Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Monday, August 31st, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

I'm doing my part

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sphery:

er, maybe not--DVR and all

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kormoc:

it's confusing

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kormoc:

The more I watch, the more confused I get

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sphery:

even if it's confusing, I'll bet their holodeck doesn't defile people

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sphery:

Wow... Virtuality was really a bit too much.

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kormoc:

heh

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sphery:

I hope Gravity is better.

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iamlindoro:

I think DG is very good

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iamlindoro:

therefore, it must be destroyed

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wagnerrp:

i mean they could have easily raveled that into more more aspect of those show, an increased sense of detachment and loneliness as the communication lag increased

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wagnerrp:

s/more more/one more/

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wagnerrp:

speaking of communication lag... 3 minutes from me speaking until i discovered my modem had crapped out....

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wagnerrp:

good thing for very long IRC timeouts

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iamlindoro:

When does "V" start?

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sphery:

1985?

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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sphery:

1984--had to guess for the joke

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wagnerrp:

3, looks like

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kormoc:

in the year three thousand?

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sphery:

oh, Frye can watch it

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wagnerrp is now known as La_Bomba

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La_Bomba:

in the year three thousand

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La_Bomba is now known as wagnerrp

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iamlindoro:

November, apparently

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sphery:

can't tell wagnerrp that the miniseries was 1983, but the series was 1984

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sphery:

I was looking but couldn't find the new on

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sphery:

one

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iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(2009_TV_series)

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wagnerrp:

why cant you tell me?

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sphery:

you were gone

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sphery:

oh, la bomba...

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sphery:

I thought it was more modem problems

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wagnerrp:

'la bamba'... the trumpet player on Conan... says 'In the year three thousand' when they do their future predictions skit

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Dibblah:

Oooh. I wonder if it'll have rat eating?

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sphery:

ahhh

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wagnerrp:

formerly, 'In the year two thousand'

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sphery:

I don't watch Conan

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wagnerrp:

which they were still doing up until a couple months ago

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sphery:

did he take that to the tonight show?

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sphery:

guess so

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wagnerrp:

they switched to '3000' when he started on the tonight show

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wagnerrp:

of course now we get Leno taking up an hour of primetime every night

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iamlindoro:

grrrrrrrrrrrrr

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sphery:

and only half a season of chuck and heroes each

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wagnerrp:

why half? theres no strike to blame it on this time...

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sphery:

gotta make room for all the other good programming--and an hour of leno every night

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iamlindoro:

There are a couple coming up that I might like-- flash forward might be good

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sphery:

FF sounds cool

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** wagnerrp seems to have dropped offline again **

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sphery:

if done right it might be good

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wagnerrp:

you mean like... surreality TV shows?

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sphery:

no, we're just ingoring you

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** sphery hates reality tv **

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no... i had to reboot the modem again, and was watching the chat progress on beirdo, while i was waiting for my irc client to sync

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sphery:

Heathers (the movie) being made into a TV series for Fox?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: ahhh

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wagnerrp:

seems joel gretsch is doing another weird alien-based TV show

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wagnerrp:

the 4400 just got... weird

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wagnerrp:

i never saw taken

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** wagnerrp needs to replace his damn modem **

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wagnerrp:

three times now in so many minutes

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wagnerrp:

and its on my end... a reboot fixes it, while a retraining doesnt

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wagnerrp:

oh such a trade off

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wagnerrp:

replacing my current modem that i have to log into and reboot... for one on which i cant

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: why dont they replace it for you

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wagnerrp:

seem the above reason

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drenyx:

like how (a few years ago) I realized the linksys WRT54G I bought was a piece of crap?

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wagnerrp:

i would have to replace my nice, but old and failing cisco with a crap-ass Westel POS

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wagnerrp:

besides, theyre probably going to upgrade my service and force a switch to a new modem here in a couple months

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wagnerrp:

the original WRTs were fairly decent

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wagnerrp:

they just learned how to run the software on cheaper and cheaper hardware

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CoreDump|home:

Mine are rock stable

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: cable or fios an option?

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wagnerrp:

dont wanna, and no

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wagnerrp:

the phone co has been good to me for the last decade

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wagnerrp:

until very recently, the cableco internet around here has been crap

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i felt the same way when i had dsl

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Shadow__X:

but i just wanted some moar speed

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wagnerrp:

im happy with the speed i get, im far more than happy with the latency and multiple IPs i get

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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sphery:

hmmm

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wagnerrp:

hey.... Udo is back!

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sphery:

Futurama Into the Wild Green Yonder is on Comedy tonight at 9 pm

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sphery:

"4 parter" for TV

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sphery:

(from the feature length movie)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, noticed that myself

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wagnerrp:

of course if your mythtv is consuming memory at 50MB/min... how do you run it for 45days to hit a segfault

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wagnerrp:

i mean that is astounding

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wagnerrp:

i mean youre into multiple TB at that point

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sphery:

You don't have 3TB of RAM?

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wagnerrp:

nearing 4 at that point

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sphery:

I thought that was a minimum requirement for Myth?

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Shadow__X:

i have a meak 2gb

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Shadow__X:

i guess i fail

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wagnerrp:

meek? ive only got one machine surpassing that

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sphery:

one of my backends has 512MB and the other 1GB

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wagnerrp:

of course anyone buying a computer anymore with <2GB of memory is just being excessively cheap

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Shadow__X:

sphery: are they hd capable

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

but dedicated backends

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wagnerrp:

i think i paid $20 for the 2GB in my current be/fe combo

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Shadow__X:

ah ok

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sphery:

the 512MB one pages when flagging

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drenyx:

wagnerrp: my motherboard only supported 1G of memory

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drenyx:

but it was very cheap...and small

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wagnerrp:

drenyx: is it new?

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wagnerrp:

or even new as of the last 6 months?

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drenyx:

$60 for itx motherboard with via c7 embedded cpu

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jedi_stannis:

any advice on case/mother board/power supply/cpu to buy for a new mythbox?

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wagnerrp:

so no

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drenyx:

I got mine about 6 months ago

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drenyx:

but no, it's not a standard build

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but they dont actually produce C7 machines anymore do they?

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Shadow__X:

jedi_stannis: core i7 extreme 1k psu 790imb with 3 gtx 295's

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Shadow__X:

that should be enough

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drenyx:

via C7 chips are in the *itx bords

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Dibblah:

Not all of them, no.

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drenyx:

I'm hoping to use mythtv for a front end for playback of movies and such if nothing else

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drenyx:

Dibblah, I didn't say *itx boards have via c7 chips, but via c7 chips are in *itx boards

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jedi_stannis:

shadow__X: thanks, i'll look into that

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Shadow__X:

jedi_stannis: sorry i was kidding that was a gross over estimate as to what mythtv needs

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wagnerrp:

jedi_stannis: dont skimp on the power supply, buy a name brand... get something 80+ rated, and ideally spend at least $20/100W

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Shadow__X:

jedi_stannis: it all depends on what your source of tv is and if you are going to do hd or not

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wagnerrp:

understand that you dont need a lot of power, a base mythsystem can be run for <100W under load

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wagnerrp:

add on more power for hard drives and tuner cards

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wagnerrp:

get a micro-atx board, onboard nvidia graphics, amd or intel is your preference

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Dibblah:

Tuner cards for DVB-t/c are less than a watt each.

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Dibblah:

DVB-s is between 3 and 5 watts.

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wagnerrp:

the speed of the processor is dependent on what kind of media you want to play back

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wagnerrp:

if you need more tuner cards, or more hard drives than can be handled by a traditional microatx system, you should consider getting a separate backend, or running cables through a wall

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wagnerrp:

you probably dont want a full ATX system in your living room

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jedi_stannis:

prefer amd, wouldnt mind intel tho, prolly just one tuner, was thinking of one the hauppage hd cards. which one of those would you recomend?

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wagnerrp:

do you need analog?

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wagnerrp:

are you sure you only want one tuner?

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wagnerrp:

i regularly use two, sometimes more

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jedi_stannis:

hmm wanted to start basic and upgrade it if needed

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wagnerrp:

are you just going to use this for a single instance of livetv? or are you actually planning on recording things?

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wagnerrp:

if you actually want to record the shows and watch them later, its a good chance youre going to get some overlap

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jedi_stannis:

ok

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jedi_stannis:

what tuner cards would you recommend?

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wagnerrp:

which necessitates multiple tuners, or sometimes waiting to record at another time

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wagnerrp:

i would check the schedule and find out before you purchase hardware

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wagnerrp:

again... do you need analog (for cable)

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jedi_stannis:

so my current cable has a box and a digital signal going to the tv, is it possible to just use digital? or are there issues with that?

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Dagmar:

Tonight's Defying Gravity title: "Bacon"

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Dagmar:

:)

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wagnerrp:

digital cable is normally encrypted

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wagnerrp:

with a QAM tuner, you WILL get the local broadcast channels over cable, and thats usually about it

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wagnerrp:

sometimes you get lucky and get more

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wagnerrp:

go to silicondust.com, they maintain lineups searchable by ZIP code

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jedi_stannis:

ok, so i probably need analog

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drenyx:

sup dagmar ?

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Dagmar:

In a lot of regions, clearQAM is pretty useless.

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Dagmar:

LIke here, for example http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . ineup_613511

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Dagmar:

Oh lewk, I can get QVC

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wagnerrp:

you may also get channels like WGN and TBS

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Dagmar:

Yep. They're there.

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Dagmar:

Only the channels which are broadcast in the clear elsewhere are left unfouled

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wagnerrp:

stuff that you can otherwise get free on a big dish

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drenyx:

I think I've seen something before, but does mythtv use transcode at all?

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Dagmar:

At some point I'll lose my temper and go obtain some grey-market code, but I'll wait until Comcast forces me to

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wagnerrp:

drenyx: sorta

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jedi_stannis:

ok, so id go with analog. are hauppage cards still a good choice?

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drenyx:

sorta?

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wagnerrp:

the built in mythtv transcoder is capable of mjpeg and mpeg4asp

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wagnerrp:

most people will either leave things in mpeg2, or use something else to transcode to h264

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Dagmar:

it can be made to use transcode as a user-job

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Dagmar:

What it uses internally is ffmpeg code

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wagnerrp:

jedi_stannis: if you are going analog, you absolutely want to use hauppauge cards (or at least IVTV cards)

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wagnerrp:

the PVR-150 and 500 are the recommended

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wagnerrp:

single and dual tuners

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wagnerrp:

no longer produced, but you can get them on ebay, and occasionally elsewhere

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jedi_stannis:

what about the new hd ones?

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wagnerrp:

the 1600 is currently the only one that supports analog

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jedi_stannis:

yeah, i was looking at that one, leave the possibility of upgrading to hd. is it worth it or are the old ones much better supported?

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Shadow__X:

jedi_stannis: the hvr 1600 is supported

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Shadow__X:

just on reboot you have to open and close the analog side before you use it

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X, that is long since solved in the driver, and hasn't been necessary for some time

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: alright well then

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Shadow__X:

currently i just say no to anaog

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jedi_stannis:

thanks for the info everyone

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gizmobay:

Does the deinterlacing setting in playback effect how the video is written to the disk?

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wagnerrp:

no

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gizmobay:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: how is moving ttvdb.py to use the local images rather than the nyud cache going to help for heavy load times?

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wagnerrp:

or is it heavy load on the nyud cache servers?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, because it's nyud under load

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gizmobay:

I was getting bad recordings that couldn't be viewed through the watch recordings screen. This was on my PVR150. I set deinter to none and I've tested 10 recrdings in a row and all have been good. Trunk mythbuntu weekly builds

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wagnerrp:

ah, figured it would be the other way around

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Which has a tendency not to even resolve here when they're having a problem

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sphery:

gizmobay: no effect whatsoever on the recordings--only on playback

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sphery:

gizmobay: if you play the other recordings that had problems with an appropriate choice of deinterlacer, I'm sure they'll play fine

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gizmobay:

no couldn't get them to play at all. ran -v all and it said no codec for stream 0

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sphery:

gizmobay: my guess is you have either CPU+ (if you didn't change it) or some "manly" Playback Profile group chosen (i.e. Normal or High Quality or CPU++ or something because it /sounds/ like it's good)... You really want Slim.

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sphery:

Slim is good.

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sphery:

(even made a nice joke about Slim on the list, but it seems the number of female smokers on the list is small or something)

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Dagmar:

Or they're all wishing they could file a harassment claim against you and are trying to figure out how to do it

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gizmobay:

I have custom. ATSC uses vdpau and PVR150 uses ffmpeg and xvideo

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Dagmar:

Those are mutually exclusive

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sphery:

well, choose something like Kernel or Linear Blend for deinterlacer

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Dagmar:

If VDPAU is working you should probably be routing everything through ti

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Dagmar:

afaik

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sphery:

s/everything/everything it will play without locking up your machine/

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Dagmar:

hehe

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Dagmar:

Good point

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sphery:

or One Field deint

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sphery:

knew I was forgetting one of the 'easy' ones

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gizmobay:

I was using vdpau for everything beofre and someone said that was causing my bad recordings

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wagnerrp:

vdpau is for playback... again, wont make a bit of difference with recording

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Dagmar:

s/wont/cant/

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kormoc:

so who ever told you that was a id-10-T

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gizmobay:

I see

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wagnerrp:

VDPAU will not be happy playing back bad recordings, but it is incapable of causing them

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gizmobay:

I played the recordings in mplayer and it said something about turning the -ni switch on

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Dagmar:

Fascinating

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wagnerrp:

bah, Friday's Eureka was a recap episode

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wagnerrp:

they havent had one of those before have they?

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drenyx:

yes, the recap ep was very disappointing for me

[01:34:21]

Dagmar:

They haven't really been on the air long enough to do a recap before

[01:34:32]

drenyx:

true

[01:37:01]

drenyx:

then again I've seen some anime series that were WAY over done on the recap eps

[01:37:11]

drenyx:

prolly 2 per season

[01:38:25]

Shadow__X:

i dont think speak of anime is appropriate in this room

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drenyx:

eh, whynot?

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wagnerrp:

fansubs are a bit of a gray area in terms of legality

[01:39:23]

wagnerrp:

but who says you cant buy anime DVDs?

[01:39:32]

drenyx:

yes

[01:39:39]

wagnerrp:

or grab reruns on scifi channel, or cartoon network

[01:39:45]

drenyx:

I own many anime dvds licensed in the US

[01:39:59]

drenyx:

to the tune of a good $500 at least over the years

[01:40:29]

sphery:

heh, I just bought a TV DVD on amazon and they gave me $5 credit on their Amazon Video On Demand... Nice idea--if only they didn't require my using the Windows-only Amazon Unbox player.

[01:41:20]

sphery:

I still have BSG Razor in my Unbox downloads from when they gave me that for free after buying some DVD's.

[01:41:42]

sphery:

never been able to download or watch it, though since I don't have windows

[01:42:13]

wagnerrp:

i thought Razor was free anyway

[01:42:14]

sphery:

(OK, kind of have one machine that can boot windows, but I can't remember the last time I booted to windows)

[01:42:24]

sphery:

maybe that's how I got it

[01:42:32]

sphery:

Just know I have it in there and can't access it

[01:42:37]

wagnerrp:

i mean scifi channel released it for free online

[01:42:54]

sphery:

ohhh

[01:43:09]

sphery:

so the problem is I've been looking at the wrong one :)

[01:43:31]

sphery:

is that post season 4.5?

[01:43:41]

sphery:

haven't seen 4.0 or 4.5 and would like to watch it in order

[01:43:45]

wagnerrp:

dont know, never saw them

[01:44:03]

wagnerrp:

i think they were short 2-minute clips or something

[01:44:11]

iamlindoro:

Razor was aired between 4.0 and 4.5

[01:44:22]

iamlindoro:

but takes place chronologically before 4.0 begins

[01:44:29]

iamlindoro:

(and after the end of 3)

[01:44:51]

sphery:

I've seen through the end of 3

[01:44:54]

iamlindoro:

the razor minisodes are meant to be watched before Razor

[01:44:56]

sphery:

so maybe I should watch it next

[01:45:03]

sphery:

ahhh

[01:45:08]

iamlindoro:

So watch the Razor Minisodes (though they're not necessary)

[01:45:14]

sphery:

are the minisodes on the DVD?

[01:45:15]

iamlindoro:

then Razor, then 4-the end

[01:45:18]

sphery:

I have the DVD now

[01:45:23]

iamlindoro:

I think maybe yes?

[01:45:28]

** sphery hopes **

[01:45:39]

sphery:

(but doesn't feel like putting the DVD in to check)

[01:45:52]

sphery:

or even reading the box :)

[01:46:20]

iamlindoro:

Bet the internet knows

[01:46:27]

sphery:

ooh, yeah

[01:46:30]

sphery:

internet is here

[01:46:36]

sphery:

not in the other room 30' away

[01:47:46]

wagnerrp:

seems BB is doing the buy-one-get-half-off on PS3 games a week from now

[01:47:57]

elprespufferfish:

if only i knew any PS3 games to buy

[01:48:07]

sphery:

and buy-one-get-one on XB360 this week?

[01:48:40]

sphery:

iamlindoro: You're right... It knows: The DVD releases feature an extended cut of the movie and include extras such as the seven "webisodes" that were created to be screened online in the weeks prior to the movie's broadcast.

[01:48:44]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica:_Razor

[01:48:49]

iamlindoro:

Yay me!

[01:49:18]

iamlindoro:

Heh, according to ohloh, 11% of my code is comments

[01:49:37]

iamlindoro:

(and 1% of my XML is comments)

[01:49:39]

sphery:

mine's a lot less

[01:49:50]

sphery:

how up-to-date are they?

[01:50:11]

iamlindoro:

the 18th

[01:50:13]

iamlindoro:

er 28th

[01:50:47]

sphery:

heh, 0% of my XML is comments

[01:50:57]

sphery:

says I changed 371 lines of XML?

[01:51:44]

iamlindoro:

"Save or restore settings" XML change is one...

[01:51:53]

iamlindoro:

but that was just a few

[01:51:54]

sphery:

Ohhh... It's the "new" Manage Recording Rules screen (which is 99% the Recording Priorities screen)

[01:52:11]

sphery:

855 lines of perl changed

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iamlindoro:

ah, yeah

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sphery:

(backup/restore --though the scripts now total 2945 lines (but a lot of that is --help output and comments)

[01:54:03]

wagnerrp:

so heres the big question... will jack remember getting his memory wiped

[01:54:19]

iamlindoro:

Jack?

[01:54:21]

sphery:

All work and no play...

[01:54:26]

wagnerrp:

(Eureka)

[01:54:31]

iamlindoro:

Don't watch

[01:54:35]

kormoc:

He had his memory wiped?

[01:54:39]

wagnerrp:

jack is a dull boy when he doesnt have his memories

[01:54:43]

** kormoc loves Eureka **

[01:54:53]

wagnerrp:

yeah, like 4 years... all gone

[01:55:00]

kormoc:

when?

[01:55:06]

kormoc:

what episode?

[01:55:15]

kormoc:

cause the lest few certainly didn't have that

[01:55:17]

sphery:

what was that svn<something or other> web site that was more up-to-date than ohloh?

[01:55:20]

wagnerrp:

end of S1, beginning of S2

[01:56:08]

kormoc:

yeah, you're quite far behind, that all gets resolved

[01:56:27]

wagnerrp:

no, it just gets ignored for the next two seasons

[01:56:45]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I was looking for that one the other day

[01:56:49]

iamlindoro:

sphery, if you find it, let me know

[01:57:04]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I searched gossamer for "my friend set up" as the only phrase I could remember from that e-mail :)

[01:57:10]

wagnerrp:

no one notices that four years of life, the universe, everything is gone and repeated

[01:57:16]

sphery:

svnsearch.org

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kormoc:

oh that bit, yeah, well, it's resolved by the fact that history was repeated

[01:57:58]

sphery:

iamlindoro: http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/MYTHTV/search

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elprespufferfish:

huzzah. season 3 complete!

[01:58:54]

sphery:

I've got quite a ways to go before I make the top-11 commits list (that's how many are in the graph on the front page)

[02:00:32]

sphery:

seems I don't work on Sun or Tue

[02:00:36]

wagnerrp:

well at least they have two more episodes... they didnt try ending the season with that

[02:00:51]

wagnerrp:

of course that means theyre probably going to end on a cliffhanger instead

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wagnerrp:

when are companies going to understand that ending on a cliffhanger isnt going to change a damn thing....

[02:01:51]

wagnerrp:

the fans of the show are going to continue watching anyway

[02:02:00]

wagnerrp:

and people who arent fans dont care

[02:02:00]

iamlindoro:

sphery, http://svnsearch.org/svnsearch/repos/MYTHTV/s . . . ;to=20090831

[02:02:12]

iamlindoro:

sphery, See activity by author for the last 30 days ;)

[02:02:31]

wagnerrp:

and are likely going to either be put off that they dont get to see the end, or are going to forget all about it by the time the next season starts up

[02:02:34]

sphery:

wagnerrp: Yeah, my system is just starting to re-record the cliffhangers from last season. (I tend to mark them to allow re-record so I can get a quick timestretched reminder of where we were.)

[02:02:54]

sphery:

iamlindoro: nice

[02:03:00]

wagnerrp:

sphery: you mean its not just stored in your many thousands of recordings?

[02:03:08]

sphery:

though some of us go for quality, not quantity :)

[02:03:16]

iamlindoro:

:O

[02:03:16]

sphery:

wagnerrp: no, I watch and delete

[02:03:23]

wagnerrp:

ah

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sphery:

I don't keep anything

[02:03:35]

** iamlindoro reverts all his quantitative only commits **

[02:03:52]

sphery:

which means now you have nearly 2x as many commits ;)

[02:04:15]

wagnerrp:

did you just say all of his commits were crap?

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[02:04:26]

sphery:

not in those words

[02:04:33]

iamlindoro:

yes, think that's what he said

[02:04:46]

sphery:

hey, I /know/ some of your commits had good stuff in them

[02:04:59]

iamlindoro:

...

[02:05:05]

sphery:

at least some good regex's

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wagnerrp:

fantastic... i just lost sound

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sphery:

I hope he knows I was joking...

[02:05:54]

** wagnerrp 's whole network seems to be falling apart **

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sphery:

I'm guessing iamlindora is road runner based on his quit message

[02:07:13]

wagnerrp:

at least one good thing about windows... it has a sound server that actually works

[02:07:34]

sphery:

is it really a sound server?

[02:07:50]

sphery:

probably more of a low-level system mixer, right?

[02:08:03]

sphery:

i.e. no real "servering"

[02:08:06]

wagnerrp:

yeah, something like that

[02:08:21]

wagnerrp:

but the directshow outputs have now been abstracted away from the hardware

[02:08:32]

wagnerrp:

i plug my headphones into the front of my case

[02:08:47]

wagnerrp:

and output flips from the creative card, to the onboard HDA outputs

[02:08:54]

sphery:

nice

[02:08:55]

wagnerrp:

on exist applications

[02:08:59]

wagnerrp:

existing

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sphery:

and here I was all happy that on my laptop (GNU/Linux) plugging in my headset muted the built-in speakers

[02:09:50]

sphery:

iamlindoro: hope I didn't upset you... I really was just joking.

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iamlindoro:

ok, I understand

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wagnerrp:

sphery: although this may be something new with 7

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drenyx:

ok, so if I'm building mythtv for the interface but don't plan to do anything with a tv card yet, should I only build a front-end or build it all and just configure it later?

[02:13:58]

sphery:

gotta build it all

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sphery:

app wise

[02:14:25]

sphery:

but don't have to run mythbackend

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wagnerrp:

mythtv sans tuner cards is still an unsupported configuration

[02:14:33]

drenyx:

I meant from ./configure point

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iamlindoro:

building it all is non-optional

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sphery:

yeah, and I meant there's no way to configure to build just frontend

[02:15:29]

drenyx:

just shows yes and yes from frontend/backend

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wagnerrp:

yeah... it used to support independent building

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iamlindoro:

your other option is no to both

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** sphery guesses Gentoo **

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wagnerrp:

that was disabled some number of revisions ago

[02:16:07]

sphery:

actually, never /supported/ disabling either

[02:16:33]

wagnerrp:

'--disable-frontend' and '--disable-backend' are still kind-of in configure, and do not produce an error

[02:16:33]

sphery:

but there were switches put in to allow people to port it to platforms more easily (i.e work on half at a time)

[02:16:45]

wagnerrp:

but they are completely ignored and both are built anyway

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drenyx:

any other things I should make sure of from configure point of view?

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wagnerrp:

make sure the prefix is correct

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wagnerrp:

some distros usually install to /usr, others to /usr/local

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sphery:

right, they a) don't produce errors, b) output a warning, and c) do not change anything

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bjb1959:

anyone know why nuvexport is broken in jaunty and how to fix it?

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sphery:

likely uses a non-compatible version of ffmpeg

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sphery:

drenyx: and never specify cpu/tune/arch/march and always specify --enable-proc-opt

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bjb1959:

sphery, I have tried the ffmpeg and x264 from standard repos and compiling svn neither works. also tried with transcope and mencoder and neither of those work either

[02:19:25]

wagnerrp:

(gentoo uses cpu/tune/arch/march)

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sphery:

and I won't mention which distro is not a model for how to properly build mythtv...

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bjb1959:

If nuvexport won't work how do I use the built in transcode utility

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iamlindoro:

by reading and following the manual/instructions/wiki on the topic

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bjb1959:

any link off the top or just find it myself

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kormoc:

if nuvexport doesn't work, it's doubtful mythtranscode will work

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wagnerrp:

nuvexport uses ffmpeg directly, mythtranscode uses mythtv's repo

[02:25:43]

kormoc:

nuvexport uses mythtranscode + ffmpeg/mencoder

[02:25:57]

kormoc:

mythtranscode is a integral part of nuvexport

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wagnerrp:

the error someone posted in here a couple weeks ago was complaining about some command line flag to ffmpeg

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kormoc:

yeah, but you can always tell it to use mencoder

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wagnerrp:

fair enough...

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kormoc:

mythtranscode will only go into mpeg4 in a nuv container, fairly unuseful for the majorty of people

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bjb1959:

I tried mencoder and it didn't work. so is nuvexport/mythtranscode just broken in Jaunty? worked in intrepid

[02:31:15]

bjb1959:

I will take the silence as a yes. thanks for trying

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drenyx:

awesome, mythtv compile failed :>

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sphery:

my silence didn't mean anything about whether it's broken but more that I was on the phone and couldn't look up the link to the post where someone says that it's using the wrong command-line options for the version of <someprogram> on Jaunty

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iamlindoro:

My silence is uaully scornful disdain

[02:48:00]

iamlindoro:

er usually

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[03:00:14]

zim2411:

i just installed .21 with ubuntu 9.04 (fresh install), and when launching the backend setup, all i get is a black box

[03:00:19]

zim2411:

could anyone lend some insight? :\

[03:02:24]

[R]:

anyth8ing in the consoel output?

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wagnerrp:

try running with '-O ThemePainter=qt'

[03:03:43]

** wagnerrp wishes channels would rerun shows late at night **

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** wagnerrp isnt going to get to watch Bacon tonight **

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wagnerrp:

i guess that means freebsd is still broken for HDHR playback

[03:05:23]

wagnerrp:

it works fine when i dont have to change the channel

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wagnerrp:

but when i do change the channel, i get a couple seconds of video and then the feed stops

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zim2411:

ergh i'm having to switch keyboard+mouse between my two systems cause i can't get vnc to work...

[03:06:22]

zim2411:

it's throwing up x errors in the console

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wagnerrp:

are you running mythtv-setup over VNC?

[03:06:40]

zim2411:

nope, directly on the system

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wagnerrp:

well then still try that line

[03:07:05]

zim2411:

ok

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wagnerrp:

normally undrawn windows are a function of using the opengl painter on a system that does not properly support opengl

[03:08:35]

zim2411:

hmm

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zim2411:

same thing

[03:09:24]

zim2411:

i can kind of interact with the program, it changes when i hit escape

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Shadow__X:

would anyone recommend logitech z 5500

[03:11:27]

zim2411:

my roommate has them

[03:11:33]

zim2411:

they are alright

[03:11:41]

zim2411:

he wants to upgrade from them though

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wagnerrp:

ive got an older 550 or something

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wagnerrp:

fairly nice speakers for the price

[03:12:32]

Shadow__X:

i currently have logitech x 530's

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Shadow__X:

and they are good but i want better sound and beable to easily switch between inputs

[03:13:15]

wagnerrp:

what multiple inputs?

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elprespufferfish:

argh. i wish my wifi was fast enough to stream my dvd rips without skipping

[03:14:01]

Shadow__X:

the z5500 has 3 inputs

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zim2411:

do i need to grab any qt libraries or something?

[03:14:09]

Shadow__X:

or atleast it seems so with my eyes

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wagnerrp:

zim2411: your package manager should have done all that automatically

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Shadow__X:

elprespufferfish: wireless n?

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zim2411:

yeah i thought so...

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: ah... mine only has the one set of inputs

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elprespufferfish:

someday.

[03:14:36]

elprespufferfish:

when it's out of draft ;D

[03:16:00]

wagnerrp:

ah, Z560... thats the one i have

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Shadow__X:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121120

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zim2411:

so this is my video card's fault mostly? (or the drivers rather)

[03:16:47]

zim2411:

it's an integrated ati gpu

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xris:

new transmissions of planet earth are 5G vs 7G.. lame. guess I hang onto my originals until I can afford a blu ray player

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wagnerrp:

bit pricey for computer speakers

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wagnerrp:

at $350, it might be worthwhile to start piecing together your own custom set

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah? i have seen them down to around 250 level

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Shadow__X:

onsale of course

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zim2411:

i wouldn't buy those for $350

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i doubt that thing is really intended to switch between inputs

[03:20:09]

wagnerrp:

if you want multiple inputs for your speakers, it would probably be better to run them through the line-in on your sound card

[03:20:14]

wagnerrp:

or get some switchbox

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wagnerrp:

'set inputs'.... i suppose it can

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Shadow__X:

yeah the problem is i want atleast 2 sound sources hooked up to the same speakers so i dont need extra speakers for my fe on my desk

[03:23:02]

wagnerrp:

use your line-in

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: wouldnt it be better to get a better pair of speakers like those if i can get them around the 250 range

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zim2411:

do you think installing ati's drivers would help my problem wagnerrp?

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wagnerrp:

if you want new speakers, go for it.... the 530s are pretty weak

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wagnerrp:

zim2411: do you have an ATI card?

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: id bet those speakers can at most switch between the analog and digital inputs, if that

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wagnerrp:

i highly doubt it will let you use the three analog inputs independently

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zim2411:

yeah, it's an integrated ati card

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah i wasnt expecting it to switch between analog sources i iwas thinking between optical coax and analog

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Shadow__X:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_au . . . amp;cl=us,en

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Shadow__X:

apprently itll do the optical coax 6channel direct and analog stereo mini on the side

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wagnerrp:

zim2411: well then absolutely use the ATI drivers

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wagnerrp:

in nearly all cases, mythtv will not function properly without the manufacturer drivers

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zim2411:

lol

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zim2411:

yeah i'm just using it as a backend though so i figured i'd just stick with whatever ubuntu was using

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wagnerrp:

that is more related towards playback

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wagnerrp:

however you still need to be able to run mythtv-setup on the backend

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zim2411:

right

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wagnerrp:

and if you are running the opengl painter, that means having a driver with functional opengl

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wagnerrp:

which means a combination of using the ATI drivers and praying to the gods

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zim2411:

lol

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wagnerrp:

or... you switch to the qt painter

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zim2411:

ubuntu's visual effects were all working fine though so i figured opengl was working

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wagnerrp:

now this is the mythtv support channel, not the mythbuntu support channel

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wagnerrp:

so for all i know, mythbuntu's wrapper scripts could be squelching your '-O flag'

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea

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wagnerrp:

ive never used it

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zim2411:

yeah this was just a straight ubuntu install though

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wagnerrp:

try calling 'mythtv-setup.real -O ThemePainter=qt' and see what happens

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zim2411:

i've been wrestling with mythbuntu the past day and a half or so

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wagnerrp:

makes no difference

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zim2411:

ah

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wagnerrp:

mythbuntu just means you have a few fewer packages than a normal ubuntu+mythtv install

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wagnerrp:

it comes will all the same wrapper scripts and setup wizards/helpers/whatever

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zim2411:

ah

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wagnerrp:

for better or worse, they are effectively a fork of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

any of the core mythtv stuff, we can assist with

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wagnerrp:

but often, anything related to setup is just going to confuse someone who has never used mythbuntu

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wagnerrp:

im used to doing this all manually

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wagnerrp:

and then people come in here asking for help with something called 'mythcontrolcenter'

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zim2411:

heh

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sphery:

heh, tonight's Defying Gravity was kormoc's episode--Bacon

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wagnerrp:

yeah... and my HDHR let me down

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wagnerrp:

(see above ranting)

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sphery:

missed it?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i got about 10 seconds of the previous show

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sphery:

how's ABC's website for viewing?

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wagnerrp:

theres still some bugs with HDHR + FreeBSD

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wagnerrp:

dont know, never used it

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: time to switch?

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wagnerrp:

i can record just fine on freebsd

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sphery:

the CBS one is light-years ahead of Hulu

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sphery:

but I haven't tried the ABC one

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wagnerrp:

but when i change channels, i get a couple seconds of video before the feed drops out

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sphery:

I'd guess, though, that it's very Windows centric

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sphery:

(considering the whole ABC-Fox-Disney thing)

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wagnerrp:

Shadow__X: freebsd is my everything server and MBE

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wagnerrp:

i have been using my gentoo SBE to use my HDHR

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wagnerrp:

but every time theres a new driver sync, or a new firmware, i try moving the HDHR back over

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Shadow__X:

hmm

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Shadow__X:

and you get let down

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wagnerrp:

just means i need to move it back... or start digging through code

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Shadow__X:

both?

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wagnerrp:

what pisses me off is it used to work fine under -fixes

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wagnerrp:

or... considering i used it for all of about a week on -fixes before moving to trunk back in december, maybe i just never encountered this bug

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wagnerrp:

could go either way

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wagnerrp:

i still have my old -fixes database

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wagnerrp:

i could make a new sandbox for it, and give it a whirl

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wagnerrp:

or i could just lament, and not actually do anything about it

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wagnerrp:

huh... geese are flying south a bit early

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wagnerrp:

a flight just went over my house

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kormoc:

could be the end of the world too, they fly away from that

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sphery:

but the dolphins are still here...

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wagnerrp:

could just be the end of canada

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kormoc:

But are they all here? We all know that the bottle nosed dolphins are the retarded second cuz of the dolphin family

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kormoc:

the rest of them are way too smart to be fooled into doing jumps and backflips for some fish they can catch themselves

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elprespufferfish:

evilwm sure has been acting up lately :|

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kormoc:

with a name like that, kinda have to expect it, no?

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wagnerrp:

well now this is damn odd

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wagnerrp:

janneg updated mythtranscode for a new version of replex

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wagnerrp:

it broke compilation on freebsd, and got fixed

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wagnerrp:

now nothing new has changed, and there are again problems

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wagnerrp:

nothing changed in the code... something must have changed on my end

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wagnerrp:

but nothing changed on my end either

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** RyeBrye just thought of a new trick that others already probably have in their bag of tricks: " make distclean && `tail -n1 config.log` && make -j8" **

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Dagmar:

If that was in my bag of tricks I'd have a talk with the dry cleaners

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Dagmar:

It would not be a pleasant talk

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RyeBrye:

well, I suppose "svn up && make distclean && `tail -n1 config.log` && make -j8" would be even more of a one-line rebuild command for people who like to distclean each time

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Dagmar:

1. Wrapping the tail invocation in backticks is pointless

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Dagmar:

2. Make distclean wipes you previous ./configure invocation

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Dagmar:

3. -j8 is jackassery

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Dagmar:

-j (number of cores + 1) is what you use

[06:10:23]

Dagmar:

Anything higher than that and you will actually compile more slowly

[06:10:44]

Dagmar:

4. Invoking tail at all there is pointless.

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RyeBrye:

k

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RyeBrye:

so is distclean not usually needed?

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Dagmar:

You want distclean called between builds when the source code has changed.

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Dagmar:

It flushes all previously compiled or otherwise generated files

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RyeBrye:

right – so if I'm doing an svn up after a couple of weeks I should distclean – which like you said wipes out my ./configure – which tail brings back

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Dagmar:

...which keeps you from getting into trouble when binary blob a which is dependent on binary blob c bursts into flames because binary blob c wasn't rebuilt to reflect a change in the source code, or if tokens were removed from the configure script

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Dagmar:

Tail won'y bring back configure

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Dagmar:

Ever.

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Dagmar:

I don't even want to know where you got that idea

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RyeBrye:

tail -n1 config.log

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drenyx:

Dagmar: got a min?

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RyeBrye:

config.log contains the most recent configs you've run

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: Dude all that command does is print one line from config.log.

[06:13:36]

RyeBrye:

the last line being the most recent

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RyeBrye:

No shit – and wrapping it in backticks causes it to be executed

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Dagmar:

drenyx: Probably

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drenyx:

It was a while ago, but mythtv compile failed...so I moved on to something else for a bit out of frustration

[06:14:33]

Dagmar:

I guess it would work for that

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drenyx:

now I'm ready to figure out how to fix it

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Dagmar:

I just don't assume config.log is going to be there

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RyeBrye:

fair enough

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Dagmar:

drenyx: Do you have the output from make still?

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drenyx:

nah, I was gonna start the compile again in a sec

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RyeBrye:

for a virgin install it wont be there, but for the case I'm talking about (svn upping and needing to run distclean and rebuild the source) – it works like a charm...

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Dagmar:

My bad, RyeBrye... I guess theres a use for that. I didn't think it through enough there

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Dagmar:

But seriously, -j8 is not helping you if you've only got dual core. Use -j3

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RyeBrye:

Its ok :) I'm sure you're used to seeing plenty of batshit-crazy shit thrown at the wall in here :)

[06:16:21]

RyeBrye:

I've got quad core, so j5

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Dagmar:

You could probably go -j6 without issue, but it would be pushing it

[06:17:09]

RyeBrye:

I've also got heavy ccacche – and it seemed a tad faster with j8 but that might just be me wishing I was cool

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Dagmar:

It might eb worth using `time` to see

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Dagmar:

There's diminishing returns almost immediately once you go past n+1 for single and dual core

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drenyx:

Dagmar: any preferred options you use for configure ?

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Dagmar:

drenyx: Yeah one sec

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Dagmar:

./configure --prefix=/usr --cpu=$PKG_ARCH --enable-xvmc --disable-xvmc-opengl --disable-ccache --enable-ivtv --disable-distcc --enable-lirc --enable-mmx --with-bindings=perl,python --enable-opengl-vsync --disable-audio-arts --disable-audio-pulse

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Dagmar:

A few of those are defaults that I'm setting explicitly because I want the build to FAIL if something is missing

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drenyx:

got it

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Dagmar:

The xvmc and opengl hooks are literally the one safe combination of those

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drenyx:

safe? as in other ways usually fail?

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Dagmar:

...and the --cpu thing is there because basically, the code they're borrowing from ffmpeg (libavcodec) has some CPU tests which go completely bugf*ck insane if you specify that ANY other way

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Dagmar:

Yes

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Dagmar:

There's some xvmc features listed which are *not* for normal people, and at least one other shown by configure --help that frells up things too

[06:20:26]

drenyx:

for unichrome pro you mean?

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Dagmar:

Yeah that's one

[06:20:40]

drenyx:

that might be my problem then

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drenyx:

'cause that's what I have and I think I tried that

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Dagmar:

It took a WHILE to trace down what was going wrong with the optimizations

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Dagmar:

...and the bits the autoconf stuff for libavcodec uses to test were so hideously broken it was easier to just wait for a resynch and cross my fingers than it was to fix it

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drenyx:

also been trying to get transcode working again for dvdrip

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Dagmar:

You want the SVN

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drenyx:

svn ? for transcode or mythtv you mean?

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Dagmar:

er no wait the svn of ffmpeg

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drenyx:

I have svn of ffmpeg

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Dagmar:

Sorry I am flipping back and forth between this and another screen checking stuff

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Dagmar:

1.0.4 built fine here

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drenyx:

yeah, videosource.cpp include dvbtypes.h is where the compile errored

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Dagmar:

Looks like I last rebuilt it in like January 2008 tho

[06:23:27]

Dagmar:

You enabled dvb

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drenyx:

I can try to reconfigure without that unichrome pro like your options

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Dagmar:

Do you have a dvb card?

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drenyx:

I didn't enable it, configure might have

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drenyx:

but no, I don't

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Dagmar:

If you have a dvb tuner card you will need to install the dvb tools which are separate, and THEN that compile would have worked

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Dagmar:

You really don't want to go flipping on a lot of stuff you dont' recognize in that configure script. Heh

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drenyx:

I really didn't

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drenyx:

don't know why configure did it unless it's enabled by default

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Dagmar:

If you don't have a VIA video chipset you don't want to bother with unichrome

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drenyx:

I do have a via video chipset

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Dagmar:

Ah then you'd probably want unichrome

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drenyx:

well, output only

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drenyx:

I turned that on and someone else told me to --enable-proc-opt

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Dagmar:

I'm not sure that's necessary but it probably won't break anything

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drenyx:

and configure doesn't like your disable audio pulse option

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drenyx:

or am I using the wrong version of mythtv source?

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Dagmar:

Interesting. Which version are you compiling?

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drenyx:

0.21

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Dagmar:

Ahh...

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Dagmar:

Get 0.21-fixes from SVN

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Dagmar:

It's "stable"

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drenyx:

any chance you have the svn command?

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Dagmar:

No one will carp about you not using 0.21 from the tarball, and there's a crapload of fixes

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Dagmar:

One sec

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Dagmar:

er google mythtv svn iirc

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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Dagmar:

If you google "mythtv svn" the first hit is svn.mythtv.org

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Dagmar:

...which has the svn command you want right there at the top of the page

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drenyx:

yep, downloading

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drenyx:

so there's a disable-dvb option, should I just try that if that's where my error was for now?

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drenyx:

and this fixes download, that's the whole thing right not patches to the .21 source?

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Dagmar:

Just don't _enable_ the DVB stuff

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Dagmar:

I don't understand your last statement

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RyeBrye:

Dagmar: With a fully primed ccache, I'm seeing that make -j can be cranked WAY the hell up without any problems. like.. make -j16 was my fastest run with real time... -j16 = 0m32.316s -j8 = 0m33.202s -j5 = 0m35.439s ... -j1 = 1m49.503s ... -j32 = 0m32.726s

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Dagmar:

Oh wait, now I got it

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drenyx:

the svn is downloading the whole source with updates right not just the fixes ?

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: "fully primed ccache"

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RyeBrye:

But assuming my ccache wasn't fully primed – and the jobs had to actually DO something, 5 might work :)

[06:32:25]

RyeBrye:

Yeah, I know :)

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Dagmar:

Which somewhat requires you have already built the thing, right?

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RyeBrye:

I have a new version of ccache which has everything that can ever be compiled precached already ;)

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Dagmar:

drenyx: Around here for all intents and purposes the 0.21 tarball is dead

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drenyx:

just saying the way it's worded...

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Dagmar:

Bugs that get fixed go into 0.21-fixes almost as soon as they're commitable

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drenyx:

fixes is still the whole source, not just fixes

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Dagmar:

Oh yes

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Dagmar:

It also gets you the plugins and themes

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RyeBrye:

On my old P4 box even with a fully primed ccache I think it still takes on the order of several minutes

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drenyx:

sweet

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: If you were clever, that invocation would also eff your binaries thrice daily

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Dagmar:

I still can't believe he's got an NFS-mounted /

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RyeBrye:

ha :)

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drenyx:

you have nvidia card dagmar?

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Dagmar:

drenyx: yes.

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drenyx:

nod, it doesn't like that option for my system

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Dagmar:

Thankfully, you do NOT have to tell it anything special

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Dagmar:

Yes that would be one of the options that breaks the hell out of everything

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Dagmar:

The configure script figures out about XvMC and/or nVidia's version on it's own, every time, correctly.

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drenyx:

and I *didn't* tell it to turn dvb on and it says it's on from ./configure

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RyeBrye:

Dagmar: I noticed you aren't using --enable-proc-opt – does that not do much anymore?

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Dagmar:

Lots of people try to manually specify libXvMCNVIDIA and fail

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Dagmar:

RyeBrye: I am not certain but I think when I was last poking at that stuff, just --cpu kicked it on by default

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RyeBrye:

ah, ok

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RyeBrye:

probably does

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Dagmar:

I still have the entire make log from the build

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Dagmar:

It boils down to gcc -c -pipe -march=k8 -fomit-frame-pointer -O3 -pthread -Wall -Wno-switch -Wdisabled-optimization -Wpointer-arith -Wredundant-decls -Wno-pointer-sign -w -D_REENTRANT -DPIC -fPIC -DMMX -Di386 -D_GNU_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DHAVE_AV_CONFIG_H -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -I/usr/share/qt/mkspecs/default -I. -I.. -I../.. -o string.o string.c

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Dagmar:

...where we can see that it's done --march=k8 and -O3 so clearly something's kicked into gear

[06:38:03]

Dagmar:

At some point I'll just do the build both ways and diff the make output to see

[06:38:08]

Dagmar:

for now it's working fine tho

[06:38:25]

Dagmar:

I learned the hard way to move only ONE brick at a time

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drenyx:

ERROR: CPU specific ./configure options failed compile test

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drenyx:

Removing CPU specific compilation options. ( -march=)

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drenyx:

so configure says it fixed that or do I have to worry about it still?

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Dagmar:

Er no

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Dagmar:

It shouldn't be saying that

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Dagmar:

What did you specify for arch?

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drenyx:

I didn't

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Dagmar:

You did specify what for --cpu tho

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drenyx:

no...

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Dagmar:

You didn't specify --cpu either?

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RyeBrye:

--cpu=8088

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Dagmar:

Wow no

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Dagmar:

heh

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RyeBrye:

;)

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drenyx:

I thought it was m68k

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Dagmar:

I was more concerned with seeing it saying bad things like "CMOV is enabled: no" or "CMOV is fast: no" which would definitely be wrong for an AMD Athlon

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drenyx:

are there some system defaults slackware provides in the environment or something?

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Dagmar:

whaaaa

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Dagmar:

What kind of CPU do you have?

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drenyx:

via c7

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Dagmar:

Okay, well, that's NOT a mach CPU

[06:41:24]

Dagmar:

If you had an apple maybe

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Dagmar:

You want i586 I think

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Dagmar:

Lemme poke at the gcc info page a moment

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Dagmar:

Right...

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Dagmar:

So http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-4.4.1/gcc/i . . . 2d64-Options

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Dagmar:

It talks about -mtune and lists the various targets, which are the same targets for --cpu

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Dagmar:

There's no special listing for VIA C7 so you can probably use i686

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Dagmar:

I assume when you dump /proc/cpuinfo it shows cmov in the flags, right?

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Dagmar:

I think they learned their lesson with the C3

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Dagmar:

note, intel people may see fast cmov NOT be there and that's actually _correct_

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Dagmar:

Libavcodec has a different software way of doing that on Intel which is faster when it sees it

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Dagmar:

For AMD chips, CMOV is fast

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drenyx:

yes, cmov

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Dagmar:

Good

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Dagmar:

Yeah just pass --cpu=i686

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Dagmar:

It'll turn --enable-proc-opt on by side-effect

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drenyx:

that's the quietest I've ever seen configure run anyway

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drenyx:

compile hasn't crashed yet either

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** drenyx crosses fingers **

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drenyx:

hrmm...I did svn version of ffmpeg and transcode's configure doesn't like it

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drenyx:

or at least, it cant find what it's looking for

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Dagmar:

One sec

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Dagmar:

Wait. Lemme do this an easier way

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Dagmar:

There's two patches you'll need for that version of transcode

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Dagmar:

http://dagmar.droplinegnome.org/experimental/ . . . stuff.tar.gz

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Dagmar:

Grab that. Untar it "anywhere"

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Dagmar:

It's got two subdirs in it. SCRIPTS/transcode/build is the fragmentary config I build with

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Dagmar:

It'll have the configre invocation

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Dagmar:

SOURCES/transcode contains the two patches you'll want

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drenyx:

er, huh?

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Dagmar:

That tarball

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drenyx:

for transcode 1.1.0 ?

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Dagmar:

Er no for 1.0.4.

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Dagmar:

I didn't know a 1.1.0 was out

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drenyx:

I have 1.1.0

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Dagmar:

Hopefully those patches won't be needed then

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Dagmar:

You don't necessarily want to tell transcode to try to use ffmpeg

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drenyx:

ERROR: requirement failed: cannot compile ffmpeg/avformat.h

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drenyx:

ffmpeg/avformat.h can be found in the following packages:

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drenyx:

libavformat http://www.ffmpeg.org/

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drenyx:

that's what transcode's configure is giving me

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Dagmar:

Ah

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Dagmar:

I fixed that here

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Dagmar:

I think

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Dagmar:

One sec

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jya:

Anyone knows where to find simple test sample video with AC3, DTS, or AAC track with discrete channel, like stuff saying: front left, front right, center etc...

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Dagmar:

yes fixed by not telling transcode to bother with ffmpeg

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Dagmar:

jya: Googleing for test videos works

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Dagmar:

It just takes some digging

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jya:

i've been googling for one hour ...

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jya:

I have plenty of audio only track , but myth can't play those easily as it doesn't like anything wouthout video

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Dagmar:

drenyx: transcode doesn't need ffmpeg for anythign

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jya:

wouldn't ask here if it was a simple matter of googling!

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Dagmar:

drenyx: I take it you passed something to configure that told it to try to use it

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drenyx:

nope

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Dagmar:

Well, if it's any consolation the last time I went Googling for some it took about two hours for me

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drenyx:

I've taken to moving on for something else for a bit when I have problems

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Dagmar:

jya: Have you tried something as simple as "aac test video"

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jya:

i have samples with various audio codec, but as the aim is testing a channel ordering code , unless it's a track with discrete audio on each channel: it won't help me

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jya:

Dagmar: oh... thanks... I was googling "lemon pie recipe" for my AAC test ...

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drenyx:

found the answer though

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Dagmar:

I should have KNOWN there'd be a new transcode

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Dagmar:

I had to try more than twice to get it right back on Jan 4

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Dagmar:

So... of COURSE less than two weeks later they have a whole new version out

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drenyx:

hehe

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drenyx:

mythtv still compiling, which while taking long time is better than crashing

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Dagmar:

It'll get easier

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Dagmar:

I just run my build scripts

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laga:

ccache \o/

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Dagmar:

./build mythtv-svn

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Dagmar:

Much simpler

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drenyx:

Dagmar happen to have easy way for autologin to X ?

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drenyx:

so when I fire this thing up on a tv it goes all the way to mythtv?

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drenyx:

(assuming I can get it that far)

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laga:

drenyx: wiki.mythtv.org

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drenyx:

ok, so I *think* I have mythtv compiled/installed and mysql ready to go with it

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drenyx:

but mythtv won't connect to mysql for the database

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Dagmar:

All on one host?

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Dagmar:

The way you say thta makes me suspect you're expecting it to work just because you compiled and installed MythTV.

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Dagmar:

Consult the installation documentation

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Dagmar:

There's a couple steps you gotta do to create the database and the mythtv mysql user

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Dagmar:

You must also run mythtv-setup first

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drenyx:

yeah, I configured the database to accept the default mythtv user/pass

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drenyx:

I can connect to the mysql server with mysql -u mythtv -p mythtv

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drenyx:

er I guess should be

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drenyx:

mysql -u mythtv -pmythtv mythconverg

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drenyx:

wait...qmysql3 driver not loaded it says

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gbee:

missing the qt-mysql driver package

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drenyx:

seems to be

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Dagmar:

wtf

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Dagmar:

It *should* be there

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drenyx:

now that I look at it more, qt's ./configure shows it doesn't make sql drivers by default

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Dagmar:

Pfft.

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drenyx:

yeah

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drenyx:

that's what I'm saying now

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Dagmar:

It doesn't.

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gbee:

you built qt from source?

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laga:

"how i decided to be cool and got a borked mythtv install" – film at 11

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** laga hides **

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drenyx:

yes

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drenyx:

I'm seeing references there's a package that can be installed or is that just wrong and I need to recompile whole bitch?

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Dagmar:

You get to recompile

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gbee:

if you'd installed from packages, you could have just installed the mysql driver package, but having compiled from source ...

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drenyx:

from what packages?

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drenyx:

I did not know packages existed for me :P

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Dagmar:

Slackware 13.

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drenyx:

well, I needed to take a shower anyway

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drenyx:

seems like a good time

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Dagmar:

Just install qt3–3.3.8b-i486-opt1.txz from extra/kde3-compat

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Dagmar:

I didn't realize he still had that or I would have said something

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Dagmar:

I assumed you looked

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drenyx:

I looked in extra, didn't look in kde3-compat

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Dagmar:

Er nevermind those are just headers

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Dagmar:

Ah nevermind it's a full package

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Dagmar:

It's been awhile since I've used packages.slackware to look up something

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Dagmar:

It should make the mysql problem go away

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_ben:

Hm, say you have three monitors – how would you go about 'sticking' mythfrontend on one monitor?

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Dagmar:

devilspie

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Dagmar:

...or just tell it to spawn there

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** _ben looks at devilspie **

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drenyx:

well, it seems even if I install that, it puts it in a place kde is looking for it, not where mythtv is now looking for it after I had compiled mythtv

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drenyx:

I've been poking at this too long

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drenyx:

almost typed 'no' to the qt configure question for the license

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gbee:

_ben: it's under appearance settings, you can pick which monitor

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gbee:

and you'll need to set the aspect ratio, since we can no-longer work it out automatically from the screen resolution, that's in the same place

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drenyx:

and now qt doesn't want to recompile :>

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gbee:

anyone know of an app which will monitor the bitrate of VB mp3s? I'm trying to get a feel for how these files have been encoded, most media players report the starting/average bitrates

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zim2411:

gbee foobar2000 on windows will update the bitrate every second

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gbee:

should have specified linux :) I don't have access to windows

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firestorm:

Howdy. Have a separate frontend and backend. Recordings and playback of recordings work well. The recordings are also CIFS network mounted to the frontend as a read-write share and mythfrontend user can write/delete manually from the share. However,within the mythfrontend when I try and delete a record it automatically re-appers in the list again. How can I ensure that mythfrontend does actually delete the recording?

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zim2411:

lol, thought so

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clever:

firestorm: mythfrontend doesnt delete the files

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clever:

it just tells the backend to do so

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firestorm:

clever: ok so i wonder why the backend doesn't delete it? is it a scheduled thing or is it supposed to be an instant thing?

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clever:

check the backend logs

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BoumBoum:

you not even honest cops and you try to do inquiries

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BoumBoum:

poor you

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gbee:

firestorm: use something instead of cifs? I really can't stress just how many problems cifs and samba cause

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gbee:

use nfs

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gbee:

time for BoumBoum's medicine

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BoumBoum:

yeah

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BoumBoum:

i will take a great medecine

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BoumBoum:

i will all fuck you in the garbage

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BoumBoum:

byebye

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BoumBoum:

garbage cops

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firestorm:

gbee: I find CIFS great ... that isn't the problem by the looks of things

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firestorm:

clever: i see the issue ... my recordings are going onto a vfat partition which is doing file ownerships based on the user that has mounted the partition (vfat obviously doesn't do permissions as granular as a unix partition) ... I think I'll be fine after reformatting it as ext3 and doing some chown / chgrp stuff

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clever:

firestorm: chown wont really work, since that gets lost fairly fast

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clever:

firestorm: mount /dev/something /somewhere -o uid=xxx

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clever:

using that, you can force every file to be owned by id # xxx

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firestorm:

clever: yes, where uid=mythtv I presume

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clever:

it may only work with numbers

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clever:

by properly editing /etc/fstab, it will always 'work' until you reformat it to something proper

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firestorm:

clever: whereas at the moment it is being mount -o uid=<my user> and as the partition is vfat it won't do anything clever around subsequent files etc

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firestorm:

clever: biting the bullet and reformatting it now to something proper

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gbee:

firestorm: well you are in the minority :) I've seen dozens of reported 'bugs' which are solely attributable to the use of cifs not to mention all the mailing list and IRC posts

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gbee:

actually, why are you mounting the recording directory on the frontend instead of streaming?

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firestorm:

gbee: what kind of things? i've found CIFS great for the past 3 or so years ... was a bit flakey before that .... much better than SMB and more firewall friendly and OS-agnostic than NFS

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firestorm:

gbee: because I don't always want to use mythfrontend to view ... sometimes I might want to use totem, xine or mplayer for varying reasons

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firestorm:

anyway thanks clever, gbee for the clues !

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BoumBoum:

fucking ass fuckers head shit

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dustybin:

^ intelligent

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wagnerrp:

should have seen him earlier

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wagnerrp:

he seems to have a penchant for going into IRC, spouting something completely random, and leaving

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wagnerrp:

ive found logs on him from a couple other channels

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BoumBoum:

gnag d'hostie de putains

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BoumBoum:

de corrompus

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j-rod:

yes folks, there are french-canadian trolls too

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gbee:

kline *!*@modemcable004.248-57-74.mc.videotron.ca

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tmkt:

morning

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tmkt:

yeah..they are annoying

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tmkt:

lets seperate from canada

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tmkt:

lets put gravy and cheese on our fries

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wagnerrp:

just start threatening them, theyll surrender

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tmkt:

lets have full contact strip clubs...

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tmkt:

la dee da

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tmkt:

3 job offers coming my way this week..

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tmkt:

good week

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BoumBoum:

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Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +o gbee

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BoumBoum:

toi aussi le crosseur de st-joseph

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tmkt:

coline de bine

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** gbee wonders why chanserv won't let him set the /msg ChanServ FLAGS #mythtv-users flag +b **

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** gbee wonders why chanserv won't let him set the kickban flag **

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gbee:

stupid auto-replace

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, re: the Sage implementation of the HD-PVR IR Blaster, by understanding from listening to janneg back then was that their patch was pretty broken

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iamlindoro:

er my understanding

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j-rod:

oh. hrm.

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iamlindoro:

though I could not tell you what was fundamentally wrong w/ it, I never looked

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iamlindoro:

Nothing stopping you from at least having a look :)

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j-rod:

"back then" was when?

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j-rod:

this thread has just a tiny suggested change from 7/21

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iamlindoro:

at least a full year ago

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iamlindoro:

ish

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j-rod:

ok

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j-rod:

receive at least should be fully functional tonight

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** iamlindoro has a second HD-PVR coming via UPS today, coincidentally **

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j-rod:

amusingly, if the system pulls data out of the buffer fast enough, you can get WAAAAAY more than just 8 repeats...

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** Shadow__X redirected iamlindoro's hd-pvr **

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Shadow__X:

:)

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wagnerrp:

you pick up one of the $150 Dells?

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wagnerrp:

or is this a repair?

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j-rod:

I managed to get like 486 repeats one time

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j-rod:

would have kept going, but I ctrl-c'd irw

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It's new, but not the dell deal

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iamlindoro:

I have mceusbs + firewire so I've thankfully not needed the HD-PVR IR

[14:23:26]

iamlindoro:

but I know a lot of people moving to .22 will want it, so it's perfect timing

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wagnerrp:

i really do wonder just what mythtv's install base is

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iamlindoro:

I would guess that our "hardcore" user base is in the thousands, that our casual user base is maybe somewhere upwards up ten thousand, and our "tried it and got insanely frustrated and went to WMC" is innumerable :)

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iamlindoro:

*Note: 47% of all statistics are made up out of thin air.

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mkrufky:

47% of *most* statistics

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mkrufky:

maybe i joined late, but i at least know that much :-P

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iamlindoro:

60% of the time, it works every time

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mkrufky:

pretty much exactly

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RyeBrye:

Hmm... so IR receive of HD-PVR might work tonight?

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** wagnerrp runs from the foul stench that is now emanating from iamlindoro **

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp just doesn't appreciate the bits of real panther like I do

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dustybin:

what is the hardest bug to solve out of this lot:

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dustybin:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/query?status=infon . . . lestone=0.22

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gbee:

iamlindoro: figures last year from SD alone were significantly higher than even your 'casual' figure

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gbee:

and that's just for the US/Canada

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Cool, glad to hear it

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iamlindoro:

It was just an idle guess anyway

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iamlindoro:

(ergo my joke afterwards)

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dustybin:

what does it mean when a bug is a 'blocker' ?

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iamlindoro:

dustybin, It means you cannot release without fixing it

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dustybin:

ok

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gbee:

plus SD represents a single seat, not the large scale installations at places like schools, universities etc

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gbee:

dustybin: unless we decide otherwise, we're fickle like that

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dustybin:

blockers and criticals are the important ones

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lyricnz:

how to make mythtvsetup work over "ssh -X"? With qt4 etc, it complains about "Xlib: extension "Generic Event Extension" missing on display "localhost:10.0". QGLContext::makeCurrent(): Cannot make invalid context current."

[14:32:01]

dustybin:

and major?

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gbee:

not necessarily, the severity/priority only gets changed if we remember to do so

[14:33:09]

gbee:

there are some segfaults there which would be automatic blockers

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j-rod:

RyeBrye: it was actually working reliably for me *last* night

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j-rod:

but I need to patch it up in a way that won't break other devices that use lirc_zilog

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** lyricnz googles. Finds "mythtvsetup -O ThemePainter=qt" <=== works for me **

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gbee:

lyricnz: which graphics card?

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gbee:

opengl is broken on your system

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lyricnz:

The problem is not my graphics card, but the fact that it's X over SSH

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gbee:

missed that, sorry

[14:34:59]

lyricnz:

Works fine on the box itself, maybe even from another linux box.

[14:35:17]

lyricnz:

Not sure about the latter, but workaround is fine.

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j-rod:

ugh. reading diff diffs makes me want to hurl.

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wagnerrp:

seems fox is going to start running 'tweet-peats'

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wagnerrp:

taining their reruns with twitter tickers, so DVR users cant use them to pick up episodes they missed

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wagnerrp:

free Wiis with select Samsung 1080p TVs..... seems a bit of a waste

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mike3:

So every time my computer comes up from a RTC wake mythtv tells it do shut the computer down right away and then sets the RTC clock again to wake up. This keeps happening over and over again. If I manually turn the computer on as soon as mythtv starts mythtv issues a RTC update and tells it to shutdown again. I can't figure out why it's doing this. Has anyone seen this?

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YangYin:

hey guys i know someone said that the PVR 150 card would be a good video capture card but is there a difference from the PVR 150 MCE and the regular PVR 150?

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j-rod:

YangYin: the "mce" one comes with a windows media center ed. transceiver and remote, iirc. The other does not. The actual pvr 150 should be functionally the same

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wagnerrp:

the MCE one has RCA audio inputs, the vanilla has a 1/8" stereo jack

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wagnerrp:

the vanilla comes with a hauppauge gray remote and transmitter

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YangYin:

eh im just gunna use it with mythtv as a dvr so no need for a remote

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YangYin:

didnt know if one was different from the other

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YangYin:

but thanks

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Dubstar_04:

is there any way to force mythweb into wap view when using a mobile browser?

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YangYin:

another question... should i get the pvr 150 that was assembeled in mylasia or sinagpore?

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YangYin:

which country assembles them better?

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sid3windr:

heh

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Hoxzer:

Interesting situation

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wagnerrp:

sphery: seems AMD is demoing a 6-core Opteron with a TDP of 40W

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wagnerrp:

of course its price is just shy of a grand

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nice...

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sphery:

yeah, but maybe that means the "tech" will roll down to consumer-level CPU's

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flohack1234598:

Hi! Can someone tell me where mythfilldatabase gets the configuration for xmltv from? I need to change my epgdata.com pin, but changing the .xmltv//tv_grab_eu_epgdata.conf in my home dir and /root did not help...

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sphery:

flohack1234598: ~/.mythtv/<something>.conf usually

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sphery:

where, IIRC, <something> is the name of your video source

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flohack1234598:

sphery: Thanks a lot, there it is!

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wagnerrp:

'congress is pushing the fcc to investigate the possibility of one single rating system spanning television, video games, and wireless telephones'

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wagnerrp:

....just what content is 'telephone' such that it would get rated?

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wagnerrp:

is that ratings for 900 numbers or something?

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AndyCap:

logos, videos, sexy ringtones?

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poodyp:

cellphone games?

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AndyCap:

or text messages from sex offenders?

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kormoc:

there's also SMS adult services

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AndyCap:

HI BB, W R U WEAR? XX

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kormoc:

It's about time! http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm . . . tid=10594014

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AndyCap:

did they have the important and follow-up flags too?

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sphery:

kormoc: but I think it's still legal to fire someone for using MS Comic Sans in an e-mail.

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kormoc:

Hehe

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matt2154:

Hi there, how do I go about blacklisting a channel? Myth keeps recording things on channels that I don't have.

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iamlindoro:

mark it as invisible

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iamlindoro:

in either the channel editor or mythweb

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sphery:

matt2154: or, better, take it out of your lineup and delete it from MythTV using the aforementioned mythtv-setup/MythWeb channel editor

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matt2154:

Searching...

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sphery:

xmltv or Schedules Direct?

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sphery:

(or EIT, I suppose)

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matt2154:

kay, I think I found the "visible" checkbox...

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j-rod:

kormoc: hahaha, that's awesome.

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sphery:

matt2154: why not take it out of your lineup? why waste the bandwidth downloading and resources processing the data for that channel if you don't get it?

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matt2154:

sphery: Like take it out of my line-up on Schedules Direct?

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sphery:

matt2154: exactly

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sphery:

matt2154: 08.31 14:54:06 <+sphery> matt2154: or, better, take it out of your lineup and delete it from MythTV using the aforementioned mythtv-setup/MythWeb channel editor

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sphery:

you need to take it out of your lineup and out of Myth

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matt2154:

sphery: I did, but it didnt seem to have any effect (even after re-running mythtv-setup). Now my trial period is over so I can screw around with that option any longer. I've now made all those channels invisible – and nothing seems to be scheduled to record on them anymore. Is that different than deleting them/

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sphery:

matt2154: yes, if you make them invisible, you still waste SD time processing the channel's listings, waste bandwidth downloading it, and waste your system's time processing it (on mythfilldatabase run and on every single scheduler run)

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sphery:

matt2154: if you mean removing it from your SD lineup had no effect that's because you didn't do the /and/ in my instructions... 08.31 15:15:21 <+sphery> you need to take it out of your lineup and out of Myth

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cityLights:

sphery: hi

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cityLights:

sphery: I read what guysoft publish in his blog regarding the dvb issue

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sphery:

matt2154: 08.31 15:15:12 <+sphery> matt2154: 08.31 14:54:06 <+sphery> matt2154: or, better, take it out of your lineup and delete it from MythTV using the aforementioned mythtv-setup/MythWeb channel editor

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cityLights:

sphery: did you get a chance to look in to the issue I told about? how may I opoen a bug for it? so it will be fixed by 0.22?

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sphery:

cityLights: didn't see the blog thing

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sphery:

cityLights: haven't looked into the data issue, yet

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cityLights:

hi np

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cityLights:

just pls help me to write this bug.

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sphery:

cityLights: So I don't know if it's actually a problem in trunk, yet... I recommend waiting until 0.22 is released and if you see the issue /then/ write up a ticket/bug report

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elprespufferfish:

huzzah! roommate agreed to cancel tv!

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elprespufferfish:

time to buy an ATSC tuner

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sphery:

cityLights: if it is a bug in 0.22, we'll get the fix into both trunk and 0.22-fixes

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matt2154:

sphery: OK, I'll look harder for a delete option (I would have assumed that doing a channel scan should delete channels that don't lock). Delete should be in the channel editor right?

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cityLights:

then I wont bug you as it appears in the bug list -)

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cityLights:

what metterial need I add?

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sphery:

matt2154: yes, DELETE keybinding (normally D)

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sphery:

just highlight the channel and hit D

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matt2154:

sphery: Cool, i'll do that...

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cityLights:

can you at least hint me what *could* be the cause?

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cityLights:

I mean do you adda special char at the end of a RTL string?

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sphery:

cityLights: I haven't forgotten the issue, it's just not high priority before the release because if it is a bug it only affects a small number of users... We're focusing on bugs that affect the largest number of users until the 0.22 release. After release, if you still see the problem after release, mention it to me and we can make a ticket.

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sphery:

still see th eproblem after upgrade, that is

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sphery:

cityLights: Not having looked into the code, I think it may be that we're not using a properly normalized form in some contexts...

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matt2154:

Is there another option other than SchedulesDirect for North American listings? It doesn't do 5-minute offset programs properly (there is one local showing that goes from 00:05 – 00:35)

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sphery:

if it's what I think, it will be an easy fix, but it will be time consuming to identify the areas that need fixing

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sphery:

matt2154: no other legal non-EIT sources (and EIT in the US is generally not useful). If you have listings issues, use the "Report a listings issue" button on Schedules Direct's website to let TMS know so they can fix the problem.

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sphery:

matt2154: I should so, "not really any," as there are a couple that exist for specific providers (I think there's a DirecTV grabber that hits DirecTV's website, but it's only useful (and legal) for DirecTV subscribers--and there may be others that are similar, details at XMLTV)

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cityLights:

so no more effort in to 0.21-fixes?

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iamlindoro:

no, no more

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sphery:

no

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sphery:

0.22 is close

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sphery:

cityLights: you'll likely be able to run 0.22-fixes by the end of Oct

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tmkt:

86% complete

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tmkt:

ah.so last week was the last 0.21 fixes?

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tmkt:

or was it the same as the previous week, the packages are still being built and released, just no fixes in them

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sphery:

we're just concentrating on trunk for the release

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dustybin:

will mythtv jump into v1.0 at some point?

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sphery:

we don't have a policy saying we will /not/ fix a major bug in 0.21-fixes, but we're not spending any effort trying to track down or fix those bugs or even test patches submitted against those bugs

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iamlindoro:

no

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wagnerrp:

apparently steel band music is hard to come by

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wagnerrp:

and my 'driving-lightly-because-im-a-tad-low-on-oil' seems to still be more aggressive than most people on the road

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wagnerrp:

people suck

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sphery:

And here I thought texting while driving was dangerous... I had no idea some people IRC while driving.

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cityLights:

iamlindoro: is there a member with the rights to apply patchs that worked on audio in myth?

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iamlindoro:

There are many people who can apply audio patches... but someone needs to write ones that don't suck and open a ticket w/ them attached

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cityLights:

I mean , I see that sphery handles mysql better then other stuff

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wagnerrp:

sphery: whats the risk? there are so many people on the road that seem to have an old woman in the back seat yelling at them to go slower

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** j-rod cues up some sammy hagar "I can't drive 55" **

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j-rod:

55. haha. jokes.

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iamlindoro:

cityLights: And I mean, I'm not going to start giving you names of people to bug-- if you have a patch, open a ticket and attach it

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cityLights:

so probably regular cotrib focous on spesific aspects of myth

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j-rod:

like spelling?

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j-rod:

:)

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cityLights:

so I ask, who's aspect is audio?

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iamlindoro:

cityLights: again, multiple people

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iamlindoro:

cityLights: But also again, you shouldn't be hitting up individuals if you don't have any work to show

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iamlindoro:

if you have a patch, open a ticket and attach it

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iamlindoro:

*then* you can ask if someone will look at it

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j-rod:

its really not all that hard to figure out from the commit logs who does what, but do what iamlindoro says

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sphery:

Starting now (if I did my time math right), 2TB Seagage Barracuda for $179.99 at newegg

[20:00:09]

sphery:

while supplies last

[20:00:11]

sphery:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148413

[20:00:46]

kormoc:

But sadly, no smart

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wagnerrp:

no smart? (S.M.A.R.T.?)

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sphery:

heh, they've screwed up

[20:01:55]

iamlindoro:

because Seagate doesn't support regular smart anyway

[20:02:00]

dustybin:

i have a idea for mythtv

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sphery:

e-mail said 10% off for $179.99, but the website says "0% off" for $199.99

[20:02:26]

sphery:

http://www.newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx

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sphery:

ahh... they're just about 2 1/2 mins slow

[20:02:44]

sphery:

now it's working

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dustybin:

if you are watching tv and something starts to record, how about displays what has just started to record on another tuner, maybe a little scrolly message

[20:03:09]

iamlindoro:

god save me from the idea men

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dustybin:

**tuner 2** is now recording eastenders

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: very easy to do with an external script and the 0.22 popup widget

[20:03:36]

dustybin:

ace

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wagnerrp:

speaking of which, is that into the code now?

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iamlindoro:

s/.22/.23/

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iamlindoro:

not even written

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wagnerrp:

ah... didnt make the cut

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** kormoc taps his foot waiting for WD Black 1.5tb+ drives **

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kormoc:

cause 1 tb drives are just not enough

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wagnerrp:

well dustybin, better get to work

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** dustybin taps his fingers waiting for WD Green 2tb drives to come down in price **

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: :D

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iamlindoro:

We may be in .22 feature freeze, but we're in *perpetual* dustybin patch freeze

[20:05:18]

kormoc:

actually

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kormoc:

you can do it now basically with mythosd and a shell script, no?

[20:05:35]

sphery:

kormoc is such a smart snob

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wagnerrp:

were freezing dustybin?

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kormoc:

sphery: really? Whatd I do now?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: so that future generations can "enjoy" him

[20:06:07]

wagnerrp:

it will be a great day for science

[20:06:12]

wagnerrp:

we should give him a hero award

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sphery:

kormoc: won't consider seagate drives because of the lack of standardized smart support :)

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dustybin:

i like the idea of bringing some kind of stats to live tv / watching recordings, video,etc, what tuners are recording is a good idea, maybe warning messages, like if your recordings dir is getting full

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kormoc:

Hehe, it's so true, that and the 18 RMA's of my 500 gb seagate before I finally ditched it

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sphery:

really, is it so bad to have to shut down your running server, stick a CD with a SeaTools boot disk in it, boot it up, and run a drive check regularly?

[20:07:07]

sphery:

I just don't get your concern.

[20:07:07]

kormoc:

although a fair number of those RMAs were from DOA rmas

[20:07:53]

dustybin:

***you have a new email** <-- imagine that scrolls across the screen whilst watching tv

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iamlindoro:

That sounds like the worst idea in the world

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dustybin:

:(

[20:08:21]

iamlindoro:

and I say that as someone who has read a joystick volume patch

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wagnerrp:

youve got mail! yay!

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sphery:

lol

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kormoc:

mythosd, shell script, enjoy your own personal hell ;)

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** wagnerrp dons his protective helmat and steps onto the shortbus **

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dustybin:

mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text="you have new email!"

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sphery:

What if you're watching a Tom Hanks/Meg Ryan movie and it scrolled, "You've got mail," across the screen?

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kormoc:

oh noes! Stalkers!

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dustybin:

mythtvosd --template=scroller --scroll_text="Your Myth Recordings Directory is 95% full"

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_ben:

thats what nagios is for :P

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sphery:

oooh... Or, it could just delete the least important recordings when the recordings directory(ies) fill...

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iamlindoro:

alias mythtvosd='rm -rf /'

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kormoc:

sphery: SACRILEGE! That type of thinking is what brings the thinking machines to kill us all!

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iamlindoro:

there, now do another one

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wagnerrp:

you know... i removed that RSS ticker on my PS3 about 20 seconds after upgrading the firmware

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sphery:

We could call it, "A Mechanism to automatically delete unimportant recordings files based on specified expiration criteria..."

[20:12:44]

wagnerrp:

it took me that long to figure out how to kill it

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: took that long to choose between the shotgun and the knife?

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sphery:

I think I should be the guy who names all the features in Myth...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: would it only go after Meg Ryan movies?

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sphery:

that would be a valid criterion, IMHO

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sphery:

Though, really, I /loved/ Joe vs The Volcano

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** kormoc wonders if there's a market for shotgun slugs with a knife on the end **

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** wagnerrp hides his copy of Innerspace **

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: how about a rocket with a chainsaw on the end?

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: how about some pro-pane!

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kormoc:

ooh! that's the next level for sure

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wagnerrp:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f84/delamaize/topsecretax1.jpg

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kormoc:

Hahaha

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sphery:

1 1/2 gallon tank on that chainsaw... That is a long-range armament

[20:17:49]

sphery:

I like the start button, too

[20:18:14]

sphery:

Should have a 4-colored wavy window on it

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kormoc:

you know what it needs?

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kormoc:

Laser guidance

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kormoc:

Follow those running cowards around the battle field

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wagnerrp:

nah... plain optical would be better

[20:21:42]

wagnerrp:

laser requires YOU to follow those running cowards around the battle field

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kormoc:

well, follow them around with the laser targeting device (ala laser pointer)

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wagnerrp:

wow... Haze is $10, Mirrors Edge didnt even drop that fast

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kormoc:

New steam game? *buy buy buy*

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wagnerrp:

nah, PS3

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AndyCap:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/z . . . tion/93-Haze

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wagnerrp:

yeah, it got not so good reviews in general

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: Can you confirm that when you capture from the HVR-1800 you get full speed capture, just no channel change?

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AndyCap:

kormoc: now this should have a market http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/File:GunThatShootsYou.jpg

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wagnerrp:

not much purpose for the eject plunger

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IrishGent:

hello – has anyone had issues with lirc sending the command for 0 (zero) for motorola devices where 0 (zero) is defined as 0x000 in the lircd.conf file? every other key works, just not the 0 (zero)....

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sebrock:

I'm having trouble with nuvexport obeying the commflag list when transcoding to xvid

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sebrock:

it's not

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sphery:

wagnerrp: sounds like the new Opterons, assuming you mean the Istanbul 6-cores released today, are 40W ACP (=60W AMD TDP, where an Intel-measured TDP would be somewhere between, but closer to AMD TDP) http://it.anandtech.com/IT/showdoc.aspx?i=3606&p=2

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sphery:

Still, though, if they get 60W TDP with 6 cores, a 40W TDP dual core shouldn't be that much trouble

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wagnerrp:

sphery: no, this is a custom HE chip, runs at a meager 1.8GHz

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sphery:

ahhh...

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sphery:

so probably a hand-picked one.

[21:00:52]

wagnerrp:

quite possibly

[21:01:05]

sphery:

meaning as they improve process, we'll see more and more (potentially enough to get a full "bin")

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gbee:

a 40–50W TDP quad would be nice

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wagnerrp:

gbee: the chip is intended as a replacement for an existing 40W 2.3GHz quadcore

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sphery:

yeah, I'm happy with dual, but I wouldn't turn away a quad

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gbee:

wagnerrp: Opteron though? I know of nothing at the consumer level which is just 40W TDP

[21:04:12]

wagnerrp:

although its a 2000 series chip, for DP systems

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gbee:

even their 'Energy Efficient' Dual cores were 45W TDP

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sphery:

yeah--which seem to have all but disappeared, now

[21:04:43]

sphery:

even in the US

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wagnerrp:

12 cores is beyond the useful limit of most consumer users

[21:04:57]

sphery:

I can only find 45W single-cores, now

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** _ben kinda needs to make his myth machine uber energy efficient **

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_ben:

going onto like an economy 7 tariff

[21:05:18]

sphery:

12-cores? Talking Magny-Cours?

[21:05:20]

sphery:

(sp?)

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wagnerrp:

magny-cours?

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gbee:

codename for that chip

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gbee:

play on "Many Cores"

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sphery:

_ben: if you don't already have one, I /highly/ recommend an 80 PLUS PSU – http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/371460#371460

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gbee:

also the location of a famous Racing circuit (used in F1)

[21:06:53]

gbee:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magny-Cours

[21:06:59]

wagnerrp:

no, that 40W 6-core chip is designed for DP systems

[21:07:20]

sphery:

yeah, dual-purpose name as it fits their name after a city/village/... naming scheme

[21:07:22]

wagnerrp:

im saying 95% of home users wouldnt know what to do with that many cores

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sphery:

oh, 6-core, DP = 12 cores

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mkrufky:

Shadow__X: i bet v4l-dvb rev 8105:a34f635c9f54 would work for your hvr1800 .. .if you're around let me know

[21:07:42]

sphery:

I thought we switched to the 12-core chip

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kormoc:

meh, windows 7 / snow leopard will use them if they're available

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wagnerrp:

hell... most people probably dont even know what to do with a quad core

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gbee:

which might not be familiar to the yanks since you don't dare to get involved in F1 :p (ok, first US team running this year) (and I find F1 hugely boring and hardly a test of driver ability)

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hangfire:

wagnerrp: their OS will though. That's what it's for.

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_ben:

sphery: interesting

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kormoc:

gbee: yeah, we're waiting for it to get more exciting by adding a right turn into the mix

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wagnerrp:

hangfire: well it shouldnt, the OS has no use needing that much power

[21:09:29]

sphery:

_ben: and depending on local power costs, it may even be worthwhile to look into 80 PLUS Silver or Gold level PSU's

[21:10:00]

wagnerrp:

seriously, aside from maybe software RAID, what could Windows be doing that would use that much power?

[21:10:28]

sphery:

_ben: http://80plus.org/manu/psu/psu_join.aspx and roll over the "street signs" to see the definitions of each class

[21:11:04]

kormoc:

wagnerrp: all the GFX?

[21:11:16]

sphery:

Aero :)

[21:11:41]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: again... why would it use that much power?

[21:11:52]

wagnerrp:

all that Aero stuff should be primarily done in the GPU

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kormoc:

wagnerrp: only if you have a direct x 10 GPU, which are power hungry, mobile platforms tend not to have it, so all the effects are done on cpu

[21:12:25]

wagnerrp:

and if youre running a quad core with no hardware accelerated 3d, well then you just need to install the damn drivers

[21:13:07]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: i didnt have any trouble running Vista or 7 with an older DX9 card

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gbee:

kormoc: heh, well I don't know what you guys have heard about F1, but the circuits are hardly that dull, but it's flat and featureless tarmac and it's mostly about the engines rather than the driver – not really that exciting as a spectator sport – rallying IMHO has a lot more going for it

[21:13:16]

wagnerrp:

doing all that Aero stuff took hardly any processor

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wagnerrp:

gbee: and crashes!

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kormoc:

meh, more thinking about the intel intigrated gpus

[21:13:50]

kormoc:

and netbooks

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wagnerrp:

sphery: http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2009/8/3 . . . eron-ee.aspx

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gbee:

wagnerrp: crashes, regretably, are the most interesting thing about the sport and they are often spectacular ... and sometimes lethal, hence the regret

[21:15:30]

wagnerrp:

seems it is only that ACP measurement

[21:16:12]

gbee:

FIA are constantly trying to make it safer of course, and thus even more boring

[21:16:14]

wagnerrp:

gbee: my uncle used to have a season spot for his camper at one of the local race tracks

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wagnerrp:

right at a bad turn

[21:16:42]

wagnerrp:

when my cousin was 3, he would go down to the edge of the track at the end of the race

[21:16:53]

wagnerrp:

and trade popsicles for car parts with the cleanup crews

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sphery:

wagnerrp: still 60W AMD TDP for 6 cores is sweet

[21:17:53]

sphery:

now to wait for the dual and quad versions to come out

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laga:

interactive mode in the mythweb remote is very neat

[21:39:06]

xris:

I need to get that to work properly in android. heh.

[21:39:13]

xris:

pocket-sized myth remote.

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xris:

need to get the screenshot stuff working, too

[21:39:32]

kormoc:

xris: I have it working on mobile safari, I just need to theme it up

[21:40:11]

laga:

i use a j2me app on my n95 :)

[21:40:26]

kormoc:

laga: Heh, without any indication of what it does, I'm kinda surprised anyone found out what it did yet :)

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xris:

kormoc: cool.

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laga:

kormoc: yeah, it's not very obvious

[21:40:46]

xris:

but remember my async ajax bug in android....

[21:41:05]

xris:

google fixed the bug but I doubt it'll be ready before donut

[21:41:05]

kormoc:

xris: does the android have a number specific keyboard as well as a general one?

[21:41:15]

xris:

yeah

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xris:

not entirely sure how to bring one or the other up for input, though.

[21:41:37]

xris:

or if you even *can* do that for a web form

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kormoc:

you can

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kormoc:

<input type="text" class="zipcode"> :)

[21:42:07]

kormoc:

or was it name="zipcode", one of the two trigger it if it's supported

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xris:

ah

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xris:

interesting

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kormoc:

Yeah, but I'll do the interactive mode on those devices and you'll click on which keyboard to bring up and type away

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gbee:

"sorry, but the channel number you have entered it not a valid zipcode and will therefore be ignored"

[21:42:49]

** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

90210, more then a tv show

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_ben:

sphery: ta for that link

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_ben:

sphery: what about ssd's?

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sphery:

no idea how they compare on power usage

[21:47:03]

sphery:

the $$$ always stopped me from even looking :)

[21:47:44]

_ben:

maybe i should seriously invest my time is configuring myth to shutdown/wakeup properly

[21:47:50]

_ben:

s/is/in

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sphery:

that is by and far the /best/ way to save power with Myth

[21:48:29]

sphery:

and in 0.22, Myth will support automatically shutting down and waking remote backends

[21:49:00]

_ben:

very cool – i'm running trunk atm so will looking into this

[21:49:40]

sphery:

(though you have to wake them manually to access the recordings on their local filesystems--if you use NFS to an always-available fileserver or one on the master backend for all recordings, that's not a problem)

[21:50:52]

gbee:

support, although it still requires some configuration and support of certain wake up methods

[21:51:22]

_ben:

i'm just planning to have one box in the living room with back/front end and an appletv in the bedroom & my pc in the study with another frontend

[21:51:39]

gbee:

I was disappointed to discover that my board didn't support 'wake on usb', I thought that would be a nice touch – press the power button on the remote etc

[21:51:39]

_ben:

not sure if this shutdown stuff is actually feasible

[21:51:55]

_ben:

Ah, mine does

[21:52:08]

** sphery is looking forward to seeing how Myth handles the "can I upgrade" prompt for other plugins, too (as now it's only MythMusic, it seems) **

[21:52:27]

gbee:

newish board, just not one of the methods it offers :(

[21:52:45]

sphery:

I hope it's not a separate prompt for each

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sphery:

(and definitely not a separate backup for each)

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sphery:

though it seems it's not doing autobackup for plugins (which is probably good as plugin data can /always/ be recreated from scratch--unlike MythTV data)

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sphery:

gbee: I've been told that Wake on USB doesn't work like that, but requires a specific USB wakeup event from a device that supports wake on usb (like a USB keyboard)

[21:54:24]

gbee:

sphery: yeah, I'm not quite sure why the change was made for that plugins and not others

[21:54:40]

gbee:

I also hope that I don't get prompted a dozen times too

[21:54:44]

sphery:

I just assumed that someone (Nigel, probably) is still working through the rest

[21:55:06]

gbee:

sphery: MCE remote/ir receiver apparently support, which is what I have

[21:55:22]

sphery:

cool

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sphery:

I really don't know anything about wake on usb... I just assumed it would wake up on /any/ usb event, but someone in here told me that's not true

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gbee:

then again, I've noticed the USB devices receive power even when the machine is off, I can't see why that would be the case if the board doesn't support it – guess I need to read the manual and not rely on what's listed in the bios config

[21:56:33]

sphery:

my way is definitely more useful than an approach that requires specific device support

[21:57:03]

sphery:

yeah, plus translating the wording in the BIOS is always a ton of fun

[21:57:13]

sphery:

i.e. each mobo has a bios that uses different words

[21:57:27]

sphery:

and in some cases they're not "really" English even in the English BIOS images

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laga:

i think i have a board which only supports wake from USB from ACPI S3. not when it's powered off.

[21:59:09]

sphery:

ah, yeah, that was the other part I was told--only works from S3

[21:59:28]

sphery:

but like gbee said, why power USB devices when shut down if that's the case

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AndyCap:

sphery: because the hardware could support it but the bios engineers never bothered to figure out how it works.

[22:02:58]

sphery:

that could well be

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AndyCap:

sometimes it seems life was simpler before PnP ACPI and whatnot.

[22:03:13]

sphery:

as I don't think BIOS engineering is the high-profit market it used to be :)

[22:03:20]

AndyCap:

ooh, Mr.BIOS

[22:03:42]

AndyCap:

their comeback didn't really go anywhere.

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sphery:

I'm still surprised that American Megatrends (AMI) is still in business... How can you possibly make a living...

[22:05:22]

AndyCap:

heh and Award too. but I guess the generic motherboard manufacturers have to get a bios from somewhere.

[22:05:34]

sphery:

ah, yeah, award... always forget their name

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sid3windr:

dell xps has an ami

[22:05:49]

sid3windr:

dell's other stuff once started from ami too i guess

[22:05:50]

sid3windr:

or no, that would be phoenix

[22:05:56]

sphery:

yeah, I thought even dell, et. al. contracted to ami/award/phoenix

[22:05:56]

AndyCap:

And actually, I'm not sure Intel and Amd would do a good job.

[22:06:13]

sphery:

OpenBIOS ftw!

[22:06:13]

sid3windr:

I read a webpage about the 6 basic bioses you have

[22:06:22]

sid3windr:

and everyone start(ed) from there :)

[22:06:25]

AndyCap:

bnobtc

[22:06:54]

AndyCap:

Heh, my P90 had Ami WinBIOS with mouse support. that didn't go anywhere either. :P

[22:06:56]

gbee:

well I've just read a post on the minimyth boards where someone claims wake on usb is supported by this board, guess I'll give it a try tomorrow

[22:06:58]

sphery:

(note that I was joking--I've never touched OpenBIOS)

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AndyCap:

sphery: wuss.

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sid3windr:

I wanted to

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sid3windr:

but it's hard to find a supported board

[22:08:02]

sphery:

AndyCap: heh, but at least WinBIOS got a whole section in wikipedia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Megatrends#Controversies

[22:08:14]

AndyCap:

hey. :)

[22:08:34]

AndyCap:

the old Win 3.11 interface? it wasn't old at the time

[22:10:01]

AndyCap:

for instance my Intel board has no way of resetting the bios settings.

[22:10:13]

AndyCap:

that is amazingly stupid.

[22:10:33]

_ben:

awesome

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laga:

sphery: i also loved that ACPI circle jerk. heh

[22:11:16]

AndyCap:

so setting the memory settings to something incompatible bricks the board, hello RMA

[22:11:24]

sid3windr:

no battery to take off?

[22:11:49]

AndyCap:

sid3windr: sure, but settings seem to be stored in flash.

[22:12:07]

sid3windr:

:|

[22:12:10]

sid3windr:

lovely

[22:12:14]

sphery:

AndyCap: reflash the BIOS?

[22:12:27]

kormoc:

can't reflash until after the bios starts

[22:12:27]

sid3windr:

haxor the flash so it thinks they are cleared!

[22:12:36]

sid3windr:

well

[22:12:36]

AndyCap:

sphery: well, that stranded on missing a sata drive for the recovery thing.

[22:12:37]

sphery:

nothing like making resetting settings a potentially-hardware-destructive task :)

[22:12:40]

sid3windr:

hotflash it on another board :D

[22:13:07]

AndyCap:

sid3windr: yeah, I'm up for unsoldering a live chip

[22:13:16]

sid3windr:

oh nice, not socketed either of course

[22:13:20]

sid3windr:

I should have known :D

[22:14:04]

AndyCap:

in theory I guess a magical cdrom bios recovery could have worked, but it was easier to rma. and it didn't stay powered on long enough for it to work it seems.

[22:14:16]

AndyCap:

and it wouldn't have any ram to talk to to run the code.

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AndyCap:

sid3windr: but the new board got a nice home here http://imagebin.org/61371 , and I finally got hdmi audio out so I'm happy.

[22:16:59]

sid3windr:

:)

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CoreDump|home:

AndyCap: usually re-seating the CPU resets all BIOS settings to the defaults.

[22:17:13]

sid3windr:

and what exactly is that? :P frontend cupboard pc?

[22:17:19]

sid3windr:

mm

[22:17:23]

sid3windr:

that i've never heard of

[22:17:28]

AndyCap:

sid3windr: basically.

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sid3windr:

:)

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kormoc:

I've never heard of such a thing

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CoreDump|home:

Try it =) Worked for me at one time.

[22:18:39]

laga:

i've heard the same thing once, but i don't believe it %)

[22:19:35]

CoreDump|home:

well, at this point it would be worth a try I guess. Can't fuck up the machine any more as it is =)

[22:19:40]

AndyCap:

sid3windr: one of these http://interiorogeksterior.blogg.no/images/ikea_1204228784.jpg stuck in a bookshelf.

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iamlindoro:

"My STB automatically upscales STD to HD."

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iamlindoro:

Sounds disgusting

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sid3windr:

=)

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sid3windr:

highdisease

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AndyCap:

Converts DVD video to near HD quality

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AndyCap:

via HDMI(TM)

[22:31:34]

AndyCap:

Ooh, magic

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: I think I prefer std to huntingtons

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iamlindoro:

I think any STD doesn't need the benefit of increased resolution ;)

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i_is_cat:

so i upgraded my backend from slackware 12.2 to slackware 13 now mythtv wont run cuz 13 uses qt4 instead of 3.. should i get the latest dev version or is there something else i can try? :S

[23:13:30]

Dagmar:

You should perhaps plan better.

[23:13:38]

Dagmar:

It would also help if you'd look at ALL the packages Patrick built.

[23:13:45]

drenyx:

hehe

[23:13:52]

** drenyx got home from work very sleepy **

[23:14:16]

drenyx:

I didn't wanna rebuilt mythtv since it's happy, but the qt doesn't wanna build right now with mysql support

[23:14:32]

drenyx:

can't find the header stuff for mysql by itself, wee

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Dagmar:

Dude, install Patrick's qt-3 package from extra/

[23:17:08]

drenyx:

I did

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Dagmar:

Then you don't need to rebuild qt

[23:17:45]

Dagmar:

...and yeah, there's patches to get around that

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drenyx:

it put it under like, /usr/lib/X11/KDE/middle-of-nowhere/Area51youwillbeshot/someotherdirectorytomakes ureitsnotinthedefaultpaths/qt

[23:18:19]

Dagmar:

no it didn't

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drenyx:

it did for me

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drenyx:

/opt/kde3/lib/qt3

[23:18:54]

Dagmar:

No, it puts it under root/lib/qt/plugins/sqldrivers/

[23:19:15]

Dagmar:

Rather it should

[23:19:18]

drenyx:

the qt3 package from /extra for slack13?

[23:19:24]

Dagmar:

Lemme check

[23:20:34]

drenyx:

if I installpkg the qt3 package it goes to /opt/kde3/lib/qt3 and I had compiled the qt3 setup for /usr/local/qt, so I can *try* recompiling mythtv for the new qt location, but I know it did compile with it at the old location

[23:20:34]

** sphery awaits the onslaught of "how is that intuitive behavior" after his post to "(US) Dump Comcast for a dish,good Mythtv decision?" **

[23:20:50]

drenyx:

and I had less trouble fighting qt so far than I did for mythtv I belive

[23:20:54]

Dagmar:

/opt/kde3/lib/qt3/plugins/sqldrivers/libqsqlmysql.so

[23:21:28]

sphery:

Qt isn't much of a fighter... Too worried about messing up it's Qt face.

[23:21:51]

drenyx:

hrmm...

[23:21:55]

Dagmar:

drenyx: Unless your build of qt was retardedly broken, there's no reason you should have to recompile MythTV just because you replaced qt

[23:22:11]

drenyx:

well, exactly

[23:22:13]

drenyx:

that's what I was saying

[23:22:17]

Dagmar:

I have my own build of it because I won't use f**king /opt

[23:22:23]

drenyx:

ok, I did the quick fudge it

[23:22:31]

Dagmar:

I would not recommend other people compile qt themselves.

[23:22:36]

drenyx:

ln -s /opt/kde3/lib/qt3 /usr/local/qt

[23:22:43]

drenyx:

now it's where mythtv expects to find it

[23:22:52]

drenyx:

but still getting driver error

[23:22:52]

Dagmar:

You just need to UNINSTALL the qt stuff you compiled

[23:23:09]

Dagmar:

DO NOT FILTHY UP YOUR FILESYSTEM.

[23:23:37]

Dagmar:

If you get into the habit of leaving duplicates of things in /usr/local/ and /usr and /opt at the same time things will break...

[23:23:40]

Dagmar:

...and I will laugh at you.

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kormoc:

you will laugh no matter what anyway

[23:23:59]

drenyx:

currently mythtv is looking for qt in /usr/local/qt

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Dagmar:

No I'll laugh for sure when the simple solution is to make packages on the distribution with the easiest packages to make

[23:24:21]

drenyx:

so how do I then make it look for it in /opt/kde3/lib/qt3 without recompiling?

[23:24:34]

Dagmar:

How specifically is Myth "looking" for Qt?

[23:24:56]

Dagmar:

I could just tell you what to do but it'll be more useful to show you

[23:25:13]

drenyx:

well, when I move /usr/local/qt and have the qt3 package installed in /opt/kde/lib/qt3 it doesn't find it

[23:25:28]

drenyx:

move /usr/local/qt as in make it go away

[23:25:34]

Dagmar:

Right so, again... do you know how it's looking for that?

[23:25:52]

Dagmar:

Aside from the "why haven't you already thrown away the qt in /usr/local/qt" issue

[23:25:53]

drenyx:

I've been up for 23.5 hours with about an hour nap

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Dagmar:

hemhem. Logout and back in and see if Patrick's profile script fragment sets your QTDIR and QTPATH to the right locations.

[23:26:18]

drenyx:

so no, I don't much care why or how it's looking for it at the moment :P

[23:26:32]

Dagmar:

You need to know if you expect to be able to diagnose these things correctly.

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drenyx:

well, then it probably has a lot to do with the fact I put paths in the /etc/profile like qt setup told me to

[23:27:06]

drenyx:

which is why I was just gonna leave it that way

[23:27:15]

** kormoc laughs **

[23:27:22]

Dagmar:

Okay.

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Dagmar:

Rule of thumb when building your own packages

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Dagmar:

Do not tamper with files provided by the OS if you can avoid it

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Dagmar:

Patrick FINALLY conceded that there might be a use for /etc/profile.d

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Dagmar:

Any script in there gets run without you having to tamper with /etc/profile, or otherwise set things out of sequence so that the values that are set up to waterfall/failover/whatever don't break

[23:29:19]

Dagmar:

When you installed PV's qt package, you should have gotten an /etc/profile.d/qt.(c)sh which will be run and set those variables

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Dagmar:

If you put things into their own little scripts in /etc/profile.d instead of changeing /etc/profile, the chances of things breaking are much, much lower

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Dagmar:

Understand?

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drenyx:

it wasn't broken until there was 2 versions of qt on the system

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Dagmar:

There's an intricate dance to this, and mainly no one ever learns all the steps to it until they've had several fatal accidents

[23:31:07]

Dagmar:

Hey hey... Can you guess what I'll say about two versions of Qt being installed at the same time without there being a) a need for both simultaneously or b) stuff done to make them cohabitate?

[23:31:19]

Dagmar:

A: It's a failure state waiting to happen

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drenyx:

well, again, if he didn't hide qt3 under kde, I would've found it first

[23:31:51]

Dagmar:

lol

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Dagmar:

Yeah this is why I dont' care for opt

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Dagmar:

drenyx: If it's any consolation, this is the unwholesome aberration I had to construct to make Qt go into /usr cleanly http://pastebin.com/m5dbd69cf

[23:38:15]

Dagmar:

Qt has "issues", across the board

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drenyx:

I understand the whole niceness bit of mythtv finding a shared object in a different location, but I really don't care that much this time around...and it's not playing nice

[23:38:36]

Dagmar:

You may have noticed it doesn't even build correctly (ever) if you try to compile it in a prefix even slightly related to the one it's going to

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drenyx:

yeah, it's a bit weird as far as the compile thing goes, why I went for their defaults

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Dagmar:

Like, building it in /usr/src to install to /usr fails every time

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Dagmar:

...because moc is retarded

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Dagmar:

dbs works in /tmp, which avoids that

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el_critter:

Hi I need to setup a system for audio capture only (from TV channels). Which capture card do you recommend me? I need it to work out of the box with linux.

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