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Thursday, September 24th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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** kormoc eyes gizmobay **

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kormoc:

Why in god's name does compiling a soap module for perl require special compiling apache.....

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** kormoc nashes his teeth **

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mag0o:

you dropped your g

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mag0o:

:)

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meshe:

what?

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meshe:

which module?

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kormoc:

soap::Lite

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kormoc:

which was brought in as a dependency for lwp after about a 100 "Required Dependancies, do you want to add?"

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meshe:

can you pastebin what you're seeing?

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kormoc:

sure, give me a minute

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meshe:

i'm still suprised everytime I have to install LWP that it's not core

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Batshua:

I just started turning on my guest account for filesharing, but that's me.

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** kormoc raises an eyebrow **

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Batshua:

I close it down every time I'm done.

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laga:

what's an guest account?

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laga:

forgive my spelling, i'm a dirty foreigner and it's late

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gizmobay:

no, no not pirated. I'm having an issue. I took sample using my flip.

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gizmobay:

of the screen that is

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kormoc:

could upload to youtube/etc

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Batshua:

A guest account is an account with limited access permissions. It has no password, so when it's on, anyone can get in.

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Batshua:

But because anyone can get it, you pretty much can only read files and not just any files.

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gizmobay:

okay, I'll do youtube

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kormoc:

meshe: it's still going, but I get crap like Warning: prerequisite Compress::Raw::Bzip2 2.021 not found. We have 2.021.

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Batshua:

Where does one set recording profiles for the transcoder?

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kormoc:

meshe: here's the required apache http://pastebin.ca/1577265

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/1.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/2.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/3.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/4.png

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iamlindoro:

There's the artwork now chosen by default in mythvideo for Battlestar Galactica

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iamlindoro:

(as of tonight)

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** iamlindoro likes season four **

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kormoc:

"My God, it's full of breasts!"

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, nice sexy season specific graphics, selected from the highest rated at TVDB :)

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iamlindoro:

You can thank RDV_Linux for the script parts and me for the code parts ;)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Code monkey at your service. Pass the banana please I want to get paid.

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iamlindoro:

That's script monkey ;)

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was script kiddie

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kormoc:

Code Monkey like Fritos, Code Monkey like Tab and Mountain Dew

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wagnerrp:

speaking of code/script, seems that MythDB.py bug never got a ticket...

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iamlindoro:

think he saw you say you would add it to your ticket

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iamlindoro:

actually, think he may have done so

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wagnerrp:

yeah, doing that currently

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wagnerrp:

i dont see one, unless i missed an email on the list

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iamlindoro:

probably not then

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wagnerrp:

oh, he did add it, tacked onto 6885

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gizmobay:

Can someone tell me why the internal player will sometimes play my recordings really bad? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS81djM3eRQ

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wagnerrp:

why do violins always make things seem more epic?

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Morder:

because they're full of awesome

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wagnerrp:

someone is just going to have to music to the main menu

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wagnerrp:

we need to take advantage of this epic violin gap

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Batshua:

Bueller?

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squish102:

if i get sound when playing " mplayer -ao alsa:device=hw=2.3 -afm hwac3 song.wav" should i be able to put 'alsa:device=hw=2.3' on audio output device and hear sound over hdmi?

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defaultro:

is .22 going to be out this year?

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iamlindoro:

.22 will be out within a week or two, so... yes

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spiderworm:

anyone here have comcast cable and a CATV box that they gave you?

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defaultro:

wow, that is so cool! Thanks for the info iamlindoro!!!

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iamlindoro:

np

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johnsu01:

so, I turned the debug level up, and I guess there are a few interesting messages

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johnsu01:

2009-09–23 21:52:23.205 TVRec(1): CancelNextRecording(1) — begin

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johnsu01:

2009-09–23 21:52:23.205 TVRec(1): CancelNextRecording(1) — error, unknown recording

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johnsu01:

for example

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johnsu01:

there's also a lot of 2009-09–23 21:52:53.265 MythSocket(1c89df0:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected.

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johnsu01:

I'm still not seeing any recordings in Scheduled Recordings, and it won't let me set any new recordings, but I can access all old ones

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johnsu01:

and I can watch live tv

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johnsu01:

the socket thing seems to be the problem

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johnsu01:

when I try to mark a program to be recorded in the Guide, I get 2009-09–23 21:56:20.961 MythSocket(1c94490:16): attempting connect() to (0.0.0.0:65535)

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spiderworm:

in mythtv only channels 2–13 are working... everything higher than 13 is static, and i pay for waaay more channels than that... does anyone know what could be causing this? i have a hauppauge pvr-500

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iamlindoro:

a) you scanned, which is wrong with an analog card anyway, and b) you scanned with the wrong frequency table

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johnsu01:

hm, so it looks like maybe I'm seeing http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/394124

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spiderworm:

imlindoro, i didnt scan at all... i should scan with us-cable frequency table? or is there a diff one i should use?

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spiderworm:

no, wait... you're saying that i shouldnt scan at all?

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spiderworm:

is a CATV converter just a digital to analog converter box?

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resno1:

hello guys. sound is working on my machine, but not during tv watching.

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resno1:

i have been able to "record" and play it back with sound.

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oobe:

the settings the effect tv sound playback are in mythtv /setup / general settings / page 2 or 3

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resno1:

yes, i am looking there and havent found whats not right

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resno1:

oobe: are there any sources on getting this setup?

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oobe:

yea most people have success with selecting alsa default

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oobe:

aplay -l will tell you the details on your soundcard

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oobe:

you can google the output for other people who configured it with myth

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oobe:

i.e ALC888 mythtv

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resno1:

this is what i get: card 0: ICE1724 [ICEnsemble ICE1724], device 0: ICE1724 [ICE1724]

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resno1:

Subdevices: 1/1

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resno1:

Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

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resno1:

card 0: ICE1724 [ICEnsemble ICE1724], device 1: IEC1724 IEC958 [IEC1724 IEC958]

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resno1:

Subdevices: 1/1

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resno1:

Subdevice #0: subdevice #0

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resno1:

sorry. for the flood

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mzb:

pastebin

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resno1:

oobe: this what i got http://pastebin.com/m1975a08

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resno1:

not sure what i should googling....

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mzb:

is your mythtv user (assuming it's different) a member of the audio group (or whichever group owns the audio device)

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mzb:

$ aplay -l (as your mythtv user ... ie: the one running mythfrontend)

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resno1:

mzb: yes, i instead myth on the one and only account

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mzb:

run alsamixer while you're trying playback and check it's not muted

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resno1:

install = instead

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resno1:

mzb: i can hear sound on everything else, just not from myth

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mzb:

yes, got that

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mzb:

check to see if the FE is muting the sound

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mzb:

if this is a desktop machine, you probably *don

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mzb:

't

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mzb:

*sigh*

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mzb:

*don't* want the FE to control the mixer

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mzb:

(however, if you can see that the card is being muted/unmuted by the FE then at least you know the FE has sufficient permission)

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resno1:

mzb: where am i looking for FE?

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mzb:

FE = frontend

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resno1:

i guess im done working with this today...

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resno1:

the biggest problem i have with linux is when things just dont work, and it takes a genius to get them working

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Dagmar:

No, it doesn't.

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Dagmar:

It just takes someone literate.

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resno1:

Dagmar: well please enlighten me then.

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jblack:

He means taking advantage of your reading skills.

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Batshua:

More than literate, I'd say.

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Batshua:

Sometimes I research for HOURS and still don't know where I should be going with a fix.

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Batshua:

It really depends on what's broken, and how badly and obscurely it's broken.

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resno1:

its impossible to know which fix is the fix... and i am not sure if i am just configuring wrong... or if i should give up and go back to windows

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Batshua:

I didn't read the backstory so I don't know how much help I can offer.

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wagnerrp:

theres someone on the -users list wanting to know what OS they should use to run mythtv

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Batshua:

I will state it took a bit of futzing but there's a preamp sorta sound setting in myth that I discovered and that fixed MY sound problem.

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Batshua:

The sound was at 70% and I boosted it to 100% and now everything works almost perfectly.

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Batshua:

I prefer Mythbuntu.

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Batshua:

But I suppose it very much depends on what your box is to be used for (mine is almost exclusively a PVR)

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resno1:

Batshua: will installing mythbunutu fix it?

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Batshua:

No no

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wagnerrp:

Batshua: im going to take that to mean they dont know mythtv runs on linux

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Batshua:

check your backend and frontend settings

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Batshua:

Oh, ask 'em.

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Batshua:

And in one of the settings, there's a volume thing.

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Batshua:

Futz with that.

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Batshua:

I wish I could be more specific

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wagnerrp:

no, im going to mock them

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Batshua:

but I can't remember where the heck I found it.

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Batshua:

Okay, have a nice mock.

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wagnerrp:

for managing to make it to the mailing list, without having read a shred of documentation on mythtv

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johnsu01:

well, changing the BackendServerIP from 127.0.0.1 to 192.168.1.105 solved my problem

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johnsu01:

recordings are all now visible again

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resno1:

Batshua: i know where the sound option is, i have been p"laying" with it for a few hours

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Batshua:

Oh poo

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Batshua:

Sorry, that's the best off-the-cuff advice I have. Sorry. :(

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v iamlindoro

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resno1:

well, i appreciate it. but its just not working, as usual

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Batshua:

I remember how irritating it was setting up my mythbox because I didn't know wtf I was doing and I was afraid that my carefully researched components weren't going to play nice.

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Batshua:

It did ultimately work out for the best.

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Batshua:

Given that those sound settings aren't working... could there be some sort of partial muting going on?

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Batshua:

like one of the 'speakers'

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resno1:

well, i can go into sound prefrences and it works fine

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wagnerrp:

Batshua: but the correct solution is NEVER to get on the mailing list and say 'build my mythtv system for me'

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resno1:

i can ever hear what i should be recording

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Batshua:

Yeah well

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Batshua:

I do remember asking a lot of questions.

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Batshua:

I picked out my parts mostly by myself

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wagnerrp:

questions are perfectly fine

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Batshua:

hours on newegg

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Batshua:

and thank goodness so far it plays nice

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Dagmar:

So you have a framegrabber card and have yet to properly set which input on your sound card Myth should record the audio from, and have failed to mute it for immediate output

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Batshua:

just this stupid transcode thing

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Dagmar:

THis is in the documentation.

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wagnerrp:

questions are what the mailing list and irc channel are for

[03:19:04]

wagnerrp:

specific and directed questions

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wagnerrp:

not the general 'how i haz mythtv 111oneone1one!!'

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Dagmar:

It's a minor problem--ten minutes of wading through docs and two minutes to fix

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resno1:

Dagmar: its crazy because i remember seeing that somewhere...

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Dagmar:

I know that pain

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Dagmar:

There's a lot of stuff to take in

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Dagmar:

Unfortunately, it's somewhat required you become familiar with it until Myth probably hits 0.8x

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paperclip:

is there a fix for choppy ac3 audio

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Dagmar:

The thing itself works out of the box, but the configuration of the hardware is still mostly manual effort

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resno1:

is required to run mythfilldatabase everytime i edit the backend?

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Dagmar:

Enable agressive audio buffering?

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paperclip:

i could try that..

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paperclip:

are there other players to use.. i'm using mplayer..

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paperclip:

er.. wait .. that's mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

Well that was a good time

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iamlindoro:

Always fun to have the important server go blinkenlights crazy

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paperclip:

nope

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Batshua:

Wait, what's in teh documentation?

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Batshua:

I missed whether you were talking to me or not, Dagmar

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wagnerrp:

dagmar was talking about fixing the audio on a framegrabber

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Dagmar:

When someone says "I can hear the audio it _should_ be recording it's a dead giveaway."

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mzb:

resno1, the trick with linux docs/hints/etc is to avoid anything old, written by <adult ... etc. ie: start with official docs and work *down* ... not the other way!

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Batshua:

oh oh

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Dagmar:

Closing quote totally in the wrong place

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Batshua:

alright, folks, here goes

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Batshua:

I'm going to try to figure out this transcode thing. let's see if i can do that with just brains and patience.

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Dagmar:

Extra helping of patience

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Batshua:

what does 'autodetect' actually mean re transcoding?

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Batshua:

That it will go with what it thinks makes the most sense?

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wagnerrp:

it means it will do lossless if it is an mpeg2 file, and if not... i dont really know

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wagnerrp:

ive never had non-mpegs in mythtv

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Batshua:

would it make more sense to choose a different setting as default?

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Batshua:

all my recordings are coming out as plain mpg

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Batshua:

i would like them to be mp4

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Batshua:

but that may be too much to ask

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wagnerrp:

the mythtv transcoder can only lossily compress to mjpeg and mpeg4asp inside a nuv container

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wagnerrp:

(or lossless mpeg2 to mpeg2)

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Batshua:

okay so does that mean my transcoding is being done by my tuner card?

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Dagmar:

Uh no

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wagnerrp:

transcoding, no... encoding, that depends on the type of card

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Batshua:

Clearly, I have become lost again.

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wagnerrp:

a digital tuner just copies the broadcast stream directly to disk

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Batshua:

Lemme see if I can pull up whatever it was I was reading

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wagnerrp:

an IVTV card (mpeg encoder) takes the raw video and audio stream, and compresses it

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wagnerrp:

transcoding implies going from one compressed format to another

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Dagmar:

s/compresses/encodes/l

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Batshua:

Is three lines too much to paste in here?

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wagnerrp:

two is the limit

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Shadow__X:

why do i feel like this conversation always comes up

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Batshua:

hm. okay, i'm gonna try something and see what happens before i ask 47 more questions

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: would you rather it not come up, and someone dumps dmesg into the channel?

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wagnerrp:

(it has happened before)

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resno1:

finally got sound working! :)

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: no i meant the whole transcoding debate

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Batshua:

hooray resno!

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Batshua:

wth was the problem?

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Batshua:

how did you fix it?

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wagnerrp:

two problems, his line-in was not muted, and mythtv was not set to capture off the correct input device

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Batshua:

okay i think i know what went wrong and i think i know how to fix it so here goes nothing

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wagnerrp:

audio input device

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resno1:

wagnerrp: yea basically...

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resno1:

wagnerrp: is that common regardless of tuner card?

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wagnerrp:

like dagmar said, that behavior almost certainly means that problem

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resno1:

althought the sound is way off tone... sounds like everyone talking in slow-mo

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wagnerrp:

that is a common problem of 'framegrabbers'

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Dagmar:

It's the one type of card where sound takes a different route from video.

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resno1:

wagnerrp: me and my garbage tuner card LOL

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wagnerrp:

usually people use mpeg encoders, or digital tuners with mythtv anymore

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wagnerrp:

people talking in slo-mo may mean your are recording at one frequency and playing back at another

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Batshua:

i remember seeing something int he sound settings

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Batshua:

about that

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resno1:

wagnerrp: is that documented somehwere?

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resno1:

i imagine

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wagnerrp:

resno1: is what?

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resno1:

wagnerrp: my next sound issue

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Batshua:

okay so question

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Batshua:

if I have mythtranscode set up right

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Batshua:

and i had cutpoints

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Batshua:

and it works

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Batshua:

my files should shrink, yes?

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wagnerrp:

presuming youre not encoding to mjpeg

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Batshua:

(that would be faster than downloading the logs again to check them)

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Batshua:

... i take it mjpeg is not mpg.

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wagnerrp:

mjpeg is a stream of independently compressed jpegs

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Dagmar:

Hence no inter-frame space savings

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Batshua:

Ah.

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Batshua:

HOORAY

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Batshua:

the house 2 hour premiere was 2.8 mumble gb

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Batshua:

it is now 2 gb

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Batshua:

that ... sounds very much like I fixed the problem.

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Batshua:

You people are wonderful beautiful people.

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Batshua:

Thank you very much.

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wagnerrp:

thats so tiny

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Batshua:

I will now go poofs until the next time I need help.

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Batshua:

What's tiny?

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wagnerrp:

mines sitting at 9.2GB

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Dagmar:

We don't want to hear about your secshual proclivitees

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Batshua:

Well, it's probably all those ExtenZe commercials you didn't cut out.

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wagnerrp:

anyway, if you finished a transcode already, i presume you just losslessly clipped out the commercials (autodetect)

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Batshua:

That is my hope.

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Dagmar:

...and that you checked your commflag markers beforehand if you lie plot

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resno1:

how should i go about fixing the pitch of the sound?

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Dagmar:

s/lie/like/;

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Dagmar:

Fixing hte pitch?

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Batshua:

Oh, so I have peoples. Uhm, I put cutthingies in manually

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wagnerrp:

resno1: those options are in the recording profiles

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Batshua:

wow, two thoughts on one line. me fail.

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Dagmar:

Set the sample rates (all of them) to what your sound card suports

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jblack:

maybe he turned on sync audio to video

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Dagmar:

The most common thing that screws that up is when the sound card only supports 44k and you're sending it 48.1k or vice-versa

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resno1:

wow, you guys know your stuff!

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wagnerrp:

no, just been around a while

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wagnerrp:

im still finding new stuff in mythtv

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Batshua:

me too but then again, i'm pretty new

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resno1:

im so excited to see it working!!

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Batshua:

Isn't it a great feeling?

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Batshua:

I get such a sense of accomplishment out of running a homebrew PVR... when it works. :D

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resno1:

so what is the best tuner to use? i saw a card i really like but dont think its supported yet. it has an internal splitter and you input one cable to it.

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Batshua:

Ooh, never say "best".

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Batshua:

That makes people laugh at you.

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resno1:

its the best word i could think of...

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Batshua:

I always say "what's a good", this gives people the opportunity to suggest multiple models

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Batshua:

or "what's one you like"

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Batshua:

or "what works well for you"

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resno1:

but i want a dual tuner, with single input. that works with linux and mythtv.

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resno1:

what works well ;)

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Batshua:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1250

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Batshua:

This is what I use.

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Batshua:

It works beautifully for me. I do not know if it will suit your needs.

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Batshua:

I DO know that it also records in windows

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Batshua:

Because when I was first setting up myth, dad wanted to record the superbowl

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Batshua:

and myth wasn't ready

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Batshua:

the one thing about this one is that the motherboard I inherited wouldn't accommodate it because the people who made it didn't think before they made it.

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Batshua:

So I had to get a different motherboard.

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Batshua:

but yeah, it plays nicely for me.

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resno1:

ok. thanks alot. i am heading to bed. take care and see yall tommorrow

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wagnerrp:

Batshua: thats the card you recorded House on?

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Batshua:

Yupyup.

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wagnerrp:

and 2 hours was only 2.9GB?

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wagnerrp:

both ATSC and QAM, you should be pulling an HD signal for that

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wagnerrp:

resno1: that 1250 is not a dual tuner, merely a hybrid one

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wagnerrp:

meaning you can only record digital, or analog, but not both at the same time

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wagnerrp:

furthermore, the analog side is a framegrabber, and last i checked, does not work on linux anyway

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wagnerrp:

if you want to buy a new card for analog, you should really pick up an IVTV card (old hauppauge PVR line)

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wagnerrp:

but for digital, that 1250 works great (i have one)

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Batshua:

Yup.

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wagnerrp:

and the PcHDTV cards are about the only card you will ever find that does not work under windows

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Batshua:

It was almost 3 gigs.

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wagnerrp:

Batshua: how did you scan your lineup?

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Batshua:

Er?

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Batshua:

More words? I'm not sure what you're asking.

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wagnerrp:

your channels, where did you get them from?

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Batshua:

questionsauce. For those of you who prefer to manually flag commercials so they can be transcoded out, do you do that while the show is recording or afterwards?

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Batshua:

You mean the information on the channels?

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Batshua:

Or how my mythbox records it?

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Batshua:

I'm connected to my cable box via FW, if that's what you're asking.

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wagnerrp:

Batshua: you should do that afterwards, also, you can press 'z' in edit mode to load myths 'suggested' cuts from the commflagger

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wagnerrp:

so you didnt record through your 1250

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Batshua:

Z, eh?

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Batshua:

shiny.

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wagnerrp:

i only ask because you should have an HD version of that channel available

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Batshua:

Yeah, but uhm, I don't have a way to decrypt it.

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Batshua:

Yet.

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wagnerrp:

the 1250 will do just fine

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wagnerrp:

even if the HD channel is encrypted over firewire, it will not be over QAM

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wagnerrp:

and there is no encryption with ATSC (antenna)

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Batshua:

Well, er, if you have suggestions on how to manage that, it would be welcomed.

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Batshua:

Because we settled on firewire after we couldn't figure out any other way to make it play nice.

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wagnerrp:

what is your 1250 currently plugged into?

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Batshua:

uhm.

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Batshua:

lemme check the back of the box

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Batshua:

we tried a bunch of things.

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wagnerrp:

it should be plugged directly into the cable line, or directly into an antenna

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wagnerrp:

you cannot run the 1250 through a cablebox

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Batshua:

coax

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Batshua:

it's not direct

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Batshua:

there's ... coax going in and out of the cable box

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats wrong

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wagnerrp:

your cablebox has an analog modulator

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wagnerrp:

you will not have a digital signal coming out of the 'out' on your cablebox

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wagnerrp:

get a splitter from radioshack or somewhere, and plug both the cablebox and the tuner card directly into the cable line

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Batshua:

I think when we tried that it didn't work.

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Batshua:

but uhm, I'll see if we have a splitter handy

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Shadow__X:

hey so i am getting the Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 24 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/includes/objects/Program.php on line 291 in mythweb

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Batshua:

oh oh

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Batshua:

it might be that we couldn't get zap to work

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: you have PHP limited to 64MB of usage

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wagnerrp:

and youre running over that limit

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Shadow__X:

i already went to /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini i uped it to 80MB

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Shadow__X:

and restarted apache2 and it still does it

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clever:

Shadow__X: check mythweb.apache.conf

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i know but i am confused what i am doing wrong

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clever:

there is a 2nd mem limit in there

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wagnerrp:

kormoc may have set a limit inside mythweb

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Shadow__X:

clever: where in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled?

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wagnerrp:

with the intent of increasing it beyond the default 20MB or so

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clever:

Shadow__X: somewhere under /etc/apache2/

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clever:

mine is under conf.d

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Shadow__X:

works now

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Batshua:

well, wagnerrp, if you feel like playing with zap with me, I can look for a splitter which I believe we have SOMEWHERE.

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Batshua:

if not, I'll pick one up

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Batshua:

but ... yeah, it sorta made me tear my hair out.

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wagnerrp:

never used zap

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Batshua:

the reason it's set up the way it is is that we were having trouble interacting with the cable box to change channels.

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Batshua:

My video quality isn't actually bad so yeah.

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Batshua:

But htat might have to do with the fact that we have one of the worst possible tvs for it

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Batshua:

Anyways, I'm off for a bit. Thanks for your help.

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[R]:

i want a good way to restart video from nupplevideoplayer.cpp

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[R]:

kinda like how when vdpau gets a preemption it restarts

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iamlindoro:

Hmm, I don't know if I'll like Eastwick as a show, but those women are wicked hot, excuse the pun

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wagnerrp:

so its basically Charmed?

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iamlindoro:

Not really, not AFAICT

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iamlindoro:

seems better written, and less stupidly cliche than Charmed

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iamlindoro:

and dissimilar plotlines

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[R]:

this vdpau is gonna drive me insane

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wagnerrp:

stab it

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[R]:

http://www.frys-electronics-ads.com/ads/2009/ . . . -Motherboard

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[R]:

can that cpu handle 1080p?

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[R]:

x264

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wagnerrp:

cant say

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wagnerrp:

actually, im going to say no

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[R]:

really?

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[R]:

its like 3.1ghz

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wagnerrp:

well first, x264 is an encoder, not a decoder

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[R]:

i meant h264

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wagnerrp:

second, the only place youre going to get 1080p h264 is going to be DVB broadcasts (at ~15–20mbps), HDDVD (at ~20–25mbps), or BluRay (at ~25–35mbps)

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[R]:

i was being optimistic

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wagnerrp:

from what i understand, the BBC HD h264 stuff is single sliced, putting it probably out of range of that chip

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[R]:

what about 1080i

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wagnerrp:

and the Bluray stuff is probably too much for an AMD dual core at that speed

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[R]:

or 720p

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wagnerrp:

1080i is going to be off an HDPVR, up to 13.5mbps

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wagnerrp:

that chip should be able to handle that (single threaded like BBC)

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[R]:

would 720p be easier?

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wagnerrp:

only because you dont have to run the deinterlacer

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wagnerrp:

aside from that, difficulty is more based on bitrate that resolution

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[R]:

why does the hdpvr and bbc do single sliced? is it easier for them or something?

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wagnerrp:

the hdpvr, thats just how the encoder chip is set up

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wagnerrp:

BBC, i cant say

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iamlindoro:

The one and only place where slices matter is software decode in linux

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iamlindoro:

let's take bets on how much anyone outside of people using it care about that

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[R]:

HAHA

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: id say software decode in general

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Not so, many of the windows software decoders couldn't care less about slices

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wagnerrp:

although the windows hddvd/bluray players (at least powerdvd) requires hardware playback support

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wagnerrp:

it wouldnt run at all on my old 6800

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[R]:

so this guy at my work said he'd try to find some DDR for me... this other guy said he just threw out 4gb of it cuz he had nothing to do with it

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[R]:

o

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wagnerrp:

so its just libav that cant do unsliced multithreading (yet)?

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[R]:

i'm hoping my memory situation is contributing to my vdpau issues

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wagnerrp:

DDR1?

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[R]:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

should have sold it, price for that stuff is just going to keep going up

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[R]:

who needs ddr1?

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wagnerrp:

anyone with an AMD system more than ~2 years old

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wagnerrp:

AM2 came out, and DDR1 was pretty much abandoned by memory manufacturers

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[R]:

well i yelled at him for throwing it out

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wagnerrp:

looks like 3 years ago

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wagnerrp:

well ive still got three perfectly functional systems, otherwise limited by lack of memory

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MrFuzzy_:

I was looking to transcode my myth files to avi, but most of the documentation talks about .nuv files, and i have .mpg, so do i use nuvexport still?

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wagnerrp:

the built in transcoder can only transcode to mjpeg or mpeg4asp and mp3 in a nuv

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MrFuzzy_:

so I should still use nuvexport? or is there a better way?

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wagnerrp:

your preference

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MrFuzzy_:

what do you do?

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wagnerrp:

lossless through mythtranscode

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wagnerrp:

mpeg2 --> mpeg2 sans commercials

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MrFuzzy_:

into what format?

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MrFuzzy_:

oops yea

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MrFuzzy_:

only play it through myth?

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wagnerrp:

primarily myth

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MrFuzzy_:

is there a way to pull the program data out into a script variable?

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wagnerrp:

yes, see JobQueue and/or perl/python bindings

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wagnerrp:

or you could just pull the information from sql directly

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wagnerrp:

what exactly are you looking to do?

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wagnerrp:

seems nothing

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pak0:

good morning all people

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pak0:

myth recognizes my tv-card, but identifyed as dvb-s and mine is dvb-t, i?m using restricted drivers for my card, what can i do?

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pak0:

its a new wiki for myth 0.22?

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pak0:

kaffeine detect my card but myth-backend nop

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loki_666:

i'm having an issue with mythwelcome creating some mythfrontend defunct

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loki_666:

should i fill a bug?

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pat_:

ok, quick question I've got an opensolaris host and run a mythtv slave backend under xen on it. It reliably crashes at the end of a transcode (kernel panic) if I enable more than one virtual cpu. My guest os is ubuntu 8.04. Has anybody else experienced somethign like this?

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laga:

pat_: mythtv cannot crash your box unless run as root. your kernel is broken :)

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pat_:

yeah, that's what I was thinking. I'm not blaming anybody I'm just trying to get it to work.

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pat_:

ubuntu-xen kernel image seems the culprit

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pat_:

but I would have thought there would be widespread problems if it was

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laga:

go get a backtrace and file a bug in launchpad, maybe one of the ubuntu devs will care

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pat_:

thanks. will do.

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laga:

they do have a page about debugging kernel problems in their wiki, so you might wanna check that out to get useful debugging information

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laga:

there is also #ubuntu-kernel, but they're not that talkative

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pak0:

hi all people

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pak0:

my dvb-t works on kaffeine, but mythbackend say all time "error parsing parameters" when try to look for channels, what look can i red for look the problem?

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pak0:

mythbackend.log seems all to be ok

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jamieleshaw:

Hello, i have mythtv working partial, it pick up all channels etc. but it when i click watch tv it goes back to homescreen, any idea how to fix?

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jamieleshaw:

Soory, i left by accidentr

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pak0:

yes

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pak0:

i think your folder for store timeshift is w/o permissions

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pak0:

change your folder permission

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jamieleshaw:

me?

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pak0:

my problem is hard, i can`t understand why can scan for channels on mythbackend

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pak0:

yes jamieleshaw, try changing permissions on folder for wath tv

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laga:

the blind leading the blind

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laga:

jamieleshaw: check the backend log

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jamieleshaw:

laga, where's that?

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laga:

pak0: check the mythtv-setup log (and/or pastebin it)

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laga:

jamieleshaw: what distro are you using?

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pak0:

its ok

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jamieleshaw:

Karmic Koala

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laga:

jamieleshaw: /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log

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jamieleshaw:

what do i look for?

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laga:

errors ;) or just pastebin it

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pak0:

http://pastebin.com/m42cd3fd5

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jamieleshaw:

give me a sec i hvae idea ;)

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pak0:

i can?t see the error on mythbackend

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laga:

pak0: i doubt that's the mythtv-setup log.

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pak0:

only "unable to find channel in database" when i leave from mythbackend because i can`t scan for channels

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pak0:

it is

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laga:

pak0: it is not.

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laga:

"#

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laga:

2009-09–24 01:29:02.411 mythbackend version: trunk [21785] www.mythtv.org"

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pak0:

i have on /var/log/myth: jamu.log, mtd.log mythbackend.log mythfrontend.log and mythwelcome.log

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pak0:

where i can find myth-setup.log?

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laga:

pak0: start mythtv-setup in a terminal and copy the output from there. or redirect it to a file

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pak0:

ok

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pak0:

w/o sudo?

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jamieleshaw:

laga, MY IDEA WORKED DEFAULT CHANNEL WAS WRONG YAY! ;) thanks to you and the log

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pak0:

no errors on output

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laga:

pak0: did you scan for channels?

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pak0:

i try it on terminal and enter, still not scanning, and no errors lol

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pak0:

only the error while try to scanning

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pak0:

when i enter on myth-setup the config says i have one dvb-s and my card is dvb-t

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pak0:

kaffeine works fine with this card

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pak0:

if i try to import from channels.conf, myth-setup say failed 1%

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pak0:

no errors on terminal

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laga:

so you have a dvb-t card and mythtv-setup says it's dvb-s?

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pak0:

yes xD

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pak0:

kaffeine read fine my card but mythtv no

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laga:

that's a bug, you should report ot

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laga:

it*

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pak0:

i can repair that installing dvb-utisl or mercurial?

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laga:

i don't know

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pak0:

i have to attach any file?

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jamieleshaw:

laga, How can i make it full screen

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pak0:

its under aparence on mythfrontend configured

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pak0:

jamieleshaw, enter on myfronted, seleccion configure -> configure -> aparence and look on the menu

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jamieleshaw:

what's the setting name

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pak0:

wait i look for it

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jamieleshaw:

it's ok i figured it out

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pak0:

when we can have a spanish scrappers on myth?

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jamieleshaw:

thanks pak0 & laga bye

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styelz:

Could not connect to weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org:80 (130.133.35.11). – connect (111 Connection refused)

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styelz:

poop

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defaultro:

Good morning folks. Quick question about hdpvr. Am I correct that it records using the component out of a set top box as the input to the hdpvr card?

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defaultro:

and how do we check an HD show what video bitrate is being sent to us like FOX channel, ABC, etc?

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jduggan:

ffmpeg -i

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jduggan:

:P

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RDV_Linux:

defaultro: Yes STB component out for HD. The HDPVR is a USB box and not a card. I am unaware that there is a way to identify the bitrate of the input source. I just crank the HDPVR settings up to accept the highest bitrate the source can deliver.

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Chiliblue:

Can anyone suggest a budget pci dvb-s (or even better still dvb-s2) card for use in the UK?

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defaultro:

Just got back RDV_linux

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defaultro:

how does myth change channel on the hdpvr?

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RDV_Linux:

I use firewire which is very dependable but dependant on what your STB is capable of. I understand that the IR blaster on the HDPVR now works but I do not know enough about it to give you any advise.

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r3z:

Anyone use an HD home run with comcast?

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r3z:

Does it work?

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pak0:

i still looking of modifiy my dvb on mythbackend

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pak0:

kaffeine works with my dvb-t, but mythbackend still saying is a dvb-s card lol

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pak0:

and myth dont scan automatically for all my movies on database? i have to do it manually same as 0.21?

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GreyFoxx:

Correct

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jedlhl:

is there a tool for decrypting BD in linux or is it only possible to do in windows at this stage?

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resno:

What is the recommended dual tuner card that can do HD?

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tmkt1:

dual both being digital?

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tmkt1:

hvr-1600 has dual tuner..one digital and one not

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tmkt1:

hedlhl you refering to blu-ray?

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resno:

does the hvr-1600 install easily on linux?

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resno:

does the included remote work?

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tmkt1:

resno yeah

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tmkt1:

works great for me

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tmkt1:

every part of it

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tmkt1:

haven't tried the Analog tuner

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tmkt1:

just using the ATSC – digital portion but I'm sure the analog part works

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resno:

so i need to split the input to it, imagine

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meshe:

buy a good splitter, a bad one will degrade your analog reception

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resno:

imagine some you guys have several splitters, you backend must be a mess

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meshe:

i have one split in my cable, one coax to my production myth box and one to my dev myth box

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resno:

meshe: you have a dev myth box..

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tmkt1:

me..to my myth box, and one to the tv

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jedlhl:

@tmkt1 yes I'm referring to blu-ray

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tmkt1:

i fought this weekend with blu-ray

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tmkt1:

anydvd is the solution – windows solution

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resno:

i didnt think blu-ray would work with linux..

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tmkt1:

you can use DumpHD – but it is limited to what it can rip

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tmkt1:

resno

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tmkt1:

you thought right

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tmkt1:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedF . . . uRayAndHDDVD

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tmkt1:

there's that..but didn't really work for the disk i had

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resno:

oh, when i was looking at media center software, i looked at that and i found its pretty impossible, unless you get the perfect setup

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resno:

i am in between how to setup up this whole myth system.

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resno:

on one side i want to do a dedicated backend, and on the other, i want to mix back and front

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tmkt1:

i have just one mythbox doing the front end and back end

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tmkt1:

just need to get some more disk space on it so I can start doing some conversion to iphone format at the same time

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resno:

the wife wants a small front end, so i am not sure how thats gonna work out

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tmkt1:

HTPC case

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Josh_Borke:

resno: 1600 analog works great

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resno:

but she also wants to record multiple shows with multiple tuners

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tmkt1:

2 tuners should be plenty...

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tmkt1:

rarely is there anything good on tv

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tmkt1:

and can't think of anytime that there are 2 good things on

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resno:

you dont know my wife

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Josh_Borke:

i currently have a hvr1600, hvr 1800, hauppauge 215 in my mythbox. too bad i can't get the 1800 to work with crap

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resno:

Josh_Borke: do you record that mnay shows?

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Josh_Borke:

resno: no, but i kept getting tuner cards trying to find one that would work :-X

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Josh_Borke:

the 1800 worked for hd recording

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jedlhl:

I cant believe there's no decrypting tool in linux, it thought a lot of the original research for cracking it was done there

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Josh_Borke:

there are, it's just not easy to get the decrypting keys

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resno:

oh, where can i find a guide to the keyboard keys?

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jedlhl:

@tmkt1: are you saying the decrypting on windows doesn't work properly either, whys that, wither it work 100% or it doesnt right?

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tmkt1:

jedlhl: works on windows from what i've heard using AnyDVD, but that wasn't enough reason for me to install windows

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tmkt1:

just going to give up on blu-ray

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tmkt1:

then even once you rip it..using windows

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tmkt1:

or dumphd

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tmkt1:

of dvdFab

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tmkt1:

playing it..isn't much fun

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tmkt1:

no menus

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tmkt1:

just a much of m2ts files

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tmkt1:

that you can use mplayer or vlc on

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jedlhl:

hmm i thgouht it would beahve the same even one encrytpion removed

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jedlhl:

how hard is it to convert the m2ts files to something that's more usable?

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tmkt1:

nothing to handle the menu system

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tmkt1:

the files are fine

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tmkt1:

they are ususable

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tmkt1:

but they are just video files

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tmkt1:

so you end up with a directory of 50–100 video files

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tmkt1:

and then you have to get some nice thumbnails of them to know what ones you want to play

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jedlhl:

aw shite, wonder what happened to the menuing

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tmkt1:

was much less effort for me to take the dvd version of out of the box, and use it

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tmkt1:

dont see how blu-ray is going to be that popular

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iamlindoro:

tmkt: Erm, with *one* exception in my >100 Blu ray collection, all the films were a single m2ts file

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jedlhl:

oh well very little conten comes from bd yet, and prolly never for me...

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tmkt1:

iamlindoro: hmm..odd

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iamlindoro:

each extra feature is another m2ts file, but if all you want is the film, which is all I care about, it's just one file

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tmkt1:

i only have 1 blu-ray disk..and it had tons of m2ts files..so i guess mine was more of the exception

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tmkt1:

can't believe blu-ray is such a bitch

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jedlhl:

ah okay doesnt sound like much of a biggy but what about all the dolby formats do they get decoded etc..

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tmkt1:

yeah.those were fine

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meshe:

resno: yes, 2 actually, better to mess with a dev box than the production one

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jedlhl:

I thought licensing would get in the way there and so ffmpeg etc would be able to support

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jedlhl:

"would not"

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iamlindoro:

ffmpeg couldn't care less about licensing

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jedlhl:

yeah but the gpl doe :-)

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iamlindoro:

It's generally legal where their devs live under the guise of interoperability

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iamlindoro:

jedlhl: the GPL doesn't care about codec licensing either

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jedlhl:

im assuming ffmpeg is gpl though :-)

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iamlindoro:

some GPL, some LGPL

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jedlhl:

so someone has reversed engineered how to decode all the latstest/greates doldy HD audio formats

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resno:

meshe: i saw the acronmy WEF. o tjomlo ot was

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resno:

i think it was*

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meshe:

it's WAF, but in my case I am the wife

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resno:

the ability to non techs to be able to use it

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resno:

ah, LOL

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resno:

touche

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iamlindoro:

jedlhl: Some of them, but not all the HD audio formats are from dolby...

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meshe:

my husband likes it when myth just works

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resno:

i just got myth working last night and its still a little buggy for me.

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jedlhl:

i know but most content uses dolby HD audio formats

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resno:

alot of the channels didnt come up at all

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meshe:

it'll take some time to get it working how you want it to

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jedlhl:

which ones are supported at this stage? where should i find that out ffmpeg site I guess?

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Josh_Borke:

i should set up a dev myth box

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iamlindoro:

Can play E-AC3, TrueHD, and can parse the DTS core out of DTS-HD

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iamlindoro:

but any 8 channel audio will cause problems

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iamlindoro:

for now, anyway, should be solved for .23

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jedlhl:

is myth unstable recommended at this stage or only if you want constant headaches?

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iamlindoro:

It's called unstable/development for a reason

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iamlindoro:

we *never* recommend it for daily users

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jedlhl:

LOL yeah I realise, was just kidding

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iamlindoro:

it's there if you're developing for myth, or if you want to write and submit bugfixes

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jedlhl:

what's the deal with mythbuntu, it basially just a few gui enahncements for mythtv right?

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meshe:

it includes a lot of helper scripts

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jedlhl:

spose it can't hurt starring off with it, even if one doesnt end up using the hscripts/gui all the time

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meshe:

it takes me about 30 mins to set up a myth box with mythbuntu

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jblack:

meshe: That's amazing.

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tmkt1:

jedlhl: just wait for the next version of mythbuntu

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tmkt1:

jblack: guessing it was due to lots of frustration and efforts

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meshe:

thats in my known area of expertise IE pvr-150s, SD, nvidia...

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jedlhl:

you mean the one due with the 9.10 relase that's many mths away isnt it?

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tmkt1:

i know the last time i installed mythbuntu i had the machine running in about 30 minutes also.. that was after doing 10 other installs of it over the previous 3 days

[16:43:33]

jblack:

straight ubuntu takes about an hour.

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tmkt1:

jedlhl: months away?

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tmkt1:

9.10 is next month

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meshe:

dealing with other types of setups would take more time for the first time or 2

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jedlhl:

im already on 9.04 ubutnu, will prolly turn it into mythbuntu

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tmkt1:

release dates... for ubuntu Year.Month

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meshe:

huh, now that I didn't know

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tmkt1:

not you..for jedlhl – 'you mean the one due with the 9.10 relase that's many mths away isnt it?'

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paperclip:

sheesh

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: So... for you it wouldn't be WAF, it's HAF ... ;-) (i"m just catching up on scrollback... ;-) )

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jedlhl:

ah i see, mighty helpful this irc grp, have luked a bit before but not really engadged, just sux that must devs/usrs are totally opposite timsezone to Oz/Nz :-(

[16:50:42]

jedlhl:

'most'

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jedlhl:

ytis 3am here right now

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meshe:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah :)

[16:51:25]

meshe:

also PAF since my parents have a myth box

[16:51:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

I guess I haven't followed hardware much recently... I didn't know there was such a thing as DDR2–800 ...

[16:51:59]

meshe:

J-e-f-f-A: i bought some of that over 2 years ago :)

[16:52:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: hehehe... ;-) Are they in an 'in-law' apartment in your home, or their own home?

[16:52:11]

jedlhl:

LOL you have been absent for a while ;-)

[16:52:35]

meshe:

J-e-f-f-A: their myth box is at their/our vacation property in the US of A

[16:52:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: ddr2–800? I knew there was 400, 553 and 667, but I thought DDR3 was the new memory...

[16:53:26]

meshe:

yeah, DDR3 is the new stuff, but my husband's mobo supports DDR2–800 and we bought that over 2 years ago

[16:53:52]

jedlhl:

anyway, time for beayty sleep, thanks to those that tried to help, hope i can return the favour one day, adios!

[16:53:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

jedlhl: Yeah, Usually I'm on top of things, but $$$ has been very short the last few years, so I haven't been buying as much PC hardware as I'd like to...

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meshe:

J-e-f-f-A: same (according to my husband)

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jedlhl:

actually that was about the time i did my last big buy, hoping to put a core i7-based VMM togther soon, will trial esxi 1st

[16:56:14]

meshe:

I'm custom building a core I7 system for my husband for xmas

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: I hope he's not monitoring this channel... ;-)

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meshe:

hoping to be able to do bloomfield

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tmkt1:

that is love

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meshe:

J-e-f-f-A: he knows, he's buying me a 13" macbook pro :)

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jedlhl:

meh ill just stay logged in while im counting sheep, never know what interesting comment may float by in this channel, ciao

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Dubstar_04:

I am trying to upgrade from 0.21 to 0.22 and keep getting this Couldn't find mainmenu.xml for theme 'Terra'

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Dubstar_04:

any ideas?

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meshe:

0.22 was released?

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Dubstar_04:

sorry trunk

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defaultro:

hi folks. My friend's mobo, who also has a mythtv, died. He is asking me if this is fine. He told me he doesn't need to play high bitrate encoded video like those from bluray or hddvd. Should I say "yes, the machine is good for" hd broadcast playback.

[17:31:20]

defaultro:

wait, I can't paste it. LOL

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** kormoc blinks **

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trapperz:

Hi. I have a problem in mythtv. I have two pysical dvb-t cards but mythtv is only using one to record even if i have two recordings on the same time on diffrent mux i't doesn't care. I have a vague memory of me "turning off" something when i needed to see live tv and had recordings. But now i can't remember how to undo it..

[17:32:42]

Hiisty:

first i tought that your friend died

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defaultro:

http://www.nopaste.com/p/alekxCjwrb

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kormoc:

I thought he was asking if a dead mobo would work for SD

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defaultro:

please let me know if that combo is find for 1080i playback

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defaultro:

s/find/fine/

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kormoc:

with an nvidia card, likely

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defaultro:

kormoc, he would like to buy that mobo on the link I posted

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kormoc:

my statement still stands

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defaultro:

yes, his existing nvidia card worked pretty well

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kormoc:

the mobo doesn't have an nvidia chipset on it, I'd suggest he get a nvidia card to use with it

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defaultro:

yep, hopefully, his existing nvidia card will work with this mobo he sent to me

[17:35:01]

defaultro:

i mean, the link to the mobo he wants to buy, hopefully it will fit

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defaultro:

ok, let me say yes :)

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defaultro:

LOL Hiisty! I just saw your post. Hahaha.

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: that mb has onboard ATI gfx. <yuck>

[17:38:05]

defaultro:

oh

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: But it does have slots to use other cards...

[17:39:14]

defaultro:

thanks for mentioning that. Great catch. Let me tell him now. :)

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defaultro:

that shouldn't affect his nvidia video card right?

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J-e-f-f-A:

I have an asus board with onboard 8200 nvidia.

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

is that onboard video able to play 1080i?

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: This might be a better motherboard for myth: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . vidia%208200

[17:41:09]

defaultro:

ok, let me send that to him

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: via VDPAU or a suitably beefy cpu, yes.

[17:41:15]

defaultro:

thanks for helping me too

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: 0.22 will have vdpau support when it's released. ;-)

[17:42:05]

defaultro:

yep

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defaultro:

that link you sent should be able to play 1080 high bitrate files as well right

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: And if he can throw a couple more dollars at it and get a 'real' AM2 cpu (ie non-semperon), it would help too... ;-)

[17:43:10]

defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

should I tell him that it should be able to play h264 files smoothly?

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: via VDPAU – it should... Whatever VDPAU is capable of on the 8200.

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defaultro:

k

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: have him read up on VDPAU's capabilities. ;-)

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trapperz:

Hi. I have a problem in mythtv. I have two pysical dvb-t cards but mythtv is only using one to record even if i have two recordings on the same time on diffrent mux i't doesn't care. I have a vague memory of me "turning off" something when i needed to see live tv and had recordings. But now i can't remember how to undo it..

[17:45:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

trapperz: You may have accidentally set them up in the same (I want to say "tuner group", but that's wrong I think...)

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** J-e-f-f-A searches... **

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trapperz:

ok.. i'm a total noob, my linux skills and mythtv for that matter sucks.. so be gentle with me :-P

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defaultro:

what does mobile mean in "Mobile GPU"?

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iamlindoro:

low power, reduced heat with a sacrifice of processing power

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trapperz:

J-e-f-f-A: More like removed one card from something.. i can still use the dvd card to watch live tv.. just not record on it..

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J-e-f-f-A:

defaultro: And if he finds that the built-in 8200 won't cut it, then he could put a more powerful card in the PCIe slot...

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pakoko0:

myth dont recognized fine my card, is a dvb-t and myth says dvb-s and i cant scan for channels

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J-e-f-f-A:

trapperz: Since I can't seem to bring up mythtv-setup on my NX session... IIRC, it's the "Tuner Group" attribute in mytv-setup for the tuner card. Set it to 'Default' for both tuners.

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pakoko0:

kaffeine works fine with this card

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snakedoc:

hi, my usb tv-recorder keeps becoming unresponsive after 24 hours and i have to restart to get it working again, is there a way to fix this without having to restart all the time? :/

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trapperz:

J-e-f-f-A: ok.. i'll try to check that as soon as i'm able to start the mythtv-setup can't seem to get it in my X session on my mythbox.. only says can't connect to X server

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trapperz:

if i'm not able to start anything from inside my X session can i start something from command line out side of X?

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meshe:

could any C/C++ programmers offer up some questions for an interview?

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meshe:

trapperz: export DISPLAY=:0.0

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meshe:

then run your commands

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J-e-f-f-A:

trapperz: : mythtv-setup -> Input Connections -> <select input> -> Page 2: Input Group ;-) Make sure it's "Generic" for both cards... ;-) In mythtv-setup,

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J-e-f-f-A:

trapperz: and don't forget to select the 'Finish' button, or it won't get saved... (If you 'back out' with ESC, your change(s) will be discarded)

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trapperz:

meshe: it worked thatks for the tip..

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trapperz:

J-e-f-f-A: mythtv is in swedish so i have a few issues translating it hehe..

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J-e-f-f-A:

trapperz: I wish I could help ya there, but 'babelfish.yahoo.com' doesn't have a translator for English -> Swedish... ;-)

[18:10:29]

paperclip:

swedish chef, yes.. swedish, no..

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trapperz:

J-e-f-f-A: do you mean where it say DVB:2 (DVBinput)-> DVD ?

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iamlindoro:

bork bork

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J-e-f-f-A:

trapperz: Yeah, if "DVD" is what you named your Listings source.

[18:12:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

(which is very confusing to me...)

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trapperz:

sorry DVB is my video source

[18:15:37]

J-e-f-f-A:

trapperz: Ok, the 2nd page has "input Priority:" "Create new input group" and "Input Group 1" and "Input Group 2" (in english anyways)

[18:16:33]

trapperz:

i have the following freely translated to english in my mythtv-setup first screen. 1. Generell 2. tv card 3. videosource 4. connections 5. channel editor 6. storage groups

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J-e-f-f-A:

4) Connections

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J-e-f-f-A:

trapperz: Then select your tuner's input – probably /dev/dvb/adapter0

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trapperz:

it says DVB:2 (DVBinput)-> DVB and DVB:3 (DVBinput)-> DVB

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J-e-f-f-A:

trapperz: Yes, select that, then on the first page, just hit 'enter' to go to the 2nd page.

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J-e-f-f-A:

trapperz: The bottom two fields are the Input Groups. Use the drop-down to set it to the swedish Equivalent of "Generic"... (It *should* be the only option, other than typing in something yourself)

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J-e-f-f-A:

The help text in english says "Leave as "Generic" unless..." — Hopefully the swedish translation tells you what to set it to by default...

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trapperz:

J-e-f-f-A: Think i found the problem inputpriority was diffrent between the two cards and in the little help at the bottom it said if thats not the same for all inputs it will postbone recordings on that card so that it can be recorded with a card that has a higher priority

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trapperz:

input group 1 "dvb 2" input group2 "generic"

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trapperz:

input group 1 "dvb 3" input group2 "generic"

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J-e-f-f-A:

trapperz: Well, I guess I didn't have -the- solution but may have helped get you in the right direction... ;-)

[18:33:28]

trapperz:

yeah.. thanks a lot... but how do i Tell if it's working?

[18:36:11]

trapperz:

ah well.. i'll figure it out some day... Thanks for all your help =) bye

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** iamlindoro grumbles about coworkers who want to talk to you in the bathroom **

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iamlindoro:

what makes them think that is okay? That is *not* okay.

[18:45:20]

dustybin:

iamlindoro: did you make them go away by talking about mythtv :P

[18:47:22]

justinh:

oh dear oh dear. Windows 7 'party' adverts. Those guys make linux zealots seem normal

[18:48:11]

justinh:

iamlindoro: well you *are* technically on company time :P

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wagnerrp:

windows party?

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justinh:

yeah, get 'all the guys' round & try to convert them to windows7 by showing them 'all teh cool stuff it can do'

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iamlindoro:

justinh: Just wish we didn't have to take a meeting when I'm on the company... furniture

[18:49:48]

wagnerrp:

are they waiting outside computer stores? will there be a run on the display case at midnight?

[18:50:03]

justinh:

iamlindoro: ah. washbasin conversation is much less of a no-no but erm.. any other appliance usage time is off-limits IMHO.

[18:50:16]

iamlindoro:

agreed

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justinh:

wagnerrp: there will probably be some people sad enough – or desperate enough because they've been stuck with vista all this time :D

[18:51:09]

justinh:

iamlindoro: there's always the name & shame idea.

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: what about humming your favorite military anthem?

[18:51:55]

iamlindoro:

I've already tried the crazy eyes and rude bahavior

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iamlindoro:

Doesn't deter some people

[18:52:10]

** wagnerrp recalls a scene from The Right Stuff **

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wagnerrp:

of course that was probably behavior you shouldnt repeat at work for entirely different reasons

[18:52:28]

iamlindoro:

I'm on the verge of loudly, vocally mentioning how my experience so far is going

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justinh:

turn toward them as you naturally might during real conversation.. whoops. Oh god, sorry about your shoes & pants man

[18:53:36]

justinh:

nah not even I'm obnoxious enough to do that. Have a word with their boss :) I think it'd be reasonable

[18:54:08]

iamlindoro:

Only hiccup with that plan is that it's *my* boss

[18:54:24]

justinh:

had a feeling you'd say that

[18:54:56]

justinh:

wow, turns out that not even the a-holes I have to endure at work have habits as bad as that

[18:55:00]

wagnerrp:

im a bit surprised there havent been any calls on the mailing list for support of the Intel CE processor line

[18:55:34]

justinh:

I'm a bit surprised the masses aren't haranguing anybody with the 'is it ready yet?'

[18:56:29]

wagnerrp:

apparently there have been a bunch of demos at IDF of machines running a 'CE3100', PentiumM with integrated graphics and hardware video decoding

[18:57:31]

iamlindoro:

Now if only Intel's "linux friendliness" could produce something remotely resembling a working driver w/ hardware acceleration

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iamlindoro:

or a working driver at all, for that matter

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justinh:

heh

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justinh:

iamlindoro: anyway, I know it's your boss & all but if it's bugging you that much a quiet word might go a way. *careful* quiet word

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iamlindoro:

I've found that speedy trips to the restroom when I'm sure it's empty are generally effective

[19:00:26]

justinh:

unless they follow you.. doesn't bear thinking about

[19:01:12]

wagnerrp:

i find the fact that our bathroom at work has a single toilet tends to prevent these issues

[19:01:35]

wagnerrp:

of course it causes angry stares if you come out to find someone waiting after youve been in there a while

[19:02:07]

justinh:

lol

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justinh:

'I'd leave it a while if I were you'

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wagnerrp:

but then we dont even have a toilet, we have to use one in a lab at the other end of the building

[19:02:48]

wagnerrp:

so at that point, its now their problem

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justinh:

jesus. I need to STFU. over 500 tweets this month

[19:23:15]

tmkt1:

yes you do

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tmkt1:

thats more then 20 a day

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tmkt1:

almost 1 an hour

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pakoko0:

well

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justinh:

thankyou statboy

[19:23:59]

justinh:

the first step is admitting you have a problem :P

[19:24:13]

justinh:

could be worse, I could be hanging out in here more often

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mag0o:

there's a way to leave?

[19:24:33]

tmkt1:

this place your spam is limited

[19:25:28]

tmkt1:

then again..twitter people are voluntarily signing up for your spam

[19:25:29]

tmkt1:

so keep it up

[19:25:40]

tmkt1:

if 500 was too much..your followers would disapear

[19:25:43]

tmkt1:

they obviously want more

[19:25:50]

justinh:

you don't get spam just from being on there

[19:25:51]

tmkt1:

try 5–6 an hour

[19:26:15]

justinh:

bots just follow you when you mention key words they look for in the hope you'll look at the links they send

[19:26:18]

tmkt1:

i just call the people who twit everything spammers.

[19:26:24]

tmkt1:

not talking about actually spammers

[19:26:29]

tmkt1:

like Shaquille Oneal

[19:26:47]

tmkt1:

spammers are less annoying then his twitter account

[19:26:53]

justinh:

well, people I use this with are treating it more like IM really

[19:27:22]

justinh:

which is pretty neat. and no annoying Pirates! crap :)

[19:28:21]

justinh:

might not be long actually, all the myth boxen tweeting about what they're recording.. might actually be worthwhile trying to tie it together into some kind of recommendation tool

[19:28:33]

pakoko0:

how can i modify the id vendor of my dvb-t? mythtv seems to be a dvb-s

[19:28:55]

justinh:

pakoko0: you don't

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justinh:

pakoko0: does it work outside of mythtv as a dvb-t tuner?

[19:29:32]

justinh:

if yes, then you've probably configured mythtv-setup incorrectly

[19:29:40]

pakoko0:

kaffeine works fine with my dvb-t card

[19:30:04]

pakoko0:

but in myth-setup look dvb-s and i cant scan for channels or import channels.conf

[19:30:15]

justinh:

then I dont think mythtv-setup could possibly have misidentified the card.. because YOU select the type of tuner it is

[19:30:29]

pakoko0:

how can i modify on mythtv-setup?

[19:30:41]

pakoko0:

i only can select dvb-s and mine is dvb-t

[19:31:00]

justinh:

I thought there was only a generic 'DVB' type you can select

[19:31:08]

pakoko0:

all drivers seems to be correct on dmesg, and kaffeine can scan channels and works fine with my 2tuners

[19:31:50]

pakoko0:

dvb-usb: found a 'KWorld PlusTV Dual DVB-T PCI (DVB-T PC160–2T)' in warm state.

[19:32:03]

pakoko0:

dvb-usb: KWorld PlusTV Dual DVB-T PCI (DVB-T PC160–2T) successfully initialized and connected.

[19:32:09]

pakoko0:

that is on dmesg

[19:32:21]

pakoko0:

usbcore: registered new interface driver dvb_usb_af9015

[19:32:30]

justinh:

right, so that should be pretty much the string you see when you select the tuner in mythtv-setup

[19:32:49]

pakoko0:

then, what i have to do

[19:32:57]

pakoko0:

sorry, apologize about my english

[19:33:09]

pakoko0:

ill try it on google, but cant find any help

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justinh:

in mythtv-setup, the TUNER CARDS option.. go in there, select the tuner and press ENTER

[19:33:38]

pakoko0:

compiling mercurial or anything?? im little lost xD

[19:33:54]

pakoko0:

in tuner cards i only can select dvb-s card

[19:33:55]

justinh:

if it works in kaffeine it should be just fine in mythtv

[19:34:07]

pakoko0:

and hd homerun, streamer, etc etc

[19:34:16]

justinh:

no DVB-T option?

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pakoko0:

but i think is bad identify on myth, wait one sec

[19:34:19]

pakoko0:

no

[19:34:26]

pakoko0:

on dvb only showme dvb-s

[19:34:47]

justinh:

I'm still pretty sure there's only a 'DVB' type available, not 'DVB-S' or 'DVB-T'

[19:35:23]

justinh:

by default it should show you the first device it finds.

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justinh:

the card type should say something like "DVB DTV capture card (v3.x)"

[19:38:51]

pakoko0:

yes

[19:38:55]

justinh:

is the DVB Device Number selected the only one you have available on that system?

[19:38:59]

pakoko0:

on this section i can select it

[19:39:12]

pakoko0:

dev/dvb/adapter0frontend0

[19:39:25]

pakoko0:

afatech af 9013, dvb-t subtipe dvb-s

[19:39:25]

justinh:

is that the only one?

[19:39:36]

justinh:

wtf? weird

[19:39:43]

pakoko0:

is kworld lol

[19:39:53]

justinh:

sounds like the driver is broken

[19:40:14]

justinh:

or maybe there's a problem in mythtv-setup nobody else has found yet

[19:40:31]

justinh:

try speaking to the guys in #linuxtv & see what they think

[19:40:38]

justinh:

that's *weird*

[19:41:01]

pakoko0:

on linuxtv all people is dead

[19:41:06]

pakoko0:

xD

[19:41:06]

justinh:

give it time

[19:41:20]

pakoko0:

kaffeine can read my dvb-t

[19:41:27]

pakoko0:

then seems problem on mythtv really?

[19:41:44]

justinh:

yeah but kaffeine probably isn't looking at the device subtype like mythtv is

[19:41:50]

pakoko0:

thank you justinh, for try to help me

[19:42:08]

pakoko0:

you need a screen or something

[19:42:15]

justinh:

you could maybe hack a udev rule or something, but I have no idea what the info should look like

[19:42:26]

pakoko0:

i think so

[19:42:30]

justinh:

which is why you need to talk to the linuxtv guys

[19:42:32]

pakoko0:

any ls or something really?

[19:43:00]

justinh:

nothing on the linuxtv wiki about this?

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** dustybin looks forward to: Dragons' Den: Peter Jones' Story 9pm – Dave :D **

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pakoko0:

i dunno

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justinh:

have a look at linuxtv.org. a *good* look

[19:46:47]

pakoko0:

my card work too on vlc xDD

[19:47:11]

pakoko0:

i still all day on linutv.org but cant find nothing

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pakoko0:

and using google all day too

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_ben:

Evening!

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justinh:

pakoko0: is your card mentioned in the dvb-t tuners section of the linuxtv.org wiki?

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justinh:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/KWorld_DVB-T_PC160-2T does not say much about it. You really need to talk to the linuxtv guys

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Captain_Murdoch:

pakoko0, is this trunk or 0.21-fixes?

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janneg:

justinh: it was a bug in trunk fixed with http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21960/

[20:08:25]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: Since you're looking at the screen, the small fix on #7111 worked fine ;)

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justinh:

janneg: heh. that's cool for him then. so he needs to use trunk, or to wait for 0.22

[20:09:15]

iamlindoro:

he's using trunk

[20:09:24]

justinh:

or if he's using trunk already, a newer version

[20:09:27]

iamlindoro:

which is the source of his problem :)

[20:09:49]

iamlindoro:

I mean come on, it's the development version so it *must* be better and more developed, amiright? ;)

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janneg:

justinh: it was a bug in trunk which was fixed after a couple of days

[20:11:15]

AndrewNC:

Is there a legit source for movie trailers usable w/mythtv?

[20:11:37]

wagnerrp:

tmdb links to trailers on youtube

[20:11:47]

wagnerrp:

so, not really

[20:12:17]

iamlindoro:

The DVDs and Blu Rays themselves are a good source

[20:12:30]

AndrewNC:

that sucks, you'd think promotional material is something studios wouldn't mind pusing out there

[20:12:33]

iamlindoro:

Just a matter of figuring out which titme too rip which can be a bit of a pain

[20:12:38]

iamlindoro:

er title

[20:12:56]

AndrewNC:

iamlindoro: good point, never thought of DVDs

[20:13:00]

janneg:

introduced monday last week and fixed last sunday

[20:13:30]

dustybin:

do you guys sometimes have 'movie' nights? invite some friends over to watch movies?

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meshe:

hmmmm, friends? please explain

[20:17:04]

wagnerrp:

meshe's 'friends' dont want to have to get a passport to come watch movies

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[20:19:19]

oweiler:

I've had a weird thing happen recently that I'm hoping somebody can help with: scrolling through recordings sometimes hangs mythfrontend for a few seconds but when it comes back, the preview area only shows stills and I can't watch recordings without stopping mythfrontend and restarting

[20:19:54]

Gav8in:

meshe: what type of interview questions?

[20:19:55]

oweiler:

I've "solved" this problem temporarily by removing the preview video area on the watch recordings window but that seems more like a hack than a solution

[20:20:22]

meshe:

hehe, I won't be visiting my friends in the US until my husband gets off his butt and gets his passport

[20:20:32]

Gav8in:

meshe, we

[20:20:47]

Gav8in:

we got my wife's canadian passport, by mail, from the USA in 13 days

[20:20:50]

Gav8in:

they are amazingly fast

[20:20:51]

oweiler:

running v0.21 release (no fixes) from mythtv.org/download

[20:20:56]

meshe:

Gav8in: just stuff to test their knowledge

[20:21:11]

meshe:

Gav8in: yeah, but he had to do it, I can't do it for him

[20:21:29]

meshe:

he's american living here in Canada

[20:21:30]

wagnerrp:

oweiler: its actually not recommended anyone use that

[20:21:37]

Gav8in:

i did it for my wife; i even drove her to the photo studio that will do canadian passport photos t(thin on the ground here in the USA)

[20:21:42]

wagnerrp:

usually if you want to run source, you run from 0.21-fixes on subversion

[20:22:07]

wagnerrp:

beyond that, you may have discovered a bug in code that no longer exists

[20:22:15]

oweiler:

ah, gotcha. I'll recompile with that then and see what happens. thanks

[20:22:23]

wagnerrp:

0.22 is a few weeks out, and ALL of that code has been rewritten

[20:22:28]

Gav8in:

well, some questions that will test the edges of knowledge might be "what's the purpose of the "typename" keyword?"

[20:22:45]

meshe:

Gav8in: yeah, I think that's what I'm going to have to do, fill everything out and ask him for the answers for things the application needs and drive him to get his photos done

[20:23:05]

oweiler:

wagnerrp: think 0.22 is worth waiting for?

[20:23:12]

meshe:

we just finished our first interview of the day and we somehow managed to break him :S

[20:23:14]

Gav8in:

don't go to just any photo studio, my wife did that and got US passport phootos (which are different)

[20:23:24]

Gav8in:

i bet the US Consulate has a list of studios that work in your area

[20:23:31]

Gav8in:

the Canadian consulate for Boston had a list for me

[20:23:38]

meshe:

Gav8in: yeah, I have the specs and a place that can do them

[20:23:49]

Gav8in:

you're ahead of the ball

[20:23:52]

Gav8in:

next step: get NEXUS passes

[20:23:54]

meshe:

he's just lazy

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wagnerrp:

oweiler: go ahead and try fixes, on a modern machine it will take <<30 minutes to get everything compiled, installed, and running

[20:24:15]

meshe:

Gav8in: heh, i'll have to see if they've changed the rules on pets

[20:24:32]

Gav8in:

the big deal at the border is usually citrus fruit and beef

[20:24:37]

Gav8in:

(tip: none of that)

[20:24:52]

meshe:

yeah, I cross the border about twice a month

[20:24:58]

Gav8in:

ah, you know then

[20:25:12]

meshe:

the last couple of time, they've been really upity about my husband not having a passport

[20:25:12]

Gav8in:

i used to regularly get my citrus fruit stolen off my yacht by the american border guards

[20:25:14]

Gav8in:

darn them

[20:25:17]

oweiler:

wagnerpp: k, do I need to worry about database updates or settings updates in ~/.mythtv when going from plain v0.21 to 0.21-fixes?

[20:25:31]

wagnerrp:

meshe: my uncle had an air rifle confiscated

[20:25:40]

meshe:

wagnerrp: going into canada?

[20:25:45]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[20:25:53]

Gav8in:

bizzare

[20:25:59]

Gav8in:

normally taking guns into canada is really easy

[20:26:01]

meshe:

yeah, if it's over 475 fps, it's a firearm

[20:26:11]

Gav8in:

you just declare them and get a 60 day license on the spot

[20:26:15]

Gav8in:

way easier than taking guns into the USA

[20:26:15]

janneg:

iamlindoro: apple's trailers are still downloadable with a little sed magic

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wagnerrp:

janneg: violation of TOS

[20:26:40]

iamlindoro:

janneg: Right, just wasn't trying to endorse anything questionable :)

[20:27:13]

iamlindoro:

I suspect once people realize .22 MythVideo has trailer abilities we'll see all sorts of.. erm.. ingenuity

[20:27:13]

wagnerrp:

you can do it on your own, but any scripts to do it will never make it into contrib

[20:27:16]

meshe:

hmm, this interviewee has a PO box for an address

[20:27:57]

justinh:

oweiler: always safest to have a DB backup before *any* mythtv upgrade

[20:27:58]

wagnerrp:

is there any auto-detection of trailers in the folder scan?

[20:28:16]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: No, not currently, though it's (fairly low) on my list

[20:28:31]

justinh:

oweiler: not only that, it's generally a great idea to back up the db regularly anyway

[20:28:36]

Gav8in:

oh, hey, maybe someone can help me with my weird problem: new items never show up n my livetv group, and worse yet, there's tons of shows from late august there

[20:28:38]

wagnerrp:

just wondering, ive been manually pulling trailers out when i rip HDDVDs

[20:28:40]

Gav8in:

... without corresponding data on disk.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: yeah, me too, and it's nice to have the blu/HD bitrate trailers when available

[20:28:59]

Gav8in:

... and it is s00per dooper slow to look at that recording group

[20:29:19]

wagnerrp:

speaking of which, i need to figure out how to get a replacement disk

[20:29:25]

janneg:

wagnerrp: ah, I would never suggest to bundle a script scraping apple's trailer page

[20:29:32]

oweiler:

right, will back up everything (including myth binaries in case I need to go back), just wondering if there are any strucutural db changes that I need to do because I'm going from something that's been released to something that's in svn.

[20:29:42]

wagnerrp:

i had one shipped to me bad

[20:30:01]

wagnerrp:

janneg: well there has been one on the wiki for years

[20:30:06]

janneg:

but it's imho easier to download them manually than ripping from DVD/Bluray

[20:30:11]

wagnerrp:

(recently removed)

[20:30:13]

meshe:

oweiler: myth will update the db itelf when you first run it

[20:30:50]

oweiler:

very nice. will try that out then and see what comes of it. thanks

[20:30:57]

wagnerrp:

janneg: considering BR/HDDVD are all manually ripped at the moment, it is of little difficulty to just copy one more file off

[20:31:11]

meshe:

oweiler: back up your db if you're going to want to be able to roll back

[20:31:13]

wagnerrp:

and definitely better to do it at 10MB/s off disk than 500k/s off the internet

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Fozz:

Hey guys

[20:40:29]

iamlindoro:

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

[20:40:37]

iamlindoro:

Oh, not Fo*n*z

[20:40:41]

iamlindoro:

oh well

[20:41:36]

Fozz:

Im very excited about the mythweb flash player, it looks really nice. I almost have it working but when I try to play it it gives me a stream not found error

[20:41:37]

Fozz:

HEY

[20:41:41]

Fozz:

just the man I want to see!!

[20:41:48]

Fozz:

I found a webpage with a chat history

[20:41:54]

Fozz:

from this chat group

[20:42:03]

Fozz:

and YOU were talking about how YOU fixed THIS issue

[20:42:05]

Fozz:

haha

[20:42:29]

wagnerrp:

so obviously you read how to fix it there?

[20:42:35]

Fozz:

no

[20:42:35]

Fozz:

lol

[20:42:36]

wagnerrp:

and your problem is solved?

[20:42:37]

Fozz:

he didnt say

[20:42:46]

Fozz:

it sounded trivial though

[20:42:52]

Fozz:

so I was hoping he could remember what he did

[20:42:56]

Fozz:

I found this ticket: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6935

[20:43:04]

Fozz:

but that's been fixed

[20:43:14]

iamlindoro:

Ah, that old thing

[20:43:17]

Fozz:

I uploaded a new screenshot of the issue (slightly different url since the update)

[20:43:17]

Fozz:

lol

[20:43:20]

iamlindoro:

yeah, fixed in current tunk

[20:43:21]

Fozz:

indeed

[20:43:21]

iamlindoro:

trunk

[20:43:31]

Fozz:

I updated my source today though :(

[20:43:35]

Fozz:

like..5 mins ago

[20:43:51]

Fozz:

maybe I need to clean it

[20:44:07]

iamlindoro:

That path looks correct

[20:44:13]

iamlindoro:

is your ffmpeg properly compiles?

[20:44:15]

iamlindoro:

compiled

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Fozz:

aahha

[20:44:16]

Fozz:

yes

[20:44:25]

Fozz:

with mp3 support

[20:44:29]

Fozz:

the check box is enabled

[20:44:38]

Fozz:

showing that mythweb found it and said it was ok

[20:44:55]

Fozz:

fozz@Ploptop:~$ ffmpeg FFmpeg version SVN-r20016, Copyright (c) 2000–2009 Fabrice Bellard, et al. built on Sep 24 2009 14:38:34 with gcc 4.3.3 configuration: --enable-shared --enable-gpl --enable-libgsm --disable-debug --enable-libfaac --enable-libfaad --enable-libx264 --enable-pthreads --enable-nonfree --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis libavutil 50. 3. 0 / 50. 3. 0 libavcodec 52.36. 0 /

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iamlindoro:

check your apache error log and see if there's anything relevant there

[20:45:18]

iamlindoro:

error and access, for that matter

[20:45:44]

iamlindoro:

and maybe run top and see if ffmpeg pops up for a moment when you try to start a stream

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Fozz:

No config found; attempting to find mythbackend via UPnP.

[20:47:13]

Fozz:

hmm...thats odd

[20:47:19]

Fozz:

thats in my apache error log

[20:49:09]

Fozz:

sorry, I dont understand what you mean by run top?

[20:49:27]

iamlindoro:

run the command "top"

[20:51:04]

Fozz:

oh, thanks

[20:52:12]

Fozz:

hmm, doesnt seem to pop up

[20:52:16]

Fozz:

just mythweb.pl

[20:52:51]

iamlindoro:

does the error.log message correspond with an attempt to launch a stream?

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iamlindoro:

ie, tail -f /var/log/apache2/error.log

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iamlindoro:

then try to stream and see what is produced

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Fozz:

yeah the config not found happens as soon as I press play on the flash player

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Fozz:

maybe its the players configuration data saying where the flv file is

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Fozz:

I think ffmpeg must be running though

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Fozz:

I was trying to dump the ffmpeg output into a log from stream_flv.pl

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Fozz:

so I chanced /dev/null to something else and the apache error log gave a permission error

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Fozz:

which meant it actually TRIED to write something so it got as far as the stream_flv.pl file

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Fozz:

so the problem must be either ffmpeg processing error or the flash player

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android60:

are there any good hybrid tuner cards around $50? or just ntsc for around $30?

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android60:

im assuming no

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wagnerrp:

android60: you do not want a hybrid tuner (specifically)

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android60:

why? low compatability?

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wagnerrp:

the HVR-2250 is the only hybrid tuner with an mpeg encoder, and the mpeg encoder is not supported under linux

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wagnerrp:

so all you care about is the digital tuner

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wagnerrp:

since youre not going to be using a framegrabber for analog

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wagnerrp:

so just look for a digital tuner, and ignore any capacity for NTSC

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android60:

well, actually i didnt really mean hybrid. i meant card with both tuners

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wagnerrp:

so you want a dual tuner?

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android60:

well...

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android60:

I need an analog tuner now, but i figured if i was putting out the money it might as well do both since i know ill need a digital tuner in the future

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wagnerrp:

hybrid means one tuner that can do both ATSC or QAM

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wagnerrp:

dual tuner means two separate tuners

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Josh_Borke:

i vote hvr 160

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wagnerrp:

err... ATSC and NTSC

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android60:

ya, i was thinking dual but said hybrid

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Josh_Borke:

1600 rather

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Fozz:

lol

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android60:

Josh_Borke: in the wiki i thought it said analog on 1600 wasnt working

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 is the only ATSC/NTSC dual tuner supported under mythtv

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Josh_Borke:

android60: analog works great for me under myth 0.21

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wagnerrp:

the 1800 has linux support, but issues with the driver make the NTSC side not play nice with mythtv

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android60:

ya i have the 1800 so i know first hand

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Fozz:

I dont know much about other tuners but I have the Haup 1800 which has ATSC/QAM on one input and analog on another. You can only record cable OR atsc at the same time

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Josh_Borke:

me too

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wagnerrp:

if youve got the space, you might just want to pick up a cheap PVR off ebay

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Fozz:

the only complaint I have about the 1800 is that I can't get the radio working in linux

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wagnerrp:

and then get a 1250/2250/800i/HDHR/whatever later

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android60:

Fozz: how are you doing analog with it? tvtime?

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wagnerrp:

tvtime bypasses the mpeg encoder, and accesses the framegrabber directly

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wagnerrp:

no good for recording

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android60:

ya, hence my search for another card. another reason for my 2nd card hunt is incase i want to watch and record something different, id be all set. and for now I can hold off on that until driver for 1800 works

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android60:

I guess I got lucky for getting my 1800 hvr mce kit for $40

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wagnerrp:

the 1800 is usually closer to $100

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Fozz:

android60: Im not doing analog, just digital atsc, I would have thought analog would work with mythtv

[21:06:37]

android60:

b.c i cant find anything but garbage for the same price range

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Fozz:

1800 is well supported. Did anyone get the radio working with this?

[21:07:23]

android60:

i havent tried yet.

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android60:

but the 1800 digital with trunk is awesome

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android60:

my only issue is if i press like up in the guide too many times too quickly it crashes to frontend menu

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wagnerrp:

android60: the 1250 is a nice card in that range, but is digital only

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wagnerrp:

the 800i is a nice card that you can sometimes find on sale for $30

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android60:

ya, i def need analog something. if its a just analog or dual card

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android60:

what brand is 800i?

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wagnerrp:

pinnacle, no longer produced now that they got bought by hauppauge

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wagnerrp:

and digital only

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wagnerrp:

they usually retail for ~$75, and theyre hard to find anymore anyway

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android60:

ya, and just analog cards are too with the transition and all

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wagnerrp:

id say just go on ebay and find an old PVR-500

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wagnerrp:

deal with using digital when you get to that point

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android60:

all the decently priced pvr500 i can find on ebay have a weird bracket though

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wagnerrp:

yeah, thats the OEM bracket

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wagnerrp:

you used to be able to get hauppauge to send you a new one, i dont know if you still can with them being long out of production

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wagnerrp:

(new bracket that is)

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paperclip:

i haven't tried yet..

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paperclip:

and it's 5:16pm there

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Fozz:

Has anyone here installed mythvodka?

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iamlindoro:

No, but if you're hoping for Hulu, don't waste your time

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iamlindoro:

as that plugin is a) a mess and b) hasn't worked with hulu in a long while

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iamlindoro:

Hulu works fine in Myth's built in browser in the forthcoming release, though

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Fozz:

ooh ok

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Fozz:

thanks for the top

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Fozz:

hulu is all I would have used it for

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Fozz:

*tip

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iamlindoro:

as it is with most people :)

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Fozz:

dangit..I dont know what to do about flash streaming

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wagnerrp:

can you make a menu entry to open mythbrowser directly to a webpage?

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iamlindoro:

menu entry maybe, widget definitely

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iamlindoro:

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iamlindoro:

arm, and sorry, s/webpage/webbrowser/

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Fozz:

FOZZ ANNGGRRYYYYYY

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Fozz:

I finally got a log output from ffmpeg

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Fozz:

IT LIED TO MEEEE

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Fozz:

it IS broken

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Fozz:

undefined symbol: avcodec_channel_layout_num_channels

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Fozz:

now I have something to act on

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Fozz:

yay

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akv:

I was testing the flash streamer on the mythweb webinterface today and it worked perfect on old recordings, but it's having problems with live recordings. It will only play from start to the point of the recording when starting the playback, so live watching doesn't work... any solutions on this?

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xris:

akv: nope. it's not designed for live

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akv:

xris: darn...any way of downscaling live video and still leaving the original untouched?

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xris:

waiting until it's finished and then running transcode? sorry, no clue.

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akv:

okay :)

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xris:

need major changes to mythtranscode before the flash stuff will work properly with livetv

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akv:

yea

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J-e-f-f-A:

akv: The same thing happens with UPnP playback.

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J-e-f-f-A:

akv: ie: trying to watch a recording-in-progress via UPnP, results in the player stopping at the point the recording was at when starting playback on the UPnP device.

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pak00:

myth-backend dont recognize my dvb-t car dnow

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pak00:

just update to trunk

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edman007:

I want to insert a channel manually into mythtv to see if i get anything at all since the scaning does not pick it up, how do i determine the frequency? (i want to see if i get anything at all for WABC-DT in NYC)

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edman007:

that is suppose to be channel 7.1

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Leebier:

hi, i'm having a problem with lirc... I am trying to send channel change commands to my STB via serial. I've gotten most things set up (I think) but when i try to use irsend to test things out, nothing happens, no output, no channel changed, no errors, nothing

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Leebier:

in the /var/log/messages i just get that it accested a new client on /dev/lircd and then removed the client

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Leebier:

i don't know if that's normal or not

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Leebier:

guess i should try the lirc chan too, now that i think about it

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Leebier:

that said any help from anywhere would be hlepful, not sure where to look when i'm not getting errors :)

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