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Tuesday, September 1st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

elmojo: audio capture only meaning? For supported TV tuner cards, see linuxtv.org/wiki

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sphery:

oops... sorry

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sphery:

that was for el_critter

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sphery:

el_critter: ^^^

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el_critter:

sphery: I just need to capture audio from TV, video is going to be discarted

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sphery:

well, MythTV won't work for that

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kormoc:

el_critter: so erm... why?

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sphery:

but you can find all the info on capture cards that are supported in GNU/Linux at linuxtv.org/wiki

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sphery:

well, because MythTV is a DVR for recording TV, including both video and audio

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sphery:

and MythTV does not yet support things like DVB Radio (at least not well)

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paperclip:

you can simply demux later, no?

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sphery:

yes, something that's not mythtv can discard the video, but MythTV won't do that

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el_critter:

I know, I'm not going to use MythTV, I just want your recommendation for a nice tv capture card that works out of the box for linux

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paperclip:

heh

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sphery:

linuxtv.org/wiki is the best resource

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paperclip:

I'd like an fm tuner!

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sphery:

and Myth doesn't support FM radio, either (though many capture cards do)

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paperclip:

I was only kidding, sorta

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paperclip:

I would like one.. but I ordered an HDhomerun this morning

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el_critter:

thanks

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sphery:

though there used to be some 3rd-party FM radio things (like MythFM), they have bitrotted

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sphery:

and were really hacks in the first place

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paperclip:

shame.. local community radio is always doing live feeds from festivals and concerts

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sphery:

(meaning not really integrated/stomped all over tuner usage/didn't use Internal player/...)

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paperclip:

i'm pretty sure cron and cat should work for what I need..

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sphery:

yeah--just make sure you don't steal tuners from tv recording

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paperclip:

I don't have any tuners

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paperclip:

hoping the hdhomerun gets here soon tho

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paperclip:

anyone know where, in the states, I can order an inexpensive usb IR receiver?

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drenyx:

Dagmar, guess what?

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drenyx:

the qt symlink worked, I had just changed some other config option

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drenyx:

things seem to be working now

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dashcloud:

I'm trying to pick out an external 1 TB drive- any brands to avoid or to go for?

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GuySoft:

is there a bot in the room with a tell command?

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drenyx:

dashcloud: if I had my pick, I'd get something that had a external raid setup for you, unless you don't care about the data after a drive fails...

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kormoc:

GuySoft: to tell what?

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drenyx:

but I'm extra paranoid

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kormoc:

dashcloud: I like WD's stuff

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dashcloud:

sounds good

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drenyx:

ditto, I run only WD

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dashcloud:

is multirec supported on all digital tuners? (and for the ones it supports, what's the max # of virtual tuners that can be added?)

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kormoc:

no, only on tuners that support it, and depends on the multiplex, if the multiplex has 6 streams, 6 tuners, if it has 4, 4 tuners, etc

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kormoc:

more tuners just won't do anything

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drenyx:

so...how do I set up like, movie directories and stuff for myth to play?

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Gav8in:

has there been a regression wrt the speed of video playback today?

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sphery:

dashcloud: and the UI only allows you to set up 5 virtual tuners max because testing revealed that number should generally work withouth causing more problems than it solves

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sphery:

drenyx: MythVideo

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dashcloud:

sphery: thanks!

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drenyx:

sphery: is that a command? or that's the part that makes it work ?

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sphery:

that's the plugin that can do that

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sphery:

needs installed, then it's accessed/configured through mythfrontend

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drenyx:

is there an easy way to configure it?

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kormoc:

the setting screens aren't easy?

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drenyx:

I didn't see it for mythvideo, but I might've been looking in the wrong spot

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sphery:

Utilities/Setup|Setup|Media Settings ... something about video-ish...

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sphery:

I think

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drenyx:

now I found I think...

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sphery:

Yeah, I'm sure having such clear instructions--a veritable map--from me helped immensely

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drenyx:

I did not dig deep enough the first time before asking

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drenyx:

well, I have a working mythtv install (no tuner card) for playing movies at the moment from my library

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drenyx:

I think I'm about as stopping point as it gets

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drenyx:

(for sleeping before more tweaking)

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Gav8in:

i'm hopin' the latest svn fixes my playback regression

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drenyx:

playback regression ?

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Gav8in:

playback of video has become dead slow after an svn up this morning

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sphery:

Gav8in: Are you getting tons of "MythSocket(<some value>:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket." errors in your log, now?

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Gav8in:

sphery, no. is that at the default loglevel?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

would be in either important or general

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sphery:

don't remember which

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Gav8in:

hrm, well i'm not seeing it

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jya:

anyone here using trunk with 5.1 analog audio ?

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Gav8in:

i am however getting horrible stuttering video playback, esp of 720p content

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sphery:

Gav8in: I don't remember any changes to playback code today... There were changes to socket handling.

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sphery:

Gav8in: are the files local?

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Gav8in:

yes, on an xfs filesystem

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Gav8in:

so my alternate hypothesis is that it got too full, had only 7gb free when i found the problem

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sphery:

that's quite possible

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Gav8in:

i'm doing a recompile and i'll retest, we'll see. let me know what to enable to debug this socket problem if itisn't in the default logs

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sphery:

xfs doesn't like full filesystems

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sphery:

it's default verbosity

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Gav8in:

i've freed about 40 gigs since then, it's only a 180gb partition so that's relatively empty

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sphery:

and it should be /very/ obvious in the logs if you're getting it

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Gav8in:

i'll ask myth to keep i guess 20gb free from now on

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Gav8in:

the only log pain was something about not finding channels in multiplexes

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sphery:

might want to do a rescan, too, just in case, then

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Gav8in:

rescan for channels, you mean? sure.

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Gav8in:

i've been doing a lot of antenna fiddling, and i switched my reception of a local channel that's simulcast from the low-vhf version to the uhf version of the multicast

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sphery:

yeah, rescan channels

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Gav8in:

i will; thanks.

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Gav8in:

btw: my WAF and TAF (toddler acceptance factor) are very high

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Gav8in:

they like either myth's superior viewing experience, or the wicked tivo remote i bought

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Gav8in:

Qq

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sphery:

that's a good thing

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sphery:

wondering whether my system has "PAF" (Personal Acceptance Factor) or "MAF" (Me) or what...

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Gav8in:

heh

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Dibblah:

Uhhhh...?

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Dibblah:

/dev/md10 3605383184 -2855584 3425095792 0% /mnt/backup

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Dibblah:

How exactly has that volume got negative used space? :(

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Gav8in:

-2855584 eh?

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Gav8in:

that would scare the living s--- out of me if i saw it

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Gav8in:

mount -o remount,ro /dev/md10

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Gav8in:

sorry, that was my reflexes there

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sphery:

wow... That must be the rare "dark" bits that scientists have always theorized exist out there somewhere

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Gav8in:

well, the system is still suttering and awful

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** Gav8in hrms. **

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Gav8in:

wish i knew what to fix

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paperclip:

http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/2009/08/31/asus-e . . . on-graphics/

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wagnerrp:

no IR sensor?

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if anyone makes a USB-plug-mounted sensor

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wagnerrp:

like those tiny bluetooth radios

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paperclip:

i'm sure it's possible..

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wagnerrp:

well it certainly possible

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Gav8in:

well, this sucks. i wish i knew why trunk was so hideouslyh slow on my machine

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wagnerrp:

i just wonder if anyone cells one

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wagnerrp:

sells

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, the iguanaworks one is IIRC

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paperclip:

I'd probably just use a wiimote and one of those bluetooth dongles

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: close... but the bluetooth dongles im talking about are all of a quarter inch past the end of the USB plug

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iamlindoro:

the aforementioned is the best you'll find I think

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iamlindoro:

find, I

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wagnerrp:

the kind of thing you can plug into your laptop, and then put it into a bag without risking it breaking off

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paperclip:

yeah.. that's huge :P

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wagnerrp:

you remove the transmitters, you could hack that board down to half the size

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wagnerrp:

you redesign the board, you could move the chip to the underside and the receiver directly behind the plug

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wagnerrp:

easily under half an inch

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paperclip:

yeah.. i'm guessing there are already smaller units

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wagnerrp:

not that i know of

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jya:

with radio chip , you're pretty much never free to move them wherever you want as they create a lot of digital noise

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Gav8in:

i have a usb dingle that sticks about 1/8" past the USB plug on my laptop

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Gav8in:

it's not flush, but it's close

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j-rod:

woo! delivery from Hong Kong...

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paperclip:

dingle! :p

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Gav8in:

it's useful; my car's diagnostic thingy speaks usb, so when i'm working on my engine i can set my laptop wherever in view and see engine data

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Gav8in:

err, s/speaks usb/speaks bluetooth/

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paperclip:

Gav8in: we're talking IR

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Gav8in:

well, use a bluetooth dingle and a wiimote

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guysoft422:

hi all, i am using gravatars, and for some strange reason, the default gravatar is not the grey shadow, is there a way to set the default?

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Gav8in:

that i think was a reasonable suggestion, and there's teeny weeny usb bluetooth dingles.

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wagnerrp:

gravatar?

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j-rod:

also, hdpvr IR receive working quite nicely now, cleaning things up, will then commit the necessary patch

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jya:

Having negative free space on unix-like system is common, depending on the OS and filesystem used

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Gav8in:

well, i'm now completely flummoxed why my mythbox stopped working with an update

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** Gav8in hrms. **

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wagnerrp:

there are several FSs that set the 'zero' to somewhere around 5–10% free space

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** wagnerrp still wants to know what a gravatar is in relation to mythtv **

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sphery:

this was negative /used/ space

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paperclip:

Gav8in: problem is that most AV equipment is using IR..

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wagnerrp:

oh? well thats rather funky

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jya:

ah yes, more of a worry then :)

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sphery:

maybe it means it will delete the first 2855584 bytes you write to it

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sphery:

I still think it's dark bits

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j-rod:

piss. really must figure out why lirc_zilog insists on not unloading.

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Gav8in:

AHA.

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Gav8in:

logging playback, it looks like my machine is doing software decoding of video

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Gav8in:

2009-08–31 21:37:26.322 VidOutVDPAU: Created VDPAU context (software decode)

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guysoft422:

worng channel :-/

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Gav8in:

oh, what's the right channel?

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wagnerrp:

i think guysoft422 meant he was in the wrong channel

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Gav8in:

maybe, but what i was talking about was the topic of discussion in #mythtv, so i think he was givin' me a helpful cue

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wagnerrp:

doubtful, guysoft422 is not in #mythtv

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guysoft422:

wagnerrp, Gav8in yes.. thats what i meant :-S

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sphery:

Gav8in: those are really -users issues

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Gav8in:

sorry

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sphery:

until we identify the bug that's causing them

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Gav8in:

ah, ok. i'll remember.

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sphery:

Gav8in: are you getting it only on channel change?

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sphery:

or even when entering LiveTV

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Gav8in:

no, all the time. perhaps EIT scans?

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sphery:

or even with recordings?

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Gav8in:

all the time, even when not recording.

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sphery:

oh, even when not wathcing... likely eit-related, then

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sphery:

I know nothing of eit, so I can't help with that

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Gav8in:

okie

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drenyx:

ok, gonna see how much of my config I lose on reboot :>

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drenyx:

bbl

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j-rod:

ok, IR blasting *and* receiving are working on my hdpvr now

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[R]:

SWEET

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[R]:

i'm getting mine tomorrow

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[R]:

j-rod: is there instructions somewhere?

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j-rod:

not yet

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j-rod:

I still have to clean things up so blasting works *without* irsend thinking it failed...

[02:37:51]

j-rod:

(the driver is currently claiming to have failed after two tries, when in fact, it was successful on both attempts)

[02:38:07]

j-rod:

(so irsend returns with an error, and the commands get send twice, but they're the correct commands

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j-rod:

so full functionality is damned close now

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brad2:

nice work j-rod!

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j-rod:

now to figure out why the hell it thinks its failing...

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Dagmar:

Yeah.

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j-rod:

ok, blasting working perfectly fine for me now too

[03:51:04]

kormoc:

woo

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kormoc:

updated my kernel version, lost audio

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heyheyhey:

hey all

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j-rod:

kormoc: yeah, alsa has a tendency to do that, esp. w/anything "Intel HDA"

[04:01:06]

sphery:

Would that make it "Intel High Definition Silence"?

[04:01:10]

kormoc:

heh

[04:01:21]

kormoc:

ahh there we go, different model

[04:01:58]

kormoc:

hrm

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** iamlindoro wonders if kormoc is setting up new hardware **

[04:02:09]

kormoc:

I am! HDPVR sweetness abounds :)

[04:02:34]

sphery:

I hear they're working on getting the IR working on those things...

[04:02:58]

iamlindoro:

I heard if we all switch to SageTV, it "just works"

[04:03:02]

kormoc:

if it accepts the mceusb 2 remote signals, that'd be awesome

[04:03:17]

kormoc:

I have to say, the hdpvr is the absolutely easiest thing to setup

[04:03:59]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: because you want a big glowing blue thing by your tv, rather than a tiny little nondescript black box?

[04:04:07]

kormoc:

ot

[04:04:12]

kormoc:

It's actually not bad at all

[04:04:26]

kormoc:

very very very soft

[04:04:31]

j-rod:

iamlindoro: I heard if we all switch to Fedora it Just Works. :)

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sphery:

who puts their backends by their TVs, anyway?

[04:05:08]

kormoc:

I do I do!

[04:05:16]

wagnerrp:

yeah... well you dont even have a frontend by your tv!

[04:05:37]

j-rod:

sphery: I have my hdpvr hooked to my frontend running as a slave backend, because that's where my only cable box is too

[04:05:52]

j-rod:

(I actually use the cable box directly a lot of the time for live tv)

[04:05:59]

sphery:

guess that makes sense

[04:06:09]

sphery:

well, except for the using the cable box directly part

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** j-rod spent nearly the entire weekend w/it tuned to Fox Soccer Channel **

[04:06:25]

sphery:

and the LiveTV part

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** wagnerrp goes back to ripping his remaining unripped DVDs **

[04:06:51]

j-rod:

next to zero commercials during soccer games

[04:07:28]

j-rod:

so its not so bad to just watch it live as background to other stuff I'm working on

[04:07:42]

sphery:

So I was hoping that kormoc would have finished up the changes for MythWeb that started as a quick patch and quickly got me in over my head. Figured if he had it done, I wouldn't have to feel guilty for not doing it myself.

[04:07:49]

j-rod:

like, shredding my xbox to fix my latest red ring of death episode

[04:08:44]

sphery:

oooh... I just had #2 about a month ago

[04:08:51]

j-rod:

and hacking on a certain device driver...

[04:08:56]

sphery:

you'll love the new RRoD return process... SO much smoother.

[04:08:56]

kormoc:

Hehe

[04:09:08]

j-rod:

this was my 2nd, was about 3 months past the 3 year warranty window

[04:09:14]

sphery:

:(

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j-rod:

so it was a $99 fee to get it repaired

[04:09:25]

sphery:

my 2nd was 6mos prior to the 3-yr warranty window

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j-rod:

said screw it, I'd try myself

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sphery:

(about perfect timing IMHO)

[04:09:43]

sphery:

what did you end up doing? and did it work?

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j-rod:

took it completely apart, put new thermal grease on the gpu and cpu

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kormoc:

hrm

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j-rod:

then intentionally overheated the gpu for about 30 min

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sphery:

to "reflow" it

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j-rod:

to reflow solder somewhere

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j-rod:

yeah

[04:10:50]

j-rod:

turn off, let cool, cross fingers...

[04:10:54]

sphery:

how did you overheat it?

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j-rod:

and its back to life

[04:11:16]

j-rod:

ran it w/the fan shroud removed and the fans blowing air only on the cpu

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sphery:

ahhh

[04:11:30]

sphery:

with a RRoD?

[04:11:37]

sphery:

still does GPU stuff then?

[04:11:57]

j-rod:

http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/images/x . . . mp%20074.jpg

[04:12:12]

j-rod:

yeah, 30 minutes sitting there w/the rrod flashing

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j-rod:

http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/ring_of_ . . . lamp_fix.htm for the full fixage

[04:12:29]

sphery:

nice

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j-rod:

though I just put the x-clamps back

[04:12:38]

sphery:

I'll have to keep that in mind for RRoD #3

[04:12:44]

sphery:

(as I don't want to just buy another)

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j-rod:

figured washer inserts was the next step

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j-rod:

my fallback plan a was to get the arcade one for $200, kinda would like to get a jasper w/hdmi out anyway

[04:13:23]

j-rod:

plan b is a ps3 slim

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sphery:

yeah, arcade for $200 and just slap your old HDD on it...

[04:13:44]

j-rod:

exactly

[04:13:52]

j-rod:

(120G WD w/hacked firmware... :)

[04:13:55]

sphery:

plan b only sucks for having to replace all the games (the expensive part)

[04:14:03]

j-rod:

yup

[04:14:04]

sphery:

did you do a DIY HDD upgrade?

[04:14:09]

j-rod:

I did

[04:14:19]

sphery:

I'm considering doing that, but was waiting 'til the end of my 3-yr window

[04:14:25]

j-rod:

originally had a 20

[04:14:30]

j-rod:

no reason to wait, really

[04:14:40]

j-rod:

when you send the xbox in for repair, its w/o the drive anyway

[04:14:48]

sphery:

yeah, when they're charging >$1/GB there's /no/ way I'd pay for the 120GB

[04:14:56]

wagnerrp:

ok... now i hate windows again

[04:14:59]

j-rod:

I think I paid $45 for the drive

[04:15:01]

sphery:

Yeah, but I didn't know if they'd be able to detect anything...

[04:15:09]

j-rod:

then a few hours o fpain

[04:15:12]

wagnerrp:

i dont f-ing want to run this program as administrator

[04:15:36]

wagnerrp:

i want to run it as my g-d user, without the increased privileges

[04:15:49]

sphery:

yeah, I was looking and the only one from newegg that's compatible is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136373 , which is $50

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wagnerrp:

i know exactly what functionality that will inhibit, and im perfectly fine with that

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j-rod:

sphery: yep, that's exactly the one I got

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j-rod:

the only real gotcha is that the firmware flasher is VERY picky about what sata controller you run it on

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sphery:

maybe newegg will do a nice HDD sale or clearance that one or something

[04:16:41]

sphery:

really...

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j-rod:

yeah, I tried like 4 different machines before finding one that actually worked

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sphery:

fortunately, I'm starting to get several mobos with different controllers

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j-rod:

ended up using an old ICH7, iirc

[04:17:13]

j-rod:

ICH8 or 9 failed, everything !Intel failed

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sphery:

I take it HDDHackr is Windows?

[04:17:39]

sphery:

that will be the challenge for me...

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j-rod:

dos boot disk, actually

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sphery:

sweet!

[04:17:58]

sphery:

that I can do

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j-rod:

though I did use xplorer360 (or something like that) under winders to copy files from the old drive

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sphery:

cool

[04:19:03]

sphery:

I'll keep it in mind... 5 more months 'til my EOW

[04:19:26]

** j-rod tags and builds a Fedora 11 kernel w/fully functional hdpvr ir support... **

[04:19:50]

sphery:

good work on that, btw. many will be ecstatic

[04:20:29]

j-rod:

now I can hide mine back away and never ever touch the IR part on it ever again. :)

[04:21:11]

j-rod:

guess I should try to finish up transmit support on the first-gen mceusb receiver

[04:21:20]

j-rod:

seems a lot of people are getting those off ebay these days

[04:23:09]

wagnerrp:

seriously... 3 years later and a program receiving constant updates on windows still requires admin rights

[04:23:14]

wagnerrp:

thats just lazy

[04:23:35]

sphery:

which prog?

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wagnerrp:

megui.... actually thats not the problem but a dependency, avisynth

[04:24:27]

wagnerrp:

of course the issues with avisynth can be worked around

[04:25:06]

wagnerrp:

time to give handbrake a whirl and see what kind of options it gives

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sphery:

interesting

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wagnerrp:

ive always been a bit put off by it, i have the notion that it is going to do everything for me, without letting me decide what it is doing

[04:25:58]

wagnerrp:

but having never used it, thats completely unfounded

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wagnerrp:

handbrake doesnt seem to like my partial rips...

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: have you noticed that the video storage group appears to be calculated in the tv disk space usage?

[04:28:42]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, yep, fix will require storage group types being implemented

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kormoc:

kk, was just worried there for a few :)

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** sphery wonders if he should include http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6582 since SG types won't be 'til 0.23 **

[04:31:00]

kormoc:

Updates to snow leopard, hdpvr, fun day!

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wagnerrp:

yep, handbrake isnt for me

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

auto nfs mounts are missing on snow leopard

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kormoc:

that's bad

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sphery:

guess wagnerrp prefers stomping on the bike pedals so he can do those fancy spinning stops

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kormoc:

ahh, it's /changed/ again

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kormoc:

it's in disk utility

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wagnerrp:

sphery: never seen anyone do donuts on a BMX?

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heyheyhey:

is there a way to saperate music video's from movies?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean?

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sphery:

in recordings?

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sphery:

if so, recording groups

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sphery:

or filter by category

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heyheyhey:

no i have music video dvds

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wagnerrp:

and you want to separate them in mythvideo?

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heyheyhey:

in video's it shows music one and movies

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wagnerrp:

just put them in different folders

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heyheyhey:

yeah it makes it show folders

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wagnerrp:

so whats the problem?

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heyheyhey:

tring to see if there was a neater way

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wagnerrp:

nope, folders

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heyheyhey:

if not i delete the music video's

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iamlindoro:

Or create categories and when .22 is out use category sort mode

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iamlindoro:

category metadata browse mode, that is

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sphery:

and in 0.21-fixes, you can just filter on the category of your choosing

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j-rod:

hm, I need to see if ppc builds are still borken...

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j-rod:

for both of those users that care

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wagnerrp:

aww come on....

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wagnerrp:

three times in a row, i got half way through typing out a long path before trying tab-completion

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wagnerrp:

only windows doesnt have tab-completion, and i shifted to another box, losing everything i had typed

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wagnerrp:

i no longer have control over that pinky, it just hits tab keys all on its own now

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kormoc:

the only answer is to cut it off

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wagnerrp:

must be

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wagnerrp:

of course then i wont have something to break when i need to take my mind off the pain of something else

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kormoc:

there's always the other one

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wagnerrp:

nah, thats for the 'enter' key on the numpad

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wagnerrp:

x264 settings have changed a bit since the last time ive done this

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meatmanek_:

does transcoding scale to multiple processors well?

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wagnerrp:

meatmanek_: depends on the codec

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sphery:

or how many transcodes you're doing concurrently

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meatmanek_:

are there codecs which can split onto multiple cores?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

hence... why it would depend on the codec

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meatmanek_:

examples?

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wagnerrp:

divx, h264, vc1

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wagnerrp:

thats specifically the official divx encoder

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wagnerrp:

most ASP implementations (including XviD) do not support multithreaded operation

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wagnerrp:

ooh... PS3 3.0 firmware went live a couple hours ago

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Dagmar:

Really?

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Dagmar:

ANything good in it?

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wagnerrp:

theyre migrating away from independent applications

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wagnerrp:

so the PS Store is now integrated into the XMB

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[R]:

you know what would kick butt... south park studios in mythtv

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wagnerrp:

aside from that... i dont know

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wagnerrp:

havent really looked at it, or downloaded it

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wagnerrp:

[R]: what are you talking about?

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[R]:

wagnerrp: being able to watch it inside mythtv

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you can... using mythbrowser

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[R]:

yeah, i dont want to ahve to use a web browser

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[R]:

thats cumbersome

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wagnerrp:

well then go complain to comedy central about not making their ToS compliant with scrapers

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wagnerrp:

i take that back

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wagnerrp:

i dont see anything in their ToS that would disallow use of a scraper to build a local interface to their video feeds

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greudin:

hi all

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greudin:

I have a strange problem my HVR-1300 dvb-t(cx2207) work with all program(mplayer kaffeine) except mythtv and I don't know why

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greudin:

i always get channel lock

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greudin:

and during scan Signal Timeout offset

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juski:

try increasing the signal timeout. That is the amount of time mythtv waits to get a lock when it's trying to find a signal

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greudin:

juski, oh yes I tryed but also with 15000 it's the same

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greudin:

juski, when I do the scan the signal is near 80% but it don't find anything

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saverio:

hello, I have a problem in compiling and installing myth on debian lenny... When I launch mythtv-setup or mythfront end I seen coloured rectangles without text and it prints in console this messages : X Error: RenderBadPicture (invalid PictureParameter)

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greudin:

saverio, ninux?

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Dr^Mouse:

hello all

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Dr^Mouse:

I'm hoping someone's about who can help me.

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juski:

just ask

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Dr^Mouse:

I have just set up a projector for my main MythTV box. Although this is fantastic for films, sport and other 'big screen' events, for general TV use it is a little big. I have started zooming out, but I have to do this manually ever time I watch a programme. Is there any way to save a zoom setting to be used as default?

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Dr^Mouse:

Or to define a custome 'Fill' setting?

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juski:

nope

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Dibblah:

Dr^Mouse: You get used to it.

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Dr^Mouse:

Dibblah: Yeah, I probably will. I'm currently at about a 2:1 viewing ratio (screen width to distance from screen) which is within the range that home theatre sites suggest, and it is fantastic for films etc., but before that I was running a 22" monitor at the same distance. I guess a bit of time will make it fine, but it would be a nice feature to add.

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Dr^Mouse:

Another thing someone may be able to help with. I am a big Formula 1 fan, and now, with the big screen, I would like to be able to watch the 'live' timings on the same screen. I am currently in the process of setting up a way to record those timeings for later playback, but I can't seem to find a way to enable PIP when watching a recording. Is this possible?

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Dr^Mouse:

s/timeings/timings/

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Dr^Mouse:

It would also be usefull to enable me to watch my security camera (just a webcam, but set up as an IPTV channel under myth) while watching recordings.

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juski:

PBP is possible in current trunk, IIRC – so it'll be in 0.22

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juski:

btw no video source without EPG data is EVER useful in mythtv :)

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juski:

you'll have to feed dummy guide data in for it to work

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Dibblah:

Dr^Mouse: I would seriously suggest looking into ZoneMinder.

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Dibblah:

And mythzoneminder.

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Dr^Mouse:

Dibblah: Ok thanks I'll look into that. And juski: I would be feeding guide data for the live timings, it's currently a work in progress (I will share code for it once it is working). The other thing I looked into was modifying Myth to handle F1 timings, and any other live sports data that may be available, possibly with some sort of plugin, but I never had the time to read up on it.

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Dr^Mouse:

currently I am generating a raw yuv stream from a modified live-f1 client into ffserver, but it does the job (kind of, ish... not elegant but good enough for now)

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Dr^Mouse:

any timescale on 0.22 completion?

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Dibblah:

I believe (and don't hold me to this) that we're on-target for a release before the Olympics.

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sid3windr:

could always go to the paralympics.. ;)

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Gav8in:

I'm /win hide

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sid3windr:

I'm not

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elprespufferfish:

anybody know why my display is showing the LCDproc Server screen now? it's switching off with the mythtv stuff

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j-rod:

elprespufferfish: set ServerScreen=no in LCDd.conf if you don't want to see it

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j-rod:

mythtv now correctly round-robins with other screens instead of blocking them all out

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elprespufferfish:

j-rod, thanks. i thought that was the default, so i left it commented out

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elprespufferfish:

working great now :D

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meatpod:

heyo

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juski:

byebye

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meatpod:

how much does l2 cache play a role in transcoding speed?

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meatpod:

would it be worth the extra $50 to go from q8400 to q9550?

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wagnerrp:

meatpod: not significantly

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meatpod:

good to know

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wagnerrp:

oh dear god... someone on the -users list is recommending someone transcode to 720p MPEG4ASP@1800kbps

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Shadow__X:

seems resonable no?

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wagnerrp:

thats a reasonable bitrate if youre encoding to standard definition

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wagnerrp:

it will look abysmal at 720p50

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highzeth:

depends *alot* on the action/motion of the video tho ;)

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Shadow__X:

but it will be a smaller file

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Shadow__X:

and that matters more than quality

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meatpod:

to an extent

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wagnerrp:

if you need smaller files, you need bigger hard drives

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wagnerrp:

with how cheap hard drives are, there is no sense sacrificing visible quality for space

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highzeth:

I wouldnt mind a 1800kbps encode of say a Golf Contest, I would mind one a F1 race tho

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Shadow__X:

newegg did have the 180 2tb deal

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meatpod:

a text file containing "blah" would technically be smaller but it's not useful

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: thats still a bit pricey

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Shadow__X:

right but are 1.5tb drives fully safe

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wagnerrp:

should be... yes

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wagnerrp:

Seagate isnt the only manufacturer

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wagnerrp:

and besides, their drives should be safe as well, they have just left a bad taste in peoples mouths

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Shadow__X:

also right now i have 5 1tb drives in an array and dont really have sata ports left after inlcuding the os drive and the dvdrom

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Shadow__X:

i think the next upgrade i do is a full array upgrade

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah esp iamlindoro i feel like he had a horrible time with those drives

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** j-rod has four of the 1.5T seagates **

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j-rod:

one has up and died on me

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j-rod:

still need to figure out which one it is and get it RMA'd

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j-rod:

been busy though

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tmkt:

yeah..i have .5T not quite enough

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tmkt:

but i think i'll be upgrading now that I've got a job lined up

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meatpod:

awesome. my crappy irc client. doesn't display /me messages properly

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tmkt:

i'll add 1.5T...2 T should be enough, i'd hope

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meatpod:

also iPod ishard to type on

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Gav8in:

hrm. rescanned, still getting lots of can't find messages from TVCT ihn my backend log

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Gav8in:

there's gotta be a bug here, i'll run through a debugger this evening

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Gav8in:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1550383 <-- this crap, over and over and over again

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paperclip:

wow.. i ordered an IONITX from newegg yesterday morning and UPS says it's out for delivery for the last 3 hours

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sphery:

paperclip: live in NJ? IIRC, newegg has a distribution center in Edison.

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paperclip:

I'm in new orleans.. they also ship from Memphis

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sphery:

wow... memphis->new orleans is still far enough I'd have thought it would take a couple days

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paperclip:

it says they received it last night at 8p

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paperclip:

it's an 8 our drive..

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paperclip:

hour

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paperclip:

pretty good time for ups

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elprespufferfish:

nice :D

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paperclip:

I'm excited.. all the parts for my first true HTPC

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paperclip:

previously i'd only run boxee on a laptop with a broken screen :P

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AndyCap:

oh come on, this is patentable? a remote that twits when you turn on tv? http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2 . . . ana=from_rss

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paperclip:

why would you want that in the first place

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AndyCap:

besides, they don't really want it on twitter I guess, they want to secretly send it to nielsen.com :P

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paperclip:

i could see that as slightly useful..

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AndyCap:

then again I don't really get twitter. :P

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paperclip:

i get it.. but auto messages are pretty annoying in general..

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paperclip:

it'd be like having a bot in channel that said every time you loaded a web page..

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AndyCap:

heh, yet I've seen people having their clients autoannounce mp3 playback

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AndyCap:

(and get banned for it) :)

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meatmanek_:

see

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meatmanek_:

some people assume that everybody wants to know every detail of your day

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meatmanek_:

their*

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Shadow__X:

or some peoples lifes are so pathetic and mudanne they need to try and get as much attention towards theirs lives as possible to feel as if they truely do have a purpose

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Shadow__X:

s/lifes/lives

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MythbuntuGuest94:

Hello, I have mythbunut and I am having trouble displaying other channels when I watch live tv

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MythbuntuGuest94:

I have pvr-150 with cable coax and it is set to come up to channel 2. However when I change channels it just goes to a black screen

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Dagmar:

You should read the documentation

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Dagmar:

You need to use an IR blaster or somethign to make the cable box change channels if you've got it hooked up that way

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Dagmar:

AndyCap: They may be trying to highlight the stupidity of the patent process

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MythbuntuGuest94:

I do not have a cable box, in another room i have a tv directly conneceted to the cable and I just change the channels on the tv

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Dagmar:

Either early last month or the month before last, some patent trolls actually filed suit against Twitter

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MythbuntuGuest94:

http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f1be0b0d0

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Dagmar:

I'm on a text-console at the moemnt so I can't pull that up right now... What's channel 2 got to do with it then?

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sphery:

empty pastebin?

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Dagmar:

I assumed since you mentioned it you had a cable box outputting to channel 2 over RF

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AndyCap:

Dagmar: I don't think it's possible to find a patent stupid enough.

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Dagmar:

If that's not the case, then just check you logs.

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MythbuntuGuest94:

sphery it should be /f1be2b0d0

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Dagmar:

AndyCap: You should see the patent the trolls got. It actually covers delivery of short messages "near instantaneously" over multiple mediums

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MythbuntuGuest94:

sorry, /f1be2b0d0

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Dagmar:

Like, if they hadn't mentioned multiple mediums, the most retarded patent examiner would have bounced their application with one word: "PAGERS!"

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Dagmar:

Rather clearly, they will fail if it goes to court

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MythbuntuGuest94:

Dagmar, channel 2 is what it is set to go to on start up. It is the only channel that works however

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Dagmar:

Okay so it's basically not changing channels then... Check the backend log (hopefully /var/log/mythbackend.log) and your dmesg output

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sphery:

MythbuntuGuest94: first thing to fix: OSDImgCache, Error: Creating osdcache directory failed.

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Dagmar:

sphery can surely walk you through it

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Dagmar:

I gotta git to work

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sphery:

myth creates a directory $HOME/.mythtv/osdcache , where it keeps local copies of theme elements. You need to fix permissions so it can

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sphery:

note that $HOME may not be your user's home--it's the HOME of whichever user is running the mythfrontend program

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sphery:

you won't be able to control volume because of: mixer unable to find control Master 1

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Dagmar:

BTW... wowpapercraft.blogspot.com <-- some of the stuff on there is insane

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Dagmar:

worng chan

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Dagmar:

I get the feeling the backend wasn't told there was a PVR-150

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Dagmar:

It's hard to break ivtv driver loading on Mythbuntu

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sphery:

you need to change your "Mixer controls" setting to PCM or, if you have a "new, advanced" Intel HDA sound card that's lacking /both/ PCM and Master controls, you'll need to either create a softvol control or use external volume control

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sphery:

actually, I think that's a SG issue...

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sphery:

Or an Intel video drivers issue

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MythbuntuGuest94:

Sphery – ok yes I usally run the front end as a regualr user

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Dagmar:

Make sure your disk isn't full then

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sphery:

ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1013_20090720115124.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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sphery:

is bad

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Dagmar:

Hence, check the disk space

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sphery:

MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Warning: Audio sample rate 32000 Hz is not supported by ivtv driver, using 48000 Hz instead.

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sphery:

is worse

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Dagmar:

eek

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Dagmar:

Man I gotta run

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sphery:

In your Recording Profiles, change the audio sample rate to 48kHz

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sphery:

Can't use 32kHz with ivtv'

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sphery:

(and there's no reason to do so, anyway--audio bitrate is negligible compared to video, so no real benefit to reducing it)

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sphery:

For the playback problems, first fix the recording profile

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sphery:

then if you still don't get video, start looking at the "should be local, but it can not be found" thing--fix your Storage Groups configuration/directory permissions/etc.

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MythbuntuGuest94:

sphery – I do not have an osdcache directory in my regular users directory or my mythuser directory.

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sphery:

right, it's saying it cannot create it

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sphery:

whichever user was running mythfrontend did not have permissions on the $HOME/.mythtv directory

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sphery:

I didn't get enough of the frontend log to see which directory it's using, though

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sphery:

actually, it seems we don't output it for the frontend...

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** sphery will have to fix that **

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MythbuntuGuest94:

so shoudl i change my permissions for my .mthtv dir only or recserivly? or do i just need to change the owner?

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sphery:

what are permissions for /home/mythtv and /home/mythtv/.mythtv

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sphery:

(assuming mythuser is mythtv)

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MythbuntuGuest94:

.

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MythbuntuGuest94:

drwxr-xr-x for mythtv

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MythbuntuGuest94:

having trouble listing my .mythtv dir

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sphery:

sudo ls -ld /home/mythtv/.mythtv

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sphery:

perhaps

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sphery:

if that doesn't work, there's definitely a problem there :)

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MythbuntuGuest94:

ok that worked : )

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MythbuntuGuest94:

drwxr-xr-x mythtv root

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sphery:

and mythfrontend is running as user mythtv?

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sphery:

if so: sudo rm -r /home/mythtv/.mythtv/{osd,theme}cache

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sphery:

and restart the frontend

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sphery:

then fix the recording profile

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sphery:

then test

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sphery:

oh, and be very careful with the syntax on that rm command or you could do bad things...

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sphery:

i.e. errant spaces are /very/ dangerous

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MythbuntuGuest94:

ya, well i normall run the frontend from the gui when i'm logged in as a regular user (not mythtv user)

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sphery:

(I recommend copy/paste)

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MythbuntuGuest94:

sphery – should i still run that command?

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sphery:

I would guess that the mythbuntu start script is setting the process to run as the user they've configured

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sphery:

if not, you'll need to find "the right way" to start it--I don't know MythBuntu, so I can't tell you how they've defined it

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sphery:

but, yeah, run that command

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sphery:

can't hurt and just might fix any problems

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sphery:

in #ubuntu-mythtv they could tell you more about how to "occasionally" run mythfrontend on a system (getting it set up and how to start it properly)

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jarjar:

hello i search french user can you help me please

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MythbuntuGuest94:

spherey – no such file or directory. I doulbe checked and verified this

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MythbuntuGuest94:

those files dont exist

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sphery:

then you're probably starting mythfrontend wrong for how they've designed the distro

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sphery:

some mythbuntu user will have to help

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sphery:

but still fix recording profiles

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sphery:

then possibly storage groups

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MythbuntuGuest94:

ok

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raptorjr:

hello, i did a update right now of trunk, and when i enter watch recordings the frontend takes 100% cpu, is this known or is it only me?

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MythbuntuGuest94:

sphery- thaks for your help

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sphery:

raptorjr: sounds like you're on a system that only works with vdpau and you don't have current trunk

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raptorjr:

i have 21623

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raptorjr:

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raptorjr:

i'm

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sphery:

yeah, there's no live preview in trunk'

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sphery:

did you have trunk working before?

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sphery:

if not, it's almost definitely a configuration issue on your system

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raptorjr:

yes, did the latest update a few days ago. i'm kind of new at this, how do i go back to a specific revision?

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sphery_:

raptorjr: as I was saying before my power so rudely disappeared... because other people are getting playback with current trunk

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jarjar:

hello i have download a channels.conf for my country

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jarjar:

where do i put it in for i can see tv?

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sphery_:

jarjar: in MythTV, you should really use the mythtv-setup channel scanner to configure channels

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sphery_:

channels.conf doesn't have all the information MythTV needs, so importing it doesn't usually work well

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jarjar:

i use mythbuntu

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sphery_:

start mythtv-setup and go through the steps there

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jarjar:

it's a channels.conf by a man in a mythtv french forum

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sphery_:

still, myth doesn't use channels.conf

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sphery_:

and it doesn't have enough info

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sphery_:

so you should scan for yourself

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jarjar:

ok a restart a scan with myth setup

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raptorjr:

sphery_, there was no problem with playback, it works perfectly, it was when i'm on the watch recordings screen

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sphery_:

raptorjr: oh, sorry... I misread. Yeah, that's a known issue.

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sphery_:

price of running unstable code :)

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raptorjr:

:)

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raptorjr:

then i know, didn't notice it before when i switched to trunk a few days ago

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sphery:

it's been there for a long time

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sphery:

however, you'll see it more depending on config

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sphery:

only happens with opengl painter

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raptorjr:

ok

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sphery:

and some themes show it more than others

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raptorjr:

thought it was funny since nothing is mowing on that screen

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raptorjr:

moving

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sphery:

actually, there's a lot moving--you just don't see it :)

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raptorjr:

ok :)

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sphery:

it's alphapulse and the clock

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sphery:

so, depending on theme, the moving stuff may all be invisible

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raptorjr:

it seems that it was because i had disabled composite in xorg. read somewhere that it was a good thing to do if you were running vdpau

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raptorjr:

now everything works like it did before 9% cpu in watch recording screen

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greudin:

absurd

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greudin:

I get Not ivtv driver?? in the log when I try to watch live tv

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greudin:

20 minutes ago all it's ok

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greudin:

after upgrade alsa this mess

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greudin:

why!!

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raptorjr:

how can i remove a commercial flagging of a recording? after i edited the recording and removed all commercials, and transcoded it. the flagging is still there and jumps when it shouldnt =)

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sphery:

greudin: sounds like you have multiple different devices and on reboot they moved--you need udev rules or module options to "pin" your video devices to a specific number

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sphery:

raptorjr: you should transcode it in myth. if you do it removes all that garbage automatically

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raptorjr:

yes i did

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sphery:

then you don't have the old flag list

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sphery:

but play the recording and hit e, then z, then clear all the cut points, then exit to playback

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raptorjr:

ok, will try

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wagnerrp:

looks like WD released Black and RE 2TB drives today

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kormoc:

OOH!

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kormoc:

linkie?

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sphery:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/01/wd_2tb_caviar_black/

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kormoc:

UGHHHH!!!! a week too late!!!

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sphery:

was waiting for kormoc to show up for that, but wagnerrp pounced first!

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

figured as much

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kormoc:

Time for another upgrade! Woo!

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wagnerrp:

you had that link up too fast

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sphery:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

i just happened upon it at anandtech right as kormoc logged in

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: that mean you ordered a green last week?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: nah, 1 tb blacks

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kormoc:

I don't do green or blue ;)

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wagnerrp:

a racist eh?

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kormoc:

Just means my desktop gets the 1t's and the server gets the 2t's

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kormoc:

If supporting a downtrodden color is colorist, then paint it black!

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** kormoc starts humming rolling stones **

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wagnerrp:

do they still make blues?

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kormoc:

so sphery I think I have all the sleeps out, just tracking down some odd behavior with the refresh, it's refreshing after the schedule incorrectly.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: afaik yeah

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sphery:

kormoc: cool... did you end up updating rec_default() , rec_override() , activate() , etc?

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kormoc:

sphery: the ones that didn't call reschedule, aye

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sphery:

so there was some other place besides the ones I marked in that proto-patch?

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wagnerrp:

i think they still make 2.5" blues, but i havent seen a 3.5" blue in a long time

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sphery:

Seagate will soon have a 1TB 2.5" : http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/01/2tb_seagate_sff/

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sphery:

(don't know why the URI says 2tb)

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** wagnerrp complains about his stale fortune cookie **

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** wagnerrp complains about his retarded fortune **

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: that's why you should go for the fortune cookies with wings.

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AndyCap:

now even in a flash variety, http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyi . . . provider=top

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kormoc:

IPoAC

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: i heard some white water rapids company is actually using that

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kormoc:

Yup, hence AndyCap's link :)

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wagnerrp:

oh, didnt click on it

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wagnerrp:

will the jobqueue trigger more than one job per minute?

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wagnerrp:

actually, better question... is there any way to detect what what machines are currently running a jobqueue

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wagnerrp:

through mythbackend or otherwise

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sphery:

wagnerrp: meaning what machines are allowed to run jobs or what machines are currently executing jobs?

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wagnerrp:

meaning what machines are allowed to run jobs (and currently have a jobqueue running that can run them)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/mv_23_menu.png

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wagnerrp:

i suppose i can always just add a job for that machine, and remove it ~3 minutes later if it has not been executed

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sphery:

any reason you need to specify which machine?

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wagnerrp:

so i can test a particular machine

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sphery:

ahh...

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sphery:

was thinking this was for the bindigns or something

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wagnerrp:

no, this is something to facilitate exporting to other devices

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sphery:

iamlindoro: pretty

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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sphery:

I like the alpha

[18:36:25]

sphery:

but those fonts look a little heavy...

[18:36:26]

sphery:

:)

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, trying to learn from mistakes made in Graphite, slowly but durely hammering it in to a style I can move forward with

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iamlindoro:

That's Inkscape, the font rendering is correct there ;)

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sphery:

(joking about your previous comments re: Qt fonts)

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sphery:

d'oh

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sphery:

ruins my joke

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wagnerrp:

i want to be able to add a hot-swap hard drive to a backend/jobqueue, have it detect the hard drive, and sync selected content over to it, along with a sql file to drop all existing content, and add the new content

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sphery:

and removes all artistic credibility I may have falsely acquired

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/mv_23_menu2.png

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iamlindoro:

Getting little closer...

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sphery:

are you moving stuff around?

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sphery:

I didn't keep the old one to compare

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sphery:

oh, but the old didn't have a 2

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sphery:

bubbles are good--look polished

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iamlindoro:

yeah... just need to figure out what to do about the floating screenshots and I'll have something to work with

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sphery:

So is that a Mongolian gazelle or a Tibetan Fox in the background? Strange looking plains-creature... And I've heard of bluegrass, before, but didn't realize just how blue it was.

[19:11:52]

sphery:

(I'm joking there--I realize it's a series pic, not an episode one :)

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sphery:

I think it would actually be /very/ disturbing if the background changed on every scroll to another episode.

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iamlindoro:

within TV series, fanart doesn't change

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iamlindoro:

(unless the user has specified individual fanarts for each episode)

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iamlindoro:

I would really really like to see smooth crossfades between fanarts, though

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iamlindoro:

and if I had any notion of how to do it I would do so myself

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j-rod:

wow, is trebek really still vertical?

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Dagmar:

When he's not being ridden by high-priced women, sure

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ekristen:

hello, I just got FIOS installed today, used to have comcast cable, besides running through the mythtv setup and doing a mythfilldatabase (now that I have switched over my schedules direct) is there anything else I need to do?

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Shadow__X:

ekristen: is watch tv working for your sources

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ekristen:

Shadow__X: its all digital so I am working on setting up the STB with my pvr 150 and irblaster

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Shadow__X:

you might beable to atleast use firewire to change the channels

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Shadow__X:

but ymmv

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Shadow__X:

just a thought also you can atleast get local broadcasts over firewire

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Shadow__X:

which would give you a smidgen on hd

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ekristen:

eh, well I got my PVR-150 with the irblaster cable

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ekristen:

thought I would just use that

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sphery:

ekristen: mythfilldatabase won't remove non-existent channels by default... The cleanest approach to /ensuring/ you're not leaving garbage/forgetting required steps is to do the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 .

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sphery:

ekristen: you can try manually deleting the channels that are no longer in your lineup and mfdb's --remove-new-channels might work, but I won't guarantee any approach will work except the one in the linked post

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ekristen:

sphery: if I delete all video sources, my existing shows will still have their metadata correct?

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Shadow__X:

sphery: you should make a shortcut for that link

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sphery:

ekristen: all metadata, yeah, but if your chanid's change, they will no longer have channel numbers/icons shown

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sphery:

they = old recordings

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ekristen:

eh that I don't care about :)

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sphery:

your new channels will have their channel info, obviously

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ekristen:

I just wnat to be able to know what I am watching in my old recordings

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sphery:

I have a patch for the restore script that will eventually correct channel issues like that, but it's not ready and we're in a feature freeze

[19:32:06]

sphery:

that won't be a problem...

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sphery:

all /important/ info will be there

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ekristen:

is there an option to tell mythtvsetup to ignore the resolution and offset adjustments? I am trying to configure my mythtv backend from my laptop using ssh and it is only backend now, it used to be a frontend too

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sphery:

ekristen: mythtv-setup -O ThemePainter=qt -geometry 800x600

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sphery:

or whatever

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ekristen:

much better

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ekristen:

thanks

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ekristen:

and its -geometry before the 800x600

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sid3windr:

that's what sphery said:P

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gpd:

any clue if the aspire revos function well as mythtv frontends?

[19:41:48]

sphery:

for the type of content it plays and good quality versions of that type of content, probably

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sphery:

i.e. you're completely at the mercy of the nvidia drivers/vdpau

[19:42:23]

sphery:

IMHO, frontends should be the most powerful part of your myth setup

[19:42:53]

gpd:

unfortunately i don't have license to put in a non-silent solution

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sphery:

different room with wires run through/around walls?

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gpd:

that is working in one room -but the other is too far away i think

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sphery:

no case is as pretty as an invisible frontend

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gpd:

also: is there a good solution to the 'media player' for audio that runs alongside mythtv? the built in audio client plugin struggles with large numbers of files

[19:45:09]

Dagmar:

...until you stub your toe on the f**ker

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gpd:

right now i am using ctrl-alt to a gnome-terminal running mocp!

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Dagmar:

gpd: why would there be any other case

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Dagmar:

There's MythMusic and that's pretty much it

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sphery:

gpd: you mean MythMusic won't play some of your audio files?

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Dagmar:

sphery: NO! IMPOSSIBUHLS!

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gpd:

no – i mean i have lots of files and it is very difficult to get mythmusic to browse to what i want...

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sphery:

if not, you probably need to use EXEC in the menu to bring up a different player... grep for EXECTV for an example

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gpd:

i.e. i din't like the interface

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sphery:

oh, then, yeah, you'll have to use something else

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sphery:

or wait for 0.23

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gpd:

a different player is fine – just wondering what works well in people's experience

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gpd:

right now i am struggling with tiny fonts in the other windows

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sphery:

I use a script that starts mplayer playing an Internet radio station

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gpd:

guess i need to find how to set DPI

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sphery:

i.e. non-visual UI because I don't "watch" my music

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gpd:

boxee works – but doesn't seem to play well alongside mythtv

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gpd:

unless i use a different X11 on :1 or something

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Dagmar:

How to set DPI for X11 is in the wiki

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Dagmar:

I know it's in the wiki.

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sphery:

gpd: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . rect_this.3F plus the links to DisplaySize and Specifying DPI for NVIDIA Cards inside.

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gpd:

hmm. not sure about DPI – my xdpyinfo says 90x88

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Dagmar:

Everything there is to know about DPI is in that wiki

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Dagmar:

I know I personally sat down and wrote almost a full typed page about it

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Dagmar:

If you can't figure out how to do the math to compute dots per inch with a ruler and the TV in front of you, you need to watch less television.

[19:55:21]

Dagmar:

Seriouslu.

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Dagmar:

s/lu/ly/;

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Gav8in:

The size of the typesetting point, now there's something to argue about.

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gpd:

not sure if DPI is anything to do with my issue – my fonts are all fine -but i am running 1680x1050 and sitting 10 feet away – so in firefox the menus are all TINY – but the fonts are all as they should be... therefore is this a DPI issue?

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gpd:

or can i just tell metacity to use LARGER fonts?

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Dagmar:

You will need to tell Metacity to use larger fonts

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Dagmar:

Thankfully (and I swear this is a good thing) fonts in X are now handled _correctly_ with respect to size

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Dagmar:

Point size is a _real world_ size

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wagnerrp:

i cant imagine sitting 10' away from something running 1680x1050

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Dagmar:

So like, a 12-point font will always be so many mm high, no matter what the size of hte screen

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Dagmar:

...which makes 12point fonts on an 18foot projector absolutely hilarious.

[19:58:47]

Dagmar:

Myth basically uses a fixed value so that themes won't shatter into a million pieces

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wagnerrp:

do they actually make anything larger than 22" at that resolution?

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** AndyCap wants a 200dpi laptop. **

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gpd:

i am missing a cable to use my LCD TV so using an LCD monitor for now...

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sphery:

do we even know if that's the input resolution or the display resolution?

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Dagmar:

gpd: Honestly, it saves some hassle when you do that

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Dagmar:

For one, it generally means you can run the display at it's native res instead of having to output something and have the display mangle it to fit

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gpd:

Dagmar: so i should search for metacity font size setting... right?

[20:02:44]

Dagmar:

If you're using Metacity you have GNOME, right?

[20:02:44]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: ive not seen one higher than 150dpi

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wagnerrp:

my laptop is around 135dpi

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Dagmar:

There's stuff in the gnome config tools to change the font size for Metacity and everything else

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Dagmar:

It won't affect MythTV (obviously) but it should make you able to adjust the font size for every Gtk+-driven app on there

[20:03:39]

gpd:

Dagmar: no sign of gnome – the mythtv auto login doesn't seem to run gnome – just metacity

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gpd:

when i run mythtv frontend as a normal user – i get vertical sync issues / slowness

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wagnerrp:

most of the desktop monitors ive seen are right around 100dpi

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gpd:

but i can use gnome tools probably to set metacity fonts

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AndyCap:

whee, got my grubby hands on a pl2303 eeprom tool. :)

[20:05:10]

Dagmar:

gpd: I've got no idea about doing it without the control panel stuff unless you want to poke around in gconf directly

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gpd:

while i do that --- another question:

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Dagmar:

I know the stuff GNOME provides is a nice interface for poking numbers into particular places in the gconf registry

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gpd:

I have VGA / DVI output from frontend – LONG VGA cable – then TV with Component / HDMI -

[20:06:50]

gpd:

should I get VGA to component cable – OR VGA to HDMI (or is that not possible)

[20:06:52]

Dagmar:

You get to spend money, then

[20:07:18]

Dagmar:

I'd have gone for a video card with HDMI output personally

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AndyCap:

gpd: what's wrong with dvi -> hdmi btw?

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Dagmar:

...but whatever you can find cheapest

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AndyCap:

apart from no sound. :P

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gpd:

nothing worng with that – that is what i had before the server moved 30 feet away...

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gpd:

so i could buy at 30 foot DVI -> HDMI cable BUT I already own a 30 Foot VGA cable...

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gpd:

so was trying to save money... [fool]

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wagnerrp:

you still get worthwhile signal over 30ft?

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gpd:

30 foot VGA cable to LCD monitor is great at 1680...

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AndyCap:

gpd: well, some people here have more luck with VGA, but if you don't have vga in on the TV you should get a DVI cable of some sort

[20:09:11]

gpd:

just that i can't plug it into the LCD tv...

[20:09:31]

gpd:

so VGA to component converter no good?

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AndyCap:

sinice vga is RGBHV and not component

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wagnerrp:

there is no such thing as a VGA to component 'connector'

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wagnerrp:

you have to get a scan converter

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AndyCap:

gpd: can your card output that on the vga connector? or are you talking about an expensive box that costs more than a new cable

[20:10:10]

wagnerrp:

or have a device that can use RGB, which means a couple rare projectors

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gpd:

wagnerrp: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Premium-Component-Cab . . . p/B000P3NZ68 <--

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gpd:

AndyCap: the card is a standard nVidia with VGA OR DVI

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wagnerrp:

that does not output a signal compatible with nearly any component input you will find

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AndyCap:

gpd: new cable time

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wagnerrp:

component is YPrPb, that cable will output RGB

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gpd:

wagnerrp: ok – good news, won't be buying that

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wagnerrp:

you will get garbage on screen

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Dagmar:

gpd: The simplest and least-expensive thing will be just to order a long HDMI or DVI cable from someone online

[20:12:46]

Dagmar:

Don't buy it in a store unless you just won the lottery

[20:13:01]

gpd:

Dagmar: fair enough – thanks

[20:13:06]

AndyCap:

and are feeling very generous towards the store.

[20:13:23]

gpd:

http://www.tvcables.co.uk/cgi-bin/tvcables/sh . . . i-cable.html <--- done

[20:13:27]

Dagmar:

cables4less, places like that, they sell stuff for like a quarter of what BestBuy does

[20:13:48]

Dagmar:

...because basically, cables are just wire and are cheap

[20:14:10]

Gav8in:

well, i was assured at bestbuy that if i used an inferior hdmi cable i'd get bad resolution and colours would look flatt3er

[20:14:23]

AndyCap:

Gav8in: and become impotent?

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gpd:

Dagmar: true – but not that simple as the above VGA -> component story demonstrates — you need to know WTF the signals are ;)

[20:14:33]

gpd:

which is where i FAIL ;)

[20:14:39]

Gav8in:

i dunno. the same salesguy shared a rule of thumb about cable costs and stuff. it was pretty weird.

[20:14:41]

wagnerrp:

at 30', you probably want to buy a pricier, lower gage cable

[20:14:54]

AndyCap:

Gav8in: oh lord, not that 10% lie?

[20:15:21]

wagnerrp:

the normal cheap AWG28 stuff is usually only recommended out to 15'

[20:15:30]

Gav8in:

andy, something like that.

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AndyCap:

so lower gauge means lower AWG number right? not thinner cable?

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wagnerrp:

lower gauge, fatter cable

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AndyCap:

Gav8in: aka 100% of our bottom line. :P

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GreyFoxx:

lower gauge = thicker cacble

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Gav8in:

Go for 00 gauge.

[20:16:10]

AndyCap:

and fewer shot. :)

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gpd:

again – back to the drawing board for the other room where the run would be 100 feet... balls. somebody needs to invent a CHEAP wireless HDMI send/receive system

[20:16:34]

jams:

feeling better GreyFoxx?

[20:16:39]

AndyCap:

gpd: there's also bluejeanscable. I think they ship from the uk too now for international order

[20:16:43]

Gav8in:

or a cheap ATSC modulator

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GreyFoxx:

jams: much

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Gav8in:

the cheapest i've found was $575

[20:16:50]

wagnerrp:

Gav8in: no such thing

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jams:

good good

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Gav8in:

why on earth do ATSC modulators cost so much?

[20:16:57]

AndyCap:

gpd: another frontend and gigabit ethernet. :P

[20:17:06]

GreyFoxx:

I'm now on pills so no more 3 trips to the hospital every dya for an iv :)

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wagnerrp:

Gav8in: because there is no market for cheap ones

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Gav8in:

wagnerpp: as 00 gauge cable, or a cheap atsc modulator?

[20:17:22]

Gav8in:

i know 00 gauge exists; i own some

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Gav8in:

so i guess the latter

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AndyCap:

Gav8in: in hdmi it would be somewhat unwieldly

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wagnerrp:

i would love a cheap ATSC modulator

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Gav8in:

hdmi to atsc modulator i guess would cost like $600 to put together or so?

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GreyFoxx:

Gav8in: Planning to be youyr own TV station ? :) Why would you need a atsc modulator ?:)

[20:18:43]

Gav8in:

grey: for feeding video to TVs around the house on coax, say

[20:18:50]

Gav8in:

it's not totally crazy

[20:18:50]

AndyCap:

Gav8in: can atsc support 1080p mpeg2?

[20:19:00]

wagnerrp:

Gav8in: just a modulator could be put together for ~$20

[20:19:06]

wagnerrp:

AndyCap: yes

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Gav8in:

no, so i guess a QAM modulator would make more sense

[20:19:13]

GreyFoxx:

Yes, QAM

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Gav8in:

ui thought atsc was limited to about 19.4mbps?

[20:19:28]

** Gav8in shrugs **

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GreyFoxx:

And even then It is crazy. Just place myth boxes around the house,

[20:19:45]

GreyFoxx:

:)

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AndyCap:

30 fps 1080p according to wikipedia.

[20:20:23]

sphery:

and 24fps

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: im talking about a motor home with an existing coax matrix switchbox/modulator

[20:20:39]

sphery:

http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ISSUES/what_is_ATSC.html

[20:21:04]

wagnerrp:

i would love to be able to run hddvd/bluray over that (never gonna happen)

[20:21:08]

wagnerrp:

or at least plug a mythbox into it

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sphery:

but people all say that blu-ray is the only way you could possibly be able to get 1080p...

[20:21:23]

sphery:

only difference is blu-ray allows 1080p60

[20:21:36]

sphery:

but is there /any/ 1080p60 content in existence on blu-ray?

[20:21:43]

Gav8in:

So an HDFury at $199 + a ZeeVee at $399 will, for $600, let you send HDMI out as QAM. Weird.

[20:21:54]

wagnerrp:

ZeeVee?

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sphery:

(granted, that doesn't mean stations actually encode to 1080p30 or 1080p24 before broadcast, but...)

[20:22:15]

Gav8in:

http://www.amazon.com/ZeeVee-ZV100-NA-ZvBox/d . . . 0&sr=8-1

[20:22:16]

Gav8in:

Zeevee

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wagnerrp:

video-in... QAM out?

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AndyCap:

Why Send HD Over Coax? Because it's there.

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AndyCap:

yeah. I can see that.

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Gav8in:

that's what it does

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AndyCap:

people in various forum complaining about the future-unproofness of hdmi. :)

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Gav8in:

it's $$$

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wagnerrp:

well then... the price for my the mythtv box for my parent's motorhome just jumped up over $1K

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sphery:

better question, why didn't the DVI/HDMI designers user coax, like they were supposed to

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Dagmar:

AndyCap: Gosh... whatever happened to all those promises of HDMI being upgradable through software updates?

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AndyCap:

sphery: becuase they were idiots

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sphery:

(and, no, I don't mean RG-59 or RG-6)

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sphery:

agreed

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sphery:

cheaped out

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Gav8in:

wag: you're getting one?

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Dagmar:

Oh wait... NO ONE ever bothered to ship any

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AndyCap:

then again. from what I saw you could send audio over SDI so that would be nice.

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wagnerrp:

my mom is opposed to the whole idea, no way im going to push them on that

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Dagmar:

Sony had the one unit that does HDMI 1.3 and one stereo that went with it and no one else felt it necessary to even upgrade their already-sold units to that even

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Gav8in:

If I understand the HDFury, it's illegal to use if you dont use those little screws on the side.

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AndyCap:

O_o

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Gav8in:

so remember folks, screw in those little screws on the side!

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Dibblah:

Uhm... HDMI does use coax.

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Dibblah:

It's twisted pairs, inside a sheath.

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wagnerrp:

Gav8in: eh?

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sphery:

twisted pairs aren't coax

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Gav8in:

wagnerrp: they havea funny FAQ...

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Shadow__X:

that box is intriguing esp because you can have mythtv in your whole house quickly

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Dibblah:

I don't quite understand the complaint.

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Gav8in:

well, why on earth doesn't someone make a USB2 QAM thing? Why bother doing encoding in hw

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Dibblah:

coax really doesn't work for the type of signal in HDMI.

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Gav8in:

"- HDfury can screw directly to your display therefore (unlike the stripper/converter boxes) it remains compliant to the HDCP rules as it does not allow and end-user easy access to the analog decrypted signal. " <-- they actually say that.

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wagnerrp:

Gav8in: several years ago, some crackpot put together a DVB-T modulator using the VGA pins on an old video card

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AndyCap:

Dibblah: http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/w . . . er-with-hdmi

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Dibblah:

There are hdfury clones.

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Dibblah:

DVI is easy to terminate.

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AndyCap:

compared to hd-sdi? no.

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Dibblah:

Oh, goodness. The author does not understand broadband / baseband.

[20:32:31]

Dibblah:

You can't do digital signals over any distance using coax.

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janneg:

wagnerrp: s/crackpot/Fabrice Bellard/

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Dibblah:

You use balanced pairs for quite complex and difficult to explain reasons.

[20:34:22]

Dibblah:

"that doesn't stop, doesn't error-check" – rubbish.

[20:35:07]

Dibblah:

I'm stopping reading this. The author is a classic "audiophile".

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Gav8in:

http://www.pearcable.com/sub_products_anjou_sc.htm

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sphery:

Dibblah: another one at: http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/34579/122868.html

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Gav8in:

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/3429.asp

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sphery:

might be wrong, but it seemed reasonable (and fits my experience)

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Dibblah:

"First, there is no reason why any perceptible degradation of an analog component video signal should occur even over rather substantial distances"... Bull.

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Dibblah:

Anything over 10m and you're toast with hi-def analogue.

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Dibblah:

Capacitive smearing kills you.

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Dibblah:

The same rules apply to digital cables as they do to analogue ones.

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Dagmar:

"Many thanks to Bluejeans Cable for providing this article for our site."

[20:39:34]

Dagmar:

That explains so much

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Dibblah:

... Don't buy the cheapest ones, they will suck. Don't buy the expensive ones, unless you have a severe personality disorder and too much cash.

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gbee:

the $500 Denon is an old classic, 1.5m Cat 5e ... license to print money

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Gav8in:

yeah, but I can never resist those two links whenever discussing quality cables or audiophiles.

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Gav8in:

hey, should i expect ATSC to work on a boat?

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kormoc:

I'm on a BOAT!\

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Gav8in:

awesome. is ATSC working?

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Gav8in:

heh

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j-rod:

kormoc: haha, awesome music vid

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AndyCap:

wouldn't that depend on how far from land you are?

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Gav8in:

oh, right, the SNL skit

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sphery:

and whether you're moving

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Gav8in:

andycap, well, sure.

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Gav8in:

well, here's the thing about the moving: you kinda always are.

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sphery:

AIUI, ATSC doesn't generally work for moving receivers

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AndyCap:

Gav8in: gyrostabilized platform. :)

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Gav8in:

i don't use docks much, mostly anchor and moorings, and so the boat's always tacking on the anchor (turning 60 degrees each way repeatedly) and wave action etc...

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gbee:

Dibblah: at least for HDMI all cables carrying the HDMI logo are rated to the same standards, so $1 or $100, it's still guaranteed to have an error rate less than 1 bit in 1 billion which is humanly imperceptible

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AndyCap:

gbee: unless they're lying weasels who just learned how to print a HMDI logo and RoHS sticker.

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sphery:

wonder what range, etc. for that test

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sphery:

or if they have to verify each length of cable they make

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gbee:

AndyCap: sure, but if you are going to assume that's the case, who is to say it's even a HDMI cable and not a wet piece of string with two clothes pegs at either end? :)

[20:51:33]

AndyCap:

gbee: well, some of the cables have to work at least to get them in the stores. :)

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sphery:

those are annoying when they keep drying out in your air-conditioned home and you have to rewet the cables mid movie

[20:53:11]

** AndyCap notices that the HMDI scam seems to work well. **

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Gav8in:

make sure to use electrolyte when you wet them. i do that the old fashioned way, with my ready supply of electrolyte enriched water...

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gbee:

I think firefox just crashed on me, turned my back for 1 minute ...

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sphery:

Gav8in: It's what plants crave!

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laga:

sphery: first movie i ever saw in hd. awesome

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sphery:

great show

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** j-rod just got a spare lappy to hack on... and its better than my own. damn. **

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gbee:

I might just have to see if we can add last.fm support to mythmusic, I've been visiting the site for a while now as a way to sample tracks in full before buying (elsewhere) but today I decided to give the radio feature a try ... already discovered three new bands

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sphery:

just got to make sure that we keep anyone from adding recording support

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kormoc:

gbee: last.fm is nice, thesixtyone.com is also quite nice for really new bands

[21:02:07]

sphery:

Woah!!!

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AndyCap:

no recording support in a recording app? Teh irony

[21:02:56]

sphery:

last.fm finally updated their ToS after I sent them an e-mail about how it was completely wrong: http://www.last.fm/legal/terms#para3 was missing the "do not" in item iv.

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sphery:

They were prviously requiring that all users "copy or seek to copy or "rip" any audio and/or audiovisual content from the Website or any part of the Service (including, without limitation, the Last.fm widget);"

[21:03:45]

Gav8in:

wow, that's awesome that they're require that

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Gav8in:

very liberal

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gbee:

I was getting into a rut and struggling to find something I wanted to spend my emusic credits on – their tailored recommendations have been getting steadily more depressing and I need something more upbeat on these wet summer days

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sphery:

Glad they updated it--now I can quote it on mythtv-users list without starting the "Well, it seems to me that we /have/ to steal it, so I'm just following the rules," discussion that would inevitably follow

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Gav8in:

heh

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AndyCap:

on a related note. does mythtv support CGMS-A?

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dustybin:

i have been trying to setup asterisk for the last few hours, and have only just realised what the problem is

[21:23:16]

dustybin:

mythfrontend was holding up port 5060!!!!!!!!!

[21:23:31]

dustybin:

arghghghghghghghg

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Had to do some testing in mythfrontend, so I switched to Graphite, today. It's nice, but I think my Planet Earth episodes aren't as good as yours. http://misc.thirdcontact.com/Planet_Earth_in_Graphite.png

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dustybin:

why the hell is mythfrontend using port 5070

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dustybin:

*5060

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sphery:

liveMedia

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sphery:

http://www.live555.com/liveMedia/

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iamlindoro:

sphery, you're right, and your subtitles are all wrong (yes, yes, I know, different PE)

[21:25:51]

sphery:

heh

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sphery:

I get the "Poor-man's Planet Earth"

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gbee:

heh, confused me for a moment

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gbee:

I've only got three eps, need to wait for them to come around again on BBC HD

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AndyCap:

dustybin: because you installed the plugin for it.

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dustybin:

ohh

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dustybin:

not mythphone?

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dustybin:

eeeek

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AndyCap:

well, duh.

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dustybin:

double eek

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sphery:

gbee: yeah, this one is a 1980's production (made for schools?) that was aired by my local community-college's channel

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kormoc:

dustybin: language...

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dustybin:

'eek' is not a swear word?

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AndyCap:

kormoc: this is why should punish the dog immediatly.

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dustybin:

:(

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dustybin:

if you guys think mythtv is complicated, try and get your head around asterisk..

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AndyCap:

(^*^) no problem.

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AndyCap:

(^MythTV^) now this hurts a bit.

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AndyCap:

(^Windows XP media center Edition^) this I can't do

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sphery:

Anyone on trunk tried editing a recording and hitting PgUp/PgDown when in edit mode?

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wagnerrp:

janneg: in order to figure out how to broadcast DVB using the DAC on a graphics card, you are a genius hacker and completely nuts

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wagnerrp:

aka.... crackpot

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Gav8in:

lots and lots of "Waited too long for video out to pause" . Bad? Good?

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Gav8in:

hrm.

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Gav8in:

roughly every 1.5 seconds

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, RDV_Linux, does -MW also assume -M or do I need to cron both?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Ionly cron the -MW

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iamlindoro:

er I only

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iamlindoro:

Which I realize doesn't answer your question :)

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iamlindoro:

but I only use Jamu for recording artwork download, so I don't actaully know what -M would do

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wagnerrp:

looking to add metadata download back to mythweb?

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nighthawk_:

anyone know of a script that will retrieve missing s#e# for files that only have the title in the name?

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gbee:

title, or subtitle aka episode name?

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gbee:

mythvideo in 0.22 will do a subtitle search, though whether that works if you only have the subtitle ...

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nighthawk_:

yeah, episode name... I want to bulk renames.. RDV put me in the right direction to write it

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nighthawk_:

but if you happen to know of an already existing bulk rename script that handles this, would save some time :)

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gbee:

not rename, no

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gbee:

thought you meant import :)

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gbee:

/ metadata retrieval

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nighthawk_:

well, this is step 1

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nighthawk_:

bulk rename the files, so jamu will handle the rest of auto importing

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kormoc:

the next two weeks are 98% full of scheduled recordings, woo

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: You need the -M option with -MW. The -M option designates MythTV related functionality the additional (-F, -W, -I, -G) is used to identify the specific function you want acting upon the MythTV databases.

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kormoc:

RDV_Linux: okay, so is there a -A (all) or similar?

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: No as some of the functionality is either redundant or exclusive. What do you want to do? I will tell you what options to use.

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kormoc:

RDV_Linux: well, basically, I was hoping for one cron line that will update the mythvideo stuff and the recorded tv stuff

[23:02:13]

RDV_Linux:

kormoc: Right now you would need two cron jobs (-M and -MW). It was set up that way as those jobs are usually run at different frequency. I run -M (maintenance) every second day and -MW everyday. The data on TVDB and TMDB do not change frequently enough to justify a maintenance run every night.

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kormoc:

fair 'nuff

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: It may be possible to have two jobs on one cron command line or at least I think you can.

[23:04:41]

kormoc:

yeah, with &&

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: See you have it all:)

[23:05:38]

kormoc:

Heh, more was just making sure I didn't miss anything :)

[23:05:58]

RDV_Linux:

np

[23:07:34]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: ooh, perhaps you'd know. The HDPVR's top chunk, where the blingly light comes from, that's not a air intake is it?

[23:07:51]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, pretty sure the air intakes are on the bottom

[23:07:55]

kormoc:

slick

[23:08:15]

kormoc:

I covered it in some foil and it got extremely hot, wanted to make sure I wasn't blocking soemthing

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** iamlindoro wonders why kormoc is making clothes for his HD-PVR ;) **

[23:09:01]

kormoc:

Hehe, it keeps the birds up at night :)

[23:09:01]

iamlindoro:

is it so the government can't monitor what you watch?

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: I black electrical taped my HDPVR bling lights off. If you are careful it does not show at all.

[23:09:10]

kormoc:

ooh, good thought

[23:09:38]

iamlindoro:

I let my bling lights shine like the sun

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RDV_Linux:

kormoc: Just over a year now and no problems

[23:09:46]

iamlindoro:

in the closet that they live in

[23:09:52]

kormoc:

snazzy

[23:10:15]

kormoc:

I used the foil when around 3 am, they decided to make a point about not being able to sleep

[23:10:31]

iamlindoro:

making up for lost time recording?

[23:10:33]

RDV_Linux:

kormoc: I even did all but the record light on the front as well.

[23:10:50]

kormoc:

iamlindoro: for sure

[23:11:13]

iamlindoro:

I'm just now catching up on two seasons of True Blood

[23:11:35]

iamlindoro:

I'm torn between the copsiou nudity of Anna Paquin versus the tooth gap of Anna Paquin

[23:11:39]

iamlindoro:

er copious

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kormoc:

in 20 days, my drive will be full of tv again, woo!

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\malex\:

is there a longer list of mythtv somewhat-dedicated frontend hardware than the choosing frontend hardware list on the mythtv wiki? is there anything besides appletv and mediamvp?

[23:12:10]

iamlindoro:

better get watching then!

[23:12:37]

kormoc:

\malex\: there's the mac mini! ;)

[23:12:58]

\malex\:

kormoc: well, besides the normal computers too :)

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kormoc:

iamlindoro: heh, my bro and his wife are out for the next 3 weeks, it'll be stacked up before I get too much time

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kormoc:

could be time to get a imac for the bedroom's FE...

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\malex\:

imacs don't have wallmount options

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kormoc:

nor does my bedroom wall

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\malex\:

well, that's compatible then

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nighthawk_:

I suck at regex, whats the string to modify s##x## to s##e## and keep the numbers intact?

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CoreDump|home:

sed "s/x/e" ?

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nighthawk_:

that would replace any x with the e though

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nighthawk_:

I only want it if it is within a episode tag

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CoreDump|home:

ah

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kormoc:

depends on the regex lib you are using and the frontend to that lib

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nighthawk_:

perl

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kormoc:

(posix, eposix, perl) (sed, perl, etc)

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gbee:

s/\d(x)\d/\1/

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gbee:

err that's completely wrong

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gbee:

_completely_

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gbee:

s/(\d))x(\d+)/\1e\2/ would be closer

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nighthawk_:

yeah... I can get it to match, but the replacement value

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gbee:

without the mis-matching brackets

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paperclip:

hello.. newb here.. is there any advantage to mythbuntu over installing ubuntu server then using packages from the avenard.com repo?

[23:38:03]

gbee:

guess I'm just too tired ;)

[23:38:07]

wagnerrp:

you have a bunch of people checking for stability, instead of one guy

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paperclip:

wagnerrp: that's for me?

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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nighthawk_:

awesome gbee, that does it :)

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nighthawk_:

now I need to re-read the regex docs to understand why

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paperclip:

being bootable is the only thing I can think would be all that great.. mostly for testing at this point..

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gbee:

paperclip: yes, install mythbuntu – comes with a whole bunch of configuration done for you and tools to simplify setup

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wagnerrp:

and i imagine jya is about done with maintenance on his repo, considering the imminence of 0.22

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paperclip:

gbee: alrighty.. does mythbuntu support installing to usb thumb drives? wanna start there and move to HD later..

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wagnerrp:

if it shows up as a hard drive on boot, i dont see how it wouldnt

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wagnerrp:

aside from maybe needing a special boot loader

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gbee:

nighthawk_: \d matches digit characters 0–9, + means match one or more, the brackets () mean assign this portion of the match to a variable which are named from 1, \1 & \2 are those variables which in this case are given the season and episode numbers respectively

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paperclip:

well.. I mean similarly to the way ubuntu can install itself to a thumb drive with a partition for persistent storage

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wagnerrp:

anyway... if youre worried about it, ubuntu+mythtv is identical to mythbuntu, plus a bit of unneeded programs

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paperclip:

ok..

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kormoc:

although, keep in mind, the lack of a hard drive makes myth fairly worthless

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wagnerrp:

heh... didnt even think about that one

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wagnerrp:

then again, i still dont have boot drives on most of my myth machines (including one BE)

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paperclip:

I'm only trying to get the hardware straight.. and make sure my tuner works fine..

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wagnerrp:

what is the tuner?

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paperclip:

eventually going to make my HTPC a front end..

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kormoc:

you won't be able to even test the tuner in myth without a hard drive

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paperclip:

hdhomerun

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wagnerrp:

they it works fine

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wagnerrp:

then

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paperclip:

ahh... ringbuffer is on the HD?

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kormoc:

yes

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wagnerrp:

sorta

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paperclip:

hmm..

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wagnerrp:

there is no more ringbuffer

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wagnerrp:

livetv is a recording

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: there's the HD ringbuffer... it's not dead (yet) sadly

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paperclip:

i thought folks were booting from mythbuntu cds

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kormoc:

unless I'm out of date?

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wagnerrp:

the whole show, start to finish, goes to the hard drive

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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paperclip:

and had diskless frontends

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kormoc:

paperclip: aye, but they have a disk-full backend to go with the disk-less frontend

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wagnerrp:

that certainly seems wasteful

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gbee:

paperclip: diskless frontends, not diskless backends

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: least, the setting's still there

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wagnerrp:

if youre going to have a CD drive and a disk... why not just buy a cheap hard drive

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paperclip:

well.. hmm.. guess i'll upgrade the server then..

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wagnerrp:

or a CF card and adapter

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wagnerrp:

or USB stick

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wagnerrp:

or netboot

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paperclip:

any of those is fine..

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kormoc:

or a pile of 2 tb western digital blacks in a 2u 24 drive monster

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paperclip:

once i stick these four 1.5tb drives in my server i'll have 4 spare 80gb drives

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wagnerrp:

using a drive and a CD just seems like the absolute worst idea for running a machine for any length of time

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paperclip:

just need to back up most of the 80gb somewhere

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: 2U 24 drives?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: yeah

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wagnerrp:

pics or GTFO...

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kormoc:

one sec

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wagnerrp:

maybe a name? i can search

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paperclip:

did you see the 67tb 4u box on engadget today?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: http://www.siliconmechanics.com/i23695/storage-server.php

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wagnerrp:

ah... lies

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wagnerrp:

those are 2.5" drives

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

never noticed that

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kormoc:

there goes my lottery purchase

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wagnerrp:

heh

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wagnerrp:

anyway paperclip, you can get 96TB into a 4U

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paperclip:

oh

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paperclip:

these guys used 27 1.5tb drives

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kormoc:

that's not 67 tb

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wagnerrp:

the Sun 'thumper' vacuum cleaners store four rows of twelve wide hard drives, vertically, in a 4U chassis

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wagnerrp:

along with a dual processor opteron server

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kormoc:

paperclip: that's only 40.5 tb

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paperclip:

hmm

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paperclip:

lemme find the article

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kormoc:

to get 67 tb from 27 drives, you're stuck with 2.48t per drive

[23:51:42]

paperclip:

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/09/01/open-design-for-a-67.html

[23:51:56]

paperclip:

they have 9 backplanes..

[23:52:03]

paperclip:

i was thinking 3 drives per..

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that looks like a ripoff of the thumper systems

[23:52:31]

paperclip:

there are 5

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kormoc:

45 drives

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wagnerrp:

http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001233.html

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paperclip:

kormoc: yes.. that's 9x5 :P

[23:54:11]

paperclip:

mythbuntu torrent is pretty healthy..

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wagnerrp:

the Sun ones im referring to are 4x12

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

the sun has a free 60 day demo

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paperclip:

either way.. I was marveling at the thought of having 4.5tb available in my raid

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** kormoc ponders what he could do with 96 tb for 60 days **

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wagnerrp:

the image on that page looks more like 15x3

[23:56:55]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Download about a third of the porn uploaded to Usenet

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wagnerrp:

i guess those are bare drives in that case?

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gbee:

wagnerrp: if you squint?

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wagnerrp:

thats how they get the extra 3 as compared to the X4500s

[23:57:38]

wagnerrp:

gbee: i counted off the stickers

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paperclip:

so.. what does a diskless myth frontend do about live tv?

[23:58:30]

wagnerrp:

same thing a frontend with a disk does

[23:58:34]

wagnerrp:

try to take over the world

[23:58:38]

paperclip:

word

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paperclip:

ok.. how does this sound..

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kormoc:

paperclip: all frontends stream the tv from the backend, live or recorded

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wagnerrp:

seriously... all the data gets pulled over the transfer socket from the backend

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paperclip:

mythbuntu backend running in a headless virtualbox on my server...

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wagnerrp:

not going to work

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paperclip:

why not?

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wagnerrp:

too much overhead, and no hardware acceleration

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