| Monday, September 14th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:12] | sphery: | So, he'll /finally/ use his powers for good? |
| [00:00:20] | superdump: | http://pastebin.com/d449105fd |
| [00:00:54] | superdump: | 2009-09–14 00:58:57.670 Could not find theme: Classic – Switching to default |
| [00:01:03] | iamlindoro: | superdump, it "feels" like your prefixes on the theme and program install might be mismatched |
| [00:01:07] | sphery: | superdump: sorry, try: mythfrontend -O MenuTheme=classic |
| [00:01:20] | iamlindoro: | but try that :) |
| [00:01:21] | sphery: | that's quite possible, too |
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| [00:02:21] | superdump: | http://pastebin.com/de837ebb |
| [00:03:05] | sphery: | we need to revert http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21235 (after all, look at # |
| [00:03:08] | sphery: | 2009-09–14 00:58:58.937 Cannot load language en_gb for module mytharchive |
| [00:03:18] | superdump: | i removed everything from /usr/local/share/mythtv/themes and then went into trunk/themes and did make distclean && ./configure && make && sudo make install |
| [00:03:27] | sphery: | # |
| [00:03:28] | sphery: | 2009-09–14 01:00:52.492 MythThemedMenu: Couldn't read menu file mainmenu.xml |
| [00:03:39] | sphery: | must learn to copy from pastebin.com... |
| [00:04:05] | sphery: | superdump: ls -l /usr/{,local/}share/mythtv/themes/classic/mainmenu.xml |
| [00:04:50] | iamlindoro: | I'm stepping "away" for a few minutes, I promised I'd do default-wide for the new schedule editor and I want to do a little... will keep monitoring though |
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| [00:05:38] | superdump: | classic wasn't installed because it's not in trunk/themes |
| [00:05:50] | iamlindoro: | classic should be in trunk/mythtv/themes |
| [00:05:54] | superdump: | went into trunk/mythtv and did make install |
| [00:05:54] | sphery: | classic is in trunk/mythtv/themes |
| [00:06:15] | sphery: | for a guy who's not here anymore, iamlindoro sure is fast at typing... |
| [00:06:20] | iamlindoro: | pew pew! |
| [00:06:42] | superdump: | back in businees now |
| [00:06:46] | superdump: | business* |
| [00:06:52] | superdump: | thanks |
| [00:06:54] | sphery: | beesknees? |
| [00:06:56] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [00:07:08] | iamlindoro: | superdump, Check Graphite + that bg image too |
| [00:07:21] | superdump: | lots of '?' |
| [00:07:21] | superdump: | :) |
| [00:07:30] | superdump: | is there any thumbnail generation thing? |
| [00:07:47] | iamlindoro: | Not yet, but there *will* be :) |
| [00:07:51] | superdump: | hehehe |
| [00:08:04] | iamlindoro: | it was planned for .22 but TBH I'm not quite sure it will make it |
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| [00:08:36] | superdump: | so yeah, just so you know, if you see that issue again, it was my bad for removing all the themes and then not reinstalling the ones from the mythtv source dir, only the ones from the themes dir |
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| [00:09:11] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [00:09:15] | iamlindoro: | should have thought of that |
| [00:09:28] | And4713: | well thats just great, the simple act of trying to do anything involving keymapping has broken this remote support permanantly |
| [00:09:49] | And4713: | I guess thats what I get for not leaving well enough alone |
| [00:09:51] | wagnerrp: | ... i bet thats why my themes stopped working |
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| [00:10:00] | wagnerrp: | i hadnt updated myththemes |
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| [00:10:46] | wagnerrp: | well... on the one box that uses an old 4:3 theme anyway |
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| [00:11:22] | superdump: | step two is to get the upnp stuff working with my 360 |
| [00:11:23] | sphery: | the fun part will be when themes get shuffled, again, before release |
| [00:11:43] | sphery: | Graphite to (somewhere? maybe) mythtv/themes, then all the rest of themes to oldthemes |
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| [00:16:49] | sphery: | Woah... Tonight's King of the Hill was the /series/ finale? At the beginning of a season? |
| [00:16:56] | sphery: | what's the point? |
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| [00:18:59] | iamlindoro: | I've often thought that same thing when thinking about King of the Hill |
| [00:19:06] | sphery: | heh, guess they had 6 episodes done, but didn't want to air them, so they aired 2 back-to-back and called it a series finale |
| [00:19:17] | sphery: | the other 4 will move to syndication |
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| [00:20:59] | sphery: | stupid Ctrl-Q next to Ctrl-W |
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| [00:21:50] | iamlindoro: | Stupid default wide |
| [00:22:14] | sphery: | How is that stupid? It's the basis of like 30 themes! |
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| [00:22:26] | sphery: | Everyone knows that all the best themes just use default* |
| [00:23:28] | iamlindoro: | heh, then in that case, TONS of themes are "best" |
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| [00:27:07] | superdump: | upnp server working |
| [00:27:10] | superdump: | brillo |
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| [00:29:16] | i_is_cat: | sphery, i checked that page, i do have a symlink /srv/www to /var/www so i tried switching it in mythweb and now when i refresh mythweb its back to the plain apache directory listings |
| [00:29:50] | iamlindoro: | default-wide... done! |
| [00:29:54] | iamlindoro: | Go speed themer... |
| [00:29:57] | iamlindoro: | go speed themer... |
| [00:30:04] | iamlindoro: | Go, speed themer, GO! |
| [00:30:50] | MarcT: | iamlindoro write 30 themes based on default-wide in 30 seconds. |
| [00:31:24] | iamlindoro: | cat /dev/urandom > /mythtv_committing/themes/A |
| [00:31:26] | iamlindoro: | cat /dev/urandom > /mythtv_committing/themes/B |
| [00:31:27] | iamlindoro: | cat /dev/urandom > /mythtv_committing/themes/C |
| [00:31:30] | iamlindoro: | wait, wait, almost done |
| [00:31:42] | kormoc: | that's one large theme |
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| [00:32:16] | iamlindoro: | Thanks, I get that a lot |
| [00:32:26] | MarcT: | LOL |
| [00:33:10] | sphery: | cat /dev/zero > /mythtv_committing/themes/Graphite-Zero |
| [00:33:20] | sphery: | like Graphite, but with none of the calories! |
| [00:33:25] | iamlindoro: | It's the lightest weight Graphite ever! |
| [00:33:32] | iamlindoro: | But with all the theming talent! |
| [00:33:37] | iamlindoro: | (which is to say, zero) |
| [00:33:41] | sphery: | (actually, more like MythCenter, G.A.N.T, ...) |
| [00:33:57] | kormoc: | It's a GANT life, yo! |
| [00:34:05] | iamlindoro: | Someone turn on the Arclight, it's dark in there |
| [00:35:38] | MarcT: | I take it iamlindoro is robert? |
| [00:35:44] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [00:36:00] | superdump: | does the upbp server share music as well as video? |
| [00:36:21] | iamlindoro: | superdump, Not that I've done so, but I believe so |
| [00:40:23] | wagnerrp: | of course now youll have to make a steampunk-flavored theme, named gaslight |
| [00:40:38] | iamlindoro: | leversandpulleys-wide |
| [00:41:14] | sphery: | leafersandpulleys-wide? |
| [00:41:15] | MarcT: | Costing me $300 to move.. not too bad.. but I doubt I'll get my deposite back on the apartment. Cat broke some of the blinds.. and I drilled in the wall to string a cat 5 cable through from the computer room to the TV lol |
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| [00:41:43] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that one would be bluntlight |
| [00:42:04] | iamlindoro: | GottaLight-wide |
| [00:42:10] | MarcT: | LOL |
| [00:42:43] | sphery: | BudLight-wide? |
| [00:42:59] | MarcT: | Thats for the sports fan =p |
| [00:43:01] | wagnerrp: | and would only play half baked, harold and kumar, cheech and chong, and the food channels |
| [00:43:06] | sphery: | (though if it's drinking the light beer, how did it get wide) |
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| [00:44:29] | iamlindoro: | God, I'd love a beer right now |
| [00:44:41] | iamlindoro: | I'd deserve it, too |
| [00:44:46] | superdump: | i'm hungry |
| [00:44:57] | superdump: | just thought i'd share that with you |
| [00:45:11] | ** iamlindoro bans superdump permanently for being offtopic ** | |
| [00:45:19] | superdump: | :) |
| [00:45:21] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [00:45:44] | MarcT: | iamlindoro what is your opinion on defying gravity? Since I saw it in your screenshots |
| [00:45:51] | iamlindoro: | Love it |
| [00:45:55] | iamlindoro: | so bummer it's doomed :) |
| [00:46:01] | iamlindoro: | not officially... yet... but it so is |
| [00:46:07] | MarcT: | its because of the blond chick |
| [00:46:09] | iamlindoro: | ABC + Quality programming = disaster |
| [00:46:26] | MarcT: | every show she has been in has been canceled |
| [00:46:35] | iamlindoro: | Poor Dead Like Me |
| [00:46:40] | iamlindoro: | at least it got two seasons |
| [00:46:40] | MarcT: | yeah |
| [00:46:46] | Dagmar: | And a movie |
| [00:46:50] | iamlindoro: | (which is also in my mythvideo) |
| [00:46:55] | MarcT: | mine too |
| [00:47:12] | sphery: | Poor Daisies |
| [00:47:30] | iamlindoro: | which is extra funny because the blonde chick on DLM was called "daisy" |
| [00:47:34] | MarcT: | I just finished watching the last ep I had today.. tonight the 8th ep airs. |
| [00:48:40] | MarcT: | Daisies? |
| [00:48:42] | iamlindoro: | I have half a hope that because it's paid for my four different companies in four different countries, that it might have a shot at least of being on somewhere else |
| [00:48:47] | iamlindoro: | Pushing Daisies |
| [00:48:51] | MarcT: | OH |
| [00:48:54] | iamlindoro: | a reference to ABC + Quality = bust |
| [00:49:14] | sphery: | not much different from Fox, though |
| [00:49:29] | iamlindoro: | meanwhile we get four seasons of the POS that is Heroes |
| [00:49:38] | iamlindoro: | and five nights of stupid leno a week |
| [00:49:53] | wagnerrp: | what has fox killed but firefly? |
| [00:50:06] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I demand you link him to the Family guy video |
| [00:50:34] | sphery: | following on the Brian Fuller theme, Wonderfalls! |
| [00:50:36] | wagnerrp: | family guy was on for like 5 seasons before they canned it (the first time) |
| [00:50:46] | sphery: | (Which was wonderful!) |
| [00:50:55] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, No, there's a Family Guy bit where they list, for multiple minutes, all the good shows they've canceled |
| [00:51:07] | superdump: | :) |
| [00:51:15] | iamlindoro: | Oh, and Just off the top of my head: Angel, Drive, Terminator |
| [00:51:16] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [00:51:25] | wagnerrp: | terminator had two seasons |
| [00:51:27] | sphery: | http://www.hulu.com/watch/41275/canceled |
| [00:51:28] | Dagmar: | i dunno about T:SCC bein in that list |
| [00:52:03] | wagnerrp: | angel had five, and was a spinoff of buffy which had another seven |
| [00:52:04] | MarcT: | At the end of TSCC I my heart was racing and I was like WTF???? |
| [00:52:06] | sphery: | ahh, not available |
| [00:52:13] | sphery: | stupid hulu |
| [00:52:44] | wagnerrp: | drive... i vaguely remember seeing ads for that |
| [00:52:49] | Dagmar: | xzcvczx: By significant digits, "9.8" is accurate enough for hundreds of miles below ground and above mountain peaks |
| [00:52:52] | Dagmar: | wrong chan |
| [00:52:54] | sphery: | Drive wasn't bad |
| [00:53:16] | MarcT: | Drive, that was the cross country race one right?? had like 3 eps? |
| [00:53:31] | MarcT: | With nathan fullon? |
| [00:53:48] | Dagmar: | Wow I never even knew that managed to get airtime |
| [00:53:50] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [00:54:00] | iamlindoro: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyxO0558KG0 |
| [00:54:01] | wagnerrp: | seems it did have nathan fillion... dont recall seeing him in any ads |
| [00:54:07] | iamlindoro: | bam! |
| [00:54:09] | iamlindoro: | canceled |
| [00:54:21] | MarcT: | yeah played for like 3 eps or so around the writers strike |
| [00:54:26] | iamlindoro: | Wonderfalls, Dark Angel |
| [00:54:27] | wagnerrp: | i can *almost* hear what theyre saying |
| [00:54:28] | iamlindoro: | there's some more |
| [00:54:48] | iamlindoro: | The Tick |
| [00:55:30] | wagnerrp: | undeclared... action... skin... girls club... never even heard of 'em |
| [00:55:35] | wagnerrp: | wasnt Fastlane a movie? |
| [00:55:40] | iamlindoro: | you need to watch undeclared :) |
| [00:55:46] | wagnerrp: | and i do miss the live action Tick |
| [00:55:49] | Dagmar: | SPOON! |
| [00:55:49] | wagnerrp: | Putty kicks ass |
| [00:55:56] | iamlindoro: | Undeclared + Freaks and Geeks = GREAT pre-movie Judd Apatow |
| [00:56:17] | wagnerrp: | the lone gunman... a spin off an a 9 season and two movie show |
| [00:56:43] | MarcT: | Just curious.. how did the promo not have nathan fillon in it? he was like the main char. |
| [00:56:48] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: I don't think any actor would have fit the role better than the one they picked for live-action Tick |
| [00:59:33] | sphery: | http://www.adultswim.com/video/?episodeID=0e0 . . . a0d118bb0ccc |
| [00:59:37] | sphery: | I get no video, but... |
| [00:59:41] | sphery: | has the audio |
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| [01:00:59] | wagnerrp: | so is Modern Family supposed to be another Arrested Development? |
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| [01:02:11] | Wicked: | i wish they didnt cancel arrested development :( |
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| [01:03:17] | sphery: | stupid Flash – Don't see video? Upgrade your Flash player here. |
| [01:03:27] | sphery: | (but there's no newer Flash for Linux) |
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| [01:05:25] | wagnerrp: | no flash 8 on linux? |
| [01:05:38] | wagnerrp: | theyre still back on version 7? |
| [01:05:58] | [Peter]: | no, 10 |
| [01:06:11] | wagnerrp: | are you running noscript or something? |
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| [01:09:19] | sphery: | no, Flash 10, no add-ins in Firefox (other than Firebug, but not active) |
| [01:13:56] | dashcloud: | wagnerrp: there's 2 Lone Gunmen movies? (or did I read your statement wrong?) |
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| [01:14:28] | wagnerrp: | 'spin off of a 9 season and two movie show' |
| [01:14:36] | wagnerrp: | the show it was spun off of had two movies |
| [01:15:03] | dashcloud: | ah |
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| [01:24:10] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [01:26:23] | mattwj2002: | would intel graphic drivers on an asus eee pc 900 perform much worse in ubuntu than in windows? |
| [01:27:10] | kormoc: | talk to #ubuntu or #eeepc or #asus or #google |
| [01:27:13] | wagnerrp: | no, that chip would perform pathetically on both |
| [01:28:49] | mattwj2002: | because I can play youtube, watch hulu and do other web video in windows right now |
| [01:28:58] | mattwj2002: | I would love to make this a mythfrontend |
| [01:28:59] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [01:29:28] | iamlindoro: | It would be poor for anything but low bitrate SD |
| [01:30:09] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002: the problem is that flashplayer is a pathetically sub-optimized media player |
| [01:30:52] | wagnerrp: | it's probably straining that CPU to do Hulu content full screen in windows |
| [01:31:29] | mattwj2002: | hmm |
| [01:31:34] | wagnerrp: | where as you play it with boxee (back when hulu still allowed it) and it would take all of 5% CPU to play back |
| [01:32:46] | wagnerrp: | or you grab videos off youtube rather than playing them internally, and your batter lasts twice as long |
| [01:32:52] | wagnerrp: | battery |
| [01:34:49] | mattwj2002: | crazy |
| [01:35:19] | wagnerrp: | its not crazy, its Adobe being the devil |
| [01:41:38] | dashcloud: | apparently in response to the XKCD comic about flash, adobe's flash for linux blogger reminded folks about this: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2008/05/fl . . . the_gpu.html |
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| [01:43:58] | sphery: | Ah, yeah, GPU accelerated as long as you use proprietary drivers from ATI or nvidia... |
| [01:43:59] | wagnerrp: | why would flash player operate on RGB? none of the compressed video they feed it is in RGB? |
| [01:45:08] | wagnerrp: | ok... watching a "HD" video on youtube unscaled in windows |
| [01:45:15] | sphery: | Flash Player can not easily make use of this since Sorenson, On2, or H.264 video data — even though it is decoded as YUV — has to be converted to RGB and possibly combined with other graphical elements. This is why RGB scaling via OpenGL is the future of Flash. |
| [01:45:19] | wagnerrp: | looks to be ~640x360 |
| [01:45:29] | wagnerrp: | is taking 25% CPU |
| [01:45:31] | sphery: | this = YUV-based acceleration, such as Xv |
| [01:45:49] | wagnerrp: | thats on a 2.8GHz C2D |
| [01:45:56] | wagnerrp: | half of one whole core |
| [01:46:08] | wagnerrp: | (better not take a full core since its only single threaded) |
| [01:46:16] | And4713: | sphery, even if you arent a hardcore OSS guy which Im not as much, the conditions under which that would work are so small you would have to specifically set a machine up for it |
| [01:46:59] | wagnerrp: | now in full screen.... well actually, its still only taking 25% CPU |
| [01:47:01] | And4713: | which is still in any case just annoying and also alienates anyone who doesnt know that information |
| [01:47:04] | wagnerrp: | looks like they have at least fixed that |
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| [01:47:17] | caturday: | i'm trying to use mythtv with an hd tuner to get hd channels over the air...but it buffers too much |
| [01:47:17] | caturday: | <caturday> do i need a better antenna? or is there some setting in mythtv i can change? |
| [01:47:18] | caturday: | <caturday> sd channels are just fine |
| [01:47:35] | wagnerrp: | ok, so ignore my comments about full screen, but playback in general still sucks |
| [01:47:40] | caturday: | (pasted from #mythtv |
| [01:47:41] | caturday: | ) |
| [01:47:42] | MarcT: | iamlindoro am I to understand that mythbrowser supports hulu? |
| [01:47:49] | sphery: | And4713: the conditions under which what would work? |
| [01:47:51] | MarcT: | in a round about way? |
| [01:47:54] | iamlindoro: | yes, it works w/ Hulu |
| [01:47:59] | And4713: | acceleration |
| [01:48:06] | iamlindoro: | nothing too roundabout, just open the browser, go to hulu, watch |
| [01:48:15] | sphery: | And4713: right, and I'm annoyed |
| [01:48:31] | sphery: | thought you were saying that it's all good |
| [01:48:48] | sphery: | glad we're both on the same page, though |
| [01:48:55] | MarcT: | hmm gonna have to build browser then to test |
| [01:49:06] | And4713: | nono haha adobe needs to choke on a dick |
| [01:49:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: so out of that quote, explain why they cant use Xv? |
| [01:49:36] | MarcT: | er... I have to install flash too thou right? lol |
| [01:49:40] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [01:50:04] | And4713: | or at least be used properly instead of flash being presented as an end all be all solution to rich internet content |
| [01:50:07] | sphery: | because they allow their flash developers to composite RGB data on video, so they convert the video to RGB and they don't feel like doing it the other way |
| [01:50:08] | wagnerrp: | i mean myth has RGB overlays on Xv-accelerated video playback |
| [01:50:25] | sphery: | (i.e. converting the RGB overlays to YUV and doing things the way any fool knows is right) |
| [01:50:42] | dashcloud: | there's a more Windows-focused version of that post linked there as well |
| [01:50:45] | wagnerrp: | oh, myth converts everything to YUV for display? |
| [01:50:51] | MarcT: | lol I just looked at the date again for upcomming recordings and realized.. its my birthday. |
| [01:50:56] | sphery: | so, rather than convert RGB overlays that /sometimes/ exist in flash video to YUV, we'll /always/ convert /every frame/ of YUV video data to RGB |
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| [01:52:03] | sphery: | wagnerrp: myth converts only the stuff that's sometimes put on top of the YUV video... the video doesn't need conversion (generally--unless you're using an RGB-based renderer) |
| [01:52:44] | sphery: | but, basically, it all has to be the same colorspace in the end... so, if you have stuff in different colorspaces, something has to be converted |
| [01:53:08] | And4713: | even not playing video flash is horribly inefficient, I have pandora IDLING in a prism and its using 10% |
| [01:53:22] | wagnerrp: | i figured video data was kept separate from other X11 and opengl 2D data |
| [01:53:24] | And4713: | well 6 to 10 |
| [01:53:30] | wagnerrp: | and the video card did whatever it wanted to composite it |
| [01:54:01] | sphery: | yeah, I played last.fm for about 10mins and had to shrink the browser window to hide the entire flash thing so it wasn't DoS'ing my box |
| [01:54:24] | wagnerrp: | apparently Xoxide is going out of business |
| [01:54:48] | And4713: | well at this point flash wont even run in swiftweasel so I just use midori when encountering it or prism for something like google maps or pandora |
| [01:55:06] | And4713: | it does have the good side effect of not bogging down the main browser |
| [01:56:04] | sphery: | yeah, I run Firefox without /any/ plugins. I have a separate junk dir in which I have a home-plugins, go there, export HOME=`pwd`; firefox --no-remote |
| [01:56:18] | sphery: | then I have a flash firefox until I'm done with whatever |
| [01:56:51] | sphery: | also have Java in that one |
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| [01:57:37] | sphery: | this way, I can generally run my firefox session for about 4 days before the resource leaks become annoying enough I have to restart it |
| [01:57:46] | sphery: | with the plugins, I couldn't even run for a day |
| [01:57:57] | And4713: | actually I can do that now and I have TONS of tabs open |
| [01:58:04] | And4713: | 62 at the moment |
| [01:58:25] | And4713: | 580 megs |
| [01:58:39] | And4713: | it always catches up with you though haha |
| [01:58:45] | And4713: | I can see why you would have one cleen |
| [01:58:50] | And4713: | clean( |
| [01:58:52] | And4713: | ** |
| [01:59:11] | wagnerrp: | sphery: really? i have no problem running weeks on end |
| [01:59:46] | sphery: | well, I like to save some of my 4GB RAM for other apps |
| [02:00:19] | wagnerrp: | opening mythvideo in mythweb is the ONLY time ive ever seen firefox go over 1GB |
| [02:00:30] | And4713: | lets see |
| [02:00:45] | wagnerrp: | it seems to idle around 200–300MB for my general usage |
| [02:00:52] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you don't browse enough Trac pages... |
| [02:01:05] | wagnerrp: | apparently not |
| [02:01:41] | And4713: | according to this it has been running since yesterday at 7:50PM, and I remember why I restarted it was because something crashed it |
| [02:02:15] | sphery: | Sometimes when I close those pages, it will spin for 30s/timeout then pop up a "A script is taking too long..." dialog asking what I want to do (continue/stop script) |
| [02:02:26] | sphery: | and it seems the JS stuff kills the memory usage |
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| [02:03:11] | And4713: | sphery, I have noticed javascript is what causes the leaks too |
| [02:03:18] | wagnerrp: | this was just mythvideo opening to several thousand items, a most of which with images and metadata |
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| [02:03:48] | sphery: | here's hoping FF4 (aka ChromeFox) will solve the resource leakage problem |
| [02:04:02] | sphery: | (each tab is a separate process, a la Google Chrome) |
| [02:04:14] | sphery: | ChromeFox isn't a real code name for it, though |
| [02:04:18] | And4713: | well |
| [02:04:21] | And4713: | process or thread |
| [02:04:30] | wagnerrp: | i guess with that, you kill the process and ALL of its memory consumption is gone |
| [02:04:31] | sphery: | process |
| [02:04:47] | And4713: | although I guess for *nix people processes are preferred |
| [02:04:47] | wagnerrp: | And4713: the idea is that if something locks up, you lose the tab, rather than the program |
| [02:04:48] | sphery: | for the reason wagnerrp mentions |
| [02:04:55] | sphery: | yep |
| [02:04:58] | And4713: | wagnerrp, I know what the idea is |
| [02:05:06] | And4713: | but you can handle it either way |
| [02:05:40] | jya: | iamlindoro: back from the US yesterday... Does E-AC3 audio track plays fine for you with #6975? |
| [02:06:11] | iamlindoro: | jya, I'm sorry, I don't know, I haven't tested the patch |
| [02:06:42] | And4713: | if you want an example just look at how apache handles it |
| [02:06:45] | jya: | ok... going to rework on it.. found some issues with 5.1 AAC when downmixed to stereo |
| [02:06:57] | wagnerrp: | And4713: as separate processes? |
| [02:07:07] | And4713: | no thats jus one option |
| [02:07:20] | And4713: | because in *nixes MPM works better |
| [02:07:26] | And4713: | and in windowses threads work better |
| [02:08:14] | And4713: | since this is ubuntu Im of course using processes, and also php isnt thread safe on here |
| [02:10:17] | wagnerrp: | whoops... building a new system image, and forgot to have a kernel config before building lirc |
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| [02:21:57] | burned: | can I setup mythtv as a dvr? |
| [02:22:48] | burned: | i'm an idiot |
| [02:22:48] | burned: | nm |
| [02:22:59] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [02:23:11] | Dagmar: | Was that a failed attempt at trolling? |
| [02:23:11] | wagnerrp: | rather quick to answer your own question |
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| [02:24:39] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: you recording Defying Gravity? |
| [02:24:49] | burned: | no, just used an old version with freebsd |
| [02:25:05] | burned: | and didn't realize a lot has changed |
| [02:25:21] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has ALWAYS been a dvr |
| [02:25:41] | burned: | then there is something called mythtv in the fbsd ports |
| [02:25:41] | wagnerrp: | that was its original purpose for creation |
| [02:25:42] | Dagmar: | f**k. I HOPE SO |
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| [02:25:54] | Dagmar: | Yes. *whew* |
| [02:25:54] | burned: | that isn't mythtv |
| [02:25:56] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: no, nothing wrong with it specifically |
| [02:26:07] | Dagmar: | I'm not sure if I'm going to keep watching it, but I'd like to keep the option open |
| [02:26:11] | wagnerrp: | just wondering if you have a couple weird pixels in the bottom left corner |
| [02:26:29] | burned: | sorry to interrupt any convo, I'm just misguided |
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| [02:26:33] | wagnerrp: | ive seen it on older episodes too |
| [02:26:56] | wagnerrp: | wondering if it is something from the ABC feed, or a problem with my local station |
| [02:27:07] | Dagmar: | Lemme check the inprogress recording |
| [02:27:30] | wagnerrp: | a couple blacks, a green, a black, and a purple |
| [02:27:36] | wagnerrp: | same thing on last week's recording |
| [02:27:46] | Dagmar: | I didn't have that |
| [02:27:52] | Dagmar: | It might be your local broadcaster |
| [02:29:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you sure it's not a code/puzzle, like the Fringe images :) |
| [02:30:21] | wagnerrp: | sphery: fairly certain, you want a screenshot? |
| [02:30:29] | sphery: | I'll look on mine |
| [02:31:13] | sphery: | all through last week's episode? |
| [02:31:25] | wagnerrp: | i believe so |
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| [02:31:34] | sphery: | I'm not seeing it |
| [02:31:38] | wagnerrp: | its only a couple pixels, out of a million, so i lost track of it |
| [02:31:45] | darkdrgn2k: | Hey guys, was support for downloading covers removed in TRUNK latly? |
| [02:32:46] | wagnerrp: | now that i look at it, the whole bottom line is hosed |
| [02:33:00] | wagnerrp: | the image is shifted right by about 10 pixels |
| [02:33:10] | wagnerrp: | and the weird stuff in the right corner is 'no data' |
| [02:33:30] | Dagmar: | That's gotta be some kind of artifact |
| [02:33:31] | wagnerrp: | i guess either the local broadcaster (or my cableco) has a bad encoder |
| [02:33:36] | Dagmar: | I'm not seeing it here tho |
| [02:33:48] | Dagmar: | If it's there, it's small enough that the conversion to flash is making it disappear |
| [02:34:34] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/Defying_Gravity-Fear.png |
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| [02:35:02] | sphery: | I didn't see any signs of it at any spots throughout the show |
| [02:35:21] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k: you're reading commits, right? |
| [02:35:22] | iamlindoro: | all metadata download in trunk is still in effect and working fine |
| [02:35:33] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k: tmdb.pl is there, jamu is there |
| [02:35:38] | iamlindoro: | tvdb.py ;) |
| [02:35:43] | sphery: | imdb.pl is dead |
| [02:35:49] | sphery: | and use of it violates their ToS |
| [02:36:17] | sphery: | Wonder if xmltv is getting rid of tv_imdb (or replacing it with tv_thetvdb ) |
| [02:36:26] | Dagmar: | It *does* look a bit like the last scan line is bowbed up |
| [02:37:44] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Adding_IMDb_ratings |
| [02:37:52] | sphery: | needs to be deleted? |
| [02:38:18] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wagnerrp.com/defying_gravity-love_honor_obey.png |
| [02:38:51] | iamlindoro: | Oh Daisy, Daisy Adair |
| [02:39:08] | sphery: | wagnerrp needs to set up a keybinding for SCREENSHOT (or a jump point for "Screen Shot"--depending on renderer :) |
| [02:39:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, I'm not seeing that |
| [02:39:26] | darkdrgn2k: | sphery: hmmm oddly enough no.. .wouldnt be a bad things |
| [02:39:31] | ** darkdrgn2k goes to read commits ** | |
| [02:39:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: that would be... alt+prtscr and ctrl-v into mspaint |
| [02:40:16] | sphery: | ms paint? |
| [02:40:18] | sphery: | what??? |
| [02:40:35] | ** wagnerrp is a windows luser ** | |
| [02:40:45] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k: there haven't been any commits saying anything about removing metadata stuff because it's all still there |
| [02:41:04] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k: the commits reference was implying that anyone running trunk should know that imdb.pl is dead |
| [02:41:07] | darkdrgn2k: | sphery: yeh i noticed it.. but do you know if it has been moved? |
| [02:41:11] | sphery: | but that was long ago |
| [02:41:19] | sphery: | if what was moved? |
| [02:41:22] | darkdrgn2k: | sphery: because the menu no longer shows teh MEDA DATA option |
| [02:41:24] | sphery: | imdb.pl? it was deleted |
| [02:41:36] | sphery: | try both menus |
| [02:41:41] | sphery: | MENU and INFO |
| [02:41:45] | darkdrgn2k: | sphery: i know for quite some time it has not been ussing IMDB anymore... |
| [02:41:51] | sphery: | (that /was/ in commits....) |
| [02:42:02] | darkdrgn2k: | sphery: okie.. let me try |
| [02:42:17] | sphery: | and if you're running trunk, please read commits. :) |
| [02:43:08] | darkdrgn2k: | ....there it is... under info... |
| [02:43:28] | darkdrgn2k: | i normaly read before i update trunk.. but not this time.. |
| [02:44:24] | Dagmar: | Wow |
| [02:44:30] | Dagmar: | They got away with broadcasting "ballcock" |
| [02:44:37] | Dagmar: | Niiiice |
| [02:46:24] | wagnerrp: | who was that? |
| [02:46:42] | sphery: | And I just would like to know if you know what a ballcock is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a ballcock, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a ballcock. |
| [02:47:02] | sphery: | or, more precisely, that his toilet has a ballcock |
| [02:47:11] | wagnerrp: | the floater thing? |
| [02:47:30] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
| [02:47:42] | sphery: | that's a float. The ballcock is the fill valve |
| [02:47:43] | Dagmar: | The guy from Office Space is the one who says it |
| [02:49:13] | wagnerrp: | yeah... what was with the earth-bound style toilets on a spaceship |
| [02:49:29] | wagnerrp: | they cant lace the water with that nanomagnet crap |
| [02:49:32] | Dagmar: | They have fake gravity |
| [02:49:43] | wagnerrp: | the crew quarters are spinning? |
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| [02:50:03] | MarcT: | they have gravity in the crew quarters via crentrifical force |
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| [02:50:14] | wagnerrp: | i still think a normal toilet would be extremely wasteful for a spacecraft |
| [02:50:26] | wagnerrp: | unnecessarily stressful on the filtration systems |
| [02:50:33] | MarcT: | the water gets filtered for the morning coffee |
| [02:50:37] | Dagmar: | Yep |
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| [02:50:43] | Dagmar: | They're planning on being in there six years |
| [02:50:46] | Dagmar: | EVERYTHING is recycled |
| [02:50:56] | MarcT: | Mmmm soilent green |
| [02:51:05] | wagnerrp: | of course you can get away with broadcasting whatever you want.... http://www.wagnerrp.com/images/random/krispy-creme.jpg |
| [02:51:32] | sphery: | wait a minute... |
| [02:51:38] | sphery: | that is doctored, right? |
| [02:51:47] | wagnerrp: | not that i know of |
| [02:51:52] | Dagmar: | No it was real |
| [02:51:57] | sphery: | wow |
| [02:51:57] | Dagmar: | Someone effed up in the newsroom |
| [02:52:06] | wagnerrp: | the explination was some flunky in the control room just grabbed the first image they found off google |
| [02:52:11] | Dagmar: | If you did a Google Images search, that thing in the caption was one of the higher res images |
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| [02:52:15] | wagnerrp: | and didnt bother to look closely |
| [02:52:19] | Dagmar: | It was HILARIOUS |
| [02:52:23] | sphery: | heh |
| [02:52:31] | sphery: | nice... |
| [02:53:03] | kusznir: | Hi all: I just upgraded to OTA HD content (and myth versions and ...). Presently, I'm having an audio problem. Any of my on-disk content is fine (from my old SD analog CATV feed), but any of my new OTA HD content or a DVD playback is very, very, very quiet. |
| [02:53:31] | wagnerrp: | i want to know how theyre being shocked through their cothes |
| [02:53:36] | kusznir: | I've disabled AC3 passthrough, as I'm running a standard set of computer speakers for my audio source, but that doesn't appear to have changed anything. |
| [02:53:42] | sphery: | kusznir: welcome to the world of AC-3... |
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| [02:54:04] | sphery: | kusznir: they're quiet compared to analog recordings |
| [02:54:13] | sphery: | the volume button is the fix |
| [02:54:57] | kusznir: | But at 100%, I can kind of make out what's being said. My DVD playback at 100% is...umm...quiet but OK. |
| [02:55:18] | sphery: | going straight to speakers or through a receiver? |
| [02:55:44] | wagnerrp: | start cranking up the volume on the speakers/tv/receiver |
| [02:55:44] | kusznir: | Just a set of computer speakers (with built-in sub)...single green stereo mini jack. |
| [02:56:01] | sphery: | powered (/amplified)? |
| [02:56:05] | kusznir: | Yes, powered. |
| [02:56:11] | sphery: | if so, then it's almost definitely a distro misconfiguration |
| [02:56:20] | kusznir: | they're almost all the way up too...I generally don't run powered speakers above 90%. |
| [02:57:13] | sphery: | some have said that new distros (F10 or F11, specifically being one I've heard this about) have some audio thing where something that can't be changed through the "normal" (GNOME?/KDE?) mixer is causing sound to be too quiet |
| [02:57:18] | sphery: | you have to use alsamixer to fix it |
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| [02:58:52] | wagnerrp: | would a CME really do much to electronics? |
| [02:59:16] | wagnerrp: | i thought the only reason it screws up satellites is due to interaction what earth's magnetic field |
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| [03:12:12] | wagnerrp: | 'dude, theyve gone fractal'.... that has to be the absolute, most nerdy thing i have ever heard on tv |
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| [03:19:07] | wagnerrp: | they should have stamped on the side of the cargo bay... 'property of Marsellus Wallace' |
| [03:20:31] | ** iamlindoro notes it is multiple hours until the show comes on here ** | |
| [03:21:00] | ** wagnerrp notes that he is trying to be very vague ** | |
| [03:22:25] | wagnerrp: | just referring to the glow that comes out whenever anyone opens it |
| [03:22:33] | iamlindoro: | I know :) |
| [03:22:36] | wagnerrp: | but well probably go the entire series, and never actually know what is inside it |
| [03:22:55] | iamlindoro: | especially given the series is likely to be canceled quite shortly :) |
| [03:23:17] | wagnerrp: | oh? because its going to have competition with other shows starting back up? |
| [03:23:25] | iamlindoro: | because the ratings are positively awful |
| [03:24:16] | wagnerrp: | why watch that, when theres good reality tv on |
| [03:24:31] | wagnerrp: | id rather be listening to people who cant sing |
| [03:25:58] | iamlindoro: | Last episode had a .6 rating 18–49 :O |
| [03:26:06] | iamlindoro: | that's 1/5th the pushing daisies audience |
| [03:26:30] | wagnerrp: | wow, cable shows even do better than that |
| [03:26:36] | wagnerrp: | and i cant imagine that show is cheap either |
| [03:26:55] | iamlindoro: | big ensemble cast... |
| [03:26:57] | iamlindoro: | names.. |
| [03:27:04] | iamlindoro: | CGI... |
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| [03:28:19] | sphery: | not to mention filming in space--that can't be cheap |
| [03:28:24] | wagnerrp: | i guess the comment on the CME was in poor form |
| [03:28:57] | wagnerrp: | why do all these futuristic shows and movies have transparent displays? |
| [03:29:25] | wombo_: | Don't you have one? We all use then here :) |
| [03:29:35] | wagnerrp: | there are only two reasons to ever do that |
| [03:29:51] | sphery: | There's a new cell phone with one |
| [03:30:03] | wagnerrp: | 1. its an augmented reality display, red planet had a pretty badass one of those |
| [03:30:11] | wagnerrp: | 2. you want people working on it on both sides |
| [03:30:33] | wagnerrp: | beyond that, whatever is behind the display is just going to distract you from what is on the display |
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| [03:31:09] | sphery: | unless you're trying to read it while showing something to a friend... |
| [03:31:52] | wagnerrp: | i mean stuff like plotters on ships |
| [03:32:17] | wagnerrp: | and those were only transparent because there were no electronics, and there was a guy in the back drawing on the plots |
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| [03:33:12] | sphery: | http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/corporate/pre . . . opy-20090903 |
| [03:33:18] | sphery: | transparent display |
| [03:33:40] | sphery: | (image 3 was taken by someone who hasn't learned how to use the focus thingy on the big round part of the camera) |
| [03:34:42] | wagnerrp: | what do you do in the dark? |
| [03:34:55] | wagnerrp: | (when there is no longer anything to backlight it) |
| [03:35:02] | wagnerrp: | or is it OLED and provide its own light |
| [03:35:33] | sphery: | http://www.atwtg.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/ . . . -pure-25.jpg |
| [03:35:53] | sphery: | basically exactly what you said... hard to read with stuff behind it |
| [03:35:57] | sphery: | probably also in the dark |
| [03:36:10] | sphery: | it's a monochrome display |
| [03:36:12] | sphery: | mainly text |
| [03:36:22] | wagnerrp: | thats fancy, looks nice, but is in the end completely worthless |
| [03:36:28] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:36:45] | sphery: | but, hey, if the future has them, some company has to be first... |
| [03:37:31] | wagnerrp: | because we sure seem to progress in a manner that is more productive than before in all ways |
| [03:38:09] | sphery: | if it's new, it must be good |
| [03:38:38] | wagnerrp: | form over function right? |
| [03:38:53] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:39:14] | sphery: | cell phones that are good for making phone calls are /sooooo/ 20th century |
| [03:39:16] | wagnerrp: | i was commenting to a friend about last week's (two weeks ago?) wireless defibrillators |
| [03:39:34] | sphery: | scary concept |
| [03:39:44] | wagnerrp: | and how insanely massive of a static charge a couple hundred joules is |
| [03:40:04] | sphery: | wireless chargers are similarly scary |
| [03:41:34] | wombo_: | Apparently there in a phone in Japan that just got release that has a mini projector builtin |
| [03:41:34] | wombo_: | goes out to about 10" or so |
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| [03:51:29] | darkdrgn2k: | hmm |
| [03:51:33] | darkdrgn2k: | what tables is myth video again? |
| [03:52:09] | wagnerrp: | video* and videometadata* and filemarkup (possibly not for long) |
| [03:52:19] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh |
| [03:52:24] | darkdrgn2k: | but which one is the main one |
| [03:52:26] | wagnerrp: | videometadata is the primary |
| [03:52:35] | darkdrgn2k: | (im seeing duplicates wanna make sure they are not in the db) |
| [03:52:36] | darkdrgn2k: | thanx |
| [03:52:40] | wagnerrp: | videocast, videogenre, videocountry are for storing other stuff |
| [03:52:52] | wagnerrp: | videometadata* is for matching videos in videometadata to the video* tables |
| [03:53:03] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k: read commits/update |
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| [03:53:14] | darkdrgn2k: | "trailer" ???? |
| [03:53:19] | darkdrgn2k: | whast teh field for |
| [03:53:27] | wagnerrp: | if you see duplicates, they ARE in the database |
| [03:53:32] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k: probably trailers |
| [03:53:41] | sphery: | and you need to read commits and update |
| [03:53:47] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: yep but i never seen the otpion for that anywaere LOL |
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| [03:53:48] | darkdrgn2k: | sorry |
| [03:53:50] | wagnerrp: | !trout darkdrgn2k obvious |
| [03:53:50] | ** MythLogBot slaps darkdrgn2k with a obvious trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** | |
| [03:54:14] | wagnerrp: | check the mythvideo update guide on the wiki |
| [03:54:19] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: i just never seen the mention of trailers anywehere in mythvideo .. thats all :) |
| [03:54:37] | wagnerrp: | it condenses everything you should need to know to catch you up with the commits |
| [03:54:51] | darkdrgn2k: | 10–4 |
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| [03:55:11] | wagnerrp: | link to it is at the top of the mythvideo page |
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| [03:58:42] | darkdrgn2k: | yep definatly doubled |
| [03:58:48] | darkdrgn2k: | any idea why i would have double entries in my table |
| [03:58:50] | darkdrgn2k: | one caps one not |
| [03:58:54] | darkdrgn2k: | (myth tv itself only shows 1) |
| [03:58:58] | wagnerrp: | should be on that page |
| [03:59:09] | Egghead: | tring to setup diskless server in karmic, but when i run ltsp-build-client i get the following error W: Failure trying to run: chroot /opt/ltsp/amd64 /sbin/ldconfig, anyone else gtting this error? any suggestions? |
| [03:59:19] | darkdrgn2k: | k |
| [03:59:22] | darkdrgn2k: | let me finish reading ig |
| [03:59:38] | wagnerrp: | Egghead: go to the ubuntu channel |
| [03:59:49] | wagnerrp: | what you ask has nothing to do with mythtv |
| [04:00:08] | Egghead: | wagnerrp, oops, ok |
| [04:00:30] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k: namely, the stuff about videos in storage groups |
| [04:00:40] | sphery: | Heh, I watched >5min in the middle of a high-def show in 4:3 SDTV with pillarboxes without even realizing it... Only reason I noticed it was wrong was because when they flipped the switch to go back to HDTV, they cut out about 3 seconds of video/audio |
| [04:01:03] | wagnerrp: | also, there is some issue where when you scan, the contents of the scan are not updated until you exit mythvideo, and wait five seconds |
| [04:01:35] | wagnerrp: | if you do not do that, and rather scan a second time before refreshing, it WILL make duplicate entries |
| [04:01:44] | wagnerrp: | that will be fixed before 0.22 |
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| [04:07:42] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Heh, I actually removed the bit about the same-path-dupe-scan because I fixed it two days ago |
| [04:07:49] | iamlindoro: | but the other scan bug still exists |
| [04:08:14] | wagnerrp: | !trout wagnerrp commits |
| [04:08:14] | ** MythLogBot slaps wagnerrp with a commits trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** | |
| [04:08:30] | iamlindoro: | not to worry, it seems to be going around ;) |
| [04:13:41] | darkdrgn2k: | k nite guys thanx for the 411 |
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| [04:13:50] | iamlindoro: | what a tool |
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| [04:14:05] | iamlindoro: | people like that are going to make me nuts after the release |
| [04:14:58] | wagnerrp: | youll just have to become an anti-hermit for a couple weeks after release, and not venture onto the internet |
| [04:15:39] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [04:20:00] | sphery: | nice, SDTV version of the show and A/V sync is off by about 1s, but not because of Myth (broadcast broken) |
| [04:20:52] | wagnerrp: | well at least you dont have some funky garbage in the bottom left corner |
| [04:20:57] | wagnerrp: | :) |
| [04:22:58] | sphery: | no, I have a 4:3 version of the HDTV show that's scaled to ~1/2 of the 4:3 size, with a Tornado Watch ticker at the top and a "Local 6 News" logo on the huge blue bar on the left... |
| [04:23:12] | sphery: | I'll take your 5 pixels anyday :) |
| [04:23:14] | wagnerrp: | you sound bitter |
| [04:23:29] | sphery: | well, it's only the series finale, so not a big deal |
| [04:23:52] | wagnerrp: | oh? so it might get canned with no real resolution to anything? |
| [04:23:58] | wagnerrp: | fantastic! |
| [04:24:27] | sphery: | It's Eleventh Hour. It's a cancelled show that I don't mind watching. It's interesting, but not so compelling that I'll miss it. |
| [04:24:52] | wagnerrp: | oh, thought you meant defying gravity |
| [04:24:53] | sphery: | Kind of like Fringe, but trying to be realistic, and lacking the interesting personalities/characters. |
| [04:25:12] | sphery: | No... Haven't started gravity, yet. |
| [04:25:29] | sphery: | gotta see whether it goes to a point that I"m willing to watch it or not |
| [04:25:36] | wagnerrp: | right, youve got two years of backlog to get through |
| [04:26:09] | wagnerrp: | looks like that was the finale for DG too |
| [04:26:21] | wagnerrp: | the rest of the episodes on IMDB are unnamed and without an air date |
| [04:27:48] | iamlindoro: | I still show in in my schedule, but that seldom means anything |
| [04:28:18] | wagnerrp: | ive got nothing listed for next sunday |
| [04:28:25] | sphery: | http://misc.thirdcontact.com/Eleventh_Hour_and_a_Tornado.png |
| [04:28:29] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, I guess I don't either |
| [04:28:33] | sphery: | gotta love clueless networks |
| [04:29:20] | sphery: | did iamlindoro send his recommendations to ABC? |
| [04:29:21] | wagnerrp: | s/clueless/cheap/ |
| [04:29:53] | sphery: | http://www.tv.com/defying-gravity/show/77486/ . . . _nav;episode shows 3 more eps |
| [04:29:56] | sphery: | no air dates |
| [04:30:15] | wagnerrp: | seems next we, we get... King Kong |
| [04:30:56] | wagnerrp: | King Kong, football, and actor fluffing |
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| [05:20:56] | [R]: | is my video card going to explode? |
| [05:20:58] | [R]: | its 112 degrees |
| [05:21:31] | iamlindoro: | depends on which scale it's 112 in |
| [05:22:23] | [R]: | celcius |
| [05:22:43] | iamlindoro: | then open the case and spoon the GPU goo out, yes |
| [05:23:35] | [R]: | lol |
| [05:25:20] | clever: | put a pot of water on and get cooking! |
| [05:26:55] | [R]: | haha |
| [05:28:45] | [R]: | i hate watching american pie on TV |
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| [05:29:19] | [R]: | is there some way to make myth jump to the next available channel if you type a channel # that doesnt exist when browisng in the guide? i've gotten really used to doing that on my cable box |
| [05:35:22] | Wicked: | well on my gtx260 the slowdown threshold is 120 C |
| [05:35:43] | Wicked: | though ive never seen it above 60 or 70 C |
| [05:35:55] | [R]: | yeah, it says 122 in the panel |
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| [05:55:28] | shoggoth: | I have some questions about playing 25fps PAL avi's (mpeg-4 or otherwise). I'm on my ubuntu 9.10 PC right now and it doesn't play them very well, but specifically I am trying to stream them to my PS3. Really what I want to know is, does anyone know of a way to watch a 25fps PAL xvid mpeg-4 avi on an LCD TV at 60hz (probably would do 50hz) and can you help me do this? |
| [05:56:55] | AndyCap: | shoggoth: the ps3 has an option to select 50hz output for that content automatically |
| [05:57:22] | shoggoth: | AndyCap: I have heard that, but I cannot find it under Video Settings. Could you walk me through it perhaps? |
| [05:57:28] | Gumby: | is there any reason to not go with a 64bit OS when using mythtv? |
| [05:58:04] | sulx: | Gumby: no |
| [05:58:30] | Gumby: | thx sulx |
| [05:58:57] | shoggoth: | AndyCap: Even if you could specifically identify the setting for me, that would help. I see nothing in Video Settings or Display that says 50hz. |
| [06:03:02] | shoggoth: | AndyCap: Is it possible that the files are simply poorly encoded? Would that result in a sort of shimmer/sheer that occurs when there is camera movement or a great deal of activity in the scene? |
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| [06:18:58] | AndyCap: | shoggoth: and what kind of PS3 do you have? |
| [06:19:02] | AndyCap: | http://uk.playstation.com/help-support/ps3/sy . . . ut-settings/ |
| [06:19:42] | AndyCap: | because if you don't have a ps3 from a 50Hz country, you're not getting that option. |
| [06:19:42] | shoggoth: | I'm using an NTSC PS3, 40gb. It appears that that option does not exist on a Region 1 PS3. |
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| [08:16:34] | Erik____: | Anyone have a frontend connecting to a backend over internet for wacthing livetv? is it possible to do so? |
| [08:17:10] | stuarta: | not unless you have a huge upstream internet connection |
| [08:17:44] | Erik____: | I have 10Mb, so it should work for non HD channels i think |
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| [08:17:57] | [R]: | 10 up? |
| [08:18:02] | Erik____: | yes |
| [08:18:06] | Erik____: | 100 down |
| [08:18:11] | [R]: | and the other side has what down? |
| [08:18:18] | Erik____: | 100 |
| [08:18:31] | stuarta: | then maybe. YMMV |
| [08:19:20] | Erik____: | would it be enough to open ports 3306 and 6543–6544? |
| [08:19:56] | Erik____: | would be really nice if it works :) |
| [08:20:17] | [R]: | the internet is no different than a lan |
| [08:20:23] | [R]: | as long as you have the badnwidth |
| [08:20:27] | [R]: | and no one is blocing the ports |
| [08:22:22] | stuarta: | try it and see |
| [08:22:52] | stuarta: | although i will point out there isn't any security built into the mythtv protocol |
| [08:23:10] | stuarta: | so only open the firewall to where you need it |
| [08:23:19] | Erik____: | will try it tonight when i get home |
| [08:23:32] | Erik____: | thanks for the info :) |
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| [08:25:25] | Gumby: | am I remembering correctly |
| [08:25:28] | Gumby: | errr |
| [08:25:32] | Gumby: | darn enter key |
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| [08:26:05] | Gumby: | is pvr-150 rtjpeg or mpeg4 ? (I thought it was mpeg2 but I dont see that option) |
| [08:28:32] | Dibblah: | mpeg2 |
| [08:31:25] | Dagmar: | I suspect you're looking at the wrong card type |
| [08:31:44] | Gumby: | d'oh... come to think of it probably yes |
| [08:31:54] | Gumby: | :facepalm: |
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| [08:33:00] | Gumby: | thx Dagmar, pretty sure you are correct |
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| [09:50:33] | superdump: | morning |
| [09:50:53] | superdump: | iamlindoro: is mythmusic mythui'd? i'm guessing it probably isn't as it's a plugin |
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| [09:54:49] | juski: | superdump: no it's not |
| [09:54:51] | juski: | yet |
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| [09:55:07] | juski: | though I think the miniplayer is |
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| [09:59:49] | stuarta: | juski: morning! |
| [10:00:06] | superdump: | i was looking at the settings yesterday and in the visualisations editing screen there doesn't appear to be a way to move visualisations from the available list to the selected list |
| [10:00:15] | superdump: | or whatever it'scalled |
| [10:00:23] | superdump: | +" " |
| [10:00:25] | PhoenixMage: | Hi guys, would an 800Mhz Athlon with 256Mb of RAM be enough grunt for a backend mythtv box purely for storing video and storing digital TV? |
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| [10:01:32] | stuarta: | PhoenixMage: dvb? |
| [10:01:43] | PhoenixMage: | stuarta: yeah |
| [10:01:50] | stuarta: | then yes |
| [10:01:57] | PhoenixMage: | awesome |
| [10:02:17] | stuarta: | if you find some memory lying around that would help |
| [10:02:24] | stuarta: | but it should still work ok |
| [10:02:39] | juski: | morning stuarta |
| [10:02:47] | stuarta: | although commflagging and transcoding would take ages :) |
| [10:02:50] | juski: | thought I saw you on telly the other night btw |
| [10:03:02] | ** stuarta raises an eyebro ** | |
| [10:03:04] | stuarta: | +w |
| [10:03:22] | juski: | BBC3 show – can I get high legally.. someone who looked the spitting double of you was walking down a road near Camden Market |
| [10:03:30] | PhoenixMage: | I think I have another 256Mb around somewhere |
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| [10:03:49] | stuarta: | hmmmm, haven't been into Camden for about 3 years |
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| [10:04:35] | juski: | heh. at first glace I thought HEY & rewound it |
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| [10:05:25] | stuarta: | anyway. know of any decent free video editing software that runs on winblows? |
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| [10:06:59] | juski: | cuttermaran ? |
| [10:07:49] | juski: | videoredo too :)# |
| [10:08:23] | juski: | videoredo isn't too awful |
| [10:08:58] | juski: | ouch. now it's trialware. thought it used to be free |
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| [10:09:46] | juski: | there's always projectx .. |
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| [10:10:27] | stuarta: | it's for one of the outlaws |
| [10:10:31] | highzeth: | mpegschnitt is decent |
| [10:11:13] | stuarta: | it's not in German is it? |
| [10:11:25] | highzeth: | .de & .en lingo |
| [10:11:35] | stuarta: | :) |
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| [10:44:58] | MarcT: | WTF?? Where do people come up with this shit? I get junk mail that says stupid stuff in the subject like "Your Order" but when you open it it is an advert about viagra or something. Well I just got a new one, "Join Nazi SS" as the subject.. Same ad inside for the same stuff??? |
| [10:45:31] | stuarta: | ah the never ending battle of how to get around spam filters |
| [10:45:41] | MarcT: | its always the non standard stuf that gets by my folters. |
| [10:46:43] | sid3windr: | exactly |
| [10:46:49] | sid3windr: | so why are you asking this :p |
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| [10:47:41] | MarcT: | no I just think they are being stupid now.. sending out an email with the subject of joining the nazis.. |
| [10:48:12] | stuarta: | on the bright side, that's another way of getting them arrested |
| [10:48:18] | MarcT: | I understand they are trying to get past spam filters.. but nazis??? |
| [10:49:48] | mzb: | arrested for what? |
| [10:50:13] | mzb: | copyright infringement? |
| [10:50:17] | MarcT: | and they are violating US law by not posting a way to unsubscribe or their mailing address |
| [10:50:38] | stuarta: | aren't there law in germany wrt the nazis? |
| [10:50:41] | stuarta: | laws |
| [10:50:50] | mzb: | get better spam filters |
| [10:53:42] | janneg: | stuarta: only if the spammers are in germany and that subject with a viagra advert might be not enough to get a conviction |
| [10:56:22] | stuarta: | ah well, far too hopeful on my part |
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| [11:09:47] | frbaresi: | EnHy |
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| [11:13:14] | linagee: | has anyone been following defying gravity? |
| [11:14:23] | frbaresi: | I'm an Mythtv user and I'm having a problem with mythVideo. I've searched all documentation and mailing list, but I haven't found a solution for this problem |
| [11:14:57] | frbaresi: | My problem is the font encoding |
| [11:17:21] | frbaresi: | |
| [11:17:27] | frbaresi: | any idea? |
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| [11:20:55] | juski: | frbaresi: both look the same here :P |
| [11:21:18] | gardengnome: | juski: get utf-8 :) |
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| [11:22:20] | juski: | why? I'm English :D |
| [11:23:21] | frbaresi: | <gardengnome> How can I get utf-8? |
| [11:23:39] | _ben: | so, anyone splashed out on one of those htpc cases? |
| [11:23:39] | juski: | must be my putty settings here |
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| [11:23:53] | gardengnome: | frbaresi: i was joking. it is a charset issue, but it's not as simple as "getting utf-8" |
| [11:23:59] | gardengnome: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [11:24:01] | juski: | _ben: I got a silverstone LC02. It's crap |
| [11:24:19] | _ben: | i'm looking at that zalman hd160 plus – bit pricy tho |
| [11:24:28] | juski: | too right it is |
| [11:24:40] | juski: | altogether better is to just hide the machine :) |
| [11:25:30] | _ben: | good plan |
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| [11:30:09] | frbaresi: | <gardengnome> i'm using release 0–21 |
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| [11:54:07] | gardengnome: | frbaresi: not using -fixes? |
| [11:55:04] | frbaresi: | no |
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| [11:55:20] | gardengnome: | then try upgrading to -fiyes |
| [11:55:24] | gardengnome: | err, fixes |
| [11:55:31] | frbaresi: | ok |
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| [11:57:45] | frbaresi: | do you know where to download the fixes? |
| [11:58:09] | juski: | did you download the source tarball from mythtv.org & build it yourself or something? |
| [11:58:14] | gardengnome: | how did you... what he said |
| [11:59:06] | juski: | whenever somebody asks you what version of mythtv you're running, tell them the number mythfrontend --version reports :) |
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| [12:04:57] | frbaresi: | ok |
| [12:05:06] | frbaresi: | but i'm using 0.21 |
| [12:05:25] | frbaresi: | i use've tried both options |
| [12:05:48] | gardengnome: | both options? what do you mean? |
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| [12:05:59] | juski: | mythfrontend --version |
| [12:06:07] | juski: | that will tell you *detailed* version information |
| [12:06:13] | frbaresi: | i 've downloaded the source tarball and build it |
| [12:06:19] | juski: | ah right |
| [12:06:26] | juski: | you definitely need -fixes then |
| [12:06:33] | frbaresi: | and i've also installed it using synaptic |
| [12:06:35] | juski: | install subversion |
| [12:07:03] | juski: | or you could use mythbuntu's weekly builds of 0.21-fixes |
| [12:07:29] | frbaresi: | mythtv version: 18722 |
| [12:07:31] | jduggan: | i tried this viddypow stuff yesterday for the first time |
| [12:07:37] | jduggan: | (in mplayer only, i might add) |
| [12:07:46] | juski: | I hope in future the tarballs on the mythtv.org site will be more up to date |
| [12:08:04] | juski: | or at least somebody could put a disclaimer on there saying how old they are |
| [12:08:36] | juski: | frbaresi: are you running ubuntu? |
| [12:08:52] | frbaresi: | mythtvBranch: branches/release-0-21-fixes |
| [12:09:08] | frbaresi: | i'm running mythbuntu |
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| [12:09:41] | juski: | hmmm how old is rev 18722 ? can't be too long after the release of 0.21 itself I'll bet |
| [12:10:11] | gardengnome: | why exactly did you download and build mythtv yourself when you're running mythbuntu? |
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| [12:11:07] | frbaresi: | i built it on other machine |
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| [12:12:27] | juski: | eek. 18722 is like 18 months old now |
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| [12:13:43] | frbaresi: | how can i update it? |
| [12:13:58] | juski: | use the weekly build packages |
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| [12:14:15] | juski: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
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| [12:16:01] | frbaresi: | thkx |
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| [13:24:06] | Essobi: | Morning. |
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| [13:39:27] | _ben: | mm, would a P5N7A-VM be a good choice for a combined back/front end? |
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| [13:49:51] | juski: | 2 pci slots? nah |
| [13:50:25] | stuarta: | although with the hdhomerun's these days, 0 pci slots required |
| [13:50:30] | gbee: | yeah, with just 2x pci it limits the number of tuners, but if that doesn't bother you ... |
| [13:51:58] | gbee: | no firewire socket on the rear though, if you are in the US/Canada that may be worth having if you ever think you will be capturing from a firewire enabled STB |
| [13:52:25] | gbee: | otherwise nothing wrong with it |
| [13:53:13] | _ben: | only planning to use 1 pci slot anyhow – i've got a nova t-500 |
| [13:53:16] | gbee: | the choice of display connections is excess to requirements – Displayport TVs are rare and won't become any more common |
| [13:53:35] | stuarta: | have they given up on displayport? |
| [13:53:37] | gbee: | and if you've got HDMI you really don't need DVI |
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| [13:54:01] | _ben: | well yeah – but it's not like you can change that :p |
| [13:54:10] | gbee: | stuarta: it was never destined for use with TVs, it was supposed to replace DVI for monitors |
| [13:54:56] | RDV_Linux: | Defying Gravity officially cancelled: http://www.examiner.com/x-21670-Houston-Space . . . es-cancelled |
| [13:55:19] | gbee: | _ben: sure, just that if you can get that same board without the selection of connections you may save a _little_ cash |
| [13:56:16] | gbee: | and gain the firewire ... although I suspect Asus board offer either esata or firewire, not both (rear connectors I mean) |
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| [13:57:28] | gbee: | though firewire wasn't offered on my M3N78-VM, which was a shame – I'll never ever use it, but the case had a firewire port on the front which is now useless |
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| [14:00:59] | juski: | stuarta: HDHR is all well & good if you can afford it. The dvb-t version is ker-pow expensive |
| [14:01:12] | stuarta: | yeah |
| [14:01:41] | tmkt: | cancelled already? |
| [14:01:44] | tmkt: | 6 episodes in |
| [14:01:45] | tmkt: | ouch |
| [14:02:22] | juski: | yet dross like The Simpsons is allowed to continue :-\ |
| [14:03:04] | stuarta: | the mindless understand the simpsons |
| [14:03:28] | stuarta: | but not more advanced tv |
| [14:03:43] | Gav8in: | the simpsons is pretty clever and fun |
| [14:03:47] | Gav8in: | i think you're being unfair |
| [14:03:53] | stuarta: | oh i agree |
| [14:04:03] | stuarta: | my point is a moron finds it funny |
| [14:04:21] | Gav8in: | yeah, the simpsons are enjoyable on a lot of leels |
| [14:04:22] | Gav8in: | err, leve |
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| [14:04:24] | Gav8in: | err, levels |
| [14:04:28] | stuarta: | while the sci-fi stuff a lot of us like (that often gets cancelled) requires much more intellect |
| [14:04:31] | Gav8in: | me, i'm in it for the fart jokes |
| [14:04:33] | juski: | they were the reason I cancelled my pay tv package |
| [14:04:42] | Gav8in: | *pfffft* |
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| [14:04:59] | juski: | i.e. they were the only thing I watched on pay tv & I just wasn't finding the new episodes funny |
| [14:05:30] | juski: | too many guest 'stars' now & it's too self-aware |
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| [14:06:15] | tmkt: | really...going to have to start waiting until season 2 of series to start devoting time to them |
| [14:06:36] | frbaresi: | |
| [14:06:42] | juski: | and where did the scathing social satire of the early series go? |
| [14:06:42] | frbaresi: | still the same problem |
| [14:06:50] | juski: | frbaresi: so what version do you have now? |
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| [14:09:42] | tmkt: | all these series i watch |
| [14:09:44] | tmkt: | get canned |
| [14:09:47] | tmkt: | Eli Stone |
| [14:09:50] | tmkt: | was another |
| [14:09:56] | gbee: | juski: yeah, The Simpsons doesn't seem to have anything left to say or anywhere to go without entirely changing the nature of the show |
| [14:13:12] | mag0o: | ive looked through the tickets, but can't seem to find one relating to this. With svn 21753, after a recording is watched and marked as watched automatically, it *appears* that there is a bookmark placed at the end of the recording, so when I go to play that recording again, it starts right at the end and exits to the prompt to keep or delete the recording. I need to verify that the bookmark is cleared on playback setting is set, but should the bookmar |
| [14:14:04] | juski: | maybe if people want less shows to be cancelled in future, they could try contacting the tv guys to show their appreciation *before* the shows are canned |
| [14:14:32] | juski: | might help when they rejig their ratings modelling too |
| [14:16:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | mag0o: I noticed that too – but hadn't taken the time to search the tickets yet. |
| [14:17:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | mag0o: as a workaround, you can press the left-arrow (or your bound 'replay' button), then the 'jump back' button (up by default) to get back to the beginning. |
| [14:18:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | mag0o: but it would be a good idea to submit a ticket about it. |
| [14:18:53] | mag0o: | i've been using the info button and marking the recording as unwatched as a workaround |
| [14:18:53] | mag0o: | (i think it was info) |
| [14:19:00] | mag0o: | ok, i'll look through them once more and if i dont find one i'll submit it. was my description descriptive enough? |
| [14:19:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | mag0o: I think so. |
| [14:20:06] | mag0o: | k |
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| [14:21:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... when looking up movie times last-night for my Son, I was thinking it would be nice to be able to view a Plot summary – perhaps by doing a tmdb lookup if "I" was pressed – but then I thought, Humm.. I wonder how quickly movies get added to tmdb, and if it'd work well or not... |
| [14:22:32] | ** j-rod just got an 'item name approved' msg from the pci id db for 14e4:1612... ** | |
| [14:22:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: Ooh? which device is that for? |
| [14:23:01] | iamlindoro: | He won't tell you ;) |
| [14:23:05] | tmkt: | anyone watch True Blood? |
| [14:23:12] | iamlindoro: | 'course you could just go look up that pci id ... |
| [14:23:22] | ** J-e-f-f-A googles... ;-) ** | |
| [14:23:23] | tmkt: | never watched it..until my last visit to the US, and found out how crazy everyone is over that show |
| [14:23:49] | stuarta: | j-rod: it's exactly what i thought it would be :) |
| [14:23:53] | Gav8in: | dumb question: is it normal for mythfilldatabase to apparently finish running, but then stop |
| [14:24:06] | Gav8in: | apparently locked up? no CPU, no output |
| [14:24:08] | Gav8in: | (for hours) |
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| [14:40:22] | tschaefer: | hallo |
| [14:41:08] | FR^2: | huhu |
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| [14:45:09] | j-rod: | hahaha, silly people trying to use ndiswrapper w/the 1612... |
| [14:49:40] | ** lyricnz swears at myth mysteriously fails to record more shows AARGRGRGRHRGRGH! ** | |
| [14:50:00] | paperclip: | i have a couple of recordings that myth says it can't find the files for.. |
| [14:50:08] | paperclip: | really odd |
| [14:50:20] | Gav8in: | lyricnz, i have had trouble with multiplex recording |
| [14:50:41] | Gav8in: | the bug was like this: if I watched TV while my two tuners were in use, using virtual tuners to watch other parts of a multiplex, then fail |
| [14:50:55] | Gav8in: | when i left live TV, the recording using that tuner stopped |
| [14:51:05] | lyricnz: | Gav8in: it works perfectly about 80% of the time, and then randomly fails. Could be either tuner, no pattern that I can tell |
| [14:51:12] | Gav8in: | i avoided this problem by turning off multiplex recording; i have had no regressions since i did that |
| [14:51:22] | Gav8in: | ah, your problem sounds very different than mine, and more frustrating |
| [14:51:23] | Gav8in: | my sympathies |
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| [14:52:02] | mag0o: | paperclip: do the files exist? |
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| [14:52:25] | paperclip: | mag0o: not that i can tell.. |
| [14:52:34] | paperclip: | size 0 |
| [14:52:52] | mag0o: | so the file exists, but has no data? |
| [14:53:00] | paperclip: | i haven't had a chance to investigate much.. just noticed it this morning.. |
| [14:53:15] | paperclip: | let me ssh over and poke around.. |
| [14:55:36] | paperclip: | i have a few files of 0 size.. |
| [14:56:28] | Dibblah: | Geez. I get shouted at for "picking on Gentoo users"? |
| [14:57:07] | Dibblah: | They broke their own build by using wierd-ass compilation flags. |
| [14:57:40] | Gav8in: | me, i'm just happy that the current svn of myth builds |
| [14:57:47] | Gav8in: | for the last few days, no buildy |
| [14:57:52] | j-rod: | I thought weird-ass compilation flags were mandatory for gentoo users |
| [14:58:01] | Gav8in: | that's kind of what gentoo is about |
| [14:58:14] | Gav8in: | if you don't use weird, and distinct compilatin flags, you just have an awkward way to get binary packages |
| [14:58:45] | sid3windr: | there are still gentoo users? |
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| [15:00:09] | j-rod: | wait, janneg and Erik both use gentoo... I think we made them sad. |
| [15:00:34] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [15:00:36] | Gav8in: | :( |
| [15:00:56] | juski: | I think the point is, it's easy to mess things up with gentoo if you don't have a clue :) |
| [15:01:41] | juski: | it sorts out those who think they know what they want, and those with a clue |
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| [15:03:57] | ** j-rod notes that Fedora has its own weird-ass compilation flags too, which are typically imposed upon every package ** | |
| [15:04:26] | j-rod: | but they're at least mostly at the suggestion of the gcc developers |
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| [15:07:19] | j-rod: | %__global_cflags -O2 -g -pipe -Wall -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -fexceptions -fstack-protector --param=ssp-buffer-size=4 |
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| [15:13:51] | jams: | we should be able to list the database server to connect to via cmdline. |
| [15:13:54] | jamey: | anyone got myth working in Karmic using hdmi? I had it working pre karmic can't get it work now |
| [15:14:32] | jams: | dang thing just tried to update my production database, even though it's on a completely seperate machine and I don't have config.xml or mysql.txt pointing to it |
| [15:14:47] | jams: | it just decided that was the best option. |
| [15:15:08] | jamey: | anyone got myth working in Karmic using hdmi audio? I had it working pre karmic can't get it work now. |
| [15:15:24] | wagnerrp: | jamey: you said that two minutes ago |
| [15:15:26] | jams: | no need to repeat yourself |
| [15:15:44] | juski: | jamey: you mean you updated distro & didn't upgrade video drivers? Or possibly got upgraded to drivers where HDMI audio is borked |
| [15:15:51] | juski: | serves you right for needlessly upgrading |
| [15:15:56] | jamey: | yeah i know I didn't mean to say that again but was rediting my post |
| [15:15:57] | juski: | karmic, even :) |
| [15:16:09] | jamey: | no I did a fresh install of karmic |
| [15:16:24] | juski: | ah so the drivers won't even be installed yet |
| [15:16:26] | wagnerrp: | mythtv will use whatever (x11 with xv) output you give it |
| [15:16:45] | jamey: | I'm just talking audio |
| [15:16:50] | jamey: | I have video working |
| [15:16:54] | juski: | yeah |
| [15:17:08] | juski: | what did you have to do to get hdmi audio working on the last install? |
| [15:17:23] | juski: | cos you probably need to do something similar |
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| [15:17:53] | jamey: | hmm, well they changed alot with pulseaudio . |
| [15:18:05] | wagnerrp: | yes, you want to get rid of pulseaudio |
| [15:18:11] | juski: | first of all then, get RID of pulseaudio |
| [15:18:49] | jamey: | can you do that in Karmic before I just tried renaming the files, my old trick to stop pulse audio |
| [15:19:17] | wagnerrp: | mythtv trunk has the capacity to disable pulseaudio, and use alsa directly |
| [15:19:19] | jamey: | it almost looks like gnome requires it |
| [15:19:27] | wagnerrp: | but you would have to ask ubuntu people how to remove it all together |
| [15:19:36] | wagnerrp: | gnome in no way requires pulse |
| [15:20:17] | jamey: | well, so what do you suggest? |
| [15:20:43] | jamey: | remove it or keep it and let myth disable it |
| [15:20:54] | wagnerrp: | remove it if possible |
| [15:21:05] | wagnerrp: | or simply go into the init scripts and disable it from loading |
| [15:21:21] | jamey: | yeah i basically did that |
| [15:21:41] | jamey: | now u think it should just work hey? |
| [15:21:53] | wagnerrp: | then use 'aplay' to figure out what hardware address maps to your hdmi output |
| [15:22:04] | wagnerrp: | aplay -l, and aplay -L |
| [15:22:17] | wagnerrp: | and set mythtv to output to that |
| [15:22:30] | jamey: | doing it |
| [15:25:52] | jamey: | intrestingly i have 3 video cards and , yet in mythtv i can only chose ALSA:hdmi |
| [15:26:04] | jamey: | no choice of which one i want to send it to |
| [15:26:18] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has only a few canned entries in that dropdown |
| [15:26:28] | wagnerrp: | it does not autodetect what is actually available on your system |
| [15:26:40] | wagnerrp: | you can type your own entry in |
| [15:27:00] | jamey: | ahh i see |
| [15:27:17] | jamey: | what naming convetion? |
| [15:27:51] | jamey: | what aplay -l spits out? |
| [15:28:44] | wagnerrp: | i use 'ALSA:plughw:0,3' for 'card0: NVidia [HDA NVidia], device 3: NVIDIA HDMI' |
| [15:35:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro, j-rod ... finally got around to researching that pci id... cool... Is it documented well enough that we'll benefit from it sometime soon? ;-) |
| [15:35:18] | j-rod: | no comment |
| [15:35:22] | j-rod: | :) |
| [15:35:26] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs ;-) ** | |
| [15:35:43] | ** J-e-f-f-A and cheers. ;-) ** | |
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| [15:37:38] | juski: | ooo can work with flash video too. eat that nvidia |
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| [15:41:01] | Dibblah: | Hmmmm. "I have over 18000 tracks..." |
| [15:41:23] | iamlindoro: | He ripped 12 of them himself! ;) |
| [15:41:24] | Dibblah: | "I have stolen over 18000 tracks. Arrrr!" – There. Fixed that for him. |
| [15:42:18] | juski: | ffs, people are calling that 'optical drive baby rocker' thing a feat of programming skill. Yeah right |
| [15:42:34] | Gav8in: | hah |
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| [15:43:01] | Gav8in: | it's a clever use of the retractable cupholder though |
| [15:43:02] | Dibblah: | Oh, thought I recognised the name. It's the mythtouchmote guy. |
| [15:43:26] | Dibblah: | ie the "idea guy" |
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| [15:45:43] | Forgott3n`: | Alright, probably a very simple question but: whats a decent (cheap) tuner that will do just fine capturing standard cable tv |
| [15:46:02] | Forgott3n`: | looking for less than $70 |
| [15:46:11] | juski: | Forgott3n`: contradiction in terms. Decent & cheap |
| [15:46:20] | Forgott3n`: | mmm |
| [15:46:28] | juski: | and by 'standard' do you mean analogue or digital? |
| [15:46:54] | Forgott3n`: | analog cable |
| [15:46:57] | juski: | Hauppauge pvr150. ebay. go get it for analogue cable |
| [15:47:03] | juski: | less than $70 |
| [15:47:06] | Forgott3n`: | excellent |
| [15:47:23] | Forgott3n`: | the store down the street was selling all this crap for $150+ |
| [15:47:38] | Forgott3n`: | nothing relatively special either, some weren't even HD captures |
| [15:47:51] | wagnerrp: | bah, less than $30 |
| [15:48:10] | juski: | 18000 tracks would be a lot of CDs |
| [15:48:39] | Forgott3n`: | juski: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_pvr150.html |
| [15:48:43] | Forgott3n`: | thats the one? |
| [15:48:52] | wagnerrp: | thats the one |
| [15:49:03] | Forgott3n`: | thanks juski, wagnerrp |
| [15:49:11] | juski: | how would it be anything else? |
| [15:49:23] | wagnerrp: | well there is an avermedia pvr-150 or something |
| [15:49:37] | juski: | which is why I said Hauppauge |
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| [15:49:57] | wagnerrp: | well you know, hauppauge, avermedia.... they look so similar |
| [15:50:07] | juski: | to the unclued eye ;-) |
| [15:50:16] | juski: | same number of letters I guess |
| [15:50:33] | wagnerrp: | Forgott3n`: you may alternatively want a pvr-500 if you can pick one up for <$50 |
| [15:50:40] | juski: | the board is a green thing with some silver things & black things |
| [15:50:55] | Forgott3n`: | wagnerrp: what are the benefits of a 500 vs a 150? |
| [15:51:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | Forgott3n`: dual tuner. |
| [15:51:09] | tmkt: | any way to speed up the responsiveness of IR? when i use the remote...it is laggy..when i use mymote on the iphone it is much quicker |
| [15:51:13] | juski: | the 500 version is essentially two pvr150s on one card |
| [15:51:14] | Forgott3n`: | so record + watch simultaniously? |
| [15:51:25] | wagnerrp: | no, record + record simultaneously |
| [15:51:33] | juski: | Forgott3n`: record 2 things at the same time :) |
| [15:51:35] | wagnerrp: | everything mythtv does is a recording |
| [15:51:57] | Forgott3n`: | ah |
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| [15:52:05] | wagnerrp: | even when youre watching livetv, thats just a recording with some glue to control the tuner |
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| [15:52:17] | Forgott3n`: | so I can't just watch live tv via backend + frontend. In order to "watch" it has to be an on-the-fly recording? |
| [15:52:22] | juski: | tmkt: yeah tweak your lirc config. check the repeat = and delay = values in your lircrc |
| [15:52:36] | juski: | live tv == on the fly recording |
| [15:52:43] | juski: | live tv == TIME VAMPIRE |
| [15:52:58] | wagnerrp: | however it still records directly to your hard drive in the same manner as a recording |
| [15:53:01] | juski: | so last century :) |
| [15:53:16] | Forgott3n`: | and mythtv has that commercial detection thingy? |
| [15:53:20] | sid3windr: | lol |
| [15:53:21] | sid3windr: | time vampire =) |
| [15:53:23] | tmkt: | all are set to 0 |
| [15:53:38] | wagnerrp: | by default comm detection is not set to run on livetv recordings |
| [15:53:48] | wagnerrp: | but any normal recordings are processed |
| [15:53:52] | Forgott3n`: | ah |
| [15:53:53] | Forgott3n`: | perfect |
| [15:54:00] | Forgott3n`: | exactly how I'd like it |
| [15:54:15] | jduggan: | i dont even use it, its useless in the UK |
| [15:54:20] | juski: | just sit down in front of the EPG for a while every week & schedule stuff you're likely to want to see. and record it |
| [15:54:25] | juski: | livetv is for suckers :) |
| [15:54:31] | wagnerrp: | just what is mythvideoplayer? |
| [15:54:33] | jduggan: | 3min50s skip forward button |
| [15:54:41] | jduggan: | is usually good enough |
| [15:54:42] | jduggan: | :P |
| [15:54:47] | juski: | jduggan: 4 mins here :) |
| [15:55:04] | sid3windr: | comm detection works great here in .be |
| [15:55:06] | Forgott3n`: | juski: once this is set up, I'll probably never watch stuff live again |
| [15:55:07] | sphery: | Or use MythWeb to go through the epg once every 2 weeks and you don't even have to do it through the (limited screen size of the) TV using the (much less flexible than a keyboard) remote |
| [15:55:17] | Forgott3n`: | get all the shows I always miss recorded |
| [15:55:23] | juski: | Forgott3n`: you're right :) |
| [15:55:24] | Forgott3n`: | stream 'em over the network |
| [15:55:44] | jduggan: | juski, yea, i had it at 4 actually, but occasionally id miss a couple seconds, so i just reduced it by 10 |
| [15:55:45] | Forgott3n`: | now, how good is MPEG-2 encoding? |
| [15:56:04] | Forgott3n`: | say, a 30minute show |
| [15:56:04] | juski: | Forgott3n`: depends on the bitrate |
| [15:56:04] | Forgott3n`: | that translates to around 300mb? |
| [15:56:04] | Forgott3n`: | oh right |
| [15:56:18] | juski: | you'll want about 6Mbits/sec if you like it watchable & there's a lot of movement |
| [15:56:18] | wagnerrp: | no... 1–1.5GB |
| [15:56:21] | iamlindoro: | Ooooh, the Dollhouse premiere showed up on my upcoming |
| [15:56:38] | juski: | HDD space has never been cheaper. AMEN |
| [15:56:46] | Forgott3n`: | yeah |
| [15:56:55] | Forgott3n`: | saw a 1TB internal for about $60 |
| [15:57:34] | jduggan: | id love it if commflagging worked in the uk, when i use virgin on demand, they skip adds on stuff from channel 4, its brilliant (havent checked itv) |
| [15:57:54] | Forgott3n`: | jduggan: its not very effective in the uk? |
| [15:58:03] | jduggan: | Forgott3n`: it as good as doesnt work |
| [15:58:08] | jduggan: | at all |
| [15:58:09] | jduggan: | ;p |
| [15:58:26] | Forgott3n`: | how does commdetect work anyhow? |
| [15:58:33] | jduggan: | voodoo |
| [15:58:44] | jduggan: | different tricks |
| [15:58:49] | wagnerrp: | there is a separate process that follows behind the recording, and check for various things |
| [15:58:53] | jduggan: | blank frames, aspect changes |
| [15:58:54] | jduggan: | etc etc |
| [15:58:57] | Forgott3n`: | mmm |
| [15:58:59] | wagnerrp: | station logos, scene changes |
| [15:59:05] | Forgott3n`: | an yet it doesn't flag uk recordings? |
| [15:59:18] | juski: | nope |
| [15:59:23] | jduggan: | Forgott3n`: ive had no success with it, and im not alone :) |
| [15:59:26] | wagnerrp: | apparently the uk has different behavior when they flip between tv and recordings |
| [15:59:32] | wagnerrp: | err... ads |
| [15:59:34] | juski: | because it hasn't been programmed with advert patterns yet |
| [15:59:40] | Forgott3n`: | mmmm |
| [15:59:57] | Forgott3n`: | sounds like jduggan needs to hop on the devel mailing list and get some of those patterns implemented |
| [16:00:01] | juski: | like we have hard cuts, logos stay onscreen, everything is 16:9 just about .. |
| [16:00:02] | Forgott3n`: | :) |
| [16:00:04] | wagnerrp: | and those uk users seem content with watching their ads |
| [16:00:10] | jduggan: | lol |
| [16:00:19] | juski: | Forgott3n`: the -dev mailing list is just a list. FA development discussion on there generally |
| [16:00:45] | jduggan: | i have no desire to start digging into myth code, im quite happy remaining a luser on this project |
| [16:01:12] | jduggan: | :P |
| [16:01:35] | juski: | start asking for help digging in mythtv code on the *development* mailing list & nobody answers :P |
| [16:01:46] | Forgott3n`: | well after my compeng program I might be competent enough to contribute |
| [16:01:48] | wagnerrp: | is mythtvcast the one people like to ridicule on here for having little to do with mythtv? |
| [16:01:58] | juski: | wagnerrp: for being mostly wrong |
| [16:02:11] | juski: | and they don't get to the punch anything like quickly enough |
| [16:02:33] | juski: | 10 mins catching up on personal business. Yawn |
| [16:02:39] | wagnerrp: | its a show, they have to draw out it to excessive lengths |
| [16:02:59] | Forgott3n`: | just a flash poll here, what distro does everyone use for their backend? |
| [16:03:11] | wagnerrp: | freebsd and gentoo |
| [16:03:13] | juski: | wagnerrp: what? they call it MYTHTVCAST ffs |
| [16:03:29] | juski: | so obviously there's a need to talk about their ducking gardens etc |
| [16:03:43] | iamlindoro: | and the Air conditioning |
| [16:03:44] | iamlindoro: | and the Car |
| [16:03:47] | juski: | s/du/fu |
| [16:03:54] | iamlindoro: | and what their old lady is making for dinner |
| [16:03:56] | wagnerrp: | makes you wonder how people who have been around for 5+ years each could get things so wrong |
| [16:04:30] | jduggan: | i used to use gentoo and compile from source and all that guff, then about 4months ago i went .19->.21 and took the easy route using mythbuntu for the backend |
| [16:04:53] | juski: | I use ubuntu but build mythtv myself |
| [16:05:19] | wagnerrp: | seems you guff too much |
| [16:05:29] | jduggan: | lol |
| [16:05:36] | Forgott3n`: | going to try my hand at CentOS |
| [16:05:43] | Forgott3n`: | or maybe Debian |
| [16:06:03] | Forgott3n`: | pretty limited hardware right now, want I nice low-resource os |
| [16:06:03] | wagnerrp: | centos is probably a mistake |
| [16:06:24] | j-rod: | works just fine there |
| [16:06:25] | juski: | whut? Is there such a thing as a bloated resource hungry linux? |
| [16:06:32] | iamlindoro: | Steer clear of CentOS |
| [16:06:39] | j-rod: | why? |
| [16:06:44] | iamlindoro: | if you want RH based stuff, use fedora |
| [16:06:46] | wagnerrp: | centos is fine... except it uses a very old kernel |
| [16:06:55] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: It's going to cause trouble w/ .22 |
| [16:07:07] | iamlindoro: | at least, until they have a new release |
| [16:07:08] | j-rod: | oh, right, python thing w/jamu... |
| [16:07:14] | j-rod: | are there other major issues? |
| [16:07:16] | juski: | I met a centos guy at a linux expo once. within 10 seconds I wanted to punch him |
| [16:07:17] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: and w/ ttvdb.py! |
| [16:07:35] | iamlindoro: | meaning the TV handling in MythVideo is likely to be broken for them |
| [16:07:39] | wagnerrp: | and you get to suffer some extra pain setting up that PVR card |
| [16:07:45] | juski: | top tip – "why does mythtv SUCK" is not a conversation starter |
| [16:07:48] | wagnerrp: | because youre stuck with 3yr old IVTV drivers |
| [16:08:08] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: Anyway, not a slight against RH, just an endorsement of a more recent iteration (ie Fedora/Mythdora) |
| [16:08:14] | j-rod: | heh |
| [16:08:21] | wagnerrp: | ivtv really got painless around 2.6.20, and centos still uses 2.6.18 |
| [16:08:27] | jduggan: | most linux people i meet i want to punch.. the people that are like linux linux linux linux |
| [16:08:35] | j-rod: | I'd expect atrpms to package up the necessary bits to make it functional |
| [16:08:44] | juski: | there's good reason why centos uses older stuff.. 'STERBILITAE' |
| [16:08:53] | cesman: | hmmmm |
| [16:08:58] | sphery: | juski: nice... unbelievable that a FOSS guy (who, presumably, knows the challenges of FOSS) would say that |
| [16:09:05] | juski: | as in.. it's been around a very long time so why change it STERBILITAE |
| [16:09:11] | j-rod: | and while it says 2.6.18, its really notsomuch. |
| [16:09:28] | cesman: | if one is looking for a "media center" solution, why use a distro geared toward the enterprise? |
| [16:09:30] | juski: | sphery: oh I've met a few of them |
| [16:09:31] | wagnerrp: | juski: good reason for some purposes, but not at the expense of new and better hardware drivers |
| [16:09:42] | j-rod: | its a monstrous beast based upon 2.6.18, but there are like 3000 patches on top of that now... |
| [16:10:18] | j-rod: | only at the expense of new and better hardware drivers for non-enterprise-class hardware |
| [16:10:26] | wagnerrp: | j-rod: chances are they arent concerned with the v4l-dvb or ivtv stuff |
| [16:10:35] | j-rod: | yeah, notsomuch |
| [16:10:35] | sphery: | cesman: the theory was, since the OS isn't updated as often, it would allow them to create a Myth system that doesn't require constantly chasing upgrades/breaking what was working |
| [16:11:05] | juski: | if you don't want your mythtv system to get broken much, don't frickin update it much ;-) |
| [16:11:14] | j-rod: | pretty sure there are no ivtv drivers built, and minimal if any dvb. there *are* some v4l drivers built. |
| [16:11:29] | sphery: | but that notifier pops up and tells me I /have/ to update! |
| [16:11:39] | wagnerrp: | probably v4l drivers for CCTV capture cards |
| [16:11:40] | sphery: | it would be irresponsible of me not to |
| [16:11:40] | gbee: | I don't really understand those who would use CentOS in a non-enterprise (i.e. home) |
| [16:11:40] | j-rod: | so you're getting out-of-tree v4l/dvb drivers most of the time |
| [16:11:48] | juski: | sphery: not when you rip its blinking GUTS out it don't :P |
| [16:11:52] | sphery: | because they fixed the "security" |
| [16:11:57] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:11:59] | Forgott3n`: | well |
| [16:12:02] | Forgott3n`: | Debian it is |
| [16:12:09] | sphery: | yeah, I have an embarrassingly-old setup right now. |
| [16:12:18] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I scheduled "FastForward" this morning. |
| [16:12:19] | juski: | don't build from the source tarballs from mythtv.org (!) |
| [16:12:20] | wagnerrp: | Forgott3n`: just choose whatever blend youre already familiar with |
| [16:12:31] | Forgott3n`: | which is Debian :) |
| [16:12:36] | gbee: | as though 100% uptime is somehow important when you probably reboot the box 5 times a year anyway |
| [16:12:37] | sphery: | I know what I need to upgrade. I know when failing to upgrade is an acceptable risk. |
| [16:12:37] | jamey: | Got a question, I have a multiseat setup I got everything pretty much working but, I am currious as to where mythfrontend keeps its hardware data, Because I note for example if i change mythtv lircd in one session it changes it in the other. How can i keep the hardware data seperate per session? |
| [16:12:39] | wagnerrp: | no sense learning both a new distro, and mythtv |
| [16:12:42] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: did it a few days ago-- hoping not to have my hopes dashed :) (AGAIN) |
| [16:12:51] | juski: | if you must build from source check out 0.21-fixes from the svn repository at svn.mythtv.org |
| [16:12:53] | sphery: | and my Myth boxes--well protected within my net--are an acceptable risk |
| [16:12:56] | j-rod: | wagnerrp: no, bttv, cx88, em28xx, saa7134, zoran and a few others, actually |
| [16:13:14] | j-rod: | including cx88-dvb, bttv-dvb and saa7134-dvb |
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| [16:13:19] | juski: | gbee: yeah mine is due a bump soon, for cleaning & fan replacement |
| [16:13:21] | RDV_Linux: | Expect dashed hopes as you are a SciFi fan. Normal people are not ready for the future. |
| [16:13:21] | wagnerrp: | jamey: it is very difficult to multiseat mythtv, more so with lirc |
| [16:13:30] | sphery: | Forgott3n`: if you know Debian, you're probably /much/ better off getting started with MythBuntu |
| [16:13:42] | wagnerrp: | if you want to do it with lirc, you really need devices using different drivers on each frontend |
| [16:13:48] | wagnerrp: | as well as a new user for each frontend |
| [16:13:55] | Forgott3n`: | sphery: tweaked the system to be more efficient? |
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| [16:14:27] | wagnerrp: | everything setting-wise in mythtv is stored either in the database or ~/.mythtv/ |
| [16:14:33] | jamey: | wagnerrp: yes i got it working |
| [16:14:36] | j-rod: | that said, despite being PAID to work on CentOS's upstream... I'd choose Fedora over CentOS myself. |
| [16:14:38] | sphery: | Debian-based MythTV = all the pain of allowing "non-Debian-Free" stuff to be installed on your system and replace libs within your system and all the pain of reconfiguring the distro for Myth with none of the Debian benefits (of "truly" free code) |
| [16:14:39] | wagnerrp: | that includes the lirc config files at ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [16:14:41] | jamey: | exactly as u said |
| [16:15:11] | wagnerrp: | you also should look into the identifier tag (forget what exactly is the env variable you need to set) |
| [16:15:22] | sphery: | Forgott3n`: MythBuntu is Ubuntu already configured for MythTV. It works great and is easy to set up, and since it has a Debian heritage, it should be familiar enough for you to be proficient with it. |
| [16:15:26] | wagnerrp: | so that each frontend is identified by something other than the hostname |
| [16:15:37] | wagnerrp: | and you can have independent settings on each |
| [16:15:43] | jamey: | $Display |
| [16:15:46] | Forgott3n`: | sphery: well it looks like I'll go with that |
| [16:15:51] | Forgott3n`: | thanks sphery, everyone else |
| [16:15:59] | wagnerrp: | no, $DISPLAY is what X display it uses |
| [16:16:08] | jamey: | yes |
| [16:16:10] | wagnerrp: | im talking about some internal mythtv identifier |
| [16:16:54] | sphery: | Forgott3n`: once you get more comfortable with Myth, you can consider wasting your own time doing what the MythBuntu devs do for your own personal system, but starting with MythBuntu will get you a good working MythTV system /much/ more quickly than trying to go it on your own before you even know how myth works/what it requires/what can't be used with it/... |
| [16:17:22] | Forgott3n`: | yeah |
| [16:17:32] | Forgott3n`: | right now I'm just looking for a basic PVR solution for cheap |
| [16:17:40] | juski: | heh. somebody trying to choose between mythtv & boxee. I told em boxee no record teevees & he said "strange, I thought it would be a given". Feel like replying with "no, it's just for people who can use hulu, or steal content" |
| [16:17:40] | j-rod: | haha |
| [16:17:43] | jamey: | they should really make myth to be run in separate sessions. It can't be that hard. |
| [16:17:48] | Forgott3n`: | looks like the total cost of this project is $130 |
| [16:17:54] | wagnerrp: | mythtv ~= cheap |
| [16:17:55] | juski: | Forgott3n`: and your time |
| [16:17:59] | sphery: | juski: perfect replay |
| [16:18:00] | juski: | time != cheap |
| [16:18:19] | sphery: | Forgott3n`: the total /starting/ cost may be $130 |
| [16:18:36] | juski: | versatility you don't get elsewhere == PRICELESS |
| [16:18:37] | Forgott3n`: | and how can it increase? |
| [16:18:39] | sphery: | If I had gone with a cable-company provided DVR, I'd have saved a fortune over using MythTV |
| [16:18:53] | wagnerrp: | decide you need more hardware, or more tuners |
| [16:19:02] | wagnerrp: | run out of capacity and buy more hard drives |
| [16:19:09] | juski: | new HDDs, new case, new TV, new stereo |
| [16:19:09] | Forgott3n`: | 1TB for $60 |
| [16:19:19] | Forgott3n`: | not too shabby |
| [16:19:20] | wagnerrp: | upgrade to something like an HDPVR |
| [16:19:35] | juski: | new HDDs.. new HDDs, new HDDs, moar tuners. another backend. another frontend. Wheee $20,000! |
| [16:19:36] | wagnerrp: | decide you want to run mythtv on another tv |
| [16:19:37] | sphery: | Forgott3n`: 1TB drive = $99, 2TB drive = $179, 2TB drive = $179, new dedicated backend = $250, additional capture card = $80, additional capture card = $80, ... |
| [16:19:39] | Forgott3n`: | yeah I see the potential to do that, but I don't really watch tv all that much |
| [16:19:41] | simcop2387: | wagnerrp: we've done all of that here, 1.5tb of storage now with four frontends and two backends (and one semibackend that does commercial detection) |
| [16:20:03] | wagnerrp: | and build out another frontend, plus the expense of running cat5 through the walls |
| [16:20:06] | Forgott3n`: | just catching shit when I'm not around, or getting a hold of a few fav tvshows |
| [16:20:12] | mag0o: | Forgott3n`: you may not watch it, but you will record *TONS* of stuff |
| [16:20:14] | sphery: | Forgott3n`: "don't really watch tv all that much" yet |
| [16:20:39] | wagnerrp: | thats what you say now |
| [16:20:40] | Forgott3n`: | I got a free refurbed pc at 3.0GHz Celeron D |
| [16:20:45] | wagnerrp: | until you start rooting around mythtv |
| [16:20:46] | jamey: | vagnerrp what does that enviroment variable pertain to, so i can look it up? |
| [16:20:57] | wagnerrp: | and find something... 'oooh, shiney' |
| [16:20:59] | sphery: | the right way to use a DVR is to record /every/ show you might /possibly/ ever want to watch. Then when you do have time to watch TV, rather than watching the garbage that's currently airing, you watch something interesting. |
| [16:20:59] | Forgott3n`: | so the dedi-backend is not costly |
| [16:21:00] | simcop2387: | heck i've even got dual monitors going here in my bedroom so i can watch myth and talk on irc at the same time! |
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| [16:21:12] | wagnerrp: | jamey: dont remember off hand, looking for it |
| [16:21:21] | Forgott3n`: | well I've just about missed every mythbuster episode this season |
| [16:21:27] | Forgott3n`: | so thats going to be my first order of business |
| [16:21:28] | jamey: | thanks bro. |
| [16:21:30] | simcop2387: | sphery: the hard part becomes though when you end up seeing everything you've recorded |
| [16:21:46] | mag0o: | i thought that was impossible |
| [16:21:58] | sphery: | Forgott3n`: Celeron D 3GHz with a bunch of HDD's @~$0.11/kWh = ~$12/mo = ~/$144/yr |
| [16:22:19] | Forgott3n`: | good thing I'm in residence |
| [16:22:23] | Forgott3n`: | for at least 4 years |
| [16:22:23] | sphery: | Forgott3n`: then there's the frontend and additional backends and the mythweb host and the mysql server and the file server and ... |
| [16:22:32] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:23:24] | sphery: | But, basically, IMHO, Myth (done right) is not a cheap DVR solution. It's a high-end DVR system that's often more expensive than other available solutions. |
| [16:23:50] | jdblack: | I use myth to save money. |
| [16:24:00] | mag0o: | i save money to use myth |
| [16:24:06] | sphery: | I started out with a cheap system, but it's cost me a ton since then |
| [16:24:18] | Forgott3n`: | well then |
| [16:24:19] | juski: | I use mythtv because there's nothing else out there that even comes close to it |
| [16:24:22] | jdblack: | up front it cost more, but now I live on broadcast for $20 a year, rather than $50 a month. |
| [16:24:25] | Forgott3n`: | lets see how far this goes |
| [16:24:45] | juski: | jdblack: you forgot how much electrickery costs. and replacement hardware |
| [16:24:51] | sphery: | jdblack: broadcast for $20/yr equates to cable for $10/mo |
| [16:25:12] | sphery: | jdblack: and /Myth/ had nothing to do with the savings on the cable... |
| [16:25:25] | jdblack: | juski: I think dvr's use electrickery too. |
| [16:25:25] | sphery: | your decision to drop cable and use OTA had everything to do with it |
| [16:25:41] | sphery: | (though Myth--and its inability to use encrypted data--may have been an impetus for that decision) |
| [16:25:44] | Dibblah: | Very much less than a Myth system, in general. |
| [16:25:46] | juski: | yeah but I'd bet my house on the fact PCs use more electrickery than a cable DVR |
| [16:25:49] | wagnerrp: | jamey: setup --> general --> database configuration (page 2) --> use custom identifier for frontend preferences |
| [16:25:55] | jdblack: | Pardon? My goal was to save money. I have. I'm happy. |
| [16:26:06] | sid3windr: | goodie. |
| [16:26:24] | wagnerrp: | electrickery? |
| [16:26:26] | sid3windr: | my goal is to have fun, I do – I'm happy. but I'm throwing money out of the windows =) |
| [16:26:27] | juski: | jdblack: you think you've saved money :) |
| [16:26:49] | juski: | but if you add up all the time it took to set up & cost it at $40 an hour.. oof |
| [16:27:24] | jdblack: | unfortunately, my time isn't worth $40/hr. Not anymore. :( |
| [16:27:32] | wagnerrp: | juski: and here you were the one advising to wire your own house instead of hiring an electrician to save money |
| [16:27:35] | Forgott3n`: | juski: if you do it on your day off, technically there is no loss |
| [16:27:49] | Forgott3n`: | because on that time you wouldn't be spending time generating income anyways |
| [16:27:49] | juski: | wagnerrp: depends how much you value your own time innit |
| [16:27:56] | Forgott3n`: | probably watching tv! |
| [16:27:58] | Forgott3n`: | ironic |
| [16:28:12] | juski: | I don't lose money if I had a day off :) |
| [16:28:32] | Forgott3n`: | I work 2 days of the week and it pays for my cost of living |
| [16:28:34] | Forgott3n`: | I have time :) |
| [16:28:53] | Forgott3n`: | doesn't take much to keep me happy |
| [16:28:55] | juski: | oh god. I did not just overhear we've got facial recognition working on our product |
| [16:29:15] | Forgott3n`: | juski: at work? |
| [16:29:27] | juski: | yup |
| [16:29:38] | Forgott3n`: | if I'm at work, IRC is up |
| [16:29:43] | Forgott3n`: | best time waster ever |
| [16:29:50] | jamey: | wagnerrp: got it thanks, does that enable saving different configurations under those names? |
| [16:29:52] | Forgott3n`: | and if you set it up right, it looks like you're being productive |
| [16:29:59] | sphery: | juski: like http://www.infowars.com/comcast-cameras-to-start-watching-you/ ? |
| [16:30:02] | juski: | compiling! |
| [16:30:10] | sphery: | juski: that didn't go over well here in the US |
| [16:30:18] | Forgott3n`: | "Code is compiling!" |
| [16:30:37] | wagnerrp: | jamey: for that, you either want to set the environment variable 'mythconfdir', or just use separate usernames for each frontend |
| [16:30:43] | juski: | sphery: oof |
| [16:31:10] | wagnerrp: | then set that value on each individual frontend so it uses a custom 'hostname' in the database, rather than the same one for all frontends |
| [16:31:15] | juski: | it's bad enough we do ANPR cameras, networked domes with ridiculous zoom & image stablisation.. but facial rec. tech? :-(( |
| [16:31:15] | sphery: | or is yours more the "facial recognition of faces in broadcast" (for getting additional info) |
| [16:31:36] | juski: | more the facial recognition of people police would like to speak to |
| [16:31:37] | wagnerrp: | however you still probably want to rethink running mythtv multi-head |
| [16:31:48] | sphery: | juski: ahhh... |
| [16:32:00] | wagnerrp: | there are going to be a LOT of headaches to work through |
| [16:32:07] | juski: | I don't mind all this, but they way our govt is allowing its misuse.. :( |
| [16:32:20] | sphery: | multi-headache MythTV |
| [16:32:20] | wagnerrp: | that could be solved by a $200 PC bolted to the back of your tv cabinet |
| [16:32:33] | juski: | they just keep quoting the same old "if you have nothing to hide" BS |
| [16:33:06] | wagnerrp: | if i have nothing to hide, then you have no business tracking me where ever i go |
| [16:33:09] | juski: | yeah like any CCTV, ID cards or databases have stopped terrorists blowing stuff up. Hmm |
| [16:33:34] | wagnerrp: | hey, ive seen it happen daily on 24 |
| [16:33:56] | sphery: | juski: tons of false hits on Groucho Marx? http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_app . . . es-front.jpg and, of course, http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2008/ . . . sGroucho.JPG |
| [16:34:27] | juski: | I've also seen an agent cut off somebody's thumb because it was the fastest way to get it to his in-car fingerprint scanner. You won't catch our bizzies doing that |
| [16:34:37] | jamey: | wagnerrp:Alright probably good advice but I am on mission, thanks for the help. |
| [16:34:51] | wagnerrp: | you people are just going to have to resort to wearing guy fawkes masks everwhere |
| [16:34:58] | juski: | sphery: I was thinking more the V for vendetta mask |
| [16:35:04] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:35:06] | Essobi: | juski: .... fucking OUCH. |
| [16:35:09] | juski: | wagnerrp: which will be made illegal |
| [16:35:22] | juski: | Essobi: Jack Bauer :D |
| [16:35:23] | ** iamlindoro reminds Essobi about the channel prohibition on swearing ** | |
| [16:35:37] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: *COUGH* sorry. |
| [16:35:44] | juski: | series one Episode..erm.. two I think |
| [16:35:56] | Essobi: | juski: Ah.. never was a 24 fan. lol |
| [16:36:11] | ** wagnerrp advises a subsequent ban on the use of 'fark', 'frick', and 'frack' as well ** | |
| [16:36:12] | juski: | I used to be. til it got really silly. it's still ok |
| [16:36:19] | iamlindoro: | When that nice Insurance Salesman was still President? |
| [16:36:22] | juski: | wagnerrp: but not duck. no ducking way |
| [16:36:26] | juski: | or shiv |
| [16:36:34] | wagnerrp: | i absolutely hate it in people use those |
| [16:36:35] | Forgott3n`: | or bull |
| [16:36:41] | wagnerrp: | either say it right, or dont bother |
| [16:36:51] | Forgott3n`: | well /duck/ you wagnerrp |
| [16:36:59] | Essobi: | lol |
| [16:37:07] | juski: | wagnerrp: rather that than those lilly-livered versions. Darn |
| [16:37:22] | Dibblah: | "Darn"? |
| [16:37:31] | Dibblah: | Didn't you mean damn? |
| [16:37:32] | juski: | it's the T9 dictionary version of the word, is 'duck' |
| [16:37:38] | Essobi: | Can I just say smurf, and you can fill in your own explitive. NO SMURFING WAY I SMURFED THAT SMURFING SMURF. |
| [16:38:04] | Essobi: | :) |
| [16:38:26] | iamlindoro: | Whoever said "Hey, we ought to use a bit of Flash now!" at Gmail should be executed |
| [16:38:38] | juski: | Essobi: 38250968 |
| [16:39:02] | Essobi: | iamlindoro: ... they went to flash? GRRR. |
| [16:39:07] | Dibblah: | http://www.b3ta.com/questions/mobiles/post495590 |
| [16:39:11] | Essobi: | juski: .... what's that? |
| [16:39:17] | iamlindoro: | limited flash, but it's still there |
| [16:39:24] | juski: | time to go |
| [16:39:25] | Dibblah: | (SFW, as long as your boss isn't in sniggering range) |
| [16:39:29] | Forgott3n`: | goddamn |
| [16:39:30] | iamlindoro: | chat client and the attachment uploader |
| [16:39:37] | Forgott3n`: | gmail's interface is beginning to get bloated |
| [16:39:42] | Forgott3n`: | what happened to simple email |
| [16:39:59] | juski: | Dibblah: ROFL |
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| [16:41:25] | juski: | if you can find the Mitchell & Webb look sketch where they act out a brainstorm where predictive text is invented, I recommend watching it :) |
| [16:41:36] | juski: | genius |
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| [16:47:04] | gbee: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqSfrB8P-a0 |
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| [16:48:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | juski: Is this the one you're referring to? If not, it's hilarious too... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hcoT6yxFoU&am . . . channel_page |
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| [16:50:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: Gee, the reverse of hulu... I can't view that as "This video is not available in your contry due to copyright restrictions." hehehe |
| [16:51:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | 'country' even... doh! ;-) |
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| [16:59:10] | MarcT: | LOL nice skit |
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| [17:01:31] | erik__: | Hi, I have set a hostname on my backend to a real dnsname. ex mythtv.something.org and added that to /etc/hosts for that internal ip. the frontend on the same machine as the backend can connect to the server. on my other frontend on the same network I cant connect. I have edited /etc/hosts there also |
| [17:01:56] | erik__: | If i change it back in mythtv-setup to the local ip it works again. |
| [17:02:25] | erik__: | should it not work using a hostname and adding it to /etc/hosts ? |
| [17:02:30] | sphery: | erik__: you have to specify the IP address for the master and backend IP address |
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| [17:03:08] | erik__: | can you not use a hostname you mean? |
| [17:03:43] | meshe_: | no, it expects and requires it to be an ip address |
| [17:03:45] | MarcT: | you can not use an ip |
| [17:03:56] | erik__: | aha ok :( |
| [17:04:14] | iamlindoro: | s/can not/can only/ |
| [17:04:33] | sphery: | That's why we labelled the settings, "IP Address" :) |
| [17:04:42] | MarcT: | LOL |
| [17:05:03] | Gav8in: | So can the myth backend bind to multiple IPs on the backend? |
| [17:05:24] | erik__: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . ion_Frontend |
| [17:05:27] | MarcT: | O.o |
| [17:05:32] | iamlindoro: | Gav8in: no |
| [17:05:34] | erik__: | says you can use a hostname there |
| [17:05:43] | Gav8in: | ok, that's an interesting limitation |
| [17:05:45] | sid3windr: | I'm pretty sure you can use a hostname |
| [17:05:48] | sid3windr: | as I'm using a hostname. |
| [17:06:46] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: are you using trunk? |
| [17:06:48] | sphery: | erik__: where does it say that? |
| [17:06:52] | sid3windr: | no |
| [17:06:53] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [17:07:16] | sphery: | erik__: for the /database/ "Hostname", you can use either hostname (if you have proper name resolution configured) or IP Address |
| [17:07:18] | MarcT: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . ration_1.2F2 |
| [17:07:34] | sphery: | yeah, that's not the ones we've labelled "IP Address" |
| [17:07:39] | sphery: | that's one we labelled "Hostname" |
| [17:07:43] | erik__: | sphery:: well for the frontend and database settings at least |
| [17:08:04] | sphery: | my bet says that sid3windr is using hostname for DB hostname, too |
| [17:08:12] | sid3windr: | yeah |
| [17:08:15] | sid3windr: | you got me doubting now ;) |
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| [17:08:21] | sid3windr: | any way I can quickly check remotely? :] |
| [17:09:02] | sphery: | erik__: you can use "random unique value" for "Custom Identifier for Frontend", so you could use a hostname there (if you don't specify one, we use hostname), but it's /not/ related to IP address resolution |
| [17:09:16] | sid3windr: | does the frontend connect to the database and retrieve the backend ip there, or is it stored locally too? |
| [17:09:23] | gizmobay: | Can someone tell me how to delete a single video source in mythtv-setup? |
| [17:09:35] | erik__: | too bad, now I have to put the backend on a public ip |
| [17:09:38] | iamlindoro: | highlight it, press d |
| [17:09:44] | gizmobay: | thanks |
| [17:09:46] | sid3windr: | erik__: how is that bad? :) |
| [17:09:49] | erik__: | sphery:: thanks for the help |
| [17:10:06] | sphery: | sid3windr: connects to the database and retrieves the backend IP unless you use UPnP autodiscovery, where it connects to the master backend and asks it for the database information so it can connect to the database |
| [17:10:09] | iamlindoro: | void Sphery::ThanksForTheHelp(int donation) |
| [17:10:15] | meshe_: | and why do you have to put it on a public ip? |
| [17:10:51] | erik__: | meshe_: I want a friend to be able to connect to my backend and watch tv |
| [17:11:10] | iamlindoro: | That would be a violation of terms of service |
| [17:11:10] | meshe_: | over the internet? |
| [17:11:12] | erik__: | yes |
| [17:11:14] | paperclip: | grrr.. adaptec just emailed me that the raid controller i bought only supports drives up to 1Tb.. why isn't that listed anywhere in the specs |
| [17:11:24] | gizmobay: | after I run mythfilldatabase will it remove the channels from the deleted video source? |
| [17:11:25] | meshe_: | wow, good luck |
| [17:11:32] | erik__: | iamlindoro: thats not what I want then :) |
| [17:11:43] | iamlindoro: | mhm |
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| [17:12:02] | meshe_: | myth sends the video uncompressed and most internet connections will not handle the throughput |
| [17:12:02] | sid3windr: | erik__: heh, you have a nice upstream then :) |
| [17:12:07] | sphery: | erik__: and that's a violation of the channel policy to discuss |
| [17:12:20] | sid3windr: | I wanted to do place shifting as well but the remote connection couldn't handle it |
| [17:12:27] | erik__: | sphery: sorry wont talk about it anymore |
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| [17:15:10] | Gav8in: | is anyone else having trouble building trunk? |
| [17:15:17] | Gav8in: | dbcheck.cpp: In function 'bool<unnamed>::DoVideoDatabaseSchemaUpgrade()': |
| [17:15:17] | Gav8in: | dbcheck.cpp:1001: error: 'GetRelativePathname' is not a member of 'StorageGroup' |
| [17:15:36] | Gav8in: | (in mythplugins) |
| [17:15:39] | sphery: | gizmobay: deleting the video source will delete all channels associated with the source... mfdb is unrelated |
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| [17:15:53] | sphery: | Gav8in: mythmusic or mythvideo? |
| [17:15:58] | sphery: | mythvideo |
| [17:16:01] | Gav8in: | video |
| [17:16:07] | sphery: | delete your old libs |
| [17:16:14] | Gav8in: | oh, i see |
| [17:16:23] | gizmobay: | thanks spherey, don't you have to run mfdb to get the channels out of the db? |
| [17:16:25] | meshe_: | will a make clean do that? |
| [17:16:34] | sphery: | gizmobay: no, just to put listings in... |
| [17:16:52] | ** sphery really wants to rename mythfilldatabase to mythinsertlistingsinformationindatabaseandnothingelse ** | |
| [17:16:54] | Gav8in: | nice, so building plugins uses the installed libraries/headers, not the ones from the source directory i'm working in. |
| [17:17:12] | sid3windr: | sphery: how about mythfooldatabase? |
| [17:17:17] | sphery: | Gav8in: qmake magic greatly appreciated |
| [17:17:26] | gizmobay: | okay, thanks. I just checked mythweb and the channels are gone |
| [17:17:29] | Gav8in: | yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| [17:17:38] | ** Gav8in sulks. ** | |
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| [17:18:17] | gizmobay: | I guess I can't change the missing channel icons in mythweb. I have to do this in mythtv-setup? |
| [17:20:44] | sphery: | wow... in "Re: [mythtv-users] Notification of conflicts", it's too bad they don't make any kind of simple command-line SMTP clients, causing people to have to invent their own using telnet... (mailx, mail, or even sendmail -t must not have been invented, yet...) |
| [17:21:16] | Gav8in: | wow, if only there were a command line rfc 2821/2822 client |
| [17:21:18] | Gav8in: | that'd be brilliant |
| [17:21:47] | sphery: | gizmobay: right. until we have a way for MythWeb to send the channel icons (or URI) to frontend and/or backend hosts, MythWeb can't have the capability |
| [17:21:52] | iamlindoro: | sphery: All those sleep 2's... It makes me think of TRON |
| [17:22:06] | iamlindoro: | I can practically see the characters being written w/ a dot matrix |
| [17:22:14] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:22:58] | Gav8in: | oh wow. temporal fixes! |
| [17:23:01] | Gav8in: | i love temporal fixes! |
| [17:23:14] | sphery: | we're quickly approaching the 30th anniversary of TRON... (2012--don't know if that happens before or after the end of the world, though) |
| [17:23:27] | sid3windr: | end of world is 2038, no? |
| [17:23:29] | sid3windr: | :> |
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| [17:23:37] | sphery: | no, end of *nix is 2038 |
| [17:23:40] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [17:23:44] | sid3windr: | same thing is it not! |
| [17:23:49] | sphery: | which is at least 26 years past the end of time (which is the end of the world) |
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| [17:24:00] | sphery: | so, we have a valid safety margin |
| [17:24:49] | sphery: | I think the end of time is Dec 2012, so we should get to enjoy about 5mos of the 30th anniversary of TRON |
| [17:24:58] | sigkill_: | lolol @ telnet in script |
| [17:25:50] | gizmobay: | where does it grab the icons from lynstat? |
| [17:26:00] | ** paperclip wonders if these "fakeraid" cards are any better than software raid ** | |
| [17:26:30] | meshe_: | no, they are worse |
| [17:26:42] | paperclip: | hmm.. |
| [17:26:52] | paperclip: | i guess i'm screwed.. |
| [17:27:03] | paperclip: | thought 1.5tb drives would be wonderful |
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| [17:27:20] | meshe_: | why not just use software raid? |
| [17:27:48] | paperclip: | well.. i thought my old raid card would work.. |
| [17:27:58] | paperclip: | then i got a "deal" on an open box.. |
| [17:28:12] | kormoc: | why raid at all for myth recordings? |
| [17:28:23] | paperclip: | that's not all i'm storing.. |
| [17:28:40] | paperclip: | but it is holding up the build of my backend.. |
| [17:28:53] | kormoc: | so use them as dumb controllers and software raid? |
| [17:29:06] | paperclip: | them? |
| [17:29:24] | kormoc: | whatever fakeraid controllers you have |
| [17:29:27] | paperclip: | they don't recognize the drives at all.. |
| [17:29:32] | paperclip: | i don't have any |
| [17:29:38] | paperclip: | was thinking about getting one.. |
| [17:29:55] | kormoc: | so what's the issue? |
| [17:29:58] | meshe_: | buy a $30 sata card |
| [17:30:02] | paperclip: | but i'll probably just get a SATA controller and go from there with software |
| [17:30:34] | paperclip: | kormoc: i have two perfectly good raid controllers that don't see large drives.. |
| [17:30:34] | sphery: | what kind of SATA controller won't recognize a >1TB HDD? |
| [17:30:45] | paperclip: | adaptec 2420sa |
| [17:30:47] | kormoc: | so upgrade the firmware? |
| [17:30:53] | paperclip: | it's the latest.. |
| [17:31:00] | sphery: | how could you even design one with that limitation/what would cause that limitation? |
| [17:31:03] | paperclip: | they emailed me this morning (finally) |
| [17:31:35] | meshe_: | (doesn't recognise large drives) != (perfectly good); #IMO |
| [17:31:37] | sphery: | unless it's throwing away data returned by the drive because some engineer said, "1TB should be enough for everyone"... |
| [17:31:52] | sid3windr: | ya |
| [17:31:58] | sid3windr: | it'd need an implicit check |
| [17:31:59] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [17:32:08] | paperclip: | meshe_: it should.. |
| [17:32:25] | ** iamlindoro joins #IMO and subscribes to the mailing list ** | |
| [17:32:51] | paperclip: | there is no mention of it on the adaptec site.. |
| [17:33:00] | sid3windr: | noone there iamlindoro :[ |
| [17:33:03] | kormoc: | sphery: it's a common issue with older controllers that didn't support LBA, as a raid controller, they actually needed to be able to intercept all write requests to the 'fake' drive and split them up for the real ones, etc |
| [17:33:05] | sid3windr: | shouldn't it be ##imo on freenode anyways! |
| [17:33:12] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh, we answered both sides of the cache question on the list :) |
| [17:33:12] | meshe_: | sata cards are dirt cheap and software raid is free |
| [17:33:26] | iamlindoro: | sphery: ;) |
| [17:33:36] | meshe_: | sometimes it's good to say goodbye to old hardware |
| [17:33:49] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Though TBH I'm sort of regretting giving an example now |
| [17:34:17] | paperclip: | meshe_: yeah.. guess it's RMA time.. |
| [17:34:25] | iamlindoro: | sphery: As an astute reader will be confused by the "attributes are in the filename" statements earlier and the "if you have it cached and I change attributes, you may not see it" example |
| [17:34:30] | iamlindoro: | sphery: but both are true |
| [17:34:40] | sphery: | kormoc: wow... I have some old/garbage SATA equipment here and it has no problems with my 1.5TB HDD's... Just figured that should mean that "quality" stuff would be guaranteed to work. I guess it's their trying to do extra stuff that breaks it. |
| [17:35:17] | sphery: | iamlindoro: just means you get to send yet another reply (when someone asks) |
| [17:35:22] | paperclip: | sphery: i suspect it helps with corporate sales.. and $199 incident support calls |
| [17:35:36] | sphery: | heh, that could be, too |
| [17:36:06] | sphery: | In my network, when the support costs more than new hardware, I always go with the latter approach to fixing problems |
| [17:36:21] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Heh |
| [17:36:26] | paperclip: | i paid right at $200 for the card.. |
| [17:36:42] | sphery: | (and sometimes even when it's less--I have a lot of HDD's that I threw recycled rather than RMA because they were too small to be useful and not worth the $8 S&H) |
| [17:36:59] | paperclip: | it's going back.. just wondering if the sata controllers will have that limitation |
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| [17:37:12] | iamlindoro: | gnome42: <gnome42 has been kicked off SVN: excess flood> |
| [17:37:13] | iamlindoro: | gnome42: ;) |
| [17:37:29] | sphery: | threw recycled = "took to the local electronics recycling facilty (which probably just throws them away)" |
| [17:37:38] | paperclip: | he's checked out of SVN |
| [17:38:08] | paperclip: | it'd be cool to build a house or something from 3.5" hds |
| [17:38:56] | sid3windr: | ask james may |
| [17:38:57] | kormoc: | cool? |
| [17:38:58] | sid3windr: | he built houses before :p |
| [17:39:04] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [17:39:10] | sigkill_: | lol |
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| [17:39:27] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: I build ALL my houses out of heavy metals, carcinogens, and lead! |
| [17:39:35] | iamlindoro: | Only way to keep superman out of my business |
| [17:39:48] | paperclip: | heh |
| [17:40:36] | AndyCap: | and kryptonite chandeliers? |
| [17:40:47] | clever: | would be simpler to just use kryptonite alone |
| [17:41:34] | AndyCap: | And now to fill my harddisk with livetv. :) |
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| [17:41:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro: and just how do you keep Hedorah out of your business that way? |
| [17:42:08] | wagnerrp: | have you ever tried to coldform kryptonite, its damn hard |
| [17:42:13] | wagnerrp: | you dont want to use much of it |
| [17:42:18] | Gav8in: | Yet another antenna is arriving today. |
| [17:42:22] | paperclip: | superman could still look into your house with the kryptonite |
| [17:42:54] | Gav8in: | well, that's why the lead lined walls |
| [17:43:14] | iamlindoro: | Look what I hath wrought, now |
| [17:43:45] | meshe_: | yeah, thanks iamlindoro :P |
| [17:44:48] | meshe_: | anyone know if a "backup my myth database to Amazon S3" script has been written yet? |
| [17:47:39] | meshe_: | guess not, I'll at it to my list |
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| [17:48:57] | ** iamlindoro wonders when meshe will do a wagnerrp on our perl bindings ;) ** | |
| [17:49:34] | meshe: | very soon, I just got around to getting my myth box up and running again this weekend |
| [17:50:00] | wagnerrp: | speaking of which, apparently ive let a broken #6885 sit un-updated for a week now |
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| [17:59:08] | heyheyhey: | hey all |
| [17:59:38] | heyheyhey: | can some one tell me if i messed up my system |
| [17:59:41] | heyheyhey: | http://pastebin.com/m327f13fb |
| [17:59:51] | Dagmar: | The answer is still no. |
| [18:00:01] | sphery: | Why do I suddenly feel like Boo-Boo bear... |
| [18:00:18] | wagnerrp: | looks like youve got a bad version of libGL |
| [18:00:19] | Dagmar: | This is not the "fix my PC" channel |
| [18:01:12] | heyheyhey: | i know dagmar |
| [18:02:19] | Josh_Borke: | heyheyhey: what distribution? |
| [18:03:03] | heyheyhey: | ubuntu |
| [18:03:23] | Josh_Borke: | heyheyhey: did you ask in #ubuntu ? |
| [18:03:45] | heyheyhey: | yeah last night |
| [18:04:14] | wagnerrp: | did you ask on ubuntu message boards and mailing lists? |
| [18:04:33] | heyheyhey: | no i will do that now |
| [18:05:41] | Dagmar: | Most people generally know whether or not their computer is messed up before trying to fix itr |
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| [18:07:26] | Dagmar: | I wondered what the fuck this was |
| [18:07:31] | Dagmar: | http://www.newschannel5.com/global/story.asp?s=11124147 |
| [18:07:54] | Dagmar: | "Around 2 a.m. Monday, Rivera drove a 1999 Isuzu Rodeo off the I-440 overpass. The car fell down onto Interstate 24. Police said the vehicle fell five stories, and Rivera died on the scene." |
| [18:07:54] | heyheyhey: | time for me to reformat lol |
| [18:07:59] | gardengnome: | oh for the love of god, i'm too weak to open this sandisk micro sdhc card packaging |
| [18:08:02] | Dagmar: | SUVs can not fuckin' fly |
| [18:08:05] | clever: | Dagmar: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/ . . . business.ars |
| [18:08:12] | Forgott3n`: | quick question: how do I know if I need a analogue or digital tuner? |
| [18:08:17] | Forgott3n`: | I have basic cable in Canada |
| [18:08:18] | wagnerrp: | 'speed was also a factor in the crash'.... NO! HE DROVE OFF THE BRIDGE |
| [18:08:38] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: The more disturbing thing is that I saw it happen |
| [18:08:40] | wagnerrp: | driving off a 50ft high bridge is going to be just as fatal a 5mph as 150mph |
| [18:09:29] | Dagmar: | Seeing something like that makes you have weird dreams |
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| [18:10:59] | wagnerrp: | thats hitting a brick wall at 40mph, while skidding on your tailgate |
| [18:11:27] | Dagmar: | I was goign by on a surface street. I thought I was seeing things. |
| [18:11:36] | ** wagnerrp hates how 'speed is a factor' in every accident ** | |
| [18:11:57] | jdblack: | not many people die at 3 miles per hour. :( |
| [18:12:08] | Dagmar: | jdblack: I dunno. |
| [18:12:12] | jdblack: | shame, really. The slow-crush injuries would be fun to watch |
| [18:12:19] | wagnerrp: | did he drive off the overpass? or did he somehow miss the overpass? |
| [18:12:25] | Dagmar: | First thing that popped into my mind was how much it would suck to die in a car crash due to an irresponsible SUV driver |
| [18:12:45] | Dagmar: | It curves |
| [18:12:50] | jdblack: | by the time he's left the overpass and reached the ground, he's going pretty fast again. :) |
| [18:13:13] | wagnerrp: | jdblack: 40mph vertically |
| [18:13:14] | Dagmar: | I was on the scooter last night, and SUV drivers are idiots so you have to watch for them |
| [18:13:51] | Dagmar: | You watch for them coming from behind you, you slow down when you're going through intersections because they like to run redlights... |
| [18:14:00] | Dagmar: | You DON'T generally expect them to fall out of the sky. |
| [18:14:10] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: i dont know what youre talking about.... SUV drivers are people you have to watch out for in the motorhome |
| [18:14:20] | wagnerrp: | somehow, they manage to not see a 40' bus |
| [18:14:26] | jdblack: | if a suv lands on your head when driving a scooter, it was your time to go. |
| [18:15:10] | Dagmar: | I definitely had a few drinks once I got home |
| [18:15:39] | jdblack: | I am so tired of this injection crap. Someone come kill me |
| [18:15:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, 2 tons at 40mph will crush the cabin of most vehicles |
| [18:15:48] | jdblack: | preferably with an SUV, so it happens quick |
| [18:15:57] | Dagmar: | What cabin? |
| [18:16:01] | wagnerrp: | riding a scooter just means you wont have the horror of a split second warning |
| [18:16:05] | Dagmar: | Although yeah, that would take out my beemerskate I'm sure |
| [18:16:38] | Dagmar: | Even if it didn't land on you, if it landed in your way it would still be annoying |
| [18:16:51] | jdblack: | while on a scooter? probably still fatal |
| [18:16:55] | Dagmar: | "No officer, he didn't pull out in front of me... he landed in the street in front of me" |
| [18:17:24] | jdblack: | well, if you rear-end him... That's what you get for not maintaining a safe distance. :P |
| [18:18:07] | tmkt: | speed is rarely a factor though it you got down to it |
| [18:18:19] | tmkt: | people going 30k/hr or 130k/hr |
| [18:18:22] | Dagmar: | That nice off road suspension he had probably had something to do with it |
| [18:18:28] | tmkt: | if they stop texting or reading a map while they were driving |
| [18:18:33] | tmkt: | probably wouldn't be hitting other cars |
| [18:19:03] | Dagmar: | Perhaps, if he had been less interested in using his car to appear manly, it wouldn't have been able to climb over the wall |
| [18:19:06] | wagnerrp: | tmkt: i take back my previous statement, speed is almost always a factor, 'speeding' is not |
| [18:19:30] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: it was lifted? |
| [18:19:46] | Dagmar: | It was an Isuzu Rodeo |
| [18:20:01] | wagnerrp: | you cant appear manly in an Isuzu |
| [18:20:04] | Dagmar: | I'm not saying anything about the last name of "Rivera" |
| [18:20:55] | wagnerrp: | theres some guy that lives near work that really bothers me |
| [18:20:58] | Dagmar: | This is what they look like when they're not flattened http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.ed . . . -396x249.jpg |
| [18:21:07] | wagnerrp: | bought an old crown vic, interceptor |
| [18:21:17] | wagnerrp: | has it lifted to be taller than most SUVs |
| [18:21:26] | Dagmar: | He'll flip it at some point. Problem solved. |
| [18:21:49] | Dagmar: | Either that or he'll drive it carefully all the time |
| [18:22:17] | wagnerrp: | looks like intel just started production on 32nm chips |
| [18:22:25] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [18:22:32] | Dagmar: | They had to do something to get the spotlight back from AMD |
| [18:22:42] | gardengnome: | AMD had the spotlight? why? |
| [18:22:45] | wagnerrp: | AMD had the spotlight? |
| [18:22:55] | Dagmar: | Probably in Intel's eyes |
| [18:23:02] | Dagmar: | They just started a new campaign for their chips |
| [18:23:11] | wagnerrp: | oh, so one of those 'kick em while theyre down' things |
| [18:23:14] | Dagmar: | They're going to have the "See", "Share", and "Create" ilne now |
| [18:23:17] | sphery: | low power chips ftw! |
| [18:23:26] | sphery: | The Vision stuff was stupid |
| [18:23:28] | Dagmar: | So... no more freaking out about what number chip it is and having no idea |
| [18:23:34] | sphery: | the low-power announcement much more interesting/useful. |
| [18:23:39] | wagnerrp: | is AMD still 65nm? or are they down to 45nm now? |
| [18:23:46] | Dagmar: | They've been down to 45mn for AGES |
| [18:24:04] | Dagmar: | Where you been? |
| [18:24:12] | wagnerrp: | apparently not paying attention |
| [18:24:22] | Dagmar: | Yeah the CPU I bought last year was 45nm |
| [18:25:02] | wagnerrp: | looks like some time in march |
| [18:25:40] | wagnerrp: | no, thats an article about low power, not 45nm... |
| [18:25:59] | Dagmar: | It doesnt' help searching that they had a bunch of 45w chips |
| [18:27:00] | wagnerrp: | looks like the whole Phenom 2 line is 45nm |
| [18:28:52] | Dagmar: | Yep |
| [18:29:12] | Dagmar: | For all the good it did me to get it |
| [18:30:20] | Dagmar: | For SOME reason (*snicker*) the machine still doesn't like running two copies of WoW at the same time |
| [18:31:19] | gardengnome: | why would you do that? :) |
| [18:31:37] | Dagmar: | To have my own, personal cleric |
| [18:32:43] | clever: | Dagmar: i also had a strange problem today, the main server refused to bootup after a power bump |
| [18:33:09] | clever: | wasnt even giving a video signal |
| [18:33:32] | clever: | turns out the cmos got cleared, causing it to use the wrong video board, and fail to boot |
| [18:35:30] | Dagmar: | I'm not going to ask what kind of board you have that doesn't disable the onboard video by default once you've put in an addon video card |
| [18:36:11] | clever: | the bios default after loosing the cmos, was to use the vga board |
| [18:36:18] | clever: | instead of the agp (no onboard vid) |
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| [18:59:00] | _ben: | just about to do a clean install, is xfs worth a try then? |
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| [19:07:31] | gardengnome: | works for me |
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| [19:09:01] | wagnerrp: | _ben: XFS tends to be very robust and fast, if you have the hardware to back it up |
| [19:09:22] | kormoc: | (as long as you don't have power losses) |
| [19:09:29] | wagnerrp: | of course it was designed by SGI for high end workstations |
| [19:09:48] | wagnerrp: | but like kormoc mentioned, if you have power failures, or other unexpected reboots, or hardware issues |
| [19:09:51] | wagnerrp: | expect to have problems |
| [19:10:05] | clever: | i havent noticed any problems with xfs and improper shutdowns |
| [19:10:18] | clever: | the only major problem i have had, is trying to pvmove while the xfs volume was mounted |
| [19:10:22] | wagnerrp: | weve had a couple at work |
| [19:10:29] | clever: | royaly screwed up 2–3 ext3 partitions |
| [19:10:34] | wagnerrp: | including one where we lost the whole /usr directory, and had to rebuild it |
| [19:13:32] | juski: | bah. backend fell over again without a trace at 3.30pm today |
| [19:13:40] | juski: | FA in the log as usual |
| [19:14:26] | juski: | if -v all isn't giving me any clues it might be time to give it a good hard kick |
| [19:14:43] | gardengnome: | run it in gdb |
| [19:14:44] | clever: | juski: are you using -d? |
| [19:15:02] | juski: | gardengnome: muh, not got enough ram, etc |
| [19:15:07] | juski: | oh wait, yes I have. Heh |
| [19:15:22] | juski: | CBA to GDB it. Besides, it's way old now |
| [19:15:35] | juski: | clever: whatever the ubunuts init script does |
| [19:16:22] | clever: | juski: ahh, i made my own script which will not use -d, allowing the parent process to log the return code |
| [19:16:42] | clever: | so i have logs telling me what exit code it crashed with, and automatic restart of the be |
| [19:16:59] | clever: | and its setup to coredump all the time |
| [19:17:29] | juski: | the frequency of it falling over didn't bother me much so I never built it with debugging enabled |
| [19:17:45] | juski: | but it's only just over a fortnight since the last time now |
| [19:18:00] | gardengnome: | juski: oh, yeah, built with debugging and let it coredump, that idea is even better |
| [19:18:30] | juski: | well, if I'm gonna recompile it I may aswell update it – and if I do that it might not fall over the same way |
| [19:18:37] | clever: | the recent configure script has a 'profile' build, which doesnt give it the bulk of all the debug data, but it does leave the symbols in |
| [19:18:53] | juski: | and *I* am no use at using gdb |
| [19:19:01] | juski: | so it's prolly of little worth anyway |
| [19:19:03] | gardengnome: | clever: and what debug data does it remove? |
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| [19:20:05] | clever: | gardengnome: i think it would still optomize the code its compiling(making debug harder) and related stuff |
| [19:20:09] | clever: | so it wont impact the performance |
| [19:20:34] | gardengnome: | clever: AFAIK, profile is a release build but without stripping the debug symbols |
| [19:21:02] | juski: | and are the changes I need to make to the init script documented somewhere? |
| [19:21:06] | clever: | yeah thats the basic idea |
| [19:21:30] | juski: | I need that sort of info on a plate. Hate messing with init scripts |
| [19:21:36] | clever: | juski: not shure what you would have to change, but if you know how, it may be simpler to just write your own daemon to wrap mythbackend with |
| [19:21:46] | juski: | no dice |
| [19:23:28] | ** iamlindoro waits for analog users to find out there won't be any analog channel scanning in .22 and get the torches and pitchforks together ** | |
| [19:23:40] | juski: | holy poo, that *is* old. MythTV Version : 19900 |
| [19:23:50] | wagnerrp: | was there analog channel scanning in 0.21? |
| [19:23:57] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [19:24:02] | juski: | was there every analogue channel scanning? :-O |
| [19:24:05] | juski: | *ever |
| [19:24:12] | gardengnome: | yes |
| [19:24:13] | juski: | lol |
| [19:24:16] | clever: | juski: i think i saw it when using the tuner in my frame grabber |
| [19:24:22] | clever: | but that thing sucked in so many ways |
| [19:24:36] | juski: | only ever used analogue to grab a cable tuner |
| [19:24:45] | erik__: | anybody actually using analogue anymore? :P |
| [19:24:52] | ** wagnerrp does ** | |
| [19:24:53] | ** iamlindoro wonders if gardengnome can be shortened to "la ga"rdengnome" ** | |
| [19:25:09] | iamlindoro: | All the nice people in countries that have no digital are |
| [19:25:13] | juski: | no analogue PC tuner I've ever seen was capable of producing watchable video by my standards |
| [19:25:30] | gardengnome: | iamlindoro: gardengnomes are pretty short already :( |
| [19:25:36] | wagnerrp: | shortened to something longer? |
| [19:25:43] | juski: | so what's the deal anyway? why's analogue scanning going dodo-ways? |
| [19:25:47] | clever: | juski: exactly the tuner in both the bttv and pvr150 is poor quality |
| [19:25:55] | hondo: | I press "enter" and it seems as if "enter" has been struck several times? Fresh install of Knoppmyth R5.5. |
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| [19:26:19] | ** juski points toward #knoppmyth ** | |
| [19:26:30] | iamlindoro: | presumably because there's no time to implement it |
| [19:26:43] | gardengnome: | didn't knoppmyth get renamed? |
| [19:26:44] | juski: | didn't think it'd even have to be touched |
| [19:26:50] | juski: | #linhes then |
| [19:26:59] | juski: | #knoppmyth prolly still works though |
| [19:27:17] | iamlindoro: | There still isn't even an "official" linhes release, is there? |
| [19:27:35] | hondo: | juski, I'm there too — thanks |
| [19:27:39] | iamlindoro: | Or is it like gmail? |
| [19:27:43] | iamlindoro: | always in beta? |
| [19:28:12] | _ben: | it's not beta anymore! |
| [19:28:14] | gardengnome: | gmail is no longer beta |
| [19:28:19] | sphery: | Analog channel scanning is the wrong way to get channels for users with good guide data. Therefore, only the people outside of North America will be affected by not having analog channel scanning. If any of them would actually do the work to fix it... (as it's much easier to fix problems when you can actually test your changes locally). |
| [19:28:25] | iamlindoro: | yeah yeah |
| [19:28:30] | sphery: | but regardless, the devs are busy... |
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| [19:28:59] | juski: | hondo: ah so you're cross-posting? BAD |
| [19:29:17] | hondo: | juski, that's a no-no? |
| [19:29:41] | gardengnome: | yes |
| [19:29:54] | juski: | bad etiquette, yeah |
| [19:31:23] | juski: | anyway, when you ask for help it's good form to provide some kind of information about the problem. Like if you mean 'enter' on the remote or on your keyboard, that kind of thing. |
| [19:31:59] | juski: | regulars are never keen to press users for more information. I mean we're here to help, not squeeze people who aren't willing to give information :P |
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| [19:33:45] | wagnerrp: | get out the thumb screws! |
| [19:34:30] | MarcT: | I got the plyers |
| [19:36:00] | hondo: | juski, but it seems the more info I give, the more I discover I'm doing wrong :) |
| [19:36:48] | wagnerrp: | markt: is that your gentoo overlay that got linked to on the mailing list? |
| [19:37:37] | juski: | hondo: that being the case, you're in a no-win situation. You don't have to give your blimmin life story, just a bit of context |
| [19:38:13] | MarcT: | yes |
| [19:38:46] | wagnerrp: | i assuming i can just change the revision in the name and re-digest to keep it up-to-date? |
| [19:40:33] | juski: | hondo: so, do you mean ENTER on your keyboard or your remote? |
| [19:40:43] | juski: | knowing which of those it is will help somebody help you |
| [19:40:54] | hondo: | juski, keyboard |
| [19:41:07] | MarcT: | revision in the name?? |
| [19:41:10] | juski: | do other keys repeat several times too? |
| [19:41:32] | MarcT: | I think you are talking about the fixes overlay |
| [19:41:41] | MarcT: | mine is the trunk overlay |
| [19:42:12] | juski: | maybe you chose the wrong keyboard layout or something when you installed it. I'm not well up on the knoppmyth installer so you'd best take it up with somebody in their support channel |
| [19:42:32] | juski: | or, try a different keyboard. Now there's a far-out idea |
| [19:42:59] | wagnerrp: | for instance, the main mythtv ebuilds in portage are 'mythtv-0.22_alpha<svn revision>.ebuild' |
| [19:43:13] | juski: | or try a live cd of a different distro & see if the keyboard works ok with that |
| [19:43:32] | wagnerrp: | i had just been changing the revision in the filename and updating, until a couple months ago when the ebuilds stopped working |
| [19:43:42] | wagnerrp: | ive just been building straight off subversion since |
| [19:43:49] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: My branch has the updated for the -trunk (as you know) |
| [19:43:51] | juski: | y'know, do a bit of legwork & try to eliminate some things. kinda what I'd call using your noggin ;) |
| [19:43:59] | hondo: | juski, I think I must have gone with the wrong keyboard |
| [19:44:12] | kormoc: | and I'll likely be publishing mine into the packages svn tree to make them official |
| [19:44:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont remember why im not using yours, i had some problem with it when i tried it |
| [19:44:42] | kormoc: | x86 wouldn't compile |
| [19:44:43] | juski: | I dunno what choosing the wrong keyboard layout can affect exactly, cos I don't think i've ever done it |
| [19:44:53] | wagnerrp: | ah, that was it |
| [19:44:59] | MarcT: | wagnerrp mine is just called -9999, I dont use any other version numbers |
| [19:45:01] | kormoc: | but you never figured out why |
| [19:45:08] | kormoc: | ouch, that's horrible |
| [19:45:20] | MarcT: | the svn revision is pulled from your make.conf |
| [19:45:27] | hondo: | juski, sad part, is that I had nicely running system until I tried to update to the latest version. |
| [19:45:33] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
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| [19:46:25] | hondo: | juski, leads me to believe that it is something in the set-up |
| [19:46:54] | juski: | aye something as basic as that... |
| [19:47:29] | MarcT: | wagnerrp I only just started sharing my ebuild a few months ago |
| [19:47:44] | MarcT: | sec |
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| [19:48:34] | MarcT: | initial commit was end of july/beginning of august |
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| [19:49:59] | hondo: | juski, thanks — think I'll just reinstall |
| [19:51:19] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: could you toss me the configure output that compiled for you (for x86)? |
| [19:51:40] | wagnerrp: | not until i get home (that machine is offline) |
| [19:51:53] | MarcT: | wagnerrp |
| [19:51:56] | wagnerrp: | well, not offline, just turned off |
| [19:52:09] | MarcT: | I thought your email said my overlay worked for you |
| [19:52:20] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: could you send me a link to it again, i still have a copy from july 27 |
| [19:52:23] | wagnerrp: | MarcT: not my email |
| [19:52:40] | MarcT: | oh |
| [19:52:41] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: http://www.kormoc.com/ebuilds/ |
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| [19:53:26] | wagnerrp: | oh, its a subversion rep, i can just 'update' it then |
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| [19:53:30] | kormoc: | yup |
| [19:53:58] | MarcT: | well, would be helpfull to have people report bugs |
| [19:54:04] | MarcT: | noone told me it did not work |
| [19:54:19] | kormoc: | it's a myth build issue, not a repo issue |
| [19:54:39] | kormoc: | just certain repo's are (incorrectly/more correctly) disabling/enabling features |
| [19:55:48] | hondo: | Where should I promote this MythTV InstallFest and Conference? |
| [19:55:52] | hondo: | http://wiki.freesideatlanta.org/mythtv-instal . . . d-conference |
| [19:56:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, just running configure figure everything out works fine |
| [19:56:13] | wagnerrp: | its when the ebuild starts setting options for everything that it breaks |
| [19:56:33] | kormoc: | yeah, if you can toss me the two configure logs, I'll get it fixed up |
| [19:56:34] | wagnerrp: | incorrectly sets --march or something |
| [19:56:47] | wagnerrp: | it breaks on ASM code |
| [19:56:59] | kormoc: | Are you using --march native perchance? |
| [19:57:08] | wagnerrp: | i think i had it set to 'athlonxp' in the make.conf |
| [19:57:18] | kormoc: | (Mine shouldn't be setting --march actually, as I do --proc-opts) |
| [19:57:37] | wagnerrp: | right, and --enable-proc-opts runs, and gets it wrong |
| [19:57:43] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt make sense |
| [19:57:59] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [19:58:21] | wagnerrp: | actually... i can do it now (on my laptop (...after an hour or two)) |
| [19:58:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | [ot rant] Yikes – I just got an email and phone call from a client asking me what the IP address and Port was for *their* system so they could establish VPN access for *us*... wtf??? |
| [19:59:24] | kormoc: | hondo: erm, your minimum system requirements are a bit.... low |
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| [20:02:56] | wagnerrp: | looks like it may be a bit longer, i dont seem to have qt3suppport built into some of the qt stuff |
| [20:03:12] | hondo: | kormoc, for the InstallFest? |
| [20:03:29] | iamlindoro: | good ol 80 gigbit hard drives |
| [20:03:44] | ** iamlindoro brings a stack of floppies to meet the mark ** | |
| [20:03:44] | kormoc: | hondo: yes |
| [20:03:50] | sphery: | hondo: the CPU specs are a bit easy to misconstrue |
| [20:04:06] | iamlindoro: | not to mention the rest being legitimately low, an 80 Gigbit hard drive would be awful small ;) |
| [20:04:29] | kormoc: | and ram is cheap (and *very* useful/required for a backend+frontend box) |
| [20:04:33] | sphery: | much better off with a minimum 2GHz Athlon XP or P4, but Athlon X2/Core 2 would be a better idea in general |
| [20:04:35] | wagnerrp: | ~15–20hrs of HD material, maybe 50 of SD |
| [20:04:36] | iamlindoro: | and makes one look a little silly for having messed it up :) |
| [20:04:54] | wagnerrp: | just have analog and digital requirements |
| [20:04:57] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: 80 GigaBIT HDD in his requirements |
| [20:05:01] | iamlindoro: | not GB |
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| [20:05:35] | wagnerrp: | eh? even my ancient laptop came with something 3x that size |
| [20:05:47] | iamlindoro: | Exactly |
| [20:06:00] | iamlindoro: | Plus, recommending an HD tuner w/ a CPU that can't play it sucks |
| [20:06:03] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: 'emerge -p mythtv | genlop -p' .... 'Estimated update time: 8 hours, 20 minutes.' |
| [20:06:07] | wagnerrp: | heheh |
| [20:06:13] | kormoc: | youch! |
| [20:06:19] | sphery: | hondo: I think that those specs are the kind of thing that encourage people to use their old junkers--which aren't bad for Web/E-mail, but not ideal for Myth |
| [20:06:34] | wagnerrp: | good ol' P3 rustbucket |
| [20:06:40] | sphery: | (not bad for Web/E-mail with a good lightweight GNU/Linux distro, that is) |
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| [20:07:32] | wagnerrp: | anyway, have like a 1Ghz P3 for analog content, a Core2 or Ath64 for digital content |
| [20:07:39] | kormoc: | We should remove the minimum spec list from the site and replace it with a recommended spec list |
| [20:07:45] | wagnerrp: | and say 10GB for boot, plus 5GB/hr for hard drive space |
| [20:07:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | hondo: And Video capture card – just the HD-5500 is recommended? There's LOTS of other choices... ;-) |
| [20:07:47] | kormoc: | I'd go with 2 gb ram minimum |
| [20:07:51] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, that's a good way of doing it |
| [20:08:14] | Josh_Borke: | i'd vote for 16 GB of ram, you don't want to have to swap do you? :D |
| [20:08:22] | sphery: | and mentioning analog /standard-def/ (i.e. so HD-PVR hopefuls don't get too confused) |
| [20:08:42] | gbee: | kormoc: my HD fe/be is scraping by with 1Gb |
| [20:08:48] | _ben: | i'd love it if the hardware part of the wiki was a bit fuller :D |
| [20:09:04] | gbee: | not saying that it would be the recommend spec, but it's a reasonable minimum |
| [20:09:13] | wagnerrp: | honestly, the only time i bump over 512MB on my HD fe/be combo is when im compiling |
| [20:09:16] | gbee: | granted, that's not trunk |
| [20:09:20] | wagnerrp: | other than that, its all disk cache usage |
| [20:09:22] | sphery: | _ben: it is a wiki :) |
| [20:09:28] | hondo: | kormoc, et al, I was looking for a bare minimum there. I agree it is far from desirable> |
| [20:09:37] | ** J-e-f-f-A ran a backend a few years back on an a Dual PIII 866 w/512MB ram, but wouldn't recommend it... ;-) ** | |
| [20:09:40] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: what theme? MythUI is much more intensive it seems |
| [20:09:48] | wagnerrp: | so have a bare minimum, and a recommended |
| [20:10:02] | kormoc: | And with the ability to do full HD themes now, that's gonna skyrocket |
| [20:10:04] | sphery: | hondo: as for dealing with issues during install, you'll probably have far fewer on "more reasonable" hardware |
| [20:10:25] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: graphite and terra, both at 720p... mythfrontend doesnt go over a couple hundred MB |
| [20:10:58] | gbee: | mythui shouldn't be any more intensive, and the resolution of the theme doesn't matter so much as the screen res |
| [20:11:03] | sphery: | 1080p pushes it up quite a bit :) (about 2x :) |
| [20:11:32] | sphery: | where I'm talking 1080p output res |
| [20:11:33] | kormoc: | I'm on graphite at 720p, I'm using 722 megabytes |
| [20:11:37] | hondo: | J-e-f-f-A, pcHDTV has helped out with past InstallFests. So I gave them a nod here. |
| [20:11:37] | wagnerrp: | how about this... anyone who can afford a 1080p TV, can afford a couple bucks for more memory |
| [20:11:50] | scan_away is now known as scan | |
| [20:11:59] | hondo: | sphery, true |
| [20:11:59] | gbee: | the images are scaled to the screen size, so even a 1280x720 theme will use more memory on a full HD display, but not more than the same theme based on 1920x1080 |
| [20:12:02] | scan is now known as scan_away | |
| [20:12:11] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: are you using JAMU? |
| [20:12:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | hondo: and I'd have a CD or two with the various firmware files to make things easier, or at least links to where to find them on the web if you've got internet access available at the installfest... ;-) |
| [20:12:38] | MarcT: | kormoc was wagnerrp's issue my overlay or the config file? |
| [20:12:41] | wagnerrp: | mythfrontend (unused since boot about 3 hours ago) with graphite at 720p is at 80MB usage |
| [20:12:50] | MarcT: | or was it not even my overlay? |
| [20:12:51] | wagnerrp: | MarcT: i havent used your overlay |
| [20:12:58] | MarcT: | ok |
| [20:13:00] | kormoc: | Marct, he never used your overlay, wrong person |
| [20:13:07] | MarcT: | gotcha |
| [20:13:12] | MarcT: | that makes more sense lol |
| [20:13:13] | gbee: | kormoc: how much using MythCenter-wide? |
| [20:13:22] | kormoc: | I'll check |
| [20:13:36] | wagnerrp: | lets see if i can RC it into mythvideo, and see how much memory it starts filling up |
| [20:13:43] | hondo: | J-e-f-f-A, firmware for ...? |
| [20:13:51] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: im not using JAMU, but i am otherwise full full on metadata |
| [20:14:05] | hondo: | I have the firmware for me old hd3000 |
| [20:14:15] | kormoc: | might be that I just had a lot of large fanarts loaded |
| [20:14:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | hondo: capture cards – HD-3000, HD-5500, usb capture devices (such as PVR-950), etc... |
| [20:14:32] | MarcT: | hd3000, wow.. I got one in a closet somewhere |
| [20:14:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | (not sure if HD-5500 has a firmware file – Mine's on a shelf currently) |
| [20:14:58] | sphery: | kormoc: all that Firefly/Serenity/SG Atlantis fanart |
| [20:15:07] | kormoc: | gbee: 86 megabytes |
| [20:15:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | MarcT: Yeah, I bought it a few days before the "Broadcast Flag" was supposed to go into effect... ;-) It's now in my Trunk test box. ;-) |
| [20:15:18] | kormoc: | sphery: you know me all too well ;) |
| [20:15:23] | hondo: | gtg — thanks all |
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| [20:15:31] | MarcT: | I bought mine around taht time too |
| [20:15:49] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, tends to result in a Staite of heavy RAM usage |
| [20:15:57] | wagnerrp: | one page of coverfiles and one movie fanart bumped it to 115MB, up 25MB |
| [20:15:58] | gbee: | that's a huge difference, can't all be the theme unless there is a bug |
| [20:16:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | MarcT: Something like $260 IIRC... !!! ;-) |
| [20:16:19] | wagnerrp: | and.... WOW |
| [20:16:26] | kormoc: | I did just restart the frontend to take that, let me swap it over |
| [20:16:28] | MarcT: | at one point I had 2 hd-5000's the hd-3000, a pvr-500 and a pvr-350 all in the same box. |
| [20:16:29] | wagnerrp: | looks to be somewhere around 8–10MB per fanart |
| [20:16:39] | gbee: | we only keep the images that are on-screen + 20Mb of old images |
| [20:16:52] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [20:16:57] | MarcT: | Actually I remember paying $99 or $199 I forget |
| [20:17:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | MarcT: Hehe... I've got a 500, 250 and HDHR on the same backend right now. ;-) |
| [20:17:05] | kormoc: | restarted with graphite and now I'm at 91m |
| [20:17:13] | gbee: | wagnerrp: not that surprising, they are uncompressed remember |
| [20:17:29] | wagnerrp: | i thought they were lossless pngs (compressed) |
| [20:17:37] | wagnerrp: | oh... not in memory |
| [20:17:38] | wagnerrp: | right |
| [20:18:03] | wagnerrp: | looks to be stable at 212MB |
| [20:18:15] | sphery: | could use the X COMPRESS extension--if you don't mind running random decompression as root |
| [20:18:54] | wagnerrp: | starting playback of one, and im up to 246MB |
| [20:19:14] | kormoc: | playback, 144M |
| [20:19:16] | wagnerrp: | seems i never set up that python remote script to process the 'Playback Video' string |
| [20:19:45] | gbee: | until someone comes up with a way of storing those images more efficiently, or at least in video memory things aren't going to improve, but it's possible to save memory by careful theming – the more images, the more memory even if they are composited on screen, so the lesson is don't break down everything to lots of small images when one will do |
| [20:19:45] | kormoc: | guess for some reason, I was leaking memory, whoops |
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| [20:20:00] | Dagmar: | Pfft |
| [20:20:16] | Dagmar: | Yeah I noticed that my 25-frame animation didn't work so well |
| [20:20:25] | sphery: | kormoc: might want to mention that on the list... It would be the right thing Udo |
| [20:20:51] | kormoc: | gb ee: can we do display windows? (common css trick, you toss all the images into a single file and then specify offsets, display 5x5 from 245x0 style) |
| [20:21:21] | wagnerrp: | and... it seems ive killed it |
| [20:21:22] | wagnerrp: | 0MB |
| [20:21:53] | kormoc: | sphery: only if I toss in a few snide insults about how it never gets better |
| [20:22:03] | sphery: | true |
| [20:22:56] | gbee: | kormoc: assuming that was for me, no not now anyway |
| [20:23:19] | kormoc: | I wonder if that'd help or not |
| [20:23:21] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [20:28:16] | iamlindoro: | I think the image load delays and memory issues are going to be a real sore spot with users this release |
| [20:28:57] | iamlindoro: | At risk of sounding like a clueless user, when other media center softwares fade in such large images smoothly and seemingly instantly, there is bound to be some frustration |
| [20:29:12] | iamlindoro: | though I am sure they make much heavier use of GL to do that stuff |
| [20:29:44] | gbee: | yeah, well forgive me that no-one seems to take interest in this stuff |
| [20:30:33] | sphery: | iamlindoro: GL? Don't you mean DirectX? |
| [20:30:50] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Not blame at all :( I wish I were more capable of helping you but I try to do so when I can |
| [20:32:01] | sphery: | You know, we could redo our UI using Flash. That would be great because Flash works on *all* platforms and it takes so little CPU--I can play a high-def YouTube video full screen on my PIII-based Windows XP box... |
| [20:32:13] | gbee: | I've never claimed to be an expert in these areas, I just wanted to see mythui completed which was never going to happen otherwise |
| [20:32:32] | sphery: | and, if we do that, as a side bonus, we'd be able to have animated UI's, even animated UI's with--wait for it-- |
| [20:32:35] | sphery: | flames! |
| [20:32:50] | sphery: | (I am being completely facetious here.) |
| [20:33:08] | kormoc: | I'm not! FIREY DEATHS FOR ALL! |
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| [20:33:30] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Please don't get the wrong idea-- if anything I am frustrated that nobody else has stepped up to help you. I hope you know that I sincerely do try to do my level best to take some pressure off of you |
| [20:33:53] | sphery: | though, since we kicked my Flash-UI-with-flames from the dev channel, he hasn't been around to help, so we may have missed the Flash boat... Might be stuck with SilverLight, now |
| [20:35:10] | meshe: | webkit and webgl |
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| [20:35:30] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:35:40] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I'm just frustrated because I'm well aware of the issues and I know that I don't have the time to do everything |
| [20:36:16] | gbee: | I'd much rather be working on the fun stuff than complicated optimisations |
| [20:36:46] | sphery: | especially when RAM is cheap |
| [20:36:57] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I think your work this release has been remarkable. Am doing my best to come up to speed the help where I can. I'm sorry if I insulted you. |
| [20:37:07] | sphery: | save your sanity and let the user eat RAM |
| [20:37:16] | wagnerrp: | i wonder what loss there would be if the qt painter was just dropped? |
| [20:37:41] | sphery: | I'd sure miss it when ssh -Y'ing |
| [20:37:51] | gbee: | iamlindoro: you didn't insult me at all, just reminded me that there are jobs I'd rather not work on |
| [20:38:51] | iamlindoro: | FWIW I think many of the perceived improvements are perceptual rather than optimizations |
| [20:38:54] | gbee: | we could certainly save memory if the QT painter was dropped, all the shape stuff could be done at draw time with no caching and every theme could make use of shapes to some degree |
| [20:39:00] | iamlindoro: | XBMC fades in fanart a few seconds after idling on something |
| [20:39:14] | iamlindoro: | In all likelihood they're threading the scaling/loading and crossfading when done |
| [20:39:23] | iamlindoro: | but the smooth fade in without delay give the impression of speed |
| [20:39:36] | iamlindoro: | er without blocking the UI, that is |
| [20:39:43] | gbee: | iamlindoro: aye, the use of timers in cases like that does make a difference and it's probably what we should be using in several places |
| [20:40:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats the only real problem i have with the current 'slowness', the UI blocks so i cant continue to the next entry |
| [20:40:46] | gbee: | btw, the memory used by a 1920x1080 image is always precisely 8.2944Mb – for those that wondered |
| [20:40:53] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [20:41:46] | wagnerrp: | now the code already seems to be there, since newly downloaded metadata loads in the background |
| [20:42:12] | gbee: | wagnerrp: the whole effect would take minutes to implement |
| [20:42:15] | wagnerrp: | is there any reason all loads couldnt be done in the background |
| [20:42:42] | ** iamlindoro kicks the house of cards that is the mythvideo scanning code ** | |
| [20:42:47] | gbee: | wagnerrp: well I've a patch to do just that, but it needs a little work – works, but could be more efficient |
| [20:42:52] | iamlindoro: | WHY MUST YOU ALL DEPEND ON EACH OTHER |
| [20:43:09] | gbee: | wanted to get it done for 0.22, but ... |
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| [20:44:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | gbee: and it only gets worse as you get older... :-( |
| [20:48:20] | gbee: | maybe I'll review the threaded load patch this week |
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| [20:53:30] | gbee: | the effect was bad when I last tried it, the UI was much faster but because we didn't want for images to load but there was lots of flashing and empty backgrounds, I had an idea that it would be better to only thread off the loading of large images and those not already cached |
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| [21:01:01] | sphery: | could cable cards even be made to work with switched video cable systems? |
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| [21:01:33] | wagnerrp: | with cablecard 2.0, yes |
| [21:03:10] | sphery: | hmmm... interesting. I figured the FCC's allowing encryption on switched video was because it wouldn't work. |
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| [21:11:46] | jams: | gbee- should the copy settings screen be a new xml for the new ui or append it to an exsiting one? |
| [21:12:16] | jams: | i'm leaning towards new xml |
| [21:13:35] | gbee: | either config-ui.xml or another, it's all pretty arbitrary but I don't want any one file getting too large nor end up with too many files, so use your judgement |
| [21:14:08] | wagnerrp: | is it actually a requirement that cablecard devices comply with copyonce/copynever flags? |
| [21:14:38] | wagnerrp: | or that they otherwise control digital access to the video |
| [21:14:39] | jams: | k |
| [21:16:19] | wagnerrp: | specifically, im just wondering if any of the 3rd party cablecard STBs are willing to transmit over firewire |
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| [21:20:09] | gbee: | do I trust that the guide data is accurate when it says that More 4s lineup tonight will repeat itself, the same three programs shown again after the last finishes? |
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| [21:23:27] | iamlindoro: | Heh, so I just got a neutral eBay feedback |
| [21:23:31] | iamlindoro: | "1 HD-CA 2 TX – 10 DAYS = PATHETIC. bot 1 mor fm othr wz here in 2 days" |
| [21:23:33] | notlistening: | Hi, i have just compiled ,ythtv from svn is it okay to run mythweb from the weekly build and mythtv from head together? |
| [21:23:58] | iamlindoro: | Dude paid on 8/25, I shipped using his choice of shipping on 8/25... how is that my fault? |
| [21:23:59] | gardengnome: | iamlindoro: wat |
| [21:24:05] | iamlindoro: | er paid on 8/23 |
| [21:24:53] | wagnerrp: | should respond something about being unable to communicate with buyer due to illiteracy |
| [21:25:13] | iamlindoro: | my response was "Item Paid for 8/23 PM, Shipped 8/25 AM, arrived 9/01. UPS performance my fault?" |
| [21:25:46] | wagnerrp: | buyer does not speak english, had difficulty in obtaining shipping address |
| [21:25:51] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [21:26:00] | wagnerrp: | sent bobcat instead |
| [21:27:21] | meshe: | no hablo anglais |
| [21:27:24] | wagnerrp: | that is pretty pathetic... even dirt cheap ground shipping should have been there before the weekend |
| [21:27:48] | gardengnome: | meshe: ingles ;) |
| [21:27:54] | wagnerrp: | i mean CA to anywhere on the east coast is usually only 4 days |
| [21:27:59] | wagnerrp: | maine might be 5 |
| [21:28:10] | meshe: | gardengnome: thank you, it's been years since i've written in spanish |
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| [21:28:17] | gardengnome: | meshe: :) |
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| [21:28:25] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: That aside, not even remotely my fault |
| [21:28:33] | iamlindoro: | I shipped barely more than 24 hours later |
| [21:28:36] | wagnerrp: | certainly not |
| [21:28:37] | iamlindoro: | using his choice of shipping |
| [21:29:05] | wagnerrp: | i had someone who complained that it took me so long to set a price |
| [21:29:15] | _ben: | so remind me, i've asked the other day but channel browsing/volume control was/is broken? |
| [21:29:20] | wagnerrp: | after he wouldnt respond to my question about what shipping to use |
| [21:30:25] | wagnerrp: | actually makes me wish i hadnt sold them, because now im in the market for a new one |
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| [21:55:16] | enterusername: | hello |
| [21:55:27] | enterusername: | A couple questions. how do i make the default screen ratio 14:9 |
| [21:55:45] | enterusername: | and is anyone using jaunty? i need to load some modules manually for mythtv and im not sure how and couldn't really find how googling |
| [21:56:15] | _ben: | mmm, segfault |
| [21:57:40] | meshe: | enterusername: myth autodetects your aspect ratio, if you are talking about zooming in when a show is letterboxed, you'll have to compile myth with a patch as there's no auto-zoom yet |
| [21:57:55] | enterusername: | Meshe: its not autodetcting my aspect ratio |
| [21:58:07] | enterusername: | I have to manually select 14:9 to get it to work, it defaults to 4:3 |
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| [21:58:16] | iamlindoro: | meshe: well, that's actually been applied |
| [21:58:30] | iamlindoro: | ie, any version the patch would apply to already has it now :) |
| [21:58:46] | meshe: | iamlindoro: nice :) |
| [21:59:11] | meshe: | enterusername: are you talking about the UI or the actual video playing? |
| [21:59:32] | enterusername: | Umm. I dunno. in order to get 14:9 i have to press "m" in the mythtv menu |
| [21:59:42] | enterusername: | while its playing and select "14:9" |
| [21:59:53] | meshe: | while video is playing? |
| [22:00:02] | enterusername: | yes while live tv is playing |
| [22:00:21] | enterusername: | and then i get a perfect picture on my screen. |
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| [22:01:22] | SpaceBass: | hey folks |
| [22:01:31] | enterusername: | i looked through the menus and could not find the option with no avail |
| [22:01:52] | meshe: | enterusername: sorry, I don't remember off the top of my head and I don't have a myth install in front of me |
| [22:01:54] | SpaceBass: | my myth storage ran out of space (rectified now) but I cannot delete nor play any of my recordings. I'd like to clean them out altogether |
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| [22:02:11] | enterusername: | :( |
| [22:02:16] | SpaceBass: | anyone know how I can truncate that part of the DB? I'd prefer not to start from scratch on the lineup, recording history, etc |
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| [22:02:45] | meshe: | SpaceBass: was your database on the drive that ran out of space? |
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| [22:02:57] | SpaceBass: | meshe, no |
| [22:03:00] | enterusername: | meshe: do you know how to add the pvr_150 and ivtv modules |
| [22:03:16] | enterusername: | properly? in jaunty |
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| [22:03:45] | enterusername: | i can hack it in a start script |
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| [22:03:55] | enterusername: | but i'd like to properly do it and i couldnt find a googel result for that either |
| [22:04:51] | meshe: | enterusername: it's just worked for me, they should be there already |
| [22:04:57] | meshe: | what does dmesg say? |
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| [22:05:07] | enterusername: | oh i have to add a seperate one |
| [22:05:12] | enterusername: | a LIRC_PVR150 blaster |
| [22:05:20] | enterusername: | and not use the default one |
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| [22:05:41] | meshe: | oh, that i've not done before, sorry |
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| [22:06:14] | meshe: | you want to load a second copy of the driver? |
| [22:06:37] | enterusername: | no.. i want to load a custom driver |
| [22:06:44] | enterusername: | so one that won't start on boot |
| [22:07:07] | enterusername: | i think i found out how brb |
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| [22:07:13] | meshe: | don't you need to just compile it against the kernel? |
| [22:08:03] | SpaceBass: | strangest thing, I delete them all from mythweb, when I delete the last one, they all come back |
| [22:08:03] | ** Gav8in has some antenna luck ** | |
| [22:08:10] | Gav8in: | The SR-15 is doing it for me |
| [22:08:19] | Gav8in: | everything except the CW |
| [22:08:24] | Gav8in: | and nothings on the CW! |
| [22:09:04] | meshe: | SpaceBass: i've experienced that on my .21-fixes box, have you tried trhough the FE? |
| [22:09:33] | SpaceBass: | meshe, not really running a FE anywhere, I'll install it and try |
| [22:10:26] | meshe: | SpaceBass: also, did you check the backend logs? |
| [22:10:34] | SpaceBass: | meshe, good timing – checking now |
| [22:13:03] | SpaceBass: | meshe, good call on the logs – permissions problem |
| [22:13:07] | SpaceBass: | should be easy fix, thanks |
| [22:13:14] | SpaceBass: | should have thought to check them sooner |
| [22:13:20] | sphery: | SpaceBass: yeah, you can't delete non-existent videos from MythWeb |
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| [22:13:44] | sphery: | (non-existent recordings videos, that is) |
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| [22:14:57] | sphery: | Gav8in: that SR15 looks like a smaller version of the front of my antenna :) |
| [22:15:20] | sphery: | (I have a VHF/UHF antenna that's a large directional, so it really is) |
| [22:15:31] | sphery: | amazing, though, how much more space the VHF part takes |
| [22:15:49] | sphery: | stupid wavelength... |
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| [22:21:43] | EnterUserName: | what are the binaries for ivtv |
| [22:21:58] | EnterUserName: | that mythtv uses.. i would like to setup a script to make ivtv do 14:9 resolution |
| [22:22:49] | iamlindoro: | myth doesn't use external binaries for ivtv |
| [22:22:58] | iamlindoro: | it uses the v4l API |
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| [22:23:37] | EnterUserName: | hmm is there anyway to tell mythtv in the change_channel to default to 14:9 aspect ratio |
| [22:23:43] | EnterUserName: | as i can't find a place for it in the menu |
| [22:23:57] | meshe: | EnterUserName: you can set that in recording profiles, but it will store all of your files stretched |
| [22:24:27] | EnterUserName: | Hmm.. The problem is i think my Cable company uses that and ratio's it out properly |
| [22:24:43] | EnterUserName: | its like a tv. Your tv sends a signal "send me this ratio" and it does it.. |
| [22:24:56] | meshe: | uh, no |
| [22:25:30] | meshe: | if you are going to tell ivtv to do 14:9 then just tell myth to tell ivtv to do 14:9 |
| [22:25:53] | EnterUserName: | from the recording profiles? |
| [22:25:55] | ** EnterUserName will look ** | |
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| [22:27:04] | EnterUserName: | There's no 14:9 in recording profiles just 16:9 and 4:3. |
| [22:27:14] | EnterUserName: | however it is in the Mythtv menu.. |
| [22:27:21] | ** EnterUserName really appreciates your help on this and thanks you :) ** | |
| [22:28:47] | meshe: | EnterUserName: what version of myth are you using? |
| [22:29:17] | EnterUserName: | m0.21.20080304–1 |
| [22:29:24] | EnterUserName: | jaunty's packaged one |
| [22:29:59] | meshe: | the new version (available soon) will have an autozoom feature in it that will do what you need |
| [22:30:55] | EnterUserName: | ok will look forward to it. Thanks.. so its not possible right now with my current version to do 14:9 by default? |
| [22:30:58] | meshe: | i've been away for a bit, so i'm not sure what the eta on 0.22 is |
| [22:31:42] | EnterUserName: | Its weird how does cable companies handle 16:9 pictures and 14:9 when they choose that? I thought the tv sent a signal to tell the cable box on what signal to send? |
| [22:32:46] | clever: | i beleive the video has its aspect ratio embeded in the stream, and the tv just scales it to fit durring playback/decoding |
| [22:32:52] | meshe: | the pvr-150 records in 4:3 because that's what analog is |
| [22:33:04] | EnterUserName: | I have it hooked up to the Svideo. |
| [22:33:08] | EnterUserName: | using a digital tuner. |
| [22:33:11] | meshe: | it's still analog |
| [22:33:17] | EnterUserName: | oh ok |
| [22:33:24] | clever: | svideo is 4:3 analog |
| [22:35:03] | meshe: | have to run, company function... |
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| [22:40:27] | jamey: | what is the deal with trunk and karmic, I cant get the audio working. I've tried everything no pulse , with pulse. No sound! |
| [22:42:06] | paperclip: | new feature.. closed captioning.. in stereo |
| [22:42:19] | AndyCap: | paperclip: does that need glasses? |
| [22:42:24] | paperclip: | you will need those blue/red glasses |
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| [22:42:32] | paperclip: | AndyCap: yes.. |
| [22:42:52] | paperclip: | the nvidia led shutters should work with .23 |
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| [22:42:57] | AndyCap: | paperclip: well, not to worry. http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.23163 :) |
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| [22:43:18] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v iamlindoro | |
| [22:43:42] | paperclip: | AndyCap: oh.. reversible too |
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| [22:50:14] | iamlindoro: | Bah, I know these are scary words coming from me-- but I think I need more SATA ports |
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| [22:55:46] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: you know the devil will download you straight to hell through those. |
| [22:57:40] | iamlindoro: | oh but what a way to go |
| [22:58:36] | ** j-rod has an 8-port 3Ware 9500S sitting unused somewhere... ** | |
| [22:58:44] | j-rod: | since it got replaced by a 12-port 9550SX |
| [22:59:07] | iamlindoro: | I've got 18 in the MBE |
| [22:59:14] | iamlindoro: | but not I need to use a few spares and not *quite* enough |
| [22:59:58] | meshe: | that would make my husband very, very happy |
| [23:00:17] | meshe: | (the nvidia glasses working with myth that is) |
| [23:01:21] | ** AndyCap has yet to make up his mind about the supermicro sata_mv controller ** | |
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| [23:03:01] | tmkt: | still optimistic about .22 before oct? |
| [23:03:51] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [23:05:54] | janneg: | iamlindoro: that makes 90 sata ports with 5x port multipliers |
| [23:06:17] | iamlindoro: | janneg, I would be so happy just to get the ones I've got working |
| [23:06:28] | iamlindoro: | I have four ports that are a PMP, but have had no luck w/ them :( |
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| [23:12:17] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [23:12:33] | mattwj2002: | first off I want to say sorry I know this is the wrong room for this |
| [23:13:15] | mattwj2002: | but with my Asus EeePC 900 I am playin 1080i HD in Ubuntu Linux |
| [23:13:15] | mattwj2002: | :D |
| [23:13:37] | mattwj2002: | off of an HDTV tuner not using mythtv....I am going to try mythtv next |
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| [23:17:21] | rooter7: | Anyone here? |
| [23:17:38] | mattwj2002: | I am rooter7 |
| [23:17:53] | rooter7: | Having trouble with mythcommflasg failing on h.264 movies. |
| [23:17:53] | mattwj2002: | I was just telling the guys I am doing HDTv on a netbook |
| [23:17:54] | mattwj2002: | :D |
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| [23:18:21] | rooter7: | Crashes out every time for 'broken h.264 stream. |
| [23:18:42] | rooter7: | Any way around this? I have movies piling up. |
| [23:19:21] | janneg: | iamlindoro: I've heard the silicon image based multipliers work best with silicon image sata controllers |
| [23:21:54] | jamey: | anyone doing audio over hdmi i got a quick question |
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| [23:25:33] | AndyCap: | jamey: works for me. |
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| [23:52:54] | Josh__: | I've got a couple of questions regarding Channel scanning on trunk. I'm not famillar with the terminology. After scanning for channels, mythtv-setup says it "Found 23 off-air channels", What are these? |
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| [23:55:29] | mattwj2002: | hi guys |
| [23:55:36] | mattwj2002: | I have a question can I get some help? |
| [23:56:03] | mattwj2002: | with playback profiles? which one is the less cpu intensive? |
| [23:56:16] | mattwj2002: | slim??? |
| [23:58:54] | MarcT: | CPU--? |
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| [23:59:25] | jams: | yes |
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