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Monday, September 7th, 2009, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:18] iamlindoro: some with a wide array, some with only one
[00:00:39] apyles_home: iamlindoro: any recommendations?
[00:00:44] iamlindoro: The MCE USB receiver and remote are top notch, and what most of us use/buy
[00:00:53] iamlindoro: see on newegg: anyware mce remote
[00:01:17] iamlindoro: That will work with many remotes, and the included remote is very good
[00:01:23] apyles_home: cool I'm in the process of buying an MCE pvr 150 at the moment
[00:02:06] Shadow__X: i like my mce remotes
[00:02:32] ** Shadow__X thinks someone should load me with better ai **
[00:02:34] Shadow__X: :(
[00:04:36] apyles_home: thanks for the tip
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[00:05:02] Igg-man: sphery: I think I'm putting the "repeat" line in the wrong spot
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[00:06:11] Igg-man: sphery: I'm guessing lirc is detecting the repeated signal because of the counting up (00, 01, 02, etc)
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[00:07:25] alakhia: is there a way to skip the intro FBI warnings when watching dvds via myth?
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[00:07:27] reyes: hi
[00:07:32] reyes: how to start mythtv on a separate screen?
[00:07:50] Dagmar: alakhia: Yes, but it's not something a user can do.
[00:07:52] Igg-man: reyes: With multiple monitors?
[00:07:54] reyes: I finally got it working
[00:08:00] reyes: yes on a second one
[00:08:01] Dagmar: ...nor is it something there's ever likely to be a patch for.
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[00:08:33] reyes: solely for mythtv not twin viwe or xinerama
[00:08:35] alakhia: mplayer does it ... so I figured it must be allowed
[00:09:25] JEDIDIAH__: if the warning is embedded in the main title, you will have to edit the main title.
[00:09:38] alakhia: ok, no biggie
[00:10:05] JEDIDIAH__: on most dvd's it's not a part of the main title.
[00:10:10] iamlindoro: gbee wrote a patch to skip straight to the menu
[00:10:23] iamlindoro: it may make .22, if not, almost certainly .23
[00:10:37] alakhia: cool
[00:10:50] reyes: the lil ir controller that came with the card worked outta da box unlike mplayer that uses the number for picture settings
[00:12:08] alakhia: ok, next question: how do I get nice pics for the movie files I have in my video dir?
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[00:13:14] sgtpepper: guys, mythfilldatabase stopped working without any apparent reason
[00:13:20] sgtpepper: I get this xmltv error message
[00:13:31] sgtpepper: Use of uninitialized value in string ne at /usr/bin/tv_grab_ar line 310.
[00:13:38] JEDIDIAH__: a human friendly naming convention for the coverfiles would be handy. does .22 use one?
[00:14:13] alakhia: so should I create a separate dir for each movie?
[00:14:21] alakhia: and keep a cover image in there?
[00:14:28] iamlindoro: it uses the existing naming scheme for movies, and "$showname Season #_imagetype.ext" for television
[00:14:33] iamlindoro: ie "Lost Season 1_fanart.jpg"
[00:14:51] JEDIDIAH__: what's the existing convention for movies?
[00:14:55] alakhia: so if i have cast_away.iso, it will look for cast_away_fanart.jpg?
[00:14:55] wagnerrp: anyone know what the attachment limit is for the mailing list is?
[00:14:58] iamlindoro: IMDBNUMBER.ext
[00:15:04] JEDIDIAH__: that's grody.
[00:15:18] Shadow__X: must you stress imdbnumber so hard
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[00:16:19] Shadow__X: iamlindoro: hows training coinciding with being a mythtv deb
[00:16:31] iamlindoro: I'm no package
[00:16:38] iamlindoro: I was compiled from source
[00:16:46] Shadow__X: s/deb/dev
[00:17:00] Dagmar: The cleanliness of said source is still up for debate.
[00:17:19] iamlindoro: I'm still doing the same amount of work I was already doing on Myth, I just don't have to watch it sit in trac ;) Therefore, my training is unimpeded
[00:18:04] Shadow__X: ah ok glad to hear looking forward to actually using your theme
[00:19:25] alakhia: you know, picking the theme should set the background image of the window manager too
[00:19:38] Shadow__X: or maybe even using trunk before it becomes .22
[00:19:59] Shadow__X: opinions are like...
[00:20:15] alakhia: i am using myth-ubuntu and it flashes a black screen before showing a blue theme
[00:20:35] Dagmar: No.
[00:20:38] Dagmar: Just... no.
[00:21:11] Dagmar: I'm not sure it's possible to be more wrong without donning an SS officer's uniform
[00:21:59] Shadow__X: chaplin moustache in conjunction with said uniform?
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[00:23:43] Dagmar: An app grabbing at window manager resources... Diddling X to prevent a black screen during mode switches too... It might take a streetsweeper mustache to get more people angry
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[00:26:20] Shadow__X: i think "Diddling X" is a funny quote
[00:26:24] Shadow__X: could just be me
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[00:26:50] reyes: any ideas?
[00:27:45] Dagmar: Yes. Try asking about mplayer problems in #mplayer
[00:27:47] alakhia: there is no mode switch ... this is after when xfce starts up
[00:28:11] Dagmar: alakhia: Then complain to XFCE that their app doesn't properly guess what color your screen is about to turn
[00:28:22] alakhia: ok, fair enuf
[00:28:30] Dagmar: I mean, that's basically the problem
[00:28:48] alakhia: you are right
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[00:29:02] alakhia: ok, let's forget about that one
[00:29:20] Dagmar: You might be able to get Compiz to simply fade the new fullscreen window in, but that'll have issues of it's won
[00:29:46] Dagmar: s/won/own/;
[00:29:48] tgm4883: The random trailers option in trunk for mythvideo, does that download random trailers or do you have to have the trailers already on your system
[00:30:20] alakhia: speaking of full screen, i had a hard time trying to guess the offset and x/y screen values to use to compensate for my tv clipping stuff off
[00:30:46] Dagmar: You shoudln't have to guess
[00:31:17] Dagmar: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Image:Cheatsheet.png
[00:31:20] alakhia: i went to setup, appearance and that is where I had to type numbers
[00:31:28] Dagmar: pop that into a full-screen viewer and calibrate your video card settings from there
[00:32:26] Dagmar: There's also a thing somewhere in mythfrontend's configs that puts big yellow L's in the corners to adjust with as well
[00:32:40] tgm4883: Dagmar, screen setup wizard ?
[00:33:05] alakhia: well, the png is only 800x600 so won't work for my screen
[00:33:30] Dagmar: Why
[00:33:41] Dagmar: You can't figure out how to make an image viewer scale it to full screen?
[00:33:41] alakhia: mine is 720
[00:33:46] Dagmar: So what
[00:34:00] Dagmar: Myth's OSD for SD is 800x600.
[00:34:21] Dagmar: Basically, everything with SD is fitted to an 800x600 grid last I checked
[00:34:33] alakhia: hmmm, ok ... but then how do I know what number to type in for offset etc.
[00:34:38] Dagmar: it's not like the 5% region of border around the screen is going to change due to scaling
[00:35:05] Dagmar: Are you using s-video output?
[00:35:16] alakhia: no, hdmi
[00:35:27] Dagmar: Then your TV is doing it wrong
[00:35:32] alakhia: i know
[00:35:34] Dagmar: No digital anything _should_ have overscan
[00:35:49] alakhia: yes, but i am not going to buy a new tv now! ;-)
[00:35:50] Dagmar: ...but at lest they tend to run about 5%
[00:36:06] Shadow__X: next time dont get a pos tv
[00:36:10] Shadow__X: get a good brand
[00:36:17] Dagmar: If you're using HDMI instead of DVI/VGA, you might want to try the other since most TVs won't overscan if they think they're being used as a computer monitor
[00:36:25] alakhia: it's panasonic ... i didn't know about overscan back then
[00:36:45] Dagmar: HDMI is not going to be doing anything special for you beyond keeping you from needing a separate audio cable
[00:37:45] alakhia: no biggie ... i eye balled the numbers and now it looks fine
[00:38:04] Dagmar: So is your TV 4:3 or 16:9?
[00:38:14] alakhia: the latter
[00:38:41] Dagmar: So you couldn't be bothered to mention that when I pulled up a 4:3 alignment tool?
[00:38:42] alakhia: it's only 3 years old ... but still overscans
[00:38:45] Dagmar: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Image:Cheatsheet-wide-real.png
[00:39:20] alakhia: like i said, i'm not using it since what I have looks good enuf
[00:39:36] alakhia: it took a few number of tries
[00:39:41] alakhia: i guess i should have come here sooner
[00:39:55] Dagmar: ...or typed the word "overscan" into the wiki search box
[00:40:11] alakhia: :)
[00:40:45] alakhia: my point was that it should be easy
[00:41:04] reyes: anybody know how to use a second monitor for dedicated mythtv?
[00:41:17] alakhia: i tried xbmc ... and it has a screen with corners that you can pull until you see the corner
[00:41:21] [R]: reyes: in the settings you can tell myth which monitor to use
[00:41:42] alakhia: once that is done, both the gui and the movies stay within that box
[00:41:43] reyes: wow, that simple?
[00:41:55] iamlindoro: We have exactly that...
[00:42:04] iamlindoro: Utilities/Setup->Screen Setup Wizards
[00:42:05] tgm4883: alakhia, IIRC, thats what the screen settings wizard does
[00:42:13] alakhia: right ... but the gui doesn't scale
[00:42:19] alakhia: only the movie does
[00:42:28] iamlindoro: Erm, it most certainly does scale
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[00:42:50] alakhia: i tried it yesterday
[00:42:58] iamlindoro: you did something wrong
[00:43:06] alakhia: maybe
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[00:43:44] iamlindoro: *sigh*
[00:43:54] iamlindoro: if you didn't end up w/ a GUI corrected for overscan, it's not "maybe"
[00:44:51] alakhia: it didn't work for me ... that's all i'm saying
[00:45:17] alakhia: and that would also explain why there are two different ways of setting the same thing ... because they are not linked together
[00:45:36] iamlindoro: They *are* linked together
[00:45:37] Shadow__X: alakhia: but what iamlindoro is saying is that we do have that feature
[00:45:41] Shadow__X: and it does work
[00:45:46] Shadow__X: YOU did something wrong
[00:45:47] ** tgm4883 smacks head **
[00:46:05] alakhia: ok, maybe its user error
[00:46:12] alakhia: and i am mistaken
[00:46:40] Shadow__X: i saw we have users do a complicated math problem before being able to use mythtv
[00:46:47] Shadow__X: good idea?
[00:46:57] alakhia: ok, shoot
[00:47:08] alakhia: let me see if I pass your test
[00:47:14] Shadow__X: or maybe they have to read the docs before they proceed
[00:47:22] alakhia: darn
[00:47:42] superdump: iamlindoro: busy updating themes? :)
[00:47:43] tgm4883: Shadow__X, yea, like when you had to type word 7 of page 63 of the manual before you could play a game
[00:47:44] Shadow__X: problem with that is people will post the code online and google will get hammered with mythtv code ubuntu
[00:47:56] iamlindoro: superdump, heh, are you watching commits?
[00:48:06] iamlindoro: (just committed some fixes, working on some others)
[00:48:08] Dagmar: We could start ignoring people based on whteher or not the answer to their question appears in the top three hits of Google when you paste it into the search box.
[00:48:11] Shadow__X: tgm4883: thats how it should be
[00:48:15] Dagmar: I mean, that's been working pretty well for me
[00:48:23] superdump: iamlindoro: yeah, just watching my mails
[00:48:28] Shadow__X: :)
[00:48:39] alakhia: ok, guys i'll save you guys the trouble of ignore me ... later
[00:48:54] iamlindoro: superdump, long weekend here, w/ alleged final feature freeze tomorrow, so just trying to get some last minute stuff done
[00:48:55] alakhia: thanks and I'll be back after i look over the wiki
[00:49:02] iamlindoro: (not that theme work really gets feature frozen)
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[00:49:21] tgm4883: trouble? no it's just a /mode +q command
[00:49:25] Dagmar: I know ignoring emo kids is another thing I like to do.
[00:49:35] Dagmar: ...which i'm doing *NOW*
[00:49:46] tgm4883: but i'm not emo?
[00:49:48] Dagmar: no.
[00:50:04] Dagmar: You didn't try to imply that I'd personally slighted you by ignoring you when I've been answering your questions.
[00:50:05] tgm4883: oh so we are ignoring me for other reasons then ;)
[00:50:38] Dagmar: Not seeing a question roll up my eight-line window might be one of them
[00:50:53] superdump: iamlindoro: aha, i see. good to know
[00:51:02] tgm4883: i'll repeat it then
[00:51:09] tgm4883: The random trailers option in trunk for mythvideo, does that download random trailers or do you have to have the trailers already on your system?
[00:51:27] Dagmar: I view trunk as self supported dev-only space
[00:51:48] tgm4883: ok, then consider that a question from the future
[00:52:04] tgm4883: i'll come back in 4–6 months and ask again ;)
[00:52:05] Dagmar: Consider it one I'll ignore as I don't care to find out the answer and I don't run trunk.
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[00:55:58] reyes: screen settings doesn't show anything about my second monitor
[00:56:41] iamlindoro: tgm4883, You provide them, by dumping them in your trailers dir
[00:57:27] tgm4883: iamlindoro, Good to know, thanks.
[00:57:31] iamlindoro: np
[01:00:27] Shadow__X: iamlindoro: does jamu work on files name like American.Dad_-_4x02
[01:00:28] Shadow__X: ?
[01:00:51] iamlindoro: probably, but MythVideo itself definitely does
[01:01:33] Shadow__X: well couldnt i do a manual scan with jamu and have al the purdy fan art in mythvideo or am i mistaken
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[01:01:41] habanot2: hey
[01:01:53] iamlindoro: Shadow__X, you are mistaken
[01:01:57] habanot2: i need a bit of help setting up my wintv-go remote i cant seem to get it to work ive been trying for that past hour
[01:02:12] habanot2: if anyone could help it would be greatly apreciated
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[01:05:23] Shadow__X: iamlindoro: whats filenames are generall supported i am not finding it in the wiki
[01:05:33] iamlindoro: "mythvideo filename parsing"
[01:05:47] iamlindoro: er file parsing
[01:06:00] Shadow__X: thank you good sir
[01:06:31] pjcrux: Hello. I have a problem with my MythTV not being able to recognize the broadcast strength of certain channels of analog TV. most of the channels come through perfectly clear. I have tried changing to us-cable, us-cable-irc, us-cable-hrc etc to no avail is there some setting I'm missing? My cards are a PVR-150 and an HVR-1600
[01:06:41] habanot2: i cant seem to completly setup the lirc part
[01:07:00] pjcrux: running Fedora (
[01:07:05] pjcrux: fedora 9
[01:09:21] Shadow__X: pjcrux: so the channels come in fine you just can see the broadcast stregnth
[01:09:33] Shadow__X: strength*
[01:09:47] pjcrux: Shadow__X: no sir the card doesn't recognize them at all
[01:10:05] pjcrux: Shadow__X: if I try to record the channel it's nothing but static
[01:10:16] Shadow__X: pjcrux: and where do you live
[01:10:26] pjcrux: US, San Antonio, TX
[01:10:44] Shadow__X: are you sure your cable co still provides anaog channels
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[01:11:10] pjcrux: Shadow__X: yes all of my analog tv's still recognize the channels
[01:11:23] pjcrux: just not my PVR and HVR card
[01:12:07] pjcrux: are/is there a file that I need to tweak?
[01:12:22] Shadow__X: not sure what the problem is
[01:12:22] pjcrux: relatively new to linux so be gentle
[01:12:36] pjcrux: k
[01:13:02] Shadow__X: did you follow the wiki for isntalling your card
[01:14:02] pjcrux: yes
[01:14:28] Shadow__X: did you make sure the cable is pluged into the right port on the card
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[01:15:57] pjcrux: yes, I can see, record and analyze signal strength on channels 2–32 and 61–77 (77 is the highest number channel available to me)
[01:16:10] pjcrux: channels 33–59 are the problem children
[01:16:40] Shadow__X: yeah i no clue
[01:17:04] pjcrux: k thanks for the help though
[01:19:08] habanot2: ~ Shadow__X ~ hey would u be able to help me setup my remote
[01:21:49] habanot2: i cant seem to get my hauppauge wintv-go remote working
[01:23:07] Shadow__X: habanot2: your best bet would be to look at the wiki i dont personally have that remote
[01:23:17] Shadow__X: so i wouldnt know what to do other than point you to the wiki
[01:23:36] habanot2: ive been trying with the wiki but i cant seem to get it to work
[01:24:39] bsterne: is anyone here using the external channel changing program in the Myth tree "dct-channel"
[01:25:05] bsterne: it works for me (changes the settop box channel) but only sporadically
[01:25:25] bsterne: will work only a few times in a row, and then it starts having communications problems with the cable box
[01:25:41] Shadow__X: bsterne: have you looked at firewire_tester
[01:25:55] Shadow__X: there was also another one for mythtv
[01:26:05] bsterne: Shadow__X: no, should I?
[01:26:09] Shadow__X: that was designed to prime the box without killing a recording
[01:26:18] Shadow__X: yes firewire can be very sporatic
[01:26:25] bsterne: I'm using serial, though
[01:26:39] Shadow__X: ah nvm then
[01:27:18] bsterne: http://pastebin.com/m7db7ef9e if anyone cares to take a look
[01:27:36] bsterne: that's my backend log during the channel changing error
[01:28:39] Dagmar: Have you tried running external scripts to change the channel without MythTV>
[01:28:57] bsterne: yes, it's the same symptoms...
[01:29:06] Dagmar: So fix the external program
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[01:29:39] bsterne: the script has a verbose mode that shows the bytes going back and forth, but to me (who doesn't speak the protocol my cable box is using) it looks like the cable box just decides to stop responding
[01:30:08] Dagmar: ...which has what to do with this?
[01:30:56] bsterne: how did what I say not answer the first question you asked?
[01:31:13] Dagmar: Because it delberately makes the problem more complex than necessary
[01:31:25] Dagmar: Until the external channel changing utility works, NOT A THING you do with the backend matters
[01:31:42] bsterne: well, it's in the myth tree, so I figured this would be a good place to ask
[01:31:45] Dagmar: So... Ignore the backend. Worry about getting the little program that changes channels over serial working.
[01:32:56] Dagmar: The first thing you shoudl find out is if that program can even operate your cable box properly in the first place.
[01:33:23] ** mzb notes that "little" doesn **
[01:33:26] mzb: grr
[01:33:41] mzb: doesn't suggest a lack of importance ;)
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[01:33:57] Dagmar: ...but it *does* suggest a lack of complexity.
[01:34:03] mzb: :))
[01:34:12] ** mzb crawls back into his box **
[01:34:21] Dagmar: dct-channel doesn't work with everything
[01:34:53] bsterne: but it is intended for my cable box, the dct2224
[01:35:00] habanot2: ~ yfni ~ under irw when i click any button on my remote its def working
[01:35:09] bsterne: and it works for a time or two, and then my cable box stops deciding to listen to it
[01:35:19] habanot2: but im having no luck in using it with any programs what do u suggest
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[01:35:58] bsterne: I edited channel.c to use the correct serial port, compiled, and then it works a few times... until it doesn't :)
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[01:37:16] reyes: ls
[01:37:22] reyes: w00t
[01:37:27] iamlindoro: .
[01:37:28] iamlindoro: ..
[01:37:34] iamlindoro: leatherporn
[01:37:40] iamlindoro: morleatherporn
[01:37:48] iamlindoro: naked_dudes
[01:38:05] reyes: uh?
[01:38:33] Shadow__X: iamlindoro: you said mythvideo didnt support all my underscores but yet you clearly are using it
[01:38:37] Shadow__X: i am outraged
[01:38:40] Dagmar: Where'd you get this "channel.c" from?
[01:39:06] Shadow__X: from the ls
[01:39:09] Dagmar: Shadow__X: Stop using inferior-quality underscores then
[01:39:14] iamlindoro: Shadow__X, Where in the world did you hear Mythvideo didn't support underscores?
[01:39:16] bsterne: mythtv-trunk/mythtv/contrib/channel_changers/dct-channel
[01:39:30] elmojo_: iamlindoro: are you aware of a problem with mythvideo where if you have videos in a directory 3 levels deep it doesn't take focus on the videos in the directory until you hit the left arrow?
[01:39:38] bsterne: Dagmar: ^
[01:39:55] Shadow__X: well earlier you said mythvideo didnt support my filenames did you mean prior to trunk
[01:39:56] iamlindoro: elmojo_, It's not a mythvideo problem, it's a mythui problem, and yes, gbee has a fix he hasn't applied yet
[01:40:05] reyes: got it
[01:40:11] iamlindoro: Shadow__X, You need to read more carefully. I'll wait while you scroll back and do so
[01:40:24] iamlindoro: As that's the exact opposite of what I told you
[01:41:11] elmojo_: iamlindoro: awesome – i couldn't find a ticket so I was just curious
[01:41:26] Dagmar: 1. Don't edit sources when the thing was written to accept that argument on the command line
[01:41:41] Dagmar: 1. Don't edit sources when the thing was written to accept that argument on the command line
[01:41:43] iamlindoro: elmojo_, #6873
[01:41:48] Dagmar: darnit wrong key
[01:43:09] Shadow__X: hmm you didnt say anything about it not working with underscores
[01:43:13] Shadow__X: i am wrong
[01:43:17] Dagmar: bsterne: You should look at the README and TODO files
[01:43:24] Dagmar: They have someone's email address in them
[01:43:29] iamlindoro: <Shadow__X> iamlindoro: does jamu work on files name like American.Dad_-_4x02
[01:43:30] iamlindoro: <iamlindoro> probably, but MythVideo itself definitely does
[01:43:38] Dagmar: We're not going to be able to do anything about a problem which has no logs involved
[01:43:45] elmojo_: iamlindoro: made the mistake of just searching the MythVideo component tickets :)
[01:43:52] bsterne: Dagmar: ooh, must've missed that, I'll look again
[01:44:00] Shadow__X: oh does i read doesnt eh you deserve a cupcake
[01:44:13] iamlindoro: elmojo_, Which there are next to none of anymore ;)
[01:44:19] ** iamlindoro blows on his fingernails, polishes them **
[01:44:33] Shadow__X: you polish your fingernails?
[01:44:43] iamlindoro: when your mom isn't around, yes
[01:45:08] Shadow__X: abit defensive are we
[01:45:33] ** Dagmar lets that one just lie there **
[01:45:35] iamlindoro: Didn't seem like a defensive comment
[01:45:41] iamlindoro: more offensive than anything
[01:46:09] reyes: LMAO
[01:46:24] Shadow__X: right
[01:48:04] elmojo_: iamlindoro: yeah, I just saw one ticket for mythvideo left :)
[01:48:19] iamlindoro: elmojo_, well, and a couple more on the legacy trac category for it
[01:48:30] iamlindoro: (There's "Plugins – Mythvideo" and "mythvideo")
[01:48:36] elmojo_: ah
[01:50:34] Shadow__X: iamlindoro: why must you be so mean not afew months ago i was on my way to enrolling in the school of game now this what happened?
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[01:50:59] iamlindoro: Shadow__X, don't be such a little girl
[01:52:13] Shadow__X: alright
[01:58:03] reyes: is it possible to re-index a video card?
[01:58:11] wagnerrp: reindex?
[01:58:22] superdump: i used to wear nail polish
[01:58:35] superdump: tried black, thought it was boring and not really me
[01:58:48] superdump: so i started doing lots of colours
[01:59:13] superdump: blue, purple, alternating green and orange, sometimes striped
[01:59:32] superdump: made them a bit more interesting than just being nails
[01:59:54] iamlindoro: I gnaw on my fingernails, but not to be interesting
[02:00:02] reyes: yes is the wronk /dev/videoX
[02:00:16] superdump: vitamin b deficiency? anxiety? boredom?
[02:00:20] superdump: to keep them short? :)
[02:00:31] iamlindoro: all of the above!
[02:00:50] superdump: i'm quitting biting them
[02:00:54] wagnerrp: reyes: you can mess with udev to reorder them if you have a way of distinguishing them apart
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[02:01:04] wagnerrp: but often, there is no way to do so
[02:01:14] reyes: yes I disconnected the webcams
[02:01:29] wagnerrp: and if you have tuners attached to STBs, you just have to check them and make sure they havent moved after rebooting
[02:02:41] elmojo_: iamlindoro: cool, the infamous #5901 is still alive and well :)
[02:02:59] iamlindoro: indeed
[02:03:07] iamlindoro: though in the next few days it should be gone
[02:04:03] elmojo_: didn't bother me after I found out about the 5 second trick :)
[02:06:10] elmojo_: iamlindoro: are you using a comcast box with your hdpvr?
[02:06:18] iamlindoro: elmojo_, yes, x2
[02:06:34] elmojo_: how reliable has it been?
[02:06:53] iamlindoro: 100% for me
[02:07:03] elmojo_: you using IR blaster?
[02:07:08] iamlindoro: firewire
[02:07:17] elmojo_: that's nice
[02:07:31] reyes: how did you manage to get a firewire box?
[02:07:38] iamlindoro: by asking for it
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[02:07:55] iamlindoro: as they are legally required to give it to you-- they just don't have to let you capture using the port
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[02:08:33] reyes: mm.. do ppl in the costumers service know about this?
[02:08:40] elmojo_: time warner around here supposedly likes to turn off the boxes after software updates which render the IR blaster useless until it's turned back on
[02:08:45] iamlindoro: some do, some don't
[02:09:31] reyes: I get the free channels only
[02:09:45] iamlindoro: which is perfectly legal
[02:10:42] reyes: w00t!!!! I hooked up the second monitor!!
[02:10:49] reyes: linux pwns!!
[02:11:01] Shadow__X: -4
[02:11:06] Shadow__X: for use of pwns
[02:11:11] Shadow__X: -2 for !!
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[02:11:20] elmojo_: iamlindoro: do you have 2 hdpvrs?
[02:11:20] iamlindoro: I agree with all those point deductions
[02:11:24] iamlindoro: elmojo_, yeah
[02:11:41] reyes: are those the one's with usb?
[02:11:55] reyes: I am skeptic of using usb for a HTPC set up
[02:12:06] reyes: looks flimsy
[02:12:39] wagnerrp: reyes: considering you only need to transfer ~1.7MB/s over it.... USB is plenty even considering its inadequacies as a high performance bus
[02:13:48] reyes: oh, wait, it's only transferring to the monitor right?
[02:14:05] wagnerrp: eh?
[02:14:43] wagnerrp: component --> hardware encoder --> USB --> backend --> hard drive
[02:14:54] reyes: yes, all the heavy work is happining in the adapter. Somehow I thought some of the heavy weight task was transferred to the pc
[02:15:17] wagnerrp: where does a 'monitor' fit into all of this?
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[02:15:35] reyes: true.
[02:15:45] Shadow__X: wagnerrp: well if you use one of those 4 inch screens...
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[02:17:28] reyes: is the new AverMedia dual decoder supported?
[02:20:11] J-e-f-f-A: reyes: If it's supported in Linux, then it will work in Myth (in digital mode anyways) – check http://linuxtv.org/
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[02:22:03] J-e-f-f-A: reyes: specifically: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMedia
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[02:29:46] wagnerrp: does anyone actually take Michael Moore seriously anymore?
[02:32:22] reyes: what did he do ?
[02:32:51] wagnerrp: seems now hes making a movie proclaiming the evils of capitalism
[02:33:47] reyes: this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815100041
[02:34:09] reyes: and cheap too $60
[02:35:03] wagnerrp: mythtv does not support tuner cards
[02:35:08] wagnerrp: youll have to check linuxtv.org
[02:35:17] wagnerrp: we just support the DVB API
[02:35:19] reyes: uh?
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[02:35:49] wagnerrp: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCIe_Cards
[02:36:23] wagnerrp: that card isnt even on the list
[02:36:41] wagnerrp: but considering NO avermedia PCIe tuners are supported, im going to wager this one is not either
[02:37:41] reyes: mm... I need a second one, for digital tv
[02:41:02] wagnerrp: there appears to be no mention of anyone working on a 3rd party driver
[02:41:13] wagnerrp: no any work on a linux driver at avermedia
[02:42:32] wagnerrp: whats amusing is that they just use the same bracket as one of their other cards
[02:42:46] wagnerrp: two of the three holes in the bracket are empty
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[02:44:24] reyes: good analysis
[02:44:39] gizmobay: I have to change cable companies from Qwest to Cox next week. Cox has HD but it looks like it goes through the output cables RGB. Can I run the signal out by firewire the
[02:45:35] [R]: gizmobay: most of the time... you can only get the local chanensl over firewire
[02:45:47] gizmobay: okay, thanks
[02:45:49] [R]: gizmobay: you can get an hdpvr, and record over the component
[02:46:07] gizmobay: from the cable company?
[02:46:13] gizmobay: get the hdpwr?
[02:46:18] wagnerrp: you buy an HDPVR
[02:46:22] gizmobay: *hdpvr
[02:46:27] wagnerrp: and then you hook it up to the STB you get from the cable company
[02:46:43] wagnerrp: the HDPVR is a specific HD capture box
[02:46:44] gizmobay: but not through myth?
[02:47:28] wagnerrp: what not through myth?
[02:47:48] wagnerrp: mythtv does not sell anything
[02:47:49] gizmobay: I guess what I'm getting at is I want to record the HD through myth
[02:48:06] wagnerrp: you can record anything unencrypted through QAM
[02:48:24] JEDIDIAH__: the hdpvr works quite well. the only catch is that it uses h264 so decodes are more interesting.
[02:48:25] wagnerrp: you may be able to record more or less through firewire (similar encryption issues)
[02:48:43] wagnerrp: the only sure-fire option is to record analog from an STB
[02:48:52] wagnerrp: and for HD, you are limited to an HDPVR
[02:48:57] gizmobay: I guess I'm confused. Who makes the hdpvr?
[02:49:18] JEDIDIAH__: Hauppauge
[02:49:23] wagnerrp: google should have cleared that up very quickly
[02:49:46] JEDIDIAH__: hd pvr is a bit generic as a trademark goes.
[02:49:57] gizmobay: I thought you meant like tivo
[02:50:01] JEDIDIAH__: mebbe google gives a good result,mebbe it doesn't.
[02:50:02] wagnerrp: in fact, all but one of the results on the first page search for 'HDPVR' returned the correct device
[02:50:09] gizmobay: yeah that's what threw me
[02:50:28] superdump: iamlindoro: make a good OSD theme ;)
[02:50:59] superdump: simple, transparency, clean layout at the bottom of the screen
[02:51:00] gizmobay: okay, I see the light
[02:51:58] iamlindoro: superdump, OSD isn't MythUI'd yet, so I'm not touching it-- but you'd likely like Metallurgy's OSD
[02:52:45] iamlindoro: And I have something in mind for the OSD once it gets ported
[02:53:56] superdump: :)
[02:54:06] iamlindoro: superdump, http://www.fecitfacta.com/theme-osd2.png
[02:54:11] iamlindoro: something like that, maybe
[02:55:14] wagnerrp: and the question of the hour... can you see the little dots on the 5.1 symbol from across the room?
[02:55:27] superdump: hmm
[02:55:36] superdump: depends how big your screen is :)
[02:55:52] superdump: but probably not
[02:56:01] iamlindoro: The better question is... who cares?
[02:56:20] superdump: iamlindoro: the red circle and blue-ish gradients look cheap imo
[02:56:32] iamlindoro: good thing, it's free!
[02:56:34] superdump: i'd keep it simple and clean
[02:56:51] iamlindoro: cool, let me know when you've got it finished up ;)
[02:56:55] superdump: but then maybe i should do my own :)
[02:56:56] superdump: hehehe
[02:58:56] superdump: actually, i think it's just the red circle and the gradient on the time that i think look a bit out of place
[02:59:02] superdump: but that's just my opinion :)
[03:00:29] iamlindoro: http://www.fecitfacta.com/arclight_mythvideo.png
[03:00:37] iamlindoro: You can use whatever OSD I write for that one, then ;)
[03:01:01] superdump: now _that's_ more like it :)
[03:01:40] superdump: arclight
[03:01:42] superdump: noted
[03:01:52] iamlindoro: shhhh, the name's on the DL ;)
[03:02:28] iamlindoro: whether I get around to doing it will depend highly on my annoyance level at people after the release :)
[03:02:41] superdump: hmm
[03:02:44] superdump: at users?
[03:02:50] iamlindoro: yeah
[03:03:07] superdump: more annoyance -> get fed up of helping -> more time spent on themes?
[03:03:08] superdump: :)
[03:03:24] iamlindoro: heh, not... exactly
[03:03:28] wagnerrp: namely how many new users per hour pop into the IRC channel with mythvideo having not read any of the upgrade documentation
[03:03:40] iamlindoro: wheeee!
[03:03:41] wagnerrp: s/with/with problems in/
[03:03:51] iamlindoro: which I helpfully spent hours writing
[03:04:01] iamlindoro: not to mention months writing all the new features
[03:04:18] superdump: where is that doc right now?
[03:04:36] iamlindoro: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide
[03:06:10] [R]: speaking of mythvideo
[03:06:26] [R]: i was playing around with trunk earlier... and i saw how you mark/unmark as "watched"... but i coudln't figure out where the visual notification of that is
[03:06:44] [R]: do any themes support that?
[03:07:00] iamlindoro: There is no statetype for watched
[03:07:08] iamlindoro: you can use the filter to filter out unwatched/watched
[03:07:21] iamlindoro: or see the watched status in edit metadata
[03:08:05] [R]: see thats what made me so excited about this feature... like maybe coloring the item a differnet color to indicate watched
[03:08:16] [R]: i had this feature in a media browser i wrote years ago... and when i switched to myth i missed it sorely
[03:10:07] iamlindoro: Watched falgging was one of many features I squeezed in before the feature freeze-- a statetype for it is not out of the question, but it won't come until .23
[03:10:10] iamlindoro: er flagging
[03:10:30] iamlindoro: and even if I snuck it in now after the feature freeze, someone would still need to write a theme to support it
[03:10:41] [R]: ok :(
[03:11:00] iamlindoro: If it was that critical to you should have written it yourself ;)
[03:11:07] iamlindoro: s/you/you, you/
[03:11:11] [R]: yeah
[03:11:19] [R]: i'm not that good at C++ though
[03:11:27] iamlindoro: me neither, but here I am
[03:11:33] [R]: haha
[03:11:34] iamlindoro: because I didn't make excuses ;)
[03:11:36] [R]: lol
[03:16:52] Shadow__X: and you should be proud of your bad s elf
[03:20:57] [R]: its amazing what moving a wifi antenna only slightly will do to help the signal
[03:21:21] Loto: just like ol' rabbitears
[03:21:41] [R]: lol
[03:22:27] superdump: iamlindoro: is the Graphite dir in themes/ kept updated?
[03:22:35] iamlindoro: superdump, yes
[03:22:36] superdump: or should it be grabbed from the site?
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[03:22:55] iamlindoro: site isn't updated any more, most up to date (aside from my drive) is in SVN
[03:23:03] superdump: ok
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[03:29:12] f0urtyfive: anyone know what the on-screen signal meter hotkey is?
[03:29:34] f0urtyfive: From what I've seen its supposed to me alt-f7... but that is move window :D
[03:31:43] superdump: iamlindoro: did you write an OSD to accompany graphite?
[03:32:04] iamlindoro: superdump, I did not, the OSD hasn't gotten MythUI'd yet and I never learned the old theming system
[03:32:19] superdump: mmm
[03:32:30] iamlindoro: Metallurgy :)
[03:32:33] iamlindoro: You'll like
[03:32:44] superdump: ok
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[03:38:13] superdump: argh
[03:38:15] superdump: tar bomb
[03:39:01] superdump: (the metallurgy tar contents wasn't in a dir)
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[04:00:41] sphery: at least on *nix, it's easy to clean up--i.e. just expand it into a different directory and use the contents of that dir as a template for cleaning it (i.e. with a: for file in *; do ... )
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[04:06:59] superdump: sphery: i just did rm -rf `tar tzf blah.tar.gz`
[04:07:05] superdump: seemed to work ok
[04:08:00] superdump: i checked to see if there were any dirs that had been overwritten first though, so i didn't get rid of anything i didn't want to
[04:08:13] superdump: anyway
[04:08:13] superdump: sleep time
[04:08:16] superdump: night
[04:11:09] sphery: superdump: that's a good idea, too
[04:11:45] iamlindoro: superdump: FWIW you inspired me to create all the individual theme PNG elements from that concept tonight ;)
[04:11:57] iamlindoro: Maybe I'll even build s couple of the widgets up tonight
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[04:34:01] HRearden: Quick question on mythfilldatabase channel updates. I normally have this off (--remove-new-channels), but now wanted to do some updates.
[04:34:16] wagnerrp: what is the source?
[04:34:32] HRearden: Since my last update, I've connected an HDPVR but the same source has a PVR-500 with S-Video
[04:34:49] HRearden: now I get an issue with IsProperlyConnected telling me it can't update.
[04:35:06] HRearden: Seems to have been documented but not resolved in an HDPVR ticket a while back.
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[04:35:57] HRearden: I know I *COULD* create another source but that's a lot of overhead. I was going to deal with duplicated channels that I wanted to get in HD via priorities.
[04:36:46] wagnerrp: if both cards are pulling analog off a STB on the same service, there is no reason why you couldnt use the same source for both
[04:37:13] HRearden: right, except I now can't get channel updates...
[04:37:52] HRearden: 2009-09–07 00:33:25.038 SourceUtil::IsProperlyConnected(): Source ID 1 appears to be connected
[04:37:52] HRearden: to 1 scanable input, and 1 non-scanable input. This may be a problem.
[04:37:54] wagnerrp: i know mythfilldatabase will not touch digital channels
[04:38:01] HRearden: That's not the issue...
[04:38:02] wagnerrp: but i dont know what it does with digital channels run through an STB
[04:38:18] HRearden: The HDPVR is set to return "non-scannable".
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[04:38:35] HRearden: I think the problem is that the PVR 500 has two inputs, 1 scannable and one not.
[04:38:49] HRearden: 1 tied to the same video source as the HDPVR, 1 not.
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[04:40:55] HRearden: any idea if I use --sourceid 1 and --do-channel-updates if it will then not touch sources 2 and 3?
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[04:42:55] thedarkone: on change_channel.pl how can i add exit to it so it sends exit command to stb
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[04:59:20] dragonmst: Hello everyone
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[04:59:51] dragonmst: I am trying to install mythtv on a fresh Slackware 13 64-bit install
[05:00:39] dragonmst: upon running onfigure it errors out and tells me to look at config.err, so I do so and it says I am missing the lame mp3 encoding library, but I have it installed
[05:00:59] [R]: in /usr?
[05:01:12] dragonmst: /usr/bin
[05:01:24] [R]: tahts the binary
[05:01:26] [R]: what about liblame
[05:02:15] dragonmst: usr/lib64
[05:02:23] [R]: can you paste the log?
[05:02:44] dragonmst: sure, im assuming you just want the lasy couple lines?
[05:02:56] [R]: or the whole thing
[05:02:57] [R]: whatever is easier
[05:03:04] [R]: actually yes the whole thing
[05:03:09] dragonmst: okie dokie
[05:03:45] dragonmst: # ./configure --prefix=/usr --compile-type=release --disable-ccache --disable-distcc --disable-dbox2 --disable-hdhomerun --arch=x86_64 --tune=i686 --cpu=x86_64 --enable-dvb --dvb-path=/usr/include --with-bindings=perl --enable-xvmc --enable-opengl-vsync
[05:03:46] dragonmst: ARCH_EXT_LIST='
[05:03:46] dragonmst: altivec
[05:03:46] dragonmst: armv5te
[05:03:47] dragonmst: armv6
[05:03:49] dragonmst: iwmmxt
[05:03:51] dragonmst: mmi
[05:03:51] [R]: NOT IN HERE
[05:03:53] dragonmst: mmx
[05:03:55] dragonmst: ssse3
[05:03:57] dragonmst: vis
[05:03:59] dragonmst: '
[05:04:01] dragonmst: ARCH_LIST='
[05:04:03] dragonmst: alpha
[05:04:05] dragonmst: armv4l
[05:04:06] Dagmar: Don't pasteflood the channel noob
[05:04:07] dragonmst: bfin
[05:04:09] dragonmst: ia64
[05:04:11] dragonmst: m68k
[05:04:13] dragonmst: mips
[05:04:13] wagnerrp: its too late
[05:04:17] wagnerrp: hes already done it
[05:04:17] dragonmst: parisc
[05:04:19] dragonmst: powerpc
[05:04:21] dragonmst: s390
[05:04:23] dragonmst: sh4
[05:04:25] dragonmst: sparc
[05:04:27] dragonmst: sparc64
[05:04:29] dragonmst: x86
[05:04:31] dragonmst: x86_32
[05:04:33] dragonmst: x86_64
[05:04:37] dragonmst: '
[05:04:39] dragonmst: BASH=/bin/sh
[05:04:41] dragonmst: BASH_ARGC=([0]="14")
[05:04:41] Dagmar: Ah well, this is what I get for disabling auto-ignore
[05:04:43] dragonmst: BASH_ARGV=([0]="--enable-opengl-vsync" [1]="--enable-xvmc" [2]="--with-bindings=perl" [3]="--dvb-path=/usr/include" [4]="--enable-dvb" [5]="--cpu=x86_64" [6]="--tune=i686" [7]="--arch=x86_64" [8]="--disable-hdhomerun" [9]="--disable-dbox2" [10]="--disable-distcc" [11]="--disable-ccache" [12]="--compile-type=release" [13]="--prefix=/usr")
[05:04:49] dragonmst: BASH_LINENO=([0]="0")
[05:04:51] dragonmst: BASH_SOURCE=([0]="./configure")
[05:04:53] dragonmst: BASH_VERSINFO=([0]="3" [1]="1" [2]="17" [3]="2" [4]="release" [5]="x86_64-slackware-linux-gnu")
[05:04:55] dragonmst: BASH_VERSION='3.1.17(2)-release'
[05:04:57] dragonmst: BSF_LIST='dump_extradata_bsf
[05:04:59] dragonmst: h264_mp4toannexb_bsf
[05:05:01] dragonmst: imx_dump_header_bsf
[05:05:03] dragonmst: mjpega_dump_header_bsf
[05:05:05] dragonmst: mp3_header_compress_bsf
[05:05:07] dragonmst: mp3_header_decompress_bsf
[05:05:08] wagnerrp: did he just dump his entire configure log in here?
[05:05:09] dragonmst: noise_bsf
[05:05:11] dragonmst: remove_extradata_bsf'
[05:05:13] dragonmst: CCONFIG=' linux release'
[05:05:14] [R]: wagnerrp: yup
[05:05:17] dragonmst: CMDLINE_SELECT='
[05:05:19] dragonmst:
[05:05:21] dragonmst: altivec
[05:05:23] dragonmst: armv5te
[05:05:25] dragonmst: armv6
[05:05:27] dragonmst: iwmmxt
[05:05:29] dragonmst: mmi
[05:05:31] dragonmst: mmx
[05:05:32] wagnerrp: is there an admin channel anywhere?
[05:05:33] dragonmst: ssse3
[05:05:35] dragonmst: vis
[05:05:37] wagnerrp: like #admin or something?
[05:05:37] dragonmst:
[05:05:39] dragonmst:
[05:05:41] dragonmst: bsfs
[05:05:43] dragonmst: decoders
[05:05:47] dragonmst: demuxers
[05:05:49] dragonmst: encoders
[05:05:50] [R]: dragonmst: well there is #freenode
[05:05:51] dragonmst: muxers
[05:05:53] dragonmst: parsers
[05:05:55] dragonmst: protocols
[05:05:57] dragonmst: avisynth
[05:05:59] dragonmst: beos_netserver
[05:06:00] tank-man: -- MARK --
[05:06:01] dragonmst: darwin
[05:06:03] dragonmst: ffmpeg
[05:06:05] dragonmst: ffplay
[05:06:07] dragonmst: ffserver
[05:06:09] dragonmst: gpl
[05:06:11] dragonmst: gprof
[05:06:13] dragonmst: gray
[05:06:17] dragonmst: ipv6
[05:06:19] dragonmst: liba52
[05:06:21] dragonmst: liba52bin
[05:06:23] dragonmst: libamr
[05:06:25] dragonmst: libamr_nb
[05:06:27] dragonmst: libamr_wb
[05:06:29] dragonmst: libdc1394
[05:06:31] dragonmst: libfaac
[05:06:33] dragonmst: libfaad
[05:06:35] dragonmst: libfaadbin
[05:06:37] dragonmst: libgsm
[05:06:38] Dagmar: Oh tell me he didn't tail his syslog to the channel with -f
[05:06:39] dragonmst: libmp3lame
[05:06:41] dragonmst: libnut
[05:06:43] dragonmst: libtheora
[05:06:47] dragonmst: libvorbis
[05:06:49] dragonmst: libx264
[05:06:51] dragonmst: libxvid
[05:06:53] dragonmst: memalign_hack
[05:06:55] [R]: Dagmar: the compile log
[05:06:55] dragonmst: mpegaudio_hp
[05:06:57] dragonmst: network
[05:06:59] dragonmst: powerpc_perf
[05:07:00] [R]: Dagmar: well the configure log
[05:07:01] dragonmst: pp
[05:07:03] dragonmst: small
[05:07:05] dragonmst: swscaler
[05:07:07] dragonmst: vhook
[05:07:09] Dagmar: [R]: I was talking about tank-man
[05:07:09] dragonmst: x11grab
[05:07:11] dragonmst: zlib
[05:07:13] reyes: uh?
[05:07:13] Dagmar: Read more logs
[05:07:13] dragonmst:
[05:07:16] [R]: Dagmar: oh... haha
[05:07:17] dragonmst: beosthreads
[05:07:19] dragonmst: pthreads
[05:07:21] dragonmst: w32threads
[05:07:23] dragonmst:
[05:07:25] dragonmst: audio_alsa
[05:07:27] dragonmst: audio_arts
[05:07:29] tank-man: I don't want to feel left out
[05:07:29] dragonmst: audio_jack
[05:07:31] dragonmst: audio_oss
[05:07:33] dragonmst: ffmpeg_pthread
[05:07:35] dragonmst: and... wont let me paste the whole thing
[05:07:37] dragonmst: sorry
[05:07:38] Dagmar: Like, that wouldnt' be a flood, but after a few hours of seeing that every 10–15 minutes, it'll get old
[05:07:40] Dagmar: heh
[05:07:49] [R]: dragonmst: thats cuz you DONT FLOOD a channel with a log
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[05:08:22] [R]: dragonmst: and you DONT FLOOD IN MSG EITHER!!!!
[05:08:26] reyes: dragonmst: are you aware of pastebin.org?
[05:08:35] reyes: rofl
[05:08:46] [R]: dragonmst: please stop that now
[05:08:57] wagnerrp: is he flooding you personally now?
[05:09:00] [R]: yup
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[05:09:17] Dagmar: ]Maybe in the next life he'll be able to get support
[05:09:18] TommyBres: gode made /ignore for a reason :P
[05:10:02] wagnerrp: '/ignore' is for people being abusive to you... '/kick' is for people being abusive to the channel at large
[05:10:14] Dagmar: I prefer /kb
[05:10:17] TommyBres: i meant about the personal spam
[05:10:20] Dagmar: ...although I really miss /bufu
[05:11:35] wagnerrp: or /soip
[05:11:58] Dagmar: What script was that from?
[05:12:16] wagnerrp: no script, more just a general desire for the ability to stab people
[05:12:26] TommyBres: /diaf
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[05:13:16] Dagmar: Oh... /bufu was a hook to kick, ban, and hten launch a few IP-based attacks
[05:13:21] wagnerrp: i suppose that would work, but not as visceral as a good stabbing
[05:14:14] Dagmar: Much more satisfying to know that someone's little dialup somewhere was glowing with the light of a thousand udp repetitions
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[05:15:23] wagnerrp: sadly theres no way to smell the scent of success as their modem gives up the ghost in a puff of blue smoke
[05:15:43] Dagmar: I prefered udp loops
[05:15:51] Dagmar: You remmeber out friends chargen and echo, right?
[05:15:55] Dagmar: s/out/our/;
[05:16:22] Dagmar: It was always funnier to see their segment go dark
[05:16:38] Dagmar: ...because their upstream was just too busy talking to it's neighbors
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[05:43:47] Shadow__X: anyone here use sata port multipliers i was looking into getting one but havnt found a trust worthy site that has them
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[06:12:45] iamlindoro: !trout everyone_with_a_wiki_user_page we don't care about your new hardware
[06:12:45] ** MythLogBot slaps everyone_with_a_wiki_user_page with a we don't care about your new hardware trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **
[06:14:24] wagnerrp: is trogod back?
[06:14:40] iamlindoro: Heh, nothing that bad, thankfully
[06:15:22] dserban: sounds like an ego of epic proportions?
[06:15:45] iamlindoro: more common than you would like to think
[06:16:00] iamlindoro: lots and lots of people updating the wiki every time they change out a PSU ;)
[06:16:05] dserban: yeah everyone's getting one... it's the new "in" thing
[06:16:17] wagnerrp: he spawned off half a dozen pages for his own personal blog about research every computer part known to man
[06:16:19] dserban: good lord
[06:16:34] dserban: I should go post ... for fun .. add some pics, I've got nothing better to do
[06:17:18] wagnerrp: now hes down to two pages, one is just a mess of links and prices
[06:17:35] wagnerrp: and probably one of the longest pages on the wiki
[06:18:11] dserban: link?
[06:18:18] wagnerrp: Trogod
[06:20:04] dserban: omfg! msicomputer.com just scared the crap outta me... wow... video on the splash page... it's just as bad as minimizing all your windows and having some random guy sound out from your speakers about how he can't wait to ... uhh too much info
[06:20:07] dserban: thx
[06:21:18] wagnerrp: you never wondered onto the site that spawned some 4500 windows of goatse, while screaming 'hey everyone, im looking at gay porno' as a crappy wav?
[06:21:45] dserban: hahah nope... but that's classy, need to send friends there... link?  :)
[06:21:55] wagnerrp: doesnt exist anymore
[06:22:03] wagnerrp: not at the link i remember anyway
[06:22:42] wagnerrp: only made better by using lab compters with built in speakers and no volume button
[06:22:55] dserban: haha that'd be classic
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[06:35:02] android6011: I was reading in the wiki about hd. im a little confused. it seems there is only 1 hd capable device, hd-pvr from hauppauge. but, what about cards like the 1800 hvr, that can record hd clearqam or ota hd. how are they different?
[06:35:51] wagnerrp: there is only one HD capable capture device
[06:36:20] wagnerrp: capture device being something without an integrated tuner
[06:37:25] android6011: oh
[06:37:45] android6011: i thought it was saying that when i watch the "hd" clearqam and ota channels on my 1800 its not really hd
[06:38:12] wagnerrp: no, its saying that the 1800 is a digital tuner
[06:38:24] wagnerrp: but if you wanted to use it to capture video, it is only capable of standard definition
[06:38:46] wagnerrp: digital tuner, capable of whatever resolution the broadcaster sends
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[06:41:11] android6011: and when you say if i wanted to use it to capture video, you mean through any of the other inputs on it? right?
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[06:42:07] wagnerrp: i mean capture video, rather than copying some compressed data stream
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[07:17:46] i_is_cat: is there any particular reason mythtv would stop scanning channels at channel 52? :S
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[07:53:45] i_is_cat: how do i change the port mythtv is looking for the lcd on? its trying 6545 but my lcd is 13666
[07:56:12] sid3windr: it's in the settings.
[07:56:18] sid3windr: afaik
[07:56:51] i_is_cat: the settings didnt mention anything about a port for the lcd
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[07:59:46] jst_home: LCDServerPort, LCDHost?
[08:00:26] i_is_cat: where is that located?
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[08:00:47] clever: sounds like the settings table in the db
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[08:06:21] i_is_cat: ya i'm not seeing anything anywhere for an lcd port or host
[08:06:48] i_is_cat: not that it seems to matter anyways, i changed the port in lcd.conf file to 6545 as mythlcdserver is requesting and it still wont connect
[08:09:42] i_is_cat: then i get: error: huh? Invalid command "HELLO" Invalid command from client on socket 5: HELLO
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[09:57:25] lyricnz: mythtv storage groups seem pretty kickass :)
[09:57:57] lyricnz: I had a failing disk, moved things to a new drive, added the new space as directory in storage group, everything "just worked"
[10:01:23] juski: that's the general idea
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[10:17:15] gbee: just received the wrong CD from Play .... Cher's Greatest Hits 1965–1993
[10:17:58] gbee: now that's bad enough, really, but what makes it worse is the cover artwork – a montage of half-naked Cher photos
[10:18:35] _ben: lol
[10:18:51] gbee: so now I have the hassle of returning Cher to play and waiting an additional few days for the correct CD to be sent out :/
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[10:20:29] _ben: and the humilation of having cher in your house :p
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[10:38:48] i_is_cat: hmm ok so now i got it to work with the lcd but i just get invalid widget id's
[10:39:04] i_is_cat: and nothing showing up on the lcd
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[10:45:08] juski: ruh? CPC don't sell HDD mounting screws? Lame
[10:45:19] gbee: i_is_cat: which lcd? Are you using the correct lcdproc driver? Mine required the 'winamp' driver as it was called then
[10:46:06] i_is_cat: well its actually a vfd the imon one and it works fine with the lcdproc program showing system stats etc
[10:46:20] gbee: juski: I'll trade your inability to purchase HDD mounting screws for being incorrectly sent a Cher album
[10:46:30] i_is_cat: i was just reading some stuff and tried to downgrade from the lcdproc cvs to 0.4.5 and its the same result
[10:46:32] gbee: i_is_cat: ahh, ok
[10:47:16] i_is_cat: only now with 0.4.5, even lcdproc itself gives me invalied widget id's lol
[10:47:34] wombo_: I dont know what you are trying to do but 0.5.3 is supposed to have better support
[10:47:42] juski: gbee: I dunno which is worse :)
[10:47:44] gbee: been a couple of years since I used my lcd
[10:47:59] juski: even our production dept don't have any in stock at the mo. Very worrying
[10:48:08] gbee: don't even have parallel ports to connect it to anymore
[10:48:12] i_is_cat: ya its never worked properly with myth before.. i dont know why i'm even bothering really lol
[10:48:30] gbee: i_is_cat: should work
[10:48:39] wombo_: mine works :)
[10:48:58] juski: <3 Noritake Itron VFDs Pity they're so expensive
[10:48:59] gbee: just saying that I can't be much help since my experiences are a distant memory
[10:49:10] quicksilver: Im pretty sure I got my imon vfd working once
[10:49:16] quicksilver: but I don't remember what I had to do.
[10:49:23] i_is_cat: i had it working a long time ago but it was really half assed.. only showed what it wanted when it wanted and usually stayed on screens far too long
[10:49:33] wombo_: read the mythbuntu forums, there are some extensive threads and howtos there on how to get them going
[10:50:20] gbee: once I'd configured lcdproc to use the right driver, mine was pretty much plug and play with myth
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[11:02:30] i_is_cat: now i've got lcdproc 0.5.2 and i'm gettong connection refused again.. :S this is annoying
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[11:43:14] loki_666: im having some small stuttering while watching livetv (amd X2@2Gh 3GB ram, recording volume is sata and a pvr-150)
[11:44:11] loki_666: cpu power and memory is enough, and while it happens the the disk is not in heavy activity
[11:44:44] loki_666: first i though it was because of cpufreq but even when cpu is locked @2Ghz it's happening
[11:44:50] loki_666: and idea?
[11:45:18] juski: no xv support in your video driver?
[11:45:52] juski: using wireless between a frontend & backend?
[11:45:59] juski: using the wrong video playback profile?
[11:46:21] loki_666: i have xv enabled, backend = frontend
[11:47:07] juski: what does mythfrontend -v playback say ?
[11:47:08] loki_666: it's happening randomly, it can plays fine for 30min, then it stutter for 1 ~ 1/2 sec
[11:47:44] loki_666: juski, well not much... just that there is some error in the mpeg2 stream, but it doesnt seems to be related
[11:48:21] loki_666: im' on gentoo amd64
[11:49:02] loki_666: i could try a different distro, but not very happy with loosing all the the custom settings i've made
[11:51:17] juski: wrong OMG-optimisations? ;-)
[11:51:48] loki_666: OMG?
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[11:52:35] laga_: gcc -OmgIGoSoFast
[11:53:20] laga_: -fsuperFastMath -WarnIfNotRiced
[11:53:40] loki_666: mmh well, i dont think so mythtv ebuild strip alot of gcc options
[11:54:03] loki_666: and my i think the default used for my gentoo is -O2 (maybe -O3) thats all
[11:54:19] juski: using video as timebase? got 'aggressive audio buffering' enabled?
[11:54:57] loki_666: juski, dont remember this... what should be the settings?
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[12:39:25] loki_666: juski, ok will try, an other is issue i have is slow responds from the ir remote control of the pvr-150
[12:40:05] loki_666: lircd detect button pressed quickly but mythtv is very slow to "process" them
[12:40:51] loki_666: and browsing a list is a pain in the ass, i need to hit "down" alot of time with always a delay between two press
[12:41:30] loki_666: to optimize the scrolling speed it's like i need to be synchronized
[12:42:01] juski: checked your database integrity recently?
[12:43:21] loki_666: yep
[12:43:31] loki_666: everything is ok
[12:43:45] loki_666: i even have this in frontend ui
[12:43:58] loki_666: when browsing menus
[12:45:56] juski: broken opengl?
[12:46:11] loki_666: not using opengl at all
[12:46:14] juski: needless to say, it shouldn't be slow
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[12:56:38] gbee: loki_666: faster with a keyboard?
[12:56:51] loki_666: gbee, yep alot
[12:57:14] loki_666: gbee, responsive like it should be
[12:57:17] gbee: something is likely broken in lirc land then, we process the events from lirc as soon as they are received
[12:58:39] loki_666: ircat output data as soon as i press the buttons
[12:59:41] loki_666: i mean irw
[12:59:41] gbee: you'd need to stick in some debugging output in myth to see if it's a bug there, but this isn't a regular complaint so I still suspect lirc
[13:00:16] loki_666: what debug option should i enable in frontend?
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[13:03:58] loki_666: maybe a missconfig of .lircrc ?
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[13:16:37] juski: or lircrc#
[13:20:18] juski: probably a misconfiguration of delay and/or repeat values
[13:20:35] juski: or your remote sucks like my harmony 515
[13:34:19] juski: holy poop! over 5GiB downloaded from my host yesterday. I have a 30GiB/month limit but I've just been warned they'll cut me orf
[13:34:34] sid3windr: orf!
[13:34:39] sid3windr: what are you hosting?
[13:34:46] juski: podcasts
[13:35:03] sid3windr: well yeh at 5G/day you are pretty likely to exceed that limit :>
[13:35:10] sid3windr: interesting podcasts? :P
[13:35:17] juski: for me to know ;)
[13:35:23] sid3windr: okay den
[13:35:35] juski: dance music mixes mostly
[13:35:48] sid3windr: so what makes them a podcast?
[13:35:51] sid3windr: the filename? =)
[13:36:03] juski: podcasts don't have to be *about* anything
[13:36:43] sid3windr: hehe
[13:36:54] sid3windr: yeah, I was just wondering what makes something a podcast
[13:36:54] juski: not if the ones I've heard are anything to go by. Two blokes with annoying accents wittering on about FA for an hour, for exmaple
[13:37:02] sid3windr: indeed
[13:37:12] sid3windr: but why not simple call it "dance mixes" instead of "podcasts" :)
[13:37:35] juski: because 'podcast' is the generic term for an RSS-fed audio file download ;)
[13:38:05] wombo_: but colloqually people think of them as people talking about things
[13:38:12] wombo_: like a blog but with voices
[13:38:14] juski: I never did
[13:38:40] wombo_: that is unless the music is 'speaking' to you, but then I would thing you are on drugs :)
[13:39:20] gbee: I supposedly have a 10GB/day bandwidth limit
[13:39:37] juski: see, the reason people prolly associate podcasts so much with speech (if indeed they do) is because of music licensing
[13:40:20] juski: more people would do music based podcasts if licencing was easier – and it just happens that in the UK you can now get a license from MCPS for that very thing :)
[13:41:31] juski: it's just about paying for itself but I'm treading a fine line between promoting it more & hammering my host
[13:42:07] gbee: juski: UK host?
[13:42:13] juski: yeah
[13:42:44] gbee: I gave up on the UK when I found I could get much better deals in the US
[13:42:49] juski: sold to me through a friend. signed up & it turned out I know him & was his only customer
[13:43:03] gbee: heh
[13:43:27] juski: the company he's re-selling through are the ones who got snotty about the bandwidth spike
[13:43:27] _ben: i just colo a machine in london
[13:43:32] _ben: does the job
[13:43:46] gbee: I'm paying pennies for my hosting right now
[13:43:56] juski: it's got me thinking that rss delivery isn't ideal for this kind of stuff
[13:44:04] juski: would be a great use for p2p tech
[13:44:33] juski: but again licensing is gonna get in the way of that
[13:45:25] juski: the MCPS/PRS joint license rules are easy to abide by. Must be a mix of music & speech, must be less than a given quota from one artist & no more than 2 tracks by the same artist in a row. Oh and no index marking of the tracks
[13:45:47] gbee: there was a time when I had a standing offer from a mate working at The Planet to hookup a colocated box through them in return for a few drinks, never quite saw the need however
[13:46:06] juski: be a pain having to go in to maintain it ;)
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[13:46:35] _ben: they have a uk presence now ;)
[13:46:41] juski: anyway this is in serious danger of acclerating beyond a few friends & friends of friends subscribing
[13:47:57] gbee: actually, it's not The Planet I'm thinking of ... another one with Planet in the name, major ISP who handled the actual business for some major ISPs and companies like Freeserve back in the day
[13:48:23] gbee: Planet Online? Something like that
[13:48:41] wombo_: DailyPlanet?
[13:48:43] gbee: http://www.theregister.co.uk/1998/08/28/energis_pays_75_million/
[13:49:33] juski: I prolly paid over the odds for this host. Like £50 for a year but I got sick of looking
[13:49:35] gbee: yeah, I remember now, they were bought out by Engergis and rebranded E2 (squared)
[13:49:46] sid3windr: juski: if you 're thinking of switching hosts, you can always try and let me know what you're paying now and what you'd need ;)
[13:50:45] juski: gonna get my money's worth out of this lot first
[13:51:36] gbee: juski: compared to what I was paying in the late 90s, £50 is pretty cheap
[13:52:21] sid3windr: 50/year is not much
[13:52:44] sid3windr: 30GB/month is maybe a bit light
[13:52:47] juski: LOL. what we call cheap is obviously very different ;-)
[13:55:51] gbee: currently paying ~£72 (allowing for the exchange rate and the fact I'm paying an increased monthly rate) for 500GB/month, It's closer to £60 paid annually, and under £40 if you pay for 3 years
[13:56:28] juski: made a 2 hour 'cast over the weekend. couldn't fscking upload it cos they have a 150MB single file limit
[13:56:51] gbee: juski: not saying that £50 is something I'd spend without second thought, but I was spending £100s at one point
[13:56:57] juski: wow
[13:57:26] juski: that was the clincher for me – there's not much in the middle ground between useless (and free) and £££
[13:58:17] ** sid3windr spends +- 450 EUR/mo on his hosting **
[13:58:18] gbee: like I said, at least when I switched to the US there really wasn't a lot of decent low-cost hosting in the UK
[13:58:32] sid3windr: so I'm pretty much rolling eyes at the 50–100 pounds =)
[13:58:36] sid3windr: (per year)
[13:58:39] juski: lol
[13:59:32] juski: I know I'm small fry.. not setting out to be some frickin entrepeneur/marketer/spammer-caster ;)
[13:59:56] juski: think £50 p.a. is an ok spend for a hobby
[14:00:20] gbee: sid3windr: dedicated server(s), I assume you are running a fairly substantial site/business?
[14:00:34] sid3windr: gbee: nope, it's all hobby
[14:00:41] sid3windr: declare me crazy, I already know that
[14:00:48] gbee: ouch
[14:00:53] juski: jesus
[14:00:53] sid3windr: I have about 90 eur "income" from friends having small accounts
[14:00:54] sid3windr: that's it
[14:00:56] sid3windr: hehe
[14:01:06] sid3windr: can do whatever I want with it though
[14:01:17] sid3windr: AND have now started a business which will take over part and probably will make profit ;)
[14:01:42] sid3windr: hence my shameless add to juski :>
[14:01:45] sid3windr: s/add/ad/
[14:02:05] juski: yeah I know somebody who knows somebody.. there's unrestricted BW & godknows what but I want to keep this off his radar. there are certain aspects of some things I want to keep to myself
[14:02:52] sid3windr:
[14:03:02] sid3windr: but well if they can't take your required traffic that's a bit silly ;/
[14:03:12] juski: one host actually chucked me off because of a moral objection to my 'off the radar' personal site. No it wasn't porn
[14:03:25] sid3windr: big s&m community then?
[14:03:31] sid3windr: :]
[14:03:33] juski: not quite
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[14:04:00] juski: not going into that in a logged channel. I'm not that stupid
[14:05:25] juski: gbee: btw see that thing about the scouse guy getting jail for selling hooky Sly boxes? I was at a market on Sunday & saw loads of them. Considered ringing Trading Standards
[14:05:41] juski: speaking of morality
[14:06:02] gbee: juski: no guess I missed that
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[14:06:46] juski: yeah he was flogging dreamboxes preloaded with software which connected to key shares – ironically via a subscription
[14:07:15] juski: found the story on digitalspy last week
[14:08:10] gbee: hmm, I at least glance at the 'Digital news' feed from DS, guess I either missed it or it came under another category
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[14:12:25] juski: gbee: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news . . . %9324559449/
[14:12:50] juski: found it on DS around the time I discovered the bbc's evil plan to encrypt freesat tables
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[14:13:43] gbee: heh, I ranted long and hard about that particular piece of news, could well have ignored all other news that day as a result
[14:14:39] juski: I've NO idea how that's supposed to protect content from piracy other than simply disabling reception on computers
[14:15:21] juski: I'd not be surprised if the BBC are being pressured into it by production/movie companies
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[14:17:15] juski: grr. bad beirdobot
[14:18:23] gbee: I like the comments to that story, everyone defends him and berates Sky for charging too much in the first place ..... as though Sky TV is an essential service like water or electricity
[14:18:54] juski: walked through a council estate recently? ;-)
[14:19:20] _ben: maybe they are using freesat :p
[14:19:30] juski: walking the dog I see the houses with sofas & rusting cars sitting in the front garden & all have quad LNB minidishes
[14:19:35] gbee: we have to steal Sky! How do you expect us to live without full coverage of all Premiership games and new episodes of The Simpsons?
[14:20:29] gbee: people have their priorities arse-backwards
[14:21:05] juski: yup :)
[14:21:38] juski: it's why I call it Council Telly :D
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[14:22:10] _ben: heh
[14:22:22] juski: I need to look into who to report the snakes who come round the houses flogging Sky
[14:22:32] juski: the lying bastards have been at it again
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[14:22:49] juski: don't you know you won't be able to get any telly without a dish this december?
[14:23:15] juski: Oh, and it's totally free, you don't have to pay ANYTHING for the install
[14:23:17] gbee: now someone should get jailed for that shit
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[14:23:45] juski: and you can pick & choose your channel packages – I mean TOTALLY customise it right down to each channel
[14:24:17] juski: I'm tempted to post the ****er's picture off my CCTV on the internet
[14:25:02] juski: they got a light bollocking for pulling a similar stunt in Whitehaven – the 1st place in the UK to get analogue switched off
[14:25:29] juski: all the actual untruths aside they still assume everybody has a bloody BT phoneline
[14:25:57] juski: I said OK, so £whatever a month for TV, phone & broadband. Fine. You gonna pay the BT reconnection fee? thought not
[14:25:59] gbee: light indeed, Sky need to lose their contracts with Digital UK (or whatever that body is) and face severe fines
[14:26:25] juski: keeping my mp3 player by the door now, I'm gonna record the bastards next time
[14:27:36] juski: it's one thing to have a monopoly – that's fair enough if people are stupid enough to pay for the stuff – but the kind of thing they
[14:27:43] juski: do really stinks to high heaven
[14:29:00] juski: the guy was wearing a badge which said Sky but I doubt very much he worked for them directly
[14:29:26] juski: mister switch-on-a-smile-before-knocking-on-the-door. C***
[14:31:28] juski: somebody should make a sticker which says "salesmen welcome, but only if you're willing to be hooked up to a lie detector which can trigger a fatal electric shock"
[14:36:28] ** laga_ hometime! **
[14:38:38] juski: it is actually, shortly followed by a visit to the dentist. Yay
[14:49:22] ** iamlindoro actually started work on the new theme last night, god help him **
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[14:53:12] gbee: still no email :/
[14:53:20] iamlindoro: Got it here
[14:53:45] mkrufky: happy monday, everybody — this is what mondays should be like :-D
[14:55:23] gbee: iamlindoro: yeah, my email is down, l won't pester the support guy because that's unlikely to help him find the issue but I filed a ticket a couple of hours ago
[14:55:36] iamlindoro: ah-hah
[14:55:40] gbee: mkrufky got laid last night
[14:56:02] iamlindoro: or we all have today off ;)
[14:56:04] mkrufky: good for you, gbee :-) umm... wierd
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[14:57:02] mkrufky: yeah, its nice to be abel to putz around in chat rooms with my morning coffee rather than rush to the shower and beat traffic
[14:59:04] gbee: well looks like I'm now receiving email, but no sign of the backlog ... hope it hasn't been lost, that would be inconvenient
[14:59:08] iamlindoro: My goal for the day is to clean the house and draw some more widgets for this new theme
[14:59:29] gbee: oh, holiday in USA?
[14:59:40] iamlindoro: yeah, labor day
[14:59:48] iamlindoro: amusingly my mother was in labor w/ me on labor day
[14:59:50] iamlindoro: (that year)
[14:59:54] gbee: yeah, well I guess that's another reason to be in a good mood on a Monday
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[15:00:27] gbee: there aren't many
[15:00:37] mkrufky: oh yeah, my bad i didnt realize it was your birthday when we spoke about LOST last week, iamlindoro ... happy belated
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[15:00:44] iamlindoro: mkrufky, thanks :)
[15:01:00] mkrufky: im sure ur already happy with your umm.... lets call it a birthday gift
[15:01:05] mkrufky: :-D
[15:01:08] mkrufky: how convenient for me
[15:01:14] iamlindoro: Heh, yeah, it arrived pretty close, I considered it one
[15:01:35] gbee: guess I'm a little slow, Happy Birthday (whenever it actually falls)
[15:01:38] iamlindoro: also got lots of nice kitchen gear (I love to cook)
[15:01:41] mkrufky: did u play with the cutlist stuff yet?
[15:01:43] iamlindoro: gbee, Thanks :)
[15:02:02] iamlindoro: mkrufky, Heh, no, I think I'm at least a few months from starting to think about that
[15:02:15] mkrufky: ah okay... so i shouldnt hope to see that in 0.22
[15:02:35] mkrufky: mythtv commercial skip should work tho, right?
[15:02:43] iamlindoro: yeah, commercial skip works wekk
[15:02:44] iamlindoro: well
[15:03:06] mkrufky: nice.. so just timestamp stuff will need fixing in the transcoded file?
[15:03:29] mkrufky: (i always make a big problem sound simpler than it is)
[15:04:07] iamlindoro: mythtranscode lossless mode has some fairly heavy assumptions that the source material is MPEG-2... H.264 would take some real thinking
[15:04:08] janneg: and reencoding around cut points
[15:04:16] iamlindoro: ^^ yeah
[15:04:25] iamlindoro: (though personally I'd be happy w/ GOP level cut)
[15:04:31] mkrufky: ah. .. so the same problem would exist for h264 dvb-t ?
[15:04:37] iamlindoro: mkrufky, yes
[15:04:55] mkrufky: ok,... nice to know that hd-pvr fixups will benefit more than JUST the hd-pvr
[15:05:17] janneg: it affects all h264 recordings
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[15:30:18] notlistening: Hi compiled mythTV and have run the myth-setup and get the message This application is not compatible with the installed MythTV libraries. Please recompile after a make distclean
[15:30:19] notlistening: any pointers
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[15:31:39] Gav8in: do you perhaps have other mythtv packages installed?
[15:31:54] notlistening: probably ;)
[15:31:58] Gav8in: those can be good to remove
[15:32:10] Shadow__X: maybe listen to it telling to to do a make distclean
[15:32:32] Gav8in: the suggestion to do a distclean might work too; although if you have any other packages installed that can be trauma
[15:32:41] Gav8in: as well, try rehashing your paths
[15:32:44] Gav8in: PATH=$PATH
[15:32:51] Gav8in: type that at a shell, then retry myth-setup
[15:32:59] Gav8in: otherwise, the distclean is prolly good advice
[15:33:23] wagnerrp: distclean only cleans out the source package
[15:33:29] wagnerrp: you need to do a make uninstall
[15:33:45] wagnerrp: and/or uninstall anything you may have through your package manager
[15:33:57] notlistening: make uninstall and then remve using synaptic right?
[15:34:07] notlistening: yeah okay i will give it another bash
[15:34:14] wagnerrp: have you ever installed using source before?
[15:34:29] notlistening: it takes a long time to compile ;)
[15:34:34] notlistening: not first time source
[15:34:41] wagnerrp: then dont run make uninstall
[15:34:44] notlistening: *no
[15:35:30] notlistening: i have run make install just once to get to where i am
[15:35:55] notlistening: so i guess i should run uninstall
[15:36:18] wagnerrp: i would uninstall through your package manager first
[15:36:26] wagnerrp: it is more likely to complain and fail upon missing files
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[16:03:58] juski: iamlindoro: not even God can help you now :P
[16:04:10] iamlindoro: heh
[16:04:19] juski: I think theming must be worse than crack
[16:04:27] iamlindoro: Going for something much "crisper", and in 1920x1080
[16:04:51] juski: crisper as in not shiny?
[16:05:15] iamlindoro: shiny, just more... delicate
[16:05:22] juski: and er.. I thought it already was 1920x1080
[16:05:31] juski: graphite, I mean
[16:06:03] sphery: I think you'll be fine--as long as you are able to let go of/convince others to allow you to let go of your old themes... :)
[16:06:18] Gav8in: i don't quite get theming
[16:06:18] juski: shows how I've not dismantled it to see what makes it tick ;-)
[16:06:23] iamlindoro: Here's where it stands as of this morning (non mockup, but obviously I haven't placed everything): http://www.fecitfacta.com/messaround.png
[16:07:16] juski: sphery: aye maybe nobody has quite picked up the baton on the stuff I've done in the past for fear of erm.. yes
[16:07:16] wagnerrp: band girl isnt patriotic....
[16:07:24] sphery: that's some subliminal mind control you're using there--to get everyone to say how great it looks :)
[16:07:29] wagnerrp: even the exchange student has a flag bikini
[16:07:48] ** Gav8in has a big american flag credit card **
[16:08:00] iamlindoro: sphery, know thy audience
[16:08:04] Gav8in: i wait for people to call it patriotic
[16:08:09] Gav8in: "no it's not, i'm not american, so it isn't"
[16:08:18] juski: can they re-shoot that photo when they've grown some boobs?
[16:08:27] wagnerrp: hah
[16:08:34] sphery: juski: Though a few times, you've suggested killing the old ones and people just won't let them die.
[16:08:37] Gav8in: do you have a picture of the cast of every movie on IMDB in bikinis?
[16:08:52] Gav8in: show us what the theme does if you select "Brokeback Mountain"!
[16:08:56] sphery: Gav8in: you don't run Jamu with the --bikini option?
[16:09:20] ** wagnerrp pesters RDV_Linux for more features **
[16:09:50] wagnerrp: pestering him seems to be the 'in' thing to do on the -users list now-a-days
[16:09:58] juski: sphery: I hope atrohpy will get em one day :)
[16:10:07] iamlindoro: heh, like on the list just now? "How can I make it ignore directories?" (Even though that was asked YESTERDAY) "Why is it using IMDB?" (It's not)
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[16:10:42] sphery: juski: but look what atrophy did to Visor--and it still hasn't really died (as of 0.21-fixes)
[16:10:50] ** juski makes a request for JAMU to do his dishes **
[16:10:54] sphery: people just use it around the broken parts
[16:10:57] juski: sphery: really?
[16:11:01] sphery: yeah
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[16:11:09] juski: those people should be denied use of their eyes
[16:11:12] RDV_Linux: wagnerrp: I feel like a Deer in the headlights,
[16:11:12] sphery: and that was like a 0.18 theme...
[16:11:43] juski: gonna get back to working on the painter tricks this week I hope
[16:13:17] juski: right. time to go see the dentalist
[16:14:20] sphery: CBS's #2 new drama...
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[16:21:21] AndyCap: so, what are the odds that I manage to solder this 3.3 -> 5V hack correctly. :P
[16:23:24] gbee: sphery: and this is what I saw "CBS's http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2 new drama..."
[16:24:08] gbee: in fairness, not your fault and I have to expect some false positives with the autoreplace rules :)
[16:24:14] sphery: heh, I had considered doing a script to do ticket/changeset replacements, but decided not to because of your comments about some "unintended" changes
[16:24:36] sphery: I'm still background processing a good way to do it...
[16:25:10] sphery: I've considered doing one that just rewrites the message to the status window with the replacement...
[16:25:17] wagnerrp: sphery: just trigger a PM to yourself with a link to it
[16:25:19] gbee: got the false positives down by tightening the regexp
[16:25:22] sphery: (so it's unchanged in channel, but different there)
[16:25:58] sphery: wagnerrp: yeah, that's basically what I'm leaning toward (although just keeping it client-side with the status window)
[16:27:47] sphery: I also keep saying I need to make a script that allows me to annotate nicks... So, when I'm helping some person with DB corruption, I can annotate the nick so it will remind me which user it is later on...
[16:30:47] iamlindoro: and who is a cable/sat pirate
[16:30:55] sphery: yeah, that too
[16:31:08] sphery: (and probably more importantly :)
[16:31:47] sphery: and speaking of which, only 12 days until we all talk like pirates, again.
[16:32:31] sid3windr: yayay
[16:32:39] sphery: aye, matey!
[16:32:54] ** sid3windr gets reminded of the jpg I found back yesterday that's been sitting on my harddrive for a while **
[16:33:00] sid3windr: about "yin and yarr" :>
[16:33:54] iamlindoro: Heh, here comes the onslaught of Erik Hovland tickets
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[16:34:36] sphery: better now than after 0.22 is released
[16:35:05] iamlindoro: Yarrrr
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[16:42:08] gbee: should be fewer this time around, between the greater number of warnings from gcc and cppcheck most issues in core code have been fixed, still plenty in third party libs though
[16:50:10] iamlindoro: and EH takes the qought-after ticket #7000 ;)
[16:50:13] iamlindoro: er sought
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[17:02:23] notlistening: Right compiled with debug symbils and running in gbd and now so seg fault ;) nice
[17:03:22] notlistening: *no seg fault
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[17:05:45] Dagmar: Shush
[17:05:52] Dagmar: If the problem stops be happy
[17:05:56] Dagmar: ...and run memtest86
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[17:07:02] notlistening: ok I don't wana hear swear words like that ;)
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[17:07:33] Dagmar: *snicker*
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[17:08:23] Gav8in: i have not had a recurrance of my filesystem related trauma since i defragged the drive in question, and put measures in to stop it fragmenting
[17:09:08] Dagmar: Freakish
[17:10:06] Gav8in: not so much; the crash in question was in part of the journalling code that handles lists of extents for planned writes, and of course my very fragmented filesystem (some files had 2000+ extents) made growing these files complicated
[17:10:45] Gav8in: myth uses a filesystem pretty weirdly; continually appending to multiple simultaniously growing files with many fsync calls
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[17:11:04] sphery: which is why it's recommended that you use multiple filesystems
[17:11:22] sphery: where ideally, you'll have at least the same number of filesystems as you ever have concurrent recordings
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[17:11:39] sphery: then, Myth doesn't fragment--it writes each recording to a different filesystem
[17:12:07] Dagmar: Yeah but... I hate to be the one to point this out, but... a filesystem that can't handle two simultaneous writes would be something from the 1980's.
[17:12:23] Gav8in: whatever, dagmar.
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[17:12:55] Dagmar: I don't know about you but generally I listen when people with decades of experience posit something
[17:13:02] sphery: well, there's no way we can preallocate (at the app level) an appropriate amount of space for the recording (even with a very precise estimate of how much space it will take)
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[17:13:18] sphery: so if the filesystem doesn't, you'll get fragmentation
[17:13:34] Gav8in: sphery, yeah. and worse yet, even if you grew files 512m at a time, say (and shrunk files when done), a lot of systems sparse file handling would screw you
[17:13:52] sphery: no way means that writing several billion 0's to the disk is not a workable solution
[17:14:00] Gav8in: right.
[17:14:09] [R]: well that's what /dev/urandom is for
[17:14:10] [R]: !
[17:14:11] [R]: haha
[17:14:14] sphery: exactly
[17:14:26] Gav8in: sphery, i was agreeing with you when i wrote what was above about sparse files
[17:14:26] sphery: ^^^ not the /dev/urandom bit, though :)
[17:14:42] sphery: right, and my exactly agreed with you :)
[17:14:47] Gav8in: we all agree!
[17:14:49] ** Gav8in hugs **
[17:14:57] sphery: do we have agreement on the agreeing?
[17:15:22] Gav8in: 'course, if there was a way to extend a file that _didn't_ get clobbered by sparse file handling...
[17:15:56] Gav8in: it need not even be insecure; you'd just need to note that reads of those sections return zeroed pages
[17:15:58] ** Gav8in shrugs **
[17:16:40] Gav8in: lame though that i tripped a bug in xfs this late in the game. dagmar's right to the extent that it shows some real xfs lameness.
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[17:18:52] gbee: I'm still not sold on it being an XFS bug, xfs is the recommended filesystem for myth and most users don't defrag so massive fragmentation is pretty common, yet this is the first time I've heard about the filesystem crashing and being taken offline as a result
[17:18:59] sphery: I'm still a big believer in number_file_systems > number_concurrent_recordings
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[17:19:29] Gav8in: gbee, i'm not totally sold either. i wish i could A) reproduce it on demand, and B) be convinced it won't happen again in epsilon seconds.
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[17:20:53] Gav8in: if it were an io error though, i'd expect to see io errors in the log. nothing there, nada. the crash in question in the kernel source happens not too close to io, either
[17:21:13] Gav8in: if it's gone though, that's good enough for me.
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[17:23:05] Dagmar: I simply don't think it's XFS
[17:23:15] Dagmar: Fragmentation won't kill an NFS filesystem and we know it's on the short bus
[17:23:22] juski: heh. longest part of going to the dentist is finding somewhere to park
[17:23:41] Gav8in: i don't even know what it means for an NFS filesystem to be fragmented
[17:23:53] Dagmar: Neither does Microsoft
[17:23:57] Dagmar: heh
[17:24:13] Gav8in: i don't think i understand what you mean by NFS
[17:24:21] Dagmar: A typo. NTFS
[17:24:23] Gav8in: Sun's Network File System, a connectionless UDP network filesystem?
[17:24:26] Gav8in: oh, ok.
[17:25:15] juski: gbee: a couple of years ago, maybe 3 I heard a story about somebody losing all their data on an xfs partition. It was very nearly full, the system crashed & couldn't fsck on the reboot. That's the only thing I've ever heard
[17:25:31] juski: even then I think that was a bug which has since been fixed
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[17:32:32] Gav8in: sphery, xfs does provide a way to preallocate for a file without a) zeroing anything or b) even changing the file's reported size.
[17:33:26] sphery: right, but that's set up via the filesystem (not the app)
[17:33:43] Gav8in: no, no, you can do this for a particular file
[17:33:51] sphery: or at least if at the app level, would be non-portable
[17:33:56] Gav8in: see xfsctl(3), the ctl XFS_IO_RESVSP64
[17:34:01] Gav8in: it's totally not portable
[17:34:46] sphery: right--so not usable at the app level
[17:35:00] Gav8in: why not usable at the app level?
[17:35:07] sphery: unless we make xfs a requirement for Myth, but we won't
[17:35:17] Gav8in: is vdpau a requirement of myth?
[17:35:25] sphery: nope
[17:35:29] Gav8in: oh, okay.
[17:35:54] [R]: sphery: but there could be a checkbox
[17:35:54] Gav8in: statfs is provided on linux, and is cheap to call
[17:35:56] [R]: sphery: like there is now for the slow deletes
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[17:36:14] sphery: we don't need more options.  :)
[17:36:18] Gav8in: it could be totally automatic, you can statfs() an open file, either fstatfs or statfs, then call xfsctl to your hearts content
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[17:36:27] [R]: what's one more optino?
[17:36:48] sphery: I think either a patch or an idea was floated back a while ago for exactly that and was turned down
[17:37:09] sphery: my opinion on preallocation: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/261922#261922 (i.e. /completely/ unnecessary with proper filesystem/SG configuration)
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[17:39:24] sphery: especially when the filesystems allow things like: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/348138#348138
[17:40:22] Gav8in: you're talking about the allocsize mount option?
[17:40:23] Gav8in: aye
[17:40:42] Gav8in: the interface to xfsctl() is interesting for two reasons i guess
[17:40:53] Gav8in: 1. i'd earlier said you couldn't preallocate with zero writing, which is false in the case of xfs
[17:41:20] Gav8in: 2. xfsctl(3) lets you not put your preview jpg files in a 512m extent
[17:41:59] Gav8in: but, err, NFS and pain, so allocsize ultimately wins i think.
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[17:42:13] [R]: can you control where those preview jpgs get written?
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[17:42:52] Gav8in: you know, that's a great question. i should totally know the answer to that.
[17:43:11] Dagmar: That threat is lame
[17:43:14] Dagmar: s/threat/thread/;
[17:43:18] [R]: bedause i never thought of that... if you set the alloc size to 512mb... are you gonna be wasting all that dsik space with the previews?
[17:43:26] Gav8in: not really wasting
[17:43:53] Gav8in: but you're gonna be in a funny spot when you start using that space
[17:44:12] Dagmar: If you wrote those previews and then left the socket open maybe
[17:44:43] [R]: socket?
[17:44:46] Dagmar: Once that write is over and the file is closed the remaning 511M should properly be considerd free again
[17:45:02] [R]: should?
[17:45:12] Dagmar: socket, filehandle, it amounts to the same thing in most operating systems for all I care
[17:45:16] Gav8in: huh?
[17:45:23] Gav8in: uh, ok.
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[17:46:25] Dagmar: Considering that the languages I code in use the same mechanisms for writes to disk as well as writes to the network, yes, the difference rapidly becomes meaningless in casual conversation
[17:47:19] Gav8in: the operating system mostly elides that difference, read(2), write(2), poll(2) are prolly the most common io mechanisms.
[17:47:35] Dagmar: If you'd like to dispute the fact that once the file is no longer actively open by anything writing to it XFS properly considers that extra space free, go right ahead.
[17:47:38] Gav8in: anyway, r, what happens to unwritten extents in xfs is an interesting question
[17:47:54] Gav8in: it's configured at the time you create the filesystem.
[17:47:55] Dagmar: ...because either I'm wrong or your suggestion is
[17:48:20] Dagmar: Blowing fifteen minutes of recording space (on average) by side effect would be dumb
[17:48:47] [R]: Dagmar: i'm not disputing... you said 'should' which had me worried
[17:49:08] Dagmar: I say shouold because I've not gone and read the source
[17:49:22] Dagmar: ...but I can't see a reason why that particular option would result in permanent allocation of all 512Mb to the file
[17:49:53] Dagmar: ...now if you told the filesystem to only allocate data in chunks of 512Mb, then you'd have an issue for sure
[17:50:57] Gav8in: so, anwyays, the facts are these
[17:51:11] Gav8in: unwritten extents are generally avialable for allocation, but are not a high priority
[17:51:35] Gav8in: so you're not wasting space, either while the file is open, or after; but you are setting yourself up for a funny fragmentation problem when your disk is nearly full
[17:51:55] Gav8in: an xfs filesystem can be set up to not allow allocation from unwritten extents, though i don't know how to do that
[17:52:03] Dagmar: I'm sorry, I thought it was rather widely held that all fragmentation issues get ugly when the disk is nearly full.
[17:52:08] Dagmar: How is this an exception to that rule?
[17:52:21] Gav8in: man, i don't know what you're trying to say
[17:52:34] Gav8in: i don't know from rules, i'm just trying to describe how unallocated extents are handled
[17:53:04] Dagmar: I'm saying how is this any different from any other even moderately fragmentation-resistant filesystem?
[17:53:42] Gav8in: if you're asking if your guesses you shared earlier were accurate, the answer is mostly
[17:53:45] Gav8in: they were mostly right
[17:55:53] [R]: in other news...
[17:55:57] [R]: is it weird that i don't use a window manager?
[17:56:10] [R]: i the ~2 years i've been running like this, never had a problem
[17:56:43] Gav8in: that's funny
[17:56:47] sphery: BTW, you can't yet decide where to place previews--they go in the same dir as the recording... Eventually, this will likely change, but it's /extremely/ low priority
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[17:57:18] Dagmar: Well, isn't it nice you're willing to admit my guesses were almost right
[17:57:21] sphery: [R]: it's definitely not supported... As Myth uses multiple windows, you generally need something to manage them or you'll have focus issues.
[17:57:32] Gav8in: at the risk of being told to RTFS, is the look for previews able to find them in a different record group than it left them in?
[17:57:39] [R]: sphery: yeah... but in the 2 years, never had an issue
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[17:58:07] Dagmar: They weren't guesses.
[17:58:42] sphery: [R]: if you've never encountered those issues, you've never used the parts where the issues become apparent or you've just been very lucky... either way, it's still a broken configuration that's saving you only a tiny amount of RAM (at the potential cost of breakage/your wasting time writing an e-mail to the list or asking in here/others wasting their time answering your questions ...)
[17:58:49] Dagmar: [R]: If you don't need an external player you don't need a WM
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[17:59:03] sphery: Dagmar: /Myth/ uses multiple windows
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[17:59:20] Dagmar: sphery: Yeah but never more than one at a time
[17:59:23] [R]: sphery: its not about savings really... and i know i could have problems
[17:59:24] sphery: Dagmar: so please don't tell people to run broken configs
[17:59:29] Dagmar: I've never had the thing manage to lose focus
[17:59:53] Dagmar: Never, ever.
[18:00:00] sphery: Dagmar: yes, they pop up at the same time, but as with /every/ other case of windows, you never actively use more than one (=more than one never has focus) at a time
[18:00:07] Dagmar: Are you trying to say it *can* lose focus when it's the only thing on the display?
[18:00:12] sphery: yes, it can
[18:00:19] Dagmar: I'd like to see that
[18:00:20] [R]: ok so... hard drives... 750gb or 1tb?
[18:01:11] sphery: [R]: if you run RatPoison, it will cost you an extra 300KiB of RAM. If you can't afford that, your system /needs/ an upgrade, anyway.
[18:01:27] [R]: sphery: as i asid... its not about savings
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[18:01:33] [R]: i just dindt find a need to start one so i didn't
[18:01:40] laga_: Dagmar: i did.
[18:01:52] Dagmar: laga_: Seriously, how'd you manage that
[18:02:10] Dagmar: I've been using a wireless keyboard 99% of the time for over a year now on mine
[18:02:13] laga_: Dagmar: 1) don't use a WM 2) ???? 3) breakage
[18:02:21] Dagmar: ...so I would have expected that by now I'd have managed to break it
[18:02:23] ** sphery wonders exactly how many of these, "I don't use a window manager," users are actually using TWM, because they don't realize exactly what the scripts they're using to start X are doing **
[18:02:37] Dagmar: sphery: I would not be one of those people
[18:02:49] infoteksec: Hi – can anyone spend a few mins helping an absolute beginner?
[18:03:10] Dagmar: You've already blown precious seconds asking if you can ask a question
[18:03:14] [R]: sphery: i know what they are doing, and i know i'm not using twm
[18:03:28] [R]: infoteksec: you have to ask a question before we can help
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[18:04:21] infoteksec: Bummer – ok here goes. I installed a fresh copy of Ubuntu 9.04 then used the package manage to install mythtv.
[18:05:48] infoteksec: I wnet to the admin function and was told that the mythtv manager had to be closed so I logged out
[18:05:55] sphery: Dagmar: "it *can* lose focus when it's the only thing on the display" where it = mythfrontend, but noting that mythfrontend uses multiple windows (on the display at the same time) in some areas
[18:06:10] [R]: oh... there is one case that i've notcied it looses focus
[18:06:16] [R]: if i start a 2nd frontend and then close it
[18:06:24] [R]: the 1st one doesnt have focus anymore
[18:06:33] infoteksec: The mythtv setup terminal is now continuously looping telling me about some x error and invalid parameter attributes.
[18:06:34] sphery: even with only one frontend it can lose focus
[18:06:37] infoteksec: whats to do?
[18:06:49] [R]: infoteksec: what is "the admin function"
[18:07:04] sphery: infoteksec: sounds like you're using an ATI GPU (or possibly Intel, but definitely not nvidia)
[18:07:28] Dagmar: [R]: You just put a second app on the window. No suprise there
[18:07:48] Dagmar: As far as I know, without a window manager, the one app running will always have to have focus
[18:08:04] sphery: yes, but when it uses multiple windows...
[18:08:06] Gav8in: what is an app, dagmar?
[18:08:15] Gav8in: x has connections, and it has windows
[18:08:21] infoteksec: sry .. my typing got mistirected to another window.
[18:08:26] Dagmar: Don't be an ass
[18:08:34] notlistening: I am using the latest trunk version of myth have it scanning for channels and and get np channels found have a DVB-T homerun, the homerun scanning tool picks up the channels but myth says timedout , no channels on those frequencies that the homerun tools finds the channels
[18:08:39] Dagmar: If you don't know what an app is, you'd just had a stroke and it's time to call 911.
[18:09:22] infoteksec: Yep – its not NVIDIA. I hadn't realised it was a prequisite .
[18:09:31] sphery: it's not a prereq
[18:09:55] sphery: infoteksec: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/394164#394164
[18:09:58] Dagmar: It's not a prerequeisite, but you're going to need to tell us specifically what the error was
[18:10:14] sphery: just means if you're using broken drivers, you have to work around their deficiencies... :)
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[18:11:09] Gav8in: afaik, which windows have focus in the absense of a window manager is undetermined, and you're not guaranteed that any of them even will. the ICCCM will clarify
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[18:11:31] ** [R] is sorry for starting this **
[18:11:32] sphery: that, too, is my understanding...
[18:11:35] infoteksec: Wish I could be more specific. I now have damnd windows all over the place and a cursor that vanished whenever I'm outside this chat app. ... grrrr
[18:11:37] [R]: i just thought everyone would have a good laugh and be done with it
[18:11:38] [R]: haha
[18:11:43] Gav8in: ah
[18:11:53] sphery: if undetermined and you never have problems, you're either lucky, or not using the parts where the problems can occur
[18:12:04] sphery: [R]: I suggest going out and buying a lottery ticket
[18:12:08] Dagmar: Feel free to dig through the ICCCM and find that information then.
[18:12:13] Gav8in: dagmar,
[18:12:33] Dagmar: I'll settle for never ever having had a solitary app running without a window manager fail to be where the keyboard and mouse signals go to
[18:12:37] Dagmar: In decades.
[18:12:47] Dagmar: On multiple platforms.
[18:12:55] [R]: sphery: why?
[18:13:02] [R]: sphery: oh... haha
[18:13:07] [R]: sphery: i only use mythvideo
[18:13:09] infoteksec: errors include: ...
[18:13:22] sphery: and, again, Dagmar you do realize that mythfrontend uses multiple windows
[18:13:31] Dagmar: yes. You said so. I'll take your word on it
[18:13:51] Dagmar: X has rather stubbornly always kept focus on something for me
[18:14:13] infoteksec: damn .... cut and paste got screwed. Guess I'll see if the ne better drivers for the graphics card. and get back to you thanks anyway.
[18:14:27] sphery: so if the window you're not supposed to be using (the one in the background and I do /not/ mean the root window) gets focus, you can't control Myth properly until you reset focus
[18:14:39] sphery: infoteksec: did you read that post...
[18:14:43] Dagmar: Which one would that be and how would it take focus
[18:14:48] sphery: you need to set 1 or 2 environment variables...
[18:15:02] sphery: the main mythtv window gets focus when a popup is up
[18:15:13] [R]: i had such a bitch of a time getting myth to work when i had 1 computer driving 2 displays with myth on both because of focus issues
[18:15:13] sphery: the popups are sometimes full windows, not child windows
[18:15:25] Dagmar: Yes but without a wm to change focus, afaik you can't make it put focus back on the main window
[18:16:18] Dagmar: It'll remain on the newest window until that goes away and then it'll revert
[18:17:02] sphery: Dagmar: the default X behavior is to grant focus to the window that the mouse is over... if you have a popup that's a different window and that is in some area other than the one containing the mouse cursor...
[18:18:35] Dagmar: afaik that's a wm function
[18:18:50] notlistening: iamlindoro, any ideas on the gdb issue?
[18:18:57] sphery: well, if so, then what's X's behavior?
[18:19:00] Dagmar: There was at least one case in which it woudl ahev been useful to have the thing change focus when I moved the mouse around
[18:19:13] Dagmar: ...and by "the thing" I mean X
[18:19:27] sphery: if it's completely indeterminate, then it's much easier to imagine focus issues occurring without a WM
[18:19:39] wagnerrp: el_processor.cpp.... its spanish for... the_processor.cpp
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[18:22:27] [R]: ok so hard drives...
[18:22:36] [R]: is it okay to get one of those western digital "green" drives for myth?
[18:22:44] wagnerrp: sure... why wouldnt it be?
[18:23:00] [R]: i'm not sure if the speed of it matters or anyhting
[18:23:07] Gav8in: only if you also buy a red and blue drive
[18:23:10] wagnerrp: what are you recording?
[18:23:16] [R]: from an hdpvr
[18:23:23] wagnerrp: at what bitrate?
[18:23:29] [R]: hopefully the max?
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[18:23:43] wagnerrp: which would be.... ~14mbps
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[18:24:27] wagnerrp: now ive got an old 600MB drive sitting in a box in a closet somewhere capable of that much throughput
[18:24:35] [R]: ok
[18:24:40] [R]: so nothing to woryr about
[18:24:45] wagnerrp: not in the least
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[18:25:11] notlistening: think i went a bit over kill with my SSD
[18:25:17] wagnerrp: not until you have multiple recordings (as in 10+) all recording simultaneously, and causing fragmentation
[18:25:26] wagnerrp: notlistening: you bought an SSD to record to?
[18:25:51] [R]: ok well the max is gonna be 1 from the hdpvr and like 2 from a QAM tuner
[18:26:12] notlistening: as a go between for more permanent storage bad idea?
[18:26:18] wagnerrp: yeah, not at all a problem
[18:26:39] wagnerrp: notlistening: not a *bad* idea per se, just completely unnecessary
[18:27:03] notlistening: welll i wanted it to be silent ;)
[18:27:29] [R]: wagnerrp: aparently this site says 111 MB/s
[18:27:30] notlistening: and quick and it is that
[18:27:32] wagnerrp: so you stick it in a closet somewhere, and then build a diskless frontend for the cost of that SSD
[18:27:55] infoteksec: Hi guys – had a look in Xorg log and reports the card as ATI Radeon 9800xt rev 0 (yes, its old but its what the pc came with). I would have thought ubuntu 9.04 would have come with the latest and best drivers. Is there somewhere I can go to get summat that will help me get started with mythtv??
[18:27:58] laga_: wow. SSD for storage. impressively decadent :)
[18:28:14] Dagmar: infoteksec: #Ubuntu
[18:28:31] laga_: infoteksec: i don't k now what summat is, but the broken ATI drivers are a well-known problem. just google
[18:28:39] wagnerrp: infoteksec: the 9800 is old enough that it is probably no longer covered by the current fglrx drivers
[18:28:39] infoteksec: ... ubuntu 9.04  – is that a prob??
[18:28:46] sid3windr: "something" in broken english ;)
[18:28:47] Dagmar: ...or make the ubuntu people help you
[18:28:52] laga_: sphery: "but it's a dev problem"
[18:29:36] Dagmar: Nothing i'm seeing in the ICCCM disagrees with what I was seeing from experience
[18:30:12] wagnerrp: infoteksec: you will probably be much better served trying to find an old 6-series nvidia AGP card
[18:30:18] wagnerrp: you could probably pick one up for $20
[18:30:19] Dagmar: Unlike some of youse, my first machine that ran X just barely had enough power to do it. I was only using X as a way of avoiding framebuffer. X and one xterm was all I ran.
[18:30:27] infoteksec: I'll try the ubuntu support guys . tnx .. BTW summat is sort of slang – sorry
[18:30:46] notlistening: have you tried the ATI proprietry drviers ?
[18:31:44] Dagmar: infoteksec: Don't worry about it. Not everyone speaks English natively
[18:32:06] wagnerrp: infoteksec: ubuntu will not ship with proprietary drivers
[18:32:07] sphery: infoteksec: I'd recommend trying mythbuntu rather than trying to reconfigure ubuntu so it works with MythTV
[18:32:30] sphery: it's /much/ easier to configure--especially for people just starting with Myth
[18:32:37] gbee: but that's not going to fix his immediate problem
[18:32:49] wagnerrp: you will have to tell it to install them later, and it will probably warn you about proprietary drivers and what not
[18:33:51] sphery: I'm pretty sure his immediate problem is fixed by the environment variables in the post I linked (but he'd still need to set them in mythbuntu, too)
[18:34:16] sphery: either that or he has the ICE Error problem that's preventing the window from starting
[18:34:26] sid3windr: ICE ICE baby
[18:34:38] sphery: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde . . . 5/comments/3 for ICE error
[18:35:16] Dagmar: Well, until he can manage to cut and paste it's kinda up in the air
[18:35:40] sphery: sudo rm -f ~/.ICEauthority
[18:35:42] infoteksec: Hmmm ... sortof agree abt the $20 card thingy. I was trying to get LinuxMCE working and was struggling there so I thought I'd start with "something simple" and check the hardware works. This all started because my video recorder in the living room failed and the Sky+ STB is filling up. Desperate to off load the STB I thought I use mythtv as a temporary dumping ground. Its taken a week so far and I'm no further forward ... except for the damn good
[18:35:46] sphery: then restart X
[18:35:55] Dagmar: infoteksec: Wut
[18:36:08] Dagmar: You wanted "something simple" so you decided to install MythTV?
[18:36:25] laga_: Dagmar: moar simple then linuxmce
[18:36:34] Dagmar: None of it is "simple" tho
[18:37:45] infoteksec: Ah .. well, I'm building a new house so I though "what I need is to wire in home automation". That led me to research LinuxMCE and now I'm backpeddling. I may come to buying £100 video recorder afterall.
[18:38:00] sid3windr: =)
[18:38:58] Dagmar: Wow.
[18:38:59] Dagmar: No.
[18:39:01] sphery: infoteksec: on the bright side, using MythTV rather than LMCE, you get a /much/ more up-to-date/capable MythTV
[18:39:08] Dagmar: What you need is "wide conduits in the walls"
[18:39:19] Dagmar: Don't make building a house into something complex. heh
[18:39:20] infoteksec: It just seemed so appealing. You know – rip the DVD to a HDD and pipe it all over the house.
[18:39:34] Dagmar: If you can snake cables through the walls easily to install new jacks, you're good.
[18:39:43] Dagmar: Get the windows in and drapes up before the wife has you killed
[18:40:04] infoteksec: The house is at first fix so there is nothing that can't be accomplished with an electric drill and a spade bit.
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[18:41:22] infoteksec: Sry  – interuppted your stuff with my wories. Thanks for your tollerance.
[18:42:35] Dagmar: It's not like we're doing much
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[18:43:13] Dagmar: Once you've finally gotten one working you'll ba agreeing tho that the whole building a house thing is less complex
[18:43:17] infoteksec: Yep ... the wife is already pee'd off with my trying to donwload the latest LinuxMCE. Taken bl**dy hours it has – is there something else you should be doing she says ... yep  — get a life.
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[18:46:00] Dagmar: I'm just moderately hoping someday to be able to slap around the people who built my condo
[18:46:21] Loto: leaky condo?
[18:46:29] Dagmar: Thermal leaking
[18:46:49] Loto: up in western canada they built them like they were in cali. Caused water to enter the walls and not get out
[18:46:50] wagnerrp: taking hours just to download linuxmce?
[18:46:51] Dagmar: ...mainly due to no insulation
[18:46:59] Loto: bankrupted the condo insurance corp
[18:47:03] Gav8in: loto, oh yeah, the vancouver thing. that was awful.
[18:47:04] juski: dialup?
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[18:47:18] Gav8in: i was shocked when i found out my current home has no insulation
[18:47:18] Loto: 95% of condos built for 15 yrs needed to be resided
[18:47:27] Gav8in: the heating bells made more sense after i learned that though
[18:47:27] Loto: and insulated
[18:47:29] jrn23: hello there i have a problem with mythtv...when i first start watching live tv it shows the channel it is on just fine but when i switch to another channel and every other channel afterwards it shows crippled picture...here is the log from mythfrontend http://pastebin.com/m33ac415
[18:47:41] Gav8in: i live in cambridge, mass. it's sometimes 0F outside
[18:47:50] Gav8in: it costs serious money to heat my apartment on those nights
[18:47:53] wagnerrp: why would you build a home in california with no insulation?
[18:48:03] AndyCap: Haha, excellent job, borked my mythdb.
[18:48:11] Gav8in: lots of homes in california have no insulation; depends what part of the state
[18:48:32] Dagmar: If you've spent any time in San Francisco it would be more obvious
[18:48:42] Dagmar: THe place has about ten degrees of difference year round practically
[18:48:43] wagnerrp: are they in some area where it is that perfect 60–80F year round?
[18:48:43] Gav8in: i lived there for two years
[18:49:13] infoteksec: re linuxmce. no – as far as I can tell perpetual server problems led to my system perpetually timeing out downloading a diddly-sqaut file for 12-hours at a stretch.
[18:49:13] jrn23: it wasn't like this until 2 weeks ago (the last time i used it)...it happened to me today all of a sudden
[18:49:17] Loto: wouldnt you want the insulation to keep the cold AC air in?
[18:49:27] Gav8in: downtown san francisco has 164 cooling degree days and like 2600 heating degree days per year
[18:49:36] Greek-Boy: Is MythTV multi-threaded? I need to be able to watch and record HD at the same time? What kinda of hardware would be recommended?
[18:49:55] Dagmar: It can record multiuple shows at once
[18:50:14] wagnerrp: Greek-Boy: you do not watch and record in the same executable, much less the same process, or thread
[18:50:34] [R]: Greek-Boy: generally recording hd isn't processor intensive
[18:50:48] [R]: Greek-Boy: playing back hd is best with VDPAU
[18:50:49] wagnerrp: recording HD is NEVER processor intensive
[18:50:52] Dagmar: wagnerrp: See, I felt life would be simpler if I just ignored the irrational mention of threads
[18:51:02] Dagmar: lol
[18:51:13] Dagmar: recording HD is mainly "processor impossible"
[18:51:15] [R]: wagnerrp: unless... /me comes up with some convoluted scheme
[18:51:30] wagnerrp: you either have a digital tuner, in which case you have a simple stream copy to disk
[18:51:39] wagnerrp: or you have an HDPVR, in which case you have a simple stream copy to disk
[18:51:52] Dagmar: Either you're already getting a compressed stream, or you're using an external box to get you a compressed stream
[18:52:55] wagnerrp: unless your convoluted scheme involves writing linux drivers for a certain blackmagic card, getting an HDCP stripper, and producing the insanity known as the HD framegrabber
[18:53:26] Dagmar: ..in which case, your days are numbered.
[18:53:38] [R]: wagnerrp: sounds awesome
[18:53:44] sphery: jrn23: we need a backend log file... that one is frontend, so it doesn't show a problem--but hints at the fact that there's likely a problem with the backend's recording the channel.
[18:55:29] wagnerrp: oh! apparently the Intensity now has linux drivers
[18:55:56] wagnerrp: now you just need a stripper that hasnt been blacklisted yet
[18:56:12] Dagmar: They actually managed to blacklist the Fury?
[18:56:13] sphery: notlistening: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging + http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html#ss22.2
[18:56:22] wagnerrp: the Fury is not a stripper
[18:56:27] wagnerrp: it outputs to analog
[18:56:40] Dagmar: Ah, i thought it just stripped it
[18:57:05] wagnerrp: nah, the old one does VGA out, the new one will do VGA or component out
[18:57:05] Dagmar: Gonna have to buy one of those things soon
[18:57:17] Gav8in: but only if you use the little screws on it
[18:57:18] Gav8in: that's vital
[18:57:20] Dagmar: The moment the MPAA successfully lobbies to eliminate the "analog hole"
[18:57:22] Gav8in: otherwise....!
[18:57:36] Greek-Boy: Well, my system seems laggy on a P4 3.2ghz
[18:57:47] Greek-Boy: just trying to watch SD
[18:57:48] Greek-Boy: :(
[18:58:08] Dagmar: So stop using framegrabber cards
[18:58:24] [R]: i don't understand how they can make the hd fury
[18:58:34] Dagmar: They're in France and France doesn't care.
[18:58:38] Dagmar: Something like that
[18:58:44] Gav8in: the screws!
[18:58:50] wagnerrp: [R]: why not? it does not output an unencrypted digital feed
[18:58:55] Gav8in: there's an absolutely precious FAQ about how the presence of the screws means it's totally legit
[18:59:02] Dagmar: hehe
[18:59:02] [R]: Gav8in: screws?
[18:59:20] Dagmar: France somewhat has a history of underhanded dealings on par with China
[18:59:30] [R]: wagnerrp: is analog vs digital really that big of a difference?
[18:59:39] Greek-Boy: According to http://www.mythbuntu.org/requirements you need 3ghz of power per HD stream even when using a hardware encoding card???!
[18:59:58] [R]: Greek-Boy: encoding is irrelevent... its all about DEcoding
[19:00:00] Dagmar: Greek-Boy: If you'd like to *watch* it, sure
[19:00:11] Dagmar: Playback of HD streams is computationally abusive
[19:00:13] Gav8in: the little screws! from their FAQ
[19:00:15] Gav8in: "What are the advantages of using HDfury?
[19:00:17] Gav8in: - HDfury can screw directly to your display therefore (unlike the stripper/converter boxes) it remains compliant to the HDCP rules as it does not allow and end-user easy access to the analog decrypted signal. "
[19:00:29] [R]: Gav8in: rofl
[19:00:33] Dagmar: That's really priceless.  :)
[19:00:46] Gav8in: see? You have to use the screws or else you're a crook.
[19:00:48] infoteksec: sphery: You're a STAR. I typed in the export directives and started up mythtv-setup without problems. Am I goining to fine some way there variables are established during system startup.
[19:00:49] Gav8in: or something
[19:00:50] wagnerrp: Greek-Boy: that number is set very high, because they dont expect their users to understand anything about computers in general
[19:01:06] [R]: Gav8in: easy access? doesn't it output the analog decrypted signal?
[19:01:21] sphery: infoteksec: in MythBuntu there's some session file in /etc or something where you set them
[19:01:21] Gav8in: Only on a connector that is SCREWED SHUT.
[19:01:23] Greek-Boy: well in that case my P4 3.2ghz shouldn't have any problems being a back-end...
[19:01:29] wagnerrp: however yes, a 3GHz P4 is roughly what is needed to play back full bitrate ATSC with no hardware decoding
[19:01:39] wagnerrp: Core2 and AMD chips can get by with far less
[19:01:50] sphery: infoteksec: some *buntu user could give you more details on how/where to set environment variables before Myth apps are started
[19:01:55] Dagmar: /etc/profile should do it
[19:02:07] ** sphery takes his gold star and puts it on his refrigerator :) **
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[19:02:33] Dagmar: Actually, drat it that won't do it unless some other hacks are in place
[19:02:36] Dagmar: Gotta use the wm's rc
[19:02:47] infoteksec: Outstanding .... thanks a bunch, guys.
[19:03:15] Greek-Boy: well, this P4 3.2ghz has 3 Hauppauge WinTV Nova HD S2 cards, I just want to be able to record three streams at the same time and watch one in the front-ends simultaneously...
[19:03:17] sphery: infoteksec: and regarding your "updated/better version of the drivers" comments... There are currently no ATI drivers without that breakage (and possibly the same for Intel drivers)
[19:03:20] Dagmar: Greek-Boy: By "far less" he does not mean "400Mhz PII" he means "2.2Ghz system"
[19:03:26] Dagmar: ;)
[19:03:29] sphery: i.e. updating won't help until some time in the future when they fix them
[19:03:31] wagnerrp: what is the thing called where devices are supposed to output to some reduced resolution if HDCP is not available
[19:03:43] Dagmar: wagnerrp: "stupid bullshit"
[19:03:54] laga_: Greek-Boy: do you want to watch on the p4 3.2GHz?
[19:04:08] [R]: wagnerrp: bullshit
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[19:04:09] wagnerrp: Dagmar: i mean 'what is it called', not 'what is it'
[19:04:28] [R]: Dagmar: haha
[19:04:31] Dagmar: Mainly I'd call it "extortion" but I don't know what they call it
[19:04:40] infoteksec: Some suggested my getting a nvidia board – Are there any to avoid??
[19:04:42] [R]: i've heard it refered to as downscaling
[19:04:46] Greek-Boy: laga_: Nah, it will just be a back-end that's recording, it will also serve as the master database.
[19:04:53] [R]: infoteksec: what do you want to do with it?
[19:05:03] Dagmar: infoteksec; The ones made from recycled newspapers are to be avoided
[19:05:30] infoteksec: Ok — then anu nvidia it is ... thanks guys.
[19:05:48] [R]: Dagmar: i dont know why... but that statement reminded me of the p-p-p-p-owerbook
[19:05:49] infoteksec: oppps "anu" > any
[19:06:10] Dagmar: [R]: If you're talking about the ones they have on desks at the furniture store, then yes
[19:06:22] Dagmar: They're _really_ lightweight tho
[19:06:27] [R]: Dagmar: no
[19:06:53] Dagmar: I used to have one of thoise
[19:06:57] [R]: Dagmar: http://www.zug.com/pranks/powerbook/
[19:07:08] Dagmar: I kept two copies of Playboy inside it
[19:07:35] jrn23: sphery: here is the mythbackend.log http://pastebin.com/m4881b755
[19:08:39] Dagmar: ...cuz you know, a paper computer would be likely to have paper porn inside it
[19:08:47] [R]: haha
[19:08:57] [R]: so a movie that is 1.5 hours at 1080p at 4gb
[19:09:01] [R]: is that decent quality?
[19:09:22] wagnerrp: no, not really
[19:09:26] [Peter]_: no, that sucks
[19:09:27] [R]: thats what i thought
[19:09:30] Gav8in: my local station transmit sesame street at 6.5 gigabytes/hour
[19:09:40] [R]: stupid crackaddict kept it to 4gb cuz hes an idiot and uses fat32
[19:09:56] wagnerrp: yeah, broadcast tv is usually anywhere from 5–8GB/hr
[19:10:28] sphery: jrn23: looks like you have broken Storage Groups--either non-existent/inaccessible/not writable storage group directories or something
[19:10:32] wagnerrp: HDDVD is closer to 10, BluRay is often 15
[19:10:34] infoteksec: is that SD or HD??
[19:10:48] sphery: jrn23: ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '9_20090211220434.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found. (et al)
[19:10:57] jrn23: sphery: so i should just recreate the storage group
[19:11:04] jrn23: sphery: ?
[19:11:08] wagnerrp: [R]: youre not talking about some movie you found online are you?
[19:11:16] [R]: wagnerrp: of course not
[19:11:24] Dagmar: It would be much smaller
[19:11:25] [R]: wagnerrp: that would be immoral
[19:11:25] sphery: jrn23: in mythtv-setup, verify all the directories specified in your storage groups have appropriate permissions, etc
[19:11:37] wagnerrp: ok, just making sure
[19:11:45] [R]: wagnerrp: lol
[19:11:48] sphery: jrn23: and note that you really want to only defined the directory list on the master backend and use the exact same absolute paths on all systems
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[19:17:10] AndyCap: lovely, overwrote my current mythdb with the db from my old mythinstall. bonehead, bonehead, bonehead.
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[19:18:16] Dagmar: It's okay. All that functionality was just getting in the way.
[19:19:26] AndyCap: note to self. don't import old backups as someone who can write to the db you want to keep.
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[19:21:00] jrn23: sphery: in storage groups i don't have any storage groups...only the default...does it matter somehow? the directory i use for the default storage group is owned by mythtv:video
[19:23:38] jrn23: sphery: the thing is that i don't think i changed something myself...it used to work just fine...until today...
[19:35:41] sphery: jrn23: only having default is ideal (the simplest case)
[19:36:25] sphery: jrn23: if it just stopped working, then likely your filesystems themselves have changed (or you're no longer running mythbackend as the same user or something)
[19:41:44] sphery: I have a feeling 99% of these trunk DB schema upgrade "failures" are actually users getting impatient waiting for the upgrade (thinking something is wrong) and killing mythtv-setup/mythbackend then restarting
[19:42:24] iamlindoro: not to mention the many many people who are now distributing HD-PVR backports (at least three gentoo users now) that are breaking DB schemas
[19:43:13] sphery: really
[19:43:17] sphery: what breakage?
[19:43:35] sphery: extra tables or something?
[19:43:58] iamlindoro: some value or another, it's been a while since I looked at it
[19:44:14] yfaykya: Hi – Want to test DVB-S2 scan against 28.2 (Astra/Hotbird). I assume all I do is run scan-s2 and pass this to the scanner? I get nothing this way.
[19:44:35] iamlindoro: You shouldn't use any external scanner
[19:44:40] iamlindoro: you should use the myth scanner
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[19:45:12] sphery: yfaykya: trying to import a scan versus scanning yourself with mythtv-setup?
[19:45:13] sphery: and if that internal scanner doesn't work, we need to fix it :)
[19:46:09] yfaykya: imalindoro: Tried a import – no joy.
[19:46:38] iamlindoro: I'm saying *don't import*
[19:46:38] sphery: yeah, import means an external scanner, right?
[19:46:47] iamlindoro: use *myth's channel scanner*
[19:47:06] laga_: heh
[19:47:35] yfaykya: Internal scanner does not work on any other setting. Just gives something like "Programmer error" – Will try and get error msg in a bit
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[19:47:50] iamlindoro: make sure you are on absolutely current trunk
[19:48:56] yfaykya: imalindoro : I tried all myth's internal scanning options – ie . Scan all transponders etc
[19:49:29] iamlindoro: how old is your trunk?
[19:49:40] iamlindoro: anything older that 24 hours old should be updated
[19:50:08] iamlindoro: lots and lots of people using that bird w/ current trunk, so I suspect there's user error at hand
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[19:58:39] yfaykya: So which scan should I use?
[19:59:06] jrn23: sphery: i created a new directory (mythtv:video 0777) and tried to change it under storage group default to point to the new directory but the same problem still exists...the thing is that the errors start popping up in mythbackend.log even if i don't change channel...and the first channel works just fine until i decide to switch to another channel
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[20:00:26] wagnerrp: yfaykya: what are you trying to scan?
[20:00:41] yfaykya: dvb-s2
[20:00:50] yfaykya: Freesat
[20:01:05] jrn23: sphery: what permissions does your storage default directory have and who is the owner if you don't mind?
[20:01:13] wagnerrp: there should be a frequency table in the scanner for that
[20:01:29] wagnerrp: however the dvb-s2 stuff only very recently got put into trunk
[20:02:02] yfaykya: You mean the freqs in /usr/share/dvb/dvb-s/Astra-28.2E ?
[20:02:21] wagnerrp: no, the mythtv scanner is completely independent of dvb-tools
[20:02:24] yfaykya: I tried one in full scan but myth errors out straight away
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[20:02:33] sphery: key2=@0x11 --not good
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[20:03:32] yfaykya: Where these freqs stored ? In the DB? That might be problem as I has a freesat working fine on S1 but blew away dtv* tables (truncated) to tidy it up. Should have just deleted the cards in mythtv-setup I s'ppose
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[20:18:28] gbee: wheee!
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[20:23:09] iamlindoro: heh
[20:23:21] ** dustybin tickles iamlindoro **
[20:24:22] yfaykya: whats easiest way to create dtv_priva* table?
[20:24:47] janneg: yfaykya: which parameters did you use in the full scan
[20:25:15] janneg: there are currently no frequency tables for dvb-s*
[20:25:49] yfaykya: janneg: I was trying some freqs from a dvb-s scan file
[20:27:22] janneg: yfaykya: the "programmers error" shouldn't be presented to an user. please tell me the exact parameters you used
[20:30:37] jrn23: could anyone help me with the problem i described above? the mythbackend.log is http://pastebin.com/m4881b755 ...thanks in advance...
[20:31:10] yfaykya: janneg : That error may have been a result of me truncating dtv_privatetypes
[20:31:23] juski: jrn23: before the huge netsplit? Good luck. LOL
[20:31:34] yfaykya: I have restored it so will try again now
[20:32:37] sphery: jrn23: give a backend logs that actually shows you trying to record something
[20:32:44] sphery: jrn23: or going into livetv
[20:33:53] sphery: jrn23: also, you need to fix your recording profiles to use 48kHz sample rate ("MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Warning: Audio sample rate 32000 Hz is not supported by ivtv driver, using 48000 Hz instead.")
[20:34:04] sphery: jrn23: and, I just noticed that it does show that one recording...
[20:34:19] sphery: still, until you fix the "I can't find recording files" problems (whatever is causing them), "stuff" will fail to work
[20:35:15] sphery: unless that's just caused by you deleting recording files through the filesystem rather than through myth
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[20:37:39] yfaykya: janneg : I just tried 3 different scans from "full scan (tuned)" with out error (or channels :-( ) so it must have been my side.
[20:38:12] janneg: yfaykya: which card?
[20:38:24] yfaykya: I do get the error though when I try and scan "existing transports"
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[20:38:31] yfaykya: Nova-S2
[20:39:13] yfaykya: mantis mecurial dvb
[20:39:20] jrn23: sphery: well i haven't really recorded anything...there was in the storage directory just the files that were from the livetv which indeed i removed manually so that they don't take up space in my hdd...another log will be coming in the next few minutes...give me some time please
[20:39:38] yfaykya: Though the kernel module might not be built against this .. hmmm..
[20:40:09] sphery: jrn23: yeah, based on sizes, these look like LiveTV... would be a lot easier to debug if you cleared out all the old LiveTV metadata...
[20:41:16] sphery: jrn23: in Watch Recordings, hit MENU (M), then change the filter to show LiveTV, then http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F
[20:41:37] janneg: yfaykya: which error message?
[20:41:48] yfaykya: Programmer error one
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[20:43:28] janneg: yfaykya: can please paste a -v channel,channelscan log
[20:43:39] yfaykya: Ok – 2 mins
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[20:45:35] yfaykya: janneg : http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1557662
[20:45:55] yfaykya: Unable to find any transports for sourceid 3
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[20:47:14] janneg: yfaykya: are there transports for source id 3? SELECT COUNT(*) FROM dtv_multiplex WHERE sourceid = 3;
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[20:48:08] yfaykya: janneg: None.
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[20:48:19] yfaykya: How do I add transports?
[20:48:50] janneg: yfaykya: full scan (tuned)
[20:49:28] yfaykya: janneg : I have no freqs that work :-(
[20:50:25] janneg: use 10847000 as frequency, vertical, 22000 m as symbol rate, 5/6 as FEC and qpsk as modulation
[20:52:09] yfaykya: nothing on that..
[20:53:08] yfaykya: I was supposed to use DVB-S2 there right?
[20:54:47] yfaykya: I will see if scan-s2 sees anything
[20:55:02] janneg: ? there shouldn't be an option to choose DVB-S2. all options except the frequency should be in the drop down lists
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[20:56:24] yfaykya: I can choose Mod Sys as DVB-S2
[20:57:18] MythBork: anyone know how to fix it when the script thats suppose to generate previews im the watch recordings menu causes a segfault? i tried loading the mythweb page, but no change
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[21:04:03] MythBork: shoul i just swith to image previews until the new ui comes in november?
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[21:04:28] scan is now known as scan_away
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[21:04:29] sphery: MythBork: what is this "script thats suppose to generate previews"?
[21:04:29] sphery: nvm
[21:04:30] sphery: was just going to tell him that a) it's not a script and b) even if it segfaults, it can't affect anything (except that one preview) as it's a different process
[21:04:30] sphery: I suppose, though, I /really/ should have answered within 3mins. My fault, then.
[21:04:31] gbee: November now? guess I can relax a little then
[21:04:31] sphery: heh
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[21:14:34] jrn23: sphery: where does mythtv store metadata? is some file? because it is a long list in the recordings and i have to delete each one seperately...no mass deletion available...
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[21:26:39] cesman: mythtv stores all data in the mythconverg db
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[21:32:25] gbee: no-one thought to tell jrn23 about adding them to a playlist and doing a mass-delete that way?
[21:32:41] iamlindoro: you did :)
[21:32:54] iamlindoro: (and I suspect a few of us haven't been watching)
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[21:33:56] gbee: iamlindoro: he's no longer in here :)
[21:34:05] gbee: unless he changed nick
[21:34:06] iamlindoro: can't catch them all
[21:34:17] iamlindoro: My IRCing takes a hit when I'm theming :)
[21:34:44] gbee: why do you think I'm always late to a conversation? :)
[21:34:55] sphery: gbee: mass delete through playlist won't work if the files are missing (yet... I really have to finish that patch)
[21:35:35] gbee: sphery: ok, see I wasn't here to read the background :p
[21:36:11] sphery: yeah... still was enough to remind me that I didn't get the orphaned metadata/file handling done for 0.22 :(
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[21:38:16] gbee: think my cat has fallen out with me, tried to take away a mouse from her earlier tonight, for the first time she didn't let me have it and fought back
[21:38:29] gbee: typing with plastered hands is tricky
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[21:39:48] gbee: plaster == bandaid for those in the US
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[21:42:20] sphery: Isn't $IFS a bash'ism?
[21:44:12] [R]: gbee: how very odd
[21:47:38] jams: sphery- not specificly a bash'ism but bourne like shells in general
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[21:49:26] sphery: jams: so it's fine for a script #!/bin/sh
[21:50:46] sphery: I know the SOURCE=$(basename "$1") line isn't technically sh-portable, but I hadn't noticed it before I looked at http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21722
[21:50:59] sphery: guess no one has had a problem with it, yet
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[21:51:49] JEDIDIAH__: a cat plus lack of consent really doesn't require any explanation.
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[21:52:27] jams: should be fine for linux/osx.
[21:52:53] sphery: I also don't understand the cp -pR "$file" in for file in $(find "$1" -path '*/.svn' -prune -or ! -type d -print); do
[21:52:55] jams: AIX might cause you trouble.
[21:53:03] sphery: why the recursion?
[21:53:54] jams: maybe it was an old habit
[21:54:49] sphery: probably good enough for now, though... I know some users are using dash, so I didn't want a bash-specific script there.
[21:54:58] sphery: thanks for the info
[21:55:49] jams: thought dash supported it as well, but could be wrong.
[21:56:31] jruppal: Hey guys, I am going to build a myth box, and was originally going to buy a Hauppauge HD PVR to use to get the digital cable onto the myth pc, but I noticed that on the set-top box that Time Warner gave me (Scientific Atlanta Explorer 4240HDC), it has firewire and USB connectors. Would I be able to get away with just using this instead? Does Myth Support it?
[21:57:38] sphery: jams: yeah, that's what I understood your comments to mean. I guess, though, if it doesn't work, we'll hear about it.
[21:57:52] [R]: jruppal: usb is useless firewire is probably gonna get you only locals if that
[21:58:16] sphery: jruppal: but it's /definitely/ worth testing first
[21:58:33] sphery: jruppal: and Myth supports capture via firewire, so if your cable co is nice...
[21:58:52] jams: dash is one of those shells that doesn't have a good reason to exist.
[21:59:10] sphery: agreed
[22:01:20] jams: if that d didn't stand for debian, nobody would care about it.
[22:01:40] jruppal: does anyone know if there have been people who have successfully used that Scientific Atlanta Explorer? If not, I should be all set if I go with that Hauppauge HD PVR instead, right?
[22:02:08] [R]: jruppal: it depends 100% on your local cable company
[22:02:29] [R]: jruppal: yes, the hdpvr works great, but you either need nvidia or a very powerful cpu to watch hd
[22:03:20] sphery: jams: that's what the d is for... did they fork bash for some reason?
[22:03:40] jams: it's an "ash" replacement
[22:04:01] jams: smaller then bash but better then ash
[22:04:02] sphery: ahhh
[22:04:50] jruppal: [R]: I'm planning on using an older dual-core AMD processor, but I was also looking at this video card: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127412
[22:05:01] jruppal: [R]: will that card cut it?
[22:05:23] [R]: yup
[22:05:29] [R]: any nvidia 8400 and up is fine
[22:05:34] [R]: also onboard 8200/8300
[22:05:57] jruppal: sweet...I was hoping to get away without needing the HD PVR (expensive), but oh well
[22:06:07] [R]: i paid $50 for my 8400, freakin PCI slot
[22:06:23] sphery: I recommend going the really-powerful CPU approach--even if you get a VDPAU-capable NVIDIA card
[22:06:42] jruppal: +sphery: why is that?
[22:08:01] sphery: because if you use software decoding, you're not at the mercy of the unmodifiable drivers for playback--i.e. you can play back anything, even if the drivers don't support it or if the stream is damaged and causes your system to lock up with VDPAU or ...
[22:08:40] sphery: My myth frontend box is the most powerful system I own.
[22:09:48] jruppal: +sphery: yeah, I was just going to make it out of an AMD X2 3800+, 4GB of RAM, and the above video card....mainly because I already have the processor, motherboard, and RAM lying around.
[22:10:00] sphery: jams: heh, so it turns out busybox's ash is a derivative of dash, which is a derivative of NetBSD's ash...  :)
[22:10:28] Dagmar: Not suprising since that's also a chronological list
[22:10:30] sphery: jruppal: you may be happy with it, even if you're forced to use VDPAU
[22:10:40] Dagmar: Why would you want to rewrite a _minimalist_ shell if you didn't have to
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[22:11:58] sphery: jruppal: note, though, that the stable version of myth does not support /either/ VDPAU or HD-PVR, so you'll need to either run trunk (meaning do all your homework so you know which parts don't work and don't waste time with invalid bug reports) or wait for 0.22 to be released (which should be "soon"--ideally before Oct)
[22:12:53] sphery: Dagmar: it was the ephemeral "d" I found humorous
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[22:45:04] xguru: does mythtv work with xbox360?
[22:45:34] sphery: MythTV supports UPnP serving of videos (in MythVideo) or recordings (from MythTV)
[22:46:23] sphery: however, XBox 360 UPnP support is garbage as it won't allow playback of MPEG-2 videos unless they're wrapped in MS "approved by MS Windows" DRM stuff (i.e. must be in a MS container and certain other constraints)
[22:46:45] sphery: so, basically, MythTV /TV/ recordings can not be accessed on an XBox 360
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[22:47:06] sphery: xguru: http://blogs.msdn.com/xboxteam/archive/2007/1 . . . ack-faq.aspx
[22:47:14] xguru: yea i read on the site that it supports UPnP, but "this feature has not been verified to work on every avaiable UPnP client" so i was just wondering if it was possible before investing time
[22:47:24] xguru: so .avi does work
[22:47:41] sphery: avi works if the video contained within is in a supported format
[22:48:11] sphery: but, really, your best bet with Myth is to use a MythTV mythfrontend for taking advantage of all of Myth's features
[22:48:45] xguru: i only need something to stream to the xbox, which doesn't seem possible...
[22:48:54] sphery: with UPnP you lose commercial skipping, integrated OSD with recording/video metadata, and may lose things like timestretch and other niceties
[22:49:38] sphery: If you only need something to stream to the xbox, you either need Microsoft Windows Media Player or if you're willing to live with the UPnP implementations, any UPnP server in existence.
[22:49:59] xguru: oh great...i swear Microsoft is a bitch
[22:50:15] sphery: All your media are belong to us!
[22:50:23] sphery: (where us = MS)
[22:50:51] xguru: can i use wine to accomplish this?
[22:51:03] sphery: er, I meant, "willing to live with the UPnP /limitations/"
[22:51:26] sphery: I don't know about that. I'd be very surprised if a sufficiently-new WMP would work in Wine and allow it.
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[22:53:06] sphery: looks like WMP 11 or the Zune software
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[23:22:19] jruppal: Hi, I was in here earlier asking about a hauppauge HD PVR for getting HD cable onto my myth machine. Is there any good alternative to the HD PVR, like a tuner card?
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[23:37:26] sphery: jruppal: Myth can only do unencrypted video (either unencrypted by a set-top box or, if you're lucky and don't live in the US, unencrypted by a hardware CAM used with a tuner card that supports the CAM). Assuming you're in the US, you can plug in any QAM-capable tuner card and tune any of the unencrypted channels. Since the cable co's only have to carry a few ("must carry") channels unencrypted (generally a few of the locals ...
[23:37:32] sphery: ... that you could get via an antenna), many cable co's encrypt everything else.
[23:38:24] sphery: if that's the case, you can generally get more channels with an antenna (and you don't have to pay the cable company for the privilege)
[23:38:32] sphery: terrain permitting, of course
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