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Sunday, September 6th, 2009, 00:06 UTC

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elprespufferfish:

any idea why i get "FFTW support will not be included in MythMusic" in ./configure even though I'm passing --enable-fftw?

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wagnerrp:

you dont have fftw installed

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wagnerrp:

or at least configure cannot find it

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elprespufferfish:

any clues why it can't find it?

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iamlindoro:

also, because that's not the right configure option

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elprespufferfish:

really? what is?

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iamlindoro:

try: --enable-libfftw

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Dagmar:

I submit "because it's fairly useless anyway" as an alternative

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iamlindoro:

keep in mind your copy of libfftw must be: version 3, and the threaded version

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iamlindoro:

if it's not both, it won't work

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elprespufferfish:

threads, eh

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elprespufferfish:

i'll try rebuilding it with threading

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elprespufferfish:

iamlindoro, that did it. thanks a bunch

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pak0:

hi all people

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iamlindoro:

np

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pak0:

hmmm

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pak0:

i`m reading the wiki and i dont know what i have to do for watch hdtv

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pak0:

i have a good pc, and all on mythtv ready

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pak0:

i can wach all channels but no channels hd

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pak0:

on my tv yes

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pak0:

i have to do something specially?

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elprespufferfish:

argh, now the build fails :0

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johannes_:

pak0 I dont know if you have to run trunk, or if fixes works to, but you should try that first

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Graham:

Argh my PVR just quit, the back end log says 2009-09–05 19:41:07.003 AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 2.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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Graham:

*********************** WARNING ***********************

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Graham:

ivtv drivers prior to 0.10.0 can cause lockups when

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Graham:

reading VBI. Drivers between 0.10.5 and 1.0.3+ do not

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Graham:

properly capture VBI data on PVR-250 and PVR-350 cards.

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Graham:

2009-09–05 19:41:12.217 MPEGRec(/dev/video1) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

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Graham:

2009-09–05 19:41:13.520 TVRec(4): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None

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Graham:

2009-09–05 19:41:17.426 MPEGRec(/dev/video1) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

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Graham:

2009-09–05 19:41:17.635 Finished recording Cops "Police Pullovers No. 5": channel 1027

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wagnerrp:

anyone around for a kick?

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Graham:

Can't find the answer in the forums

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Dagmar:

Good thing this IRC client auto-ignores

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wagnerrp:

i meant kick you... dont past crap in here

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wagnerrp:

paste

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jamesd2:

Graham, was it working before?

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Graham:

Yes it was working till I hooked up a VCR

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Dagmar:

Hmm... I wonder if Greyfoxx has seen this cool new crash bug in Slackware

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Graham:

Then I unpluged it thinkign it was that

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Graham:

And it still borked

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Graham:

It is Mythbuntu and i updated a few days ago but it was fine

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Graham:

You know I think it might be the new Kernel, I just rebooted after the update and I think the last update installed a new kernel which I did not reboot till earlier

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Graham:

WHen I was trying to get the VCR to work

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johannes_:

Graham choose an older kernel in grub and have a try with that

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iamlindoro:

Effin. Comcast.

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superdump:

i got everything working again by using EIT for the source instead of XMLTV

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superdump:

at least the guide gets populated now

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** superdump sleeps **

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** iamlindoro promises to get superdump's XMLTV working if superdump will give iamlindoro HE-AAC ;) **

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superdump:

ooo :)

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wagnerrp:

its like youre trading STDs over there

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iamlindoro:

acronym soup!

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iamlindoro:

http://aspergers.dasaku.net/wp-content/upload . . . ing-card.jpg

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: do people who play magic ever have the chance to get STDs?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I never played, but that card is still awesome :)

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: I'm sure at least a few of them have had Mono once

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iamlindoro:

OK, here's my problem w/ the travel channel:

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iamlindoro:

National Lampoon's European Vacation (1985, PG-13, ★★)

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iamlindoro:

Tell me it's *that* hard to fill a few hours a day w/ shows about actual travel that are NOT food shows

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sphery:

OK, so this has been bugging me /all/ day long. You know how normally if you hover over the Google logo when it's a special logo, they pop up a tooltip explaining why it's different? Did they not do the tooltip today /because/ today's event is "Unexplained Phenomenon" or is it a mistake or ???

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iamlindoro:

I think your explanation is the likely one

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sphery:

I hope they say so tomorrow or something...

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wagnerrp:

the google frontpage is some fugly code

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sphery:

their 2004 home page is now a /patented/ design...

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wagnerrp:

i saw that

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wagnerrp:

its probably pretty simple code

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wagnerrp:

but it has no endlines

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sphery:

Seems some people think it may have done today's event becaus of the release of District 9... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/google/ . . . -doodle.html

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iamlindoro:

the release of D9.. weeks ago?

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wagnerrp:

well today... Voyager 1 was launched, Discovery landed after its first flight

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sphery:

hmmm... that was dated 5 Sep and said "Yesterday's release"--maybe released yesterday in the UK?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: check out the links on the first comment of that article

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wagnerrp:

apparently there were some UFOs over moscow yesterday

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sphery:

wow...

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sphery:

Well, they look like weather balloons--or maybe swamp gas--to me...

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wagnerrp:

poor England.... even Kazakhstan got to watch District 9 before you...

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wagnerrp:

well this is certainly interesting

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wagnerrp:

in the code for the frontpage... 'onload="window.lol&&lol()"'

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notlistening:

iamlindoro, should i just posts a bug report?

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iamlindoro:

notlistening, no, you should get a real backtrace

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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notlistening:

right i am on it

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notlistening:

iamlindoro, I assume the weekly build as built with debug symbols?

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iamlindoro:

doubtful

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notlistening:

oh :P

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notlistening:

nope none urgh more work than i expected

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sphery:

generally it's built with debug symbols kept in a separate packaqe

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sphery:

as described on that page

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sphery:

however, someone needs to fill in the *buntu details so people don't have to ask here

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sphery:

(someone, that is, who knows and figures out what repo/package/...)

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sphery:

notlistening: hint, hint...

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notlistening:

well there you go what a nice job for moi

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iamlindoro:

It's that or fix the bug ;)

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iamlindoro:

(if, in fact, it's a bug)

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notlistening:

yeah okay ;)

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sphery:

note, when searching for logged text in a file, if you're searching in the wrong file, you might not find it...

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iamlindoro:

sphery, it's that kind of timeless advice that has us keeping you around

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sphery:

Yeah... I just like to let people know the things I learn. That one took me about an hour to figure out.

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iamlindoro:

dovetails nicely with my lesson of the week, "don't chmod -R 766 /"

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sphery:

Well, on *buntu, that couldn't ever be a problem... Not without sudo. :)

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iamlindoro:

heh, wasn't on Ubuntu, was on a distro that doesn't pretend root doesn't exist ;)

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wagnerrp:

of course you can always rewrite chmod to prevent that

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wagnerrp:

like they seem to have with rm

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wagnerrp:

add a windows style 'are you sure you want to destroy everything?'

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sphery:

I thought that was just a patch added by some distros...

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wagnerrp:

i dont know, ive just heard about it

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wagnerrp:

ive never bothered to actually try it myself

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sphery:

I have a dev box which has nothing important on it

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notlistening:

rm -rf / on ubuntu aint happening

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sphery:

but if I tried on the dev box, I might not have a dev box after...

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wagnerrp:

of course with fs-level snapshotting, i could blow away my whole server and recover it within seconds

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notlistening:

but find / * --delete works a treat :D

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wagnerrp:

lets give it a shot...

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sphery:

I only take snapshots of my OS when it's a baby... Once they grow up, they're just not that cute, so I don't really care to keep taking pics...

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notlistening:

umm about mythtv-debuginfo do we know this exist somewhere for ubuntu?

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sphery:

or maybe it's just because I no longer have an only-OS

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sphery:

now that I've got them running around all over the house...

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sphery:

notlistening: we know it exists for -fixes

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iamlindoro:

definitely exists for the release

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iamlindoro:

for trunk, meh, if it doesn't, you're expected to be able to build it yourself ;)

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sphery:

me assumes it exists for trunk (as it would likely be harder to change the build tools to /not/ do it than to do it)

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notlistening:

ok well i will hunt if not build it myslef and add it to a peronal ppa

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sphery:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/398363

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wagnerrp:

now lets give this a try....

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iamlindoro:

That said, we have at least two devs w/ DVB-T HDHRs actually working on the channel scanner, so my suspicion is that there's some sort of library brokenness issue

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wagnerrp:

rm: cannot remove root directory '/'

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notlistening:

hehe ;)

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wagnerrp:

i scanned just fine a couple weeks ago

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wagnerrp:

although i cant remember if i used my HDHR or 1250

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wagnerrp:

of course that is the ATSC version too

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notlistening:

aah yeah ;ast weeke build worked half okay ;)

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iamlindoro:

and two weeks ago was an age ago for the channel scanner

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iamlindoro:

even a week ago is

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iamlindoro:

AFAIK the mythbuntu devs bumped the trunk builds up to daily

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wagnerrp:

oh? two weeks ago it was working FAR better than it was two months ago

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notlistening:

yeah it looks and works nicer now ;)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, the last two weeks have been very very busy for the scanner

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wagnerrp:

guess im not paying close enough attention to remember what has been going on in the last 600 commits

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wagnerrp:

thats about two weeks worth, right?

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iamlindoro:

heh, it's funny that .21->22 represents over 25% of the total revisions

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yep... in GNU coreutils 7.5: error (0, 0, _("cannot remove root directory %s"), quote (filename));

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sphery:

might be in earlier ones, too, but it's definitely in current upstream

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sphery:

wow... if (m_progLists[m_watchGroupLabel].size() > 1)

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sphery:

finally

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iamlindoro:

>=, done!

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sphery:

had to read basically the first 1459 lines, line-by-line to find that one

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iamlindoro:

ouchy

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHAH

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wagnerrp:

check out the first item in the changelog.... http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=126369

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

http://xkcd.com/619/

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sphery:

the fact that we had another if (m_progLists[m_watchGroupLabel].size() > 1) 300 lines earlier was the first part of the problem--I found that one and assumed it was the problem... After I realized it wasn't, I didn't even hit n to find the next occurrence of the search (where i got there searching for m_progLists[m_watchGroupLabel )

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iamlindoro:

(for those too lazy to find it)

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wagnerrp:

i should get back to working on this export script... i planned on having something working last week

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wagnerrp:

and someone really needs to fix the old man's car across the street

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wagnerrp:

gah... it hurts me every time he pulls out of the driveway

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wagnerrp:

ssscccreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeechhhhhh

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sphery:

Ok, first, Dustin Diamond isn't /that/ old. And, second, you live across the street from Dustin Diamond? Wow!

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iamlindoro:

!trout sphery SBTB

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** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a SBTB trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

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Gav8in:

wagner, what's wrong with his car?

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Gav8in:

brakes? clutch?

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wombo:

fan belt?

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sphery:

garbage can on the side of the driveway?

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Gav8in:

heh

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Gav8in:

almost no car has a fan belt anymore. it's all serpentine belts with automatic tensioners

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Gav8in:

if they squeel, it's seriously time to replace that thing

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wagnerrp:

im guessing the serp belt

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gizmobay:

In trunk, does viewing google videos through mythnews work?

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wagnerrp:

if you mean opening mythbrowser through mythnews, i believe so

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gizmobay:

hmm none of the videos work for me

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gizmobay:

I did view one from linux journal and it worked

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gizmobay:

oh I looked at the log progress count is higher than total

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iamlindoro:

gizmobay, when you open a ticket please don't do it as anonymous

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iamlindoro:

if information is required, we can't contact you

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gizmobay:

okay

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wagnerrp:

so do old tickets get shifted to 'unknown' when the milestone they were attached to gets deleted?

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iamlindoro:

don't think so

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wagnerrp:

im just looking at the 2713 closed unknown tickets

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iamlindoro:

think those are all tickets someone closed w/o updating the milestone

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iamlindoro:

since the default is unknown

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wagnerrp:

of course that means there are some 4100 or so tickets unlisted on the roadmap

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wagnerrp:

so i guess youre right

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gbee:

wagnerrp: milestones don't get deleted, they are merely hidden when 'completed', if you got to the Roadmap view you can un-hide completed milestones

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gbee:

and many invalid tickets are never given a milestone, that probably accounts for the majority of those with an 'unknown' milestone

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janneg:

I try to remember to delete the milestone when closing a ticket as invalid

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gbee:

bbc news headline "Passengers braced for rail chaos" – how's that different from any other day?

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gbee:

janneg: you might be interested in the new build warning

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gbee:

think it's Daniel's mistake, but he won't be up for a while yet

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speedpat:

Hi all, I'm trying to get a Haupauge HVR-1300 (DVB-T) running with MythTV. The card works, I can scan/tzap and also view with mplayer/kaffeine. But I'm unable to scan for channels in mythtv-setup, never get a "lock".

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\malex\:

i know i'm missing something obvious, but where do i setup child videos in mythvideo? i have some movies that are broken into parts, and i could have sworn there was a way to set the second part as a child to the first part, so it plays automatically. i'm using an svn checkout from a few days ago

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mzb:

\malex\, video manager, edit metadata ... errr ... hmm ... I'm lost too

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gbee:

'File to always play next'

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gbee:

not going to question how the video was split into two parts in the first place

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sphery:

we'll just have to assume that it's common for some ripping programs to automatically break rips into 2 parts (maybe Windows rippers or something) since no one on here would be stealing the videos.

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sphery:

\malex\: though, really, the /best/ and /easiest/ approach is to stick the DVD back into the drive and re-rip it, this time, as a /single/ video file.

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lyricnz:

sphery: my recording problem might actually be a failing disk. got some messages in dmesg, and just had a crash/hang while watching a recording (twice in the same place)

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lyricnz:

Unfortunately disk is a LBA set, so reinstalling/moving stuff around is a bit of a headache.

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wombo:

Are you the person who had an overheating HDD earlier?

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lyricnz:

Nope, the person with the random fail-to-records

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wombo:

ahh ok

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clever:

that reminds me, i need to freeze my half-dead drive to get the files out

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sphery:

lyricnz: :( failing HDD are a pain. Good luck with it.

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lyricnz:

My mythbox is a horrible collection of old disks, because I'm too slack to reinstall

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lyricnz:

2x200, 2x320, 2x750 and 2x1000

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lyricnz:

It's one of the 320s that are dead, unfortunately the first four disks described above are the myth recording volume, and system root :/

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lyricnz:

I look on myself, the only spares sitting waiting to go ,are another 2x320

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wombo:

thats crap

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** lyricnz 's storage is mostly .... not recordings. **

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wombo:

a pair of 1TBs can be had cheaply these days

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gbee:

LBA? Or did you mean LVM?

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lyricnz:

Yes, lvm

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wombo:

possibly rebuild a new system on a new pair then migrate the old stuff in

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lyricnz:

wombo: yeah, I know – but it's the hassle, not the price

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wombo:

yeah

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gbee:

see, now I feel vindicated for telling everyone not to use LVM instead of storage groups

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wombo:

I have the same problem, so I just go bugger it. wipe the lot and start again once per year

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lyricnz:

When the box was built, there probably were no storage groups.

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lyricnz:

This machine is certainly over five years old, maybe 7 or so

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lyricnz:

It's had CPU/MB upgrade since then, but basically nothing

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gbee:

lyricnz: sure, just that since the addition of storage groups there have been a lot of people still keen to use LVM for some reason

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lyricnz:

So... I never looked at these. Can I just add a new group to another partition, and set it higher priority?

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lyricnz:

In mythtvsetup, or mythfe?

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lyricnz:

I'll just move the storage to one of the other disks, and ignore the problem for another year ;)

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lyricnz:

Since it's the last disk in a VG, maybe I can just lower the disk usage enough to drop it from the set :)

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wombo:

General question for programming people. Would you prefer to put analysis code in DB triggers so it only runs when source data is updated or run a periodic (5–10mins) update via an analysis program.

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janneg:

wombo: depends how often the source data is updated and the what kind of analysis is run

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gbee:

wombo: broad answer, the first option, assuming it's asynchronous to the actual DB insertion/update/deletion and it should be rate limited, e.g. first change triggers a timer, subsequent changes occurring while that timer runs are ignored (they don't reset the timer) and when the timer expires then the 'analysis' is done

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wombo:

For 75% it should hardly ever change, the rest could update every minute. But if the data does change the status updates need to be reasonably fast.

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gbee:

so a batch of changes in under a minute or five are considered as one, but you aren't polling for hours when no changes occur

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wombo:

hmm

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gbee:

and that's just how I'd do it

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wombo:

ok more research needed then thanks fellas

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gbee:

this 'analysis' is statistical information relating to the database contents at that moment?

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wombo:

status information that is coming from historian and MSSQL DB for various different systems. There will also be a seperate OLAP component for longer term analysis

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wombo:

Basically it will 'rollup' various different status fields for different products into a single windows

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wombo:

< window

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_ben:

mmm, anyone feel like helping me with my sound problem :p

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_ben:

got onboard sound (P5E-VM HDMI) and an nvidia 9500gt

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_ben:

trying to use the onboard spdif pass thru so i can use hdmi on the nvidia card

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_ben:

not getting any sort of sound and i'm a bit stuck

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wombo:

I cant remember exaclty

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wombo:

but I remember you had to enable the interface

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_ben:

mm, everything is unmuted in alsa-mixer (this is ubuntu btw)

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Guest95232:

scanning on my dvb-t card fails, if I change the frequency to an invalid value I get the following line in dmesg: DVB: adapter 0 frontend -1 frequency 57800000 out of range (177000000..858000000). seems that mythtv doesn't open the proper frontend

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wombo:

_ben, sorry I cant be more help, but google something about enabling interfaces in linux

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_ben:

i shall

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_ben:

ta

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wombo:

actually

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wombo:

_ben, it might also be muted, sometimes those interfaces are

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dustybin:

http://johnwilker.com/j/UserFiles/Image/pcmaclinux.jpg

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Guest95232:

anyone has a clue why mythtv-setup cant scan for the dvb.t channels=

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wombo:

Guest95232, Trunk or .21?

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Guest95232:

.21

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wombo:

are you doing a full scan?

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Guest95232:

mythbuntu with a (haupauge) HVR-1300

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wombo:

im not sure sorry, but you could try a command line tool to see if you are getting a signal

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Guest95232:

yes, tried all types of scan, w_scan works, also tzap, and kaffeine/mplayer

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Guest95232:

the problem only arises if i try to scan from mythtv

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Guest95232:

Is there a possibility to add channels manually? I have 5 channels on 1 transponder:

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Guest95232:

SF1:578000000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_AUTO:FEC_AUTO:QAM_AUTO:TRANSMIS SION_MODE_AUTO:GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO:HIERARCHY_AUTO:160:80:1

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Guest95232:

SF2:578000000:INVERSION_AUTO:BANDWIDTH_8_MHZ:FEC_AUTO:FEC_AUTO:QAM_AUTO:TRANSMIS SION_MODE_AUTO:GUARD_INTERVAL_AUTO:HIERARCHY_AUTO:163:92:2

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Guest95232:

the values at the end of the line seem not match a column in the channels table

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_ben:

wombo: trying to figure out how you get PCM out http://alsa.opensrc.org/images/7/70/Alsamixer_pcmout.png

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_ben:

not even sure if i'm headed in the right direction, heh

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wombo:

_ben, ahh that it

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wombo:

I had to enable IEC958

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wombo:

run alsamixer in the command line, then probably scroll to the right

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_ben:

all my iec958's are unmuted if thats what you mean?

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wombo:

highlight it then press 'm' to unmute it

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wombo:

ahh crap

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_ben:

yeah

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wombo:

thats all I had to do for mine

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_ben:

just reading http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php/DigitalOut

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wombo:

im all out of ideas then sorry

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_ben:

:D

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wombo:

actually on that page you linked, scroll about 75% down the page to 'Set your default'

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wombo:

Have you checked that out?

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wombo:

Also check the Mythtv wiki and/or mythbuntu forum there might be a gem in there

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wombo:

Also have you enabled AC3 passthrough in Mythtv?

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_ben:

just trying to get sound with aplay first

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drellok:

hi guys, I get the error "EntryToProgram(0@??? ??? 1 03:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo" while starting mythfrontend. any ideas how to fix this?

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ajs:

Hopefully this isn't too noob a question but I installed mythfrontend from Debian packages and the OSD fonts appear to be missing

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laga:

install msttcorefonts

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ajs:

They weren't installed but I installed, restarted, and there's still no fonts

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ajs:

The log says stuff like "Unable to find font:" (with nothing after it)

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ajs:

So I checked the theme and it loads say "notifyfont"

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ajs:

So I grepped the source and there's no hits outside of the themes, so how is that being mapped to a real font?

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lyricnz:

Is Jarod not updating myth rpms much anymore?

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ajs:

Okay fwiw I figured it out, it's storing the fonts in the mythconverg database, settings table, and it needed FreeMono.ttf on Debian which is in the ttf-freefont package.

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_ben:

mmm, wonder if i have some broken hardware somewhere

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nighthawk_:

is there a simple way of determining if audio is playing on the system via alsa?

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_ben:

you want to test sound?

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nighthawk_:

no, I want to know if sound is being played

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nighthawk_:

and if it isn't I can send a cmd via rs232 to turn off my stereo

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nighthawk_:

setup a cron job or something to power it down on idle, save power

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clever:

lsof could be used

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clever:

lsof -n|grep snd

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nighthawk_:

that does appear to work :D

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nighthawk_:

and I can query $? after

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nighthawk_:

I was thinking setup a cronjob to run at 1am, but if for some reason I'm up late watching a movie, I don't want it to nuke sound right in the middle

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clever:

youll want to refine the grep a little more

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clever:

to hide the mixer devices, gnome-panel and alsamixer hold them open 24/7

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nighthawk_:

I'm not running any of that

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clever:

then you can add -q to the grep and use $?

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nighthawk_:

whats -q?

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clever:

makes it totaly silent so it doesnt output the results

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nighthawk_:

ah, cool

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nighthawk_:

that is a good one to know

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nighthawk_:

I can test for /dev/snd

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clever:

you could also modify it a little to test for oss

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clever:

egrep 'dev/dsp|dev/snd'

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nighthawk_:

my setup is pretty stripped down, only mplayer or myth should access audio, and only via alsa

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clever:

good:)

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nighthawk_:

is mythfrontend the process that would show up playing tv audio or mythmusic playback?

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clever:

mythmusic runs within the frontend process

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nighthawk_:

now I just need to finish writing the C library to control a sony receiver via rs232, and build an alsa filter to translate volume commands

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clever:

nice

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clever:

digital amp?

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nighthawk_:

yeah, hand me down sony da7es from the old man

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nighthawk_:

he got some hdmi capable whatever the hot brand is now

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clever:

addjusting the volume in the amp would in theory give better quality

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clever:

no need to decode&recode the ac3 in the cpu

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nighthawk_:

I'm outputting via toslink, so I can't do any audio adjustment via mplayer

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clever:

ah, your forced to go the better quality route

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nighthawk_:

yeah, exactly

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nighthawk_:

the docs for the protocol are translated to english by japanese engineers

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nighthawk_:

figuring out how the checksum byte was defined was a little bit of a puzzle

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clever:

what file format are the original docs?

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nighthawk_:

PDF

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clever:

ah

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clever:

ive got a firefox based japanese->eng dictionary tool

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nighthawk_:

it is all in english, but written by the sony guys in japan

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clever:

ah

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nighthawk_:

and it is all hex defined byte commands, so it is a little thinking invovled for mere mortals

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clever:

my STB should have some serial control on it, but the program does nothing

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wombo:

Clever, what is that tool? I work for a Japanese company and it would be massively useful

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clever:

wombo: rikai-chan

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clever:

once enabled, you just point at a japanese character and it pops up a dictionary entry for it

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wombo:

can it do sentences?

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clever:

you have to point to each character 1 at a time, or hit n to move to the next character

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wombo:

ahh ok

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wombo:

installing now, thanks

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clever:

its meant to help with the odd word you dont know, but can be used to translate whole sentences

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wombo:

yeah

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nighthawk_:

the sony doc says: Checksum byte: A value from which 8 bits of low ranks of the sum from bc to CS are set to 0

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wombo:

I really need a tool that can translate webpages for me, but within our intranet

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nighthawk_:

so wtf does that mean? :-P I did figure it out eventually

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wombo:

I might have a google around tomorrow to see if I can find somethign

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clever:

nighthawk_: it helps when they include examples like the input stream and checksum

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nighthawk_:

I dont think the doc had a single complete example

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nighthawk_:

basically they meant add the lower 8 bits of the input byte blocks

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nighthawk_:

or something like that

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nighthawk_:

I think it was actually add all the bytes, and take the first 8 bits from the resulting int

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clever:

i can get my STB to spew garbage out its serial port, if i open it up and type random stuff

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clever:

but it ignores all attemps to change the channel

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f0urtyfive:

is their a way to watch live TV on a remote frontend?

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f0urtyfive:

all I seem to get is my recordings

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f0urtyfive:

w/ no option for live

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clever:

f0urtyfive: it should simply work

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f0urtyfive:

peculiar.

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f0urtyfive:

I get no option on my remote frontend for live

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clever:

its simply 'watch tv' on the first menu

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f0urtyfive:

Yeah, its not there.

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clever:

it should be there even if the tuners arent setup right

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clever:

should always be there

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f0urtyfive:

I have no tuner in that machine... let me see if I can vnc to it.

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f0urtyfive:

yeah on my home screen the first thing is "Watch Recordings"

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f0urtyfive:

Upcoming recordsings, schedule, recording, system status, utilities/setup

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clever:

'watch recordings' has never been on the top menu, enless they moved things arround since my last update

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clever:

thats under media for me

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simcop2387:

is there any way to say "record this program, but only on tuner 2?"

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simcop2387:

or at least prefer tuner 2

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simcop2387:

while having other prefer tuner 1

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clever:

when editing a recording rule, you can set a prefered tuner

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simcop2387:

hmm i must keep missing that i'll have to look again

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clever:

the menu layout also depends on the theme

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sphery:

f0urtyfive: You've probably chosen the DVR /menu/ theme

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sphery:

i.e. there are 3 menu themes (DVR, classic, and default) distributed with Myth and you're using the one for people who have figured out how to use Myth (i.e. who never use LiveTV :)

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f0urtyfive:

ah

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f0urtyfive:

yes I believe it is setup on dvr

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f0urtyfive:

thnx sphery

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f0urtyfive:

Now for my next problem, crappy signal :D

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nighthawk_:

is the guy doing Graphite planning an OSD theme?

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janneg:

only after the osd is converted to mythui

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nighthawk_:

oh, I thought it already way, my bad

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nighthawk_:

s/way/was

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dustybin:

clever: have you ever messed around with asterisk?

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f0urtyfive:

have a production asterisk system...

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f0urtyfive:

I*

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clever:

dustybin: nope, only voip ive used is skype

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dustybin:

you can bypass expensive cellphone tariffs using asterisk

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clever:

yeah, with the right hardware, i could route my phonecalls thru the internet and into the home land line

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dustybin:

exactly

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dustybin:

it costs localrate to ring my asterisk pbx

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clever:

yep

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dustybin:

if 2 of my friends use cellphones, they could both ring into it, enter a conference room

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dustybin:

bypassing expensive cellphone > cellphone tariffs

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clever:

with the right software you can even make it a nightmare for telemarketers

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dustybin:

yep

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clever:

wont you need 2 incoming feeds for both phones to come in, or are you just going to treat it as a 3-way?

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dustybin:

clever: IAX2 uses 1 port, that is how im connected to my VOIP provider

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clever:

what i was thinking, is

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clever:

analog phone->your hardware->internet->you

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clever:

is that what you meant?

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dustybin:

at home i am using a softphone, what uses IAX2 to connect to Asterisk

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dustybin:

if a friend calls from outside, he first connects to my VOIP provider, then my VOIP provider connects to my asterisk server

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dustybin:

then the call is routed to my softphone

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clever:

IAX2?

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dustybin:

i now plan to get a proper hardware phone

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dustybin:

yes

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clever:

and that is?

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dustybin:

i am using zoiper

[18:37:13]

dustybin:

when i get a hardware phone, it will more than likely be SIP, but it doesnt matter

[18:38:05]

clever:

which parts of the connection are voip and what are POTS?

[18:38:17]

dustybin:

what are POTS?

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wagnerrp:

hes saying nothing is POTs

[18:38:35]

wagnerrp:

his only home phone is through his VOIP provider

[18:38:42]

wagnerrp:

no FXS card

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dustybin:

yep, i dont use analogue at all

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clever:

ahh

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dustybin:

what would be the point

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wagnerrp:

erm... no FXO

[18:39:13]

clever:

so its basicaly acting like a proxy between voip protocols/systems?

[18:39:20]

dustybin:

yes

[18:39:22]

clever:

ahhh

[18:39:36]

clever:

so you have no real limit on incoming calls

[18:39:47]

dustybin:

VOIP PROVIDER >>> HOME ASTERISK PBX >>> SOFT/HARDWARE VOIP PHONES

[18:39:58]

wagnerrp:

im sure the VOIP provider doesnt give him unlimited lines

[18:39:59]

clever:

i see now

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dustybin:

clever: no limit at all, incoming is free

[18:40:07]

dustybin:

you dont even have to pay for that

[18:40:09]

clever:

nice

[18:40:23]

clever:

with skype, the only free part is skype->skype calls

[18:40:30]

dustybin:

but i will use it for outgoing as well, as the rates are good

[18:40:41]

clever:

anything that deals with the old numbered system is non-free

[18:40:54]

clever:

not shure what the deal is with skype->other voip

[18:40:58]

dustybin:

clever: if all my friends download zoiper softphone, they can all connect directly to my asterisk box

[18:41:10]

dustybin:

and that will be free

[18:41:16]

clever:

yeah, thats basicaly bypassing the voip provider

[18:41:20]

dustybin:

yep

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clever:

basicaly doing the same thing as skype, p2p voip with the right software at both ends

[18:41:44]

dustybin:

yes

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AndyCap:

but that's like stealing from the provider. :P

[18:42:02]

dustybin:

:D

[18:42:17]

clever:

AndyCap: so if i have a voice convo on MSN, i'm stealing from the phone co? :P

[18:42:24]

AndyCap:

clever: yes!

[18:42:42]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: i like how you think, and want to subscribe to your newsletter

[18:43:12]

wagnerrp:

dustybin: dont you brits have bandwidth caps?

[18:43:22]

dustybin:

erm, im not sure

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dustybin:

im using ulaw codec, doesnt use too much bandwidth

[18:44:18]

clever:

dustybin: in the past, ive ran analog phones from my own box

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clever:

i basicaly feed ~27volts (i think) into the phone jack and plug in 3 phones

[18:45:07]

clever:

and then they work 'normaly'

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wagnerrp:

ive had the hardware to set up asterisk for the last two years

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wagnerrp:

clever: -48 volts

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clever:

i remember doing it with 3 9v batterys

[18:45:54]

wagnerrp:

maybe i should hook it up and get caller id working in myth....

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clever:

with a simple filter cap i can easily extract the audio for capture

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clever:

the only part i'm not really shure of, is how to safely 'inject' audio back into the analog line

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wagnerrp:

you go out and buy a cheap FXS box

[18:47:29]

clever:

thats too easy:P

[18:47:36]

wagnerrp:

thats the point

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wagnerrp:

you can buy a 2-line linksys ATA for $50

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wagnerrp:

why spend hours tinkering away on something you probably wont get working properly anyway

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wagnerrp:

or a single port Grandstream for $30

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wagnerrp:

two port grandstream for $40

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pak0:

hi all people, good night

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pak0:

i have a little question

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pak0:

i cant ear nothing from any channel on mythtv, but on xbmc i have sound on the only hd channel, i have the latest alsa drivers, is a problem with my capture really?

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laga:

do you have digital TV?

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wagnerrp:

what kind of capture?

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pak0:

yes

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pak0:

kworld

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wagnerrp:

if you are capturing with a digital tuner or mpeg encoder, there is almost certainly no problem with the captured stream

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pak0:

kworld dvb-t dual pci tv card with support for hd

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wagnerrp:

the kworld cards do not support HD

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pak0:

mine yes

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pak0:

i can wathc one channel on HD

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laga:

wagnerrp: it's dvb. the card does not care if it's HD or a pink unicorn

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wagnerrp:

laga: thats my point

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wagnerrp:

a digital stream is a digital stream, the kworld card just does a stream copy

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt care what resolution it is

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laga:

wagnerrp: ah, sorry. now i get what you mean

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pak0:

my english is too low

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pak0:

i only have sound in one channel, on the hd channel

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wagnerrp:

how are you outputting the sound?

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pak0:

bye spdif to the ampli

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pak0:

passtrought obiusly

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wagnerrp:

DVB supports multiple types of audio format right? (ATSC is AC3 only)

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wagnerrp:

try turning off all the passthrough options, so everything gets decoded to 2ch LPCM, and see if that works

[19:51:10]

pak0:

hmmm

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pak0:

ok

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pak0:

ill try it later, thank you

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** paperclip likes unicorns **

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paperclip:

You guys know anything about these pvr-500's I'm seeing without the rear bracket? must be surplus from some OEM box.. I wonder which one

[20:00:12]

paperclip:

http://www.getpartsonline.com/wintv-pvr-500.html

[20:02:55]

paperclip:

overstock.com lists the manufacturer as HP

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AndyCap:

HP m7640n according to a little googling.

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Dagmar:

That's a system pull with a non-atx backplate

[20:06:15]

iamlindoro:

Sure, use google, take all the fun out of it

[20:06:28]

paperclip:

heh

[20:06:31]

Dagmar:

$40 is a nice price for it

[20:06:53]

paperclip:

yeah.. overstock is only 48.44 delivered..

[20:07:07]

paperclip:

shame I only have one pci slot free

[20:07:15]

AndyCap:

make room. :P

[20:07:18]

Dagmar:

You'll have to remove the backplate to install it, so obviously you're going to have an air gap there, but it should work fine otherwise

[20:07:38]

paperclip:

yep.. i was thinking about drilling the blank plate to fit.

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Dagmar:

Maybe get creative with a spare backplate and a tapered reamer and drill

[20:08:15]

paperclip:

Dagmar: 9mm pistol and some cheap whiskey

[20:08:44]

paperclip:

i guess nobody wants NTSC gear anymore

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sid3windr:

anyone here happen to have experience with the firedtv under linux since the drivers were released?

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Graham:

I seem to have broken my install with the latest update I get the following error now when trying to watch live tv VIDIOCGMBUF:: Invalid argument google is not helping much. Any one have any idea where this error is even being created from?

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paperclip:

$37.49 delivered http://cgi.ebay.com/HAUPPAUGE%2fHP-WINTV-PVR- . . . cmdZViewItem

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paperclip:

sold

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Graham:

Is that a good card? In so far as people have found it reliable

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: are there actually no free programs capable of transcoding HDPVR recordings?

[20:30:50]

wagnerrp:

paperclip: apparently you can get a replacement bracket for those OEM cards from hauppauge

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, very late versions of avidemux do an okay job w/ it, provided the audio is AC3, and 720p... I'm uncertain what the status is of 1080i cut in AVIdmux right now

[20:30:56]

paperclip:

Graham: seems to be ok.. be aware that the bracket is not standard..

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nighthawk_:

ls

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iamlindoro:

.

[20:31:18]

iamlindoro:

..

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nighthawk_:

:P

[20:31:23]

iamlindoro:

furryporn/

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: just wondering about the person on -users wanting JAMU to run mythcommflag on all imported content

[20:31:32]

Graham:

Nothing I could not fix with the break, press and mill ;)

[20:31:34]

laga:

notfurryporn/

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paperclip:

wagnerrp: that's good news.. I was thinking about drilling one for air.. and possibly screwing it to the blank next to it for support

[20:31:37]

laga:

furrynotporn/

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I'm staying out of it since I too think it's a crazy idea (wondering if he means he's trying to generate a seektable, though)

[20:32:13]

paperclip:

tubesocks/

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wagnerrp:

well if he wants to generate a seektable, he should have said so in the email

[20:33:01]

wagnerrp:

im considering cobbling together some addition to #6680 to copy over cutlists

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paperclip:

wagnerrp: do you have a link where I would sign up to receive a bracket?

[20:33:48]

wagnerrp:

paperclip: nope, i just came across some message boards a while back with people claiming hauppauge would send them free replacement brackets

[20:34:14]

paperclip:

nice.. I'll email them..

[20:35:08]

Graham:

Are there any good half height TV tuner cards? I have a nice half height case but the PVR150s I have is a full height card so alas my myth box is in an old 15" tower

[20:35:35]

wagnerrp:

looks like recordedmarkup and filemarkup are identical, except for in index columns

[20:35:40]

wagnerrp:

s/in/the/

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wagnerrp:

Graham: what do you need to record?

[20:36:01]

Graham:

Just analg cable

[20:36:04]

Graham:

er analog

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Graham:

I have 2 PVR 150s right now

[20:36:29]

Graham:

Would be nice to get it into a smaller box is all

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wagnerrp:

like this... http://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_pvr150mclp.html ?

[20:37:15]

Graham:

That would do it

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Graham:

thanks

[20:37:18]

Shadow__X:

why cant cases with 10 3.5 bays be cheaper or maybe even 16 bays

[20:37:23]

wagnerrp:

theres a couple on ebay, but theyre not cheap

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Graham:

Shadow because you have jumped into server class

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Graham:

Mu old 15" works just fine

[20:38:16]

Graham:

Now if I could just figger out why the latest updates broke it that would be nice

[20:38:40]

Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: i was fine until you pasted the link to petabytes on a budget

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paperclip:

heh

[20:38:52]

Shadow__X:

ever since then i have contemplated making that case or a similair one

[20:38:56]

Graham:

That Slashdot story

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: Norco has some large cases for <$300

[20:39:09]

wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: someone else posted it, i was just discussing it

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paperclip:

i saw it on boing boing

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Graham:

Check your local recyling depot

[20:39:33]

Graham:

You usually can get just the case if you talk nice to em

[20:39:37]

pak0:

still not sound on my capture card

[20:39:40]

Graham:

Then rebuild with everything there

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Shadow__X:

ah ok yeah i think when i have the funds i may build a case liek that one but i rather have something like 15 20 drives not 45

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[R]:

does anyone have an ATI HDTV Wonder? I can't seem to get analog stuff to tune on it... but the wiki page suggests it possible... anyone know?

[20:40:22]

wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: Norco has a 16-bay 3U and a 20-bay 4U, both around $300

[20:40:34]

wagnerrp:

and an 8-bay 2U for under $200

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Graham:

Are you looking for rack mount?

[20:41:18]

wagnerrp:

Graham: whats the difference? you get a 3 or 4U, unscrew the front clips, and stand it on its side

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Graham:

Rackmount always costs more

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wagnerrp:

no, nice, well built, rugged cases always cost more

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** paperclip wonders why these resellers don't get the brackets from hauppage **

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wagnerrp:

you usually dont find crappy rackmount hardware

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Graham:

Point taken

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: haha, you wish. :P

[20:43:34]

wagnerrp:

anyway, if youre looking for a tower, check out the Lian LI V2000 and friends

[20:43:44]

wagnerrp:

they have 12 3.5" bays internally

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paperclip:

hmm.. I've had a paypal account since they launched.. and now they are forcing me to verify my account.. pitiful

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Shadow__X:

the norco rpc-470 is 80 bucks and handles 11 drives

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paperclip:

how much is a power supply that can support 11 drives?

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wagnerrp:

not much

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[R]:

paperclip: how mucnh money or how mnay watts?

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paperclip:

$$

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AndyCap:

paperclip: check how many amps of 12V and 5V your preferred drive wants and check how much the psu can deliver. :P

[20:49:28]

paperclip:

i suspect it more a limitation of wiring than watts..

[20:49:39]

wagnerrp:

i currently have two dual core machines, five tuners, two switches, a wireless AP, a firewall, a modem, and 16 drives using ~300W at the wall

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[R]:

who makes a case that can hold 11 drives?

[20:50:24]

wagnerrp:

[R] the case Shadow__X mentioned above

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Shadow__X:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811219020

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Shadow__X:

and pretty cheap too

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Shadow__X:

i might get that one

[20:50:52]

wagnerrp:

five behind each fan, another mounted elsewhere

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I have to read the one you just mentioned. I transcode HDPVR recordings all the time with Handbrake. Just change the container to MKV with ffmpeg first.

[20:51:37]

wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: you transcode them? or you clip and remux them?

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[R]:

its hard to tell... it can fit 12 drives?

[20:52:21]

wagnerrp:

[R]: it fits 11 drives. 5 behind each fan, and one above the 5.25" bays

[20:52:21]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Both lossless commercial cuts with Avidemux and transcode to smaller files with Handbrake.

[20:52:26]

[R]:

oh

[20:52:28]

[R]:

they have crappy pictures

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wagnerrp:

the pictures are just fine if you know what youre looking at

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[R]:

haha

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[R]:

i guess

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wagnerrp:

if you wanted to, you could put a 3-in-2 adapter in the 5.25" bays, for 14 drives

[20:54:42]

Graham:

Man if i had any hair I would pull it out!

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[R]:

so i'm trying to get analog working on this ati hdtv wonder... not having much luck

[20:55:28]

Dagmar:

Try using a search engine

[20:55:34]

[R]:

i tried the wiki

[20:55:37]

Dagmar:

There's a number of ATI cards that are utterly unsupported

[20:55:41]

[R]:

but i got nothing after scanning

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AndyCap:

or even a 5 in 3 drive adapter.

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[R]:

oh, it is supported, and digital works great

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Shadow__X:

[R]: it doesnt even have a mpeg encoder does it

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[R]:

Shadow__X: according to the docs no

[20:56:07]

Shadow__X:

its pointless then

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[R]:

rofl

[20:56:13]

Shadow__X:

analog will look horrible

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[R]:

its just a backup incase i want to record 2 things at once

[20:56:33]

Shadow__X:

get a supported card

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[R]:

or... i can just use what i have

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paperclip:

it would be nice to see a photo of that case populated with drives

[20:57:41]

wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: i wouldnt say that

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Shadow__X:

paperclip: which one the 470?

[20:57:58]

paperclip:

yup

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: what that its pointlesS?

[20:58:03]

wagnerrp:

i would say dicking around with framegrabbers, and trying to handle audio capture with them, is going to be a PITA

[20:58:07]

wagnerrp:

and not worth the effort

[20:58:33]

paperclip:

[R]: did you see the card i linked earlier?

[20:58:42]

wagnerrp:

its not a matter of quality, its a matter of preventing early onset baldness

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[R]:

paperclip: yes

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: ah very true

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paperclip:

i'm ordering one.. after i sell my soul to paypal

[20:59:25]

AndyCap:

paperclip: it's only money. :P and your credit score, and your life.

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[R]:

paperclip: i rarely watch anything but hd, but it's nice to have this as a backup incase i want to watch something on one of the analog channels when my main tuner is busy

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wagnerrp:

and apparently your immortal soul as well

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paperclip:

stupid site won't take my bank details..

[21:00:03]

Shadow__X:

thats alot of soul

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wagnerrp:

i remember asking in here about a year or two ago about just building seektables for everything in mythvideo

[21:00:38]

wagnerrp:

someone told me it was a bad idea

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GreyFoxx:

I've never had to build a seektable for anything I've played in mythvideo

[21:01:18]

Shadow__X:

same here

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wagnerrp:

i was having problems with stuff not fast forwarding properly above 3x

[21:01:47]

wagnerrp:

but building a seektable didnt fix that anyway

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GreyFoxx:

and I've been using the Internal player as my primary with mythvideo since 2006 or so

[21:02:22]

wagnerrp:

someone on users is claiming they have to do so for all nuvexport content

[21:02:31]

GreyFoxx:

Ahh, my "fast forward" is 30 second skip forward, not fast playback :)

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GreyFoxx:

30 second forward, 5 second back, and the arbitrary #+left/right

[21:06:05]

Graham:

Wow that was a major pain.... I guess when you do not tinker with the internals enough you forget everything. I seem to have solved mty problem thanks for the help

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Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Tried Slack 13 yet?

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Not yet, I downloaded it last night but haven't installed ityet

[21:08:42]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Yeah I've already found two fun things

[21:09:09]

Dagmar:

One being that my first custom kernel didn't work because for whatever reason, it didn't run depmod after the reboot

[21:09:17]

Dagmar:

The script is there... It just didn't seem to feel like running.

[21:09:28]

Dagmar:

The other one is cool. `vi anyfile.pl` segfaults

[21:09:32]

Dagmar:

So... elvis is broke

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_ben:

i have to build a seektable for any video i import

[21:09:46]

Dagmar:

_ben: Yes.

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GreyFoxx:

benc_: What kind of video ?

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GreyFoxx:

the ONLY situation I found that needed that was broken handbrake made mkv's

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** _ben checks **

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GreyFoxx:

which was easily fixed by fixing the video

[21:11:49]

_ben:

mpeg2

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GreyFoxx:

Dagmar: Fun!. Frankly I'm still peaved that vi was moved to /usr a while back

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GreyFoxx:

if /usr isn't mounted it's a pain ;)

[21:12:47]

_ben:

GreyFoxx: mmm, i'm on a special bbc trial and all the videos are mpeg2 and i have to rebuild the seektable and stuff – are you saying i shouldn't have to do this? :)

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GreyFoxx:

benc_:lets clarify. Are you using mythvideo or "importing" them into your Watch recording screen ?

[21:13:44]

_ben:

mythvideo

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GreyFoxx:

benc_: I've never had to with mpeg2. But I have seen others mention they did

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Graham:

Once you wrap your nogin around all the different parts it makes sense this mythtv thing ;)

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Graham:

OK here is a silly question... I have hooked up a VCR to my composite input and I want to watch it on live TV... Tuner 0: Composite... how do I do that?

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wagnerrp:

create a fake channel for it

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Graham:

Oh so like channel 99

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Graham:

or whatever I am not using

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wagnerrp:

a new source, and a fake channel with no guide data

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Graham:

Perfect thanks

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sphery:

Graham: but don't try to record it with R

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Graham:

with R?

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sphery:

hitting R while watching LiveTV

[21:39:18]

sphery:

(or by changing recgroup of LiveTV recordings or any other approach)

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sphery:

Only way to record it for archive is manual recording rule

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Graham:

Ah yes that is waht I am trying to do is to grab some old traning videos for work wehave only on VHS and turn them into DVDs

[21:40:04]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/284890#284890 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232857#232857

[21:40:17]

sphery:

You don't want MythTV for recording them

[21:40:22]

sphery:

dd or cat or ... is better

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Graham:

so what just dd the singnal from the device, hit play on the VCR

[21:40:47]

Graham:

?

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f0urtyfive:

who's got the most mythtv space around here?

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sphery:

Assuming it's a digital card or an ivtv device, yeah, dd... Read those posts

[21:41:15]

sphery:

they have all the info you need

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Graham:

OK

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Graham:

Thanks for the tip

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sphery:

I have 6.5TB, which is probably about mid-range around here...

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sphery:

lots of people in the 9+TB range

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Graham:

LOL I just have a single TB today

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wagnerrp:

sphery: lots?

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wagnerrp:

id say maybe a handful

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poodyp:

I have 300GB...

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sphery:

well, 6.5TB definitely isn't enough to claim "the most"

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poodyp:

I haven't built a dedicated myth box yet

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wagnerrp:

sphery: certainly not, but i would say its good enough for the top 1% of users

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sphery:

so, really, "mid-range for the people with lots of space"?

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f0urtyfive:

hehe

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f0urtyfive:

I just started using myth but I have 11 TB for myself, only 1 tb for myth tho

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sphery:

ok, so we have person #1... we'll keep counting and see if we can get to "lots" of people with 9+TB

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wagnerrp:

so now i know of two people above that limit

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f0urtyfive:

if I get a linux capable IR reader, can I use any remote?

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sphery:

(as I'm sure that 1TB for myth will soon become 10TB for Myth and 1TB for you)

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AndyCap:

f0urtyfive: almost any remote.

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sphery:

IRDA != remote

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f0urtyfive:

sphery: lol I only have like 40% free

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f0urtyfive:

AndyCap: I'm replacing a series 2 tivo, and feel I might as well keep the remote :D

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sphery:

nothing that a nice rm wouldn't fix :)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: maybe thats 1TB for recordings, and 10TB for other video content he has

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sphery:

yeah, just make sure you get a remote control receiver, not an IRDA dongle

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f0urtyfive:

sphery: hehe, I think its about time to replace one of my arrays tho, its full of 250 gb disks :(

[21:46:06]

f0urtyfive:

sphery: (17 of them, if I remember correctly)

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sphery:

wow... that's a lot of power

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wagnerrp:

250GB * 17 != 11TB

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paperclip:

anyone know of a decent inexpensive usb IR dongle

[21:46:27]

sphery:

could reduce the power to 1/8th

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paperclip:

i have a harmony remote

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f0urtyfive:

wagnerrp: my other array uses 1 tb disks ;)

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sphery:

paperclip: for USB IR, might want to try the IguanaWorks

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Graham:

Sigh I remeber building a 350GB array in 1998 and thought i was a god of storage space

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Graham:

I think it cost $15,000 or so

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paperclip:

i think i looked at that..

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sphery:

http://iguanaworks.net/

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sphery:

not a lot of USB IR out there...

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f0urtyfive:

well I had a crapload of 250 GB disks sitting around getting dust on them, so I figured I might as well do some software raid on them :D

[21:47:47]

sphery:

especially for "random remote controls" (and really especially for transmitters)

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f0urtyfive:

so it makes a nice 3.4 T array

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paperclip:

eh? you can get a MCE remote and receiver for ~$10 on ebay

[21:48:12]

sphery:

I don't know if the TiVo remote works with the MCE USB receiver

[21:48:31]

sphery:

if so, that's a commonly used one

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paperclip:

seems they only have a transceiver.. which is overkill for my needs

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sphery:

but IIRC the MCE USB only works with a specific remote protocol

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paperclip:

harmony remotes will work..

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sphery:

harmony remotes pretend to be other remotes

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paperclip:

afaik

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sphery:

i.e. you choose the remote to emulate

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paperclip:

right.. there is a preset template for the MCE stuff

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sphery:

oh... I thought you said you wanted to use the TiVo remote, but that's f0urtyfive

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paperclip:

i have the 659 which has pretty crappy placement of the pvr buttons..

[21:51:13]

paperclip:

heh

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wagnerrp:

apparently the harmony database even has a 'mythtv' remote.... which is really just a hauppauge gray

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paperclip:

hadn't noticed that..

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paperclip:

i have an ATI usb receiver that shows up as made by phillips..

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Graham:

One of these days I need to tweak my remote

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paperclip:

it's usb-hid.. which is pretty lame as I don't have the original remote.. and can't find any keymaps

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wagnerrp:

the harmony doesnt have one?

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paperclip:

not that I'm aware of..

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wagnerrp:

surprising

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wagnerrp:

they only have a couple hundred thousand keymaps

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paperclip:

i used xmodmap to make it work with boxee sometime back..

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paperclip:

yeah.. but they all have random names given by users..

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paperclip:

"bedroom tv" is not very helpful

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paperclip:

besides.. i don't think i can extract the codes from the database..

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wagnerrp:

why would you need to? you just have to program the remote

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paperclip:

hmm.. and then remap within mythtv?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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paperclip:

i'll be needing a new one anyway.. since the pvr keys are so poorly placed on this one..

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sphery:

Why do so many users reply to messages with what looks like a forwarded message rather than reply message? Is there some brain-dead MUA that does that or do they really click Forward and delete the Fwd: from the subject?

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sid3windr:

sphery: I'm pretty sure thats outlook default setting, same for a whole bunch of webmail and a possible setting for thunderbird

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sid3windr:

assuming you mean an unquoted full message below some ---- Original message --- bs headers

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** Gav8in waves **

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Gav8in:

the topquoting war is basically over

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sphery:

yeah, that's what I meant

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Gav8in:

so, no more errors with my xfs, however the xfs hackers are moderately sure i was exposing a bug in the xfs code

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sphery:

and no indentation on new content

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sphery:

should have figured that Outlook--which can't seem to figure out how to properly rewrap--would do it that way

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Gav8in:

which together with me being same, leads me to think it wasn't heat (although thanks to the #mythtv-users peanut gang admonitions, I'm now running ~14c cooler)

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HRearden:

Hmm. Something between an end of July SVN co and last night broke HDHR. Getting this kind of error:

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HRearden:

2009-09–06 18:08:35.860 HDHRSH(1010824C-0) Error: DeviceSet(channel qam_256:717000000): ERROR: invalid channel

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Gav8in:

I'm using an HDHR with newer-than july

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Gav8in:

rev 21621 is fine with my hdhr

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HRearden:

firmware?

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Gav8in:

20090830

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HRearden:

hmm i'm 20090415.

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Gav8in:

well, if 21621 don't work for you, suspect the firmware

[22:25:50]

Gav8in:

enough people use hdhr that i suspect a regression it it won't be long lived

[22:29:17]

sphery:

HRearden: IIRC, there was a library update for hdhr and you probably need an updated firmware

[22:30:21]

iamlindoro:

kind of like it said in the commit message ;)

[22:30:37]

iamlindoro:

Which of course as conscientious trunk users, you are reading religiously

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HRearden:

upgrading now...

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HRearden:

I try to keep up, really I do...

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iamlindoro:

FWIW I know daniel is using an HDHR and he's writing both the current HDHR code and the channel scanner

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iamlindoro:

so it's likely to be one of the better tested tuners, anyway :)

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iamlindoro:

(not that craziness doesn't happen)

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** iamlindoro punches TMDB/TVDB in the face for being so slow on weekends **

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iamlindoro:

How am I supposed to improve myth support of you when I can only work on you on the weekends??

[22:41:13]

** Gav8in prays to the gods of multipath that his new antenna work tommorow **

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Gav8in:

i am hopeful!

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f0urtyfive:

does anyone make a mythtv appliance?

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Dagmar:

Most of the people in this channel do

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Dagmar:

...or at least, the sensible ones do.

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Dagmar:

It's not as useful when you're trying to run the thing on your desktop

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f0urtyfive:

...?

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f0urtyfive:

I mean an appliance like an STB

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f0urtyfive:

all configured in a nice little package

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Gav8in:

fourtyfive: not that i know of, but a lot of people do try to pick quiet computers etc... so the effect is the same when you've set it up

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f0urtyfive:

w/ some storage and some tuners

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Dagmar:

If you're talking about a company, not really.

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f0urtyfive:

yeah I meant a company :P

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Gav8in:

someone you can call when it goes wrong! i get it

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Dagmar:

If you're talking about putting a machine in an STB-like box, there's lots of us that do that.

[22:43:56]

f0urtyfive:

Nah, a company to put all the pieces together in a package that works better.

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Commercial_MythTV_System is as close as it gets

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f0urtyfive:

and cheaper.

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sphery:

and cheaper doesn't happen, though

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sphery:

they're generally selling the setup at quite a markup because of all the time it saves you having to figure it out yourself

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f0urtyfive:

what, you dont cost how much time you wasted in "cheaper" ?

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f0urtyfive:

:D

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sphery:

And, IMHO, Myth is not a cheap DVR... It's more of a high-end, luxury DVR for people who want quality over cost.

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acidfreeze:

could someone guide me, im using hvr-1250, it seems the modules are loaded but i cant get any program to see my card

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HRearden:

hmm. firmware upgrade didn't fix it.

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acidfreeze:

http://dpaste.com/90451/

[22:46:17]

sphery:

I definitely consider time in the cost calculation, but most people looking for a "cheap" MythTV system don't, so I made an assumption. I apologize if I was wrong to do so.

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Dagmar:

acidfreeze:" The important stuff will be in dmesg

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sphery:

acidfreeze: firmware

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sphery:

?

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acidfreeze:

i could have swore it said it worked out of box. k

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acidfreeze:

i will check it out

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f0urtyfive:

sphery: No need to apologize, I was just thinking that I probably would have bought an "appliance" from someone if it already had myth on it, with working tuners and maybe a TB or storage or 2

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f0urtyfive:

the biggest pain in the ass for me was getting the tuner to work...

[22:47:26]

sphery:

well, it probably meant that the card works /much/ better if you remove it from its packaging /before/ using it.

[22:47:39]

sphery:

i.e. "out of the box [it came in]"

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acidfreeze:

ok here is dmesg http://dpaste.com/90457/

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sphery:

[ 11.464959] tveeprom 2–0050: Encountered bad packet header [ff]. Corrupt or not a Hauppauge eeprom.

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acidfreeze:

i meant " kernel drivers work out of the box "

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acidfreeze:

ok so that is firmware issue, k

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sphery:

do you have the firmware installed on your system?

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acidfreeze:

naw going to try to figure that out now

[22:49:05]

acidfreeze:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

The HVR-1250 has no firmware

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sphery:

ahhh

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1250

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sphery:

Tveeprom will fail while trying to load the analog firmware, but this does not affect digital operation.

[22:50:06]

sphery:

so that error is nothing to worry about

[22:50:16]

sphery:

sounds like it's working--just not being used properly?

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iamlindoro:

winner winner chicked dinner

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sphery:

acidfreeze: and only the digital side works

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HRearden:

HDHR still failing through myth. :

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HRearden:

2009-09–06 18:49:29.383 HDHRSH(1010824C-0) Error: DeviceSet(channel qam_256:717000000): ERROR: invalid channel

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HRearden:

2009-09–06 18:49:29.404 HDHRSH(1010824C-1) Error: DeviceSet(channel qam_256:699000000): ERROR: invalid channel

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HRearden:

tried setting through hdhomerun_config outside of myth and it works. Odd.

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acidfreeze:

ok

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sphery:

HRearden: I don't remember if the upgrade required doing a rescan, but I'd suggest it in your case

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acidfreeze:

so what does that mean, im not really good with dvb cards, my first one

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acidfreeze:

i have cable at my house. but do i have to have a cable box on it>

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sphery:

what's not working?

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acidfreeze:

me?

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acidfreeze:

xawtv..

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acidfreeze:

that should atleast work

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sphery:

don't think xawtv even supports digital cards...

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sphery:

don't kow for sure

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sphery:

set it up in Myth and we can help

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HRearden:

Ahh, that's never really good – I only have 5 or 6 channels and scanning never works right. I usually had to edit the tables...

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acidfreeze:

well,, im working on that now

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acidfreeze:

k

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sphery:

outside Myth you'll have better luck if you ask others...

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pak0:

for me work fine the channels scan

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pak0:

any times i need to reescan 2 o 3 times to complete my list of channels

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pak0:

i still not sound on mythtv =(

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pak0:

only have sound on hdtv channels lol

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[R]:

if i have 2 tuners that provide the same quality recording, but the first only provides like 10 channels that are duplicated on the 2nd... i should give the first the higher priority right?

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paperclip:

wagnerrp: no go with the harmony remote / ati dongle

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janneg:

[R]: not needed. mythtv should be able to resolve conflicts by itself

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[R]:

janneg: i'm thinking about if i try to start watching livetv in the middle of something being recorded

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janneg:

it might make sense if you want to use live-tv

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paperclip:

how does myth know which tuner to "prefer"

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paperclip:

I'll be adding crappy analog cable to my box soon and certainly want to keep recording HD from my HDHR when available

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nighthawk_:

nice, new nvidia driver supports DivX

[23:00:31]

janneg:

nighthawk_: only on newest mobile chips

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paperclip:

which version adds divx

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paperclip:

isn't it essentially mp4?

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nighthawk_:

awww :(

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nighthawk_:

8300 is only b

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nighthawk_:

paperclip, as I understand it yes, but it wasn't supported previously

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[R]:

janneg: i have a G98... does that have it?

[23:02:28]

paperclip:

hmm.. I'm using 185 i believe

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nighthawk_:

no one uses xvid for hires anyway

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paperclip:

yeah.. true..

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janneg:

paperclip: if the listing are correctly annotated as HD mythtv can prefer HD

[23:03:18]

janneg:

[R]: no

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[R]:

oh well

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janneg:

added in the beta driver 190.32

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paperclip:

i have an ionitx

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paperclip:

nice

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paperclip:

i would have thought ati/intel would ship something similar by now..

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sphery:

[R]: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6

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janneg:

but it is pointless, how many HD divx/mpeg4 asp samples do you have. and even if most cpu's should be able to play it

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janneg:

even the 600mhz arm on the beagle board can play 720p mpeg asp

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sphery:

yeah, I'm actually wondering why they included DivX support...

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paperclip:

i actually have a 1080p sample i used to play and cry as my system stuttered..

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[R]:

sphery: ah... thanks

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[R]:

sphery: i sw that once, but forgot what it was

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paperclip:

plays flawlessly now..

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paperclip:

and even then it only used like 13% on the atom 330

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paperclip:

i assumed that vpadu at work

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** paperclip goes to drink beer with cute girls.. **

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sphery:

[R]: really, you should read all of Section 12... And, IMHO, no one should /ever/ set a priority on any input unless they read and understand the entire Section 12 of the HOWTO. (And, the funny part is, once you read and understand that section, you'll realize that you don't want to set a priority on an input, but you want to instead just connect your inputs in the preferred order and leave their priorities at default (0).)

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[R]:

sphery: 2 sperate devices... not 2 inputs

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[R]:

oh i see what you ar saying

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[R]:

i remember reading that on the mialing list actually

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[R]:

so just set up the device i want myth to prefer (the one with the lesser chanenls) first

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sphery:

2 devices can't possibly share an input, so whether it's 2 inputs on one device or 2 inputs on 2 devices, it's still 2 inputs :)

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sphery:

[R]: yeah... that would mean that Myth will try to record off the device with fewer available channels, so if you watch LiveTV during the recording, you'll be able to choose from the "full" set of channels.

[23:12:28]

sphery:

and it's the input connections order that matters--not the order you define the capture cards

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sphery:

also, are these digital devices?

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sphery:

or analog capture?

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[R]:

yes

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[R]:

digital

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sphery:

if so, and if you plan to use LiveTV, and if you set up multirec (=more than one virtual tuner per input), then Myth will start recording on the channel-limited one. You'll enter LiveTV and get some channel on the same multiplex as the recording /and/ be using the same input as the recording (the channel-limited one).

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[R]:

but then i can pick a channel thats only avaible on the second tuner right?

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sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/369358#369358 has a couple of approaches to "fix" this to make your LiveTV viewing experience better

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sphery:

yes, but you may have to use the EPG to pick that channel

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[R]:

oh i always use the epg

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sphery:

or you may have to enable browse across tuners (which can be slow)

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sphery:

the end of the last post has the best "I like LiveTV" config

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sphery:

but you have to read the whole post to understand it

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[R]:

ok, reading it

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[R]:

sphery: looks interesting

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[R]:

i just hope i don't hate myslef a few months down the road because i'm gonna have 2 tuners with all the channels like i do now with my cable box

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[R]:

not gonna have*

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thedarkone:

hey all

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f0urtyfive:

anyone here have one of the cablecard capable tuners?

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[R]:

won't work with myth

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f0urtyfive:

:(

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f0urtyfive:

I h8 the fcc

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[R]:

doesn't everyone?

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[R]:

and you should hate cablelabs... not the fcc

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sphery:

f0urtyfive: the problem isn't the FCC (in this case), it's the for-profit cable co's/content owners/DRM

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f0urtyfive:

ah but the problem is the FCC doesnt force them to cooperate :D

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f0urtyfive:

I hate cablelabs as well

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[R]:

they have ti nice in europe

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[R]:

why can't america be as smart as them

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sphery:

no, instead they force companies to quit selling useful equipment, like the PVR-150/500, and to put digital tuners/decoders into TV's, and they gave away $8B of my money on the "great digital TV converter giveaway" boondoggle.

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f0urtyfive:

hehe

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sphery:

so the FCC has plenty to do rather than try to make TV more usable for us

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iamlindoro:

and let's not forget giving the rubber stamp to let cable companies run ramshackle all over my clear QAM

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sphery:

ah, yeah, the "you can encrypt everything if you use DTA's"...

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sphery:

is that /everything/ or just the non-must-carry stuff?

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iamlindoro:

Hey, just because you have been able to get basic analog cable by plugging the cable into the TV for 20+ years, why allow it now?

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iamlindoro:

can encrypt everything but the must-carries AFAIK

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sphery:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

That said, it's the stuff above and beyond the must carry that you've been able to sount on for 2–3 decades that's galling

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iamlindoro:

er count on

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sphery:

so now you can pay <lowest subscription the local cable co allows> to get the same channels you can get with an antenna (geography willing)

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cesman:

anyone else have issues w/ mytharchive (0.21-fixes) and mplex?

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sphery:

which issues?

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thedarkone:

whatz a good program for live tv like tvtime?

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Dibblah:

tvtime.

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[R]:

lol

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sphery:

can you consider any program that does LiveTV a good program?

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thedarkone:

lol

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cesman:

sphery: it fails to create a dvd w/ menus fails at mplex -f 8 -v 2 -o '/myth/tmp/work/temp.mpg' '/myth/tmp/work/temp.m2v' '/usr/share/mythtv/mytharchive/music/menumusic2.ac3'

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clever:

sphery: no

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thedarkone:

i ting to do ondemand project again

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[R]:

how easy is it to edit an hdpvr recording? say i want to cut off a few seconds from the beginning?

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sphery:

probably quite easy--if you happen to find a program that can do it

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sphery:

cesman: I did a DVD ISO using mytharchive just to see how it worked a couple weeks ago on my -fixes box and it worked.

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sphery:

perhaps a mplex version issue?

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cesman:

yeah, that is what I'm thinking...

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cesman:

mjpegtools 1.9 here

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cesman:

what version are you running?

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sphery:

1.8.0 on the box I used to make the DVD

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thedarkone:

sphery can mplayer do live tv?

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sphery:

I don't know

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sphery:

I don't really do either of those...

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smithna:

could someone tell me what this message is an indication of: "Waited 1.0 seconds for data to become available" (get it every so often when playing an hd video)

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Igg-man:

If my IR remotes commands are being repeated, is that an lirc thing?

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Igg-man:

(ie, one down button results in moving two menu spaces)

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sphery:

Igg-man: generally, yes... use irw to watch... If one press gives 2 messages, then definitely yes.

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sphery:

Igg-man: if not, then it's usually that you have your system using both the kernel's "keyboard driver" for the remote and using LIRC

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sphery:

so Myth sees one arrow down key and one lirc message Down

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Igg-man:

wow, sometimes 3 per button click

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Igg-man:

If I add "repeat 0" to my config, would that fix it?

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Dagmar:

Only if the lack of that value is causing the problem.

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sphery:

without a repeat, it uses the default value, which is 0

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Igg-man:

huh

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Igg-man:

hmm, not working at all now

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sphery:

i.e. it will ignore key repeats

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sphery:

you seeing this in irw?

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Igg-man:

not anymore

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Igg-man:

I'll try pulling the line back out

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sphery:

so did you fix it?

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Igg-man:

sorry, I took a little bit

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Igg-man:

I get input now again, but back to the repeated key presses

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Igg-man:

hmm, I should probably set it to 2 or so

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sphery:

no...

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sphery:

that's fixing the symptom, not the problem

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Igg-man:

oh

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Igg-man:

okay

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sphery:

you're saying with repeat = 0 in the begin ... end block for a button, you still get 2–3 repeats for a single button press?

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Igg-man:

It shows a number on each line, one keypress shows a "01" and "02"

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sphery:

in irw it does?

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Igg-man:

no, I get nothing

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Igg-man:

if repeat=0, I see no output at all

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sphery:

what shows a number on each line?

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Igg-man:

unless I spelled it wrong

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Igg-man:

000000037ff07be1 00 Up mceusb

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Igg-man:

000000037ff07be1 01 Up mceusb

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Igg-man:

000000037ff07be1 02 Up mceusb

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Igg-man:

000000037ff07be1 03 Up mceusb

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Igg-man:

(that was one keypress)

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apyles_home:

Is there a good after market remote I can buy somewhere? The link off of mythtv.org is apparently dead

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Igg-man:

apyles_home: What remotes do you have already?

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sphery:

So, http://pastebin.ca/index.php type of definition for repeat causes you to see nothing?

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apyles_home:

Igg-man: none at the moment.. just in the process of getting set up

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Igg-man:

I saw a kit on ebay for $22, it had the sensor and a remote

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Igg-man:

I haven't tried it, but it may work

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apyles_home:

Igg-man: ok so it doesn't work with any remote I can buy for instance at best buy?

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Igg-man:

apyles_home: Yes, it would

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Igg-man:

apyles_home: well... there would be setup involved

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iamlindoro:

erm... that's not exactly correct-- most/all IR receivers will only work with certain remotes

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