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Thursday, July 23rd, 2009, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:10] mazda01: iamlindoro, that's a good idea but if I run through a tunnel won't it slow everything down to an unwatchable state?
[00:00:14] wagnerrp: mazda01: is there anything anywhere on the web that may link back to your website?
[00:00:25] wagnerrp: google has no reason to spider something it doesnt know exists
[00:00:27] iamlindoro: mazda01, no
[00:00:37] wagnerrp: if you never link it anywhere, google will never index it
[00:00:58] mazda01: wagnerrp, i don't think so.
[00:01:17] wagnerrp: check your apache logs, see if 'googlebot' has ever access your website
[00:01:49] mazda01: iamlindoro, i will look into closing my web port and only have ssh open. i just hate having to carry my public key everywhere and having to run putty from a memory stick and whatnot.
[00:02:14] mazda01: wagnerrp, which apache2 log. there are many. errors etc etc.
[00:02:25] wagnerrp: access logs
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[00:05:24] mazda01: wagnerrp, the googlebot is not in my logs
[00:05:35] mazda01: does anyone know where vlc logs would be?
[00:05:40] wagnerrp: then chances are you are not index
[00:06:15] wagnerrp: even if you are indexed, chances are no one is going to log into your server and delete all your recordings in the couple minutes/hours youre going to have protection off to work out your problem
[00:06:31] mazda01: when I do locate vlc.log I find nothing
[00:06:32] wagnerrp: and as iamlindoro stated, you can always disable port forwarding to your server temporarily
[00:07:13] wagnerrp: this room is not for help with VLC, and as far as i know, VLC does not log by default
[00:07:23] mazda01: how do use locate with 2 words but I don't know what's in front,middle or end. like vlc and lg
[00:07:29] mazda01: vlc and log i mea
[00:07:31] mazda01: vlc and log i mean
[00:07:40] mazda01: wagnerrp, ok. sorry
[00:07:55] wagnerrp: vlc probably only outputs to the terminal
[00:07:58] ** kormoc needs to add the noindex,nofollow meta tags to 0.21 fixes and trunk **
[00:08:12] wagnerrp: so run it from a terminal, add a couple '-v's, and try again
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[00:15:13] plextortv402u: Hey all, I just wanted to throw it out there if anybody runs across the same issue--the go7007 driver (as patched at go7007.imploder.org which is referenced by mythtv.org/wiki/Plextor_PX-TV402U) will work under myth .21 and kernel 2.6.28, with a minor patch to avoid input/fmt set ioctls when already correctly configured. As soon as I clean it up for public consumption I'll post the patch. hooray!
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[00:20:04] sphery: mazda01: OK, maybe find orphans doesn't require specifying a directory... rebuild database does
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[00:47:55] sphery: wagnerrp: So, that script seems to be myth_archive_jobs.pl in python
[00:48:04] sphery: no new host functionalitiy
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[01:16:49] iamlindoro: Anduin, new patch submitted for the MythVideo-new-feature-patch-of-doom. No, I won't ask.  :)
[01:17:01] iamlindoro: anyway, just fixes compile of mythbrowser with it applied
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[01:32:35] iamlindoro: Umm.. very weird. Facebook just suggested that I add DanielK as a friend, even though as far as I can tell, we have 0 friends in common
[01:33:15] mazda01: trying to play a downloaded asx file, vlc -vv returns these important messages. I trimmed it only relevant info (i thought to be relevant) http://pastebin.com/f7e1e671a
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[02:36:10] wagnerrp: sphery: what script is that?
[02:36:40] wagnerrp: oh, the mythDiskBalancer thing?
[02:37:28] sphery: right
[02:37:56] sphery: it's even designed a lot like myth_archive_job.pl--has a hard-coded list of dirs that the user edits :)
[02:38:42] wagnerrp: couldnt even spend as many lines to just pull them out of the database?
[02:38:58] sphery: heh
[02:39:06] wagnerrp: it wouldnt be more than maybe 10 lines, even without the help of the bindings
[02:39:11] sphery: the perl one was pre-SG's, so it has an excuse
[02:39:27] wagnerrp: yeah, but the storage folder was still stored in the database
[02:39:44] sphery: yeah, the hard part is the whole supporting multiple hosts thing--some dirs may/may not be available on some hosts
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[02:40:31] sphery: so it would need a real fallback--the same as the StorageGroup class uses--which needs some mods (we need different fallbacks for reading (permissive) and writing (more strict))
[02:42:04] wagnerrp: well even doing multiple hosts should be fairly trivial
[02:42:16] wagnerrp: you just run it once on each backend
[02:42:35] sphery: right, but I meant more figuring out which directories apply for the current host
[02:42:36] wagnerrp: and since its the same program, it should make the same decisions of what to move where
[02:42:52] sphery: since you should define dirs on the MBE and only override them if the list differs for this host
[02:43:34] sphery: so you have to look for ones for this host and if none, then look for ones on mbe
[02:44:10] wagnerrp: arent storage group directories listed with a hostname
[02:44:14] sphery: but the SG class currently goes this host->ignore hostname
[02:44:34] sphery: so we can get dirs from other hosts that aren't valid here
[02:44:50] sphery: (not a problem for reading, but it's a problem for writing--thus the need for modifications)
[02:45:15] sphery: yeah, but they aren't specified on all hosts (if configured properly)
[02:45:32] sphery: if the list is the same on all hosts, it should only be specified on the mbe
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[02:47:23] sphery: wow... guy on -users list wants Burn DVD on the main menu/top menu. Just how many DVD's could he make?
[02:48:24] wagnerrp: i imagine thats one of the lesser used features
[02:48:34] wagnerrp: thats not even a main feature is it? isnt it a plugin?
[02:48:53] wagnerrp: part of mytharchive
[02:48:55] sphery: yeah, at least he's just asking for how to do it for himself instead of demanding that the devs change it
[02:48:59] sphery: yeah, mytharchive
[02:49:28] wagnerrp: well i know there are different theme layouts, is that just hard coded?
[02:50:09] sphery: I have no idea--haven't ever felt a need to play with menu themes
[02:50:26] sphery: (Jump points make the menus pretty much useless for me.)
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[02:54:46] cornell: sphery: got that agp nvidia 6200 in, and with cesman's help got it working, and it is seriously nice. Thanks for recommending it.
[02:55:05] sphery: cornell: great... glad it's working for you
[02:57:41] mazda01: cornell, i have that same graphics card. are there any options tha I should be aware of to optimze it?
[02:58:12] mazda01: cornell, do you use comiz?
[02:58:16] mazda01: compiz
[03:10:03] cornell: mazda01: I don't know, probably, I haven't done anything but get it working and I'm real happy.
[03:10:50] cornell: And now, I don't use compiz. The box is a LinHES (mythtv on archlinux) slave/front end. I just watch tv ;-)
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[03:22:01] mazda01: cornell, ok
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[04:22:51] mazda01: trying to play a downloaded asx file, vlc -vv returns these important messages. I trimmed it only relevant info (i thought to be relevant) http://pastebin.com/f7e1e671a
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[04:33:36] iamlindoro: We aren't experts at VLC, why not ask in #videolan?
[04:33:54] iamlindoro: fairly obvious it's not dealing with authentication, ask them how to make it do so
[04:51:21] Dagmar: hah
[04:51:29] Dagmar: Open the asx file in Wordpad already
[04:51:33] Dagmar: *chuckle*
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[05:09:28] jblack: Lately I've been getting shows in my recordings that don't exist. I just checked the log for one and it says the show finished recording, but it's not there on the filesystem. Any thoughts?
[05:09:59] iamlindoro: check dmesg for card issues
[05:10:42] iamlindoro: and check the initial tune to the channel in the backend log to see if anything shows there
[05:11:19] jblack: I found some odd zm... errors in syslog. Things like Restarting capture daemon, can't get shared memory, etc.
[05:12:56] jblack: never mind. that's zoneminder
[05:16:43] jblack: No, I don't see anything in the logs that indicate brokenness
[05:19:27] jblack: However, that backend has a quite old 0.21. i should upgrade it before bothering this channel further
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[05:24:06] sphery: mazda01: see the big old comment right at the top of your mythweb.conf (Apache httpd configuration file) that says, "If you intend to use authentication for MythWeb (see below), you will probably also want to uncomment the following rules, which disable authentication for MythWeb's download URLs so you can properly stream to media players that don't work with authenticated servers."
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[06:55:06] juski: blah. still no replies
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[07:24:35] juski: arghhh have to make cables up but nobody can tell me what pins the signals on the other end are allocated to. How am I supposed to know which pin of a DB9 rs422 TX- goes to? effers!
[07:24:58] juski: woo look in the datasheet. Wait, there is no datasheet
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[07:48:03] juski: heh so there's one somebody prepared earlier, only its pinouts don't match what has been specified. Com1 pins are on 2 different plugs. I ****ing give up
[07:48:57] wagnerrp: trial and error, and hope you dont blow something out by grounding it... :)
[07:51:29] juski: yeah? when I don't have anything to test it with – i.e. what it's meant to plug into...
[07:51:53] juski: rucking fetards
[07:52:31] wagnerrp: fetard... its like calling someone a stupid baby
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[07:55:07] grung0r: can anyone help me out with importing a channels.conf file? I've done it quite a few times before, but this time I've hit an absolute dead end
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[08:03:39] juski: well, you should *really* be scanning within mythtv-setup
[08:03:46] stuart: Morning all, can anyone help me with this error while compiling mythmusic from svn "visualize.h:35:32: error: missing binary operator before token "double""
[08:04:19] wagnerrp: not often that you break a header file
[08:04:20] juski: stuart: not enough to go on. pastebin the whole of the output, not just what you think is the error
[08:04:33] stuart: ok 2 ticks
[08:04:40] wagnerrp: usually that means configure is picking up the wrong c compiler
[08:04:53] wagnerrp: or possibly running it in the wrong standard
[08:05:06] stuart: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1504139
[08:05:38] grung0r: I don't want to have to manually asiagn each channel. and I don't think I'm picking them all up
[08:05:47] stuart: good clue, ill go check
[08:05:48] wagnerrp: '-march=pentiumpro' is almost certainly something you dont want to do
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[08:07:23] stuart: thats set by configure, but i can manually set it
[08:07:50] wagnerrp: i cant imagine configure has set that as a default
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[08:10:36] laga: it is
[08:11:34] juski: grung0r: you don't have to manually assign every channel. sheesh
[08:11:48] stuart: ok it failed again http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1504152
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[08:14:59] grung0r: juski: What do I do then? I have a bunch of channels that are numbered sothing along the lines of #81__8. they have no xmlid numbers. if there is another way to assign the listings to those channels, I'd love to hear it.
[08:15:28] juski: well inserting a channels.conf file won't assign xmltvids either
[08:15:50] grung0r: if it's made by somebody else it will
[08:15:57] juski: no it won't
[08:16:13] juski: channels.conf files only contain *tuning* information
[08:16:47] stuart: Does my error have anything to do with gcc-4.4.0? its the only compiler on the system and mythtv compiled fine
[08:17:12] juski: stuart: did you *install* the mythtv you compiled before trying to build the plugins?
[08:17:24] stuart: yep its installed
[08:17:58] stuart: im just trying the other plugins
[08:18:50] grung0r: well, okay. I'd still like to import one, becuase I don't think the scanner is picking up all the qam channels
[08:19:20] grung0r: based on others experinces on the same system in the same area
[08:19:34] juski: ahh your cable provider is broken :)
[08:19:53] grung0r: aren't they all?
[08:20:22] dividehex: grung0r: who is your cable provider?
[08:20:31] grung0r: comcast
[08:21:05] dividehex: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan
[08:22:01] dividehex: I had to use scte65scan to get my Qam freq to match the scheduledirect data
[08:22:52] dividehex: i also noticed the scanner wasn't picking up all the qam channels
[08:23:30] dividehex: but using scte65scan filled in the missing channels
[08:23:44] juski: that'd be because the provider has customised the spec it's technically supposed to adhere to
[08:24:05] grung0r: alrighty, I'll give it a shot. thanks
[08:24:11] juski: and scte65scan works around that, as mythtv will likely have to at some point
[08:24:26] dividehex: hence 'the provider is broken'
[08:24:50] juski: precisely :)
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[08:31:33] stuart: Doesnt look like a gcc-4.4.0 error, mytharchive, video and gallery all compile cleanly
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[08:35:12] juski: woo something's going down in Birmingham
[08:41:22] stuart: which birmingham?
[08:42:55] stuart: found it, not alot of info
[08:43:24] Dibblah: Argh. Too many stuarts :( ;)
[08:43:41] juski: time for cull?
[08:43:48] laga: 7nick steward
[08:43:54] juski: or just stop more coming in?
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[09:43:43] Dibblah: Well, problem solved, I guess ;)
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[10:10:45] stuartm: heh, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/23/micro . . . l_violation/
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[10:39:06] AndyCap: well, it was break away from the ordinary.
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[11:59:57] mazda01: trying to play a downloaded asx file, vlc -vv returns these important messages. I trimmed it only relevant info (i thought to be relevant) http://pastebin.com/f7e1e671a
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[12:13:34] stuartm: mazda01: you've setup a password? it's trying and failing to authenticate, probably because vlc doesn't support authentication, you could exclude the /stream and it's children from the password protected directories
[12:14:27] stuartm: it's more of an apache config problem
[12:14:37] mazda01: stuartm, is there a guide for doing this? I am not really good with apache2 configuration
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[12:33:10] stuartm: many expect, but I don't have a link handy
[12:33:13] tmkt: any reason why Mythtv when scnning for channels won't detect one of the channels that my tv finds?
[12:34:10] stuartm: tmkt: broadcaster error, or you picked the wrong frequency table – to name two
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[12:34:53] stuartm: channel might be marked as encrypted, even if it isn't and you've enabled "Unencrypted channels only"
[12:35:25] tmkt: hmm
[12:35:42] tmkt: when i try to add it manually i end up getting some other channel
[12:36:02] tmkt: CityTV Toronto
[12:36:39] tmkt: funny thing is..when i add it manually..i get another channel that i get on tv..but not on mythtv...a worship channel, but dont care about that one
[12:36:42] tmkt: all OTA
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[12:40:20] laga: tmkt: sounds like wrong frequency table
[12:40:41] tmkt: yeah...trying to find the proper data for it
[12:41:21] tmkt: thought it would be 57_1 freqid 57
[12:57:20] Essobi: Good Morning
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[13:22:18] Fleischwurst: Witch kind of IR i must choose in Controlcenter for my NOVA-HD-S2 . Ican use DVB-S in mythbuntu, but not th IR-Remote
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[14:01:53] sgtpepper: Do I have to activate something for mythweb to display the mythvideo module? I'm using at rpms
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[14:15:03] juski: you have to configure mythvideo, yeah
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[14:55:13] tmkt: does xawtv use the same technique as mythtv for channel scanning?
[14:55:26] tmkt: wondering if i should try it to see if it picks up the channel that mythtv is missing
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[14:56:36] systemloc: What's more stable for hulu? Mythvodka or mythstreams or something else?
[14:57:11] iamlindoro: Neither will work with hulu
[14:57:22] iamlindoro: You can bring up hulu.com in mythbrowser, though
[14:57:47] iamlindoro: It works, and doesn't violate their terms of service to boot
[14:58:28] systemloc: is the wiki out of date? It claims mythVodka works for hulu
[14:58:34] iamlindoro: Yes
[14:58:48] systemloc: bah, too bad
[14:58:48] iamlindoro: hulu has long since changed their countermeasures
[14:59:00] systemloc: it's a PITA to use the browser
[14:59:17] iamlindoro: Hulu's ToS only allows one to use a browser
[15:00:05] systemloc: pooh.. A mythtv plugin would benefit them hugely.. stupid corporate minds
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[15:00:58] iamlindoro: Well, debateable, but until they change their Terms of Service, there will never be an official Hulu Plugin
[15:01:24] systemloc: yup.. I'm just lamenting
[15:01:39] iamlindoro: I suspect at some point they will come up with an API if they want to remain relevant
[15:02:29] tmkt: so myththvodka is a replacement for mythstream
[15:02:30] systemloc: seriously... imagine a prebuilt, preconfigured media machine w/ mythtv.. buy it, plug it in to internet, and bing, you got hulu on-demand video.. better than free cable :)
[15:02:50] iamlindoro: no, mythvodka is not the replacement for mythstream
[15:03:08] tmkt: mythstreams
[15:03:12] tmkt: different thing i guess
[15:03:31] iamlindoro: yep, third party plugin authors and poor naming choices :)
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[15:03:49] mkrufky: omg comic-con is already underway
[15:03:54] mkrufky: this means new LOST footage coming soon!
[15:04:17] iamlindoro: However, with all the RTMP sites (iPlayer and Hulu) having changed their countermeasures and RTMPDump having been DMCA'd off the face of the earth, MythVodka is prety much a dead duck
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[15:04:37] iamlindoro: mkrufky: And new Lost ARG stuff
[15:04:53] mkrufky: yeah!
[15:04:56] mkrufky: how exciting
[15:05:02] mkrufky: <-- dork
[15:05:07] iamlindoro: heh
[15:05:19] sphery: sgtpepper: It's been reported by 3 people, now, but no one has tracked down a cause.
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[15:09:18] systemloc: iamlindoro: do you know for a fact hulu works in mythbrowser? I found a few google hits that claim mythbrowser doesn't do flash, thus won't work
[15:09:25] sphery: sgtpepper: by "clean" logs, I was trying to say, delete your logs, then start mythbackend/mythfrontend, then go to the LiveTV, then change channels and make it fail, then shut down (i.e. just one failure)
[15:09:40] iamlindoro: systemloc: Having been on hulu in the past two days with it, yes.
[15:09:52] systemloc: iamlindoro: awesome, thanks
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[15:09:59] iamlindoro: both in trunk's QTWebKit browser, or by using firefox as the browser in .21
[15:10:01] ** sphery assumes systemloc is using trunk **
[15:10:21] sphery: ah, yeah, external browser in 0.21
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[15:11:34] systemloc: I just updated to 0.21.. would it be better to run trunk in the case that I want to use hulu often?
[15:11:46] iamlindoro: no
[15:11:50] iamlindoro: very no
[15:11:59] systemloc: so just use firefox?
[15:12:04] iamlindoro: yes
[15:12:22] iamlindoro: and .22 will be out in the nearish future anyway, which saves you having to run (unstable) trunk
[15:12:26] systemloc: what do you use to navigate? mouse? remote control?
[15:12:56] squidly: iamlindoro: any eta on .22 release to stable?
[15:13:05] iamlindoro: The former in .21, the latter is possible in trunk/future .22
[15:13:15] iamlindoro: squidly: nothing except "Soon"
[15:13:16] sulx: 0.22 is coming within 10 years
[15:13:29] iamlindoro: I'll even go so far as "real soon"
[15:13:30] sulx: approx
[15:13:40] Josh_Borke: sulx: don't be so optimistic sulx, give a little more wiggle room :D
[15:13:42] squidly: iamlindoro: thought so. Just wondering what if anyone set a date yet
[15:13:48] systemloc: iamlindoro: ah, thanks. :( I'll wait for .22.. I draw the line at needing a mouse to watch tv
[15:13:51] sulx: hehe
[15:13:58] sulx: trunk has matured much lately
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[15:14:33] tmkt: nearish future?
[15:14:58] iamlindoro: Yes
[15:15:05] Josh_Borke: tmkt: what timescale? it'll happen in a blink of an eye on a geological time scale
[15:15:13] tmkt: real soon is encouraging
[15:16:54] ** squidly is reading the update list looks pretty good! **
[15:17:49] sphery: systemloc: you should draw the line at needing a 4GHz CPU to watch (completely unaccelerated) poor-quality Flash video that still tears and glitches
[15:17:54] tmkt: squidly send me the link?
[15:18:02] squidly: tmkt: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.22
[15:18:09] tmkt: thanks
[15:18:12] squidly: np
[15:18:24] systemloc: sphery: for real...
[15:18:58] iamlindoro: That's a very partial list
[15:19:03] sphery: I've used Hulu for a couple of missed episodes of shows I love, and it's alway been very painful.
[15:19:21] squidly: iamlindoro: I know, but it's better then nothing. Do you have a better list of the updates?
[15:19:26] iamlindoro: that only shows you what changes a few of us decided to drop in there, and misses most of them
[15:19:32] iamlindoro: squidly: the svn commit log
[15:19:49] iamlindoro: Plain english descriptions of each and every change
[15:20:17] squidly: :D
[15:20:26] tmkt: iamlindoro other then the qt4 stuff, what would you say the biggest changes are?
[15:20:29] ** squidly wonders if I can get a anon snv pull ;) **
[15:21:04] systemloc: sphery: yeah.. and then Hollywood wonders why piracy is rampant..
[15:21:07] tmkt: ah..channel scanning improvement..maybe that will find the missing channel i have
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[15:21:26] iamlindoro: tmkt: MythUI, HD-PVR support, VDPAU, new channel scanner, more or less rewrites of half the plugins, new default theme, etc. etc.... it's over a year of changes, hard for me to summarize, just read the commit log
[15:21:32] sphery: tmkt: the Qt4 changes are major from a development perspective but have no bearing on the user experience--other than prerequisites
[15:21:45] sphery: MythUI is the /huge/ change for 0.22
[15:22:01] sphery: a man formerly-known-as gbee worked miracles on that one...
[15:22:16] iamlindoro: Alas, poor gbee... I knew him, sphery
[15:22:28] tmkt: k
[15:22:45] iamlindoro: a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy
[15:22:45] sphery: yeah, back when stuarts were afraid to make their names known...
[15:22:53] tmkt: going to be any RC or just straight to 0.22?
[15:22:59] sphery: They were tough times for stuarts
[15:23:05] iamlindoro: he hath borne me on his back a thousand times
[15:23:19] Dibblah: Okay. Waaay too much information.
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[15:23:55] iamlindoro: tmkt: There was some discussion of a pre-22 tarball. Whether it will happen is anyone's guess, and in any case it shouldn't be used as a "technology preview," but by people interested in fixing remaining bugs
[15:24:06] ** sphery wonders if iamlindoro has been going to many Rennaissance fairs, lately... **
[15:24:16] iamlindoro: Dibblah: You can thank Bill Shakespeare for the information, I just interpret :)
[15:24:47] sphery: tmkt: /especially/ since anyone who previews the technology can /not/ go back to the stable version when they find said bugs (i.e. upgrade is a one-way road)
[15:24:58] iamlindoro: sphery: I got tons of extra credit in the 8th grade for memorizing the two big soliliquys from Hamlet and reciting them to the class-- burned onto my memory now
[15:24:59] Dibblah: No it isn't...
[15:25:10] sphery: (OK, if you find the bugs fast enough and decide you don't want it, you can restore the pre-upgrade backup, but...)
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[15:25:14] Dibblah: The backup it automatically does,...
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[15:26:18] sphery: wow, speak of mythui devil...
[15:26:48] Dibblah: stuartm – Hmm, this is going to take some getting used to ;)
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[15:26:49] tmkt: guess i should wait for sunny clear day to do a channel scan to find this missing channel
[15:27:05] sphery: sgtpepper: saw it... will require digging to figure out what's going on--it's /definitely/ not an obvious bug
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[15:27:42] sphery: tmkt: or redirect power from the phazers to the scanner array...
[15:27:48] tmkt: :D
[15:28:06] tmkt: you guys think this would be useful/successfull?
[15:28:09] tmkt: www.springboardnetworks.com
[15:29:45] squidly: anyeone useing zoneminder with myth?
[15:30:22] squidly: I'm looking at using them but not sure how well they integrage and how powerfull a box I need for the ZM server and the myth backend
[15:30:27] juski: tmkt: adverts while we shop? no frickin thanks
[15:31:13] juski: fwiw, I've been saving a huge amount of money by avoidingthe big 3 supermarkets these last few weeks :D
[15:31:15] tmkt: shopping list on your shopping cart, when you enter ailes it tells you which items on your list are in that row
[15:31:37] tmkt: after 9 years at yahoo...looking for a new job
[15:31:37] juski: tmkt: if I wanted to do that I'd just buy it all online
[15:31:48] ruskie: :)
[15:32:12] Josh_Borke: i doubt it will be successful
[15:32:15] jams: tmkt- how does it sync up with your shopping list?
[15:32:26] iamlindoro: Supermarkets are a fairly low margin business-- asking them to upgrade carts for questionable returns is probably going to fail based on that alone
[15:32:47] juski: iamlindoro: tesco experimented with self-checking trolleys (carts)
[15:32:52] tmkt: you go to the web site and type in your list
[15:32:54] tmkt: i suggested OCR
[15:32:58] tmkt: but thats in the future
[15:32:58] juski: they failed spectacularly
[15:33:05] iamlindoro: juski: figures
[15:33:15] sphery: until they download the list from your brain, I'm out of luck
[15:33:19] juski: iamlindoro: they could tie it in with loyalty card / evil database mining. winner!
[15:33:22] jams: tmkt- based on that alone I think it would fail.
[15:33:39] sphery: (Shopping is boring enough. Writing out a list of things to buy is just wasting more time on it.)
[15:33:45] juski: lol yup
[15:33:46] tmkt: they have supermarkets lineup
[15:33:55] tmkt: lined up
[15:34:04] juski: since we switched, I no longer find shopping stressful even on a saturday
[15:34:20] juski: yay lidl, aldi & the poor people's shops :D
[15:34:54] juski: spending up to half as much money buying twice as much stuff, which tastes better & lasts longer. go figure
[15:35:13] iamlindoro: When I am deep in my training diet and don't want to be exposed to all the junk food at the market, I usually have the groceries delivered-- such a nice service when available
[15:35:33] juski: your resolve is that low? heh
[15:36:24] iamlindoro: juski: When you've been eating raw fruits and vegetables and plain chicken breast for months, and you're working out 2–3 hours a day, anyone's resolve is low
[15:36:55] iamlindoro: I just prefer to remove the temptation
[15:37:05] juski: what, no junk at all? not even a treat once in a while? ouch
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[15:37:24] jams: i rather like the idea, but getting the list into the cart has got to be dead simple and quick. Plus the store needs to be large for it to make any sense at all.
[15:37:49] juski: jams: no such thing as a small mega hyper global market ;-) Walmart?
[15:37:51] iamlindoro: juski: I usually allow myself one meal out or one "out for drinks" a week
[15:38:15] iamlindoro: juski: And it's only when training for an event (like, erm... now)
[15:38:19] juski: heh
[15:38:20] ** iamlindoro noms on some plain spinach **
[15:38:22] tmkt: the one feature i like is how it will suggested recipes
[15:38:25] jams: even most walmarts are not that big
[15:38:29] juski: this is why I couldn't do Atkins
[15:38:30] tmkt: and you can auto add the ingredients to your list
[15:38:34] juski: no treats :(
[15:38:43] iamlindoro: Atkins is an unhealthy joke anyway
[15:39:07] juski: works for weight loss. the other techy here has lost about 5 stone
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[15:39:27] juski: and is losing his job, but that's not cos of the diet ;)
[15:39:28] iamlindoro: If the *only* goal is to lose weight, and not to actually become healthy, then yes, it works
[15:39:33] systemloc: works for weight loss, sure.. but ketoacidotic states are dangerous in multiple ways
[15:39:43] jams: haha maybe it should just be a map with a constant up-to-date "you are here" arrow
[15:40:13] juski: yeah well, don't tell me. Tell the guy who thinks swine flu is a conspiracy to drastically reduce world population
[15:40:20] systemloc: I like the caveman diet concept.. try to eat a historical diet, lots of grains, low fat, low protein
[15:40:29] Dibblah: Also, the problem with the active carts idea is that it's _designed_ to make you spend more.
[15:41:03] juski: Dibblah: like uhh, the actual layout of supermarkets ;)
[15:41:04] Dibblah: By pointing you to higher margin items, "multibuys", etc. All of which overall (unless you game them) disadvantage you.
[15:41:04] jams: i also don't like the built in tracking ability of what you buy, but i suppose most don't care about that
[15:41:22] juski: you not have 'loyalty' card schemes there much?
[15:41:44] juski: they're all over the place here. data mining gone mental
[15:41:46] jams: oh they are all over the place, but i don't use them
[15:41:51] Dibblah: Most people scream "here, have my private data!!!"
[15:42:02] juski: for 10p off a tin of beans. ffs
[15:42:27] juski: it's the kids I worry about. they wanna sign up & do away with this dodgy cumbersome 'cash' stuff
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[15:42:36] jams: tmkt- so were you thinking of installing myth on one of those devices to entertain the kids while shopping?
[15:43:41] ** juski installs mythbarcodereader **
[15:44:08] ** Dibblah really wants a beagleboard. **
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[15:44:41] jams: oh and somebody could revive mythrecipe with full integration.
[15:45:07] ** Dibblah starts to twitch. **
[15:45:08] tmkt: :D
[15:45:10] iamlindoro: juski: Could actually be nice
[15:45:21] tmkt: nah..a company that is interviewing me
[15:45:29] juski: tmkt: their video is silly. if I wanted to sell the idea to supermarkets I wouldn't be emphasising how it's better for their customer
[15:45:30] Dibblah: I read the mythrecipe code once. I think I might have <twitch> recovered.
[15:45:32] iamlindoro: juski: I still think having TMDB add a UPC search to their API would be awesome
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[15:45:57] tmkt: 2.5 months until layoff day
[15:46:08] juski: the video is selling the idea to *shoppers* not the client ;-)
[15:46:45] juski: iamlindoro: yeah could do with it for cd lipping too actually
[15:50:04] sphery: iamlindoro: and we could all get CueCats to read them...
[15:50:16] juski: "We are looking for a Flash Developer. The candidate will be responsible for building Flash based rich multimedia content and data driven web applications", so Concierge is flash-based, huh
[15:50:19] iamlindoro: meow
[15:51:14] tmkt: yeah..
[15:51:21] tmkt: they are having problems finding the flash people
[15:51:29] tmkt: they need a couple sr php devels also
[15:51:36] iamlindoro: And a CPU capable of using flash
[15:51:41] juski: see, I said flash is the future of all UIs didn't I? DIDN'T I?!
[15:51:44] iamlindoro: assume you'll just drag the extension cord behind you
[15:51:57] Tuxteri: so how is it, mythtv s2api support
[15:51:58] juski: oh wait, no I didn't. Heh
[15:52:04] iamlindoro: Tuxteri: nonexistent
[15:53:13] Tuxteri: but is it becoming
[15:53:44] iamlindoro: s/be//
[15:53:49] iamlindoro: yes, at some point
[15:54:21] tmkt: except on iphones
[15:54:25] tmkt: annoying that flash doesn't work
[15:55:33] iamlindoro: tmkt: His point was that flash *isn't* the future-- he was being facetious
[15:55:42] iamlindoro: Flash sucks
[15:56:12] tmkt: yes sir
[15:56:27] wagnerrp: anyone know of any nvidia 8+ series motherboards with a tv-out?
[15:57:05] Tuxteri: iamlindoro: I have already spent 5 years mythtv and I do not want it to abandon s2 support
[15:57:23] iamlindoro: Tuxteri: There's nothing to abandon, it isn't there at all
[15:57:28] juski: it doesn't *have* s2 support
[15:57:52] juski: wagnerrp: if by 'tv-out' you mean HDMI...;)
[15:59:01] iamlindoro: It *will* have S2API support, but that will be when someone capable of doing it finds the time to do so-- and until then, no use complaining as it will just make those who *can* do it more irritated
[15:59:21] wagnerrp: na, looking to build a computer for a motorhome, which means using the existing coaxial video distribution system (and not using $500 HDMI->coax adapters to do it)
[15:59:39] juski: wagnerrp: laptop?
[16:00:17] juski: and uhh... coaxial video distribution? What, so the family can ignore one another even when on holiday? :D
[16:00:52] wagnerrp: no, dvdplayer, vcr, antenna, sat-box are all in the front next to the tv
[16:01:15] wagnerrp: then theres a switchbox that runs it to a unit in the back bedroom, and one to a unit outside in one of the storage compartments
[16:01:31] juski: laptop with tvout,into RF modge :)
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[16:02:45] juski: I must be weird. wherever I go away I actually hope there's no TV
[16:04:55] sgtpepper: is there any imdb.pl kind of script to grab tv episodes data?
[16:05:08] wagnerrp: tmdb.pl
[16:05:14] wagnerrp: err... ttvdb.pl
[16:05:17] wagnerrp: py
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[16:06:06] sgtpepper: oops... 0.22 only
[16:06:17] iamlindoro: tmdb.pl works great w. .21
[16:06:25] iamlindoro: there's even a great wiki page on how to do so
[16:06:26] wagnerrp: but no TV data
[16:06:32] wagnerrp: movies only
[16:06:51] iamlindoro: correct-- if all goes according to plan .22 will include all the code necessary to handle TV episodes as well
[16:06:57] iamlindoro: including a grabber
[16:08:04] sgtpepper: mmm... what a dilemma... should I go to trunk...
[16:08:07] wagnerrp: juski: after a quick run through Dell's lineup, not a single one lists a 'tv-out'
[16:08:18] wagnerrp: just a mix of vga, hdmi, and displayport
[16:08:49] wagnerrp: although even then, it would be cheaper to just go with a desktop and a $40 video card
[16:09:33] wagnerrp: just hoping to not have to get a video card, since just about any micro-atx board i get comes with video
[16:09:38] sgtpepper: iamlindoro: wagnerrp: are you using trunk or 0.21-fixes?
[16:09:43] wagnerrp: trunk
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[16:09:56] sgtpepper: which distro?
[16:09:56] iamlindoro: trunk... but keep in mind that I'm using trunk because I'm writing code for myth
[16:10:03] iamlindoro: and not to play w/ new features
[16:10:19] wagnerrp: yeah, im here for the new toys
[16:10:34] sgtpepper: iamlindoro: btw, the issue I had last week, is a bug
[16:10:34] wagnerrp: im not gonna lie
[16:10:41] sphery: In in -fixes because I like my toys without lead paint.
[16:10:53] sphery: sgtpepper: may be a bug :)
[16:10:59] iamlindoro: ^^\
[16:11:10] sgtpepper: :D
[16:11:15] sphery: until it's found, it's just an interesting coincidence that 3 people have seen similar failures
[16:11:34] Saviq: guys have you encountered errors with VDPAU and DVDs? I'm getting http://paste2.org/p/337591 for one of my rips
[16:11:37] wagnerrp: s/failures/features!/
[16:11:45] Saviq: and then it hangs
[16:12:01] sphery: if you dig into the code and find why it's failing (or, better, how to fix it :) and it's not due to misconfiguration, then I'll agree you have a bug  :)
[16:12:07] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Heh, I actually read it that way the first time
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[16:13:59] iamlindoro: Saviq: pastebin the log output from the start of playback
[16:14:10] juski: Saviq: so long as you're running trunk,folks will sympathise here
[16:14:37] juski: reminds me, haven't seen anevtard round here much
[16:15:00] wagnerrp: nope, not in the current users list
[16:15:01] sphery: he was in #mythtv the other day
[16:15:03] iamlindoro: He pops in to the dev channel to talk to Mark a bit
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[16:15:21] mkrufky: does the MyMote developer hang out in here, by any chance?
[16:15:28] juski: the whut?
[16:15:29] iamlindoro: don't think so
[16:15:30] mkrufky: i set up mymote on the box i built here at work
[16:15:47] sphery: Saviq: there were just some patches that went into trunk in the last day or 2 for DVD issues on VDPAU
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[16:15:52] juski: ah iphone bollocks
[16:15:59] mkrufky: ...and it ROCKS ... it works nice at home, but since i have ~9TB worth of recorsdings and a full channel lineup, the app, i THINK, gets a memory overflow
[16:16:13] juski: mkrufky: MOARRAMZ :)
[16:16:17] mkrufky: but here at work , those features work since i only have a few channels set up and just a few recordings
[16:16:23] sphery: of course, you'd know about all the commits since anyone running trunk is reading the commit list...
[16:16:34] mkrufky: juski: find me upgradeable ipod touch RAM and ill buy it
[16:16:40] juski: heheh
[16:16:45] mkrufky: mymote is the network remote for the itouch/ iphone
[16:16:49] mkrufky: (for myth)
[16:16:58] juski: I wish people would say 'iPod Touch'
[16:17:02] J-e-f-f-A: mkrufky: that's ok, the standard mythweb channel listings and recorded programs crash my phone... (Verizon Voyager)  :-(
[16:17:19] juski: I could go all Jobsian on unbelievers
[16:17:21] J-e-f-f-A: mkrufky: But I've got ~300 channels and ~900 recordings, so go figure...
[16:17:22] mkrufky: i said it!
[16:17:58] sphery: mkrufky: he's come into #mythtv a few times (generally only when he needs stuff) as Chase
[16:18:08] juski: reason I say this is because I was like "wooo wtf is this new 'itouch'?" so I went looking for it on Apple's website
[16:18:14] mkrufky: J-e-f-f-A: maybe it would be an idea to have an option in mythweb to limit output to xxx bytes and provide a link to the "next / prev page" as needed
[16:18:44] ** mkrufky DID say "ipod touch" **
[16:18:46] J-e-f-f-A: mkrufky: yeah, I've thought about that.  ;-) Just haven't had any free time to sit down and look at implementing it.  :-(
[16:18:47] juski: and I'm like "nah, it wouldn't be the iPod Touch because intelligent people don't make up their own names for products"... :D
[16:19:16] mkrufky: in all fairness, i usually say iphone or itouch ... "iTouch" is globally understood
[16:19:32] juski: except by those who don't know the lingo because they weren't in the meeting
[16:19:44] juski: they came to the party a bit late
[16:19:46] mkrufky: and those people wouldnt know how to answer the question anyway
[16:19:50] mkrufky: :-P
[16:20:16] juski: this is just like people calling processors by manufacturers' code names & crap like that
[16:20:33] juski: like unless you read THG every 5 seconds you get left behind in a blink
[16:20:36] ** J-e-f-f-A thinks the iPod Touch is sexy, but needs more storage... and would not be opposed to a HDD model! **
[16:20:37] jams: mkrufky- just got the ITOUCH yesterday, will have to install mymote and give it a try.
[16:20:41] iamlindoro: or like when people call the HD-PVR "the 1212"
[16:20:46] iamlindoro: that drives me insane-o
[16:20:49] sphery: mkrufky: in 0.21-fixes the MythXML returns listings exclusively (i.e. only shows completely contained within the start/end times). I wrote a patch that went into trunk, but Chase had to work around it (and, I don't think he used the most memory-friendly approach to do so--it seemed he shortcutted my recommendation)... I /think/ it autodetects the behavior, though, so with trunk, it should be more memory-light on listings.
[16:20:55] sphery: won't help with recordings, though.
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[16:21:22] mkrufky: i see ....
[16:21:29] sphery: wow... Comic-Con made Google today.
[16:21:33] sphery: (logo)
[16:21:36] mkrufky: i will be very happy to try that out when 0.22 is official
[16:22:23] mkrufky: jams: the "gotcha" for mymote setup is to remember to commend out the BIND configuration in /etc/mysql/my.conf
[16:22:29] sphery: mkrufky: in case you want way more details than you probably need: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/341100#341100
[16:22:52] sphery: is the mymote hitting the DB directly?
[16:22:54] mkrufky: heh thanks
[16:22:57] mkrufky: ill take a look
[16:23:18] jams: good to know
[16:24:50] jams: iamlindoro- did you notice that 1212 isn't even listed as the product number on the unit.
[16:25:00] mkrufky: because it isnt the product number
[16:25:19] mkrufky: every dept uses some different number for every thing
[16:25:26] mkrufky: 1212 is some "sales" number
[16:25:32] jams: heh
[16:25:33] iamlindoro: jams: Can't say I actively looked, just irritated by users who used that designation
[16:25:37] mkrufky: engineering will look at you cross-eyed if you ask for a 1212
[16:25:53] mkrufky: its a 49xxx
[16:25:58] mkrufky: (i think)
[16:26:21] jams: 49001 is right below HDPVR
[16:26:26] mkrufky: ok so yeah
[16:27:00] jams: ok, so everybody start asking for the 49xxx !
[16:27:33] jams: or stick with HDPVR so everybody knows what your talking about
[16:27:42] mkrufky: its no secret... if you load the tveeprom module it will tell you model number 49001
[16:27:55] mkrufky: (*if* the tveeprom module works on the hdpvr driver — i dunno)
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[16:28:33] jams: conf call time
[16:34:21] sphery: Good year for those of us who like (even bad) science fiction... Looks like ABC has another show coming on (Defying Gravity) that sounds interesting. Plus 2 summer made-for-TV asteroid impact movies, plus Virtuality...
[16:35:30] meshe: bad science fiction?
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[16:42:46] sphery: obviously meshe didn't watch Meteor :)
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[16:44:43] CB6: Do ATI cards work well with MythTV for HD by chance? I have an Asus m3a78-em http://ca.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2& . . . 639&l4=0 . It has HDMI and I want to make it into a home theater setup with blueray. Do you think the Integrated ATI Radeon™ HD 3200 GPU inside it will do HD well enough with Mythtv or is there not strong enough drivers?
[16:45:27] iamlindoro: CB6: With ATI, what card you get (as long as it's supported by the drivers) won't really matter, as all the work is going to be done by the CPU
[16:45:36] iamlindoro: if you want to offload to the GPU, you need to use nVidia
[16:45:47] iamlindoro: and if you are expecting to play blu ray from the disk in linux, give up now
[16:46:03] sphery: and note that ATI/AMD is dropping support for GPU's relatively quickly
[16:46:03] iamlindoro: (or in fact, even to rip most disks in linux)
[16:46:10] sphery: so you may have to go to the FOSS ones
[16:46:20] CB6: I have an AMD 920 X4 processor so it shouldn't be an issue. That GPU supposedly has a Supports HDMI™ Technology with max. resolution up to 1920 x 1200 (1080P)
[16:46:24] sphery: where you'll lack much capability (especially for 780G/HD 3200)
[16:47:07] CB6: iamlindoro so blueray in Linux is not an option at this point?
[16:47:18] wagnerrp: a 920 should be sufficient for bluray content, assuming the h264/vc1 is properly sliced
[16:47:28] wagnerrp: direct bluray playback is not an option
[16:47:45] wagnerrp: some bluray, you can decrypt to disk in linux and play back
[16:47:47] meshe: sphery: never heard of Meteor
[16:47:56] wagnerrp: most bluray you have to decrypt in windows first before playback
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[16:48:16] shadash: frontends are comming! http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?u=htt . . . amp;ie=UTF-8
[16:48:20] wagnerrp: theres a page on the wiki explaining this in further detail
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[16:48:36] wagnerrp: iamlindoro is probably off finding it rather than directly answering your query
[16:49:19] sphery: meshe: It was one of the 2 asteroid impact made-for-TV movies. It was not high quality.
[16:49:30] wagnerrp: shadash: you mean were going to have asian models holding our TVs in our future mythtv builds?
[16:49:30] stuartm: CB6: since I don't see a direct answer to your first question, yes the AMD GPU should work with HDMI + Audio over hdmi (I'd have to double check that last, but the RS690 embedded works just fine)
[16:49:35] iamlindoro: CB6: search "blu-ray" in the wiki
[16:49:36] meshe: ahhh, along the lines of armegeddon?
[16:49:42] shadash: that sounds great
[16:50:06] shadash: Model: VOT 130 / 132 light machine table Province Chipset: Intel 945GSE / NVIDIA ION
[16:50:27] stuartm: shadash: it was the hardware that caught your attention in that article?
[16:50:41] iamlindoro: jokes on you, asian models don't have front ends
[16:50:53] shadash: haha
[16:51:18] shadash: I'm just excited becasue the hardware is FINALLY starting to catch up with linux/myth
[16:51:38] laga: huh
[16:51:47] laga: i'll have what he's smoking
[16:51:54] shadash: well small cool looking hardware
[16:52:14] wagnerrp: $2474... that cant be right
[16:52:17] shadash: which means more devices and lower prices
[16:52:54] shadash: I think they're estimating $400-$500 USD
[16:53:13] shadash: mot much better than an apple
[16:53:22] shadash: but it's something
[16:53:35] stuartm: well I've finally run the wiring from the dish for my dev backend's DVB-S, horrible job which involved crawling on my stomach through fibre glass insulation and drilling up a ladder in torrential rain ... but it's done!
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[16:54:24] tmkt: any benefits to using xbmc as the fe over mythtv fe?
[16:54:37] iamlindoro: It benefits me
[16:54:50] wagnerrp: apparently that thing will 'eat DDR2'
[16:54:50] iamlindoro: as then we get to send you somewhere else for your support, since we don't discuss it here
[16:54:51] stuartm: well almost, have to cut/cap the cable, attach, configure, scan :/
[16:55:00] meshe: stuartm: hopefully that was a cordless drill
[16:55:06] wagnerrp: googre transrate is so much fun
[16:55:17] stuartm: tmkt: I'd not have thought so, but if it works for you
[16:55:43] stuartm: meshe: nah, don't have a cordless hammer drill
[16:55:58] stuartm: brick walls etc
[16:56:03] iamlindoro: XBMC myth frontend-- just like myth frontend, only with 100% less "ability to schedule recordings"
[16:56:25] iamlindoro: or manipulate schedules
[16:56:27] meshe: stuartm: so connected to the mains while outside in torrential rain :) sounds fun
[16:56:28] iamlindoro: or control the backend
[16:56:42] iamlindoro: or change any settings
[16:57:15] stuartm: I like to live dangerously
[16:57:35] meshe: sounds like it :) eh, it's only 220V
[16:57:46] stuartm: 240V :)
[16:57:51] meshe: even better
[16:58:06] stuartm: rain caught me out, didn't start until I was halfway through the job, but the eves kept the water off the drill itself, just not my back
[16:58:20] meshe: ahhh, that's not too bad then
[16:58:52] stuartm: s/eves/eaves/
[16:59:46] iamlindoro: better than heaves I suppose
[17:00:18] meshe: got in my van today to drive to work and decided against it, partway along the oil pressure guage decided to tell me I had a vaccum instead of pressure :)
[17:00:41] kormoc: youch
[17:01:00] meshe: i think the guage is dead or disconnected
[17:01:13] CB6: Thanks for the tips guys really appreciate it
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[17:01:22] meshe: guess i know what i'll be working on this weekend
[17:10:59] Defense|Twin: Hi, is there any special reason why i cant edit the record-times of a movie which ran yesterday? i stumbled over it, because i tried to set the record time to a weekly time and my EPG doesn't have the programm for a whole week
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[17:12:51] iamlindoro: Ow, ow, my head
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[17:14:53] kormoc: just got the wifi detected on my mini, found out that if you have ssb as a loaded module or built into the kernel, the wl driver won't do anything when it loads
[17:18:18] tmkt: guess i'll just wait for 0.22, the xbmc fe is pretty
[17:26:08] stuartm: Defense|Twin: in mythweb you mean?
[17:26:35] Defense|Twin: stuartm: no, in mythfrontend
[17:26:37] stuartm: please be clear since the behaviour of mythweb is different from the frontend
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[17:27:43] Defense|Twin: i think i dont have mythweb installed but also if i would, i only use the frontend since now
[17:27:53] stuartm: Defense|Twin: Menu > Recording Options > Edit Recording Schedule?
[17:28:28] AndyCap: Oh my, running the mantis driver with debug enabled was stupid
[17:28:43] stuartm: guess you might have to be clearer what exactly you are doing and from which screen
[17:28:53] AndyCap: logwatch didn't take kindly to /var/log/messages being 14 gig
[17:31:04] jst_home: heh
[17:32:08] Defense|Twin: stuartm: i use my mythtvfrontend from a client. and i have watched a series yesterday and i would like to record it weekly, but when i try to select the series in the programm from yesterday i get only the message the it has been recorded and i can only select "ok"
[17:33:37] jst_home: is this an appropriate channel to ask for hardware tips for a 1080i capable mythtv frontend?
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[17:33:56] stuartm: in the guide? ok, I see, well I'd call that a bug, file a ticket and hopefully it will get fixed
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[17:34:19] Defense|Twin: stuartm: thx :)
[17:35:07] stuartm: Defense|Twin: but you can edit the schedule from the recording (if you still have it) or from the Previously Recorded screen (warning, slow to navigate if you have recorded a lot of different programmes)
[17:35:09] Defense|Twin: btw. also if i only say something when i have a "problem", i really like mythtv :)
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[17:36:03] stuartm: Defense|Twin: it might be a trunk only feature, but does pressing Menu instead of Select in the guide get you anything different?
[17:36:54] stuartm: oh, press the INFO button (dunno what the default binding is)
[17:37:10] stuartm: jumps straight to the schedule editor
[17:37:19] Defense|Twin: pressing 'M' for menu has the same effect as pressing ESC for me :/
[17:37:40] Defense|Twin: hmm info button... lets see have to take a look at the wiki.. mom
[17:40:15] iamlindoro: "I"
[17:40:26] Defense|Twin: iamlindoro: yes :)
[17:40:42] Defense|Twin: stuartm: and it works with the info key :) great work :D
[17:41:41] stuartm: think I need to get in and redesign the behaviour of SELECT in the guide, not least that awful QT menu that's displayed
[17:42:48] Defense|Twin: ;-)
[17:44:46] stuartm: ouch, signal 20% ... I hope that's a driver error
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[18:04:08] stuart: Evening all, anybody help with a stack trace from seg faulting frontend? http://pastebin.ca/1504591
[18:07:04] sphery: stuart: what were you doing when the segfault happened?
[18:07:17] sphery: initial startup? haven't run it successfully, yet
[18:07:27] sgtpepper: if it is fedora 11, then yum update
[18:07:51] stuart: fresh install, backend setup correctly, remote frontend first srun
[18:08:05] sphery: yeah, that's what it looked like... What distro/packages?
[18:08:35] stuart: LFS :) gcc-4.4, qt-4.5.2
[18:09:01] sphery: It's trying to set up your initial settings and segaulting when saving them
[18:09:37] sphery: this is 0.21-fixes?
[18:09:37] stuart: i can connect manually with the correct settings
[18:09:51] stuart: no its trunk
[18:10:14] sphery: ok, so really is qt 4.5 :)
[18:10:23] sphery: (I didn't notice that above)
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[18:10:50] stuart: yep it really is :) 21003 svn up'd about an hour ago
[18:12:25] stuart: googling leads me to believe it *might* be a qt thing but i dont know how to read backtraces
[18:13:49] sphery: got refs?
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[18:15:48] stuart: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/387205
[18:16:10] sphery: do you have a frontend log?
[18:16:41] sphery: are you actually getting the incorrect arguments to mysql_stmt_execute error?
[18:18:20] stuart: http://pastebin.ca/1504667
[18:18:47] stuart: the arguments look correct and properly formatted to me
[18:19:56] sphery: stuart: you should apply http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5872 to fix your time zone detection issue
[18:20:40] stuart: ah i think that might actually be my fault, i need to put ntp on them both
[18:20:55] sphery: the problem is that Myth never calls mysql_stmt_execute--that's the MySQL C API. We use the Qt MySQL drivers, which use the MySQL C API.
[18:21:39] sphery: stuart: ah, yeah, it's the same zone, but different times... I didn't read closely enough (just assumed time would be the same)
[18:22:02] stuart: so its possible its a qt-mysql driver issue? i can downgrade qt to 4.4
[18:22:30] sphery: if your MBE and remote clients happen to pick up a different file for time zone, you can actually get cases where it sometimes runs and sometimes exits without the patch I linked
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[18:22:50] sphery: well, Qt 4.5.0 works for me...
[18:23:06] stuart: 4.5.0 or 4.5.2?
[18:23:07] sphery: did you (do very bad things like) specify any optimizations when compiling Qt and/or MySQL?
[18:23:17] sphery: I'm using 4.5.0
[18:23:25] sphery: (didn't have any pressing reason to upgrade)
[18:23:32] stuart: no optimisations at all this time
[18:23:45] stuart: ok im gonna try 4.5.0
[18:23:49] sphery: and didn't have any CFLAGS or anything in the environment?
[18:24:09] sphery: stuart: if you can figure out exactly what's causing this, it would be /very/ useful information. Lots of people are getting this
[18:24:19] sphery: Give me a second and I'll delete my DB and start up a fresh one
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[18:24:22] stuart: nope none, a few packages are picky about opts
[18:24:33] sphery: did you get the same on the local system or is it just the remote...
[18:24:43] coldpenguin: When doing a DVB-S scan, if I select, full scan tuned, it fails (incorrect parameters, probably because two of the fields are empty). As I have deleted all video sources and cards, (because the EIT isn't working) is my next best bet to use scan of existing transports (but there aren't any are there???)
[18:24:52] sphery: (just realizing that I don't have a remote system on my dev box, so that may be why 4.5.0 hasn't shown problems for me)
[18:25:01] stuart: just the remote, to me it points to a qt-mysql networking issue
[18:25:15] sphery: and running the frontend on the master backend works?
[18:25:24] stuart: yep
[18:25:30] sphery: ah, then I can't test for you.
[18:25:36] stuart: same versions of everything
[18:26:01] meshe: mysql error? do you have a paste url?
[18:26:29] sphery: yeah, from my research (I'm the same sphery that commented on that ticket :), it seems to be a problem with the packaging/installation or compilation
[18:26:37] sphery: meshe: http://pastebin.ca/1504667
[18:26:46] sphery: this is a low-level MySQL C API problem
[18:26:49] sphery: (i.e. below Myth)
[18:26:57] sphery: and /well/ below MySQL
[18:26:59] stuart: http://pastebin.ca/1504591 is the backtrace and http://pastebin.ca/1504667is the myth log
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[18:27:45] sphery: stuart: if you do try other Qt versions and you find that some work and some don't, please let us know (or just mention it here with my nick in the line)...
[18:27:46] john: mythtv set to never record this show how do i remove?
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[18:28:05] stuart: trying now, back soon
[18:28:25] sphery: As a lot of people are getting this on various different distros (even your self-compiled one), it's starting to look like a problem with Qt and/or MySQL source packages in some versions
[18:28:30] sphery: thanks
[18:29:03] sphery: stuart: anyway, I'm pretty sure you won't get the segfault once you fix the MySQL...
[18:29:11] stuart: mysql ver is 6.0.9-alpha
[18:29:20] sphery: really...
[18:29:26] stuart: ok ok i like bleeding edge :)
[18:29:29] sphery: wonder if all the others are using 6
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[18:29:59] stuart: mysql client and server are running the same vers
[18:30:12] coldpenguin: Where did you get your mysql from sphery? I am running F11, still version 5.1.35!
[18:30:15] sphery: Hmmm... Ticket was 5.0.83.
[18:30:16] iamlindoro: I'm not sure *anyone* has tested 6.0
[18:30:27] iamlindoro: (w/ Myth)
[18:30:35] stuart: downgrading mysql would be problematic
[18:30:50] meshe: QMYSQL3 does that mean it's against mysql 3.x?
[18:30:59] iamlindoro: What relies on having a 6.0-alpha version of mysql??
[18:31:20] sphery: coldpenguin: I'm running MySQL 5.0.26
[18:31:26] stuart: the MBE is running other stuff
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[18:31:31] sphery: stuart has 6a
[18:31:51] coldpenguin: Ah, sorry, misread.
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[18:32:08] coldpenguin: But is anything actually using the 6 api though?
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[18:32:13] sphery: meshe: The 3 is Qt3, but it's now legacy (i.e. QMYSQL3 is now just an alias for QMYSQL in Qt 4)
[18:32:16] meshe: downgrading isn't a big deal *mysqldump*
[18:32:34] sphery: downgrading is a /huge/ deal if you built the entire distribution from source code manually
[18:32:39] sphery: and have no package management
[18:32:57] coldpenguin: Where did you install to? /usr/local?
[18:33:00] kormoc: well... I'd say that's your own fault then
[18:33:02] meshe: hehe, yeah, but that's just silly :)
[18:33:09] stuart: i have my own system and use /opt for all apps
[18:33:14] sphery: (though he may be using the /opt/packagename "separate directory" package management technique, all his other system libs are compiled against the MySQL 6 headers/libs)
[18:33:26] coldpenguin: If so, install encap (epkg), and then recompile to use /usr/local/encap/mysql-6.0a
[18:33:38] sphery: meshe: thus my earlier statement that LFS is the worst choice of distro for Myth :)
[18:33:40] coldpenguin: then, you can use encap to replace the links in /usr/local
[18:33:51] stuart: play nice, LFS is good :)
[18:34:06] coldpenguin: then, when you have recompiled the version 5 (or whatever), you install to /usr/local/encap/mysql-5
[18:34:19] coldpenguin: then encap can swap between the packages almost instantly
[18:34:22] stuart: ok im gonna downgrade the RFE mysql to 5.1
[18:34:40] stuart: then downgrade qt
[18:35:08] sphery: At least LFS teaches users that if something is broken, it's usually their fault. A certain other compile-it-myself distro tends to make users think they're infallible wizards of GNU/Linux who could never be at blame for their own configuration/compilation/optimization/... errors.
[18:35:35] sphery: Not that I have strong feelings about any distros, mind you.  :)
[18:35:48] coldpenguin: Should you scan from 'Input connections' or from 'Channel Editor' for best results?
[18:36:12] stuart: ive learnt loads about systems, optimising, cpu perf, compiling, troubleshooting etc from lfs
[18:36:22] sphery: stuart: chances are downgrading Qt would be easier
[18:37:00] stuart: in for a penny, in for a pound :) the only package using mysql is qt and the only thing using qt is myth
[18:37:11] stuart: its a dedicated fe
[18:37:37] sphery: stuart: or at least compiling Qt with debug symbols
[18:37:48] sphery: (or at minimum the Qt MySQL driver with debug)
[18:37:58] sphery: though I don't know that we'll actually get to see what it's doing in the bt
[18:38:07] stuart: will the symbols appear in the FE backtrace?
[18:38:12] stuart: ah
[18:38:13] sphery: maybe we could catch it with a breakpoint
[18:38:22] meshe: if it's something with QTMYSQL contacting remote mysql servers that should be easy to create a test case
[18:38:39] sphery: (as it seems the segfault is occuring after, but due to issues caused by the bad mysql_statement_execute call)
[18:39:32] sphery: stuart: if you can get a good bt of the root of the problem (the mysql_statement_execute call, included), it's likely we could work out who's to blame/what's causing the issue
[18:39:58] stuart: ok im compiling mysql-5.1.36 now
[18:40:17] sphery: the mysql_statement_execute is actually being called from Qt, though
[18:40:46] stuart: through the mysql api
[18:41:02] sphery: could probably even just recompile the driver (though I'm not sure how much of Qt it will have to compile as a prereq if you've deleted the Qt source dir you originally used to compile)
[18:41:11] sphery: right
[18:41:19] sphery: but Qt's driver is the one calling it
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[18:41:40] sphery: I wish there were a sort-by-date on Google.
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[18:42:28] stuart: there is, hold on
[18:43:02] stuart: top right, Web -> Show Options
[18:43:09] stuart: top left sorry
[18:44:19] Guest18267: set to never record any show how do i remove that?
[18:44:25] sphery: stuart: Qt 4.5 /did/ make a big change to the way they execute statements, though. Previously, they only executed them as PreparedStatements if the developer wrote the code that way. Now, Qt 4.5 actually attempts to execute /every/ statement as a PreparedStatement and, if it can't (MySQL only supports executing some SQL statements as PreparedStatements), it executes as a regular statement.
[18:44:50] sphery: and generally, that error is related to using a preparedstatement/avoided by not using preparedstatements
[18:45:06] stuart: Hmmm, how come its working for you then?
[18:46:13] sphery: Guest18267: Go to Previously Recorded in mythfrontend (under Manage Recordings) and find the episode (use 1 and 2 to change from sort by time to sort by title) and then hit SELECT or MENU or INFO (don't remember which) to get a menu that allows you to forget old/delete this episode from history/something like that
[18:46:31] sphery: stuart: Because I've only tested new DB creation on a single combined frontend/backend :)
[18:46:44] sphery: or because I happen to have a happy combination of MySQL and Qt versions
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[18:47:04] sphery: I'll tell you more once we figure out what's actually causing it.
[18:47:15] stuart: ah yeah, mines remote
[18:47:34] sphery: thanks for the web options
[18:47:34] stuart: hell i love compiling, this'll be fun lol
[18:47:37] Guest18267: i did that thru mythweb and when i select the program to record it's still showing up as never record
[18:48:05] sphery: makes finding new stuff much easier (though--other than the MythTV ticket, there's not much new since I last searched for it)
[18:48:24] sphery: Guest18267: there's no support for Previously Recorded in MythWeb
[18:48:42] sphery: Never Record is duplicate checking stuff
[18:49:06] sphery: Oh, there is Forget Old...
[18:49:41] sphery: but it's likely to fail because of differences between what you used to set never record and what you use to forget
[18:49:45] Guest18267: i tried clicking forget old but it never does
[18:49:53] sphery: try it through mythfrontend
[18:49:57] meshe: If you receive an error "Incorrect arguments to mysql_stmt_execute" then this is a bug in MySQL and you need to update your JDBC URL to append "?useServerPrepStmts=false".
[18:50:08] Guest18267: k
[18:50:12] juski: wish I had stats on my personal webspace, just to see if my hack has had any views :-\
[18:50:27] meshe: juski: install google analytics
[18:50:29] kormoc: I viewed it!
[18:50:36] kormoc: meshe, doesn't help with non-html documents
[18:51:15] sphery: meshe: yeah, ?useServerPrepStmts=false just tells the (Java JDBC) driver not to attempt to always use preparedstatements
[18:51:15] iamlindoro: juski: I read it FWIW
[18:51:16] juski: heh
[18:51:23] meshe: it does if you have to click a link to get to it
[18:51:23] sphery: it doesn't fix the bug, but it works around it (prevents the condition that causes the issue)
[18:51:26] sphery: which hack?
[18:51:33] kormoc: meshe, yeah, but he direct linked it
[18:51:33] juski: figured the usual suspects would've had a look
[18:51:49] kormoc: Good movie
[18:51:49] meshe: no web logs?
[18:51:51] juski: CBA putting html on my ISP webspace
[18:52:04] juski: meshe: would I have said that if I had logs? meh
[18:52:17] stuart: Errrm myth doesnt use JDBC does it?
[18:52:32] sphery: no
[18:52:37] tmkt: Mepo is a nice theme
[18:52:53] ** iamlindoro twitches **
[18:53:08] ** kormoc gives iamlindoro another dose of meds **
[18:53:26] ** iamlindoro rocks slowly to sleep **
[18:53:43] sphery: can anyone get to http://bugs.mysql.com/
[18:53:53] tmkt: i think he just needs a nice juicy in-n-out burger
[18:53:57] juski: oh crap. I should never have watched 'mythtv' searches on twitter. replied to somebody asking what analogue tuner card to use. OOPS
[18:54:17] kormoc: sphery, they've been up and down more then a vista machine doing system updates...
[18:54:20] meshe: juski: sorry, just seems odd not at least having access logs
[18:54:31] juski: meshe: welcome to ISP provided service :)
[18:54:32] sphery: kormoc: nice description :)
[18:54:35] iamlindoro: sphery: mysql.com itself has seemed inaccessible for a few days
[18:54:52] meshe: yes, it's been quite annoying
[18:54:56] meshe: try changing .com to .be
[18:55:01] juski: meshe: it's just some junk space to put some junk stuff
[18:55:02] sphery: kormoc: maybe they're switching all their Sun servers to HP or moving their database to Oracle
[18:55:08] kormoc: ha
[18:55:27] meshe: http://bugs.mysql.be/ is up
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[18:56:47] sphery: seems there are no bugs in Belgium
[18:56:57] sphery: The requested URL /bug.php was not found on this server.
[18:57:11] sphery: (very different from FL--we have /tons/ of bugs)
[18:58:02] ** sphery tries google cache **
[18:59:09] Guest18267: there is nothing listed under previously recorded shows
[19:00:25] sphery: Guest18267: then you're likely misinterpreting the Never Record link on the page, which is saying, "/If/ you click this it will be set to Never Record in your recording history," not, "This episode--despite the green border around it--will Never Record."
[19:00:44] juski: another thing I never got round to patching
[19:01:32] sphery: Heh, searched for the bug's URI on google, and the first hit was my comment on the Myth ticket. Guess I've already read that one.
[19:02:48] stuart: if mysql5 doenst work i can always drop to version3 :)
[19:05:42] sphery: I'm putting my money on the issue being with the Qt-MySQL driver
[19:05:59] sphery: (especially since they just made some major changes to it that try to do things that the developer didn't ask it to do)
[19:07:18] kormoc: Dumb code is better code!
[19:07:34] stuart: yep my money is there too, mysql5.1 is complied. now onto qt 4.4.3
[19:07:37] Guest18267: that's the odd thing i can't record anything from tv. I set it up to record but it never records and it never shows up in the recording schedule
[19:07:41] sphery: kormoc: completely agreed!
[19:08:06] sphery: Guest18267: that's likely due to a broken input connections configuration
[19:08:11] sphery: can you watch LiveTV
[19:08:43] kormoc: sphery, speaking of which, http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001289.html
[19:09:06] Guest18267: ok how do i fix that?
[19:09:16] sphery: Guest18267: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034
[19:10:16] sphery: if you can watch LiveTV but can't record--and your database is working/no-crashed-tables and your recording rules actually match episodes and don't specify inactive or too small max episodes or ...--that's almost definitely the problem
[19:10:57] Guest18267: i can watch live tv just fine
[19:11:51] sphery: kormoc: I so agree with that.
[19:12:09] juski: kormoc: heh. That puts me in my place, what with my enthusiasm & all ;-)
[19:12:36] kormoc: Heh
[19:12:49] kormoc: juski, enjoy the it while you're not completely jaded! ;)
[19:13:52] ** juski deletes the 'mythtv -recorded' search panel in tweetdeck **
[19:14:24] juski: I don't want to see people proudly proclaiming they're dumping 'it' for THAT app
[19:14:41] krisb: damn, line-in is broken in alsa on my laptop
[19:15:19] sphery: sure it's not just misconfigured
[19:15:44] sphery: i.e. something like autosense was enabled and someone plugged in speakers, so it's in output mode instead of input
[19:15:47] krisb: yeah there is a bugtraq item for it, and I tried all the model options, can't get any capture interfaces
[19:16:11] krisb: hm, does windows save that state in eeprom or something?
[19:16:27] sphery: no idea, only one of my systems has that virus
[19:16:37] sphery: (fortunately it's not a worm, so it's not spreading)
[19:17:04] ** dustybin tinkers with multi-dimensional arrays **
[19:17:16] juski: can alsa do the autodetect thing? :-O
[19:17:19] sphery: Oh, and I don't use the sound card on that system when I boot to GNU/Linux, so I've never looked at its state
[19:17:22] kormoc: becareful, they collapse into void holes
[19:17:29] krisb: well I can't be bothered to look into it anymore, I'll just hook the SPL meter to a different computer and calibrate from there
[19:17:42] sphery: juski: yeah, worked great on my last laptop (haven't configured it on my current one--since I can't do video on my current laptop)
[19:17:54] kormoc: dustybin, so how's the 'epic' theme going?
[19:18:12] sphery: I'm sure it's dependent on driver and hardware, though
[19:18:13] juski: would love a hack to be able to get extra audio outputs from my lappy
[19:18:45] ** kormoc wonders about wpa2 and linux, if it's something he should keep poking at or downgrade to wpa **
[19:19:34] juski: never gonna knowingly buy anything with realtek 'HD audio' again
[19:21:02] iamlindoro: But it's-a gotta AYTCH DEE!
[19:21:20] juski: myers
[19:21:38] juski: chipset is capable of analog 5.1 output, right.. but not on this hardware
[19:22:02] GreyFoxx:
[19:22:05] GreyFoxx: oops
[19:22:08] GreyFoxx: :)
[19:22:10] krisb: yeah gotta love false marketing
[19:22:10] juski: prolly a registry hack needed to wake it up in windoors
[19:22:36] juski: nevermind, my USB 5.1 effort will be here soon
[19:22:56] krisb: now I gotta spend more money on better receiver, even though mine "supports HDMI"
[19:23:00] sphery: GreyFoxx: going boating?
[19:23:10] juski: need MOARLINEOUTZ. Tried ASIO with the onboard, and even with that I get 250ms latency
[19:23:17] krisb: haha, I guess someone had to look up the coordinates
[19:23:21] stuart: man qt takes aaaaaaaaages to compile! someone should invent a system to distribute binaries :0
[19:23:29] GreyFoxx: sphery: No astronomy stuff. Seeing what suppose to be viewable from myt location tonight
[19:23:35] sphery: ahhh
[19:23:41] sphery: cool. got a scope?
[19:23:49] GreyFoxx: Yeah a couple
[19:23:58] GreyFoxx: building a motorized mount right now :)
[19:24:00] meshe: stuart: o.O
[19:24:08] stuart: Get writing the MythAstronomy plugin GreyFoxx :0
[19:24:15] iamlindoro: in Python!
[19:24:18] GreyFoxx: I have one motor, I need to pick up 2 more and an arduino
[19:24:32] Guest18267: how do i reconfigure my input connections config?
[19:24:41] GreyFoxx: then tie it into stellarium or something for object tracking :)
[19:24:46] krisb: stuart: hah, I read that as MythLocation and tried looking up
[19:24:47] sphery: GreyFoxx: look out for a brown dwarf fragment colliding with the moon or an asteroid being sent this way by a collision with a comment--I saw both on TV within 2 weeks of each other, so I'm sure something's about to happen
[19:24:50] krisb: it up*
[19:24:56] stuart: :)
[19:24:58] sphery: s/comment/comet/
[19:24:59] GreyFoxx: hehe
[19:25:01] sphery: too much coding
[19:25:18] GreyFoxx: looks like it's gonna be cloudy tonight anyway so I wont see much
[19:25:31] stuart: You doing it all in linux Grey?
[19:25:38] sphery: I've been telling myself I'm going to build a 10" reflector for years, now, but I still haven't.
[19:25:45] GreyFoxx: Spent a lot of time checking out Jupiter and it's moons 2 nights ago. I got a new telrad finder that made finding them a 10 second job :)
[19:25:48] juski: grey? linux is supposed to be *brown*
[19:25:51] GreyFoxx: stuart: certainly :)
[19:26:00] iamlindoro: That's what Mark Shuttleworth thinks, anyway
[19:26:03] stuart: what apps do you use?
[19:26:08] sphery: What can Brown do for you?
[19:26:20] juski: sphery: he can do over your country. do you want him?
[19:26:25] sphery: (for those who have actually seen those UPS comercials)
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[19:26:37] sphery: heh
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[19:26:47] GreyFoxx: stuart: I use Stellarium for mapping and finding stuff. with a ton of star catalogues loaded
[19:26:54] juski: guess those ads wouldn't go down too well in the UK :P
[19:27:11] GreyFoxx: and custom firmware on my canon camera with some custom scripts running on the camera for doing long exposure DSO shots
[19:27:36] GreyFoxx: I scavanged a stepper motor for the new mount from an old scanner
[19:27:38] sphery: I got a star catalogue once, but I couldn't afford any of them, so I called to cancel the catalogue.
[19:27:48] stuart: now you got my attention, what canon cam?
[19:28:30] stuart: cos where im headed its clear blue cold skies at night :)
[19:28:41] sphery: GreyFoxx: I hope you're posting info on how you built your DIY motor... I was planning on building a scope but figured I'd have to buy the motorized mount.
[19:28:43] GreyFoxx: A640. Not the best but I had it laying around. then I loaded the chkdk firmware which lets me run custom scripts which are a form of BASIC
[19:28:55] GreyFoxx: I set values on the camera and hit go and it executes my script :)
[19:29:30] GreyFoxx: sphery: I'm playing with making my own mount because I don't wanna buy a mount. Eventually I will but for now it's a DIY venture :)
[19:29:32] stuart: Hmm wonder if that would work on my ixus
[19:30:06] GreyFoxx: Once the mount is done, and I have the arduino controlling it I'll tie it to stellarium for tracking, and eventually an app running on my N810
[19:30:30] juski: no chance of that round here, much as I'd love it
[19:31:23] stuart: ok more questions, where do you get the firmware and how do you go about controlling it?
[19:31:50] GreyFoxx: I'm VERY tempted to make some mods to stellarium so that even if it doesn't directly control the scope that I can "probe" stellarium to get locations of objects
[19:32:16] GreyFoxx: so I can have "bookmarks" in my N810, and it can poll stellarium for where they should be and then tell the scope
[19:32:18] iamlindoro: You keep your "probing" to yourself, mister
[19:32:30] GreyFoxx: and since my n810 has a netconnection via bluetooth to my cell I could do it from out in the woods :)
[19:32:56] GreyFoxx: stuart: Check out http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/CHDK
[19:33:06] GreyFoxx: It's incredible what they have added to the camera
[19:33:21] GreyFoxx: and the fact I can write my own scripts rocks :)
[19:35:15] GreyFoxx: sphery: one day in the future I think it would be neat to build a 12–14" scope. But that's way out :)
[19:35:26] GreyFoxx: There is a lot of time put into grinding your own mirrors
[19:35:32] GreyFoxx: IF you wanna feel that paid :)
[19:35:46] GreyFoxx: though I'd likely get lazy and buy the mirrors
[19:35:53] stuart: Very interesting! ive got an ixus 500 and an ixus 80, looks like the 80 is supported
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[19:39:11] sphery: GreyFoxx: yeah, I was planning on buying the mirrors/lenses, but building the body
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[19:39:37] GreyFoxx: that would be fun :)
[19:39:51] sphery: 10" is good because you can use a nice heavy tube for pouring concrete as the body (though I may actually build a wooden body)
[19:40:11] juski: grinding your own mirrors? Jees! That's some commitment
[19:40:30] stuart: i was thinking insanity :)
[19:40:36] GreyFoxx: heh
[19:41:21] sphery: Yeah. I had considered doing that for a small scope (as I'm sure the quality of one I grind would be lower than one I purchase) back when my time was less valuable to me.
[19:41:31] sphery: But planned to buy for the good/big scope.
[19:41:45] stuart: So let me get this right, i put the CHDk firmware on my cam, hook it upto stellarium and it turns into a static hubble :)
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[19:41:58] GreyFoxx: hahaha not quite
[19:42:03] stuart: bugga
[19:42:13] GreyFoxx: I'll be controlling the scope with nothing to do with the cameria
[19:42:32] GreyFoxx: the camera will be mounted and using chdk to run my script to take the very long exposures and such
[19:42:44] stuart: doh, of course
[19:42:49] sphery: but if he hooks it to a telescope with an improperly ground mirror, /then/ it's a static hubble, right?
[19:42:53] GreyFoxx: I'll be triggering the camera via remote usb MOST of the time
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[19:59:21] iamlindoro: Wheeee, totally OT questions on the users list
[19:59:22] sphery: well, it /is/ KnoppMyth, but it's definitely not very Myth related: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-July/260389.html
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[19:59:33] sphery: did I type that fast or what?
[19:59:49] iamlindoro: Here, I was first ;)
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[20:00:24] sphery: Yeah, but my statement--which follows by less than a second--sounds like a response to your comment
[20:00:31] iamlindoro: heh
[20:00:35] iamlindoro: Or vice versa
[20:00:45] J-e-f-f-A: hehe
[20:00:51] iamlindoro: dialogue palindromes!
[20:01:41] J-e-f-f-A: iamlindoro: that deserves a 'letmegooglethatforyou.com' link... ;-)
[20:02:15] sphery: J-e-f-f-A: have you seen letmegogglethatforyou.com ?
[20:02:36] J-e-f-f-A: sphery: not lately... has it changed in the last month or two?
[20:02:47] sphery: no, mine's a different site
[20:02:53] sphery: goggle
[20:03:12] J-e-f-f-A: hehe... oops ;-)
[20:03:21] sphery: http://letmegogglethatforyou.com?i=goggle&c=google
[20:03:54] iamlindoro: http://letmegogglethatforyou.com?i=shepry&c=sphery
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[20:04:25] sphery: heh, now the world will konw the meaning of my nick...
[20:04:37] J-e-f-f-A: hehehe... should I reply with http://lmgtfy.com/?q=xterm+prompt+configuration  ???
[20:04:38] iamlindoro: http://letmegogglethatforyou.com?i=konw&c=know
[20:04:44] coldpenguin: stuart, you just put a patch in, 21006, will that affect dvb-t as well as dvb-s?
[20:04:56] sphery: ahhhh.... what have I strated?
[20:05:08] iamlindoro: coldpenguin: That stuart is not here currently
[20:05:13] coldpenguin: darn
[20:05:16] coldpenguin: too busy coding!
[20:05:27] iamlindoro: too busy for the users channel anyway
[20:05:33] coldpenguin: My problems have gotten worse...
[20:05:44] coldpenguin: yesterday couldn't EIT scan for DVB-S
[20:06:02] sphery: sounds like a great test would be to svn up to r21006 and then try again? I promise that his change won't /hurt/ anything. :)
[20:06:14] sphery: (even if it doesn't apply to DVB-T)
[20:06:29] coldpenguin: So, I did a delete all capture cards, then tried to re-add the DVB-T cards, as they have always been the best behaved
[20:07:04] sphery: coldpenguin: though I think it will actually affect DVB-T
[20:07:08] coldpenguin: now I can't watch TV on those cards, EIT scan fails, and the first channel scan fails to insert any channels (finds 96, then when you select insert all, none arrive)
[20:07:31] coldpenguin: My MBE is currently compiling 21006, just to see
[20:07:56] sphery: if you get, "Trying to bind a value to placeholder :NETWORKID without occurrence in the prepared query. Ignoring it." it /will/ affect you
[20:08:18] coldpenguin: Otherwise, the last known revision where I know channel inserts worked, is 20796
[20:09:06] coldpenguin: Nope, I wasn't getting that, AFAIK (assume it would at worst be printed out to the console)
[20:09:26] sphery: well, those bugs were in since 20800, so...
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[20:09:39] sphery: You'd get those errors during the scan
[20:10:04] coldpenguin: darn
[20:10:39] coldpenguin: So what is the correct way to scan for channels on DVB-T
[20:11:08] coldpenguin: If I do it under Input connections, that does not store the channel information (this is the first screen, where you need to select a channel for your start position)
[20:11:35] sphery: it's in input connections--the big Scan for channels button
[20:12:35] coldpenguin: So I click that, perform a full scan, (which works for my DVB-T, fails immediately for DVB-S), and it finds 96 new non conflicting channels, and 1 new non-conflicting scte channel
[20:12:45] coldpenguin: I select 'Insert All' for both
[20:12:57] coldpenguin: And there are no channels, when I select the starting channel
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[20:13:10] coldpenguin: Or if I exit out and go to channel editor
[20:13:13] sphery: may be related to the DVB-S problems?
[20:13:59] coldpenguin: This is the MBE, the SBE is currently turned off, so the system has no record of the DVB-S card existing at the moment (video sources and card inputs 'ALL' deleted as someone here suggested yesterday)
[20:14:13] coldpenguin: I used mythweb, all channels gone
[20:15:16] coldpenguin: So I think the DVB-S is just another problem at the moment
[20:17:31] krisb: not looking forward to upgrading to DVB sometime in the future
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[20:20:21] coldpenguin: I am wondering whether there is some incorrect dependence on diseq. The last time I configured it, I was asleep, and selected a diseq entry for the DVB-T card, this time, I have not even entered the diseq area
[20:20:58] coldpenguin: When I quit mythtv-setup just now, there were many errors about the DEisecDevTree, not existing for the devices
[20:23:58] kormoc: Woo!
[20:24:07] kormoc: Kings Quest and Space Quest just was added to Steam!
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[20:25:17] Shadow__X: hello everyone so i finally got 2 working boxes except when i try and daisy chain them firewire tester doesnt work
[20:26:25] jams: kormoc- would you like to borrow the games. I have them on 5 1/4 inch floppy
[20:26:49] kormoc: jams, Nah, I just bought them, supporting the classics I never paid for back in the day feels good :)
[20:26:56] jams: heh
[20:27:09] jams: be sure to pick up codename iceman if it ever comes out
[20:27:28] kormoc: yeah? Never played that one
[20:27:31] jams: it's probably better on steam. Don't need to worry about the "key disk" and other crap like it
[20:27:59] jams: yes if you like KQ and SQ codename iceman should be on your list
[20:28:09] kormoc: rgr
[20:28:32] jams: you even learn how to plot a course for a submarine
[20:29:34] kormoc: Yeah
[20:29:46] jams: hehe requires tandy 8mhz or faster
[20:29:47] kormoc: Old sub sims taught me that one :)
[20:30:56] jams: it's done by the same guy who did police quest. It's much better than any game in that series though.
[20:32:26] ** kormoc nods **
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[20:39:27] Shadow__X: anyone know to get firewire enabled on a dct 6412
[20:39:35] Shadow__X: one of the ones i have is enable the other isnt
[20:39:40] kormoc: I bet someone at Motorolla would
[20:39:58] Shadow__X: it has to be a menu thing right
[20:40:07] Shadow__X: thanks kormoc since i know alot of people at motorolla
[20:40:19] Shadow__X: but i will look at the manual for it
[20:40:23] Shadow__X: if thats what you where hinting at
[20:40:30] kormoc: It's likely a firmware change
[20:40:37] kormoc: it's unlikely that it's a menu options
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[20:40:55] Shadow__X: hmm but i have 2 of those boxes one enabled the other disabled
[20:40:56] kormoc: you will likely need to call the cable co, complain and have them swap the box
[20:41:00] meshe: Sweet, my phone just arrived
[20:41:09] kormoc: meshe, yay! No ups crap eh?
[20:41:11] Shadow__X: man this is the 3rd time i had the box swapped
[20:41:40] meshe: yeah, no problems with UPS
[20:42:30] kormoc: heh, lucky
[20:44:10] meshe: how did you manage to get yours worked out?
[20:44:37] kormoc: So I went to pick it up, waited in line, found out that they redelivered it, without a signature...
[20:44:47] meshe: geeze
[20:44:51] kormoc: So I raced back to work and found it sitting on the front doorstep
[20:44:53] ** kormoc sighs **
[20:45:01] meshe: what a joke
[20:45:20] sid3windr: old sub sims?
[20:45:28] sid3windr: you mean, like, das boot? :>
[20:45:28] kormoc: I'm downtown Seattle, there was dozens if not hundreds of people walking by, so lucky noone took it....
[20:45:34] meshe: last i heard they wouldn't let you pick it up or attemp redelivery
[20:45:54] meshe: did apple change their minds?
[20:46:15] kormoc: Yeah, that's what they (ups) told me, but then when I got to the ups depo to work it out, found out they didn't follow though
[20:47:04] kormoc: sid3windr, 688 Attack Sub, 688i hunter/killer, aces of the deep, Silent Hunter, Silent Steel
[20:47:17] meshe: ahhh
[20:47:51] meshe: glad you got it and it didn't go back to china
[20:48:02] kormoc: Yeah, I would have been fuming
[20:48:58] meshe: is there an apple store in Seattle?
[20:49:30] kormoc: there is, but I wanted 4 gigs of ram, they only stock the basic models, so they'd just order it for me if I went that way
[20:49:54] meshe: ouch, you paid for an apple memory upgrade?
[20:50:09] laga: you must be insanely rich
[20:50:12] laga: or just insane
[20:50:13] laga: ;)
[20:50:19] kormoc: The mini's are sealed... it's a scary process otherwise, and voids the warranty
[20:50:21] kormoc: heh
[20:50:31] meshe: ahhh
[20:50:31] kormoc: it was only $150 for the 4 gig upgrade, not /horrible/
[20:50:42] meshe: not as easy as the macbooks then
[20:50:52] kormoc: http://www.methodshop.com/gadgets/tutorials/m . . . /index.shtml
[20:51:23] kormoc: when the requirements involve putty knives to do a ram upgrade...
[20:51:46] laga: in germany, there are shops that will do it for less – authorized apple dealers AFAIR
[20:51:50] laga: we do not have many apple stores
[20:52:04] meshe: good choice
[20:52:33] meshe: i would do the same after reading that
[20:52:48] kormoc: Yeah, I called around to a few, they all said they won't do it unless I signed a waver re any damages
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[20:53:23] laga: then it was a sane decision
[20:54:20] meshe: Step 2: buy apple care
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[20:55:05] jams: kormoc- it's not that bad..but can be a bit frustrating when you trying to not scratch the plastic
[20:55:18] jams: no worse then some automobile panels
[20:55:27] kormoc: Fair 'nuff
[20:55:38] jams: course if you don't have the putty knives forget it
[20:55:40] kormoc: hehe
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[21:04:48] coldpenguin1: Hmm, looks like the changes to 'unencrypted channels only' have gone the other way now
[21:05:08] coldpenguin1: initially when I scanned, with this ticked, it picked up all channels no matter what
[21:05:52] coldpenguin1: this time, (as it was on by default, and I forgot to remove it), it found all the channels, but didn't insert them I think. It now appears to be doing EIT at least with DVB-T
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[21:17:40] sphery: coldpenguin: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20750
[21:18:57] sphery: ah, but you said yours is a dvb device...
[21:19:09] sphery: nm... that's almost always due to misconfiguration
[21:19:29] sphery: i.e. you created a diseqc tree for the card, even though it's not dvb-s
[21:20:04] sphery: (which may be due to the trunk setup not being fully debugged, yet, but somehow your config is likely broken)
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[21:21:11] coldpenguin: I didn't do anything different AFAI can remember, I deleted all cards, and went through the same procedure as before, but, noticed the checkbox
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[21:21:32] coldpenguin: This is with 21006, (which is probably of no consequence)
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[21:22:06] coldpenguin: but, has a database change (again), so I am now recompiling the DVB-S SBE, and will test with this one soon, I hope
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[21:24:46] coldpenguin: If I do a full scan for DVB-S, what should be entered into the frequency field? If it is a full scan, surely there should be one entry, but for Astra, there are several frequencies
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[21:27:42] sphery: I know nothing about DVB-S, except that there's a great wiki page about it: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S
[21:28:22] sid3windr: dvb-ass
[21:28:59] JackTheBiscuit: Is there a way of selecting PAL 576i using the intel driver and xrandr
[21:29:19] JackTheBiscuit: That question took me 24hrs lol
[21:29:51] kormoc: JackTheBiscuit, so you already know the answer?
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[21:30:48] coldpenguin: Ah ok, so full scan is kinda mis-named
[21:31:26] JackTheBiscuit: I only figured out the difference between 576i and 480i today
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[21:32:22] coldpenguin: It can only do a scan of a single frequency, but by performing a single frequency scan, it can download the other frequencies it needs to scan, so you can later go to scan existing transports, and scan all the frequencies automatically
[21:32:22] JackTheBiscuit: and xrandr is a nightmare. I played with 3 GUI's all of which were pretty poor and the output was still 480i. I'm beginning to think my add2 card is doing some bad magic inbetween
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[21:33:48] kormoc: so... why use a gui at all? xrandr is just a cli command...
[21:36:21] Shadow__X1: hbo is encrypted nooooo
[21:37:33] sphery: Shadow__X1: you mean from your firewire output?
[21:37:45] Shadow__X1: yup
[21:38:08] iamlindoro: duh
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[21:38:19] Shadow__X1: if memory serves me correct someone told me about someone here who complained to their service provider and got things opened up
[21:38:22] sphery: sounds like situation cable, all crypt up
[21:38:33] Shadow__X1: iamlindoro, its encrypted for you too
[21:38:37] kormoc: Shadow__X1, that'd be SlicerDicer
[21:39:05] SlicerDicer: kormoc: I never got HBO unencrypted
[21:39:08] Shadow__X1: slicerdicer>?
[21:39:10] Shadow__X1: oh
[21:39:13] SlicerDicer: but I did manage to get all the others unencrypted
[21:39:17] SlicerDicer: HBO was a bastard always
[21:39:22] kormoc: ahh, ick
[21:39:22] Shadow__X1: ah ok
[21:39:34] Shadow__X1: so which premiums did you get unecnrypted
[21:40:20] SlicerDicer: showtime, starz discovery all that crap
[21:40:30] Shadow__X1: ah ok everything but hbo
[21:40:44] SlicerDicer: I complained though as locals were locked
[21:40:49] SlicerDicer: that is violation bigtime
[21:41:08] Shadow__X1: right
[21:42:10] Shadow__X1: how did you get them to unencrypt the other channes
[21:43:45] SlicerDicer: they did it by default.. ;-) no matter they did it
[21:44:37] Shadow__X1: so starz discovery and all that was unencrypted but locals where encrypted>?
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[21:48:05] SlicerDicer: Shadow__X1: everything was encrypted
[21:48:15] SlicerDicer: anyway I got to down my network for a min I will be back
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[22:04:14] Shadow__X1: how do you put a recording schedule on "hold" i thought i saw the option before in mythweb but since then havnt found it
[22:04:35] coldpenguin: There is an enabled option
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[22:05:19] Shadow__X1: where
[22:06:00] coldpenguin: You have to select Recording Shedules, then the recording schedule you want, and then under advanced options, there is a checkbox (inactive)
[22:06:26] coldpenguin: on mine anyway. However, if you select upcomming recordings, and select your recording that way, the checkbox does not exist
[22:06:31] Shadow__X1: ah
[22:06:33] Shadow__X1: i fail
[22:06:36] Shadow__X1: thanks coldpenguin
[22:06:37] Shadow__X1: :(
[22:07:29] coldpenguin: TBH, I knew it was there, and went to the wrong place first!
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[22:12:08] coldpenguin: aach, it is getting late. Need to go to bed. And things are getting worse.
[22:12:19] coldpenguin: Now the SBE doesn't appear in mythweb at all
[22:12:34] coldpenguin: It is trying to scan 1 multiplex, and still getting nowt
[22:12:48] coldpenguin: I should not have played
[22:12:52] coldpenguin: Good night all
[22:16:39] kormoc: The only winning move is to not play
[22:16:54] iamlindoro: How about global thermonuclear war?
[22:18:24] kormoc: Yes, and I'm going to bomb Moscow first
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[22:22:05] stuart: sphery: you about?
[22:23:50] stuart: sphery: downgrade to mysql-5.1.36 and qt-4.4.3 didnt work. same segfault
[22:24:46] kormoc: ugh, next week looks to be mid 90's...
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[22:47:45] stuart: sphery: mythtv-setup runs ok so its not a qt networking issue
[22:48:48] stuart: sphery: so i thing the mysql-qt is a red herring. the problem lies elsewhere
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[23:18:51] sphery: stuart: back now
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[23:19:27] sphery: stuart: thanks for the update
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[23:27:22] gbee: hmm, Nova-S for £25 or Nova-HD-S2 for £50 ...
[23:28:05] gbee: shame that guy is no longer off-loading a bunch of Nova-S on ebay for £10 each
[23:28:13] gbee is now known as stuartm
[23:28:22] ** kormoc blinks **
[23:29:24] stuartm: kormoc: need a new DVB-S card, since the one in my dev backend is a pile of crap which can't receive BBC HD (only channel on satellite that really interests me)
[23:29:33] ** sphery thinks gbee/stuartm is having an identity crisis **
[23:29:57] kormoc: I just realized that they're the same person, I've always thought they were two different folks actuall
[23:30:00] kormoc: *actually
[23:30:34] sphery: perhaps gbee is stuartm's secret identity... When he takes off his glasses, he becomes Super Developer!
[23:30:44] ** stuartm thinks kormoc is pulling his leg ;) **
[23:31:32] kormoc: Heh, I wish
[23:31:37] stuartm: tired of hiding behind old nicknames
[23:31:43] kormoc: although, it could be the fog of cold meds I'm on again
[23:31:57] sphery: iamlindoro: are you using passthrough for the 8-channel audio? TTBOMK (and I'm 99.9999% sure--yeah, six 9's), Myth's multi-channel decoding code (ca #1104) does not support > 6-channel audio.
[23:32:16] sphery: Might work with passthrough, but I'm pretty sure it won't work if we decode.
[23:33:11] Dagmar: Found something new to tease the "Can I run MythTV on my toaster?" crowd with
[23:33:13] Dagmar: http://dkc1.digikey.com/us/mkt/beagleboard.html
[23:33:21] Dagmar: 600Mhz ARM. Lol
[23:33:38] sphery: yeah, actually, janneg (and several beagleboard devs) have been working on it lately
[23:33:52] sphery: there's a decoder on it that's pretty useful
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[23:34:23] ** stuartm wonders who kormoc thought I was **
[23:34:52] Dagmar: Ah that would explain it then
[23:35:00] kormoc: stuartm, I have no idea, but as far as my clouded mind right now knows, gbee was one dev and stuartm was another...
[23:35:01] sphery: I thought he meant that, although he knew who gbee was (real name and all), he figured the nick stuartm was some random guy named Stuart with last name starting with M
[23:35:04] stuartm: if it weren't for the video decoder it wouldn't be much use
[23:35:22] sphery: Yeah, and I think it's still not much use when video > 720p
[23:35:28] sphery: but don't know for sure
[23:35:37] stuartm is now known as gbee
[23:35:41] kormoc: 720p is still nice enough
[23:35:49] gbee: maybe it's better not to confuse kormoc
[23:35:59] ** kormoc waits for gbee to start arguing with stuartm **
[23:36:13] sphery: yeah, but if you're at the mercy of the broadcaster in which format they send, one that only decodes 720p isn't that useful
[23:36:32] ** kormoc ponders calling out sick tomorrow **
[23:37:05] sphery: Dagmar: there's a lot more info on the board at http://beagleboard.org/
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[23:37:40] kormoc: gbee, living in the fog of confusion is something I'm used to by now :)
[23:37:55] gbee: kormoc: for all I know I'm the victim of split personality disorder and I've been committing as two different people, could explain a lot of things like why I'm constantly tired lately
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[23:38:37] sphery: ooh.. You were living 2 separate lives at the same time? Does that mean you've halved your lifespan?
[23:38:52] Dagmar: When one of his wives finds out about the others, probably so.
[23:39:28] kormoc: I wonder if there's been a movie where two split personality folks marry each other as both personalities...
[23:40:06] sphery: wow, you /are/ on a lot of meds
[23:41:23] kormoc: Yeah...
[23:41:41] kormoc: Recommended dosages smosages!
[23:41:50] sphery: Now I want a beableboard.... But not for myth.
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[23:43:12] sgtpepper: ok sphery I'm here, but bare in mind that I'm using 0.22
[23:43:22] sphery: right
[23:43:32] sphery: the problem with playback now is that your audio is misconfigured
[23:43:40] sphery: what do you have specified for audio output device?
[23:44:30] sphery: (or, from another perspective, you could just not worry about fixing the audio if you change the recording profile so that it's using 48kHz audio--something you should do, anyway, whether you fix the audio output or not)
[23:45:10] sphery: make sure you change all 4 recording profiles, too
[23:45:14] sgtpepper: ok.. will do...
[23:46:11] sgtpepper: I have an alsa audio output from the tv card (btw, I get no sound, I was not focusing on that)
[23:46:35] sphery: yeah, you have to have audio output properly configured or myth can't play back, though
[23:46:42] sphery: audio input not so important
[23:47:15] sgtpepper: audio output is fine, I do watch videos and listen to music
[23:47:22] sphery: no it's not fine
[23:47:47] sphery: it only works for audio that's encoded at a rate that your sound card can use (48kHz)
[23:48:02] sphery: if set up properly, it will work even for the 32kHz audio that you've told it to record at
[23:48:19] sgtpepper: ok... all four profiles have 48k audio
[23:48:21] sphery: but by changing the recording profile to use 48kHz, you can ignore the misconfig
[23:48:24] sphery: cool,
[23:48:36] sphery: Should give different results, now, when you try livetv
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[23:48:59] sgtpepper: restarting the backend and trying again
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[23:51:01] sgtpepper: sphery: same error regarding audio, and same symptom
[23:51:02] sgtpepper: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1505020
[23:51:10] sgtpepper: but now it says that it could not set 48k
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[23:54:22] sgtpepper: remember I'm using 0.22, revision 20931
[23:55:09] sphery: sgtpepper: OK, that means that your audio output device is just broken
[23:55:22] sphery: what's set for Audio output device in main General settings
[23:55:44] ** sphery thinks it's set to /dev/null **
[23:56:10] sgtpepper: ALSA:Default
[23:56:23] sphery: It needs to be ALSA:default
[23:56:26] sphery: it's case sensitive
[23:56:33] sphery: and Mixer Device needs to be the same
[23:56:45] sgtpepper: it is
[23:56:56] sphery: 2009-07–23 20:49:33.389 NVR(/dev/video0) Error: AudioInit(): /dev/null : error setting audio input device to 48000kHz/16bits/2channel
[23:57:05] sphery: seems to indicate it's not ALSA:default
[23:57:14] sphery: are you sure you're looking at the right one
[23:57:18] sphery: not the passthrough output device
[23:57:20] sgtpepper: wait... that's in the main screen of mythtv-setup
[23:57:27] sphery: and not the devices in recording profiles
[23:57:45] sphery: the one you need to fix is in mythfrontend settings
[23:57:57] sphery: in the main settings menu under General settings
[23:58:12] sgtpepper: hold on a sec... I'm pasting it in imagebin.ca.... it is the same as you say
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[23:58:48] sgtpepper: sphery: http://imagebin.ca/view/vO0bLto.html
[23:59:08] sphery: and this is on the frontend you're using for LiveTV?
[23:59:32] sphery: sgtpepper: did you type it in or did you select it with left/right arrows? If typed it won't work
[23:59:44] sgtpepper: I did not modify it
[23:59:48] sgtpepper: its the default settings

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