| Sunday, August 23rd, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:16] | nighthawk: | oh yeah, google image search says mine was an x36 |
| [00:00:57] | wagnerrp: | huh... didnt realize the 36 was that old... mid-late 90s |
| [00:01:01] | nighthawk: | lol, arctic/wii model: http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2007/163 . . . 7_screen.jpg |
| [00:01:19] | nighthawk: | yeah, it was like 200$ or so, I remember driving an hour to buy it |
| [00:01:41] | nighthawk: | big step up from the MS sidewinder pro |
| [00:02:09] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i had something like that... sidewinder 3d pro or something |
| [00:02:23] | wagnerrp: | bumped up to a cyborg evo, and then an x52 |
| [00:03:11] | nighthawk: | did you play freespace2? I swear half of battle star galactica tech is ripped off from it |
| [00:03:32] | nighthawk: | memories get fuzzy, but I recognize a lot of soundfx |
| [00:03:52] | wagnerrp: | no, never played any of freespace |
| [00:03:56] | brad2: | hey guys, trying out the hd-pvr on a slower computer with vdpau, getting some odd errors, when i try to play the video, it is kind of jerky with audio pauses for the first 20–30 seconds, and then it sort of rights itself and plays perfectly (cpu usage never climbs about 10%) |
| [00:04:07] | brad2: | during the herky jerky video, i get alot of errors like this: 2009-08–22 19:58:12.951 NVP(0): Video is 4.02652 frames ahead of audio, |
| [00:04:08] | brad2: | doubling video frame interval to slow down. |
| [00:04:19] | brad2: | any ideas or advice? :> |
| [00:04:20] | nighthawk: | brad2, disable cpuscaling |
| [00:04:39] | nighthawk: | if that doesn't solve it, lower the deinterlace settings |
| [00:04:44] | wagnerrp: | brad2: there is a playback option in the settings, flips between using the audio and video as the time base |
| [00:04:57] | wagnerrp: | one of those is preferred, the other buggy... i dont remember which |
| [00:05:03] | brad2: | thanks guys i will try that |
| [00:05:13] | brad2: | nighthawk: where would i find cpuscaling? in tv playback settings? |
| [00:05:20] | nighthawk: | no, os setting |
| [00:05:22] | nighthawk: | what dist? |
| [00:05:27] | brad2: | fedora 11 |
| [00:05:35] | wagnerrp: | what processor? |
| [00:05:38] | nighthawk: | wait, that only applies if you have an IGP |
| [00:05:46] | nighthawk: | is your nvidia onboard or a PCIe card? |
| [00:05:48] | wagnerrp: | a 'slower computer' may very well not even support scaling |
| [00:05:58] | brad2: | AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4000+ |
| [00:06:06] | brad2: | pcie card |
| [00:06:10] | brad2: | nvidia 9500gt |
| [00:06:35] | nighthawk: | hmm, wagnerrp's advice might work better, but you can try lowering deinterlace settings if not |
| [00:06:48] | brad2: | okay, thanks i will try those |
| [00:06:52] | nighthawk: | I think the 9500 has enough power to do advanced 2x |
| [00:06:59] | nighthawk: | my 8300 does not :( |
| [00:07:17] | brad2: | i think i'm trying advanced 1x right now |
| [00:07:35] | wagnerrp: | a 9500gt should handle all of the VDPAU deinterlace modes at full 1080i |
| [00:09:35] | brad2: | yeah so i just disabled deinterlace, and same thing |
| [00:09:42] | brad2: | going to try the time base suggestion now |
| [00:10:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | brad2: are you sure it's using VDPAU and not falling back to a software decoder? |
| [00:11:11] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: if the CPU never went above 10%... |
| [00:11:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: ah, ok. I missed that.. ;-) |
| [00:12:41] | brad2: | yeah i'm pretty sure it's vdpau |
| [00:12:52] | brad2: | the weird part is.. i get all those NVP errors in the first 15 seconds |
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| [00:13:04] | brad2: | and then it just fixes itself and plays perfectly |
| [00:13:32] | brad2: | could it have something to do with pulse audio? I compiled the pulse audio disable support, but last time i installed this, i actually ripped pulse audio completely out of the system |
| [00:13:48] | Dagmar: | That would be that pesky common sense kicking. |
| [00:13:52] | Dagmar: | er kicking in. |
| [00:14:09] | nighthawk: | pulse audio seemed really cool until I realized it was entirely unapplicable to mythtv and even detrimental |
| [00:14:26] | brad2: | dagmar: common sense is ripping out pulse audio? |
| [00:14:31] | nighthawk: | I do get a kick out of reading lenarts comments |
| [00:14:32] | Dagmar: | Frankly, yes. |
| [00:14:47] | brad2: | okay i think that's my next step |
| [00:16:08] | nighthawk: | I saw recently someone mention a perlscript or similar for changing mythfrontend settings instead of navigating around the interface... what is it called? |
| [00:16:25] | laga: | nighthawk: lenarts comments? where? |
| [00:16:32] | brad2: | dagmar: YOU ROCK! thanks for the advice |
| [00:16:37] | brad2: | removing pulseaudio fixed it right up |
| [00:17:06] | nighthawk: | laga: anything he had written, esp some of his "disputes" with some other developer |
| [00:17:12] | laga: | nighthawk: ah |
| [00:17:12] | Dagmar: | Wait, I know one... How much of the money from next years profits will be going into a room for rolling around naked in |
| [00:17:35] | nighthawk: | I don't know what his native language is, but his english makes me grin |
| [00:17:48] | Dagmar: | wwheee.... so the wrong channel |
| [00:17:51] | laga: | nighthawk: i believe he's dutch. not sure |
| [00:18:01] | laga: | Dagmar: yeah. i tried very hard to put that into some context |
| [00:18:18] | Dagmar: | Yeah I was asked if i had any questions for a blizzcon panel |
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| [00:18:36] | Dagmar: | Being the kind of guy I am, I coulnd't even think of anything I didn't already dig up what I wanted to know |
| [00:19:01] | Dagmar: | Man they're talking about having cross-server LFG and instances |
| [00:19:04] | Dagmar: | That's just crazy |
| [00:19:35] | Dagmar: | No more having to really pick a single server for the purposes of much more than leveling up |
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| [01:04:11] | Dagmar: | Man it's just awesome that Zap2it now has support for browser hijacking spam |
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| [02:11:09] | iamlindoro: | God help me, I'm doodling in Inkscape again |
| [02:15:29] | Dagmar: | What's wrong with that? |
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| [02:16:28] | Dagmar: | Are you doodling furry porn? |
| [02:16:33] | Dagmar: | ...again? |
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| [03:08:30] | meatmanek: | I'm running archlinux and am setting up mythtv for the first time. I have 2 capture cards (the same type), and I see /dev/video0 and /dev/video1, but not /dev/v4l/video0 or 1. |
| [03:09:04] | iamlindoro: | functionally identical |
| [03:09:15] | iamlindoro: | only variable between them is where your distro decides they live |
| [03:09:18] | meatmanek: | under capture card setup in mythtv-setup, if I put /dev/video0 as the video device, I get "Failed to open" under Probed info |
| [03:09:18] | wagnerrp: | meatmanek: its just a preference of the distro |
| [03:09:30] | Dagmar: | I fail to see how that demonstrates any sort of a problem |
| [03:09:40] | wagnerrp: | meatmanek: that probably indicates a permissions error |
| [03:09:46] | meatmanek: | I was just thinking that |
| [03:09:48] | iamlindoro: | Yep, that settles it, people who want to use my next theme can damn well buy a decent font |
| [03:09:51] | Dagmar: | So, what point in the install instructions are you at? |
| [03:10:22] | Dagmar: | Because, you know... *not* reading them will result in failure every time. |
| [03:10:25] | Dagmar: | hint hint |
| [03:10:25] | meatmanek: | I'm following http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/MythTV_HOWTO |
| [03:10:39] | meatmanek: | at Capture card menu |
| [03:10:53] | wagnerrp: | are you choosing the correct type of capture card? |
| [03:11:06] | wagnerrp: | mpeg encoder vs. v4l framegrabber? |
| [03:11:23] | meatmanek: | hold on, let me restart x to see if it wasn't just a permissions issue |
| [03:11:26] | Dagmar: | Well, that's awesome. I could print their instructions on two sheets of paper |
| [03:11:36] | wagnerrp: | why would restarting X do anything? |
| [03:11:49] | wagnerrp: | tuner cards have absolutely nothing to do with X |
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| [03:11:59] | meatmanek: | because I added myself to a group and typically that won't propagate until you log in again |
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| [03:12:22] | wagnerrp: | well a quick 'su' to yourself would fix that |
| [03:12:42] | Josh_: | This is really weird. My channel ordering is set to "numeric", but "14.0" and "15.0" fall in betwen "2" and "2.1" |
| [03:12:49] | meatmanek: | aha |
| [03:12:58] | wagnerrp: | and you shouldnt be running mythtv-setup as 'yourself' anyway |
| [03:13:03] | meatmanek: | no? |
| [03:13:10] | wagnerrp: | you should be running it as the user that will eventually run mythbackend |
| [03:13:16] | meatmanek: | ah good paint |
| [03:13:18] | meatmanek: | point |
| [03:13:19] | Dagmar: | Yeah so try the install documentation on wiki.mythtv.org |
| [03:13:25] | wagnerrp: | which if youre using the packaged init scripts, that is usually user 'mythtv' |
| [03:13:29] | Dagmar: | ...because that archlinux page is crap |
| [03:13:44] | wagnerrp: | i think one or two runs as root |
| [03:14:00] | Dagmar: | Even the bit about nVidia XvMC setup is wrong |
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| [03:14:39] | meatmanek: | what should it be? |
| [03:15:03] | meatmanek: | er nm |
| [03:15:13] | Josh_: | If I've changed the xmltvid for a channel (via mythweb or the channel editor in LiveTV) how do I get the program data updated? |
| [03:15:38] | wagnerrp: | manually run mythfilldatabase |
| [03:15:56] | Josh_: | wagnerrp, any command line options? |
| [03:16:15] | wagnerrp: | you probably should, i dont know them off hand |
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| [03:25:26] | Josh_: | wagnerrp, mythfilldatabase is only saying "Did not find any new program data", and exits. No changes to the incorrect guide data. |
| [03:25:27] | iamlindoro: | --refresh-all --refresh-today |
| [03:25:36] | Josh_: | iamlindoro, I did a --refresh-all |
| [03:25:47] | iamlindoro: | look at tomorrow's listings |
| [03:26:12] | iamlindoro: | if there's nothing there, then you put in the wrong XMLTVid or that id doesn't exist in one of your SD lineups |
| [03:27:31] | Josh_: | iamlindoro, there's info there, its just incorrect. And the channels that had not had an XMLTV ID specified still return no listings, even though there is a valid XMLTV ID specified and another channel that uses the same XMLTV ID shows data. |
| [03:28:59] | iamlindoro: | mythfilldatabase will *never* just crap out on a refresh-all unless it's misconfigured |
| [03:29:11] | iamlindoro: | --refresh-all should take a very, very long time |
| [03:29:23] | Josh_: | It's done in.... |
| [03:30:16] | Josh_: | 2009-08–22 22:28:22.735 to 2009-08–22 22:28:50.142 |
| [03:30:28] | iamlindoro: | Then your SD config in mythtv-setup or at SD is very very broken |
| [03:30:36] | iamlindoro: | 18 seconds means it didn't refresh anything, let alone all |
| [03:30:41] | iamlindoro: | so you're misconfigured |
| [03:30:41] | Josh_: | agreed. |
| [03:30:45] | Josh_: | okay, let me dig around |
| [03:34:43] | Josh_: | GOD I love SSH X forwarding |
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| [03:35:28] | jya: | iamlindoro: what OSD do you use with your Graphite theme ? |
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| [03:36:00] | iamlindoro: | jya, the metallurgy one, with one tiny tweak to display the video coverart (you can just copy from last night's commit to the other ones if you want to do the same) |
| [03:36:24] | iamlindoro: | jya, http://www.miffteevee.co.uk/themes/metallurgy.html |
| [03:36:52] | jya: | ok thanks ... I'm converting all my boxes to use trunk ; will make it easier to program if I can get testers :) |
| [03:37:27] | jya: | OSD from 0.21 works with trunk ? |
| [03:37:56] | iamlindoro: | jya, yeah, the OSDs aren't MythUI'd yet so there's backwards compat |
| [03:38:09] | jya: | great |
| [03:38:35] | jya: | nice looking theme that metallurgy |
| [03:38:43] | iamlindoro: | yeah, it's gbee's |
| [03:38:59] | Josh_: | iamlindoro, MUUUUCH better, thanks. |
| [03:39:10] | iamlindoro: | Josh_, found it? Glad to hear it |
| [03:39:34] | Josh_: | I must have changed my password on SchedulesDirect, and didnt dawn on me.. Not sure when though. |
| [03:40:53] | Josh_: | I want to run trunk, but I dont want to run it on the living room pc, which sadly, is my only frontend as of yet. |
| [03:40:55] | jya: | what's the best process to upgrade a 0.21 install to trunk ? looking at mythvideo right now, none of my posters seems to have survived , they don't show up |
| [03:41:14] | wagnerrp: | Josh_: give it a couple weeks, and it wont matter anyway |
| [03:41:30] | Josh_: | wagnerrp, I read you guys are shooting to release 0.22 before november? |
| [03:41:42] | iamlindoro: | jya, hmm, none at all? posters should make it... what theme? |
| [03:41:48] | iamlindoro: | Josh_, before October |
| [03:41:49] | wagnerrp: | october, feature freeze starts monday |
| [03:42:01] | iamlindoro: | Josh_, as in, feature freeze monday and release sometime next month |
| [03:42:12] | jya: | the default one, GANT .. I haven't done anything to the install yet: no special theme etc |
| [03:42:17] | Josh_: | *hmmm* |
| [03:42:33] | Josh_: | As soon as a decent upgrade guide comes out, I'll do it. |
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| [03:42:50] | iamlindoro: | jya, can you select * from videometadata where title = "sometitlethatdoesn'thaveaposter"; ? |
| [03:42:54] | Josh_: | I'm not ready to read through months of -dev and -commits backlog just to run trunk |
| [03:43:51] | wagnerrp: | Josh_: ideally, the work done after the feature freeze will be bugfixes, and making sure the upgrade from 0.21 to 0.22 is painless |
| [03:44:01] | wagnerrp: | but there will be some issues |
| [03:44:09] | Josh_: | there always are. |
| [03:44:15] | jya: | something else I've noticed, though that was with a trunk install of about 1 month ago, the ability for mythvideo to show files (Video Browser browses files" didn't seem to have any effect |
| [03:44:17] | wagnerrp: | some people will have corrupt databases, that will have to be dumped, or manually fixed |
| [03:44:25] | jya: | only videos in the database showed up |
| [03:44:29] | wagnerrp: | some people will have old themes that are not compatible with the new UI |
| [03:44:36] | Josh_: | I don't mind completely starting over, as long as my channels and dtv_multiplex tables can be moved over |
| [03:44:46] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo is moving over to storage groups, which may cause some hiccups |
| [03:44:52] | iamlindoro: | jya, depends on whether you converted to Storage Groups in mythvideo-- if so, yeah, file browsing doesn't work there yet |
| [03:45:03] | Josh_: | Ooh. |
| [03:45:06] | jya: | no, I didn't convert anything |
| [03:45:14] | Josh_: | File browsing in MythVideo doesnt work in -trunk? |
| [03:45:16] | jya: | I always had a separate install for 0.21-fixes and trunk |
| [03:45:34] | wagnerrp: | technically, 0.21 isnt really designed for file browsing |
| [03:45:46] | jya: | so here, all I did is install a packaged trunk (Weekly mythbuntu) and ran mythbackend / frontend |
| [03:45:53] | jya: | no database were changed manually |
| [03:45:59] | wagnerrp: | unless you use a very restrictive 'browse' mode, you have to scan everything before hand |
| [03:46:06] | wagnerrp: | and mythvideo only shows the contents of the database |
| [03:46:11] | Josh_: | I guess that's not a problem, as long as there's a way to scan without tying up the frontend. |
| [03:46:23] | iamlindoro: | jya, can you show me one row from videometadata? |
| [03:46:33] | iamlindoro: | any one without a poster showing up is fine |
| [03:46:36] | jya: | how do I do that ? |
| [03:46:45] | iamlindoro: | select * from videometadata where title = "sometitlethatdoesn'thaveaposter"; |
| [03:46:53] | wagnerrp: | Josh_: scanning is done on the frontend, and takes a couple seconds to do |
| [03:47:11] | Josh_: | wagnerrp, depending on how many files are in the search directories. |
| [03:47:23] | Josh_: | but I see what you're suggesting. |
| [03:47:28] | jya: | oh well restarting the frontend , I now have posters .... |
| [03:47:30] | iamlindoro: | jya, a random guess would be that one of the DB upgrade steps went awry and so the db query is failing |
| [03:47:31] | Josh_: | It's really not that big of a deal. |
| [03:47:32] | jya: | go wonder ... |
| [03:47:33] | wagnerrp: | ive got a couple thousand, from various tv shows, movies, and other videos |
| [03:47:36] | wagnerrp: | it takes a couple seconds |
| [03:47:39] | iamlindoro: | jya, heh, yeah, that got fixed this week I think |
| [03:47:56] | iamlindoro: | jya, it would stop at 1027, then move on the next time the frontend got started |
| [03:48:17] | iamlindoro: | so yeah, the DB upgrade wasn't complete so building the tree would have failed since the query didn't match the DB |
| [03:48:37] | jya: | the other issue that made me awry of moving to trunk for the main system, is that when I ran a scan, I would sometimes get duplicate in mythvideo |
| [03:48:56] | iamlindoro: | jya, and you haven't set up video SGs yet? |
| [03:49:01] | jya: | no |
| [03:49:17] | iamlindoro: | ah, in that case is there any chance you scanned twice without leaving MythVideo? |
| [03:49:27] | jya: | could be ... |
| [03:49:33] | iamlindoro: | ie if you scan > 1 time right now, without leaving MythVideo and waiting for the cache to die, you get dupes :( |
| [03:49:41] | iamlindoro: | Anduin has it under control and should be fixing it in the next day or two |
| [03:49:50] | wagnerrp: | that reminds me, does mythvideo still refuse to run if you have no 'VideoStartupDir'? |
| [03:49:56] | iamlindoro: | (and fixing it such that we don't need to leave mythvideo after a scan, it'll all just "pop in" |
| [03:50:04] | Josh_: | wagnerrp, if it only takes a couple seconds to scan, why not just have that run when you enter MythVideo? |
| [03:50:09] | jya: | great .. because nothing worse that a carefully crafter metadata set to get damaged |
| [03:50:18] | jya: | and with plenty of duplicates |
| [03:50:24] | Josh_: | wagnerrp, as long as there's a prompt saying what the stall is for, it's ok |
| [03:50:52] | jya: | the video SG have to be set in mythtv-setup and it can be done in mythfrontend ? |
| [03:51:02] | iamlindoro: | jya, correct, in mythtv-setup |
| [03:51:11] | jya: | ok |
| [03:51:24] | iamlindoro: | jya, though there are a fair number of rough edges there still |
| [03:51:32] | iamlindoro: | though I'm gradually getting them smoothed out |
| [03:51:33] | jya: | I'm a tad stressed, wife got home earlier than scheduled, and she will give me grief for sure |
| [03:51:54] | Josh_: | jya, are you a developer? |
| [03:52:06] | iamlindoro: | jya, You may want to hold off setting up SGs if there's the wife to keep happy, there's a fair bit of unimplemented stuff |
| [03:52:12] | Josh_: | jya, or generally can code stuff? |
| [03:52:16] | iamlindoro: | jya is a dev |
| [03:52:25] | Josh_: | mmk |
| [03:52:45] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i saw earlier today you had an account on trac |
| [03:53:18] | jya: | so to summarise: if I don't set SG , I may get dupe if I scan twice, but if I set SG wife we'll be unhappy ? :) |
| [03:53:39] | jya: | yeah, got promoted this morning :) |
| [03:53:57] | wagnerrp: | congrats |
| [03:54:14] | jya: | thank you ... |
| [03:54:24] | iamlindoro: | jya, to summarize if you do SGs + local you'll get dupes no matter what ;) |
| [03:54:25] | wagnerrp: | is that 'leave mythvideo, wait five seconds' thing something expected to be finished by 0.22? |
| [03:54:32] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, yes |
| [03:54:47] | iamlindoro: | will be fixed in the next couple days, and will no longer produce dupes or require leaving |
| [03:55:06] | jya: | ah ok... so if I set SG, I have to uncheck the browse files bit |
| [03:55:28] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [03:55:37] | jya: | ok |
| [03:56:26] | jya: | ok, next step is to install your Graphite theme |
| [03:56:56] | iamlindoro: | Once you do, you will probably want to rescan anything in your video library that is television |
| [03:57:08] | iamlindoro: | so that the new filename parser can pick up season/episode/subtitle |
| [03:57:21] | meatmanek: | hooray channel scanning is working |
| [03:57:21] | iamlindoro: | then you'll probably want to do new metadata grabs to get fanart/banners/screenshots |
| [03:57:30] | iamlindoro: | (W is the new shortcut key for that) |
| [03:57:31] | jya: | iamlindoro: for the metallurgy theme, and the URL you gave me earlier : you use the 0.21 one , or the trunk one ? |
| [03:57:40] | iamlindoro: | jya, for the OSD, they're the same |
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| [03:57:43] | meatmanek: | is there a way to copy the channel list from one input to another? |
| [03:57:45] | iamlindoro: | (I don't use the theme part) |
| [03:57:58] | meatmanek: | cause I have two tv cards both hooked up to the cable, so they will get the exact same channels |
| [03:58:02] | meatmanek: | and I don't feel like scanning again |
| [03:58:16] | wagnerrp: | meatmanek: you have one source |
| [03:58:22] | wagnerrp: | you bind that source to multiple inputs |
| [03:58:40] | wagnerrp: | channels are stored with the source, not the card or the input |
| [03:58:41] | jya: | currently , my videos are organised like this: TV / Law & Order / Season 1 / file_s01E02_title.avi |
| [03:58:50] | jya: | that's compatible with your new stuff ? |
| [03:58:55] | meatmanek: | I see |
| [03:59:22] | iamlindoro: | jya, if the name of the file is actually "Law and Order s01e02 blah.avi" then yes |
| [03:59:42] | iamlindoro: | it'll pick that up as title = Law and Order, Season = 1, Episode = 2, subtitle = blah |
| [04:00:22] | jya: | no, I don't have the title again in the name of the file :( |
| [04:00:56] | iamlindoro: | In that ase that won't work w/ the filename parsing |
| [04:00:58] | iamlindoro: | er case |
| [04:01:00] | jya: | a quick script will chage that |
| [04:01:08] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [04:01:19] | coolthreads: | if im recording from one transponder, does this stop channels from another transponders being accessible |
| [04:01:36] | jya: | Actually, I've added something to rename a file in the python bindings ; so I don't loose all the metadata |
| [04:01:53] | coolthreads: | Oh okay just finished recording from a different transponder and now those missing channels are back |
| [04:02:00] | meatmanek: | how do you delete a livetv storage directory? |
| [04:02:17] | iamlindoro: | jya, you could just do a quick set of mysql queries I guess |
| [04:02:31] | wagnerrp: | meatmanek: delete the directory from the storage group, item 6 in mythtv-setup |
| [04:02:41] | iamlindoro: | jya, ie "update videometadata set season = "1" where filename like "%s01%"; |
| [04:02:49] | meatmanek: | right, I go into storage directories |
| [04:02:51] | meatmanek: | livetv- |
| [04:03:19] | meatmanek: | I see the entry I want to delete, the correct entry, and (Add New Directory) |
| [04:03:46] | wagnerrp: | coolthreads: with 'multirec', you can record from multiple channels on a single transponder |
| [04:03:55] | wagnerrp: | but one tuner, can only tune one transponder at a time |
| [04:04:04] | meatmanek: | ah, just changing it to the correct entry deletes it |
| [04:04:06] | wagnerrp: | meatmanek: highlight the directory you want to delete, and hit 'd' |
| [04:04:18] | meatmanek: | thanks |
| [04:04:30] | Josh_: | iamlindoro, mythfilldatabase just finished, and the guide data is *perfect* so far. |
| [04:04:44] | iamlindoro: | jya, it won't parse the filename unless it's being scanned fresh into the library, so if you want to keep metadata you will probably need to set season/episode/subtitle manually or w/ some mysql queries |
| [04:04:48] | iamlindoro: | Josh_, cool |
| [04:05:33] | jya: | may be worth writing a script to do all this automatically, would ease the upgrade pain |
| [04:05:41] | Josh_: | The channels are all out of order still, but at least the guide data's correct. |
| [04:06:01] | jya: | may be worth adding a wiki entry for the purpose alone |
| [04:06:07] | coolthreads: | wagnerrp: just learnt what a transponder was last night, and yes I thought that I could multirec from one transponder. Now I have a understanding to buy another dvb-s card. thanks for your help |
| [04:06:11] | jya: | if it hasn't been done that is... |
| [04:06:31] | iamlindoro: | jya, Jamu does a pretty good job of mass metadata grab/etc. in a way compatible w/ mythvideo in .22... but that's obviously from scratch |
| [04:06:52] | iamlindoro: | but yes, I will write up the filename and path conventions in the next week or two |
| [04:10:06] | coolthreads: | ta |
| [04:11:15] | iamlindoro: | jya, in short it will parse all the common "internet" naming formats, ie $title 1x01 $subtitle.ext, or $title s01e01 $subtitle.ext, or $title Season # Episode # $subtitle.ext, etc. |
| [04:11:40] | jya: | for the "Directory that holds movie poster" screenshots etc.. does this have to be a local directory, or it can retrieve all of this via the backend ? |
| [04:12:36] | iamlindoro: | jya, SG homed movies save/load metadata images from the backend, "local" homed movies save/load images from the local settings |
| [04:13:13] | iamlindoro: | *Technically* it's possible to mix the two, but it involves editing database records manually |
| [04:13:43] | jya: | when you create a SG, can you "move" existing files (with metadata) into it ? |
| [04:13:53] | iamlindoro: | with some effort |
| [04:14:12] | iamlindoro: | need to change the paths and add the host to videometadata |
| [04:14:24] | jya: | or it's a matter of redoing a scan (that includes retrieving all the info from imdb/tmdb) |
| [04:14:42] | iamlindoro: | yeah, though IMO that's the easier option |
| [04:14:47] | iamlindoro: | (especially if you use Jamu) |
| [04:15:38] | jya: | never heard of Jamu ... it took me a while to get all the metadata properly added, often there was duplicate, so pretty much everything got done manually by entering the imdb# in the mythvideo bit ... |
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| [04:16:30] | jya: | the mythvideo -> General Settings accessed via mythvideo, is this a local setting for the frontend, or it's for all frontends ? |
| [04:16:40] | iamlindoro: | per-frontend |
| [04:17:11] | jya: | it's a bit confusing sometimes the settings, some of them are local to the frontend , some aren't |
| [04:17:33] | jya: | for example, the file types , is global (at least with my existing setup), |
| [04:17:42] | iamlindoro: | yep, file types still global |
| [04:18:04] | meatmanek: | hooray I can see video |
| [04:18:14] | jya: | who wrote Jamu ? |
| [04:18:27] | iamlindoro: | Doug Vaghan |
| [04:18:33] | iamlindoro: | er Vaughan |
| [04:18:40] | wagnerrp: | RDV on here |
| [04:19:00] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Jamu |
| [04:19:21] | iamlindoro: | jya, actually looks like Jamu may handle your updating/etc. |
| [04:19:29] | iamlindoro: | "Renaming existing TV series graphics to the new format (series Season – #) and update the video file's data base record. e.g. "Fringe Season 1.jpg" " |
| [04:19:57] | iamlindoro: | Dunno if it parses from path, though |
| [04:20:49] | jya: | nice stuff, if I had known that existed, I wouldn't have done anything on the find_meta.py scripts ... what a duplicate effort :( |
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| [04:21:42] | iamlindoro: | hmmmmmmmm http://www.fecitfacta.com/possible.png |
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| [04:27:20] | jya: | hum... get a Segmentation Fault after installing Graphite and restarting mythfrontend |
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| [04:44:23] | tank-man: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asT1rbaHvR0 Quantum leap in "8bit" |
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| [04:45:36] | meatmanek: | hmm so should I scan in both qam 256 and qam 64? |
| [04:46:02] | wagnerrp: | meatmanek: typically, you just want qam256 |
| [04:46:16] | wagnerrp: | check the listings at silicondust.com to see what you should expect to find in your area |
| [04:46:53] | meatmanek: | thanks |
| [04:48:08] | meatmanek: | oh c'mon mythtv-setup, don't crash |
| [04:48:18] | meatmanek: | frozen. |
| [04:49:21] | meatmanek: | at least it saved them |
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| [04:57:47] | jya: | weird: mythfrontend tries to manually start the backend to generate a preview ... |
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| [05:12:58] | Dassu: | Does anybody here use youtube with MythStream ? |
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| [05:15:09] | sphery: | jya: the preview generator process lives in mythbackend, now, but to prevent decode errors from causing mythbackend to segfault, mythbackend is started as a completely separate process using the --generate-preview argument so if it segv's, meh |
| [05:15:47] | jya: | issue is with mythfrontend only client... I didn't have mythbackend compiled on that machine... |
| [05:16:08] | wagnerrp: | well you have to intentionally not have any backend compiled and installed |
| [05:16:19] | wagnerrp: | the configure scripts are they currently are do not allow that |
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| [05:17:09] | wagnerrp: | sometime around 0.20, that was disabled, because not compiling the backend saves you a couple MB of space, and under a minute of compile tile |
| [05:17:11] | wagnerrp: | time |
| [05:17:13] | jya: | yes ... that's true... reason being I don't install directly from source, but compiling packages first |
| [05:17:43] | jya: | need to get this information to some of the distribution packager. |
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| [05:18:49] | wagnerrp: | i recall some error message in the configure script if you try to use the old '--disable-backend' and '--disable-frontend' flags |
| [05:18:56] | wagnerrp: | warning message rather |
| [05:19:03] | sphery: | generally, all previews will be generated on the backend, because they're generated automatically after recording |
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| [05:19:32] | jya: | that procedure is fine |
| [05:19:57] | sphery: | there's also some setting whose name I don't remember right now that allows you to tell mythbackend to always generated them |
| [05:20:02] | jya: | however, that the mythfrontend program starts the binary directly is not as elegant as say sending a message to the backend so it generates the preview |
| [05:20:30] | sphery: | if you check that checkbox it does |
| [05:20:38] | sphery: | of course, though, the backend then starts the binary directly |
| [05:20:43] | sphery: | to keep it out of the process space |
| [05:20:44] | jya: | this is on a very recently updated system, where all preview existed befoe |
| [05:21:03] | GlemSom: | I was under the impression that if the storage device is running low on diskspace, mythtv will clean up in old recordings... Is that right? |
| [05:21:19] | wagnerrp: | GlemSom: yes, called autoexpir |
| [05:21:20] | wagnerrp: | e |
| [05:21:41] | jya: | sphery: do you knew where that settings is located ? on the frontend settings or mythtv-setup ? |
| [05:22:01] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, I think that setting went away, they should be always generated now. it's up to the theme whether to draw them or not now. |
| [05:22:07] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp, Then I wonder why MythTV choose to delete some of my recordings from last night, instead of some of those for two weeks ago. (both set to autoexpire) |
| [05:22:55] | wagnerrp: | the old recordings had a higher priority? |
| [05:23:06] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how it orders auto-expire |
| [05:23:28] | wagnerrp: | ive always deleted manually before i got to that point |
| [05:23:34] | Captain_Murdoch: | AutoExpire orders them how you tell it, it is configurable. I think there are 2–3 sort orders now. |
| [05:23:37] | jya: | damn , my segfault is in libGLcore |
| [05:23:41] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp, I thought the priority was only when recording – not afterwards... ? |
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| [05:24:39] | GlemSom: | wagnerrp, Well, I usually do too – but my program guide messed up – and though a show was running for 12 hours... So, it kinda took a bit too much diskspace (And i wasen't home) |
| [05:25:37] | GlemSom: | Is there a way to set/get priority for recordings in Mythweb? |
| [05:26:29] | wagnerrp: | yes, in the recording schedules |
| [05:27:39] | Dassu: | Oh I c. MythStream doesn't have proper search function for youtube grr... |
| [05:28:25] | Dassu: | 2008 apr 06 ... |
| [05:28:39] | Dassu: | Grr once again. Dunno if it can do HQ or HD |
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| [05:28:49] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch / jya : Yeah, the "Display thumbnail preview images of recordings" setting went away (finally), but I was thinking of "Generate preview image remotely" ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/19438 ), which is in trunk, but not 0.21-fixes |
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| [05:29:28] | jya: | I have no preview in my recordings anymore... I see on the mythfrontend logs lots of mythbackend being started. |
| [05:29:34] | jya: | however when it comes to loading them: |
| [05:29:38] | jya: | all I see are : |
| [05:29:39] | jya: | Error loading image to scale, from file: /data/video-images/fanart/ |
| [05:29:57] | jya: | which is an empty directory |
| [05:30:16] | meatmanek: | so in channel editor, where does icon download download from? |
| [05:30:36] | sphery: | jya: Storage Groups configuration error |
| [05:30:46] | jya: | I see... |
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| [05:31:35] | sphery: | jya: or maybe not... |
| [05:31:36] | iamlindoro: | That's just a failed fanart image hunt, it's harmless |
| [05:31:41] | iamlindoro: | unrelated to screenshots |
| [05:31:59] | Dassu: | Actually it does have fairly good search function. But it is broken (I guess) |
| [05:32:04] | sphery: | I was thinking that was your recordings directory, but now that I read the dir name... :) Sorry. |
| [05:32:05] | Dassu: | Can't take forever to fix |
| [05:33:01] | jya: | for the context: this is straight from my 0.21-fixes install, upgraded to trunk on the main machine, and Im yet to mythtv-setup |
| [05:36:50] | sphery: | Captain_Murdoch / iamlindoro : Could http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3086 have been a user who just needs to check "Do not adjust volume" ("Enable this option for budget BT878 based DVB-T cards such as the AverTV DVB-T which require the audio volume to be left alone.") or is that setting truly only effective for BT878 cards? |
| [05:38:06] | jya: | iamlindoro: with your Graphite theme, a pity that in the main menu, 90% of the screen isn't used |
| [05:42:16] | jya: | Still no preview in recordings :(. this is started on a frontend, separate from the main backend ... here is a copy of the logs: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1539881 |
| [05:44:11] | jya: | I've set permissions on all directories to 777 just in case |
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| [05:47:24] | Captain_Murdoch: | sphery, not sure about that setting. |
| [05:50:28] | jya: | sphery: enabling the "Generate preview image remotely" fixed the problem... |
| [05:52:54] | jya: | it creates the preview there however: /home/myth/.mythtv/remotecache/1003_20090714193000.mpg.png |
| [05:53:06] | jya: | so that's unique per frontend ... not nice |
| [05:54:18] | jya: | especially, as the frontend, has almost no disk space available |
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| [06:14:28] | Captain_Murdoch: | if it created it remotely, how could it have written the file there on your frontend? Is that file being cached there when the frontend downloads it from the backend? |
| [06:14:52] | ** Captain_Murdoch doesn't know much about the reworked preview gen code or the frontend image caching. ** | |
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| [06:27:34] | psm321: | anyone around? |
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| [06:33:19] | Dagmar: | I'm around. |
| [06:33:26] | Dagmar: | Actually, I'm a triangle. |
| [06:36:09] | psm321: | :) |
| [06:36:30] | psm321: | i was trying to figure out how the menu internals work, but i think i have a lead to work with now :) |
| [06:36:45] | Dagmar: | You opened one in an editor? |
| [06:36:50] | Dagmar: | It's fairly transparent |
| [06:37:14] | psm321: | well more along the lines of the internal stuff since i'm trying to add a completely new menu action |
| [06:37:23] | Dagmar: | Ah okay |
| [06:37:30] | Dagmar: | That code is actually more readable than the rest IMHO |
| [06:37:35] | psm321: | i think i understand it, except the callback that i expect to get called isnt |
| [06:37:45] | psm321: | TVMenuCallback to be exact |
| [06:38:05] | psm321: | as far as i can tell (unless my VERBOSE isnt running), that doesnt get called |
| [06:38:09] | meatmanek: | gah, I can't figure out how to make my database available to other computers |
| [06:38:18] | psm321: | even though the MythThemedMenu calls its callback function |
| [06:38:25] | Dagmar: | meatmanek: You might actually wanna go to the mysql documentation for that |
| [06:38:48] | Dagmar: | meatmanek: It's pretty simple, once you're actually looking at the commands to do it. |
| [06:38:53] | Dagmar: | There's really only two things you need to do. |
| [06:39:30] | Dagmar: | The first is to make sure mysql is _actually_ using networking code. Lots of distros ship it with a configuration token named 'skip-networking' turned on for security's sake |
| [06:39:59] | Dagmar: | If that's _on_ it'll _only_ listen to the local Unix sockets which aren't accessible outside of that machine |
| [06:40:06] | Dagmar: | The other thing you'll want the mysql documentation for |
| [06:40:18] | Dagmar: | Access control in mysql isn't like other systems |
| [06:40:58] | Dagmar: | You'll probably need to look at the grant tables (that's what they're called) and add one that gives the mythtv user rights for more than just on localhost |
| [06:41:04] | Dagmar: | ...and they explain that bit |
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| [06:41:17] | Dagmar: | Other models you're familiar with are just username and password. |
| [06:41:38] | Dagmar: | ...for mysql, it _can_ be just username and password, but mainly it's user@hostmask and password which throws folks for a loop |
| [06:42:02] | Dagmar: | Their freakin wildcards for that aren't even what I would call 'normal' |
| [06:45:18] | meatmanek: | aaagh |
| [06:45:58] | ** meatmanek reads ** | |
| [06:47:31] | psm321: | how do i compile with debugging symbols? |
| [06:48:20] | Dagmar: | Just make sure -g is in your CFLAGS |
| [06:48:31] | Dagmar: | ...and that you don't strip the binaries when they're compiled, of course. |
| [06:48:36] | Dagmar: | That's all there is to it. |
| [06:48:56] | Dagmar: | I guess since we're talking about MythTV and Qt you want to put -g in CXXFLAGS as well |
| [06:49:07] | Dagmar: | MOST of the time, that's just the default |
| [06:51:26] | psm321: | gah, i must be missing something really stupid here |
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| [06:51:48] | psm321: | setCallback gets called, but the only place that ever calls it doesnt print anything with either a VERBOSE or a printf |
| [06:52:10] | Dagmar: | Did you nuke the stale objects before you recompiled |
| [06:52:59] | psm321: | nope, but those files do seem to get recompiled |
| [06:53:07] | psm321: | i guess in my next open window i could try that |
| [06:53:19] | Dagmar: | Like, if my printf's don't work I generally make sure I didn't screw up and forget to make clean |
| [06:53:29] | Dagmar: | It's pretty damn hard for those to fail |
| [06:53:52] | Dagmar: | mythfrontend certainly isn't closing it's output pipts and backgrounding or something |
| [06:54:20] | psm321: | well i havent been doing make clean because theoretically the makefile should do the right thing, but yeah i'll try that next time :) |
| [06:57:03] | Dagmar: | You forget. moc is involved. |
| [06:57:07] | Dagmar: | Never trust it. It's evil. |
| [06:57:14] | psm321: | ok |
| [06:57:16] | psm321: | thanks |
| [06:57:24] | meatmanek: | okay now I think I have my database set up correctly for remote access |
| [06:57:34] | meatmanek: | but it's telling me it can't connect to the backend server |
| [06:57:51] | Dagmar: | Backend server needs to be listening on a "real" IP |
| [06:57:55] | meatmanek: | it works fine on the same host |
| [06:57:59] | psm321: | umm |
| [06:58:05] | ** psm321 slaps psm321 around with a small 50lb Unix Manual ** | |
| [06:58:06] | meatmanek: | I thought I changed that |
| [06:58:07] | ** meatmanek checks ** | |
| [06:58:19] | Dagmar: | So, assuming you have it set up with a static IP address or can fake it, run mythtv-setup to change that |
| [06:58:47] | ** psm321 slaps psm321 around with a small 50lb Unix Manual ** | |
| [06:59:05] | psm321: | wow, that was 45 minutes wasted... probably could have had this thing working by now |
| [06:59:18] | Dagmar: | What got left out? |
| [06:59:23] | psm321: | was running the wrong executable........ |
| [06:59:25] | meatmanek: | it would be under General > Local Backend > IP Address and General > Master Backend > IP Address? |
| [06:59:36] | Dagmar: | If you find those options in that order, probably so |
| [06:59:50] | Dagmar: | psm321: Hah! |
| [06:59:52] | psm321: | was still seeing some things because they were in libraries |
| [07:00:06] | psm321: | yeah i know, stupid :( |
| [07:00:18] | Dagmar: | meatmanek: There's pretty much only one place in mythtv-setup where you set the backend's IP address |
| [07:00:32] | meatmanek: | yeah |
| [07:00:35] | meatmanek: | it's set to my hostname |
| [07:01:10] | psm321: | if you cant resolve that hostname from the other system it'll fail |
| [07:01:10] | Dagmar: | See if setting it to the IP fixes that |
| [07:01:47] | Dagmar: | I should probably go scribble up "How to use ISC's dhcpd" on the wiki or something |
| [07:02:02] | psm321: | this reminds me of a really ugly hack i had to do once when i needed 2 different systems to access the backend with a different IP |
| [07:02:14] | Dagmar: | Folks with a master backend might as well run the thing on it if they don't have a more useful DHCP server |
| [07:02:16] | psm321: | i forget why |
| [07:04:06] | Dagmar: | I can't even think of why you might |
| [07:04:52] | meatmanek: | gaah |
| [07:05:08] | meatmanek: | now when I hit watch tv, it goes to a black screen for 30 seconds or so |
| [07:05:15] | meatmanek: | and then returns to the menu with no error |
| [07:05:22] | Dagmar: | So now you check the logs |
| [07:05:27] | meatmanek: | ah now it's complaining about no master backend server |
| [07:06:04] | meatmanek: | well the real question is: where are the logs on the precompiled mac version =P |
| [07:07:15] | meatmanek: | I love how stable mythtv is |
| [07:08:23] | meatmanek: | hooray TV! |
| [07:09:31] | meatmanek: | okay, now to try getting digital tv working again |
| [07:10:08] | psm321: | Dagmar: i remember, i was trying to use a client from an external network without vpn (stupid i know, i did have some firewall rules at least) |
| [07:10:31] | Dagmar: | It's a mythtv box. |
| [07:10:47] | Dagmar: | Firewall rules would probably have been enough unless you were like, using a college LAN |
| [07:11:21] | psm321: | yeah |
| [07:11:36] | psm321: | but vpn makes network layout a lot simpler, especially for things like this |
| [07:12:12] | psm321: | so internal boxes needed to access backend via internal 10.* ip , and external needed to go via a global ip |
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| [07:16:16] | psm321: | i really ought to start cleaning up my hacks and submitting them... my code is diverging too much |
| [07:16:25] | psm321: | though, i doubt that many of them would be accepted |
| [07:16:41] | psm321: | since they mostly deal with my crazy number of recordings |
| [07:17:12] | psm321: | (the one i'm working on right now is a way to get a quicker watch recordings option by only pulling the last 1000 recordings) |
| [07:17:26] | Dagmar: | Good lord |
| [07:17:38] | Dagmar: | Hmm... |
| [07:17:56] | Dagmar: | Proabbly the better way to do that would require an assumption about how many things can be displayed "right now" |
| [07:18:42] | psm321: | yeah |
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| [07:19:05] | psm321: | pull all the titles for the sidebar and then the first 20 for each title or something, and then pull more as you scroll down |
| [07:19:09] | meatmanek: | gaaaaaaaaaaaaah |
| [07:19:14] | meatmanek: | why doesn't digital tv work! |
| [07:21:07] | psm321: | lets see, what else... i have one to put the 2x option in the menu, but that ones short and simple |
| [07:21:56] | psm321: | i have one that i shouldnt use anymore and should really get rid of for having multiple default profiles for PVR cards |
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| [07:30:10] | meatmanek: | hmm dmesg is saying mythfilldatabase is getting segfaults |
| [07:31:47] | Dagmar: | Normal, actually. |
| [07:31:53] | Dagmar: | It can safely be ignored. |
| [07:31:59] | meatmanek: | ok |
| [07:32:24] | meatmanek: | so will all of this mythtv stuff become stable at some point? I'm seeing a lot of crashing |
| [07:39:04] | Dagmar: | Yes |
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| [07:41:28] | meatmanek: | well, sweet |
| [07:41:36] | meatmanek: | I can record digital |
| [07:41:41] | meatmanek: | but it just shows up as a bunch of static |
| [07:42:07] | meatmanek: | one minute of digital showed up as about 1 or 2 seconds of mostly green static |
| [07:43:23] | meatmanek: | welp, I'm giving up for tonight |
| [07:48:13] | psm321: | mythfilldatabase segfaults are normal??? |
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| [07:51:33] | juski: | how stable mythtv is seems proportional to the user's intelligence :) |
| [07:52:06] | meatmanek: | yeh I would disagree there |
| [07:53:01] | meatmanek: | segfaults should not be accepted as normal |
| [07:53:21] | juski: | segfaults aren't accepted as normal |
| [07:53:22] | meatmanek: | the frontend should not be able to crash the backend |
| [07:53:29] | juski: | but they sometimes happen |
| [07:53:37] | meatmanek: | <meatmanek> hmm dmesg is saying mythfilldatabase is getting segfaults |
| [07:53:38] | meatmanek: | <Dagmar> Normal, actually. |
| [07:54:02] | juski: | mythfilldatabase falling over once in a while is of no consequence |
| [07:54:10] | juski: | s/no/little |
| [07:54:45] | meatmanek: | also, the interface randomly crashing shouldn't be accepted either |
| [07:55:18] | meatmanek: | assertions shouldn't be failing |
| [07:55:26] | juski: | true, but that's not something I've experienced much in 5 years |
| [07:55:37] | meatmanek: | I've had assertions fail on me probably 10 times tonight |
| [07:56:15] | meatmanek: | twice right after scanning for channels (fortunately the channels saved) |
| [07:56:29] | juski: | and if stuff like that goes unreported in trac, they won't (can't) be fixed |
| [07:56:44] | meatmanek: | fair enough |
| [07:56:52] | meatmanek: | I should start reporting every crash I get |
| [07:57:01] | meatmanek: | that'll either get results or get me banned from the bug tracker =P |
| [07:57:26] | meatmanek: | alright, it's 4 am. |
| [07:57:27] | meatmanek: | gotta go |
| [07:57:43] | juski: | meatmanek: for best results, compile mythtv yourself |
| [07:57:56] | meatmanek: | heh |
| [07:57:57] | juski: | few packagers build in debugging support anyway |
| [07:58:19] | meatmanek: | back when I was using gentoo it was just as bad, if not worse |
| [07:58:24] | juski: | and for a decent bug report for the kind of problems you're talking about you absolutely need backtraces |
| [07:58:27] | meatmanek: | i realize that's not quite the same |
| [07:59:03] | meatmanek: | gotta go |
| [07:59:11] | juski: | kk. have fun |
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| [08:59:10] | juski: | heh just seen an effect in something which makes coverflow look a bit crap |
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| [09:23:17] | sebrock: | I'm trying to kick transcoding on. Am I right in assuming that first mythtv transcodes to nuv and then I'll set up a user-job to convert to Xvid? |
| [09:29:23] | juski: | transcode twice? Jees you really must not want good quality |
| [09:31:42] | sebrock: | ok, I see now that the nuv files actually are xvid |
| [09:31:45] | juski: | have a user job do it to xvid directly |
| [09:32:15] | sebrock: | err divx |
| [09:32:29] | juski: | no, the nuv files are mpeg4 video & mp3 audio in a nuppelvideo & container |
| [09:32:58] | sebrock: | yes, VLC recognized it as divx though |
| [09:33:36] | juski: | but VLC is wrong :P |
| [09:33:51] | sebrock: | so how can I set it to compress say about 1 hour to about 500–600 mb |
| [09:34:23] | sebrock: | right now the transcoding took about 5 seconds so I don't thing any encoding was really done |
| [09:34:33] | juski: | you can only transcode to MJPEG (with mp3 audio) or mpeg4 (with mp3 audio) in mythtranscode – or chop mpeg2 'losslessly' |
| [09:34:51] | juski: | maybe it just remuxed it into a new container |
| [09:35:15] | sebrock: | right, so then I'll have to use ffmpeg and convert it again as I said in my first post, or is this wrong? |
| [09:35:36] | juski: | I'd make a user job to do it in one go |
| [09:35:51] | juski: | the path of least long term effort :) |
| [09:35:53] | sebrock: | could you explain the basic steps? |
| [09:36:02] | juski: | no. check duh wiki |
| [09:36:32] | sebrock: | under which section? What I found on transcoding seemed outdated |
| [09:36:41] | juski: | user jobs |
| [09:37:39] | sebrock: | thanks |
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| [09:39:23] | sebrock: | will mythtranscode do this or is it still up to nuvexport/ffmpeg? |
| [09:40:56] | juski: | mythtranscode won't output to xvid or divx |
| [09:42:07] | sebrock: | ok, I think I know what I'll need then thanks for the advice |
| [09:52:51] | psm321: | it works! |
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| [10:07:54] | _ben: | juski: you still on vermin media? |
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| [10:12:24] | juski: | _ben: only just |
| [10:12:51] | _ben: | ah, just bought a flat – looks like i can only get cable |
| [10:13:03] | _ben: | i guess its a simple affair using cable+myth? |
| [10:13:24] | juski: | yeah, but FWIW I was only recording two channels via the STB |
| [10:13:35] | juski: | cartoon network & discovery |
| [10:13:40] | juski: | so I binned it |
| [10:13:59] | _ben: | ah k |
| [10:14:28] | juski: | and even then I was using a 'special' STB |
| [10:14:51] | juski: | couldn't be bothered with IR blasting |
| [10:15:28] | _ben: | seems like it's a pain |
| [10:15:51] | juski: | there's naff all worth paying for TV wise IMHO. If you don't want sports.. and you don't want to waste hours of your life watching films that went straight to video (for the majority of movie channel content is just that) |
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| [10:16:33] | juski: | freeview ftw :) |
| [10:16:47] | AndyCap: | juski: only in countries with it. |
| [10:17:13] | juski: | myers |
| [10:17:17] | _ben: | juski: agreed, problem is i'm not allowed an aerial on the roof – altho an aerial in the loft *may* work |
| [10:17:48] | juski: | when you area switches to digital entirely you might be able to use any bit of bent tin & get decent signal |
| [10:18:00] | _ben: | heh |
| [10:18:10] | juski: | signal levels are going to be boosted tenfold in most places |
| [10:18:21] | _ben: | I thought they were decreasing? |
| [10:18:40] | juski: | erm.. power output.. which will probably result in twice the signal being available in real terms |
| [10:18:45] | juski: | nah |
| [10:18:52] | _ben: | heh, shows how much i know |
| [10:18:55] | juski: | they're at low power now to minimise interference |
| [10:19:16] | _ben: | This loft aerial sounds like a plan then |
| [10:20:53] | _ben: | switchover in 2012 :/ |
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| [10:22:01] | juski: | anyway, for mythtv to be worthwhile you generally need > 1 capture source.. and for cable that means two STBs |
| [10:22:14] | juski: | and with virgin media that means extra fees |
| [10:22:35] | Dibblah: | Woo hoo! Another committer. |
| [10:22:37] | juski: | AFAIK they don't charge 2x subscription but an extra monthly fee (5 or 10 quid) for another box |
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| [10:57:52] | GuySoft: | hi all, after compiling trunk i am getting "non-existing SPS 31 referenced in buffering period" from the mythtv viewer. I understand this could be due to problematic header in the stream, can anyone point me out how i can see those headers? |
| [10:59:18] | juski: | hex editor? :P |
| [11:01:18] | GuySoft: | juski, ok, thats a start. ill look |
| [11:01:28] | GuySoft: | juski, i was hoping there was a dedicated tool. |
| [11:03:08] | GuySoft: | juski, i am looking at a dump with hexeditor now.. it isn't really clear what is going on there |
| [11:03:38] | laga: | try mythfrontend -v playback first maybe |
| [11:03:47] | laga: | maybe that will give additional clues |
| [11:04:04] | GuySoft: | juski, is there a specific line i am looking for? |
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| [11:08:19] | GuySoft: | laga, its giving a few moew things, says the input is corrupt (duh, its commercial television): http://pastebin.com/m6f1c9d9 |
| [11:09:03] | GuySoft: | it is saying: No codec context. Returning false |
| [11:09:20] | ** GuySoft googling ** | |
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| [11:10:28] | juski: | this is prolly coming from trying to play back video too new for the player in terms of its format |
| [11:10:51] | laga: | GuySoft: does this happen with all recordings? did it work with 0.21 with this specific recording? |
| [11:10:54] | juski: | try ffplay with it – ffplay from ffmpeg's svn |
| [11:11:09] | laga: | yeah, that is also a very good suggestion |
| [11:11:14] | GuySoft: | this persion seems to have solved it: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/347674 |
| [11:11:19] | juski: | laga: he's in israel & they're using some weird new format |
| [11:11:23] | GuySoft: | laga, no, the problem presists |
| [11:11:23] | laga: | ah |
| [11:11:55] | juski: | laga: vlc plays it but who knows what build he's got |
| [11:12:08] | GuySoft: | juski, so download and recompile ffmpeg? |
| [11:12:26] | GuySoft: | juski, i got the build from debian-multimedia.org.. |
| [11:12:31] | juski: | GuySoft: I thought you'd solved the issue anyway |
| [11:12:41] | juski: | you were only left with prebuffering pauses, IIRC |
| [11:13:13] | GuySoft: | juski, i got sound, but it made the cpu go up to 100%, and the images froze periodically every second or so |
| [11:13:34] | juski: | like uh.. with the LATM patch |
| [11:13:42] | juski: | that was the *right* way to go |
| [11:13:48] | GuySoft: | juski, i found no way of overcoming the prebuffering, i think the patch is the route of them. |
| [11:14:12] | juski: | but it's your ONLY way to play back ANY audio from your streams so far |
| [11:14:38] | GuySoft: | juski, was it? i thought it only made people here annoyed that i am using un-supported patches |
| [11:14:43] | juski: | which means you cannot continue to use pre-built mythtv |
| [11:15:10] | GuySoft: | juski, i rather let it record normaly, and play on VLC. because if the patch is applied, then the recording jumps as well. |
| [11:15:18] | juski: | when mythtv has the bits of ffmpeg which support LATM synced into it, it'll support it |
| [11:15:29] | juski: | until then, you have no chance |
| [11:15:45] | juski: | the recording shouldn't jump |
| [11:15:58] | juski: | the LATM patch doesn't do anything to the recorded streams AFAIK |
| [11:16:01] | GuySoft: | juski, also, if i help locate what is needed in trunk, then next version, this might actually be solved |
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| [11:16:23] | GuySoft: | juski, it must be introducing some cpu leak, or a buffer overflow |
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| [11:16:54] | juski: | the patch isn't supported as such because it's introducing a new FEATURE into the -fixes branch |
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| [11:17:05] | juski: | you should use trunk for developing new features |
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| [11:17:12] | GuySoft: | juski, there is another solution – i can locate whats wrong with the stream, and call the broadcasting company, if its not the AAC's fault then they might fix it |
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| [11:17:29] | GuySoft: | juski, i AM using trunk now, compiled it just an hour ago.. |
| [11:17:30] | juski: | there's nothing 'wrong' with the stream if VLC can play it fine |
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| [11:18:43] | GuySoft: | juski, well gbe said he saw a miss-labeling of the audio stream, but i dont know what he saw there.. i have a demo file you can look at, see if you can play it |
| [11:19:23] | GuySoft: | juski, http://gnet.homelinux.com/files/test_output.mpg |
| [11:19:32] | juski: | GuySoft: yes, your version of ffmpeg was out of date & IT misidentified the audio stream as data |
| [11:19:37] | juski: | unreliable evidence |
| [11:20:27] | GuySoft: | juski, yes, i know.. |
| [11:20:41] | GuySoft: | well, let me have a look at my ffmpeg.. sec |
| [11:20:46] | juski: | LATM is a method of packing audio streams together to save bandwidth |
| [11:21:01] | juski: | try ffmpeg built from source. it's your best bet |
| [11:21:19] | juski: | if VLC didn't over-generalise about stream types you could rely on that |
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| [11:22:14] | juski: | jees the video quality of that clip is *awful* |
| [11:24:19] | juski: | meh. vlc segfaults on that clip |
| [11:25:48] | juski: | building svn ffmpeg here. the lengths I go to for some people.. pfft |
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| [11:30:45] | juski: | hmmm. latest ffmpeg is saying the audio stream is data |
| [11:30:58] | juski: | you might need to give a sample to the ffmpeg guys |
| [11:31:21] | juski: | Stream #0.1[0x1012](eng): Data: 0x0011 |
| [11:31:41] | juski: | it has a language flag but it's identified as type 0x0011 – which the LATM patch gets around |
| [11:31:57] | juski: | so we're still waiting for ffmpeg to get LATM support built in. You're stuffed |
| [11:32:22] | laga: | well, there are patches |
| [11:33:34] | juski: | for h.264 of that bitrate & resolution I'd expect it to look *much* better than it does though |
| [11:33:37] | juski: | that is ASS |
| [11:34:02] | laga: | maybe it's upscaled |
| [11:34:11] | juski: | 720x576 ? |
| [11:34:16] | laga: | oh |
| [11:34:16] | laga: | :) |
| [11:34:24] | juski: | maybe it's been through too many encode/decode cycles on the way |
| [11:34:41] | laga: | what bitrate is it? |
| [11:34:59] | juski: | 2Mbit/sec |
| [11:35:07] | laga: | that should look very good |
| [11:35:12] | juski: | yup |
| [11:35:16] | juski: | looks worse than mpeg2 |
| [11:35:37] | juski: | artifacts around the edges of the graphics, yada yada |
| [11:35:47] | juski: | remind me not to move to Israel |
| [11:35:54] | juski: | ;-) |
| [11:35:58] | laga: | ;) |
| [11:36:20] | _ben: | heh |
| [11:36:26] | laga: | excellent. dydns is set up, so is port forwarding.. going to leave this box running as i leave for home :) |
| [11:36:33] | juski: | the shopping channels on our Freeview are better video Q than that |
| [11:39:33] | GuySoft: | wah, just saw all the tlak.. |
| [11:39:37] | GuySoft: | talk* |
| [11:41:09] | juski: | so, til ffmpeg catch up, you're stuffed. after ffmpeg adopt the changes needed it'll take time for them to filter down to mythtv |
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| [12:41:23] | GuySoft: | juski, i am getting ffmpeg now |
| [12:41:37] | GuySoft: | if i compile it here, will it help |
| [12:42:43] | GuySoft: | juski, ^ ... or do i need to stick it in mplayer somehow |
| [12:42:49] | GuySoft: | myhtv** |
| [12:48:38] | juski: | getting svn trunk of ffmpeg will not help you |
| [12:48:49] | juski: | it still reports the audio stream as type DATA |
| [12:48:57] | juski: | which means it's not yet been changed to support LATM |
| [12:49:06] | juski: | like I said, you're boned |
| [12:49:43] | juski: | even IF ffmpeg had got support in it, it wouldn't help you with playing the recordings in mythtv until that version of ffmpeg had been synced into mythtv |
| [12:50:08] | GuySoft: | juski, did you just theck? |
| [12:50:10] | GuySoft: | check* |
| [12:50:11] | juski: | yes |
| [12:50:13] | GuySoft: | juski, because someone did report this fixed the problem to him |
| [12:50:16] | GuySoft: | for him* |
| [12:50:28] | juski: | only the LATM patches will help you |
| [12:50:40] | GuySoft: | juski, is there a way i can sync ffmpeg in to mythtv myself? |
| [12:50:53] | juski: | it's not a task for the faint-hearted |
| [12:51:10] | juski: | they often make API changes which have to be accounted for in mythtv's code |
| [12:51:21] | laga: | what about those existing latm patches? |
| [12:51:29] | GuySoft: | juski, is anyone in mythtv planning to do this? |
| [12:51:44] | juski: | laga: it made playback within mythtv work but he was getting prebuffering pauses |
| [12:51:48] | laga: | ah |
| [12:51:53] | juski: | laga: probably nothing to do with the patch though |
| [12:52:21] | juski: | but there's a hard line here – nobody using unsupported patches is helped |
| [12:52:28] | GuySoft: | laga, the latm patches give audio, but create a buffer overflow |
| [12:52:48] | juski: | ordinary audio playback can cause audio buffer overflows |
| [12:52:52] | GuySoft: | juski, it is, because i can play other audio stuff. even now. |
| [12:52:56] | juski: | if you've not configured your system right |
| [12:53:31] | GuySoft: | juski, but if i play normal audio files, i dont get a buffer overflow |
| [12:53:41] | juski: | that doesn't mean anything |
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| [12:54:36] | GuySoft: | juski, i get the overflow ONLY when playing AAC stuff with the patch |
| [12:54:41] | juski: | it could just be |
| [12:54:46] | juski: | that doesn't mean anything |
| [12:55:18] | juski: | on my old frontend, I used to see buffer overflows on a lot of recordings, and it played ordinary mpeg just fine |
| [12:55:45] | juski: | try setting the 'use extra audio bufferring' setting in mythfrontend |
| [12:55:54] | juski: | or if that is already set, try UNsetting it |
| [12:56:05] | GuySoft: | juski, this person says it works , look: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/347674 right at the endf |
| [12:56:05] | GuySoft: | When I installed faad2 and faac, for some reason MythTV would not use the > codec, even though they appeared in the ldd command. So, I download the |
| [12:56:08] | GuySoft: | > source for both of these, built, and installed it. Now, I rebuilt MythTV and installed it, and now it works like a charm. |
| [12:56:16] | juski: | and if 'use aggressive audio buffering' is set, UNSET it |
| [12:56:26] | juski: | GuySoft: mythtv doesn't use codecs. It cannot |
| [12:56:35] | juski: | *external* codecs are of NO USE to mythtv |
| [12:56:48] | juski: | everything it uses is built into libavcodec |
| [12:57:10] | juski: | so if it doesn't support a format internally, you cannot add support by installing a codec lib on your machine |
| [13:01:38] | laga: | word. |
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| [13:04:21] | juski: | you can *modify* mythtv to support new codecs, by porting it into existing source code, sure but that involves rebuilding mythtv itself |
| [13:05:12] | juski: | and it's not very practical to suggest a user doing their own ffmpeg sync, especially when ffmpeg itself doesn't even support the codec you need |
| [13:05:26] | juski: | like I said, you are boned |
| [13:06:12] | juski: | your best option right now – and for the short term future – is to use the LATM patch and TRY to get your audio buffering settings right |
| [13:07:05] | juski: | if you cannot, then you might aswell just let mythbackend do all the recording, use a script like mythrename (with the --link option) and share the resulting symbolic links on your network – then use VLC |
| [13:07:21] | juski: | those are all your options right now |
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| [13:08:05] | juski: | and until ffmpeg supports LATM directly without messy hacks – and THAT version of ffmpeg is synced into mythtv – you won't be able to play your nasty recordings without awful hacks |
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| [13:16:38] | GuySoft: | juski, ok.. so what is stopping ffmpeg to support AAC? it is implemented.. |
| [13:19:06] | GuySoft: | juski, could i use an external fronted? that will support AAC? that could be a workaround.. |
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| [13:41:53] | GuySoft: | juski, is there a LATM patch for trunk? maybe that will work.. |
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| [14:16:31] | mzb: | any voip users online? |
| [14:17:04] | mzb: | I'd just like to do a system test |
| [14:18:14] | juski: | not using mythphone I hope ;-) |
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| [14:19:00] | mzb: | heh, not in trunk ;) |
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| [14:19:15] | mzb: | ie: no |
| [14:19:46] | mzb: | want to setup an extension for an external user and test voice quality |
| [14:20:18] | mzb: | can be software based (twinkle/xten) at other end |
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| [14:23:32] | mzb: | ie: anyone with 5mins spare + machine + microphone? |
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| [14:26:34] | juski: | Just seen another clip of that asshole Glenn Beck. Oh dear |
| [14:26:55] | mzb: | juski, what OS are you running? |
| [14:27:09] | mzb: | and do you have a mic? |
| [14:27:32] | juski: | I'm not installing any VOIP crap on this machine, sorry |
| [14:27:39] | mzb: | k |
| [14:28:14] | mzb: | can I ask why? (general interest question) |
| [14:28:28] | mzb: | s/may |
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| [14:36:04] | kshots: | Question: What could cause mythtv to take a 2 hour recording and decide to continue recording indefinately? |
| [14:37:21] | mzb: | bad epg data? |
| [14:37:33] | kshots: | the guide had it right |
| [14:38:16] | kshots: | I ended up with a 31G recording last night... it also failed to remove stuff to make space (set to 18G)... so the drive was full |
| [14:38:47] | wagnerrp: | someone else mentioned the same problem yesterday |
| [14:39:11] | mzb: | know the feeling ... check your logs very carefully |
| [14:45:44] | kshots: | ugh... logs are flooded with 'out of space' and 'funky usleep' messages – hundreds of megs of them |
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| [14:50:52] | mzb: | sound like symptoms of another problem ... check everything |
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| [14:53:55] | sebrock: | juski, I got a problem with nuvexport. Trying in debug mode but it just sits there showing DB connection when it should start transcoding |
| [14:53:59] | sebrock: | any idea? |
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| [15:01:26] | sebrock: | like so: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1540343 |
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| [15:03:47] | wagnerrp: | what type of recording is it? |
| [15:03:58] | sebrock: | mpeg |
| [15:04:12] | sebrock: | its from a PVR-500 |
| [15:12:47] | nighthawk: | is it possible to change the deinterlace vdpau setting while watching livetv? |
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| [15:18:36] | wagnerrp: | nighthawk: no, you have to exit and go into the settings to change any decoding or deinterlace options |
| [15:19:05] | nighthawk: | what about playback profile, can that be switched ? |
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| [15:20:45] | uski: | hi; i am looking for a good frontend for mythtv. I currently have a NAS which exports my library over NFS, and I'd like to use a nettop (such as an Aspire Revo) with mythtv as a frontend. I'm looking preferably for a NVIDIA Ion based system but anything else would be nice. What are you guys using? I'd like to play HD vids so VDPAU support would be nice. |
| [15:21:51] | ** kshots just uses his ps3 ** | |
| [15:22:32] | nighthawk: | damnit, all my vdpau live tv problems werent vdpau |
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| [15:22:41] | nighthawk: | it was poor signal |
| [15:23:06] | nighthawk: | I switched to xv, and got all the usual digital corrupt artifacts |
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| [15:39:16] | nighthawk: | in a lircrc file, can you have more than one button mapped in a single construct? the lirc.org doc mentions key sequence |
| [15:39:29] | nighthawk: | it is slightly ambiguous |
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| [15:54:14] | Guest92270: | hi I am running mythtv trunk on mythbuntu and installed a dvb-s2 card using s2api Id like to scan for channels, what scan method should I use in the mythbackend-setup? |
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| [16:03:29] | GuySoft: | mzb, what kind of voip oyou need? |
| [16:03:36] | GuySoft: | you* |
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| [16:40:02] | xazo: | Hi. I was wanting to know if a TV tuner card is required on my computer in order to watch tv using MythTv? Or can I pick up another person's feed? |
| [16:40:45] | nighthawk: | tv card required unless you have a backend on your lan |
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| [16:41:16] | xazo: | ok. no other device "backend" on lan. |
| [16:41:39] | xazo: | im new to this as I just discovered mythtv today and curious to know more about it, and how it works. |
| [16:41:50] | xazo: | thank you, nighthawk |
| [16:43:03] | xazo: | Is MP2 format a general recording format to use? |
| [16:43:37] | nighthawk: | mpeg2? yeah, it is common, used in DVD and ATSC |
| [16:44:15] | Shadow__X: | xazo: you could go over to mythtv.orgg and learn all about it from there |
| [16:44:23] | xazo: | its been several years since I've played with video recording. |
| [16:44:32] | xazo: | on my way now, Shadow_x |
| [16:44:34] | xazo: | thanks |
| [16:44:36] | nighthawk: | mythtv handles all the recording details |
| [16:46:39] | sebrock: | anyone knows why nuxexport does not work for me? http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1540343 |
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| [16:56:44] | CoreDump|cf-18: | sebrock: that is but one of several commands you are supposed to run when checking --debug |
| [16:57:04] | sebrock: | CoreDump|cf-18, i know but this one is the first to fail |
| [16:57:35] | sebrock: | so the issue has to reside here as I get no further |
| [16:59:06] | sebrock: | I have no idea why nothing more happen when it should start transcoding, my default transcoder profile works fine |
| [16:59:14] | CoreDump|cf-18: | well, no. The first command is patiently waiting for data piped into the fifo from the following commands |
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| [16:59:28] | sebrock: | e.g. activating through mythweb |
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| [17:00:30] | CoreDump|cf-18: | you have to run all commands from debug at the same time. they are connected via fifos |
| [17:00:54] | sebrock: | this is the ouput from nuvexport when running with --debug: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1540521 |
| [17:01:19] | sebrock: | It does not say I should pipe anything? |
| [17:03:00] | CoreDump|cf-18: | please read what I have writte....You are supposed to run *all* commands printed by --debug *at the same time* starting from top to bottom. |
| [17:03:42] | sebrock: | so I'll have to run it in several terminals then? |
| [17:04:09] | sebrock: | or is it just the forking commands that needs to be done at the same time |
| [17:04:52] | sebrock: | or connecting with && ? I don't quite understand how this should be done |
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| [17:05:30] | CoreDump|cf-18: | sebrock: several terminals (or screen sessions) yes |
| [17:05:30] | CoreDump|cf-18: | it doesn't for them so you can read any messages |
| [17:05:30] | CoreDump|cf-18: | *fork |
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| [17:06:29] | sebrock: | alright, so just the fork commands then? I guess comflagging and creating that dir could be done separately first? |
| [17:06:45] | CoreDump|cf-18: | the commands are exchanging data via fifos. You might read up on them, then it will all become crystal clear ;) |
| [17:07:02] | sebrock: | thank you, I will right away |
| [17:08:00] | ** CoreDump|cf-18 sighs ** | |
| [17:08:00] | CoreDump|cf-18: | you have to run *sll* the commands exactly as shown in the printed order\ |
| [17:08:06] | CoreDump|cf-18: | np |
| [17:09:25] | sebrock: | ok, just to make it perfectly clear for me. The "system call" commands can be done first, and then 2 terminals running the forking stuff simulatious? |
| [17:09:29] | sebrock: | thanks again for coping |
| [17:10:30] | CoreDump|cf-18: | no, all commands in exactly the printed order, in exactly the printed way. When the command does not fork on its own, you need to run the next command in a new terminal |
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| [17:16:55] | wagnerrp: | woo! i got segfaulting code into mythtv |
| [17:17:33] | wagnerrp: | nevermind, not what i thought it was |
| [17:20:17] | sebrock: | CoreDump|cf-18, ok but the first two commands execute fine |
| [17:23:38] | sebrock: | hmm now it seems to work |
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| [17:24:48] | sebrock: | mythtranscode now 118% complete :P |
| [17:26:02] | sebrock: | however ffmpeg died with this: Unable to parse option value "trell+loop": undefined constant or missing ( |
| [17:26:02] | sebrock: | Invalid value '+mv4+trell+loop' for option 'flags' |
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| [17:40:32] | CoreDump|cf-18: | sebrock: your version of ffmpeg is incompatible with nuvexport |
| [17:40:32] | CoreDump|cf-18: | too new, too old, dunno |
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| [17:49:51] | sebrock: | awwwwww |
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| [17:50:50] | markl_: | hello, im trying to program my remote |
| [17:51:01] | markl_: | where do i find a list of the mythtv keys to use? |
| [17:52:05] | markl_: | e.g. when i hit the dvd button, irw says it is called "DVD" but in lircrc what to i use for config= |
| [17:52:15] | sebrock: | CoreDump|cf-18, FFmpeg 0.5-svn17737+3:0.svn20090303–1ubuntu6 |
| [17:54:18] | CoreDump|cf-18: | sebrock: you could try removing the offending parameters from ffmpeg.pm from the nuvexport package |
| [17:54:37] | sebrock: | I think it should be -flags2 and not -flags |
| [17:54:42] | sebrock: | I'll check it out |
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| [17:55:47] | sphery: | markl_: the short answer is: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings , the full answer is to use MythControls to see your keybindings. Use the key name for the config = line |
| [17:56:25] | sphery: | markl_: note, also, that many people have uploaded their pre-configured lircrc's to the 'net |
| [17:56:38] | sphery: | so you can find one that's already set up for your remote |
| [17:56:50] | sphery: | and adjust it to make it more what you want |
| [17:56:59] | markl_: | yes i am at the adjust step now |
| [17:57:11] | markl_: | 90% of the keys work |
| [17:57:17] | sphery: | good, much easier that way |
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| [17:58:11] | sebrock: | CoreDump|cf-18, strangly ffmpeg documentations as no option -flags at all |
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| [17:59:18] | CoreDump|cf-18: | ffmpeg is a bloody nightmare |
| [17:59:46] | sebrock: | I can see that from the google search here...man o man |
| [18:01:42] | sebrock: | ah bug: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6214 |
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| [18:07:46] | sebrock: | god and the next bug :p |
| [18:10:04] | markl_: | ok when i try to program a key like !, it binds the key as shift+! |
| [18:10:13] | markl_: | and then fails to work |
| [18:10:36] | sphery: | shift 1 work? |
| [18:11:49] | markl_: | how would i program that |
| [18:11:52] | markl_: | with mythcontrols |
| [18:12:17] | markl_: | it is detecting both the modifier and the key |
| [18:14:57] | sebrock: | yay finally it works |
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| [18:23:31] | markl_: | in mythmusic is there a way to pageup/down through the list of songs while one is playing? |
| [18:23:46] | markl_: | or, less charitably, who is the crack head who came up with those key bindings |
| [18:23:52] | juski: | yes with pgup & pgdn |
| [18:24:11] | markl_: | those keys skip forward or back in the current song |
| [18:24:17] | juski: | oops |
| [18:24:39] | juski: | well, patches are welcome. not that there's much point now with a feature freeze looming |
| [18:25:03] | juski: | if you can think of a better way to implement all the features... |
| [18:26:17] | juski: | I've not encountered a single 'perfect' way to deal with massive song collections in any media player |
| [18:29:17] | sebrock: | whats wrong with iTunes? |
| [18:29:35] | juski: | it won't run on linux and be any use, for one |
| [18:29:35] | sebrock: | in terms of organizing that is |
| [18:29:40] | juski: | secondly, it's useless |
| [18:29:45] | wagnerrp: | it deals with music how Apple tells you how to organize it |
| [18:29:56] | wagnerrp: | not how you want to handle it |
| [18:30:43] | sebrock: | I find it perfect the way it handles and organizes. But sure overall it has the apple stamp |
| [18:31:01] | juski: | and only runs usefully on mac or windows |
| [18:31:39] | juski: | finding a good UI model which works well with a remote will be difficult |
| [18:32:00] | sebrock: | yes juski, I know that much. I'm just saying organization of music is good |
| [18:32:08] | juski: | music is even a PITA in MCE |
| [18:33:04] | wagnerrp: | it also comes with an obligatory web browser |
| [18:33:07] | sebrock: | the pain is the GUI and interface to the user alone. Sitting with a remote browsing music sucks. |
| [18:33:19] | juski: | it needn't |
| [18:33:58] | juski: | the recent improvements in mythvideo have shown how good things can be if we use the metadata we already have more effectively |
| [18:34:02] | sebrock: | The remote will always be a showstopper as it lacks the alphabetical stuff. Sure there is virtual keyboards but how fast and enjoyable is that |
| [18:34:32] | wagnerrp: | sebrock: so use a diamond keyboard |
| [18:34:48] | juski: | t9 entry is a waste of time IMHO |
| [18:35:04] | juski: | so few remotes have the alphabet on the number keys |
| [18:36:12] | juski: | in the past too many people have *whined* about features but the amount of folks who actually came up with a *workable* *plan* with decent outlines of how things would work.. you can count those on ONE HAND |
| [18:36:52] | sebrock: | wagnerrp, I'm just pointing out what I feel is the big issue |
| [18:36:54] | juski: | and FWIW the excuse "muh, I can't code" doesn't wash with me |
| [18:37:05] | juski: | nobody is born with C++ fu |
| [18:37:05] | wagnerrp: | diamond keyboard just uses the 5-way |
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| [18:37:19] | wagnerrp: | you split the alphabet into fourths, and each direction takes a fourth |
| [18:37:42] | juski: | there are a multitude of ways you could have an alphabetic search facility |
| [18:37:49] | wagnerrp: | its three presses to any letter |
| [18:38:07] | juski: | wagnerrp: try training a wife to do that |
| [18:38:35] | sebrock: | juski, I got the export working. Was a bug in the ubuntu packages. However my files get these names when running my jobs: %t_-__00_(08).avi |
| [18:38:45] | messerting: | Hi folks, I'm trying to configure my pretty newly cleaned mythtv installation, but my backend complains about "Could not connect to server "" @ port -1" |
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| [18:38:54] | juski: | a bug, meaning they don't supply a decent ffmpeg with all the stuff you need enabled |
| [18:39:03] | wagnerrp: | messerting: usually means youre not running mysql |
| [18:39:07] | juski: | ooo software patents! |
| [18:39:28] | sebrock: | no juski, ffmpeg changed it's options. It was fixed in trunk 5 months ago :P |
| [18:39:49] | juski: | sebrock: but xvid & mp3 are disabled in ubuntu's ffmpeg packages |
| [18:39:59] | messerting: | wagnerrp: "mysqld (pid 2080) is running..." |
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| [18:40:23] | messerting: | could it be backend/frontend communication? |
| [18:40:24] | sebrock: | yes, but I enabled it when compiling. It was the ffmpeg options that took some time |
| [18:40:35] | CoreDump|cf-18: | are there any working PCIe DVB-T dual tuners? |
| [18:40:36] | wagnerrp: | the backend doesnt care about the frontend |
| [18:40:50] | wagnerrp: | and the frontend cannot exist until the backend is brought online |
| [18:40:50] | juski: | sebrock: ah so you built it yourself. About the only way to get the options you need to do anything *useful* |
| [18:41:02] | juski: | CoreDump|cf-18: try the wiki at linuxtv.org |
| [18:41:12] | juski: | one or two are listed there. YMMV |
| [18:41:35] | wagnerrp: | i believe the HVR-2200 should work |
| [18:41:39] | messerting: | wagnerrp: hm ok, need to check my settings.. |
| [18:41:50] | CoreDump|cf-18: | the wiki lists the HVR-1200 but it is a single tuner card and I'm rapidly running out of PCI/PCIe slots =) |
| [18:41:54] | juski: | I wish Hauppauge would do more dual tuner cards rather than all that hybrid crap they keep churning out |
| [18:41:57] | sebrock: | juski, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/369219 |
| [18:42:02] | wagnerrp: | although the drivers were independent of v4l-dvb for now |
| [18:42:24] | juski: | CoreDump|cf-18: if you get desperate, there's the DVB-T HDHR |
| [18:42:38] | juski: | or (eek!) USB but I wouldn't trust that as far as I could throw it |
| [18:42:43] | wagnerrp: | i know the HVR-2250 (dual ATSC/QAM) tuner is supported, i believe the 2200 is picked up with the same drivers |
| [18:42:48] | juski: | (disconnect).. (disconnect).. |
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| [18:43:36] | juski: | I hope I can keep my current backend (a 10 year old machine) in business .. you don't get many boards with 5 PCI slots these days |
| [18:43:51] | juski: | and PCIe really hasn't set the world of TV tuner cards on fire yet |
| [18:44:02] | sebrock: | juski, do you know whats wrong with the filenames I get when exporting: %t_-__00_(08).avi |
| [18:44:17] | sebrock: | running user-job: nuvexport-xvid --nice 19 --input="%FILE%" |
| [18:44:20] | juski: | nopr |
| [18:44:32] | CoreDump|cf-18: | juski: I'm running a single and a dual USB tuner ATM, will add one more dual in a few days, but yeah,the USB thingys can get messy\ |
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| [18:44:59] | juski: | CoreDump|cf-18: decent mobos with real PCI in good numbers are still available. you just have to look hard |
| [18:45:46] | wagnerrp: | and you can always get an (expensive) expansion backplane |
| [18:46:18] | juski: | cheaper than the expansion backplane would be to build slave backend machine(s) |
| [18:46:40] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you can pick up an old 32-bit AthXP or P4 for not much |
| [18:46:43] | wagnerrp: | turn off the jobqueue |
| [18:46:49] | CoreDump|cf-18: | wagnerrp: ouch, the 2200 is a quad tuner card (2x analog, 2x dvb-t) |
| [18:46:50] | CoreDump|cf-18: | juski: yeah, but I didn't built the machine with a media center in mind. It was meant to be my buildmachine for s/w builds\ |
| [18:47:07] | wagnerrp: | and now with the upcoming 0.22, independently standby the slave backend when not in use |
| [18:47:11] | juski: | time for some realism then :D |
| [18:47:18] | wagnerrp: | CoreDump|cf-18: no, it is a dual hybrid tuner |
| [18:47:34] | wagnerrp: | you have two tuners, and each can operated in either analog or digital mode |
| [18:47:41] | wagnerrp: | however the analog mode is not currently supported |
| [18:47:47] | juski: | I'm trying to burn a new distro CD to install linux on my old desktop machine. K3B is being an ass though |
| [18:48:04] | CoreDump|cf-18: | If I ever get to it, I'll build a dedicated mythbox with a nice living-room friendly case |
| [18:48:30] | wagnerrp: | juski: honestly, windows is the only OS disk ive burned in the last 4 years |
| [18:49:04] | juski: | GuySoft: I don't know/care. I am not your personal support monkey |
| [18:49:19] | CoreDump|cf-18: | thanks for the suggestions, for the time being, I will investigate the HVR-2200 =) |
| [18:49:20] | wagnerrp: | everything else, i have have a network boot image for installations |
| [18:49:36] | wagnerrp: | CoreDump|cf-18: make sure it is actually supported before buying one |
| [18:49:42] | wagnerrp: | i dont know for certain |
| [18:50:30] | juski: | GuySoft: what I DO know is that you've never been able to specify an external player for mythtv's RECORDINGS |
| [18:50:38] | juski: | and you STILL cannot |
| [18:51:20] | juski: | I told you you could probably fix the prebuffering pause problem if you set your mind to it, then you can use the LATM patch |
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| [18:51:26] | wagnerrp: | juski: technically you can add the recording directory to mythvideo, and set a external player, and.... im gonna shaddup now |
| [18:51:30] | juski: | but did you listen? Did you f*** |
| [18:51:49] | juski: | so that's it. I'm washing my hands of the problem :) |
| [18:51:49] | CoreDump|cf-18: | wagnerrp: no worries. I'm pretty used to the Linux Hardware game |
| [18:53:17] | wagnerrp: | juski: he PMing your or something? |
| [18:53:45] | ** wagnerrp sees no discussion from GuySoft ** | |
| [18:54:19] | CoreDump|cf-18: | I was about to say. GuySoft hasn't said a word in like three hours =) |
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| [18:57:16] | ** GuySoft confused ** | |
| [18:57:19] | GuySoft: | i am here.. |
| [18:57:58] | wagnerrp: | but you havent been saying anything much less something that would have pissed juski off |
| [18:58:05] | wagnerrp: | unless he actually means sebrock |
| [18:58:07] | GuySoft: | juski, i am trying to figure out where the prebuffring error is coming from, but i really need guidance. i am not that much of a developer ye |
| [18:58:23] | GuySoft: | yet* |
| [18:58:44] | messerting: | So, I'm running both the frontend and the backend on the same machine, and keep getting lockups (3–10secs) and the following in the backend log: " RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket): Could not connect to server "" @ port -1" |
| [18:59:06] | messerting: | Do I need to allow for remote logins to my mysql server? |
| [18:59:11] | GuySoft: | juski, i thought i might try and see if i get the prebuffer error in trunk, but i have problems getting the patch to compile in trunk, i tried manually patching it.. and see if there are any errors, but still no luck |
| [18:59:17] | wagnerrp: | do you have remote systems? |
| [18:59:31] | messerting: | I do have a laptop that once was connected, but not now |
| [18:59:37] | sebrock: | what |
| [19:00:07] | wagnerrp: | if you have remote systems, or connect to the mysql server through the network address (not localhost), you need remote access |
| [19:00:32] | messerting: | ok, but why am I getting this while no remote systems are connected? |
| [19:00:51] | messerting: | could it be because I've set the IP address and not the hostname in the config? |
| [19:01:07] | wagnerrp: | in the mysql config, or mythtv-setup? |
| [19:01:30] | messerting: | in mythtv-setup I've used the IP address, but in the frontend setup I used the hostname... |
| [19:01:49] | CoreDump|cf-18: | messerting: server "" @ port -1" sounds like your local backend is not configured correctly |
| [19:01:49] | CoreDump|cf-18: | try replacing localhost with the actual IP of mzsql |
| [19:01:59] | wagnerrp: | mysql setup can use the hostname or ip address |
| [19:02:11] | wagnerrp: | anything pointing to the backend MUST be an ip address |
| [19:02:49] | messerting: | so, I'll try to change the frontend settings to IP address, thanks – brb :) |
| [19:03:47] | GuySoft: | juski, is there a way to debug mythtv in a usable way? |
| [19:04:14] | GuySoft: | juski, because all the errors dont help me find the line in the code |
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| [19:06:06] | messerting: | hm, it was actually already set to the IP address (in the frontend and in mythtv-setup) |
| [19:06:29] | messerting: | are there any other places where I can enter IP or hostname..? |
| [19:07:21] | messerting: | oh, just found this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/350559 "Re: Solved: Could not connect to server "" @ port -1" |
| [19:08:05] | messerting: | but I don't know how to do what he did – inserting NULL somewhere? |
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| [19:09:18] | sphery: | messerting: that guy's DB was broken by his manually editing the data inside it. If you haven't been editing the DB directly, your system should /not/ be similarly broken. |
| [19:10:00] | messerting: | sphery: ok, thanks – I wiped the db today and started from scratch. haven't edited anything manually |
| [19:10:02] | sphery: | messerting: please pastebin the output of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT * FROM settings WHERE value LIKE '%ServerIP%'; |
| [19:10:03] | tame: | is a tv capture card all i need to use mythtv? or is there some other preferred hardware? |
| [19:10:58] | sphery: | tame: tv capture card required for using the tv portion of myth (and myth probably isn't a good choice if you're not doing tv) |
| [19:11:42] | tame: | i want to setup a home dvr. we have cable. |
| [19:12:21] | messerting: | sphery: hm – there is a NULL there!: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1540714 |
| [19:12:59] | sphery: | tame: nvidia video cards tend to be easiest to set up, you /need/ a video card whose drivers support Xv at the least. You probably want a good Core 2 Duo or Athlon 64 X2 around 2.6Ghz (or better, better) or so for HDTV (and, IMHO, don't want to build a system for SDTV at this point) |
| [19:13:20] | sphery: | messerting: yep, that looks good |
| [19:13:51] | messerting: | sphery: ok – so there should be a NULL there, I see :) |
| [19:14:13] | sphery: | messerting: I'm guessing that you're just one of the users affected by the socket issue and it's eventually giving up and messing up and trying a garbage connection |
| [19:14:36] | sphery: | i.e. you have other failed attempts before the one you mention, and they're actually trying to hit the right server |
| [19:15:13] | messerting: | sphery: hm, okay – so I restart mythbackend and then look for the first error message? |
| [19:15:35] | messerting: | it could be "ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1002_20090823205600.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found." |
| [19:15:41] | messerting: | I get alot of those.. |
| [19:16:29] | sphery: | the first socket error |
| [19:16:43] | sphery: | i.e. if you get socket errors before any other errors, you're probably affected |
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| [19:17:07] | sphery: | (and if so, that means you're likely using a new distro, like Ubuntu 9.04 pr FC10+ or ...) |
| [19:17:52] | messerting: | sphery: err, like this one "MythSocket(1b15360:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected." |
| [19:18:00] | messerting: | F11 here, yes.. |
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| [19:18:32] | sphery: | yeah, new distros tend to get socket errors a lot |
| [19:18:37] | messerting: | but that error was from 7 hours ago, and I've restarted mythbackend several times since then |
| [19:19:02] | sphery: | one option is to try trunk--daniel has recently committed the first change to the socket code intended to fix the issue |
| [19:19:18] | sphery: | of course, the one he committed is the least important change |
| [19:19:26] | sphery: | (so it probably won't work there, yet, either) |
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| [19:19:40] | abqjp: | jst_home, What happens if you create a little shell script which just does an "exit 0", and tell myth to use that as your channel change program? |
| [19:19:55] | messerting: | I did try trunk a couple of days ago, but there myth insisted that my dvb-c card was a dvb-s card... |
| [19:19:59] | sphery: | messerting: but you may want to keep looking to see if it's something easier |
| [19:20:09] | Wicked: | ive been using 0.21-fixes on ubuntu9.04 and i have not seen any socket errors |
| [19:22:28] | abqjp: | jst_home, are you comfortable with mysql? If so, can you pastebin the result of "select * from cardinput;" ? |
| [19:23:33] | juski: | GuySoft: ok. Regarding the prebuffering pause problems. It's not likely to be caused by any change to the code. Try changing the buffering settings for audio in mythfrontend. I have suggested that several times and you have *never* said you'd tried that |
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| [19:30:36] | markl_: | is it possible to have mythmusic skip more than a few seconds when i hit the ffwd button? |
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| [19:33:19] | galorin: | Hey,is there a doc somewhere for setting up a nVidia card for s-video output only? |
| [19:33:55] | wagnerrp: | galorin: if you have nothing else connected, the nvidia card should default to the svideo output |
| [19:34:36] | galorin: | Maybe that's my problem then.. brb |
| [19:35:17] | wagnerrp: | note that you may have to have the TV ON when you start the X server, or it will not output anything |
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| [19:36:29] | galorin: | re-starting now, got myself a netbook that I use for my webby stuff |
| [19:37:00] | GuySoft: | ah juski left.. |
| [19:37:00] | GuySoft: | i have.. |
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| [19:42:27] | markl_: | looks like the rewind/ff skip amount is hard coded |
| [19:50:26] | wagnerrp: | apparently you can type in a number and hit left or right to skip |
| [19:51:35] | xris: | woot. irc on my phone. :) |
| [19:51:51] | wagnerrp: | i bet that took you half a minute to type |
| [19:53:40] | xris: | nah. full kb on my g1 |
| [19:54:20] | CoreDump|cf-18: | hehe |
| [19:54:22] | sebrock: | is out_aspect still a valid variable to nuvexport? |
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| [19:55:56] | xris: | i dont think i've changed that code |
| [19:56:07] | xris: | afk |
| [19:56:36] | sebrock: | k tnx |
| [19:57:08] | xris: | sebrock: I use out_aspect with my own stuff, so you can probably assume that it'll stay active. :) |
| [19:57:35] | xris: | afk for real. |
| [19:59:17] | sebrock: | aiight good to know |
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| [20:02:02] | galorin: | wee, I now have svideo output to my big, but old tele. :0 |
| [20:02:37] | galorin: | SCART cables are awesome. |
| [20:04:13] | galorin: | Next task, make my mythbackend shut down and wake up for recordings. |
| [20:06:07] | jst_home: | abqjp: sorry, didn't see your comments here, but I figured out the problem (and said so in #mythtv before I saw your comments here). |
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| [20:08:56] | jst_home: | abqjp: ideally, that setting would be disabled for a HD-PVR, or is there a reason to ever specify anything there when using a HD-PVR? |
| [20:10:48] | abqjp: | jst_home, I will look into that. |
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| [20:12:19] | jst_home: | abqjp: cool. I hacked around it by #if 0'ing out the code that was erroring out, but not being able to get into that situation would of course be better. Thanks for your help! |
| [20:13:01] | abqjp: | jst_home, the "Preset tuner to channel" help text says to leave it blank. Does it need to be worded different to make it more obvious what it is for? |
| [20:13:34] | ** jst_home goes back and looks at that ** | |
| [20:14:16] | jst_home: | abqjp: well, that does make it kind of clear doesn't it? :) |
| [20:14:51] | abqjp: | That code has not *specifically* to do with the HD-PVR, it is generic. So, I would rather leave it alone. |
| [20:14:51] | jst_home: | abqjp: obviously I didn't read that. :( |
| [20:15:06] | jst_home: | abqjp: fair enough |
| [20:15:10] | abqjp: | jst_home, glad is is working now. |
| [20:15:15] | abqjp: | s/is/it/ |
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| [20:15:23] | jst_home: | abqjp: me too! :) |
| [20:15:35] | jst_home: | abqjp: and no need for any local hacks any more :) |
| [20:15:37] | abqjp: | jst_home, what STB are you using? |
| [20:16:15] | jst_home: | abqjp: right now I've got it hooked up to a DirecTV H21, which will eventually be replaced with two H20 STBs |
| [20:16:34] | abqjp: | jst_home, you may want to add a note to the wiki to alert people not to make the same mistake. |
| [20:17:04] | abqjp: | jst_home, similar setup here. Using USB<->serial<->USB works well for controlling the channel changes on the Directv STBs. |
| [20:18:38] | jst_home: | abqjp: I just got two USB<->setrial converters too, but it seems like the ones I got don't work with the H21. Found the docs that state which ones do, so I'll order some other ones to test with |
| [20:18:53] | jst_home: | abqjp: out of curiosity, do you happen to know which converters you use? |
| [20:18:58] | abqjp: | jst_home, lately I have had the best luck with Dynex DX-UBDB9 |
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| [20:20:10] | jst_home: | abqjp: and do you have a H20 or a H21? |
| [20:20:50] | jst_home: | or neither? :) |
| [20:20:51] | abqjp: | I have one of each |
| [20:21:05] | jst_home: | ah, ok... and that converter works in both? |
| [20:21:11] | abqjp: | Yup. |
| [20:21:15] | jst_home: | cool! |
| [20:21:17] | jst_home: | thanks! |
| [20:21:39] | abqjp: | Make sure the USB is plugged into the Hxx at the time you turn the Hxx on, or it may not recognize it. |
| [20:22:38] | jst_home: | abqjp: yeah, I guessed that might be the case, so last night I pulled the plug in the H21 with the USB plugged in, but still no luck :( |
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| [20:22:52] | galorin: | quick question before venturing into the unknown.. just how well supported is swsusp2 + mythtv? |
| [20:23:13] | jst_home: | abqjp: do you happen to know what baudrate you're using with the channel changer scripts? I tried both 115200 and 9600, but nothing... |
| [20:23:20] | Wicked: | i wish there was way to make mythtv aware of if the cable box is off or on. turns out we lost power a few days ago...computers are on a UPS so they stayed on......got blank recordings for all my shows all week :( |
| [20:23:20] | abqjp: | jst_home, I then had to come up with udev rules to reliably "name" the USB->serial adaptor on the linux box based on which port it was plugged into. |
| [20:23:23] | kyler: | I just upgraded to 0.22.0~trunk21333–0ubuntu1 and now when I go to "Watch Recordings" I get no listings and there |
| [20:23:23] | kyler: | is "%["SUBTITLE"]"% %STARS% %DESCRIPTION%" at the bottom. |
| [20:23:46] | jst_home: | abqjp: so I'm guessing the el chapo converters I got just don't work with the STBs |
| [20:24:03] | jst_home: | abqjp: ah, yeah, I was wondering that too, as down the road I'll most likely have two... |
| [20:24:42] | nighthawk: | do the stbs read rs232? |
| [20:24:44] | abqjp: | jst_home, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1540802 |
| [20:25:01] | abqjp: | nighthawk, the Directv STBs have USB ports |
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| [20:25:16] | nighthawk: | oh, I see |
| [20:25:52] | abqjp: | nighthawk, one of the reasons I went with Directv instead of Dish --- I wanted reliable channel changes. |
| [20:26:20] | nighthawk: | db9 ports are fading into history |
| [20:26:44] | abqjp: | jst_home, the problem has nothing to do with the "cheapness" of the USB converter, but how old it is. You need OLD converters, because the Directv STBs don't have drivers for new ones. |
| [20:28:23] | abqjp: | jst_home, in that script I pasted, "/dev/hdpvrChannel0" is what I call the device to talk to my first HD-PVR, via a udev rule. |
| [20:29:31] | abqjp: | jst_home, http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p . . . l-Categories |
| [20:30:58] | jst_home: | abqjp: hard to argue with those prices :) |
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| [20:31:47] | abqjp: | jst_home, I cannot guarantee that that model still works, but it did 7 months ago. |
| [20:32:11] | jst_home: | abqjp: for that price I'm willing to risk it :) |
| [20:32:38] | kyler: | If I try to change my group filter I see the filters in my database so I think the connection is alright. It's just not showing the listing. |
| [20:33:05] | abqjp: | jst_home, Manufacturers sometimes change the internal chips they are using. |
| [20:34:20] | jst_home: | abqjp: per the DTV docs I found, the listed devices that are supported are all vendorID/productID 0x067B/0x2303 |
| [20:34:34] | jst_home: | abqjp: yeah, I could see that |
| [20:34:52] | jst_home: | abqjp: so it seems they might simply have one driver that they support, maybe |
| [20:36:09] | jst_home: | hmm, interesting... the converters I have are: Bus 003 Device 002: ID 067b:2303 Prolific Technology, Inc. PL2303 Serial Port |
| [20:36:28] | jst_home: | I wonder if my serial adapter between the two converters isn't what I think it is |
| [20:36:33] | abqjp: | jst_home, I have a few Sabrent SBT-USC1M which work great. Ordered a couple of more, and the new ones don't. Sabrent switched from the PL2303 to the PL2303X and the Directv STBs don't like the X version. |
| [20:37:21] | jst_home: | hmm, they do seem picky then... |
| [20:37:22] | abqjp: | jst_home, I can't try it now, because I don't have them anymore, but my memory is that even the X version just showed up as PL2303 in the Linux log. |
| [20:37:43] | jst_home: | abqjp: oh, interesting |
| [20:38:03] | jst_home: | abqjp: do you remember how you knew that they were the X version and not the PL2303 ones? |
| [20:38:34] | jst_home: | abqjp: was it clear from looking at the device, or could linux somehow tell? |
| [20:38:51] | wagnerrp: | another HDHR lib sync... ill have to see how recording off freebsd is doing later tonight |
| [20:38:57] | abqjp: | I complained to Sabrent when they did not work, and Sabrent explained that they had changed the chips. Sabrent was nice enough to exchange for older stock. I don't think they have any older stock left at this point. |
| [20:39:40] | jst_home: | ah, ok |
| [20:39:57] | abqjp: | wagnerrp, saw that. Can't decide to jump on it, or wait for someone else to verify it works ;-) |
| [20:40:22] | wagnerrp: | 0.21 worked fine with freebsd |
| [20:40:44] | wagnerrp: | but trunk outright refused to work until a month or so ago, an then it was buggy |
| [20:41:03] | abqjp: | jst_home, but then I found that the Dynex worked, so I ordered a hand-full of those as backups in case it became hard to find working units. |
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| [20:41:48] | jst_home: | abqjp: ok, I'll get some of those and see if they still work. Thanks for your input here! |
| [20:41:55] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i bought up a bunch of generic PL2303s about a month ago when someone had the for a couple dollars apiece |
| [20:42:13] | abqjp: | jst_home, let me know. |
| [20:42:18] | jst_home: | abqjp: you bet |
| [20:42:34] | abqjp: | wagnerrp, that work with the Directv STBs? |
| [20:42:43] | wagnerrp: | dont have a DTV stb |
| [20:42:53] | wagnerrp: | just needed something to talk to my UPS, modem, and firewall |
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| [20:43:04] | abqjp: | wagnerrp, Ah. The Directv STBs are very picky about which PL2303 they work with. |
| [20:43:43] | wagnerrp: | well they list as the same 067b:2303 |
| [20:43:53] | wagnerrp: | rev 3.00 |
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| [20:44:24] | kyler: | I upgraded and now my recorded shows don't display. I traced the mysql query and there are 277 rows returned. |
| [20:44:43] | kyler: | All I see is "%["SUBTITLE"]"% %STARS% %DESCRIPTION%" at the bottom. |
| [20:45:11] | abqjp: | kyler, sounds like mythbackend is not running. Or is a different version than the frontend. |
| [20:45:14] | wagnerrp: | 1TB WDs at target for $50 |
| [20:45:26] | abqjp: | Target sells HDs? |
| [20:45:28] | kyler: | abqjp: I just upgraded both to 0.22.0~trunk21333–0ubuntu1. |
| [20:45:37] | wagnerrp: | its an external drive |
| [20:45:41] | thedarkone: | hey all |
| [20:45:57] | abqjp: | kyler, check your mythbackend logs to make sure it upgraded the DB successfully. |
| [20:45:57] | thedarkone: | i tring to get serial port channel changer to work |
| [20:46:23] | thedarkone: | channel: /dev/ttyS0: Resource temporarily unavailable is what i get |
| [20:47:06] | kyler: | abqjp: It didn't upgrade successfully for a long time. I finally got the schema straight. I just noticed "DB Error (ProgramList::FromRecorded): [...] No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." Indeed, that is strange. |
| [20:47:18] | abqjp: | thedarkone, try something like "setserial /dev/ttyS0 uart none" |
| [20:47:44] | kyler: | I tried the query manually and it works fine. |
| [20:47:54] | wagnerrp: | and a $20 off $200 on newegg... if you use paypal |
| [20:48:01] | wagnerrp: | im surprised newegg even takes paypal |
| [20:49:11] | abqjp: | kyler, don't know. I would probably try restarting the backend, then the frontend and see what happens. |
| [20:51:21] | kyler: | abqjp: I've restarted a couple times. I'm not seeing that "strange" error now but I'm still not getting a listing. |
| [20:52:05] | abqjp: | kyler, sorry, I have not had that problem except for when the frontend and backend where out of sync. I have no idea why it is not working for you. |
| [20:52:20] | abqjp: | s/where/were/ |
| [20:52:36] | abqjp: | kyler, unless mysql is not running? |
| [20:52:38] | jst_home: | abqjp: I'm having trouble updating the wiki page... I created an account, activated it n' all, but the wiki says I don't have permission to edit the HD-PVR page on the wiki :( |
| [20:52:55] | jst_home: | abqjp: know who I could talk to about that? |
| [20:53:02] | abqjp: | jst_home, I think you have to re-login. |
| [20:53:21] | jst_home: | I even did that... trying one more time |
| [20:53:22] | abqjp: | jst_home, iamlindoro is the king of the wiki. |
| [20:54:47] | thedarkone: | now i get channel: /dev/ttyS0: Input/output error |
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| [20:55:17] | jst_home: | iamlindoro: ? |
| [20:55:29] | jst_home: | iamlindoro: yt?, even |
| [20:55:36] | juski: | heh I know why I've managed to burn 3 coasters with k3b now. Stupid ubuntu media monitoring nags! GRRR |
| [20:55:48] | abqjp: | !seen iamlindoro |
| [20:55:48] | MythLogBot: | iamlindoro is here and has been idle for 15 hours 24 minutes 7 seconds |
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| [20:57:05] | wagnerrp: | jst_home: i seem to be able to edit it just fine |
| [20:57:10] | wagnerrp: | are you sure youre logged in? |
| [20:57:34] | jst_home: | wagnerrp: yes, very... Not sure what's up there |
| [20:57:56] | cityLights: | wagnerrp: what is a reasnabol price for pvr-250 today? |
| [20:58:15] | wagnerrp: | cityLights: nothing |
| [20:58:34] | cityLights: | is 70 euro for pvr-500 reasnabol? |
| [20:58:38] | cityLights: | y |
| [20:58:39] | wagnerrp: | the 150 and 500s are much new, grab one of them instead |
| [20:58:46] | wagnerrp: | s/new/newer/ |
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| [20:59:23] | cityLights: | what is th 500s ? |
| [20:59:37] | wagnerrp: | over here, the 500s are readily available on ebay for <$50 |
| [21:00:16] | cityLights: | is the 500s dual ch? |
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| [21:00:36] | wagnerrp: | the 500 is basically two 150s slapped onto one board |
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| [21:01:06] | cityLights: | at 50$? |
| [21:02:09] | cityLights: | hmm a pvr-500 went at 72 euro on ebay |
| [21:02:29] | abqjp: | cityLights, http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-500 . . . p3286.c0.m14 |
| [21:03:03] | wagnerrp: | is the AverTV 150 just a rebranded PVR150? |
| [21:03:24] | abqjp: | http://tinyurl.com/kmxgfa |
| [21:04:07] | juski: | wagnerrp: not quite |
| [21:04:38] | wagnerrp: | someone has a lot of 3 on buy-it-now for $20 |
| [21:05:45] | cityLights: | 3? |
| [21:06:14] | cityLights: | thanks abqjp |
| [21:06:14] | wagnerrp: | two are functional, one needs someone with a soldering iron and a $0.10 capacitor from radio shack |
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| [21:06:34] | cityLights: | where? |
| [21:06:48] | cityLights: | i can solder... |
| [21:06:54] | wagnerrp: | ebay... but theyre NTSC, not for your consumption |
| [21:07:14] | cityLights: | hmm |
| [21:07:15] | juski: | wagnerrp: unless they're only needed for direct video input :) |
| [21:07:22] | juski: | in which case they should just work with PAL |
| [21:07:43] | wagnerrp: | well then you still have the oversees shipping issue |
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| [21:07:55] | cityLights: | what the addion mce mean? |
| [21:08:03] | wagnerrp: | media center edition |
| [21:08:19] | wagnerrp: | its a 'special' version for windows MCE |
| [21:08:22] | cityLights: | ir blaster too? |
| [21:08:37] | juski: | blimey. cheap just for the remote & IR blaster :) |
| [21:08:38] | wagnerrp: | usually comes with an MCE remote, or none at all (instead of the standard hauppauge grey) |
| [21:08:39] | ball: | What's a passable PCI (or PCIe) ATSC tuner card? |
| [21:08:55] | juski: | ball: see the linuxtv.org wiki & the mythtv wiki |
| [21:09:16] | ** ball bravely launches a Web browser ** | |
| [21:09:23] | wagnerrp: | also can come with a radio tuner, and has red/white audio inputs instead of a 1/8" jack |
| [21:09:39] | cityLights: | hmm |
| [21:09:51] | ball: | wagnerrp: wouldn't they be audio /outputs/ ? |
| [21:09:59] | juski: | ball: no |
| [21:10:01] | wagnerrp: | its a capture card, theyre inputs |
| [21:10:19] | ball: | Oh okay, I thought he was talking about a stand-alone radio tuner |
| [21:10:21] | cityLights: | other then that all th same? |
| [21:10:23] | juski: | it's a *proper* capture card. it encodes audio AND video on the same card |
| [21:10:42] | wagnerrp: | cityLights: for myth's purposes, there is no difference between the two |
| [21:11:11] | cityLights: | thanks |
| [21:11:15] | juski: | GuySoft: I have some good news for you. The LATM patch has been committed in trunk just now. Knock yourself out. If you still get prebuffering pauses, that's an ALSA issue or you've configured mythfrontend wrongly |
| [21:11:42] | ball: | linuxtv.org appears at first glance to be mostly about DVB |
| [21:11:52] | wagnerrp: | ball: thats what you asked for |
| [21:11:58] | juski: | ball: there's info about ATSC/QAM tuners too |
| [21:12:01] | ball: | If there's ATSC stuff, I'm going to have to mine for it |
| [21:12:06] | juski: | awww |
| [21:12:09] | ball: | juski: thanks |
| [21:12:17] | wagnerrp: | all digital tuners get lumped into the DVB subsystem in linux |
| [21:12:29] | juski: | look at it this way, doing a bit of research is going to stop you wasting your money! |
| [21:12:47] | cityLights: | right.... |
| [21:13:01] | juski: | if we had $1 for all the fools who buy first & ask questions later.. |
| [21:13:03] | juski: | ;-) |
| [21:13:15] | wagnerrp: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_Devices |
| [21:13:27] | cityLights: | what is LATM? |
| [21:13:46] | wagnerrp: | some enhancement to AC3, or maybe AAC |
| [21:13:49] | ball: | I wish I had $1 |
| [21:13:53] | wagnerrp: | its something to do with one of those audio codecs |
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| [21:15:30] | juski: | wagnerrp: basically a new way for broadcasters to save bandwidth & 'optimise' streams. A proper crock |
| [21:16:16] | wagnerrp: | low-overhead mp4 audio transport mechanism? |
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| [21:16:39] | juski: | aye |
| [21:16:56] | wagnerrp: | so its for radio channels only |
| [21:17:08] | jst_home: | abqjp: wiki updated. The wiki doesn't like my satellite internet connection, vnc:ing into a box on a regular network connection let me edit the page |
| [21:17:10] | juski: | you should see a sample of the video GuySoft posted earlier today. 2Mbit/sec 720x576 h.264. Looked awful |
| [21:17:59] | wagnerrp: | awful? 2mbps standard definition h264 should look great |
| [21:18:02] | juski: | wagnerrp: nah they use it on TV broadcasts too, much to the chagrin of many a user |
| [21:18:06] | juski: | wagnerrp: exactly |
| [21:18:18] | juski: | looked like it'd been through too many encode/decode cycles IMHO |
| [21:18:30] | iamlindoro: | in fairness, that country has been doing DVB for exactly 22 days |
| [21:18:38] | iamlindoro: | give them a day or two to get it right ;) |
| [21:18:42] | wagnerrp: | i mean my dvdrips usually only run 1–1.5mbps |
| [21:18:51] | juski: | the non-moving parts of the picture looked like a JPEG with compression whacked up |
| [21:19:03] | juski: | 22 days?! |
| [21:19:12] | ball: | Does MythTV record the MPEG2 stream from ATSC directly to disk, or does it (can it) transcode on the fly? |
| [21:19:15] | wagnerrp: | with no perceivable (to me anyway) difference from the source DVD |
| [21:19:17] | juski: | so there'll only be about 2 STBs in the whole of the country then |
| [21:19:18] | GuySoft: | juski, hey, i didnt get the chance to reply before, i did play quite a lot with the audio prebuffer options |
| [21:19:18] | iamlindoro: | juski, and only in trials |
| [21:19:20] | juski: | ball: the former |
| [21:19:32] | GuySoft: | juski, i gave up on trunk, so i am moving back to 0.21 |
| [21:19:32] | iamlindoro: | juski, and only in one city... so yeah :) |
| [21:19:33] | wagnerrp: | ball: mythtv only encodes from framegrabbers |
| [21:19:35] | juski: | GuySoft: anyway, it's in trunk now. Good luck |
| [21:19:35] | ball: | juski: Ah good, thanks. |
| [21:19:38] | wagnerrp: | everything else is just a file copy |
| [21:19:46] | juski: | GuySoft: as in do an svn up |
| [21:19:55] | wagnerrp: | and you dont want to use a framegrabber |
| [21:19:59] | GuySoft: | juski, i got some annoying problems there because latm_partser.c needs bitstream.h. which is not in trunk |
| [21:19:59] | ball: | (thanks wagnerrp too) |
| [21:20:15] | iamlindoro: | as juski mentioned, trunk no longer requires any patching for LATM |
| [21:20:20] | juski: | GuySoft: the whole thing is now in trunk and it works, or it wouldn't have been committed |
| [21:20:25] | iamlindoro: | as of... 10 or so minutes ago |
| [21:20:25] | ball: | wagnerrp: I have one of those, but it's pointless since the transition from NTSC to ATSC for terrestrial television here. |
| [21:20:33] | GuySoft: | iamlindoro, you wanted to see our terrible codec output? |
| [21:20:46] | juski: | GuySoft: and in future PLEASE just ask for help generally in channel. I won't always be around |
| [21:20:48] | wagnerrp: | ball: well, you still have analog cable, and analog capture from STBs |
| [21:20:58] | ** juski goes to watch some teevee ** | |
| [21:21:02] | iamlindoro: | nope, I did not |
| [21:21:27] | GuySoft: | juski, i seem to have connection problems, i am getting your replies in waves |
| [21:21:31] | iamlindoro: | !seen kormoc |
| [21:21:31] | MythLogBot: | kormoc was last seen 3 days 20 hours 39 minutes 38 seconds ago |
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| [21:21:58] | wagnerrp: | hes abandoned us |
| [21:22:04] | cityLights: | guySoft: pls update me |
| [21:22:06] | wagnerrp: | ...i dont know if ill be able to go on... |
| [21:22:16] | GuySoft: | juski, sorry i bug you, you just seem to be the most useful person around.. ill try bugging you less to keep you that way |
| [21:22:52] | GuySoft: | iamlindoro, well i compiled trunk with no patch.. and i get no sound. so something must be worng |
| [21:23:02] | kyler: | There isn't commercial MythTV support available yet, is there? |
| [21:23:07] | iamlindoro: | yes, it's sitting in the chair |
| [21:23:18] | iamlindoro: | Did you compile trunk from the last ten minutes? |
| [21:23:46] | GuySoft: | iamlindoro, i can make install it again if you like, and give you exact output. however i gave up on it |
| [21:23:56] | iamlindoro: | jesus christ |
| [21:23:57] | iamlindoro: | "<iamlindoro> Did you compile trunk from the last ten minutes?" |
| [21:24:09] | GuySoft: | cityLights, i have been compiling even more. even tried going over the patches code.. still no luc |
| [21:24:19] | laga: | rotfl |
| [21:24:19] | iamlindoro: | as in, did you svn up and build *WITH A DISTCLEAN AS MENTIONED IN THE COMMIT* in the last ten minutes |
| [21:24:24] | GuySoft: | iamlindoro, no.. i did not.. about an hour ago? why? any news? |
| [21:24:28] | iamlindoro: | survey says: no you did not |
| [21:24:40] | ** iamlindoro tears up his program, tosses it in the air, walks out ** | |
| [21:24:48] | kyler: | iamlindoro: You really should get paid. |
| [21:25:05] | GuySoft: | iamlindoro, right, i only check RSS once a day, let me have alok |
| [21:25:07] | GuySoft: | a look* |
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| [21:25:27] | iamlindoro: | kyler, I strongly support that idea ;) |
| [21:26:13] | kyler: | iamlindoro: Hey, I'd even use Paypal (which I detest) if it meant getting my "upgraded" system back online. |
| [21:26:36] | GuySoft: | iamlindoro, ill re-checkout .. just so it will look ok |
| [21:26:47] | iamlindoro: | kyler, it's the wrong weekend to be looking for help, many of us are trying to get last minute things done before Myth's feature freeze |
| [21:27:02] | iamlindoro: | so you're left to the tender mercies of this channel, god help you |
| [21:27:03] | GuySoft: | done a lot of file edits, just in case something was left |
| [21:27:11] | kyler: | iamlindoro: Yeah, I understand. I'm trying to figure out how easily I can revert. |
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| [21:28:56] | ball: | Blimey, some of these cards have dual tuners on them. Does it take a lot of processing power to record two DTV streams at once, perhaps while playing back a third from disk? |
| [21:29:48] | kyler: | ball: I have four PVR-150s in my backend and I've played while recording on all of them. |
| [21:30:01] | kyler: | DTV, though? You mean HDTV? |
| [21:30:14] | iamlindoro: | he means digital TV |
| [21:30:17] | ball: | kyler: Would it be sensible to go for a multicore CPU for that kind of box? |
| [21:30:25] | iamlindoro: | ball, recording digital television takes next to no processing power to record |
| [21:30:49] | iamlindoro: | as in, you could do it on ancient hardware, so long as you had the disk bandwidth to write the (trivial sized) streams |
| [21:30:53] | GuySoft: | iamlindoro, before i waste an hour , i am using: ./configure --enable-proc-opt --enable-opengl-video --disable-directfb --enable-libfaad .. scream if anything is worng |
| [21:31:03] | kyler: | ball: Get multicore for handling commercial processing and stuff (like software RAID). |
| [21:31:42] | ball: | Hmm... does L2 (and L3) cache size make much of a difference? |
| [21:31:55] | ball: | (does it contribute to this kind of application)? |
| [21:32:10] | iamlindoro: | for recording, not in the slightest |
| [21:33:15] | ball: | ...for playback? |
| [21:33:40] | iamlindoro: | it helps, though not in any game-changing way |
| [21:33:51] | ball: | Thanks |
| [21:33:51] | iamlindoro: | not such that I would shop by cache size, anyway |
| [21:34:08] | ball: | For front end, would a Sempron 140 or perhaps an Atom suffice? |
| [21:34:27] | iamlindoro: | depends what you're hoping to play |
| [21:34:45] | ball: | I suppose the video hardware in question would make a difference too. |
| [21:34:52] | iamlindoro: | would probably struggle mightily, especially if you hope to play anything besides SD streams |
| [21:34:58] | ball: | iamlindoro: mostly SD stuff I think |
| [21:35:16] | iamlindoro: | I would personally buy better hardware than that |
| [21:35:28] | kyler: | BTW, I think I might be getting some of these...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500027 |
| [21:35:37] | iamlindoro: | at *least* an ION box if you want atom hardware, but for my money a decent C2D will be better |
| [21:36:19] | ball: | iamlindoro: Okay, so even for just a "front end" (which I think is the "set-top box" player) I should go for something with more OOMPH? |
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| [21:36:59] | iamlindoro: | depends on whether you intend to rely on hardware decode (VDPAU)... i personally would buy for the case that it fails/does not deal well w/ damaged streams, as it often does |
| [21:37:39] | ** ball goes away to look up VDPAU ** | |
| [21:37:42] | josh_: | Is there a way to do a kind of "reverse X forwarding" ? I want to run something on my frontend's display by logging into SSH from a remote machine |
| [21:38:03] | kyler: | josh_: x2x |
| [21:38:17] | ball: | josh_: can't you just specify the local X server? |
| [21:38:20] | kyler: | kyler: And that's only if you want to control the X program remotely. |
| [21:38:22] | AndyCap: | josh_: is the software on the machine you're logging into or your own? |
| [21:38:27] | ball: | (local to the set-top box that is) |
| [21:38:37] | josh_: | AndyCap, they're both my machines on the local network |
| [21:38:46] | josh_: | Anduin, my frontend doesnt have a keyboard / mouse. |
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| [21:38:49] | AndyCap: | josh_: not what I meant |
| [21:39:11] | josh_: | Anduin, oh, It would all be softtware local to the mythtv frontend. |
| [21:39:33] | AndyCap: | josh_: DISPLAY=:0.0 mplayer for instance? |
| [21:39:49] | AndyCap: | if you're the same user as the one logged in xauth shouldn't give you any trouble |
| [21:39:52] | josh_: | ball, that' seems logical, any to specify it in a bash variable so it's always done? |
| [21:40:09] | ball: | josh_: $DISPLAY? |
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| [21:41:11] | ** ball ponders disk options ** | |
| [21:41:21] | josh_: | let me piddle with that for a second, thanks |
| [21:47:31] | ball: | josh_ piddles while Rome burns (or something ;-) |
| [21:47:55] | ball: | I have to go. Mrs. ball is evicting me from the computer. |
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| [21:51:15] | GuySoft: | iamlindoro, compiling, when its done ill tell you if my problems are solved : |
| [21:51:17] | GuySoft: | :) |
| [22:00:46] | Dibblah: | Hmm. I really wish f-myth-users would assign a damn name or alias or something. |
| [22:01:25] | GreyFoxx: | I wish he would fix his quoting... though to be fair is is better now than when he started posting :) |
| [22:02:26] | iamlindoro: | Dibblah, bravo for that response |
| [22:02:45] | iamlindoro: | have been thinking/saying the same to myself for a long time :) |
| [22:03:03] | Dibblah: | It's been annoying me ever since he joined the list :( |
| [22:03:09] | iamlindoro: | I'm baffled at what he expects from those tickets |
| [22:03:40] | iamlindoro: | patches for .18, and the more invasive one does something a dev (kormoc + sphery) already explained to him on the list is an awful idea |
| [22:04:23] | ** Dibblah feels sorry for sphery – "However, as I get /only/ OTA broadcasts in the US, none of them actually contain any nudity." ** | |
| [22:04:32] | cityLights: | GuySoft: tell me also if its dvb-t |
| [22:05:50] | Dibblah: | Oooooh. FMU is hiding out here! |
| [22:06:09] | Dibblah: | Either that or reading the logs. |
| [22:06:13] | iamlindoro: | yeah, think the latter |
| [22:06:28] | Dibblah: | BTW, Hi FMU! |
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| [22:08:40] | laga: | f-myth-users@media.mit.edu – might be a group account? o_O |
| [22:10:43] | Dibblah: | I'm pretty sure it's just an alias. |
| [22:10:44] | Shadow__X: | yeah who would of thought there would be people full of themselves there |
| [22:10:50] | Shadow__X: | 0- |
| [22:10:56] | Dibblah: | The same tone and structure is used throughout. |
| [22:11:16] | Dibblah: | And the tendency to be over-verbose. |
| [22:11:22] | laga: | Shadow__X: s/of/have/ – thanks. that sentence would be really hard to parse for the not-so-native speakers |
| [22:11:45] | Shadow__X: | sorry about that |
| [22:12:41] | iamlindoro: | other ones that bother me are "all of a sudden" vs. "all of the sudden" :) |
| [22:13:16] | Shadow__X: | i will pay moar attention in enguish classes |
| [22:13:41] | iamlindoro: | that's some anguished enguish |
| [22:14:51] | Dibblah: | to all intense purposes... |
| [22:15:11] | laga: | '(w|c)ould of' is way more annoying because 'of' is already a word, as opposed to 'cos' |
| [22:15:12] | Dibblah: | (I wish my eyeballs had not been subjected to that) |
| [22:15:27] | laga: | we have enough ambiguity already, kthx |
| [22:15:28] | laga: | Dibblah: heh |
| [22:17:21] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [22:17:33] | ** sid3windr doesn't understand how one can do the "could of" stuff ** | |
| [22:17:44] | sid3windr: | don't people in US -know- what things mean they are saying? |
| [22:17:44] | sid3windr: | :/ |
| [22:18:13] | sid3windr: | (yes, I do know how to generalize ;) |
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| [22:22:53] | GuySoft: | cityLights, i am working only on the DVB-T |
| [22:23:06] | GuySoft: | cityLights, BTW, i tried scanning in Tel-Aviv.. there is no reception there. |
| [22:24:11] | GuySoft: | i was next to the military head quarters.. it might be that they are creating an interference.. |
| [22:24:33] | GuySoft: | or that the antennas are just not there yet. |
| [22:24:50] | Dibblah: | of sounds like have and is shorter. Duuuh. |
| [22:25:22] | laga: | Dibblah: please drop it, it's making me sad :( |
| [22:27:05] | Dibblah: | I could care less about it. |
| [22:27:10] | Dibblah: | Oh, sorry. ;) |
| [22:27:23] | laga: | :) |
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| [22:30:18] | Dibblah: | English is badly used because it's used badly. |
| [22:30:25] | Dibblah: | But that's just begging the question. |
| [22:33:12] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [22:33:36] | sid3windr: | shuda wuda cuda! |
| [22:34:16] | sid3windr: | I guess you can't have your cake and eat it too. <sic> |
| [22:34:37] | Dibblah: | Actually, you can. |
| [22:34:47] | Dibblah: | American Pie stylee. |
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| [22:51:58] | thedarkone: | can some help me setup serial channel changer? |
| [22:52:42] | ** GuySoft waits impatiently for the compile to finish ** | |
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| [23:02:34] | kyler: | sid3windr: I usta know. |
| [23:02:59] | sid3windr: | (no) |
| [23:03:09] | sid3windr: | ;) |
| [23:03:13] | kyler: | sid3windr: (I was responding to an old comment. Sorry, I'm in schema upgrade hell.) |
| [23:03:17] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [23:03:21] | sid3windr: | I figured ;) |
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| [23:03:30] | sid3windr: | high latency on irc is not unexpected |
| [23:03:42] | sid3windr: | but really, should have been "usta no" :P |
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| [23:04:53] | kyler: | sid3windr: Google "Thank's alot" and get back to me. |
| [23:05:18] | sid3windr: | your already making me cry buy just thinking about it! |
| [23:05:53] | kyler: | sid3windr: Back in the day I had a page full of (Alta Vista) searches like that. |
| [23:06:06] | sid3windr: | if this were a monologue I'd have replied "their their" to myself :] |
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| [23:29:18] | GuySoft: | iamlindoro, just done compiling, i get all the time h264 @ 0xb6fde280]non-existing SPS 31 referenced in buffering period |
| [23:39:13] | sid3windr: | #4872 !! \o/ |
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| [23:44:46] | GuySoft: | http://pastebin.com/m49b6daab .. and you can test it now with the file example http://gnet.homelinux.com/files/test_output.mpg |
| [23:46:26] | kyler: | Whew! I tried reverting to an older version of Myth. That didn't go well. I've been trying to get my schema back ever since. Finally got it. |
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