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Friday, September 4th, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: I think it pulls the ID, as I see my device id in the capturecard table.

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paperclip:

J-e-f-f-A: and you left the default FFFFFFFF then?

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J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: I don't recall, is it displayed in mythtv-setup?

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paperclip:

yes

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paperclip:

there's a lot of stuff that's clipped off on the right hand side of my 22" monitor..

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paperclip:

is there a way to fix the text size?

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J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: It shows the real id in mythtv-setup – I don't remember if I entered it in (probably did, from the sticker on the bottom IIRC), or it polled it... I think I entered it...

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paperclip:

oh it's on the bottom :D

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paperclip:

i grabbed it with libhdhomerun or whatever the day i unboxed it..

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wagnerrp:

paperclip: FFFFFFFF just tells it to use the first one it auto-discovers

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paperclip:

that's what i figured, but wasn't sure..

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wagnerrp:

trunk will now autodetect your HDHR in mythtv-setup in the card setup

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wagnerrp:

0.21 did not use to

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wagnerrp:

(what J-e-f-f-A was talking about)

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paperclip:

didn't work on the first pass for me.. but I couldn't read a lot of the options..

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paperclip:

been updating..

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: now the big question... how will a hardware decoder work with the wildly fluctuating bitrate of a constant quantizer encode?

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sphery:

Any pvr-150 users who could run and pastebin output of the following for me, please? v4l2-ctl --list-audio-inputs

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I don't have a 150 in my system now, but have a 250 and 500, and all 3 tuners respond "ioctl: VIDIOC_ENUMAUDIO"

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sphery:

hmmm... I must be using v4l2-ctl wrong...

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sphery:

perhaps a better question is, "Does anyone know what specifically the script at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/6966/myth-chan is doing and why?"

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sphery:

I gather it's due to the PVR-150's sometimes having squealing audio after channel change in LiveTV, but I'd like to see a description of the problem/what cards or drivers are affected/etc.

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sphery:

just wondering what --set-audio-input=2 followed by --set-audio-input=1 is doing in real world terms

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qupada:

sphery: Fingers crossed I think I may have found the fix for my compiling issue. Is using GCC 4.4

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wagnerrp:

sphery: any idea what package might have that command?

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sphery:

qupada: cool... did you ask kormoc about his ebuild?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I have an issue with all 3 of my tuners, about 1/10th of the time, I get 'scratchy' audio on the recordings.

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: But I've tried these things with my tuners (but not this script), and haven't been able to resolve it...

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qupada:

sphery: Didn't get a chance too. I stripped everything non-essential out of mine and hard-coded the configure arguments, hopefully that's given me better control – or if not at least I know exactly what it's doing now

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: do you know of any links to info on the issue?

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qupada:

s/too/to

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sphery:

qupada: just curious... wondered if it was really an issue in 4.4.1 or if there was more to it (and the 4.4.1 thing was only triggered by the ebuild)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: not sure...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=co . . . amp;arch=any says ivtv-utils

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sphery:

which makes sense (as I have that and I have v4l2-ctl--even though I no longer have any ivtv cards)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I googled over and over for "ivtv" "scratchy audio", hundreds of combinations, and all indications seemed to say it had been solved several kernels ago... I basically gave up, and conceded to defeat, figuring it's some obscure thing with my motherboard/irqs/etc...

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qupada:

sphery: ah damnit. different error. x86/flacdsp_mmx.c:87: error: can't find a register in class ‘GENERAL_REGS’ while reloading ‘asm’

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sphery:

someone was in here talking about squealing audio after channel change on PVR-x50...

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sphery:

the guy who wrote that script for contrib mentioned (when I wasn't around) it was due to squealing

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wagnerrp:

huh...thought i had that installed

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sphery:

qupada: still looks like an improperly-set cpu/tune/arch/march type thing (which you really shouldn't set for Myth--regardless of what the ebuild you started from may have been doing)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Mine sounds like it's overdriven and is clipping basically... the program is still 'watchable', but annoying.

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wagnerrp:

seems i didnt, considering its no longer necessary to use a PVR

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: and that's not just because you have volume set to 100% in the recording profile (and need it at 95% or 90%)?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: No, because changing the channel, then going back, it's fine.

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qupada:

sphery: not setting any of those now. stripped all of that out

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sphery:

Still, if you have 100%, I'd recommend trying it at 90% for a while (and if it works, then try 95% or so to set how high you can set it without issue).

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JEDIDIAH__:

...i too used to have audio problems with my PVR-150

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sphery:

I had that problem when I used 100% but didn't at 90%

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sphery:

qupada: and you're not getting a warning about your processor not being detected?

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JEDIDIAH__:

it never occured often enough to be worth the bother of sorting out.

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sphery:

qupada: you are using --enable-proc-opt , right? (that's a good one that you should use)

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qupada:

sphery: will pastebin ./configure output in a sec

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wagnerrp:

sphery: still interested in the outputs?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Here's a 5mb sample – about 8 seconds long, but you'll get the idea: http://jartz.gotdns.com:8008/files/ivtv_audio_issue/sample1.mpg

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wagnerrp:

sphery: just though you needed some more discussion directed at you

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sphery:

wagnerrp: is it more interesting than VIDIOC_ENUMAUDIO?

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wagnerrp:

nope, thats all i get

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sphery:

hmmm...

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sphery:

I just wanted to know what 2 and 1 are...

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: all my profiles are set to 90% volume

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sphery:

I'll check source and see what it says

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sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: ah, then that's not it... :(

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qupada:

sphery: http://pastebin.com/m3291a69 this is where I'm at now

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sphery:

I'll test that video later (this computer has video driver issues that make video playback risky... :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I can reproduce it with livetv by hopping around channels – sometimes I get it in 2 hops, sometimes it takes 20...

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sphery:

and you said you tried something similar to what that script does (but in your channel change script, presumably)?

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Yeah – I'll have to look at it closer, but IIRC, either the commands didn't work as expected, or the driver rejected them as the card was open by myth... it's been a couple of months since I tried anything.

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sphery:

qupada: that looks good... don't know what's messing up your asm compiles...

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qupada:

sphery: I wish I knew. After all the CPU in my laptop isn't exactly fast, getting to the failure point takes a really long time

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sphery:

qupada: you don't have any CFLAGS or LDFLAGS or CPPFLAGS in the environment, do you?

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qupada:

LDFLAGS unset. CFLAGS are '-O2 -pipe'

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sphery:

unset CFLAGS before you compile

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sphery:

that's likely to cause problems

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sphery:

we have to optimize differently in different parts for exactly the types of problems you're having :)

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qupada:

hold that thought – the ebuild aready is

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sphery:

ebuild unsets it?

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sphery:

or sets it to ""

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qupada:

to empty string

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qupada:

http://pastebin.com/m4d2ed32c

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sphery:

(where, if not done right, may not pass through to sub processes)

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qupada:

If the current compile fails, will swap ="" for unset and see what happens. Like I said though, might be a while

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sphery:

I don't speak ebuild, but since that's not exported (assuming it works like sh), it may still cause issues

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clever:

ebuild is basicaly a set of bash functions that get called by portage to do the various compiling steps

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paperclip:

well.. for some reason when using the packages from the avenard repo when i try to scan i get errors about not finding /dev/dvb

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paperclip:

must be some default i'm missing

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bfleming:

question on performance:

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bfleming:

just installed a new system, quad 3ghz with nvidia 9500gt

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bfleming:

HD programs have a problem with audio

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bfleming:

2 seconds of sound, 2 seconds off, repeat

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bfleming:

after a while the sound may start to work properly, and sometimes after pause and resume

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bfleming:

something I'm missing here? seems powerful enough...

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[R]:

just the audio? not the video also?

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bfleming:

stock rpms, not from source, so no vdpau

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bfleming:

video is maybe a little choppy but not bad

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[R]:

1080i or 720p?

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bfleming:

mostly 1080i

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bfleming:

cpu(s) running about 40%, not maxed

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[R]:

hrm

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[R]:

.21-fixes?

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bfleming:

atrpms stock

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[R]:

i dont know what the is

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[R]:

that*

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bfleming:

rpms from atrpms.net, typical yum "update" — not compiled from source

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[R]:

and you're sure none of the cores are maxed out?

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[R]:

i know what atrpms is... but telling me 'atrpms stock' tells me nothing

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bfleming:

wonder if it is something to do with sound and not the video ....

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bfleming:

k

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bfleming:

the system is up to date

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bfleming:

with atrpms

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bfleming:

using the nvidia kmods

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bfleming:

also, mplayer is playing very slow on divx video

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[R]:

slow?

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bfleming:

had an older athlon 2ghz system that had no problem

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[R]:

what output is mplayer using, what output is myth using

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bfleming:

like the video playback has been slowed down

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bfleming:

output is svideo (for now)

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[R]:

not pysical output

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bfleming:

nvidia-settings shows the driver info okay

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[R]:

x11, xv, opengl, etc

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bfleming:

x11, I think

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bfleming:

I thought xv was enabled in the playback profile(s)?

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[R]:

x11 you think?

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[R]:

if its x11... thats most defintely why its not working

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bfleming:

xorg

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bfleming:

whatever gets installed with fedora

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bfleming:

gnome desktop

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[R]:

yeah]

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[R]:

thats very much not what i asked

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[R]:

taht has nothign to do with video output

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bfleming:

:)

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bfleming:

okay

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bfleming:

I guess I'm not following you

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[R]:

what video output is mplayer using... what video output is myth using

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[R]:

i gave you 3 possible options

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[R]:

both of them report it on standard out

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bfleming:

opengl for myth

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[R]:

what if you use xv?

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bfleming:

how do I config myth for xv?

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bfleming:

use a playback profile?

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[R]:

yup

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paperclip:

how can flush the whole data base and start fresh?

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bfleming:

k, will try that

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bfleming:

does the "Internal" player for myth use that as well?

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bfleming:

I mean for mythvideo

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[R]:

paperclip: delete it and recreate it, or just dump the tables

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[R]:

bfleming: it uses the same settings, yes

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bfleming:

k, thanks

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paperclip:

is there a command line util or something that will recreate it?

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[R]:

myth comes with an sql script taht creates the db

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[R]:

very much part of the installation instructions

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paperclip:

i used mythbuntu

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[R]:

so just dump the tables

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paperclip:

let me poke around..

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paperclip:

I see here.. http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Backup_your_database

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paperclip:

how to do that..

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Coded1:

hello all

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Coded1:

im trying myth on gentoo and its looking good! my problem though is that myth cant seem to access the dvd drive. ive added the user mythtv to the cdrom group and can login as the mythtv user and eject the media from the command line but from the gui going to "play dvd" just goes to a blank screen and returns and eject media says "no devices to eject" ive xonfirmed the dvd vcd settings what am i doing wrong? where can i look?

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Coded1:

im using /dev/sr0 for dvd and vcd

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coded1: myth defaults to /dev/dvd – you probably just have to change it in thesetup to /dev/dvd or create a symlink.

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coded1: (that's 0.21-fixes – trunk seems to detect /dev/sro automagically)

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** J-e-f-f-A loves the new channel scanner's display... ;-) **

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Coded1:

if i goto setup>setup>media settings>videos settings> general settings> page 3 / 7

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coded1: ^ that's the right place.

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Coded1:

i have both dvd vcd set to /dev/sr0

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coded1: If you had to change it, you went through the remaining screens until you got [Finish], right? If not, then it didn't get saved.

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Coded1:

oops

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Coded1:

the user for acess should be the user i logged into x with

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Coded1:

my bad

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coded1: hehe... I didn't go the 'permissions' route (yet), since you seemed to have looked at that already... ;-)

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Coded1:

sweet

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J-e-f-f-A:

I take it that was it... ;-)

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Coded1:

yup

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Coded1:

this is really looking good

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Coded1:

with gentoo im in muth and ready to go in like 25 seconds

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J-e-f-f-A:

[ot] Jeeze, the iPhone will soon be able to send and receive video messages... Gee, my verizon phone's been able to do that forever... What was Apple thinking??

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J-e-f-f-A:

Coded1: ^^ What was that, in english?? ;-)

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wagnerrp:

HAHAHAHAHAHAH

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wagnerrp:

the TV version of Snakes on a Plane is amazing

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wagnerrp:

'i have had it with these monkey-flying snakes on this monkey-flying plane'

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nighthawk_:

censored or different production?

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[R]:

lol

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wagnerrp:

'what my friend does that have to do with anything'

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wagnerrp:

i dont know that compares to 'yippie kayaee mr falcon'....

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sphery:

So, I'm watching the Numb3rs episode Fifth Man and they showed the code for one of Charlie's math apps: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/Numb3rs-Fifth_Ma . . . Analysis.png

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wagnerrp:

so its CSS... quiet you with your real computer knowledge

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sphery:

I never would have guessed that you could do wavelet analyses in CSS...

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[R]:

not only is it css... its the very crappy kind that MS Word puts out

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sphery:

is that what the mso junk is?

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[R]:

yup

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sphery:

was wondering

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[R]:

its the crap you get if you save a .doc as .html

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sphery:

So, MS Word is actually a mathematical programming application?

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[R]:

haha

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wagnerrp:

sphery: thats what MS Equation is for

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sphery:

Oh, I figured MS Equation was for writing letters and memoranda...

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wagnerrp:

its really just their version of TeX

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sphery:

does gmail do digests properly (in that if you subscribe and have digests delivered, can it reply to messages within the digest properly)?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: have you seen this? ... http://www.lostcircuits.com/mambo//index.php? . . . limitstart=6

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sphery:

yeah, saw that earlier... The Regor sounds nice.

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sphery:

I noticed that the 250 is $77 and the 245 is $66 and the 240 is $60 (for 3.0, 2.9, and 2.8GHz, respectively)

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wagnerrp:

any idea how they calculate the processor consumption?

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sphery:

So, I'm assuming the 240 would be similar usage

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sphery:

the 250 was only 30 and change Watts at full-load power consumption

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wagnerrp:

im actually impressed by the i7s

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wagnerrp:

17W for a 3GHz quad core

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sphery:

so either AMD gave them a well-picked 250 or the AMD TDP actually /is/ much higher than you'll likely ever see.

[04:43:25]

sphery:

don't know how they measure it (or if they just calculate)

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wagnerrp:

actually... one of the X4 phenoms is down around 11W

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sphery:

not that I'd pay for it, but the X4 905e is also listed as a 65W TDP: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103682

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 3x the price for 2x the performance

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sphery:

the 940--that they show at 8W idle is a 125W TDP: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471

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wagnerrp:

and only 68W under load

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

so either they were kind in the measurements

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sphery:

or the variation within the bins is huge

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sphery:

and they had some good chips :)

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if they have some kind of insert on the socket

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wagnerrp:

to measure amperage across the pins

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heyheyhey:

anyone know about Capacitor's?

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wagnerrp:

what about capacitors specifically?

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wagnerrp:

you would probably be better served in #electronics

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kormoc:

they have capacitance!

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heyheyhey:

lol

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wagnerrp:

do they capacitate?

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kormoc:

with their capacity of capacitance to capacitate

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iamlindoro:

they are, one might say, capacious in their capacity of capacitance to capacitate

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heyheyhey:

well i have 4 capacitors on a motherboard and when i move the motherboard up and down they sound like a set of ball bearings rattling

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iamlindoro:

There are copious things wrong with that statement

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wagnerrp:

does the motherboard work?

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heyheyhey:

on and off

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heyheyhey:

every 100th power on and off

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clever:

my laptop only turns on if i hit it

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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clever:

but once its on, its stable for months, other then the ethernet

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iamlindoro:

you know that the conversation has hit rock bottom when you know who chimes in

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heyheyhey:

i think they are dead

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sphery:

I think newegg has a special where if you buy a capacitor for the price of a motherboard, they give you a free motherboard with the capacitor installed in it...

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heyheyhey:

it in a 360 motherboard

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iamlindoro:

weird, they have that same deal w/ 360s

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heyheyhey:

lol

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sphery:

on the bright side, you can get an Arcade and stick the hard drive from your old one in it. :)

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heyheyhey:

i was just curious to see if the cap's were bad?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: can you move a drive from one box to another?

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wagnerrp:

on the PS3, you have to reformat it

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iamlindoro:

I'd trust sphery on knowledge of how to move between 360s

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heyheyhey:

this 360 is wacked

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heyheyhey:

it will boot up but will not show video

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heyheyhey:

acts normal but no video

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: im just surprised microsoft is nice enough to let you do that, considering the craptastic way they bend you over their hard drives in general

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iamlindoro:

I have no knowledge of whether you can actually do it, just commenting on the sheer # of 360s sphery has owned :)

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wagnerrp:

that sounds remarkably like payback for sphery's 'quantity of patches' comment

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iamlindoro:

not in the least, not his fault MS has a console w/ a 50% failure rate

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wagnerrp:

i thought it was up over 60

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wagnerrp:

no matter....

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kormoc:

his fault for buying them ;)

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iamlindoro:

in his defense, I think he only bought the first one :)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I'm on my 3rd XBox 360 and just slapped my old drive on to the new box each time.

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sphery:

wagnerrp: the only downside is you have to re-download all the content you've ever bought on XBox Live Marketplace--since the license is tied to the console--or no other user on your system can play the content you've purchased.

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wagnerrp:

ok, so you retain any user generated content (videos, savegames), but you still have to recover any downloaded content

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wagnerrp:

not much different from the reformat necessary for the PS3

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sphery:

yeah, rewrite without the reformat...

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sphery:

and then after you re-download the content you purchased, you go in to play one of the games, and it has to update it to the current version, again... :)

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sphery:

Hi, channel. So has anyone got Myth working with the X extensions TIME, COMPRESS, and AUDIO for remote video playback and synchonization?

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** kormoc eyes sphery **

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sphery:

oops

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** sphery stops stirring the pot **

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kormoc:

Are you okay? Did you get hit on the head?

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sphery:

Actually, someone would have to hit me over the head really hard to get me to consider running Compress extension unless when it becomes a real extension they do it better than its current form.

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sphery:

though I doubt that compress or audio will make it in because of the security and multithread issues...

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kormoc:

-user's post?

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sphery:

No... I'm just being silly.

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sphery:

ref'ing the 2nd half of: http://lwn.net/Articles/319897/

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kormoc:

ah, heh

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high-rez:

Any tips and tricks for mythtv hdmi audio out? It seems that two channel audio works, but ac3 passthrough results in awful sounds from my display

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wagnerrp:

i had the same problem... chose to ignore it

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jst_home:

high-rez: have you read through http://www.mythtv.org/wiki?title=AllensDigitalAudioHowto ;?

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high-rez:

jst_home: thanks for the link. There's a specific entry about my motherboard (zotac ionitx). Looks like getting ac3 passthrough on it is pretty hellish. That link got two channels audio working through hdmi, which is all I really need. :)

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jst_home:

high-rez: heh, that's exactly the board I have :)

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jst_home:

high-rez: I, however, don't use HDMI for audio, but I have ac3 passthrough to the optical out working

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high-rez:

Nice. What case? I have the M350 case which I think is ideal

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high-rez:

I've got my USB memory stick hidden behind the front panel, its a fully solid state frontend :D

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jst_home:

high-rez: yeah, same case! :)

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jst_home:

high-rez: I nevwork boot

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jst_home:

network boot, even

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high-rez:

Not a bad idea.

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jst_home:

running minimyth

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high-rez:

nfs root ?

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jst_home:

yeah

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high-rez:

I was thinking about exporting an iscsi lun to it. Never did iscsi root in linux before.

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jst_home:

the pxe support setting is hidden in the bios, it's under the south bridge settings IIRC

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high-rez:

I'll probably just stick to the memory stick though. It does the trick fine. I really like this setup.

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high-rez:

I assume you moved the power and WIFI off of the L-brack and onto the two holes provided on the mobo ?

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high-rez:

s/mobo/case

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jst_home:

high-rez: nfs seems to work dandy, but yeah, iscisi could work as well

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jst_home:

high-rez: I took the wifi card out, don't need it

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jst_home:

high-rez: but yeah, power got moved

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high-rez:

The L bracket on the motherboard seemed really flimsy. The two holes on the case work perfect for the power connector and wifi pigtail.

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jst_home:

high-rez: I have two mobos, one with a dual core atom and one with a single core one

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jst_home:

the dual core one needs a fan, so that won't be a frontend, I'll probably just pick up one more single core one

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high-rez:

I was thinking about taking the wifi out too, ive wired the house. I actually was thinking of puting a mini pci-e solid state storage there and not dealing with usb storage at all

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high-rez:

THe fan is said to be optional if you have a vented case.

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high-rez:

Hows performance on the single core? I've got the dual core.

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jst_home:

high-rez: I ran it for a while w/o the fan, but it felt hotter than I felt comfortable with, so I'd rather leave the fan in place and use that one for something else

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high-rez:

The other thing I've considered puting behind the front panel is a usb IR receiver I have. Fits fine – not sure about the interference though ;)

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jst_home:

high-rez: perf seems just fine here. Most of the interesting stuff happens in the gpu, so it's mostly idling

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jst_home:

high-rez: which IR receiver do you have?

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high-rez:

Yeah. You doing trunk or fixes ? I'm using fixes with jy's backport.

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jst_home:

trunk here

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jst_home:

works pretty good, some kinks here n' there, but it's totally usable

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high-rez:

i don't know what its called. I think it shows up as a "formosa snowflake" or something. Its a MCE device. Works fine with MCE remotes, but not the xbox360 remote.

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jst_home:

high-rez: I'm rolling my own IR receiver here, one that'll wake the system up n' all on a learned IR code etc. Not sure how well that will work out yet, just ordered the parts today :)

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jst_home:

serial, not usb, but piggybacking on usb for 5V power

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high-rez:

Nice!

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high-rez:

The M350+IONITX is the perfect frontend combo I think ;)

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jst_home:

I'd have to agree there!

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jst_home:

1080i playback while idling, not bad IMO :)

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high-rez:

The deinterlacing, especially with h264 content takes a toll. I can only do 1x temporal

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high-rez:

(which actually is pretty beautiful)

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jst_home:

yeah, 1x temporal here too, but I can't really tell to be honest

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jst_home:

I've never had the chance to compare side by side

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high-rez:

I also tried vdr on this box, which worked just fine with vdpau.

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jst_home:

cool

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high-rez:

Now for all my bull about it not needing a fan, i'm running a fan on mine. It seems silent enough to not be a bother.

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jst_home:

did you already drop the fan voltage to get it to slow down a bit?

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jst_home:

that's something I considered, but didn't get to test yet

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high-rez:

nope

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high-rez:

its not loudh enough to annoy me

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jst_home:

cool

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high-rez:

eventuially it'll probably sit in the attic anyways next to a projector

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jst_home:

heh

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jst_home:

so I have a question about that...

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jst_home:

what's better, video source close to a projector and far away from audio amps, or vise versa?

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jst_home:

I.e. run a long HDMI cable, or run a long digital audio link, or HDMI for just audio purposes?

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kormoc:

just keep it under the max cable length and it won't matter

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jst_home:

kormoc: you happen to know what the max length is? I've seen 50' ones for sale, which would be plenty for me

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kormoc:

10 meters (30 feet) for HDMI

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jst_home:

kormoc: ok, that'd be right on the limit for me I think, need to check once I have a projector picked and placed...

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jst_home:

but given that that's the limit, placing the projector such that it's less than 10m away would probably be wise :)

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[Peter]:

I use a 12m cable for 1080p and haven't had any issues with it, but I'd recommend buying a higher quality cable for such lengths

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clever:

ive got a couple meters of analog video(composite) and audio, and its fairly ok quality

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clever:

aslong as the neighbors cat doesnt step on the video connection

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jst_home:

heh

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jst_home:

clever: I don't have a composite source, so I'd be stuck with HDMI

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clever:

id rather use hdmi if i could

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clever:

but ive got no digital tv's and the current vid card is only analog out

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clever:

if i was using an HDHR, could 1 computer capture from it while a 2nd uses the ir receiver?

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clever:

looks like it can

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chazh:

Hi guys; I've used Myth for a long time, but I've noticed that just recently the "record one episode each day" rule is recording multiple episodes per day. This used to work fine, and I keep up with the 0.21-fixes branch. Is this a known regression or is something screwy with my system? I can't find any info on the mailing lists

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chazh:

Very quiet this early in the morning... Can someone say hello just so that I know I'm actually connected to this room?

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wombo:

olleh

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chazh:

thanks :)

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chazh:

No-one's got any ideas about the 'record one episode each day' strangeness?

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test3:

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laga:

test3: there is a french forum at www.mythtvtalk.com – but i don't know if there is a lot of traffic there

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gbee:

non

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gbee:

but if you write one, I'm sure people would be very grateful

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gbee:

Refresh rate: 16697, frame interval: 40000 << Does that look right?

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juski:

Friday at last :)

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pat-:

poor friday, only 4.5 hours of it left to drink!

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** juski goes looking for a Harmony remote replacement **

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juski:

sick of the stinking piece of crap

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juski:

set the inter-button delay to as low as it'll go & it's still way too slow. As for the activity-based controls, they're useless since the way it approximates discrete input switching on the TV misses 75% of the time

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juski:

wonder how many people who complain of button press lag in mythtv are using harmony remotes :)

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juski:

might be time to see if I can get an IR blaster built for my frontend & just let *it* do all the talking

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juski:

and there's *no* *way* I'm buying a TV without either a) RS232 or b) discrete IR codes for input switching in future. NO frickin way

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juski:

hrm. Maybe it's just that nobody has ever tried blasting IR codes at these TVs to discover discrete codes

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juski:

just because no remote has ever featured buttons like AV1, AV2 doesn't mean it can't do them

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juski:

hmm. plenty of combinations available in the IR protocol but even zapping the ordinary remote codes I won't have to dick around powering the telly off like the retarded harmony does

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Dibblah:

juski: I cheat.

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Dibblah:

http://pastebin.com/m69af9f80

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Dibblah:

Oh, right – I see what you're saying. Yes, I do that.

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Dibblah:

(MCEUSB2 remote, passthrough for amp / projector / ...)

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Dibblah:

I've tried all codes on this TV – There are no discrete codes for anything.

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Dibblah:

However, there *is* a fall over dead code.

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juski:

even ones not listed?

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Dibblah:

All codes. 32k of them.

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juski:

ouch

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Dibblah:

The fall over dead code needs a hard reset.

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juski:

heheh

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juski:

I HATE my harmony remote

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juski:

it's so utterly illogical & retarded

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Dibblah:

mceusb2. :)

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juski:

even in 'device' mode it's a PITA

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juski:

DEVICE – then press the menu key for the device you want to control, THEN control said device. GRR

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juski:

I'd much rather have actual *device* buttons

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juski:

activity based stuff is just way too.. restrictive. Not to mention insulting for people with actual brains

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juski:

nayway Dibblah thanks for saving me wasting my time :)

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juski:

might try & get the schematics for the telly & hack its input switch directly :D

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juski:

or use my AV amp to do all the switching. Hmmm. Ponder ponder

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clever:

juski: my tv has an audio output, so i can switch a/v thru the tv alone, and the amp will follow along

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clever:

though its only analog

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juski:

course, I could always buy+mod/make an A/V switcher – I could save the Wii having to be plugged into Av3 at the front that way too

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jasonbassett:

Greetings

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jasonbassett:

Has anyone else suffered from a very slow mythfront end menu?

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jasonbassett:

Viewing TV is fine but the menu itself is slow to load the graphics and menus between subsections.

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jasonbassett:

KDE does not show any signs of slowness either

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juski:

woo that prolly means opengl on your machine is sucky

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Dibblah:

Is it actually slow, or are you just assuming you need to wait for the end of a transition to do anything?

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jasonbassett:

glxgears is working fine

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juski:

if you use a nvidia card, get the binary Nvidia driver. If ATI, sacrifice a chicken & hope there's a driver somewhere that works better

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juski:

if anything else, give up & use something else

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jasonbassett:

the transitions are incredibly slow to take place

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jasonbassett:

intel

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juski:

yeah your opengl sucks

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juski:

glxgears can look fine & work fine even when direct rendering isn't available

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juski:

glxinfo |grep direct

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juski:

that'll tell you whether or not you have *hardware* *accelerated* opengl

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juski:

you _really_ need HW accelerated GL working

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juski:

you could try the qt themepainter (run mythfrontend with -O ThemePainter=qt ) & it should be much better – but it's for the best to get HW accelerated GL working

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juski:

you should check xorg.conf to make sure that the 'intel' driver has been specified

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juski:

if you're trying to do this with multiple screens, you won't get direct rendering working on desktop sizes over 1024x1024. Sucks

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jasonbassett:

juski – greping for direct results in "direct rendering: Yes"

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jasonbassett:

I have no problems in running compiz fusion on this box too

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jasonbassett:

but that is currently off for testing

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juski:

maybe try disabling that junk for a while too

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jasonbassett:

yeh I know, i thought it may be caning it

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juski:

works fine on my intel laptop. my frontend is intel too

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juski:

you're not using the GANT theme are you?

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juski:

(the one which looks like cave drawings on a greyish background)

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jasonbassett:

dont think so, i will check, but i have also tried changing front end painting engine thing to qt but same issue

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juski:

you shouldn't be seeing any transitions (i.e. FADES) with the qt painter

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jasonbassett:

whoa

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jasonbassett:

somethings changed

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jasonbassett:

its speeding around within kde

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jasonbassett:

(i usually run the front end direct from x

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jasonbassett:

ah no, thats cos i changed to qt :-(

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jasonbassett:

its fast

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jasonbassett:

might stick with that then

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jasonbassett:

theme is blootube-side (Widescreen)

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jasonbassett:

whats up with the GANT theme then?

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juski:

it sucks :)

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gbee:

if QT is faster than openGL then your opengl is broken

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juski:

nah there's an element in it which fades in & out – it's this being redrawn which can make things seem sucky – but on a system with *working* gl it'll not be bad

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pak0:

hi all people, good afternoon

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pak0:

any new about myth 0.22?

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juski:

pak0: no

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pak0:

=/

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pak0:

thx juski

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jasonbassett:

yeh, myth is not the issue there then

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jasonbassett:

i will direct my attentions to gl

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jasonbassett:

thankyou

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juski:

last time I tried GANT on my intel laptop, apart from looking disgusting it was fine :)

[12:33:17]

jasonbassett:

UK Virgin Media: is it possible to plug the cable straight into a mythbox or do i still need the STB?

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juski:

you still need the STB

[12:34:09]

** mkrufky wishes that mythtv supported backwards compatibility netween frontends and backends, so that i wouldnt have to fear the risks of upgrading to 0.22 when it gets released after the new tv season is already in progress :-/ **

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juski:

and you'll need some means of changing channels on the STB like an IR blaster

[12:34:27]

juski:

mkrufky: so just wait :)

[12:34:48]

mkrufky:

...but i bought one of those ion 330 boxes, pretty much useless without VDPAU support

[12:35:05]

juski:

mkrufky: if it was a good idea and possible or easy for mythtv versions to be backwards compatible I'm sure they would be

[12:35:16]

mkrufky:

hey, i dont expect a solution, just stating my desires

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juski:

anyway *what* risks upgrading?

[12:36:09]

juski:

if you just do an update yourself (i.e. build it from source) rather than rely on some packager's definition... ;-)

[12:36:14]

mkrufky:

risks that my system is different than other people's systems, so i am bound to find new obscure issues that wont be solved as soon as id like

[12:36:43]

juski:

the big thing will be the move to Qt => 4.4

[12:37:14]

juski:

that shouldn't cause you any mythtv specific problems though

[12:37:28]

juski:

system-wise... I won't make any guarantees :P

[12:37:52]

mkrufky:

its not a matter of relying on a package maintainer... . if mythtv devs dont consider it stable enough for release, then its not stable enough for my main system

[12:38:00]

mkrufky:

i have 0.22 installed already on a test box

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mkrufky:

:-)

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juski:

if it's not considered ready, it won't be released. simple as that

[12:38:48]

mkrufky:

yup, thats why i am not asking for anything, just stating how i wish there was backwards compatability

[12:39:06]

juski:

a few silly things have crept into releases the last couple of times but nothing that wasn't fixed quickly. last one I remember was something to do with mythweb

[12:39:12]

mkrufky:

hehehe... for somebody to go try to add that now would only introduce new instabilities ;-)

[12:39:52]

juski:

mkrufky: think it's safe to say that not having backwards compatibility makes life less of a headache for the developers

[12:40:00]

mkrufky:

understood

[12:40:38]

mkrufky:

i might just run the windows frontend on that ion box until 0.22 is offocially released and the distro forces my upgrade

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juski:

nobody bumps the protocol & db schema versions lightly

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mkrufky:

er, not windors frontend, sorry /// i meant mythtvplayer

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mkrufky:

(i hate to say that ill rely on win7 in the meanwhile, but if it works, then it works)

[12:41:43]

mkrufky:

it wont stop me from writing new linux drivers :-)

[12:42:22]

juski:

will mythtvplayer even be able to use the video decoding HW on the ion?

[12:43:05]

mkrufky:

it didnt work last time i tried, but i have to get new windows drivers etc and try again .... i would assume that nvidia's windows drivers should support hw accel out of the box

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juski:

heh. nice assumption

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mkrufky:

:-)

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mkrufky:

i havent played with that box since the day after i got it... been too busy here :-/

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juski:

I've been too busy to do much that interests me for a while :-\

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mkrufky:

me either

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juski:

just seen a competitor's DVR product. Makes ours look like a heath robinson piece of crap. Heh

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juski:

same price, double the performance. and it looks nicer. and it's a simpler hardware design

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juski:

eew. Nasty. http://linux.softpedia.com/get/Multimedia/MythRip-50521.shtml

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slayven:

juski: why nasty?

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slayven:

I was waiting for a mkv transcoder

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paperclip:

that looks pretty nifty.. why isn't it done within myth?

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wagnerrp:

paperclip: the only two faults i see with it is that...

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wagnerrp:

1... it cannot modify files in-place, it is only for transcoding and exporting outside of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

2... it uses its own internal job queue, rather than using mythtv's, so you can only transcode on the machine running the GUI

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paperclip:

i guess it's like those tivo rippers..

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paperclip:

so.. my raid card shipped from LA and not from Memphis.. :(

[13:50:05]

paperclip:

but the molex to SATA power adapter shipped from Memphis

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wagnerrp:

seems ive run through four movies overnight

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wagnerrp:

fifth one finishes in five minutes

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paperclip:

run through?

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wagnerrp:

rip/transcode of dvds

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paperclip:

ahh

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fvilas:

Hi, I have a mythweb configuration issue. I'm not getting preview images, and if I put the image url in the address bar, the error is "failed to open stream". And yes, allow_url_fopen is on

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fvilas:

when I grab the url that file_get_contents is trying to open and use that in the address bar, the image appears

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juski:

slayven: nasty because it's external

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juski:

nasty because it's able to delete files externally too

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wagnerrp:

juski: no... it tells mythbackend to delete files

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wagnerrp:

although its written for 0.21, with an old mashed up version of the 0.22 bindings

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juski:

still, I'd rather see an actual plugin

[14:13:34]

juski:

y'know with a *real* gui

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wagnerrp:

id like to see the jobqueue support more than four tasks

[14:14:28]

juski:

make it so ;-)

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wagnerrp:

yeah yeah....

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juski:

I think things'll get nicer when mythtranscode can use libavcodec better

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superdump:

what needs doing with respect to that?

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juski:

ie. offer more format choices than mjpeg & mpeg4 :)

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superdump:

and what does mythtranscode do that can't be done by calling ffmpeg directly?

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juski:

superdump: support cutlists?

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wagnerrp:

interface better with mythtv

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juski:

and AFAIK it updates the seektable in process too

[14:20:17]

superdump:

hmm, maybe when our playlist functionality is complete, that will help

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wagnerrp:

eh? i dont see how playlists has anything to do with transcoding

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juski:

our?

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superdump:

i would think it's been designed to allow specification of some source plus some start/end time and other bits and pieces of information

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** superdump is an FFmpeg dev **

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superdump:

wagnerrp: a bit more than a basic playlist

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superdump:

but that may deal with the cutlist issue

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juski:

ah I thought you meant mythtv's playlisting bits

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wagnerrp:

when i think playlist, i think of just a list of files you give to some media player to play in sequence

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wagnerrp:

is this something different?

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superdump:

yes

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juski:

superdump: can you get them to stop changing the commandline options so often? ;-)

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iamlindoro:

superdump, was looking at the latest patch yesterday for exactly that purpose-- got called away by work before I came to any conclusion... lord knows I'd be deliriously happy if I could do even GOP-level chopping of h.264 in TS w/ ffmpeg

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superdump:

i think it was mostly born of concatenation discussions

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iamlindoro:

(myth's "lossless" transcode is MPEG-2 in TS only :( )

[14:23:09]

superdump:

and rather than just being able to list input files, something more flexible was proposed

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superdump:

in the form of playlists

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superdump:

juski: well, michael is quite strict about adding/removing/altering command line options

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superdump:

but sometimes it was either done wrong in the first place or it's been deprecated due to expansion of the functionality associated with some option

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juski:

I've only had my scripts break once or twice, it's not a big deal. certainly nothing a --help can't sort out

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gbee:

they seem to change every six months

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superdump:

or it's being changed for consistency purposes

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gbee:

or they did

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superdump:

:)

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juski:

come to think, I can't actually remember the last time I had to fix a script so they might not have changed in a while

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superdump:

i quite liked that UI for transcoding that pio linked in here the other day

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superdump:

because one could specify the command lines manually

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superdump:

all the bit rates changed from kilobits per second to bits per second quite a while ago

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superdump:

that would have messed up a few scripts with hardcoded values

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superdump:

trellis is no longer a flag

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iamlindoro:

superdump, I'm a quality fiend so I'd be very happy if I could specify acodec copy/vcodec copy and a list of cuts and have ffmpeg give me the nearest GOP to each cut point to avoid transcoding

[14:27:05]

superdump:

i'm sure other things have changed too

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superdump:

iamlindoro: yup, definitely

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superdump:

how reliable is the commercial flagging?

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gbee:

fwiw I second what iamlindoro said about lossless h.264 transcoding, I'd kill for that right now

[14:27:48]

iamlindoro:

depends on locale-- can be quite good here in the US, but varies quite a bit elsewhere

[14:27:49]

juski:

what use if bits per second resolution? confused

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juski:

s/if/is

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superdump:

i noticed while i was in the US that there's no gap between a program and adverts

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superdump:

there's a pause in the UK

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superdump:

with silence and black frames

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juski:

superdump: huh?

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superdump:

makes it obvious

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juski:

what channels do you watch?

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wagnerrp:

sometimes there is a pause, sometimes not

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juski:

the majority of stuff on the main commercial channels (ITV1 & CH4) is hard cut

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superdump:

i was watching futurama and then it flipped into an advert about futurama and i got confused for a few seconds

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superdump:

hmm

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gbee:

and by transcoding I mean stripping useless streams and cutting out sections of the video without actually re-encoding the frames, just re-writing the frame counts etc

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juski:

programme, bumper, ads, bumper, programme

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juski:

superdump: ahh Sky One. heh. commflagging in mythtv used to work without any issues on there. almost 100%

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superdump:

some things used bits or bits per secnd, some use kilobits per second, they were made consistent and bits are the lowest common denominator

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gbee:

superdump: more common over here for it to fade into the advert, which is nasty because you are going to lose a 3/4 frames of the video on either side of the cut

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superdump:

you can use -b 2000k or -b 2M though

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** superdump catches up **

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juski:

yeah film4 fade over a few frames

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juski:

Five have very short bumpers & sometimes fade to black

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superdump:

hmm

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juski:

channels where the logo is taken off for the ads commflag well

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superdump:

whenever i've been watching it pretty much always fades to black

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superdump:

maybe i'm mistaken though

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juski:

superdump: it might just be the show which does that & they choose to do the breaks then ;-)

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superdump:

anyway, i can definitely understand wanting to select streams and then streamcopy but cut out only the bits you want

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gbee:

I've never really found commflagging to work in the UK, maybe I never tried the right combination of methods, but in the end I just edit manually which doesn't take long and when I'm not planning to keep the recording I just 'jump' over the ads – 1 minute jump configured, between 3–5 presses and your past the adverts

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juski:

I wish to hell they'd flag the ads properly, it'd be a boon for stopping people changing channels on STBs :D

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superdump:

:)

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superdump:

but then you could configure an adblocker for tv streams :B

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superdump:

while(ad flag detected) { display "DENIED!" on screen; }

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superdump:

ok

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superdump:

i'll sort out this issue with mythtv now, while people are around :)

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iamlindoro:

pfft! while (adflag) { retrieveBeer(); checkScores(); } ;)

[14:36:51]

superdump:

i've configured my xmltv source and mythfilldatabase looks like it's populated the db (at least it took as long as it usually does)

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superdump:

but when i look at the epg, it's empty

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iamlindoro:

superdump, have you checked tomorrow/a few days from now?

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juski:

scrolled down much?

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gbee:

while (adflag) { fastfoward(); }

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superdump:

let's have a look

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juski:

I suspect you're using freeview & you have two of every channel

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juski:

one working *actual* scanned channel, with no epg data

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juski:

and a set of non-working channels *with* epg data thanks to mythfilldatabase

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juski:

I hate that, and I've not been able to dream up a suitable solution other than nasty scripts

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superdump:

definitely empty

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superdump:

hmm

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superdump:

i have a dual tuner card (wintv nova-td 500 pci)

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juski:

so you scanned for channels then ran mythfilldatabase?

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gbee:

TDs working now?

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juski:

did you set xmltvids on any channels?

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juski:

gbee: been working a while. they brought a new version out

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juski:

new chipset :)

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juski:

*supported* chipset apparently

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gbee:

huh

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juski:

what I heard :)

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gbee:

what's the diversity add I wonder

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superdump:

i set one tuner to have the EIT enabled, i added the xmltv source and linked it to one tuner and scanned for channels, then linked it to the other tuner as well

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juski:

the ability to choose teh strongest signal from 2 aerials of course :D

[14:41:04]

superdump:

diversity is supposed to allow you to use two antennae to pick up different channels

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wagnerrp:

juski: where did you find the link for mythrip, i dont see it on any of the lists

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superdump:

yeah

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superdump:

and that

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juski:

wagnerrp: twitter

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wagnerrp:

bleh...

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superdump:

:)

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** superdump doesn't tweet **

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superdump:

140 chars? that's worse than SMS!

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juski:

I like to laugh at the clueless dolts moaning

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juski:

superdump: it pays to be succinct

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superdump:

http://pastebin.com/d47b76329

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superdump:

seems to be ok

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superdump:

right?

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juski:

superdump: you can't use EIT AND xmltv at the same time

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superdump:

well i'm not really

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superdump:

i had it enabled on both before because that's the default

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juski:

yeah but for xmltv to work you need to set xmltv IDs for every channel

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superdump:

but i didn't make any EIT source or link it to the tuners

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superdump:

hmm

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superdump:

how?

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juski:

and that doesn't happen (yet) automagically

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juski:

with a nasty script or the channel editor

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juski:

or mythweb

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superdump:

where's the nasty script?

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juski:

dunno

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superdump:

can't be bothered to set up mythweb right now

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juski:

I do it manually

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superdump:

that'll take a while

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juski:

I keep forgetting about this actually. It's a real ducking pain having to do this

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superdump:

:)

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superdump:

well i'm using xmltv because i thought it was preferred over EIT

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juski:

if xmltvids didn't keep bloody changing so often we could have myth insert the IDs & solve the problem

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quicksilver:

it's also annoying when chanids change, I think

[14:46:57]

quicksilver:

maybe I've missed the automatic way to solve that

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superdump:

what's the id for? so the channel name doesn't have to be used?

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juski:

the xmltvid is a url-like identifier for each channel. it's unique

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wagnerrp:

chanid is just some internal arbitrary number for mythtv to identify the channels

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scan_away is now known as scan

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wagnerrp:

channum is some external arbitrary number for you to identify the channels

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superdump:

juski: but what is it used for?

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juski:

it's passed to the xmltv grabber so it knows what to grab

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wagnerrp:

xmltvid is the channel id from the listings provider

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wagnerrp:

although im surprised those change

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juski:

and i think what quicksilver meant was – he wishes there was a way to handle DVB lineup changes more gracefully

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quicksilver:

I probably meant channum, sorry

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juski:

wagnerrp: oh they do. not all that often these days, but often enough to break hardcoded things

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superdump:

i thought xmltv grabbers were external and the channels you want to grab and so on are stored in its config file...

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** wagnerrp is happy to have SD **

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quicksilver:

it's not just DVB lineup changes – it's when a DVB lineup changes re-numbers an existing channum

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juski:

superdump: they are. and they do store their configs in a config file

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** Shadow__X secounds that **

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juski:

quicksilver: I consider that a lineup change

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quicksilver:

like E4 changed channum last year, or something

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quicksilver:

juski: agreed

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juski:

bloody renaming channels every ducking five minutes

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quicksilver:

quite.

[14:50:18]

wagnerrp:

quicksilver: channum is just a number for you to use

[14:50:21]

superdump:

channel=midlands.bbc1.bbc.co.uk <--- is that one?

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juski:

shuffling stuff around like they've no respect for us

[14:50:29]

juski:

superdump: yes

[14:50:53]

Shadow__X:

do they honestly change it every 5 minutes

[14:50:57]

juski:

and this whole deal with 'logical' channels pisses me off too

[14:50:59]

wagnerrp:

freqid and serviceid are what define the channel in a dvb multiplex

[14:51:20]

juski:

Shadow__X: no, but way too often. every couple of weeks or so sometimes

[14:51:27]

Shadow__X:

hmm thats a pain

[14:51:28]

juski:

rescan., rescan. RESCAN. ARGHHH

[14:51:29]

superdump:

juski: are they only disovered when configuring xmltv?

[14:51:44]

Shadow__X:

i remember when i first setup a box it takes me around 2hrs to setup the channels but then thats it

[14:51:47]

juski:

discovered?

[14:51:53]

Shadow__X:

i wouldnt want to do that every 3 weeks

[14:52:12]

juski:

Shadow__X: channels come & go, get rebranded..

[14:52:15]

superdump:

well i'm guessing when configuring xmltv, the 'urls' are obtained from somewhere, aren't they?

[14:52:18]

juski:

move up & down the channel list...

[14:52:31]

juski:

superdump: they're stored online & in a local file called channel_ids

[14:53:00]

superdump:

so they get updated when the grabber updates its cache?

[14:53:07]

juski:

putting channels on timeslots was the worst thing they could ever have done

[14:53:10]

juski:

superdump: in theory

[14:53:35]

juski:

and MHEG placeholders. sheesh. give me a break

[14:53:39]

juski:

they are NOT channels

[14:53:51]

superdump:

you mean 301 and whatever? :)

[14:53:55]

superdump:

BBC red button

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quicksilver:

wagnerrp: when a channum changes, and then a rescan finds a different service on the old channum, your channels table has two channels with the same channum in

[14:54:17]

quicksilver:

wagnerrp: at that point, one of them is broken, and can't be used to record or for livetv

[14:54:18]

juski:

no, I mean the channels which aren't even bloody channels. Like directgov & rabbitGayChat

[14:54:28]

superdump:

:)

[14:54:42]

wagnerrp:

quicksilver: forget channum, channum is absolutely nothing

[14:54:48]

quicksilver:

wagnerrp: I may have the wrong column name, but there is definitely something that changes on channel reshuffle which has this property.

[14:54:56]

juski:

channum is not absolutely nothing

[14:55:02]

wagnerrp:

its an arbitrary number, unused by anything, only showed on screen to you do you know what it is

[14:55:10]

juski:

wagnerrp: you assume we actually pay any attentiion to CALLSIGN in the UK

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wagnerrp:

s/do/so/

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juski:

which most of us do not

[14:55:49]

juski:

for most intents & purposes, CALLSIGN == channel name

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superdump:

juski: so the issue is that these 'urls' can change and when they do, they need to be remapped to something in mythtv?

[14:56:52]

juski:

no the main issue is that tv_grab_uk_rt will populate your database with USELESS channels (with xmltvids & guide data) if your *scanned* channels do not have xmltvids set

[14:57:15]

superdump:

:/

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wagnerrp:

juski: well if the program table does list callsigns, mythtv should be able to correct channels moved within the same multiplex

[14:57:34]

wagnerrp:

of course you do still have to recscan

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juski:

for every channel the grabber finds a description for in the .xmltv file which doesn't have an xmltvid set in the database, you'll get one inserted

[14:57:44]

juski:

wagnerrp: they move all over the show

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juski:

and callsigns are irrelevant here

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superdump:

i guess i'll fire up mythtv-setup and assign them then

[14:58:01]

juski:

they're channel names

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juski:

and they're called channel names. Not callsigns

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quicksilver:

all I know is something breaks whenever a channel moves

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quicksilver:

;)

[14:58:56]

quicksilver:

and I have to fix it by hand in the tables.

[14:59:22]

juski:

the problem is this: when freeview changes its lineup whenever it ducking feels like, we wind up having to delete all our channels & totally rescan, which ducks up our recording schedules

[14:59:43]

juski:

or we have to resort to manual db mangling

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juski:

it's horrible

[15:00:08]

juski:

wouldn't be half as much of a pain if it was less frequent

[15:00:42]

juski:

and changing the way mythtv operates in this regard would be no small amount of work

[15:01:54]

superdump:

seems like maybe using the EIT would be easier

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juski:

easier, yes

[15:02:15]

juski:

but you'll still be left with the PITA reshuffles cause

[15:02:30]

juski:

STB users have to contend with it too, and God only knows what it breaks on freeview PVRs

[15:02:38]

gbee:

we used to update automatically and we still could, but it has to be done correctly, the previous implementation caused chaos because a channel move wiped all previous settings for that channel breaking recording rules, visibility, eit, xmltvid etc

[15:03:08]

gbee:

a fair number of STBs have to be manually rescanned every time a channel moves

[15:03:20]

juski:

prolly the majority

[15:03:37]

juski:

no idea what happens to upcoming recordings on freeview DVRs if a channel moves :)

[15:03:39]

paperclip:

anyone using an HDhomerun?

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gbee:

when Virgin 1 moved they ran a two month ad campaign to get people to rescan their boxes

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juski:

I hope to Christ things settle down some post analogue switchoff

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juski:

even if all we had to do was rescan it's still a PITA

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juski:

they should desist from their messing around :)

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gbee:

paperclip: a lot of people, yes

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paperclip:

i think the local cable company juggles clear QAM just to lean folks toward their digital offering..

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gbee:

QAM == digital

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paperclip:

ok

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juski:

think paperclip means to give people an incentive to move to their own STB

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paperclip:

you do know what I mean right?

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paperclip:

which is their "digital offering"

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gbee:

paperclip: you mean free vs subscription :)

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paperclip:

you pay for cable here..

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paperclip:

anywho.. i can scan my hdhomerun with the command line tool and see all the channels I expect

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superdump:

ah, so this is the new scan window daniel did

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paperclip:

but the channel scan in myth-setup never locates any

[15:08:37]

superdump:

was some xmltvid stuff removed recently then? or was i just accidentally using EIT/xmltv simultaneously somehow?

[15:08:45]

superdump:

because i thought i was using xmltv

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superdump:

and before it worked

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superdump:

hmm

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superdump:

no popup asking to add all channels

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paperclip:

is there an easily searchable archive of the mythtv-users maillist?

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wagnerrp:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/

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paperclip:

danke

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wagnerrp:

apparently someone thinks they have discovered magnetic monopoles

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wagnerrp:

and the MPAA is again trying to block analog outputs

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GreyFoxx:

they will never stop trying to bring in a broadcast flag of some sort

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wagnerrp:

yeah, this is the selective output control for first run movie releases again....

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wagnerrp:

i remember hearing something about the theater goer, dvd purchaser, and tv movie watcher are three distinct markets

[15:19:07]

wagnerrp:

and releasing to all three simultaneously would not significantly drop sales in any of them

[15:19:32]

wagnerrp:

all it would do is drastically cut advertising budgets

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superdump:

:)

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GreyFoxx:

I am a consumer of all 3

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GreyFoxx:

which means they just piss me off when they mess with me on 1 of them making me want to stop paying them for the other 2

[15:20:31]

wagnerrp:

and if you could buy the dvd on the same day you could go to the theater, would you not go to the theater?

[15:20:48]

hadees:

if i could get a dvd of a movie from netflix or whever i would rather watch that then tv or the theater

[15:21:01]

iamlindoro:

"Errors connecting to alternate to the non-localhost, can be "hacked" to work by creating a SSH tunnel to the real mysql server and mirroring it on the localhost. But then other errors may occur later."

[15:21:03]

hadees:

although we got this theater here that serves beer and really good food

[15:21:04]

GreyFoxx:

If it was literally on the same day.... it would depend on the movie. Most I would buy and watching in my own theatire at home

[15:21:05]

paperclip:

in eastern europe you can buy the dvd before it's in the theater

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iamlindoro:

Someone just put that gem in the wiki

[15:21:10]

GreyFoxx:

but some I would stil lwant in the theatre

[15:21:13]

iamlindoro:

let me know when it makes sense to someone

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hadees:

paperclip, is that because it is the US release?

[15:21:37]

wagnerrp:

i mean there are any number of films i own on DVD that i would pay to watch in the theater were they ever replayed

[15:21:53]

paperclip:

hadees: it's the R5 release.. it's early to curb piracy

[15:22:03]

GreyFoxx:

many of the dvd's I own I DID see in the theatre

[15:22:11]

hadees:

paperclip, oh, how can anyone watch those thing, ewww

[15:22:25]

GreyFoxx:

if they do a ghostbustes theatre release before the 3rd movie comes out I would probably go watch it too even though I have it on disc

[15:22:30]

GreyFoxx:

busters

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: the OP has not enabled network access to his mysql server

[15:22:57]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yeah, it's the grammar that hurts me

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gbee:

3rd Ghostbuster movie?

[15:23:13]

paperclip:

hadees: they are generally the same as the R1 dvd.. just minimal packaging and extras like behind the scenes and commentary

[15:23:16]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: There is one in the works. And the entire original cast is signed up :)

[15:23:21]

gbee:

wow, they really are out of ideas

[15:23:43]

hadees:

paperclip, oh i though you meant it was like a cam or something

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wagnerrp:

gbee: they did just release a new video game a couple months ago

[15:23:57]

wagnerrp:

apparently it was pretty decent

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hadees:

wagnerrp, the story was really good

[15:24:14]

paperclip:

hadees: no.. those are pirate copies.. yeah.. those are terrible..

[15:24:18]

hadees:

the game play was so so

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gbee:

not saying that a new GB movie is a bad thing, but to drag up a dead franchise from 15–20 years ago ...

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paperclip:

gbee: star wars?

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iamlindoro:

Just like all the "reboots" and "reimaginings"... people are out of ideas

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gbee:

paperclip: and we all know how well that turned out

[15:24:54]

GreyFoxx:

gbee: Apparently Dan Ackroyd has been trying to get it going all that time but bill Murray wouldn't sign on

[15:24:58]

GreyFoxx:

I guess he has now :)

[15:25:11]

hadees:

iamlindoro, its just they know suckers will go to movies of things they already know

[15:25:53]

hadees:

Murray must be doing it for ironic street cred with his new hipster friends

[15:26:43]

wagnerrp:

apparently OnLive is doing open beta testing

[15:26:51]

hadees:

http://tr.im/xSPj

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gbee:

well I can see why Dan would want to :) His career stalled, Bill has at least been working more regularly and has had a few notable films in this millennium

[15:27:08]

wagnerrp:

thats the service that lets you play high spec games 'on-the-cloud'

[15:27:14]

JEDIDIAH__:

starwars was something that was "intended" to be longer. more like harry potter than rambo

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hadees:

gbee, are you saying Blues Brothers 2000 wasn't the best movie ever?

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JEDIDIAH__:

I figured GB was done after GB2

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gbee:

IMHO the last three star wars films do have a lot in common with Harry Potter

[15:28:06]

wagnerrp:

hadees: it certainly had the most car wrecks

[15:28:09]

gbee:

but that's not really a complement

[15:28:32]

JEDIDIAH__:

books -> movie will always involve a great deal of mutilation.

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gbee:

hadees: heh

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paperclip:

the 70's TV show movies are the best..

[15:29:24]

gbee:

err, yeah, controversial to anyone under the age of 20 I know, but the mutilation in HP started with the books

[15:29:27]

JEDIDIAH__:

what about the 60's TV show movies/

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paperclip:

some one was saying that they will be releasing "Farah Fawcett the Swimsuit Poster" to theaters soon

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wagnerrp:

paperclip: furry swimsuit?

[15:30:31]

JEDIDIAH__:

there's probably enough angels material they could use...

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gbee:

again?

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wagnerrp:

err... nevermind, that was raquel welch

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gbee:

They've already had two terrible 'updated' Angel's films

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paperclip:

wagnerrp: http://www.iballer.com/wallpaper/divas/divas_ . . . x768_jpg.jpg

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paperclip:

heh.. *_jpg.jpg incase you thought it was another format

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JEDIDIAH__:

...you say that like the original was shakespeare.

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JEDIDIAH__:

the same goes for the SW movies too.

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** JEDIDIAH__ wonders if netflix has a copy of Star Crash **

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cesman:

Guess she was excited to have her photo taken or it was cold on the set. ;)

[15:35:35]

JEDIDIAH__:

surely that's a "problem" that they have well established "solutions" for in the industry.

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JEDIDIAH__:

...it's amazing how old klunkers end up on Amazon for outrageous amounts of money.

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wagnerrp:

does the remote control on the 1600 work with lirc?

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iamlindoro:

it should, j-rod based the HD-PVR lirc stuff on the HVR-1600 support

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iamlindoro:

(same zilog chip)

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j-rod:

yeah, should work

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paperclip:

hmm.. i just installed hdhomerun_config on my fe/be and it can't "discover" the hdhr

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paperclip:

strange

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wagnerrp:

paperclip: the HDHR is on? on the same physical segment? did you set up a DHCP server to give it an address? is the address using the same broadcast address as your backend?

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laga:

iamlindoro: rotfl

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iamlindoro:

heh ;)

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sid3windr:

are oh tee ef ell

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laga:

he did it for teh lulz

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wombo:

node808 lol

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node808:

sorry

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node808:

ok

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node808:

Im so bored at work..my bad

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wombo:

yeah

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node808:

hey I do need to know something....can I use mythtv with directv?

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wombo:

#mythtv is a pretty strict channel for dev only stuff

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node808:

I really didnt realize that until after my first posting...Im just going to leave that channel now

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sid3windr:

run forrest

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iamlindoro:

You can use Myth with DirecTV, but you will need one set top box for every item you wish to record concurrently

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iamlindoro:

ie dish->Set top box->Capture card

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wombo:

Why come?

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iamlindoro:

with an ir emitter changing channels on the boxes for you

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iamlindoro:

wombo: are you speaking to me?

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wombo:

no

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iamlindoro:

ah, ok :)

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paperclip:

is it normal for a scan to end and go directly to mythfilldatabase?

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laga:

no

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paperclip:

mine did..

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laga:

you should also mention you're running mythbuntu

[16:10:22]

paperclip:

oh

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paperclip:

I'm running mythbuntu

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laga:

oh, yeah – the mythfilldatabase question is run *after* mythtv-setup has ended

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laga:

so it probably crashed

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paperclip:

i guess so..

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paperclip:

that's what it looked like to me.. fortunately it got all the channels i care about.

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node808:

SO with directv I couldnt record while channel surfing....well, I would be recording the channel surfing

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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paperclip:

if you only have one tuner/STB that would be my guess

[16:19:29]

wagnerrp:

when youre using directtv (or any set-top-box)

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wagnerrp:

you change channels on mythtv, then mythtv changes channels on the stb

[16:19:52]

wagnerrp:

you ABSOLUTELY NEVER touch the stb

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wagnerrp:

if you start using the STB outside of mythtv, youre just going to cause problems

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J-e-f-f-A:

node808: Yeah, like wagnerrp said, you 'hide' the STB remote, and never use it again – it becomes a dedicated tuner to MythTV.

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wagnerrp:

at most, you may have to occasionally fiddle with the stb to get it back into the mode mythtv expects it to be

[16:22:22]

wagnerrp:

say after the headend rolls out a firmware update, and program table update

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J-e-f-f-A:

node808: I have 3 Dish network SD receivers for MythTV – each feed S-Video and Analog audio into Hauppauge PVR cards on my myth backend.

[16:22:32]

wagnerrp:

sometimes they go into standby afterwards

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node808:

Ok, thats what I needed to know

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** J-e-f-f-A hasn't had that problem with Dish in a long while – he suspects they 'fixed' the updates to go into the same mode they were in before the update. ;-) **

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node808:

but I didnt realize that messing with the tuner would f-up mythtv

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node808:

J-e-f-f-A: so you have 3 PVR cards?

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J-e-f-f-A:

node808: It won't if you're 'careful' to not change channels, etc, while myth is recording on it. But then again, if you're in the stb's Guide for instance, and myth sends the ir codes for "214<ok>" to change to channel 214 to record something, bang, you're googed...

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J-e-f-f-A:

er goofed...

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J-e-f-f-A:

node808: Yes – a PVR-250 and a dual-tuner PVR-500

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wagnerrp:

office space wasnt made-for-tv was it?

[16:25:45]

node808:

Which allows you to record two channels while watching one?

[16:25:58]

wagnerrp:

node808: no, it allows you to record two channels

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: no, not at all. It's pretty ronchy. They're be lots of editing to get it on TV... ;-)

[16:26:20]

wagnerrp:

there is very little difference between recordings and livetv

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node808:

ok

[16:26:39]

wagnerrp:

when you watch livetv, you are just watching a recording in real time

[16:26:45]

node808:

"lumberg fucked her"

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wagnerrp:

so the 500 can record two things at once

[16:27:07]

wagnerrp:

mythtv can play back as many recordings as your disk and network can handle

[16:27:33]

wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: just odd that im finding the occasional interlaced frame on the DVD

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J-e-f-f-A:

node808: Yeah, with stuff that can't be tuned directly with a card in the computer, your only option is to use a Set-Top-Box from your provider and feed encoder cards on the computer. I have 3xSTB, so I can record 3 things at once from Dish.

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: That's probably a poor conversion from 24fps to 30fps..

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: it looks like the master was interlaced, and run through a temporal blend

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J-e-f-f-A:

node808: ps: watch the language please. ;-)

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node808:

oh right...sorry

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wagnerrp:

but theres the occasional screw up where they leave an interlaced frame in

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wagnerrp:

actually, it looks more like the original was telecined

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wagnerrp:

because the blended and exact frames alternate

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Did you buy that DVD out of the back of a truck in the k-mart parking lot? ;-)

[16:31:31]

wagnerrp:

pretty sure it was best buy

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, the best buy parking lot... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

i mean its unedited, uncensored

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wagnerrp:

so at least they recorded it off HBO or something.. .:P

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sphery:

/sb c

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** J-e-f-f-A laughs **

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sphery:

oops

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: btw: wrong window me thinks... ;-)

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sphery:

that's /scrollback clear

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sphery:

with a space before

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: hehe... doesn't work on my client... ;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A cheers ... boss has left, it's a holiday weekend, and the company is letting us leave 3hrs early today... (and still get paid for the whole day... ;-) ) **

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sphery:

talk about a long weekend... enjoy.

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Yeah, I'm in the same TZ as you, so it's another 90 mins or so... ;-) But still nice!

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sphery:

their mistake is announcing it 90mins early... At this point, how many people will actually get anything done? Might as well just send you home now. :)

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wombo:

hehe yeah

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wombo:

90mins spent packing up and thinking about how you will spend your extra 3 hours

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Hehe... and since the boss is gone already I don't have to hide my NX session when he comes close by... hehehehehe

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** J-e-f-f-A <3's NX ;-) **

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paperclip:

hah

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paperclip:

there's a twitter app that looks like a spreadsheat

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laga:

you must be really desperate if you *want* to look at a spredsheet app all day long

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Any chance to check out that ivtv clip?

[16:44:48]

sphery:

no...

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** J-e-f-f-A wonders what language his fingers are typing today after re-reading his previous line... **

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J-e-f-f-A:

np.

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sphery:

I talked to the guy who submitted the patch. He linked to the discussion on the mythtv wiki ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-500#Audio_Instability ), so we're looking at trying to figure out how to put something into Myth to "handle" it.

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J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I can test/retest to see if they'll help... the way I was trying to test before was to use LiveTV to get into a 'scratchy audio' state, then attempt the v4l2 commands from the shell.

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sphery:

I think this is another example of a bug like the HVR-1800 one iamlindoro loves... I.e. Myth is the only app that's affected because Myth is the only app that resets stuff between channel changes.

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wagnerrp:

i have to say, its very interesting seeing what bitrate different things compress at when using a constant quantizer

[16:47:35]

wagnerrp:

anything with film grain does horribly

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sphery:

I'm not sure what approach we'll take, yet, but I'll let you know when something goes in. It will most likely be danielk , jan neg , or gno me42 that ends up "fixing" it.

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wagnerrp:

those spaces intentional?

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wagnerrp:

just trying not to ping them or something?

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sphery:

yeah, exactly

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sphery:

and the first one isn't in channel, so no space

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wagnerrp:

crap... i just threw the wrong chapters into the last three rips

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: so instead of the movie, you just got the preview for "Dude, where's my car?" ;-)

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wagnerrp:

huh? no... i muxed in the chapters from the wrong movie

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J-e-f-f-A:

[ot] is it just me, or has Gmail been really slow the past week or so...

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wagnerrp:

it was actually down a couple days ago

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highzeth:

only web, imap(s) & smtp was unaffected

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paperclip:

how can I ensure that myth uses VPADU

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paperclip:

a 1080i stream is clobbering my cpu

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J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: in your playback profiles.

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paperclip:

ahh

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** paperclip looks **

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J-e-f-f-A:

setup one where the resolution is >= whatever x 720 to use VDPAU

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J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: Or if you want it to always use VDPAU, set it to >= 0 x 0 ... (BTW – assuming you're running Trunk)

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paperclip:

I'm running packages from jya's repo

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laga:

and suddenly, the channel fell silent.

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J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: Ah – then I dunno, but should be in the same place. We don't generally get involved with backport support in here, but if jya's around, he'll probably help.

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paperclip:

ok.. i think i'll be able to set that up.. noticed it before, but didn't see vpadu

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paperclip:

thanks

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paperclip:

nice

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paperclip:

looks great.. but keeps dropping to the error screen.. probably just networking to the hdhr

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paperclip:

are there ubuntu packages of trunk?

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J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: i dunno...

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wagnerrp:

you dont want to use them

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paperclip:

heh

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paperclip:

first rule about trunk packages..

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wagnerrp:

if you are using trunk, you should follow commits and build your own packages

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wagnerrp:

dont rely on someone else's builds

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J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: I have my HDHR connected to the same Gigabit switch that my Myth backend is connected to. I don't have issues w/it...

[17:36:38]

paperclip:

gotcha

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paperclip:

using wifi at the moment..

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** J-e-f-f-A does that with his trunk box. ;-) **

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wagnerrp:

well theres one problem

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paperclip:

but it will be wired to the router

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J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: hdhr over wifi? ick.

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wagnerrp:

802.11g is marginally capable of a single ATSC stream

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** paperclip moves the box to the living room **

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paperclip:

it's n

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paperclip:

but hey

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wagnerrp:

n will handle one, maybe two

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wagnerrp:

but if youre using QAM with multirec, youll probably end up in trouble

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paperclip:

it's OTA

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, you are going to have problems with the network dropping

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wagnerrp:

the HDHR has very little buffer space

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paperclip:

i can't get a lock on QAM on my TV.. HDHR may, but the signal here is crap..

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wagnerrp:

so a network outage of a couple seconds (like if you drop and reconnect) is fatal

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paperclip:

i'll let you know how wired goes..

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Gav8in:

there's now gigabit powerline networking gear available

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wagnerrp:

Gav8in: no there isnt

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paperclip:

heh

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wagnerrp:

there is equipment rated at ~200mbps, with gigabit connections on either end

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wagnerrp:

but powerline isnt much better a solution than wireless

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J-e-f-f-A:

paperclip: I suspect it will be purrrfect – assuming you've got a strong enough signal from your antenna.

[17:41:14]

wagnerrp:

and then you have a problem with houses using split 220V wiring, problems with running your data across a big antenna...

[17:41:20]

Gav8in:

http://catalog.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.pr . . . ct_Id=495008

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Gav8in:

i also saw some of those on a shelf at best buy; they are clearly claiming that a gigabit is "possible" whatever that means.

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wagnerrp:

Gav8in: yeah, ive seen them

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wagnerrp:

they promise a lot... produce something less

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Gav8in:

yup

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gbee:

price isn't exactly competitive to wireless either IMHO

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J-e-f-f-A:

yeah "Up to 1000Mbps" "**NOTE: The standard transmission rate1000Mbpsis the ideal physical data rate. Actual data throughput and distance will be lower, depending on interference, network traffic, building materials, and other conditions." <-- sounds like a drug commercial disclaimer...

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Gav8in:

"Note: does not actually work."

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J-e-f-f-A:

"taking xyz may result in Death, permanent paralysis or a vegitative state"

[17:44:03]

gbee:

"You may get better, or you may die"

[17:44:19]

gbee:

on cold medicine ...

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Gav8in:

well, on cold medicine, it's worse; it doesn't even help you get better

[17:45:01]

Gav8in:

and with kids it's too easy to give a dangerous amount; it was probably wise for the FDA to tell people to stop giving cold medicine to kids

[17:45:58]

AndyCap:

so what does it do. knock you out and hope you're better when you wake up? :P

[17:45:59]

J-e-f-f-A:

Gav8in: But they sleep really well with a little Benadryl! ;-)

[17:46:15]

Gav8in:

heh.

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Gav8in:

oh god. yesterday i got a vicious headache at work. i went home

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Gav8in:

toddler throwing up. wife queazy, wanting a nap

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Gav8in:

infant crawling through vomit

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XLV:

Gav8in, there was also some review of some multi-beam N wireless devices on tomshardware that could manage good speeds.. 100Mbps or something

[17:48:36]

XLV:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/beamformi . . . us,2390.html

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XLV:

but they are expensive.. 300$ iirc

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wagnerrp:

XLV: again, throughput is fine, but you still have to worry about stability

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wagnerrp:

youre going to drop connections occasionally

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wagnerrp:

and on something like the HDHR, you will run out of buffer before you can reconnect

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XLV:

wagnerrp, yeah, in the review at least it was stable... he streamed two hd streams

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XLV:

they specifically mentioned that... on the contrary with normal N devices which have very erratic connections, those beamforming devices had a stable one

[17:52:04]

wagnerrp:

oh, you mean the 25 antenna monstrosity?

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Gav8in:

does powerline networking cut out like wireless, or is it just consistantly slow?

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XLV:

http://www.tomshardware.com/gallery/Ruckus-79 . . . ---jpg-.html

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XLV:

its not 25 antennas, but its strange

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wagnerrp:

i count somewhere in the 50s

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AndyCap:

of course if you're made of money there's also xirrus. :P

[17:55:39]

AndyCap:

but they won't save a single user. :P

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paperclip:

wired connection works pretty well..

[17:57:29]

wagnerrp:

why is this on the wiki? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Yahoo!_Origin_of_the_name

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paperclip:

:)

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Gav8in:

well, aren't we all concerned with the 18th century origins of the modern novel, a type of narrative entertainment that directly leads to modern multi-episode dramas like NBC's heroes?

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wagnerrp:

oh, the poster screwed up... there were undisplayed ads in there

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** Gav8in prefers a Tale of a Tub. **

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sphery:

wagnerrp: heh...

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: hehe... wasn't up there long... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I was looking at it, went to the 'history' tab, and you'd just deleted it...

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sphery:

that's that username's only contribution

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wagnerrp:

is that actually spam? or is that some sort of page ranking play for google?

[18:01:44]

sphery:

wonder if there was other phishing/trojan/virus related linkage in there

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gbee:

deleted/banned

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** sphery adds a "TiVo: Origin of the name" page... **

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sphery:

(and promptly gets deleted/banned)

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wagnerrp:

about time... serves you right for putting all that useful information on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

siigggghhhh

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iamlindoro:

Dear Kids: Things that it is embarassing for a fairly experienced linux admin to do: chmod -R 766 /

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sphery:

we should also ban iamlindoro ... He's put a /lot/ more useful info (both more and more-useful) in than I.

[18:06:17]

iamlindoro:

(accidentally)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: ouch...

[18:06:48]

iamlindoro:

finger slipped :(

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: one of the guys at work accidentally chown'd /home instead of /home/<user>

[18:07:21]

iamlindoro:

Think I have it *almost* back to where it ought to be, but suspect I'll be chasing random file permission issues for a bit

[18:07:21]

sphery:

I remember my: rm /usr/bin/s* (which was supposed to be /usr/bin/soffice* )

[18:07:24]

wagnerrp:

screwed up the whole network since it was a shared home directory between several hundred machines

[18:07:47]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, for that one, I'd reinstall

[18:07:52]

iamlindoro:

good thing it was only a really important server that is non-redundant and user by the whole company

[18:07:53]

iamlindoro:

sigh

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sphery:

oh...

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sid3windr:

iamlindoro: you could try find on another machine and chown-alike with a small script :)

[18:08:01]

iamlindoro:

er used

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sphery:

not a home thing...

[18:08:04]

sphery:

that's touch

[18:08:07]

sid3windr:

could help somewhat

[18:08:18]

sphery:

touch

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jamesd2:

iamlindoro, what is even more embarasing and finding out after a coworker ran chmod 777 / is that only 4 directories/files needed to be changed to something other than the new setting... true st ory.. that place was a nightmare waiting to happen... 500 users logged in via telnet as well...

[18:08:30]

sphery:

tough... can't spell non-posix words

[18:08:31]

sid3windr:

sphery means tough, I'll help him out ;>

[18:08:33]

sid3windr:

grin

[18:08:36]

sphery:

thx

[18:08:47]

sid3windr:

I had to type "director" a few times yesterday

[18:08:48]

iamlindoro:

I killed it pretty quick, but a frustrating mistake none the less

[18:08:54]

sid3windr:

auto-added a "y" EVERY time

[18:09:06]

sphery:

I do that a lot, too

[18:09:21]

sid3windr:

or: you can tell you're irc addicted, if you autotype "is" right after every "who" .. ;)

[18:09:26]

sphery:

and for some reason--even though it's nothing to do with computers--it seems most computer people type ration when they mean ratio

[18:09:53]

sphery:

lots of people who don't want to run out of their aspects so they ration it...

[18:10:02]

sid3windr:

:)

[18:10:17]

sid3windr:

Results 1 – 10 of about 71,600 for "aspect ration". (0.20 seconds)

[18:10:32]

gbee:

iamlindoro: guess I'm glad for msec then, it would notify me of all the permission changes and what they were, plus reset a lot of the files automatically at the next pass, but still a huge pain

[18:10:55]

sphery:

I find it annoying when IRC doesn't autocomplete random words for me... My left pinky seems to think that it can finish up any long words just by hitting tab... It's the laziest of my fingers...

[18:11:11]

iamlindoro:

Guess I needed something to keep me busy for the day...

[18:11:48]

sphery:

think of J-e-f-f-A , who gets to go home 3hrs early, when you're working 3hrs late tonight... :)

[18:12:03]

gbee:

sphery: I find working on any non-mandriva linux system frustrating beyond works because they don't feature the history based autocomplete that I'm so used to :)

[18:12:15]

wagnerrp:

sphery: what gets me is trying to autocomplete a path, using a GUI that tabs over to a new input box and wipes your old one

[18:12:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: hey, that's mean! (just getting ready to shut down... but mean to him!)

[18:12:29]

sphery:

yeah, you had mentioned that yours is different from the readline-based autocomplete I use...

[18:12:35]

sphery:

or at least differently implemented

[18:12:55]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: since you've got some extra time, you could hop a flight to the west coast and help iamlindoro out

[18:13:18]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: hehe... By the time I got there, he'd be all done... (~7 hrs...) ;-)

[18:13:36]

sphery:

small airport with layover?

[18:13:44]

** iamlindoro plans to have this fixed up by lunch, dangit **

[18:13:48]

sid3windr:

gbee: something different than bash's ^R ?

[18:13:53]

gbee:

PgUp/PgDown cycles through matches, saves a lot of typing and I'm so lazy I hate to be without it

[18:13:55]

AndyCap:

people start out with programmable completion then go into full blown bashish.

[18:14:00]

sphery:

remember, though, you're going back in time when you head west, so you might be able to stop him /before/ he does it

[18:14:02]

gbee:

sid3windr: yeah, better IMHO

[18:14:09]

sid3windr:

mm :)

[18:14:12]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Ah, there might be direct flights from Logan to his area... Expecially if he's close to LAX or SanFran... ;-)

[18:14:37]

gbee:

I thought it was standard bash behaviour for a very long time

[18:14:47]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Ah, yes, I'll be time travelling... ;-)

[18:15:22]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: it's always easier going TO California from the east coast then coming back 2 or 3 weeks later...

[18:15:41]

sphery:

Dr J-e-f-f-A Beckett...

[18:16:01]

Gav8in:

my problem is, the plane lands in california

[18:16:04]

Gav8in:

rolls up towards the gate

[18:16:09]

J-e-f-f-A:

"Roads? Where we're going, we don't NEED roads!"

[18:16:12]

Gav8in:

and in my mind, i can't stop thinking: i could be in paris.

[18:16:19]

Gav8in:

why did I come to california? i could be in paris.

[18:16:23]

sphery:

heh

[18:16:41]

wagnerrp:

with his faithful computer, sphiggy?

[18:16:45]

Gav8in:

i hope noone in california is upset that i favour paris.

[18:17:24]

juski:

why would anybody be upset at that? :-O

[18:17:32]

wagnerrp:

no, but they will yell at you for throwing in arbitrary 'u's

[18:18:49]

[Peter]:

Paris probably has the worlds worst airport.. CDG

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AndyCap:

s/worst/worst mainstream international/

[18:19:52]

[Peter]:

yeah, true :)

[18:20:18]

wagnerrp:

i remember laguardia being pretty bad

[18:20:24]

juski:

aww somebody wanting to nick mheg stuff for gstreamer hell wants help

[18:20:49]

iamlindoro:

Heh, in fairness, wanting to take one open source lib for use in another open source project sounds okay to me

[18:20:57]

iamlindoro:

though he should use the upstream lib

[18:21:06]

iamlindoro:

(and get help from them)

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juski:

yeah but using gstreamer it's likely to be whatever used to be elisa. spit. pting!

[18:22:35]

AndyCap:

ah, splooge, no moovida.

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gbee:

upstream lib doesn't include the rendering stuff which he wanted to borrow too

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Gav8in:

wagnerrp: i can't help it! the u, it sits there tempting my right pointing finger so

[18:23:59]

Gav8in:

colour, flavour, cheque...

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AndyCap:

It adds flavour.

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juski:

just think it's a bit of a cheek wanting help splitting bits of a project out for other things :)

[18:24:38]

[R]:

does anyone here know about firewire and cable boxes?

[18:24:40]

** laga doesn't think so **

[18:24:47]

[R]:

they claim its enabled, but i get nothing showing up on my computer when i plug it in

[18:25:27]

juski:

hmm. it appears you have plugged in a cable box. would you like to record some tv? that kind of thing?

[18:25:32]

laga:

[R]: please go to start -> my computer

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[R]:

laga: its not windows

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gbee:

upstream basically handles the carousel and parses the data into structures, you've still got to take that stuff and actually handle navigation/draw the given images/text/primitives/video to the screen etc

[18:25:41]

AndyCap:

...

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laga:

[R]: then stop acting like a windows user :)

[18:26:01]

[R]:

laga: what do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

they actually say its enabled? rather than 'firewire, whats that?' or 'we dont support firewire'?

[18:26:11]

[R]:

laga: let me rephrase... "nothing is showing up in dmes"

[18:26:14]

[R]:

laga: is that better?

[18:26:21]

[R]:

wagnerrp: so she had no clue what i was talking about

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juski:

slightly

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[R]:

wagnerrp: then she talked to her supervisor and he told her that it is enabled, and then she knew i wanted to hook a computer to it... then said it wsn't supported... but claims her supervisor said its enabled

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j-rod:

[R]: lsmod |grep 1394

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j-rod:

and/or lsmod |grep firewire

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janneg:

[R]: I'm here now and also in #hdpvr

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[R]:

j-rod: all the modules are loaded, and the firewire interface works... because i plugged a hard drive into it and it found it and mounted it

[18:27:40]

** j-rod wonders if he should be in #hdpvr too... **

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[R]:

janneg: ah... do you know about the progress jarod is making with the IR? i tried it last night and failed miserably

[18:28:07]

janneg:

I think it might be a good idea

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gbee:

j-rod: ohh, this is awkward, I guess you weren't invited

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j-rod:

[R]: then you're Doing It Wrong. :)

[18:28:29]

j-rod:

haha

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[R]:

j-rod: haha

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j-rod:

I've got IR working under both 2.6.30 and 2.6.31 now

[18:28:56]

[R]:

so i got it to receive from the bundled remote

[18:29:00]

[R]:

but it was very sluggish

[18:29:16]

[R]:

but if i tried transmitting it would crap out... plus i coudln't get it to recognize my cable box remote

[18:29:38]

J-e-f-f-A:

[R]: Did you lubricate it first before installing it? That's important, otherwise it's gonna be slow/tight...

[18:29:46]

[R]:

J-e-f-f-A: rofl

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j-rod:

you *have* to use the raw ir codes file from blushingpenguin for the blaster

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j-rod:

(or some subset thereof)

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[R]:

i used it

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[R]:

thats how i got the bundled remote to work

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j-rod:

ok, so define 'would crap out'

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[R]:

i got an error message

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** J-e-f-f-A clocks out since he can play on IRC just as well from home as he can from work... ;-) **

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[R]:

ilemme see if i can do it again

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j-rod:

[R]: as for firewire, which driver stack?

[18:31:50]

j-rod:

also, what kernel are you running on there, and with what lirc driver?

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[R]:

j-rod: ah... too many questions... i think its the new stack... i've tried it with f10... also i have an ubuntu 9.04 that i need to try it with also... but i think that also uses the new stack... i get nothing found in my plugreport

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[R]:

j-rod: the f11 one with jarod's patches builtin already

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j-rod:

so 2.6.30.5–45.fc11 ?

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[R]:

um... yes

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[R]:

http://pastebin.com/m44608ab7

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j-rod:

ok, good, now I have a clue what code you're actually running :)

[18:34:15]

[R]:

j-rod: that is the transmitting "crapping out"

[18:34:37]

j-rod:

yeah, you're Doing It Wrong

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[R]:

haha, figures

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j-rod:

irsend SEND_ONCE blaster 0_85_7

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j-rod:

for example

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j-rod:

the 0 prefix means "cable box"

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j-rod:

(1 for sat box)

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j-rod:

the 85 is the motorola 6200 series

[18:35:25]

j-rod:

the 7 is the actual key

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[R]:

i have an sa 8300HD

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[R]:

i wasn't able to find the codes by using the receiver

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j-rod:

that's all in lircd.conf, if you're using the right one

[18:35:54]

j-rod:

you're trying to send hauppauge remote codes through the blaster

[18:35:59]

j-rod:

not gonna work

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[R]:

yes... just to test it out

[18:36:06]

[R]:

ok... fair enough

[18:36:10]

j-rod:

still not gonna work

[18:36:18]

j-rod:

there's no corresponding code is the blaster firmware image

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[R]:

ok, that makes sense

[18:36:26]

j-rod:

the "firmware" is actually a blaster code mapping table

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j-rod:

also, if you hadn't already figured, I *am* jarod.

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[R]:

i saw there was a script on the website with the firmware for finding the right code... should i use that?

[18:36:56]

[R]:

oh... ok... haha

[18:37:05]

[R]:

that makes things easier

[18:37:27]

** j-rod wonders, is his irc nick really that cryptic? **

[18:37:45]

** j-rod notes that 'whois' also shows both first and last name... **

[18:38:01]

[R]:

it does... but then i would have had to think to whois you

[18:38:01]

j-rod:

I'd use 'jarod', but someone else already registered it

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[R]:

ok, so let me lug my cable box over here, and see if i can find the codeset

[18:38:30]

j-rod:

and yes, I guess I'd try that script

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j-rod:

or, you could just read that page on blushingpenguin that says the SA 8300HD is codeset 76

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j-rod:

http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/blog/?p=24 --> http://www.blushingpenguin.com/mark/lmilk/IRcodesets.html

[18:40:07]

[R]:

ah... sweet

[18:40:11]

[R]:

the o0nly tyhing i dont know where the sensor is

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[R]:

how powerful is the transmitter?

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j-rod:

not very

[18:41:46]

[R]:

SA-WEET

[18:41:47]

[R]:

it worked

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[R]:

all the pieces are coming together... now i just need a hard drive

[18:42:50]

j-rod:

ok, now back to firewire. f11, you're running the newer stack.

[18:43:05]

j-rod:

when you plug in a device, there should be spew in dmesg w/its GUID

[18:43:20]

j-rod:

if that's not showing up, your provider is full of shit, the firewire port isn't enabled

[18:43:35]

[R]:

yeah, thats whaat i figured

[18:44:16]

[R]:

i was worried maybe my cable was bad... i doubt that... but i'm gonna bring it in to my work to test it out to make sure... i dont have probes small enough to work in the plug

[18:45:06]

[R]:

because i brought the computer over to a friends house and we used his cable, because his devices were firewire 800 and my plug is 400 on both ends... and it saw the hard drive right away and it just worked

[18:47:02]

[R]:

ok well... i need to play with my new video card

[18:47:06]

[R]:

j-rod: thanks a bunch for the help :)

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j-rod:

np

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sphery:

So, anyone else think Ubuntu should have a Koala launch party thing like http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1532 . . . launch-party

[18:56:02]

juski:

you don't want to know what I think

[18:56:12]

sphery:

heh

[18:56:43]

sphery:

I guess you've already got a Win7 launch party on your schedule?

[18:57:25]

juski:

yeah. since I had the chip fitted I'm all over windows 7

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sphery:

:)

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dustybin:

i now have asterisk working on my box :D

[19:07:46]

dustybin:

MythTV provides multimedia. ZoneMinder provides CCTV security. Heyu X10 controls electrics. Asterisk controls telephones.

[19:08:30]

dustybin:

Postfix mail server. Bind9 DNS

[19:08:32]

juski:

and CFL lighting provides annoyance & disturbs your X10. YAY

[19:09:03]

dustybin:

mine has been ok

[19:09:18]

AndyCap:

Open the fridge door HAL!

[19:09:28]

AndyCap:

I'm sorry dustybin, I'm afraid I can't do that

[19:09:32]

dustybin:

LOL

[19:10:08]

dustybin:

I hardly ever ring anybody because of the ultra high price of mobile phone tarriffs, now i dont mind calling people as my VOIP calls are so cheap

[19:10:19]

laga:

do people mind being called?

[19:10:42]

dustybin:

usually i send unsociable SMS messages

[19:12:41]

juski:

*dustybin is now following you on Twitter. Oh block

[19:13:19]

dustybin:

I now plan to rid my mobile phone contract, it ends soon. switch that to pay-as-you-go, i will use VOIP to make calls

[19:13:45]

dustybin:

the futures bright, the futures VOIP

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iamlindoro:

The future is whatever anyone tells you it is, apparently

[19:14:21]

iamlindoro:

You are a marketing exec's dream

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: that is slogan from a mobile phone advert: the futures bright, the futures orange

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dustybin:

i bastardized it :D

[19:14:47]

laga:

point proven ;)

[19:14:48]

iamlindoro:

You are an advert

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juski:

for contraception

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wagnerrp:

your future is a room with a moose

[19:15:26]

laga:

what's wrong with a moose?

[19:15:49]

wagnerrp:

its chewing walnuts

[19:15:59]

dustybin:

oh look, a new email: [PBX]: New message 1 in mailbox 1000

[19:16:38]

dustybin:

oh, that was me.

[19:18:09]

sid3windr:

is there an easy way to copy all settings from one frontend to another?

[19:18:50]

wagnerrp:

should be a way to do that in the frontend options

[19:18:55]

wagnerrp:

backup and restore settings or something

[19:19:15]

iamlindoro:

jams has written a plugin to do that, but it's not yet included

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wagnerrp:

oh i thought it was... nevermind

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sid3windr:

ah

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sid3windr:

I guess it'll be a quick select and update script then

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sid3windr:

;)

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Sanman[1]:

hello?

[19:23:14]

Sanman[1]:

is nobody on irc right now?

[19:23:30]

laga:

they have all gone for lunch

[19:23:34]

Sanman[1]:

oh lol

[19:23:45]

Sanman[1]:

is there anybody that can help with a compiling problem?

[19:23:46]

Gav8in:

nobody here but us wallabees

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Sanman[1]:

win32

[19:24:15]

Sanman[1]:

does anybody know where to get help with that?

[19:24:15]

sphery:

Tie me wallaby down, sport.

[19:25:14]

Sanman[1]:

what is it with you guys/girls and wallabes?

[19:25:57]

Sanman[1]:

hello?

[19:25:57]

wagnerrp:

sphery: oh go play your digeridoo, blue....

[19:26:05]

iamlindoro:

Sanman[1]: calm down

[19:26:07]

Sanman[1]:

digeridoo?

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iamlindoro:

if you have a question, ask it

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sphery:

Sanman[1]: best bet is to pastebin the compile error

[19:26:15]

iamlindoro:

this isn't AOL live chat

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iamlindoro:

if someone can/wants to help, they will

[19:26:29]

iamlindoro:

and be prepared to *wait*

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Sanman[1]:

I did't get an error, the mythtv directory in my root drive isn't showing up... is it supposed to?

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sphery:

though since Win32 isn't getting much attention/use, it may be premature to expect it to even compile

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Sanman[1]:

I see a Minigw dir, a msys and a perl

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Sanman[1]:

no mythtv

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Sanman[1]:

a few installers came up

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Sanman[1]:

and a batch file

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laga:

um

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Sanman[1]:

i see a file called win32-packager.pl

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laga:

do you actually know what you're doing? 'cause if you don,'t, you shouldn't be compiling it from source ;)

[19:29:08]

Sanman[1]:

I've compiled things before, but not much

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Sanman[1]:

where do I get the source?

[19:29:18]

sid3windr:

voila, 5-line php script to replicate frontend config \o/

[19:29:26]

iamlindoro:

Then Myth on windows is not for you

[19:29:54]

Sanman[1]:

Is MythTV good?

[19:29:59]

iamlindoro:

Yes

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juski:

verily

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Sanman[1]:

I just wanna try it out and compare it to GB-PVR...

[19:30:08]

laga:

mythtv on windows is very bleeding edge. if you can't even get the source on your own, then good luck ;)

[19:30:09]

juski:

kik

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juski:

lol

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Gav8in:

Do you mean good as in useful, or as in promoting virtue?

[19:30:21]

laga:

Sanman[1]: mythtv can't record on windows, unless you have a HDHR or similar

[19:30:29]

Sanman[1]:

good interface and useface in features

[19:30:34]

Sanman[1]:

oh

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juski:

Sanman[1]: mythtv makes gbpvr look like a closed source hobbyist app

[19:30:41]

Sanman[1]:

I guess I'll dual boot Ubuntu then

[19:30:53]

Sanman[1]:

Does it Run on a Mac?

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sphery:

Sanman[1]: run MythBuntu http://mythbuntu.org/

[19:31:22]

iamlindoro:

frontend does, and backend sort of (ie only supports HDHomeRun)

[19:31:25]

juski:

does anybody read the stuff on the mythtv.org site?

[19:31:31]

Sanman[1]:

I did

[19:31:31]

iamlindoro:

and +++++++++++++ run mythbuntu

[19:31:32]

sphery:

the mac port isn't really any better than the WIndows port

[19:31:46]

sphery:

still bleeding edge

[19:31:53]

Sanman[1]:

Do I have to install mythbuntu and mythtv?

[19:32:02]

laga:

how come people are always recommended mythbuntu and then get told "we dont support those scripts" in here? ;)

[19:32:05]

iamlindoro:

mythbuntu is a ubuntu variant that includes MythTV

[19:32:06]

sphery:

mythbuntu is ubuntu including mythtv

[19:32:17]

Sanman[1]:

what does that mean?

[19:32:23]

sid3windr:

what it says

[19:32:24]

iamlindoro:

laga: Don't support which scripts? you mean the .real wrapper things?

[19:32:41]

laga:

iamlindoro: stuff like that, yes

[19:32:41]

sphery:

it means you install it and you have mythtv and ubuntu

[19:32:43]

iamlindoro:

laga: I think it's fair to say that since we have no idea what the wrapper does, that we can't support it

[19:32:53]

sphery:

and you don't have to reconfigure ubuntu so that mythtv works

[19:33:02]

Sanman[1]:

what else is included in mythbuntu?

[19:33:04]

laga:

iamlindoro: stop having a point

[19:33:08]

iamlindoro:

laga: :)

[19:33:15]

sphery:

Sanman[1]: ubuntu

[19:33:25]

Sanman[1]:

oh sry for asking

[19:33:27]

sphery:

Sanman[1]: mythbuntu = ubuntu and mythtv :)

[19:33:31]

iamlindoro:

and very helpful stuff to configure things like remote control/etc.

[19:33:37]

sphery:

so you get all of ubuntu plus mythtv

[19:33:45]

juski:

s/all/some

[19:33:45]

laga:

iamlindoro: for the record: they mostly ensure that the user is in the right group and handle logging etc when using auto start (mythfrontend --session). and for mythtv-setup, they can kill the BE and start mfdb

[19:33:52]

sphery:

and, as iamlindoro mentioned,a lot of stuff to make configuring mythtv easier

[19:33:59]

iamlindoro:

laga: Do those scripts pass through verbose options now?

[19:34:12]

sphery:

juski: all of with apt get/synaptic :)

[19:34:17]

juski:

heh

[19:34:22]

sphery:

i.e. it's just ubuntu

[19:34:23]

laga:

iamlindoro: they always did – if they dont, they're broken

[19:34:36]

Sanman[1]:

but can't you just install mythtv after ubuntu and get the same effect?

[19:34:38]

iamlindoro:

I thought I recalled a time where they didn't... but good

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iamlindoro:

Sanman[1]: A person who knows what they are doing can-- can you?

[19:34:49]

laga:

iamlindoro: breakage happens :)

[19:35:08]

Sanman[1]:

yea

[19:35:11]

iamlindoro:

If you know myth in and out, go to it, install ubuntu then myth... but unless you do, use mythbuntu

[19:35:18]

sphery:

laga: and --version and other options?

[19:35:23]

iamlindoro:

but anyone who needs to ask the question ought to be using mythbuntu

[19:35:26]

sphery:

(sorry, I'm being mean, again)

[19:35:28]

Sanman[1]:

ok thx for all your help :)

[19:35:41]

** iamlindoro suspects Sanman[1] does *not* know myth in and out **

[19:35:54]

** Sanman[1] does not **

[19:35:58]

laga:

sphery: fixed, according to superm1 — too busy to try it myself

[19:36:00]

iamlindoro:

then use mythbuntu ;)

[19:36:14]

Sanman[1]:

thx

[19:36:42]

sphery:

Sanman[1]: if you get Ubuntu, you have to reconfigure huge portions of it according to the system requirements for Myth, which means learning those requirements, then learning how to rip out parts of Ubuntu, then learning how to configure other parts differently

[19:36:51]

sphery:

if you get MythBuntu, it's already done for you

[19:36:57]

Sanman[1]:

do you guys know how mythbuntu compares to GB-PVR for Windows?

[19:36:58]

** iamlindoro lights a sacrificial pulseaudio on fire **

[19:37:11]

laga:

Sanman[1]: you might want to make sure your tv card is supported in linux/mythbuntu

[19:37:28]

juski:

Sanman[1]: I tried GBPVR a long time ago. It sucked compared to mythtv in terms of – everything

[19:37:29]

iamlindoro:

Sanman[1]: myth is vastly more flexible, themable, and capable than GB-PVR... but the learning curve may intimidate windows users

[19:37:31]

Sanman[1]:

Hauppage HVR 2250 it's fairly new

[19:37:36]

sphery:

laga: I meant do the scripts pass --version options, now... I.e. does mythbackend --version work or do you have to do mythbackend.real --version

[19:37:47]

iamlindoro:

2250 has some experimental drivers in linux, but only for the digital side

[19:38:01]

juski:

Sanman[1]: gbpvr was easier to make work but when it worked I found it a nightmare to get it to do my bidding.

[19:38:02]

Sanman[1]:

I have analog signal I think

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laga:

sphery: they should pass everything

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Sanman[1]:

I'm gonna use NTSC

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sphery:

cool

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liviopl:

hi ;)

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sphery:

ntsc is the analog side, which doesn't work in GNU/Linux w/ MythTV for the HVR-2250

[19:38:33]

laga:

sphery: cant try it right now – the other laptop is offline :)

[19:38:50]

sphery:

no problem... was just curiout

[19:38:55]

sphery:

s... thanks

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Sanman[1]:

really? oh noooo! I really wanted to use MythBuntu :(

[19:39:03]

** Sanman[1] is sad **

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sphery:

you can with ATSC

[19:39:37]

Sanman[1]:

isn't that just local channe;s :(

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sphery:

or you can get an HVR-1600 or a PVR-150 (which are cheap on ebay)

[19:39:46]

laga:

sphery: if it doesnt work, then someone needs to yell at us

[19:39:54]

sphery:

or you can wait until the 2250 drivers are fixed

[19:40:00]

Sanman[1]:

I just somewhat wasted $100 USD

[19:40:03]

iamlindoro:

s/fixed/expanded/

[19:40:04]

sphery:

(or you could fix the drivers yourself :)

[19:40:09]

Sanman[1]:

lol

[19:40:12]

iamlindoro:

s/fix/expand/

[19:40:14]

Sanman[1]:

like I could ever do that

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sphery:

Sanman[1]: think of it, not as a waste, but as an investment in the future

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iamlindoro:

Drivers aren't broken, just that analog side isn't implemented-- and AFAICT not a lot of dev interest in doing so

[19:40:39]

iamlindoro:

because analog sucks

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sphery:

Sanman[1]: i.e. with Myth, when it does work, you can add one more analog/digital hybrid card to your available capture cards

[19:40:49]

liviopl:

I got to the stage, when MythTV records fine, but livetv playback is desynced. when I go to the directory, which contains MythTV records and play a video, everything is fine. doesn't matter if I use MythTV frontend or XBMC.

[19:40:52]

Sanman[1]:

will they ever be fixed by some1?

[19:40:58]

sphery:

eventually

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** iamlindoro wishes people would stop saying fixed **

[19:41:11]

sphery:

but since no one gets paid to do it

[19:41:17]

laga:

s/fixed/neutered/?

[19:41:22]

iamlindoro:

that's like saying someone needs to "fix" myth to have sudoku

[19:41:29]

iamlindoro:

That's not a fix, that's a FRWOP

[19:41:31]

sphery:

when will that be fixed?

[19:41:48]

iamlindoro:

(Feature Request without Patch)

[19:42:01]

sphery:

wow... list of apps has grown: http://www.schedulesdirect.org/approvedsoftware

[19:42:03]

Sanman[1]:

I guess I'll never even know when it's "fixed" so I may never get to use MythBuntu

[19:42:07]

liviopl:

can you help me getting livetv audio and video to be synced?

[19:42:13]

Sanman[1]:

is there a mailing list? lol

[19:42:19]

sphery:

Sanman[1]: linuxtv.org/wiki

[19:42:29]

iamlindoro:

yes, if only there was some sort of world wide network which one could check to see if a device had support

[19:42:39]

iamlindoro:

something with a topology similar to a web of some sort

[19:42:43]

iamlindoro:

but I guess you'll never know

[19:42:56]

sphery:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge_WinTV-HVR-2250

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gbutters_work:

sphery, mythbackend --version works

[19:43:22]

sphery:

gbutters_work: thx for checking

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Sanman[1]:

i don't undertsand a thing on that page. not literally but most of it

[19:43:32]

juski:

iamlindoro: yeah, and if only there were things on this web-like thing – places – which one could call 'web sites' I guess – where people put up pages of information about things

[19:43:50]

iamlindoro:

juski: Whoah, whoah, slow down Vint Cerf

[19:43:59]

juski:

maybe one day. One fine day. Tis but a dream

[19:44:00]

iamlindoro:

oh, that's awesome! You could say you were "cerf"ing!

[19:44:05]

iamlindoro:

or.... "SURFING!"

[19:44:11]

Sanman[1]:

I do not like driver issues

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sphery:

Sanman[1]: the only part you have to understand is the part that says, "Currently unsupported!"

[19:44:20]

Sanman[1]:

oh

[19:44:21]

Sanman[1]:

ok

[19:44:32]

sphery:

Sanman[1]: and you must have an ability to guess that when that changes, things may be different... :)

[19:44:40]

Sanman[1]:

what is linuxTV?

[19:45:00]

iamlindoro:

http://linuxtv.org/

[19:45:02]

iamlindoro:

right at the top

[19:45:03]

juski:

thinking back to all the trouble I had getting linux working, I think maybe my main blocker was an inability to _read_ stuff

[19:45:15]

Sanman[1]:

I guess I'll keep checking back until its supported then :)

[19:45:31]

sphery:

Sanman[1]: or, you could get a nice $20 PVR-150 until then

[19:45:38]

juski:

like on windows you just double click to install something & it either all works – or it doesn't & you just give up on it :D

[19:45:46]

Sanman[1]:

$20 !?!?!?

[19:46:07]

iamlindoro:

could I get a little more punctuation please

[19:46:09]

iamlindoro:

?

[19:46:11]

iamlindoro:

!?!?!?!

[19:46:14]

Sanman[1]:

lol

[19:46:34]

Sanman[1]:

how could it cost 20 bucks

[19:46:36]

sphery:

Sanman[1]: check ebay... lots of US users are ditching their PVR-150's because they switched to digital capture

[19:46:43]

Sanman[1]:

oh

[19:46:52]

Sanman[1]:

so they aren't good enough?

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juski:

digital is better than analogue

[19:47:09]

sphery:

it's still an excellent card, but you can't buy it new in the US because it's analog only and the FCC has nothing better to do with their time than stop abominations like that

[19:47:24]

Sanman[1]:

xD

[19:47:40]

AndyCap:

like enforce firewire access. :P

[19:47:44]

sphery:

Sanman[1]: all over-the-air broadcast of analog TV just recently stopped in the US, so NTSC is only usable by people with external tuners

[19:47:58]

Sanman[1]:

what kinds of processors are you using?

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sphery:

external tuners like cable boxes or satellite boxes or the $40 OTA "digital converter boxes" that I bought for the US population

[19:48:16]

iamlindoro:

the silicon kind

[19:48:17]

sphery:

(i.e. my tax dollars at work)

[19:49:06]

Sanman[1]:

I;m thinking about getting a new i7 or upcoming i5

[19:49:26]

liviopl:

excuse me, I need some help to get livetv playback better (direct livetv audio is goes further than video, playing from record file is ok)

[19:49:44]

Sanman[1]:

bye people!

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juski:

liviopl: livetv IS recorded :)

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iamlindoro:

damn, would have bet on mIRC

[19:50:12]

juski:

liviopl: using an analogue non-hardware encoding tuner?

[19:50:28]

sphery:

liviopl: we need a description of what's not right

[19:50:55]

liviopl:

juski: I know it's recorded but using each mythtv frontend I get desync video. when I go to the recorded files and play one, it's ok.

[19:50:59]

liviopl:

juski: analogue bttv

[19:51:06]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

[19:51:07]

iamlindoro:

noooooooooo

[19:51:13]

iamlindoro:

I thought I set fire to all of those ages ago

[19:51:20]

sphery:

or better burn the analogue bttv tuner

[19:51:23]

liviopl:

juski: I mean livetv is always desync and records are ok

[19:51:25]

iamlindoro:

naughty, naughty bttv

[19:51:35]

sphery:

liviopl: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

[19:51:37]

iamlindoro:

liviopl: the link above was for you

[19:52:08]

liviopl:

sphery: yeah right, but who'd buy me a better one :> ? oh, and where do I get digital signal from, without buying new tv package from tv service provider :> ?

[19:52:34]

iamlindoro:

He wasn't saying you needed to use a digital tuner, just an analog one that isn't the worst thing in the world

[19:52:35]

juski:

liviopl: you've not read the audio setup part of the mythtv docs

[19:52:35]

sphery:

I hear PVR-150's go for around $20 on ebay :)

[19:52:36]

juski:

liviopl: you've not read the audio setup part of the mythtv docs

[19:52:37]

juski:

liviopl: you've not read the audio setup part of the mythtv docs

[19:53:12]

juski:

I dunno HOW the hell anybody fails to miss the fact that the tuner audio is always audible no matter what they're doing

[19:53:37]

liviopl:

juski: oh really. but why recorded videos contain audio track and it's synced well? only playback from each mythtv frontend is desynced.

[19:53:54]

juski:

because

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juski:

livetv is recorded just the same as recordings

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sphery:

Channel, I would like to take this opportunity to apologize for my recent, "burn the analogue bttv tuner," comment. I have since been informed that burning electronics equipment is a terrible affront to the environment. I in no way intended to destroy the earth by inciting others to release toxic chemicals into the air. Please dispose of your electronics equipment safely and responsibly.

[19:54:33]

juski:

sphery: will it blend?

[19:54:38]

** iamlindoro launches the remaining bttv tuners into the sun **

[19:54:40]

iamlindoro:

happy?

[19:54:56]

iamlindoro:

I'll even let you press the big red LAUNCH button

[19:54:58]

liviopl:

juski: I'll tell it somehow different. video playback from mythtv frontends is desynced. records are ok.

[19:54:58]

sphery:

(by which I mean take it to a recycling outfit that responsibly ships the used electronics to China so they can be properly disposed of in the river beds)

[19:55:08]

juski:

liviopl: and I'll keep saying the same thing

[19:55:21]

iamlindoro:

juski: liviopl: you've not read the audio setup part of the mythtv docs

[19:55:22]

iamlindoro:

juski: liviopl: you've not read the audio setup part of the mythtv docs

[19:55:22]

iamlindoro:

juski: liviopl: you've not read the audio setup part of the mythtv docs

[19:55:23]

iamlindoro:

juski: liviopl: you've not read the audio setup part of the mythtv docs

[19:55:23]

iamlindoro:

juski: liviopl: you've not read the audio setup part of the mythtv docs

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I'd /love/ to hit the button...

[19:55:31]

iamlindoro:

and furthermore

[19:55:32]

iamlindoro:

sphery: liviopl: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-7.html

[19:55:38]

juski:

liviopl: MUTE the audio input the tuner audio is connected to in the PLAYBACK section of the linux mixer

[19:55:43]

juski:

like it says in the docs

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sphery:

liviopl: when you're playing a recorded video, you're not capturing from the tuner card, so it's not outputting audio to your sound card, so you get only the audio from the recording

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liviopl:

I'VE DONE IT. I'll repeat. video playback in mythtv is bad. playing mythtv's recorded files in another video player is ok. audio sync in recorded files is ok, but when mythtv plays a video file, plays without audio sync. that's my problem. not capturing audio...

[19:57:28]

sphery:

how out of sync?

[19:57:36]

liviopl:

video is faster than audio.

[19:57:40]

sphery:

are we talking a second or 2 or a hundred milliseconds?

[19:57:50]

liviopl:

second or even two, three

[19:57:56]

liviopl:

hm, rather second

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sphery:

juski: liviopl: you've not read the audio setup part of the mythtv docs

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sphery:

if it's that much, it's almost definitely the mixer is misconfigured

[19:58:39]

sphery:

while playing back LIveTV, skip back and see if the audio is now off by 30s

[19:58:43]

sphery:

if so, juski: liviopl: you've not read the audio setup part of the mythtv docs

[19:58:51]

liviopl:

jesus...

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sphery:

:)

[19:59:02]

liviopl:

lemme try

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juski:

at a push it could be an actual audio playback issue caused by using the wrong sample rate in your livetv recording profile

[19:59:53]

juski:

but it'd be more than just out of sync if that was the case

[19:59:58]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

and that's a /lot/ of out of sync for audio playback issues

[20:00:28]

juski:

if you quit mythfrontend and can still hear audio from the TV tuner... then it's your mixer settings

[20:00:34]

iamlindoro:

or doing something crazy like ticking boxes for features that specifically tell you not to use them

[20:00:39]

iamlindoro:

*sough*

[20:00:41]

iamlindoro:

cough

[20:00:48]

sphery:

I'd love to get rid of video as timebase...

[20:00:57]

juski:

even if you quit out of livetv & can still hear audio from the tuner, that's still mixer settings

[20:01:02]

sphery:

and yet we didn't have a settings widget for LiveTV idle timeout :)

[20:01:41]

** iamlindoro notes that he removed four settings from MythVideo to make up for the one he added w/ that one :) **

[20:01:58]

iamlindoro:

Of course... I did add about ~15 new settings to mythvideo since .21 ;)

[20:02:39]

sphery:

I'm thinking about doing the settings redesign just so I can remove stupid ones like video as timebase, aggressive sound card buffering, preview pixmap offset, ...

[20:03:04]

juski:

wish previews could be disabled altogether

[20:03:14]

jams:

there was a time when use video as timebase is the only thing that worked for me

[20:03:27]

juski:

me too

[20:03:28]

iamlindoro:

There was a time when I thought girls were stinky

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liviopl:

oh, audio is faster than video, was wrong. but still. something's wrong. records are ok oO . is it possible that during record playback in mixed is turned on?

[20:03:34]

iamlindoro:

but I got past that, too ;)

[20:04:30]

juski:

liviopl: the point is, live TV ***IS*** recorded

[20:04:41]

juski:

so it goes through THE SAME processes as scheduled recordings

[20:04:54]

juski:

so if audio sync is bad for one, it would be bad for the other

[20:05:04]

juski:

***except*** for recording profiles

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liviopl:

juski: I know. but why do I hear sound from the mixer instead of audio from the recorded video if line playback is mute?

[20:05:22]

liviopl:

I guess I hear from mixer

[20:05:24]

juski:

huh?

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sphery:

liviopl: mute /everything/

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liviopl:

I did

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juski:

which input is the tuner audio connected to?

[20:05:43]

liviopl:

line in

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sphery:

liviopl: you should hear nothing at that point

[20:05:52]

sphery:

liviopl: then individually unmute channels

[20:05:57]

juski:

MUTE that in the mixer but make sure it's still set to capture

[20:05:59]

sphery:

starting with master, then PCM,

[20:06:08]

juski:

leave master & PCM unmuted

[20:06:14]

liviopl:

recording with mencoder for example is completely muted. and video is ok, but using mencoder is uncomfortable

[20:06:16]

sphery:

mute everything, first

[20:06:23]

sphery:

to make sure you're playing with the right sound card

[20:06:30]

liviopl:

I've got only one...

[20:06:32]

sphery:

i.e. if you can't mute everything and make sure you have no sound...

[20:06:55]

sphery:

liviopl: and so I once thought of my system after wasting half an hour debugging sound problems on the wrong sound card

[20:07:23]

sphery:

but still, it takes 1/2 second to mute 2 extra channels and it provides real useful info

[20:07:23]

liviopl:

I've got line muted in [playback] and set as capture in [capture].

[20:08:04]

** iamlindoro wonders if this little lesson makes any clearer the suckitude of framgrabbers **

[20:08:19]

liviopl:

what else can I do?

[20:08:26]

sphery:

'tis nice that PVR-150's just work

[20:08:40]

sphery:

liviopl: did you mute everything and verify you get absolutely no sound from anywhere?

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liviopl:

yes

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sphery:

and when you unmute only master and PCM you get the out-of-sync audio?

[20:10:01]

sphery:

and when you rewind in LiveTV, how does it affect the audio?

[20:10:03]

liviopl:

yes.

[20:10:04]

iamlindoro:

Heh, kormoc's newest addition to mythweb makes the "porno search" really easy ;)

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liviopl:

when I rewind in livetv... audio's still out of sync. but recorded video is ironically ok.

[20:10:49]

liviopl:

I ensured myself million times that line in playback is mute...

[20:11:03]

juski:

if you pause, can you still hear sound?

[20:11:22]

liviopl:

haven't tried. one moment

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sphery:

liviopl: and how far out of sync? does it change when you rewind?

[20:11:43]

sphery:

is it more than the couple of seconds when following live?

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liviopl:

pause = mute

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liviopl:

I noticed that beginning of video playback is very choppy. that might be the source of issue

[20:12:37]

juski:

so if it stops when you pause it ain't a mixer issue

[20:12:47]

liviopl:

uf

[20:12:50]

juski:

glad we cleared that up finally

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juski:

you wouldn't believe how many people have that though

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liviopl:

I saw

[20:13:23]

sphery:

Make sure you don't have use video as timebase enabled. Do enable "Extra audio buffering". Do not enable, "Aggressive sound card buffering".

[20:13:24]

juski:

easy to jump to conclusions like duh, another person didn't RTFM :)

[20:13:41]

sphery:

and always make more sense to check for horses than zebras

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liviopl:

sphery: you mean in mythfrontend?

[20:13:46]

sphery:

yep

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liviopl:

sphery: I'm actually using XBMC as frontend, but will try there too

[20:14:17]

sphery:

if you're using xbmc as frontend, then Myth can't help you

[20:14:26]

sphery:

i.e. you're not using Myth to play it back

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liviopl:

I can't see extra audio buffering in audio settings...

[20:15:20]

liviopl:

I see the aggressive one

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sphery:

one's in General settings the other in TV Playbakc

[20:15:39]

liviopl:

oh

[20:15:40]

sphery:

So, what doesn't work?

[20:15:50]

sphery:

mythfrontend playback or xbmc playback?

[20:15:58]

sphery:

if the latter, myth is not the problem

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liviopl:

hey, in myth's frontend it's... hmmm... makes me smile ^^

[20:17:26]

juski:

another XBMC #fail then :)

[20:17:34]

liviopl:

now need to tidy up channel list and find out why's XBMC mythtv playback that choppy

[20:17:46]

liviopl:

anyway, thanks for patience and help :)

[20:17:51]

juski:

lucky you. I never got xbmc to play anything in linux or in windows

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liviopl:

I've got tv series in XBMC working but never got MythTV to work as intended ;)

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juski:

wait til 0.22 mythtv. listing videos by series/season & stuff. teh awesome

[20:18:47]

liviopl:

btw, is there a way to import tvtime's station list into mythtv? I'm lazy to check each channel in myttv...

[20:19:15]

sphery:

liviopl: if you're in North America, it's easy to get it into Myth

[20:19:26]

liviopl:

juski: no, got XBMC working and find it awesome, don't like myth's interface ^^ . I just want it to work as tv backend for XBMC [I'm baaad ;d ]

[20:19:26]

sphery:

without using <random external app>

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android6011:

if i have a machine as a dedicated backend, could I use a frontend on a windows machine in something like virtualbox or vmware on a phenom ii x4/4gb/8600gt machine? or just due to limitations would i be out of luck

[20:20:08]

liviopl:

sphery: I'm actually in center of Europe [PL]

[20:20:15]

sphery:

MythTV on Windows is bleeding edge... Very bloody. Not pretty.

[20:20:36]

android6011:

sphery: thats why im thinking of putting it in a vm instead of running directly on windows

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wagnerrp:

you *can* rom the backend in a VM if you have network attached tuners

[20:21:09]

wagnerrp:

but youll never get enough performance out of it to make a worthwhile frontend

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sphery:

liviopl: not as easy there... Most help I can give is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV and the often incorrect, but possibly still useful, http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_Myth_Channel_Setup

[20:21:26]

android6011:

so a frontend in a vm is a no

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laga:

AFAIK greyfoxx was using vmware for an SD frontend ;)

[20:21:36]

juski:

hahaha

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sphery:

android6011: guess you're stuck running a real OS on your computer :)

[20:22:18]

laga:

android6011: for SD it might work

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android6011:

ok

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juski:

liviopl: IMHO XBMC ain't all that. the UI is hmmm. Not worth forgoing all the nice stuff in mythtv for a couple of bits of bling

[20:23:14]

liviopl:

sphery: you didn't understand me. I used to use tvtime for tv and got whole station list in tvtime. the frequencies. I want to import them into mythtv. xmltv is for later [I'm using custom grabbing app, which puts ready xmltv file out]

[20:23:38]

sphery:

So, laga, is Canonical going to do a "Host a Koala launch party" push in Oct to rain on Steve B's parade? http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1532 . . . launch-party

[20:23:41]

liviopl:

juski: I got LIRC in XBMC and like the bling. and "just work" logic ;)

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sphery:

liviopl: I did understand you. I just said the only help I can give is the MythTV wiki pages on how people in Europe get and configure their channels.

[20:24:22]

laga:

sphery: oh god

[20:24:37]

sphery:

that would be some serious PR... :)

[20:24:45]

sphery:

at least in the tech press

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liviopl:

sphery: d'oh :/ . so there's no tool or option in mythtv "import from tvtime" ^^

[20:24:57]

juski:

liviopl: mythtv 'just works' if you do it right

[20:25:12]

sphery:

liviopl: nope, not really

[20:25:14]

liviopl:

juski: yeah, but doesn't have the bling thing ;p

[20:25:23]

juski:

so? it's getting it

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sphery:

we have a hard enough time importing from our own data rather than some random external project's :)

[20:25:49]

sphery:

liviopl: bling a plenty in trunk/soon-to-be-released 0.22

[20:25:56]

juski:

besides, some of their top-line skins have photos that are covered in dust & hairs :P

[20:26:57]

sphery:

MythTV 0.22, code named "Bling Your Own Frontend"

[20:27:02]

liviopl:

:]

[20:27:05]

juski:

look at the power button shot in MediaStream. lol

[20:27:30]

liviopl:

guys, the bling I want is called "lemme move away from tvtime, saving my channels", can you give it to me ;p ?

[20:27:42]

liviopl:

or give me a channel preview in channel editor, at least

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** AndyCap entered the frequencies from the cable providers homepage. **

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juski:

what use would a video preview be in the channel editor?

[20:29:38]

juski:

you'd have to watch a channel for a while to know what it is

[20:29:50]

liviopl:

my cable provider... ekhm, doesn't make it that easy for me. and tv scanning in mythtv... how can I choose between europe-west and -east if I'm exactly in between them ;d

[20:29:59]

juski:

no use to people where the channels dont all have logos burnt into em :P

[20:30:57]

liviopl:

and about video preview – at least button "preview" to run livetv for a second. to ensure "to delete or not to delete" (lovely Shakespear)

[20:31:11]

sphery:

liviopl: choose one, scan, if you get no channels, choose the other, scan

[20:31:21]

sphery:

i.e. either you're using the right frequencies or you're not

[20:31:38]

sphery:

or do some research to see which frequency table your provider uses.

[20:32:21]

sphery:

once you get all channels, go to livetv, wathc a channel... if you want the channel, move on. if not, hit e to get the editor and delete

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liviopl:

sphery: when using livetv "e" calls editor. wow. how quick. ups :x . didn't know!

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** sid3windr neither :p **

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liviopl:

I can finally start finding mythtv cool :]

[20:41:30]

liviopl:

i love the channel editor ^^

[20:41:48]

liviopl:

it's what tvtime and others lacked for me. oh maaan...

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sphery:

in trunk (and the soon-to-be-released 0.22), it's orders of magnitude better

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liviopl:

i love the channel editor

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juski:

hahaha. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-news . . . 52-24559449/

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liviopl:

will have to play a lot with finetuning but... awesome

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juski:

ahh digital tv. no fine tuning needed

[20:48:39]

laga:

yeah

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laga:

i love how my dvb-t just doesn't get any reception at all ;)

[20:48:58]

AndyCap:

juski: he was pretty far over the line. couldn't even see the gray areas from there. :P

[20:49:05]

juski:

heh

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laga:

ha. that guy deserved it

[20:51:08]

juski:

about time they took action against the people openly selling the crap at local computer fairs

[20:51:25]

AndyCap:

unauthorised internet satellite receiver boxes

[20:51:32]

AndyCap:

ah, the internet satellites

[20:51:52]

juski:

they should take action against all the warez too. just brazenly selling ripped off software by the boat load

[20:52:58]

AndyCap:

juski: so where did you live again? thailand?

[20:53:01]

AndyCap:

:)

[20:53:15]

iamlindoro:

heh: http://www.offworld.com/2009/09/one-shot-danc . . . dustria.html

[20:53:21]

juski:

Manchester, UK

[20:53:34]

juski:

all the computer fairs are hives of illegal crap

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AndyCap:

and here I thought britain was civilized. :)

[20:54:08]

juski:

heh

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liviopl:

in Poland DVB just start being shipped by cable providers. so few years and my bttv will have to go to trash. but till then I have to use finetune and keep analogue tuner :]

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iamlindoro:

DVB has been in poland for *years*

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AndyCap:

hello satellite. :)

[20:56:07]

iamlindoro:

exactly

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juski:

hello kitty

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AndyCap:

cyfra, polsat?

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liviopl:

me? multimedia (cable provider) xd .

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liviopl:

they suck but from ISP around in my town, they're the best ^^

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iamlindoro:

He wasn't asking, he was mentioning DVB sources in Poland

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iamlindoro:

that have been around for a long time

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liviopl:

oh

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liviopl:

okay... btw. what's difference between callsign and channel name? don't get it

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juski:

liviopl: in europe they're the same

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juski:

but the idea is that callsigns are supposed to be unique

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AndyCap:

KWRP cincinnati!

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iamlindoro:

In the US, a callsign is a government assigned name (KRON) and the channel name is descriptive (NBC Network)

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juski:

so if you have channels called the same name, they can be differentiated by different callsigns

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iamlindoro:

indeed... DSC = Discovery Channel... DSCHD = Discovery HD

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juski:

only radio nerds have callsigns in europe these days :P

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iamlindoro:

or KSTF = KTEH = KQED = Public Broadcasting Service

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sphery:

except in MythTV--US or otherwise--a callsign is just a value that uniquely identifies programming that's "substantially identical" across video sources

[21:01:12]

sphery:

i.e. the name is meaningless

[21:01:17]

iamlindoro:

You mom's substantially identical

[21:01:20]

iamlindoro:

your

[21:01:27]

sphery:

but in the US, the government-assigned callsign actually meets the criteria

[21:01:42]

sphery:

except when you have feed from multiple time zones...

[21:02:15]

sphery:

AndyCap: KWRP would be somewhere west of the rockies... :)

[21:02:43]

AndyCap:

sphery: just remembering the name of an old tv show. :)

[21:02:47]

iamlindoro:

West of the Mississippi

[21:02:52]

sphery:

WKRP

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AndyCap:

sphery: ah, most likely.

[21:03:12]

iamlindoro:

W = East of the Miss, K = West of the Miss

[21:03:13]

sphery:

yeah, but no one east of the rockies would use KWRP...

[21:03:27]

AndyCap:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WKRP_in_Cincinnati

[21:03:54]

AndyCap:

tune stuck in my head as key double u ar pee.

[21:04:14]

AndyCap:

which was wrong.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: so, how do they stop the radio waves from crossing the Mississippi? Would be easier if they used a mountain range... :)

[21:05:51]

AndyCap:

Hehe "WKRP-LP is a low-power television station in the Nashville area"

[21:07:01]

sphery:

KWRP is a radio station in Pecos, New Mexico

[21:07:02]

wagnerrp:

hey, weve got one of those up here too

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sphery:

see, west of the rockies...

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JEDIDIAH__:

frys is advertising 2TB barracudas for $175

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j-rod:

Boston station callsigns suck

[21:07:41]

j-rod:

Seattle has way cooler ones

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sphery:

WGMB is good

[21:07:50]

iamlindoro:

KING KONG!

[21:07:57]

j-rod:

iamlindoro: hell yeah

[21:08:18]

j-rod:

my dad was actually a reporter and eventually a producer at KING

[21:08:49]

j-rod:

KING, KIRO, KOMO, way better than WHDH, WBZ and WCVB

[21:09:04]

iamlindoro:

KGO/KRON/KPIX/KTVU here

[21:09:17]

j-rod:

then there's radio stations. you can't mess with KUBE FM

[21:09:30]

j-rod:

I miss the t-man in the morning

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sphery:

seems there's a KWRP-FM1 in SAN JACINTO, CA at 96.1 MHZ, too

[21:10:02]

sphery:

and 101.5MHz Pecos NM

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wagnerrp:

get back to your file permissions!

[21:11:47]

iamlindoro:

Already done :)

[21:12:05]

iamlindoro:

Or done enough for the friday before a long weekend, anyway

[21:12:13]

wagnerrp:

seems theres going to be a big DUI crackdown this weekend

[21:12:23]

wagnerrp:

i suppose that means more roadblocks and checkpoints

[21:13:02]

AndyCap:

papieren bitte!

[21:13:39]

wagnerrp:

germany? you cant even ride your bicycle drunk over there

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sphery:

is a paper bite like a paper cut? :)

[21:15:53]

wagnerrp:

'papers please'

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sphery:

yeah, bad joke

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: so do you live somewhere where DUI means falling out of the drivers seat or that there's an open bottle in the trunk of your car?

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wagnerrp:

pretty sure you have to fail the breathalyzer, or otherwise refuse to take one

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liviopl:

okay, time to fix channel numer to get correct xmltv info and... done. how quick ^^

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juski:

oh crap http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a175535 . . . tection.html

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wagnerrp:

yeah, gbee posted that a couple days ago

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juski:

not that there's any dvb-t2 tuner hardware out there yet

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mikasaari:

What I should try when 0.22 trunk from 2 weeks ago found channels without problems but current trunk do not find any channels ? Thanks a lot

[21:34:35]

wagnerrp:

compiling your own binaries

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iamlindoro:

+ carefully following -commits and -dev

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mikasaari:

I compiled my own binaries, yes

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mikasaari:

And have been reading the tickets

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wagnerrp:

typically the only people calling trunk 0.22 are people who use packages misnamed due to a limitation in their package manager

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Gav8in:

so i'm having something confusing happen; MythArchive won't burn DVDs, mythreplex fails. The command line myth uses has --fix_sync in it, which doesn't seem to be a mythreplex option in my build.

[21:36:28]

Gav8in:

Am I crazy or on crack?

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mikasaari:

Got the source from svn

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** Gav8in runs $ grep -Rni 'fix_sync' * **

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Gav8in:

to be sure

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wagnerrp:

were you running tha backend when you tried to scan?

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mikasaari:

wagnerrp: no

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wagnerrp:

you were running it as user 'mythtv', or otherwise some user you know has access to the tuner dev nodes?

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mikasaari:

wagnerrp: Tested as root

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mikasaari:

wagnerrp: The scanner says that it found 9 propable channels

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mikasaari:

wagnerrp: But then timeouts them

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mikasaari:

wagnerrp: So I tweaked the timeouts for cards to be as huge as possible

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mikasaari:

wagnerrp: didn't effect

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mikasaari:

also tested ignore timeout toggle

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Gav8in:

yup, bug.

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** Gav8in files it and fixes it locally **

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mikasaari:

"Ignore Signal Timeout", it is

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Gav8in:

Yup, mythreplex takes no fix_sync option, so mythburn basically was hopeless for that reason. Hrm.

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wagnerrp:

mythreplex was synced about 2 weeks ago

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Gav8in:

okie dokie, hopefully this works.

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Gav8in:

and nope

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mikasaari:

dvbscan founds all the channels, but when giving the channels.conf to current trunk it doesn't add the channels to the channel editor list. I am probably doing something wrong

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Gav8in:

beyond the non existent option, mythreplex is just crashing on a buffer overflow.

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BeowulfBC:

Hey guys i have a mythTV problem I have dual tuner cards, and it would appear that one of them has quit on me for some reason... I think hardware issue as the #1 is working correctly. Is there an way that I can run diagnostics on it CLI utils perhaps? I am quite new to the mythTV and am not sure even where to start... when I built the machine it just worked

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wagnerrp:

check your logs and see what mythtv is complaining about

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BeowulfBC:

That is jst it i see nothing that glares at me as an error

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BeowulfBC:

I thought about a space issue, there is 5GB free on my recording device

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BeowulfBC:

AutoExpire: CalcParams(): Max required Free Space: 1.0 GB w/freq: 15 min

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BeowulfBC:

Is what it says alot

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BeowulfBC:

But that looks fairly normal to me

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BeowulfBC:

Free Space; /dev/sda6 920G 914G 5.9G 100% /var/lib

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mikasaari:

When getting "Found 9 probable channels" from channel editor, what does this mean ? tzap gets lock, but mythtv-setup doesn't give other information.

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xris:

http://www.kipnis-studios.com/The_Kipnis_Stud . . . bout_Us.html

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** xris dares any mythtv user to set up something like that. **

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iamlindoro:

We have enough retarded users as it is ;)

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xris:

lol

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jamesd2:

xris i would do it if i had the cash... what about a 1 million should cover including expert installation and tuning?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, ive seen that before

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wagnerrp:

yeah, something like that

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wagnerrp:

$30K amp driving each of those $20K speakers

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xris:

crazy

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iamlindoro:

hoooooooly

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iamlindoro:

VDPAU now does DIVX?

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xris:

and I think my $1k tv was expensive

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wagnerrp:

along with $200K of powerline filtering equipment on your 20kW line

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: im pretty sure purevideo under windows wont manage that

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iamlindoro:

"Attached patch adds support for decoding MPEG-4 ASP on Nvidia's latest VDPAU hardware."

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iamlindoro:

Just came across the ffmpeg-devel list

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jamesd2:

but i'm happy with my 42" lcd 1080p screen, and 5x yamaha speakers plus an 8" subwoofer, and dual kworld 115 digital tuners, 2x 250GB sata drives plus a 750GB sata drive for recordings and 1.5TB nfs mounted for other media

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xris:

jamesd2: you have me beat.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=138315

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xris:

except I have more tuners (2 x firewire + hdhomerun)

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iamlindoro:

On GPUs with VDPAU feature set C, VDPAU now supports decoding MPEG-4 Part 2, DivX 4, and DivX 5 video. The VDPAU API has been enhanced to expose this feature.

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iamlindoro:

On GPUs with VDPAU feature set C, VDPAU now supports a higher quality video scaling algorithm. The VDPAU API has been enhanced to expose this feature.

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xris:

iamlindoro: that's awesome

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iamlindoro:

curious which boards do "feature set c"

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jamesd2:

xris, i only use over the air antennas and have only once or twice had more than 2x shows needed to be recorded at once, so i just told it to find a future recording of one of the shows

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xris:

jamesd2: yeah. second firewire is for livetv (my wife hates browsing tv through myth), and hdhomerun was mostly a for-fun thing and to support the company.

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[R]:

j-rod: you there?

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janneg:

iamlindoro: only the 3 digit models

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iamlindoro:

janneg, Ah-- nothing compelling enough to make me upgrade, but neat all the same

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janneg:

ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_6 . . . mits-decoder

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Greek-Boy:

Has anyone here tried to run HDMI on Ubuntu through an intel graphics? I can get HDMI output but not at the right resolution. It's killing me :-(

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Guest97030:

Sorry for this dumb question : In svn trunk deinterlaced material is shown like a split screen – one half on top anther half on bottom. Is there an option I did not see related to deinterlacing that might be responsible ? ( Sometimes it flips back and forth between showing the image right and then again crippled split )

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iamlindoro:

Nothing specific to trunk about that-- that's Using an ATI video card + Bob deinterlacing

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iamlindoro:

so change your deinterlacer in your playback profile

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Guest97030:

thxthxthx

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Guest97030:

damn ati – once again

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wagnerrp:

janneg: yeah, the scalers look fine to me as they are.... and any machine with a 3-digit nvidia card should have plenty of power to decode any divx you may have on the CPU

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janneg:

iamlindoro: more precisely it's only the GeForce 200M series with the GTX280M as exception

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wagnerrp:

there were absolutely no changes to the 9xxx line when they got rebranded to 1xx?

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janneg:

and the GTX 260M too

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BeowulfBC:

What about my TNT2 card is that any good? Sigh I remeber when that was a baller of a card

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janneg:

only the 40nm GT21x chips seem to support it

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iamlindoro:

It would have to be some upscaling to convince me :)

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iamlindoro:

and I'd have to learn to watch SD again

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Guest97030:

iamlindoro: thx again for your help – i got a big step further now ! GN

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