Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, September 21st, 2009, 00:03 UTC

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: Were you planning on applying that TFW toLocal8Bit() change or were you wanting me to?

[00:05:48]

Captain_Murdoch:

forgot about it, I assume one of you guys was going to. sorry about that.

[00:06:26]

sphery:

heh, yeah, I thought you were since you mentioned some other places

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Captain_Murdoch:

doesn't seem to make sense for us to use toAscii in one place and toLocal8Bit in the other.

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sphery:

so the others are already "right" (toLocal8Bit)

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Captain_Murdoch:

the other place I was looking at didn't matter. I can't recall right now, but it didn't appear to be an issue.

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sphery:

yeah, I've forgotten the conversation, too

[00:07:53]

sphery:

just see this patch in my quilt series every once in a while, so it reminded me

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Captain_Murdoch:

I think the place I was thinking of was in MainServer::DoHandleDeleteRecording where it does somethig like toascii().toutf8() or something.

[00:12:41]

sphery:

I'm going to be traveling this week (and only have 'net at night), so I'm not going to apply a change to such an important part of Myth right now.

[00:13:08]

sphery:

If I don't see it go in this week, I'll look through the code better and be up to speed when I get back so I can check it in and watch it. :)

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sphery:

The scariest part to me is that the results of running toLocal8Bit() on a string that contains chars that can't be represented in the local charset are undefined. For toAscii(), though, they're not (it uses ? for chars that can't be represented).

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dserban_:

q: why does it always ask me to select a CD drive upon mythfrontend's invocation?

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sphery:

dserban_: I don't use any of that media monitoring stuff, so I don't know for sure, but I think there's a setting where you can specify it so that it's "locked in".

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sphery:

probably just asking each time since you didn't explicitly set the setting, so it doesn't know if your drives flip/flop

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dserban_:

ahh, I'll check the settings

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Did RDV_Linux's ttvdb.py newline patch work acceptably?

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sphery:

probably either mythtv-setup, mythfrontend, MythMusic, MythVideo or MythArchive settings

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sphery:

(though that really doesn't help narrow it down... :( )

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Yes wagnerrp said it worked and welcome back

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iamlindoro:

OK, thanks to both, will apply in a few

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iamlindoro:

and thanks for the welcome back :)

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RDV_Linux:

np

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sphery:

welcome back, iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

thanks :) ;)

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laga:

welcome back iamlindoro!

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** iamlindoro waves **

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laga:

ohai

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, since MythtV should only ever write out files like chanid_starttime.(mpg|nuv), then MV is the main thing to consider. does toLocal8Bit just strip out the unavailable chars or does it fail or what?

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sphery:

I haven't run any tests...

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sphery:

the docs just say "results are undefined"

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sphery:

http://qt.nokia.com/doc/4.4/qstring.html#toLocal8Bit

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sphery:

actually, "returned byte array is undefined"

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sphery:

that doesn't say it returns NULL

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sphery:

I haven't looked at the QString code, yet, either

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Captain_Murdoch:

ok, now I remember you saying underfined. so, with the issue with MV before, would it have been solved by using toAscii everywhere?

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Captain_Murdoch:

since MythTV shouldn't have odd chars, recordings will work with either unless the user renames files.

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iamlindoro:

Problem w/ toAscii everywhere AIUI is if you use a title that can't be represented in Ascii, it's all ???s

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sphery:

Captain_Murdoch: well, toAscii() introduces a problem with potential filename duplication through "strategically-placed" ?'s

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sphery:

and it does make some hard-to-read filenames for some users

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Captain_Murdoch:

tossup whether undefined or ???

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Captain_Murdoch:

's are more unreadable. :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

sounds like we need to sanity check the filenames we generate. that may be best done at the source (ie, MV), so it always uses the same filename.

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sphery:

what do they mean by undefined? just that it will have "something" where the bad char was

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sphery:

or that the whole string is suspect?

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Captain_Murdoch:

result of toLocal8Bit being undefined

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sphery:

(i.e. that it truncates or ...)

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sphery:

right, wondering how to define undefined... :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

who knows. undefined can mean that it works fine in 4.4, but not in 4.5 but ok in 4.6, etc.

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sphery:

ah, so even testing/looking at the code isn't worthwhile

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Captain_Murdoch:

possibly

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sphery:

could just throw BLOB's in the DB ;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

undefined means nobody wrote code to standardize how it works.

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Josh_:

So, if I'm in the middle of a full blown 20x fast forward (through the commercials, heh), What button can I hit to return me back to "play" mode? I've tried hitting "P", but it pauses before it will play again.

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Captain_Murdoch:

sphery, can we be sure that the underlying filesystem supports all the chars supported by toLocal8Bit?

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sphery:

Josh_: P isn't play, P is toggle pause. hit PLAY (Alt-P?)

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Captain_Murdoch:

guess so if it stores in 8 bit as the name implies

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Der_Thomas:

Hi all, got a weird problem I can't figure out

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Der_Thomas:

I'm switchig from a serial (homebrew style) remote receiver to using the one on my pinnicle pctv card

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sphery:

I don't know my i18n very well, so I'm not the guy to ask...

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Der_Thomas:

I'm having trouble getting lirc working with it but what is weird is that some functions of the remove work with myth even when LIRC isn't running

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sphery:

Josh_: Ctrl+P

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Der_Thomas:

Is the card connecting to myth in another way?

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Josh_:

sphery, ahh, I don't see that in the mythtv keybindings webpage. Are those "special" keybindings documented somewhere?

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sphery:

Der_Thomas: that means you have the kernel keyboard driver for the remote loaded--which will break stuff

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sphery:

Josh_: MythControls is the documentation--and is always personalized for your own system ;)

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sphery:

(MythControls is a plugin in 0.21-fixes and part of core mythtv in trunk)

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sphery:

the webpage/howto/keys.txt/... are all way out of date/very "basic", so MythControls is the best place

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Der_Thomas:

OK, so is it better to have the remote work that way or to turn that off and use LIRC?

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sphery:

IMHO, LIRC is perfect for a remote... they don't call it Linux Infrared /Remote/ Control for nothing

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sphery:

the keyboard driver means you get what keys the kernel guys want you to have

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sphery:

and you have to remap the keybindings in all your apps to fit

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Der_Thomas:

ahh

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Der_Thomas:

I get it

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Der_Thomas:

Hmm, don't know why it is acting that way. I didn't load any special modules. Must get loaded when I load the modules for the video?

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sphery:

when you load modules for the capture card

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sphery:

or automatically by the kernel

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sphery:

you likely need to blacklist it

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sphery:

use lsmod to find out what's loaded

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sphery:

or Google to find out what the driver is called

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Der_Thomas:

right

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Der_Thomas:

cool, thanks man. been pulling my hair out all day

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Der_Thomas:

The reason I am doing this is that I just got a serial irblaster and trying to get LIRC to work with 2 serial devices is really hard

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Der_Thomas:

It seems like it is possible, but I just can't get it to work

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sphery:

yeah, it's a pain

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sphery:

been there, done that

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sphery:

don't /ever/ want to do it again

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Der_Thomas:

haha

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sphery:

(and it's an ugly hack of a solution, too)

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Der_Thomas:

yeah modifying the srv to run two version

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Der_Thomas:

I couldn't get it to compile so I switched paths to try using this other remote receiver

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Der_Thomas:

now of course that is a pain too – haha

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sphery:

yeah, that pretty much applies to LIRC in general

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sphery:

but once you get it set up, it's 100x better than the keyboard drivers

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[R]:

sometimes my frontend kill deicde to use 100% cpu

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[R]:

is this known?

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tank-man:

more info is needed

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tank-man:

impossible to know

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dserban_:

[35441.062965] mythfrontend[8767]: segfault at 7ffffc ip b6813852 sp bfb1afe0 error 4 in libc-2.9.so[b67a3000+158000] ok, so... it's not my hardware... ran it through stress, heat, memory and i/o tests for like 4 days now. is this normal?

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dserban_:

err it's not normal... dumb question.

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dserban_:

But is it something common?

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[R]:

yeah, its hard to get details really

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[R]:

i'm trying my hardest to get the box to reboot cleanly

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[R]:

it responds to commands, itj ust refuses to reboot and or halt

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tmkt:

Hello Hell

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tmkt:

o

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tmkt:

anyone try mirobridge?

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sphery:

dserban_: sounds like a broken libc (which is the basis of the entire system, so would cause segfaults in all sorts of apps)

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** dserban_ awaits for someone to flood the channel with a bunch of Hello's. **

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dserban_:

sphery, yeh

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dserban_:

dpkg died, aptitude died... I've gone on assuming it's the kernel or hardware, I'm hella sure it's not now. (hardware).

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[R]:

VICTORY

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sphery:

I'd suggest reinstalling the whole system

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[R]:

i killed X

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sphery:

format and reinstall the distro

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dserban_:

sphery, I can just er... crap

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sphery:

make sure you get the right build for you hardwaare

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dserban_:

I've already done that heh... but debian sid isn't known for "stablity" if I could narrow it down I could submit a bug... but tracking it seems next to impossible

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sphery:

have you tried other distros?

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sphery:

throw MythBuntu on there and see how it goes

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dserban_:

dmesg

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sphery:

it's Debian-like, so you should feel relatively at home

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dserban_:

err oops wrong window

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sphery:

[R]: glad you found a way in... hope you get the shutdown/startup thing working

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dserban_:

mythbuntu... was locking harder and harder each update. I gave up on it and launch pad had like 300 people following the same locking bugs ... gave up on it unfortunately.

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sphery:

well, it seems to run pretty stable for a lot of people

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sphery:

then again, I'm not a user, so I can't say forsure

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[R]:

sphery: yeah, looks like its working great

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[R]:

sphery: now i'm trying to work out some bugs in my mysql

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sphery:

some wrong signature thing?

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[R]:

if i give phpmyadmin my root user/pass, it acts like its not root cuz i can't create tables and i can't manage users

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dserban_:

sphery, oh I'm not knocking it... hell I'd love to support it as it seems to be opening quite a few doors for us linuxers ... unfortunately, it felt buggy on two machines, I didn't understand the differences between the two ... so I went back to familiar ground

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[R]:

and if i try to use a blank root pass with phpmyadmin, it just refuses to work at all

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dserban_:

sphery, not a user?

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tmkt:

mythbuntu worked best for me

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tmkt:

tried mythdora..wouldn't even install

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sphery:

[R]: did you try your personal user's password?

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sphery:

think that's the *buntu way, now

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Josh_:

I just wish my inbuilt IR reciever on my laptop would work with linux

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sphery:

IRDA or an actual remote (like from a Dell laptop)

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[R]:

sphery: there is only the root, phpmyadmin, and mythtv users

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sphery:

[R]: yeah, but root MySQL user with your normal user's password

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Josh_:

sphery, I *think* it's an irda, it's on a Toshiba X205-sli4 laptop. cant find any info on my specific laptop

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sphery:

yeah, IRDA won't work for LIRC/remote stuff, anyway, so no big loss :)

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[R]:

sphery: i expliclity set the root mysql user's password

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sphery:

ahhh

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Josh_:

sphery, this laptop actually came with a full featured remote that works in windows. I'm sure the hardware is capable, just there's no driver support for it

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sphery:

ah, maybe it's just LIRC that won't do IRDA

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sphery:

oh, guess LIRC now supports IRDA

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Dagmar:

For what?

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Dagmar:

It looks like it might be possible for super-genius types who can code it up themsevles after looking at http://www.lirc.org/irda.html

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wagnerrp:

but that all seems to be for serial port SIR only

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wagnerrp:

USB driven ones need not apply

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Dagmar:

It is, at best an ugly hack

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Dagmar:

...and it's not going to work "well" if/when it does.

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sphery:

yeah, I didn't see much more than just that page

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Dagmar:

You might as well be trying to use an electret mic as a sonar reciever

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sphery:

but I figured that page, plus some words on the front page that said the configs work for IrDA was enough to say "it works"

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Dagmar:

When you dig deeper and see what they mean by that tho...

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sphery:

One ping!

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sphery:

yeah, I won't be using it

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sphery:

serial works for me

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Josh_:

bah, gonna reboot to windows and see if I can find out some detail

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sphery:

Wow... Jacob wants Scylla.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/6696

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foxbuntu:

hey all, I am working on setting up/testing my HD-PVR, I have it working so that it records video and plays back, however I cannot play the video back on my remote frontends any ideas?

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Dagmar:

That's covered in the wiki

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foxbuntu:

...the play back acts like its going to start, then it just falls back to the menu

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foxbuntu:

Dagmar, where?

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foxbuntu:

Dagmar, I have bee reading through this: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HD-PVR#Testing_the_Driver

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Dagmar:

On the wiki.

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Dagmar:

It explains what you have to do to make a remote frontend able to access the backend and database.

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wagnerrp:

not 'quite' cancelled?

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Maybe that explains why it wasn't on tonight

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Dagmar:

...but hten, I'd stopped watching it and had relegated it to "mostly just listening to while minimized"

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wagnerrp:

well it wasnt on tonight, because there have only been 8 episodes

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wagnerrp:

as seen by last week's cliffhanger

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wagnerrp:

they love doing that on shows with no more content...

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foxbuntu:

Dagmar, Im sorry I must have not been clear, my remote frontend can access other data on the backend, its recordings and livetv on the hd-pvr

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wagnerrp:

seriously... do you expect to get good ratings at 10 pm on a Sunday?

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Dagmar:

I must have somehow been vague about it being on the wiki

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wagnerrp:

i mean thats as bad as a friday evening for a show geared to a young audience

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foxbuntu:

Dagmar, I think there is a disconnect in communication here. My Problem ONLY relates to recordings generated from the HDPVR tuner, other tuners and data stored on the backend are working on the remote machines

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Dagmar:

I wouldn't call that a disconnect, I'd call that "details completely not mentioned"

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foxbuntu:

Dagmar, Im sorry for not being clear enough earlier

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Dagmar:

You might want to start by looking at the output that's going to the console on your frontend when it fails

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Dagmar:

...although from your description I'd say the problem is probably that you don't have vdpau working right, or at all, or that you managed to omit an h.264 decoding library on that machine

[02:52:13]

Dagmar:

That other types of recordings will stream to that box eliminates a whole raft of possibilities

[02:54:12]

wagnerrp:

'i am not sure students have a sense of any reason why they should vest their time and effort in writing a message out manually when it can be sent electronically in seconds'

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wagnerrp:

im in my mid-20s, and i dont understand the use of teaching people cursive

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wagnerrp:

i can scribble non-cursive pretty damn fast, as fast as people ive seen use cursive

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wagnerrp:

and it is at least as legible if not more so

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Dagmar:

Mainly because it teaches them craftsmanship.

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[R]:

i'm trying to run mythtv-setup on a second computer and it says its not finding the upnp backend

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[R]:

but i know its running... do i have a config set wrong somewhere?

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Dagmar:

Probably

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wagnerrp:

so have then take something that teaches craftsmanship, and can actually be used for more than their signature when they grow up

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[R]:

i have the public ip set in the mythtv-setup for the backend

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Dagmar:

At the age of seven?

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wagnerrp:

sure, why not

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Dagmar:

[R]: At the risk of saying the same thing so many times in one day

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wagnerrp:

i wasnt older than that by the time my dad started teaching me how to repair things around the house

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Dagmar:

...have you typed "upnp" into the search box on the wiki and read the bottom of the first page it shows you

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[R]:

haha... i actually have a version mismatch

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[R]:

let me fix that

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[R]:

Dagmar: no, but i'll check that out too

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Dagmar:

Generally the last of a multicast route is what keeps people from having it work

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Dagmar:

Above that there's not remembering to set a real IP for the backend to listen to

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Dagmar:

...and above that there's general idiocy

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[R]:

lol

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Dagmar:

It's only a few distros that bother to set a route to multicast in any case

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Dagmar:

MythBuntu being one notable exception, for somewhat obvious reasons

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: would most consumer routers (and ISPs) even know what to do with a multicast signon?

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

THey'd know to drop it on the floor

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Dagmar:

...or pass it up to the ISP who would then drop it on the floor.

[03:04:04]

Dagmar:

That's what generally hapepns.

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wagnerrp:

love those standards....

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Dagmar:

You just don't find ISPs that do multicast anymore

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Dagmar:

The only reason they did at my first ISP was because I turned the stuff on in the routers my damn self

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wagnerrp:

no one wants to watch someone elses stream... they want the internet to be on-demand

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Dagmar:

But you know, of course everyone needs a new proprietary protocol for video streaming because multicast doesn't exist.

[03:05:56]

Dagmar:

You'd thikn this would be a no-farking-brainer for hte cable companies

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wagnerrp:

i have to wonder if internet-only TV stations would be more common if ISPs supported multicast

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Dagmar:

There's like ONE

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wagnerrp:

right now, its probably too expensive to run such a station of any significant size

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Dagmar:

Some guy I was talking to last year in Seattle had a cable company that was using IPTV and multicast

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Aji-Dahaka:

this probably gets asked all the time, so a (recent) link would be fine, but ...what's the recommended hardware like these days? I want to do TV tuning (preferrably something that can do encrypted digital streams if that's possible) and do blu-ray image decoding and so forth

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Dagmar:

Frankly, I think someone at Syfy was having a laugh pretending to be someone from Eureka

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Dagmar:

The only town where proper technology is used

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wagnerrp:

you cant do encrypted digital streams

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Dagmar:

If you're on their network, you're subscribing to their cable TV

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wagnerrp:

the only thing you can do is use your STB to decrypt and decode, and then use analog capture from there

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crankhar1er:

I've got this awesome action when trying to watch liveTV http://pastie.org/624148 — and I'm sure this is the reason why my scheduled recordings arne't working either... I don't follow the suggestion setup software encoders profile ??!?

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wagnerrp:

similarly, you cannot do blu-ray

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Dagmar:

THey weren't selling them as separate services with a bundle package

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wagnerrp:

there is very marginal support for decryption under linux

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Dagmar:

They were flat out selling them as one combied service

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wagnerrp:

and there is no support for doing it on-the-fly

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wagnerrp:

nor is there support for the menu system

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Aji-Dahaka:

oh, thank you, wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

the best you can do is rip and decrypt in windows with anydvdhd, and then play the video file on linux

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Dagmar:

It's amazing how many people don't even read the shorted of install documentation

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Dagmar:

s/shorted/shortest/;

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Aji-Dahaka:

my current media system is using vlc (in macos) and it seems to work alright. I had thought perhaps the status of blu-ray support had changed

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Dagmar:

Nope.

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Dagmar:

Lawyers are still dicks.

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Dagmar:

When that changes, check again.

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Aji-Dahaka:

yeah, that's the trueth.

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Dagmar:

Let's see, when did DVDs first come out?

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[R]:

Dagmar: looks like it was that route

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Dagmar:

12 years ago or so?

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Dagmar:

We still don't have a legal way to play them.

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[R]:

Dagmar: thanks

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Dagmar:

[R]: Thankfully there's not too much that can break the uPNP

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wagnerrp:

nah.... DVDJon was like 10 years ago

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wagnerrp:

DVDs have been out since the mid-90s

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Dagmar:

DVDJon accomplished what exactly?

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wagnerrp:

maybe 15 years ago, and still no legal way to decrypt them

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Dagmar:

Regardless of whether or not it's damn near impossible to buy a DVD burner without a copy of Nero and PowerDVD which both paid the relevant licence fee, we can't legally decode them still.

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Dagmar:

Or rather, for the purposes of fair use you're allowed to reverse engineer the entire thing and write your own decoder and player

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Dagmar:

No one else may help you.

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Dagmar:

...otherwise they're slapped with charges of contributory copyright infringement and more.

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clever:

and your not allowed to share it?

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wagnerrp:

as much as i dislike Real Networks, it's a shame they got pounded down in their lawsuit

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Dagmar:

Yes. Obviously everyone is a criminal until proven otehrwise.

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: This is probably why RealPlayer SE is so quick to download other people's videos now

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clever:

'your either with us, or your a terrorist'

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Dagmar:

"Screw it. We're going to get sued anyway. Time to start burning some bridges"

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Dagmar:

I'd have uninstalled it already if it weren't for that

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wagnerrp:

i think its even more disgusting that they pounded down kaleidoscope

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wagnerrp:

they produced some rediculously expensive home theater server in the early 2000s

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wagnerrp:

like $30K for one of these systems

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Dagmar:

Sounds like there's a lot of margin in that for lawyers to bite into

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wagnerrp:

where you dumped DVD images onto it, and it would allow you to play them anywhere in your house

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wagnerrp:

basically a networked DVD jukebox

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Dagmar:

OMG PIRACY

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Dagmar:

I remember.

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Dagmar:

I thought it was perfectly freaking stupid the claims tehy made

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wagnerrp:

the kind of thing that if you do spend the ridiculous amount of money on this hardware, you are certainly going to be filling it with a couple grand worth of legitimate DVDs

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Dagmar:

No one with thirty thousand to burn on a home theater system pirates a damn thing

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Dagmar:

They fedex whatever they want to watch

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wagnerrp:

because at that point, price is no object to you

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wagnerrp:

they even paid in the necessary DVD licensing fees

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wagnerrp:

i dont see how what they did was illegal anyway

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Dagmar:

It wasn't.

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wagnerrp:

i mean its no different than just running 'dd' on your disk drive

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Dagmar:

They covered all their bases except one.

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Dagmar:

They didn't offer the people suing them the lion's share up front.

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Dagmar:

It's as simple as that.

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Dagmar:

You do not enter this market, EVER, without paying off the monopolists first.

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wagnerrp:

im mean youre allowed to make a backup copy, this machine was just doing it for you already

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Dagmar:

This is why the only new companies you see in that space come out of China

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Dagmar:

Who said you were allowed to make a backup?

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Dagmar:

I guarantee you no lawyers have heard of that.

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Dagmar:

Their thinking is that if you can pay them another $30 you can just buy another backup.

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Dagmar:

Not kidding about that, by the way

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Dagmar:

It was used in a court argument in 2002

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Dagmar:

This shit is probably the reason you never see the media companies directly engage certain lawsuits in court

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wagnerrp:

they dont want to have to defend it

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wagnerrp:

because it will get thrown out if it ever hits a sensible judge?

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Dagmar:

If they formalized the extention of the VHS fair use rights over to digital media, they'd lose a great number of avenues by which to sue people and claim they are stealing.

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Dagmar:

So, if a case goes to court on that merit, it gets dropped.

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wagnerrp:

amazing....

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wagnerrp:

theyre replacing the Bay Bridge, because structural engineers dont think it will withstand an earthquake

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wagnerrp:

so a pair of architects want to repurpose the old bridge as apartment and park space

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wagnerrp:

i guess theyre planning ahead for a future dystopian society, where the bridge can be turned into a defensible position

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wagnerrp:

so then i guess the pool they have in the demo shots would be used to hold the cyberdolphin

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[R]:

it doesnt' look like mythcommflag works too well over wifi

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wagnerrp:

mythtv in general does not like wigi

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wagnerrp:

wifi

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

is there any way to manipulate the job queue?

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wagnerrp:

explain

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[R]:

i dunno, like i have some commflag jobs that are in there, but they claim they are marked as finsihed, but they are still in there

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[R]:

and they aren't finished

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wagnerrp:

jobs remain in the table finished, so you can see that they are in there, and finished

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wagnerrp:

if you want to rerun them, just change the status from 272 to 1

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[R]:

i guess thats what i was wondering... how do you do that?

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wagnerrp:

dont know sql?

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[R]:

oh, gotta edit the table?

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[R]:

i don't think my 3ghz celeron can handle everythign i'm throwing at it

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[R]:

it just grinds to a halt very easily

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wagnerrp:

netburst was a marginally architecture

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wagnerrp:

the celeron versions more so

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wagnerrp:

all the cache misfires, without a sizable cache to alleviate the issue

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[R]:

as soon as i kill X my hdpvr comes back online

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[R]:

of course now my recording is corrupt

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Dagmar:

Perhaps you missed the memo about how much framegrabber cards suck

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Dagmar:

Oh wait

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[R]:

i'm not using a framegrabber?

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Dagmar:

heh

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[R]:

i think i'll have to get a new cpu/mb a dual core atleast

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[R]:

the only thing i'm really pissed about is i spent the extra money to get a PCI nvidia when if i had just gotten a new mb to begin with... i could have gotten a cheaper pci express

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Dagmar:

doh

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Dagmar:

You probably want a dual-core machine anyway just because it makes the issue of the commflagger a non-issue

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[R]:

yeah, that would be nice too

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wagnerrp:

that 3GHz Celeron probably commflags at... 1/4 realtime?

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[R]:

oh, i wasn't able to run it even

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wagnerrp:

that HDPVR requires about a 3GHz core2 for decoding at full bitrate

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wagnerrp:

(single threaded)

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[R]:

i'm decoding with vdpau

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wagnerrp:

no youre not...

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wagnerrp:

not for commflagging anyway

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wagnerrp:

commflagging is all software

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[R]:

yeah... thats why i said i wasn't abel to run commflag

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason i could think of why it wouldnt run it

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[R]:

it was running, it was just poudning my cpu

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[R]:

pounding*

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wagnerrp:

run it at lowest priority

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wagnerrp:

where it nices, and adds waits in the code

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[R]:

yeah, it looked like it was nice'd

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[R]:

but it was still using like 80%

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wagnerrp:

1/10th realtime, but at least your system is usable

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[R]:

i think i had something set wrong

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[R]:

i need to get it all 100% stable before i worry about commflag though

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[R]:

the whole systme is still a little flaky

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squidly:

anyonw know how I can import rip a dvd wiht 0.22's mythvideo?

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drascus321:

does anyone know how to tune comcast digital cable with mythtv?

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MarcT:

well I'm home =p

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MarcT:

turns out that my buddy's cube, which has a cable hookup, is too far from the drop to get good signal quality.

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MarcT:

I had to put my backend in the breakroom, which is where the drop is... lol

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MarcT:

some of the guys went nuts with the cable in the office, there are Y splitters all over and some W's too

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MarcT:

so putting my backend in my buddy's cube, my digital tuner could barely get 50%

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MarcT:

But I compiled the windows frontend again, and I got one of the machines in my cube acting as a frontend so I can watch some stuff at work =p

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MarcT:

I'll set it up for my buddy too, hopefully he will watch the shows he is behind on so I can delete them =p

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penguincentral:

i was wondering. with mythtv is it possible to store external videos onto the backend that can be streamed to a frontend?

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wagnerrp:

with trunk, yes

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wagnerrp:

with 0.21, the frontends must have direct file system access

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penguincentral:

hm

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penguincentral:

wagnerrp: is there any information on that?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, check the mythvideo page on the wiki

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penguincentral:

wagnerrp: thanks for that

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jya:

A quick one, as I'm facing a family emergency with my 18 month old...

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jya:

2009-09–21 16:44:28.407 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://Videos@192.168.10.11:6543//data/videos/Cartoons/Baby Einstein/11BE_NEIGHBORHOOD_ANIMALS.avi

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jya:

I don't use SG ; everything is mounted locally

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wagnerrp:

certainly looks like its trying to pull off the storagegroup

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wagnerrp:

the SG are not defined at all?

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jya:

this worked fine until a few days ago when I last played it

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jya:

I have the following SG defined:

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jya:

Default, LiveTV, Trailers, Coverart, Fanart, Screeshots, Banners

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jya:

that's it

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wagnerrp:

this is a frontend that you have used for video before? (VideoStartupDir is defined)

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jya:

yes I have used it before

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jya:

I can see all my videos, most of them play fine

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jya:

except that directory

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jya:

Directories is set to /data/videos

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jya:

in the mythvideo settings

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jya:

other videos in that directory plays actually...

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jya:

just 3 or 4 don't

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jya:

they play fine with mplayer

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jya:

weird

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wagnerrp:

ugh... Udo is back

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loki_666:

i'm having an issue with mythvideo and subititles

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loki_666:

subtitles are rendered for about 5min of the movie then it stops

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loki_666:

anyone having this issue?

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ddettman:

is .22 going to support New Zealand and Norway's DVB format? I was following conversations about LATM or something, but have lost track of the current status on the lists.

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pheld:

ddettman: there's no problem with the DVB-format wrt DVB-T. Even the codecs that are used should be ok by now, but then there's encryption. Operators have promised some form of pairing CAMs, but those will most probably be CI+ and thus useless with mythtv.

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ddettman:

that's good news, thanks!. I know about the encryption issues, I have been trying to convince my better half that we only need the open channels here in Norway, I am not going to pay for something so restricted. The open channels still provide more good TV than we have time to watch, even if it's a bit slower to come out. for example Heroes S3 started last night and True Blood is coming soon.

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pheld:

I'm not so sure channel operators will let NTV broadcast in the clear for much longer due to the fear of piracy. We might have to accept CI+ or similar protection even though the subscription for some channels is covered by the national TV license.

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jduggan:

there is a country other than UK that pays a national tv license? :D

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ddettman:

jduggan: Norway's is about 200 pounds a year, for that we get 3 ok channels and a whole bunch of rotton regional ones that have no content. At least BBC has some decent programs.

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ddettman:

pheld: that sounds like madness. Although , sadly, perfectly likely.

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Joopy:

whats a good graphics card to use for output to a coax or compent TV for a decent price? My motherboard has regular PCI slots and 1 AGP

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Joopy:

its actually composite video not compnonet

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sid3windr:

your tv doesn't do svhs?

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Joopy:

i dont think so

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Joopy:

it only has a coax in, and a composite (red, yellow, white) in

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Joopy:

its pretty old maybe 8 or 10 year

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Joopy:

im thinking maybe svideo out and a audio converter out to composite

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sid3windr:

I think a lot of video cards which have s-video out can also do composit eover it

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Joopy:

although when i hook the svideo up to my tv using my notebook it doesnt look all that great just browsing windows on there

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Joopy:

im new to mythtv and im going to maybe build one using an old PC with an AMD Athlon XP 2166MHz processor, a mother board with nvidia nforce2 ultra 400, and 512 ram

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Joopy:

im just wondering what the quality is going to be like with a semi good graphics card, if it looks like regular tv im going to build one

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Joopy:

i guess a better quation would be is it better to convert svideo to composite, or VGA to Composite?

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lyricnz:

Joopy: doesn't your TV have digital in? (hdmi or dvi, or even vga?)

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lyricnz:

Joopy: planning on recording? digital or analogue capture?

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lyricnz:

Okay, reads back.

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lyricnz:

Hmm, it's going to look like cr*p, however you do it. Composite would be better than coax, anyway

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lyricnz:

You can convert svideo to coax with just a cable, or at least that worked fine for me.

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Joopy:

it doesnt have HDMI or DVI or CGA in

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lyricnz:

Depending on where your source media comes from, there's no reason it should look worse than watching something else that comes in via coax. (say watching TV via your VHS)

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Joopy:

only coax and composite which i beleive is the yellow, white, and red

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lyricnz:

Yeah, yellow is composite, white+red are stereo audio

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Joopy:

ya

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** lyricnz used to do svideo->composite for the old telly upstairs. **

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Joopy:

i think im going to have to convert svideo to composite

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lyricnz:

It was okay. No worse than VHS->TV anyway

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Joopy:

i jsut have regulalr cable which i beleive is all digital now

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Joopy:

but it goes from teh box outside straight to my tv

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lyricnz:

Yeah, you probably can't get that into mythtv.

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Joopy:

no cable boxes

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Joopy:

thats where mythtv comes in

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lyricnz:

Into your TV using coax?

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Joopy:

ya

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Joopy:

jjust a cable straight into the tv

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Joopy:

no guides

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Joopy:

channels 1–70 or so

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lyricnz:

It's probably got analogue crapovision on it, to "protect" the content

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lyricnz:

macrovision

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lyricnz:

Which means that a capture card might have a hard time capturing/recording it.

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lyricnz:

Though the cable company is probably laughing at your crappy hookup :)

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Joopy:

i bet

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Joopy:

its only $25

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lyricnz:

Can you record your cable with a VCR?

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lyricnz:

That's a good indication as to whether it has macrovision or whatever

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Joopy:

i dont even watch much tv because i hate commercials

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Joopy:

thats why i want to build a mythtv with like 3 or 4 tuners

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Joopy:

record a bunch of stuff

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lyricnz:

Do you have a VCR? Try and record some cable channels on it, and playback to your TV.

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lyricnz:

Not local stuff, that's probably free, but one of the cable-only channels

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lyricnz:

You're going to get broken by the digital switchover really soon anyway. Time to buy a new tv man.

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Joopy:

i think it has switch over

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Joopy:

but i might be wrong

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lyricnz:

Obama delayed it, the p*ssy

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Joopy:

i thought it was this summer

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Joopy:

and i thougt that was for antennas

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lyricnz:

Maybe it doesn't apply to cable, yeah

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Joopy:

im pretty surethe signal im recieving is digital i just dont have a cable box

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lyricnz:

Anyway, try with a VCR before you do anything else – otherwise you'll be wasting your time with mythtv

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Joopy:

what about a VCR?

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Joopy:

just record it and watch?

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lyricnz:

yeah, if it works, your analogue signal doesn't have macrovision

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lyricnz:

So it should be possible to record (with an analogue capture card)

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lyricnz:

Though they're getting a bit rarer now, since everything is going digital

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Joopy:

i think it should work

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lyricnz:

I have a pvr-350, which does hardware recording, so no CPU load

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lyricnz:

bbl, dinner

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Joopy:

do you need an HD reciever in order get hd signal?

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Joopy:

with a hdmi capture

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MarcT:

Um, to my knowledge there are no HDMI capture devices yet.

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docci:

i have nova t-500 and i try to get mythtv work once again.. after configuring it works ok, but when i change to channel where is no transmit, i get "error showing video" or something like that.. and mythtv goes to menu.. after that mythtv gives same error every time i try to watch tv

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docci:

restarting service doesnt affect

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MarcT:

You will need to change the start channel for the tuner, and then setup your channels so that you cant tune to a channel without a signal =-p

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docci:

hmm, where can i change start channel? in backend setup start channel for both tuners is 1

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MarcT:

docci is 1 a channel that you can tune? Where I am, 1 is on demand and none of my tuners can access that. normal start channel for me is 2.

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MarcT:

If 1 does not work try setting it to another channel yout know you have access to. Like for my digial tuner I sometimes set it at like 800+ even thou I can sei it to a lower number.

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MarcT:

And if you are worried, start channel does not mean the lowest channel you can tune, but it means the channel the tuner will start on the next time you try to goto live tv

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lyricnz:

Joopy: did you get all the information you needed?

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MarcT:

so say you were watching live tv, and you stopped watching when on channel 62, the start channel would be set to 62 so the next time you went to live tv it would again start on 62.

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MarcT:

recording TV does something similar, if your tuner last recorded on 43 the next time you load live tv you will be on 43 if you use the same tuner. however another recording ignores that 43 and tunes the channel that it intends to record on schedule.

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MarcT:

and I gotta goto work now =p might RDC into this machine to help later.. or maybe I'll just ignore you all and watch tv at work lol

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docci:

MarcT: 1 should be normal channel, if those channels are same than channel i get when i press 1..

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docci:

but i reinstalled everything and now its working :) so how can i block tuning channel where is no signal?

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docci:

tried to google but cant find anything

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docci:

should i just remove channels? it wont work because some channels send programs 12h/day

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docci:

and btw, there is signal even there is no program..

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mzb:

docci, why have you got channels configured without signal?

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mzb:

if you go to channel setup in mythweb you can set a particular channel to be hidden, if that helps

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docci:

there are channels which transmit programs 12h/day.. if i change to such channel when there is no program(there is still signal) it brokes mythtv

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mzb:

also, if you go to livetv, you could try to select a "known good" channel *immediately* and then exit

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mzb:

not even a test signal? ... gee ... doesn't sound good

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mzb:

the start channel for each tuner is in the db

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mzb:

you might want to try writing a cron script to change the start channel at the right time ... would that help?

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mzb:

(bit of a hack, and probably not approved by the experts here ... but the best I can suggest;))

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mzb:

ie: if channel 1 goes off air at 1am then write a script to change the start channel for each tuner (it it's on "1") to a "good" channel ... etc)

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docci:

so there is no way to block mythtv changing to that channel?

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mag0o:

hmm, can you set a parental level pin for that channel?

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mag0o:

then not enter the pin when the channel is out of service?

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mag0o:

i forget it the pin applies to channels too, i think it does, but not sure

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mzb:

not that I know of

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mzb:

you can make that channel "hidden", as I've said above, by using mythweb

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docci:

pff, but then channel is hidden :)

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PhoenixMage1:

Hi guys, is it possible to setup a mythtv backend without qt installed?

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mag0o:

im pretty sure qt is a requirement PhoenixMage

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PhoenixMage:

ok, thanks

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PhoenixMage:

Actually, it has to be for db access

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mzb:

docci, didn't you just ask how to block that channel?

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mzb:

you have 2 main options"

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mzb:

:

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mzb:

1. hide the channel

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mzb:

2. delete it

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docci:

block channel so that mythtv wont tune/select it when there is no program because it brokes mythtv and i have to go to mythtv-setup and change startup channel again

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mzb:

option 3 (probably not recommended by the experts) ensure that the start channel in the db is not on a "bad" channel during the "bad" times

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docci:

i want to be able to see channel when there is program

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** laga calls the whambulance **

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mzb:

I've explained my best suggestion twice now ... if you don't like my advice then wait until a real expert can help you

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** mzb looks for the laga remote ;) **

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docci:

ok ty, sry first i thought u didnt understand what i ment

[13:17:10]

mzb:

I can't think of any other way of achieving what you *reall* need, as there's no "these are good times for this channel" setting in mythtv ;)

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mzb:

s/really

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docci:

weird, it should be easy to make mythtv change back to prev channel instead of error+going back to menu and leaving startup channel to "broken" channel

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docci:

is there way to make start channel final, so it wont change ever

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laga:

maybe that's already fixed in trunk

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tank-man:

mythtv-setup

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oobe:

mythvideo shows coverart and fanart but not screen shots and banners in trunk

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oobe:

it did when i first downloaded metadata but it doesnt after running some other grabber scripts

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PhoenixMage:

does mythvideo show movies from the master backend server or only local movies/

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PhoenixMage:

ie, if I am using it do I need to use nfs or something similar to get access to the movies

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tank-man:

PhoenixMage, the latter, but ive heard in here that newer mythtv versions can do the former

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PhoenixMage:

I am building trunk atm maybe it will support it

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oobe:

there appears to be usful info in my frontend logs http://pastebin.ca/1573944

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GreyFoxx:

oobe: Maybe those scripts wiped the screenshot fields in the database

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oobe:

thats what im thinking GreyFoxx

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oobe:

i ran some old script i used to use in 21 and i think i messed up some tables

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oobe:

is there a way i can reinstall the db tables

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GreyFoxx:

I doubt your script would have changed the schema of them

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GreyFoxx:

just the content

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GreyFoxx:

so if you have a backup from before the script was run you could just reimport the content

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oobe:

i most likely do but i thought i would wipe my most recent recordings restoring it

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oobe:

i have a sql bakup running in cron.daily

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GreyFoxx:

Oh you want to reinstall the entire DB, I assumed you meant just mythvideo stuff

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oobe:

no i do want just the video stuff

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oobe:

i dont know how or exactly what to extract

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GreyFoxx:

then just restore the video* tables. It wont touch the recordings :)

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oobe:

nice could you tell me how

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GreyFoxx:

Find your backup, copy it to a new file

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oobe:

i found it

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GreyFoxx:

edit the new file and manually remove anything not related to those tables ;)

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GreyFoxx:

or import the entire thing into a seperate database

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GreyFoxx:

and then dump out just the video* tables

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oobe:

oh ok

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GreyFoxx:

It's not a trivial process if you have never done anything like it before

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GreyFoxx:

if you are very family with mysql it's simple

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GreyFoxx:

familiar

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oobe:

no im not that familiar but i understand the concept and can backup before i try

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oobe:

im comfortable with backing and and restoring but dont mess with the db manually

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oobe:

do you know of key words to find the mythvideo tables i want to extract

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oobe:

GreyFoxx, did you look at that pastebin i made

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oobe:

http://pastebin.ca/1573944

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oobe:

maybe i will start from scratch one day soon with just my recordings dumped to an sql backup

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oobe:

then start from scratch

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oobe:

turned out to be really simple i ran trunk/mythtv/contrib/maintenance/optimize_mythdb.pl and that fixed everything

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sid3windr:

no no no that can't be!

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sid3windr:

you need to run mysqlrepair and not some mythical perl script!

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sid3windr:

sorry, couldn't resist :]

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mzb:

you don't mean mythf**database? ;)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, read the scrollback, just telling you since jya is not here-- His issue is that he has the "host" value set for those records in videometadata, which is the key to mythvideo considering the item to be in an SG

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iamlindoro:

and the only way to end up w/ a value for host is a) to scan with a video SG defined, or b) to manually hack the DB (or use a script that does)

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oobe:

SG?

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sid3windr:

storage group

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oobe:

ok i think i see whats wrong some of banner art are html files renamed

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oobe:

i dont think it was a db issue at all

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oobe:

i just switched to gallery view and could see more art than in listing after i ran the optimize script

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iamlindoro:

If you have HTML redirects, you downloaded them with a much older version of MythVideo, or with Jamu, which can not presently account for them

[14:26:05]

iamlindoro:

Jamu will not create the HTML files after today, and MythVideo has not for a long time

[14:26:34]

iamlindoro:

the reason you saw more is because in a different view, the artwork has different attributes and thus is re-cached into new filenames

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iamlindoro:

therefor files that weren't "stuck" in a cached, bad state showed up

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oobe:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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oobe:

i never had any db probs after all

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oobe:

im using a mythbuntu devel repo which gets updated daily?

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oobe:

mythvideo_0.22.0~trunk21965–0ubuntu0~mythbuntu1_i386.deb

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oobe:

thats only 4 revisions of the newest

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oobe:

im using the newest version of jamu but i have so many videos that is seems to take hours to do all my collection

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crankharder:

any suggestions for playing the ASX streams from mythweb on OSX?

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oobe:

when i only want to update just a few video AFAIK i cant specify a specific dir with jamu is thi the case

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iamlindoro:

oobe, correct, that's not what jamu is for--- if you want to do a few videos you should be using the UI

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iamlindoro:

Jamu is meant to batch update your library-- Single/few updates are meant to be through the UI

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oobe:

ok thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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oobe:

is there a script that will scan for newly added video's in mythvideo

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oobe:

or do i need to use the UI only to do that

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iamlindoro:

ui

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oobe:

somtimes the UI will take ages to add changes after a scan and if i rescan somtimes it will add doubles of each video

[14:38:14]

hondo:

With a recent install of Mythbuntu, the only Weather Screen Setup options I am offered is "Severe Setup"

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hondo:

"Severe Weather"

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hondo:

no "Current Conditions," "Six Day," "Three Day," etc.

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oobe:

before i upgrade to trunk most of my local weather scripts were broken

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oobe:

are you using 21 fixes

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iamlindoro:

oobe, You are not following commits/bugs, and appear not to have read the mythvideo transition guide

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iamlindoro:

It's really frustrating when people want support for prerelease code and don't at least follow that stuff

[14:43:00]

iamlindoro:

As there's an open bug for that, and a warning in the transition guide

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iamlindoro:

anyway, off to work...

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oobe:

i read that just mentioned it is all

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oobe:

thanks for you time iamlindoro

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hondo:

oobe, Nope I just downloaded Jaunty and installed. Jaunty isn't development is it?

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oobe:

no

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oobe:

a lot of the older xml grabbers dont work cause the sources change

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oobe:

where are you from

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oobe:

like what city

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hondo:

Atlanta, GA

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hondo:

I'm prepping for an MythtTV InstallFest and am installing KnoppMyth, Buntu, Dora just to see what challenges they offer.

[14:49:58]

hondo:

Seems like Myth Weather has worked well in the past

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hondo:

*recent past

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hondo:

four/five days

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hondo:

GTG

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matt23:

ack, the fix for svn mythvideo broke something else heh

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matt23:

isn't that always the way?

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_ben:

heh

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_ben:

what did it fix?

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matt23:

was supposed to fix a doubled line in the dbschema update..or i should say doubled table.. http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7053

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matt23:

dbcheck.cpp: In function bool<unnamed>::DoVideoDatabaseSchemaUpgrade():

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matt23:

dbcheck.cpp:668: error: no matching function for call to

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matt23:

rats

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matt23:

welps no worries i can wait a few days for a fix fix

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matt23:

either that or take the plunge and recompile the mythtv core heh

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** J-e-f-f-A would never run 'weekly builds' of an in-flight project... **

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matt23:

nopers but i haven't even had mythvideo working yet

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matt23:

with the new box i built i decided to forego .21 and hope for the best on .22 heh

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matt23:

it'll be a bumpy ride

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J-e-f-f-A:

matt23: 0.22 will be fine – once it's actually 0.22 and not 'Trunk Development'... you've got a couple of weeks left until 0.22 is released.

[15:35:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

matt23: what you're actually running would be considered "Alpha 0.22"...

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wagnerrp:

well the hope was for 'before october', but it looks like it will run a week or two in

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matt23:

no worries since i'm playing 0 (except in emotional tolls) for all of it :)

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matt23:

er paying !

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: i would correct you and say 'no, its just trunk'.... but with a feature freeze in effect, its really in beta, if unofficially

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Josh_Borke:

hm, think 0.22 will be released in time for the mythtv installfest at freesideatl?

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wagnerrp:

Josh_Borke: date?

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Josh_Borke:

oct 10

[15:38:08]

wagnerrp:

maybe

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matt23:

i think it should definitely coordinate with Oktoberfest

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Josh_Borke:

i might try upgrading my system there

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wagnerrp:

beer and mythtv!

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: That's probably fair... ;-) I was thinking more of "Alpha" as I think of "Beta" as more of a "very few known issues" type of state, wheras trunk still has alot of changes going on, and alot of known 'still need to change/update/fix' things...

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matt23:

or more importantly ROKtobertfest!

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matt23:

Or Omega, which is so Alpha, it wrapped around to the back

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** J-e-f-f-A wishes there was a LinuxFest nearby... (Boston area) – maybe there is, and he's just not aware of it? ;-) **

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wagnerrp:

alpha is generally considered incomplete code, in progress to a specific version number (which is technically incorrect because trunk is just trunk until it gets branched for release)

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_abbenormal:

goggle it id say there should be user group there

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wagnerrp:

beta is generally considered complete, if perhaps very buggy

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wagnerrp:

google sitting for years in beta, while they continually add features, shouldnt happen

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Josh_Borke:

you mean their search isn't one of the things they released?

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matt23:

google..golden rule...he who has the gold....etc

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wagnerrp:

Josh_Borke: until very recently, their search was about the only thing that WASNT called beta

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wagnerrp:

seems seagate is the first fact with a SATA3 drive

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matt23:

will it finally be more scsi-like..not so i/o bound

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J-e-f-f-A:

_abbenormal: There's one in Ohio this weekend... 750 miles away from me... (I don't think I'll be going!)

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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wagnerrp:

matt23: unless youre using splitters, its hard to peak out on SATA1

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matt23:

oh wrt to myth?

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wagnerrp:

no, WRT drives just arent that fast

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matt23:

nah i just mean in general multiple parallel writes and scsi has no prob

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matt23:

i don't mean total thruput per se

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matt23:

i said thru

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matt23:

ok recompiled..reinstalled..lessee what happens

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wagnerrp:

that was a function of TCQ, which allowed the controller to reorder i/o to be closer to linear

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wagnerrp:

SATA has the same feature in the form of NCQ

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wagnerrp:

and in the case of mythtv, you have several parallel linear streams of data

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wagnerrp:

and it is no issue for the kernel to cache each of those in memory

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wagnerrp:

and burn through them at full sequential write speed onto the hard drive

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matt23:

si i'm all about the cache

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** matt23 hugs his zfs **

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J-e-f-f-A:

_abbenormal: There's also one in Toronto, Canada on October 24th... 530 miles. ;-) But I wouldn't be able to take my son unless we got him a passport... ;-)

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** wagnerrp prods his zfs **

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matt23:

no need, it runs itself ;)

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wagnerrp:

its not too happy with only 2GB of memory

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matt23:

hm it shouldn't be hogging memory from other resources

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_abbenormal:

wont make that one there slow on them passport

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wagnerrp:

zfs wants vast amounts of memory

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J-e-f-f-A:

_abbenormal: Actually, I got mine in 3 weeks. ;-)

[15:56:46]

_abbenormal:

id think there would me some in ny or dc

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wagnerrp:

ive got a good third of it reserved for kernel cache that zfs can use

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_abbenormal:

but hard to tell

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matt23:

you can actually set limits on it if you want

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matt23:

er wait is that a solaris box you're on?

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wagnerrp:

and i still have to reboot once every month or so, as zfs burns through that and performance goes to crap

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** _ben has 8GB ram in this zfs box **

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matt23:

heh it's fun to do a dd from the optical drive to a zfs filesystem and just watch it vacuum the entire drive in to ram

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matt23:

er fun...if you're into that sort of thing

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wagnerrp:

not sure why it would, considering a single disk is far faster than an optical drive

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J-e-f-f-A:

_abbenormal: DC is ~12 hrs away... NYC would be an option – only 4–1/2 hrs away... ;-)

[16:01:18]

matt23:

well just watching the cache and flush ..you can tune that too

[16:01:27]

matt23:

wagnerrp is your zfs on a solaris box?

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_abbenormal:

get ahold of your local lug and see what there going to

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_abbenormal:

there stuff on md ny and dc

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wagnerrp:

matt23: no, bsd

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matt23:

oh ok i've only used it on solaris..that's a definite bug if it's not properly allocating its cache mem footprint

[16:03:19]

matt23:

maybe there's a patch?

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_abbenormal:

looks to me like you have a few in your area that are active

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wagnerrp:

im on 7.2-release, which uses a much older version than 7-stable and 8.0-beta

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wagnerrp:

apparently support is much better in upcoming versions

[16:04:25]

wagnerrp:

8.0 should be out in a couple weeks

[16:04:28]

_ben:

8.0 isn't beta anymore :P

[16:04:33]

J-e-f-f-A:

_abbenormal: yeah, just found the Boston Linux & Unix lug... they meet on Wednesdays...

[16:04:33]

matt23:

come to the dark side, wagnerrp, solaris!

[16:04:38]

wagnerrp:

ok... release candidate

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wagnerrp:

_ben: theyre not in RC yet are they? last release i saw was B4

[16:06:18]

_ben:

Yeah, RC1 is out

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matt23:

ok i guess i should get my ass to Mars

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matt23:

er i mean work

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wagnerrp:

open your mind to me....

[16:11:48]

matt23:

heh

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matt23:

2009-09–21 09:12:27.558 Current MythVideo Schema Version (mythvideo.DBSchemaVer): 1011

[16:12:37]

matt23:

here we go

[16:12:43]

matt23:

2009-09–21 09:12:33.984 Database Backup complete.

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wagnerrp:

seems its supposed to be out by the end of the month

[16:13:41]

wagnerrp:

RC1 was supposed to be out last week, 2 today, but i see no official mention of either

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_ben:

wagnerrp: http://svn.freebsd.org/viewvc/base/stable/8/s . . . mp;r2=197281

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matt23:

mehhh.. no videos found

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wagnerrp:

apparently one of the main highways south of me is completely closed

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wagnerrp:

overturned cattle carrier

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matt23:

eww

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matt23:

well on that note, i'll finally go to work

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matt23:

mythvideo seems to be working..odd directory setup..work on it later

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wagnerrp:

so with long time soaps dying out, you think we have any chance of them moving reality tv to daytime, and out of primetime?

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iamlindoro:

Heh... think they make too much money on them at primetime

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wagnerrp:

oh, so well just get new reality tv and talk shows during the day

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wagnerrp:

i never watched soaps, but at least they made no lies about them not being over-acted

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** tmkt has never been this anxious to upgrade to the next buntu release **

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Josh_Borke:

tmkt: what is so special about it?

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wagnerrp:

fresh new version of ubuntu, fresh new version of mythtv

[17:29:08]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: have you noticed any increase in backend crashes from 21822 till HEAD?

[17:29:31]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: TBH, no, I haven't had a BE crash in a really long time-- why?

[17:29:51]

wagnerrp:

yeah, ive increased from zero to... zero

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

Thumbnail generation has caused crashes now with a pile of h264 decode errors

[17:30:54]

kormoc:

but they'll playback fine

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iamlindoro:

hmm, that shouldn't even be able to crash the BE, right? Isn't that why we spawn off the separate process?

[17:31:24]

kormoc:

Yeah, afaik, but it seems to be the cause

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wagnerrp:

Udo's backend has been crashing

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kormoc:

(also amusingly my h264 container from the hdpvr is reporting 120 fps while the video stream is only 24 fps)

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** iamlindoro wonders WHY he allows Heroes to continue recording **

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iamlindoro:

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me four seasons, shame on...

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kormoc:

that bad eh?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it has lost all direction

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messerting:

Hi – I've got an userjob that is sending an email to me on certain recording. I pass the %DESCRIPTION% field to the command line like this: --description "%DESCRIPTION"

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iamlindoro:

Heh, well they've got Bryan Fuller back so I'm hoping this story arc might actually be okay, but I'm really only giving it a few episodes to find out

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messerting:

but it fails whenever the description includes quotes

[17:42:14]

messerting:

is there a way to work around this?

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iamlindoro:

put decription in single quotes

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wagnerrp:

dont pass the description

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messerting:

well, single quotes will fail at single quotes

[17:42:50]

messerting:

sure

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wagnerrp:

put the jobid, or chanid and starttime

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iamlindoro:

sed the command line to parse them out

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wagnerrp:

use that to index the recording in the database, and pull your information from there

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messerting:

yes – sed will work, thanks

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iamlindoro:

While facing the unexpected consequences of his heroic acts, Peter meets a reluctant new hero (Deanne Bray)

[17:45:36]

iamlindoro:

Oh great... more reluctant new heroes

[17:45:59]

iamlindoro:

Sure hope there's three of them that were cloned in a lab and can be introduced over three successive seasons

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wagnerrp:

and shes deaf... i wonder if theyre going to have her sign everything with subtitles

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wagnerrp:

deaf people cant do tv, americans dont like subtitles

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notlistening:

Hi any mythbuntu users having cd drive open/close issues?

[17:56:32]

Dagmar:

Try in #MythBuntu

[17:58:29]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: I am noticing in the detail screen for an upcoming recording in mythweb, that most of the metadata (length, cast, etc) seems to be missing ATM

[17:58:50]

iamlindoro:

Do you see that on your end/

[17:58:55]

kormoc:

hrm...

[17:58:59]

iamlindoro:

?

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iamlindoro:

sorry, last "?" wasn't meant to be insistent, was meant to be me correcting myself :)

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notlistening:

I will wait patiently ;)

[17:59:54]

Josh_Borke:

J-e-f-f-A: why didn't you go to FUDCon 2008 in Boston?

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iamlindoro:

detail screen for existing recordings seems to work properly

[18:00:37]

Josh_Borke:

or FUDCon 2009?

[18:00:59]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: why yes, I do see it too

[18:01:13]

Captain_Murdoch:

wagnerrp, only if they can talk: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0559144/

[18:02:09]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch: But then, only if hot ;)

[18:02:15]

Captain_Murdoch:

:)

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iamlindoro:

It *is* still TV after all

[18:02:51]

Captain_Murdoch:

and bonus points for being on My Name Is Earl.

[18:02:58]

kormoc:

cutie++

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notlistening:

some programs are broadcast with multiple sound streams specifically one for the visually impaired, is it possible to capture all of them?

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crankharder:

how do I make a program never record "later" ?

[18:05:21]

iamlindoro:

If you are recording a digital channel, you capture all the sound streams by default

[18:05:22]

Dagmar:

Disable it

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notlistening:

yeah it is but i have two streams when i access it thorugh vlx but the second gives me nothing

[18:06:18]

kormoc:

crankharder: by clicking never record in mythweb?

[18:06:23]

iamlindoro:

That's a player issue, not a recording issue

[18:06:39]

iamlindoro:

(presumably you mean VLC)

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notlistening:

oh okay so your saying it should be there

[18:06:45]

crankharder:

no — I want it to record the first time it's aired, not on a rerun

[18:06:58]

iamlindoro:

crankharder: Then set your rule to only record new showings

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notlistening:

*vlc

[18:07:09]

iamlindoro:

(also easiest in mythweb IMHO)

[18:07:39]

iamlindoro:

Filter: Exclude Repeat Episodes

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crankharder:

i dont want that either, maybe there's not an option for this?

[18:08:24]

kormoc:

crankharder: or you're not explaining what you want very well...

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iamlindoro:

The above option is exactly what you asked for...

[18:08:41]

iamlindoro:

so.. yeah ^^

[18:09:12]

kormoc:

crankharder: sounds like you want more, 'Recording in this timeslot on this channel' + filter repeat episodes + filter generic

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iamlindoro:

And if sphery were around he would explain why such rules are a tremendously awful idea ;)

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crankharder:

I'm sketched out about the "in this timeslot

[18:10:02]

crankharder:

"option because i dont follow when/if networks change stuff

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kormoc:

What are you attempting to do?

[18:10:25]

crankharder:

the issue is that House premieres tonght, but despite it having my highest priority, it's set to record "later" on oct 1st

[18:10:53]

kormoc:

and you clicked 'Record this' in the upcoming recordings page?

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crankharder:

i

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crankharder:

in mythweb I coudl click ACtivate — but i'd have to keep track of all my programs that way

[18:11:24]

kormoc:

you could also disable the 'reschedule higher priority' option

[18:11:31]

crankharder:

what happens next week when fooprogram premieres and i have the same issue?

[18:11:35]

Dagmar:

So what else did you schedule to record around that time

[18:11:54]

kormoc:

crankharder: so disable the option that you enabled that reschedules higher priority recordings?

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crankharder:

I'd think that if there was a choice between two of the same-named show that are unrecorded, the first one would have priority

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kormoc:

crankharder: not when said option is set, as it prefers number of recordings over instant gratification

[18:13:10]

kormoc:

crankharder: you could listen to me and go toggle the option, restart the backend and live a happy life, or you can keep arguing about it...

[18:13:13]

crankharder:

...reschedules higher priority recordings, hmm, but House is m highest priority

[18:13:29]

kormoc:

right, it reschedules them later to get more recordings in

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crankharder:

I dont follow that logic, why would it defer the recording of the premiere tonight?

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kormoc:

if you have a show a and b now and a tomorrow, and a is higher then b, it'll schedule b now and a later so you get both rather then only a

[18:14:13]

crankharder:

i see

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Josh_Borke:

you really aren't smarter than the scheduler ;-P

[18:14:37]

Captain_Murdoch:

just more impatient

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crankharder:

Oct1st is a week away :p

[18:17:27]

crankharder:

so where is this option that reschedules higher priority recordings? is it in mythweb?

[18:17:38]

kormoc:

as I said up there, it's in mythtv-setup

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crankharder:

cool, thanx :) sorry to be argumentative

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crankharder:

dunno if anyone in here worked on the ubuntu packages, but I just rebuilt my server and everything was ridiculously easy to install :)

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okolsi:

should Graphite show fanart/coverart for recordings?

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kormoc:

If it's available, it will

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okolsi:

managed to download some with Jamu, but can't see a thing..

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iamlindoro:

s/available/available and locally mounted/

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okolsi:

where the info is in DB? I could check that it's correct there..

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kormoc:

there is none in the db

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okolsi:

a-ha..

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okolsi:

it's the locally mounted part.. I'd have to re-configure some NFS mounts that I already disabled

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iamlindoro:

needs to be locally mounted in the directory set in the frontend (Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->General)

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okolsi:

iamlindoro: thanks.. I wondered what those are for anymore since we got storage groups

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iamlindoro:

Storage Groups are a technology preview only

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iamlindoro:

anyone using them in mythvideo should be aware of the (several) limitations

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iamlindoro:

But since you're using trunk, of course you know the limitations from reading the commit logs ;)

[18:47:13]

okolsi:

yeah :)

[18:51:37]

wagnerrp:

hmm... somehow i managed 15 mod points on slashdot

[18:51:45]

wagnerrp:

ive only ever seen batches of 5 before

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kormoc:

they're increased it lately

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kormoc:

*ve

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wagnerrp:

figure with 15, people are more likely to use them than save them as with only 5?

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kormoc:

just less people eligible to mod, and more trolls then ever

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messerting:

So, I couple of years back, I made a native archive (to file system) in mytharchive, but I don't remember what I named it, where I stored it, or if I made an iso... Any suggestions on how to find it on my discs..?

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wagnerrp:

'find' any files over a couple hundred mb?

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crankharder:

say I wanted to record all m"

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crankharder:

man i can't type :/

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messerting:

yes, trying to figure find now :)

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crankharder:

say I watned to record all "movies" on a given channel, think that can be done?

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kormoc:

crankharder: yes, via the power search custom schedule

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kormoc:

crankharder: hope you know SQL

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J-e-f-f-A:

messerting: he was telling you to use the 'find' command...

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messerting:

J-e-f-f-A: yes, I was not very precise in my reply. I meant to say that I am trying to figure out the 'find' command now ;)

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crankharder:

so what might be a good way of identifying "movies" off of the program table?

[19:08:47]

crankharder:

actually category_type looks like it'll work

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messerting:

something like: where category_type='movie'

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messerting:

er, yep

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HenryHayes:

hio

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crankharder:

badass, program.chanid = 1081 AND program.category_type = "movie" worked like a charm

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HenryHayes:

found something wierd... i cant get root password to save between reboots...

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J-e-f-f-A:

messerting: this works for me to find files in the /mythtv directory that are > 10MB in size and > 1 year old: find /mythtv -size +10M -mtime +365

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wescore:

hi there i have a terratec dvb-c capture card and it is not listed in mythtv

[19:25:21]

HenryHayes:

is it listed in the supported hardware list?

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iamlindoro:

We don't support hardware

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J-e-f-f-A:

on linuxtv.org that is...

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iamlindoro:

^^ exactly

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wescore:

yep its supported

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wescore:

its a cinergy pci dvb-c

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wescore:

but why cant i find it in the list for capture cards

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Greek-Boy:

my LG plasma 50" reports an edid of "1360x768". This is the native resolution of the HDTV but it is supposed to accept 1080p input. Will it benefit me to use xrandr to output at 1920x1080 virtual resolution?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wescore: Are you looking in the DVB capture cards? It should appear as /dev/dvb/adapter_

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wagnerrp:

no

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greek-Boy: I would probably run it at the native 1380x768 resolution so the osd and graphics are crisp instead of scaled down by the TV.

[19:38:08]

wagnerrp:

no sense upscaling everything only to downscale it again

[19:38:25]

wagnerrp:

and what J-e-f-f-A said about the OSD

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Greek-Boy:

hmmm

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Greek-Boy:

so in that case I won't be watching in true HD mode?

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greek-Boy: You wouldn't be watching in 'true pixel-perfect HD mode' anyways, as your tv is not a Native HD resolution.

[19:40:08]

wagnerrp:

very few TVs can actually play in 'pixel-perfect HD mode'

[19:40:17]

wagnerrp:

most 1080p TVs still overscan

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wagnerrp:

and only a few have an option to turn overscan off

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Greek-Boy:

mine turns overscan off when u select 16:9 aspect ratio

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wagnerrp:

no, it does not

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wagnerrp:

it cannot, because it runs at a non-standard resolution

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt even run 16:9 natively

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Greek-Boy:

actually it should

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Greek-Boy:

with my windows laptop HDMI output runs perfect

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Greek-Boy:

but in linux it gets only the 1360x768 edid

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Greek-Boy:

:(

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wagnerrp:

runs perfect what?

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Greek-Boy:

the laptop runs a 1080p resolution perfectly

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Greek-Boy:

it detects that resolutio as optimal

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wagnerrp:

no, it outputs 1080p, and gets scaled down to the native resolution by the tv

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iamlindoro:

1080p is *not* optimal on a display that is only 1366x768 native

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wagnerrp:

and in the process gets clipped a bit

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iamlindoro:

1366x768 is

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wagnerrp:

most 720p TVs will not accept a 1080p signal

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wagnerrp:

hell, older 1080p TVs wont even accept a 1080p signal

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Greek-Boy:

but this is a 1080p tv

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Greek-Boy:

it says on the TV, HD-Ready 1080p input

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greek-Boy: Not physically...

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wagnerrp:

you said it had a native 1360x768 resolution

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iamlindoro:

Accepting 1080p in does NOT make it a 1080p TV

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Hoxzer:

Does anybody here have experiences with: Scythe Ninja II or any other passive CPU cooling systems

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J-e-f-f-A:

Greek-Boy: It ACCEPTS a 1080p signal, then scales it down to 1360x768

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wagnerrp:

so how can you come back and say it is a 1080p tv?

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Dagmar:

'cuz the nice salesman promised

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wagnerrp:

Hoxzer: passive cooling and mythtv do not mix

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Dagmar:

...and salesmen _never_ lie.

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Hoxzer:

wagnerrp: oh yeah. I think they do.

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Hoxzer:

Can't see why not. Running mythtv without live TV

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Greek-Boy:

i see

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Greek-Boy:

so why did they bother making HD ready

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Greek-Boy:

i dont get it

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wagnerrp:

you cannot run that heatsink on a processor that will get by with passive cooling

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Dagmar:

Hoxzer: MythTV involves a number of _very_ CPU-intensive tasks

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Greek-Boy:

if its never going to ouput HD

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Dagmar:

Good luck with that and passive cooling.

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Greek-Boy:

true HD

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Hoxzer:

Dagmar: Dude.

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iamlindoro:

720p is still true HD

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iamlindoro:

it's just not *sic* "full HD"

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wescore:

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Hoxzer:

Dagmar: As I said. I need passive for recording not commflags

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Dagmar:

Have fun writing the code to restrict commflagging jobs to specific backends

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Dagmar:

wescore: yes

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Hoxzer:

Dagmar: Eh?

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wescore:

ok

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: that already exists, you just disable it for that backend in mythtv-setup

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Greek-Boy:

the way i see it, if a screen displays HD ready 1080p it is supposed to have that as a native resolution. yet mine isn't..

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wescore:

why is that

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Greek-Boy:

does this mean that LG has broken the HD rules?

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Dagmar:

wescore: because it's not windows and occasionally you have to TYPE things

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wagnerrp:

Hoxzer: unless you intend to extremely undervolt and underclock your processor, you cannot run that heatsink on a chip that outputs little enough heat to run fanless

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messerting:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks for the 'find' command, I think I've buried the archive in a mondo-rescue .iso file or something...

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Dagmar:

Greek-Boy: It means your sales people lied

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wagnerrp:

and running that heatink fanless in a case that puts an exhaust fan right next to the heatsink does not count as fanless

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Hoxzer:

Dagmar: well. I'm thinking of doing it by following method. Use a passive cooling and set bios to turn CPU fans to 0%. then use fancontrol. Set mythcommflags to run only when manual startup occured

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iamlindoro:

It means you didn't do your research

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messerting:

wescore: I've got a Terratec Cinergy C DVB-C PCI card, and use it with mythtv

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Dagmar:

Hoxzer: Enjoy buying new CPUs then

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Greek-Boy:

i think i realized something

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Greek-Boy:

they didn't brake the rules

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Dagmar:

Either thermal throttling will kick in and you'll wonder aloud why the thing is SOOOOO slow, or the CPU will probably burn up

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Greek-Boy:

what they did is put HD Ready and 1080p seperately

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wagnerrp:

Hoxzer: that said, putting a 120mm 1500rpm fan in there will result in 'silent' cooling, if not fanless

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Greek-Boy:

clever bastards

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Greek-Boy:

:-(

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Dagmar:

Greek-Boy: because technically anything with 720 scan lines is HD

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wagnerrp:

do you have some weird distain for fans?

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wagnerrp:

are you against the entire concept of forced airflow?

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wescore:

messerting did you find it in the capture cards area

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Hoxzer:

wagnerrp: I definitely need noisless(HDD doesn't count) system as I sleep in the same room as my backend

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messerting:

yes, after loading the 'mantis' driver

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Greek-Boy:

one day i'll buy myself a SAMSUNG 100 incher plasma TV and i'll make sure that baby is true HD 1080p

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Greek-Boy:

by that time it might be able to do 4xHD

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Greek-Boy:

imax resolution

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Greek-Boy:

:-)

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wagnerrp:

Hoxzer: so get a nice noise dampening case, some big slow fans, and be done with it

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: what is 'HD' such that there can be a '4x'?

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Dagmar:

Antec makes some pretty awesome noise-reducing cases

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Hoxzer:

wagnerrp: dude.

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Hoxzer:

I'm sick of "this is quite"

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sid3windr:

this is quite quiet.

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Hoxzer:

in fact I sometimes get annoyed because of freezer turning fans on

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** laga calls the whambulance *again* **

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wagnerrp:

Hoxzer: if you absolutely require fanless, you have a couple options

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sid3windr:

I think you just need to listen to music very loudly for a couple of weeks, Hoxzer

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wagnerrp:

1. turn the computer off (no recordings)

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Dagmar:

Hoxzer: Sorry, MOVING PARTS ARE NOT FOR YOU THEN

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Dagmar:

Spend a fortune on SSD drives and leave us the hell alone

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wagnerrp:

2. stick the computer in another room (who cares how loud it is)

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Dagmar:

Your inability to cope with your fridge kicking on isn't OUR problem to solve

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wagnerrp:

3. get a POS fanless VIA system, and USB tuners

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: its called quad HD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_video

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Greek-Boy:

3840x2160

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wagnerrp:

4. get a case designed to run a fanless system, such as the TNN-500A

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messerting:

wescore: I used the mantis module from the s2-liplianin repository. But I think that repo also contains stuff that is not allowed to talk about in this forum

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: HD is not defined as any specific resolution, for there to be quad of anything

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Hoxzer:

wagnerrp: yeah, the case is propably one solution :\ Sucks though to waste completely useful old case

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: i am not talking about the definition of HD

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wagnerrp:

Greek-Boy: IMAX screens run at a MUCH MUCH higher effective resolution than 2160p

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Greek-Boy:

wagnerrp: i talking about quad HD

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sid3windr:

I had a quad hd monitor in

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sid3windr:

kicks ass =)

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wescore:

ohhhhhh kay

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Dagmar:

There is no definition for that that I'm aware of

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sid3windr:

pity it took an 1800 eur quadro to drive it

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Dagmar:

Since there's no baseline "unit" of HD, there's no unit which can be multiplied by four

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sid3windr:

well yeah

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sid3windr:

they mean 1920x1080

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

could call it quad link dvi

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Hoxzer:

Just read that one guy ran E6600 with syche ninja. However he propably has other fans in his case

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sid3windr:

+- ;)

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Dagmar:

I've read about someone who used an oil cooler from a Cessna to cool his CPU

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wagnerrp:

Hoxzer: I could run my heatsink 'fanless' if i so desired

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Dagmar:

It ran for short periods before shorting everything out and destroying the computer.

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Hoxzer:

wagnerrp: Of course

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Dagmar:

This doesn't mean he's not an idiot.

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wagnerrp:

i have a P182, and the heatsink is positioned at the top rear corner of my case

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wagnerrp:

so i could reverse my rear exhaust fan

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wagnerrp:

and have it pump air across my CPU, and out the top exhaust fan

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: That's generally what you want happening anyway isn't it?

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wagnerrp:

there would be no fan attached to my heasink, but i couldnt in good conscience claim i had a fanless CPU

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Dagmar:

Air fresh from outside going straight to teh CPU then out through the PSU exhaust fan

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Dagmar:

Oh nevermind

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sid3windr:

my cpu does not have a fan!

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: nah, i have plenty of fresh air coming from the front of the case (no hard drives in the way)

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Greek-Boy:

i'm getting INTEL Core i7–975 Extreme Quad-Core 3.33GHz CPU

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Hoxzer:

wagnerrp: One solution would be use fansless water cooling but then the pump would make noise

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wagnerrp:

but the air under the desk behind the case is all very hot

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Greek-Boy:

will use ASUS Triton 88 Thermal Solution

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** J-e-f-f-A 's fan has a big heatsink and fan, and his case has a combined total of 7 fans. ;-) **

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Hoxzer:

Well.

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Josh_Borke:

J-e-f-f-A: wow, must be some f an to have its own heatsink and fan

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Hoxzer:

I definitely need an solution as for record only :/

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Hoxzer:

wHen I'm not sleeping it is alright if fans are running

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wagnerrp:

Hoxzer: unless you want to run a low power Atom or Via system (or undervolt/clock a desktop processor), you need a ridiculously large heatsink to run a watercooling system fanless

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Hoxzer:

So something like run fanless for 2 hours would be enough

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J-e-f-f-A:

Josh_Borke: yeah, I noticed my typo righ after I hit 'enter' and though I'd see if anyone else caught it... ;-)

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Greek-Boy:

my hdtv also says corresponding 150hz, i wonder what that means?

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Hoxzer:

wagnerrp: :P Heh, you haven't read about it ?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Hoxzer: maybe you could wear earplugs while sleeping? ;-)

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Hoxzer:

wagnerrp: Actually one of those systems have huge tower to exhaust the heat

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Hoxzer:

outside the case

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wagnerrp:

yes, i have seen things like the reservator, a ridiculously large tower heatsink

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iamlindoro:

haha

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iamlindoro:

we have five at work

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Hoxzer:

http://www.quietpc.com/files/images/products/reserator1v2.jpg

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iamlindoro:

They are soooooo finicky

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Josh_Borke:

Hoxzer: use a fishtank as your resevoir/pump

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iamlindoro:

The quality of the pump in them is very very poor, so they like to just spontaneously stop and take the PC down with them

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AndyCap:

Josh_Borke: so you can cook dinner while watching HD?

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Josh_Borke:

you cook iny our fishtanks? o.O

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wagnerrp:

i have also seen systems that use a large open tank as the reservoir, so you can use evaporative cooling

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wagnerrp:

of course we all seem to be missing the most logical solution... MOVE THE COMPUTER OUT OF YOUR ROOM

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wagnerrp:

put it in a closet, put it in your basement, put it somewhere else

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iamlindoro:

I didn't miss that, my MBE lives in a closet :)

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Josh_Borke:

my mbe is behind my tv...

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Josh_Borke:

mainly because i'm too cheap to buy a frontend

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wagnerrp:

if you cant sleep because something is making too much noise, learn to cope, or get rid of it

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iamlindoro:

It can live in a closet and still be a FE :)

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iamlindoro:

Just have to run cables through the wall and terminate in nice wall plates

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iamlindoro:

it's much sexy :)

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Josh_Borke:

my closet closet is 25ft from the TV, and i cannot put holes in the wall

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Hoxzer:

wagnerrp: dude. I don't have that other room

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Josh_Borke:

Hoxzer: store the pc in a padded box

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wagnerrp:

dorm room?

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Hoxzer:

Josh_Borke: The heat might be the problem still

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Josh_Borke:

don't seal the box

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AndyCap:

at least this one doesn't have a pump. :P http://www.devhardware.com/c/a/Computer-Cases . . . Case-Review/

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Hoxzer:

Josh_Borke: then it would also let the noise out

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wagnerrp:

Hoxzer: no.. its a concept called a 'baffle'

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: ooh, magic. :P

[20:05:43]

Hoxzer:

AndyCap: :/ yep.

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AndyCap:

Hoxzer: uh. no

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Hoxzer:

AndyCap: I have thought about that but it is expensive

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Dagmar:

I hope he has a lot of money because he's going to need it to compensate for the lack of sense and inability to learn

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Josh_Borke:

Hoxzer: there are lots of solutions for silent pcs

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wagnerrp:

Hoxzer: aside from some very expensive and/or absurd solutions, you are not going to get a PC to run fanless

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J-e-f-f-A:

AndyCap: Ooh, and it's only $1300! ;-)

[20:07:24]

AndyCap:

J-e-f-f-A: oh, it's gone down? I must buy one!

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AndyCap:

:P

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wagnerrp:

put up with the noise, move the pc elsewhere, or have an embedded system (Atom, Via, laptop) do your recording

[20:07:46]

AndyCap:

Or I could stick with my current ikea frontend with stock intel cooling.

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Dagmar:

Or put in an aquarium filled with mineral oil and submerse the thing

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: eew. what a mess

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Dagmar:

Of course, liquid pumps make a hell of a lot more noise than a 120mm fan running at low RPMs

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: you still run into the issue of having enough surface area to dissipate the heat

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Dagmar:

Ah yes but it's still fanless tho isn't it!

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Dagmar:

....and that's the point.

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AndyCap:

large enough oilqarium should do it.

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wagnerrp:

see mention of 'absurd solutions' above

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Dagmar:

For it to run fanless even if it's such a stupid thing to obsess over that it'll handicap one's future offspring.

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: are you sure you got the cause and effect sorted?

[20:09:39]

Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure that if you willfully do something stupid enough that it will permanently make you dumber.

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Dagmar:

It might even make innocent passersby stupider by side effect in a aort of negative intelligence field.

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AndyCap:

This is off course the ultimate in decadent liquid cooling. http://www.spikynorman.dsl.pipex.com/CrayWWWS . . . 2cascade.jpg

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Dagmar:

Using an oil cooler to chill a CPU is one such sort of thing

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Hoxzer:

O_o

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: you mean those big towers on the CRAYs were just water cascades? not actual hardware?

[20:12:00]

AndyCap:

wagnerrp: far more expensive than water.

[20:12:04]

AndyCap:

http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/tech/cray2.jpg

[20:12:12]

wagnerrp:

ok, flourohydrates

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AndyCap:

yeah

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Dagmar:

Sure you can draw enough heat out of the CPU to make fire go out, but you can't do anything about the fact that overcooling things far below their designed spec causes condensation, frost, and short circuits.

[20:12:38]

Dagmar:

Tasty!

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Dagmar:

"Ensure all proper insurance forms have been filed before drinking from the fountain on the Cray. Thanks, Management."

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Hoxzer:

Dagmar is a little hostile I see.

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wagnerrp:

ok, so that is computer hardware in the tower, just with fluid cascading over it

[20:13:46]

wagnerrp:

not that it is a cascade/evaporative water chiller

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Dagmar:

There are too many stupid people in the world, and far too many safeguards to keep them here.

[20:14:01]

AndyCap:

If it doesn't drink it doesn't think.

[20:14:19]

AndyCap:

Dagmar: unfortunately drinking fluorinert wouldnt help getting rid of them

[20:14:48]

AndyCap:

smoking it, perhaps.

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wagnerrp:

looking at that ninja heatsink, im surprised they didnt shroud the sides

[20:16:28]

AndyCap:

Hoxzer: anyhow. perhaps spend more time on silentpcreview.com and less time on extremeoverclocking.com

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wagnerrp:

or have some sort of clip-on think to let you do it yourself

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wagnerrp:

theyre going to lose a lot of air out the top and bottom

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wagnerrp:

rendering the entire center of that heatsink relatively useless

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Hoxzer:

AndyCap: And what makes you think I would look for solution to problem like this from extremeoverclocking?

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wagnerrp:

thats the one fault i see with most heatsinks, they dont seem to be designed with the flow properties of a fan in mid

[20:19:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

Hoxzer: probably because you referenced water cooling.

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wagnerrp:

Zalman's round sinks are about the only exception

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AndyCap:

Hoxzer: sorry, I thought you were the one going on about getting the i7 extreme hyper quad core megahurtz.

[20:19:57]

AndyCap:

I see that was Greek-Boy

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wagnerrp:

no, that was Greek-Boy

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Hoxzer:

ehm..

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Greek-Boy:

huh

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Greek-Boy:

what does that CPU have to do with extremeoverclocking.com

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Greek-Boy:

?

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matt23:

ERROR when trying to delete file: myth://:/1009_20090710170000.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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matt23:

ruh roh, raggy

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matt23:

what did i fatfinger now

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matt23:

now with 1.5x the URLs!

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iamlindoro:

more like .5

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iamlindoro:

since that's a normal URL missing the storage Group name and ip address/port

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matt23:

ah si hm

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iamlindoro:

correct would be something like: myth://LiveTV@192.168.0.5:6543/1009_20090710170000.mpg

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matt23:

right right..hmm well i have done more than a couple reinstalls

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matt23:

but no hostname changes. hrm

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Greek-Boy:

mythfrontend runs fines as root user but cant connect to database as normal user?

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Greek-Boy:

weird..

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matt23:

make sure your 'normal' user has access to the hostname and localhost (127.0.0.1)

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matt23:

er as its mysql privs

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Greek-Boy:

the db is on backend

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matt23:

si, verify your mythtv user privs in mysql..if you just changed em by hand be sure to 'flush privileges;'

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matt23:

yay..a meeting. bbl :-P

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matt23:

mm Popchips i love you so

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matt23:

ok now meeting

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dserban:

this is totally a FAQ from what google tells me. Though no one seems to have a good answer. What's the best remote to use for ... "everything" ie. One that has buttons for most if not all possible options that myth gives you? I have a URC, but that thing only emulates other remotes and disables the play/pause function when you set it to a cable box etc... Wondering what people are using out there?

[20:32:28]

J-e-f-f-A:

dserban: For use *only* with MythTV, I use MCE remotes, such as the Microsoft MCE. The HP version has more buttons, but isn't backlit, but is a decent remote too. (I have 3 of them, 2 are basically spares)

[20:33:02]

dserban:

J-e-f-f-A: and these are available through retailers? (sorry I've never seen 'em)

[20:34:07]

dserban:

what's the hp's model number?

[20:35:19]

dserban:

http://cgi.ebay.com/HP-MEDIA-CENTER-REMOTE-CO . . . cmdZViewItem

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dserban:

that guy?

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justdave:

ok, so the way the menu system works in .21-fixes is all of the menu items for all of the plugins are defined in the XML file ahead of time, and they just don't show up if the corresponding plugin for that menu item isn't installed?

[20:37:38]

iamlindoro:

correct

[20:38:00]

justdave:

so there's really no way to add stuff to the menus that won't get wiped every time I pull an upgrade

[20:38:39]

justdave:

(getting weekly updates from svn, but via deb packages, so it'll overwrite stuff like that when the deb is updated)

[20:38:44]

iamlindoro:

Menu XML can live in ~/.mythtv

[20:39:05]

justdave:

ahh, so I just clone the file to that location and edit it there?

[20:39:12]

iamlindoro:

yep

[20:40:31]

justdave:

sweet, that'll work

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justdave:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

[20:41:23]

justdave:

out of curiosity, I know the theming engine got like completely rewritten in .22... is there a more dynamic way for a plugin or other things to add menus by any chance?

[20:41:47]

iamlindoro:

no, nothing has changed w/r/t the menu XML/structure/building

[20:42:15]

iamlindoro:

as the menu XML isn't really the UI/theming in question

[20:42:32]

justdave:

ah.

[20:43:48]

justdave:

I found it useful for a couple streaming websites to use Prism to create a standalone app that goes to that streaming site. Set the app to open in full-screen mode, and add a menu item to Myth with an EXEC and the command line to invoke it.

[20:44:47]

justdave:

(Hulu, for example)

[20:45:08]

iamlindoro:

If .22 you could just open MythBrowser to use Hulu

[20:45:16]

iamlindoro:

and even control it w/ the remote

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justdave:

yeah. MythBrowser in .21 doesn't do flash I think was the problem when I tried that

[20:48:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

dserban: Yeah, that's the one.

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J-e-f-f-A:

dserban: (sorry – @ work, and was away for a few mins)

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dserban:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah no worries... I'm in the same boat...

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dserban:

ok well I have an mce remote already (came packaged with the 150pvr mce). I think I'll use it. But commandir doesn't understand the codes it sends so I guess I'll have to have two ir transceivers running .. gah (and I hate lirc :P)

[20:50:11]

J-e-f-f-A:

dserban: To look for M$ MCE remotes, search for "Microsoft RC6" – that should give pretty good results and eliminate most of the 'junk' mce-compatible remotes.

[20:50:40]

dserban:

J-e-f-f-A: I have this one: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Image:MCE-Remote-2-v1069.jpg

[20:50:48]

dserban:

that's a good one right?

[20:51:16]

dserban:

well .. I don't hate lirc per-se. Just debian and the guy packaging lirc :P

[20:52:27]

Josh_Borke:

dserban: i have that exact same remote!

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dserban:

Josh_Borke: and it works fine using the included transceiver right?

[20:53:10]

Josh_Borke:

no clue. my lirc was so sluggish that i've resigned myself to using the keyboard...

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dserban:

oh?

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dserban:

odd

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Josh_Borke:

i hope to revisit itin the next few weeks

[20:53:44]

Josh_Borke:

like, press a button, wait 5 seconds for a response sluggish

[20:54:30]

Greek-Boy:

i did a grant all on mythconverg.* to mythtv@"%" identified by "mythtv";

[20:54:34]

Greek-Boy:

i flushed the privs

[20:54:44]

Greek-Boy:

but i still cant connect from the frontend to the backend

[20:54:53]

Greek-Boy:

the only way is if i run mythfrontend as root on the frontend

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Dagmar:

So what are the logs saying

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Greek-Boy:

i dont get it

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Greek-Boy:

mysql logs?

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dserban:

anyone have the wrapper script that mythbuntu has for the frontend?

[20:57:33]

wagnerrp:

copy ~root/.mythtv/config.xml to ~/.mythtv/config.xml, and try again

[20:57:42]

Dagmar:

Greek-Boy: Frontend logs

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Dagmar:

Generally since that's the bit that can't connect, it's probably saying something specific about it

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Dagmar:

If it doesn't, THEN the mysql logs

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Greek-Boy:

its not reavealing much

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Greek-Boy:

and mysql logs are empty

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Greek-Boy:

i'll try to copy the config and see

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J-e-f-f-A:

dserban: I have 2 of the Microsoft ones on this page: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MCE_Remote — 3rd remote "Backlight, No colored buttons" – in addition to the 3 HP MCE remotes.

[21:04:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

Josh_Borke: I've never had ir responses that slow! Sometimes on my old PIII 1Ghz frontend they'd take a second, but never 5 seconds...

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: there used to be a problem with gnome, where it would cause very poor response times to LIRC

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Dagmar:

*kof*FUD*kof*

[21:07:06]

wagnerrp:

eh? i thought there was some issue with mythtv conflicting with gnome-screensaver or something

[21:07:27]

Dagmar:

If you're running a screensaver on your TV... *sigh*

[21:07:54]

wagnerrp:

likewise, if youre running gnome on a mythtv frontend....

[21:07:57]

Dagmar:

It'll add some significant lag as the thing asks for your password to unlock the console

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Pio:

i run gnome on my mythfrontend

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Pio:

i just have the screensaver disabled though heh

[21:08:26]

wagnerrp:

dedicated frontend?

[21:08:37]

wagnerrp:

or a PC that just also happens to have mythtv installed?

[21:08:37]

Pio:

well.. pretty much dedicated

[21:08:52]

Pio:

its also my router and fileserver heh

[21:09:01]

wagnerrp:

so why are you running gnome?

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Pio:

i have the remote set up so i can control the mouse cursor

[21:09:22]

Pio:

so i can browse for specific videos, launch programs outside of mythtv

[21:09:50]

wagnerrp:

launchers to external programs can be added to the menu

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Pio:

so .. yeah its not like it never leaves myth

[21:10:08]

Pio:

interesting, didn't know that

[21:10:09]

wagnerrp:

and any real program you have to run would be far more productive done over ssh/vnc

[21:10:29]

Pio:

well yeah but if i want to read slashdot from the couch, or load up a video from my workstation over nfs..

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wagnerrp:

mythgame itself is little more than a generic application launcher

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Pio:

huh, didn't know that

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Pio:

never tried it

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wagnerrp:

however you can add custom program launching into the menu XML with the 'EXEC' call

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wagnerrp:

you just need some form of bare window manager to keep track of application Z-level and focus

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Pio:

yeah.. well the machine *does* have a normal VGA out that i occasionally use in addition to the tv out

[21:12:18]

Pio:

so.. yeah its not really completely a dedicated myth thing

[21:12:35]

Pio:

i let guests use it sometimes when im using my workstation

[21:13:08]

wagnerrp:

two separate video cards?

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Pio:

nah just an old fx5700 or something

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Pio:

vga & s-video out

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wagnerrp:

so you have to switch between using mythtv and using the VGA out

[21:13:46]

Pio:

no, its both at the same time

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Pio:

separate X screens

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Pio:

:0.0 & :0.1

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wagnerrp:

but still one X server, so only one focused application

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Pio:

correct

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Pio:

and a lot of myth's menus cant be controlled without focus, even with lirc

[21:14:32]

Pio:

which bugs me

[21:14:44]

Pio:

but i can control the mouse with the remote, so if i need to i just move the cursor over to :0.1 heh

[21:14:57]

wagnerrp:

well that doesnt make sense... LIRC functions independently of X

[21:15:08]

wagnerrp:

it does not use keyboard/mouse emulation

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iamlindoro:

Unless someone has done something silly like using irxevenets and lircmd

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Pio:

yeah like myth's recording context menu, and the exit confirmation screen, if myth doesnt have focus, they cannot be operated

[21:15:27]

wagnerrp:

it *can* if you use irxevent, but that is not its default behavior

[21:16:16]

Pio:

the recording context one (like if you hit 'm' on a recording) actually grabs focus when you repeatedly open it

[21:16:18]

Pio:

the exit one doesnt

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Pio:

its weird

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Pio:

older version of myth too, its debian etch

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wagnerrp:

i presume that just means 'some old revision of 0.21-fixes'

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Pio:

Library API : 0.21.20080304–1

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Pio:

MythTV Branch : tags/release-0–21

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Pio:

yeah

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Pio:

i keep procrastinating updating to lenny

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wagnerrp:

oh, release?

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Pio:

yeah but i'll bet theres some debian patches in there

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matt23:

hm so if i'm seeing these errors, should i re-import my old recording data?

[21:50:36]

matt23:

2009-09–21 09:36:53.826 ERROR when trying to delete file: myth://:/1009_20090828

[21:50:36]

matt23:

093000.mpg. File doesn't exist. Database metadata will not be removed.

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matt23:

er minus linebreak :P

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kormoc:

if the files don't exist, why would importing old metadata do anything?

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matt23:

well i'm wondering how is it getting that malformed filename that looks like a broken url?

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kormoc:

the hostname that is tied to the recording is missing/invalid/etc

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matt23:

hm maybe i can hack that in by hand

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sphery:

matt23: or you could fix your system

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matt23:

heh well sure

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sphery:

how did you get the recordings in?

[21:53:34]

sphery:

are these ones you put in with myth.rebuilddatabase.pl or did you hack them in by hand?

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matt23:

following the example of the mythconverg < restore.sql

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matt23:

and this seemed to be working ok for a while but now i think after a few mythbackend redos it's not happy..hmm

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sphery:

hostname is in the recorded table, so if they were recorded by myth, the hostname would be populated

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matt23:

ah but it's a new box and new hostname so i'm probably running into the hostname issue. how about file path to the media directory? is that stored there as well?

[21:54:53]

sphery:

you didn't do the 23.7 "Moving data to new hardware" did you?

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matt23:

i would assume not (?)

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.7

[21:55:51]

sphery:

if so, what was your old hostname?

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matt23:

heh it was mythtv and now it's mythtv2 ... creative aren't they

[21:56:20]

matt23:

yes i did that section hence my restore.sql

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sphery:

and if you did do that, did you do http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.15

[21:56:59]

matt23:

right, picking a genericky hostname..not a good idea here :P

[21:56:59]

sphery:

as 23.15 will /completely/ and totally break a DB when you use an old hostname of mythtv

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matt23:

heh si

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sphery:

no, you just need to do it right this time...

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sphery:

start over with the old backup, but this time use: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore

[21:57:48]

matt23:

eek! automated tools?! ;)

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sphery:

things to note: just because it's new hardware there's absolutely no reason to do a partial restore

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matt23:

k

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sphery:

you should really do a full restore

[21:58:42]

android60:

im trying to figure out the best way for adding guide data. right now with my tuner situation, i only have 6 clearqam channels. if i have an xml file with channel info, how can I get mythfilldatabase to only update info for the channels that i have instead of adding info for the channels i dont

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matt23:

wait, dumping the old system's mythconverg and going from there?

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sphery:

you need to do the full restore http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _backup_file , then you need to change the hostname (this approach /will/ work for mythtv old hostname) http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend

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sphery:

then start mythtv-setup and change settings as desired

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sphery:

then start mythfrontend and change settings as desired

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matt23:

gah

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sphery:

take whatever full backup you had from the old system

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matt23:

oh rats. ok

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sphery:

the one you sed'ed to get the partial DB which you broke with the HOWTO's broken approach to hostname changes

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matt23:

yeah thing is i didn't even do 23.15..

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matt23:

i was trying to start from scratch and just add some program data

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sphery:

how did you attempt to change hostname, then?

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sphery:

well, with the approach I just recommended, it will work fine (and will be easy)

[22:01:16]

sphery:

any other approach and you're on your own :)

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matt23:

ok i guess i should do that..just hate to reconfig everything, readd recording defs etc.

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sphery:

matt23: with the approach I mentioned, you will have everything you had at the time of the backup

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sphery:

but changed for the new hostname

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sphery:

so all you lose is whatever you've done since then

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matt23:

ok gotcha, yeah it's just that it's been a couple months lol!

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sphery:

oh...

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matt23:

during that time, our area also went to Comcast digilog hybrid cable :P

[22:03:17]

sphery:

well, you can throw those new recordings into mythvideo for an easy way to watch them

[22:03:22]

matt23:

so i said hey, why change one thing when i can change three! :)

[22:03:30]

matt23:

yah i might do that

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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sphery:

but on the bright side, you've had practice making those changes, so it will be easier this time

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matt23:

yeah thank jebus for the stce65scan or whatever it's called

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sphery:

yeah, though I can't use it (no cable/comcast/dta/...), I'm glad it's there for those who can use it

[22:04:32]

matt23:

it's totally bizarre

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matt23:

but fun to watch it walk the mysterious ether and come up with channels :)

[22:05:37]

sphery:

oh, one more thing--make sure you change the hostname /before/ starting any mythtv programs on the new host

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matt23:

ok will do yeah i figured best to do the scary stuff with everything off :)

[22:08:58]

sphery:

crankharder: All you need to do is disable "Reschedule Higher Priorities" and it will get the highest priority shows on their first showing

[22:09:14]

sphery:

how's that for 4-hrs too late for the conversation

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Dagmar:

Didn't you tell him that hours ago?

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Dagmar:

Ah hehe

[22:09:43]

Dagmar:

I thought for a moment there we had another "answer shopping" newb

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sphery:

I just saw my name mentioned in a context where that's what he wanted, so I was answering (didn't fell like reading all of scrollback)

[22:10:09]

Dagmar:

THe ones who'll show up, ask a question, get a reasonable answer, and then come back hours later to ask teh same question a few times more, in case a "better" answer comes up

[22:10:25]

sphery:

heh, no, not this time

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matt23:

hey sphery, i was wondering about importing old recording data into a new host with.... :D

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matt23:

sphery, i know it's a hack, but touch /var/media/mythvideo/<filename> seems to do the trick, then the deletion proceeds as normal

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dashcloud:

is there a recommended way to handle re-scanning digital channels to get the new location of them?

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wagnerrp:

run the scanner with 'minimal updates'

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wagnerrp:

it will try to match and move any channels that have an identifier

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wagnerrp:

which for digital cable, is likely going to be some of the broadcast channels

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dashcloud:

okay- I will do that in a bit

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matt23:

House goes through detox, hoping to stop the hallucinations that tormented him; Dr. Nolan (Andre Braugher) refuses to sign the paperwork to reinstate House's license unless House participates in his own mental recovery. (CC, Stereo)

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matt23:

so when is the alien abduction episode? aren't we overdue?

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Dagmar:

Any form of life able to cross the gulf between worlds will be smart enough to avoid the hell out of Dr. House

[23:09:26]

matt23:

heh

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Dagmar:

If for no other reason than his patients might come in for a hangnail removal, but invariably wind up in ICU hanging to life by a thread at some point before they leave

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matt23:

i've heard one of the appeals of the show is we dream we could be at work and telling everybody else they're an idiot...and be right

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Dagmar:

Dream?

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matt23:

heh

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Dagmar:

I avoid customer-facing positions for a reason

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matt23:

i loved the day i moved away from that world

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matt23:

yknow...from do you want fries with that? to should we order more fries?

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Dagmar:

*most* of my coworkers realize my refusal to sugar-coat and minimize is simply me being honest

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Dagmar:

"It's not in my job description to make you feel good about failure. I will however, laud subsequent successes without fail."

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matt23:

wow heidi klum is like 10 months pregnant

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matt23:

no more midriff shots for her

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Dagmar:

not on the usual websites anyway

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matt23:

yeah more like blog material now

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matt23:

but she can still say auf wiedersehen to the LOSERS on project runway

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matt23:

hm so i dumped all our employee names to a file then sorted them by length

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matt23:

the winner: Karthikeyan Vijayanarayanasamy

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** matt23 is impressed **

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kormoc:

Did you mean: Karthikeyan Vijay Narayanasamy?

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matt23:

kormoc on the google heh

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kormoc:

yeah, funny how much info you can get, class of 1989, tomcat user, hotmail email address....

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crankharder:

Dagmar: I'm not shopping, I got a good answer the first time :)

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kormoc:

ooh, he's a bad guy, posts to a mailing list and never posts again when asked for clarification...

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matt23:

heh

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matt23:

yeah i think it might be the same guy

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Dagmar:

If it sounds like a 64-bit hash and it spells like a 64-bit hash...

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matt23:

spell my finger

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weevilofdoom:

is there a table/row where i can see my unencrypted schedule's direct password? :/

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mzb:

wouldn't that be a bug? ;)

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weevilofdoom:

in a way yes, in a way no :(

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matt23:

https://www.schedulesdirect.org/login/forgot

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matt23:

^ not an option?

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matt23:

dead email address?

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matt23:

you should be able to mail them

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Dagmar:

Just dump the entire database and find out

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Dagmar:

It can't be stored encrypted. Hint hint

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kormoc:

SELECT * FROM videosource;

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scan is now known as scan_away

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Josh__:

Is QT4 backward compatible with QT3 apps?

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Dagmar:

no

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kormoc:

a little

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weevilofdoom:

ha thanks

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weevilofdoom:

got it

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weevilofdoom:

oh, thanks kormoc, i went and found that out by dumping and grepping, lol

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matt23:

dump and grep

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matt23:

saw that on CSI i think

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Josh__:

Dagmar, kormoc, hmm, I guess it's compatible enough, my 0.21 FE is running on a QT4 desktop (completely by accident)

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kormoc:

Josh__: or you have both installed

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Josh__:

kormoc, that's possible as well...

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Josh__:

kormoc, how would I find out what all versions of QT are currently installed?

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kormoc:

depends on your distro?

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Josh__:

kormoc, ahh, mabye I can ask the package manager.

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matt23:

aptdpkgyum -qal | grep -i qt

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matt23:

i swear i've had two different video sources running together at times..could this be due to my dvb card and the 'on known multiplex' tuning?

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Dagmar:

Assuming they're on the sake multiplex

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Josh__:

Dagmar, too much sake?

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laga:

weeabo!

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matt23:

mm sake

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** Josh__ wishes Comcast Houston would put his standard cable channels on Clear QAM already. **

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matt23:

so dagmar going with the scte65scan output, are these channels on the same multiplex?

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matt23:

37 110.7 4 TNT

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matt23:

38 110.8 4 ESPN

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matt23:

39 110.9 4 ESPN2

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Josh__:

Is there a way to run the frontend from within the build directory? (without a "make install"

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