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| [00:02:15] | squidly: | sphery: yea with spaces it did not |
| [00:02:16] | squidly: | sorry |
| [00:02:24] | squidly: | daughter needed me |
| [00:02:41] | sphery: | interesting... it should work |
| [00:02:58] | squidly: | yea |
| [00:03:11] | squidly: | it was also only that one |
| [00:03:23] | squidly: | other ones have spaces in the names |
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| [00:04:34] | sphery: | I'm wondering if you had some other strange character in there... |
| [00:05:10] | sphery: | (strange meaning, likely, some non-latin character) |
| [00:05:43] | kormoc: | anyone running current mythweb -trunk care to do some speed tests for me? |
| [00:06:59] | sphery: | I can do some, but I have only a dev system (with only about 10 recordings) |
| [00:07:05] | sphery: | and only 2 days of data |
| [00:07:11] | kormoc: | Should be fine |
| [00:07:12] | sphery: | 2 days of listings that is |
| [00:08:01] | kormoc: | Basically if you want to time how long a popup takes to render on the upcoming/listings pages as well as how long it takes to go to the upcoming page, detail page, recording page and how long a delete recording takes, that'd be awesome |
| [00:08:35] | sphery: | what kind of timing are we talking about? stopwatch or some debugging approach? |
| [00:08:57] | kormoc: | stopwatch should be fine |
| [00:09:02] | kormoc: | and then svn up and do them again |
| [00:09:11] | kormoc: | in theory, you should see a very nice improvement |
| [00:09:36] | kormoc: | (I went from 22 seconds to do a delete recording to .45 seconds) |
| [00:10:02] | sphery: | are their popups on the Upcoming Recordings page? |
| [00:10:06] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [00:10:12] | sphery: | I get an event notice, but nothing happens |
| [00:10:22] | kormoc: | Did it go away? |
| [00:10:30] | sphery: | event does |
| [00:10:37] | sphery: | (green thing in bottom left) |
| [00:10:45] | kormoc: | and if you hover back over the one you first hovered over, notta? |
| [00:10:52] | sphery: | nothing |
| [00:10:58] | sphery: | might be me...\ |
| [00:11:01] | sphery: | let me update mw |
| [00:13:18] | sphery: | still nothing |
| [00:13:23] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [00:13:28] | kormoc: | firefox, linux? |
| [00:13:30] | sphery: | though I got nothing before your latest |
| [00:13:36] | sphery: | FF3 Linux |
| [00:13:59] | sphery: | getting nothing on Listings, either... Let me firebug |
| [00:14:36] | sphery: | btw, huge update... kicked me from < 7K blocks to 7475 blocks |
| [00:17:22] | sphery: | error type: User Error\nerror string: Failure to autoload class PEAR/Error! |
| [00:17:33] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [00:17:34] | sphery: | Seems my setup is a bit fruity |
| [00:17:36] | kormoc: | nah |
| [00:17:39] | kormoc: | I know what's up |
| [00:18:01] | sphery: | has all the data later on, though |
| [00:18:08] | sphery: | want the full response? |
| [00:18:31] | kormoc: | edit includes/init.php and remove the FirePHPCore line? (line 20ish) |
| [00:18:35] | wagnerrp: | recordings and upcoming are about the same (15s and 7s respectively) |
| [00:18:40] | xris: | kormoc: wtf? delete recording for me has rarely taken more than a second or two |
| [00:18:41] | wagnerrp: | listings dropped from 22s to 11s |
| [00:19:09] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i have had problems with the popups in mythweb not working when firebug is active |
| [00:19:27] | kormoc: | xris: my verizon lineup has slaughtered my times, I went from a few dozen scheduled a day to a few thousand, etc. |
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| [00:19:43] | kormoc: | xris: and previously all ajax calls would do full scheduled loads, that too *a lot* of time |
| [00:19:49] | kormoc: | *that took |
| [00:19:56] | xris: | kormoc: eww |
| [00:20:10] | xris: | and my backend is probably fast enough for that not to be much of an issue |
| [00:20:25] | xris: | doesn't seem much faster to me |
| [00:20:29] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [00:20:45] | xris: | quad core + 4G RAM + lots of db caching |
| [00:21:18] | kormoc: | I'm only two cores down from you :P |
| [00:21:22] | sphery: | kormoc: with: // @include_once('FirePHPCore/fb.php'); I'm still getting Failure to autoload class PEAR/Error! |
| [00:21:22] | xris: | plus I'm remote, which would add some network latency |
| [00:21:32] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [00:21:49] | kormoc: | we're not using PEAR/Error... |
| [00:22:00] | wagnerrp: | remote, network? or remote, internet? |
| [00:22:32] | kormoc: | ooh! We are... |
| [00:23:05] | sphery: | in classes/Services/JSON.php ? |
| [00:23:27] | sphery: | These PEARrors are preventing the popups... |
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| [00:23:54] | sphery: | kormoc: but I will say that the request notices seem to disappear fast :) |
| [00:24:00] | xris: | wagnerrp: me at work, mythbox at home |
| [00:25:17] | kormoc: | sphery: svn up, fixed |
| [00:25:37] | sphery: | will do |
| [00:25:58] | xris: | kormoc: aren't you supposed to be doing work-work, or something? |
| [00:26:05] | kormoc: | xris: yeah, for me, it's not database time, it's backend time (transfering 7k+ recordings per page load + processing) + disk io is slow |
| [00:26:18] | kormoc: | xris: burning time waiting for my bro to get ready to go do more stuff |
| [00:26:28] | xris: | ah |
| [00:26:38] | xris: | could always come over and help me move dirt in the backyard. :) |
| [00:26:53] | kormoc: | Hehe, Sadly Janice has my car right now, so that's a tad hard ;) |
| [00:27:11] | sphery: | definitely fixed |
| [00:27:19] | kormoc: | snaz |
| [00:27:55] | sphery: | on upcoming seems to be less than 1/2 second--around 1/4, even? |
| [00:28:04] | kormoc: | snazzy |
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| [00:28:31] | sphery: | kormoc: same Failure to autoload class PEAR/Error! |
| [00:28:36] | sphery: | in Listings |
| [00:28:47] | kormoc: | might need a full refresh? |
| [00:28:54] | kormoc: | (meaning cache clear) |
| [00:29:08] | sphery: | ahh |
| [00:29:52] | sphery: | heh, yeah... It's only tonight's episode of Big Brother whose details I can't see on Listings (no /big/ deal :) |
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| [00:32:05] | GreyFoxx: | meowfnert9 |
| [00:32:22] | xris: | GreyFoxx: what's the username/server to go with that? ;) |
| [00:32:32] | sphery: | kormoc: OK, to give you an idea of the speed... It seems on trunk Upcoming/Listings pages to take maybe 2x the time it takes to render a popup on the -fixes Upcoming page, which has all the data loaded on initial page load! And, about the trunk pages take 1/3 the time it takes to render the popup on the -fixes Listings page (which uses AJAX). |
| [00:32:59] | GreyFoxx: | actually it's not my password, it's my dad's :) |
| [00:33:33] | GreyFoxx: | well, it was, not anymore :) |
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| [00:39:24] | sphery: | kormoc: detail page seems to be much less than a second (1/10s?) and Upcoming and Recorded are very fast, too. Recorded seems to appear /very/ fast even though it doesn't have all the previews generated, yet. Seemingly instantaneous delete (even with Slow Deletes enabled). |
| [00:40:08] | sphery: | kormoc: kudos... that was a huge performance increase |
| [00:40:44] | kormoc: | Snazzy! Great to get confirmation :) |
| [00:41:30] | tmkt: | V comming back to tv |
| [00:41:37] | wagnerrp: | im not really seeing any speedup |
| [00:43:01] | wagnerrp: | although i should probably wait until im not hammering my disk with a tar |
| [00:43:44] | sphery: | So, anyone here use "Save position and exit" for "Action on playback exit"? |
| [00:43:52] | kormoc: | I do |
| [00:44:38] | sphery: | As mentioned at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/7049 , if you exit at the end of the recording, it sets a bookmark, so when you try to re-enter with P or I|Play from...|Bookmark, it goes to the end and exits again |
| [00:45:09] | sphery: | I can easily fix it to never set the bookmark if you're at the actual end of the recording, but would you ever want to set the bookmark if close to the end? |
| [00:45:33] | kormoc: | Yeah, if I need to quit out for some reason |
| [00:45:53] | wagnerrp: | well im sure the idea is that you exit after the credits start rolling |
| [00:46:09] | wagnerrp: | maybe have it check against the commercial flagging |
| [00:46:14] | sphery: | well, the if you're at the actual end of the recording fix only prevents the bookmark if you're at the end. |
| [00:46:21] | sphery: | if you're 1s from the end, it still sets bookmark |
| [00:46:53] | kormoc: | I'd be cool with if it's under 15S from the end, rewind it to 15S or something like that |
| [00:47:50] | sphery: | so I figured I'd do kind of like wagnerrp was talking (actually more like the "Automatically mark a recording as watched" setting does), but "Automatically mark a recording as watched" actually allows exiting up to 14% from the end of the recording (where it's always no more than 12min and no less than 4min) |
| [00:48:16] | sphery: | but I can actually see wanting a bookmark within the last 4min (and especially within the last 12) |
| [00:48:37] | sphery: | kormoc: interesting idea... |
| [00:48:56] | sphery: | if the bookmark itself is within the last 15s, just start from 15s before the end... |
| [00:49:16] | sphery: | i.e. set the bookmark, anyway, but start playback farther from the end |
| [00:49:59] | wagnerrp: | can you just add a popup? 'start from beginning','start from existing bookmark' |
| [00:50:15] | sphery: | we have that popup, but the user has to ask for it |
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| [00:51:35] | sphery: | I like kormoc's approach because it doesn't change the meaning of anything (does what the user said, too--sets bookmark on exit), but it starts playback with sufficient time to allow them to rewind/restart (with #-SELECT or #-StickyFFwd or Jump or Skip or ...) |
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| [01:16:47] | dashcloud: | hi, I'm curious what Fios people do with regards to mapping their local channels if they have analog & digital tuners? |
| [01:18:00] | dashcloud: | do people usually toss the channel from the analog tuner if they get it on the digital one? |
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| [01:32:37] | venger: | just copied my recordings dir over to new drive (cp -ax /old/* /new) and while i can access everything there are alot of missing thumbnails in mythweb now — any ideas? |
| [01:35:37] | squidly: | venger: check the $mythweb/data directory |
| [01:35:45] | squidly: | the links may have broken |
| [01:36:39] | venger: | finding a bunch of 0 byte png in /var/cache/mythweb/image_cache |
| [01:37:44] | MarcT: | I hate customers |
| [01:37:48] | kormoc: | just delete them and it'll regenerate them |
| [01:39:23] | MarcT: | I wish I could delete them and have them stay gone =p |
| [01:39:46] | Bryan: | hey guys, I have 2 pvr150s and recently the picture on both has got very bad-- completely unwatchable. It seems somewhat intermitent. It's perfectly clear on some chanels at some times, and other times you can barely make out what's going on. Any idea what could be going on? Do these cards just get worn out after a couple years? |
| [01:40:29] | venger: | they came back 0 size again, should i delete png's in the recordings dir as well? |
| [01:40:49] | sphery: | Bryan: signal issues? |
| [01:40:49] | kormoc: | 0.21-fixes or -trunk? |
| [01:41:10] | venger: | not sure why this would even happen though i had all services down while copying... |
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| [01:41:18] | Bryan: | sphery, I don't think so.... I have switched to my tv's built in tuner several times while having the issue, and the picture looks fine there |
| [01:41:47] | Bryan: | & also tried swaping out the cable for one I know is good |
| [01:44:18] | sphery: | and checked all connections? |
| [01:44:44] | Bryan: | yes |
| [01:46:15] | sphery: | might be overheating or something... |
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| [01:46:28] | sphery: | what kind of "barely watchable"? |
| [01:46:39] | sphery: | blocky, static-y, ... |
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| [01:48:53] | Bryan: | http://ramrod.homelinux.net/1005_20090911160000.nuv.x0x64.png |
| [01:49:04] | Bryan: | there's the thumbnail for one of the recordings |
| [01:49:54] | MarcT: | looks like a flaky connection |
| [01:50:40] | Bryan: | I know. I plugged my tv directly into the wall, confirmed that the picture was good, and then unplugged the tv & plugged in the tuner card. Bad picture... |
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| [01:51:07] | MarcT: | did you test capture outside of myth? |
| [01:51:18] | Bryan: | no. What's the best way to do that? |
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| [01:51:35] | sphery: | Bryan: and this is an analog RF-modulated signal (not S-Video/Composite)? |
| [01:51:37] | MarcT: | what kind of card? |
| [01:51:53] | Bryan: | sphery, correct |
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| [01:52:04] | Bryan: | MarcT, it's a pvr-150 |
| [01:52:14] | Bryan: | actually there are 2, and I've observed the same thing from both |
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| [01:52:42] | MarcT: | I have a pvr-500, essentially the same thing. |
| [01:53:03] | wagnerrp: | can you plug a composite/svideo source into it, and see what kind of video you get? |
| [01:53:20] | wagnerrp: | can you run tvtime on the framegrabber, and see what kind of video you get? |
| [01:53:54] | Bryan: | sure |
| [01:54:20] | venger: | does the skull and crossbones mini icon mean anything? :) |
| [01:54:48] | sphery: | venger: in Watch Recordings? If so, hit F1 (or 1 if on -fixes). |
| [01:54:55] | wagnerrp: | usually means youre going to loot and pillage |
| [01:55:30] | MarcT: | Bryan you could also try cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test.mpg |
| [01:55:51] | MarcT: | since myth already tuned a channel for you |
| [01:55:52] | ** venger dusts off the keyboard ** | |
| [01:56:07] | wagnerrp: | MarcT: assuming hes actually using the card as an mpeg encode, and not a framegrabber, that wont make any difference |
| [01:56:23] | sphery: | It's the Union Jack (the guy who said it's illegal for people to skip commercials... What was his last name?) |
| [01:56:24] | MarcT: | wagnerrp he said its a PVR-150 |
| [01:56:53] | wagnerrp: | MarcT: yeah, thats not stopping him from screwing up, and setting it up as a v4l card |
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| [01:57:10] | MarcT: | good point =p |
| [01:57:19] | Bryan: | it's not =) |
| [01:57:23] | wagnerrp: | im saying if he is properly using it as an mpeg encoder, mythtv will record the same exact quality as just catting the node to a file |
| [01:57:41] | venger: | sphery, that appears to be a nice legend but my resizing on the old tv has it scrunched up |
| [01:57:45] | wagnerrp: | especially if he doesnt use the ivtv tools to edit the bitrate |
| [01:58:03] | sphery: | venger: it's completely theme dependent, but I'm guessing it means it was commercial flagged |
| [01:58:15] | venger: | i think it might say is able to be ...delete? |
| [01:58:21] | venger: | ok |
| [01:58:24] | sphery: | autoexpirable? |
| [01:58:27] | sphery: | that coudl be, too |
| [01:58:33] | venger: | fair enough |
| [01:58:52] | sphery: | or possibly already deleted |
| [01:59:06] | venger: | no it plays still |
| [01:59:10] | sphery: | who was that guy who said that it's illegal to skip commercials... |
| [01:59:25] | sphery: | yeah, could be deleted if you're using the Deleted recording group |
| [01:59:37] | sphery: | (specifically, "Auto-expire instead of Delete") |
| [01:59:56] | venger: | so on the death list |
| [02:00:23] | venger: | some of these need to die anyway i had to get her a drive because of em |
| [02:00:45] | Bryan: | yeah, catting the device looks just as crappy |
| [02:01:50] | venger: | ok i moved the *png files in records dir (just in case) and delete all png in cache dir but it's generation 0 byte files cache dir and in records dir they haven't been regenerated yet. is there anything i can do to trigger the process? |
| [02:03:21] | MarcT: | where are you trying to get them to show up? |
| [02:04:12] | venger: | accessing mythweb thats when the 0 byte files come back |
| [02:04:39] | venger: | i assume there's some other task though that generates the png's though |
| [02:06:35] | sphery: | venger: that means your mythweb is either a) not connecting to the backend properly, b) sending the wrong time (i.e. because you have the wrong time zone set in PHP) |
| [02:06:50] | sphery: | venger: or that the backend is lacking permissions to the directory with the recordings |
| [02:07:03] | sphery: | venger: either way, check you backend log files to see what's happening |
| [02:07:06] | venger: | its connecting because i can see all data and download the files, its just the thumbnails |
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| [02:07:31] | sphery: | different connections/kind of connection |
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| [02:10:25] | venger: | i moved the old files back and the nonzero size ones show up fine |
| [02:10:53] | kormoc: | You're not a very good listener... |
| [02:11:48] | kormoc: | I asked you a while ago if this was 0.21-fixes or trunk, never got an answer, and sphery's attempting to help you out and all you are doing is repeating the same factoid that is entirely meaningless given the nature of your issue |
| [02:11:51] | venger: | no apparently no because its not a permissions problem and it's not a connections problem |
| [02:12:03] | kormoc: | You don't know that at all |
| [02:12:22] | kormoc: | But hey, what do we as developers know |
| [02:12:22] | marc-us: | anyone have suggestions for a thin client? I use a popcorn hour but it's just for viewing files over a file share but I'd like to use the mythtv interface on a quiet box. I know it's a tough request for HD and small |
| [02:12:43] | kormoc: | marc-us: mac mini, early 2009 model |
| [02:13:25] | marc-us: | searching but craigslist is letting me down. what isagood price used? |
| [02:13:39] | kormoc: | You won't find them used yet, they're too new imho |
| [02:13:54] | kormoc: | Expect $600 new for the base model, $800 for the ram upgrade |
| [02:13:54] | marc-us: | ah |
| [02:14:13] | marc-us: | exactly what I've seen |
| [02:14:36] | kormoc: | there's older generation mac minis, but they don't have the nvidia gpu which will be extremely useful for 0.22+ |
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| [02:15:12] | marc-us: | I have an amd 780 mini board but theati drivers sucked |
| [02:15:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Are you running the osx frontend or Linux on that mini? |
| [02:15:53] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A: Negative, linux |
| [02:16:03] | kormoc: | although the mac frontend wouldn't be bad |
| [02:16:04] | marc-us: | so I dropped an nvidia card but it no longer fit in the mini atx case |
| [02:16:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: cool. ;-) |
| [02:17:02] | marc-us: | I've been thinking of trying the newer catalyst drivers but have hesitated because I've not heard any news of improvements |
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| [02:17:27] | marc-us: | so I've just been using it in a bigger case as a backend |
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| [02:17:49] | marc-us: | I tried hacking an appletv |
| [02:17:57] | marc-us: | but that was difficult at best |
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| [02:18:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc-us: does that case have the provision for a pcie riser card? |
| [02:19:00] | sphery: | venger: and the backend logs say? |
| [02:19:03] | marc-us: | the board I have has two pci slots |
| [02:19:23] | venger: | sorry for not checking the log the core error seems to be: 2009-09–15 22:09:55.891 Preview Error: Run() file not local: '/mythdepot/1002_20071113073000.mpg' \n 2009-09–15 22:09:55.891 MainServer: Failed to make preview image. |
| [02:20:06] | marc-us: | thecheap card i have is too tall |
| [02:21:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc-us: too tall as in not half-height, or that the slot is shorter than even a half-hight slot because of the case. |
| [02:21:29] | marc-us: | I may try a new install with the proprietary drivers on anextra drive that I have |
| [02:21:35] | sphery: | venger: what's the URI of the preview image or the recording in MythWeb? |
| [02:21:48] | marc-us: | not half height |
| [02:22:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc-us: doh! ;-) |
| [02:22:50] | sphery: | marc-us: got a band saw? |
| [02:23:00] | sphery: | ^^^ joke :) |
| [02:23:05] | marc-us: | yeppers! |
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| [02:23:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: that is truely scary... I was *thinking* the same thing, almost said that myself at first... ;-) |
| [02:23:23] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:23:37] | marc-us: | with linux I don't have to shut down the server. Who minds a few metal flakes |
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| [02:24:59] | marc-us: | I bought the nvidia out of desparation I just wanted the front end to work well. So, its been sitting in that same state for nearly a year |
| [02:25:45] | marc-us: | nearly a 800 gigs later... I don't feel like messing too much with it |
| [02:26:04] | marc-us: | heck. I'm still at hardy heron |
| [02:26:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | What we need is an nvidia chipset usb 2.0 adapter... with vdpau capabilities... ;-) |
| [02:27:04] | marc-us: | Why don't one of these guys make a mythtv front end box (asus or foxcon) |
| [02:27:29] | venger: | sphery, i don't know how i could match that up. the links in mythweb are in a format as such: http://myserver/mythweb/tv/detail/1002/1194957000 |
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| [02:27:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc-us: Because *nobody* makes a mythtv frontend box – it's not a commercial product. |
| [02:27:45] | marc-us: | should I even try to get the ati drivers to work or are they still crap? |
| [02:28:10] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: thats not true |
| [02:28:16] | wagnerrp: | there have been a couple vendors over the years |
| [02:28:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | marc-us: I've heard they've improved alot... but can't say first-hand as I don't have one. |
| [02:28:54] | wagnerrp: | as far as i know, Pluto still makes retail mythtv boxes |
| [02:28:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, but not from a hardware manufacturer – from vendors that rolled their own systems. |
| [02:29:03] | marc-us: | might be worth a try |
| [02:29:39] | marc-us: | I'll prep that spare hd and give it a whirl this Sunday |
| [02:30:11] | marc-us: | tearing was my issue before |
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| [02:34:09] | mchou: | marc-us: plenty of folks make decent upnp frontends |
| [02:34:16] | sphery: | venger: you match it up by telling me... :) That would be the recording from channel (whose ID is) 1002 from Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:30:00 GMT. That would be Tue 13 Nov 2007 07:30:00 AM EST . |
| [02:34:43] | kormoc: | venger: you changed the hostname of the backend? |
| [02:34:44] | mchou: | marc-us: I think there's more demand for those than myth frontends |
| [02:35:17] | venger: | no just the recording drive only |
| [02:35:27] | sphery: | venger: so, are you actually in the US Eastern time zone? |
| [02:35:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Yeah, but the current upnp myth interface is just a file browser. There are thoughs of expanding it (I've had them myself, and have read about them too on the lists), but that will take time. |
| [02:35:31] | mchou: | marc-us: not to mention whenever myth makes a new release that's a super headache for the "manufacturer" |
| [02:35:48] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: which ones have you played with? |
| [02:36:11] | venger: | yes eastern |
| [02:37:01] | venger: | the one i pasted is the link above is the link |
| [02:37:15] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: WDTV 2 is about to come out, maybe with a street price of ~US$140 |
| [02:37:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: I have a Buffalo LinkTheater HD, an I-O Data AvelLink HD, and a few others. (PS3 too) – myth just presents the recordings/videos/music more-or-less as directory listings, sortable by program title, dete, etc. |
| [02:37:38] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: at that price point, I think that's rather hard to beat |
| [02:37:51] | sphery: | venger: and is that the proper start time for the show (as shown in mythfrontend)? Do you see the recording with the following (fix path as necessary): ls -l /path/to/recordings/1002_20071113073000.mpg |
| [02:38:22] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: it's WDTV 2 or popcorn hour C-200.... |
| [02:38:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Sure, price-wise, but there's no 'frontend' functionality like program scheduling, etc, which *is* possible to implement, but will take time. |
| [02:38:34] | mchou: | or mabe tvix 22xx |
| [02:38:46] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: bah |
| [02:39:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: Is the Popcorn Hour just UPnP, or can it be 'hacked' to run a full frontend? |
| [02:39:02] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: i can do program scheduling on both my upnp frontends |
| [02:39:10] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: use your cell phone to schedule recordings |
| [02:39:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Using a web browser feature perhaps, outside the upnp function? |
| [02:39:50] | wagnerrp: | uh huh |
| [02:39:51] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: I dont see scheduling as an obstacle given mythweb is available |
| [02:40:14] | venger: | sphery, ls -l /mythdepot/1002_20071113073000.mpg\n -rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 4085733376 2007-11–13 09:15 /mythdepot/1002_20071113073000.mpg |
| [02:40:34] | kormoc: | Did you update your storage groups? |
| [02:40:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ok, not so bad. (Because I actually prefer mythweb scheduling to the frontend scheduling... ;-) ) |
| [02:40:47] | venger: | sphery, time is accurate on the frontend and mythweb |
| [02:41:05] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: I don't think too many folks have hacked popcorn hour |
| [02:41:18] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: wdtv or tvix, otoh.... :) |
| [02:41:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: mythweb and my verizon Voyager don't get along well because I have too many recordings... (crashes the browser...) |
| [02:41:46] | mchou: | J-e-f-f-A: get a new phone :) |
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| [02:42:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: hehe... ;-) If I could figure out how to 'emulate' youtube's mobile interface, I could stream my myth stuff to my phone... ;-) (verizon locks them down pretty tight unfortunately) |
| [02:43:40] | mchou: | anyway, when wdtv 2 comes out life should get more intersting |
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| [02:44:49] | mchou: | popcorn hour C-200 so far has been a lot of vaporware |
| [02:44:51] | venger: | kormoc, do i need to readd /mythdepot to a "Playback Group" after the disk change? |
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| [02:45:38] | kormoc: | venger: you need to re-add them to the storage groups if it's a different path |
| [02:46:12] | venger: | kormoc, well the mount point and layout is identical but ill try to find that config again and verify it |
| [02:46:29] | kormoc: | can the backend read the files (correct permissions?) |
| [02:46:56] | mchou: | the problem with turnkey upnp frontends is that everybody complains about them |
| [02:47:38] | mchou: | you'd get the impression nobody is satisfied with upnp front ends |
| [02:48:43] | sphery: | venger: go into mythtv-setup as the user who runs the backend and it will check permissions and existence of the storage group directories |
| [02:49:12] | sphery: | venger: make sure you run it as the user who runs mythbackend (not necessarily the mythfrontend user or your "personal" user) |
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| [02:50:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | mchou: I think that's because other media 'hosting' solutions have more complete upnp implementations, making the presentation much 'prettier'. That will change, it'll just take time as there's more important stuff to complete first... |
| [02:50:20] | venger: | sphery, i use the same user on each host |
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| [02:51:14] | venger: | for mythtv that is, roger that |
| [02:52:02] | mchou: | wonder if myth has implemented cutlist as tracks so upnp frontends can skip commercials |
| [02:52:18] | sphery: | venger: and for both mythfrontend and mythbackend processes? |
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| [02:52:28] | Cyber-Dogg: | howdy |
| [02:52:33] | mchou: | that would clinch the decision |
| [02:52:37] | sphery: | regardless, do what I said and it will check for you and tell you if things are wrong |
| [02:52:42] | sphery: | venger: ^^^ |
| [02:52:43] | Cyber-Dogg: | I have an issue where about ever 30 minutes my myth box hangs and then errors |
| [02:52:53] | Cyber-Dogg: | then I have to select watch tv again and that works fine |
| [02:52:54] | sphery: | mchou: no commskip with upnp |
| [02:53:00] | Cyber-Dogg: | any idea how to fix that? |
| [02:53:09] | kormoc: | Cyber-Dogg: stop watching live tv? |
| [02:53:21] | venger: | sphery, yes backend only on one host and frontend only on another |
| [02:53:27] | Cyber-Dogg: | LOL... that doesn't help me :-) |
| [02:53:32] | sphery: | Cyber-Dogg: does it do this on program change? if so, that's a known and "expected" benefit of LiveTV |
| [02:53:35] | mchou: | sphery: you mean myth hasnt implemented it or it's not in the upnp spec? |
| [02:53:44] | sphery: | mchou: myth hasn't implemented it |
| [02:54:05] | Cyber-Dogg: | sphery: yeah it is on program change |
| [02:54:08] | sphery: | venger: sounds good... so on the backend host, start up mythtv-setup as the user who runs mythbackend |
| [02:54:16] | Cyber-Dogg: | so i'm guessing it's changing files then? |
| [02:54:28] | sphery: | Cyber-Dogg: it gets better in 0.22, but it's not really high priority |
| [02:54:42] | sphery: | few of the devs ever touch LiveTV other than for short "is my setup working" tests |
| [02:54:53] | Cyber-Dogg: | oh ok |
| [02:55:06] | sphery: | (in 0.22, when released, I should say) |
| [02:55:14] | sphery: | as there is no 0.22, yet |
| [02:55:42] | Cyber-Dogg: | we use our DVR less for the purpose of recording of everything prior to watching and more for the purpose of recording other shows while we're watching something |
| [02:56:15] | Cyber-Dogg: | and also, i like to watch the news while I'm eating dinner... but there isn't much point for me to record it |
| [02:56:42] | Cyber-Dogg: | ultimately, it isn't a big deal for me to hit watch TV again... but it certainly has an impact on the WAF |
| [02:57:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cyber-Dogg: I record the news, but only keep 2 copies. I can watch it in 'real time' if I want to, or whenever I feel like it. ;-) |
| [02:58:09] | sphery: | Cyber-Dogg: I completely disagree with the "no point in recording the news" thing... My manifesto: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/387302#387302 |
| [02:58:18] | Cyber-Dogg: | LOL... it seems weird to me to watch recorded news... |
| [02:58:26] | sphery: | (which basically says exactly what J-e-f-f-A says) |
| [02:58:42] | kormoc: | Cyber-Dogg: you already are, live-tv is recorded after all |
| [02:58:45] | sphery: | Cyber-Dogg: you actually /want/ to watch every minute of the news? Including all the stupid stuff? |
| [02:59:13] | sphery: | Cyber-Dogg: so, recording (and starting watching late enough you can skip the commercials/stupid parts), makes sense |
| [02:59:19] | sphery: | also means you don't have to be there when it starts |
| [02:59:29] | sphery: | and you can watch on your schedule |
| [03:00:51] | sphery: | and you could even set up a rule to record the news from "all 3" ;) networks and then flip back and forth between the three, and with a "Keep 1"/"Delete old and record new" rule, it doesn't take much space. And, if you set the rule to record in the LiveTV recording group, it will automatically delete the recordings the next day (even if it doesn't record new ones) |
| [03:02:34] | Cyber-Dogg: | so... inherent in it being news... I often don't have prior knowledge of what I may be interested |
| [03:02:35] | Cyber-Dogg: | in |
| [03:02:56] | Cyber-Dogg: | so i like to just have it on in the background and passively listen while preparing/consuming dinner |
| [03:03:11] | Cyber-Dogg: | but I see your point and accept it |
| [03:03:30] | Cyber-Dogg: | ultimately though, that doesn't change the WAF :-) |
| [03:03:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | Cyber-Dogg: you better! ;-) (J/K!!!) ;-) |
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| [03:08:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | RobertLaptop: can't make up your mind? |
| [03:08:46] | venger: | well you were right, I wasn't listening. it was permissions on the main mount point. I appreciate the help sphery and kormoc |
| [03:09:15] | RobertLaptop: | J-e-f-f-A I am having a config problem requiring restarts. |
| [03:09:52] | sphery: | venger: on the bright side, kormoc and I plan to keep the money we get from the Tooth Fairy tonight after pulling all those teeth... |
| [03:12:06] | venger: | 1TB of goodness to fill up now |
| [03:13:30] | ** iamlindoro looks at the bare USB drive sleds chugging away on top of his MBE ** | |
| [03:13:42] | wagnerrp: | not like that will take long with the seasons starting back up |
| [03:13:47] | ** J-e-f-f-A just pulled the heatsink off one of the new 8400GS cards and found it's got the G98 chip... cool... ;-) ** | |
| [03:14:05] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: that was rather unnecessary |
| [03:15:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Well, I could have just dropped it in a machine, but didn't feel like it... ;-) it was easy enough anyways, it's attached by spring-loaded screws. |
| [03:15:25] | wagnerrp: | you could have just looked on the box |
| [03:15:34] | wagnerrp: | or possibly, a sticker on the board itself |
| [03:16:11] | wagnerrp: | G84 chips are 450MHz, G98 chips are 576MHz |
| [03:16:16] | wagnerrp: | 567 |
| [03:19:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Well, the Micro Center web site claims 459Mhz. And the wikipedia vdpau page (granted, not 'gospel', but seems fairly thorough) says it could have either been the G84, G86 or G98 chip. So a quick check revealed a G98 chip. ;-) |
| [03:20:10] | wagnerrp: | really, a G98 at 450MHz? |
| [03:20:24] | wagnerrp: | id be interested to see if it is actually clocked at that, or just a typo on the websie |
| [03:20:26] | wagnerrp: | te |
| [03:20:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Well, that's what MC claims... I haven't verified it – they're probably wrong. ;-) |
| [03:20:48] | wagnerrp: | you know G84/G86/G98 is all pretty meaningless now, right? |
| [03:22:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, I guess since they updated vdpau support for all of them, right? Is vdpau actual firmware on the card, or are they using the card's programming abilities – something like cuda? |
| [03:23:17] | wagnerrp: | i believe theyre using the shaders for the entropy decoding, but i have nothing to back that up |
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| [03:23:25] | wagnerrp: | regardless, its all done internal to the drivers |
| [03:23:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah... ;-) |
| [03:24:51] | steltho: | I am trying to configure a remote fontend, and I am getting this error message: RingBuf(/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/FILE/ON/localhost/1019_20090915200539.mpg |
| [03:25:20] | steltho: | I got a frontend working on the same machine as the backend, but I am having trouble with the remote setup any ideas? |
| [03:26:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | steltho: did you setup your combined backend/frontend as 127.0.0.1 ??? If so, that's your problem. |
| [03:26:47] | wagnerrp: | eh? you WANT to set it up as 127.0.0.1, rather than localhost |
| [03:27:01] | wagnerrp: | erm... nevermind |
| [03:27:03] | wagnerrp: | remote frontend |
| [03:27:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, J-e-f-f-A has your problem pegged |
| [03:27:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehe. ;-) |
| [03:28:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | steltho: You need to set it to your 'real' ip, such as 192.168.1.50 – and your backend should have a static IP (although that might not be required w/upnp discovery? ) |
| [03:28:38] | steltho: | J-e-f-f-A: I did that originally, but then I ran mythtv-setup and changed the IP to 192.168.123.100. |
| [03:28:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | steltho: Ok, then you probably just need to setup the mysql privledges. |
| [03:29:24] | wagnerrp: | if mysql isnt working, the frontend would not run |
| [03:29:29] | steltho: | J-e-f-f-A: I think I have the privledges set up ok. |
| [03:29:47] | wagnerrp: | no, these recordings were done while your backend was still setup up using 127.0.0.1 |
| [03:29:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Humm... yeah good point. |
| [03:29:56] | wagnerrp: | so they are listed as stored on 'localhost' |
| [03:30:10] | steltho: | wagnerrp: Yes that is probably the problem. |
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| [03:30:25] | wagnerrp: | so when you changed it to add the remote frontend, they are still listed as localhost, instead of a real host |
| [03:30:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | or... his backend's hostname is 'localhost', and so is his frontend. |
| [03:30:46] | wagnerrp: | you have just the one backend? |
| [03:31:12] | steltho: | yes one backend, and two frontends. One frontend is on the same machine as the backend. |
| [03:31:34] | wagnerrp: | 'update recorded set hostname="the hostname"; |
| [03:31:45] | wagnerrp: | the hostname being that of the backend |
| [03:31:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | steltho: is your backend's hostname 'localhost'? |
| [03:32:05] | wagnerrp: | yeah, it should have a real hostname, besides localhost |
| [03:32:33] | ** J-e-f-f-A named his 'mythbackend' <- not very original, eh? ;-) ** | |
| [03:32:53] | wagnerrp: | mine are mythbe, myth1, myth2, myth3.... |
| [03:33:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and his frontends are "mythbedroom" "mythlivingroom", etc... ;-) |
| [03:34:13] | steltho: | The backend machine is named localhost. |
| [03:35:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | steltho: You should fix that. Here's the relevant doc: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-23.html#ss23.15 |
| [03:36:07] | steltho: | Ok, I'll take a look at that. Thank you. |
| [03:36:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | steltho: So, change your backend's hostname to "mythbe" or "mythbackend", then use that doc to change your database to match. ;-) |
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| [03:37:34] | ** J-e-f-f-A can't believe he beat sphery with a link! ;-) ** | |
| [03:38:03] | sphery: | soon, J-e-f-f-A will inherit my job and I'll finally be able to relax on that hammock out back... |
| [03:38:38] | wagnerrp: | could be worse, the admin who set up our cluster only ever uses two names, norman and alice |
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| [03:38:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: hehe, I wish I had the time to do so! ;-) |
| [03:38:59] | sphery: | steltho: check out http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . d_or_backend as the howto version won't work with certain hostnames (like myth or video or ...) |
| [03:39:04] | kormoc: | I use names of hippy chicks I hung out with in high school |
| [03:39:07] | wagnerrp: | between the two clusters we have, there have been half a dozen normans, and 800some alices |
| [03:39:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: And no numbers or anything after them? |
| [03:40:08] | wagnerrp: | the worst part is the alices are all ordered numerically, and there are 64 to a rack (fairly easy to handle), 11 to a shelf |
| [03:40:28] | wagnerrp: | that 11 to a shelf gets very confusing, very quickly |
| [03:40:35] | kormoc: | and then my mobile devices are after Rocky Horror characters |
| [03:40:40] | sphery: | I decided to name my like the USB implementors did. So, I have my Athlon XP 2000+ backend called "FullSpeed" and my Athlon XP 2400+ called "HighSpeed" and my Athlon X2 6000+ called "SuperSpeed". |
| [03:40:55] | sphery: | after all, it makes so much sense to call the slowest one FullSpeed |
| [03:40:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Gee, they couldn't have fit one more in there (or one less?) ;-) |
| [03:41:01] | wagnerrp: | i hit the power button on alice478, only to find alice479 has now gone offline |
| [03:41:33] | kormoc: | sphery: you can blame Picard for that, he always said full speed ahead and then complained to Geordy to get him more speed.... |
| [03:41:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehe... that would make my current backend 'SuperSpeed" ;-) |
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| [03:42:51] | wagnerrp: | my first computer was named shitbox.... i couldnt figure out a way to continue with that convention though.... |
| [03:42:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Doh! ;-) Maybe you could implement 'wake-on-lan'? ;-) (you didn't see the power light?!? ;-) ) |
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| [03:43:04] | sphery: | kormoc: ah, so USB is just about 400 years ahead of their time... |
| [03:43:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Piece of... Pile of... ;-) |
| [03:43:40] | wagnerrp: | an old P1 200, effectively dumpster dived |
| [03:44:12] | kormoc: | My first computer was named Vic-20, with a massive 20 k of ram. Never could fill that sucker... |
| [03:44:22] | wagnerrp: | filled with hard drives |
| [03:44:40] | wagnerrp: | it was the computer equivalent of someone driving down the road in an old beater with a $2K stereo |
| [03:44:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Gee, mine was a Timex-Sinclair 1000... 4k onboard, 16k expansion... B&W RF interface to a TV. ;-) |
| [03:45:15] | kormoc: | I had a black and green output to a tv! |
| [03:45:17] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: first you owned? or first you used? |
| [03:45:46] | wagnerrp: | first you had at the house as a kid |
| [03:46:10] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: I owned it. The story goes when my Grandfather found out my mother was pregnant (I was the first born), he went out a bought a top of the line computer, as no grand kid of his wouldn't grow up not knowing bout them! |
| [03:46:22] | kormoc: | so yeah, I officially was given it when I was -6 months or so |
| [03:47:06] | iamlindoro: | contrast that with me, who at age six was working on a DOS word processor on my dad's PC and ran to my mother to ask what I was supposed to do, because I was running out of screen |
| [03:47:10] | iamlindoro: | :D |
| [03:47:49] | wagnerrp: | ah, we had an old 8088 that we got about the same time i was born |
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| [03:47:59] | wagnerrp: | but i didnt have my 'own' computer until i started college |
| [03:48:14] | jblack: | who was it that was talking yesterday about car accidents and bridges? |
| [03:48:19] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar |
| [03:48:39] | wagnerrp: | close to getting flattened on his scooter by a flying SUV |
| [03:49:03] | jblack: | I have a story for him. A woman crashed her car on a bridge. Having survived that, she got out, and fell off the bridge |
| [03:49:21] | wagnerrp: | having survived that, she got hit by a semi? |
| [03:49:22] | kormoc: | Karma? |
| [03:49:44] | jblack: | just a case in which vehicular speed wasn't a factor. :) |
| [03:50:32] | wagnerrp: | i disagree |
| [03:50:50] | wagnerrp: | were she going faster, she may have gone over in an intact vehicle to cushion her fall |
| [03:51:28] | wagnerrp: | listen everyone, speed saves! |
| [03:52:21] | jblack: | Ok. Fine. If daddy had pulled out slightly quicker, she wouldn't have gotten into an accident at all due to non-existance. |
| [03:53:02] | wagnerrp: | remember kids, prevent death, use protection |
| [03:53:07] | wagnerrp: | its the only way to be sure |
| [03:53:27] | jblack: | hell. Given enough time, it's the _only_ way to avoid an inevitable death. |
| [03:56:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | Did you guys hear the recent study that said 100% of all people who drink water will eventually die? |
| [03:56:48] | jblack: | I believe it. In sufficient concentrations, it's toxic in the short term. |
| [03:57:33] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: dihydrogen monoxide is lethal! |
| [03:58:01] | wagnerrp: | www.dhmo.org |
| [03:59:42] | wagnerrp: | in a more realistic scenario... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16614865/ |
| [04:00:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehe... ;-) just a fancy name for H2O ;-) |
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| [04:02:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dihydrogen_monoxide_hoax |
| [04:04:37] | iamlindoro: | http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /264409.html |
| [04:04:41] | iamlindoro: | That is freaking obnoxious |
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| [04:10:01] | wagnerrp: | is that some generic background you had to put on there? or is it pulling a random image for a directory? |
| [04:10:25] | iamlindoro: | default uses the background from the theme it falls back from |
| [04:10:30] | iamlindoro: | so the guy is using Blue |
| [04:10:36] | iamlindoro: | which tells you something about his crap taste |
| [04:10:37] | wagnerrp: | no, your screen |
| [04:10:44] | iamlindoro: | oh, randomized |
| [04:10:48] | iamlindoro: | from a backgrounds dir |
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| [04:12:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: jeeze, side-to-side with 0.21-fixes, the only difference is they appear more like 'buttons' on his scren shot compared to 0.21-fixes- othewise the same content, etc... yikes. |
| [04:12:28] | wagnerrp: | whats better is the reply that he is just going to revert back to before the new UI stuff got added, and leave it there |
| [04:12:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I don't understand his complaint either... And you're right, his 'presentation' of his opinion is rude. |
| [04:15:42] | kormoc: | So.... reply, 'Change your theme and enjoy'? |
| [04:17:21] | iamlindoro: | well, only option really is *write* your theme and enjoy... but I did respond :) |
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| [04:20:36] | kormoc: | ZOMBIE LAND! |
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| [04:21:28] | caturday: | w/part |
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| [04:23:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Your response was excellent IMHO. |
| [04:23:19] | wagnerrp: | you people who used to run framegrabbers, what was a normal bitrate for mjpeg? |
| [04:23:19] | iamlindoro: | thanks... took effort to restrain ;) |
| [04:23:56] | ** J-e-f-f-A NEVER ran a lamegrabber... ;-) (at least on linux/mythtv!) ** | |
| [04:24:16] | iamlindoro: | I think (it was 5–6 years ago) I probably user 4–5 Mbit |
| [04:24:19] | iamlindoro: | er used |
| [04:24:28] | iamlindoro: | maybe even less, I didn't know what I was doing |
| [04:24:38] | iamlindoro: | ("Which is different from now how...?") |
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| [04:26:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | eek... 12:25, I better get to sleep! ;-) ttyl... |
| [04:26:20] | wagnerrp: | so ~35–40:1 compression from raw RGB |
| [04:27:29] | wagnerrp: | so some IP video transmitter doing 1080p60 at ~50mbps (~60:1 compression) is going to look like ass |
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| [04:35:13] | steltho: | Thanks for all your help everyone, I got my remote frontend to work. |
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| [04:37:45] | MarcT: | which table in the database contains the information for the coverfile and fanart for the recorded programs? |
| [04:38:11] | iamlindoro: | covers/fanart for recordings is not in the DB |
| [04:38:30] | MarcT: | hmm. |
| [04:39:02] | MarcT: | ok then what changeset was it that allowed recordings to find via _coverart |
| [04:39:23] | iamlindoro: | Multiple changes, just look at the history on playbackbox.cpp |
| [04:39:34] | MarcT: | ok |
| [04:39:36] | iamlindoro: | in short, anything downloaded by mythvideo is a valid format for the hunt |
| [04:39:42] | iamlindoro: | or title.jpg/png/gif |
| [04:39:50] | iamlindoro: | or the seriesid.jpg/png/gif |
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| [04:44:05] | wagnerrp: | aufs is working |
| [04:44:10] | ** wagnerrp is having fun now ** | |
| [04:48:45] | MarcT: | iamlindoro this is what is throwing me off. I'm using 21843 at the moment. 21784 was supposed to add _coverart etc to the hunt list. But none of my watch recordings are finding the images. But as soon as I create a symlink without the _coverart it works..... Maybe I'm not on the version I thought I was. |
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| [04:49:10] | iamlindoro: | maybe, I've definitely tested w/ only _coverart/etc. files present |
| [04:49:26] | iamlindoro: | all my files are strictly according to that format, all my coverart and fanart in the PBB works perfectly |
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| [04:49:31] | MarcT: | I'm gonna update to current trunk |
| [04:50:25] | Matt23: | bleh... why does mythweb hate me? after all we've been through |
| [04:50:25] | iamlindoro: | make sure to clear out your old libs... |
| [04:50:58] | MarcT: | iamlindoro gentoo takes care of all that for me. =p but thanks for the reminder |
| [04:52:38] | Matt23: | Fatal error: Call to undefined function t() in /var/www/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/error.php on line 17 |
| [04:52:46] | Matt23: | meh |
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| [04:52:55] | kormoc: | yeah yeah yeah, I need to fix that |
| [04:53:16] | kormoc: | throwing a fatal when handling a fatal is le-crap |
| [04:53:47] | Matt23: | hm i thought it was a pebkac issue :) anything i can do to kludge it into working? |
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| [04:54:33] | Matt23: | because i can load up a phpinfo.php file with flying colors |
| [04:55:02] | Matt23: | and there endeth my leet skillz. wait..i don't need to do a sites-available thing do i? |
| [04:55:09] | sphery: | Matt23: you need to fix the fatal whose error you can't see because you're missing the translate function (because of hte missing fix) |
| [04:55:22] | Matt23: | er |
| [04:55:22] | kormoc: | give me a minute... |
| [04:55:34] | wagnerrp: | sites-available thing? |
| [04:55:36] | Matt23: | sphery: my cat's name is Mittens! |
| [04:55:54] | Matt23: | oh i c. n/m |
| [04:56:24] | sphery: | kormoc: would something like http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/mythweb-t . . . _error.patch allow him to see the real error? |
| [04:56:56] | Matt23: | wagnerrp yah i'm relatively new to these super streamlined apache environemnts (like debian has) ...i'm an old dude who just likes a regular config file, and not the same functionality spread across 17 other files :) |
| [04:57:03] | Matt23: | old dog..new tricks i guess |
| [04:58:12] | wagnerrp: | yeah, im happy with my homebrewed virtual server setup |
| [04:58:38] | kormoc: | sphery: sadly, not, as if could be what's throwing the error :( |
| [04:58:46] | kormoc: | I didn't think it fully when I added that |
| [04:58:46] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [04:59:04] | wagnerrp: | streamlined setups where everything 'just works' are great... until they dont |
| [04:59:07] | sphery: | just figured I'd throw it up just in case it allowed him to work around it |
| [04:59:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: *cough*Windows*cough* |
| [04:59:46] | Matt23: | btw i'm on 21881 fwiw |
| [04:59:50] | sphery: | great when it works, but then I don't want a thing to do with it. |
| [04:59:59] | sphery: | Matt23: yeah, that's been around for a while. |
| [05:01:06] | Matt23: | ah ok, yeah i was stumped by this last week and saw someone else on the list with a similar error but i didn't get very far |
| [05:01:29] | Matt23: | then due to a virus infecting my multi-boot (windoze) i had to rebuild my system |
| [05:01:37] | sphery: | yeah, again, it's just trying to tell you your system is improperly configured, but it's having a problem "finding the words" |
| [05:01:44] | wagnerrp: | hehe... viruses |
| [05:01:45] | Matt23: | doh |
| [05:02:00] | Matt23: | hrm. ok let me review the install again, maybe i'm missing some php binding ? |
| [05:02:33] | kormoc: | Matt 23: svn up and try again? |
| [05:02:41] | Matt23: | sure thing |
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| [05:05:21] | Matt23: | the deuce you say! |
| [05:05:25] | Matt23: | Fatal error: require() [function.require]: Failed opening required 'modules/_shared/tmpl/tmpl/header.php' (include_path='.:/usr/share/php:/usr/share/pear') in /var/www/mythweb/modules/_shared/tmpl/_errors/error.php on line 23 |
| [05:05:46] | Matt23: | should i hardwire an include path? |
| [05:05:57] | Matt23: | btw...Updated to revision 21884. |
| [05:06:05] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [05:06:10] | kormoc: | tmpl tmpl eh |
| [05:06:12] | ** kormoc peers ** | |
| [05:06:30] | Matt23: | i feel like this has to be some dopey setup thing i'm missing |
| [05:06:45] | wagnerrp: | moment of truth |
| [05:06:48] | ** wagnerrp hits the power button ** | |
| [05:07:18] | Matt23: | not that.. for g0d's sake, strap yourself down! |
| [05:07:23] | kormoc: | Matt23: svn up and try again? |
| [05:07:31] | Matt23: | si will do |
| [05:08:32] | wagnerrp: | anyone know if jfs writes anything to disk when run in read-only mode? |
| [05:09:02] | wagnerrp: | specifically, can i run multiple machines off one base partition if theyre all read-only |
| [05:09:10] | Matt23: | oh ffs |
| [05:09:10] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: iirc it will finish a journal replay if there's a pending one before mounting RO, but thats it afaik |
| [05:09:18] | Matt23: | this is embarrassing |
| [05:09:59] | ** Matt23 kills self ** | |
| [05:10:01] | Matt23: | ..a lot |
| [05:10:30] | Matt23: | see this is why i like compiling things myself |
| [05:12:24] | Matt23: | so yeahhhh kormoc |
| [05:12:47] | Matt23: | your change gave me a very clear error. too clear... |
| [05:13:04] | kormoc: | I'm on the edge of my seat... oh what could it be... |
| [05:13:40] | Matt23: | basically in a very nice way it told me to please get a f-ing clue and install the php mysql mod |
| [05:13:55] | Matt23: | i think you should change it to say something along those lines |
| [05:15:13] | wagnerrp: | oof... my kernel tree seems to have flushed itself |
| [05:15:14] | Matt23: | i'm running on debian and yknow debian..if it can be compiled..why shouldn't it be its own package? |
| [05:15:30] | Matt23: | apt-get install hello-world |
| [05:15:31] | wagnerrp: | im compiling far more than just adding a new initramfs |
| [05:15:32] | Matt23: | apt-get install hello-world-dev |
| [05:16:00] | Matt23: | so kormoc, thank you for fixing up the error reporting so it could tell me what a jedi dumbass i am :) |
| [05:16:22] | kormoc: | Glad I could share some enlightenment |
| [05:16:45] | Matt23: | you're too kind :D |
| [05:17:01] | Matt23: | now to check for any other modules that are dangling in space |
| [05:17:12] | Matt23: | ok..got pcre |
| [05:17:57] | Matt23: | and session..and posix..and json ..whew |
| [05:18:18] | wagnerrp: | you know... i bet this is going to require building all my external modules too |
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| [05:21:57] | ** Matt23 feels about as sharp as a sack of wet mice ** | |
| [05:22:02] | Matt23: | (-F. Leghorn) |
| [05:22:18] | Matt23: | ok cool well now onto configuring my jump keys..woot |
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| [05:24:38] | Matt23: | Space Free: 1,655,484 MB |
| [05:24:44] | Matt23: | yes one day raid 0 will bite me in the ass |
| [05:24:53] | Matt23: | til then, it's peanut butter jelly time! |
| [05:31:33] | wagnerrp: | attempt number two |
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| [05:32:40] | Matt23: | doh! |
| [05:32:44] | Matt23: | Warning: |
| [05:32:46] | Matt23: | Many settings pages have very little error checking. You can easily screw things up if you're not careful, and short of restoring the database from a backup, there is no way to undo your changes |
| [05:32:52] | ** Matt23 backs that backup ** | |
| [05:40:41] | steltho: | Is the cpu-- playback profile usually the best one for low end machines. |
| [05:40:50] | kormoc: | slim |
| [05:41:42] | Matt23: | i'll have to try building svn with xvmc again..blew up on me last time |
| [05:42:00] | kormoc: | Don't bother with XvMC |
| [05:43:17] | steltho: | Does XvMC rely more on the graphics card? |
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| [05:43:40] | kormoc: | XvMC is hardware mpeg2 motion correction offloading to the GPU, yes |
| [05:44:25] | Matt23: | don't bother? aww |
| [05:44:33] | steltho: | If I have a video card capable of doing this, shouldn't I be taking advantage of my GPU. |
| [05:45:23] | kormoc: | It's unlikely to be significant and removes the ability for other things to work (auto letter box detection, etc) |
| [05:46:39] | wagnerrp: | anything ath64 or core2 does not require xvmc |
| [05:46:48] | steltho: | Ok, what is the best way to debug performance issues, currently my video playback briefly freezes every 2 or 3 seconds. |
| [05:47:08] | kormoc: | switch to the slim video playback profile and see if that fixes it? |
| [05:47:43] | sphery: | and if you have a system that requires XvMC for playback, upgrade the system |
| [05:47:52] | Matt23: | <wagnerrp> anything ath64 or core2 does not require xvmc |
| [05:47:55] | sphery: | steltho: see, also, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause |
| [05:48:02] | Matt23: | yeah i remember seeing entries to that effect in the wiki somewhere |
| [05:48:09] | Matt23: | but now they seem to be gone (?) |
| [05:48:38] | Matt23: | i remember checking it out because the person reporting no problems with hd playback was using the same mobo as i am... asus m2npv-vm |
| [05:48:43] | sphery: | oh, if it's Athlon 64 or Core 2, it's /definitely/ plenty for SDTV and likely good for HDTV MPEG-2. It /might/ even be good enough for HDTV H.264. |
| [05:49:19] | wagnerrp: | any ath64 or core2 (aside from some very low power mobile chips) will be sufficient for HD mpeg2 |
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| [05:50:12] | wagnerrp: | attempt three... |
| [05:50:44] | Matt23: | cool. yeah i was leaning toward a 1MB l2 cache x2..there are a few |
| [05:50:59] | Matt23: | but i settled on the 5050e with its 45W tdp and 2.6ghz woot etc |
| [05:51:11] | Matt23: | er tpd |
| [05:52:09] | steltho: | I am trying to run my frontend on a 650 Mhz Pentium III with 256 MB ram, is this machine good enough? |
| [05:52:16] | wagnerrp: | likely not |
| [05:52:21] | wagnerrp: | what are you wanting to play? |
| [05:52:58] | steltho: | I am just watching broadcast tv. |
| [05:53:05] | Matt23: | oof a pentium 3. well for its day it was a great chip..and was still more efficiently laid out than the p4..bleh |
| [05:53:06] | wagnerrp: | again... what are you wanting to play? |
| [05:53:32] | steltho: | I think it is an MPEG-2 stream. |
| [05:53:43] | kormoc: | hd? |
| [05:53:46] | wagnerrp: | oregon... so youre an ATSC user |
| [05:53:51] | wagnerrp: | that chip is not going to cut it |
| [05:53:55] | sphery: | Matt23: 5050e is a great chip |
| [05:55:22] | steltho: | Is there any way to offload more of the processing work onto the backend? |
| [05:55:43] | sphery: | steltho: if you mean broadcast TV that's broadcast as ATSC, then received by one of the digital converter boxes I bought for the country (with my tax dollars) and output via s-video/composite to an analog capture card, it's /maybe/ possible to get it working |
| [05:56:02] | sphery: | steltho: but it will cost you a /ton/ of time and effort and the end result will be virtually unusable. |
| [05:56:23] | wagnerrp: | ....seems trying to boot over iscsi is not possible when your kernel does not have its NIC drivers |
| [05:56:31] | sphery: | steltho: or, for $150 or so, you could get a new CPU/motherboard/RAM and actually /enjoy/ Myth |
| [05:56:50] | sphery: | steltho: if that's more than you're willing to spend, then Myth probably isn't the right choice for you |
| [05:56:53] | Matt23: | sphery yeah heh i remember you being unhappy it was gone :( |
| [05:56:54] | wagnerrp: | oof... that one DOES mean ill have to recompile modules |
| [05:56:55] | steltho: | Well I have other machines, but I was hoping I could set it up on this old laptop I don't use. |
| [05:57:15] | sphery: | steltho: and you might have better luck with a Windows-based PVR, since you're more likely to get GPU support there |
| [05:57:36] | wagnerrp: | steltho: a midrange athxp or p4 with xvmc will manage HD mpeg2 |
| [05:57:51] | wagnerrp: | but a p3, not a chance |
| [05:58:00] | Matt23: | love that memory bandwidth on the athlon/k8 |
| [05:58:03] | sphery: | Matt23: Yeah... There's a piece missing from my life, now... My beloved 5050e... |
| [05:58:11] | Matt23: | finally the i7 can do the same |
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| [05:58:27] | Matt23: | sphery.. sorry to hear.. no close seconds to that chip for you? |
| [05:58:39] | steltho: | I don't think it is HD mpeg2, I think my stream is just regular mpeg2. |
| [05:58:54] | wagnerrp: | steltho: it doesnt matter, its a digital stream |
| [05:59:03] | wagnerrp: | you get the resolution the broadcaster sends to you |
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| [05:59:10] | sphery: | Matt23: starting to consider some of the 65W TDP ones... I'd love a few more 45W TDP chips, but don't know when we'll see them. |
| [05:59:21] | wagnerrp: | which means most of the channels you want to watch are going to be 12+ mbps |
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| [05:59:29] | wagnerrp: | and well outside the reach of that P3 |
| [05:59:46] | sphery: | DVD is probably outside the reach of that P3 |
| [05:59:47] | steltho: | I didn't think my capture card could deal with HD imput. |
| [05:59:53] | wagnerrp: | the only thing youre going to be able to watch are the weather secondaries, and subchannels on PBS stations |
| [06:00:05] | sphery: | steltho: what capture card? |
| [06:00:09] | wagnerrp: | steltho: are you completely against spending any money on this thing? |
| [06:00:26] | wagnerrp: | $150 will get you *nice* replacement parts for a new frontend |
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| [06:00:46] | steltho: | I have wintv-pvr-usb2 from hauppauge. |
| [06:01:04] | kormoc: | Annnnnddddddd how are you getting broadcast with it? |
| [06:01:05] | wagnerrp: | well then youre not capturing broadcast tv |
| [06:01:17] | sphery: | with the converter box we bought him |
| [06:01:27] | wagnerrp: | thats not true, there are a handful of low power and moonlighting stations he could be watching |
| [06:01:30] | sphery: | (we = US taxpayers, and, yes, I'm assuming) |
| [06:02:00] | steltho: | I don't have a converter box yet, but there are a few city-grade/low power stations I can get. |
| [06:02:22] | wagnerrp: | spend $200, get a nice machine, get a nice digital tuner, be done with all this hassle |
| [06:02:57] | kormoc: | live a happy, fulfilled life... |
| [06:03:07] | steltho: | If I used a converter box, then I lose the HD quality of the broadcast, right? |
| [06:03:11] | Matt23: | sphery .. is amd ending the x2 ? newegg barely carries any now! |
| [06:03:15] | kormoc: | yes |
| [06:03:45] | sphery: | Matt23: Phenom II x2 |
| [06:04:07] | kormoc: | or x3 or x4 |
| [06:04:07] | wagnerrp: | yes, and you have to buy a converter box, and an IR blaster (does the blaster on the usbpvr2 work?), and fiddle around with getting the blaster working, and deal with a bunch of crap nuisances of dealing with an ir blaster and a box.... |
| [06:06:12] | steltho: | I'll tinker without a little bit, but if I have to I can use the same machine for my backend and frontend. My backend is a powerful 1.5 Ghz celeron M. |
| [06:06:30] | sphery: | Matt23: the Athlon II X2 Regor chips actually look pretty nice. Only downside is they're 65W |
| [06:06:38] | steltho: | s/without/with it/ |
| [06:06:48] | Matt23: | sphery ..pardon the paste..but it seems like you can still get the 5050e out there in places... http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en& . . . p;sa=title#p |
| [06:06:49] | wagnerrp: | steltho: no it isnt |
| [06:06:57] | Matt23: | oh that wasn't too long heh |
| [06:06:58] | wagnerrp: | your backend is a 1.5GHz Celeron M |
| [06:07:04] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing 'powerful' about it |
| [06:07:23] | kormoc: | but why would you want to when there's Intel around? ;) |
| [06:07:58] | Matt23: | the i7 should be able to shred software en/decoding |
| [06:07:59] | wagnerrp: | however at least for a backend with digital tuners and mpeg capture devices, you dont need a lot of power |
| [06:08:09] | Matt23: | now that they finally wised up and went on-die mmu |
| [06:08:47] | kormoc: | Meh, it's not like the MMU was that much of a bottleneck, disk io is more the issue |
| [06:09:08] | Matt23: | doh nevermind..all those links say 'unavailable' it seems :( |
| [06:09:10] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: depends on your problem set |
| [06:10:08] | sphery: | kormoc: some of us buy appropriately-powerful CPU's for the job at hand that don't have the "Best-in-class" markup. :) |
| [06:11:11] | wagnerrp: | last time we benchmarked systems for a purchase, 2 cores increased performance by 80% over 1 core, 4 cores increased performance another 20% over 2 cores |
| [06:11:15] | sphery: | in other words, I'm not willing to pay for an i7/i5/Core 2 |
| [06:11:15] | kormoc: | sphery: heh, I tend to go fairly light too, lower class core2's are great and cheap imho |
| [06:11:24] | Matt23: | kormoc yeah a lot of bytes to push in and out of the disk. heh we had a guy out from EMC recently pitching SSD drives big time |
| [06:11:36] | Matt23: | they're 8x the cost, but 30x the performance!! |
| [06:11:43] | wagnerrp: | IO wasnt an issue, we werent touching the hard drives |
| [06:11:52] | wagnerrp: | we were just choking on the FSB |
| [06:11:57] | kormoc: | show me a SSD with 30x the performance and I'll eat my hat |
| [06:12:14] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: yeah, you're not doing video encoding I'd wager |
| [06:12:16] | wagnerrp: | does it have to be one that is only 8x as expensive? |
| [06:12:17] | Matt23: | hey now how do we know you don't have one of those tasty 100% hemp hats? |
| [06:12:24] | Matt23: | ok well maybe you can smoke your hat |
| [06:12:52] | wagnerrp: | i mean, can i give you 30x the performance at 30x the cost? |
| [06:13:05] | steltho: | Thanks for your help, I'll see what I can do. |
| [06:13:09] | kormoc: | heh, as a single device? |
| [06:13:37] | Matt23: | sphery..ah here we go. and gouge-priced to match the market.. |
| [06:13:38] | Matt23: | http://www.compu-america.com/athlonx25050eam2-u34404.html |
| [06:13:49] | wagnerrp: | ive seen some PCIe attached units pushing ~1.5GB/s |
| [06:14:19] | sphery: | Matt23: nice... that one must be 2x as good as the others. |
| [06:14:21] | kormoc: | we're talking a single device that'd do 2.2 gb/sec reads minimum and 1.3 gb/sec writes minimum |
| [06:14:21] | wagnerrp: | thats 30x the performance of the inner track of a rotating drive |
| [06:14:40] | Matt23: | sphery: hehe it's a virtual 4 core when you pay that much |
| [06:14:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: after disabling the HDD cache? |
| [06:14:44] | kormoc: | current drives? |
| [06:15:07] | wagnerrp: | or are you talking about expensive 15K drives, and not plebeian 7.2K ones? |
| [06:16:35] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: my WD black 1 TB's have a measured (with h2benchw) of 85 mb/sec read and write, that's a 7.2k drive |
| [06:16:52] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: max of 106 mb/sec, min of 54.2, avg 85 |
| [06:16:53] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: across the whole platter? |
| [06:17:06] | wagnerrp: | yeah, that 54.2 was the one i was getting at |
| [06:17:24] | wagnerrp: | attempt four... |
| [06:18:16] | Matt23: | ah no worries, you can use 7.2k drives |
| [06:18:20] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: even so, 54.2 megabytes * 30 = 1.6 gigabytes per second, I *really* doubt any single device SSD can even approach that given folks are getting excited about the soon to be released one that promises 200 mb/sec reads... |
| [06:18:30] | Matt23: | just put 48 in a box and raid across them via iSCSI |
| [06:18:31] | Matt23: | http://www.sun.com/servers/x64/x4500/ |
| [06:18:47] | Matt23: | sphery would love that power footprint ^ :) |
| [06:18:48] | kormoc: | meh, just use mdadm |
| [06:19:09] | kormoc: | SDDZ is just fun |
| [06:19:12] | sphery: | Matt23: really, who would want to run an Oracle box? |
| [06:19:13] | Matt23: | zfs ftmfw! as the kids say |
| [06:19:13] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: the higher end SSDs are pushing 250MB/s reads (although that may only be until they get fragmented) |
| [06:19:22] | Matt23: | oracle? bah! it's a giant disk array heh |
| [06:19:23] | wagnerrp: | but im talking about a PCIe x8 board |
| [06:19:35] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: yeah, this one is promising 200 mb/sec reads after a year of workload |
| [06:19:37] | sphery: | Oracle Fire X4500 Server? |
| [06:19:40] | sphery: | right? |
| [06:19:53] | kormoc: | (Oracle owns sun, remember?) |
| [06:19:54] | Matt23: | ohh heh |
| [06:19:55] | wagnerrp: | the oracle buyout go through? |
| [06:20:00] | ** Matt23 is still in d-nile ** | |
| [06:20:01] | kormoc: | not yet, still pending |
| [06:20:13] | sphery: | yeah, the Euros are a bit worried |
| [06:20:15] | kormoc: | I'm waiting for Oracle to buy the UK |
| [06:20:18] | wagnerrp: | anyway, the only reason SSDs dont go faster is because the bus doesnt go faster |
| [06:20:51] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: nah, it's not the bus really, it's more the fact they emulate a standard block device rather then something actually designed for their performance style |
| [06:20:52] | wagnerrp: | no reason to overdesign a controller when the bus cant handle it |
| [06:20:59] | Matt23: | oh yeah now it's the 4540 ... Highest throughput rates (2.0GB/s from disks to network, 3.0GB/s to memory) |
| [06:21:00] | Matt23: | mm tasty |
| [06:21:38] | Matt23: | poor sun..if only they'd pushed their x86 stuff earlier |
| [06:21:39] | wagnerrp: | Matt23: did they put 10gpbs uplinks on that thing now? |
| [06:21:46] | Matt23: | and ditched the ponytail guy |
| [06:22:19] | Matt23: | good q |
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| [06:24:59] | Matt23: | A cluster of 43 Sun Fire X4540 servers, each powered by two AMD Opteron 2356 2.3 GHz processors, running ParAccel Analytic Database on Sun OpenSolaris 2009.06 achieved a result of 1,050,556.20 QphH @30000GB |
| [06:25:12] | Matt23: | and managed to kill 1000 manatees from its co2 impact alone |
| [06:25:16] | Matt23: | but whatta ride |
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| [06:25:39] | wagnerrp: | killing manatees is like clubbing baby cows |
| [06:25:46] | wagnerrp: | no one admits to doing it, but its so much fun |
| [06:25:48] | kormoc: | Tasty? |
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| [06:26:45] | Matt23: | wagnerrp heh |
| [06:27:54] | sphery: | I like how many in the UK are getting upset over the new Met Office building because--with its supercomputers--its carbon footprint is one of the highest in the UK. |
| [06:28:25] | Matt23: | they should cover it with solar and wind crap at least make a dent |
| [06:29:12] | Matt23: | hmm can i speed up the response of my menus to my lil hauppauge remote by changing the 'repeat' value in lircrc? |
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| [06:41:47] | juski: | sphery: not me :) |
| [06:44:07] | juski: | _ben: re that OSD theme being borked – I won't be fixing it |
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| [06:47:16] | juski: | I've already made more than a 'few' concessions to the 'I've had enough, no more maintenance work on those crap themes' stance. I don't want to be supporting them forever |
| [06:47:38] | juski: | if that means I should never have made them, so be it |
| [06:48:02] | Matt23: | mythui ...long live the new flesh |
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| [06:50:42] | juski: | yeah well neither of the new core themes push all my buttons so I might have to do something eventually |
| [06:51:44] | iamlindoro: | don't forget, mine isn't a core theme since it uses the forbidden fruit |
| [06:51:53] | iamlindoro: | and it's ugly without it, the boss said so |
| [06:52:04] | juski: | graphite? |
| [06:52:06] | iamlindoro: | (to be fair, he's also said it's ugly with it) |
| [06:52:08] | iamlindoro: | yes |
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| [06:52:16] | juski: | what forbidden fruit? |
| [06:52:19] | wagnerrp: | forbidden fruit |
| [06:52:21] | wagnerrp: | ? |
| [06:52:45] | wagnerrp: | man, ive got sphery disease... always a step behind on the response |
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| [06:52:59] | FR^2: | forbidden fruit? Wasn't there something about adam and his apple or such? |
| [06:53:04] | iamlindoro: | the curse of fancy images |
| [06:53:12] | juski: | eh? |
| [06:53:13] | iamlindoro: | The boss man thinks they're stupid |
| [06:53:14] | Matt23: | heh i still love Retro |
| [06:53:15] | iamlindoro: | fanart |
| [06:53:19] | iamlindoro: | coverart |
| [06:53:21] | iamlindoro: | screenshots |
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| [06:53:22] | iamlindoro: | banners |
| [06:53:27] | juski: | great, let's languish in 0.18 then |
| [06:53:31] | iamlindoro: | The unholy quadrinity |
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| [06:53:49] | sphery: | what forbidden fruit? |
| [06:53:52] | iamlindoro: | juski, More or less my thoughts about the matter |
| [06:53:58] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Didn't we just cover this? |
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| [06:54:09] | sphery: | (joke... that's my step-behind response for wagnerrp :) |
| [06:54:19] | iamlindoro: | har har |
| [06:54:39] | juski: | I still can't make up my mind whether or not I'll use cover images etc that much – I don't keep stuff around long enough to benefit from it really |
| [06:54:50] | juski: | but that's not saying we shouldn't have it |
| [06:55:13] | iamlindoro: | IMO we need to get the backend downloading it, insrting it in the DB, and cleaning up after recordings |
| [06:55:15] | iamlindoro: | (optionally) |
| [06:55:16] | juski: | I'm certainly not arsed about screenshots or preview images |
| [06:55:49] | juski: | aye it'll have to be automagic on some level. I can't see me keeping up updating it all the time myself |
| [06:56:18] | iamlindoro: | Well, Jamu does a damn good job of it for now |
| [06:56:28] | iamlindoro: | (as a cron job) but it would be better to have the BE handle it |
| [06:56:36] | juski: | was thinking about how to crossfade backgrounds.. with current mythui it wouldn't be nice |
| [06:56:42] | wagnerrp: | cleaning up after recordings? |
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| [06:57:05] | juski: | wagnerrp: like deleting orphaned artwork perhaps |
| [06:57:13] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [06:57:28] | iamlindoro: | juski, Hope you have some ideas on that score |
| [06:57:35] | juski: | iamlindoro: I don't |
| [06:58:01] | wagnerrp: | well artwork cleanup is of limited concern |
| [06:58:28] | wagnerrp: | at a couple MB maximum (more likely a couple hundred KB), its not like that stuff will build up fast |
| [06:58:33] | juski: | as far as something like xcfading backgrounds is concerned, even mythui doesn't go far enough |
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| [06:58:54] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Fanart + Coverart + banner for one item is easily 1 MB |
| [06:59:05] | iamlindoro: | (when decent art exists) |
| [06:59:12] | wagnerrp: | which means even for a large library, thats going to amount to a couple GB |
| [06:59:17] | wagnerrp: | one recording worth |
| [06:59:23] | iamlindoro: | Which is more than enough for the little bitches out there to get pissed about |
| [06:59:46] | juski: | it's not the size of files people will be bothered about |
| [06:59:56] | iamlindoro: | The mess, too |
| [07:00:01] | juski: | it'd be the fact they're *there* when they're not needed |
| [07:00:04] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [07:00:22] | wagnerrp: | but its a directory you should never look at |
| [07:00:38] | iamlindoro: | That wouldn't make a damn bit of difference to them |
| [07:00:42] | wagnerrp: | they dont seem to care about all the extra cruft that comes in their linux distro that theyll never use |
| [07:00:45] | juski: | there was talk of the backend doing more housekeeping itself, including cleaning up orphan recording files & db entries IIRC – it could be included in that |
| [07:00:53] | iamlindoro: | it constantly growing and leaving orphans would bug people, and TBH, it would bug me too |
| [07:00:59] | juski: | me too |
| [07:01:15] | juski: | not in a big way, nothing to lose sleep over |
| [07:01:19] | iamlindoro: | anyway, off to bed |
| [07:01:24] | juski: | nn |
| [07:01:32] | sphery: | does jamu work as a user job |
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| [07:01:33] | wagnerrp: | well my several years of distfiles and source packages building up on my hard drive bugs me too |
| [07:01:39] | iamlindoro: | sphery, it can if you want it to |
| [07:01:42] | sphery: | for downloading metadata for recordings |
| [07:01:42] | wagnerrp: | but not enough to motivate me to do anything about it |
| [07:01:46] | sphery: | cool |
| [07:01:55] | iamlindoro: | sphery, it only download iamges for recordings, no textual info |
| [07:02:09] | wagnerrp: | has anyone been talking about making user jobs not bound to a recording? |
| [07:02:11] | sphery: | metaimages, then |
| [07:02:29] | iamlindoro: | but I just cron it every 30 minutes... if nothing is necessary, it does nothing-- if something is recorded or upcoming, it grabs what I need (and it has a cleanup job too) |
| [07:03:09] | sphery: | I'd probably cron it daily (it looks ahead at upcoming recordings, right?) |
| [07:03:24] | juski: | iamlindoro: ah, I just flashed on something. Heh |
| [07:03:47] | iamlindoro: | sphery, yeah |
| [07:03:49] | iamlindoro: | juski, hmm? |
| [07:03:49] | juski: | man, I wish I could just openly work on myth while I'm at work |
| [07:04:10] | juski: | iamlindoro: just a thought – it might not be so bad adding a BG xfade effect |
| [07:04:24] | iamlindoro: | neat |
| [07:04:27] | iamlindoro: | now, for reallies, to bed |
| [07:04:45] | sphery: | juski: are we talking an Intersect flash? |
| [07:05:11] | juski: | there could be a case put in the drawing stuff – which might result in a restriction on the naming of the image area (i.e. call it BACKGROUND) – but it'd simplify things a bit |
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| [07:06:21] | juski: | actually maybe wouldn't even need a naming restriction |
| [07:07:00] | Dibblah: | juski: Did you see the "we need theme scripting" stuff in #mythtv? |
| [07:07:10] | juski: | no |
| [07:07:18] | juski: | what was that about? |
| [07:07:39] | Dibblah: | (04:04:46) Chutt: if you have the behavior of the window in a script, instead of code, that should simplify things quite a bit |
| [07:07:50] | juski: | don't tell me... automagical dicking about with XML files for stupid downloading scripts rather than doing proper coding |
| [07:07:52] | Dibblah: | (Specifically talking about guidegrid, but... |
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| [07:08:15] | Dibblah: | (04:05:11) Chutt: and allow for more customization, without having to code for it |
| [07:08:26] | juski: | what kind of 'script' ? |
| [07:08:47] | Matt23: | wow changing 'repeat' from 3 to 1 in .lircrc works wonders |
| [07:08:55] | Matt23: | why didn't i do this 4 years ago? |
| [07:08:56] | juski: | personally, at first glance it sounds like a daft idea |
| [07:08:56] | Matt23: | lame |
| [07:09:21] | wagnerrp: | Matt23: because when you pressed the down arrow once, it scrolled through 2–3 items |
| [07:09:41] | juski: | that's what the *delay* value is for :) |
| [07:09:47] | Matt23: | heh i suppose..but on the EPG it's pretty sweet :) |
| [07:10:09] | Matt23: | oh well i dunno it seems ok.. 1 isn't 0! well not in this case anyway |
| [07:10:28] | Matt23: | and we all know 0 is evil, a local monk told me |
| [07:10:45] | wagnerrp: | nothing is evil? |
| [07:10:48] | wagnerrp: | or evil is false? |
| [07:10:49] | juski: | Dibblah: oh I know, let's piss on everything people have done so far & just rip out mythui to replace it with HTML5. That ought to do it |
| [07:11:17] | Dibblah: | There's a lot of complexity in mythui that doesn't need to be there if this route is taken. |
| [07:11:20] | Matt23: | wagnerrp nothing is forbidden and everything is permitted and forget all you know..or think you know |
| [07:11:24] | juski: | making theming more like fricking coding! |
| [07:11:33] | Matt23: | yeah a delay of 1.75 would be perfect heh |
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| [07:12:29] | Matt23: | what about that proposal to get Adobe involved so we can have flash and ajax in the menus? |
| [07:12:39] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [07:12:40] | juski: | Dibblah: thing is, that route was available before work on mythui was even started, so why not use it then? |
| [07:12:41] | Matt23: | ok i made that up |
| [07:12:44] | wagnerrp: | something can be said about making development complex and difficult |
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| [07:12:54] | Dibblah: | Cos it's complex to do right. |
| [07:12:55] | wagnerrp: | see Zero Punctuation on Little Big Planet |
| [07:12:56] | kormoc: | Matt23: last person to bring that up was kickbanned... |
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| [07:13:10] | juski: | Dibblah: and it won't make life easier for themers either |
| [07:13:29] | Dibblah: | What about rewriting Myth in Perl? Should only take 1000 lines. |
| [07:13:32] | Matt23: | heh but d00d embedded youtube linkszz!!1 |
| [07:13:33] | Matt23: | etc |
| [07:13:38] | wagnerrp: | i thought it was like 1800 |
| [07:13:56] | Matt23: | on that note..no ASCII-ART theme? |
| [07:14:03] | Matt23: | cmon you know someone's gonna do it |
| [07:14:07] | juski: | WHY |
| [07:14:17] | juski: | there are enough retarded themes already |
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| [07:14:30] | Matt23: | we like to say developmentally challenged thmes, mmlay |
| [07:14:32] | Matt23: | er kay |
| [07:14:35] | wagnerrp: | we need more miley! |
| [07:14:46] | Matt23: | more miley, less cyrus |
| [07:15:03] | juski: | by that token, why isn't there a Hello Kitty theme – copyright & licensing issues aside :P |
| [07:15:16] | Matt23: | great, now it will happen |
| [07:15:21] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [07:15:27] | Matt23: | and when it does you'll say..oh man if only it had been ascii art! |
| [07:15:50] | juski: | ffs. there are none of these things because nobody has got off their fat arse & made them :D |
| [07:16:01] | Matt23: | thank jebus for that one anyway |
| [07:16:18] | Matt23: | er wait don't you need to be on the fat arse to work on myth? there's a lot of sit time |
| [07:16:37] | kormoc: | Dibblah: what's the point? Everything complex would need to be coded anyway, as you'll want hardware acceleration or slow effects... |
| [07:16:45] | juski: | Dibblah: anyway, as soon as somebody says script, I shudder. |
| [07:17:09] | juski: | if they mean behaviour macros.. then yeah maybe |
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| [07:17:52] | juski: | but we'd prolly run the risk of turning mythui xml into what XBMC has for defining the UI stuff. Bleh |
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| [07:18:30] | juski: | and what kormoc said |
| [07:19:16] | kormoc: | and handling threads via theme scripting? (alternative threads for background image loading/etc would be painful...) |
| [07:19:26] | juski: | hey I know, why don't we just code all the theme files in raw opengl code? |
| [07:19:36] | kormoc: | Sure, why not? |
| [07:19:42] | kormoc: | Display lists for the win! |
| [07:20:09] | Matt23: | yeah i'm gonna need some HDR on this menu yeahhhh |
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| [07:22:21] | juski: | like I needed demotivating any more.. that's just done the job nicely |
| [07:22:53] | juski: | benevolent dictatorship my ass |
| [07:23:26] | wagnerrp: | ooh... 21890 looks good |
| [07:23:38] | juski: | or was it a feature request without a patch? :P |
| [07:24:12] | wagnerrp: | commit, not ticket |
| [07:24:15] | juski: | ffs if scripting is really the way 'forwards' just throw everything out & bring in something like clutter |
| [07:24:23] | juski: | wagnerrp: I mean the scripting suggestion |
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| [07:26:20] | [R]: | ok so i had a fresh install of mythbuntu 9.04 and with some work on the kernel for hdpvr... and it was mostly stable iwth vdpau... i just reinstalled and compiled myth myself, used 31 instead of 30 kernel, and its so unstable its unbelivable... i dunno if its the kernel version, or my compiling of myth... |
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| [07:28:32] | _ben: | morning |
| [07:28:53] | _ben: | i seem to be having issues scanning UK freeview, is this a known issue? |
| [07:29:19] | juski: | in what? |
| [07:29:29] | juski: | -fixes or trunk? |
| [07:29:33] | _ben: | trunk |
| [07:30:08] | _ben: | might just be me being new to trunk, let me turn the tv on |
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| [07:31:00] | Matt23: | mreh.. ok tomorrow is ..get alsa:ladcomp working day |
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| [07:31:59] | _ben: | juski: basically i get messages about finding conflicting and non-conflicting DVB channels (and new transports) and a bit unsure how i should be handling them |
| [07:32:23] | juski: | well I'm out. with stupid ideas like theme scripting being put forward by the boss I don't fit in |
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| [07:32:47] | Dibblah: | Oh, dear – I thought it was good news :( |
| [07:32:58] | ebeckers: | goodmorning all, somebody around who's running 0.22 ? |
| [07:33:04] | wagnerrp: | nope |
| [07:33:15] | wagnerrp: | no one here running 0.22 |
| [07:33:22] | ** ebeckers feels alone then ** | |
| [07:33:25] | Matt23: | that would be unsane |
| [07:33:40] | ebeckers: | i got it running pretty good, but it segfaults sometimes |
| [07:33:52] | wagnerrp: | ebeckers: no one currently in this room is running 0.22 |
| [07:34:12] | ** [R] giggles ** | |
| [07:34:25] | ebeckers: | hrmm maybe i should go back to 0.21 then. Dunno if it supports DVB+CAM though... |
| [07:34:35] | wagnerrp: | that includes you |
| [07:34:38] | wagnerrp: | you are in this room |
| [07:34:45] | wagnerrp: | hence, you are not running 0.22 |
| [07:34:50] | ebeckers: | haha |
| [07:34:53] | kormoc: | Go go logic |
| [07:37:30] | Matt23: | hm i wonder if i have to compile my own libasound |
| [07:37:44] | Matt23: | anyone here do the ALSA:ladcomp setup ? |
| [07:37:51] | ** ebeckers had to compile everything, lirc, kernel, mythtv & firedtv drivers :-((( ** | |
| [07:38:14] | kormoc: | ebeckers: want a cookie? |
| [07:38:26] | Matt23: | heh that's how i did myth 4 years ago. but it def helped me learn all the pieces..and then it took me 4 years to forget em all |
| [07:38:58] | ebeckers: | this is my first experience with myth, must say i'm impressed |
| [07:39:25] | ebeckers: | only thing which (i think) sucks is that i cant easily tweak all settings since most are hidden in the sql dbs |
| [07:39:41] | Matt23: | many are available in mythweb now |
| [07:39:53] | Matt23: | and then there's always phpmyadmin :D |
| [07:39:58] | ebeckers: | oh, perhaps time to compile & install that too |
| [07:40:14] | Matt23: | ah mythweb is just a bunch of php..no compiling |
| [07:40:21] | Matt23: | er cept that it's not -just- a bunch of php |
| [07:40:26] | Matt23: | ask kormoc! :) |
| [07:40:46] | kormoc: | There's a fair chunk of perl, css, javascript, html, etc :P |
| [07:40:55] | ebeckers: | some other question, i tried the openGL painter |
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| [07:41:05] | ebeckers: | but when running it, the screen will not refresh anymore |
| [07:41:13] | ebeckers: | QT4 works fine |
| [07:41:17] | ebeckers: | any suggestions? |
| [07:41:27] | ebeckers: | (both 0.21 and 0.22 have this problem for me) |
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| [07:43:18] | sphery: | ebeckers: with maybe 5 exceptions, all the settings are available through the frontend and mythtv-setup settings screens |
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| [07:44:27] | sphery: | and the OpenGL painter's not working sounds like you don't have (proper) OpenGL support in your video drivers (and it's falling back to software GL). |
| [07:44:55] | sphery: | note, though, that the OpenGL renderer (for video rendering) doesn't work and can cause the screen to get stuck (in the released version of Myth, that is) |
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| [07:51:55] | wagnerrp: | sphery: apparently AMD is releasing Phenom 2 X4s, sans L3 and rebranded Athlon II X4s for <$100 |
| [07:52:35] | wagnerrp: | of course the 95w TDP is still a bit steep |
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| [07:53:38] | sphery: | wow... yeah, that's higher than I want for power |
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| [07:53:59] | wagnerrp: | well, double the power for... double the power |
| [07:54:06] | sphery: | heh, true |
| [07:54:29] | wagnerrp: | although the only thing you can really use a quadcore with myth for is BR decoding |
| [07:55:12] | sphery: | yeah, a dual core is about perfect for me--overkill most of the time, but has the extra core for those occasional times when it's useful. |
| [07:55:38] | Matt23: | anyone here using ladspa in myth? |
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| [07:56:21] | kormoc: | Matt23: why would we? |
| [07:56:22] | wagnerrp: | it actually seems to hold its own against the much higher priced low end Intel quad |
| [07:57:07] | Matt23: | well it seems that people are finding it useful as a compressor limiter..and i def will need that for pre-recorded avis etc.. mine was blasting the few times i played some files |
| [07:57:41] | wagnerrp: | the volume button? |
| [07:58:27] | Matt23: | i was at -60 on my amp..still too loud. i'd like to have just one vol control if possible |
| [07:59:10] | Matt23: | http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=19452 |
| [07:59:18] | Matt23: | ^footeo seems to have done it nicely |
| [07:59:34] | Matt23: | but it no worky for me. odd since i can get the device to work with 'aplay' |
| [07:59:47] | wagnerrp: | wrong thread? |
| [07:59:48] | Matt23: | welps it's 1am here i suppose i should sleep heh |
| [08:00:14] | Matt23: | doh |
| [08:00:33] | Matt23: | http://mysettopbox.tv/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=18346 |
| [08:00:40] | Matt23: | heh just a wee bit different number :) |
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| [08:45:04] | oobe: | since mythtv .22 offical release is so close can i upgrade to trunk weekly builds now and transition smoothly when the offical packages come out if so would i need to modify my sources.list |
| [08:45:28] | oobe: | i know its a slightly distro specific question |
| [08:45:38] | oobe: | but im assuming this would work ok |
| [08:46:13] | oobe: | ubuntu jaunty is what i have installed |
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| [08:50:55] | oobe: | is my question too vague? |
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| [08:55:24] | wobler: | I dont get the automated shutdown working after automated start to record something. backend log says assumed auto start as it should, but frontend log allways says mythshutdown --startup returned 1, and mythwelcome starts frontend. I have tried both checking and unchecking the choice in setup "wait for connection before allowing shutdown" or something like that |
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| [08:57:28] | wobler: | I do have a delay in script which starts mythwelcome, to be sure that backend is running before mythwelcome gets started? Might that be the culprit? |
| [08:58:23] | brett__: | I am having problems whereby sometimes a recording does not occur. The backend log says "Starting recording ..." but when I try and view the recording I get "ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1002_20090916182000.mpg' should be local ..." in the log |
| [08:58:31] | brett__: | Is this a problem with my tuners? |
| [08:59:11] | wobler: | How does mythshutdown --startup check the startup reason? From mysql? from backend? |
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| [09:24:41] | messerting: | Hi, I'm running mythtv trunk – is there a way to make the Image Gallery plugin also support MP4 files? |
| [09:26:08] | messerting: | I mean – it plays AVI files just fine – but MP4 is not recognized and I can't find an option for it in the settings menu |
| [09:29:51] | messerting: | Simply renaming the file to .AVI makes it work, ok |
| [09:31:41] | oobe: | add mp4 under file extensions in mythvideo |
| [09:32:11] | messerting: | I see the extensions are hardcoded in QStringList GalleryUtil::GetMovieFilter(void) in the file mythplugins/mythgallery/mythgallery/galleryutil.cpp |
| [09:32:23] | messerting: | oobe – oh, will try that |
| [09:35:19] | messerting: | hm, adding a file type in mythvideo seems to fail – got a lot of empty listings now... |
| [09:39:55] | oobe: | oh well |
| [09:40:32] | oobe: | just use mythvideo |
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| [09:44:14] | anenigma: | I have 3 dvb-t tuners here (in Australia for the record). one picks up 5 local free-to-air channels, one still has buggy drivers, and the third only picks up two 3 local channels. is it possible to attach the first and last tuners to the same video source, but specifiy that adapter3 cannot tune channels X/Y/Z, or something similar? |
| [09:44:34] | anenigma: | uuh that's meant to be two local channels, for the third tuner. |
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| [10:06:22] | anykey_: | anenigma: just create a second video source for the last tuner |
| [10:06:46] | anykey_: | or better: fix the reception ;) |
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| [10:10:53] | brett__: | anyone got any tips for me about my recordings not working? |
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| [10:44:11] | anenigma: | anykey_: yeah i'd love to fix the reception, but it's a rental unit, so my only choice is "buy a powered splitter" |
| [10:44:58] | anenigma: | would a second source give me 2 copies of a channel, or just one? as in, if i tell it to record a show on a specific channel, will it be able to use either adapter? |
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| [11:04:38] | Wobler: | I've been using a script to delay mythwelcome until backend is up (at boot). Might this line in the script be enough to count as connection to backend? wget -q http://localhost:6544 -O /dev/null |
| [11:06:11] | Wobler: | I have been unable to get the box to shutdown automatically after automatic startup for recording. BE log shows that boot was automatic, FE shows that it was manual. |
| [11:07:00] | Wobler: | How can I check that BE is up, without triggering the auto shutdown routine? |
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| [11:46:09] | oobe: | ps aux | grep mythfrontend |
| [11:46:48] | MarcT: | iamlindoro you awake? |
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| [13:17:50] | Essobi: | Morning. |
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| [14:38:27] | mikasaari: | linda4you |
| [14:39:24] | iamlindoro: | ssh root@mikasaari.home \n linda4you |
| [14:39:29] | iamlindoro: | sorry, wrong window |
| [14:39:51] | jduggan: | lol |
| [14:39:52] | jduggan: | quick |
| [14:39:53] | jduggan: | ghost |
| [14:39:54] | jduggan: | ! |
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| [14:42:22] | juski: | iamlindoro: dunno if you caught my msg earlier or not. I'm offski. Good luck with all your endeavours in future. Same goes to everybody else. Better than just vanishing without a trace |
| [14:42:39] | iamlindoro: | juski, got it, wish you would reconsider but I understand |
| [14:43:15] | juski: | feel like it's a waste of time even trying |
| [14:43:15] | jduggan: | why are you off |
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| [14:45:08] | juski: | jduggan: I'm not gonna bitch about it anymore. Just going |
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| [14:45:20] | _ben: | :/ |
| [14:46:42] | _ben: | mm, http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6867 |
| [14:46:46] | _ben: | seems a weird issue |
| [14:47:27] | jduggan: | he'll be back :( |
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| [15:09:24] | MarcT: | iamlindoro did you get my messages earlier? |
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| [15:33:12] | iamlindoro: | MarcT: Yes, I got your messages earlier (In general it's best to write me in channel rather than PMs please)... Jamu does its best but it's never going to be perfect-- this isn't meant to be the perfect solution, it's just meant to work for now |
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| [15:34:11] | iamlindoro: | And I'm not going to spend a great deal of time trying to get Jamu to download things w/ a naming format that matches the PBB as it's only meant to be a best effort-- for those show where it fails, you should just do it manually for now |
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| [15:38:13] | iamlindoro: | But generally speaking, you probably ought to read the Jamu documentation, particularly as regards the conf file, since that allows you to specify how Schedules Direct names map to TVDB names... |
| [15:38:27] | iamlindoro: | (and please, no PMs in the future for help/feature requests) |
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| [15:40:02] | rooter7: | On compiling mythplugins 0.22-fixes I get, "main.cpp:15:24: error: QApplication: No such file or directory" |
| [15:40:16] | rooter7: | I've installed every -dev I can imagine... |
| [15:40:36] | rooter7: | main.cpp:16:16: error: QDir: No such file or directory |
| [15:40:45] | rooter7: | main.cpp:6:24: error: QApplication: No such file or directory |
| [15:41:00] | wagnerrp: | looks like youre missing bits of qt |
| [15:41:16] | iamlindoro: | he hasn't installed mythtv |
| [15:41:20] | iamlindoro: | and is trying to compile plugins |
| [15:41:24] | rooter7: | Thought so. But would it be a -dev? |
| [15:41:40] | iamlindoro: | rooter7: You need to compile and install the mythtv stuff first |
| [15:41:45] | iamlindoro: | you can't compile plugins until you've done that |
| [15:41:47] | rooter7: | Debian Testing, running QT4 with QT3 compat libs. |
| [15:41:52] | iamlindoro: | and the versions must match |
| [15:42:10] | rooter7: | Have done. mythtv compiles fine, I believe. |
| [15:42:14] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [15:42:16] | wagnerrp: | and installs? |
| [15:42:17] | iamlindoro: | you haven't :) |
| [15:42:23] | rooter7: | Haven't examined the output in detail... |
| [15:42:37] | iamlindoro: | *if* you compiled the mythtv part, it failed |
| [15:42:49] | iamlindoro: | and it definitely didn't get (properly) installed |
| [15:43:01] | wagnerrp: | you should have typed a 'make install', and either it spit out a bunch of garbage about copying files, or it spit out a bunch of errors |
| [15:43:15] | rooter7: | Running it works. And the include mentioned is where it should be. |
| [15:43:16] | wagnerrp: | you dont have to look in any particular detail to figure out whether it worked |
| [15:43:24] | iamlindoro: | can't compile myth wintow QApplication, and can't compile plugins w/o myth |
| [15:43:31] | iamlindoro: | er without |
| [15:44:34] | rooter7: | Was running 0.21-fixes and right before I installed mythtv-0.22-fixes I did a make uninstall. |
| [15:44:54] | rooter7: | Did an svn co to get 0.22-fixes. |
| [15:45:13] | rooter7: | I should have thought that would make a clean install. |
| [15:45:15] | wagnerrp: | oh you stupid stupid notepad |
| [15:45:37] | iamlindoro: | rooter7: That has nothing to do with what you are being told |
| [15:45:51] | wagnerrp: | apparently on win7, if you turn on 'word wrap' in notepad, it makes word wrap permanent in that file |
| [15:45:59] | rooter7: | Just retracing my steps, in case there's a root cause. |
| [15:46:09] | wagnerrp: | it adds CRs into the actual ascii file |
| [15:47:34] | wagnerrp: | did 'make uninstall' from the 0.22 source? from your package manager? |
| [15:47:38] | wagnerrp: | how did you uninstall 0.21? |
| [15:48:25] | rooter7: | Not installed with my package manager. Did make uninstall from source. |
| [15:48:37] | wagnerrp: | from what source? |
| [15:48:45] | rooter7: | 0.22-fixes. |
| [15:48:55] | wagnerrp: | 0.21-fixes? |
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| [15:48:58] | rooter7: | I only ever compile. |
| [15:49:15] | wagnerrp: | what is this 0.22-fixes crap |
| [15:49:21] | wagnerrp: | youve said it three times |
| [15:50:24] | j-rod: | there's a 0.22-fixes svn branch now |
| [15:50:32] | wagnerrp: | it got removed |
| [15:50:32] | gardengnome: | SRSLY? |
| [15:50:34] | gardengnome: | awesome |
| [15:50:38] | gardengnome: | oh. |
| [15:50:43] | rooter7: | svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-22-fixes/ |
| [15:50:45] | wagnerrp: | danielk deleted it last night |
| [15:50:59] | j-rod: | hah |
| [15:50:59] | gardengnome: | why? who created it in the first place? |
| [15:51:03] | wagnerrp: | and i didnt know that branch was actually in use with code yet |
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| [15:51:42] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you uninstalled trunk, you did not uninstall 0.21-fixes |
| [15:51:43] | j-rod: | I believe it was a premature attempt to branch for 0.22 |
| [15:51:58] | wagnerrp: | that 'uninstall' directive deletes files that trunk uses, not everything 0.21 uses |
| [15:51:58] | rooter7: | So should I use only the 0.22 branch? Is 0.22-fixes busted? |
| [15:52:15] | wagnerrp: | 0.22-fixes is non existent, there is only trunk |
| [15:52:27] | _ben: | use trunk |
| [15:52:37] | rooter7: | 0.22 is branched now. Don't use that? |
| [15:52:56] | j-rod: | its unbranched |
| [15:53:18] | rooter7: | I see. Not moving off of 0.21-fixes then... |
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| [15:55:02] | ace__: | hello all, I had a backend computer crash last night and this morning I am unable to start mythfrontend |
| [15:55:40] | ace__: | error returned is "incorrect file format 'displayprofilegroups'" |
| [15:55:55] | iamlindoro: | you have a crashed DB |
| [15:56:05] | ace__: | as I suspected |
| [15:56:16] | ace__: | any suggestions as to how to recover? |
| [15:56:19] | iamlindoro: | So do a repair and restart the abckend and you should be fine |
| [15:56:36] | iamlindoro: | mysqlcheck -umythtv -p mythconverg |
| [15:57:12] | rooter7: | Thanks ppls. |
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| [15:58:27] | ace__: | iamlindoro: the check indicates errors, but does not attempt to fix them |
| [15:59:05] | iamlindoro: | Sure about that? |
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| [15:59:44] | ace__: | iamlindoro: running it a second time gives the same output as the first time |
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| [15:59:58] | iamlindoro: | -r |
| [16:00:02] | iamlindoro: | mysqlcheck -r |
| [16:00:32] | iamlindoro: | -r -uetc. etc. |
| [16:01:09] | ace__: | yeah |
| [16:01:16] | ace__: | tried that, and mysqlrepair as well |
| [16:01:17] | ace__: | mythconverg.archiveitems |
| [16:01:17] | ace__: | Error : Incorrect file format 'archiveitems' |
| [16:01:17] | ace__: | error : Corrupt |
| [16:01:52] | iamlindoro: | Could try truncating that table, but sounds like you've broken the DB but good |
| [16:01:58] | ss1981: | hi, i have a problem with sound... the consolle prints this error: WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [16:02:44] | ace__: | iamlindoro: boo :-/ |
| [16:03:14] | _ben: | you have backups right? |
| [16:04:23] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to force a power cycle on a linux system right now, rather than going through the shutdown procedure |
| [16:05:32] | wagnerrp: | ...guess i just need to make a trip to the basement |
| [16:05:36] | ace__: | _ben: haha, no, I didn't expect the system to be able to do it |
| [16:05:40] | ace__: | er, do that |
| [16:05:43] | ace__: | break so badly |
| [16:05:46] | ace__: | aparently it can |
| [16:06:22] | _ben: | mmm, might have been ok if it was innodb tables |
| [16:08:05] | ace__: | lovely |
| [16:08:19] | ace__: | I guess I have until monday to get the system up and running for the fall season |
| [16:09:55] | iamlindoro: | But Fringe is tomorrow ;) |
| [16:10:08] | iamlindoro: | And The Office |
| [16:10:13] | iamlindoro: | and Parks and Rec |
| [16:10:20] | iamlindoro: | And Glee already started |
| [16:10:21] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [16:11:18] | ace__: | fringe was interesting for a while in season 1, but I lost interest |
| [16:11:38] | ace__: | so, suggestions for how to recover from this lovely disaster? |
| [16:11:50] | iamlindoro: | like I said, you can try to truncate the table |
| [16:11:51] | ace__: | should I purge the DB and start over? |
| [16:12:02] | ace__: | truncate |
| [16:12:06] | ace__: | okay, time to go read |
| [16:12:34] | wagnerrp: | you watch parks and rec? (havent seen any of it) |
| [16:12:55] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: first season sort of stank but I'm trying to give it a chance |
| [16:12:56] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: you've got a firewire-connected cable box handy, correct? |
| [16:13:08] | ace__: | btw, there are actually several broken DB tables |
| [16:13:09] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: I do, though it's been more sketchy of late |
| [16:13:31] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: I'm assuming the box hooked to it is running the old ohci1394 driver stack? |
| [16:13:39] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Yep |
| [16:13:41] | j-rod: | (which in this case, is what I'm after) |
| [16:14:02] | j-rod: | can you sanity-check firewire_tester in trunk for me? |
| [16:14:26] | j-rod: | I finally added all the stuff I'd done locally to make it behave better with the firewire stack |
| [16:14:53] | iamlindoro: | just test the tester portion? |
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| [16:15:26] | j-rod: | you could test output mode too, but if p2p mode testing works, that should work fine too |
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| [16:16:07] | j-rod: | so 'firewire_tester -p -n X' should be sufficient |
| [16:16:35] | iamlindoro: | -B for me ;) |
| [16:16:41] | iamlindoro: | can only do -B |
| [16:16:50] | j-rod: | oh. you're no use to me then. :) |
| [16:17:06] | j-rod: | the code change is all in the p2p code paths |
| [16:17:19] | j-rod: | however... |
| [16:17:36] | j-rod: | it fixes some stupidity in there that *could* be related to it not working on your box |
| [16:17:53] | j-rod: | channel was always getting set to match node |
| [16:17:56] | j-rod: | which isn't right |
| [16:18:10] | j-rod: | channel should be the retval from iec61883_cmp_connect() |
| [16:18:17] | iamlindoro: | can still test if you like |
| [16:18:26] | j-rod: | yeah, please do |
| [16:19:13] | iamlindoro: | still seems to work |
| [16:19:29] | j-rod: | -B you mean? |
| [16:19:39] | j-rod: | and does -p still go kersplat |
| [16:19:42] | j-rod: | ? |
| [16:20:16] | iamlindoro: | -B, -p does nothing good for me |
| [16:20:23] | iamlindoro: | I can test it, but it'll just fail |
| [16:20:24] | jamey: | is there any good documentation on how myth uses the databases |
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| [16:20:49] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: yep, just fails, I need -B |
| [16:21:03] | j-rod: | ok, phooey |
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| [16:22:52] | j-rod: | only 100 more to rev 22000... |
| [16:24:53] | jamey: | How in the world do you keep seperate user session prefrences for mythtv. |
| [16:25:23] | gardengnome: | yeah, how in the world |
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| [16:26:01] | iamlindoro: | you don't |
| [16:26:05] | jamey: | I change settings for one user and it changes it for all users, please tell me that i can work around this somehow. |
| [16:26:22] | iamlindoro: | nope |
| [16:26:26] | meshe: | write lots of code :) |
| [16:26:26] | jamey: | frack |
| [16:26:32] | gardengnome: | you can work around it |
| [16:26:37] | iamlindoro: | Myth is not multi-user |
| [16:26:48] | gardengnome: | you can dump settings to a file and then use a CLI switch to mythfrontend to load that file |
| [16:26:52] | gardengnome: | mythfrontend --help |
| [16:27:34] | meshe: | er, i wouldn't suggest that without a throurough understanding of the db |
| [16:28:00] | jamey: | whats the best way for someone to get understanding of db |
| [16:28:07] | meshe: | read the code |
| [16:28:18] | jamey: | I will fix this crap, hehe |
| [16:28:32] | gardengnome: | i do have a good understanding of the database, so there's nothing wrong with me giving that advice. of course, if the person who is taking the advice does not have a good understanding of the DB.. ;) |
| [16:28:37] | ** gardengnome stops being anal ** | |
| [16:29:18] | meshe: | jamey: check the users and dev mailing list archives, there has been much discussion on this topic |
| [16:29:19] | AlanBell: | has anyone commented publicly on this yet http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8259154.stm |
| [16:29:23] | jamey: | I can't believe myth isn't coded for multi user, is anyone discussing on fixxing this |
| [16:29:59] | AlanBell: | the article is about the BBC encrypting some freeview HD information, probably including schedules and EPG stuff |
| [16:30:00] | iamlindoro: | jamey: There was a summer of code project for it multiple years back, it never went anywhere, and nobody is working on it |
| [16:30:10] | iamlindoro: | and the correct term is add, not fix |
| [16:30:17] | iamlindoro: | you fix things that exits, you add things that don't |
| [16:30:22] | iamlindoro: | er exist |
| [16:30:35] | meshe: | myth is coded for what the developers want in myth, so i would guess that it's not an important feature for them |
| [16:30:36] | AlanBell: | jamey: I am quite interested in multi-user |
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| [16:31:09] | jamey: | no in the age of multiusers sessions , it is fix to have a program work with compters that commonly have multiple user, no disrespect intended |
| [16:31:23] | j-rod: | as the saying goes, 'patches welcomed'. well, maybe. at least, they're more welcomed that "omg, this is broken, fix it". |
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| [16:31:39] | iamlindoro: | no, it's not a fix, sorry |
| [16:31:46] | iamlindoro: | any new feature isn't a fix. |
| [16:31:56] | j-rod: | that's what we call an RFE here |
| [16:31:59] | meshe: | gardengnome: sorry, my point was, if you're going to suggest messing with the db to a user you should add a disclaimer that they should know the db unless you're going to be here to fix it for them when they screw it up |
| [16:32:06] | iamlindoro: | It's what I call a FRWOP |
| [16:32:51] | ** meshe is curious how many pvr's have separate user settings ** | |
| [16:33:03] | jamey: | AlanBell, I am sure you are not alone |
| [16:33:25] | iamlindoro: | It's also important to note that it's not that we don't have multiuser out of obstinacy, it's that ALL of the DB code in myth is built around per-host settings-- adding it means basically rewriting a vast amount of myth's settings code, and that means a ton of work *and* knowing what one is doing |
| [16:33:46] | iamlindoro: | so the odds are 9 out of 10 attempted implementations would not be good enough to actually be applied |
| [16:34:03] | iamlindoro: | as you need deep, intimate knowledge of myth, it's DB, AND you need to write a good, clean implementation |
| [16:34:21] | iamlindoro: | and it'd be a massive project both for the author and the patch reviewer |
| [16:34:26] | iamlindoro: | let us know when you're done ;) |
| [16:35:07] | jamey: | not what i am wanting to here |
| [16:35:10] | gardengnome: | meshe: of course, you're right. i was just being anal about it ;) OTOH, just using a settings file can't break that much.. i'm not sure about the implementation, though, so if writes go to the database.. |
| [16:35:18] | iamlindoro: | jamey: What did you want to hear? |
| [16:35:32] | meshe: | gardengnome: all of myths settings are in the db :) |
| [16:35:33] | iamlindoro: | "I'll get right on that, check back next week?" |
| [16:35:43] | jamey: | that they will be coming in .23 or something like that |
| [16:35:51] | ** meshe laughs ** | |
| [16:35:54] | iamlindoro: | nope. You want it, you write it, them's the rules |
| [16:36:10] | AlanBell: | jamey: write up a convincing use case and blog about it |
| [16:36:15] | AlanBell: | that would be a start |
| [16:36:17] | meshe: | or pay one of the devs lots of money to do it |
| [16:36:31] | iamlindoro: | AlanBell: We definitely don't pay any attention to that |
| [16:36:41] | gardengnome: | meshe: yes, but you can use a settings *file*. |
| [16:36:42] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: ah yes, sorry, mean 'RFE here' as in, 'RFE here where I work' :) |
| [16:36:49] | AlanBell: | iamlindoro: I wouldn't expect you to |
| [16:36:50] | iamlindoro: | All the blogging, voting, and begging in the world won't yield new features |
| [16:37:02] | gardengnome: | iamlindoro: twittering? mesh-upping? |
| [16:37:08] | iamlindoro: | you write it, or a dev who wants it writes it, that's the one and only way things get done |
| [16:37:11] | jamey: | so how people use one backend and multiple frontends? |
| [16:37:15] | AlanBell: | iamlindoro: no, but it gets thoughts nailed down and discussable |
| [16:37:27] | AlanBell: | certainly doesn't get code written |
| [16:37:34] | jamey: | if the settings are different with different computers |
| [16:37:35] | gardengnome: | hum. yeah. could also do some multi-userness by using different LocalHostNames |
| [16:37:45] | AlanBell: | but to write code it helps to start with a use-case and a spec |
| [16:37:45] | iamlindoro: | And quite often irritates the folks who *could* write the code |
| [16:37:46] | meshe: | jamey: frontend configs are stored by hostname |
| [16:38:08] | j-rod: | just do what gardengnome suggested |
| [16:38:10] | AlanBell: | I would like to see mythtv be great for a hotel/guesthouse environment |
| [16:38:13] | iamlindoro: | As most of us doing the actual writing aren't very interested in a list of "requirements" or "use cases" unless there's a fat check stapled to it |
| [16:38:35] | jamey: | well the truth is thats the way technology is heading |
| [16:38:36] | iamlindoro: | And I mean lots of zeroes fat |
| [16:38:41] | iamlindoro: | and no zero padding, either |
| [16:38:46] | AlanBell: | iamlindoro: sure, but writing something down is more constructive than winging about a lack of it |
| [16:38:48] | jamey: | thats a fact |
| [16:38:57] | iamlindoro: | No, it's really not |
| [16:39:19] | iamlindoro: | The *only* thing that is productive is doing or paying for the work |
| [16:39:37] | mag0o: | yeah, don't all cell phones now let you share it between you and your spouse, with separate user settings? oh wait... |
| [16:40:16] | AlanBell: | it could be part of figuring out where to get the money to pay for the work though |
| [16:40:18] | sigkill_: | hey, i bet you could sponsor a dev to implement it |
| [16:40:26] | sigkill_: | ;] |
| [16:40:30] | jamey: | hmm, i think tvs are more like computers, infact thats why myth exists |
| [16:40:33] | jamey: | just like dos |
| [16:40:38] | jamey: | dos =myth |
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| [16:40:49] | jamey: | windows3.0 = mythtv |
| [16:40:58] | jamey: | myth2.0= linux |
| [16:41:35] | gardengnome: | what |
| [16:41:53] | iamlindoro: | Is 9:41 AM too early to start drinking? |
| [16:41:55] | iamlindoro: | at work? |
| [16:42:11] | mag0o: | work at home? |
| [16:42:11] | meshe: | depends on where you work |
| [16:42:16] | ** j-rod grabs the Jack off the shelf in his cube... ** | |
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| [16:42:34] | sigkill_: | maybe you work a twilight shift and finish at 9am... in which case go for it :P |
| [16:42:51] | AlanBell: | depends on what the drink is too |
| [16:42:52] | mag0o: | per user myth can be done without any code changes, just use recording groups |
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| [16:43:20] | jamey: | i am being a little silly, but i can't believe you guys cant see the usefulness in the future for this Feature. |
| [16:43:26] | mag0o: | thats how i keep the kids shows from clogging up the wifeys shows |
| [16:43:45] | meshe: | i personally don't, sorry |
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| [16:44:08] | laga: | could use different recording groups |
| [16:44:14] | j-rod: | um. there are ... what he said |
| [16:44:24] | j-rod: | I use a single frontend, one set of prefs |
| [16:44:34] | j-rod: | the kids shows are all in one recording group, adults shows in another |
| [16:44:43] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, usefulness has nothing to do with it |
| [16:44:44] | mag0o: | yeah, that seems the most efficient |
| [16:44:51] | j-rod: | two button presses on the remote to switch between them |
| [16:44:56] | mag0o: | yup |
| [16:44:59] | j-rod: | (maybe 3) |
| [16:45:05] | iamlindoro: | It's a *massive* change. And the people capable of making said change has overflowing plates |
| [16:45:18] | iamlindoro: | and it's nowhere NEAR the top of anyone's list, if it's on anyone's at all |
| [16:45:28] | iamlindoro: | so if someone wants it done soon, they get to do it themselves |
| [16:45:46] | iamlindoro: | contrary to popular belief, we don't sit around in the Myth ruckus room struggling to find things to do |
| [16:46:00] | iamlindoro: | there's pantloads to do, and < a dozen people struggling to keep up with doing it |
| [16:46:08] | j-rod: | god. this imonlcd patch was against 18320... doesn't apply so well anymore... |
| [16:46:20] | ** mag0o throws something shiny into the Myth ruckus room ** | |
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| [16:47:20] | resno: | I want to find build a computer that can match my current dvr, what are parts, I should not cheap out on? This is for doing SD, some HD to an HD tv. |
| [16:47:31] | AlanBell: | I was talking to one of my customers about sponsoring some multi-room enhancements. Don't think they have a cheque with enough zeros to sponsor it by themselves though. It is as you say very complicated when you get into it. |
| [16:48:40] | jamey: | by the way there is a bug either in myth or pulseaudio |
| [16:48:53] | iamlindoro: | Myth doesn't support pulseaudio |
| [16:49:11] | mikasaari: | I do have DVB-T USB NOVA-TD which works fluently after the reboot, but after a while (24h or so) it starts to make lots of errors. Any ideas ? |
| [16:49:14] | iamlindoro: | Or, amusingly referred to, the "audio sync destruction daemon" |
| [16:49:21] | jamey: | it doesn't support alsa either, correctly |
| [16:49:37] | jamey: | alsa:default |
| [16:49:51] | jamey: | is hosed even just using alsa |
| [16:49:55] | iamlindoro: | Supports it fine for me |
| [16:50:03] | meshe: | resno: my personal opinion is get a cpu fast enough to decode HD in software ~2.8 C2D |
| [16:50:07] | jamey: | you have to set card directly |
| [16:50:19] | iamlindoro: | alsa:default works great on all my systems |
| [16:50:40] | jamey: | do you have more than one video card |
| [16:50:46] | jamey: | ? |
| [16:50:54] | jamey: | sorry audio card |
| [16:51:04] | iamlindoro: | Nope |
| [16:51:09] | resno: | meshe: OK. 2.8 dual, quad, single? |
| [16:51:27] | jamey: | because it only works propeperly on hw(0,x) |
| [16:51:40] | meshe: | pretty sure there isn't a single C2D, but a dual should suffice |
| [16:51:49] | jamey: | if you have default set to hw(2,x) |
| [16:52:02] | meshe: | resno: oh and RAM for myth 0.22 :) |
| [16:52:06] | jamey: | it doesnot work |
| [16:52:44] | resno: | meshe: so 2.8 ghz cpu and 1 gig ram? |
| [16:53:06] | meshe: | at least 2 gigs |
| [16:53:20] | meshe: | actually 2GB should be fine |
| [16:53:45] | meshe: | iamlindoro: can you confirm that with the new theme's memory usage? |
| [16:53:55] | meshe: | themes |
| [16:54:33] | iamlindoro: | Think I've gotten MFE w/ Graphite up to about 960 MB |
| [16:55:05] | meshe: | mostly due to the fanart, isn't it? |
| [16:55:09] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [16:55:24] | iamlindoro: | should be much lighter weight for a theme that uses less of the new art |
| [16:55:29] | resno: | is 2 gig the min? or good? |
| [16:55:34] | iamlindoro: | just giving a vague spec of the extreme |
| [16:56:12] | meshe: | i have a 0.21-fixes running with less than a gig, but it can choke a bit, usually when mfd is running |
| [16:56:35] | resno: | i dont want any chocking, the wife wants it perfect |
| [16:56:42] | meshe: | resno: ram is cheap |
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| [16:56:55] | resno: | ive seen cases with screens are those useful or supported? |
| [16:57:01] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: videoutils.cpp... where would one want to add a call to set the MOVIE LED on an LCD in there now? |
| [16:57:16] | j-rod: | resno: yes and yes |
| [16:58:15] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: ancient diff doesn't have enough context or show function names, and I'm dumb. :( |
| [16:58:16] | dserban_: | iamlindoro, is there a list of stuff that needs help on myth? I've got about 20 mins to spare a week :P (I can code) |
| [16:58:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | !trout j-rod "you're not dumb!" |
| [16:58:41] | ** MythLogBot slaps j-rod with a "you're not dumb!" trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... ** | |
| [16:58:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [16:59:00] | dserban_: | heh ... :( mirc!!! |
| [16:59:00] | meshe: | dserban_: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/query?status=infon . . . lestone=0.22 |
| [16:59:04] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: I guess you could do it in checkedset |
| [16:59:19] | iamlindoro: | dserban_: not really, just sort of dive in and start fixing stuff-- open bugs at svn.mythtv.org |
| [17:00:01] | dserban_: | holy crap! that's a big list :P (well not really if you compare it against... say debian) |
| [17:00:04] | dserban_: | :) |
| [17:00:29] | j-rod: | J-e-f-f-A: wrt mythvideo code I am :) |
| [17:00:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | resno: IIRC, my lowest 0.21-fixes frontend has 1GB ram rightnow – everything else has 2GB, backend has 4GB. BTW – I used to live in the city of your nic, prepended with an "F" ;-) |
| [17:00:55] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: ok, that's kinda what I was thinking |
| [17:01:18] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Might be easier to write a utility function just for the LED stuff, and call it in videodlg.cpp |
| [17:01:48] | resno: | J-e-f-f-A: this computer will be doing it all front and back ends |
| [17:01:54] | iamlindoro: | checkedset makes sense if you're trying to update the text part of the LCD as you hover over an item, but for the LED stuff, might be a good idea to have its own code |
| [17:02:12] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: hm... there's already a hunk that touches that file to turn it off, I'll see if there's a sane place to turn it on |
| [17:02:15] | iamlindoro: | But either way should be fine |
| [17:02:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | resno: More is better... I'd say 2GB would be the minimum I'd start with. ;-) |
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| [17:04:16] | resno: | i am looking for a dual tuner card, the avermedia avertvhd duet tuner. Are these compatible with linux? |
| [17:04:26] | resno: | link here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;Order=PRICE |
| [17:04:28] | laga: | www.linuxtv.org |
| [17:04:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | resno: check linuxtv.org |
| [17:04:43] | jamey: | well thanks guys for the info even though its very disapointing, |
| [17:04:44] | wagnerrp: | resno: check linuxtv.org |
| [17:04:44] | jamey: | <gardengnome> you can dump settings to a file and then use a CLI switch to mythfrontend to load that file |
| [17:04:46] | jamey: | [11:26] <gardengnome> mythfrontend --help |
| [17:04:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | laga: dang, missed it by || much... ;-) |
| [17:06:02] | resno: | i would say this is the biggest thing i hate about getting it working with linux |
| [17:06:16] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: what if I just tack it onto the end of VideoDialog::playVideo() ? |
| [17:06:17] | wagnerrp: | compatibility? |
| [17:06:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | resno: You aren't by chance from "Fresno", are you? ;-) |
| [17:07:09] | jamey: | hmm whats overide setting key=value, Where can you see a list of keys and what they do? |
| [17:07:32] | resno: | J-e-f-f-A: no.. never used that name before |
| [17:07:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | jamey: There's a keys.txt file. |
| [17:08:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | resno: Just wondering... I lived in Fresno, CA for about 5 years... ;-) |
| [17:08:06] | wagnerrp: | hes asking if youre from the geographic area 'fresno' |
| [17:08:25] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: if i had to guess, id say north carolina |
| [17:08:41] | resno: | wagnerrp: what makes you think nc? |
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| [17:09:09] | resno: | wagnerrp: J-e-f-f-A i miss read it, but i am not from fresno ;) |
| [17:09:10] | wagnerrp: | specifically raleigh/durham |
| [17:09:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I didn't think to look as his whois info... ;-) |
| [17:10:03] | resno: | how did you get that? |
| [17:10:11] | wagnerrp: | ^^^ whois info |
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| [17:10:28] | resno: | wagnerrp: i got that, but where is that available? |
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| [17:10:57] | wagnerrp: | your address is registered to 'intrex inc.', with ZIP 27709 |
| [17:11:11] | resno: | yep thats my isp |
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| [17:11:30] | wagnerrp: | now obviously you dont live in the office park that is registered to, but you would be in that area |
| [17:11:40] | meshe: | /whois resno |
| [17:12:02] | resno: | meshe: thanks, i dont know many irc commands |
| [17:12:41] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Fine w/ me, so long as we clean it up at the end |
| [17:14:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | resno: ps: looks like that AverMedia card isn't supported in Linux: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/384339 However, looks like the Dual-Tuner Hauppauge 2250 is now working (Digital side only). |
| [17:14:32] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: By which I mean remembering to turn off the LED, that is |
| [17:15:13] | j-rod: | yeah, still trying to figure out where to unset it... I'm enabling it in 4 different places so far — playVideo, playVideoAlt, playFolder and playVideoWithTrailers |
| [17:15:59] | iamlindoro: | you could just look in playercommand.cpp |
| [17:16:07] | iamlindoro: | which is called by all of those functions |
| [17:16:33] | j-rod: | oh sure, now you tell me |
| [17:16:33] | iamlindoro: | set it somewhere right before we spawn off the internal or external player |
| [17:16:38] | j-rod: | :) |
| [17:16:42] | iamlindoro: | heh, sorry :) |
| [17:17:20] | dustybin: | http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/8250471.stm |
| [17:17:24] | iamlindoro: | Better watch it with those questions, people are going to start relying on me to know things about mythvideo ;) |
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| [17:18:50] | dustybin: | i remember the very moment last year when kormac changed the topic to: Latest stable release: 0.21 |
| [17:19:13] | dustybin: | or was it the year before? |
| [17:19:30] | iamlindoro: | so much for remembering it... |
| [17:20:33] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: so enable in VideoPlayerCommand::Play(), perhaps? |
| [17:20:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: ooh, oled v2.0 ... amoled ... ;-) |
| [17:20:42] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, exactly where I was thinking |
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| [17:21:22] | ** dustybin feels excited about the upcoming release ** | |
| [17:21:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I thought I missed the release when I saw a -fixes branch... |
| [17:22:03] | iamlindoro: | heh... even the branch wasn't meant to be a release, FWIW |
| [17:22:08] | iamlindoro: | not .22 until it's tagged |
| [17:22:50] | iamlindoro: | The sinister evil pat of me wants to submit a false story to slashdot saying the release is canceled, the mean Myth devs deleted the branch, etc. |
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| [17:24:49] | ** dustybin wonders why iamlindoro hasn't abused him so far ** | |
| [17:25:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Jeeze, where was this case when I was looking for a sexy, relatively cheap frontend case with an lcd/vfd display? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129046 |
| [17:25:46] | dustybin: | very nice |
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| [17:25:58] | dustybin: | it reminds me of a old VHS recorder |
| [17:26:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: Yeah, it's not 'tiny', but not a boat anchor either... |
| [17:26:49] | dustybin: | aye |
| [17:27:01] | erik__: | does the mantis driver not work well with mythtv? it doesnt seem to be able to change multiplex once it has one |
| [17:27:14] | ** J-e-f-f-A thinks his Antec Fusion Black 430 that he paid nearly 2x as much for is too big for the living room... ** | |
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| [17:27:58] | tmkt: | sure is a popular channel |
| [17:28:04] | AndrewNC: | J-e-f-f-A: I have the same case, I'm going to have to build a new AV cabinet to house it |
| [17:28:16] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs! ** | |
| [17:28:58] | ** dustybin strokes his polycom 321 ** | |
| [17:29:06] | AndrewNC: | my existing peice only had like 4.5" clearance for components, so that case and my receiver had to go on top |
| [17:29:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee. and that case even has an 80plus supply... that should make sperry smile... ;-) |
| [17:29:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | (spherry even... ;-) |
| [17:29:41] | AndrewNC: | so the remainder of this month is either going to be woodworking or codehacking, depending on how things shake out |
| [17:29:43] | iamlindoro: | or sphery |
| [17:29:55] | ** iamlindoro helpfully points J-e-f-f-A at his tab key ** | |
| [17:30:11] | meshe: | sp<TAB> |
| [17:30:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | !trout J-e-f-f-A "learn how to type, bozo!" |
| [17:30:13] | ** MythLogBot slaps J-e-f-f-A with a "learn how to type, bozo!" trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... ** | |
| [17:30:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [17:30:35] | sphery: | 80 PLUS ftw!!! |
| [17:30:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | there he is. ;-) |
| [17:30:47] | meshe: | lol |
| [17:32:25] | dustybin: | new series of peep show starts this friday: http://www.channel4.com/programmes/peep-show |
| [17:32:28] | wagnerrp: | its too long |
| [17:32:28] | dustybin: | :-) |
| [17:32:53] | wagnerrp: | the cabinet i have to put one in is only 15" deep |
| [17:34:44] | wagnerrp: | im thinking the only systems in going to fit in there are shuttle-type |
| [17:35:11] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: so I think I can just clear the icon when main.cpp switches the lcd back to the clock — see runMenu() in main.cpp |
| [17:35:35] | wagnerrp: | considering i need at least two inches clearance in the back for cooling |
| [17:35:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Where did you see the depth measurement? By my 'guesstimate' based on the size of the optical drive bay, it seems to be about 13" deep... |
| [17:35:44] | wagnerrp: | or i would have to mod the case to vent elsewhere |
| [17:35:54] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: on the antec site, 16" |
| [17:36:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: duh. ;-) (I guess my brain isn't firing on all cylinders today...) |
| [17:38:47] | jamey: | wagner: I was wanting to have different configs for different users and u said. |
| [17:38:52] | jamey: | jamey: for that, you either want to set the environment variable 'mythconfdir', or just use separate usernames for each frontend |
| [17:38:53] | jamey: | [11:31] <wagnerrp> then set that value on each individual frontend so it uses a custom 'hostname' in the database, rather than the same one for all frontends |
| [17:39:31] | jamey: | when you said use separte username for each frontend your talking about in the database configuration |
| [17:40:15] | jamey: | replace user mythtv with "userN" |
| [17:40:22] | jamey: | correct? |
| [17:40:35] | wagnerrp: | not username, custom identifier |
| [17:40:45] | wagnerrp: | it has nothing to do with system or sql users |
| [17:41:04] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: I'd think that would be fine |
| [17:41:17] | wagnerrp: | however you need to have separate config dirs for each instance of the frontend |
| [17:41:29] | wagnerrp: | so you can have different lircrc files, mapped to different remotes |
| [17:41:49] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: ie an if (lcd->icon()) { lcd->TurnOffIcon(); } is whatever |
| [17:41:50] | wagnerrp: | you can either accomplish that by running the frontends under different usernames, or setting 'mythconfdir' |
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| [17:41:58] | iamlindoro: | er or whatever |
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| [17:47:55] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: the 'only do if icon exists' logic is buried somewhere libs/libmythdb/licddevice.cpp |
| [17:48:01] | j-rod: | or will be |
| [17:48:05] | iamlindoro: | cool |
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| [17:55:19] | ** J-e-f-f-A likes the sound of this conversation... ;-) ** | |
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| [17:59:31] | jamey: | wagner: ] <wagnerrp> then set that value on each individual frontend so it uses a custom 'hostname' in the database, rather than the same one for all frontends |
| [17:59:45] | jamey: | is that the dbhostname ? |
| [17:59:51] | jamey: | or localhostname |
| [18:00:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: this case is pretty sexy... but looks a bit large (depth-wise)... and is very expensive... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811110015 |
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| [18:02:14] | wagnerrp: | ouch... pricey |
| [18:02:24] | wagnerrp: | and it need at least one full size 5.25" bay |
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| [18:03:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: That might not be so bad if it included the DVD drive too... but that's not even included... Ok, maybe $250 with dvd drive would be 'acceptable'... ;-) |
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| [18:10:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: ooh, comes in black too. $349.99 direct from the manufacturer... |
| [18:11:01] | wagnerrp: | ooh... im quivering just thinking about it |
| [18:11:04] | J-e-f-f-A: | (still too much $$$, but it is very pleasing to the eye...) |
| [18:12:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: 13.4" deep... ;-) i'd fit in your entertainment system! ;-) http://www.auzentech.com/site/products/gmc_s7.php |
| [18:14:10] | AndrewNC: | I wonder does 2.6" include the feet |
| [18:14:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Humm.. the pic on their web page shows an optical drive already in there... |
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| [18:15:52] | wagnerrp: | well theres still the need for a full size 5.25" bay |
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| [18:16:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: what for? ;-) |
| [18:16:09] | wagnerrp: | slim optical drive wont cut it |
| [18:16:14] | wagnerrp: | removable hard drive |
| [18:16:27] | wagnerrp: | this is an offline system |
| [18:16:50] | wagnerrp: | the removable hard drive will be used to ferry content back and forth from the main system |
| [18:17:24] | wagnerrp: | im thinking one of those shuttle form factor boxes would be best |
| [18:17:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Humm... I guess you don't want to put it in an external firewire enclosure then. (I put a removable rack in a fireware case before for ripping from an old Dish PVR...) |
| [18:18:05] | wagnerrp: | i would prefer not |
| [18:18:19] | Dubstar_04: | could anyone help me with this: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1568655 |
| [18:18:22] | wagnerrp: | removeable tray means no fiddling around with wires |
| [18:18:43] | wagnerrp: | Dubstar_04: eh? |
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| [18:19:56] | Dubstar_04: | wagnerrp: I want a popup to offer the choice of high quality or regular quality stream and the user pick and so on |
| [18:21:26] | Dubstar_04: | I am completely off the track with this? |
| [18:22:51] | iamlindoro: | QString StreamsUI::videoQuality(QString &quality) |
| [18:23:02] | iamlindoro: | highButton = menuPopup->addButton("High Quality", this, SLOT(videoQuality("high"))) |
| [18:23:08] | iamlindoro: | or whatever |
| [18:23:26] | iamlindoro: | though highbutton = seems wrong |
| [18:23:56] | j-rod: | ok, imon lcd icon patch fully updated for trunk, now to see if this actually *builds*. then maybe see if it actually works... |
| [18:23:58] | iamlindoro: | and the menu popup variable ought to be m_menuPopup |
| [18:24:10] | Dubstar_04: | all i get is the popup which does nothing at the moment. I will try your suggestion |
| [18:24:41] | iamlindoro: | StreamsUI::videoQuality is a do-nothing function ATM |
| [18:24:44] | ** j-rod goes foraging while the build is underway ** | |
| [18:24:59] | okolsi: | j-rod: are you involved with imon kernel modules or something like that? |
| [18:25:01] | ** J-e-f-f-A salivates with j-rod's changes... ;-) ** | |
| [18:25:12] | sphery: | Dubstar_04: MythStream modifications? |
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| [18:25:33] | iamlindoro: | If you want them to change the quality, the m_quality should be declared somewhere globally, and StreamsUI::videoquality should take an argument and modify that variable for use elsewhere |
| [18:26:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: There's always this case ... just $99... http://store.auzentech.com/shared/StoreFront/ . . . p;GalleryID= ;-) |
| [18:26:27] | iamlindoro: | if that menu is meant to immediately *spawn* that stream, then the playback function should take an argument for quality, and you can slot in the play command w/ the appropriate argument |
| [18:27:08] | wagnerrp: | i could NEVER by from them |
| [18:27:12] | wagnerrp: | buy |
| [18:27:13] | iamlindoro: | ie m_menuPopup->addButton("High Quality", this, SLOT(playVideo("High"))); or whatever |
| [18:27:30] | Dubstar_04: | sphery: I modified the mythvodka plugin to be just an iplayer plugin, its works really well but i am really keen to learn more Qt and c++ so I am trying to add new features and so on |
| [18:27:34] | wagnerrp: | they think it is acceptable to do cross-site cookies |
| [18:27:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: hehehe... ;-) That's the sort of case my Son would love... |
| [18:27:56] | sphery: | Dubstar_04: ah... just saw, "StreamsUI" and guessed MythStream... |
| [18:28:02] | wagnerrp: | i cant even view the page, because that seems to be disabled by default in firefox |
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| [18:29:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Ah... here's just the image... http://store.nexternal.com/auzentech/images/R4%20white2.jpg |
| [18:29:34] | j-rod: | okolsi: something like that, yes |
| [18:29:44] | wagnerrp: | oh dear god that is fugly |
| [18:30:04] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs... (I though so too!) Looks like a robot from StarWars... ** | |
| [18:30:06] | wagnerrp: | that is absolutely hideous |
| [18:30:25] | wagnerrp: | i want to take it out to a field and burn it |
| [18:30:28] | okolsi: | j-rod: been a fedora user fow awhile.. and used to have i-mon lcd working since FC5.. and then somewhere in FC9 or 10 it just stopped working |
| [18:30:48] | Dubstar_04: | iamlindoro: thanks |
| [18:31:01] | okolsi: | j-rod: haven't been able to get it working since.. |
| [18:31:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | okolsi: My iMon LCD works fine on FC11, less icons, but it works fine. |
| [18:32:34] | okolsi: | blaah.. i mixed those again, I meant th VFD, not LCD |
| [18:33:01] | ** J-e-f-f-A just reminded himself that he was going to work on 'beautifying' the LCD 'screens' on Myth, but hasn't found the time to do so... :-( ** | |
| [18:33:28] | okolsi: | anyone using the i-mon VFD with FC10 or FC11? |
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| [18:46:09] | Josh__: | aha, I *havent* lost my mind. |
| [18:46:33] | laga: | just hard to find? |
| [18:46:48] | Josh__: | I just had the dumb for a while, but I got over it |
| [18:49:01] | j-rod: | okolsi: I maintain the lirc_imon driver upstream, as well as the relevant packages in Fedora |
| [18:49:17] | j-rod: | it *should* Just Work, if not, its news to me |
| [18:49:39] | j-rod: | i.e., file a bug report, or send mail to an appropriate list, and we can chase it there |
| [18:49:43] | j-rod: | (don't have time for it atm) |
| [18:50:41] | okolsi: | j-rod: thanks! |
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| [18:57:49] | Josh__: | j-rod, I had to perform some voodoo to get my iMon, VFD working. It works now though. |
| [18:58:26] | j-rod: | such as? |
| [18:59:10] | Josh__: | j-rod, generally though, the lirc_imon driver does not get along well with the lirc_mceusb2 driver, unless the lirc_mceusb2 driver is probed first. |
| [18:59:40] | Josh__: | if the imon driver is probed first, neither the imon VFD nor my mceusb2 iR reciever will work. |
| [19:00:15] | j-rod: | hrm. I have no clue why that would be... |
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| [19:00:55] | fbnts: | Hi, can anyone confirm if mythiplayer is supported on mythbuntu 8.10? |
| [19:01:05] | j-rod: | if mceusb is loaded second, were you pointing lircd at the right lirc device node? |
| [19:01:54] | fbnts: | sorry, 9.04 (Jaunty) |
| [19:01:56] | j-rod: | okolsi: np — either mythtv-users or lirc-list is probably appropriate, as would be an entry at bugzilla.redhat.com |
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| [19:06:04] | Josh__: | j-rod, that could be possible, although there's only one LCD device in that system, doubtful that it changed also. |
| [19:07:30] | j-rod: | trying to listen to the mceusb when you're actually listening to the imon receiver would screw up communication with the lcd too |
| [19:08:32] | j-rod: | I'm about 99% certain it was operator error, there's nothing that should prevent things from working w/imon loaded first |
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| [19:08:47] | j-rod: | If I didn't already have a billion other things to do, I could verify that at home |
| [19:09:57] | Josh__: | j-rod, no prob, If I run into the problem again I'll try and pinpoint the issue and file a bug report. |
| [19:10:17] | j-rod: | much appreciated |
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| [19:12:09] | fbnts: | Is /usr/share/mythtv/library.xml the correct menu config file for 0.21? |
| [19:12:23] | Josh__: | fbnts, some distros move it around. |
| [19:13:08] | Josh__: | in gentoo, it's located at /usr/share/mythtv/library.xml |
| [19:13:30] | fbnts: | ok, im using mythbuntu 9.04 |
| [19:13:32] | Josh__: | and ubuntu appears to be the same location. |
| [19:14:04] | ** j-rod has never ever ever ever touched that file on Fedora, not even sure what its for... ** | |
| [19:14:04] | fbnts: | I am trying to install MythVodka. All seems to go well but it isn't showing up in the menu |
| [19:15:04] | Josh__: | I guess they never intended subversion to traverse across a proxy |
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| [19:16:23] | sphery: | Josh__: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ |
| [19:16:24] | Dagmar: | No one here has anything to do with Mythvodka that I'm aware of |
| [19:16:40] | Dubstar_04: | fbnts: it was me that post the mythiplayer package |
| [19:16:46] | sphery: | Josh__: meaning, see the "If you are having troubles checking out the source, and you are behind a web proxy (such as squid), this may help. " portion |
| [19:16:51] | Dubstar_04: | Are you haveing problems? |
| [19:17:38] | fbnts: | Yes, I have followed the install instructions, all compiled ok, added the entries in library.xml and media_settings.xml but there's no entry appearing on the frontend |
| [19:17:55] | Dubstar_04: | umm weird |
| [19:18:26] | Dubstar_04: | can you pastebin your library.xml? |
| [19:18:45] | Dubstar_04: | to check the format ? |
| [19:20:15] | fbnts: | ttp://pastebin.com/d11cb43c6 |
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| [19:22:11] | Dubstar_04: | that looks fine. check to see if the plugin was moved to /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/ |
| [19:22:15] | fbnts: | ah, it looks like my frontend is using /usr/share/mythtv/themes/classic/mainmenu.xml |
| [19:22:35] | Dubstar_04: | that will do it!! |
| [19:22:47] | fbnts: | i have just edited the TV entry in /usr/share/mythtv/themes/classic/mainmenu.xml (set the text to "TV Test") and it has changed after restarting frontend |
| [19:24:34] | Josh_Borke: | is 0.22 gonna blow away 0.21? |
| [19:24:40] | jamey: | how do you implement a masterbackend vs a localbackend |
| [19:24:58] | Dagmar: | invalid context |
| [19:25:11] | Dagmar: | Whether a backend is the master backend or not has nothing to do with where it is |
| [19:25:18] | Josh_Borke: | you mean master vs slave? |
| [19:25:25] | Dagmar: | it's just a checkbox you set in mythtv-setup for the backend config |
| [19:25:43] | jamey: | ah missed that |
| [19:25:59] | Dagmar: | Yeah that's really all there is to it best I can rmemeber |
| [19:26:58] | jamey: | hmm I don't see a check box |
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| [19:27:55] | fbnts: | hmm, now its appearing, I get "Could not locate 'iplayerui' in theme 'mythiplayer-'. Returning to the previous menu." |
| [19:28:02] | fbnts: | when I click ok, the frontend dies |
| [19:28:10] | j-rod: | there's a big blatant text box that says "master backend server IP" or something along those lines |
| [19:28:25] | jamey: | i see that |
| [19:28:32] | j-rod: | on the master, this matches its configured IP |
| [19:28:39] | j-rod: | on the slave, it matches the master's IP |
| [19:29:17] | j-rod: | that, plus some fiddling with mysql to permit the slave to connect to your db, should be it |
| [19:29:34] | jamey: | ok, so what your saying is in a house only one master |
| [19:29:41] | j-rod: | pretty sure this is all well documented in the... docs |
| [19:29:55] | j-rod: | you can have as many masters as you want in one house |
| [19:30:10] | j-rod: | but if you want the backends to work cooperatives, there needs to be only one master |
| [19:30:12] | jamey: | what makes a master a master then? |
| [19:30:17] | j-rod: | cooperatively, that is |
| [19:30:54] | j-rod: | it does the scheduling of jobs and whatnot |
| [19:31:37] | j-rod: | yay. lcd icon patch finally compiling... |
| [19:32:45] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Where were you 24 hours ago when I wa running myself ragged setting that up for my folks? ;) |
| [19:33:25] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: I disavow any knowledge of anything. |
| [19:33:29] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [19:33:42] | j-rod: | what were you setting up though? an lcd? |
| [19:34:00] | j-rod: | I was probably too engrossed in patchwork yesterday |
| [19:34:01] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [19:34:07] | iamlindoro: | Naw, never asked |
| [19:34:13] | iamlindoro: | just killed myself and figured it all out :) |
| [19:35:21] | j-rod: | ah, good |
| [19:35:43] | j-rod: | nggh. trac is dumb. |
| [19:36:03] | Josh__: | there's the problem |
| [19:36:05] | j-rod: | replacing an attachment should leave some trace of the prior version, certainly at least the comments related to it. |
| [19:36:14] | Dassu: | Is there any plugin that can choose to record program if it matches to regex ? |
| [19:36:30] | fbnts: | am I missing some theme which is causing the above error? |
| [19:36:31] | Josh__: | daniel dropped the release-0-22-fixes from subversion. |
| [19:37:31] | iamlindoro: | Dassu: You can already use MySQL regex in Myth as it is |
| [19:46:32] | sphery: | Josh__: yeah, it was decided that it would cause more problems than it solves |
| [19:46:45] | sphery: | Josh__: you can re-svn switch (now that you know the procedure :) |
| [19:46:51] | Josh__: | sphery, I'm reading the mailing list thread now |
| [19:47:10] | sphery: | basically, we still have a couple weeks and no one wanted to have to check in all commits 2x |
| [19:47:13] | Josh__: | sphery, apparently there werent' many people ready or happy with a 0.22-fixes in svn. |
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| [19:49:08] | ** Josh__ can't wait for his work to issue another Blackberry ** | |
| [19:49:15] | Josh__: | I'm having email withdrawls |
| [19:49:29] | ** sphery considers having a bowl of blackberries ** | |
| [19:49:34] | Josh__: | hah |
| [19:49:45] | Josh__: | cobbler. |
| [19:49:54] | Josh__: | That sounds *really* good right now |
| [19:50:08] | sphery: | oh, yeah |
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| [19:51:58] | Josh__: | We had Nextel blackberries up at work, and the higher-ups decided that nextel wasn't cutting it for our connectivity |
| [19:52:22] | Josh__: | So they switched to Verizon, and traded the embedded email for Push-To-Talk. |
| [19:52:24] | Josh__: | sigh. |
| [19:54:48] | Defense|Twin: | Hi, anyone knows if it is possible to let mythtv collect the epg of the current channel? (DVB-T its unkown, but it should know it because the signal is ok) |
| [19:57:08] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [19:57:27] | wagnerrp: | but if you have guide data from another source, it is usually better than what you get over EIT |
| [19:57:37] | wagnerrp: | and you absolutely do not want to mix data from both |
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| [20:00:21] | fbnts: | hi, is Dubstar_04 still here? |
| [20:00:36] | Dubstar_04: | yeah |
| [20:01:07] | fbnts: | I have managed to get mythvodka working as far as loading the plugin and listing the iplayer content |
| [20:01:39] | fbnts: | I am tailing the log and when I try to play content it says: Running Command: /usr/share/mythtv/mythvodka/get_iplayer -o /var/tmp --file-prefix iplayerdump --get b00mlrf3.mov# |
| [20:02:05] | fbnts: | If I run that command manually, I get: INFO: 0 Matching Programmes |
| [20:02:07] | wagnerrp: | which one of the mythstream[s|tv] turned into vodka? |
| [20:02:18] | iamlindoro: | [s] |
| [20:03:06] | fbnts: | I have ran /usr/share/mythtv/mythvodka/get_iplayer -q --mythtv – --xml-channels and found the stream |
| [20:03:28] | sphery: | wasn't it mythstream |
| [20:03:34] | Dubstar_04: | where did you down load the source from? |
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| [20:03:39] | sphery: | only one s |
| [20:03:54] | fbnts: | hmm, let me check |
| [20:04:39] | fbnts: | I think it was from the wiki page (http://stashbox.org/352189/mythvodka.07.tar.gz) |
| [20:05:01] | Dubstar_04: | thats not the one i modified into mythiplayer |
| [20:05:19] | Dubstar_04: | the code is outdated for the get_iplayer script |
| [20:05:37] | Dubstar_04: | are you in the uk? |
| [20:05:48] | fbnts: | yep |
| [20:06:10] | Dubstar_04: | is it just iplayer you want or hulu and revision 3 also? |
| [20:06:50] | fbnts: | no, just iPlayer |
| [20:07:04] | Dubstar_04: | try here then: http://sites.google.com/site/mythiplayer/ |
| [20:07:25] | Dubstar_04: | this is where i keep my stuff and it works fine for me |
| [20:08:01] | fbnts: | ah ok, will give that a go now |
| [20:09:57] | Defense|Twin: | wagnerrp: which other source do you mean? |
| [20:10:14] | wagnerrp: | you XMLTV providers |
| [20:10:44] | wagnerrp: | ideally, you should be using an XMLTV provider to fill out your schedule |
| [20:10:49] | fbnts: | When using mythiplayer plugin instead of mythvodka I get "Could not locate 'iplayerui' in theme 'mythiplayer-'" |
| [20:10:53] | wagnerrp: | EIT is typically only used if that is not available |
| [20:11:14] | wagnerrp: | (EIT being guide data broadcast by the TV station) |
| [20:12:03] | Defense|Twin: | wagnerrp: so acctually i dont use xmltv.. but i'm still wondering why the DVB-T epg data is wrong/not available because it should be available |
| [20:12:41] | wagnerrp: | not available at all? or not as much as you expected? |
| [20:12:54] | wagnerrp: | over here, youre luck to get more than the current show and the next |
| [20:12:54] | Defense|Twin: | not as i expect |
| [20:13:23] | Defense|Twin: | wagnerrp: no my problem is that it doesn't get the programm of the current channel |
| [20:15:11] | Defense|Twin: | wagnerrp: with kaffeine i always only got the programm of the current transponder (4 channels) and those i visited recently... but now i only have the programm of some channels anthose i watched the last time...but when i tune to another it doesn#t get the new programm |
| [20:15:48] | wagnerrp: | go into the channel editor, and make sure EIT is turned on for those channels |
| [20:16:00] | Josh__: | gah, stupid licensing. |
| [20:16:07] | Josh__: | can't watch bbc iplayer in the US. |
| [20:16:45] | wagnerrp: | if only there were some kind of internet service, capable of 'proxying' content, so as you appear somewhere you are not |
| [20:16:53] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, shh. |
| [20:17:07] | Josh__: | that wouldn't be responsible of me :) |
| [20:17:54] | wagnerrp: | now, finding one capable of the throughput necessary for video streaming will probably be a bit difficult |
| [20:18:03] | Josh__: | exactly. |
| [20:18:13] | wagnerrp: | last time i used TOR, it was not significantly better than dialup |
| [20:18:18] | XLV: | http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=643 some advancement on the clear QAM loss and new cablecard tuners... hdcp, protected broadcast driver architecture, drm verification tools etc.. |
| [20:19:10] | Josh__: | "Home cooking is killing the restaraunt industry" |
| [20:20:38] | wagnerrp: | 'anything a CableCARD is authorized to receive, will be allowed to be played by a CableCARD equipped PC' |
| [20:20:56] | Josh__: | Not entirely. Keep reading. |
| [20:21:09] | fbnts: | Any ideas Dubstar_04 on the "Could not locate 'iplayerui' in theme 'mythiplayer-'" error? |
| [20:21:12] | wagnerrp: | so wait a moment now... not only is the content going to remain encrypted on the machine (already knew that), you will not be able to send it to remote frontends? |
| [20:21:21] | wagnerrp: | media center extenders and such |
| [20:22:05] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, I doubt it. |
| [20:22:21] | Dubstar_04: | oops yeah. download the small buffer version and use the ui xml from there. sorry |
| [20:22:46] | wagnerrp: | the whole point of these 6-tuner cards theyve been talking about is that you have one recording PC, and a bunch of extenders, similar to how mythtv works |
| [20:22:48] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, You'll probably need to keep the HDCP chain complete from coax to display device. |
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| [20:24:47] | wagnerrp: | and now there is a 'copy freely' flag, only to be used on C-SPAN and public access channels |
| [20:25:08] | Defense|Twin: | wagnerrp: hmm now EIT use was on for the channel... now it got the EPG for the channel anyway... but i hate it that it doesn't seem to know that it has to tune to a channel before it can get the EPG and that it doesn't receive the EPG as soon as it tunes to the channel :/ |
| [20:25:17] | Dubstar_04: | fbnts: look in the themewide file and use the mythiplayer-ui.xml.original file |
| [20:25:28] | Dubstar_04: | just remove the .original from the end |
| [20:26:06] | wagnerrp: | Defense|Twin: there is supposed to be some mechanism in mythtv where it uses free tuners to scrape up and down the frequency band and gather EIT data |
| [20:27:16] | fbnts: | ok, and then copy it to /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/ ? |
| [20:27:36] | Defense|Twin: | wagnerrp: dunno but somehow it doesn't seem to work without problems :/ or in other words, with kaffeine it was working better |
| [20:27:48] | wagnerrp: | ive never used EIT, so i dont know what to tell you |
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| [20:28:07] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, and it should seem pretty obvious that this "solution" will only work on microsoft software. |
| [20:28:27] | Defense|Twin: | anyway... all in all mythtv is much more fun than kaffeine ... so ;-) |
| [20:28:31] | Josh__: | nevertheless, it's still a step in the right direction. |
| [20:29:24] | wagnerrp: | Josh__: well now that you can actually purchase the hardware to do it, i dont expect it to be all that long before a linux solution exists |
| [20:29:47] | wagnerrp: | however i cant speak on the legality of such code, DMCA and all |
| [20:30:21] | fbnts: | ah, sorted that error – had to put them in my current theme directory |
| [20:31:00] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, it would depend on the agreement Microsoft concocted with CableLABS, and the overall "excitement" of the community to get it working outside of Microsoft. |
| [20:31:07] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, agreed, legality and all. |
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| [20:33:04] | fbnts: | arh, next issue (sorry) the log is showing: ERROR: Failed to record 'A World Away – A World Away (b00mvdgm)' |
| [20:33:29] | wagnerrp: | of course anyone who manages to break the handshaking will be branded a thief |
| [20:33:38] | wagnerrp: | because theyre stealing the cable that they bought |
| [20:34:48] | Dubstar_04: | check out the ubuntu forums for help http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1006069&page=36 |
| [20:35:22] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, HOWEVER.. Mabye the "free-to copy" flag will be a godsend. |
| [20:35:43] | wagnerrp: | Josh__: sure, for those of us who like to watch C-SPAN and public access |
| [20:35:58] | wagnerrp: | it will be interesting to see what the local broadcasts are flagged |
| [20:36:06] | Josh__: | because that gives you the right to view that program freely on a box capable of decoding the signal, through legal means or non. |
| [20:36:19] | Josh__: | which, according to the DMCA, is allowed. |
| [20:36:22] | wagnerrp: | whether clearQAM passed through a cablecard tuner gets encrypted |
| [20:36:43] | kormoc: | I doubt that's the case, the whole 'legal or not' bit |
| [20:36:43] | wagnerrp: | Josh__: that just means it's already to write drivers for the card |
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| [20:36:55] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, correct. |
| [20:37:00] | kormoc: | cause if it's not legal... well... it's not legal... |
| [20:37:14] | Josh__: | kormoc, agreed. |
| [20:39:36] | sphery: | Defense|Twin: enable active EIT scanning if you want it doing it all the time |
| [20:39:52] | jamey: | does myth work like this. frontend connects to db finds out where backend is then starts communication with backend! |
| [20:40:03] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [20:40:23] | sphery: | jamey: have you read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview |
| [20:40:36] | wagnerrp: | and.... frontend connects to backend, to figure out where db is, to figure out where backend is, then starts communication with backend |
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| [20:40:44] | wagnerrp: | wrap your head around that one |
| [20:41:03] | jamey: | kisses i can telly by the diagram that is exactly what i want to read |
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| [20:41:55] | wagnerrp: | is there any way to limit a recording to a single tuner? |
| [20:42:02] | wagnerrp: | i only see an option to prioritize a tuner |
| [20:42:17] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, I think there's an option in mythweb |
| [20:42:25] | wagnerrp: | yeah, to prioritize a tuner |
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| [20:42:29] | Josh__: | ahh. |
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| [20:43:15] | wagnerrp: | i should just remove channels i get digitally from my analog lineup |
| [20:43:36] | bbigras: | I have a working mythtv setup and a working channel-changer script. But if I set this script in mytv-setup, when I try to watch tv, it changes the channel correctly but the tv stream don't start and I get back into the menu. any ideas? |
| [20:44:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yes... you use a "this channel" rule and ensure that the callsign is unique to that capture card input |
| [20:44:23] | Defense|Twin: | sphery: where can i enable active EIT scanning? |
| [20:44:30] | wagnerrp: | sphery: great... but the show is on multiple channels |
| [20:44:34] | wagnerrp: | id have to make multiple rules |
| [20:44:59] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so, even if you happen to have identical channels on all inputs, then make 2 otherwise identical video sources with different names and use different callsigns for one |
| [20:45:04] | sphery: | wagnerrp: custom rules |
| [20:45:20] | wagnerrp: | hmm... never set up a custom rule before |
| [20:45:47] | sphery: | oh, and myth will actually only download the data once if 2 video sources share a lineup, so it's no longer wasteful to do that |
| [20:46:11] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: still around? |
| [20:46:15] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [20:46:38] | wagnerrp: | i hit '(Hide)' on the advanced options in the recording schedule |
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| [20:46:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: the custom clause could be something as simple as "AND callsign LIKE '%-special'" |
| [20:46:44] | wagnerrp: | and it dumps me back to the main page |
| [20:46:48] | sphery: | to limit it to that |
| [20:46:52] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [20:46:52] | kormoc: | rgr |
| [20:47:06] | sphery: | wagnerrp: maybe it just hid the whole page? |
| [20:47:41] | wagnerrp: | it hid the options, and then it followed the link (http://mythweb.wagnerrp.com/#) |
| [20:48:59] | sphery: | yeah, that was a poor attempt at humor |
| [20:49:25] | wagnerrp: | well that cant be right.... a hour long 1080i recording at 2.6GB |
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| [20:53:48] | wagnerrp: | behavior still the same on current revision (21904) |
| [20:54:01] | jamey: | so all the settings for the frontend are stored in the database, which i suppose gives you the advantage of being able to have a very dumb frontend |
| [20:56:23] | wagnerrp: | seems the display button works (no links) but the hide button has a link back to the main page |
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| [20:58:55] | Josh__: | jamey, just make sure all your frontends have unique hostnames |
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| [21:06:03] | gandalfcome: | I'm trying to revive the mythbuntu system my parents used. But to my dismay I realized that there's no preinstalled grabber for germany, whats the current situation? |
| [21:06:16] | kormoc: | install xmltv? |
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| [21:07:35] | gandalfcome: | oh its installed afaik. it comes as default with mythbuntu doesnt it? |
| [21:07:43] | notlistening: | Hi I am using mythbackend with a Gomerun and am using the homerun directly with another software but i think myth is changin channels periodically to get the EIT information is that how it is set to work? |
| [21:07:56] | laga: | gandalfcome: tv_grab_eu_epgdata should be installed and working |
| [21:08:18] | meshe: | notlistening: myth requires that it's tuners are dedicated to it |
| [21:08:27] | wagnerrp: | notlistening: if you have mythtv setup to grab EIT, yes, it will scrape EIT data during idle time |
| [21:08:43] | wagnerrp: | myth does not require such, but it expects it |
| [21:09:04] | wagnerrp: | and unless you absolutely know what youre doing, youre probably going to cause problems by sharing tuners with other apps |
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| [21:09:31] | wagnerrp: | although im surprised the other program did not lock the tuner |
| [21:10:06] | gandalfcome: | laga: but i'll have to pay for that? |
| [21:10:13] | notlistening: | ah okay so in theory i can set it to use one tuner for EIT scanning / recording and the other for live TV? |
| [21:10:23] | iamlindoro: | Yes, well, not everything can be free :) |
| [21:11:00] | notlistening: | yeah i was half expecting it to but i am just at the experimental stage of the setup and it is not working as expected yet |
| [21:11:42] | iamlindoro: | notlistening: was talking to gandalfcome |
| [21:11:42] | laga: | gandalfcome: yeah, so what? that doesn't mean there is no grabber for germany |
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| [21:13:26] | notlistening: | the other question i wanted to ask was when i a m post process on movies etc can you pull the mysql data into the file name when it processes and is that what other people do? |
| [21:14:02] | iamlindoro: | I really, really don't understand that question |
| [21:14:09] | notlistening: | oh |
| [21:14:14] | wagnerrp: | notlistening: you can create a userjob that renames the file to whatever you want |
| [21:14:25] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: wow, way to parse that |
| [21:14:43] | wagnerrp: | there is a lot of data available directly from the user jobs |
| [21:14:57] | notlistening: | ah that's what i was after |
| [21:14:58] | wagnerrp: | or you can use the perl or python bindings and access the database directly to get more |
| [21:15:18] | wagnerrp: | or you can use something like mythrename.pl which already does all of that |
| [21:16:06] | wagnerrp: | it is advised that you do not rename files currently in use as recordings by mythtv, but rather link to them in another directory |
| [21:16:15] | sphery: | but don't use mythrename.pl directly as it will rename all your recordings (and that will break some things) |
| [21:16:34] | sphery: | mythrename.pl --link is good, then copy the link name for your transcoded copy |
| [21:16:35] | wagnerrp: | if youre exporting outside of mythtv, or into mythvideo, you can do whatever you want |
| [21:17:05] | sphery: | guess I should have let wagnerrp finish, as he was saying all those things, anyway |
| [21:17:12] | wagnerrp: | :P |
| [21:17:12] | notlistening: | sphery, right so when copying outside of the myth control dirs as the name directly realted to the db right |
| [21:17:54] | wagnerrp: | notlistening: look at mythrename.pl, it lets you set a custom format string to use as the new filename |
| [21:18:37] | notlistening: | okay will give that a blast |
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| [21:19:35] | notlistening: | and will myth auto copy files away or can i setup a cron job to do that but check the files are a few hoursold or that they are not being written to first |
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| [21:19:56] | wagnerrp: | for instance, i use '%pY%-%pm%-%pd/(%pH%pi%-%peH%pei) %T %- %S', which resolves to '0000-00–00/(0000 – 0000) Title – Subtitle.extension' |
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| [21:21:09] | wagnerrp: | and '%T/(%oY%-%om%-%od) %S' for 'Title/(0000-00–00) Subtitle.extension' |
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| [21:37:18] | Wobler: | I can't tune on to one channel, when I have some other channel recording. As in, when I'm recording a free to air channel, I can't watch channel 4, which is also free to air. It's on another dvb stream, but I have 2 dvb cards for free to air shows. If I choose Switch Input -> and choose an input which is from another dvb card, the channel changes to channel 4, even though I choosed it earlier, but the channel changed to chann |
| [21:37:43] | Wobler: | have I found a bug, or is this user error of some sort? |
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| [21:46:48] | sphery: | Wobler: it's because Myth isn't designed for LiveTV... |
| [21:47:11] | Wobler: | bad excuse |
| [21:47:21] | sphery: | not an excuse |
| [21:47:32] | sphery: | that's because Myth was designed to prioritize recordings |
| [21:47:50] | sphery: | you can reconfigure your system to make livetv higher priority than recordings |
| [21:47:59] | sphery: | but changing myth to do that for all users would break it |
| [21:48:04] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/369358#369358 |
| [21:48:10] | sphery: | read the /entire/ post |
| [21:48:13] | Wobler: | yes, but in my case I have resources enough to show the channel I want to see |
| [21:48:36] | Wobler: | and record another at the same time |
| [21:48:44] | sphery: | Wobler: until you've read the code, you can't say that |
| [21:48:54] | sphery: | i.e. there's a /lot/ more than you realize |
| [21:49:01] | sphery: | Wobler: but read the post I linked |
| [21:49:10] | sphery: | it has all the information for how to reconfigure your system to make it work like you want |
| [21:49:22] | sphery: | and has all the info about some of the situations where it will cause problems |
| [21:49:47] | sphery: | and has a final recommended approach at the bottom that you should use, but you have to read the rest to understand how to do that |
| [21:49:58] | Wobler: | ok, I'll read that. but I suspect its a bug, cause of I have to manually change the dvb card in use... and scheduled recordings does that automatically |
| [21:50:03] | sphery: | or, the best approach is to just hit a button to go to another capture card |
| [21:50:10] | sphery: | or use the EPG to change channels |
| [21:50:15] | sphery: | no, it is /not/ a bug |
| [21:51:07] | Wobler: | yes, hitting the number button gets me to a wrong channel. trying it with epg gets me also to wrong channel |
| [21:51:10] | sphery: | Wobler: Myth is attempting to ensure that as many capture cards as possible remain unused (=available for recordings) so it puts you on the already-in use one |
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| [21:51:36] | sphery: | Wobler: that's a bug (that's been reported on about 3 or 4 tickets), but it's not what you said was the bug :) |
| [21:51:44] | Wobler: | yes, and that one is on a wrong dvb multiplex, cause of the recording going on |
| [21:52:07] | Gav8in: | i had something related happen to me sphery, i haven't reported it |
| [21:52:07] | sphery: | Myth's choosing to put you on the in-use input is a design decision (and the /right/ one) |
| [21:52:23] | sphery: | Wobler: but, anyway, that post tells you how to make it work like you want |
| [21:52:25] | Gav8in: | but i'll describe it here: i have had recordings stop after I browsed livetv on the same multiplexes and then stopped |
| [21:52:30] | Gav8in: | perhaps it was a PEBCAK |
| [21:52:37] | ** Gav8in returns to reading the spherylink ** | |
| [21:52:42] | Wobler: | it can't be right decision. to choose not to use an UNUSED card |
| [21:53:26] | sphery: | Gav8in: not sure what that could be |
| [21:53:31] | sphery: | Wobler: why not? |
| [21:53:44] | sphery: | Wobler: because how do you know there's not a recording that will start in 2 min |
| [21:53:53] | Gav8in: | why not boot you |
| [21:54:05] | Gav8in: | err, devil's advocate here, but why not boot you off a tuner in 2min then? |
| [21:54:16] | Gav8in: | my other DVR did that; it even warned ya |
| [21:54:18] | sphery: | Wobler: wouldn't it be /far/ worse to stick you on your 2nd unsed capture card where you'll get booted from LiveTV when that recoring starts in 2 min? |
| [21:54:30] | Gav8in: | "i'm totally using this input in two minutes so FU then" |
| [21:54:40] | Wobler: | if there are no recordings coming up, there is only one recording going on with card number 1, card number 2 has no use for recordings. then I choose to watch a live-tv show, why can't I use the unused card number2? |
| [21:54:54] | sphery: | that's what it does if you brea^H^H^H^Hreconfigure your system to do what he wants |
| [21:55:19] | sphery: | Wobler: how do we know there are no recordings coming up? each time the scheduler runs what will record can change |
| [21:55:24] | sphery: | meaning we might be recording |
| [21:55:39] | sphery: | still, MythTV is a DVR where R means Recorder, not a DVLiveTVPlayer |
| [21:56:10] | Wobler: | that situation is not going to happen right now, I know there is no other recordings coming? And wouldn't it be better to ask at the livetv window that do you want to choose watching and botch a recording thats about to start, or to change channel and allow the recording? |
| [21:56:16] | mag0o: | that's quote worthy |
| [21:56:43] | Wobler: | right |
| [21:57:25] | Wobler: | still, I've seen this window asking to choose the course to take earlier, before I had 2 cards |
| [21:58:10] | Wobler: | but, I'll go on to read that URL, perhaps I'm just stupid to expect to use a free card. |
| [21:58:27] | sphery: | Wobler: and if you reconfigure your system as I mentioned in that very long post I wrote up to tell people how to do what you want, it will do exactly that |
| [21:58:46] | sphery: | Wobler: but that is /not/ the right configuration for people who do not use LiveTV as it can break recordings |
| [21:59:09] | sphery: | so, since Myth is designed to record TV, we've configured it--by default--to work as a recorder |
| [21:59:17] | Wobler: | I use it for livetv and dvr. I actually can't watch livetv without it |
| [21:59:18] | sphery: | those who want a LiveTV player can reconfigure it as mentioned |
| [21:59:39] | Wobler: | ok, I'll read the link |
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| [22:03:43] | Gav8in: | i was made grumpy by the stopping-recordings i had |
| [22:03:50] | Gav8in: | grumpy enough to turn off multiplex recording |
| [22:04:29] | Wobler: | I've never had that happened to me. I have set it so that I get 3 channels from one dvb card |
| [22:04:35] | sphery: | that's definitely an interesting behavior... |
| [22:05:03] | sphery: | I don't see how it could possibly happen other than through some card/driver issue that causes the card to stop sending data |
| [22:05:14] | Gav8in: | dude, i missed an episode of law and order |
| [22:05:22] | Gav8in: | yeah, my suspicions were likewise, but i didn't debug or file a bug report |
| [22:05:35] | Gav8in: | (hdhr fwiw) |
| [22:05:37] | sphery: | as even if you browse to the same logical channel that is being recorded, it's still 2 different recordings (one livetv, one not--unless someone changed that recently) |
| [22:05:55] | Gav8in: | i believe it's still like you just said |
| [22:05:58] | sphery: | well, on the bright side, L&O repeats like 20 times a day, so... |
| [22:06:05] | Gav8in: | <-- broadcast! |
| [22:06:11] | sphery: | ahh |
| [22:06:12] | Gav8in: | it was a rerun from last season! |
| [22:06:21] | Gav8in: | now you've made me sad again by bringing the moment back |
| [22:06:26] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:06:57] | sphery: | So, anyone have http://thewandcompany.com/ working with Myth? |
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| [22:07:59] | sphery: | everyone's always asking for the perfect remote, so why not http://thewandcompany.com/ ? |
| [22:08:10] | sphery: | If it's good enough for Harry P, ... |
| [22:08:21] | iamlindoro: | LMDRC |
| [22:08:32] | iamlindoro: | Linux Magic Device Remote Control |
| [22:08:37] | sphery: | heh |
| [22:08:46] | sphery: | it really is a remote control, though |
| [22:08:50] | iamlindoro: | Hey, has anyone got an example lmdrcrc for myth + a Draco Malfoy AX-7? |
| [22:09:06] | sphery: | obviously you know your Harry Potter... |
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| [22:09:14] | sphery: | Maybe just a little /too/ well... |
| [22:09:29] | iamlindoro: | Because I know one character name? |
| [22:09:52] | sphery: | 2, I presume, as most people know Harry's name... |
| [22:09:55] | sphery: | (only one I know) |
| [22:10:04] | Gav8in: | Hermione. |
| [22:10:09] | defaultro: | good afternoon folks, what could be some reason why I am not able to see anymore video on my /dev/video? I did cat /dev/video > test.mpg and it's not showing any video stream, just audio |
| [22:10:27] | defaultro: | my card is Dvico Fusionhdtv 5, the old one |
| [22:10:29] | sphery: | defaultro: player misconfigured? |
| [22:10:37] | defaultro: | sphery, i'm using cat |
| [22:10:39] | sphery: | defaultro: or using S-Video/Composite without a video input? |
| [22:10:39] | iamlindoro: | a FusionHDTV is a framegrabber |
| [22:10:42] | iamlindoro: | cat won't work |
| [22:10:46] | defaultro: | ok |
| [22:10:53] | sphery: | defaultro: but I'm assuming that you're playing that back with something. |
| [22:10:59] | defaultro: | mythtv just records color cyan or blue iirc but with sound |
| [22:11:10] | sphery: | though seems iamlindoro knows more about it than I |
| [22:11:20] | sphery: | cyan or blue is probably your color key |
| [22:11:37] | defaultro: | iamlindoro, what should I look at? |
| [22:11:53] | iamlindoro: | No idea, I haven't owned a framegrabber in years |
| [22:11:56] | defaultro: | the digital recording of the cards works pretty well |
| [22:12:02] | iamlindoro: | Just saying your diagnostic method won't tell you anything |
| [22:12:03] | defaultro: | of the card, i mean :) |
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| [22:12:53] | sphery: | defaultro: just make sure you set it (the analog side) up as a V4L capture card in Myth, not as an MPEG-2 encoder |
| [22:13:23] | defaultro: | ah, let me check that too |
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| [22:17:54] | sphery: | heh: "so Mike Dean has a link to give people when they ask" |
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| [22:21:09] | Wobler: | sphery: ok, I read it. The last unverified method might do the trick. But even still, I think that the livetv card choosing mechanism should be the same as with recordings... |
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| [22:23:53] | sphery: | Wobler: yeah, the last unverified method is the best approach |
| [22:24:29] | sphery: | Wobler: I'm sure it will work, but if you configure it that way, I'd appreciate your mentioning it--and whether it works--so I can quit calling it unverified. :) |
| [22:24:49] | sphery: | just mention my nick in here anytime and I'll see your message |
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| [22:34:39] | Wobler: | sphery: ok. I can actually try it pretty fast. Is it enough that I just add max recordings by one for the two cards? I did it so that my first card has tuners 1,2,3 and 9, second card 4,5,6,10. I have avoid conflicts on. When I choose channels, it's working ok. but when I start a recording first, then choose a channel for live-tv, I end up using both cards, even if they are on the same mux... |
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| [22:35:22] | Wobler: | so atleast this method is not good for me. If I take the avoid conflicts off, how does that change the behaviour? |
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| [22:38:32] | sphery: | Wobler: if you disable avoid conflicts, then you've done nothing--it will always start on the used-by-recording card and always "lock" you to that multiplex |
| [22:39:04] | sphery: | Wobler: so, you're starting to see the considerations here and how it affects our choice of defaults |
| [22:39:48] | sphery: | Wobler: note that in trunk (soon to be 0.22), there's an option to browse channels across inputs, and it will allow you to select a channel on another multiplex |
| [22:40:00] | sphery: | Wobler: but the price you pay for it is /all/ channel changes (even on the same input) are slower |
| [22:40:09] | sphery: | so it's disabled by default |
| [22:40:22] | Wobler: | where is it? I haven't stumbled on it? |
| [22:40:33] | sphery: | you're on trunk? |
| [22:40:35] | Wobler: | yes |
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| [22:41:32] | sphery: | Browse all channels in OSD Settings |
| [22:41:37] | defaultro: | sphery, it was set to analog |
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| [22:41:49] | defaultro: | i changed /dev/video0 to /dev/video, no luck |
| [22:42:04] | Wobler: | I don't mind if the channel changes are slower, that is acceptable, but the WAF plummets if she can't just choose a channel... |
| [22:42:42] | Wobler: | sphery: OSD settings. ok, I'll go browsing for it. |
| [22:43:01] | sphery: | Wobler: the best way to get that is to configure it the way you said doesn't work for you--1,2,3 and 9 for card 1 and 4,5,6,10 for card 2--and /always/ use a distinct card for LiveTV |
| [22:43:32] | sphery: | Wobler: and, if you say, "But what if I want to record 2 shows on different muxes," the right answer is, "Get a 3rd (or 4th or 5th or ...)" card |
| [22:43:48] | sphery: | i.e. get a card whose sole purpose is WAF |
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| [22:43:57] | Wobler: | sphery: I have not enough PCI slots... :D |
| [22:44:08] | Wobler: | :) |
| [22:44:09] | sphery: | that's why we allow remote backends :) |
| [22:45:15] | Wobler: | ok :) I'll have to ask allowance from the Goverment to get one extra backend machine, if I can't find suitable solution otherwise... |
| [22:45:31] | sphery: | but basically, you either share a tuner--meaning you get locked unless you enable browse across tuners or use EPG or type in channel number (though it does the change to first channel on other input thing right now because you're using unstable/not-released trunk)--or you have a card that's for LiveTV |
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| [22:46:39] | Wobler: | I'll have to try that browse across tuners. It sounds promiseable... |
| [22:48:20] | sphery: | right now you'll still get the same problem of it changing to the wrong channel (the first one in the video source) |
| [22:48:46] | Wobler: | is that going to change? |
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| [22:49:48] | sphery: | yep, once we find and squash the bug :) |
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| [23:05:28] | Wobler: | ok |
| [23:06:43] | Josh__: | Stupid question. On Trunk, I set a storage group for "Screenshots", However, in the frontend, the default path for screenshots is set to "/tmp/" .. Is this intended? Shouldn't the frontend now be using the backend's storage group for Screenshots? |
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| [23:10:35] | sphery: | Josh__: we currently allow both local and storage-group based setups, and the local settings are host-specific (allowing them to be different) |
| [23:10:50] | sphery: | not sure if that's what you were asking, but just trying to help |
| [23:11:25] | sphery: | and to use SG's for images, you have to use SG's for videos |
| [23:11:28] | sphery: | see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [23:11:34] | Josh__: | sphery, that helps, I'm just trying to wrap my head around the functionality. |
| [23:11:43] | Wobler: | hmmm. I'll have to teach the Wife the osd menu switch input method. |
| [23:11:59] | sphery: | Wobler: or just map a key to NEXTCARD |
| [23:12:05] | mzb: | sphery, how can a tuner be selected for live tv (WAF use) only? |
| [23:12:24] | mzb: | (otherwise known as the WAF tuner;)) |
| [23:12:37] | sphery: | mzb: by having sufficient capture cards that it won't ever be used for recordings |
| [23:12:43] | Josh__: | sphery, so there's an option there for the SG settings (and contained contend) to override the local? (or some other way to ensure the backend's screenshots, fanart, coverart are used) |
| [23:12:58] | sphery: | mzb: or you could actually forcibly prevent it with a separate LiveTV video source and avoid conflicts |
| [23:13:08] | mzb: | hmm ... let's see five multiplexes total, 4 tuners ... nope ... won't happen ;) |
| [23:13:16] | mzb: | hmm |
| [23:13:19] | Wobler: | sphery: I use N800 with Irreco as an remote control, so there are not so much buttons to be defined, to keep the touch pad simple... |
| [23:13:27] | sphery: | and having recording rules that never match on those channels |
| [23:13:28] | mzb: | nope ... sometimes want to use it |
| [23:13:39] | Josh__: | mzb, I've got the same thing on my system, except it's for my wife's 70 year old grandmother that is capable of, but refuses to, learn new technology. |
| [23:13:59] | mzb: | Wobler, mine has not been able to remember the menu "switch input" method |
| [23:14:19] | Wobler: | :) |
| [23:14:36] | mzb: | ps: try that on a 10 button RF keychain controller ;) |
| [23:14:50] | mzb: | (or on a wii) |
| [23:14:58] | Wobler: | yep |
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| [23:15:37] | ** mzb is now up to 3 convenient, WAF-accepted methods of remote control (other than "change channels for me") ** | |
| [23:15:47] | Josh__: | mzb, I just deleted all the analog channels that were also available on the digital source. |
| [23:16:08] | mzb: | I have digital and analogue separate |
| [23:16:15] | mzb: | (and satellite) |
| [23:16:35] | mzb: | although atm analogue and satellite are not hooked up |
| [23:17:07] | Josh__: | sphery, another question, Back in 0.21 we used to be able to use colons to seperate search directorys in mythvideo and mythmusic. Has that changed? |
| [23:17:20] | wagnerrp: | sorta |
| [23:17:23] | Josh__: | if I specify two directories specified by a colon, it doenst find any files. |
| [23:17:43] | wagnerrp: | that should work fine... but the better way to do it is to put them both in the Videos storage group |
| [23:18:06] | Josh__: | and leave the frontend videos directory blank? |
| [23:18:12] | Wobler: | I still seem to have one problem. when the combined FE+BE is auto started for a recording, mythwelcome always starts FE, thus preventing the system to shutdown after recording. BE log shows auto startup assumed, FE log shows mythshutdown --startup returned 1... Does the N800 remote control to tcp port count as client connected? |
| [23:18:16] | mzb: | oh ... if it's time for strange questions ... |
| [23:18:27] | wagnerrp: | leave it black, or point it at an empty directory |
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| [23:18:43] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, kk, I'm still gettig used to using SG's :) |
| [23:18:47] | wagnerrp: | i think you might actually need something there for mythvideo to work, that may have been changed |
| [23:18:48] | mzb: | I've recently changed my playback profile (to xvmc?) and now my fast forward speeds are eratic |
| [23:19:05] | mzb: | (particularly noticeable on a wii controller) |
| [23:19:43] | wagnerrp: | chances are you dont want to be using xvmc |
| [23:20:10] | wagnerrp: | however issues with fast forward were addressed in a recent commit |
| [23:20:21] | mzb: | hmm ... so it's my imagination that playback was slightly better with xvmc on? |
| [23:20:25] | mzb: | ah |
| [23:20:31] | mzb: | how recent? ;) |
| [23:20:32] | wagnerrp: | what is your processor? |
| [23:20:37] | mzb: | x2 4400+ |
| [23:21:04] | wagnerrp: | somewhere in the 21800 range |
| [23:21:10] | wagnerrp: | you shouldnt be using xvmc |
| [23:21:20] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, 21800 range? |
| [23:21:28] | wagnerrp: | revision |
| [23:21:31] | mzb: | rats, Im 21604 |
| [23:21:43] | Josh__: | wagnerrp, oh, duh. |
| [23:21:44] | mzb: | shouldn't be? how come? |
| [23:23:02] | Josh__: | Hmm, still doesnt find any videos. |
| [23:23:09] | wagnerrp: | because XvMC sucks? |
| [23:23:41] | mzb: | aw, just coz I can't afford VDPAU :| |
| [23:23:41] | wagnerrp: | xvmc is only a partial offload of mpeg2 |
| [23:23:54] | mzb: | I'd have thought it was still better than nothing |
| [23:24:03] | wagnerrp: | meaning you can get by with any P4, instead of only high end P4s, for HD mpeg2 |
| [23:24:20] | wagnerrp: | in the process, it restricts you severely on OSD capability |
| [23:24:50] | wagnerrp: | so if you dont need xvmc to get by, you shouldnt use xvmc |
| [23:25:02] | mzb: | hmm ... so complete waste of time for X2 4400+ .... the (erratic) fast forward is *cough* spectacularly fast ;) |
| [23:25:03] | wagnerrp: | and you should be using no more than half of one of those cores for playback |
| [23:25:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats what this ticket addressed |
| [23:25:24] | mzb: | heh ... nowhere near that much |
| [23:25:45] | wagnerrp: | here we go... 21890 |
| [23:25:52] | mzb: | ah, thankds |
| [23:25:52] | Josh__: | hmm. |
| [23:26:05] | wagnerrp: | 'as a result video frames were displayed as fast as the hardware could handle |
| [23:26:06] | Josh__: | specified a single videos directory in the frontend and it still doesnt see any videos. |
| [23:27:00] | wagnerrp: | who is skamithi? ive not seen that commiter before |
| [23:28:31] | iamlindoro: | Stanley Kamithi |
| [23:28:34] | iamlindoro: | DVD guy |
| [23:28:47] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [23:29:20] | mzb: | wagnerrp, I have not noticed the ff issue with xvmc turned off (ie: using xv instead ... can't remember the last selection) |
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| [23:29:48] | wagnerrp: | its nothing to do with xvmc, its the player in general |
| [23:30:08] | wagnerrp: | but its a lot more common when hardware acceleration is used |
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| [23:31:20] | mzb: | ok, so I should be using xv then? (and update trunk?) |
| [23:31:38] | mzb: | (could have sworn I rebuilt only a matter of days ago;)) |
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| [23:31:45] | wagnerrp: | correct (unless you have good reason, you should be using slim) |
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| [23:32:07] | mzb: | slim? um ... now you've lost me |
| [23:32:21] | meshe: | slim playback profile |
| [23:32:22] | wagnerrp: | playback profile |
| [23:32:24] | wagnerrp: | slim |
| [23:32:37] | mzb: | I know what it is ... I don't understand the logic |
| [23:33:13] | wagnerrp: | unless you need to correct for slow hardware, slim is a good default |
| [23:33:20] | mzb: | ok |
| [23:33:47] | mzb: | let's see if I can get her to pause while she's breast feeding ;)) |
| [23:33:47] | wagnerrp: | correcting for slow hardware includes enabling hardware acceleration like xvmc or vdpau |
| [23:34:12] | wagnerrp: | there are so many confusing things about that statement.... |
| [23:35:56] | mzb: | yep, but I get the idea |
| [23:37:10] | mzb: | thanks for that, profile changed ... we'll see how WAF goes (rebuild will have to be later ... but before house warming on Sunday!) |
| [23:37:32] | wagnerrp: | rebuild in the background, not like you dont have the power |
| [23:37:53] | meshe: | slim has fixed playback issues on both of my myth boxes that are from old hardware |
| [23:38:03] | mzb: | hmm ... my script turns off the frontend and backend prior to build ;) |
| [23:38:16] | mzb: | otherwise I'll get WAF--- and "WSAF" --- (where WS=Wife's Sister;)) |
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| [23:39:27] | mzb: | I'll hack it and see how I go |
| [23:40:04] | wagnerrp: | just make sure to set it -j1 |
| [23:40:27] | mzb: | why? |
| [23:40:45] | mzb: | I don't have issues doing -jN on multi-core boxen |
| [23:41:01] | wagnerrp: | one core for for compiling, one core for mythtv playback |
| [23:41:05] | meshe: | nice 20 make -j1 |
| [23:41:36] | mzb: | yeah ... about it ... she's being painful, so I'll wait until later for rebuild ;) |
| [23:41:57] | mzb: | time for me to exit, and get on with all the jobs around the house (still//again) |
| [23:42:04] | mzb: | thanks for your help ... |
| [23:42:17] | meshe: | how far south do i need to move for eternal summer? |
| [23:42:26] | ** mzb goes back to wiring ** | |
| [23:43:01] | wagnerrp: | depends on how close you are to the coast |
| [23:43:19] | wagnerrp: | does seattle ever really get that cold? |
| [23:43:35] | meshe: | i'm actually saying that because of the rain |
| [23:43:56] | meshe: | and i'm looking into moving to Seattle |
| [23:45:04] | meshe: | Seattle has almost the exact same weather as Vancouver |
| [23:46:54] | jblack: | seattle is in almost the same place as vancouver. :) |
| [23:47:18] | wagnerrp: | rainy, with a chance of flu |
| [23:47:38] | jblack: | speaking of which, anyone come down with bacon flu yet? |
| [23:47:43] | meshe: | was just down there for a week, very tempted to make a move |
| [23:47:53] | wagnerrp: | are you kidding? kormoc has had that for months |
| [23:47:55] | meshe: | there's those pesky immigration laws though |
| [23:48:40] | wagnerrp: | causes erratic behavior, like putting bacon in vodka |
| [23:48:55] | meshe: | everything goes good with Vodka |
| [23:48:58] | jblack: | they say bacon makes everything better |
| [23:49:03] | meshe: | haha |
| [23:49:22] | wagnerrp: | well then... it must be the perfect combination |
| [23:49:43] | kormoc: | The swine flu and Bacon Flus have been battling it off for weeks... |
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| [23:50:02] | sphery: | heh bacon flu |
| [23:50:04] | kormoc: | *battling it out |
| [23:50:44] | sphery: | not much time.. must ... finish .... bacon |
| [23:51:23] | wagnerrp: | 64 slices of american bacon |
| [23:51:56] | meshe: | kormoc: hows the job market in Seattle? |
| [23:52:20] | kormoc: | meshe: right now, for anyone non-entry level, fairly strong |
| [23:52:30] | meshe: | nice |
| [23:52:40] | kormoc: | Toss me a resume and I could likely get you a few interviews/etc |
| [23:53:23] | meshe: | Thanks, I'll let you know for sure if we decide to go that direction, for sure, we are still exploring it |
| [23:53:45] | meshe: | my husband is american, and trying to figure out what it would take for me to work down there |
| [23:54:15] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
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