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Tuesday, September 29th, 2009, 00:04 UTC

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DjMadness|Lap:

Anyone that has any pointers with teletext under mythtv ? i just get "p100 page not available" on every tv channel I have tested teletext with mplayer playing the tv along with alevt ive pulled out some settings from the SQL database to display my settings http://pastebin.ca/1583475

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, I've heard Sony now has the rights on Farscape, and while those early seasons weren't 16:9, they are on film so HD is a possibility

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GreyFoxx:

Ack........ that would be awesome

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GreyFoxx:

I'm assuming the webisodes aren't gonna happen. There has been no news for so long

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iamlindoro:

It's been a long time, yeah

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iamlindoro:

Siphy has really given up any attempt at quality shows, anyway

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GreyFoxx:

"At the 2009 San Diego Comic-Con, Brian Henson stated that the webisodes were "ready to go" but that they were still looking for financing on the project"

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mangus580:

evening gang

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resno:

hello peoples

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resno:

is it possible to just install mythtv frontend?

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wagnerrp:

not easily

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wagnerrp:

you have to manually go in and rework the make files

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mangus580:

anyone know anything about 'Pulse Audio'?

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wagnerrp:

not that it matters because the difference between a full install and a frontend-only install is a handful of MB

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resno:

wagnerrp: so just install the whole mythtv thing?

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wagnerrp:

mangus580: its emulation of the ALSA interfaces is incomplete, which results in mythtv not being able to properly maintain A/V sync

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wagnerrp:

resno: correct, just do a full install

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mangus580:

understood... it doesnt work right :-)

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mangus580:

can I ditch it somehow?

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wagnerrp:

most of the code is inside the libraries that are shared between the frontend and backend

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wagnerrp:

if you really care, you can delete 'mythbackend' once you install mythtv

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mangus580:

or do I have to stuff a different sound card in, and remove the onboard?

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wagnerrp:

mangus580: if compiled with 'support', myth will be able to forcefully disable pulseaudio, and access ALSA directly

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wagnerrp:

that support may only be in trunk, i dont know if it ever got backported to fixes

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mangus580:

hmmm ok

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mangus580:

I dunno if it was compiled with support, as I didnt compile it

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wagnerrp:

you can also just disable pulse yourself

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mangus580:

ok, how?

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wagnerrp:

if you only run mythfrontend, that should be as simple as turning off some init script

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mangus580:

no, this is my backend too

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wagnerrp:

if you use other applications, they may depend on pulse, and turning pulse off may cause issues

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend does not use any audio subsystem, unless you have a framegrabber

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mangus580:

I am not using any other applications for audio, other than myth

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wagnerrp:

in which case it uses OSS

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wagnerrp:

im not sure how to go about doing it, ive never used ubuntu

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mangus580:

this is fedora 10

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wagnerrp:

but im sure there are some howto's online somewhere

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wagnerrp:

oh, FC uses pulse by default now too?

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mangus580:

guess so

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: yum remove pulseaudio <-- did it for me...

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mangus580:

woops... that aint gonna work at a winbloze cmd LOL

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mangus580:

ahh, that looks better

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mangus580:

will i have to reboot it?

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mangus580:

mythfrontend still reports it as running

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wagnerrp:

just about the only time you have to reboot linux is to change the kernel

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: I don't remember — did it get removed successfully?

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mangus580:

yup

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mangus580:

restarted X

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mangus580:

works now

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: cool ;-)

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resno:

wagnerrp: i just installed myth on my laptop, and the theme looks broken. i dont see any text

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resno:

i just installed myth on my laptop, and the theme looks broken. i dont see any text

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wagnerrp:

what specifically did you install?

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wagnerrp:

-fixes? some revision of trunk?

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wagnerrp:

did you upgrade or was it clean?

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resno:

i just installed from repostitories on ubunutu. clean install.

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resno:

should i try re-installing?

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wagnerrp:

so... -fixes?

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resno:

i am not sure if i installed fixes. how can i check?

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wagnerrp:

myth<anything> --version

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resno:

i ran mythtv --version and i got error. renderbadpicture

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resno:

major opcode: 149 minor opcode: 23

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wagnerrp:

you cant run mythtv

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resno:

why not?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is direct access to the video player, meant for debugging purposes only

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wagnerrp:

it has been renamed to something more meaningful in trunk

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resno:

oh...

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resno:

so what do do i place in the <anything> everything else i try says command not found

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wagnerrp:

backend, frontend, jobqueue, commflag, transcode

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resno:

thanks. branches/release-0-21-fixes

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resno:

version 19961

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** mag0o points wagnerrp to myth<almost_anything> **

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mag0o:

:)

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wagnerrp:

damnit... lost another recording

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** resno points to i try anything and it didnt exist. anything, means anything ;) **

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wagnerrp:

for some reason, i just keep dropping recordings

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mag0o:

hehe, its next to the any key

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resno:

mag0o: aye not i see the button

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mangus580:

hmmmm ok

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mangus580:

so now mythfrontend works

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mangus580:

but my audio doesnt patch through from the tuner

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resno:

any ideas about why the frontends not working?

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wagnerrp:

mangus580: doesnt patch through from the tuner?

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mangus580:

yeah, I'm not getting audio from the tuner

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mangus580:

I think its a line in setting issue

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mangus580:

going back to the doc's now, but a tip might be nice :-)

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wagnerrp:

yeah... cant help you beyond this point

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mangus580:

no prob

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** wagnerrp avoids framegrabbers **

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resno:

mangus580: ah, framegrabbers!

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mangus580:

heh

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** resno pats mangus580 on the back. **

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mangus580:

its my temporary card

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mangus580:

something I HAVE 2 of!

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resno:

mangus580: i have been working with a framegrabber.

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mangus580:

what card would you guys suggest? I am looking at the Happauge PVR500

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mangus580:

would that work decent?

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wagnerrp:

would work just fine

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mangus580:

better than my framegrabber i suspect

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mangus580:

think I may have just fixed it

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mangus580:

well... maybe not 'right' but I hear the sound

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mangus580:

went into the volume panel and unmuted line in

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kormoc:

Did you unmute playback or capture?

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wagnerrp:

you hear it because it is passing straight into the speakers

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wagnerrp:

that doesnt mean youre recording it

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mangus580:

agreed

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mangus580:

just ran through teh command line from teh docs

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mangus580:

sound is gone now, but lemme try something

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mangus580:

OUCH!

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mangus580:

ok, sound works

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josh_:

I thought I was progressing by buying digital tuners. Turns out, Comcast is pretty much forcing their users to get STB's and for those, I can only use an analog tuner.

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mangus580:

holy crap that hurt my easrs

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mangus580:

now to figure out why teh picture is so crappy

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resno:

mangus580: thats a framegrabber for you

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mangus580:

well, I used this card in windoze 2k, and it was TONS better

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mangus580:

but, then again

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resno:

its the issue of framegrabbers in linux

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mangus580:

this is testing right now

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mangus580:

choppy too

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mangus580:

I am guessing this is the difference between the framegrabber (CPU encoding) and the mpeg encoder cards?

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mangus580:

lemme guess, in winbloze, it just ports the video to the screen somehow

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: Yes --- in winblows it was probably just shuffling the raw lamegrabber buffer to an overlay...

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mangus580:

sounds about right

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mangus580:

so I should get my PVR500 on the way asap eh?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: I <3 my PVR-150, 250, 350 and 500 cards... ;-)

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resno:

how can i get my frontend working? it looks like the theme is broken

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wagnerrp:

try a different theme?

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mangus580:

I am thinking of getting 2 of the PVR-500's

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mangus580:

I think that should be enough

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resno:

how do i change theme? both backend and front end arent usable

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J-e-f-f-A:

resno: and/or if you're trying GL, and your video drivers don't work, change the theme painter to QT...

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resno:

J-e-f-f-A: how can i change the theme?

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J-e-f-f-A:

resno: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Override_settings

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** J-e-f-f-A feels like sphery ;-) **

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mangus580:

what is the 'upcoming recordings' tab on the mythweb?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: Umm... self explanatory? A list of the upcoming recordings per your schedules???

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mangus580:

well, I have a recording scheudle for 10:15 (6 min from now)

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mangus580:

shows in my recording schedules

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mangus580:

but not upcoming

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mangus580:

(whats the difference??)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: click on your recording schedule, then click on "find showings of this program" – does it show your scheduled recording?

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mangus580:

Jeff, on the front end? or back end?

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resno:

J-e-f-f-A: when i run that command, it still doesnt work. and terminal says error: renderbadpicture

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mangus580:

well, frontend or web I guess is what I mean

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: in mythweb... although they both should display the same, they're accessing the same database... (presuming you're running mythweb on the backend...)

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wagnerrp:

has anyone else been getting dropped recordings on multirec?

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J-e-f-f-A:

resno: Sounds like the video drivers are borked, or the right ones aren't installed...

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redparchel1:

good evening, is there a way to "stop" a recording [example my frontend didnt exit cleanly and i'd like to ssh into my backend and WITHOUT restarting the backend kill the session/connection]

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mangus580:

on mythweb, I see on the top, 'Recording Schedules' and 'Upcoming Recordings'

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redparchel1:

the backend thinks the front end is still watching live tv

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mangus580:

on the Recording scheudles page, I dont see a place to click 'find showings of this program'

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wagnerrp:

redparchel1: if you know your way around the backend protocol page, you can stop a recording

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wagnerrp:

err... backend protocol socket

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wagnerrp:

better option, hit 'delete' in the recordings page in mythweb

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redparchel1:

wagnerrp: thank you! i didn't even think of that!

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redparchel1:

eh i'd have to start x then ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: Click on "Recording Schedules", then the title of your schedule, then "find showings..."

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wagnerrp:

you REALLY shouldnt be tinkering with that backend socket

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wagnerrp:

that was a joke

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wagnerrp:

and you dont have any other machine you can run a web browser on?

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redparchel1:

of course i do

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wagnerrp:

you dont have a copy of links/lynx?

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wagnerrp:

then you dont have to start X

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wagnerrp:

just use a different computer

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tank-man:

kill the backend then start it up, that will stop the livetv rec

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wagnerrp:

tank-man: no it wont, the backend will restart the recording when it starts back up

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redparchel1:

i guess i should have asked: what's the cleanest way to stop a live tv session from the terminal

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wagnerrp:

redparchel1: there isnt

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redparchel1:

ok :) thank you

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mangus580:

Jeff, I dont have a 'find showings' button

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mangus580:

although, this was a manual job

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redparchel1:

i'll use the mythweb way

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kormoc:

send a escape to the telnet interface?

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resno:

J-e-f-f-A: would compiz cause problems like that?

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: if the frontend were running, obviously he wouldnt be concerned about having to start up X

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kormoc:

ooh, missed that

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wagnerrp:

although shouldnt the backend clean up after itself?

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kormoc:

yup

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wagnerrp:

i mean i figured it would have said 'no more mythfrontend, no more livetv...'

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: Humm... I dunno – I don't do manual recordings... humm...

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wagnerrp:

and killed it on its own

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: when the fe socket closes, it should kill it, yes

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mangus580:

I just wanted to record a 5 min clip to check it out

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CyberKnet:

Hello kormoc.

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** kormoc tips his hat **

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CyberKnet:

My boss left for another job the other week. Noticed today that he never mailed the TIBSOTE package over to you

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CyberKnet:

I'll see about getting that in the mail asap. Anxious to start that experiment.

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kormoc:

Sounds good :)

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mangus580:

so back to the PVR500

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mangus580:

is that my best choice in that priceline?

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resno:

is there an easy way to uninstall mythtv frontend and back when installed from repositories?

[02:29:23]

Wicked:

id assume with your package manager.

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wagnerrp:

resno: that would be up to whatever distro you use

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resno:

Wicked: didnt install through package manger

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wagnerrp:

oh, from svn

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wagnerrp:

yeah, if you have 'configured' the source

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: I love the Hauppauge PVR cards... IMHO they can't be beat for analog recording...

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wagnerrp:

there is a 'make uninstall' option

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Wicked:

oh svn repo.

[02:30:18]

Wicked:

my bad

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Wicked:

yea make uninstall :)

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mangus580:

thats what I will do then J-e-f-f-A

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mangus580:

can I expect the quality to be as good as the cable company's dvr?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: I found my PVR cards to be as clear as 'raw' Dish SD – with the resolution and bitrate set sufficiently high enough. But surprising enough, I record most of my 'watch once, then throw away' stuff at 400x480, and it looks quite good.

[02:34:39]

J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: anything that I care about I record at 720x480

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mangus580:

thats kinda my plan

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mangus580:

I dont have HD tv's so I dont need to get fancy :-D

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: feed the Hauppauge card S-Video and composite audio. PS: 400x480 looks pretty incredible on an SD TV. (very suprising...)

[02:35:45]

rushfan:

When I launch mythtv I get this error: QGLContext::makeCurrent(): Cannot make invalid context current.

[02:35:51]

rushfan:

How can I get MythTV to use the Qt Painter?

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mangus580:

J-e-f-f-A: how would I get the PVR card to control my cable box?

[02:36:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

rushfan: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Override_settings

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rushfan:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: with an IR blaster...

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mangus580:

which I would need one of for each box?

[02:37:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: Yeah... and if they both use the same IR code set, seperate instances of lirc too... (My dish receivers can be set to 9 different code sets, so I get away with one instance of lirc)

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mangus580:

where would I find such an IR blaster?

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mangus580:

ie. suggestions?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: if you've got a couple of hardware serial ports on your backend box, you can roll your own (if you're electronics savvy...) see the 'homebrew' section of lirc.org — if you're not, this site has what seems to be a good solution: http://iguanaworks.net/product1.psp (I don't have one, but it seems to be an almost plug & play solution)

[02:42:50]

J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: I'd get the transmitter with dual plugs, then two 'smarthome wired' emitters... only issue is that it's $50 total for that combo...

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mangus580:

reading on making one

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: A really simple one: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/ir_blaster.jpg You'd need two, and two serial ports...

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mangus580:

yeah, I think my board only has one!

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: Yeah, although the guanworks one seems pricey... lirc can be a real *bleep* to setup, so if I had to do it over, I'd probably get their unit...

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mangus580:

http://www.irblaster.info/

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: That's basically exactly what's in the pic I linked to you... just pre-made, so you don't have to assemble it... still need a real, hardware serial port to drive it.

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mangus580:

right, which I have 1 of

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mangus580:

so I could get the dual output, premade for $23 :-)

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: http://hackaday.com/2009/09/22/introduction-t . . . itbang-mode/

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clever:

J-e-f-f-A: with certain usb serial port adapters, you can have full control of ~10 pins on the chip, letting you whack out non-standard wave forms like old serial ports

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J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Yeah, but that can't reliably be bit-banged to produce a 40khz IR carrier...

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clever:

you just need the right drivers

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clever:

yeah, the only problem is the acuracy at 40khz

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: That's why the guanworks one is more appealing... it apparently "Just works"... and has up to 4 independent channels...

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mangus580:

yeah, we will see

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mangus580:

low budget here :-( still unemployted

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mangus580:

well unemployed that is

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: So start with a single home-made blaster (and thus single tuner) on your serial port to get your feet wet, then go from there...

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mangus580:

right

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mangus580:

I might just start without the cable boxes... and use basic cable

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: That would work, if your provider is broadcasting analog... Many are switching to 100% digital since that recent ruling...

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mangus580:

ours so far does analog

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mangus580:

if they switch to 100% digital, it makes buying the PVR500 a waste

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mangus580:

I should just get a single tuner card then

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mangus580:

since I can only do one s-video/composite input one the 500, right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: I've heard some complaints about analog tuner quality on the PVr-500's... I've never used the tuner portion, just the S-Video inputs, so I can't comment one way or the other though.

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: No, you can do two s-video inputs – with the 2nd input connector...

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mangus580:

I didnt see a 2nd connector on the picture of the one I looked at?

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mangus580:

or is there a ribbon cable that is supposed to come with it, with another terminal set?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/ac . . . uct=av_cable

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mangus580:

bingo

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mangus580:

ok

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: It may or may not ship with it- but that's what you need/want... ;-)

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mangus580:

yeah, I am doubting the one I found ships with it

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mangus580:

since it doesnt have the standard plate for a desktop case

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mangus580:

its a 'custom' bracket

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: http://registration.hauppauge.com/webstore/im . . . av_cable.jpg

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mangus580:

makes sense

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: I'ts my understanding you can contact hauppauge and get the 'standard' bracket for it -for free.

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mangus580:

whats the other header plug for on the card?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: for the 2nd video inputs of the 1st tuner – a waste imho... (s-video2, video2 on tuner1)

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mangus580:

ahh, so this cable would plug into both

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: Yeah, but plugged into the 'var' header is S-video1/Video1 of the 2nd tuner, which is what you want.

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mangus580:

right

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J-e-f-f-A:

"far' even... ;-)

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mangus580:

I can see reasons for the second ports on the first tuner though

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J-e-f-f-A:

I can't... at least for MythTV...

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mangus580:

say you had a dish, and cabletv

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mangus580:

and you normally run one box on both tuners

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mangus580:

but say the dish has a couple odd channels cable cant get

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mangus580:

and thats on input 2 of the first tuner

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mangus580:

you could take advantage of it then

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mangus580:

(in theory)

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: Yep, if you setup Dish on Tuner1/S-Video1 and Cable on Tuner1/S-Video2, you could only record one or the other, not both at the same time.

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mangus580:

it would take priority, and switch the first tuner based on that recording

[03:02:07]

mangus580:

right

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mangus580:

agreed

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mangus580:

I guess I am saying it leaves some flexability

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mangus580:

thats all :-)

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mangus580:

not that I will buy the extra cable for it!

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: Perhaps... ;-) I've had my 500 for 3+ years and never used the -2 input on it... ;-)

[03:03:27]

mangus580:

:-)

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mangus580:

I am begining to wonder if I should start iwth only 1 500 now

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mangus580:

instead of 2

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mangus580:

although the idea of 4 recording/watching streams is very appealing

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: Hehe... did you already order 2?

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mangus580:

no

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mangus580:

but at $40 a piece, 2 is VERY tempting

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: You could always order one, and the usb IR blaster... ;-) Then you'd have a fully-functional 2-tuner myth box quickly.

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J-e-f-f-A:

mangus580: Then again, you've got the option of Analog cable... so... humm.....

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mangus580:

right

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mangus580:

I shouldnt need to worry about the CPU speed on a machine if I am using the PVR500, right?

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squidly:

mangus580: depends

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mangus580:

on?

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squidly:

on your setup

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mangus580:

um ok

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mangus580:

:-)

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squidly:

but overall it should not really affect your system. My abackend get hit hard with the transcode after I get the video from the PVR-150

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squidly:

:D

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RyeBrye:

running a transcode on it would be heavy, yes

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mangus580:

which I may want to do

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RyeBrye:

if you are going to transcode it anyway, why not use a framegrabber?

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mangus580:

what CPU speed are you running?

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squidly:

mangus580: my backend is AMD64 2.2ghz

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mangus580:

yikes, and you are hurting that?

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mangus580:

I guess I gotta think things through a little

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squidly:

AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+

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squidly:

mangus580: its not just a backend

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mangus580:

understood

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mangus580:

neither is mine

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squidly:

it's a fileserver, dns server, ldap server, torrent server

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mangus580:

yeah, same here

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mangus580:

at least thats teh current plan

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mangus580:

I may build a backend server seperate still

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squidly:

and it's doing 4 software raids

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mangus580:

well THAT i am not doing!

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squidly:

I'm going to be moving to a seperate frontend at some point

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mangus580:

I wil be back in a few, I need to go out and milk the goat, then run to McD's for a McFlurry!

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squidly:

the raids only affect when I have to do a rebuild,

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kormoc:

Is that what the kids are calling it these days...

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squidly:

over all the pvr-150 will do well for you with SD

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squidly:

forget HD

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squidly:

kormoc: I think so

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mangus580_ranoff:

no, REALLY... http://mangusnet.com/home/?q=taxonomy/term/31

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** J-e-f-f-A shudders... **

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mangus580_ranoff:

sorry, my one boy is allergic to cows milk

[03:15:19]

mangus580_ranoff:

so this is our fix

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squidly:

mangus580_ranoff: there are things for lactos intollerance

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squidly:

or they bottle goats milk

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mangus580_ranoff:

squidly: yes there are things... but its not a lactose issue... anything that had coes milk has been an issue

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mangus580_ranoff:

and bottled goat milk doesnt mow your lawn!

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squidly:

lol

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mangus580_ranoff:

one of them was play 'leaf vac' today

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mangus580_ranoff:

she was walking along, eating every leaf off the ground in her path

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mangus580_ranoff:

was kinda funny

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mangus580_ranoff:

anyone know why I get the error "Could not create a symlink to...." on my video page?

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mangus580_ranoff:

its for the artwork directory

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro, sphery: when iamlindoro set up some system with a bunch of appletv frontends, there was comment by sphery on a workaround for making multirec work with livetv

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wagnerrp:

one where you set up each digital tuner with one tuner

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wagnerrp:

and then add in the extra virtual tuners later

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wagnerrp:

sometime between then and now, i dumped all my tuners, and set them up in the preceding manner

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wagnerrp:

and now im getting all sorts of dropped recordings

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wagnerrp:

is it possible that is the cause?

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sphery:

shouldn't be

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sphery:

you mean you did: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/369358#369358

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sphery:

when you say dropped recordings, do you mean conflicts or it starts recording but they fail to finish recording?

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wagnerrp:

well i didnt do #1, but then i dont really use livetv either except for testing

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wagnerrp:

i mean it comes time to record, and then it just doesnt record

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sphery:

conflicts could be caused if you do 1+1+1 kind of set up

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sphery:

it's possible your input connections may be messed up

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sphery:

but the approach works

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wagnerrp:

the tuners all work fine individually

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sphery:

(though I recommend the final approach--set them up with 3 each, then go back and add 1 after)

[03:59:20]

sphery:

well, livetv isn't a good test of whether the connections are right

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sphery:

only whether the card is working

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wagnerrp:

they all use the same source, if thats what you mean

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sphery:

if you actually do a test with a recording on each, that would verify that they're all working

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wagnerrp:

or were you referring to the physical cable

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sphery:

the Input Connections part of mythtv-setup

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sphery:

(which ties together capture card, input, and video source)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, theyre all set to the same source

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wagnerrp:

i had a channel change issue when i tried to use the HDHR on my freebsd backend

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wagnerrp:

but in that case, it would record a couple seconds before dropping out

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sphery:

but I can't really see some of them working for recordings and some not

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wagnerrp:

so i doubt thats the same thing

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sphery:

and I can't see recordings working sometimes but not othertimes due to that config /or/ an input connections config problem, so I think the not recording is unrelated

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sphery:

yeah, just make sure your channel change script exits with a 0 exit code

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sphery:

and that you don't have a pre-tune to channel

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wagnerrp:

(digital)

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wagnerrp:

(HDHR)

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sphery:

ah, I was thinking HD-PVR

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sphery:

nvm

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wagnerrp:

so no channel change script, no pretune

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wagnerrp:

heres another thing, i tried recording something on PBS last night, and the logs complained it couldnt find the channel

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wagnerrp:

so i killed the recording, flipped over to livetv, and the channel works just fine

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sphery:

that sounds like either a timeout issue

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wagnerrp:

i told it to re-record, and it recorded just fine

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wagnerrp:

same thing happening on the same channel tonight

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sphery:

or a need for a rescan

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sphery:

(which may sometimes work due to quick tuning or whatever)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, a rescan seems to be in order

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wagnerrp:

getting this antenna working would be a better plan

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sphery:

yeah, antennae tend to be important to OTA reception

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sphery:

so it would be good to get that working

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Not sure what to do to lower the number of files checked-- it's the same file types we've always checked, we just have more image types now

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wagnerrp:

just need to figure out something to do to get the VHF

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wagnerrp:

well ive got 50 minutes to figure out this issue

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wagnerrp:

re-showing at 1am

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RyeBrye:

so are they really going to make claire dyke out in heroes this season to raise viewer interest? if so – that dark haired girl really isn't going to do the trick

[04:10:00]

** RyeBrye debates removing Heroes from his recording list **

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wagnerrp:

cant girls sit around in their underwear late at night without being gay? i mean guys do it all the time...

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mangus580:

LOL Rye... you are funny!

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, yeah, I'm just thinking that checking for 90 files is going to hurt people with slower backends. would be nice if we could just get a list and check the list on the frontend, but that might take more time.

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wagnerrp:

full range cable scan, with test decryptability... this is going to take a while...

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Hmm, yeah, that feels cleaner :)

[04:15:01]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, It would be nice to be able to catch any available files, but I'm open to a better way of doing it

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sphery:

maybe a remote version of QDir::entryList() with Filters and all

[04:15:50]

wagnerrp:

check files with a wildcard?

[04:15:57]

sphery:

yeah, that :)

[04:16:13]

sphery:

think this is the first time I typed faster than wagnerrp

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mangus580:

https://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164939/9-29-2009 . . . -38%20AM.jpg

[04:16:23]

mangus580:

any ideas why I am getting this error? (ie how do I fix it)

[04:16:23]

wagnerrp:

and more specific to boot

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Ah, based on the just-now commit it seems you want be on your way to a fix already? Sorry, I've been out this evening

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: any reason you cant just get a directory listing, and scan for the files you want locally?

[04:17:35]

wagnerrp:

mangus580: failed link

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, no problem. I'll give you a pastebin in a sec to look at how non-invasive it was.

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: ok? where should I look for such a failed link?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, it's based on the old QDir stuff that we always used

[04:18:23]

wagnerrp:

mangus580: no, i mean you sent a bad link, i cant open the page

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, we'd need to extend the protocol to be efficient. the current Get SG File List routine gets size, etc. we just want the list of filenames in this case.

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mangus580:

oh, sorry

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** iamlindoro didn't write a fair amount of this in the first place, so don't ask him about design decisions :) **

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mangus580:

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164939/9-29-2009%2012-13-38%20AM.jpg try that one?

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wagnerrp:

ones without spaces are preferred as well

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mangus580:

yeah... I figured out where to get the link from

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mangus580:

just got getdropbox

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mangus580:

sorry

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wagnerrp:

still 404

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sphery:

wow, The Beautiful Life cancelled after just 2 episodes.

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mangus580:

strange, just worked here

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mangus580:

ok, lemme put it someplace else

[04:20:03]

wagnerrp:

it could be fubar'd by beirdo's log

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mangus580:

http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/2164939/error.jpg

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sphery:

mangus580: rm -r the /path/to/mythweb/data/video_covers dir

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mangus580:

try that?

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sphery:

(that's data/video_covers

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wagnerrp:

that one works

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mangus580:

where is that dir in a stock install?

[04:20:52]

sphery:

and check your filesystem permissions--remembering that the apache httpd user has to write to the data dir

[04:21:14]

sphery:

and check for apache config like SymlinksIfOwnerMatch or whatever

[04:21:39]

sphery:

and ensure you have the AllowOverride specified in the MythWeb README

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mangus580:

here is the odd thing... it worked... ONCE

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1583730

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JEDIDIAH__:

2 episodes? you would think they had more than that in the can before it premiered.

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wagnerrp:

mangus580: yeah, ive had that issue before, dont remember what i did to fix it

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wagnerrp:

it works once, creates the symlink, refuses to work a second time

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wagnerrp:

you delete the symlink, it works once more

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mangus580:

where is the /mythweb/data/video_covers dir supposed to be?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, nice, that's not bad at all

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wagnerrp:

its where ever you set it in VideoArtworkDir

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mangus580:

ok

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sphery:

it's a symlink to the dir you set

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Captain_Murdoch:

I want to make a dataCache like the settingsCache later, so we could store things like this and they would be cleared when the settings cache was cleared. need to think that through some though.

[04:23:50]

sphery:

right?

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wagnerrp:

if you have your web server on a machine different from your frontend, you will have to set up mythvideo properly

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wagnerrp:

or go in and edit the database entries manually, or in the limited capacity that mythweb provides

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mangus580:

they are on the same machine

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Yeah, that makes a lot of sense... might want to change the warning in mythtv-setup at the same time

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Right now it says there will be no image downloads, can just change the warning to say that downloads will go to the video SG

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, /me goes to look for that.

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wagnerrp:

surprising, my cableco has started dropping various channels (i dont watch) from analog, but not putting anything digital in its place

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: programs/mythtv-setup/checksetup.cpp at checkImageStoragePaths()

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, thanks. :) will get that in after I commit the MV change.

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sphery:

I was just in there a short while ago

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: while youre here, couple things i noticed about the frontend socket

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wagnerrp:

both 'space' and 'enter' bring up the on screen keyboard, but it is never given focus, so it is unusable

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wagnerrp:

arguably, you really dont need the OSK at all, but its a problem for using the space key

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wagnerrp:

maybe if it could be disabled

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive had trouble with the OSK also, mainly with the joystick

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clever:

the 'select' button activates it, but cant use it, so i have to pull out a keyboard

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clever:

another related problem, is that the space bar activates it, so i cant type a space if i have a real keyboard

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clever:

i should just disable the thing

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clever:

if i could find that

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wagnerrp:

there's a difference in the order of 'location' information provided while in livetv or recorded, versus when in video

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Great improvement, thanks a lot

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, And likely saves me from a fair number of complaints :)

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wagnerrp:

i was going to put up a patch to correct that, for consistency, but got lost when it called MythEvent, i couldnt figure out where it went from there

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, yeah, that's what I was trying to head off.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'll probably just have 1 dir with all image groups pointed at it. another fix would be to store the images in the exact same dir as the video, but that would be a more invasive change.

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iamlindoro:

Storing all the images in the video dir would be really messy to me-- at least, requiring it

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iamlindoro:

I'm cool with people choosing to do it, I just wouldn't want them all dumped in there myself :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, that's why I didn't even consider that now.

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clever:

wagnerrp: where can i disable the OSK?

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Captain_Murdoch:

I agree, 4 images per 1 video can be messy in the same dir.

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wagnerrp:

clever: no idea

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, That said, I think that between this and all we've built thus far, I think we've got pretty nice flexbility

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I might put more (aka some) TV into MV if I started archiving to DVD. I can't see keeping around some TV shows I like on spinning platters, but could see putting them on DVD in h264 format and being able to pop in a DVD and play them back.

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'd still like to have an 'Archived' Storage Group that was for off-line recordings.

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, that's an idea I admit I hadn't given much thought to

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iamlindoro:

But it's something I wanted to give some attention to for .23

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: it would probably be a lot easier (and not considerably more expensive) to have hard drives you pop in

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Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, the code is the same no matter what media people want to use.

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wagnerrp:

code, sure... ive just had to recover an array off a bunch of DVD backups i once made

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mangus580:

ok, deleted the link that was there

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mangus580:

refreshed the page

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mangus580:

works once

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wagnerrp:

it was not a pleasurable experience

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mangus580:

then fails again

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jst_home:

anyone here know how to get more useful info about a frontend that appears to not communicate with the backend any more, and gives the socket error "writeStringList: Error, invalid string list." in the log? (recent trunk build)

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mangus580:

just like you said wagnerrp

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Captain_Murdoch:

my Archived Storage Group idea would also include writing out the metadata in an xml or similar file so it could be read back in later. possibly even having Watch Recordings read in these xml files and merging with the recording list from the backend.

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wagnerrp:

i almost considered buying one of those firewire changers like GreyFoxx has to make things easier on me

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: i actually have some partial code for that purpose (in script form)

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jst_home:

Captain_Murdoch: hey there, FYI, I figured out that deadlock that you started to help me look into last week or so. Filed a ticket with a patch n' all, and it got checked in (with some other improvements to it).

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, :) I have a set of scripts for moving recordings between master backends.

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Captain_Murdoch:

jst_home, yeah, I saw Daniel take it and get it committed.

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Captain_Murdoch:

thanks for debugging

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wagnerrp:

working on some code to synchronize a subset of data from mythtv to a hard drive

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wagnerrp:

which when inserted into a disconnected machine, would flush the existing data, and insert the new data on the drive into the database

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jst_home:

Captain_Murdoch: thanks for helping :)

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JEDIDIAH__:

when disks get bigger, I will do that with dvd rips. Now I just do that with everything else (copy between networked machines)

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JEDIDIAH__:

ion box, 320G,mostly unused.

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JEDIDIAH__:

it's like a time machine backup drive but more useful

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wagnerrp:

something for my parents to grab while heading out for the weekend, instead of having to fill up a CD sleeve

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, my scripts use sql, so they require same-version backends, but I'll probably do something with that sometime soon since my 2nd master is probably too puny to run 0.22. It's a Via 733 chip.

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wagnerrp:

anyway, suggestion on where i can start looking to follow where that MythEvent call goes?

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, yeah, I'd like to have a portable system that could play through the DVD monitor in my SUV. if Watch Recordings read these xml files that would handle it easy. you wouldn't even have to import, just copy the mpg and xml files to a hard drive, plug it into the remote system and watch away.

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wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: i intended to have some udev set up to auto-run some script on the hard drive upon insertion to manage all of that

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wagnerrp:

so if their wants exceeded one drive, the could pop out one drive, in the other, wait a few seconds, and have a new library

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Captain_Murdoch:

I'd like for it to not even have to touch the DB, but that might not be possible. if Myth understood the concept of an archived file, even the seektable could be loaded from the same place as the video and xml.

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mangus580:

anyone here have a solution for watching recordings from a windows mobile device?

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wagnerrp:

mangus580: create a userjob capable of transcoding to a format the device can play

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wagnerrp:

you might want to try the ipod export scripts

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wagnerrp:

one of them may have a profile already set up for that platform

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Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, that's the idea, but there would be no waiting required. just exit/reenter a screen, or hit a key to refresh, or have an event triggered by the media hander.

[04:49:01]

wagnerrp:

but then who would need more than one hard drive

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wagnerrp:

i mean 2TB is enough for anyone isnt it?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I have one bank of 5 1.5TB drives and am working on another.

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JEDIDIAH__:

actually, the second bank only has 3 old 750G drives but you get the idea.

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wagnerrp:

JEDIDIAH__: yeah, total advertised space under this roof is currently just shy of 10TB

[04:51:17]

wagnerrp:

of course iamlindoro over there has that much in unused disks sitting on his desk

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JEDIDIAH__:

after the steady stream of disk upgrades on the old master backend I decided I needed something more convenient that would not require opening the case for a mere disk upgrade.

[04:51:52]

JEDIDIAH__:

...although that old desktop case handled the 6 drives I crammed into pretty well.

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jst_home:

wagnerrp: you got any sort of redundancy with 10TB?

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wagnerrp:

jst_home: thats 'advertised', meaning the decimal (not binary) values of the drives, and not including redundant disks

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wagnerrp:

about 5.5TB of that is usable, redundant storage

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jst_home:

wagnerrp: running raid-5, or something easier to deal with?

[04:54:21]

wagnerrp:

9xRAID6, and a 2xRAID1

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jst_home:

cool

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wagnerrp:

hardware, so relatively little difficulty there

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jst_home:

gotcha

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jst_home:

wagnerrp: have you had the pleasure of dealing with failing drives in a raid yet? :)

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wagnerrp:

jst_home: yeah, my controller sends me an email, i pull the drive, ship it off for warranty replacement, swap in a new drive, and automatically rebuild, all without even taking the array offline

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jst_home:

wagnerrp: awesome... I went through that once here too, also a hardware raid-5 (scsi)

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jst_home:

wagnerrp: I was within a month of the 5 year warranty :)

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jst_home:

on the right side of it, even

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wagnerrp:

at that point, its hardly worth the effort

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jst_home:

well, it was a 15krpm seagate, but yeah, it's pretty outdated

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wagnerrp:

2 years seems to be the functional limit of an array for me

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jst_home:

and it will be replaced shortly

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wagnerrp:

i bought my card mid 06 with a bunch of 300GBs

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wagnerrp:

now my array of 750s is about out of space, and im looking to upgrade again

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jst_home:

wagnerrp: oh, interesting... I'm probably running on 6+ years here, with only one out of 4 disks having failed on me so far...

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jst_home:

but yeah, it could blow any day

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mangus580:

man, I could use a few disks LOL

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jst_home:

which is why it's redundant on top of the raid-5 as well :)

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wagnerrp:

the card is still running great, but the disks are getting too small for my taste

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jst_home:

wagnerrp: how do you go about upgrading the disks in that raid, can you do it one by one and grow the partitions on it, or do you start over?

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wagnerrp:

start over

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jst_home:

k

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wagnerrp:

i leave enough room to build a new array, and transfer the data over

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wagnerrp:

or at least the first time i did

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wagnerrp:

this time, ive only got three ports open, and thats only if i pull the mirror

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jst_home:

What I'd love to be able to do is to do a software raid-5 and be able to swap out the disks for bigger ones down the road w/o needing to rebuild the whole array and figure out how to copy the data over. I haven't figured out if that's possible yet tho...

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wagnerrp:

i know if youre using LVM, you can take the raid offline, and move the volume over

[05:07:43]

wagnerrp:

it should pick up the existing volume on the new disk without rebuilding

[05:07:53]

wagnerrp:

(conjecture having never used LVM)

[05:08:26]

jst_home:

yeah, that's where I'm at too, I've heard it should be doable with LVM, but I've never used LVM either...

[05:08:38]

clever:

ive used lvm alot

[05:08:41]

jst_home:

I need to read up more on that before I build my next big array...

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jst_home:

clever: ever done the above?

[05:08:58]

clever:

what exactly did you want to do?

[05:09:03]

clever:

swap a disk out for something larger?

[05:09:16]

wagnerrp:

specifically, without rebuilding

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jst_home:

clever: grow a raid-5 by either adding disks or replacing existing disks with bigger ones, w/o needing to move the data from the old array to a new one

[05:10:00]

jst_home:

or something raid-5 like

[05:10:24]

clever:

the best i can think of, is to make many smaller raid5's (less to rebuild)

[05:10:29]

clever:

and then merge them together with lvm

[05:11:18]

clever:

from what i understand of raid5, you would have to rebuild that array if any disk in it is replaced(though it can fully rebuild that disk without needing the old one)

[05:11:33]

clever:

not shure on resizing, it may need to rewrite all the drives in the 5

[05:12:12]

wagnerrp:

resizing, it should just be able to initialize the new space without migrating old data around

[05:12:26]

jst_home:

I'd actually be fine with the raid needing to be rebuilt behind the covers, as long as I can take a disk out, put a new bigger one in, have it fill up, repeat, and end up with a volume that's bigger than the old one

[05:13:43]

clever:

in theory, it could continue to rebuild an entire missing disk while still allowing access

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jst_home:

right, that part I know works (been though that)

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clever:

it would just need to track what blocks its rebuilt, and build some out of order(the ones you need to access)

[05:14:34]

clever:

the same could be done with a resize i think

[05:14:36]

jst_home:

clever: what I don't know is what happens to the extra space that didn't use to be part of the array once all the disks have been replaced with bigger ones

[05:15:01]

clever:

it may have to shuffle all the data arround to make better use of the new space

[05:15:13]

jst_home:

quite possibly, yeah

[05:15:27]

clever:

but if the driver is writen properly, you should still be able to use it(with reduced performance) while that happens

[05:15:48]

jst_home:

I think I need to test that out someday...

[05:16:31]

clever:

dang, core dump from the master be

[05:16:50]

clever:

odd, its not dumping in the usual place

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clever:

pid 9220 9220 status 256 normal? 1, cont 50

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clever:

ugh, backend log is 2gig again

[05:19:10]

clever:

jst_home: yeah, ive got a few things in lvm id like to play with and learn

[05:19:15]

clever:

but i dont want to risk 1tb of data:P

[05:19:22]

clever:

and have nowhere to back it up to

[05:20:02]

clever:

which is why ive lvm'd usb sticks together in the past:P

[05:20:27]

clever:

raid up a few usb sticks and hack away at it to see how the rebuilds work

[05:21:03]

jst_home:

clever: yeah, I'm thinking creating files on disk and using those as block devices for testing :)

[05:21:16]

clever:

that works too, most of the time

[05:21:58]

clever:

some things cant be simulated though, like riping a disk out while your writing to the array :P

[05:22:19]

clever:

dont think losetup would allow that

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jst_home:

heh, yeah, probably

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clever:

but it would help alot to see how it deals with sata controler failures or explosive disk failure:P

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meshe:

ouch, it's going to take 24 hours to backup my myth drives

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jedlhl:

join #android

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Penth:

Raid'ing USB sticks... aptly named, clever :)

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mangus580:

ok, got that stupid link problem fixed!

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wagnerrp:

it looks like i get WGN in HD now

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mangus580:

wagnerrp: do you know anything about UPnP?

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mangus580:

with respect to mythtv

[06:50:09]

wagnerrp:

some, what do you need to know?

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mangus580:

well, I installed a UPnP client on my winmo phone and I am not seeing the myth box

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mangus580:

(on wifi)

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wagnerrp:

you have your backend set up to be visible on the network?

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mangus580:

ie, by having a real IP addy, correct?

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wagnerrp:

it has an accessible address as the master backend IP?

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mangus580:

yes

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wagnerrp:

(as opposed to localhost)

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wagnerrp:

your subnets are correct?

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mangus580:

believe so, yes

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wagnerrp:

so both the phone and mythtv show up with the same broadcast address

[06:52:59]

mangus580:

yes

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wagnerrp:

not sure what else there is besides that

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mangus580:

k

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wagnerrp:

you may need to add routes for the multicast range, but ive never had to

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wagnerrp:

that would be 224.0.0.0 to 239.0.0.0

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wagnerrp:

239.255.255.255

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mangus580:

xmbc isnt finding it either

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wagnerrp:

youre not running the backend with '-noupnp'?

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mangus580:

no

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mangus580:

I presume thats how it would get turned off?

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wagnerrp:

thats a flag to disable it, if it is causing problems

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wagnerrp:

there are no other settings that im aware of

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mangus580:

k

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mangus580:

ok, got 2 other questions

[07:01:07]

mangus580:

1.....

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mangus580:

how can I set mythbackend to start upon boot

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mangus580:

(the link in the instructions is no good)

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mangus580:

2.....

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mangus580:

how can I shut down the backend when its running!

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mangus580:

fixed the UPnP

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mangus580:

seems that when you set the IP... you need to set it in BOTH boxes

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mangus580:

I misread the instructions for the master before

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mangus580:

I at least see files now

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clever:

mangus580: if the current ip == master ip, then it starts as master

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clever:

if you only change one, and it doesnt match, it becomes a slave, and tryes to connect to the master

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mangus580:

understood

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clever:

which probly doesnt exist anymore

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mangus580:

I had the current ip set right, but the master as the local host

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clever:

ah

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clever:

so it thought it was a slave, and then connected to itself to find the master

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mangus580:

got my UPnP to list the files but they wont play :-(

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dserban:

any reason why recordings are showing up in mythweb, but not on the myth frontend?

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sphery:

dserban: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . ecordings.3F

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dserban:

sphery, thank you

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justinh:

that default should *definitely* be changed IMHO

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justinh:

if it's not already been

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justinh:

heh. you get tempted to be drawn back into theming, then you read a thread about a new theme on the -users ML. Suddenly you're content to sit idly back & do nothing again

[08:10:04]

justinh:

oh, that and the threads about ticket 6382

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iamlindoro:

FWIW the theme is mostly other people's themes :)

[08:11:25]

justinh:

having seen all the screenshots I've changed my mind about it. Bad news ;)

[08:11:38]

justinh:

but I'll keep quiet about that. don't kick the man, etc

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iamlindoro:

HOLY SHIT!

[08:12:40]

iamlindoro:

I just solved the freaking textedit horizontal goo line bug

[08:13:21]

iamlindoro:

The one that makes me insane

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iamlindoro:

ready for this?

[08:13:48]

iamlindoro:

- m_Text->SetDrawRectSize(stringSize.width(), textRect.height());

[08:13:49]

iamlindoro:

+ m_Text->SetDrawRectSize(stringSize.width()+1, textRect.height());

[08:14:25]

justinh:

one pixel? lol

[08:14:31]

iamlindoro:

yep, hahaha

[08:15:08]

justinh:

there's another issue where weird things can happen with text if the drawrect is the wrong size

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justinh:

in hindsight, it's pretty obvious now. Heh

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iamlindoro:

yeah, solved it first, then understood it

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iamlindoro:

ie, *duh* of course you need the padding pixel

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justinh:

I have a suggestion for trac btw. Anybody posts a feature request without a patch, ban their ass for 6 months

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iamlindoro:

haha

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iamlindoro:

I like your suggestion more than f-m-u's

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justinh:

people would just go silly with mad ideas. one percent would actually be good workable ones but it'd be hard to spot them among all the dross

[08:19:39]

justinh:

look at the crazy shit in the wiki. jees

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iamlindoro:

I've tried so very hard to be courteous in that thread, but I give up on it

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justinh:

yeah. winding up being called a cancerous sore on the arse of open source can be demotivating ;)

[08:20:40]

justinh:

or a nazi

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iamlindoro:

For anyone not doing the work, OSS seems to mean "give me whatever I want because we're a COMMUNITY DONTCHAKNOW"

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iamlindoro:

Meanwhile most real communities put the non-contributors on an ice floe

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justinh:

yup

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justinh:

wonder what it's like with paid-for software

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justinh:

worse, or better...

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justinh:

expecting a nasty flame to come my way soon. somebody mentioned something about "wouldn't XBMC make an excellent..." and I replied with "if by excellent you mean its UI hogs the CPU, and at times seems unresponsive & unable to play the simplest of files..."

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iamlindoro:

I dunno, but if someone's paying me for it I'm a lot more likely to put up with stuff

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justinh:

I'm not sure money is much compensation for the kind of things people say

[08:24:51]

justinh:

depends how much money you're talking about :)

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iamlindoro:

I am quite glad that I learned to ignore requests and suggestsions from non-helpful people before I started contributing ;)

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justinh:

feature request... how the hell... ? "Ability to rename existing recordings: ". DUH.

[08:27:27]

justinh:

shows how often people read that junk ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

I actually took all the non-insane MythVideo ones and implemented them

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iamlindoro:

and deleted the really insane ones

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iamlindoro:

and left the ones that might be okay if I find the time

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justinh:

they'll be back

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justinh:

ROFLMAO WTF.. "MythTV Frontend and backend runnning on a Casio fx7000G (1985) pocket calculator "

[08:29:13]

** justinh goes in and adds WORLD PEACE **

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justinh:

well, that's me sufficiently demotivated. Now to a different distraction

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justinh:

hrm. the AMP website fails again. My search for 'sata' resulted in some findings. Great. 2 of those were in a category called 'mini' Great! I'm looking for mini sata power connectors. So click on the mini category & it lists HDMI connectors. Grrr

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loki_:

hi

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loki_:

i'm using a pvr-150 on my box, and i'm getting glitches while playing a recording and recording livetv

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justinh:

define 'glitches'

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loki_:

i'v already changed the latency of my sata drive to 176, but it doesnt seems to change anything

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loki_:

well error in the mpeg strem, with compression artefacts

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justinh:

all in one box?

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loki_:

yup

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justinh:

how about if you stop mythbackend & just cat /dev/video0 into mplayer.. what then?

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loki_:

i'll try that

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loki_:

another issue, while playing divx video, i get some slowdown (frame rate is dropping)

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loki_:

i'm using vdpau and my box is mainly in idle

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justinh:

sounds like your system is underpowered

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justinh:

or CPU frequency scaling is being used, in which case you should disable that

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loki_:

i dont experience this using mplayer only with internal player

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justinh:

screw mplayer

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justinh:

mplayer is irrelevant

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loki_:

execept it does works fine

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justinh:

irrelevant

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loki_:

my box has a X2@2Ghz with 3gb ram i dont think its underpowered, but yes i'm using frequency scaling (because the box is idling most of the time if not all the time)

[09:29:47]

justinh:

FWIW VDPAU won't accelerate xvid playback on all but the very newest nvidia cards

[09:30:06]

justinh:

so disable frequency scaling

[09:30:11]

loki_:

true, yet decompressing divx only eat 5% of my cpu

[09:30:23]

justinh:

so that's the CPU doing it. not the GPU

[09:30:32]

loki_:

when running at hits slowest speed (1ghz)

[09:30:36]

justinh:

so?

[09:30:59]

loki_:

so mplayer is working fine like this

[09:31:05]

justinh:

mplayer NOTHING

[09:31:09]

loki_:

why not internal player?

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justinh:

turn off CPU freq scaling. I told you already

[09:32:11]

loki_:

it's an esay answer... internal player is fine just turn off cpu freq scaling, when mplayer is ok

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justinh:

mplayer != internal player

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anykey_:

why don't you try disabling cpu freq scaling?

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justinh:

saying one thing works while another one doesn't is just pointless. they're DIFFERENT

[09:35:01]

loki_:

justinh, well that means there is an issue with the broken thing

[09:35:07]

justinh:

and claiming that a player is using VDPAU just because it's not using much CPU.. when VDPAU doesn't actually support xvid on cards older than the new MX series (i.e. NOT 8xxx, NOT 9xxx)

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the-FoX:

hello

[09:35:22]

justinh:

no, there's an issue with the user not fricking listening to people trying to give him advice

[09:35:40]

the-FoX:

is it possible to integrate squeezeboxcenter and squeezeboxes from logitech/slimdevices into mythmusic?

[09:35:47]

justinh:

the-FoX: no

[09:36:19]

justinh:

it's possible to use those alongside mythmusic – e.g. if you point them all at the same network share or something

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loki_:

justinh, ok lets i dont experience frame rate droping with freq scaling off... what's would your next advice to keep freq scaling on

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justinh:

loki_: I have told you THREE bloody times already

[09:36:46]

justinh:

now you're just deliberately being silly

[09:37:09]

justinh:

if having CPU freq scaling turned OFF fixes the problems, LEAVE IT TURNED OFF

[09:38:07]

justinh:

several people have reported issues with CPU freq. scaling enabled. The fix is the same for those people too

[09:38:19]

justinh:

and if you don't like it, stick with mplayer

[09:39:05]

loki_:

this is not a fix, it's a workaround

[09:39:13]

justinh:

so? what do you want me to do about it?

[09:39:18]

justinh:

open a ticket. FFS

[09:39:21]

loki_:

a fix means a patch to internal player

[09:39:24]

justinh:

open a ticket. FFS

[09:40:19]

justinh:

IIRC the real problem is the way CPU freq. scaling works in most distros

[09:40:28]

justinh:

i.e. it's not suited to the job

[09:40:45]

justinh:

and your use case is wrong

[09:42:01]

justinh:

see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/VDPAU#CPU_Frequency_Scaling

[09:42:35]

loki_:

well, i though freq scaling, was there to cool down the cpu when it does almost nothing (like decompressing a divx) and getting more hors power when under load like compiling/transcoding

[09:43:03]

justinh:

a CPU won't sit there eating its TDP when it's not doing anything. Christ

[09:43:36]

justinh:

if it ever does, it's broken :P

[09:43:46]

loki_:

i've already tweaked the threshold to 30, doesnt change

[09:44:15]

loki_:

and my cpu is doing nothing even when frame rate is dropping

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justinh:

you have two choices then

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justinh:

1. disable it, or get enough information together so you can open a ticket the devs will take seriously

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loki_:

about 10% user cycle

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justinh:

monitoring tools won't tell you much

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loki_:

no wait acive neither

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justinh:

they don't react quickly enough to spot things like this

[09:46:16]

justinh:

just TRY disabling the scaling & see if it helps. that's the last I'll say about this

[09:46:54]

justinh:

if you want the internal player to be fixed so it works with scaling enabled you're gonna have to provide plenty of information. Certainly more than "mplayer doesn't do this"

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loki_:

ok, i'll check with disabling the cpu freq scaling (but i think i already tried that, but that was for an other issue)

[09:48:43]

justinh:

also, without seeing log output from -v playback it's hard to tell what's going on

[09:48:56]

justinh:

could even be an issue with ALSA. God help you if you're using pulseaudio

[09:49:47]

justinh:

like er.. do you have 'aggressive audio buffering' enabled for example

[09:50:23]

justinh:

but with a CPU of that speed, yada yada... you shouldn't be seeing any drop in playback framerate.. which is why I think it's likely CPU freq. scaling is the real issue

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justinh:

and anyway, what kind of screwed up world is it, when only ONE manufacturer makes a specific sata power connector? Got a stupid long lead-time on a micro (slimline) power connector :(

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loki_:

justinh, another issue for you, subtitle with myth video are sometime a bit late, sometime a bit ahead, and sometime synched for the same movie and srt

[10:06:40]

loki_:

:p

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loki_:

any idea?

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loki_:

please not "turn of cpu freq sacling" :)

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justinh:

turn off CPU freq. scaling

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justinh:

ignore -replies loki*

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justinh:

crap

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justinh:

some advice though.. kill whoever created the srt files. they're probably wrong if other players have the same issues

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loki_:

it works with mplayer

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loki_:

just fine

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justinh:

better yet, make the files yourself when you rip your own discs

[10:10:11]

justinh:

best way is to make sure you're in control of the whole process

[10:10:32]

justinh:

oh if it works with mplayer just fine, you know what?

[10:10:44]

justinh:

just use mplayer, mplayer fanboi

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loki_:

yeah, use mplayer

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loki_:

i dont wana use mplayer

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[10:12:32]

loki_:

i'm no mplayer fanboy, i'm a fan of what does the job right, be it mplayer/xine/totem or mythtv i dont care

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loki_:

realy

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justinh:

y'know, one of the reasons mythtv has issues some 'other players' don't have is because people 'just use other players' instead of *properly* reporting the issues they're having. If the development team never find out something is wrong, how can they possibly fix it?!

[10:16:03]

loki_:

justinh, agreed but repling turn cpu freq scaling of wont change the situation

[10:16:20]

loki_:

but ok, i'm not ranting

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justinh:

search the bug reports in trac and the mailing lists. the things you're seeing might already be fixed anyway

[10:16:29]

loki_:

i'll probably fill a bug

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justinh:

you'll probably search the bug database to make sure you're not raising a duplicate

[10:18:02]

justinh:

and if you're not using trunk, don't go reporting an issue with 0.21 which has been patched with an unsupported feature

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loki_:

already did that (well i didnt dug for closed bug)

[10:18:30]

loki_:

using trunk ofcourse

[10:18:48]

justinh:

include -v playback log as a minimum

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loki_:

sure

[10:20:52]

justinh:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6763 looks similar

[10:21:36]

justinh:

and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 62?page=last

[10:21:44]

justinh:

so much for your searching :P

[10:24:40]

justinh:

looks like there are issues in the timing of subtitles already reported. do you follow -dev & -commits lists already?

[10:26:16]

loki_:

nop

[10:26:37]

justinh:

no

[10:26:38]

justinh:

?

[10:26:49]

justinh:

you shouldn't use trunk if you don't follow those lists

[10:27:04]

loki_:

i filled 7111

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loki_:

it's fixed but it's not the same issue

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justinh:

you use bleeding edge software but don't keep up to date with developments and issues. pfft

[10:27:46]

justinh:

you deserve everything you get

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loki_:

thanks

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sidh:

greetings gentlemen

[10:30:30]

sidh:

last week someone told me about the official LHES -STABLE, I only see a RC1 on the web site , did i missed something ?

[10:35:55]

justinh:

see 'news' section at http://mysettopbox.tv/

[10:36:17]

justinh:

ftp://knoppmyth.net/R6/Current/

[10:37:06]

justinh:

what is wrong with you people? I just searched & found that right away

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Dibblah:

The google fu is strong in this one.

[10:41:21]

justinh:

search string "linhes". Oh yeah, I have powers of intellect like no other man

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trumee:

Hello all

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Dibblah:

Mr patient.

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GoTo:

juego de boxeo online http://www.kobox.org/kobox-fande-Nourine.html

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justinh:

lol. why even bother?

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** xand reads http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8280067.stm and prepares to get ANGRY **

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justinh:

a bit late now :)

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xand:

a bit late?

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justinh:

it's still not clear what they mean by "significant & necessary changes"

[11:48:26]

justinh:

ofcom decided to cut the number of DVB muxes for SDTV to five (from six) ages ago

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xand:

yeah well, I'll get angry when my channels all break

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justinh:

I'll be ready :)

[11:49:03]

xand:

it was a real PITA to set them up the first time

[11:49:09]

justinh:

I'm ready now, as much point as there is in that ;-)

[11:49:41]

justinh:

til any of us get a really good idea how to solve DVB scanning & xmltvid integration issues it'll remain a PITA

[11:50:28]

xand:

well... what changes are necessary? just going to the channel scanner thing in mythtv-setup to get new frequencies, or is it more involved?

[11:51:05]

xand:

"About 460,000 households are expected to permanently lose access to ITV3 and ITV4. " riiiight

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xand:

that's helpful

[11:51:20]

xand:

I don't really watch those channels, but seems retarded

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justinh:

probably safest to 1) backup your database 2) stop mythbackend 3) go into mythtv-setup, delete all freeview channels 4) scan 5) fix the aftermath

[11:51:32]

xand:

I bet it'll be here that loses them, we don't get Five by terrestrial

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justinh:

they've remained remarkably tight lipped about the precise details of it all

[11:52:09]

justinh:

you'll know by this time tomorrow :P

[11:52:15]

justinh:

we all will

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justinh:

OFCOM are probably itching to start auctioning off the old analogue frequencies

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justinh:

and if the freeview engineers break something, we're all in the same brown stuff, so no worries there

[11:56:50]

justinh:

there's always.. y'know.. reading or whatever

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justinh:

xand: I wanna see the faces of people getting by with old OnDigital boxes :D

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xand:

ew

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justinh:

I think all of freeview is moving to QAM64 on 8k modulation from a mixture of QAM16/QAM64 on 2k modulation

[11:58:38]

justinh:

only newer hardware will work with it

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justinh:

oh not just OnDigital boxes either. Quite a few integrated TVs

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justinh:

and then, when freeview HD does eventually launch, outcry when people discover they need another STB. LOL

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justinh:

Cameron almost has my vote now, purely on the strength he's gonna axe OFCOM :)

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DjMadness|Lap:

Anyone that has any pointers with teletext under mythtv ? i just get "p100 page not available" on every tv channel I have tested teletext with mplayer playing the tv along with alevt. ive pulled out some settings from the SQL database to display my settings along with some general info http://pastebin.ca/1583475

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justinh:

AFAIK only teletext subtitles work in mythtv

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DjMadness|Lap:

ah okeys, at least i have it clarified...

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justinh:

I could be wrong

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justinh:

though you at least need to define the VBI device in mythtv-setup

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justinh:

make sure the user mythbackend runs as can access /dev/vbi0 too

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justinh:

VBI text is dying anyway :)

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laga:

AFAIK, teletext works in myth

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justinh:

look in the backend log for more clues

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justinh:

laga: I'd be more convinced if I'd ever seen a screenshot of it working :)

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justinh:

I'm not setting up an analogue tuner to see it for myself :P

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wurst:

hello guys, is there someone i can ask wehen i have problems compiling mythtv for win32?

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justinh:

God ?

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wurst:

i think, that comment isnt really useful

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justinh:

so try providing some actual information then :)

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justinh:

rather than asking if you can ask a question :)

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justinh:

then if anybody knows, they can chime in. "problems" could mean *anything*

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wurst:

iits a problem finding libexif -> http://de.sourcepod.com/lplmau40-1639

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wurst:

i tryed http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . ry.pro.patch with no success

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justinh:

looks to me like the problem is that your file is newer than the current system time & the compiler doesn't like it

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wurst:

but the libmythmovies.dll does not exists

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justinh:

though do you even have libexif headers etc?

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laga:

justinh: i saw it working on my box ;)

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justinh:

ouch, that patch is very very old

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wurst:

dont really know where to see it

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justinh:

it's been closed anyway

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justinh:

wurst: did you grab libexif?

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justinh:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Windows_Port#exif

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wurst:

i ll try

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justinh:

compiling will fail in other places too if you do not have all the dependencies it needs

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justinh:

wonder who will have the nuts to put windows binaries up for download

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wurst:

my libexif is located in C:\msys\1.0\bin

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justinh:

dunno. if you're not bothered about having exif support, just disable it when you configure the plugins

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justinh:

--disable-exif :)

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wurst:

thanks, i ll try

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justinh:

no enthusiasm for a windows build of mythtv here

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justinh:

hate to think how hard it'd be to get diskless booting working for windows :P

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wurst:

one day, all will be fine : )

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justinh:

yeah one day linux will be enough for everybody :)

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wurst:

hmm, i thing, i put --disable-exif at the wrong location

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wurst:

me fail : (

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wurst:

ok, once again

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wurst:

hmm, does not work. isnt it http://de.sourcepod.com/cowdvl84-1640 ?

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DjMadness|Lap:

justinh: ye its dying, but my cable compony is basicly still on analog... :S

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DjMadness|Lap:

the vbi device is readable by everyone in fact... groups are correct and on top of that ive even given it 777 as permissions

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justinh:

look in the backend log DjMadness|Lap

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DjMadness|Lap:

the log file is clean... just the useual expire, recording and adding clients, theres a single "NVR(/dev/video0) Error: Resetting and re-queueing" when i stop and start live tv

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DjMadness|Lap:

but i doubt thats anything... since tv works on it

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justinh:

try running mythbackend with -v most :)

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justinh:

or -v record

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DjMadness|Lap:

nothing what so ever... does not even state that its going to use the device (dont know if its surpost to though)

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justinh:

try lsof /dev/vbi0 & see if it's actually being used :P

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DjMadness|Lap:

ill install lsof... however fuser states its getting used

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DjMadness|Lap:

Amdy ~ # lsof /dev/vbi0

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DjMadness|Lap:

COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME

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DjMadness|Lap:

mythbacke 24995 root 17r CHR 81,1 0t0 752511 /dev/vbi0

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sid3windr:

mythbackey!

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justinh:

hmmm. no joy finding non-molex slimline sata connector crimps & housings

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justinh:

previous purchasing dept folks have done all this themselves, lazy buggers

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oobe:

does anyone know what i need to look to make a recording highlight while it is currently recording in recordings-ui.xml

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justinh:

whut?

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justinh:

in trunk or in -fixes ?

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oobe:

trunk

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justinh:

no idea

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oobe:

im messing around with themeing

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justinh:

good luck

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oobe:

ty

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justinh:

didn't mean it :P

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resno|work:

i tried installed myth on my laptop and it didnt quite work. the theme look garbeled.

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Comm_:

Hi All, I am trying to setup xmltv (tv_grab_uk_rt) but I cannot select it from the Video Source setup page. I have xmltv installed and Video Sources searches for xmltv applications. Anyone have any suggestions of where to start looking?

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android60:

does anyone know if the ASUS My Cinema-PHC3–100 is supported?

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android60:

there isnt anything on it in the wiki

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Comm_:

is it a capture card?

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android60:

Comm_: yes

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Comm_:

might be worth checking the tuner chip it uses and doing a wiki search for that instead

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AndrewNC:

I'm starting to think that the hvr-2250 may never see analog linux support

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mangus580:

morning

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** jamiem rescans for Ch5 **

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resno|work:

mangus580: morning

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JEDIDIAH__:

any thoughts on the benefits of 256M vs. 512M on the shared video of an ION system?

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sulx:

if it's SD content only, then 256 is enough

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JEDIDIAH__:

the bios on the asrock 330 lets you setup 512M of video memory.

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jst_home:

as does the Zotac IONITX boards

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JEDIDIAH__:

ne1 tried that on the revo models?

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JEDIDIAH__:

if not, I will try it soon enough.

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jst_home:

Is a sleeping frontend supposed to be able to re-connect on wakeup even if the backend had been restarted during the frontend's sleep?

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JEDIDIAH__:

is there any way to control the volume level of audio sent through HDMI?

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gnelisse_:

hi there, i am trying to setup a headless backend with a "light" frontend on top. The connection to backend runs fine (i think) but when i go to "watch tv" on the frontend nothing happens

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Josh_Borke:

gnelisse_: what do you mean? nothing happens? does it switch from the menu or does it stay at the menu?

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wagnerrp:

gnelisse_: check your logs

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wagnerrp:

likely problems....your backend is not running, your backend is not set up to listen on the network, your backend does not have file permissions to the tuner and/or recording directory, your tuner is not set up properly in linux, your tuner is not set up properly in mythtv

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Comm_:

Hi All, I am trying to setup xmltv (tv_grab_uk_rt) but I cannot select it from the Video Source setup page. I have xmltv installed and Video Sources searches for xmltv applications. Anyone have any suggestions of where to start looking?

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squidly:

how can I tell the program guide to display more then 30 minutes at a time in .22?

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squidly:

I cant seem to find where I can set that

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wagnerrp:

squidly: looks like it was made up to the theme when it got mythui'd

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squidly:

wagnerrp: okies. So I would need to modify the theme to show 2 hours instead of 30 minutes

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meshe:

which theme squidly?

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squidly:

meshe: Graphite

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wagnerrp:

honestly, graphite would look weird with only 30 minutes

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wagnerrp:

you would have to resize vertically, so you can line-wrap the titles as well

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wagnerrp:

erm... more than 30 minutes

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squidly:

wagnerrp: let me show you what I get

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iamlindoro:

There are two program guides

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iamlindoro:

one for live TV, one for scheduling

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iamlindoro:

The LiveTV program guide shows "whats on right now"

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iamlindoro:

the schedulign one shows several hours

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iamlindoro:

themer choice

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squidly:

iamlindoro: yea I see that

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squidly:

(thanks)

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iamlindoro:

np

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squidly:

so it's all theme. I though it used to be in the database

[17:00:08]

wagnerrp:

well this is odd.... mythfrontend cannot write to my ~/.mythtv/channels directory

[17:00:22]

iamlindoro:

It used to be-- MythUI is more flexible so allows the themer to choose

[17:03:30]

squidly:

iamlindoro: how can I switch between using the Scheduling one and the Watching tv one

[17:04:02]

iamlindoro:

The Livetv one shows up when you pull up the guide while watching a program. The other one comes up when you to to the guide through the menus

[17:04:23]

resno|work:

i have a problem running mythtv on my laptop. the pages have no text and the elements are not right.

[17:04:42]

squidly:

iamlindoro: ok that is what I thought

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squidly:

something I will have to look at chageing

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wagnerrp:

resno: sounds like youre using the opengl painter without opengl

[17:05:48]

wagnerrp:

try '-O ThemePainter=qt'

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wagnerrp:

and/or look at your frontend logs

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resno|work:

are the frontend logs, the errors you get on terminal? i suppose there are actual logs somewhere right?

[17:07:05]

wagnerrp:

yes, no

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wagnerrp:

often times, the terminal output gets piped to a log file

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wagnerrp:

depends on your distro

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wagnerrp:

i dont actually know if mythfrontend supports the '-l' option to log-to-file

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sphery:

Yeah, mythfrontend supports -l in 0.21-fixes and trunk

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sphery:

(though in -fixes it tends to put some data on stdout before it switches to the log file, which means we lose some really nice info in the logs that make debugging easier)

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resno|work:

the error message said something about badrender, (not at home and dont have access to that machine)

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resno|work:

and i know thats not the whole message

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kormoc:

ssh!

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resno|work:

kormoc: i dont have ssh ports open on the router

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resno|work:

and i dont know my ip

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kormoc:

Tisk tisk tisk!

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kormoc:

That's what dyndns.org is for ;)

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resno|work:

true, true

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i should probably set my dyndns account back up

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wagnerrp:

i would be in a world of hurt if my IP changed... for a couple hours anyway

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Dr^Mouse:

lo all

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kormoc:

cnames rock, all my domains are just cnames to my dyndns.org account, give it 15 minutes and it's back

[17:13:56]

Dr^Mouse:

anyone able to help me with mythtv multichannel audio issues?

[17:13:59]

wagnerrp:

hadnt even thought of doing it that way

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sphery:

resno|work: funny think is I'm pretty sure I know what your IP address is...

[17:14:34]

sphery:

assuming it's a machine at home that logged into here.

[17:14:37]

wagnerrp:

ive really been meaning to find some auto-updater for godaddy

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wagnerrp:

!last resno

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** kormoc coughs stalker cough cough **

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wagnerrp:

looks like beirdo doesnt do that

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iamlindoro:

!seen resno

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MythLogBot:

resno was last seen 14 hours 21 minutes 2 seconds ago

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wagnerrp:

well at least it gives the log you need to access

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kormoc:

too bad resno isn't registered, nickserv keeps track of old ips

[17:15:40]

Dr^Mouse:

I have a 7.1 soundcard which works fine through speaker-test, but I cant select more than 5.1 in myth

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resno|work:

seems like irc has a tracker on m

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wagnerrp:

here we go... client200–25.dsl.intrex.net

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resno|work:

kormoc: how do you register?

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wagnerrp:

dyndns.org? its free, you just pick a name and pass, and then set up one or more hostnames

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sphery:

actually, most current is cpe-098-026-021–060.nc.res.rr.com , by my investigations (client200–25.dsl.intrex.net was old)

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kormoc:

resno|work: /msg nickserv REGISTER <password> <email-address>

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resno|work:

kormoc: thanks. thats what i meant

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Dr^Mouse:

resno|work: /msg nickserv register...

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sphery:

or perhaps one is work and one is home

[17:17:01]

Dr^Mouse:

ok, beat me to it

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resno|work:

you guys are crazy...

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sphery:

I use /^msg so it doesn't go in my logs

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wagnerrp:

ah, the intrex one may have been work

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resno|work:

yes, intrex is work. rr is home.

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** resno|work backs away from irc stalkers **

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Dr^Mouse:

lol

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kormoc:

resno|work: meh, it's sitting in public logs as soon as you join the channel, not hard to search those logs :)

[17:18:59]

Dr^Mouse:

resno|work: big brother is watching....

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wagnerrp:

looks like walstib may live near you

[17:19:16]

** kormoc sticks a magnetic gps to resno|work's car **

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wagnerrp:

probably not, north carolina is not particularly small

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iamlindoro:

Bah, how can I be expected to work on the old theme when the new theme beckons?

[17:20:11]

iamlindoro:

Do not want

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kormoc:

rm -rf is your friend ;)

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resno|work:

so do you all have an ip address for me to try?

[17:20:34]

meshe:

/set autolog on

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, svn rm? ;)

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meshe:

searchable with grep

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kormoc:

woudl work just as well ;)

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Dr^Mouse:

or sudo rm -rf /* :P

[17:20:52]

wagnerrp:

no jgarvey is on the same class B as you, that probably means same metropolitan area

[17:20:59]

kormoc:

or if you're a xchat user /grep is your friend ;)

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** kormoc loves his xchat **

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sphery:

resno|work: RR encodes it into the dhcp hostname: cpe-098-026-021–060.nc.res.rr.com

[17:21:25]

justinh:

iamlindoro: everybody expects you to love the old as much as the new. cough

[17:21:27]

kormoc:

98.26.21.60

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wagnerrp:

or, you could just use the hostname directly

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sphery:

or that

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Well I don't. I kinda want to set the old on fire. :)

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resno|work:

ah, i see

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wagnerrp:

it is resolvable

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justinh:

iamlindoro: but this is open source! you let it out of the bag

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** kormoc hands iamlindoro a lighter and a small can of untraceable accelerant... that he somehow acquired legally... right legally... **

[17:22:30]

justinh:

iamlindoro: plus, were anybody else to take over maintaining it.. erm.. that has issues with the old owner too :P

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** wagnerrp sees if he has a copy of nmap installed **

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Dr^Mouse:

so... 7.1 audio anyone?

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iamlindoro:

justinh, and therefore must support it and kowtow to feature deman^H^H^H^H requests until I welcome the sweet release of death ;)

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sphery:

Dr^Mouse: not in Myth

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Dr^Mouse:

It doesnt do it?

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justinh:

thankfully my disappearing act did the trick :)

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iamlindoro:

justinh, And they wonder why my next theme will have a restrictive license :)

[17:23:12]

justinh:

Dr^Mouse: nope

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sphery:

You want 8 channels? You can't handle 8 channels!

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kormoc:

ORDER IN THE COURT!

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Dr^Mouse:

sphery: LOL & :(

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resno|work:

so i actually do have ssh access.

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Dr^Mouse:

Why not?

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sphery:

on the bright side, TTBOMK, no broadcaster is sending out 8-channel audio

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** justinh waits patiently for Dr^Mouse's 7.1 audio patches **

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sphery:

(at least in the US :)

[17:24:17]

iamlindoro:

Because new features require someone to write the code

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Dr^Mouse:

lol

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iamlindoro:

let us know when it's done

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iamlindoro:

since you make it sounds so easy and all ;)

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Dr^Mouse:

hmm... lol

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resno|work:

haha is it bad to use a chain of ssh to access a machine?

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kormoc:

not at all

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Dr^Mouse:

I will take a look at some point, I just assumed it'd work

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iamlindoro:

nothing just works

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justinh:

I just wonder where X.1 audio is gonna end

[17:26:44]

iamlindoro:

not until the code starts writing itself, I heard this awesome company called CyberDyne systems has something like that

[17:26:47]

iamlindoro:

I'm sure that will go well

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Dr^Mouse:

iamlindoro: yeah I know that :P but I thought it'd be there already.

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justinh:

at what point will they say enough is enough? How many speakers?

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iamlindoro:

Dr^Mouse, why would you figure that?

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justinh:

assumption is the mother of all fail :)

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Dr^Mouse:

justinh: 6492.1 channels

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wagnerrp:

28.6 is enough

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wagnerrp:

Dr^Mouse: what, only one subwoofer?

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sphery:

Computer, create an algorithm to decode 7.1 channel audio...

[17:27:45]

Dr^Mouse:

lol

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wagnerrp:

how plebeian of you

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justinh:

MOARSUBZFTW

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sphery:

Captain, I'm working as fast as I can. Give me 3 days...

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iamlindoro:

"Program Ready, please enter the wooferDeck"

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justinh:

safety off.. Hahahahaha

[17:28:51]

justinh:

Bass, the final frontier

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** justinh gets his coat **

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sphery:

Wait a minute... Did you hear that? Was that the sound of Moriarty?

[17:30:01]

Dr^Mouse:

Reason I assumed it'd be there is 7.1 audio is mentioned several times on the wiki, and at least once in the manual. I should stop with the assumptions :S

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iamlindoro:

Heh, amusingly that's this hostname

[17:30:08]

wagnerrp:

sphery: didnt you know, you should say you cant possibly complete something for at least 25% more time than it will actually take

[17:30:25]

wagnerrp:

then you will be commended for your herculean effort when you succeed under time

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sphery:

true

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iamlindoro:

Dr^Mouse, Where in the manual? Honest curiosity. Depending on the context, it probably ought not be

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justinh:

maybe passthrough of streams would work

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wagnerrp:

didnt watch the new star trek?

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justinh:

i.e. over HDMI, not some nasty analogue crap

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wagnerrp:

wait no... that was in one of the series, not the new movie

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justinh:

and if the patent monkeys had a ball with DTS decoding in linux, they'll certainly go to town on software decoding of HD audio formats

[17:32:22]

sphery:

that's what Scotty used to do

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Dr^Mouse:

iamlindoro: I can't remember where. Was reading on lunch at work and I'm sure it was mentioned. May have just been something like "there are lots of fancy speaker setups like 5.1 and 7.1"

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sphery:

er, he over-estimated the time, didn't sue people over HD audio decoding

[17:33:44]

sphery:

Dr^Mouse: closest you could get with Myth's internal player is 5.1 audio decode and use a ttable to copy/mix channels into the last 2

[17:34:12]

sphery:

from what I understand, you can make it sound better than some receivers' upmixing

[17:34:26]

wagnerrp:

Dr^Mouse: i wonder just how many movies have a 7.1 mix that is actually functional

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wagnerrp:

rather than 'that sound is coming from somewhere on the left'

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sphery:

(though I don't have the speakers nor the ears to know for sure, someone I showed how to do it (after saying it would probably sound horrible) said it was better than his upmixer did

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wagnerrp:

im sure most people with a 7.1 dont have them positioned/calibrated properly either, nor in an properly damped room to make use of the additional directionality

[17:36:55]

wagnerrp:

in the end, it just ends up with 'moar channels mean moar powah'

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sphery:

especially since there are like 3 different layouts for 7.1 speakers

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sphery:

where the extra 2 are side or side back or ...

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wagnerrp:

'one senior executive at the national science foundation spent at least 331 looking at pornography on his government computer'

[17:38:34]

wagnerrp:

wait a minute... that doesnt add up

[17:38:45]

wagnerrp:

are they saying he came into work on weekends to watch porn?

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sphery:

maybe he used an ssh SOCKS proxy from home?

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sphery:

so is there an advantage to 7.1 versus 6.1 (with surround back)

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wagnerrp:

well more speakers are always better if youve got the source material and room setup to handle it

[17:43:05]

wagnerrp:

and by 'room setup', i mean cylindrical anechoic chamber

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kormoc:

spent at least 331 what?

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sphery:

seems that in THX's 7.1-speaker layout, the surround-back-left and -right are both put next to each other, basically like the 6th in a 6.1... http://thx.com/home/setup/speakers/71.html

[17:43:18]

kormoc:

dollars? Minutes? kilobytes?

[17:43:19]

sphery:

I'm guessing days

[17:43:19]

Dr^Mouse:

ok, sorry I was just grabbing a headphone splitter I had lying around to plum to extra surround speakers in

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wagnerrp:

oh, days

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, i dont know what purpose both of those serve

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wagnerrp:

'THX Advanced Speaker Array'

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Dr^Mouse:

The only thing I have with a full 7.1 audio track is War of the Worlds Live at Wembley,

[17:45:28]

wagnerrp:

yeah, thats a bunch of crap

[17:45:37]

sphery:

yeah, any time you're > 5.1, the only way to work with all the sound formats "properly" is to actually move them around for different tracks

[17:45:48]

sphery:

and I be no one ever does that :)

[17:46:18]

sphery:

(Though I have seen the poles for mounting the side-channel speakers so you can move them into listening position or out of the way... :)

[17:46:30]

sphery:

tripod/stand kind of things

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resno|work:

kormoc: i got access to my laptop, can i run myth through ssh?

[17:48:41]

Dr^Mouse:

well 5.1 will do me for now. I have now gone in the space of about a month from a 22" monitor with built in speakers to this setup using my hi-fi amp & speakers for front speakers and a cheap 5.1 system, along with a projector giving a 5-foot-wide screen :)

[17:48:58]

Dr^Mouse:

think thisll do me for now

[17:49:12]

meshe:

resno|work: yes, just don't play video

[17:49:19]

sphery:

iamlindoro: it's not Bryan Fuller, but perhaps some of his creativity rubbed off on Barry Sonnenfeld: http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/09/29/pushing-dai . . . ural-sitcom/

[17:49:25]

resno|work:

meshe: how do, do that?

[17:49:40]

meshe:

ssh -Y me@mymythbox

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Dr^Mouse:

and I guess I can always use a different player for specific vids with 7.1

[17:49:44]

meshe:

mythfrontend

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sphery:

resno|work: you need to do ssh -Y , and mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt (and, probably -geometry 800x600 , possibly with something like -O Theme=Iulius)

[17:50:21]

sphery:

though the ssh -Y is /much/ more challenging when chaining ssh

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meshe:

yeah, if you can't get to your mythbox with one ssh connection it becomes much more difficult

[17:51:24]

resno|work:

oh... does it really?

[17:51:32]

meshe:

well

[17:51:41]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Meh, maybe... it'll just get canceled.

[17:52:04]

meshe:

you could do a forward: ssh -L 22222:mymythbox:22 me@mygateway

[17:52:08]

resno|work:

its aying mthfrontend.real: cant connect to x server

[17:52:54]

sphery:

yes, therein lies the "much" in much more difficult :)

[17:52:59]

meshe:

then: ssh -p 22222 me@mygateway

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resno|work:

sphery: i figured

[17:53:19]

meshe:

er ssh -Y -p 22222 me@mygateway

[17:53:25]

iamlindoro:

Seriously, how can people even pretend that they've searched the lists for an issue they've had?

[17:53:31]

meshe:

would give you a direct ssh connection to your mythbox

[17:53:42]

iamlindoro:

When the same question was asked, practically verbatim, within seven days

[17:54:32]

sphery:

iamlindoro: well, on the bright side, he asked it 2x, so now there are 2 verbatim questions

[17:54:49]

sphery:

different subjects, but the post is identical

[17:55:02]

iamlindoro:

yeah

[17:55:14]

resno|work:

no one reads documentation any more

[17:55:22]

resno|work:

...me included :(

[17:55:59]

** kormoc blinks **

[17:56:03]

sphery:

iamlindoro: Hey, BTW, I noticed that after upgrading to 0.22, my MythVideo pages load extremely slowly and scrolling is painful. What's up with that?

[17:56:04]

kormoc:

I guess I'm no one

[17:56:10]

** kormoc kicks the dirt as he walks away **

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** resno|work chokes on dust **

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I don't know, but it def needs dev input

[17:56:40]

iamlindoro:

OHWAIT

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iamlindoro:

IT TOTALLY GOT IT WITHIN 7 DAYS

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meshe:

wow, did they have a paid support contract?

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sphery:

I'm a bit worried, now. I've been told that no one loves me, and I never really knew what people were saying. Now I see I may have accidentally lead kormoc on.

[17:57:40]

sphery:

iamlindoro: heh

[17:57:43]

kormoc:

But, but but, all the patches and bug fixes!

[17:58:01]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I appreciate your response, but I was hoping a real dev would answer.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, hahahahaahah

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sphery:

kormoc: I have to admit I was just using you for your commit access. I'm sorry. I was wrong.

[17:58:59]

iamlindoro:

I guess when it's all "new" people might change themes a lot, but TBH I think it's a lot of bitching about nothing when it happens *once* the first time you select an item

[17:59:18]

tmkt:

pretty good for a release almost 1000 tickets closed

[17:59:25]

sphery:

iamlindoro: when I set the clock on my different hosts to different times, it happens /every/ time

[17:59:33]

iamlindoro:

and given the average user should be changing themes approximately NEVER...

[17:59:38]

sphery:

shouldn't you just handle that?

[17:59:38]

** kormoc sniffles **

[18:00:16]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, just spawn a thread and just do it

[18:00:18]

iamlindoro:

simple as that

[18:00:22]

iamlindoro:

job done

[18:00:27]

Dr^Mouse:

why change themes? myth is for watching tv, who cares what it looks like in the menus? :P

[18:00:28]

** kormoc runs a "UPDATE ticket SET status = 'closed', resolution = 'WorksForMe';" **

[18:00:38]

kormoc:

there, 3000 tickets closed!

[18:00:48]

iamlindoro:

kormoc is the ticket closing king!

[18:00:58]

Dr^Mouse:

lol @ kormoc

[18:01:02]

** iamlindoro really wishes he had a resolution->suckit sometimes **

[18:01:12]

sphery:

I suddenly feel I have time to go outside and enjoy the beautiful fall weather...

[18:01:41]

wagnerrp:

i really love this time of year

[18:01:41]

kormoc:

with 0 open tickets, I can finally declare myth is version 1.0!

[18:01:52]

Dr^Mouse:

YAY!

[18:01:54]

wagnerrp:

its always foggy early morning, and for unknown reasons, i like fog

[18:01:59]

kormoc:

and there will be a 1.0.22.0.1 in a week ;)

[18:02:14]

sphery:

I like when fall weather gets here (versus when the fall season gets here). Happens in about Nov around here.

[18:02:29]

wagnerrp:

yeah, well there its fall all through winter

[18:02:37]

kormoc:

I like the fog too, I can imagine the rest of the world is just gone...

[18:02:50]

sphery:

I think I saw that movie. Stephen King, right?

[18:03:14]

sphery:

er, wait, when you say "fog" do you mean something outside of my TV?

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kormoc:

Likely?

[18:03:44]

iamlindoro:

oh great, WTF is wrong with Kevin Kuphal?

[18:03:54]

kormoc:

Do I want to know?

[18:03:56]

wagnerrp:

ooh! the myth wiki now teaches people how to farm

[18:03:57]

iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /265520.html

[18:04:04]

iamlindoro:

Very f**king helpful, thanks

[18:04:21]

resno|work:

should i join the mailing list?

[18:04:28]

Dr^Mouse:

I'm not a big fan of fog. I travel to work over the penines (big mountains in the middle of the UK) and there are sheep. Thing about fog is, it's white. Thing about sheep is, they're white. See the problem? :S

[18:04:29]

iamlindoro:

I'm disappointed that myth performing naughty sex acts on me isn't being included

[18:04:37]

kormoc:

only if you want to get so depressed you might need medication...

[18:04:45]

iamlindoro:

People clearly expect code to write itself

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** kormoc takes another zanix **

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resno|work:

kormoc: why do you say that?... was that directed at me?

[18:05:41]

Dr^Mouse:

I'm disapointed that anyone thinks Vista has any good points.

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sphery:

Dr^Mouse: Mountains in the UK? Is this like in that movie, "The Englishman Who Went Up a Hill But Came Down A Mountain"?

[18:06:47]

sphery:

resno|work: he was saying that reading the mailing list can be quite depressing

[18:06:51]

kormoc:

resno|work: Meh, just me feeling on the subject. The mailing lists are full of entitled, clueless users who want the world *now* and are not scared to share what they feel are your failings over and over again...

[18:06:51]

Dr^Mouse:

I've always wanted to come down a mountain. Will have to convince the girlfriend... :P

[18:07:15]

resno|work:

kormoc: ah, i see.

[18:07:27]

sphery:

I think you saw a different movie than I did...

[18:07:54]

Dr^Mouse:

sphery: people often think that. :o)

[18:07:54]

kormoc:

I don't think coming down a mountain is so hard, getting up there is more the problem

[18:08:00]

kormoc:

unless you mean getting down alive...

[18:08:09]

wagnerrp:

it only takes one trip

[18:08:13]

wagnerrp:

then its just a bunch of rolling

[18:08:23]

kormoc:

exactly

[18:08:27]

sphery:

although in the Pike's Peak marathon, the down trip is rumored to be the hardest part

[18:08:43]

iamlindoro:

Downhill running blows

[18:08:48]

** Dr^Mouse thinks innuendo has been missed or ignored by the majority... oh well **

[18:08:59]

iamlindoro:

I ran the Edinburgh Marathon in Scotland, first eight miles are downhill

[18:08:59]

** kormoc blinks **

[18:09:03]

iamlindoro:

worst part of the race

[18:09:10]

kormoc:

ooh?

[18:09:17]

sphery:

Yeah, here in FL we sometimes have hills that are about 20 feet high... I hate going down those hills.

[18:09:34]

kormoc:

20 foot high, 3 miles long

[18:09:40]

sphery:

exactly

[18:09:41]

wagnerrp:

depends on how steep the hill is

[18:09:42]

iamlindoro:

anyway, isn't kevin supposed to be a dev? WTF is wrong with him?

[18:09:45]

sphery:

so you've been here?

[18:09:46]

Dr^Mouse:

argh! I forgot what an arse it is to set up surround speakers propperly!

[18:09:52]

kormoc:

sphery: a few times ;)

[18:10:02]

wagnerrp:

you have to break yourself, muscles you typically dont have to train for a marathon

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resno|work:

kormoc: did you add anything to the trac?

[18:10:27]

kormoc:

meh, don't break yourself, just get those rollerskate sneakers

[18:10:30]

sphery:

Actually, most brake to /prevent/ breaking themselves.

[18:10:40]

kormoc:

resno|work: tickets? I added a few yesterday, aye

[18:10:53]

kormoc:

I need to add some more tho

[18:11:08]

wagnerrp:

i wonder how well you could run a marathon with something that heavy on your feet

[18:11:44]

wagnerrp:

wear a cape and tie it at the bottom, air break

[18:11:59]

wagnerrp:

drop it at the bottom of the hill

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resno|work:

kormoc: yes, tickets. im not up on the l33t speak yet

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resno|work:

;)

[18:13:51]

** meshe blinks **

[18:14:30]

wagnerrp:

l33t people dont need bug tickets

[18:14:39]

wagnerrp:

they use other people's code

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resno|work:

i like other peoples code

[18:15:23]

** Dr^Mouse doesn't like other peoples code... **

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AndrewNC:

hah, just read that mailing list msg... ironically the last couple days I've been thinking about that issue, difference is that I've been planning to actually look at the code, determining the cause, and what if any possible solutions there are

[18:15:54]

Dr^Mouse:

at least if I have to work on it. It's often easier to start fron scratch

[18:16:18]

resno|work:

AndrewNC: are you actually in NC?

[18:16:44]

iamlindoro:

AndrewNC, gbee (our MythUI dev) has devoted a lot of time to it and has some image threading code, but it creeps deep, deep into the code and it's a major rabbit hole

[18:16:51]

meshe:

Dr^Mouse: agreed, much time can be consumed if you have to learn how their code works

[18:16:59]

iamlindoro:

AndrewNC, I would leave that one to him as it's very likely to be something that only he knows all the implications of

[18:17:01]

AndrewNC:

which reminds me of another question i've been meaning to find an answer to: is there a function to "show fan art" full screen? Some of those images are really nicely done

[18:17:02]

sphery:

Dr^Mouse: Yeah, doing so can make things a lot better, too. One user who felt the same way--didn't want to learn how other people's code worked--rewrote Myth in 4000 lines of Perl.

[18:17:18]

iamlindoro:

AndrewNC, Not to discourage helping, just that this particular issue is likely to require some specialized knowledge

[18:17:23]

sphery:

obviously, there was no reason to learn all those other lines of C/C++ in Myth

[18:17:54]

AndrewNC:

iamlindoro: I see, I'll take a look anyway for the benifit of what I learn along the way, even if it is unlikely I can assist

[18:17:56]

Dr^Mouse:

sphery: :P

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AndrewNC:

is gbee the same dev working that painter issue that causes high cpu usage?

[18:18:46]

sphery:

Dr^Mouse: I stand corrected... 1731 lines of Perl: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/187428#187428

[18:19:00]

iamlindoro:

That implies that anyone is working actively on it :)

[18:19:08]

meshe:

i coulda done that in one line of perl!

[18:19:08]

sphery:

(that thread is a good read if you're looking for some comedy)

[18:19:08]

Dr^Mouse:

obviously not something like myth... I was thinking more along the lines of the stuff I deal with at work.

[18:19:18]

AndrewNC:

sphery: what the.... ?!

[18:19:20]

Dr^Mouse:

sphery: I thought you were joking!

[18:19:28]

sphery:

AndrewNC: between gbee and markk, yeah, they're looking at it

[18:19:42]

AndrewNC:

that is an assault on all that is decent in the world

[18:19:52]

sphery:

Dr^Mouse: all the part saying his re-implementing it was a good idea was a joke--the fact that he thinks he did wasn't :)

[18:20:32]

sphery:

KISS to all you MythTV developers.

[18:21:10]

Dr^Mouse:

Gawd...

[18:21:11]

sphery:

(Best way to get support for your radical ideas is to call the people with whom you disagree "stupid".)

[18:21:11]

meshe:

lol

[18:21:34]

dustybin:

will mythtv .22 make slashdot or digg ?

[18:21:44]

AndrewNC:

the guy used char delimited file instead of xml, epic!

[18:22:00]

sphery:

and instead of a database

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sphery:

so, highly scalable, I'm sure

[18:22:36]

Dr^Mouse:

Well if it does the job he wants, stbly and quickly, good on him... but its not quite myth

[18:22:43]

AndyCap:

and "At scheduling time there is absolutely no possibility of conflict. "

[18:22:46]

meshe:

people like that give perl programmers a bad name

[18:22:56]

AndyCap:

so well, there's a conflict but you won't know about it

[18:23:01]

sphery:

Though, according to Ohloh, Myth actually has closer to 1M LOC: http://www.ohloh.net/p/mythtv/analyses/latest

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sphery:

so I guess he just ignored the other 888K

[18:23:34]

AndyCap:

I'm sure he has a garage full of square wheels

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AndrewNC:

best thread quote: "The point is that MythTV is bloated bug-ridden software which

[18:23:55]

AndrewNC:

mostly just duplicates the functionality of a browser. "

[18:24:10]

Dr^Mouse:

time for a beer methinx

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sphery:

yeah, classic

[18:24:27]

sphery:

when I think MythTV, the first thing I think is, "Isn't that what a browser does?"

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sphery:

So, I'm trying to get Firefox working, but it's not recording my TV. Any suggestions?

[18:24:52]

AndyCap:

but hey, now you can embed video in acrobat.

[18:25:03]

AndrewNC:

doesn't everyone use that firefox plugin for scheduling recordings and vdpau acceleration?

[18:25:13]

AndrewNC:

sphery: clear your cookies duh!

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meshe:

well, we could just rewrite the whole frontend in flash

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sphery:

oops... cookies. Probably browser cache, too

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sphery:

that explains why every recording (when it did work) was the same video

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meshe:

haha

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Dr^Mouse:

"It's easy to drive (cause I have no clue what that pole sticking

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Dr^Mouse:

out of the floor with the numbers and the letter 'R' in an H

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Dr^Mouse:

pattern is for). "

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sphery:

meshe: and if we use flash, we could make user interfaces that people would pay for--you know, ones with lots of animated flames....

[18:26:14]

AndrewNC:

iamlindoro: is there a ticket or thread documenting that slow image loading, for the curious?

[18:26:17]

AndyCap:

meshe: ooh, then you can integrate it with asterisk fop.

[18:26:29]

iamlindoro:

AndrewNC, no, as it's not a bug

[18:26:54]

meshe:

sphery: yeah, that would be awesome, myth should be something that people would pay for

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AndrewNC:

sphery: I have been considering submitting a .22 "blocker" ticket demanding a flash intro with techno music when the frontend starts ;-)

[18:27:04]

iamlindoro:

nothing slow about the image loading, it's loading at a perfectly normal speed, it's just not in its own thread

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resno|work:

i like flash intros!

[18:27:37]

sphery:

AndrewNC: I have to admit that I had never even considered the need for that one.

[18:27:37]

AndrewNC:

well, the better question would be, anything to read on gbee's efforts on the matter

[18:27:40]

Dr^Mouse:

there are no bugs in myth, surely! there may be a few 'undocumented features'... s**t I'm starting to sound like microsoft!

[18:27:50]

iamlindoro:

AndrewNC, No, the discussion has mostly taken place in the dev channel

[18:27:51]

meshe:

lol

[18:28:11]

AndrewNC:

iamlindoro: gotcha, thx

[18:28:16]

iamlindoro:

np

[18:28:28]

meshe:

i write perfect software first try everytime :)

[18:28:40]

sphery:

Dr^Mouse: if you say it with more religious ferver, then you'd sound more like a particular fruit company

[18:28:45]

resno|work:

meshe: thats the sign of a "good" programmer

[18:28:57]

sphery:

or perhaps like RMS... :)

[18:29:06]

meshe:

resno|work: that's the sign of someone who's full of it

[18:30:04]

meshe:

or all you write is software no more complicated than hello world

[18:30:23]

AndyCap:

who needs complicated hellos?

[18:30:25]

AndrewNC:

I used to dig 100% of joel on software, but some of his stances are a little off the rail

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sphery:

I don't think a perfect Hello world is even possible, though

[18:30:44]

meshe:

sphery: lol

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AndrewNC:

sphery: would require strong AI

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joe2371:

Hi. I'm planning a hardware purchase for a BE. I have two HVR 2250 cards and one HVR 1600. I'll have five MPEG2 digital TV streams coming from the cards. On top of that I/O, if I also want to do commercial flagging in a reasonable amount of time, how significant of a machine am I likely to need?

[18:31:18]

AndyCap:

every program has at least one bug and every program can be shortened by at least one instruction.

[18:31:35]

AndyCap:

from this follows that all programs can be reduced to one instruction that doesn't work.

[18:31:58]

sphery:

joe2371: depends on how quickly you want commflagging to complete.

[18:31:59]

meshe:

we use TDD at work to minimize the bugs, but obviously, they still happen

[18:32:13]

Dagmar:

MOAR CPU == more comflagging

[18:32:13]

resno|work:

AndyCap: are you saying that no software is perfect?

[18:32:18]

sphery:

joe2371: on my systems, it can take up to 2x real time, but since I'm generally a whole season behind watching...

[18:32:44]

resno|work:

AndyCap: I always thought microsoft rolled out perfect software.

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** meshe puts resno|work on ignore **

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sphery:

joe2371: really, IMHO, unless you feel you have to watch things right after they air, it's the frontend that needs the power and the backend doesn't. And, with mythjobqueue, you can even run commflagging jobs on the frontend system.

[18:33:53]

sphery:

resno|work: someone seems to think that as both OpenOffice.org and Firefox are adopting the *mutter* ribbon interface.

[18:34:05]

joe2371:

sphery: OK. So the FE's need so much power for h264 decoding or something? or for the gui itself?

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AndyCap:

sphery: somehow I think that is inevitable, since they're both evil crossplatform apps

[18:34:36]

AndrewNC:

sphery: sounds like we need distributed comflagging!

[18:34:52]

resno|work:

sphery: are they really following the ribbon interface? seems innovation is going the wrong direction. microsoft takes direction from them.

[18:34:53]

sphery:

joe2371: For high-definition/high-bitrate video decoding in general. Though you can use VDPAU (once 0.22 is released) for video decode offload to GPU, I wouldn't build a system that relies on it.

[18:35:03]

AndyCap:

sphery: and on that note, when will mythtv win32 comply with the user interface guidelines? :>

[18:35:12]

sphery:

resno|work: yeah, they are...

[18:35:22]

joe2371:

comflagging@home

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sphery:

AndyCap: we could use nntp to distribute the results

[18:35:41]

meshe:

AndyCap: when you submit the patch for it?

[18:35:49]

AndrewNC:

mapreduce is the tool for the job

[18:36:01]

meshe:

hadoop!

[18:36:07]

AndyCap:

meshe: over my dead body

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sphery:

resno|work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8WzsSOG8E0 , though http://freehogg.wordpress.com/2006/11/26/dont . . . enofficeorg/ (licensing/patent issues may prevent it)

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joe2371:

Will VDPAU also be able to accelerate flagging and/or transcoding?

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AndyCap:

sphery: heh, 2006

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AndyCap:

oh my: "I don't think it matters. All OOo needs is a robust themes system (if it doesn't already) and sit back and wait for someone to make their own "ribbon" plugin. No big deal."

[18:39:03]

sphery:

resno|work: seems that the firefox story may have been a hoax: http://blog.mozilla.com/faaborg/2009/09/24/no . . . -firefox-ui/

[18:39:12]

joe2371:

Or will that require some serious CUDA-fu that isn't likely to ever get written?

[18:39:15]

iamlindoro:

joe2371, no

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resno|work:

sphery: yea i was just noticing that

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resno|work:

sphery: i read that same blog entry

[18:40:24]

meshe:

that would be fun to look into, using cuda for comflagging, xcoding

[18:40:54]

resno|work:

kormoc: database locked for trac?

[18:41:04]

sphery:

actually, I think there will be work on using vdpau to do it once some more of the promised support goes into vdpau

[18:41:10]

kormoc:

it happens, someone was updating/editing something

[18:41:12]

sphery:

at least for transcoding

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kormoc:

refresh and it'll go away

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meshe:

would be interesting to see what my husband's GTX 275 could do

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resno|work:

kormoc: ah, i thought it was your doing

[18:41:53]

kormoc:

meshe: Beirdo was working on that

[18:41:58]

** kormoc blinks **

[18:42:06]

kormoc:

am I the trac troll now-a-days? ;)

[18:42:20]

meshe:

kormoc: cool

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resno|work:

kormoc: they are you tickets, so i thought you were the go to guy or gal...

[18:42:42]

kormoc:

heh

[18:42:58]

kormoc:

mine are only a small few of the tickets there

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meshe:

i'm sure it's iamlindoro

[18:43:58]

resno|work:

kormoc: are you a picky programmer? you want things sorted/organized your way?

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sphery:

resno|work: can't tell if this is a hoax or real... http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/08/06/openo . . . i-prototype/

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kormoc:

For code format? A fair bit, aye, soft-tabs, outdented comments, etc

[18:44:37]

AndyCap:

hmm, did youtube change their favicon?

[18:44:41]

sphery:

that's the timeframe when I heard they were going to the ribbon interface

[18:44:43]

meshe:

better phrased would be: kormoc: are there best practices i could/should follow?

[18:45:03]

AndyCap:

sphery: this? http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/prototyping_a_new_ui_july

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resno|work:

meshe: the reason i ask is because kormoc has his own ticket list, and its says "Tickets sorted/organized out how kormoc prefers to see them. Please don't overwrite this time.... "

[18:46:03]

** meshe nods **

[18:46:30]

kormoc:

resno|work: heh, that's just one view of all the tickets, there's many others

[18:46:33]

resno|work:

indenting and such are standard pratices.

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sphery:

AndyCap: yeah... that's the original source. so it seems real

[18:47:16]

** AndyCap watches MS talk about the ribbon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl9kD693ie4 **

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dserban:

fun question that I'm sure is a FAQ ... but I can't find the answer. It seems that mythtv is recording nicely, and sphery helped me out last night with taking of the filters in Watch Recordings, so now I see my recordings. What's puzzling me is that the machine is recording, but most (not all), I'd say 80% of shows are blank, with a 1 min runtime .. so recording 1 is from 5:00pm to 5:01pm. I looked at the system status log and the recordings in

[18:48:21]

dserban:

question show start and ends, but have a 10 appended or 20 appended to the channel number. It seems to correspond with the tuner (tuner 1 recording on channel 1048, tuner 2 recording on channel 2036). Is this normal? If so, what could be causing my blank recordings?

[18:48:27]

dserban:

wow heh sorry spam :o

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sphery:

1048 is the channel id, not the channel number

[18:51:19]

sphery:

that's normal

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dserban:

ok

[18:51:40]

sphery:

the stopping after 1 minute is /only/ normal if your guide data says that the show sarts at 5:00pm and ends at 5:01pm

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kormoc:

check the logs?

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sphery:

heh... Just got an e-mail from my credit card company that says I can get a $5 one time credit for making a purchase "at any one of these nearby stores and restaurants." One of the stores--labelled a "Specialty Store"--is Sun Nuclear Corporation. If my CC company thinks I like to buy nuke equipment, I wonder when the FBI will arrive...

[18:53:53]

sphery:

(granted, it's medical nuclear equipment, but still)

[18:54:00]

mag0o:

even better is they think you'll enjoy $5 for spending some $$$ at a Nuke place

[18:54:07]

sphery:

yeah

[18:54:34]

mag0o:

buy a $0.50 candy bar and make $4.50 off of them

[18:54:37]

dserban:

Hmm. Nope, the guide says 5:00pm to 6:00pm. I'm not near the box, but it has a few recordings to do while I'm at work. So I'll see if it "fixes itself". It could also be that my fiance (which is at home all day) likes to use the watch live tv function and sometimes cancels the recordings. So I'm not sure if it's a problem at all atm, there are so many blanks that I'm assuming something's going awry.

[18:54:47]

sphery:

Spend > $5M and receive $5 cash back!!! Hurry, limited time offer.

[18:55:06]

dserban:

.50 candy bar? You must be in the states. :)

[18:55:17]

mag0o:

:)

[18:55:22]

dserban:

$1.65 in canuckia, and our dollar is pretty close to par with the usd...

[18:55:34]

sphery:

dserban: and it actually has an end time listed of 5:01 or your're saying that the program only plays for 1min/the OSD shows its length as 1min

[18:55:50]

dserban:

sphery: the second option :)

[18:55:53]

sphery:

it = the recording, not the program listings

[18:55:59]

dserban:

the recording

[18:56:17]

sphery:

then that's likely due to the capture card stopping sending data after 1min

[18:56:23]

sphery:

i.e. card/driver issues below myth

[18:56:49]

sphery:

if your master backend logs say that it started recording at 5:00 and that it stopped recording at 6:00, then that's the problem

[18:57:11]

dserban:

sphery: yeah I should've checked the mythbackend log before I asked here, just seemed odd and figured it must be something I don't understand (hence the FAQ comment)

[18:57:26]

sphery:

actually, it's a good question

[18:57:53]

dserban:

sphery: I'll check when I get home.

[18:57:55]

sphery:

and unless you understand how myth could think it records for an hour but you only get a small 1-minute recording file, the logs won't tell you anything

[18:58:18]

sphery:

so asking may have saved you some time

[18:58:24]

Dr^Mouse:

right gtg guys, gonna chill with a beer n watch War of the Worlds :) but I'll be back soon with the new xml-based web remote I'm currently working on...

[18:58:36]

dserban:

Yeah. It does go through all the motions so it puzzled me.

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Dr^Mouse:

I'll see you all later... Have fun! :D

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dserban:

Ok, one more for ya, I went through and painstakingly deleted a bunch of channels listed in my lineup from schedulesdirect. (PPV, SEXTV etc) crap I don't subscribe to or use. I then ran mythfilldatabase, and it put them all back in. When I flag say "House" for recording on any channels, it sometimes picks those subscription channels, making it unavailable. (It's not related to my 1 min recording issue as the stb sends a signal saying subscripti

[19:01:15]

dserban:

on service). How do I make those channel deletes permanent?

[19:01:23]

dserban:

holy crap I'm long-winded today.

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sphery:

for mythfilldatabase arguments (in mythfrontend settings under General, I think), add --remove-new-channels (though I can't guarantee that will work for non-DataDirect XMLTV usage)

[19:02:52]

sidh:

justinh: sorry but i thought Current was the opposite of -STABLE in the repository

[19:03:20]

joe2371:

Anyone have any idea if there's a difference between the MPEGs that come out of an HVR 2250 vs. those that come out of an HVR 1600? I'm trying to use the latter to estimate the decoding burden of the former.

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sphery:

joe2371: no difference

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sphery:

joe2371: both are digital recorders so they get exactly what your broadcaster sends

[19:04:40]

gbee:

jduggan: got your card yet?

[19:04:42]

sphery:

joe2371: unless you're talking about the analog side, then there's lot of difference

[19:05:36]

dserban:

sphery: thanks, I'll make sure to change the setup.

[19:06:30]

joe2371:

sphery: oic. Well the 2250s don't have analog drivers yet. But the difference in the analog sourced MPEGs would be due to different types of encoder chips used? Different encoding profiles, therefor?

[19:07:11]

jduggan:

gbee, yea, just got back from maplins for some ct100, its scanning now :D

[19:08:53]

joe2371:

Well, the important thing in my case is the digital side. I'll go ahead and capture a few sample shows at various resolutions and see what playback looks like on all of the boxes I'm thinking of repurposing as temporary FEs.

[19:09:08]

gbee:

janneg: picked up an old Nova-S but FE_SET_VOLTAGE, FE_DISEQC_SEND_MASTER_CMD are both failing – card still seems to work, but I thought you might have an idea about it?

[19:09:17]

sphery:

dserban: oh, I just realized... If you're using xmltv, you don't put that arg in (it /is/ Schedules Direct only)--you change your xmltv config (i.e. $HOME/.mythtv/<videosourcename>.conf )

[19:09:29]

sphery:

dserban: take out/comment the channels you don't want

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dserban:

sphery: ahh I see

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dserban:

perfect, that should fix it

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dserban:

So ... could I ask why the option to delete inside of myth-setup doesn't actually do what I assumed it did? (ie. where does it apply then?)

[19:11:19]

jduggan:

gbee, where are you getting those fails? in scanning?

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jduggan:

im bloody missing a bbcHD recording for this :P

[19:12:20]

sphery:

joe2371: actually, since the 2250 is a hardware encoder, too, the analog stuff would be virtually identical. I thought it was a framegrabber.

[19:12:50]

sphery:

dserban: it deleted, but then mythfilldatabase added the channels back

[19:12:58]

sphery:

i.e. after you deleted, you undid all the deletes with mfdb

[19:14:09]

sphery:

where deleting is deleting from myth

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sphery:

the xmltv configuration is something you do outside of myth for xmltv

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sphery:

(that's the --manual thing you did on setup)

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gbee:

jduggan: backend startup

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gbee:

jduggan: I don't need to scan since I'd already done it with the old card

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jduggan:

gbee, ah, im doing a full scan on the card to make sure its fine :P

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janneg:

gbee: no idea. maybe ask in #linuxtv

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gbee:

jduggan: bought the new card and eagerly went through the BBC HD schedules to discover that there isn't actually anything I want to record .. :/

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gbee:

if I'd had it three weeks ago there were a bunch of new/old nature docs showing (ok, recorded them on the other machine) but it seems ironic that I get the card the first fortnight that there isn't actually something on

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jamey:

I don't see any settings as far as screen-blanker saver, is there any? Thanks

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dserban:

sphery: thanks, I get it now. I didn't even realize I was using XMLTV :) It's a different option in myth-setup, other than SD, so I guess that's where my confusion stems from.

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meshe:

jamey: when myth isn't playing video it will allow your window manager's screen saver to run

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jduggan:

gbee, ah, yea ive been recording stephen frys 'last chance to see' season has been excellent, i've also been recording lost land of the volcano :D

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jamey:

alright, cuz what i'm thinking is i'm going to make a lirc keypress even that runs to wake up the screen saver

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jamey:

meshe: thanks was just checking there was no setting already in myth for this.

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dserban:

I also just found out that SD allows me to edit my lineup... What coolness! :)

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meshe:

the only thing that myth does to the screensaver afaik is disables it when video is playing

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jamey:

meshe: hmm, intertesting cuz mine is blanking during live tv.

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jduggan:

my parter tells me off for blanking during tv

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jduggan:

wb gbee

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meshe:

i actually disable the screensaver completely on my mythboxes

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meshe:

mainly because a remote keypress doesn't wake it up

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jduggan:

yea

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jamey:

well i'm using monitors and cant trun them off with a remote 8(

[19:51:40]

meshe:

i can't say if I've ever had a problem with it blanking while playing video

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gbee:

was playing with the power saving mode, left the room and it had gone to sleep when I came back :/ Of course sleep/suspend have never really worked for me and so I was forced to reboot

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jduggan:

rubbish

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meshe:

gbee: my netbook is the first computer that it's actually worked right on (after some config)

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jamey:

my idea around the keypress issue is to run some external command on every keypress that resests the countdown

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meshe:

myth see's all the keypresses, why not have it reset the timer

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gbee:

meshe: my netbook almost works, probably even worked perfectly with the supplied distro

[19:54:55]

meshe:

gbee: yeah, the issue with mine was the wireless driver

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gbee:

that's the other thing, while the main machine went to sleep, my netbook's battery died too :)

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meshe:

i had to have it reload it on startup

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jamey:

yeah but u cant have myth reset the timere as is can you?

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** mag0o has always had the remote wake the screen if it has gone blank **

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meshe:

gbee: ouch

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gbee:

came back to find every dead and the room in darkness (stupid power saving socket bar)

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gbee:

everything

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meshe:

jamey: when playing video myth just pokes the screen saver, effectively resetting it's timer

[19:57:02]

jamey:

well if that is fracking true then whey is my screen blancing during livetv

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gbee:

this irritaing power bar will turn off everything else connected when whatever is connected to the first socket is no longer drawing power – supposed to save power where you've got the speakers/printer/monitors all connected, only instead I've got my desk lamp/phone charger etc, turn the computer off and I'm plunged into darkness ;)

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gbee:

keep meaning to replace it with a normal one

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meshe:

good question, possibly there was a bug in myth that prevented it from working and you have a version it's not fixed in, or there's a configuration error and myth can't find your screensaver command

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meshe:

have you had a look at your frontend logs?

[19:59:34]

meshe:

gbee: ouch, that sucks

[20:00:09]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/gallery.png

[20:00:27]

iamlindoro:

Gallery view for Arclight-- not sure what I think about the cover in the buttonlist... but I think I like it

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jamey:

meshe: no haven't checked the logs yet. I will do that tonight. Thanks meshe!

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GreyFoxx:

does it have audio sounds to go with the arrow movments? :)

[20:01:52]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, which, mine?

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mag0o:

there's that blonde again

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GreyFoxx:

yes I was joking :)

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iamlindoro:

mag0o, Naw, different show!

[20:02:29]

iamlindoro:

and different blonde ;)

[20:02:50]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Well if you ask some on the users list, nothing should be committed until it meets with everyone's approval

[20:03:16]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, I've decided-- I like it, it stays

[20:03:16]

gbee:

iamlindoro: change it, Evangeline is hidden from view

[20:04:00]

iamlindoro:

gbee, http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/galleryimproved.png

[20:04:14]

gbee:

iamlindoro: considered having the banner at the top where the text is?

[20:04:57]

gbee:

iamlindoro: aye, know that backdrop well, but don't think it's a great photo :)

[20:05:21]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I have thought about it... have gone back and forth-- used that idea in Graphite and I don't like the idea of banners flickering in and out on top of titles when there's a path that both has and has no banners

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gbee:

stylish with the bamboo, but I didn't even recognise her the first time I saw it

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iamlindoro:

w/ the new MythVideo code you can tell it's the second highest rated at TVDb :)

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iamlindoro:

(as it's assigned to season 2)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: your choice :)

[20:07:07]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I'll likely re-engineer that quadrant when we have a video widget

[20:07:13]

iamlindoro:

not sure how yet, but in some way

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gbee:

I was about to suggest something, but selfishly I think I'll keep the idea for myself

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iamlindoro:

heh

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justinh:

hope I'm at my desk in time for the big channel chuckout tomorrow :)

[20:13:16]

** kormoc cheers **

[20:13:25]

kormoc:

Boondock Saints 2 trailer is out!

[20:14:23]

wagnerrp:

i didnt even know they were making a second

[20:14:31]

wagnerrp:

there has been talk of a second for a decade... but i didnt know anything ever came of it

[20:15:23]

wurst:

someone know why windows frontend is crashing after saving database details at the beginning?

[20:15:25]

resno|work:

sweet, where did you find the trailer?

[20:15:36]

resno|work:

unstable?

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wurst:

wiki sais its working

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wagnerrp:

'working' is a very relative term

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wurst:

^^

[20:16:36]

wagnerrp:

ive never even managed to get it to compile, personally

[20:16:58]

justinh:

a few people are waiting for somebody else to make it work

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resno|work:

can i nomiate someone to make it work?

[20:17:26]

resno|work:

nominate*

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kormoc:

http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/09/02/first- . . . -saints-day/

[20:18:04]

justinh:

sure. they're free to beat you up for nominating them, too

[20:18:23]

wagnerrp:

i would love a statically linked mythfrontend downloadable

[20:18:30]

wagnerrp:

but that may not even be possible due to licensing

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resno|work:

justinh: for being the first to speak up, i nominate you! thanks id like it working tommorrow.

[20:18:39]

justinh:

depends where you host it

[20:18:55]

justinh:

resno|work: oh I'm sorry. go die in a fire

[20:18:59]

justinh:

:)

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wagnerrp:

im just not too keen on having half a dozen environments and packages installed on my windows box just to shoehorn mythfrontend onto it

[20:19:11]

justinh:

(in the nicest possible way)

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resno|work:

justinh: of course im sure

[20:20:04]

justinh:

by all accounts I've seen it's not worth the effort yet

[20:20:05]

wagnerrp:

you have to install ming, and msys, and qt, and activeperl, mysql, and a bunch of other crap that doesnt really belong on windows

[20:20:26]

justinh:

wagnerrp: some hard nuts would argue the same about mythtv on linux ;)

[20:20:43]

** kormoc assigns all win32 tickets to resno|work. **

[20:20:46]

jamey:

just make web plugin for myth easy as 123

[20:20:49]

kormoc:

Due next monday, btw

[20:20:54]

** kormoc blinks **

[20:21:01]

** kormoc eyes jamey **

[20:21:03]

justinh:

uhhh libmp3lame? ooo no. patent lawyer paradise

[20:21:11]

** resno|work launches windows to start working on developement **

[20:21:18]

justinh:

ffmpeg? ooo no, patent lawyer paradise

[20:22:00]

wagnerrp:

justinh: the windows frontend doesnt load that crap through d-show filters?

[20:22:13]

resno|work:

does the front-end use its own instance of a database?

[20:22:27]

meshe:

no

[20:22:29]

justinh:

no frontend uses its own database

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resno|work:

ok, i didnt think that would make sense

[20:22:58]

justinh:

you were right :)

[20:23:14]

jduggan:

is there a setting that says livetv can only use X input? i cant view livetv as it says it cant tune multiplex for 101 (input 1 is being used), however i can set a recording for 101 that starts right now without a problem

[20:23:27]

jduggan:

using input 2

[20:23:50]

jduggan:

guess its a backend setting, but cant stop it yet as its recording

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justinh:

awww channel regulars letting the side down :(

[20:26:01]

justinh:

though with the analogue switchoff looming we're considering taking 'live' for a test drive

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justinh:

jduggan: methinks you'd benefit from the 'browse across tuners' feature in trunk

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resno|work:

justinh: trunk isnt production ready right?

[20:27:35]

justinh:

but yeah there's kind of a way you can set a tuner to prioritise livetv AFAIK & it needs a backend restart

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justinh:

resno|work: bugger knows. I've not ran it for ages

[20:27:57]

iamlindoro:

resno|work, if it were production ready we'd have a release

[20:28:11]

resno|work:

iamlindoro: touche. point taken

[20:28:24]

justinh:

chances are you'd be fine with it for all intents & purposes, if you catch it at the right time

[20:28:28]

jduggan:

hmm

[20:28:43]

jduggan:

thx justinh

[20:28:58]

resno|work:

i am new to the whole open source world, with regards to linux type stuff... so excuse my noobismness

[20:28:59]

justinh:

jduggan: I didn't solve it though

[20:29:22]

justinh:

mythtv isn't quite like some other (cough) OSS projects

[20:29:55]

** iamlindoro beers greg the secret IRC lurker for posting a kind response to the thread from hell :) **

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justinh:

not the 'why is my ticket closed' thread surely? l-)

[20:31:10]

iamlindoro:

no, the "metadata images should never have been committed they're so not ready because I have to wait one second to load them the first time" thread

[20:32:11]

justinh:

yeah just read that one

[20:32:23]

justinh:

expected better from mr khupal, in fairness

[20:32:42]

iamlindoro:

because as we all know, myth has never had a feature committed/in a release that wasn't a 100% finished product

[20:32:55]

justinh:

weren't they once a very regular contributor?

[20:33:01]

iamlindoro:

59 commits lifetime

[20:33:04]

iamlindoro:

last in 2008

[20:33:08]

iamlindoro:

yes, I checked :)

[20:33:24]

justinh:

the politics might've got in the way, as they have a nasty habit of doing

[20:33:43]

kormoc:

it always gets in the way

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** kormoc sighs **

[20:33:53]

justinh:

down with egos :)

[20:34:08]

** kormoc lights them on fire **

[20:34:20]

justinh:

I'm guilty of it too. just can't be helped

[20:34:22]

mangus580:

ok, so I have a question... am I wasting my time even trying to experiment with myth... using a framegrabber?

[20:34:38]

justinh:

mangus580: depends what you hope to acheive

[20:34:43]

iamlindoro:

mangus580, Well, it certainly won't be a *nice* experience

[20:34:49]

gbee:

considering the only theme which uses fanart is Graphite, and that isn't a core theme I don't see what the problem is

[20:34:51]

iamlindoro:

mangus580, but you can still learn a lot

[20:35:02]

justinh:

mangus580: if you want to decide whether or not to go with mythtv on grounds of picture quality.. disregard the framegrabber

[20:35:02]

mangus580:

well for instance, I have a 20 minute show... thats like 3.8 gb

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resno|work:

mangus580: what are you trying to do? what have you done?

[20:35:08]

gbee:

is this on the -user list btw?

[20:35:13]

justinh:

gbee: aye

[20:35:30]

justinh:

gbee: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/399769

[20:35:38]

wagnerrp:

mangus580: oof... 3.8GB for 20 minutes is pretty massive even for HD

[20:35:39]

mangus580:

just trying to learn and get setup... while I wait for my new card to come

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resno|work:

mangus580: wow, thats a bit high

[20:35:44]

mangus580:

(which may be a while)

[20:35:51]

mangus580:

I thought so too

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justinh:

mangus580: don't worry about the file size

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justinh:

with framegrabbers there's a big tradeoff between video quality, cpu cycles burnt & file size

[20:36:28]

mangus580:

I am thinking I have a pile of bad settings too

[20:36:37]

justinh:

with digital tuning, what you get on disk is what is broadcast

[20:37:00]

mangus580:

will I be happy with a PVR-500?

[20:37:10]

justinh:

mangus580: depends on your expectations

[20:37:16]

wagnerrp:

uncompressed would only be ~12GB for that length

[20:37:26]

mangus580:

well, I dont do HD

[20:37:50]

justinh:

mangus580: it'd be about as good as a standalone DVD recorder's quality.

[20:38:02]

justinh:

mangus580: i.e. you won't get any better for PC capture of analogue signals

[20:38:11]

mangus580:

so I should be as happy as I am with my cable co's DVR

[20:38:34]

justinh:

probably not, since your cable DVR prolly records the digital stream with no quality loss

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mangus580:

hmm

[20:39:28]

mangus580:

not that I care 'that' much on the quality

[20:39:30]

gbee:

damn, hate to say it, but Kevin has a point (one we've all acknowledged at some point) and I don't think his post was badly put either

[20:39:37]

justinh:

whether or not you can spot the difference on your TV.. and whether or not you can live with any difference you see.. that's your call

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mangus580:

I figure the tv is always going to be my weak link... its an 8 year old 26" magnovox....

[20:40:24]

mangus580:

certainly aint high tech!

[20:40:51]

justinh:

gbee: the whole of my misgivings about fan art etc has always been about the image loading, which I know will be a sod to solve

[20:41:15]

gbee:

but the release date was chosen for us, I'd already written the threading patch before it was announced but simply couldn't commit something with such a huge potential for instability that late in the day

[20:41:47]

gbee:

in fact I stopped working on it so that I could focus on bug fixes

[20:41:55]

justinh:

if only the qt painter could be thrown away immediately (sorry).. just do it all on the fly :)

[20:42:00]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I have to disagree-- the experience may not be optimal yet, but I take exception to the notion that the features themselves should never have been committed because it's not a finished product yet

[20:42:28]

gbee:

iamlindoro: think we should s/committed/enabled/

[20:42:42]

justinh:

if the extra images will always be looked for in themes which define them, then maybe there should be an alternative

[20:42:46]

iamlindoro:

And there are countless features in myth that have gone release after release without ever having the polish of what we now have in MythVideo/with fanart/etc.

[20:43:01]

Greek-Boy:

hello all

[20:43:02]

Greek-Boy:

:-)

[20:43:03]

mangus580:

justinh: are you saying I should spend 3 times the $ for the HD Homerun?

[20:43:14]

justinh:

users can then choose whether they have to tolerate the loading times :)

[20:43:16]

mangus580:

to ge the 'best' experience?

[20:43:28]

iamlindoro:

justinh, Users *can* choose. Don't use a theme that uses them.

[20:43:28]

justinh:

mangus580: I'm not saying anything like that

[20:43:29]

gbee:

I don't think we should stop features of that scope being committed, but it might have been an idea to disable it (by default) for a release – too late for that though

[20:44:46]

Greek-Boy:

while we are on the topic of MythVideo. Is it possible to store content on multiple backends?

[20:44:47]

gbee:

I do think there has been a sudden rise in unrealistic expectations, driven by other products such as Apple TV, iPhones and MCE etc

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iamlindoro:

It's very hard not to take exception to the whole thing, given basically 100% of the code *and* theme is mine, so I'm trying to take that into account

[20:45:12]

mangus580:

the way I see it... is if I can be close to what I have now, I dont really care

[20:45:24]

justinh:

gbee: blogs & certain podcasts geeing up mythui beyond what it can do yet haven't helped

[20:45:32]

mangus580:

honestly, for 99% of our DVR content, I would be happy to lose some quality for functionality

[20:45:43]

mangus580:

plus, I intend to transcode some for streaming to my phone, etc

[20:45:54]

justinh:

mangus580: bear in mind the pvr500 is only a dual analogue tuner card though

[20:46:00]

gbee:

no-one really cared so much about MythTV being a polished product before, it never has been in the past, but the moment we start making that effort suddenly everyone expects it to be finished

[20:46:01]

mangus580:

right

[20:46:07]

iamlindoro:

but IMO, taking all those things into account, I still don't think any of what I've added even *approaches* the confusing scope of something like, for example, live TV behavior, or the scheduler

[20:46:08]

Greek-Boy:

in the last 2 weeks i have made 50 MythTV installations

[20:46:10]

Greek-Boy:

:-)

[20:46:21]

iamlindoro:

gbee, You have a good point

[20:46:35]

mangus580:

I am actually thinking of using the PVR500, connected to the cable box via S-video (to get the digital cable content from it)

[20:46:55]

wagnerrp:

mangus580: make sure you get a daughter card as well

[20:47:00]

justinh:

it's fair in the spotlight these days, only ever mentioned next to boxee (spit!) & XBMC (double spit)

[20:47:14]

wagnerrp:

the video inputs on the back of the card only connect to one of the encoders

[20:47:14]

kormoc:

why wait for features to stabilize by themselves when we can pick a random date and release then?

[20:47:17]

justinh:

so you could argue comparisons are understandable

[20:47:23]

mangus580:

i know wagnerrp

[20:47:26]

wagnerrp:

you need a daughter card connected to a header on the board to access the other encoder

[20:47:27]

wagnerrp:

ok

[20:47:45]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, it just saps my resolve to finish everything and *make* it what it should be when I hear the ceaseless bitching about how it's not yet

[20:48:05]

justinh:

and why the sudden concern with "we have to get a release out ASAP" anyway.. I was puzzled. God, next thing there's gonna be an effort to clean up feature requests

[20:48:17]

iamlindoro:

I'll still do it, I'll just be sad that to them, it will validate their viewpoint that they were right, when it's what I intended to do all along

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gbee:

iamlindoro: and yes, it's very easy to take these things to heart – I do it all the time, but being on the other side this time I know that it's really not personal – the real problem isn't with your code after all, it's a failing of mythui that we're blocking the UI when loading/scaling those images

[20:48:42]

mangus580:

I suppose the PVR-500 has got to be better than the junk framegrabber I have now!

[20:48:53]

wagnerrp:

mangus580: absolutely

[20:48:55]

mangus580:

wish I could use my ATI all inwonder

[20:49:03]

justinh:

oh no. not in linux. not ever

[20:49:06]

wagnerrp:

(the AIW is a framegrabber)

[20:49:14]

mangus580:

I wondered as much

[20:49:28]

mangus580:

it did produce much better quality than this one I am using now though

[20:50:03]

wagnerrp:

it just has some special mechanism that allows video to pass into the display buffer, and straight onto your screen, without touching most of the system

[20:50:09]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Well, we'll get there-- but IMO I am really happy with what we're managing to get out for this release. I don't consider my part of the work done, but I certainly do hope people take stock of what .21 was like

[20:50:17]

gbee:

but that's not my fault either, mythuiimage was never designed to be non-blocking, if you really want to blame someone for lack of foresight you could pin the blame on Isaac :) However I don't think anyone can take 'blame' for this, things just evolved

[20:50:23]

wagnerrp:

so there is no processing, no system load, no memory load

[20:50:44]

wagnerrp:

mangus580: tvtime does something very similar, only in software

[20:50:58]

wagnerrp:

you may have a considerable loss in quality during capture and encoding depending on what your settings are

[20:51:35]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I try my best to give you your due when possible. I think it's absolutely fine that it block for now. In my eyes the advantages of the new UI outweigh the limitations in a massive way

[20:51:48]

iamlindoro:

And people who can't see that are assholes :)

[20:52:10]

gbee:

iamlindoro: if I had any sway in the matter I'd cancel the release of 0.22 and tell everyone that they complained too much, they'd have to wait until 0.23 (or whenever we stop hearing complaints)

[20:52:13]

mangus580:

I guess for the price of the tvr500... I cant really go too wrong

[20:52:13]

wagnerrp:

people who cant see that havent been using mythtv for the last several years

[20:52:21]

iamlindoro:

gbee, hahaha

[20:52:59]

resno|work:

outsiders will always complian, i say just do what you think is best and ignore them

[20:53:09]

kormoc:

gbee++

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justinh:

resno|work: dead easy to say to ignore the naysayers. It's ****ing hard to do in reality

[20:53:45]

gbee:

I'm not joking either, I've seen what damage perception can do to a project, Vista and KDE 4.1 are two examples which come immediately to mind – they released too soon and took a severe kicking

[20:53:56]

kormoc:

Yup

[20:54:02]

kormoc:

and we're crusing for a brusing...

[20:54:12]

justinh:

you step up to the plate, toss your coins into the hat, whatever.. put your head over the wall & people take pot-shots at you like you wouldn't believe

[20:54:13]

wagnerrp:

gbee: i thought 4.1 was the cleanup after 4.0 took a kicking

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kormoc:

we don't have enough themes, things just are not ready...

[20:54:18]

wagnerrp:

(ive not used either)

[20:54:25]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: and even that was beaten down

[20:54:36]

gbee:

and unlike those projects, we don't really have the mass to absorb that flak

[20:54:40]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: these days, kde4 is just considered broken, they'll need to go to 5 to get out of it

[20:54:42]

justinh:

come on, it's not gonna be any worse than 0.17 was :)

[20:54:54]

kormoc:

yeah it is

[20:55:09]

kormoc:

we killed all the themes, and peopel will go apecrap over that

[20:55:12]

resno|work:

can things really be/are that bad?

[20:55:24]

** wagnerrp wasnt around for 0.17 **

[20:55:28]

justinh:

they're not killed as such

[20:55:34]

kormoc:

"We replaced your favorite themes for these unfinished ones"

[20:55:46]

mangus580:

you killed my theme?????????????????????????

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gbee:

wagnerrp: I thought 4.1 was when they turned round and said that it was truly ready to replace 3.5, only it wasn't because several major components and applications were missing

[20:55:47]

mangus580:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

Hye guys, can you help me out? I just installed .22 and now I can't get MythPhone to start. Guys?

[20:56:54]

gbee:

resno|work: no, things aren't that bad at all, but expectations are too high (not our doing) and now we can't meet them

[20:57:21]

justinh:

well, as the project which formerly didn't care a rat's ass about PR.. ;-)

[20:57:23]

resno|work:

gbee: i gotcha.

[20:57:36]

kormoc:

we're a bunch of jaded developers tis all ;)

[20:57:59]

wagnerrp:

well so far, ive seen two more themes posted here or in the ML

[20:58:12]

justinh:

it's not as if the proposed 0.23 is all that far away. what was it.. like January or something?

[20:58:15]

wagnerrp:

would it be worth it approaching those authors and getting those themes cleaned up and committed?

[20:58:23]

resno|work:

out of curosity, how are the themes strcutured?

[20:58:31]

wagnerrp:

resno|work: XML

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justinh:

resno|work: xml files & image files

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wagnerrp:

theres a crapload of documentation on the wiki for it

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Captain_Murdoch:

personally, I'd like to see blue-abstract-wide in the release if possible.

[20:59:04]

justinh:

piss easy. roll a new one out in a night. one with polish, no alignment issues or breakage could take _months_

[20:59:25]

resno|work:

wagnerrp: i figured, but just wondering how much development on takes

[20:59:39]

justinh:

resno|work: depends how much you'd like it to suck

[20:59:51]

justinh:

attention to details takes a LOT of time & effort

[21:00:10]

kormoc:

and given mythui isn't fully everywhere yet, a lot of work to keep up with the ui changes

[21:00:27]

wagnerrp:

what justinh said, example: iamlindoro is several months into graphite, while supposedly the other two themes are derivative works of graphite

[21:00:51]

iamlindoro:

abstract takes some from blootube, too

[21:00:58]

orificium_:

graphite is nice but it seems to bog my system down a bit

[21:01:00]

resno|work:

i guess i should look more at the docs, but is there a framework for it?

[21:01:05]

orificium_:

Terra is cool

[21:01:08]

wagnerrp:

orificium_: how much memory do you have?

[21:01:09]

iamlindoro:

mag0o has a good theme for kids coming, that looks promising

[21:01:18]

orificium_:

I really like the new Mythbuntu default theme

[21:01:21]

justinh:

I mean, I was pretty keen to start on new theme work, got sidetracked into putting new stuff into the UI code – then like a day later found out the release timetable & just gave up aiming for 0.22

[21:01:27]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: good answer btw for the theme thread... ;-)

[21:01:39]

PeaceKeeper:

I have been using mythtv for a long time (since April 2003) and I can say I appreciate the hard work (Thank you). I would only say if .22 is not ready them I would wait. As much as I would like to play with the new UI; We have waited this long, and ppl just need to be patient.

[21:01:47]

orificium_:

wagnerrp: 2GB minus 512 for onboard graphics

[21:02:03]

wagnerrp:

what onboard graphics, specifically?

[21:02:04]

iamlindoro:

PeaceKeeper, Not much of a choice at this point-- though to stop a moving ship

[21:02:20]

orificium_:

wagnerrp: 750a – I hear its equivalent to 8200/8300

[21:02:29]

PeaceKeeper:

IMHO most ppl are just eager for VDPAU and HD-PVR support in an official release. So they are being pushy...

[21:02:31]

iamlindoro:

PeaceKeeper, We've got whole distros nearly done being built around it, and a group fairly determined to see it out in a week or two

[21:02:36]

wagnerrp:

orificium_: under windows maybe...

[21:02:45]

wagnerrp:

under linux, ATI driver support is poor at best

[21:02:52]

iamlindoro:

anyway, it'll be okay IMO, it just won't be everything people want it to be just yet

[21:02:55]

orificium_:

It's a Nvidia 750a

[21:02:59]

kormoc:

You know, As a dev with a pile of tickets I *need* to finish before release, I don't even know the timeline beyond "any day now"

[21:03:00]

orificium_:

Not ATI

[21:03:10]

wagnerrp:

oh? never heard of it

[21:03:13]

orificium_:

wagnerrp: Asus M3N-HD/HDMI

[21:03:18]

jamey:

no ati is getting pretty good now

[21:03:26]

orificium_:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131280

[21:03:40]

Captain_Murdoch:

kormoc, hasn't been discussed recently, so no hard date is set that I know of.

[21:03:44]

jamey:

catatylst 9.10 is working awsome

[21:03:49]

justinh:

not heard of ATI's video acceleration efforts for linux lately

[21:04:06]

** Captain_Murdoch thinks we needed the freeze to get people working on bugfixes/reporting. **

[21:04:06]

orificium_:

wagnerrp: heh it just says "Onboard Video Chipset: NVIDIA GeForce 8 series"

[21:04:06]

justinh:

that's where all the fun is

[21:04:17]

jamey:

not any problems got blue rays playing perfect on there cheapest cards

[21:04:22]

iamlindoro:

I tried to see if I could get a firm date pinned down the other day, that was met with the usual silence

[21:04:26]

justinh:

jamey: using your CPU, sure

[21:04:29]

kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch: that's a part of the problem, we missed the first release date and the second and no talk of a third yet that I know of...

[21:04:32]

jamey:

4350

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jamey:

gpu

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wagnerrp:

then yes, its probably a 8200 or 8300 (those were the two onboard chips of that generation

[21:04:57]

jamey:

using xv

[21:04:59]

justinh:

jamey: not on linux you ain't

[21:05:11]

wagnerrp:

as long as youre using the nvidia drivers, it should work fine

[21:05:12]

justinh:

jamey: Xv != GPU accelerated video playback

[21:05:21]

orificium_:

wagnerrp: HD from local channels isn't the smoothest but recently I disabled composite and it helped a bit.

[21:05:24]

PeaceKeeper:

iamlindoro: Well if the devs feel like it is good enough to release then I am not complaining. :) I just want the release to be stable. You know how ppl are. They complain, it gets released, and if they miss a recording, they complain....

[21:05:27]

orificium_:

wagnerrp: I'm using VDPAU

[21:05:38]

wagnerrp:

justinh: thats exactly what it is

[21:05:42]

iamlindoro:

PeaceKeeper, Do I ever :)

[21:05:44]

justinh:

Xv gives you scaling & colour space conversion on the GPU. Finito. Not video decoding as such

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resno|work:

whats the problem if it doesnt meet expectations?

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jamey:

oh yeah not sure about in mythtv, I can play xv in mplayer perfectly

[21:06:36]

justinh:

Xv doesn't get you offload of h.264 decoding :)

[21:06:51]

wagnerrp:

resno|work: bad press, loss of users (loss of possible new coders)

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orificium_:

wagnerrp: Using 180.44 right now, but thinking about downloading latest drivers to see if things get better

[21:07:02]

wagnerrp:

no, but it is playback acceleration

[21:07:05]

iamlindoro:

possible loss of existing coders if people get obnoxious enough

[21:07:11]

justinh:

jamey: yeah but even with Xv, which mythtv indeed uses.. it's still gonna be your CPU doing h.264 decoding etc

[21:07:33]

jamey:

ah, i see

[21:07:36]

orificium_:

Anyone here coding the MythUI wanna add a feature for me? :)

[21:07:41]

** CyberKnet looks at iamlindoro quizzically **

[21:07:44]

kormoc:

resno|work: as coders, we know if it sucks or not, getting flooded with people telling you that it sucks and all that just makes it... not worth doing more work...

[21:07:58]

wagnerrp:

orificium_: anything not planned will be waiting for 0.23, if at all

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orificium_:

wagnerrp: Ever see the LinuxMCE UI with Flickr images rotating in the background?

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justinh:

orificium_: you say rotation & I'll send you a patch you can work with (to expand upon it)

[21:08:32]

Captain_Murdoch:

kormoc, first target I remember being talked about was "by october"

[21:08:33]

resno|work:

so really, the release will open the flood gates, for better or worse?

[21:08:38]

jamey:

well basically the only thing that nvidia has that ati doesn't is vdapu correct?

[21:08:38]

justinh:

orificium_: yes, and it sucks

[21:08:56]

justinh:

jamey: yeah. ati are "working on it"

[21:08:57]

orificium_:

justinh: Yeah, the interface at the bottom sucks, but I dig the rotating images.

[21:09:24]

kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch: Early August I was sure we were shooting for end of Augest and then middle of September when that slipped....

[21:09:25]

** kormoc shrugs **

[21:09:36]

CyberKnet:

kormoc: When it happens, eh?

[21:09:52]

orificium_:

justinh: Patch? :)

[21:10:14]

wagnerrp:

CyberKnet: basically, its been a few weeks away for a couple months now

[21:10:25]

wagnerrp:

its all bug fixes and cleanup, however long that takes

[21:10:28]

PeaceKeeper:

Has MythWeb changed at all? (I need to load SVN and help test I guess)

[21:10:32]

justinh:

and then somebody coming along & saying that what theming stuff should really do is do the work in scripts .. IMHO turning mere XML editors & artists into coders.. sheesh. Abandon all hope

[21:10:32]

CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: Yep, that's the nature of things. I'm relaxed, and ejoying the lull :)

[21:10:41]

kormoc:

PeaceKeeper: yes, and I have outstanding bugs bout it right now

[21:10:44]

wagnerrp:

PeaceKeeper: mostly background stuff

[21:10:45]

iamlindoro:

PeaceKeeper, Below the hood, quite a lot-- experiencewise, a little

[21:10:53]

wagnerrp:

not much you would notice just looking at it

[21:11:08]

wagnerrp:

things have been sped up a bit, the flash player was swapped out for a different one

[21:11:26]

kormoc:

but if you find more, open up tickets

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[21:12:02]

wagnerrp:

kormoc finally bowed to the pressures of 'open source' and rewrote it in python

[21:12:08]

CyberKnet:

A while back I got a PVR-500 because I wanted dual analog input in one card. Is there another PCI card prevailing that does hardware mpeg2 compression and captures two analog inputs? Having trouble with my -500 :|

[21:12:10]

kormoc:

Totally

[21:12:12]

iamlindoro:

at last!

[21:12:14]

kormoc:

took 4 lines of code

[21:12:19]

iamlindoro:

It took all of us explaining OSS to him

[21:12:19]

PeaceKeeper:

ahhh I can do some php / mysql, but that is the extent of my ability. But I might be able to hunt down some bug.

[21:12:29]

kormoc:

I'm a thick headed one...

[21:12:38]

PeaceKeeper:

haha

[21:12:38]

wagnerrp:

one of them is a blank line

[21:12:39]

Captain_Murdoch:

kormoc, nah. I had a bunch of nights free in Aug and was still putting in and working on features. When we talked about the freeze in early Sep, I started working on bugfixes.

[21:12:43]

meshe:

PeaceKeeper: that's what it's written in :)

[21:13:07]

kormoc:

PeaceKeeper: we're joking bout the python

[21:13:24]

kormoc:

PeaceKeeper: I had some python zealot tell me I didn't understand OSS when I wouldn't port mythweb to python *now* for him

[21:13:30]

CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: It may look like a blank line in python, but that's actually 30 lines of perl compressed. :P

[21:13:33]

kormoc:

Captain_Murdoch: my mistake then, whoops

[21:14:14]

PeaceKeeper:

Well, then I might be a little more helpful :p. Now I just need to get upgraded to SVN. That might be a little hard sine I only have one server at this moment. (WAF)

[21:14:27]

CyberKnet:

good old WAF

[21:14:30]

wagnerrp:

CyberKnet: where do the other 80k lines fit?

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kormoc:

PeaceKeeper: luckly you can run more then one mythweb at a time ;)

[21:14:46]

kormoc:

PeaceKeeper: I can help you set that up if you want

[21:14:55]

CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: the low order bytes, I would imagine. That, or sparse files.

[21:15:16]

resno|work:

kormoc: is setting up two mythwebs "hard"?

[21:15:21]

kormoc:

not at all

[21:15:39]

PeaceKeeper:

New mythweb run on .21? Or I need .22 for new (This is my guess)?

[21:15:51]

wagnerrp:

0.22

[21:16:04]

wagnerrp:

its tied to the backend protocol version

[21:16:11]

kormoc:

yeah, for now ;)

[21:16:24]

wagnerrp:

and while it doesnt specifically check, changes in schema will break things too

[21:16:29]

kormoc:

I do plan on getting the php bindings along side the perl ones and then having it use whatever

[21:16:35]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: ooh, we check

[21:16:35]

PeaceKeeper:

Ok, looks like I will be checking out SVN in the next few days, then I will have to get with you kormoc.

[21:16:44]

kormoc:

rgr!

[21:16:49]

kormoc:

more devs the better!

[21:17:08]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: ah... guess the only time ive had a schema rev issue is when i also had a backend proto issue

[21:17:21]

wagnerrp:

so i never saw the schema warning

[21:17:33]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: I have a way to disable those checks, but they're on by default

[21:17:37]

resno|work:

kormoc: like i said yesterday, id like to help. never worked on a project like this though.

[21:17:57]

kormoc:

resno|work: that's okay, just start scratching any itches you have and ask questions :)

[21:18:04]

meshe:

kormoc: http://search.cpan.org/~dconway/Acme-Bleach-1 . . . me/Bleach.pm

[21:18:21]

** kormoc laughs **

[21:18:25]

resno|work:

how long has myth been out?

[21:18:25]

kormoc:

meshe: awesome!

[21:18:31]

meshe:

isn't it? :)

[21:18:32]

kormoc:

resno|work: 2002?

[21:18:35]

wagnerrp:

mythweb with mythvideo storage groups is going to be a bit one for complaints

[21:18:58]

wagnerrp:

(even thought SGs are technically a demo like the flash streaming)

[21:18:58]

kormoc:

yeah...

[21:18:58]

meshe:

quote: "The first time you run a program under use Acme::Bleach, the module removes all the unsightly printable characters from your source file"

[21:19:05]

** CyberKnet stopped contributing to MythWeb a long time back – php skills not good enough **

[21:19:06]

PeaceKeeper:

What is the recommended theme for .22 (since I will be dealing with some WAF)? I am looking for function not really the prettiest.

[21:19:37]

kormoc:

CyberKnet: ooh, that's not true! )

[21:19:48]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: I've been tempted to disable mythvideo from mythweb for the release

[21:19:52]

kormoc:

cause it's just not ready

[21:20:11]

CyberKnet:

kormoc: which is my mythweather themeing patch is still in, and the SI units patch was rewritten by someone else? :P

[21:20:15]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: suggesting it as an itch, if someone else is willing to scratch

[21:20:17]

CyberKnet:

*grin*

[21:20:18]

PeaceKeeper:

I have used myth since .7 or .8 in April 2003. Before that I was using some hacked together scripts.

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PeaceKeeper:

but I think it was in 2002...

[21:20:54]

orificium_:

PeaceKeeper: I think Mythbuntu Default Theme is the clean and simple.

[21:21:01]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: might be enough just to ignore any videos without a '/' as the first character in the filename

[21:21:03]

orificium_:

PeaceKeeper: -the :)

[21:21:18]

kormoc:

we'll see

[21:21:23]

PeaceKeeper:

orificium_: thx, That will be nice and easy :)

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: Yeah, it's alright. PHP isn't my strong point. Now if you decide to rewrite mythweb in C# using mono ... let me know :D

[21:22:10]

** CyberKnet looks for the flame-retardant box **

[21:22:23]

kormoc:

heh

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orificium_:

PeaceKeeper: It's only with Karmic http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/mythbuntu/daily-live/current/ or you can find the tar.gz on launchpad somewhere if you're using .22 through auto-build repos

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** J-e-f-f-A hasn't had Mono since he was a kid... ;-) **

[21:23:30]

** iamlindoro thinks Arclight is clean and ... well, clean. What, you guys aren't using it? **

[21:23:31]

iamlindoro:

;)

[21:23:43]

CyberKnet:

seriously though, if the PVR-500 is EOL'd, what is the new PCI option that does the same in linux? (dual hardware mpeg analog capture)

[21:23:48]

justinh:

orificium_: it's a rip-off of my 'concept' theme I started IMHO.. but not as good ;-)

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wagnerrp:

CyberKnet: there isnt

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PeaceKeeper:

kormoc: you remember this? http://web.archive.org/web/20021002053252/myt . . . /mythweb.png ?

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: egads.

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justinh:

CyberKnet: the MPAA et al kyboshed all that

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wagnerrp:

the closest replacement is the HVR-2250, and thats PCI, and the mpeg encoders are not supported under linux yet

[21:24:45]

kormoc:

PeaceKeeper: ha, that's before me actually :)

[21:24:45]

CyberKnet:

hmm... no analog support in the driver for the HVR-2250

[21:24:55]

justinh:

ebay!

[21:24:56]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, if you ignore all files not starting with / then you'll ignore everything. part of the MV upgrade converts filenames to relative pathnames instead of fully qualified pathnames.

[21:24:56]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: I could care less if my PVR-500 is EOL'd by the manufacturer ... it still works... and I'll continue to use it while I still have analog s-video sources to get into Myth... ;-)

[21:25:17]

CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: Well .... mine is giving me weird video

[21:25:25]

CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: Hence the desire to replace it.

[21:25:26]

wagnerrp:

Captain_Murdoch: oh? well its been a while since ive used non-SG videos

[21:25:41]

Captain_Murdoch:

yeah, we did a DB upgrade to convert them.

[21:25:47]

** CyberKnet wonders if he should donate to stoth to encourage analog support for the 2250 **

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orificium_:

PeaceKeeper: I like the quote at the top.

[21:26:07]

J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: They're availble for $39 online – with a strange HP media center bracket, but that shouldn't be an issue for you... do some googling... ;-)

[21:26:10]

justinh:

whatever happened to those quotes? I liked them

[21:26:18]

PeaceKeeper:

kormoc: Well when ppl complain send them that screenshot :) Put it in perspective.

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CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: Well ... here's the weird thing. This card worked fine in Fedora, it wasn't until I installed Mythbuntu that I got the glitches in the video, but I *really* like Mythbuntu... to the point that I was willing to replace the tuner card

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wagnerrp:

ok, time to go home...

[21:27:53]

CyberKnet:

J-e-f-f-A: I have long liked the quality that my -500 got me.

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xris:

PeaceKeeper: that png is the reason I took over mythweb. :)

[21:29:05]

justinh:

we need more themes like GANT. GANT is the reason I got into theming

[21:29:23]

kormoc:

It's a GANT life yo!

[21:29:25]

orificium_:

justinh: Isn't that what Terra is replacing?

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PeaceKeeper:

xris: :D

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J-e-f-f-A:

CyberKnet: The only problem I had with my PVR cards was when I last updated my box, I hit an ivtv bug that got me 'scratchy' audio about 1/10th of the time... But I just got that worked around with a newer version of vrl2-ctrl ...

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justinh:

hahaha http://web.archive.org/web/20070225150433/htt . . . juski.co.uk/

[21:29:55]

justinh:

it's not worthy!

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iamlindoro:

justinh, Not to worry, I seem to have pissed off enough people w/ choices made for Graphite that we now have tons of people starting to theme! :)

[21:30:21]

** J-e-f-f-A considers creating "JANT" for 0.22... – Just Another New Theme... ;-) **

[21:30:31]

kormoc:

clever!

[21:30:34]

justinh:

iamlindoro: result!

[21:30:53]

** gbee remembers when everyone was excited about Terra, now they are racing to write replacements **

[21:30:57]

anykey_:

[21:31:04]

iamlindoro:

gbee, I like Terra :)

[21:31:10]

justinh:

I fear a raft of similar looking themes appearing

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** CyberKnet is still waiting for Terra. **

[21:31:21]

iamlindoro:

gbee, Terra's consistency is a large part of my starting Arclight

[21:31:24]

CyberKnet:

I love Terra when I used it a few months ago. A bit buggy, but really nice.

[21:31:27]

** justinh is always pessimistic **

[21:31:30]

Dagmar:

SUPRISE

[21:31:37]

Dagmar:

Your fanless cooler isn't working as expected!

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PeaceKeeper:

iamlindoro: Genius!

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iamlindoro:

gbee, ie I'm not trying to replace it, I'm trying to reproduce its consistency

[21:31:56]

anykey_:

Dagmar: nothing fanless here...

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justinh:

anykey_: then the fan has failed :P

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justinh:

or the kids have blocked all the vents with sweets & biccies :P

[21:32:35]

gbee:

the thing about Terra is that I was trying to create the anti-theme, the antidote to all those blue/grey themes than came before it, I don't expect everyone to like the colour scheme or the design and I wasn't expecting it to replace GANT

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orificium_:

iamlindoro: Have you released a copy of Arclight?

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iamlindoro:

orificium_, No, it's not ready, it'll likely be released in time for .23

[21:33:22]

iamlindoro:

And people get to go buy a real grownup font to use it :)

[21:33:23]

gbee:

Terra ain't even finished :/

[21:33:34]

iamlindoro:

oh, and the license prevents tampering :)

[21:33:44]

iamlindoro:

Wonder how many themes THAT will spawn ;)

[21:33:51]

anykey_:

iamlindoro: still Frutiger? ;)

[21:33:59]

iamlindoro:

anykey_, yeah

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anykey_:

nice

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sphery:

iamlindoro: speaking of grown-up fonts is CartoGothic (or whatever) a real font or a "free" font

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iamlindoro:

Though I must say gbutters showed me a couple open source fonts that, to my shock and awe, are not half bad

[21:34:45]

sphery:

"free" meaning that many of the freely available ones may not be FOSS or may have stolen designs from commercial fonts

[21:34:52]

gbee:

expect my next theme to be released under a no-derivatives license

[21:34:57]

iamlindoro:

justinh, http://www.theleagueofmoveabletype.com/

[21:35:00]

iamlindoro:

gbee, ^^

[21:35:01]

CyberKnet:

buy .... you want us to ... buy ... something for Myth that is not hardware?

[21:35:07]

CyberKnet:

I don't get it.

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Dagmar:

It's a free font which has a "real" version with more styles

[21:35:36]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Well, Carto seems suspiciously Fruity--- or rather, Fruti

[21:36:03]

iamlindoro:

sphery, But in practice its strokes a re a fair bit heavier than Frutiger

[21:36:05]

sphery:

so it may be a font that steals from a real font

[21:36:09]

orificium_:

iamlindoro: Looks nice, I'm checking out the screenshots.

[21:36:24]

orificium_:

They better nto cancel Defying Gravity :)

[21:36:24]

iamlindoro:

orificium_, http://www.fecitfacta.com/Arclight/ ?

[21:36:27]

CyberKnet:

I'm just curious ... why are you both wanting to release themes under a license that prevent derivitives for a project whose license freely permits derivitives... what have you been through previously that makes you want people to not be able to build off of your work?

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iamlindoro:

orificium_, heh, it's already gone

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Dagmar:

sphery: If they did they're looking at a suit then http://www.fontsite.com/download-fonts-c-e/cartogothic-pro/

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iamlindoro:

CyberKnet, Arclight won't be a part of Myth

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Dagmar:

Not many people have the cojones to go ripping off glyphs and then try to sell them

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CyberKnet:

iamlindoro: What will it be part of?

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iamlindoro:

it's my personal project on my time, and it's not meant for distribution w/ Myth, so why not prevent the horking up of my artistic design?

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orificium_:

iamlindoro: Yeah, found a few of those linked on gossamer

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sphery:

Dagmar: stolen meaning that they stole the artistic design--though they may have completely re-created the glyphs

[21:37:44]

CyberKnet:

iamlindoro: Understand I'm not inferring you shouldn't do that ... just curious about the why

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iamlindoro:

orificium_, Design has changes somewhat, so there's varying levels of comparison to what it looks like right now, but that should be pretty close

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sphery:

Dagmar: which is true of a /vast/ number of free fonts

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Dagmar:

sphery: I'm not sure it's possible to do a sans serif font anymore without SOMEONE already having done the look of all your glyphs

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iamlindoro:

CyberKnet, because, for one thing, the core look and feel of the work is based on a closed-source font, and I don't want people taking it, dropping in their own font declarations, and releasing it as "the FREE arclight" and having it look like ass

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sphery:

Dagmar: I'm talking about http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/ethics.html type of stuff

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orificium_:

iamlindoro: Hah, Loom. that game is classic.

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iamlindoro:

I want to be associated with my work, not with someone's knockoff of my work

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iamlindoro:

orificium_, heh, yeah

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orificium_:

iamlindoro: I don't remember inglorious bastards being released to dvd :)

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CyberKnet:

iamlindoro: That does make sense.

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iamlindoro:

orificium_, movie times

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sphery:

Dagmar: and though /I/ don't have the artistic talent to recognize the types of design things they're talking about people stealing, I'm sure someone who knows fonts /and/ artistry does.

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iamlindoro:

orificium_, That's the movie time screen

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orificium_:

oh, doh

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Dagmar:

Years of work with calligraphy here

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Dagmar:

That's what it was called before "fonts" were invented

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Dagmar:

;)

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sphery:

yeah, and didn't you talk about people stealing your stuff?

[21:40:38]

sphery:

or was that someone on the -users list

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Dagmar:

Must have been someone else

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Dagmar:

You can't really steal calligraphy

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Dagmar:

Either you can scribe or you can't.

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sphery:

yeah, when hand-written, I can see your point. I thought you had gotten into fonts, too.

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orificium_:

iamlindoro: Has graphite been updated recently? I think I had to modify the edit metadata xml because something was missing at the time.

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Dagmar:

I've gotten into fonts

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CyberKnet:

iamlindoro: What is the cost of the font?

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Dagmar:

My main problem is similar to what that URL says... There's lots of them that when you look closely, turn out to be complete and utter ass.

[21:43:36]

iamlindoro:

orificium_, you were likely working with an old copy, I've updated it as item names changed

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Dagmar:

This would include "professional" fonts.

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iamlindoro:

CyberKnet, $26 or so, though it can be had for $15ish

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Dagmar:

I'm slowly redoing that LCARS.ttf you find all over the web to make it contain at least 90% less suckification.

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Dagmar:

I don't need kerning, I don't need linked glyphs, I don't need 99.9% of the crap people worry about just to stamp some letters on the screen

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sphery:

Dagmar: yeah, and when people reverse-engineer them and sell or give away low-quality versions of the original, it's bad for everyone

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sphery:

because then people think that they can just use the reverse engineered versions and the designer gets nothing for his effort

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Dagmar:

Personally, I'm of the opnion that if you can do that and make the glyphs not suck anymore, good for you

[21:45:41]

sphery:

but then again, many of these people think they can just download music and videos and not pay for them, also

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Dagmar:

Like, when you're dealing with a sans capital H and the thing involves 65 points? Someone wasn't even trying

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Dagmar:

If the appearance of the glyphs were patentable, we'd be out of letters by now.

[21:46:51]

Dagmar:

There really are only so many ways you can draw certain letters and still have them be legible.

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CyberKnet:

I think fonts need to make the next logical step, and add spinners just like car wheels did.

[21:47:47]

CyberKnet:

That would be great.

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gbee:

Dagmar: any plans to revisit your LCARs theme?

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Dagmar:

yes.

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Dagmar:

I'm actually tidying my box up a little in preparation for building trunk

[21:48:39]

Dagmar:

Like, as we speak

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justinh:

all we need. trekkies ;-)

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sphery:

CyberKnet: haha

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Dagmar:

I'm going to try to hold off on building trunk until after umm... Warehouse 13 is over

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sphery:

yes, a good plan, and logical--as you say.

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Dagmar:

I am not a trekkie

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Dagmar:

Like, fapping to pics of Annika Hansen doesn't make you a trekkie.

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Dagmar:

It just means you spank it.

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CyberKnet:

Not knowing who she is though does qualify me to say that I am not a trekkie.

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Dagmar:

Now, if you fap to pics of Annika Hansen while wearing plastic vulcan ears and listening to "Klingon" lessons, you're not only a trekkie, but a sad, sad individual.

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CyberKnet:

Dagmar: lmao

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kormoc:

Warehouse 13++

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Dagmar:

I like the idea of what LCARS represents.

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Dagmar:

Basically, the whole of human (and then some) knowledge available through a terminal.

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** iamlindoro readies wikipedia-wide **

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Dagmar:

heheh

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CyberKnet:

It's a grand idea, but I'd like to think eventually the terminal shouldn't be needed. I could see how that would make for dull TV though.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: gotta make it orange and purple, too

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Dagmar:

You get to field the complaints from people saying their edits were redacted

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CyberKnet:

a bunch of people standing still, in deep thought communicating with the computer – no audible or visual cue what they are doing.

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Dagmar:

You mean like Borg

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sphery:

guess the moderators get to determine which information is considered "knowledge" and which isn't. :)

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gbee:

I personally think borrowing a style from something like lcars is a very good idea, we're not talking about a branded theme here but a purposefully designed UI which just happens to feature heavily in a sci-fi franchise

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CyberKnet:

Dagmar: If that is the relevant analog ... yes.

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gbee:

but wherever you get your inspiration from, whether it's something you saw on tv, or a website, in the world outside your bedroom or even a book – at least it stands a chance of being _different_ from all the other themes

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: Got any update as to the new system that SD was designing?

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sphery:

gbee: unless, of course, your inspiration comes from default/default-wide

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kormoc:

negative

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CyberKnet:

kormoc: Haven't heard anything from those guys in quite a long time.

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iamlindoro:

gbee, look at mag0o's theme-- that's as different as it gets, but I'm glad to have it on the way

[21:56:51]

iamlindoro:

as I think there are probably a great many myth boxes in children's rooms out there, and that's a *great* theme choice for them

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gbee:

it's not a bad idea to have some unifying motif around which you design your theme, making it up as you go along is not a good idea and neither is just changing the background and a few other images then calling it a theme

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resno|home:

so i issued mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt and i get error: renderbadpicture

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_ben:

bleh, the pain of re-tuning

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justinh:

not til tomorrow

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justinh:

now, who do I see about a permanent ban from freenode again?

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gbee:

dare to be original, because making a theme which appeals to everyone is impossible but trying may land you with something much worse, a mediocre theme

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iamlindoro:

Worst thing I did w/ Graphite was start making compromises

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justinh:

do it only for yourself is the best advice I could give anybody

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iamlindoro:

well, after not having any idea what I was doing at the beginning

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justinh:

if that means not theming mythgallery cos you don't use it..

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justinh:

and if you can, for God's sakes try to get a common feel to any icons you use. It's all very well borrowing from kdelook.org but. Meh

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gbee:

btw, if someone asks for my opinion on a theme from now on, they should expect to get it unvarnished – so don't ask :)

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iamlindoro:

*gulp*

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justinh:

I try to hold back, so as not to stifle people. but that's just counterproductive

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justinh:

bite my tongue for yay long, then just *unleash*

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** CyberKnet gets a little evil **

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CyberKnet:

Hey gbee ... what do you think about Graphite?

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resno|home:

just for the record, issuing "XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" mythfrontend" got it working for me

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CyberKnet:

heh

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gbee:

CyberKnet: :p

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justinh:

I've not said anything unkind about blue-abstract-wide, so I'll leave it at that :)

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iamlindoro:

if (goodOpinion) { SuckIt(); } else { AcceptGraciously(); }

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iamlindoro:

er if !goodOpinoin, that is :

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iamlindoro:

:)

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CyberKnet:

egregious use of braces.

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justinh:

easy to say suck it iamlindoro. bloody hard for a good number of mortals to do

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kormoc:

(goodOpition ? AcceptGraciously() : SuckIt());

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meshe:

if (!good_opinion) { kick_ban(user); } else { accept_graciously(); }

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iamlindoro:

CyberKnet, only way to express it sensibly on a single line

[22:05:27]

justinh:

but, if you're not the type to take crit well, don't bother contributing at all

[22:05:30]

iamlindoro:

justinh, True

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meshe:

i hate camelback notation

[22:05:31]

gbee:

justinh: you are right, it's counter-productive, if they want to be flattered instead of getting real feedback they should make that clear up front

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dustybin:

justinh: have you got some upcoming mythtv .22 themes up your sleeve?

[22:05:34]

justinh:

no. 1 thing I've learned

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, you first

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CyberKnet:

iamlindoro: I posit that the braces were syntatically and visually not needed :)

[22:05:52]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, Don't you go around claiming to have been in design? Prove it

[22:06:02]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: im waiting for the release

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kormoc:

when will you guys learn, life is so much better with dustybin on /ignore...

[22:06:08]

iamlindoro:

of coruse you are

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: i been busy studying other projects, like asterisk

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justinh:

CyberKnet: open a ticket, attach the patch

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justinh:

kormoc: he's here? LOL

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CyberKnet:

justinh: heheh

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** justinh looks in the log. Hahaha **

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** justinh waves **

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: im a indesign + illustrator + photoshop wiz

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meshe:

CyberKnet: the braces help save us from lazy users in the future

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iamlindoro:

ok, Wiz, put up or for the love of god shut up

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dustybin:

:(

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CyberKnet:

meshe: Just realized that I attributed that to iamlindoro. heh.

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CyberKnet:

meshe: --if (!good_opinion) { kick_ban(user); } else { accept_graciously(); }

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CyberKnet:

meshe: ++quitWhileAhead();

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** dustybin looks forward to creating a theme with the linux tux + nvidia logo on the front menu **

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justinh:

wow. I have 2.5 hours of TV to watch tomorrow

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CyberKnet:

I'm sure that will add at least 1.5Ghz to your CPU for having logos there ;)

[22:08:33]

iamlindoro:

dustybin, so much for being a wiz, I can smell the stink off your ideas from here

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CyberKnet:

I think you guys hurt his feelings.

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justinh:

or is that 3.5? chuck, gameswipe, thingy on channel 5, and some 1970s throwback show

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kormoc:

meh

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kormoc:

he asks for it

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justinh:

good. he's been taking potshots in a snide way since the year dot

[22:09:34]

justinh:

on the plus side, our ribbing made him go & get a job

[22:09:37]

ventz:

hey guys, i am having a strange "cosmetic" problem. When i am at the recording screen, the little thumbnails are gone on the left

[22:09:51]

kormoc:

ventz: welcome to -trunk?

[22:09:51]

ventz:

recorded programs that is

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justinh:

if 0.21, your video driver is fubar. next question

[22:10:15]

ventz:

kormoc: i am actually running a pretty old setup

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gbee:

thumbnails?

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ventz:

i first configured it > 2 years ago

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ventz:

i had spent about 2 months writing a custom player framework on top

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ventz:

and i am compoletely out of this mentally now, so i have no idea where to even look

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justinh:

think he means the video preview

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justinh:

personally I'd opt for disabling it :)

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CyberKnet:

gbee: Did I ever tell you that I really liked the design you chose for mythtv.org?

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ventz:

gbee: the "preview jpeg" — small jpeg that shows a freezeshot of what you downloaded

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** kormoc dances **

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kormoc:

http://www.pendulostudios.com/

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iamlindoro:

what you... downloaded?

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kormoc:

The third part! Finally! q4 2009!

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** justinh thinks ventz has mythtv confused for leechfromtorrentboxeemediacenter **

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iamlindoro:

10 yards penalty, illegal use of pirated material + rebuilddatabase

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gbee:

CyberKnet: it was xris' design, I just prettied it up a little

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** kormoc eyes ventz **

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ventz:

??

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ventz:

what are you talking about?

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Dagmar:

Congratulations. We don't support anything to do with "downloaded" medua

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Dagmar:

s/medua/media/;

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justinh:

ventz: you said 'downloaded' when talking about 'watch *recordings* '

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CyberKnet:

gbee: You guys did some nice work.

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Dagmar:

There's no guarantee it'll even be in a format the thing can handle, and therefore a huge waste of time

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xris:

CyberKnet: thx.

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CyberKnet:

xris: Oh, you too :P

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ventz:

justinh: yea, my mythbox is sitting at a friends' house because i have no cable providers

[22:13:29]

ventz:

in the hotels i live in

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gbee:

CyberKnet: well thanks

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CyberKnet:

xris: thought you were idling :)

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xris:

I'm still not 100% happy with it, but the site serves its purpose... no dynamic content so it's not hackable like phpnuke was.

[22:14:02]

xris:

I *was* idling. but xchat still blinks when people say my name. :)

[22:14:07]

ventz:

thus the only way i can watch what i want is by encoding it really really well and streaming it back tomyself

[22:14:12]

CyberKnet:

I didn't realize the content was all static now.

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gbee:

I'm sick of it now, but I always feel that way after I've been staring at something for so long

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Dagmar:

ventz: Therefore it's not our problem

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Dagmar:

It wasn't designed to stream to a remote frontend 1,000 miles away.

[22:14:45]

ventz:

...

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justinh:

rrr. gameswipe didn't record. fscking BENIDORM (or whatever conflicted)

[22:14:53]

ventz:

wow, 3+ years ago this channel was a lot friendlier

[22:15:03]

ventz:

just because i haven't been maintaining mediabuntu...ppl don't have to be assholes

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Dagmar:

Three years ago the users were less whiny.

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** kormoc blinks at ventz **

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justinh:

anyway point is, if you mean the ickle video preview window.. your video driver is borked

[22:15:37]

kormoc:

ventz: what are you even talking about?

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ventz:

i spent over 4 months straight configuring and customizing this 3+ years ago

[22:15:46]

ventz:

i have no idea where half the random shit is

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kormoc:

language...

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ventz:

sorry

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justinh:

if it's a static preview image, your theme is broken

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gbee:

justinh: gameswipe? How did I miss a new Brooker series?

[22:16:11]

ventz:

i've been working for 31 hours...kind of tired

[22:16:12]

_ben:

that was great btw

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justinh:

gbee: yeah BBC4, repeated liberally. very funny apparently

[22:16:29]

gbee:

k

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justinh:

charlie brooker is like me, but funny. and prolly less angsty

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justinh:

:P

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ventz:

kormoc: you log into the mythbox through the webview, click on 'recorded programs' and you get a list of whatever you have recorded

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justinh:

though he does say the (bleeped) word c*** a lot

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ventz:

at that point, for some reason, the small 'preview' boxes do not contain any jpegs

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justinh:

that isn't what you said first. sheesh man

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gbee:

find his play-acting a little annoying at times, but he tends to hit the nail on the head

[22:18:06]

kormoc:

ventz: well, those are generated and streamed to mythweb via the backend, check the backend logs to see if it's erroring out?

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gbee:

ventz: ahh, mythweb

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orificium_:

iamlindoro: Is there something I can add to the xml that would visually show me it was watched like a checkmark next to each listing in MythVideo?

[22:18:33]

ventz:

yea, sorry guys --- i really haven't touched this in a few years. was not kidding

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ventz:

:)

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iamlindoro:

orificium_, yes, you could write a statetype into the theme

[22:18:56]

gbee:

how frequently do people talk about things being broken/missing and 20 minutes later they mention the vital detail that they are talking about mythweb

[22:18:59]

justinh:

mmm flashforward, gameswipe, electric dreams, chuck. I own the TV tomorrow :)

[22:19:15]

Dagmar:

Chuck?

[22:19:23]

Dagmar:

Oh wait, you guys are a season behind or something

[22:19:42]

wagnerrp:

gameswipe? electric dreams?

[22:19:49]

justinh:

yeah and YOU guys don't have decent public service TV uninterrupted by adverts :P

[22:19:53]

wagnerrp:

i suppose these are shows we havent remade yet

[22:19:54]

gbee:

I suffer heartburn whenever I see a new ticket talking about a UI bug, only they usually turn out to be for mythweb

[22:19:59]

Dagmar:

I was puzzled. I thought they made it very clear they were doing something involving a shark and a ramp made of bagels during the ending og season 2.

[22:20:04]

gbee:

electric dreams?

[22:20:34]

orificium_:

iamlindoro: I'm looking @ http://mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Developme . . . etype_widget but I didn't see anything related to "watched"

[22:20:35]

gbee:

makes me think of the Philip K Dick short story

[22:20:37]

justinh:

gbee: aye. family have their tech taken away for a week & they get to sample 1970s state of the art :P

[22:20:53]

justinh:

this week the 1970s. next, the 1980s.. then the 1990s

[22:21:00]

gbee:

ok, so nowhere near as interesting as a PKD book then

[22:21:07]

iamlindoro:

orificium_, a statetype is a generic widget, you'd use the mythvideo named statetype called watched

[22:21:20]

justinh:

then there's a comedy drama about the rivalry between sinclair & acorn. also BBC4

[22:21:20]

iamlindoro:

See the reference for video-ui.cml

[22:21:21]

iamlindoro:

xml

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gbee:

iamlindoro: you added it then?

[22:21:38]

orificium_:

Hm ok, I'll check it out

[22:21:38]

iamlindoro:

gbee, ssshhhh ;)

[22:21:51]

iamlindoro:

gbee, (yes)

[22:21:55]

gbee:

but aren't we in a feature freeze?? ;)

[22:22:01]

iamlindoro:

look, something shiny!

[22:22:03]

** iamlindoro runs **

[22:22:12]

CyberKnet:

ooooooooOOOOooooh! ShiiiiiiiiiIIIiiiny

[22:22:28]

kormoc:

to be fair, I don't like freezing the development branch

[22:22:36]

justinh:

<3 BBC4. channel for ppl wif branes :)

[22:22:37]

kormoc:

merge it over if you want it frozen

[22:22:45]

sphery:

iamlindoro: Hey, turns out I can prove that you're wrong about Stargate. SG-1 and Atlantis both made the Top 10 SciFi TV Shows of All Time: http://hubpages.com/hub/The-Top-10-Science-Fi . . . -of-All-Time

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sphery:

if it's on a blog, it must be true

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iamlindoro:

HA

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kormoc:

I miss Atlantis

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sphery:

I do too

[22:23:12]

justinh:

sphery: even better than that, it's on them intrewebs ;-)

[22:23:16]

sphery:

but I still have one season to watch

[22:23:26]

** orificium_ is looking forward to Universe **

[22:23:30]

sphery:

justinh: true... and everything on the interweb is true

[22:23:39]

sphery:

orificium_: Yeah... It's the one thing keeping me going.

[22:23:42]

justinh:

and Dagmar – gee thanks for making me look forward to the next series of Chuck

[22:23:52]

justinh:

it's been ok so far :-\

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iamlindoro:

sphery, that list is *awful*

[22:24:12]

iamlindoro:

it includes three watchable shows

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justinh:

gbee: also on my list "Upgrade Me"

[22:24:16]

sphery:

What is a universe without the Stargate universe? Not worth living in, I have to say.

[22:24:22]

orificium_:

Chuck could have easily ended.

[22:24:47]

CyberKnet:

sphery: A good start?

[22:24:48]

justinh:

keep thinking back to that mythical recommendation system idea. need some folks with branes to come up with something

[22:24:49]

sphery:

didn't they write this season of chuck explicitly so it /could/ end in case it /did/ end?

[22:24:57]

orificium_:

sphery: seems like it

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justinh:

sphery: wouldn't surprise me

[22:25:01]

sphery:

You people just don't know good TV.

[22:25:01]

orificium_:

sphery: I think I did hear that

[22:25:11]

sphery:

Stargate is what it's all about.

[22:25:24]

kormoc:

++

[22:25:29]

sphery:

Until you step through the event horizon yourself, you'll just never appreciate it.

[22:25:32]

orificium_:

sphery: Stargate uses the same pliot template every episode :)

[22:25:36]

CyberKnet:

Ooooh. spinning rock makes magic portal. Yes. Wonderfull stuff.

[22:25:38]

orificium_:

*plot

[22:25:50]

orificium_:

But I still watch it :)

[22:25:51]

kormoc:

same with every other show out there

[22:25:52]

sphery:

exactly, 10 seasons of predictably good TV

[22:25:56]

CyberKnet:

Another shiny, I suppose.

[22:25:56]

justinh:

orificium_: and that makes it unique How?

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justinh:

the staple of every long-running successful show is repetition

[22:26:21]

sphery:

now the shiny talk is making me miss Firefly (and Kay-Lee)

[22:26:25]

justinh:

viewers love it. AGAIN!

[22:26:25]

orificium_:

Someone always saves the day in the nick of time

[22:26:29]

** kormoc weeps **

[22:26:31]

orificium_:

and it's usually Rodney on Atlantis

[22:26:46]

sphery:

actually, sometimes it's not in the nick of time

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orificium_:

Sorry fro the spoilers :)

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kormoc:

and it was Carter on SG-1

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CyberKnet:

I know it goes against the accepted norm, but ... SciFi--

[22:27:04]

sphery:

but then they either have time-travel related redo or a "To be continued"

[22:27:06]

sphery:

so there

[22:27:14]

** orificium_ misses Farscape :( **

[22:27:21]

justinh:

or just set something in a different dimension. sorted ;-)

[22:27:30]

orificium_:

And Dead Like Me, and Odyssey 5. and all the awesome shows that got cancelled

[22:27:31]

justinh:

no dream cop-outs there

[22:27:40]

sphery:

orificium_: which one, Farscape the series or the 10th season of SG-1?

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CyberKnet:

I still can't believe they cancelled The Unit

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orificium_:

sphery: heh. the series

[22:27:54]

CyberKnet:

now *that* was a bitter disappointment.

[22:28:09]

gbee:

if Universe lives up to the trailer it could be good, I never got into Atlantis and probably wouldn't even watch SG1 if it came round again, grown out of that family friendly stuff – I want a more adult sci-fi that's not afraid of people dying, swearing or even taking a shit (seriously, you never ever see a character in most shows excusing themselves because they need to use the bathroom)

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orificium_:

sphery: It's not really Farscape unless there are puppets anyway.

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orificium_:

gbee: Enter True Blood

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sphery:

well, the SG-1 episode 200 had them, too

[22:28:39]

sphery:

best episode, ever, btw

[22:28:41]

justinh:

never anything like sex or nudity either

[22:28:45]

ventz:

here'

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ventz:

s an ex of someone else's page:

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ventz:

http://www.proenz.de/galerie/MythTV/09_mythweb_tv_recorded.png

[22:28:59]

orificium_:

justinh: First episode of STargate has full frontal

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ventz:

on the left — those are the icons/previews i refer to

[22:29:05]

ventz:

no errors in the logs btw

[22:29:06]

justinh:

oh wait. USA doesn't do that. violence, check. gory death. check. sex scenes.. nada

[22:29:13]

justinh:

orificium_: so I heard.

[22:29:13]

orificium_:

justinh: The writers were pretty upset that they were forced to do it I hear.

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CyberKnet:

as long as it's not the kind of full frontal like in the firstten minutes of FOrgetting Sarah Marshall

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sphery:

ventz, I may have missed your question in all my off-topic chatter, but nothing looks wrong there.

[22:30:05]

orificium_:

What gets me is that gory violence is A-OK, but a little flesh is the end of the world.

[22:30:05]

justinh:

god help you if you show a nipple on teevee. but it's ok to kill whole armies at tea-time

[22:30:05]

CyberKnet:

*shudder*

[22:30:14]

gbee:

justinh: I was going to mention that, then thought some of the less mature individuals here would start snickering – but yeah, US has a pretty strange attitude to nudity in film/TV

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sphery:

just that some of the preview pixmaps may have been taken at a less-than ideal space

[22:30:17]

orificium_:

justinh: hah, beat you to it :)

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gbee:

especially TV

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ventz:

sphery: that picture is just from the web

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ventz:

but you see those little 'preview' screens of each recording

[22:30:40]

ventz:

i don't see those on my webview

[22:30:40]

sphery:

yeah

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justinh:

gbee: same with films. now people have to get their titilation from gore instead. like WTF?

[22:30:50]

sphery:

ventz: trunk or 0.21-fixes?

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kormoc:

sphery: it could be 0.19 actually

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CyberKnet:

justinh: Its the human condition, and always has been.

[22:31:29]

justinh:

ordinary life includes sex & nudity from time to time.. certainly more often than we see murders before our very eyes :)

[22:31:42]

ventz:

sphery: how can i check?

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sphery:

kormoc: wow, though I'd think that since that's just a random page fron the 'net he's probably using newer

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sphery:

ventz: mythbackend --version

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orificium_:

Anyone use this before? http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us I remember seeing screenshots of the porn channel for my zip code.

[22:32:06]

gbee:

most of us have probably seem more nudity in real life than has ever featured in US tv

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orificium_:

hilarious

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justinh:

CyberKnet: I'm just appaled by the whole gore fetish stuff. maybe cos I have an imagination or something

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sphery:

ventz: and mention the SVN branch and revision

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ventz:

branches/release-0-21-fixes

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CyberKnet:

justinh: And there's nothing wrong with that, to be sure. We're no better than the romans with their lions

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ventz:

branches/release-0-21-fixes

[22:32:46]

ventz:

opps

[22:32:59]

sphery:

ventz: then I'd guess it's a time zone thing

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ventz:

18207

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justinh:

imagine the *real* 90210... teenagers getting high on crack & having orgies. Oh wait..

[22:33:10]

CyberKnet:

justinh: Now we just have fake lions and fake martyrs, but the fetish is just as bad.

[22:33:28]

ventz:

sphery: what do you mean? it's set incorrectly on the box?

[22:33:33]

gbee:

justinh: yeah the gore stuff does nothing for me, in fact I'm just not interested in those films at all

[22:33:39]

sphery:

ventz: make sure your time zone is the same on both the mythbackend host and the mythweb host and if it's the same host, edit /etc/php.ini to specify the time zone

[22:33:41]

justinh:

well, I can sit on my ivory tower & claim to be better than them. But I still want to see norks

[22:34:30]

ventz:

sphery: ok, thanks. i'll give it a shot

[22:34:33]

gbee:

sphery: in 0.21 it doesn't account for DST/BST etc, anything recorded during the summer won't have a preview image when the clocks roll over in the winter

[22:34:34]

sphery:

ventz: you'll also likely have to delete all the images in /path/to/mythweb/data/cache

[22:34:36]

justinh:

my wife recorded some Eminem tribute from a music channel the other night. it was on after 9pm but every single video was sanitised (ruined).

[22:35:00]

justinh:

I'm not a fan but think he's funny sometimes. they did ruin it all tho

[22:35:10]

CyberKnet:

Anyone know if Ryan and Jarod are still working on Mythdora?

[22:35:26]

sphery:

gbee: it works if both systems use the same time zone

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gbee:

sphery: I don't actually know that the bug is fixed, at one point kormoc/xris were close to giving up and it was a low priority for them since they didn't have any recordings that old

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gbee:

sphery: not in 0.21, possibly in -fixes

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sphery:

I have a 0.21-fixes system and can see recordings up to 4 yrs old whether in or out of DST

[22:36:25]

sphery:

(both whether the recording or current time is in DST--in all combinations)

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gbee:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/18207 is old for a -fixes version

[22:36:49]

sphery:

I think it's just the PHP auto-detect that caused issues on your system, though

[22:36:59]

ventz:

sphery: thank you

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gbee:

sphery: possibly, I can't really remember the details so well now

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sphery:

it didn't work, but now that trunk MythWeb asks for the time zone ID and sets it, it should even handle PHP auto-detection failures

[22:37:51]

sphery:

gbee: though the one that that's not handled well is recordings in the switchover hour itself

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sphery:

i.e. between at 2:00am (in the US) on the day of the switchover or within an hour of then

[22:38:56]

sphery:

but we can't fix that until we use UTC for all dates in the protocol

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sphery:

and in the backend/frontend's processing code

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sphery:

everything but the UI, itself, that is

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sphery:

which also includes the DB

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CyberKnet:

adios amigos

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gbee:

heh, there is a US series being shown on ITV, already in it's second season before I even noticed it

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jduggan:

which series?

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gbee:

In Plain Sight – haven't watched it yet so no idea what it's like

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ventz:

sphery: now what if the backend and the frontend + web are sitting on the same machine. the date should not be a problem then

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orificium_:

iamlindoro: since feature freezes mean nothing to you, how about adding a Browse By Title :)

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jduggan:

gbee, you mean you recorded since season 1 ep 1 and didnt realise? :)

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orificium_:

Sorta confused that wasn't the first thing

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iamlindoro:

orificium_, Huh?

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sphery:

ventz: it can be because PHP has to attempt to auto-detect the time zone

[22:42:32]

sphery:

ventz: and it often gets it wrong

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gbee:

jduggan: heh, no I just mean that they are currently showing episodes from the second season but I missed seeing a first season in the listings

[22:42:43]

jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

:D

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sphery:

ventz: so you have to set it explicitly in php.ini

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iamlindoro:

orificium_, Browse by Folder (the default) *is* browse by title

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iamlindoro:

orificium_, Metadata browse modes are modes for how the tree is built, not for the sort order

[22:43:15]

orificium_:

iamlindoro: Is there a way to group by the metadata titles?

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jduggan:

gbee, if i didnt record hollyoaks, these days i could go a few days without my scheduler recording anything i want to see, programming seems to be getting worse and worse

[22:43:48]

orificium_:

So for instance, all the episodes of one title are in a subtree?

[22:43:52]

gbee:

I need a website which just lists the start dates of premieres / seasons of programmes categorised in some meaningful way

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iamlindoro:

orificium_, TV/Movies

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jduggan:

gbee, that would be useful

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orificium_:

Oh hm, that must of been added recently.

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iamlindoro:

4–6 weeks ago

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iamlindoro:

4 weeks, apparently, r21602

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gbee:

jduggan: definately, it's why I'm often looking towards US shows to fill the gaps, I'll set a lower bar on standard just to have something to watch on a rainy evening – US stuff is frequently safe because even when it's mediocre it can still be entertaining

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iamlindoro:

TV/Movie browse mode builds two trees-- Movies and Television. Television is dynamically builts as Showname->Season #->Episodes

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gbee:

UK stuff, what little there is of it, usually falls into two categories, great or shite

[22:47:05]

jduggan:

yea

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orificium_:

gbee: Would I get banned if I gave you a link that does that but is also a torrent site? :)

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jduggan:

bbc programming seems to be getting worse and worse where action/drama is concerned, the only show worth watching at the moment for me is waking the dead

[22:47:47]

gbee:

there are one or two shows which tread the middle ground, but it's not enough to pad out a weeks TV

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orificium_:

gbee: http://eztv.it/countdown/

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gbee:

I've dipped in and out of waking the dead, doesn't really work for me but that's not to say it's bad

[22:49:01]

gbee:

orificium_: thanks

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orificium_:

gbee: should have seen it before it was September. It was exciting.

[22:49:59]

orificium_:

Oh nice, Kenny versus Spenny new season!

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gbee:

there is an ITV series that I've been watching only because it's in HD, but it's laughable – The Fixer

[22:50:09]

jduggan:

ah

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jduggan:

The Fixer

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jduggan:

it is poor but its one of those shows that you watch

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Greek-Boy:

on MythVideo. Is it possible to store content on multiple backends?

[22:50:40]

jduggan:

its a show that could have been great

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orificium_:

Bored to Death pilot was pretty good.

[22:50:59]

jduggan:

i wish i could get itv HD in .21 :P

[22:51:10]

gbee:

jduggan: like Ultimate Force ... cringe worthy acting, plots and special effects, but I still watched it through to the end

[22:51:15]

jduggan:

yep

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jduggan:

similar type of show really

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gbee:

aye

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orificium_:

iamlindoro: http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8293

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gbee:

that's why I mentioned it, that's the show it always reminds me of

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jduggan:

hehe

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jduggan:

and both have former eastenders stars as core characters

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iamlindoro:

orificium_, Read that, don't believe it has any chance

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jduggan:

i use the word stars loosely

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gbee:

I've got to say though, The Unit showed how Ultimate Force should have been done – I reckon UF had a higher budget!! IMHO The Unit was incredibly low budget, but they made that work through clever story lines and camera work

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jduggan:

oh, im ashamed to say i was one to acquire `old` episodes of TU after seeing it on UK TV

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jduggan:

that was excellent

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gbee:

there is plenty I could criticise in The Unit, but I still admire how they managed to make a special forces action drama on a budget that didn't fall into all the traps that UF did

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jduggan:

unfortunately i dont have virgin1 anymore :S

[22:56:55]

jduggan:

another 18months before they up the power on our freeview broadcasts

[22:56:55]

gbee:

jduggan: it's being repeated from the beginning on Five or something like that

[22:57:02]

jduggan:

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[22:57:18]

jduggan:

thanks for the heads up

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gbee:

but it's not showing on Virgin anyway since it was cancelled in the US

[22:58:02]

jduggan:

ah i didnt realise they cancelled

[22:58:19]

jduggan:

oh man

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jduggan:

its five usa by the looks

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jduggan:

they need to get that on freesat

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gbee:

ah :/

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gbee:

yeah, I just remember seeing an ad and Five was mentioned ...

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jduggan:

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jduggan:

maybe a bigger mast so better line of sight and some better cable might help

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** EvilGuru thinks tomorrow will be a blast for freeview :P **

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resno|home:

where is the copy of the db password located?

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Shadow__X:

where is the copy of what you made it

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resno|home:

Shadow__X: during the config, it said it was going to place in /etc/ somewhere

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Shadow__X:

you can try /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt but that is specific to mythbuntu which support for mythbuntu is specific to #ubuntu-mythtv room

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resno|home:

Shadow__X: wow, i didnt know that.

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Shadow__X:

and now you know

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dserban:

fun! Well it took me a couple hours to read through your guys chat. Wish I could contribute something useful to mythtv. Is there a feature wishlist for specific plugins?

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Shadow__X:

dserban: well if you take a look at the wiki i believe there are afew wishlists there

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dserban:

Yeah, I saw 'em. Just nothing specific to say one plugin.

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Shadow__X:

also from the main site you can get the source code to it and follows its progress

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dserban:

s/to/for

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Shadow__X:

yeah sorry abotu that

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Shadow__X:

about*

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dserban:

Holy crap, there are tons of bugs in trac

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Shadow__X:

dserban: devs are working on finishing up trunk to put .22 out

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dserban:

I barely understand how the software works... I wonder how the devs keep sane

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dserban:

yeah, I'm a long time lurker :P

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jduggan:

what makes you think any of the devs are sane

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Shadow__X:

well their sanity is debatable but it seems like they are a great bunch

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dserban:

heh yep, well sanity isn't required to code...

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dserban:

I just queued up like 10 journey songs...

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iamlindoro:

Nobody's perfect

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dserban:

hahaha!

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dserban:

mythmusic is a core plugin right?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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dserban:

and looking at trac ... head == trunk?

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iamlindoro:

we don't use the term head, but the terms are analogous, yes

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dserban:

I was perusing the buglist and saw diffs between .22 and head... oh are trunk and .22 devel different? err. is .22 a branch?

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iamlindoro:

no, .22 is not yet a branch

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iamlindoro:

people often muck with the dropdowns and have no idea what they're doing when opening tickets

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iamlindoro:

trunk is what will be branched to create .22

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iamlindoro:

tickets can be opened against head that have a milestone of .22, but .22 itself does not exist yet

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dserban:

right, that's how I do it in my projects... just got lost there for a sec.

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dserban:

so .22 when branched will continue to be bugfixed?

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iamlindoro:

yes, as a branch called .22-fixes

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dserban:

and that'd be known as -fixes? or still .22 or a version number like .22.1 etc... ahh ok

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resno|home:

i gotta say myth is awesome! i just got the streaming working!

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dserban:

so the bugreports for .20 .21 .21-fixes err get moved to head? or does the bug tracker need a little triage?

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dserban:

resno|home: heh I remember feeling that... what a f*****g cool program... :D

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