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GuySoft:

janneg, the line comes from if(sps_id > 31 || !h->sps_buffers[sps_id]) {

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GuySoft:

+ .. why is this a problem?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It's not useful... unless you run Myth .18 ;)

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songer:

hello

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scan is now known as scan_away

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ejholmgren:

wondering if anyone gave give me input on what kind of capture card I should get

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ejholmgren:

just have basic comcast cable, channels up to 100 or so

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ejholmgren:

no hd

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ejholmgren:

looking on the wiki and I see ATSC, analog w/hardware or software encoder, DVB-C, DVB-S, and DVB-T

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ejholmgren:

would an analog w/hardware encoding be what I want?

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ball:

ejholmgren: even if that works today, I wouldn't expect it to continue to work.

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ball:

I hear (NPR/PRI, I forget which) that cable companies such as Comcast will be forcing people to upgrade to digital before long too.

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ejholmgren:

is it possible that I alreadly have digital cable?

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ball:

ejholmgren: sure.

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Shadow__X:

ejholmgren: http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us check there

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Shadow__X:

that will tell you what qam channels are available in your area

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Shadow__X:

or atleast a good example

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ejholmgren:

yeah, don't want to record from the attena

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ejholmgren:

antenna

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ball:

I do.

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Shadow__X:

ejholmgren: qam is from the cable line

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Shadow__X:

atsc is from an antenna

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ejholmgren:

ok

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ejholmgren:

so those are the local channels that comcast is providing?

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Shadow__X:

if the provider selected at the top is comcast then thats whats available in your area

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Shadow__X:

whats your postal code

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ejholmgren:

55427

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Shadow__X:

when you put your postal code on the top of the page it says provider

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Shadow__X:

on that drop down menu select comcast

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ejholmgren:

ah, didn't see that

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Shadow__X:

yup

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Shadow__X:

those are the channels you would be getting over qam

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, think you will like the latest commit

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Makes paging through folders a little nicer (you will see fanart/etc. from within)

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kyler:

I upgraded to the Ubuntu Karmic Myth packages and I've been hosed ever since. I finally tried trunk. No change. http://lairds.us/temp/mythtv/2009-08-23-231828_800x600_scrot.png

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iamlindoro:

Why did you do either? They're both trunk

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iamlindoro:

syspect your DB upgrades have gone awry

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iamlindoro:

er suspect

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kyler:

iamlindoro: Oh, the DB certainly went awry. I'd just like to get an error or something that I can fix.

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iamlindoro:

so run mythtv-setup with -v database and look at the DB output, then start a-fixin

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Shadow__X:

:)

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kyler:

And I upgraded because my frontend keeps locking.

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iamlindoro:

you're right, much better now

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Shadow__X:

atleast he can go through menus now

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Shadow__X:

sure they are mostly blank menus now but, it doesnt lock up

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Shadow__X:

huuurray

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Shadow__X:

when will i stop being a shell script

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Shadow__X:

:(

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iamlindoro:

that question vexes me

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Shadow__X:

alright sure i could of worded it with some creativity

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ejholmgren:

so the only way to access the other channels would be with a comcast dvr?

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Shadow__X:

ejholmgren: simply put yes

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ejholmgren:

okies

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iamlindoro:

well.. a comcast *box* anyway

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iamlindoro:

you can still capture the analog outputs from said box in mythtv

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ejholmgren:

I have a comcast box obviously

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iamlindoro:

then you can capture any channel you pay for with one of many analog capture devices and that box

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kyler:

iamlindoro: "mythtv-setup -v database" seems fine. The backend is fine too; it's recording without any problems. I just can't get the frontend to list recorded programs.

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iamlindoro:

then run the frontend with -v database and see what's up

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ejholmgren:

iamlindoro: so I'd use the serial port to do the actual channel changing, etc?

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iamlindoro:

no, you'd use an IR blaster or in some cases, firewire

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Shadow__X:

ejholmgren: you might beable to use firewire

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ejholmgren:

I only see serial and ir on the back

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Shadow__X:

you can goto the comcast office and ask for a box with a firewire port

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iamlindoro:

only for an HD box

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iamlindoro:

SD they don't have to give you anything

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ejholmgren:

having myth after the cable box means only one channel to record/view at one time, right?

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iamlindoro:

correct, one recording per box

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kyler:

It looks like DisplayGroupTitleSort isn't set. I'm hunting for a setting...

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Shadow__X:

hey iamlindoro hows being a dev treating you

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GreyFoxx:

Ok, something weird is going on. Since I update this evening my downloaded covers/screenshots and such appear to be getting "mixed up"

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, hmm?

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GreyFoxx:

fanart is being displayed where I would expect a screenshot. fanart where I expect a cover

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GreyFoxx:

and so on

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, did you clear your cache recently?

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GreyFoxx:

not every time, and only on stuff I do a new metadata grab on

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GreyFoxx:

nope

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iamlindoro:

hmmm

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GreyFoxx:

and now I see it writing the stuff to a myth:// url when I haven't defined any banner/fanart and such groups :)

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like the problem I was originally dealing with w/ downloads to SGs

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GreyFoxx:

so I'm not sure where it's actually puting them

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, If something is SG hosted, you need to have Image SGs defined now

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GreyFoxx:

any reason in particular ?:) At the moment my SG videos are on server B, but all covers/fanart and such are on a different machine which is nfs mounted :)\

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ejholmgren:

iamlindoro: would the program guide in mythtv work in this config?

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GreyFoxx:

I'm mainly curious where Copying 'http://images.thetvdb.com.nyud.net:8080/banne . . . 156-3-2.jpg' -> 'myth://Coverart@192.168.0.15:6543/Scrubs Season 3.jpg' is since I never created a Coverart group on 192.168.0.15 .... yet it seems to load the image :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, I'm curious about that also, that should fail-- though I suppose the SG write code might fall back to "default" if they don't exist

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Since I put in a check/error message if it fails to write

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, If a remotefile write tries to go to an SG that doesn't exist, will it fall back to default?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Can probably fix it to fall back to local, but for that to work I'd still need a "fail" from the SGs

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iamlindoro:

and as to why, well, I suppose it's a matter of opinion, but I don't want to start down a road where I'm trying to support local files, SG files, and some mix in between, I am frustrated at the very thought-- it makes going to SG only in the future much easier to plan out if I don't have to consider people who mix cases

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kyler:

When trying to list my recorded programs I get "length mismatch between programinfo" and "SortedList is Empty".

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, anyway, I suspect the mixing up is because you don't have the SGs defined-- how about mounting them on the backend and setting them up as SGs?

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Captain_Murdoch:

the RemoteFile will get an error from the backend, but it looks like RemoteFile doesn't close the socket or anything when it does get an error.

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kyler:

I see that's an error in RemoteGetRecordingList(). This is going to take some digging....

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GreyFoxx:

It's definitaly falling back to the recording default

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GreyFoxx:

SG(Default): FindRecordingFile: Found '/data/mythtv//Scrubs Season 6.jpg'

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Captain_Murdoch:

for read or write?

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iamlindoro:

write

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Captain_Murdoch:

with an empty group specified?

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Captain_Murdoch:

or non-existent group specified

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iamlindoro:

No, with a group specified that he doesn't have defined

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GreyFoxx:

non existant

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iamlindoro:

right

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GreyFoxx:

http://phaze.org/mythtv/pics/videogalleryweird1.png that shows it has the right fanart (and I saw the cover for asecond before ti loaded the screenshot... but the indepthview is : http://phaze.org/mythtv/pics/videogalleryweird1.png

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GreyFoxx:

weird :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, what's more, I suspect if you cleared your cache they'd all end up the same (since they're likely overwriting each other and only unique in your cache)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, I really, really would be frustrated by ending up with setups that were mixes of the two approaches... would just be setting myself up for pain down the road when trying to extricate ourselves from local settings

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kyler:

Ah ha! I disabled the length mismatch check in RemoteGetRecordingList() and now I see my programs (along with 225 "_NO_TITLE_" entries).

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iamlindoro:

ideally (for me) the downloads should fail outright if a file is SG-homed and there's no image SGs

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iamlindoro:

kyler, you appear to be trying to run a frontend against a backend that does not match it

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iamlindoro:

kyler, Are you trying to run trunk frontend against a .21 backend or vice versa?

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kyler:

iamlindoro: Nope. I went from Ubuntu Karmic to trunk for both.

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iamlindoro:

kyler, Then you failed at at least one

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iamlindoro:

because your versions are mismatched

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iamlindoro:

Getting protocol length mismatches means you are speaking different languages

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kyler:

2009-08–23 23:59:54.473 mythbackend version: trunk [21474] www.mythtv.org

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kyler:

2009-08–24 00:00:19.681 mythfrontend version: trunk [Unknown] www.mythtv.org

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iamlindoro:

well that's useless info

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iamlindoro:

as you have one known quantity and one unknown

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iamlindoro:

you need *identical* revisions, particularly this week

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kyler:

I just pulled everything from svn a couple hours ago. What am I supposed to do?

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iamlindoro:

compile the same revision on both systems and run it

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kyler:

It's all the same source tree. If I can't get it from svn, where do I get it?

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iamlindoro:

They're *not* from the same source tree

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iamlindoro:

or both would report the same revision

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iamlindoro:

Your frontend appears to be from (slightly broken) packages

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wagnerrp:

well HDHR capture on freebsd is still borked...

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GreyFoxx:

ok, SG's created, cached whiled

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GreyFoxx:

wiped

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wagnerrp:

it can capture just fine, but it will only record for a couple seconds after a channel change

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wagnerrp:

and thats whether using livetv or recording

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, cool... In a perfect world things will work now :)

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wagnerrp:

so if youre recording on the same channel you are tuned to, youre fine

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, but otherwise we'll figure it out

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wagnerrp:

if you have to change channels on the tuner, you get a couple MB and its over

[04:05:02]

Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, I need to change 2 things. 1, don't allow the SG code in the backend to fallback in this case. 2, modify RemoteFile to do something when it gets the error from the backend, right now it still responds true to isOpen().

[04:05:32]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: It's just not downloading the new images at all

[04:05:34]

iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Ah-hah... would be appreciated

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, log?

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GreyFoxx:

2009-08–24 01:04:50.274 Video Data Query: Executing "'/usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/ttvdb.py' -D 80159 1 8"

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GreyFoxx:

literaly that's all I see if I pick a new Santuary episode and hit W

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GreyFoxx:

and the same fanart/covers/screenshot(which is reallty the banner) are set

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, What does the metadata record say?

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GreyFoxx:

but if I run it manually I do see that it has a episode image

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wagnerrp:

HAH, as i complain about HDHR disconnects, theres a commit

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, may need to clear out the tainted stuff from the metadata records

[04:08:04]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm ok, it looks like my screenshot column is identical to the banner

[04:09:05]

GreyFoxx:

in fact the new stuff is being set to the local path to the banner as well, not the SG path

[04:09:51]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, can I see a pastebin of that metadata record?

[04:10:51]

GreyFoxx:

Sure

[04:11:20]

GreyFoxx:

Oh and this particular file, is also a local file, not on the end of a SG

[04:11:28]

GreyFoxx:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1541205

[04:11:44]

GreyFoxx:

I'll pull the odd Scrubs stuff as well which is via SG'

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sphery:

iamlindoro: did you (or anyone in here) tell kyler that his DB data is corrupt and point him to the wiki page (which the error message in his logs should have pointed him to--assuming that message went in unchanged)?

[04:13:26]

iamlindoro:

no

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wagnerrp:

seems the frontend socket still claims it is playing content at 1x speed when youre editing

[04:15:12]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Do you have the local folder for banner and screenshot set to the same thing?

[04:15:24]

kyler:

sphery: What's the wiki page for the corrupt database error?

[04:16:41]

sphery:

kyler: Assuming you were using trunk r21255 or above, the error message in your mythtv-setup or mythbackend log (whichever was upgrading the DB for you), should have said to go to http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding . If you didn't get that message, please let me know (as you either have a different problem or you have a problem in a table we're not checking).

[04:16:54]

GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Nope

[04:17:13]

sphery:

kyler: and you can just re-run the upgrade to see if you get that message is you don't have the old logs

[04:17:34]

sphery:

note that if you follow the instructions on that page and you don't have that problem, you'll corrupt your DB

[04:17:42]

kyler:

sphery: I didn't get that message. Thanks for the info!

[04:17:45]

sphery:

so make sure you have that problem (i.e. check the log output)

[04:17:51]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Hang on, think I may have found a problem, if not the problem

[04:18:03]

sphery:

kyler: please post the log of a failed upgrade in http://pastebin.ca/

[04:18:56]

GreyFoxx:

k

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kyler:

sphery: It doesn't look like I have the utf8 issue.

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sphery:

kyler: can I see the log output, as mentioned above?

[04:20:45]

sphery:

if we have other issues, we need to know about them before the release :)

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kyler:

What exactly would you like to see? The upgrade itself was traumatic. The output from the frontend isn't terribly interesting.

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sphery:

do you have the log of the failed upgrade

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sphery:

or did you do something to force the upgrade to work

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sphery:

I'd like to see the log output for the failed upgrade, if possible

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kyler:

sphery: I had to do a few things to make the upgrade work (like throwing out all of my recordedseeks).

[04:22:57]

kyler:

I didn't keep the logs (as far as I know).

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, okay, that wasn't your issue, still looking

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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sphery:

hmmm... recordedseek

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wagnerrp:

i dont know why recordedseek would have gone bad

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kyler:

I figured I'd rebuild them later.

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sphery:

kyler: do you have a lot of videos in MythVideo for which you've created seektables (using mythcommflag/mythtranscode --video)

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wagnerrp:

isnt that all numbers?

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sphery:

not if you have MV videos

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sphery:

(it uses path info)

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wagnerrp:

i thought it had its own table for that

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wagnerrp:

or is that only trunk

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sphery:

oh, wait

[04:24:15]

sphery:

that was videomarkup or something

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sphery:

nvm

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kyler:

sphery: A disk crash took out my recordings recently so I only had a couple hundred.

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kyler:

Oh, and nothing in MythVideo.

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Thing is my "fresh" downloads are working... so thinking maybe it's some configuration thing I'm not thinking of

[04:25:32]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, ie mkdir "Highway to Heaven" && touch "Highway to Heaven/Highway to Heaven 1x01.mpg"

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, scanning and then downloading metadata, all works properly and goes where it should

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sphery:

kyler: so, with recordedseek, I don't see why you'd have a problem... as wagnerrp said, it's really just numbers.

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kyler:

It wasn't encoding. I was getting errors about having conflicting primary keys.

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sphery:

meaning your pre-upgrade database was corrupt

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sphery:

possibly even a corrupt schema

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kyler:

sphery: Could be. I've been running this for several years.

[04:27:35]

sphery:

right, the error you see with encoding issues is duplicate values

[04:27:44]

GreyFoxx:

I just blew away all sanctuary items in my DB, and re did a set of episode 1 season 1, and again the banner is being put in the screenshot column. ... some auto detection of files we have already downloaded going off the tracks ?

[04:28:07]

GreyFoxx:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1541214

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wagnerrp:

hold on...

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, probably, let me look

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GreyFoxx:

cause I can see it is not downloading it again

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wagnerrp:

in the HDHR changelog... 'fix lockup/reboot when under tcp dos attack'

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wagnerrp:

who is going to DoS their own tuner?

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sphery:

kyler: but I have no idea how encoding issues could affect recordedseek and--furthermore--absolutely no idea how a recordedseek table could have valid data before ALTER TABLE recordedseek DEFAULT CHARACTER SET default; but not after

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sphery:

guess if you got it working, though, it's no big deal

[04:29:24]

wagnerrp:

conversely, why is SD writing workarounds for people's broken network security?

[04:31:07]

kyler:

BTW, I like the "Please Wait..." screen for recording playback.

[04:31:47]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, problem is almost certainly in getlocalvideoimage

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GreyFoxx:

It should be one of those animated oldtimey movie real countdowns :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Suspect I broke it by fixing it this AM

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wagnerrp:

GreyFoxx: i thought that wasnt (yet) supported by the UI

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Which I know sounds odd--- but I corrected a small syntax error from when you committed the screenshot stuff and suspect by doing so revealed a new bug

[04:33:01]

GreyFoxx:

heheh

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, hang on, will have you revert it and test

[04:33:45]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, would explain new tests working great, and existing shows going funky

[04:34:57]

iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

that's it

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iamlindoro:

rebreaking it obscures the bug again

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GreyFoxx:

breaking ftw!

[04:35:33]

iamlindoro:

hang on, will show you the commit

[04:35:49]

iamlindoro:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21452/tr . . . ns/mythvideo

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iamlindoro:

Will fix properly tomorrow or later tonight, but if you want to revert locally, that should fix it for you temporarily

[04:36:56]

iamlindoro:

actually, should ahve a real fix in a second

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GreyFoxx:

cool. I'll just not add any new stuff tonight. Spent most of the day without power due to the hurricane so I was just playing around after getting everything back up and running

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iamlindoro:

Think I have a good fix, testing

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kyler:

sphery: I'm trying the "uncorrupt" instructions on my old data set. I get "ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 2638: Duplicate entry '4673-0000-00–00 00:00:00--4–0' for key 'PRIMARY'"

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kyler:

sphery: I didn't have default-character-set specified in my.cnf though (so the sed command for it doesn't find anything).

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, can you test a small patch?

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GreyFoxx:

sure

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iamlindoro:

works here, but would like a confirm

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sphery:

kyler: yeah, your data has different corruption

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1541221

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sphery:

kyler: the corruption that page fixes can't fix anything in recordedseek

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sphery:

kyler: er, the process in that page can't fix any corruption in recordedseek

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sphery:

or the corruption that page addresses can't exist in recordedseek

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kyler:

sphery: I don't mind blowing away recordedseek.

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GreyFoxx:

hehe my wife discovered the new play folder option this morning before power went out

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, She liked?

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GreyFoxx:

she loved it, until after a few episodes of my daughters shows she tried to exit out hehe

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GreyFoxx:

lol she hat to hit exit 30 times :)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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wagnerrp:

so THATS why the power went out

[04:43:24]

wagnerrp:

if all else fails, hit the breaker

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Dagmar:

Yep. The ultimate recursive exit

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GreyFoxx:

btw, that patch appears to have fixed it

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Cool, will commit in a sec, have another fix I'm trying to test at the same time

[04:44:39]

iamlindoro:

thanks for testing

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GreyFoxx:

no worries

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wagnerrp:

oof... trying to figure out why livetv was failing

[04:45:14]

GreyFoxx:

hmmm I think it's bed time, later

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wagnerrp:

forgot my windows machine still had the HDHR tuner tied up in a scan

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, night

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kyler:

sphery: All of my programs still look alright in recorded but the ones recorded before the upgrade show as _NO_TITLE_. Any clue how to fix it?

[04:49:21]

wagnerrp:

would an 8-way splitter/amp be a noticeable improvement over a pair of daisy-chained 4-ways?

[04:49:39]

wagnerrp:

or should i just split the main line into the house and run each amp independently?

[04:49:50]

wagnerrp:

im getting a small amount of digital interference

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sphery:

kyler:

[04:52:36]

sphery:

kyler: no idea

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sphery:

seems there was a lot of corruption in your db

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sphery:

kyler: did you try restoring the pre-upgrade DB, then running optimize_mythdb.pl, /then/ doing the upgrade?

[04:53:16]

kyler:

sphery: Yeah, but it's frustrating that the new recordings and the old ones look the same but only the new appear.

[04:53:26]

kyler:

sphery: Nope. I'll check it.

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wagnerrp:

looks like [21478], or more likely the HDHR firmware upgrade, fixed my freebsd tuning issues

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wagnerrp:

my primary backend is a real boy now!

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wagnerrp:

ill have to look into setting up standby on the SBE now

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wagnerrp:

considering im now not reliant on it for most of the recordings

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songer:

hello everybady

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songer:

I'm new with mythtv

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songer:

so I need your help

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wagnerrp:

shoot

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songer:

ok, it says Note that this program requires an X │

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songer:

│ display

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wagnerrp:

thats because most programs that come with mythtv all require an active X server

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wagnerrp:

well... mythfrontend and mythtv-setup anyway

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: is that for both the be/fe or just the fe

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wagnerrp:

mythbackend doesnt need an x server

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songer:

ok, What else i need to install?

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wagnerrp:

and the rest of the programs are ones that you likely do not need to run manually

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wagnerrp:

you need to install... an X server

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wagnerrp:

or more likely, make sure the one you have installed already is running, and you are using it

[05:02:12]

wagnerrp:

basically, you should not be running that program from the system console

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wagnerrp:

beyond that, your problem is more one of a distro

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wagnerrp:

a functional X server is one of the things you are expected to have before asking for help in here

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songer:

ok I already install mythtv, in aplication appears mythtv fronted

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wagnerrp:

if you have an 'applications' menu, you are running an X server

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wagnerrp:

i hope you arent trying to run 'mythtv frontend' before doing some sort of setup

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songer:

i need ti install a program call it X display

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wagnerrp:

do you have a bar on the top and/or bottom of your screen?

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wagnerrp:

does that bar have menus you can click with your mouse?

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songer:

I can't see anything

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wagnerrp:

then what do you mean 'in aplication appears mythtv frontend'

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wagnerrp:

what is 'aplication'

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songer:

thanks I will look informacion in google

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wagnerrp:

what distro are you running

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songer:

thankswagnerrp

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songer:

If I ask, is because I'm new in linux

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songer:

I'm using debian

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songer:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

i would presume a default debian install comes bundled with xorg

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wagnerrp:

and the installer probably sets it up and runs it for you

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wagnerrp:

but if not, im sure you can find howto's somewhere on their site

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wagnerrp:

considering setting up an X server is one of the very first tasks on linux

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Thanks much for the remotefile fixes/improvements

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songer:

at less windows has media center

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wagnerrp:

songer: if this is your first foray into linux, you may want to reconsider trying to use mythtv so soon

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wagnerrp:

it really requires at least minimal working knowledge of linux to set up and manage properly

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wagnerrp:

at least use one of the pre-packaged distros like mythbuntu, mythdora, or linhes

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songer:

ok; I thought that with your help and google I could install mythtv

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juski:

iamlindoro: I officially wash my hands of that guy now. I'm not repeating myself again

[05:34:03]

wagnerrp:

this channel and google are not good sources of information for installing mythtv

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wagnerrp:

read the official docs on the mythtv website

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iamlindoro:

juski, whichguynow?

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wagnerrp:

read the install guide on the wiki

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iamlindoro:

the aac latm guy?

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juski:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

search for a debian specific howto

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

read through it, use google to look up any terms you dont understand

[05:35:03]

wagnerrp:

considering you dont know what 'X' is, that is going to be a lot of stuff

[05:35:22]

wagnerrp:

spend a couple days feeling your way around linux

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juski:

iamlindoro: I could understand (and tolerate) it if there was a translation problem. But it ain't. So that's it now. Totally

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iamlindoro:

juski, Apparently (among other things) doesn't realize that day before feature freeze is not a good time to try to get user support for hours upon hours in the dev channel

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wagnerrp:

maybe pick up a linux starter book from ORiley

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wagnerrp:

this channel exists to help you when you get stuck

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juski:

iamlindoro: he could change his nick to IANL (I Am Not Listening)

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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jya:

iamlindoro, are you using a nvidia card with your mythtv setup ?

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iamlindoro:

jya, yep

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jya:

hum.. bugger :)

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iamlindoro:

jya, heh, that's bad? :)

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wagnerrp:

he was hoping you were not sane i guess

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jya:

no, I've completed my nvctrl support, ready to commit, but I wanted to check how it compiles on non nvidia stuff

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iamlindoro:

jya, ahhh... got to be someone around w/ an Intel setup

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wagnerrp:

dont you have an intel dell studio laying around?

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jya:

should be all good, but you never know

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yeah, but out in the garage and not set up

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jya:

I'll set up a vmware image and try there

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jya:

don't want to break stuff for my first big commit ....

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iamlindoro:

heh, know the feeling

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wagnerrp:

im sure theres a joke in there somewhere about wanting it to be a special moment

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jya:

BTW, I removed all packaged nvidia drivers, and try on a clean install using nvidia installer this time. Graphite makes libGL.so coredump a lot during startup

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iamlindoro:

well, the theme itself can't cause a segfault

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jya:

once started, it's all good

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jya:

i understand tht :)

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jya:

just occurs with that theme, right after loading it... I see the background theme, and bang segfault...

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jya:

can't debug it unfortunately

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iamlindoro:

not quite sure what the issue is, unfortunately, though the GL painter surely has issues

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juski:

what? HE got commit access?

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juski:

I'm effing outta here

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jya:

riiiight...

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RyeBrye:

jya – what does your nvctrl stuff do?

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jya:

it's what's used by nvidia-settings to change the configuration without restarting X

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jya:

kind of a xrandr on steroids

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jya:

it allows to change the resolution, the refresh rate etc...

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jya:

but for my use, it's to get around the values returned by the nvidia drivers for the refresh rate: like 50, 51, 52 etc...

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RyeBrye:

yeah, I could use that too

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RyeBrye:

It reports crazy refresh rates like 58.9 or some junk

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jya:

currently, you can configure myth to use a specific refresh rate for a given resolution

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jya:

but you need to know that the refresh rate 51 is say 75Hz

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jya:

the mod I'm about to commit allows to change the screen based on the video being played, to remove judder, so you watch a 24fps video with your 24Hz TV

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RyeBrye:

nice

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RyeBrye:

yeah, that makes a lot of sense

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jya:

i'm rushing a bit, cause the feature freeze is in a few hours ,and I don't want to wait 0.23 after that

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RyeBrye:

:)

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jya:

like in 2 years :)

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RyeBrye:

No way it will be 2 years

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RyeBrye:

more like 4

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RyeBrye:

;P

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iamlindoro:

You'll see .23 in short order

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iamlindoro:

the goal is to go to twice-yearlyish releases after this

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iamlindoro:

so Marchish

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wagnerrp:

is anyone running a recent trunk with a slavebe?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, seeing the socket errors/disconnects?

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RyeBrye:

I'll probably never see 0.23 :) I'll see whatever the svn rev is when I happen to feel like building it :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

string list stuff

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, yeah, daniel knows about that stuff, beleive he's working on a solution

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wagnerrp:

ok

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RyeBrye:

hmm... twice yearly? when it gets to 0.99 will the next release be 1.00 or will it be 0.100?

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wagnerrp:

hopefully were not still using mythtv in 2050

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RyeBrye:

with a twice yearly release cycle, it would be easy to project an answer to the "when will myth be 1.0" if you agree to keep two decimal places as the starndard :)

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RyeBrye:

by 2050 the DRM will be implanted in our brains by our robotic overlords

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wagnerrp:

now if only i could get the PVR drivers to compile under freebsd...

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jya:

weird: when I switch the refresh rate with xrandr , the playback shows the latest setup screen used

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spO:

hi

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spO:

si ther esomething like Hauppauge HD PVR except that is cheaper than 200 dollars and does not support hd tv , just supports regular resolution digital cables , but channels that come from cable box

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spO:

such as channel 204 or 404 (but not hd digital)

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spO:

do any of you know something cheaper than Hauppauge HD PVR, maybe something that does not do HD, but can record regular/non-hd digital cable

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wagnerrp:

so you just want standard resolution capture?

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wagnerrp:

the type of card people used with myth for years before digital tuners became common?

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Dagmar:

If it's channel 404 it's going to be digital

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Dagmar:

Non digital only goes up to about 130 or so and that's rare to see

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wagnerrp:

if you want to record standard resolution content off a cable box

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wagnerrp:

you want an IVTV card

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wagnerrp:

ivtvdriver.org

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wagnerrp:

read the list, find one on ebay, and be happy

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wagnerrp:

dont find some cheap non-ivtv card (framegrabber) and think youre getting a good deal

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spO:

Tivo costs 13 bucks a month for subscription, Hauppauge HD PVR costs 1 time cost of 200 bucks but does not have a cablecard slot........ Not having a inexpensive option for DVR or even Set Top Boxes is ridiculus

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is not an inexpensive solution

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wagnerrp:

and like i said, grab an IVTV card (pvr-150/500) off ebay, and use it to capture audio and video off your STB

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wagnerrp:

oh no... theyre multiplying

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spOO`:

i will check that site

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spOO`:

but tivo for 13 bucks a month is a rip off

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wagnerrp:

dont bother checking that site, just find a PVR-150 or PVR-500 somewhere online

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spOO`:

hauppauge hd pvr for 200 bucks without a cablecard acess is a rip off

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wagnerrp:

theyre no longer in production, so youre usually limited to ebay

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wagnerrp:

sp0: you will NEVER see a cablecard tuner for use on general linux

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wagnerrp:

because in an open system, there is no way to prevent access to the content

[07:04:44]

wagnerrp:

and the whole purpose of cablecard is to maintain control of the content until it is deleted

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wagnerrp:

not to simply control the first access to it

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wagnerrp:

for that matter, you cant even buy a cablecard tuner

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wagnerrp:

you MUST purchase it from a licensed OEM

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wagnerrp:

even if you find cablecard tuners on ebay, you still have to have a valid machine ID from a licensed machine, and one of just a handful of motherboards, for the tuner to even function

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wagnerrp:

dont blame hauppauge for producing a device to work around the cable conglomerate's f-up

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wagnerrp:

you do realize the HDPVR is not a tuner, right?

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wagnerrp:

you plug it into your STB, and use that to capture whatever channels your STB is authorized to access

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spO:

the pvr-150 or pvr-500 , can they record digital channels, like channel 404?

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juski:

spO: NO

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juski:

which is why they're called ANALOGUE tuners

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juski:

as in ANALOGUE != DIGITAL

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Dagmar:

..with fewer superfluous vowels even.

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spO:

so there is nothing cheaper than the HDPVR

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Dagmar:

Not for digital no

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Dagmar:

If you wanna capture HD the HD-PVR is pretty much it

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juski:

spO: you could record an STB output in standard def. of course. Fat lot of point there is in that

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Dagmar:

If you wanna record SD off the composite output of your cable box, you can use a PVR-150/500

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juski:

allegedly some lucky people get everything they pay for output through the firewire port on their cable STB but they're probably in the minority

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Dagmar:

s/minority/endangered species/;

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Dagmar:

The moment someone at their provider decides it's worth money to stop that, it'll go away

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spO:

maybe in 8 months HDPVR will be less than 100 bucks

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Dagmar:

Not likely

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Dagmar:

It genuinely involves markedly more expensive hardware

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Dagmar:

There's _some_ prestige cost in that price, but I think not as much as Hauppauge would really like

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juski:

there are rumours other manufacturers are working on their own h.264 hardware encoding HD capture solutions, but don't hold your breath for another which works in linux

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Dagmar:

Yeah we got lucky with the HD-PVR in that a certain company wasn't apparently paying attention to what they'd licenced Hauppauge

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Dagmar:

...or maybe they've just not bothered to sue us yet. I dunno

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juski:

why did somebody bother making a ticket for the apple trailers 'plugin' ?

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spO:

to record with the HDPVR, your stb has to be on and it has to be tuned in to the chanel you want to record ,r gith?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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juski:

myers

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juski:

wouldn't be much use otherwise, unless you have one of those magic STBs which let you watch TWO things at once

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Dagmar:

It just takes the analog outs from the component cable and turns it back into digital stuff

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Dagmar:

The image loss from that is not even worth considering

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spO:

cable market is a fucking rip off for consumers

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spO:

everything costs lots of money

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Dagmar:

There's all sorts of fun and games with varying bitrates you don't have to deal with with it doing that too

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juski:

spO: language

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spO:

i might as well buy a moxi

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juski:

there are those who say that no TV is worth paying a subscription fee for, and I'd be inclined to agree with them :)

[07:21:19]

spO:

did you guys read about moxi? i hope other companies develop something like moxi, that does not require monthyl charges of 13 bucks

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spO:

however, moxi costs 800 bucks or 40 bucks a month

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Dagmar:

Hmmm... $800 tho

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spO:

that too is too expensive

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juski:

vote with your wallet. If more of us do – many, MANY more of us.. things might eventually change. Not that we care particularly

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spO:

i was thinking that there would be a cablecard device, but no mjaor development in that for 13 years

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Dagmar:

Nope and it's not likely to happen soon in the US

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spO:

only tivo, which costs 13 bucks amonth, which along with its base price is not any better than getting a dvr from a cable co

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juski:

all the companies have seized their opportunity to finally rid themselves of consumers having ultimate control over what is watched, when & how

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Dagmar:

The media companies know that cablecard directly threatens their ability to establish vertical monopolies

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spO:

is cable in europe similar to usa?

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juski:

nope

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juski:

it's more open. not in the UK though

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jya:

in Europe these days, it's mainly video over DSL or satellite

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juski:

but at least in most European countries people can buy their own hardware & use non-propriatary access control stuff

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juski:

only satellite & IP video restrict usage to propriatary hardware, and that's as bad as Dish in the US

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jya:

but unlike the US, there is no law forcing providers to supply an non-encrypted stream for FTA channels

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juski:

.. which is how we ended up with the so-called 'Free To View' (FTV) scenario

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juski:

where you STILL need a CAM & viewing card to decrypt 'free' channels. :-\

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juski:

IMHO anybody broadcasting encrypted stuff can go to hell unless they start allowing customers to use their own gear. Let US be responsible for what we do with content. TRUST us

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juski:

don't see that happening any time soon so it's just aswell I don't feel I'm missing out

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kyler:

I think I've finally pegged "GetRecordBasename found no entry for..." as the root of my problem with program listings.

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kyler:

I've confirmed that my frontend and backend have synchronized time.

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kyler:

I've also found "recorded" entries that trigger this problem. Once one triggers it, most of the recordings are mangled in the listing.

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juski:

hostnames change much?

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juski:

oh and having syncronised time isn't enough. they have to be the same time *zone* too

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kyler:

juski: me? Probably. I kept a fairly stable machine for a few years but had problems with it recently and re-did things.

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juski:

changing hostnames on a mythtv system isn't nice

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kyler:

juski: Yup, same time zone too. (I had EDT vs. America/Indiana/Indianapolis earlier.)

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kyler:

It should have only been the settop box that changed names.

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juski:

agrhhh ffs. mythbackend fell over making a preview again.

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kyler:

frontend

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juski:

it runs for *months* so I've never seen any point putting it under gdb

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Dibblah:

...?

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Dibblah:

That can't happen.

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juski:

that was the last thing in the log

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Dibblah:

The preview *process* is entirely seperate.

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juski:

in 0.21-fixes?

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juski:

must be something else then

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Dibblah:

ISTR, yes.

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spO:

moxi is probably the best bet then if you want consumers to be agressive

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spO:

someone needs to hack and clone moxi hardware

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juski:

spO: at $40 a month? screw that

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spO:

someone needs to clone their hardware

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juski:

IP theft is taken pretty seriously these days :P

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spO:

IP?

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spO:

anyways

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juski:

intellectual property

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juski:

take the easy way out & just stop paying for TV channels you don't even need ;-)

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Dibblah:

ISTR the preview generation was split out sometime in May 07.

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Dibblah:

What does dmesg say?

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kyler:

Oh, my mistake. It's not "GetRecordBasename". The backend is sending a blank chanid. ("GetRecordBasename found no entry for @ 2009-08–24T03:26:18") Hmmm...

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juski:

nothing useful, as per usual

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Dibblah:

It'll say what process the segfault was in.

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Dibblah:

Unless it's an exit.

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juski:

I'm too tired to care much about it now

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dansushi:

ok, people. I have 3 tv cards, and they all suck. I need some advice on some good tv cards that are compatible with linux and mythtv. (preferably less than 100 USD) Any suggestions?

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Dagmar:

PVR-500.

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dansushi:

i have a PVR-150 right now. What does the 500 offer that the 150 doesn't?

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laga:

if your pvr-150 does not work with mythtv and linux, you're doing something wrong

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Dagmar:

Another tuner.

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dansushi:

laga: it's working, but i'm not getting any audio

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laga:

that hardly qualifies as "working" ;)

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dansushi:

well, video-wise

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dansushi:

it's working

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Dagmar:

Sounds more like badly installed

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laga:

dansushi: www.ivtvdriver.org might have some troubleshooting tips

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juski:

what are you doing – recording from composite/svideo and have forgotten you need to hook up the audio cables? :P

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dansushi:

i have installed the ivtv modules and firmware

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dansushi:

no

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dansushi:

Co-axial

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juski:

talked to a guy in here once who sincerely believed that svideo passed audio too

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juski:

we have to check ;-)

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dansushi:

juski: yeah, i know some people you think that as well

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dansushi:

about s-vidia

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dansushi:

*video

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dansushi:

sorry, i was just doing stuff with nvidia, lol

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juski:

dansushi: as with everything else try it without involving mythtv

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juski:

once you have it worky in linux, then proceed towards mythtv again :)

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dansushi:

what program do you usually use to test it out?

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dansushi:

i usually use tvtime, but it doesn't support ivtv

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juski:

cat /dev/video0 to file, then play the file, or just play wild & mplayer /dev/video0

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juski:

VLC supports analogue mpeg2 encoding tuners now IIRC

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dansushi:

it's pretty late for me right now, but i'll probably come back here in the near future for troubleshooting

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dansushi:

juski: I love vlc, but I'm not sure how to set up a video card to work with it correctly

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juski:

it was a while ago I last played with a pvr150 so it may not even have been VLC ;-)

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dansushi:

the PVR-500 doesn't do HDTV, does it?

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juski:

nope

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dansushi:

i was thinking of getting a card that does

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dansushi:

for the future, but those are way up there in price, right?

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juski:

depends. if you

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juski:

grr

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juski:

if you're talking about HD analogue capture, then yes.. $$$$$$$

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juski:

s/analogue/component

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juski:

but plain tuners for free to air HDTV.. they're relatively cheap

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dansushi:

oh, hmm, i see

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dansushi:

do you know of any page online that has a list of tv cards that work well with mythtv?

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juski:

s/mythtv/linux

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juski:

linuxtv.org

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juski:

same old same old

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dansushi:

um, may i ask why you put an s before the slash there?

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spO:

is BBC FTA , but is charged to british common welath through a tax?

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spO:

i want to get BBC if it is FTA

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juski:

I don't see why I should pay my TV licence fee to fund Johnny Foreigner watching our quality shows

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dansushi:

juski: what do you think about http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600 ?

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juski:

I think it's pointless buying hybrid tuner cards

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dansushi:

why is that?

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juski:

because I don't see any point in having a card capable of doing two separate things if it can't do them at the same time

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dansushi:

ah, yeah

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dansushi:

good point

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jya:

I see the point, here in Oz for example, there are channels only broadcast over analog and not digital

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jya:

and probably will not be digital for several years (mainly local channels)

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dansushi:

what do you think about KnoppMyth vs. MythDora vs. MythBuntu. Which is the best to use?

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juski:

dansushi: whichever you think is best. I hold no allegiance to any of them

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dansushi:

oh, ok- i've never used any of them, so, i wanted to see what other people thought

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Dibblah:

Actually, your license fee doesn't pay to have foreign people watch the shows.

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Dibblah:

That's the commercial arm of the BBC – Which is a for-profit entity.

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Dibblah:

Books are at least meant to be completely seperate.

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juski:

depends where the viewers are doesn't it? I mean footprint steering isn't enough to make BBC HD vanish from the non-UK parts of Europe is it?

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spO:

well i don't want any BRITish people getting any shows that i have to pay extra money for becuase i live in the usa, either

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spO:

if that is the way you want to be

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spO:

like

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spO:

hbo and showtime

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spO:

i have to pay extra money that british people don't

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juski:

the licence fee doesn't go towards the American arm of the beeb, thankfully

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madLyfe:

what are the couple lines i have to add to get mythtv to work with my ati card?

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spO:

can i buy a used stb , or is that illegal to have in the usa?

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juski:

I didn't think you could ever *own* a cable STB in the US

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juski:

so it wouldn't be theirs to sell

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spO:

that is fucking ridiculus

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juski:

language, again

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_ben:

mornin'

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spOO`:

?

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juski:

spO: stop using actual 'cuss' words in channel please

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AndyCap:

wonder if anyone has opened up one of those moxi boxes.

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AndyCap:

Is there a penguin trapped inside.

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juski:

it'll prolly have suffocated by now

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laga:

aw

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juski:

either that or starved to death :D

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AndyCap:

it'll probably stink horribly if you open it then

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AndyCap:

:)

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juski:

mind you, that tux is a fat little son of a ...

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AndyCap:

yeah, I don't know what you call female penguins either

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juski:

oo Channel 4 are planning a whole week of unwatchable crap. erm.. I mean '3D'

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AndyCap:

anaglyphic contact lenses!

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levander:

Anyone know if the ir receiver that comes with the Hauppage HVR 2250 is supposed to work with Myth?

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lyricnz:

waaaah, my tuners stopped working, and they're a huge pain to get working last time

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lyricnz:

mkrufky fixed it for me last time, nice guy

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juski:

levander: you need it to work with *lirc*

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levander:

juski: yeah, that's what I'm trying to find out, if it does

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juski:

that's the last of my diffs all gone. screw it

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Gorgen:

what does it mean when the S is small in LMsC ?

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juski:

I dunno, I don't use live tv :)

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Gorgen:

it's a bit annoying.. have to zap to another channel and back when it happens

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juski:

trawling around tens/hundreds of channels trying to find something to watch is annoying too :)

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Gorgen:

true :) trunk is getting its act together now.. actually working pretty well with DVB-S2

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Gorgen:

there are some instability issues, but altogether not that bad

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juski:

I won't be upgrading immediately

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Gorgen:

I've been wanting DVB-S2 for so long so I've patched trunk with the S2API stuff for some months now.. glad it's finally in there

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juski:

yeah well due to one thing or another I'll no longer be tossing my efforts into the hat

[11:08:05]

juski:

somebody comes along, slags off the team & its practises, virtually threatens to fork the project.. and ends up with commit access. wtf

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sebrock:

DivX encoding with nuvexport has errors in ffmpeg options. Is there a bug on this?

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juski:

sebrock: can you go to svn.mythtv.org and search? you'll get your answer that way :)

[11:10:04]

sebrock:

hate searching bugtackers

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sebrock:

I always end up finding the bug after I filed a new one

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juski:

there won't be that many tickets on nuvexport

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sebrock:

Problem is I don't have time to check all things that are wrong. According to a ffmpeg-dev there are a lot of things that is messed up

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sebrock:

in the nuvexport ffmpeg command

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juski:

oh you don't have time? Then nor do I

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sebrock:

I was not telling you to do it. I just say I won't right now

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juski:

wish I'd never got up this morning, and that I'd never found out what I found outr

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sebrock:

then take a few valiums and go to be

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sebrock:

d

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mindoms:

do you want us to find out what you found out?

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sebrock:

no, I don't want anything. I'm just saying it. After my exam I will file the bug

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sebrock:

god chill out

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jduggan:

juski: who got commit access?

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juski:

VDPAU backport guy

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jduggan:

ah

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CoreDump|cf-18:

good morning guys

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juski:

it certainly is morning where you are isn't it? ;-)

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juski:

pity, I was really getting my teeth into the gl painter fun too.

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CoreDump|cf-18:

well, depends heh. It's past 1pm here

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Guest39354:

hi I want to build a deb package for mythbackend, that includes the newest patches for s2api support, I found a howto at the ubuntu forums, and it says I would need the "Quellcode" (german, sorry I cant translate that) which is packed as a tar file. WHere can I find that?

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CoreDump|cf-18:

Guest39354: fwiw, the debian packaging is compatible with a simple "./configure --prefix=/user && make install"

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CoreDump|cf-18:

I have installed the .deb and make-install'ed the fixes SVN over it. Only nuvexport needed a helping hand

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CoreDump|cf-18:

just fyi

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Guest39354:

CoreDump|cd-18 I sadly didn't understand what you are saying, I dont know the commands you used yet I heard of some things like svn before. I thought I could get it working, by following the howto step by step

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CoreDump|cf-18:

sorry, since you were trying to patch mythbackend and even building a .deb, I assumed you knew you way around compiling stuff.

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Guest39354:

CoreDump|cd-18 if compiling is using make and make install, then I used it for installing the s2api driver (which works). Did you say: I can download the files from the svn branch and install them atop of the already (via deb) installed mythbackend using make and make install?

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CoreDump|cf-18:

the mythtv sources reside in a source management system called SVN. SVN manages the sources and allow different developers to work on the same stuff without one destroying the work of another. If you need the mythtv sources, the easiest way is to "check them out" via svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-21-fixes/

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CoreDump|cf-18:

Guest39354: exactly

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CoreDump|cf-18:

instructions are here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/

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CoreDump|cf-18:

you need the -fixes branch

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Guest39354:

I already installed trunk via mythbuntu repository, and I am looking for s2api support, wouldnt trunk be better? thanks for the link

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CoreDump|cf-18:

if you are already running trunk, yes of course. Downgrading back to -fixes can be a pain

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Guest39354:

thanks, after doing "svn co http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/trunk/" will there be a new folder in which I have to do make/make install or will it be already updated by then?

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CoreDump|cf-18:

you need to run ./configure --prefix=/usr, then make

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CoreDump|cf-18:

make install will install the compiled sources

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Guest39354:

thanks Ill try it

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CoreDump|cf-18:

if you have a multicore CPU "make -j2 (or -j4/8 etc) will speed thing up

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Guest39354:

it wont take my command: http://pastebin.com/d5a38239a maybe I did it in the wrong folder? I typed this command in right after downloading the svn files

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CoreDump|cf-18:

yeah, you need to cd into the sources folder

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Gorgen:

ooh, nice one: segfault at 7c7c7c7c ip b7acc885 sp bfaa48a0 error 6 in libmythtv-0.22.so.0.22.0[b74a9000+a97000]

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Guest39354:

but there is no sources folder, this is all I found: http://pastebin.com/d2157f11f

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CoreDump|cf-18:

Guest39354: cd mythtv

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Guest39354:

thx

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Guest39354:

it works until this error comes up: http://pastebin.com/d4e2ce4e0

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CoreDump|cf-18:

well, you need the qt4 sources installed before you can compile trunk

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CoreDump|cf-18:

apt-get install libqt4-dev should do

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juski:

Guest39354: S2 support is in trunk now. No need to patch

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Guest39354:

juski I had some problems scanning for channels, trac says this was fixed about one day ago, and the mythbuntu weekly build are updated on friday, so I think I need to patch, except they updated the repo today, do you know something about that?

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juski:

you can't patch binaries

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juski:

or rather you can, but not the ones you've got :P

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juski:

better to uninstall the packages & build it yourself if you want the most up to date code

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juski:

*if you don

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juski:

ugh

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juski:

if you don't want to wait til the packages are updated

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juski:

and if you know the packages have been updated, apt-get update perhaps?

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Guest39354:

no new updates yet

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Guest39354:

thing is I will be gone back to university by tomorrow, it would be great if it works this way, else I will set up a new server in december anyway

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GuySoft:

hi all, i am still not sure what to do about the latm capture here. it seems that keeps taking up 100% of the cpu. i tried another computer now, and i get the same problems and the same errors

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GuySoft:

there is a test file you can try at: http://gnet.homelinux.com/files/test_output.mpg can anyone try it with trunk built in the last day? and see what is wrong? i am not sure if its the audio of the video anymore

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GuySoft:

it would be nice if someone with access to the trac can at least file a bug report for me

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uski:

Hi; does anyone use a PS3 as a mythtv media rendered through uPNP? I am wondering if the PS3 can decode 1080p videos through uPNP

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laga:

GuySoft: just do it yourself?

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GuySoft:

laga, i was told the registration is closed.. and i carn't find one nether

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Guest39354:

looks like compiling worked, hopefully scanning for channels does, too;-)

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juski:

uski: well, they can apparently play bluray

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juski:

as for 1080p – 1080p WHAT exactly? ;-)

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laga:

GuySoft: are you talking about the mythtv bug tracker or the ffmpeg one?

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uski:

juski, i'm wondering if it works over uPNP; I was thinking about H264 and VC-1, but H264 would already be very nice :)

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juski:

uPNP is just another way of stuffing files along a pipe

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juski:

doesn't matter what format the stuff is

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juski:

if you have enough network throughput (and lets face it, any wired network over 10Mbit should be enough) ...

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Guest39354:

how can I stop mythbackend? /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop doesnt work it doesnt know the command stop

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juski:

Guest39354: you need to be root-ish to do that

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GuySoft:

laga, well , ether i suppose. i can compile ffmpeg and see if i get the error there too

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juski:

and sometimes it's /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend

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juski:

TAB is your friend there

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juski:

/etc/init.d/myth then press TAB

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juski:

assuming your shell has tab completion enabled ;-)

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bonne:

hi all, anyone know how to stop mythtv stealing lirc events when there's another program on top?

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GreyFoxx:

bonne: If myth launches the app iot will stop getting lirc events. If you are manually starting it then there is no way built in to do that

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AndyCap:

uski: Don't have any solid material, but yes, it can, if it is in a supported format, and it is very picky about the formats on upnp

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bonne:

so you can't make lirc act like a normal input device and follow focus?

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uski:

AndyCap, thanks; I guess I'll have to get one and try, I can't manage to find a list of supported formats

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Guest10848:

it seems to be updated, and I can scan for channels, lspci finds my card but mythtv comes up with no results, as I am running trunk, I know things are likely not to work, yet does someone know what I can do to find out why it doesnt work?

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GreyFoxx:

bonne: nope

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GreyFoxx:

myth gets the events from the lirc daemon, regardless of application focus

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juski:

what you need is a prog = mythtv effect ;-)

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GreyFoxx:

If myth launches the app we intentionally ignore all lirc/joystick and so on events

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bonne:

right

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AndyCap:

uski: it is less than this list :) http://manuals.playstation.net/document/en/ps . . . letypes.html

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uski:

thanks

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bonne:

that's a strange design for lirc to choose I think

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GreyFoxx:

Why? I's not meant to replace your mouse which follows focus

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juski:

strange/logical/weird .. hey if you can do better they accept patches

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GreyFoxx:

It's mean to send control signals to applications

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bonne:

would be neater if lirc events were handled just like keypresses

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GreyFoxx:

"Hey stop playing music"

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FR^2:

Guest10848: Make sure the necessary kernel modules get loaded

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GreyFoxx:

it doesn't care if the music player is on the top or bottom :)

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bonne:

you can always set a keypress to have some global meaning

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bonne:

I have that with my volume keys for example

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** AndyCap still hasn't been able to figure out why his mythbox won't serve upnp **

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juski:

why would you want other apps on top of mythfrontend anyway?

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juski:

weirdo

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bonne:

we're all weird

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GreyFoxx:

ain't that the truth

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janneg:

AndyCap: master backend ip == 127.0.0.1?

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GreyFoxx:

if we weren't life would be borrin :)

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bonne:

for sure

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juski:

there'd be no need for linux ;-)

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Guest10848:

FR^2 I can use scan-s2 to create a channels.conf (mythtv wont take it) does that prove the modules are loaded, or is there another way?

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bonne:

anyway I guess I'll just have to find another way

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GreyFoxx:

bonne: There is a way to run lirc so that it generates keypresses rather than sending lircd events

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bonne:

ah I was just about to look into that

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GreyFoxx:

it will send keypress/xevents

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FR^2:

Guest10848: Hmm. Don't know – should suffice. But you could also try out another tv application (xine, kaffeine, me-tv) – But on the whole, I think I can't help you further.

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bonne:

ok cool, I think that's what I want

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GreyFoxx:

but it's been many years since I looked at that

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bonne:

no probs I'll take a look around and see what I can find

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GreyFoxx:

irxevent

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AndyCap:

janneg: good point. but I don't think so. That is MasterServerIP right?

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bonne:

ok cool

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janneg:

AndyCap: I think so

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AndyCap:

janneg: heh, never mind. user() returned EID10T :)

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AndyCap:

needed the frontend packages on the backend as well.

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AndyCap:

anyhow, the ps3 didn't have any problems with the DVB-C mpeg2 either. even switched to 50Hz :) win.

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sebrock:

is this the correct way of calling nuvexport? nuvexport-xvid --nice 19 --input="%FILE%"

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sebrock:

I get empty filenames

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sebrock:

i have filename= %t -%s in nuvexportrc

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kyler:

remoteutil.cpp:204: error: invalid operands of types 'const char [18]' and 'int' to binary 'operator%'

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laga:

in a shell? or in an userjob?

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kyler:

Whoops! Disregard. That was something I threw in there for testing.

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iamlindoro:

sebrock, try filename = "%t – %s"

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iamlindoro:

with the quotation marks

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iamlindoro:

without will almost assuredly fail

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bonne:

GreyFoxx: Thanks for the advice... works like a charm

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: hey, been meaning to ask you about perf of graphite w/the bucketloads of graphics added...

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j-rod:

wondering if I'm Doing It Wrong(tm)

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j-rod:

because, damn, its painfully slow

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j-rod:

probably doesn't help that all the graphics are on an nfs share rather than local

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nighthawk:

svn.mythtv.org:80 running slow this morning?

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CoreDump|cf-18:

hmmm is there multicore / SMP support for nuvexport / ffmpeg?

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** CoreDump|cf-18 couldn't find anything about that **

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Essobi_:

Morning.

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wagnerrp:

CoreDump|cf-18: it all depends on the codec youre using

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CoreDump|cf-18:

xvid

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wagnerrp:

no SMP support

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juski:

whee there go the rest of the diffs bye byes

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nighthawk:

I can't browse svn.mythtv.org from my local connection or from a colo server :(

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CoreDump|cf-18:

well, I guess I can live with 37fps

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juski:

seems broked

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wagnerrp:

yeah, cant access trac either

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juski:

hardly a surprise – it's seen a lot of activity for some reason recently

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nighthawk:

dang, wanted to try the new jamu this morning

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, The only time it should be slow is when first loading an image into the cache... once it's in the local cache performance should be very fast

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CoreDump|cf-18:

wagnerrp: thanks

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, Sort of a side effect of us not threading image loading/being unable to defer image load in the theme

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: hrm. how much is cached? as much as can fit in ram?

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, As much as you've got RAM, I presume :)

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: so what you're telling me is that I need to stop bouncing the box... :)

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loki_666:

what's the fastest deintrelacing method?

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juski:

loki_666: whichever works best for you

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, heh, as long as you don't clear the local themecache, rebooting should be fine

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juski:

the fastest is NONE

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juski:

loki_666: after that, BLEND & onefield

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, it just needs to be in the local *disk* themecache and then it should be fast-- getting it into ram should take very little time

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: oh? hm... I swear its going back to sloth after a reboot, I'll have to take a look

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wagnerrp:

why would someone complain about a bug with mythtv over 450 revisions off current?

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laga:

wagnerrp: because they can!

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loki_666:

juski, ok 'll try that

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juski:

EEW

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, Where specifically are you seeing poor performance? I guess I made a leap assuming it was during image load

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, I see great performance on my systems, but they're a bit beastly... juski has seen really poor performance when he was having netowrk issues and (I think) because of poor openGL performance

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j-rod:

iamlindoro: when I go into my mythvideo, into a sub-folder I've not been into in a while, definely seems to be image load

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j-rod:

cpu gets pegged for a bit

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j-rod:

lowly atom proc

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, does the folder contain other folders with folder.jpg graphics in them?

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iamlindoro:

If so, that could be the issue

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j-rod:

I don't think so

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iamlindoro:

as I don't think those get cached, but instead get reloaded every time

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nighthawk:

I wonder if linux file memory caching can be weighted, e.g. prefer to hold .jpg files over .mpeg

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j-rod:

I do have one folder that has sub-folders

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j-rod:

but I know I've seen this with folders where I'm pretty sure there are no sub-folders

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, Hm... well, if the stuff is cached it should be fairly fast... bu if for whatever reason it's getting cached anew, that would do it

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j-rod:

ok, I'll probably have to do some more experimenting

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j-rod:

in unrelated news, lirc_zilog is binding to the IR chip in my hdpvr now

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j-rod:

no clue if it actually *works* yet though

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iamlindoro:

nice!

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iamlindoro:

gotta run to work, will catch up in a bit

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nighthawk:

svn isn't mirrored anywhere, is it?

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juski:

nope

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laga:

janneg has a git mirror

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juski:

ffs me & my temper. should never have done all those deletes. Damnit

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jduggan:

deletes?

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jduggan:

what have you been deleting

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juski:

all the stuff I'd been playing with this past few weeks

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jduggan:

not all those ui hacks

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jduggan:

??

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jduggan:

omg dood!

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juski:

anybody know a good ext3 undelete util?

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juski:

btw it's unlikely such a thing even exists, I know

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wagnerrp:

juski: well the only thing youre likely to find will just scan the drive and look for sensible ASCII in unallocated blocks

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AndyCap:

juski: well, there are some. but what kind of files?

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Dibblah:

The technique I used relied on not having any internal file fragmentation.

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juski:

maybe the pastebins of stuff will still be around

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wagnerrp:

they default to a month

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AndyCap:

juski: you should probably stop using the drive right now though since they use some stuff in the journals etc.

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laga:

you should probably use version control. ;)

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AndyCap:

juski: rather longwinded though http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html

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Dibblah:

If it's text, then it's moderately easy, if it hasn't been overwritten.

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juski:

it's only text

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juski:

that's all diffs are innit

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Dibblah:

juski: Submit early, submit often ;) ;)

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juski:

submit to what? I'm not ****ing touching svn

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juski:

not with this stuff

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juski:

not when it hasn't been reviewed

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Dibblah:

http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/undelete_ext3.html

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wagnerrp:

he means run your own local repository

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juski:

got one

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wagnerrp:

Dibblah: AndyCap just posted that

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Dibblah:

That, or have a plan to kill everyone you meet.

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Dibblah:

Oh, I mean have a backup.

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nighthawk:

google does not cache svn :( no trying the new jamu for me this morning

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Dibblah:

Sorry – They're right next to each other.

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juski:

backups won't do me any good unless somebody physically takes them away somewhere

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juski:

if I have physical access..

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jduggan:

maybe an anger management course

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jduggan:

:)

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AndyCap:

juski: ah, yes bottle it up inside, until you go postal, excellent idea. :)

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AndyCap:

doh, that was for jduggan

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juski:

been fine for yonks, then ..

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jduggan:

we've all been there

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juski:

in any case I think I'll stay away from the code until after the release

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sebrock:

iamlindoro, no it still outputs %t_-_00.avi

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sebrock:

err, it outputs '%t_-_00'.avi

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Powderking:

Hi evyone

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Powderking:

I use Mythbuntu 9.04 AMD64 and have a problem setting up my Hauppage WinTV-HVR-1300.

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Powderking:

In a guide (http://www.ganymede.ch/2007/09/05/mythtv-with-wintv-hvr-1300/) I read that the sound has to be piped from TV card to soundcard via a script (http://files.ganymede.ch/files/tvaudio.sh) but I get lines like:

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Powderking:

ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1433:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card

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Powderking:

arecord: main:608: audio open error: No such file or directory

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Powderking:

aplay: playback:2297: read error

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Powderking:

The guide tells me, that the module cx88_alsa is used, but in the mythtv wiki is written that sound driver cx88_sound is used.

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Powderking:

When I try to load the modules by sudo modprobe cx88_alsa (or sound) I get back the error:

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Powderking:

FATAL: Error inserting cx88_alsa (/lib/modules/2.6.28-15-generic/kernel/drivers/media/video/cx88/cx88-alsa.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg).

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Powderking:

When I run dmesg I get many lines at the end for cx88_alsa with "unknown symbol" and disagree about version of symbol.

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Powderking:

What can I do?

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sulx:

rebuild driver

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Powderking:

sulx: Sorry I'm a newbie. Which driver do you mean? cx88_alsa or v4l?

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wagnerrp:

Powderking: that howto just seems... wrong

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wagnerrp:

you have a hardware mpeg encoder

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nighthawk:

in mythvideo gallery mode, is navigation wrap around a function of the theme?

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wagnerrp:

the audio and video comes out of that card packaged in a nice mpeg stream

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wagnerrp:

unless the analog side is not currently supported under linux

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Powderking:

wgmerp: does that mean, I have to rebuild driver or only choose the right options in backend or frontend configuration?

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wagnerrp:

that means... do you have a /dev/video0 device?

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Powderking:

wagmerp: yes I do

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wagnerrp:

'cat /dev/video0 > testfile'

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wagnerrp:

wait a couple seconds, hit ctrl-c

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wagnerrp:

does that file have data in it?

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Powderking:

Hmm, cat gives me: "cat: /dev/video0: Input/output error"

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wagnerrp:

what version kernel are you running?

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Powderking:

wagmerp: 2.6.28-15-generic

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wagnerrp:

there's some comment on the wiki that blackbird (encoder chip) support was added in 2.6.29

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wagnerrp:

but neither the pages on the mythtv wiki or the linuxtv wiki have been updated recently

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wagnerrp:

you might want to try a more modern kernel, or unload all v4l/dvb modules from your current kernel and use the v4l-dvb-hg repository directly

[15:50:03]

wagnerrp:

if you can at all avoid it, you do not want to be using a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

and the process you describe above is bypassing the encoder chip and using it as a framegrabber

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Powderking:

wagmerp: ok, thanks alot. I think I'll try to get a newer kernel version. But first I'll test that with the repsitory, I think I read something about updating v4l...

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nighthawk:

yay, svn back up

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Powderking:

what do you mean?

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wagnerrp:

the mythtv svn/trac server was down for about two hours

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wagnerrp:

it is back up now

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wagnerrp:

nothing to do with v4l or linuxtv/org

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Powderking:

oh, ok :) But then I don't how I can unload the modules and use the other ones directly.

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wagnerrp:

lsmod lists currently loaded modules

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wagnerrp:

rmmod and modprobe unload and load, respectively

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wagnerrp:

you can probably find some step-by-step howto for running mercurial v4l on an ubuntu wiki somewhere

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Powderking:

Sorry for my stupid questions... Is mercurial v4l the repository you mentioned?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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wagnerrp:

v4l-dvb-hg

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Powderking:

Ok, then I think I can imagine what to do. I'll give it a try. Thanks for your help!

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Guest87791:

hi, I get an Error like this: "Programmer Error failed to handle tune complete" is this a problem relevant for devs, or did I miss to type something in?

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Guest87791:

I try to get a s2api dvb-s2 card (skystar hd2) running, but it looks like mythtv cannot connect to it even though I installed the liblianin drivers. this is what I get on the terminal: http://pastebin.com/d19b1c01f

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sphery:

Guest87791: are you using /current/ trunk MythTV?

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Guest87791:

yes

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Guest87791:

downloaded today via svn

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sphery:

after the null, did it segfault?

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sphery:

or crash or lock up?

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sphery:

if so, a ticket with a proper backtrace would be useful: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging

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juski:

sigh. couldn't save the deleted stuff. that'll teach me for ever trying

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Guest87791:

lock up ( I could see the scan window and exited it with Esc, then I couldnt navigate anymore)

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sphery:

yeah, that would be work a ticket... please get a backtrace as described on that page... You'll have to hit Ctrl-C when it locks to get back to gdb to get the backtrace

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sphery:

but otherwise, the instructions should have everything you need

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Guest87791:

I had another try with full scan (tuned) and get this back: http://pastebin.com/d27304e71 it seems like I have to choose a Diseqc device, when I look it up I only see (unconnected) in the Capture Card setup, is this a status message, or can I change it somehow to LNB?

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juski:

thought you always had to define an LNB for a DVB-S card

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[Peter]_:

it won't work otherwise, but mythtv-setup won't force you to

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[Peter]_:

Guest87791: just press enter on (unconnected) and you can select LBN

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[Peter]_:

LNB

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Guest87791:

pressing Enter makes the screen flicker, but nothing changes

[16:26:22]

Guest87791:

my bad I didnt select (unconnected)

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juski:

well, that's me off home

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Guest87791:

I typed too fast and selected switch, how can I delete it, and choose LNB instead?

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Dassu:

Is anybody here using mythstream with youtube parser ?

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sphery:

Guest87791: never done satellite stuff, but the idea is the D is delete everywhere in Myth, so in theory, select the thing to delete and hit D

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Guest87791:

worked perfectly! thanks a lot

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iamlindoro:

xris: Any word from kormoc?

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wagnerrp:

wow.... man tries to use wheelchair to steal steaks from supermarket

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wagnerrp:

man proceeded to use 'long fingernails' as a weapon to fight police while resisting arrest

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: speed of the devil

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wagnerrp:

s/speed/speak/

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: He lives!

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sphery:

how we missed him

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: ever had anydvd fail on an HDDVD before?

[16:41:11]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Hmm... no, not that I can recall

[16:41:23]

iamlindoro:

well, aside from when my first HD-DVD drive started to die

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sphery:

you've already had an HD-DVD drive fail

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sphery:

that's quick

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iamlindoro:

the xbox-360 one became flaky-- the LG Bluray/HD-DVD combo has been solid

[16:42:07]

iamlindoro:

didn't wait for the 360 one to fail outright

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sphery:

ah, explains a lot

[16:43:58]

sphery:

I sent in a 360 controller because it wouldn't work with a 360 wireless headset. They sent a new one that worked with the headset, but the batteries fall out. Since I had to pay shipping ($8), I rigged up a wedge out of paper to keep it in. 360 hardware quality isn't necessarily at a level I'd like to see (and don't forget about the consoles themselves :).

[16:44:19]

jya:

iamlindoro: I've packaged your Graphite theme for ubuntu (as well as all the themes located in the themes directory)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: apparently the warner hddvd/dvd combo disks are 'flakey'

[16:44:57]

iamlindoro:

jya: Cool (suspect the mythbuntu folks will do the same w/ their .22 packages)

[16:45:08]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Ah, think I only have 1 or 2 of those

[16:45:21]

jya:

they never packaged the themes directory ; only the myththemes one for some reasons

[16:45:22]

sphery:

jya: So you have trunk packages, too, now? Are the Ubuntu 9.04 and below trunk packages still the pre-Qt4 trunk? If so, it's great that you have some updated ones.

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wagnerrp:

well if nothing else, i can always red2blu it

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jya:

sphery: I've just finished building them for my own use, haven't advertised anything yet... I've set it to build daily, because the mythbuntu weekly are 9 days old already

[16:46:43]

sphery:

so mythbuntu does have some post-Qt4 ones, now? I haven't kept up

[16:47:17]

sphery:

I just remembered some mythbuntu users stuck at trunk just before the qt4 switch for a while

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jya:

it's a 212xx build

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

I hope we see some people testing things out during the feature freeze

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jya:

sphery: what do you mean with post-qt4? didn't the qt4 switch occured many moons ago ?

[16:48:32]

sphery:

would be nice to have a mostly-smooth release this time (0.21 and 0.20 were both pretty broken on release)

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iamlindoro:

jya: Their trunk builds were "stalled" at that point for a long time... think they got trunk weeklies working again a month or two ago

[16:48:49]

jya:

I've written a bit of text on how to upgrade from 0.21 to trunk ... will put it on the wiki

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sphery:

iamlindoro: thanks for translating... I wasn't describing it very well.

[16:49:40]

sphery:

It's one of those days--my words are failing me.

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jya:

iamlindoro: with Graphite, is there a way in recordings once your a few pages down in recording to switch directly to one of the top tab (Watchlist, title etc..)

[16:54:16]

iamlindoro:

jya: Tab should do it, I believe

[16:54:41]

jya:

hum.. need to map that to me remote. why don't they make remotes with 200 buttons ? :)

[16:54:59]

sphery:

or the jumppoint for watch recordings would work, too :)

[16:55:00]

janneg:

esq + return

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jya:

on a whim, is there a function say you're on a recording and you want to go to the list of all the recordings of that series/title

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Gav8in:

Does anyone have advice re the advisability of running trunk at home?

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Guest87791:

Channel scanning works so far!!!! thanks to all of you!

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iamlindoro:

jya: don't think so currently

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jya:

like here I see a recording of Top Gear, I know I've missed a few. I don't want to go down and down many pages to find them

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sphery:

Gav8in: In general, it's probably not a good idea. Right now, however, we're trying to get people to test trunk to work out all the issues before the release. So, if you're willing to deal with any issues that arise (and keep up with the dev/commits list so you're not reporting a bunch of known/already reported/duplicate issues), using trunk from now until the 0.22 release probably isn't a bad thing.

[16:57:30]

jya:

The "Video Tree remembers last selected position" doesn't work here...

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sphery:

deal with issues includes living with the fact that you may miss recordings or whatever

[16:58:16]

jya:

the backend has been rock solid for me...

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Gav8in:

sphery, okie dokie. You might even get a patch or two out of me.

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Gav8in:

after lurking, and sharing my inanities for the last week, i'm actually installing myth tonight.

[16:58:51]

sphery:

Gav8in: that's cool... don't give us too many, though, or we'll start to expect more ;)

[16:59:29]

Gav8in:

don't worry, i don't dislike C, but lately I do too much of it at work, so unless you port to common lisp i prolly won't be too prolific

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wagnerrp:

you could always write up some Lisp bindings

[17:01:35]

chris__:

Is there any known issues with lirc and delays when using the internal player on 21? I have a problem where it will not respond for 30 sec, but not all the time

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sphery:

Gav8in: oh, and as for switching production trunk to production 0.22-fixes, it will be as easy as: make distclean && svn switch http://svn.mythtv.org/svn/branches/release-0-22-fixes/ && rm mythtv/version.pro && svn revert mythtv/version.pro

[17:03:12]

sphery:

once 0.22-fixes exists, that is :)

[17:03:21]

wagnerrp:

so long as you have a copy of trunk from before the branch

[17:03:55]

wagnerrp:

although doing so afterward shouldnt be a problem if there havent yet been schema changes

[17:03:56]

sphery:

right... if he's installing trunk, now...

[17:04:28]

sphery:

actually, you can do an svn switch from new to old, too... it just unmerges changesets

[17:04:36]

** iamlindoro bets $5 we see at least one more schema/proto change by end of day :) **

[17:04:38]

sphery:

pretty sure that's how I did mine

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wagnerrp:

sphery: yeah, but mythtv isnt going to revert schema

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sphery:

right... so you need to switch when 0.22-fixes is created and don't want to update your install after post-0.22 changes go in

[17:05:49]

sphery:

chris__: what video card?

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wagnerrp:

im debating whether to stick on with trunk, or to move to fixes

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chris__:

Nvidia 8400gs

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juski:

well, almost got my last diff back. the analogue clock doesn't work but the gl rotate does

[17:07:05]

wagnerrp:

certainly trunk from 0.22 to 0.23 wont be nearly as turbulent as from 0.21 to 0.22

[17:07:10]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I have found -fixes to be /very/ nice... Just throw trunk on some other dev box

[17:07:16]

juski:

screw the politics.

[17:07:17]

chris__:

using ms phillips and usb receiver

[17:07:30]

sphery:

and enjoy stability/robustness for production and still be able to dev

[17:07:42]

jya:

wagnerrp: I've moved to trunk last week-end. it's rather stable (once it starts). There are weird issues when a video starts, but gbee is aware of those

[17:08:02]

jya:

far more usable that it was just a few weeks ago when I last attempted to switch everything

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sphery:

chris__: Do you have the nvidia option UseEvents enabled?

[17:08:12]

juski:

at the rate I've been rebuilding stuff lately I wouldn't dream of running trunk on my production system :P

[17:08:15]

wagnerrp:

sphery: honestly, the only time ive failed a recording since switching back in late november was when my cableco cycled digital channels

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sphery:

chris__: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_HDTV#NVIDIA

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chris__:

sphery I don't believe I do

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jya:

sphery: careful with UseEvents, it's currently broken with 190.xx drivers

[17:09:06]

sphery:

wagnerrp: yeah, it's not so much the failed recordings as the constantly reconfiguring/worrying about whether the update you did might cause problems.

[17:09:15]

jya:

it will hang your box for a few seconds very often

[17:09:25]

wagnerrp:

are the 190.xx drivers actually released yet? or are they still beta?

[17:09:41]

jya:

still in beta, but they work much better than 185.xx

[17:09:51]

jya:

can't believe they dare to call 185.xx "stable"

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sphery:

jya: if that's the case, he'll need to use working drivers since 0.21-fixes requires that setting for proper performance with nvidia

[17:09:59]

Guest87791:

when I try to watch tv I get this message in the terminal and it stops: http://pastebin.com/d593e1f7 I think this line indicates the problem: EntryToProgram(0@Do. Jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo as it is discussed in several forum, but I could not find a tipp how to solve it, someone said I should change the pci slot for my dvb card, is this a good idea or should I try something different?

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chris__:

sphery: I didn't even know about that even after all the google's. Thanks

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jya:

UseEvents isn't required with vDPAU, only when using Xv

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sphery:

Guest87791: mythtv is /not/ the name of the binary you want to run

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sphery:

Guest87791: you want mythfrontend

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chris__:

jya: I'm using xv. Haven't had the courage to throw .22 on the wife until I get it some what stable for a bit ;)

[17:12:13]

kormoc:

Mornin' sphery, iamlindoro

[17:12:27]

sphery:

morning, kormoc ... nice to have you back

[17:12:34]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Began to worry ;)

[17:12:52]

kormoc:

Heh, just some food poisoning

[17:12:54]

jya:

chris__: well, I have my answer to that one , but I won't mention it here :)

[17:13:01]

nighthawk:

#linux

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kormoc:

didn't want to move, just slept and slept and slept

[17:13:11]

nighthawk:

oops

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Guest87791:

sphery mythfronted works good except for Live TV, I choose to run mythtv to get more live tv specific information, if that really helped, I dont know but the problem is the same

[17:13:23]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: you dont have to worry until his Steam collection stops growing

[17:13:25]

sphery:

kormoc: Ate a poisoned apple? At least the prince found you quickly.

[17:13:46]

chris__:

jya I think I know it

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sphery:

Guest87791: how about a mythfrontend log, then

[17:14:15]

kormoc:

sphery, heh, nah, shrimp. Neighbor lady dropped off some seafood salid crap and made me take a bite before she'd leave, and a few hours later...

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juski:

sue :D

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: you should have shriveled up on her front porch, and started vomiting on her door

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sphery:

Wow... Pretty bad when your neighbors try to poison you. Perhaps it's all those late-night MythWeb coding parties.

[17:15:23]

iamlindoro:

vodka and bacon parties, you mean

[17:15:45]

Shadow__X:

do vodka and bacon complement each other?

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sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, aye

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juski:

only if the vodka is kosher

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Guest87791:

sphery here is one: http://pastebin.com/dabfa85c I exited mythfrontend with Esc after I pushed the Live TV button and waited until I was back at the main menu.

[17:16:58]

sphery:

Guest87791: can I now see the associated mythbackend log file?

[17:17:09]

juski:

heh my 'friendly' local computer parts supplier has gone under

[17:17:13]

sphery:

(i.e. the one with the timer period covering your attempted use of LiveTV)

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Guest87791:

oh I thought that was what you are looking for, where can I find it?

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chris__:

sphery: I did a ssh into the box is there away to find out what version of nvidia I'm using from a command line?

[17:17:59]

sphery:

Guest87791: I did want to see the mythfrontend log, first. Now looking for mythbackend log. Probably somewhere in /var/log , I'd guess

[17:19:20]

sphery:

chris__: grep 'NVIDIA.*driver' /var/log/Xorg.0.log

[17:19:40]

wagnerrp:

seems i do have a bad disk... so now how do i go about getting it replaced...

[17:19:41]

sphery:

(or if that doesn't hit with your version, just open and peruse the X log file)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: media or drive?

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wagnerrp:

hddvd

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chris__:

sphery thanks for the help

[17:22:03]

wagnerrp:

from the warnervideo.com exchange policy...

[17:22:34]

wagnerrp:

'we cannot accept returns on boxers, briefs, or other undergarments due to state regulations'

[17:22:39]

wagnerrp:

they sell underwear?

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sphery:

who else would sell bugs bunny boxers?

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Guest87791:

sphery the first is the backend: http://pastebin.com/d6a821752 this one is the frontend: http://pastebin.com/d2ec883ce

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Gav8in:

disney has underwear too. i had silk mickey mouse boxers for years. a girlfriend gave 'em to me.

[17:23:51]

juski:

nice.

[17:24:02]

Gav8in:

not so machine washable though, so frustrating.

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sphery:

Guest87791: 2009-08–24 18:55:24.364 SG(Default) Error: Group 'Default' wants to use directory '/media/daten/TV/Aufnahmen/', but this directory is not writeable

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Guest87791:

thx

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juski:

for 0.22 maybe just remove all those plain english error messages

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chris__:

my version is 180.44 is that ok to use with use events

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iamlindoro:

juski: Just randomize which translation you get, hours of fun

[17:26:54]

juski:

well, waving bye bye to the windows install on my old desktop machine. Hello new dev box

[17:27:31]

juski:

copied my newly recovered diff to my crappy webspace so I might think twice next time. Maybe

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sphery:

Guest87791: also looks like you're having some DVB-S2 problems. It may be related to version of drivers or something... Please read the relevent threads on the lists and if you're pretty sure it should work, you may want to file a ticket. (You can shorten your search by mainly paying attention to DVB-S2 posts from Janne: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . ;list=mythtv )

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CoreDump|cf-18:

when in EPG mode, I can bring up a window w/ detailed informations about the selected show with the "U" key. Is there something similar for liveTV?

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sphery:

Guest87791: "pretty sure it should work" meaning with your configuration and versions of DVB-S2 support... I was thinking he mentioned something about not needing Liplilian (sp?) anymore.

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Guest87791:

sphery thanks, I will have a look at it, I get this error message now too: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/372897 maybe because the PC is not powerful enough

[17:31:02]

juski:

CoreDump|cf-18: INFO IIRC

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sphery:

CoreDump|cf-18: nope, only in the GUI (not in the OSD)

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sphery:

(for recording details, that is--INFO gives you the "short" information)

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jduggan:

2.0ghz core2duo(without vdpau).. is it likely to struggle with bbc HD? i played some samples in mplayer some months ago, but now i actual have a broadcast feed via dvb-s its struggling :)

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jduggan:

oh, the mplayer samples were fine maybe 4months ago

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wagnerrp:

apparently BBC is dropping their bitrate

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jduggan:

but .21-fixes is struggling

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wagnerrp:

the 20+Mbps stuff was only during a trial

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jduggan:

i appreciate 2.0ghz could well be the issue, just wanted some further advice/opinions

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sphery:

jduggan: 2.6GHz Core 2 Duo is generally the recommended minimal CPU for high-def/high-bitrate H.264

[17:33:36]

janneg:

Guest87791: which DVB-S2 card? is the program HD suisse?

[17:33:40]

CoreDump|cf-18:

juski: sphery thanks

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sphery:

(though, IMHO, if you go with the minimal, you're crazy)

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nighthawk:

anyone good with bash? I want to batch rename files replacing EP# with s01e#

[17:34:24]

jduggan:

sphery: sure, a new frontend i'll totally overspec, this is an older frontend which i'd hoped might just be able to play :)

[17:34:50]

wagnerrp:

well you can always pick up a new chip, or overclock a bit

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Guest87791:

janneg the card is a skystar hd2 and I tried to watch astra sdt

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jduggan:

wagnerrp: ive considered a new chip, we have a few quads laying about @ work that will fit just fine :)

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sphery:

nighthawk: http://tips.webdesign10.com/how-to-bulk-renam . . . the-terminal

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jduggan:

so i wouldnt even pay :)

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sphery:

nighthawk: i.e. use a wheel that someone else invented :)

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janneg:

jduggan: c2d 2ghz is most likely not enough, at least for high-motion high bitrate parts

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Guest87791:

janneg if this is a problem that may come up due to an insufficient PC I have to say that this PC is not capable of HD, but a client is, though I wanted to have a try with the server first

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nighthawk:

ah, thx sphery

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wagnerrp:

a quad anything should handle anything you throw at it

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sphery:

jduggan: you're better off with a high-freq dual-core than a lower-freq quad

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wagnerrp:

besides perhaps HDPVR stuff

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iamlindoro:

Jamu handles filename renaming

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iamlindoro:

(also)

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jduggan:

sphery: the quads are 2.6, i appreciate cores dont neccesarily improve playback

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sphery:

jamu being a wheel with a rubber tire?

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jduggan:

given multithreadin suckyness

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iamlindoro:

and shocks!

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sphery:

not struts

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wagnerrp:

multithreaded playback works just fine with sliced h264

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sphery:

jduggan: though the quad would likely be good in the future

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sphery:

wagnerrp: even with our current libav*?

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i assume so

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CoreDump|cf-18:

also the 2.6 overclock nicely =) mine ran with 3.4GHz for quite some time

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janneg:

Guest87791: SG(Default) Error: Group 'Default' wants to use directory '/media/daten/TV/Aufnahmen/', but this directory is not writeable

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janneg:

this is probably your problem

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Guest87791:

janneg I solved that

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wagnerrp:

i mean sliced h264 playback has been in ffmpeg for a couple years now

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jduggan:

CoreDump|cf-18: 'quite some time'.. sounds ominous... did it 'stop' working?

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jduggan:

:)

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Guest87791:

janneg shall I send a new log?

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janneg:

yes

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janneg:

wagnerrp: the only problem is that single sliced frames are broadcasted

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wagnerrp:

janneg: oh? well thats retarded

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CoreDump|cf-18:

jduggan: no, when I stopped compiling software daily, I clocked it back to 2.4 as I had no need for the overclocking any more.

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wagnerrp:

can you even get a stock processor fast enough to do that high bitrate single threaded?

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Guest87791:

janneg here it is: http://pastebin.com/d32744535

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sphery:

wagnerrp: security through ridiculous processor requirements?

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wagnerrp:

maybe some of the i7 stuff where it shuts off the unused cores and cranks up the frequency

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juski:

jduggan: they might have reduced the bitrate but they possibly increased the encoding complexity

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janneg:

wagnerrp: 3ghz phenom 2 is fine

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sphery:

and keeps you warm at night

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sphery:

(not knocking amd, specifically, just wishing I could get nice low-power, high-throughput CPU's)

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jduggan:

juski: the reason i asked the question, i recall gbee's last frontend was a project to show you can build a HD capable fe on a budget, which IIRC was a 2.0ghz amd

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jduggan:

so i was just wondering if there were some knobs i can tweak to help improve

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janneg:

Guest87791: please add channel to mythbackend's verbose options

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juski:

yeah. my frontend can play an old BBC HD sample if I disable deinterlacing & it's a 1.66 Ghz C2D IIRC

[17:45:00]

Dagmar:

juski: Do your remember a few days ago, the discussion of insanely bad autogenerated HTML...

[17:45:08]

nighthawk:

sphery: that link depends on a debian perl rename, but it had a link to the script so I added it to /bin

[17:45:11]

Dagmar:

I think someone found an explanation for it http://www.b3ta.com/links/Fujitsu_care_deeply . . . f_their_code

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nighthawk:

worked great!

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Guest87791:

janneg how can I do this? "mythbackend -v channel restart"?

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juski:

Dagmar: no, but I've been railing against 'plugins' which mangle xml menus forever

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janneg:

Guest87791: mythbackend --setverbose channel

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sphery:

nighthawk: I don't have debian and I use that perl rename: http://search.cpan.org/~pederst/rename-1.6/

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sphery:

nighthawk: so, think that page is wrong in calling it "Debian only"

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: now how much larger does that make the page than it needs to be

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Dagmar:

Considerably

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nighthawk:

more accurately, it is stated as being included by default only in debian based distros

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nighthawk:

I skipped that initially and was wondering why the heck it wasn't working

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sphery:

ah

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sphery:

Yeah, it's not included by default in my distro, either... I chose to install it myself.

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wagnerrp:

considering all of those mountains are worthless nested font tags

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nighthawk:

one of the times where it was necessary to read all the instructions

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nighthawk:

instead of skim

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wagnerrp:

i mean thats like 10% of the code in that page is actually functional

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nighthawk:

wagnerrp, woah, that is one of the more insane things I've seen lately

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nighthawk:

who the hell would format their code to match a landscape? I now have the answer

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wagnerrp:

the japanese?

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nighthawk:

at least fujitsu employees

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nighthawk:

better not buy their gear just in case it is a directive from senior management

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wagnerrp:

looks like Intel expects Moore's Law to hold up at least until the early 2020s

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nighthawk:

what is Kurzweil's date?

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nighthawk:

a technologist spoke last year @ my company, I think he was a senior researcher at IBM... he mentioned how there was going to be a direct corelation between the fab capacity buildout of the last several years and the amount of integration of embedded processors in everything

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sphery:

nighthawk: best guess http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Kurzweil . . . rity_is_Near

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Guest87791:

janneg this is the log with setverbose channel: http://pastebin.com/d4d9558f4

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nighthawk:

e.g. intel has a ton of capacity, so expect them to push for an intel chip in everything

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sphery:

(didn't see context)

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nighthawk:

I think I have a second cousin that works for Kurzweil music

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wagnerrp:

nighthawk: intel builds a new fab, uses it for a few years, and then sells it off because they have no want for circuitry that large any longer

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wagnerrp:

so their capacity doesnt really increase

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nighthawk:

wagnerrp, I don't recall the details of the presentation, but there was something about general buildup of whatever nm fabs in taiwan

[18:03:09]

nighthawk:

and intel was part of it because they had a very large capacity at a specific process size that they were looking to leverage

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nighthawk:

I think it may have been John M Kamensky

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wagnerrp:

well they have a lot of capacity at 65nm that they will probably be looking to sell off in the next year or so, as they move to 45nm and 32nm

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nighthawk:

the general idea was supply volume had increased, with effects rivaling just those of moore's law

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janneg:

Guest87791: have you rescanned after DVB-S2 support went in?

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Guest87791:

I installed mythtv trunk via svn and then scanned succesfully for the first time ever, I have no other card then the skystar hd2

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nighthawk:

actually it may have been Paul Horn, I'll have to check when I get back to the office

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nighthawk:

it was a nice break from the typical marketing bs about "cloud computing"

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nighthawk:

damn, jamu created duplicates in one of my folders, wtf

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janneg:

Guest87791: that has happened after the last line in the log? it seemed to work fine

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nighthawk:

is the delete cmd in mythvideo only for the db or actual file?

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iamlindoro:

both

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nighthawk:

iamlindoro, is there a good strategy to remove duplicate mythvideo file entries in a given dir?

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iamlindoro:

move the file, rescan, move it back, rescan

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iamlindoro:

with the obvious "leave mythvideo and count to five" after each rescan

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Guest37704:

janneg my pc just restarted, without a reason, did you write anything?

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Dagmar:

Right... all of you print this and put it on your wall right now before asking another question

[18:15:34]

Dagmar:

http://www.xkcd.org/627/

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sphery:

08.24 14:09:47 <+janneg> Guest87791: that has happened after the last line in the log? it seemed to work fine

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: you actually WANT people to mindlessly click on buttons?

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** kormoc wonders if it's a good idea to take bug reports seriously from people who have computers that reboot for no reason randomly... **

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: It beats having them come in here saying "It doesn't work" after typing 'apt-get install mythtv-ubuntu` and expecting TV to appear

[18:17:46]

elkin:

hi, I am getting a compile error with current trunk on mythbuntu: In file included from recordinglist.cpp recordinginfo.h:23: Fehler: expected class-name before »{« token

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elkin:

does someone know what is missing?

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Guest37704:

janneg the screen got black and I was back at the main menu

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: that tends to happen to people who long into IRC with the username 'administrator'

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wagnerrp:

s/long/log/

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wagnerrp:

HALP MY CURSOR IS MOVING ON ITS OWN!!!

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Dagmar:

elkin: The knowledge that trunk isn't guaranteed to build and that if you have to ask that question you shouldn't be running trunk.

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wagnerrp:

if youre compiling trunk, you probably shouldnt be running mythbuntu

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elkin:

dagmar: thanks, but if one does not ask one does not learn

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wagnerrp:

i imagine their wrapper stuff doesnt play too nicely with custom built code

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elkin:

wagnerrp: why not, I have been running trunk from their packages for ages

[18:22:28]

janneg:

elkin: is it fixed by http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1541825

[18:22:34]

Dagmar:

elkin: If one does not READ one does not learn

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Guest37704:

janneg after the reboot, I started live TV again, choose a channel and wasnt kicked back to main menu again, but only see a black screen. Here are terminal and log infos: http://pastebin.com/d78cf37ef maybe this means it works but the PC isnt fast enough and has to drop all frames?

[18:23:18]

Gav8in:

Has anyone ever looked into getting TV Guide On Screen data into Myth?

[18:23:34]

elkin:

janneg: thanks!

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wagnerrp:

Gav8in: you mean that analog channel cablecos have that broadcasts listing data?

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sphery:

Gav8in: you mean the garbage that's broadcast encrypted in the US and available in TV's with the big TV Guide logo on their remotes?

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Gav8in:

wagnerpp, it's also done digitally, it's a proprietary format sent either on analog channels (with XML menus, jpgs of actors, etc..., lots of metadata like which actor(s) are hot/not)

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sphery:

Gav8in: if so, the rewording of the name should suggest the answer

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Gav8in:

sphery: ah, i didn't know it was encrypted. the only reverse engineering i'd read on it found the jpegs in plaintext

[18:25:26]

sphery:

Gav8in: yeah, we're not allowed to use that--not licensed

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sphery:

won't happen

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sphery:

even if not encrypted, it's copyrighted data protected by licensing and its implementation probably qualifies under the DMCA's "technological protection measures"

[18:26:46]

Gav8in:

i didn't know if it was improper to read that data without a license; i didn't believe TV listings were very copyrightable, but I am not a lawyer.

[18:26:56]

sphery:

Gav8in: on the bright side, we get better quality information from Schedules Direct :)

[18:27:01]

Gav8in:

and yeah, i share your fear of techonological protection measures

[18:27:10]

Gav8in:

yeah, i should stop worrying about solved problems. sorry.

[18:27:31]

sphery:

though the factual information cannot be copyrighted, the summary descriptions, etc., can

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sphery:

and, TTBOMK (IANAL), the compilation of factual information can

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elkin:

Dagmar: what did I miss... where should I have read?

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Gav8in:

your memory is comporting with mine, but the compilation issue has an asterisk in my memory

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sphery:

Gav8in: yeah, may not qualify, here, but I know the descriptions do (which is why you'll generally see 2 different descriptions for the same episodes, depending on source of data--TMS's description vs TV Guide/Gemstar's description)

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nighthawk:

does the graphite author frequent this channel?

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Dagmar:

elkin: Oh the warnings that trunk is not for normal users, the warnings that development trees are unstable at best... literally everything that wasn't hte parts saying "CLICK HEER 4 SOURCES"

[18:30:58]

Gav8in:

sphery, i think some good reading on database might be Feist Publications vs Rural Telephone Service

[18:31:04]

Dagmar:

nighthawk: He does

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Guest37704:

what command do I need to change the database name and password? I remember there was a command, that made a gui pop up

[18:31:18]

Gav8in:

but yeah, schedulesdirect.

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Dagmar:

Guest37704: There is no such thing in MythTV. Try $Mythbuntu

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nighthawk:

Dagmar, what's his usual nick?

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janneg:

elkin: fixed?

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Dagmar:

nighthawk: Considering the nature of theme requests that don't involve enough work to look for an email address, I'm not saying

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nighthawk:

btw, realized why your name was familiar, neighbor girls mother growing up was named Dagmar, she was from .de

[18:32:55]

Dagmar:

I know what kind of noise he's getting from the "usual" channels abon that

[18:33:05]

Dagmar:

He'd be mad if I told on him

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elkin:

Dagmar: well thanks for that lecture, not a new one though. I am not new to mythtv nor am I new to compiling from source.

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nighthawk:

Dagmar, understandable ;-)

[18:33:21]

Dagmar:

slkin: So you're just thick?

[18:33:41]

elkin:

Dagmar: whats your problem??

[18:33:46]

Dagmar:

What's your problem?

[18:34:00]

Dagmar:

I'm pretty sure that "thanks for that lecture" wasn't sincere.

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Guest37704:

Dagmar I see, but there is probably a file, that stores those informations, right?

[18:35:05]

elkin:

Dagmar: I ask a question, you give me an answer, I thank and you go on a rant? maybe I am missing something here

[18:37:18]

Dagmar:

elkin: Like I said, I'm pretty sure that "thanks for that lacture" wasn't sincere.

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elkin:

janneg: no patch applies perfect, but the error is still the same

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Dagmar:

...so don't whine that I called you out on it.

[18:38:50]

Dagmar:

Guest37704: There is, but it's mainly a mysql-space problem. There's stuff in the mysql docs that explains how to somewhat easily reset mysql passwords, it just requires a bit of drilling down to actaully _get_ to it

[18:38:54]

nighthawk:

Dagmar: is your name gender neutral in german?

[18:39:11]

Dagmar:

MySQL technical writers have this thing against allowing any Google hit to go directly to anything

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Dagmar:

nighthawk: Perhaps if it were German

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nighthawk:

is it not or you are not?

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Guest37704:

its female in german

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Dagmar:

Guest37704: I'm guessing if you hit up Google with "reset mysql password ubuntu" you'll find what you need in the first three hits

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Gav8in:

wait, Dagmar is a dude?

[18:40:24]

nighthawk:

Guest37704, thx ;) was curious

[18:40:24]

Dagmar:

That's what the penis says.

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wagnerrp:

it talks?

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nighthawk:

so your name/nick is taken from some other source?

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juski:

jees what's in a nick?

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nighthawk:

juski, whatever one wants, of course

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Gav8in:

If some German guy logged on named "Candi", he'd confuse people too, that's all.

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Gav8in:

and clearly, you can't irc with someone without first assigning a gender!

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janneg:

nighthawk: no Dagmar is female name in german

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nighthawk:

hah, didn't know that one, interesting

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wagnerrp:

Gav8in: why not?

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Gav8in:

oh, hrm.

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Dagmar:

Well, seeing as how my grasp of German is limiated to things which are either unsuitable for mixed company or strongy anti-semitic, it's probably a safe bet I'm not German

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Dagmar:

It was also the name of the ruling family in Bavaria around 1111. There's no connection there either.

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nighthawk:

I was just curious about the name, like I said I had a neighbor with it growing up, wondered if it was like "chris" or "sam"

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Dagmar:

Nah, it's just a pair of syllables

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Dagmar:

Pair it with "d'Surreal" and it actually becomes feasible for people to actually find me on the internet

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nighthawk:

not giving up any secrets today huh? or just totally made up?

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Dagmar:

...as opposed to trying to search for "Steve Smith"

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Dagmar:

Dude there's video of me giving lectures floating around

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Dagmar:

There's no "secret" to it

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Dagmar:

It's the name I go by.

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nighthawk:

no, I meant the origin

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juski:

there's videos of me floating around somewhere too. not that I can do anything about them

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janneg:

elkin: sorry, that was my only shot

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Dagmar:

juski: The real question you should be asking is "Do these videos impress the ladies?"

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nighthawk:

if I am reading correctly, it is a psuedenym, so you chose it, just wonderd why, idle curiousity

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Dagmar:

Like I said, because it makes me _findable_

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elkin:

janneg: no problem will try in a few days again to see if it gets fixed. Thanks for the help!

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Dagmar:

You can punch it into a search engine and actually figure out how to reach me if you need to, and god help anyone who tries to snatch that for spamming

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nighthawk:

my question wasn't why you chose to adopt it, but why that particular word

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Dagmar:

Because I'm a weird guy

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Dagmar:

Dude I drive a scooter that makes orgasm noises when someone tampers with it, for one thing

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nighthawk:

hey, that's all the answer I need ;-)

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juski:

right I'll be disabling ubuntu's firefox modifications then :)

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Dagmar:

NO ONE looks the other way when it goes off.

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nighthawk:

I had an uncle who had a dog named "trotts" so i always assumed he named it after Trotsky, since he was pretty radical in his youth

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wagnerrp:

thats amazing

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nighthawk:

turns out that I asked and it was after some comicbook character

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Gav8in:

i'd have assumed it was an "endearing" behaviour he had as a puppy

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nighthawk:

Gav8in: nah, gotta go with the House MD method of environmental reasoning

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Gav8in:

he's lying?

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wagnerrp:

ooof... need to remember to put the '>' in the command when catting several GB of data

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juski:

oh crap. latest ubuntu only has qt4.4? ffs

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Dagmar:

whee

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nighthawk:

lol, perhaps

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sphery:

juski: 4.5 only really brings the plugin support

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Were you working over ssh at the time?

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sphery:

though if that's what you're looking for... :)

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juski:

sphery: I need it all if I'm to do anything of worth

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juski:

this ain't a 'run mythtv' system

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sphery:

ahh

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juski:

;-)

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juski:

decided to try & bury the conflict I discovered today. TBH I dunno why I even give a damn about who gets commit access

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juski:

ooo pulseaudio. that can go take a frickin walk

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: no, windows/cygwin

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wagnerrp:

it doesnt handle it so well either

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wagnerrp:

and ctrl-c is not responsive

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wagnerrp:

you have to open up task manager and kill the process

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Dagmar:

ouch

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juski:

man, I've missed using a computer with a *real* monitor

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wagnerrp:

juski: would that be one weighing more than 40lbs, and more than a couple inches thick?

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Dagmar:

Not to mention the superior pastry-warming capability

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juski:

no, just something better than the 15.4" thing my laptop has

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wagnerrp:

i love the 15" on my laptop

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wagnerrp:

highest resolution screen i have

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chris__:

How about 8.9" :0

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sebrock:

I wonder why nuvexport can't name my xvids correct...

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laga:

because you can't use adverbs correct

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** laga needs to STFU **

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Dagmar:

CORRECTLY

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Dagmar:

sheesh

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sebrock:

*ly

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sebrock:

packet loss

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kormoc:

that's a very tiny packet there

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Dagmar:

Now now... What have we said about making things up in front of people who predate internet pornography...

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wagnerrp:

oh come on... people had to be throwing pixelated covergirls around ARPANET

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Dagmar:

Oh yes. It's always good to do questionable things on a network whose owners shoot people.

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Dagmar:

...and not just individuals... whole groups of people.

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wagnerrp:

the same people that hire troops that smoke their hemp ropes

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wagnerrp:

drink their aftershave because it has alcohol

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Gav8in:

Wait. Stanford shoots people?

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kormoc:

yeah?

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Dagmar:

DoD does

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Dagmar:

Stanford just puts people in cages and experiments on them.

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kormoc:

At least the dude had the courage to tell all the ladies about his tiny packet size, so they can avoid the throughput disappointment

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wagnerrp:

kormoc: well you know.... those ATM guys have very small packets, but they move really fast

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sebrock:

aw man thats not one byte fair

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CoreDump|cf-18:

I'm having problems getting a lock with my hvr-1300 with recent kernels. Sometimes it works, sometimes the card stops locking after mythtv sits idle in the main menu for some time.

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CoreDump|cf-18:

sometimes I have no problems at all until i reboot

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juski:

heh according to my desktop manager, my machine is plugged into the mains.

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juski:

CoreDump|cf-18: maybe it's being put to sleep by some power management doozy & isn't waking up properly

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juski:

although if you've not enabled 'use dvb devices on demand' in mythtv-setup it shouldn't be that

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CoreDump|cf-18:

well, now that you mention it

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CoreDump|cf-18:

let me set the frontend to english and check...

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juski:

I thought I just said mythtv-setup

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CoreDump|cf-18:

look at that. the english explanation of that options makes more sense

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CoreDump|cf-18:

the setup language is configured via the frontend

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CoreDump|cf-18:

=)

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CoreDump|cf-18:

nope, no lock, showing (l__)

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sphery:

iamlindoro will be pleased to hear that framegrabbers are making a come back... It seems as users have PVR-x50/500's fail, rather than replacing them with PVR-x50/500's or HVR-1600's, many are choosing to use the framegrabbers in their digital cards... :(

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juski:

sphery: I for one wish them all the luck in the world with their SINGLE analogue tuner enterprise :D

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sphery:

yeah

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juski:

one tuner, one soundcard. Oh. Only one recording at a time. Whoops

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wagnerrp:

some framegrabbers have their own capture hardware

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juski:

wagnerrp: the number which do can be counted on the fingers we humans have

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juski:

one or two of them can even capture *stereo* audio!

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wagnerrp:

i thought the brooktree cards all had audio capture

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juski:

nope

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sphery:

juski: Yeah. Once I set up my all-digital system, I found that the quality of the old analog recordings (from DISH network STB->S-Video->PVR-x50, so about the best a PVR-x50 recording gets because of the perfectly clean signal) was so low it wasn't worth watching. Other than my "must-see" shows, I just deleted all my analog recordings without watching them. So, I would choose to do without rather than be stuck with the ...

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juski:

it's the saa71xx series which tend to have the audio stuff onboard

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sphery:

... analog capture after my transition.

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juski:

I found my pvr150 recordings over svideo to be very watchable

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wagnerrp:

well im hoping the 2250 gets analog drivers here in the next couple months

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juski:

but that was PAL :-)

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wagnerrp:

i expect to have to set up a system for my parents in that time frame

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wagnerrp:

and that would make a great single card

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juski:

so, one night lost to installing ubuntu again. ffs next time I think I'll just use slack

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sphery:

juski: mine were watchable until I started watching digital stuff that had never gone NTSC.

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juski:

by the time it's finished fannying around & you've sledgehammered it into sanity...

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sphery:

basically, my expectations changed

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juski:

then after rebooting I think I need to build qt4.5 myself. yay

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wagnerrp:

looks like i should go through and do a rewrite of the python bindings according to the coding standards

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laga:

juski: go use debian :P

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juski:

myers

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wagnerrp:

i didnt follow the 'no tabs', and '80 character' rules very closely

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juski:

has jaunty got qt 4.5?

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sphery:

wagnerrp: that would be a good thing

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** sphery hates tabs in source code **

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juski:

surprised if anything got committed for doing spacing naughties

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laga:

juski: packages.ubuntu.com

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** wagnerrp hates having to put a bunch of spaces **

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laga:

juski: packages.ubuntu.com/qt4

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wagnerrp:

but... VIM can be programmed for soft tabs easily enough

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sphery:

wagnerrp: smart editors can do it

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sphery:

yeah

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** juski cleans his bath with vim **

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sphery:

smart editors, vim, same diff :)

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tmkt:

spaces are better

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wagnerrp:

aside from taking more room (out of a limited 80 character width), why?

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juski:

doesn't matter which is better. sposed to follow the guidelines of the project

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laga:

haha

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juski:

tabs still take up space

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laga:

wagnerrp: i guess it's just another holy war

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Dagmar:

GEE HAD!

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laga:

i usually set my editors to make tabs as 2 or four spaces. it just takes less room

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wagnerrp:

juski: im saying tabs take 8, where spaces usually only use four

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wagnerrp:

im saying, aside from taking less room (with spaces), whats the difference

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wagnerrp:

i dont see why one would be any better or worse than the other

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sphery:

I hate tabs because editors allow users to specify tab width

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juski:

it's like the eternal #mythtv argument. People just refuse to accept it's the way things are & have done with it

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wagnerrp:

aside from not following the standard

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CoreDump|cf-18:

makes me want to kill people whenever I have to read code with less than 8 bloody spaces as tab

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juski:

screw logical, to hell with obvious or whatever.. it's by decree so swallow it ;)

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sphery:

and you /never/ have a source file where all code lines up perfectly using tabs--unless you set tab width to 1 (which, I think, can be considered a space for all practical purposes :)

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sphery:

so you get a combination of spaces and tabs that look different depending on tab width

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laga:

spaces & tabs mixed in python are fun

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sphery:

and when you have multiple coders with editors with different tab widths working on the code, you can't get properly-formatted code throughout the file

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juski:

gah, still only qt 4.3

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wagnerrp:

ok, now that makes sense

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sphery:

and since HDD space is so cheap...

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wagnerrp:

well yeah, if youre worried about the size of your source code, your probably not going to have enough space to compile it in

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juski:

guess I either update to Jaunty Jackaloff or build qt4.5 myself. Hrm

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sphery:

yeah, I don't know python, but I've heard it's picky about indentation... don't know how it deals with mixes, like you mentioned

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juski:

yeah but python makes it dead easy to do anything

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Dagmar:

juski: GOOD LORD MAN

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juski:

import BLINGY-3D-UI-tools

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Dagmar:

What ARE you people doing with those PSAs?

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juski:

PSAs?

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laga:

juski: if you reinstalled, why did you not just install a current release?

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juski:

laga: because I'm always reluctant to install the 'latest & greatest' ubuntu

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Dagmar:

juski: Yes the new anti texting-and-driving PSA you're airing over there

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wagnerrp:

seems mkvmerge on freebsd does not like EVOs

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juski:

Dagmar: that's old

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laga:

juski: same here. :)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: does it tolerate them on linux?

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wagnerrp:

checking...

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juski:

install, update, more update, disable all the crippling rubbish

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juski:

next time.. proper distro

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wagnerrp:

looks like i dont have it installed under linux

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laga:

meh. seems i can't defrag vfat from linux

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wagnerrp:

although theres not much use to doing it under linux, since the files are stored on my freebsd box

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wagnerrp:

i may as well just stick doing it on my desktop

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sphery:

laga: isn't it just a 2-step process involving the command mv (and possibly a mkfs in there, too)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, mmg is just hosed... it cant even open mkv files

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laga:

sphery: :)

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wagnerrp:

looks like im missing a dependency

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wagnerrp:

there we go.. now it works

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Gav8in:

wagnerrp: going back hours re common lisp bindings, yeah, lots of compilers play very nicely with C these days, but a lisp runtime is still required, it makes installing/packaging lisp applications sometimes annoying.

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wagnerrp:

you cant link lisp into C? i mean ive even written code that was a medley of fortran and C

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Gav8in:

oh, they link together very well, yeah

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Gav8in:

you can call both ways between them, it's easy to examine each other's datastructures, etc...

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Gav8in:

(a little hard looking at some lisp structures from C, but that's just the nature of C)

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Gav8in:

but even compiled lisp needs to be run inside of a compiler, basically

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Gav8in:

so i guess i'm just saying that packaging it for end users just means requiring they have a compiler. not so different ultimately from requiring a shared library like libQt, I guess

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wagnerrp:

so the 'compiler' is really more of a 'runtime interpreter'?

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Gav8in:

no, it's really compiled, it's just that the target isn't an elf executable, it's a core image that can be passed into a compiler at startup

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sphery:

or more like the dynamic compiler in most modern virtual-machine based platforms (like Java and .NET)

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sphery:

?

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Gav8in:

it's a lot like gcc turning foo.c into foo.o, say.

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Gav8in:

think of the compiler as being two thigns; it's a simultanious implementation of ld.so and of the compiler. so the second invocatin, the compiler loading a core is more like ld.so at program startup

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Gav8in:

it's just scribbling in core a bit to relocate things, running the garbage collector periodically

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kormoc:

it all depends on the lisp compiler too

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Gav8in:

yeah, it sure does. i was explaining wrt sbcl or cmucl, other compilers may be radically different

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juski:

time to douse this machine in petrol & give it the send-off ubuntu will deny it

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juski:

and then proceed to cross off Monday on every calendar in the house

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GuySoft:

thats odd.. in ffmpeg we found that the DVB-T stream in israel contains 3 audio streams

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** kormoc ponders who would bother doing lisp bindings anyway **

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Gav8in:

kormoc, noone. i made a joke about it earlier, and wagner asked why not do bindings, so i gave a serious answer

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kormoc:

ahh

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sphery:

guess that ends my dream of MythTV-based artificial intelligence

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CoreDump|cf-18:

the hvr-1300 thing appears to be a driver problem. Here's hoping they

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CoreDump|cf-18:

fix it eventually

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Gav8in:

sphery, i do sometimes think the recording scheduler can be phrased as an integer program, but it's unclear how that makes our life easier

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Gav8in:

though that's not AI either, really

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kormoc:

the recording scheduler makes heavy use of AutoIncrements already...

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Gav8in:

what is an AutoIncrement in this context?

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kormoc:

AI... AutoIncrement...

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Gav8in:

AHA!

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Gav8in:

heh

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sphery:

So if AI can sometimes be Artificial Intelligence and sometimes Auto Increment, could it also be both? Perhaps when it's both, we have the Singularity?

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kormoc:

isn't a Artifical Intelligent Auto Incrementing item known as a replicator (or borg, depending on universe preference)?

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sphery:

oh, yeah

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sphery:

that's true

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** Gav8in contemplates the IP formulation of the scheduler. **

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kormoc:

I think Artifical Intelligent Auto Incrementing Object is a better name, AIAIO (Old McDonald had a physics degree, AIAIO)

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sphery:

lol

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jduggan:

lol

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Gav8in:

first thought: each show is a free variable, either zero or one. each scheduler item is a set of constraints, don't record duplicates (showing1 + showing2 + showing3 < 2), and an associated priority: 100*(distinct recordings matching scheduler item), the objective is the sum of all scheduler item priorities.

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Gav8in:

second thought: for tuners with multiple subchannels, each group of such channels is a free variable for each period between show start/completion on each of the subchannels, rest of formulation holds as above.

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iamlindoro:

Suggesting changes to myth's scheduler is like a straw man juggling fire

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iamlindoro:

it always ends unhappily

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Gav8in:

yeah. gotya.

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wagnerrp:

that must be the kind of crazythought that comes from LISP developers

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wagnerrp:

i dont really know what you just said

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jduggan:

lol

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Gav8in:

the advantage the IP has is that it's provably optimal, if it's feasable, within your formulation.

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Gav8in:

i think though that you'd end up with tens of thousands of constraints; so the question is computational feasability

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Gav8in:

and yeah, not having read the scheduler code, i'm talking out of my ass. i'll look at it and perhaps share code before i say more.

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, the idea is to convert the logic to purely boolean, so if each show is a 1 and then you apply constraints to convert 1's to 0's, you can then end up with a discrete list of shows to record based on the end result. It's a tricky bit of mental hopping to grasp it, but the idea is once you convert everything into this style, you then can do a lot of logistical performance enhancements to make it more efficient

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Gav8in:

yeah, exactly; in theory, you'd be "perfect" at using the tuners.

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Gav8in:

(also: missing from the above, you need a set of constraints for each interstitial period of all show start/stop times restricting you to how many tuners you have)

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i_is_cat:

so i found the section in mythweb that shows my videos, not the recordings, i clicked on it and it said that it couldnt create the symlink so i went to /var/www/htdocs/mythweb/data and checked it out and made a symlink then i went back to mythweb and refreshed the page and now it shows 2311 videos

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i_is_cat:

but when i click on any one of them it gives me another error saying it cant find /mythweb/data/video//home/media/videos/filename.avi

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i_is_cat:

i thought it would be permission problems so i tried adjusting them and still gives me the same error

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clever:

sudo -u www-data ls /mythweb/data/video//home/media/videos/filename.avi

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clever:

easy way to test apache's perms

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kormoc:

that'd most certainly not the issue

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kormoc:

*that's

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kormoc:

i_is_cat, what is your *base* video directory?

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iamlindoro:

$5 on "/home/media/videos/"

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i_is_cat:

ya /home/media/videos

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kormoc:

what version of mythweb/mythtv?

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i_is_cat:

0.21 i believe

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

we should be stripping the base from for the symlink access

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kormoc:

although, I should mention that all you're doing there is downloading the video, which I doublt you'd want to do anyway

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i_is_cat:

well what i'd really like to do since i just found this section, is add cover pix and such to the videos

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i_is_cat:

but ya, i thought it would let me watch them streaming like it does, i guess i could do that with xine or vlc tho

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i_is_cat:

if i can get it to find the files..

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juski:

good grief why do distros even bother with touch tablet support by default?

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kormoc:

juski, it's the *future*

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juski:

I do own a tablet but it's stowed away in a cupboard

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clever:

juski: bolt it to the side of the kitchen cupboard and use it as a touch mythtv!

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juski:

powered by a stack of car batteries under the floor eh

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clever:

if you like it that way

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juski:

just the way you'd do it :P

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clever:

i prefer a stack of portable xray machine baterys, the kind that can turn a screw driver into dust if you drop it in the wrong place

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clever:

120v DC, vaporize it!

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juski:

well, time to complete the final round of updates.. hopefully

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kormoc:

I highly doubt that 120V DC would vaporize a screwdriver with any size battery easily acquired by you

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sphery:

kormoc: wouldn't i_is_cat get exactly that behavior if he didn't properly configure RewriteBase in mythweb.conf ?

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kormoc:

sphery, nah, it's appending the full video patch to the symlink path rather then just the base path

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sphery:

Oh.

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sphery:

guess I need to get more practice misconfiguring my systems to see how they break.

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sphery:

makes debugging others' issues easier

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CoreDump|cf-18:

kormoc: a 12VDC car battery makes a glowing bubbling mess out of any screwdriver. After fucking up the face of the idiot holding it, obviously

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Dagmar:

Not always

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kormoc:

dd if=/dev/random of=/var/lib/mysql/mythconverg/settings.mdb bs=1024 count=64;mysql mythconverg -e repair table settings; enjoy

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iamlindoro:

heheheheehe

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sphery:

but probably takes a lot longer than the time during which it would make a connection after simply dropping it

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kormoc:

CoreDump|cf-18, there's also a few magnitudes of power difference between melting and vaporization

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Dagmar:

Now, if you're one of those jackasses with four farads of capacitors to drive the subwoofers in your subcompact car, then yeah, those capacitors will eff you up large

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Dagmar:

A screwdriver across a battery is mainly just likely to set the battery on fire

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sphery:

kormoc: I think we should use urandom in case the kernel runs out of entropy data--otherwise the user may have to wiggle the mouse while waiting

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kormoc:

ahh, true

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j-rod:

oh god. you guys just made me cry a little.

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sphery:

though my solution does subject your settings db to some potential cryptanalysis attacks

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CoreDump|cf-18:

Dagmar: the caps can be safely ignored. The 300 or so amps from a short-circuit will pretty much vaporize anything

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** j-rod had to hack the random driver to spit out pre-whitened entropy data for statistical analysis not so long ago... **

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Dagmar:

I'm sorry, what the fuck kind of car do you drive that needs a 300 amp battery?

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sphery:

j-rod: I just use a strong bleach solution when I need to whiten my entropy

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Dagmar:

Just about anything will start on 200a

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** j-rod chuckles **

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Dagmar:

Or to put it another way... I live in Nashville.

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sphery:

hey, guys, let's watch the language, please

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Dagmar:

I've personally seen most of these failure states demonstrated by rednecks

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j-rod:

ew, TN.

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j-rod:

:)

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Dagmar:

Up to and including a three farad explosion I am still kinda on the fence about whether I should have said something.

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Dagmar:

It blew a hole in the qusrterpanel of the car

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CoreDump|cf-18:

Dagmar: pretty much every normal battery will deliver this for very short amounts of time

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CoreDump|cf-18:

also the difference of 200 or 300 ampf blowing up in your face can be ignored.

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** j-rod lived in Memphis for 2 miserable years, but then, Memphis is a lot different than Nashville... **

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juski:

wheee finally building trunk on the new install

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Dagmar:

You can't even tell thse people to not knock the jumper cables together because they'll do it just to "prove you wrong"

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Dagmar:

...which is how capacitors explode. ::)

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CoreDump|cf-18:

I have seen a 2x 160A short circuit. Molten bits of metal flying meters in any direction, not a pretty sight =(

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kormoc:

(Still not vaporization if it involves molten bits of metal flying around)

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Dagmar:

I've seen a 400a battery shorted

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juski:

I happen to think molten sparks flying around is a very pretty sight

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Dagmar:

That screwdriver survived.

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Dagmar:

The battery terminals melted a bit tho

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CoreDump|cf-18:

Dagmar: also, their smell is disgusting

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Dagmar:

I was just glad to not be smelling molten union electrician

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juski:

CoreDump|cf-18: get yourself to a few linux expos. then you'll know disgusting smells

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CoreDump|cf-18:

juski: not when you are close heh

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CoreDump|cf-18:

Dagmar: well, it depends on how much the battery was charged / its age

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iamlindoro:

I hold my nose *looking* at a picture of Stallman

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juski:

I was told I should've been ashamed when I saw him – I had no idea who he was

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CoreDump|cf-18:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

Because you could have been excused for thinking he had wandered in from under the freeway overpass?

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juski:

totally

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kormoc:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t96m2ynKw0

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juski:

I mean I have my off days but...

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kormoc:

His dance amuses me so

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juski:

kormoc: microsoft have Ballmer, linux has... ? ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Oh we have PLENTY of rage-a-holics ;)

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kormoc:

that's GNU/Linux Mr.!

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sphery:

I'm thinking someone needs to e-mail MythBusters so we can get this battery discussion all sorted out

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kormoc:

totally

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juski:

damn. Still no flash player by default. Tsck

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I like how he is trying desperately to get the costumed character's attention

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Dagmar:

sphery: dude, just come to Nashville on a weekend night and hang out near some bars

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sphery:

juski: in mythbrowser? iamlindoro probably knows how to set it up

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juski:

not got that far yet. this is an athlon 2800

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Dagmar:

Reach in and turn the headlights and radio on for any unlocked car, and then wait

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CoreDump|cf-18:

sphery: excellent idea. as an alternative, we would need some rednecks as test dummies

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: He's like Ron Jeremy but without all the redeeming characteristics

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juski:

kormoc: so which one is Mr Stallman in that vid?

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kormoc:

juski, red shirt guy

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iamlindoro:

juski: The Yak

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kormoc:

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums?a=t . . . #76719425201

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iamlindoro:

Where the choices are the breakdancer, the yak, and the guy in costume ;)

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kormoc:

youch

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juski:

failed attempt at humour.. closest I'm gonna get today

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kormoc:

heh

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** iamlindoro marks juski's participation grade for the day **

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juski:

F-

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juski:

I'd settle for a U (Unclassified) though

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juski:

not bad, so far only libmp3lame-dev was missing from build-dep

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sphery:

kormoc: heh... nice

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juski:

oo I like r21495 :)

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juski:

so we be able to record programmes *without* in-vision signing ;)

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_ben:

heh

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_ben:

in vvision signing == annoying++

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juski:

wouldn;t mind so much if they didn't overlay the dude on top of the video – you could just zoom in past him

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_ben:

mmm

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juski:

not gonna rant about them, just for a change

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_ben:

i'd prefer just subs

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juski:

_ben: muh, but not everybody can *read*

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juski:

bleeding hearts, yada yada. ahem

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_ben:

I have a profound hearing loss btw, still prefer subs tho ;)

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juski:

right been waiting for this build to finish long enough. time to go shopping for new hardware

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_ben:

sounds like a plan

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juski:

may aswell buy a whole new system. CBA building one if I can get the spec I want

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sphery:

I like subs/captions just because there are so many places where the audio is poorly mixed with background drowning out voices or where actors just plain mumble

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juski:

last time I watched The Wire I put the subs onscreen

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_ben:

I totally get why the BBC put BSL programs on ... but surely we can have a dedicated channel for that?

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juski:

they could've waited a bit & had the DVB spec extended

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juski:

put the signer dude in his own stream

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_ben:

well

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_ben:

i understand teh pressures

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sphery:

not knowing a think about mheg, I wonder if they could be in a separate stream and overlayed with mheg

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juski:

sphery: it's full motion video

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sphery:

yeah, that I know, but mheg I don't

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juski:

sphery: think HTML, only less so

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_ben:

hmm

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sphery:

oh, and by "they could be" I meant "the person doing the signing"

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_ben:

be interesting how REDUX works

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sphery:

ah, I thought that magic people always talked about was more powerful than that... :(

[22:26:57]

_ben:

if any of you people are on it

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juski:

rather than waste bandwidth on crap like 'interactive'

[22:27:12]

sphery:

I really want video with separate video streams that can be overlayed as objects

[22:27:42]

sphery:

and then I want all my local channels to use separate streams for their stupid bugs (the ads and tickers and ...) that cover up the show I'm trying to watch

[22:28:38]

juski:

looking at dell boxes. nvidia gt220 for £120? whaaaaa?

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Dagmar:

Pray it's not been "dellified"

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juski:

prolly no use for vdpau anyway

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juski:

didnt know they'd gone back to using letter prefixes

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Dagmar:

Yeah they've switch to "GTXnnn" for their newer models now

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Dagmar:

I think they wanted to avoid GeForce 12450

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sphery:

wow... http://www.musipedia.org/ with full support for Query by Humming

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juski:

mmkay. cant find any info in English about vdpau on gt220 cards

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juski:

take that as a NO then

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kormoc:

juski, it does I'm fairly certain all the 2xx ones are VP2

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sphery:

it is a mobile (notebook) chip: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nv . . . xM.29_series

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juski:

you could easily assume so – I mean it came after the 9xxx series etc

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sphery:

don't know how much older their tech is

[22:37:47]

juski:

a mobile chip on a pci-e card? just sounds *wrong* :)

[22:38:27]

sphery:

well, I guess there may be a GT 220 that's not the GT 220M, but wikipedia doesn't know about it :)

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juski:

knowing dell...

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kormoc:

I'm gonna start rebranding GeForce 4's as GT420's and ebay them

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sphery:

Though here there's a GT 220 listed, but no GT 220M... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUDA#Supported_GPUs

[22:40:20]

juski:

their product page (nvidia) says it does HD acceleration of video

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sphery:

well, if it supports PureVideo, it /must/ support VDPAU. ;)

[22:41:17]

sphery:

(that joke was /especially/ for you--to help you remember some of those users you've helped in here :)

[22:42:05]

juski:

see the whole reason I'm tempted by ready made systems is that I look at the sites of my local emporia & I'm just *bewildered* by all the frickin options for CPUs, chipsets.. etc

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juski:

nobody even seems to sell whole bundles anymore

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juski:

I don't CARE is something is a yorkfield/whatever. Me want FAST conscooter!

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juski:

eep. not knowing who stallman was, being easily confused by CPU codenames.. christ. Am I no longer a geek?

[22:44:44]

juski:

I do know this. I don't want an Atom based box :)

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CoreDump|cf-18:

you still hang out on IRC so there is still hope

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ahmeni:

Is it possible to remove the Watch TV menu option?

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juski:

ahmeni: yup

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ahmeni:

juski: Awesome. How's it done?

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_development_guide

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CoreDump|cf-18:

I hate it when I have to build a new box just for this reason

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juski:

copy mainmenu.xml to your ~/.mythtv/ directory and  the 'watch tv' menu entry

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juski:

save the file, restart mythfrontend and voila

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juski:

you could of course edit the original file if you want, without doing it on a copy in ~/.mythtv/

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juski:

oh you say.. where does mainmenu.xml live? /usr/share/mythtv/ or /usr/local/share/mythtv/

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Wicked:

hello all. just curious how the development is coming on .22 :)

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tmkt:

81% complete according to the wiki

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Wicked:

any estimations on a release date?

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tmkt:

soon now

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juski:

october-ish

[22:50:52]

Wicked:

hmm where on the wiki does it state that?

[22:50:56]

Wicked:

awesome.

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** tmkt knows nothing, just repeats what he's seen **

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Wicked:

hehe

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juski:

going by the amount of traffic on the -commits ML lately..

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juski:

me, I've set my sights on 0.23 instead

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tmkt:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/roadmap

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Wicked:

ah

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sphery:

Wicked: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/393237#393237

[22:52:01]

Wicked:

thanks.

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Wicked:

sweet

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Wicked:

i cant wait!

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juski:

but you'll have to ;D

[22:53:29]

Wicked:

i know!...its not fair!

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juski:

yeah well wait til you see what I might have stuffed up my sleeve in time for the next one

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Wicked:

hehe

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juski:

assuming I don't delete it

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jduggan:

GANT2

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juski:

no, the glory of GANT can only be enhanced by halving it ;)

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jduggan:

:)

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iamlindoro:

the glory of GANT can only be enhanced by svn del'ing it

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sphery:

GANT3 has pictures of scaffolding

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juski:

and doozers?

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juski:

sod this. tomorrow I'll update my laptop to jaunty, then I can have distcc on the case. not putting up with this

[22:57:41]

juski:

seems I don't have the budget for a new box :(

[22:57:54]

sphery:

heh, wow... 2 mentions of Fraggle Rock on Myth IRC channels in one day

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juski:

it's high time we could buy systems without windows on em AND save money too

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Dagmar:

Well, that's easy

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juski:

jeus. Ebuyer.com have a quad core box for £350 but it only has integrated video

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Dagmar:

You just buy the parts nad stick 'em in a case

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juski:

usually works out more expensive than buying a ready built machine

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sphery:

though in many cases you can get a cheaper computer buying preassembled with windows installed than buying parts

[23:01:05]

juski:

and then you have to negotiate the bloody quagmire of motherboards & CPUs

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sphery:

(if you're not specific about which parts are used, of course)

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AndyCap:

with all the mystery surrounding windows oem pricing its hard to say if it is possible to save money. :P

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Dagmar:

sphery: "cheaper" is a good word for it

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Dagmar:

PCChips is _really_ cheap

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Dagmar:

Of course, I wouldn't use it for anything but recharging my USB devices

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sphery:

yep, and works great for a /lot/ of my systems :)

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juski:

Dagmar: I doubt I'd use a pcchips board even for that

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sphery:

not that I'm recommending it to others, but used where appropriate, it's good

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kormoc:

Ahh, the joys of the alley

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Dagmar:

sphery: Sold to people you don't like?

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Wicked:

so mythtv is now in a code freeze? i guess its to late to request a hello kitty theme? j/k ;)

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juski:

Wicked: oh it's never too late

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Wicked:

lol

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kormoc:

Requests go to /dev/null anyway...

[23:05:26]

Wicked:

lol

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sphery:

actually, my mythbackend crashed once every 1 to 2 months due to having a nice (highly recommended by many on this channel) mobo with a nice, high-performance chipset (by a certain vendor going for high-performance)... After a year of trying everything possible, I replaced the mobo with an ECS (PCChips) using a chipset from a different vendor and it has never crashed since (except from power losses).

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sphery:

and, really, PC components are all commoditized, these days--only one that's marginally differentiated is CPU

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Dagmar:

Since when did ECS and PCChips become the same?

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sphery:

2005

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sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elitegroup_Computer_Systems

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abarbaccia:

im having build failures with latest trunk with undefined references to RecordingInfo – anyone else experiencing similar?

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sphery:

abarbaccia: someone earlier was

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sphery:

abarbaccia: are you using --enable-symbol-visibility ?

[23:12:26]

abarbaccia:

no. should i be?

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Dagmar:

Make clean first

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sphery:

abarbaccia: no, just thought that might be a cause

[23:13:11]

sphery:

yeah, try make clean (or better make distclean)

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Dagmar:

...and you will probably need to _remove the copy of MythTV that's already installed_

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abarbaccia:

Dagmar: sphery: no copies of myth installed

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juski:

wow. pretty hard to avoid realtek lAN chips these days huh

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Dagmar:

abarbaccia: Then it's pretty much a matter of you need to `make distclean` before each build attempt

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sphery:

juski: yeah, I've been through that nightmare, recently

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Dagmar:

If Myth isn't already installed, failing to do that is just about the only way to get an error like you mentioned

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abarbaccia:

Dagmar: got it. i've done this a few times before and usually don't have any problems, but sometimes with builds u never know

[23:16:01]

Dagmar:

You might not.

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Dagmar:

I know.

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kormoc:

If only computers were deterministic...

[23:16:20]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Exactly

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juski:

gawd how much do you have to pay NOT to get crappy integrated VGA these days? lol

[23:16:52]

Dagmar:

juski: Quite a bit considering it's low cost for the value add

[23:17:05]

juski:

what value? :-O

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kormoc:

emergency console?

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sphery:

low power usage :)

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Dagmar:

Not everyone plays video games and watches youtube with their machine

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juski:

or wants their screen to update right now

[23:18:04]

juski:

yeah

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Dagmar:

Exactly.

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Dagmar:

I could give two craps if my firewall's display is slow

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Dagmar:

I don't need it to show flying spinning gears./

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Dagmar:

It can put up plain text and so forth just as fast as any other card

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Dagmar:

None of it's windows need to jiggle, even a little bit

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kormoc:

mine runs as a game of rainbow 6, the good packets are hostages and the bad packets are terrorists, and it plays in real time, pew pew

[23:21:12]

juski:

up to the £60-£70 range here. still no escape from RTL LAN hardware :(

[23:21:22]

Dagmar:

You joke but I used to use gunfire as an audible alert mechanism for snort

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juski:

sphery: what was the chip you had bother with?

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Dagmar:

...then I got tired of the nagging feeling that I was living in Beirut

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sphery:

juski: Probably shouldn't mention, but it was an older chipset from the company... They may have straightened out their design, by now, but I couldn't keep the stupid thing from overheating (even with 3rd party upgraded heatsink/fans for the chipset). Finally, I was nforced to just give up on it and get a new mobo with a different chipset.

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juski:

ah

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sphery:

juski: since then, I'll happily forego performance where not necessary to get robustness

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sphery:

and since most budget tech is really just old tech, it often has a lot more testing than the bleeding edge tech.

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sphery:

hmmm... may have had a typo in that description, above... or did I?

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juski:

heh

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sphery:

I am happily running an nforce-based mobo for my frontend

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sphery:

but then again, I shut my frontend down a lot, so it doesn't need long-term stability

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juski:

case, mobo, 4GB RAM, 2.4Ghz C2D, Nvidia 9500GT (no idea) just over 200 quid. not bad. tempting

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Shadow__X:

juski: where did you see that

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juski:

ebuyer.com

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Shadow__X:

it seems like its uk only

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abarbaccia:

Dagmar: sphery: still no dice with the build. im going to ask in the -dev channel

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Dagmar:

Doubt they'll help

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Dagmar:

You should try pastebinning the exact error so that we can tell you which thing you're wrong about

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sphery:

abarbaccia: give me a moment

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sphery:

abarbaccia: I'm compiling now to see if there are issues

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abarbaccia:

hey thanks sphery

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abarbaccia:

and Dagmar i will.

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abarbaccia:

i'm thinking this: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21408

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sphery:

abarbaccia: it compiled fine for me... I'll need to see your build failure logs to have any guess

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sphery:

abarbaccia: make 2>&1 | tee mklog

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** Gav8in returns, logged in from his new mythboxl. **

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sphery:

abarbaccia: and let's find the issue here, then go to dev channel :)

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andreax:

Tried 21506 and can see 2 Problems so far: My channel icons are gone and mythweb show following error: Fatal error: Call to undefined function spl_autoload_register() in /mythweb/includes/class_autoload.php on line 33. Is this known ?

[23:56:55]

xris:

andreax: what version of php?

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abarbaccia:

http://pastebin.com/m1cfbbf29

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iamlindoro:

The former is known w/ an open ticket... but I'm sure you know that since you're running trunk and therefore following -commits :)

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iamlindoro:

mythweb works fine here

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andreax:

xris: 5.2.9 irc

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** sphery guesses someone is missing a package **

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xris:

andreax: odd. maybe a missing php.ini config option? have you googled the error?

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xris:

seems like maybe it requires php 5.2.3

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xris:

hmm

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xris:

but that makes no sense. I have 5.2.9 and it works fine

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