| Friday, August 7th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:08] | sphery: | mazda01: the lack of SG's is fine... you'll do that after the restore |
| [00:00:15] | sphery: | you need to make sure he backend isn't running |
| [00:00:21] | sphery: | then do the partial restore |
| [00:01:16] | mazda01: | sphery, was it bad that the backend started up after I exited mythtv-setup? |
| [00:02:07] | sphery: | most likely not |
| [00:02:22] | sphery: | really, starting either the backend or mythtv-setup should create the DB for you |
| [00:02:28] | mazda01: | so now I run mythconverg_restore.pl --change_hostname --old_hostname="XXXX" --new_hostname="YYYY" 2 times, one for celeron and one for core2duo, correct? |
| [00:02:45] | sphery: | did you do the restore, yet? |
| [00:02:46] | sphery: | that's first |
| [00:02:53] | sphery: | --partial_restore |
| [00:03:19] | mazda01: | sphery, nope, glad I asked. first the pasrtial retore, then the hostname change. got it. |
| [00:03:31] | sphery: | yep |
| [00:03:44] | sphery: | otherwise you don't have the bad data to change, yet :) |
| [00:04:01] | mazda01: | sphery, makes sense |
| [00:04:48] | mazda01: | oops. i see this, "In addition to the preparation mentioned above, you must start mythbackend (you may do this instead of starting mythtv-setup) and mythfrontend to ensure all the plugin tables are created and then exit mythfrontend and mythbackend before performing the restore: " should I have started up each frontend? |
| [00:05:10] | sphery: | mazda01: that's only for the --with_plugin_data option |
| [00:05:21] | sphery: | you don't do that if not getting plugin data |
| [00:05:26] | sphery: | and you don't want plugin data |
| [00:05:38] | mazda01: | sphery, well I use mytharchieve, mythweb, and many other plugins. is this going to matter? |
| [00:05:50] | sphery: | no, they will re-create their data for you |
| [00:06:03] | mazda01: | sphery, well I already ran the --partial_restore and it said it was successful. now for the hostnames changes? |
| [00:06:12] | sphery: | if you had a ton of mythvideo movies for which you had done searches to import metadata, you'll have to do that again, but it's not a problem |
| [00:06:25] | sphery: | mazda01: and you did the --partial_restore without --with_plugin_data |
| [00:06:41] | mazda01: | sphery, yes, i did NOT use the --with_plugin_data |
| [00:06:47] | sphery: | then go for the --change_hostname 2x |
| [00:06:56] | mazda01: | ok, here goes |
| [00:07:37] | mazda01: | sphery, ok, it said successfully changed hostname both times i ran it. |
| [00:08:01] | sphery: | great |
| [00:08:09] | sphery: | now time to re-configure in mythtv-setup |
| [00:08:15] | sphery: | then start mythbackend |
| [00:08:21] | mazda01: | sphery, so I should be good now. i can go intto mythtv-setup and config everything? |
| [00:08:26] | mazda01: | AWESOME. thanks |
| [00:08:27] | sphery: | then configure remote backends and frontends |
| [00:08:42] | mazda01: | i'll post back how it goes and see if I can then run mytharchieve from one of my remote frontendsa |
| [00:09:26] | sphery: | again, just make sure that the absolute paths are identical on all hosts (i.e. if you export /srv/mythtv/recordings on the master, then mount it at /srv/mythtv/recordings on all other hosts) |
| [00:10:06] | mazda01: | sphery, yeap, got it. have been doing that all along |
| [00:11:36] | ** iamlindoro idly wonders if kormoc has any designs on committing Jamu now that all the shinies are in MythVideo ** | |
| [00:13:34] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, was planning on it as soon as RDV_Linux was happy |
| [00:13:58] | iamlindoro: | Know that he just uploaded a version today, but whether he's happy or not... well, he'll have to answer that :) |
| [00:14:13] | sphery: | don't you hate it when you're watching a movie that you're pretty sure you've seen but that you don't remember all that well and you're trying to decide if you should just delete it or re-watch it at high timestretch... |
| [00:17:24] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: The latest version was required solely due to Jamu not being compatible with the improvements made ti tvdb_api bundling for the ttvdb.py commit. I just had to adjust Jamu for that change. Now if SG's are not going to be released with 0,22 then Jamu could be committed. If SG's for Videos (at least) is going to be included in 0.22 then Jamu should be updated. |
| [00:17:38] | RDV_Linux: | so you guys tell me:) |
| [00:18:30] | kormoc: | heh, I wish I knew |
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| [00:19:20] | sphery: | could be committed and the SG support added if appropriate, later |
| [00:19:43] | kormoc: | sphery, it seems silly to me to commit the non-SG supported one when -trunk currently has SG support |
| [00:19:59] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux, how hard would it be to remove SG support later if it does get removed from -trunk? |
| [00:20:01] | sphery: | guess that makes sense |
| [00:24:05] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: Even though I have the SG support coded for Jamu (plus a MythVideo.py bindings SG update) it has not been tested. The testing will take me probably a week or a little more. So for me it is not a question of removing the feature as I would just implement it with an easy on/off switch, it is the time to complete testing. What is your % SG included in 0.22 guess? |
| [00:24:43] | mazda01: | sphery, i am running mythfilldatabase now. the second time I ran mythtv-setup, i didn't see any errors this time. |
| [00:25:18] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: I am trying to get a new utility out the door by early next week but after I could start the Jamu SG testing. |
| [00:26:36] | mazda01: | sphery, i had to redefine my sources this time where as last time I did this they were still there. i think because last time some one tried to help me to do a full restrore and then do a mysql command that changed the recorded table from hostname core2duo to hostname dell. they helped me clear out settings also so I am not sure why this didn't work before. waiting for mythfilldatabase to finish to then start up frontends |
| [00:27:33] | sphery: | yeah, this got rid of everything except recordings and recording rules |
| [00:28:34] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux, right now, it's 50/50 imho |
| [00:28:54] | mazda01: | sphery, ok. can't wait for mythfilldatabase to end so i can fire up mythweb and mythfrontends to see if everything is ok |
| [00:30:51] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: Ok then once I release the new utility then I will do the Jamu SG testing. The new utility is fully SG capable as can be confirmed by iamlindoro so have some practical experience which should help. |
| [00:31:03] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
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| [01:18:02] | android6011: | I setup 2 tuners, an analog cable and an over the air digital. but only the over the air digital channels show up when i go to watch tv |
| [01:18:15] | android6011: | 56 |
| [01:18:29] | android6011: | oops |
| [01:18:58] | android6011: | hidden ir receiver in laptop :/ . but when i try to go to a channel, say 56, its just a black screen |
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| [01:21:19] | aarons_: | geez, i wish i could run a mythtv backend under vmware |
| [01:21:32] | android6011: | aarons_: same here |
| [01:21:44] | kormoc: | you can, just have limited capture choices |
| [01:21:52] | aarons_: | yeah, you need USB |
| [01:21:59] | kormoc: | or network |
| [01:21:59] | aarons_: | which is upsetting |
| [01:24:29] | aarons_: | somthign like the HD homerun, which unfortunaly, i dont have HD yet |
| [01:24:30] | ** kormoc personally sees no reason why to virtualize a backend ** | |
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| [01:24:30] | aarons_: | i do |
| [01:24:42] | aarons_: | to conserve power, and save space |
| [01:24:49] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [01:24:59] | aarons_: | i have a poweredge 1600sc with dual xenon 2.8 GHz processor |
| [01:25:05] | aarons_: | im going to virtualize as much as possible |
| [01:25:34] | kormoc: | so... you're going to increase power usage by decreasing efficiency to save power? |
| [01:25:49] | aarons_: | what? |
| [01:26:14] | aarons_: | by using one computer to replace multiple computers, and still achieve the same capibility, its going to save power |
| [01:26:21] | kormoc: | there's overhead with virtual environments, it uses up a fair bit of resources to keep them seperate... |
| [01:26:32] | kormoc: | or you could just run it as a service on the direct hardware itself... |
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| [01:33:16] | kormoc: | and really, a few newer computers with improved power management runs circles around older ones like the 1600sc |
| [01:35:59] | sphery: | but, but, <insert pundit name here> says virtualization saves power! |
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| [01:36:40] | kormoc: | sphery, Especially with older p4 era xeons without any hardware virt support! |
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| [01:44:48] | aarons_: | virtualization does save power, despite the fact the server uses more elextircity, its less then what the prvious 5 computers used all to use |
| [01:46:13] | kormoc: | or you could save more by not virtualizing the mythbackend and installing it directly on the hardware and have it share with the rest of the services.... |
| [01:46:54] | kormoc: | and get more system resources free for using to boot! |
| [01:47:13] | kormoc: | consolidation saves power, virtualization does not. |
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| [01:47:29] | kormoc: | but hey, it's only reality setting the rules |
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| [01:49:57] | Shadow__X: | but thats thinking rationally ;) |
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| [01:51:49] | McNever: | hey guys... looking for some more help |
| [01:52:21] | McNever: | got choppy HD video... live and playback |
| [01:52:33] | McNever: | http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f6cdde917 |
| [01:53:11] | Shadow__X: | McNever: do tell what are you frontends cpu and gpu |
| [01:53:35] | McNever: | Zotac IONITX-C-U |
| [01:53:35] | McNever: | 2 Gig of Ram |
| [01:53:35] | McNever: | 8 Gig CP to Sata HD |
| [01:53:54] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [01:54:01] | kormoc: | 8 Gig CP to Sata? |
| [01:54:06] | Shadow__X: | also it seems like the mpeg2 recording is damaged but i dont know much of that |
| [01:54:15] | McNever: | http://www.zotacusa.com/zotac-ionitx-c-u-atom . . . erboard.html |
| [01:54:40] | McNever: | could be a cable thing... cable in this house sux... could that cause it to be choppy? |
| [01:54:45] | McNever: | or would it just be tiled? |
| [01:54:57] | kormoc: | McNever, or it's cause it's a Atom processor? |
| [01:55:06] | McNever: | its a compact flash to Sata adapted |
| [01:55:25] | kormoc: | I've only seen compact flash as CF, never CP |
| [01:55:35] | kormoc: | you're not going to get HD out of that sucker with VDPAU imho |
| [01:55:59] | kormoc: | given the whole, 2 ghz is the recommended minimum of a full desktop processor for HD and the atom isn't a full desktop processor by any means |
| [01:56:17] | McNever: | i read a dude was doing with this board before i got it... that sux |
| [01:56:25] | kormoc: | sure, with VDPAU |
| [01:56:26] | Shadow__X: | kormoc: atom is to slow even with gpu offloading or given the nature how unsuccesful vdpau is |
| [01:56:39] | kormoc: | shadash, unsuccessful? |
| [01:56:41] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [01:56:59] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, I don't consider 5% cpu usage on a 13.5 mbit h264 recording unsuccessful |
| [01:57:07] | Shadow__X: | unsuccessful isnt the word |
| [01:57:18] | McNever: | so its hardware limit huh... |
| [01:57:18] | Shadow__X: | picky is more like it |
| [01:57:29] | kormoc: | McNever, wait for 0.22 and it should get better, as 0.22 will have VDPAU support |
| [01:57:36] | Shadow__X: | or unreliable maybe? |
| [01:57:50] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, depends on your source material, hdpvr's are perfect |
| [01:57:52] | McNever: | eta for 0.22? |
| [01:57:59] | Shadow__X: | when its ready |
| [01:58:07] | kormoc: | McNever, 'soon' so a month to a few months |
| [01:58:24] | Shadow__X: | when the gods of thundera say it is so |
| [01:58:34] | McNever: | so whats the 'suggested' hardware for a silent HD frontend? |
| [01:58:44] | kormoc: | McNever, imho, a mac mini |
| [01:58:50] | McNever: | stupid gods of thunder |
| [01:58:58] | kormoc: | it's not silent, but extremely close |
| [01:59:07] | Shadow__X: | kormoc: so hdpvr is great but lets say a 1080i firewire capture would that run as smoothly with vdpau |
| [01:59:22] | Shadow__X: | mac mini is great hardware all around in a small footprint |
| [01:59:22] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, depends on the source, most of the time, yes |
| [01:59:26] | McNever: | honestly i could care less about the silent really... i guess |
| [02:00:26] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, the main issues with VDPAU is more broken encodes or bad OTA signals, that's rare to happen off of cable boxes imho |
| [02:01:11] | Shadow__X: | yeah i agree but i do record a decent amount from qam and i do have video glitches every once in awhile |
| [02:01:19] | Shadow__X: | so that would i guess just fail on vdpau |
| [02:01:36] | Shadow__X: | as i have been reading it isnt as forgiving with that stuff as the software is |
| [02:01:38] | kormoc: | why don't you try it out before failing the technology? |
| [02:01:47] | kormoc: | no, but it's been getting better ever driver release |
| [02:02:02] | Shadow__X: | oh ok great i was just about to ask that |
| [02:02:10] | Shadow__X: | well improvement is always good |
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| [02:03:00] | kormoc: | As lower and lower power computers take to the market, it'll become more and more important |
| [02:03:01] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [02:03:04] | kormoc: | anyway, I'm off |
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| [02:03:32] | brad2: | i'm definitely pleased with vdpau for hdpvr stuff |
| [02:03:42] | McNever: | i'm just reading about vdpau.... |
| [02:03:44] | brad2: | my comp could never handle it without vdpau, but not its pretty smooth |
| [02:03:51] | brad2: | err |
| [02:03:54] | brad2: | now it's pretty smooth |
| [02:03:59] | McNever: | so it sounds like the system isn't offloading to gpu? |
| [02:04:25] | brad2: | mcnever: you can check your mythfrontend logs |
| [02:04:32] | brad2: | and it should tell you whether it used vdpau or not |
| [02:04:41] | brad2: | you also have to pick vdpau in your playback settings |
| [02:04:48] | brad2: | instead of xvblitz (or something like that) |
| [02:05:14] | McNever: | http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f6cdde917 |
| [02:05:17] | McNever: | logs are there |
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| [02:07:23] | brad2: | did you set your decoder to be vdpau in your playback settings? |
| [02:07:42] | McNever: | i'm looking through trying to find that in the setting now |
| [02:07:56] | brad2: | one sec, let me go find where it is |
| [02:08:02] | brad2: | also what vid card do you have? |
| [02:08:50] | brad2: | setup --> tv settings --> playback |
| [02:08:52] | brad2: | third screen |
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| [02:08:59] | Shadow__X: | McNever: what version of mythtv are you running |
| [02:09:13] | brad2: | also i feel the need to warn you, i am probably the least knowledgable mythtv person in the whole chan :> |
| [02:09:40] | McNever: | haha... 2nd least... i'm here |
| [02:09:46] | Shadow__X: | McNever: as kormoc suggested wait until .22 and it will support vdpau |
| [02:09:49] | McNever: | mythbuntu 9.04 |
| [02:09:56] | Shadow__X: | its not supported in .21 |
| [02:10:01] | brad2: | ahh i never even thought to ask that |
| [02:10:04] | brad2: | good call shadow |
| [02:10:07] | brad2: | i'm going to go back to being quiet |
| [02:10:08] | brad2: | haha |
| [02:10:22] | McNever: | yeah sorry... i thought you saw the conversatoin... |
| [02:10:39] | Shadow__X: | McNever: just wait until .22 and vdpau will be supported |
| [02:11:03] | Shadow__X: | as of right now you kinda just have to deal with choppy hd |
| [02:11:23] | Shadow__X: | your cpu is too weak for hd but in .22 it will be fine |
| [02:11:30] | Shadow__X: | so best advice is to wait for that |
| [02:11:35] | Shadow__X: | and just not watch hd right now |
| [02:11:41] | Shadow__X: | or deal with choppy playback |
| [02:11:59] | McNever: | is there a way tell the backend to record it down sampled until then? |
| [02:12:56] | Shadow__X: | McNever: there are transcodes that you can tell it to transcode it down |
| [02:13:16] | McNever: | actually... i'd rather not fuck with it... just upgrade when it... i'd rather not f*ck up the setu |
| [02:13:57] | Shadow__X: | language |
| [02:14:24] | McNever: | i'm getting about a 100ms glitch ever second or so... mayb i'll just train myself to sleep while thats happening and stop sleeping at night |
| [02:14:38] | McNever: | sorry... at least i *'d it out ;) |
| [02:15:39] | McNever: | battery dien... thanks guys |
| [02:16:27] | Shadow__X: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-10.html#ss10.5 |
| [02:16:49] | Shadow__X: | check that out you can setup transcode jobs to make them playable |
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| [02:30:18] | tmkt_: | ola |
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| [02:31:29] | chris99_: | Anyone know if there is a reason why the internal player will just skip ahead or back on it's own? |
| [02:32:27] | tmkt: | No |
| [02:32:30] | tmkt: | that is just crazy |
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| [02:36:18] | android6011: | when i go to watch tv, all im getting is a black screen an no sound |
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| [02:57:03] | sphery: | chris99_: you've enabled automatic commercial skip |
| [02:57:25] | sphery: | chris99_: or you have an IR remote and your receiver is picking up interference from lights or something |
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| [03:03:24] | chris99_: | sorry walked away for a sec |
| [03:04:15] | chris99_: | I have an extra receiver I will try it, but not sure what could cause it. It's a MCE remote and IR. |
| [03:04:41] | sphery: | changing the receiver likely won't help |
| [03:04:41] | chris99_: | Interference that is |
| [03:04:51] | sphery: | lights or other stuff can cause it |
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| [03:05:38] | chris99_: | You know thing about it I have a wireless mouse on it right now. I wounder if maybe that might be it. |
| [03:05:45] | chris99_: | thinking that is |
| [03:07:08] | chris99_: | Thanks sphery I going to go and take the mouse off the computer now and see if that might be my problem. |
| [03:09:28] | wagnerrp: | why do people keep wanting to run crap under vmware...? |
| [03:14:09] | sphery: | because it saves power and saves money! |
| [03:14:17] | sphery: | the marketing brochures say so. |
| [03:14:32] | android6011: | http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/m24c3ed51 |
| [03:14:33] | sphery: | iamlindoro: did you see the article about Jay's show: http://www.tv.com/story/17120.html?tag=person . . . news;title;1 |
| [03:14:42] | wagnerrp: | i really wonder why containers arent more common |
| [03:14:58] | wagnerrp: | isolated sandboxes and the like |
| [03:15:06] | wagnerrp: | in lieu of full virtualization |
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| [03:33:29] | android6011: | these are full logs, anyone see reason for black screen http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/fa554ef9 |
| [03:35:37] | sphery: | android6011: first, change your playback profile group from CPU+ to Slim |
| [03:35:49] | android6011: | sphery: where do i do that |
| [03:36:15] | sphery: | in Utilities/Setup|TV Settings|TV Playback |
| [03:36:18] | sphery: | 3rd page |
| [03:36:41] | sphery: | 2nd, it looks like you have a serious problem with your bttv card or drivers |
| [03:37:16] | sphery: | and possibly some problems in your channel configuration for DVB |
| [03:37:16] | android6011: | ya its my bttv card thats acting up |
| [03:38:09] | android6011: | ya, my machine is a mess |
| [03:38:18] | android6011: | i just want to get analog working on the bttv card first |
| [03:39:13] | sphery: | if that's the case, and the dvb stuff isn't working outside of Myth, you're better off not defining it in Myth, yet |
| [03:39:34] | sphery: | it can actually cause problems just being there if it's nonfunctional |
| [03:40:04] | sphery: | I'd recommend: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [03:40:12] | sphery: | then define only the stuff that works outside of Myth |
| [03:40:14] | thedarkone: | sphery that sb card was junk |
| [03:40:40] | android6011: | I have dvb stuff working fine |
| [03:40:41] | sphery: | once you get it all working, re-delete-all and then connect inputs in the order of preference |
| [03:40:56] | sphery: | ok... the out of range stuff looked bad |
| [03:41:10] | sphery: | thedarkone: going with the external script or softvol hack? |
| [03:41:16] | sphery: | (or new card) |
| [03:41:32] | thedarkone: | new card |
| [03:41:40] | sphery: | btw, which caed was it |
| [03:41:45] | sphery: | card |
| [03:41:50] | thedarkone: | sb 5024 |
| [03:42:19] | thedarkone: | known as sound blaster 24bit live |
| [03:43:07] | sphery: | ah, yeah, that's the one SB Live that's not a real one |
| [03:43:26] | sphery: | The Sound Blaster Live! 24-bit was not actually a member of the Sound Blaster Live! family, because it lacked the EMU10k1/10k2 processor |
| [03:43:28] | thedarkone: | i thinking of getting a tascam |
| [03:43:29] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_Blaster_Li . . . ve.21_24-bit |
| [03:43:34] | thedarkone: | 96 bit |
| [03:43:41] | sphery: | a lot of people love the Turtle Beach Riviera |
| [03:43:54] | sphery: | I have Sound Blaster Live! and Live! Value |
| [03:44:21] | thedarkone: | u want this one |
| [03:44:22] | thedarkone: | too |
| [03:44:23] | thedarkone: | lol |
| [03:44:28] | thedarkone: | it junk to me |
| [03:44:28] | sphery: | no thanks :) |
| [03:44:34] | Dagmar: | The SBLive cards are nice |
| [03:44:45] | Dagmar: | They need to make MORE of them instead of just spanking around with the X-Fi |
| [03:44:46] | sphery: | I'd just have to drive it down to the place that takes computer equipment for recycling :) |
| [03:45:04] | thedarkone: | right now i using tascam 64 bit |
| [03:45:38] | sphery: | on the bright side, when Intel's next audio standard is released, it will basically make all cards (even those from other manufacturers) like the original SB Live's |
| [03:45:52] | sphery: | they're finally moving back to discrete DSP's |
| [03:45:58] | thedarkone: | cool |
| [03:46:04] | sphery: | from the "soft" sound/on-CPU processing |
| [03:46:44] | jams: | sphery- no joke? |
| [03:47:02] | sphery: | really--the one replacing Intel HDA |
| [03:47:09] | sphery: | much better for power usage for laptops, etc. |
| [03:47:11] | jams: | awesome |
| [03:48:49] | sphery: | When playing back AC-3 or DTS or the HD audio formats, the constant flood of interrupts to the CPU can actually cause a 4–6W power increase |
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| [03:49:10] | thedarkone: | i waiting see if someone makes a script to get game info |
| [03:49:25] | sphery: | with the on-CPU stuff... Going to a dedicated DSP does away with that and the DSP runs with a lot less power. |
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| [03:54:54] | Dagmar: | Yeah that was what I liked about the SBLive--although I was a bigger fan of what you could do to the sound with the emu10k as it passed through |
| [03:55:19] | Dagmar: | I still have to reinstall 98se and that driver so I can snatch the "Kidnapper" filter they removed after 9/11 and import it back into XO |
| [03:55:21] | Dagmar: | er XP |
| [03:56:05] | Dagmar: | A friend of mine who does music got a big giggle out of which chip they put on there |
| [03:56:22] | Dagmar: | You used to pay big money in 19-inch rackmount gear for that thing |
| [03:56:37] | sphery: | Where they announced their new approach: https://intel.wingateweb.com/taiwan08/schedul . . . ller/catalog |
| [03:56:53] | sphery: | er, http://intel.wingateweb.com/taiwan08/schedule . . . ntentcatalog |
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| [03:57:01] | sphery: | first lost the args |
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| [03:57:13] | sphery: | guess others can borrow my session :) |
| [03:57:16] | Dagmar: | Glad someone finally noticed we were tired of a sound card being a glorified A/D converter and shirking it's actual job in favor of silently stealing clockcycles |
| [03:57:27] | sphery: | oh, that's their session... nvm |
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| [03:58:17] | wagnerrp: | you know... i dont really care about the capabilities of the sound card, and onboard decoding and filtering.... |
| [03:58:31] | wagnerrp: | i just wish they would put decent DACs on AC97 and HDaudio chips |
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| [03:59:24] | wagnerrp: | every single onboard audio ive used, i hear machine noise with any halfway decent pair of headphones or speakers |
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| [04:02:32] | sphery: | Finally... Took forever to figure out how to download the slides--gotta click the Acrobat icon (which I /thought/ was to take you to the "get Adobe Reader" page), not the title. |
| [04:04:43] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: Use more grounding posts? |
| [04:04:59] | Dagmar: | I'm not getting any noise on the board I've been using |
| [04:05:15] | wagnerrp: | the mobo mounting posts? |
| [04:05:19] | Dagmar: | ...although an electrical issue effectively nerfed the output on one of htem |
| [04:05:20] | Dagmar: | Yeah |
| [04:05:26] | Dagmar: | SOme people only use one |
| [04:05:33] | Dagmar: | ...which is subtly bad. |
| [04:05:37] | wagnerrp: | theyre all in use |
| [04:05:42] | Dagmar: | Darn |
| [04:05:47] | wagnerrp: | how would you only use one? |
| [04:05:57] | wagnerrp: | i mean how would the board even stay stable at that point? |
| [04:05:58] | Dagmar: | People get these plastic ones and think it's a good idea to use them |
| [04:06:03] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [04:06:19] | wagnerrp: | nope, standard metal ones... look like brass or copper actually |
| [04:06:37] | wagnerrp: | whatever came with my case |
| [04:07:03] | Shadow__X: | sometimes i like to connect the pins sticking through the underneath of the motherboard together |
| [04:07:11] | wagnerrp: | anyway, i start doing anything on my computer, i hear noise |
| [04:07:22] | wagnerrp: | i can only assume its hard drive motion |
| [04:07:38] | wagnerrp: | or maybe capacitors discharging in the power control circuitry |
| [04:07:49] | Dagmar: | Underpowered caps |
| [04:08:11] | Dagmar: | ...or just bad design |
| [04:08:16] | Shadow__X: | i have heard that before you start doing anything and you hear machine noise over the audio |
| [04:08:22] | Shadow__X: | i havnt heard that in a while |
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| [04:08:34] | Dagmar: | That's probably the amp firing up without anything feeding into it |
| [04:08:57] | Dagmar: | That and the "CLIK" noise are the reason alsa started initializing all mixer levels muted |
| [04:09:05] | pjcrux: | hello all have a problem with 0.21 on f9 with a pvr-150 |
| [04:09:16] | Dagmar: | Need moar detail |
| [04:09:31] | pjcrux: | can anyone offer some enlightenment as to why certain channels would show as static when recording? |
| [04:09:50] | wagnerrp: | either your tuner is going bad, or those channels really are just static |
| [04:09:52] | Dagmar: | They're set to the wrong frequency table, or they just don't exist |
| [04:10:39] | Dagmar: | I can't see a tuner going bad and missing "some" channels. Maybe everything above/below a certain point but the former would be strange |
| [04:11:04] | pjcrux: | dagmar how do I change the frequency table I'm missing channels 33–60 and 75 and above |
| [04:11:14] | Dagmar: | The difference between cable-hrc and cable-irc and cable-std should only result in a bad picture, not pure static |
| [04:11:15] | wagnerrp: | i had a tuner go bad on a tv once |
| [04:11:26] | wagnerrp: | the range between 40–50 just wouldnt tune any longer |
| [04:11:38] | Dagmar: | Where are you that you think you should ahve channel seventy five? |
| [04:11:50] | pjcrux: | San Antonio TX |
| [04:11:59] | pjcrux: | on my tv's I get all the way to 85 |
| [04:12:03] | sphery: | US OTA stops at 69 |
| [04:12:09] | Dagmar: | Exactly |
| [04:12:11] | pjcrux: | it's cable |
| [04:12:12] | sphery: | cable goes up higher |
| [04:12:14] | wagnerrp: | is that directly on the tv? or through a cable box? |
| [04:12:25] | sphery: | but generally, they don't use those (goes to 125) |
| [04:12:27] | Dagmar: | The chopped off the upper end of UHF like a decade ago when they realized people could listen to cell phones |
| [04:12:28] | pjcrux: | directly from wall without any box or converter |
| [04:12:47] | sphery: | most all high-frequency cable is digital |
| [04:12:55] | pjcrux: | it's standard cable from crime warner |
| [04:13:03] | sphery: | and our digital freq tables have all those channels (and more, IIRC) |
| [04:13:38] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i used to have scrambled channels into the 80s |
| [04:13:47] | wagnerrp: | but now anything above 72 is digital |
| [04:14:44] | pjcrux: | I tried changing the select from default to ntsc-cable |
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| [04:15:43] | pjcrux: | I've been trying to get this to work. I'm using mythweb and don't have a frontend |
| [04:15:48] | pjcrux: | per se |
| [04:15:58] | pjcrux: | installed as part of the Amahi Home Server |
| [04:16:08] | pjcrux: | they have made it a webapp |
| [04:16:13] | pjcrux: | using mythweb |
| [04:16:16] | pjcrux: | really cool |
| [04:16:32] | pjcrux: | everything is done over the network |
| [04:16:48] | sphery: | pjcrux: which capture card? |
| [04:16:59] | sphery: | PVR-x50 or HVR-1600 (I hope) |
| [04:16:59] | pjcrux: | PVR-150 |
| [04:17:02] | sphery: | good |
| [04:17:17] | sphery: | you want either ntsc-cable or ntsc-cable-hrc or ntsc-cable-irc |
| [04:17:18] | pjcrux: | I bought the HVR-1600 initially then learned the error of my ways |
| [04:17:54] | pjcrux: | ntsc-cable/hrc/irc |
| [04:17:55] | Shadow__X: | whats wrong with the hvr 1600 |
| [04:17:59] | Shadow__X: | i have 3 and they work fine |
| [04:18:07] | pjcrux: | I don't know the differences |
| [04:18:21] | pjcrux: | Shadow__X: couldn't get the card to be recognized by the backend |
| [04:18:34] | pjcrux: | at all |
| [04:18:46] | pjcrux: | tried firmware from ivtv beta drivers |
| [04:18:57] | pjcrux: | etc |
| [04:19:01] | mchou: | hmm?? |
| [04:19:10] | mchou: | ivtv is in the kernel mainline |
| [04:19:10] | sphery: | pjcrux: though I just looked at the code and ntsc_cable* have 2–125 and ntsc_cable has T-band (in HRC and IRC, T-band doesn't exist, so we don't have them there) |
| [04:19:35] | pjcrux: | so I should try one of those two then? |
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| [04:19:57] | mchou: | if you use a kernel from the last year there's no need to use ivtv beta anything |
| [04:20:11] | pjcrux: | mchou: I'm on fc9 |
| [04:20:21] | pjcrux: | my box doesn't like fc10 |
| [04:20:29] | pjcrux: | waiting for the bugs to settle on fc11 |
| [04:20:40] | pjcrux: | then going to give it a go |
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| [04:21:00] | pjcrux: | mchou: what OS do you run |
| [04:21:13] | mchou: | what do you mean what OS? |
| [04:21:21] | mchou: | linux |
| [04:21:35] | mchou: | like virtually everyone else on this channel |
| [04:21:38] | pjcrux: | ubuntu, kubuntu, fedora, centos, dsl, built your own |
| [04:21:52] | pjcrux: | k I will be more specific next time |
| [04:22:21] | mchou: | I use mandriva...cause I've been using it for 10 yrs |
| [04:22:28] | sphery: | if you're not using current -fixes, you might not be able to make the HVR-1600 work |
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| [04:22:53] | sphery: | This whatever thing that packaged up Myth for you might be using the (broken) 0.21 release tarball *shudder* |
| [04:22:55] | mchou: | sphery: -fixes on what specifically? |
| [04:23:05] | sphery: | 0.21-fixes SVN branch |
| [04:23:12] | sphery: | i.e. the one that distros are supposed to use |
| [04:23:30] | pjcrux: | ok I helped package it |
| [04:23:31] | mchou: | sphery: hvr-1600 not working doesnt have much to do with myth fixes |
| [04:23:41] | pjcrux: | we used the one directly from RPMFusion |
| [04:23:45] | mchou: | hvr-1600 is broken HW |
| [04:24:08] | sphery: | pjcrux: that one should be a good one |
| [04:24:08] | mchou: | doesnt even work right in windoze |
| [04:24:17] | pjcrux: | but thanks guys you answered my questions off to bed |
| [04:24:22] | pjcrux: | night all and thanks again |
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| [04:24:29] | sphery: | good luck |
| [04:24:57] | mchou: | Shadow__X: You use the digital side of hvr-1600? |
| [04:25:47] | mchou: | Shadow__X: You ever notice the ABSURD PCI utilization? |
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| [04:26:32] | mchou: | Shadow__X: not to mention the crazy vmalloc necessary? |
| [04:32:35] | Shadow__X: | mchou: yes and it works perfectly fine |
| [04:35:07] | mchou: | Shadow__X: certainly not. Dropouts (and it doesnt have anything to do with marginal signal strength) |
| [04:35:35] | Shadow__X: | all i can talk about is it working here |
| [04:35:42] | mchou: | Shadow__X: the droputs are a result of PCI bus saturation |
| [04:36:10] | Shadow__X: | ok but it works here |
| [04:36:37] | mchou: | I suspect you have a loose definition of "work" |
| [04:36:54] | Shadow__X: | sure |
| [04:37:21] | mchou: | just cause you get a picture doesnt mean everything is working correctly |
| [04:37:30] | Shadow__X: | i know that |
| [04:37:40] | Shadow__X: | just because you have problems doesnt mean i do |
| [04:40:06] | mchou: | I'd like to see even two of those cards recording 1080i simultaneously without causing problems in PQ |
| [04:40:25] | mchou: | on the same box |
| [04:41:08] | mchou: | never mind 3 |
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| [04:42:51] | Shadow__X: | :) |
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| [05:23:31] | iamlindoro: | brad2, are you brad606 on the wiki? |
| [05:24:00] | iamlindoro: | Your edits to the user manual are unnecessary and give too much access to boot |
| [05:24:08] | iamlindoro: | (to the SQL permissions portion) |
| [05:25:28] | iamlindoro: | If that is you, that is... otherwise, sorry to bother :) |
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| [06:14:31] | levander: | I wanna upgrade my current mythtv box to a 64-bit linux install. Is all I gotta do is point the new install of Myth to the partition all my recordings are on and do a restore of a backup of the old db onto the new install? |
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| [06:25:02] | tank-man: | sounds reasonable |
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| [06:49:23] | anykey_: | did someone ever see Nvidia XID messages in dmesg with VDPAU? |
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| [09:47:52] | juski: | morning morning morning. another day at the coal face :) |
| [09:51:17] | juski: | today I shall mostly be trying to define & use a struct in my quest to bring a mythui effect to the painter(s) |
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| [10:21:40] | gbee: | pastebin.ca is still down, let me think of a good example of what I meant by using a struct |
| [10:23:03] | juski: | gbee: I think I know what you mean – so we can have optional variable to pass as parameters, right – so we don't have to predifine ones we won't be using in every case |
| [10:23:28] | juski: | this is in my book I think, but they call it something else & it's bogged down in jargon |
| [10:23:47] | juski: | pastebin.com is up :) |
| [10:24:08] | juski: | and, surprisingly fast. must've been lucky |
| [10:24:21] | gbee: | a struct is like a cutdown class, it's purely storage of related variables/pointers in one handy portable bag |
| [10:24:29] | gbee: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struct_(C_programming_language) |
| [10:24:37] | jduggan: | there usually exists paste.anymajorossproject.tld |
| [10:25:02] | juski: | I've defined one in mythpainter.h but I'm damned if I can figure out how to use it |
| [10:27:39] | gbee: | ln 668 of libmythui/myththemedmenu.cpp, definition in the header |
| [10:28:16] | juski: | ta |
| [10:29:07] | gbee: | ThemedButton is a struct, holding information about each button, it has mostly QStrings – type, action etc – values are assigned to the struct and then we just have to pass the struct around instead of 6 seperate pieces of info |
| [10:30:19] | gbee: | so for the painter you might have a struct called Effects, with an int defining rotation amount, reflection values, a transformation matrix etc |
| [10:30:58] | juski: | got it, I think. I'll try to digest this & put it into use here |
| [10:31:19] | gbee: | drawImage(blah, blah, effects) instead of drawImage(blah, blah, rotation, reflection axis, reflection length, tranforms_y, transform_x) etc |
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| [10:32:17] | gbee: | so you don't need to change every use of drawImage when you add a new effect, you just add it to the struct then read back the values in drawImage |
| [10:32:32] | gbee: | e.g. int rotation = effect.rotation; |
| [10:32:48] | juski: | I get how it'll be beneficial. Sold me on that ;) |
| [10:32:55] | gbee: | anyway, I'm off out for a bit |
| [10:33:04] | juski: | thanks for the hints :) |
| [10:33:32] | juski: | I'm trying here... yeah I know.. very trying :) |
| [10:38:59] | anykey_: | 1 |
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| [11:32:53] | juski: | somebody is still wittering about a mythtv song. the mind boggles |
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| [11:46:55] | juski: | I really have no idea what I'm doing |
| [11:48:18] | juski: | why don't I ever stick to the easy things like mangling menus & making pretty pictures? |
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| [11:48:57] | laga_: | because it is human nature to code c++ |
| [11:49:48] | juski: | riiiiight |
| [11:50:12] | juski: | like it is to breathe underwater without any equipment you mean? |
| [11:50:18] | laga_: | heh |
| [11:52:50] | juski: | I know what's up here. if MythPainter was more erm.. ordinary I might've stumbled on the answer by now but I just have no idea what the deal is with the two MythPainter::DrawImage voids. Why are there two of them – are they interchangeable? |
| [11:53:20] | juski: | ENOTGRASPINGCONCEPTS. again |
| [11:53:57] | juski: | at some point I have to make the leap from coding by accident into proper coding |
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| [11:55:25] | juski: | and *without* being a drain on other developers |
| [11:55:35] | laga_: | get a good book? |
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| [11:56:03] | juski: | I started reading the one suggested here. I literally fell asleep at my keyboard |
| [11:56:37] | laga_: | coffee |
| [11:56:42] | brad2: | juski: what book did people suggest? |
| [11:56:56] | juski: | can't remember now |
| [11:57:03] | juski: | I don't have it on this machine |
| [11:57:56] | juski: | I have a big problem translating what I see in textbooks into experience. I lack the patience to work through exercises.. own worst enemy |
| [11:58:08] | juski: | I want it NOW! |
| [11:58:22] | jduggan: | texts books suck |
| [11:58:29] | jduggan: | unless youre using them merely for reference |
| [11:58:31] | laga_: | juski: MythPainter::DrawImage *returns* void |
| [11:58:35] | jduggan: | -s |
| [11:58:59] | laga_: | juski: the two methods take different arguments, only the return type is the same |
| [11:59:02] | juski: | everything I know about programming is through trial & error, always has been |
| [11:59:39] | juski: | laga_: I don't see that |
| [11:59:57] | laga_: | juski: in trunk in mythpainter.h |
| [12:00:07] | laga_: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ythpainter.h |
| [12:01:36] | juski: | so int x & int y are basically interchangeable with QPoint &topleft |
| [12:02:08] | laga_: | i guess if you create a QPoint with those coordinates, then yeah |
| [12:02:14] | juski: | i.e. you can call DrawImage with either QPoint &topleft etc OR x & y coordinates |
| [12:02:25] | laga_: | yes |
| [12:02:33] | juski: | riiight. thanks |
| [12:03:15] | laga_: | in fact, if you look at the declaration, you can see it's just one method dispatching to the other: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . hpainter.cpp |
| [12:04:29] | juski: | ok now I'm confused |
| [12:04:44] | laga_: | why? |
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| [12:05:05] | juski: | seems erm.. cyclical |
| [12:06:44] | laga_: | no, DrawImage(dest, im, src, alpha); is a call to yet another method |
| [12:06:48] | laga_: | which is not defined in that file |
| [12:07:07] | laga_: | might be the virtual method in mythpainter.h, but i have no clue what a virtual method is |
| [12:07:19] | ** laga_ prefers mediocre languages for mediocre problems, ie java ;) ** | |
| [12:07:37] | juski: | AHA |
| [12:08:13] | juski: | DrawImage(dest, blah, blah, etc) != DrawImage (x,y,im,alpha) |
| [12:08:21] | juski: | duh. stupid user |
| [12:08:39] | laga_: | juski: if the types in the parameters do not match, it is not the same method |
| [12:09:08] | juski: | figures |
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| [12:10:48] | brad2: | laga: you seem pretty knowledgable about coding. Do you work on anything for mythtv? |
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| [12:11:39] | laga_: | brad2: only very minor things |
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| [12:12:34] | juski: | and I'm trying to do things which sound simple, but seldom turn out to be |
| [12:12:46] | laga_: | juski: stick to it :) |
| [12:12:55] | brad2: | definitely stick to it, you will get it |
| [12:13:08] | juski: | when I DO finally get it, god help us all |
| [12:13:08] | brad2: | i tried fixing a bug i found the other day, but realized I was woefully out of my depth |
| [12:13:09] | brad2: | haha |
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| [12:14:43] | brad2: | what are you working on juski? |
| [12:14:58] | juski: | brad2: adding stuff like image rotation to mythui painters |
| [12:15:22] | juski: | I got it working in mythimage, but the preferred way would be to do it in the painters |
| [12:15:28] | brad2: | that "sounds simple"? jeesus! |
| [12:16:02] | juski: | look: http://imagebin.ca/img/pCt-nDHh.png |
| [12:16:33] | brad2: | cool! |
| [12:16:47] | juski: | added a <rotate> tag for an image in the XML |
| [12:16:57] | juski: | easy peasy :) |
| [12:17:25] | juski: | and there were plenty of examples of other effects in mythiimage.cpp to follow |
| [12:17:58] | brad2: | kudos to you |
| [12:18:02] | brad2: | you are definitely well on your way |
| [12:18:10] | juski: | to insanity |
| [12:18:11] | brad2: | i think i'm going to look up how to create a mythplugin today |
| [12:18:17] | brad2: | hopefully that will be easier :) |
| [12:18:48] | juski: | I made mythappearance (the screen resizing helper gadget) as a plugin first |
| [12:19:13] | juski: | if there's no reference on how to do a simple plugin with mythui yet, it'll be much harder |
| [12:20:19] | juski: | none of the plugins – or few at any rate – are rocket science though |
| [12:20:34] | brad2: | nice |
| [12:20:40] | brad2: | i'm looking at the mythhello wiki plugin |
| [12:20:44] | brad2: | it should give me a starting point |
| [12:20:59] | juski: | it will if it was ever converted to mythui calls |
| [12:22:00] | juski: | nope, doesn't look like it was |
| [12:22:22] | juski: | lots of people starting out on a plugin look at mythnews |
| [12:23:00] | brad2: | thanks i will try that |
| [12:23:49] | juski: | I've yet to write any plugin code in mythui. I've a soduku game plugin on my todo list somewhere |
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| [12:29:24] | mazda01: | im still getting Traceback errors and the end of mytharchive. i don't know what could be wrong. can anyone help? |
| [12:30:14] | juski: | looked in the log output of mytharchive yet? |
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| [12:35:47] | mazda01: | sorry, I was going to paste the logs but they are super huge from all the encoding info. the end of the log shows Traceback errors. im ensuring i upgraded properly using the mythbuntu weekly -fixes build and then will try again. |
| [12:39:34] | juski: | ah. the painters themselves don't call the non-virtual DrawImage. I think |
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| [12:41:47] | juski: | bugger. missed 12:34.56 07/08/09 |
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| [12:43:31] | juski: | time for some lunch I reckon |
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| [12:48:47] | ** GreyFoxx sets emercency moderation on his offices internal mailling list as apparently someone who is on vacation and is replying to messages is drunk ** | |
| [12:49:23] | laga_: | haha |
| [12:49:52] | GreyFoxx: | He'll owe me big for this as now I have to approve all messages for the rest of the day :) |
| [13:01:54] | pat___: | appears the aussies are finally having some luck in the cricket |
| [13:03:54] | brad2: | greyfoxx: hahah you should have let it go through for Friday entertainment factor |
| [13:04:19] | GreyFoxx: | brad2: yeah, but I don't want the guy to loose his job over some drunken babbling :) |
| [13:04:23] | AndyCap: | Welcome to blackmail, the game where you can play with .. yourself. |
| [13:04:51] | GreyFoxx: | the tone of the messages was getting worse and worse so I just cut it off so he can get it out but noone but me needs to see it :) |
| [13:05:27] | brad2: | greyfoxx: wow you are a benevolent IT admin... my it group would not do that, or even notice until after the damage was done :> |
| [13:07:06] | gbee: | BOFH |
| [13:07:37] | GreyFoxx: | there are certainly employees I wouldn't do it for :) But for the most part I do my best to not be a total ass :) |
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| [13:14:20] | brad2: | so if i'm trying to make a plugin for myth, i see that I need to add it to mainmenu.xml <action>PLUGIN mythbrad</action> but where do i define what my plugin is called? currently i'm trying to copy off the work done in mythnews and change it to mythbrad |
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| [13:19:28] | gbee: | REG_JUMP |
| [13:20:00] | gbee: | REG_JUMP("MythNews", "RSS News feed reader", "", runNews); |
| [13:21:08] | brad2: | thanks gbee |
| [13:22:26] | gbee: | might be wrong, it was a guess and I'm just checking the code |
| [13:24:05] | gbee: | actually, might just be derived from the compiled lib name as determined from the .pro |
| [13:25:19] | brad2: | excellent, got that part changes |
| [13:25:21] | brad2: | changed |
| [13:26:01] | brad2: | is there some description doc somewhere about how the new .22 themes work? I can't find that <action>PLUGIN xxx</action> line anywhere in iamlindoro's graphite theme |
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| [13:28:26] | juski: | brad2: they're defined in menu xml files |
| [13:28:45] | juski: | e.g. mainmenu.xml & onwards |
| [13:28:50] | vidm: | hello, I have a question about teletext |
| [13:29:10] | juski: | it died with analogue TV :) |
| [13:29:23] | brad2: | ahhh got it, so they aren't in the themes themselves |
| [13:29:25] | brad2: | makes sense |
| [13:29:51] | juski: | oh wait some pesky europeans are still managing to insert VBI data into DVB streams |
| [13:30:29] | juski: | time to take the dog out. I've had enough confusion for now |
| [13:30:37] | vidm: | Is it possible to show 2 teletext pages at once? Some programs are translated in multiple languages on different teletext pages and I want to show 2 languages at once (so the subltitles of the second page comes above the first one) |
| [13:32:00] | sid3windr: | doubtful |
| [13:32:29] | vidm: | sid3windr, is that for my question? |
| [13:32:38] | sid3windr: | yes. |
| [13:35:00] | brad2: | juski: it seems like some themes have these menu.xml files and some don't? Is there some default file somewhere that is follows if the theme doesn't define it? |
| [13:36:08] | gbee: | yeah, uses the compiled plugin name, so you need to change the target in the pro |
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| [13:36:53] | brad2: | thanks gbee, appreciate the help |
| [13:37:12] | gbee: | brad2: in reference to the above, there are three types of themes – UI, OSD and Menu, iamlindoro's theme doesn't include a menu theme |
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| [13:39:48] | brad2: | ahh so if he doesn't include a menu theme, it references this defaultmenu theme? |
| [13:40:43] | gbee: | whichever theme you choose in the Appearance settings |
| [13:40:57] | gbee: | underneath the option for the UI theme is one for the menu theme |
| [13:41:35] | gbee: | but since no-one has ever created more menu themes, there are just the three, defaultmenu being the default |
| [13:41:44] | brad2: | ah i see it, makes perfect sense |
| [13:41:44] | gbee: | others being classic and dvvr |
| [13:41:51] | gbee: | dvr |
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| [13:43:10] | gbee: | menu theme stuff is a little broken conceptually, it relies on every plugin ever invented being added to each theme manually, a re-write is not high on my list of priorities though |
| [13:44:18] | brad2: | as long as it works, i'm just a little slower than everyone else to catch on :) |
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| [14:22:53] | juski: | whew it's warm out there |
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| [14:25:15] | juski: | back to the compile errors :) |
| [14:28:47] | juski: | oh hang on. defining a struct in the .h is only defining the structure, it's not actually defining it? |
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| [14:29:13] | juski: | I mean not putting anything in it |
| [14:29:20] | wagnerrp: | it defines the structure, but has not actually initialized a variable using said structure |
| [14:29:49] | juski: | this is hard work today :) |
| [14:30:58] | juski: | ok so now I need to figure out where to initialise it. back in a few hours |
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| [14:36:52] | wagnerrp: | mythtv has mouse gestures? |
| [14:37:05] | juski: | yup |
| [14:37:13] | juski: | has had for a while now |
| [14:37:36] | gbee: | not actually used though |
| [14:37:57] | gbee: | haven't hooked them up to anything yet |
| [14:38:30] | gbee: | plus they need some refinement, the current system is far too coarse |
| [14:39:31] | juski: | think I've seen VERBOSE output as a result of them in the past |
| [14:40:38] | juski: | arghh where's my opengl gone? |
| [14:40:57] | brad2: | hehehehehe i've just created the most useless plugin of all time |
| [14:41:00] | brad2: | woot woot! |
| [14:41:39] | juski: | congratulations. now mythzoneminder is 2nd place |
| [14:41:44] | brad2: | i hit the "brad plugin", and it comes up with a box that says "Brad is a sexy sexy man" |
| [14:41:45] | brad2: | hahahaha |
| [14:41:53] | brad2: | useless, but mine! ;> |
| [14:42:16] | juski: | you just doing this for the hell of it or do you have something in mind? |
| [14:42:42] | juski: | I need to fix opengl here. can't be doing waiting 2 secs for a menu fade to finish |
| [14:42:49] | brad2: | just doing it to learn myth... i'd like to contribute something useful at some stage, but right i just need to learn about myth |
| [14:42:56] | brad2: | i find the best way to learn is to jump in and try to do stuff |
| [14:43:19] | juski: | that's cool |
| [14:43:49] | juski: | heh I wish I'd taken the time to learn before wanting to do stuff. kind of a chicken & egg scenario though |
| [14:44:07] | brad2: | i tried to jump in and do something useful (fix a bug i may have found) |
| [14:44:27] | brad2: | but i realized trying to change code in the Nuppel player and decoder files was several levels of magnitude out of my depth |
| [14:44:28] | juski: | a bug? we have no bugs here! |
| [14:44:34] | brad2: | so i just filed a ticket instead |
| [14:44:35] | brad2: | haha |
| [14:44:47] | juski: | unexpected features, or summit |
| [14:45:56] | juski: | as per usual the compiler is spitting out errors which no doubt tell me all I need to know but it may aswell be martian like my c++ book |
| [14:46:11] | juski: | I'll fix me opengl first |
| [14:46:53] | Essobi: | Morning all. |
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| [14:47:37] | juski: | 530fps, about the norm for crappy onboard Intel I reckon |
| [14:47:52] | wagnerrp: | for glxgears? |
| [14:48:07] | juski: | maybe not. lol |
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| [14:48:15] | wagnerrp: | that sounds closer to software rendering to me |
| [14:48:44] | wagnerrp: | im pretty sure my ancient rage128 gets like 800 |
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| [14:51:32] | juski: | now almost 1000 fps (!) |
| [14:52:13] | juski: | must be working now, the ui transitions are smooth again. sheesh. 1000fps?! |
| [14:53:08] | juski: | my next laptop will have *real* 3D hardware methinks |
| [14:53:11] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing to the simulation, a couple hundred triangles at the most |
| [14:53:30] | juski: | had no idea intel's gl was so poor |
| [14:54:11] | juski: | wooo 925.690 FPS :-O |
| [14:54:32] | juski: | even my GF4MX went like a blur. That's awful |
| [14:54:45] | juski: | aaanyway, it'll do |
| [14:55:55] | wagnerrp: | think of it another way, its only twice as fast as your general purpose CPU at doing the same thing |
| [14:55:57] | juski: | mustn't be a representative test though – the mythui transition was dog slow – and with 'twice' the FPS it seems way more than twice as fast |
| [14:56:40] | wagnerrp: | i think its just a measure of how fast it is rendering |
| [14:56:53] | wagnerrp: | not how fast it can actually get that to screen |
| [14:57:02] | juski: | hmm |
| [14:57:05] | wagnerrp: | software rendering on glxgears is always very chunky |
| [14:57:11] | wagnerrp: | regardless of your processor speed |
| [14:57:49] | juski: | anyway, seems the 'virtual' line I left over in xorg.conf from my attempt to get dual monitors working was to blame |
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| [15:12:05] | juski: | I need a drink! |
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| [15:16:45] | j-rod: | hm, there's a bottle of JD in the cube next to me... |
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| [15:19:59] | mindoms: | hello, im stefan and new to this channel :). im looking for a hack to fix a little commercial-flagging issue. we have some commfree tv-channels here but shows often start some minutes too early/late. so i have set recordings to start some minutes earlier and to end some minutes later. then the shows are commflagged. now it would be nice if a little skript could delete the markings from the preceding and following show. has an |
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| [15:23:46] | tank-man: | has a |
| [15:24:36] | dr_mason: | can anyone help me with a xconf and custom edids? |
| [15:27:29] | laga_: | mindoms: your message was cut off after "has an" |
| [15:27:52] | wagnerrp: | that would be... tank-man |
| [15:27:55] | mindoms: | okay, thank you :) |
| [15:27:55] | mindoms: | [...] has anybody already done something like this? |
| [15:28:03] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind |
| [15:29:00] | tank-man: | mindoms, change your settings to not skip commercials |
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| [15:29:57] | mindoms: | hm. why would that help? |
| [15:30:36] | tank-man: | no one has done what you wanted to do, sorry |
| [15:30:50] | mindoms: | skipping works fine. i just have to manually skip 1 or 2 times before the actual show starts... |
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| [15:31:49] | mindoms: | okay... so id like to try to hack something myself... its just that i am new to mysql, but i guess i will work that out |
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| [15:36:39] | _benklop: | hello, is there any chance someone could re-open bug #6356? |
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| [15:37:18] | _benklop: | i've added info that is needed, it was closed because of insufficient info from the original poster |
| [15:38:01] | _benklop: | I've encountered this bug at least twice, possibly more before that I didn't realize |
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| [15:45:38] | brad2: | hey guys can anyone give me advice on MythUI? I have this line of code: UIUtilE::Assign(this, m_brad, "brad", &err); |
| [15:45:51] | iamlindoro: | That's a valid line |
| [15:45:54] | brad2: | but i keep getting this error: Error: container 'mythnews' is missing child 'brad' |
| [15:46:07] | laga_: | go ask your parents |
| [15:46:10] | laga_: | god i'm funny |
| [15:46:11] | iamlindoro: | right, you've assigned a MythUI element in the code, but haven't created it in the theme |
| [15:46:12] | brad2: | haha |
| [15:46:36] | iamlindoro: | m_bad is presumable defined in your .h files as a MythUI widget-- so it needs a corresponding widget in the theme |
| [15:46:40] | iamlindoro: | er m_brad |
| [15:46:45] | brad2: | right |
| [15:46:48] | brad2: | that makes total sense |
| [15:46:57] | brad2: | let me go look at the themes |
| [15:47:13] | juski: | don't have nightmares |
| [15:47:14] | iamlindoro: | so, for example, if you have defined MythUIText m_brad; |
| [15:47:21] | iamlindoro: | you need something like: |
| [15:48:09] | iamlindoro: | <textarea name="brad" from="basetextarea"><value>here it is</value><font>basesmall</font></textarea> |
| [15:49:14] | benklop: | hey, would anybody mind re-opening ticket 6356? The ticket was closed invalid because it needed more info. I have now provided the needed info in the ticket.. |
| [15:49:54] | benklop: | not sure if my previous request actually made it into the list here because I wasn't logged in – not sure if the channel is filtered |
| [15:51:20] | juski: | if only ;) |
| [15:51:53] | iamlindoro: | benklop: All .21 tickets have more or less been closed, and no further action is being taken on them with .22 coming very shortly |
| [15:52:07] | brad2: | as always lindoro, you are a genius. worked. |
| [15:52:18] | iamlindoro: | brad2: glad to hear it |
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| [15:53:07] | benklop: | iamlindoro: I had someone on here check that file against .22 and it was broken there too |
| [15:53:47] | juski: | won't be a problem for 0.22 since video previews are erm.. heh |
| [15:53:54] | iamlindoro: | benklop: Then get a trunk install (or find someone who does), get log output, and open a new ticket against .22 |
| [15:54:14] | iamlindoro: | But a .21 ticket is a dead duck |
| [15:54:15] | wagnerrp: | i should really clean up the freebsd page |
| [15:54:26] | wagnerrp: | nigelpearson added a bunch of crap that has no purpose being there |
| [15:54:57] | wagnerrp: | for instance, installing sudo has absolutely nothing to do with compiling mythtv |
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| [15:55:23] | benklop: | iamlindoro: i can't install trunk right now, the best I can do is provide anyone with files that cause the issue. i'm rather busy with school right now.. |
| [15:56:02] | iamlindoro: | benklop: The speed with which a bug is fixed tends to be proportionate to your willingness to provide the needed information ;) |
| [15:56:27] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: can you tell me a linke to the latest graphite? |
| [15:56:43] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: http://www.fecitfacta.com/graphite.080409.tar.gz |
| [15:56:46] | GreyFoxx: | thx |
| [15:56:49] | iamlindoro: | at least, that's from memory |
| [15:56:51] | iamlindoro: | should be, though |
| [15:56:59] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [15:57:03] | juski: | oh damn my puny brain |
| [15:58:45] | benklop: | iamlindoro: i am very willing, but not totally able. my wife wouldn't like myth being switched to trunk right now either. :) |
| [15:58:58] | juski: | sacrifice :) |
| [15:58:59] | tmkt: | 'very shortly' == in months? |
| [15:59:01] | benklop: | so basically you need more than just a sample file and a claim that it doesn't work? |
| [15:59:05] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: Should the "Get Metatadata" option be pulling the screenshot for a particular episode? |
| [15:59:10] | sid3windr: | metatataaaaaaaaaaaa |
| [15:59:44] | wagnerrp: | and sid3windr wins the award for completely random outburst |
| [15:59:51] | laga_: | ++ |
| [16:00:01] | jduggan: | -- |
| [16:00:33] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: No, not yet |
| [16:00:40] | GreyFoxx: | http://phaze.org/mythtv/pics/episodeimage.png I would have expected it to get the screenshot |
| [16:00:42] | GreyFoxx: | ahh ok |
| [16:00:50] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: right now that's manually set-- It's sitting there waiting for the preview generation stuff to get plugged in |
| [16:00:51] | juski: | tmkt: 'very shortly' == when it's ready |
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| [16:01:13] | GreyFoxx: | You mean for local preview generation rather than download from ttvdb ? |
| [16:01:27] | iamlindoro: | Correct |
| [16:01:34] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: not completely random, see "Get Metatadata" ;) |
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| [16:01:55] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Reminds me I need to fix those textareas with the new font, sigh |
| [16:02:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah... completely random |
| [16:02:07] | sid3windr: | :[ |
| [16:02:11] | sid3windr: | (Metadata? This is Spartaaaaaa) |
| [16:02:18] | laga_: | sid3windr: i found it funny. |
| [16:02:22] | sid3windr: | :] |
| [16:02:25] | laga_: | sid3windr: no, that one is old. ;) |
| [16:02:37] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Still pretty, though ;) |
| [16:02:39] | jduggan: | laga_: i find you funny |
| [16:02:44] | jduggan: | ...looking |
| [16:02:47] | wagnerrp: | you and your square jaw greeks... |
| [16:02:47] | sid3windr: | laga_: I liked the "IDE? This is SATAAAAAAAAA" one in the days.. ;) |
| [16:03:02] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: hehe just hitting W on the shows certainly makes getting metadata much easier |
| [16:03:03] | laga_: | sid3windr: LOL |
| [16:03:13] | juski: | managers pronounce it 'sarter'. ****ers |
| [16:03:22] | GreyFoxx: | any particular reason not to downloda screenshots from ttvdb if they are available ? |
| [16:03:24] | sid3windr: | sahtuh? |
| [16:03:24] | benklop: | iamlindoro: is there a way for me to test playing a video file in the trunk mythtv player without actually upgrading my setup to trunk? |
| [16:03:28] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: I file that one under "improvement I never thought would be as helpful as it actually is" ;) |
| [16:03:38] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [16:03:40] | iamlindoro: | benklop: not easily, no |
| [16:04:18] | iamlindoro: | benklop: If I remember when I get home I will test-- depending on when you last asked someone to look at it, it's very likely we have an ffmpeg sync since |
| [16:04:22] | wagnerrp: | is there anyway on trac to search for 'not something'? |
| [16:04:31] | GreyFoxx: | the season/pisode search option never finds anything for me |
| [16:04:38] | GreyFoxx: | but the one triggered by W does |
| [16:04:40] | wagnerrp: | like 'not defect' |
| [16:04:43] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: You mean title subtitle? |
| [16:05:08] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [16:05:16] | wagnerrp: | im tired of getting flooded with compile logs for defects that list 'python' somewhere |
| [16:05:32] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Unfortunately your title and subtitle must *exactly* match TTVDBs for it to work (though it's case insensitive) |
| [16:05:47] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: So if they call it "Pilot (1)" and you call it "Pilot", it won't work |
| [16:05:58] | GreyFoxx: | ok |
| [16:06:27] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: if you look into the script, it does allow you to set up a config file that will do some name alteration |
| [16:06:28] | GreyFoxx: | Not really a problem as long as title/season/episode work |
| [16:06:28] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Other common gotchas are things like contractions (cannot != can't, etc) |
| [16:06:33] | benklop: | iamlindoro: i asked last about 6 weeks ago, according to the submit times on that bug report. ggif it works in trunk then i'm totally happy – i agree that something like this in .21 is a little late to the show. I just don't want .22 to have a bug in it that would be fixed if I wasn't lazy |
| [16:06:39] | wagnerrp: | but it is not currently set to check a default file |
| [16:07:03] | GreyFoxx: | any thought on download the shows poster and dumping into the directory ala folder.jpg and such ? |
| [16:07:11] | iamlindoro: | benklop: We had a sync in the last 6 weeks, so it may well be fixed-- from looking at it it seems to be bad TS probe, which is substantially improved in trunk |
| [16:07:30] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: No objection to it, I could do up a quick patch |
| [16:07:48] | iamlindoro: | (if you don't first) |
| [16:08:03] | GreyFoxx: | Just thinking that right now I have Leverage->Season1->Episodes the episodes all have images, but season1 and Leverage do not |
| [16:08:25] | GreyFoxx: | Makes the gallery nicer I think when the folders have appropriate images too |
| [16:08:32] | iamlindoro: | yeah, I agree |
| [16:08:36] | benklop: | iamlindoro: okay. thanks for the info, and i'll be sure to keep some of these eps around to test when .22 comes out |
| [16:08:47] | iamlindoro: | benklop: Will try to remember to look at it tonight |
| [16:09:37] | benklop: | iamlindoro: thanks |
| [16:10:22] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [16:11:22] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, guess I can toss the numerical rating out since I have the graphical representation of it |
| [16:11:52] | benklop: | so out of curiosity.. does "very shortly" == "when its ready" mean ("when its ready" <= "6 months")? or ("when its ready" <= "1 year")? or ("when its ready" > "1 year")? |
| [16:12:07] | iamlindoro: | And use the "##x##" textarea type instead of two textareas for season and ep, then I'd have space to get all that info in |
| [16:12:14] | laga_: | i think it means "when it's ready" ;) |
| [16:12:18] | iamlindoro: | benklop: In the next month or two |
| [16:12:44] | iamlindoro: | Which is the LIKELY answer, but by no means a contract or promise |
| [16:12:55] | benklop: | i can dig that :) very happily in fact. |
| [16:13:34] | benklop: | iamlindoro: the only way i'll start getting antsy is if 5 years from now .22 is still a month or two away. |
| [16:13:44] | iamlindoro: | Unlikely :) |
| [16:13:57] | juski: | I'm completely lost again : http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/junkpatch.diff |
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| [16:14:51] | juski: | dunno where I should be initialising Effects :-\ |
| [16:15:53] | juski: | fs I worked out how to rotate images, that should've been the hard bit over, not getting my head around abstract concepts |
| [16:15:57] | Shadow__X: | warehouse 13 does get better as time progresses |
| [16:16:07] | iamlindoro: | It could only get better |
| [16:16:11] | iamlindoro: | premiere was poop |
| [16:16:29] | Shadow__X: | i am still one episode behind but i am liking it |
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| [16:19:45] | juski: | just read about it. why didn't they just call it 'Deus Ex Machina' ? |
| [16:20:23] | Guest97525: | Can someone help me why mythtv ( trunk ) does find all channels but on only one frequency it doesnt detect station names and the found crippled channles cant be watched – all other channels / frequencies work ?" Works in kaffeine ... lol |
| [16:22:13] | iamlindoro: | say it with me |
| [16:22:15] | iamlindoro: | punctuation |
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| [16:22:38] | Shadow__X: | punc tu ation? |
| [16:22:42] | Shadow__X: | doesnt sound right |
| [16:22:51] | ** iamlindoro gives Shadow__X a gold star ** | |
| [16:22:59] | iamlindoro: | And yet it is right |
| [16:23:15] | Shadow__X: | yay this is my second one this month |
| [16:25:55] | juski: | time to cook the gruel |
| [16:26:48] | Guest97525: | could it be that mythtv has probelems with the HDTV channel on that frequency ? |
| [16:28:39] | sphery: | Guest97525: likely you need to increase your timeouts in mythtv-setup |
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| [16:32:40] | Guest97525: | omg sphery – nice and simple solution |
| [16:32:43] | Guest97525: | thx |
| [16:32:58] | Guest97525: | strange that the timeout was ok on any other frequeny lol |
| [16:33:05] | Guest97525: | you made my day |
| [16:34:54] | mindoms: | is there a way to run a script when mythcommflag finished ? |
| [16:35:53] | iamlindoro: | Write a script to wrap mythcommflag and whatever you want to run and make it a user job |
| [16:36:11] | mindoms: | thanks |
| [16:38:08] | wagnerrp: | so with ttvdb now official, is there any way to call it from within the video manager? |
| [16:38:23] | wagnerrp: | or does the video manager still only support one script? |
| [16:38:36] | GreyFoxx: | highlight the show and hit W works for me, from any of the mythvideo screens |
| [16:38:57] | sphery: | mindoms: Not a user job, though... Just set it up as the "mythfilldatabase Program" in frontend settings. Just make sure it has a full path and/or is not simply "mythfilldatabase". |
| [16:38:59] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: It's all automated |
| [16:39:01] | GreyFoxx: | the metadata menu works for it as well |
| [16:39:12] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: If your show has a season or episode > 0, it will use ttvdb |
| [16:39:26] | iamlindoro: | or if you run a Title/Subtitle search |
| [16:39:28] | wagnerrp: | ok, so i should be populating 'inetref' in my export script now? |
| [16:39:44] | iamlindoro: | If you like |
| [16:39:56] | iamlindoro: | If you just populate season and episode, it'll know to run ttvdb |
| [16:41:02] | sphery: | Heh, an outlook user on the list... Nice Recall message. |
| [16:41:29] | sphery: | mindoms: ignore me... iamlindoro was right. I read mythfilldatabase, not mythcommflag. |
| [16:41:53] | mindoms: | oh. thank god... i was really confused :) |
| [16:42:08] | wagnerrp: | sphery: i more enjoy the winmail.dat |
| [16:42:22] | laga_: | MS needs to be burn |
| [16:42:24] | laga_: | for that |
| [16:43:40] | sphery: | wagnerrp: those are fun, too |
| [16:44:28] | mindoms: | what language would you use to easily alter some tables in mythconverg? |
| [16:44:52] | sphery: | mindoms: unless you're creating your own fork of MythTV and planning to maintain/code it yourself, don't touch the schema |
| [16:44:58] | laga_: | SPARQL. definitely SPARQL |
| [16:44:58] | sphery: | mindoms: what are you actually trying to do? |
| [16:44:59] | laga_: | o_O |
| [16:45:03] | laga_: | (don't) |
| [16:45:42] | mindoms: | i want to automaticly remove some marks from the recordedmarkup table. |
| [16:45:50] | wagnerrp: | images returned from ttvdb are done in order of rating? |
| [16:45:51] | sphery: | mindoms: if you change any part of the existing mythtv schema, you will not be able to upgrade MythTV in the future |
| [16:46:19] | sphery: | mindoms: well, that's not altering a table, that's deleting data |
| [16:46:20] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: RDV_Linux would know |
| [16:46:31] | sphery: | mindoms: still, a nice use case (reason why) would be helpful |
| [16:46:52] | sphery: | we might even fix mythcommflag or mythtranscode to do things right if you tell us about a bug in it |
| [16:47:19] | mindoms: | i mentioned it at 05:19:59 PM. should i repost ? |
| [16:47:35] | mindoms: | its not really a bug, more a feature request |
| [16:47:41] | ** iamlindoro notes that 5:19:59 PM happens 24 times each day ** | |
| [16:47:48] | mindoms: | :) |
| [16:48:13] | mindoms: | im looking for a hack to fix a little commercial-flagging issue. we have some commfree tv-channels here but shows often start some minutes too early/late. so i have set recordings to start some minutes earlier and to end some minutes later. then the shows are commflagged. now it would be nice if a little skript could delete the markings from the preceding and following show. |
| [16:48:15] | ** sid3windr adds "up to" in there, for added effect ** | |
| [16:48:24] | sphery: | I like Brad's suggestion to make "read section 12 of the HOWTO before modifying channel or capture card priorities" a FAQ... After all, we should document somewhere that they should read the HOWTO. :) |
| [16:49:03] | wagnerrp: | arent there settings to specify a channel as commercial free, so the commflagger never runs on them? |
| [16:49:13] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [16:49:16] | iamlindoro: | "commfree" |
| [16:49:35] | RDV_Linux: | If you are referring to ttvdb.py the answer is sometimes, You can ask the a series "toprated" graphics by adding the -t option, but this feature has never been enabled for season level requests. It is not in the api I use to access thetvdatabase.com. I have an outstanding request into the developer for this feature. |
| [16:49:40] | mindoms: | yes, but then i would have to seek the actual beginning of the show manualy |
| [16:49:42] | sphery: | mindoms: see, now that you've specified a use case, you have some of us interested... Sounds like Myth should be placing able to jump to the real starttime |
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| [16:50:09] | sphery: | actually, commfree is bogus, now... It's commmethod=-2, obviously. Couldn't be more intuitive (especially with commfree in there) |
| [16:50:10] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, wagnerrp: IIRC I set the default values for the TTVDB scripts in Mythvideo to use to -t option when available |
| [16:50:21] | mindoms: | yay, that would be nice. but that was just a copy from my earlier use-case :) |
| [16:50:51] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux, wagnerrp: The TTVDB settings page is in Video Settings->General, "Television in MythVideo", which should be page 8 |
| [16:51:08] | wagnerrp: | well '-t' returns nothing |
| [16:51:19] | iamlindoro: | -t + the actual argument |
| [16:51:25] | iamlindoro: | see the default values |
| [16:51:27] | wagnerrp: | ah |
| [16:51:34] | iamlindoro: | You know, like I said ;) |
| [16:51:45] | RDV_Linux: | Only for fanart I hope or all season specific banners and covers will be ignored. I think -t is only set up for fanart which is appropriate as fanart is only for a series and not specific seasons. |
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| [16:52:44] | iamlindoro: | Yes, just fanart |
| [16:53:05] | iamlindoro: | hmm, guess I might have for banners too |
| [16:53:20] | iamlindoro: | or not |
| [16:53:42] | iamlindoro: | yep, I did |
| [16:53:53] | RDV_Linux: | I just checked averything yesterday and I thought the ttvdb settings were as they should be. |
| [16:53:55] | iamlindoro: | *shrug*, not like it hurts anything |
| [16:54:08] | iamlindoro: | They work fine :) |
| [16:54:34] | sphery: | mindoms: any reason why not to leave the extra flag markers in there? |
| [16:55:37] | mindoms: | yes, because i want to transcode later from TS to PS to free some space. so i have to manually remove thos flags... |
| [16:55:51] | meshe: | i guess my ISP can't send me a copy of the internet on a DVD: http://digg.com/d3100FT |
| [16:56:03] | mindoms: | its a DVB-T channel |
| [16:56:13] | juski: | they can, cos the internet worth having fits on a DVD |
| [16:56:36] | meshe: | not according to that post, it's a building and buildings don't fit on DVDs |
| [16:57:34] | mindoms: | sphery: what is commethod=2 ? |
| [16:57:54] | mindoms: | ah, -s ... sry.. |
| [16:57:59] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: It would work but I like season specific banners and covers if they are available. Jamu checks that a series folder has top rated cover for the and always check that a season folder and it's episodes are using a season specific banner and cover. This is important for new series which often do not get season specific graphics until the first few episodes have shown. |
| [16:58:33] | sphery: | mindoms: it's just to mark the channel as commercial free |
| [16:58:35] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: They come with the default settings |
| [16:58:41] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: Season specific, that is |
| [16:59:30] | RDV_Linux: | Good |
| [16:59:31] | sphery: | mindoms: but is something you shouldn't know because it's something that should only be edited through the UI |
| [17:01:55] | mindoms: | well. i think the script would just need to set a "MARK_COMM_START=4" at frame 0, ; find the last MARK_COMM_END=5 in the first half of the show, the first MARK_COMM_START=4 in the second half of the show and remove all other marks. |
| [17:02:37] | mindoms: | ... and add an MARK_COMM_END=5 at MAX_FRAME |
| [17:03:44] | mindoms: | do you think this could work? |
| [17:06:23] | sphery: | mindoms: likely not... the commflagger tries /very/ hard to find commercials, so during the commercial free portion of the show, it will almost definitely find some false positives |
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| [17:07:07] | sphery: | mindoms: therefore, you'd likely only be able to find the first comm end and delete anything before it and the last comm start and delete everything after it then delete everything between the 2 |
| [17:07:49] | sphery: | any other automatic functionality would be too dangerous |
| [17:08:10] | mindoms: | mhm. i see... at least for trunk. but i think it might work for me... |
| [17:08:23] | sphery: | so, really, you're probably better off just starting the program, hitting z, finding the start, inserting a cut point, finding the end, inserting a cut point |
| [17:08:58] | mindoms: | mhm. you are right. its not that hard :) ... and its sf |
| [17:08:59] | sphery: | if you transcode, you'll lose anything outside of the cut points (or outside of the commercial points if you tell it to use the skiplist rather than the cutlist) |
| [17:10:07] | mindoms: | okay, thanks sphere. i think i'll go with this |
| [17:10:12] | sphery: | though I do kind of like the idea of modifying (or extending) JUMPSTART to jump to the program start rather than the recording start |
| [17:10:30] | sphery: | mindoms: also allows you to turn off commflagging on that channel, so you save power/money :) |
| [17:11:00] | sphery: | (as I'm pretty sure that it will take less energy for you to do that than it takes the CPU to scan every single frame of the recording) |
| [17:11:28] | mindoms: | well. finding the commstart is easier, when mythcommflag found some possible points :) |
| [17:11:28] | mindoms: | but my intel-atom would be glad not to do the flagging :) |
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| [17:13:12] | mindoms: | i guess its not trivial to let mythcpommflag only scan the first and last 15 minutes... is it? |
| [17:14:53] | iamlindoro: | it is not trivial |
| [17:15:01] | iamlindoro: | /not currently possible |
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| [17:15:49] | mindoms: | thanks |
| [17:16:05] | wagnerrp: | you *could* just turn off mythcommflag, and write your own script to add in commercials in the extra buffer space |
| [17:16:16] | wagnerrp: | should be do-able in a couple lines |
| [17:16:46] | wagnerrp: | that way you could skip to where the show is supposed to start, but you could always rewind before that if it started early |
| [17:18:25] | mindoms: | nice idea, thnx |
| [17:19:47] | mindoms: | bye all |
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| [17:19:50] | sphery: | mindoms: or, even easier, if the recording starts 5 minutes before the program starts, hit 5 then INFO (I). Or 5 then STICKYREW (<) to jump to 5 minutes from the start |
| [17:19:57] | sphery: | or just hack on your db |
| [17:19:58] | wagnerrp: | oooh... to slow |
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| [17:20:04] | wagnerrp: | s/to/too/ |
| [17:20:05] | sphery: | 08.07 13:19:50 <+sphery> mindoms: or, even easier, if the recording starts 5 minutes before the program starts, hit 5 then INFO (I). Or 5 then STICKYREW (<) to jump to 5 minutes from the start |
| [17:20:39] | mindoms: | oh, cool. didnt know this is possible |
| [17:20:57] | sphery: | yep, and 5 STICKYFFWD (>) goes to 5 min from the end |
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| [17:21:07] | sphery: | and 55 I goes to 55 minutes in |
| [17:21:46] | sphery: | and 60 I goes to 60 minutes in and 65 I goes to 1 hour 5 minutes in and 100 I goes to 1 hour 40 minutes in (any time you have 3 digits it's treated as h:mm) |
| [17:21:57] | sphery: | er, 100 = 1 hour in |
| [17:22:07] | sphery: | and 99 is 1hr 39min in |
| [17:23:20] | ** wagnerrp wonders if he can do enough mysql string processing to convert 'title' to 'title','subtitle','season',and 'episode ** | |
| [17:24:32] | sphery: | inside MySQL is work, but outside in any language with regexp's shouldn't be bad |
| [17:24:48] | sphery: | (yeah, I know that MySQL has a REGEXP function, but it's a joke/doesn't do what a REGEXP does) |
| [17:25:15] | sphery: | I prefer to think of MySQL's as an irregular expression |
| [17:25:25] | iamlindoro: | In this case, I did it in SQL when I was first working on the season/episode functionality |
| [17:25:36] | iamlindoro: | But I did it the "hard" way, though I think it was quicker |
| [17:25:59] | iamlindoro: | update videometadata set season = 1 where title LIKE "%1x%"; |
| [17:26:00] | sphery: | hard way with substring indexof kind of stuff? |
| [17:26:19] | sphery: | ah |
| [17:26:22] | jblack_: | mysql is for people that haven't taken the time to seriously look at postgresql |
| [17:26:33] | wagnerrp: | mysql is for anyone using mythtv |
| [17:26:35] | sphery: | or for people who use Myth |
| [17:26:40] | iamlindoro: | did that 10 or so times, incrementing the digit, then same for episode ("%x01"), then made the subtitle everything after " – " |
| [17:26:49] | iamlindoro: | since I name all my stuff consistently, it worked great |
| [17:26:55] | iamlindoro: | and too about two minutes |
| [17:26:58] | iamlindoro: | took |
| [17:27:16] | wagnerrp: | yeah, everything is named '<season>x<episode> – <subtitle>' |
| [17:27:25] | sphery: | jblack_: though it's funny that now that Oracle is buying Sun, who owns MySQL, there's a company that's doing evaluations of enterprise infrastructures to help them transition to PostgreSQL from Oracle. |
| [17:28:12] | sphery: | iamlindoro: funny enough, that's one of the few cases where a MySQL REGEXP would actually have worked... |
| [17:28:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, mysql regexps seem to only return true or false |
| [17:28:33] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Didn't/don't know enough mysql to care, it look me single digit minutes |
| [17:28:36] | sphery: | iamlindoro: REGEXP just gives you a true/false for whether it matches the regexp |
| [17:28:44] | iamlindoro: | learning mysql rexexp would have taken me considerably longer |
| [17:29:00] | sphery: | so you could actually have it scan for x<digit><digit> in the title |
| [17:30:42] | wagnerrp: | looks like i can use substring_index to do everything in a couple of commands |
| [17:31:05] | sphery: | SELECT title FROM videometadata WHERE title REGEXP '.+x[[:digit:]]+.+'; (or so) |
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| [17:31:34] | sphery: | yeah, to get the actual digits, you'd need a substring |
| [17:32:16] | wagnerrp: | update videometadata set subtitle=substring_index(title,' – ',-1) where filename like 'TV/%'; |
| [17:33:16] | wagnerrp: | season would be substring_index(substring_index(title,' – ',1),'x',1) |
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| [17:35:58] | wagnerrp: | looks to have worked |
| [17:36:38] | sphery: | yay!!! now libmpeg2 doesn't sound so great to noobs. |
| [17:39:45] | wagnerrp: | im going to have to restructure a bit of this export script |
| [17:40:31] | wagnerrp: | the whole point of using fields different from iamlindoro's export patch was so that the path and metadata title could have different formats |
| [17:40:50] | wagnerrp: | but that point is moot now that there is no metadata title format |
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| [17:42:37] | wagnerrp: | plus theres no real reason to give an option not to use ttvdb, now that it is part of mythtv |
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| [17:44:37] | kormoc: | sphery, it did before? |
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| [17:45:24] | juski: | right, back to the task at hand |
| [17:45:29] | juski: | work, you bastard! |
| [17:47:03] | sphery: | kormoc: it said, "faster," so, yeah |
| [17:47:08] | sphery: | heh: http://xkcd.com/619/ |
| [17:48:38] | ** kormoc wonders why it's an option ** | |
| [17:49:11] | sphery: | yeah, danielk was saying that keeping it has the benefit of showing how to properly integrate a different decoder |
| [17:49:19] | gbee: | it's a tradition in linux/open source to keep things working on ancient hardware even when it just means bloated and harder to maintain code |
| [17:49:22] | sphery: | he's hopeful that a sync to the newer version wil show some benefits |
| [17:49:47] | sphery: | I gave up on libmpeg2 after about 3 minutes of testing |
| [17:50:04] | kormoc: | gbee, heh, a tradition I don't agree with |
| [17:50:27] | sphery: | just looking at the archive, now, and it's amazing how many people are using it |
| [17:50:29] | juski: | no way! NO frickin WAY! |
| [17:50:38] | juski: | yup, no way. LOL |
| [17:50:55] | kormoc: | Did juski finally lose it? I'll give 2:1 odds! |
| [17:51:06] | sphery: | even on HDTV with non-32-bit-AMD processors |
| [17:51:27] | juski: | the speed of this compiling lulls me into a false sense of having acheived something |
| [17:51:47] | kormoc: | sphery, of course, if it's faster on a single 32 bit amd processor, then by the law of generalizations, it has to be faster on everything |
| [17:52:03] | kormoc: | juski, sweet!... What did you do? |
| [17:52:14] | sphery: | heh, you seem to really get generalizations... I'll have to study up on them. |
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| [17:52:40] | sphery: | I also was amazed at the one-buggy-operation generalization, yesterday |
| [17:52:52] | juski: | kormoc: I *think* I've managed to shoehorn something into mythpainter |
| [17:53:06] | kormoc: | Heh, it's a easy one to trick young CS guys into :) |
| [17:53:18] | juski: | but I think where I'm wrong now is that I didn't put that something into everything that uses DrawImage yet |
| [17:53:39] | sphery: | wonder if [21148] will actually fix the socket errors on newer distros |
| [17:53:49] | sphery: | might have just been new gcc causing issues |
| [17:54:36] | sphery: | that's why I use a tried and true gcc for everything. After all, what does any version /really/ offer that 2.95.4 doesn't? |
| [17:54:57] | sphery: | (besides the ability to compile recent kernels, that is.) |
| [17:55:03] | juski: | hrm. I can't just go putting the new thing in without defining it first even if it's not gonna be used now can I? BUH |
| [17:55:15] | kormoc: | sphery, hardware support? |
| [17:55:30] | sphery: | but they make hardware backwards compatible :) |
| [17:55:41] | sphery: | I'm compiling for i386, of course |
| [17:55:48] | juski: | thankyou iamlindoro for at least delaying the heartbreak ;) |
| [17:56:03] | iamlindoro: | juski: WhatIDo? |
| [17:56:23] | juski: | pointed out the probable fate of Rotate() were it not put into the painters |
| [17:56:26] | juski: | ;) |
| [17:56:33] | iamlindoro: | heh... sorry |
| [17:56:46] | juski: | bugger, makin me lern stuf |
| [17:56:51] | iamlindoro: | could have been worse-- could have been unceremoniously closed .0000028 seconds after it was opened |
| [17:57:10] | juski: | yeah this is hard work, but *that* would've been demoralising |
| [17:57:19] | iamlindoro: | I didn't even know "suckit" was a valid closing reason |
| [17:57:27] | juski: | now now |
| [17:57:29] | sphery: | iamlindoro: there was actually a big ceremony--with cake even |
| [17:57:33] | sphery: | (the cake is a lie) |
| [17:57:40] | ** kormoc has incense burning whenever he closes a ticket, and he chants in Latin while the browser works ** | |
| [17:58:01] | iamlindoro: | That's to be expected, I suppose |
| [17:58:10] | iamlindoro: | you are part of the shady cabal after all |
| [17:58:10] | juski: | ahaha now my desktop machine is totally bollocked |
| [17:58:45] | sphery: | kormoc: and you immolate some poor animals, too, right? |
| [17:58:56] | iamlindoro: | http://twitter.com/fireland |
| [17:58:59] | iamlindoro: | That guy is awesome |
| [17:59:16] | juski: | twitter's back up? WTF am I doing wasting my time trying to develop?! |
| [17:59:29] | kormoc: | sphery, totally |
| [18:00:09] | juski: | "Dinner, movie tickets, chloroform — this date is costing me a fortune! Hopefully I'll make a little back with whatever I find in her purse." |
| [18:00:16] | juski: | rofl |
| [18:01:39] | iamlindoro: | "Woke up early and went for a run. Never thought I'd write those words but I also never thought the cops would find my meth lab." |
| [18:01:47] | kormoc: | Ha! |
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| [18:06:08] | juski: | right. work |
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| [18:15:39] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, did both of your patches get committed in or just one? |
| [18:15:43] | sphery: | ohhh... wow: Number of shows: 999 |
| [18:15:56] | sphery: | I need to find a new show with a new title to bump that up one |
| [18:16:00] | wagnerrp: | the sign of the devil |
| [18:16:10] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: There are a few outstanding, dunno which other one you mean, but the whole of the MythVideo Season/Episode/Subtitle stuff was committed |
| [18:16:25] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: re: #mythtv, assume mythvideo is working fine for you? |
| [18:16:39] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, there was that second one related to it... let me get a patch number |
| [18:16:46] | juski: | ahh time to be the wife taxi |
| [18:16:48] | brad2: | iamlindoro: was rdv's jamu stuff committed as well? |
| [18:16:49] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: #6158? |
| [18:16:52] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [18:16:54] | iamlindoro: | brad2: no |
| [18:17:13] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: In that case, no, not yet |
| [18:17:14] | kormoc: | I didn't see it commited and was wondering if I missed it or not |
| [18:17:15] | kormoc: | rgr |
| [18:17:22] | kormoc: | and yeah, it's all working fine |
| [18:17:34] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Which may be for the best, w/ recent improvements I can rewrite it and make it much friendlier |
| [18:18:22] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [18:18:59] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: that DB upgrade worked for you, yes? |
| [18:19:06] | iamlindoro: | (I mean, it obviously did, just confirming) |
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| [18:19:32] | iamlindoro: | I tested it multiple times on fresh DBs to make sure it worked, just wanted outside confirmation that it was working for you-- I know it did for Greyfoxx too |
| [18:19:33] | ** sphery starts to realize that the backup-before-upgrade code probably doesn't work for plugin schema upgrades :) ** | |
| [18:19:56] | sphery: | IME, most failed DB upgrades aren't the fault of the code. |
| [18:20:22] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, just wanted outside corroboration that it worked |
| [18:20:29] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I had no troubles at all with mine |
| [18:20:38] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: cool, thanks |
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| [18:26:31] | wagnerrp: | i had trouble upgrading |
| [18:27:09] | wagnerrp: | of course that was nothing to do with the content of the upgrade |
| [18:27:19] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, aye, I had no problems |
| [18:27:20] | wagnerrp: | i just started up my master and slave too soon |
| [18:27:30] | wagnerrp: | so the slave found a locked database and shut down |
| [18:28:28] | iamlindoro: | ok, so sounds like I can at least absolve myself of code issues |
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| [18:32:52] | laga_: | iamlindoro: awesome guy #2 http://twitter.com/juniorwad |
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| [18:37:12] | yfaykya: | kormoc: Is tweaking the DB to think it is 1023 again enough to sort it out? |
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| [18:37:22] | iamlindoro: | yfaykya: Can you run SELECT * from settings where value = "mythvideo.DBSchemaVer"; |
| [18:37:26] | sphery: | yfaykya: can you actually give us a real frontend log |
| [18:37:35] | kormoc: | yfaykya, unlikely, as it would then error on the following updates |
| [18:37:39] | sphery: | not the one that shows that frontend couldn't upgrade the tv schema |
| [18:38:39] | yfaykya: | sphery : What are you looking for in the log? That section seems like the only relevant bit. I can paste the whole lot of you like! |
| [18:39:03] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro: 1024 :-( |
| [18:39:05] | sphery: | whole log would be good (as that log was for a time when the frontend started, then shut itself down automatically) |
| [18:39:25] | kormoc: | yfaykya, we'd like the log of the update from 1023 to 1024 |
| [18:39:54] | sphery: | that would be perfect :) |
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| [18:41:04] | iamlindoro: | If he can *not* get it, then setting the schema to 1023 and re-entering MythVideo should attempt the (latest) update |
| [18:42:39] | kormoc: | ahh, it won't apply the others? (he's reporting a schema version of 1038) |
| [18:42:53] | sphery: | 1038 is the tv schema |
| [18:42:55] | iamlindoro: | He's reporting a Mythvideo schema of 1024 |
| [18:42:58] | sphery: | not the video schema |
| [18:43:04] | kormoc: | IUgh |
| [18:43:15] | kormoc: | I totally didn't realize they were different... |
| [18:43:15] | iamlindoro: | 1024 is the latest (and should include the seas/ep/sub fields) |
| [18:43:26] | kormoc: | which means I should update mythweb to honour that |
| [18:43:27] | iamlindoro: | so reverting to 1023 should *only* attempt that one update |
| [18:43:58] | iamlindoro: | ie, UPDATE settings set mythvideo.DBSchemaVer = "1023"; |
| [18:44:54] | yfaykya: | sphery : logs at http://www.skynet.ie/~shabba/mythfrontend.log |
| [18:45:37] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro : Thats what I thought. I am gonna try that |
| [18:45:58] | iamlindoro: | Though looks like your backend schema is also not up to date |
| [18:46:06] | iamlindoro: | sounds like *all* your DB updates are failing |
| [18:47:26] | yfaykya: | Ok back in action in mythvideo. Thanks |
| [18:47:55] | iamlindoro: | You'll need to figure out what the deal is with your backend schema update |
| [18:48:04] | iamlindoro: | 1238–1239 should be the DVB-S2 updates |
| [18:48:20] | iamlindoro: | did you patch Mythvideo with the (broken, wrong, old) S2API patch? |
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| [18:48:57] | yfaykya: | no – I have an S2 card but did not apply patches. Ironically I did not install your patches as they changed the db :-) |
| [18:49:04] | sphery: | yfaykya: might want to run optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [18:49:08] | yfaykya: | Glad they are in now though |
| [18:49:22] | iamlindoro: | yfaykya: Yeah, they didn't change from the patch to the end, but it was worth warning people that they *could* change |
| [18:49:48] | iamlindoro: | yfaykya: I see you ahve a great deal of TV, it will probably be worth re-importing it so that the filename parser can pick the season/episode/subtitle out of the filename |
| [18:50:00] | iamlindoro: | And blech, don't use default-wide ;) |
| [18:50:34] | yfaykya: | I have my own TV scrips for updating the db so I dunno if I need to reimport |
| [18:50:51] | yfaykya: | What version is my backend DB supposed to be? |
| [18:50:58] | iamlindoro: | Unless your scripts support the new subtitle/season/episdoe fields, you'll have to reimport or update your scripts |
| [18:51:01] | iamlindoro: | 1239 |
| [18:51:21] | yfaykya: | Yeah need to update my scripts. |
| [18:52:29] | iamlindoro: | Make sure not to try to run a metadata download on any TV until you ahve that information in, then |
| [18:52:33] | yfaykya: | I am at 1239. Why did someone think I was not? |
| [18:52:36] | iamlindoro: | It would really be wiser to reimport |
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| [18:52:45] | iamlindoro: | 2009-08–07 18:31:42.488 Current Schema Version: 1238 |
| [18:52:45] | iamlindoro: | 2009-08–07 18:31:42.488 Current Schema Version: 1238 |
| [18:52:46] | iamlindoro: | 2009-08–07 18:31:42.488 Current Schema Version: 1238 |
| [18:52:47] | iamlindoro: | 2009-08–07 18:31:42.488 Current Schema Version: 1238 |
| [18:52:48] | iamlindoro: | That |
| [18:52:56] | iamlindoro: | What was I thinking ;) |
| [18:53:04] | yfaykya: | hmm settings table shows 1239 |
| [18:53:21] | ** kormoc thinks yfaykya's mysql is having issues counting ** | |
| [18:53:53] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro. I will try on one series first. I only use myth: proto for videos so might need your patch from today/yesterday? |
| [18:54:01] | yfaykya: | for fan art etc? |
| [18:54:27] | iamlindoro: | yfaykya: Yes, that will work |
| [18:54:58] | iamlindoro: | yfaykya: Note that you will probably need to clear the theme cache after you have done all your downloads so that you fix the broken images the bug I referenced creates |
| [18:55:19] | iamlindoro: | Or just do your downloads in default-wide, then move to a theme that supports fanart/banners/etc. like Graphite |
| [18:55:47] | iamlindoro: | Also note that the new "W" keybinding substantially speeds up metadata download in the UI |
| [18:56:01] | iamlindoro: | So you can get through a TV series very very fast |
| [18:56:47] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro – I will modify my scripts so won't need to be doing it through myth |
| [18:56:54] | yfaykya: | Thanks guys. |
| [18:57:36] | kormoc: | yfaykya, so if you're using scripts, why not just use Jamu? |
| [18:57:50] | iamlindoro: | Yes, if you have to use a script, use Jamu |
| [18:58:18] | iamlindoro: | Must admit that it's moderately irksome spending months putting all the pieces together so that it works really well in the UI, only to have people insist on using scripts |
| [18:58:29] | yfaykya: | My script is very similar. I just had it written first and it does Films too. |
| [18:58:37] | iamlindoro: | Jamu does films |
| [18:59:00] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro : My script does the scanning for videos that is broken in trunk |
| [18:59:13] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, whatever, people can do as they wish, it's just that I won't provide any help when it doesn't work-- works fine in the UI |
| [18:59:15] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [18:59:15] | yfaykya: | I will dump it when that is sorted. |
| [18:59:25] | iamlindoro: | Scanning for videos works fine in trunk... |
| [18:59:29] | kormoc: | what sort of scanning for video files? |
| [18:59:39] | yfaykya: | There is a delay before they show up after a scan |
| [18:59:47] | iamlindoro: | five seconds |
| [18:59:55] | kormoc: | and your script somehow changes that eh? |
| [18:59:56] | yfaykya: | Ah. When was that fixed? |
| [18:59:57] | iamlindoro: | scan, leave mythvideo, count to five, done |
| [19:00:07] | iamlindoro: | yfaykya: It's always been as I describe above |
| [19:00:25] | ** kormoc wonders how a script changes mythfrontend cacheing arcitecture ** | |
| [19:00:30] | yfaykya: | Ok my bad then. Must look at that. |
| [19:00:51] | yfaykya: | I do want to dump my script as the wife does not know about it |
| [19:01:57] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro : Can you get folder and season art with your patches? |
| [19:02:27] | iamlindoro: | The coverart is downloaded by season for individual items, folder art is still up to you |
| [19:02:47] | iamlindoro: | ie if a file is "title 1x01 – subtitle.mpg" you will get season 1's coverart |
| [19:03:27] | yfaykya: | ah ok. |
| [19:03:43] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I just read the Jamu chatter on the dev list and thanks for helping and making the information on wiki more explicit. Thanks again. |
| [19:03:46] | iamlindoro: | That assumes you have use Mythvideo's filename parsing, of course... |
| [19:03:54] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: No worries |
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| [19:10:15] | ** iamlindoro wonders when multiline textedit will appear ** | |
| [19:11:12] | sphery: | who really needs multiline |
| [19:11:17] | sphery: | just type it all in one big long line |
| [19:13:11] | iamlindoro: | Reminds me of this great portable TRS-80 I had when I was young |
| [19:13:21] | iamlindoro: | Think it had a 9 or 10 line display |
| [19:13:39] | iamlindoro: | Remember writing a Hunt the Wumpus in BASIC :) |
| [19:13:52] | sphery: | TRS-80 4P? |
| [19:14:05] | sphery: | (though it had a bigger display, I'm pretty sure) |
| [19:14:26] | anykey_: | why would I get prebuffering pauses on BBC HD with VDPAU? |
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| [19:14:41] | iamlindoro: | sphery: model 100 |
| [19:14:51] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: using a deinterlacer that is too much for your GPU |
| [19:14:55] | sphery: | ah, this was ours: http://www.trailingedge.com/comphave.html?the . . . ;byCompany=0 |
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| [19:15:00] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: advanced maybe? |
| [19:15:17] | iamlindoro: | anykey_: probably too much for your GPU to handle at that resolution |
| [19:15:21] | iamlindoro: | use a simpler deint |
| [19:15:23] | anykey_: | ok |
| [19:15:29] | anykey_: | is temporal simpler? |
| [19:15:31] | iamlindoro: | Bob 2x |
| [19:15:36] | iamlindoro: | start with bob then move up |
| [19:15:48] | iamlindoro: | though I think temporal lies between bob and Advanced |
| [19:16:25] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Nice :) First PC in the house was my dad's work 8086, the tandy came a bit later |
| [19:16:30] | anykey_: | hm, bob is even worse |
| [19:17:10] | iamlindoro: | If you are using any sort of CPU throttling, you may need to disable it |
| [19:17:22] | iamlindoro: | as you don't want it underclocking the CPU while using VDPAU |
| [19:17:33] | iamlindoro: | lots of tips and tricks on the VDPAU wiki page, might be of use |
| [19:18:11] | anykey_: | cpu runs at 2.2ghz, gpu is a 9500 with 512mb ram |
| [19:18:57] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: You don't happen to know offhand what element in video-ui.xml I would modify to display a screenshot rather than the cover file ? |
| [19:19:00] | sphery: | iamlindoro: my Dad actually had a TRS-80 Model I Level II that I used for a long time before he "upgraded" to the 4P "portable". Next was his 8086 (IBM PC XT), then an 8088 (IBM PC AT). |
| [19:19:05] | anykey_: | hm, prebuffering pauses even happen without a deinterlacer |
| [19:20:47] | sphery: | ah, wait. seems XT was 8088 and AT was 80286 |
| [19:20:56] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: change the reference to <imagetype name="coverimage"> to <imagetype name="screenshot"> in the view of your choice |
| [19:21:46] | brad2: | anykey: did you check if your cpu is struggling? |
| [19:21:53] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Well, I'll need to get more specific-- what view are you using? |
| [19:22:19] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I'm looking in graphite and I see coverimage as well as a screenshot definition, but only see the cover on the screen so I wouldn't sure if there was something else I had to check |
| [19:22:24] | anykey_: | brad2: top reports 99% idle |
| [19:22:33] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: video gallery, with an items details up |
| [19:22:49] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: So you want to use the screenshot as the "large" image in the item detail popup? |
| [19:22:59] | GreyFoxx: | yes |
| [19:23:14] | iamlindoro: | okay, do a search for "itemdetailpopup" in video-ui.xml |
| [19:23:20] | iamlindoro: | then look at the fourth elemtn after that |
| [19:23:34] | iamlindoro: | change that "coverimage" to "screenshot" |
| [19:23:49] | GreyFoxx: | I see that, and right below is a screenshot definition but I don't actually see that on screen anywhere |
| [19:24:04] | iamlindoro: | probably because you don't have a screenshot defined for that record |
| [19:24:15] | iamlindoro: | it appears down and left from the coverimage, overlaid |
| [19:24:15] | GreyFoxx: | I manually inserted a couple for a couple episodes to test |
| [19:24:21] | GreyFoxx: | ok |
| [19:24:24] | GreyFoxx: | that would be perfect |
| [19:24:46] | iamlindoro: | Lemme see if I can find a screenshot |
| [19:25:09] | iamlindoro: | but sounds like there's a problem with your the screenshot you inserted |
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| [19:26:07] | GreyFoxx: | so there is |
| [19:26:16] | GreyFoxx: | I didn't notice the error loading image log entry |
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| [19:26:22] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [19:26:27] | GreyFoxx: | thanks for indulging me |
| [19:26:33] | iamlindoro: | Since you like the screenshots, though, you may want to increase the size |
| [19:26:44] | iamlindoro: | it's quite small by default-- check it out and I'll help you enlarge it if you like |
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| [19:27:11] | gbee: | oh damn, nearly forgot all about the preview generation stuff for mythvideo |
| [19:27:26] | iamlindoro: | gbee: yeah, would be a very nice-to-have |
| [19:27:26] | GreyFoxx: | I've added the code to mythvideo to grab the screenshots from ttvdb |
| [19:27:33] | GreyFoxx: | I'm just placing them in the wrong location :) |
| [19:27:51] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: It probably wouldn't hurt to commit that |
| [19:27:52] | GreyFoxx: | 2009-08–07 16:27:02.051 Copying 'http://www.thetvdb.com/banners/episodes/82339/413382.jpg' -> '/home/mythtv/.mythtv/MythVideo/Fanart/Leverage Season 1x5.jpg'... |
| [19:28:02] | GreyFoxx: | I'm putting them in the Fanart dir by mistake |
| [19:28:02] | iamlindoro: | Then for stuff where no screenshot exists, it can fall back to the preview generator |
| [19:28:08] | GreyFoxx: | yeah exactly |
| [19:28:24] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: planning on committing it soon? |
| [19:28:43] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: I will commit, I'm just playing with it now. I'll have the kinks out tonight or tomorrow morning |
| [19:28:45] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: I thought about adding it, but guess I held off assuming the preview generation would be there soonish |
| [19:28:51] | gbee: | includes dvd support with two options, inside the main feature or the menu |
| [19:29:02] | iamlindoro: | gbee: neat! |
| [19:29:17] | iamlindoro: | MythVideo is going to be a big upgrade for users of .21 :) |
| [19:29:29] | gbee: | but no hooks in mythvideo for it yet and I need to get it updated for trunk |
| [19:30:15] | juski: | right. where was I? hrm |
| [19:30:23] | iamlindoro: | In truth I plan on replacing the item detail popup screenshot with the video widget |
| [19:30:29] | iamlindoro: | (once it appears) |
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| [19:32:03] | juski: | god, gl transformations will seem so easy after this |
| [19:32:25] | iamlindoro: | juski: heh, making progress? |
| [19:33:09] | juski: | sort of |
| [19:33:51] | juski: | starting to get the feeling I've defined the Effect struct in the wrong place |
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| [19:34:33] | juski: | mythpainter compiles now, just need to figure out wth I'm supposed to do with the rest where DrawImage is called |
| [19:34:33] | Cyber-Dogg: | when I ran plugreport the first time I got an error about not being able to get a handle for /dev/raw1394 |
| [19:34:54] | Cyber-Dogg: | then I recompiled my kernel and included raw1394 (I had only included ieee1394 stack first time) |
| [19:35:04] | Cyber-Dogg: | reran plugreport and I get nothing now |
| [19:35:18] | Cyber-Dogg: | plugctl however still barfs and complains about not being able to get a handle |
| [19:35:27] | juski: | iamlindoro: and as each little bit gets further into the compile, I think I'm picking up some OO concepts little by little too. I bloody hope so anyway |
| [19:35:29] | Cyber-Dogg: | I have a DCH6200 and I've tested it on my windows machine with VLC and have it working fine |
| [19:35:42] | Cyber-Dogg: | so as far as I can tell it's something on my gentoo box |
| [19:35:44] | Cyber-Dogg: | any thoughts? |
| [19:36:02] | Cyber-Dogg: | I've never used firewire on a linux box before so I'm new to it... :/ |
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| [19:38:42] | GreyFoxx: | ahhh ok |
| [19:39:12] | GreyFoxx: | the code that grabs the episode screenshots isn't following the html 302 cover redirecting to a new url |
| [19:39:57] | GreyFoxx: | well, at least it wasn't something I did wrong heh |
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| [19:41:31] | juski: | silly compiler. it tells me what possible candidates are, then when I try & use them it still borks |
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| [19:43:26] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: is that httpcomms? iirc there was already an outstanding issue in mythnews with it's failure to follow redirects, think a ticket exists |
| [19:43:45] | GreyFoxx: | I believe so |
| [19:45:05] | GreyFoxx: | nope,m QHttp |
| [19:46:44] | gbee: | hmm, maybe it was direct usage of QHttp in mythnews, even if not it's the same issue since httpcomms is based on QT's http stuff |
| [19:46:56] | GreyFoxx: | It doesn't seem to say anything about following directs on the Qt docs |
| [19:47:14] | GreyFoxx: | Sounds like something I would expect to be in there as it's so common |
| [19:47:31] | GreyFoxx: | I'm cheating for now for the screenshots since all of them are just changing the hostname and the rest of the path is the same |
| [19:47:32] | gbee: | we should be able to handle it ourselves in httpcomms, check the status code and headers for the new url and retry |
| [19:47:38] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [19:48:21] | gbee: | then swap mythvideo and elsewhere to use it |
| [19:48:39] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: don't know if the code is now different, but in -fixes, the cover file download also didn't do the redirect properly (saved the HTML page of the redirect as the poster image) |
| [19:49:08] | GreyFoxx: | yay, it works now (using a regexp ot change the host) |
| [19:49:09] | sphery: | I'm guessing the code hasn't changed |
| [19:50:04] | GreyFoxx: | http://phaze.org/mythtv/pics/episodeimage5.png |
| [19:50:34] | brad2: | grey: awesome screenshot |
| [19:50:35] | GreyFoxx: | so I'll clean this up a bit, and commit as is. But I might take a look at httpcomms and if I can get it working might port this over to it |
| [19:51:07] | GreyFoxx: | brad2: Thank iamlindoro: He wrote the them, and the stuff that grabs the fanart and such :) |
| [19:51:14] | GreyFoxx: | I just wrote the stuff to grab the screenshot too :) |
| [19:51:21] | GreyFoxx: | he did the hard part :) |
| [19:51:25] | wagnerrp: | going through tv metadata.... is there any way to deal with TV order vs. DVD order? |
| [19:51:40] | juski: | oh now you just want a cherry on top |
| [19:51:51] | yfaykya: | greyfox: What view is that? I guess thats the info screen? |
| [19:51:59] | wagnerrp: | or do i just set things to TV order and be happy with it? |
| [19:52:21] | juski: | wagnerrp: I suppose until such time as tvdb.com deals with box set metadata.. |
| [19:52:29] | GreyFoxx: | yeah the itemdetails popup. , in my case I have my boxes all pop that up when I select a video in the gallery |
| [19:52:46] | wagnerrp: | juski: oh but they do... if you go to the page, you can flip between the two episode orders |
| [19:52:54] | juski: | heh |
| [19:52:56] | yfaykya: | you going to commit that theme change? Very nice |
| [19:53:14] | juski: | yfaykya: it's iamlindoro |
| [19:53:16] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: looks like with QHttp you have to check the status code and, for redirects, do it yourself. |
| [19:53:16] | GreyFoxx: | yfaykya: That'll be up to iamlindoro :) |
| [19:53:21] | juski: | er it's iamlindoro's theme |
| [19:53:42] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Yeah. I had hoped they would have a flag to pass so it would just automatically do it |
| [19:53:49] | yfaykya: | graphite. Can you post a diff so I can try it out? :-) |
| [19:54:00] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: yeah, seems it's an oft-requested feature |
| [19:54:00] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: : what res? noticing some truncated strings |
| [19:54:01] | juski: | ****ing ****er c***ing code! I'm gonna do this if it frickin takes me til 0.23 |
| [19:54:14] | wagnerrp: | a diff? you only diff files that already exist |
| [19:54:21] | wagnerrp: | graphite is not currently in trunk |
| [19:54:23] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: 1366x768 |
| [19:54:47] | yfaykya: | a diff between the tar ball version and what he has |
| [19:54:52] | GreyFoxx: | yfaykya: iamlindoro has it up somewhere. My patch is only for the litte screen shot |
| [19:55:01] | GreyFoxx: | I haven't had to touch the theme |
| [19:55:01] | yfaykya: | yeah that what I mean |
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| [19:55:12] | GreyFoxx: | mine changes are in mythvideo itself |
| [19:55:21] | GreyFoxx: | they will be commited tonight or tomorrow |
| [19:55:21] | gbee: | assuming it's not a problem at 1280x720 I'm going to assume it's that stupid font scaling again, another thing I need to look at |
| [19:55:22] | yfaykya: | Ah ok. I thought you changed video-ui to make the info screen look like that |
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| [19:55:38] | GreyFoxx: | yfaykya: I thought I had to but turned out I was wrong :) |
| [19:55:47] | yfaykya: | :-) |
| [19:55:51] | juski: | gonna rest my feeble brain for a while & come back in a bit |
| [19:55:58] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: iaml: Mentioned change something font related, but I see that on several screens in mythcenter as well |
| [19:56:34] | laga_: | juski: c++ is a bitch if it's your first language |
| [19:56:34] | juski: | could be worse, least it doesn't look like ass, as some themes which will remain nameless do :) |
| [19:56:36] | yfaykya: | now if only I could convince Justin to update blootube :-) |
| [19:56:49] | juski: | yfaykya: NO |
| [19:56:54] | GreyFoxx: | You'd be more likely to convince him to eat hot lava |
| [19:56:57] | wagnerrp: | GreyFoxx: is that a little preview window in the bottom corner? |
| [19:57:04] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: yeah |
| [19:57:07] | juski: | blootube is going in the bin if nobody else maintains it |
| [19:57:28] | wagnerrp: | ah, fancy |
| [19:57:33] | GreyFoxx: | wagnerrp: Well a "screenshot" auto downloaded from ttvdb along with the rest of the meta data |
| [19:57:43] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: well it's a common issue with older themes because less care was taken to ensure the text areas where sufficiently large enough, but I know iamlindoro was being more careful with graphite |
| [19:57:45] | juski: | if I ever get over this bit of code & get some other things on my todo list done, I'll be back with another kickass theme. Maybe |
| [19:57:45] | GreyFoxx: | and eventually we will auto generate from the video itself |
| [19:58:25] | juski: | I might even be the first person to use animated rotation.. if I pull it off :D |
| [19:58:26] | yfaykya: | justki : The monster you released ;-) |
| [19:58:53] | gbee: | iamlindoro: having both the rating value and stars is redundant? Maybe that space could be used to give the director line double the width? |
| [19:58:57] | yfaykya: | Ya can't kill it.. It had a lot of armour^h^h^h^h^h^h users ! |
| [19:59:07] | yfaykya: | s/had/has/ |
| [19:59:24] | gbee: | iamlindoro: just a friendly suggestion :) |
| [19:59:31] | juski: | something *similar* to blootube-wide might be cool when we have themable buttonlist paths |
| [19:59:54] | juski: | anyway this is all just pie-in-the-sky talk :D |
| [20:00:02] | yfaykya: | My wife only like blootube so sneak on Terra/Graphite when she is away |
| [20:00:03] | gbee: | would have had them by now if I hadn't accidentally deleted the changes |
| [20:00:26] | juski: | if I beat this, I'll take them on |
| [20:00:39] | yfaykya: | juski : What you working on? |
| [20:01:02] | juski: | moving image effects out of mythimage into the painters so I can add a new effect – rotate |
| [20:01:20] | juski: | or at least laying the groundwork for that |
| [20:01:21] | yfaykya: | nice one. |
| [20:01:28] | juski: | because I want to do an analogue clock widget |
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| [20:01:34] | juski: | damnit |
| [20:03:08] | juski: | analogue clocks using bitmaps kinda rely on being able to rotate images – unless you really wanna pee memory into the gutter ;) |
| [20:03:27] | GreyFoxx: | Sweet, other than the ugly way of handling the redirect this is working pretty well |
| [20:03:38] | ** GreyFoxx goes to look at httpcomms ** | |
| [20:03:53] | juski: | and since blootube-wide, I'm not keen on peeing memory into the gutter. Meh |
| [20:03:56] | GreyFoxx: | and and I am LOVING this 'W' to grab metadata |
| [20:04:14] | ** juski dares somebody to bind that to 'U' instead :D ** | |
| [20:04:30] | GreyFoxx: | only thing that would make it bettwe would be a graball button or menu option |
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| [20:06:32] | yfaykya: | crap. My video are in /Videos/TVSeries/Series Name/Season X/Num Title.avi |
| [20:06:53] | yfaykya: | "W" won't work on them as it does not know the Series or Season |
| [20:07:09] | GreyFoxx: | I use Seriestitle/season#/title.s01e01.ext |
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| [20:07:33] | juski: | bit o regex could fix that |
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| [20:08:09] | GreyFoxx: | http://phaze.org/mythtv/pics/episodeimage6.png that's just pretty |
| [20:08:10] | gbee: | see mythmusic where we have a user configurable path/filename format |
| [20:08:13] | yfaykya: | I like the way the files are named now. Guess I will need to do a mass rename :-( |
| [20:08:27] | GreyFoxx: | yfaykya: or some mysql foo to update the database |
| [20:08:45] | gbee: | yfaykya: nah, sure that can be fixed to look at the path |
| [20:09:05] | GreyFoxx: | if I merge the watchrec screen demo over to this I will become a graphite convert :) |
| [20:09:07] | yfaykya: | Gbee : Yeah that would be better. I will have a look |
| [20:09:24] | gbee: | like I said, that's how we already do it in mythmusic, makes sense to copy the same stuff over for consistency if nothing else |
| [20:09:44] | yfaykya: | What is the small image in bottom left? |
| [20:10:06] | gbee: | yfaykya: screenshot |
| [20:10:20] | GreyFoxx: | screenshot from the episode |
| [20:10:47] | yfaykya: | How do we generate? I use mplayer to grab an image a few mins in. Does myth do this automatically? |
| [20:10:49] | brad2: | greyfoxx: what are you using to download all the meta stuff? Jamu? |
| [20:11:12] | gbee: | yfaykya: it's retrieved from tvdb.com, but for 0.22 myth should be able to generate them too |
| [20:11:17] | GreyFoxx: | brad2: the ttvdb grabbing included with current trunk |
| [20:11:30] | GreyFoxx: | I just highlight it in mythvideo and tell it to grab the stuff and it gets it all |
| [20:11:38] | iamlindoro: | gbee: re: rating and starts, I said exactly that earlier today in this channel ;) |
| [20:11:48] | gbee: | well maybe that's a little hasty, but the code has mostly been written, I just need to get it committed so someone can use it in mythvideo |
| [20:11:56] | brad2: | oh really? and what do you do to "tell it to download?" |
| [20:11:57] | gbee: | iamlindoro: yeah? heh |
| [20:12:12] | iamlindoro: | gbee, the "squish" comes from having carefully laid it out with one font, then changing after release |
| [20:12:15] | GreyFoxx: | brad2: hit menu, metadata, |
| [20:12:20] | GreyFoxx: | or press "W" |
| [20:12:23] | gbee: | iamlindoro: oops |
| [20:12:26] | brad2: | cool, will try it out, thanks |
| [20:12:57] | ** iamlindoro goes to read the backlog ** | |
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| [20:13:09] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro: When were your patches included? I want to see if I can grab season/series name from filename path |
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| [20:14:34] | yfaykya: | 21123.. |
| [20:15:24] | iamlindoro: | Need to have all the info in the filename, not the path, for it to work |
| [20:15:44] | iamlindoro: | ie title sxxexx – subtitle or title ##x## – subtitle |
| [20:15:58] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro – Gonna see if I can write a patch so it can look at path for info too.. |
| [20:16:20] | ** iamlindoro shrugs ** | |
| [20:17:16] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro: I hope you don't think I am stepping on your toes? It is just a little exercise for myself. |
| [20:17:27] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, "<GreyFoxx> only thing that would make it bettwe would be a graball button or menu option" already done here |
| [20:17:37] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, though it has its problems |
| [20:18:04] | iamlindoro: | yfaykya, Only stipulation I would have would be that there be no false positives, and that it not interfere with the existing parsing |
| [20:18:11] | iamlindoro: | yfaykya, Otherwise, no objection at all |
| [20:19:04] | yfaykya: | ok cool. I don't imagine it being committed or anything. My 2 choices are rename 2500 videos or add that bit of code! |
| [20:19:22] | iamlindoro: | Don't see any reason for it not to be committed so long as it doesn't break anything else |
| [20:20:03] | yfaykya: | iamlindoro : Cause I can't code to save my life ;-) |
| [20:20:15] | iamlindoro: | Me neither ;) |
| [20:20:24] | brad2: | hahaha |
| [20:20:32] | yfaykya: | ya sure fooled me! |
| [20:20:39] | brad2: | okay if you can't code to save your life lindoro, we need to create new categories |
| [20:20:49] | brad2: | i would be "Can't code to save my life – 3" |
| [20:20:50] | brad2: | haha |
| [20:21:15] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: a graball would rock heh |
| [20:21:34] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, It works, just need a way to handle the barrage of popups |
| [20:21:45] | iamlindoro: | for failed/choice grabs |
| [20:21:56] | iamlindoro: | pretty small little patch, actually |
| [20:22:29] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: read that and wondered for a minute why I hadn't heard of this tarball alternative |
| [20:23:09] | GreyFoxx: | heheh |
| [20:23:14] | gbee: | obviously I'm dropping in and out of the conversation or I'd have seen the context |
| [20:23:52] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: some sort of background "queue" |
| [20:24:05] | GreyFoxx: | let it run all the time in the background grabbing 1 every 5 seconds |
| [20:24:10] | GreyFoxx: | let it slowing populate heh |
| [20:24:46] | gbee: | events to update the UI/images as it works |
| [20:25:34] | brad2: | do you guys use the rename command to rename files with regex? Or is there something i'm completely missing? |
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| [20:26:30] | GreyFoxx: | I just name them initially the way I want them |
| [20:26:44] | GreyFoxx: | but I also have a perl script that regexps out the season/episode and renames |
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| [20:38:41] | iamlindoro: | Stupid freenode and bip |
| [20:39:17] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, dunno if my last few messages got out-- GreyFoxx, did you get the update graphite link? |
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| [20:42:17] | gbee: | iamlindoro: nothing from anyone in the last 14 minutes |
| [20:42:29] | iamlindoro: | ok |
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| [20:42:37] | iamlindoro: | <iamlindoro> GreyFoxx, http://www.fecitfacta.com/graphite.080709.tar.gz |
| [20:42:37] | iamlindoro: | <iamlindoro> GreyFoxx, gbee: slight tweak to the item detail screen |
| [20:42:37] | iamlindoro: | <iamlindoro> GreyFoxx, Which by the way now has its own binding |
| [20:42:37] | iamlindoro: | <iamlindoro> (so that you can see it from all views without going through the menu in the non-gallery screens) |
| [20:42:44] | gbee: | last think I saw was "[21:26] <GreyFoxx> but I also have a perl script that regexps out the season/episode and renames" |
| [20:43:26] | gbee: | iamlindoro: new binding, or using INFO? |
| [20:43:29] | gbee: | etc? |
| [20:43:42] | iamlindoro: | keybinding just for the popup |
| [20:44:12] | gbee: | k |
| [20:44:26] | iamlindoro: | In Gallery you can set it to come up on select, but in the other views, you need to go M->Info->Item Info, this just adds a binding for the poup itself |
| [20:45:00] | iamlindoro: | (though it's unbound by default) |
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| [20:46:24] | ** sphery wonders if he'll regret doing something he vowed never to do ** | |
| [20:46:46] | iamlindoro: | I'm sure people will believe she said she was 18 |
| [20:46:52] | sphery: | heh... |
| [20:47:18] | meshe: | sphery: use xb mc? |
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| [20:47:36] | sphery: | I wrote up a partial description of why changing channel/input priorities may do things people wouldn't expect rather than just saying, "Read Section 12 of the HOWTO." |
| [20:48:34] | sphery: | I just wonder how many people will take that partial description and--not even reading section 12--start whining about Myth's design or make configuration decisions based on partial info or ... |
| [20:54:36] | kormoc: | meshe, it's kozp around here! |
| [20:55:09] | sphery: | hey, it's finally catching on! |
| [20:55:13] | sphery: | I'm a trendsetter! |
| [20:55:28] | ** meshe blinks ** | |
| [20:55:32] | kormoc: | meshe, rot13 |
| [20:55:34] | sphery: | rot-13 that |
| [20:55:38] | meshe: | ahh |
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| [20:56:30] | brad2: | in the latest trunk is there still the video manager? I can't figure out how to scan for my videos |
| [20:56:31] | brad2: | lol |
| [20:57:06] | kormoc: | Setup -> Media -> Manage Videos -> wait -> done |
| [20:57:10] | kormoc: | or something along those lines |
| [20:57:18] | brad2: | thanks kormoc |
| [20:57:32] | iamlindoro: | trunk |
| [20:57:48] | kormoc: | Did it's location change? |
| [20:57:50] | iamlindoro: | Enter MythVideo (no need for the manager), press M, scan for changes, leave mythvideo, count to five, enter mythvideo |
| [20:58:09] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, It's still there, just no need for it and it doesn't scan on entry |
| [20:58:23] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [20:58:26] | iamlindoro: | (and it's still afflicted with the "five second rule" regardless) |
| [20:58:33] | kormoc: | I only ever use mythweb to scan anyway :P |
| [20:59:08] | sphery: | but if you use Manage Videos and it takes you sufficiently long to navigate the menus back to MythVideo, you don't have to sit idle for those 5 seconds... |
| [20:59:30] | sphery: | It's all about processor utilization (not efficiency) |
| [20:59:47] | sphery: | where the processor of concern is behind your eyes |
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| [21:00:07] | brad2: | ah got it! |
| [21:00:17] | brad2: | what does the filename have to be for the metadata to work? |
| [21:00:19] | sphery: | kormoc: yeah, but stupid MythWeb only scans for filetypes you explicitly define :) |
| [21:00:32] | sphery: | I'll bet if it were Python, it would do it right |
| [21:00:32] | iamlindoro: | brad2, hrm? |
| [21:00:46] | iamlindoro: | brad2, filename for what material? What metadata? |
| [21:01:04] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:01:17] | brad2: | i'm trying out your new graphite theme, with metadata patch, that greyfox was showing earlier.. he said something about being able to hit W and download all the info, but the video file needed to be named a certain way? |
| [21:01:20] | kormoc: | sphery, well, once we get backend support for scanning... |
| [21:01:36] | iamlindoro: | brad2, What metadata patch? |
| [21:01:39] | sphery: | heh, I'm just working the scanning of recordings dirs :) |
| [21:01:55] | brad2: | ahh it appears i'm woefully confused again |
| [21:01:59] | sphery: | I'll leave MythVideo to those who actually have videos |
| [21:02:05] | iamlindoro: | brad2, it appears that way |
| [21:02:16] | brad2: | i thought pressing W in mythvideo produces some voodoo to download coverart etc. |
| [21:02:32] | iamlindoro: | brad2, "W" is a keybinding to download the metadata for the selected item |
| [21:03:02] | iamlindoro: | How successful that will be depends a) on the infromation in the online sources, and b) on your having accurately named the file |
| [21:03:11] | brad2: | and to download the metadata, does your selected file have to be named a certain way? |
| [21:03:25] | brad2: | i.e. <title> <season> <ep>.mpg or something like that |
| [21:03:33] | iamlindoro: | brad2, for television or movie? |
| [21:03:37] | brad2: | television |
| [21:04:03] | iamlindoro: | Title s##e## OR title ##x## or Title s##e## – Subtitle OR ttile ##x## – subtitle |
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| [21:04:13] | iamlindoro: | so pretty much anything sane |
| [21:04:31] | brad2: | thanks! |
| [21:04:45] | iamlindoro: | It should be intuitively obvious if the parsing went properly |
| [21:04:50] | iamlindoro: | ie the season and episode will be in the season and episode fields of the theme |
| [21:05:14] | iamlindoro: | There's no patch or voodoo involved, though, this is just trunk's behavior now |
| [21:05:41] | brad2: | yeah i think i tend to call stuff i don't understand "voodoo" or "patches" |
| [21:05:41] | brad2: | haha |
| [21:05:44] | iamlindoro: | And greyfoxx wasn't showing anything that unpatched trunk won't do |
| [21:05:52] | ** kormoc thinks brad2 lives in a voodoo filled world ** | |
| [21:06:07] | iamlindoro: | so, name a file "Lost 1x01 – Pilot.avi" |
| [21:06:12] | iamlindoro: | then scan in mythvideo |
| [21:06:17] | iamlindoro: | then highlight that file and press W |
| [21:06:33] | iamlindoro: | It should pull in all appropriate images and metadata |
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| [21:07:26] | ** iamlindoro wonders whether he should be documenting this, but thinks it's really not rocket science ** | |
| [21:07:26] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I never really got that episode title. After all, the Pilot only had a bit part (and, IIRC, he was actually the co-pilot and maybe wasn't even found until a later episode). |
| [21:07:34] | iamlindoro: | sphery, har har |
| [21:07:59] | mkrufky: | iamlindoro: does it work with other common episode naming formats? ie: LOST.s01e01.Pilot |
| [21:08:08] | iamlindoro: | mkrufky, yes, that format will work |
| [21:08:11] | mkrufky: | good :-D |
| [21:08:20] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [21:08:35] | anykey_: | iamlindoro: what about Lost-S01E01-Pilot? ;) |
| [21:08:50] | iamlindoro: | the delimiters don't matter, just so long as it goes $title $commonseasonepisodeformat $subtitle |
| [21:08:54] | iamlindoro: | with subtitle being optional |
| [21:08:56] | anykey_: | ah |
| [21:09:11] | iamlindoro: | can have spaces, underscores, periods, dashes, etc. |
| [21:09:28] | sphery: | just no null chars :) |
| [21:09:42] | sphery: | but that's not a weakness of iamlindoro's code--just Unix filenames :) |
| [21:10:00] | ** kormoc does title – md5hash_of_season – crc32hash_of_episode – subtitle ** | |
| [21:10:19] | iamlindoro: | So Lost1x01.mpg is file, Lost 1x01.mpg is fine, lost_1x01_-_Pilot.mpg is fine, etc. |
| [21:10:20] | iamlindoro: | etc. |
| [21:10:20] | iamlindoro: | etc. |
| [21:10:32] | iamlindoro: | IMHO any *sane* naming scheme is already parsed properly |
| [21:10:39] | juski: | right I've definitely broken DrawImage now |
| [21:10:45] | anykey_: | so no CRC32? :( |
| [21:10:46] | brad2: | i guess i am the only dumb kid in the room... move along |
| [21:10:47] | brad2: | hahaha |
| [21:10:56] | juski: | brad2: not as long as I'm here |
| [21:11:00] | sphery: | I'm surprised you haven't shared the not-sane naming schemes :) |
| [21:11:01] | iamlindoro: | I do not count Title/Season #/Ep# – Subtitle.ext as a sane naming scheme, btw |
| [21:13:15] | anykey_: | hm, can't tune some channels here with trunk, looks like the backend does not start to write the recording to the disk |
| [21:13:27] | kormoc: | yeah, you should detect if it's a hash for the season or episode numbers and run it though a rainbow table to get the real number, I mean really, is 42 tb of rainbow tables too much for a proper video collection? |
| [21:13:34] | gbee: | how long do you think it will be before people are requesting hash lookups for their freshly downloaded files? |
| [21:14:15] | gbee: | "but xbmc does it!" |
| [21:14:29] | juski: | I'm really struggling now, I've looked for hints all over the place but I'm stuck as to how to use the new struct in places that call DrawImage. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/justin.hornsby2/junkpatch.diff gbee – any ideas please? |
| [21:15:35] | kormoc: | juski, wouldn't that be void MythPainter::DrawImage(int x, int y, MythImage *im, int alpha, Effects effect) ? |
| [21:15:40] | gbee: | and yes, to all the xbmc spies who have got nothing better to do that check that we aren't casting aspersions on your favourite software, I'm implying that xbmc panders to thieves |
| [21:16:07] | juski: | kormoc: you tell me lol |
| [21:16:31] | kormoc: | juski, afaik, you need to type (Effects) and name (effect) the parameters for functions |
| [21:16:37] | juski: | fell into the old 'it compiled, so it's good' trap |
| [21:16:45] | gbee: | juski: kormoc has you covered |
| [21:17:13] | brad2: | another dumb question: http://phaze.org/mythtv/pics/episodeimage6.png is this some special view? Or just the browser view? |
| [21:17:45] | iamlindoro: | Item detail screen |
| [21:17:50] | iamlindoro: | Press I->Item Details |
| [21:18:23] | gbee: | juski: for the DrawImage() calls you can create an empty Effects struct and pass that |
| [21:18:26] | brad2: | ahhh, now i got it |
| [21:18:27] | brad2: | very cool! |
| [21:18:30] | brad2: | ;) |
| [21:18:43] | juski: | gbee: I was trying that but it was falling out in the compile |
| [21:18:55] | juski: | presumably because I got the define of the virtual void wrong |
| [21:18:59] | Captain_Murdoch: | juski, and don't put "Effects effect;" inside your DrawImages, you want to use the one passed in. |
| [21:19:03] | gbee: | probably because of the former mentioned problem |
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| [21:19:28] | gbee: | ^^ |
| [21:19:33] | juski: | Captain_Murdoch: roger. I think. Heh I'm bloody useless |
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| [21:19:52] | juski: | thanks for the hints guys. Much appreciated :) |
| [21:20:09] | gbee: | juski: next time stick it in pastebin.ca so we can easily edit it to show you what we mean |
| [21:20:31] | juski: | hope there's no next time, but I think we all know there will be ;) |
| [21:21:04] | juski: | cheers. I'll keep chipping on. We really need this |
| [21:21:28] | juski: | that's what everyone says about their own patches heh |
| [21:21:38] | gbee: | once you know it well this will all be worthwhile |
| [21:22:07] | gbee: | juski: it's appreciated just having someone else willing to work on these mythui jobs |
| [21:22:16] | Captain_Murdoch: | anyone know of any reason other than QPainter::drawRoundedRect() that we need Qt 4.4 instead of 4.3? |
| [21:22:41] | juski: | I've wanted to be able to do stuff like this since the year dot. wishing for new features gets nobody anywhere |
| [21:22:46] | kormoc: | I thought there was a webkit reason for QT 4.4? |
| [21:22:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | (ignoring webkit that is) |
| [21:22:51] | Captain_Murdoch: | :) |
| [21:23:03] | gbee: | we're on 4.5 now aren't we? |
| [21:23:03] | kormoc: | heh |
| [21:23:09] | linxeh: | is it possible to have a myth frontend that can play back dvds from a local dvd drive ? |
| [21:23:11] | Captain_Murdoch: | trying to compile trunk on my FC5 frontend to see if I can get away with it rather than having to upgrade the frontend. |
| [21:23:12] | kormoc: | (I am personally) |
| [21:23:25] | kormoc: | linxeh, erm... it does already? |
| [21:23:28] | linxeh: | or does that work by having multiple backends? ie a hybrid backend/frontend box, and another backened |
| [21:23:37] | Captain_Murdoch: | I'm still compiling successfully with 4.4 |
| [21:23:48] | kormoc: | linxeh, for things like videos, dvds, music, it's all local on the frontend |
| [21:23:54] | gbee: | nah, pretty sure we bumped it to 4.5 for something, might be mentioned in the -developers list |
| [21:24:00] | Captain_Murdoch: | and just modified the few places that needed drawRoundedRect() to see if I could get it to compile with 4.3 for kicks. |
| [21:24:10] | Captain_Murdoch: | might be a plugin or something. |
| [21:24:17] | gbee: | or not |
| [21:24:23] | linxeh: | kormoc: so it doesnt stream music etc from the backend? |
| [21:24:27] | gbee: | hmm, now that's going to bug me |
| [21:24:29] | kormoc: | linxeh, right |
| [21:24:44] | linxeh: | kormoc: so one does that with nfs etc to share a library ? |
| [21:24:48] | Captain_Murdoch: | I haven't looked for 4.5 rpms for my centos boxes yet, still 4.4.3 on those. |
| [21:24:53] | iamlindoro: | IMHO most distros are shipping 4.5 now, it's worth having it for NSPlugin Support in Mythbrowser |
| [21:25:00] | kormoc: | linxeh, aye |
| [21:25:10] | linxeh: | ok, thanks :) |
| [21:25:13] | iamlindoro: | If only to shut everyone up about Hulu :) |
| [21:25:29] | gbee: | there was the plugin support (flash) for the webkit widgets, but that wasn't what I was thinking of |
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| [21:25:44] | linxeh: | kormoc: does it play the recorded TV files from an nfs filesystem too then ? or stream them ? |
| [21:25:59] | kormoc: | linxeh, those will stream from the backend, no need to NFS mount them |
| [21:26:15] | kormoc: | linxeh, there's plans to eventually stream everything, but it's not done yet |
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| [21:26:52] | linxeh: | ok cool :) thanks |
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| [21:30:59] | iamlindoro: | Defying Gravity is really good, can't wait until ABC cancels it |
| [21:32:44] | iamlindoro: | Oh, and here's a shock, Billy Mays had a noseful of Cocaine when he died |
| [21:33:41] | wagnerrp: | well its good... up until they come up with some lame idea of what is the real cause of this mission |
| [21:34:27] | wagnerrp: | 'well being a non-reality show on ABC we didnt think the series would actually make it that far, so we just threw something together late in the season' |
| [21:34:29] | linxeh: | and one last question – how well will something like an atom ion, or epia eden work as a front end for sdtv / dvd / divx playback ? |
| [21:34:54] | wagnerrp: | an atom would probably work for anything standard definition |
| [21:34:57] | iamlindoro: | For SDTV, just fine (though I'd take Intel over VIA any day) |
| [21:35:02] | wagnerrp: | not sure about an eden, but probably not |
| [21:35:09] | iamlindoro: | and for HD, and ION will work for most (but not all) material, too |
| [21:35:15] | linxeh: | I was just reading http://parker1.co.uk/mythtv_epia.php |
| [21:35:38] | linxeh: | iamlindoro: is that the atom being the limiting factor? I think I've seen other cpus with ion graphics etc |
| [21:35:39] | wagnerrp: | the Nanos are supposed to be around the same performance of an Atom, but the Edens are old chips |
| [21:36:01] | iamlindoro: | linxeh, An ION is by definition an Atom CPU and nvidia GPU |
| [21:36:02] | wagnerrp: | linxeh: the 'ION' series is just an Atom chip with an nvidia 9400 chipset |
| [21:36:09] | linxeh: | oh my bad :) |
| [21:36:23] | wagnerrp: | and the reason the ION can do HD, is because nvidia released the VDPAU API |
| [21:36:29] | wagnerrp: | which allows hardware decoding on the chip in linux |
| [21:36:39] | linxeh: | I've seen things like this though – http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/14069/38/ |
| [21:36:43] | wagnerrp: | which means you are now running under the limitations of a hardware decoder |
| [21:36:57] | wagnerrp: | rather than a software decoder and whatever CPU power you have |
| [21:37:06] | linxeh: | yeah |
| [21:37:55] | linxeh: | I want something low power, diskless, noiseless as a front end for the bedroom, and was thinking of a higher power frontend/backend box in the living room |
| [21:38:27] | wagnerrp: | ION will get you low power and quiet, assuming you run it off netboot or a CF card |
| [21:38:33] | linxeh: | yeah |
| [21:38:34] | wagnerrp: | just understand the limitations of VDPAU |
| [21:38:48] | sphery: | wait, I thought panaceas had no limitations? |
| [21:39:09] | iamlindoro: | Haha, I read that as "the pancreas" |
| [21:39:13] | linxeh: | I suspect that VDPAU would be fine for me; I'm unlikely to want to view HD in the bedroom |
| [21:39:19] | iamlindoro: | which was really troubling to me |
| [21:39:46] | sphery: | yeah, really don't know a proper version of the plural of panacea, but I figured I'd take a shot |
| [21:40:01] | ** gbee suspects that linxeh is a little confused ** | |
| [21:40:03] | iamlindoro: | panaceae |
| [21:40:17] | ** kormoc is very confused ** | |
| [21:40:19] | sphery: | it's greek-rooted, so ... |
| [21:40:41] | wagnerrp: | anyway, that system on fudzilla uses this board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813500022 |
| [21:40:54] | gbee: | ok, now I read that as "I'm geek-rooted", think we all need to get our eyes tested |
| [21:41:00] | linxeh: | gbee: why do you think I'm confused? |
| [21:41:11] | wagnerrp: | and is only an 'ION System' because Slobodan Simic is a dumbass |
| [21:41:21] | sphery: | linxeh: you're more likely to have less problems with HDTV on VDPAU than SDTV on VDPAU |
| [21:41:30] | sphery: | (how's that for twisted wording?) |
| [21:41:32] | kormoc: | gbee, did you know some guy name Stuart is stealing your idea's on the mailing list? |
| [21:41:43] | gbee: | linxeh: "VDPAU would be fine" "unlikely to want to view HD" – you'd only need VDPAU for HD |
| [21:42:08] | juski: | hmmm. in myththemedmenu.cpp a use of a struct is highlighted in my editor, but in mine it's not. there's a clue in there somewhere |
| [21:42:12] | wagnerrp: | its a shame that board is so expensive |
| [21:42:39] | linxeh: | ok, so that means the machine is more than capable of what I want, and will drive a HDMI display easily |
| [21:42:44] | gbee: | kormoc: really! the nerve! I'll have to send round the goons |
| [21:42:59] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [21:43:21] | kormoc: | gbee, you know, after I found out who you were, things made so much more sense ;) |
| [21:43:29] | gbee: | hehe |
| [21:44:44] | linxeh: | will SDTV stream over wifi ? |
| [21:45:07] | wagnerrp: | its all a function of bitrate |
| [21:45:08] | kormoc: | Depends on the quality/etc |
| [21:45:09] | linxeh: | yeah |
| [21:45:11] | juski: | depends on your luck. it doesn't here |
| [21:45:19] | wagnerrp: | anything under 10mbps, you can probably get to stream over G |
| [21:45:21] | linxeh: | so, for UK DVB-T stuff |
| [21:45:32] | juski: | linux driver for my wiki is too crap for UK DVB-T even |
| [21:45:36] | juski: | *wifi |
| [21:45:50] | linxeh: | ok |
| [21:46:01] | juski: | and that's in the same room as the router :P |
| [21:46:34] | qupada: | It probably depends a bit on if you're streaming the whole channel or just one PID from it |
| [21:46:53] | qupada: | A single 720p stream (NZ DVB-T) is fine over my 11g wireless |
| [21:46:58] | juski: | no, in practise it tends to be the solidity of the connection |
| [21:47:16] | gbee: | take your pick, you can have video, audio or subtitles, but not all three ;) |
| [21:47:21] | juski: | no use having 10mbits/sec if it's too bursty |
| [21:47:35] | j-rod: | I can stream mpeg2 hdtv over my own 802.11n wifi connection at home |
| [21:47:43] | j-rod: | g? notsomuch |
| [21:47:54] | wagnerrp: | well N is far faster and more robust than G |
| [21:49:43] | gbee: | damn, lost 45 minutes of a 60 minute recording :/ |
| [21:52:44] | ** sphery drives by j-rod's house and connects to his router in G mode to drop his N-connection to G... ** | |
| [21:53:10] | ** j-rod shakes fist a sphery ** | |
| [21:53:15] | j-rod: | get off my lawn! |
| [21:53:22] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:53:39] | sphery: | If you were in IL, I'd be worried about getting arrested for stealing wifi. |
| [21:53:55] | j-rod: | w/the ~200ft driveway, I'm mostly protected from drive-bys |
| [21:54:04] | sphery: | nice |
| [21:54:30] | sphery: | I have to turn sideways to walk between my house and my neighbors' houses |
| [21:54:59] | j-rod: | I think the minimum parcel of land for a house in my town is an acre |
| [21:55:07] | j-rod: | but they're stupidly laid out acres |
| [21:55:15] | j-rod: | ours is a long narrow strip |
| [21:55:19] | sphery: | that's cool until time to mow |
| [21:55:26] | j-rod: | so its actually not that far to our neighbor's house |
| [21:55:31] | j-rod: | and that |
| [21:55:42] | juski: | caipirhina time I reckon. that'll help |
| [21:55:48] | iamlindoro: | This is why god made teenage kids |
| [21:55:57] | iamlindoro: | cheap labor |
| [21:55:59] | j-rod: | whoever built the house, put the damned thing right in the middle of the plot too, right on a slope |
| [21:55:59] | jduggan: | and ride on mowers |
| [21:56:39] | j-rod: | that, plus the narrow nature of the plot and the no-longer-used septic tank collapsed in the front yard make additions... tricky |
| [21:57:14] | j-rod: | heh, our ride-on got banged up during an ice storm that felled a bunch of tree limbs last fall... haven't bothered to fix it yet |
| [21:57:31] | j-rod: | we need more room and a garage |
| [21:58:27] | j-rod: | when we moved out here from Seattle, we lost about 1000 sqft of living space and went from a 2-car garage to no garage. :\ |
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| [22:02:24] | j-rod: | methinks its a Ben Scott! |
| [22:02:28] | ** j-rod waves ** | |
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| [22:04:29] | juski: | maybe I should be quaffing Absynthe, and lots of it :) |
| [22:04:42] | juski: | I'll look at this again in the morning. I'm all stared out now |
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| [22:07:32] | linxeh: | thanks for the help :) |
| [22:09:44] | juski: | mmmm. Why don't any bars where I go serve this drink? Sad that I've only ever had it on holiday & at home |
| [22:10:13] | sphery: | kormoc: just trying to save you some work, here ;) |
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| [22:14:38] | kormoc: | sphery, yeah |
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| [22:25:15] | GreyFoxx: | You know what would be nice... would be the ability to just hit left/right or up/down while in the item details popup in mythvideo to go directly to the next items details popup |
| [22:25:43] | GreyFoxx: | rather than go out, move, in, out , move, in and so on |
| [22:27:24] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: In PBB you can do that with... these buttons on my remote... |
| [22:28:03] | sphery: | or, really, to go from group to group |
| [22:28:04] | juski: | heh I'm just not gonna give up on this yet tonight |
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| [22:28:53] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: Home and End? |
| [22:31:26] | sphery: | doesn't work on the details, but it works to "skip up a level" when in the list of recordings, so I guess it's different from what you're talking abuot |
| [22:34:42] | gbee: | GreyFoxx: that's how I suggested the item details popup should be done, thought that was what was done :/ |
| [22:35:24] | iamlindoro: | probably a 5 minute effort to fix that |
| [22:36:11] | gbee: | item detail popup just needs to be another layout like the other screens, that way you could actually show something from the next/previous titles if you chose |
| [22:36:59] | gbee: | i.e. it would just be another list, with either a single list item visible or maybe three |
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| [22:42:05] | gbee: | if that seems like overkill, I should point out that doing it like that would actually required much less code* than making it a separate screen and would let themers run wild |
| [22:43:55] | gbee: | *literally a couple of lines |
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| [22:50:20] | kormoc: | Whee, Ubuntu hijacked firefox to start watching where you go for 'usage data' and no policy on what they're doing with the data, whee! |
| [22:51:26] | gbee: | oh, that's not going to blow up in their faces spectacularly |
| [22:52:15] | ** gbee straps on the body armour lest he be caught in the crossfire ** | |
| [22:52:28] | kormoc: | "This usage data is important because it helps us channel design and development resources to useful features, and is also important because it can be tied to revenue generation." |
| [22:53:14] | juski: | and now the truth about *buntu comes out |
| [22:53:27] | gbee: | that guy is toast (and an idiot) |
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| [22:54:11] | kormoc: | Rick Spencer wrote it, he's fairly high in the *buntu chain of command, as he's the Engineering Manager for Canonical |
| [22:56:26] | gbee: | where's he been for the last 15 years? Does he not know that people really hate being spied upon by their software? There's a whole class of applications designed to remove spyware and he thought it would be a good idea to build spyware into ubuntu? |
| [22:56:45] | kormoc: | Evidently... |
| [22:56:48] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [22:57:09] | gbee: | this is going to be pretty ugly all around for linux and open source, the windows brigade are going to go to town over the fact that the code being open source didn't prevent it happening (i.e. no-one noticed until now) |
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| [22:58:18] | sid3windr: | do you have a url about this, gbee ? :) |
| [22:58:24] | juski: | wtf is up with this? wanting to record an episode of family guy & myth is saying it's not listed |
| [22:58:37] | sid3windr: | PEBCAK |
| [22:58:38] | gbee: | sid3windr: ask kormoc, he first mentioned it |
| [22:58:40] | ** sid3windr grins ** | |
| [22:58:43] | sid3windr: | ah, right |
| [22:58:49] | sid3windr: | kormoc: see question above :] |
| [22:58:57] | iamlindoro: | slashdot |
| [22:59:46] | juski: | 2nd time I've tried to record something on NOW & it's said 'Not listed' |
| [22:59:51] | kormoc: | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fir . . . /comments/24 |
| [23:00:17] | sid3windr: | thanks |
| [23:00:45] | kormoc: | and for what it's worth, I'm on stable ubuntu and it just installed today, and over-rode my keywords.URL about:config setting without asking |
| [23:01:18] | ** kormoc ponders if work will let him install Gentoo ** | |
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| [23:02:12] | gbee: | when some ISPs over here started talking about mining user interests etc for profit by intercepting their internet traffic it created a shitstorm that involved hundreds people calling the police, parliamentary questions and threats of mass exodus from the ISPs concerned ... and all that despite guarentees that the data would be anonymised |
| [23:03:05] | sphery: | juski: Not Listed means you have a timeslot recording rule and yet the show you've asked it to record in that timeslot does not appear in that timeslot anywhere in your 2 weeks of listings. It appears exactly once per rule as a Not Listed within the entire available listings period. So, if you have 2 weeks of listings and a daily timeslot rule, it will appear only once (on the first day) rather than every day for 2 weeks. |
| [23:03:28] | juski: | ah |
| [23:03:29] | sphery: | juski: probably your rule was created then the starttime was changed by anywhere from 1 second to a few minutes. |
| [23:03:52] | sphery: | if EIT, some have noticed that some provider's use of seconds is causing issues like that |
| [23:04:00] | juski: | the rule was channel record, it was apparently previously recorded |
| [23:04:05] | juski: | so I overrode it |
| [23:04:17] | sphery: | any time on the channel? |
| [23:04:21] | juski: | yup |
| [23:04:24] | sphery: | if so, it shouldn't have said not listed |
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| [23:04:50] | sphery: | who said not listed, too? mythfrontend or mythweb? |
| [23:04:59] | juski: | mfe |
| [23:05:04] | gbee: | kormoc: so this change has gone into the stable release? |
| [23:05:13] | gbee: | or did I mis-understand? |
| [23:05:21] | kormoc: | gbee, afaik, yes, as I'm on stable here at work and it's there |
| [23:06:05] | gbee: | ouch |
| [23:06:36] | gbee: | well, glad I'm not using ubuntu right now |
| [23:06:55] | gbee: | at least until it's revealed that other distros are doing something similar |
| [23:07:29] | kormoc: | 9.04 Jaunty with security and updates only checked, not proposed or backports |
| [23:08:02] | sid3windr: | luckily I never update |
| [23:08:13] | sid3windr: | it's already broken enough from the get-go |
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| [23:09:28] | juski: | got it recording now, tried deleting it from previously recorded & that seems to have done the job |
| [23:09:43] | sphery: | Wow. And I thought it was bad enough that when using Google's autocomplete (on Google's webpage), it sends both the query I select and however much I actually typed (and all my typos/misspellings) to Google. |
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| [23:10:17] | sphery: | at least there, there's an implicit permission for them to use stuff I send them |
| [23:11:37] | laga_: | kormoc: how does the multisearch plugin send usage info to google? |
| [23:11:45] | laga_: | or to canonical? |
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| [23:12:39] | kormoc: | laga_, the partner id that they pass in dumps the data into a google service that you can then download the raw data from |
| [23:12:40] | sphery: | AFAIU, they've just replaced the server to which search defaults with theirs |
| [23:13:05] | laga_: | and how would that benefit them? o_O |
| [23:13:27] | sphery: | is it really any worse than that data's going to "Do no evil" Google, though? |
| [23:13:42] | sphery: | (er, going to Google without being tagged for use by Canonical, or whatever) |
| [23:13:44] | kormoc: | http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partner-pub-2070 . . . earch&q= vs http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe= . . . fns=1&q= |
| [23:14:08] | laga_: | sphery: it is a slap in the face |
| [23:14:17] | laga_: | kormoc: interesting |
| [23:14:20] | kormoc: | or in my case, keywords.URL was set to http://www.google.com/search?q= and it overwrote it with theirs |
| [23:14:32] | sphery: | definitely should have been done with full disclosure, but really, either way it goes to Google |
| [23:14:37] | kormoc: | so even if you disable the plugin, you still have to edit back your keywords.URL if you changed it |
| [23:14:59] | sphery: | thus the reason user.js rocks! |
| [23:15:02] | kormoc: | sphery, sure, but I know it's going to google, I didn't know/agree for it to go to canonical |
| [23:15:15] | sphery: | guess that makes sense |
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| [23:15:33] | kormoc: | sphery, especially given they *overwrote* my user set setting without telling me |
| [23:15:58] | ** kormoc grumbles ** | |
| [23:16:17] | sphery: | wonder if it's overwritten before or after user.js is applied (i.e. only on plugin first start or on every firefox start) |
| [23:18:06] | T3Kn0 (T3Kn0!n=aarons@67.58.184.150) has joined #mythtv-users | |
| [23:18:51] | T3Kn0: | Is 2GB memory, 2.66 GHz Processor, and PVR-150 sufficent for a backend? |
| [23:18:56] | T3Kn0: | with analog |
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| [23:18:59] | T3Kn0: | not digi? |
| [23:19:00] | Dagmar: | Uh yes |
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| [23:19:04] | jphelps: | howdy |
| [23:19:07] | T3Kn0: | hi |
| [23:19:09] | Dagmar: | The wiki has documentation that tells you all this stuff. |
| [23:19:14] | jphelps: | I have a gentoo box here that I'm trying to get mythtv to work on |
| [23:19:19] | jphelps: | I'm having some issues with the firewire port |
| [23:19:21] | Dagmar: | In fact, search the wiki for "Executive Overview" |
| [23:19:38] | Dagmar: | #1 answer to firewire problems is "prime it first" |
| [23:19:50] | Dagmar: | #2 answer (and most hated is) your cable company thinks you're a thief and you're screwed |
| [23:20:00] | jphelps: | no problem on #2 |
| [23:20:20] | jphelps: | I've already tried the STB on my windows machine with VLC worked fine |
| [23:20:22] | T3Kn0: | oh neat! |
| [23:20:27] | T3Kn0: | thanks! |
| [23:20:41] | sphery: | T3Kn0: though 2.66GHz processor tells little of whether it's appropriate for HDTV--there's a huge difference between an Athlon 64 @ 2.66GHz and a Pentium 4 @ 2.66GHz and a Core 2 Duo @ 2.66GHz and all other processors that may come at 2.66GHz |
| [23:20:54] | T3Kn0: | I know |
| [23:21:02] | T3Kn0: | Its only analog though |
| [23:21:14] | kormoc: | T3Kn0, should be fine for SD |
| [23:21:21] | sphery: | a 2.66GHz Core 2 Duo wouldn't be bad for HDTV (future upgrade). A P4 wouldn't work even for US/ATSC HDTV |
| [23:21:31] | T3Kn0: | 10/100 sufficent for it aswell? |
| [23:21:33] | jphelps: | Dagmar: does the prime it first have anything to do with getting an error about /dev/raw1394? |
| [23:21:35] | jphelps: | :-) |
| [23:22:12] | sphery: | T3Kn0: 100Mbps is fine. 10Mbps will likely be too little--especially if using a 10Mbps hub rather than a switch. |
| [23:22:18] | sphery: | (and even for SDTV) |
| [23:23:05] | jphelps: | I think my issue is less about mythtv and more about my gentoo setup not being right yet |
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| [23:23:30] | T3Kn0: | I have a Gigabit core network, but the frontends dont have gigabit cards |
| [23:23:34] | T3Kn0: | so i can do 100 |
| [23:25:07] | T3Kn0: | If i have a Satellite reciever, the IR blaster goes on the backend, correct? |
| [23:25:44] | wagnerrp: | correct |
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| [23:25:48] | sphery: | yes, transmitters (including blasters) on backend and receivers on frontend |
| [23:26:22] | wagnerrp: | the backend controls recording |
| [23:26:28] | wagnerrp: | and everything that has to do with recording |
| [23:26:42] | wagnerrp: | such as devices needed to control set top boxes |
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| [23:27:06] | T3Kn0: | i know this is a vast question, because its really based on how much TV you watch, but, how big of a hard drive do you think would be sufficient? |
| [23:27:24] | wagnerrp: | as you said, entirely based on the user |
| [23:27:26] | kormoc: | E_NO_GOOD_ANSWER |
| [23:27:43] | T3Kn0: | i think im going to go for a 500 gig ;) |
| [23:27:44] | kormoc: | "Floppy's work for me, and are archived automatically!" |
| [23:27:50] | T3Kn0: | lol |
| [23:27:50] | wagnerrp: | assume ~2–3GB/hr for standard definition, 4–6GB/hr for high definiotion |
| [23:28:02] | sphery: | T3Kn0: for SDTV, you should plan at least 500GB, but at the price of a 1TB HDD... |
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| [23:28:08] | T3Kn0: | What speed of disk do you guys reccoment? |
| [23:28:17] | wagnerrp: | doesnt matter |
| [23:28:19] | sphery: | whatever one comes cheapest |
| [23:28:52] | sphery: | 4500Mbps is /nothing/ to a HDD |
| [23:28:52] | wagnerrp: | any one disk can handle half a dozen recordings simultaneously |
| [23:28:52] | T3Kn0: | so a 5200 RPM disk is sufficient? |
| [23:28:56] | sphery: | (4500Mbps = er, kbps |
| [23:28:56] | kormoc: | aye |
| [23:28:59] | sphery: | sorry. |
| [23:29:01] | T3Kn0: | i know |
| [23:29:05] | T3Kn0: | bandwidth is different |
| [23:29:12] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [23:29:20] | sphery: | 4500kbps = 0.5MiB/sec |
| [23:29:39] | kormoc: | a 1.5 gigabit per second sata link is going to be more then 4500kbps... |
| [23:30:07] | sphery: | and a typical SDTV recording will be around 4500kbps average and even HDTV can /not/ be more than about 19Mbps |
| [23:30:24] | kormoc: | the whole 1572864 > 4500 bit |
| [23:30:33] | sphery: | (in the US, at least--possibly more in some areas that use 8MHz for channels) |
| [23:32:52] | sphery: | T3Kn0: the most important thing is a) put your MySQL database on a different filesystem from your recordings filesystem, b) ideally put your entire root filesystem on a different fielsystem from your recordings filesystem, and c) very ideally, put your root filesystem and MySQL database on a different hard drive from any of your recordings filesystems |
| [23:33:18] | sphery: | a) is pretty much non-negotiable--the others are my recommendations |
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| [23:33:49] | sid3windr: | :[ |
| [23:33:50] | T3Kn0: | so paritioning is important then? |
| [23:33:52] | sid3windr: | I only have one filesystem :( |
| [23:33:57] | sphery: | yeah, important |
| [23:33:58] | sid3windr: | ah no, wait, I don't :P |
| [23:34:01] | sid3windr: | at least not partition wise |
| [23:34:15] | sid3windr: | but I guess that's what you meant – and not performancewhise ;) |
| [23:34:18] | sid3windr: | -h |
| [23:34:26] | sphery: | I mean performance wise |
| [23:34:26] | sid3windr: | damn, I corrected 4 typo's in that last word and didn't catch them all |
| [23:34:37] | sid3windr: | yeah well |
| [23:34:39] | sid3windr: | it worksforme |
| [23:34:40] | sphery: | but I also mean filesystem |
| [23:34:50] | sid3windr: | filesystem is split, but it's all on a big fat raid5 |
| [23:35:09] | sphery: | if you have an LVM spanning multiple partitions and concatenate it into one filesystem and put MySQL DB data on it, you'll have issues when recording |
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| [23:35:26] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [23:35:28] | sphery: | if you have one partition with one filesystem and put MySQL DB data on it, you'll have issues when recording |
| [23:35:36] | sphery: | assuming you actually record to that same filesystem |
| [23:36:01] | sphery: | if you have different filesystems, though, things will be much better |
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| [23:36:27] | T3Kn0: | why is that so important? out of curosity? |
| [23:36:35] | sphery: | if you have multiple filesystems on a single raid, you're still better off than having a single filesystem with DB data and recordings on it |
| [23:36:39] | wagnerrp: | if mysql runs out of space, bad things happen |
| [23:36:50] | sid3windr: | that I can attest ;) |
| [23:36:58] | T3Kn0: | myswl databases are so tiny though |
| [23:37:15] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [23:37:16] | wagnerrp: | but they need to be able to write when they want |
| [23:37:19] | sphery: | not to mention that recording a show and not being able to write the data to disk because MySQL has the entire filesystem in an I/O wait state means you drop parts of the recording |
| [23:37:34] | wagnerrp: | if you have no free space left on the file system containing your database, bad things will happen |
| [23:37:53] | sphery: | if, instead, you have a different filesystem and MySQL has its filesystem all tied up, but Myth can still dump recording data to disk, it's no big deal--MySQL will catch up eventually |
| [23:37:58] | sid3windr: | mysql can actually keep the unwritten buffers in memory as long as you have some and get off your ass to free some space |
| [23:38:04] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [23:39:10] | sphery: | besides, it seems that modern distros have figured out exactly how to configure MySQL to prevent performance |
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| [23:39:21] | sphery: | (and, no, I'm not missing the word "problems" on the end of that statement) |
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| [23:41:52] | juski: | binary logging ftl! |
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| [23:43:27] | sphery: | heh, yeah, that too |
| [23:46:45] | juski: | jees ubuntu, way to flatten my laptop battery |
| [23:48:25] | iamlindoro: | Heh, so I'm watching "the Mutant Chronicles" and I *swear* the blood effects were all accomplished by painting on still frames with paintbrush |
| [23:48:46] | iamlindoro: | and here I mean MS Paint |
| [23:49:20] | juski: | hey it was good enough for some of the KDE4 icons |
| [23:49:30] | sphery: | you sure it wasn't pen and paper? |
| [23:49:52] | iamlindoro: | sphery, sounds like a reference to its origins? |
| [23:50:00] | sphery: | yeah |
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| [23:53:40] | juski: | dum de dummm. make some more code changes... |
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| [23:55:48] | juski: | I'll look at this in the morning. been on hacking it all day |
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