Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Friday, October 2nd, 2009, 00:13 UTC

[00:13:19]

wagnerrp:

seem to have lost Flash Forward

[00:13:27]

wagnerrp:

at least that plays again tomorrow night

[00:15:07]

sphery:

lost it how?

[00:15:12]

wagnerrp:

0B file

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sphery:

hmmm

[00:15:27]

wagnerrp:

channel changed IDs it seems

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sphery:

fun

[00:15:51]

wagnerrp:

and couldnt pick it up because mythtv was looking for 9_1, when the channel is listed in the table as 9–1

[00:16:06]

sphery:

I've got 928MB of it so far (assuming it's recording now)

[00:17:17]

wagnerrp:

changing the 'channum' in the database wont take effect until a backend restart right?

[00:18:04]

jblack:

I get those 0B files sometimes.

[00:18:31]

jblack:

usually only happens if the backend has been running for a few months.

[00:18:34]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if i should set up some script to try to record from each of my digital channels late at night

[00:18:41]

wagnerrp:

and fire off an email on a problem

[00:19:06]

clever:

wagnerrp: might be better to write the backend to complain if its got 0 bytes of output after 60 seconds of recording

[00:19:08]

jblack:

You could certainly match up mon with with the backend log.

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wagnerrp:

i presume they cant cycle channels without a disruption in normal cable service, right?

[00:19:12]

clever:

and set it to start 120 seconds early

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wagnerrp:

clever: that would require me to be watching it

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clever:

then a script watching the log can catch it and email

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wagnerrp:

this is something i want to email me in the morning, so i have plenty of time to fix it

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clever:

ah

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wagnerrp:

besides, what am i supposed to do in 60 seconds

[00:20:02]

wagnerrp:

i cant rescan in that amount of time

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clever:

set it to record more early

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clever:

i have things start 5mins early

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wagnerrp:

i especially cant if there is something else already recording

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clever:

then just turn a normal tv on and watch it normaly:P

[00:21:01]

wagnerrp:

but then i STILL have to be present to notice a problem

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jblack:

I think the easiest thing to do would be to set up a mon script to watch for 0 byte files that are older than 1 minute. You'll miss the first failed show, but that can happen anyways. test-recording at 5 could suceed, and things fail at 6 anyways.

[00:21:25]

clever:

wagnerrp: you could also add rules to just record random junk at 1am

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clever:

to trigger the same code early on

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clever:

solved

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jblack:

and you can set mon up to email you, or page you, or restart myth, or if you have asterisk, to make a phone call. :)

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wagnerrp:

but then its a recording, and is cluttering up everything

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wagnerrp:

whereas a script run through the python bindings can trigger a livetv

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clever:

use a custom rule or something, to only record 2 minutes of content

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clever:

would still be better overall, if the backend can detect its own screwup's, so others can see in the logs why it failed

[00:23:20]

clever:

and so it could atleast give up and not lock the tuner on 1 channel for an hour, doing f*ck-all

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wagnerrp:

the bigger issue is that the backend doesnt cancel the recording

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wagnerrp:

so it keeps trying to record off an non-existant PID

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clever:

and nothing else can use the card

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wagnerrp:

and fires off an error several times a second to that effect

[00:28:25]

mag0o:

you guys and your email notifications – text yourself, silly, that's 'instant'

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wagnerrp:

your phone cant receive email?

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mag0o:

yeah, but its delayed

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clever:

my phone provider has a special email server, which texts

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mag0o:

and i have it set to only sync emails every 30 mins between 7am-7pm mon-fri and none on the weekend

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clever:

i basicaly email 15065555555@wirefree.informe.ca and it hits the phone

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mag0o:

so text is better for me :)

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clever:

but that server is just for aliant

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dserban:

does rogers have an sms gateway?

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wagnerrp:

well changing the ID didnt fix anything, even after a backend restart

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wagnerrp:

it still cant find the callsign

[00:33:00]

wagnerrp:

guess i need a full scan

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clever:

dserban: dont see rogers in my list

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clever:

and ive migrated all my text'ing bots to clickatell.com, though thats not free

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dserban:

grr, yeah I used to have a gateway with rogers ages ago, and they took it down.

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meshe:

dserban: i think you have to pay for it now

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J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: are you in the US?

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clever:

dserban: the gateway i use is about 6 cents a credit

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clever:

and 1 credit for texts to usa

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wagnerrp:

my phone carrier has a free gateway

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meshe:

mine used to until they got bought by greedy, money hungry Rogers

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wagnerrp:

its a good thing this problem happened now

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wagnerrp:

i can record FF later

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wagnerrp:

while fringe is only showed once

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clever:

fringe is on?

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wagnerrp:

and it seems FOX was dropped from that multiplex as well

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wagnerrp:

at 9pm

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** clever checks mythweb **

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wagnerrp:

now the HDHR tuner seemed to pick up those channels just fine... why didnt mythtv

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wagnerrp:

s/tuner/scanner/

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clever:

its set already:)

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clever:

hdhr may rescan every now and then on its own

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dserban:

clever: which gateway is that?

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clever:

it may be a black box full of magicaly self-fixing

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dserban:

and can it sms my phone? :)

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clever:

dserban: clickatell.com can sms any phone in almost any country, usualy for ~6 cents a message

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clever:

but you may need to write your own program to use the api

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wagnerrp:

mythtv found two possible channels where it should have had four

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dserban:

lol

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dserban:

wow and I have to pay for that? :)

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dserban:

lllllame.

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clever:

its meant for stuff like a company sending messages out to a various people

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clever:

you can even buy those 5 digit numbers that charge the bill when you text them:P

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clever:

which can make you money

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clever:

like those comercials where you text 12345 to get ring tones

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dserban:

I see.

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wagnerrp:

oh, you mean those companies that need to GDIAF?

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clever:

gdiaf?

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wagnerrp:

go die in a fire

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clever:

ah, lol

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clever:

yeah

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Penth:

rgrep 192.168.1.20 /etc

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clever:

basicaly, if you text that number, you get charged a monthly fee until you send 'stop' back to it

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Penth:

oops – this isn't a shell. :P Sorry

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clever:

Penth: try sudo -i, it may turn into a shell:P

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wagnerrp:

wait, you text them once, and they continue to charge you?

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah something like that

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clever:

maybe each time they reply

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wagnerrp:

thats a scam if ive ever heard one

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clever:

i dont remember the details

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clever:

they are legaly required to tell you that and how to stop it

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clever:

but they say it really fast in the last 2 seconds of the comercial :P

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wagnerrp:

yep, definately need to burn their building down

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clever:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

How is the Jay Leno Show doing? Can we reclaim those hours yet?

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mag0o:

yes J-e-f-f-A, US

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J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: which cell carrier?

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mag0o:

verizon

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clever:

$2 $+ @vtext.com

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clever:

i have a free email gateway for them in my system still

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clever:

doesnt appear to use the 1 at the start

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mag0o:

doesn't cost me a thing

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clever:

yep, this email one is totaly free

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J-e-f-f-A:

mag0o: ^^ yeah, I was gonna say to text yourself at xxxyyyzzzz@vtext.com ;-) Presuming you have unlimited texting... ;-)

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mag0o:

yeah, i made http://notes.lynchmv.com/sendTxt to play with friends that have unlimited texting and use cron jobs wisely ;)

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wagnerrp:

damned cable... what cant they leave things alone

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wagnerrp:

i lost the beginning of fringe, office isnt recording for some reason

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clever:

wagnerrp: mythweb said it was starting at 10:05

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clever:

yet it started at ~10:01

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wagnerrp:

apparently you live in a different time zone

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clever:

hour yes, minutes, no

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wagnerrp:

no, apparently the channel name changed during the rescan, so the recording rule did not match

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wagnerrp:

and i had to force a recording after the show had already started

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clever:

ah

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wagnerrp:

that part was my fault, but none of this would have happened if the cableco hadnt been dicking around with things for no good reason

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clever:

they probly do it to make your life hard:P

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clever:

so youll get the over priced tivo like box

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wagnerrp:

no they dont, these are broadcast channels

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wagnerrp:

such that these tactics would merely serve to drive users away from their service

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wagnerrp:

not get them to buy more

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clever:

id think a proper device would be more compliant to the standards

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AndrewNC_:

This is going to suck: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/busines . . . brier14.html

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AndrewNC_:

so except for "broadcast" stations, I wont be able to use my tuner card OR my tv's built in QAM tuner

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wagnerrp:

thats the general idea

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wagnerrp:

and thats what nearly everyone but comcast DTA customers have always had to deal with

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Dagmar:

You may have no functionality except that which you pay the cable company for

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dserban_:

some ... fun questions. So on mythweb, the preview png's are all ... blank, though each has different colours. (so some are beige, some are blue etc). Seems that after each recording is transcoded, the preview goes kaputzki.

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dserban_:

the other now is ... the nuv's that are created are _larger_ than the mpg's that are written from the encoder cards.

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sphery:

dserban_: there was (is?) a bug that causes only the top-left-most pixel color to be used in preview creation (making a single-color preview) and it only affects software-encoder (i.e. frame grabbers)... Weren't you planning on swapping yours out for a PVR-150?

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sphery:

dserban_: and the file size is /completely/ determined by bitrate and duration. So, if two different 30-minute shows have different sizes, they have different bitrates.

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wagnerrp:

ooh, another proto bump

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sphery:

dserban_: there was (is?) a bug that caused the software encoders to use double the specified bitrate, so even if you set up your software encoder to use, say, 3000kbps, it could be higher bitrate than the 4500kbps MPEG-2 encoder cards (because it's actually using 6000kbps)

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wagnerrp:

of course transcoding from 4.5mbps to 3mbps is largely futile

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wagnerrp:

especially if youre going from mpeg2 (widely usable) to nuv (nowhere usable)

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sphery:

right... I think he has one or more framegrabbers that he inadvertently forgot to throw away

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sphery:

so he's not transcoding them, but creating (garbage :) recordings

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sphery:

dserban_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/365971#365971 (and linkes from the post under it). I'm thinking both issues are fixed in trunk and "left to rot" in 0.21-fixes.

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sphery:

so, which is right: This is a real statement (with a funny parenthetical :) ) having proper punctuation.

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sphery:

or: This is a real statement (with a funny parenthetical :) having proper punctuation.

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sphery:

i.e. can a smile be dual-purposed as a paren?

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dserban_:

sphery, sorry I went to go suck on a fag :s...

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dserban_:

sphery, no I have two PVR 150's already.

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wagnerrp:

that reference to smoking could be taking in such the wrong way

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dserban_:

sphery, well the transcoder is set to autodetect. every single show is say... 20% larger after going to nuv.

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wagnerrp:

you should not be converting PVR recordings to nuvs

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dserban_:

wagnerrp, indoobidably, intentional and quite... anti politically correct.

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wagnerrp:

now, say all that again, using only synonyms starting with the letter 'V'

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dserban_:

vicious voluptuous vagitarians vidicated by vigilates

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dserban_:

CRAP! s/vigilates/vigilantes/

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wagnerrp:

are they vigilant vigilantes?

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dserban_:

voracious vigilantes

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dserban_:

anyway, so I shouldn't run transcode jobs after recordings?

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sphery:

with PVR-x50, no

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sphery:

not worth the space savings

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dserban_:

mmkay, disable it in m-s?

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sphery:

especially with $70 750GB HDD or $90 1TB HDD or $100 1.5TB HDD or ...

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[R]:

i got my 1tb for 70

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dserban_:

I'm waiting for the prices of 2tb's to drop. Planning on 3. $90 for a 1tb? oooh where?

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dserban_:

WTS!

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sphery:

I'd recommend disabling it in your recording rules

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dserban_:

^^ What the (four-letter word, synonym for scat)

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[R]:

http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.j . . . p;ps=homain1

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sphery:

by default it's not checked when you create them (though there may be a setting that specifies initial state in new rules) so by disabling there, you /could/ set up one to transcode if you so desire

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wagnerrp:

poop?

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dserban_:

sphery, will do, there's no reason though otherwise? I'm only recording with two pvr 150's so I should never move anything to nuv?

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sphery:

I have only once to test whether it worked.

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sphery:

That was the only reason I've found in 5 1/2 years of use :)

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dserban_:

I'm trying for a new trend wagnerrp, the f word is so overused. And with that chick saying it on SNL and almost losing her job. I'm trying to turn over a new leaf.

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dserban_:

I've been berated for flying the f word at people in the boardroom.

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dserban_:

sphery, hah cool, well this noob feeling is still pawing at me. Appreciate all the friendly help, oh and Dagmar's too :)

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dserban_:

brb

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wagnerrp:

almost lost her job for it being on SNL?

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wagnerrp:

when did this happen?

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sphery:

I didn't record that episode of SNL

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: MKV chapter support would be sweet!

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, indeed :)

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elmojo:

thanks for raising the issue

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sphery:

dserban_: if you like 1TB for $90, would you like 2TB for $180? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148413

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, thanks for raising the issue!

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sphery:

There was just a guy in here last night asking about it, too.

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elmojo:

now if I could just get h264 timestamp reordering finished!

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RyeBrye:

5900 rpm on a drive that big feels wrong to me.

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sphery:

for Myth it's not a bad thing

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: why?

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sphery:

plus nice and low power

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wagnerrp:

5900rpm on a drive that big means youre still pumping out well in excess of 100MB/s

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sphery:

I figured more people would complain about it's Seagate-ness

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sphery:

newegg has really been slacking on the good deals, lately

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Lexridge:

for everyone that disconnected, here was the question: I have to crank my envy24control mixer almost to max for good volume. Yet, when I run VLC, I have to turn it's volume down to practically zero cause it's too loud. what gives? any ideas how to correct this?

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wagnerrp:

what are you talking about?

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sphery:

are you using software amplification in VLC?

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Lexridge:

oh, first part of the question. Sorry, the netsplit caused stuff to get lost

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wagnerrp:

the people who got disconnected dont need to hear that again

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Lexridge:

My audio from mythfrontend is very low. The built in volume controls does nothing

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Lexridge:

but everything else is blasting!!!!

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sphery:

but playing the same recording in VLC, it's loud?

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Lexridge:

oh yea!

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J-e-f-f-A:

Lexridge: sounds like Myth is outputting 5.1 audio through your sound card's output, but you've only got sterio speakers hooked up...

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Lexridge:

I have a full 5.1 system

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wagnerrp:

216 people in the channel, only 50 or so went to your side of the switch

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Lexridge:

and the 5.1 is working great

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wagnerrp:

s/switch/split/

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** J-e-f-f-A got hit by the split this time... **

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Lexridge:

sorry wagnerrp. It just seemed like a big list. lol

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sphery:

I only saw the question once

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wagnerrp:

usually big list means youre on the bad side of the split

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Lexridge:

perhaps I was

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wagnerrp:

anyway... youre using analog to connect to your receiver?

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Lexridge:

Yes'

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Lexridge:

not a receiver, but a 6 channel amp

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Lexridge:

same thing really

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wagnerrp:

just means less inputs

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Lexridge:

yea, I awaiting a mackie D8B to fix that problem

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sphery:

I'm still guessing either a) VLC is using software volume control/gain control/normalization or b) VLC is playing a different audio stream in the recording (i.e. playing the 2-channel stream)

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sphery:

Try hitting + in Myth to switch audio channels

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Lexridge:

okay

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wagnerrp:

i know the volume in VLC goes to 200%, so it does have some form of software preamp

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Lexridge:

it only gives me one choice.....English 5.1

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Lexridge:

I was wondering about that. I have it limited to 30%

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

Woot's touch screen computer intrigues me

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sphery:

I just don't get touch screens

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wagnerrp:

as a wall mount system or something?

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kormoc:

Yeah, for my bedroom

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sphery:

I like my screen to be clean, free of fingerprints/grease/food/dust/scratches/...

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Lexridge:

yea, nothing worse than a glob of food on ones monitor!

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wagnerrp:

... it uses the wet-wipe on its skin...

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kormoc:

sphery: get a protector and it's hard to actually screw up

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sphery:

not an ION?

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wagnerrp:

thats actually a great price for a touchscreen that large, much less one with a computer attached

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sphery:

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sphery:

s/computer/netbook/

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iamlindoro:

once that other thing is available...

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wagnerrp:

of course youre not going to be doing much HDPVR playback with that thing

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wagnerrp:

other thing?

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kormoc:

yeah, that's the sad thing

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wagnerrp:

and its only WXGA

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, http://www.thepignextdoor.com/bacon/traditional.html

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wagnerrp:

mmm... bacon greasy touch screen

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sphery:

exactly my point!

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kormoc:

Mmm... and ouch on the costs...

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sphery:

iamlindoro: he won't tell you which one he wants, so you'll just have to surprise him with your brib^H^H^H^Hpresent

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wagnerrp:

ok... now how to trigger livetv from the bindings...

[03:27:43]

** iamlindoro figures kormoc already spends $13 or so on bacon a month ;) **

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sphery:

just get him the 2 packages for 12 months--can't go wrong with that one

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kormoc:

heh

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wagnerrp:

looks like ive got some more functions to add

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sphery:

Shipping charges of $75 to $85 (6 months) or $150 to $170 (12 months) added directly to shopping cart

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: it's the double the price (practically) for the shipping that bugs me

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sphery:

wow!

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kormoc:

so $230 for the mean, $170 for shipping

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kormoc:

*meat

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Lexridge:

btw, how you guys doing? I havent been on here in a few months.

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iamlindoro:

Think it's overnighted

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sphery:

which makes it $170 of meanness for the shipping

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kormoc:

ahh, that'd make it easier to understand, but still... it's steep

[03:28:55]

sphery:

From pig to your door overnight

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kormoc:

guess it's not cured bacon ;)

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kormoc:

IT HAS DA PIGGY FLU!

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iamlindoro:

but what a way to go

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sphery:

You call that cured bacon? I'd hate to see the sick bacon!

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kormoc:

True, I'd go happy

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kormoc:

into the warm embrace of the sky-oinker

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sphery:

kormoc should go to one of those swine flu parties with the little kids so he can get immunity and enjoy his bacon

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sphery:

(that's not a recommendation--if anyone chooses to go to a swine flu party, don't say I told you to :)

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kormoc:

but yeah, in the end, the best case is $33 per pound

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iamlindoro:

trying to decide if FlashForward is going to be worth the time

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kormoc:

That bacon better clean the stove up after I'm done eating it!

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, clean up the... don't you KNOW all the nice things you can do with the grease and cracklins?

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sphery:

in a sense, it is--by providing you the energy to do it...

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: sure, but I don't scoop up the grease from the top of the stove :P

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iamlindoro:

besides, here's what I learned from my friend Alton Brown-- bake your bacon on a cooling rack over a cookie sheet

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kormoc:

sphery: after I eat a pound of bacon, I'm not moving for the next 8 hours

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iamlindoro:

tastes soooooooo much better

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

and you get no spatter and can use all the delicious grease

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kormoc:

Heh, I'm such a cast iron skillet guy

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kormoc:

It flavors the skillet as it cooks!

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sphery:

cast iron skillet on an angle over a baking sheet

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iamlindoro:

so FlashForward is written by David Goyer... who wrote The Dark Knight... I really want to see that level of quality in this

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iamlindoro:

but it's starting slow

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sphery:

(one of the big rectangular ones)

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sphery:

reviews kind of said it was "ok and has potential, but probably won't be great"

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iamlindoro:

yeah, hope it surpasses that, but worry that it won't

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sphery:

nice, I got an "error parsing memcached response" at a tv site I won't mention because it's one that steals content, not thetvdb.com

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** kormoc blinks **

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iamlindoro:

ragetv?

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kormoc:

that's... hard to do

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sphery:

tv.com

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sphery:

it was transiet--reload and all wsa well

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sphery:

transient

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J-e-f-f-A:

and 'was' ? ;-)

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sphery:

heh, that too

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orificium_:

iamlindoro: Seth MacFarlene is in it. It's gotta be good :)

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** orificium_ was able to resolve some of his video/audio stuttering adjusting cpu frequency stepping. Woo! **

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orificium_:

MiroBridge was easy to get going. Pretty col

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orificium_:

*cool

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iamlindoro:

MiroBridge rocks

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iamlindoro:

There's a *lot* of crap video programming out there-- but there is some sweet stuff

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iamlindoro:

in particular, all the revision3 shows, The Totally Rad Show, TEDTalks, and a bunch of nature and space stuff

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orificium_:

Yeah, I adding Hak5 to test.

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orificium_:

*added

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iamlindoro:

the Miro HD "guide" is a great place to find quality stuff in it-- I'm still always tickled to see cool shows pop in a few times a day

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orificium_:

Now how about adding torrent support? :)

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iamlindoro:

not acceptable

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iamlindoro:

and not allowed conversation for this channel, either

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iamlindoro:

but as mirobridge will likely be distributed with myth, it's reasonable to expect that it will never allow importing torrents, for the record

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orificium_:

Someone suggested MiroBridge the oter day as an option for it. Then I saw the wiki

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iamlindoro:

Someone suggested incorrectly-- Mirobridge does not and never will import torrented stuff

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RDV_Linux:

orificium_: Enjoy MB for what it gives you now. iamlindoro has explained the limitations well.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: new J.J. show: http://www.tv.com/story/18544.html?ref_story_ . . . content;main

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iamlindoro:

sphery, yeah, read that earlier

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iamlindoro:

sounds fun

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sphery:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

probably be a year or two yet, though

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sphery:

just hope it's not "Alias: The Honeymoon's Over"

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dserban_:

oh sorry guys, it was dinner time. Some chick on snl let out the f-bomb last weekend and "nbc execs were having meetings about the incident".

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dserban_:

I don't remember her name.

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iamlindoro:

If they'd just pretend the last season of alias never happened and finish it properly, that'd be fine too

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dserban_:

Sorry to disappoint, I'm canuckian.

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sphery:

yeah, true

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sphery:

good (p)review of Flash Forward, BTW: http://www.areyouscreening.com/2009/09/22/fla . . . l-tv-preview

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iamlindoro:

Jenny Slate-- she's brand new

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iamlindoro:

it was her first show, heh

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dserban_:

heh Yeah. Good for her though. Shock factor always gets your career going.

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dserban_:

I've never watched alias.

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sphery:

and headlines in all the major newspapers/Internet news sites/news shows/...

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dserban_:

Ok just for "I'm to lazy to find out myself" sakes. Can you tell me where the "Global transcode after recording" settings are? frontend?

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dserban_:

sphery, very true

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dserban_:

I guess I'll have to find out for myself. Heh.

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sphery:

There's "Run transcoder: This is the default value used for the Auto-Transcode setting when a new scheduled recording is created." in mythfrontend settings under General Settings

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sphery:

but that only affects new recording rules

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sphery:

Other than that, you can only disable the jobs on the host

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sphery:

so it seems that disabling the transcoding on all your rules is the way to disable it

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dserban_:

yep, I'm planning on using mythweb to do that. (Change the current recording rules), just wanted to make sure I turn it off for all future rules.

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sphery:

ah, then that's your setting

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dserban_:

Is there a guide for the wiki (ie, rules/guidelines) for articles? I've found a bunch of .. junk.

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iamlindoro:

The articles are largely a reflection of the people who wrote them

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iamlindoro:

It's all the few of us who write worthwhile stuff can do to protect the few articles that matter to us

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dserban_:

Heh, I'd guess that, but I'd hate to put in corrections to formatting/spelling and structure by having someone blow it away because it doesn't meet "guidelines". The fear of your work being blown away isn't why I haven't written a new mythtv from scratch ;).

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dserban_:

F-bomb! s/isn't/is/

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iamlindoro:

spelling and formatting are generally just fine IMO

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iamlindoro:

as long as they get better and not worse :)

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sphery:

Just use the 1700 line perl remake of Myth

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dserban_:

lol!

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dserban_:

I bet it rocks.

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dserban_:

I was thinking of using bash scripting instead, with the advent of dash, there can't be nuttin' betta.

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sphery:

dserban_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428

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sphery:

dash: It's like bash, but it complains more.

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iamlindoro:

KISS to you Myth devs, like sphery

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

No offense, but I'd like to hear what an actual dev thinks

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iamlindoro:

;)

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dserban_:

wow sphery you weren't kidding?

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sphery:

I vow to make reading that post a mandatory requirement for any new Myth users

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sphery:

well, I wasn't kidding about the claim that it's been done

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sphery:

Was kidding about it being a suitable replacement

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dserban_:

I've just completed my soap-box derby equivalent of a Lamborghini. <-- Golden.

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sphery:

dserban_: for truly classic quotes: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187442#187442

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sphery:

(same guy, same thread, talking about why his approach is so much more efficient)

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sphery:

MythTV ... just duplicates the functionality of a browser.

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dserban_:

lol!!!!!

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dserban_:

Man something like that hasn't made me laugh like that in a long time!

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dserban_:

Wow. If he wants to be efficient, why isn't it coded in 12 lines of asm?

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sphery:

really

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wagnerrp:

because it would probably be tens of thousands of lines of ASM

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sphery:

then he'd have so much tigher control over it

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wagnerrp:

hes not going for efficiency, merely the fewest number of lines

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sphery:

besides, isn't Perl itself like 2M lines of code?

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RyeBrye:

The funniest thing about that is the guy believes it

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wagnerrp:

doesnt myth have somewhere around 2–3M lines of code?

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sphery:

wow... According to ohloh, it is right about 2M LOC: http://www.ohloh.net/p/perl/analyses/latest

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wagnerrp:

i thought someone did a code survey somewhere

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RyeBrye:

If that post were rewritten today, he'd have written it in 1600 lines of Ruby

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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sphery:

Myth is http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/analyses/latest

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, but only half of those are included in any given build given the crapton of #ifdef 's ;)

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sphery:

around about 1M

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye, Well I should hope so, kormoc already rewrote MythWeb in three lines of python

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wagnerrp:

wow, over a million lines of perl

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wagnerrp:

that cant be right can it?

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wagnerrp:

i mean i thought perl consisted of stuff in mythweb, plus a handful of scripts in contrib, mythvideo, and elsewhere

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kormoc:

what?

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sphery:

and kormoc also faked a Ruby-on-Rails rewrite with one line: <?php echo "Application Error (Rails)" ?>

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kormoc:

I see 19,886 lines of perl

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dserban_:

hah! Acme::Bleach. PWNT!

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wagnerrp:

two million lines, 56% in perl

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sphery:

wagnerrp: 20k lines of Perl in Myth

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sphery:

the first link I gave was the Perl language source

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: that's not the stats' I'm looking at

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wagnerrp:

oh, thats total tracked by ohloh

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sphery:

that's analysis of the Perl source

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wagnerrp:

right, clicked on the wrong link

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sphery:

(I had guessed it at 2M LOC and wondered how close I was)

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sphery:

I like how Perl has -13,019 LOC in DOS batch scripts

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sphery:

I've alway seen DOS as a negative, myself

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wagnerrp:

thats a crapton of XML

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wagnerrp:

is that mainly themes?

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dserban_:

hah unbelievable. That guy's cracked out.

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

dserban_: yeah, he really thought his was was the right way

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sphery:

wagnerrp: maybe now with the new MythUI simplification those XML lines will decrease

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sphery:

though if we don't throw away all the legacy themes, it will just increase when new ones are added

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dserban_:

wtf..

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dserban_:

Heh, I hit ctrl-w instead of Shift-w.

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wagnerrp:

seems 'root' has made 68 commits

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kormoc:

OH MY LORD

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kormoc:

That guy dumped his webbased one for myth!

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sphery:

what? Mr 1731 lines of perl is back?

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sphery:

new address if so

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kormoc:

nope

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kormoc:

oh crap

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kormoc:

wrong one I cliked on

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sphery:

oh

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kormoc:

I was so happy for a minute...

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sphery:

that would have been classic vindication

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iamlindoro:

i just still want to see the code

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sphery:

that would be fun

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RyeBrye:

I could rewrite myth in about 1/20th the number of lines if I just removed a shitload of whitespace

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sphery:

I have to say that I have never in my entire life been so anxious for a Windows version release as I am for the Windows 7 release.

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kormoc:

and if you remove all the new lines, you'd be down to a few thousand lines!

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kormoc:

and if you merge all the files into a single one...

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RyeBrye:

You do need newlines after macros, dont' you?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: thats not true, you still have 12k lines of python code

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kormoc:

heh

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kormoc:

yeah, both points are valid

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sphery:

Of course, that's only because AMD decided to release their new 45W TDP dual and quad cores along with some triple cores on that date

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RyeBrye:

Ah, true. That's the limit... blasted python

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, I was going to say – what's this "windows'" you speak of?

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sphery:

some thing that gets a bunch of people to the store to buy AMD CPU's, it seems

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wagnerrp:

what day?

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sphery:

Oct 22

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wagnerrp:

does SPAWN_LIVETV get done on the master backend? or the one the tuner is on?

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sphery:

basically, triple core X3's (in 45W and up) and 45W dual and quad cores

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dserban_:

sphery, you and dustybin both :)

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sphery:

is he looking forward to the procs or the OS?

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kormoc:

more to troll

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dserban_:

wow I'm lost, 3 windows of iceweasel, 40+ tabs in each, all have something to do with mythtv. I forgot what I was looking for :(

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wagnerrp:

iceweasel?

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dserban_:

err firefox for non-debian people

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wagnerrp:

ah, debian firefox

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wagnerrp:

you people with your unofficial binaries

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sphery:

Firefox rebranded by Debian so they didn't have to agree to Firefox's atrocious name-trademark rules

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sphery:

I use Minefield for the same reason

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dserban_:

what's minefield?

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foxbuntu:

Hey all, just wondering if anyone has advice on the HDHR + multirec, my issue seems to be since starting to use multirec all my QAM HD recordings are scattered with pixelized artifacts

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sphery:

Firefox compiled without agreeing to the terms of the naming license

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wagnerrp:

the window area of minesweeper

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dserban_:

ahh

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dserban_:

hah! hehe

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sphery:

technically, minefield is the name of the branch used for development

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sphery:

it then becomes things like Deer Park and Bon Echo and ... on release

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sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Firefox#Trademark_and_logo is just plain annoying

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I think my favorite part of the whole perl frontend thread is Captain M's response

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sphery:

his first reply?

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sphery:

or is there another

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kormoc:

He's still replying! ;)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, sphery, the analogies response is the one I mean

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** kormoc needs to reverse his channels **

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sphery:

reading it again

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kormoc:

or rather, I need to reorder them so HD channels are first

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sphery:

ah, yeah, that's the one dserban_ was quoting as "Golden"

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sphery:

that is a good response

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sphery:

followed by, "They are not extras, you fool."

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Captain_Murdoch:

careful kormoc, I hear all things... :) and I say them too... :)

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, At least it was complimentary :)

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iamlindoro:

You should see the things people say about me when they *know* I'm reading :)

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sphery:

actually, when you're on /ignore, they might not know you're around/reading

[04:44:26]

iamlindoro:

point taken

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kormoc:

yeah

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kormoc:

one sided conversations make me wonder if you're all on drugs until I remember my ignore list...

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kormoc:

#Mythtv-users minus clever/dustybin is as crazy as Garfield without Garfield

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iamlindoro:

ha

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sphery:

http://garfieldminusgarfield.net/

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clever:

i wasnt even talking :P

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, if I commit some patches to speed up the loading of artwork in Watch Recordings, do you have time to recompile and take a quick look at that and MV on your system to see if there are any regressions?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Yes, Absolutely

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok. getting ready to make 3–4 commits with various pieces.

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iamlindoro:

OK, just give me the "go"

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iamlindoro:

assume you'll want a cleared cache?

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, but curious about behavior right after clearing as well as after the cache has been repopulated.

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iamlindoro:

ok, no problem

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gnarface:

hey people just a quick dumb question here

[05:21:24]

flexy:

there is no reason to ccache -C when just getting trunk from svn and updating it every now and then?

[05:22:06]

clever:

if everything is functioning properly, you should never need make clean or ccache -C

[05:22:09]

flexy:

I did ccache -C for some stupid reason and now the compiling takes ages... :I

[05:22:17]

flexy:

crap

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gnarface:

i was wondering: can a hauppage pvr-250 play back in realtime like an old analog turbotv bttv bt848 frame grabber? the encoded mpeg2 stream is nice but there is too much delay on it for playing video games...

[05:22:34]

clever:

but some of the makefiles are broken and dont rebuild things, so make clean is used alot

[05:22:35]

kormoc:

no, it can't

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gnarface:

damn :(

[05:22:43]

kormoc:

language...

[05:22:48]

gnarface:

drat?

[05:23:06]

gnarface:

sorry then is there a recommended new one?

[05:23:20]

iamlindoro:

No newer card will allow game playing

[05:23:34]

iamlindoro:

at least, never in myth

[05:24:12]

gnarface:

so... do i have any other options?

[05:24:27]

kormoc:

use another input on the tv?

[05:24:31]

flexy:

clever: right. it's been 50mins for just mythtv at a amd64 x2 6400+

[05:25:07]

gnarface:

kormoc: its uh, my computer. :(

[05:25:48]

flexy:

I wisely decided to clear the ccache before just quickly updating...

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, done committing?

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Captain_Murdoch:

sorry, yep.

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gnarface:

kormoc: how about not in mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

OK :)

[05:28:59]

flexy:

how long a first compile should take, give or take 50%? some example would be nice...

[05:29:15]

iamlindoro:

flexy, Depends massively on hardware

[05:29:22]

iamlindoro:

and make and configure options

[05:30:33]

flexy:

hmmm.

[05:30:58]

sphery:

gnarface: get an appropriate cable set for your gaming console

[05:31:15]

sphery:

(i.e. VGA/DVI/HDMI/...--whatever your computer monitor wants)

[05:31:30]

flexy:

ball park? 1h? 5h? amd64 x2 6400+, configure --disable-mythflix --disable-mythgame --disable-mythbrowser --disable-mythnews --disable-mythphone --disable-mythweather --disable-mythzoneminder --disable-mythmovies --compile-type=debug

[05:31:31]

sphery:

and, if necessary, a video switch

[05:31:57]

gnarface:

sphery: you can do that? output a composite signal from a gamecube directly to a computer monitor?

[05:32:02]

iamlindoro:

flexy, assuming you're just running one thread of make, should be well under an hour

[05:32:13]

flexy:

make -j3

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wagnerrp:

gnarface: sure, if your monitor supports composite inputs

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flexy:

doh. I changed a cpu 3–4 days ago. from 5200+ to 6400+... I'm beginning to seriously question if the faster is really faster...

[05:33:30]

sphery:

gnarface: http://www.nintendoworldreport.com/reviewArt.cfm?artid=4150 + http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&sour . . . amp;resnum=1

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gnarface:

a novel notion i had not considered

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gnarface:

thanks

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sphery:

not that I'm recommending any of those

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gnarface:

but that doesn't allow me to play it in a window

[05:34:07]

sphery:

I never had a gamecube, so...

[05:34:17]

sphery:

nope

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sphery:

no window

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gnarface:

i was kinda hoping i'd be able to play it in a window like i could with tvtime and my old bt848 capture card but it seems like all these new cards just do mpeg2, no realtime option at all

[05:34:43]

gnarface:

not that the mpeg2 is bad for tv watching or anything. its only like a 2 second delay

[05:34:52]

gnarface:

its just... impossible to play smash bros. liek that

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wagnerrp:

1 second, plus whatever delay mythtv adds

[05:35:01]

sphery:

yeah, not meant for it

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sphery:

nor is myth meant for it

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wagnerrp:

however you should have had noticeable delay on any framegrabber cards too

[05:35:18]

sphery:

(so even with a framegrabber, you'd not be able to do it in Myth...

[05:35:34]

sphery:

again... too slow--wagnerrp is a fast typist)

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gnarface:

sorry you can hate me for this but my question was about hardware not software. i apologize

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wagnerrp:

two bumps in one day...

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gnarface:

i had this old turbotv bt848 card that i swear had no noticable delay when playing back to a simple line doubler app like tvtime or xawtv

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gnarface:

it was suitable for gaming

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gnarface:

if you didn't have a normal tv around

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clever:

frame grabbers work like that

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clever:

it just blindly pumps RAW video DIRECTLY into the video card ram

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gnarface:

how come nobody makes them anymore?

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clever:

which has high bandwidth

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wagnerrp:

nearly all digital tuners come with an analog framegrabber

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clever:

to actualy record, you need to compress that in the cpu, which means HIGH CPU USAGE

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gnarface:

yea i noticed my kt133 board hated it...

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wagnerrp:

they call them 'hybrid tuners'

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clever:

the pvr150 has onboard mpeg encoders

[05:38:09]

clever:

but there is a delay within the encoderr

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wagnerrp:

theres only a handful of card that have mpeg encoders

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gnarface:

wagnerrp: got a recommended one? i've got a pvr250 but i guess thats encode only then?

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clever:

and livetv is writen to wait several seconds behind so it doesnt run out of video

[05:38:33]

wagnerrp:

the PVR line, and the higher end of the HVR line

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wagnerrp:

gnarface: you *can* access the framegrabber on the 250 directly

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wagnerrp:

bypassing the mpeg encoder

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wagnerrp:

one of the other (not video0) dev nodes

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gnarface:

wagnerrp: really??? i thought someone just said that was a negative? how do i do it?

[05:39:18]

gnarface:

oh

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wagnerrp:

one is the framegrabber, the other is VBI data

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gnarface:

so like just keep trying /dev/videoX until i find the one that is realtime?

[05:39:52]

wagnerrp:

dmesg should tell you which is which

[05:39:55]

wagnerrp:

i dont recall off hand

[05:39:58]

gnarface:

killer

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gnarface:

thank you very much

[05:40:10]

gnarface:

oh hey

[05:40:16]

gnarface:

that's in the main kernel driver version right?

[05:40:21]

gnarface:

or do i have to compile a more recent one?

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gnarface:

i'm running debian's 2.6.30–1 right now

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wagnerrp:

as of 2.6.24 or something, ivtv has been completely inside the kernel

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gnarface:

awesome

[05:40:50]

wagnerrp:

the only userland anything is the tuning tools

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wagnerrp:

perl scripts and such

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wagnerrp:

i should considering splitting up the python bindings

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wagnerrp:

MythTV.py is starting to get a bit ungainly

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, not sure if you're following the other channel, but I reverted part of that for a little while.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Yeah, I'm following

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iamlindoro:

I know when to keep myself out of it :)

[05:51:40]

wagnerrp:

did anyone not get r22169 from the mythtv ML?

[05:51:41]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, FWIW the one thing I noticed/am noticing is that the .5 second delay in PBB also affects items that are already cached

[05:51:58]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Though that may be by design, dunno if you want the delay in that case

[05:52:04]

Captain_Murdoch:

and actually even without the threading, the UI is not blocked anymore because of my delayed loading in PBB.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Overall, though, this is really slick :)

[05:52:42]

Captain_Murdoch:

yes, the delay is so that we don't spend all our time loading images when the user is scrolling quickly.

[05:53:20]

Captain_Murdoch:

could reduce the .5 to .3 or something possibly.

[05:53:22]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Also getting some segfaults-- worth a BT anyway?

[05:53:28]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah.

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iamlindoro:

ok, hang on

[05:53:58]

Captain_Murdoch:

I didn't have any in hours of playing with it once I fixed the QPixmap stuff.

[05:54:33]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, What painter are you using?

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Captain_Murdoch:

Qt.

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I'm seeing them fairly reliably in LibGL (glDeleteTextures)

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Captain_Murdoch:

inside Xvnc

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iamlindoro:

bang on, bt coming

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iamlindoro:

er hang on

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, thanks.

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Captain_Murdoch:

after that, can you update again, recompile libmythui and verify they are gone since I reverted the background stuff.

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wagnerrp:

theres no variation on 'get_next_free_recorder' that lets you specify the sourceid is there?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1588975

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, forgive the predictably huge number of threads at the top

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wagnerrp:

or do i just cycle through them until i find one i like?

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: finally got the h264 timestamp handling fixed

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, sweet, big job?

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elmojo:

you interested in testing the patch when it's ready?

[05:58:13]

elmojo:

not too big

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iamlindoro:

elmojo, earliest I could probably get at it would be tomorrow night

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elmojo:

k, I've got to clean it up a bit

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elmojo:

but it's working awesome now

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elmojo:

can skip around and the timestamps are now correct

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elmojo:

I'll have to get janneg to review it

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dserban_:

Would any of the hardware that's normally in a myth box cause the clock to go nuts? I'm gaining on average 440 seconds a day.

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: works with VDPAU H264 decoding too

[06:02:17]

wagnerrp:

poor grade power supply, wide temperature swings, poor grade RTC

[06:02:49]

wagnerrp:

nothing else hardware wise would do much, unless it induced voltage instability

[06:04:20]

sphery:

broken clock skew settings

[06:04:33]

wagnerrp:

is there any reason youre not running NTP?

[06:04:49]

wagnerrp:

NTP should correct any clock variance

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dserban_:

Odd, I've never had this board do things like that. Maybe because it's been transcoding for a week :). I've changed the jobs to take away the transcoding, I'll see if the temps stay lower. I think the powersupply's ok, 500W pcp&c server grade otherwise it's prolly the rtc.

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wagnerrp:

so you dont have these 7 minute swings

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, have you updated and recompiled yet? if not, can you try something as a quick test?

[06:05:27]

wagnerrp:

dserban_: its not low/high temps

[06:05:31]

wagnerrp:

its unstable temps

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dserban_:

ntp is run by cron daily, it adjusts on average by 440 secs every day

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Just finishing up now

[06:05:54]

wagnerrp:

what? what? what?

[06:05:58]

Captain_Murdoch:

ok, nevermind. I can test opengl on my workstation up stairs.

[06:06:04]

dserban_:

wagnerrp, ok

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I'm practically there, I'm sorry

[06:06:13]

wagnerrp:

you dont run ntp by cron daily

[06:06:13]

wagnerrp:

you just run ntp

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sphery:

dserban_: ntp -gq is not running ntp

[06:06:13]

dserban_:

sphery, clock skew? Where's that set?

[06:06:16]

wagnerrp:

ntpd rather

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wagnerrp:

clock skew is something ntpd does

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Captain_Murdoch:

no problem. easier to debug locally anyway if it's reproduceable.

[06:06:30]

wagnerrp:

rather than abruptly change the clock

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dserban_:

ntpdate pool.ntp.org is though isn't it?

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wagnerrp:

no, that is ONLY supposed to be run on boot

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dserban_:

oh wts?

[06:07:03]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, If I had to wildly guess, I'd say the GL painter is trying to remove an image from the cache that is still in the midst of loading

[06:07:04]

wagnerrp:

after when you use ntpd to slew the clock into place slowly

[06:07:09]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, so the revert ought to have fixed it

[06:07:25]

wagnerrp:

abrupt changes in clock tend to cause widespread breakage on linux systems

[06:07:41]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Yes, revert fixed it

[06:07:45]

Captain_Murdoch:

what were you doing when it happened? just browsing around

[06:07:47]

wagnerrp:

so ntpd changes the clockrate, slewing it to the correct time

[06:07:55]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, scrolling downward through my list, yeah

[06:08:06]

Captain_Murdoch:

ok. thanks.

[06:08:08]

iamlindoro:

np

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wagnerrp:

so you usually run ntpdate at boot, to set the initial correct clock (before anything that would be broken by an abrupt change has a chance to boot up)

[06:08:32]

iamlindoro:

MythOpenGLPainter::RemoveImageFromCache (this=0xa98ca0, im=0x1f7f780) at mythpainter_ogl.cpp:162 is the last call from myth

[06:08:37]

dserban_:

wagnerrp, ok, it's never been off on others by huge amounts like that, so I've never super delved into it

[06:09:44]

wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: can you think of any way to find the sourceid attached to a recorder through the backend proto?

[06:10:55]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, by recorder do you mean 'card' or cardid?

[06:11:02]

Captain_Murdoch:

ie. /dev/tuner0 or cardid 5

[06:11:12]

wagnerrp:

or is recorder not synonymous with cardinput?

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Captain_Murdoch:

each cardid has a TVRec

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Captain_Murdoch:

not each input

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wagnerrp:

QUERY_RECORDER, GET_FREE_RECORDER, and the like

[06:11:48]

wagnerrp:

ah, ok

[06:11:52]

wagnerrp:

misunderstanding on my part

[06:12:30]

Captain_Murdoch:

I think they use cardid, so you could find that out by using the same query that mythbackend's --printsched uses to get the list of recordings from teh master scheduler.

[06:12:44]

Captain_Murdoch:

I think it has sourceid and cardid for each recording scheduled.

[06:12:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

no way to get the list that I know of if nothing is scheduled though.

[06:13:13]

clever:

mythbackend --printsched -v network,socket

[06:13:35]

wagnerrp:

so i just have to spawn a livetv chain on a channel, and it will pick the first capable tuner?

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wagnerrp:

nevermind, ill figure it out

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** Captain_Murdoch 's mind is on thread pools. **

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wagnerrp:

yeah, dont mind me, just going to read through how cmyth does it

[06:17:02]

clever:

would be interestign to see how the frontend renders if every image was thrown into a thread poll

[06:17:24]

clever:

on a slow cpu, it may render the ui 1 piece at a time, yet still be fully (and blindly) responsive

[06:18:02]

wagnerrp:

now thats some great mid-90's thinking right there

[06:18:15]

wagnerrp:

(see BeOS)

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clever:

the loading of images wont block the main thread and make it laggy

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wagnerrp:

oooh, seem to have managed to crash my backend

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sphery:

dserban_: cat /var/lib/hwclock/adjtime --my guess is the first number is very large

[06:24:40]

dserban_:

hmm no such file

[06:24:44]

dserban_:

i'll run a find

[06:25:02]

sphery:

the old place for it was /etc/adjtime

[06:25:16]

sphery:

but if you don't have it, something else is probably managing your clock drift

[06:26:07]

dserban_:

yeah first number is 189.(bunch of decimal places)

[06:26:19]

sphery:

is it at /etc/adjtime?

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dserban_:

yep

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sphery:

that says that your clock has a 189s daily drift

[06:26:54]

clever:

ouch

[06:26:57]

dserban_:

yech

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sphery:

mine is 1.4s

[06:27:07]

clever:

0.14 on my main box

[06:27:16]

sphery:

though it's likely bogus--and the reason that you're getting a 440s drift each day

[06:27:22]

clever:

0.00000000000 on the gentoo :S

[06:27:32]

clever:

everything else is sharing /etc so it would be screwed up

[06:27:36]

sphery:

you should likely "reset" that file (i.e. rm it) and use ntpd

[06:28:06]

sphery:

gentoo is using /etc/adjtime, too?

[06:28:11]

clever:

the file exists

[06:28:11]

sphery:

is no one actually following the FHS?

[06:28:24]

clever:

let me check redhat 9

[06:28:25]

sphery:

it's supposed to be /var/lib/hwclock/adjtime

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clever:

0.000019 1222422824 0.000000

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sphery:

makes me wonder if I should have checked /usr/lib/zoneinfo for the old place for the zoneinfo db

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clever:

even the redhat uses the 'wrong' place, and its somehow more acurate then the p4

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clever:

dang, redhat doesnt have ntp running

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wagnerrp:

2:30AM, and someone is screwing around with a truck large enough to have a reverse alarm

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clever:

acording to ntpq -pn, my clocks are off by -5.033 -0.975 -35.917 0.490 and 0.082 ms

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh, I just responded to you comment with "nice", but in a terminal running bash instead of my IRC client

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sphery:

it worked--my terminal's at nice 0, in case you were wondering

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clever:

sphery: reminds me of when somebody answered me in a terminal with 'yes'

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sphery:

heh

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wagnerrp:

thats fun, fills it with 'y's

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clever:

i was ssh'd and screen'd in so we could share the terminal

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sphery:

I need a heh command

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clever:

and he didnt use echo for replying

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dserban_:

hokay, ntpd running.

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jst_home_:

elmojo: I'm happy to test a h264 encoding related patch

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wagnerrp:

does the chainid when starting livetv have to be in <hostname>-<date>T<time>? or is it just some arbitrary identifier, and that is standard convention?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I believe it is just a unique identifier, we don't parse it anywhere that I know of or see when taking a quick look through the source.

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Captain_Murdoch:

it's an id in the table and for talking to the backend

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wagnerrp:

well no reason to break with convention anyway...

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flexy:

odd. I had "upgraded" my htpc box from amd64 x2 5200+ to 6400+ and the system went slow, laggy with normal usage. 2 commflag jobs were enough to start the livetv jerking

[07:08:35]

flexy:

older mb, it seems that the manufacturer was correct when saying that 6000+ is the fastest supported cpu.

[07:09:14]

flexy:

I've been wondering for 3 or 4 days...

[07:09:35]

flexy:

switched back to old cpu, everything is back fine

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wagnerrp:

what clockspeed was the 6400 running?

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flexy:

on the "faster" cpu, both BE and FE were consuming cpu like hell

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flexy:

3200MHz

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flexy:

and yes, it was at full speed

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wagnerrp:

it ran at full x16 multiplier? it didnt drop back to an x5 or something because the board couldnt run that fast?

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flexy:

just watching livetv and FE took minimum 50% according to top

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flexy:

cpufreq-info informed that the speed was 3200MHz when actually trying to use it to something

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clever:

at the instant you checked

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flexy:

allmost all the time

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clever:

best to just disable scaling with /etc/init.d/powernowd stop

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flexy:

I've set the cpufreq so that it steps up very easily

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clever:

ive had to do that before

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flexy:

echo 43 > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/ondemand/up_threshold

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clever:

the driver in my c600 laptop causes it to hardlock for 1 second on every freq change

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flexy:

at the moment, seems to be working fine

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clever:

causing it to often loose bytes on the serial port and ps2 port

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flexy:

thats bad

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clever:

yeah

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clever:

so i made powernowd poll every 60 seconds

[07:14:16]

clever:

so it has to be at the correct %, for a full 60 sec

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clever:

the pain, was that a simple 'ls' would make it jump

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clever:

and then drop down, just as i type a reply

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clever:

so it would always lock up as i reply

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flexy:

lol

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sidh:

greetings gentlemen

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flexy:

something wrong with the bios?

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flexy:

not a setting, but the bios code

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clever:

i checked /proc/cpuinfo

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clever:

the bogomips changes slightly each time

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clever:

i suspect the kernel is counting them over every time

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flexy:

perhaps

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clever:

but the internal clocks still work, 'time' reports the lost time correctly

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sidh:

i've done my first install of LinHES yesterday night, install process was VERY long, i thought there was a problem, today i wonder about the antec veris elite irc/lcd receiver

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clever:

i basicaly did 'time cpufreq-selector ....' and it showed how long it was frozen

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flexy:

:D

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sidh:

i plugged it as mentionned in the doc, i can boot the machine by pressing the big volume button, but nothing is displed on the LCD ... NEVER

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sidh:

displayed

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flexy:

I compiled kernels, run stress, everything worked, as in nothing crashed with the "faster cpu"...

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sidh:

so is it a hardware problem or just a driver problem

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flexy:

but it was just horribly slow

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flexy:

I did ccache -C and began to compile latest svn trunk... it took over 2 hours.

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clever:

:(

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flexy:

I finally decided to try the "slower" old cpu... just to find it's actually many times faster

[07:19:06]

clever:

freq isnt everything

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clever:

my 1.6ghz desktop has trouble with anything 264

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flexy:

mb bios showed it correctly at post, but certainly something of the cpu was unused

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clever:

while the 1.6ghz laptop has no trouble wild mild 264

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clever:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz

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clever:

slow ass cpu

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clever:

model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz

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gnarface:

clever: but the video card in each?

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flexy:

yeah

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clever:

fast one

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clever:

gnarface: both where using plain xv

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clever:

the problem is the massive pipeline on the 1st cpu

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flexy:

which is mostly unused

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flexy:

?

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clever:

if the cpu does any branching, it has to flush the entire pipeline and waste cycles

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gnarface:

don't nvidia cards transparently accelerate xv when you use the binary gunk driver though?

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clever:

gnarface: the fast laptop had ati

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clever:

the slow desktop had nvidia

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clever:

and vdpau isnt supported by the card

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gnarface:

trade you that slow p4 for a smoking hot p3 :)

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clever:

also

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clever:

my 2.9ghz cpu has trouble with 264 :P

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clever:

because its a bloody celeron!

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gnarface:

sounds like an argument for theora if i ever heard one

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flexy:

plain configure took perhaps 30s or more. now it's done in perhaps 2s. with couple of commflagging going in the background...

[07:23:30]

flexy:

yeah, the 2.7GHz has less L2 cache that the 3.2GHz. But MB is obviously missing support for the faster one. don't understand how, though...

[07:23:41]

clever:

cache size : 256 KB

[07:23:43]

clever:

cache size : 2048 KB

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clever:

on the crappy and fast 1.6ghz's

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clever:

that could also be a major part of the problem

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flexy:

yeah

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clever:

cache size : 512 KB

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clever:

shit, the 400mhz has a bigger cache then the crappy 1.6ghz:P

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clever:

and its one of those giant slot based P2's

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gnarface:

bah its the speed of the cache that counts not how much of it

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gnarface:

its not like you're gonna have THAT many cache hits unless you're hosting a database server for slashdot

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clever:

yeah, but if you keep having a cache miss, the speed wont matter

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flexy:

right

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clever:

all depends on how the code is put together at the assembly level

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flexy:

hell, I bought the 6400+ and I can't use it. No way to convince the wife to let my get a MB also...

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clever:

with work, you could give gcc a sample of your codes runtime profile

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clever:

and it could plan to put the active peices near eachother within the final object file

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clever:

so they share blocks in the cache

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clever:

but it would only work if you compile for your exact cache size

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flexy:

superpi was fast for maybe half way, but the other half of the steps went ~10 times slower than with the working cpu

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clever:

something ive been thinking about lately

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clever:

when looking at programing on micro controlers

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clever:

depending on the task, you may have to account for every single cpu clock cycle

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flexy:

but the cpu can't be broken? I ran couple of kernel compiles parallel and some stress hogs

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clever:

because they are either very slow(20mhz) or you are doing high acuracy timing stuff

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flexy:

hmmm. is that possible with normal users who compile from svn? or would one need deeper knowledge than just to read the wiki on howto compile from svn?

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clever:

it compiles pretty much like anything else would from source

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flexy:

I've tried to compile debWRT to openWRT box on my laptop. Did not get it to work...

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clever:

i compiled LFS for a desktop box, and then used that as a router

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flexy:

and tried to compile something to maemo, same result

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jst_home_:

um, seems like svn.mythtv.org is down...

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flexy:

so, in my opinion, cross compiling is hard...

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loki_666:

how to get a backtrace of the backend?

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loki_666:

compile with debug option and run the backend through gdb?

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shashwatpns_:

when i run mythtv backend setup it is displaying "access denied root@localhost".What should i do?? help please

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shashwatpns_:

please help someone

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loki_666:

shashwatpns_, set password in mysql for root (btw: it's not recommended to use root as a user for mysql as some distro refuse root from remote host ie: remote frontend)

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loki_666:

see mysql doc

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** stuarta was trying to find the relevant part in the docs which tell you how to actually setup mythtv **

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shashwatpns_:

loki_666: how do i actually do all that?

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loki_666:

in shell are you able to log in mysql

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stuarta:

you really need to read the mythtv documentation

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loki_666:

mysql -u root

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shashwatpns_:

k thankyou

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stuarta:

loki_666: that was clearly a case of having never read the docs

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stuarta:

that sort of person you need to "help" by making them read the docs

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loki_666:

stuarta, okdoc

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justinh:

damnit. got thinking about mythui on the way to work again

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_ben:

doomed

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justinh:

my old friend the watch recordings screen, wondering how to make it different in terms of being able to use the whole of the screen for one list without needing a horizontal group menu

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justinh:

that probably wouldn't be hard, but doing it in a way which wouldn't break existing behaviour.. ouch

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stuarta:

justinh: i assume you've seen the new one in head?

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justinh:

yeah with a horizontal menu somewhere onscreen for groups

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justinh:

that or the old way of having two vertical lists side by side

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justinh:

I'm an awkard sod & wouldn't mind doing it more like a file browser. E.g. first view encountered is a vertical group list. select an item & go in, then the vertical list changes to the items in that group. Traverse the list as usual, and go back to the group list with the left arrow key

[09:06:12]

justinh:

got to thinking about that way since I tried my wife out on the new list method. She really doesn't get it. I'm ok with it, but not ok with that reaction

[09:07:20]

justinh:

not being a special fan of the old list view I thought why not try to come up with an altogether new way

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justinh:

that & everything else I've never finished

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stuarta:

:)

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justinh:

probably relative mincemeat to make the PBB do what I want, but keeping the old behaviour would add complexity

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justinh:

ahh crap. no EIT data for radio channels :-\

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grokky__:

poop. I wanna co the latest trunk and whaddya know? poor trac.

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justinh:

ruh? useonairguide is '1' for all the radio channels. Wah!

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justinh:

DUH. Stoopid user. The query the listing ran took a while, is all.. coupled with a laggy freenx today. bleh

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justinh:

oh nice. "New #MythTV user interface (0.22) is looking good http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra Maybe I don't need #xbmc after all :-)"

[09:46:06]

justinh:

that's a shot in the arm innit

[09:46:28]

gbee:

where was that?

[09:46:40]

justinh:

twitter

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stuarta:

twatter

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gbee:

oh

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justinh:

on a par with IRC then ;)

[09:47:35]

stuarta:

worse

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stuarta:

the intelligent use irc

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justinh:

you either 'get' twitter or you hate it

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** stuarta hates it **

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justinh:

email is too slow. SMS way too fiddly. IRC, you have to be connected the whole time, as with any other IM service

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justinh:

I hated it before I tried it too. now just another addict

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_ben:

decisions, are you going to twit about it or put it on facebook?

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justinh:

yeah the spammer followers 'internet guru/marketing guru / reseller of tantric goods' are annoying but..

[09:50:17]

stuarta:

luckily i don't tweet or facebook

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stuarta:

ah, bliss...

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** _ben neither **

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justinh:

besides, keeps me off the -users ML

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justinh:

(almost)

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stuarta:

i haven't subscribed to that for over a year

[09:50:58]

stuarta:

SNR problems

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justinh:

-dev list is the same IMHO

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** stuarta disagrees **

[09:51:49]

justinh:

very little actual *dev* talk goes on

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justinh:

it's always somebody with issues running trunk

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stuarta:

which is what it's for

[09:53:19]

justinh:

I always thought it was for talking about developing mythtv

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justinh:

so much for that

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stuarta:

that too

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justinh:

but there's FA of it. never really has been

[09:54:28]

justinh:

might be a good time to say I've quit smoking. feeling the hnnnnng today

[09:54:48]

justinh:

mmm cold turkey

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beatbreak:

what does "kernel panic: junk in compressed archive" mean?

[09:55:49]

justinh:

possibly that something is very, very wrong

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stuarta:

depends where you found it

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stuarta:

if you found it under the bed, then nothing at all

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justinh:

if it happens during bootup.. dig out a livecd

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** stuarta suspects it's helpful friday **

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beatbreak:

this is what's worrying me, i tried a live CD and live USB and still the same results

[09:56:57]

stuarta:

try a memtest cd

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beatbreak:

i even plugged in a different HDD and still getting it

[09:57:02]

justinh:

sounds like you have deeper problems, like bad memory

[09:57:05]

beatbreak:

memtest huh

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beatbreak:

hummm

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stuarta:

it's possible your memory is broken and corrupting the images as they are read off disk

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beatbreak:

not happy

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beatbreak:

i've tested that memory

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justinh:

or as they're extracted into ram

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stuarta:

memtesting is easy and can put your mind at rest

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beatbreak:

i'll give it another test

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stuarta:

it might find nothing

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stuarta:

can't hurt to rule it out

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beatbreak:

yeah i've got memtest85 on USB

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gnarface:

with memtest i've seen all but the non-default tests fail

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gnarface:

er, sorry i mean only the non-defaul tests

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gnarface:

go to the test options and hit like #8 or something

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justinh:

and if that fails to load, maybe your motherboard/cpu is guff

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gnarface:

there is some real slow bit fade tests towards the end that aren't on by default in every version of memtest

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beatbreak:

it runs XP fine though (well atleast it boots into it, i didn't test much from there

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gnarface:

i've seen really really broken ram succeed at the first 1–6 easy fast tests

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beatbreak:

ok you're talking about memtest86+ ? i'll give all those tests a try

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justinh:

I've seen XP boot with bad memory before. works fine most of the time too. just unstable. depends where the problem is

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gnarface:

yea i had a mac laptop that would only fail during large program compilation because the errors were all towards the top end of the memory range

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justinh:

gnarface: if it's failing on a kernel image uncompress operation, I don't think it'll be an elusive one for memtest to find

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gnarface:

fair enoug

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gnarface:

h

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justinh:

but then it manages to boot XP allegedly.. so hmmm. anyway memtest costs nothing to try

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beatbreak:

just time

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beatbreak:

ok i'll get it going

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beatbreak:

so test #6 straight off the bat? or all of them in sequence?

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gnarface:

depends on whether you're impatient

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stuarta:

i normally just fire it up and let it run overnight

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stuarta:

assuming it passes the quick tests

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gnarface:

if you're not impatient i'd recommend running all of them then checking the settings for extra optional ones and trying them too

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gnarface:

yea assuming it just doesn't throw a bunch of errors in test 1

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gnarface:

should be a copy of it on every knoppix boot disk

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gnarface:

damn that thing is handy

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stuarta:

it's handy that you can normally install it as a package

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stuarta:

and then select it as a boot optino

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beatbreak:

i've made my own recovery USB it's on there

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beatbreak:

in grub

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stuarta:

perfect

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gnarface:

if the ram fault is isolated isn't there a program you can use to tell the kernel just to map around the bad sectors?

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beatbreak:

i've tested this ram with test 1 before, i didn't know there's other options though

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gnarface:

course its worth checking just in case to make sure your bios has the cpu and memory timings correct...

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gnarface:

is this new hardware?

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clever:

gnarface: you can make the kernel bypass those with special kernel parameters to the boot loader

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clever:

but id just tear the whole module out

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clever:

ive been lucky, all my bad ram problems have been solved by just reseating the ram

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clever:

and they only return every couple of years

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gnarface:

i had one motherboard that became allergic to its own ram

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gnarface:

both dimms cleared a full memtest in either slot if they were the only one there

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gnarface:

neither chip cleared test #6 or higher if both were in there

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gnarface:

but they'd been in the board for years

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justinh:

damn that background radiation

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gnarface:

eventually it became allergic to ethernet cards too

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gnarface:

i suspect dirty power causing microfractures in the circuitry

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gnarface:

or gremlins

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gnarface:

weird crap with old hardwrae sometimes

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clever:

the system with the 'bad' ram was used

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clever:

probly returned to the store because it blue screened

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clever:

may have been on sale because of it

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gnarface:

recently though i've learned to be careful about temperature monitoring

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gnarface:

i fried 1.5gb of ram in an old titanium powerbook trying to bootstrap gentoo

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gnarface:

don't ever do that on a mac laptop

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clever:

the kernel didnt manage the cpu fan or something?

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gnarface:

that might have been it but i'm pretty sure it was spinning

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gnarface:

it might have been spinning too slow

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gnarface:

but they always got real hot just under "normal" use

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beatbreak:

u guys there?

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beatbreak:

memtest86+ won't even run

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clever:

ive seen a few forms of overheating safety's

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clever:

the c600 laptop will just totaly cut power if it overheats

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gnarface:

my guess is they just never had enough cooling capability to actually protect against that type of prolonged load

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clever:

like i yanked the cord

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justinh:

beatbreak: then it's very very broken

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gnarface:

i should have put it in the freezer

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beatbreak:

......the ram is?

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clever:

the d600 will just underclock itself

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beatbreak:

what part?

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justinh:

beatbreak: the system is

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justinh:

:P

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beatbreak:

which bit?

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justinh:

who knows?

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gnarface:

beatbreak: are you talking to us on the system?

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justinh:

YOU do the dog work

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beatbreak:

hoho very funny

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beatbreak:

no

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beatbreak:

i'm on another system

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justinh:

aunting hell. it won't boot *anything* and we're expected to *know* what's up with it?

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gnarface:

describe the memtest "failed to run"

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beatbreak:

that system now give me windows BSOD and every distro of Linux Kernel Panic

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gnarface:

how far in the post did it get?

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gnarface:

ok so it gave you a post beep?

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justinh:

if it passes its own POST memory test, that's something I guess :P

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gnarface:

the motherboard status was go and it didn't freak till the boot process?

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beatbreak:

yeah it will boot from my recovery USB

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beatbreak:

and go into memtest

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beatbreak:

but memtest just gives me the blue screen

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justinh:

but memtest just fails to run totally?

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beatbreak:

it says cache unknown

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beatbreak:

blah blah unknown

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gnarface:

huh thats werid

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beatbreak:

and yeah it won't run, just sit there

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gnarface:

you know for sure your current bios version on the motherboard has proper support for your cpu?

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beatbreak:

yes

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beatbreak:

it's been the same for a while

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gnarface:

i've seen that type of behavior when running a bios that came out before the cpu that was in it

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gnarface:

and other stuff would still run

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beatbreak:

i guess the obvious thing is that i recently changes the RAM so it must be that,

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gnarface:

could still be cpu too

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justinh:

bios settings all munged up all of a sudden? seen that happen

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justinh:

try a reset of settings

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beatbreak:

BIOS seems fine

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gnarface:

the cpu has some ram in it (the cache) and it could be fried

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beatbreak:

ok i'll pull the battery out

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justinh:

it's all about a process of elimination now

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gnarface:

pull all the extra pci cards too

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gnarface:

take out everything but video

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beatbreak:

well if the CPU was stuffed it wouldn't pass POST

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gnarface:

just to narrow down the suspects

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gnarface:

oh you'd be surprised

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gnarface:

there are a lot of components in a cpu

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gnarface:

and they're not all strictly vital to operate within spec at post time

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justinh:

POST stuff is just real quick & dirty things

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beatbreak:

i could try it with the same old ram in it but it's in this system now and it works great

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justinh:

I mean REAL quick, REAL dirty

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beatbreak:

i don't have compressed air either

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clever:

ive seen the post take longer if i killed it mid-post before

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clever:

it knows something went wrong, and does a full test

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gnarface:

beatbreak: pay attention to the beeps

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beatbreak:

the beeps are fine

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gnarface:

one single high-pitched beep usually means ok

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gnarface:

if there is more than one or the tone is lower that might mean its proceeding with post but a component is suspect

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beatbreak:

it's normal at BIOS and POST, one quick beep

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gnarface:

another thing to try if you have more than one ram stick

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gnarface:

try them one at a time

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beatbreak:

i think there must be dust in the ram module maybe

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beatbreak:

i've tried them one at a time, same result

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gnarface:

hmm.

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beatbreak:

but they're the same ram, and i think they're trouble

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beatbreak:

it was too cheap to be trun

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justinh:

gbee: anyway, reason I said that tweet looked like good news.. the amount of people still saying MFE looks like ass so they're gonna try XBMC/boxee is disheartening. so to start winning people over again on the looks aspect can only be good :)

[10:23:45]

beatbreak:

true

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gnarface:

beatbreak: 1stchoicememory.com

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justinh:

unless it's conductive dust.. sheesh

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beatbreak:

i'm in Australia

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justinh:

red dust? they've been trying to wipe out a batch of 'visitors' I heard

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beatbreak:

??

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beatbreak:

u mean on the news?

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beatbreak:

i guess it's possible

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beatbreak:

i don't know about the visitors you're talking aobut

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justinh:

you're too young to remember that miniseries I suppose. heh

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beatbreak:

?

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justinh:

'V'

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justinh:

go back to sleep

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beatbreak:

not bed time yet

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beatbreak:

i think i might try a stick of the old ram in though

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beatbreak:

it's only 256 but should be enough to let me know what's going on

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justinh:

there was a TV series called 'V' in the 1980s where aliens try to harvest the Earth. A resistance group develops a toxin in the form of a red dust to kill these 'visitors'.

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beatbreak:

ok i'll be back with some news i guess

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beatbreak:

ah

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beatbreak:

ok i thought you were talking about the red dust in the news that happened the other week in Sydney

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beatbreak:

i suppose not

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beatbreak:

i was born in the 80's!

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justinh:

kinda both :P

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beatbreak:

V is a music channel!

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jduggan_:

no its a festival

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beatbreak:

i hate turning my system off. i've got vboxes and all this crap to shutdown

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beatbreak:

it's a good 5 minute process to do it right

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beatbreak:

ok good, see ya

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gnarface:

i thought he was debugging a different machine than the irc box?

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justinh:

maybe the memory fault is in a VM :P

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gnarface:

weird

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justinh:

it's friday :D

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gnarface:

i'm starting to suspect the cpu is at fault

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justinh:

whee lovefilm are planning to release an API

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justinh:

say they just have a few legal issues to sort out & then they're good

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justinh:

http://developer.lovefilm.com/

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gbee:

finally a mythflix for the UK

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justinh:

no need to tell you how I found out about that

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justinh:

:P

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gbee:

as if that means anything unless you were already a customer

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justinh:

somebody has already said he's planning a plugin for myth

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gbee:

used to use ScreenSelect, which became LoveFilm, but eventually I was recording more than I had time to watch

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gbee:

justinh: if he's not making it generic ...

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gbee:

terms are pretty restrictive

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justinh:

prolly no more than netflix are

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justinh:

at least in terms of a 'booking' interface

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gnarface:

passing out people

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gnarface:

lata

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sidh:

as i have some trouble with LinHES with some device (haupauge nova TD500, antec veris elite) i see there is 3 main myth tv project , mythbuntu, lihes, and mythdora, does the hardware support is the same for all of them ?

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justinh:

hardware support depends on the kernel version used for the distro you opt for

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sulx:

that depends on kernel version and included patches...

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justinh:

I wouldn't call the Hauppauge Nova TD500 a 'new' card as such

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Doris_:

if you want my opinion, why you never listen to it?

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Doris_:

I told you years ago all that was nonsense

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Doris_:

you just stupid sluts

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Doris_:

and you are Super-Stupid lafond

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laga:

you tell 'em

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** justinh waves bye bye to mchou's alias **

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Doris_:

Super-Stupid

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Doris_:

just stop to lie to your boss and tell him all that is going somewhere

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Doris_:

the last days convinced me firmly to go for a lawyer

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Doris_:

and to sue you

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Doris_:

Super-Stupid

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justinh:

what we mean is, out of the box, hardware support is entirely reliant on the kernel version. But not everybody is up to the job of making their own kernel and/or compiling their own kernel modules

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justinh:

that better, angrypants?

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justinh:

reminds me. getting on for the 5th anniversary of mythtv in my house

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** stuarta wonders wtf Doris_ is on about **

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Doris_:

all the "acting" part of all that is so badly done and so obviously made to manipulate that even a child would run away

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justinh:

where are ops when we need em? ;-)

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stuarta:

closer than you think

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Doris_:

and the with the frenchies and the women from CAE , ist not revoltingly disgusting, its scandalous

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** stuarta says the word Doris_ again **

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stuarta:

not sure the ban was needed

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GreyFoxx:

Stops auto rejoins

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GreyFoxx:

some users doesn't notice the kick otherwise

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stuarta:

i normally wait to see the autorejoin

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GreyFoxx:

I assume it :)

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GreyFoxx:

that particular alias auto removes the back after a few seconds :)

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GreyFoxx:

s/back/ban/

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justinh:

jees how bad do you have to be to get banned?

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stuarta:

bad

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justinh:

pity :)

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_abbenormal:

id say just be real dumb works also

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elmojo:

jst_home_: are you noticing any issue with trunk and h264 playback?

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stuarta:

for me it depends on the level of obscenity

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GreyFoxx:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

and regularity

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stuarta:

and arrogance

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stuarta:

lack of ability to respond to polite requests

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GreyFoxx:

some people get more slack than others because they are usually helpful and polite

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GreyFoxx:

others get smacked faster because they are always d*cks to other people in the channel

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stuarta:

have we seen doris before?

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justinh:

in all my time here I've only seen a literal handful of people get kicked

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GreyFoxx:

I have

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justinh:

I have too. wasn't trolling then though IIRC

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GreyFoxx:

It's the 4th such half conversation rant I've seen that appeared to not be meant for this channel and not amount of /msging or channel requests got a response

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stuarta:

makes sense

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laga:

i'd just kick immediately because it doesn't cost anything. and now we know why i don't have op :)

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** justinh hums "the drugs don't work" **

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** stuarta teases laga with +o **

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justinh:

laga: same here, only I'd ban too. Safest bet not to give me ops again

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justinh:

keep it in sane, fair hands ;)

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stuarta:

we only gave you voice and you couldn't cope with that!

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_abbenormal:

lol

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justinh:

I didn't want it

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** stuarta pats justinh **

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_abbenormal:

sometimes when its not wanted its best given but then how to use the new found choices

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justinh:

like I don't want commit access anymore either but nobody listens

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justinh:

not that it makes a difference now that worthy folks are able to commit

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justinh:

heh. never before have I seen a BoFH episode worthy of emailing my wife. Until now. She has had experience of printer repairers recently

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sid3windr:

url!

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justinh:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10/02/bofh_2009_episode_12/

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flexy:

dserban_, sphery: Earlier I ran 9h of memtest, then was told that many times it does not reveal faulty memory... Then, I started 3 parallel kernel compiles (different kernel versions) and after those were well started (in the actual compiling), I started two instances of stress. With these options: stress -c 6 -m 6 -d 6 -i 6 -t 50m and the second: stress -c 12 -m 12 -d 12 -i 12 -t 120m ... Those hogged the box with load average

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sidh:

sorry justinh i had a call,

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sidh:

so you said that hardware support depends on kernel version, do you know if one of mythdora/mythbuntu (as linHES doesn't semm to have) has a support for antec veris elite LCD/IR device ?

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justinh:

no idea. I don't follow individual linux distros

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justinh:

but the time you spend looking for a distro that supports it would be better spent making it work on the distro you have

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sidh:

yes you are right, i test linHES, and i don't feel comfortable with it (no archlinux knowledge at all)

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justinh:

assuming the hardware even has linux support yet :P

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sidh:

i'll try a debian like mythtv distrib

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sidh:

as i know how to compile on it

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flexy:

I've been using ~10 years one distro. Couple of tries with another ones, but did not like the experience... :)

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sidh:

that's it

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sidh:

according to me i moved to bsd systems 3 years ago, but for specific hardware , linux remains the only open alternate option

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justinh:

I hate freedom, apparently. I only care that stuff works :)

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flexy:

:)

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tmkt:

Hello Hello

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flexy:

alle warten auf das licht!

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sidh:

i do too for professionnal tasks, but in the case of a private htpc, if i don't feel concerned by open/free software, i'd install a mediacenter edition maybe ... :)

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flexy:

Is there some benchmarkings of commflagging with different methods?

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justinh:

flexy: no real point. if it works for you, stick with it

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flexy:

I'm wondering about suitable method to get HD channel commflagging a little faster (Tried to go with faster CPU, ended up with one that is too fast for the mobo...

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justinh:

sidh: nah the reason I didn't is because it's not as flexible as mythtv

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flexy:

yeah, it works. it just takes a long time for the one and only HD channel I have

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justinh:

flexy: so it looks like you'll have to experiment on your own

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flexy:

I tried. ended up with over hundred commercials in one hour. :D

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flexy:

and it was not faster

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flexy:

hmmm. not noticeable faster anyway

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flexy:

tried with blank frames IIRC

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justinh:

so you need more CPU then :)

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justinh:

or faster I/O. or both

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flexy:

yes, I tried, bought 500MHz extra per core

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flexy:

only to find out my mother board does not support that fast cpu

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flexy:

I spent my budget, so new MB is not an option. Unless I want to cause the WAF to sank..

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flexy:

well, it's not a problem really. Nothing extra Hz won't solve :)

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justinh:

hmm. neat feature for mythmusic's miniplayer popup. show what's coming next

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flexy:

just have to wait for my next "allowance" :D

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flexy:

miniplayer?

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justinh:

flexy: poor you. we have a kitty for our household bills etc

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justinh:

everything else, we spend however we want

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gbee:

you make the cat pay the bills?

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flexy:

well, gummy bears don't distribute evenly, that's just life...

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justinh:

lol

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gbee:

justinh: I was thinking of putting a list in the miniplayer so you could not only show what's next but actually do rudimentary browsing of the playlist to skip to a particular track

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gbee:

all optional of course, again just a way of letting themers evolve the perfect UI

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justinh:

cool :)

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mag0o:

mmm, chinese for dinner flexy ?

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justinh:

I'll stop adding to my never to be finished to-do list

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flexy:

mag0o: perhaps, I spent my grocary money on a cpu that does not even work

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justinh:

might get some time to look at that rotate stuff at the weekend. be nice if that ever makes it in .23

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henkpoley:

http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/svn.mythtv.org :: "It's not just you! http://svn.mythtv.org/ looks down from here." :-/

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gbee:

we know, unfortunately the only people with necessary perms to restart the apache process on the server are asleep

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henkpoley:

Or did they change over to GIT or something in the last month?

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gbee:

just apache wedged

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henkpoley:

Nobody there to reboot the server/deamon ?

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justinh:

gbee: I was thinking last night, along with my analogue clock gadget I might even make a new progress widget. that go down well?

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gbee:

a new one?

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justinh:

yeah a self-rotating thing

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justinh:

maybe progress widget was the wrong name. a way of having a 'busy' indicator without needing to use flipbook animation

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justinh:

then again, rotatepulse could do that when I wire it all up

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resno:

hello myth people

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okolsi:

if I wan't to be safe with channel scan.. is it enough if I can restore 'channel' and 'dtv_multiplex' DB tables.. if it goes wrong?

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justinh:

should be ok to do that

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justinh:

back up the whole db to be on the safe side

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stuarta:

tho it's still simpler to backup and restore the whole thing

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justinh:

as well, I mean

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okolsi:

okay.. I have full backups, but it is now ~14h old.. can always dig something from there if needed

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justinh:

just back up the db now

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justinh:

it won't take long

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okolsi:

k, will do that

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justinh:

I take backups at 6am every day but before I rescanned the other day I did a couple more just to be on the safe side

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justinh:

for the amount of space they take up it's not worth NOT doing it ;-)

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okolsi:

DB size is 132M in SQL clauses, 24M when gzipped

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okolsi:

wonder what would be safest try with DVB-T.. to drop all channels and re-scan existing transports?

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justinh:

not drop. delete in mythtv-setup

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stuarta:

i find that works best

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okolsi:

yeah, meant to delete

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justinh:

if you use xmltv, you might find it useful to grab SELECT name, xmltvid FROM CHANNEL; for future reference ;)

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justinh:

before you delete anything I mean

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stuarta:

create table channel_old like channel; insert into channel_old (select * from channel)

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okolsi:

I'm using only EIT.. but I have tweaked the channel numbers.. I could grab that info before removing anything

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justinh:

stuarta: nifty

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stuarta:

personally i did dtv_multiplex as well, but that didn't change

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justinh:

never occured to do something like that. you could easily then do a "update channel set xmltvid.. er now I'm lost

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justinh:

you could then put the xmltvids in from the channel_old table where the names match in channel. If you knew what you're doing ;)

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okolsi:

blaah.. something came up, might not be able to go through this tonight :(

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stuarta:

update channel as c, channel_old as o set c.xmltvid=o.xmltvid where c.callsign=o.callsign;

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stuarta:

:)

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stuarta:

optionally s/callsign/name/

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justinh:

you can tell who does this stuff for a living ;)

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stuarta:

:)

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** stuarta won't mention join's to justinh **

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justinh:

I saw a join once. I had to run away

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stuarta:

they get evil quickly

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resno:

is there a database scheme/ dictionary anywhere?

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stuarta:

nope

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resno:

are the fields named well?

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** stuarta ponders pointing mysqlworkbench at mythconverg **

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resno:

i suppose to the experts its quite easy to figure out whats what.. right

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stuarta:

well enough

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JEDIDIAH__:

joins are like guns... only dangerous if you don't respect them.

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JEDIDIAH__:

the columns are named reasonably well.

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JEDIDIAH__:

If you have any business tinkering in the db, you should not have an problems.

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stuarta:

it's not the most complicated schema

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resno:

ok

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resno:

JEDIDIAH__: i have been considering jumping on a web dev

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justinh:

heard from a mate who works in NHS IT yesterday. said a new patient database has a field called Patient ID (PID). It kind of fails with patients whose names begin with 'pid'

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JEDIDIAH__:

well. as long as it's all consensual, I guess it's between you 2.

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resno:

consensual? LOL, yes i have talked it over with komoc

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JEDIDIAH__:

the schema by itself is pretty easy to grok even without documentation.

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resno:

i just read what i wrote

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justinh:

creepy huh?

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resno:

yep, thats me.

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justinh:

oh jesus. Blackmagic have released linux drivers for their decklink cards.

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henkpoley:

Lets see if trunk now does update the EPG on my DVB-C connection..

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GreyFoxx:

hrm, any of you ATI catalyst users happen to know if the 780g chipset is listed as "radeon x700 series" on the site for downloading the catalyst driver?

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JEDIDIAH__:

they have an interesting interpretation of Tux... while cool and all I am not sure how much it means to Myth.

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justinh:

Ha-ha. Some guy claims to have defeated HDCP by modding his TV

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henkpoley:

GreyFoxx: Don't think it's the same, at least x700 seems older than 780G

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henkpoley:

GreyFoxx: AMD Radeon HD 3200 = 780G

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GreyFoxx:

cool. thanks

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justinh:

http://bit.ly/n6nmp – not for the faint-hearted

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a new board/cpu and such for a temporary frontend and have avoided ati under linux for years so I'm gonna have to install the drivers later today

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: heh, I hate these modern version numbers – my RS650 or whatever it was called, the predecessor to the 780g was given the product version of X1250

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gbee:

then the bastards dropped driver support for it :/

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GreyFoxx:

dropped support for yours?

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GreyFoxx:

ouch

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henkpoley:

Woah, new channel scanner even removes unused transports :-)

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laga:

well, ati.

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JEDIDIAH__:

those blackmagic cards seem to be targeted to editing software that starts at $1000.

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GreyFoxx:

gonna be fun to see how much will go into the install since I wont be using a ny packages :)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: what is that? a (poorly) hardwired HDMI plug?

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henkpoley:

I always wonder how it takes for the EPG info grabber to kick in..

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wagnerrp:

oh, is that the supposed unencrypted HDMI out from his TV?

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justinh:

yeah

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elmojo:

iamlindoro, jst_home_: here is the patch fix h264 timestamp ordering problems -> http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1589589

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wagnerrp:

but why has he soldered into the ethernet jack?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: good grounding point

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wagnerrp:

why does e even have an ethernet jack?... and why a mode jack?

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wagnerrp:

modem

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wagnerrp:

i must admit, thats some damn fine soldering (on such a small chip)

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justinh:

something I have to do in my job all the time

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wagnerrp:

well it means it was professionally done

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justinh:

see how the wire soldered to the ethernet port shielding actually goes onto the braiding of the hdmi cable ? ;)

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wagnerrp:

not some tinkerer on his workbench with a $15 iron

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justinh:

heh. nope

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JEDIDIAH__:

...plenty of "professionals" tinker.

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justinh:

I did a similar hack (less wires) on a USB soundcard to gain an extra pair of outputs :)

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: yeah, but this one was someone with some considerable time with an iron

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justinh:

prolly got good at it modding xboxen & playstations :P

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wagnerrp:

justinh: i just see the shield braid ending in some tangled mess

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justinh:

though the amount of those I've had to fix, they're seldom as well done as that

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JEDIDIAH__:

sure

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i tried (and failed) to wire into some pins on a PS3 controller, probably twice the size of that chip

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: they supported that chipset in their driver until Feb this year, but the driver they left us with had a bug which they fixed in the March release :/ I switched to using the OSS driver which worked well generally but was just too slow for HD – out of frustration I bought an Nvidia GF8200 based board with the idea that I could use vdpau anyway

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justinh:

for scale, the components to the immediate left of the chip are 0402 size. About 1 millimetre across

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wagnerrp:

i could wire in 2–3 pins, but somewhere along the line i would drip some solder across pins, and end up removing everything i had done in an attempt to clean up

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justinh:

I'm surprised the innards of HDMI cable isn't coaxial or anything fancy like that

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JEDIDIAH__:

In a planet full of bored underachieving EE's, it only takes one guy.

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wagnerrp:

its supposed to be STP

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justinh:

that's what I thought

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wagnerrp:

but those dont look very twisted

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wagnerrp:

not is that very impressive shield braid

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: I'd be happy if I get fullscreen xvideo :) the cpu will be enough for software decodes in my case

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GreyFoxx:

but this is for temporary use anyway

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justinh:

dig those component numbers

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GreyFoxx:

more playing around while I wait to get an ion

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justinh:

Capacitor 7 thousand six hundred and fifty seven

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justinh:

lol

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_ben:

the new revo looks cool

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wagnerrp:

so... now that he has HDMI output, what does he intend to do with it?

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justinh:

is that a displayport socket on there?

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JEDIDIAH__:

The R330 seems to do well with mundane flash but stutters with 720p stuff.

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justinh:

wagnerrp: into blackmagic card. digitise encrippled HDMI from a STB widdit

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justinh:

then spend literally days encoding it

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justinh:

(presumably)

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wagnerrp:

justinh: yeah, sure... but live compression of 1.5gbps of data?

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justinh:

the blackmagic cards encode to something similar to MJPEG onboard

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wagnerrp:

i suppose you could probably pull off huffman or mpng in realtime

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GreyFoxx:

hmm wonder if I should put ubuntu on this box ... I assume they have packages for recent catalyst drivers ? Or would I still be manually installing them ?

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: CPU was enough for software decode here, but the OSS driver couldn't do fullscreen 720p XV ... well to be fair, some doubt was raised about that when I later discovered that Ubuntu had a pretty broken Ondemand scaling governor which might have prevented it from upscaling from 1000Mhz and thus choking – I didn't notice this until after I had replaced the board

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: Nice work on the patch-- bounced it off upstream yet?

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: ouch.

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wagnerrp:

so that looks like a switch chips that does the HDCP decryption as well?

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gbee:

but all the same, a few people had claimed to improve XV performance by upto 50% with the RadeonHD driver after unrolling some functions

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justinh:

man, if that hack really does whack HDMI into touch, I can't believe they've been so lazy as to do the handshake in the very first chip the signal meets

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wagnerrp:

why hack up the TV, and not wire into the STB before it gets encrypted

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justinh:

wagnerrp: presumably because it's not HDMI then

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: not an ffmpeg bugfix – I'm actually adding capability they added for h264 timestamps

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: bah, should have looked closer-- nice job!!

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wagnerrp:

the STB was intelligent enough to use a TMDS transmitter and encoder in one chip?

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justinh:

wagnerrp: done in the SoC generally

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elmojo:

iamlindoro: apparently it's necessary to do now

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justinh:

it's pretty damn tight

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: so it seems :)

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elmojo:

it's optional in ffplay

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: And from what I gather from when it was developed, quite a nice improvment

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elmojo:

please let me know if it cause you any regressions

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: I'll try to test w/ it tonight if janneg doesn't review and apply before then

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: added it to a myth ticket yet? Not sure what Mark/Janne's queues look like

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elmojo:

no ticket yet

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elmojo:

I also found an issue with av sync divergence code

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iamlindoro:

H.264 timestamp improvements were one of the reasons we put off our last ffmpeg sync for a bit, so I know that it matters to Janne

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iamlindoro:

elmojo: LOL, check out just opened ticket 7223, any relation?

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elmojo:

let me check

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iamlindoro:

Reporter is polish so there is some difficulty in parsing the issue, but thought it might be

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wagnerrp:

a bra that turns into a pair of gas masks.... go topless for terrorism?

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elmojo:

maybe related but doubtful

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elmojo:

the type of reordering the patch provides will fix AV sync and stuttering problems

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elmojo:

his issues sound much more severe

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elmojo:

more like positionmap related

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iamlindoro:

Very likely-- I think I notice a similar issue when trying to watch in-progress HD-PVR recordings

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iamlindoro:

In fact, I *think* that's what he's trying to get at

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elmojo:

No H264 Livetv for me :(

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iamlindoro:

I don't want Live, but sometimes like to watch something slightly timeshifted but basically real time so I can skip the commercials

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iamlindoro:

HD-PVR recordings (and possibly, other H.264 sources) have the position map for the length of the show as of when you started playback, but skipping breaks thereafter

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elmojo:

semi-LiveTV :)

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iamlindoro:

so, for example, starting a show nine minutes late means you can skip around within the first nine minutes... but try to skip past it (even though there might now be 18 minutes of recording material) and you lose the ability to skip after the ninth minute

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iamlindoro:

OSD time locks, and the only option is to save the position, leave, and restart the recording... at which point you can now skip around within the first 18 mintues, and so on :)

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elmojo:

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