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iamlindoro:

So, the Asrock 330 box is a nice little product

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iamlindoro:

Put myth on one today, really nice, quiet, quality build, HDMI audio setup was the easiest I have ever seen

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FR^2:

Hmmhmm.

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FR^2:

iamlindoro: How's the power consumption? What TV card do you use?

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iamlindoro:

FR^2, It should only be used as a frontend, and I suspect power consumption is like any other Atom/ION box

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FR^2:

ah

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FR^2:

okay.

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gbee:

</infomercial>

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Awww

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gbee:

heh, just kidding

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FR^2:

I'm still searching for some box with passive (or low-noise) cooling, that has hdmi output and a pci slot ;)

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iamlindoro:

This would not fit that description

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iamlindoro:

near silent and HDMI out, but designed to be a one-stop-solution, no expansion besides USB

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iamlindoro:

and I wouldn't put a backend on an Atom anyway

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FR^2:

hehe, okay, thanks for the comfirmation.

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gbee:

not if you plan on doing any transcoding/commflagging anyway

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FR^2:

There are boards with dual-core althons that don't consume too much power, but give enough calc power

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iamlindoro:

Anyhoo, I'll be working with a couple mroe tonight so if there are any specific requests for info or photos I can do

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FR^2:

At the moment I have a terratec cinergy pci DVB-C card in my desktop and an audio cable (digital coax) and an DVI-to-HDMI-cable from the second connector of my asus en9800gt

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FR^2:

Maybe I'll just stick to that solution, add a second graphics card so that I can use my desktop and the LCD TV independently, and maybe add a second soundcard to separate sound as well

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gbee:

iamlindoro: from photos I can't he thinking it could be prettier and lacks sd/USB on the front which would be a must for my frontend

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gbee:

nothing wrong with the spec or size though

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iamlindoro:

front USB is really my only complaint with it, but for most people I think it ticks a lot of boxes (personally I still prefer to use software decode)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/asrock330/

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iamlindoro:

A couple internals and some outside stuff, if anyone's interested

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FR^2:

thx

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iamlindoro:

np

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FR^2:

nice box, indeed.

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FR^2:

I assume there is no pci slot in there? *gg*

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iamlindoro:

no need to assume, the photos show the inside

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FR^2:

No space left _in_ device? ;)

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iamlindoro:

no

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juski:

heh that's *neat*

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juski:

looking at those photos the majority of components are PSU related :P

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juski:

least 1/3 of the board is PSU. heheh

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Wow, 6 usb portson the back?

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juski:

looks well made too

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juski:

and on the plus side it also looks like you don't need a degree in brain surgery to open it without breaking the case

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, yeah

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GreyFoxx:

yeah, nice little box

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iamlindoro:

juski, yeah, two screws back, two scres holding in optical, done

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juski:

the co. I work for could learn a dozen or hundred things from that box :)

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juski:

oh look, they put the fan near whatever needs to be cooled

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juski:

and oh, the case is this shape, so they kinda made the board fit into that :D

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iamlindoro:

heh

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juski:

and 4 screws on a box that size, as opposed to let's see... 17 in our product outer casing

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juski:

well, that's buggered up my plan. helped my sister record a vocal demo last weekend & now I've got the MIDI/audio addiction again

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iamlindoro:

hmmmm

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iamlindoro:

jams, I am not in the position to compile your settings plugin for some work I am doing for someone, happen to have some DB foo to copy settings where host = foo to host = bar?

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iamlindoro:

(which, btw, would be a huuuuuge help if it got committed to myth proper)

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iamlindoro:

(#6064)

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, some or all?

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iamlindoro:

all

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kormoc:

easy peasy

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iamlindoro:

select * from settings where hostname="frontend=4" magic magic "frontend-5";

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iamlindoro:

where magic magic ==....?

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iamlindoro:

;)

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kormoc:

So close :)

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kormoc:

INSERT INTO settings (`value`, data, hostname) SELECT `value`, data, 'hostname string' FROM settings WHERE hostname='old';

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iamlindoro:

Neat, thanks! :)

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iamlindoro:

Worked great

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iamlindoro:

saves me setting up the next two frontends and using all the time like I did today

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kormoc:

yeah, SQL is all happy for data mangling, I love it :)

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iamlindoro:

Now I can finish this one, clone the drive to the last and.... Profit!

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kormoc:

:)

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iamlindoro:

(after changing the hostname on the last, of course)

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wagnerrp:

looks like i have some work to do on my one frontend

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wagnerrp:

aac is not getting passed through or decoded, there is just no sound on those files

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** iamlindoro grumbles at comcast... again **

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, trogod and his myth diary

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iamlindoro:

wiki = blog, apparently

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wagnerrp:

does he expect someone to see his errors and recommend a solution?

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iamlindoro:

"Today I found my mythbuntu machine had a load of about 21 and there were several mythcommflag jobs running...."

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iamlindoro:

dear diary, today I discovered girls!

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wagnerrp:

something strange happened, and my pants got tight

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iamlindoro:

So I pulled her hair and pushed her in the tan bark, then skipped across the blacktop

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** kormoc laughs **

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wagnerrp:

yes, the bark.... because the ground is now too dangerous for our childrens' playgrounds

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, I might have finally fixed the ssh tunnel mythweb bug

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, nice, now that I've forgotten why I tunneled 8080:80 in the first place ;)

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wagnerrp:

something about comcast blocking port 80?

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iamlindoro:

Naw, it's ssh tunneling

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iamlindoro:

probably thought I might want to host a page on my machine at the office

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iamlindoro:

"I looked over my logs but I didn't see any messages from my mythmon script. maybe it wasn't the problem! I do see tons of messages about starting "commercial flagging" jobs, I just don't see why my shows got broken up into 5-minute segments like they did. I had to spend several minutes going through my recording history to delete all the little pieces it had recorded (mostly less than 5 minute segments) over that last 24 hours."

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iamlindoro:

WHO

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iamlindoro:

CARES

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iamlindoro:

PS, it's because you're a dumbass who thought your backend needed "monitoring" and when it got busy, it decided to kill and restart it

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** iamlindoro breathes **

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kormoc:

yeah...

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kormoc:

and the best bit is we can't contact him about it

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wagnerrp:

you can edit his page

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iamlindoro:

I'm not writing on his discussion page, that only encourages bad behavior

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iamlindoro:

:)

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wagnerrp:

you can edit his main page

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wagnerrp:

hell... i STARTED his main page

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iamlindoro:

I don't want him to believe anyone could actually be reading it ;)

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wagnerrp:

edit anonymously, routed through TOR

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iamlindoro:

hehehe

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iamlindoro:

I actually have that firefox plugin I think it's great

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iamlindoro:

plugin, I

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iamlindoro:

(The one that let's you selectively enable Tor)

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wagnerrp:

i have the plugin on my profile still... but my laptop isnt currently set up with tor

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xris:

hahahaha... ok, so I rename "HDMI 1 / DVI" to "DVI PC" (menu choice) on my new TV and it fixes both sound AND resolution/overscan

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wagnerrp:

although my home firewall, i just add a destination IP to a table

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wagnerrp:

and it instantly gets routed through TOR

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iamlindoro:

xris, heh

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xris:

samsung ftw

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wagnerrp:

what???

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iamlindoro:

oy, I really think these asrock boxes are neat-- too bad I can't think of anywhere in the house I would put one

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wagnerrp:

i hate serial cables...

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wagnerrp:

female--female adaptor came in the mail yesterday... but apparently i cant use it because i need a null modem female--female adaptor, and this one is just passthru

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iamlindoro:

heh, bummer

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wagnerrp:

that just means i need to continue using the null modem cable from my Lego Mindstorms kit to connect to my firewall

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: You don't have a drawere full of serial adapters, cables, etc, like I do? ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: How much is that Asrock box- that thing is pretty tiny... And ready to go out of the box (after installing Linux and Myth I presume... ;-) )

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iamlindoro:

Newegg has hiked the price twice ($10 each time) but $379 right now

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iamlindoro:

And yeah, I've gotten three running in the last 7 hours

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iamlindoro:

from blank hard drive to Mythbox, including configured HDMI audio, etc.

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Three? Yikes, starting a business? ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Consulting

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Did you just make one, then clone the HDD to the others?

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: ive got a handful of cables, but no adaptors

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iamlindoro:

Was planning to, but didn't work out that way

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wagnerrp:

i could probably swipe one from our admin at work though

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iamlindoro:

Still, a couple hours a box is a pretty decent clip IMHO

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wagnerrp:

his office has a small corridor from the door to his desk, with the rest of the space willed with old hardware

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iamlindoro:

Though I did (with kormoc's help) clone the DB settings across to make them all behave the same way

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wagnerrp:

you cant netboot those boxes? or at least boot off a livecd or usb key?

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: sounds reasonable.

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iamlindoro:

Could netboot, but the network architecture there would be maxed out by it w/ 8 frontends in the place

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wagnerrp:

i mean to transfer the images

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wagnerrp:

boot into a live cd, and then just netcat the entire disk device from one machine to the other

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iamlindoro:

2 SATA ports on the board, using a custom connector that goes to both the HDD and CD-rom

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iamlindoro:

so no way to easily connect two drives to one board

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wagnerrp:

you wouldnt have to

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Fixed my UPnP issues, but am getting ready to head out the door on Vacation, so I didn't get a chance to test your patch. :-(

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** iamlindoro so enjoys these academic discussions **

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wagnerrp:

ive done that process before backing up and restoring my laptop

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iamlindoro:

There is no point whatsoever in having this discussion, what's done is done

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wagnerrp:

well if youve only done 3 boxes, that means theres 5 more to go

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iamlindoro:

There are existing boxes

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iamlindoro:

to which three were added

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iamlindoro:

anything else you'd like to tell me about how I should do my own consulting work?

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wagnerrp:

8 frontends on netboot wont max out a network?

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iamlindoro:

Jesus fucking christ

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iamlindoro:

DON'T HELP

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wagnerrp:

:P

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iamlindoro:

I know my job and don't need your help

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, if you really wanted to, it'd be fairly simple to write a trigger for the settings table so when one frontend is updated, it updates all of them

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wagnerrp:

im sure clever has that many running off a 10mbit network

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, yeah, that'd be helpful

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, are all the frontend hostnames using a standard prefix?

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iamlindoro:

yes, frontend-

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kormoc:

slick, I'll see what I can whip up for ya once I'm done with this base patch

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, nice, thanks

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jams:

iamlindoro- don't forget the keybindings table if there is anything custom there.

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iamlindoro:

jams, nothing's gotten that far, thanks

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kormoc:

Does anyone have a WAP phone?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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kormoc:

care to test a mythweb patch on it?

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wagnerrp:

i have no data plan

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kormoc:

ahh, oh well

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Captain_Murdoch:

might not want to sync some things like DisplayRecGroup, MasterMixerVolume, PCMMixerVolume

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Gumby:

hi all. just starting to setup mythtv and my hd-pvr. Is it better to use trunk or fixes+patches?

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wagnerrp:

trunk is the only supported method in this channel

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Gumby:

ah, ok. I should stick with that then because I'll probably have lots of questions ;)

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Gumby:

any downfalls with trunk right now?

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wagnerrp:

the channel scanner

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wagnerrp:

lack of themes

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wagnerrp:

general flux of mythui

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Gumby:

lol, sounds great

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Gumby:

:)

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wagnerrp:

unforseen bugs as new commits roll in

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wagnerrp:

existing bugs that may not have been noticed, or just not fixed yet

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Gumby:

so basically you are telling me I am a bit too early for this setup. hehe

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wagnerrp:

ive been running it for the last 7–8 months

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wagnerrp:

and the last 4–5 have been largely problem free

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Gumby:

the channel scanner doesnt so much matter for me though correct? Since I will be using it with an hd-pvr that is connected to my satellite

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea how you would scan such a thing

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wagnerrp:

ive never captured off an STB before

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Gumby:

I wont be constantly updating trunk. I'll stick with what works generally. I'd use schedules direct I assume

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Gumby:

I'll give it a shot and see where it gets me.

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tommy1:

Hi i can not get lirc and mythtv to work but i am a little unclear about how i should do it

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tommy1:

I have a hdhomerun working with lirc and irw

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tommy1:

but then i am stuck

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kormoc:

So what exactly is not working?

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Gumby:

anyone noticed that schedules direct is painfully slow? Or is this an issue with latest trunk

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Gumby:

anyone here setup the hd-pvr ir blaster?

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orogor:

hi all

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orogor:

morning

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orogor:

gi gbee

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gbee:

I'm in a world of pain right now, wanted a single application from the unstable repo of Mandriva, the app required several updated dependencies, those broke kde and before you know if I'm having to switch entirely to the unstable repo where everything is broken

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laga:

ah, dependency hell

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gbee:

can't even build myth right now since qmake is oops'ing

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gbee:

laga: you can't say that ubuntu would be any different, only gentoo would be immune to this particular issue

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gbee:

but I do miss the ability to downgrade back to the safety of the current stable release

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gbee:

I feel stupid because this is not the first time I've made this mistake, the last time I stuck a post-it note on the wall next to me "Do NOT use cooker!!"

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gbee:

so what did I do?

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laga:

gbee: i wasn't saying that :) even gentoo might give you trouble with that

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gbee:

well gentoo, in theory, might let me upgrade on application without needing to upgrade hundreds

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gbee:

though I guess it depends on there being no library api changes

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janneg:

gbee: try replacing post-it with permanent marker and wall with display *scnr*

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janneg:

at least the next portage version should prevent broken packages due to updated library dependencies

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janneg:

the old .so remain installed until the packages linking it are rebuild

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gbee:

janneg: heh

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laga:

that sounds like a neat feature

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Stroller:

Hi there, is anyone here using a 3ware 9xxx RAID controller, please?

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orogor:

gbee, i dont liek mandriva, it was oneof the first distro i used,it had dependency issues

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orogor:

that was around 2002 trought

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gbee:

orogor: IMHO it's one of the best distros these days, though I'm starting to think they are letting standards slip in the last year

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orogor:

using ubuntu right now as a lot of peoples and centos at the office

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juski:

I guage whether I should be using a distro or not on what the dolts at work say they like :)

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orogor:

well i think there s a low enought amount of issues enought so that i am happy with it

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Greek-Boy:

anyone have a problem of going to mythtv backends setup and it displays black and orange blocks without text?

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juski:

ubuntu is doing the job for me right now

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juski:

broke it once with dependency hell though

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orogor:

ithink i ll stop using mythcommentirely , it s too cpu expensive and anyhow i end up markign all the stuff manually

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juski:

that was a lesson learned well. don't use 3rd party repos unless you *really* know what you're doing

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orogor:

ithink i ll stop using mythflagcomm entirely , it s too cpu expensive and anyhow i end up markign all the stuff manually

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juski:

I never bother commflagging anyway

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juski:

the stuff we do record from commercial channels we've got, commflagging has seldom worked. stupid UK

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juski:

like it's THAT much effort to press a button anyway :)

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gbee:

using ubuntu on one fe/be and my netbook, but there are too many things I don't like about the behaviour of Ubuntu and it just doesn't have the tools that mandriva has got yet

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gbee:

but equally, mandriva doesn't have dedicated mythtv or netbook versions

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juski:

the time I save installing the distro is then spent mangling it to do my bidding afterwards

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juski:

still want something faster booting for my frontend. why the **** it's going for shite like WACOM tablets...

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gbee:

yeah, that the thing, I really didn't have that problem with mandriva, but ubuntu never gets things entirely right from the outset

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** laga is thinking about switching to gnome. **

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laga:

and that scares me

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orogor:

juski, there s stuff for very fast booting , but it require a good amunt of tinkering and soem money

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gbee:

I admire mythbuntu, but still there are things that could be improved

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gbee:

netbook remix is largely ideal, the things which bother me about ubuntu aren't relevant on the netbook because it's not a machine I'm going to spend hours using or working on

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gbee:

laga: I think KDE made a complete hash of their KDE4 transition, so much stuff was released broken and unfinished, there are some design issues which they are being slow to recognise and address

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gbee:

the whole episode very nearly put me off KDE, but when the only alternative is gnome ... well I'll live with broken kde over that

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laga:

gbee: still running kde 3.5

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gbee:

laga: ah, heh

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laga:

almost tried kde 4.3 rc, but then the thought of having to use amarok 2 put me off ;)

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juski:

orogor: I'll be happy sticking with netbooting – just without all the extraneous crap

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gbee:

the distros really didn't help kde by shipping kde4 even when it was painfully obvious that it wasn't ready, if they'd refused then it might have been a wake up call for kde

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juski:

god, those kde4 icons are awful

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juski:

I've drawn better bitmaps with my left foot

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gbee:

amarok 2 is the best recent example of UI design gone wrong

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gbee:

juski: ?

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juski:

saw a screenshot – battery status icons & taskbar stuff.. they were awful

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juski:

so much for vectors being better ;-)

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gbee:

mandriva tend to replace a lot of icons etc with their own theme, so I'm probably not seeing the same ones

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juski:

they reminded me of 1995 shareware stuff

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juski:

think they even had a competition to decide which ones to use. god help the others

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gbee:

right, well installing of all the updated packages is complete, lets see if it will come up after a boot and whether more or less stuff will be broken

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juski:

wonder if any distros are supporting 5 button mice out of the box yet

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juski:

that's the #1 criticism my friends have had about linux

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juski:

me saying "oh it's easy, just open a text editor and (they hear) blah blah blah waffle waffle" :D

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juski:

doesn't help

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laga:

i believe my logitech nx 518 worked fine

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laga:

err, mx

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laga:

hum

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laga:

i hate sundays. thank god i've got one last patch to update

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gbee:

ok, this isn't so bad, nothing obviously broken

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gbee:

qmake is no longer puking, so that's good

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orogor:

gbee, can you tell me why with this conf file nuvexport tries to use ffmpeg ? http://pastebin.com/m14c0bf1a

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gbee:

orogor: I can't, I don't know anything about nuvexport

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gbee:

xris: would be the expert

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orogor:

humm , using alien to install rpm seems to be better alreay

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laga:

great. my dev box is about 10m away and i don't have sshd installed ;)

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orogor:

how much does myth like to have it s files replaces by the nuvexported ones?

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orogor:

humm mencoder is running at about 30fps, yet it s niced and i am unsure it s dual threaded

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brad2:

morning guys

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orogor:

pasta ala rabiatta !!

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firestorm:

Hi. Anybody here who has used mythtranscode?

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espenaf:

Hi. Anyone know why there is a 4 disk limit for the span-disks option on mythgame? I am trying to add some amiga games with more than 4 disk, and any disk over 4 will be shown in the list

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espenaf:

i have tracked it down to an regex in the gamehandler.cpp; QRegExp multiDiskRGXP = QRegExp( "[0–4]$", TRUE, FALSE ); what's up with that?

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GreyFoxx:

At the time the code was added I was told by the feature requestors that there were no amiga games with more that 4 disks

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espenaf:

ok, well, that's not true, some even have more than 10 disks, but they are usually possible to install on an hd file

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firestorm:

My mythtranscode issue is No video information found! Please ensure that recording profiles for the transcoder are set

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espenaf:

Greyfoxx: changing the regex to work with up to 9 disks isn't a problem, but what if i wanted to a 2 digit number of disks, that might be more problematic or?

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GreyFoxx:

Im sure it would just be a matter of getting the rigt regexp

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GreyFoxx:

basically some experimentation :)

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laga:

\d{1,2} – not sure about the right syntax for QRegExp

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GreyFoxx:

the QT QRegExp pages might help

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GreyFoxx:

their docs are pretty good

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espenaf:

I also tought so, and i have done some experimenting, but won't there be some issues with the gamenames

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espenaf:

laga: i have tried that, isn't working

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espenaf:

will have a look at the QT QRegExp pages, mostly used to java, so there might be som differences

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orogor:

i didnt paid attention , but apparently nuvexport is not made to replace existing mpeg2 files by xvid ones, right ?

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orogor:

it s onoly made to make new ones?

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laga:

yeah, kinda. i guess you could replace the original recording and replace the seek table

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orogor:

:/

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orogor:

or can i resinsert these videos inside mythtv?

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orogor:

gah metadata woudl be lost anyway

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orogor:

myth is hellish sometimes

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iamlindoro:

not if one merely replaced the filename and not the whole record

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iamlindoro:

people who don't know how to do what they want and blame myth are hellish sometimes ;)

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orogor:

hehe

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orogor:

iamlindoro, as i remembered somone said it s not a good idea to replace the filename hence why mythrename had a link option

[14:09:16]

iamlindoro:

if a) you're doing it as part of a transcode and b) you actually know what you are doing and c) are presumably only chaning the container/extension, there is no harm in it

[14:09:24]

iamlindoro:

with special emphasis on "knowing what you are doing"

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laga:

iamlindoro: might have to update the seektable?

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iamlindoro:

orogor, laga is correct, once one has done so, the seektable would need to be regenerated

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iamlindoro:

(which I consider part of knowing what you're doing) :)

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orogor:

as i remember if the flux is recorded as mpeg2 it s not transcoded or something

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iamlindoro:

I have no idea what you mean

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orogor:

iamlindoro, liek when the flux comes for instance from a dvb card , it s already in mpeg2 so the the system considere there s no need to transcode it or something

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laga:

i think the flux needs to be compensated for that to work

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iamlindoro:

orogor, I think you mean "stream" or "recording" instead of flux

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iamlindoro:

and yes, from a digital card it's already compressed, but there are many reasons one might transcode it afterwards

[14:23:51]

iamlindoro:

saving space, removing commercials, etc.

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orogor:

yes

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brad2:

iamlindoro: I installed your graphite theme today. It looks really nice!

[14:50:35]

orogor:

humm , the dvb-t is at either 15 or 30MB/sec

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orogor:

i tried to get it down to 2MB/sec, didnt liked it

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gbee:

SD?

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iamlindoro:

brad2, Thanks, glad you like it

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iamlindoro:

brad2, it works best once you have collected fanart/coverart/banners for all your stuff, television recordings included

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux's Jamu utility, which will hopefully be in contrib for .22, helps amazingly with that

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iamlindoro:

Though Jamu relies on a patch that isn't applied yet, which Anduin mentioned he might get to this week, so crossed fingers

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** iamlindoro goes off on a run **

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brad2:

i will check it out, thanks

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orogor:

gbee, 720 by something

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orogor:

actually i double checked apparently i took a bas sample, orginal video was blurry as well

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wagnerrp:

orogor: dvb-t will typically be 5–25mbps, not MBps

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wagnerrp:

which is going to be roughly 0.8–2MB/s

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wagnerrp:

make that 3MB/s

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gbee:

even HD material isn't going to be more than 15–30mbps (certainly not 15–30MB per second)

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wagnerrp:

see from 10 minutes ago

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gbee:

"<orogor> gbee, 720 by something" – so S

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gbee:

D

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gbee:

720x576 – PAL

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wagnerrp:

SD should be closer to that 5mbps end

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gbee:

average is well below it, even for the highest bitrate DVB-T channels in the UK, which are considered by most to be of a high quality, the peak is 7–8Mbps and averaged rate 3–4Mbps

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gbee:

that's for video, you can add 320kbps for audio

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gbee:

http://dtt.me.uk/demux

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mkrufky:

wow thats very cool — if u find a chart like that for NYC id love it

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orogor:

Looking for autodetect profile: Autodetect from 576, Transcode: Couldn't find profile for : H.264

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orogor:

transcode failled with that error

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wagnerrp:

mythtranscode cannot encode to h264

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orogor:

i didnt asked him to

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wagnerrp:

and the auto-profiles only work with mpeg2 and mjpeg

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orogor:

it can t transcode from h264 ?

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wagnerrp:

why would you transcode FROM h264 to anything mythtranscode could do

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wagnerrp:

you cannot use the 'auto-select' profile, or whatever its called

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orogor:

because all the transcode options i saw were mpeg4 or mjpeg and i choosed mpeg4, so i have noidea where i would have told him to transcode to h264

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wagnerrp:

mythtranscode can only do mpeg4asp and mjpeg

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wagnerrp:

both of which are far less efficient than mpeg4avc (h264)

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wagnerrp:

so youre either going to end up with a much larger file, or one of much lower quality

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orogor:

and i think all my shows are anyway regorded in mpeg2 as they are dvb-t, ..... so i guess mythtranscode didnt reconised the video format properly

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wagnerrp:

dvb-t recordings can either be mpeg2 or h264

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wagnerrp:

it just depends on the broadcaster

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orogor:

ho

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orogor:

so, i am stuck with 4GB for a 1h and somethign show?

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wagnerrp:

if you want it to remain high definition

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wagnerrp:

if you were intending to drop the resolution, you can get to a smaller size

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wagnerrp:

but i wouldnt suggest going lower than maybe 1G/hr

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orogor:

Bitrate15000 kbps , Resolution720 x 576

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wagnerrp:

for standard PAL resolution

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wagnerrp:

15mbps for PAL is a bit rediculous

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orogor:

its not _that_ hi :Selected codec ffmpeg2

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wagnerrp:

yeah it is... thats like 3 times the average bitrate for DVDs, for the same resolution

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orogor:

wagnerrp, all my shows are 15 or 30mbps

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wagnerrp:

and youre using a codec designed for double the compressive efficiency than that used for DVDs

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orogor:

i mean the resolution is not that hi , obviousely the bitrate is

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orogor:

id prefer they streamed 1720p for that price

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orogor:

btw, thats national french dvb-t (tnt)

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orogor:

they kinda fucked up when they wanted to make the norm they hesited between mpeg4andmpeg2 , and they choosed mpeg2

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wagnerrp:

1720p doesnt exist

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wagnerrp:

and i thought you said they were using h264 (mpeg4avc)

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orogor:

thats what mythtranscode deteteced

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orogor:

Looking for autodetect profile: Autodetect from 576, Transcode: Couldn't find profile for : H.264

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gbee:

well we don't have profiles for h.264 yet

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wagnerrp:

theres a bit of a bug with mythtranscode

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gbee:

but you aren't going to compress it any more without massive decrease in quality and probably an increase in size (we don't support h.264 encoding or lossless transcoding)

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wagnerrp:

you can add new profiles, but mythtranscode will only use the ones that came bundled with it

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wagnerrp:

gbee: sure he is, if its 720x576 h264 at 15Mbps

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wagnerrp:

thats far in excess of whats needed

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gbee:

wagnerrp: I'd lay money that it's not really 15Mbps, that's just stupid

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gbee:

or it's 1Mbps of video and 14 of data streams

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gbee:

but what data stream uses 14Mbps?

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gbee:

h.264 doesn't let you do really stupid things like encoding at a bitrate 8 times that of mpeg2

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gbee:

orogor: how long is the recording and what's the filesize?

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orogor:

gbee, the video is 4.4GB, no players agree on the lenght , llemme check in myth

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packet-sent:

I got a 800mhz processor,256mb ram and a DVB usb stick...any chance this spec would run a master backend serving 1 remote frontend only ?

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wagnerrp:

it should be a multiple of half an hour

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wagnerrp:

just give us a rough estimate of length

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gbee:

orogor: well you must have had an idea of how long the programme is? 30 minutes, 1 hour, 2 hours?

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orogor:

1h something

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laga:

packet-sent: might work.. it'd be good if you could throw in some more memory, but it should work

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wagnerrp:

packet-sent: that will work fine as a backend, but i wouldnt expect to run any processing on that machine

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iamlindoro:

though transcoding and commflag will be a bit painful

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iamlindoro:

capture should be A-ok though

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wagnerrp:

commflagging and transcoding will run at well below realtime

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orogor:

i d say 1h30 withotu the commercials

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wagnerrp:

forget the commercials

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wagnerrp:

what is the length of the recording

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orogor:

1h45

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wagnerrp:

ok

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packet-sent:

ok guys thnx for the comments I shall give it a shot

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wagnerrp:

so its actually 5.7mbps

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wagnerrp:

thats far more reasonable

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orogor:

well i just looked up the infos returned by smplayer (mplauyer gui)

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wagnerrp:

seems as if the encoder just set some arbitrary bitrate in the header

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wagnerrp:

and then did whatever it wanted

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wagnerrp:

that happens...

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gbee:

5.7mbps is actually a very good quality for SD, but I think you'll have to get used to it, TB drives are cheap enough

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gbee:

HD runs 10GB/hr here

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gbee:

SD 2GB/hr, so that's not far from average for mpeg2

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** iamlindoro yearns for 10Gb/hr H.264 **

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iamlindoro:

er GB

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gbee:

well 9.6, I rounded up

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gbee:

and that's 10GB, not Gbit

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iamlindoro:

See my correction :)

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gbee:

heh

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notlistening:

Hi I have lirc running with a HDhomerun and can not myth to respond have irw working but can not get myth to see the key presses at all

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gbee:

which is all very well, but I can't watch it right now, OSS ATi drivers are broken on my main frontend and the DVB-S card is broken in my dev backend

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iamlindoro:

Mark K and Jeff Lu seem determined to make Windows an honest to goodness platform for .22, God bless 'em

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gbee:

so I can record, but I can't watch – or watch, but not record

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gbee:

iamlindoro: aye

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iamlindoro:

Maybe if the frontend/backend are supported for .22, someone will write a BDA (Win capture API) interface for .23

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iamlindoro:

I'm all for that even if I won't ever use it

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gbee:

I might not like windows or use it, but I appreciate the importance of cross platform support

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: in a binary release? or will i still have to compile from source?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I have heard some rumblings about distributing as binary

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, and Jeff Lu wrote a patch to make it compile against Qt DLLs so a tleast some of the work is done there

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iamlindoro:

(as opposed to compiling Qt in the build script)

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gbee:

we're all for it, it's just a case of getting momentum behind it

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wagnerrp:

i mean there just wont be much use of a source only windows release

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iamlindoro:

Sage on Windows Home Server (basically a NAS w/ some capture cards and web admin) seems very popular, Myth could easily do that w/ Backend as a service + Mythweb

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wagnerrp:

windows users dont much like to compile things

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iamlindoro:

s/don't much like to/aren't able to/

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wagnerrp:

... but dont blame us, getting set up to compile on windows is not a simple undertaking

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orogor:

i hope they dont need, they have a very standard environnement

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, hopefully Mark is looking at Jeff's backend patches

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notlistening:

can someone give me a pointer to a website the i can follow to track my lirc issue down?

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** gbee builds qt4 from source, because the packagers botched the job **

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gbee:

so much for getting work done today

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olsta:

hoi

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olsta:

my backend mean this: WARNING: is mythfilldatabase running?

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olsta:

jow can i solve the problem

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olsta:

i can't found a solution on the net

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janneg:

olsta: do you use DVB card(s) with EIT scanning?

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olsta:

dvb-t yes

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olsta:

in the last days it works

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orogor:

how do i reset the tvguide and reinsert all ?

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orogor:

well reinsert is ok , dropping it ,should i just trunkate a table?

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janneg:

olsta: you don't need to run mythfilldatabase then

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olsta:

?

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notlistening:

hi when i run mythfrontend and start usng my remote i keep getting this lircd: can't open or create /var/run/lircd.pid

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notlistening:

lircd: Permission denied

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notlistening:

any ideas?

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notlistening:

the remote is working fine but i get the error message again an agan on the consolei

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Shadow__X:

hmm i dont know much but it seems like permissions may be the issue

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notlistening:

i have lircd already running

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notlistening:

and it seems like it is trying to rerun it each time

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Shadow__X:

notlistening: have you looked at the manual

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notlistening:

okay i will look

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Shadow__X:

notlistening: i dont know the exact issue but the docs explain everything pretty well

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pjcrux:

hello I have a quick question about a PVR-150 when using mythtv with Fedora 9 on analog cable. about twenty of my channels show as static when trying to record a program off of the channel. The TV format is default and a channel in question is the cartoon network. Is there a different settings I should be using?

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wagnerrp:

do you actually still get cartoon network over analog?

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pjcrux:

it shows on all of my tv's in the house that are not capable of digital

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pjcrux:

and no I do not have any converter box's or external tuners

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Shadow__X:

pjcrux: no stb?

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pjcrux:

sorry stb?

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Shadow__X:

set top box

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pjcrux:

correct no set top box

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pjcrux:

direct plugin from the wall

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Shadow__X:

does cartoon network come up on the same channel on mythtv as your tv's

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Shadow__X:

pjcrux: that souds like a setup error not an actual pvr 150 error

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pjcrux:

yes

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pjcrux:

both come up as channel 45

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pjcrux:

should I change the format in the backend?

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pjcrux:

from default to something more specific?

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wagnerrp:

default?

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wagnerrp:

what do you mean by format

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laga:

the format, dude.

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pjcrux:

in the backend man

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pjcrux:

I left everything as default on the channel setup

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pjcrux:

Shadow__X: yeah I think so too

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pjcrux:

just not sure how to correct

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pjcrux:

I change the Cartoon Network to NTSC from default see if that corrects the issue

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Shadow__X:

yeah me either

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wagnerrp:

the only thing i cant think of is maybe you have it set to broadcast frequencies, instead of cable frequencies

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devicenull:

is there any way to get audio muted when fast forwarding?

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Shadow__X:

wagnerrp: yeah true

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pjcrux:

wagnerrp: how is that done

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wagnerrp:

channel 45 air would be channel 96 cable, or something like that

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pjcrux:

sorry new to mythtv

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devicenull:

it's kinda irritating to have it playing when the video is at a vastly differnt position

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cesman:

hello hello

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wagnerrp:

but its been over 3 years since the last time ive even looked at that

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pjcrux:

wagnerrp: lol

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pjcrux:

wagnerrp: is it in setup of the backend? or can I access via mythweb?

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pjcrux:

I don't use a frontend persay

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pjcrux:

just mythweb

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wagnerrp:

should be in the card setup in mythtv-setup

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pjcrux:

k

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wagnerrp:

if you arent running X, just set up a VNC session to control it with

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pjcrux:

yeah it's usually how I access it

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pjcrux:

I run my backend on my server

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pjcrux:

*headless server

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orogor:

gbee, iamlindoro can at least make the cuttings in h264 if i say to not edit the videos?

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wagnerrp:

not yet

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orogor:

err

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wagnerrp:

its being worked on

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orogor:

well you understood me , cool :)

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wagnerrp:

or at least intended to work on

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wagnerrp:

there is considerable interest in that over here, with hdpvr support coming soon

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wagnerrp:

(the hdpvr outputs h264)

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orogor:

using nuvexport would solves that i guess, but then videos wouldn t be integrated into mythtv

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orogor:

i guess i fucked up myraid setup

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kormoc:

language

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orogor:

sorry

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gbee:

oops, nearly got sidetracked into dbus integration for myth

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sid3windr:

:)

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gbee:

as I sit here watching QT4 compile I get a small taste of what life must be like for a Gentoo user

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wagnerrp:

huh? we let it sit there, and go do something else

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wagnerrp:

its all scripted, so you can build a hundred programs in proper sequence without user intervention

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sid3windr:

oh wow, someone admitted to using it! ;)

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gbee:

you never need an app right _now_?

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wagnerrp:

anything i need 'right now' is generally small enough to be built within a few minutes

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kormoc:

gbee, So I timed my mini install, from fsck of the disk to mythfrontend running was just under 3 hours, with custom hardware, etc. Is that really that much slower then other distros?

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gbee:

not really, just about 2hr 20m

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Greek-Boy:

anyone have a problem of going to mythtv backends setup and it displays black and orange blocks without text?

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Greek-Boy:

:(

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gbee:

like I said before, if that's what you want to use then fair enough, but it would drive me crazy – I can't get any work done until I've rebuilt this QT4 rpm, sure I can go off and continue painting the fence etc, but I wanted to spend this time working on myth :/

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gbee:

I'll lay off gentoo for a while ;)

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kormoc:

gbee, rebuilding QT for me takes 12 minutes, there's nothing you can do in 12 minutes without QT?

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kormoc:

and if I distributed it, it'd be way less

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gbee:

kormoc: taking considerably longer than that here

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orogor:

how do i access the deleted group to delete the content, because i ve supprimed the autoexpire?

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gbee:

quite possible that there was some option to increase the number of jobs, but I'm unfamiliar with rpm specs and rebuilding them

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Shadow__X:

kormoc: how would you distribute a rebuild accross numerous machines or did you mean distribute accross other cores

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kormoc:

both?

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kormoc:

I already use 2 cores for my builds

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kormoc:

but I have 12 other cores I could distribute to

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orogor:

there s a distcc and a ccache for gentoo

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kormoc:

no? really? I had no idea!

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orogor:

haa maybe you get already abig speedup from the ccache btw

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kormoc:

first build? not a chance

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orogor:

:/

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Shadow__X:

oh ok i didnt know there was a distribute command

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kormoc:

but the next builds, sure

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kormoc:

Shadow__X, it's not a command, it's a serivce

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Shadow__X:

oh ok thanks

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gbee:

gotta say, even if this job was spread over two or even four cores, I can't see it taking just 12 minutes, the full qt4 source is huge

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kormoc:

gbee, my QT is modular, I build the core or webit, or opengl, or X module one at a time, that helps a lot

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Shadow__X:

gbee: your forgetting its kormoc he is magic

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gbee:

kormoc: yeah, that would make a difference

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kormoc:

gbee, this is where I really get frustrated with non-source distros, the idea of rebuilding *all* of qt to get a module or what not drives me crazy

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gbee:

again, if I were more familiar with rpm-build and spec files etc I'd just rebuild the package I need rather than all QT4 packages ... :(

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kormoc:

gbee, the steps to do a custom kernel on a rpm distro is insane and takes forever....

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gbee:

kormoc: well this is the first time I've ever had to rebuild a package

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kormoc:

gbee, I live on the edge too much, I've had to a fair bit, and it's always sucked

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gbee:

kormoc: well you don't have to package it, when I've built custom kernels in the past I've never bothered – just 3 steps, config, make, install

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kormoc:

and then the upgrade kicks it out of your grub conf...

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kormoc:

cause it's not a blessed kernel...

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gbee:

kormoc: never has on mandriva

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gbee:

ever

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** kormoc eyes CentOS **

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GreyFoxx:

gbee: Any idea what would be a good MythUI based example of a list like setup menu? I'm looking to add a new section to mythtv-setup and figured I should go for MythUI right off the bat. Basically it will be a list similar to the capture cards list, and then when you pick on present the specific config bits for that item

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GreyFoxx:

I don't know if any of the various setup menus have been converted

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gbee:

mythnews setup maybe, though I'd hesitate to call it a good example, we only have on list widget in mythui – the menus, watch recordings screen, icon downloader etc all use it and I'd like to think it's fairly simple to use

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GreyFoxx:

simple is good. all I need is literally a up/down/whatever list with Add New followed by 1 liners for each current item

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GreyFoxx:

\nothing too special

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gbee:

pretty much any screen would use the list, mythfrontend/viewscheduled.cpp/h, might be a good example to follow

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GreyFoxx:

cool, thanks

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gbee:

each mythui screen follows a standard format, e.g. they all have a Create() which basically looks the same, most have customEvent and keypressEvent handlers – take a look at a couple and you should see what remains consistent between them

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gbee:

need any help, just ask

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GreyFoxx:

I likely will hehe

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gbee:

oh, nearly forgot that the channel editor in mythtv-setup is now mythui too

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gbee:

back in 15

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orogor:

going to mac do to buy a salad seems counterintuitive, yet no more food in the fridge and it the only place i can get vegetables around

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gbee:

noooo! came back, rpms are ready ... wrong version, I'd mis-read a version string and I'm one minor revision out

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orogor:

:/

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orogor:

i dneed to learn how to make rpms, i d liek to try the fixes svn of myth on ubuntu

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orogor:

almost 10 years of linux and i made only 2 rpms or so years ago

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GreyFoxx:

heh well it's not much.but it's a start http://phaze.org/mythtv/dvdchanger1.jpg http://phaze.org/mythtv/dvdchanger2.jpg

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Gumby:

anyone here setup the hd-pvr? Im somewhat unsure how to add channels since there is no tuner involved

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kormoc:

Gumby, no tuner involved? You're not using a ir blaster or firewire to change channels?

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Gumby:

kormoc: well, I will be. But that part isnt setup yet. I was hoping to just test and have set the channel change command to /bin/true for now

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sphery:

Gumby: US?

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Gumby:

sphery: canada

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sphery:

OK, set up your lineup at SD, then use mythfilldatabase with the argument that says to add channels even though they're ATSC

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sphery:

you can't do it with the Fetch channels button

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sphery:

you can't do it with Scan button

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sphery:

have to use mfdb outside of mythtv-setup

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Gumby:

I'm not using cable btw if that matters. I'm using satellite

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sphery:

no matter

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Gumby:

ok

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Gumby:

mythfilldatabase --do-not-filter-new-channels this is correct right?

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sphery:

yeah

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Gumby:

sphery: fyi, I had channels before using the 'fetch channels..' in the setup. How is this different?

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sphery:

any that are marked as atsc wouldn't be put in place using fetch channels

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Gumby:

I see

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sphery:

if none are marked atsc, it's the same

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Gumby:

to get the hd-pvr to work, I guess I have to have some sort of channel change script so myth thinks it is changing the channel

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Gumby:

setting /bin/true isnt enough?

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

it's enough

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Gumby:

hrm

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sphery:

if it's not working, there are other issues

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Gumby:

ok

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Gumby:

here is what I get when changing channels http://pastebin.ca/1515981

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kormoc:

you don't have it setup correctly

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Gumby:

hrm

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sphery:

Gumby: it's using the internal tuner code path

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sphery:

not using an external channel change command

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Gumby:

does /bin/true have to have anything in it?

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sphery:

has to be a valid executable that returns a successful exit status code

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sphery:

should be on any close-to-standards-compliant *nix system

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Gumby:

/bin/true does exist. Im not too sure what in it

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sphery:

if you execute it at the command line, it "does nothing"

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sphery:

but if you say: echo $?

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sphery:

you see 0 (=normal program termination)

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sphery:

if you execute /bin/false, it "does nothing"

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sphery:

but if you say: echo $?

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sphery:

after, you see 1 (= abnormal program termination/error)

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sphery:

which is strange because /bin/false is supposed to fail, so it seems there was no error ;)

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Gumby:

ok, both those are correct

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sphery:

(ignore my last joke--not enough sleep)

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Gumby:

hehe, ok

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sphery:

so the problem is not /bin/true, but--as kormoc mentioned--your configuration

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Gumby:

for capturecard I have Card Type: H.264 encoder card (HD-PVR), Video Device: /dev/video0 (verified by dmesg), Default Input: Component, Audio Input: RCA Back

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Gumby:

For input connection I have Display Name: HDPVR, Video Source: Bell (setup in Video Sources – Schedules Direct),External Channel CHange Command: /bin/true Preset Tuner Chan: 48, Starting Chan: 48

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Gumby:

what channel frequency table should be used when setting up the sources?

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Gumby:

I had left it at default

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brad2:

hey sphery, how goes the weekend?

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sphery:

good

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Gumby:

sphery: do you think my issue is 100% a mythtv issue or could it also be a driver issue? From all of the howto's I have read, mythtv is setup correctly

[20:13:25]

sphery:

no idea

[20:13:48]

sphery:

might want to verify that you can get the HD-PVR working outside of myth to determine which is misconfigured

[20:14:04]

Gumby:

its working using cat

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sphery:

probably myth config, then

[20:15:47]

sphery:

assuming you're using a current trunk version of myth

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Gumby:

yes, current as of yesterday

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** Gumby wonders if a verbose log would help at all. http://pastebin.ca/1516027 Error occours at line 83. This is a fresh start of mythbackend after a reboot of both the hd-pvr and pc **

[20:44:56]

kormoc:

Gumby, it's not calling your external channel change script

[20:45:31]

orogor:

i am watching corto maltese, are there any movie where they were crazy enought to change asoect ratio between scenes?

[20:45:35]

Gumby:

kormoc: do you have any idea why this might be? Currently its set to /bin/true. Is there something I need to do other than this?

[20:45:59]

kormoc:

Gumby, I don't know, but (re)reading the docs might shed some light

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Gumby:

ok, will see if I can figure it out. thank you

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kormoc:

orogor, at times it'll change in between the show and commercials

[20:49:04]

orogor:

well no, there s still the black borders around and the movie is 4/3 but i fell some scenes were done for 16/9 then slightly disrtorded then croped to 4/3

[20:49:19]

orogor:

also i have a channel i have no idea if mythtv will cope well with it

[20:50:29]

orogor:

it s nolife, each show and advertisement use it s own aspect ration at the broadcast time, that could seems like a bit weird and a bit saen , but usually it leads vlc to a crash after 3–4 aspect ration change in the same stream

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kormoc:

If you see it, it likely happened...

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orogor:

s/saen/sane

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kormoc:

shouldn't matter for myth, but if it is, open a bug report

[20:52:12]

orogor:

kormoc, do you provide helps for crashes on the irc or do i have to follow the "slow" wa of official bug reports?

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orogor:

i mean i can open the bug on the tracker myself , but at start there wont be enought infos for most crashes for the bug report to be helpfull

[20:53:15]

orogor:

only error in the consol

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iamlindoro:

A bug report on a VLC crash will not be well received

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kormoc:

If you're not going to get a backtrace/etc, then don't open it

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orogor:

yea, that was the question basicallyu

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iamlindoro:

We don't take bugs for other apps

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orogor:

i could but i d need soem help even for the backtrace, about 2 years i didnt made some

[20:54:33]

orogor:

iamlindoro, that s logical

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kormoc:

it's documented in the wiki

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orogor:

picon-beer that sgood when the beer is too light

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orogor:

corto maltese , is that even known out of france?

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iamlindoro:

Since its creator is Italian, not French, probably :)

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: I see you are in the #hdpvr channel as well. Is there any trick to getting the latest trunk to use the change channel script. mythtv doesnt seem to be recognizing mine. Ive tried a lirc one and also /bin/true but I keep getting errors that Ive been told are from myth not acknowledging the change channel script

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, Does the hdpvr show up as /dev/video0 normally?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, yeah

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iamlindoro:

(assuming no other analog devices)

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** kormoc nods **

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juski:

spoiling the paint work again? :-(

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laga:

i hope it's not the bike shed

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packet-sent:

Would a usb 2 DVB T device work with a usb 1 port,,,when I view the picture on the remote frontend it plays as though the device is not properly tunes, squeeks pops and blocky picture

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Gumby:

hehe

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juski:

packet-sent: usb2 is way faster than USB1, and you may be out of bandwidth on the bus

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juski:

so yeah it'd work but chances are it'd suck

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packet-sent:

looks like a new mobo else 1 of those pci usb 2 cards

[22:03:25]

iamlindoro:

USB 1 is like 11 Mbps

[22:03:40]

iamlindoro:

*one* DVB device will probably barely fit in after overhead

[22:03:46]

iamlindoro:

let alone two

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packet-sent:

if usb 1 is 11 mbs and I am only streaming round 1.5 mb then...

[22:06:20]

iamlindoro:

It's doubtful any of your channels is that low a bitrate

[22:06:20]

iamlindoro:

and it's possible it's trying to pull in the whole mux

[22:06:21]

iamlindoro:

and filtering in software

[22:06:33]

iamlindoro:

in which case, once again, not near enough bandwidth

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anykey_:

ah, where's that option to disable the mini-video in the program guide?

[22:10:18]

iamlindoro:

TV Settings->Playback

[22:11:00]

anykey_:

can't find it there, maybe I'm just blind

[22:11:29]

jams:

in the program guide? you can't do that with .21

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iamlindoro:

Ah, the guide, thought you meant watch recordings

[22:11:46]

iamlindoro:

And even in trunk, it's renderer/theme specific

[22:11:59]

anykey_:

ah

[22:12:07]

iamlindoro:

ie with VDPAU it's always disabled, or if the themer removes/adds it

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jams:

in .21 you can't even remove it from the theme otherwise it crashes

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juski:

muhahaha

[22:12:32]

jams:

however you can make it very very tiny

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juski:

rather than that daft screen I'd sooner have like a 'super browse' mode

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iamlindoro:

show the entire multiplex? :)

[22:13:38]

juski:

pfft no

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juski:

leave that to the likes of gbpvr

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** juski wonders if that's why gbee changed his nick the other day.. gbee's pvr? :-P **

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juski:

hmm. fever's back. bastard

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juski:

was looking fwd to being back at work tomorrow too

[22:17:17]

juski:

seriously

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iamlindoro:

LIES

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juski:

lol

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juski:

nah I want to be there. in the current climate you can't afford to turn your back in that place

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iamlindoro:

Two men enter, one man leaves

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gbee:

so go back to work, infect everyone and then you can have the place to yourself

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juski:

HR would prolly send me home for a week anyway. they did with the last person who was off with flu

[22:24:48]

** iamlindoro wonders why we have 8000 remote apps but those same people don't do squat for the actual program **

[22:24:58]

iamlindoro:

IMHO the remote problem is long since solved by... remotes

[22:25:02]

juski:

have to speak to them in the morning whatever happens. another 2 days off & I need a sick note, but the GPs are telling anybody who thinks they might have swine flu to stay away. so how the hell do you get a sick note?

[22:25:52]

juski:

iamlindoro: you miss the point entirely. 'Remotes' as you call them are simply NOT COOL. not even (heh) remotely

[22:26:13]

juski:

plus, think of the TOTAL control you can have

[22:26:49]

iamlindoro:

heh

[22:26:59]

juski:

you're at home watching TV, happy as anything, gesturing with your finger on the iPonce screen. Then a friend calls you asking if you want to go to the pub. You say yes, and go out for the rest of the night

[22:27:03]

iamlindoro:

mmm, total lack of physical feedback or ability to use without looking

[22:27:09]

juski:

thereby leaving the livingroom without a remote :D

[22:27:46]

juski:

iamlindoro: but these things are made to be constantly looked at & stroked ;-)

[22:27:48]

kormoc:

As a single, lonely man, that's okay ;)

[22:27:53]

sid3windr:

you're already using the remote as a phone!

[22:28:03]

Gumby:

this may be a long shot, but would using an mceusb remote and also using an hd-pvr cause the issues I am having with myth not recognizing the channel change script? I'm really lost as to what else it could be

[22:28:18]

juski:

no, we can't change channels. my mother is on the phone. heh

[22:28:24]

Gumby:

lol

[22:29:11]

juski:

Gumby: not recognising the script? wrong paths?

[22:29:22]

juski:

no permissions?

[22:29:34]

Gumby:

juski: permissions are ok, path is ok

[22:29:41]

juski:

not set up right then? ;-)

[22:29:51]

Gumby:

from the error Ive been getting Ive been told its not using the script

[22:29:52]

Gumby:

lol

[22:29:58]

Gumby:

yes, but I cant figure out why/how

[22:30:03]

juski:

that'd be the problem then

[22:30:26]

juski:

something you setup/didn't setup in 'video sources' IIRC

[22:30:59]

juski:

be nicer if companies gave STBs web interfaces eh

[22:31:11]

juski:

just use wget then :D

[22:31:23]

Gumby:

http://pastebin.ca/1516095

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kormoc:

juski, his channel change script he's using is /usr/bin/true

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juski:

kormoc: so that's erm.. never gonna change channels on anything

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Gumby:

I've also tried another

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kormoc:

juski, that's what he wants

[22:32:30]

Gumby:

I first just want to be able to see livetv in mythfrontend

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juski:

it's a very long time since I played with external video inputs

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Gumby:

then I'll work on the remote stuff. So I read setting /bin/true will work

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Gumby:

and set device to channel 3

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Gumby:

but even when starting mythbackend I get 2009-08–02 15:33:41.095 Channel(/dev/video0)::Tune(): Error -1 while setting frequency (v2): Invalid argument

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iamlindoro:

uhhh... set device to channel whatnow?

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juski:

did you set the tuner type to HDPVR?

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Gumby:

juski: yes

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iamlindoro:

"<Gumby> and set device to channel 3"

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** iamlindoro wants desperately to understand that **

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juski:

that error looks to me like it's moaning that it can't set a frequency.. which obviously it shouldn't be even thinking about for that kind of device, I'd have thought

[22:35:46]

Gumby:

iamlindoro: I've read multiple places that it needs to be set to channel 3

[22:35:48]

iamlindoro:

indeed it shouldn't

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iamlindoro:

Gumby, reference?

[22:35:56]

iamlindoro:

As that's shite

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: one second.

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Greek-B0y:

i just installed two Hauppauge WinTV-Nova-HD-S2 cards into my back-end

[22:36:41]

Greek-B0y:

doesn't wanny pickup any normal DVB-S channels :( or S2

[22:36:57]

iamlindoro:

The one and only accurate, complete set of instructions for the HD-PVR in myth is the wiki page

[22:37:30]

iamlindoro:

Which never makes any such mention-- nor should it, that's craziness

[22:37:49]

iamlindoro:

As the HD-PVR doesn't have a tuner, and thus doesn't have a pre-set channel dealie

[22:37:57]

iamlindoro:

but sounds an awful lot like that's your mistake

[22:39:01]

** kormoc wonders who uses mythmote and why **

[22:39:19]

Greek-B0y:

iamlindoro: we're not even referring to HD-PVR...

[22:39:27]

iamlindoro:

Greek-B0y, yes, we are

[22:39:32]

Greek-B0y:

this is a DVB-S card...

[22:39:36]

iamlindoro:

there was discussion before you joined, you know

[22:39:40]

iamlindoro:

and nobody is talking to you

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Greek-B0y:

oh

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juski:

iamlindoro: you must drop what you were doing NOW!

[22:39:46]

Gumby:

iamlindoro: well of course I didnt bookmark the howto I was reading last night :( But thats what two of them told me to do.

[22:39:47]

Greek-B0y:

my apologies

[22:39:51]

Greek-B0y:

iamlindoro: So sorry dude

[22:39:56]

iamlindoro:

Gumby, Both are wrong

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Gumby:

ok, good to know.

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** kormoc blinks at Greek-B0y **

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iamlindoro:

Gumby, follow the real directions on the wiki

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Greek-B0y:

:-)

[22:40:16]

iamlindoro:

And undo whatever that was

[22:40:22]

iamlindoro:

as that's your problem

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: thats where I started :( I'll start fresh with a clean db

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juski:

uncle bub's blog page fails again :D

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Gumby:

lol juski

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iamlindoro:

The preset tuner to blah blah should be left totally untouched

[22:41:00]

iamlindoro:

</end of help>

[22:41:24]

juski:

I've seen people tweeting about utter tosh howto guides for mythtv. people talking out of their ass & going to a load of effort in doing so

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iamlindoro:

I trust that this was an error of interpretation until I see an actual reference

[22:42:59]

iamlindoro:

As that step makes so little sense that I think I need to lie doqwn

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iamlindoro:

down

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juski:

wouldn't an HDPVR input need a starting channel, as with any other video input though?

[22:43:58]

iamlindoro:

Starting channel, not the old RF channel setting for analog tuners

[22:44:01]

iamlindoro:

which is what he's set

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iamlindoro:

ie "my VCR is always on 3"

[22:44:31]

iamlindoro:

ie, the one under start channel in mythtv-setup

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juski:

but the # that is sent to the channel change script is the freqid IIRC

[22:44:57]

iamlindoro:

He's never getting to the channel changer

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iamlindoro:

this problem has been 100% misinterpreted by the user, and sent troubleshooters in the wrong direction

[22:45:26]

iamlindoro:

its trying to set a device without a tuner to channel 3, as though it had an RF input

[22:45:26]

juski:

I'll defer to your knowledge then, since I've not seen mythtv-setup in trunk for months

[22:45:38]

iamlindoro:

in this case it's same as old settings

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juski:

ah the only way that could happen is if it's not set to use an external script AFAIK

[22:46:14]

juski:

otherwise it'd just try to send '3' or whatever the start channel is set to

[22:46:15]

iamlindoro:

This is the setting so that you can have a "dumb" RF tuner stay on frequency channel "X"

[22:46:44]

iamlindoro:

but as this device has no tuner of any kind, setting that setting to anything is both silly and causes breakage

[22:47:42]

juski:

now I've got to run mythtv-setup & reaquaint myself :)

[22:48:00]

sphery:

Preset tuner to channel: Leave this blank unless you have an external tuner that is connected to the tuner input of your card. If so, you will need to specify the preset channel for the signal (normally 3 or 4).

[22:48:51]

juski:

see, I said it'd been a long time

[22:48:57]

sphery:

aka, "I have legacy garbage external tuning devices that only output RF-modulated stuff or I'm too cheap to buy an S-Video/composite cable, so I'm foregoing quality for expediency"

[22:49:32]

sphery:

not worth re-acquanting--it's a useless setting that should /never/ be used :)

[22:49:45]

Gumby:

ahh. here is one video I saw http://www.diy-labs.com/gnulinux/configure-ha . . . tv-last-step

[22:50:02]

wagnerrp:

after installing the patch panel in the basement, and rerunning some lines so they all star off of there, instead of daisy-chain off other switches

[22:50:12]

wagnerrp:

i find myself in need of more network ports

[22:52:22]

sphery:

heh, MythDroid, now--Android remote for Myth--complements MythMote--iPhone/iPod Touch remote for Myth

[22:52:38]

sphery:

for people who'd rather watch their remotes than their TV... ;)

[22:53:03]

wagnerrp:

yeah... i dont get the naming for that

[22:53:13]

wagnerrp:

why not iMyth, or mythPod

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sphery:

though, really, the gesture support would allow you to flail around like an idiot while still keeping your eyes on the TV

[22:53:46]

wagnerrp:

or was it intended to be a webapp, instead of actually compiled for the iPhone?

[22:53:54]

sphery:

yeah, maybe they were afraid of lawsuit for calling it iMyth

[22:54:16]

wagnerrp:

apple has rights to all things i?

[22:54:18]

sphery:

requires patch on 0.21 source code

[22:54:31]

wagnerrp:

whatever happened to the cisco/linksys iPhone?

[22:54:42]

sphery:

actually, Intel owns i, but that won't stop Apple ;)

[22:55:40]

sphery:

anyone know if foobum is here?

[22:55:45]

sphery:

he told people to use the wrong patch

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wagnerrp:

does that mean IBM owns 'p' or something?

[22:56:01]

sid3windr:

linksys had an iphone before apple did

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sid3windr:

:)

[22:56:07]

juski:

maybe we should start getting ready for proper touchscreen support & prepare themes with what looks like bits of crumbs & sticky preserves covering parts of the screen

[22:56:28]

sphery:

seems linksys and apple settled: http://news.cnet.com/2100-1041_3-6161233.html

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sphery:

Well, 2 for 2, now...

[23:05:02]

sphery:

Pretty sure that neither the MyMote nor the MythDroid dev followed my advice for how to properly write their apps to use GetProgramGuide.

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sphery:

I'll assume that the MythDroid dev just didn't know about the conversation until he tells me he doesn't care to do it right.

[23:05:57]

sphery:

(Which doesn't really matter to me--only to all the users who have to patch their Myth because they didn't write the remote apps right.)

[23:05:58]

kormoc:

what's mythdroid for?

[23:06:05]

sphery:

MyMote for Android

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kormoc:

ahh, well, I'm hoping to kill them anyway

[23:06:31]

kormoc:

mythweb has a mobile webkit theme and I'm writing full remote support now

[23:06:39]

sphery:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-August/260903.html

[23:06:55]

sphery:

Would be nice if yours killed theirs

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orogor:

does deintaerlacer works with dvb streams?

[23:07:11]

sphery:

only the interlaced ones :)

[23:07:34]

sphery:

kormoc: didn't the MyMote dev basically abandon the idea/project or is it still going?

[23:07:56]

orogor:

what do you mean , if the streams amrks itself as deinterlaced already whatever settign i use i wont be able to deinterlace it ?

[23:08:01]

kormoc:

He requested Money to keep going, no idea if he got the amount he 'needed' or not

[23:08:33]

sphery:

orogor: if the frames within the video (as it's per-frame, /not/ per-stream) say they are progressive, Myth won't deinterlace them because they're not interlaced

[23:08:53]

sphery:

however, you can force it to think it's interlaced during playback and then it will run the deinterlacer

[23:09:09]

sphery:

but you're better off telling your broadcaster to fix the garbage they're sending out

[23:09:10]

orogor:

even if i set the option in the m menu to interlaced?

[23:09:22]

sphery:

kormoc: is he selling it on the Apple Store?

[23:09:38]

sphery:

orogor: that's how you tell Myth it's interlaced during playback

[23:09:39]

orogor:

sphery, i ll show you a screenshot

[23:09:46]

kormoc:

nah, it's free on the apple store and open source on google code

[23:10:15]

sphery:

ah, cool

[23:10:34]

kormoc:

Gesture support

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** kormoc blinks **

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sphery:

though he maybe would have found it easier to get the money had he charged some nominal fee

[23:10:43]

kormoc:

That's... gotta be awkward...

[23:10:53]

kormoc:

it's never to late

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sphery:

yeah, picture flailing around trying not to hit the other viewers in the room when you want to up the volume :)

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sphery:

(I'm assuming it's using the accelerometers, not just draw some symbol on the touchscreen)

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kormoc:

Nah, it's symbol drawing

[23:11:46]

sphery:

oh

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kormoc:

just.. there's no what is what anywhere

[23:11:57]

sphery:

so you do have to look at the remote to use it

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orogor:

http://www.imagebam.com/image/10931d44044397

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sphery:

documentation is for weenies

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sphery:

real Androids could figure it out themselves...

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orogor:

use the source luck

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sphery:

orogor: my guess is either you have a bad video playback profile configuration (my recommendation is to use the default configuration of Slim to start--as it works and is the easiest to make work)

[23:14:38]

orogor:

it set to high quality

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sphery:

orogor: or the broadcaster took some nice interlaced source material and maybe scaled it or stretched it or something and didn't properly deinterlace before doing so, so they've actually encoded the interlacing artifacts into the video

[23:15:05]

sphery:

(I see that relatively frequently)

[23:15:08]

juski:

broadcasters mark frames as mixed progressive/interlaced to save bandwidth

[23:15:16]

juski:

channel Five do it all the time here

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sphery:

orogor: switch to Slim and test it

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sphery:

high quality is one that's likely to not work properly

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Gumby:

iamlindoro: that seemed to work thanks so much

[23:16:12]

orogor:

the issue is that osd wil look horrible , but i ll try

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sphery:

I hate that the group is called "High Quality," so naive users think it's best

[23:16:18]

juski:

I think maybe a better way to do it would be to count frame scan types seen

[23:16:34]

juski:

so, say if there's a second's worth, switch profile

[23:16:59]

juski:

you can just see em changing res on the fly one day

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kormoc:

We don't have recording length anywhere do we?

[23:17:18]

juski:

endtime – starttime?

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kormoc:

nah, if you remove commercials or what not, it's not that

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orogor:

sphery, huymm, now that s deinterlacing

[23:17:45]

kormoc:

there was talk in adding it somewhere, donno if it was added or not

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sphery:

Gumby: there's a reason that setting says, "Leave this blank unless you have an external tuner that is connected to the tuner input of your card."

[23:18:24]

juski:

iamlindoro might know, I think it was he who suggested it at one point

[23:18:28]

sphery:

orogor: see, if you configure it properly, it does what you want

[23:18:32]

orogor:

my hi quality is set to normal , opengl and opengl2, apparently it s the only way to get a clea OSD

[23:19:04]

orogor:

unless vdpau deinterlace properly , then i ll buy a cdpay able card tomorow

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sphery:

orogor: and if your OSD looks "horrible", you can change the OSD settings for the playback profiles in the group (really, create your own custom rather than reconfiguring the one working group)

[23:19:23]

sphery:

orogor: opengl video rendering does not work

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sphery:

not supported in 0.21-fixes

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sphery:

not worth the effort in trunk

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Gumby:

sphery: :(

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orogor:

well it s horrible because it use the same resolution than the video

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orogor:

with opengl it use the screen resolution so it s sharp

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sphery:

well, you can find the mix you like

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sphery:

if the osd is more important to you than, er, the show it describes...

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gbee:

orogor: limitation of XVideo

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GreyFoxx:

That's what I love about the VDPAU renderer.. fullscreen OSD

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GreyFoxx:

err fullres

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GreyFoxx:

looks much nicer

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orogor:

GreyFoxx, and it deinterlace?

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GreyFoxx:

certainly

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sphery:

GreyFoxx: Well, when you have full-res video, Xv's no problem :)

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gbee:

though we could probably get around that limitation with swscaling

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GreyFoxx:

with VDPAU renderer the OSD is always fullres

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gbee:

^^

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GreyFoxx:

regardles of video res

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orogor:

with opengl too

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juski:

if you can get opengl to work, yeah

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juski:

I have working opengl on my FE but the gl renderer is crashy. prolly X to blame or something

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juski:

lucky I don't watch youtube much on TV :)

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sphery:

juski: no, the gl renderer doesn't really work

[23:24:18]

juski:

heh

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sphery:

juski: interest in it faded /very/ fast with the announcement of vdpau

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juski:

I bet it did

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sphery:

after all, the opengl renderer was nvidia only, anyway

[23:24:55]

juski:

it was? LOL no wonder I had problems on my intel chipset

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sphery:

and, for most, you could play one video, then no more until restarting X (or rebooting?)

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kormoc:

we should kill it then...

[23:25:20]

sphery:

pretty sure it required nvidia

[23:25:26]

sphery:

maybe that was only openglxvmc, though

[23:25:34]

sphery:

or xvmc-opengl

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sphery:

whatever

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juski:

it did actually *work* it was just finicky

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juski:

and deinterlacing sucked IIRC

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gbee:

opengl rendering always worked for me, but with vdpau it makes less sense

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orogor:

the seeker in the edit is very good

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orogor:

i dont reall understand why not using it as a normal seeker

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orogor:

as a result to move around i use the edit mode

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iamlindoro:

because nobody wants to stop the video, select how far to jump, then skip forward besides you?

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iamlindoro:

when you can easily set how far you want the seek and skip buttons to seek by default, and be done seeking long before you would using the edit dialog

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