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Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

AarononCall: PVR-150 and HVR-1600 analog encoder output won't have any significant differences in quality

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juski:

AarononCall: quality will be a little different, but certainly on a par with standalone DVD/HDD recorders

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juski:

if not actually *better*

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superdug:

I do have a serious question (please I didn't mean to cry wolf!!) ... does anyone know of a motherboard with HDMI that does audio and video in linux (well)

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AarononCall:

alrighty, pvr-150 it is then :)

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juski:

AarononCall: and a zillion miles better than S-VHS even :)

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iamlindoro:

superdug, there are dozens

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sphery:

AarononCall: you can only buy the PVR-150 in the US used as /your/ government protected you from buying "obsolete" analog equipment by suing Hauppauge

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sphery:

i.e. ebay

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juski:

AarononCall: incidentally you'd want to use the s-video output of the dish box for best results ;)

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AarononCall:

And i can do the whole ir blaster thing too then?

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iamlindoro:

superdug, Pretty much anything with nvidia 9xxx onboard video, many ATI cards

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juski:

AarononCall: yup

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sphery:

AarononCall: yeah, and see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DISHNetworkLIRCConfiguration for LIRC config

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juski:

some pvr150 kits even come with IR remotes & IR blasters

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AarononCall:

:) Thanks guys i really appreciate it

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juski:

otherwise just buy an MCEUSB

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superdug:

iamlindoro: they'll pump audio as well ... right now my HTPC has a dvi + spdif --> HDMI converter

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iamlindoro:

yes, audio too

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juski:

ker-ching!

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superdug:

cool ... I'm going to make a myth dedicated box I think

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dminogue:

all about the nvidia

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dminogue:

i did the hdmi with ati motherboard

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dminogue:

pita

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juski:

how much does a DVI+SPDIF -> HDMI converter thing cost then?

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superdug:

seeing as the hackint0sh myth for mac ... is becoming more and more interesting

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AarononCall:

I ordered a Dell PowerEdge 1600SC last week, its coming on wednesday, I think im going to run mythtv backend as a virtual machine on it

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superdug:

juski: I got it for $100, but I think buy.com sells them cheaper

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kormoc:

superdug, no hackint0sh talk in here

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kormoc:

$30 for a dvi + usb audio to hdmi adapter

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juski:

superdug: not bad, not bad considering what it's doing. not just a simple cable ;)

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AarononCall:

get a real mac ;)

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kormoc:

from monoprice

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juski:

kormoc: really? cool!

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sphery:

AarononCall: note that myth does not support running a backend without tuners/capture devices

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superdug:

juski: yeah, I tried cutting off all the ends and splicing them together ... apparently theres the whole optical copper mashup thing

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juski:

superdug: not only that, HDMI is data. the audio is embedded in the video data

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superdug:

juski: silly standards

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AarononCall:

Couldnt i stick the tuner card into the server, and then access the video from the front end boxes?

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juski:

AarononCall: yup

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superdug:

juski: I didn't go usb audio ... because macs in general get angered at multiple sound cards

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juski:

I almost bought a mac mini but what stopped me is the combined analog/digital audio output on one socket. wife hates having to turn the AV receiver on

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AarononCall:

i love my mac min

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AarononCall:

mini

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juski:

that & the guilt of spending that much cash on something to watch TV

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juski:

when really all *I* watch is about 6 hours per week

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sphery:

AarononCall: yeah, just wanted to make sure you know that you'll have to ensure you have access to the capture card even though Myth is in a vm

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AarononCall:

shouldnt be an issue

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AarononCall:

i love vmware. i do a lot with it

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juski:

sigh. fail to see the attraction in people using VMs for everyday stuff

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AarononCall:

well, in a server enviroment, its amazing. you can do so much

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AarononCall:

and save so much money too

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juski:

I'm also prejudiced because I keep hearing my wife's wales of woe when she comes in from work. They have a VERY serious problem with their VM setup

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juski:

they virtualised EVERY damn thing & consequently nothing works properly for long on their badly setup underpowered network

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kormoc:

The crappy bit with the mini is the lack of reboot ability and the limiting of the nic to 10/100 (no gigabit)

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juski:

wuh? no gigE? ouch

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kormoc:

juski, ooh, the hardware is gigabit, the driver is not

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AarononCall:

NUH UH

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AarononCall:

my mini has gigabit

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sphery:

kormoc: which driver?

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juski:

was gonna say..

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AarononCall:

uhm, the drivers that came with the mini?

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sphery:

is this a "$manufacturer won't release specs so FOSS can't do proper drivers" situation?

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kormoc:

sphery, forcedeth

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kormoc:

sphery, aye, nvidia

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sphery:

ahhh

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kormoc:

forcedeth: Reverse Engineered nForce ethernet driver. Version 0.61.

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kormoc:

AarononCall, there's no gigabit support for it on linux

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juski:

not that big a deal I guess, not for a frontend

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AarononCall:

ahh, i see. uhm

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AarononCall:

well, heres this

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AarononCall:

http://i25.tinypic.com/687mz8.png

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juski:

maybe if it had the power to use 1Gb/sec worth of data relentlessly :P

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kormoc:

AarononCall, sure, but on linux, it's not supported, which for a myth combined frontend/backend, you're running on linux

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AarononCall:

the one in my macbook pro unibody is a nvidia, also gigabit

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juski:

Apple's OS != Linux ;)

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AarononCall:

unix*

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

AarononCall, are you arguing that forcedeth is gigabit?

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** CoreDump|cf-18 grabs the popcorn **

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AarononCall:

no, i was showing that the mini does come with gigabit hardware lol

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juski:

heh if kormoc says, I believe. Pretty much

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iamlindoro:

"<kormoc> juski, ooh, the hardware is gigabit, the driver is not"

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iamlindoro:

Just as kormoc said

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iamlindoro:

for reference, immediate next comments:

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iamlindoro:

<AarononCall> NUH UH

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iamlindoro:

<AarononCall> my mini has gigabit

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iamlindoro:

Stay in school, kids

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juski:

anyway FWIW, the pile of money would look just as appealing to me under the TV

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sphery:

iamlindoro: you forgot your /nick bip

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AarononCall:

im 16 lol

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iamlindoro:

Then you should stay in school

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juski:

£500 is a lot to lay out on something I'd only watch a few hours a week on

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AarononCall:

juski, you have a good point

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janneg:

kormoc: I have to nvidia boards where forcedeth supports gigabit

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sphery:

that explains why you're so interested in the use of VM's in an enterprise/server environment

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Leftmost:

janneg, the driver or the hardware?

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janneg:

two

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janneg:

forcedeth is the driver

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kormoc:

janneg, how? the forcedeth is listed in the kernel as a 10/100 driver and doesn't show up as supporting 1000 at all?

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janneg:

kormoc: that's wrong

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AarononCall:

one thing, that i really think the mini lacks, especially in its intended use, is N wireless

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AarononCall:

it has G

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juski:

anyway, if we win the lottery at the weekend... :D

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kormoc:

AarononCall, mine has N

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Leftmost:

Hmm. I'm finding a blog from 2007 that says forcedeth had gige support contributed by nVidia.

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Leftmost:

It's possibly just miscategorized in the kernel.

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AarononCall:

mines A/B/G

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sphery:

kormoc: but yours is running Linux, not MacOS :)

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kormoc:

Leftmost, janneg, http://pastebin.ca/1517351

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janneg:

kormoc: grep -i gigabit drivers/net/forcedeth.c

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kormoc:

2.6.28, no change in 2.6.30.3

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AarononCall:

Maybe N was an option at the time, i dont rememebr

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AarononCall:

i have the intel model

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Leftmost:

kormoc, I'm well aware of where it is in the kernel, but as I said, it's possibly just miscategorized.

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Leftmost:

Unfortunately, I don't have a gige router or I'd test it and settle it.

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AarononCall:

i have the WRT350N running DD-WRT Mega, its awesome

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kormoc:

janneg, fair 'nuff, it's there, but sadly mine doesn't show it

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janneg:

kormoc: I transferred already over 80 megabytes per second with it

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kormoc:

might just be missing a card define then...

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kormoc:

ethtool shows only 100baseT/Full as the top

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AarononCall:

i think im going to get the HVR 1600 in case we get HD anytime.

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sphery:

then you could drop satellite and vote with your wallet!

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iamlindoro:

AarononCall, That card will still not capture HD from Dish

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iamlindoro:

As everyone has mentioned before, your only option to capture HD from dish is the Hauppauge HD-PVR

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AarononCall:

If i get an HD reciever?

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iamlindoro:

no, not even with an HD Receiver

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iamlindoro:

HD Receiver + Hauppauge HD-PVr (component capture) = only option

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sphery:

AarononCall: see my diatribe about content being encrypted until output from the STB and the only outputs from the STB and ...

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sphery:

AarononCall: at <hour>:52:59 of the previous hour

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superdug:

there's nothing overly wonky with the 64-bit build of 0.21 or 0.22-svn ... correct?

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superdug:

I know I used a lot of technical terms there

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sphery:

the difference between it and a 32-bit build is transparent to the user unless the user thinks he's smarter than the configure script

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superdug:

perfect

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sphery:

i.e. do /not/ pass any kind of cpu/arch/march/tune args to the configure

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sphery:

the /only/ arg you should use for the processor is --enable-proc-opts

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sphery:

which says, optimize /appropriately/ for /my/ processor

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superdug:

sphery: yeah, I left gentoo a long time ago extra flags aren't my thing anymore

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sphery:

heh, cool

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sphery:

guess I have to take back what I said about ***too users never seeing the light

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janneg:

kormoc: http://pastebin.ca/1517361

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superdug:

just I was going to buy 4gigs of ram ... and am not a fan of PAE

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superdug:

figure I'll do a ubuntu 9.04 64-bit alternative install ... setup blackbox or some other lightweight wm ... and into myth it goes

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janneg:

superdug: you should run mythtv as 64bit executable

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wagnerrp:

superdug: PAE does not exist when running 64-bit

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janneg:

64bit code is for multimedia purposes 10–15% faster

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superdug:

wagnerrp: correct, which is why I inquired about 64-bit builds of myth, as PAE makes me a sad panda

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wagnerrp:

janneg: does multimedia actually take advantage of 64-bit ops? or does the boost just come from the extra register space?

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superdug:

still trying to decide if blu-ray is "worth it"

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wagnerrp:

superdug: if your fe/be is using over 4GB of memory, such that you need to start swapping out pages, something is wrong

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wagnerrp:

superdug: it all depends on the size of your tv

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superdug:

wagnerrp: well that's the thing ... everytime I make a single purpose box/appliance ... it ends up doing something else

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superdug:

wagnerrp: 50" plasma 1080p

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janneg:

wagnerrp: mostly from the additional registers, but having a fast 64bit multiplier helps

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sphery:

superdug: As far as "it" != $$$, then I'd say yes. Unfortunately, at this point...

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sphery:

superdug: though I know some *cough* iamlindoro *cough* who would disagree with me

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superdug:

sphery: I know the AV nuts who would argue to the death with me about this ... but DVD looks crisp enough

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sphery:

I /completely/ agree

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AarononCall:

So i can connect tot he back end server with VLC and watch programming?

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sphery:

the difference in definition isn't worth the cost, IMHO

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superdug:

sphery: not to mention my DVD library is backed up to mpeg-4 h.264 files on my NAS

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sphery:

AarononCall: you could do connect to the backend server with mythfrontend and watch programming

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sphery:

AarononCall: you could connect to the backend filesystem and watch files that Myth recorded with VLC

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superdug:

kormoc: yes I know backing up dvd's makes me a criminal

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sphery:

AarononCall: but VLC does /not/ speak Myth

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** kormoc blinks at superdug **

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AarononCall:

oh, alright

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superdug:

kormoc: heh, figured I'd cut ya off early ... with the osx86 talk earlier

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AarononCall:

sphery, so what do i do about the program guide with dish network?

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AarononCall:

do i have to subrscirbe to that server

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sphery:

AarononCall: the $20/yr you pay for Schedules Direct will be the best $20 spent toward your Myth system

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sphery:

but, yes, that's almost definitely the only legal option for getting your listings data

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AarononCall:

i know, i was looking into tht, thats freaking cheap

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AarononCall:

sphery, mind if i PM

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sphery:

they do have all the channels you can get through DISH, so it's good

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sphery:

no, though I may redirect you back here if it's something others are more likely to be able to help with or if it's something I'd rather say once and be able to refer other people to later :)

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AarononCall:

ok ha?

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AarononCall:

anyways

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AarononCall:

i have 3 macs, and two pcs, which i want to be invoved with the mythtv setup. And a dell poweredge 1600SC server. SO it would be best to use the poweredge as the back end system?

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AarononCall:

if i do, the backend will be running under a virtual machine

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AarononCall:

but it will probably have its own ethernet interface

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kormoc:

I dobut there's pci passthough on vmware

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kormoc:

*doubt

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AarononCall:

*googling*

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AarononCall:

mythtv is mentioned on the first page

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sphery:

Generally, a backend does not require much in the way of CPU resources (assuming you're using proper capture cards--PVR-x50 or HVR-1600, digital tuners, firewire, or HDHR), so you should be able to put it virtually anywhere. However, commercial flagging and transcoding take a lot of resources. However, you can run mythjobqueue on any Linux system (even in a VM) and it can run commercial flagging and (with NFS/CIFS) ...

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sphery:

... transcoding jobs (so you don't even have to enable jobs on the backend)

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sphery:

However, the backend is the one part of the system that you'll want to be available "all the time", so putting it on a computer that runs all the time is ideal

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sphery:

if you make a dedicated box for a myth backend, choosing to use nice low-power (in terms of electricity) equipment is a big plus

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sphery:

those are my opinions... others can give you theirs

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** kormoc sighs and looks at the airport extreme **

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sphery:

Oh, and one more... A frontend /should/ be extremely powerful.

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sphery:

(and that extremely-powerful frontend could even run mythjobqueue if you want)

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AarononCall:

damn, you would think PCI passthrough would be there, especially because its for enterprise enviroemnts where SCSI cards are used

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kormoc:

AarononCall, they have scsi passthrough

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** sphery guesses they charge mucho $$$ for that **

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AarononCall:

how about a 2.6 GHz P4, 2 GB ram?

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sphery:

that's great for an standard-def frontend

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sphery:

underpowered for high-def

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AarononCall:

yeah, i only have standard atm ;(

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sphery:

2.6GHz Core 2 Duo is about the lowest I'd recommend for high-def

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sphery:

oh, and really, commercial flagging will not be a big resource hog for standard def

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sphery:

(though my backends generally do comm flagging at just under 2:1 realtime--so about 50–55min to flag a 30min show)

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sphery:

because I have only high-def

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AarononCall:

it just seem a little weird, when you consider that, for example, a high def DVR from comcast has a 200 Mhz processor in it

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kormoc:

and dedicated decoding chips

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sphery:

and a dedicated decoder chip

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AarononCall:

yeah thats true too

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sphery:

with drivers that you can't get for Linux

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AarononCall:

so a pvr 150 will take a lot of the load off the processor then?

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sphery:

PVR-x50 does video /en/coding

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sphery:

not /de/coding

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sphery:

but, yeah, it takes a huge amount of load off the processor compared to a frame grabber card

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sphery:

where frame grabbers dump raw frames to memory and the CPU has to encode them to a format of suitable compression to allow storage on HDD

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sphery:

the PVR-x50 dumps an already-encoded MPEG-2 stream that the CPU just has to write to HDD

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AarononCall:

u se

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AarononCall:

i see*

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sphery:

we all see

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kormoc:

Unless you're Mr. Wonder

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sphery:

or Mr Magoo

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AarononCall:

i have this really old tuner card here that i had working with mythtv, it was horrid quality though

[00:57:34]

AarononCall:

and it kept dropping frames

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sphery:

yeah, that would likely be a frame grabber

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brad2:

aarononCall: I recently tried HD from HD-pvr on a core 2 duo 2.4 ghz, and it couldn't keep up

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brad2:

it wasn't until i tried vdpau, that i got it working

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sphery:

(though the frame dropping was probably on playback, as I don't know that our encoder can handle dropping frames)

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AarononCall:

im not using HD though

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brad2:

ahh my mistake, i thought that was your question. Proceed. :)

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brad2:

haha

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AarononCall:

Why do they put FM jacks on tuner cards, i think thats a waste, because most people probably wouldnt use

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AarononCall:

it

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sphery:

what I've learned from my time using Myth is that FM radio in some countries (outside the US) doesn't suck

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AarononCall:

I also have a 4 port DVR card, is there any way i can get it working with myth?

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sphery:

though I'll admit that the fact that using the FM tuner means you can't use the card for TV is annoying

[01:01:35]

sphery:

DVR card?

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AarononCall:

http://lookforitoverhere.com/wp-content/uploa . . . R%20card.jpg

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AarononCall:

thats actualy the exact one

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sphery:

you mean using it with ZoneMinder?

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AarononCall:

nvm, i was just wondering if i could use it with cameras on mythtv

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sphery:

As you wouldn't want to use it for TV since it only does 352x240 resolution (compared to the PVR-150's 720x480) and 30fps with only one channel but as low as 2fps if using all 4 inputs

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sphery:

if you want to use it with cameras and ZoneMinder, then, yeah, use MythZoneMinder

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sphery:

(or just forego the myth part and use ZoneMinder)

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sphery:

http://www.zoneminder.com/wiki/index.php/Pico2000

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sphery:

Ha!!! I don't fix any mistakes at tv.com or imdb.com because of their, "All your input are belong 2 us," policy, but normally, I just see small mistakes. At http://www.tv.com/Harper's+Island/Ka-Blam/epi . . . /trivia.html , 2 of the items are completely wrong (confusing weapon types and people tremendously).

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AarononCall:

Well, heres the thing... I sit at my desk all day whenever im home. Heres a pic, of the desk ( http://i32.tinypic.com/2i6gcjm.jpg ), Im going to use the monitor all the way to the right with mythTV. SO im not going to be using tv out

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AarononCall:

guh i still dont know. I really wish i could have a backend setup, but i dont have a computer to spare, and i cant do it with vmware unless i use a USB tuner

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AarononCall:

are the USB tuners a big no no?

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wagnerrp:

why would they be a no-no?

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AarononCall:

idk, is the quality bad on them or anything?

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wagnerrp:

theyre just normally a lot more expensive than comparable PCI[e] tuners

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wagnerrp:

and most people dont like crap hanging outside their box

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wagnerrp:

but with digital, so long as you have reception, quality is all the same

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wagnerrp:

analog is a problem though, because there are only one or two USB encoders

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wagnerrp:

and you do not want a framegrabber

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AarononCall:

i know

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AarononCall:

how about 265 MB of dual channel memory, and a 2.6 GHz intel processor, will that be sufficent for a front and back end?

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wagnerrp:

thats hardly sufficient for a frontend

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wagnerrp:

and at 256, youre almost certainly using a P4

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AarononCall:

it is

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wagnerrp:

which at 2.6GHz, will be marginally capable of full bitrate broadcast ATSC

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AarononCall:

memory for this computer is SOOOO freaking expensive

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wagnerrp:

DDR1 isnt THAT bad

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AarononCall:

it needs to be installed in pairs

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wagnerrp:

no it doesnt

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wagnerrp:

only if you want to maintain dual channel capability

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wagnerrp:

it will work just fine single channel

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wagnerrp:

of course looking at that screenshot of the desk... im going to say pony up some cash and upgrade

[01:31:21]

wagnerrp:

$150 will get you a nice board, decent dual core AMD, and 2GB of memory

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AarononCall:

512 mb is 77 bucks

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AarononCall:

that box, is actually a load balancer right now

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wagnerrp:

load balancer?

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AarononCall:

i have two internet connections here

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wagnerrp:

that sounds painful

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AarononCall:

it conjoins the two of them, and shares them oth among the 15 computers

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wagnerrp:

kindof...

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AarononCall:

not that great for web browsing, but for torrents, holy hell, is fast

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AarononCall:

it doesnt do anything for web browsing

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AarononCall:

but downloading, and balancing between the computers is really nice

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AarononCall:

each with 15 Mbps down, joined is 30 mbps available for the computers to share

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wagnerrp:

im surprised you dont run into problems with it shifting addresses during web browsing

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AarononCall:

port 80 and port 443 are dedicated to a single modem

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AarononCall:

the box runs PFsense

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wagnerrp:

anyway, a 2.6P4 is certainly overkill for that duty

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AarononCall:

im aware

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AarononCall:

but it does a lot more than just load balance

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wagnerrp:

and similarly, its underpowered for myth

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AarononCall:

its a firewall, its an openVPN server, DHCP server, and some other things

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wagnerrp:

it would do fine as a backend, although you may want t bit more memory

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wagnerrp:

but frontend playback just wont cut it

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AarononCall:

i know

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wagnerrp:

not to mention the complete lack of tuner support under freebsd

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AarononCall:

anyways

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AarononCall:

heres this http://i642.photobucket.com/albums/uu147/aaro . . . 100_0092.jpg thats the load balancer, and modems and shit

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AarononCall:

and my 6 year old curtains :P

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sphery:

AarononCall: remember, too, you're not doing digital since you're getting TV from a satellite set-top-box, so all USB capture devices aren't equivalent

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AarononCall:

i know that

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sphery:

you really want a hardware encoder, and the one to get is the PVR-150 or HVR-1600

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wagnerrp:

well in that case, youre going to be standard definition (unless you go for an HDPVR)... and the 2.6P4 will be sufficient

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sphery:

there /might/ be some USB ones that will work, but do your research first

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wagnerrp:

sphery: i think one of the hauppauge usb tuners is IVTV compliant

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sphery:

and you could get by with 256MB RAM--especially with proper choice of (generally boring) theme

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sphery:

but you'll have noticeable delays in the UI responsiveness (as it pages the graphics in/out of memory)

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iamlindoro:

Good god

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iamlindoro:

this is clever with slight organizational skills

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AarononCall:

my setup?!

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sphery:

though I agree with wagnerrp--you're much better off throwing that $70 towards replacing the dinosaur with newer tech/better equipment

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wagnerrp:

calling someone 'clever' around here is a bad thing

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AarononCall:

?

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iamlindoro:

Like I said, he has slightly better organization/wire management

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wagnerrp:

clever is a user who tries to throw together a functional system using dozens of 10yr old machines

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sphery:

I tried to save some money by repurposing my desktop that I was upgrading as a Myth backend. Ended up costing >2x as much as buying all new hardware.

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wagnerrp:

do those extended antenna really help much?

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AarononCall:

i dont know, i use the WRT350N almost all the time now, i only have a G router up there for my iPhone

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wagnerrp:

ive got three APs scattered around the house just to get signal through the internal walls

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AarononCall:

because N only works at N speed when running in pure n mode

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sphery:

N = how do we make people think that something good enough (G) isn't good enough

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AarononCall:

actually, with N i see a lot better speeds

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AarononCall:

A LOT

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sphery:

G is fine for everything but large file transfers, where wired is a lot better

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AarononCall:

especially for transferring files, and streaming video

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wagnerrp:

N is actually a halfway decent replacement for 10/100....

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sphery:

for streaming video wired is better because of reliability/robustness

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AarononCall:

thats true.

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wagnerrp:

but considering ive been using gigabit for over 5 years now, im somewhat apathetic towards wireless

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AarononCall:

but i have never had an issue

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AarononCall:

my backbone is gigabit

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sphery:

wagnerrp: exactly... wireless is good for browsing the web/email on a laptop :)

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sphery:

(and, really, b is good enough for that)

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AarononCall:

but yeah, the load balancer/firewall runs PFsense

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AarononCall:

im considering switching it to m0n0wall

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sphery:

iamlindoro: nice job--inciting the masses to report invalid bugs

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wagnerrp:

AarononCall: whats the difference? theyre both FreeBSD/PF based firewalls

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AarononCall:

m0n0wall seems to be a bit more organized

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Figure it's my job since it's my patch he has applied :)

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AarononCall:

idk thouhg. cause im probably going to throw a junker in there

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AarononCall:

for the load balancer and fireall

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AarononCall:

because the machine its on now offers more power than i need

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wagnerrp:

i would say buy a little ALIX box... but with the way things are going, that might be too slow by the time it pays off in power usage

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wagnerrp:

i dont expect my box to run more than 50–60mbps before peaking out

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AarononCall:

each modem here provides a peak of 15.3 mpbs

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wagnerrp:

is that modem limited? or cableco limited?

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AarononCall:

ehh, no illegal discussions in this irc room O_o

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AarononCall:

PM for more info

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wagnerrp:

huh? how is that an illegal discussion?

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wagnerrp:

im just wondering if that is a limit of an old modem, or if thats just all the better speed your cableco offers

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AarononCall:

your asking if the modems are capped to certain speeds?

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AarononCall:

ohhh

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wagnerrp:

for instance, i have an old ADSL modem capable of no more than 8/1

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AarononCall:

my cable company offers 6 mbps, but its actually 15, but users only achieve 15 with surfboard modems

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AarononCall:

i have 2 surfboard modems

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AarononCall:

each capable of 38

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GreyFoxx:

The only way one could get awy with altering your QOS on your Cable modem is if the CableCo are incompetant fools

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GreyFoxx:

IT's trivially easy for them to detect and shutdown

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AarononCall:

?

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iamlindoro:

"?" is not the kind of question that ever gets answers

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iamlindoro:

use your words, dear

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GreyFoxx:

He's probably wondering where my comment stemmed from

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wagnerrp:

im wondering where 'use your words, dear' came from

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wagnerrp:

ive heard it many times from many places

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iamlindoro:

Every mother, ever, everywhere

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wagnerrp:

but i have no idea of the origin

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GreyFoxx:

I say that to my child all the time

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AarononCall:

lol

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GreyFoxx:

child gets upset, cries and stomps feet without actually telling you what is wrong

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GreyFoxx:

you have to remind them to use words to communicate :)

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clever:

wagnerrp: and they do turn out functional :P

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iamlindoro:

only in the loosest sense of the word

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AarononCall:

jesus christ, the local baseball team wins states, and they send EVERY fire truck in town through my entire town with sirens and flashing lights at 11 PM

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jblack_:

sorry

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** iamlindoro wonders why kormoc hasn't mastered C++ coding standards and gotten the auto-zoom patch done yet **

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iamlindoro:

Oh, I know, he's popped in to tell us he's done ;)

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kormoc:

not quite...

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sphery:

he decided to write a PHP Coding Standards wiki page to complement the C/C++ one ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Coding_Standards )?

[03:29:59]

sphery:

or a Perl one--with xris's comment indentation rules :)

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sphery:

compliment

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sphery:

nope, with an e

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iamlindoro:

I wish that kormoc wouldn't just let the other devs carry him all the time like that

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sphery:

well, when he finishes converting all of Myth and MythWeb to Python, then he'll be carrying them

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iamlindoro:

Think the patch looks pretty good

[03:32:35]

iamlindoro:

but what do I know

[03:33:32]

iamlindoro:

#6798 has GOT to be the #6796 guy

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sphery:

what, indeed.

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iamlindoro:

nuffin'

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sphery:

I stand corrected... I thought he'd paste the trace into the ticket description.

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sphery:

heh, I get an Address not found with: http://10.0.1.xx/mythweb/tv/recorded

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sphery:

must be an invalid ticket

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iamlindoro:

Oh it is ;)

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iamlindoro:

well, maybe anyway

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sphery:

Though I'm thinking the only reason he didn't paste a trace into the description is because there is no trace/error page

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kormoc:

I really don't get the indent example in the coding example page

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adicarlo:

iamlindoro: i wonder if I should put up a warning about this non-working card at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1250

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kormoc:

they take the item that's takes the line past 80 chars and adds a newline and pads it 80 chars....

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wagnerrp:

adicarlo: works for me

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adicarlo:

wagnerrp: rev 4?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, He appears to have a new hardware revision

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wagnerrp:

ah, dont know about that one

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adicarlo:

wagnerrp: aka model 1196

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iamlindoro:

(discussion in #linuxtv)

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wagnerrp:

ok

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adicarlo:

wagnerrp: yah I didn't mean all cases of that card... looks like a new rev

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iamlindoro:

adicarlo, It's possible stoth will have a quick fix for you-- if you put it in the wiki, please don't neglect to come back and remvoe it when it's fixed

[03:45:17]

adicarlo:

iamlindoro: ok maybe I'll wait until I get more of a picture on what is going on

[03:45:28]

iamlindoro:

ok

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adicarlo:

i'm very forgetful when it comes to maintaining documentation i wrote :(

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iamlindoro:

There are many orphaned wiki articles that confuse people, and we spend a lot of time dispelling old/bad info :)

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adicarlo:

yah altho the missing parts are worse than the fragmented or obsolete ones

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iamlindoro:

out of date information that suggests working hardware doesn't work is the most obnoxious thing ever :)

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sphery:

kormoc: if you're talking about runThreeTimes(), I would put the char *buffer lined up with QStringList strings , though in Myth code it's indented differently in different places

[03:47:56]

adicarlo:

iamlindoro: true

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wagnerrp:

i dont know whats worse, tinkering with alsa, or tinkering with postfix and maildrop

[03:48:09]

adicarlo:

i have no moral ground for bitching anyhow since if somethings missing I'm capable of adding it

[03:48:18]

adicarlo:

what I find somewhat incredible tho about this card is how little info I can find about it and linux on google

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superdug:

postfix > alsa

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adicarlo:

it must be very very fresh

[03:48:48]

adicarlo:

the pciids db had nothing either

[03:48:51]

adicarlo:

just my rotten luck

[03:49:28]

sphery:

wagnerrp: I'd rather tinker with alsa--since I've never used either postfix or maildrop

[03:49:47]

sphery:

(I'm a sendmail/procmail guy :)

[03:50:59]

wagnerrp:

sphery: all the howto's i can find seem to indicate maildrop interfaces with mysql directly

[03:51:01]

sphery:

adicarlo: http://despair.com/mis24x30prin.html

[03:51:04]

adicarlo:

eh? postfix is easy (ish)

[03:51:23]

sphery:

adicarlo: that link sent appreciatively from someone who was considering buying an HVR-1250

[03:51:24]

wagnerrp:

yet all the documentation seems to indicate no such ability, and that it somehow uses some other program... with no documentation on how to do that

[03:51:32]

wagnerrp:

and its all a giant mess

[03:51:48]

adicarlo:

sphery: i don't discourage you from buying it but make sure its older!

[03:52:10]

adicarlo:

i think the company in general is good and they seem interesting in linux support, unlike most

[03:52:44]

sphery:

yeah, I'll just wait until a more opportune time (when there are no known incompatible revs or good info on what to buy)

[03:52:55]

sphery:

I also like Hauppauge a lot

[03:53:29]

sphery:

Only reason I don't have Hauppauge cards in my system is because they didn't have any HDTV ones with good drivers when I got mine.

[03:53:46]

adicarlo:

yah

[03:54:15]

adicarlo:

i had a pchdtv in there before; kinda old and venerable

[03:54:26]

kormoc:

The more I slice this to fit in 80 chars, the way harder it is to read...

[03:54:28]

adicarlo:

worked damn well but then it fried one day — i think i got a surge over the CATV

[03:54:29]

** iamlindoro still has his HD-5500 in the rotation **

[03:54:39]

adicarlo:

iamlindoro: yah that's the one

[03:54:42]

iamlindoro:

HD-5500, and a couple of HVR-1250s, in fact

[03:54:43]

adicarlo:

you can't even buy'em anymore

[03:54:48]

adicarlo:

iamlindoro: wah

[03:54:55]

iamlindoro:

Really?

[03:55:00]

adicarlo:

i don't think so

[03:55:03]

adicarlo:

i couldn't find one

[03:55:05]

adicarlo:

iamlindoro: they both work about the same right?

[03:55:05]

iamlindoro:

They didn't replace it, it seems, they just don't sell anything?

[03:55:07]

sphery:

yeah, I have 4x pcHDTV HD-3000... Yesterday the one that was used to record the 2nd half of The Storm was in a dead state (requiring a power cycle/firmware reload)

[03:55:13]

iamlindoro:

http://www.pchdtv.com/

[03:55:27]

iamlindoro:

Looks like you can still add it to the cart

[03:55:35]

adicarlo:

e.g., they just demux the QAM and dump the transport stream

[03:55:36]

sphery:

2nd time that's happened--though the first time was due to channels moving around... I should really rescan, but don't have any recordings 'til tomorrow...

[03:55:45]

iamlindoro:

adicarlo, Yes, all the same to me

[03:55:59]

iamlindoro:

I'm sad to hear about unsupported revisions, I like the 1250 very very much

[03:56:12]

iamlindoro:

no effort at all to make work, has worked like a champ since I put it in

[03:56:45]

adicarlo:

well the big effort with my pchdtv was just getting the scannign going; I guess you guys have done a bunch of work on that since when I first installed it tho

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adicarlo:

and mapping one by one the QAM channels to XMLID and all that jazz, boy, what a pain

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sphery:

I have HD-3000's, which predate HD-5500, and scanning worked fine when I first got it

[03:57:53]

sphery:

though I will admit that you have to figure out the driver and firmware stuff /before/ scanning works :)

[03:58:03]

adicarlo:

oh sure

[03:58:11]

sphery:

yeah, the xmltvid stuff is the same

[03:58:30]

sphery:

we pull what info we can out of the stream, what's not there, though, the user has to add

[03:58:55]

sphery:

the 0.22 scanner should make it easier, though--allowing you to go through things after the scan and add or don't add things

[03:59:45]

adicarlo:

i wonder if I can take the scan reesults and channel table setup for my missing/dead PCHD card and just move it over to this 1250 --- if I can get that working, that is

[04:01:34]

adicarlo:

sphery: anyhow if you wanna learn from my mistakes, one question — do you have a CATV surge protection device?

[04:01:49]

sphery:

unless you're getting your TV from some other source (i.e. you're getting different channels through the new card than the old), you shouldn't have to touch your video source, which defines the channels

[04:02:07]

sphery:

adicarlo: nope, but I only have an antenna

[04:02:20]

sphery:

and the antenna is in my attic, so it won't get hit by lightning :)

[04:02:27]

adicarlo:

ah

[04:02:41]

adicarlo:

should be the same source tho I did hear rumors that some cards can pick up QAM channels that the pchd cannot

[04:02:59]

sphery:

I did have a surge on the cable line take out my cable modem, PCI NIC, mobo, and network switch, though :)

[04:03:24]

sphery:

so I could see using one with cable tv

[04:03:30]

adicarlo:

yow

[04:03:53]

adicarlo:

sphery: yah it was strange — my cable model, settop box, and even my haup 850 taking the analogue CATV was fine

[04:04:05]

adicarlo:

the pchdtv conked tho — maybe the cause lies elsewhere

[04:04:07]

** iamlindoro has seen some of those cable models **

[04:04:14]

iamlindoro:

always a skinny korean girl

[04:04:17]

iamlindoro:

;)

[04:04:37]

adicarlo:

erm s/model/modem/

[04:04:48]

** adicarlo mutters, 'skinny koreans indeed' **

[04:04:59]

sphery:

yeah, I'd recommend backing up your DB ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ), then delete all capture cards and delete all video sources ( http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 ), then set up video source, capture cards, connect inputs, then scan for channels. If you find you don't get extra channels, rather than copy over the xmltvid stuff, just drop the DB and restore the backup

[04:05:21]

adicarlo:

OMG why all that?

[04:05:40]

sphery:

you /could/ use the xmltvid backup and restore ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . nnel_scan.29 ), but it's not ideal

[04:05:58]

adicarlo:

or wait until 0.22 ?

[04:06:03]

sphery:

I'm working on a much improved version (though I probably won't do much until next week--it's a good project for when I'm traveling)

[04:06:42]

sphery:

well, the approach I gave you is the safest approach

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adicarlo:

i'm strong with sql so I normally do that kinda jazz in the sql console

[04:06:50]

sphery:

the one that's least likely to get garbage into your DB

[04:07:22]

adicarlo:

altho ISTR being able to rescan the existing video source and it worked ok

[04:07:32]

sphery:

yes, but no matter how much SQL you know, unless you know the data integrity constraints (which are 100% enforced by the application and 0% enforced by MySQL), direct DB editing is not a good idea

[04:07:58]

adicarlo:

that's true esp with the DVB, there's some twisty joins in there

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sphery:

yeah, and there's some stuff that's not joined per se, but that relies on data in other tables

[04:08:24]

adicarlo:

with capture over svideo its no problem at all, i hack on the channels table raw all the time

[04:08:28]

adicarlo:

no problems now for 4+ years

[04:08:46]

kormoc:

(that you know of)

[04:08:59]

adicarlo:

problems I don't know of are not problems :)

[04:09:23]

kormoc:

that's like saying all the folks who will have corrupt databases when 0.22 rolls out isn't a problem...

[04:09:37]

adicarlo:

not at all

[04:09:43]

sphery:

er, who have corrupt databases, but that don't know it :)

[04:09:52]

adicarlo:

its like that old adage, if a bug is in the source but nobody notices, is it a bug?

[04:09:59]

** iamlindoro FORBIDS kormoc and sphery to write them a fix for that, btw **

[04:10:18]

sphery:

sadly enough, I was just considering doing a real fix today...

[04:10:35]

adicarlo:

yah stupid mysql i do get those corruptions here and there

[04:10:38]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: well its even on kormoc's system of choice

[04:10:42]

kormoc:

adicarlo, that's only possibly valid if you could say they'll never notice, and that's never true...

[04:10:51]

** kormoc blinks **

[04:10:55]

adicarlo:

kormoc: its sadly often true

[04:11:14]

adicarlo:

there's plenty of bugs that no one notices and no one ever will — altho its debatable they're really bugs

[04:11:27]

** kormoc blinks **

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wagnerrp:

the mysql text encoding issue... it only exist on gentoo right?

[04:11:39]

adicarlo:

i get a nagios error tho when mysql corruption starts happening

[04:12:01]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, nah, any database that defaulted to utf-8

[04:12:24]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, Gentoo is the only distro that ships that way, but there's been people who have screwed it up on their own

[04:12:30]

wagnerrp:

ah

[04:12:32]

sphery:

wagnerrp: the funny part is that kormoc actually installed his MySQL properly /in spite/ of Gentoo's defaults :)

[04:12:34]

kormoc:

corruption starts happening?

[04:12:34]

adicarlo:

sphery: whats the diff between mythconverg_backup.pl and just mysqldump I wonder?

[04:12:51]

adicarlo:

kormoc: yah — it happens quarterly i'd say

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** kormoc blinks **

[04:13:03]

kormoc:

adicarlo, your distro/setup sucks then

[04:13:06]

adicarlo:

some badness when the schedules direct load is happening

[04:13:15]

kormoc:

sphery, it's that anal retentive nature of mine...

[04:13:15]

adicarlo:

my distro does not suck, thank you

[04:13:22]

adicarlo:

mysql does tho

[04:13:32]

adicarlo:

in particlar the crappy backend I'm using

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** kormoc blinks **

[04:13:42]

adicarlo:

the machine is nearly unusable when its doing a bit raft of DELETEs

[04:13:52]

adicarlo:

altho that's linux-io to blame too

[04:14:05]

kormoc:

sounds like you should just give up on linux...

[04:14:15]

adicarlo:

never!!!

[04:14:18]

adicarlo:

i'm a linux nazi

[04:14:31]

kormoc:

and yet you bitch and bitch about it...

[04:14:41]

adicarlo:

c'est la vie

[04:14:50]

adicarlo:

I've also dedicated years of my life to it

[04:14:57]

adicarlo:

i've earned the right to bitch

[04:15:03]

kormoc:

not in here you haven't...

[04:15:15]

sphery:

adicarlo: the difference between mysqldump and mythconverg_backup.pl is explained in mythconverg_backup.pl --help

[04:15:19]

kormoc:

anyway, sphery how close are you to solving it?

[04:15:32]

adicarlo:

kormoc: so touchy — i don't recall bitching at you or about you

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sphery:

adicarlo: basically the script just wraps mysqldump and adds stuff like compression and rotation and automatic DB identification using Myth's configuaration

[04:16:27]

adicarlo:

ah razamatazz

[04:16:38]

adicarlo:

seems like you have some useful xmlid stuff in there tho

[04:16:42]

adicarlo:

and other workarounds

[04:17:07]

sphery:

kormoc: Solving the corruption thing? I didn't start working on it. I just considered working on it.

[04:17:13]

kormoc:

ahh

[04:17:27]

kormoc:

I was thinking it'd be simplish to do it in and out of temp tables

[04:17:30]

sphery:

the only "solution" I've done is http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding

[04:17:43]

sphery:

the biggest problem is we have different types of corruption

[04:17:52]

iamlindoro:

The *only* allowable fix is when the distro screws up

[04:18:08]

iamlindoro:

when people have broken their DB by editing or using backports, you are both forbidden to fix ;)

[04:18:20]

iamlindoro:

Those questions to to australia

[04:18:23]

iamlindoro:

er go to

[04:18:27]

sphery:

we'd have to do detection on /every/ individual value in /every/ text field of the DB (i.e. row-by-row)

[04:18:41]

kormoc:

ahh, crap

[04:19:18]

adicarlo:

oh non-7-bit characters getting misinterpreted?

[04:19:41]

adicarlo:

are you struggling with how to detect the problem in the data? or how to remediate it?

[04:19:58]

sphery:

and the only way to detect corruption is to try to decode the raw value as UTF-8 and if no errors occur assume it was not corrupt and transfer it through varbinary to utf-8. If any errors occurred (for that one value), assume it was corrupt (already utf-8) and transfer the value directly (without going through varbinary)

[04:20:13]

** kormoc nods **

[04:20:48]

sphery:

adicarlo: struggling with whether it's worth the large investment of my time to fix an error caused by (and affecting) other people :)

[04:21:01]

adicarlo:

i've fixed that sort of thing before by dumping, running iconv on the dump, and then loading it back up

[04:21:08]

adicarlo:

but it looks like you guys maybe have a better way

[04:21:32]

kormoc:

we want it to be corrupt in this case, the problem is when it's not

[04:21:47]

kormoc:

it's an awkward, non-standard issue

[04:21:55]

adicarlo:

as for detection i've seen it happen in postgres, but it only errors when it, say, tries to UPCASE a string field

[04:22:18]

adicarlo:

i'm sure none of this is relevant but just throwing it out there

[04:22:29]

sphery:

kormoc: and, I have a sneaking suspicion that anyone who's language includes non-latin characters (i.e. CJK) will have corruption that I have no clue how to fix (i.e. we stuffed data into MySQL that it could /not/ represent with the charset it was told to use, so I have no clue what it would do--ignore that char or truncate or ...--but I'm sure it would corrupt the data, not just the representation)

[04:23:04]

adicarlo:

seems kinda strange, tho, that you guys are forcing latin1 rather than utf8

[04:23:23]

sphery:

adicarlo: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Dat . . . ter_encoding

[04:24:13]

kormoc:

sphery, not worth fixing imho

[04:24:40]

adicarlo:

sphery: oh that's very odd

[04:24:41]

sphery:

when we started doing Myth, MySQL's UTF-8 support was too primitive and could not support the necessary index lengths, not to mention using utf-8 would cause the majority of users' DB's to be 3x as large as they were when MySQL /thought/ it had latin1 characters (but really had UTF-8 characters)

[04:24:55]

kormoc:

sphery, it's what they get for not following docs/not checking use flags...

[04:25:44]

sphery:

Now that we require MySQL 5.0.15 or above, MySQL's UTF-8 support is good enough and since Qt4's Qt-MySQL driver is, er, flawed, going to UTF-8 was the best approach

[04:25:51]

adicarlo:

sphery: is it still true that utf8 strings take 300% of the size of say latin1 ?

[04:25:57]

adicarlo:

sphery: in mysql I mean

[04:26:20]

kormoc:

well, a multibyte char does take multiple bytes to store, yes...

[04:26:26]

adicarlo:

kormoc: no

[04:26:33]

adicarlo:

kormoc: utf-8 is variable — 1 to 4 bytes

[04:27:23]

adicarlo:

7bit ascii for instance should only take 1 byte; that's not the case for all of latin1 but... it should be pretty marginal

[04:27:51]

adicarlo:

however the backend might be storing it in a suboptimal way for the sake of easier indexing or something

[04:27:55]

kormoc:

ooh, guess you know better, I'll shut up now Mr. DBA

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sphery:

adicarlo: for CHAR it's 3x the size. For VARCHAR, it's not. However, for indices that use CHAR or VARCHAR, it is 3x the space, and Myth uses long text fields in keys in many places.

[04:29:58]

sphery:

that being my very naive understanding

[04:30:06]

adicarlo:

sphery: it probably varies per backend too

[04:31:22]

Wicked:

hello all. im thinking of moving my backend over to my home server and then using this current setup as a front end. but that will mean i will need to buy another remote for the frontend(only have a pvr-150)..are there any remotes that will pretty much "plug and play"?

[04:31:29]

Wicked:

or are there any i should avoid?

[04:31:38]

kormoc:

Wicked, mceusb

[04:32:36]

Wicked:

kormoc, and that will have a remote + ir receiver/blaster? or...ive never used mythtv in a front and back end...ive only used it as one.

[04:33:01]

Wicked:

will the front end be the one blasting to the cabel box? or will the front end relay that to the backend for the backend to blast it?

[04:33:02]

kormoc:

Wicked, aye, it's a usb remote receiver and blaster in one device, fully supported in lirc, etc

[04:33:07]

adicarlo:

Wicked: you only need 1 blaster — what yo uhave now should be enuf

[04:33:14]

Wicked:

ah ok.

[04:33:16]

adicarlo:

oh wait i'm wrong

[04:33:20]

kormoc:

Wicked, the frontend talks to the backend and the backend does the work

[04:33:22]

adicarlo:

it depends on what your blasting

[04:33:39]

Wicked:

well wait...i asked a dumb questions.....how else would the backend change channels....if it didnt blast.

[04:33:43]

kormoc:

Wicked, so if you only have one backend, what you have now should be enough

[04:33:45]

adicarlo:

i use my blaster mostly to drive my settop box, so, it goes with the backend function

[04:33:58]

Wicked:

well i want to move the backend to my server.

[04:33:59]

adicarlo:

Wicked: right

[04:34:23]

Wicked:

and i only have one pvr-150..so i need a way to have a remote with this frontend

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kormoc:

Wicked, still, the mceusb is a great remote even if you don't use the blaster part of it

[04:34:49]

Wicked:

not unless there is some voodoo im not understanding at work

[04:35:00]

adicarlo:

Wicked: yah its really not super complicated to tweeze apart the frontend and backend

[04:35:18]

Wicked:

kormoc, ah ill have to check them out? are they pretty cheap? or are they a higher end(more expensive) remote?

[04:35:20]

adicarlo:

i have 2 backends, X frontends (one for each computer), etc

[04:35:28]

kormoc:

Wicked, they're like $30ish iirc

[04:35:36]

Wicked:

ah thats prob doable for me.

[04:35:41]

Wicked:

im broke ;0

[04:35:47]

iamlindoro:

The anyware mce remote at newegg works out of the box with most current distros-- but it is *only* the receiver and remote, no blaster

[04:35:50]

iamlindoro:

ait's also cheap

[04:35:52]

iamlindoro:

er it's

[04:36:02]

iamlindoro:

so if someone needs just the remote, they can buy that for $20

[04:36:10]

iamlindoro:

remote/receiver, that is

[04:36:16]

iamlindoro:

and leave the blaster on the other one at the backend

[04:36:21]

adicarlo:

or you can get a wireless keyboard for around $20 too and avoid LIRC completely

[04:36:29]

Wicked:

ah i think thats all i need as i have a pvr-150 that will be in the backend and doing the blasting

[04:36:41]

adicarlo:

Wicked: yah

[04:36:44]

Wicked:

adicarlo, id like my setup to pretty seamless to a outsider...

[04:36:49]

adicarlo:

sure

[04:37:03]

adicarlo:

yah remote is better for the girfriend acceptance

[04:37:06]

Wicked:

i have thought about getting a gyro mouse or wireless keyboard

[04:37:17]

Wicked:

exactly ;0

[04:37:38]

adicarlo:

i wonder if lirc is ever going to go mainline

[04:37:51]

adicarlo:

damn i wish i was a kernel hacker and had free time

[04:37:57]

kormoc:

language...

[04:38:40]

Wicked:

my current setup here is ok...but this is my main computer...so when i record alot of shows and it flags for commercials....it kinda puts a load on the system...nothing bad but id rather have my server which is only a fileserver do the grunt work

[04:39:11]

adicarlo:

Wicked: hum, that's not reall a great reason to do all that work of moving your backend

[04:39:27]

adicarlo:

you can run another backend on another server to runt he commercial detection, even w/o the capture card

[04:39:31]

sphery:

Wicked: so disable jobs on your backend/main computer and run mythjobqueu on your fileserver

[04:39:38]

adicarlo:

yah

[04:39:38]

sphery:

mythjobqueue

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Wicked:

orly

[04:40:24]

Wicked:

this is interesting....

[04:41:33]

Wicked:

where would i find more info on setting this up? the wiki page doesnt have much info http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythjobqueue

[04:42:04]

sphery:

basically, you set up the host that will run mythjobqueue as if you were setting up a remote/slave backend

[04:42:13]

sphery:

but instead of running mythbackend, run mythjobqueue

[04:42:13]

iamlindoro:

RESOLVED: That this is the greatest preview ever generated by a backend: http://www.fecitfacta.com/screen.png

[04:42:36]

iamlindoro:

or possibly the one above it

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Wicked:

is that .22?

[04:43:00]

iamlindoro:

trunk

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sphery:

actually, that's trunk++

[04:43:19]

iamlindoro:

heh

[04:43:27]

adicarlo:

oh you guys have branched 0.22 already?

[04:43:29]

Wicked:

cool. ive been wanting to try .22....but dont have an extra puter to play with. and dont want to mess up my current setup

[04:43:33]

sphery:

it's like someone took trunk and applied random patches to it

[04:43:41]

kormoc:

adicarlo, no, if we branched it, it would be 0.22, we haven't yet

[04:43:55]

sphery:

adicarlo: no, there's no such thing as 0.22, but that doesn't stop people from thinking there is :)

[04:44:16]

adicarlo:

sphery: ah yah ok just misterpreted a response

[04:44:22]

Wicked:

sphery, ill have to read up on setting up slaves and stuff...im pretty noob when it comes to having more then one box for both front/backend

[04:44:42]

adicarlo:

i can't decide if that screenshot is horrible or genius

[04:45:10]

sphery:

adicarlo: yeah, lots of people say, "I'm running 0.22" or whatever, so it's hard to convince people there is no 0.22--especially when packagers make trunk builds with versions like "0.22pre" or whatever

[04:45:24]

Wicked:

how is the development coming along? still a long way off? or is it all starting to come together now?

[04:45:33]

sphery:

Wicked: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html#ss9.3

[04:45:46]

wagnerrp:

Wicked: somewhere between a couple weeks to a couple months before release

[04:45:53]

sphery:

adicarlo: best say it's genious right now

[04:45:56]

Wicked:

oh awesome sphery ill read that over later on tonight :)

[04:46:03]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/screen2.png is more "normal"

[04:46:03]

wagnerrp:

frenchmaidtv?

[04:46:07]

Wicked:

wagnerrp, ah. i cant wait :)

[04:46:08]

sphery:

adicarlo: when a certain person logs out (which never happens), you can said it's horrible

[04:46:38]

adicarlo:

assuming I were diplomatic

[04:46:41]

sphery:

Wicked: development is coming along nicely... still some issues, but there's talk of having a release "in the near future"

[04:47:03]

adicarlo:

so there's not still huge swaths of UI that still need to be converted eh?

[04:47:04]

Wicked:

very nice! i wish i knew how to code.

[04:47:14]

wagnerrp:

so is warehouse 13 the only show there not about sex?

[04:47:23]

adicarlo:

i know how to code but c++ gives me the willies

[04:47:30]

sphery:

Wicked: just hasn't been clarification on the time scale involved (weeks, months, years, or geologically-speaking "near" future)

[04:47:30]

iamlindoro:

How-to-do girls and GFrench Maid TV aren't about sex :)

[04:47:37]

iamlindoro:

and Good Eats

[04:47:49]

iamlindoro:

Hung is, True blood isn't exactly

[04:47:50]

adicarlo:

iamlindoro: altho based on their titles, they could be

[04:48:01]

iamlindoro:

adicarlo, They're meant to be suggestive

[04:48:02]

adicarlo:

true blood is more about sex with vampires

[04:48:02]

wagnerrp:

technically, no episodes of 'good eats' are visible

[04:48:06]

Wicked:

ah.

[04:48:11]

iamlindoro:

their viewership is also meant to be adult human beings

[04:48:23]

wagnerrp:

but its HBO, so there also have to be orgies

[04:49:05]

sphery:

OTA ftw!

[04:49:23]

iamlindoro:

why? What's wrong with orgies?

[04:49:26]

sphery:

if all you have is OTA, no one can make comments about the nature of your recordings...

[04:49:28]

wagnerrp:

OTA doesnt get orgies

[04:49:32]

** kormoc laughs **

[04:49:36]

iamlindoro:

I like my sexy programming

[04:49:41]

Wicked:

my buddy has been raving about ota....wish i had more money to check it out

[04:49:42]

adicarlo:

sphery doesn't like orgies, he hasn't a moustache

[04:49:43]

iamlindoro:

If I'm paying this much, there'd better be nipples

[04:49:45]

kormoc:

sphery, but we can make comments about the lack of programming... ;)

[04:49:55]

sphery:

true

[04:50:22]

sphery:

but, hey, I get 13 logical channels of PBS!

[04:50:42]

kormoc:

Red Dwarf! Faulty Towers!

[04:50:51]

kormoc:

and red green!

[04:50:52]

sphery:

Unfortunately, the new PBS show Time Team America doesn't have any marionettes

[04:51:22]

sphery:

(ref: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0372588/ )

[04:51:49]

Wicked:

hmm damn. on that page you gave me sphery it mentions you cannot run mysql on the host of the slave? is this still true?

[04:52:13]

kormoc:

that was never true, we never cared

[04:52:26]

wagnerrp:

you can run the mysql server anywhere you want

[04:52:36]

sphery:

Wicked: though it's easiest to /configure/ the slave if you shut down MySQL when you configure it with mythtv-setup

[04:52:55]

Wicked:

well i have the mysql server for mythtv on here and i run a mysql on my home server that was used for my websites.

[04:52:58]

sphery:

Wicked: and, more importantly, it's easiest to /explain/ how to configure the slave if you tell people that they can't run mysql on the slave

[04:53:04]

wagnerrp:

Wicked: also, you only run one single mysql server

[04:53:08]

Wicked:

ah

[04:53:15]

wagnerrp:

all of mythtv must use the same database

[04:53:20]

Wicked:

right

[04:53:39]

sphery:

yeah, just make sure that you configure the slave backend to hit the normal mysql server with the mythconverg db

[04:53:46]

Wicked:

ill just stop mysql when i install/configure the slave

[04:53:52]

sphery:

same one used by master backend

[04:54:12]

Wicked:

ah ok. thanks guys

[04:54:26]

sphery:

Wicked: you might be able to do it without shutting down your mysql server if you use the -p argument to force it to prompt for backend/DB info

[04:54:56]

Wicked:

ah. ill keep that in mind...though its ok if the database is down for a little bit.

[04:55:13]

sphery:

though it looks like mythtv-setup doesn't offer the -p argument

[04:55:26]

sphery:

(in -fixes, that is)

[04:55:42]

Wicked:

so this will be killer....unloading all the transcoding/commercial flagging to the server....i like

[04:56:08]

Wicked:

yea i been running svn of release-0-21-fixes

[04:56:28]

sphery:

Wicked: note that transcoding will only work on another host if you use NFS/CIFS (or some other network file system) and mount the directories exactly as they're mounted on the backend host

[04:56:38]

sphery:

commflagging works without filesystem access

[04:56:45]

wagnerrp:

that reminds me, ive got a bunch of recordings to shift over to mythvideo

[04:57:07]

adicarlo:

sphery: oh is that working now? last i checked you couldn't encode on one host and transcode on another

[04:57:10]

Wicked:

well right now i have a nas...on the server...so if i move it over there it will be on the local filesystem

[04:57:13]

adicarlo:

i have the NFS mount magic all going

[04:57:48]

sphery:

adicarlo: always worked with network mounts and identical paths

[04:58:03]

Wicked:

i ended up ditching both samba and nfs for just sshfs. less things running and does everything i need for my lan

[04:58:07]

adicarlo:

hum i don't know if it did but I might have not tried since 0.19 or something

[04:58:17]

adicarlo:

Wicked: erm

[04:58:45]

adicarlo:

Wicked: i dunno — what's it like driving video of sshfs ? i find sshfs rather slow

[04:58:57]

adicarlo:

not sure the overhead but seemed like at least 30%

[04:59:17]

Wicked:

um so far its been fine. i get like 11–12mb/s across the lan

[04:59:33]

sphery:

Wicked: do you have one of those ssh's that's been hacked (by distros) to allow non-encrypted connections? Otherwise, I'd guess that it's putting a huge load on your system encrypting video for storage on the file server

[04:59:53]

adicarlo:

pretty slow for 10bt

[04:59:55]

Wicked:

well it does use a little bit more cpu cycles when transferring large amounts of data...but nothing horrenous

[05:00:21]

wagnerrp:

sphery: we transfer files across the network at work with scp at 30–35MB/s

[05:00:26]

Wicked:

maby 10–20% of one core

[05:00:32]

wagnerrp:

were maxing the disk/network before the CPU

[05:00:51]

adicarlo:

Wicked: well if it works god bless you

[05:01:05]

adicarlo:

but be aware that mythcommflagger is going to wanna suck the data much faster then even when you're watching video

[05:01:16]

adicarlo:

mine gets around 90fps

[05:01:19]

Wicked:

adicarlo, yea. in my setup its been fine. though im sure if i where to throw in extra users and stuff..it would not.

[05:01:23]

sphery:

yeah, that's true... I use scp for most copies across network. Just seems weird to have a filesystem based on it.

[05:01:44]

adicarlo:

hey nfs + autofs worked for my dad, so its good enuf for me

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Wicked:

i used nfs previously

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[05:04:39]

adicarlo:

oh, quick question for the room

[05:04:57]

adicarlo:

is there any evidence that leaving a settop box "on" all the time is a bad thing?

[05:05:01]

kormoc:

turn off the away timer

[05:05:17]

adicarlo:

kormoc: sorry about that

[05:05:47]

Wicked:

i wondered the same thing adicarlo. but i leave my sci atl on all the time

[05:05:51]

Wicked:

no issues so far

[05:05:57]

adicarlo:

Wicked: hmm i got a sci atl also

[05:06:17]

adicarlo:

new HD digital model and every week or so it gets these blackouts with white text reading "please wait..."

[05:06:20]

sphery:

likely takes the same power whether on or off

[05:06:39]

Wicked:

ah. i dont have the hd box anymore

[05:06:55]

adicarlo:

sphery: incredible if true — but I would believe it

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sphery:

adicarlo: get a kill-a-watt to prove it to yourself... I tested my dish network STB: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/234916#234916

[05:08:02]

Wicked:

a few times though...lost power and when it comes back on it auto goes to a video on demand screen and after a while the session times out....and i guess once its in the vod you cant change channels...so ive had a few times of my recordings being nothing but a screen that says "your video on demand session has timed out"

[05:08:50]

adicarlo:

Wicked: oh wow, never seen that but I stay away from VOD

[05:09:08]

Wicked:

i do too normally..but i guess its the way it starts up.

[05:09:15]

Wicked:

annoying as heck

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adicarlo:

i suppose even if I wanted to send the "poweroff" to my settop box after recording, tho, there's no easy way to do it?

[05:09:56]

adicarlo:

Wicked: ah that's probably your provider setting that — mine defaults to channel 1 IIRC

[05:10:22]

Wicked:

oh i also got a random question....what kinda bitrate do you guys use? it says 2200 is about 1 gig per hour...i had it way up to like 9 or 10k...but it was using alot of space..so now ive got it way down to like 2600.

[05:10:34]

Wicked:

adicarlo, yea. prob is. i got comcast

[05:11:16]

adicarlo:

Wicked: for what card? what resolution?

[05:11:28]

wagnerrp:

i use 6500 for mine (i think)

[05:11:31]

Wicked:

oh a pvr-150

[05:11:36]

wagnerrp:

something like 3GB/hr

[05:11:39]

Wicked:

and the max resolution it allows

[05:11:41]

sphery:

Wicked: for MPEG-2 SDTV at 720x480, 4500kbps average/6000kbps max is pretty good

[05:12:11]

Wicked:

ah. i kinda went from real high to real low..and i do notice it looks "blockier" now

[05:12:12]

sphery:

there's a point where you'll have more bits than you need and increasing it won't help

[05:12:29]

Wicked:

ill try out something around the 4500 mark and see how it turns out

[05:12:34]

sphery:

also you should always have about a 1/3 * average headroom on the max

[05:12:37]

Wicked:

right sphery

[05:12:40]

adicarlo:

Wicked: cf also http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Recording_Parameters

[05:12:45]

Wicked:

and i wasnt sure where the "sweet spot" was

[05:12:47]

sphery:

so 4500/3 = 1500, making it 6000 for max

[05:13:21]

Wicked:

ah nice.

[05:13:48]

sphery:

Wicked: http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/tutorial/bitrate.html

[05:14:20]

sphery:

though I think they're a bit wrong on the quality estimates

[05:14:21]

Wicked:

ah ill bookmark that one ;)

[05:14:48]

sphery:

a /lot/ of it will depend on the source input quality

[05:15:04]

Wicked:

im using svideo

[05:15:17]

sphery:

if you use PVR-150 to encode the S-Video output of a digital STB, you'll get good quality at lower bitrates

[05:15:39]

sphery:

if you use a PVR-150 to encode the RF-modulated output of a VCR, you'll need a much higher bitrate to get reasonable quality

[05:15:49]

sphery:

(where you can't get good quality from a VCR)

[05:15:54]

Wicked:

hehe

[05:16:01]

Wicked:

i only use the pvr for tv

[05:16:07]

sphery:

likewise, many cable companies have poor quality analog signals

[05:16:30]

sphery:

fortunately, they're going all digital, so you may get an upgrade if you're using the analog channels and the PVR-150 tuner :)

[05:16:54]

Wicked:

ah nice

[05:17:26]

sphery:

a friend of mine had a system identical to mine, but he used analog cable/tuner and I used a dish network STB/S-Video and when recording with the same bitrate I used, I found his recordings to be unwatchably low quality

[05:17:53]

Wicked:

ah interesting.

[05:18:21]

Wicked:

i too was using a analog cable before....and defiantly notice a jump in quality when i switched to svideo

[05:18:22]

sphery:

but if you have a good/clean signal from your cable co, you may not see the same quality issues

[05:18:39]

Wicked:

i dont. i have old crappy wiring in my house

[05:18:53]

Wicked:

they had to put in a "dropamp" right infront my cablebox

[05:19:01]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, I have pillar and letterboxed video, are you *done* yet? ;)

[05:19:18]

Wicked:

which lead to a annoying his at high volumes...which i still live with today

[05:19:28]

Wicked:

*hiss

[05:19:49]

sphery:

ughhh

[05:19:59]

sphery:

well, at least you don't have to pay for it...

[05:20:00]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, I'm compiling my changes now, making sure I didn't break anything :P

[05:20:01]

sphery:

oh, wait

[05:20:08]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, hehe

[05:20:32]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, curious how it handles things in edit mode

[05:20:49]

Wicked:

im told it could be a bad ground loop or something but i have not really investigated it more. i dont even notice the noise anymore hehe

[05:20:51]

iamlindoro:

ie, does the fill mode change even then?

[05:21:11]

kormoc:

I would guess it does, I don't ever use edit mode to be honest

[05:21:41]

iamlindoro:

heh, I use the aspect changes to quickly find commercials, I'll have to adjust :)

[05:21:58]

sphery:

I use z to quickly find commercials

[05:22:32]

iamlindoro:

sphery, I find it faster to edit them myself than to fix the wrong detection

[05:23:02]

sphery:

using a keyboard?

[05:23:06]

iamlindoro:

yes

[05:23:11]

sphery:

with a remote it's much easier to fix

[05:23:35]

sphery:

with a keyboard, I coudl see creating from scratch being easier

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iamlindoro:

$5 says I can edit in the commercials accurately and resulting in a nice clean cut w/ a keyboard faster than anyone can w/ autodetect and a remote :)

[05:24:08]

iamlindoro:

I've lots of practice :)

[05:24:15]

sphery:

clean cut meaning you use keyframes only?

[05:24:29]

sphery:

I have very little practice...

[05:24:34]

iamlindoro:

clean meaning I leave all the available black frames so that it's not an ugly abrupt cut

[05:24:36]

sphery:

as I watch & delete everything

[05:24:43]

sphery:

ah...

[05:25:03]

iamlindoro:

How can there be so little worthwhile programming on The Travel Channel?

[05:25:08]

iamlindoro:

they have like five shows, and they all suck

[05:25:15]

sphery:

I do a combination... choose a keyframe within the black frames or a black frame if no keyframes within

[05:25:16]

iamlindoro:

I expect better from Discovery

[05:25:46]

iamlindoro:

sphery, w/ black frames it really doesn't matter if it's a keyframe, as the encode around it will be imperceptible (as it's all black)

[05:26:17]

iamlindoro:

So BBC America HD is run by Discovery, I learned that last week

[05:26:18]

sphery:

iamlindoro: You do realize it's 2009 and not 2002, right? This isn't your grandfather's Discovery Networks.

[05:26:32]

iamlindoro:

which gives me hope that I'll see it soon, since I have most of the Discovery channels

[05:27:12]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Of *all* channels I would expect to be good, it's Travel HD... but Discovery Theatre actually has better travel programming

[05:27:25]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, I've been choosing keyframes mainly for the "less opportunity to muck up" benefit, not really for quality

[05:27:35]

sphery:

though, as I said, I have almost no practice

[05:27:44]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: my sister watches No Reservations

[05:28:33]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I can't stand Anthony Bourdain

[05:28:56]

iamlindoro:

but it's a good example-- almost everything on the travel channel actually belongs on The Food Network

[05:29:03]

iamlindoro:

(Which is admittedly run by Scripps)

[05:29:05]

Wicked:

oh also i was wondering...the remote/blaster the pvr-150 is kinda slow changing the channels...would getting a new remote/blaster make it faster? like when i had my hd box hooked up via firewire it would change channels really fast(when it worked)

[05:29:08]

wagnerrp:

my 'speed problem' with setting up cutlists is that usually im doing multiple at a time

[05:29:23]

wagnerrp:

and invariably, the stuff i want to keep always ends up on one drive (out of three)

[05:29:42]

wagnerrp:

so i set one to transcode, it eats up all the IO, and now cutting the rest becomes painful

[05:29:57]

iamlindoro:

yeah, it can get pretty bad, I'm often in the same boat

[05:30:12]

iamlindoro:

when someone finally does lossless on HD-PVR recordings, I will be very, very backlogged

[05:30:55]

sphery:

Wicked: the slowness is due to the fact that you're changing the channel a couple seconds after the video you're seeing on your TV

[05:31:45]

sphery:

Wicked: and the fact that your STB only allows you to send remote keypresses so fast or it gets confused (i.e. channel change script likely has sleeps in it to mimic human typing of channel numbers)

[05:31:49]

Wicked:

well i know there the buffer...but it seems to just take forever for it to input all the channel numbers onto the cable box

[05:32:04]

sphery:

yeah, that's the sleeps in the channel change script

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Wicked:

ah

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sphery:

I was using sleep 0.4 between each irsend, so for a 4-digit channel number, it was 2.0s of just waiting between button presses (because of the Select at the end) and before the channel change actually starts on the STB

[05:33:54]

sphery:

and remember that the channel change script doesn't start executing until you hit have typed the entire channel number (and possibly hit SELECT) in Myth

[05:33:57]

Wicked:

ah. i see. i dont think i have over 1000 channels

[05:34:11]

sphery:

still, the sleeps add up

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sphery:

some scripts actually use as much as sleep 1 (sleeping a full second) between key presses

[05:34:36]

iamlindoro:

Analog/external tuning sucks

[05:34:54]

iamlindoro:

not that everything is super fast with digital, but at least you know it will tune to the correct channel

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sphery:

feel free to play with your channel change script to get the sleeps as low as possible without losing reliability

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Wicked:

i will have to see if i can figure it out. id love to speed it up a little bit

[05:35:37]

sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, glad that I don't have to use an IR transmitter to change channels anymore--even though mine was extremely reliable, it was a pain

[05:35:52]

Gumby:

when using an IR Blaster does it retransmit the exact signal it received? Or does it get remapped somehow?

[05:36:49]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, perhaps you'll know, with JAMU, if I give recordings imdb/ttvdb numbers, how do I get it to fetch all the info?

[05:37:31]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, should be removing the "I" from your options

[05:37:34]

jpabq0:

Wicked: feel free to test http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6719

[05:37:41]

iamlindoro:

ie do the same thing, but remove the interactive option

[05:38:08]

kormoc:

ahh

[05:38:09]

iamlindoro:

kormoc, so if you did MIV, now do MV

[05:38:18]

sphery:

Gumby: The IR receiver receives a signal and LIRC sends a string to tell the computer (Myth). Myth then runs a script that uses LIRC to send a signal with a different LIRC remote definition.

[05:38:21]

kormoc:

I didn't realize that I did less

[05:38:39]

sphery:

meaning that the received signal is always interpreted, so can't be "echoed"

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Gumby:

sphery: ok, I thought it worked like that but then someone was telling me otherwise. arghhh.

[05:39:12]

Wicked:

ah hmm ill check that out jpabq0

[05:39:53]

Gumby:

sphery: is there a process you know of to get an unsupported STB working with an IR blaster then? Or am I pretty much SOL.

[05:39:55]

sphery:

Gumby: though irrecord can be used to create the remote definition that's used to send the signal.

[05:40:06]

Wicked:

hmm when the info on the remote says "Transmits both IR and RF signals" does that mean its a blaster too? or just different remote...umm protocols?

[05:40:38]

Gumby:

sphery: ah, ok. Hopefully I get get this figured out. Otherwise, this HD-PVR is kind of useless to me

[05:40:48]

sphery:

Wicked: this is an actual remote control (the thing you hold in your hand to control things)?

[05:40:52]

sphery:

Wicked: Dish network?

[05:41:16]

Wicked:

well its from the newegg website for a remote control...for a tv or something

[05:41:51]

sphery:

Gumby: actually, the STB is useless to you. You could get a Bell ExpressVu and use http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DISHNetworkLIRCConfiguration

[05:42:12]

sphery:

Wicked: no idea, then

[05:42:22]

sphery:

guessing it's a Harmony remote?

[05:42:35]

sphery:

(OK, guess I had one idea.)

[05:43:08]

Gumby:

Why is the STB useless?

[05:43:09]

Wicked:

hehe

[05:43:29]

Wicked:

oh damn...now i cant find the remote lol

[05:43:59]

sphery:

Gumby: just saying if you can't figure out how to control your non-standard STB, you can just get a standard STB

[05:44:09]

Wicked:

says its a universal remote

[05:44:10]

Wicked:

Universal Remote Controls RFS200 Universal Infrared / RF MasterControl PowerPak

[05:44:10]

sphery:

Wicked: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880100712 ?

[05:44:13]

Gumby:

sphery: ah. I see.

[05:44:32]

Wicked:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16880120001

[05:44:52]

adicarlo:

<iamlindoro> Analog/external tuning sucks

[05:45:06]

adicarlo:

its true — its a shame they never standardized on some kinda control line

[05:45:31]

adicarlo:

anything from usb keyboard in to gpio, who cares

[05:45:47]

adicarlo:

firewire is supposed to handle that but i've never gotten it functional on any of my settops

[05:46:09]

sphery:

Wicked: I'm guessing that's a remote that sends both an IR and an RF signal. The IR can go direct to devices, but the RF--which can be used through walls/from other rooms--goes to the RF receiver, which then sends an IR signal to the devices near it.

[05:46:25]

Wicked:

OHHHHHHH

[05:46:33]

sphery:

Wicked: the problem is that it's meant for people to control devices, not for computers to control devices

[05:46:51]

Wicked:

gotcha

[05:48:01]

sphery:

the only RF remote I've ever seen that works with LIRC (i.e. is a "stupid" remote that relies on a "smart" receiver) is the X10 series of remotes (ATI Remote Wonder, X10 Lola, NVIDIA something-or-other)

[05:48:23]

Wicked:

ah

[05:48:42]

sphery:

Most people who make RF remotes make "smart" remotes that talk to devices, not computers

[05:48:45]

Gumby:

Ive got an ATI Remote Wonder. The drivers are always messed up for it. They key mapping is wrong so I always had to recompile the driver with some edits

[05:49:10]

sphery:

Gumby: yeah, you shouldn't be using the kernel's keyboard driver for it, but should use LIRC, instead

[05:49:25]

sphery:

I use the ATI RW with LIRC and it works great

[05:49:40]

sphery:

(except on days like today, when I need to recharge the batteries)

[05:50:08]

sphery:

not that I would recommend it for anyone else, as it's not as reliable as an IR remote

[05:50:32]

sphery:

(people and couches and monitors on the coffee table and ... tend to absorb/block the RF signal)

[05:51:24]

Gumby:

my mceusb remote works quite well.

[05:51:44]

Wicked:

ah.

[05:52:22]

sphery:

yeah, mceusb is probably the most-used remote with Myth

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crankharder:

despite having internal volume controls checked, f10/f11 have no effect on my volume — I see the slider change visually, but no audio change.... any ideas?

[05:56:07]

kormoc:

what's your output method?

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crankharder:

mmm, audio output device or mixer device?

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kormoc:

device

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kormoc:

output

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crankharder:

/dev/dsp

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crankharder:

tried, alsa:default w/o luck

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kormoc:

and you have it set to use pcm or master? and if you run alsamixer and change whichever one you select, it changes output volume?

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wagnerrp:

woo! three hours later and maildrop is working

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wagnerrp:

... now to actually set up filtering rules...

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crankharder:

it changes neither, it's set to PCM now

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kormoc:

so if alsa mixer can't change it, we can't as well

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crankharder:

oh, sorry misread — yea alsamixer has no problem

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sphery:

crankharder: alsa:default would never work... ALSA:default should

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crankharder:

same with gnome's sound control

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sphery:

crankharder: though ALSA:default will /only/ work if you use ALSA:default for the mixer device

[06:00:05]

sphery:

crankharder: and /dev/dsp should /only/ work if you use /dev/mixer as the mixer device

[06:00:18]

sphery:

crankharder: and none of the above will work if you type them in rather than selecting them with left/right

[06:00:50]

crankharder:

sphery: setting both to ALSA:default produces no sound, setting device to /dev/dsp and mixer to /dev/mixer gives me audio, but I can't change the volume within myth

[06:01:16]

sphery:

crankharder: using the analog outputs (mini-jack connections) on your sound card?

[06:01:41]

sphery:

though the fact that ALSA:default doesn't work says that your ALSA config is broken

[06:02:56]

sphery:

crankharder: if you actually selected the device names in the drop down with left/right and didn't type them in and if you actually have the right combinations of devices, my best guess is that your system is using PulseAudio, so it doesn't work

[06:03:05]

sphery:

Myth + PulseAudio = fail

[06:05:00]

crankharder:

now i'm back to /dev/dsp and /dev/mixer (and yes I selected them, didn't type them in) and I've got no control with F10/F11 :(

[06:05:40]

sphery:

do you see the popup with volume when you hit them?

[06:05:53]

sphery:

if not, check your keybindings as F10/F11 may not be bound to volume up/down

[06:06:07]

crankharder:

meh, F-lock would help — seems to be working with alsa:default on both now

[06:06:27]

sphery:

crankharder: or just use [ ] instead of F10/F11

[06:07:06]

crankharder:

thanks for the help :)

[06:07:07]

sphery:

or { }

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kormoc:

sphery, there's another new show for you, Defying Gravity

[06:23:37]

kormoc:

sphery, another 'Astronaughts go crazy once they go into space' show

[06:23:37]

sphery:

kormoc: yeah, I'm recording it.

[06:23:42]

wagnerrp:

is that the one with the office space guy?

[06:23:43]

kormoc:

heh

[06:23:43]

sphery:

it sounds interesting

[06:24:28]

sphery:

has Ron Livingston

[06:25:17]

sphery:

kormoc: I'm just afraid that the soap opera part of it will be too much

[06:25:41]

wagnerrp:

oof... meant to start recording that

[06:25:49]

wagnerrp:

seems i missed the first two episodes

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kormoc:

sphery, it won't be the soap opera part that annoys out, more the wacky science

[06:26:53]

sphery:

there's always hulu (or abc.com or wherever ABC puts their stuff)

[06:27:30]

sphery:

that's quite possible... I loved this season of Lost, but some of the technical details left me a little upset.

[06:28:53]

kormoc:

Heh, when a astronaught decides to take a walk and sit on a satellite, and they fly over to talk to him...

[06:29:13]

sphery:

wow...

[06:29:52]

sphery:

so did anyone watch The Storm miniseries?

[06:30:06]

wagnerrp:

erm... they talk to the satellite?

[06:30:27]

kormoc:

nah, the guy who decided to sit on the satellite

[06:31:01]

** kormoc starts the storm right now **

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sphery:

kormoc: you'll have to let me know if it's worth watching the 2nd half via Hulu (missed the due to a card errors)--where Hulu video won't play back fullscreen unless I watch it on my windows system

[06:32:40]

kormoc:

will do

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sphery:

(On my 67" TV, the hulu screen is about 14")

[06:32:57]

** kormoc ponders if he should write a hulu watched video importer for myth **

[06:33:15]

sphery:

to make never records for it?

[06:33:19]

kormoc:

yeah

[06:33:57]

sphery:

the hard part would be getting the proper title/subtitle/description and/or programid ex post facto--unless you do it within 7 days of airing

[06:34:15]

kormoc:

Well, title/subtitle should match Hulu's, I'd say

[06:34:18]

kormoc:

the rest, yeah...

[06:34:45]

kormoc:

although I keep thinking that programid lookups would be a rocking SD service

[06:34:45]

sphery:

and since subtitle & description is default dup matching policy...

[06:34:59]

sphery:

I agree--that would be awesome

[06:36:27]

sphery:

the annoying part about The Storm is that because it's an NBC show, they only leave it available on Hulu for 14 days from the original airdate

[06:36:47]

sphery:

stupid old media fogies making decisions about the 'net

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** ddettman jealously wonders when Norway will get Hulu. **

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jduggan:

when norway joins the EU

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jduggan:

:D

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flexy:

I found one little thing in the logs, that I think needs fixing in the sources. I found it, made the fix. How do I get it to svn?

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AndyCap:

jduggan: haha, if only it was that easy.

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sid3windr:

flexy: submit it to mythtv trac

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flexy:

sid3windr: how? is there a howto? I did not stumble on one, if there is...

[09:16:25]

flexy:

hmmmm... trac? not svn?

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flexy:

with webserver?

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sid3windr:

trac is the bugtracker, yes

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flexy:

browser, I meant

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sid3windr:

if it's good/useful someone of the devs will pick it up and commit it I guess

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sid3windr:

svn is not free access ;)

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flexy:

just for downloading, it is...

[09:18:06]

flexy:

:)

[09:18:15]

flexy:

ok, I'll take a look.

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juski:

you can create tickets & attach useful things (like patches) to tickets

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juski:

it'll help if you sign up there with an email address you use. makes life easier sometimes

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tfm:

se noai

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tfm:

ase ai

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gbee:

anyone want to write a libav* encoder for mythmusic? I don't really have the time unfortunately, but I'd love to see it done

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AndyCap:

encoder?

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AndyCap:

oh, you want to rip cds?

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gbee:

we already have encoders using lame, libogg/libvorbis and libflac directly, all those can be replaced with one single encoder class based on libav

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gbee:

all decoding, except for CDs, is now done with libav, if we can replace the encoders too then mythmusic will have 6 or more fewer dependencies than it did in 0.21, plus it will support more formats/codecs

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janneg:

gbee: I can after DVB-S2 support is committed

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gbee:

janneg: that would be fantastic, thanks

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[Peter]:

janneg: how is the DVB-S2 stuff coming along? I'm stuck with some trunk version from may because I don't want to give up the S2 support :)

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gbee:

[Peter]: updated patches in trac

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[Peter]:

oh

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[Peter]:

sweet

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gbee:

whereabouts are you btw? curious to know what countries/regions have DVB-S2 broadcasting

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juski:

bah so much for catching up on film watching. some really old .nuv files won't seek. time to rebuild indexes

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[Peter]:

gbee: Sweden

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juski:

hrm. can't build a seektable for stuff in mythvideo eh

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gbee:

juski: have to use --video instead of --file

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gbee:

mythcommflag --rebuild --video {path}

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gbee:

if you are using -fixes then it should be the absolute file path

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gbee:

unless I backported the fix

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gbee:

can't remember

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janneg:

[Peter]: latest patch might still have a bug with tuning to ordinary DVB-S transponders after DVB-S2 transponder

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janneg:

my sole tester is not sure if it's a card driver/bug (Skystar HD) or mythtv bug

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[Peter]:

janneg: I'll see if I have the time to test tonight

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janneg:

that would be great

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tmkt:

morning

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Shadow__X:

mourning

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jduggan:

yawning

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gbee:

moaning

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jduggan:

groaning

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laga_:

moar tea

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jduggan:

fail

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gbee:

laga_: yes please!

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laga_:

gbee: earl grey?

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janneg:

I would settle for foamable milk and coffee

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laga_:

janneg: come over, i can do that. :)

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jduggan:

not earl grey, regular tetley tea bags

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jduggan:

:)

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** gbee goes to put on the kettle **

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jduggan:

i just did one

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jduggan:

:D

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janneg:

I can do that myself but the milk I have disintegrates quickly if foamed

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laga_:

janneg: i believe mine has become quite chunky

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jduggan:

er

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jduggan:

eew?

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laga_:

heh

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jduggan:

:P

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janneg:

like there's tenside in it, very strange

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laga_:

janneg: long shelf time milk?

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jduggan:

UHT milk

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jduggan:

yuck :(

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janneg:

yes, hard to buy not extended shelf life milk these days

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janneg:

jduggan: no, afaik the one I have is micro filtrated

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AndyCap:

Heh. here you only get it for chocholate milk etc.

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AndyCap:

but is there really much difference between normal pasteurization and ultrapasteurization?

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jduggan:

yes

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jduggan:

its awful

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janneg:

jduggan: ESL != UHT but it still tastes worse than pasteurized milk

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janneg:

but I don't care for if I use it milk foam

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AndyCap:

the soap doesn't come from UHT. :P

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bunder:

hello, any idea why mythweb complains about me disabling the adobe IE plugins?

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gbee:

it doesn't?

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Shadow__X:

adobe ie plugins?

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bunder:

umm pdf autoloader and something else

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bunder:

IE8

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laga_:

heh

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juski:

IE, pronounced AAAAIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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Shadow__X:

umm you use ie8

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bunder:

feel free to look in mythweb/js/browser.js

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juski:

The requested URL /mythweb/js/browser.js was not found on this server.

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bunder:

maybe the removed it, i'm still using an older mythtv

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laga_:

what version?

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bunder:

0.20.2-p15634

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laga_:

okay, so your version of mythtv is about three years old

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juski:

ouch

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laga_:

absolutely nothing we can do there

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laga_:

especially since you're using proprietary software

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bunder:

i know, i'm just wondering why heh

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bunder:

i didn't think mythweb served up any pdf files

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bunder:

time to go commenting

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juski:

it never has AFAIK

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juski:

prolly IE getting its pants back to front

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bunder:

if the js file asks for it, i can see why IE complains

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bunder:

kinda annoying though, disable it and IE complains, leave it enabled and acrord32 loads on the next page load taking up 35mb of ram

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bunder:

c'est la vie.

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gbee:

that was just xris re-using code he wrote for work

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gbee:

you could just update to a newer release ...

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j-rod:

so... anyone here run a vfd displaying myth info on a remote frontend?

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j-rod:

for some reason, I thought it would be as simple as ticking the 'use lcd' box in the frontend appearance settings

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j-rod:

(that's all I did when the vfd was in a test box, but the test box was a combined backend/frontend)

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** j-rod should probably heed his own advice and search the list archive and the 'tubes in general first... **

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hendrix04:

so how well does myth tv do for a STB replacement for non computer people?

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j-rod:

quite well, once set up

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j-rod:

but it takes a fair amount of effort

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hendrix04:

do small atom machines work well pushing HD through it as a front end?

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j-rod:

no

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hendrix04:

Setup im not worried about, I can handle that

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j-rod:

atom + intel gma950 is underpowered

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iamlindoro:

If you are setting up a myth system *for* someone, you had better live with them if they're not computer folk

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j-rod:

atom + nvidia ion works though

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j-rod:

and what he said

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hendrix04:

yeah, setting it up in my house

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AndyCap:

well, works, and works,

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AndyCap:

no stable releas of mythtv for it yet.

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mkrufky:

i heard quite the opposite about atom + gma950

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mkrufky:

i hear it is awesome

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mkrufky:

as per mike isely

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AndyCap:

hendrix04: so you'll have to enjoy being yelled at a lot.

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mkrufky:

he has 1080i playback running on it just fine

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j-rod:

AndyCap: my atom 330 + ion works just fine for mpeg2 hdtv w/o vdpau

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mkrufky:

but you need to make sure the system is as light as possible, and you need the right display drivers installed

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AndyCap:

j-rod: ah, you have mpeg two

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j-rod:

mkrufky: hrm. I've tried it on an atom 330 myself, and it was ... borderline

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hendrix04:

the plan is to have my sat STBs and everything in a server closet pushing to small "STB" on the TVs

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j-rod:

atom 330 + gma950, that is

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iamlindoro:

sphery, discussion in #linuxtv indicates that the newest HVR-1250 should supported in the current repository, BTW

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mkrufky:

its supported

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mkrufky:

ALL hvr-1250's are supported

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mkrufky:

that includes 1255 1270 1275 AND 1250

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** cesman wonders if that is the same mike isley he knows... **

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, I understand, there was just some discussion to that effect last night and wanted to make sure people didn't have wrong info

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mkrufky:

(they're all 1250'd, for all intents ^ purposes)

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mkrufky:

yes, cesman

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hendrix04:

looking at the happauge HD box for the 1 HD tv from the sat box

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cesman:

oh well, full day of work work ahead of me...

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: they should use hg, not the kernel

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j-rod:

of course, I used a core duo 1.66 mac mini with gma950 as my main hdtv frontend for a long time w/o a problem

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cesman:

hi mkrufky

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, ergo my mentioning the repos ;)

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j-rod:

so part of the playback issues on my gclf2 might have just been that I was running bleeding intel video drivers on it

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mkrufky:

im complimenting the advice, not overriding it

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j-rod:

hendrix04: if you're using the hauppauge HD PVR, then no way in hell is an atom + intel graphics going to suffice

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky, ;)

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hendrix04:

brb

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j-rod:

I should say, no way in hell atom + intel graphics is going to suffice until we get the driver for the bcm970012 working :)

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mkrufky:

what does bcm have to do with intel graphics?

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j-rod:

:)

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j-rod:

the bcm970012 is a hardware video decoder

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j-rod:

dma in bitstream, dma out raw decoded video

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j-rod:

http://www.broadcom.com/products/Consumer-Ele . . . features-tab

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iamlindoro:

j-rod, Is that to say that there's actually progress in making that happen?

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j-rod:

there might be... :)

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iamlindoro:

heh

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** cesman was contacted yesterday by someone working on Linux drivers.... ;) **

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j-rod:

the pcie x1 part is working quite nicely under linux. the mini-pcie part is currently stalling.

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AndyCap:

the return of the DXR. :P

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** j-rod sucks at keeping secrets sometimes :) **

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mkrufky:

i think that guy contacted everybody thats speaking about it

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mkrufky:

i am just playing ddumb :-)

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mkrufky:

i was just wondering what it has to do with the INTEL part

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j-rod:

its the intel chipset answer to ion

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j-rod:

more or less

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mkrufky:

but its bcm,, not intel

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j-rod:

yep

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mkrufky:

are you telling me theres some bcm in the gma950 package?

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j-rod:

no, but check out the new hp mini 110

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j-rod:

assorted netbook vendors using pure intel chipsets are adding it so they can play back video reasonably w/o going to an ion

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mkrufky:

verizon wireless is selling that

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mkrufky:

hmm interesting

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j-rod:

the Dell BD Accelerator mini-pcie option in some laptops and the dell studio hybrid is the same card

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j-rod:

earlier hardware rev and firmware, but reportedly works with the driver for the hp mini 110

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adicarlo:

hey guys, I had reported earlier that I was finding a new rev of the Hauppauge HVR-1250 (r4?) which doesn't work in 2.6.30, but I can report its working from linux-v4b tip

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** mkrufky 's work here is done. **

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adicarlo:

mkrufky: cheers

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mkrufky:

adicarlo: just curious ... what do you see when you do "dmesg | grep -i hvr12"

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adicarlo:

too early for beer but

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j-rod:

mkrufky: heh. I *almost* bought that newer kworld stick when I ordered the ion mobo last week, but just couldn't bring myself to do it...

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mkrufky:

thats okay i celebrated myself when i got every flavor of that card merged, adicarlo

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mkrufky:

j-rod: let them bitrot ... we cant help it if the stick dies before you have a chance to make your first recording :-P

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mkrufky:

j-rod: if they give you freebies, thats another story :-)

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adicarlo:

mkrufky: [ 10.393551] CORE cx23885[0]: subsystem: 0070:2211, board: Hauppauge WinTV-HVR1270 [card=18,autodetected]

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mkrufky:

adicarlo: ah, thats my baby!

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j-rod:

mkrufky: actually... I think sandeen got free hardware out of them a while back, I might try that route

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mkrufky:

j-rod: i wrote to them and they refused

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mkrufky:

then i got hired by a much cooler company :-D

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j-rod:

oh, really? huh. well then SCREW THOSE JERKS AND THEIR CRAP HARDWARE

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j-rod:

:)

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mkrufky:

lol

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mkrufky:

would be nice if cheap hardware was supported

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mkrufky:

but... better to not support it at all if its gonna die so quickly — we wouldnt want people to blame linux drivers, would we? O:-)

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gizmobay:

I'm having problems with saved positions in mythvideo. If I save a position then go back to the video, the frontend hangs and I have to kill it. Anyone else seeing this?

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j-rod:

mkrufky: heh, valid point... :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: thanks...

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j-rod:

I musta missed something last night, seems my vfd should Just Work once the appropriate boxes are ticked in the frontend setup

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j-rod:

ugh.

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gbee:

lcdproc installed/running?

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j-rod:

yup

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j-rod:

displays the server status screen just fine

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adicarlo:

j-rod: vfd ?

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j-rod:

lcd, technically, but I'm saying 'vfd' here to avoid confusion. :)

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adicarlo:

oh i was thinking of getting one of those for giggles

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adicarlo:

altho it may be tempting to the gods

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j-rod:

everything worked perfectly when it was in a test box set up as a combined backend/frontend

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j-rod:

notsomuch (yet) in my new frontend box

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j-rod:

sidebar: the morex venus 668b is a rather nice case, but a bit bulkier than I'd anticipated

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j-rod:

its made for a mini-itx board, but is almost the size of a uatx case

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hendrix04:

do front ends need a lot of HD space or just enough to install linux + myth?

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sphery:

Wow... So, #6777 was technically invalid, but not marked invalid because xris asked to have it reported because he wanted it as a reminder to make a prettier fatal error page (which he's already made/committed). Now, #6800 is reported and is almost identical to #6777 (and, like #6777 is really due to user error/misconfiguration).

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sphery:

hendrix04: technically, they don't need any

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hendrix04:

wouldnt think so

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hendrix04:

just making sure ;)

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sphery:

hendrix04: though all frontend plugin data (MythVideo videos, MythMusic music, MythGallery images) needs to be accessible to a frontend, so could be placed on the frontend HDD. However, since the data has to exist on /all/ frontends, most people just put it elsewhere and network mount it.

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iamlindoro:

Heh #6804

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** j-rod has maybe ~5G used on the 30G SSD in his frontend box **

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sphery:

iamlindoro: oh, man, I got stuck at #6800, so you're ahead of me

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gbee:

what about #6804?

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gbee:

aside from the fact that the guy actually followed the reporting guidelines, which is strange in itself

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gbee:

he cropped a useful line from the backtrace, but there is still enough to make an educated guess

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I didn't see the file, I had it loaded from the 2 minute gap before he uploaded the BT

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iamlindoro:

gbee: So as far as I knew he was just planning on having the bug be mythbackend --version :)

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sphery:

How could #6802 actually be a problem considering I've made a /lot/ of new DB's and never gotten a failure due to the TEXT can't have a default...

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sphery:

iamlindoro: think #6803 is a "third try's a charm" thing?

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iamlindoro:

Maybe so

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iamlindoro:

There seem to be a *lot* of repeats of that non-bug lately

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iamlindoro:

what's with everyone trying to use mythweb but not actually setting up MythTV?

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sphery:

no joke... that's the repeat of #6777 on #6800

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sphery:

I hate it when people cut the part that says where the crash occurred out of the gdb log

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mkrufky:

this mythbackend i have set up here keeps dieing ...not sure what the cause is.... mysql is up and running fine, just mythbackend seems to fail

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mkrufky:

mythbackend.log: http://pastebin.com/f20d254a5

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mkrufky:

every morning its dead, i revive it and its dead again before i come back the next day

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Looks like an EIT related crash

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mkrufky:

meh, i should have known

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iamlindoro:

Are you using EIT?

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mkrufky:

yes

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mkrufky:

EIT is my only option, here

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iamlindoro:

Worth a shot turning it off for a night

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mkrufky:

yeah, then recordings just wont happen :-(

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j-rod:

mkrufky: wtf are you hooked up to where EIT is your only option?

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: how can you tell it was EIT ?

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mkrufky:

j-rod: in an office

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j-rod:

heh, okay, I figured it might be something like that...

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: The fact that it started showing damaged decode of streams without a preceding commflag or recording job

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mkrufky:

ah, ok cool

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: and the "failed to measure signal strength" thing

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mkrufky:

for the record... i fixed the "mythtv fails to measure signal strength" bug

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mkrufky:

(for newly supported ATSC devices)

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iamlindoro:

cool

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mkrufky:

http://www.kernellabs.com/blog/?p=616

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mkrufky:

if people can test and comment, it would help my case of getting it merged

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Is this the same bug that has the digital side of the HVR-1800 always show as 0%?

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mkrufky:

i'll send out an email later on, or maybe in a few days

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mkrufky:

yes

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mkrufky:

its actually not a bug

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mkrufky:

i should have used that word

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iamlindoro:

It's a feature? :)

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mkrufky:

^shouldnT

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mkrufky:

yes, feature

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Shadow__X:

i like features

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mkrufky:

the issue is that mythtv assumes that the drivers use a totally nonsensical unit of measure

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mkrufky:

but i cant blame mythtv developers for that

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mkrufky:

i blame us linuxtv folks, who cant make up our minds

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Shadow__X:

like hvr-2250 not having analog because who really wants analog anymore

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sphery:

wagnerrp / gbee : The 5050e is again discontinued at newegg... That was short lived.

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mkrufky:

Shadow__X: calm down

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mkrufky:

Shadow__X: we fixed your board — go test it

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Shadow__X:

mkrufky: i was kidding around

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Shadow__X:

:)

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Shadow__X:

all in good fun

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mkrufky:

i am too :-)

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mkrufky:

http://www.kernellabs.com/hg/~stoth/cx23885-api/

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mkrufky:

but its fixed

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mkrufky:

go test it

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mkrufky:

(this time im not kidding)

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Shadow__X:

awesome now i need a 5 way splittler though

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Shadow__X:

:(

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Shadow__X:

damn you mkrufky

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Shadow__X:

thanks though i appreciate you and stoth 's hard work

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mkrufky:

Shadow__X: when you test this, keep in mind that you have to do some wierd thing in myth-setup to force it to use /dev/video1, NOT video0

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mkrufky:

...as a v4l2 mpeg encoder

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mkrufky:

(i think u have to use the ivtv profile, even tho its a misnomer)

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iamlindoro:

Some weird thing like press the right arrow once? ;)

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: the feature: — the new atsc demods report SNR in terms of 0.1 dB , and the strength field just reports the same as SNR, in 3 modules

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: nope, tis broken — i cant explain it

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iamlindoro:

So a weird thing like pressing the delete key once and typing "1"?

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: anyway, my "atscdemod" tree, linked above, translates the units into what mythtv expects to see

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iamlindoro:

;)

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: cool

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: maybe steve can describe it better

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: Though if the units have been standardized in v4l, we might as well fix it in myth

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mkrufky:

the mythtv-setup issue

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mkrufky:

too bad it has nothing to do with v4l

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mkrufky:

dont fix it in myth

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mkrufky:

that is just asking for worse problems

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iamlindoro:

k

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mkrufky:

wait until im done first

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mkrufky:

ill make sure u guys know about it when all is ready

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mkrufky:

(this is re:signal strength)

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iamlindoro:

Yes, I understand

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iamlindoro:

so is that to say that you aim for all devices to report signal strength consistently? Or only some?

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Shadow__X:

alright i will test now and use video1

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GreyFoxx:

Man, coming back to work after a long weekend is just not fun

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mkrufky:

btw.... im caffeine super-powered right now ..... if im being brash of offensing, i apologize — i swear i mean well ....

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: At least you *got* a long weekend :)

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mkrufky:

this is mainly at u, Shadow__X

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: yeah

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iamlindoro:

I spent my weekend at work :(

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mkrufky:

iamlindoro: all, but only some as of that tree, so myth should wait till i say all

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iamlindoro:

at least a fair chunk of it

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky: coolio

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Shadow__X:

mkrufky: nope its cool i gots it i know you software guys arent allowed out much :D

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iamlindoro:

mkrufky gets out plenty

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iamlindoro:

He's a very popular fellow

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mkrufky:

:-D, what's said on facebook stays on facebook

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Shadow__X:

ah ok good to hear

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iamlindoro:

Hey now, I wasn't going any further than that

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Shadow__X:

mkrufky: and thanks for helping getting this resolved

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iamlindoro:

But it's goot to know you got that rash looked at

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mkrufky:

im just havin fun :-)

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iamlindoro:

good

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mkrufky:

LOL

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hendrix04:

if it is on the wall then it is free game ;)

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GreyFoxx:

Does the HDPVR come with an IR blaster ?

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: yes, though non functional in linux as yet

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GreyFoxx:

k

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iamlindoro:

likewise w/ the receiver

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hendrix04:

then what is the point? :P

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Shadow__X:

control the box over firewire

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jams:

isn't the receiver getting close to working

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mkrufky:

im under the impression that janneg has already got the zilog working......

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GreyFoxx:

I've got a couple packed away I hacked up years ago and wasn't sure if I would need to dig them out

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mkrufky:

...at the cost of video capture

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jams:

mkrufky- thats what i thought

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mkrufky:

better off waiting a bit till its stable & working

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mkrufky:

use some other IR until then

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

(or as Shadow__X said, firewire)

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** iamlindoro is a happy HD-PVR + Firewire user **

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j-rod:

yes, the receiver should be rather close to working

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j-rod:

poking at that is still on my todo list

[15:50:50]

** jams wonders how many meetings it takes to decide to decide to use an oddball receiver. **

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** Shadow__X is happy at the prospect of one day not being able to be replaced with a shell script **

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adicarlo:

iamlindoro: firewire for video capture or for controlling a device?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, and yes

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hendrix04:

i dont own my STB so prolly not a good idea to hack it up to put in firewire

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iamlindoro:

hendrix04: Not that you can anyway

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j-rod:

yeah, same here. though w/the ion I just put in, no more firewire, so I'll be using just the hdpvr, and need to set up a blaster now...

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Shadow__X:

hendrix04: if you are in us you can demand a stb with firewire

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iamlindoro:

hendrix04: But many cable providers give you a box that's already got it

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adicarlo:

iamlindoro: ah ... supposed to work with my settop box but its never been able to negotiate

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hendrix04:

i have dish network

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adicarlo:

firewire is wierd and scary

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adicarlo:

(IMHO)

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iamlindoro:

hendrix04: So no firewire option one way or another, not even a hack

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iamlindoro:

adicarlo: Weird and scary until it's working perfectly and you're capturing perfect digital streams of all your HD channels :)

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adicarlo:

iamlindoro: then lovely!

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sphery:

Nice, new nvidia X config option: "RegistryDwords"... One day they'll make GNU/Linux into Windows!

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Shadow__X:

when firewire works its berry b erry nice

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hendrix04:

there is a firewire hack for the VIP series of dish boxes

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adicarlo:

iamlindoro: may i ask what make and model?

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iamlindoro:

adicarlo: The make and model don't make a bit of difference

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iamlindoro:

adicarlo: firewire behavior is set by a downloaded policy from the headend

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adicarlo:

ah

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iamlindoro:

adicarlo: Though I have 2x Motorola DCH-3200 (not that it matters, as above)

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adicarlo:

then I can blame TWCNY and not sci atl

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

though AFAIK TWC in NYC should give you some firewire

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adicarlo:

those 'tards

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: they gave me a dct 6412 instead of a dch 3200

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iamlindoro:

as I think at least one person reading right now gets it

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adicarlo:

hum! maybe the doctor needs to diagnose himself

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: Think I've explained the 62xx/32xx differences to you before

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adicarlo:

(me I mean)

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: yup i know

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Shadow__X:

i am saying they gave me 2 dvr boxes by mistake

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iamlindoro:

oh well

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adicarlo:

Shadow__X: ooh, score

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Shadow__X:

eh not really i rather use mythtv anyway

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sphery:

Yeah, DVR boxes that use 2–3x as much power as a non-DVR box--and, when you're using MythTV, anyway, that extra power usage is such a waste.

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Shadow__X:

and i still can get premiums off of it although i heard of a way how to get recordings off the internal hd havnt had time enough to try it

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adicarlo:

ah one of those I see

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Shadow__X:

sphery: yeah exactly

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Shadow__X:

mkrufky: i am having trouble running make on the tree you gave me

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sphery:

iamlindoro: a nice message for you to respond to: "DeInterlacing && DVI"

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Shadow__X:

my next agenda for myth is to finalyl get a hdpvr

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iamlindoro:

sphery: read, I refuse ;)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I would, but I'm stuck on the, "Where to start..." part

[15:58:12]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: HD-PVR highly recommended

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sphery:

and it's got a nice glowy blue strip on it!

[15:58:52]

iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: I suspect sometime between .22 and .23 it will become our "throwaway answer" for what capture device to buy

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Shadow__X:

oh that means i have to get it that much sooner

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Shadow__X:

yeah i am sure it will be

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iamlindoro:

as in, works for most situations for most people who want to watch cable and satellite

[15:59:22]

Shadow__X:

premiums are nice too

[15:59:45]

Shadow__X:

and i know i know i have seen enough of your screanshots

[16:00:00]

Shadow__X:

screenshot*

[16:00:06]

iamlindoro:

You love it

[16:01:08]

Shadow__X:

i do

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j-rod:

you people and your need for deint filters

[16:02:32]

iamlindoro:

I don't need to deinterlace, I have DVI ;)

[16:02:43]

j-rod:

yup, haven't had a deint filter enabled in ~4 years

[16:02:47]

iamlindoro:

I learned that on the users list

[16:02:59]

mkrufky:

Shadow__X: tell me in #linuxtv

[16:03:14]

GreyFoxx:

I still have to deinterlace some of my content, and it's over DVI/HDMI

[16:03:29]

GreyFoxx:

show of my PVR250 recorded stuff

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j-rod:

so a 9400M that can't do Advanced 2x deint doesn't matter at all to me

[16:05:01]

j-rod:

(did try enabling it for fun. results in big-time stutter.)

[16:05:50]

wagnerrp:

a 9400M will do advanced 2x deint just fine

[16:06:03]

j-rod:

didn't here

[16:06:18]

wagnerrp:

it just wont do it at 1080i

[16:06:33]

j-rod:

sorry, right, I thought 1080i was implied. :)

[16:08:31]

j-rod:

futbol o'clock.

[16:08:51]

** j-rod heads out the door to go play some kick the ball **

[16:10:42]

iamlindoro:

HIPPIE!

[16:10:44]

iamlindoro:

;)

[16:11:32]

iamlindoro:

Anduin: I'm guess since nothing happened in the last week that #6346 is probably back to "indeterminate?"

[16:12:17]

iamlindoro:

As Necessary, I am ready to apply guilt now. ;)

[16:13:01]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: I'll do it today

[16:13:16]

iamlindoro:

I always liked you

[16:13:20]

wagnerrp:

wouldnt the 'hippie' be going outside to hack the sack?

[16:13:27]

iamlindoro:

and you're a very handsome chap, have I mentioned that?

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mkrufky:

its always interesting th read the last message before a long moment of silence

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iamlindoro:

Yes, we all shared something really special just then

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sphery:

Heh, so it turns out the guy who quoted title 17 saying that hacking Netflix Watch Instantly could be cracked, er, "reverse engineered" without violating the DMCA is an Australian who couldn't even use Watch Instantly if we did it...

[16:22:36]

sphery:

Guess he should have said /both/ IANAL and IANAUSC

[16:23:42]

iamlindoro:

Certain forkers have attempted to lecture me on what constitutes theft in the past as you may recall

[16:23:55]

sphery:

yes

[16:24:31]

sphery:

and, of course, they're willing to talk big as long as it's someone else's time/money on the line

[16:24:45]

iamlindoro:

yep

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sid3windr:

sphery: you mean IAHNTBAUSC? ;)

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gbee:

you are all going to acronym hell

[16:32:04]

sphery:

trying to figure out that one...

[16:32:29]

sid3windr:

I am happy not to be ... :>

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sphery:

ahhh

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administrator__:

There is some work done on s2api support!!!! Yeay!!! is it already in trunk? The ticket says I would need 2.6.29 or higher, but I run ubuntu jaunty with liplianin driver and dont know how to update the kernel?

[16:36:02]

iamlindoro:

No, it's not in trunk yet, the patch is in trac

[16:36:10]

iamlindoro:

And read the ticket for the answer to the kernel question

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mkrufky:

administrator__: if you're running liplianin they you dont need the new kernel

[16:36:27]

mkrufky:

oops, sorry iamlindoro

[16:36:32]

iamlindoro:

np

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** mkrufky tries not to step on others toes but manages to do it anyway **

[16:36:57]

iamlindoro:

naw

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sphery:

iamlindoro: maybe it's your guy...

[16:37:00]

mkrufky:

:-P

[16:37:07]

sphery:

(the anon donor)

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administrator__:

mkrufky thanks

[16:37:19]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky: heh

[16:37:23]

iamlindoro:

er sphery ^^

[16:37:30]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I'd rather he donated to ME :)

[16:37:38]

sphery:

heh

[16:38:01]

sphery:

well, if it is your guy, then good job bringing a believer into the fold

[16:38:16]

iamlindoro:

I would say that now that he has adequate hardware he is quite satisfied

[16:38:44]

jams:

can't take that statement out of context ...

[16:38:52]

iamlindoro:

Oh feel free ;)

[16:39:32]

sphery:

yeah, sounds like iamlindoro's hardware wasn't up to expectations to start with--but at least iamlindoro warned him

[16:39:39]

iamlindoro:

har har

[16:43:28]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: then we'd have to print the shirts in Canadian, too

[16:44:13]

GreyFoxx:

As long as you don't skimp on the 'u' in works like colour, and favourite we should be fine :)

[16:45:05]

Shadow__X:

i would def get a tshirt

[16:45:32]

jams:

maybe different shirts based on different themes!

[16:45:51]

sphery:

Actually, that would be a sweet T-shirt... On the front it says, 'QObject::tr("MythTV Rocks!");' (or whatever) and on the back it provides some <message><source>... translations

[16:47:36]

juski:

bloo-tshirt-wide for morbidly obese people ~:-D

[16:47:43]

sphery:

hehe

[16:47:45]

iamlindoro:

That would make sense to the < 20 of us who have seen the actual myth translation code

[16:48:13]

sphery:

plus a few Qt devs out there :)

[16:48:16]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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sphery:

so it would be perfect for those of us traveling to Oslo

[16:49:11]

iamlindoro:

Going on a pilgrimage?

[16:49:13]

sphery:

Or Espoo (assuming HQ keeps up with the trolls...)

[16:49:17]

iamlindoro:

Or To sign an "accord"?

[16:49:42]

sphery:

Trolltech HQ and Nokia HQ, respectively :)

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sid3windr:

why would you sign a honda

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android6011:

what card type do I need to put for an em28xx chipset

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android6011:

analog v4l?

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tmkt:

reading the mythweather twiki

[17:16:44]

laga_:

someone is twittering the wiki?

[17:16:51]

tmkt:

it talks about accuweather, but doesn't seem like accuweather comes when you installed it

[17:16:59]

Dagmar:

That sounds *dirty*

[17:17:01]

tmkt:

wiki sorry – yahoo terminology

[17:17:05]

tmkt:

not surew here we got twiki from

[17:17:17]

kormoc_:

short for tikiwiki?

[17:17:22]

tmkt:

probably

[17:17:24]

tmkt:

never asked

[17:17:36]

Dagmar:

didn't that one die from sheer awkwardness?

[17:18:04]

kormoc_:

actually, it's expanded

[17:18:30]

laga_:

awkwardness causes expansion?

[17:18:33]

kormoc_:

Wiki, Forums, Blogs, Articles, Image Gallery, Maps, Links, Translation, Bug tracker...

[17:18:34]

tmkt:

so i've Downloaded the accuweather.pl script

[17:18:42]

sphery:

You get erroweather for free, but you have to upgrade to MythWeather Pro to get accuweather

[17:18:43]

Dagmar:

So, now it's gone on to having annoying stylesheets?

[17:18:47]

tmkt:

now just need to know what i'm not doing, to activate it

[17:19:02]

gbee:

wonder what the advantage of accuweather is ...

[17:19:13]

Dagmar:

Probably less asshole lawyers

[17:19:15]

kormoc_:

tmkt, if it's a supported script, toss it into mythweather's script directory and chmod +x it

[17:19:31]

kormoc_:

gbee, more accu and less accurate

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sphery:

kormoc_: so now it's twiki-tforums-tblogs-tarticles-timage_gallery-tmaps-tlinks-ttranslation-tbug_tra cker?

[17:19:41]

tmkt:

yeah

[17:19:42]

tmkt:

did that

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tmkt:

odd

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Dagmar:

Lord knows you can't touch wunderground

[17:19:53]

Dagmar:

They'll sue you

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Dagmar:

:)

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kormoc_:

tmkt, it might not be updated for current API then

[17:20:03]

kormoc_:

sphery, aye

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sphery:

tmkt: run the script in a terminal and see what errors you get (likely about missing prereqs)

[17:20:21]

tmkt:

no errors

[17:20:26]

kormoc_:

sphery, I'm all for tiki-bars, but if I had to use tiki-* at work, I'd go tiki on their ass...

[17:20:44]

gbee:

I mean you'd think NOAA is the ultimate source of weather data, they supply places like accuweather, so what's the benefit of using a third party when you can go direct?

[17:20:50]

Dagmar:

Wunderground acts like it's their god given right to take NOAA data and charge people money to find out whether or not it's raining.

[17:21:03]

gbee:

there must be something, I'm just wondering what it is

[17:21:15]

Dagmar:

It's _money_.

[17:21:16]

tmkt:

never mind

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tmkt:

foudn the error

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kormoc_:

gbee, accuweather is a brand around here, well known

[17:21:29]

tmkt:

missing perl lib i'm gessing

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sphery:

kormoc_: btw, did you see #6803 ? Trying to get the guy to tell me if he gets the same error as #6798 , but it's like pulling teeth...

[17:21:31]

tmkt:

guessign

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gbee:

kormoc_: right, so it's just brand recognition? Not that they offer data in a way that NOAA don't?

[17:21:58]

Dagmar:

Wunderground iirc were one of those that were actually trying to file a suit to prevent NOAA opening their data up further

[17:22:04]

sphery:

kormoc_: 3rd time someone's reported that issue in (3?) days... This time, though, we got a version (0.21-fixes), which makes no sense

[17:22:18]

kormoc_:

gbee, afaik, it's the exact same data

[17:22:52]

kormoc_:

gbee, accuweather just takes NOAA data and sends it out to local stations, so you'd always get the local weather man saying, weather data provided by accuweather

[17:23:12]

gbee:

kormoc_: aye, that's my point, default mythweather uses NOAA (or BBC, or ENV Canada – all primary sources), so why does an Accuweather script even exist?

[17:23:30]

kormoc_:

gbee, people like their familiar brands?

[17:23:48]

sphery:

and, if it's "accu", then it /must/ be better, right

[17:24:23]

sphery:

just like only a fool would run mythfilldatabase when there exists a contrib script called smartfill

[17:24:39]

sphery:

why would I have a program do a dumb fill when I could choose to have a smart fill done?

[17:25:19]

** gbee 's head hurts **

[17:25:33]

kormoc_:

sphery, the devs have no clue what they're doing after all, cause if they did, the users would not have to fix up everything, like fixing the database to take utf-8 rather then latin1

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Dagmar:

heh

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ProgressivePirat:

Does the wiki provide a list of QAM linux friendly tuner cards?

[17:26:10]

kormoc_:

ProgressivePirat, no, but linuxtv.org does

[17:26:15]

hendrix04:

hmm, can i have a semi retarded fill?

[17:26:26]

ProgressivePirat:

yarg

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kormoc_:

hendrix04, just press crtl+c randomly during the fill run

[17:27:06]

Dagmar:

Just throw in some regexps to make it convert all the text to uppercase

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sphery:

kormoc_: exactly... Guess, though, since every dev is in the US, they forget about all those people with, for example, German characters ;)

[17:27:42]

sphery:

ProgressivePirat: though technically, the linuxtv.org wiki does... http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

[17:28:08]

kormoc_:

sphery, cause none of us sprechen sie Deutsches

[17:28:22]

ProgressivePirat:

hmmmmm....what about FreeBSD......I'm trying to build a NAS/DVR combo and I haven't decided on using FreeNAS or Linux

[17:28:31]

sphery:

yeah, just ask jan neg :)

[17:29:04]

wagnerrp:

ProgressivePirat: except for a handful of devices (like the HDHR), mythtv on freebsd is a loser

[17:29:10]

sphery:

ProgressivePirat: I don't think there's a bsdtv.org, but even if there were, Myth /really/ likes GNU/Linux...

[17:29:24]

wagnerrp:

lack of device drivers kills it

[17:29:35]

ProgressivePirat:

what's HDHR?

[17:29:50]

wagnerrp:

hdhomerun, network attached digital tuner

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sphery:

No joke. What were those BSD guys thinking not supporting the standard video capture interface, V4L ;)

[17:29:54]

ProgressivePirat:

HDHomeRun?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv accesses it directly, so there is no device driver

[17:30:50]

ProgressivePirat:

interesting

[17:30:55]

wagnerrp:

there are some drivers for the PVR line of cards, but theyre no longer updated, and no longer functioning

[17:31:01]

ProgressivePirat:

HD tuner in a box basically

[17:31:20]

wagnerrp:

and the HDHR is buggy under trunk/freebsd for some reason

[17:31:29]

wagnerrp:

not sure what the problem is there, because it worked fine under 0.21

[17:32:17]

wagnerrp:

you might have success with firewire capture.... ive not tried it

[17:34:15]

ProgressivePirat:

besides Google where is a good place to get commerical DVR info?

[17:34:56]

android6011:

Is there a way to get this to pull guide info into mythtv http://www.hack7mc.com/2009/08/using-mc2xml-t . . . ty-apps.html

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sphery:

wagnerrp: I think some patches have gone in to update the HDHR code to use newer software and may require newer firmware.

[17:35:18]

wagnerrp:

android6011: no

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wagnerrp:

sphery: ill check into that later tonight

[17:35:32]

android6011:

wagnerrp: any reason?

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wagnerrp:

but it seems odd that a firmware issue would cause problems in freebsd, but not linux

[17:36:06]

wagnerrp:

android6011: youre not allowed to use the WMC data outside WMC

[17:36:38]

sphery:

android6011: if you're in North America, use Schedules Direct as using WMC data is a violation of licensing/ToS.

[17:36:46]

android6011:

what card type do I need to put for an em28xx chipset? analog v4l?

[17:37:05]

wagnerrp:

its one of those things that will never be added to mythtv, even if you can patch it in yourself

[17:37:20]

sphery:

if you're not in North America and are in one of those places where the only reliable source of listings is WMC, then figure out how to violate the license elsewhere, please. :)

[17:37:24]

wagnerrp:

and probably, one of those things youre not supposed to talk about in here

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android6011:

I didnt know if maybe it was allowed if you had mc installed on the same pc or hwo it worked

[17:39:12]

sphery:

anyway, you'll get /much/ better info from Schedules Direct

[17:39:21]

sphery:

and it's the best $20/yr you'll spend on your Myth setup

[17:40:26]

sphery:

Even if there were 100's of cost-free alternatives to Schedules Direct in the US, I would be using Schedules Direct as it's worth many times what you pay and you lose too much capability when you use alternative sources.

[17:40:59]

wagnerrp:

beyond the fact that your already spending far more in power yearly than you would scheduling data

[17:41:06]

sphery:

i.e. it makes Myth better than Myth was before Schedules Direct existed (and, technically, before Zap2It Labs)

[17:41:08]

AndyCap:

besides, the win mce listings here were crap when I tried windows 7 :)

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administrator__:

when will s2api probably hit trunk?

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sphery:

when it's ready :)

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iamlindoro:

administrator__: The patch was only posted *yesterday*... it'll be applied when the maintainer feels it's been adequately tested

[17:43:25]

iamlindoro:

ie, not today, not tomorrow

[17:44:12]

sphery:

Are we there, yet, Papa Smurf?

[17:44:55]

kormoc_:

Why test? stability < broken feature count

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iamlindoro:

hahahah

[17:45:27]

iamlindoro:

Well then I have got some patches for you, brother

[17:45:32]

sphery:

kormoc_: are you switching to work on another 4-letter project?

[17:45:59]

kormoc_:

totally! I like being able to make claims without doing the work to back them up ;)

[17:46:56]

sphery:

So, from now on, we should call that project KOZP

[17:47:05]

sphery:

(rot13)

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android6011:

on my mediace center remote (new philips rc6) i have to press ok after either channel up or down, is there a way to fix that

[17:48:01]

sphery:

android6011: turn of "Always use browse mode"

[17:48:05]

sphery:

then suffer the consequences

[17:48:07]

android6011:

where is that at

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laga_:

what he said

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wagnerrp:

so freenode automatically suppresses 'root', but not 'administrator'?

[17:48:41]

wagnerrp:

kind of backwards

[17:48:50]

wagnerrp:

usually its the windows users who need protection from themselves

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sphery:

"Always use Browse mode when changing channels in LiveTV: If enabled, Browse mode will automatically be activated whenever you use Channel UP/DOWN while watching Live TV." In TV Settings|OSD

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sphery:

android6011: note, though, that it will make channel "surfing" impossible to use

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iamlindoro:

yes, that is awful awful

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sphery:

unless you like waiting 2–5 seconds between each channel change

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android6011:

oh

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root:

wagnerrp, it does?

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android6011:

I wish schedules direct wasnt so much $

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wagnerrp:

root: apparently not... i thought it did

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kormoc:

android6011, skip a coffee a quarter?

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sphery:

android6011: $0.06/day is much $

[17:50:29]

iamlindoro:

uhh, SD is super cheap

[17:50:41]

sphery:

android6011: if you /really/ can't afford Schedules Direct, you should /not/ be wasting money setting up a Myth box

[17:50:43]

android6011:

i just dont use 6 cents of guide a day

[17:50:45]

wagnerrp:

if you cant afford $20/yr, you probably shouldnt be running myth

[17:50:51]

android6011:

I'm not home weekdays

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iamlindoro:

$20 a year and getting the whole DVR software (and all this support) for free is the cheapest you can possibly get a DVR

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sphery:

android6011: note that a Myth box will amost /definitely/ cost you more than a cable-/satellite-company DVR or a TiVo or a Windows MCE box

[17:51:15]

sphery:

Myth is /not/ a way to get a cheap DVR

[17:51:27]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: i dont think you qualify for calling myth a cheap DVR

[17:51:32]

tmkt:

android..i'm sure you'll be using 6 cents a day worth of guide when you are scheduling recordings

[17:51:39]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: In terms of service cost? Lower than any other

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tmkt:

or seeing what new shows will be coming up

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kormoc:

android6011, well, if you're not recording stuff, why use a DVR?

[17:51:56]

sphery:

android6011: and you'll /definitely/ be using more than $0.06/day of power (electricity)

[17:51:57]

android6011:

I just want more of a htpc setup than a dvr

[17:52:14]

android6011:

I like the interface

[17:52:16]

sphery:

android6011: myhtpc, freevo, sage, ...

[17:52:22]

sphery:

xbmc

[17:52:23]

android6011:

I don't like any of thsoe

[17:52:25]

sphery:

and many others

[17:52:28]

android6011:

xbmc isnt bad

[17:52:44]

android6011:

but I want to watch tv on it to, and sometimes record

[17:52:54]

android6011:

on rare occasions i have recorded with wmc

[17:52:56]

sphery:

and it's not worth $0.06/day to do that?

[17:53:16]

sphery:

(technically, $0.05479452 per day)

[17:53:19]

** iamlindoro mumbles something about entitlement culture **

[17:53:31]

sphery:

"information wants to be free"

[17:53:42]

android6011:

like i said, it would be worth it if i was home more

[17:53:57]

iamlindoro:

If it's not worth it, don't pay for it

[17:54:02]

wagnerrp:

you know, after building such a cheap new frontend, i was honestly surprised how much it cost when i priced out a full system for my parents

[17:54:04]

tmkt:

and even less on leap years

[17:54:04]

kormoc:

android6011, so yeah, don't buy it...

[17:54:09]

sphery:

android6011: so, don't get any guide data, set up a video source using No Grabber, then enjoy your 1980's era VCR

[17:54:20]

android6011:

lol

[17:54:38]

sphery:

I'm being completely serious

[17:54:51]

sphery:

if you don't get 6cents/day worth of value from the listings, don't buy them

[17:54:53]

kormoc:

android6011, what do you want? The data costs $20 a year, you can buy it for $20 a year or not... we're not forcing you to buy it...

[17:54:58]

android6011:

my vcr didnt have an emulator on it :p

[17:55:15]

sphery:

then get yourself a TV Guide subscription or go to Zap2It.com every day to see if something is on you want to record and then set up a manual recording rule

[17:55:35]

sphery:

android6011: fine, you can use Myth without guide data

[17:55:36]

iamlindoro:

Or buy Windows for $200 (upgrade only) and get free guide data

[17:55:44]

iamlindoro:

then in 11 years you can laugh at us for spending too much

[17:55:46]

sphery:

it's just that /you/ are the one who has to find everything you want to record

[17:55:47]

tmkt:

or tv.yahoo.com

[17:56:09]

sphery:

iamlindoro: or 10 years and 1 day?

[17:56:12]

iamlindoro:

or that

[17:56:27]

iamlindoro:

See you in 2019, let us know how it works out

[17:56:49]

sphery:

though, again, if you can't afford $20/yr for listings data, you should /really/ be spending your money on something other than a luxury DVR, like Myth

[17:57:03]

iamlindoro:

Like that GED you've been eying

[17:57:10]

ProgressivePirat:

haha

[17:57:32]

hendrix04:

if you can't afford $20/yr for listings then you should probably not have a PC dedicated you your TV

[17:57:38]

ProgressivePirat:

mythtv supports live pause, play, and rewind?

[17:57:39]

android6011:

how come you keep saying mythtv costs a lot? I used older parts that probably would have been trashed soon, sure electricity costs add up, but thats life

[17:57:48]

hendrix04:

or spend money on those cigs

[17:57:50]

kormoc:

hrm, I'm falling behind without a capture device, I've only spent 25% of the time recording for the past 3 years 6 months 21 days 22 hrs 54 mins

[17:58:01]

iamlindoro:

ProgressivePirat: yes

[17:58:10]

kormoc:

ProgressivePirat, yes, although live tv isn't considered a core focus point

[17:58:15]

** sphery wonders if ProgressivePirat is just 47 days early with his nick... **

[17:58:32]

ProgressivePirat:

what?

[17:58:33]

sphery:

ProgressivePirat: and some of us prefer to refer to it as Waste-Your-LifeTV

[17:58:53]

sphery:

Sept 19, 2009, Talk Like a Pirate Day

[17:58:54]

android6011:

is it possible to hook up a splitter backwards, and have 2 antennas go into the card for better signal?

[17:59:01]

kormoc:

android6011, no

[17:59:05]

android6011:

didnt think so

[17:59:34]

AarononCall:

andriod

[17:59:35]

AarononCall:

actually

[17:59:39]

AarononCall:

i think you can

[17:59:42]

** kormoc sighs **

[17:59:44]

AarononCall:

ive done that before

[17:59:47]

ProgressivePirat:

kormoc: so if I'm interested in live TV watching I should go with commercial DVR options? mythtv is mostly use for watching recordings?

[17:59:48]

sphery:

android6011: look up informatoin on wiring antennas in parallel

[18:00:11]

AarononCall:

because i had my computer on my home cabling, and i used it on channel three, and the dish network recievers worked on channel 4

[18:00:16]

kormoc:

ProgressivePirat, it works, it's just not always the best experience, but you might as well give it a go if you have the hardware

[18:00:19]

android6011:

well, what if I wanted to do an antenna and cable going into it

[18:00:25]

AarononCall:

i just used a splitter backwards, worked perfectly.

[18:00:30]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: i think something on that page is messed up...

[18:00:38]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, which page?

[18:00:40]

wagnerrp:

my system seems to be rounding down from 8% to 0%

[18:00:51]

kormoc:

huh

[18:00:52]

hendrix04:

aarononCall: you are mixing signals not boosting them... There is a difference

[18:00:55]

sphery:

wagnerrp: maybe you have about 3 stuck pixels?

[18:01:57]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, I think it calculates from first recording to last, not today's date, so if you have a very early recording or one set incorrectly?

[18:02:34]

wagnerrp:

the earliest recording wouldnt set the total running time?

[18:02:54]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, it does, aye, but if you have a recording with a date of null?

[18:03:09]

sphery:

android6011: http://www.hdtvprimer.com/ANTENNAS/merging.html

[18:06:41]

android6011:

sphery: so that is saying there is more overall loss than gain?

[18:07:17]

juski:

ye cannae jist add signals cap'n

[18:07:44]

** wagnerrp hates when shows are listed as HD, when it is just SD up-scaled to 1080i **

[18:07:56]

juski:

wagnerrp: sue

[18:08:05]

iamlindoro:

Two Plus Two is Ten

[18:08:12]

iamlindoro:

In Base Four, I'm fine

[18:08:18]

wagnerrp:

juski: sure you can, if your antennae are in phase

[18:08:50]

** kormoc sighs **

[18:09:07]

juski:

wagnerrp: there's a bit more to it than that

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juski:

what I mean is you can't just bosh antenna connections together like some dummies do & expect it to improve signals ;-)

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wagnerrp:

i know what you mean, just being an ass

[18:12:07]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, to do it well

[18:12:34]

wagnerrp:

hmm... two episodes of Better off Ted next week?

[18:12:44]

kormoc:

lies?

[18:13:05]

sphery:

kormoc: is there a fancy mysql command to determine if binary logging is enabled (or just SHOW BINARY LOGS; which requires super permissions)

[18:13:41]

sphery:

wagnerrp: well, there were 2 episodes tonight to make up for skipping last week until they changed it and decided that--once again--reality TV is more important :(

[18:13:57]

sphery:

The Superstars!!!

[18:14:04]

meshe:

sphery: show master status

[18:14:09]

sphery:

I just want to see the regular stars of Better Off Ted...

[18:14:12]

wagnerrp:

but Ted is a superstar, of R&D....

[18:14:14]

iamlindoro:

Robot Chicken has consistently wrong listings

[18:14:24]

sphery:

meshe: ah, that one needs SUPER,REPLICATION CLIENT

[18:14:29]

iamlindoro:

I keep getting some random other show about piles of goo dressed as rednecks

[18:14:51]

wagnerrp:

squidbillies or something?

[18:15:15]

iamlindoro:

I dunno

[18:15:27]

wagnerrp:

i see ads for that during venture brothers... and theres just no incentive for me to watch it

[18:15:33]

iamlindoro:

Yes, that's it

[18:16:28]

kormoc:

sphery, SHOW BINARY LOGS;

[18:16:56]

kormoc:

sphery, it's still super required, but doesn't require replication

[18:17:14]

sphery:

OK. I just told the guy he's probably ok, but that he can check with a mysql user with sufficient privileges

[18:17:17]

sphery:

thanks

[18:17:31]

kormoc:

sphery, and *I* think it throws an error even as not a super user if it's not on

[18:18:05]

sphery:

it's not on on mine and I just got "ERROR 1227 (42000): Access denied; you need the SUPER privilege for this operation"

[18:18:13]

kormoc:

ahh, sad

[18:18:48]

sphery:

anyway, it turns out that the HOWTO says log-bin when many distros are using log_bin

[18:18:56]

sphery:

are they equivalent in my.cnf?

[18:19:34]

sphery:

I know my my.cnf (which is an example from the mysql source distribution--unmodified) has #log-bin=mysql-bin

[18:19:35]

meshe:

log_bin is the mysql variable, log-bin is the option

[18:19:48]

kormoc:

^^

[18:19:49]

sphery:

so if your distro has #log_bin=mysql-bin

[18:19:58]

sphery:

and you uncomment it, it won't enable binary logging?

[18:20:06]

** sphery wonders about the broken distro that he's using... **

[18:20:29]

sphery:

(he = the guy on the -users list)

[18:20:30]

juski:

does its name end in 'buntu' ?

[18:20:44]

meshe:

sphery: try: show variables like 'log_bin'; as a user that doesn't have super

[18:21:12]

sphery:

well, he said, "P.S. I'm newish to Linux, and new to Myth/MySQL, so basic comments welcome!", so probably, yeah :)

[18:21:41]

sphery:

meshe: nice... works.

[18:22:04]

meshe:

kewl, off for lunch

[18:23:37]

wagnerrp:

'Tired of getting down after intercourse started'... WTF is that even supposed to mean?

[18:24:06]

sphery:

any *buntu users here who want to figure out if the commented line in their /etc/{,mysql/}my.cnf is #log-bin or #log_bin ?

[18:24:34]

tmkt:

sure

[18:24:41]

juski:

#log_bin = /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.log

[18:24:50]

tmkt:

_

[18:25:03]

sphery:

hmmm... weird.

[18:25:07]

sphery:

I wonder if that would work

[18:25:48]

wagnerrp:

i really wonder what people how to gain by spamming mailing lists

[18:25:54]

wagnerrp:

s/how/hope/

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kormoc:

sphery, so if you have log_bin set and log-bin unset, it'll be enabled, if you have log_bin set and log-bin off, it will be disabled, if you have log_bin unset and log-bin on, it'll be enabled

[18:26:06]

kormoc:

least, that's my understanding of it

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orogor:

hi

[18:26:23]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, the one guy clicking on it?

[18:26:54]

orogor:

ordered a 9400GT i get it in 2 days

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sphery:

kormoc: ah... so one defines the location and one enables/disables it. But in the absense of enabling it, simply defining the location enables it...

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kormoc:

sphery, aye, least that's my understanding

[18:27:06]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: i have to imagine even the lowliest users is going to be able to tell the difference between spam, and legitimate mythtv traffic

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sphery:

kormoc: you are far better at making logical leaps than I

[18:27:21]

orogor:

i work on sunday we ll put the heavy new servers in place

[18:27:31]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: So my mythweb streaming has stopped working entirely in one of the recent batch of commits-- anything you are aware of?

[18:27:34]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, that virus that was mailed out? someone clicked on it for their virus scanner to pick it up

[18:27:48]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, perhaps, do you have a rewrite base set?

[18:27:55]

sphery:

iamlindoro: there's a ticket that says it needs changes...

[18:28:09]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: TBH I don't know what that is, I am using a fairly default setup

[18:28:15]

kormoc:

rgr

[18:28:16]

sphery:

iamlindoro: though you'd know that if you were keeping up with the -commits list... :)

[18:28:18]

kormoc:

I'll poke at it and see

[18:28:20]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: ir ip.ad.dr.ess/mythweb/

[18:28:24]

iamlindoro:

er ie

[18:28:27]

** kormoc nods **

[18:28:46]

iamlindoro:

error log contains: [Tue Aug 04 11:26:37 2009] [error] [client 192.168.0.99] File does not exist: /var/www/pl, referer: http://127.0.0.1/mythweb/tv/detail/2063/1249367340

[18:28:47]

sphery:

iamlindoro: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6789

[18:28:54]

iamlindoro:

!trout sphery

[18:28:54]

** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a trout on behalf of iamlindoro... **

[18:29:12]

sphery:

iamlindoro: that's the same thing... it's the "subdirectory" :)

[18:29:13]

iamlindoro:

sphery: thx ;)

[18:29:28]

iamlindoro:

sphery: kormoc: Yeah, sorry, I am web-dumb :(

[18:29:56]

iamlindoro:

Opening a ticket that the pretty picturesounds don't play on my shinybox seems ill advised

[18:30:08]

brad2:

haha

[18:30:33]

sphery:

iamlindoro: and, it seems you don't speak yoda, either (as that's the language that seemed to be used for the ticket :)

[18:31:15]

iamlindoro:

Ah, I understand what it's saying, yes, that appears to be the same issue

[18:31:53]

sphery:

yeah, it took me a while to figure it out when I first saw it.

[18:32:12]

sphery:

and the title, itself, wasn't enough info to figure it out

[18:33:55]

iamlindoro:

Hmm, so wondering how officially hosted Mac OS X packages will contend with tracking -fixes

[18:34:14]

iamlindoro:

(and likewise windows ones... and has anyone turned up and volunteered to create an installer yet?)

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orogor:

handmade tomato-mozza-rawpig in a burger

[18:35:25]

jduggan:

random

[18:35:29]

juski:

iamlindoro: sounds like a barrel of fail

[18:36:34]

iamlindoro:

juski: Maybe at first, and though I don't intend to use it I am interested in there being a windows port-- a BDA capture card recorder would be a quick way to add a slave backend that supports cards not working in linux-- and get more developers that will never be allowed commit access into the fold

[18:36:52]

iamlindoro:

On account of them looking at someone funny once

[18:37:03]

sphery:

iamlindoro: and whether it will bring the ire of Sisvel

[18:37:32]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I don't plan to go to any german conferences

[18:37:51]

sphery:

heh, but poor jan neg

[18:38:04]

sphery:

and/or the other Euros who do...

[18:39:11]

juski:

iamlindoro: if any myth fan won the lotto, they could fork myth & pay the right people to come along :P

[18:40:06]

iamlindoro:

If I thought there was any chance of keeping the wheat and losing the chaff and having an environment that was a little less like the illuminati, I'd suggest such a thing

[18:40:38]

iamlindoro:

As it is, naked pagan rituals in goat masks and latin-speak will have to do

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[18:42:02]

juski:

I think all of OSS is like this though, no avoiding it

[18:43:20]

sphery:

iamlindoro: That's not what got you started with FOSS? I'm just in it for the naked pagan rituals. The software is inconsequential.

[18:43:28]

** kormoc dances in the moonlight **

[18:43:36]

iamlindoro:

At risk of being inflammatory, Ecks Bee Emmcee has an army of devs with a fairly low barrier to entry, and it seems to work well

[18:43:46]

sphery:

(after all, some of us only have OTA TV, so we don't get all those risque channels)

[18:44:15]

iamlindoro:

It's fairly easy IMHO to determine if someone is trustworthy enough to only commit what they know works well

[18:44:17]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I think you mean KOZP

[18:44:37]

juski:

I think you mean ****

[18:45:00]

sphery:

I have written many patches that I was positive worked well, then users used them on their broken systems...

[18:45:04]

iamlindoro:

And speaking only for myself, I would have gotten 5x as much as I have done this release if I didn't keep saying "Man, if only 'x' was committed, I am totally ready to do 'y'"

[18:45:32]

juski:

I got em & I didn't really want em

[18:46:25]

iamlindoro:

There are multiple myth committers who ONLY show up when someone's commit pisses them off

[18:46:25]

kormoc:

for $patch in /var/lib/trac/attachments/*.patch; do patch -p0 < $patch; if [ $? -eq 0 ]; then svn ci -m '$patch commited'; else svn revert -R *; fi; done;

[18:47:06]

iamlindoro:

Versus at least a dozen or so people whose patches get committed with no or little change, but who wait 6–12 months to see them committed

[18:47:11]

iamlindoro:

IMHO that's very broken

[18:47:48]

iamlindoro:

And lest it be miscontrued, please bear in mind that I love using myth, I would just really like to know what we could do between releases if everyone who could be trusted was trusted

[18:48:18]

iamlindoro:

instead of the standard of admission being some arbitrary nonsense with a single veto-chokepoint

[18:49:13]

juski:

well, there's one way around that & it's not easy

[18:49:32]

iamlindoro:

indeed

[18:49:41]

kormoc:

Get Che Guevara?

[18:50:09]

orogor:

well usually it something like somone adds a new feature and is around the project since sometime, then he gets write access for the new feature he added

[18:50:15]

iamlindoro:

he's smelly and lighter than he used to be

[18:50:35]

iamlindoro:

orogor: What you descibe is never EVER the case with Myth

[18:50:58]

iamlindoro:

We're all well aware of how it *should* work

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orogor:

because if you dotn do that you ask for somone who dont know how that new feature works to be reponsible for it , if he has a trust issue ort dont wanna check he will never commit anything

[18:51:51]

** kormoc blinks **

[18:52:07]

orogor:

plsu as the project gets larger that s more and more stuff to manage at the end it snot possible

[18:52:23]

kormoc:

snot is possible, it's in my nose right now

[18:52:26]

j-rod:

he said snot

[18:52:43]

orogor:

yhea rhum helps a bit on that

[18:52:47]

orogor:

it rhum time

[18:53:16]

orogor:

hahaha the new mc donald ads is awesome

[18:53:35]

orogor:

the kind of stuff you wouldn t get anywhere else

[18:53:35]

iamlindoro:

It's not as though I turned up last week and am asking why I don't have commit access to fix a capitalization issue ;)

[18:54:01]

hendrix04:

hey can i have commit access to fix a capitalization issue?

[18:54:17]

iamlindoro:

Sure, I hear anyone can have it here

[18:54:18]

wagnerrp:

i want to help remove whitespace!

[18:54:24]

j-rod:

commit access is for suckers

[18:54:51]

hendrix04:

wagnerrp: yeah, put the entire source on one line!!

[18:55:07]

j-rod:

I want to reformat all the code to follow linus' kernel coding standards

[18:55:17]

sphery:

commit access just means that you're all of a sudden responsible for dealing with other people's patches and no longer get to spend your time writing new features/patches in which you have an interest

[18:55:18]

j-rod:

(which, actually, I rather like...)

[18:55:45]

iamlindoro:

sphery: However, if you have adequate numbers, you'r not responsible for 6000 tickets

[18:55:52]

j-rod:

sphery: not if you simply go in a hole and ignore everyone for ~2 years, only showing up to fix gcc compile issues. :)

[18:56:03]

sphery:

ok, there's that

[18:56:49]

j-rod:

I plan to pick up ticket 5745 and see what I can do to make it happy and committable...

[18:57:00]

j-rod:

typical selfish motivations apply

[18:57:09]

sphery:

Basically, though, I see benefits both ways. I'd be willing to spend some of my time on stuff I don't care about, if I were given the responsibility, but I don't mind not having it.

[18:57:18]

sphery:

I guess I just have a fear of svn ci

[18:57:45]

sphery:

(that would be "a fear of svn commit")

[18:57:52]

kormoc:

when you do a few hundred commits, meh, old hat ;)

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juski:

anyway, xbmc might have a low bar for entry, but it still sucks arse on my laptop

[18:58:39]

juski:

pity I don't have a 5GHz quad core machine with 20GB RAM eh

[18:58:44]

kormoc:

juski, and here I thought that was a feature? ;)

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iamlindoro:

juski: So in your opinion Myth's current dev admission rate is acceptable?

[18:59:02]

juski:

I'm not saying that

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sphery:

though I wonder if you could really say that abandoning your morals is a low barrier to entry...

[18:59:31]

sphery:

just joking... not everyone in xbmc is a blatant thief/pirate--and it may just be some users

[18:59:36]

juski:

iamlindoro: the guy wearing the hat makes the decisions. if enough people decide they don't like it...

[19:00:28]

juski:

or otherwise myth loses more contributors & eventually dies on its arse. Either way it'll be sad but will anybody really care much?

[19:01:06]

iamlindoro:

juski: If I thought that I/Anyone could bring the majority of the mindshare along, I'd be all for a new name

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sphery:

GoldTV? Or OroTV?

[19:02:05]

iamlindoro:

But that would have to mean a clearly delineated admission process for devs and no single power-point

[19:02:06]

orogor:

oroTV

[19:02:13]

orogor:

orogoTV

[19:02:18]

juski:

500 lines?

[19:02:27]

sphery:

Or isn't there already one out there, something like j y a tv

[19:02:48]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I hear Lance Davis is looking for new projects...

[19:03:04]

iamlindoro:

I'll feel dirty for saying it, but that fork has gotten more new feature patches committed than myth since it started

[19:03:20]

iamlindoro:

And please do bear in mind that I disagree with him entirely about the way he did it

[19:03:27]

sphery:

someone give iamlindoro some Eclipse gum, quick!

[19:03:31]

orogor:

whgich fork ?

[19:03:47]

wagnerrp:

the vdpau backport

[19:04:28]

juski:

OSS politics. gotta love em

[19:05:11]

orogor:

have fun with the licensing

[19:05:19]

kormoc:

Licensing?

[19:05:20]

** kormoc blinks **

[19:05:27]

** kormoc wonders if orogor understands OSS **

[19:05:43]

** juski changes one line & calls it "juskiTV" **

[19:05:47]

orogor:

kormoc, there are often clear licensibng issues with oss

[19:05:48]

sphery:

kormoc: I'll bet /he/ would be willing to port MythWeb to Python!

[19:06:05]

juski:

orogor: not if the project is GPL

[19:06:08]

kormoc:

sphery, heh

[19:06:38]

juski:

GPL means anybody can come along & do anything they want so long as the new code is also GPL'd

[19:07:36]

sphery:

which is why MS had to release 20K lines of code for their Linux-running-under-a-VM drivers after they were called on the license violation :)

[19:07:43]

orogor:

then what if you GPL code want to build stuff on top of some closed source technology ?

[19:07:51]

juski:

you can

[19:07:56]

sphery:

of course, their spin department said that was always their intention, but they were just finishing them up first

[19:07:58]

juski:

hence VDPAU

[19:08:17]

juski:

code that makes use of an API needn't violate any licence

[19:08:18]

GreyFoxx:

oops that reminds me. I gotta commit 6712

[19:08:46]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: :)

[19:08:55]

GreyFoxx:

I had forgotten about it

[19:09:03]

GreyFoxx:

It's sitting on my msater backend where I rarely touch the code :)

[19:09:05]

orogor:

yhea but you can only make the call using a module or some weirdo stuff like that

[19:09:15]

GreyFoxx:

normally my slave be and main FE get the mods :)

[19:09:18]

juski:

think my -dev list post can be assumed to have sunk without trace now. who'd have thought. Asking for help developing. PFFT

[19:09:20]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Understandable, my code can't be trusted ;)

[19:09:39]

GreyFoxx:

No, I just don't like to restart processes on that box :)

[19:09:41]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Otherwise... well, never mind that :)

[19:09:48]

juski:

orogor: for something like mythtv it doesn't matter

[19:09:52]

kormoc:

orogor, http://www.fsf.org/licensing/licenses/gpl-faq.html

[19:09:53]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Heh, not blaming you, just joking re: the previous conversation

[19:10:02]

anykey_:

juski: lets hope I'll succeed ;)

[19:10:12]

kormoc:

orogor, go over all that and you might understand a bit more

[19:10:13]

GreyFoxx:

the amount of devs/how long patches take to ge tin stuff ?

[19:10:19]

GreyFoxx:

no worries, I have a think skin

[19:10:23]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: yes

[19:10:24]

GreyFoxx:

thick even

[19:10:45]

GreyFoxx:

I've been IRCing for 18 years so I don't take stuff too personaly :)

[19:11:17]

kormoc:

GreyFoxx, when you're Canadian, you have to get used to the abuse ;)

[19:11:19]

sphery:

juski: I actually read it and started to look at it and found out it's way beyond me... Would require learning a /lot/ of mythui I don't currently know.

[19:11:37]

juski:

sphery: well, thanks for saying you at least looked :)

[19:11:49]

** j-rod tries to think what he was doing 18 years ago... **

[19:11:52]

sphery:

yeah, not much help...

[19:12:14]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: does that mean you should change your nick to OldGreyFoxx ?

[19:12:14]

juski:

I'll stick to lower hanging fruit

[19:12:29]

sphery:

The OldGreyFoxx, he ain't what he used to be...

[19:12:55]

iamlindoro:

The OldGreyFoxx jumped over the lazy dog

[19:13:26]

j-rod:

lazy BROWN dog, dammit

[19:13:35]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: I've been GreyFoxx for far too long to change now :)

[19:13:41]

juski:

damnit CHLOE

[19:13:45]

sphery:

heh

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kormoc:

sphery, he just gets Greyier as times goes on

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j-rod:

wasn't that a character in metal gear solid too?

[19:14:23]

sphery:

oh, and btw, please don't take the old comment personally, either--I'm not even sure you're older than I

[19:14:36]

GreyFoxx:

kormoc: Nah, the hairline just retreats from the face more and more :)

[19:14:41]

GreyFoxx:

so far no Grey ;)

[19:15:05]

wagnerrp:

bah, my uncle has had a retreating hairline since he was a teenager

[19:15:09]

sphery:

Thanks to my HeadBlade, I can say I've never seen a gray hair on my head.

[19:15:28]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: Just turned 35 a couple weeks ago :)

[19:15:30]

iamlindoro:

sphery is hardcore

[19:15:40]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: yeah, you're a young 'un

[19:15:46]

iamlindoro:

Bet he's built like a Drill Instructor

[19:15:48]

iamlindoro:

;)

[19:15:48]

GreyFoxx:

<<-- plans to be a dirty old man one day

[19:15:52]

sphery:

I'm 36 going on 37

[19:15:57]

GreyFoxx:

pinching the nurses bums in the old folks home

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iamlindoro:

There's a Rodgers and Hammerstein Musical in there somewhere

[19:16:03]

sphery:

iamlindoro: definitely not

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** iamlindoro used to be built like a DI until all this cardio started **

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: I use to Kayak 5 days a week, I was a solid mofo

[19:16:44]

GreyFoxx:

then I had a kid

[19:16:57]

GreyFoxx:

an all free time evaporated

[19:17:04]

iamlindoro:

heh

[19:17:06]

sphery:

they actually have liquid water in Canada?

[19:17:07]

j-rod:

GreyFoxx: ok, now triple that...

[19:17:07]

iamlindoro:

understandable

[19:17:27]

** j-rod is a ripe old 31, but has 3 kids now **

[19:17:32]

GreyFoxx:

But now that she is 5 and starts school in a few weeks it's time for me to get out of the house more

[19:17:48]

sphery:

j-rod: I thought you were kayaking 15 days a week... 3 kids makes more sense

[19:17:55]

j-rod:

hahaha

[19:18:11]

j-rod:

yeah, 3 kids, almost 7, almost 4 and almost 1

[19:18:32]

GreyFoxx:

1 is enough for me :)

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laga_:

0 is ok for me now

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laga_:

what with not making any money etc ;)

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hendrix04:

im ok with 0 kids atm ;)

[19:19:11]

GreyFoxx:

0 would have been fine with me. I never wanted kids

[19:19:18]

GreyFoxx:

but I can't imagine my live without her :)

[19:19:26]

GreyFoxx:

She's the best accident of my life :)

[19:19:32]

iamlindoro:

awww

[19:19:40]

** j-rod keeps in shape by playing soccer 2–3 times a week. and by chasing kids evenings and weekends. **

[19:19:46]

hendrix04:

seems like a drain on the wallet to me ;)

[19:20:02]

GreyFoxx:

kids are not that expensive. Don't believe the hype

[19:20:09]

GreyFoxx:

well not when they are this young

[19:20:17]

j-rod:

yeah, just wait. :)

[19:20:26]

j-rod:

my son's playing in-house hockey this fall

[19:20:34]

j-rod:

equipment ain't cheap. neither are the rink fees.

[19:21:00]

GreyFoxx:

I think my daughter wants to play hockey. After swimming she always want sto go watch the guys practive next door

[19:21:22]

hendrix04:

or maybe she is into guys at an early age...

[19:21:29]

GreyFoxx:

she is

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hendrix04:

need to watch that

[19:21:44]

GreyFoxx:

she's told me there is a boyat her daycare she keeps trying to kiss and is gonna marry

[19:21:45]

GreyFoxx:

hehe

[19:22:03]

GreyFoxx:

and he wants none of it and runs away :)

[19:22:07]

hendrix04:

time for the shotgun

[19:22:08]

Shadow__X:

GreyFoxx: get ready

[19:22:09]

GreyFoxx:

I think it's cute

[19:22:25]

Shadow__X:

its cute now

[19:22:27]

GreyFoxx:

But I pity the fool who comes a courting at the Foxx household

[19:22:58]

iamlindoro:

chickCHICK

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Shadow__X:

you also dont want to push her away if you are to stern

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Shadow__X:

that means little if she is escaping out of her window

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dean:

Hello

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** j-rod always seeks parenting advice on irc... ;) **

[19:23:34]

GreyFoxx:

I don't seek it

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GreyFoxx:

but people always offer it heh

[19:23:41]

GreyFoxx:

just like names

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, that's why you install iron bars

[19:23:49]

dean:

I was wondering about support for huppauge WinTV-HVR 1850?

[19:23:51]

GreyFoxx:

"Have you picked a name? No? Then how about XYZ" :)

[19:23:55]

j-rod:

yeah, no, I don't either

[19:23:57]

Shadow__X:

pick whatever name you want

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kormoc:

dean, linuxtv.org

[19:24:06]

dean:

ok will check

[19:24:10]

wagnerrp:

kormoc: beat me to the draw

[19:24:13]

dean:

google is not finding much

[19:24:14]

hendrix04:

XYZ would be a crappy name

[19:24:19]

GreyFoxx:

I told people for 6 months I was gonna name her Xena

[19:24:26]

kormoc:

hendrix04, it's Gen Z hip

[19:24:27]

Shadow__X:

i am just saying small things turn into big problems later

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wagnerrp:

you would have to teach her martial arts

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, well, if the iron bars don't stop her, the mote full of gators will

[19:24:54]

wagnerrp:

and become royalty

[19:24:58]

Shadow__X:

kormoc: :)

[19:25:02]

GreyFoxx:

I intend of taking my Daughter to KungFu. She's expressed a lot of interest in it :)

[19:25:10]

j-rod:

kormoc: no, no. sharks with friggin' lasers.

[19:25:13]

GreyFoxx:

and I'd like to get back into it

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kormoc:

GreyFoxx, so I have a friend who decided that 'She was the one' when she broke his leg at their Karate school

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GreyFoxx:

hehehe

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GreyFoxx:

She is interested in it, and I think she should have practical knowledge on defending herself, so I'll sign her up soon. That should be fun to watch :)

[19:27:42]

dean:

Cant seem to find anything on it at linuxtv.org

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kormoc:

dean, then it's unlikely to work, as they provide the drivers we use

[19:28:03]

GreyFoxx:

heck I started her swimming at 5 months because I wanted her to always be comfy in the water, now she's practicaly a fish compared to the other kids in her swim class

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dean:

according to lspci it has a modual attached

[19:28:25]

GreyFoxx:

of course it could me she's kick my ass and take the car keys/my wallet... hmmm

[19:28:35]

hendrix04:

my niece at 20 months is scared of pools

[19:28:56]

GreyFoxx:

:( that's too bad

[19:28:59]

dean:

or do you suppose thats a bug?

[19:29:13]

hendrix04:

last summer she loved it, this summer she hates it. dunno what her deal is

[19:29:21]

GreyFoxx:

I see some kids coming into her class who are 4/5 and have never been swimming before. Shocks me

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kormoc:

hendrix04, water in the lungs tend to lead that way

[19:29:36]

GreyFoxx:

hendrix04: probably a face or lung ful of water

[19:29:38]

dean:

it using the cx23885 modual

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GreyFoxx:

and people paniced aorund her when it happened

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iamlindoro:

dean: What people are trying to tell you is that myth provides no support or cards themselves-- get your card working outside of myth (testing in mplayer, etc.) *then* ask us

[19:30:05]

iamlindoro:

er support for

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dean:

ah

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GreyFoxx:

worst thing you cna do with a little one is "panic" when something happens... makes it much worse in their eyes as they take their cues from you

[19:30:15]

dean:

im sorry

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dean:

thanks anyway

[19:30:41]

hendrix04:

yeah, when she was learning to walk and she would fall we would say "WEEE"

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kormoc:

"Oh, she has a arrow in her head, no worries!"

[19:30:47]

GreyFoxx:

I suppose I should get back to actual work now

[19:30:50]

GreyFoxx:

heheh

[19:30:52]

hendrix04:

now if she falls, even if she really is hurt she will be crying saying wee

[19:31:14]

Dagmar:

You didn't say "OMG we will sue the floor manufacturer!"?

[19:31:15]

kormoc:

hendrix04, and you don't think this will lead to interesting life choices down the line?

[19:31:23]

GreyFoxx:

some parents go all "the sky is falling" over a splinter

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j-rod:

GreyFoxx: we started my son swimming at about the same age, he's a fish too. ALWAYS loves the water though (and we have a pool)

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jams:

GreyFoxx- that would be my sister

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j-rod:

wish we'd done the same with the girls

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Shadow__X:

it appears as if i am not the only one who has advice

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Shadow__X:

:)

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hendrix04:

kormoc: define interesting life choices

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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kormoc:

hendrix04, the ones where pain and pleasure mix? :P

[19:32:13]

iamlindoro:

wanting her boyfriend Tiny to spank her

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iamlindoro:

wheeee!

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hendrix04:

you guys are horrible

[19:32:28]

hendrix04:

lol

[19:32:30]

j-rod:

work. hm. yeah.

[19:32:44]

laga_:

nothing wrong with that

[19:32:52]

kormoc:

hendrix04, we try, you should fill out a horrible rating card for us at root.ofallevil.org

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iamlindoro:

laga_: Only when it's one's own daughter

[19:33:26]

laga_:

iamlindoro: prolly

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kormoc:

Huh, allevil.org is pointed at google

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mkrufky:

my proxy doesnt allow allevil.org

[19:36:05]

mkrufky:

it says no DNS records

[19:36:11]

kormoc:

huh, weird

[19:36:14]

** GreyFoxx wants another mythgame scan before commiting **

[19:36:21]

GreyFoxx:

I should look for a faster CRC routine

[19:36:58]

GreyFoxx:

and update the romdb data unless we switch to some other source

[19:37:10]

** iamlindoro wants someone to write a mobygames grabber to convince him to get MythGame metadata download going **

[19:37:21]

GreyFoxx:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I have been giving more thought to the generalized backend metadata download thing, though

[19:41:28]

iamlindoro:

Was thinking it would be passed a QString SettingName (for the command), QStringlist of args, an output filename, and a storage group, and that ought to work nicely

[19:42:07]

iamlindoro:

If #6346 *does* go in today, I might start tinkering for .23

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GreyFoxx:

I'm tempted to wipe my video metadata table and my co vers and run one of the tmdb importers from scratch

[19:50:47]

GreyFoxx:

some of my movies have the cramppy quality imdb image they were handing out for a while

[19:50:59]

GreyFoxx:

if 6346 goes in I might check Jamu

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iamlindoro:

#6346 also includes a keybinding for metadata download, it speeds up doing it in the UI infinitely

[19:52:09]

iamlindoro:

Well... maybe not *inifintely*, but a lot :)

[19:53:40]

iamlindoro:

Still, Jamu is faster for a large library, and includes some very sexy stuff to also get coverart/fanart for your recordings if you use Graphite

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iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HDMythTVBudget

[19:55:21]

iamlindoro:

Looks like user page stuff..

[19:56:51]

j-rod:

iamlindoro: hey, so I *finally* got around to actually running graphite last night on my shiny new ion

[19:57:13]

iamlindoro:

j-rod: Cool, hopefully a newish version

[19:57:14]

j-rod:

*I* liked it, but my wife said "that's obnoxious, change it back"

[19:57:17]

iamlindoro:

haha

[19:57:18]

iamlindoro:

ok

[19:57:26]

iamlindoro:

Well the only other real option is Terra

[19:57:52]

gbee:

don't tell me what she thinks of Terra ;)

[19:57:54]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, Graphite relies on some work by the user to get all the fanart/coverart/etc. in there to really shine (or for one to use Jamu)

[19:57:58]

xris:

I found the recording list page to be a bit cramped in graphite

[19:57:58]

j-rod:

was I think a 7/26-ish snap

[19:58:13]

xris:

I like to find things by name and episode, not screenshot.

[19:58:29]

iamlindoro:

xris: Newest version of graphite overlays the show name on the screenshot

[19:58:32]

j-rod:

yeah, it was the multitude of snaps that annoyed her, I think

[19:58:48]

xris:

iamlindoro: cool. the snapshot I had only had like 6 characters of the show name (and not the episode)

[19:59:08]

iamlindoro:

Heh, you should get more than 6 characters, but not the subtitle

[19:59:15]

iamlindoro:

though I have given some thought on how to do subtitle

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xris:

yeah, it's useless to me without the subtitle

[19:59:41]

iamlindoro:

Heh, "useless"

[19:59:42]

iamlindoro:

nice

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xris:

well, in a list of shows with the same title, it means I have to scroll through all of them to find the episode I want to watch

[20:00:26]

xris:

I'd rather have the episode name than the show name in the overlay

[20:00:41]

xris:

show name is in the "title bar"

[20:00:49]

iamlindoro:

sort of

[20:00:56]

iamlindoro:

unless you're like me and only watch from "all recordings"

[20:01:28]

xris:

I do both

[20:01:54]

GreyFoxx:

I love having screenshots in my MythVideo stuff. usually just the one shot reminds me of the show far more than the name

[20:01:56]

GreyFoxx:

http://phaze.org/mythtv/sliders.png

[20:02:55]

xris:

yeah, I'm on the latest graphite

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/graphite.080409.tar.gz

[20:03:46]

iamlindoro:

Try that

[20:04:04]

iamlindoro:

Untested, but may be what you want and it's what I had in mind-- though I don't have any idea what it looks like yet ;)

[20:04:08]

** xris curses comcast for not adding the channels that TMS says they have (even show up in the channel list under "my comcast account") **

[20:04:14]

iamlindoro:

will tweak more tonight

[20:04:32]

xris:

iamlindoro: will ping you tonight. nothing I can do from work. :)

[20:04:53]

GreyFoxx:

My wife and I both really miss that demo watch recordings screen gbee had done up when he was porting the screen

[20:05:06]

GreyFoxx:

but I was too lazy to keep it functional :)

[20:05:33]

iamlindoro:

I really miss the video preview

[20:05:49]

iamlindoro:

I really wanted for the "selected" item in graphite's screenshot buttonlist to be the video preview

[20:05:58]

GreyFoxx:

http://phaze.org/mythtv/pics/watchrecordings-missingtime.jpg I just like the layout of that

[20:05:59]

iamlindoro:

so that when you selet an item, it "comes to life"

[20:06:09]

GreyFoxx:

I should look it over and see if I can bring it back to life

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: thank you for the commit

[20:10:01]

orogor:

i wouldn t try the tab thing , but preview is good

[20:10:44]

orogor:

in the same thing , current video preview is starting at record time without taking cutting out stuff into account

[20:11:07]

GreyFoxx:

videopreview is totally disabling in trunk I think

[20:11:12]

GreyFoxx:

disabled

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iamlindoro:

yes

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gbee:

intention was to bring it back as a proper mythui widget, but I don't have the time to do that along with all the rest of the work I need to do for 0.22

[20:14:20]

iamlindoro:

gbee: I assume the old "hacked" imagetype version won't be going back either for .22?

[20:14:25]

gbee:

it should be possible to restore it using the old method, although it wouldn't be much more work to do the mythui widget

[20:14:57]

gbee:

iamlindoro: ask Chutt, I was hoping that someone else might find time, but ...

[20:15:14]

iamlindoro:

hrm

[20:15:32]

GreyFoxx:

which do you mean? imagetype version ?

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gbee:

genuinely wish I could work fulltime on this stuff and get it done properly

[20:16:00]

GreyFoxx:

Dude, when I win the lottoe tomorrow night, I'll hire you to work on it :)

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gbee:

GreyFoxx: old version just worked by grabbing a frame of video at a time and rendering it like any other image (unaccelerated in other words)

[20:16:29]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: The old version was an image widget that was hacked to update, versus being a proper video playback widget

[20:16:36]

GreyFoxx:

ahhhhh

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iamlindoro:

That said, we're still using the hacked stuff in the programguide

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gbee:

new version was just going to be proper rendered video, a widget wrapped around existing player context stuff which just assigned things like size/position and later effects such as cropping

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orogor:

Cowboy bebop !!

[20:17:46]

orogor:

that rocks

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** iamlindoro wonders if orogor is high/drunk/both **

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orogor:

only drinking

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orogor:

still looking for hash ,there must be some somewhere

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orogor:

didnt you liked cowboy bebop?

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juski:

do you work in a frickin call centre or something?

[20:19:38]

orogor:

more like a server admin

[20:19:58]

juski:

must cause some damage, all that mistyping

[20:20:12]

orogor:

i dont drink at the office

[20:20:19]

orogor:

anbd my keyboard is better

[20:20:23]

juski:

fewab\oigba\ki,A

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gbee:

this taglib stuff is taking forever, under normal circumstances it might be an evenings work, but I can't focus :/

[20:21:25]

orogor:

45windows servers,5 linux servers, 4hp-ux server

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laga_:

gbee: then take a break :)

[20:21:50]

juski:

hallos, yous are through to da virgeen meeeja call center. how may I be helping you become frustrating today?

[20:22:11]

orogor:

1500 users, 400 workstations ,100 thin clients, 30 swith stacks , 2 passports

[20:22:22]

juski:

put it away

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laga_:

a very big e-penis

[20:22:56]

orogor:

well just to say it s different than customer phone support

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juski:

I have only one client this week but he's very important

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juski:

ME

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juski:

anyway who calls cannibis 'hash' in this day & age daddy-o

[20:23:46]

Dagmar:

The utterly ignorant

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orogor:

well in france we make difference between hash and weed

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juski:

btw is that why you lot call # 'pound' ?

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hendrix04:

define you lot

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orogor:

whom ?

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iamlindoro:

us

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iamlindoro:

duh

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orogor:

# is sharp no ?

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iamlindoro:

only to musicians

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hendrix04:

depends on context

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iamlindoro:

And microsoft adherents

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hendrix04:

if i am reading music or looking at c# i call it sharp, if working with phones (which i do all day) i call it pound

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hendrix04:

me being from the US

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gbee:

£ < pound ;)

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kormoc:

UKers, so are crumpets really that awesome? (just had some for lunch, and they were banging)

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juski:

kormoc: generally yes

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orogor:

is cownboy bebop japanese or american? japanese no ?

[20:28:29]

** kormoc can no longer talk ill of English cooking **

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kormoc:

orogor, Yes, Japanese

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gbee:

thanks for the reminder, I have some crumpets and was just starting to feel peckish

[20:29:48]

juski:

kormoc: I think we have London eateries to blame for our bad food reputation

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hendrix04:

The word crumpet in British English is also a term for a woman regarded as an object of desire.

[20:30:24]

hendrix04:

FTW

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juski:

hendrix04: in the 1970s

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Shadow__X:

dell just tried to tell me i void my warranty if i put my own os on it

[20:30:40]

Shadow__X:

heh no

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hendrix04:

juski: not according to wikipedia which is always right

[20:31:01]

Shadow__X:

also they cant refund me for the ms license

[20:31:03]

kormoc:

hendrix04, check in a few minutes

[20:31:04]

Shadow__X:

wrong again

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juski:

hendrix04: I've never met a living person who used the term to refer to a woman

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StupidAmerican:

ask them to send you a dellbuntu recovery disk, Shadow__X

[20:31:45]

juski:

hendrix04: but I've seen 'Carry On' films & others from the 1960s/70s :)

[20:31:54]

Shadow__X:

StupidAmerican: yeah right heh i think i am going to say send me that and money for ms

[20:32:08]

StupidAmerican:

they're not gonna refund the MS license

[20:32:14]

juski:

oh wait, they still show Benny Hill everywhere else in the world innit

[20:32:22]

iamlindoro:

StupidAmerican: They don't have a choice

[20:32:23]

juski:

god help us all

[20:32:26]

StupidAmerican:

but ask for the dellbuntu recovery disk — thats how to install ubuntu without doing it yourself

[20:32:28]

Shadow__X:

StupidAmerican: oh yes they will

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kormoc:

juski, Evidently Frank Muir used the term in that way on October 5th, 2003

[20:32:32]

iamlindoro:

StupidAmerican: and fix your nick ;)

[20:32:35]

Shadow__X:

lawsuit saqys so

[20:32:42]

Shadow__X:

they are legally obligated

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StupidAmerican:

i change my nick on purpose — im making a point

[20:32:49]

juski:

kormoc: Frank Muir couldn't even say the word crumpet. KWUMPET

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** kormoc hangs his head in shame **

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Dagmar:

We can see the point. How you get hats that fit on that I have no idea.

[20:33:40]

juski:

erm.. was Mr Muir even alive in 2003 still? thought he died long, long ago

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kormoc:

hrm

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kormoc:

wikipedia misleads again...

[20:34:32]

juski:

heheh

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juski:

wikipedia reckon he died in 1998

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kormoc:

the reference to his using crumpet was attributed as 2003

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** kormoc shrugs **

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juski:

apparently he coined the phrase "thinking man's crumpet" referring to Joan Bakewell in the 1960s

[20:35:59]

juski:

maybe she was hot then. heh

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juski:

dunno if there's any other way of saying 'thinking man's crumpet' these days. Interesting

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juski:

speaking of which... it must soon be time to watch Chuck

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kormoc:

juski, you can revive the saying

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juski:

kormoc: there are few thinking men left in this country

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juski:

we'll shag anything

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orogor:

chuck .... norris?

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juski:

no, http://nbc.com/Chuck

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juski:

very silly show, but I really like it

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hendrix04:

Most people in the US will "shag" anything too, but we get looked down upon for it...

[20:42:31]

hendrix04:

chuck is an awesome show

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kormoc:

hendrix04, only women

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juski:

it's silly, but in a good way, unlike '24' which is ridiculously silly

[20:43:27]

juski:

I wonder if I can catch the earlier series & maybe the pilot somehow

[20:43:44]

iamlindoro:

Yvonne StraFDgdkjslkgslhkgdgfski is sooooo hot

[20:43:49]

hendrix04:

sure but it isnt exactly legal

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sphery:

Stra*hot*ski

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orogor:

haa i dontt hink the show is named the same in french

[20:44:30]

orogor:

must be the spy who somthing

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orogor:

Yewww cowboy bebop again

[20:44:50]

** kormoc blinks **

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iamlindoro:

You know we don't need to hear about everything you see on your TV, orogor

[20:45:00]

orogor:

but it get mythbackend to crash when recording irt

[20:45:02]

kormoc:

orogor, what are you on? and why aren't you sharing?

[20:45:09]

sphery:

(It's actually Strahovski, but easier to remember if you replace the v with a t)

[20:45:32]

orogor:

kormoc, rhum menth orange juice, sirup

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orogor:

and lemmon

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orogor:

actually a mojito but i had no more bubbly water so i replaced it with orange juice

[20:46:14]

kormoc:

I'm assuming that's rum, meth, orange juice, syrup, and lemon

[20:46:19]

gbee:

guess the crumpets were older than I thought, they'd gone off :/

[20:46:20]

kormoc:

and the meth explains it all

[20:46:22]

iamlindoro:

heh,

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kormoc:

gbee, aww

[20:46:39]

** iamlindoro assumes kormoc knows that's Mint :) **

[20:46:47]

iamlindoro:

but Meth seems more apropo

[20:47:07]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, well, a Mojito certainly doesn't have lemon, it's lime :)

[20:47:13]

orogor:

maybe i am still hi since yesterday

[20:47:28]

orogor:

a fruiend shared with me and left me somebut i can t find it back

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iamlindoro:

orogor: I have no interest in hearing you talk about using drugs

[20:47:53]

iamlindoro:

please refrain

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hendrix04:

meth is mint? im confused, lol

[20:48:47]

** gbee watches Chuck **

[20:49:22]

iamlindoro:

menthe is Mint

[20:49:24]

iamlindoro:

meth is meth

[20:49:39]

sphery:

Nobody reads the links in the Delete all post that explain why to do it that way... Instead, they just complain that the 2-minute procedure will take them longer than whining on the list and then individually verifying each bit of configuration data in their DB.

[20:49:39]

hendrix04:

ah

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hendrix04:

lol

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kormoc:

hendrix04, it was mainly cause he added extra letters to everything else, so I just assumed he couldn't have typed that right ;)

[20:50:13]

iamlindoro:

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[20:50:15]

iamlindoro:

IT HAPPENED

[20:50:18]

** iamlindoro hugs Anduin **

[20:50:41]

** kormoc laughs **

[20:51:02]

** kormoc hands out cigars, cause iamlindoro's baby is here **

[20:51:17]

jduggan:

what happened?

[20:51:19]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: I made one indent change, didn't do a full review but it "looked" ok as I scrolled through it

[20:51:46]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, there's the second one too, that's ready to go, no?

[20:52:01]

iamlindoro:

The grabber? Yeah, that's got to go in too

[20:52:09]

gbee:

iamlindoro: congratulations

[20:52:17]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Thanks, and thanks to Anduin

[20:52:28]

laga_:

YAY

[20:52:34]

Anduin:

I'm working on the other one, will happen today as well

[20:52:39]

kormoc:

woo!

[20:52:45]

kormoc:

then I can get Jamu in too :)

[20:52:46]

gbee:

beers are on iamlindoro!

[20:53:03]

kormoc:

gbee, beers? How bout new cars?

[20:53:11]

Shadow__X:

iamlindoro: congrats

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gbee:

literally in my case

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kormoc:

With all that extra cash from the h20 incident... ;)

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gbee:

if iamlindoro is so overpaid that he can afford to buy us all cars from a week of overtime .... then sure, I'll take a car ;)

[20:55:59]

kormoc:

ooh, new license for us to use, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing/WTFPL

[20:56:55]

gbee:

!trout kormoc licenses

[20:56:55]

** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a licenses trout on behalf of gbee... **

[20:57:36]

** kormoc enjoys a baked licenses trout with some lemon and herb butter **

[20:57:39]

gbee:

oh that license, thought it was a new one

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kormoc:

All my contributions from this point on are under the "Don't bother me" license

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** gbee releases some code under the "Pay me a million dollars" license **

[21:02:16]

gbee:

hoping that someone uses the code without reading the license

[21:03:08]

** kormoc stops using mythui very rapidly **

[21:04:04]

gbee:

or to go another way, the $1 license and hope for a million users

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Cool, looks like I wasn't too far off. Thanks again for your patience at my pestering ;)

[21:06:00]

Anduin:

iamlindoro: Yeah, I just added spaces on three lines

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** kormoc is shocked at the horrible quality of the patch... **

[21:07:02]

gbee:

anyone else seeing very delayed mail from *mythtv.org? I've not yet got the commit emails

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: :P

[21:07:38]

iamlindoro:

gbee: I have had very very slow response from *mythtv today

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, I totally broke mine with the whitespace changes, haven't tracked down what yet...

[21:08:25]

** kormoc enjoys lines that have four characters per line... **

[21:08:44]

iamlindoro:

which lines?

[21:08:50]

iamlindoro:

On #6346??

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kormoc:

ooh, on my patch, ae

[21:10:03]

kormoc:

*aye

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Aside from line length issues and some indentation, it went in basically untouched, you should be safe to rm the conflicting files and svn up again

[21:10:40]

kormoc:

it's cause the path is so full it pushes the strings to start on column 76, and then they end on 80

[21:10:52]

kormoc:

heh, yeah, no worries :)

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, all I do is comment out some patches and bump the svn number and it'll build fine :)

[21:11:51]

iamlindoro:

don't get any of that gentoo on me

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** kormoc laughs **

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Shadow__X:

what are you guys thoughts of warehouse 13

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** kormoc likes it **

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tanderson:

Shadow__X: I like

[21:19:38]

Shadow__X:

i was able to just finish the pilot and am intrigued

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kormoc:

it gets better

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tanderson:

the pilot isn't as good as the following episodes are

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Shadow__X:

ok great i cant wait

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tanderson:

I think there's a new one on tonight

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Shadow__X:

yeah also reruns

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krisb:

erm

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krisb:

trying to set up spdif in myth

[21:32:07]

krisb:

2009-08–04 23:31:13.946 Opening audio device 'iec958'. ch 6(2) sr 48000

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krisb:

2009-08–04 23:31:13.946 Opening ALSA audio device 'ard'.

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krisb:

where does it get 'ard' from

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iamlindoro:

From the sound you make when you see that

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sphery:

or from your improper audio configuration

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krisb:

| AudioOutputDevice | ALSA:iec958 | laptop |

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** iamlindoro really likes the new angry mailing list Sphery **

[21:32:54]

krisb:

i'm pretty sure theres no 'ard' in there

[21:33:07]

iamlindoro:

the one who answers questions with "You're obviously an idiot, aren't you?"

[21:33:27]

sphery:

krisb: well, you know MySQL, but do you know the MythTV data?

[21:33:47]

sphery:

krisb: use the frontend to go in and configure and I'm sure you'll see the ard in there

[21:33:53]

krisb:

apparently not

[21:34:07]

sphery:

(not in the field whose data is put in AudioOutputDevice , but in a different field that's being used in this case...)

[21:34:12]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, linkie?

[21:34:30]

sphery:

kormoc: one too many users pushed back when I said Delete all

[21:34:34]

iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-August/261088.html

[21:34:53]

iamlindoro:

This is like a 70's clint eastwood movie

[21:34:55]

krisb:

under general setup?

[21:35:01]

iamlindoro:

"He was a good cop... until they CROSSED THE LINE"

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sphery:

krisb: look under /main/ General settings (not the one in TV Settings|General)

[21:36:00]

krisb:

so it's the "ard" from Standard then

[21:36:00]

kormoc:

sphery, good for you :)

[21:36:12]

sphery:

krisb: which field?

[21:36:24]

sphery:

what's it say on screen?

[21:36:34]

krisb:

the one below output device said Standard

[21:37:08]

sphery:

krisb: there's "Audio output device" and "Passthrough output device"

[21:37:14]

krisb:

so i'm guessing the parser for ALSA: just skips 5 characters

[21:37:17]

sphery:

my guess is you've got "Passthrough output device" set incorrectly

[21:37:19]

krisb:

yeah passthrough output

[21:37:36]

krisb:

was in local language so I wasn't sure how to translate it

[21:37:51]

sphery:

need to use ALSA:<alsa physical or logical device name>

[21:38:01]

sphery:

then, if necessary, additional parameters after a colon

[21:38:24]

krisb:

yeah works when i changed the passthrough to an option already in the list

[21:38:41]

krisb:

atleast I have audio and the receiver says DTS so I assume it worked anyway

[21:38:43]

sphery:

krisb: sorry for giving you a hard time about direct DB configuration, but as you probably figured out from the discussion, someone on the list already pushed me over the edge :)

[21:38:52]

krisb:

hehe

[21:38:57]

krisb:

well i tried from the frontend first

[21:39:04]

krisb:

10 times with different settings

[21:39:10]

sphery:

But, really, that's why we don't recommend it--there are a lot of settings and how they're used is not at all obvious unless you know Myth's internal code well

[21:39:19]

krisb:

but i completly missed the passthrough option

[21:39:47]

sphery:

well, that's the problem--the channel you're trying to watch has AC-3 or DTS and you have passthrough enabled

[21:39:56]

sphery:

either fix the device or disable passthrough

[21:40:07]

krisb:

so I figured maybe there was a bug in the SVN that wrote some weird stuff to the database (I guessed the 'ard' was from 'card')

[21:40:14]

krisb:

so I went there and just checked it

[21:40:27]

krisb:

nah it's a movie so it's supposed to have DTS :)

[21:41:32]

krisb:

thanks ;) I will pay more attention to _all_ the settings next time

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krisb:

but really, how was I to guess 'ard' was from [Stand]ard where the parser just dropped the five first characters to get rid of [ALSA:] ? :P

[21:42:57]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I pride myself on having a pretty good working knowledge of the MythTV data and data integrity requirements, but yet /I/ use the Delete all approach to fix issues like that because it's faster than finding the one bad value. Only time I've ever heard of Delete all being bad was when someone forgot to get the ID's for HDHR's before doing it and not being local at the time... ;)

[21:43:14]

Dagmar:

looool

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iamlindoro:

What an a-hole that guy must have been ;)

[21:43:40]

iamlindoro:

sphery: If he was very smart, though, he probably figured out that you can use FFFFFFFF if there's only one on the system ;)

[21:43:44]

sphery:

krisb: yeah, you probably wouldn't have known that, so asking isn't a bad thing--I just objected to the thought of direct DB editing for configuration

[21:43:59]

sphery:

iamlindoro: wow, he'd have to be smarter than I

[21:44:14]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Or literate enough to see it in the help text ;)

[21:44:20]

krisb:

np, I didn't actually edit the db anyway :p (well not untill after trying 10 times in the frontend first)

[21:44:29]

sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, then I /might/ have figured that out :)

[21:44:45]

sphery:

krisb: yeah, just caught me in a wound-up moment :)

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orogor:

saturday-sunday, it s going to be christmas at the office :)

[21:46:30]

krisb:

;)

[21:46:31]

sphery:

lots of new toys arriving for your Myth setup?

[21:46:41]

orogor:

wake up at 4am, then we open all the nice presents from UPS (didn t opened them until the contractor was here)

[21:46:51]

krisb:

I didn't get my new receiver today afterall :/

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krisb:

so no HDMI output yet

[21:47:19]

sphery:

I get another refurbished XBox 360 tomorrow (in exchange for my RRoD'ed one), so tomorrow is my Christmas :)

[21:47:27]

orogor:

then we put our fridge cloths to go to the server room and unpack all the stuff

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krisb:

though I probably won't get it to work on the laptop anyway, so I'm not far from buying a dedicated frontend

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orogor:

10 TB and 16 brand new cores

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sphery:

dedicated frontends are great

[21:48:57]

sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, "among other things"... It's like the Cliff's Notes version of #6346 .

[21:49:10]

krisb:

yeah, just doing the preliminary setup and all that on my laptop as its the most powerful computer I have

[21:49:22]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Extreme extreme Cliff's Notes :)

[21:49:28]

krisb:

ie. only one with HDMI output and VDPAU support, anyway

[21:49:37]

orogor:

:/

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sphery:

yeah--don't think I'd pass the test after reading that version

[21:50:25]

krisb:

but I'm not sure what to get as a frontend yet, as I'd like something quiet, yet powerful enough to do BruteFIR room correction on the audio

[21:50:39]

iamlindoro:

sphery: But for the benefit of you and others, note that now MythVideo CAN skip to a certain letter or title (Ctrl-S) or download metadata with a single keystroke (W)

[21:50:42]

krisb:

haven't gotten around to setting up filters and seeing how much power I need for 6 channel filtering yet though

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krisb:

but I'm expecting the Nvidia ION's to be on the slow side

[21:51:49]

sphery:

krisb: my favorite recommendation is to buy big/ugly/as loud as you need and put the box in a different room with cables run through/around walls

[21:52:06]

sphery:

Yeah, I'm guessing that any atom-based system wouldn't be up to that

[21:52:19]

krisb:

hopefully someone will write a CUDA based FIR filtering engine for linux :p

[21:52:31]

mchou:

sphery: bah. big is fine. Loud is not

[21:52:35]

sphery:

would you even be able to use that while doing VDPAU?

[21:52:38]

krisb:

I saw some experimental hobby project that did FIR filtering in CUDA on linux

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krisb:

I don't know, I suspect VDPAU and CUDA are incompatible

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sphery:

probably one at a time things...

[21:53:15]

krisb:

and there is no CUDA FIR engine for linux so that option is out for now anyway

[21:53:38]

krisb:

err, I meant on windows

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sphery:

mchou: mine is loud, but my refrigerator is more audible in my viewing room than my 2 backends and 1 frontend (which--like the fridge--are in other rooms)

[21:54:23]

mchou:

sphery: what's a fridge doing in/near your viewing room?

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sphery:

it's in the kitchen, but I hear it and don't hear my myth boxes

[21:55:14]

sphery:

i.e. myth boxes--though loud--don't make noise that propogates into the viewing room

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mchou:

sphery: you're clearly not a puriest if your viewing room is next to the kitchen :0

[21:56:49]

sphery:

my house is an open floor plan, so it's more like one big room with a half wall separating kitchen from all other rooms (besides bedrooms/baths)

[21:57:35]

sphery:

or, 80% wall? (8 feet high but under a 10-foot ceiling)

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krisb:

On CPU usage, 6x65536 taps at 48kHz should take less than 20% cpu on a 3GHz P4

[22:00:55]

krisb:

not too bad then

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krisb:

but I'd like enough headroom to bring the latency down or use longer filters if needed

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mchou:

besides tivo, are there any other commercial turnkey pvrs that allow ATSC recording (preferable w/o subscribing) to guide data, with a street price not exceeding $350?

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sphery:

Windows MCE is close. Pretty sure it allows ATSC recording without subscribing to guide data and you might be able to get it for $350 or less. Unfortunately, you can't really call it a turnkey PVR. (Take out the "n" in turnkey, though, and that probably describes it well.)

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mchou:

lol

[22:04:47]

mchou:

indeed

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mchou:

I'm trying to find a rec for some tech challenged friends

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sphery:

Though, really, for those requirements, a cable- or satellite-company PVR is probably the best choice--assuming the user has cable or satellilte service.

[22:05:30]

mchou:

sphery: they get uverse

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sphery:

doesn't at&t offer something?

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mchou:

sphery: which has it's own issues

[22:05:56]

sphery:

well, pretty sure they all have issues :)

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sphery:

some might even (wrongfully, I'm sure) claim that Myth has issues. :)

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mchou:

they arent subscribed to uverse HD

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mchou:

meaning they dont even get local stations in HD

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mchou:

plus uverse apparently cant handle more than 2 simul HD streams/residence/installation

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mchou:

which really surprised the heck out of me

[22:08:36]

mchou:

if that's true, that is

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mchou:

uverse stb is nicer than cable stb though

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mchou:

1000+ channels and still nothing to watch :(

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krisb:

argh, bedtime already

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krisb:

when am I ever going to get anything done when I have to sleep everytime I feel like I'm just getting started

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gbee:

when I was younger (6 months ago) staying up until the 3/4am working on myth was common

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** gbee notes the timestamp and guess that krisb has gone to bed already **

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gbee:

guesses

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mchou:

anyone tried this baby? http://www.tvix.co.kr/eng/products/PVRR-2230.aspx

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