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| [00:04:42] | gbee: | no thieving of themes from other projects |
| [00:05:07] | gbee: | you can't just copy Aeon and call it your own |
| [00:05:27] | iamlindoro: | right |
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| [00:07:14] | kormoc: | I'd call it Flux personally, myself doesn't roll off the tongue |
| [00:07:46] | iamlindoro: | Fluxed up |
| [00:09:37] | gbee: | I'm also sorry to say that developers would be unable to qualify, much as I'd like a prize |
| [00:09:49] | iamlindoro: | That's perfectly fair |
| [00:10:06] | iamlindoro: | since the idea would be to get people involved (theoretically for) the first time |
| [00:10:12] | gbee: | yeah |
| [00:10:42] | reyy: | a pinnacle i800 has the sound bitrate of 31000 or something elese? |
| [00:10:52] | i_is_cat: | i modified gant a while back but thats the most i did.. there needs to be an easier way to theme i think.. :S |
| [00:10:55] | sphery: | besides, devs are already getting a nice salary and bonuses and benefits, so... |
| [00:10:58] | laga_: | gbee: aw, do you want that SD subscription so badly? :) |
| [00:11:17] | sphery: | i_is_cat: mythui is /much/ easier than the old way |
| [00:11:17] | reyy: | the sound is the only thing not working here. I have tried just about any combination of /dev/dsp and drivers |
| [00:11:21] | gbee: | but aside from bias in judging there is a very good reason we'd have to exclude ourselves – we're in a position to make code changes in support of our ideas, we could quite simply innovate ourselves a better theme using all new effects/features |
| [00:11:38] | gbee: | laga_: got one ;) |
| [00:11:42] | sphery: | at the last minute, of course |
| [00:12:00] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Heh, I often felt I was leapfrogging feature/theme/feature in our .22 cycle |
| [00:12:00] | i_is_cat: | sphery, i started reading about mythui last night before i went to bed and it does look like it would be a lot nicer what with the inheritance and such |
| [00:12:14] | gbee: | I think iamlindoro was suggesting an SD sub for those who enter or runners up, with a better prize for 1st place |
| [00:12:21] | iamlindoro: | exactly |
| [00:12:36] | sphery: | yeah, if you get a good inheritance, you can sit home theming all the time and give up your day job |
| [00:12:40] | iamlindoro: | and like I said, would need some prize of small but real value for non-NA folks |
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| [00:12:55] | laga_: | sphery: lol |
| [00:13:00] | i_is_cat: | one thing i'd really like to see more of is osd themes.. i seem to have like 3 times as many regular themes as i do osd ones |
| [00:13:24] | sphery: | i_is_cat: once the OSD is mythui'ed, there will be a push... |
| [00:13:28] | iamlindoro: | We have a number of devs who work for companies that make nice boxed versions of linux software, maybe some donations would be nice, etc. |
| [00:13:43] | iamlindoro: | I won't touch the OSd until it's MythUI'd but am quite excited for when it is |
| [00:13:56] | i_is_cat: | sphery, i didnt get that far into the doc, thats cool tho |
| [00:13:56] | sphery: | a free MythBuntu /CD/? |
| [00:14:08] | reyy: | wtf is mithui+ |
| [00:14:09] | reyy: | ? |
| [00:14:11] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Was thinking RHEL/Boxed Fedora |
| [00:14:20] | iamlindoro: | reyy, check the wiki and cut out the "WTF" |
| [00:14:37] | laga_: | we don't even get to say "wtf"? |
| [00:15:12] | iamlindoro: | don't need it in a derisive manner IMO, especially in the context of being too lazy to look it up |
| [00:15:15] | reyy: | sheesh.. how intolerant |
| [00:15:17] | gbee: | iamlindoro: we could talk to our friends at Silicon Dust, Hauppauge etc, or one of the distros, I'm sure we could scrounge up any amount of small prizes |
| [00:15:22] | laga_: | ah |
| [00:15:25] | iamlindoro: | Yeah |
| [00:15:32] | laga_: | so i stzill get to say "wtf is up with lazy people". good. |
| [00:15:43] | iamlindoro: | yes :) |
| [00:15:44] | ** laga_ can't type. ** | |
| [00:16:37] | iamlindoro: | It wouldn't be hard to explain the benefits of improving myth to SilDust/Schedules Direct/Hauppauge IMO |
| [00:16:39] | gbee: | hell, I've still got an unworn Red Hat t-shirt that was given away in a goody bag at one of the linux expo's, people love to give away free stuff if it means a little promotion |
| [00:17:16] | ** gbee looks at the light up Sun Microsystems pen on his desk ** | |
| [00:18:03] | sphery: | kormoc: heh, you got a reply from the user with the most annoying e-mail address in all of mythdom |
| [00:18:11] | kormoc: | Yay! |
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| [00:18:31] | sphery: | annoying? perhaps even offensive. |
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| [00:21:58] | kormoc: | I consider it offensive, F Myth Users is quite the statement |
| [00:22:12] | kormoc: | I think we should all report him to MIT... ;) |
| [00:22:28] | sphery: | I have been trying to think of some other meaning for it, but can't come up with one |
| [00:22:50] | sphery: | though even if there is another meaning, it's still easy enough to misinterpret |
| [00:24:02] | ** kormoc wonders if he starts out with, 'F F-Mythtv-Users' if the guy would find it offensive or not ** | |
| [00:24:15] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:24:31] | sphery: | might be the only way to get him to change it |
| [00:24:48] | iamlindoro: | Tell him you have a stutter |
| [00:24:59] | kormoc: | ha |
| [00:25:06] | kormoc: | anyway, I'm outzors |
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| [00:51:21] | i_is_cat: | i think im gonna setup my uncles myth box this weekend.. with the hd-pvr, i see its doing livetv pretty well and can do 1080i.. |
| [00:51:53] | paperclip: | bleh.. freaking adaptec bootable util disc will blind you.. |
| [00:52:05] | i_is_cat: | lol bright yellow or something? |
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| [00:52:58] | paperclip: | just extremely ugly.. |
| [00:53:16] | paperclip: | it's twm and a java app |
| [00:53:23] | paperclip: | 16 colors.. |
| [00:53:29] | paperclip: | and it beeps a lot |
| [00:53:31] | i_is_cat: | haha oh thats gotta be lovely |
| [00:53:49] | paperclip: | yeah.. a joy |
| [00:54:02] | paperclip: | and it thinks all four of my new drives are "failed" |
| [00:54:35] | paperclip: | going to try the onboard format utility.. |
| [00:54:49] | paperclip: | should take all night to format the four drives :( |
| [01:00:24] | i_is_cat: | i hope the mythlcdserver works properly on my uncles imon when i set it up this weekend.. mine isnt a big deal at all but his will be up front right there next to the tv in his entertainment rack so it will look real crappy if its not working |
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| [01:20:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: I've got the imon LCD in my Antec Fusion Black case that I'm testing Trunk on. It's working fine. (LCDproc 0.5.2 and lirc 0.8.5 on Fedora 11) |
| [01:21:30] | i_is_cat: | ya he has an antec fusion silver with the knob but its not a click knob nor does the imon include ir.. which is bizarre |
| [01:22:01] | i_is_cat: | i had myth on it about a year ago and the lcd was working pretty good for the most part but with the lcd issues im having on my particular imon, i'm concerned about his |
| [01:22:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: I haven't tried to see if the icons are supported with this combo yet, but it works as a basic 16x2 display. |
| [01:23:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: And one thing I haven't investigated yet is how to get the lcd to shut off when you power off the case — IIRC, I read a forum msg on how to do it, but haven't been near the comptuer when I read that to implement/try it... |
| [01:25:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: Mine has the volume knob (no click), the LCD with all the icons, and the IR receiver. |
| [01:30:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: one 'gotcha' that caught me was that mythlcdserver was able to communicate with LCDd and show the date/time, but mythbackend couldn't connect to mythlcdserver. I had to comment out the IPV6 entry in the hosts file... then everything worked fine. (IPv6 was not enabled, but this entry apparently confused the backend somehow) |
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| [02:18:58] | mag0o: | success! went from 0.21-fixes to svn and used a full db backup and let mythtv-setup to the db upgrade |
| [02:18:58] | mag0o: | i can watch live tv, recordings are working fine and all is good |
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| [02:32:20] | sphery: | mag0o: great... that means you don't have to keep the door locked when the SO returns |
| [02:46:24] | ourtv: | is there a previous channel funtion in mythtv? |
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| [02:48:09] | sphery: | Yeah, it's PREVCHAN in TV Playback context. Map a key with MythControls or use the default (H) |
| [02:50:41] | ourtv: | sphery, oh, the text i'm reading makes it sound like h goes through the list of channels previously watched. i just want to go to the last channel and then back again if pressed again. |
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| [02:56:43] | ourtv: | yep that's it. thanks |
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| [03:22:02] | dserban: | Ok, so I'm back with my issue with keyboards. J-e-f-f-A suggested I change my keyboard layout to make media buttons work, no go. Well I did xmodmap to work on one keyboard, now the other has X aliases assigned to the same keycode numbers. Such as scancode 173 = ] (volume up) on the other keyboard where the media key shows 173 as a scancode xev translates it to XFAudioUp... err wth? |
| [03:30:05] | tgm4883: | In trunk, is there any reason that there are both storage groups for videos, posters, screenshots, etc and also a section in the frontend to add these directories? |
| [03:32:04] | iamlindoro: | because the Storage Group implementation isn't finished and we still support the legacy "local" settings as a fallback, since numerous things don't work yet w/ Storage Groups |
| [03:32:34] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
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| [03:43:25] | Captain_Murdoch2: | iamlindoro, I have backend code for RemoteFile::Exists(), I Just need to test the code in RemoteFile, but got sidetracked with a socket bug that annoyed me. |
| [03:43:36] | ** iamlindoro hugs Captain_Murdoch2 ** | |
| [03:43:43] | iamlindoro: | You have no idea how much that will allow me to fix |
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| [03:43:46] | iamlindoro: | :) |
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| [03:49:01] | Captain_Murdoch2: | iamlindoro, do you get a lot of "unknown socket closing" messages? |
| [03:49:18] | Captain_Murdoch2: | on the backend |
| [03:49:42] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [03:49:44] | iamlindoro: | tons |
| [03:49:56] | Captain_Murdoch2: | ok, I know what's causing that, it dates way back it appears. |
| [03:50:07] | Captain_Murdoch2: | we try to close every socket twice. |
| [03:50:34] | Captain_Murdoch2: | well, we call MainServer::connectionClosed() twice that is. |
| [03:50:43] | Captain_Murdoch2: | in the socket close code. |
| [03:51:14] | iamlindoro: | interesting... guess the recent socket changes are what exposed it? |
| [03:52:24] | Captain_Murdoch2: | possibly. I thought I noticed this before, but wanted to track it down now to make sure it wasn't something funny with the way I was doing the RemoteFile::Exists and ::DeleteFile connections. |
| [03:53:15] | Captain_Murdoch2: | once we allow MV to use libmythtv, it can just use a routine from libmythtv/remoteutil.cpp which can use the existing connection from FE -> BE |
| [03:53:29] | iamlindoro: | I managed to bring down the backend reliably with GetFileSize on a few dozen nonexistent files |
| [03:53:40] | iamlindoro: | (in quick succession) |
| [03:54:05] | Captain_Murdoch2: | yeah, that opens a ringbuffer I think which would try to buffer part of the file I believe) |
| [03:54:39] | ** Captain_Murdoch2 goes to code up a quick test routine so he can test RemoteFile::Exists instead of using the perl bindings to test. ** | |
| [03:55:12] | Captain_Murdoch2: | sometimes I think we need a mythtest which can be used to test things like this, potentially for regression testing even. |
| [03:56:13] | Captain_Murdoch2: | mythtest --remotefile_exists --filename filename.mpg --storagegroup Videos |
| [03:56:46] | iamlindoro: | yeah, that would be great |
| [03:56:47] | Captain_Murdoch2: | I keep adding routines to mythcommflag since it's quick to build. |
| [03:57:24] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, this is going to be such a great fix for me, I can finally make the image hunt in MythVideo reliably use SG files |
| [03:57:34] | iamlindoro: | And can expand the Watch Recordings hunt to use them too |
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| [04:07:33] | Captain_Murdoch2: | for Watch Recordings, I can give you another method to use which will use the existing backend connection so it doesn' thave to open a new one. |
| [04:07:45] | iamlindoro: | That would be great |
| [04:08:08] | j-rod: | more progress... mostly still just figuring out all the places where things need to be wired up... |
| [04:08:15] | j-rod: | 18 files changed, 278 insertions(+), 30 deletions(-) |
| [04:08:43] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, Did you see my -developer post? Wondering whether you guys make a "boxed" product that might fall off the truck :) |
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| [04:08:54] | j-rod: | yeah, I saw that |
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| [04:09:29] | j-rod: | might be able to get like a free 1yr subscription out of someone or something like that |
| [04:09:37] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [04:10:43] | j-rod: | We do have some commercially pressed Fedora media and t-shirts too |
| [04:13:50] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, anything's great, I think... there should be few enough entries that there should be adequate swag I'd think |
| [04:14:14] | Captain_Murdoch2: | iamlindoro, actually, it needs a bit more logic if I add in the other method since the backend would have to proxy requests to slaves, so I think it's best to keep it limited to RemoteFile::Exists() for now. |
| [04:14:45] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch2, no worries |
| [04:15:01] | Captain_Murdoch2: | other code is tested, just looking over my diff now. |
| [04:15:25] | thedarkone: | in trunk .22 how can u update video metadata not in menu anymore? |
| [04:15:41] | iamlindoro: | M->Scan for Changes |
| [04:15:48] | iamlindoro: | erm i-> |
| [04:16:54] | thedarkone: | yeah but there used to be a metadata menu to change name and all |
| [04:17:27] | Captain_Murdoch2: | iamlindoro, just to verify, this is what you're looking for right? RemoteFile::Exists("myth://Videos@192.168.3.100/some_filename.mpg") |
| [04:17:44] | Captain_Murdoch2: | just like ::DeleteFile() |
| [04:18:28] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch2, exactly |
| [04:18:38] | iamlindoro: | thedarkone, There still is |
| [04:18:54] | iamlindoro: | m->Metadata options->edit metadata |
| [04:19:07] | iamlindoro: | unless you're not talking about videos, but recordings instead |
| [04:20:15] | thedarkone: | i see well can we still edit the key? |
| [04:20:57] | iamlindoro: | edit what key? |
| [04:22:37] | thedarkone: | key binds |
| [04:22:51] | thedarkone: | i hit m does nothing lol |
| [04:23:36] | iamlindoro: | You still ahven't said whether you're talking about actual videos, or if you actually mean recordings |
| [04:23:46] | thedarkone: | mythvideo |
| [04:23:58] | iamlindoro: | anyway, M is the default keybinding, if you've changed it it's still modified in edit keys as always |
| [04:24:55] | thedarkone: | is that M default under video |
| [04:24:56] | thedarkone: | ? |
| [04:25:05] | iamlindoro: | M is a global binding |
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| [04:25:23] | iamlindoro: | it's the MENU binding, it's the same key regardless of location |
| [04:25:50] | thedarkone: | yeah |
| [04:27:08] | thedarkone: | well i have that menu but pop up when it is in mythvideo only has 4 things in it scan for changes filter display disable file browse mode disable flat view |
| [04:27:51] | iamlindoro: | So press I |
| [04:27:56] | iamlindoro: | inverted keybindings |
| [04:29:04] | thedarkone: | nothing happens |
| [04:29:28] | iamlindoro: | then you don't have an actual item selected |
| [04:29:33] | iamlindoro: | you're on a folder or something |
| [04:29:47] | iamlindoro: | and even then it still ought to work unless your trunk is woefully out of date |
| [04:29:56] | iamlindoro: | you also might have changed your INFO binding |
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| [04:30:26] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch2, Awesome, thanks for the commit |
| [04:30:31] | Captain_Murdoch2: | yw. |
| [04:30:55] | Captain_Murdoch2: | looks like that double close is something that went in recenly in 21725. |
| [04:30:59] | iamlindoro: | will see if I can get the storage group image hunt fixed tonight |
| [04:32:27] | iamlindoro: | HA |
| [04:32:34] | iamlindoro: | you know what helps when trying to new use functions? |
| [04:32:37] | iamlindoro: | SVN up'ing first |
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| [04:37:40] | KhaZ: | Hello! I'm noodling around with mythtv, but it seems to complain that it "failed to get recording show list". I don't have a tv tuner, I was hoping to set up MythTV as a front end to movies I have ripped to my hard-drive. Is that possible? |
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| [04:38:54] | iamlindoro: | ok, off to test this fix.. exciting times |
| [04:41:18] | iamlindoro: | Captain_Murdoch2, Still seeing a lot of backend spam about: ERROR: LocalFilePath unable to find local path for 'Lost Season 1_banner.ico'. |
| [04:41:24] | iamlindoro: | debug message? |
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| [04:41:31] | iamlindoro: | (though it does work) |
| [04:41:51] | iamlindoro: | Just figure the error will scare people, and it does spam the BE log w/ them, since I hunt for 40-odd files |
| [04:42:59] | Captain_Murdoch2: | that's not coming from this code. |
| [04:43:49] | Captain_Murdoch2: | if you can run your backend with -v network, see when those are printed. those are only printed when you do a regular RemoteFile which shouldn't happen when you use ::Exists, since it opens it's own backend connection rather than the normal backend connection code in RemoteFile. |
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| [04:44:16] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, bet I'm using it wrong then, let me try a fix |
| [04:45:19] | Captain_Murdoch2: | should just be able to do if (RemoteFile::Exists("myth://Videos@192.168.3.1/some_file.mpg")) VERBOSE(VB_IMPORTANT, "the file exists"); |
| [04:45:22] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, was probably me, fix compiling :) |
| [04:45:26] | iamlindoro: | yeah, got that now :) |
| [04:45:30] | iamlindoro: | sorry for the noise |
| [04:45:34] | Captain_Murdoch2: | no problem. |
| [04:45:39] | iamlindoro: | (was still creating the remotefile) |
| [04:45:53] | Captain_Murdoch2: | sorry, didn't mention it was static like DeleteFile |
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| [04:52:05] | j-rod: | holy crap. freakin' awesome finish to bahrain/saudi arabia world cup qualifier. |
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| [04:55:54] | KhaZ: | Ah; I just realized what I did wrong. Apparently I don't need to run mythtv, but rather mythtvfrontend. Pardon me if this is a beginner question, but can I load mythtv with a set of files from my hard-drive? Or does it have to be recorded? |
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| [04:56:12] | [R]: | KhaZ: mythvideo |
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| [05:12:59] | clever: | iamlindoro: guess what, i found a new insane way to stream mythtv:P |
| [05:13:13] | iamlindoro: | E_NOCARE |
| [05:13:57] | clever: | and its so crappy even i wont use it:P |
| [05:14:00] | wagnerrp: | it better have something to do with lasers |
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| [05:14:22] | clever: | wagnerrp: VNC set to 64 colors to get the video, with ventrilo broadcasting the audio |
| [05:14:46] | wagnerrp: | ... |
| [05:14:56] | clever: | horid colors, horid frametrate, and the audio keeps cutting out |
| [05:15:40] | wagnerrp: | thats like someone claiming they found the peanut butter and vomit sandwich |
| [05:15:43] | clever: | best to just use mythweb's streaming |
| [05:16:01] | clever: | i know, its horid |
| [05:16:39] | clever: | and the flash applet in mythweb is missing |
| [05:16:43] | wagnerrp: | so why try? why mention it? |
| [05:16:51] | i_is_cat: | hmmmm one of my frontends died on me and when i reopened it here i'm forced to watch on my second tuner (which has poorer quality) and i went to mythweb, seems the first tuner is just sitting there recording on the channel it was on when the frontend died.. |
| [05:17:00] | wagnerrp: | 'because you can' is by no means a good reason |
| [05:17:16] | i_is_cat: | how would i tell it to stop? aside from killing the backend? |
| [05:17:19] | clever: | for entertainment? |
| [05:17:49] | clever: | wagnerrp: do i have to do something special to enable the flash app now? |
| [05:17:59] | clever: | ah i found it |
| [05:18:09] | wagnerrp: | same thing as before |
| [05:18:17] | clever: | i dont remember having to turn it on before |
| [05:18:23] | clever: | and if i did, it would still be on |
| [05:18:33] | wagnerrp: | you have always had to turn it on |
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| [05:18:41] | clever: | and if i did, it would still be on |
| [05:18:41] | wagnerrp: | it has always been listed as an experimental feature |
| [05:19:12] | i_is_cat: | or better yet.. why doesnt it ask me when i go to watch tv whether i want to watch the current recording or the second tuner? :/ |
| [05:20:24] | wagnerrp: | because 'recordings' is for watching existing recordings |
| [05:20:30] | wagnerrp: | not livetv |
| [05:21:14] | wagnerrp: | of course a menu patch letting livetv flip over to a running recording would be welcome |
| [05:21:47] | iamlindoro: | i->Jump to Program->select a recording |
| [05:22:15] | wagnerrp: | that does exist? i dont remember ever seeing it |
| [05:22:18] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [05:22:25] | clever: | wagnerrp: got it streaming but the seek bar appears useless |
| [05:23:06] | wagnerrp: | clever: that is very likely, considering the video is being transcoded and streamed in real-time |
| [05:23:44] | clever: | yeah |
| [05:23:49] | i_is_cat: | ok.. but heres the thing.. i was watching livetv, not recording, myth crashed and now its just sitting there recording thinking its livetv still.. do i have to go into the recording and hit stop or something? how do i cancel it so i can watch livetv again? :S this wasnt supposed to happen |
| [05:24:02] | i_is_cat: | again, stop it without killing the backend if i can...? |
| [05:24:04] | wagnerrp: | although it should cache locally, and be able to seek backwards |
| [05:24:24] | clever: | wagnerrp: the bar is stuck at the far right |
| [05:25:30] | clever: | id expect a bit of a gap on the right, for the future video its still dl'ing |
| [05:25:48] | clever: | though it is a still broken poc |
| [05:27:52] | i_is_cat: | alright i guess deleting it 5 times over seems to have helped .. tho my system just died again wtf is going on here... |
| [05:28:43] | i_is_cat: | and its recording the channel i chose just before it died again.... :S |
| [05:28:48] | KhaZ: | [R]: Ah, neat. Thanks. Just looking into the plugins. Is there any way I can disable the TV section of the front end just so it doesn't show up? |
| [05:29:42] | i_is_cat: | something is flakey on this box.. i dont know if its the software or the hardware but this is the second time the frontend has rebooted in the past hour while watching livetv |
| [05:31:22] | [R]: | KhaZ: you can edit the main_menu.xml (you can put it in ~/.mythtv) |
| [05:38:59] | i_is_cat: | mythtv is using all inputs but there are no active recordings? |
| [05:38:59] | i_is_cat: | :S |
| [05:39:00] | i_is_cat: | i think my frontend killed my backend |
| [05:40:17] | [R]: | frontend killed the backend |
| [05:40:20] | i_is_cat: | i guess i'll have to log the errors and pastebin them or something.. |
| [05:40:23] | [R]: | is that like video killed the radiostar? |
| [05:40:29] | i_is_cat: | if/when it happens again |
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| [05:54:30] | i_is_cat: | well there she goes again.. |
| [05:55:24] | i_is_cat: | this time seems like it didnt kill the backend.. |
| [05:55:50] | wagnerrp: | wow... seems just about everything i record starts back up on sept21 |
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| [06:02:52] | paperclip: | is the streaming afx link supposed to work in mythweb without transcoding.. i always get location not found.. |
| [06:03:38] | wagnerrp: | it is a direct file stream, yes |
| [06:06:40] | i_is_cat: | seems the backend crashed again |
| [06:07:54] | i_is_cat: | ive got http://pastebin.ca/1561895 if anyone minds taking a look to see whats going on here.. |
| [06:15:11] | KhaZ: | Do I need the backend if I'm just running mythvideo/mythmusic/mythgame? If not, is there a way to disable the startup check of mythfrontend that complains that there's no backend running? |
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| [06:15:53] | wagnerrp: | not currently, not without editing the code and recompiling |
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| [06:17:23] | KhaZ: | Ah. Too bad, but not necessarily a show stopper, I suppose. |
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| [06:33:19] | i_is_cat: | ok so after restarting the system the backend is on, suddenly all my mythtv settings are gone i start the backend it says i have no tuners setup and asks if i'm a moron |
| [06:36:54] | clever: | check mysql and make shure you didnt restart with the database drive full (it fucks things up even more:P ) |
| [06:37:39] | i_is_cat: | :/ |
| [06:37:51] | i_is_cat: | i dont think a full drive is the case |
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| [06:38:06] | clever: | i_is_cat: check df -h to make shure |
| [06:38:28] | i_is_cat: | i did |
| [06:38:28] | clever: | and maybe tail -F /var/log/daemon.log |
| [06:38:28] | clever: | on the mysql server |
| [06:38:46] | clever: | how much free? |
| [06:39:37] | i_is_cat: | i've got a mythtv-setup[3909]: segfault at 90 ip b5274fb7 sp b1ead490 error 4 in libQtCore.so.4.5.1[b5229000+232000] in dmesg |
| [06:40:45] | i_is_cat: | theres plenty of space available; 6gb on / 16gb on /usr 60gb on /home 22gb on /home/media 41gb on /home/hda 4.9gb on /home/hdb |
| [06:41:01] | clever: | sounds like a programing error in mythtv or qt |
| [06:41:12] | clever: | or faulty ram |
| [06:41:17] | clever: | or a faulty disk |
| [06:41:29] | i_is_cat: | nah its phat mushkin ram and it runs a check 6 times over on each reboot |
| [06:43:31] | i_is_cat: | theres something screwy going on here tho thats for sure.. |
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| [07:52:51] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21775/ |
| [07:52:54] | iamlindoro: | Take that, MythVideo |
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| [07:58:19] | fsl: | haha |
| [08:01:16] | [Peter]: | iamlindoro: seems a bit unnecessary to cleanup newpath inside of the inner for-loop since it should be the same for all iterations, and a break after matches = true; seems like a good idea as well. I guess there aren't a lot of entries in these lists, but still.. :) |
| [08:02:48] | iamlindoro: | I was not offering it for approval |
| [08:04:39] | iamlindoro: | That said, you're right :) |
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| [08:10:49] | alakhia: | i'm trying to manually enter an imdb num in the video manager |
| [08:11:09] | alakhia: | i don't see anything and i see this message in the console: |
| [08:11:19] | alakhia: | MythVideo: VideoManager : Failed to get entertmdb object |
| [08:11:29] | alakhia: | MythThemedDialog.o: something is requesting a screen update of zero size. A widget probably has not done a calculateScreeArea(). Will redraw the whole screen (inefficient!). |
| [08:12:17] | alakhia: | how can i fix this please? |
| [08:12:50] | alakhia: | by the way, at this point the gui freezes and hitting escape shows a seg fault |
| [08:19:19] | juski: | ooo somebody's using a broken theme |
| [08:20:22] | juski: | alakhia: the theme you're using is broken |
| [08:20:33] | juski: | use a different theme or fix it :) |
| [08:21:20] | juski: | I suspect you're trying to use blootube, projectgrayhem, neon-wide or glass-wide |
| [08:25:34] | juski: | or just a 0.21 theme with trunk – or you've simply not updated the themes when you updated mythtv |
| [08:26:11] | juski: | several possibilities for you there. without you telling us anymore it's as much as anybody can say |
| [08:31:00] | alakhia: | ok, let me check |
| [08:32:03] | alakhia: | i'm using 'MythCenter (widescreen)" |
| [08:34:03] | juski: | what version of mythtv are you running? |
| [08:34:23] | juski: | because whatever version it is, you need to install the *same* version of myththemes |
| [08:34:47] | alakhia: | i am using whatever is in mythubuntu 9.04 |
| [08:35:15] | alakhia: | ok, i switched to non-widescreen and now the "Enter Video #" dialog shows up and I can't get rid of it |
| [08:37:13] | alakhia: | i checked and everything seems to be version 0.21 |
| [08:37:52] | alakhia: | with a few exceptions like: mythbuntu-common (0.26), mythbuntu-gdm-theme (0.3) etc. |
| [08:38:32] | juski: | then it sounds like maybe mythbuntu's myththemes package is out of step with mythtv & the plugins |
| [08:38:57] | juski: | or it is on your system at least ;) |
| [08:39:46] | juski: | see if you can update mythtv-theme-mythcenter-wide |
| [08:40:59] | alakhia: | apt-get says everything is up-to-date ... with unrelated packages like firefox, libqt, etc. that need update |
| [08:41:25] | juski: | then you need to take this up with mythbuntu |
| [08:41:41] | alakhia: | ok, thanks for looking into it |
| [08:42:10] | juski: | the issue has been fixed for a while now, but apparently hasn't yet filtered down to their packages |
| [08:43:19] | juski: | oh wait a sec. mythcenter-wide is one of those pretendy themes which doesnt even touch the plugins |
| [08:44:45] | juski: | which means that the default video-ui.xml file is out of date with whatever the mythvideo plugin version is |
| [08:46:39] | alakhia: | not sure what you mean |
| [08:46:59] | alakhia: | there are lots of video-ui.xml files ... one per theme it seems |
| [08:47:24] | juski: | not in mythcenter's case |
| [08:47:32] | juski: | mythvideo isn't themed in that theme |
| [08:47:40] | juski: | so the default xml file will be used |
| [08:47:58] | alakhia: | i tried mythubuntu theme and it shows the dialog box all the time |
| [08:48:20] | alakhia: | so when I force the dialog box to actually show up, the ui freezes again |
| [08:48:37] | juski: | it wasn't broken in mythtv for long, but it seems that fixes aren't making it into packages often enough |
| [08:48:56] | juski: | you should be able to fix it yourself fairly easily |
| [08:48:56] | alakhia: | so do i need to build myth myself? |
| [08:49:08] | juski: | no not to fix this problem |
| [08:49:11] | alakhia: | yes, i'm listening |
| [08:49:19] | alakhia: | ok |
| [08:50:08] | alakhia: | and what exactly is this easy fix, please do tell |
| [08:50:35] | juski: | grab a copy of the default video-ui.xml files from svn & put them in the default themes directory. I think on mythbuntu that would be /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default and /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide for 4:3 (regular) and wide themes respectively |
| [08:50:49] | juski: | I' |
| [08:50:51] | juski: | duh |
| [08:50:55] | juski: | I'll get you the URLs |
| [08:51:14] | juski: | but for goodness sakes report this as a bug to them |
| [08:52:43] | juski: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/21776/branc . . . video-ui.xml would go into /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default/video-ui.xml |
| [08:53:00] | juski: | and http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/export/21776/branc . . . video-ui.xml would go into /usr/share/mythtv/themes/default-wide/video-ui.xml |
| [08:53:42] | juski: | that should fix the issue for mythtv's own 4:3 and -wide themes which don't provide their own video-ui.xml (e.g. MythCenter & MythCenter-wide, also Retro & so on) |
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| [08:56:58] | _ben: | are those 80 plus psu's as good as they make out? |
| [08:57:06] | juski: | mine is |
| [08:57:13] | ** laga_ prefers making out with humans ** | |
| [08:57:17] | juski: | saved about 30W |
| [08:57:20] | _ben: | nice |
| [08:57:24] | _ben: | where did you get yours from? |
| [08:57:47] | juski: | ebuyer I think |
| [08:57:54] | _ben: | Cool, ta |
| [08:58:07] | _ben: | thinking about looking at those WD green drives too |
| [08:58:08] | alakhia: | i have an 80 plus PSU too that I got 3 weeks ago |
| [08:58:33] | alakhia: | got 750 GB WB green caviar for $64 bucks |
| [08:59:08] | alakhia: | newegg had it on sale, $10 off |
| [09:00:49] | alakhia: | juski: that didn't help ... but that is ok for now |
| [09:01:49] | juski: | alakhia: it *should* have helped |
| [09:02:02] | juski: | alakhia: did you quit mythvideo & go back into it? |
| [09:02:17] | juski: | duh if it segfaulted you would've done. oops |
| [09:02:50] | alakhia: | yeah ... i did a diff |
| [09:03:17] | alakhia: | @@ -313,7 +313,6 @@ |
| [09:03:17] | alakhia: | |
| [09:03:17] | alakhia: | <container name="enterimdb"> |
| [09:03:17] | alakhia: | <area>224,229,367,200</area> |
| [09:03:17] | alakhia: | - <context>3</context> |
| [09:03:18] | alakhia: | |
| [09:03:20] | alakhia: | <image name="box" draworder="7"> |
| [09:03:42] | juski: | oy use a pastebin |
| [09:03:47] | alakhia: | sorry |
| [09:03:57] | alakhia: | the second file is the same |
| [09:05:02] | alakhia: | the myth version is 0.21.20080304 |
| [09:05:17] | alakhia: | if the last part is the timestamp, that this is really out of date |
| [09:05:52] | juski: | aye |
| [09:05:59] | gbee: | no |
| [09:06:09] | gbee: | that's NOT the mythtv version number |
| [09:06:17] | gbee: | it's the library version, very different thing |
| [09:06:36] | gbee: | which is why it's not listed as the version when you run --version |
| [09:07:05] | juski: | anyway, the problem you have is caused by not having the right xml file for the version of mythtv & its plugins you've got |
| [09:07:07] | alakhia: | ok, how about this verison: 0.21.0+fixes19961 |
| [09:07:23] | juski: | that's more like it |
| [09:07:24] | _ben: | juski: which rating did you go for? as in bronze/silver/gold? |
| [09:07:32] | gbee: | library ABI remains unchanged normally during a release |
| [09:07:47] | alakhia: | so how old is 19961? |
| [09:07:49] | juski: | _ben: can't remember |
| [09:07:57] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19961 |
| [09:08:19] | gbee: | alakhia: old enough – 7 months |
| [09:08:38] | alakhia: | oh, so I can't run miro bridge since that needs changeset 21461 |
| [09:09:03] | juski: | god, you're making me install myththemes on my production box to make sure it's fixed now. lol |
| [09:09:16] | gbee: | changes to 0.21 branch now – http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/log/branches/release-0-21-fixes |
| [09:09:31] | juski: | miro bridge is only for trunk – what will become 0.22 |
| [09:09:32] | gbee: | juski: I fixed it a couple of months back in 0.21fixes |
| [09:09:50] | juski: | gbee: I thought so but my memory isn't what it once was :) |
| [09:10:10] | juski: | I have a vague recollection of fixing it in /themes too |
| [09:10:12] | gbee: | well /2 months/5 weeks/ ... just feels that long |
| [09:10:37] | juski: | don't think it was broken for very long – but long enough for packagers to miss it |
| [09:11:24] | gbee: | it was apparently broken in themes for months but no-one noticed or reported it |
| [09:11:28] | alakhia: | ok, so I need to checkout from 0-21-fixes and build that |
| [09:11:47] | gbee: | alakhia: which distro? Some provide newer patches |
| [09:11:54] | gbee: | packages |
| [09:12:02] | alakhia: | mine doesn't ... i'm using mythubuntu |
| [09:12:14] | alakhia: | i could try 9.10 alpha 5 or whatever it is at now |
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| [09:12:38] | alakhia: | i don't suppose it would be wise to build 0.22, would it? |
| [09:12:42] | gbee: | alakhia: it does, they release weekly packages based on 0.21-fixes, but in a repo that is disabled by default (for shame) |
| [09:12:45] | juski: | ugh how can anybody stand to use MythCenter? |
| [09:13:00] | gbee: | laga_: ^^^ |
| [09:13:14] | alakhia: | juski: which theme do you use? |
| [09:13:36] | juski: | my own :D |
| [09:13:44] | juski: | currently not available anywhere |
| [09:13:58] | alakhia: | well, that's cool |
| [09:14:06] | gbee: | if you aren't using metallurgy, more fool you |
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| [09:14:17] | juski: | don't like grid-based menus :) |
| [09:14:26] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html |
| [09:14:36] | gbee: | juski: that wasn't directed at you :) |
| [09:15:05] | juski: | heh. the only reason I don't like grid menus is the wrapping |
| [09:15:06] | gbee: | hey, can't blame me for trying to raise the profile of that old theme :) |
| [09:15:50] | juski: | they certainly ain't as incomprehensible as *cross* based menus. UGH |
| [09:15:52] | alakhia: | not bad ... i'll see if it sticks |
| [09:16:38] | alakhia: | so i need to find some hidden repository ... backports maybe? |
| [09:17:23] | juski: | meh. losing one 0402 resistor is okay, but a reel of 10 thousand? wah! |
| [09:19:40] | alakhia: | no myth updates in backports so I suppose building is what I'll do |
| [09:20:03] | juski: | you shouldn' |
| [09:20:08] | juski: | gah. shouldn't need to |
| [09:20:29] | alakhia: | why not? it should be fun, right? |
| [09:20:39] | juski: | http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds |
| [09:20:48] | juski: | compiling isn't fun |
| [09:21:10] | juski: | it's not hard either, but if newer packages are available to do what you need... |
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| [09:23:53] | alakhia: | cool ... pulling fixes branch |
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| [09:25:47] | alakhia: | thanks juski and gbee for your help |
| [09:29:09] | alakhia: | i'm now at 0.21 21768 and still get seg faults when entering video # |
| [09:30:06] | alakhia: | let me try upgrading everything |
| [09:37:38] | alakhia: | that doesn't help either ... oh well |
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| [09:54:04] | gbee: | alakhia: if you are up to it, we could use a backtrace to fix it, but it seems very likely that this will be fixed by 0.22 which is due to be released soon |
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| [09:57:30] | gbee: | heh, so KMS for Radeon finally hit a stable kernel just a couple of weeks after I dumped my Radeon based mobo |
| [09:57:38] | gbee: | curses |
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| [10:00:08] | laga_: | still doesn't mean it works ;) |
| [10:02:10] | alakhia: | i can wait for 0.22 gbee ... in fact, i would be happy to test it too |
| [10:02:26] | gbee: | wonder when nvidia will pull out their fingers |
| [10:03:07] | alakhia: | nevouvu (sp?) might help |
| [10:04:36] | juski: | nouveau |
| [10:04:43] | juski: | and no, it won't help |
| [10:05:34] | juski: | at least not yet anyway. they've probably made the best progress of any independent GPU drivers going, but that ain't saying it's ready for primetime |
| [10:06:27] | alakhia: | true ... it will be a while |
| [10:06:52] | alakhia: | but if they keep making good progress, it might force nvidia to do something |
| [10:07:24] | alakhia: | it happened with java and sun, right? |
| [10:07:43] | juski: | java is still awful |
| [10:07:51] | laga_: | juski: why? |
| [10:07:55] | juski: | it just is |
| [10:07:58] | ** laga_ loves java. ** | |
| [10:07:59] | alakhia: | but it's open |
| [10:08:08] | juski: | who cares? it's awful :) |
| [10:08:36] | juski: | and even if nvidia 'open' their drivers, there are no guarantees anybody will be willing or able to fix problems they find |
| [10:09:34] | alakhia: | there are never any guarantees but if it is open, folks can at least look at the code and fix nouveau |
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| [10:09:53] | aphyd: | hi |
| [10:10:04] | aphyd: | I am having a problem with sound |
| [10:10:45] | alakhia: | nvidia will not open source their drivers as long as they can avoid it .. that is for sure |
| [10:10:46] | aphyd: | no matter which setting I put the log says Error opening audio device (output), Port not found. |
| [10:10:48] | aphyd: | output: No such file or directory |
| [10:11:18] | aphyd: | that's why my next card is a Radoen |
| [10:11:39] | juski: | alakhia: there's a lot more at play than just bad attitude |
| [10:11:50] | alakhia: | like? |
| [10:12:00] | juski: | they use a lot of IP under license from other people |
| [10:12:23] | alakhia: | true ... but others got around it by just releasing docs |
| [10:12:34] | juski: | it's not always that simple |
| [10:12:41] | juski: | look how long it's taken ATI to do it |
| [10:12:53] | alakhia: | it never is ... but nvidia is not even trying |
| [10:13:00] | juski: | you don't know that |
| [10:13:08] | alakhia: | true |
| [10:13:09] | juski: | nobody outside nvidia can possibly speculate |
| [10:13:35] | alakhia: | well, i figured if they were doing something about it, they would have said it |
| [10:13:54] | alakhia: | aphyd: can you play sound via mplayer? |
| [10:14:20] | juski: | what would be the point of saying "we're trying to talk the people we buy tech from into letting us open source it, but they're refusing" ? ;-) |
| [10:14:52] | alakhia: | well, what about specs? |
| [10:15:20] | juski: | anyway, who cares about linux – with its 0.2% (if that) market share :-P |
| [10:15:42] | juski: | look at it from a financial perspective. makes even more sense not to bother then |
| [10:16:05] | alakhia: | that number is rising every day |
| [10:16:26] | juski: | personally I don't give a rat's ass if a driver is open or not. if it works |
| [10:16:47] | juski: | but apparently that makes me some kind of cancer & hater of freedom. Whatever |
| [10:16:52] | alakhia: | nvidia makes linux drivers so certainly the 0.2% matters to them |
| [10:17:08] | alakhia: | i consider that view pragmatic |
| [10:17:42] | aphyd: | alakhia: yes it plays with mplayer just fine. Also arecord -D hw:1,0 -f dat | aplay does the trick with tvtime |
| [10:18:04] | aphyd: | actually arecord -D hw:1,0 -f dat | aplay also works for mythtv but isn't supposed to be like this. |
| [10:18:25] | juski: | maybe you don't have an Alsa:Default which IIRC is what mythfrontend defaults to |
| [10:18:47] | juski: | that definition depends on you having a config called Alsa:default |
| [10:18:58] | juski: | which relies on you having set it up yourself |
| [10:19:48] | alakhia: | now that intel and ati both have kms, nvidia might buckle and do it too |
| [10:20:19] | alakhia: | and if they do it, then you are right that it wouldn't matter if the driver is open or not ... until the next feature comes along |
| [10:24:43] | aphyd: | oh I see |
| [10:25:32] | juski: | so whatever your actual alsa device is called – set that to be used as the audio device :) |
| [10:25:51] | aphyd: | where does this Alsa:default definiton go? |
| [10:27:20] | juski: | read all about it in the mythtv wiki |
| [10:27:38] | juski: | it's very confusing & ultimately easier just to make the setting whatever YOUR device is called |
| [10:27:44] | aphyd: | got it :) |
| [10:27:54] | juski: | ducking hate alsa |
| [10:28:07] | aphyd: | it was .asoundrc that was configured for jackd |
| [10:28:29] | aphyd: | ZAMGOSH!!!! I gots it!!! |
| [10:28:37] | aphyd: | w00t |
| [10:28:58] | alakhia: | well, i'm off ... later |
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| [10:29:20] | aphyd: | hey wait, thanks!! |
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| [10:31:04] | aphyd: | I thought I would never have this up and running |
| [10:31:22] | laga_: | juski: okay, java sucks, alsa sucks.. anything you like? :) |
| [10:31:30] | aphyd: | lol |
| [10:31:42] | aphyd: | how does alsa suck? |
| [10:31:48] | aphyd: | it works pretty well |
| [10:32:26] | aphyd: | ok now. ScheduleDirect. How much is that again? |
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| [10:32:39] | aphyd: | because there isn't a free option is there? |
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| [10:33:28] | gbee: | it's so cheap it's as good as free |
| [10:33:32] | juski: | alsa is great when it works, but if you have any problems with it, she can be a bitch |
| [10:33:50] | gbee: | http://www.schedulesdirect.org/ |
| [10:34:03] | juski: | all the stuff the wiki mentions about virtual devices & stuff.. SHUDDER |
| [10:34:15] | aphyd: | mm... |
| [10:34:53] | juski: | aphyd: sometimes the best information comes at a (very affordable) premium |
| [10:35:01] | aphyd: | oh another thing I got all 'unknown' name for all channels. How to fix that? |
| [10:35:21] | juski: | cos you didn't pull a lineup down from schedulesdirect ;) |
| [10:35:58] | juski: | if you're not working from a howto guide, I suggest you find one soon |
| [10:36:13] | juski: | if you're working from a howto guide on some guy's blog, stop using it now |
| [10:36:26] | aphyd: | oh ok |
| [10:36:59] | aphyd: | lol |
| [10:37:37] | aphyd: | I am looking at scheduleDirect |
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| [10:40:25] | rmckee: | hello everyone, all of a sudden I don't appear to be able seek through recordings. Stuffed if I can think of any changes to the system though. Any thoughts... |
| [10:40:29] | juski: | laga_: btw I like the weekends. Kind of living for them at the moment |
| [10:40:44] | juski: | rmckee: ran a database checkup recently? |
| [10:41:13] | rmckee: | no, sounds like something to try |
| [10:42:15] | laga_: | juski: understandable |
| [10:42:17] | juski: | what exactly happens when you try to seek? |
| [10:42:39] | juski: | laga_: I blame having to draw complex cables & being stuck doing it in autocad |
| [10:42:40] | rmckee: | just stepping through a recording, skipping adds |
| [10:42:53] | juski: | I asked what *happens* |
| [10:43:02] | rmckee: | i don't comm flag all the recording |
| [10:43:08] | juski: | with respect to what the time indicator & progress bar does... |
| [10:43:23] | rmckee: | it actually moves to the start mostly |
| [10:43:34] | rmckee: | lemme confirm |
| [10:43:43] | juski: | does the remaining time indicator do anything weird? |
| [10:44:11] | rmckee: | ok |
| [10:44:26] | rmckee: | the time bar comes up and the time does not change |
| [10:44:31] | juski: | a couple of things can cause this. 1. Timezone being different/wrong 2. seektable corruption in the database |
| [10:44:44] | juski: | is this all on one machine? |
| [10:44:54] | rmckee: | yes |
| [10:45:10] | juski: | right. you definitely need to check your database |
| [10:45:26] | rmckee: | ok |
| [10:45:39] | rmckee: | do you have a link to details at hand |
| [10:46:16] | rmckee: | found it i do beleive |
| [10:46:43] | rmckee: | mysqlcheck -r -umythtv -p<password> mythconverg |
| [10:46:53] | juski: | yup |
| [10:47:07] | juski: | there's another one too but that should do a good integrity check |
| [10:47:16] | rmckee: | awesome, would never have though it would be the db |
| [10:47:31] | juski: | don't be surprised if it wants to repair the recordedseek table :) |
| [10:47:49] | rmckee: | i'll look out for it :-) |
| [10:47:51] | juski: | yeah timing information for each recording is stored in the database |
| [10:48:34] | juski: | when commercials are flagged, the timestamps for those are entered in there too. it's great for very accurate seeking ability ;) |
| [10:49:21] | rmckee: | I've also seen something about commflag -all being mentioned |
| [10:49:28] | juski: | after doing that, the seektables for some or all recordings may still be broken but you can fix it with mythcommflag |
| [10:50:02] | rmckee: | ok, well that will give it something to do over night then |
| [10:52:49] | aphyd: | where to buy the damn thing?? |
| [10:55:13] | juski: | https://www.schedulesdirect.org/signup |
| [10:56:55] | gbee: | remember that you don't have to pay or provide payment details for 7 days, you get a week to try it out |
| [10:57:46] | sphery: | SD is the best $20/yr I ever spent! |
| [11:01:46] | juski: | WTF? "Kind of off topic but I think some on this list may have experience with fuppes. " |
| [11:01:56] | juski: | what on EARTH is/are fuppes ? |
| [11:01:58] | AndyCap: | I want SD too. |
| [11:02:47] | juski: | ah http://fuppes.ulrich-voelkel.de/ |
| [11:03:15] | AndyCap: | upnp server? |
| [11:03:38] | aphyd: | 'wtf' is frowned upon in this channel |
| [11:03:39] | juski: | aye that's all it is |
| [11:04:14] | AndyCap: | ooh, it's an Entertainment Service. |
| [11:04:26] | AndyCap: | that's what the girl in Vegas said too. |
| [11:04:34] | AndyCap: | ba-da-bum-tish. |
| [11:07:14] | gbee: | frell is not a swear word |
| [11:07:35] | ** gbee confiscates AndyCap's drums ** | |
| [11:09:18] | aphyd: | yawn! today will be all day 9/11 propaganda |
| [11:09:36] | laga_: | WAKE UP, SHEEPLE |
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| [11:14:21] | juski: | who frowns on wtf? |
| [11:14:31] | juski: | it's an acronym. could mean anything |
| [11:15:06] | clever: | aphyd: the theorys about how the govt did 911 where already on tv yesterday |
| [11:15:25] | juski: | I thought this would be a safe haven from all the FUD |
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| [11:18:21] | gbee: | yeah, for today at least, this place stays more on-topic |
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| [11:28:20] | _ben: | am i right in thinking that 0.22 frontends will wake a backend auto-magically? |
| [11:28:54] | _ben: | or rather, has better support |
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| [11:49:27] | aphyd: | clever: which tv? |
| [11:50:39] | clever: | aphyd: discovery channel |
| [11:51:19] | aphyd: | is it possible to connect FIOS TV to mythtv? |
| [11:57:55] | rmckee: | I see Juski has left the building: FYI, the mysqlcheck showed up clean so running commflag to see if that resolves the problems |
| [11:58:47] | aphyd: | I aint recording yet |
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| [12:15:33] | juski: | is it safe to come back in yet? i.e. nobody talking about that no-mark boy band now? |
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| [12:21:18] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: yeah I've already heard several TV/radio articles on 9/11 just since I got up today |
| [12:21:45] | ** laga_ hasn't heard any ** | |
| [12:21:53] | laga_: | anyone seen obama's birth certificate? |
| [12:21:58] | GreyFoxx: | not I |
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| [12:24:04] | gbee: | laga_: going OT for a second, the funny thing about that one is that why does an American president have to be born in the US? It's a non-issue |
| [12:24:28] | laga_: | hey, it prevents schwarzenegger from becoming president :( |
| [12:24:52] | GreyFoxx: | It's a silly requirement |
| [12:25:03] | GreyFoxx: | if the people vote for him, that should be enough |
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| [12:31:28] | aphyd: | anyone running vdpau patch? |
| [12:32:39] | GreyFoxx: | I use VDPAU in trunk. Works great for me |
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| [12:35:35] | tmkt: | americans are silly sometimes... |
| [12:35:47] | tmkt: | like the teachers that didn't display obamas speech |
| [12:36:17] | tmkt: | or all this bashing of the canadian health care system, when the #1 cause for bankruptcy in the US is health related issues |
| [12:38:54] | ** mag0o throws in his AMEN! ** | |
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| [12:41:48] | GreyFoxx: | tmt: go ahead and bash our system, but I can walk into a hospital or go to the dr with no fear of being broke. And if my problem was an emergency I will jump to the front of the line. People arent dying in the halls waiting for beds like some US tv people would have you believe :) |
| [12:42:13] | GreyFoxx: | hell I had a major infection over the last 2 weeks and for 1 week I had to go to the hospital 3 itmes a day for iv |
| [12:42:19] | GreyFoxx: | and it wont cost me a penny |
| [12:42:28] | GreyFoxx: | beyond my taxes of course :) |
| [12:49:52] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [12:50:45] | juski: | <3 our NHS. (almost) free dentistry, paid for by our taxes & NI contributions :) |
| [12:51:09] | gbee: | the outright lies and propaganda coming from the medical insurance companies in the US is unbelievable, just shocking fabrications |
| [12:51:13] | tmkt: | greyfoxx not me.. |
| [12:51:15] | tmkt: | i'm canadian |
| [12:51:16] | juski: | but hey if you think it's ok for somebody to die just cos they have no money... |
| [12:51:35] | tmkt: | and they say we get taxed so bad |
| [12:51:39] | tmkt: | but when i lived in California |
| [12:51:45] | tmkt: | the taxes weren't any different |
| [12:51:59] | gbee: | but the statistics speak for themselves, those in countries with nationalised health care live longer, healthier lives |
| [12:52:23] | tmkt: | i think the US private health care system has something with the co-pay though..i think canada should implement something like it to avoid abuse |
| [12:52:31] | juski: | the shock will come to the US when insurance companies stop paying for treatment of the clinically obese :P |
| [12:52:32] | tmkt: | 15$ a visit |
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| [12:52:45] | jasonbassett: | Hello |
| [12:53:18] | gbee: | the healthcare isn't substandard, in fact my sister came back from working in the US with scare stories about healthcare in the US and she was on a top tier healthcare plan paid for by her employers (she still had to reach into her own pocket) |
| [12:53:18] | jasonbassett: | I have some remote frontends and would like to ascertain whether or not they are active |
| [12:53:52] | juski: | ping ping ping? |
| [12:53:57] | jasonbassett: | I can find out from the database if the frontends are watching live tv but need to know even if they are just on the menu system |
| [12:54:01] | juski: | or active active? |
| [12:54:08] | juski: | use the telnet interface then :) |
| [12:54:14] | jasonbassett: | yeh i am trying that |
| [12:54:17] | juski: | you have to enable it on each frontend |
| [12:54:22] | juski: | then just ask each one its status |
| [12:54:32] | jasonbassett: | how do i use that interface to just check for connection, not actually connect? |
| [12:54:42] | juski: | hmm? |
| [12:54:51] | jasonbassett: | nmapping the frontend does not return any open telnet port, but it is open |
| [12:55:03] | juski: | it's not a telnet port number |
| [12:55:11] | Shadow__X: | gbee: could of just been the plan she was on |
| [12:55:13] | juski: | 6546 IIRC |
| [12:55:15] | jasonbassett: | 6546 is the port set in the front end |
| [12:55:25] | gbee: | the hospital she was in was filthy, they couldn't throw her out fast enough (because insurance companies don't like spending money) and despite the insurance covering most of the cost she was still paying near $1000 – just for a case of bronchitis |
| [12:55:28] | juski: | jasonbassett: you need to restart mythfrontend after enabling it |
| [12:55:39] | jasonbassett: | nmapping the frontend machine does not return any open ports, but i am able to connect to telnet |
| [12:56:08] | Shadow__X: | gbee: thats horrible but also could be due to where she was? |
| [12:56:10] | juski: | so what's the issue exactly? |
| [12:56:37] | jasonbassett: | yeh i have restarted and it does connect to telnet but i do not want to actually connect, just ask if its connectable, then i can assume the frontend is at least on a menu |
| [12:56:46] | juski: | gbee: what was it that asshole from Fox said about the NHS? breeding ground for terrorists? LOL |
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| [12:57:02] | juski: | jasonbassett: you have to go further than that |
| [12:57:07] | tmkt: | and it depends on PPO/HMO/all those other plans that they have |
| [12:57:10] | jasonbassett: | i need a script to take an ip and say "front end on" or "no on" |
| [12:57:27] | juski: | you'd have to ask the frontend its status |
| [12:57:37] | gbee: | Shadow__X: she worked at that time for one of the biggest consultancy firms in the world, getting paid ridiculous amounts of money and with excellent insurance – point being, all the things the US fears about our NHS (and don't happen) are not only occurring in their own system, in some cases it's much worse |
| [12:57:44] | jasonbassett: | ah right, how would i do such a thing |
| [12:57:56] | juski: | query location |
| [12:58:00] | juski: | IIRC ^^ |
| [12:58:08] | jasonbassett: | from the database? |
| [12:58:10] | jasonbassett: | or using telnet |
| [12:58:16] | juski: | telnet |
| [12:58:29] | gbee: | and btw, this is why I suggested earlier that we should keep on topic – I can't listen to this shit without a response |
| [12:58:41] | juski: | same here gbee |
| [12:58:47] | juski: | boils my wee, it does |
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| [12:58:50] | Shadow__X: | gbee: right from my short experience with hospitals is that it changes so much from hospital to hospital its crazy |
| [12:59:17] | Shadow__X: | but yeah it would be nicer if things where better |
| [12:59:27] | Shadow__X: | bbl need to step out |
| [13:01:07] | jasonbassett: | query location does return the menu screen name |
| [13:01:19] | jasonbassett: | but if the frontend is not on, it does not connect to telnet |
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| [13:01:48] | juski: | and from that you can safely assume it's not on. let your script deal with that :P |
| [13:02:00] | jasonbassett: | true :-) |
| [13:02:09] | jasonbassett: | thank you |
| [13:02:15] | jasonbassett: | i will give it a whirl |
| [13:02:18] | juski: | daren't why you even need to know |
| [13:03:24] | jasonbassett: | my dad turns off the main unit with remote if not watching tv, so i need a way to see if i or my bro etc are watching tv and if so the backend machine refuses to turn off |
| [13:05:06] | juski: | technically you could use mythwelcome on every frontend |
| [13:05:17] | juski: | but I've seen mythwelcome & I don't like it |
| [13:05:27] | jasonbassett: | i looked into that and didnt like it either |
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| [13:06:18] | jasonbassett: | i also wanted a very clean startup with as little menus at startup as possible, welcome seemed to get in the way there |
| [13:06:37] | juski: | might have been a better idea to modify mythfrontend to send some kind of signal to the backend to stay awake – or the other way around – tell it it's ok to switch off after an inactivity period |
| [13:07:01] | juski: | not put an intermediary app in the way |
| [13:07:01] | jasonbassett: | i have already got the inactivity period set |
| [13:07:27] | jasonbassett: | but i also wanted to the manual option to turn off, except if being used by others in house |
| [13:08:36] | juski: | I've thought about sending my backend to sleep when I don't need it. And then ditched the idea |
| [13:09:02] | juski: | for the money it'd save it's not worth the effort it'd need |
| [13:09:07] | jasonbassett: | mines in the lounge and can be a bit noisy |
| [13:09:18] | juski: | mine has always lived upstairs :) |
| [13:09:22] | jasonbassett: | plus the folks are complaining about the power its drawing :-( |
| [13:09:34] | juski: | reminds me I need to get some new fans for it |
| [13:10:12] | juski: | off to Bowlers I go. think I'll shop the shifty box shifters too :D |
| [13:12:17] | jasonbassett: | whats Bowlers |
| [13:12:50] | juski: | (allegedly) Europe's biggest computer fair |
| [13:13:01] | juski: | bowlers exhibition centre, manchester |
| [13:13:06] | jasonbassett: | why is it that myth lags a bit when it happens upon a channel that has 'closed' for the night? |
| [13:13:10] | jasonbassett: | ah right |
| [13:13:34] | jasonbassett: | i thought the test card signal would have been the same as a normal broadcase |
| [13:13:49] | juski: | they don't send test cards anymore AFAIK |
| [13:14:00] | jasonbassett: | with the clown :-) |
| [13:14:06] | juski: | they put off-air MHEG things up for off-air channels usually |
| [13:14:30] | jasonbassett: | changing channel if fine unless i go on to say, Film4 when it is not showing anything, its fine if it is actually live |
| [13:14:51] | jasonbassett: | hmm, myth dont seem to like this MHEG thing much |
| [13:14:58] | juski: | which is one of the reasons I don't use live tv |
| [13:15:41] | juski: | everything I watch in mythtv has already been recorded |
| [13:16:19] | juski: | the idea of being able to rewind mind-numbing time-filling television doesn't appeal ;) |
| [13:16:29] | jasonbassett: | yeh im starting to record everything i may want to watch, handy having 2 tuners now too (well 4 but 2 are analoge and have no luck working yet) |
| [13:17:04] | juski: | analogue? you've got 2 years of that left, max |
| [13:17:13] | juski: | erm.. 3 I mean |
| [13:18:11] | juski: | hey I just realised the *one* positive thing about freeview losing a mux when analogue switches off. more channels can be recorded via multirec! |
| [13:18:32] | jasonbassett: | yeh but i could use that to plug other devices in i think |
| [13:18:49] | juski: | no use for games consoles |
| [13:19:00] | juski: | and archiving camcorder/VHS in mythtv is er.. futile |
| [13:19:10] | jasonbassett: | i have a few security cams i could record |
| [13:19:18] | juski: | it's not suited to that either |
| [13:19:28] | jasonbassett: | oh well |
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| [13:20:15] | juski: | reminds me I need to grab a new PATA HDD for my CCTV DVR too |
| [13:20:44] | jasonbassett: | i wonder if there is a network enabled 'digital aerial' so i can have the backend in the garage and some distance from the aerial |
| [13:20:52] | jasonbassett: | Zoneminder? |
| [13:21:00] | juski: | yeah the DVB-T HDHomeRun by SiliconImage |
| [13:21:14] | juski: | derr.. SiliconDust.. or something |
| [13:21:25] | juski: | jasonbassett: no it's a *proper& CCTV DVR |
| [13:21:47] | jasonbassett: | ah right yeh |
| [13:23:10] | juski: | hmm for that to work I need to get the software again |
| [13:25:51] | juski: | least I'm in the right place for that :) |
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| [13:35:59] | aphyd: | awsowe, I just rewind by mistake |
| [13:36:06] | aphyd: | it's so smooth |
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| [13:43:05] | aphyd: | they need to install mythtv in hospitals! |
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| [13:47:59] | jasonbassett: | thats a good point |
| [13:48:09] | jasonbassett: | and schools |
| [13:48:38] | jasonbassett: | my local school has one tuner to record from and they still share dvd/vcrs |
| [13:49:31] | jasonbassett: | I used to work there and was pushing this stuff but they did not want any of it, preferred to may extortionate fees to RM etc to have less functionality :-( |
| [13:50:33] | aphyd: | ppl are retarded srsly |
| [13:51:31] | juski: | mythtv will never have a place in our hospitals as long as there's PATIENTLINE |
| [13:51:47] | jasonbassett: | whats PATIENTLINE |
| [13:52:04] | juski: | yes that's right, fuzzy 7" 'colour' LCD screens at every bedside which only costs £5 a day to watch TV |
| [13:52:29] | juski: | probably what causes MRSA outbreaks |
| [13:53:15] | juski: | oh gawd. http://www.patientline.co.uk/ |
| [13:54:00] | aphyd: | ROFLMAO!!! |
| [13:54:25] | juski: | aphyd: just about every hosp. in the UK has that |
| [13:54:31] | jasonbassett: | geez, thats crying out for a myth/ltsp/asterisk mashup |
| [13:54:53] | juski: | jasonbassett: put in a tender |
| [13:55:03] | jasonbassett: | i dont play golf |
| [13:55:32] | jasonbassett: | which seems to be the qualifying qualification for getting tenders nowadays :-) |
| [13:55:43] | juski: | I don't either. nor do I do wine & cheese evenings. which is how I came not to join the IEEE |
| [13:55:53] | jasonbassett: | hehe |
| [13:56:02] | sphery: | juski: That must be what Investor's Business Daily meant when they said that if Stephen Hawking were a British citizen under British healthcare, he'd be dead |
| [13:56:27] | ** gbee chuckles ** | |
| [13:56:30] | juski: | he's not a british citizen? |
| [13:56:34] | sphery: | He is. |
| [13:56:35] | jasonbassett: | i though he was |
| [13:56:36] | juski: | :-O |
| [13:56:41] | juski: | (kidding) |
| [13:56:43] | sphery: | IBD was stupid... |
| [13:56:48] | jasonbassett: | ah |
| [13:57:00] | juski: | they assume that cos his synth voice has an american accent? ROFL |
| [13:57:43] | sphery: | don't have the original article, but you can read the "corrected" one at http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=333933006516877 (note how it says the original "implied" ... that's a very liberal definition of the word implied) |
| [13:57:47] | gbee: | he's a British citizen who in his own words owes his life to the NHS |
| [13:57:55] | sphery: | yeah |
| [13:57:59] | juski: | way to turn a statement around he |
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| [13:59:24] | juski: | wish I could get fox news today. I want to see Glenn Beck's croc tears again |
| [13:59:28] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I am glad to hear that a rescan fixed your issue, but I must admit that I'm a little mystified as to why it happened in the first place |
| [13:59:28] | gbee: | I forget the exact stats, but isn't the life expectancy in the US something like 10 years less than the UK? That alone should make the critics of the NHS question their standpoint |
| [13:59:38] | jasonbassett: | "I did not say that" |
| [13:59:43] | jasonbassett: | "yes I did" |
| [13:59:43] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I should further admit that mythvideo's scanning code is extraordinarily confusing to me |
| [13:59:56] | gbee: | iamlindoro: maybe worth mentioning it on the list |
| [13:59:59] | iamlindoro: | and that I was very very exhausted last night when I finally found my solution |
| [14:00:02] | gbee: | that a rescan may be required I mean |
| [14:00:44] | juski: | hmm maybe the people who think I murder kittens because I don't mind using closed source drivers are ultra-cons |
| [14:01:13] | juski: | they're like those decepti-cons but more hard-line |
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| [14:01:29] | gbee: | iamlindoro: with the greatest respect to Anduin, the way he has structured mythvideo gives me headaches, I got it pretty straight when I did the port but then he rearranged things and now I won't go near it |
| [14:01:43] | iamlindoro: | gbee, What effect did the rescan have on your existing metadata? |
| [14:01:49] | iamlindoro: | did you lose it all/none/some? |
| [14:02:28] | jasonbassett: | hmm, go out in london, or continue writing this script, that is the question |
| [14:02:33] | gbee: | OOP gone made if you ask me, almost deliberately impenetrable with objects of objects that never needed to be objects in the first place, layered with Cisms and just baffling design choices |
| [14:02:57] | sphery: | gbee: Both the US and UK are dark purple. Lucky Canadians are light purple... ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Life_Expect . . . Factbook.png ) https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the- . . . 102rank.html shows 79.01 for UK and 78.11 for US (if you believe the CIA, that is...) |
| [14:03:01] | gbee: | iamlindoro: seems to have kept all the remote stuff, I didn't have metadata on the local since it's just my 'test samples' directory |
| [14:03:44] | iamlindoro: | gbee, yes, that's rather what I suspected, and good news |
| [14:03:44] | jasonbassett: | cool, it appears to work, needed to use 'expect' to pass stuff through to telnet in order for it to then quit |
| [14:04:08] | iamlindoro: | gbee, okay, let me do a little thinking about it and some quadruple checking of my work from last night and I'll make mention of it somewhere |
| [14:04:27] | sphery: | jasonbassett: if you're a US citizen and you go out in London, you might be able to gain a few days of that extra year of lifespan they have... |
| [14:04:43] | iamlindoro: | I was just very happy finally to have conquered the duplicate issue in a way that hopefully won't be forcibly reverted this time |
| [14:05:01] | gbee: | sphery: interesting, that's quite different from the stats that I saw quoted by a US rebuttal to the healthcare plan critics and also the stats that have appeared over here .... maybe it wasn't life expectancy I'm thinking of, but percentages dying of treatable illness |
| [14:05:12] | GreyFoxx: | ooooooh light pink |
| [14:05:18] | jasonbassett: | in a Englishman, in Ne..the UK |
| [14:05:33] | jasonbassett: | Might see a mates band |
| [14:05:36] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: heh, in RvB, that would be light red... |
| [14:05:51] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, this will teach you not to take pills that don't get prescribed by doctors |
| [14:06:00] | ** iamlindoro wonders what is pink ** | |
| [14:06:07] | gbee: | yeah the Scots really skew the average, they don't live long – high fat diets, lots of alcohol etc |
| [14:06:26] | sphery: | iamlindoro: GreyFoxx is pink (on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Life_Expect . . . Factbook.png ) |
| [14:06:37] | iamlindoro: | Wow, Andorra way up top, surprising since they're Europe's own cigarette shop |
| [14:07:38] | aphyd: | wohoo Andorra!! Visca Catalunya!! |
| [14:08:14] | sphery: | Macau is 84.36yrs... highest in the world. I'll have to move. |
| [14:08:33] | sphery: | hard part is figuring out how to get reborn there... |
| [14:08:49] | jasonbassett: | theres lots on the radio about Alan Turing now |
| [14:09:56] | sphery: | anyone else find it humorous that Greenland is green on that map? (Not for the life-expectancy-related meaning of green, but because it's /Green/land...) |
| [14:10:33] | juski: | I find it more funny that it's not actually green in real life. nor are its people |
| [14:10:58] | aphyd: | do they got mythtv? |
| [14:11:00] | gbee: | sphery: thanks for that, but now I'm going to spend the next few days wondering which statistic it was and how I came to confuse it with life expectancy |
| [14:11:04] | jasonbassett: | my geography is crap, i think it is white with snow? |
| [14:11:16] | jasonbassett: | or is it not that cold |
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| [14:11:23] | juski: | you'd think MYTH tv would be really popular in Greece, but it's not |
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| [14:11:33] | jasonbassett: | Mythos beer |
| [14:11:44] | juski: | gives me the squits, that |
| [14:11:45] | sphery: | gbee: I'm sure someone else has stats that show it the way you saw it... You can prove anything with statistics, and all. |
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| [14:12:27] | juski: | what is it with these 2 guys at work? they stand in the kitchen yabbering on, go deadly silent whenever somebody walks in there |
| [14:12:39] | juski: | they've followed each other around jobs for years.. |
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| [14:13:44] | gbee: | juski: ahh, but it was green a few hundred years ago when the Vikings arrived there – but climate change lobby don't want to acknowledge that things were actually getting colder before the recent reversal |
| [14:13:58] | aphyd: | would it be faster to download the extra themes directly from mythtv than a distro's mirror? |
| [14:14:38] | iamlindoro: | The depends entirely on your distros mirror |
| [14:14:40] | iamlindoro: | probably not |
| [14:14:48] | ** aphyd tries ** | |
| [14:15:01] | sphery: | aphyd: and the themes at mythtv are changing/changing places now |
| [14:15:03] | juski: | make sure to get the right version |
| [14:15:20] | gbee: | jasonbassett: these days Greenland is a white wasteland, spends most of it's time under very deep snow and ice, it's not really habited aside from some small settlements on the coast which live off fishing and imported food stuffs |
| [14:15:28] | sphery: | so anything you download is not likely updatable through myth |
| [14:15:56] | jasonbassett: | Geography fact of the day, thankyou |
| [14:16:16] | jasonbassett: | Would be nice to see the icecaps soon before they disappear |
| [14:16:29] | jasonbassett: | Especially with all these myth boxes running |
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| [14:17:05] | gbee: | another interesting fact is that it's really really a country in it's own right, it's owned by Denmark |
| [14:17:34] | juski: | bah tree huggers |
| [14:17:51] | gbee: | and it was popular with NATO during the cold war for it's strategic significance in the North Atlantic |
| [14:18:19] | ** juski begins to think the 'g' in 'gbee' stands for 'Gazetteer' ;) ** | |
| [14:18:19] | gbee: | by NATO I off course mean our supreme rulers, the United States of America |
| [14:18:22] | ** aphyd hurries ** | |
| [14:18:43] | gbee: | I'm a bot, didn't you know? |
| [14:19:20] | gbee: | right, I'm off out |
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| [14:20:57] | jasonbassett: | bye |
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| [14:35:18] | Greek-Boy: | played around with mythvideo, its really nice... |
| [14:35:31] | Greek-Boy: | apart from the fact that I can not get audio on my mkv 1080 hd content |
| [14:37:11] | juski: | 1080 HDTV doesn't come in mkv as standard. whoops |
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| [14:43:09] | iamlindoro: | My responses to that are a) MythVideo doesn't handle the video playback part, b) Everything plays fine for me in trunk, and c) if it doesn't play fine for you using the forthcoming .22, considering the only legit source of that material is content you own, time to re-encode properly |
| [14:45:53] | Greek-Boy: | iamlindoro: Mplayer plays it just fine out of mythvideo |
| [14:46:14] | iamlindoro: | unless you're using trunk, the comparison is moot |
| [14:46:44] | iamlindoro: | since .21's libavcodec is 20 months old, and your mplayer is most definitely not |
| [14:47:35] | ** Gav8in grumbles about antenna aiming. ** | |
| [14:48:15] | juski: | holy crap. we maybe should've have culled 40% of the workforce here |
| [14:48:28] | juski: | things are starting to get a bit crazy |
| [14:49:02] | Gav8in: | oh no |
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| [14:51:52] | juski: | I mean we all like being busy but.. |
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| [14:53:03] | mzb: | ...but not? ;) |
| [14:53:08] | j-rod: | woo! powerstation booting again... |
| [14:54:47] | mzb: | I can't think of any employer (in Australia) that would allow you to chat online (esp. while on paid time) |
| [14:54:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: The first time I booted a Sun E4500 we have here, I thought the thing was fried because it didn't even turn on the CRT until about 5–10 minutes after it was turned on... I couldn't believe the POST was that long... |
| [14:55:04] | mzb: | unless it was part of your job description |
| [14:55:05] | j-rod: | haha, nice |
| [14:55:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: Hehe... what they don't know won't hurt them... (ssh tunels) |
| [14:55:29] | j-rod: | mzb: I work for Red Hat. irc is a major part of daily life here. |
| [14:55:46] | j-rod: | granted, #mythtv channels aren't exactly directly work-related... |
| [14:55:55] | j-rod: | but #fedora-* here on freenode are |
| [14:56:27] | ** mzb notes the names of ppl not to employ when he becomes rich and famous ;) ** | |
| [14:57:04] | mzb: | (positive thinking and all that ;) |
| [14:57:07] | ** J-e-f-f-A crosses mzb off of his 'friends' list... ;-) j/k ** | |
| [14:57:18] | j-rod: | J-e-f-f-A: half the problem with this thing seems to be it didn't like running through a dvi->vga adapter... I think it wasn't detecting the display correctly, and was then trying to output via serial console only |
| [14:57:26] | j-rod: | and then trying to boot a horked rawhide kernel |
| [14:58:17] | j-rod: | make that, dvi->vga adapter -> wonky kvm |
| [14:58:26] | j-rod: | now its directly dvi'd into the monitors |
| [14:58:38] | juski: | mzb: time spent on IRC isn't necessarily time spent being unproductive ;) |
| [14:58:58] | juski: | also, people can spend all day 'working' yet produce nothing at all |
| [14:59:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: hehe... this E4500 only has the funky sun (HDA-13?) video connector. ;-) |
| [14:59:10] | j-rod: | 13W3 |
| [14:59:13] | ** mzb promises J-e-f-f-A that his Chief Executive Officer position is secure, and that _his_ internet access will be unrestricted (and quite possibly unmonitered!) ** | |
| [14:59:29] | ** J-e-f-f-A puts mzb back on his friends list. ;-) ** | |
| [14:59:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | j-rod: Yeah, that's it... (brain fart!) |
| [15:01:29] | ** J-e-f-f-A cheers as his employer will have an electronics recycling dumpster here next week... time to get rid of those old CRT monitors and printers without having to pay $10-$20 each for them... ;-) ** | |
| [15:01:49] | mzb: | juski, a previous employer's opinion: "If you are doing something that I'm not paying you for, you stealing from me" |
| [15:01:54] | juski: | heh |
| [15:01:58] | juski: | narrow-minded |
| [15:02:10] | mzb: | s/you're |
| [15:02:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | mzb: It's "Research". ;-) |
| [15:02:16] | mzb: | uhuh |
| [15:02:29] | juski: | everywhere I've worked for has had the attitude of not caring as long as everything gets done |
| [15:02:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ ditto. |
| [15:02:57] | mzb: | amazing work ethic |
| [15:03:26] | juski: | for all we moan about working here we have it pretty easy a lot of the time |
| [15:03:42] | mzb: | sounds like it |
| [15:03:45] | mzb: | and yet ... |
| [15:04:06] | mzb: | we have a higher life expectancy! ... go figure!!! |
| [15:04:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | juski: yeah, my 'new' job (2 years now) is 1000x better than my old job... They were slavedrivers there... Always set us up to fail so they could beat on us at review time and say "you didn't meet your goals we set for you!", when they were the ones that made it impossible to acheive them... |
| [15:04:56] | ** mzb wonders if anyone will notice that he's not gainfully employed ;) ** | |
| [15:05:00] | juski: | yeah my last employers were like that |
| [15:05:18] | juski: | none more so than Sun |
| [15:05:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah buggers... stuipid winblows update on my work laptop... Back in a few... :-( |
| [15:06:24] | mzb: | and there's MS stealing from your employer! ;) |
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| [15:07:31] | ** j-rod rather likes his employer ** | |
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| [15:08:06] | mzb: | you're all very fortunate |
| [15:08:10] | juski: | celestica were ok when I was on the new product introductions team. all kinds of business trips :) |
| [15:08:26] | juski: | they dumped that dept & I ended up being an engineer on the shop floor :-\ |
| [15:08:42] | mzb: | oxymoron? |
| [15:08:48] | juski: | I kinda knew the end was coming when they ditched the NPI team |
| [15:08:52] | mzb: | *cackle* |
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| [15:09:10] | laga_: | heh |
| [15:09:15] | juski: | mzb: firefighting, ensuring production gear kept running despite letting retards loose on the computers |
| [15:09:48] | mzb: | oh ... an usher? |
| [15:09:52] | juski: | complained to a line manager once that somebody had formatted all the machines one weekend. he shrugged & asked me why a dog licks its own balls. BECAUSE IT CAN |
| [15:10:17] | GreyFoxx: | My employer is ok, and in some ways pretty cool. I'm just bored as well and find it hard to be interested in most of the work I get asked to do |
| [15:10:31] | juski: | an usher? |
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| [15:10:55] | juski: | this is all pretty rich coming from somebody who just admitted they don't have a job :P |
| [15:11:05] | mzb: | similar job description |
| [15:11:24] | mzb: | I'm not attacking you juski, don't make it personal |
| [15:11:25] | juski: | well there's engineering, then there's engineering. I know that ;) |
| [15:11:43] | juski: | it wasn't *real* engineer work put it that way. make no mistake |
| [15:11:51] | mzb: | ah |
| [15:12:05] | juski: | apparently without a degree you can't even be *called* an engineer officially |
| [15:12:20] | juski: | least not in electromoronics |
| [15:12:21] | mzb: | it was "we've got no where else to put you, so we'll put you here" ... right? |
| [15:12:37] | juski: | pretty much. the stuff I was hired for went sideways |
| [15:13:12] | juski: | found a great niche for a while helping turn prototype test gear & procedures into production processes though |
| [15:13:55] | juski: | once that was over – i.e. they got rid of the people smoothing over the introduction of new product processes into the factory – we had an idea there wasn't any new business coming in |
| [15:13:57] | mzb: | shame. Still, you all live in locations with lots of opportunity, so I guess you can pick and choose. |
| [15:14:18] | juski: | up to a point we can. it's all still in clusters in the UK |
| [15:14:39] | juski: | so if you have a specialisation in XYZ you're tied to wherever there's call for that |
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| [15:15:13] | juski: | which is why a lot of the best IT jobs in the UK are in the hole they call Berkshire |
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| [15:15:51] | mzb: | higher concentration of power stations and data centres? |
| [15:16:04] | juski: | seemingly so |
| [15:16:47] | juski: | linux etc folks are predominantly based in the south east UK AFAICT |
| [15:17:09] | _ben: | well who wants to be a northerner? :p |
| [15:17:15] | jduggan: | lul |
| [15:17:17] | jduggan: | : |
| [15:17:18] | jduggan: | P |
| [15:17:45] | juski: | tired of manchester sapping my soul. I wanna go back up real north |
| [15:18:02] | juski: | I'll even take a salary cut to do it |
| [15:18:13] | juski: | don't think the last bit is a matter of choice though |
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| [15:18:24] | wombo_: | my company has a software dev group in the UK; but its located on the equivelant of the australias tasmania |
| [15:18:25] | mzb: | oh dear ... another "south of the border" issue |
| [15:18:40] | wombo_: | I will give you one guess where? |
| [15:18:52] | juski: | scotland? :P |
| [15:18:56] | ** mzb pushes wombo_ onto the Isle of Man ** | |
| [15:19:00] | _ben: | isle of man |
| [15:19:01] | wombo_: | lol |
| [15:19:06] | wombo_: | Isle of wight |
| [15:19:12] | wombo_: | close |
| [15:19:21] | mzb: | ah well .. you miss the racing as well ;) |
| [15:19:33] | wombo_: | but we get the boats |
| [15:19:41] | juski: | ah where the Wicker Man is less a work of fiction, more documentary :P |
| [15:19:57] | wombo_: | ? |
| [15:20:06] | juski: | look it up on IMDB |
| [15:20:27] | mzb: | ps wombo_: found a great video clip for you mainlanders today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DbW9PmpCH4 |
| [15:20:55] | mzb: | pps: we don't belong to Australia ;) |
| [15:22:37] | juski: | anyway, my desktop machine is only a duron 900 with 256MB RAM. I could just be waiting for it to do stuff :P |
| [15:22:39] | wombo_: | mzb: and aus are having trouble making an add. They should give that guy the 20mil |
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| [15:23:06] | juski: | I'm er.. compiling. Yes that's right |
| [15:23:11] | juski: | :P# |
| [15:24:53] | laga_: | juski: 256MB? rotfl |
| [15:25:58] | juski: | fast enough for autocad LT 5. that's about all though |
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| [15:26:51] | juski: | oo I tell a lie. Autocad LT 200i |
| [15:26:55] | juski: | *2000i |
| [15:27:45] | ** mzb waits for his brain to process 260 seconds of Targa video, and for his stomach to hand 1/2 kg of cheese ** | |
| [15:27:57] | mzb: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxARf74Refg |
| [15:28:33] | mzb: | and now time to go back to watching LOTR1 ;) |
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| [15:30:09] | juski: | and now, hometime :) |
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| [15:32:14] | _ben: | mmm, lucky |
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| [15:35:02] | wagnerrp: | half a pound of cheese? i think you should be more worried about your bowels |
| [15:35:16] | wagnerrp: | that stuff isnt coming out any time soon |
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| [15:35:31] | wagnerrp: | erm... over a pound, even worse |
| [15:37:37] | aphyd: | anybody seen a psp? It splits a video into 5 min and 10 min segments with a screenshots so it makes sort of a coverflow out of the movie. Then when you are browsing the 'chapters' the thumbnails would play. Does mythtv have this? |
| [15:38:04] | aphyd: | I think iPhone implements something similar. |
| [15:38:07] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [15:39:02] | aphyd: | :( |
| [15:39:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtv cannot handle most forms of 'chapters' either |
| [15:39:40] | aphyd: | so navigation is still the old fashioned way? |
| [15:40:13] | wagnerrp: | the only things it recognizes is skiplists from commercial scans, and dvd chapters from a full dvd file system in mythvideo |
| [15:42:58] | aphyd: | no, I mean just segment any video, show into either 5 or 10 min with thumbnails of each part. |
| [15:43:46] | aphyd: | I'll make a video of the psp capabilities. |
| [15:43:53] | GreyFoxx: | no, myth has no concept of "chapters" which is basically what you are describing" outside of dvd's |
| [15:44:10] | GreyFoxx: | there is nothing like it in there nor has anyone expressed interest in it |
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| [15:44:56] | aphyd: | well I am clearly expressing interest |
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| [15:45:52] | wagnerrp: | in trac, that is called a FRWOP |
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| [15:46:26] | wagnerrp: | 'feature request without patch' |
| [15:46:37] | iamlindoro: | aphyd: What greyfoxx means is nobody who can write the code has expressed an interest |
| [15:48:12] | wagnerrp: | to get things going in mythtv, you generally have to write something yourself, or convince someone who could write something that they want this ability |
| [15:48:23] | GreyFoxx: | and this is the first time I've even heard anyone request such a feature :) |
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| [15:49:32] | wagnerrp: | although on a similar note, with mythtv lacking any real form of chapters besides those provided by libdvdnav |
| [15:49:47] | aphyd: | well, check it out on an iPhone or PSP |
| [15:49:52] | wagnerrp: | what would i shove into recordedmarkup/videomarkup to simulate this |
| [15:50:18] | wagnerrp: | MARK_BOOKMARK, MARK_SCENE_CHANGE, or a MARK_COMM_START followed by a MARK_COMM_END |
| [15:52:16] | GreyFoxx: | depenmds on if you want to skip between during playback, or just pick the chapter and start there like a bookmark |
| [15:52:39] | wagnerrp: | skip between |
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| [15:53:06] | wagnerrp: | is scene_change just some internal identifier used by the commflagger? |
| [15:53:16] | GreyFoxx: | I think so |
| [15:53:44] | iamlindoro: | It would be wiser to hook into AVChapter |
| [15:54:01] | iamlindoro: | libav* provides chapter handling for all formats with a concept of such |
| [15:54:15] | iamlindoro: | so by adding that in, we get support for all the formats without relying on the DB |
| [15:54:51] | _ben: | is mythwelcome what i should be looking to use if i have a back/front end on the same machine and want to shut it down when idle to conserve power? |
| [15:55:34] | laga_: | _ben: yes |
| [15:55:44] | _ben: | okay, cool |
| [15:55:59] | sphery: | heh, don't iphone and psp do that just because it's the easy way to stream content of unknown length using UPnP? |
| [15:57:39] | wagnerrp: | aphyd: thinking a bit about that.... that would take an absolutely monsterous amount of CPU to pull off |
| [15:58:51] | aphyd: | mm... the psp has 333Mhz and 32MB of ram |
| [15:58:56] | wagnerrp: | i mean youre wanting half a dozen or so simultaneously decodes and previews |
| [15:59:13] | aphyd: | also becoming standard on youtube and flash videos. |
| [15:59:39] | wagnerrp: | static images, or video previews? |
| [15:59:40] | aphyd: | let me upload how it looks on the psp. |
| [16:00:00] | wagnerrp: | youtube is easy, they can just pre-can previews |
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| [16:00:24] | sphery: | what? you can't do a wall of HDTV videos using a 333MHz processor? |
| [16:00:47] | j-rod: | haha, turns out I never set an email account for my trac account |
| [16:00:53] | wagnerrp: | sphery: will the PSP even play hdvt? without having someone recompress it to a smaller size? |
| [16:01:00] | sphery: | oh, wait, youtube and psp stuff is probably only about 16x9 pixels... |
| [16:01:03] | j-rod: | so I never got mail on things there I should have... |
| [16:01:04] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [16:01:11] | aphyd: | ok so there are images on the left and the right and only the one focus is playing not the next or previous. |
| [16:01:11] | aphyd: | that would be crazy. |
| [16:01:12] | sid3windr: | that's HD youtube, sphery |
| [16:01:19] | sid3windr: | otherwise it's 4x3 pixels |
| [16:01:20] | ** j-rod all set now, found the ppc compile bug was fixed ~3 weeks ago ** | |
| [16:01:20] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [16:01:27] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:01:32] | aphyd: | but it looks pretty nifty. |
| [16:01:38] | j-rod: | seems I was assigned a ticket about 9 months ago w/o realizing it too |
| [16:02:14] | aphyd: | the unfocused images are static |
| [16:02:43] | wagnerrp: | once the video preview widget gets added for recordings, it should be fairly simple to copy that into mythvideo, right? |
| [16:02:49] | iamlindoro: | Yep! |
| [16:02:57] | ** iamlindoro intends to do that on the day it's available :) ** | |
| [16:03:03] | iamlindoro: | for both Trailers and the film |
| [16:03:24] | wagnerrp: | well there you go... halfway there |
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| [16:04:29] | wagnerrp: | at that point, depending on how the preview widget is written, it may be up to the theme to make some kind of filmstrip preview |
| [16:05:02] | iamlindoro: | May not have that level of granularity on day one, but probably will grow to have it |
| [16:05:17] | sphery: | so on day 2? |
| [16:05:22] | iamlindoro: | but yeah, it'd be up to the theme |
| [16:05:43] | iamlindoro: | why I oughtta |
| [16:06:45] | iamlindoro: | Today... today we fix the PBB fanart/coverart hunt |
| [16:06:49] | aphyd: | oh yeah, keyword ---> filmstrip |
| [16:09:30] | _ben: | So let me see if I've understood this correctly – with mythwelcome – i don't want to start mythfrontend automagically anymore – i need to start mythwelcome instead? |
| [16:09:38] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [16:09:51] | wagnerrp: | then when youre done using the frontend, you exit back out to mythwelcome |
| [16:10:01] | wagnerrp: | and that allows the backend to shutdown on its own |
| [16:10:02] | _ben: | OK, makes sense |
| [16:10:22] | _ben: | now what about if the backend is off and i want to watch tv via another frontend? |
| [16:10:35] | wagnerrp: | that way, it can tell whether the machine is being actively used or not |
| [16:10:52] | wagnerrp: | if you want to watch via another frontend, it will try to wake up the remote BE using WOL |
| [16:11:11] | _ben: | OK, grand |
| [16:11:15] | _ben: | busy weekend ahead then |
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| [16:39:58] | wagnerrp: | 2TB external hitachi on newegg for $175 |
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| [16:40:43] | wagnerrp: | its not THAT boring a deal is it? |
| [16:40:57] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [16:41:00] | iamlindoro: | it's a good deal |
| [16:41:14] | sphery: | woah... 2TB for $175? |
| [16:41:27] | sphery: | If only I'd get a free set of ginsu knives with the purchase... |
| [16:41:31] | wagnerrp: | apparently newegg has some 10% off code on all hard drives |
| [16:41:45] | sphery: | yeah, 10% off or $10 (whichever is smaller) |
| [16:41:51] | wagnerrp: | oh, only $10 |
| [16:41:56] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:41:57] | wagnerrp: | well then i guess its $185 |
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| [16:43:25] | wagnerrp: | was it a seagate they had the other week for $180? |
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| [16:47:40] | iamlindoro: | When will myth support active shutter fullHD fellatiotron 3D? |
| [16:47:43] | iamlindoro: | Will it make .22? |
| [16:48:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | ooh! ;-) |
| [16:48:29] | iamlindoro: | http://www.engadgethd.com/photos/panasonic-fu . . . 009/2274355/ |
| [16:49:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | ick. Shutter glasses... :-( |
| [16:49:47] | ** sphery throws all the worlds shutter glasses on the great framegrabber bonfire ** | |
| [16:49:49] | meshe: | heh, they are suprisingly much better now that they can run them at 120Hz |
| [16:49:49] | iamlindoro: | They don't seem *too* odious, as glasses go |
| [16:49:58] | iamlindoro: | better than anaglyph, that's for damn sure |
| [16:50:22] | sphery: | until the little IR signal gets block/timing gets off |
| [16:50:24] | iamlindoro: | I don't anticipate us seeing 3D that doesn't require accoutrements for a very long time |
| [16:50:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | I think I'll wait for the laser TVs with polarized light – like they do with 3D theaters now... |
| [16:50:40] | meshe: | iamlindoro: other than the fact that they are ugly |
| [16:50:47] | GreyFoxx: | Eventually we will all be wearing contacts that provide enhanced reality services, automatic sunshading, colour changing, and tons of other stuff, all while monitoring our blood sugar and cholesterol :) |
| [16:50:49] | iamlindoro: | sphery: "Doc, it hurts when I do that." "Don't do that!" |
| [16:50:49] | sphery: | passive accoutrements are fine... active are fraught with failure |
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| [16:51:00] | sphery: | like you can control it |
| [16:51:03] | GreyFoxx: | maybe even have built in 10 megapixel cameras |
| [16:51:06] | sphery: | it's the tech |
| [16:51:06] | gbee: | I'm amazed they think that people will bother to wear glasses every time they want to watch a bit of TV |
| [16:51:09] | iamlindoro: | meshe: I would expect a variety of third party ones upon release |
| [16:51:35] | sphery: | gbee: and some people would have to wear glasses on top of their other glasses :) |
| [16:51:40] | gbee: | and what are you supposed to do, keep a pile of glasses handy for when you have family/friends around? |
| [16:51:55] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure that's what they hope :) |
| [16:52:07] | sphery: | of course there will be a standard, so your friends will just bring their own. |
| [16:52:16] | meshe: | here are the nvidia ones, they look much nicer |
| [16:52:18] | meshe: | http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_ . . . 98108,00.jpg |
| [16:52:22] | sphery: | oh, wait... This isn't that dream world I live it. |
| [16:52:23] | sphery: | in |
| [16:52:24] | gbee: | wear glasses while doing the ironing (because you also like to watch tv while doing it?) |
| [16:52:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | I had a set of 3d shutter glasses on my Amiga 16 or so years ago... |
| [16:52:31] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: laser projectors? |
| [16:53:00] | wagnerrp: | i thought they just used a pair of the standard 3-chip DLPs |
| [16:53:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: There are laser rear-projection TVs on the market now that are 3d capable — but something like $6000... |
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| [16:53:42] | gbee: | I'll lay money that this 3D fad crashes and burns once consumers get to try it first hand and realise just how silly it is |
| [16:53:43] | wagnerrp: | well anyway, the laser isnt doing anything 3D that a normal bulb cant |
| [16:53:47] | meshe: | supposedly the discovery of the green laser will bring that cost waaaay down |
| [16:54:27] | sphery: | interesting, though, that's a Blu-Ray player as the spec for Blu-Ray 3D isn't even finished (and basically just says, "all 3D Blu-Ray players must support 2D Blu-Ray discs and all 3D discs must contain a 2D version for 2D players" |
| [16:54:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: here's a youtube video of a laser TV demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DS6wsJRGqnQ |
| [16:54:50] | sphery: | they haven't even decided how it's supposed to be represented |
| [16:55:24] | meshe: | it can't be that hard, to store both on the disk, it's just data |
| [16:55:56] | sphery: | yeah, but there's no standard specifying how it's stored, yet |
| [16:56:09] | wagnerrp: | fricken lasers.... |
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| [16:56:15] | sphery: | so if <everybody + dog> comes out with a 3d player, they're all incompatible |
| [16:56:17] | wagnerrp: | so how is this different than a 3-chip DLP? |
| [16:56:30] | meshe: | you think they're going to change the blu-ray storage format for 3D? |
| [16:56:37] | wagnerrp: | wait... WTF? |
| [16:57:04] | wagnerrp: | 'lasers can deliver the images to tv screens faster than the lamps in projection tvs' |
| [16:57:08] | sphery: | no, I'm saying that the 3D format that will be standard for Blu-Ray isn't defined |
| [16:57:44] | sphery: | Here is your technical specs, so far: http://press-releases.techwhack.com/40606-blu . . . -association |
| [16:57:46] | wagnerrp: | so apparently they have managed to exceed liminal limits |
| [16:58:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yeah, that's a little strange... They seem to have gotten that a little skewed. |
| [16:58:10] | sphery: | that does /not/ say anything about CODEC or anything |
| [16:58:36] | wagnerrp: | stupid tv reporters, physics are for people with a basic understanding of science |
| [16:58:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: But perhaps what they're referring to is single-chip dlps with color wheels... vs laser. |
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| [17:00:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Because I've seen the newer DLPs with LED light sources, and don't see any rainbow effect there, since there's little or no 'dark' time between the colors like a single-chip color-wheel DLP that has to blank the display while the color wheel moves between colors... |
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| [17:01:28] | wagnerrp: | they didnt explain how the 'lasers' worked |
| [17:01:52] | wagnerrp: | does it get mirrored off a DLP chip? or do they just have a scanner, and its a raster display? |
| [17:02:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: It would seem they're using them as a high-brightness light source of each color, presumably off a DLP chip, although that's just an assumption on my part. |
| [17:02:52] | ** J-e-f-f-A would prefer LCoS chips... ;-) ** | |
| [17:03:21] | wagnerrp: | LCoS has poor contrast ratio |
| [17:03:23] | meshe: | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/07/28/12392 . . . ser?from=rss |
| [17:03:33] | gbee: | anyone know of an easy way to compare the content of two tables, or the records contained in those tables? considering that the output from mysql to a terminal is wrapped it's difficult at best to do it manually |
| [17:04:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: eh? I think you're thinking of regular LCD – LCoS is reflective like DLP and has an incredible contrast ratio. |
| [17:04:34] | mag0o: | hmm, lirc on svn, it still use ~/.mythtv/lircrc ? |
| [17:04:40] | wagnerrp: | its reflective, and it still relies on a material to shift between reflective and not reflective |
| [17:04:49] | wagnerrp: | meaning its contrast ratio is going to be limited to that of the material |
| [17:05:04] | wagnerrp: | and not significantly better than traditional LCDs |
| [17:05:04] | Shadow__X: | how about the local black led thing |
| [17:05:07] | meshe: | gbee: what are you comparing, that all the rows are in both, or to find rows that are in one and not the others? or tha the content is the same? |
| [17:05:17] | Shadow__X: | where it shuts off led backlighting in certain areas to provide truer blacks |
| [17:06:06] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: doesn't help you much when youre 'backlighting' a little 1" square chip |
| [17:06:32] | Shadow__X: | you got me there |
| [17:06:33] | mag0o: | the logged on user can use the lircd process via irexec (and a script to start mythfrontend) but mythfrontend is unresponsive to keypresses |
| [17:06:38] | mag0o: | irw shows the keypresses |
| [17:06:40] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I read a couple of reviews on the Mitsubishi HC6500 LCoS Projector (1920x1080, 1200 Lumens, 15:000:1 contrast), and one of the reviewers even said it was so good that he replaced his HD CRT projector with it. |
| [17:07:21] | gbee: | meshe: comparing the column values, one inserted by the old code and one inserted by the new, don't have to compare more than two rows at a time for this but those rows would likely be in different tables |
| [17:07:27] | wagnerrp: | i have a friend with one of the 3-chip LCoS TVs |
| [17:07:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Shadow__X: Yeah, you're talking about the "new" "LED TV"s... which are nothing more than LED backlit LCDs. Granted, the picture is better, but the marketing is highly misleading calling them LED tvs. |
| [17:07:50] | wagnerrp: | it looks great, but i didnt notice anything impressive about the contrast |
| [17:07:51] | gbee: | table B is just a copy of table A, identical schema |
| [17:08:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | mag0o: sounds like mythfrontend was started after lirc was. |
| [17:08:37] | gbee: | and I'd like to do it without a horribly long and complicated query (i.e. referencing every column) |
| [17:08:43] | Shadow__X: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah i agree to consider it an led tv there needs to be an led for each pixel corrent |
| [17:08:46] | Shadow__X: | ? |
| [17:08:48] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, that 15000:1 is complete crap |
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| [17:09:04] | wagnerrp: | its using a dynamic iris to vary the output of the lamp |
| [17:09:06] | meshe: | select table1.primary_key, if(md5(table1.col1) = md5(table2.col1), "Match", "doesn't match") as match from table1 join table2 using (primary_key); |
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| [17:09:18] | wagnerrp: | no difference from the dynamic contrast ratio on LCD tvs |
| [17:09:18] | mag0o: | yes J-e-f-f-A, should mythfrontend start before lirc? |
| [17:09:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | mag0o: either that, or you don't have the keys mapped properly in your ~mythtv/.lircrc file |
| [17:09:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | mag0o: No, it should start after. |
| [17:09:45] | mag0o: | ok, mythfrontend is starting after lircd. i'll verify my keys again |
| [17:10:06] | meshe: | gbee: add columns in the md5 calls to check a whole row |
| [17:10:20] | gbee: | meshe: ok thanks |
| [17:10:29] | meshe: | md5(concat(table1.col1, table1.col2))... |
| [17:10:53] | meshe: | gbee: no problem |
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| [17:13:21] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: looks like the laser TVs use three separate lasers illuminating a single DMD from different angles |
| [17:13:48] | mishehu: | where are the sharks in the tvs? |
| [17:13:56] | mishehu: | sharks with frickin' laser beams |
| [17:14:15] | wagnerrp: | i think you just jumped over them |
| [17:14:29] | mishehu: | oh, no, those were mutated seabass |
| [17:14:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | mag0o: (oops, just noticed that I had said it backwards at first... ;-) ) Just make sure your key mappings (as you see the names displayed in 'irw') match what you have mapped in your ~mythtv/.lircrc (or ~user/.lircrc if you don't use 'mythtv' as your user name for mythfronend...) ;-) Check permissions on the file too. |
| [17:14:39] | meshe: | just pop on Jaws |
| [17:15:09] | mishehu: | got to set up my boxes soon... got one of those ION boards now, and also got the hauppage 2250 for the backend box... |
| [17:15:41] | mag0o: | :) |
| [17:17:44] | mishehu: | I'm eager to see how the ION performs |
| [17:18:03] | mishehu: | I've not used any of the atom-based systems yet. |
| [17:18:57] | sphery: | so, does anyone happen to know how portable -h (no dereference) is on chown? |
| [17:20:12] | mag0o: | doh – LIRC, Error: Failed to connect to Unix socket '/dev/lircd' |
| [17:20:14] | mag0o: | hehe |
| [17:20:25] | mag0o: | guess that'll explain it every time :) |
| [17:20:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | mag0o: ;-) |
| [17:21:26] | mag0o: | and to tell mythfrontend to use /var/run/lirc/lircd ?? |
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| [17:23:57] | mag0o: | nm |
| [17:25:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | mag0o: I was gonna say... "what?" ;-) |
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| [17:27:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: btw – I often wonder about the longevity of DLP – I mean, they're physical mirrors pivoting... that's mechanical wear... and 1000's of times a second to produce different light levels... |
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| [17:29:31] | wagnerrp: | apparently long enough that youre expected to replace the bulb multiple times before the chip burns out |
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| [17:30:03] | wagnerrp: | and IIRC, its closer to 1000000's of times a second |
| [17:30:09] | clever: | and isnt a LCD panel made out of crystals that twist 1000's of times a second to produce different light levels? |
| [17:30:18] | clever: | by addjusting the polorization of the light |
| [17:30:47] | clever: | i think a CRT would have less wear from intentionaly moving parts |
| [17:30:57] | wagnerrp: | clever: only if the screen is a cheapo 18-bit TV panel with dithering |
| [17:31:01] | wagnerrp: | TN |
| [17:32:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | clever: Yeah, but there's nothing physically touching to wear out in that instance, except that I have seen some really cheap LCDs that apparently over-drove the panel so much that it caused permanent 'burn-in' similar to what would be seen on a CRT or Plasma with a static image (ie: burt phospurs) |
| [17:32:32] | wagnerrp: | anyway, apparently those laser tvs get around the rainbow effect by shifting colors tens of times per frame, as opposed to the 3–4x color wheels are limited to |
| [17:33:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah, exactly – much faster, and thus beyond the capability of even my fast eyes to pick up. ;-) |
| [17:34:25] | wagnerrp: | i guess that lets them produce it cheaper than a normal 3-chip one |
| [17:35:58] | Gav8in: | my lcd burns in |
| [17:36:02] | Gav8in: | all the time; esp on red |
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| [17:36:11] | wagnerrp: | completely different |
| [17:36:14] | Gav8in: | it is |
| [17:36:20] | Gav8in: | and i fix it by just showing white for a few hours |
| [17:36:24] | wagnerrp: | by definition, it is impossible to 'burn in all the time' |
| [17:36:34] | Gav8in: | i've been meaning to add a "make the screen totally white" option to myth somewhere so i can do this more easily |
| [17:36:34] | wagnerrp: | if it is burned in, it is permanent |
| [17:36:39] | Gav8in: | yeah, fair enough. |
| [17:37:05] | clever: | Gav8in: by editing the menu xml you can add a custom menu item to run an external program |
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| [17:37:13] | clever: | which could simply be an image viewer on white.png |
| [17:37:23] | Gav8in: | my lcd regularly acquires a degree of image persistance which i find highly undesirable, like burn in. |
| [17:37:39] | Gav8in: | clever, thanks; i knew it would be something like that, and now you've probably told me enough to do the whole thing! |
| [17:37:41] | wagnerrp: | i have an old LCD (going on 9+ years now) that has a bit of damage from an ill-fated attack by windex |
| [17:37:48] | Gav8in: | eek, windex |
| [17:37:49] | sphery: | funny that recording rule templates came up independently on -users and -dev lists at the same time |
| [17:37:53] | wagnerrp: | one area of the screen will hold a 'ghost' image, for some time after removing it |
| [17:38:07] | Gav8in: | the windex caused that? |
| [17:38:32] | wagnerrp: | it caused about 15–20 dead columns (out of 1280) |
| [17:38:38] | Gav8in: | ugh. |
| [17:38:50] | Gav8in: | my 3 year old dropped my eepc, now it has two dead rows. |
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| [17:38:51] | wagnerrp: | and has caused that effect on a section of the top of the screen where it apparently seeped in |
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| [17:39:09] | Gav8in: | wow, that's sad. |
| [17:39:20] | meshe: | on lcd's it's called image retention instead of burn in and is almost always reversable |
| [17:39:37] | kormoc_: | my 19" dell does that on the entire screen after around 5 to 10 minutes |
| [17:39:40] | wagnerrp: | not really, its an old piece of crap screen |
| [17:39:41] | meshe: | or image sticking |
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| [17:39:53] | mag0o: | yay! im not a tard, i did have the buttons set up correctly, i just forgot what i was doing |
| [17:39:53] | wagnerrp: | i use it as my third monitor |
| [17:40:25] | wagnerrp: | it already had poor color reproduction and poor response time, besides not being able to run at anything other than VGA and SXGA |
| [17:41:09] | wagnerrp: | the 30" Apple IPS screens we have at work have pretty poor image retention |
| [17:41:29] | wagnerrp: | if you close a bright window, to a dark background, you can see the outline for 1–2 minutes |
| [17:42:30] | wagnerrp: | as far as i can tell, its a controller issue |
| [17:42:48] | wagnerrp: | because our 30" HP IPS screens (which probably have the same panel) dont have the same behavior |
| [17:42:53] | mag0o: | man, it looks like im going to have to buy a new tv so these themes work! (wonder if the wifey will buy that excuse) |
| [17:43:01] | clever: | ive found the panel on my c600 laptop will sometimes loose certain bits in the color value |
| [17:43:52] | clever: | it spent several winters unprotected in a -20c attic |
| [17:44:10] | clever: | though i suspect it was damaged to begin with |
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| [17:45:13] | meshe: | i can't buy a new tv until they come up with a 3D ready one that's > 40" but uses less than 500W power |
| [17:46:13] | ** wagnerrp slaps meshe with the 2D reality ** | |
| [17:46:38] | meshe: | it's my husband, he's a 3d junky |
| [17:47:08] | wagnerrp: | lets face it, all the characters on current TV shows are flat anyhow |
| [17:47:48] | meshe: | i pointed out a nice projector from costco the other day for ~$600 that did 1080i and he wasn't interested because it wasn't 3d ready *shrugs* |
| [17:48:09] | wagnerrp: | so... spend $1200 and get two of them |
| [17:48:14] | wagnerrp: | instant 3D capability |
| [17:48:14] | meshe: | haha |
| [17:48:17] | kormoc_: | what's 3d ready? |
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| [17:48:44] | meshe: | capability yes, but the work to get the 3d going on that setup... |
| [17:49:17] | meshe: | 3d ready means it will run at true 120Hz and send a timing signal to the ir emitter for the shutter glasses |
| [17:49:24] | wagnerrp: | of course then you need a couple ~$100 filters, and an equally expensive projection screen |
| [17:49:35] | kormoc: | ahh, yeah, I saw and played with that at pax a little bit |
| [17:49:37] | kormoc: | was... odd... |
| [17:49:46] | sphery: | I heard that life outside my monitor is 3D ready, but I've never actually tested the theory |
| [17:49:51] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: feeling under the weather yet? |
| [17:49:54] | meshe: | lol |
| [17:50:04] | laga_: | ha |
| [17:50:19] | iamlindoro: | oink oink |
| [17:50:21] | wagnerrp: | oink oink.... |
| [17:50:22] | wagnerrp: | bah |
| [17:50:44] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
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| [17:50:58] | meshe: | kormoc: i was in redmond that week and didn't even know about PAX |
| [17:51:39] | kormoc: | meshe: ahh, well, next year you should stop in, it's a *blast* |
| [17:52:23] | meshe: | nice, i'll be in redmond the week before labor day next year too *might* be able to make it |
| [17:53:52] | wagnerrp: | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/209/9/11/ |
| [17:53:56] | wagnerrp: | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/9/11/ |
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| [17:55:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | mag0o: congrats. ;-) |
| [17:55:57] | mag0o: | thanks |
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| [17:57:22] | mag0o: | now if only xset -dpms would actually keep the screen from blanking... |
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| [17:58:07] | sphery: | I didn't realize penny arcade has been going for 1800 years, now... I must be getting old. |
| [17:58:27] | ** iamlindoro looks forward to all the fresh installs of .22 where everyone is finally cluelessly using internal instead of cluelessy using mplayer ** | |
| [17:58:46] | tmkt: | i like internal |
| [17:58:54] | iamlindoro: | So do we |
| [17:58:59] | sphery: | iamlindoro: but they'll /still/ think they're using mplayer! |
| [17:59:09] | iamlindoro: | sphery: haha.. "Myth's built on mplayer, right?" |
| [17:59:15] | sphery: | after all, Myth uses mplayer for its video/recording playback |
| [17:59:20] | sphery: | yep |
| [17:59:25] | tmkt: | just have to figure out what button on my remote == enter key to set bookmarks in the video |
| [17:59:33] | dustybin: | i am going to wipe my database clean and start fresh with .22 |
| [17:59:43] | iamlindoro: | Select, usually (OK, Select, whatever) |
| [18:00:12] | ** mag0o has been cluelessly using Internal :) ** | |
| [18:00:12] | sphery: | the thought of losing my 5+ years of recording history is enough to make me cringe... |
| [18:00:15] | pyrotech: | Hi has anyone ran into a situation where mythtv-setup will not detect a firewire cable box? It works fine in firewire_tester and is stable. I can't seem to get myth to see the box. |
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| [18:00:21] | sphery: | dustybin: why start over?\ |
| [18:00:24] | tmkt: | Hmm...you sure? |
| [18:00:26] | tmkt: | guess i'll try |
| [18:00:28] | tmkt: | again |
| [18:00:34] | dustybin: | sphery: there might be bits what get left behind |
| [18:00:38] | dustybin: | unused data |
| [18:00:43] | mag0o: | dustybin: i just did a full db upgrade from 0.21-fixes yesterday to svn without a hitch |
| [18:00:45] | iamlindoro: | Ah, I can now schedule flashforwards |
| [18:00:48] | iamlindoro: | er flashforward |
| [18:01:04] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I /already/ did |
| [18:01:10] | iamlindoro: | You so smart, sphery |
| [18:01:12] | dustybin: | mag0o: yes im sure it will work, i just like things to be clean |
| [18:01:13] | iamlindoro: | you my hero, sphery |
| [18:01:18] | sphery: | (though if you factor in the time difference, you still did it before me) |
| [18:01:30] | mag0o: | :) |
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| [18:01:56] | sphery: | dustybin: if you really want a spring cleaning, you can do that with a partial restore (after upgrading the DB or before upgrading Myth) |
| [18:02:08] | iamlindoro: | Jesus eff, Apparently I'll be recording 13 hours of Man vs. Wild tomorrow |
| [18:02:16] | sphery: | then you don't lose any important not-re-creatable data, but you clean out the garbage |
| [18:02:18] | ** iamlindoro edits that rule ** | |
| [18:02:53] | kormoc: | iamlindoro: and my scheduler mod of -1 per existing recording would have saved the day automatically! ;) |
| [18:02:55] | sphery: | (though we'll clean the garbage for you eventually--thus the "// Scheduled for removal after 0.22" type comments |
| [18:03:00] | dustybin: | sphery: that sounds good |
| [18:03:25] | dustybin: | i am going to write a nice clear, easy to read howto once .22 gets relased |
| [18:03:26] | sphery: | only garbage we don't clean are unused settings, but they take like a millibyte of storage :) |
| [18:03:53] | iamlindoro: | There, my Saturday is clear again and I can record all those shamwow infomercials I'd been missing |
| [18:04:10] | sphery: | that's one you scheduled before me |
| [18:04:18] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: i thought you didnt watch TV? |
| [18:04:28] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: Wherever would you get that impression? |
| [18:04:30] | sphery: | he just records it |
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| [18:04:40] | sphery: | he's like a TV collector |
| [18:04:47] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: because you are always here :P |
| [18:05:01] | iamlindoro: | always here != always paying attention here |
| [18:05:02] | sphery: | one day, after the machines take over, he'll just sit there and watch the only TV left on earth... |
| [18:05:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | He doesn't watch *Live* TV... ;-) Like *most* of us... ;-) |
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| [18:05:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | I could cancel my Sat subscription and watch just what I have recorded on Myth for the next few months and not repeat a single program... |
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| [18:06:03] | iamlindoro: | going to give Eastwick a try, too, I think |
| [18:06:07] | dustybin: | here is a list of applications what i think should be compiled only: asterisk, mythtv, zoneminder. what other applications do you know of what should really be compiled only? |
| [18:06:18] | mag0o: | man, anyone else notice that google changed their font size? |
| [18:06:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: lirc |
| [18:06:32] | iamlindoro: | There are *no* applications that should be compiled only |
| [18:06:34] | dustybin: | ok |
| [18:06:37] | iamlindoro: | none |
| [18:06:38] | iamlindoro: | 0 |
| [18:06:45] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: man, mythtv packages are terrible in distros |
| [18:06:50] | iamlindoro: | You are wrong |
| [18:06:57] | dustybin: | well, they used to be anyhow |
| [18:07:04] | iamlindoro: | the major myth distros packaging and user helping niceties are phenominal |
| [18:07:20] | dustybin: | mythtv has far too many updates |
| [18:07:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | (by 'compiled only' I'm assuming you mean 'built from source'...) |
| [18:07:40] | dustybin: | yes, svn |
| [18:07:57] | iamlindoro: | major myth packagers all update weekly, *sigh* |
| [18:08:08] | iamlindoro: | So "too many updates" is BS |
| [18:08:16] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: not on debian |
| [18:08:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: And by too many updates, I guess you're not running "-fixes" on your 'production' system(s) then? |
| [18:08:29] | dustybin: | i am |
| [18:08:32] | iamlindoro: | debian doesn't count |
| [18:08:38] | iamlindoro: | since their myth packager is a moron |
| [18:08:39] | dustybin: | im running 21-fixes |
| [18:09:10] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, "what should be compiled from source only" is elitist crap |
| [18:09:13] | ** J-e-f-f-A has rarely updated his 0.21-fixes box – perhaps 2x a month at most. ** | |
| [18:09:20] | Kevin`_ is now known as Kevin` | |
| [18:09:57] | iamlindoro: | 50% of all linux posts are about how linux should be accepted more as a desktop OS, and the other 50% are linux dweebs wanking themselves because they're so much smarter than everyone because they can make gcc run |
| [18:10:01] | iamlindoro: | it's horse pucky |
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| [18:10:10] | dustybin: | asterisk in debian is 1.4, far too old. zoneminder doesnt even exist in debian stable. so i must compile |
| [18:10:22] | dustybin: | and mythtv will be a old version |
| [18:10:23] | iamlindoro: | If you want people to use linux or myth, you make it approachable-- and source aint'... and isn't necessary. |
| [18:10:50] | iamlindoro: | Pew pew, everything comes back on 9/24 |
| [18:10:51] | dustybin: | iamlindoro: ubuntu users might be ok, not debian users |
| [18:11:09] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: debian users don't choose debian to have up to date packages |
| [18:11:25] | dustybin: | aye indeed, those chose for stability |
| [18:11:29] | dustybin: | *they |
| [18:11:33] | mag0o: | true. i was able to update my mythbuntu frontend to svn with the weekly builds package, and also updated my slackware 13 box to svn with slackbuilds |
| [18:11:36] | iamlindoro: | So having up to date pacakges is a useless argument |
| [18:11:49] | iamlindoro: | Don't use debian if you want to use myth |
| [18:11:53] | iamlindoro: | w/ packages |
| [18:12:08] | ** J-e-f-f-A installed debian on his Amiga 500 years ago... man was that a challenge... ** | |
| [18:12:09] | iamlindoro: | if you want packaged myth, be a grownup and use a distro that supplies up to date pacakges |
| [18:12:15] | dustybin: | yes i agree, compile it instead l337 |
| [18:12:21] | iamlindoro: | if you want to use dbian, be a grownup and build it from source and STFU |
| [18:12:36] | iamlindoro: | and no, you are the least "1337" person I have ever met in my whole life |
| [18:12:43] | dustybin: | :( |
| [18:12:56] | laga_: | or get some backports |
| [18:13:04] | dustybin: | laga_: i beg your pardon? |
| [18:13:04] | iamlindoro: | because finding the concept of "1337"ness cool makes you a moron |
| [18:13:09] | laga_: | or backport it yourself |
| [18:13:20] | laga_: | ah, we're talking myth |
| [18:13:25] | dustybin: | ohhh |
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| [18:18:08] | sphery: | kormoc gets a free trip to the UK... no fair. :) |
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| [18:18:28] | kormoc: | I do? |
| [18:18:32] | sphery: | see #mythtv |
| [18:18:57] | sphery: | you and your valuable knowledge... it's so unfair to those of us who have none. |
| [18:19:04] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [18:19:09] | josh_: | <-- |
| [18:19:14] | josh_: | none. |
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| [18:23:45] | ** J-e-f-f-A <-- Some... Mostly 'general' SQL, not that well versed in MySQL directly (yet?!) ;-) ** | |
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| [18:24:34] | andreax: | Ideas, why i got no preview pictures in mythweb? |
| [18:25:09] | andreax: | ehrm of the recorded programs i mean... :D |
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| [18:25:24] | kormoc: | andreax: version? |
| [18:25:57] | andreax: | Last SVN, i tried to recompile it, cause i thought its a bug... but it seems not... |
| [18:26:16] | andreax: | Compiled 10 minutes ago |
| [18:26:37] | sphery: | andreax: no previews of any recordings? |
| [18:26:46] | sphery: | or just those on a remote backend or ??? |
| [18:27:00] | andreax: | No previews at all of not any recording.. |
| [18:27:23] | andreax: | But theyre are on hd i can play them.. |
| [18:27:29] | sphery: | mythweb host is on same or different system from master mythbackend? |
| [18:27:38] | andreax: | On the same.. |
| [18:28:02] | sphery: | recordings on local filesystems or NFS/CIFS mounted from a file server? |
| [18:28:26] | andreax: | On 4 partitions (2 harddiscs) on local filesys |
| [18:28:50] | ** josh_ is trying to figure out why his recordings have gone missing. The metadata is still there, but the file apparently is not. ** | |
| [18:28:56] | andreax: | /mnt/video[1–4] |
| [18:28:59] | xris: | andreax: are you getting previews in the frontend? |
| [18:29:08] | sphery: | then, I think you actually have previews... you just don't see them (meaning I have no idea why that wouldn't work :) |
| [18:29:38] | andreax: | Previews in frontend work fine |
| [18:29:51] | andreax: | Sphery: hehe, yeah same here... :) |
| [18:30:10] | i_is_cat: | hmmm ok im pretty sure its not the power supply on my frontend thats screwing around now.. its powering down when i watch livetv |
| [18:30:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | josh_: An accidental "rm"? |
| [18:30:57] | tmkt: | anyone using miro bridge? looks cool |
| [18:31:15] | i_is_cat: | i can watch livetv sometimes for 10s sometimes for 10min but it eventually makes the screen go black, and the system starts to slow down, can hear the fans and hdd slow to a near stop and eventually it reboots |
| [18:31:24] | josh_: | J-e-f-f-A, While it's always a possibility, I strongly doubt it. |
| [18:31:44] | josh_: | J-e-f-f-A, I'm missing so far about 20 recordings. |
| [18:31:57] | josh_: | out of abotu 100 or so |
| [18:32:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: That really sounds like a bad supply... TTYTT |
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| [18:32:35] | i_is_cat: | its possible.. but the system was up and running all night long without mythfrontend running there were no issues at all |
| [18:33:30] | i_is_cat: | and it was working fine with 0.21-fixes.. really fine actually.. never had any issues with it except the weather status thing but that wasnt a big deal at all |
| [18:33:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: yeah, but that's not a good judge... could be caps going bad, and more prone to failure during the warmer day... |
| [18:34:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: Nothing in myth is going to cause your fans slow down... |
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| [18:34:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: Perhaps your heatsink isn't contacting the CPU well? (ie: overheating?) |
| [18:34:57] | i_is_cat: | nah i checked the temp several times and it seems fine |
| [18:35:16] | i_is_cat: | i was leaning towards the psu myself but seeing as it ONLY happens when watching livetv.. i'm not sure |
| [18:35:29] | i_is_cat: | even with mythfrontend itself open.. i can do other things with the machine and have no issues |
| [18:35:49] | i_is_cat: | its dying specifically when livetv starts |
| [18:36:02] | i_is_cat: | or very very shortly after |
| [18:36:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | humm... maybe it's that 'anti-LiveTV' ticket that went in recently... (JUST KIDDING – no such ticket!) |
| [18:36:36] | i_is_cat: | well i'm not saying it IS myth for sure.. i'm just saying whats going on.. waiting for it to boot back up so i can grab the log and check it out |
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| [18:37:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: sounds like it could be an interrupt conflict between the video card and the tuner card perhaps. Did you upgrade your kernel at the same time too? |
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| [18:38:42] | i_is_cat: | kernel on the backend is upgraded i dont believe i touched the frontends kernel |
| [18:39:00] | i_is_cat: | the frontend has no tuners or anything its in my coffee table heh and my desktop acts as the backend |
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| [18:39:54] | i_is_cat: | my desktop works fine so far.. i've had the frontend up checkin out the themes and stuff and havent had any issues with it yet.. its only the coffee table frontend thats horribly dying on me |
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| [18:42:05] | i_is_cat: | hmm its still sitting there on the black screen and hasnt rebooted yet.. the third or fourth time it did this i just let it sit and after what felt like an hour but prob more like 15–20min it rebooted, the past two or three times it rebooted pretty quick.. now its back to sitting there.. :S |
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| [18:43:48] | i_is_cat: | the thing acts as a router for my neighbours to get the net too so its not cool that it keeps dying.. but if the logs dont show anything useful i'm gonna try swapping the psu, only reason i havent yet is because i really dont feel like tearing it open again lol :S |
| [18:45:56] | i_is_cat: | oooooooooh i probably should've checked before but i just went over there and checked the psu to see if it was overly hot or anything.. THE FAN STOPPED! so i guess livetv just takes it beyond its heat level which is why its dying *only* on livetv |
| [18:46:07] | i_is_cat: | well.. time to replace |
| [18:48:38] | i_is_cat: | thats actually quite a relief.. i wasnt looking forward to some sort of program error that i had most likely caused myself :S |
| [18:51:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | i_is_cat: See, so it was the power supply after all... ;-) |
| [19:07:21] | i_is_cat: | J-e-f-f-A, ya it sure was.. i had suspicions but the livetv thing threw me off.. |
| [19:07:26] | i_is_cat: | either way its replaced now and booting up |
| [19:09:30] | i_is_cat: | was a 350w replaced with a 420w so i think i should be good |
| [19:10:18] | i_is_cat: | seems quieter too.. the old one had a dying 80mm fan and this one has a young robust 120mm |
| [19:11:39] | josh_: | bigger fan is better |
| [19:11:46] | josh_: | more volume at less velocity |
| [19:11:50] | josh_: | ==quieter |
| [19:11:51] | mag0o: | in 'watch recordings' with svn, the back/left arrow doesn't take you out of the 'watch recordings' screen, is that by design? i have to use my button mapped to Esc |
| [19:11:59] | i_is_cat: | who was it that said selecting livetv doesNT ask you if you wanna go to the current recordings? cuz it just asked me if i want to watch rec1 or rec2 as both tuners are currently recording.. |
| [19:12:35] | i_is_cat: | mag0o, i noticed the same thing im guessing its by design |
| [19:13:13] | i_is_cat: | i cant tell you how many times i only meant to go back one dir and it read too many left arrows and brought me back to the main menu lol i like having to hit esc |
| [19:14:57] | mag0o: | i don't mind it, but the wifey and kids may wonder what i did to it :) |
| [19:16:36] | i_is_cat: | lol i hear you there |
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| [19:27:09] | gbee: | design, matches all other screens |
| [19:27:19] | i_is_cat: | woooo not crashing! :D |
| [19:28:17] | gbee: | and it's the only way it possibly can work now that you can layout things with horizontal menus etc – wouldn't be much good if pressing left exited the screen instead of moving back through the recordings |
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| [19:28:52] | ** gbee opens a shropshire lass ** | |
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| [19:29:20] | sphery: | So, I have a perfect--already working--solution for the people who want the input used to record a program stored in the DB: SELECT title, subtitle, (SELECT cardinputid FROM cardinput ORDER BY RAND() LIMIT 1) AS cardinputid FROM recorded; |
| [19:29:33] | sphery: | It's /just/ as accurate as storing the info in the DB |
| [19:29:36] | sphery: | and it already works |
| [19:30:33] | gbee: | ugh, I hate 'hidden' tracks on CDs, got a 25 minute mp3 now with just 5 minutes of music |
| [19:31:50] | gbee: | my shropshire lass is a blonde in case you were wondering |
| [19:31:50] | sphery: | wonder if the Atlanta installfest will be installing 0.21-fixes or trunk... |
| [19:32:05] | gbee: | http://www.aleontap.co.uk/woods-shropshire-lass |
| [19:33:15] | i_is_cat: | why does the mythweb video section give me an error about not being able to create the video symlink and that i have to create it myself yet when i go to the mythweb/data dir i see a video symlink and its pointed to multiple directories? :S |
| [19:33:48] | mag0o: | atlanta installfest? |
| [19:33:58] | mag0o: | that @ atlanta linuxfest? |
| [19:36:21] | sphery: | i_is_cat: permissions errors or SYMLINKS_IF_OWNER_MATCH (or whatever the apache setting is) |
| [19:36:43] | sphery: | mag0o: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009 . . . /264077.html |
| [19:36:45] | mag0o: | ah, atlanta installfest, the ga tech thing? |
| [19:36:57] | i_is_cat: | it shows it owned to apache apache |
| [19:37:08] | sphery: | then probably the owner match thing |
| [19:37:21] | sphery: | i.e. apache doesn't own the dir it's pointing to |
| [19:37:22] | mag0o: | Ooo, im just an hour south :) |
| [19:37:34] | sphery: | and you're very experienced, now, so you could help :) |
| [19:37:38] | mag0o: | may have to go to that. me and some buds are going to atl linuxfest next weekend |
| [19:37:54] | kormoc: | I liked the fact that the guy wanted devs to show up, but didn't want to tell them anything bout it |
| [19:38:00] | i_is_cat: | no apache doesnt own the dir its pointing to.. but ill see what i can do |
| [19:38:09] | sphery: | I'd go, but 8+ hours of driving each way is a /lot/ of time I could spend on other stuff |
| [19:38:33] | sphery: | (even though I'm in FL and Atlanta is one state up in GA, it's a long drive) |
| [19:38:43] | mag0o: | orlando area? |
| [19:39:03] | sphery: | yeah, pretty much due east of Orlando on the coast |
| [19:39:43] | mag0o: | ah |
| [19:40:25] | mag0o: | good guess, considering i cant get out of my driveway without gps |
| [19:41:31] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:44:36] | mag0o: | maybe i'll convince my 3 buds that want to set up a mythtv box to go with me |
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| [19:50:30] | mag0o: | lag monster got a hold of me |
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| [19:54:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: hey, that's not as accurate!!!! What's wrong with saving the 'displayname' of the recorder in the recorded table? |
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| [19:55:22] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: because the displayname is tied to a cardinputid, which can refer to a different card on each boot unless you explicitly force it not to |
| [19:55:45] | sphery: | since a huge number of users have all identical cards, they don't force the kernel device number ordering, so it's really meaningless |
| [19:56:08] | sphery: | (granted, my query isn't as accurate if you have multiple backends, but I can fix that if you like :) |
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| [19:56:51] | sphery: | basically, the physical identification of the card is only meaningful on a short term, so it's not stored to long-term storage (the database), but to short term (the log file) |
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| [20:01:18] | i_is_cat: | well i tried changing the group of the media dirs and deleted the symlinks when i click on video in mythweb it takes a few seconds then shows me a big list of my videos then i click on it and get the same error msg, so i tried changing the group permissions to rw delete symlinks try again same deal, tried changing ownership of said directories delete symlink try again, same deal.. i dunno wtf? :/ |
| [20:01:23] | i_is_cat: | when i say click on it i mean click on edit for a video |
| [20:02:56] | sphery: | i_is_cat: look for/disable Options SymLinksIfOwnerMatch in your apache config |
| [20:05:27] | i_is_cat: | its not enabled, just followsymlinks and indexes |
| [20:06:23] | sphery: | then look through the mythweb README to see if you have all other requirements satisfied |
| [20:06:44] | i_is_cat: | i am checkin it out as we speak :) |
| [20:07:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Humm... I guess in my case, with IR blasters specific to each input, it's important that the same device is always mapped the same, so it would always be correct for me... |
| [20:08:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | For someone with just analog tuners, it wouldn't matter if 3 analog tuners hopped around every reboot, but with external tuners, it's important to stay 'in sync'... |
| [20:11:21] | i_is_cat: | aha i think it might be this utf-8 setting |
| [20:12:57] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, and the same with digital tuners--it doesn't matter if they hop around if inputs are the same |
| [20:13:12] | sphery: | so really it's not usually valid for the long term, so we don't store it long term |
| [20:16:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I follow what you're saying. Sure makes troubleshooting a pain in the wazoo though... |
| [20:17:48] | sphery: | how would having it in the DB be easier than just having a list that you grep out of the logs? |
| [20:18:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Because the logs on my system roll off after in less than 24 hours. Makes it hard to troublshoot an issue that I didn't discover from 2 days ago... |
| [20:20:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: And I have to figure out what channel/time the 'bad' recording happened, then do a select on the log table to find the matching log entry. Just a hassle. |
| [20:20:10] | sphery: | so set up a cron job that does a grep ': Started recording' /path/to/mythbackend.log >> /path/to/debug_recording_placement.log |
| [20:20:20] | sphery: | won't help for the old ones, but will help for the future |
| [20:20:32] | sphery: | or don't throw away your logs so soon |
| [20:20:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Humm... That could work... humm... |
| [20:21:34] | sphery: | but, IMHO, keeping data that's garbage for a large number of users is worse than throwing away data that would be valid but only for a small number of users |
| [20:21:55] | sphery: | especially since most of the users for whom it's garbage are exactly the ones who wouldn't realize that it's garbage |
| [20:23:03] | sphery: | and it's really not hard to parse the logs--can even do it with a "real-time filter" on the logs that copies part of it to another file using a sed or awk or perl match |
| [20:23:09] | sphery: | (or a true log-filtering app :) |
| [20:23:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Just thinking out load... Perhaps we (mythtv) needs a better way of associating a tuner than just /dev/videox or /dev/dvb/adapterx ? Maybe by the hardware serial number or such on backend startup? ... |
| [20:23:31] | mikasaari: | Which keyboard bindings effect to the Program Guide. I seem to lost my left and right keys in the latest trunk |
| [20:24:31] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: It's been covered-- often, even, recently |
| [20:24:33] | sphery: | mikasaari: Arrow-key accelerators were removed |
| [20:24:43] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: It's a problem with no easy solution, but one we hope to solve |
| [20:24:47] | gbee: | left/right/up/down .... |
| [20:25:23] | mikasaari: | sphery: Ok. So this is temporary thing only in trunk, or have I messed something really bad ? |
| [20:25:25] | sphery: | mikasaari: so if you mean you're not getting the action menu when you hit right when a recording is selected, that's intended |
| [20:25:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I'm not trying to be argumentative... Just trying to figure out a better way of 'working around' how Linux moves stuff around from time-to-time without having to create 'custom' udev rules to keep things where we expect them to be. |
| [20:25:30] | sphery: | permanent |
| [20:25:35] | iamlindoro: | no, it's a "gone and not coming back" thing :) |
| [20:25:38] | sphery: | (unless someone resurrects the old broken way) |
| [20:25:42] | iamlindoro: | NO! |
| [20:25:43] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [20:25:56] | mikasaari: | sphery: When trying to navigate in program guide to the left or right, nothing happens |
| [20:26:07] | mikasaari: | sphery: Up and Down works |
| [20:26:21] | mikasaari: | sphery: And left and right buttons work everywhere else |
| [20:26:38] | mikasaari: | I think I try changing the theme |
| [20:26:39] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, if we had a good way to track it long term and reliably, we would... if you have an approach that works, we would love it |
| [20:27:15] | gbee: | mikasaari: left/right should work, whatever the theme |
| [20:27:18] | sphery: | but by "works" I mean for everyone (or at least /nearly/ everyone) |
| [20:28:47] | mikasaari: | Yep, no effect from theme changing |
| [20:28:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I've got some ideas... Just no idea on specific implementation ATM... :-( I'm thinking along the lines of a quick 'inventory' of all the /dev/video* and /dev/dvb/adapter* devices upon backend startup, and using a lookup of device info to map to myth 'tuners' instead of the 'hardcoded' mapping to the actual /dev devices. Seems logical, but humm... |
| [20:29:13] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A: you are not the only one, I don't think udev is a solution, I really don't, in fact I think it's so far from being the solution that I'm flabbergasted whenever someone suggests it |
| [20:30:44] | i_is_cat: | hmm the utf-8 setting didnt seem to help :/ |
| [20:30:46] | gbee: | would Windows or OSX require you to write rules to map devices to a static location? Of course not, it's simply not user friendly or intuitive |
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| [20:31:03] | sphery: | I'm one who believes that udev is the solution. However, I firmly believe no user should ever touch udev--some config tool should do it for them (either automatically or under user control/naming). |
| [20:31:55] | sphery: | unfortunately, no one is writing those tools (probably because the distros have been burned too many times for buying into <the next big thing> and then having it replaced before they finished all the tools they were making to help users configure it) |
| [20:33:12] | gbee: | of course last time I suggested this to the v4l devs the responses I got were depressing, but not atypical for engineers, they simply don't see things in those terms – user friendly is an alien term |
| [20:33:24] | mikasaari: | So if the left and right buttons are working all over the frontend then they should work in program guide as well ? |
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| [20:34:29] | mikasaari: | mika boots the machine and starts debuggins |
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| [20:35:58] | gbee: | sphery: that's reasonable, udev itself isn't the issue – although it's need to see devices in terms of unique characteristics gets unwieldy, but it's the suggestion that users should be writing rules or scripts instead of this being something that happens seemlessly and automatically without them even knowing |
| [20:36:38] | gbee: | IMHO udev is papering over flaws in the driver model |
| [20:37:30] | gbee: | but I'll let the kernel and driver engineers argue over that, so long as the user experience is good |
| [20:37:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery, gbee – What I'm thinking – is that mythtv-setup can at least poll the card to see what type it is, and often the specific make/model. Can the same functions be used to pull specific info such as the manufacturer code and serial number, then use that info to dynamically map to video devices upon startup? |
| [20:39:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | so that the HD-3000, serial number 12345, is always "Tuner 1", which has been associated with "HD OTA" lineup, etc... |
| [20:39:12] | meshe: | Is there some way to get the pci id of the device at /dev/<some device> ? |
| [20:39:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | Regardless if it's /dev/dvb/adapter0 or /dev/dvb/adapter2, etc... |
| [20:40:02] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A: yes and no, they can retrieve some identifying information so far as I'm aware, but when I suggested to mkrufky, stoth and others that more was provided I got a pretty firm "NO use udev" |
| [20:40:59] | ** J-e-f-f-A hopes he isn't rubbing sperry or the other devs the wrong way – I don't intend to! ** | |
| [20:41:02] | gbee: | since I don't claim to know everything about the driver api, udev etc I decided to leave it alone for now |
| [20:41:28] | mkrufky: | there *might* be a way to get a mac address via dvb_net |
| [20:41:35] | mkrufky: | but i never used it or tried |
| [20:42:01] | iamlindoro: | MAC is apparently of no use |
| [20:42:01] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: no, it's valid discussion... |
| [20:42:14] | iamlindoro: | because I guess many new devices are FF:FF:FF:FF:FF |
| [20:42:30] | mkrufky: | hauppauge devices have real mac addresses, afaik |
| [20:42:33] | gbee: | J-e-f-f-A: I've a long list of jobs I have to do for 0.23, but I feel passionately enough about this that if I finish enough of those I will work on it |
| [20:42:36] | mkrufky: | i dunno about the others |
| [20:42:42] | mkrufky: | pctv dont??? |
| [20:42:50] | mkrufky: | oh, pcHDTV dont? |
| [20:43:13] | iamlindoro: | I think last time we talked about this my conclusion was that the only effective way to do it is through a combination of methods |
| [20:43:17] | gbee: | iamlindoro: we don't have to rely on a single factor, we can create a unique id based on multiple pieces of information |
| [20:43:23] | iamlindoro: | exactly :) |
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| [20:43:41] | iamlindoro: | with a "threshhold" by which we consider it still true |
| [20:43:49] | mkrufky: | i think there is a way to do it thru a combination of methods, but most of those begin to fail the moment usb is involved |
| [20:44:07] | mkrufky: | for instance, people dont move around pci cards because they feel like it |
| [20:44:10] | gbee: | so mac would be useful for that, we just need to ensure a combination that can positively identify even card models from each other |
| [20:44:41] | gbee: | err, identical models |
| [20:44:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | mkrufky: No, but sometimes just adding a new card shifts everything around. Which throws a n00b for a huge loop... |
| [20:45:09] | mkrufky: | at least for hauppauge, the mac address is based on the serial number (or vice versa, i forget) |
| [20:45:30] | ** iamlindoro suggests that we just all buy Hauppauge and call it a day ;) ** | |
| [20:45:51] | mkrufky: | umm, well i certainly didnt say that |
| [20:45:59] | iamlindoro: | ha |
| [20:46:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | As a matter of fact, I recently added a HVR-1250 to my trunk test box, and myself was thrown for a loop when X didn't start... turned out it shifted my video up by 1, and I had to edit xorg.conf.... |
| [20:46:11] | mkrufky: | i never buy hcw cards -- |
| [20:46:15] | mkrufky: | i get them for free :-D |
| [20:46:38] | mkrufky: | umm i guess that doesnt count tho — i get everything for free :-) but i'll stop rubbing that in now |
| [20:47:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | !trout mkrufky "I get everything for free" |
| [20:47:11] | ** MythLogBot slaps mkrufky with a "I get everything for free" trout on behalf of J-e-f-f-A... ** | |
| [20:47:12] | mkrufky: | J-e-f-f-A: why would a capture board move up your graphics board ?!? |
| [20:47:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | mkrufky: It's PCIe |
| [20:47:33] | mkrufky: | wierd |
| [20:47:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | mkrufky: and Integrated PCIe Nvidia 8200 gfx on the motherboard. |
| [20:48:02] | mkrufky: | u know what i DONT get for free??? |
| [20:48:04] | mkrufky: | food. |
| [20:48:11] | mkrufky: | engineers should get free food — always |
| [20:48:22] | mkrufky: | thats the biggest reason why i leave at night |
| [20:48:29] | mkrufky: | if i had free food, id probably stay later |
| [20:48:32] | mkrufky: | (im single) |
| [20:48:33] | iamlindoro: | I get free unlimited soda, but that's as far as it goes |
| [20:48:39] | mkrufky: | yeah me too |
| [20:48:49] | iamlindoro: | Still, convincing these sugar whores to buy decent diet soda is hard |
| [20:49:17] | mkrufky: | drink juice instead... healthier, and tastes better... none of that caffeine guilt to worry about |
| [20:49:26] | mkrufky: | (but not free) |
| [20:49:29] | iamlindoro: | juice is full of sugar :) |
| [20:50:43] | mkrufky: | fine. |
| [20:50:56] | mkrufky: | whatever. .. gimme free food anyway! |
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| [20:51:12] | sphery: | water ftw! |
| [20:51:20] | mkrufky: | thats what im drinking now |
| [20:51:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Are you diabetic, or just watching your sugar input? |
| [20:51:31] | sphery: | (and if you know what you're doing, you can get that virtually free almost everywhere) |
| [20:51:44] | mkrufky: | go with "he's on a health kick" |
| [20:51:45] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: in training Triathlete |
| [20:51:54] | iamlindoro: | (always in training, it seems) |
| [20:51:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: ah. ;-) |
| [20:52:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | I sometimes "Try" to be an "Athlete" too – it doesn't work that well nowadays... :O |
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| [20:53:51] | jblack: | Juice is a horrid thing to drink |
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| [21:04:21] | ** iamlindoro needs for everyone in the office to get distracted by something so he can sneak home ** | |
| [21:04:54] | sphery: | hey, look--over there |
| [21:04:57] | sphery: | (run, iamlindoro ) |
| [21:05:59] | sphery: | heh... I said "dereference" not "don't dereference" |
| [21:06:08] | sphery: | too bad I can't chance a commit message |
| [21:06:18] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, too bad you can't "chance" it |
| [21:06:22] | kormoc: | you *can*... |
| [21:06:25] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:06:34] | meshe: | there's only one person I'd need to distract, and he's on holidays this week |
| [21:06:51] | j-rod: | I'm inspired. I'm going home. |
| [21:06:57] | sphery: | kormoc: I've only ever done it in a repo I had ownership over... |
| [21:07:02] | j-rod: | plus, nouveau == massive fail with quad-head. |
| [21:07:15] | kormoc: | sphery: svn propedit svn:log --revprop -r$REV --editor-cmd edit |
| [21:07:19] | j-rod: | meaning my laptop crashed and burned just now. |
| [21:07:38] | AndyCap: | laptop, quad-head? now what are you doing? |
| [21:07:39] | sphery: | kormoc: would that send out another e-mail? |
| [21:07:43] | j-rod: | muahahaha. |
| [21:07:45] | meshe: | j-rod: your laptop was quad-head? wow |
| [21:07:53] | j-rod: | thinkpad t61p w/quadro graphics for 2 heads |
| [21:07:57] | kormoc: | sphery: nope, and you'd have to re-sync trac, but anyone doing svn log on it will see the correct one |
| [21:08:08] | j-rod: | thinkpad advanced dock with a quadro card in the pci-e bay |
| [21:08:18] | sphery: | wow... one of those cubical laptops with a screen on each side (and not the top/bottom, of course, in true Compiz form) |
| [21:08:21] | kormoc: | you like those mini-pci-e slots, don't you? |
| [21:08:37] | j-rod: | kormoc: pci-e x16, not mini pci-e |
| [21:08:41] | sphery: | kormoc: re-sync trac sounds like something I can't do |
| [21:08:44] | kormoc: | ooh, heh |
| [21:08:48] | kormoc: | sphery: it's true, but xris could |
| [21:08:53] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:08:56] | j-rod: | (well, physically x16, electrically, its x4 or something, iirc) |
| [21:09:07] | sphery: | I'll just let my sleepiness live on in infamy |
| [21:09:09] | j-rod: | same laptop does have 3 or 4 mini pci-e slots in it though |
| [21:09:22] | j-rod: | one with an intel wifi card in it... |
| [21:09:35] | j-rod: | one with a ... oh wait. |
| [21:09:49] | sphery: | at least I was careful enough to actually say what I meant in the code changes... |
| [21:11:01] | sphery: | why would mythfilldatabase be using libmythlivemedia |
| [21:11:11] | sphery: | #7030 |
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| [21:16:41] | sphery: | kormoc: you wouldn't happen to know, if you had svn co'ed mythtv and mythplugins and ... instead of trunk if there's a way to reuse the downloaded working copies and "merge" them together while going up one dir to get trunk, too, would you? |
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| [21:17:05] | sphery: | (that probably makes no sense, but I tried for a long time to figure out and eventually ended up just doing another svn co) |
| [21:17:32] | kormoc: | So you wanted to take a downloaded checked out copy of 0.21-fixes and switch the repo to point to -trunk and then update? |
| [21:18:04] | sphery: | no, that I can do |
| [21:18:14] | sphery: | I had individual dirs from trunk as separate working copies |
| [21:18:31] | sphery: | and wanted to get a single wc with trunk/{mythtv,mythplugins,...} |
| [21:18:45] | kormoc: | ahh, hrm |
| [21:18:47] | sphery: | but couldn't figure out how to extend it from the top (short of hand editing .svn data) |
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| [21:19:24] | sphery: | tried a non-recursive checkout of trunk then copying the other working copies in there, but it didn't work (svn status showed them all as unversioned files) |
| [21:19:48] | sphery: | er, actually, moving, so it's not that copy messed things up |
| [21:19:56] | sphery: | anyway, was just curious |
| [21:20:11] | sphery: | it ruined my "only ever did an svn co once for Myth" record |
| [21:20:44] | kormoc: | I don't think so, the best you can do is just do a full -trunk checkout and then --exclude the directories you don't want, and then re-include them later |
| [21:20:51] | sphery: | and all to prevent sending 4 commit messages (one for each of the cpsvndir files)--which actually would have been 4 incorrect ones |
| [21:21:04] | sphery: | interesting... that might have worked |
| [21:21:21] | kormoc: | requires 1.6.0+ tho, it's a new feature |
| [21:21:32] | sphery: | oh, you mean, I would have had to /originally/ do a full trunk checkout with --exclude? |
| [21:23:16] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [21:24:06] | sphery: | Ah, well I'm glad, then... Hate to have ruined my record when there /was/ a way to take my existing working copies and use them |
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| [21:31:17] | ProgressivPirate: | What are devices like popcorn hour called. I'd like to compare it to other similar devices but I don't know what it's called |
| [21:33:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | ProgressivPirate: I have a couple of 'generic' HD UPnP players – a Buffalo LinkTheater II, and a AverLink HD Network Media Player (iirc that's what it's call) – Although I'm not sure if the Popcorn hour is just a simple UPnP device like these. |
| [21:33:36] | ProgressivPirate: | I'm trying to find out if I should buy a cheap mac mini or just plunk down for a commerical solution |
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| [21:35:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | ProgressivPirate: Looks like the Popcorn Hour supports H.264, which my players don't. So it's a better choice if you just want something to *view* myth content. |
| [21:35:19] | ProgressivPirate: | hah #17 on this page. Why should I buy a popcorn hour instead of a PC |
| [21:35:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | ProgressivPirate: If you want the full Myth "Frontend" experience, you'll need a PC. |
| [21:35:54] | ProgressivPirate: | nah I think I want something to just access my content |
| [21:36:09] | ProgressivPirate: | apparently PCH can browse web |
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| [21:37:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | ProgressivPirate: A google search for "popcorn hour mythtv" turned up lots of good hits. ;-) |
| [21:39:07] | ** J-e-f-f-A packs up and heads for home... ;-) ** | |
| [21:39:26] | meshe: | i'm looking at components that are just a bit more expensive than that to do full software decode of HD |
| [21:39:44] | AndyCap: | ProgressivPirate: I think someone in here bandied about the phrase "networked media tank" for those things? |
| [21:40:35] | AndyCap: | dunno if it's the 105mm rifled or the 120mm smoothbore variety though. |
| [21:40:59] | meshe: | they call it that right on their site |
| [21:41:46] | ProgressivPirate: | NMT is proprietary software used in many of the digital media players |
| [21:41:54] | AndyCap: | Aha. |
| [21:42:27] | ProgressivPirate: | It's sold and licensed in a bunch of devices. Popcorn hour is such a device, which happens to be created by the developers of NMT |
| [21:42:57] | ProgressivPirate: | think of it like if Apple licensed Mac OS X to other hardware companies but they also sold Mac OS X on macintosh computers |
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| [21:45:18] | ** jamiem has been looking into suspend/resume on this mythbackend ** | |
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| [21:45:43] | jamiem: | it looks like it has some sort of ACPI RTC going on, on that board – but pm-utils are just out |
| [21:46:50] | jamiem: | are there allowances for waking it from mythfrontend? |
| [21:47:01] | AndyCap: | jamiem: wake on lna? |
| [21:47:05] | AndyCap: | lan.. |
| [21:47:06] | jamiem: | for watching recordings |
| [21:47:13] | jamiem: | lan, yes. |
| [21:47:22] | jamiem: | WoL I guess would work |
| [21:47:28] | jamiem: | I haven't tested it yet |
| [21:47:57] | jamiem: | I think the human factor is the bigger problem – SO tends to leave mythfrontend running on the "Watch Recordings" screen so it'll be always polling for the thumbnail? |
| [21:48:37] | _ben: | argh |
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| [21:50:50] | jamiem: | there is an option [/] Display live preview of recordings |
| [21:51:08] | jamiem: | even so I'm not sure how to make mythbackend know when it is/should\ be idle |
| [21:53:04] | jamiem: | if it only concerned itself with the recording it'd be another thing |
| [21:54:22] | AndyCap: | jamiem: seems previews could ruin it. |
| [21:54:30] | jamiem: | well, I have turned them off now |
| [21:54:57] | jamiem: | I'm looking at the DB to see if the backend DB records which clients are doing what – naturally I can check to see if transcoders are recording |
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| [21:55:40] | jamiem: | if ( $peopleViewing == 0 ) { set RTC wakeup for next recording && suspend } |
| [21:55:54] | jamiem: | if ( $peopleViewing == 0 && $encodersRecording == 0 ) { set RTC wakeup for next recording && suspend } |
| [21:56:38] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: Any chance you've made progress on the scan cache bug? |
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| [21:57:03] | _ben: | meh, trying to get sound to work and failing :( |
| [21:59:35] | sphery: | So, not quite the "sound of failure"? |
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| [22:01:29] | _ben: | basically i have a board with sound and hdmi onboard |
| [22:01:31] | _ben: | it works |
| [22:01:54] | _ben: | i'm trying to use an nvidia card which has hdmi out and spdif in |
| [22:02:03] | _ben: | (just so i can use vdpau) |
| [22:02:06] | _ben: | and failing |
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| [22:03:39] | jamiem: | `inuseprograms` |
| [22:04:30] | meshe: | are you getting video through the hdmi? |
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| [22:12:42] | jordanwb: | Does anyone know if the Twinhan AD-SE200 works with MythTV? |
| [22:12:50] | _ben: | meshe: yes |
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| [22:15:21] | ** jamiem seems to be reinventing the wheel ** | |
| [22:15:23] | ** jamiem reads up ** | |
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| [22:26:36] | nighthawk: | mplayer is amazingly spotty in documentation in some areas |
| [22:28:50] | jamesd2: | nighthawk, you have the src... |
| [22:29:30] | nighthawk: | yes |
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| [22:59:57] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Check out today's Geek Brief #628, You may find some of it interesting. |
| [23:00:25] | iamlindoro: | Show is sometimes interesting, but she bothers the hell out of me :) |
| [23:00:41] | iamlindoro: | because she's a dunce who is always denying that global warming exists on her blog |
| [23:03:30] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, seems I'm pretty behind on the geekbrief, I'm downloading 625 and 626 right now |
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| [23:29:34] | dustybin: | http://www.osnews.com/story/22154/What_HTPC_S . . . _You_Prefer_ |
| [23:30:34] | iamlindoro: | WTF is that? What do you prefer, so long as it's always XBMC? |
| [23:32:36] | sphery: | "too advanced for my taste" |
| [23:33:03] | iamlindoro: | Just like that one time when it wasn't me, it was her |
| [23:33:07] | iamlindoro: | she said so |
| [23:33:27] | sphery: | I didn't realize Boxee was an XBMC distro. Explains a lot about the whole Boxee/Hulu thing. |
| [23:33:43] | iamlindoro: | Boxee, Plex, XBMC... they're all XBMC |
| [23:34:29] | sphery: | wow, Plex is XBMC, but is Mac only? |
| [23:34:53] | sphery: | He does mention WMC and Front Row, too, so it's not all XBMC :) |
| [23:35:04] | sphery: | (of course, he discounts them without explanation) |
| [23:35:18] | iamlindoro: | yes, Plex was started by one of their mac porters |
| [23:35:29] | iamlindoro: | took the code and started doing his own thing, but it's still XBMC |
| [23:37:08] | paperclip: | heh.. two and a half men |
| [23:37:09] | paperclip: | wow |
| [23:37:16] | paperclip: | he's in holland IIRC |
| [23:37:52] | paperclip: | I like how he doesn't explain how the social aspects of boxee get in the way.. |
| [23:38:05] | paperclip: | since there really aren't any other than the front screen |
| [23:39:23] | sphery: | "playing the theme music of your TV shows while browsing them" (Plex)... how would they do that? |
| [23:39:33] | sphery: | gotta download it from the 'net, I'd assume. |
| [23:39:35] | laga_: | annoyingly |
| [23:39:41] | sphery: | I'd think that would be copyrighted |
| [23:40:01] | sphery: | unless they have you create your own theme tracks from recordings |
| [23:40:14] | laga_: | google "24 midi" |
| [23:40:30] | sphery: | oh, wait... xbmc doesn't do recordings, does it? |
| [23:41:18] | iamlindoro: | narp |
| [23:41:44] | sphery: | so, you get the themes where you get the TV shows and movies, then, presumably |
| [23:45:08] | sphery: | I think TV shows (that I'm interested in watching) should send me advance copies and have me do the captions for them. I'd do a /lot/ better than the for-profit companies they're paying. |
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| [23:48:43] | mag0o: | and trust you with the whole outcome of a show? :) |
| [23:49:24] | sphery: | I think the part they'd have the biggest problem with is my waiting to watch (and, therefore, caption) the show until after the season is complete. |
| [23:49:50] | laga_: | how'd you know you're interested if you don't have captions? |
| [23:50:11] | sphery: | that's a good point... I might have to actually listen to it. |
| [23:55:10] | laga_: | "I do it with Ubuntu Mens T-Shirt – Light brown" |
| [23:55:18] | laga_: | i just had trouble parsing this sentence correctly |
| [23:56:07] | ** laga_ would rather get the "I do it with Ubuntu ladies" T-shirt anyways ** | |
| [23:56:14] | laga_: | http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=382 |
| [23:56:42] | laga_: | if there is any justice in the world, I will be crucified in the blogosphere for that |
| [23:56:50] | sphery: | Do they have, "I'm a PC, and I run Ubuntu?" |
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| [23:57:07] | laga_: | sphery: they lost the key to the basement |
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