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| [00:01:09] | kormoc: | would the x,y be useful for anything? |
| [00:02:31] | juski: | hmm not really |
| [00:02:53] | juski: | only need them right now to re-centre the images |
| [00:03:57] | kormoc: | I would shoot for the re-centering in the same function then |
| [00:04:09] | juski: | I tried translating the Qmatrix to 0.5width, 0.5height before (seemingly best way to do it) but it didn't seem to do anything |
| [00:04:20] | juski: | though maybe it will now other stuff's changed |
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| [00:09:47] | juski: | googling the subject has shown me there are lots of fans of using the qt painter itself for this stuff |
| [00:09:58] | juski: | have you seen the jaggy mess it makes? ;) |
| [00:10:37] | juski: | I have 4.5 on here which is alleged to be vastly improved on older qt versions. I can only say if that's an *improvement*.. yeesh |
| [00:11:05] | gbee: | when scaling it has fast & smooth options, is that the case for transformations too? |
| [00:11:36] | gbee: | fast being nasty and smooth being decent |
| [00:12:24] | gbee: | oh, I see you are already using smooth |
| [00:12:29] | ** gbee shuts up ** | |
| [00:12:55] | juski: | gbee: when using the painter directly, it sucked |
| [00:13:21] | juski: | I tried it earlier. nice & fast, but sucky looking |
| [00:13:44] | juski: | great for 90 degree increments though ;) |
| [00:14:20] | gbee: | if you can do this before the image is scaled it will be slower, but at least for covers etc it should produce better results, only can't be done in the painter :/ |
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| [00:15:29] | juski: | 4.5 has all sorts of snazzy stuff apparently but if they don't care for the quality of rendering in the painter it can all go to hell |
| [00:15:36] | gbee: | sorry, guess I've not read enough of scrollback, but are the results decent when using transformed? |
| [00:15:44] | juski: | oh yes |
| [00:15:48] | gbee: | ahh |
| [00:16:02] | juski: | just not when doing a similar thing to what's being done in the gl painter, in qt ;) |
| [00:16:11] | juski: | i.e. bypass the mythimage method |
| [00:17:05] | gbee: | which renderHints did you use? http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qpainter.html#setRenderHint http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qpainter.html#rendering-quality http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/qpainter.html#RenderHint-enum |
| [00:17:26] | juski: | it has renderhints? oh damnit |
| [00:17:48] | juski: | it was a piece of pie to do it in the painter itself so I could try again tomorrow |
| [00:18:15] | juski: | case of move the canvas, rotate the canvas, draw, reset the canvas ;) |
| [00:18:20] | gbee: | plus I *think* we may be using a pixmap for the QT painter, it advises a QImage for the best results |
| [00:18:42] | gbee: | http://doc.trolltech.com/4.4/painting-concentriccircles.html << Interesting comparison |
| [00:19:34] | juski: | the default might be fine for mobile phone apps :P |
| [00:20:37] | juski: | antialiased is prolly good enough. thing is, will it be fast enough? |
| [00:20:59] | gbee: | setRenderHints(QPainter::Antialiasing | QPainter::TextAntialiasing | QPainter::SmoothPixmapTransform); |
| [00:21:43] | juski: | gbee: did you try doing any of the mythimage effects in the painter originally, just to see how they looked? |
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| [00:22:34] | gbee: | juski: non at all, I took a shortcut since doing it in mythimage meant one implementation instead of two (or more) |
| [00:22:39] | gbee: | none |
| [00:23:02] | juski: | if stuff isn't animated, so long as the qt painter itself looks ok & doesn't take much time I think it's worth having a crack at |
| [00:23:03] | gbee: | always intended to go back and do it properly, but time etc |
| [00:23:33] | kormoc: | Is there a reason to keep the QT one around? |
| [00:23:41] | juski: | apparently there is |
| [00:24:29] | gbee: | kormoc: opengl either isn't available or is broken on some systems/drivers |
| [00:25:03] | juski: | most if not all the 'competition' use SDL.. and that seems fall between two stools, miles away from either stool |
| [00:25:16] | kormoc: | Fair 'nuff, just seems to be a dying target |
| [00:25:33] | juski: | hopefully we'll just have two before long eh :) |
| [00:25:34] | kormoc: | and will get harder and harder to maintain the more ui effects that get added |
| [00:25:38] | j-rod: | last time I tried the opengl painter on !nvidia graphics... well, fail. |
| [00:26:02] | gbee: | juski: it's own stool, in a corner, facing the wall and wearing a pointy hat |
| [00:26:11] | juski: | kormoc: animation is a non-starter on non-accelerated systems |
| [00:26:58] | juski: | gbee: on my C2D laptop, XBMC can sit there in its menus drawing 50% CPU |
| [00:27:15] | juski: | I mean WTF? |
| [00:27:46] | gbee: | think I'll call it a night |
| [00:28:13] | juski: | yeah my battery's about to go so I will too. another good progress day though :) |
| [00:28:16] | juski: | night all |
| [00:28:25] | gbee: | for one of us anyway :) |
| [00:31:16] | ** kormoc tips his hat at juski ** | |
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| [00:36:16] | wagnerrp: | WTF... |
| [00:36:35] | wagnerrp: | why is someone on the -users list asking if VDPAU can be used for visualizations in mythmusic |
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| [00:38:40] | iamlindoro: | Because people are silly |
| [00:40:42] | android6011: | whats wrong with extreme music visualizing :p |
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| [00:42:10] | iamlindoro: | Nothing, but I don't use a toaster to dig in my garden either |
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| [00:43:28] | android6011: | ha |
| [00:49:05] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Care to test a patch? |
| [00:49:35] | kormoc: | Sure! |
| [00:50:10] | iamlindoro: | Hang on a sec, will PM |
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| [00:57:32] | gizmobay: | Is PBP not working? |
| [00:57:48] | gizmobay: | trunk that is |
| [00:58:49] | janneg: | gizmobay: with "length mismatch between programinfo" |
| [00:59:38] | gizmobay: | what does length mismatch mean? |
| [00:59:52] | gizmobay: | programs on two different times? |
| [01:00:02] | gizmobay: | like one an hour and the other 1/2 hour |
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| [01:03:31] | juski: | yeah yeah I said I was going to sleep, but.. http://imagebin.ca/img/XzUPjV.png that's the actual qt painter doing a rotate. some bug in the drawing somehow, but otherwise looks fine & seems nippy quick |
| [01:04:17] | janneg: | gizmobay: no, nothing like that. programinfo is the structure hilding information of a recording. I'm interested if you see that message in the frontend output |
| [01:04:38] | ** juski needs a cure for all this midnight oil burning ** | |
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| [01:06:55] | juski: | hrm maybe the bug is caused by correct operation of deciding which bits of the screen are dirty.. |
| [01:08:05] | juski: | I think so, since the top of the frame bitmap is what's cutting off the redraw area |
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| [01:09:21] | iamlindo`: | bah |
| [01:09:25] | iamlindo`: | did my last two messages in #mythtv get out? |
| [01:09:44] | iamlindo`: | And were there any responses? |
| [01:09:56] | gizmobay: | I see a slice mismatch error |
| [01:10:01] | juski: | iamlindo`: http://imagebin.ca/img/XzUPjV.png – qt painter doing the rotate in the actual painter, not pre-rotating :) |
| [01:10:16] | juski: | iamlindo`: no to both ;) |
| [01:10:21] | iamlindo`: | suck |
| [01:10:26] | iamlindo`: | juski, Nice!! |
| [01:10:45] | juski: | iamlindo`: image quality there is the default. I think I really screwed up when I tested it earlier |
| [01:10:53] | iamlindo`: | juski, Asked what I should call the menu item for changing the metadata browse mode... but I think I'll settle on "Browse By..." |
| [01:11:05] | juski: | sounds ok to me |
| [01:11:16] | iamlindo`: | juski, Looks like clipping issues though |
| [01:11:29] | juski: | iamlindo`: intended behaviour of the ui code |
| [01:11:41] | juski: | iamlindo`: it needs to be changed to take into account the new factor ;) |
| [01:12:00] | juski: | it's done that way to speed things up |
| [01:12:13] | juski: | i.e. to save redrawing the whole screen |
| [01:12:20] | iamlindo`: | juski, did you see: http://www.fecitfacta.com/genre.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/director.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/year.png ? |
| [01:12:30] | juski: | yeah. VERY neat |
| [01:12:49] | juski: | couple of alignment issues in some places but very erm.. yes. VERY |
| [01:12:55] | iamlindo`: | Just need to smart myself up a way to automatically build TV stuff |
| [01:13:02] | iamlindo`: | yeah, I've never gone back and fixed that view |
| [01:13:09] | iamlindo`: | Got distracted |
| [01:13:18] | iamlindo`: | but easiest way to illustrate the concept |
| [01:14:53] | juski: | so I dunno now, I can put some image fx directly in the painter, then update more of the screen (arghhh bit messy) or stick with the bloody awful if (!opengl && is_FX) doFX() all over the show |
| [01:15:17] | juski: | speed of the native painting ops is key I think |
| [01:16:10] | iamlindo`: | where'd kormoc slip off to? |
| [01:16:30] | juski: | with the rotate done on the fly you can still hold a key down & the screen more or less blurs as much as when it's the gl painter so maybe it's a no-brainer |
| [01:16:51] | juski: | iamlindo`: he quit 16 mins ago |
| [01:16:56] | iamlindo`: | bah |
| [01:17:09] | iamlindo`: | juski, I am out of love with the Qt painter |
| [01:17:12] | juski: | well it was 2am :P |
| [01:17:25] | iamlindo`: | I'd like to see it gone-- if eckbeeemsee can, so can we |
| [01:17:50] | juski: | that sucks though. sitting there doing only it's scrolly scroll thing eating 50% of my cpu |
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| [01:18:20] | juski: | thought SDL was supposed to leverage hardware if it found it |
| [01:18:22] | juski: | ;) |
| [01:19:13] | juski: | windows people will presumably need the qt painter, then there are those who have non-gl friendly hardware on linux |
| [01:19:45] | iamlindo`: | Those people can get jobs and vuy graphics cards ;) |
| [01:19:45] | juski: | but I dunno, there's merit for & against it |
| [01:19:48] | iamlindo`: | er buy |
| [01:20:36] | juski: | fglrx can't be bad at gl stuff – I mean the eyecandy brigade would be all over dissing it if that were the case |
| [01:21:06] | juski: | and I've only heard a couple of cases of problems with ql painting on Intel |
| [01:21:39] | juski: | at the end of the day it'd be Chutt's call. this is his baby |
| [01:23:02] | [James]: | Whats the best distro to use for mythtv? |
| [01:23:06] | juski: | anyway this is the qt painter draw routine with added rotation: easy peasy http://pastebin.ca/1527363 |
| [01:23:14] | juski: | [James]: whatever you're most comfortable with |
| [01:23:37] | [James]: | Well Im using ubuntu right now. And just cant get my video card drivers to work |
| [01:23:48] | juski: | [James]: and if you're not.. prolly better to go with an all-in-one mythtv based distro |
| [01:24:04] | [James]: | Well Im using mythbuntu right now |
| [01:24:06] | juski: | [James]: forget about mythtv til you get them working then ;) |
| [01:24:12] | [James]: | exactly |
| [01:24:19] | juski: | no video acceleration == FAIL |
| [01:24:30] | [James]: | what are some other all in one distros? |
| [01:24:48] | juski: | knoppmyth, now known as LINHES – see www.mysettopbox.tv |
| [01:25:01] | juski: | and then there's MythDora AFAIK. And that's your lot |
| [01:26:37] | iamlindo`: | whatever you are comfortable with |
| [01:27:24] | iamlindo`: | Ah hell, I think I'm gonna commit it |
| [01:27:33] | iamlindo`: | it works, can't find any huge obvious problems with it |
| [01:27:46] | [James]: | are on board graphics good enough. Or do I need my graphics card? |
| [01:27:58] | iamlindo`: | Depends on the On-board |
| [01:28:25] | [James]: | Ok. I dont even know the motherboard thats in there. |
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| [01:29:55] | [James]: | Im going to take out the GPU and see if it will boot up |
| [01:30:43] | juski: | yeah need to hack the redraw code to fix the overdrawing if we're gonna use the painter to do fx onboard |
| [01:30:54] | juski: | could be simple |
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| [01:32:26] | dibbz: | interesting i never realised knoppix used pacman |
| [01:32:32] | dibbz: | i thought it was only arch |
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| [01:32:49] | juski: | they moved to arch a while back |
| [01:32:50] | dibbz: | owe |
| [01:32:55] | dibbz: | reads more they ditched knoppix |
| [01:33:03] | dibbz: | yeh been a while, arch is nice |
| [01:34:24] | [James]: | Im guessing you guys all installed mythtv from source? |
| [01:34:45] | dibbz: | i used debian-multimedia until i wanted to use some patches |
| [01:34:49] | dibbz: | sounce is easy as tho |
| [01:35:00] | dibbz: | *ahem* source |
| [01:35:08] | juski: | heh there's no SetParentNeedsRedraw function |
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| [01:36:17] | iamlindo`: | Anduin, Heh, way to show up just as I commit something big ;) |
| [01:36:48] | [James]: | haha Im using onboard now, and it looks wayyyyyyyy better than with the better GPU |
| [01:37:05] | dibbz: | hm |
| [01:37:15] | [James]: | I guess thats what drivers do |
| [01:37:44] | Anduin: | Yeah, my IRC proxy is on the DSL line, figured it wouldn't be down too long, haven't read the commit list today though. |
| [01:37:47] | dibbz: | i dont have WAF issues as the W is a developer, is .22 worth switching to yet? |
| [01:38:26] | iamlindo`: | Anduin, Rewrote the Metadata browse modes last night/today... Five in right now, but I'll add more in the coming days |
| [01:39:08] | iamlindo`: | By Director, Year, Genre, Category, Default |
| [01:39:16] | dibbz: | mm |
| [01:39:34] | [James]: | I cant get the the channel names to show up. And the Guide doesnt show the scheduling. Something I missed in setup? |
| [01:39:41] | Anduin: | iamlindo`: Yup, read it now, nice. |
| [01:40:02] | iamlindo`: | Anduin, I know I have heard that feature request many times, so... :) |
| [01:40:30] | juski: | developers doing feature whatnow? :-O ;-) |
| [01:40:46] | iamlindo`: | heh |
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| [01:40:59] | clever: | juski: :O |
| [01:41:23] | iamlindoro: | Kinda neat to see which directors have done episodes of multiple of my favorite shows |
| [01:41:50] | juski: | maybe I should get my ole 800mhz athlon machine down from the attic to test the qt painter effects done natively. if they seem fast enough to use on there... |
| [01:41:58] | Shadow__X: | i am excited to see fringe come back |
| [01:42:49] | juski: | or is there a way to simulate a slower CPU without using a VM? |
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| [01:44:15] | dibbz: | slow the processor down wit cpuspeed / powersaved perhaps |
| [01:44:23] | jblack_: | used to be done with timing loops |
| [01:48:07] | juski: | jblack_: yeah but I'm not going in & changing code in qt to test how myth performs :P |
| [01:48:21] | juski: | I mean qt itself |
| [01:50:16] | juski: | slowed a core down to 800mhz, seemed a teensy bit slower than before.. nothing major, and with the amount of images likely to be effected in a theme.. I think it'll be ok y'know |
| [01:50:37] | iamlindoro: | nice |
| [01:50:51] | iamlindoro: | did you taskset to that core? |
| [01:51:03] | juski: | no, dunno how |
| [01:51:17] | iamlindoro: | taskset -c $numofcore mythfrontend |
| [01:51:24] | iamlindoro: | ie taskset -c 0 mythfrontend |
| [01:51:36] | juski: | I set both to 800mhz as a matter of fact ;) |
| [01:52:30] | iamlindoro: | still might be worth pinning to one core to more closely simulate a single core 800 |
| [01:52:43] | juski: | kk |
| [01:53:50] | juski: | a little slower but certainly nothing to write home about |
| [01:55:29] | juski: | iamlindoro: thought of a nice effect for the gl painter which would look good with a plasma kinda background ;) |
| [01:55:56] | iamlindoro: | <nakedchicks><number>3</number></nakedchicks>? |
| [01:56:02] | juski: | hahaha |
| [01:56:57] | juski: | anyway, fix the redraw issue in this & it's done without anything like the kind of mess we need otherwise |
| [01:58:39] | iamlindoro: | Great job |
| [01:58:57] | juski: | qt4.5 can actually do 3d transform type stuff apparently, so uh, yeah. maybe just limit animation effects (other than flipbook) to the !qt painter |
| [01:59:21] | juski: | crap. 3am again |
| [01:59:29] | juski: | my alarm goes off at 6 |
| [02:00:07] | iamlindoro: | get to bed, enough for today :) |
| [02:00:20] | juski: | yes sir! |
| [02:00:31] | juski: | have fun, you big committer you |
| [02:00:53] | iamlindoro: | Heh, till they change my password on me ;) |
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| [02:20:38] | gizmobay: | I made a dvd in 0.21 using mytharchive. I tried using the dvd in the trunk and it causes a segfault. Works with VLC. |
| [02:21:10] | gizmobay: | Can someone point me in the right direction |
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| [02:26:43] | Shadow__X: | -> |
| [02:30:00] | gizmobay: | ok point me in the wrong direction |
| [02:30:20] | iamlindoro: | <- |
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| [02:30:32] | gizmobay: | <<- |
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| [02:32:26] | nighthawk: | anyone here happen to have experience with ftdi lirc receivers? |
| [02:36:29] | j-rod: | nighthawk: not directly, no |
| [02:36:53] | j-rod: | but to answer your question from #lirc, I don't think there will be a /dev/lircX entry for it |
| [02:37:06] | nighthawk: | I'm onto new issues now :-) |
| [02:37:07] | j-rod: | so far as I know, they use the userspace libftdi driver |
| [02:37:23] | nighthawk: | w/mode two, the same button gives different pulse codes each time |
| [02:37:34] | nighthawk: | mode2 rather |
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| [02:38:02] | nighthawk: | I understand that to not be good |
| [02:38:19] | j-rod: | yeah, that sounds not good |
| [02:38:24] | nighthawk: | and explain why irw w/lircd doesnt give good results |
| [02:38:34] | j-rod: | unfortunately, no clue *why* that might be happening |
| [02:38:45] | j-rod: | christoph is the userspace guru, but he's never on irc |
| [02:39:03] | nighthawk: | whats a good place to query? mailing list? direct email? |
| [02:39:22] | nighthawk: | I do get input, so I don't think I assembled it wrong |
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| [02:39:59] | Wicked: | hello all. have you guys seen this? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500028 ...looks like a perfect setup for mythtv |
| [02:40:28] | j-rod: | nighthawk: yeah, I'd ask on lirc-list@lists.sourceforge.net |
| [02:40:29] | wagnerrp: | not up with current events are you... |
| [02:40:32] | iamlindoro: | Well, I'd buy the 330 version, but yes, the Zotac boards are nice (so long as you ONLY want to use VDPAU) |
| [02:41:07] | Wicked: | yea iamlindoro? why do you say that? |
| [02:41:26] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt have the power for anything HD |
| [02:41:31] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: to be perfectly honest, I'm not actually sure what the point of the second core actually is, I'm thinking my box won't ever really need it |
| [02:41:38] | iamlindoro: | Because the 230 is a single core atom and the 330 is a dual core, and that CPU .. yeah, what wagnerrp said |
| [02:41:40] | j-rod: | wagnerrp: horsefeathers. |
| [02:41:51] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, IMHO it's a tiny bit of future proofing for ffmpeg-mt |
| [02:42:01] | j-rod: | mine plays back mpeg2 hdtv just fine w/o vdpau |
| [02:42:01] | Wicked: | ah |
| [02:42:04] | nighthawk: | whats a good alternative ir receiver if I can't get this ftdi thing working? |
| [02:42:15] | j-rod: | nighthawk: mce usb |
| [02:42:33] | wagnerrp: | j-rod: what bitrate? i cant believe the atom can do more than ~15mbps mpeg2 per core |
| [02:42:37] | j-rod: | nighthawk: I'll loan ya one ;) |
| [02:42:38] | nighthawk: | isn't mce non rc5? |
| [02:43:02] | j-rod: | it'll handle just about every ir proto under the sun |
| [02:43:08] | j-rod: | including rc5 and rc6 |
| [02:43:23] | Wicked: | ah yea the 330 does look nicer! |
| [02:43:31] | j-rod: | wagnerrp: um, whatever bitrate the stuff recorded at from the mpeg2 transport stream on my cable feed? |
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| [02:45:21] | j-rod: | 8.1GB/hr 1080i mpeg2 file plays perfectly fine |
| [02:45:55] | j-rod: | ~19Mbps |
| [02:46:05] | wagnerrp: | ~18.4mbps |
| [02:46:15] | wagnerrp: | still, far more than i thought that chip could do |
| [02:46:16] | j-rod: | I rounded up |
| [02:46:36] | j-rod: | my main hdtv playback system for some time was a 1.66 core duo w/gma950 graphics |
| [02:46:54] | j-rod: | so I never doubted a dual-core atom w/nvidia graphics could do just fine even w/o vdpau |
| [02:47:21] | wagnerrp: | a 1.66 Core is vastly more powerful than a 1.6 Atom |
| [02:47:26] | iamlindoro: | A 1.66 C2D is a heck of a lot better than a Atom :0 |
| [02:47:26] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [02:47:40] | j-rod: | not c2. just c. |
| [02:47:41] | wagnerrp: | not a C2D, just a CD |
| [02:47:46] | nighthawk: | http://amzn.com/B00224ZDFY this mce is only 14$ w/amz shipping, looks like it might do the trick, and gives me yet another spare remote |
| [02:48:02] | wagnerrp: | a 1.66 CD is about the power of a 1.3–1.4 C2D |
| [02:48:17] | j-rod: | nighthawk: do not want |
| [02:48:22] | iamlindoro: | Anecdotally, I set up a couple of ION systems a few weeks ago and had some issues w/ ATSC, though I didn't spend more than 10 minutes trying to fix them before going w/ VDPAU |
| [02:48:27] | j-rod: | that's not an actual mceusb receiver there |
| [02:48:33] | nighthawk: | no? |
| [02:48:34] | j-rod: | its some thingy that might show up as an hid device |
| [02:48:41] | wagnerrp: | a 1.6 Atom is closer to a 0.8–1.0 C2D |
| [02:48:43] | nighthawk: | argh |
| [02:48:46] | j-rod: | (best as I can tell from the pic) |
| [02:48:51] | iamlindoro: | The "Anyware" MCE remote on neweg for $20 is a real MCE |
| [02:49:02] | iamlindoro: | set up a bunch 'o those lately |
| [02:49:06] | wagnerrp: | ive got a pair of them, they work just fine |
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| [02:49:25] | wagnerrp: | just make sure you get the full unit (with two ports for blasters), rather than just the receiver |
| [02:49:27] | j-rod: | nighthawk: the $22 combo listed lower down in the 'other bought' would be fine though |
| [02:49:34] | wagnerrp: | theres two different versions last time i checked |
| [02:50:05] | j-rod: | (I think) |
| [02:50:25] | nighthawk: | remote control has been one of the biggest hassles in my htpc build so far :-P |
| [02:50:40] | j-rod: | I think I have about 20 receivers and remotes now... |
| [02:50:48] | nighthawk: | up there with xvideo tearing at low refresh rates |
| [02:51:01] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, Heh, I don't have 20, but I surely have over 10, many still in packages :) |
| [02:51:14] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, After the first couple you just start throwing them on the stack, hehe |
| [02:51:32] | nighthawk: | 22$ + 8.5 shipping, think I'll go with newegg... |
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| [02:51:43] | j-rod: | well, I use most of mine for debugging their drivers :) |
| [02:52:55] | nighthawk: | anyware GP-IR01BK a good choice? |
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| [02:53:04] | j-rod: | that one should do |
| [02:53:16] | j-rod: | I recognize the model # anyway |
| [02:53:34] | j-rod: | but back to the atom and hdtv w/o vdpau... |
| [02:53:39] | nighthawk: | nice reviews: "Other Thoughts: Dropped it 14+ times already on hard floor because I am challenged. Still works mint." |
| [02:54:29] | j-rod: | I used to use a single-core athlon 64 3500+ with a geforce 6200, and w/the nvidia blob, cpu usage barely ever went over 30%, and the cpu stayed clocked down to 1.0GHz most of the time |
| [02:54:41] | j-rod: | oh, but I forget... |
| [02:54:53] | j-rod: | some of you suckas have to run a deint filter. :) |
| [02:55:00] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [02:55:05] | wagnerrp: | well was that with xvmc? |
| [02:55:06] | iamlindoro: | another place where dual cores now helps :) |
| [02:55:11] | iamlindoro: | (thanks to Mark) |
| [02:55:30] | j-rod: | wagnerrp: hell no, xvmc never did shit when I tinkered with it but crash and burn. :) |
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| [02:55:37] | wagnerrp: | i know my 3200+ runs a lot hotter than 30% |
| [02:55:53] | ** j-rod just has the magic touch ** | |
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| [02:57:00] | Wicked: | hmm i was looking to get a new remote also...but none of those anywhere mce remotes seem to have a blaster. |
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| [03:18:01] | RegressLess: | New user for Ubuntu 9.04 wanting to install MythTV for the first time. How do I see if my tv tuner is recognized? |
| [03:18:14] | wagnerrp: | analog or digital? |
| [03:18:21] | RegressLess: | hybrid |
| [03:18:24] | dec_ is now known as dec | |
| [03:18:29] | iamlindoro: | which card |
| [03:18:32] | wagnerrp: | analog will be /dev/video0 |
| [03:18:40] | wagnerrp: | digital will be /dev/dvb/adaptor0 |
| [03:19:03] | RegressLess: | hauppauge wintv-hvr 850 usb hdtv adapter |
| [03:19:15] | iamlindoro: | think you mean 950? |
| [03:19:26] | RegressLess: | box says 850 |
| [03:19:33] | iamlindoro: | Weird |
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| [03:19:56] | iamlindoro: | Heh, the title of the Hauppauge HVR-850 page says HVR-950 |
| [03:20:00] | iamlindoro: | http://hauppauge.com/site/products/data_hvr850.html |
| [03:20:36] | iamlindoro: | anyhoo, as wagnerrp mentions... though that's a nasty framegrabber on the analog side, so avoid that like the plague |
| [03:20:57] | wagnerrp: | did the 950 get renamed to the 850, to avoid confusion between the 950 and the 950Q? |
| [03:21:17] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky would know |
| [03:21:19] | wagnerrp: | RegressLess: that tuner is only good for ATSC broadcasts |
| [03:21:33] | iamlindoro: | yeah, as in, not cable |
| [03:21:33] | wagnerrp: | i wouldnt bother with analog tuning/capture |
| [03:21:40] | wagnerrp: | and it is not capable of digital cable (QAM) |
| [03:22:04] | RegressLess: | I'm doing broadcast digital only--in the USA |
| [03:22:20] | wagnerrp: | that stick should do fine then |
| [03:22:30] | RegressLess: | no more analog here |
| [03:22:31] | wagnerrp: | assuming its supported by v4l-dvb |
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| [03:22:42] | wagnerrp: | check linuxtv.org to see if it is supported |
| [03:23:31] | heyheyhey: | i get this on mythvideo with internal player NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! |
| [03:23:50] | heyheyhey: | then video speeds up 10x |
| [03:24:54] | RegressLess: | Anyone feel like setting this up for me? :P |
| [03:25:10] | kormoc: | heyheyhey: turn off the warp video to keep time with audio setting? |
| [03:25:18] | iamlindoro: | RegressLess, for a thousand bucks or so |
| [03:25:44] | RegressLess: | I'm poor and linux illiterate. |
| [03:25:55] | kormoc: | Sucks to be you |
| [03:25:58] | iamlindoro: | Then Myth may not be the ideal option :) |
| [03:26:08] | RegressLess: | there is no ideal option |
| [03:26:14] | iamlindoro: | or you can learn as you go... but expect to pay someone if you want them to do it for you and be competent :) |
| [03:26:36] | kormoc: | and if you don't want to be a part of someone's bot net |
| [03:26:37] | wagnerrp: | setting up any non-off-the-shelf-DVR is going to take time or money on your part |
| [03:26:51] | iamlindoro: | and usually both |
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| [03:27:23] | wagnerrp: | and myth has a fairly steep learning curve |
| [03:27:45] | RegressLess: | You have no idea the struggle I've been through in the last week trying to find a program that's user-friendly and free. |
| [03:27:58] | heyheyhey: | were hell is warp video |
| [03:28:11] | Dagmar: | Well, if you'd read the documentation carefully, Myth would have been working in two days of that |
| [03:28:15] | wagnerrp: | i found gbpvr pretty simple last time i tried it several years ago |
| [03:28:34] | Dagmar: | So... congratulations on wasting tons of your time while trying to save some of it |
| [03:28:45] | RegressLess: | haven't tried myth yet |
| [03:29:17] | Dagmar: | Well, it's free, and it's user-friendly as anything that can handle dozens of encoders and setups is going to be |
| [03:29:47] | [James]: | Hi, I cant get mythtv to control my volume. Anyone know what I might be missing? |
| [03:30:06] | heyheyhey: | did u set keys |
| [03:30:06] | iamlindoro: | analog or digital out? |
| [03:30:10] | RegressLess: | It's up there in the ratings with beyondtv and that other one |
| [03:30:19] | RegressLess: | that's why I'm trying it |
| [03:30:25] | Dagmar: | [James]: Change the mixer device that's in the frontend setup menus to point at the right device |
| [03:30:27] | [James]: | Analog, and yes I can see the slider moving. Just no changes in sound |
| [03:30:35] | iamlindoro: | Then yes, it's what dagmar says |
| [03:30:41] | [James]: | Dagmar: ok thanks |
| [03:30:48] | Dagmar: | THere's not many failure states for that problem |
| [03:31:19] | Dagmar: | BTW, if you were planning on using ALSA and you put /dev/dsp in as the sound device, you erred |
| [03:32:00] | [James]: | I wasnt planning on that since I dont even know what ALSA is :) |
| [03:32:13] | RegressLess: | "/dev/video" says permission denied |
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| [03:33:31] | jst_home: | anyone here have any idea what this might mean (from a frontend log): |
| [03:33:32] | Dagmar: | [James]: umm... the "right way" to handle sound under Linux currently? |
| [03:33:36] | jst_home: | DB Error (create_profile 3): |
| [03:33:42] | jst_home: | Driver error was [2/1210] |
| [03:34:00] | jst_home: | Query was: |
| [03:34:06] | jst_home: | INSERT INTO displayprofiles VALUES (?, ?, ?, ?) |
| [03:34:12] | jst_home: | Bindings were: |
| [03:34:14] | kormoc: | don't paste into here, use a pastebin |
| [03:34:16] | iamlindoro: | RegressLess, You're not supposed to run it like a command |
| [03:34:21] | jst_home: | good point |
| [03:34:25] | [James]: | Oh ok, I think I remember reading something about that. Sound is a pain in the but to set up in linux isnt it? |
| [03:34:31] | kormoc: | it's not a point, it's the channel law |
| [03:34:31] | Dagmar: | Not really |
| [03:34:51] | Dagmar: | Nowadays if you have the right modules compiled and your sound card isn't a relic from the 80's, it'll figure it out on it's own |
| [03:35:15] | Dagmar: | If you have a PCI sound card or an integrated sound chipset, it's basically all handled automatically now |
| [03:35:24] | Dagmar: | Eight years ago it was a bitch |
| [03:35:26] | Dagmar: | Not anymore |
| [03:35:31] | Dagmar: | Yay PCI identifiers |
| [03:36:07] | jst_home: | ok, here's the section of the log showing what I foolishly started to paste above: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/666826 |
| [03:36:22] | jst_home: | this is using trunk |
| [03:36:30] | [James]: | You said setting up the sound device is done through the front end? or through mythtv setup? |
| [03:36:31] | jst_home: | from a week ago or so |
| [03:37:42] | Dagmar: | Telling which sound device Myth should use is something you do in the frontend setup menus, yes |
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| [03:39:06] | [James]: | If im using onboard sound, do you have any idea which one I should use. Or is that something thats really different per machine? |
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| [03:39:50] | Dagmar: | It's always rather likely to be the same thign |
| [03:39:56] | Dagmar: | What that thing is is mentioned in the install documentation |
| [03:40:14] | Dagmar: | This WILL take ages if you attempt to just "figure it out" |
| [03:40:17] | [James]: | Ok, I missed that Ill look |
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| [03:44:58] | [James]: | oh crap |
| [03:45:36] | [James]: | I accidentally changed the password to get into my database in the setup. Now it cant log in. Is there a way to look it up? |
| [03:46:01] | kormoc: | no, but if you google for mysql reset password, there's plenty of solutions out there to reset it |
| [03:46:02] | Dagmar: | Not as easily as you can just set it to something else |
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| [03:48:05] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: ive come across one issue so far |
| [03:48:26] | [James]: | wow I just screwed my self. I have no idea about mysql and where mythtv has it |
| [03:48:35] | wagnerrp: | between IMDbPY 3.6 and 3.9, the output order of something changed |
| [03:49:20] | wagnerrp: | there was a divider of '::', and JYA's patch adds in code to choose the larger of the two (of plot or author), and assume that is the plot |
| [03:49:35] | iamlindoro: | ah |
| [03:49:51] | iamlindoro: | Don't suppose you're inclined to fix that bit? |
| [03:50:02] | wagnerrp: | now [21052] (#6474) made some change to ignore very small plots |
| [03:50:06] | wagnerrp: | plots less than a couple words |
| [03:50:19] | iamlindoro: | any way to just query the version and act accordingly? |
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| [03:50:44] | wagnerrp: | feasibly, plots smaller than a couple words could be shorter than the author name |
| [03:50:51] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [03:51:02] | wagnerrp: | anyway, ill have to find IMDbPY, and see if i can query the version |
| [03:51:18] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if its an imdb thing, or a third party module |
| [03:51:44] | iamlindoro: | think it lives on SourceForge |
| [03:52:02] | wagnerrp: | looks like theyre up to 4.1 now |
| [03:52:03] | iamlindoro: | Well, don't drive yourself nuts over it, I'd just like to close the ticket, and if possible commit the fix |
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| [03:56:37] | [James]: | Ah. I didnt actually change the database password, just the password used by the backend to log in. Does anyone remember the default password for the mythconverg database? |
| [03:56:51] | kormoc: | myth or mythtv |
| [03:58:06] | [James]: | mythtv user |
| [03:58:16] | kormoc: | then mythtv password is the default |
| [03:58:24] | kormoc: | or rather, the default password is mythtv |
| [03:59:06] | [James]: | ah I found where the password is installed. Now I just have to figure out how to navigate to that txt file. :) I hate having to learn how to use a computer again. |
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| [03:59:33] | iamlindoro: | cat /path/to/file |
| [03:59:44] | kormoc: | it's in ~/.mythtv/config.xml or ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [04:02:41] | wagnerrp: | oof... 5kbps off sourceforge |
| [04:03:50] | xris: | hmm, maybe I need dvb drivers in f11 for my hdhomerun to work... |
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| [04:04:52] | iamlindoro: | that would be odd |
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| [04:06:08] | wagnerrp: | well thats fantastic.... |
| [04:06:26] | wagnerrp: | in python, float('3.9') == 3.899999999999 |
| [04:06:49] | kormoc: | welcome to floating point numbers |
| [04:07:07] | wagnerrp: | well sure, in compiled languages |
| [04:07:16] | kormoc: | in ruby, php, perl... |
| [04:07:17] | wagnerrp: | but scripted languages are usually more exact than that |
| [04:07:32] | wagnerrp: | oh? |
| [04:07:51] | kormoc: | I think so, they're mostly all 16 bit floating points |
| [04:08:06] | iamlindoro: | Bah, no use adding a browse by rating since TMDB doesn't give back any |
| [04:08:28] | wagnerrp: | i suppose the only time ive ever used floats in scripting languages are ones languages designed for math |
| [04:08:31] | wagnerrp: | like matlab |
| [04:10:24] | [James]: | If mythtv is saying NoUnP backends found, what does that mean? |
| [04:10:40] | wagnerrp: | it means the backend is not running |
| [04:10:52] | wagnerrp: | or the backend is set to use localhost, so upnp is deactivated |
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| [04:11:34] | [James]: | omg this is annoying. I guess Im just going to reinstall it. I really screwed it up some how. |
| [04:11:45] | wagnerrp: | it's assumed that a frontend and backend on the same machine will run under the same user, and so the database access files should already be in place |
| [04:12:17] | [James]: | so its saying that since it cant log in to the database file right? |
| [04:12:34] | wagnerrp: | its saying that because it cannot find the 'config.xml' |
| [04:12:50] | wagnerrp: | and either the backend is not running, or it is listening on 127.0.0.1 |
| [04:14:32] | kormoc: | reinstalling is a bit much |
| [04:15:22] | [James]: | well Im completely new to everything linux. So Im really stuck |
| [04:15:55] | kormoc: | sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend status |
| [04:16:00] | kormoc: | is it running or not running? |
| [04:17:30] | [James]: | it just says command not found |
| [04:17:42] | kormoc: | what distro? |
| [04:17:49] | [James]: | mythbuntu |
| [04:18:03] | ** kormoc eyes the buntu users ** | |
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| [04:20:12] | wagnerrp: | /etc/init.d/mythbackend not found? or sudo not found? |
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| [04:22:01] | [James]: | sudo /etc/init.d/mythbackend: command not found |
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| [04:25:28] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-backend |
| [04:25:38] | iamlindoro: | /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart |
| [04:25:45] | kormoc: | there ya go |
| [04:27:43] | [James]: | it says it restarted ok. but then when I start the front end up it says No UPnP backends found |
| [04:29:48] | iamlindoro: | tail -200 /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [04:29:52] | iamlindoro: | and pasteBIN |
| [04:29:56] | iamlindoro: | which means not into the channel |
| [04:30:07] | [James]: | is that sudo tail...? |
| [04:30:26] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [04:30:38] | iamlindoro: | don't add sudo to commands if you don't know what sudo does :) |
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| [04:32:53] | [James]: | http://pastebin.ca/1527540 |
| [04:33:02] | [James]: | haha ill remember that |
| [04:33:30] | iamlindoro: | so yeah, that indicates your backend is not running because it cannot access the DB |
| [04:33:46] | kormoc: | you only changed the user to the correct one in one file, not all of them |
| [04:34:24] | [James]: | ok |
| [04:34:55] | [James]: | whats the other place I need to change it |
| [04:35:06] | iamlindoro: | /home/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml and mysql.txt are likely culprits |
| [04:35:23] | iamlindoro: | but I'd test that you can connect to the DB with the password you think is right |
| [04:35:31] | iamlindoro: | mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg |
| [04:35:38] | iamlindoro: | when prompted, enter the password you think it is |
| [04:35:45] | iamlindoro: | if it let's you in, you're right. |
| [04:35:49] | iamlindoro: | If it doesn't, you're wrong. |
| [04:36:31] | wagnerrp: | what is the videometadata category field? |
| [04:36:34] | [James]: | I think it generated a random one |
| [04:36:47] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, videometadata.category |
| [04:37:11] | wagnerrp: | right, but what is its purpose? |
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| [04:38:17] | iamlindoro: | Dunno, really, don't sue it |
| [04:38:18] | wagnerrp: | specifically, why are there both a category field and a genres table |
| [04:38:19] | iamlindoro: | er use |
| [04:38:42] | iamlindoro: | I guess some people like to, though, I often ask myself the same question |
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| [04:39:35] | [James]: | Ok, well is there a fast way to change the username and password. Like open a txt file and change it? |
| [04:40:08] | lwizardl: | anyone here use a bud (big ugly dish) 10ft satellite dish ? |
| [04:40:41] | iamlindoro: | [James], It wouldn't be a very useful username and password if it was sitting in a text file |
| [04:41:11] | [James]: | haha it would for me. Ok thanks for your help guys. |
| [04:41:18] | iamlindoro: | IF you know what it is, you can change the values in the myth config files... but if you don't, off to #ubuntu-mythtv with you for their help, as I have no idea how to un-kludge that |
| [04:42:01] | [James]: | haha I knew I screwed myself. Thanks anyway |
| [04:42:14] | iamlindoro: | It's probably a fairly simple fix, you are unlikely to be that screwed |
| [04:42:22] | iamlindoro: | IMO reinstalling would be retarded |
| [04:42:44] | iamlindoro: | When there's likely some command, like, say... sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common |
| [04:42:51] | iamlindoro: | that might very well let you reset the password |
| [04:43:00] | [James]: | yeah, but I havnt had a question answered yet over at ubuntu-mythtv |
| [04:43:18] | iamlindoro: | or, possibly... |
| [04:43:27] | iamlindoro: | sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database |
| [04:43:57] | iamlindoro: | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-580710.html |
| [04:44:03] | iamlindoro: | As four seconds of googling would have me believe |
| [04:45:36] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro: do you use satellite? |
| [04:45:45] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, no |
| [04:46:06] | lwizardl: | k trying to find someone that get cband and kuband |
| [04:46:49] | [James]: | Ok, he says he deleted 2 files. and it reset stuff. So lets see if I can do it |
| [04:47:59] | iamlindoro: | he deleted two files *and* reconfigured the right packages |
| [04:48:03] | iamlindoro: | don't skim, read |
| [04:48:43] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Does your patch make it commitworthy in your opinion? |
| [04:48:49] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: the poster download issue not withstanding, #6219 looks fine |
| [04:49:08] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Thank you very much for looking at it |
| [04:50:01] | wagnerrp: | short of downloading shy of a GB of database files and actually running it, it all looks like it should work |
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| [04:50:29] | android6011: | it doesnt say yes or no if this card is supported in the wiki http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MSI_TV%40nywhere_A/D |
| [04:50:53] | wagnerrp: | yes it does |
| [04:51:22] | android6011: | heh ya it does. woops :/ |
| [04:51:33] | [James]: | iamlindoro: I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU A BIG FAT KISS!!! I know Im a pain in the a**, but I love you now! |
| [04:52:03] | iamlindoro: | [James], heh |
| [04:52:04] | Shadow__X: | fatal attract what now |
| [04:52:21] | wagnerrp: | next thing you know, hes cooking your pet skunk |
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| [05:14:00] | wagnerrp: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW2qxFkcLM0 |
| [05:14:32] | android6011: | how can i tell if a card has a hardware encoder |
| [05:15:09] | wagnerrp: | what is the card? |
| [05:15:24] | android6011: | wintv-radio 401 hauppauge |
| [05:15:29] | android6011: | im thinking no |
| [05:15:30] | iamlindoro: | then no, it doesn't |
| [05:15:37] | android6011: | if it has a bt* chipset its not hardware right? |
| [05:15:44] | android6011: | only the conextant |
| [05:15:46] | iamlindoro: | correct |
| [05:15:47] | wagnerrp: | no encoder, framegrabber only |
| [05:15:48] | android6011: | and a few others? |
| [05:15:54] | android6011: | ok |
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| [05:22:13] | jya: | iamlindoro: regarde 6219... Read some of your comments on IRC... That patch, started as a bugfix.. But I ended up rewriting a lot... |
| [05:22:35] | jya: | didn't bother doing it as a new ticket |
| [05:22:55] | iamlindoro: | jya, I don't have any expertise in Python so I just deferred to wagnerrp, I trusted that most of it was fine, just wanted an informed eye to look at it first |
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| [05:23:42] | wagnerrp: | the only thing i saw a problem with was the possibility of a plot shorter than the author name |
| [05:23:49] | jya: | I see that he's actually testing the IMDB version, which is a cleaner approach. I didn't know how to test the imdb version, which is one I did it that way previously (looking at the longest field) |
| [05:24:15] | iamlindoro: | I figured, and also assumed that since the rest went in you wouldn't mind the small fix |
| [05:24:18] | jya: | Actually, I have a version at home, that gets the best plot... based on the longest one |
| [05:24:37] | kormoc: | I could have sworn I committed something related to that recently |
| [05:24:54] | jya: | Question though: wagnerrp, why did you remove some of the help? (not that I ever used those features) |
| [05:24:54] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: your changeset was to ignore plots shorter than 5 words |
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| [05:25:07] | kormoc: | ahh, that'd be it |
| [05:25:09] | wagnerrp: | some of the help? |
| [05:25:23] | wagnerrp: | the only other thing i changed was a couple of the comments |
| [05:25:41] | wagnerrp: | you copied and pasted a bit of code (including the comments) |
| [05:26:04] | jya: | I only did a diff of the diff (on track)... line 848, you removed some |
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| [05:26:48] | jya: | hum.. maybe it's just the way the patch is setup |
| [05:27:12] | jya: | yeah, I had a tab in the text.. forget my comment then... |
| [05:27:37] | wagnerrp: | oh, yeah |
| [05:27:47] | wagnerrp: | couldnt figure out what that tab was for, assumed it was just a mistake |
| [05:28:07] | jya: | it was, just like the use of countries vs category, too much copy/paste |
| [05:28:23] | Shadow__X: | does anyone else want to put sunrise earth as a background? |
| [05:28:38] | kormoc: | So a change of a tab shows as a delete on your diff? that's a broken diff... |
| [05:29:02] | jya: | oh, well.. glad all my python patches made their way to trunk... What am I going to do if I can't build my own mythtv now :( |
| [05:29:34] | Shadow__X: | peek into a window of someone who does |
| [05:29:52] | kormoc: | jya: xbmc is always looking for devs |
| [05:30:42] | jya: | kormoc: no no .. because I made a modification in my patch, not necessary, it added a lot of context for that change... |
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| [05:31:42] | jya: | so when doing diff on the patch files, it showed up. |
| [05:31:47] | jya: | kormoc: why would I care about xbmc? not using it (and no I'm ignoring the not so subtle underlying message) |
| [05:33:13] | kormoc: | you're the one who said you can't build myth anymore |
| [05:33:15] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [05:33:18] | dibbz: | does the .22 frontend talk happily with the .21 backend? |
| [05:33:26] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:33:27] | kormoc: | dibbz: negative |
| [05:33:32] | dibbz: | ta |
| [05:33:49] | wagnerrp: | you should always run mythtv of the same revision |
| [05:33:55] | jya: | I was referring to spending lots of time building a custom build of myth with patches... most of them aren't necessary anymore |
| [05:34:06] | wagnerrp: | but anything of a different protocol version will outright refuse to work |
| [05:34:13] | dibbz: | yeh the cccam patch would be nice :) |
| [05:34:25] | wagnerrp: | trunk is currently a couple protocol revisions beyond 0.21 fixes |
| [05:34:27] | dibbz: | now cccam is happy with my iredto card |
| [05:34:44] | ** iamlindoro wonders if he wants to know what cccam is ** | |
| [05:34:45] | wagnerrp: | and a dozen or so schema versions beyond |
| [05:34:55] | dibbz: | card server for sat decoders |
| [05:35:02] | iamlindoro: | yep, didn't want to know |
| [05:35:11] | iamlindoro: | card sharing/serving talk is off-limits here |
| [05:35:12] | wagnerrp: | competitive chear coaches association of michigan |
| [05:35:19] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, haha, I saw that too |
| [05:35:38] | kormoc: | dibbz: and another mention it's a ban |
| [05:35:42] | dibbz: | using my legit iredto card in my myth box is perfectly legit |
| [05:35:58] | iamlindoro: | dibbz, Whether you consider it legit or not, it's not to be talked about *here* |
| [05:36:16] | kormoc: | nor in other official myth channels |
| [05:36:20] | jya: | thinking about webcam.. Is there a camera solution that could be used with myth which appears just as a tuner ? |
| [05:36:33] | ** iamlindoro asplodes a few more feature requests on the wiki ** | |
| [05:36:43] | kormoc: | any number of v4l supported cams will |
| [05:37:08] | clever: | kormoc: last time i added a v4l based usb webcam as a tuner, it went horidly wrong |
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| [05:37:19] | kormoc: | doesn't surprise me |
| [05:37:25] | wagnerrp: | v4l1 framegrabbers should work fine |
| [05:37:25] | iamlindoro: | no comment |
| [05:37:35] | dibbz: | what the point of supporting dvb-s when you cant use it :) |
| [05:37:41] | wagnerrp: | but v4l2/uvd mjpeg cameras probably wouldnt work |
| [05:37:58] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah that sounds like my problem |
| [05:38:03] | iamlindoro: | dibbz, You can. Buy one tuner w/ a hardware CI, and get one CAM for each. But IMO you are pushing your luck here |
| [05:38:14] | ** kormoc eyes dibbz ** | |
| [05:38:14] | iamlindoro: | that or looking for a ban |
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| [05:38:45] | iamlindoro: | really, for serious, last time.. it's definitely not a topic up for discussion |
| [05:40:00] | dibbz: | i think explaining your position is a little diverged from teh topic anyway, i'm not trying to push my luck :) |
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| [06:03:24] | kormoc: | dibbz: it's not his position, it's channel law, as covered by the channel FAQ linked in the topic |
| [06:03:33] | kormoc: | That's all there is to it, no more |
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| [06:24:26] | [James]: | Ok, Im back guys |
| [06:24:29] | [James]: | sorry |
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| [06:26:10] | [James]: | I can get DVDs to play in VLC but not in Mythbuntu. Ive read its a common problem but cant find a solution. Anyone here know one? |
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| [06:33:33] | dibbz: | mm |
| [06:35:17] | cesman: | [James]: you need to define what you mean my "mythbuntu" |
| [06:35:32] | cesman: | [James]: mythtv will use whatever you tell it to use to play a DVD |
| [06:35:46] | [James]: | I meant mythtv |
| [06:35:57] | cesman: | as I don't know what mythbuntu uses as the default, I can only tell you to look at the Settings |
| [06:36:39] | cesman: | additionally, you maybe to install libdvdcss2 if you want to play encumbered DVDs |
| [06:36:54] | [James]: | yeah Ive installed that |
| [06:37:23] | cesman: | again, look at the settings to see what mythtv is trying to use for DVD playback |
| [06:37:37] | [James]: | in myth setup, or the front end? |
| [06:37:41] | cesman: | you can find other clues to the issue play looking at the frontend log |
| [06:37:45] | cesman: | frontend |
| [06:39:28] | [James]: | You dont have an iPhone do you? |
| [06:44:18] | [James]: | Well I cant find anything for DVD playback in the front end |
| [06:45:24] | cesman: | no, I don't have an iphone |
| [06:45:42] | cesman: | [James]: is mythvideo installed? |
| [06:46:02] | [James]: | how can I check. Im assuming no. |
| [06:46:05] | cesman: | mythvideo is the plugin responsible for video/dvd playback |
| [06:46:36] | cesman: | from the menu Media Library > Watch Videos |
| [06:47:26] | [James]: | synaptic shows its installed |
| [06:48:31] | cesman: | Do you see no Optical Disks from the menu? |
| [06:49:08] | [James]: | Yes I see Optical Disks on the menu |
| [06:49:20] | [James]: | But when I go to play DVD, it just flashes a black screen |
| [06:49:58] | cesman: | If you go into Utilities/Setup > Setup > Media Settings > Video Settings > Player Settings |
| [06:50:18] | cesman: | what do you see for DVD Player commands |
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| [06:51:33] | [James]: | 1 sec |
| [06:51:36] | [James]: | its locked up |
| [06:52:55] | [James]: | I dont know what I did, but there playing now |
| [06:53:35] | cesman: | enjoy |
| [06:53:51] | [James]: | but its real glitchy for some reason |
| [06:54:30] | cesman: | you'll need to define "glitchy" |
| [06:54:37] | [James]: | jumpy |
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| [06:55:07] | [James]: | play..... hang.... play.... hang... |
| [06:55:17] | cesman: | you can look at the logs and or see what it is using to playback DVDs (change it even) |
| [06:56:52] | ** cesman heads off to bed.... ** | |
| [06:56:53] | dibbz: | is the audio glitchy with the video? |
| [06:56:59] | cesman: | upload ISO upload! |
| [06:57:05] | [James]: | yes they both hang |
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| [06:58:35] | [James]: | It plays for a while |
| [06:58:39] | [James]: | Its good at the beginning |
| [06:58:53] | [James]: | then progresivly gets worse on the hanging then just freezes |
| [06:59:06] | [James]: | I can film it real quick and upload to youtube. You want to see it? |
| [06:59:37] | cesman: | LOL |
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| [07:04:17] | [James]: | http://pastebin.com/d59ec87f0 |
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| [07:04:34] | [James]: | theres the log output from mythtv |
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| [07:06:29] | levander: | I'm running mythtv 0.21 on Ubuntu Gutsy 32-bit. I want to upgrade to the latest version of 64-bit Ubuntu, which also runs mythtv 0.21.xxx. |
| [07:07:03] | levander: | To migrate to the new version of Ubuntu, is all I have to do is back-up the database on the old install, then restore it on the new install and point myth at the partition where my recordings are? |
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| [07:10:56] | jya: | if you backup your database and leave everything else untouched... all you would have to do is restore the database |
| [07:11:10] | jya: | everything else would work the same, no need to refiddle with everything |
| [07:11:47] | jya: | you may want to do the upgrade one revision at a time, rather than gutsy->jaunty |
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| [07:13:47] | [James]: | Can you watch tv while ripping a dvd? |
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| [07:28:35] | [James]: | Ive got schedules direct setup but no guide information and no channel names. Any ideas? |
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| [10:08:05] | gbee: | [James]: yes, just start the DVD ripping then exit the ripping screen and watch tv, it will continue ripping in the background |
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| [10:11:41] | eidoslinux: | can someone help me with some problems with mythtv and kworld 120 under ubuntu 9.04 |
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| [10:51:05] | AndyCap: | aw damnit. seems the linux inteldrivers have the same problem as windows with hdmi sound. |
| [10:51:46] | ** laga_ svn up ** | |
| [10:52:13] | janneg: | Skipped '.' |
| [10:52:38] | laga_: | Updated to revision 21247. |
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| [11:57:42] | gbee: | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/12/realn . . . ion_realdvd/ |
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| [12:21:12] | juski: | oh god my patches are starting to get a little out of control |
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| [12:34:58] | gbee: | juski: yeah, quilt if you can so that patches don't get too big and different features are kept in separate patches |
| [12:35:46] | gbee: | of course I can't follow my own advice, I've got patches where three or four different/unrelated changes are mashed up together :/ |
| [12:36:01] | jduggan: | heh |
| [12:38:08] | gbee: | here's where I mangle my video tables testing out iamlindoro's delete stuff :/ |
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| [12:39:17] | juski: | mysqldump mythtvconverg.video* > backup ;-) |
| [12:41:03] | juski: | quilt eh, another new thing to learn |
| [12:41:26] | juski: | I've always put it off, thinking nah, I won't get myself into a position where I'm dicking around with lots of code |
| [12:41:50] | laga_: | <3 quilt |
| [12:42:14] | gbee: | never used it, never did see how it would solve all my problems since patches have to apply in sequence A > B > C |
| [12:42:34] | laga_: | yeah, you got to make sure it's the right tool for the job :) |
| [12:42:35] | gbee: | if I want to commit C but no A + B then quilt doesn't help |
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| [12:42:59] | juski: | thankfully nothing's so complex yet I have to worry too much |
| [12:43:12] | laga_: | well, some patches do not depend on others |
| [12:43:37] | gbee: | plus it seemed more complicated than I'd have liked, but maybe once you have the hang of using it you just don't notice |
| [12:43:46] | juski: | gbee: positive thing about doing the rotates in the painters themselves – they won't screw up your threading work |
| [12:43:48] | laga_: | mkdir dev |
| [12:43:50] | laga_: | damn |
| [12:45:04] | juski: | I'll keep my patches so far though, they'll come in handy to refer to for the stuff being left in mythimage but done in !all painters |
| [12:46:17] | juski: | if this goes in I'll add notes in the wiki for themers to pay attention to the drawing area updates ;) |
| [12:47:25] | laga_: | for the love of god. i'm using virtualbox seamless mode and it always looks like the wrong window has focus |
| [12:47:28] | gbee: | iamlindoro: here's one for you, mythvideo doesn't recognise the m2t extension by default |
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| [12:52:28] | juski: | heh. iPhone soap: http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=29241776 |
| [12:53:21] | Shadow__X: | laga_: did you learn to keep one window open from the vm |
| [12:54:02] | laga_: | Shadow__X: hm? no, one window inside the VM has focus and one outside the VM has focus, so i keep typing into the wrong one |
| [12:55:35] | Shadow__X: | laga_: ah ok, but i meant if you do not have an open windows from the vm while in seamless mode you get video glitches |
| [12:55:46] | laga_: | interesting |
| [12:56:55] | Shadow__X: | or at least that was the behavior i was having in vbox 2.X.X |
| [12:58:38] | AndyCap: | hmm, anyone here use hdmi audio who'd care to paste the /proc/asound/[cardname]/codec#[hdminumber] ? just wondering if it's very different from http://fpaste.org/xnsa/ |
| [13:06:45] | juski: | damn. real work to do! |
| [13:07:12] | gbee: | juski: for the obsessive Apple fan who has personal hygiene issues? |
| [13:07:28] | CoreDump|cf-18 is now known as CoreDump | |
| [13:07:31] | laga_: | gbee: something in there was redundant |
| [13:07:43] | gbee: | heh |
| [13:09:31] | AndyCap: | unclean, unclean! |
| [13:10:06] | gbee: | AndyCap: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1527993 |
| [13:10:29] | gbee: | from my ATi hdmi and then from my nvidia hdmi |
| [13:11:04] | AndyCap: | gbee: thank you. |
| [13:11:05] | gbee: | only using the former right now, nvidia hdmi isn't currently connected to anything |
| [13:11:42] | gbee: | AndyCap: not working for you? |
| [13:12:10] | AndyCap: | gbee: partial success. :-) |
| [13:12:44] | AndyCap: | the ati is connected to a tv? |
| [13:12:50] | gbee: | AndyCap: yeah |
| [13:13:25] | AndyCap: | was trying to figure out if alsa and intel play nice with the denon receiver with regards to formats it supports. |
| [13:14:16] | laga_: | ls |
| [13:14:18] | laga_: | argh |
| [13:14:20] | AndyCap: | still I managed to play back dd and dts and speaker-test seems to work so I consider it somewhat successful. :) only got one or two channels with dolby digital sound though. |
| [13:14:37] | gbee: | setting up hdmi audio isn't quite plug and play, you've got the .asoundrc which resamples to 44.1khz and uses the right card/device, then most drivers default to muting the spdif for some reason |
| [13:14:38] | AndyCap: | so now to see how mythtv manages. |
| [13:14:56] | gbee: | I should improve the Digital sound howto in the wiki |
| [13:15:16] | juski: | heh somebody should |
| [13:15:20] | AndyCap: | hehe, didn't have any luck until I nabbed a few packages from the development repo of fedora. |
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| [13:16:01] | ** AndyCap is such a glutton for punishment. keeps coming back to intel. :) ** | |
| [13:18:19] | gbee: | "2009-08–13 14:17:49.264 impossible de supprimer le fichier" |
| [13:18:22] | gbee: | umm |
| [13:19:48] | AndyCap: | can't delete the file? |
| [13:20:54] | AndyCap: | I think I've forgotten any french I ever knew. |
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| [13:40:19] | d00gle: | Hi all, I still can't get DVB-S2 working with the latest patch from ticket #5882 |
| [13:41:06] | juski: | you don't really need DVB-S2 for anything. Stalegtite television has no future |
| [13:41:16] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Think that's a legacy message in metadata.cpp, usually means inadequate permissions to delete the file |
| [13:41:53] | iamlindoro: | gbee, MythVideo now has m2ts by default, you are actually using m2t? |
| [13:41:57] | d00gle: | well, untill I can get decent HD Content online, satellite is my only option :( |
| [13:43:30] | AndyCap: | I think you can get some indecent HD content. |
| [13:43:37] | juski: | there we go. suggestion for mythtv sponsorship. Get all the developers some new hardware so they can better test more features n stuff. And give the kernel devs some too |
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| [13:45:23] | AndyCap: | juski: is there a wishlist or something? |
| [13:45:51] | juski: | AndyCap: no, just commenting on xris' post on the -dev list |
| [13:46:45] | AndyCap: | oh. |
| [13:46:53] | juski: | I could use a VDPAU capable box so I can try & do rotating in vdpau painter :D |
| [13:47:10] | iamlindoro: | I'd like a pony |
| [13:47:30] | iamlindoro: | and a family of magical drawves to clean my house and tell me I'm pretty |
| [13:47:34] | iamlindoro: | er dwarves |
| [13:48:30] | AndyCap: | I'm pretty sure they outlawed that in the us a long time ago. |
| [13:49:35] | slayven: | I believe there's been an amendment to forbit the exploitation of magical dwarves. only regular ones are allowed to be used |
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| [13:50:32] | rascal999: | mythweb gives Database Access Denied |
| [13:50:32] | rascal999: | You are most likely receiving this message because you |
| [13:50:32] | rascal999: | have failed to configure mythweb's database login info. |
| [13:50:32] | rascal999: | Please see INSTALL for instructions. |
| [13:50:41] | juski: | and? |
| [13:50:45] | rascal999: | how do i fix? |
| [13:50:52] | juski: | Please see INSTALL for instructions. |
| [13:51:07] | rascal999: | done, i've thrown mythweb.conf everywhere |
| [13:51:23] | wagnerrp: | have you edited mythweb.conf so it uses the proper mysql credentials? |
| [13:51:24] | rascal999: | conf.d mods-enabled, had it in /var/www/mythweb too |
| [13:51:29] | rascal999: | yeah |
| [13:51:50] | juski: | after putting mythweb.conf in the right place it needs a restart of apache to take effect |
| [13:51:54] | wagnerrp: | have you granted access to the credentials in mysql? |
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| [13:51:56] | rascal999: | yeah done |
| [13:52:09] | rascal999: | wagnerrp, lets see |
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| [13:52:22] | rascal999: | yeah |
| [13:52:24] | wagnerrp: | is it on the same machine as the backend? |
| [13:52:27] | rascal999: | it works in conjunction wit mythtv |
| [13:52:28] | juski: | AFAIK if mythbackend is bound to 127.0.0.1 it won't work either |
| [13:52:29] | rascal999: | yeah |
| [13:52:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, 127 thing |
| [13:52:46] | rascal999: | i've tride 192.168.0.254 and localhost |
| [13:52:52] | rascal999: | i should try 127.0.0.1? |
| [13:52:55] | juski: | don't put hostnames in there |
| [13:53:05] | juski: | I know it *says* hostnames.. |
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| [13:53:09] | wagnerrp: | although even with 127.0.0.1, i dont see why it wouldnt work |
| [13:53:16] | wagnerrp: | juski: actually it said IPs |
| [13:53:18] | rascal999: | i'll try 127 then |
| [13:53:36] | wagnerrp: | use a resolvable ip, not 127 |
| [13:53:44] | rascal999: | 192 then? |
| [13:53:50] | wagnerrp: | using 127 shuts down a lot of stuff |
| [13:54:01] | rascal999: | oh ok |
| [13:56:03] | rascal999: | still no worky |
| [13:56:15] | rascal999: | i'm editing /var/www/mythweb/mythweb.conf atm |
| [13:56:17] | rascal999: | is that right? |
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| [13:56:56] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [13:57:03] | rascal999: | is there a way to find out which conf the script is using? |
| [13:57:39] | iamlindoro: | starting with something in the right directory would be helpful :) |
| [13:58:00] | iamlindoro: | /etc/apache2/sites-* |
| [13:58:29] | rascal999: | sites-enabled or available? |
| [13:58:44] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what that is |
| [13:58:57] | wagnerrp: | sounds like a distro setup thing |
| [13:59:23] | rascal999: | YAY |
| [13:59:28] | rascal999: | wagnerrp, legend |
| [13:59:36] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [14:00:02] | rascal999: | i was doing wrong config, sites-available contained the correct config |
| [14:00:09] | rascal999: | changed pass, and it works, so thanks |
| [14:00:16] | iamlindoro: | erm, yeah... good job wagnerrp ;) |
| [14:00:32] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [14:01:43] | ** iamlindoro grumbles about people reading who says what ** | |
| [14:02:32] | rascal999: | ok i downloaded some plugins, enabled them in mythbuntu control centre, but they're not popping up on frontend, am i missing a step? |
| [14:03:05] | iamlindoro: | Depends on where you expect to find them in the frontend |
| [14:03:10] | laga_: | rascal999: have you restarted the frontend? |
| [14:03:59] | rascal999: | laga_, yeah |
| [14:04:12] | rascal999: | i have looked in info centre, but only sys stats show |
| [14:04:46] | iamlindoro: | What lives where depends entirely on what you installed |
| [14:06:20] | rascal999: | myth-plugins, mythweb mythgames mythweather etc |
| [14:06:25] | rascal999: | neither have popped up |
| [14:06:36] | laga_: | mythgames is in media |
| [14:06:57] | rascal999: | okay i'll have a look |
| [14:07:12] | rascal999: | i only see media recordings |
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| [14:07:22] | iamlindoro: | Then you haven't installed the plugins |
| [14:07:25] | rascal999: | i did enable them on the c panel, so i don't get why its not working |
| [14:07:28] | rascal999: | oh |
| [14:07:34] | rascal999: | do i have to install them frontend too? |
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| [14:07:48] | laga_: | do you speak english? |
| [14:08:03] | rascal999: | i'll let you work that out |
| [14:08:16] | ** iamlindoro blinks ** | |
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| [14:17:05] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro: how are your 2tb green drives holding up |
| [14:17:16] | iamlindoro: | still going strong |
| [14:17:25] | Shadow__X: | great thats good to hear |
| [14:17:46] | Shadow__X: | are seagate drives to be trusted anymore |
| [14:18:02] | iamlindoro: | Meh, some people love them, I won't touch them |
| [14:18:19] | superdump: | i have a couple of samsungs that are fine |
| [14:18:36] | superdump: | 1tb |
| [14:19:16] | iamlindoro: | Heh, don't own any samsungs, but I definitely *didn't* return > 50 of those to the manufacturer last year like I did Samsung :) |
| [14:19:20] | iamlindoro: | er Seagate |
| [14:19:42] | superdump: | i guess you got hit by those bad batches |
| [14:19:47] | iamlindoro: | yeah :( |
| [14:20:14] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure they've cleared it up, just such a bad taste in my mouth that I've sworn off them for a while |
| [14:20:47] | jams: | understand..just like WD for me |
| [14:21:05] | Shadow__X: | yeah thats where i am i have 4 seagate 1tb drives that where made before the bad batches |
| [14:21:19] | iamlindoro: | Well, the bad batches were the first ones |
| [14:21:39] | iamlindoro: | so odds are they were made after |
| [14:21:45] | Shadow__X: | soon i need to add a bit more storage and am unsure what size/manafacturer will be stable |
| [14:21:50] | iamlindoro: | *shrug* whatever, as long as they work |
| [14:22:14] | Shadow__X: | weren't the bad batches 1.5tb drives |
| [14:22:21] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [14:22:32] | Shadow__X: | oh they where 1tb drives? |
| [14:22:49] | jams: | 2 |
| [14:22:49] | iamlindoro: | I literally returned > 50 1 TBs of 7200.1 and ES.2 drives from them |
| [14:23:05] | Shadow__X: | wow ok no more seagate for me |
| [14:23:18] | iamlindoro: | no, like I said, I'm sure they've cleared it up |
| [14:23:33] | iamlindoro: | for every story I can tell you about Seagate someone can offer an equivalent story about any manufacturer |
| [14:23:44] | Shadow__X: | right thats true |
| [14:23:50] | juski: | HDDs are crap :) |
| [14:23:51] | iamlindoro: | so just buy any product line that has been around for a few months |
| [14:25:01] | mzb: | afaik they had a strange firmwire issue where *some* drives *might* be affected by a firmware bug involving the drive locking itself when connected to a mobo sata port |
| [14:25:23] | Shadow__X: | yeah its just like everything the first line are kind of like beta products |
| [14:25:53] | iamlindoro: | mzb, This was 100% of drives I received in a single batch, and was a gradually increasing click of death until they physically destroyed their motors and wouldn't spin up |
| [14:25:56] | mzb: | I have 2x500GB (out of 3) and 1x1TB (out of 3) drives that were affected |
| [14:26:21] | mzb: | gee ... must be a different thing then ... I'll get back under my rock ;) |
| [14:26:54] | mzb: | (that being said, I think the sata ports died on the mobo I was using at the time) |
| [14:27:13] | iamlindoro: | I could have just seen a different issue |
| [14:28:47] | mzb: | there was new firmware released for the affected drives, but you had to catch it before they locked unless you made a TTL/serial converter |
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| [14:28:53] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, Does the Intel Mini contain the Broadcom accelerator? Or are you talking about a different acceleration? |
| [14:29:16] | mzb: | (I couldn't update the firmware from a PCI RocketRaid SATA controller) |
| [14:29:21] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: it doesn't included it, but there's nothing stopping you from putting it in there in place of the wifi card |
| [14:29:22] | juski: | according to HDD manufacturer people we've had in here at work, by the time a HDD hits the market it's already pretty old & well run-in. So they reckoned |
| [14:29:35] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, ah-hah... are they available aftermarket? |
| [14:29:39] | j-rod: | sort of |
| [14:29:51] | iamlindoro: | j-rod, Guess I'm thinking of the studio hybrid in my case |
| [14:30:04] | j-rod: | heh, ever cracked that thing open? |
| [14:30:10] | iamlindoro: | once |
| [14:30:18] | j-rod: | there's a mini pci-e socket in it with a marking under it that says "BD" |
| [14:30:21] | iamlindoro: | there is a mini-PCIe IIRC |
| [14:30:23] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [14:30:33] | j-rod: | its actually intended for that exact card |
| [14:30:41] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I knew they came w/ those broadcom card, I just didn't buy it with it :) |
| [14:30:53] | j-rod: | yeah, likewise |
| [14:30:55] | j-rod: | wish I had |
| [14:31:02] | j-rod: | but I picked one up off ebay |
| [14:31:07] | j-rod: | should be here soonish |
| [14:31:17] | j-rod: | and I should have a pcie x1 version of the card here today |
| [14:31:51] | j-rod: | scott actually has the mini pci-e card in a core duo 1.66 mac mini, and its no more than 25% busy playing back a HIGH bitrate 1080p clip (albeit under winders atm) |
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| [14:34:56] | iamlindoro: | slick! |
| [14:35:15] | iamlindoro: | what'd it cost you on ebay? |
| [14:36:07] | j-rod: | $42-ish, iirc |
| [14:36:22] | iamlindoro: | not bad |
| [14:36:24] | j-rod: | was looking at the hp mini 110... its a $30 addition to those |
| [14:38:59] | Shadow__X: | dell mini 10v can be had for a pretty cheap price |
| [14:41:13] | juski: | ruh? an expansion card for doing hd video decoding? |
| [14:42:36] | juski: | I guess so: http://bit.ly/E8yDI :-O |
| [14:42:41] | Shadow__X: | i believe that only works in windows |
| [14:42:48] | AndyCap: | sweep it under the rug, lest we end up with another PVR-350 |
| [14:42:49] | sid3windr: | bitly. |
| [14:42:56] | sid3windr: | what's with this bitly anyway |
| [14:43:13] | AndyCap: | sid3windr: it's the internets cunning plan for accelerating linkrot |
| [14:43:14] | juski: | saves you seeing mad long URLs |
| [14:43:28] | AndyCap: | tons of link shortening services for twa^Hits |
| [14:43:43] | juski: | if anybody is using them for static links.. umm.. fail :P |
| [14:44:29] | AndyCap: | and about 1 in 10000 understand that |
| [14:46:01] | AndyCap: | whee, they even advertise customs and excise fraud right on the page. :) |
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| [14:51:56] | juski: | doesn't seem like the BCM thing would be anything like as lame as a pvr350 |
| [14:52:01] | j-rod: | not sweeping under run |
| [14:52:02] | j-rod: | rug |
| [14:52:10] | j-rod: | and its most certainly not lame |
| [14:52:22] | j-rod: | video is still output via your normal video output path |
| [14:52:29] | juski: | yeah I was about to say :) |
| [14:52:34] | gbee: | svn really needs a way to exclude files from a commit/diff |
| [14:52:40] | j-rod: | but all the decoding is done by the bcm card instead of the cpu |
| [14:53:10] | AndyCap: | sure, but it won't be long before it's eclipsed by more general purpose hardware |
| [14:53:13] | juski: | j-rod: how's it cope with slightly glitchy recordings? |
| [14:53:24] | j-rod: | not sure yet |
| [14:53:29] | j-rod: | I have hardware arriving today |
| [14:53:45] | j-rod: | but supposedly, reasonably well |
| [14:53:53] | juski: | could be a good alternative to VDPAU |
| [14:54:05] | j-rod: | yup |
| [14:54:21] | juski: | good == if there's a stutter in the stream you don't have to reboot |
| [14:54:23] | j-rod: | esp. in cases where you can't replace your video card |
| [14:54:24] | juski: | ;) |
| [14:54:38] | laga_: | are there linux drivers? |
| [14:54:46] | ** j-rod whistles ** | |
| [14:54:55] | juski: | according to broadcom there are |
| [14:55:04] | laga_: | are there *open* linux drivers? |
| [14:55:22] | juski: | muh,open,closed.. I just want it to work well :) |
| [14:55:33] | juski: | it's a black box |
| [14:56:23] | juski: | but I guess if the drivers were OSS, it's one in the eye for nvidia again |
| [14:57:24] | juski: | ah but what about deinterlacing? can it do that too? if not, it's as much use as a chocolate teapot |
| [14:57:28] | laga_: | broadcom does not exactly have a reputation for being linux friendly, just saying' |
| [14:57:36] | d00gle: | Interesting, if I run scan-s2 before I do a channel scan it now finds the DVB-S2 transponders |
| [14:58:40] | j-rod: | juski: it just decodes the video, it doesn't handle outputting to the display |
| [14:58:52] | AndyCap: | heh, broadcom linux drivers, nananana, you can't have them, nananana. |
| [14:59:12] | juski: | it might've done deinterlacing as well, you never know |
| [14:59:38] | j-rod: | at least, as I understand it, it only decodes the video and hands back raw frames to be output by your video card |
| [15:00:01] | j-rod: | but with your cpu free from decode, you could use it for deint filtering |
| [15:00:48] | j-rod: | could also mix-n-match with vdpau |
| [15:00:58] | j-rod: | the possibilities are endless. or something. |
| [15:01:17] | juski: | anyway, it's another possible option. MOAROPTNS is good :) |
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| [15:02:00] | juski: | though I keep thinking that by the time I get around to investing in HD, even the cheapest gear on the market won't even break a sweat playing it |
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| [15:02:58] | juski: | ugh. protected media processing. Nah they'll nevah open that one |
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| [15:03:27] | j-rod: | firmware doesn't need to be open, just the interfaces to it... |
| [15:03:39] | AndyCap: | BCM70012 PCIe Controller and Security Processor. |
| [15:04:30] | AndyCap: | juski: it would depend on who is keeping the keys. |
| [15:05:03] | j-rod: | fwiw, I just bought 3 more of the mini pci-e variant on ebay. |
| [15:06:48] | AndyCap: | the block diagram shows a video post-processor without any mention of what kind of processing, apart from scaling |
| [15:07:05] | j-rod: | and none of the boxes they're going to go into are going to be running Windows much at all (only one of them occasionally) |
| [15:07:39] | j-rod: | doing the math on that is an exercise left to the reader |
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| [15:09:15] | AndyCap: | ooh, ooh, I know the answer. :) http://www.linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/20 . . . /030719.html |
| [15:10:17] | j-rod: | heh |
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| [15:27:26] | wagnerrp: | whats this about S3 cards supporting VDPAU? |
| [15:27:54] | juski: | apparently |
| [15:28:06] | juski: | the new Via stuff. God help us |
| [15:28:07] | sid3windr: | S3 cards?! :o |
| [15:28:16] | juski: | not cards as such |
| [15:28:19] | juski: | onboard video |
| [15:28:40] | janneg: | I think they support VAAPI and not vdpau |
| [15:28:46] | wagnerrp: | http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17972 |
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| [15:30:14] | wagnerrp: | so they support both VAAPI and VDPAU |
| [15:30:16] | juski: | jees. they DO make *cards* |
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| [15:31:21] | juski: | lol http://www.s3graphics.com/en/products/class3.aspx?productId=19 |
| [15:31:26] | ** iamlindoro savors his one chance this week to eat delicious, delicious cheese ** | |
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| [15:32:15] | wagnerrp: | man... i went to make a sandwich an hour ago |
| [15:32:30] | juski: | I want to go home, so I shall |
| [15:32:31] | wagnerrp: | i opened the bin that was supposed to be sliced ham |
| [15:32:37] | wagnerrp: | and its american cheese |
| [15:32:43] | wagnerrp: | i was disappointed |
| [15:32:58] | wagnerrp: | juski: what the hell is that thing? |
| [15:33:03] | wagnerrp: | ive never seen such a barren video card |
| [15:33:07] | juski: | that yellow synthetic plasticised stuff? |
| [15:33:18] | wagnerrp: | theres l some wires, four caps, and a fan |
| [15:33:18] | juski: | wagnerrp: that is an S3 video *card* |
| [15:33:21] | juski: | apparently |
| [15:33:46] | wagnerrp: | and is that a USB port? |
| [15:34:06] | juski: | Displayport |
| [15:34:07] | wagnerrp: | oh, must be displaypotyt |
| [15:34:09] | wagnerrp: | port |
| [15:34:11] | wagnerrp: | bleh |
| [15:34:26] | juski: | definitely homryuiopgsijz;imer |
| [15:34:32] | juski: | *hometime |
| [15:35:27] | wagnerrp: | what was the advantage of displayport? like the per-port licensing was significantly cheaper or something? |
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| [15:36:34] | gbee: | wagnerrp: free |
| [15:36:38] | gbee: | no license |
| [15:40:35] | Shadow__X: | hmm but they still get you when you buy display port to hdmi converter |
| [15:40:38] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [15:40:57] | wagnerrp: | not if your monitor supports displayport |
| [15:41:01] | wagnerrp: | i know dells have for some time now |
| [15:41:12] | Shadow__X: | yeah but non of my displays have it |
| [15:41:22] | wagnerrp: | well none of my displays have hdmi either |
| [15:41:35] | sid3windr: | well |
| [15:41:38] | sid3windr: | it's most connected, juski ! |
| [15:45:22] | Shadow__X: | some of my displays have hdmi also i couldn't find any information if displayport supports audio |
| [15:45:30] | laga_: | usuck |
| [15:45:32] | laga_: | narf |
| [15:45:37] | laga_: | wrong window |
| [15:46:07] | ** laga_ goes back to insulting people ** | |
| [15:46:22] | sid3windr: | Shadow__X: I assume it does |
| [15:46:45] | iamlindoro: | Pkunk! |
| [15:47:02] | Shadow__X: | rock! |
| [15:47:17] | XLV: | Shadow__X, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort here it says it does, but its optional |
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| [15:50:04] | Shadow__X: | ah ok thanks |
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| [15:53:59] | ** j-rod finds it amusing that he sends emails to the list, and all the interesting discussion about them happens over here... ** | |
| [15:54:19] | sid3windr: | :] |
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| [15:56:01] | j-rod: | VB8002 board looks interesting to play with |
| [15:56:10] | iamlindoro: | WTF is wrong with this Jarod Wilson guy? |
| [15:56:14] | iamlindoro: | What a loudmouth |
| [15:56:15] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [15:56:17] | j-rod: | quite a bit, actually |
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| [15:59:50] | iamlindoro: | Bah, hate it when people release nice HTPC all in ones and use intel IGPs |
| [16:00:23] | j-rod: | but, but, gma500! |
| [16:00:41] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [16:00:45] | sid3windr: | yeah |
| [16:00:48] | sid3windr: | it's like ALMOST a TNT2! |
| [16:00:58] | laga_: | and the drivers are almost working |
| [16:01:21] | sid3windr: | I was very surprised to see that their poulsbo shizzle still didn't have proper kernel/dri/drm/xorg/.. support. |
| [16:01:58] | j-rod: | the poulsbo crap is being worked on by a completely and totally different group within intel, iiuc |
| [16:02:15] | j-rod: | vs. their other graphics stuff w/actual open drivers and whatnot |
| [16:02:18] | iamlindoro: | A shame that for a company that is largely linux friendly their GPU stuf is such a shambles |
| [16:02:31] | sid3windr: | j-rod: yeah, and they suck. |
| [16:02:44] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [16:02:51] | j-rod: | if you say so |
| [16:03:00] | j-rod: | they work quite well here for what I need |
| [16:03:07] | sid3windr: | well, if they take this long to get a working driver, I feel they suck. :P |
| [16:03:19] | sid3windr: | you use poulsbo with linux? |
| [16:03:27] | j-rod: | sid3windr: wait, are you talking about the open stuff or the poulsbo? |
| [16:03:37] | j-rod: | ah, ok, poulsbo. |
| [16:03:40] | j-rod: | yeah. bonghits. |
| [16:03:41] | sid3windr: | yeh, poulsbo |
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| [16:04:02] | sid3windr: | I have a device with poulsbo and I'm currently on vesa |
| [16:04:09] | sid3windr: | can't even really find the poulsbo drivers |
| [16:04:12] | sid3windr: | :| |
| [16:04:22] | j-rod: | all kinds of Doing It Wrong, but they're kind of fucked, because of the licensing terms on the powervr core |
| [16:04:35] | Shadow__X: | the mini 10 has the gma 500 and they offer it with ubuntu |
| [16:04:39] | Shadow__X: | maybe they has da driver |
| [16:04:43] | j-rod: | there's a driver |
| [16:04:56] | j-rod: | its in the ubuntu netbook remix secret sauce repo |
| [16:05:03] | sid3windr: | I could only find a LOT of discussions on the mailinglists of the kernel |
| [16:05:07] | sid3windr: | saying it sucked and had a blob and whatnot |
| [16:05:11] | j-rod: | one of our guys has put together packages for Fedora 11 that actually work quite well, according to him |
| [16:05:22] | sid3windr: | and also from the intel team: yea, this is a temporary hack. actually, we're going to rewrite it totally differently" |
| [16:05:42] | sid3windr: | kernelteam: so fsck off with the current thing and get moving, we're not going to anything for you unless you get your act together |
| [16:05:45] | sid3windr: | \o/ |
| [16:06:26] | j-rod: | yeah, I know most of the intel-employed kernel guys, even they told their own people to kindly piss off with this crap |
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| [16:06:58] | ** iamlindoro wonders if everyone saw this so that they can STFU with that feature request already :) http://www.fecitfacta.com/genre.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/year.png http://www.fecitfacta.com/director.png ** | |
| [16:07:07] | sid3windr: | j-rod: do you know where that secret repo is? ;) |
| [16:07:55] | j-rod: | offhand, I don't recall |
| [16:08:58] | j-rod: | http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/08/10/intel . . . piz-support/ |
| [16:09:10] | sid3windr: | heh |
| [16:09:14] | sid3windr: | I was on that blog, but on http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/01/30/intel . . . ure-screwed/ ;) |
| [16:09:40] | j-rod: | ah, and back just a touch... |
| [16:09:51] | j-rod: | http://www.happyassassin.net/2009/08/10/pouls . . . king-on-f11/ includes a link to the ubuntu repo |
| [16:10:10] | j-rod: | http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mobile/ubuntu/pool/main/ |
| [16:10:14] | laga_: | i'm probably going to pick up a 22" TFT for my desktop tonight. any suggestions? already got a samsung 223BW, but they don't sell them anymore |
| [16:10:36] | sid3windr: | thanks, j-rod – this is most helpful! |
| [16:10:42] | iamlindoro: | laga_: I like the samsungs too, but since the ones I liked are EOL I have been buying Viewsonic here at work |
| [16:11:03] | laga_: | iamlindoro: i could get a iiyama, but it's pretty new and there haven't been any reviews it seems |
| [16:11:22] | iamlindoro: | Acer V223Ws too |
| [16:11:24] | janneg: | laga_: has samsung a similar model, maybe even if the same display? |
| [16:11:33] | iamlindoro: | Have a handful of those, they seem nice |
| [16:11:54] | ** gbee is probably a mug, but chose a pair of LGs ** | |
| [16:12:04] | laga_: | janneg: i'm not exactly sure. is there any way to tell if they have the same panel? mine has a 21.6" panel, so that sets it apart a bit |
| [16:12:47] | ** j-rod has triple viewsonic 1680x1050 displays in front of him. they work, but nothing particularly special about them. ** | |
| [16:13:19] | superdump: | why 22" and not 24" for 1920x1200? |
| [16:13:37] | laga_: | superdump: i already have one 22" |
| [16:13:39] | j-rod: | hanns-g 27" 1920x1200 display on special at newegg for $300 right now... |
| [16:13:39] | superdump: | cost i'm guessing |
| [16:13:55] | superdump: | ah |
| [16:14:02] | laga_: | and i know for a fact that having two screens with different DPI will make me dizzy :) |
| [16:14:10] | ** j-rod runs away to play some futbol ** | |
| [16:14:34] | superdump: | i was using my 32" 720p lcd tv but i've switched to a 19" widescreen because i'm going to move the system to a different room |
| [16:14:38] | Shadow__X: | i like my samsung toc |
| [16:15:09] | jams: | i wouldn't bother with the hans-g 28. price is attractive but the display doesn't perform so well. At least from the one I saw on display. |
| [16:15:35] | iamlindoro: | superdump: Yeah, I have my 32" 720p hooked up as one of the displays on my dev frontend, usually it's just myth sitting on it though |
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| [16:15:55] | iamlindoro: | kinda nice to work on the code on one side, and see it in practice on a TV on the other |
| [16:16:23] | superdump: | :) |
| [16:16:33] | superdump: | there's a 17" sitting in the other room doing nothing |
| [16:16:40] | iamlindoro: | superdump: How's all the AAC stuff going? |
| [16:16:56] | superdump: | maybe i'll dig out another dvi to vga adapter and run both |
| [16:17:06] | superdump: | one for pdfs, one for coding :) |
| [16:17:16] | tank-man: | iamlindoro, how many displays do you have hooked up to your pc? |
| [16:17:36] | iamlindoro: | tank-man: Just two upstairs, downstairs is dedicated frontend so just one |
| [16:17:36] | superdump: | i went to sweden for a month and i've been doing other things |
| [16:17:57] | iamlindoro: | nice |
| [16:18:03] | superdump: | heading off to the states for a couple of weeks soon too (brother's wedding) |
| [16:18:32] | superdump: | i did get time to get it compiling against current trunk while i was away though |
| [16:18:56] | iamlindoro: | which stuff? |
| [16:18:56] | superdump: | but i haven't done any more coding on it |
| [16:19:08] | superdump: | sbr |
| [16:19:22] | superdump: | i was talking about latm with someone earlier today |
| [16:19:39] | superdump: | maybe they'll look at that |
| [16:19:46] | iamlindoro: | cool, looking forward to that stuff |
| [16:19:51] | iamlindoro: | and saying adios to libfaa* |
| [16:19:56] | superdump: | mmm |
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| [16:20:20] | superdump: | there's a rumour of a little funding for the ffmpeg aac encoder, but we'll see |
| [16:20:29] | iamlindoro: | new ponies for everyone! |
| [16:20:40] | superdump: | hehe |
| [16:20:51] | meshe: | oooh, can i haz pony? |
| [16:22:30] | janneg: | laga_: 24" 1920x1080 display has the same dpi |
| [16:22:52] | laga_: | janneg: ooh? |
| [16:23:11] | laga_: | janneg: still, i'm not sure if having two differently sized monitors won't make things awkward, ie when moving screens |
| [16:23:21] | RegressLess: | anyone know how to get a pdf reader in mythbuntu? |
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| [16:23:54] | laga_: | RegressLess: apt-get install xpdf |
| [16:24:07] | meshe: | laga_: not an issue with my 15" laptop and external 17" monitor |
| [16:24:14] | meshe: | you get used to it |
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| [16:26:39] | laga_: | hum. my local dealer doesn't carry any cheap 24". darn |
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| [16:28:01] | Shadow__X: | get a 30 incher |
| [16:28:35] | meshe: | cinema display :) |
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| [16:28:50] | RegressLess: | laga_: Thanks, but how do I find it now when choosing a program to open a file? |
| [16:29:24] | ** iamlindoro wonders why AAC has to have 8000 types and extensions ** | |
| [16:29:31] | laga_: | RegressLess: /usr/bin/xpdf |
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| [16:29:39] | iamlindoro: | It should just be called "AACish" |
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| [17:08:14] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Did you catch my question on your ticket? In particular, the first patch referenced seems it should solve your problem |
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| [17:20:30] | iamlindoro: | Oh... my... god.. http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-August/261682.html |
| [17:20:48] | iamlindoro: | See last paragraph |
| [17:21:34] | sid3windr: | :| |
| [17:21:48] | juski: | roflmao |
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| [17:22:13] | iamlindoro: | So you flip out about getting coffee on the board and solve the problem by... RINSING IT WITH WATER? |
| [17:22:31] | RegressLess: | can someone tell me how to get out of the capture cards menu in mythtv setup? |
| [17:22:32] | jduggan: | lmfao |
| [17:22:34] | juski: | I dunno which is worse, not holding the work while drilling or the fact the board was nearby |
| [17:22:44] | jduggan: | lul |
| [17:22:54] | juski: | iamlindoro: so long as it's de-ionised water sure |
| [17:22:55] | jduggan: | too funny |
| [17:23:15] | Shadow__X: | wow its even more surprising that it still worked |
| [17:23:33] | juski: | de-ionised. oh ffs what a crap unintentional pun |
| [17:23:35] | iamlindoro: | RegressLess: Esc |
| [17:23:45] | laga_: | de-ionised water should work just fine |
| [17:23:54] | juski: | I just said that |
| [17:24:23] | RegressLess: | how embarrassing |
| [17:24:26] | juski: | drinking water ph should be close enough but I wouldn't risk it |
| [17:24:34] | laga_: | back in the days, i read a story about a manufacturer of water cooling devices who had one athlon that didn't POST anymore. he scrubbed it with soap and a brush and it worked fine |
| [17:24:47] | laga_: | juski: i was just confirming what you said :) |
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| [17:25:15] | gbee: | laga_: thermal paste on the pins probably |
| [17:26:23] | laga_: | yeah, something like that |
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| [17:37:44] | wagnerrp: | juski: you actually DONT want de-i water |
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| [17:38:10] | juski: | wagnerrp: why not? |
| [17:38:18] | wagnerrp: | apparently it will try to strip out any materials it can, and will corrode your metal parts more quickly |
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| [17:38:35] | wagnerrp: | at least thats the explanation ive heard |
| [17:38:37] | juski: | it's used all over the place in the electronics industry for cleaning assembled boards |
| [17:39:00] | wagnerrp: | for cleaning lines, sure |
| [17:39:04] | sid3windr: | that's what they want you to think! |
| [17:39:24] | wagnerrp: | but where in industry do they have de-i water sitting in a sealed unit for any length of time |
| [17:39:29] | juski: | sid3windr: I've worked in the industry for long enough to know it's a fact |
| [17:40:05] | wagnerrp: | i mean i had to do daily testing of the de-i at some job i had a couple years ago |
| [17:40:11] | juski: | heh |
| [17:40:12] | wagnerrp: | de-i tank |
| [17:42:10] | wagnerrp: | actually, the suggested mixture ive usually heard is just a mix of plain distilled water, and antifreeze, or something else with a corrosion inhibitor |
| [17:43:47] | juski: | anyway,, de-i water would be better than tap water, and tap water is better than coffee ;-) |
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| [17:44:18] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but toothpaste is an amazing thermal grease |
| [17:44:33] | juski: | til it dries out? |
| [17:44:57] | wagnerrp: | yeah, something like that... |
| [17:45:05] | wagnerrp: | http://www.dansdata.com/goop.htm |
| [17:47:28] | sid3windr: | f you magically manage to avoid wasting any grease then you could make one tube stretch a lot further, but anybody who's used thermal compound knows that more of it will end up distributed approximately evenly around the computer room, and the person applying it, than will end up where it's meant to go. |
| [17:47:33] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [17:48:10] | wagnerrp: | because you really have to worry about making it stretch |
| [17:48:22] | wagnerrp: | im still only halfway through a ~6yr old tube of AS5 |
| [17:48:28] | juski: | we used to use this weird light blue stuff at Sun to stick heatsinks on 88k CPUs & co-pros |
| [17:48:58] | wagnerrp: | stick? so it was a thermal paste rather than just grease? |
| [17:49:04] | juski: | it set hard |
| [17:49:26] | juski: | they were mounted with screws as well, but the paste set so hard it was effectively glue |
| [17:49:53] | juski: | I don't miss taking those heatsinks off |
| [17:50:32] | juski: | 2x 88k CPUs & 2x 88k co-processors – and one big slab of aluminium. |
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| [18:02:23] | iamlindoro: | jpabq: Are you able to use H.264 in trunk w/o --disable-ssse3 now? I don't use it and am fine |
| [18:02:45] | iamlindoro: | jpabq: I ask because there was a ticket on that topic just closed because of lack of infoneeded provided |
| [18:02:57] | laga_: | oops. i just closed some infoneeded tickets. i assume we're also closing these if they haven't had a response in thirty days? |
| [18:03:20] | iamlindoro: | laga_: I think it was fine to close it, I think that one is actually "fixed," just wanted to confirm w/ someone else |
| [18:03:42] | iamlindoro: | Think it should stay closed, was just for my edification :) |
| [18:04:21] | laga_: | heh, yeah |
| [18:04:26] | laga_: | i usually only close infoneeded_new |
| [18:04:29] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: yes, ssse3 seems to work okay now. I thought the ticket was closed after I said it worked? |
| [18:04:39] | iamlindoro: | jpabq: Different (dupe) ticket |
| [18:04:47] | iamlindoro: | was just checking to be sure |
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| [18:17:40] | gbee: | hmm, they are making some kind of movie at the house across the street, an army showed up outside in lorries, unloading tonnes of media related gear including three or more film cameras |
| [18:18:23] | gbee: | dozens of people milling about, half drinking bottled water (so it isn't a stereotype after all) |
| [18:19:18] | gbee: | ok, they've taken over two houses and the carpark of the pub ... now I'm really curious |
| [18:19:26] | ** iamlindoro casually considers a joke about the only UK shows he knows, refrains ** | |
| [18:20:00] | iamlindoro: | I will note that I wish I lived walking distance from a pub |
| [18:20:03] | gbee: | it would have to be big budget, they don't generally use film for TV, too expensive |
| [18:20:43] | gbee: | iamlindoro: it shut down two weeks ago, all boarded up now and talk of it being bought for redevelopment |
| [18:20:57] | iamlindoro: | Ah... well okay, and *open* pub then :) |
| [18:20:59] | iamlindoro: | er an |
| [18:23:52] | RegressLess: | How do I "show desktop"? |
| [18:24:00] | iamlindoro: | huh? |
| [18:24:05] | wagnerrp: | depends on your window manager |
| [18:24:09] | wagnerrp: | has nothing to do with mythtv |
| [18:24:15] | wagnerrp: | nothing to see here... move along.... |
| [18:24:24] | GreyFoxx: | Too bad you can't set "conditions" in an a video-ui.xml theme. If (Season != 0) use screenshotifitisset, else use coverfile |
| [18:24:25] | RegressLess: | uh, sorry, using mythbuntu |
| [18:24:40] | wagnerrp: | again, has nothing to do with mythtv, and everything to do with your window manager |
| [18:25:03] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: yeah, some sort of conditional language would be really nice |
| [18:25:34] | ** iamlindoro personally likes are the season covers :) ** | |
| [18:25:36] | iamlindoro: | er all the |
| [18:25:44] | RegressLess: | wagnerrp: sorry, I just can't get any help over there. I don't know what to do. |
| [18:25:47] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Even if oyu could set a priority of some sort ... button = moo, image moo1 = prioroty 1, image moo2 = priority2, |
| [18:26:03] | wagnerrp: | RegressLess: what window manager are you using? |
| [18:26:17] | GreyFoxx: | and it display the image based on if it's defined (screenshot/banner/covertshot) and i order of priority |
| [18:26:31] | GreyFoxx: | so if no screenshot is defined fall back to coverfile |
| [18:26:56] | RegressLess: | wagnerrp: Xfce I guess it's mythbuntu 9.04 |
| [18:27:01] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Hehe I love having them on folders, and if no screenshot is available, and do like i ton the details screen |
| [18:27:04] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: check out the metadata browse types yet? I'm proud :) |
| [18:27:11] | GreyFoxx: | but I'd rather see screenshots for files that have them |
| [18:27:25] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Not yet. I'm a couple days behind on my box :) |
| [18:27:46] | wagnerrp: | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux . . . fce4-601161/ |
| [18:27:49] | iamlindoro: | Work really nicely, though I admit I'm struggling a bit to get it to auto-build the TV structure |
| [18:28:22] | iamlindoro: | Have two-node (ie folder->items) figured out, but trying to wrap my head around building Title->Season #->Item |
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| [18:33:37] | RegressLess: | wagnerrp: duh, I can just right-click the panel and choose to add a toggle button. :P |
| [18:34:21] | flexy: | Can I control some way that on which directory the recordings go? As in, I have 2 HDs and if I have several recordings the same time, how does the backend decide which HD to use for which recording? |
| [18:34:49] | wagnerrp: | the backend uses a mix of free hard drive space, and current disk load |
| [18:35:09] | wagnerrp: | if you have multiple simultaneous recordings, it will balance the load between the drives |
| [18:35:20] | wagnerrp: | if you only have one recording, it should put it on the drive with the most free space |
| [18:35:41] | flexy: | ok |
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| [18:37:37] | flexy: | that's ok then. I was just wondering if there is a way to set myth to use just one HD at a time for example for 2 recordings.... only thinking of keeping the other in spindown mode more. Worth couple of Watts/h... :) |
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| [18:38:05] | wagnerrp: | i have no idea what you just said |
| [18:38:08] | Senkrad_Luna: | Hi everyone. I've changed my theme and after exiting and starting mythtv over again the screen is garbled, any suggestions on how to fix? |
| [18:38:13] | wagnerrp: | i do not understand the meaning of this 'watts/h' unit |
| [18:38:53] | flexy: | electricity per hour |
| [18:39:03] | flexy: | less heat generated |
| [18:39:08] | wagnerrp: | obviously you dont understand the meaning of 'watt' |
| [18:39:16] | flexy: | aha |
| [18:40:00] | flexy: | so you think that spindown state on HD takes as much power as active state? |
| [18:40:01] | iamlindoro: | Cubits per furlong divided by hogsheads squared over stone |
| [18:40:11] | wagnerrp: | 'watt' is a unit of power |
| [18:40:15] | iamlindoro: | flexy: That's not what he said |
| [18:40:28] | flexy: | wagnerrp: yes |
| [18:40:29] | juski: | and power is... ;) |
| [18:40:29] | wagnerrp: | equal to joules per second |
| [18:40:31] | iamlindoro: | flexy: Simply that W/h is not a measure of what you think it is |
| [18:40:46] | flexy: | crap |
| [18:40:48] | wagnerrp: | watts per hour, is the rate of change per hour |
| [18:41:00] | wagnerrp: | or how quickly your energy consumption rises |
| [18:41:20] | flexy: | ok, Wh then |
| [18:41:23] | wagnerrp: | the only use for that unit ever, would be figuring out timing for starting up peak load power plants |
| [18:41:53] | wagnerrp: | anyway, your point is still invalid |
| [18:41:54] | flexy: | right, go ahead, continue your way to split atoms |
| [18:42:24] | wagnerrp: | as at average power costs, idling a hard drive for an entire year would only cost you a couple bucks |
| [18:42:45] | wagnerrp: | running it for an hour or two every day would be pennies |
| [18:43:35] | flexy: | in any case, 3Wh creates heat. Heat requires cooling. Cooling arranged with fans create noise. |
| [18:43:46] | wagnerrp: | 3Wh does not create heat |
| [18:43:53] | wagnerrp: | 3Wh is a quantity of energy |
| [18:44:09] | wagnerrp: | and if you use that over a year, its almost immeasurable |
| [18:44:23] | flexy: | right. but that amount gets used in an hour |
| [18:44:23] | wagnerrp: | you want watts, just plain and simple watts... |
| [18:44:27] | flexy: | ok |
| [18:44:36] | wagnerrp: | so 3watt-hours per hour? |
| [18:44:38] | flexy: | 3W creates heat |
| [18:44:45] | flexy: | yes |
| [18:45:10] | wagnerrp: | its actually closer to 5–6W, idle versus spun down |
| [18:45:16] | flexy: | maybe more. have not measured, just googled the disc specs |
| [18:45:27] | wagnerrp: | active is close to 9W |
| [18:45:39] | flexy: | yes, I'm being conservative, so that the surprise is positive |
| [18:45:58] | flexy: | but please continue |
| [18:46:21] | wagnerrp: | my point is that the cost of running those drives instead of idling them is minimal |
| [18:46:30] | wagnerrp: | s/idling/spinning down/ |
| [18:46:35] | flexy: | and my point is noise |
| [18:46:48] | wagnerrp: | modern hard drives dont make much noise |
| [18:47:22] | flexy: | and even if it was the cost, what then? It's my wallet, I can think of saving a penny in a year if I choose so |
| [18:47:23] | wagnerrp: | and if youre trying to put a hard drive pack in a machine you want quiet, youre really doing it wrong anyway |
| [18:48:02] | flexy: | right, if I had the money, I would acquire half a dozen intel ssd units |
| [18:48:03] | wagnerrp: | usually you want a machine quiet, because it sits in front of the computer |
| [18:48:15] | wagnerrp: | and sitting in front of the computer, you want it small |
| [18:48:30] | wagnerrp: | and being small, its incapable of handling heat |
| [18:48:57] | wagnerrp: | but considering you SHOULD design systems based around the maximum heat output you might see, you dont want those hard drives in there to begin with |
| [18:49:21] | flexy: | neither the cpu, it generates loads of heat |
| [18:49:49] | flexy: | gpu can do so also, should we ditch it too? |
| [18:50:03] | wagnerrp: | a small, relatively powerful dual core system is going to consume under 100W at the wall |
| [18:50:20] | Senkrad_Luna: | Frontend garbled any suggestions on how to fix? Desktop and terminals still available. |
| [18:50:24] | flexy: | hell, even the psu operates under 90% efficiency, should I use batteries? |
| [18:50:25] | wagnerrp: | most of that near the backend of the system |
| [18:50:41] | wagnerrp: | where it gets pulled away from other components |
| [18:51:04] | wagnerrp: | the hard drives are the problem, because you generally cannot put large slow quiet fans on them, and they pump that heat into the rest of the system |
| [18:51:48] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i digress |
| [18:51:55] | wagnerrp: | if you dont want mythtv recording to that drive |
| [18:52:00] | wagnerrp: | take the drive out of the storage group |
| [18:52:11] | wagnerrp: | there is no other way to do it |
| [18:52:25] | wagnerrp: | technically, thats not exactly true.... |
| [18:52:39] | wagnerrp: | recently, trunk has added a few options to the disk balancing |
| [18:52:50] | wagnerrp: | so you can tell it to only figure in disk space |
| [18:53:07] | wagnerrp: | so you could write a script that would nightly shift all the recordings over to one drive |
| [18:53:18] | flexy: | right, a ton of rambling, then to the business |
| [18:53:19] | wagnerrp: | so then mythtv will only record to the other drive |
| [18:53:33] | wagnerrp: | but thats a horrible hack of a job |
| [18:53:50] | flexy: | yes, I'm not going to do it. nice to suggest it, though |
| [18:53:53] | wagnerrp: | for negligible gain |
| [18:54:39] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, figures my first ticket for Mr. Dean he has fixed already :) |
| [18:54:56] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: heh, well you'll have confirm that it's so, but it sure *seems* that way |
| [18:55:14] | kormoc: | Yeah, which might be hard, as the os x packager downloads the source new each time it seems |
| [18:55:34] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: sphery: I know sphery planned to commit that ticket this week |
| [18:55:49] | iamlindoro: | If he's looking, maybe he can do so or have you do so, then you can test as normal |
| [18:56:40] | wagnerrp: | flexy: anyway, my point is that if you want a quiet system, powering down one hard drive is not the way to do it |
| [18:56:51] | wagnerrp: | you have to get the drives out of the system |
| [18:57:42] | flexy: | well, can't do that. I have just one machine, it's dedicated myth box. |
| [18:59:21] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: could add a quick wget and patch into the build script, too |
| [18:59:27] | kormoc: | yeah, true |
| [18:59:28] | iamlindoro: | right after the source dl |
| [18:59:32] | kormoc: | I'll poke at it in a few |
| [18:59:47] | iamlindoro: | cool, I'm sure he'd be glad to hear if it fixed a crossplatform issue too |
| [19:00:05] | iamlindoro: | but from looking at my mac right now and how the patch works, it seems like it should |
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| [19:35:32] | Wicked: | hmm im trying to find the wiki article on the upcoming 0.22..it compares the mythui to xbmc and stuff...any ideas what the entry is called? |
| [19:35:47] | Wicked: | nm i found it |
| [19:36:02] | wagnerrp: | the theme mockup page? |
| [19:36:16] | iamlindoro: | MythUI demo theme |
| [19:36:55] | iamlindoro: | anyway, Myth will have tons of new eye candy, but it's not going to have *everything* that the XBMC UI has for .22, but it'll get more eye candy upgrades for .23 |
| [19:36:57] | tmkt: | more like the 0.22 tease page |
| [19:40:36] | juski: | it'll have stuff even XBMC hasn't got if I let rip :P |
| [19:41:49] | iamlindoro: | well by all means |
| [19:41:51] | iamlindoro: | let 'er rip :) |
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| [19:46:28] | Wicked: | ah yea |
| [19:46:57] | Wicked: | i was just talking to my friend about mythtv and wanted to show him some how the upcoming version might look |
| [19:47:44] | janneg: | why on earth would anyone invite a mailing list to facebook? |
| [19:47:50] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra http://www.fecitfacta.com/Graphite/ |
| [19:47:54] | Wicked: | would it be posssible to have both .21 and .22 setup? maby i can tell .22 to use a diff database....and only use .21 to record...im itching to play with .22 |
| [19:47:55] | iamlindoro: | Those are how *actual* .22 themes look |
| [19:48:13] | Wicked: | ah nice! |
| [19:48:20] | wagnerrp: | you can, but its difficult to do on the same system |
| [19:48:30] | Wicked: | ah |
| [19:48:46] | juski: | well, how actual themes *could* look with the provided XML if somebody knocked a whole theme together |
| [19:49:10] | iamlindoro: | juski: Hrm? Terra and Graphite look exactly like that :) |
| [19:49:26] | wagnerrp: | yeah, those comparison shots are functional, but they are only a single page |
| [19:49:26] | juski: | iamlindoro: yeah I was talking about the demo themes page. oops |
| [19:49:30] | iamlindoro: | ah |
| [19:49:30] | Wicked: | how about getting movie information? is that gonna be improved? im currently using a 3rd party script to parse for info...it works pretty good...but it does mess up on occasion...and the movie posters it pulls in are tiny...so they look all pixelated in mythvideo |
| [19:49:43] | wagnerrp: | tmdb works great |
| [19:49:50] | juski: | imdb.pl is deprecated |
| [19:49:57] | iamlindoro: | Metadata handling in MythVideo is much improved |
| [19:49:58] | wagnerrp: | the database isnt nearly as big as imdb's but it is growing |
| [19:50:00] | iamlindoro: | if I do say so myself |
| [19:50:01] | Wicked: | im using mythvideo-scanner.pl |
| [19:50:10] | iamlindoro: | Everything that script does is wrong |
| [19:50:17] | iamlindoro: | you will have a jacked up database for .22 |
| [19:50:17] | Wicked: | mythvideo-scanner.pl? |
| [19:50:19] | juski: | where do people pull these cockameemy scripts from? |
| [19:50:19] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [19:50:23] | Wicked: | ah ok. |
| [19:50:39] | Wicked: | is there something better i can use rigth now with .21? |
| [19:50:53] | juski: | yeah tmdb.pl |
| [19:51:08] | iamlindoro: | IMHO it'll be better to clear out the video portion of the DB when you get to .22 and rescan things-- there are multiple ways to get that done damn quick |
| [19:51:09] | wagnerrp: | there is a page on the wiki explaining how to use it in place of imdb.pl |
| [19:51:11] | Wicked: | hmm ok. and i can find info on that from the wiki? |
| [19:51:23] | iamlindoro: | especially if you have any TV material in MythVideo |
| [19:51:31] | Wicked: | ah. |
| [19:52:39] | juski: | oh look! searching the wiki for 'tmdb.pl' found: |
| [19:52:50] | Wicked: | ah damn. i gotta go guys. ill check out the tmdb.pl when i get back home. thanks for the info :) |
| [19:52:55] | juski: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl |
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| [19:52:57] | wagnerrp: | 'strip resolution marker'? just where would you get a file that had the resolution listed in the name? |
| [19:53:11] | iamlindoro: | YARRRRRRR |
| [19:53:21] | Wicked: | juski, ah awesome. |
| [19:53:22] | juski: | wagnerrp: t3h p1r@73 8@y ? |
| [19:53:24] | clever: | exactly :P |
| [19:53:30] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: wherezat? |
| [19:53:46] | wagnerrp: | mythvideo-scanner.pl |
| [19:53:53] | iamlindoro: | Retarded |
| [19:53:54] | trumee: | guys, i submitted a user job to the backend. Mythweb/Frontend are showing it to be queued for the past 15 minutes. How can i force it to run? |
| [19:53:59] | ** juski shoots the usless linker ** | |
| [19:54:09] | iamlindoro: | it messes up allll the fields that appear in .22 |
| [19:54:37] | iamlindoro: | trumee: You didn't set it up properly |
| [19:54:51] | trumee: | iamlindoro, what do you mean? |
| [19:55:00] | wagnerrp: | you probably did not specify any backends as capable of running said user job |
| [19:55:02] | iamlindoro: | mythtv-setup has *two* checkboxes for User jobs... One for adding the user job, and one for "allow User Job x on this backend" |
| [19:55:14] | trumee: | iamlindoro, i see. checking this |
| [19:55:16] | iamlindoro: | You failed to do the latter |
| [19:55:30] | wagnerrp: | should be on the same page (or maybe the one after) |
| [19:55:47] | iamlindoro: | Think it's just before, actually |
| [19:55:54] | iamlindoro: | but no way to check from here :) |
| [19:56:08] | laga_: | anyone here using mythbuntu-diskless? |
| [19:56:18] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: Actually I' |
| [19:56:38] | wagnerrp: | love that accidental 'enter' key press |
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| [19:56:45] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: Actually I've considered writing a script that renames all of my files ot include details like resolution in the name and update the DB as needed |
| [19:56:45] | cityLights1: | hi all |
| [19:56:56] | cityLights1: | is trunk in beta yet? |
| [19:57:03] | GreyFoxx: | there is no such thing |
| [19:57:04] | iamlindoro: | We don't do betas |
| [19:57:08] | GreyFoxx: | trunk is trunk |
| [19:57:10] | GreyFoxx: | until it's not |
| [19:57:17] | cityLights1: | hi iam lindoro |
| [19:57:18] | GreyFoxx: | and then it's still trunk, but a new branch exists |
| [19:58:00] | GreyFoxx: | cityLights1: A feature freeze/call for users to start running trunk to get it ready for a release is likely to happen in the near future |
| [19:58:09] | GreyFoxx: | It's been discussed |
| [19:58:13] | iamlindoro: | possibly extremely near |
| [19:58:22] | cityLights1: | fine , then let me rephrase your horner |
| [19:58:34] | iamlindoro: | He wants to see your harmonica |
| [19:58:36] | cityLights1: | I need hebrew support in search |
| [19:58:47] | cityLights1: | I proved it is not working well now |
| [19:59:06] | GreyFoxx: | cityLights1: You testd in trunk or in -fixes ? |
| [19:59:07] | cityLights1: | trunk has utf-8 access to mysql |
| [19:59:16] | iamlindoro: | UTF support is in trunk, and I have tested it with numerous non-western languages |
| [19:59:19] | cityLights1: | in fixes |
| [19:59:23] | GreyFoxx: | ok |
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| [19:59:53] | cityLights1: | what I did is basiclly ask myth to reconrd SHOW |
| [20:00:04] | cityLights1: | whare SHOW is in hebrew letters |
| [20:00:15] | cityLights1: | it didnt record and program |
| [20:00:18] | iamlindoro: | will work fine in .22 |
| [20:00:29] | cityLights1: | even thu it did show sevral hits |
| [20:01:01] | cityLights1: | right iamlindoro, this is why I am asking about trunk |
| [20:01:09] | cityLights1: | is preview picture there yet? |
| [20:01:19] | iamlindoro: | Preview pictures were never gone |
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| [20:01:41] | iamlindoro: | Video preview is gone, and won't be back for .22 |
| [20:01:41] | GreyFoxx: | the preview video is currently out |
| [20:01:43] | cityLights1: | was the issue of scanning analog channels fixed? |
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| [20:02:02] | trumee: | iamlindoro, i checked it. Allow job to run was indeed set on the backend. |
| [20:02:03] | ** GreyFoxx has never scanned analog channels, don't know anything about that ** | |
| [20:02:11] | iamlindoro: | If you want detailed information on what has and has not happened in trunk, you need to check the commit logs |
| [20:02:25] | cityLights1: | I opened a bug and daniel verified that dvb code is used to scan even when using a freme buffer |
| [20:02:48] | iamlindoro: | cityLights1: If you opened a bug, and it hasn't been closed, then it hasn't been fixed |
| [20:02:49] | GreyFoxx: | If the ticket is still open maybe you could add acomment asking if he had a chance to look at it |
| [20:02:52] | iamlindoro: | that's how bugs tickets work |
| [20:03:18] | trumee: | What does the "queue start time" in mythtv-setup mean. |
| [20:03:21] | cityLights1: | is there anyone in the active members here that does use analog ? |
| [20:03:25] | wagnerrp: | sometimes when it is closed, it still hasnt been fixed |
| [20:03:31] | wagnerrp: | i use analog |
| [20:03:40] | iamlindoro: | trumee: it means the time to start and end running anything in the queue |
| [20:03:43] | trumee: | do i need to reduce that time |
| [20:03:55] | GreyFoxx: | Ihave several analog tuners, but I'm never had to do achannel scan on any of them |
| [20:04:03] | iamlindoro: | trumee: if you leave it the default, it'll run within minutes... if you ahve messed with it, you've change myth to only run jobs during certain hours |
| [20:04:10] | cityLights1: | wagnerrp: do you use a frame buffer? |
| [20:04:18] | iamlindoro: | frame *grabber* |
| [20:04:22] | GreyFoxx: | mine are all mpeg cards though |
| [20:04:23] | wagnerrp: | cityLights1: nope, a pair of mpeg encoders |
| [20:04:25] | trumee: | iamlindoro, i might have messed it up then. what are the default values |
| [20:04:43] | iamlindoro: | trumee: Read the help text, it tells you how to run at any time |
| [20:04:45] | cityLights1: | Of topic , is there anyone here that understand graph theory? |
| [20:05:14] | wagnerrp: | i should learn graph theory, apparently its an important topic in my field of study |
| [20:05:19] | wagnerrp: | ... but at the moment, no |
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| [20:07:10] | cityLights1: | is the developer named daniel in the trac here? |
| [20:07:11] | laga_: | let's say i know what a tree is ;) |
| [20:07:18] | trumee: | iamlindoro, the help text is not very helpful. I have now set it to 00:00 and 23:59. |
| [20:07:19] | iamlindoro: | cityLights1: no |
| [20:07:22] | cityLights1: | he seems nice.. |
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| [20:07:35] | cityLights1: | from his writing |
| [20:07:37] | iamlindoro: | cityLights1: if you want to discuss the ticket, you can post to the dev list |
| [20:07:46] | trumee: | iamlindoro, start of 00:00 and end time of 23:59, means it can start anytime? |
| [20:07:49] | cityLights1: | thanks |
| [20:07:49] | iamlindoro: | Or if you have info relevant to the ticket, you can post it to the ticket |
| [20:07:52] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [20:08:16] | cityLights1: | as most often ppl come here to ask "which card to buy" |
| [20:08:29] | cityLights1: | is there a rating of cards? |
| [20:08:44] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [20:09:04] | cityLights1: | as most often I read here that members deny there is ONE choce |
| [20:09:04] | cityLights1: | choice |
| [20:09:18] | cityLights1: | the other way of telling ppl to try out diffrent vendors – doesnt help... |
| [20:09:21] | iamlindoro: | that's correct, there are many valid choices |
| [20:09:23] | tmkt: | i love my geforce 9600 |
| [20:09:34] | iamlindoro: | tmkt: Pretty sure he doesn't mean GPU |
| [20:09:40] | cityLights1: | I mean the fact that a card has linux drivers – doesnt mean it gives good quality |
| [20:09:41] | tmkt: | ah |
| [20:09:44] | tmkt: | never mind |
| [20:09:46] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [20:10:00] | tmkt: | i'm just beat..i need someone to take my bike home, and let me sleep at the office |
| [20:10:02] | wagnerrp: | cityLights1: no, but it does put it heads above most of the options available |
| [20:10:09] | tmkt: | too much biking, too much basketball |
| [20:10:28] | GreyFoxx: | cityLights1: So few people use framegrabbers now , so normally when talking about cards we are referring to dvb cards and picture quality does not vary from card to card |
| [20:10:45] | wagnerrp: | the only thing that changes is capacity to tune |
| [20:10:54] | cityLights1: | I see |
| [20:10:56] | tmkt: | i love my hauppauge 1600 then |
| [20:11:01] | wagnerrp: | which matters on broadcast, and to a lesser extent, satellite |
| [20:11:05] | wagnerrp: | cable, not at all |
| [20:11:19] | iamlindoro: | tmkt: He's on the wrong continent for that |
| [20:11:29] | cityLights1: | as diffrent dvb cards offer diffrent chip sets – is there a chip sets that is favarable? |
| [20:11:46] | tmkt: | i love my espresso then. |
| [20:11:54] | iamlindoro: | he can probably find expresso :) |
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| [20:11:57] | GreyFoxx: | cityLights1: Not from myth's perspective no |
| [20:12:09] | GreyFoxx: | myth has no knowledge of the chipset really |
| [20:12:11] | iamlindoro: | Can we switch trac to require an e-mail address? |
| [20:12:31] | GreyFoxx: | cityLights1: but the #linuxtv would know more about the specific hardware and how well it's supported |
| [20:12:37] | tmkt: | 6 interviews this week... 6 more next week, 2 tomorrow |
| [20:12:39] | wagnerrp: | tired of anonymous making crap tickets? |
| [20:12:45] | tmkt: | now i remember why i dont search for jobs |
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| [20:13:11] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: Pretty much :) |
| [20:13:31] | kormoc: | tmkt, be more discriminating, only interview with places you'd want to work at... |
| [20:13:42] | tmkt: | i am |
| [20:13:50] | tmkt: | the 6 interviews this week are for one position |
| [20:13:52] | tmkt: | and same next week |
| [20:13:54] | cityLights1: | so dvb cards, actually made it easier for us to get good quality |
| [20:13:57] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:14:04] | tmkt: | and the funny thing.. |
| [20:14:07] | kormoc: | 12 interviews for one position sounds... excessive... |
| [20:14:07] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: He's interviewing at all 12 canadian companies, what more do you want? |
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| [20:14:09] | tmkt: | its for the company i'm currently working for |
| [20:14:10] | cityLights1: | so we actaully need only seek for a good price.. |
| [20:14:12] | tmkt: | 2 positions |
| [20:14:13] | GreyFoxx: | cityLights1: It's digital, there is no interperatation |
| [20:14:21] | tmkt: | tomorrow one interview for one position with a different company |
| [20:14:22] | kormoc: | still... excessive.... |
| [20:14:24] | tmkt: | yes |
| [20:14:26] | tmkt: | that it is |
| [20:14:29] | GreyFoxx: | So all digital recordings of material are identical |
| [20:14:33] | iamlindoro: | better be google |
| [20:14:37] | tmkt: | 2 tech interviews, 2 fluff interviews, 2 management interviews |
| [20:14:42] | tmkt: | nah...Yahoo SNV |
| [20:14:49] | iamlindoro: | Ah... so Microsoft |
| [20:14:52] | iamlindoro: | get out |
| [20:14:52] | tmkt: | guess they want to see if they should spend the money to move me to california again |
| [20:14:58] | wagnerrp: | with digital, the only thing you need to worry about is that your SNR is sufficiently high to get an errorless datastream |
| [20:15:00] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, hrm. I contract for 14 Canadian companies, so I guess two of them are lieing? |
| [20:15:29] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Those last two were American companies with ", eh?" added to the end |
| [20:15:36] | cityLights1: | so dont you see analong at all – anymore?> |
| [20:15:41] | wagnerrp: | and considering transmissions can have something like 30% error rate, before you start dropping data, thats not all that difficult |
| [20:15:51] | tmkt: | i know for sure..the second i move back to california, they will reopen up the Canada location again |
| [20:15:54] | tmkt: | wankers |
| [20:15:57] | GreyFoxx: | cityLights1: Analog yes, but not as much |
| [20:16:02] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, hehe |
| [20:16:11] | GreyFoxx: | and even then it's usually mpeg encoding cards live pvr150's and such |
| [20:16:14] | iamlindoro: | And when we do, we pretty much insist that people find a hardware encoder |
| [20:16:14] | trumee: | User job show be /usr/local/bin/myth3gp.sh "%DIR%/%FILE%" or /usr/local/bin/myth3gp.sh %DIR%/%FILE% |
| [20:16:24] | trumee: | with or without quotes? |
| [20:16:27] | GreyFoxx: | very few use framegrabbers except when they have an old one laying around they want to reuse |
| [20:16:36] | cityLights1: | well I am still using only analong and so I still didnt find a good tx card |
| [20:16:42] | tmkt: | that graphite theme is pretty |
| [20:16:50] | wagnerrp: | or foolishly think using the framegrabber attached to their hybrid tuner is a good thing |
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| [20:17:31] | notlistening: | Hi xris |
| [20:17:31] | xris: | notlistening: have you used scte65scan? |
| [20:17:43] | tmkt: | you'd expect a response? |
| [20:17:54] | tmkt: | never mind... if it was notreading |
| [20:18:08] | notlistening: | xris, np just the HR scan and myths internal |
| [20:18:11] | iamlindoro: | xris: Think he's got a DVB-T HDHR |
| [20:18:24] | xris: | ah |
| [20:18:32] | cityLights1: | so I should seel my three frame buffers and buy an analog encoder card? |
| [20:18:38] | notlistening: | yeah DVB-T |
| [20:18:50] | wagnerrp: | grabbers |
| [20:19:06] | cityLights1: | sorry |
| [20:19:10] | cityLights1: | ok |
| [20:19:15] | xris: | notlistening: ah, wouldn't help your case, then. |
| [20:19:21] | cityLights1: | I will go back to study graphs |
| [20:19:39] | cityLights1: | I will drop by in a week or so, to see if I can try trunk |
| [20:19:40] | iamlindoro: | notlistening: Pretty much the only thing to do is run mythtv-setup in a verbose mode that will get the scan info and then open a ticket |
| [20:19:43] | notlistening: | xris, , ok :P |
| [20:20:03] | xris: | my issue wasn't channels not showing up, but that myth just wasn't using my hdhr to record (could still pick it manually for livetv) |
| [20:20:14] | iamlindoro: | notlistening: ie mythtv-setup -v most > channelscan.log |
| [20:20:20] | kormoc: | ooh, whoops |
| [20:20:27] | iamlindoro: | notlistening: Then run a full channel scan, and open a ticket with a detailed description of the problem and the logs |
| [20:20:35] | notlistening: | right lets do a ticket :D |
| [20:20:44] | notlistening: | ok i am on it |
| [20:20:52] | iamlindoro: | notlistening: Just to be sure, you're using trunk, right? |
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| [20:22:01] | notlistening: | yeah i am using trunk |
| [20:22:11] | iamlindoro: | notlistening: OK. The trunk channel scanner has been totally rewritten, so bug reports on that are good |
| [20:22:16] | iamlindoro: | just make sure your checkout is up to date |
| [20:23:04] | notlistening: | will do an update now and this issue has existed for a while as i have moved up versions |
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| [20:24:19] | juski: | starting to resent changing stuff in ui code header files. recompiling takes an *age* |
| [20:24:37] | Hoxzer_: | Hmm. |
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| [20:25:02] | iamlindoro: | juski: Heh, have made a few changes there myself, I usually use -j # to my advantage, though |
| [20:25:19] | juski: | make -j3 always here |
| [20:25:30] | juski: | need MOARGHZ & MOARCOREZ |
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| [20:32:43] | tavelram: | anyone here familiar with crt-projectors and how to design xorg.conf? |
| [20:33:35] | juski: | god, how did I ever have the patience to run gentoo on an athlon 800? LOL |
| [20:35:02] | wagnerrp: | you slept more |
| [20:35:08] | wagnerrp: | after drinking |
| [20:36:09] | juski: | my laptop's heatpip is gonna croak at this rate |
| [20:36:12] | juski: | *heatpipe |
| [20:36:15] | meshe: | tavelram: use an nvidia card and let nvidia-settings take care of it |
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| [20:40:31] | tavelram: | meshe, ok? Perhaps I should reveal a few more details :P. I need to output a RGB w/ H+V Sync interlaced, which my current rage II is able to do – but the image comes out extremly dark and like pal resolution. The pj has a constant sync of 15,625Hz, and no DCC-interface or anything probable, so what would a nvidia card provide? |
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| [20:40:45] | tavelram: | a nice gui that does the calculations? |
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| [20:41:57] | wagnerrp: | nothing, because youre not going to get an nvidia card that can run on the same machine as your rage2 |
| [20:42:10] | tavelram: | wagnerrp, yeah :p |
| [20:42:16] | kormoc: | you're coming off extremely jerkish right now, you knew very well she was giving the common user's answer... |
| [20:42:32] | tavelram: | I could have a look at the nvidia tools though. |
| [20:43:00] | wagnerrp: | 8x AGP cards can only run in 4x/8x boards right? |
| [20:43:04] | tavelram: | kormoc, sorry? |
| [20:43:31] | tavelram: | wagnerrp, are they really backwards compatible to 4x? |
| [20:43:47] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, depends on the card and mobo I thought |
| [20:44:00] | wagnerrp: | i believe 4x and 8x boards use a different keying than previous AGP implementations |
| [20:44:14] | j-rod: | you can put an 8x card in a 2x slot too |
| [20:44:37] | AndyCap: | anyhow, you can always find some circuit to give you composite sync from H and V |
| [20:44:41] | kormoc: | http://www.playtool.com/pages/agpcompat/agp.html |
| [20:44:42] | j-rod: | the only significant gotcha is if its an *apple* 2x slot w/their apple display connector |
| [20:44:48] | j-rod: | apple used some of the pins for power |
| [20:44:53] | tavelram: | but with rgb the pj is supposed to handle more than 1000 lines, and Im not sure how it works, ie would that mean I only get 15,625/1000 = 15,625Hz refresh rate? |
| [20:45:05] | j-rod: | agp 4x and later uses those pins for faster signals, or some shit |
| [20:45:07] | AndyCap: | this being a CRT practicality and WAF is out the windows anyway |
| [20:45:09] | tavelram: | or is the 15kHz only tied to the s-video interface? |
| [20:45:39] | j-rod: | I have a hacked up GeForce 6200 8x AGP card in an old Mac w/the ADC AGP slot, just have to tape over or cut some pins |
| [20:47:54] | tavelram: | AndyCap, yeah, Ive seen a few. But switching the card to nvidia isnt that interresting, in that case id replace the whole system instead. |
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| [20:57:53] | juski: | tavelram: you can't change refresh rates of the tv-out |
| [20:58:06] | juski: | you set it to PAL or NTSC, that's it |
| [20:58:14] | tavelram: | juski, its not the tv-out, its straight from the vga. |
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| [20:58:42] | tavelram: | so the gfx only outputs raw rgb and a composite sync. |
| [20:59:46] | AndyCap: | what projector is this? |
| [21:00:00] | tavelram: | seleco svt-180 |
| [21:00:17] | tavelram: | there is a nice hit on google for it. |
| [21:00:30] | tavelram: | adrian-kingston or something. |
| [21:01:00] | AndyCap: | dunno if that can support more than regular resolution. |
| [21:01:16] | AndyCap: | just read an ad for it |
| [21:01:53] | tavelram: | ok, well im pretty sure that it can support >1000 lines when using component, since the manual says so, but what Im not sure about is if the 15,625 Hz is fixed even for component, or what. |
| [21:02:57] | AndyCap: | nah, that was the 310. hmm |
| [21:03:10] | juski: | oh ffs I've had enough of this. Just wasted an evening try to make rotatepulse |
| [21:03:50] | tavelram: | so it seems that if i feed it with 1280x960, the 15625Hz results in a Hz of 15625/960 ~= 15Hz, which pretty bad :p |
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| [21:04:40] | juski: | I take it you're using the projector's VGA input |
| [21:04:42] | AndyCap: | tavelram: well, curt palme says otherwise, |
| [21:05:15] | tavelram: | juski, nope, that port can only handle cga. im using the component/rgb one. |
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| [21:05:42] | tavelram: | AndyCap, really? since thats my source of info :p |
| [21:05:45] | juski: | you're probably wasting your time |
| [21:05:47] | AndyCap: | tavelram: and I would think that it has a limit to how low a refreshrate it can handle |
| [21:06:29] | AndyCap: | tavelram: I see 50–60Hz and 15khz which leaves you with normal SD resolution |
| [21:06:32] | tavelram: | AndyCap, yeah, Ive found figures of 50/60Hz fixed, but that would imply that it can only handle stuff like PAL, so it kind of contradicts itself. |
| [21:06:41] | tavelram: | indeed. |
| [21:07:01] | tavelram: | AndyCap, so if you look at the component inputs, it says >1000 lines. |
| [21:07:19] | tavelram: | juski, interresting that youd call this wasting :p |
| [21:07:29] | AndyCap: | tavelram: um, where? |
| [21:07:33] | iamlindoro: | tavelram: Taking something as an input doesn't mean displaying it |
| [21:07:42] | tavelram: | iamlindoro, true :) |
| [21:07:42] | kormoc: | what's the output display resolution? that's more important... |
| [21:08:00] | juski: | give it PAL, see what happens :P |
| [21:08:19] | tavelram: | AndyCap, look at the specifications, video definition, RGB. |
| [21:08:20] | AndyCap: | kormoc: being a crt projector it's a little flexible |
| [21:08:27] | kormoc: | ooh... crt... |
| [21:09:51] | tavelram: | ive used it with s-vhs though windows on a different system before, so that part works, but since ive got this system and a gfx that can output rgb and HV-sync, i thought Id give it a try :) |
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| [21:10:22] | tavelram: | Ive already got a working xorg.conf, but Im not happy with the picture, it being very dark and not the resolution I specified. |
| [21:11:00] | tavelram: | AndyCap, did you find the >1000 part? |
| [21:11:05] | AndyCap: | no |
| [21:11:36] | tavelram: | AndyCap, ok, search the curt palme site for rgb, the 3rd result. |
| [21:12:22] | tavelram: | ie on this page http://www.adrian-kingston.com/SVT180.htm |
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| [21:14:04] | tavelram: | actually, it also says "RGB signals with automatic 50Hz / 60Hz switching", which means that it might be able to handle something larger than 15625/lines Hz? |
| [21:15:47] | AndyCap: | tavelram: no other mention of it in the manual apart from a line, so I suspect that its meaningless |
| [21:16:45] | tavelram: | AndyCap, well yeah, i dont think they mentioned the lines more than once, but still, why even bother with it if it is meaningless? |
| [21:17:11] | tavelram: | it isnt a sales pitch :p |
| [21:17:51] | tavelram: | AndyCap, " Not only that, but at 850 lumens with drop dead contrast and over 1000 lines of RGB resolution, it makes you realize that the latest DLP projectors are really not that hot " |
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| [21:21:49] | kormoc: | because they want you to buy the last few sitting in a warehouse getting dusty? |
| [21:22:12] | iamlindoro: | 850 lumens is pretty dark |
| [21:22:14] | AndyCap: | kormoc: wery prescient, since the manual is from the 90's |
| [21:22:19] | clever: | ummmm |
| [21:22:27] | clever: | i have a recording from 10am to 6:21 pm! |
| [21:22:31] | clever: | its an hour long show:P |
| [21:22:37] | AndyCap: | clever: not anymore. :) |
| [21:22:53] | clever: | AndyCap: mythbackend does stupid things when mysql stops responding :( |
| [21:23:08] | iamlindoro: | MythTV System Requirements: |
| [21:23:15] | iamlindoro: | A system fast enough that mysql doesn't stop responding |
| [21:23:21] | clever: | iamlindoro: check |
| [21:23:39] | clever: | #2, a dedicated partition for the database, not anymore ! |
| [21:23:40] | iamlindoro: | A system fast enough to run the scheduler at a non-geological timescale |
| [21:23:52] | tavelram: | iamlindoro, true, crt:s need a darker environment than lcds. the lumen rating isnt the important thing in my cite though :p |
| [21:24:00] | clever: | iamlindoro: it only takes 60 seconds, not 6 hours |
| [21:24:10] | iamlindoro: | clever: That's glacial all right |
| [21:24:26] | clever: | iamlindoro: the problem wasnt the scheduler |
| [21:24:36] | iamlindoro: | I never said it was, numbnuts |
| [21:25:20] | clever: | 143 commercial break(s) |
| [21:25:30] | clever: | and it seems things go a little wonky if i kill mythcommflag |
| [21:25:32] | AndyCap: | tavelram: still, it depends on what the electronics manage to sync to. |
| [21:26:00] | AndyCap: | tavelram: not sure if xvidtune still works, haven't used it since, uh, 97 or so. :P |
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| [21:26:15] | tavelram: | AndyCap, yeah. xvidtune? |
| [21:26:44] | kormoc: | the app to modify all that timing stuff |
| [21:26:59] | AndyCap: | tavelram: old, old, old school app |
| [21:27:24] | AndyCap: | http://howto-pages.org/ModeLines/ |
| [21:27:44] | kormoc: | it still works I'm fairly sure, I used it not too long ago... like back in '04 |
| [21:27:52] | juski: | you know why I said you might be wasting your time, tavelram ? does the video card you're using even have Xv support working in its driver? |
| [21:27:54] | tavelram: | nice |
| [21:28:06] | tavelram: | juski, Xv? |
| [21:28:09] | kormoc: | nah, the rage 2 doesn't have Xv support |
| [21:28:13] | kormoc: | just a requirement to run myth |
| [21:28:31] | juski: | so your CPU will be doing colorspace conversion then. Ouch |
| [21:28:38] | tavelram: | the modeline howto seems nice. |
| [21:28:43] | juski: | brings many a modern CPU to its knees |
| [21:28:49] | tavelram: | oh, ok. |
| [21:29:04] | clever: | juski: maybe thats the xv problem ive been having lately... |
| [21:29:17] | AndyCap: | tavelram: look for a ati 9000 something card? :> |
| [21:29:43] | tavelram: | perhaps i shouldnt use mythtv then? or could i just stream from a server? |
| [21:29:52] | tavelram: | AndyCap, yeah :) |
| [21:30:14] | kormoc: | clever, only if you did something idiotic... oh perhaps then |
| [21:30:27] | juski: | you can't stream uncompressed video from a server |
| [21:30:35] | juski: | do the sums :) |
| [21:31:05] | tavelram: | juski, true, but the colorspace conversions could be done server-side? |
| [21:31:09] | clever: | kormoc: the gentoo X11 server takes an abnormal ammount of cpu to play h264 |
| [21:31:09] | juski: | 720x576x25(fps)x32(bits) == more than your network can deliver :P |
| [21:31:19] | clever: | kormoc: while the ubuntu x server can handle it without a problem |
| [21:31:23] | juski: | tavelram: ok then but you'll have to write it yourself |
| [21:31:50] | tavelram: | juski, ok. |
| [21:32:15] | AndyCap: | tavelram: hehe, that adrian guy also says he never actually tried using those 1000 lines. |
| [21:33:32] | tavelram: | juski, i choosed #mythtv-users for my questions because its what i want to use, but otherwise ill just fall back to whatever works. |
| [21:34:30] | tavelram: | AndyCap, indeed, but im fairly sure it works but that it means i get 15625/lines as refresh rate. i havent been playing with the pj for some time now though, and i figured this was a good way to jump-start :p |
| [21:35:16] | tavelram: | at least Ill get a better signal with rgb than with s-vhs |
| [21:35:25] | AndyCap: | tavelram: well, I don't think it will handle video far below 50 hz |
| [21:36:03] | tavelram: | AndyCap, ok, well then its odd that it doesnt give a lower value of lines then. |
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| [21:37:38] | tavelram: | but i should probably be able to hit dvd-resolution if i wont be able to reach 720p/i |
| [21:38:09] | AndyCap: | tavelram: now, unless I'm just tired, it could be they're talking about horisontal resolution when saying 1000 lines |
| [21:38:41] | sphery: | kormoc: those aren't actually identical time zones. PST8PDT is different from US/Pacific so even #5872 won't "fix" the issue for you. You can "see" that they're different with: sha1sum /usr/share/zoneinfo/PST8PDT /usr/share/zoneinfo/US/Pacific |
| [21:38:57] | sphery: | (though that doesn't tell you what differes) |
| [21:39:18] | AndyCap: | tavelram: which would be about right |
| [21:39:21] | tavelram: | well yeah, but probably not. the horisontal resolution is pretty much what i set the pixelclock to (within reason), basedon the number of lines. |
| [21:39:38] | kormoc: | sphery, right you are |
| [21:39:53] | sphery: | kormoc: but, basically, PST8PDT is an oversimplified (non-existent) zone that assumes that time has always used the DST offsets according to rules currently in place in US/Pacific |
| [21:40:00] | kormoc: | sphery, so... thoughts on what to do fix? |
| [21:40:02] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [21:40:10] | tavelram: | AndyCap, you shouldnt underestimate 37Kg of old technology :p |
| [21:40:10] | sphery: | kormoc: US/Pacific actually records the changes |
| [21:40:34] | kormoc: | so my backend is wrong then |
| [21:40:38] | kormoc: | I'll swap that over |
| [21:40:46] | sphery: | kormoc: best fix is to change your 2 boxes to use the same zone, but if you can't change the system config: export TZ='US/Pacific' |
| [21:40:56] | kormoc: | yeah, the OS X box can't change |
| [21:41:00] | kormoc: | but the backend can |
| [21:41:10] | kormoc: | (I actually thought PST8PDT was correct...) |
| [21:41:22] | AndyCap: | tavelram: well, don't fry it, or you'll have a 37kg paperweight. |
| [21:41:22] | sphery: | it's "currently" correct :) |
| [21:41:29] | tavelram: | indeed :) |
| [21:41:54] | tavelram: | im trying to avoid that by trolling freenode :p. |
| [21:42:11] | sphery: | kormoc: but it represents times that have occurred in the past incorrectly, so if you used the different ones, some recordings in those times wouldn't be available from host to host |
| [21:42:34] | kormoc: | that's fine, I have no recordings right now |
| [21:42:40] | sphery: | and it wasn't that long ago that the US changed the rules... (last year?) |
| [21:42:43] | tavelram: | brb |
| [21:43:10] | sphery: | kormoc: want me to put this info on the ticket and close it or you wanna take care of closing it? |
| [21:43:20] | kormoc: | eather way |
| [21:43:50] | sphery: | I'll do it with a bit of an explanation that may help others in similar situations understand why it won't work in Myth. |
| [21:44:12] | sphery: | will be my first closed ticket... I'm glad it was you. :) |
| [21:44:21] | kormoc: | :) |
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| [22:03:08] | lwizardl: | hi |
| [22:04:54] | lwizardl: | I'm going to be installing my mythtv box again today. I've been having issues with tuning in channels |
| [22:06:17] | lwizardl: | anyone here use comcast digital cable with mythtv and able to get all their subscribed channels |
| [22:06:43] | ** kormoc points at xris ** | |
| [22:07:02] | kormoc: | although it likely doesn't help you at all, as Comcast is a franchise and they all are different. |
| [22:08:15] | Hoxzer: | what other proccesses than mythtv backend and Lirc could use a dvb card module ? |
| [22:08:35] | Hoxzer: | kdvb perhaps ? |
| [22:09:33] | lwizardl: | because last time i had mythtv installed all i was getting was a blue screen |
| [22:11:51] | notlistening: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6841 |
| [22:12:02] | notlistening: | that took some putting together |
| [22:12:34] | xris: | lwizardl: firewire? |
| [22:12:38] | xris: | works great in seattle |
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| [22:13:05] | lwizardl: | xris, i have a cable box that has firewire enabled so I could do that |
| [22:13:20] | lwizardl: | but I would like to be able to record multiple shows at a time |
| [22:13:21] | xris: | lwizardl: if it works, that's by FAR the easiest way to record from a cable box |
| [22:13:32] | xris: | you can't do that from a cable box no matter what. |
| [22:14:03] | meshe: | 1 cable box = 1 tuner |
| [22:14:04] | lwizardl: | xris, yeah thats why i was wondering if it could be done with qam support on a pc card |
| [22:14:28] | Hoxzer: | k. Manage to unload all of them with 'make rmmod' in v4l-dvb source dir. After stopping mythtv-backend and lircd |
| [22:14:30] | xris: | lwizardl: depending on your market, you should be able to get some SD channels (and all broadcast HD channels) with clear qam |
| [22:14:36] | xris: | my hdhomerun works great for that |
| [22:15:09] | lwizardl: | xris, other than testing anyway to find out? |
| [22:15:13] | xris: | especially because comcast just turned off encryption for all of the SD channels because their digital to ananlog converters can't deal with encryption (they're eventually turning off all analog, just like the broadcast stations did) |
| [22:15:37] | xris: | lwizardl: http://silicondust.com — they have a "what's available to me" lookup on their site. |
| [22:15:58] | xris: | and I'll happily plug the product. it works well, they're cool guys, *and* they play nice with linux/mythtv developers |
| [22:16:05] | lwizardl: | ok http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . ineup_499333 |
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| [22:16:21] | lwizardl: | everything is 8vsb |
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| [22:18:22] | Shadow__X: | xris: how do they get what channels are available in an area does the hdhr phone home the details |
| [22:18:57] | xris: | Shadow__X: it has a disabled-by-default phone home feature |
| [22:19:23] | xris: | I think the windows/mac versions of the software prompt you to see if you're willing to share. the linux version doesn't. |
| [22:19:53] | xris: | lwizardl: top left corner has a menu to pick provider |
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| [22:20:21] | tjcarter: | hi all |
| [22:20:23] | lwizardl: | yeah battle creek is selected |
| [22:20:32] | xris: | looks like you only get broadcast stations from comcast, although that info may be out of date because the opening up of SD non-broadcast is a slow rollout across the country |
| [22:20:48] | Shadow__X: | xris: ah ok thanks thats a great feature |
| [22:21:09] | xris: | Shadow__X: yeah. I asked how to send data back to them from linux, but they said it wasn't available (yet) |
| [22:21:14] | tjcarter: | don't suppose there's anybody here from Portland, Oregon by chance? |
| [22:21:15] | lwizardl: | but if i select bedford township it shows qam256 |
| [22:21:42] | xris: | tjcarter: sorry, about 180 miles too far north |
| [22:21:51] | tjcarter: | I know you are xris =D |
| [22:21:54] | xris: | lwizardl: notice "broadcast" vs "comcast" |
| [22:22:04] | tjcarter: | xris: I'm moving! =D |
| [22:22:21] | lwizardl: | xris, ah i see that |
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| [22:22:34] | xris: | tjcarter: new job/school in portland? |
| [22:22:51] | tjcarter: | xris: something like that |
| [22:22:51] | xris: | lwizardl: so that gives you an idea that you can at least pick up *some* stuff with clearqAM |
| [22:23:03] | lwizardl: | yeah |
| [22:23:06] | tjcarter: | xris: Kicking my current university to the curb in the near future |
| [22:23:11] | xris: | ah |
| [22:23:27] | tjcarter: | The question is, if I'm moving, I need services in Portland |
| [22:23:53] | tjcarter: | So what's the cable situation like in Portland? |
| [22:23:54] | xris: | I know a few pgsql people in portland. kormoc might know them better, tho |
| [22:24:06] | xris: | not sure if any of them use mythtv, though |
| [22:24:08] | tjcarter: | I figure that Verizon will suck |
| [22:24:47] | Shadow__X: | dont be so sure |
| [22:25:15] | Shadow__X: | apprently some people have gotten a thing or two through fios tv |
| [22:25:23] | Shadow__X: | so i would say the best way ti know is to check |
| [22:25:33] | tjcarter: | ... |
| [22:26:01] | tjcarter: | "Hi, Verizon, do you make it easy to get lots of stuff into my MythTV box?" |
| [22:26:05] | tjcarter: | "Your what?" |
| [22:26:18] | Shadow__X: | or can i get stuff off of firewire |
| [22:26:53] | notlistening: | oh the sarcasm |
| [22:27:00] | gbee: | heh, well lots of people have actually had success in the past by just asking, it's a question of speaking to the right people though, mostly you want the technical peeps not support |
| [22:27:10] | tjcarter: | right |
| [22:27:15] | xris: | j-rod might know something about fios tv, although he's in boston. |
| [22:27:31] | tjcarter: | I'm told that Comcast is usually workable |
| [22:27:31] | xris: | ....via firewire |
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| [22:27:36] | Shadow__X: | ultimately you will need to get a hdpvr if you want premiums |
| [22:27:38] | xris: | tjcarter: depends on your local franchise. |
| [22:27:42] | j-rod: | yes, fiostv here, get stuff off firewire just fine |
| [22:28:07] | Shadow__X: | tjcarter: i have comcast an am on the east coast i get all the channels sans premiums |
| [22:28:10] | Shadow__X: | over firewire |
| [22:28:22] | j-rod: | I don't get all channels |
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| [22:28:40] | j-rod: | most of the HD ones though, including HBO and Showtime |
| [22:28:49] | tjcarter: | I think xris is right, I'm going to have to find someone in Portland |
| [22:29:04] | tjcarter: | someone who either uses it or knows |
| [22:29:11] | xris: | tjcarter: check the wiki? |
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| [22:29:40] | tjcarter: | I know about 3 wiki's, which one? =D |
| [22:29:56] | j-rod: | mythtv.org/wiki/ |
| [22:30:53] | tjcarter: | okay, main site wiki |
| [22:32:08] | tjcarter: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Firewire_Cable_Box_Compatibility says some 5c in Portland, including PBS for some reason |
| [22:33:08] | tjcarter: | report's 2 years old |
| [22:33:23] | tjcarter: | but that's a start |
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| [22:36:16] | tjcarter: | there's a MUG listed as well, but the links are broken |
| [22:36:46] | lwizardl: | tjcarter, thanks for that link i used it to check on my box |
| [22:37:39] | xris: | lwizardl: what kind of cable box? |
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| [22:37:54] | lwizardl: | motorola DCT6200 |
| [22:38:33] | Wicked: | hey guys. im currently using mythvideo-scanner.pl to grab video information...but ive been told to use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl instead....will this conflict with the other script? |
| [22:38:34] | lwizardl: | mine has 2 firewire ports on the back, and when i enter the access menu on the box they are both active |
| [22:38:50] | tjcarter: | oh yeah, the DCT6200 almost always works fine |
| [22:38:55] | Wicked: | can i wipe out the old info? or should i wipe out the old info? |
| [22:39:31] | lwizardl: | now I just hope that my firewire addon card is supported in linux |
| [22:39:34] | tjcarter: | realizing the 6200 is just a box and it can run whatever software they put on it--but the software that almost always gets used basically works |
| [22:39:41] | xris: | lwizardl: if it's a 6200, the 2 ports are just for convenience. I use the second as a passthrough to a second box |
| [22:40:37] | lwizardl: | xris, k. I know when the installer came he enabled the ports for me and told me how to keep checking that they was enabled in case they get shut off from home office |
| [22:41:30] | tjcarter: | how stable is firewire recording these days? |
| [22:41:56] | GreyFoxx: | works great for me up until I returned my stb last week :) |
| [22:42:12] | lwizardl: | i told him i was going to use them for recording shows |
| [22:42:32] | tjcarter: | It kinda worked with my SA3250HD |
| [22:42:55] | GreyFoxx: | I I had a 6200 |
| [22:43:26] | meshe: | GreyFoxx: decided to lower the cash vacuum that rogers has on you? |
| [22:43:26] | Shadow__X: | i currently have a 6200 and it works flawlessly (knocks on wood) |
| [22:43:41] | GreyFoxx: | Eastlink, but yeah |
| [22:43:47] | meshe: | ahh |
| [22:43:49] | Shadow__X: | prior to that i had a 3200 and that worked great too except it was a faulty box |
| [22:43:55] | GreyFoxx: | I can get starchoice with more hd channels for a lot less |
| [22:44:01] | GreyFoxx: | and record via an hdpvr |
| [22:44:02] | Shadow__X: | so if you dont count the actual box being faulty it wsa great |
| [22:44:09] | GreyFoxx: | but for now I'll live with regular cable |
| [22:44:26] | meshe: | GreyFoxx: yeah, i much preferred satt when i had the choice |
| [22:44:39] | GreyFoxx: | no monthly stb fee |
| [22:44:43] | GreyFoxx: | and many more hd channels |
| [22:45:14] | GreyFoxx: | and I know the company that installs them throughout NS and they will give me free stbs |
| [22:45:22] | meshe: | nice |
| [22:45:32] | GreyFoxx: | so more recording sources that will onlycost me the hdpvr/whatever cost |
| [22:45:48] | meshe: | we paid like $150 for our bell dish and 2 stbs |
| [22:46:02] | meshe: | that was SD though |
| [22:46:09] | GreyFoxx: | It's like $34 a month, and you can have up to 4/6 stb's on your account |
| [22:46:18] | GreyFoxx: | includes 28 or so hdtv channels |
| [22:46:23] | meshe: | nice |
| [22:46:28] | GreyFoxx: | some are timeshifted versions of the others |
| [22:46:44] | GreyFoxx: | overall it's a much better deal |
| [22:46:49] | GreyFoxx: | only downside is no firewire :) |
| [22:47:07] | meshe: | yeah, that was one of the things i loved about satt, was the timeshifting (was my pre-myth days) |
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| [22:53:16] | xris: | lwizardl: that's nice... my installer didn't even know the boxes *had* firewire ports, or what they might be used for |
| [22:53:25] | xris: | they're required by law to be enabled, though |
| [22:54:15] | lwizardl: | xris, hehe my installer seen my anime collection and we was talking about where we download the fansubs online and how much we hate american dubbed anime |
| [22:54:46] | lwizardl: | probably the only comcast person i have ever liked |
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| [22:58:00] | xris: | heh |
| [22:59:20] | gbee: | anyone else think that Google's logo today was a bomb? At least on first sight? |
| [23:01:12] | gbee: | half made bomb, bundle of wires attached to a stick of explosive, with a clock timer and nail contact |
| [23:01:29] | Wicked: | not sure i noticed a new logo |
| [23:01:34] | Wicked: | its not there anymore |
| [23:01:51] | gbee: | of course on closer inspection you can see that it's a battery, with wire wrapped around the nail next to a compass |
| [23:02:01] | xris: | Wicked: he's into tomorrow already |
| [23:02:06] | Wicked: | ah |
| [23:02:18] | tank-man: | electo magnet |
| [23:02:32] | Wicked: | hmm on http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl it says it installs to the scripts directory of mythtv...i dont seem to have either of those directories |
| [23:02:57] | gbee: | equally possible that you are just being culturally deprived in the US since it's to mark the birthday of a European scientist :) |
| [23:03:00] | Wicked: | i have the directory /usr/local/share/mythtv/ but no scripts sub dir. should i just create the directory? |
| [23:03:12] | Wicked: | lol |
| [23:03:17] | gbee: | we get all sorts of regional variations in the Google logo |
| [23:04:24] | Wicked: | ah nm i think i found the correct dir |
| [23:04:56] | gbee: | St. George's day, St. David's day, competition winner designs from UK primary schools, anniversary of Kew Gardens etc |
| [23:05:36] | Wicked: | ah |
| [23:06:08] | Wicked: | well its only 7pm on the 13th here. not sure if it will change over for us |
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| [23:07:35] | Wicked: | hmm this may sound like a dumb question...but i installed that tmdb.pl script according to the wiki entry...but it does not explain how to use it |
| [23:07:51] | Wicked: | how exactly so i invoke it? from a command line? or from inside mythtv? |
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| [23:08:19] | jduggan: | people know st davids day? wow, i'm impressed :D |
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| [23:15:34] | kormoc: | jduggan, why? David is a fairly important Saint |
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| [23:15:46] | laga_: | elvisthedj: try the boxee channel ;) |
| [23:15:58] | jduggan: | kormoc: heh |
| [23:16:12] | jduggan: | patron saint of a country which most people dont consider important :) |
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| [23:16:52] | kormoc: | He happened to have the most superfluous miracle I've ever heard of :) |
| [23:18:02] | ** xris wonders how boxee got silverlight running in linux ** | |
| [23:18:47] | kormoc: | xris, http://www.mono-project.com/Moonlight |
| [23:21:01] | Wicked: | hmm. i cant figure out how to use this tmdb.pl script. |
| [23:21:04] | xris: | kormoc: didn't know it played video |
| [23:24:37] | xris: | or netflix video |
| [23:24:38] | xris: | may have to test this out at home. that could be nice. |
| [23:26:51] | kormoc: | yeah, they paid money to MS to get it licensed |
| [23:28:32] | xris: | ah. nice to have funding that way |
| [23:29:00] | janneg: | hmm, I've changed mythvideo to storage groups and all videos vanished |
| [23:34:27] | jams: | janneg http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/21206 |
| [23:35:00] | jams: | it might be related to that |
| [23:37:49] | Wicked: | hmm ok so if i goto the video manager i can hit i on a movie and it will search and try and get info...this is very tedious...can you run it to auto grab stuff for everything? |
| [23:37:57] | janneg: | the Videos SG has the same dir as the mythvideo directory was. I've deleted all mythvideo dir entries |
| [23:39:22] | janneg: | the backend -v file finds the video files, but there's nothing in mythvideo |
| [23:40:06] | iamlindoro: | janneg, Sure it's not just that they don't appear since they have no metadata? |
| [23:40:12] | iamlindoro: | ie, if you're using graphite, try the arrow keys |
| [23:41:06] | iamlindoro: | (or list view) |
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| [23:41:50] | janneg: | terra, and I tried all views |
| [23:41:53] | iamlindoro: | oh, and if you're using file browser view, that won't work w/ SGs yet |
| [23:42:09] | iamlindoro: | so you may need to switch that off |
| [23:43:54] | Wicked: | damn i dont think there is a way to use tmdb.pl to batch update :( |
| [23:44:04] | Wicked: | ....this will be....tedious |
| [23:44:13] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is not capable of batch update |
| [23:44:15] | iamlindoro: | or just wait for like five minutes for .22 |
| [23:44:27] | wagnerrp: | eh? |
| [23:44:30] | iamlindoro: | where you can reset all your metadata and use the new keybinding to get it fast fast |
| [23:44:37] | d00gle: | Are any of the devs invovled with the S2API patch around ? |
| [23:44:39] | iamlindoro: | still not batch update, but wayyyyy faster than .21 |
| [23:44:48] | wagnerrp: | five minutes? |
| [23:44:56] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, hyperbole |
| [23:44:58] | Wicked: | yea 5 mins! |
| [23:45:00] | Wicked: | lol |
| [23:45:07] | Wicked: | dont tease us! |
| [23:45:10] | iamlindoro: | Though a couple weeks isn't outside the realm of possibility |
| [23:45:24] | janneg: | iamlindoro: all the video ... browses files are deactivated |
| [23:45:28] | janneg: | d00gle: sure |
| [23:45:35] | d00gle: | Hi janneg |
| [23:45:50] | d00gle: | i've been following the patches on the 5882 ticket for a while now |
| [23:46:02] | iamlindoro: | janneg, Well that's weird-- and you exited and let the cache die before going back in after your scan? |
| [23:46:07] | iamlindoro: | (I'm sure you did, just checking) |
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| [23:46:29] | d00gle: | and have never had success with getting lock when scanning DVB-S2 channels using my Nova-HD-S2 |
| [23:46:41] | janneg: | yeah, restarted frontend and backend multiple times |
| [23:46:43] | d00gle: | I've noticed your recent patches and the conversations on the DEV list |
| [23:46:51] | Wicked: | anyone know if the tmdb can get pics for the folders the video is in? so in the main video manager when looking through movies the folder has the poster on it? |
| [23:47:03] | iamlindoro: | janneg, can you select * from videometadata limit 1; so I can see? |
| [23:47:05] | d00gle: | and tonight have noticed that if I first scan-s2 or szap-s2 to a transponder |
| [23:47:22] | d00gle: | Myth will then lock to channels on that transponder, but not get lock on other transponders |
| [23:47:23] | janneg: | d00gle: the patch from last week was buggy |
| [23:47:28] | Wicked: | right now i have my videos like "/path/to/movies/12.Monkeys/12.monkeys.avi" |
| [23:47:48] | d00gle: | Yeh, i'm using t5882_s2api_support_21234.diff at present |
| [23:47:54] | d00gle: | against revision 21234 |
| [23:48:02] | d00gle: | same behaviour still |
| [23:48:50] | d00gle: | I havn't tried t5882_s2api_support_21249.diff yet as I guessed that was only updating to support past revisions 21249 |
| [23:48:55] | Wicked: | like im not sure what the option -B <movieid> get movie backdrop does...apposed to -P <movieid> get movie poster |
| [23:48:59] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, in .21 you can put a file called folder.jpg in the folder for it to appear as the icon for that folder |
| [23:49:18] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, in .22 if you don't have that file, but there's a poster on the movie inside, the folder will get the movie's poster automatically |
| [23:49:36] | janneg: | iamlindoro: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1528756 |
| [23:49:37] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, Don't worry about backdrops, you can't use them in .21 anyway |
| [23:49:54] | Wicked: | ah |
| [23:50:01] | Wicked: | ok. thanks for the info :) |
| [23:50:01] | d00gle: | I managed to get all of the transponders and channels scanned in mythtv-setup by locking to a channel on that transponder first with szap-s2 |
| [23:50:11] | iamlindoro: | janneg, sure *looks* like it should be showing up |
| [23:50:27] | iamlindoro: | janneg, I'm betting it's a frontend problem... do you have flat mode toggled on? |
| [23:51:32] | iamlindoro: | and if it's very recent trunk, can you do "Browse By..." Folder |
| [23:52:59] | iamlindoro: | curious what the frontend logs look like when you enter mythvideo |
| [23:53:04] | janneg: | iamlindoro: already tried toggling that. I'm at [21257] and it use browse by folder |
| [23:54:04] | d00gle: | janneg: is there any logs I can provide to help ? |
| [23:54:19] | Wicked: | hmm now about tv seasons ive ripped from dvd? this tmdb.pl does not seem to work for finding info on tv shows. |
| [23:54:56] | iamlindoro: | Wicked, no, it doesn't do TV shows. .22 has a TV grabber script that will be used automatically assuming you've named your episodes in some sane manner (and rescan w/ 22) |
| [23:55:13] | Wicked: | ah |
| [23:55:25] | Wicked: | ok. i really cannot wait for .22...... |
| [23:55:39] | iamlindoro: | note janneg's pastebin above-- his file is sanely named, so all the right information went to the right spots for seas/episode/title/subtitle |
| [23:55:44] | Wicked: | the more i hear about it...the more i grow inpatient ;0 |
| [23:55:54] | janneg: | iamlindoro: lots of of "unable to find mv_gallery_dir.png" see #mythtv |
| [23:56:07] | Wicked: | ah yea. that was a pita naming all the files correctly |
| [23:56:16] | iamlindoro: | janneg, any chance you would swap to Graphite for a second and eliminate a theme issue? |
| [23:56:16] | Wicked: | i had to do that with the mythvvideo-scanner script |
| [23:56:37] | iamlindoro: | janneg, As that should be all self contained |
| [23:56:38] | janneg: | and a "failed to scan %1" |
| [23:56:58] | iamlindoro: | failed to scan %1 should only show up in file browse mode |
| [23:57:11] | iamlindoro: | and being in file browse mode will give you what you have |
| [23:57:14] | iamlindoro: | so I'd say you're stuck in it somehow |
| [23:57:51] | iamlindoro: | But swapping it works here with unmodified trunk, so I'm not sure why it's not working for you |
| [23:58:12] | Wicked: | how easy are you guys gonna make it migrate to .22? |
| [23:58:24] | Wicked: | will there be alot of things a user has to do beforehand? |
| [23:58:29] | iamlindoro: | As easy as any inter version update in Myth |
| [23:58:42] | Wicked: | heh. ive only used .21 in my lifetime ;0 |
| [23:58:53] | Wicked: | so im not at all familar with upgrading it |
| [23:59:09] | iamlindoro: | As long as you haven't messed with your DB or used a bunch of promiscuous scripts, upgrading should be easy |
| [23:59:27] | iamlindoro: | but as it seems you've been running a bunch of scripts, at least one of which I *know* inserts bad data, you might be in for an adventure |
| [23:59:31] | Shadow__X: | all those naughty scrips out there |
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