| Tuesday, August 25th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:01] | sphery: | spl_autoload_register has been in since 5.1.2 per http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.spl-autoload-register.php |
| [00:00:20] | andreax: | Yeah found it too... Let me dig a bit if i missed something... |
| [00:01:04] | sphery: | abarbaccia: can you pastebin the output of the following, please: svn info |
| [00:01:19] | abarbaccia: | 21505 |
| [00:01:36] | kormoc: | andreax, gentoo? |
| [00:01:57] | abarbaccia: | sphery: im running 21505 |
| [00:02:17] | andreax: | kormoc: Yeah. |
| [00:02:32] | kormoc: | andreax, you're missing the spl use flag for php |
| [00:02:59] | sphery: | abarbaccia: gcc version? |
| [00:03:17] | kormoc: | andreax, for what it's worth, here's my enabled php flags, apache2 bcmath bzip2 cli crypt ctype curl gd-external json ldap mysql mysqli nls pcre pdo posix reflection session simplexml sockets spl ssl sysvipc tokenizer truetype unicode xml xmlreader zip zlib |
| [00:03:18] | abarbaccia: | 4.3.3 |
| [00:03:54] | kormoc: | reflection is a new one that you'll want to enable, as it'll be used for the JSON endpoint |
| [00:04:20] | xris: | kormoc: anyone ever think of adding a gentoo directory to the mythtv packaging tree? |
| [00:04:44] | andreax: | kormoc: Oh, thanks. Ill enable all them and recompile... thankyou. And thanks xris. |
| [00:05:17] | sphery: | abarbaccia: do you have the output from configure, still? |
| [00:05:17] | Dagmar: | So I guess issuing a make clean worked then |
| [00:05:19] | kormoc: | andreax, erm, the ldap one won't ever be required for mythweb FYI |
| [00:05:32] | kormoc: | xris, hrm. To put documentation on build requirements? |
| [00:05:41] | andreax: | kormoc: I was about to ask! :) thx. |
| [00:05:50] | Dagmar: | Oh come on! |
| [00:06:01] | sphery: | kormoc: could put your ebuild there :) |
| [00:06:05] | Dagmar: | What if poeple need their televisions to sync with an Active Directory domain? |
| [00:06:09] | abarbaccia: | sphery: http://pastebin.com/m510937f8 |
| [00:06:12] | kormoc: | sphery, heh, true |
| [00:06:13] | Dagmar: | They're going to need LDAP with some patches to do that! |
| [00:06:30] | sphery: | kormoc: since they have redhat and windows and macos packaging stuff in there |
| [00:06:50] | Captain_Murdoch: | anyone compiling the latest trunk with gcc 4.1.1? |
| [00:06:55] | kormoc: | We could do a repo there that people sync against, hrm |
| [00:06:58] | Captain_Murdoch: | latest == less than 2 hours old |
| [00:07:13] | kormoc: | 4.3.2 here |
| [00:07:25] | xris: | kormoc: yeah. |
| [00:07:32] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: I am (r21506), but I have the vanilla (broken) gcc 4.1.1, not the red hat "patches a plenty" version |
| [00:07:33] | ** Captain_Murdoch puts on his glasses to check if 4.3.2 == 4.1.1 :) ** | |
| [00:07:42] | xris: | kormoc: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/packaging |
| [00:07:48] | Dagmar: | Was yer Qt built with a different version? |
| [00:07:52] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, this is 4.1.1 from an old fedora so it may be patched. |
| [00:08:15] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch: yeah, pretty sure it was... They backported some fixes that were deemed too invasive for the GNU tree. |
| [00:08:19] | Captain_Murdoch: | it's breaking on Daniel's socket patch 21505 and I was trying to see if it was gcc or my qt 4.3 |
| [00:08:30] | sphery: | though TTBOMK, that only affects the 64-bit version |
| [00:09:04] | scan is now known as scan_away | |
| [00:09:05] | sphery: | I'd guess your gcc can do everything mine can (but yours does it right ;), so I'd lean toward Qt |
| [00:09:49] | ** sphery considers doing a release build (and totally messing up his profile ccache) to see if that's why users can't compile since the ProgramInfo/RecordingInfo ** | |
| [00:09:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | yeah, I made a mod to his patch, but haven't tested yet, still compiling. don't really want to make changes to encourage 4.3 usage either since it does require another patch |
| [00:10:00] | sphery: | anyone successfully building current trunk with release build? |
| [00:11:22] | kormoc: | sphery, I was I think, let me verify |
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| [00:13:01] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [00:13:08] | ** kormoc rebuilds to be sure ** | |
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| [00:14:29] | sphery: | heh, thanks for sacrificing your ccache for me :) |
| [00:15:37] | kyler: | Argh! I finally gave up on my old recordings after upgrading to the latest trunk. That was working for awhile but after I get a few new recordings it reverts to not listing any of them. |
| [00:16:06] | kyler: | ProgramInfo: FromStringList, not enough items in list. |
| [00:16:22] | kormoc: | sphery, heh, if anyone should, it's me, I do have 12 2.2 ghz+ core 2 cores available for compiling :) |
| [00:16:59] | sphery: | abarbaccia: I think this error is going to require a complete log file of the entire build--the actual problem is mentioned during compile as a warning (non error), but results in an error at link time, so the "short" log I got with just the failure doesn't have the info I need. Any chance you could do a make clean && make 2>&1 | tee mklog |
| [00:17:40] | kyler: | On the upside, I haven't had the frontend freeze since the upgrade. |
| [00:18:12] | sphery: | kormoc: makes me wonder if your CPU's with distcc would be faster than the disk I/O with ccache :) |
| [00:18:31] | kormoc: | heh |
| [00:18:47] | kormoc: | my ccache is distributed as well actually, nfs mounted so all the boxes share it |
| [00:19:09] | kormoc: | so it doesn't matter which node gets the recompile request, it's a cache hit if it can be |
| [00:20:44] | sphery: | either abarbaccia doesn't use ccache or he didn't notice my request for a full log :) |
| [00:24:35] | Dagmar: | When did he pastebin it?? |
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| [00:25:05] | kormoc: | sphery, he uses ccache, line 128 of his pastebin |
| [00:25:27] | sphery: | he pastebin'ed the log showing the actual error at http://pastebin.com/m1cfbbf29 , but I need the compile logs to find the error |
| [00:26:10] | sphery: | actually, I could just look through the class (which I'm considering doing because I'm getting bored), but thought it would be faster to just find the warning that tells me where the mistake is |
| [00:28:45] | kormoc: | sphery, all plugins and core build, gcc 4.3.2, release build |
| [00:28:59] | sphery: | kormoc: thanks |
| [00:29:20] | sphery: | I'm now thinking that I might be able to trigger the error by building without my ccache... Testing the theory. |
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| [00:30:38] | kormoc: | 15 minutes for a full, clean compile, not too shabby |
| [00:31:36] | sphery: | (nice |
| [00:31:41] | sphery: | much more for me |
| [00:32:17] | kormoc: | just grab a mac pro and toss it into your distcc rotation ;) |
| [00:32:35] | sphery: | huh, didn't realize that distcc and ccache are enabled by default in our config |
| [00:33:04] | sphery: | I can't buy any Apple equipment. I was turned away from the store--not cool enough. :( |
| [00:33:21] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [00:33:24] | sphery: | I'm a PC, and I run GNU/Linux. |
| [00:33:27] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [00:33:39] | kormoc: | I always wave my credit card and they let me in |
| [00:33:56] | sphery: | I really wanted to do a parody ad that said that, but my lack of artistic skills prevented it... |
| [00:34:18] | sphery: | yeah, I supposed if I didn't have the word cheapskate written across my forehead that might work for me. |
| [00:35:21] | kormoc: | %s/written/tattooed/ ? |
| [00:35:45] | sphery: | yeah, better word |
| [00:36:19] | Dagmar: | w |
| [00:36:28] | Dagmar: | Written, because tattoos ain't cheap |
| [00:36:37] | kormoc: | ha |
| [00:36:53] | Dagmar: | Three square inches of tattoo is >$200 |
| [00:37:00] | Dagmar: | 1 sharpie, $1.85 |
| [00:37:52] | sphery: | I just used the GIMP to make a mirror image of the word in 72-point MS Comic Sans, then used OpenOffice to print it on my inkjet, then put it up to my forehead and brushed water on the back of the paper to transfer the tattoo. |
| [00:38:07] | kormoc: | Actually, I bet I know a guy or two that would do a 'cheapskate' tattoo for free |
| [00:38:27] | sphery: | or, for a bottle of bacon vodka at most :) |
| [00:38:32] | Gav8in: | "jailhouse" ? |
| [00:40:26] | kormoc: | heh, i *know* I could get someone to do it for a bottle of vodka, bacon or not ;) |
| [00:40:30] | kormoc: | nah, not jailhouse |
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| [00:51:49] | kyler: | Anyone using Gloss? I'm looking for an alternate frontend. (Well, an alternative to me running mysql and mplayer by hand.) |
| [00:52:31] | kormoc: | nope, and why? |
| [00:52:56] | kyler: | trunk frontend breaks for me – won't list my recordings |
| [00:53:11] | kormoc: | might want to fix that |
| [00:53:38] | kyler: | Yeah, it's not pleasant. I at least need something simple my wife can use to watch news in the morning. |
| [00:53:42] | iamlindoro: | It won't list your recordings because you've broken your setup, it's not trunk's fault |
| [00:54:01] | iamlindoro: | and an alternate frontend won't work around broken DB or mismatched versions |
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| [00:54:19] | kormoc: | wow, gloss doesn't even attempt to work with myth really, still requires mysql.txt, doesn't support config.xml, nor upnp, nor trunk |
| [00:54:24] | kyler: | DB's fine. Backend's fine. I have no problems accessing them. |
| [00:54:55] | iamlindoro: | kyler, If they were fine, you would see recordings |
| [00:55:03] | iamlindoro: | so they may *appear* fine, but they are not. |
| [00:55:09] | kormoc: | nor does it use the python bindings, he wrote his own SQL interface |
| [00:55:16] | kyler: | I do when I use mysql directly. Another frontend could do that too. |
| [00:55:30] | iamlindoro: | *headdesk* |
| [00:55:46] | iamlindoro: | to BOTH of the last two comments |
| [00:55:49] | kormoc: | kyler, so you're saying it's not a configuration issue when everyone else who runs trunk sees their recordings fine? |
| [00:56:00] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [00:56:09] | kyler: | No, I'm saying I don't care. I just want to watch the recordings there. |
| [00:56:31] | kyler: | ...using something easier than the manual method I'm using now. |
| [00:56:39] | kormoc: | so why not just fix the configuration issue? |
| [00:57:30] | kyler: | kormac: If I knew how to fix it I'd be all over it. |
| [00:57:41] | kyler: | (I was up all night trying things.) |
| [00:57:56] | kormoc: | it's moc, not mac, and you haven't pastebinned any logs for us to see afaik |
| [00:58:30] | kormoc: | mythfrontend -v most &> file_to_pastebin.log would be quite handy |
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| [01:04:57] | kyler: | kormoc: http://lairds.us/temp/mythtv/log-20090824.txt |
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| [01:08:45] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Someone was asking about graphite earlier today |
| [01:08:53] | Dagmar: | I told them I wasn't going to rat you out. |
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| [01:10:59] | iamlindoro: | heh.. I see he never said what he wanted |
| [01:11:29] | iamlindoro: | Definitely not taking feature requests on it right now, that's for sure |
| [01:12:57] | Dagmar: | Yeah the vague nature of his query gave me pause or I'd have considered saying "Oh well, just wait for iamlindoro... He'll be around in a few more hours" |
| [01:13:03] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [01:13:05] | iamlindoro: | well thanks |
| [01:13:30] | iamlindoro: | It's generally not going to end well when someone wants to talk to the author instead of just ask their question |
| [01:21:23] | Dagmar: | BTW, the oggplayer I have here really, really succks |
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| [01:29:25] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: the python bindings were probably marginal at best when gloss was written |
| [01:29:32] | wagnerrp: | it hasnt been updated in like 2 years has it? |
| [01:31:26] | brutus: | hi guys , myth-tv is for digital signal only ? |
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| [01:32:21] | GreyFoxx: | No, analog is fine |
| [01:32:35] | Gav8in: | yeah, mythtv works with any tv signal you can shove into a computer |
| [01:33:13] | wagnerrp: | assuming by analog, you mean mpeg encoder |
| [01:33:19] | wagnerrp: | we dont take kindly to framegrabbers |
| [01:33:31] | GreyFoxx: | however myth will work withg them :) |
| [01:33:46] | brutus: | the problem is that i get an error |
| [01:33:53] | brutus: | cannot login to database |
| [01:34:02] | brutus: | dunno what to do |
| [01:34:05] | ** iamlindoro wonders what question 1 had to do with question 2 ** | |
| [01:34:05] | wagnerrp: | are you running a database? |
| [01:34:12] | Gav8in: | it's essentially proven NP-Hard |
| [01:34:16] | Dagmar: | Did you read the install documentation? |
| [01:34:17] | Gav8in: | err, misfire. |
| [01:34:17] | brutus: | mysql i think |
| [01:34:24] | Dagmar: | "I think" means you didn't read |
| [01:34:39] | brutus: | by documentation ive installed it |
| [01:34:48] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [01:35:11] | brutus: | something like sudo apt-get install myth-tv and frontend |
| [01:35:15] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Category:Distribut . . . stall_Guides probably ahs what you need |
| [01:35:26] | Dagmar: | Just running some apt-get commands isn't enough |
| [01:35:28] | wagnerrp: | how would that be considered 'reading documentation' |
| [01:36:36] | brutus: | sry to be so bluur in my exprimation ive read lots of doc these days and ive made a mess in my head with all the commands |
| [01:36:43] | brutus: | ill try the link ty |
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| [01:48:51] | kormoc: | kyler, erm... your backend is reporting the incorrect number of fields to the frontend... that happens a fair bit when the database was mangled by hand schema modifications |
| [01:50:52] | tank-man: | brutus, is your setup where your backend and frontend are on the same pc? |
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| [01:51:38] | brutus: | in the menu i have mythtv front end |
| [01:52:01] | brutus: | php and mysql installed |
| [01:52:32] | brutus: | mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
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| [01:52:40] | brutus: | this is the problem i think |
| [01:52:46] | tank-man: | maybe the server isnt running |
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| [01:55:44] | kormoc: | kyler, so, have you modified the database schema by hand in the past? |
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| [02:09:18] | JEDIDIAH__: | how do I get rid of that "prompt for DVD device" dialog box permanently in trunk? |
| [02:10:47] | JEDIDIAH__: | trunk also seems to think that my Archos 5 is a DVD drive... |
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| [02:17:26] | sphery: | disable media monitor? |
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| [02:29:02] | vhann: | Is 'analog' the S-video out or the coax out (on a DViCO FusionHDTV7 Dual Express)? |
| [02:30:24] | brutus: | coax is analog signal ; s-video is digital |
| [02:30:56] | vhann: | Serious? Because I wasn't sure so I checked Wikipedia and it says S-video is 'analog' |
| [02:31:12] | vhann: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-Video |
| [02:32:03] | iamlindoro: | s-video is most definitely not digital |
| [02:32:10] | Dagmar: | "serious" isn't the word for it |
| [02:32:15] | Dagmar: | "wrong" is the word for that |
| [02:32:16] | redparchel: | they're both analog |
| [02:32:28] | iamlindoro: | Coax can be analog *or* digital |
| [02:32:42] | iamlindoro: | depending on what's feeding it |
| [02:32:43] | brutus: | my bad i know that analog signal are on "two wires" |
| [02:32:48] | vhann: | So what is not supported on this card: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DViCO_F . . . Dual_Express |
| [02:33:18] | iamlindoro: | vhann, anything besides digital OTA or digital cable |
| [02:33:23] | iamlindoro: | (is not supported) |
| [02:33:39] | iamlindoro: | You can capture whatever is unencrypted QAM from Cable, or from an antenna |
| [02:34:07] | Dagmar: | ...and as far as I can tell, none of the ports on that card (except for the 3.5mm audio one) are outputs |
| [02:34:09] | vhann: | So, if I connect the card to say the coax out of my PVR it should work right? |
| [02:34:15] | iamlindoro: | vhann, no |
| [02:34:26] | brutus: | i`ve managed to make mysql work the problem was the login, fired up frontend and now my red led works , what next ? |
| [02:34:27] | Dagmar: | You'd want to use s-video for that hop if you can |
| [02:34:30] | iamlindoro: | cable boxes do not output digital over coax |
| [02:34:31] | vhann: | Sorry, yeah, I meant input |
| [02:34:33] | vhann: | Oh cool |
| [02:34:46] | redparchel: | does anyone have a copy of [or know where to get] MythTwit [originally hosted at http://www.nugatory.co.uk/~mark/2007/09/30/mythtwit-v003/]&nb sp;? |
| [02:34:50] | Dagmar: | s-video won't be as prone to interference from the next-door neighbors piece of crap NES16 |
| [02:34:51] | iamlindoro: | that card will be unable to capture *anything* from your cable box |
| [02:34:54] | vhann: | so, if I use the S-video to YUV converter included it would work? |
| [02:34:57] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [02:34:57] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [02:34:58] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [02:34:58] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [02:34:59] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [02:35:01] | iamlindoro: | again |
| [02:35:02] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [02:35:21] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Drivers don't work? |
| [02:35:30] | iamlindoro: | The ONLY THING that card can capture is antenna, or (straight from the wall) whatever channels your cable co leaves unencrypted |
| [02:35:37] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Correct, no analog support on the card |
| [02:36:00] | Dagmar: | Ohhh *ouch*! |
| [02:36:08] | vhann: | iamlindoro: I'm not sure, but any TV I plug in the coax out displays correctly, so I assume it's unencrypted |
| [02:36:10] | Dagmar: | Wait, you _sure_ about that? |
| [02:36:20] | Dagmar: | I'm looking at it on NewEgg. It's definitely got s-video inputs |
| [02:36:24] | iamlindoro: | vhann, coaxial out from your cable box is RF, not QAM |
| [02:36:31] | Dagmar: | ...now whether or not his STB has an s-video output he can use is another matter |
| [02:36:36] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, not driver support |
| [02:36:40] | iamlindoro: | er no |
| [02:36:46] | iamlindoro: | "It is supported under Linux since kernel 2.6.27. (Note: Analog support is not implemented yet). " |
| [02:36:49] | Dagmar: | Drat. Yeah that kinda sucks then |
| [02:37:28] | iamlindoro: | vhann, The coax out from your cable box is an analog source. The coax out of your wall is (likely) a digital one. The one out of the wall can be captured, BUT only the (very few) channels the cable co does not encrypt. |
| [02:38:16] | vhann: | iamlindoro: There is no cable where I live, we get TV from a satellite receiver which is plugged in the provider's PVR |
| [02:38:30] | iamlindoro: | vhann, Then that card will be unable to capture anything for you |
| [02:38:33] | iamlindoro: | nothing whatsoever |
| [02:38:40] | vhann: | Oh |
| [02:39:42] | vhann: | Do you know of any card which has analog support? |
| [02:39:55] | vhann: | (I guess this is what I need) |
| [02:40:44] | iamlindoro: | Buy a second hand Hauppauge PVR-150 or PVR-500. Failing that, buy an HVR-1600. |
| [02:41:05] | iamlindoro: | don't look at another card and decide it's "good enough" |
| [02:41:18] | vhann: | Ok |
| [02:41:37] | vhann: | I didn't know what to buy since this is the first media center I built |
| [02:41:53] | brutus: | pvr 2000 i think its ok |
| [02:41:59] | brutus: | from leadtek |
| [02:42:25] | vhann: | Well, thanks a lot brutus iamlindoro and Dagmar |
| [02:42:42] | iamlindoro: | brutus, no, it's not. |
| [02:42:44] | brutus: | i use dth2000 h from leadtek on ubuntu 9.04 and its still on dev |
| [02:42:58] | brutus: | i have image but no sound |
| [02:43:02] | iamlindoro: | brutus, That card is not an acceptable option... you don't even have a working myth box, PLEASE don't give advice |
| [02:43:16] | vhann: | Support is currently limited to digital TV mode only. Analog support (both analog TV & A/V input) will be added to the CX23885 driver soon; which will enable preview analog video support. This feature is already supported on CX23887-based products |
| [02:43:37] | iamlindoro: | vhann, don't know what you are looking at |
| [02:43:44] | brutus: | iamlindoro : first the card has to be supported to be used by mythtv |
| [02:43:56] | vhann: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PC . . . _PCIe_Cards: |
| [02:44:07] | iamlindoro: | brutus, PLEASE DON'T GIVE MYTH ADVICE if you don't have a working myth box! |
| [02:44:32] | brutus: | and yeah i dont have a working myth tv box because lazy tutorials |
| [02:44:43] | iamlindoro: | so stop giving advice |
| [02:44:49] | iamlindoro: | because so far it's 100% wrong |
| [02:44:52] | brutus: | and have to make byhand the mysql database for mythtv |
| [02:46:32] | vhann: | iamlindoro: Are there PCIE 1x versions of those Hauppauge cards? |
| [02:46:52] | iamlindoro: | vhann, The HVR-1800 exists and *mostly* works, but has driver issues and will not currently work for analog in myth |
| [02:47:29] | vhann: | iamlindoro: So those cards you recommend me are? PCI cards? |
| [02:47:38] | iamlindoro: | vhann, correct, PCI |
| [02:47:59] | vhann: | What's the maximum resolution I can get from a PCI tuner card? |
| [02:48:28] | vhann: | *Do you know what is... ? |
| [02:48:40] | iamlindoro: | the maximum resolution your box is going to output will be 720x480, so anything above is irrelevant |
| [02:48:53] | brutus: | i`ve managed finally to install mythtv on ubuntu :D |
| [02:49:07] | brutus: | ty guys |
| [02:56:53] | vhann: | iamlindoro: Is Hauppauge HVR-1600 less good than PVR-150 and/or PVR-500? |
| [02:57:08] | iamlindoro: | vhann, HVR-1600 is the replacement for the PVR-150 |
| [02:57:14] | vhann: | Because by the look of it the last two can't be bought anymore |
| [02:57:23] | vhann: | What do you mean 'replacement' ? |
| [02:57:31] | iamlindoro: | meaning it's the product that replaced it |
| [02:57:42] | iamlindoro: | the former are more well understood and the old standbys |
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| [02:59:24] | vhann: | English is not my main language as you may have guessed. What does "the old standbys" mean? |
| [02:59:42] | iamlindoro: | well understood, recommended, proven performers |
| [02:59:49] | vhann: | Ah ok |
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| [03:02:23] | vhann: | iamlindoro: If a choice must be made, which one is the best for me between the Hauppauge PVR-150 and the PVR-500? |
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| [03:02:42] | redparchel: | anybody using mythTwit? |
| [03:02:51] | iamlindoro: | the 500 = two capture devices, 150 = one |
| [03:02:56] | iamlindoro: | otherwise the same |
| [03:03:10] | vhann: | So I'll check for the 500 first ^^ |
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| [03:17:32] | wagnerrp: | mythtwit....? seriously...? |
| [03:20:18] | redparchel: | yes seriously .. its a great paging system for when your recordings are done .. i used it for almost 2 years .. i just formated my mythbox and apparentl the source isnt hosted anymore |
| [03:21:25] | iamlindoro: | the point of a DVR is not to need to know when things record, and to watch them on your schedule |
| [03:21:39] | wagnerrp: | i just dont see the point of making my actions available to the world at large |
| [03:21:48] | redparchel: | they don't need to be |
| [03:22:08] | wagnerrp: | when five minutes with some bash and a command line emailer can accomplish the same feat |
| [03:22:31] | iamlindoro: | or 40 or so characters in perl |
| [03:22:47] | redparchel: | sure it could ... and that will be my next option. |
| [03:22:50] | iamlindoro: | not that I wrote such a thing and posted it to the wiki as a joke, only to find a bunch of retards actually using |
| [03:22:54] | iamlindoro: | it |
| [03:23:06] | iamlindoro: | that would be silly |
| [03:23:17] | wagnerrp: | or youve got an ical feed for upcoming recordings |
| [03:23:43] | wagnerrp: | and an rss feed for recorded programs |
| [03:24:08] | wagnerrp: | it might be worthwhile to copy the rss code into the 'backend logs' page |
| [03:24:16] | wagnerrp: | kormoc could probably pull that off in a couple of minutes |
| [03:25:07] | redparchel: | there are many options, but for me mythtwit worked well, I'll just wrap up the twitter perl api into a userjob |
| [03:25:50] | iamlindoro: | some people can't take a hint |
| [03:25:59] | redparchel: | backend logs page? |
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| [03:26:16] | wagnerrp: | mythweb |
| [03:26:29] | ** iamlindoro clears his throat and tries again ** | |
| [03:26:36] | iamlindoro: | "<iamlindoro> not that I wrote such a thing and posted it to the wiki as a joke, only to find a bunch of retards actually using it" |
| [03:26:40] | wagnerrp: | mythtv does limited logging to the database, and mythweb has a viewer for it |
| [03:26:41] | iamlindoro: | COUGH COUGH |
| [03:27:04] | wagnerrp: | well the name alone should be a good enough hint of that |
| [03:27:17] | ** redparchel logs into mythweb ... look around ** | |
| [03:27:27] | iamlindoro: | *headdesk* |
| [03:27:39] | ** iamlindoro turns obvious up to 11 ** | |
| [03:27:44] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: actually, seems someone beat you to it by about 22 months |
| [03:27:49] | iamlindoro: | HEY I WROTE WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR, IT'S ON THE GOD DAMN WIKI |
| [03:28:00] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, meh, same POS idea |
| [03:28:41] | xris: | iamlindoro: language |
| [03:28:58] | ** iamlindoro selects english ** | |
| [03:29:13] | wagnerrp: | and then there was another 'statusosd.pl' on the wiki for twitter, from about 8 months ago |
| [03:29:14] | redparchel: | HA it seems you have. |
| [03:29:18] | ** xris recommends (english – profanity) ** | |
| [03:29:28] | iamlindoro: | Is there another kind? |
| [03:30:00] | wagnerrp: | 'english – profanity' is a subset of english, using only profanity to convey thoughts |
| [03:30:10] | iamlindoro: | I like it |
| [03:30:20] | iamlindoro: | just need the ISO639 code for it |
| [03:30:42] | wagnerrp: | my physics teacher used to do that |
| [03:30:52] | wagnerrp: | except of course high school teachers cant talk like that |
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| [03:31:21] | wagnerrp: | so it ended up just being exaggerated mumbling while he held erases in a menacing stance |
| [03:31:29] | wagnerrp: | erasers |
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| [03:34:12] | redparchel: | thanks for TRYING to not make me look retarded, but i guess i needed the blunt answer, it's been one of those days I'm sure you can relate |
| [03:34:21] | ** xris ponders how mythtv development (and other related apps) would count as "scientific research" for SD 501c3 app.... ** | |
| [03:34:57] | Dagmar: | redparchel: Don't let it bother you too terribly much. |
| [03:35:14] | Dagmar: | This is something that repeats itsemf dozens of times each week |
| [03:35:18] | Dagmar: | Without fail. |
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| [03:35:39] | redparchel: | Dagmar: of course not! |
| [03:35:44] | Dagmar: | We know search-engine-fu is a rarity |
| [03:35:45] | iamlindoro: | redparchel, I can relate, glad you found it in the end ;) |
| [03:36:02] | Dagmar: | All we can do is try new ways to encourage people to get it (and show them how to get it) |
| [03:36:14] | wagnerrp: | man, if only we had a webpage to put all this stuff on.... |
| [03:36:18] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [03:36:49] | redparchel: | and if only it had a "search" box where you could put in what you wanted and it would .. magically? ... return it in a nice list? |
| [03:36:59] | wagnerrp: | the fact that you have had mythtv functional for several years puts you heads above most people in here |
| [03:37:14] | wagnerrp: | theres at least a handful of people in here daily that dont even know mythtv documentation exists |
| [03:37:24] | wagnerrp: | yet somehow they manage to find the IRC channel |
| [03:37:26] | wagnerrp: | go figure... |
| [03:37:30] | redparchel: | HA! |
| [03:37:37] | Dagmar: | There's so much that _could_ be documented there's an ugly catch-22 |
| [03:38:04] | Dagmar: | Like, I could definitely sit down and document every little piece of the thing, including how to troubleshoot each piece on any platform... |
| [03:38:20] | Dagmar: | ...and 95% of the people would see it and say "WALL OF TEXT OMG" |
| [03:38:28] | wagnerrp: | im talking about things like... 'mythtv says i cannot connect to the database, what is a database' |
| [03:38:32] | Dagmar: | ...and they'd be at least half-right. |
| [03:39:00] | Dagmar: | Now, if we could ship say, a video DVD... |
| [03:39:03] | redparchel: | if i remember some of the docs a few years ago, it was on HUGE page w/ some html anchors |
| [03:39:21] | Dagmar: | Yeah but at least it was sequential |
| [03:39:22] | redparchel: | i dont think more people made it past the intro |
| [03:39:32] | redparchel: | true |
| [03:39:51] | Dagmar: | They get it into their heads that since TV is very much plug-n-play that anything connected to it must necessarily also be plug-n-play |
| [03:40:19] | wagnerrp: | yeah, luckily by the time i tried mythtv (early 06), gentoo had a full step-by-step guide to go off of |
| [03:40:33] | Dagmar: | ...which just isn't going to be the case for a long while. Particularly as long as myth is capable of handing more than a small number of input and storage mechanisms |
| [03:41:13] | redparchel: | gentoo mythtv was FUN right up to the lirc configuration |
| [03:41:25] | redparchel: | then it just got ... ugly |
| [03:41:40] | Dagmar: | LIRC is a bitch |
| [03:41:48] | Dagmar: | Kinda the same reasons as what I cited above |
| [03:41:48] | wagnerrp: | luckily both of my tuners at least have IR codes built into the drivers |
| [03:41:56] | wagnerrp: | i only needed the lircrc file |
| [03:42:05] | wagnerrp: | err... both of my remotes |
| [03:42:16] | Dagmar: | There's a jillion different remotes, no mechanism for autodetection worth messing with coding for, and many input devices as well |
| [03:43:05] | redparchel: | can we talk about how ubuntu handles it? lets just put every possiblity in to one GIANT config file .. |
| [03:43:27] | clever: | thats not what i saw last time |
| [03:43:34] | clever: | i had 200 tiny config files, 1 per remote |
| [03:43:36] | wagnerrp: | redparchel: i thought ubuntu had a bunch of individual files with includes |
| [03:43:42] | redparchel: | if your remote is at the bottom there is actually a lag between button presses |
| [03:43:47] | clever: | and the dpkg configure script used include's, like wagnerrp just said |
| [03:44:04] | Dagmar: | Yeah that was just a bad solution on their part |
| [03:44:47] | Dagmar: | Honestly going to that point, they could have just said "Okay. Now we want you to push a few buttons on the remote. Start by pressing PLAY. Now FFWD. Now the number 1. Now hold the power button down..." and just worked out which remote the user had by process of elimination |
| [03:45:33] | clever: | you could create a special remote definition file, which has the 'play' button from 200 remotes, and unique names for each code |
| [03:45:35] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: the Harmony remotes actually do something similar to that |
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| [03:45:49] | clever: | so it can pick up 'play' from 200 remotes at once, and know which one you used |
| [03:46:15] | Dagmar: | Yeah that's pretty much what they should have done, although it seems ugly I can think of no *simpler* way to go about it |
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| [03:46:40] | zugzug: | what is the hardware DVR that is OS independent? Haupage or something like that? |
| [03:46:56] | clever: | with a well crafted file like that, you can quickly deduce the exact remote the user is using with just a few buttons |
| [03:47:06] | zugzug: | I think it has dual tuners IIRC |
| [03:47:12] | Dagmar: | zugzug: None of them are OS-dependent than I'm aware of |
| [03:47:24] | wagnerrp: | zugzug: do you mean the HDHR? network attached tuner? |
| [03:47:26] | clever: | zugzug: HDHR i beleive is OS independent, ethernet based, dual digital capture |
| [03:47:32] | Dagmar: | ...aside from possibly you could apply that term to the ones that have zero support outside of Windows |
| [03:47:53] | zugzug: | yea |
| [03:48:06] | Dagmar: | Host independent |
| [03:49:03] | wagnerrp: | well its technically OS independent |
| [03:49:32] | Dagmar: | Yeah but it's on par with any other network device in that sense |
| [03:49:32] | wagnerrp: | the protocol is completely open, all you need is an OS that can handle the network traffic |
| [03:49:48] | Dagmar: | It would sound silly to say your Linksys router is "OS indenpendent" |
| [03:49:50] | wagnerrp: | which means support for 10/100 ethernet cards or better |
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| [03:51:56] | zugzug: | wow....It seems like this would be a really popular solution |
| [03:52:05] | zugzug: | no hardware/driver issues |
| [03:52:14] | Dagmar: | Yeah but it's got a steeply increased cost |
| [03:52:16] | wagnerrp: | zugzug: it would be, except for the price |
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| [03:52:30] | Dagmar: | ...and there's a lot of people who will bitch about even paying SchedulesDirect $20/year |
| [03:52:32] | zugzug: | how much is a dual tuner QAM card for linux? |
| [03:52:37] | wagnerrp: | i mean youre paying $60-$80/tuner |
| [03:53:04] | wagnerrp: | you can easily find single tuners running for $35-$50 |
| [03:53:20] | wagnerrp: | dual tuners usually start around $100 |
| [03:53:44] | wagnerrp: | the cheapest i have ever seen the HDHR for is $120 |
| [03:53:52] | zugzug: | that's not bad |
| [03:53:52] | redparchel: | wait people complain about paying for schedulesdirect? maybe it's good i don't come on here often |
| [03:53:57] | zugzug: | is it reliable? |
| [03:54:05] | wagnerrp: | on the other hand... it lets me use my freebsd file server as my primary backend |
| [03:54:16] | wagnerrp: | considering freebsd has hardly any tuner support |
| [03:54:36] | wagnerrp: | zugzug: some people have complained about needing to power cycle it occasionally |
| [03:54:44] | wagnerrp: | ive had once since november, and it has only hiccuped once |
| [03:54:46] | Dagmar: | Cuz you know... someone could take over the local broadcast station and use it to exploit your machine |
| [03:55:12] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: huh? |
| [03:55:20] | zugzug: | wagnerrp: that's what I'm doing. I don't want to combine my nas with my DVR. I follow KISS. Let the nas nas and the DVR DVR. It's more stable that way |
| [03:56:56] | wagnerrp: | zugzug: but i want to run my dvr on my 'nas'... considering my 'nas' already runs about half a dozen other servers, and probably weighs around 100lbs |
| [03:57:05] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: FreeBSD has this aversion to anything that could ever even remotely be considered a possible vulnerability vector |
| [03:57:19] | zugzug: | ummmmmm |
| [03:57:21] | zugzug: | large nas |
| [03:57:21] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: thats OpenBSD |
| [03:57:23] | zugzug: | what does it run? |
| [03:57:42] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: From where Linux generally stands, they're all three paranoid crazies |
| [03:57:46] | wagnerrp: | freebsd just lacks drivers, because no one has bothered to write them |
| [03:58:07] | wagnerrp: | there are drivers for the PVR line, but i cant get them to compile |
| [03:58:14] | zugzug: | last time I was on here people were telling me the mythtv backend is garbage on freebsd |
| [03:58:35] | wagnerrp: | mythbackend runs just fine on freebsd |
| [03:58:46] | wagnerrp: | but as i said, the problem is near complete lack of tuner cards |
| [04:01:15] | wagnerrp: | anyway, my 'nas' is a big heavy steel double-wide tower, with 16 hard drives |
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| [04:07:23] | abarbaccia: | sphery: sorry i left there for a bit (fell asleep). can you let me know what logs you wanted to look at for the compiler error? i can generate them for you tomorrow. private msg me please! |
| [04:07:49] | Dagmar: | The output of the attempted compile. |
| [04:08:00] | Dagmar: | i.e., `make 2>&1 | tee buildlog.txt` |
| [04:08:08] | abarbaccia: | Dagmar: he said he needed full compile logs – is that all? |
| [04:08:16] | Dagmar: | Yes. |
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| [04:08:30] | sphery: | abarbaccia: yeah, but this time, I need you to do a make clean first |
| [04:08:38] | Dagmar: | That's basically all you have to do--redirect the output through a pipe so that it makes a text file copy of everything it said as it compiled. |
| [04:08:40] | abarbaccia: | make distclean good? |
| [04:08:40] | sphery: | I need the compile portion as well as the link part |
| [04:08:48] | sphery: | make distclean is even better. |
| [04:09:01] | Dagmar: | make distclean should kill the problem |
| [04:09:04] | sphery: | It will be a large log file, but you should be able to find a site to post it |
| [04:09:14] | abarbaccia: | pastebin |
| [04:09:14] | sphery: | he already did a make distclean and it didn't fix it :) |
| [04:09:23] | Dagmar: | I'm not sure how that's even possible tho |
| [04:09:29] | sphery: | yeah, if pastebin doesn't allow something that long, let me know |
| [04:09:36] | Dagmar: | ...not unless something's triggering a linking bug |
| [04:09:50] | sphery: | Dagmar: the error he's getting may actually be due to an invalid C++ construct |
| [04:09:56] | Dagmar: | Could be |
| [04:10:03] | abarbaccia: | omg. i might have found a REAL bug |
| [04:10:09] | abarbaccia: | woot! |
| [04:10:21] | Dagmar: | The kind of bug that kills civilizations |
| [04:10:24] | sphery: | and some linkers may be more strict about it than others (like mine) |
| [04:11:14] | Dagmar: | You didn't start naming new libraries after alphabet letters did you? |
| [04:11:36] | Dagmar: | I had an instructor once who was in a bit of a hurry and made liba.so, libb.so... |
| [04:11:44] | abarbaccia: | 99% of my errors are usually found between the chair and the keyboard |
| [04:11:51] | Dagmar: | The next bit I think you can guess |
| [04:12:22] | clever: | Dagmar: forgot which one was which? |
| [04:12:29] | clever: | or did he screw up libc? :P |
| [04:12:40] | Dagmar: | clever: He went on to make a third library |
| [04:12:48] | clever: | oh boy |
| [04:12:56] | abarbaccia: | http://pastebin.com/m200527a6 |
| [04:14:02] | Dagmar: | Yeah he facepalmed over that |
| [04:14:55] | Dagmar: | OKay yeah THAT's why I was slightly hinting at the exact error earlier |
| [04:15:03] | Dagmar: | This is definitely a C++ eff up, i.e., "just a bug" |
| [04:17:59] | wagnerrp: | is that a C++ error? or is that trying to link against the wrong libraries? |
| [04:18:19] | wagnerrp: | abarbaccia: uninstall the current version, and try building again |
| [04:19:12] | abarbaccia: | wagnerrp: i don't believe anything is installed currently |
| [04:19:30] | abarbaccia: | i have removed all packages, and all installed files |
| [04:19:51] | wagnerrp: | do a 'make uninstall' just to make sure |
| [04:20:28] | Dagmar: | Now, ccache might be screwing things up |
| [04:20:40] | Dagmar: | ...but that's a guess based on my unfamiliarity with ccache |
| [04:21:01] | Dagmar: | ...but starting at line 1541 what I'm seeing is definitely just a programming error |
| [04:22:11] | wagnerrp: | there was some refactoring of the ProgramInfo stuff |
| [04:22:15] | wagnerrp: | this may be related to that |
| [04:22:15] | abarbaccia: | wagnerrp: i did that multiple times before (this is day 2 of trying to compile). there is nothing installed on my system as of now. |
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| [04:22:29] | abarbaccia: | wagnerrp: i agree – it was building last week... |
| [04:22:36] | wagnerrp: | what revision are you running? |
| [04:23:08] | Dagmar: | Looks like trunk to me |
| [04:23:17] | wagnerrp: | ...revision |
| [04:23:29] | abarbaccia: | 21505 |
| [04:23:43] | abarbaccia: | 21506, sorry. |
| [04:24:18] | wagnerrp: | ok, all the tinkering should have been over and done with quite a ways back |
| [04:26:22] | wagnerrp: | youre already into compiling the frontend... that will take a bit of time for me to get that far |
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| [04:27:44] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: both sphery and I compiled the same revision just fine, FYI |
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| [04:28:08] | wagnerrp: | well nevermind that then.... |
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| [04:28:12] | kormoc: | and we really should see your ./configure options as well |
| [04:28:22] | abarbaccia: | i just run ./configure |
| [04:28:24] | kormoc: | abarbaccia: ^^ |
| [04:28:29] | abarbaccia: | anything else you need more than that? |
| [04:28:35] | kormoc: | pastebin the entire output from that |
| [04:29:34] | abarbaccia: | http://pastebin.com/m66c387ce |
| [04:30:01] | kyler: | Alrighty, I've gone back to old backups and am taking another swipe at upgrading the schema. First failure: http://lairds.us/temp/mythtv/log-2009082401.txt |
| [04:30:33] | kormoc: | kyler: what distro? |
| [04:30:33] | sphery: | yeah, I'm 99% positive this is just a super-picky linker that's upset because we're violating: http://gcc.gnu.org/faq.html#vtables |
| [04:30:54] | kyler: | kormoc: Ubuntu Karmic but I'm using svn from today |
| [04:31:18] | kormoc: | SHOW CREATE TABLE housekeeping |
| [04:32:00] | kormoc: | ooh |
| [04:32:10] | kormoc: | that's from a invalid hostname being used previously |
| [04:32:14] | sphery: | kyler: did you, by any chance do a "backup" by copying the binary MySQL files? |
| [04:32:20] | sphery: | (MySQL data files) |
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| [04:32:30] | sphery: | or did you do a proper (SQL-based) backup |
| [04:32:56] | kyler: | http://lairds.us/temp/mythtv/housekeeping.txt |
| [04:33:07] | kormoc: | SELECT * FROM housekeeping; |
| [04:33:25] | kyler: | sphery: These are the binary copies. I tried using the dumps earlier and that didn't work at all. |
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| [04:33:46] | sphery: | I wouldn't trust binary copies |
| [04:34:44] | kyler: | It's not pretty...http://lairds.us/temp/mythtv/housekeeping.txt |
| [04:34:52] | kormoc: | Yeah, that's a corrupt table there |
| [04:35:05] | kyler: | sphery: Yeah, binary copies aren't my favorite either. |
| [04:35:18] | Dagmar: | Binary dumps are generally unsafe unless you plan on never changing the system |
| [04:35:30] | abarbaccia: | im going through and finding any left over libmyth* files and manually removing them |
| [04:35:35] | sphery: | kormoc: he's querying a varbinary table because that's part way into the UTF-8 conversion |
| [04:35:45] | Dagmar: | Oh god |
| [04:35:50] | Dagmar: | The conversion crashed? |
| [04:35:54] | sphery: | yeah |
| [04:36:15] | Dagmar: | I don't suppose there's any chance he could restore the last backup before that and start it over... |
| [04:36:25] | sphery: | abarbaccia: left over libmyth* files can actually cause the error we're seeing |
| [04:36:29] | kyler: | Note that the table was the same when I ran it originally – not from backups. |
| [04:36:35] | wagnerrp: | the schema update *should* make a backup before doing anything |
| [04:36:40] | sphery: | abarbaccia: I didn't think you had any since you said you hadn't installed mythtv yet |
| [04:36:52] | abarbaccia: | sphery: when u said it was a linking problem and u were able to build, i figured it was probably something sloppy on my end |
| [04:36:55] | abarbaccia: | that's what is odd |
| [04:36:59] | abarbaccia: | i didn't install myth yet |
| [04:37:06] | abarbaccia: | on a VM i was testing |
| [04:37:08] | abarbaccia: | same error. |
| [04:37:08] | kormoc: | kyler: well, so to be blunt here, your data is all suspect and is unlikely to be valid |
| [04:37:09] | kyler: | wagnerrp: It did. I tried using it (late last night – I've slept since) and it didn't work but I could try again. |
| [04:37:09] | sphery: | kyler: can you re-restore the pre-upgrade backup (whatever you have) and then repeat those commands kormoc gave you, please? |
| [04:37:19] | kyler: | sphery: Will do. |
| [04:37:30] | Dagmar: | abarbaccia: Yeah I'm really pretty sure it's not a stale library installed in /usr/lib screwing things up |
| [04:37:38] | Dagmar: | The error you get from that is quite different |
| [04:37:54] | abarbaccia: | okay, well im testing the build right now and we'll see what the outcome is.. |
| [04:37:54] | kyler: | sphery: The upshot is that I can get the backend working great (recording and all). |
| [04:37:58] | Dagmar: | The words you used earlier this afternoon wwere more in line with the other kind of error which is why we jumped on "run make clean!" |
| [04:38:02] | sphery: | kyler: how big is your non-binary backup (and if compressed, what compression)? |
| [04:38:18] | kormoc: | kyler: that you know of, to be fair, you likely haven't really vetted all the data |
| [04:38:53] | Dagmar: | abarbaccia: For reference, look at this URL http://osdir.com/ml/drivers.unichrome.user/2005-04/msg00217.html |
| [04:39:05] | Dagmar: | THAT is the type of error you get from stale libraries in /usr/lib getting in the way |
| [04:39:23] | kyler: | kormoc: Sure. It ran a couple days and has been recording what I want. That's been nice. |
| [04:39:24] | Dagmar: | A key clue being "../../libs/libmythtv/libmythtv-0.17.so: undefined reference to |
| [04:39:24] | Dagmar: | `XvMCGetSurfaceStatus' |
| [04:39:39] | Dagmar: | Note that the origin is a shared object library, and it's talking about specific symbols |
| [04:40:21] | Dagmar: | Yours is coming from an object file, but is referencing distinct function calls in groups |
| [04:40:48] | abarbaccia: | well, it just built lol |
| [04:41:04] | Dagmar: | That's either ccache pulling a stunt and resurrecting old pieces, or a scoping error that the compiler doesn't like one bit (and I have not a clue how to fix) |
| [04:41:10] | Dagmar: | Awesome |
| [04:41:28] | Dagmar: | Did you run make clean earlier and distclean this time? |
| [04:41:32] | Dagmar: | What did you do differently? |
| [04:41:46] | abarbaccia: | i removed all the old libraries manually from /usr/lib/libmyth* |
| [04:41:57] | abarbaccia: | and /usr/share/lib/libmyth* |
| [04:42:02] | abarbaccia: | make distclean |
| [04:42:04] | kyler: | I've restored from an upgrade backup. I think it's a slightly different one than I used before. (There was one that was uncompressed.) housekeeping looks good. Rerunning upgrade... |
| [04:42:25] | Dagmar: | Hmm... I'll have to turn on ccache here later and see if it does something different between clean and distclean |
| [04:42:46] | Dagmar: | I should really learn how to use it, but I don't care enough. I have plenty of megahurts to go 'round. :) |
| [04:43:10] | RyeBrye: | ccache really shouldn't. it takes a hash of the preprocessed source and uses that to retrieve the precompiled (cached) version. the likelihood of a cache collission is incredibly low |
| [04:43:15] | kyler: | Ug. No I think this was a later backup. It was already at 1238. |
| [04:43:52] | Dagmar: | Yeah but we're also talking about build files that involve moc |
| [04:43:54] | Dagmar: | ...and moc is evil |
| [04:44:04] | Dagmar: | evil! *shakesfist* |
| [04:44:10] | sphery: | kyler: assuming you were upgrading from -fixes, you should have a 1214 backup somewhere |
| [04:44:32] | sphery: | ideally one that was made before every trying to upgrade your database |
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| [04:45:39] | abarbaccia: | <-- really happy this problem is sorted out. thanks sphery Dagmar wagnerrp and everyone else |
| [04:45:43] | kyler: | sphery: Yup, that sure sees like a reasonable thing to expect but I don't see any where the others were. Looking... |
| [04:46:31] | kyler: | The 1238s were in my recordings directory. I wonder if the 1214s went elsewhere? |
| [04:47:18] | sphery: | abarbaccia: you got it working? |
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| [04:48:01] | abarbaccia: | sphery: yes! manually removed some random leftover libmyth libraries |
| [04:48:34] | sphery: | kyler: 1238 is post-upgrade, 1214 is -fixes, 1216, IIRC, is the first part of the utf8 conversion. In your logs, you see things like: /mnt/store/MythTV/recordings/mythconverg-1214–20090825002638.sql.gz |
| [04:48:59] | sphery: | abarbaccia: good |
| [04:49:11] | abarbaccia: | alright im off to sleep |
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| [04:50:10] | wagnerrp: | so it was just a linking error? he had old libraries installed? |
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| [04:50:30] | Dagmar: | Honestly, I dunno |
| [04:50:37] | Dagmar: | We kept getting vague information from him |
| [04:50:51] | kyler: | sphery: Hmmm...you're right. I see it in the log but it's not in the file system. That's scary. |
| [04:50:55] | Dagmar: | The error looked like just broken C++ to me |
| [04:51:07] | Dagmar: | ...but hey if it works now who cares |
| [04:51:55] | sphery: | kyler: you're looking on the right machine, right? (the one that's running mythbackend/doing the upgrade) |
| [04:52:11] | kyler: | sphery: Yup. Unfortunately. |
| [04:55:10] | kyler: | sphery: So do I have a chance of just fixing whatever table is causing fits for ProgramInfo? |
| [04:59:02] | scan_away is now known as scan | |
| [05:00:50] | kyler: | sphery: Ah! I did do a dump manually when I ran into my first problem (1216). I had to filter out the recordedseek entries to get it to load but I'm running the schema update on it now. |
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| [05:02:19] | kyler: | This is looking familiar again. http://lairds.us/temp/mythtv/log-2009082402.txt |
| [05:05:00] | sphery: | kyler: without a /good/ pre-upgrade backup, there's not much you can do |
| [05:06:27] | sphery: | kyler: at /minimum/ if you can't get a good pre-upgrade backup to restore, you should backup your upgraded/trunk DB ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ), then drop the DB, then do a partial restore (without plugin data) ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . _of_a_backup ) |
| [05:06:39] | sphery: | kyler: that will basically minimize the amount of corruption in your DB |
| [05:07:31] | kyler: | sphery: I went through that last night. I'll take another pass at it. Thanks. |
| [05:09:41] | sphery: | well, if you've done it once and it didn't help, then it probably won't help this time, either. |
| [05:10:50] | kyler: | sphery: I'm still boggled by the mismatch between the backend and the frontend. The protocol really relies on the database schema? There's so much hardcoding that I really wouldn't expect that. |
| [05:11:12] | kormoc: | Yeah, if the database schema is broken, the protocol is broken |
| [05:11:40] | kormoc: | and any other frontend clones would likely break in the same way, as it's speced to |
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| [05:12:08] | kyler: | kormoc: It's fairly straightforward to find recordings without resulting to talking with the backend. |
| [05:12:14] | kyler: | resorting |
| [05:12:29] | kyler: | I'm gettin' tired... |
| [05:12:42] | wagnerrp: | kyler: we want people to talk to the backend, without resorting to search through the database |
| [05:13:00] | kormoc: | the whole point of the frontend is more then just recordings, it's the comm flagging, seek table markups, etc |
| [05:13:05] | kyler: | wagnerrp: It's a fragile system. |
| [05:13:05] | wagnerrp: | and using neither isnt an option, because then you just get a channel id and a start time |
| [05:13:16] | wagnerrp: | no metadata |
| [05:13:20] | kormoc: | a frontend that only supports recordings... might as well use mythlink.pl or whatever it's called this week |
| [05:13:45] | kormoc: | kyler: only when your database is broken. You happened to have corrupted a enterprise level data store and you call it fragile.... |
| [05:14:44] | kyler: | kormoc: Well...the upgrade process did it. I was "hands off" on the database for all the years it's been running. |
| [05:14:49] | kormoc: | not true |
| [05:15:02] | kormoc: | the upgrade process noticed the corruption, but it's been corrupt for a long time |
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| [05:16:11] | kyler: | Sure. So my options now are start over or learn enough about Myth to push the schema into compliance |
| [05:16:32] | kormoc: | if you brute force it, you'll run into issues later, unless you get *extremely* lucky and get it all |
| [05:20:47] | kormoc: | what I would do is dump oldrecord with mysqldump -c -f -t --skip-opt and do a completely clean re-install and once it's up to now, restore the *data* only, not the schema |
| [05:21:05] | kyler: | kormoc: That's what I'm doing now. |
| [05:22:50] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_File_Parsing (Someone will eventually need this info in channel once we release) |
| [05:22:54] | iamlindoro: | and now, adieu |
| [05:23:20] | juski: | damnit. ran out of keys to program bookmarks into irssi :P |
| [05:28:55] | kyler: | kormoc: BTW, I started over with a fresh database and still got the strange program listing. At least it was _supposed_ to be empty this time but it still had the printf stuff at the bottom. http://lairds.us/temp/mythtv/2009-08-23-231828_800x600_scrot.png |
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| [05:29:55] | kormoc: | that might be a theme issue, as only terra and graphite are supported with -trunk |
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| [05:31:20] | sphery: | then again, it could be a mythui issue as I doubt those screens have been tested much if at all with completely empty db's |
| [05:31:25] | kyler: | I have "Terra (Widescreen) |
| [05:31:27] | sphery: | most devs, it seems, have recordings. :) |
| [05:31:42] | kyler: | "Blue" and "G.A.N.T." |
| [05:32:11] | sphery: | kyler: I'll try running with a completely empty DB, tomorrow. |
| [05:33:09] | kyler: | sphery: I tried Blue. The "Watch Recordings" screen looks nearly identical. |
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| [05:33:59] | sphery: | So, every single time I see a post from a certain user on the -users list, I think of Michael from Lost: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv |
| [05:34:12] | sphery: | ref: http://www.tv.com/lost/meet-kevin-johnson/epi . . . uide;summary |
| [05:34:31] | sphery: | kyler: Blue and G.A.N.T are 2 different names for "default" :) |
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| [05:34:56] | kyler: | Blue looks a lot different on the other pages. |
| [05:35:15] | sphery: | kyler: and I have it on good authority that it is almost certainly just a theme issue |
| [05:35:38] | kyler: | sphery: In case one of us wanders off to bed/coma soon, thanks for the help tonight. |
| [05:35:49] | sphery: | kyler: for the most part Blue and G.A.N.T both fall back to default for their theme stuff |
| [05:36:05] | sphery: | there are some differences, but not much |
| [05:36:15] | sphery: | you're welcome. |
| [05:36:24] | sphery: | sorry I couldn't give you a procedure to fix the data |
| [05:37:26] | sphery: | though, if it helps any, I think I'll be sending something to the list reminding people that when Myth upgrades the DB it makes a DB backup and that if /anything/ at all goes wrong during the upgrade they need to save a copy of the /original/ backup made before /any/ upgrades were attempted. |
| [05:37:38] | sphery: | So, you may just save some other users a lot of trouble. :) |
| [05:38:20] | kyler: | sphery: I'm alright with having it recording well for now. I need to get a better playback system than manually poking mysql but that's alright. |
| [05:38:56] | kyler: | (It would have been tragic to miss all the TV shows on tonight!) |
| [05:41:29] | kyler: | I've been meaning to create a kiosk-like frontend for Myth or a Miro-Myth bridge of some sort. Maybe this will kick my butt into starting it. Maybe. |
| [05:42:16] | sphery: | kyler: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6825 ? |
| [05:43:43] | kyler: | sphery: Yikes! Scary. I recall someone else asking for that a long time ago and he was ridiculed. Now, however, I'm thinking I want to go the other way and have Myth feed Miro. Not sure. I'll watch. Thanks. |
| [05:44:54] | kyler: | That _is_ cool looking. I'd use it on my home system in a heartbeat. |
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| [05:46:48] | wagnerrp: | kyler: what would miro-bridge have to do with a kiosk computer? |
| [05:47:59] | kyler: | wagnerrp: I want users to be able to play recordings without a lot of other capabilities. I'd like to funnel everything through Miro as an easily-administered gateway. |
| [05:48:17] | wagnerrp: | miro-bridge is intended to go the other direction |
| [05:48:30] | wagnerrp: | dump miro streaming content into mythtv |
| [05:48:36] | kyler: | wagnerrp: Yup. I like the idea of having it at home though. |
| [05:49:07] | kyler: | When I started using Miro (DemocracyPlayer) I longed for it to be integrated into Myth. |
| [05:50:39] | kyler: | A future project for me is likely to be a big screen that students control from their phones. |
| [05:51:22] | wagnerrp: | depending on the phone, that could be fairly easy |
| [05:51:49] | wagnerrp: | there are some custom remote controls being developed for various smartphones that access the frontend socket interface |
| [05:52:09] | wagnerrp: | of course do understand that myth has NO security on any of this stuff |
| [05:52:14] | kyler: | wagnerrp: The policy decisions aren't so easy but the technical side doesn't feel too daunting. |
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| [06:46:03] | wagnerrp: | awww WTF |
| [06:46:22] | clever: | you discovered my P2 400mhz can actualy play tv? |
| [06:46:30] | wagnerrp: | im editing some recording for comm-cutting |
| [06:46:39] | wagnerrp: | and i get some funky frame just after the commercial break |
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| [06:49:31] | Dagmar: | Yepyepyep |
| [06:49:38] | Dagmar: | wrongchan |
| [06:51:05] | wagnerrp: | http://www.wagnerrp.com/wtf.jpg |
| [06:51:17] | wagnerrp: | seriously, wtf is that screen |
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| [06:51:44] | Dagmar: | Internal stuff |
| [06:51:52] | wagnerrp: | i wasnt even recording CSI: Miami, i was recording The Big Bang Theory |
| [06:51:57] | Dagmar: | Networks ratehr frequently ship otu programming to affiliates like that |
| [06:52:11] | Dagmar: | You should have never actualy seen that screen |
| [06:52:28] | wagnerrp: | i sure as hell didnt want to see that screen |
| [06:52:32] | Dagmar: | Well, yeah |
| [06:52:43] | kormoc: | Well, now we must kill you in a fire for seeing that screen |
| [06:52:55] | Dagmar: | We used to get all sorts of things early by watching undocumented "wild feeds" on big dish |
| [06:53:02] | kormoc: | and we'll need logs of everyone who clicked on that link |
| [06:53:06] | ** kormoc eyes the channel ** | |
| [06:53:23] | Dagmar: | Here's my log |
| [06:53:34] | Dagmar: | ..!., |
| [06:53:58] | kormoc: | and here I thought you'd toss over a big steamy one |
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| [06:54:26] | clever: | wagnerrp: lol |
| [06:54:37] | sphery: | I saw it. And I've seen similar screens in 2 other recordings, before. Does that mean you're going to kill me 3 times? |
| [06:54:46] | kormoc: | yes |
| [06:54:51] | Dagmar: | Wow. Digital stations are messing that up? |
| [06:54:52] | ** kormoc gets out the can of gas ** | |
| [06:54:53] | wagnerrp: | how about the grande? http://www.dogdoo.com/PooPooGrande.asp |
| [06:55:09] | sphery: | One of my 2 other times was standard def |
| [06:55:38] | Dagmar: | Usually they're so pressed for space to wedge more commercials in you never see those |
| [06:56:05] | wagnerrp: | well before that shot, i had a few seconds of the SD feed after coming out of commercials |
| [06:56:19] | wagnerrp: | after that, it was in HD |
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| [06:57:38] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: do you have any key delay built into the direct socket control in mythweb? |
| [06:57:45] | kormoc: | nope |
| [06:57:51] | kormoc: | should I? |
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| [06:58:02] | matt2154: | Hi there, is it possible to watch recorded shows at less than full screen? My CPU can't handle 1280x1024 |
| [06:58:20] | wagnerrp: | im finding that the little python program i have runs too fast |
| [06:58:25] | sphery: | matt2154: scaling the video takes virtually no resources--it's all done on the video card |
| [06:58:37] | wagnerrp: | i dont ask for another keypress until ive sent the previous one to the socket |
| [06:58:41] | sphery: | matt2154: decoding the video is CPU intensive |
| [06:58:42] | kormoc: | matt2154: it'd only make it worse, as the decoding is the cpu costly part, and you'd just be decoding + scaling rather decoding |
| [06:58:50] | kormoc: | *rather then just decoding |
| [06:58:52] | sphery: | matt2154: what's the source type? |
| [06:58:53] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: hrm |
| [06:58:53] | matt2154: | sphery: unfortunately i have an old nvidia, so my cpu is doing all of the work... |
| [06:58:59] | wagnerrp: | but i find i can press right for a couple seconds, and it will keep skipping right for half a minute |
| [06:59:17] | sphery: | matt2154: if you have Xv, your GPU is doing all of the scaling |
| [06:59:22] | wagnerrp: | just wondering if you'd noticed similar behavior |
| [06:59:24] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: you running HEAD (or close to HEAD)? |
| [06:59:41] | sphery: | matt2154: Xv has been around for 15 (?) years |
| [06:59:42] | wagnerrp: | close to, built on saturday i think |
| [07:00:06] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: mythweb's remote now has a interactive mode, when enabled, we capture all keypresses rather then having to click on things to send the keys |
| [07:00:08] | wagnerrp: | which means its probably only ~100 commits behind... :P |
| [07:00:22] | sphery: | d'oh... July 1991, so it's been around for 18 yrs |
| [07:00:23] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: if you don't mind, give that a go and see if it has the same lag issue, is worse, or better? |
| [07:01:21] | matt2154: | sphery: well xvinfo does return me values, but I'm still incredibly stuttery when watching. The recordings havent been transcoded, so they are still in .nuv format. They were recorded off an ATI TV-wonder (bttv framegrabber). |
| [07:01:25] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: well what im saying is that at least in the python script that does the same thing, when you hold a key and it auto-repeats, it runs far too fast for the frontend |
| [07:01:30] | wagnerrp: | checking mythweb now... |
| [07:01:52] | sphery: | matt2154: so they're standard definition? What processor type? |
| [07:02:18] | wagnerrp: | its not letting me select the proper frontend |
| [07:02:24] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [07:02:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, clicking on the left side buttons do nothing |
| [07:02:54] | sphery: | matt2154: standard def MPEG-4 decoding would probably require at least a 1GHz P4 or Athlon CPU but would be better with something in the 1.5GHz range. |
| [07:03:06] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [07:03:15] | matt2154: | sphery: if I watch the file with mplayer at native resolution, it is very nice and smooth. Yes, SD, and dmesg reports a Pentium 4 1.80GHz stepping 2. |
| [07:03:16] | sphery: | and, of course, would only work with proper Xv support |
| [07:03:24] | kormoc: | so after clicking on the left button and then a keyboard button, it claims no FE was selected? |
| [07:03:35] | sphery: | matt2154: good news, then, we can make it work! :D |
| [07:03:49] | matt2154: | sphery: excellent, I'm new, any advice would be welcomed :) |
| [07:04:08] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: no... but its stuck on the frontend it connected to initially |
| [07:04:13] | wagnerrp: | it wont let me select another frontend |
| [07:04:13] | sphery: | matt2154: So, I will lay odds that if you go into Utilities/Setup|Setup|TV Settings and change the Playback Profile group from CPU+ to Slim (on the 3rd screen), it will work like a charm |
| [07:04:20] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: hrm. That's... odd... |
| [07:04:25] | wagnerrp: | turning off plugins to see what happens.... |
| [07:05:46] | matt2154: | sphery: I was using CPU--, let me try switching it to "slim" |
| [07:05:56] | wagnerrp: | firefox 3.5, no plugins... same behavior |
| [07:06:11] | wagnerrp: | im showing POST hits in the logs |
| [07:06:14] | wagnerrp: | so its doing something |
| [07:06:41] | sphery: | matt2154: are you using a PVR-350 for TV out? |
| [07:06:50] | wagnerrp: | im not showing any errors in the log |
| [07:07:02] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [07:07:26] | sphery: | matt2154: I'm guessing no since you mentioned an nvidia video card, but if so, it may be the source of some issues |
| [07:07:39] | wagnerrp: | well now something is borked |
| [07:07:57] | wagnerrp: | --version is reporting rev 20721, but protocol 48 |
| [07:08:04] | wagnerrp: | on the frontend in question |
| [07:08:21] | wagnerrp: | of course i cant switch between either of the other two frontends anyway |
| [07:08:58] | matt2154: | sphery: no, i'm using an nvidia and ouputting directly to an 19" LCD. That made it look much smoother. Still very artifacty though... I would still prefer to have it output at native resolution or max 1.5 scaling |
| [07:09:35] | matt2154: | sphery: nvidia NV6 Vanta/Vanta LT according to lspci |
| [07:10:04] | wagnerrp: | wow, a Vanta |
| [07:10:23] | kormoc: | matt2154: change the X resolution, and you're gonna get a bit of nast artifacts due to it being a frame grabber |
| [07:10:30] | matt2154: | yeah, it is the onboard in this compaq evo slim pc |
| [07:10:42] | wagnerrp: | i remember complaining about having to use one of those for a dual opty workstation at school, like 5 years ago |
| [07:11:26] | matt2154: | kormoc: are you suggesting changing my desktop resolution? |
| [07:11:31] | kormoc: | yes |
| [07:11:31] | sphery: | matt2154: so, I'm guessing it's not the nvidia proprietary drivers? |
| [07:11:37] | wagnerrp: | ok... switching addons back on |
| [07:11:44] | wagnerrp: | lets see if firebug can make some sense of this |
| [07:12:04] | wagnerrp: | oh wait! it connected to the right one from the start |
| [07:12:05] | sphery: | matt2154: once you get it working, you can tell Myth to switch resolutions for video playback |
| [07:12:35] | wagnerrp: | well... the correct one is highlighted |
| [07:12:40] | wagnerrp: | but its not actually doing anything |
| [07:12:50] | matt2154: | sphery: yeah, nvidia's proprietary drivers dont support this card anymore. blah blah blah blobs are evil :) |
| [07:13:01] | wagnerrp: | neither in manual nor interactive mode |
| [07:13:04] | sphery: | then you can have a nice high-res menu (at LCD's native res) and then output to the LCD at the video resolution and use the LCD's scaler, instead |
| [07:13:13] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: hrm. that's odd, I can't duplicate |
| [07:13:22] | Dagmar: | Right so... |
| [07:13:23] | sphery: | matt2154: though I'd wager that the video card's scaler will be just as good or better than the LCD's |
| [07:13:27] | Dagmar: | I'm a bit of a chauvanist pig |
| [07:13:42] | Dagmar: | This is NSFW, but not by much http://www.bannedinhollywood.com/jemaine-clem . . . nted-wobble/ |
| [07:13:51] | Dagmar: | ...but it's glorious |
| [07:13:53] | sphery: | matt2154: IMHO, your best bet is to run MythTV (GUI's and video playback) at the LCD's native resolution |
| [07:14:05] | Dagmar: | 99 cents hasn't spent so well since there were peep shows |
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| [07:16:48] | wagnerrp: | i knew there had to be *some* good use for that motion sensor |
| [07:17:32] | Dagmar: | It's so *simple* and yet so *effective* |
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| [07:18:51] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: is it possible im missing some python library? |
| [07:18:53] | matt2154_: | I got dropped there for a minute... last I heard was " once you get it working, you can tell Myth to switch resolutions for video playback" |
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| [07:19:06] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: doubtful |
| [07:19:18] | wagnerrp: | this web server is running in a rather stripped down standbox |
| [07:19:24] | wagnerrp: | but it has a standard perl install |
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| [07:19:34] | wagnerrp: | i would imagine if the backend communications were working |
| [07:19:40] | wagnerrp: | the frontend comms would as well |
| [07:19:53] | sphery: | matt2154_: 08.25 03:13:04 <+sphery> then you can have a nice high-res menu (at LCD's native res) and then output to the LCD at the video resolution and use the LCD's scaler, instead |
| [07:19:57] | sphery: | 08.25 03:13:23 <+sphery> matt2154: though I'd wager that the video card's scaler will be just as good or better than the LCD's |
| [07:20:13] | sphery: | 08.25 03:13:52 <+sphery> matt2154: IMHO, your best bet is to run MythTV (GUI's and video playback) at the LCD's native resolution |
| [07:21:21] | kormoc: | depending on the LCD, you might be able to run it in non-scaler mode, and it'll just display it smaller with black borders |
| [07:21:34] | kormoc: | sphery: he did request no/limited scaling |
| [07:21:56] | matt2154_: | kormoc: this display doesnt allow non-scaled. It is an HP1955. |
| [07:22:29] | kormoc: | I think you're SOL then |
| [07:22:40] | matt2154_: | sphery: I think I missed a conversation fragment. What did you say before "then you can have a nice high-res menu..." |
| [07:23:17] | Dagmar: | How can that display not allow non-scaled video? |
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| [07:23:38] | Dagmar: | You mean to say if it's sent 1280x1024 from the video card, it'll refuse to display it? |
| [07:23:54] | sphery: | but to do non-scaling, he'd have to do 640x480 res for recording (to make it 4:3 with square pixels) and then he'd have a tiny window in the center 1/4 of the 19" screen |
| [07:23:59] | wagnerrp: | it maybe stretches all video to the full screen |
| [07:24:03] | matt2154_: | No, I mean to say, if I send it 800x600, it will scale it up internally and still display it across 19 inches |
| [07:24:22] | Dagmar: | Okay, so that's fine then |
| [07:24:29] | Dagmar: | The menus will look much better at native res |
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| [07:25:03] | Dagmar: | ...and frankly X will probably do a better job of upscaling |
| [07:25:26] | Dagmar: | It's sort of down to personal taste, since monitors tend to not induce freaking lag when they rescale |
| [07:25:32] | Dagmar: | Televisions are hateful about it |
| [07:25:34] | clever: | i find that my tvout looks worse if i set the res to something close to sdtv |
| [07:25:56] | matt2154_: | So, is it possible to have it non-scaled and letterboxed so to speak? |
| [07:26:00] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: it seems to be doing something... clicking the button killed my other socket interface |
| [07:26:04] | clever: | looks better if i set the res high and let the nvidia board downscale it |
| [07:26:06] | sphery: | yeah, tv out would, but I'll bet he's using VGA out since he's going to a monitor |
| [07:26:07] | Dagmar: | matt2154_: It darn well *should* |
| [07:26:10] | sphery: | (or DVI) |
| [07:26:35] | wagnerrp: | frontend logs reported a connection |
| [07:26:52] | Dagmar: | matt2154_: Let's put it this way, if someone in a business environment used a black background and the thing scaled their display up so that the windows bar FILLED the screen, they'd throw it out |
| [07:27:04] | sphery: | matt2154_: closest you could do with Myth is tell Myth to use a window of size 640x480 and record at 640x480 |
| [07:27:21] | sphery: | though scaling should /not/ be the weak link in your chain |
| [07:27:25] | Dagmar: | It should _not_ get the idea that output from the video card at 1280x1024 should need rescaling just because there's letterboxing |
| [07:27:29] | sphery: | the NTSC signal source is the weak link |
| [07:27:59] | Dagmar: | By now I'm real sure that Myth does the right thing about that |
| [07:28:15] | matt2154_: | sphery: and since you had me change my playback profile to "slim", my problem is no longer with a pegged cpu. Now, the issue is that it is captured via an analog card at a low res |
| [07:28:27] | Dagmar: | I've got several off widescreen things, and a boatload of 4:3 recordings with letterboxing going on |
| [07:28:32] | matt2154_: | sphery: Displaying it so blown up is very noisy |
| [07:28:38] | sphery: | matt2154_: yep... |
| [07:28:48] | Dagmar: | matt2154_: That's becuase NTSC kinda sucks |
| [07:28:51] | matt2154_: | sphery: So I'd like to force myth to show it at its native resolution |
| [07:29:10] | Dagmar: | Like, NTSC looks okay on a TV becasue there's a lot of smoothing happening in multiple dimensions |
| [07:29:30] | Dagmar: | It tends to look like crap when you put it on a good digital display |
| [07:29:39] | clever: | yeah ive seen that |
| [07:30:07] | Dagmar: | You're looking at the same thing you were on the CRT TV, but now you can see artifacting and how un-sharp those lines really are |
| [07:30:22] | Dagmar: | I solve it by sitting way across the room. Heh |
| [07:31:13] | sphery: | yeah, the only reason having a 640x480 window with unscaled video in the middle of your 19" monitor will look better is because the artifacts (just like the video) will be 1/4 the size they would be at full screen |
| [07:31:24] | matt2154_: | Yes, I understand the ins and outs of analog tv. Am I out of luck with respect to getting myth to display my video in a subwindow or a letterbox? |
| [07:31:41] | sphery: | no, just set it up to run in a window |
| [07:31:53] | sphery: | there's also a setting to tell Myth to use a different size for GUI and video |
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| [07:32:00] | sphery: | just tell it to always play video at 640x480 |
| [07:32:07] | sphery: | and capture at 640x480 and you're set |
| [07:32:09] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: im seeing the frontend report a connect, and an immediate disconnect, but nothing happens, and then the virtual keyboard becomes unresponsive |
| [07:32:12] | kormoc: | seems silly to waste a 19" monitor, why not just buy a 10" monitor? |
| [07:32:21] | matt2154_: | hehe |
| [07:32:42] | sphery: | I think the window will be much smaller than a 10" monitor |
| [07:32:53] | kormoc: | it's still less wasted |
| [07:32:58] | sphery: | true |
| [07:33:13] | matt2154_: | OK, I'm trolling through TV Setting on the front end. Any idea where I find the run in a window setting? |
| [07:33:16] | sphery: | By my (3:30am) math (therefore, likely wrong), it would be like a 4.5" monitor |
| [07:33:17] | kormoc: | although I think the 10" lcd I had was 520x360 or something like that |
| [07:34:11] | wagnerrp: | oh wait... now it magically started working... |
| [07:34:20] | sphery: | yeah, so getting a 10" LCD with 640x480 res would actually be a /much/ bigger TV for him :) |
| [07:34:41] | sphery: | matt2154_: in Utilities/Setup|Settings|Appearance settings |
| [07:35:05] | matt2154_: | sphery: looking... |
| [07:35:29] | sphery: | matt2154_: "Separate video modes for GUI and TV playback" is also in there |
| [07:35:32] | wagnerrp: | well now that its working... i suppose i should test out that issue |
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| [07:37:17] | kormoc: | wagnerrp: ooh? what was it? |
| [07:37:39] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: it would seem the socket interface does not return until the action has completed |
| [07:37:49] | wagnerrp: | so the mythweb interface does not have any problems |
| [07:38:03] | wagnerrp: | i suppose the problem in this python script is something to do with curses |
| [07:38:12] | wagnerrp: | curses is stacking up key presses |
| [07:38:22] | sphery: | curses, foiled again! |
| [07:38:51] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [07:38:52] | wagnerrp: | now why mythweb could not connect before, and now its working fine.... |
| [07:38:57] | wagnerrp: | ....i have no clue |
| [07:39:06] | kormoc: | ncurses is... fun in that way |
| [07:39:07] | wagnerrp: | i didnt do anything that would have made any difference |
| [07:39:55] | wagnerrp: | i guess ill have to look for a way to flush the buffer before requesting another key press |
| [07:42:17] | kormoc: | I found a bug |
| [07:45:19] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [07:45:45] | kormoc: | the frontend isn't accepting any special char keys anymore |
| [07:45:47] | kormoc: | namely / |
| [07:45:54] | kormoc: | is it working for you? |
| [07:46:55] | matt2154_: | sphery: Sigh, it looks like the "Seperate video modes for GUI and TV playback", causes xrandr to be run, and the desktop resolution to change when I start playing a video. Then my monitor scales the 640x480 up to 1280x1024 and I'm back to where I started. Is there an option for letterboxing instead? I know that myth has this functionality, because when I'm browsing my recordings it it shows me clip from the current |
| [07:46:56] | matt2154_: | selection in a tiny tiny little window... |
| [07:47:26] | kormoc: | matt2154_: you didn't enable run in a window |
| [07:47:48] | matt2154_: | kormoc: ok, ill try that again... |
| [07:49:29] | sphery: | the separate modes may not work with the run in a window thing (separate modes may make video run fullscreen again)--I've never used it myself, so I don't know |
| [07:49:40] | sphery: | (though fullscreen at lower res) |
| [07:50:30] | sphery: | but if that doesn't work, then the only option is to run in a window with everything set to 640x480 |
| [07:51:38] | sphery: | or the 2nd best option, to find a 640x480 monitor; or the best option, to do digital TV :) |
| [07:52:08] | sphery: | as Myth always scales the video to "full" window size |
| [07:52:51] | matt2154_: | Sigh. Run in a window still scales it up to full screen. Telling it to use different resoultions for the GUI and the tv, get outsmarted by my monitor autoscaling. I give up. I'll figure out the transcoding, and just watch in mplayer |
| [07:53:15] | sphery: | you shouldn't need transcoding to watch in mplayer |
| [07:53:21] | kormoc: | if your monitor is resizing windows to full screen, that's just broken X |
| [07:53:51] | matt2154_: | You're right, I don't need transcoding to watch in mplayer. However, it freaks out anytime I try to fast forward or rewind |
| [07:54:00] | matt2154_: | when watching the nuv file |
| [07:54:04] | sphery: | I think he's right--the Separate video modes for GUI and TV playback will cause X to switch to a video mode at a lower resolution, then his monitor is upscaling that to make it full screen |
| [07:54:25] | matt2154_: | sphery: exactly |
| [07:54:33] | sphery: | matt2154_: turns out, though, the one I wanted you to switch was "Use GUI size for TV playback" |
| [07:55:08] | sphery: | but then you need 640x480 res |
| [07:55:43] | sphery: | for both gui and video |
| [07:58:23] | matt2154_: | sphery: Perfect! That does the job. Not letter boxed, but at least the video is at native resolution. I'll just swap in a black desktop background... |
| [08:02:33] | Dagmar: | You could always, I dunno, run it fullscreen |
| [08:03:12] | matt2154_: | Dagmar: huh? |
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| [08:05:05] | Dagmar: | I still think the easier thing is to just let it scale up the image and deal with the fact that NTSC is kinda crap |
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| [08:06:07] | matt2154_: | Thanks for all your help tonight. I'm going AFK for a bit. |
| [08:06:16] | matt2154_: | sphery: thanks bud |
| [08:06:53] | sphery: | enjoy |
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| [08:34:37] | juski: | matt2154_: how else would mythfrontend change video modes for playback? |
| [08:35:23] | juski: | I think my frontend switches modes & I've *not* got that set |
| [08:36:24] | Dagmar: | I'm pretty sure mine can't because I've only told X about one resolution |
| [08:37:23] | juski: | little point doing that with intel. it does wtf it likes |
| [08:38:35] | juski: | problem with using tvout on intel hardware is the default overscan settings are ludicrous & they don't update registers til you change video mode :-\ |
| [08:39:12] | juski: | I should look into whether it's possible to fiddle with the registers & not change mode to see changes |
| [08:39:45] | juski: | maybe then we could have sliders in mythfrontend's appearance settings to adjust stuff like that |
| [08:39:59] | juski: | and if somebody could hook into nvidia-settings somehow... |
| [08:40:15] | juski: | moot point if you have a digital flat panel of course ;-) |
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| [08:57:42] | linxeh: | juski: my sony wega has overscan settings for digital inputs too |
| [08:58:21] | linxeh: | so it might be useful in some situations I guess |
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| [09:50:26] | Gorgen: | I keep getting LMsC when zapping to an SD channel after having watched HD.. the next SD channels is OK.. running 21435 trunk atm as nVidia messed up the latest 190 lib.. is this something I can help you debug in some way? |
| [09:51:06] | janneg: | Gorgen: zapping back to that first SD channel works? |
| [09:51:20] | Gorgen: | janneg: yes, |
| [09:51:43] | Gorgen: | janneg: HD chan -> SD 1 fails -> SD 2 OK -> SD 1 OK |
| [09:52:16] | Gorgen: | janneg: what does the little s stand for in LMsC ? |
| [09:52:27] | janneg: | Gorgen: are the channels on different multiplexes |
| [09:52:34] | janneg: | missing SDT |
| [09:53:18] | Gorgen: | janneg: I think I've tested with SD channels both on same and different multiplexes.. I'll re-check now |
| [09:58:02] | Gorgen: | janneg: typically, I actually found a channel I could zap to and from now without problems after trying lots of channel combinations today... give me a few minutes and I'll do some research and see what I come up with here.. |
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| [10:05:59] | henkpoley: | Is there documentation for the DVB 'partial lock' codes? Like '(La_)' |
| [10:07:05] | jduggan: | oooh |
| [10:07:10] | jduggan: | i'd be interested in knowning that also |
| [10:07:37] | henkpoley: | My MythTV stopped working a few months ago, when my cable company moved around their channels |
| [10:07:51] | Gorgen: | janneg: looks like the problem occurs when I switch from a HD channel to an SD channel where the polarization is the same.. E.g. HD on 11938 H to SD on 11261 H |
| [10:07:59] | janneg: | upper char seen/matched, lower char waiting |
| [10:08:39] | Gorgen: | janneg: sasc is up and running, decoding the channel but mythtv shows LMsC |
| [10:08:50] | janneg: | L = signal lock, A = PAT, M = PMT, S = SDT, C = decrypted content |
| [10:09:01] | henkpoley: | The old problem in which MythTV would say "Hey I'm scanning a great mplex channel at X MHz, but it tells me it is at Y MHz, let's store that in de database' seems fixed |
| [10:09:23] | henkpoley: | Now I just don't see anything with a (seemingly) correct database |
| [10:10:14] | Gorgen: | janneg: I've tested quite a few of this combination now and the patterns seems clear :-) |
| [10:10:21] | janneg: | Gorgen: please paste a mythbackend log with -v channel,siparser,record |
| [10:10:33] | Gorgen: | janneg: will do |
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| [10:11:25] | henkpoley: | janneg: do you know what the "BE 11041" means, it is the third value, before the (La_) |
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| [10:12:03] | janneg: | henkpoley: bit error rate from the dvb demod |
| [10:12:47] | henkpoley: | janneg: 11041 seems high, is there a way to let MythTV tell me *what* MHz etc. it is trying to tune into ? |
| [10:13:08] | janneg: | -v channel |
| [10:13:43] | janneg: | or dvbsnoop -adapter x -s feinfo |
| [10:16:08] | Gorgen: | janneg: I get a timeout trying the pastebin URL, got another place..? I get a lot of these when waiting at LMsC: 2009-08–25 12:14:03.208 SM(/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0)::AddFlags: Seen(SDT,) Match() Wait() |
| [10:17:30] | juski: | should you even be using software decryption? |
| [10:18:08] | henkpoley: | tuned to the right MHz |
| [10:19:40] | henkpoley: | Could this be a problem? "Symbol rate: 6.874000 MSym/s" while it should be 6875 ? |
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| [10:22:11] | henkpoley: | Service ID is also correct.. |
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| [10:27:16] | janneg: | henkpoley: could be, I don't know if DVB-C demods can handle a slightly wrong symbol rate |
| [10:28:20] | janneg: | Gorgen: pastebin.com |
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| [10:33:08] | henkpoley: | Hmm... I'm getting the PAT of tsid 26, for the frequency tuning of tsid 27 |
| [10:33:45] | henkpoley: | 26 = 170,00 .. 27 = 826,00 |
| [10:34:12] | henkpoley: | So not really a mistuning problem.. digging further.. |
| [10:35:58] | Gorgen: | janneg: http://pastebin.com/m677e8a08 the log states adapter1, but I've just linked adapter0 so I could run without sasc.. |
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| [10:42:51] | janneg: | henkpoley: recent dvb drivers signal a successful tuning, fail silently and remain on the old channel |
| [10:43:15] | henkpoley: | 'Recent', as in since march or something ? |
| [10:43:34] | henkpoley: | Also.. as in.. in ubuntu vanilla kernels ? |
| [10:44:36] | janneg: | Gorgen: "service_id 3307 on net_id 0 tsid 33" 0 is an invalid value for the original network id |
| [10:45:30] | janneg: | henkpoley: recent as in since 2.6.27 or .28 |
| [10:46:17] | henkpoley: | I run 2.6.28–15 |
| [10:47:34] | henkpoley: | I guess I'll need to try some other DVB tuner first.. |
| [10:48:48] | janneg: | henkpoley: have tried correcting the symbol rate? which dvb demod is your card using? which modulation? qam_auto or auto? |
| [10:49:15] | henkpoley: | Kaffeine works just fine |
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| [10:50:14] | janneg: | henkpoley: I'm mythtv should work fine too with correct tuning parametwrs |
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| [10:50:37] | henkpoley: | Hmm.. kaffeine doesn't seem to work *that* fine when I try to change channels |
| [10:50:53] | henkpoley: | Let's get a fresh channel lineup in there, missing some HD channels at least |
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| [10:53:18] | superciuk: | ciao |
| [10:53:24] | superciuk: | !list |
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| [10:54:25] | Gorgen: | janneg: where does the network id come from? the stream or is it stored in the DB? |
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| [10:56:28] | henkpoley: | janneg: QAM_64 |
| [10:56:52] | janneg: | Gorgen: both |
| [10:59:54] | Gorgen: | janneg: so does this net_id 0 come from the stream or the DB? and why can I zap to the channel afterwards? |
| [11:02:06] | Gorgen: | janneg: I see there are some entries in dtv_multiplex where networkid = NULL |
| [11:06:28] | Gorgen: | janneg: I updated the entries in dtv_multiplex where networkid = NULL to 70 and now it works perfect! :-D these channels where the last one scanned and added so by some reason they've been added without the network id set |
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| [11:09:00] | Gorgen: | janneg: I've tested back and forth now and that did the trick, many thanks! once I get the nvidia driver fixed I'll rebuild using lates on trunk and scan some new channels to see if there are more channels added with NULL as networkid |
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| [11:42:37] | henkpoley: | For me the network id change did not help (tried that half an hour ago) |
| [11:48:27] | henkpoley: | Ah success.. |
| [11:49:10] | henkpoley: | apparently they also broadcast the NetworkID 500 NIT, which isn't for my district |
| [11:49:33] | henkpoley: | The scans apparently only picked up this 500, and not the 8888 Network ID |
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| [11:49:56] | henkpoley: | Cute... now I need to find out how to fix that] |
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| [11:51:32] | janneg: | henkpoley: check if they also transmit the wrong number in the SDT |
| [11:51:46] | henkpoley: | How ? |
| [11:53:24] | henkpoley: | Ah.. auto shutdown.. |
| [11:54:00] | janneg: | -v siparser should print the SDT |
| [11:54:35] | henkpoley: | Ah, that one isn't in my default mythbackend commandline |
| [11:54:46] | janneg: | but it's unlikely, if they did I think tuning should work |
| [11:54:56] | henkpoley: | What would be a "correct SDT"? |
| [11:55:24] | janneg: | yes, it's very chatty, so you don't want it enabled |
| [11:56:02] | janneg: | btw you can use mythbackend --setverbose to change the verbose arguments at runtime |
| [11:56:53] | henkpoley: | Wait --> EXTRA_ARGS="-v channel,record,siparser" |
| [11:57:04] | henkpoley: | Is already in /etc/default/mythtv-backend |
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| [11:59:41] | henkpoley: | I don't see any *explicit* SDT value mentioning |
| [11:59:53] | henkpoley: | I do have this: |
| [11:59:53] | henkpoley: | 2009-08–25 12:41:19.184 DTVSM(0)::SetDVBService(transport_id: 23, network_id: 500, service_id: 60): |
| [11:59:53] | henkpoley: | 2009-08–25 12:41:19.185 SM(0)::RemoveFlags: Seen(PMT,SDT,Crypt,) Match(PMT,SDT,Crypt,) Wait() |
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| [12:03:28] | ** henkpoley does not want to fix 166 channels by hand ** | |
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| [12:09:36] | janneg: | henkpoley: indeed there's no message if a not matching SDT has been seen |
| [12:11:27] | janneg: | henkpoley: if you know that 8888 is the correct id for all channels you could simply "UPDATE dtv_multiplex SET networkid = 8888 WHERE networkid = 500;" |
| [12:11:51] | henkpoley: | Yep, *except* I then still need to fix all the multiplex IDs |
| [12:12:21] | janneg: | henkpoley: was that a DB with preexisting channels/multiplexes? |
| [12:12:23] | anykey_: | henkpoley: is this with trunk? |
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| [12:12:49] | henkpoley: | I don't know what I used to scan the current DB |
| [12:13:07] | janneg: | then rescan with trunk |
| [12:13:09] | henkpoley: | I do know current ubuntu package does not complain about database version |
| [12:13:14] | henkpoley: | gah |
| [12:13:31] | henkpoley: | I used trunk a month or so ago, didn't help |
| [12:13:45] | anykey_: | henkpoley: its fixed in trunk, I had the same problem |
| [12:13:45] | juski: | a month is a very long time in trunk's life |
| [12:13:46] | henkpoley: | Was supposed to work with all the NIT fixes back then |
| [12:14:05] | juski: | even more so now, with the amount of commits put in during the last 7 days |
| [12:14:06] | janneg: | it's a known problem with the scanner in 0.21* |
| [12:14:11] | henkpoley: | I know |
| [12:14:17] | juski: | try it, you might like it :D |
| [12:14:23] | henkpoley: | Are there current breakages in trunk ? |
| [12:14:58] | henkpoley: | I mean.. I can get it to work *now* if I just fix the mplex IDs manuall |
| [12:14:59] | henkpoley: | ..y |
| [12:15:20] | juski: | yes but by trying a scan with trunk you'll help confirm it'll work in 0.22 |
| [12:15:37] | janneg: | juski: but he's right trunk one month ago should have worked |
| [12:15:48] | anykey_: | henkpoley: I have two scripts that insert the correct data if they know the correct networkid. Don't know if they work anymore |
| [12:15:49] | juski: | fair nuff I suppose |
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| [12:16:06] | juski: | anykey_: don't suppose you've .... ? ;-) |
| [12:17:00] | janneg: | but I would be interested in a bug report with -v channelscan,channel,siparser,extra and dump of the channelscan_*tables |
| [12:17:10] | juski: | anykey_: I'm taking some time off work soon so I'll have another crack at the variable width button hacking |
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| [12:17:36] | henkpoley: | svn update'ing now.. |
| [12:17:46] | anykey_: | juski: neat, lets hope for 0.23 ;) |
| [12:17:49] | juski: | in between bouts of mucking around with the painter code |
| [12:18:51] | henkpoley: | btw, what is the adviced way to remove your broken channel lineup ? |
| [12:19:08] | henkpoley: | MythTV's own "delete all channels" seems to keep the data around |
| [12:19:22] | henkpoley: | It's hard to edit with phpmyadmin |
| [12:19:29] | GreyFoxx: | Delete all removes from the database immediately |
| [12:19:54] | GreyFoxx: | you might have to restart mythbackend (but then you are warned about that when you start mythtv-setup with the backend running) |
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| [12:20:09] | tmkt: | morning |
| [12:20:17] | GreyFoxx: | program info though isn't removed |
| [12:20:29] | GreyFoxx: | that gets removed by mythfilldatabase |
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| [12:20:47] | janneg: | henkpoley: I hope there's no need to remove the channels with the new scanner |
| [12:21:12] | henkpoley: | Well, there are previous sourceIDs in there even |
| [12:21:52] | janneg: | the transports aren't deleted when no channels is left |
| [12:22:04] | henkpoley: | There is something with XvMC when you are on nvidia, isn't it ? |
| [12:22:05] | janneg: | henkpoley: does the source still exists? |
| [12:22:58] | henkpoley: | I only have 1 & 4 in `videosource` |
| [12:23:28] | henkpoley: | but 2, 3 & 4 exist in dvb_multiplex |
| [12:23:35] | henkpoley: | 1 is an analog card |
| [12:25:13] | henkpoley: | `make -j 3` errors out, does MythTV now another make ? |
| [12:25:19] | henkpoley: | I ran ./configure... |
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| [12:27:31] | Doris_: | hey superdump |
| [12:27:37] | Doris_: | how is u gal |
| [12:28:03] | superdump: | ? |
| [12:28:35] | Doris_: | how the campaing going? |
| [12:28:55] | superdump: | what campaign? |
| [12:29:14] | janneg: | henkpoley: svn stat --no-ignore | awk '/^I.*Makefile/ {print $2}' | xargs — rm |
| [12:29:21] | janneg: | and rerun configure |
| [12:29:31] | henkpoley: | I'm seeing this: http://www.pastebin.org/11923 |
| [12:29:53] | henkpoley: | Ah, will try your line |
| [12:30:17] | henkpoley: | Works like a charm |
| [12:30:46] | henkpoley: | Should have remembered to run distclean (not only clean) before svn update |
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| [12:46:28] | henkpoley: | Error: http://www.pastebin.org/11924 |
| [12:46:34] | henkpoley: | --> avformatdecoder.cpp:1726: javascript:void(0);: 'HAVE_THREADS' was not declared in this javascript:void(0); |
| [12:46:44] | henkpoley: | awww... |
| [12:46:52] | henkpoley: | Stupid webbrowser copy paste |
| [12:47:01] | henkpoley: | Again: |
| [12:47:02] | henkpoley: | --> avformatdecoder.cpp:1729: error: 'HAVE_THREADS' was not declared in this scope |
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| [12:49:50] | henkpoley: | I am using http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/mythtv so that's should be okay |
| [12:50:11] | juski: | I need to put some VERBOSE in SetRedraw. I have a theory |
| [12:50:25] | janneg: | grep HAVE_THREADS config.* libs/libmythdb/mythconfig.* |
| [12:55:13] | henkpoley: | Let's see: current svn trunk 21508, mythbuntu trunk 21261, timestamp 08/14/09 02:37:47 (11 days ago) |
| [12:55:26] | henkpoley: | Don't think mythbuntu will be up-to-date enough? |
| [12:56:36] | henkpoley: | HAVE_THREADS is either defined as '1', or `=yes` |
| [12:58:00] | janneg: | henkpoley: find . mythconfig.h in the mythtv source dir |
| [12:58:11] | janneg: | I suspect you may have more than one |
| [12:58:20] | henkpoley: | I did cleanup some ubuntu mythtv packages during compilation, let's do a distclean and try again |
| [12:58:24] | henkpoley: | I'll do that too |
| [12:58:40] | henkpoley: | ./libs/libmythdb/mythconfig.h |
| [12:58:40] | henkpoley: | ./libs/libmyth/mythconfig.h |
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| [12:58:57] | janneg: | do the find first, I doubt the duplicate will be deleted |
| [12:59:09] | janneg: | henkpoley: delete ./libs/libmyth/mythconfig.h |
| [13:00:41] | henkpoley: | compiling.. |
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| [13:15:08] | ** Doris_ jumps on davidm hoping for some promotion.... ** | |
| [13:15:37] | ** Doris_ takes his tail and turn around so she can get some cash maybe... ** | |
| [13:15:50] | Doris_: | Ohohohohoh |
| [13:15:58] | laga: | time for a kick :) |
| [13:15:59] | Doris_: | The Great |
| [13:16:47] | ** Doris_ cant restrain herself from sucking....I wanna job into the gouvernment.....sssssssssssssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuuucccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkiiiiiiiin g ** | |
| [13:17:02] | Doris_: | oh |
| [13:17:03] | Doris_: | sorry |
| [13:17:07] | Doris_: | stronger than me |
| [13:17:10] | henkpoley: | Compiled installed.. mythbackend now says: DBUtil Error: Error backing up database: /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythconverg_backup.pl /tmp/mythtv_db_backup_conf_aA7crO (512) |
| [13:17:14] | Doris_: | Im such a hoe sometimes |
| [13:17:16] | henkpoley: | I do have my own backup though |
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| [13:18:41] | henkpoley: | Upgrade bombs out on `people` database table |
| [13:19:19] | Doris_: | okay sorry niko |
| [13:19:22] | Doris_: | i behave now |
| [13:20:00] | janneg: | henkpoley: it contains corrupted data, follow the wiki link |
| [13:20:31] | henkpoley: | "the" is page for 0.22 ? |
| [13:26:20] | janneg: | yes |
| [13:26:34] | henkpoley: | Just emptied the `people` table, never use that data, will be recreated |
| [13:28:10] | janneg: | the people table is not the only one with corrupted data |
| [13:28:19] | henkpoley: | Ah, also an error on channelscan_dtv_multiplex |
| [13:28:28] | henkpoley: | can also be emptied |
| [13:28:47] | henkpoley: | janneg: okay, I didn't find any wiki page that mentions a fix |
| [13:28:53] | janneg: | I was more thinking of recorded and program |
| [13:29:01] | janneg: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding |
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| [13:30:13] | janneg: | henkpoley: oh different error, you might want to check your database for corruption with mysqlcheck |
| [13:30:45] | henkpoley: | the databases are already checked, but I'll look at the wiki page and go from there |
| [13:32:10] | janneg: | henkpoley: only necessary if you saw an error message with an url of wiki page |
| [13:32:28] | henkpoley: | There was no such error message |
| [13:33:32] | henkpoley: | The check on the wiki does say "Db characterset: utf8" though |
| [13:33:43] | henkpoley: | which apparently should be latin1 |
| [13:34:15] | janneg: | henkpoley: please paste the full error message |
| [13:35:07] | henkpoley: | http://www.pastebin.org/11932 |
| [13:36:11] | henkpoley: | whew pastebin is annoying without adblock |
| [13:38:10] | janneg: | use pastebin.com |
| [13:39:10] | stuarta: | or mythtv.pastebin.ca |
| [13:39:29] | janneg: | that was down earlier today |
| [13:39:37] | stuarta: | :( |
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| [13:42:40] | gbee: | pastebin.mandriva.com is ad-free |
| [13:43:25] | janneg: | henkpoley: you can follow the the instructions on the wiki page, I don't know why the error message wasn't triggered |
| [13:43:43] | henkpoley: | I'm doing that already |
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| [13:45:15] | janneg: | sphery: the encoding corrpution check is not working as intended. I applied a modified version of your patch but I don't see why it's not triggered |
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| [13:54:53] | Gav8in: | whelp, so I need to build ffmpeg, mplayer and prolly myth. |
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| [13:56:18] | juski: | there's probably a howto for your distro about building ffmpeg & mplayer from source |
| [13:57:08] | Gav8in: | i've done it many times just in /usr/local, it's never hard. |
| [13:57:18] | Gav8in: | they both use autoconf, afai can remember |
| [13:57:20] | laga: | try viagra |
| [13:57:26] | juski: | --prefix=/usr/ |
| [13:57:27] | Gav8in: | heh |
| [13:57:28] | laga: | i kill myself. i'll be here all night! |
| [13:57:43] | Gav8in: | why would i want to install it to /usr? |
| [13:58:05] | juski: | why wouldn't you? either or |
| [13:58:30] | Gav8in: | i like to keep stuff i built separate, so /usr/local works for that. i put /usr/local/* before /usr/* in my paths |
| [13:58:32] | ** Gav8in shrugs ** | |
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| [13:58:39] | Gav8in: | anyway, it's just for vdpau |
| [13:59:05] | juski: | ahh the feature on which all our hopes & dreams are pinned |
| [13:59:08] | janneg: | Gav8in: ffmpeg doesn't use autoconf |
| [13:59:26] | Gav8in: | janneg, ah, then i remember wrong |
| [14:00:20] | mazda01: | i read the wiki about mythconverg_backup.pl. i think it states that it keeps 5 of the most recent backups. is there some config file I can change so it only keeps the last 2 days? or do I jsut run the command mythconverg_backup.pl --rotate 2? |
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| [14:01:39] | henkpoley: | Pfff.. finally able to use 'official' mythtv datbase backup script |
| [14:01:43] | juski: | "Detailed help is available by executing either script with the --help argument" |
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| [14:02:36] | Gav8in: | ahh, rteading the myth sources, looks like VDPAU arrived in 0.22, so I should prolly build myth too |
| [14:02:51] | juski: | there's no 0.22 yet |
| [14:02:53] | Gav8in: | is there a backport of vdpau to 0.21? |
| [14:02:58] | Gav8in: | juski, sure, so trunk |
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| [14:03:17] | juski: | Gav8in: yes but it's not officially supported |
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| [14:04:57] | henkpoley: | Gah.. janneg those errors in `people` also give problems with importing as latin1 |
| [14:05:01] | Gav8in: | so i might as well use trunk, at least i can file bugreports |
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| [14:08:02] | mazda01: | juski, i read the --help info. i am trying to understand the rotateglob option as i do have other directories in the DBbackup directory. do I need to set that so it doesn't remove the other directories in the DBbackup directory? |
| [14:12:01] | Dibblah: | Right. Time to test Myth 0.22-pre properly. Installing from scratch – New DB for the first time since I started Myth :) |
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| [14:12:29] | monz187: | hey people... how can i get jack audio working with mythTV? |
| [14:12:59] | monz187: | right now jack audio is on and although myth is not started, im getting the audio from the tv card.. is that normal? |
| [14:13:14] | juski: | mazda01: ooo a framegrabber tuner |
| [14:13:28] | juski: | you should really read the audio setup section of the official documentation |
| [14:14:20] | tmkt: | any idea if distros will come out with new versions timed with v0.22 or will they just wait for their regular release date? |
| [14:14:38] | juski: | they usually wait a while |
| [14:15:23] | laga: | tmkt: ubuntu 9.10 will have 0.22. or an svn trunk snapshot ;) |
| [14:15:29] | mazda01: | juski, im sorry? |
| [14:15:31] | laga: | and then upgrade to 0.22 once it's released |
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| [14:15:47] | juski: | oops that was for monz187 ^^^^ |
| [14:15:53] | juski: | sorry mazda01 :) |
| [14:16:10] | tmkt: | the next mythbuntu should do |
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| [14:17:12] | mazda01: | juski, do you understand the rotateglob option? i am not really understanding it. i have other directories in the DBbackupdir for mythconverg_backup.pl and I am not sure if I need to set that option. i have added rotate=2 within the backuprc file. do I ned to set the rotateglob option? |
| [14:17:25] | juski: | mazda01: I've never used it |
| [14:18:14] | mazda01: | do you have other files or directories in the folder that your mythconverg backup's get stored to? |
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| [14:19:14] | juski: | I used a different backup script |
| [14:19:21] | mazda01: | juski, ok |
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| [14:22:22] | henkpoley: | hmm, I was able to restore the backup into a latin1 database without mucking with the backup itself :-) |
| [14:23:27] | henkpoley: | Aw still gives the same error on `people` |
| [14:23:53] | henkpoley: | Will still nuke that table (one hour later, same solution .. ;-) ) |
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| [14:28:19] | henkpoley: | Hmm.. *maybe* I cheated a few months ago by just editing the database version down |
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| [14:33:38] | Doris_: | and |
| [14:34:31] | Morder: | I have a kworld plus tv pci 120 digital/analog tuner but mythbuntu seems to only recognize the analog. I've tried the various methods using modprobe and blacklists – anyone have any thoughts on how to make the digital tuner recognizable? |
| [14:35:11] | henkpoley: | I guess you tried blacklisting the analog part ? |
| [14:35:26] | Morder: | yeah, when i do that mythtv can't probe the card |
| [14:35:28] | henkpoley: | btw, maybe you should ask around @ linuxdvb (is it dvb?) |
| [14:35:50] | henkpoley: | They write the drivers |
| [14:36:39] | henkpoley: | Can you drive the card with other tools ? |
| [14:36:43] | Morder: | well, the card shows up properly in the hwinfo but i'll check around some more |
| [14:36:59] | henkpoley: | DVB should work with Kafeine for example |
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| [14:37:38] | Morder: | checking |
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| [14:40:55] | henkpoley: | Is there a special keycombo in mythtv-setup to just do "suggest – OK – for all" ? |
| [14:41:05] | henkpoley: | I now need to OK 259 duplicate channels |
| [14:42:07] | henkpoley: | Ah well.. just removed all DVB channels, they are wrong anyways.. rescan... |
| [14:42:17] | tmkt_: | how much of an effect would a tree have on ota signals? |
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| [14:44:44] | henkpoley: | tmkt: ATSC? Doesn't that use "normal TV bands" .. so what happens is what can expect from analog |
| [14:45:12] | henkpoley: | Except the 'snow' can be blocky when the forward error correction can't keep up anymore |
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| [14:50:48] | henkpoley: | tmkt: read up on "trees VHF absorption" on google ;-) |
| [14:53:13] | tmkt_: | will do |
| [14:53:41] | tmkt_: | just funny the different results i get when i scan at different times of the day and of the year |
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| [14:57:59] | Morder: | thanks, henkpoley – looks like the issue is with the drivers as kaffeine also has issues... |
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| [15:00:40] | henkpoley: | Is there a place to set the LiveTV start channel ? |
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| [15:02:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | henkpoley: it remembers the last channel you successfully tuned upon exiting LiveTV |
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| [15:03:38] | henkpoley: | Yeah.. that's my problem |
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| [15:06:06] | henkpoley: | I guess I'll go change one of my channels back to channel 13003 |
| [15:06:19] | henkpoley: | As it appears to try to tune to that and then just exit |
| [15:07:02] | J-e-f-f-A: | henkpoley: You must set it to a valid channel first in mythtv-setup, then it will save the last successfully tuned channel as the new start channel each time. |
| [15:07:17] | Gav8in: | I have a terminology question. On ClearQAM, one "channel" can carry multiple subchannels, each of which might be a completely separate channel in its own right (say, ABC + CBS might be in one ClearQAM signal) |
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| [15:07:31] | henkpoley: | you can *which* channel is tuned to ? |
| [15:07:40] | Gav8in: | what is the right thing to call this master channel in this case, and what is the right thing to call these subchannels? |
| [15:08:53] | henkpoley: | yay, AlJazeera (13003 now) works |
| [15:09:31] | henkpoley: | hmm, this mythtv installation uses different keybindings.. |
| [15:10:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gav8in: in the ATSC world, the channels get named with a sub-channel, such as 25.1 25.2 25.3, etc. In the Qam world, I think the channel number gets broadcast as part of the signal, but I'm not positive. (IE The QAM frequency has little or no relation to the 'virtual' channel number – at least that's the way it works in the Sat world...) |
| [15:10:50] | henkpoley: | Channel 5 is analog (noise even).. after that LiveTV only tunes analog.. until I restart livetv |
| [15:11:45] | Gav8in: | jeffA, yeah. I'm asking because I'm coding up a scheduler, and I need to name these things. it's natural to call the subchannels "channels", and the master channels "carriers", so I guess I'll use that until corrected. |
| [15:11:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | henkpoley: To switch to a different tuner/source, you have to either use the OSD Channel Guide, or the menu to change the source. (At least in 0.21-fixes – trunk has an option to allow cross-source channel changinging in live tv) |
| [15:12:22] | henkpoley: | Used to be [C] isn't it ? |
| [15:13:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | henkpoley: I don't know that "C" works to switch tuners anymore, but bringing up the Menu with "M" lets you switch sources and/or inputs. |
| [15:13:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | henkpoley: IIRC, "C" works to switch tuners within the same source, but not cross-source... I think that's what it is... |
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| [15:14:56] | henkpoley: | You know what makes MythTV decides something is "the same" channel ? For analog that used to be the xmltv id |
| [15:15:12] | henkpoley: | I now have analog and digital showing up under the same number |
| [15:16:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | henkpoley: I believe that's still true (xmltv id) |
| [15:16:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | henkpoley: Having two different sources with the same channel numbers will just confuse Myth I think... |
| [15:17:28] | henkpoley: | I had it working on 0.19–0.21 |
| [15:18:29] | henkpoley: | Now to see how I get everything to autostart with self compiled trunk |
| [15:18:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | henkpoley: IIRC, the scheduler uses the callsign to differentiate different channels. (But I may be wrong...) |
| [15:20:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | henkpoley: I take it you already know that trunk is in a high state of flux right now, and you're likely to run into issues... ;-) Lots of commits happening right now... |
| [15:21:15] | henkpoley: | Yes.. but at least it is in some state of *working* for me |
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| [15:21:50] | wagnerrp: | the bigger issue with multiple channels with the same channel number.... how do you decide which one to tune |
| [15:21:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | henkpoley: Ok, just making sure. |
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| [15:22:40] | sphery: | mazda01: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore for lots of examples, including http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . cent_backups |
| [15:22:49] | henkpoley: | I'm happy submit backtraces and maybe suggest some patches |
| [15:23:01] | sphery: | henkpoley: it doesn't look like you had the encoding corruption |
| [15:23:31] | wagnerrp: | anyone know if the SBE connection issue has been fixed in trunk? |
| [15:23:40] | wagnerrp: | i havent seen anything in the commit logs about it |
| [15:23:43] | sphery: | henkpoley: from your pastebin, the Db characterset was utf8 only because you were part way through the upgrade |
| [15:24:25] | sphery: | henkpoley: because all the others were latin1, your DB server was properly configured, so it was a different corruption. |
| [15:24:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: I saw something a day or two about IP timeout handling that was commited that may have helped with that issue... |
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| [15:25:17] | wagnerrp: | no, this complains about some stringlist error, and exits |
| [15:25:25] | sphery: | henkpoley: any chance you still have your 1214 backup? (Should have made one in a dir in your DB Backups storage group or if you didn't define that group in your some dir in your Default storage group.) |
| [15:25:29] | wagnerrp: | well... drops connection... retries... drops connection.... |
| [15:26:33] | henkpoley: | sphery: Yes I probably have a *real* 1214 backup from months ago, before I cleaned up my mythtv |
| [15:26:53] | henkpoley: | sphery: I believe I then upgrade to trunk as that "would help" |
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| [15:27:10] | sphery: | henkpoley: did you delete the one from today that was made just before the first upgrade attempt? |
| [15:27:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: yeah, I was reading the commits over the last few days, and it was an un-related ticket, but there was a mention that work was being done to the timeout/retry logic that would likely fix it... (trying to find it now) |
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| [15:27:31] | henkpoley: | but it didn't, and then I just *downgraded the db version number*, because that just worked at the time |
| [15:27:31] | sphery: | henkpoley: ah, likely not: DBUtil Error: Error backing up database: /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythconverg_backup.pl /tmp/mythtv_db_backup_conf_WPde1n |
| [15:27:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: so, maybe I mis-read it and it hasn't been commited yet... ;-) |
| [15:28:11] | wagnerrp: | there was a ticket 6595 you may be talking about |
| [15:28:19] | sphery: | henkpoley: I'd be interested in getting any pre-upgrade db backup you might have |
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| [15:28:29] | henkpoley: | sphery: I have valid settings for that backup program under /home/henk/.mythtv |
| [15:28:29] | mazda01: | sphery, thank you, i just don't understand the rotateglob option |
| [15:28:42] | sphery: | henkpoley: any chance you know why the backup failed? |
| [15:28:57] | henkpoley: | sphery: I have backups of my broken "not 1214 but says it is 1214" database.. do you need it ? |
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| [15:29:46] | henkpoley: | sphery: I expect mythbackend switches to the mythtv user and looks in /home/mythtv |
| [15:30:03] | henkpoley: | where the backup isn't configured |
| [15:30:18] | sphery: | mazda01: if you're not specifying a --filename option in your backup, you don't need it |
| [15:30:49] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: well if nothing else... ill just have to switch MBEs to the one with the analog tuners tonight |
| [15:30:57] | sphery: | mazda01: i.e. the one that's in there works for the default filename format |
| [15:31:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: 6516 – Mythfilldatabase times out when rescheuduling "I've been looking at the socket code recently and already have a patch that retries more effectively... This can also cause recorders to go offline until mythbackend is restarted and cause slave backends to disconnect permanently." |
| [15:32:25] | sphery: | henkpoley: when run automatically by the backend, the ~/.mythtv/backuprc is not used. Instead, the information used by mythtv-setup or mythbackend (whichever is performing the upgrade) is written to the "database information file" (/tmp/mythtv_db_backup_conf_WPde1n in the example above) |
| [15:32:38] | sphery: | information used by the program to get to the DB |
| [15:32:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: so it's not commited yet, but he's working on the socket code... ;-) |
| [15:32:55] | sphery: | therefore, known to be good information (since mythtv-setup or mythbackend used it) |
| [15:33:20] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: the bug only showed up sometime in the last couple days |
| [15:33:25] | wagnerrp: | that sounds too old |
| [15:33:44] | henkpoley: | sphery: then mythvsetup uses the 'mythtv' mysql-user, which appears to not have all privileges for the kinf backup that the script want to do |
| [15:33:55] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: you have a PM from me |
| [15:34:13] | sphery: | henkpoley: do you know which privs are missing? I'm guessing that user was set up by your distro? |
| [15:34:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: The ticket itself was opened May 2nd, but there has been activity the last few days. |
| [15:34:42] | henkpoley: | sphery: on my own user (/home/henk) I just fixed it by using the mysql superuser |
| [15:34:46] | sphery: | (as the "official" mc.sql script creates a mythtv user with GRANT ALL...) |
| [15:35:36] | Dassu: | Is somebody here using Mythstream with youtube parser ? |
| [15:36:05] | songer: | hello people |
| [15:36:21] | sphery: | henkpoley: so when you do sudo mythbackend, does it actually run as root or does the mythbackend script do some kind of switch user thing? (I'm guessing this is *buntu, right?) |
| [15:36:50] | henkpoley: | sphery: ubuntu with my own compiled mythtv-trunk |
| [15:37:19] | henkpoley: | btw, "as long as the callsigns are the same, scheduled recordings will be moved from one tuner to another" |
| [15:37:28] | songer: | I already install mythtv but something is missing |
| [15:37:41] | sphery: | so is mythbackend actually the elf binary or a wrapper script (like in *buntu-packaged mythtv)? |
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| [15:38:23] | henkpoley: | sphery: I don't know.. I just ran make, sudo make install :o) |
| [15:38:36] | henkpoley: | Also, the system is currently powered down.. |
| [15:39:37] | songer: | How can I install an X display |
| [15:40:09] | henkpoley: | songer: install it where ? |
| [15:40:22] | songer: | for mythtv |
| [15:40:41] | sphery: | henkpoley: sounds like it's the binary, so it ran as system root. Then it would write the db info file as root with 400 privs, then when mythbackend spawned a new process to run the backup, that process would have be be running as root... I don't know my sudo to know well enough if that would work properly without, i.e., sudo -i' |
| [15:40:50] | henkpoley: | songer: most distros include Xorg by default |
| [15:40:58] | songer: | it says, Note that this program requires an X display |
| [15:41:22] | sphery: | songer: you just need to start an X display or, if one's started, you need to use a user who has permissions to use the X display |
| [15:41:35] | sphery: | i.e. you can't install Myth if X isn't installed |
| [15:42:49] | songer: | Ok, if I run mythtv just see a blue screen without words |
| [15:42:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | songer: "X" is your 'windows' like GUI environment... so if you're using a mouse within Linux, you have an X environment installed... "X" is short for "X-Windows"... |
| [15:43:20] | songer: | ok |
| [15:43:29] | sphery: | henkpoley: if you still have any of the DB backups that were created before a failed upgrade (or if you have the a DB backup from months ago), I'd love to get one |
| [15:43:41] | sphery: | if they're too big, we can probably find one of those file upload sites for it... |
| [15:44:02] | sphery: | I'd like to try to reproduce the failure and see if we can avoid it for most users |
| [15:44:12] | sphery: | but I need to understand what happened |
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| [15:45:14] | henkpoley: | sphery: what happened is that I upgrade to trunk a few months ago, and was to lazy to restore a backup when I downgraded. I only edited the database version number |
| [15:46:10] | sphery: | so, jpabq , would you believe I'm actually (slowly) working on something you requested back in July 2008. :) (It's fixing up chanid for recordings after they change.) |
| [15:46:23] | songer: | look, this is what i see, http://pastebin.com/m9a2bc57 |
| [15:46:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | songer: Check the wiki – sounds like you need to install fonts IIRC |
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| [15:46:34] | songer: | ok |
| [15:46:47] | sphery: | henkpoley: Oh... nvm, then. That would definitely break a lot of things--and give you the same behavior you'd expect from a misconfigured DB server even with a properly-configured DB server. |
| [15:47:08] | sphery: | henkpoley: that means I do need to look at the "corruption-detection" code to see why it didn't trigger for you. |
| [15:47:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | songer: and BTW: a pastebin of filenames of locally stored images doesnt' help much as we can't see them on the internet... ;-) |
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| [15:48:21] | songer: | ok |
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| [15:49:11] | sphery: | songer: so you see some kind of box with no text in it? |
| [15:49:15] | sphery: | songer: ATI video card? |
| [15:49:45] | ** J-e-f-f-A hadn't thoght about ATI... DOH! ** | |
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| [15:52:11] | sphery: | songer: if ATI, you need some environment variable... I /think/ it's: #export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 |
| [15:52:18] | sphery: | songer: but it might be: export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 |
| [15:52:26] | songer: | geforce |
| [15:52:50] | songer: | yes I do |
| [15:53:24] | sphery: | OK, can you upload a screenshot to some imagebin, please, like http://imagebin.org/ |
| [15:53:34] | sphery: | what distro? |
| [15:54:27] | songer: | ok, debian |
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| [15:54:52] | sphery: | OK, that might not have proper font-replacements specified, so you may actually need to install some fonts |
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| [15:55:43] | sphery: | The MS Core Web fonts are used by most all themes, so you'll either need them or need a font replacement policy like the one used by *buntu (that replaces the non-free MS fonts with Liberation fonts) |
| [15:56:12] | sphery: | by far the easiest way to get it working is to just install the MS Core Web Fonts |
| [15:56:27] | songer: | there is the image. http://imagebin.org/61049 |
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| [15:57:17] | sphery: | songer: and just for me (so I can see if I can put something in Myth to work around this issue), can you post the output from the program you're running (mythtv-setup, probably, I'd guess) |
| [15:57:23] | sphery: | i.e. pastebin the log from it |
| [15:59:59] | abarbaccia: | is storage group support for mythvideo working in trunk? maybe i don't understand the commit comments, but i thought it was. |
| [16:00:14] | sphery: | abarbaccia: yes, but requires some setup |
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| [16:02:03] | abarbaccia: | sphery: what sort of setup do you mean? |
| [16:02:42] | sphery: | I haven't yet taken the time to figure it all out, so I don't know. |
| [16:03:17] | sphery: | but I know that once you upgrade, you have to do some stuff to switch to using the MythVideo SG's. |
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| [16:05:20] | abarbaccia: | okay, i have the groups setup,and im running the backend with network logging turned on, yet i don't see any network calls |
| [16:06:00] | iamlindoro: | You can't just set up an SG pointed at the old directory and have it work, SG videos and local mount videos are totally different in the DB |
| [16:06:30] | iamlindoro: | You need to clear out your DB, change the "local" video dir to comething else (preferably an empty dir), and then rescan to pick up the SG-homed videos |
| [16:06:35] | iamlindoro: | er something |
| [16:07:28] | wagnerrp: | and with today's mail, i fall back well below the 300GB mark |
| [16:08:41] | abarbaccia: | iamlindoro: okay, thanks. are there notes on this anywhere (maybe something i missed in the commits?) |
| [16:08:52] | iamlindoro: | It's all in the commits |
| [16:09:08] | ** stoth waits patiently for the yummy looking UI in .22 and the 'before October' release. ** | |
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| [16:10:09] | wagnerrp: | heh... apparently the brits screwed up on the passing of some law, making it invalid |
| [16:10:24] | wagnerrp: | for the next 3 months, age-ratings on video content are meaningless |
| [16:12:09] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if there will be a large boost in porn sales during that period |
| [16:12:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Gee, the plextor is still supported, eh? I've got one of those I bought from fleabay about 2 or 3 years ago, and haven't used yet... ;-) |
| [16:13:07] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Don't bother :) |
| [16:13:27] | sphery: | any sudo gurus here (and, no, I don't mean pseudo gurus)? |
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| [16:13:31] | jams: | i have one, the fact it requires alsa pretty much kept in unused on the shelf |
| [16:13:35] | wagnerrp: | werent those things like twice the price of the PVRs when they were sold? |
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| [16:14:02] | wagnerrp: | jams: requires ALSA? it only encodes the video? |
| [16:14:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | I think I paid like $30 for mine... |
| [16:14:12] | sphery: | just wondering if when you start a program (say mythbackend) with "sudo mythbackend" if child processes spawned using system calls will run as root or as "me" |
| [16:14:23] | jams: | wagnerrp- the driver required alsa, it setup a dummy snd card |
| [16:14:27] | jams: | so stupid |
| [16:14:41] | jams: | sphery- root |
| [16:15:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I dunno... but I've noticed that some stuff started via 'sudo progname' doesn't always behave the same as issuing the command as root... so you may be onto something there... |
| [16:15:46] | sphery: | jams: would it be able to read a permissions 0400 file owned by created by the mythbackend process in the /tmp dir (which, I'm assuming is always 1777 on any sane distro) |
| [16:15:47] | gbee: | I think we should be managing expectations for 0.22, mythui isn't complete, neither is the port to mythui |
| [16:15:57] | sphery: | d/owned by/ |
| [16:15:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ oops, didn't see jams reply! ;-) |
| [16:16:19] | jams: | sphery- yeah |
| [16:16:26] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, but I've seen what you see, so I appreciate your helping me think I may not be crazy... :) |
| [16:16:35] | sphery: | jams: OK... I'll play with it a bit... |
| [16:16:35] | jams: | shouldn't be a problem, unless your system call switches users first |
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| [16:16:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: You're not crazy, but I just might be!!! MuWaHaHa!!!!!!! |
| [16:16:54] | sphery: | trying to figure out why some users' pre-upgrade DB backups are failing |
| [16:16:55] | sphery: | thanks |
| [16:17:01] | jams: | sphery- is that perl? |
| [16:17:07] | sphery: | jams: yeah |
| [16:17:09] | sphery: | taint mode? |
| [16:17:13] | jams: | possible |
| [16:18:26] | sphery: | jams: thanks for the direction... I think I may have spent way too long just trying to figure out how they're making it fail |
| [16:18:37] | sphery: | I'll look into that today |
| [16:18:55] | jams: | hehe |
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| [16:20:02] | sphery: | so it's most likely not the include path (only uses Getopt::Long and File::Temp qw/ tempfile / ) and optionally uses DBI and DBD::mysql , but doesn't care if they're not installed/available |
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| [16:22:26] | sphery: | jams: Potentially unsafe operations include, but are not necessarily limited to, system calls of any sort such as using system(), backticks or piped open() calls, open calls that can write to disk, unlink() which deletes files, and rename(). |
| [16:22:38] | sphery: | jams: that pretty much covers how the db backup script works... :) |
| [16:23:22] | jams: | that does sound about right |
| [16:23:38] | sphery: | it uses system calls to spawn mysqldump, uses unlink to remove the db info file and (in some configs) uses open open calls that write to disk |
| [16:23:57] | jams: | they might also have selinux or apparmor |
| [16:23:57] | sphery: | I guess I'll try just running with perl -Tw to see if I can figure out a workaround |
| [16:24:15] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:24:18] | jams: | both of those could stop it cold (depending on the config) |
| [16:24:38] | sphery: | The recommendation is /still/ to do a manual backup (to verify you have a good backup) /before/ the upgrade |
| [16:24:42] | sphery: | but... |
| [16:25:29] | jams: | thats wishful thinking |
| [16:25:38] | jams: | which is why your wrote the autobackup in the first place |
| [16:25:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | what are backups? ;-) hehehe |
| [16:26:11] | sphery: | I have a feeling that a lot of people who experience DB upgrade failures and then say, "it's now fixed," are not actually fixing the problems that caused the failure, but are fixing the symptoms (i.e. the complaints) |
| [16:27:16] | sphery: | I think a /lot/ of people are going to lose a lot of myth history in this upgrade because they're just messing with stuff they don't understand to get things "working" (and are just causing corruption or other issues that will surface much later) |
| [16:27:27] | gbee: | we need greater resilience, but I don't really know what that actually involves |
| [16:27:36] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:27:53] | gbee: | and we really need to stop users screwing with their database manually |
| [16:27:59] | sphery: | +1 |
| [16:28:07] | sphery: | MySQL embedded ftw! |
| [16:28:15] | jams: | well i would say drop mysql and use postgres..but doubtful that will happen =) |
| [16:29:12] | sphery: | mysql embedded has the huge advantage that it's a single-process DB (meaning that no process outside the process that's running it can access its data--well, without directly accessing the DB data files on disk, that is) |
| [16:29:22] | gbee: | embedded postgres? |
| [16:29:50] | gbee: | I gon't care what dbms is actually used, I just want it embedded, hidden from the user |
| [16:29:53] | sphery: | I'd hate to convert all the MySQL to Postgres |
| [16:30:20] | jams: | sphery- it's a pain. I started on it but got tired of correcting all the mysqlism crap |
| [16:30:32] | gbee: | sphery: which is just one reason embedded mysql makes the most sense, at least as a first step |
| [16:30:34] | sphery: | yeah, we have a lot of that |
| [16:30:47] | jams: | agreed there is alot of mysqlism |
| [16:31:28] | sphery: | Though I have to admit that http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6060 would completely circumvent any protections provided by the embedded DB |
| [16:31:43] | jams: | at one point I even had tried using jdbc. |
| [16:32:44] | jams: | you will probably get alot of complaints from people that have a seperate parition for mysql. |
| [16:33:02] | jams: | or seperate mysql server for that fact. |
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| [16:33:16] | sphery: | partition would be easy |
| [16:33:23] | sphery: | SG's could handle that |
| [16:33:36] | jams: | i suppose thats true |
| [16:33:38] | sphery: | the separate server probably isn't a problem, either--we'll need a mythdataserver type process |
| [16:33:50] | sphery: | just make it so that can run on any host, like mythjobqueue |
| [16:34:13] | sphery: | so the only "problem" will be that you'll have to install Myth stuff (libs and mythdataserver) to the host that runs mythdataserver |
| [16:34:29] | gbee: | we need to be less afraid of upsetting a minority (or even the majority) in order to make these important changes |
| [16:34:43] | sphery: | and since HDD space is /so/ valuable today, I'm sure a lot of people will complain, but I think it's for the greater good |
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| [16:35:37] | johannes__: | hi I can access my backend server via client (both running trunk) and have a look at the epg, but live tv does not work, I know this is trunk and it often doesnt work, but maybe someone knows a solution for this problem: http://pastebin.com/d21a71870 |
| [16:35:41] | jams: | just test it well. To date I have never seen an embedded mysql install go well. It will find a way to kill itself early and often. |
| [16:35:56] | sphery: | really |
| [16:35:59] | gbee: | but this is all talk, just as it was a month, 3 months, 6 months, 12 months .... 4 years ago |
| [16:36:01] | sphery: | not good news, there |
| [16:36:57] | gbee: | I won't have the time to do it for 0.23, so someone else will have to step up |
| [16:37:06] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:37:41] | abarbaccia: | im still having some trouble with the storage groups on mythvideo. im reading commits 19976–19979 but i don't understand what needs to change. |
| [16:38:03] | sphery: | If you tried to do it, I think we'd need to have an intervention (you've done far more than your share this time around, so some of the rest of us need to get involved). |
| [16:38:19] | jams: | sphery- for #6060 i think the people that would use it, are probably already ok messing around with their db. |
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| [16:39:33] | sphery: | jams: right, for now. But, once users can no longer run mysql client against their DB's someone will "help" by writing a contrib script or something that allows executing random SQL through that protocol command |
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| [16:40:02] | sphery: | i.e. once we go to embedded mysql, people--who are used to hacking/breaking their db's--will do what they can to find a way to get at the data |
| [16:41:01] | abarbaccia: | agree with sphery. reminds me of corporate america and dependence on excel |
| [16:41:03] | sphery: | rather than doing the right thing--making sure that the protocol provides access to the right data as well as providing integrity checks to ensure people don't do things that will break myth |
| [16:41:22] | _ben: | ick, embedded :/ |
| [16:41:33] | sphery: | johannes__: you don't have NFS or CIFS , right? |
| [16:41:41] | anykey_: | Why would I get 'Waiting for prebuffers' with VDPAU playing back BBC HD? I'm using a GeForce 9400GT with 512MB ram. |
| [16:41:56] | johannes__: | sphery no |
| [16:42:39] | songer: | phery, http://pastebin.com/d477007b5 |
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| [16:42:57] | sphery: | johannes__: it looks like you may be having the socket issues that danielk is trying to fix: MythSocket(563db70:32): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick). / RemoteEncoder::SendReceiveStringList(): No response. (resulting in GetEntryAt(-1) failed / EntryToProgram(0@Do. Jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo ) |
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| [16:43:26] | sphery: | songer: thanks... did you get it working? |
| [16:43:37] | johannes__: | are these problems related to the backend or frontend? |
| [16:43:42] | songer: | no |
| [16:44:16] | sphery: | johannes__: it's basically a problem whose source is unknown that seems to affect new distros (i.e. Ubuntu 9.04/FC10+ and probably others) |
| [16:44:27] | sphery: | and there's no known fix or workaround at this point |
| [16:44:36] | sphery: | some people get them and some don't |
| [16:44:52] | sphery: | but danielk does, so he has a good motivation to fix them, somehow :) |
| [16:45:11] | abarbaccia: | iamlindoro: sorry to be a pain, can you help point out changes needed to be made for SG in mythvideo (if you know)? i want to test before 0.22 closes |
| [16:45:23] | sphery: | songer: did you check to see if you have the MS core web fonts installed (something like mscorettfonts) |
| [16:45:39] | johannes__: | sphery I was so excited to get mythtv finally up and running, but thanks for the info, lets hope he can fix it |
| [16:46:00] | sphery: | abarbaccia: I really don't know. I haven't configured it on my systems (since only my dev box is running trunk currently and I'm not developing on that part of myth) |
| [16:46:10] | sphery: | johannes__: what distro? Ubuntu 9.04? |
| [16:46:21] | songer: | letme check |
| [16:46:33] | sphery: | songer: can you try running mythfrontend and post the output |
| [16:46:39] | sphery: | songer: mythtv is not the binary name |
| [16:46:45] | sphery: | it's a test program |
| [16:46:59] | abarbaccia: | sphery: yes. i'm testing this one piece specifically in a VM environment i have setup for just this... |
| [16:46:59] | johannes__: | sphery the backend is 9.04 and and the client kubuntu 9.10 |
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| [16:47:52] | abarbaccia: | i have -v network turned on and i don't see any queries to the myth protocol for the video list |
| [16:48:10] | abarbaccia: | s/to/through/ |
| [16:48:36] | sphery: | johannes__: yeah, then it's quite likely you just have the socket issue |
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| [16:49:39] | sphery: | johannes__: it exists on 0.21-fixes but is more common on trunk and it exists almost exclusively on new distros, so it could be anything from kernel/network subsystem changes to library changes (anything from glibc on up) |
| [16:50:47] | johannes__: | sphery I could try to use 8.04 for the backend, but its kernel doesnt support s2api |
| [16:50:52] | sphery: | in theory, we'll have it generally working by the time 0.22 is released, but if you could follow the commits log and if you see danielk commit any socket-related changes, you may want to upgrade/test at that version (both backend and frontend). And, if he requests feedback on the changes, any input you can give will likely help him fix it right. |
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| [16:52:08] | johannes__: | do you know the ticket number? |
| [16:52:52] | sphery: | there isn't really one, though he keeps referencing http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6516 for it (since that ticket mentions one symptom of the issue) |
| [16:54:24] | johannes__: | thx |
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| [17:11:46] | sphery: | abarbaccia: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythVideo_.22_Transition_Guide |
| [17:14:59] | songer: | sphery, http://pastebin.com/m2b57314b |
| [17:19:21] | sphery: | songer: can you try: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt |
| [17:20:01] | sphery: | songer: and if that doesn't work, try: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=opengl |
| [17:20:33] | songer: | I dit mythfrontend |
| [17:21:26] | songer: | but I can't see when it starts the output |
| [17:21:44] | sphery: | yeah, I'm wondering if either of the above will fix the problem |
| [17:21:53] | sphery: | I saw that was the right log file this time |
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| [17:21:58] | sphery: | it gave me what I wanted |
| [17:22:14] | songer: | ok |
| [17:22:37] | songer: | is |
| [17:22:41] | songer: | -O ThemePainter=opengl |
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| [17:26:28] | songer: | I did, mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt http://pastebin.com/d66e038cd |
| [17:26:33] | songer: | sphery |
| [17:27:13] | sphery: | songer: and mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=opengl didn't help, either? |
| [17:30:19] | songer: | no, mythtv opnes, but now gray |
| [17:30:44] | wagnerrp: | what is the check for compiling under freebsd? |
| [17:30:53] | wagnerrp: | '#ifdef __FreeBSD__'? |
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| [17:39:47] | wagnerrp: | what is this programs/mythtranscode/replex anyway... and why does it make such excessive use of O_LARGEFILE |
| [17:40:50] | iamlindoro: | replex is what we use during lossless transcode to put the streams back together |
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| [17:42:45] | Gav8in: | doh. |
| [17:43:12] | janneg: | wagnerrp: don't use that directly, use defines for a specific feature |
| [17:43:41] | wagnerrp: | janneg: what about '#if defined(__FreeBSD__)' |
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| [17:43:44] | wagnerrp: | or is that the same thing |
| [17:43:52] | wagnerrp: | it seems to work.... |
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| [17:44:32] | wagnerrp: | anyway, FreeBSD open() does not have a O_LARGEFILE flag |
| [17:45:04] | wagnerrp: | i was about to put up a patch that corrected for it, but if '#if defined(__FreeBSD__)' is not the correct format to use... |
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| [17:49:57] | janneg: | wagnerrp: libs/libmythtv/RingBuffer.cp just defines it to 0 if it's not defined |
| [17:50:23] | wagnerrp: | so just make one big define at the top of the file then? |
| [17:50:39] | wagnerrp: | small, rather |
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| [17:56:05] | RyeBrye: | http://pastebin.com/m22a44304 nvidia build error with mythtv trunk... is 190.25 too new? |
| [17:56:09] | Gav8in: | So, I did a dumb thing building mplayer. I forgot to rehash my path, so I couldn't understand why my testing of vdpau failed. |
| [17:56:17] | RyeBrye: | ( I did make clean / make distclean...) |
| [17:56:28] | wagnerrp: | 190.25 is currently beta, but it should still build |
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| [17:57:35] | henkpoley: | I'm still missing an awful lot of channels with the all multiplexes scan + find new mplex, from trunk |
| [17:57:49] | russk: | Can someone help with a schedules-direct question ... ? |
| [17:58:08] | gbee: | wagnerrp: #ifndef O_LARGEFILE\n#define O_LARGEFILE 0\n#endif |
| [17:58:12] | kormoc: | It's better to ask the question then to ask to ask... |
| [17:58:15] | wagnerrp: | russk: channel policy... dont ask for help, just ask the question |
| [17:58:20] | wagnerrp: | gbee... ah |
| [17:58:39] | russk: | I switched from satellite to verizon FiOS which is working fine |
| [17:59:05] | russk: | I have a HDHomeRun that scanned and found QAM channels |
| [17:59:18] | gbee: | wagnerrp: at least I think that's what janneg was suggesting and it makes sense |
| [17:59:21] | russk: | How do I add listings for the homerun? |
| [18:00:02] | wagnerrp: | russk: the same way you add listings for any other digital tuner |
| [18:00:42] | russk: | I use the same lineup then ? |
| [18:00:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | russk: Add a 2nd lineup on SD with an adjacent zip-code, using the same source, and remove the extra channels. |
| [18:00:54] | sphery: | gbee: so I noticed you're punishing me for not having gotten the orphaned-metadata-/file-handling support into mythbackend before 0.22... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/2919#comment:5 I suppose I deserve that. |
| [18:01:09] | russk: | oh, ok thanks ! |
| [18:01:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | russk: Then associate that lineup with your HDHR. ;-) PS: I'm switching to FiOS TV soon too... been an Internet customer for a couple of years now, just getting around to switching tv... |
| [18:02:47] | RyeBrye: | The error I'm getting is: /usr/lib64/libnvidia-tls.so.1: undefined reference to `__unixTLSWWMPDlsym(void*, char const*)' |
| [18:03:04] | russk: | the multi-room DVR is pretty sweet i have to admit |
| [18:03:08] | gbee: | sphery: :p |
| [18:03:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | russk: If you've got a HD box, check if things are in the clear over firewire... From what I understand there are several channels in the clear here. |
| [18:03:32] | wagnerrp: | russk: maybe, but its 10 years too late |
| [18:03:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | russk: I've used that before... it's called MYTHTV! ;-) |
| [18:03:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^ exactly! |
| [18:04:50] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: i mean replaytv had support to migrate recordings from one box to another before myth even existed |
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| [18:05:03] | russk: | you're right too, i've been enjoying MythTV for some time |
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| [18:06:31] | russk: | J-e-f-f-A: I don't have an HD box to check the firewire, I'm still using an old WinTV-PVR-USB2 |
| [18:06:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | russk: My first PVRs were DishPlayer 7200's, with drives I upgrade to 120GB for 100 hrs recording... about 9 years ago. But I've been using MythTV for about 6 years now – and for the first 3 years, the PVRs were just tuners for my myth box... ;-) |
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| [18:09:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | With firewire, can the 3 boxes be chained to one firewire port, or should they be connected to seperate firewire ports on the backend? |
| [18:10:17] | iamlindoro: | depends on the box and the firewire chipset |
| [18:10:20] | iamlindoro: | but short answer, yes |
| [18:10:26] | sid3windr: | heh |
| [18:10:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [18:10:35] | sid3windr: | it's always yes as it was an "or" question :> |
| [18:10:53] | iamlindoro: | yes to chaining |
| [18:11:08] | iamlindoro: | and, sometimes, yes to seperate ports :) |
| [18:11:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | Actually... do the FiOS HD boxes have multiple firewire ports? If not, then it'd have to be 1:1... ;-) |
| [18:12:11] | iamlindoro: | most of the moto boxes have two, so I'm guessing two, but not sure |
| [18:12:41] | wagnerrp: | aww... no trailer on the batman begins disk |
| [18:13:12] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yep, 2 firewire ports. ;-) |
| [18:13:28] | wagnerrp: | 6GB of bonus features, and another 300MB to make me feel good about buying HD |
| [18:13:30] | wagnerrp: | but no trailer |
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| [18:15:25] | kormoc: | Three Sheets! |
| [18:15:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Gee, do they make 6" firewire cables? ;-) |
| [18:17:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | close... 1 foot... |
| [18:17:54] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: hehe |
| [18:18:19] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: You'll be proud, today's whole wheat pasta is topped with vodka sauce |
| [18:18:25] | iamlindoro: | but no bacon bits, this is a training diet ;) |
| [18:18:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: already? It's only 11am for you! ;-) |
| [18:18:38] | wagnerrp: | looks like there is a short little teaser |
| [18:18:44] | wagnerrp: | no trailer, and definately not HD |
| [18:20:59] | iamlindoro: | We need people to start on translations of any of the fancy "Season/Episode" translation stuff in MythVideo's filename parsing is going to work in other languages... |
| [18:21:23] | iamlindoro: | Wondering i it might be worth sending out a call to translators to start now... |
| [18:22:16] | Gav8in: | iamlindoro: is someone already doing traditional chinese? |
| [18:22:35] | iamlindoro: | I don't imagine anyone has started on *any* language for .22, to be honest |
| [18:22:45] | iamlindoro: | (aside from english already being there, obviously) |
| [18:23:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | ooh, darn. I was going to offer to translate to English... :-( |
| [18:23:33] | Gav8in: | aye. my chinese is very poor, so i'm a poor choice to do it, but i will if noone else steps up. |
| [18:23:53] | Gav8in: | certainly i can't translate documentation, say. |
| [18:24:50] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Is it to early to send out an appeal for translations? |
| [18:25:33] | wagnerrp: | was WB the driving force behind HDDVD? |
| [18:25:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: and Microsoft. |
| [18:25:46] | wagnerrp: | because something like 2/3 of my movies are from them |
| [18:25:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Toshiba + WB + MS |
| [18:25:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | ^^ |
| [18:25:58] | wagnerrp: | well neither toshiba nor microsoft make content |
| [18:26:15] | iamlindoro: | toshiba made 90% of the hardware, that should count :) |
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| [18:26:47] | songer: | I can't make work mythtv |
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| [18:27:44] | sid3windr: | that's ok, neither can I ! |
| [18:28:56] | songer: | If I run mythtv fronted from aplication soun and video, just appear A bluee window wihtout word |
| [18:30:37] | Doris_: | oh nooooooooooo |
| [18:33:19] | juski: | songer: sounds like you need to install msttcorefonts |
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| [18:34:08] | juski: | oh ffs: http://ow.ly/lewp |
| [18:35:07] | songer: | ok |
| [18:35:12] | iamlindoro: | My head hurts looking at that |
| [18:35:29] | iamlindoro: | juski: The question is, Why is MythTV shaking babies? |
| [18:35:38] | juski: | lol |
| [18:35:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | ... and for the record, sphery and I both told him fonts like an hour ago... |
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| [18:36:16] | juski: | J-e-f-f-A: ah. well that's my contribution & it ends there |
| [18:36:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | juski: hehehe... ;) |
| [18:37:07] | sphery: | though he hasn't confirmed whether he's actually got them installed... |
| [18:37:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | juski: re the link — jeepers... I hope that's a junk cdrom drive... or that motor and/or it's gearing and/or belts aren't gonna last long... |
| [18:37:39] | sphery: | but to be fair, J-e-f-f-A told him he needs fonts and I just assumed that the hoof beats were zebras instead of horses |
| [18:38:38] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs ** | |
| [18:38:43] | sphery: | After I got more info to find out it wasn't the more ethereal causes of that breakage, I agreed that the J-e-f-f-A was probably right (which I should have done in the first place) |
| [18:39:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | ha! |
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| [18:44:41] | songer: | juski, whtas msttcorefonts |
| [18:45:02] | gbee: | iamlindoro: not at all, I was thinking about updating the ts files earlier |
| [18:45:32] | kormoc: | songer, Microsoft True Type Core Fonts |
| [18:45:32] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Sounds good, would be nice to give folks a few weeks/a month to get it done |
| [18:45:38] | juski: | microsoft truetype core fonts. several mythtv themes use them and you need to have them installed |
| [18:46:01] | kormoc: | songer, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web |
| [18:46:11] | iamlindoro: | Worst comes to worst I'll translate the MythVideo strings in the languages I know so that the filename-parsing-in-native-language works |
| [18:46:18] | juski: | until non-sucky GPL compatible fonts are found ... |
| [18:47:31] | BoumBoum: | try to find non-sticky too |
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| [18:47:53] | juski: | oh damnit, distcc isn't playing ball |
| [18:47:59] | kormoc: | juski, there are the Liberation fonts |
| [18:48:03] | sphery: | juski: though on *buntu, they're just using Liberation via font replacements |
| [18:48:09] | sphery: | (and most *buntu users don't realize it) |
| [18:48:17] | juski: | the kerning still suchs |
| [18:48:20] | juski: | *sucks |
| [18:48:34] | iamlindoro: | Qt font rendering doesn't help |
| [18:48:36] | iamlindoro: | it's terrible |
| [18:48:59] | sphery: | yeah, I hear it's a bit heavy on the brush strokes... |
| [18:49:03] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:49:18] | songer: | I already install msttcorefonts, but it happens the same thing |
| [18:49:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | songer: Humm... well, that's the only time i've seen that issue myself... :-( |
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| [18:50:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | songer: or, as sphery noted, if OpenGL painting was selected,and the card didn't support it, but using the override to use QT should have fixed that... I'm outta ideas! |
| [18:51:02] | sphery: | songer: if that's the case, I'd suggest--due to the plethora of X errors you're getting--I'd gues you may have a problem with your video card drivers or X itself. |
| [18:51:26] | sphery: | sphery: Well, you told me I have a plethora. And I just would like to know if you know what a plethora is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a plethora, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a plethora. |
| [18:51:47] | sphery: | Ah, The Three Amigos! Great movie. :) |
| [18:52:10] | juski: | did I just step into a parallel dimension? |
| [18:52:20] | iamlindoro: | Little Sphery goes to new York? Little Sphery at the OK Corral? |
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| [18:52:33] | ** J-e-f-f-A is ROTFLMAO!!!! wow... ** | |
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| [18:52:50] | cityLights: | what is give voice? |
| [18:53:03] | cityLights: | hi sphery |
| [18:53:15] | kormoc: | It means Anduin is a channel op |
| [18:53:38] | songer: | whta can I do to fix the problems with my video card |
| [18:53:42] | cityLights: | I read that this cal guy submitted the alsa patch that was merged two days ago |
| [18:53:55] | kormoc: | Good for you? |
| [18:54:02] | sphery: | cityLights: yeah, the ALSA input patch is in current trunk |
| [18:54:21] | cityLights: | I also asked on the pulseaudio channel and was told that most distros these days use pulse |
| [18:54:31] | iamlindoro: | We do not. |
| [18:54:34] | iamlindoro: | And won't. |
| [18:54:42] | cityLights: | and that fedora no longer supports oss |
| [18:54:59] | cityLights: | hi iamlindoro |
| [18:55:01] | sphery: | cityLights: anything that uses ALSA drivers supports the OSS API |
| [18:55:04] | cityLights: | look I am just a user |
| [18:55:08] | juski: | if pulseaudio allowed low latency – which in turn allows audio to stay in sync with video... ;-) |
| [18:55:10] | sphery: | the API is all we use, not the OSS drivers |
| [18:55:22] | cityLights: | right |
| [18:55:33] | sphery: | API just lets us talk to the drivers and the ALSA drivers allow us to talk using either ALSA API or OSS API |
| [18:55:41] | sphery: | all you have to do is load the OSS compatiblity modules |
| [18:55:41] | juski: | sometimes users are lucky & it works fine. other times.. not so much |
| [18:55:42] | iamlindoro: | I'm just a caveman. I was out walking along the ice one day and fell in. Maybe your complex modern "DVRs" scare and confuse me, but I know one thing, and that's that sphery is innocent |
| [18:55:46] | cityLights: | the mentioned a delay() dont remember the right name |
| [18:56:15] | cityLights: | any way they calim they got lip-sync in mplayer and gst toward bluetooth headset |
| [18:56:22] | sphery: | Forgive me, El Guapo. I know that I, Jefe, do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on me? |
| [18:56:23] | iamlindoro: | cityLights: .22 is feature frozen, we will not be adding/modifying any more features or support for any more APIs |
| [18:56:38] | ** juski smacks distcc ** | |
| [18:56:43] | cityLights: | so they cliam that if the program is writen in compliance to |
| [18:56:52] | cityLights: | ALSA it should all work fine |
| [18:57:18] | sphery: | cityLights: note that none of this is related to the ALSA input patch that went in |
| [18:57:23] | juski: | cityLights: story I heard was that a pulseaudio dev said there was no easy way around the problem |
| [18:57:31] | iamlindoro: | cityLights: Unless you are writing the patches to make it work, nobody wants to hear the lecture |
| [18:57:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | cityLights: sure, you'll get sound with Pulseaudio, but what good is it if it's 1/2 a second (or more?) out of sync with the video? |
| [18:57:50] | iamlindoro: | It's very, very rude |
| [18:57:53] | Gorgen: | "Error opening jump program file buffer".. it's getting annoying now |
| [18:58:04] | juski: | anyway wth are they playing at? if anything latencies should be getting *lower* |
| [18:58:25] | sphery: | Gorgen: are you the guy on the list who pasted a question about that error? |
| [18:58:38] | Gorgen: | nopes |
| [18:58:57] | Gorgen: | sphery: but if you need any help testing or so I'll be glad to help |
| [18:59:11] | sphery: | no, sorry... I don't know what causes that |
| [18:59:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | cityLights: It's like watching an old Japanese movie dubbed over in English... No thanks. |
| [18:59:19] | sphery: | thought I just read an e-mail mentioning it, though |
| [18:59:25] | sphery: | can't find it, so I'm probably wrong |
| [18:59:41] | cityLights: | ok I just want to see if I can tell them some how to fix this |
| [18:59:51] | Gorgen: | sphery: I get that message and one about "A/V sync" or something similar.. happens when zapping between HD channels |
| [19:00:18] | cityLights: | I love your program , and use it often |
| [19:00:18] | sphery: | I'm guessing it was in a pastebin I saw from a user in here... |
| [19:00:20] | sphery: | can't find it |
| [19:00:34] | cityLights: | I am looking forward to 0.22 and the utf supprt |
| [19:01:04] | cityLights: | however mythtv and pulse can't live on the same system |
| [19:01:18] | cityLights: | thus most distro will have issues running 0.22 |
| [19:01:23] | iamlindoro: | cityLights: I understand that there is a language barrier, but you need to understand that it is not appropriate to tell this channel, or any other channel, what needs improving/how it should be improved unless you are going to do the work yourself. It is very, very offensive |
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| [19:01:24] | cityLights: | right? |
| [19:01:26] | laga: | mythbuntu will be fine. ;) |
| [19:01:27] | iamlindoro: | WRONG |
| [19:01:28] | sphery: | MythBuntu and mythDora won't :) |
| [19:01:49] | cityLights: | o |
| [19:01:52] | cityLights: | sorry |
| [19:01:56] | cityLights: | I didnt get that |
| [19:01:57] | sphery: | where "won't" means "won't have problems" |
| [19:01:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | cityLights: nope... "yum remove pulseaudio" works fine for me... |
| [19:02:01] | iamlindoro: | Myth can disable pulse. Now please, PLEASE stop saying how things "should" work, or how things "will" work. It is *rude* and OFFENSIVE. |
| [19:02:08] | laga: | yeah |
| [19:02:14] | laga: | and we've heard it a million times |
| [19:02:16] | cityLights: | ok |
| [19:02:19] | laga: | and nobody cares. :) |
| [19:02:28] | cityLights: | iamlindoro: I am very sorry |
| [19:02:33] | iamlindoro: | apology accepted :) |
| [19:02:36] | cityLights: | I didnt mean to offend anyone |
| [19:02:54] | cityLights: | I will not mention this again |
| [19:03:07] | BoumBoum: | t y |
| [19:03:08] | Gorgen: | sphery: well I can provide you with a pastebin if you'd like to dig into the problem :) |
| [19:03:12] | Gav8in: | but if you come bearing a patch... |
| [19:03:29] | cityLights: | does anyone here know how to get in touch with that cal person that wrote the alsa patch? |
| [19:03:36] | cityLights: | I mean maybe he can help me |
| [19:03:43] | iamlindoro: | cityLights: help you with what? |
| [19:03:51] | cityLights: | solve this issue |
| [19:03:56] | iamlindoro: | what issue? |
| [19:03:57] | sphery: | Gorgen: a pastebin of the logs would be interesting, but I can't promise I'll be able to help at all |
| [19:04:02] | cityLights: | which I wrote about before |
| [19:04:08] | kormoc: | cityLights, the problem is the pulse developers know the audio sync is a issue with certain ALSA features we use that pulse doesn't do well. If we dropped the features, it'd work well with Pulse, but we won't, and thus it's a stalemate |
| [19:04:11] | iamlindoro: | which one? |
| [19:04:17] | cityLights: | I mean he does know alsa inside and out |
| [19:04:36] | iamlindoro: | he wrote a patch to allow ALSA input for framegrabbers. That has NOTHING to do with pulse. |
| [19:04:43] | kormoc: | cityLights, or you just enable ALSA OSS Emulation and continue to use OSS capturing? |
| [19:04:53] | sphery: | cityLights: explaining what issue you're having will allow people to suggest fixes or workarounds |
| [19:04:55] | kormoc: | cause you know, that does work *now* and will continue to work... |
| [19:05:01] | gbee: | "utf supprt"?? Err, we've supported UTF for years |
| [19:05:13] | cityLights: | right |
| [19:05:20] | kormoc: | sphery, he's explained it before, he was ALSA only, no oss emulation layer |
| [19:05:30] | Gav8in: | what's UTF? UTF-8? |
| [19:05:33] | cityLights: | gbee: I am reffering to the power search using only hebrew letters |
| [19:05:35] | Gav8in: | UTF-16 ? |
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| [19:05:47] | Dagmar: | Google it |
| [19:05:59] | gbee: | Gav8in: in this case, both |
| [19:06:17] | kormoc: | gbee, we suspect his issue is the RTL tokens in the listings feed, but have been unable to get a raw dump of his data to search for said tokens |
| [19:06:46] | sphery: | cityLights: really, the issue you have with UTF-8 can easily be worked around by not using the power search stuff--i.e. everything works for you as long as you do not type in the title in a power search rule |
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| [19:07:03] | kormoc: | gbee, and by we, I mean me |
| [19:07:25] | sphery: | and, if it is an issue, is probably not fixed by trunk's changes to utf-8 handling--it probably requires proper RTL support |
| [19:07:36] | gbee: | it's not a UTF-8 issue anyway |
| [19:07:41] | cityLights: | sphery: right all if fine as long as I dont use power search |
| [19:08:01] | edman007: | hmm, if my cable company has encrypted HD, it there any way at all that i could hook that up to mythtv? are there cable boxes that will give me an unencrypted QAM feed? |
| [19:08:08] | ** kormoc is amused that city lights wouldn't be able to use power ** | |
| [19:08:26] | kormoc: | edman007, QAM, no, HDPVR, yes |
| [19:08:29] | cityLights: | but it is importent as my epg gives every chapter of californication a diffrent name |
| [19:08:32] | iamlindoro: | edman007: No. You would need to capture an analog output of the cable box. One option in the forthcoming MythTV .22 is the Hauppauge HD-PVR |
| [19:08:44] | cityLights: | so regular rules dont record the session |
| [19:08:55] | iamlindoro: | where you can capture the component outputs of the box, which will be HD |
| [19:10:06] | edman007: | iamlindoro, and that will work with linux? |
| [19:10:22] | cityLights: | so , I just wanted to drop by, see if there is anything that can help with. |
| [19:10:27] | iamlindoro: | Yes, there is a linux driver |
| [19:10:27] | Gorgen: | sphery: http://pastebin.com/m55dd55ae |
| [19:10:38] | edman007: | great, i'll try and buy that then :) |
| [19:10:43] | iamlindoro: | and support will be included in the next realse |
| [19:10:46] | iamlindoro: | er release |
| [19:10:54] | iamlindoro: | which will be in a month or so |
| [19:11:04] | cityLights: | hope that after the weekend I can do more, with tring to talk to the pulse ppl |
| [19:11:55] | cityLights: | anyway msg me if there is anything |
| [19:12:18] | edman007: | iamlindoro, great, thanks |
| [19:12:28] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [19:13:07] | ** J-e-f-f-A is trying to figure out what Pulse Audio has to do with Power searches... ** | |
| [19:13:20] | cityLights: | oh come on |
| [19:13:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | Oh wait, they both start with "P"... |
| [19:13:27] | cityLights: | oh |
| [19:13:49] | iamlindoro: | Four syllables |
| [19:13:53] | iamlindoro: | Two words |
| [19:14:27] | cityLights: | If I only knew how to work with mysql I would have try to solve this |
| [19:14:43] | cityLights: | I am just finishing the first year of studies |
| [19:14:55] | cityLights: | I just wanted to help |
| [19:15:15] | laga: | cityLights: hint: you can learn stuff without having to take classes ;) |
| [19:15:21] | cityLights: | I will try to understand how they suggest to solve this |
| [19:15:24] | iamlindoro: | cityLights: The intentions are very very appreciated-- but if you don't know how to write the code, the best thing to do sometimes is to stay out of it |
| [19:15:47] | cityLights: | no way, I will write good code |
| [19:15:51] | cityLights: | belive you me |
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| [19:16:06] | iamlindoro: | cityLights: in that case sometimes the best thing to do is remain silent until you have written it |
| [19:16:16] | cityLights: | right |
| [19:17:44] | laga: | does the flash player in mythweb use h.264 or flv? |
| [19:18:19] | edman007: | laga, flv is a wrapper, h264 is a codec, it is possible to make a h264 flv |
| [19:18:28] | edman007: | and youtube uses that |
| [19:18:42] | Gorgen: | sphery: the problem only occurs when using sasc.. sasc decrypts the channel and then suddenly states that it gets a switch command |
| [19:18:55] | laga: | edman007: heh, i never thought that would happen to me. |
| [19:19:05] | sphery: | Gorgen: Yeah, I'm not going to be any help--that's beyond me. I don't even see any errors in there. Though I think the other guy having that jump program issue was using DVB-S2 |
| [19:19:09] | laga: | does the flash player in mythweb use h.264 or the older codec? |
| [19:19:14] | sphery: | Gorgen: and please don't mention SASC here |
| [19:19:17] | iamlindoro: | Gorgen: Softcam discussion is not welcome here |
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| [19:19:27] | iamlindoro: | further talk is likely to get you banned |
| [19:19:40] | iamlindoro: | and no, it's not up for discussion, we don't want to hear about where it's legal, etc. |
| [19:20:03] | sphery: | because of http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mailing_List_etiqu . . . _aware_of.3F (#5) |
| [19:21:17] | Gorgen: | okey.. so then it's probably not likely I'll get any help with this problem? |
| [19:21:19] | juski: | oh I give up on this. back to plain old cc |
| [19:21:44] | iamlindoro: | Gorgen: Nope, you're running an unsupported (and in the home of many of the devs, illegal) configuration |
| [19:21:54] | iamlindoro: | So we can't provide any support for you here |
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| [19:24:40] | juski: | had another look at the redraw code today. put some verbose in to try & see what's going on.. no dice. just a bunch of numbers & they seemed to make sense within the context of the qt functions used to determine which areas need a redraw |
| [19:25:54] | juski: | I still have a suspicion the problem is that qt is normalising coordinates. if it is that, working around it could be a sod |
| [19:26:00] | Gorgen: | ok, that's understandable.. so I should probably try to get hold of a proper CAM and try with that.. Is there any CAM support in mythtv? |
| [19:26:17] | juski: | Gorgen: hardware decryption is supported |
| [19:26:36] | juski: | though AFAIK it's transparent to the user |
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| [19:28:24] | juski: | spotted a gotcha though. QRect::unite is now QRect::united since version 4.2 |
| [19:28:31] | sphery: | Gorgen: right, so with a proper cam it should just work (assuming you can get hardware cam for DVB-S2) |
| [19:29:25] | sphery: | juski: since we now require a minimum of Qt 4.4 (though Qt 4.3 might be "partially" supported), changing it shouldn't be an issue. |
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| [19:30:07] | juski: | sphery: figured that. changing it won't hurt AFAICT, but it won't fix anything either |
| [19:30:18] | sphery: | ah :( |
| [19:30:55] | ** laga builds trunk on the laptop ** | |
| [19:30:58] | juski: | isEmpty definitely normalises coords, but that won't be the problem where it's used |
| [19:31:39] | juski: | it might even be a qt bug. I'll see if I can do some digging |
| [19:32:18] | laga: | i found a bug in the javadoc for a sun java package. i'm such a hero ;) |
| [19:32:50] | sphery: | I found one years ago--the link to winzip was old :) |
| [19:33:03] | sphery: | er, infozip, I mean |
| [19:33:54] | laga: | sphery: ha! awesome :) |
| [19:35:10] | jpabq: | Hey sphery, just saw your comment. Turned on my laptop, then got busy and have not checked irc until now. |
| [19:35:38] | wagnerrp: | apparently Halo 3: ODST is voiced by the crew of the firefly |
| [19:35:58] | iamlindoro: | Serenity ;) |
| [19:36:05] | CoreDump|home: | cool |
| [19:36:06] | wagnerrp: | err... that ship too |
| [19:36:11] | iamlindoro: | There are many Fireflies :) |
| [19:36:17] | sphery: | jpabq: heh, yeah, just thought it was sad it's taken me well over a year to get to work on that one |
| [19:36:18] | wagnerrp: | how about the crew of one particular firefly |
| [19:36:30] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [19:36:35] | jpabq: | sphery: I had completely forgotten about it. |
| [19:36:49] | sphery: | well, it was a good idea |
| [19:37:13] | sphery: | though I may have to delay it to do some other "fix users broken db's" work, instead |
| [19:38:08] | jpabq: | sphery: glad to hear it. Of course I am still trying to remember the specifics..... You have proven many times that your memory is better than anyone elses' I know! |
| [19:38:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: hey, I got mine fixed – mostly all by myself... ;-) hehehehe |
| [19:39:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | jpabq: Especially when he blasts relevant specific web links out like machine-gun fire... ;-) |
| [19:39:43] | sphery: | jpabq: after you switched TV providers, your chanid's changed, so all the recorded programs showed stuff like "#1021" for the channel number ("#<chanid>") rather than a pretty channel number with channel icon |
| [19:39:59] | sphery: | and really, it's just my mail client (and gossamer) that have good memories :) |
| [19:40:31] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i have to let you know... graphite running in 8-bit jpeg VNC looks god awful |
| [19:40:34] | juski: | hmm according to the qt docs themselves, qrect can do some pretty weird stuff if there are negative numbers. If you wanna go negative they say, use QRectF |
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| [19:40:46] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: hehehe, forgive me if I don't account for/fix that :) |
| [19:41:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: gee, why haven't you swtiched to NX yet??? yikes... VNC is like so... 90's... |
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| [19:41:34] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: got a free windows NX client in mind? |
| [19:41:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Yep, the one from Nomachine.com. The client is free... |
| [19:41:58] | sphery: | free of charge != free |
| [19:42:06] | sphery: | is it really free? |
| [19:42:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | Yep. |
| [19:42:16] | iamlindoro: | Stallman free != normal people free |
| [19:42:36] | J-e-f-f-A: | The *server* isn't free, but the client is. |
| [19:42:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | But 'freenx' takes care of the server part... ;-) |
| [19:43:04] | wagnerrp: | Stallman free means you cant buy razers either |
| [19:44:22] | iamlindoro: | paul-h going to town on the release notes |
| [19:44:31] | jpabq: | sphery: Ah yes. I remember now. Was not that significant, because it was easy to fix-up in mysql. |
| [19:44:38] | juski: | iamlindoro: somebody had to |
| [19:45:01] | iamlindoro: | juski: Heh, I've updated them w/ the major stuff, and I know gbee has too, but paul-h is getting to the nitty gritty |
| [19:46:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp, sphery – They have free clients for Windoze, Linux, Mac and Solaris. |
| [19:46:29] | ** J-e-f-f-A <3's NX.... ;-) ** | |
| [19:46:42] | ** sphery wonders what a 7.2 channel A/V reciever is... ** | |
| [19:46:47] | juski: | iamlindoro: just out of interest did you ever try my gl painter diff? Just wondering if it made a difference to the redrawing issue. I doubt it did |
| [19:46:47] | sphery: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882120147 |
| [19:46:54] | jams: | dual subwoofer |
| [19:46:58] | iamlindoro: | juski: Did try, did not make a difference |
| [19:47:01] | sphery: | why for? |
| [19:47:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: dual subwoofer... darn you jams! ;-) |
| [19:47:17] | sphery: | low-freq isn't really recognizable as directional |
| [19:47:20] | juski: | sphery: for people whose ears are more than 2 metres apart of course |
| [19:47:25] | sphery: | just to get more booming? |
| [19:47:37] | jams: | not for sure why, just know it's there |
| [19:47:42] | iamlindoro: | Those people should buy buttkickers |
| [19:47:47] | sphery: | no joke |
| [19:47:53] | iamlindoro: | http://www.thebuttkicker.com/ |
| [19:47:58] | jams: | maybe it's for dual zoneing ? |
| [19:48:10] | ** wagnerrp remembers ads for an AIWA sofa ** | |
| [19:48:16] | sphery: | just shake the couch a bit and you get more than increasing the sound could give |
| [19:48:30] | juski: | when are they gonna go to town & have 256.16 systems? :-O |
| [19:49:01] | sphery: | I still don't get the 5.1-channel headphones |
| [19:49:18] | sphery: | sure, they're faking it with delays, but really, how precise is it? |
| [19:49:54] | juski: | movies should be about the collective experience IMHO, not about people being alone |
| [19:50:24] | sphery: | works for those of you with friends... |
| [19:50:40] | gbee: | what, people talking over my movies? |
| [19:50:41] | sphery: | I have to watch my movies alone then quote them on here. :) |
| [19:51:06] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: looks like nxserver is only available for 32-bit systems |
| [19:51:17] | juski: | ugh. what on Earth... ? Just opened the images in the blootube-wide ticket.. are people trying to make me maintain the thing or what? |
| [19:51:52] | iamlindoro: | juski: Is that the one from elkin? |
| [19:51:55] | gbee: | although I like telling everyone the twist 10 minutes into the film, not that I'm especially clever, just that hollywood isn't clever |
| [19:52:22] | juski: | iamlindoro: brings posters etc to the theme. that one |
| [19:52:50] | iamlindoro: | juski: #? |
| [19:53:05] | gbee: | juski: oh don't get me started, there are some who would ruin Terra :( |
| [19:53:17] | henkpoley: | Is there some way to kick mythbackend to update EIT *now* ? |
| [19:53:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: server? I use 'freenx' on my 64bit linux box. |
| [19:53:31] | iamlindoro: | henkpoley: no |
| [19:53:31] | henkpoley: | I'm tired of waiting for thing to decide now is the right time |
| [19:53:46] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: it may be a limitation of the freebsd port |
| [19:53:52] | juski: | bugger. can't find it now |
| [19:54:14] | iamlindoro: | juski: Sure it wasn't from the theme mailing list? |
| [19:54:17] | iamlindoro: | (ie not a ticket?) |
| [19:54:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: you should be able to d/l the source and compile it yourself... ;-) |
| [19:54:44] | juski: | iamlindoro: yeah might've been. I downloaded the archive the other day. only just looked at it |
| [19:54:51] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: apparently the packaged font server will not compile on freebsd-amd64 |
| [19:54:58] | wagnerrp: | font something |
| [19:55:03] | iamlindoro: | juski: Yeah, think it was that thread-- from elkin |
| [19:55:07] | juski: | iamlindoro: yup |
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| [19:55:18] | songer: | can you check this http://pastebin.com/m3054bb07 |
| [19:55:31] | iamlindoro: | would have been nice if he just posted a preview image |
| [19:55:34] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: DOH! That stinks. NX is awesome... 1000x better than VNC... |
| [19:55:40] | songer: | I did apt-cache search mythtv and i got that |
| [19:56:03] | iamlindoro: | juski: I'm certainly not going to install it to look at it |
| [19:56:10] | juski: | heh |
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| [19:56:28] | juski: | I've got em all on my linux machines, for testing |
| [19:56:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: Not sure if this page is current and/or will help, but I just found this: http://www.deweyonline.com/nx/freebsd.html |
| [19:57:08] | juski: | sigh. I wish I was as good at reading code as I am at copying & pasting |
| [19:57:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, those are the ports complaining about not running on amd64 |
| [19:57:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: doh! |
| [19:57:47] | wagnerrp: | i just disabled the complaint for now, to see if i can work through it |
| [19:58:43] | juski: | thought I read something about some qt bits only using 16-bit numbers.. but that wouldn't be causing the redrawing issues either. least I'd hope not. I mean who runs X at > 65536 x something? |
| [19:59:32] | wagnerrp: | nasa |
| [19:59:35] | juski: | heh |
| [19:59:46] | wagnerrp: | maybe some NOCs |
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| [20:00:06] | songer: | J-e-f-f-A, can you check this http://pastebin.com/d66e038cd |
| [20:00:14] | juski: | better leave this one to the grownups. Back to shoehorning fx in |
| [20:01:04] | juski: | have to turn *working* code into doing it *properly* |
| [20:02:14] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, that's still 34 1920 screens in a row wide, or 64 1200 screens tall |
| [20:02:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | songer: That doesn't mean much to me.... Lots of errors though, that seem to be related to video/drawing, etc. |
| [20:02:54] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i suppose when youre running a videowall that large, youve got dozens of machines powering it... |
| [20:04:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: ps: looking at the pics for that receiver, it's got 11 speaker outputs — 6 alone for Front Right/Left, Wide R/L and "High" R/L... yikes. |
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| [20:04:42] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: those arent all for the same room are they? |
| [20:04:45] | songer: | ok. I want to star again from cero |
| [20:04:56] | wagnerrp: | usually those high end receivers are designed for multi-room setups |
| [20:05:07] | messerting: | Hi, simple question: What does it mean when the log says stuff like "Program #6 not found in PAT!". Is it something unexpected or is it normal behavior? |
| [20:05:31] | wagnerrp: | messerting: it means your cablecompany has shuffled digital channels around on you |
| [20:05:31] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: yeah, seems (at first glance to a guy who knows nothing about audio) pretty nice. It's on sale on newegg's 24-hr sale today. |
| [20:05:36] | wagnerrp: | you need to rescan |
| [20:05:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: they appear to be... I dunno... Only the 'surround' speaker outputs are labelled with additional lables, such as "Surround/Zone 3 R" |
| [20:06:11] | messerting: | wagnerrp: hm, ok, but I just started out with a fresh db, and a newly created channels.conf (from w_scan) |
| [20:06:54] | juski: | QPainter::drawPie ?! :-O |
| [20:07:06] | sphery: | messerting: you need to use the mythtv channel scanner to get best results |
| [20:07:14] | sphery: | juski: mmmm... draw pie. |
| [20:07:23] | sphery: | (think Homer Simpson) |
| [20:07:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: one odd thing about it (imho anyways), is the front video input doesnt' have S-Video... |
| [20:07:34] | sphery: | though his was floor pie |
| [20:07:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Although it's got Digital audio input... strange... |
| [20:07:49] | messerting: | sphery: I tried the new "full scan" in mythtv trunk, and chose "germany" (although I am in Norway), and got no channels at all. Something else I can try? |
| [20:07:51] | juski: | funny, I always think of Weebl & Bob when I see the word Pie |
| [20:07:53] | sphery: | S-Video = analog, so who cares :) |
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| [20:08:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Yeah I know, but of all things, the front aux input is only *composite*... yuck. |
| [20:08:31] | sphery: | messerting: analog or digital channels? |
| [20:08:38] | messerting: | but I do have a whole bunch of channels inserted now, maybe I should delete some |
| [20:08:38] | laga: | messerting: okay. you chose the wrong settings and it didn't work? wow :) |
| [20:08:38] | sphery: | messerting: nvm... PAT would be digital |
| [20:08:43] | messerting: | digital, DVB-C |
| [20:09:07] | messerting: | laga: choices was "england" and "germany" ;) |
| [20:10:15] | sphery: | messerting: Seems we have UK, Finland, Sweden, Australia, Germany, Spain, New Zealand, France, and DVB-C Germany |
| [20:10:17] | janneg: | messerting: use full scan (tuned) |
| [20:10:52] | janneg: | sphery: that's mostly DVB-T |
| [20:10:52] | messerting: | sphery, anything I can do to provide the info needed for Norway? |
| [20:11:32] | janneg: | messerting: it's more like the info for your cable provider |
| [20:11:38] | sphery: | messerting: janneg knows /much/ more about it than I |
| [20:12:01] | messerting: | janneg: but then I need to enter the frequency, right (tuned)? how do I find the right one? |
| [20:12:15] | ** messerting dvb-c newbie, sorry.. ** | |
| [20:12:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: holy bleep.. the thing has network capability – can stream internet radio directly... yikes. |
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| [20:14:20] | messerting: | I'll try to clean out some channels first, and see if that helps :) |
| [20:14:32] | sphery: | nice... I was wondering what the network part of the title meant. |
| [20:15:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=HT-RC180& . . . iver&p=i |
| [20:15:13] | juski: | hmm no qt bugs open for united or intersect. back t' drawing board |
| [20:15:31] | juski: | least not any relevant uns |
| [20:16:27] | gbee: | heh, they've rebooted Stargate? |
| [20:16:46] | anykey_: | gbee: SG-1? |
| [20:16:59] | sphery: | SG Universe? |
| [20:17:02] | ** sphery can't wait ** | |
| [20:17:08] | ** kormoc weeps for SG1 ** | |
| [20:17:09] | ** CoreDump|home neither ** | |
| [20:17:45] | sphery: | kormoc: I'm hoping you mean you weep for its having ended... |
| [20:17:56] | CoreDump|home: | atlantis wasn't too bad either IMO |
| [20:17:57] | iamlindoro: | Startgate is like windows-- no matter how many times you reboot it, it just ain't gonna get good |
| [20:18:01] | iamlindoro: | er Stargate |
| [20:18:11] | ** iamlindoro ducks ** | |
| [20:18:15] | sphery: | oh, them is fighting words |
| [20:18:16] | juski: | hear hear |
| [20:18:23] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, Jewel... Staite... |
| [20:18:27] | ** kormoc lights iamlindoro on fire ** | |
| [20:18:40] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: I'll watch Firefly, kthx ;) |
| [20:18:50] | juski: | I saw one by accident once – the one with Dan Castanetella in it – it wasn't awful |
| [20:18:54] | janneg: | messerting: you have to find it somewhere, you need frequency, symbol rate and modulation |
| [20:19:11] | sphery: | iamlindoro is officially removed from the JS fan club--no christmas card this year |
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| [20:19:33] | messerting: | janneg: ok, I guess I could use w_scan for that, will check it out, thanks |
| [20:19:35] | ** iamlindoro makes a peace offering: http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/78874-6.jpg ** | |
| [20:19:57] | kormoc: | Ooh, that's a much higher res one then I had... |
| [20:20:14] | iamlindoro: | or possibly http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/78874-7.jpg ? |
| [20:20:18] | iamlindoro: | or http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/fanart/original/78874-8.jpg ? |
| [20:20:31] | juski: | there should be more scifi featuring ladies wearing skimpy costumery |
| [20:21:21] | laga: | is there something wrong with that camera? they all look like they got beat up |
| [20:21:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro: wow, doc doesn't look like doc |
| [20:23:24] | gbee: | yeah I was referring to SG: Universe, which unashamedly borrows from the plot from Voyager and the mood from things like BSG – at least according to the trailer I just saw |
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| [20:24:23] | gbee: | looks far darker, moodier, sexier and more adult as a result, though I probably won't ever see it – it's being shown on Sky One over here :/ |
| [20:24:38] | juski: | Sky Three in 2012 :D |
| [20:24:53] | juski: | we'll all have forgotten about it by then though |
| [20:24:58] | wagnerrp: | gbee: as opposed to SG-1, which had full frontal nudity |
| [20:25:18] | juski: | of men. lol |
| [20:25:35] | wagnerrp: | what? no... Daniel's wife |
| [20:25:41] | juski: | ruh? |
| [20:25:41] | gbee: | juski: that a guess or something you've actually read? Sky have never actually put their 'major' series on Sky Three, closest I've seen them come was showing Weeds a couple of years later |
| [20:25:57] | juski: | gbee: they've done it with '24' in the past |
| [20:26:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, beginning of season one... remember, it was on Showtime |
| [20:26:23] | juski: | wagnerrp: never saw anything that interesting whenever I caught my dad watching it |
| [20:26:32] | gbee: | juski: really? Guess I missed that because I wasn't interested in 24 by the time it moved to Sky |
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| [20:26:49] | juski: | gbee: yeah. they've had S6 on I think |
| [20:26:53] | wagnerrp: | its rather pointless and gratuitous... only on screen for a couple seconds |
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| [20:27:08] | wagnerrp: | i think they just needed it to pass the Showtime censors |
| [20:27:20] | wagnerrp: | no nudity... no funding.... |
| [20:27:23] | juski: | wagnerrp: most teevee is pointless & gratuitous ;) |
| [20:27:43] | juski: | ahh, so much to do, so little focus |
| [20:28:07] | laga: | juski: heh. irc is instant ADS ;) |
| [20:28:17] | laga: | s/ADS/ADD |
| [20:28:25] | sphery: | wagnerrp: that's exactly it--the DVD bonus feature audio commentary says so |
| [20:28:48] | juski: | I managed to get that clock thing going in tiny snippets of time I got on saturday |
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| [20:28:54] | gbee: | wagnerrp: don't really remember that, but I'd have to say that on balance, SG-1 and even more so, Atlantis were light-hearted and even family friendly – at least by European standards |
| [20:29:11] | dustybin: | http://imgur.com/TtLdb.jpg |
| [20:29:18] | kormoc: | gbee, it was the pilot episode |
| [20:29:23] | juski: | this weekend has me going out boozing all day saturday, then laying new cat5 & alarm cabling under the floor at some point |
| [20:29:58] | wagnerrp: | not going for 6 or 7 |
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| [20:30:36] | juski: | nah I have cat5 cable. been banned from buying any more |
| [20:30:53] | juski: | it'll do for what I have planned for it |
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| [20:30:56] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, only the pilot episode, and because it was so pointless and gratuitous, they were easily able to edit it for broadcast |
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| [20:31:21] | gbee: | if you don't immediately understand what I mean by that, I'm not sure I could really explain, but there is a whole slew (well majority) really of US series which are twee and superficial, doesn't make them unenjoyable but I like my TV to be darker, grittier and generally more realistic in the portrayal of events, human behaviour etc |
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| [20:31:33] | juski: | still need to finish my cat5 audio senders for my whole house audio project |
| [20:32:55] | sphery: | and as long as it's cat5e, you can go up to 10Gbe: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/24/solarflare_loms/ |
| [20:33:22] | cityLights: | quick question is audiooutputalsa.cpp handeling audio output? |
| [20:33:38] | sphery: | only if you configure your system to use ALSA |
| [20:33:39] | gbee: | sphery: could have been there, only see the pilot a couple of times and being English nudity isn't something that leaps out in the same way that it might for a US audience :) I can well imagine that what came after the pilot was considerably re-worked to appear to American family values |
| [20:33:41] | sphery: | versus OSS |
| [20:33:48] | gbee: | appeal |
| [20:33:50] | sphery: | or aRTS or ... |
| [20:33:55] | cityLights: | ok |
| [20:34:23] | cityLights: | how can I use trac to show if it has any dependencies? |
| [20:34:36] | cityLights: | sorry |
| [20:34:45] | cityLights: | I see it include <cstdio> |
| [20:35:01] | sphery: | and by configure your system, I mean configure myth (as most any GNU/Linux system will use ALSA at the low level, even if Myth uses OSS or JACK or aRTS or whatever) |
| [20:35:14] | cityLights: | ovcourse |
| [20:35:52] | cityLights: | infact the comments make it easy to understand |
| [20:35:58] | cityLights: | yet |
| [20:36:05] | cityLights: | how can I use trac to show if it has any dependencies? |
| [20:36:11] | cityLights: | I know trac can that |
| [20:37:37] | iamlindoro: | Erm, that's not what trac does at all |
| [20:38:21] | cityLights: | doesnt trac allow to see what function is used by which other function? |
| [20:38:22] | iamlindoro: | And *all* the myth code is interdependent. The libraries build in a specific order because each one is dependent on the code in one or more of the libraries built before it |
| [20:38:25] | kormoc: | cityLights, no |
| [20:38:42] | messerting: | Why is my backend complaining about "DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 1" when I use only DVB-C. Isn't diseq for dvb-S? |
| [20:39:10] | iamlindoro: | messerting: It is, and it's a harmless warning, not an error |
| [20:40:34] | henkpoley: | Ah, found that cool p2p audio/video-sync tool again: http://www.networkmultimedia.org/ |
| [20:40:40] | henkpoley: | Maybe something for juski |
| [20:40:41] | messerting: | iamlindoro: ok, good to know. Sometimes it is followed by "Could not query inputs." and "eno: Operation not supported (95)". Also harmless? (hope so) |
| [20:40:54] | wagnerrp: | p2p audio/video? |
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| [20:41:34] | henkpoley: | wagnerrp: they have nodes that will stream audio from servers, and the nodes can keep track of eachother so they play exactly in sync |
| [20:43:03] | henkpoley: | They -at least used to- have cool videos showing it all working |
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| [20:45:32] | iamlindoro: | That assumes that anyone with the talent to implement it cares at all about multi-room/screen synchronized audio/video |
| [20:45:36] | iamlindoro: | AFAIK none of us do |
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| [20:46:54] | juski: | henkpoley: nah, no intention of using a computer in every room |
| [20:48:15] | juski: | 4 continuous stereo sources, switch between em at the point of listening... |
| [20:48:34] | henkpoley: | iamlindoro: juski just mentioned it wanted "cat5 audio senders" .. didn't expect him to mean some (semi-pro)? audio equipment.. but that's probably because I'm not into that |
| [20:49:02] | iamlindoro: | henkpoley: Think he just meant baluns, which are consumer equipment |
| [20:49:03] | iamlindoro: | and cheap |
| [20:49:12] | juski: | electronic baluns :) |
| [20:49:24] | juski: | not only cheap, very simple to use |
| [20:49:57] | henkpoley: | Ah, non digital? Only use cat5 for the shielding properties ? |
| [20:50:00] | wagnerrp: | just converts the normal signal/ground connection into a balanced signal, suitable for use over twisted pair cabling |
| [20:50:08] | wagnerrp: | cat5 typically has no shielding |
| [20:50:18] | cityLights: | tell me , I am googling to find how to reach Alan Calvert also known as cal |
| [20:50:26] | wagnerrp: | its a function of twisted pairs and balanced signals that cancels out noise |
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| [20:50:29] | cityLights: | I dont want to ask at the mailing list |
| [20:50:32] | juski: | relying on common mode rejection :) |
| [20:50:40] | cityLights: | is there any other way to find his email? |
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| [20:50:48] | henkpoley: | cat5 is twisted, which shields it from interference.. you are right that there is no mesh around it or something |
| [20:50:59] | messerting: | Regarding the "Full scan (tuned)" in mythtv-setup – I've got some "initial-tuning-data" (from w_scan) that lists about 14 different frequencies (all with the same symbolrate and modulation). Should I do a full scan on all those freqs? |
| [20:51:01] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt shield anything |
| [20:51:04] | iamlindoro: | cityLights: bugging patch submitters over e-mail is a quick way to make them stop submitting patches |
| [20:51:23] | wagnerrp: | both pairs are acted on by the interference in the same manner |
| [20:51:33] | wagnerrp: | and the far end just takes the differential signal between the two pairs |
| [20:51:35] | iamlindoro: | cityLights: People submit patches because it's something they want to do, they don't want to be hit up for information having *nothing* to do with their patch |
| [20:51:40] | cityLights: | ok what are my options to find a guide while I study how to work with alsa? |
| [20:51:46] | wagnerrp: | the interference cancels out, there is no shielding |
| [20:51:49] | cityLights: | I mean most of the code seems readable |
| [20:51:55] | iamlindoro: | cityLights: Read the code, that's your guide |
| [20:51:58] | juski: | common mode rejection works on the principle that any interference is likely to be induced roughly equally on both parts of the pair – so when they're subtracted at the other end the interference is nulled out |
| [20:52:01] | wagnerrp: | shielding means the interference never gets into the signal lines to begin with |
| [20:52:35] | cityLights: | o electronics – this is someting I am good at |
| [20:53:15] | iamlindoro: | why do we seem to keep collecting new dustybins and clevers? |
| [20:53:25] | iamlindoro: | and never new spherys? |
| [20:53:25] | cityLights: | twisted pair != shield |
| [20:53:29] | wagnerrp: | because this is IRC? |
| [20:53:40] | cityLights: | :-\ |
| [20:53:43] | cityLights: | I am gone |
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| [20:53:56] | juski: | my boss was very impressed with the DVR prototype I finished today :) tricky mounting a bullet camera with no mounting holes |
| [20:53:57] | wagnerrp: | i think you pissed him off |
| [20:54:16] | iamlindoro: | I might not have been referring to him |
| [20:54:26] | juski: | if the cap fits.. |
| [20:55:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | Holy bleep... I almost fell out of my chair catching up with the last 10 mins... HA!!!!!! |
| [20:55:31] | iamlindoro: | But seriously, bugging someone nice enough to submit a patch about ALSA to get them to teach you how to make pulseaudio work when you see not to have any expertise in how audio works period seems like a bad way to protect our patch submitters |
| [20:57:09] | kormoc: | or, he can, as I keep saying, just use ALSA OSS emulation and call it good, rather then attempting to be 'pure' |
| [20:57:36] | iamlindoro: | The headache-inducing part is he appears to want to make pulseaudio output work |
| [20:57:47] | iamlindoro: | so why is he trying to bug someone who wrote a patch for ALSA input for framegrabbers? |
| [20:57:57] | kormoc: | well, that's because of his bluetooth headset that he claims the ALSA driver for only works with pulse |
| [20:58:17] | iamlindoro: | riiiiiiiiiight |
| [21:00:09] | kormoc: | کلمات مرتبط keeps failing on win32 for some reason, any thoughts? |
| [21:00:15] | kormoc: | whoops... wrong channel |
| [21:00:36] | laga: | oh, that rendered nicely |
| [21:00:45] | iamlindoro: | That kormoc's got a different word for everything |
| [21:00:58] | ** CoreDump|home wonders if anyone else noticed that the police in "district 9" is using the jaegermeister loge on thier uniforms ** | |
| [21:01:08] | CoreDump|home: | *logo |
| [21:01:20] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: I'm now curious, what is that about? |
| [21:01:20] | wagnerrp: | maybe they like bombing drinks |
| [21:02:01] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, linux/osx both support farsi UTF-8 encoding, win32 seems to only in certain apps (wordpad), but not in browsers (ie and firefox) |
| [21:02:50] | kormoc: | The really odd thing is I installed the farsi font packs/language support and IE claims to be in utf-8 mode, yet no love |
| [21:03:34] | iamlindoro: | hmmm |
| [21:03:37] | iamlindoro: | weird |
| [21:03:56] | kormoc: | and even then, certain unicode farsi chars won't work in wordpad, FDFC for example |
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| [21:04:28] | messerting: | In DVB-C, is it such that one channel can be on more than one frequency, and switch between them? |
| [21:05:42] | iamlindoro: | messerting: No. A channel/program is on a fixed frequency and only moves when the broadcaster re-engineers their system (ie not mid-program) |
| [21:05:58] | messerting: | iamlindoro: ok, thanks |
| [21:06:03] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [21:06:35] | messerting: | so, when I get "found 115 new conflicting programs", I can simply press "ignore"? |
| [21:06:49] | messerting: | (in Full scan (tuned)) |
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| [21:09:43] | messerting: | I tried to find something about this channel scanning in the docs and wiki, but couldn't find much. |
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| [21:11:27] | iamlindoro: | The channel scanner has just been rewritten, there's nothing to find in the wiki about it |
| [21:12:06] | messerting: | ok |
| [21:14:21] | messerting: | anyone knows the recommended config options for mythtv trunk for an intel gfx card (i915, on Fedora 11/nomodeset)? |
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| [21:18:23] | test3: | hi geeks, i got a question. does the sentence that follow means that tvgrab.fr is broken ? see sentence >> |
| [21:18:27] | test3: | could not fetch http://telepoche.guidetele.com/gtv/journee?op . . . =10&h=0, error: 500 Internal Server Error, aborting |
| [21:19:38] | ** messerting leaving now – thanks for all hints and suggestions, see you later :) ** | |
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| [21:35:24] | achew22: | When reading the digests from mythtv-commits I noticed a comment from danielk that referred to a "cut-off" implying that it is a feature freeze for .22, does anyone know what that date is? ( Link to comment: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6881#comment:3 ) |
| [21:35:39] | sphery: | yesterday |
| [21:36:02] | sphery: | achew22: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/393237#393237 |
| [21:36:12] | sphery: | we're doing bug fixes only now |
| [21:36:13] | achew22: | Yay! |
| [21:36:22] | achew22: | Thank you so much! |
| [21:36:26] | sphery: | (with the exceptions he mentioned) |
| [21:37:04] | achew22: | if only I had read a few more days before getting over excited and failing my search online |
| [21:37:23] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:37:26] | henkpoley: | Hmm: "MythSocket(2873590:-1): writeStringList: Error, called with unconnected socket." repeating with different numbers |
| [21:37:33] | sphery: | that one was in dev list, though, so not on -commits |
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| [21:37:51] | sphery: | henkpoley: yeah, socket issues are very common with new distros, especially on trunk |
| [21:38:13] | henkpoley: | Any idea what causes it ? I mean how to avoid.. |
| [21:38:16] | sphery: | nope |
| [21:38:24] | sphery: | danielk is working on it and hoping to find something |
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| [21:38:42] | sphery: | but it's likely changes to the kernel/networking subsystem or a low-level library that are causing it |
| [21:38:44] | henkpoley: | Does it mean my backend is stuck now and I need ot restart it ? |
| [21:38:52] | sphery: | it might |
| [21:39:05] | sphery: | depends on which connection errored |
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| [21:39:22] | sphery: | but if it continues repeating, likely |
| [21:39:39] | henkpoley: | Ah, mythweb doesn't complain |
| [21:39:49] | sphery: | different connections |
| [21:40:10] | sphery: | each mythproto connection (from any source) could experience the issue at any time |
| [21:40:22] | henkpoley: | Errors were from 23:34:40.480 to 23:34:40.665 |
| [21:40:45] | henkpoley: | Hmm |
| [21:40:47] | sphery: | if that's the case, it was likely only a very short-lived connection (which wouldn't be that important overall) |
| [21:40:55] | sphery: | but if a long-lived connection fails... |
| [21:41:10] | sphery: | myth isn't designed to recover from losing some of its connections |
| [21:43:53] | gbee: | ok, newbie question, what card do I want for VDPAU? 9400GT's look cheap, but do they run hot? Would an 8 series be cooler? |
| [21:44:23] | wagnerrp: | do you want deinterlacing? |
| [21:44:33] | gbee: | yeah |
| [21:44:56] | wagnerrp: | then you probably want a fanless 9500GT... i have no idea about the heat output of those things |
| [21:45:34] | gbee: | didn't know there was a difference between any of them when it came to deinterlacing |
| [21:45:45] | wagnerrp: | deinterlacing is done on the shader hardware |
| [21:45:58] | henkpoley: | btw, sphery and wagnerrp thanks for being helpful today. Quite a change from what experienced before in the mythtv community |
| [21:46:01] | wagnerrp: | you need a bit of power to do 1080i deinterlacing |
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| [21:46:45] | gbee: | wagnerrp: ok, just haven't had issues with deinterlacing 1080i on my 8200, but I'll take your advice all the same |
| [21:47:23] | wagnerrp: | gbee: you can do the lesser deinterlacers on an 8200 |
| [21:47:39] | wagnerrp: | but you need an 9500 or better to be capable of all forms of deinterlacing |
| [21:47:59] | sphery: | henkpoley: my pleasure--especially since you gave me the info I needed to diagnose what happened in your upgrade so we could plan for it. |
| [21:48:02] | wagnerrp: | someone put up a benchmark took, and a forum database of card capability a while back |
| [21:48:08] | sphery: | henkpoley: so, thank you |
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| [21:50:08] | wagnerrp: | gbee: this is the one i was thinking of.... http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1151952 |
| [21:50:22] | gbee: | wagnerrp: ah, well Advanced 1x is more than good enough on this material, since I'm more concerned about case temp maybe I don't need something so powerful |
| [21:50:32] | gbee: | price is all the same, no matter what I opt for |
| [21:51:47] | wagnerrp: | actually, this is the one i was looking for... http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=2016223 |
| [21:52:04] | wagnerrp: | same program, but several pages (rather than several posts) of user benchmarks |
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| [21:53:05] | wagnerrp: | 'advanced' is 'temporal_spatial' in the test program |
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| [21:55:34] | wagnerrp: | now i thought the 2x deinterlacers would have to run at 100/120 fields/s |
| [21:55:55] | wagnerrp: | but people claim the 9500 is capable of advanced 2x, and it only rates 75 fields/s |
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| [21:58:51] | henkpoley: | btw, my backend is doing all kind of nice EIT things. But.. it doesn't show up in the EPG in mythfrontend nor mythweb |
| [21:59:08] | henkpoley: | ..but, when I do search I see all kinds of stuff |
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| [22:03:48] | gbee: | heh, one reviewer says it 'runs with minimal noise', the other says it's 'far too noisy' – http://www.ebuyer.com/product/161335/show_product_reviews |
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| [22:05:07] | henkpoley: | Yeah, user noise reviews are *very* subjective |
| [22:05:56] | henkpoley: | Go with fanless if you want a silent GPU |
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| [22:06:31] | henkpoley: | Most 'gamer' types come from jet-style cooling solutions, then everything is 'silent' |
| [22:08:01] | gbee: | fanless have their own issues, such as requiring 2xslots in some cases and causing temperature hot spots in the case (which is small and cramped) |
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| [22:11:48] | gbee: | maybe I should be looking at a new motherboard and onboard video instead, £10–20 more than a card but eliminates the space/temp problem |
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| [22:15:29] | henkpoley: | wtf, the only EPG data is showing up for analog channels (is that new?) |
| [22:15:51] | henkpoley: | Or maybe *something* was fetching EPG data from tvgids.nl |
| [22:17:11] | henkpoley: | but, first.. sleep.. |
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| [22:44:27] | gbee: | wagnerrp: thanks for the help earlier, decided to go with a new motherboard with onboard 8200, same as I've got in this machine, means I don't have to worry about noise, temp or the loss of a slot which could have been used for another tuner |
| [22:45:13] | gbee: | it's £18 more, but worth every penny, and I might make back the difference selling the old board on ebay |
| [22:48:33] | gbee: | actually I should probably check first, is anyone with an 8200/8300 using hdmi audio? I'm assuming it works? |
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| [22:54:55] | gbee: | guess I'll check that tomorrow with my existing 8200 board |
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| [23:10:03] | sphery: | gbee: and you might make back the difference in (short) time through reduced power costs :) |
| [23:12:13] | gbee: | that too |
| [23:13:27] | gbee: | grabbing a PWM heatsink/fan, while I'm at it, current one is a little noisy |
| [23:13:56] | gbee: | but only if I can confirm that hdmi audio works first |
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| [23:18:36] | momelod: | greetings channel |
| [23:18:51] | sphery: | gbee: heh, your heatsink/fan is gonna get PWMed |
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| [23:19:08] | sphery: | hello, momelod |
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| [23:20:21] | sphery: | Nice... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4978, "update to finnish icon and xmltv id grabber lookup.txt". It's about time someone finished that up. |
| [23:20:24] | momelod: | can anyone tell me how i can delete items from the recordings list when those items dont actually exist. I tried the solution described here: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Questions, titled: How do I remove recordings that no longer exist on disk? and that does create empty .nuv files, but i still cant delete them from the list |
| [23:21:17] | momelod: | and mythfrontend keeps outputing this error: 2009-08–25 19:20:51.679 NVP::OpenFile(): Error, couldn't read file: myth://192.168.100.1:6543/1001_20090201213000.nuv |
| [23:21:40] | sphery: | momelod: one second... I'll respond in the wiki with the proper answer (as the one there is wrong). |
| [23:22:02] | momelod: | there is an empty file owned by mythtv in the recordings directory named 1001_20090201213000.nuv |
| [23:22:05] | momelod: | thanks sphery |
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| [23:23:01] | ** gbee watches two minutes of 3D Chuck without the glasses before vomiting ** | |
| [23:23:15] | iamlindoro: | gbee, FWIW it's not much better w/ the glasses |
| [23:23:36] | sphery: | yeah, with the glasses, you vomit after the end of the episode |
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| [23:24:35] | gbee: | heh, well I'll hold on to the recording until I can find a pair of glasses to see for myself |
| [23:24:43] | sphery: | gbee: if you didn't pick up the glasses before the episode originally aired, but you kept your glasses from Amityville 3D, they'll work for it. (I'm 99% positive that Amityville 3D was the last "major" work done in blue/yellow anaglyph before the Superbowl commercial/Chuck.) |
| [23:24:47] | wagnerrp: | gbee: ive got one of the Asus 8200 boards... HDMI is working fine |
| [23:24:59] | gbee: | wagnerrp: audio ? |
| [23:25:11] | wagnerrp: | s/HDMI/HDMI audio/ |
| [23:25:18] | sphery: | gbee: the Amityville 3D glasshes should be in the pile around the 1983 stuff |
| [23:25:58] | sphery: | momelod: I'm taking a moment as I'm testing... Having to set up so I can delete stuff that doesn't exist. |
| [23:26:14] | gbee: | wagnerrp: ok cool, I've got an atx Asus 8200 board, looking at the matx variant of the same family for the myth box (M3N78-VM) |
| [23:26:18] | momelod: | i can test for u, if u like |
| [23:26:30] | wagnerrp: | thats the one |
| [23:27:02] | gbee: | sphery: hehe, I did have a pair in a 'junk' draw for years, but they were still thrown out years ago |
| [23:27:15] | wagnerrp: | spent a couple hours of tinker around with the asoundrc files before i just gave up, directly typed in the hardware address into mythtv |
| [23:27:16] | gbee: | wagnerrp: great, thanks |
| [23:27:19] | wagnerrp: | has worked fine since |
| [23:27:37] | sphery: | yeah, most of them use red/cyan, but for some reason Intel wanted blue/yellow... Don't know why they'd choose one versus the other, but nearly everyone uses red/cyan |
| [23:27:56] | wagnerrp: | i believe jya has update that dropdown so the correct hardware port is one of the default options |
| [23:28:16] | wagnerrp: | ALSA:plughw0,3 or something like that |
| [23:28:19] | sphery: | plughw:0,3 is only correct if your sound CODEC is wired in a very specific way |
| [23:28:37] | sphery: | i.e. audio chipset and mobo dependent |
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| [23:28:55] | sphery: | that one seems to be correct for (at least the current generation of) nvidia ION boards |
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| [23:28:59] | wagnerrp: | well gbee is looking at the exact same board i have |
| [23:29:00] | gbee: | and only if it's the first device, in my experience it's just as likely to be hw:1,3 |
| [23:29:09] | sphery: | right, 0 is card 0 |
| [23:30:10] | gbee: | ok, well it's card 0 on this machine, so it should be on the other |
| [23:30:24] | ** gbee clicks 'buy' ** | |
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| [23:34:04] | gbee: | heh, just remembered that it's my sister's birthday in a couple of days, think I just spent her present money |
| [23:34:19] | iamlindoro: | Hope she likes fresh-picked flowers |
| [23:34:28] | wagnerrp: | happy birthday, youre getting a computer! |
| [23:34:48] | wagnerrp: | crap.... |
| [23:35:10] | wagnerrp: | Troy is one of those disks with mix-and-match video |
| [23:35:57] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, its the usually two files, but with another 50 or so for bonus features |
| [23:36:17] | wagnerrp: | 25GB... thats a big'un |
| [23:37:05] | iamlindoro: | heh, wagnerrp is now addicted too :) |
| [23:37:54] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: not for long... ive checked the list of what content is actually on HDDVD |
| [23:38:06] | wagnerrp: | and ive burned through most of what i would consider purchasing |
| [23:38:21] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I'm about done too |
| [23:39:08] | kormoc: | just buy a few billion copies of firefly/serenity so we get a new movie or two |
| [23:39:47] | ** iamlindoro already has his copy in three formats :) ** | |
| [23:39:51] | wagnerrp: | is firefly on hddvd? |
| [23:39:55] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [23:39:57] | iamlindoro: | well no |
| [23:40:00] | iamlindoro: | Serenity is |
| [23:40:06] | wagnerrp: | well i have serenity |
| [23:40:08] | iamlindoro: | Firefly on Blu though |
| [23:40:20] | kormoc: | Mmm... High Resolution Kaylee... |
| [23:40:28] | iamlindoro: | 1080 peees of her |
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| [23:40:52] | dashcloud: | iamlindoro: I heard that disc had BD+ on it- any problems with it? |
| [23:41:07] | iamlindoro: | dashcloud, Pretty much every disk released now has BD+ |
| [23:41:18] | wagnerrp: | dashcloud: free BD+ decoding is very very limited |
| [23:41:18] | iamlindoro: | But Slysoft keeps plugging away and making them rippable, soooo |
| [23:41:32] | ** iamlindoro queues up some Kaylee in MythVideo ** | |
| [23:42:05] | wagnerrp: | 'i cant stop watching the whole folder.... but i dont want to stop anyway' |
| [23:42:30] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:42:41] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Have you done any EVO remuxing in linux? |
| [23:42:58] | iamlindoro: | does MKVMerge handle it? If so, have an example command line of what you use? |
| [23:43:09] | iamlindoro: | I have a few items that don't seek properly and a remux ought to fix them up |
| [23:43:36] | wagnerrp: | ive been using mmg (the gui) but give me a second and ill have it print out the command line |
| [23:44:33] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I'm down to use the GUI I guess-- that's in linux? |
| [23:44:45] | wagnerrp: | freebsd, same difference |
| [23:45:17] | wagnerrp: | the GUI is just a wrapper around the mkvmerge command |
| [23:45:27] | iamlindoro: | ah-hah, cool |
| [23:45:40] | iamlindoro: | and it doesn't have trouble with EVO or m2ts? |
| [23:45:50] | wagnerrp: | none that ive noticed |
| [23:45:54] | iamlindoro: | neato |
| [23:45:56] | iamlindoro: | thanks |
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| [23:46:01] | wagnerrp: | and the mkvs end up being about a GB smaller than the m2ts's i used to use |
| [23:46:03] | iamlindoro: | I'll just use the GUI, that's fine |
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| [23:46:41] | wagnerrp: | mkv claims it can use TrueHD, of course i dont actually have any programs that can decode it |
| [23:46:49] | iamlindoro: | We can :) |
| [23:46:55] | wagnerrp: | is that recent? |
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| [23:47:31] | wagnerrp: | the other issue is that files with dual video, you cant tell which one is the primary track |
| [23:47:33] | iamlindoro: | since two ffmpeg syncs ago |
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| [23:48:07] | wagnerrp: | well at least ive got nothing in windows |
| [23:48:21] | wagnerrp: | i only came across my first TrueHD track yesterday |
| [23:48:30] | sphery: | momelod: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frequently_Asked_Q . . . t_on_disk.3F |
| [23:48:32] | wagnerrp: | or at least tsmuxer didnt understand how to use them |
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| [23:50:06] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, it doesn't display the resolution? One is usually 960, the other 1920 |
| [23:50:30] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Sounds like the latter... It's a mandatory audio track on HD-DVD |
| [23:50:36] | wagnerrp: | at least the GUI doesnt |
| [23:50:43] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, though a *very few* disks defy the standard |
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| [23:50:53] | iamlindoro: | all but one of mine has a TrueHD primary |
| [23:51:03] | wagnerrp: | maybe if you call the command line directly, it lists it |
| [23:52:15] | wagnerrp: | and my sound card decide now was the time to stop working... i cant tell what audio track is what |
| [23:52:47] | iamlindoro: | Unfortunately, We here in MythLand are currently screwed when it comes to 8 channel tracks |
| [23:52:57] | iamlindoro: | since Myth has hardcoded assumptions of 2 or 6 channel audio |
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| [23:53:05] | iamlindoro: | add 8 channel and you get shiny white noise |
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| [23:54:44] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so I can't get my 8-track player working with Myth? |
| [23:54:54] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:55:14] | sphery: | and here I was craving a bit of Ray Conniff, Jr. |
| [23:55:35] | sphery: | er, sorry... seems it was Sr on the 8-tracks :) |
| [23:56:09] | wagnerrp: | anyway, you still want a command line example? |
| [23:56:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Have it going right now w/ the GUI-- thanks |
| [23:56:58] | iamlindoro: | and you're right, it appears not to detect the trueHD track properly |
| [23:57:32] | wagnerrp: | its showing up for me on Batman Begins... and there was one other i cant think of off hand |
| [23:57:38] | wagnerrp: | but tsmuxer never got them |
| [23:58:10] | iamlindoro: | This progress bar is worrisome |
| [23:58:26] | wagnerrp: | how so? |
| [23:58:28] | iamlindoro: | it seems to think it's halfway through and has only muxed ~1 GB |
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| [23:58:44] | wagnerrp: | probably chose the wrong video track |
| [23:59:06] | iamlindoro: | Maybe... but only if it flip-flops the FFMpeg output |
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