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| [00:06:37] | sphery: | kormoc: not quite 2TB, but: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220406 |
| [00:08:48] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, just get 16 of those |
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| [00:10:04] | sphery: | at with the $25 discount on each, you're practically /making/ money doing that |
| [00:13:41] | gbee: | brad2: which driver? |
| [00:14:56] | kormoc: | woah, I'll just need a few usb hubs too! |
| [00:15:11] | ** kormoc likes the free 4gb stick with purchase of a 128 gb stick ** | |
| [00:17:22] | wagnerrp: | seems like it would be cheaper to buy full SSDs at that point |
| [00:23:17] | kormoc: | $240 for the cheapest 128 gb SSD |
| [00:23:40] | wagnerrp: | thats a good 30% less |
| [00:23:59] | brad2: | kormoc: i get that error, when i try to use vdpau in my tv profile |
| [00:24:12] | brad2: | and so it reverts back to xv-blitz (or something like that) |
| [00:24:48] | kormoc: | brad2, good for you? |
| [00:24:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Just compiled with your UPnP patch – Buffalo LinkTheater HD shows all the programs, but attempting to play one just blinks the screen black for 1 second, then returns to the menu. |
| [00:25:03] | sphery: | kormoc: but you don't get the free 4GB sticks and you don't save $25 |
| [00:25:14] | brad2: | oops, got my responses missed, i meant gbee. :) i'm a dolt! |
| [00:25:32] | sphery: | brad2: TTBOMK, the fallback from VDPAU to non-VDPAU is broken |
| [00:25:43] | sphery: | it's a known issue and being worked on |
| [00:25:56] | brad2: | ahhh okay |
| [00:26:38] | brad2: | i will keep plugging away, and try to figure out why vdpau doesn't like me :) |
| [00:27:15] | iamlindoro: | brad2, gbee asked you what driver version you were running |
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| [00:28:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: with "-v upnp" logging, going into a recording directory (ie: by title, A-Team) logs some messages, but actually selecting a recording for playback shows nothing. |
| [00:28:59] | brad2: | Nvidia 190.18 |
| [00:29:06] | brad2: | i think it was the newest one on the nvidia website |
| [00:29:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | !seen GreyFoxx |
| [00:29:21] | MythLogBot: | GreyFoxx is here and has been idle for 4 hours 15 minutes 34 seconds |
| [00:29:48] | sphery: | s/newest/newest beta/ |
| [00:30:14] | brad2: | should i revert to something older? |
| [00:30:18] | brad2: | what do most people use? |
| [00:31:17] | iamlindoro: | 180.60 |
| [00:31:34] | brad2: | okay i will try that |
| [00:31:36] | brad2: | thanks for the tip! |
| [00:31:45] | wagnerrp: | the 185 and 190 series drivers are known to cause issues |
| [00:32:05] | wagnerrp: | and the 190 series only entered public beta a week or so ago |
| [00:32:57] | sphery: | and has already caused people to post the advice "disable UseEvents", which goes against everything we've been trying to get users to do for the last 3 years |
| [00:33:42] | brad2: | yeah i should have thought more about which driver i was d/ling... it never even crossed my mind. Guess I have a bit of learning before i'm a "trunk user" :) |
| [00:33:51] | sphery: | not saying that you should enable UseEvents with 190.x, but saying that if UseEvents is broken, chances are the drivers are way more broken than any we've seen in a long time |
| [00:34:13] | sphery: | unless, of course, nvidia is completely redesigning the drivers or something |
| [00:34:17] | ** wagnerrp just stabbed himself with a pair of scissors ** | |
| [00:34:45] | sphery: | should get the school-house scissors with the round tips |
| [00:35:06] | sphery: | or the airline-approved plastic scissors with round tips |
| [00:35:20] | wagnerrp: | nah, i sliced open my finger on some broken glass about half an hour ago |
| [00:35:33] | wagnerrp: | and was trying to cut off the dead flap of skin |
| [00:35:49] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: Humm... might be my system, I reverted the change, and still can't play stuff via UPnP... ugh. :-( |
| [00:36:00] | sphery: | (I saw a woman knitting on a flight. She got to the point she had to cut the yard, got out some plastic scissors, and gnawed at the yarn for >5mins... It was rather depressing to think that she has to go through that.) |
| [00:36:10] | wagnerrp: | seems its rather difficult trying to type without using your index finger |
| [00:38:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: She probably would have had better luck using a house key to cut the yarn... |
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| [00:38:35] | wagnerrp: | 'sphery' does not start with a 'w' |
| [00:38:51] | clever: | J-e-f-f-A: just wait until the knitting needles get declared as a lethal weapon |
| [00:38:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: oops! ;-) sphery ^^^ |
| [00:39:02] | clever: | if youve seen enough csi, you know they can kill |
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| [00:39:23] | wagnerrp: | oh come on... i could kill you with a CD |
| [00:39:43] | wagnerrp: | and it wouldnt be all that difficult |
| [00:39:51] | clever: | wagnerrp: heck, you dont even need a weapon, people can kill each other just fine with there bare hands |
| [00:39:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | No kidding – anything could be a weapon... ^^ no kidding, snap it in half, and you've got some pretty sharp pieces... |
| [00:40:11] | wagnerrp: | clever: that take a bit of time |
| [00:40:21] | wagnerrp: | most people probably couldnt pull off breaking a neck |
| [00:40:28] | clever: | depends on how strong you are and where you aim for |
| [00:40:31] | wagnerrp: | and strangling someone takes a good minute or so |
| [00:41:04] | clever: | stabbing somebody doesnt instantly take him out either |
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| [00:41:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I'm beginning to think my Db is more 'borked' than I thought from that mistake a few months ago – since upnp isn't working properly either... :-( |
| [00:41:54] | sphery: | did you try the partial restore? |
| [00:42:05] | wagnerrp: | J-e-f-f-A: i wasnt thinking of snapping it in half |
| [00:42:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Not yet – just got home about 30 mins ago. |
| [00:42:19] | sphery: | see if it helps |
| [00:42:21] | wagnerrp: | just clip off one side to get a sharp edge |
| [00:42:40] | wagnerrp: | and now you have a palm rest and a nice finger hold to get a strong grip |
| [00:43:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: sharper edges then... ;-) ^^ yeah, basically what I was thinking. Could even snap it twice for an arrow-head edge... |
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| [00:58:07] | brad2: | thanks for the help guys, apparently i'm using an unsanctioned nvidia card |
| [00:58:18] | brad2: | so vdpau is out! (for the short term) |
| [00:58:42] | iamlindoro: | Ah, must be a GTX |
| [00:58:45] | wagnerrp: | unsanctioned? what do you have? |
| [00:58:51] | iamlindoro: | not so much unsanctioned as incapable |
| [00:58:57] | iamlindoro: | 8800 GTX |
| [00:59:09] | iamlindoro: | Hardware for VDPAU just ain't there |
| [00:59:21] | iamlindoro: | can replace it for $30 and have it working nicely, though |
| [00:59:23] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the GTX, and GTS 320 and 640 dont have the hardware to do it |
| [00:59:35] | wagnerrp: | and theres no reason to be running such a card in a mythtv box anyway |
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| [01:00:47] | brad2: | yeah i would agree :) I was just using my desktop in dual boot, to play around with .22. |
| [01:00:54] | brad2: | more as a learning box than anything |
| [01:01:01] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [01:01:39] | brad2: | will definitely get a new card for it though to test out vdpau, i am far too jealous of iamlindoro's 13.5mbps caps |
| [01:01:39] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... how do I display the existing collation in mysql to verify it's right... |
| [01:01:39] | brad2: | haha |
| [01:02:38] | wagnerrp: | you have an 8800GTX, and you dont have a matching processor that can do those rips in software? |
| [01:02:50] | wagnerrp: | you buy a low end quad core or something? |
| [01:02:55] | brad2: | i have a 2.4ghz dual core |
| [01:03:07] | brad2: | i can ALMOST do 13.5 in software |
| [01:03:15] | wagnerrp: | would have thought you had something beefier to go with that card |
| [01:03:23] | iamlindoro: | 2.4 might come close for VBR on HD-PVR stuff, but far from CBR |
| [01:03:28] | brad2: | if i kick down the bit rate to 5–10, it seems to work |
| [01:03:55] | brad2: | i may have picked a bad cpu at the time, but it was about 2 years ago, i think it was decently high end |
| [01:03:58] | brad2: | can't remember |
| [01:04:15] | iamlindoro: | 2.4 is fine, HD-PVR is a special case |
| [01:04:16] | wagnerrp: | well 2.4 was the low end of the original large cache Core2s |
| [01:04:21] | sphery: | iamlindoro: #6778 |
| [01:04:54] | iamlindoro: | Wheeee |
| [01:04:55] | wagnerrp: | you probably have plenty of headroom to OC that chip a bit |
| [01:04:56] | GreyFoxx: | nvidia+hue = poo |
| [01:05:04] | brad2: | yeah for the most part i have been pleased with it, the 2.4 combined with 8800gtx, and i had no probles with any games. |
| [01:05:12] | brad2: | OC makes me nervous, haha |
| [01:05:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: found it... 'select collation('mythconverg');' returns 'latin1_swedish_ci' |
| [01:07:49] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: note that there's a server collation (which sets default for new DB's), a database collation (which sets defaults for new tables), a table collation (which sets defaults for columns), and a column collation |
| [01:08:07] | sphery: | all of those got messed up when it started to convert your database encoding |
| [01:08:27] | sphery: | easiest way to fix it is to start over with a clean schema |
| [01:08:34] | sphery: | and then import the minimum data |
| [01:10:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Would I be able to do a backup, drop the DB, re-create it, and import all, or is there garbage that will re-import? |
| [01:10:46] | sphery: | if you import all, you'll create another broken schema and then import corrupt data |
| [01:10:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | Doh! |
| [01:11:10] | sphery: | you backup the DB, drop the DB, start mythtv-setup (which creates a brand new, correct schema), do a partial restore |
| [01:11:26] | sphery: | then go to mythtv-setup and configure, then mythfrontend and configure |
| [01:11:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | how much data will I lose with a partial restore? |
| [01:11:35] | sphery: | then to each plugin and configure/get data |
| [01:12:01] | sphery: | you'll save all of your recordings and recording rules (though they may not all work properly--depending on the severity of the breakage) |
| [01:12:07] | sphery: | but you'll lose all your configuration |
| [01:12:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ok, I can deal with that. |
| [01:12:34] | sphery: | but on the bright side, it will force you to look through all the settings, which means you'll see all the ones that were added since you originally configured many years ago |
| [01:12:42] | sphery: | so you can set them to your preferences rather than defaults |
| [01:13:17] | sphery: | make sure you use the restore script for the partial import, though |
| [01:13:23] | sphery: | the instructions in the HOWTO are broken |
| [01:13:29] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [01:15:23] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Thanks. I don't know if I'll get it done tonight, but I'll definitely work on it. |
| [01:15:33] | sphery: | good luck |
| [01:17:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | Thanks. ;-) |
| [01:17:15] | brad2: | on another machine i have laying around, i have a AMD Athlon 64 X2 4000+ |
| [01:17:29] | brad2: | if i got a proper vdpau card, it would probably handle these hd caps? |
| [01:18:01] | wagnerrp: | using VDPAU, just about anything north of a pentium 1 could handle HDPVR content |
| [01:18:15] | superdug: | brad2: sphery is a firm believer in using a computer thats just laying around for myth |
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| [01:18:28] | wagnerrp: | ALL video decoding is done on the graphics card |
| [01:18:44] | brad2: | excellent, that can be my weekend project :) |
| [01:18:47] | wagnerrp: | so the only thing you need the CPU for is some data streaming, and audio decoding |
| [01:19:09] | wagnerrp: | now that's not to say the OSD on such a machine would be painful to use |
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| [01:19:18] | sphery: | superdug: heh, yeah, any old garbage |
| [01:19:18] | wagnerrp: | s/would/wouldnt/ |
| [01:19:27] | brad2: | oooh good point |
| [01:19:53] | wagnerrp: | and thats also not saying VDPAU is the perfect solution |
| [01:19:58] | superdug: | sphery: hence why I recommended you and your love of underpowered myth frontends |
| [01:20:04] | wagnerrp: | it tends to hiccup on any flaws in the bitstream |
| [01:20:25] | wagnerrp: | and depending on the severity, may drop out of playback all together |
| [01:20:56] | brad2: | well that's the life of a test system :) |
| [01:21:20] | brad2: | but i want to thank you all, in spite of all my super low level questions, you guys have been awesome |
| [01:21:27] | brad2: | i feel like i have learned alot over the past few |
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| [02:04:37] | McNever: | ok guys... remote question... |
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| [02:04:59] | McNever: | i've got an mce remote |
| [02:05:26] | McNever: | remote works... i'm trying to map the 'back' button to the esc key |
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| [02:06:42] | McNever: | i'm looking in the lircd.conf.mceusb file and that appears to map a value recieved from the remote to something... but im not sure what maps that to an actual key... |
| [02:08:03] | clever: | McNever: there is a 2nd file, lircrc that maps those button names to keys on the keyboard |
| [02:08:22] | clever: | cant find mine, but you can search that on the mythtv docs |
| [02:09:16] | McNever: | woot... exactly what i was looking for |
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| [02:16:36] | McNever: | found it |
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| [02:18:48] | McNever: | it was in /home/user/.lirc/mythtv |
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| [02:31:01] | sphery: | So many things I could say about, "Another thought on nVidia overscan" |
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| [02:32:40] | superdug: | yeah yeah so I know mac isn't a supported official port ... |
| [02:33:27] | superdug: | but recently when playing back recorded (non-transcoded) recordings |
| [02:33:32] | superdug: | mac os ... dies |
| [02:34:13] | josh_: | "Dies?" i'll have to check my troubleshooting chart for that symptop |
| [02:34:16] | superdug: | however I don't think this is myth related ... as playing the same files via vlc outside of myth-frontend all together also crashes the system |
| [02:34:24] | superdug: | josh_: kernel panic |
| [02:34:47] | josh_: | superdug, my first thought is you've got a borked lib |
| [02:34:50] | superdug: | there's nothing fancy about recording mpeg-2 .. it just ... records it right? |
| [02:35:04] | superdug: | josh_: it's happened twice before |
| [02:35:16] | josh_: | superdug, recording mpeg-2 from a digital source is just saved to disk |
| [02:35:23] | superdug: | damn |
| [02:35:50] | josh_: | Silly, silly mac users :) |
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| [02:37:38] | josh_: | I dont know how to troubleshoot kernel panics though. I do belive your problem is related to OSX (or whatever Mac OS your'e running) |
| [02:38:08] | superdug: | josh_: well that's the thing ... there's no "last breath" or relevant information when it panics |
| [02:38:11] | josh_: | Try playing back the clip with mplayer, rather than VLC |
| [02:38:29] | iamlindoro: | kernel panic strongly implies driver issues or initial signs of hardware (RAM) failure |
| [02:38:36] | josh_: | superdug, you'll have to set up some sort of debugging mode I think. |
| [02:38:46] | superdug: | it just turns the screen into a big power button and tells you to reboot in a couple of dozen different languages |
| [02:38:59] | superdug: | iamlindoro: memtest for 24 hours reported no such errors |
| [02:39:11] | josh_: | Typical Mac, no problem getting the point across when the hardware dies :) |
| [02:39:31] | iamlindoro: | superdug, Good thing that wasn't the only thing I posited then |
| [02:39:42] | josh_: | superdug, prime95 would be my next trial |
| [02:41:13] | iamlindoro: | plus, System RAM isn't the only kind of ram that can get nuked |
| [02:41:30] | superdug: | iamlindoro: yeah ... seems to be an mpeg-2 problem though |
| [02:41:43] | superdug: | going through some stuff with the hackint0sh users |
| [02:41:44] | iamlindoro: | extraordinarily doubtful |
| [02:41:59] | iamlindoro: | so.. it's not an actual Mac? |
| [02:42:06] | superdug: | of course not :-) |
| [02:42:22] | iamlindoro: | ugh |
| [02:42:32] | iamlindoro: | nobody is going to be able to help you with this problem, then |
| [02:42:53] | iamlindoro: | IME the Mac port works fine.. but that relies on you using the actual hardware all the drivers/software were written for |
| [02:43:10] | superdug: | short of the EFI ... hardware is the same |
| [02:43:15] | iamlindoro: | What hardware? |
| [02:43:26] | superdug: | I installed from the Leopard retail disk I bought |
| [02:43:34] | iamlindoro: | What *specific* hardware |
| [02:43:53] | superdug: | core2duo, intel gma video, sata harddrive |
| [02:44:03] | iamlindoro: | That is not specific |
| [02:44:41] | iamlindoro: | Unless you are running on the *exact* mobo chipset and *exact* GPU chipset used (down to the model numbers), you are *not* on the same hardware |
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| [02:45:25] | superdug: | iamlindoro: it's cool, I'm not asking for help here ... just wanted to clarify my assumptions about video saving |
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| [02:45:53] | iamlindoro: | Your assumptions are correct-- and with about 90% certainty I will say that your issue is caused by having subtly different hardware than the mac OS X drivers were written for |
| [02:46:38] | iamlindoro: | Which could be something as simple as having a variation of one revision on the GPU |
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| [02:48:00] | Shadow__X: | hello everybody |
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| [02:57:52] | wagnerrp: | hello dr nick |
| [02:58:35] | Shadow__X: | so you dont need your kidneys right |
| [02:58:39] | Shadow__X: | i forgot the rest |
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| [03:00:16] | sphery: | You've tried the best, now try the rest! |
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| [03:02:24] | dewman: | Anyone using the hd homerun? |
| [03:02:41] | iamlindoro: | many, many, people.. but you should probably ask an actual question |
| [03:03:07] | josh_: | preferably a pointed question. |
| [03:03:55] | dewman: | I was thinking about getting one....Just wanted to know if they were simple to setup,use,quality of encoding... |
| [03:04:15] | iamlindoro: | They are easy to set up, and do no encoding at all |
| [03:04:31] | iamlindoro: | digital doesn't work that way-- Your broadcaster encodes the material, digital tuners just dump it to disk |
| [03:04:41] | josh_: | dewman, just remember that it's two digital-only tuners |
| [03:05:11] | josh_: | Most basic cable servies are mostly analog channels |
| [03:05:11] | sphery: | or dump it to the network, as the case may be |
| [03:05:56] | sphery: | dewman: and it only picks up unencrypted digital |
| [03:06:11] | sphery: | and most non-basic cable is encrypted |
| [03:06:28] | dewman: | I was thinking of just getting one for ota...PBS recordings for the kiddo.... |
| [03:06:28] | sphery: | i.e. you're likely to be able to get your local OTA channels via cable with an HDHR |
| [03:06:43] | sphery: | for OTA, it would work well |
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| [03:08:12] | dewman: | I've been reading the wiki and it seems like this might just be the best route. |
| [03:09:45] | dewman: | So since its already in mpeg2, can I take those recordings and dump them to a dvd? |
| [03:10:01] | iamlindoro: | Depends |
| [03:10:06] | sphery: | you'd have to recode them |
| [03:10:14] | iamlindoro: | if they're non-DVD resolutions, they need transcoding |
| [03:10:22] | iamlindoro: | if they're DVD supported resolution and bitrate, they need remuxing |
| [03:10:30] | sphery: | they will almost definitely be the wrong size (DVD maxes out at 720x480 for NTSC) and will not contain DVD nav packets |
| [03:10:37] | iamlindoro: | so either way, it can be either a small amount of work, or a large amount |
| [03:10:51] | sphery: | MythArchive can help, though |
| [03:11:12] | sphery: | however, in many cases, you'll find that remuxing can cause all sorts of audio/video sync issues |
| [03:11:39] | sphery: | and you'll find that it's often a large amount of work |
| [03:12:11] | ** iamlindoro is a fan of ffmpeg -i infile -f dvd outfile.mpg and then some dvdauthor jiggery pokery ** | |
| [03:12:43] | sphery: | but only when it doesn't require resampling to a smaller resolution, right? |
| [03:12:59] | iamlindoro: | no, the ffmpeg command transcodes as necessary |
| [03:13:03] | sphery: | ahh |
| [03:13:18] | sphery: | thought you had to explicitly specify that stuff |
| [03:13:31] | iamlindoro: | the dvd template handles it |
| [03:13:53] | iamlindoro: | and sorry, it's -target ntsc-dvd |
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| [03:16:38] | dewman: | Yeah it appears the archive will be my friend.... |
| [03:17:00] | dewman: | Already found a few items..... Test scripts and what not... Thanks for your help... |
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| [03:18:47] | wagnerrp: | my joystick keeps causing my computer to crash |
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| [03:27:54] | Shadow__X: | driver? |
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| [03:32:32] | wagnerrp: | dont know... the secondary unit becomes unresponsive |
| [03:32:42] | wagnerrp: | and this last time, it crashed when i pulled the usb plug |
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| [04:17:11] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, any r3ecommendations for a full backup of a windows system that would be restored over network through a usb flash drive |
| [04:18:09] | wagnerrp: | ironically... i just tried out the backup options in windows 7 |
| [04:18:22] | wagnerrp: | ive now got some 18GB of crap sitting on my raid array |
| [04:18:32] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [04:18:32] | wagnerrp: | with no clue just what im supposed to do with it |
| [04:18:54] | wagnerrp: | presumably, theres an option on the boot-dvd to recover off a networked backup |
| [04:19:13] | Shadow__X: | yeah there is |
| [04:19:14] | wagnerrp: | there was some menu option to make a recovery disk |
| [04:19:31] | Shadow__X: | except this backup would be for a netbook |
| [04:19:38] | wagnerrp: | whats the difference |
| [04:19:44] | iamlindoro: | norton ghost |
| [04:19:49] | wagnerrp: | that just means its going to be an even smaller hard drive, and easier to back up |
| [04:20:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah... you can usually find deals on norton ghost for next to free |
| [04:20:45] | wagnerrp: | they pay you $5 to take it after half a dozen of rebates or so |
| [04:20:47] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, the difference is no cdrom |
| [04:20:54] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [04:20:56] | wagnerrp: | eh... so |
| [04:21:04] | wagnerrp: | netboot the tool |
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| [04:21:56] | wagnerrp: | seems my desktop scored a 5.2... |
| [04:22:28] | wagnerrp: | for what i consider to be a relatively cheap, middling performance machine... everything got over a 6 on their 'performance score thingy' |
| [04:22:31] | wagnerrp: | except the hard drive |
| [04:22:39] | Shadow__X: | thats good |
| [04:22:50] | wagnerrp: | i suppose thats what i get for still using some 80GB samsung disk from back in 2004 |
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| [04:23:12] | ** wagnerrp has really grown fond of samsung ** | |
| [04:25:36] | wagnerrp: | looks like the memory score is only based off size, rather than speed |
| [04:25:41] | wagnerrp: | thats certainly useful... |
| [04:25:54] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, http://pastebin.ca/1511845 |
| [04:26:07] | wagnerrp: | somehow my graphics card is capable of using 2303MB of memory |
| [04:27:34] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, it's from #6346 it seems |
| [04:28:15] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Means you're compiling Mythvideo against a copy of myth that didn't have the mythtv portion of the patch applied |
| [04:28:25] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [04:28:32] | kormoc: | I was sure I did, but perhaps I screwed up... |
| [04:28:37] | iamlindoro: | hmm, hold on a sec |
| [04:28:54] | kormoc: | 21055 is the vertion I'm targeting |
| [04:29:36] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Can you pastebin lines 90–100 or so of playercommand.cpp? |
| [04:29:50] | iamlindoro: | starting with static VideoPlayHandleMedia *Create(const QString &handler, |
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| [04:29:56] | iamlindoro: | and going for 20 or so lines |
| [04:30:20] | kormoc: | http://pastebin.ca/1511850 |
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| [04:32:18] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Definitely seems you are, in the mythtv part, missing the patch to mythmainwindow.h |
| [04:32:23] | iamlindoro: | (and .cpp) |
| [04:32:26] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: looks like you *can* make a USB recovery disk using some ass backwards route.... http://multidisciplinary.wordpress.com/2009/0 . . . ndows-7-x64/ |
| [04:32:40] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Can you check mythtv/libs/libmythui/mythmainwindow.h, line 20? |
| [04:32:50] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, should be typedef int (*MediaPlayCallback)(const QString &, const QString &, const QString &, const QString &, const QString &, int, int, int, const QString &); |
| [04:33:12] | iamlindoro: | and if that's there, then it seems that's not the version you're compiling plugins against |
| [04:33:21] | kormoc: | nope, it's not that |
| [04:33:25] | ** kormoc peers at his patches ** | |
| [04:33:58] | kormoc: | oh wait |
| [04:33:59] | iamlindoro: | looks like that part of my patch got missed on your end somehow |
| [04:34:00] | kormoc: | it is |
| [04:34:16] | iamlindoro: | find the line that goes "bool HandleMedia(const QString& handler, const QString& mrl," |
| [04:34:21] | iamlindoro: | and pastebin the next 15 or so |
| [04:34:22] | kormoc: | they're the same |
| [04:34:44] | wagnerrp: | you know... after tinkering with the backend protocol, im understanding just how vitally important bindings are |
| [04:34:53] | kormoc: | http://pastebin.ca/1511854 |
| [04:34:58] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, that link isnt looking good |
| [04:35:07] | wagnerrp: | ive managed to crash my backend about half a dozen times from bad inputs |
| [04:35:21] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, It seems like you are not compiling mythvideo against that library, then |
| [04:35:27] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, the no matching function call is showing the wrong signature |
| [04:35:37] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: yeah... well im not trying to type it out again |
| [04:35:43] | wagnerrp: | you can spend the 3 minutes on google if you want |
| [04:35:46] | kormoc: | or my patch isn't applying correctly |
| [04:35:50] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [04:35:56] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Yeah, there's some other version of that library that it's picking up first |
| [04:36:47] | iamlindoro: | something is definitely funky there |
| [04:36:49] | kormoc: | nah, it's not applying correctly, whoops |
| [04:37:50] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, So a hunk didn't get applied? |
| [04:37:52] | kormoc: | aye |
| [04:38:09] | iamlindoro: | I can create a diff against 21059 if you like |
| [04:38:26] | iamlindoro: | everything *should* apply clean with no offsets, so it confuses me if a hunk got rejected |
| [04:38:38] | kormoc: | nah, it was a stupid mistake on my end |
| [04:38:45] | kormoc: | I had the strip offset wrong |
| [04:38:49] | iamlindoro: | ahhhh |
| [04:38:54] | iamlindoro: | that would do it :) |
| [04:39:16] | kormoc: | and in my haste, I didn't actually validate the patch was good before continuing on the compile :P |
| [04:39:33] | iamlindoro: | Heh, should (hopefully) work this time |
| [04:39:58] | kormoc: | yup, compiled and happy :) |
| [04:40:02] | iamlindoro: | whew |
| [04:40:03] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [04:40:37] | kormoc: | sorry bout the noise! |
| [04:40:41] | iamlindoro: | Not at all |
| [04:40:52] | iamlindoro: | you can apologize by trying the new shinies and saying nice things ;) |
| [04:41:12] | iamlindoro: | Graphite is probably the theme that is best tuned for them, btw |
| [04:42:07] | iamlindoro: | With any luck you have some TV files in your mythvideo stuff, named in some sort of sane way, and you can see the fancy auto-parsing of filenames |
| [04:42:30] | kormoc: | Still need to fix the audio yet before I can really play |
| [04:42:34] | iamlindoro: | ie "Lost 5x01 – Subtitle.mpg" will become Title=Lost, Subtitle=Subtitle, Season=5, Episode=1 |
| [04:43:44] | iamlindoro: | And Ctrl-S in Mythvideo for the search, and... well, you can read the ticket and see all the other stuff |
| [04:44:37] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
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| [04:51:53] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, http://blog.costan.us/2009/03/ubuntu-810-or-904-on-mac-mini.html |
| [04:52:01] | iamlindoro: | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/343989 |
| [04:52:09] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, I know you're not ubuntu, but a possible helpful module option |
| [04:52:19] | iamlindoro: | options snd-hda-intel model=imac24 |
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| [05:06:02] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, yeah, I've been using that so far |
| [05:06:08] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok |
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| [05:16:30] | wagnerrp: | whats this about downgrading to '180.18.14'? |
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| [05:18:52] | iamlindoro: | Switching to a driver that doesn't exist is by definition a downgrade ;) |
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| [05:37:37] | kormoc_: | and I have audio now, woo |
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| [05:37:54] | kormoc: | although it's *quiet* |
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| [05:52:48] | kormoc: | anyone recall how to get the on screen keyboard working? |
| [05:56:46] | kormoc: | Oh my, VDPAU is rocking this HDPVR test samples, 3% cpu for 13.5 mbit |
| [06:01:21] | jblack: | kormoc: I think hit select/ok on an input box? |
| [06:01:37] | kormoc: | hrm, that's what I thought too, but it's only putting a space in it |
| [06:08:12] | FisherPrice70: | should my DVB tuner be listed in a lspci (it is a pci card) |
| [06:12:24] | kormoc: | yes |
| [06:13:26] | FisherPrice70: | thought so |
| [06:14:18] | FisherPrice70: | hrm |
| [06:14:50] | FisherPrice70: | I think it's borked somehow. It's weird I don't see my dvb card, but V4L can find it? |
| [06:14:51] | FisherPrice70: | how? |
| [06:15:13] | FisherPrice70: | as in I can't see it in a lspci |
| [06:15:52] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: amazingly, i cant seem to not trigger the OSK |
| [06:21:42] | sphery: | Is "Use line edit virtual keyboards" enabled for you (in Appearance)? |
| [06:21:52] | kormoc: | I tried both with it enabled and disabled |
| [06:22:07] | kormoc: | space was a space in both modes |
| [06:22:31] | sphery: | only some places use it... maybe that one doesn't, yet |
| [06:22:37] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [06:22:45] | kormoc: | this was the playback profile new name field |
| [06:24:11] | sphery: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6661#comment:1 |
| [06:24:16] | sphery: | space no longer triggers it |
| [06:24:47] | kormoc: | did return as well, so no joy there, oh well |
| [06:24:58] | kormoc: | I ended up just hitting M and then updating the database :P |
| [06:26:05] | sphery: | I really don't remember if the settings pages ever had the virtual keyboard support... |
| [06:26:55] | sphery: | I'd try, but when I close mythfrontend/mythtv-setup after ssh X-forwarding to this computer (with ATI proprietary drivers), it crashes X |
| [06:27:28] | sphery: | I really need to get my new install done |
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| [07:22:32] | kormoc: | Hrm |
| [07:22:46] | kormoc: | Anyway I can get around the Jamu fatal error about the storage groups? |
| [07:22:54] | kormoc: | I know it's unsupported, but it should still work... |
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| [08:22:57] | wagnerrp: | gah.... people and their broken mail clients not properly using the 'reply-to' field |
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| [08:35:10] | juski: | there's an easy answer to that. stop reading the mailing lists :P |
| [08:35:54] | laga: | i tried it and it worked for me! thanks, juski! |
| [08:36:30] | juski: | I miss hearing that |
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| [08:54:06] | gravisan: | hi all |
| [08:54:27] | gravisan: | does anyone know why mythtv sets the volume to 70% in the alsa mixer everytime a video starts? |
| [08:58:14] | ** gravisan gets out fgrep ** | |
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| [09:24:20] | gravisan: | oh there it is |
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| [09:56:18] | jduggan: | mot abandoned due to cutting out |
| [09:56:22] | jduggan: | ho shiat |
| [09:56:28] | gravisan: | ? :o |
| [09:56:30] | jduggan: | expensive day at the garage no doubt |
| [09:56:38] | jduggan: | ;S |
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| [10:03:47] | laga: | hablas ingles? |
| [10:06:04] | sid3windr: | no hablo ingles, yo no soy marniero, soy capitan! |
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| [10:06:33] | gravisan: | soy pirate!! |
| [10:07:25] | sid3windr: | pirate capitan! :D |
| [10:08:07] | gravisan: | si |
| [10:08:17] | gravisan: | hah :) |
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| [12:02:29] | juski: | see Linus has managed to scare off another kernel dev |
| [12:05:28] | jduggan: | yea |
| [12:05:36] | jduggan: | stoopid |
| [12:06:13] | juski: | sad, too |
| [12:06:46] | jduggan: | yea |
| [12:08:54] | gravisan: | that was lol |
| [12:09:13] | gravisan: | i would have rage quit too |
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| [12:15:27] | stuarta: | ? |
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| [12:23:23] | gbee: | http://www.h-online.com/open/Dispute-between- . . . /news/113882 |
| [12:24:43] | stuarta: | uhoh |
| [12:24:48] | stuarta: | Alan is a legend |
| [12:25:58] | mzb: | hissy fit x2 ? |
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| [12:27:46] | mzb: | ah hang on .. Linus is my age. Maybe he's going through midlife crisis too? ;)) |
| [12:29:11] | mzb: | (I haven't worked out what mine is yet) |
| [12:29:49] | ** mzb turns into a problem waiting to happen ** | |
| [12:30:53] | stuarta: | i think i might side with linus on this one |
| [12:31:05] | stuarta: | breaking user space is bad mkay.... |
| [12:31:38] | stuarta: | unless there truly is a reason to cause it to break |
| [12:31:45] | stuarta: | in this case there isn't |
| [12:34:34] | mzb: | so AC needs to remember his place in the order of all things Linu(x|s) ? |
| [12:34:57] | ** stuarta reads more stuff ** | |
| [12:35:16] | gbee: | I can see both sides of the argument, but I'd agree it was a silly thing for Alan to take a stand over and even sillier for him to commit self-immolation |
| [12:35:32] | stuarta: | no, i've an enormous amount of respect for Alan, he's being doing great stuff on the kernel from way back |
| [12:35:50] | stuarta: | he might get over it in a few days time |
| [12:36:12] | stuarta: | he can't even go on holiday without taking a laptop and a mobile so he can read email |
| [12:36:46] | mzb: | without even reading the evidence it sounds like the real issue is something else (wild guess) |
| [12:37:21] | gbee: | yeah don't get me wrong, I have great respect for Alan too and all kernel devs |
| [12:37:44] | ** stuarta is now leaning back to the other side of the argument ** | |
| [12:38:07] | stuarta: | http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/28/517 |
| [12:38:25] | stuarta: | down the bottom where there's a code snippet starting with read(fd, buf, lots); |
| [12:38:26] | ** mzb sets fire to the fence that stuarta might think about sitting on ;) ** | |
| [12:38:43] | stuarta: | i don't sit on fences. barbed wire huts |
| [12:38:45] | stuarta: | hurts |
| [12:38:48] | mzb: | :)) |
| [12:39:01] | mzb: | even worse if it's still hot ;) |
| [12:39:09] | stuarta: | or electrified |
| [12:39:26] | mzb: | heh |
| [12:39:31] | ** stuarta reserves the right to place 1 foot on either side of said fence ** | |
| [12:39:56] | stuarta: | seems the old kdesu is just plain broken |
| [12:40:06] | ** stuarta sets fire to it and goes for a cuppa ** | |
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| [12:40:41] | ** mzb reserves the right to increase the height of said fence to within 1" of stuarta's private parts ;) [not including aforesaid barbed-wire] ** | |
| [12:42:16] | ** mzb decides to watch yesterday's recordings thanks to the massive amount of hard work from the thousands(?) of Linux kernel devs, mythtv-devs .... and so on ** | |
| [12:44:26] | stuarta: | :-p |
| [12:45:14] | gbee: | stuarta: heh, I was off reading the lkml as you posted that, yeah kdesu is broken |
| [12:45:37] | stuarta: | i now agree with both of them |
| [12:45:38] | gbee: | well the old kdesu |
| [12:45:57] | stuarta: | yeah, what fool runs latest kernel and an old kdesu?? |
| [12:46:51] | gbee: | seems there are multiple issues and I'm not about to spend the rest of the day trying to understand the TTY code so I'll abstain |
| [12:46:56] | mzb: | it's an event like this that reminds me of Bill Gates' comment years ago regarding his lack of concern about Linux as a threat [to his business] |
| [12:47:08] | gbee: | but that kdesu is definately broken |
| [12:47:32] | stuarta: | M$ did a major case of pot calling kettle black today |
| [12:47:44] | gbee: | mzb: oh it happens all the time in the commercial world, it just doesn't always make headlines like it does in open source |
| [12:48:03] | mzb: | any excuse for a press opportunity? |
| [12:48:11] | stuarta: | basically saying that "it's right that we try to break the dominance of a single supplier in a market" |
| [12:48:16] | stuarta: | in reference to google |
| [12:48:21] | mzb: | (aka: unpaid advertising) |
| [12:48:33] | gbee: | difference between OSS and commercial is that all the dirty laundry gets aired in public |
| [12:48:45] | mzb: | yep |
| [12:49:02] | mzb: | well .. yeah |
| [12:49:14] | mzb: | apart from the pay rates ;) |
| [12:50:00] | gbee: | stuarta: they must be aware of the irony, it's a case of challenging their critics to look towards google |
| [12:50:32] | stuarta: | i'm sure the tongue was firmly in the side of the cheek as they said that |
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| [13:03:25] | brad2: | if I get alot of NVP(0) : prebuffering pause lines in my mythfrontend log, that just means my Cpu isn't fast enough to software decode my hd recordings? |
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| [13:10:29] | gbee: | probably, what does top say at the time? |
| [13:11:56] | brad2: | hovering right about 100% :) |
| [13:12:19] | stuarta: | well there's your answer |
| [13:12:47] | brad2: | i'm looking at buying one of these nvidia vdpau cards to help out. looking at the wiki, is there any major difference between VP2 and VP3? |
| [13:12:53] | stuarta: | less than 24hrs after Alan being silly, him and linus were having sensible conversations about the bug again |
| [13:12:54] | brad2: | should i only get a vp3 card? |
| [13:14:57] | AndyCap: | some breakage of userland wouldn't hurt from time to time, unless one wants to end up like windows |
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| [13:16:12] | gbee: | now that I can agree with, code that relies on quirks or incorrect expectations has to broken from time to time |
| [13:17:50] | AndyCap: | carrying along all kinds of hacks and compatibility with previous brokenness gets tedious, and consumes a lot of resources. |
| [13:18:34] | stuarta: | ah the good old days, when you had to update glibc and the kernel every 2nd week |
| [13:18:48] | ** stuarta remebers it was just libc back then ** | |
| [13:19:02] | AndyCap: | the good old days when you could fit the kernel source on a floppy. |
| [13:19:05] | AndyCap: | :> |
| [13:19:25] | AndyCap: | haha, lwn.net headline: "A tempest in a tty pot" |
| [13:19:27] | stuarta: | heh. i had the whole system including X installed in a 100Mb partition |
| [13:20:29] | AndyCap: | unfortunately it seems they've managed to keep kernel growth in line with cpu and disk speed so it takes as long if not longer to build a kernel today. :P |
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| [13:35:04] | j-rod: | yay. I finally have a (nother) vdpau capable card on the way. |
| [13:35:41] | j-rod: | xris: ^^^ this will force me to fix up nvidia support in the rpmfusion svn trunk packages... :) |
| [13:37:03] | j-rod: | very seriously considered getting a second one too... ordered a pci-e 9600gt, but thought long and hard about grabbing a pci 9500gt as well... |
| [13:37:36] | j-rod: | if only because it would be humorous to see this ancient compaq deskpro en (p3/933) I have trying to play back hdtv material |
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| [13:48:00] | brad2: | jrod: what made you pick the 9600gt? i'm also looking to purchase today, would love recommendations |
| [13:51:56] | j-rod: | brad2: it was cheap |
| [13:52:00] | j-rod: | :) |
| [13:52:34] | j-rod: | well, cheap ($55) and 9500GT+ or 8600GT+ can do advanced 2x deint |
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| [13:52:48] | j-rod: | which is supposed to be the best deinterlacer |
| [13:53:13] | j-rod: | it was a refurb at newegg |
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| [13:53:32] | brad2: | so 9500GT or 9600GT is a good purchase? I was thinking of getting the 9500 |
| [13:53:53] | j-rod: | yeah, 9500 should be just as good for mythtv purposes |
| [13:54:17] | brad2: | excellent, thank you for the advice |
| [13:54:21] | Essobi: | Morning... WEEEEE! |
| [13:54:27] | j-rod: | the 9600 does more streams, but once you hit the 9500, there are more than enough already |
| [13:54:48] | j-rod: | 9500 is typically 32 stream processors, 9600 64 |
| [13:54:55] | j-rod: | (if I'm thinking clearly) |
| [13:55:04] | j-rod: | 9400 usually 16 |
| [13:55:34] | brad2: | and what do the streams do? |
| [13:55:45] | j-rod: | vdpau stuff |
| [13:55:50] | brad2: | ahh, got it |
| [13:55:51] | stuarta: | magic |
| [13:55:54] | brad2: | haha |
| [13:56:01] | brad2: | the streams do the voodoo! ;) |
| [13:56:57] | stuarta: | stream _processors_ |
| [13:57:08] | stuarta: | the streams are the data :-p |
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| [14:26:57] | gbee: | whoa, performance of this new drive is pretty impressive, copying recordings back over to it and it's flying |
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| [14:27:43] | SlicerDicer: | join #winehq |
| [14:27:45] | SlicerDicer: | bah |
| [14:28:03] | SlicerDicer: | yay for typos |
| [14:28:53] | gbee: | ahh, silence |
| [14:34:29] | brad2: | what new drive did you get gbee? |
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| [14:44:22] | juski: | oink. seems I have teh flu |
| [14:45:02] | stuarta: | the oink flu? |
| [14:45:16] | gbee: | juski: ditto |
| [14:45:20] | juski: | maybe. |
| [14:45:47] | gbee: | stuarta: they aren't testing anymore, so best the docs can say is 'maybe', pretty mild whatever it is |
| [14:46:04] | juski: | free week off work when I feel well enough to go back :) |
| [14:46:08] | juski: | if it IS swine flu |
| [14:46:19] | stuarta: | i just got over something |
| [14:46:26] | juski: | someone went back after recovering last week & they were sent home for another week |
| [14:46:31] | stuarta: | didn't quite have enough symptoms to qualify |
| [14:46:37] | stuarta: | mainly missing the flu part |
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| [14:46:47] | gbee: | brad2: http://www.samsung.com/global/business/hdd/pr . . . mp;ppmi=1170 |
| [14:46:49] | juski: | all I needed was the temp. rise & that's kicking in now |
| [14:47:09] | ** stuarta prescribes paracetamol & ibuprofen ** | |
| [14:47:31] | stuarta: | the odd stiff rum/jd too maybe |
| [14:47:38] | juski: | feel better being up & about though |
| [14:47:55] | juski: | good thing the dog isn't arsed about going on a long walk today |
| [14:48:07] | stuarta: | it's feeling your pain |
| [14:49:16] | gbee: | temp rise came yesterday evening here and although I felt grotty then I'm already feeling back to normal, nothing compared to the flu I had at the start of December last year |
| [14:49:19] | AndyCap: | ZOMG, it's the aporkalypse. |
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| [14:50:47] | stuarta: | gbee: maybe you had it in december :-p |
| [14:51:07] | juski: | heh this is nowt compared to what I had on my honeymoon a few years back |
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| [14:53:38] | ** gbee was patient zero ** | |
| [14:55:29] | ** gbee orders a bunch of "I survived swine flu" t-shirts ** | |
| [14:56:40] | gbee: | "The pig didn't" above a bacon sandwich on the reverse |
| [14:56:53] | stuarta: | 15 quid a pop down the markets, pay for a new computer in no time |
| [14:58:12] | gbee: | heh, google tells me that a million other people had the idea before me ;) |
| [14:58:23] | stuarta: | :( |
| [14:58:57] | Stroller: | Is there any set-top-box type hardware suitable for MythTV, please? My ma's freeiew box has died & if she replaces it with an off-the-shelf PVR she'll be paying £80 or £100 aleady |
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| [15:00:30] | gbee: | http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=%22I+surv . . . mgtype=photo |
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| [15:15:41] | sphery: | Hmmm... Surprised that iamlindoro didn't answer, "state of blu-ray playback?" on the -users list. |
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| [15:18:48] | sphery: | So, #6778 is the nvidia driver version discussion ticket? |
| [15:22:52] | sphery: | and #6779 is a feature request without a patch... And, I'd think that "Record and watch while it records" would do exactly what he's asking. |
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| [15:36:22] | gbee: | sphery: it wouldn't, but it's still feature request w/o patch |
| [15:37:06] | gbee: | he's asking to let it record, but to continue watching whatever remains of the livetv recording, normally we'd switch files at that point or just exit to the menu |
| [15:38:46] | sphery: | ah, figured it just kept the chain going... |
| [15:38:58] | sphery: | But I can see why it wouldn't--since we're no longer in LiveTV. |
| [15:39:32] | sphery: | I've never even seen that dialog, though--since I don't use LiveTV and I have plenty of tuners, anyway. |
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| [16:15:30] | someone_: | Sorry for my direct question lol – is there any eta for an release of 9.22 ? weeks / months ? |
| [16:15:41] | someone_: | 0.22 |
| [16:16:14] | clever: | when its ready |
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| [16:18:54] | sid3windr: | it'll be released one week after the last person asks when it'll be done :> |
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| [16:21:33] | brad2: | hahahaha |
| [16:21:44] | brad2: | sid3: if we did that, it would never be done! |
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| [16:24:43] | sid3windr: | :) |
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| [16:54:34] | sphery: | gbee: I think danielk22's change is meant mainly for the fact that version.cpp is always re-created/re-compiled, so after compiling with a normal user (and getting version info in there), then trying to make install as root when root doesn't have permissions, it just skips the re-create/re-compile. |
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| [16:55:12] | sphery: | Because, in theory, someone who compiles will have to have write permissions... |
| [16:55:47] | gbee: | true |
| [16:56:11] | sphery: | though I completely agree with the fact that the current approach fails to include version information in far too many circumstances |
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| [16:56:19] | flexy: | , do I need to include it? |
| [16:56:27] | flexy: | I'm trying to make (my first) bugreport, ticket. I have a gdb trace file and core file after segfault. The core file is huge |
| [16:56:33] | flexy: | , do I need to include it? |
| [16:56:59] | sphery: | flexy: always including the output of mythbackend --version is a good idea when creating a bug report |
| [16:57:06] | sphery: | full output, please |
| [16:57:22] | flexy: | sphery: ok. what about the core file? |
| [16:57:38] | sphery: | Oh... if you have a proper back trace, the core file is not necessary. |
| [16:57:44] | flexy: | its 287MB |
| [16:58:06] | sphery: | note that the back trace needs to be one that was created with a debug or profile build of Myth--i.e. with MythTV debug symbols in tact |
| [16:58:18] | flexy: | ok, I've tried to do that according to instructions. it's almost as instructions. should be ok |
| [16:58:19] | sphery: | The back trace should be small, though |
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| [16:58:33] | sphery: | wanna pastebin the back trace and I'll verify it's good? |
| [16:58:38] | flexy: | it is, under 40kB |
| [16:58:42] | flexy: | ok |
| [16:58:45] | flexy: | wait a while |
| [16:58:49] | sphery: | ok |
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| [17:00:43] | flexy: | sphery: http://pastebin.com/m58ffd7ef |
| [17:01:13] | sphery: | yep, looks like a good one... |
| [17:01:23] | flexy: | ok. thanks |
| [17:01:29] | sphery: | Just file the bug report and paste the --version info into the summary |
| [17:01:42] | sphery: | then attach the back trace--do not paste it into the ticket, please :) |
| [17:01:51] | flexy: | right |
| [17:02:09] | sphery: | You can click, "I have files to attach.." when creating the ticket |
| [17:02:32] | flexy: | yes, I noticed it. thanks :) |
| [17:02:33] | sphery: | Oh, and this is SVN trunk, right (not 0.21-fixes with backported VDPAU)? |
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| [17:04:22] | sphery: | nvm... just saw the ticket :) |
| [17:04:25] | sphery: | looks good, thanks |
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| [17:06:29] | sphery: | So, guess it's time that Myth switches to RethinkDB and everyone buys SSD's for the MySQL drives: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/30/rethink_mysql/ :) |
| [17:06:42] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux, Is there any reason why Jamu considers video storage groups a fatal error? |
| [17:07:38] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, Is there only the one ticket with the python bindings improvements that you did? |
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| [17:11:41] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: At this time Jamu does not the setting of the videometadata as relative paths when there are Videos or graphics SG's. SO I stop Jamu from being used with SG's. Only the (-MW) option "Download graphics for Scheduled and Recorded" can be run when there are Videos or graphics SG's as there are no MythTV DB updates involved. |
| [17:11:55] | RDV_Linux: | I have the Jamu SG support coded but not tested. |
| [17:12:23] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux, sure, but can't you just say, 'There is no support for Storage Groups, Falling back' and continue on? |
| [17:12:38] | kormoc: | Because don't both styles get mixed currently? |
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| [17:16:07] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: I got scared off when iamlindoro gave Jamu a try with SG's and it messed his DB bad. Right now I wanted to be a purist but I did the coding to support any combo of SG's or not. I am waiting for the direction on whether 0.22 will support any, Videos only or all SG's before releasing Jamu SG support. |
| [17:17:42] | RDV_Linux: | Complex testing is involved in supporting a number of combinations and it not seem worth it when the decision had not been made. |
| [17:20:04] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: That reminds me have you switched to the latest version of Jamu or are you still using the hacked one for the (-MW) option "Download graphics for Scheduled and Recorded"? |
| [17:20:43] | kormoc: | In my case, I have a SG defined that exactly the same as the non-SG, only one directory, it's kinda sucky that I can't run Jamu without wiping out the storage groups |
| [17:26:43] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux, and in your file types, why not just honor the videotypes table? |
| [17:28:40] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: You are naming one of the tough coding decisions I faced with SG's. I used a rule that SG's were king and overrode any FE video or path settings. This has more to do with people having multiple backends and the FE only applied to one of the backends. iamlindoro commented that he had some code/patched that allowed his set up to ignore the FE directories. |
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| [17:28:57] | kormoc: | Fair 'nuff |
| [17:30:08] | kormoc: | And if you have any thoughts on http://pastebin.ca/1512465 , that'd be awesome |
| [17:30:45] | RDV_Linux: | kormac: I do not understand "and in your file types, why not just honour the videotypes table". For both videos and graphic files I restrict Jamu's to only dealing with MythTV supported file extensions. |
| [17:31:21] | kormoc: | in the config file, you have, "'video_file_exts' indicates the various video file extensions that are to be included when processing" |
| [17:31:41] | RDV_Linux: | kormac: looking at the pastebin now. |
| [17:31:43] | kormoc: | I'm not sure why that's in there if you can just grab the list from the videotype table? |
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| [17:36:11] | sphery: | videotypes isn't all-inclusive |
| [17:36:19] | kormoc: | ooh? |
| [17:36:34] | sphery: | it's only guaranteed to contain those types/extensions that the user does not want to handle with Internal |
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| [17:36:42] | kormoc: | I've been counting on that for mythweb's scanner... whoops |
| [17:37:54] | sphery: | I'm pretty sure that's the case... I'll admit, though, I don't know MythVideo (or plugins in general) and its data well... |
| [17:39:31] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: sphery has the right answer. As for the pastebin error please send the full name and path of the file Jamu error-ed on. It appears as thought the file name is being parser in a way that the movie title comes out empty an the imdb number routine errors out. |
| [17:39:33] | sphery: | technically, I should say, "only guaranteed to contain those types/extensions that the user does not want to handle with VideoDefaultPlayer" |
| [17:39:58] | sphery: | but, assuming the user leaves VideoDefaultPlayer at Internal, same diff :) |
| [17:40:16] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux, /mnt/data/Multimedia/Videos/Movies/The Producers.avi with /mnt/data/Multimedia/Videos being the video dir root |
| [17:41:03] | RDV_Linux: | That looks OK. Let me try the same file name locally to see what it does for me, |
| [17:41:43] | sphery: | heh, I recorded that show... |
| [17:42:10] | kormoc: | Which one? The new or the old? That's the new one, fresh from my DVD :) |
| [17:42:16] | sphery: | there's a valid tmdb page for it (and imdb) – tt0395251 |
| [17:42:20] | kormoc: | I enjoyed the new one a lot better then the old one |
| [17:42:23] | sphery: | 2005 version? |
| [17:42:27] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [17:42:51] | sphery: | Yeah, I only get the shows that are old enough to appear on broadcast tv :) |
| [17:43:30] | sphery: | hmmm... Guess I didn't record it... |
| [17:43:44] | sphery: | It was some other Nathan Lane and Matthew Broderick movie... |
| [17:43:48] | sphery: | I think I remember a boat... |
| [17:46:03] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: How are you running jamu? Are you using the options (-MI)? I gave that filename a try and it was OK. |
| [17:46:48] | unimaginative: | Chris Hansen's "To Catch a Predator"? |
| [17:47:12] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux, /usr/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/jamu.py -l en -C /home/mythtv/jamu-maintenance.conf -MIV |
| [17:47:33] | kormoc: | I'm using imdbpy 3.2 if that matters? |
| [17:49:08] | RDV_Linux: | Which movie year did you pick? 1 -> The Producers (1968) # http://themoviedb.org/movie/12248 or 2 -> The Producers (2005) # http://themoviedb.org/movie/9899 I picked the 1968 and it was OK |
| [17:49:28] | kormoc: | Didn't even get interactive |
| [17:50:01] | kormoc: | http://pastebin.ca/1512488 |
| [17:50:04] | RDV_Linux: | I will check which version of imdbpy I have |
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| [17:56:02] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: I am using imdby 3.8 (Ubuntu Jaunty packaged) but from the trace it seems an empty title is being passed to the imdb.py. Let me do a little more digging. |
| [17:56:36] | kormoc: | Rgr, thanks much |
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| [18:00:43] | sphery: | Wow... I was /way/ off on that one... Was thinking of The Impostors with Oliver Platt and Stanley Tucci. 1998, though--guess it takes longer than I thought to come to broadcast TV. |
| [18:02:32] | RDV_Linux: | kormac: I tried the call (in test code no Jamu involved) with the "The Producers" as a title and then with a empty "" sting and in both cases no abort. Of course in the first case a number of matches were returned vut in the second case no matched (empty array). One other odd thing is that my own Jamu test found matches in TMDB. That should mean that IMDB does not need to get searched. |
| [18:02:43] | RDV_Linux: | Give me some more time to look, |
| [18:02:54] | kormoc: | could be my tmdb.py being broken? |
| [18:03:38] | sphery: | kormoc: do you have a recent one with (I think it was you who committed them) meshe's changes? |
| [18:03:54] | sphery: | the one in trunk should be good |
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| [18:04:19] | RDV_Linux: | Jamu does not use tmdb.pl (perl) I wrote my own python interface to themoviedb.com as tmdb.pl did not do all the things I wanted. |
| [18:04:30] | sphery: | kormoc: oh, and in many circumstances, tmdb.pl will fail due to name-resolution issues |
| [18:04:35] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [18:04:38] | sphery: | seems their name server is very slow |
| [18:04:39] | XLV_ is now known as XLV | |
| [18:04:53] | sphery: | ahh... py, pl... nvm... ignore me |
| [18:04:55] | iamlindoro: | So... got to work at 6:30 this morning and found the entire place (including the server room) in six inches of water |
| [18:05:08] | sphery: | pipes or weather? |
| [18:05:13] | iamlindoro: | pipes |
| [18:05:17] | sphery: | fun |
| [18:05:21] | iamlindoro: | boundless |
| [18:05:38] | sphery: | at least it was clean water, though, so you don't have to scrub out your server internals :) |
| [18:05:53] | sphery: | (assuming it wasn't the graywater pipes...) |
| [18:05:56] | iamlindoro: | Everyone gets to go have a few days off... except me :) |
| [18:05:56] | iamlindoro: | Who gets to spend the weekend here |
| [18:06:08] | kormoc: | youch |
| [18:07:04] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Heroes are hard to find. Are they going to give you a cape to mop up? |
| [18:07:23] | iamlindoro: | Thankfully most stuff in the server room is raised, so all the servers and workstations survived-- a LOT of cubicle UPS' destroyed, though |
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| [18:08:58] | RDV_Linux: | Kormoc: Please try to get the graphics and metadata for the problem video using MythVideo metadata download. I would like to see if that works for you. |
| [18:09:22] | iamlindoro: | Oh, is kormoc playing with our shinies? :) |
| [18:09:30] | iamlindoro: | (I have no backlog, just connected to my proxy) |
| [18:10:41] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: He his having some issues with Jamu. He would also like jamu to support SG's ASAP (just kidding). |
| [18:11:03] | RDV_Linux: | s/kormoc/iamlindoro/ |
| [18:11:05] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [18:11:42] | Shadow__X: | anyone here fight dell on the windows license |
| [18:11:44] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [18:11:59] | iamlindoro: | Should be pretty easy, they have allegedly streamlined that |
| [18:12:43] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Had a chance to play with any of the patched MythVideo features? |
| [18:13:14] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: To make you feel better I made Miro MythVideo sub directories the default in the new script and it looks great:) |
| [18:13:30] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: :) I feel much better ;) |
| [18:13:53] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, heh, not much, attempting to get meta data |
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| [18:14:26] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Oh well, once it's settled I'm sure you can have a look-- much of what Jamu does utilizes improvements added by the patch, so you'll see soon enough-- especially if you have any TV there |
| [18:15:25] | RDV_Linux: | kormoc: Please try to get the graphics and metadata for the problem video using MythVideo metadata download. I would like to see if that works for you. |
| [18:15:40] | kormoc: | RDV_Linux, know the flags offhand? |
| [18:16:34] | RDV_Linux: | Just use Mythvideo the old fashion way of getting metadata no Jamu involved. |
| [18:16:54] | kormoc: | ahh, will have to at home, I'm at work right now |
| [18:17:27] | RDV_Linux: | work can get in the way. I will be around if you have any more issues. |
| [18:18:43] | iamlindoro: | What's the title? |
| [18:18:56] | kormoc: | The Producers |
| [18:19:00] | kormoc: | http://pastebin.ca/1512488 |
| [18:19:33] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I did not have any issues with that one in my own set up. |
| [18:20:54] | iamlindoro: | works w/ tmdb.pl |
| [18:21:14] | iamlindoro: | ./tmdb.pl -D 0395251 |
| [18:21:16] | iamlindoro: | (For reference) |
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| [18:21:46] | sphery: | and -P for poster reference? |
| [18:22:23] | iamlindoro: | http://images.themoviedb.org/posters/25958/pr . . . ster_mid.jpg |
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| [18:25:39] | gbee: | any audio formats that mythmusic doesn't currently recognise and people would like to see? I'm checking that the ffmpeg supported codecs are represented |
| [18:27:59] | gbee: | current list includes: .mp3|.mp2|.ogg|.oga|.flac|.wma|.wav|.ac3|.oma|.omg|.atp|.ra|.dts|.aac|.m4a |
| [18:28:24] | iamlindoro: | .au |
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| [18:28:29] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fileinfo.com/filetypes/audio |
| [18:28:43] | sphery: | heh, .omg --funny extension |
| [18:29:03] | iamlindoro: | presume he means ogm :) |
| [18:29:08] | gbee: | iamlindoro: heh, I'm looking at that list, but I don't want to just add the entire list if it's not really used |
| [18:29:14] | sphery: | ahhh... omg was funnier |
| [18:29:26] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Yeah, thought it might ring a bell if any obvious ones were in it |
| [18:29:27] | sphery: | OpenMG Audio File? |
| [18:29:39] | gbee: | Sony OpenMG (OMA) X Audio format used in Sony Sonic Stage and Sony Vegas. |
| [18:29:47] | gbee: | from the ffmpeg documentation |
| [18:29:53] | sphery: | yeah, seems real |
| [18:29:54] | gbee: | ignore the stray X |
| [18:29:57] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg has ATRAC support these days I think |
| [18:30:01] | gbee: | http://www.fileinfo.com/extension/omg |
| [18:30:15] | gbee: | http://ffmpeg.org/general.html#SEC7 |
| [18:30:35] | iamlindoro: | so aa3 for ATRAC apparently |
| [18:30:51] | gbee: | ok done |
| [18:31:47] | gbee: | real audio stuff is tricky, since it can be a text redirect to a stream, which I don't expect ffmpeg will support |
| [18:33:33] | sphery: | heh, "real audio" isn't necessarily a "real" audio file :) |
| [18:34:09] | gbee: | if anyone has seen .ram containing audio I'll add it, but most of the stuff I see is just a playlist format |
| [18:34:45] | AndyCap: | so OpenMG with gzip could become ZOMG? :) |
| [18:35:00] | gbee: | heh |
| [18:35:09] | sphery: | or would you have to use Unix compress for that? |
| [18:35:44] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I just bought $11,000 in new UPSs |
| [18:36:04] | sphery: | And APC is sending you a free one for home? |
| [18:36:08] | iamlindoro: | Which is admittedly not *that* much, but hurts when it's to replace UPSes that worked last night :) |
| [18:36:50] | ** sphery hopes you guys have a good UPS/battery recycling plan ** | |
| [18:37:30] | iamlindoro: | Heh |
| [18:38:17] | iamlindoro: | The restoration folks are all running around with their giant vacuums, it's somewhat cool |
| [18:38:35] | iamlindoro: | Amazing how powerful the things are, they leave the carpet damn close to dry |
| [18:38:50] | iamlindoro: | (The vacuum itself is on the truck) |
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| [18:43:31] | gbee: | guess I missed something |
| [18:43:41] | gbee: | data centre flooded? |
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| [18:44:23] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Whole office from front to back including data center :( |
| [18:44:54] | gbee: | ouch |
| [18:45:41] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/flood.jpg |
| [18:45:48] | iamlindoro: | Admittedly it doesn't look that terrible from outside |
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| [18:45:49] | j-rod: | iamlindoro: you guys own the building, or is there someone else you can blame/make pay for the damages? :) |
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| [18:45:56] | iamlindoro: | but that's 4 inches deep at the doors |
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| [18:46:07] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: There's a landlord, and it's their fault |
| [18:46:32] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: We have complained for months about leaks in the irrigation system (which stupidly comes STRAIGHT off the water main with no valve) |
| [18:46:43] | j-rod: | suck. how many UPSs does $11k get you? |
| [18:46:46] | iamlindoro: | today the whole pipe decided to separate |
| [18:47:03] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: 15 to get identical units |
| [18:47:08] | sphery: | just how big is this building that you've got an irrigation system installed in it? |
| [18:47:21] | j-rod: | I had a bit of fun with ~4 inches of water in my basement about a year ago myself, I feel your pain |
| [18:47:35] | iamlindoro: | sphery: It's the irrigation for the grounds, water filled the parking lot, overwhelmed the drain, then flooded the building |
| [18:47:50] | j-rod: | dude doing regular maintenance on our washing machine fucked up and jammed some valve open or something |
| [18:47:51] | sphery: | wow... |
| [18:47:59] | j-rod: | wife threw in a load of laundry, left the house for a while |
| [18:48:04] | iamlindoro: | Youch |
| [18:48:31] | j-rod: | tonz of funz |
| [18:49:04] | clever: | when the hoses on my washer started to leak, they threw chunks of rubber into the washer |
| [18:49:07] | j-rod: | guy tried to shirk all responsibility |
| [18:49:13] | clever: | which locked the valve open |
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| [18:49:30] | j-rod: | finally got all the repairs and replacement costs covered in the end though |
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| [18:50:10] | iamlindoro: | j-rod: He have an antistatic floor in the clean room/lab, too, and the landlord is already trying to suggest that isn't their problem to replace |
| [18:50:13] | iamlindoro: | er We have |
| [18:50:22] | iamlindoro: | But it ain't a clean room any more, I'll tell you what |
| [18:50:30] | j-rod: | heh, no kidding... |
| [18:51:54] | j-rod: | what's their reasoning? "your clean room should have been water-tight" |
| [18:51:59] | meshe: | everything that was damaged by the water is his responsibility, he can't just say i'll pay for this and that... |
| [18:52:11] | j-rod: | exactly my thoughts |
| [18:52:32] | iamlindoro: | More of a subtle suggestion that the risk of mold is totally overblown |
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| [18:53:49] | j-rod: | we had to run a bunch of dehumidifiers and blowers in the basement for like a week to get all the moisture out, also had to cut out a good foot or so of drywall and insulation in the finished portion, throw out the old carpet padding, etc., because the mold risk is quite real |
| [18:54:00] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, totally agreed |
| [18:54:14] | iamlindoro: | The restorers are a+, though, they're already cutting out the baseboard drywall |
| [18:54:31] | clever: | we usualy only get 0.5 inches of water in the basement durring the spring |
| [18:54:41] | clever: | not enough to get over the finished floor |
| [18:55:02] | meshe: | wouldn't his insurance cover it anyway? |
| [18:55:17] | iamlindoro: | one would think |
| [19:00:20] | brad2: | wow this vdpau stuff is amazing |
| [19:00:43] | brad2: | got a cheap card with it included, and my cpu went from 105% and 5% |
| [19:00:44] | brad2: | haha |
| [19:00:48] | brad2: | and no chugging |
| [19:02:11] | Shadow__X: | whats wrong with chugging |
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| [19:02:42] | iamlindoro: | VDPAU is great... for the stuff that it works on, and when it works |
| [19:03:12] | Shadow__X: | and when it doesnt break a card |
| [19:03:13] | Shadow__X: | ; |
| [19:03:16] | Shadow__X: | ;) |
| [19:03:17] | iamlindoro: | and that |
| [19:03:53] | meshe: | wasn't that kormoc? |
| [19:04:31] | brad2: | shadow: not a fan of stuttering during playback :) |
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| [19:05:17] | brad2: | kinda funny that this gt 9500 blows my gtx 8800 out of the water for video playback |
| [19:05:22] | brad2: | luckily i'm not gaming alot lately |
| [19:05:25] | brad2: | so i shouldn't notice |
| [19:05:48] | Shadow__X: | hey kormoc do you play your steam games on a linux box |
| [19:13:00] | kormoc: | meshe, aye, that was me |
| [19:13:11] | kormoc: | Shadow__X, From time to time, aye, using Cedega |
| [19:13:52] | meshe: | i think that happened right around the time i joined this channel |
| [19:14:50] | meshe: | haha, doom and gloom: all iphones are going to turn into one massive botnet :) |
| [19:15:15] | Shadow__X: | ah is cedega really better than wine |
| [19:15:23] | meshe: | Shadow__X: yes |
| [19:15:34] | AndyCap: | Shadow__X: well, if you need drm to work it is. |
| [19:16:14] | Shadow__X: | AndyCap, what do you mean |
| [19:16:23] | sid3windr: | don't you mean directx ;) |
| [19:16:45] | AndyCap: | Shadow__X: one of their selling points is working with various CD and other copyprotection stuff |
| [19:16:47] | Shadow__X: | hmm wine plays steam games |
| [19:16:54] | Shadow__X: | ah ok |
| [19:17:04] | AndyCap: | sid3windr: not really, directx works with wine these days too. |
| [19:18:58] | Shadow__X: | yup |
| [19:20:24] | sid3windr: | I bet not as good as with cedega ;) |
| [19:21:45] | AndyCap: | I wouldn't bet, but I don't have a current cedega to test with, or any relevant games. :-P mostly used it for playing GTA III |
| [19:22:24] | iamlindoro: | I play my steam stuff in wine often-- to varying levels of success |
| [19:22:43] | iamlindoro: | Valve stuff works pretty nicely-- but some random old stuff will just fail entirely |
| [19:23:54] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Heh, as always I'm too late with my suggestions, but .mlp suddenly occurred to me as a possible format you may want to support (DVD Audio) |
| [19:24:07] | iamlindoro: | decoder definitely in ffmpeg |
| [19:24:20] | iamlindoro: | And with that, possible TrueHD as well (thd) |
| [19:24:32] | gbee: | iamlindoro: ok, well I'll add it locally and it can go in with a later commit |
| [19:24:46] | iamlindoro: | Sorry about the late answer :) |
| [19:25:08] | gbee: | very nearly added .thd, but only a vlc commit seemed to connect the codec with that extension |
| [19:25:53] | gbee: | i.e. I couldn't find anything else while googling giving an extension |
| [19:26:07] | iamlindoro: | yeah, the ffmpeg guys use those extensions when parsing out just the audio from those sources |
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| [19:27:21] | gbee: | I'd guess most people would extract them into a container like ogg/mka/m4a which allows them to be tagged |
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| [19:28:21] | iamlindoro: | Dunno if any of those containers support these raw streams |
| [19:28:23] | iamlindoro: | mka maybe |
| [19:28:37] | gbee: | True Audio supports ID3v2, although technically we don't attempt to retrieve metadata from that format yet |
| [19:28:55] | gbee: | I'll look into it if I get time |
| [19:29:27] | iamlindoro: | In truth there will be very very few people using those formats period |
| [19:30:26] | ** Shadow__X refrains from saying he does ** | |
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| [19:32:20] | gbee: | some may extract the audio from bluray/hddvd, e.g. concert dvds, but yeah, I can't see vast numbers of people doing it |
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| [19:33:55] | gbee: | if I'm honest, I just think that a list of supported audio/video formats will look good somewhere on the website ;) I don't really expect people will use them |
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| [19:36:22] | AndyCap: | but is there any point in making up extensions for naked bitstreams without a container or other common format? |
| [19:36:56] | wagnerrp: | only for your own personal identification |
| [19:37:03] | iamlindoro: | It's not making it up, it's used, even if by a small number of people |
| [19:37:20] | iamlindoro: | and if it's a supported codec, what's the harm in allowing it to play in MythMusic? |
| [19:37:34] | iamlindoro: | aside from "we don't support your extension because suck my balls?" |
| [19:38:11] | brad2: | hahaha |
| [19:38:16] | wagnerrp: | what 'naked formats' are actually used by anything |
| [19:38:20] | wagnerrp: | besides maybe wav or mp3 |
| [19:38:31] | iamlindoro: | mlp and thd are just as valid as .ac3 |
| [19:38:36] | iamlindoro: | which we already support |
| [19:38:59] | iamlindoro: | in fact, they are more or less the next generation of exactly that |
| [19:39:06] | wagnerrp: | but when are you ever going to use those outside of a container with a matched video file |
| [19:39:14] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: mlp is DVD audio |
| [19:39:45] | iamlindoro: | not supporting something out of obstinacy is just being retarded |
| [19:39:52] | wagnerrp: | cant say ive ever even seen a DVDA disk in person |
| [19:39:52] | iamlindoro: | especially as supporting them is a four character patch |
| [19:40:04] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [19:42:24] | sphery: | even the patch header is going to be more than 4 chars... ;) |
| [19:43:59] | ** AndyCap is more a fan of /usr/share/magic ** | |
| [19:45:16] | wagnerrp: | /usr/share/magic? is that where you store those DRMd files that continue to work after the auth servers go dark? |
| [19:45:52] | iamlindoro: | //usr/bin/magic --me-up-a-burger |
| [19:46:24] | clever: | try running 'whatis magic' :P |
| [19:47:29] | AndyCap: | any technology sufficiently advanced... |
| [19:47:55] | clever: | that is an actual valid command |
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| [19:48:04] | clever: | root@theP4:~# whatis magic |
| [19:48:04] | clever: | magic (5) – file command's magic number file |
| [19:48:52] | AndyCap: | I know, it was just a bad joke. :) |
| [19:49:08] | clever: | but i remember that quote too, came across it in a book last week |
| [19:49:44] | meshe: | the innernets are magic |
| [19:49:57] | clever: | though i forget which book:P |
| [19:50:21] | ** AndyCap was hoping for an overlap between the people not knowing /usr/share/magic and knowing the quote ** | |
| [19:51:01] | clever: | ah yeah, it wasnt a book, it was a blog |
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| [19:51:20] | clever: | i think |
| [19:51:32] | clever: | http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=151 |
| [19:51:35] | clever: | somewhere on this blog |
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| [20:05:56] | gbee: | clever: it's a quote of Arthur C. Clarke |
| [20:06:15] | clever: | gbee: i could have googled that:P, what i was trying to remember is where i last saw it quoted |
| [20:06:53] | gbee: | rather famous quote too |
| [20:07:39] | clever: | yeah |
| [20:14:04] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, don't know who is worse, the people who want 200 british pound combined frontend/backend systems, or the people who are suggesting ION boxes with the remark "you can just netboot off of your backend..." (WHAT BACKEND?) |
| [20:16:17] | sphery: | for 200 pounds, you should be able to get a nice combined frontend/backend |
| [20:16:28] | sphery: | where nice means with a real CPU |
| [20:16:55] | Stroller: | Ooops |
| [20:16:57] | ** kormoc keeps thinking that 200 pounds is a very heavy mythbox ** | |
| [20:17:02] | Stroller: | is that aimed at me? |
| [20:17:03] | sphery: | (of course, I'm basis this statement on purchasing in the US with an equivalent of 200 pounds) |
| [20:17:08] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Mine's 50 pounds max ;) |
| [20:17:31] | sphery: | kormoc: but when he accidentally deleted all his blu-ray rips, it was only about 12 |
| [20:17:37] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [20:17:38] | iamlindoro: | sphery: their tech prices, for better or worse, tend to be 1:1 w/ our dollar |
| [20:17:42] | sphery: | that data is heavy |
| [20:17:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery: So think $200–250 |
| [20:18:01] | sphery: | For $250, I could do it. |
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| [20:18:08] | sphery: | For $200, I'd have to skimp. |
| [20:18:15] | sphery: | Of course, I'm ignoring capture cards and mega storage |
| [20:18:27] | iamlindoro: | sphery: So now ignore none of those and recalculate :) |
| [20:18:32] | iamlindoro: | from. scratch. |
| [20:18:53] | sphery: | OK, $800 for capture cards and storage. Then $200 for the rest. |
| [20:19:28] | iamlindoro: | Stroller: Probably-- I think if you spend 200 Pounds that you will have a box that is horribly compromised |
| [20:19:38] | Stroller: | Hmmmn... |
| [20:19:41] | ** kormoc ponders why his dvd playback on the mini is skippy ** | |
| [20:19:42] | iamlindoro: | Stroller: And *don't listen* when someone tells you you can "do it all" w/ an ION box |
| [20:19:53] | iamlindoro: | As that's just wishful thinking |
| [20:19:55] | sphery: | kormoc: sounds like some peanut butter got in it? |
| [20:19:56] | Stroller: | Looking at some of the replies, I can skip commercial flagging |
| [20:20:09] | kormoc: | sphery, doubtful, I don't have peanut butter at home ;) |
| [20:20:17] | sphery: | Stroller: yeah, atom + MySQL is not good |
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| [20:20:37] | orogor: | hi here |
| [20:20:46] | Stroller: | :( |
| [20:20:49] | Stroller: | That sucks |
| [20:20:52] | iamlindoro: | Stroller: I'm sure that some of our actual UK residents in here will chime in, but I would tentatively guess to get acceptable performance, and to buy a capture device, some disk, and a decent processor, you are probably looking at closer to 300–400 |
| [20:21:16] | kormoc: | orogor, yes, you are here |
| [20:21:16] | iamlindoro: | (I only don't state that as fact because my knowledge of US->UK price gap is rough) |
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| [20:21:29] | sphery: | Yeah, my $200-$250 claim was completely ignoring capture and HDD's |
| [20:21:32] | XLV: | maybe someone will introduce some updated MoD mb that can take those new culv |
| [20:21:49] | Stroller: | I always kinda understood a PIII 1ghz would do the job for SD |
| [20:22:24] | sphery: | do the job != do the job well |
| [20:22:31] | iamlindoro: | Stroller: You are not in control of the bitrate or resolution of your freeview/freesat TV... meaning you need to plan for the high end of what it could be |
| [20:22:54] | orogor: | humm i just deleted my TNT source , and i am trying to have only an ALL source |
| [20:23:10] | Stroller: | iamlindoro: I see |
| [20:23:13] | iamlindoro: | A PIII 1 Ghz will *barely* manage SD if you are using an analog capture card and can control the bitrate to something relatively low-- but digital reception means having to account for the upper limits of whatever you might be sent |
| [20:23:23] | Stroller: | Ok |
| [20:23:26] | sphery: | I agree with iamlindoro, though--if you try to do Myth for less money than cable-/sat-co PVR's or TiVo's or WinMCE or ... , you will likely be very disappointed with the results |
| [20:23:44] | orogor: | how are channel number mapped to each channels on each cards? for iptv i know it works by marching channel name on both playlist and mythtv |
| [20:23:49] | Stroller: | And I guess STD have dedicated decoding chips, huh? |
| [20:24:05] | orogor: | for dvb-t cards how does it works? |
| [20:24:25] | iamlindoro: | Stroller: And speaking with recent experience for a consulting client who wanted to use Apple TVs (more or less 1 Ghz Pentium Ms, better than a PIII), for frontend only, the performance was so horrendous that we are now re-doing it from scratch with adequate hardware. |
| [20:24:45] | iamlindoro: | Stroller: STDs have topical ointments and embarrassing mornings after |
| [20:24:53] | iamlindoro: | STBs have hardware decoding, yes |
| [20:25:02] | Stroller: | lol |
| [20:25:03] | Stroller: | Thanks |
| [20:25:14] | Stroller: | You could all have saved me posing to the list if you'd piped up when I asked on here earlier, y'know |
| [20:25:14] | Stroller: | :P |
| [20:25:23] | iamlindoro: | Didn't see whn you posted earlier |
| [20:25:37] | iamlindoro: | Was probably pumping water out of my server room |
| [20:25:48] | Stroller: | lolol |
| [20:25:50] | Stroller: | It's ok |
| [20:25:56] | Shadow__X: | i a dell mini 10v is definitely a decent size to watch sd recordings |
| [20:26:07] | Stroller: | And sorry to hear you have that trouble, iamlindoro |
| [20:26:14] | iamlindoro: | Stroller: Not as sorry as I! ;) |
| [20:26:18] | Stroller: | lol |
| [20:26:19] | Stroller: | Indeed |
| [20:26:29] | gbee: | sphery: nah, £200 is enough, or was a year ago |
| [20:26:46] | gbee: | damn, there I go replying to old stuff again |
| [20:26:47] | iamlindoro: | Stroller: Anyway, IMO the investment is well worth it, just don't want you to slice it so thin that after that expenditure you end up with something useless, or so poorly performing as to be useless |
| [20:27:02] | sphery: | but wouldn't get much (if any) storage or capture cards |
| [20:27:39] | sphery: | Stroller: and a need to start over from scratch or switch to the commercial system after wasting your time/money trying to do a cut-rate myth box |
| [20:28:52] | gbee: | http://miffteevee.co.uk/build/ – it's somewhat out of date now and the price of that case has gone up, but equally, other parts have come down in price |
| [20:28:54] | Stroller: | The thing is that I was just like "oh, the Freeview box is dead.... £30 to replace it, or £80 for a PVR..." |
| [20:29:05] | gbee: | but at £200 you'd need to get the tuner's second hand |
| [20:29:13] | sphery: | yeah |
| [20:29:16] | Stroller: | So it's kinda a case of not bothering |
| [20:29:25] | Stroller: | I'd do it in a minute for myself |
| [20:29:32] | Stroller: | But for my ma? |
| [20:29:34] | sphery: | Stroller: I hear stuarta has a really nice DVB-S card he no longer needs... ;) |
| [20:29:43] | sphery: | (it's broken--just a joke) |
| [20:29:45] | Stroller: | I don't know that she'd notice the difference |
| [20:30:02] | iamlindoro: | Depends on the mother, I guess |
| [20:30:13] | Stroller: | Here I'm just mostly watching DVDs because I haven't gotten round to sorting an aerial or Sky dish |
| [20:30:16] | iamlindoro: | I am a huge myth proponent, but I am very careful about who I recommend it to |
| [20:30:48] | sphery: | I have only recommended it to one person. 5 years later, I'm still supporting the installation. |
| [20:30:54] | meshe: | it can be a bit of work, but it's quite rewarding when set up right |
| [20:30:58] | gbee: | Stroller: I wouldn't build a mythtv box for family unless you really know what you are getting into, mythtv isn't really ready for the average end-user yet, the UI is nowhere near as friendly as it should be etc |
| [20:30:58] | sphery: | (though it's not much work to support) |
| [20:31:24] | sphery: | yeah, and it's nowhere near as pretty as xb mc |
| [20:31:46] | Stroller: | XB MC? |
| [20:31:47] | iamlindoro: | sphery: you forgot to close your <humor> tag |
| [20:31:53] | sphery: | that was a bad joke |
| [20:32:12] | meshe: | Stroller: it's not a pvr |
| [20:32:21] | sphery: | lot of people say that xb mc (without space--just to prevent the hordes from descending on the channel) should replace mythfrontend |
| [20:32:46] | gbee: | I've setup a combined fe/be for my parents, I'm just saying I wouldn't recommend it ... |
| [20:32:48] | sphery: | IMHO, it has all the eye candy you could desire without any of the functionality getting in the way |
| [20:32:49] | laga: | lots of people also smoke crack. can we have a venn diagram? |
| [20:33:07] | brad2: | i tried to set up a mythtv install for my parents |
| [20:33:08] | meshe: | gbee: i have too, and they love it |
| [20:33:12] | Stroller: | lolol @ laga |
| [20:33:14] | brad2: | i ended up just taking the hardware back to my house |
| [20:33:14] | brad2: | haha |
| [20:33:19] | Stroller: | Ok, thanks, guys. |
| [20:33:23] | sphery: | laga: strange... other Venn diagram's I'd seen have 2 circles... This has only one? |
| [20:33:28] | Stroller: | I guess we might as well just close this convo now |
| [20:33:34] | laga: | sphery: wow. plotter must be broken |
| [20:34:16] | gbee: | meshe: to be fair, most of the problems they've had aren't mythtv's fault but it's the sort of stuff that you'd probably not see in a PVR with a closed hardware environment etc |
| [20:34:46] | meshe: | gbee: what kind of problems did they have? |
| [20:34:58] | gbee: | latest problem has been that the DVD drive has dropped a mm in the chassis so the tray is no longer opening 50% of the time |
| [20:35:25] | laga: | an m&m? |
| [20:35:27] | laga: | oh |
| [20:35:30] | laga: | a millimetre.. |
| [20:35:37] | meshe: | my parents have had problems |
| [20:35:39] | ** iamlindoro would like an M&M :( ** | |
| [20:35:56] | laga: | iamlindoro: i brought a bag to a party the other day. should have said something! |
| [20:35:57] | meshe: | they were cutting the power to the mythbox at the wall and corrupted the db multiple times |
| [20:36:01] | gbee: | meshe: but graphics driver dropouts, a failure of the box to reboot cleanly when powered on/off (cards swapping places), network failing to come up, ubuntu's screwed up DPMS causing the screen to blank etc |
| [20:36:11] | iamlindoro: | <-- has not eaten anything but salad, fruit salad, and chicken breast for weeks |
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| [20:36:20] | iamlindoro: | And a little whole wheat pasta |
| [20:36:38] | sphery: | laga: what's with people messing up their DVD drives? kormoc puts Skippy peanut butter in his and gbee's folks put M&M's in theirs... |
| [20:36:49] | gbee: | meshe: yeah, that's been an issue too, trying to persuade them not to just switch it off at the wall ... |
| [20:37:01] | meshe: | gbee: the dpms thing is the first thing i turn off when doing a mythbuntu install now |
| [20:37:13] | yfaykya: | Where do I look to debug "Video frame buffering failed too many times." when trying to play a recording with trunk? |
| [20:37:24] | yfaykya: | The recording is pre ffmpeg merge |
| [20:37:28] | meshe: | gbee: yeah, configure ubuntu to do a proper shutdown on a power button press |
| [20:37:47] | yfaykya: | logs have : NVP(2): Prebuffer wait timed out 100 times. |
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| [20:38:01] | gbee: | yfaykya: pre/post, wouldn't make a difference unless it's an analogue software encoder |
| [20:38:01] | meshe: | no corrupted db since i did that for my parents and told them to press the power button once (when the green light goes off, you can kill the power at the wall) |
| [20:38:33] | sphery: | meshe: why kill the power at the wall post shutdown? |
| [20:38:35] | laga: | sphery: as a non-american, i have recently discovered peanut butter and i'm in love |
| [20:38:39] | yfaykya: | gbee: analogue s/w encoder? It was recorded from a pvr150 |
| [20:39:09] | sphery: | laga: and they even make some that's made from peanuts, instead of salt (and it actually tastes like peanuts) |
| [20:39:15] | ** sphery is very picky about his peanut butter ** | |
| [20:39:17] | j-rod: | wtf is up with only being able to find morex venus cases in stock in the uk? |
| [20:39:18] | meshe: | sphery: because it's at our vacation property and we unplug all the electronics when we leave |
| [20:39:21] | gbee: | anyway, there have been issues, got to the point where it's running pretty smoothly now, but at times I was getting called every night |
| [20:39:22] | iamlindoro: | laga: Heh, even though I know it's not widespread, it still always surprises me when people discover PB later in life :) |
| [20:39:29] | meshe: | (i would leave it on if it were up to me) |
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| [20:39:44] | laga: | iamlindoro: it was widespread on that toast i had for dinner |
| [20:39:48] | iamlindoro: | laga: And not just PB, but all the great stuff you can MAKE with PB... like cookies and fudge, and PB+Jelly sandwiches |
| [20:39:53] | sphery: | meshe: ah, makes sense |
| [20:40:01] | j-rod: | laga: peanut butter m&m's |
| [20:40:01] | laga: | iamlindoro: pb+jelly.. omg |
| [20:40:03] | laga: | overkill |
| [20:40:21] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:40:25] | iamlindoro: | laga: I lived abroad with a bunch of friends for a few years, they were constantly having PB shipped to them, heh |
| [20:40:29] | gbee: | yfaykya: ok, then ffmpeg has no connection to the recording, just playback |
| [20:40:31] | kormoc: | that's the child's staple... |
| [20:40:43] | iamlindoro: | laga: PBJ is every American schoolchild's staple food :) |
| [20:40:44] | meshe: | is PB an NA thing? |
| [20:40:45] | yfaykya: | hmm.. Just one recording – mythcommflag --rebuildgave : 2009-07–30 21:32:18.747 AFD Error: Could not find decoder for codec (Unknown Codec ID), ignoring. |
| [20:40:51] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Mostly |
| [20:40:55] | meshe: | huh |
| [20:41:06] | ** kormoc disbelieves ** | |
| [20:41:08] | meshe: | there we go, i learned something new today |
| [20:41:08] | iamlindoro: | meshe: And a lot of the peanut butter you can scrounge up elsewhere is not the same, either |
| [20:41:11] | j-rod: | yeah, one of the rpmfusion guys in germany has people ship him peanut butter m&m's, says they can't be found anywhere in eu |
| [20:41:40] | gbee: | PB+Jelly has always sounded like an implement of torture to me |
| [20:41:41] | iamlindoro: | The only PB I could find in france was like US health store PB (w/ the oil layer at the top)... no JIF, No Skippy.... :( |
| [20:42:05] | sphery: | gbee: I agree... I eat my peanut butter without jelly |
| [20:42:07] | meshe: | ick |
| [20:42:16] | kormoc: | why? |
| [20:42:16] | laga: | sphery: crunchy PB? |
| [20:42:19] | ** j-rod grew up on adams pb ** | |
| [20:42:25] | kormoc: | the jelly makes it sweet! |
| [20:42:26] | meshe: | i like my pb&j sandwiches toasted |
| [20:42:27] | iamlindoro: | Peter Pan... :) |
| [20:42:31] | kormoc: | laga, aye, with peanut chunks |
| [20:42:32] | sphery: | iamlindoro: you mean the stuff that's made from peanuts instead of made from salt? |
| [20:42:35] | kormoc: | meshe++ |
| [20:42:36] | laga: | iamlindoro: i hear every american schoolchild is fat :) |
| [20:42:41] | gbee: | cruncy PB just doesn't spread so good as the smooth |
| [20:42:47] | iamlindoro: | laga: You are (mostly) correct |
| [20:42:53] | laga: | iamlindoro: ;) |
| [20:42:54] | iamlindoro: | sphery: heh |
| [20:42:57] | sphery: | yeah, I like smooth peanut butter |
| [20:43:01] | j-rod: | wife is a jif person, so by extension, so are my kids |
| [20:43:11] | laga: | i like the crunchy one better, too |
| [20:43:15] | sphery: | Fifty50 makes some good tastes-like-peanuts butter |
| [20:43:28] | j-rod: | we keep both crunchy and smooth around |
| [20:43:37] | meshe: | skippy and kraft smooth++ |
| [20:43:40] | iamlindoro: | I feed a lot of PB to my dog |
| [20:43:46] | meshe: | iamlindoro: bored? |
| [20:43:47] | j-rod: | they both have their advantages |
| [20:43:49] | iamlindoro: | but mosly bake with it for me |
| [20:43:58] | gbee: | I like the crunchy, but tend to go with smooth just for the spreadability |
| [20:44:00] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Need something to stuff in treats, dogs love PB |
| [20:44:05] | backslash7: | Good evening – I'm from Switzerland and I'd like to set up EPG for my MythTV installation. I started by installing XMLTV but I have no clue what to do next, even though I've been reading wikis and howtos for the last couple of minutes |
| [20:44:11] | j-rod: | I'm rather partial to eggo waffles w/peanut butter and syrup |
| [20:44:13] | backslash7: | I can't even find EPG settings in the MythTV frontend |
| [20:44:14] | meshe: | iamlindoro: yeah, and enteraining |
| [20:44:23] | j-rod: | wait, what channel is this? |
| [20:44:29] | meshe: | #food |
| [20:44:40] | iamlindoro: | #PeanutButtaJellyTime |
| [20:44:55] | gbee: | j-rod: perhaps you meant to join #mythtv-users instead? |
| [20:44:56] | iamlindoro: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8MDNFaGfT4 |
| [20:45:14] | ** meshe removes the +f #food on the channel ** | |
| [20:45:16] | sphery: | backslash7: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV_Myth_Channel_Setup |
| [20:45:42] | j-rod: | gbee: hahahaha, I had to do a double-take to make sure of where I was... :) |
| [20:47:22] | sphery: | backslash7: sorry... that's the wrong page. (and really, er, inaccurate, too) |
| [20:47:34] | backslash7: | sphery: I was just wondering.... :P |
| [20:47:35] | sphery: | backslash7: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Frontend_Channel_Editor |
| [20:47:37] | yfaykya: | mplayer has no problem with the recording.. |
| [20:47:42] | backslash7: | I don't even have tv_grab_xx (ch) yet |
| [20:47:45] | backslash7: | afaik |
| [20:47:46] | sphery: | backslash7: just need to set up xmltvid's in the channels (see Edit Channels) |
| [20:47:51] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV |
| [20:47:56] | j-rod: | sphery: seen more than a few like that... the firewire page someone pointed me at a few days ago is... terribly outdated... |
| [20:48:38] | sphery: | yeah, I won't update this one since I don't know non-US xmltv setup |
| [20:49:15] | gbee: | j-rod: yeah we need someone familiar with mythtv to update the wiki, maybe someone with writing experience, can you think of anyone who would know how to write a good guide on configuring and using mythtv? |
| [20:49:23] | j-rod: | in completely unrelated news... why is it that the vast majority of people having massive problems figuring out how to use lirc drivers build from cvs are ubuntu users? |
| [20:49:24] | sphery: | but things like "In North America at least, there is a tradition for for channels to be on the same frequency everywhere. So channel 7 is on the same channel in all homes across the country." are really weird |
| [20:49:33] | sphery: | Agreed that channel 7 is channel 7 everywhere |
| [20:49:34] | laga: | so, the centos guy disappeared? http://www.centos.org/ |
| [20:49:40] | sphery: | but what's on it varies by market |
| [20:49:43] | j-rod: | gbee: not anymore, I can't... :) |
| [20:49:51] | j-rod: | also, I hate editing wikis |
| [20:49:59] | gbee: | heh |
| [20:50:29] | backslash7: | The page referred to as "Switzerland" containing grabber and channel information is for German channels ^^ |
| [20:50:58] | kormoc: | laga, yeah... |
| [20:51:23] | backslash7: | Nvm it's both |
| [20:51:28] | sphery: | j-rod: I'm assuming the lack of help on this is because of my misunderstanding of terms/repos... On http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging , I've been trying to get distro users to put in the info about repos/package names for debug symbols for packaged versions of Myth. Is it still ATrpms or Fusion or ??? |
| [20:51:30] | backslash7: | mixed |
| [20:51:54] | j-rod: | sphery: both ATrpms and RPM Fusion provide mythtv packages |
| [20:52:25] | j-rod: | sphery: one sec, lemme check on something... |
| [20:52:27] | sphery: | So there should be another section, "Debugging with RPM Fusion packages"? |
| [20:52:46] | iamlindoro: | laga: Heh, yikes |
| [20:53:08] | iamlindoro: | laga: Good for all the people who choose to use the (very outdated) CentOS for its "stability" |
| [20:53:40] | ** meshe registers cent0s.org ** | |
| [20:53:40] | laga: | yeah.. |
| [20:54:07] | j-rod: | sphery: yeah, might well need to be separate |
| [20:54:24] | sphery: | So, Red Hat found that you can't make a living giving a distro away for free. Now CentOS is proving that you can't make a living selling a distro for $0.01. Do we try $0.02, next, or what? |
| [20:54:27] | iamlindoro: | I guess in a sense a project whose lead refuses to respond to any request for change is very VERY stable :) |
| [20:54:47] | heyheyhey: | i think changeset (21063) is broken |
| [20:54:49] | j-rod: | sphery: looks like atrpms is publishing -debuginfo packages now too, so that's good... I dunno if the atrpms repo config adds the debuginfo repos by default or not though |
| [20:55:05] | laga: | "Recently he put an anonymizing service on the domain, so that nobody from the outside can see who that domain belongs to." hahaha |
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| [20:55:10] | laga: | *cough* |
| [20:55:37] | sphery: | heyheyhey: more details for gbee ? |
| [20:55:45] | j-rod: | sphery: for rpm fusion, 'yum --enablerepo=\*-debuginfo install mythtv-debuginfo' should get things in place |
| [20:55:56] | iamlindoro: | heyheyhey: Why? |
| [20:56:06] | j-rod: | might well work for atrpms too though |
| [20:56:08] | sphery: | j-rod: thx... better than nothing |
| [20:56:26] | sphery: | (not that I'm asking you to complete it, but hoping that some user will) |
| [20:56:38] | sphery: | getting it started is probably the first step to getting it written right |
| [20:56:43] | heyheyhey: | i had change set 21061 on my manchine then updated to 21063 and mythfrontend now won't connect |
| [20:56:46] | ** j-rod hasn't used atrpms in a few years now... ** | |
| [20:56:49] | heyheyhey: | to backend |
| [20:56:58] | heyheyhey: | i get MythSocket(9dc9b38:29): readStringList: Error, timeout (quick). |
| [20:57:01] | clever: | heyheyhey: update the backend to the same version |
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| [20:57:10] | iamlindoro: | heyheyhey: did you make distclean and update both? |
| [20:57:13] | sphery: | heyheyhey: what makes you think it's that changeset |
| [20:57:17] | gbee: | hmm, can't say I ever really understood the need for Centos |
| [20:57:26] | heyheyhey: | yes |
| [20:57:30] | iamlindoro: | 21062 changed backend communications, but a make distclean and update on both sides should be enough |
| [20:57:31] | heyheyhey: | i am lindoro |
| [20:57:42] | iamlindoro: | no, I am |
| [20:57:47] | gbee: | heyheyhey: I can categorically state that 21063 was not responsible for your problem |
| [20:58:00] | heyheyhey: | i mean yes i did do distclean |
| [20:58:07] | gbee: | but 21062 could very well be |
| [20:58:16] | iamlindoro: | heyheyhey: And both your frontend and backend got updated? |
| [20:58:20] | heyheyhey: | yes |
| [20:58:29] | kormoc: | gbee, free rhel with updates? |
| [20:58:40] | iamlindoro: | heyheyhey: Did you make clean or make *distclean*? |
| [20:58:48] | heyheyhey: | make distclean |
| [20:59:02] | heyheyhey: | like i normaly do |
| [20:59:11] | sphery: | heyheyhey: and both got restarted |
| [20:59:28] | heyheyhey: | yes |
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| [20:59:55] | clever: | heyheyhey: then what error is the frontend giving? |
| [21:00:00] | heyheyhey: | mythbackend version: trunk [21063] www.mythtv.org |
| [21:00:11] | gbee: | kormoc: if you actually need the stability of RHEL, then most likely it's a commercial scenario, therefore RHEL with it's support structure would seem to be a more sensible choice (granted cost may be too high for small startups) |
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| [21:01:47] | AndyCap: | gbee: people get tired of upgrading their boxes every year with fedora. |
| [21:02:03] | gbee: | AndyCap: RHEL != Fedora |
| [21:02:16] | sphery: | Yeah, Fedora is RHEL alpha testing :) |
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| [21:02:35] | heyheyhey: | clever http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1512919 |
| [21:02:46] | gbee: | CentOS alwats struck me as an attempt to bring RHEL to the individual, but it's like fitting an industrial cooker when you are only ever going to be cooking for one |
| [21:02:57] | j-rod: | sphery: yes and no |
| [21:03:11] | sphery: | yeah, I wasn't being really serious about htat |
| [21:03:22] | laga: | i tried to install CentOs in virtualbox, but borked the install (kinda my fault). i love the idea of having a fire&forget OS |
| [21:03:28] | gbee: | I'll defer to j-rod on all matters RH |
| [21:03:32] | j-rod: | well, it actually *is*, to some extent |
| [21:03:39] | j-rod: | but very much not so to others |
| [21:04:33] | j-rod: | the centos guys gave a talk at the ottawa^wmontreal^wwhateverthefuck linux symposium this year |
| [21:04:41] | backslash7: | sphery: I installed the xmltv package and now have several tv_grab_xx programs in /usr/bin. However I don't have tv_grab_de and just tv_grab_ch_search, which gives me a list of channels and writes a configuration file if started with --config. But now what? |
| [21:04:49] | j-rod: | they're claiming something like 6 million users |
| [21:05:12] | sphery: | backslash7: no idea... I haven't used xmltv in years (I'm in the US, so I use Schedules Direct) |
| [21:05:15] | j-rod: | its a lot more than just the individual using it |
| [21:05:30] | laga: | backslash7: read the documentation |
| [21:05:33] | CoreDump is now known as CoreDump|cf-18 | |
| [21:05:37] | meshe: | our company just stopped buying RHEL licences |
| [21:05:40] | sphery: | j-rod: 6M for CentOS? |
| [21:05:49] | j-rod: | that's what they're claiming :) |
| [21:05:50] | backslash7: | laga: Seems like everything is outdated / things changed |
| [21:05:50] | sphery: | meshe: just letting it bitrot? |
| [21:05:55] | backslash7: | program names are different |
| [21:06:06] | laga: | backslash7: the procedure is the sa,e |
| [21:06:08] | laga: | same* |
| [21:06:19] | sphery: | backslash7: and feel free to update the wiki page :) |
| [21:06:20] | meshe: | we are about 75% centos, 25% red hat |
| [21:06:39] | j-rod: | plenty of places do that too — pay for just a few rhel licenses, deploy centos all over |
| [21:06:52] | gbee: | interesting |
| [21:06:59] | sphery: | wow... wonder what's up with Mr Cent, then... |
| [21:07:01] | meshe: | yeah, RHEL on critical systems |
| [21:07:05] | j-rod: | if you have a mission-critical issue, repro on a true-blue (er, red) red hat enterprise linux, and get it fixed that way |
| [21:07:26] | j-rod: | and/or just run RHEL on the critical systems, centos on the commodity systems |
| [21:08:35] | laga: | j-rod: i assume you don't work in their marketing department ;) |
| [21:08:39] | ** gbee puts two and two together ... ** | |
| [21:08:48] | j-rod: | laga: haha, no |
| [21:08:56] | j-rod: | RHEL kernel group |
| [21:08:58] | meshe: | years of no support needed from the RHEL licences has made us decide to go to centos |
| [21:09:04] | gbee: | so Red Hat has kidnapped/assasinated Lance Davis! |
| [21:09:06] | sphery: | gbee: and Red Hat hired Lance Davis? |
| [21:09:07] | backslash7: | One question, I get XML data now on stdout, where do I have to save that data? Is there some kind of EPG xml file? |
| [21:09:14] | j-rod: | muahahahahahaha |
| [21:09:23] | sphery: | oh... I was thinking less dark circumstances |
| [21:09:42] | ** j-rod honestly knows nothing about the situation ** | |
| [21:09:53] | sphery: | backslash7: you configure your mythfilldatabase to use xmltv then have mythbackend automatically run mythfilldatabase for you |
| [21:09:59] | meshe: | j-rod: kept in the dark for your safety? |
| [21:10:30] | laga: | backslash7: read the manual ;) set up a video source in mythtv-setup, then alt+tab when it displays the progress bar and configure the grabber in the terminal window |
| [21:10:35] | j-rod: | meshe: no, I just don't follow centos at all, I have no reason to |
| [21:10:37] | sphery: | just in case he gets called before a Congressional Inquiry |
| [21:10:41] | j-rod: | I run Fedora |
| [21:10:47] | meshe: | j-rod: just kidding anyway :) |
| [21:11:01] | j-rod: | and have access to the Real Deal |
| [21:11:04] | backslash7: | laga: By mythtv-setup you mean the command line utility or just the settings page in the frontend? |
| [21:11:14] | backslash7: | won't mythtv-setup reset all my settings? |
| [21:11:20] | sphery: | the GUI utility |
| [21:11:31] | backslash7: | oh right it's gui |
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| [21:11:34] | backslash7: | sorry didn't recall |
| [21:11:49] | sphery: | backslash7: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html |
| [21:11:59] | sphery: | and, for this http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-9.html |
| [21:12:01] | ** j-rod doesn't touch RHEL or any of the clones outside of work hours ** | |
| [21:12:04] | backslash7: | yes sure |
| [21:12:10] | sphery: | but really you should read the /whole/ thing |
| [21:12:14] | backslash7: | For some reason I thought it was command line |
| [21:12:25] | backslash7: | I know, sorry for annoying you guys. I will stop. |
| [21:12:33] | laga: | backslash7: oh yeah, please read the docs :P |
| [21:12:36] | sphery: | that's fine... just saying that there's a /lot/ of important stuff in there |
| [21:14:08] | orogor: | mythfrontend --version Library API : 0.21.20080304–1j, thats the compilation date? |
| [21:14:19] | sphery: | gbee: btw, the ticket that anykey_ mentioned in #mythtv ( #6761 ) is currently set at mythtv-setup, but you may be interested in it for the mythui connection. And it's a trivial patch (but feel free to ask for a different approach if you decide to take it). |
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| [21:15:38] | sphery: | orogor: no, library api is a generally useless value, except within myth for determine if frontend and plugins can work together |
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| [21:15:52] | gbee: | sphery: saw it, thanks |
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| [21:16:18] | sphery: | orogor: it's not useful for determining what version you're running... branch and revision are important |
| [21:16:49] | sphery: | gbee: thx |
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| [21:19:45] | orogor: | 20918 |
| [21:20:02] | orogor: | channel manageùent gioves ùme headechs in myth |
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| [21:20:30] | laga: | my terminal must be broken again |
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| [21:22:24] | gbee: | heyheyhey: mind joining #mythtv and answering any questions that danielk might have for you? |
| [21:26:04] | ** iamlindoro wonders if anyone talked to him in #mythtv in the past few minutes ** | |
| [21:26:16] | iamlindoro: | stupid random failing power circuits after the flood... |
| [21:27:05] | Shadow__X: | i thought liquid cooling was a good thing |
| [21:29:08] | sphery: | iamlindoro: no. no questiosn for you |
| [21:29:14] | iamlindoro: | okely dokely |
| [21:29:34] | sphery: | I think danielk is taking the pure-code approach to debugging |
| [21:29:56] | laga: | sphery: --verbose? |
| [21:30:39] | gbee: | laga: nah, the opposite, staring at the code until your eyes bleed or you see your mistake, it's what 'real' programmers do according to Torvalds |
| [21:30:40] | sphery: | just meaning he's not asking questions about the reported failure |
| [21:31:11] | j-rod: | ooh... I think I might finally have fracking memtest86+ patched to build w/gcc 4.2+ and actually run correctly... |
| [21:31:13] | laga: | ah :) |
| [21:31:37] | backslash7: | I added a new video source with XMLTV Switzerland (tv_grab_ch_search) and finished mythtv-setup. After that I'm told to run "mythfilldatabase --manual" (backend is running) but filldatabase just hangs after saying "SMLTV config file is: /home/mythtv/.mythtv/bla.xmltv" |
| [21:31:48] | laga: | gbee: i just set breakpoints and then use a graphical debugger. guess i haven't achieved true nirvana yet :) |
| [21:31:50] | gbee: | asking for logs, backtraces or using debuggers is for second rate programmers (again, Linus Torvalds philosophy, not mine) ;) |
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| [21:31:56] | backslash7: | Google revealed some similar reports but none of them is solved :/ |
| [21:32:01] | laga: | backslash7: running the grabber can take a long time |
| [21:32:21] | sphery: | laga: kind of like this: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/Working_On_The_Computer.gif |
| [21:32:31] | backslash7: | if I press C-c I get error messages complaining about the connection from front- to backend timed out |
| [21:32:38] | backslash7: | should I just wait? |
| [21:32:40] | ** j-rod rather likes getting kernel core files to analyze, but reading the code is always the bestest ** | |
| [21:32:55] | j-rod: | sphery: haha, I feel like that some days... |
| [21:33:08] | backslash7: | lol nvm |
| [21:33:13] | backslash7: | it's working now |
| [21:33:22] | backslash7: | how come after two minutes there's still no connection established? |
| [21:34:24] | laga: | sphery: reminds me of the first time i had to work with pointers in c++. |
| [21:34:41] | sphery: | j-rod: Guess I should have mentioned the cartoon violence, which some may consider NSFW |
| [21:34:43] | iamlindoro: | "After only 2 years since the previous version, now emacs 23 (.1) is available." |
| [21:34:46] | iamlindoro: | Ah, perspective... |
| [21:35:10] | gbee: | heyheyhey: can you pastebin (mythtv.pastebin.ca) the frontend and backend logs when running with -v network ? |
| [21:35:10] | sphery: | makes you wonder why people complain about Myth's releases? |
| [21:35:14] | j-rod: | sphery: not for my benefit, that was plenty safe for here. :) |
| [21:35:20] | j-rod: | (and very apropos) |
| [21:35:55] | sphery: | good... don't want to get you fired--as it will be hard to find Lance Davis to get a job at CentOS |
| [21:36:02] | j-rod: | I've been beating my head against the keyboard for a few days trying to decipher generated assembly between different versions of gcc and with different options |
| [21:36:22] | j-rod: | I think gcc is being stupid and optimizing out something it should *not* be optimizing out |
| [21:36:39] | clever: | j-rod: sometimes its the smallest thing |
| [21:36:57] | clever: | one of the problems i was beating my head over a month ago, was a single + missing from the regex |
| [21:37:19] | sphery: | j-rod: like the GCC optimization/bug that led to a whole kernel release |
| [21:37:42] | j-rod: | more or less |
| [21:37:53] | clever: | j-rod: dont assume it does what you expect, emulate every instruction by hand |
| [21:37:54] | j-rod: | overflow checking is more strict in gcc 4.2+... |
| [21:38:00] | sphery: | http://kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.30.3 |
| [21:38:27] | j-rod: | so "if (pe + SPINSZ > pe)" is optimized out as always true (pe is a pointer) |
| [21:38:31] | j-rod: | which is fine |
| [21:38:35] | j-rod: | but... |
| [21:38:36] | ** sphery can't wait to see, "Thanks to ... j-rod for digging through assembler differences and finding it." ** | |
| [21:38:50] | clever: | j-rod: wnat if SPINSZ = -5? |
| [21:39:30] | j-rod: | "if (((uintptr_t)pe + SPINSZ) > (uintptr_t)pe)" should NOT always be true, that can wrap |
| [21:39:38] | j-rod: | clever: its 0x800000 |
| [21:39:47] | clever: | #define or variable? |
| [21:39:53] | kormoc: | ugh... |
| [21:40:02] | j-rod: | #define |
| [21:40:10] | clever: | ah, so it will be known at compile time |
| [21:40:20] | j-rod: | the problem is, the version w/uintptr_t casts *is* optimized to always true |
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| [21:40:57] | gbee: | eww |
| [21:40:57] | clever: | id just use something like xorg, if thats the exact condition your using |
| [21:41:15] | j-rod: | this works though: uintptr_t foo = (uintptr_t)(pe + SPINSZ); if (foo > (uintptr_t)pe) |
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| [21:41:38] | clever: | arent you supposed to avoid + when working with bit flags? |
| [21:41:52] | j-rod: | its not a bit flag |
| [21:42:11] | kormoc: | j-rod, is it related to the -O level? |
| [21:42:21] | clever: | looks more like your adding that bit a 2nd time, causing an overflow you are trying to detect |
| [21:42:25] | j-rod: | kormoc: yes, to some extent |
| [21:42:29] | gbee: | j-rod: which version of gcc? (out of intrest) |
| [21:42:30] | j-rod: | -Os is the default |
| [21:42:33] | gbee: | interest |
| [21:42:34] | j-rod: | -O0 works |
| [21:42:44] | j-rod: | as does -Os -fno-strict-overflow |
| [21:42:48] | j-rod: | gbee: 4.2 and later |
| [21:42:55] | j-rod: | I'm actually working with 4.4.1 here |
| [21:43:12] | clever: | id just avoid causing overflows |
| [21:43:38] | gbee: | exact version was what I was interested in, so it's not even an older post-4.2 version |
| [21:44:01] | gbee: | working with 4.3.2 here |
| [21:44:32] | j-rod: | https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437701 |
| [21:44:55] | j-rod: | gbee: memtest86+ is? |
| [21:45:26] | gbee: | j-rod: no, I meant I'm using 4.3.2, not that I've tried to reproduce the issue :) |
| [21:45:39] | j-rod: | oh, oh, sorry, right, now I see. :) |
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| [21:46:06] | j-rod: | :q |
| [21:46:10] | j-rod: | d'oh |
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| [21:50:07] | j-rod: | cute. so 'if ((uintptr_t)pe + SPINSZ > (uintptr_t)pe)' gets optimized out, but 'if ((uintptr_t)(pe + SPINSZ) > (uintptr_t)pe)' does not |
| [21:50:48] | j-rod: | methinks that's not right, but will have to bug jakub about it... |
| [21:50:57] | j-rod: | meh. time to go home... |
| [21:51:00] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [21:51:17] | sphery: | j-rod: actually, that sounds a /lot/ like the same bug that caused that kernel release... See http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/24/341 and thread |
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| [21:52:02] | j-rod: | sphery: huh, thanks for that, will look closer tomorrow... |
| [21:52:08] | ** j-rod really leaves now ** | |
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| [21:53:50] | dustybin: | jeeeze |
| [21:53:51] | dustybin: | http://www.osnews.com/story/21921/CentOS_Proj . . . ng-in-Action |
| [21:54:00] | kormoc: | welcome to two hours ago |
| [21:54:03] | iamlindoro: | Welcome to two hours ago |
| [21:54:06] | iamlindoro: | HOLY |
| [21:54:09] | kormoc: | JINX! |
| [21:54:20] | juski: | ugh. just tried moovida. what a ... ahem |
| [21:54:58] | ** iamlindoro buys kormoc a coke ** | |
| [21:55:09] | ** meshe laughs ** | |
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| [21:59:28] | iamlindoro: | juski: never even heard of it |
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| [22:02:55] | krisb: | ah, weekend finaly :) |
| [22:03:22] | sphery: | j-rod: btw, gave the wrong link (still in the right thread), but http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/7/13/6 makes more sense |
| [22:03:28] | krisb: | maybe I can finish setting up mythtv |
| [22:03:49] | sphery: | krisb: I started with Myth in Feb 2004, and I'm not yet finished setting it up. |
| [22:03:53] | gbee: | juski: oh really?? Another one? |
| [22:04:08] | krisb: | good point |
| [22:04:09] | iamlindoro: | always looking to jump ship, that one |
| [22:04:13] | sphery: | (Sure, I use it every day, but I don't think I'll /ever/ finish setting it up.) |
| [22:04:15] | krisb: | though I can't watch TV on it yet |
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| [22:04:45] | krisb: | and I haven't setup RS232 scripts to control stuff, or got the new receiver yet |
| [22:04:55] | krisb: | so no HDMI audio |
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| [22:05:12] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, once Microsoft does their Flash (not Silverlight?) based ad-supported online video for BBC, et. al, in the UK, I'm sure gbee and juski will be gone |
| [22:05:36] | gbee: | what is wrong with these people? "I know, I'll start my own project, never mind that there are a dozen media centre applications already ..." |
| [22:05:58] | gbee: | and no one project has enough developers to make it into a real proposition |
| [22:06:05] | cesman: | Moovida has been around for a while it is Elisa renamed... |
| [22:06:30] | Shadow__X1: | i like the steampunk keyboard on warehouse 13 |
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| [22:06:35] | sphery: | I thought Elisa died... |
| [22:06:41] | sphery: | Didn't know it was just a name change. |
| [22:06:55] | iamlindoro: | Wow, it is really repulsive |
| [22:07:28] | sphery: | did they keep with the plan to make it Debian-approved (license-/patent-wise)? |
| [22:07:33] | iamlindoro: | All basically doable in MythUI minus the cross-menus |
| [22:07:37] | gbee: | cesman: ahh, so the pay for codecs one |
| [22:07:54] | gbee: | iamlindoro: makes me want to get the music UI done though |
| [22:07:55] | krisb: | hmm |
| [22:08:15] | krisb: | when I first steup a mediapc I think there was only mythtv and freevo |
| [22:08:20] | krisb: | and freevo didn't do tv |
| [22:08:23] | iamlindoro: | gbee: I look forward to it-- will probably anchor Graphite at .22 and start playing with something else slowly as you add the eye candy stuff |
| [22:08:41] | sphery: | Does freevo do TV, now? THought it did? |
| [22:08:54] | krisb: | dunno, that was like 5 years ago or something |
| [22:09:01] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [22:09:13] | krisb: | never had to look for something else after mythtv, anyway |
| [22:09:35] | sphery: | yeah, has TV support, now |
| [22:09:56] | krisb: | nah lets all move to Nero media center or something |
| [22:09:58] | sphery: | good, since I've recommended several people who wanted MythTV to use MPlayer as a media player use Freevo, instead |
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| [22:10:37] | krisb: | :o |
| [22:10:46] | krisb: | I was going to use mplayer |
| [22:10:56] | meshe: | Internal |
| [22:11:01] | iamlindoro: | There is pretty much 0 reason to use mplayer |
| [22:11:05] | gbee: | it would be genuinely nice to have someone else with commit access who understood what I'm aiming for with mythui |
| [22:11:41] | sphery: | krisb: not for TV, you weren't (maybe with MythVideo) |
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| [22:11:53] | krisb: | yeah |
| [22:11:55] | sphery: | though you may have /planned/ to do so :) |
| [22:12:15] | iamlindoro: | And even in MythVideo, IMO using mplayer is enormously ill advised these days |
| [22:12:17] | backslash7: | "Program Finder" is displaying shows correctly but my "Program Guide" is empty. How can I browser channels and days to see all shows? |
| [22:12:46] | krisb: | haven't tried the internal one for mythvideo |
| [22:12:49] | backslash7: | I'm using XMLTV with tv_grab_ch_search, all config and data files have been generated successfully |
| [22:13:03] | sphery: | backslash7: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [22:13:06] | krisb: | but if it supports mkv containers, H264 and VDPAU fine then I guess its settled |
| [22:13:13] | gbee: | there is a lot of polish that could be applied to screens with clever use of statetypes, or addition of information, a re-write of myththemedmenu to support more interesting menu configurations, or all the animation work (end result excites me, the work does not) |
| [22:13:36] | sphery: | backslash7: which all comes down to, "Take what you learned when you misconfigured it the first time, today, and start over but this time do it right." :) |
| [22:13:40] | backslash7: | How old is the MythTV project? |
| [22:13:47] | krisb: | but does it support xrandr extensions to set the refresh rate to the same as content fps? ie. 24p? |
| [22:13:48] | iamlindoro: | 8 yearsish |
| [22:13:59] | sphery: | backslash7: really, though, you only have to reconfigure video sources/capture cards/input connections/channels |
| [22:13:59] | gbee: | 7 years, started in 2002 |
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| [22:14:03] | backslash7: | I mean, come on: "You" |
| [22:14:03] | backslash7: | /must/ use the "Delete all video sources" button rather than deleting |
| [22:14:03] | backslash7: | individual sources or you will leave garbage in the database that |
| [22:14:07] | backslash7: | prevents things from working. |
| [22:14:19] | gbee: | but it's growing and evolving all the time |
| [22:14:23] | backslash7: | YOU will leave garbage? |
| [22:14:46] | sphery: | well, the guy who wrote that likes to be a bit overly dramatic |
| [22:14:59] | backslash7: | why isn't mythtv able to handle it's data properly, it knows what it inserts so it can delete it too, right? |
| [22:15:04] | gbee: | backslash7: where's that feature? |
| [22:15:04] | backslash7: | I see |
| [22:15:10] | backslash7: | what feature? |
| [22:15:25] | gbee: | 'feature' as in appear, where is that text from? |
| [22:15:34] | sphery: | backslash7: I'm not saying that's incorrect--it's completely correct |
| [22:15:42] | sphery: | backslash7: you do need to use Delete all |
| [22:15:50] | backslash7: | gbee: Oh, sorry. |
| [22:15:58] | backslash7: | gbee: From the page sphery linked me to |
| [22:16:02] | backslash7: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [22:16:14] | iamlindoro: | Is that Michael T Dean guy stirring up trouble again? |
| [22:16:20] | sphery: | backslash7: and, yeah, it knows what it put in, but it also knows how much you're asking it to delete and that if you don't delete all the other data may still be in use |
| [22:16:20] | gbee: | sphery: well if that's true, it's f**ked up (sorry for the language) |
| [22:16:24] | iamlindoro: | what a drama queen |
| [22:16:39] | backslash7: | hehe |
| [22:16:41] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah... too bad someone less annoying doesn't write a post about that |
| [22:16:48] | backslash7: | it sure isn't boring working on this project :P |
| [22:16:49] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [22:17:03] | iamlindoro: | backslash7: When did you start working on it? Tell us more. |
| [22:17:11] | backslash7: | I was just pointing out that that post makes mythtv look pretty bad in my opinion |
| [22:17:14] | backslash7: | I don't work on it |
| [22:17:15] | iamlindoro: | When will your patch for the "myth doesn't handle its own data" bit be in? |
| [22:17:21] | backslash7: | Just reading mailing lists and listening to you guys here |
| [22:17:24] | backslash7: | "drama queen" |
| [22:17:28] | backslash7: | "fucked up" |
| [22:17:29] | backslash7: | ^^ |
| [22:17:29] | gbee: | backslash7: honestly the db schema is a mess, but re-writing it at this stage would be a huge undertaking and not without some opposition |
| [22:17:43] | backslash7: | mhm I get it |
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| [22:17:46] | iamlindoro: | backslash7: Drama queen was a joke as that person is present |
| [22:17:46] | backslash7: | makes sense |
| [22:18:33] | backslash7: | But guys, is that true? "Use the "Delete all video sources" button in mythtv-setup to delete all" |
| [22:18:36] | gbee: | "<sphery> well, the guy who wrote that likes to be a bit overly dramatic" – Sphery can describe himself however he wants ;) |
| [22:18:36] | backslash7: | video sources and then re-create video sources |
| [22:18:41] | brad2: | hey guys, do you ever experience a flickering purple line at the bottom of your recordings with the haupauge hd pvr? |
| [22:19:16] | sphery: | and much of the schema mess is caused by mysql's general lack of data integrity constraints |
| [22:19:22] | sphery: | (yeah, I said "general lack") |
| [22:19:28] | gbee: | backslash7: it could be true, but if it is then it needs fixing, but I'm not sure what the issues are that prevent individual source deletion from working as it should |
| [22:19:42] | backslash7: | Will I have to do the whole mythfilldatabase --manual thingy again too? |
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| [22:20:12] | backslash7: | I didn't link any EPG stations to real tv station |
| [22:20:15] | sphery: | gbee: if the user configures their sources properly, the delete a single source or delete a single capture card works fine |
| [22:20:25] | backslash7: | I just entered a name and a number, no Exx or Sxx stuff |
| [22:20:51] | sphery: | gbee: however, when a user gets stuff in the db that's not associated with a source or a capture card, then no amount of deleting individual sources or cards will delete the extra garbage that's breaking stuff |
| [22:21:07] | sphery: | gbee: so, really, we need to fix the program to prevent them from putting the garbage in there in the first place |
| [22:21:09] | gbee: | sphery: I'd have used innodb from the start with proper referential integrity and possibly even cascades (though unpopular with some) |
| [22:21:13] | sphery: | not that I know /how/ they get this |
| [22:21:20] | backslash7: | sphery: Sounds like a great plan |
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| [22:23:21] | sphery: | backslash7: anyway, if you really want to know why Delete All is required, read the 2 posts linked at the bottom of that post |
| [22:23:38] | backslash7: | I have, it's all right |
| [22:23:46] | gbee: | guess I can't delay working on the schedule editor forever |
| [22:23:50] | backslash7: | this is more work than I though :P setting up all channels and stuff |
| [22:23:55] | backslash7: | guess you do it once but properly |
| [22:24:59] | gbee: | backslash7: I _hope_ to improve setup greatly for 0.23, it's not been the focus of most developers since it is something you do only once and for most of us, that was so long ago that we don't even remember just what a huge pain it can be |
| [22:25:24] | backslash7: | hehe cool you understand people like me |
| [22:26:22] | iamlindoro: | Understand yes... prioritize no :) |
| [22:26:25] | ** gbee notices that the pluralisation stuff is broken in trunk – 1 hour(s) 2 minute(s) ** | |
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| [22:31:54] | orogor: | gbee, humm about a week i try to get an ojk channels.conf |
| [22:32:01] | orogor: | err channel list |
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| [22:33:51] | orogor: | and right now i am still working on it , did just reset everythign about 2h ago |
| [22:34:48] | orogor: | seems it was a bad idea, now i can t watch anything |
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| [22:36:20] | Tsoots: | hi, how do i change the audio output device for MythMusic? |
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| [22:36:51] | Tsoots: | currently giving me an erroer msg saying: Error opening audio device (default) |
| [22:37:10] | Tsoots: | sounds are ok with livetv, recordings and all the other things i've tried |
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| [22:39:03] | orogor: | gbee, if you or anyone can help me on configuring channels btw i d appreciate |
| [22:42:49] | sphery: | Tsoots: In Music Settings under General, you'll find "Audio device" (which is specifically the one for MythMusic. If you set it to "default", it uses the same as TV. If not, it uses what you set. |
| [22:43:04] | Tsoots: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/4027 |
| [22:43:09] | Tsoots: | found out that was the reason |
| [22:43:23] | Tsoots: | well not quite but am going to |
| [22:43:42] | iamlindoro: | That's invalid ticket, ergo, no, it's not :) |
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| [22:44:09] | Tsoots: | oh well i was so hoping that was the reason |
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| [22:44:22] | Tsoots: | sounds play ok from all other plugins and livetv |
| [22:44:35] | iamlindoro: | Tsoots: you are ignoring the (correct) answer from sphery... |
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| [22:45:02] | Tsoots: | uhh sorry, stupid me |
| [22:45:47] | gbee: | heh, that was one of my early patches |
| [22:45:56] | Tsoots: | hmm somehow the selection is narrower than in general settings |
| [22:46:08] | Tsoots: | i bet there's a reason why mythmusic doesn't default to general |
| [22:46:28] | gbee: | allow use of the globally configured audio device instead of having to re-define it for mythmusic |
| [22:46:30] | sphery: | the default value for that one is default |
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| [22:47:00] | gbee: | and yes, the default is default for exactly that reason |
| [22:47:35] | gbee: | but the setting remains because some people want music to come out of a different set of speakers |
| [22:48:01] | Tsoots: | sure but i would think those are the minority |
| [22:48:19] | Tsoots: | but i don't have any research to support my view |
| [22:48:29] | sphery: | which is why we're saying it defaults to default, which uses what mythtv uses |
| [22:48:38] | sphery: | if yours isn't default, someone or something changed it |
| [22:48:39] | Tsoots: | no it doesn't |
| [22:48:49] | Tsoots: | cause i changed the Global output device to the one that worked |
| [22:49:03] | Tsoots: | mythmusic didn't apply that change with it's default value |
| [22:49:20] | orogor: | gbee, i think you need to somehow give up on the source thing, and do that differently |
| [22:49:50] | Tsoots: | oh well it's working now |
| [22:49:52] | Tsoots: | thanks |
| [22:50:32] | orogor: | basically allow multiple source for lultiple grabbers, then merge all the data from allt he grabber to have a single list of channels , then use a fuzzy match with scanned channels from each cards ionput |
| [22:51:00] | gbee: | err, have ITV2 bumped up the compression even higher? It's a complete mess :( |
| [22:51:28] | sphery: | orogor: the definition of a video source is a list of channels that are available on a particular input |
| [22:52:19] | sphery: | orogor: if you have a single list of all channels with nothing grouping which are available on which input, how do you keep from trying to tune some channel that's only on your cable set-top-box with your OTA capture card? |
| [22:52:54] | jduggan: | gbee: ive always found itv2 awful |
| [22:52:55] | jduggan: | :) |
| [22:53:28] | sphery: | orogor: and even if 2 inputs have channels with identical content, that doesn't make the channels identical--you need different information to tune a digital channel with a digital capture card than you need to tune an analog channel or a firewire channel |
| [22:53:49] | orogor: | sphery, sorry i meant video conections |
| [22:54:01] | gbee: | jduggan: quality, content or both? |
| [22:54:02] | sphery: | orogor: the xmltvid specifies where the content comes from, the callsigns specify which channels carry identical content |
| [22:54:14] | orogor: | humm |
| [22:54:17] | sphery: | orogor: input connections? |
| [22:54:44] | sphery: | input connections map a defined video source to a specific input... |
| [22:54:57] | orogor: | yes for exemple freebox iptv needs more than one grabber |
| [22:55:05] | sphery: | that's how we know which input the video source is defining the list of channels for |
| [22:55:07] | gbee: | iirc I only record Entourage from ITV2 and yes, I like the programme, but I've never actually noticed a picture quality this bad before |
| [22:55:15] | jduggan: | gbee: oh definitly both :) |
| [22:55:22] | jduggan: | gbee: but i was refering to quality :) |
| [22:55:23] | gbee: | guess I could have missed it before |
| [22:55:51] | jduggan: | i generally record itv2 from vm stb, so could be vm's doing |
| [22:55:54] | orogor: | sphery, i didnt understood that sentance that's how we know which input the video source is defining the list of channels for |
| [22:56:40] | sphery: | input connections are how we know which input the video source describes |
| [22:58:26] | orogor: | well you can need more than once video source to descibe an input |
| [22:58:32] | sphery: | orogor: so you have multiple sources of xmltv data that you're trying to combine for use on a single input? |
| [22:58:45] | AndyCap: | doesn't xmltv have a merging utility? |
| [22:58:49] | sphery: | yep |
| [22:58:52] | sphery: | tv_cat |
| [22:59:06] | orogor: | the other case where one video source can define many input is already possile but the reverse is also needed |
| [22:59:26] | orogor: | sphery, yes |
| [22:59:27] | sphery: | orogor: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/372955#372955 |
| [23:09:51] | juski: | anyway, before I got sidetracked. yes, turns out moovida is what used to be Elisa. And no, myth doesn't have anything to worry about :) Just scouting for ideas |
| [23:10:24] | juski: | unless anybody wants to turn mythtv into a thing with unintuitive menu navigation & choppy media playback |
| [23:10:26] | orogor: | tv_cat ? i dont think that would do the job |
| [23:10:50] | orogor: | specially because depending on the grabber you get different xml ids for the same channels |
| [23:11:29] | sphery: | you'll have to correct that, but you probably should configure xmltv (both scripts) so they don't both download different info for the same channel |
| [23:11:32] | orogor: | and some grabber only have detailled informationf ro daytime , while some other have low information for 24/7 |
| [23:12:07] | sphery: | I still haven't heard a reason why it won't work |
| [23:12:18] | sphery: | you have to choose one source of data for a particular channel |
| [23:12:40] | sphery: | if you're saying you want to take the best parts of the listings for the same channel from different sources, you're trying to write your own xmltv grabber |
| [23:12:49] | sphery: | (just grabs from xmltv files instead of web pages) |
| [23:12:59] | sphery: | anyway, a lot of people are using tv_cat |
| [23:13:30] | sphery: | it's the /only/ supported way of getting listings from multiple listings sources into a single video source in Myth |
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| [23:13:43] | sphery: | feel free to write a patch for Myth if you think it should be built in |
| [23:13:58] | orogor: | i run 3 times mythfill dtaabase with the 3 xml files i get from grabbers |
| [23:14:53] | kormoc: | orogor, or use tv_cat to concat the 3 xml files together and run one mythfilldatabase with that xml file? |
| [23:14:55] | sphery: | rather than running mythfilldatabase once after running 3 tv_grab scripts and concatenating with tv_cat? |
| [23:15:07] | sphery: | mfdb is /very/ heavyweight |
| [23:15:13] | sphery: | much better to run it only once |
| [23:15:37] | sphery: | plus, it can change channel info--especially when your channels aren't all in the listings |
| [23:16:14] | gbee: | just watch me disable that functionality |
| [23:16:27] | gbee: | it's useless in a digital age |
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| [23:17:43] | kormoc: | yeah? mythfilldatabase functionality? ;) |
| [23:17:54] | jduggan: | gbee: do you use eit on dvb-s? |
| [23:18:12] | sphery: | think he means mfdb changing channel info |
| [23:18:20] | kormoc: | ahh |
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| [23:18:47] | gbee: | jduggan: mix, xmltv for some channels, eit for the rest |
| [23:18:50] | sphery: | gbee: but if you disable that, look out for the Virgin 1 -> Virgin +1 changes! |
| [23:19:33] | sphery: | that was a joke--there's not much (if anything) mfdb changes on digital channels |
| [23:19:42] | ** orogor cries ** | |
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| [23:20:15] | sphery: | smithna: look at the ticket |
| [23:20:19] | orogor: | dvb-t livetc works , i add iptv, livetv doesn t want to start anymore |
| [23:20:23] | sphery: | i.e. [20971] |
| [23:20:40] | eNRGy: | Can anyone help me with why my myth box might be playing MP4 videos in slow motion when eveything else works great? CPU use is low. |
| [23:20:41] | orogor: | TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started |
| [23:21:17] | eNRGy: | Audio in slow-mo too |
| [23:21:37] | sphery: | eNRGy: -fixes or trunk? |
| [23:21:56] | eNRGy: | Err the version delivered by Ubuntu |
| [23:22:28] | sphery: | playback in MythVideo? Using what player? Internal? |
| [23:22:31] | eNRGy: | It's a front end box that's been working great for ages, but never had mp4 videos before |
| [23:22:34] | eNRGy: | Yeah internal player |
| [23:22:52] | eNRGy: | MythVideo yeah |
| [23:23:41] | eNRGy: | Dunno where to start – the videos are great on my Ubuntu desktop |
| [23:23:58] | sphery: | and what do you mean by "MP4 videos"? |
| [23:24:04] | sphery: | MPEG-4 Part 14 container? |
| [23:24:08] | sphery: | what CODEC inside? |
| [23:24:10] | eNRGy: | Err videos with mp4 file extension |
| [23:24:17] | gbee: | ffmpeg – i |
| [23:24:19] | eNRGy: | I have no idea – how can I find out? |
| [23:24:31] | gbee: | ffmpeg – i {filename} |
| [23:26:52] | eNRGy: | That gives lots of output ending with "Unable to find a suitable output format for 'pipe:'" |
| [23:27:10] | sphery: | pastebin all the output, please |
| [23:27:41] | eNRGy: | FFmpeg version 0.5-svn17737+3:0.svn20090303–1ubuntu6, Copyright (c) 2000–2009 Fabrice Bellard, et al. |
| [23:27:41] | eNRGy: | configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-postproc --enable-swscale --enable-x11grab --extra-version=svn17737+3:0.svn20090303–1ubuntu6 --prefix=/usr --enable-avfilter --enable-avfilter-lavf --enable-libgsm --enable-libschroedinger --enable-libspeex --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --enable-pthreads --disable-stripping --disable-vhook --enable-libdc1394 --disable-armv5te --disable-armv6 --disable-armv6t2 --disable-armvfp --disable-ne |
| [23:27:41] | eNRGy: | --disable-altivec --disable-vis --enable-shared --disable-static |
| [23:27:41] | eNRGy: | libavutil 49.15. 0 / 49.15. 0 |
| [23:27:43] | eNRGy: | libavcodec 52.20. 0 / 52.20. 0 |
| [23:27:45] | eNRGy: | libavformat 52.31. 0 / 52.31. 0 |
| [23:27:47] | eNRGy: | libavdevice 52. 1. 0 / 52. 1. 0 |
| [23:27:49] | eNRGy: | libavfilter 0. 4. 0 / 0. 4. 0 |
| [23:27:51] | eNRGy: | libswscale 0. 7. 1 / 0. 7. 1 |
| [23:27:53] | eNRGy: | libpostproc 51. 2. 0 / 51. 2. 0 |
| [23:27:53] | sphery: | pastebin is http://pastebin.ca/ |
| [23:27:55] | eNRGy: | built on Apr 10 2009 23:18:41, gcc: 4.3.3 |
| [23:27:57] | eNRGy: | Unable to find a suitable output format for 'pipe:' |
| [23:28:33] | eNRGy: | Oh sorry I read that as "paste in" |
| [23:28:37] | sphery: | eNRGy: you didn't have the filename after the command line... this, time, though, please use http://pastebin.ca/ |
| [23:28:49] | sphery: | ffmpeg -i {filename} |
| [23:28:56] | sphery: | put your .mp4 filename there |
| [23:29:07] | eNRGy: | no worries I get the pastebin thing now |
| [23:29:12] | eNRGy: | I did put the filename though |
| [23:30:09] | iamlindoro: | -i with no space |
| [23:30:25] | iamlindoro: | and is this MP4 courtesy of handbrake? |
| [23:30:27] | eNRGy: | ahh yeah that's got it |
| [23:30:29] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg -i filename.mp4 |
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| [23:31:31] | ** iamlindoro suspects that Handbrake has broken the container again ** | |
| [23:31:46] | iamlindoro: | What is the source of the movie? What did you use to encode it? |
| [23:31:53] | iamlindoro: | (and we'll still take that pastebin output) |
| [23:32:31] | eNRGy: | http://pastebin.ca/1513042 |
| [23:33:11] | iamlindoro: | What is the source of this file? What did you use to encode it? |
| [23:33:13] | eNRGy: | The files were provided by someone else, I don't know anything about them technically |
| [23:33:24] | iamlindoro: | Erm... too vague |
| [23:35:10] | iamlindoro: | Renaming the file file.mp4, and it being a cropped HD movie size and length doesn't bode well, though |
| [23:35:25] | ** iamlindoro becomes officially disinterested ** | |
| [23:35:28] | eNRGy: | I renamed it because it had spaces |
| [23:35:40] | eNRGy: | I was struggling with the ffmpeg bit |
| [23:35:43] | iamlindoro: | So *what is it*? |
| [23:35:44] | kormoc: | renamed it from .what to .mp4? |
| [23:35:55] | iamlindoro: | What is the content, what is the original source |
| [23:36:05] | kormoc: | what is the fifth bit from the right? |
| [23:36:12] | kormoc: | and did it have dinner with your mother? |
| [23:36:14] | sphery: | 1 |
| [23:36:17] | sphery: | oh, wait 0 |
| [23:36:19] | sphery: | no, both |
| [23:36:24] | GreyFoxx: | hmmmmmm informal poll here..... do most of you run your backend as root or as another user ? |
| [23:36:25] | sphery: | (it's a q-bit) |
| [23:36:27] | kormoc: | oh noes! I'm so confizzled! |
| [23:36:34] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, root |
| [23:36:35] | sphery: | GreyFoxx: mythtv user |
| [23:36:35] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Another user |
| [23:36:45] | eNRGy: | It was .mp4 originally? |
| [23:36:45] | GreyFoxx: | <<--root |
| [23:36:51] | sphery: | iamlindoro: does all of *buntu use another user? |
| [23:36:52] | eNRGy: | I'm lost.. what are you asking me? |
| [23:37:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery: They use MythTV |
| [23:37:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | GreyFoxx: mythtv user |
| [23:37:23] | iamlindoro: | eNRGy: "Is this pirated material" and if no, then you need to be prepared to give info on its pedigree |
| [23:37:44] | iamlindoro: | like what it is, where it came from, and then I *might* be able to figure out why the muxing when horribly wrong |
| [23:38:01] | brad2: | grey: root |
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| [23:38:17] | GreyFoxx: | so 50/50 so far :) |
| [23:38:23] | kormoc: | Grey is to root as Blue is to? |
| [23:38:31] | iamlindoro: | Bloot? |
| [23:38:31] | brad2: | but bear in mind i'm a complete newb, and have no idea what i'm doing, haha |
| [23:38:39] | eNRGy: | It's a training video for my work.. no idea how I can give you pedigree heh |
| [23:38:44] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: classic! rotfl! |
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| [23:39:08] | iamlindoro: | Pfft, training video |
| [23:39:10] | sphery: | kormoc: does Gentoo always use root? |
| [23:39:12] | iamlindoro: | maybe if you work at the movie theatres |
| [23:39:32] | iamlindoro: | I would have given at least a hint if I felt I was getting an honest answer... as it is, it's time to go home |
| [23:39:33] | sphery: | if so, we need a Red Hat/Fedora user to break the distro tie (Ubuntu = mythtv, Gentoo = root) |
| [23:39:41] | orogor: | sphery, would u knoiw why livetv doesn t start ? http://pastebin.com/m31785105 |
| [23:39:42] | kormoc: | sphery, nah, Gentoo defaults to mythtv |
| [23:40:01] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I'm running Fedora... and using mythtv user ... ;-) |
| [23:40:04] | kormoc: | and my ebuilds will as well, I just override it locally |
| [23:40:05] | sphery: | ah, so the distro's are heavily weighted toward mythtv |
| [23:40:22] | brad2: | i'm fedora :) |
| [23:40:23] | ** sphery considers using a vthtym user, instead ** | |
| [23:40:33] | kormoc: | MythicalTV |
| [23:40:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | MyTivo? :-O |
| [23:41:01] | kormoc: | I really should switch over to using mythtv for my backend, and now's the time to |
| [23:41:02] | sphery: | MythicalConvergenceTV? |
| [23:41:13] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, so count me as migrating to user mythtv ;) |
| [23:41:23] | AndyCap: | rpmfusion's initscripts run it as root in F11 |
| [23:41:27] | ** gbee weighs in late with 'mythtv' ** | |
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| [23:41:37] | kormoc: | AndyCap, it doesn't switch users? |
| [23:41:48] | gbee: | but I've no idea what the packages for mandriva do, I've never used them |
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| [23:42:16] | sphery: | AndyCap: what? so Fedora goes both ways? |
| [23:42:18] | AndyCap: | kormoc: no, my last install used atrpms, and I hacked the scripts to use another user iirc. |
| [23:42:29] | GreyFoxx: | kormoc: hehe |
| [23:42:36] | GreyFoxx: | too late! |
| [23:42:36] | sphery: | guess you can't mix RPM Fusion and ATrpms packages... |
| [23:42:39] | AndyCap: | sphery: well, J-e-f-f-A didn't say he used rpmfusion |
| [23:43:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | I haven't used packages for a few years now. Cut my teeth on Jarod's guide though... which iirc was ATrpms |
| [23:43:56] | AndyCap: | J-e-f-f-A: correct. |
| [23:44:50] | sphery: | yeah, I know that ATrpms used to use root... don't know for sure what they use now. |
| [23:45:09] | sphery: | I was thinking there were device/HAL/whatever issues that made them stick with root, though |
| [23:45:30] | AndyCap: | this box was just a quickie to test dvb-c, but I'll probably make the "real" install drop root |
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| [23:46:32] | AndyCap: | meh, stupid hal, just as one's figured parts of it out, and found some obscure documentation they're going to drop it in favour of a new shiny. |
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| [23:48:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | AndyCap: Maybe HAL's becoming self-aware, and they want to stop him before he takes over! ;-) |
| [23:48:35] | sphery: | what's the new HAL? GZK? |
| [23:48:56] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: don't tell kormoc... he's already concerned about skynet |
| [23:49:05] | AndyCap: | hehe, devicekitt, uhm, kit... |
| [23:49:42] | sphery: | so policykit-like stuff? |
| [23:49:56] | AndyCap: | sphery: dunno yet, but probably yes. |
| [23:50:18] | AndyCap: | wth is with all the StudlyCaps and *Kit |
| [23:51:49] | gbee: | bane of open source is the constant desire to re-invent the wheel |
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| [23:52:11] | AndyCap: | we are the knights who say NIH. |
| [23:54:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: So you don't believe in skynet? What's this world coming to? |
| [23:54:17] | gbee: | packagers/distros buy in to new things far too easily, I mean, screw the users they can learn to use a new app right? Never mind the fact that they had just got comfortable and all their files are now in the wrong format etc |
| [23:54:22] | sphery: | But the question is, "Does skynet believe in /me/?" |
| [23:54:56] | gbee: | still smarting over the decision to drop kpowersave in favour of a shitty plasma widget |
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| [23:55:18] | gbee: | kpowersave itself replaced klaptop just 18 months earlier |
| [23:56:35] | gbee: | expect to see kpowertool in the next release, to be superceeded by kwe'verunoutofnames in 2011 |
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| [23:58:08] | AndyCap: | gbee: nah, you'll have a new power distribution framework called Electron |
| [23:59:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: hehe... tried to join with a nic of 'SkyNet' and it dropped me immediately... doh!!!! |
| [23:59:21] | sphery: | heh, wow |
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