| Wednesday, August 19th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:15] | wagnerrp: | looks like linux/gnome's version of C# |
| [00:00:38] | sphery: | xris: kormoc already did that. It's one file/one line: <?php echo "Application Error (Rails)" ?> |
| [00:00:49] | sphery: | he thought of doing it in plain HTML, but figured that was a cheat |
| [00:01:41] | sphery: | wagnerrp: and http://blogs.gnome.org/lharris/2009/02/23/why . . . -everything/ |
| [00:01:59] | wagnerrp: | sphery: so mythweb is going to get its own webserver now? rather than relying on that antiquated apache? |
| [00:01:59] | sphery: | It's the one everyone is gushing about, now |
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| [00:02:45] | GreyFoxx: | Heheh I saw that and thought of Vala from SG1 :) |
| [00:03:00] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: yeah, that's the other best part of it... See: http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2007/ . . . less-fat.ars |
| [00:03:08] | sphery: | (her pic is on that one) |
| [00:03:13] | wagnerrp: | the answer to the universe, is the mother of its destoryer? |
| [00:03:44] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: heh |
| [00:03:50] | xris: | wagnerrp: I've actually considered rewriting mythweb in c++ to just integrate it with the backend. but then I got sober. |
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| [00:03:59] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [00:04:00] | sphery: | IMHO, though, anything that replaces C# on non-Windows systems is a good thing. |
| [00:04:38] | sphery: | Mono is something you go to the doctor to get rid of--not a good idea for programming. |
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| [00:06:09] | wagnerrp: | apparently today, newegg is replacing all mail-in-rebates with instant ones |
| [00:06:20] | sphery: | today only or from now on? |
| [00:06:27] | wagnerrp: | today |
| [00:06:31] | kormoc: | sad |
| [00:06:45] | sphery: | if they actually sold any 45W dual-core AMD proc's, I'd buy some stuff today |
| [00:06:47] | ** kormoc wonders when the 2gb wd black is going to be out ** | |
| [00:06:59] | sphery: | in 1995? |
| [00:07:03] | kormoc: | erm |
| [00:07:04] | kormoc: | 2tb |
| [00:07:11] | sphery: | ahh, that might be later |
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| [00:50:45] | blackest_knight: | i just found the most useful thing for a mythtv frontend |
| [00:51:23] | blackest_knight: | http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=3288 use a windows mobile device as bluetooth keyboard and mouse |
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| [00:54:37] | blackest_knight: | did i just speak heracy? |
| [00:54:50] | CoreDump|home: | or symbion, or the SE OS, or Linux |
| [00:56:43] | blackest_knight: | practically all the frontend stuff is mapped to keyboard and while a phone is a bit over kill its got to be as good as ir if not better |
| [00:57:10] | CoreDump|home: | HID is a basic part of the BT spec. I've been using it for ages. |
| [00:57:10] | CoreDump|home: | anyway, good night channel |
| [00:57:10] | CoreDump|home is now known as CoreDump|Zzz | |
| [00:57:43] | blackest_knight: | should work out ok then :) |
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| [01:07:23] | wagnerrp: | $9 seems a bit overkill, when there is an app that interfaces with mythfrontend's control socket, and does much the same thing |
| [01:08:03] | wagnerrp: | depends on how many bluetooth devices you have that may need controlling |
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| [01:14:34] | josh_: | sphery, I take back my comment earlier regarding scte65scan |
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| [01:14:48] | sphery: | josh_: did it help you find more? |
| [01:14:58] | josh_: | I had to build the program with the hdhomerun libs, and it's actually doing a frequency / transport scan |
| [01:15:09] | josh_: | It's picking up a lot of channel locks, not finished with the scan yet |
| [01:15:15] | josh_: | I'm *extremely* hopeful though |
| [01:15:18] | sphery: | so looks like it might get more? |
| [01:15:19] | sphery: | good |
| [01:15:23] | sphery: | hope it works for you |
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| [01:15:42] | josh_: | If it does, It's gonna make me a fanboy for life |
| [01:15:50] | sphery: | if it's working well, the trunk scanner would likely have worked for you, too. |
| [01:16:18] | sphery: | the big difference is the trunk scanner doesn't yet understand how to read the scte tables, so you'd end up without all the data needed to match up xmltvid's automatically |
| [01:16:26] | josh_: | sphery, you mean the channel scanner has changed in trunk? |
| [01:16:29] | sphery: | eventually that will go into Myth, but might not be 'til after 0.22 |
| [01:16:48] | sphery: | yeah, much different--and the hdhomerun libs are much updated, too |
| [01:16:59] | sphery: | but your best bet is using -fixes with scte65scan |
| [01:17:05] | sphery: | as the scte support isn't in trunk, yet, either |
| [01:17:13] | josh_: | sphery, agreed, i'm not brave enough to run trunk |
| [01:17:18] | josh_: | okay, done scanning |
| [01:17:24] | josh_: | did not give me any results though |
| [01:17:33] | sphery: | yeah, I'm not brave enough to run trunk, and I'm doing development on Myth :) |
| [01:17:38] | clever: | 2009-08–18 22:17:01.334 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 0 items in 3.5 = 0.09 match + 3.44 place |
| [01:17:42] | clever: | ok, what broke..... |
| [01:17:53] | sphery: | (I have -fixes on my production systems and have a development box that's the only one running trunk.) |
| [01:18:14] | sphery: | clever: input connections? |
| [01:18:28] | sphery: | I have a day-old trunk on my dev box and it's scheduling fine |
| [01:18:53] | sphery: | josh_: :( |
| [01:19:03] | clever: | sphery: checking... |
| [01:19:26] | sphery: | josh_: are you positive you're using the right VCT_ID? |
| [01:19:35] | josh_: | sphery, actually, no, I'm not |
| [01:19:46] | josh_: | sphery, I had to run next door to a neighbor with a motorola box |
| [01:19:50] | sphery: | TTBOMK, with the wrong one, it won't work (won't give you anything) |
| [01:20:01] | josh_: | hmm. |
| [01:20:15] | josh_: | supposedly if it's wrong you'll still get data, it just won't be accurate? |
| [01:20:17] | sphery: | and you got it from the Current Channel Status thing? |
| [01:20:29] | josh_: | eg, I live in Houston but I'll get Milwaulkee data |
| [01:20:43] | josh_: | sphery, that's the section that I found the string I'm using |
| [01:20:53] | sphery: | hmmm. |
| [01:20:54] | josh_: | sphery, but it wasn't labeled "VCT_ID" |
| [01:21:01] | josh_: | it actually wasnt labelled at all |
| [01:21:22] | sphery: | might want to ask someone who's actually used it |
| [01:22:05] | sphery: | one who has (and who understands it well) usually hangs out here, but is busy tonight (i am lindoro)... |
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| [01:22:07] | josh_: | I'll probably swing by comcast tomorrow and see if they'll give me that convertor box |
| [01:22:20] | sphery: | if you hang out, you'll probably find someone |
| [01:22:39] | sphery: | just keep mentioning scte65scan and eventually someone will be able to help :) |
| [01:22:49] | josh_: | haha, thanks for turning me on to it |
| [01:22:49] | sphery: | or could try posting to -users list |
| [01:23:20] | sphery: | there are a couple threads on it there: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine? . . . sb=post_time |
| [01:23:25] | clever: | sphery: svideo on /dev/video0 is connected to 'digital cable', just like it should be |
| [01:24:01] | sphery: | clever: what do you get from: mythbackend --printsched |
| [01:24:01] | clever: | what else could have broken it? |
| [01:24:13] | sphery: | can you get to LiveTV? |
| [01:24:36] | clever: | --- print list start --- |
| [01:24:39] | clever: | --- print list end --- |
| [01:25:36] | clever: | sphery: http://privatepaste.com/fajccWsOAa |
| [01:25:55] | clever: | though livetv rarely works |
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| [01:26:38] | josh_: | I keep getting PID 0x1ffc timeout |
| [01:26:38] | josh_: | , whatever that is |
| [01:26:52] | josh_: | and it only returns that error on frequencies it gets a lock on |
| [01:27:04] | sphery: | clever: I'm thinking you're getting the ubiquitous socket errors: # |
| [01:27:06] | sphery: | 2009-08–18 22:24:58.746 3018148704 MythSocket(8333250:34): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick). |
| [01:27:22] | clever: | sphery: those are normal, livetv allways takes 10 tries to work |
| [01:27:26] | sphery: | if that's happening enough, it can mess things up like you see |
| [01:27:48] | clever: | it never messed with scheduling before |
| [01:28:15] | sphery: | I'd start by restarting the mbe |
| [01:28:23] | sphery: | if that doesn't help, I don't know what could be causing it |
| [01:28:25] | clever: | i did after reloading ivtv |
| [01:28:37] | clever: | the webcam loaded before ivtv again, so video0 was the webcam |
| [01:29:01] | clever: | restarting it again |
| [01:29:39] | clever: | 2009-08–18 22:29:31.791 Reschedule requested for id -1. |
| [01:30:46] | thedarkone: | hey all |
| [01:31:07] | clever: | 2009-08–18 22:30:57.864 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 449 items in 65.8 = 2.48 match + 63.30 place |
| [01:31:10] | clever: | working now :S |
| [01:31:13] | thedarkone: | i am getting fios tv installed can mythtv handle it? |
| [01:31:50] | clever: | sphery: though the joystick has stoped working |
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| [01:32:59] | clever: | 2009-08–18 22:32:43.982 3018521440 JoystickMenuThread: Initialization of /dev/input/js0 succeeded using config file /media/mainlv/home/mythtv/.mythtv/joystickmenurc |
| [01:33:24] | clever: | ahh yeah, i think the calibration gets screwed up when i reconnect it |
| [01:33:29] | clever: | must happen on reboot also |
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| [01:37:37] | clever: | seems to be working now |
| [01:38:24] | sphery: | cool |
| [01:38:36] | sphery: | sounds like "transient socket errors" :) |
| [01:39:19] | clever: | i think its more related to the recent power outage |
| [01:39:36] | clever: | was running the optimize/repair db script while i waited for answers |
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| [01:40:36] | sphery: | clever: ahhh... crashed db tables would do it, too :) |
| [01:42:51] | PacketScan is now known as packetscan | |
| [01:43:14] | blackest_knight: | this is kinda cool seems i've owned a bluetooth keyboard and mouse for years and didnt realise |
| [01:44:45] | blackest_knight: | you can use a windows mobile device :) |
| [01:44:46] | blackest_knight: | |
| [01:45:59] | blackest_knight: | Who says windows and linux cant mix |
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| [01:51:03] | clever: | sphery: whats worse, is that i have another crashed table thats been repairing for the past 1hr 29mins 55secs |
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| [01:51:57] | sphery: | wow |
| [01:52:05] | sphery: | let me guess, recordedseek? |
| [01:52:21] | clever: | sphery: non-mythtv |
| [01:52:22] | clever: | -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 4.5G 2009-08–19 01:20 /media/earth/countryhistory.MYD |
| [01:52:25] | sphery: | ah, yeah |
| [01:52:36] | clever: | -rw-rw---- 1 mysql mysql 3.3G 2009-08–19 01:20 /media/earth/countryhistory.MYI |
| [01:52:38] | sphery: | none of the other myth tables could possibly take that long--even on slow hardware |
| [01:52:42] | clever: | the index alone is massive:P |
| [01:52:45] | sphery: | so I figured it was either that or non-myth |
| [01:52:48] | josh_: | sphery, oop, it returned some channels this time, but only from th PSIP stream |
| [01:53:07] | sphery: | so is that progress? |
| [01:53:10] | sphery: | I hope |
| [01:53:13] | josh_: | 16 channels |
| [01:53:21] | clever: | now to fix the audio |
| [01:53:29] | clever: | my sound drivers are still loading backwards |
| [01:53:51] | josh_: | clever, force one of the cards to be probed first in udev? |
| [01:54:08] | clever: | josh_: i have a 3 line bash script to reload the drivers |
| [01:54:12] | sphery: | or disable/unplug the one you're not use |
| [01:54:15] | sphery: | using |
| [01:54:25] | clever: | i use the 2nd card for non-tv stuff |
| [01:54:35] | blackest_knight: | am i the last person to think of using a mobile phone to control a myth frontend using bluetooth/ |
| [01:54:50] | clever: | blackest_knight: i was working on a bluetooth app for the telnet control port |
| [01:55:02] | clever: | something that could show a list of tv shows and make mythfrontend play one |
| [01:55:21] | sphery: | blackest_knight: http://trac2.assembla.com/mymote and http://code.google.com/p/mythdroid/ |
| [01:55:24] | clever: | but the palm compiler sucks, and cant even #include |
| [01:55:46] | clever: | and the help docs suck, and are missing vital struct's from the example, so it wont compile |
| [01:55:47] | josh_: | clever, I just use analog stereo out for audio, and spdif for 5.1 to my surround reciever for tv |
| [01:56:02] | clever: | josh_: nothing takes spdif in |
| [01:56:45] | josh_: | clever, I take it you don't do 5.1? |
| [01:56:57] | clever: | josh_: i rarely use 5.1 |
| [01:57:00] | blackest_knight: | well i'm doing it simple here just hid from the mobile it does have a built in keyboard |
| [01:57:23] | clever: | my best laptop doesnt even have stereo, the cheap bastards took a speaker out of the design |
| [01:57:36] | clever: | the only thing with analog 5.1 output is windows |
| [01:57:40] | josh_: | clever, *grin* |
| [01:57:49] | josh_: | clever, my laptop's got a built-in subwoofer |
| [01:57:57] | sphery: | blackest_knight: and some people use Wii and PS3 bluetooth remotes ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/PS3_Remote and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Sony_PS3_BD_Remote and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Controlling_MythTV_using_a_Wii_remote ) |
| [01:58:00] | josh_: | <- nerd. |
| [01:58:10] | sphery: | blackest_knight: and--believe it or not-- http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Remote_Control_with_WM_Smartphone |
| [01:58:35] | blackest_knight: | and some of us battered away with lirc and got fed up |
| [01:58:55] | sphery: | josh_: Acer laptop? |
| [01:59:03] | josh_: | sphery, Toshiba |
| [01:59:06] | sphery: | ah |
| [01:59:10] | blackest_knight: | nu... hmm must be recently added |
| [01:59:20] | sphery: | I've seen the subwoofers on Acers. just wondered |
| [01:59:42] | wagnerrp: | i knew someone who had a dell with a subwoofer built into their battery |
| [01:59:57] | josh_: | sphery, I've got a pretty decent Klipsch computer speaker system. The built-in audio on this laptop is decent enough it's not worth attaching to the externals |
| [01:59:59] | clever: | sphery: its the acer desktop that has 5.1 analog output |
| [02:00:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: wonder what that sounded like when the battery blew up. :) |
| [02:00:59] | josh_: | sphery, I'm scanning with hdhomerun's channel scanner, let's do a comparison and see what we can come up with |
| [02:01:29] | josh_: | sphery, if I was any decent at , let's face it, *any* scripting language, I'd build a script to import channels from hdhomerun's channel scanner |
| [02:03:46] | blackest_knight: | hmm the wiki is interesting but it needs a server on the box. using hid it is just a mouse and keyboard :) |
| [02:05:30] | wagnerrp: | blackest_knight: eh? |
| [02:07:07] | blackest_knight: | well you can just use keyboard to control myth so i just turned my phone into a keyboard and mouse and paired with the front end instant remote ctrl :) |
| [02:07:24] | wagnerrp: | but whats this about the wiki? |
| [02:08:16] | blackest_knight: | the wiki method is client server |
| [02:08:46] | wagnerrp: | what wiki method? |
| [02:08:52] | blackest_knight: | http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=3288 this is how i'm doing it |
| [02:09:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, you linked that earlier |
| [02:09:08] | wagnerrp: | what is the wiki method? |
| [02:09:11] | blackest_knight: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Remote_Control_with_WM_Smartphone |
| [02:09:32] | josh_: | Why on god's green earth would you make a deoderant that smells like leather? |
| [02:09:45] | josh_: | Leather has a fine smell, if you're in a CAR or on a COW |
| [02:09:54] | clever: | josh_: ive seen that comercial too |
| [02:10:04] | blackest_knight: | i knew a lass very turned on by leather |
| [02:10:13] | josh_: | blackest_knight, really? |
| [02:10:23] | blackest_knight: | yes really |
| [02:10:26] | josh_: | hmm. |
| [02:10:48] | sphery: | blackest_knight: you can add to that page or create a new page showing how you did it if the info isn't htere |
| [02:10:58] | josh_: | Well, then. I apologize. If one girl is turned on by it, then it's worth it :) |
| [02:10:59] | blackest_knight: | it helped that i had motorcycles for years |
| [02:11:08] | wagnerrp: | blackest_knight: thats simply because that remote control is very old and should be updated |
| [02:11:10] | blackest_knight: | yes it was |
| [02:11:14] | wagnerrp: | currently, there is no need for a separate server |
| [02:11:23] | wagnerrp: | as mythfrontend itself will act as the server |
| [02:11:53] | blackest_knight: | ah ok |
| [02:12:11] | wagnerrp: | there have been a couple applications on the mailing list in the last two months |
| [02:12:23] | wagnerrp: | designed to use the socket interface in mythfrontend directly |
| [02:12:40] | blackest_knight: | ah i keep falling behind on things |
| [02:13:45] | blackest_knight: | heres a better question would a dvb-t card need to be designed for mpeg4? |
| [02:14:09] | wagnerrp: | digital cards merely copy the stream they are given |
| [02:14:15] | sphery: | wagnerrp: you mean http://trac2.assembla.com/mymote and http://code.google.com/p/mythdroid/ |
| [02:14:23] | blackest_knight: | its just i moved to ireland and they are not going to use mpeg2 |
| [02:14:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: yeah, i guess those are android and osx |
| [02:14:42] | wagnerrp: | nothing for wm |
| [02:14:49] | sphery: | might be a WM one, too |
| [02:15:00] | sphery: | those are just the ones I know |
| [02:15:04] | wagnerrp: | well theres the one blackest_knight pointed to on the wiki |
| [02:15:08] | sphery: | yeah |
| [02:15:15] | wagnerrp: | but that seems to have its own server sending keyboard codes |
| [02:15:19] | sphery: | I didn't read that page, but saw it |
| [02:16:45] | blackest_knight: | i don't quite see why anything special is needed on the front end side if it can see a bluetooth keyboard and mouse |
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| [02:17:38] | wagnerrp: | blackest_knight: the difference is that he socket interface exposes functions not available to a keyboard and mouse |
| [02:17:47] | blackest_knight: | nice on the phone side to have relevent wigits to press but not essential but i guess you can give feedback on the phone |
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| [02:17:57] | blackest_knight: | ok |
| [02:18:46] | wagnerrp: | of course i dont see such a program as anything more than a maintenance/diagnostic tool |
| [02:18:52] | blackest_knight: | what sort of functions / |
| [02:19:09] | wagnerrp: | a phone as a control for mythtv |
| [02:20:03] | blackest_knight: | ok well i guess i've got an advantage with my phone most havent got a qwerty keyboard and touch screen |
| [02:20:14] | sphery: | a remote is supposed to be something you can hold in your hand and work by touch without ever looking at it |
| [02:20:22] | sphery: | IMHO, at least |
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| [02:21:44] | blackest_knight: | thats an ideal to aim for but unless a remote is designed for the job its rarely the case more than basic functions are easy to remember or marked with something useful |
| [02:23:38] | blackest_knight: | biggest problem i had with lirc , the only good thing was being diabetic i got a free infrared receiver which i used with myth :) |
| [02:24:47] | blackest_knight: | its supposed to be used to download data from my meter but it just plugs in the serial port so i used it |
| [02:25:36] | clever: | sphery: still repairing:P |
| [02:28:55] | josh_: | AHA! |
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| [02:30:05] | josh_: | Sort of. |
| [02:33:01] | clever: | sphery: mythfrontend wont die:( |
| [02:33:09] | clever: | not even -9 works |
| [02:33:27] | wagnerrp: | usually a file system lock |
| [02:33:41] | clever: | wagnerrp: ive never seen a flock that can stop -9 |
| [02:34:02] | clever: | wagnerrp: how would i confirm that? |
| [02:34:45] | sphery: | if the backend had a ton of open but deleted files on a slow-to-delete filesystem (ext3) and you did a shutdown, it likely wouldn't die--even with -9--until all the files were deleted |
| [02:34:49] | wagnerrp: | usually, its more of trying to access a file on a mount no longer accessible |
| [02:34:53] | sphery: | frontend shouldn't ever have that, though |
| [02:34:55] | josh_: | sphery, hdhomerun's channel canner found 58 channels. the script found.... 12. |
| [02:34:58] | sphery: | yeah, that could do it :) |
| [02:35:20] | clever: | sphery: backend is on a seperate box |
| [02:35:41] | sphery: | josh_: In that case, I think you just need to change your timeouts in mythtv-setup (there are 2--crank them both up quite a ways) |
| [02:36:10] | sphery: | that would at least make the mythtv-setup scanner work better |
| [02:36:11] | josh_: | sphery, HMMM I didnt know there were timeouts |
| [02:36:22] | wagnerrp: | hah! 'first, he doesnt think were red shirts; and second, that's so cool you knew what i meant' |
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| [02:36:33] | sphery: | might be able to modify the timeouts in the scte65scan program, too (and, might be able to update it with command-line args or something and submit a patch) |
| [02:36:39] | josh_: | I wonder if someone already came up with a script to import hdhomerun's channels |
| [02:36:44] | josh_: | ooh |
| [02:37:19] | wagnerrp: | josh_: now that you mention it, im interested in writing one |
| [02:37:20] | josh_: | dont need to mess with timeouts in the scte65scan, I just need to feed it a list of frequencies (which hdhomerun's scanner happily gave me) |
| [02:37:39] | clever: | wagnerrp: the frontend has been 'frozen' for several minutes now:S |
| [02:37:41] | josh_: | wagnerrp, I would personally kiss you on the mouth if you did |
| [02:37:52] | wagnerrp: | although thats one of those things that i end up never doing, always expecting the scanner in trunk to just get finished |
| [02:37:55] | josh_: | wagnerrp, sorry, "King of the Hill" reference I couldn't avoid |
| [02:38:58] | josh_: | wagnerrp, From an end-user's perspective: if you make a script, it could be used now, the updated channel scanner *might* be included in 0.22, but that's unlikely |
| [02:39:16] | wagnerrp: | the updated channel scanner MUST be included in 0.22 |
| [02:39:21] | clever: | wagnerrp: ~70% of the IO usage is to mysql... |
| [02:39:21] | wagnerrp: | because the old one no longer exists |
| [02:39:28] | josh_: | wagnerrp, haha |
| [02:39:31] | wagnerrp: | and the current one is not really functional |
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| [02:46:36] | mik3: | hi guys, the news mythtv hasn't been release yet? I thought it would have come out by now? I know there was a new interface or theme that changed things. Whatever happen to that project? |
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| [02:47:04] | wombo: | its not finished yet |
| [02:47:22] | mik3: | I'm suprised. This has been going on for about 8 months |
| [02:47:27] | mik3: | Since I last heard about it |
| [02:47:33] | wombo: | actually prob about 12 |
| [02:47:43] | wombo: | it is a very substantial change |
| [02:47:59] | wombo: | but your welcome to start testing the code and sending bug fixes in :) |
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| [02:48:26] | mik3: | Well it appears I will be returning to mythtv as windows suck balls |
| [02:48:27] | mik3: | :) |
| [02:48:30] | sphery: | actually about 18 months |
| [02:48:32] | mik3: | It's slow,but pretty. |
| [02:48:47] | wagnerrp: | there have been some 6000 revisions (out of 21k in trac) since the last release |
| [02:49:16] | mik3: | so it could be another 6000 before anything? |
| [02:49:46] | wagnerrp: | there have been some massive modifications throughout the code |
| [02:50:13] | mik3: | Is there any new screenshots? |
| [02:50:18] | clever: | wagnerrp: seems like it recovered |
| [02:50:46] | wagnerrp: | the shift from QT3 to QT4, major overhauls to mythvideo, major overhauls to the UI code |
| [02:51:02] | wagnerrp: | a crapton of other less visible tweeks and updates |
| [02:51:33] | sphery: | mik3: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Demo_Theme and http://www.fecitfacta.com/Graphite/Home.html and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_XML_Examples and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI |
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| [02:52:04] | josh_: | wagnerrp, but seriously, a method to import channels scanned by hdhomerun would be greatly appreciated :) I can even provide a sample XML file :) |
| [02:52:04] | mik3: | 3d? |
| [02:52:08] | sphery: | mik3: and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra |
| [02:52:24] | wagnerrp: | josh_: nah, im dumping one currently |
| [02:53:02] | sphery: | mik3: basically, with the new theme engine, themers are basically only limited by their imaginations |
| [02:53:03] | wagnerrp: | although where do you get an XML file? |
| [02:53:20] | wagnerrp: | i just get a list frequencies, and locked channels |
| [02:53:34] | josh_: | wagnerrp, The windows utility saves its channels to an XML file. |
| [02:54:37] | wagnerrp: | oh, the linux one just does a bunch of this garbage... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1534617 |
| [02:54:40] | josh_: | wagnerrp, here's what mine looks like http://pastebin.ca/1534618 |
| [02:54:46] | wagnerrp: | for obvious reasons, thats the one ill be using |
| [02:54:49] | mik3: | hrm.. what are you guys using? |
| [02:54:52] | mik3: | ver 0.22 |
| [02:54:59] | mik3: | or 0.21 still? |
| [02:55:06] | wagnerrp: | there is no ver 0.22 |
| [02:55:13] | sphery: | josh_: you said something about new libraries... is it possible that HDHomeRun's scanner works differently on Linux now? |
| [02:55:37] | josh_: | sphery, I doubt it. Not sure the reason for the difference though. |
| [02:55:39] | mik3: | I am playing around Windows 7 Media Centre and they've done a good job. However, I'm constantly having problems after problems with other things. |
| [02:55:55] | sphery: | mik3: I'm using 0.21-fixes. I only run trunk on my development box. This makes me happy because then MythTV is stable and always works and when trunk is broken, I don't care because I don't miss recordings. :) |
| [02:55:58] | mik3: | Video playback sound, S3 suspend not working etc etc |
| [02:56:25] | josh_: | The XML file appears to save transport IDs as well as frequencies and program numbers |
| [02:56:46] | sphery: | josh_: strange... I'd think it would be rather standard across platforms |
| [02:56:57] | mik3: | When I was using Myth i had a solid system for a long time. Only issue was I had it power the computer up by hand. With Windows 7 the idea is I could power it up from the controller to bring it out of sleep. |
| [02:57:06] | sphery: | maybe they made it so it creates an azap-compatible file for *nix |
| [02:57:18] | mik3: | I also know that sleep is horrible in linux and wonder if I will just be in the same situation. |
| [02:57:21] | mik3: | All very frustrating. |
| [02:57:44] | sphery: | mik3: don't sleep... power off |
| [02:58:07] | sphery: | mik3: and even that way, you can power up with power on USB (on most mobos) assuming you use a USB remote |
| [02:58:08] | mik3: | Yes and cat the time to /proc/acpi/time or something |
| [02:58:15] | josh_: | sphery, half of t is I dont know how to interpret the linux scanfile. Is the transport stream recorded? |
| [02:58:29] | mik3: | sphery how do you power up a computer with a USB? |
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| [02:58:45] | mik3: | you're assuming if the cmos has the option to turn the computer on via USB. |
| [02:58:59] | mik3: | Which I don't think you can do in my cmos. |
| [02:59:03] | sphery: | mik3: yeah, acpi wakeup timer or wol (in 0.22, you'll even be able to have it tell your remote backends to power down when not in use and the master will wake them up when needed) |
| [02:59:20] | wagnerrp: | mik3: few boards have the option of booting off USB |
| [02:59:22] | josh_: | mik3, or tell your backend to wake up the frontend with WOL |
| [02:59:28] | sphery: | mik3: yeah, assuming that--but I haven't seen a BIOS that didn't support wake on USB for about 6 years, now |
| [02:59:32] | wagnerrp: | however most boards are capable of coming out of standby from usb |
| [02:59:53] | mik3: | sphery the backend and the frontend will be on the same box |
| [03:00:01] | sphery: | wagnerrp: so that only works from sleep? |
| [03:00:20] | wagnerrp: | sphery: in my experience, it usually only works from sleep |
| [03:00:21] | mik3: | If i completely shut down the unit, that isn't wake on USB as the computer isn't in sleep mode |
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| [03:01:07] | wagnerrp: | theres no real reason to completely shut down the unit |
| [03:01:13] | mik3: | Hydro |
| [03:01:14] | mik3: | :) |
| [03:01:17] | wagnerrp: | a machine on standby will use a couple watts |
| [03:01:31] | mik3: | I just said if I can't get linux to do S3. |
| [03:01:34] | wagnerrp: | which equates to a couple dollars a year |
| [03:01:48] | wagnerrp: | how are you trying to do it? |
| [03:01:49] | mik3: | I'm having issues even in windows. Everytime it comes up it crashes. |
| [03:02:27] | mik3: | I've always had issues getting any power management options working properly in linux. |
| [03:02:43] | mik3: | Stuff never seems to work properly |
| [03:03:12] | wagnerrp: | some boards can be done just by echoing the proper stuff into something in procfs/sysfs |
| [03:03:24] | wagnerrp: | more often, you need to do some fancy stuff to properly bring it back out |
| [03:03:55] | mik3: | See, the way I use to do things was do RTC |
| [03:04:03] | wagnerrp: | s2ram (from sususpend) can do some more advanced video operations |
| [03:04:17] | wagnerrp: | making your video come back on properly after coming out of a suspend |
| [03:04:23] | mik3: | I would cat out to /proc/acpi/time or whatever to bring it up. However, I had to manually push the button on the computer to turn it on. |
| [03:04:41] | wagnerrp: | you may have to enable S3 USB wakeup in linux |
| [03:04:57] | wagnerrp: | often times, its set to S1 only |
| [03:05:02] | wagnerrp: | or possibly nothing |
| [03:05:10] | wagnerrp: | you have to make sure it is enabled in the BIOS |
| [03:05:17] | mik3: | Yes I know how to do S3 |
| [03:05:18] | wagnerrp: | and you have to make sure it is enabled in the hardware |
| [03:05:58] | wagnerrp: | often times you will have physical jumpers on the motherboard, that you have to flip to enable 5VSB power for the USB ports |
| [03:06:13] | mik3: | S3 works on this computer |
| [03:06:27] | mik3: | I'm not even running linux on it right now |
| [03:06:31] | wagnerrp: | yes, but you may not be supplying power to the USB devices |
| [03:06:39] | mik3: | USB wake works |
| [03:06:53] | mik3: | You've gotten ahead of yourself. :) |
| [03:07:40] | mik3: | I was saying "I am thinking of switching back to MythTV, but I am worried that even S3 in linux won't work properly". As of now, Windows and Nvidia drivers don't like each other in S3. |
| [03:07:58] | mik3: | So every time it comes back up it crashes the computer. |
| [03:08:19] | wagnerrp: | the current nvidia drivers with an 8-series card work fine for me under linux |
| [03:08:41] | wagnerrp: | but like i said, you may have to use something like s2ram to bring the video back online |
| [03:08:44] | mik3: | I've spent a week messing around with drivers, power management settings and nothing fixes it. So I'm think by switching at least back to linux I can always to a /proc/acpi/time and shut it down and have it come back up based off the RTC clock. |
| [03:09:00] | mik3: | wagnerrp, It's a GeForce 6200 |
| [03:09:04] | mik3: | Older computer |
| [03:09:16] | wagnerrp: | well they still run the modern drivers |
| [03:09:41] | wagnerrp: | and i have gotten a machine with a 6200 to come out of standby as well |
| [03:09:42] | mik3: | Shit, windows doesn't even work right. I'm wondering how linux will be. :) |
| [03:10:14] | wagnerrp: | but the board didnt support wake-on-usb, and it was a PITA to reach behind the tv cabinet and hit the power button whenever i wanted to watch tv |
| [03:10:35] | mik3: | yah, i have wake-on-usb... |
| [03:11:00] | mik3: | hrm... i'm hoping the drivers for linux Nvidia will actually work when coming out of s3 or I'll be in the same situation I am now |
| [03:11:10] | mik3: | Then I've wasted even more time! |
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| [03:17:44] | mik3: | i could always just buy another video card. :) |
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| [03:23:43] | iamlindoro: | sphery, J'accuse! You can't switch up my name without me finding out ;) |
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| [03:33:47] | sphery: | iamlindoro: wow... I can't believe you saw that |
| [03:34:11] | iamlindoro: | Some of us read the backlog ;) (but only sometimes) |
| [03:34:25] | ** sphery goes to modify his highlight to allow whitespace anywhere in the nick/names it's scanning ** | |
| [03:34:48] | sphery: | only problem is there's an occasional user who comes in with a nick the same as my last name... |
| [03:34:58] | sphery: | throws me off a bit when that comes up in highlight |
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| [04:18:10] | iamlindoro: | Anduin, If you are about, can you describe how the mythvideo scanning/cache death issue ought to be fixed? Really want to see that part fixed and I'm willing to take a stab at it if I can wrap my head around it |
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| [04:19:36] | iamlindoro: | It's the only one left I really consider a "blocker" w/ Mythvideo |
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| [05:05:49] | wagnerrp: | well im halfway through writing a HDHR channel import |
| [05:06:04] | wagnerrp: | and disappointingly, the last scan managed a whopping THREE CHANNELS |
| [05:06:26] | wagnerrp: | i know theres at least one more, because i recorded off it earlier tonight |
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| [05:07:16] | wagnerrp: | i cant believe the cableco is currently in the processor of violently cycling their lineup |
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| [05:28:39] | wagnerrp: | is there a limit to the number of serviceids for a broadcast? |
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| [05:33:15] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, Can you tell me if your ticket #4870 was fixed by r21308? It should be |
| [05:33:49] | iamlindoro: | oh, there's a sample, I'll test myself :) |
| [05:34:22] | iamlindoro: | bah, sample is gone... |
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| [07:23:59] | ** juski goes looking in the xbmc source to find out how they did their blur effect ** | |
| [07:28:48] | juski: | bloody hell, every widget is in its own cpp file |
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| [07:36:15] | taggart: | hey, I'm having problems getting my remote to work with mythtv, I'm hoping someone can help spot my problem |
| [07:36:44] | taggart: | I have lircd running, and if I run irw and press keys I get stuff, but it's still not working in mythtv |
| [07:37:11] | juski: | do the button names in lircd.conf match what you have defined in ~/.mythtv/lircrc ? |
| [07:37:25] | juski: | by that I mean it's case dependent |
| [07:37:27] | taggart: | the key that does ENTER works, but UP/DOWN/LEFT/RIGHT etc don't |
| [07:38:13] | juski: | so how are they spelled in lircd.conf and the lircrc file? |
| [07:38:22] | taggart: | well I don't have a ~mythtv/.lircrc |
| [07:38:33] | juski: | not DOT lircrc |
| [07:38:35] | juski: | lircrc |
| [07:38:45] | taggart: | that either |
| [07:38:48] | juski: | though I think mythtv should work with a ~/.lircrc file now |
| [07:39:28] | taggart: | juski: spelling in /etc/lirc/lircd.conf is all caps |
| [07:39:36] | juski: | taggart: and in .lircrc ? |
| [07:39:44] | taggart: | I don't have one |
| [07:39:56] | taggart: | doesn't that just override settings? |
| [07:40:08] | juski: | you have to have a ~/.lircrc or a ~/.mythtv/lircrc |
| [07:40:23] | juski: | notice the position of the dots |
| [07:40:24] | taggart: | ok, where do I get one and how does it differ from lircd.conf? |
| [07:40:40] | juski: | the lircd.conf defines which buttons produce the 'press' |
| [07:41:08] | juski: | the lircrc file defines which remote buttons produce 'keypresses' |
| [07:41:45] | juski: | i.e. the lircd.conf file associates button names with IR codes |
| [07:42:04] | juski: | and the lircrc file associates button names with *functions* |
| [07:42:11] | taggart: | ok, makes sense |
| [07:42:30] | juski: | it's messier than it should've been but we're stuck with it |
| [07:43:29] | juski: | where did you get your lircd.conf file? |
| [07:44:28] | juski: | oh ffs somebody opened a ticket in xbmc's trac as a placeholder for blurring in their skins & it's still open despite the feature being implemented |
| [07:45:41] | taggart: | I have a pinnacle 800i card |
| [07:45:55] | taggart: | and the ir is supported in the kernel via the input layer |
| [07:46:07] | juski: | so that's not lirc related |
| [07:46:15] | taggart: | so I configured lircd to use devinput and /dev/input/event6 |
| [07:46:15] | juski: | it's /dev/input |
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| [07:47:47] | taggart: | and when I run irw and hit buttons I get stuff like: |
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| [07:48:04] | taggart: | 0000000000010003 00 UP linux-input-layer |
| [07:48:20] | juski: | if irw works with all the buttons you need to configure a lircrc file |
| [07:48:32] | taggart: | ok, cool |
| [07:48:49] | ** taggart finds http://lircconfig.commandir.com/ ** | |
| [07:49:15] | juski: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC |
| [07:49:38] | juski: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC#LIRCRC is relevant here |
| [07:51:17] | juski: | hrm maybe xbmc didn't implement the blur yet. heh |
| [07:51:54] | taggart: | so maybe an lircrc config already exists for my remote? |
| [07:53:11] | juski: | possibly |
| [07:53:24] | juski: | that's why I asked you where you got the lircd.conf from ;-) |
| [07:53:29] | juski: | because chances are there' |
| [07:53:36] | juski: | there's a lircrc file accompanying it |
| [07:54:44] | taggart: | well since I am using devinput I used /usr/share/lirc/remotes/generic/linux-input-layer.conf |
| [07:55:19] | juski: | it's easy enough to make your own lircrc file |
| [07:55:34] | juski: | or just google "remote name" and lircrc :) |
| [07:55:50] | juski: | or see the wiki page I posted for examples |
| [07:56:23] | guysoft42: | did someone message me a fe' hours ago? i see in the logs i 'as called |
| [07:56:39] | ** guysoft42 has no W because of VNC ** | |
| [07:57:57] | juski: | guysoft42: there was somebody in channel last night who looked like he had the same problem as you with his dvb-t audio |
| [08:00:31] | guysoft42: | juski, oh, cool |
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| [08:00:43] | guysoft42: | I mean, i am not alone here. |
| [08:00:51] | juski: | only he had completely non-working audio in mythtv generally too |
| [08:00:59] | guysoft42: | juski, Was he israeli? |
| [08:01:08] | juski: | I dunno |
| [08:01:15] | guysoft42: | juski, for all i knoW so do it.. |
| [08:01:43] | juski: | which is why I suggested you try to play an ordinary video file with mythtv $filename |
| [08:02:08] | slacker-: | I think I worked out a painful way to do subtitles on linuxes |
| [08:02:10] | guysoft42: | juski, but i have here toW linux system on toW diffrent audio systems, it Would be less likely |
| [08:02:25] | guysoft42: | juski, i could try that.. |
| [08:02:45] | guysoft42: | but i am noW on vnc, from another city. i should be home to try that in a feW hours |
| [08:02:54] | slacker-: | use both gocr and tesseract to independently generate text files, ispell them both and then run meld to merge them together. that finds pretty much all errors |
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| [08:04:12] | guysoft42: | juski, i think, i should make a repo With mythtv that Works for israel, When i am done compiling it |
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| [08:09:38] | taggart: | juski: ok, trying to build a .lircrc |
| [08:10:12] | taggart: | looking at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC#LIRCRC ... |
| [08:10:33] | taggart: | is the remote name the same as in lircd.conf? |
| [08:11:19] | juski: | yes, but it's optional. you don't need it if you only have one remote |
| [08:11:38] | taggart: | but if it's specified it better match? |
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| [08:12:22] | taggart: | yay! |
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| [08:12:33] | taggart: | I fixed the 2 key to be Up |
| [08:12:37] | juski: | if only one remote is defined in lircd.conf you don't need to name the remote in lircrc |
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| [08:15:49] | guysoft42: | juski, , i got a compile error |
| [08:15:52] | guysoft42: | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL |
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| [08:22:33] | taggart: | juski: ok, now I know how to make this work, I just have to decide on a reasonable use for each button on the remote |
| [08:23:15] | taggart: | it doesn't have that many keys, and no dedicated arrow keys :( |
| [08:23:29] | taggart: | but there are enough to do most things I think |
| [08:23:35] | taggart: | juski: thanks for the help! |
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| [09:04:38] | juski: | guysoft42: you need to resolve the dependency ;-) |
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| [09:16:21] | gbee: | files with multiple . which aren't marking the extension? |
| [09:17:02] | juski: | it's to stop people using downloaded files ;-) |
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| [09:20:02] | juski: | gbee: looks like I'm gonna have to do a bit of work with gl shaders for some painter effects |
| [09:20:15] | juski: | exciting! erm.. scary I mean |
| [09:20:26] | gbee: | heh |
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| [09:21:21] | gbee: | actually I suppose when you think about it, the SRT support just aids piracy, how many legitimate videos come with a subtitle file? |
| [09:21:49] | juski: | might not even be worth doing stuff like blurring – these kind of operations aren't hardware accelerated apparently |
| [09:22:11] | juski: | but erm.. just imagine a popup coming onscreen & everything below it gets blurred. Oh boy |
| [09:22:16] | ** gbee prepares a patch to remove external subtitle support ** | |
| [09:23:08] | quicksilver: | you can do a hardware accelerated blur on modern GPUs, juski |
| [09:23:33] | quicksilver: | render the original image to an FBO instead of the screen, use that FBO as the input texture for a second pass. |
| [09:23:43] | gbee: | juski: some people like the xbmc effect where areas behind a transparent background are blurred |
| [09:24:06] | quicksilver: | depending how the UI code is designed that may be a bit fiddly to do. |
| [09:24:54] | juski: | gbee: they implemented it? can't find it in their code |
| [09:24:55] | gbee: | not really |
| [09:25:28] | gbee: | juski: probably not, but some early mockups of their Aeon theme included it, if they didn't implement then we get to beat them to it ;) |
| [09:26:08] | juski: | they've not called it anything *logical* at any rate :P |
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| [09:29:10] | juski: | aeon is over 80MB? WTF |
| [09:29:30] | gbee: | heh, Terra might end up around that |
| [09:30:27] | juski: | f***ing c***s putting zip files on a free host like mediafire. no way to wget it |
| [09:31:31] | juski: | grep through the skin, see if I can find the tag, then look up the tag |
| [09:31:32] | juski: | :) |
| [09:31:59] | gbee: | you start making a graphically rich theme and it requires lots of images, images take space, especially high resolution stuff, my current theme is based on 1920x1080 |
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| [09:32:23] | juski: | 80MB is a _lot_ of images even at that resolution |
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| [09:35:40] | juski: | whoops. that isn't a lot – but with PNG compression.. |
| [09:36:00] | juski: | ok it's not a _lot_ of images at 1920x1080 but how many images are that big? lol |
| [09:37:03] | juski: | and ffs, the cost of webhosting these days.. they feel it necessary to use a slow as hell free host? PAH |
| [09:37:19] | gbee: | rofl, "Anheuser-Busch releases new beer-flavoured Budweiser" – The Onion |
| [09:37:42] | juski: | 3 minutes remaining |
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| [09:44:42] | juski: | doesn't look like they've got it in yet :) |
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| [09:51:55] | gbee: | juski: behind the text – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Image:Xbmcaeon.jpg |
| [09:52:29] | gbee: | vs my mimic without blur – http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Image:Mythuiaeon.png |
| [09:52:47] | juski: | yeah but is the screenshot real or just mocked up? |
| [09:52:58] | gbee: | looks like a mockup now |
| [09:53:12] | gbee: | but I'm just pointing out the effect |
| [09:53:18] | juski: | sure :) |
| [09:54:11] | juski: | should be quite easy to do. In theory |
| [09:54:29] | juski: | wish I had a linux box here |
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| [09:58:00] | juski: | everything I've ever set out to do in code has been dead easy in theory. lol |
| [09:58:22] | juski: | oh how the reality differs :) |
| [09:59:26] | juski: | gbee: in theory we could do the reflections in the painter too, as in don't draw it but let opengl itself do the magic in its rendering. I think it can work like that |
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| [10:01:40] | juski: | heh nope. it's two drawings, silly |
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| [10:02:08] | gbee: | opengl should be able to do the reflections |
| [10:02:25] | juski: | smoke & mirrors, to coin a phrase |
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| [10:06:25] | quicksilver: | to do reflections in OpenGL, in general, you actually draw the thing twice |
| [10:06:33] | quicksilver: | one with the setup for the refleciton and once with the normal setup |
| [10:06:37] | juski: | figures :) |
| [10:06:46] | quicksilver: | opengl makes things possible + fast but not really "easy" |
| [10:07:06] | juski: | anything else would be ray tracing, and that ain't gonna be realtime :P |
| [10:08:01] | juski: | anyway how comes when I start dicking about with gl stuff all these armchair gl experts come out of the woodwork? ;-) |
| [10:08:49] | quicksilver: | I don't normally have much to contribute to the channel since I barely understand myth well enough to get it working myself |
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| [10:08:55] | quicksilver: | but I do know a little about opengl :) |
| [10:09:14] | juski: | hrm doing the mirror effect the same way as in mythimage (with pre-applied alpha gradient) is slightly more tricky |
| [10:09:43] | juski: | I'm *definitely* gonna need some external apps to prove concepts |
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| [10:17:32] | guysoft42: | juski, well it was not listed.. ill have to locate i |
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| [10:59:18] | DougSouth: | can anyone here give me a hand in setting up my imon remote with mythbuntu (after an upgrade)? |
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| [11:18:11] | juski: | does irw output anything when you press buttons on the remote? |
| [11:18:43] | guysoft42: | juski, compile error again, this time its not something missing: http://pastebin.com/m2f873c16 |
| [11:18:59] | guysoft42: | # |
| [11:18:59] | guysoft42: | videoout_directfb.cpp: In member function ‘bool DirectfbData::CreateBuffers(VideoBuffers&, DFBSurfaceDescription)’: |
| [11:18:59] | guysoft42: | # |
| [11:18:59] | guysoft42: | videoout_directfb.cpp:144: error: cannot convert ‘DirectResult’ to ‘DFBResult’ in assignment |
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| [11:19:45] | juski: | will you *please* use pastebins in future? |
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| [11:20:07] | juski: | don't paste anything in channel |
| [11:21:14] | juski: | what ./configure options did you use? |
| [11:22:39] | juski: | AFAIK using directfb is broken & has been for quite a while |
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| [11:23:46] | guysoft42: | juski, there is a pastebin up there |
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| [11:26:00] | juski: | you're right about it not being something missing. no idea why you're getting that. you shouldn't be seeing it if you just did a normal configure & make |
| [11:27:36] | juski: | ah. googling "error: cannot convert .DirectResult. to .DFBResult. in assignment" found this: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/353675 which says your directfb libs are too new |
| [11:27:54] | juski: | run ./configure with --disable-directfb & make again |
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| [11:33:07] | juski: | heh didn't know FLAC files had embedded seektables |
| [11:33:22] | guysoft42: | juski, it looks like its something with the frame buffer, and i did use ./configure --enable-proc-opt --enable-opengl-video |
| [11:33:45] | guysoft42: | juski, do i need direct fb? at all? |
| [11:34:07] | juski: | guysoft42: no you don't need it |
| [11:34:17] | juski: | you should disable it |
| [11:34:46] | juski: | you don't normally have to, but in your case the directfb libraries aren't compatible |
| [11:35:06] | DougSouth: | juski, nope |
| [11:35:10] | juski: | directfb is only for people wanting to make mythtv work on systems without X |
| [11:35:22] | DougSouth: | I don't seem to have any lirc* in /dev either :( |
| [11:35:38] | juski: | DougSouth: so it's likely you don't have the driver(s) loaded |
| [11:35:42] | juski: | what did you upgrade? |
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| [11:35:56] | juski: | more to the point, *why* did you upgrade if it was working? :-P |
| [11:36:02] | DougSouth: | mythbunutu from 8.04 to 8.10 to 9.04, but broke on the first upgrade |
| [11:36:09] | DougSouth: | true :( |
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| [11:37:42] | GuySoft: | juski, is there a specific command to play audio, just sending in the terminal a file does not seem to do anything |
| [11:38:42] | juski: | GuySoft: you can't do (yet) mythtv $audiofile |
| [11:38:50] | juski: | you have to give it a VIDEO file |
| [11:38:56] | juski: | I told you. Twice |
| [11:38:57] | GuySoft: | juski, ok lets try |
| [11:39:18] | juski: | e.g. xvid with mp3 audio, or mpeg2 from DVD.. |
| [11:39:26] | GuySoft: | juski, sorry, did not mean to |
| [11:40:40] | GuySoft: | juski, it floods 2009-08–19 14:40:25.759 NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! on an ogg file |
| [11:40:47] | GuySoft: | i have no DVD data here |
| [11:41:38] | juski: | GuySoft: but does it output any sound? |
| [11:41:45] | guysoft42: | juski, nope.. |
| [11:41:52] | juski: | for chrissakes this is like pulling teeth! |
| [11:41:55] | guysoft42: | juski, ill try more files |
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| [11:42:50] | GuySoft: | tried an mpg now.. same thing |
| [11:43:07] | GuySoft: | audio codec was mp2 in it |
| [11:44:35] | ** GuySoft googling ** | |
| [11:44:49] | pheld: | Is any of Nvidia's driver-releases (vdpau) able to decode HD (h.264) as good as libavcodec does? |
| [11:46:10] | DougSouth: | hmm, don't have ANY lirc files in /dev, just lircd :( |
| [11:46:11] | gbee: | depends who you ask, at least in earlier driver versions it just couldn't handle errors as well as libav |
| [11:46:44] | pheld: | looks like that now too. tried several versions. with vdpau I get lots of digital noise |
| [11:46:50] | gbee: | it wouldn't crash but it would become a blocky mess where you'd barely notice anything with libav |
| [11:47:03] | pheld: | exactly |
| [11:47:23] | gbee: | makes it less suitable for broadcast material IMHO, but maybe it will improve |
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| [11:53:46] | guysoft42: | juski, just tried another video on my other computer. the one with pulseaudio, and that works ) |
| [11:53:53] | guysoft42: | ... so at least something works |
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| [11:59:10] | ** GuySoft fixed audio problems, still aac problems ** | |
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| [12:03:16] | DougSouth: | Ok, this ISN'T going to work without the dev files |
| [12:08:53] | guysoft42: | i am trying to check if in my country the AAC patent holds, because i want to start a repo with mythtv with aac compiled in to it. does anyone have here a reference to the patient? |
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| [12:31:42] | juski: | guysoft42: AAC is patented |
| [12:32:18] | juski: | generally outside the US, lots of people disregard software patents |
| [12:33:17] | juski: | just host it yourself & let them send the lawyers after you :-P |
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| [12:37:30] | guysoft42: | juski, i want to be sure the law lets me do that .. |
| [12:38:06] | guysoft42: | juski, they are using AAC for the free television broadcasts here. if its a problem, then ill go to our ministry of communication.. |
| [12:38:28] | juski: | so? being able to watch TV is not a birthright |
| [12:39:16] | juski: | ask yourself if it's ok for VLC to be hosted $wherever, why not your repo ? |
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| [12:42:26] | guysoft42: | juski, finished compiling, no sound still, is there a way to check if there is AAC compiled? |
| [12:42:44] | juski: | if you didn't enable AAC specifically at configure time it won't be enabled |
| [12:42:49] | juski: | ./configure --help |
| [12:42:49] | guysoft42: | juski, i will |
| [12:43:47] | guysoft42: | juski, i see no aac flag |
| [12:44:46] | juski: | --enable-libfaad perhaps? ;-) |
| [12:45:02] | juski: | you'll need the libfaad headers etc installed |
| [12:46:26] | guysoft42: | juski, ill try |
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| [12:48:22] | juski: | libfaad-dev :) |
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| [12:50:20] | josh_: | Hmm, I cant' figure out what mytharchive is putting my DVD rips |
| [12:51:00] | juski: | mytharchive doesn't have anything to do with dvd rips |
| [12:51:18] | benn: | Hey all. Bit of a hardware config question. I'm trying out .22 for VDPAU type stuff. I've got a 9500GT lying around with an HDMI output and it has an spdif input to pass sound over the hdmi interface |
| [12:51:38] | benn: | i can't seem to get any sound altho i have sound working on my motherboard onboard hdmi interface |
| [12:52:30] | juski: | benn: selected the right channel to do passthru ? |
| [12:55:17] | juski: | benn: presumably your onboard audio has two SPDIF/IEC958/digital devices |
| [12:57:53] | GuySoft: | juski, compiled with that option, still no sound, is there to see why? any error log for that? |
| [12:57:57] | GuySoft: | i see nothing in stdout |
| [12:58:11] | juski: | -v playback |
| [12:58:24] | GuySoft: | juski, ah, just found 2009-08–19 15:56:17.470 NVP: Disabling Audio, params(-1,2,44100 |
| [12:58:52] | juski: | so it's 48khz. pretty typical for DVB audio |
| [12:59:34] | GuySoft: | but why Disabling Audio ?? |
| [13:00:18] | gbee: | GuySoft: HDMI? |
| [13:00:29] | GuySoft: | gbee, what about HDMI?? |
| [13:00:37] | gbee: | are you using hdmi audio? |
| [13:00:56] | GuySoft: | gbee, no, simple computer.. and i could play non DVB files |
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| [13:01:07] | GuySoft: | gbee, the codec is AAC, we suspect that |
| [13:01:18] | GuySoft: | gbee, so i compiled mythtv from source, still nothing |
| [13:01:49] | gbee: | hmm, might still be that your sound card can't take 48Khz audio, can you post more of the log, before and after that error? mythtv.pastebin.ca |
| [13:07:25] | benn: | juski: if i do aplay -l, i get an analog, digital, hdmi device – i'd have thought it's the digital one |
| [13:07:42] | juski: | me too |
| [13:07:56] | juski: | benn: you unmuted it in the mixer? |
| [13:08:40] | juski: | there's also a 'volume control' sometimes for digital outputs – only it doesn't control volume – it's a switch for selecting where the digital audio is sourced from |
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| [13:15:20] | GuySoft: | gbee, that seems unlikely,, i think its the AAC |
| [13:15:40] | GuySoft: | gbee, let me post |
| [13:15:43] | juski: | GuySoft: nevermind it seems unlikely |
| [13:15:52] | GuySoft: | juski, ill post the log.. |
| [13:15:59] | juski: | it's pretty likely that your audio device only supports 44.1khz |
| [13:16:10] | juski: | or that your audio is configured for only 44.1khz |
| [13:16:57] | benn: | juski: yep, everything is unmuted in alsamixer |
| [13:17:03] | GuySoft: | gbee, juski http://pastebin.com/m73bbffac |
| [13:17:21] | benn: | i haven't seen that source switch thing tho |
| [13:17:45] | juski: | benn: it might only appear in alsamixer |
| [13:18:21] | mzb: | # |
| [13:18:21] | mzb: | 2009-08–19 15:58:53.079 NVP: Disabling Audio, params(-1,2,44100) |
| [13:18:57] | mzb: | shoots the 48k argument in it's foot ;) |
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| [13:22:07] | ** mzb decides to find out how fast he needs to run in circles in the shower to get wet ... before assessing mythtv (watching tonight's recordings) ** | |
| [13:23:00] | ** mzb changes his mind about running ... ** | |
| [13:23:13] | Essobi_: | Goooood morning. |
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| [13:31:20] | gbee: | GuySoft: when watching the recording, go to the OSD menu M and look for an option called "Select Audio Track", does it appear and if so, what options are listed, have you tried another from that list? |
| [13:32:33] | gbee: | logs actually show it failing to find an audio stream 5 seconds into the recording |
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| [13:54:07] | guysoft42: | juski, : <xtophe> vlc is not hosted at debian. it's hosted a videolan.org |
| [13:54:07] | guysoft42: | <xtophe> and vlc support linking to libfaad when libfaad is present |
| [13:54:54] | ** juski doesn't care ** | |
| [13:55:12] | juski: | I don't involve myself in petty distro politics thankyou :) |
| [13:55:33] | GuySoft: | gbee, but it does record the audio, because i can play the audio in VLC |
| [13:55:42] | GuySoft: | .. he audio recorded by mythtvbackend |
| [13:56:16] | juski: | GuySoft: mythbackend records the STREAM, not the audio. not the video. the STREAM which contains them |
| [13:56:43] | GuySoft: | gbee, which OSD? |
| [13:56:43] | j-rod: | don't cross the streams |
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| [13:56:57] | juski: | GuySoft: the onscreen menu |
| [13:57:14] | juski: | when some video is playing in mythfrontend press M |
| [13:57:16] | GuySoft: | juski, i know the acronym. i mean where in it? |
| [13:57:17] | juski: | M is for MENU |
| [13:57:19] | GuySoft: | ok |
| [13:57:28] | juski: | like gbee already said |
| [13:57:30] | juski: | pay attention |
| [13:58:42] | GuySoft: | juski, i thought he meant the menu with esc.. i never opened a menu with 'm' .. how should i know what button opens a menu. |
| [13:58:46] | GuySoft: | .. anyway ill have a look now |
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| [13:59:26] | gbee: | M opens a context menu anywhere in myth (that a menu exists) |
| [14:00:08] | gbee: | the "Select Audio Track" option effects playback, not recording, if it can't find the audio track which is listed first for then it won't play any audio |
| [14:01:01] | GuySoft: | gbee, seen no option Select Audio Track. only something about audio sync |
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| [14:02:03] | GuySoft: | .. both in the one i have, and the compiled version |
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| [14:02:37] | GuySoft: | gbee, so if there isnt one, does it mean it found no track? |
| [14:03:06] | GuySoft: | gbee, i did not understand you last message about htis |
| [14:03:08] | GuySoft: | this* |
| [14:04:04] | juski: | GuySoft: if you do not see a menu entry for selecting the audio track, then there is only one track found in the stream |
| [14:04:33] | juski: | and how you are supposed to know what buttons make things happen in a program... you read the manual ;-) |
| [14:06:41] | gbee: | GuySoft: did you uninstall mythtv first before installing the compiled version? What is the output of: which mythfrontend |
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| [14:21:04] | Gav8in: | does anyone have a good site where i can find out what performance to expect in mencoder on various machines? |
| [14:21:52] | juski: | there are only degrees of slowness. no such thing as speed in video encoding by software ;) |
| [14:22:02] | Gav8in: | yeah, i get it. :> |
| [14:22:21] | Gav8in: | i'm trying to put a cheap quiet machine in my mom's house to watch canadian TV for me on ATSC |
| [14:22:44] | Gav8in: | so i just need to make sure it can transcode, which i suppose isn't too hard. |
| [14:23:06] | juski: | with a 'fast' CPU the best you can hope for is almost real-time |
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| [14:23:24] | Gav8in: | i don't even need realtime, I think I could tolerate 1/12th relatime |
| [14:23:39] | juski: | Gav8in: it all depends what you're doing to the video |
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| [14:24:05] | Gav8in: | likely scaling and transcoding into h.264 |
| [14:24:19] | juski: | on an athlon 2800 it was taking about half realtime to turn dvd into xvid |
| [14:24:21] | Gav8in: | i'll play around with my atom 330 when i get it next week, see what performance it has, and use that as a guide |
| [14:24:31] | juski: | woeful at transcoding :P |
| [14:25:04] | Gav8in: | yeah. there's no good CUDA transcoders for linux yet, which is the only hope my box would have i guess |
| [14:25:41] | wagnerrp: | no good ones? meaning some form of ones exist? |
| [14:25:55] | Gav8in: | one sec, finding a link |
| [14:27:33] | wagnerrp: | and a 2800 (XP or 64) should be doing better than realtime dvd-->xvid |
| [14:28:36] | juski: | wagnerrp: you should see how long mythtranscode takes to turn DVB PAL mpeg2 to unwatchable mush :P |
| [14:30:07] | wagnerrp: | ugh.... why do these TN monitors keep going on sale |
| [14:31:22] | Gav8in: | mediacoder, http://www.mediacoderhq.com/index.htm |
| [14:31:51] | Gav8in: | in wine, apparently it will transcode using CUDA. I have not tested. The author also is on the ffmpeg wall of shame for bad free software practices |
| [14:32:29] | Gav8in: | and i think only scaling is offloaded via CUDA, not any motion mumble-mumble, which is apparently the faster thing to offload. |
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| [14:35:59] | wagnerrp: | 'this version of CUDA h.264 encoder has expired' |
| [14:36:08] | wagnerrp: | did they just swipe someone elses encoder? |
| [14:36:26] | Gav8in: | heh |
| [14:36:33] | Gav8in: | it's even worse than i thought! |
| [14:37:17] | wagnerrp: | apparently it was some kind of licensing issue with nvidia |
| [14:37:24] | wagnerrp: | i thought cuda was free for use |
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| [14:40:36] | Gav8in: | does anyone have any good links to the legality of TV place shifting? |
| [14:40:44] | Gav8in: | i'm no lawyer, but I'd enjoy a survey |
| [14:41:10] | wagnerrp: | id say the fact that slingbox hasnt been sued into oblivion is proof enough |
| [14:41:29] | Gav8in: | it's true, they have not been sued into oblivion |
| [14:41:34] | juski: | I'd like to see a site which attempts to sell placeshifting to me |
| [14:41:40] | juski: | I mean WTF is the *point* ? |
| [14:41:49] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [14:41:58] | Gav8in: | I don't understand selling placeshifting, you mean, operate a cable TV network? |
| [14:42:06] | juski: | why would I want to watch TV on the move |
| [14:42:17] | Gav8in: | i mean selling placeshifting = broadcasting? |
| [14:42:37] | juski: | no I mean persuade me it's not a waste of time & effort :P |
| [14:42:52] | Gav8in: | ah. |
| [14:43:03] | wagnerrp: | you ride (insert form of public transportation) to work, and are bored |
| [14:43:04] | juski: | oo I can watch my shows while I'm not at home in crappy quality NOW |
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| [14:43:15] | juski: | or I can wait til I get home & see it in high quality |
| [14:43:16] | juski: | hrm |
| [14:43:24] | mzb: | ... and just a step to the left ... |
| [14:43:25] | ** mzb time warps to the couch ** | |
| [14:43:40] | juski: | wagnerrp: what is this.. public transportation you speak of? |
| [14:43:41] | Gav8in: | i am contemplating putting a machine at my mom's house in canada to placeshift tv from there to me. That's useful, but more open to question than your average placeshifting installation |
| [14:43:55] | Gav8in: | juski: it's like driving, but with poor people. |
| [14:44:01] | wagnerrp: | juski: i dont know, no one uses it around here |
| [14:44:03] | Gav8in: | /me hides |
| [14:45:26] | mzb: | work? |
| [14:45:33] | Gav8in: | heh |
| [14:46:01] | wagnerrp: | hey look, another user on the list with a 1212 |
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| [14:49:54] | juski: | hometime! |
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| [14:59:24] | DougSouth: | anyone here using mythbuntu that could tell me the syntax for the include option at the end of /etc/lircd.conf? |
| [15:00:34] | josh_: | Personally, I dont' use the includes |
| [15:01:02] | josh_: | I dont think it's really needed, unless you use irexec |
| [15:01:14] | DougSouth: | nevermind, just got it to reconfigure :) |
| [15:01:21] | DougSouth: | it's late and I've been at this too long :) |
| [15:07:01] | josh_: | Gav8in, Do you get to steer towards these poor people? *grin* |
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| [15:11:09] | yunosh: | hi, if i have two identical cards, one with ci and the other without, how do i make sure that the one without is only used on unencrypted channels? |
| [15:15:24] | josh_: | yunosh, No completely sure, but it would have to be done in mythtv-setup |
| [15:15:55] | josh_: | something about making sure each card had a different channel source list? |
| [15:16:15] | josh_: | different channel lineup, that's right |
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| [15:18:47] | yunosh: | yes, but how? i alread unchecked the "include encrypted channels" when scanning for channels on the ci-less card |
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| [15:26:49] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: I didn't enforce it in the code but the cache object should be a singleton, the issue as a remember it is that a new instance is created (which does the DB update, but the list is generated from the global instance which was never meant to "refresh") |
| [15:28:25] | iamlindoro: | Anduin: How did you (or, theoretically, me) think to solve it? |
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| [15:29:49] | Anduin: | iamlindoro: I was going to do the scan to the active cache, I can get to it this week if you want to just ignore it (honestly it has been so long since I looked at it I may not actually remember) |
| [15:30:08] | iamlindoro: | I want to ignore it :) |
| [15:30:50] | iamlindoro: | Just figured if you weren't going to be able to look at it, I would at least do my part and *try*, but I'm much more confident in your ability to solve it than mine :) |
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| [15:39:23] | yunosh: | anyone? |
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| [15:49:20] | guysoft42: | gbee, juski .. if you think the reason that i carn't listen to the audio is because my sound card not supporting 48KHz. then how come i can play it on vlc? |
| [15:51:08] | gbee: | guysoft42: never said that was the problem, but VLC could be using a different alsa device to resample down to 44.1Khz |
| [15:51:30] | gbee: | but now I just think it's more likely that you aren't running the version you compiled |
| [15:51:35] | wagnerrp: | i wonder if im running an old version of hdhomerun_config |
| [15:51:39] | gbee: | [15:06:41] <gbee> GuySoft: did you uninstall mythtv first before installing the compiled version? What is the output of: which mythfrontend |
| [15:51:48] | wagnerrp: | my windows box scans FAR more channels than my backend |
| [15:52:42] | GuySoft: | gbee, sorry missed it.. no, i am running the compied from its dir. |
| [15:52:51] | GuySoft: | and i posted the output from the frontend.. let me get it |
| [15:53:07] | GuySoft: | <GuySoft> gbee, juski http://pastebin.com/m73bbffac |
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| [15:54:12] | josh_: | wagnerrp, I just tested mine. 58 channels from windows, 58 channels from hdhomerun_config |
| [15:54:21] | josh_: | I've got the latest of both though |
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| [15:54:27] | wagnerrp: | oh yeah... BIG difference |
| [15:54:37] | wagnerrp: | was using some old dec 2008 version |
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| [15:54:45] | josh_: | and I had to run my text file output from hdhomerun_config through a couple grep's |
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| [15:55:45] | josh_: | wagnerrp, I was curious how it was coming along :) |
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| [15:56:12] | wagnerrp: | i finished it last night... im testing it now to see if i actually wrote sane code |
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| [15:56:58] | gbee: | GuySoft: wait, you are running mythfrontend from the compilation directory? |
| [15:57:00] | josh_: | I had a couple concerns last night while I was trying to go to sleep. How will your script handle the new transports in mythconverg.dtv_multiplex ? and how will it know which tuners to assign the new channels to? |
| [15:57:20] | guysoft42: | gbee, yes |
| [15:57:23] | gbee: | because it will still link the _installed_ libraries which have no aac support |
| [15:57:27] | GuySoft: | gbee, yes |
| [15:57:29] | gbee: | you need to make install |
| [15:57:38] | gbee: | after removing the packaged version |
| [15:57:40] | wagnerrp: | if it does not find a transport on that frequency, it adds one |
| [15:57:48] | GuySoft: | gbee, ok let me remove and checkinstall |
| [15:57:49] | wagnerrp: | as far as what tuners, thats set statically for now |
| [15:57:54] | wagnerrp: | but will get some command line inputs |
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| [15:58:19] | wagnerrp: | you dont assign a channel to a tuner, you asign it to a source |
| [15:58:33] | wagnerrp: | and then you assign the source to one or more tuners |
| [15:58:37] | josh_: | wagnerrp, static is fine, as long as it can be changed easily without the end user mucking about in code :) |
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| [15:59:11] | josh_: | wagnerrp, yeah, that's right.. I'm honestly not completely certain with how the dtv_multiplex and channel tables translate to actual channels |
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| [16:02:29] | josh_: | wagnerrp, that makes a lot more sense.. If you have two digital tuners, they're both assigned to the "digital" source, and have access to the same channels |
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| [16:03:15] | wagnerrp: | its with all types of capture, not just digital tuners |
| [16:03:16] | josh_: | If you have two digital tuners, but one is on broadcast, it would be set up as a seperate source with different channel frequencies |
| [16:03:33] | josh_: | I understand, I was just using digital as an example for my feeble mind |
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| [16:04:40] | josh_: | and because I only have to sources, QAM cable and analog cable, it doesnt matter how many tuners I have, I'll only have those two sources |
| [16:04:52] | josh_: | I really need to purchase a book |
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| [16:06:44] | josh_: | Hmm, I wonder what type of video games Josh_Borke plays :) |
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| [16:09:22] | josh_: | wagnerrp, so the only two tables that I think this script should mess with are 'dtv_multiplex' and 'channel', is that correct? |
| [16:09:32] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK |
| [16:10:12] | GuySoft: | gbee, juski , removed mythtv installed, running form the compiled only, still no sound |
| [16:11:25] | josh_: | awesome, so I can just drop everything that uses sourceid='3', edit the script to specify the generated SQL's sourceid to '3' and let the script start over |
| [16:11:53] | wagnerrp: | ideally, you would not drop anything |
| [16:11:57] | GuySoft: | gbee, juski : http://pastebin.com/m2c8b79b8 |
| [16:12:27] | wagnerrp: | the script *should* detect and correct migrated channels |
| [16:12:36] | josh_: | wagnerrp, agreed, but I've got some channel data that's just plain wrong |
| [16:12:39] | wagnerrp: | and ad new ones |
| [16:12:47] | josh_: | hmm |
| [16:13:10] | josh_: | it's worth a shot, only a database backup away from being the way it was |
| [16:14:03] | iamlindoro: | I'll toss this in the ring again, I'm suspecting Israel is Using AAC w/ LATM |
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| [16:16:21] | wagnerrp: | bleh... spurious space character screwing up my regexes |
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| [16:17:13] | Dassu: | Is it possible to stop kernel from loading CI interface for a tv card but still keep recording features of the card working ? |
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| [16:18:06] | josh_: | Dassu, "CI interface?" |
| [16:18:20] | iamlindoro: | Dassu: possibly a module option, but #linuxtv would know better |
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| [16:18:48] | iamlindoro: | Dassu: Don't see any reason the card shouldn't work without the CI/CAM, though |
| [16:19:25] | Dassu: | Ok. It is just that it takes forever to load during the boot |
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| [16:21:30] | sphery: | gbee: Re: your request for being able to specify a list of tables to restore, I was wrong--it took 6 lines of code, not 10. :) Got it working, but am holding it for one issue. I wondered about your expectations. We have 2 options for how it works: a) TRUNCATE the table before restore or b) DROP/CREATE the table. a) is much easier and has the benefit that it would be impossible for a user to restore, i.e., a 0.21-fixes ... |
| [16:21:37] | sphery: | ... table into a trunk DB schema. Thoughts? |
| [16:23:00] | sphery: | However, occationally, a user will "accidentally" drop some table (or mess with the schema) and wants to go back to a proper table definition. So, I can imagine having another option allowing the user to specify a list of tables to DROP/CREATE before restore. |
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| [16:24:44] | sphery: | I guess I could also copy all the data from a to-be-TRUNC'ed table to another temp table before TRUNCATING just in case there's a failure on restore (i.e. if they have wrong-schema-version data) |
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| [16:24:52] | GuySoft: | gbee, http://gnet.homelinux.com/files/test_output.mpg .. here see if you can run this |
| [16:25:09] | sphery: | gbee: So, nvm... I think in asking you how it should work, I've figured it out. Thanks. :) |
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| [16:30:28] | gbee: | sphery: ok, I like option a) personally, but go with whichever you prefer |
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| [16:34:51] | sphery: | gbee: yeah, going with a) for now and will eventually add in more code to make it safer and allow a drop/create |
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| [16:35:19] | juski: | ahh LATM.. that was the acronym I couldn't remember |
| [16:35:47] | josh_: | wagnerrp, I'm heading to the house for lunch. I'm available for help testing if you need me, when I get back. |
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| [16:55:19] | caseyd: | I've been reading around on the wiki and such, but wanted to get someones opinion on which capture card would be the best for my older 2ghz with 4gbs of ram computer. I have analog cable. Thanks =) |
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| [16:55:46] | caseyd: | oh and the case is a low profile one, so i need to find low profile cards |
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| [17:01:10] | iamlindoro: | guysoft42: I'm still not convinced that Israel isn't using LATM audio |
| [17:01:13] | iamlindoro: | in fact, I think it probably is |
| [17:01:21] | guysoft42: | ok, um, is there a way to get mythv to play this stream: http://gnet.homelinux.com/files/test_output.mpg .. |
| [17:01:25] | iamlindoro: | which means it's not about myth, but about the fact that ffmpeg has no LATM support |
| [17:01:29] | guysoft42: | gbee, and how did you get to see the faulty header |
| [17:01:47] | iamlindoro: | He's not seeing a faulty header, he's running ffmpeg -i test_output.mpg |
| [17:01:58] | iamlindoro: | which identifies what would be the audio stream as data |
| [17:02:13] | iamlindoro: | which, to me, indicates that it's probably LATM, which is unsupported in ffmpeg/myth |
| [17:02:32] | iamlindoro: | VLC/mplayer almost definitely have the hacked patch for LATM support applied-- we do not |
| [17:02:38] | iamlindoro: | search trac for LATM if you want to test the patch |
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| [17:03:45] | caseyd: | what do you guys use for capture cards? |
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| [17:04:29] | wagnerrp: | PVR-150s, HVR-1250s, HDHRs |
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| [17:06:51] | juski: | caseyd: 3x Leadtek LR6650 DVB-T tuner cards :D |
| [17:07:42] | caseyd: | im hoping to find one that does a lot of the work itself and doesn't rely much on my slow processor |
| [17:07:46] | juski: | caseyd: a better way to ask the question would be to decide what you *need* to receive TV where you live, then consult the linuxtv.org wiki & see which cards are supported for that format, and then (and only then when you're satisfied) go shopping |
| [17:08:23] | caseyd: | yeah I asked eariler what i should get and explained my situation =)... the 2nd question was more of a reask |
| [17:08:25] | juski: | for analogue cable your best bet is probably a Hauppauge mpeg2 encoding card |
| [17:08:46] | juski: | the pvr150 & the dual version of that, the pvr500 |
| [17:08:51] | caseyd: | sweet thats what I was looking for |
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| [17:09:06] | juski: | and more recently some of their 'hybrid' cards from the HVR series |
| [17:09:19] | juski: | but not many of them work in linux yet on the analogue side |
| [17:09:46] | juski: | you'll be lucky to find a new pvr150 or 500 card these days in the US, but you didn't say where you are |
| [17:09:54] | caseyd: | yep us |
| [17:09:57] | juski: | plenty of them on ebay though apparently |
| [17:10:00] | caseyd: | thanks so much for your help =) |
| [17:10:08] | juski: | and bear in mind your analogue cable may not stay analogue for much longer |
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| [17:10:36] | caseyd: | yeahh their still advertising it as the free cable that comes along with your internet or digi cable |
| [17:10:43] | caseyd: | so for awhile anyway |
| [17:11:14] | juski: | but even with digital cable you generally need either a STB with firewire (and capture TV through firewire) or an analogue capture card to grab the output of a digital set top box |
| [17:11:24] | Gav8in: | Our local provider (comcast) is stopping NTSC on their cable network in october |
| [17:11:45] | juski: | and that's because cable companies in the US generally encrypt a lot, if not everything they offer |
| [17:12:02] | Gav8in: | cable companies are required to provide clear QAM of local broadcast stations |
| [17:12:07] | caseyd: | I have cox in the OKC area, their new marketing campaign leads me to believe they will have the analog service for awhile longer |
| [17:12:14] | caseyd: | yeah I get the QAM of the local HDs too |
| [17:12:18] | juski: | they don't always do that though Gav8in ;-) |
| [17:12:21] | Gav8in: | however, that rule wasn't written well enough, and many providers only give the SD version in clear QAM |
| [17:12:25] | Gav8in: | and yeah, they don't always do it |
| [17:12:38] | caseyd: | thanks for the help, got to go |
| [17:12:40] | caseyd: | bbl |
| [17:12:41] | juski: | I don't know for a fact, I've just seen people moan about that here ;-) |
| [17:12:54] | kormoc: | Gav8in, but keep in mind, Comcast is a franchise and thus not all the franchises will be doing the same |
| [17:13:05] | Gav8in: | i know the provider in the town next to me only has standard def clearqam, and their legal dept says that's fine |
| [17:13:14] | Gav8in: | and yeah, what i said about comcast applies to comcast in cambridge, ma |
| [17:13:52] | ** kormoc wonders at Gav8in's CA hostname if he's local to cambridge, ma ** | |
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| [17:14:24] | Gav8in: | there's no requirement in CA domain that your host or the domain owner be in Canada |
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| [17:14:57] | kormoc: | sure there is |
| [17:15:01] | Gav8in: | nope |
| [17:15:05] | Gav8in: | srsly! |
| [17:15:48] | Gav8in: | http://www.cira.ca/assets/Documents/Legal/Registrants/CPR.pdf <--- pg 1, (2)(a) |
| [17:15:56] | Gav8in: | the "canadian presence requirement" can be met by being canadian. |
| [17:16:26] | Gav8in: | anyway, traceroute ytz.ca, you'll see it's in cambridge on speakeasy DSL |
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| [17:16:48] | kormoc: | sure, being Canadian fits it well enough |
| [17:16:51] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [17:16:54] | kormoc: | just seems odd |
| [17:17:04] | Gav8in: | hulu won't let me watch their videos |
| [17:17:15] | Gav8in: | and i can't get my free annual credit reports from home |
| [17:17:18] | Gav8in: | because some geolocation |
| [17:17:29] | Gav8in: | services think I'm not in the USA, which is broken, but there they are |
| [17:18:03] | kormoc: | nah, it's a valid restriction, as Canadians aren't paying for the content, so even if you're a canadian in the us... |
| [17:18:11] | Gav8in: | ??? |
| [17:18:37] | Gav8in: | i don't understand |
| [17:19:14] | kormoc: | The gonvernment is paying for the free credit reports, by shouting "I'm a Canadian!", you're cutting the US only funding off |
| [17:19:40] | kormoc: | It's not only about physical location |
| [17:20:00] | Gav8in: | but the gov't isn't paying for them, but what would being canadian have to do with anything? i pay more taxes to the US gov't than most americans. |
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| [17:20:37] | kormoc: | The Government is paying for them, the bill that required them to be done also pays out to the credit report companies a yearly amount to cover it |
| [17:20:51] | Gav8in: | I had no idea. well, i'm helping finance that. |
| [17:20:56] | kormoc: | sure, but they don't know that, they just know you're saying, "I'm a canadian" |
| [17:21:03] | Gav8in: | but i'm not |
| [17:21:07] | juski: | ahem. I keep looking back at blootube-wide & thinking it's not actually half bad after all. Least the menus ain't |
| [17:21:24] | kormoc: | you did when you registered a .ca domain, as the requirements are to be a Canadian citizen |
| [17:21:33] | Gav8in: | but what does being canadian have to do with if I'm american? |
| [17:21:44] | kormoc: | cause it's a American only program |
| [17:21:45] | Gav8in: | that's not really related, either. |
| [17:21:52] | wagnerrp: | canadians are americans |
| [17:21:56] | Gav8in: | but, if you know someone's canadian, you still don't know if they're american |
| [17:22:00] | Gav8in: | well, some canadians are american, some are not |
| [17:22:05] | Gav8in: | my sons are both, but i'm not american |
| [17:22:11] | kormoc: | The US hold a very one sided view on it |
| [17:22:15] | guysoft42: | gbee, do you think the labelling is intentional? someone just hypothesised here that they are doing it so people wont be able to buy viewers from aboard, because we pay tax on television here.. |
| [17:22:18] | wagnerrp: | all canadians are american |
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| [17:22:37] | kormoc: | they only recently started honoroing dual citizenship, but with the express requirement that your US citizenship is the only one you legally follow |
| [17:22:40] | wagnerrp: | in the same manner that all brits are european |
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| [17:23:00] | kormoc: | (by recently I mean in '78, but anyway) |
| [17:23:01] | juski: | wagnerrp: good job I call myself English then eh |
| [17:23:24] | Gav8in: | certainly americans shouldn't ever claim to be anything but american dealing with their gov't, sure |
| [17:23:34] | jduggan: | and i welsh :D |
| [17:23:47] | Gav8in: | but again, that doesn't seem connected to my darn free credit report, as residents are supposed to get it, i'm a resident, but alas, geolocation no work for me. |
| [17:23:52] | GuySoft: | juski, whats the LAM patch? |
| [17:23:59] | juski: | LATM |
| [17:24:02] | kormoc: | Gav8in, and you're announcing to the internet that you're Canadian, for a American only program |
| [17:24:04] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [17:24:08] | kormoc: | It makes sense to me, tis all |
| [17:24:27] | Gav8in: | if by american above you mean "people in america", I guess I see it a bit. |
| [17:24:39] | Gav8in: | i'll probably change my reverse to something in .com soon for the hulu anyway |
| [17:24:41] | kormoc: | Well, people who have American Citizenship |
| [17:24:45] | GuySoft: | juski, what is it? |
| [17:24:55] | Gav8in: | no, american citizenship doesn't entitle you to a free credit report though |
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| [17:25:01] | GuySoft: | juski, how can it solve the problem? |
| [17:25:02] | kormoc: | It certainly does |
| [17:25:06] | juski: | GuySoft: http://tinyurl.com/mkctnp |
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| [17:25:18] | kormoc: | the free credit report requires that you have a social security number |
| [17:25:24] | kormoc: | if you're not a citizen, you have no number |
| [17:25:33] | Gav8in: | that's not true! |
| [17:25:36] | juski: | GuySoft: because it's likely your broadcaster is putting out audio encoded with a method your version of mythtv & of ffmpeg cannot interpret |
| [17:25:37] | Gav8in: | i have an SSN |
| [17:25:51] | wagnerrp: | we need a better name for ourselves... |
| [17:25:53] | Gav8in: | lots and lots of foreign nationals have them... |
| [17:25:57] | GuySoft: | juski, ok... ill patch and compile |
| [17:26:00] | wagnerrp: | 'American' just really isnt correct |
| [17:26:09] | wagnerrp: | and 'unitedstaters'... well that sucks |
| [17:26:13] | kormoc: | Gav8in, and you're a citizen |
| [17:26:17] | Gav8in: | of Canada! |
| [17:26:21] | Gav8in: | but not of the USA! |
| [17:26:31] | kormoc: | then you don't have a SSN |
| [17:26:34] | Gav8in: | I do! |
| [17:26:37] | Gav8in: | Lots of foreigners do! |
| [17:26:49] | kormoc: | there's another term for a tax id for a non-national |
| [17:26:59] | Gav8in: | There is! My wife uses one of those, an ITIN |
| [17:27:02] | Gav8in: | I however, have an SSN |
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| [17:27:29] | Gav8in: | I'm not confused on this, it's for real. You are required to get an SSN if you are required to pay social security; generally if you are permitted to work. |
| [17:27:53] | Gav8in: | So foreign nationals in the US with a green card, on H-1b status, H-2 status, L-1 status, they all generaly have SSNs. |
| [17:28:00] | juski: | GuySoft: you probably want http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . -aac.2.patch |
| [17:28:11] | GuySoft: | juski, ok |
| [17:28:36] | juski: | GuySoft: but don't try to use that – the original patch not formatted by trac is here: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/raw-attachment/tic . . . -aac.2.patch |
| [17:28:41] | kormoc: | Gav8in, well, they have a clause on the card that reads, "VALID FOR WORK ONLY WITH DHS AUTHORIZATION", most people don't consider those true SSN's, as they're only valid with a work permit |
| [17:28:43] | Gav8in: | in the 90s, they even let you get an SSN just to satisfy the RMV/DMV requirement you provide one, but now that's not cool, my wife had to instead show the RMV that she didn't have an SSN by bringing a letter that said she didn't have one |
| [17:29:07] | Gav8in: | Most of the people I described wouldn't have that restriction, such as people with green cards. |
| [17:29:27] | Gav8in: | But I do, sure. But it's a real SSN, I pay real social security, and I really can claim social security when I retire, etc..., wherever I live. |
| [17:29:48] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [17:30:02] | kormoc: | A green card is what most people consider enough to claim citizenship too |
| [17:30:12] | GuySoft: | juski, yes i saw |
| [17:30:45] | gbee: | GuySoft: it's often intentional, a way of making you use their STBs etc and preventing use of DVRs like mythtv |
| [17:30:51] | ** GuySoft patched and making ** | |
| [17:31:19] | GuySoft: | gbee, well, i am making a repo with it.. they can go to hell with their closed source stuff |
| [17:31:22] | gbee: | ahh, ok, the latm patch might be what you need |
| [17:31:31] | GuySoft: | gbee, we sill know soon.. |
| [17:31:39] | GuySoft: | and then, i am posting about it |
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| [17:32:18] | juski: | what does LATM stand for anyway? |
| [17:32:20] | ** juski googles ** | |
| [17:32:26] | gbee: | if that patch fixes it, then it's not intentional, just that they use a variety of AAC that ffmpeg (libav) doesn't know about yet |
| [17:32:56] | ** gbee guesses Low Amplitude Transverse Modulation ** | |
| [17:32:59] | gbee: | :p |
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| [17:34:45] | sphery: | Low-overhead MPEG-4 Audio Transport Multiplex |
| [17:34:48] | gbee: | fwiw that wasn't even an educated guess, just stringing random words together |
| [17:35:05] | sid3windr: | transvestite modulation? |
| [17:35:34] | juski: | what a crap acronym |
| [17:35:34] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Audio_C . . . iner_formats |
| [17:35:51] | sphery: | Seems to me it should be LOMATM |
| [17:36:03] | sphery: | or LOM4ATM |
| [17:36:22] | iamlindoro: | Lights Out Management for Automatic Teller Machines? |
| [17:37:33] | iamlindoro: | gbee: buttonlists in terra/graphite/default video-ui.xml will need a little update after your commit this AM, no? |
| [17:37:50] | juski: | another thing they don't have to do.. bugger them all to hell |
| [17:39:02] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Think buttonimage needs to become coverimage? |
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| [17:40:45] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you should probably add 'serviceid' to the mythweb channel editor, even if only as a read-only field |
| [17:41:00] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [17:41:03] | sphery: | I wonder when someone will begin the Great Theme Culling... |
| [17:41:04] | kormoc: | What's it used for? |
| [17:41:13] | juski: | sphery: just say the word :D |
| [17:41:17] | wagnerrp: | the programid within the stream |
| [17:41:18] | sphery: | I.e. what's the use in having 10 names for default? |
| [17:41:18] | juski: | (kidding) |
| [17:41:18] | kormoc: | Word |
| [17:41:24] | iamlindoro: | word! |
| [17:41:34] | sphery: | word up! |
| [17:42:03] | juski: | word to your momma |
| [17:42:03] | wagnerrp: | otherwise, you just get the frequency, not very usable if youre trying to identify channels |
| [17:42:05] | wagnerrp: | not the momma |
| [17:42:15] | juski: | again! |
| [17:42:16] | ** wagnerrp gets out the frying pan ** | |
| [17:42:31] | GuySoft: | gbee, sounds good :) |
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| [17:42:40] | GuySoft: | .. lets see if it works, when the compiler is done |
| [17:42:49] | juski: | right, let's see if mythmusic is broken today |
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| [17:43:32] | juski: | I mean, let's see if mythmusic still works after my last commit |
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| [17:47:29] | juski: | sphery: just thought – prolly a good idea to go through all the mythui'd screens in /themes & remove all the old xml files |
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| [17:47:44] | juski: | a good first step which won't hurt anything |
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| [17:48:13] | j-rod: | is it just me, or does everyone else get random people mailing them directly, thinking you're their personal mythtv tech support? |
| [17:48:33] | juski: | it's just you |
| [17:48:48] | juski: | because you're famous |
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| [17:49:08] | j-rod: | and if you answer one tiny question, its a never-ending stream of more... |
| [17:49:14] | j-rod: | 'famous', haha |
| [17:49:53] | jams: | j-rod- it happens I don't mind answereing some questions, but the stream is what bugs me |
| [17:49:56] | juski: | have an alias for the mailing lists :) |
| [17:50:14] | iamlindoro: | Yarood Wheelson |
| [17:50:20] | janneg: | I got my share with the DVB-S2 patches but usually it's not that often |
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| [17:50:36] | juski: | I had it for a while with theming too |
| [17:50:46] | Dagmar: | I like how answering one dumb-ass question invariably gets you more. |
| [17:50:57] | juski: | lots of people wanting to customise things to silly extents |
| [17:51:03] | Dagmar: | Even when you say something like "a retarded can of beans could websearch this answer, but..." |
| [17:51:19] | juski: | it was enough to almost make me feel bad about accepting donations |
| [17:51:56] | juski: | but then I looked at my shiny new sportscar & thought "nah". |
| [17:52:05] | juski: | if only.. |
| [17:52:06] | Dagmar: | I NEED MUH YS TO HAV A LONGR TAIL TO MATCH HOW I RITE MY NAME. HOW DO U DO THS? |
| [17:52:39] | juski: | he's a keeper. just look at all that punctuation |
| [17:53:02] | Dagmar: | I know... no matter how had I try my literacy keeps showing through. |
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| [17:53:59] | Dagmar: | Of course, it would help if I weren't using 7-point fonts with PuTTY so I'd at least have an idea that I typoed something. |
| [17:56:13] | j-rod: | jams: yeah, a few is fine, I like helping to a point... but some people... |
| [17:56:34] | juski: | send em all invoices :P |
| [17:56:41] | ** j-rod likes this idea ** | |
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| [17:56:56] | j-rod: | or write the replies in paypal receipts that only show up once paid |
| [17:57:19] | jams: | thats a great idea |
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| [18:14:58] | android6011: | can anyone recommend a good analog/digital card that is relatively cheap |
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| [18:15:42] | caseyd: | this one looks great, but I don't have PCI-e on my mythbox so I haven't tried it – http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr1250.html |
| [18:16:55] | android6011: | ya im using my pcie slot so i probably should have mentioned id prefer pci. |
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| [18:22:45] | wagnerrp: | android6011: youve got good/cheap/digital, pick two out of three |
| [18:22:54] | wagnerrp: | err... cheap/analog/digital |
| [18:23:13] | sid3windr: | I'll take cheap analog for 400 ! |
| [18:23:18] | GuySoft: | gbee, juski compiled and run, still no sound. checking if i did not do anything stupid |
| [18:23:28] | android6011: | ya i know thats my problem. i cant find anything with all 3 |
| [18:23:36] | wagnerrp: | the only card that does analog and digital is the HVR-1600, and its not particularly cheap |
| [18:23:45] | GuySoft: | juski, gbee also, i just noticed i keep getting an error in the backend. maybe its connected: 2009-08–19 21:21:33.781 [h264 @ 0xb73ecf44]number of reference frames exceeds max (probably corrupt input), discarding on |
| [18:24:22] | android6011: | ive been looking at pvr 150 and pvr 350 for cheap analog |
| [18:24:33] | android6011: | is the 350 better than the 150? |
| [18:24:35] | wagnerrp: | dont bother with the 250 and 350 |
| [18:24:43] | android6011: | why? |
| [18:24:50] | wagnerrp: | the 350 has a hardware decoder and video output |
| [18:24:51] | android6011: | i know 150 replaced 250 |
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| [18:25:04] | wagnerrp: | however the 250 and 350 are older cards, the 150 tends to have newer/better parts |
| [18:25:20] | android6011: | what if i can get a 350 for $15? |
| [18:25:21] | wagnerrp: | aside from being less expensive |
| [18:25:21] | gbee: | GuySoft: ran make install? |
| [18:25:39] | GuySoft: | gbee, yes, checkinstall.. let me try a few things |
| [18:25:43] | wagnerrp: | android6011: then you can probably find a 150 for $15 too |
| [18:25:45] | android6011: | seems like all the 150s i see are about 20 or more |
| [18:25:45] | gbee: | no, make install |
| [18:26:05] | kormoc: | android6011, the quality is well worth the $5 extra.... |
| [18:26:24] | android6011: | ok. so as far as analog quality goes, the pvr 150 is the best? |
| [18:26:25] | gbee: | the corruption error is unrelated |
| [18:26:53] | wagnerrp: | i see a bunch of buy-it-now's for $30-$40 |
| [18:27:02] | wagnerrp: | but it seems all the ones that are actually bids are <$20 |
| [18:27:18] | android6011: | ya ive been bidding on 150s, but they jump way up in last 30 seconds |
| [18:28:01] | android6011: | i could have got 1 the other day for $8.50 and free ship, but the guy said something about having to tune it |
| [18:28:18] | android6011: | by messing with a screw inside it |
| [18:29:41] | Dagmar: | i.e., it was broken crap |
| [18:29:51] | android6011: | exactly |
| [18:30:01] | Dagmar: | So um, here's the deal |
| [18:30:27] | sphery: | Would be quite a challenge to write a channel change script to work that screwdriver. |
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| [18:30:33] | Dagmar: | Login, and set _watches_ on a dozen or so of the things. Wait for them to clear. Figure the average of what they closed for. Take 10% off it. Make a freaking bid of that much. |
| [18:30:51] | Dagmar: | That will actually stop a lot of people from bidding hte thing up |
| [18:30:57] | sphery: | (Though, really, since the internal analog tuner is completely useless in the US, it's not that big a deal.) |
| [18:31:18] | android6011: | if you have regular cable its not useless |
| [18:31:21] | sphery: | i.e. you need an external tuner, so just use S-Video out (or composite, yuck) |
| [18:31:31] | Dagmar: | Later we'll go over how to screw that auction site that charges you every time you bid |
| [18:31:33] | sphery: | regular cable is useless :) |
| [18:31:44] | sphery: | OK, I'll qualify that and say, mostly useless in the US |
| [18:31:57] | sphery: | as most cable co's are dropping analog with a vengeance |
| [18:31:58] | Dagmar: | Completely not useless for people with standard cable. |
| [18:32:04] | android6011: | if you have hd through a cable box, what input do you need on a tv tuner? |
| [18:32:23] | Dagmar: | Really, which cable francises have already stopped doing analog over coax? |
| [18:32:24] | josh_: | My HVR-1600 ended up being $119 or so when i got it |
| [18:32:24] | android6011: | like component in or something? |
| [18:32:28] | sphery: | android6011: component (which means only the HD-PVR) |
| [18:32:42] | sphery: | or you can use S-Video/composite and get SDTV |
| [18:32:45] | android6011: | i got my hvr 1800 for 35 |
| [18:32:46] | josh_: | Dagmar, I'm reading that Comcast is trasitioning right now |
| [18:33:02] | Dagmar: | They want people to *think* they're going to drop coax so they'll sign up for the more expensive digital services, but I've yet to see anyone drop analog |
| [18:33:05] | josh_: | They're still broadcasting in analog in my area though |
| [18:33:07] | android6011: | sphery: so there is only 1 device that allows mythtv to get hd? |
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| [18:33:10] | sphery: | android6011: probably bought it from a Myth user who ended up getting one that actually works with myth :) |
| [18:33:15] | android6011: | besides clear qam or atsc |
| [18:33:32] | sphery: | android6011: there's only one device that allows MythTV (ney, Linux) to get /analog/ HDTV |
| [18:33:47] | sphery: | s/ney/nay/ |
| [18:33:56] | android6011: | sphery: no i talked to the guy, he said something about xp media center and i was like, i need it now, how much do you want and we can bypass ebay/paypal fees |
| [18:34:06] | sphery: | cool |
| [18:34:10] | josh_: | android6011, plenty of set top boxes can provide HD over firewire |
| [18:34:26] | sphery: | eventually it should be fine in Myth... Just gotta wait for drivers to catch up or something, I think. |
| [18:34:31] | josh_: | Most cable providers lock them down though. |
| [18:34:32] | android6011: | ok so a cable box and firewire card would get hd |
| [18:34:53] | android6011: | sphery: ya i talked to uhh, i think steven toth was his name, he said they hope to have drivers fixed in a few weeks (2 weeks ago) |
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| [18:35:50] | sphery: | yeah, he's the one who's working it |
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| [18:39:12] | cityLights: | hi all |
| [18:39:19] | cityLights: | I am here |
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| [18:39:57] | cityLights: | assume I went to a job interview and wasnt asked any technical questions may I assume the position sucks? |
| [18:40:25] | kormoc: | depends who interviewed you |
| [18:40:45] | Gav8in: | first interview? second? |
| [18:40:46] | josh_: | cityLights, could have been a preliminary interview |
| [18:40:48] | jams: | and what you interviewed for |
| [18:40:59] | Gav8in: | who was the interviewer? your potential boss? an HR person? |
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| [18:41:02] | Dagmar: | You might not be going for a technical interview and just know nothing about the job you applied ofr.. |
| [18:41:28] | Dagmar: | ...or you could have foolishly applied at a place that knows you're not fit to work there and they're trying not to hurt your feelings |
| [18:42:22] | kormoc: | ...or ...or ...or ...or ...or |
| [18:44:31] | Dagmar: | ...or ya might be gay. |
| [18:44:42] | ** kormoc eyes Dagmar ** | |
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| [18:45:04] | Dagmar: | Look but don't touch, boy-o |
| [18:45:06] | jams: | that was uncalled for |
| [18:45:14] | kormoc: | Very much so |
| [18:45:23] | Gav8in: | i think gay people are allowed to have jobs these days |
| [18:45:59] | Dagmar: | It seemed like kormoc was wanting something |
| [18:46:00] | cityLights: | second interview after a phone interview |
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| [18:47:12] | Gav8in: | who was the interviewer? |
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| [18:47:54] | sphery: | Joan Rivers? |
| [18:48:23] | Gav8in: | ooh, she's sassy! |
| [18:50:02] | Dagmar: | She's laminated |
| [18:50:20] | Gav8in: | i loved her with Zha Zha on Hollywood Squares |
| [18:50:24] | Gav8in: | now that was good TV! |
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| [19:02:41] | GuySoft: | gbee, ok, its working! but there is a problem |
| [19:03:01] | GuySoft: | it keeps freezing, and writing this in the output when it freezes: 2009-08–19 22:02:30.291 NVP: Waiting for prebuffer.. 2 AAUAAAUAAAAAAAAALAUUUAuULALALAA |
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| [19:06:19] | GuySoft: | juski, whats the prebuffer? |
| [19:09:15] | sphery: | GuySoft: Prebuffer is reading data into the buffer so it can play back smoothly. If you're constantly getting prebuffering pauses, you have an issue: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause |
| [19:10:00] | sphery: | unfortunately, it can be caused by any of a number of things, so only way to find out what's causing the problem is trial and error discovery |
| [19:11:33] | GuySoft: | gbee, at least i have a solution for the sound.. |
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| [19:17:20] | benn: | juski: Sorry, had to go AFK – did you have any suggestions that I could try? |
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| [19:19:20] | Spirits-Sight: | any thing new going on with mythtv |
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| [19:20:53] | gbee: | always, depends on your reference point, but development continues 24/7 and new features are added every other day |
| [19:21:53] | GuySoft: | sphery, the backend is running "flag commercials" and taking 100%cpu, i think its that.. |
| [19:22:24] | GuySoft: | sphery, is there a way to stop that? |
| [19:23:18] | sphery: | go into Watch Recordings and select the recording that's being flagged and INFO|Job Options|Stop Transcoding |
| [19:23:25] | sphery: | er, Stop Commercial Flagging |
| [19:23:51] | sphery: | if you want to prevent it from happening while recording, disable "near-real-time" commflagging |
| [19:24:15] | sphery: | if you want to prevent it from happening during your normal viewing hours, change the settings for the job queue in mythtv-setup |
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| [19:29:12] | cityLights: | hi sphey |
| [19:29:15] | cityLights: | hi guy |
| [19:29:47] | cityLights: | sphery: did you get a chance to look in to the issue we talked abot last night? |
| [19:30:11] | cityLights: | guy: did you try to record that show we discussed yesterday? |
| [19:30:35] | cityLights: | a show with a title that has only hebrew letters? |
| [19:30:52] | cityLights: | (am I too late ) |
| [19:31:32] | GuySoft: | sphery, ok, its the only think using the cpu now.. andi know what the problem is.. |
| [19:31:45] | GuySoft: | its giving out the error: 2009-08–19 22:30:54.560 WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [19:32:11] | sphery: | cityLights: I didn't get a chance to look, yet... I'll get to it, but it probably won't be too soon. |
| [19:32:23] | sphery: | it /is/ on my TODO list, though. :) |
| [19:32:31] | cityLights: | thanks mate |
| [19:32:46] | cityLights: | I am just tring to come here to see if I can help with that |
| [19:32:57] | cityLights: | guy: ? |
| [19:33:12] | GuySoft: | cityLights, i better talk to my friend, he worked on that.. |
| [19:33:42] | cityLights: | thanks guy |
| [19:33:53] | GuySoft: | cityLights, yes.. i had a discovery today.. it seems like our ministry messes up DVB probably internationally |
| [19:34:15] | cityLights: | pls exaplin this dvb issue |
| [19:34:29] | cityLights: | dvb-t was suppose to comence niw |
| [19:34:30] | cityLights: | now |
| [19:35:02] | GuySoft: | cityLights, well it seems like the container of the audio is not labeled correctly, so mythtv and other viewers can access it with ease.. |
| [19:35:18] | GuySoft: | cityLights it means that you carn't buy viewers form aboard |
| [19:35:25] | GuySoft: | hang on, i had an idea! |
| [19:35:26] | cityLights: | so you need to rewrite the dvb content? |
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| [19:37:20] | juski: | benn: try using aplay with the device name & see if you can output audio |
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| [19:37:40] | juski: | benn: other than that I've no idea. you'll have to ask somebody who has actually used spdif over HDMI :P |
| [19:37:55] | benn: | :P |
| [19:38:00] | benn: | ta anyway tho :) |
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| [19:38:30] | benn: | Now for my next question – anyone managed to build v4l-dvb on ubuntu karmic? ;) |
| [19:38:31] | GuySoft: | cityLights, i am with my friend on the phone, can you describe your problem in a sentence? |
| [19:39:18] | GuySoft: | benn, i did on debian.. |
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| [19:39:43] | GuySoft: | cityLights, can you answer? i am on the phone still.. and i need to hang up soon |
| [19:40:26] | sphery: | he's the one for whom a recording rule with all hebrew characters is not matching the episodes in his listings |
| [19:40:47] | gbee: | GuySoft: since the LATM patch worked for you, it looks more like they just used an supported form of AAC encoding |
| [19:40:59] | Spirits-Sight: | any thing new going on with mythtv? new verion in beta can try better auto configuration of WinTV USB 850 I think? any idea if close captioning is working just by click on check box / dropdown menu or what not when watching TV |
| [19:41:45] | juski: | GuySoft: it worked? heh if only I'd remembered what LATM was called yesterday :P |
| [19:41:48] | GuySoft: | gbee, but the messed up labellings? and it still does not work.. |
| [19:42:17] | gbee: | GuySoft: oh, sorry, thought you said earlier it did work |
| [19:42:19] | GuySoft: | i mean, i have audio, but now the audio makes the system get stuck on regular 0.5 sec interfals |
| [19:42:26] | juski: | gbee: any idea what strings are displayed in the visualiser text? trying to get an idea of the longest I'll see |
| [19:42:42] | juski: | GuySoft: that's probably more something to do with video playback profiles |
| [19:43:04] | juski: | gbee: nevermind I'll dig in the source. no excuse for being lazy |
| [19:43:09] | GuySoft: | juski, anything i should look at? |
| [19:43:33] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: lots of new stuff in Myth. Ubuntu 9.10 should be using the new version that should be released before 9.10 is. |
| [19:43:35] | gbee: | juski: not really, you'd need to look at likely visualiser names, personally I think including that detail is a waste of space, you can _see_ the visualiser, you don't need text giving the name |
| [19:43:45] | ** GuySoft playes with configures ** | |
| [19:44:04] | GuySoft: | 2009-08–19 22:43:49.646 NVP: prebuffering pause |
| [19:44:05] | GuySoft: | 2009-08–19 22:43:49.656 WriteAudio: buffer underrun |
| [19:44:20] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: however, until the new version is released, the best bet is 0.21-fixes (unless you're willing to read about 18mos of back messages on the -dev and -commits lists so that you're up to date on the changes) |
| [19:44:24] | gbee: | Spirits-Sight: closed captioning has been available in mythtv for years |
| [19:45:00] | gbee: | now auto-configuration of cards, but it's hardly that difficult either |
| [19:45:08] | Spirits-Sight: | I have never been able to get it to work, when I had it installed |
| [19:45:30] | Spirits-Sight: | I not alking about subtitles just in case thats what your thinking |
| [19:45:32] | juski: | gbee: I guess I'm really asking if ProjectM visuals end up with the whole of the silly name reported ;) |
| [19:45:35] | sphery: | where "now auto-configuration" means "no auto-configuration", right? |
| [19:45:53] | juski: | one easy way to find out |
| [19:45:58] | gbee: | was your "WinTV USB 850" actually supported by linux? |
| [19:46:09] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: what type of TV source? ATSC, DVB, analog? |
| [19:46:24] | gbee: | juski: ProjectM visuals usually end with a crash |
| [19:46:25] | Spirits-Sight: | DVB |
| [19:46:29] | josh_: | sphery, ham radio. |
| [19:46:45] | Spirits-Sight: | in the USA |
| [19:46:59] | gbee: | heh, right |
| [19:47:07] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: there's no DVB in the USA |
| [19:47:16] | JEDIDIAH__: | setting up the HDPVR and HDHR aren't terribly demanding. |
| [19:47:17] | juski: | gbee: I know. sod it, I'll make Synaesthesia or whatever it's called fit. it's the longest 'working' visualiser name |
| [19:47:20] | sphery: | (unless you're stealing satellite, in which case don't talk about it) |
| [19:47:32] | juski: | people can send patches for the rest :P |
| [19:47:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...did both of those recently as my old master died. |
| [19:47:37] | Spirits-Sight: | sorry ATSC sphery |
| [19:47:40] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: so do you mean ATSC or QAM |
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| [19:48:03] | ** GuySoft still gets buffer overrun.. but in different patterns when changing audio configures ** | |
| [19:48:05] | Spirits-Sight: | sphery: I think the device has QAM also but not sure |
| [19:48:12] | JEDIDIAH__: | the channel scan of the HDHR was a little odd though. |
| [19:48:13] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: then you likely just need to use EIA-608 captions instead of the EIA-708 captions. The EIA-708 support in myth is, er, unfinished... |
| [19:48:51] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/386978#386978 |
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| [19:51:48] | juski: | gbee: read a report on a forum recently where projectm visuals can be made to not crash on exit |
| [19:52:07] | juski: | gbee: something about changing to a myth visualiser first, then going to projectm |
| [19:52:29] | juski: | so there might be some sort of initialisation snafu |
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| [19:52:59] | juski: | anyway, people who want to watch their music should either get videos or take stronger drugs |
| [19:53:25] | sphery: | +1 |
| [19:53:35] | GuySoft: | brb, changing Xorg.xonfig |
| [19:53:35] | gbee: | +infinity |
| [19:53:38] | GuySoft: | config* |
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| [19:53:53] | meshe: | haha |
| [19:54:16] | gbee: | I don't want anything to do with the visualisers, I don't use them (just the album art visualiser which should never had been a visualiser) |
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| [19:54:52] | juski: | I can hear them all now.. "muh, but eggsbee-emmcee... " |
| [19:55:11] | sphery: | does that mean the album art visualizer will get done right in the mythui conversion? *fingers crossed* |
| [19:55:14] | juski: | wonder how much bounty it'd take to get Jeff Minter to sort it all out |
| [19:55:18] | sphery: | (not that I'm trying to give you more work to do :) |
| [19:56:08] | gbee: | sphery: it won't be a visualiser at least |
| [19:56:15] | juski: | sphery: I've set my sights on trying to do a coverart youknowwhat.. for testing purposes |
| [19:56:25] | juski: | something to keep me busy in the winter nights |
| [19:56:40] | gbee: | someone may want to create an album art slideshow visualiser, but it won't be me |
| [19:57:01] | juski: | just shoehorn mythgallery's gl slideshow stuff in there |
| [19:57:30] | juski: | sadly I think the days of album covers being actual works of art are almost gone ;-) |
| [19:58:25] | juski: | we could have a 'pub jukebox' mode where nothing you choose ever gets played :P |
| [19:58:38] | gbee: | heh |
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| [19:59:12] | sphery: | juski: maybe we could even find a good/legal source for grabbing cover art... iamlindoro found one for games, so maybe there's one out there for music. |
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| [19:59:32] | juski: | sphery: none that I know of, and I've looked hard |
| [19:59:37] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, That's going to be "iamlindoro's MythTV .23 community challenge" |
| [19:59:38] | juski: | (in the past) |
| [19:59:40] | sphery: | oh, too bad |
| [19:59:57] | iamlindoro: | as in "Hey, if one of you will write the grabber, I will make it work w/ MythGame" |
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| [20:00:11] | juski: | unless you want to have to plaster Amazon images on the screen |
| [20:00:19] | GuySoft: | ... that did not do good |
| [20:00:41] | sphery: | juski: well, we now have mythbrowser, so we could make the click to buy button work, now... ;) |
| [20:00:51] | juski: | lol |
| [20:00:59] | sphery: | s/now have mythbrowser/now have a useful mythbrowser/ |
| [20:00:59] | Spirits-Sight: | sphery: ok, so do I use package manger in ubuntu to install mythtv (not mythbuntu) or should I do the mythbuntu? and how can I make sure I have the latest one that allows the captioning to work and have the TV work, in the past I had trouble getting the tv to work, its verison is reported by windows xp as: WinTV HVR-850 ATSC / NTSC |
| [20:01:15] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: I /highly/ recommend mythbuntu |
| [20:01:39] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: and captioning has worked for >5yrs, so just don't get one older than that. |
| [20:01:44] | GuySoft: | juski, gbee could there be anything in the patch that could make the audio buffer overrun? something must be flooding it |
| [20:01:59] | ** iamlindoro hopes Spirits-Sight doesn't expect to get QAM w/ that HVR-850 ** | |
| [20:02:10] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: I have no idea on whether the HVR-850 is supported... Check linuxtv.org / linuxtv.org/wiki |
| [20:02:11] | iamlindoro: | ie, hopes he's not trying to capture cable |
| [20:02:14] | juski: | GuySoft: those kind of errors are common. try outputting to OSS instead of alsa |
| [20:02:37] | Spirits-Sight: | iamlindoro: I don't expect alot out of it into it works :-) |
| [20:02:42] | juski: | e.g. instead of Alsa:default or whetever configure mythtv to use /dev/dsp |
| [20:03:16] | iamlindoro: | Spirits-Sight: Trying to make you aware that your capture device won't support anything useful besides Antenna |
| [20:03:19] | juski: | GuySoft: and there are 2 audio bufferring settings. there's one you definitely do NOT want to have enabled in most cases |
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| [20:03:34] | juski: | 'aggressive audio buffering' IIRC |
| [20:03:59] | Spirits-Sight: | iamlindoro: thats fine its my gf and I am trying to get it to work so I can convert her off that crap of windows |
| [20:04:01] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so we just need to get everyone to use the HVR-850 in the US, then the cable co's will lose a lot of the money helping them support their DRM-laden monopolies! |
| [20:04:14] | iamlindoro: | sphery: heh |
| [20:04:15] | Spirits-Sight: | it TV works then thats fine :-) |
| [20:04:20] | juski: | god, that damn non-mythui theme code. I know, we'll force the location of all the arrows |
| [20:04:31] | sphery: | juski / GuySoft : right... Aggressive sound card buffering is evil but Extra audio buffering is good. |
| [20:04:51] | iamlindoro: | juski: Having recently had to poke at some non-MythUI code I have a renewed and profound appreciation for mythUI |
| [20:04:58] | juski: | almost done mythmusic default-wide :) |
| [20:05:24] | juski: | iamlindoro: everybody was denying the inevitable with every new (and different) widget |
| [20:05:36] | juski: | can't say I blame em really |
| [20:06:04] | sphery: | funny thing is the naive user assumes, "Well, since it's 'Aggressive sound card buffering,' it probably requires extra system resources but is a good thing, so I'll just enable it. After all, I got the *dual* core Atom processor." |
| [20:06:05] | juski: | ooo, we can make a whole new & different widget, hard-code everything, or we can rewrite the UI code. hrm |
| [20:06:15] | juski: | lol |
| [20:06:20] | sphery: | when in fact Aggressive sound card buffering is always bad |
| [20:06:32] | juski: | is there any case where it does any good? |
| [20:07:37] | iamlindoro: | You know when there's a pause like this you're about to get an article on the topic |
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| [20:08:04] | sphery: | juski: In truth, on a system that's underpowered and just on the line for being able to keep up with real-time playback, it can be used to decrease the processing requirements marginally--by having Myth decode a little less audio at a time. Since we all know that audio decoding is /not/ at all challenging for modern processors (probably not even for Atom), it really doesn't help anyone anymore. (Maybe a Via 800MHz CPU system ... |
| [20:08:04] | juski: | heh |
| [20:08:10] | sphery: | ... playing back SDTV, but otherwise...) |
| [20:08:14] | juski: | ah |
| [20:08:23] | juski: | in other words it's for EPIA boxes :P |
| [20:08:27] | sphery: | exactly... |
| [20:08:36] | juski: | never helped me though :) |
| [20:08:37] | sphery: | and was contributed by a user with an EPIA |
| [20:08:47] | iamlindoro: | Can we codename MythTV .23 "Settings Cull"? |
| [20:08:50] | sphery: | just couldn't remember the name of the boxes (so thanks for filling in that blank :) |
| [20:08:59] | juski: | iamlindoro: help! Seriously.. HELP! I'm smitten with blootube-wide's menu screens again! ARGHHHHHH |
| [20:09:30] | sphery: | I know a /lot/ of bt-wide fans... |
| [20:09:33] | juski: | looking at them now I'm getting all nostalgic, remembering how I pored over every single watermark for *hours* |
| [20:09:38] | iamlindoro: | heheh |
| [20:09:46] | iamlindoro: | I do like blootube |
| [20:09:50] | juski: | spent a whole day making the 'appearance' image |
| [20:09:59] | iamlindoro: | and so do the mythbuntu people, just look, all of their themes are blootube ripoffs ;) |
| [20:10:14] | cityLights: | guy: what card do you use |
| [20:10:24] | sphery: | juski: a guy I know who uses a Myth box with a 4:3 projector actually edited blootube-wide to work on 4:3 (because he liked it much better than the lighter-weight blootube) |
| [20:10:34] | sphery: | s/edited/hacked/ |
| [20:10:41] | sphery: | probably not contributable, but... |
| [20:10:42] | juski: | and at least none of mythtv's themes feature public hairs like a certain XBMC skin I could mention :P |
| [20:10:57] | sphery: | public hairs... |
| [20:11:05] | juski: | well, dust & crud |
| [20:11:07] | sphery: | don't you mean the non-public ones? |
| [20:12:06] | juski: | mediastream has a big power button image.. it's seen better days |
| [20:12:13] | ** iamlindoro has a "sleek" theme in mind for .23 once we have some more shinies ** | |
| [20:12:18] | juski: | certainly never a duster |
| [20:12:29] | juski: | iamlindoro: what have I told you about multiples? |
| [20:12:32] | juski: | ;-) |
| [20:12:48] | Spirits-Sight: | sphery: ok I am on the site but have trouble finding the list of hardward usable |
| [20:13:12] | sphery: | I still want to do the X-redirect-optimized theme... |
| [20:13:20] | iamlindoro: | juski: Heh, well *you've* come back 'round |
| [20:13:22] | cityLights: | why are we discussing 0.23 before 0.22 is out |
| [20:13:23] | cityLights: | ? |
| [20:13:28] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: use the wiki side of it |
| [20:13:29] | juski: | and the kids' theme |
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| [20:13:36] | iamlindoro: | because those of us talking about it are actually involved in writing it |
| [20:13:39] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: the 2nd link I gave |
| [20:13:44] | iamlindoro: | so we get to talk about whatever we like? |
| [20:13:53] | cityLights: | right, |
| [20:14:08] | iamlindoro: | Heck, I might talk about .24 in a second |
| [20:14:12] | cityLights: | but does the development of 0.23 starts even before 0.22 is out? |
| [20:14:13] | Spirits-Sight: | EM2883_BOARD_HAUPPAUGE_WINTV_HVR_950 |
| [20:14:22] | iamlindoro: | cityLights: Planning for it? Yes. |
| [20:14:23] | Spirits-Sight: | that has 850 in the next row |
| [20:14:27] | sphery: | I think for version 0.103 I'm going to work on that patch that I promised iamlindoro |
| [20:14:45] | iamlindoro: | cityLights: There are numerous features I have in mind for .23. would you prefer I *not* think about them? |
| [20:14:55] | ** iamlindoro doesn't trust sphery any more ** | |
| [20:15:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro: less thinking, more doing |
| [20:15:19] | iamlindoro: | sphery: et tu, brute? |
| [20:15:23] | sphery: | and what are you doing wasting time working when you could be coding for myth? |
| [20:15:41] | sphery: | hey, that's not fair... I don't think, either. |
| [20:16:11] | Spirits-Sight: | IS there any tv card that mythtv support or will support that has a cable card? |
| [20:16:12] | cityLights: | iamlindoro: is that latin? |
| [20:16:25] | juski: | arghh why, everytiime I go to check anything out of sourceforge does it always SUCK? |
| [20:16:27] | iamlindoro: | I think for .24 I'll implement that GDIAFOIP feature kormoc has been begging for |
| [20:16:30] | juski: | Spirits-Sight: no way, not ever |
| [20:16:35] | iamlindoro: | cityLights: yes. Famous latin. |
| [20:16:54] | juski: | Spirits-Sight: with open source software, the data path cannot be trusted |
| [20:16:55] | Spirits-Sight: | I will be moving and the company in the area is RCN and you need to use they cable box |
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| [20:17:18] | Spirits-Sight: | after the DTV transation |
| [20:17:19] | juski: | they want everything locked down from the point of entry to the point of viewing |
| [20:18:06] | juski: | iamlindoro: had a dig in xbmc source today. looks like their blur is still but a dream too ;-) |
| [20:18:14] | iamlindoro: | juski: heheh |
| [20:18:34] | ** kormoc claps for iamlindoro ** | |
| [20:18:36] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: then you'll need an analog capture card |
| [20:18:49] | Spirits-Sight: | I through FCC had a rule that allowed customer to use they own equirement, not be focused to use their box |
| [20:18:51] | iamlindoro: | juski: lay out how the effects should be done and I'll dive in with you for .23 :) |
| [20:18:54] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: such as the PVR-x50/500 or the HVR-1600 or the HD-PVR |
| [20:19:15] | Gav8in: | Spirits, the FCC mandate is for a firewire port on your cable box. |
| [20:19:21] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: only for the local channels |
| [20:19:28] | juski: | sphery: so you'll be able to buy an 'approved' box which supports cablecard |
| [20:19:34] | juski: | oops |
| [20:19:36] | sphery: | Spirits-Sight: i.e. the ones you can get with an antenna |
| [20:19:44] | juski: | Spirits-Sight: so you'll be able to buy an 'approved' box which supports cablecard |
| [20:20:02] | juski: | that would still fit in the definition 'own equipment' |
| [20:20:03] | sphery: | right, and it doesn't have to be the one provided by your cable co |
| [20:20:22] | juski: | and if it's a PC, well – the cards are locked to the motherboard.. customised BIOS, yada yada |
| [20:20:28] | juski: | and Windows. Tada! |
| [20:20:50] | Spirits-Sight: | yuck |
| [20:20:55] | Spirits-Sight: | be back |
| [20:20:59] | juski: | and guess what – cracking *that* combo will easily put you in violation of the DMCA. Go directly to jail |
| [20:21:03] | juski: | a-thank-yow |
| [20:21:22] | Dagmar: | 1. You're in the UK, WTF do you care |
| [20:21:26] | Dagmar: | 2. Not necessarily |
| [20:21:29] | juski: | so, nobody in their right minds wants cablecard to succeed :) |
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| [20:21:50] | juski: | Dagmar: oh I care because the european broadcasters are talking about doing a very similar thing |
| [20:21:59] | Dagmar: | No, no one who makes money from monopolies wants cablecard to success |
| [20:22:02] | Dagmar: | er succeed |
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| [20:22:15] | juski: | *and* with terrestrial television too, not just premium junk |
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| [20:22:52] | juski: | if they'd just let consumers do %whatever% & go down hard on the people uploading |
| [20:22:56] | Dagmar: | Now, as to untying the reliance between a specific card and a specific motherboard, there is an exepmtion in the DMCA explicitly for the purposes of compatibility, and if that's not covered by it then the rule is useless |
| [20:23:00] | juski: | that'd work for me |
| [20:23:27] | Dagmar: | ...but there's still no way in hell we'll ever see cablecard succeed as long as the monopolists control everything |
| [20:24:18] | josh_: | Just wait until the US becomes communist |
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| [20:24:32] | Dagmar: | They don't want open markets. They want 5C restrictions and a lock-in so that anyone who enters that market can't do so without paying them first |
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| [20:24:49] | Dagmar: | josh_: You can stuff that trollery |
| [20:25:20] | josh_: | sorry. |
| [20:25:49] | Dagmar: | Nothing against you for even sayin' it, it's just your bad luck to have jumped on the idiot republican bandwagon there |
| [20:26:04] | GuySoft: | arts= segfault |
| [20:26:08] | Dagmar: | Someone needs to start shooting those people |
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| [20:26:34] | Dagmar: | GuySoft: I would have thought by now that you'd realise ARTSd is generally unwelcome in the presence of MythTV? |
| [20:27:12] | cityLights: | guy: sorry I didnt see your msg in time |
| [20:27:18] | cityLights: | was hanging landry... |
| [20:27:31] | Dagmar: | It's all well and good to speak your mind loudly in the democratic process, but it's a whole nother matter to go about riling up the idiot contingent with false rumors and bullshit in order to resource starve your enemies so that no one can get _anything_ done |
| [20:28:16] | josh_: | I personally don't blame the government. I blame the media. |
| [20:28:25] | Dagmar: | I blame the republicans |
| [20:28:36] | josh_: | Haha. |
| [20:28:48] | Dagmar: | Seems like they've done nothing but become more interested in the most shameful of tactics since Bush's reelection |
| [20:28:56] | cityLights: | back to home work then |
| [20:29:29] | Dagmar: | Like, to the point that it would appear they're effectively saying "If we can't be in control, then no one's getting to do anything" |
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| [20:30:11] | kormoc: | Anyone recall the X module/settings to use to blacklist sections of the screen? |
| [20:30:19] | kormoc: | (meaning refusing to allow mouse/windows into) |
| [20:30:22] | Gav8in: | Content providers have threatened that a lot; but they eventually back down when they don't get their way. Like the broadcast flga. |
| [20:30:31] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Whoa. I didn't even know there was such a thing |
| [20:30:40] | Gav8in: | we still see movies on TV, we still see HDTV shows |
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| [20:31:26] | kormoc: | Dagmar, there was, back in the day, when using multihead of mismatched sizes, before the mouse was limited, you used to have to blackhole the void |
| [20:31:38] | Dagmar: | I guess I got lucky. |
| [20:31:51] | Dagmar: | Actually, no, I always set things up as two separate displays to avoid that. |
| [20:32:00] | Dagmar: | <-- constructively lazy |
| [20:32:30] | Gav8in: | but then you can't move windows between them, yes? |
| [20:34:21] | kormoc: | you can |
| [20:34:34] | kormoc: | ooh, windows, no you can't |
| [20:34:37] | kormoc: | thought you said mouse there |
| [20:34:44] | kormoc: | although, for me that's a plus |
| [20:34:55] | sphery: | kormoc: I thought that any Xinerama-aware WM would automatically avoid dead space |
| [20:34:58] | Gav8in: | i run with two displays, :0.0 :0.1, and it's fine. |
| [20:35:04] | Gav8in: | but no movie-movie. |
| [20:35:30] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah, it's something that's unused today typically, I just have a buddy with a dead section in his lcd and we could use the same thing to map around it |
| [20:35:39] | sphery: | ahhh |
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| [20:40:43] | cityLights: | sphery: if I didnt answer guy in time – was it rude on my part? |
| [20:42:51] | sphery: | no, people tend to realize that you may not always be available |
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| [20:43:11] | sphery: | but it's best to ask someone for help when you are going to be around for a while (so they can do it on their schedule :) |
| [20:43:39] | laga: | iamlindoro: am i going crazy or does graphite sometimes change the background color? |
| [20:43:53] | iamlindoro: | laga: it's randomized |
| [20:43:57] | laga: | good |
| [20:44:08] | iamlindoro: | though you might still be going crazy ;) |
| [20:44:11] | laga: | yes |
| [20:44:13] | laga: | heh |
| [20:44:26] | laga: | now i need to find out why mythvideo is spewing SQL errors instead of scanning for my shows |
| [20:44:28] | kormoc: | it's too bad it's not constantly shifting while sitting on the menu |
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| [20:45:06] | GuySoft: | ... still audio problems.. |
| [20:45:18] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: IF we ever get fancy crossfades maybe it someday will |
| [20:45:28] | cityLights: | guy: can't we get dvb then? |
| [20:45:44] | GuySoft: | cityLights, we can on vlc.. but i wanted to get the pvr running.. |
| [20:45:53] | GuySoft: | and now the pvr works too. the problem is live video |
| [20:46:03] | sphery: | iamlindoro: alphapulse! |
| [20:46:21] | iamlindoro: | alphapulsing backgrounds would be creepy |
| [20:46:26] | cityLights: | GuySoft: on cables? |
| [20:46:36] | cityLights: | which card? |
| [20:46:41] | GuySoft: | cityLights, .. dvb-T is on the air.. |
| [20:47:08] | cityLights: | do you get dvb-t in jer ? |
| [20:47:20] | cityLights: | what card? |
| [20:47:35] | sphery: | iamlindoro: And juski was just saying how KOZP is much better than Myth because KOZP uses 50% CPU sitting on the menus... Alphapulse might help Myth catch up. |
| [20:48:16] | ** kormoc removes every sleep call ** | |
| [20:48:18] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [20:48:23] | kormoc: | There, that will speed things up |
| [20:48:44] | sphery: | MythCaffeine--now you'll get /no/ sleep |
| [20:49:05] | kormoc: | and people thought the 8x timestretch was fast... |
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| [20:49:52] | sphery: | 8x timestretch--don't you mean timewarp? Cap'n, I'm givin' ya all she's got! |
| [20:52:39] | laga: | wee, X crashy |
| [20:52:59] | laga: | let's do the timewarp again.. |
| [21:00:44] | sphery: | strange... someone asked how to stop commflagging in here, then soemone else asked the same on the -users list |
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| [21:03:59] | diesel: | I have been running Mythtv for about 2 months now and absolutely love it. I have a Hauppauge HVR 1600 which has both a digital and an analog input. I would like to keep my HD antenna connected directly to the digital input and have my VCR connected to the analog input. Is this a good idea OR should I connect the antenna to the VCR in and the VCR out to the digital input? |
| [21:04:01] | laga: | if i didn't have a towel wrapped around my head, i'd go outside and yell at whoever thinks the stair case is a good place to be noisy at 11pm |
| [21:04:36] | iamlindoro: | diesel: You cannot pass the digital signal through your VCR |
| [21:04:55] | iamlindoro: | diesel: You should use coax into your card for digital and S-video for the VCR |
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| [21:05:09] | iamlindoro: | diesel: only use the coaxial from the VCR if no other outputs exist, as it's the worst one |
| [21:06:13] | diesel: | iamlindoro: regarding S-Video...if I do that, will I get sound into the mythtv box. I would like to record my old VHS tapes. |
| [21:06:26] | iamlindoro: | Sivodeo for video, RCA for audio |
| [21:06:30] | iamlindoro: | er S-video |
| [21:06:35] | diesel: | awe...okay |
| [21:06:42] | diesel: | iamlindoro: thanks |
| [21:06:45] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [21:08:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Thank you for the fix |
| [21:08:03] | laga: | iamlindoro: i like the new graphite. (where 'new' is 'newer than whatever snapshot i was running) |
| [21:08:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro: you're welcome... figured it would save you some time since I've already tested it. |
| [21:10:17] | laga: | iamlindoro: interesting. if there is no coverart for an item in mythvideo, it won't show anything here. |
| [21:10:46] | sphery: | diesel: Myth is probably the worst application to use for digitizing old tapes. See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/378410#378410 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/284890#284890 |
| [21:11:04] | diesel: | sphery: looking... |
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| [21:11:20] | sphery: | diesel: all the advice you were given applies (use S-Video with audio over RCA), but just use something else to actually capture--not Myth :) |
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| [21:11:43] | sphery: | Myth works, but is more work than even the command line :) |
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| [21:12:02] | diesel: | sphery: I have ready where people cat /dev/video{n} to a file. Do you suggest that? |
| [21:12:12] | sphery: | diesel: oops... that first one was supposed to be: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/232857#232857 |
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| [21:12:27] | sphery: | (i.e. just read the 2 posts linked at the bottom of the 1st one I posted) |
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| [21:13:03] | sphery: | diesel: yeah, cat (or dd) works great... in that post, I mention ivtvctl, but I think it's now v4lctl or something |
| [21:13:15] | sphery: | but basically, tune, set format, set height/width, then dd or cat |
| [21:13:47] | diesel: | sphery: thank you for the info |
| [21:14:03] | sphery: | and feel free to put the videos into myth after capturing |
| [21:14:07] | sphery: | easiest place is MythVideo |
| [21:14:21] | sphery: | but they can be shoehorned into the TV section with myth.rebuilddatabase.pl |
| [21:14:27] | sphery: | and enjoy :) |
| [21:15:03] | diesel: | excellent! |
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| [21:18:10] | iamlindoro: | Stupid home network connection |
| [21:18:35] | cityLights: | ok |
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| [21:18:49] | cityLights: | see ya all tomorow |
| [21:18:57] | iamlindoro: | laga: The coverart thing is theme based, not a mythvideo bug |
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| [21:19:07] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, comcast not all that it should be |
| [21:19:10] | Shadow__X: | ? |
| [21:19:12] | iamlindoro: | laga: I happen to think that the "question mark" image is ugly as sin |
| [21:19:25] | iamlindoro: | laga: And haven't decided on anything I care to stand in for it |
| [21:19:39] | laga: | iamlindoro: ah, nice |
| [21:19:49] | Dagmar: | You need an image of an old Betamax tape with a hand-written label that says "HOME VIDEO" written in sharpie |
| [21:20:22] | laga: | iamlindoro: i've got lots of files like $name_date_channel.avi – would it make sense to filter out a date if we find it in the file name? |
| [21:20:41] | iamlindoro: | laga: I'll come up with some generic icon in time for .22 |
| [21:20:58] | wagnerrp: | Dagmar: have to have 'not for kids' written in very small print |
| [21:22:02] | Dagmar: | :) |
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| [21:28:44] | Dagmar: | I can probably piece together something suitable tonight |
| [21:29:34] | JEDIDIAH__: | ial... when you are using AnyDVD inside of a VM, how long does it usually take to rip a BD disk? |
| [21:29:55] | wagnerrp: | under windows, its 40min-1hr |
| [21:30:02] | wagnerrp: | so figure somewhere around there |
| [21:30:12] | wagnerrp: | its not like theres much CPU load, its just whatever IO the VM can handle |
| [21:30:50] | sphery: | the decryption doesn't take much CPU? |
| [21:31:10] | wagnerrp: | lets find out.... |
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| [21:32:42] | wagnerrp: | currently running ~9MB/s and 0& CPU |
| [21:32:46] | wagnerrp: | 0% |
| [21:32:56] | josh_: | wagnerrp, sorry about that, quittin time and headed home |
| [21:33:02] | Dagmar: | Decryption methods that require a lot of computation tend to fail |
| [21:33:14] | wagnerrp: | josh_: no problem, was out doing other things anyway |
| [21:33:25] | wagnerrp: | should be a fixed version up, same place |
| [21:33:31] | josh_: | wagnerrp, there is a serious problem though, oh woot you saw it |
| [21:33:36] | josh_: | just a second |
| [21:33:49] | wagnerrp: | its actually a serious problem with python |
| [21:33:59] | wagnerrp: | 'input()' tries to evaluate the input you give it |
| [21:34:12] | sphery: | wagnerrp: guess that's the sign of good encryption--er, wait, good encryption wouldn't be crackable... |
| [21:34:15] | wagnerrp: | meaning it was trying to process your input as a variable |
| [21:34:36] | wagnerrp: | apparently i was supposed to use 'raw_input()' |
| [21:34:59] | josh_: | wagnerrp, can you link the location of the file? I lost it in the buffer |
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| [21:41:57] | GuySoft: | ... still no luck with the WriteAudio: buffer underrun ... |
| [21:42:25] | Dagmar: | Is there an actual symptom associated with it? |
| [21:43:14] | ** sphery wonders why compiling Myth that was untar'ed into a differently-named directory doesn't use the ccache ** | |
| [21:43:25] | sphery: | seems strange to have path information in the ccache |
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| [21:44:31] | wagnerrp: | up to 14MB/s as the laser moves towards the outer edge, still no noticeable CPU load |
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| [21:45:11] | meshe: | sphery: where there any makefiles in that tar? was it a fully clean tar? no ./configure? |
| [21:45:33] | sphery: | fully clean |
| [21:45:45] | clever: | sphery: the full path to the source may have been place in the makefiles by qmake, causing different g++ arguments, and no cache hit? |
| [21:45:46] | meshe: | weird |
| [21:46:28] | sphery: | it's a pristine checkout/svn up (I checked it out when we first started using SVN and each time I svn up, I rm -r, tar xf, svn up, tar cf) |
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| [21:46:54] | sphery: | yeah, I know that svn has stuff like svn revert and svn status--but my approach /always/ works :) |
| [21:47:00] | GuySoft: | juski, gbee the buffer overrun only happends with AAC audio. it looks to me like the patch just does not solve all the problems |
| [21:47:22] | clever: | sphery: yeah, revert wont touch things like the makefiles, since they are on ignore, which led to past problems |
| [21:47:25] | sphery: | GuySoft: from what I understand, that patch is a bit of a hack |
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| [21:47:38] | xand: | how can I force mythtv to stop recording... using mythweb? |
| [21:47:51] | sphery: | clever: yeah, and the WC can get corrupted, too (especially on windows--thus svn clean :) |
| [21:47:53] | GuySoft: | sphery, .. well , i can try and find out why it does not do the job |
| [21:48:01] | xand: | i change a program to "don't record" but according to the backend status page it's still recording |
| [21:48:28] | sphery: | GuySoft: the right approach is to get ffmpeg to properly support AAC/LATM... I think the guy who wrote that patch has been working on it, but it's taking time. |
| [21:48:31] | clever: | sphery: WC? |
| [21:48:36] | sphery: | working copy |
| [21:48:39] | clever: | ah |
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| [21:49:42] | GuySoft: | sphery, it seems to have also made the files that were recorded be stuck visualy.. |
| [21:50:04] | sphery: | stuck visually? |
| [21:50:14] | sphery: | like they stop playing and leave garbage on screen? |
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| [21:56:19] | madLyfe: | i installed mythbuntu, is there a way to run mythbuntu with out having it connected to a tv or not even having a tuner card? obv wont function but i just want to see it "working" |
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| [21:57:30] | sphery: | madLyfe: you can run mythfrontend without a capture card |
| [21:57:44] | sphery: | but without mythbackend, MythTV is not very impressive |
| [21:57:51] | sphery: | (mythbackend does the capture stuff) |
| [21:58:14] | sphery: | you can try to run without setting up capture, but it not only won't do TV, some parts won't work |
| [21:59:33] | madLyfe: | ya |
| [21:59:43] | madLyfe: | im new to linux and mythtv |
| [22:00:13] | madLyfe: | its all installed, but what do i choose to run the front end? i have the control centre log grabber and backend setup... |
| [22:00:17] | Dagmar: | You want MythBuntu then |
| [22:00:25] | madLyfe: | ya thats what i installed |
| [22:00:33] | Dagmar: | So it should be running hten |
| [22:00:47] | GuySoft: | sphery, could this patch do the trick?: http://pkendall.homeip.net/wp/wp-content/plug . . . oad.php?id=1 |
| [22:00:56] | GuySoft: | sphery, it seems to be diffrent |
| [22:01:12] | sphery: | IIRC he's the guy working on it. I know /nothing/ more than that. |
| [22:01:21] | meshe: | madLyfe: Applications -> Sound and Video -> Myth Frontend |
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| [22:01:22] | madLyfe: | i have the computer set to run front and backend.. but how to a "launch" the frontend gui? |
| [22:01:25] | madLyfe: | ah |
| [22:01:27] | sphery: | (I don't know that code nor anything about LATM--except what it stands for :) |
| [22:02:02] | meshe: | or: ALT+F2 mythfrontend |
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| [22:03:20] | madLyfe: | so when my computer starts, backend runs? |
| [22:03:26] | GuySoft: | sphery, do you know at least what the command is to revert all files in an svn? |
| [22:03:32] | GuySoft: | so i can revert and patch? |
| [22:03:54] | meshe: | madLyfe: yup |
| [22:04:05] | GuySoft: | svn revert --recursive . .. nevermind |
| [22:05:15] | madLyfe: | hrmm when i tried to run backend setup it gave a bunch of errors.. |
| [22:05:38] | Dagmar: | Man, that really sucks. |
| [22:05:41] | meshe: | rm -rf mysvndir && svn co http://my.svn.site/path |
| [22:05:43] | meshe: | :) |
| [22:05:46] | madLyfe: | then i ran frontend and it just gave me this empty square box and now i cant close it nor restart or shutdown.. |
| [22:06:02] | Dagmar: | You expected it to work? |
| [22:06:22] | madLyfe: | lol at this point im just clicking buttons.. |
| [22:06:27] | Dagmar: | Obviously. |
| [22:06:32] | madLyfe: | not used to any of this.. |
| [22:07:12] | Dagmar: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs |
| [22:07:34] | Dagmar: | Attempting to set it up WITHOUT going through the instructions step by step will generally fail and fail miserably |
| [22:07:34] | meshe: | Dagmar: i was just going to do that :) |
| [22:10:37] | sphery: | madLyfe: most of those errors probably aren't errors |
| [22:11:10] | sphery: | madLyfe: On the first run, you'll get a lot of scary stuff that looks like errors. If you continue to get them on future invocations, /then/ it's a problem. |
| [22:11:51] | sphery: | madLyfe: as for the empty square box--are you using an ATI video card? |
| [22:12:24] | madLyfe: | ya |
| [22:12:33] | madLyfe: | its on my laptop actually |
| [22:12:56] | meshe: | gl painter issue/ |
| [22:12:57] | meshe: | ? |
| [22:13:12] | sphery: | if it's ATI, you likely need either: export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 |
| [22:13:22] | sphery: | or: export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 |
| [22:13:26] | sphery: | before starting mythfrontend |
| [22:13:28] | sphery: | or both |
| [22:13:40] | sphery: | note that you have to do that in the same environment that starts mythfrontend |
| [22:13:41] | madLyfe: | hmmmm |
| [22:13:53] | sphery: | so, likely you'll need to edit /usr/bin/mythfrontend |
| [22:13:59] | sphery: | (the wrapper script MythBuntu gives) |
| [22:14:19] | laga: | no, /etc/mythtv/session-settings |
| [22:14:22] | laga: | should be enough |
| [22:14:25] | sphery: | ahh... nice |
| [22:14:31] | sphery: | thanks--I don't know buntu |
| [22:14:49] | laga: | if someone asks: i don't, either |
| [22:14:55] | sphery: | madLyfe: so, do as laga suggests--he's an ubuntu expert |
| [22:14:59] | sphery: | er, maybe not... ;) |
| [22:15:10] | sphery: | (still do it his way) |
| [22:15:26] | ** meshe changes the topic of #mythtv-users to pm laga for ubuntu help ** | |
| [22:16:00] | madLyfe: | lol |
| [22:16:03] | sphery: | he may have to start charging for answers like j-rod is going to |
| [22:16:17] | madLyfe: | k im there |
| [22:16:34] | madLyfe: | do i just enter those at the bottom of the settings? |
| [22:16:50] | madLyfe: | #export LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 |
| [22:17:01] | madLyfe: | #XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 |
| [22:17:08] | sphery: | I'll let someone who knows what they're talking about answer |
| [22:17:10] | meshe: | without the # |
| [22:17:14] | sphery: | but I will say that it looks commented |
| [22:17:19] | sphery: | so, yeah, no # |
| [22:17:25] | sphery: | and thanks meshe |
| [22:17:31] | madLyfe: | ah ok |
| [22:17:34] | Dagmar: | #SELF_DESTRUCT_AT_MIDNIGHT=1 |
| [22:17:38] | Dagmar: | ^-- totally safe |
| [22:17:47] | kormoc: | (Until 12:01 AM) |
| [22:17:59] | sphery: | btw, meshe , wagnerrp is winning the bindings war... Python bindings are /way/ ahead of Perl, now. |
| [22:18:18] | kormoc: | wagnerrp++ |
| [22:18:28] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Even after... Hence the # |
| [22:18:34] | kormoc: | heh |
| [22:18:37] | meshe: | yeah, if i didn't get thrown onto a project at work that's been taking all my free time day and night i'd be working on the bindings |
| [22:18:43] | sphery: | yeah, now we know what the p in wagnerrp stands for--Python |
| [22:18:56] | kormoc: | So it *is* his middle name |
| [22:18:59] | iamlindoro: | and "r" for "rites" |
| [22:19:09] | iamlindoro: | wagner rites python! ;) |
| [22:19:20] | sphery: | iamlindoro needs to work on his 3 r's |
| [22:19:31] | sphery: | cause write doesn't start with r. |
| [22:19:35] | meshe: | starting saturday i'll be gone on vacation for 2 weeks, so i won't being doing any dev until at least Sept 7th |
| [22:19:41] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Thanks for the news flash |
| [22:19:47] | sphery: | but, wait... 3 r's is reading, 'riting, and 'rithmetic, so... |
| [22:19:48] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [22:21:04] | madLyfe: | hmm it wont let me save the file because of permissions.. |
| [22:21:14] | sphery: | meshe: Yeah, I was just joking. I really don't /expect/ you to work on them (and wouldn't expect you to unless I were writing you a paycheck). |
| [22:21:37] | kormoc: | meshe, which is why he expects me to work on mythweb-python ;) |
| [22:21:44] | sphery: | madLyfe: you'll need to edit it with sudoedit |
| [22:21:44] | meshe: | sphery: I know, but I've already said i would be working on them |
| [22:21:51] | sphery: | kormoc: no, I've changed... Vala, now. |
| [22:22:17] | sphery: | kormoc: that was the "Or whatever I decide in the future" clause of the employment contract. |
| [22:22:42] | madLyfe: | sudoedit? |
| [22:23:34] | sphery: | madLyfe: sudoedit /etc/mythtv/session-settings |
| [22:24:06] | sphery: | or whatever *buntu-approved method for editing files with root permission others may suggest |
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| [22:26:13] | Dagmar: | A fragment of neodynium and a pair of tweezers |
| [22:27:48] | sphery: | GuySoft: don't think so, but most people will think you're talking about Paul H, not Paul K. |
| [22:28:05] | sphery: | GuySoft: your best bet is to contact him through the mailing lists |
| [22:28:08] | GuySoft: | sphery, ah |
| [22:28:28] | GuySoft: | sphery, there are list of patches there. do you know what each ones does? |
| [22:28:28] | sphery: | there's a Myth dev named Paul H. Paul K. is a user who's contributing code. |
| [22:28:37] | sphery: | nope |
| [22:28:47] | sphery: | I don't have LATM here, so I've never worried about it. |
| [22:29:24] | madLyfe: | lol amazing i cant exit sudoedit... |
| [22:29:32] | madLyfe: | like how do you save and exit? |
| [22:29:43] | madLyfe: | it says ^X |
| [22:29:48] | wagnerrp: | sudoedit? not 'sudo edit'? |
| [22:29:57] | wagnerrp: | that would be 'ctrl+x' |
| [22:30:35] | wagnerrp: | and that would be because youre using nano, which is apparently symlinked or aliased to edit |
| [22:30:39] | ** wagnerrp never really liked nano ** | |
| [22:30:54] | madLyfe: | hmm.. ya i dunno.. using ubuntu.. |
| [22:31:24] | sphery: | sudoedit is a real program (and a safer way of editing than sudo $EDITOR) |
| [22:31:33] | madLyfe: | when i try to close the frontend window that was just an empty box it wont close.. |
| [22:31:35] | sphery: | but if you're using vi, you need to use :wq |
| [22:31:38] | wagnerrp: | oh? never heard of it |
| [22:31:50] | sphery: | if you're using EMACS (which it sounds like through the ^X stuff, then do the EMACS thing :) |
| [22:31:55] | GuySoft: | sphery, how does one register on your trac? there is no link.. |
| [22:32:05] | wagnerrp: | GuySoft: you dont |
| [22:32:16] | GuySoft: | wagnerrp, its closed? |
| [22:32:17] | wagnerrp: | (i believe) only people with commit access get accounts |
| [22:32:33] | gbee: | and a handful of triage assistants |
| [22:32:37] | wagnerrp: | however you can post patches and comments anonymously, or with an email address |
| [22:32:43] | sphery: | wagnerrp: yeah, sudoedit actually runs $EDITOR with your permissions on a temp file (possibly made by reading the original file with sudo/root permissions), then uses sudo/root permissions to copy the temp file over the original |
| [22:32:52] | sphery: | so you never run a large editor as root |
| [22:33:07] | wagnerrp: | the latter is preferable |
| [22:33:08] | sphery: | large editor = large possibility of bugs :) |
| [22:33:10] | GuySoft: | wagnerrp, i wanted to comment on 5487 and add that in Israeli we get it too.. |
| [22:33:14] | GuySoft: | israel* |
| [22:33:30] | wagnerrp: | so do so |
| [22:33:42] | sphery: | GuySoft: you do want to use: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/prefs to set your username and password |
| [22:33:43] | madLyfe: | how do you kill frontend? |
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| [22:33:59] | Dagmar: | ctl-alt-bksps |
| [22:34:07] | sphery: | GuySoft: and to get info on what's committed, sign up for the commits mailing list: http://mythtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/mythtv-commits |
| [22:34:17] | sphery: | or the RSS feed if you're that kind of person |
| [22:34:30] | GuySoft: | sphery, i am that kind of persion :) |
| [22:34:45] | wagnerrp: | just scroll the bottom, put in your email, type up your message, and hit 'submit changes' |
| [22:34:48] | madLyfe: | ctl-alt-bksps isnt working? |
| [22:34:50] | sphery: | I'm not, so I don't know where the trac/commits RSS info is |
| [22:35:16] | sphery: | wagnerrp: though I think there's still a bug in trac that if you don't do http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/prefs first, it will eat your username/e-mail |
| [22:35:36] | GuySoft: | sphery, where is there a feed? |
| [22:35:36] | wagnerrp: | the link to the rss feed can be found at the bottom of the timeline page |
| [22:35:55] | sphery: | wagnerrp: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3726 |
| [22:36:15] | sphery: | GuySoft: seems it's http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/timeline?changeset . . . p;format=rss |
| [22:36:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: well the prefs are still separate from a full login |
| [22:36:43] | sphery: | right |
| [22:36:47] | sphery: | definitely true |
| [22:37:33] | madLyfe: | sphery: you know how to kill the frontend? just "closing" it doesnt work.. |
| [22:37:52] | meshe: | killall mythfrontend.real |
| [22:37:59] | wagnerrp: | madLyfe: closing the frontend will stop it just fine |
| [22:38:01] | sphery: | madLyfe: Esc (by default, but if you changed settings, could be Alt+Esc or Ctrl+Esc or Meta+Esc) |
| [22:38:01] | GuySoft: | sphery, found paul's configure command, maybe that will help |
| [22:38:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: guessing he was "closing" with the X on the window's upper-right corner |
| [22:38:38] | wagnerrp: | even hitting the 'x' should bring up a 'do you really want to exit' dialog |
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| [22:38:43] | wagnerrp: | or just close it if you have that disabled |
| [22:38:54] | sphery: | ah, then maybe it's just restarting for him |
| [22:39:17] | madLyfe: | it never really loaded cuz of the ati stuff.. |
| [22:39:32] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [22:39:57] | sphery: | then: sudo killall mythfrontend |
| [22:40:04] | sphery: | or sudo killall mythfrontend.real |
| [22:40:08] | ** meshe smiles ** | |
| [22:40:14] | sphery: | (don't know for sure if that's the right name in the 2nd one) |
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| [22:40:25] | ** sphery thinks meshe has a smarter way ** | |
| [22:40:34] | kormoc: | sphery, or she's enjoying all the killings |
| [22:40:41] | madLyfe: | killall worked |
| [22:40:46] | meshe: | i already stated it, you just repeated it ;) |
| [22:40:53] | sphery: | kormoc: you've corrupted her |
| [22:41:00] | wagnerrp: | meshe: but you didnt sudo |
| [22:41:03] | madLyfe: | sphery: those edits worked.. frontend loaded this time.. |
| [22:41:07] | kormoc: | hehe |
| [22:41:10] | sphery: | meshe: heh, I see, now |
| [22:41:19] | sphery: | I just wanted to be more like you |
| [22:41:21] | meshe: | wagnerrp: it was run as a user, it should be find without sudo |
| [22:41:25] | meshe: | lol |
| [22:41:45] | meshe: | s!find!fine! |
| [22:41:46] | sphery: | but if he's logged in as bob and mythfrontend is run as mythtv, ... |
| [22:41:49] | wagnerrp: | nevertheless, it must be posted.... http://xkcd.com/149/ |
| [22:42:07] | sphery: | (bob is just a guess/symbol meaning something that's not mythtv) |
| [22:42:13] | sphery: | I hope that's the one I'm thinking of |
| [22:42:23] | sphery: | I could sure go for a sandwich right now |
| [22:42:31] | meshe: | it is |
| [22:42:44] | gbee: | heh, I like that one, sudo is indeed absurd |
| [22:42:52] | meshe: | i could sure go home right now, but 1 hour left |
| [22:43:13] | meshe: | back to YUI |
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| [22:44:44] | wagnerrp: | anyone here have multiple HDHRs? |
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| [22:52:30] | kormoc: | meshe, ouch, I never cared for YUI |
| [22:52:47] | meshe: | easier than writing it all myself |
| [22:53:04] | kormoc: | until you go to skin it beyond just colors I've found |
| [22:53:16] | sphery: | wasn't it just a couple of years ago that devs were trying to get the number of open tickets under 200? |
| [22:53:28] | sphery: | we're at just over 500 now... :( |
| [22:53:33] | kormoc: | yeah... |
| [22:53:35] | meshe: | haha, i do the "make it work" part, we have web designers that do the "make it look good" part |
| [22:53:48] | kormoc: | meshe, heh, fair 'nuff |
| [22:53:51] | sphery: | I'm with you on that approach. |
| [22:54:14] | wagnerrp: | sphery: how many of those are legitimate bugs, and how many are in-progress 3rd party patches |
| [22:54:20] | meshe: | i typically develop very ugly things on purpose |
| [22:55:01] | meshe: | clean code, clean, function but not very pretty interfaces :) |
| [22:55:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: there are a lot of them I considered closing... I know iamlindoro is going to close one as invalid because it seems the user is saying that Myth can't steal satellite. |
| [22:55:05] | madLyfe: | hrmm when using location search under weather i type in location and hit search and nothing happens.. |
| [22:55:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro: hint, hint, reminder, reminder |
| [22:55:36] | kormoc: | mlock that one |
| [22:55:39] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Already done |
| [22:55:43] | sphery: | madLyfe: it's not the location you think--not a zip code--actually different for different screens |
| [22:55:44] | iamlindoro: | couple minutes ago |
| [22:56:00] | sphery: | how did I not get that message... |
| [22:56:05] | kormoc: | sphery, perhaps he actually typed in 'location'? |
| [22:56:08] | sphery: | ah, there it is |
| [22:56:11] | madLyfe: | sphery: huh? |
| [22:56:22] | madLyfe: | i just typed urbandale, IA |
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| [22:56:37] | sphery: | madLyfe: for me, rather than type in my zip or my city name, I would type in Florida for some screens and southeast for others |
| [22:56:38] | madLyfe: | "Urbandale, IA" actually |
| [22:57:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Think I put the close message very politically, too :) |
| [22:57:07] | sphery: | madLyfe: easiest way to find out what to type in is to search with nothing in the box (i.e. get /everything/ and see what kind of names they're using) then do a better search |
| [22:57:18] | madLyfe: | i am using current conditions screen.. |
| [22:57:28] | GuySoft: | sphery, hmm, when compiling with pauls configure option, i get a compile error.. and its in the libx264, thats the codec we use here for dvb |
| [22:57:32] | kormoc: | "This will be fixed in v0.24 with the GDIAFOIP patchset" |
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| [22:57:34] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah... Sounds good |
| [22:57:45] | sphery: | I can't figure out the OIP |
| [22:57:51] | kormoc: | sphery, Over IP |
| [22:57:57] | GuySoft: | sphery, here is the error: http://pastebin.com/me3a9380 |
| [22:58:00] | sphery: | OIC |
| [22:58:23] | meshe: | OMGWTFIGDIAFOIP |
| [22:58:35] | kormoc: | GDIAFoIP, the only ip protocol designed to enhance your firewall.... |
| [22:58:39] | sphery: | GuySoft: might be an out-of-date patch or one that requires MythTV trunk or something |
| [22:58:46] | meshe: | heh |
| [22:58:47] | sphery: | GuySoft: ask on the mythtv-users list |
| [22:58:53] | sphery: | (not mythtv-dev list) |
| [22:59:23] | GuySoft: | sphery, is the myth trunk any different than the fixes one? |
| [22:59:29] | sphery: | yeah |
| [22:59:33] | meshe: | very different |
| [22:59:37] | madLyfe: | i added 2 screens and when i press finish it says can not proceed, the following data items do not have sources defined: |
| [22:59:46] | sphery: | -fixes works and trunk is unstable/in development/not guaranteed to work |
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| [23:00:23] | sphery: | madLyfe: sounds like you need to define sources for a couple of items |
| [23:00:32] | GuySoft: | sphery, if it playes tv, then it will be better.. |
| [23:00:49] | GuySoft: | ill compile it for now, see if it works.. |
| [23:01:06] | sphery: | (I set up MythWeather shortly after the new one went in. Funny enough, it no longer works for me. Fortunately, though, I never use it--turning on my TV to check the weather is a waste when I have tons of computers scattered all around the house.) |
| [23:01:30] | sphery: | It no longer works for me because it's not properly configured, of course. |
| [23:01:38] | sphery: | Just hasn't been work my time to configure it correctly. |
| [23:01:52] | sphery: | GuySoft: you can't go back from trunk to 0.21-fixes |
| [23:01:59] | meshe: | i use the iphone for weather, 3 apps give me 3 different forcasts |
| [23:02:08] | GuySoft: | sphery, i am checking it out.. |
| [23:02:10] | sphery: | GuySoft: without restoring a backup from before the upgrade and losing all the recordings from after the upgrade |
| [23:02:22] | sphery: | GuySoft: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [23:02:27] | GuySoft: | sphery, i have no recording.. |
| [23:02:33] | GuySoft: | sphery, ok,.. |
| [23:02:35] | sphery: | still, back up |
| [23:02:40] | kormoc: | meshe, 61% cloudy, 60% cloudy, 62% cloudy? |
| [23:02:44] | GuySoft: | sphery, will do, thanks for warning |
| [23:03:06] | sphery: | (even though I wrote the code that automatically backs up the DB before an upgrade, I /highly/ recommend that anyone doing an upgrade do a backup first.) |
| [23:03:13] | GuySoft: | sphery, i can back up with phpmyadmin that i have here, wont that do? |
| [23:03:24] | sphery: | or maybe I should say: s/even though/because/ |
| [23:04:01] | meshe: | kormoc: 15C cloudy 18C raining 23C sunny |
| [23:04:09] | sphery: | GuySoft: the scripts at that page allow you to set up backups in a cron job or in a start/shutdown script or whatever and automatically manage the files for you |
| [23:04:13] | kormoc: | that's quite the spread |
| [23:04:23] | meshe: | i want a job where i can be that wrong that often |
| [23:04:31] | GuySoft: | sphery, overkill for now.. |
| [23:04:33] | sphery: | GuySoft: and, depending on what options you use for backing up, you may/may not get all the information you need |
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| [23:05:07] | sphery: | so, basically, the supported way of doing a backup is the one I referenced--any other approach and the results are yours to deal with :) |
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| [23:05:15] | Gav8in: | meshe: in many areas, for the 3 day out forecast, "72 and partly cloudy with a 5–10kt breeze" is more accurate than the actual forecast |
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| [23:05:45] | sphery: | I remember what 72 feels like... |
| [23:05:49] | sphery: | How I miss January |
| [23:06:20] | ** wagnerrp slaps sphery with a blizzard ** | |
| [23:06:22] | BlakDeath: | Hey Guys, I have a Motorola QIP-6200 STB.. i am having trouble getting the Firewire to show up as active. Current status says "yes" for enabled but "no" for active. anyone have any suggestions? |
| [23:07:24] | sphery: | wagnerrp: mmmm.... Nice and Peanut-butter Cruchy |
| [23:07:33] | BlakDeath: | I just want to be able to record TV via firewire :( |
| [23:07:37] | sphery: | (I hate that DQ quit making my favorite blizzard flavor) |
| [23:08:17] | sphery: | and now all the people that work there no longer remember it, so they look at me funny when I ask if they know how to make a Peanut-butter Crunch Blizzard |
| [23:08:28] | meshe: | it's 73F here |
| [23:08:34] | Gav8in: | meshe, see? see? |
| [23:08:51] | meshe: | lol |
| [23:09:00] | wagnerrp: | did they just crush up a Crunch bar to make that? or did they add peanut butter as well? |
| [23:09:00] | Gav8in: | is it partly cloudy? |
| [23:09:16] | sphery: | BlakDeath: knowing nothing about firewire, I'd say someone else is going to tell you something about priming and P2P versus (something else) |
| [23:09:41] | juski: | hang on one cotton picking minute. Boxee has major investment (like $4 million) behind it ? What the hell are they getting for their money other than some bolt-ons on top of XBMC? |
| [23:09:55] | meshe: | Gav8in: partly smoggy |
| [23:10:04] | BlakDeath: | sphery: thank you for the response. i am at a loss. cannot figure it out for the life of me :( |
| [23:10:26] | BlakDeath: | I know it can work, my STB is the one they use in the tutorials |
| [23:10:29] | sphery: | juski: it's expensive to constantly redesign the software to work around the protections that Hulu keeps putting in place |
| [23:10:47] | sphery: | BlakDeath: yeah, it's just a matter of finding the right person |
| [23:10:55] | juski: | lol |
| [23:10:59] | sphery: | many in here do firewire successfully |
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| [23:11:24] | sphery: | stick around and ask every once in a while and you might find someone |
| [23:11:26] | gbee: | "Harper's Island" Sounds dodgy, but should I give it a go? |
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| [23:11:38] | sphery: | or just go get yourself an antenna and drop cable and it's DRM |
| [23:11:48] | BlakDeath: | sphery: apprecaite the advice |
| [23:12:13] | sphery: | gbee: I watched it. It had great potential, but it went downhill fast. At the end, I was upset and wanted my time back. |
| [23:12:28] | sphery: | unfortunately, customer service said that the time was too stretched, so they couldn't accept a return |
| [23:12:37] | juski: | you know what I've been saying for ages about IPTV not necessarily being a good thing for consumers? Apparently the CEO of CBS Interactive has been heard to comment that the bugbear of ad skipping could be quashed if only they had control over media delivery. Enter TV Everywhere :-\ |
| [23:12:41] | meshe: | ouch, i hate that, one of the futurama movies left me feeling like that |
| [23:12:49] | gbee: | heh |
| [23:13:09] | laga: | meshe: the futurama movie and the simpsons movie left me like that |
| [23:13:13] | sphery: | gbee: even if you watch it, you won't know how annoying it is until the last episode. I was actually mad at the ending. The rest was tolerable. |
| [23:13:21] | laga: | meshe: i was.. cold. unprotected. |
| [23:13:25] | juski: | there was a futurama movie? |
| [23:13:31] | meshe: | laga: there were 4 futureama movies |
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| [23:13:38] | ** juski peers out from under his rock ** | |
| [23:13:42] | meshe: | 3... 4...? |
| [23:13:44] | sphery: | and there's new futurama tv coming!!! |
| [23:13:57] | laga: | meshe: i only watched bender's big coup |
| [23:13:59] | juski: | sigh. will it be any good though? |
| [23:14:07] | madLyfe: | sphery: how do you configure sources? |
| [23:14:17] | sphery: | Bender's Big Score |
| [23:14:23] | sphery: | The Beast with a Billion Backs |
| [23:14:26] | madLyfe: | i went to the sources settings and it says i need to add screens first.. |
| [23:14:31] | sphery: | I haven't gotten the other 2, yet |
| [23:14:32] | meshe: | Futurama: Bender's Big Score |
| [23:14:38] | meshe: | Futurama: The Beast with a Billion Backs |
| [23:14:43] | meshe: | Futurama: Bender's Game |
| [23:14:47] | gbee: | looking for something to fill the void that seems to be opening up over the next few weeks, I think I'm going to be left in withdrawal now that the final season of The Wire has started, just 3 weeks and then back to mediocre TV |
| [23:14:50] | meshe: | Futurama: Into the Wild Green Yonder |
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| [23:14:56] | laga: | yeah, bender's big score. that's what i meant |
| [23:15:01] | juski: | madLyfe: ahh mythweather. it used to be on my to-do list but I can't be bothered |
| [23:15:01] | meshe: | beast with a billion back SUCKED!!!! |
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| [23:15:41] | juski: | y'know with just the 'general info display' gadget I've oft considered we'd no longer even need mythweather |
| [23:16:03] | sphery: | or mythnews |
| [23:16:05] | meshe: | juski: yeah, just make it scriptable |
| [23:16:22] | sphery: | Into the Wild Green Yonder |
| [23:16:25] | juski: | just make it take a bunch of $stuff, then folks can do whatever they like with it |
| [23:16:28] | sphery: | 4th one%%% |
| [23:16:35] | madLyfe: | juski: huh? |
| [23:16:47] | juski: | kinda like the 'apple trailers plugin' but without the ugly mangling of menu xml |
| [23:16:55] | sphery: | madLyfe: he's talking about future development |
| [23:17:08] | madLyfe: | so its broken? |
| [23:17:11] | meshe: | juski: yeah, like xml input of $stuff |
| [23:17:19] | juski: | no it's not broken, just needs a bit of TLC |
| [23:17:26] | sphery: | madLyfe: no, just not pretty |
| [23:17:34] | juski: | nobody has the time nor the inclination |
| [23:17:54] | juski: | nobody really loves mythweather anymore :) |
| [23:18:00] | GuySoft: | ... hmm, needs new libs like qt4 |
| [23:18:02] | madLyfe: | hmmm cant get it to work.. |
| [23:18:24] | gbee: | juski: we do need mythweather, maybe not in it's current form, but something needs to translate that information from several different sources into an easily understood representation on a 30ft UI |
| [23:18:24] | juski: | madLyfe: configuring it is kinda crazy still. it's better than it used to be |
| [23:18:59] | gbee: | mythweather is not broken |
| [23:19:11] | juski: | I never said it was |
| [23:19:15] | gbee: | but check the logs, you probably don't have the perl modules installed that it needs |
| [23:19:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | I Loved mythweather when it worked 99% of the time... I haven't gotten it working [consistently] for a while now... |
| [23:19:29] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like a delivery truck pulling up |
| [23:19:47] | sphery: | new toys? |
| [23:19:47] | wagnerrp: | must be a laser powered dishwasher |
| [23:20:02] | meshe: | my mythweather still works, it just shows wrong data but that's the source's fault |
| [23:20:46] | gbee: | weather continues to work with both 0.21-fixes and trunk for me, no outstanding bugs to suggest that it's not working for others either |
| [23:20:52] | ** sphery decides not to make reference to Charmed's "The Source" for fear that people may figure out he watched Charmed ** | |
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| [23:21:29] | gbee: | sphery: that's alright, I watched it on and off, but not for the plots |
| [23:21:34] | juski: | gbee: your reworking made it easier to configure that's fo sure |
| [23:21:39] | sphery: | gbee: there were plots? |
| [23:21:51] | juski: | it was like EH? RUH? WHAT?! |
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| [23:22:30] | madLyfe: | how do you get mythtv into fullscreen? |
| [23:22:33] | gbee: | sphery: so I'm told, I didn't watch it with the sound on |
| [23:22:40] | sphery: | the biggest challenge, anymore, is figuring out what to use in the Location search--most users assume city name or zip code, which don't work with the US grabbers |
| [23:22:43] | juski: | madLyfe: tell it to run fullscreen |
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| [23:22:45] | sphery: | gbee: heh |
| [23:22:58] | juski: | madLyfe: you can't resize it on the fly by dragging it or hitting a window decoration |
| [23:23:04] | gbee: | madLyfe: with care, TV's are very fragile, but you'll need a screwdriver |
| [23:23:23] | meshe: | Holly Marie Combs, Allysa Milano and Shannon Dohrety... hmm, wonder why you watched it |
| [23:23:35] | sphery: | gbee: as long as you're here, did you have any outstanding concerns on #5759 ? I fixed it to pass the window name in through the constructor. |
| [23:23:44] | gbee: | sphery: thought zip code did work with the US grabbers? |
| [23:23:50] | GuySoft: | gbee, and if they are old, you need to be carful not to die due to the cathode.. |
| [23:23:53] | madLyfe: | juski: what ya mean? |
| [23:24:09] | kormoc: | Milano++ Dohrety++ |
| [23:24:10] | sphery: | gbee: lots of the sources use other stuff like Southeast or Florida or ... |
| [23:24:43] | sphery: | not a MythWeather issues--just the sources--but still not intuitive |
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| [23:24:54] | gbee: | madLyfe: mythtv isn't a desktop application, it's normal behaviour is to run full screen, you can't change the screen size after starting mythfrontend, you need to exit and restart |
| [23:25:01] | Gav8in: | does mythweather do marine weather? |
| [23:25:14] | ** sphery wonders why everyone forgets cousin Paige... ** | |
| [23:25:21] | Gav8in: | 'cuz if it doesn't, expect a patch from me in time for launch in the coming spring |
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| [23:25:30] | sphery: | (really half-sister, but...) |
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| [23:26:06] | juski: | madLyfe: you want to make mythfrontend take up the whole of your desktop? |
| [23:26:12] | madLyfe: | ya |
| [23:26:19] | sphery: | which makes me wonder why--after Prue was killed off--they didn't call it "The Power of 2 1/2" |
| [23:26:25] | juski: | madLyfe: you can't just make it do that without changing settings |
| [23:26:45] | juski: | madLyfe: you cannot drag the window. You cannot resize it on the fly. There is no MAXIMIZE button |
| [23:27:02] | madLyfe: | by editng the scripts or is there an option in mythtv? |
| [23:27:22] | kormoc: | sphery, page++ |
| [23:27:26] | sphery: | Gav8in: MythWeather uses pluggable scripts for grabbing data, so if you can find a source for the data whose Terms of Service allows its use, we'd love another grabber script |
| [23:27:44] | sphery: | kormoc: Rose by any other name is Paige |
| [23:27:44] | madLyfe: | or does it just go full screen when you output to tv? ie plug your tv into the computer.. |
| [23:28:06] | juski: | madLyfe: you have to either: 1. go into appearance settings & change the size to 0 x 0 for it to use fullscreen (and disable 'run mythfrontend in a window') or b) stop mythfrontend and run it with mythfrontend -geometry screenreswidthxscreenresheight |
| [23:28:32] | juski: | madLyfe: by default mythfrontend should take up the whole of the desktop size |
| [23:28:40] | sphery: | but after running with mythfrontend -geometry , you'll have to do 1) so that it will "stick" |
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| [23:28:52] | juski: | madLyfe: if it isn't, you've already changed settings |
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| [23:29:01] | sphery: | or your distro did? |
| [23:29:11] | madLyfe: | well it takes up the desktop but i still have the ubuntu bars at the top and bottom.. |
| [23:29:16] | andys: | random question |
| [23:29:22] | andys: | does anybody have an msi media live here? |
| [23:29:28] | andys: | and do they know if it will post to TV-out? |
| [23:29:29] | sphery: | madLyfe: ah, that's totally different... That's Compiz |
| [23:29:45] | gbee: | sphery: if I didn't mention anything else earlier, then I probably have no objections, but I might just be saying that because it's the easy answer and it gets me off the hook if you break something |
| [23:30:02] | sphery: | gbee: heh, I'm pretty sure nothing breaks. |
| [23:30:13] | Gav8in: | sphery, I can easily find such sources for Canada & the USA. I'll look at it as soon as I have a working box. |
| [23:30:16] | sphery: | though there may be some code that's not quite the way you'd do it |
| [23:30:23] | madLyfe: | sphery: compiz? |
| [23:30:26] | juski: | andys: those horrible slimline PCs Maplin were selling off cheap a while back? |
| [23:30:35] | gbee: | madLyfe: under the compiz configuration is an option saying something about Legacy Fullscreen |
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| [23:30:49] | andys: | juski: probably ;) |
| [23:30:57] | andys: | I think it looks okay, but I probably have lousy taste! |
| [23:31:07] | meshe: | madLyfe: sudo apt-get install ccsm && ccsm |
| [23:31:21] | gbee: | juski: doubt it, MSI is a known brand and Maplin's never sell known brands ;) |
| [23:31:25] | andys: | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/128368 |
| [23:31:30] | andys: | is what it looks like |
| [23:31:35] | juski: | fleabuyer is the other one |
| [23:31:39] | andys: | I thought it looked pretty. And I'm tight |
| [23:31:46] | madLyfe: | whats compiz config? |
| [23:31:59] | andys: | I also don't own a monitor |
| [23:32:00] | meshe: | madLyfe: Utility -> Workarounds -> make sure Legacy Fullscreen Support is checked |
| [23:32:04] | BlakDeath: | I am logged into Mythbuntu. how can i start a recording? |
| [23:32:16] | andys: | nor an HD TV |
| [23:32:19] | meshe: | madLyfe: the program that configures compiz |
| [23:32:24] | juski: | andys: does it even have svideo out? |
| [23:32:38] | andys: | it has SVideo, Component, SCART, Composite, HDMI and VGA |
| [23:32:41] | meshe: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=compiz |
| [23:32:41] | gbee: | andys: that's actually pretty appealing |
| [23:32:50] | juski: | BlakDeath: do yourself (and us) a favour by reading the mythbuntu documentation please |
| [23:32:57] | andys: | I've tried SVideo so far, and lots of things make noise, so it sounds like it posted okay, but no display on my TV |
| [23:33:03] | meshe: | madLyfe: google is your friend :) |
| [23:33:06] | andys: | I can try SCART and Component, but it's late and I'm tired :) |
| [23:33:25] | juski: | andys: with onboard Nvidia I'd have assumed you'd see the BIOS on the TVout |
| [23:33:31] | gbee: | though it could do with being sub-£100 |
| [23:33:36] | andys: | dunno if I need to just borrow a monitor from work. As well as a USB keyboard, given that myth might otherwise be tricky to install |
| [23:33:48] | juski: | gbee: it's less than a silverstone case & looks prettier ;-) |
| [23:33:56] | andys: | juski: this is what I was thinking, but there is, as always, sod all documentation |
| [23:34:10] | andys: | I can dig out SCART cables and composite, I just want to know whether it is worthwhile :) |
| [23:34:19] | juski: | andys: with only svideo plugged in at boot time I'd guess it should work |
| [23:34:32] | juski: | if svideo doesn't work I doubt SCART will |
| [23:34:34] | madLyfe: | where is utility located? |
| [23:35:00] | meshe: | madLyfe: did you run the command i told you to? |
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| [23:35:13] | madLyfe: | ah crap one sec |
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| [23:35:25] | meshe: | madLyfe: sudo apt-get install ccsm && ccsm |
| [23:35:32] | juski: | andys: are the rear panel AV connectors plugged in ? ;-) |
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| [23:36:09] | juski: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MSI_Media_Live |
| [23:36:31] | madLyfe: | invalid operation instal.. |
| [23:36:44] | madLyfe: | crap |
| [23:36:46] | madLyfe: | sec |
| [23:36:55] | kormoc: | missing a l there |
| [23:37:10] | madLyfe: | ya |
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| [23:37:28] | madLyfe: | E: couldnt find package ccsm |
| [23:37:31] | andys: | umm, I think so juski |
| [23:37:42] | andys: | hrm |
| [23:37:45] | andys: | I have no idea if it is working |
| [23:37:51] | gbee: | iamlindoro: coverimage, buttonimage – all the same thing right now, unless you switch between screenshot/coverimage with context, in which case buttonimage could be anything |
| [23:37:51] | andys: | it isn't beeping, and things are whirring |
| [23:37:54] | andys: | so I am vaguely optimistic |
| [23:38:12] | madLyfe: | reading lists done, building dependency tree, reading state info done, then E: couldnt find package ccsm |
| [23:38:12] | andys: | svideo no worky, neither does SCART |
| [23:38:17] | meshe: | madLyfe: sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager && ccsm |
| [23:38:46] | andys: | my next options are component, which probably won't work (it's a 480p TV) or composite (lord knows where I have a cable for that) |
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| [23:38:58] | andys: | (well, 576p TV) |
| [23:39:01] | juski: | andys: get the manuel, si? http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=downloaddet . . . prod_no=1113 |
| [23:39:10] | andys: | I can't see it obviously in the manual |
| [23:39:14] | andys: | I have the paper version :) |
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| [23:39:51] | andys: | anyway, never mind, was wondering if anybody had one |
| [23:39:56] | andys: | I fear I will be borrowing a monitor |
| [23:40:06] | juski: | andys: my epia board with tvout needed a monitor so I could configure the tvout |
| [23:40:17] | juski: | just a one-time thing |
| [23:40:24] | andys: | second question – is the Nova-HD-S2 worth getting? or more specifically, does it work properly? |
| [23:40:45] | andys: | juski: I feared so. It's annoying as I don't actually have one! I have a laptop and my "good" CRT TV |
| [23:40:45] | juski: | andys: there's bugger all on S2 for the UK right now |
| [23:40:59] | gbee: | I've not heard bad things nor good things |
| [23:41:07] | sphery: | juski: as a themer, I'd appreciate your input on http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5759#comment:1 . It would add another screen (mainly because I'm sure a certain person would be very upset if I replace Set Priorities). I had thought it could be optional--themers could choose to include either Manage Recording Rules or Set Priorities or both. Unfortunately, since users can change menu themes independently of GUI themes, it ... |
| [23:41:10] | andys: | juski: true, the bigger issue is that I want it now, and I can't actually find an S card that's available "soon", like, tomorrow |
| [23:41:14] | sphery: | ... may still make for some extra work for themers. Any suggestions on the best way to do it for themers? |
| [23:41:36] | andys: | whereas I can buy an S2 from PC World (don't laugh, cheaper than Amazon and EBuyer) |
| [23:42:02] | sphery: | juski: there's be a screen in default{,-wide}, but if nothing else, the watermark/icon stuff might be something that themers would want to add... |
| [23:42:16] | madLyfe: | meshe: ok i did that, now what? i enabled fullscreen.. |
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| [23:43:14] | juski: | andys: it could very well actually be working but the BIOS default is a TV standard your TV doesn't accept ;-) |
| [23:43:14] | meshe: | madLyfe: you did this: Utility -> Workarounds -> make sure Legacy Fullscreen Support is checked |
| [23:43:17] | madLyfe: | nice i reloaded and it work.. |
| [23:43:19] | madLyfe: | ya |
| [23:43:21] | juski: | looked in the FM for it & that is set in a BIOS menu |
| [23:43:25] | madLyfe: | i had to restart frontend.. |
| [23:43:28] | meshe: | yup |
| [23:43:44] | ** wagnerrp is an idoit ** | |
| [23:43:45] | andys: | juski: my TV should do most things, unless it is set to Brazillian |
| [23:43:49] | andys: | or whatever :) |
| [23:43:50] | madLyfe: | lol now how do i get back to the desktop from here? |
| [23:43:53] | wagnerrp: | an idiot too... |
| [23:43:55] | andys: | also the TV isn't even flickering |
| [23:44:06] | juski: | yeah Brazillian TV standard is just a thin line in the middle |
| [23:44:25] | wagnerrp: | i was running a loop for as long as some value was zero, and was wondering why the input of '0' would not break out of the loop |
| [23:44:27] | meshe: | going home, have a good night everyone |
| [23:44:31] | andys: | the picture isn't even moving |
| [23:44:33] | andys: | :( |
| [23:44:38] | andys: | I think I will borrow a monitor tomorrow |
| [23:44:47] | andys: | and hope that it's not actually screwed and I have to RMA it |
| [23:44:51] | andys: | which would be a royal PITA |
| [23:44:58] | andys: | as I think it looks good :p |
| [23:45:03] | juski: | andys: ebuyer RMA is ok, used them recently for a UPS |
| [23:45:23] | andys: | it's more that my previous myth box has died, taking all of my murder she wrote episodes with it |
| [23:45:24] | wagnerrp: | juski: is that some reference to thongs? |
| [23:45:35] | juski: | wagnerrp: brazillian ;-) |
| [23:45:41] | sphery: | are royal PITA's what monarchs eat their gyro's in? |
| [23:45:45] | madLyfe: | when in fullscreen, how do i get back to the desktop? |
| [23:46:46] | juski: | sphery: I dunno about the 1 screen vs 2 issue. renaming priorities to rules.. hrm.. don't think it'd make any difference |
| [23:46:59] | juski: | madLyfe: you know that key with ALT written on it? |
| [23:47:06] | andys: | oh well, I will give up for today, and borrow a monitor for tomorrow. And a keyboard :p |
| [23:47:07] | juski: | madLyfe: and that key with TAB written on it? |
| [23:47:13] | juski: | press them both at the same time! |
| [23:47:17] | andys: | thank you very much for your help juski and everybody else |
| [23:47:20] | madLyfe: | ah |
| [23:47:22] | madLyfe: | lol |
| [23:47:29] | ** juski smacks madLyfe ** | |
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| [23:47:43] | sphery: | juski: yeah, there's a dev who really likes priorities |
| [23:47:59] | juski: | sphery: does he really like video sources too? |
| [23:48:02] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:48:10] | sphery: | and the scheduler |
| [23:48:11] | juski: | and would it hurt the project if we got a contract out on em? |
| [23:48:20] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:48:22] | josh_: | In my channel guide, i have one channel that the callsign is lit up yellow. I'm not recording anything. Why's it different? |
| [23:49:21] | wagnerrp: | livetv guide? or schedule recordings guide? |
| [23:49:28] | sphery: | Well, I may just proceed as previously designed--2 screens. Worst case would be having to include watermark/icon info (and just use the default screen), right? |
| [23:49:28] | josh_: | LiveTV guide. |
| [23:49:33] | juski: | sphery: are they also the ones who decided that feature X should be bound to key 'foo' because 'foo' is a letter of the alphabet, just like the first letter of the 'foo' function? |
| [23:49:38] | wagnerrp: | then you are recording a channel |
| [23:49:57] | josh_: | but I'm not... I even checked the backend status |
| [23:50:07] | sphery: | he's saying LiveTV is a recording |
| [23:50:07] | wagnerrp: | then youre not in the livetv EPG |
| [23:50:27] | josh_: | I'm in liveTV, and I hit 'guide' |
| [23:50:28] | juski: | sphery: having 2 screens would leave it up to the tastemakers.. ahem. themers |
| [23:50:49] | josh_: | I only have one analog tuner, and the channel it's "recording" on is another analog channel |
| [23:50:51] | sphery: | juski: don't know about the keybindings thing... |
| [23:50:55] | wagnerrp: | if youre in livetv, you are recording something (by function of being in livetv) |
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| [23:51:05] | wagnerrp: | if the backend status says otherwise, it is somehow broken |
| [23:51:09] | sphery: | juski: cool... thanks for the input |
| [23:51:29] | juski: | sphery: another screen won't hurt I don't think. I mean I've often considered trying to claw out some kind of autoexpiry screen so I never need see the status-ui page again |
| [23:51:32] | wagnerrp: | youre not exiting livetv to look at the info page in the frontend are you? |
| [23:51:41] | josh_: | wagnerrp, agreed. But what I'm recording is not what is lit up in the LiveTV EPG |
| [23:51:53] | wagnerrp: | oh, then i have no idea |
| [23:52:07] | sphery: | juski: don't do that--making autoexpire list more visible will make more people complain about how "it's not in the right order" |
| [23:52:20] | juski: | lol |
| [23:52:41] | juski: | I'll put a caveat onscreen to make them aware ;) |
| [23:53:01] | wagnerrp: | josh_: you have any trouble with how it imported those channels? |
| [23:53:17] | sphery: | heh... "Object in list will expire sooner than they appear" |
| [23:53:28] | juski: | sphery: I rarely even use recording priorities anymore. much less of an issue since multirec :D |
| [23:53:34] | josh_: | wagnerrp, they imported just fine. I did find a small bug when the entered chanid contains a character that's not an integer |
| [23:53:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i have no checking against that |
| [23:53:59] | josh_: | wagnerrp, I fat fingered one and ended up trying to add 30–3 |
| [23:54:11] | josh_: | mysql recovered from it, saving it as chanid "0" |
| [23:54:25] | wagnerrp: | i should probably remove that from user access |
| [23:54:32] | wagnerrp: | just incrementing through the free chanids |
| [23:54:57] | josh_: | wagnerrp, I'm not sure how high myth is designed to go on chanids, but there's a theoretical infinite limit |
| [23:55:08] | madLyfe: | how do i search for music to listen to over the network? does it matter that its on a windows machine? |
| [23:55:17] | josh_: | I'd just grab the highest chanid in the database, and then increment +1 |
| [23:55:24] | sphery: | madLyfe: Myth has no UPnP client, so we can't do it |
| [23:55:33] | juski: | madLyfe: you need to mount a network share & scan the directory you mount within mythmusic |
| [23:55:35] | wagnerrp: | madLyfe: mythmusic can only access music through the file system |
| [23:55:42] | sphery: | madLyfe: You need to share the directories with music using CIFS |
| [23:55:54] | wagnerrp: | what sphery and juski said |
| [23:56:01] | juski: | oh noes! moar lernins things! |
| [23:56:02] | madLyfe: | hmmm |
| [23:57:10] | juski: | madLyfe: various FUSE jerry-rig efforts can work with upnp shares & let you use them like a filesystem – but mythmusic won't work on those either – it won't pick up on changes until you rescan |
| [23:57:55] | madLyfe: | ah ok, some how i have to get linux to see my windows share first.. |
| [23:59:23] | wagnerrp: | ok, now it just starts at <sourceid>001, and increments until it finds an available chanid |
| [23:59:56] | sphery: | sourceid or chanid? |
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