Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Thursday, July 16th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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cornell:

I don't know if I want to spring for a new mobo and graphics card.

[00:00:40]

Dagmar:

Then don't.

[00:00:50]

Dagmar:

Look for a motherboard with the graphics chipset you need built into it

[00:01:23]

cornell:

Well, iamlindoro, it was fine til my recent software upgrade (actual re-install) and now playback of analog files from the PVR350 stutters. I was working on what to do to get rid of that, when the suggestion of a new card came up.

[00:01:43]

Dagmar:

It has a VIA C3 CPU in it?

[00:03:04]

Dagmar:

Heck if playback from a 350 stutters, it probably is one of those gussied-up 586's

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cornell:

I don't know about VIA C3 CPU... The cpu is AMD Athlon(tm) XP 3500+

[00:03:42]

Dagmar:

So it's a 939-pin CPU then?

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cornell:

2 G memory, 2.2 ghz, VGA is TVIA technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro

[00:04:25]

cornell:

I'm afraid I'd have no idea of the number of pins.

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Dagmar:

Oh you probably just need to beat the unichrome driver into behaving

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awalls:

What is the linux driver ofor the device sharing the IRQ with the PVR-350?

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cornell:

awalls: I almost understand that question...

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cornell:

I would I find the answer to that?

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awalls:

cat /proc/interrutps

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awalls:

with correct spelling...

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Dagmar:

Marginally simpler question: How many PCI slots does the board have and how many PCI cards are installed in it

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cornell:

3, 1

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Dagmar:

An AGP video card shouldn't be necessary to get SD playback going properly

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cornell:

It hasn't in the past, but I know I've had to tweak it.

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Dagmar:

OKay so if there's just one PCI card in it the odds are that there's IRQ-sharing issues is very losw

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Dagmar:

Beat on the unichrome driver

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Dagmar:

...or rather, install it. It probably didn't get installed when you reinstalled

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Dagmar:

I'm assuming you're using the S3 card for output

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Dagmar:

er VGA

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cornell:

I've put the interrupts output here: http://cornell.pastebin.com/m1e68f98d

[00:08:13]

cornell:

Yes

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cornell:

I watch on the monitor, VGA

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Dagmar:

Okay so you're probably missing the unichrome driver for the video chipset, or it's broken

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awalls:

can't be an interrupt sharing problem.

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cornell:

Ok... Do you know by chance what that driver might be? Or appropriate terms for a google search?

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Dagmar:

S3 unichrome driver xorg

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Dagmar:

maybe throw "howto" in there for giggles

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Dagmar:

Possibly "Linux" as well

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Dagmar:

It's not exactly rare so you should find more than a few docs

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awalls:

Your eth0 device is very busy. Almost 3 x as many eth0 interrupts than local timer interrupts ?!

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awalls:

may local timer interrupt count rolled over ...

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cornell:

Well, I'm watching an episode, though the file is local

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cornell:

I also tossed in "archlinux"

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Dagmar:

Good plan

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Dagmar:

You should probably start by looking at the xorg.conf file and seeing which driver X is using at the moment

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cornell:

Found this page: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Beginners_Guide

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cornell:

with this entry: xf86-video-s3 — S3 video driver

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cornell:

oooh, better: xf86-video-unichrome — VIA S3 Unichrome video drivers

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Dagmar:

You might wanna use xf86-video-openchrome

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Dagmar:

Yeah that one

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Dagmar:

That's probably the whole of your problem right there

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Dagmar:

The S3 and S3 ViRGE drivers (afaik) are for some crap from the early 90's

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Dagmar:

Emphasis on "crap"

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cornell:

mmm

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cornell:

$ lspci | grep VGA

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cornell:

01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. K8M800/K8N800/K8N800A [S3 UniChrome Pro] (rev 01)

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Dagmar:

Okay so you know for sure it has a unichrome chipset video then

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Dagmar:

So slap that openchrome driver until it squeals

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Dagmar:

That text you see there describing the PCI device has *nothing* to do with whatever driver might be using it currently

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cornell:

Ok, so that's talking about hardware... so I want to pacman -Sy xf86-video-unichrome

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Dagmar:

It only describes the card and nothing else

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Dagmar:

Yeah, it's juts hardware info

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awalls:

$ /sbin/lspci -vvv should show the driver attached to it

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Dagmar:

Nope

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cornell:

No such file or directory

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Dagmar:

cornell: it's an admin utility so it'll be in /sbin, which isn't generally in user account PATH

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Dagmar:

So... /sbin/lspci -vvv

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Dagmar:

...but it doesn't say anything about drivers either.

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awalls:

Hmm. on F10 the last lines for each device emits "kernel driver in use:" "Kernel modules:"

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Dagmar:

They must have done something to patch that in

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Dagmar:

It's not the normal behaviour

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cornell:

Anyway, well lspci -vvv worked (as root) and I don't see anything about drivers

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cornell:

Now, pacman'ed the driver, just reboot?

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Dagmar:

I just dumped the same on three machines here. None of them said anything about the driver--just much more verbose and a bunch of hardware level information no one generally cares about

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Dagmar:

cornell: look in xorg.conf to see what driver X is set to use

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awalls:

Then $ cat /proc/iomem and match up the driver names with the memory addresses in lspci

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Dagmar:

hint: `find /etc -name xorg.conf`

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cornell:

I hope this isn't a flood:

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cornell:

Section "Device"

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cornell:

Identifier "Device0"

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cornell:

Driver "vesa"

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cornell:

VendorName "Generic Corporation"

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cornell:

Option "DPI" "100 x 100"

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Dagmar:

*bzzt*

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cornell:

Is that what I'm looking for?

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Dagmar:

That's another problem

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Dagmar:

Yep.

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Dagmar:

Driver should not say "vesa"

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cornell:

And that's not good

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cornell:

Right

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Dagmar:

I can never remember if it's Xorg -setup or xorg-cfg that runs the auto-configurator

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cornell:

So, I'm going to have to... ah

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Dagmar:

You could proably just change that to "openchome" but I'm guessing

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cornell:

Not unichrome?

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Dagmar:

If unichrome _works_ but I'm fairly sure the name of the driver module is openchrome

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Dagmar:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome seems to think so as well

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cornell:

If I run the right one, does it take care things automagically, or simply, like, pick openchrome from list?

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cornell:

And I'd have to run it from the machine, not an ssh

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cornell:

?

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Dagmar:

The tool I generally use now is the almost entirely automatic one that pops up a graphical screen (after awhile) and shows you an ugly diagram representing the screen, mouse, and keyboard

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Dagmar:

It *generally* detects correctly nowadays

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cornell:

So, run one, if that doesn't work, run the other

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Dagmar:

...but the name of the xorg driver you probably want to be using is "openchrome" so if you just changed "vesa" to "openchrome" X should guess it's way through any missing bits

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Dagmar:

X is a HELL of a lot smarter now than it was in the 90's

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Dagmar:

When it got forked to Xorg, the new guys did away with a lot of bullshit

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Dagmar:

...and I do mean bullshit.

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Dagmar:

On modern hardware it's absolutely trivial to detect what video card is present

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cornell:

Ok... so, from my ssh console, edit xorg.conf, change vesa to openchrome, save, restart X

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Dagmar:

...yet the XFree86 guys were perfectly fine with not bothering to have X ever even try to look for it

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cornell:

restart X on the actual machine

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Dagmar:

cornell: Basically yeah

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Dagmar:

There's kernelspace driver stuff involved in that which *might* mean you'll have to reboot the machine, but see if it works without that

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cornell:

mmm first line in xorg.conf is: # nvidia-xconfig: X configuration file generated by nvidia-xconfig

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Dagmar:

hah

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cornell:

That seems bizarre

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Dagmar:

And you with no nvidia card

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cornell:

Yeah

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cornell:

Too much like work to back all the out and close X, just rebooted.

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Dagmar:

hehe

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** cornell spent way too much time on winblows boxen **

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Dagmar:

Pragmatists do well at this

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Dagmar:

The time it would take is about the same

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cornell:

Reminds me of a guitar playing friend... who asserted that guitar players were the laziest musicians... seeking to change chords with least finger movement.

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cornell:

mmm, reboot is hanging up...

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cornell:

Fetchin time; acpid: starting up... ntpate... adjust time server 38.117.195.101 offfset .003166 sec

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Shadow_M:

freaking comcast

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cornell:

ssh is up, so I can remote in, but it looks like it's hung up.

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cornell:

mmm

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cornell:

Changed xorg.conf back to VESA, rebooted, got to the same point... and X started.

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cornell:

So, something is wrong with how I did xorg.conf

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Dagmar:

The unichrome driver is hanging

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Dagmar:

Gotta look into what needs to make the kernel part go

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cornell:

(20:26:14) Dagmar: The tool I generally use now ... What tool is that?

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cornell:

Wow... did xorgcfg

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cornell:

Really weird screen popped up.

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Dagmar:

If it came up with a usable display and mentions unichrome, go with what it picked

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cornell:

Well, it came up with a picture of a display, card, computer, keyboard and mouse. Clicking on the card, it seems I can list the drivers fro Device0, But S3 Unichrome isn't there. A whole bunch of other S3's are.

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Dagmar:

Drat

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Dagmar:

So the kernelspace stuff isn't working

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cornell:

There's ** S3 (not ViRGE or Savage) (generic), and then S3 Savage, and S3 ViRGE. Further down there's S3's (without the **) a whole buunch

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cornell:

Perhaps the generic S3 would be an improvement?

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Dagmar:

Maybe

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cornell:

It doesn't help that the mouse cursor disappears :-(

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cornell:

Well, it changed the vesa to s3 in xorg.conf

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cornell:

I'm rebooting

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cornell:

here's the log: http://cornell.pastebin.com/m270f39d7

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cornell:

These identifiers from the lspci, K8M800/K8N800/K8N800A, might they correspond to items in the list from xorgcfg?

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cornell:

oops, sorry, forgot to mention... it didn't work, X failed to start

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cornell:

brb

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cornell:

back

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wagnerrp:

just what are you doing with an S3 card?

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iamlindoro:

suffering

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tanderson:

heh

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wagnerrp:

nothing manufactured in this millennium?

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Dagmar:

It's at least a Unichrome Pro chipset

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cornell:

It's embedded on the mobo

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wagnerrp:

so Via stuff

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cornell:

whoa, on that website I cited earlier, just found: xf86-video-openchrome — VIA/S3G UniChrome, UniChrome Pro and Chrome9 video drive

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cornell:

pacman says it conflicts with the one I'd done previously, I let it remove it.

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cornell:

Now.... edit xorg.conf to openchrome and try again, right?

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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cornell:

oops

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cornell:

Well... looks like X started, but I've got just a blue screen

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cornell:

And I can't ssh in

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Dagmar:

http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php . . . up_id=102048

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Dagmar:

It mentions two kernel modules.

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Dagmar:

Make sure they are present.

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cornell:

LibGL.so.1.2 and unichrome_dri.so ?

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Dagmar:

You need X to do DRI, which requires a small section in xorg.conf that it *usually* generates with that graphical configurator...

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Dagmar:

No.

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cornell:

Oh

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Dagmar:

Kit of Parts section a

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Dagmar:

via.ko and drm.ko

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cornell:

Anyway, I rebooted with got into grub, and did a not full ... start... got a console, changed xorg.conf to vesa and rebooted.

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Dagmar:

lsmod should show you whether or not they're loaded.

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cornell:

At least I've got X back

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cornell:

lsmod |grep via shows nothing

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cornell:

Same with drm

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Dagmar:

Then you need to find them

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cornell:

As in ... get them loaded

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Dagmar:

Yes.

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Dagmar:

Either go to the location mentioned in section a or check to see if archlinux has them as a package already

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cornell:

K, I'm kinda running out of time for this evening... I'll read that page and see what I can figure out.

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cornell:

nm, hadn't ssh'd

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cornell:

Bunch of stuff for via, nothing for drm

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cornell:

http://cornell.pastebin.com/m7805bc84

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cornell:

Could it be the via82xx I'm looking for?

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cornell:

Anyway, never mind, gotta go for this evening, I'll continue again tomorrow

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cornell:

Thanks ever so much, Dagmar, everybody

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superdug:

I'm trying to remember who advised me to get a bigger drive than to transcode

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superdug:

whoever you were, I see what you mean and you were right

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superdug:

transcoding is totally not neccessary

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wagnerrp:

not sure who it was, but thats the general consensus of people who have been around mythtv a while

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Dagmar:

Yep

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wagnerrp:

hard drives have gotten cheap much faster than computing power

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wagnerrp:

to the point where its only slightly more economical to spend the electricity transcoding something, than just more hard drive to store it

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wagnerrp:

and thats not including the time investment needed to do so

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Dagmar:

They'll continue at that rate for at least another year as well

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superdug:

yeah, I grabbed a 1TB drive for $60

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wagnerrp:

when did seagate start offering 2TB drives?

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superdug:

wagnerrp: after their 1.0 and 1.5 drives started committing suicide?

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wagnerrp:

i had thought WD was the only brand in town for that size

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wagnerrp:

either way, isnt it about time for them to bump up to 3TB?

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superdug:

WD is not a harddrive manufacturer ... they are a company that sells drive bay occupiers that sometime store stuff

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wagnerrp:

eh?

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iamlindoro:

you misspelled "seagate"

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superdug:

I'm not the happiest of customers when it comes to WD

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iamlindoro:

abqjp, HD-PVR is home, it's definitely just a brand new unit

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clever:

damnit

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clever:

more sql locking errors

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clever:

who wants to take a look?

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: You picked up a 2nd one? ;-)

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, no, sent mine for repairs/RMA, they just sent back a new unit

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J-e-f-f-A:

Doh!

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iamlindoro:

Why D'oh?

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iamlindoro:

Works for me, the unit has all the hardware improvements of the last year

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ah, ok. So it's a newer unit too, updated hardware.

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iamlindoro:

improved cooling, new firmware, stabilized backplane for the inputs

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iamlindoro:

yes, newer hardware, new plastics

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iamlindoro:

heatsink and fan on the encoder

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iamlindoro:

bling lights (not that I like those or will ever see them)

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iamlindoro:

A quick test indicates it works, yay that

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J-e-f-f-A:

Ok, so they cleaned it up a bit overall.

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Dagmar:

I like how the functionality test was last

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iamlindoro:

Why wouldn't it be?

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iamlindoro:

I have to handle and install it before I can test functionality

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jblack:

Interseting trivia. According to google, the last US slave died in 1979.

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J-e-f-f-A:

jblack: That can't be true... I'm still alive, and still married... :-(

[03:00:04]

jblack:

Yeah, whoops.

[03:00:22]

jblack:

the last involuntary slave....

[03:01:47]

jblack:

supposedly he lived 137 years. Wikipedia says the oldest person ever was 110. So...

[03:02:12]

jblack:

The internet is always right, so I'm trying to reconcile those two facts.

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iamlindoro:

Last slaves were freed in 1865

[03:07:47]

iamlindoro:

so in theory, to die in 1979, he'd have to be at least 114

[03:09:27]

jblack:

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=291903

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jblack:

1865 isn't actually very clear.

[03:10:01]

iamlindoro:

Hmm? 13th amendment ratified in 1865

[03:10:10]

iamlindoro:

Which freed the last of the slaves

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jblack:

There's indications that non-legalized slavery continued until the start of the 20th.

[03:10:53]

iamlindoro:

In that case, the last slaves are still alive

[03:11:02]

iamlindoro:

as there's illegal slavery going on in this country now

[03:11:09]

iamlindoro:

but makng that part of the equation is cheating

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jblack:

hrmmm. You have a good point.

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jblack:

hell. I've met some

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iamlindoro:

Holy Crap

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iamlindoro:

Secret of Monkey Island Special Edition is .21GB

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iamlindoro:

er 2.1

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, My HD-PVR is back, same experience as you, it's clearly just a brand new unit

[03:32:27]

iamlindoro:

Except of course this one doesn't mind recording longer than 40 minutes at a time :)

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: cool!

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, Can't get over all the problems a select few manage to have with them

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iamlindoro:

jpabq, can only conclude that it's user error combined with buggy boxes

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jpabq:

I *believe* most peoples problems have to do with channel changes. While testing the threaded channel change patch, I tried removing the sleep from the bottom of my channel change script, and I started seeing a lot of "hdpvr no signal" type error message in /var/log/messages. I think what is happening is, my Directv receiver has been told to change to a channel, and it has acknowledged that it has changed to that channel, but i

[03:37:11]

jpabq:

It was during that period when I was able to get the HD-PVR in a bad state. I am thinking that telling it to "start encoding" when there is no signal works most of the time, but sometimes causes it to freak out.

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iamlindoro:

hmm

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jpabq:

Pure speculation

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jpabq:

.... and it still could be an issue with either the hardware or the driver.

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iamlindoro:

yeah... just happy that I use firewire and have no issues with my STB

[03:40:08]

iamlindoro:

firewire for channel changes, that is

[03:41:03]

iamlindoro:

If there was a lossless option that I was satisfied with in Linux, I'd likely ditch firewire record entirely, if only for the reliability of the HD-PVR

[03:41:25]

jpabq:

I am glad I can use USB to change channels. IR blaster is too unreliable/slow

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iamlindoro:

as of now, though, it's my fallback capture device for HBO/Starz and the couple problematic channels on FW

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jpabq:

You will make a lot of people happy when you submit the lossless transcode patch for H.264!

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iamlindoro:

heh, sshhhh

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jblack:

doesn't h264 have evil patents and stuff?

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wagnerrp:

jblack: doesnt seem to bother x264 much

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iamlindoro:

jblack, it's as patent encumbered as any other format, but what does that have to do with the HD-PVR?

[03:44:03]

iamlindoro:

(which has legally purchased encoding hardware)

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jblack:

I'm sensitive about an earlier conversation involving the diference between theft and infringement. Figured potential patent infringement in myth may become an issue, which the team works hard to avoid

[03:49:41]

jblack:

I'm sure I'm not seeing things right, and never mind. :)

[03:50:08]

iamlindoro:

the HD-PVR uses hardware which is purchased from a company licensing those patents

[03:50:26]

iamlindoro:

everything in the device is perfectly legit

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kormoc:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC . . . are_licenses

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iamlindoro:

If the question is more about Myth's ability to play back the content, then that's a seperate issue

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, no luck yet getting SOMI working in WINE

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ozatomic:

Hey i've just install a Winfast 3200H card so that i can use the RCA's provided to record paytv, except i can only get it to pickup the DVB tuner and not the mpeg2 chip or analog device

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iamlindoro:

probably because only the anlog side is supported

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iamlindoro:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Leadtek . . . _PxDVR3200_H

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ozatomic:

so if the analog side is supported woulnd't i then be able to use the RCA's

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iamlindoro:

er only the DVB side

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iamlindoro:

"It is not supported under Linux. However, experimental support for the DVB-T side is available"

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iamlindoro:

(which is no longer experimental, actually)

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ozatomic:

hmm i wonder if i modprobe CX23417 it might start working :S

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iamlindoro:

not unless your card is explicitly supported

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ozatomic:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

(which it appears not to be)

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ozatomic:

this sucks

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ozatomic:

it was the only mpeg2 HW that they had

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iamlindoro:

You could ebay a PVR-150

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ozatomic:

we have one PVR-150

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ozatomic:

but can't ebay as its for buisness

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ozatomic:

needs to come from a shop

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ozatomic:

but we need 2 – 3 of them

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ozatomic:

so thats why we bought these ones :S

[04:14:18]

ozatomic:

boss not gonan be happy now

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iamlindoro:

So buy an HVR-1300

[04:14:33]

iamlindoro:

Sam capabilities, card actually works

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iamlindoro:

boss should only be unhappy that nobody did their homework first

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ozatomic:

shop only has HVR2200

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ozatomic:

no 1300

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iamlindoro:

then you'll need to get it online

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ozatomic:

shit

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iamlindoro:

need to watch that stuff in here

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ozatomic:

soz

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iamlindoro:

guess you could offer to pay a few grand to someone at linuxtv to write analog support

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ozatomic:

lol

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iamlindoro:

wasn't joking

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ozatomic:

or soeone out of good will could do it :P

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ozatomic:

someone*

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iamlindoro:

sure, if you wait a year or two it'll likely have support

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iamlindoro:

But if work needs nownownow, your options are get hardware that works now, or pay someone to write support

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iamlindoro:

otherwise, someone has some apologizing to do for not having looked into it first ;)

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** kormoc yawns **

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ozatomic:

lol

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ozatomic:

we both looked at them so its as much his fault :P

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ozatomic:

his fine about it

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ozatomic:

his going to try and take them back

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iamlindoro:

What kind of business is it that needs all the tuner cards, out of curiosity?

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kormoc:

White Box PVR reseller!

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

that, or small hotel, etc. was my assumption

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iamlindoro:

ugh, backend has gotten *super* crashy in the past few days, it's definitely caused by something in the frontend though

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ozatomic:

lol

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ozatomic:

we not reselling its all good :P

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ozatomic:

its for monitoring of news and current affairs

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iamlindoro:

nothing wrong with reselling myth

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iamlindoro:

well, legally speaking, anyway

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iamlindoro:

it'd be a horrendous idea, but perfectly legal

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vintonc:

I'm sorry if this was already answered but does anyone know why the gui offset in mythtv doesn't work on f10?

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ozatomic:

hmm

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ozatomic:

now i gotta see if Winfast 1800h works for analog and digital

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ozatomic:

but nothing about it int he linuxtv wiki

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iamlindoro:

That should tell you something ;)

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ozatomic:

:P

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iamlindoro:

(though in actuality, the DVB side *is* supported)

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ozatomic:

82 81 -> Leadtek WinFast DTV1800 Hybrid [107d:6654]

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kormoc:

Dual cards are fairly worthless on the analog side anway

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ozatomic:

but its got it listed on the cx88 drive page

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ozatomic:

or is that only digital

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iamlindoro:

If the analog is supported (and it might be), it still appears to be just a framegrabber analogwise

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ozatomic:

damn

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ozatomic:

that wont work then

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iamlindoro:

If you want supported analog encoding, you pretty much *must* buy a supported Hauppauge card

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ozatomic:

kk

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iamlindoro:

or one of the knockoffs of the old hauppauge cards second-hand

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ozatomic:

np

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iamlindoro:

PS, analog on the HVR-220 is not supported

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ozatomic:

thanks for your help i'll proberbly be back here

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ozatomic:

lol so 150 or 1300 ?

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iamlindoro:

150, 500, 1300, etc.

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iamlindoro:

Though you should still do your own due diligence :)

[05:03:38]

iamlindoro:

As I might be reading you numbers from my bank statement

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ozatomic:

lol

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ozatomic:

thanks for your help iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

np

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psm321:

hauppauge knockoffs?

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** kormoc raises an eyebor **

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iamlindoro:

yes, avermedia made several, among other companies who did

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kormoc:

knockoff?

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kormoc:

was fully licensed iirc

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, It was, but that's not exactly what I meant

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iamlindoro:

meaning cheap, less reliable version of, rather than illicitly copied

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psm321:

it's possible to be less reliable?

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iamlindoro:

Given the fact that a PVR-150 is rock solid unless you really screw something up, yes, I'd say that leaves a lot of room to be unreliable

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iamlindoro:

If you can't make a PVR-150 work reliably, seek medical attention

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psm321:

i guess i haven't used a 150

[05:22:43]

psm321:

but my 500's are definitely not reliable

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iamlindoro:

500 are the same story

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iamlindoro:

tough to screw up a PVR-500, nice job

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psm321:

shrug

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wagnerrp:

i had a bit of trouble with the aged drives <0.4, but the last couple years with my 150s have been absolutely painless

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wagnerrp:

drivers

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psm321:

my 350 is reliable

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psm321:

and when i had a single 500 it was... i guess i could be overloading some bus or something

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psm321:

though that wouldnt explain why it only occasionally fails

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psm321:

when i pretty much have them constantly loaded

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wagnerrp:

youre not going to be pulling more than a couple MB/s off a 150/500

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wagnerrp:

and the drivers should take care of adjusting the PCI latency automatically

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psm321:

well then mine are unreliable :)

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kormoc:

my m179 was great

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psm321:

let's see... occasional click/pops in the sound with no corresponding video artifacts (i guess this could be something other than the hw)... occasionally when it opens the card the volume is too high/distorted (going to another card and coming back fixes it), don't see how that could be something other than hw

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psm321:

but those are the minor problems

[05:28:26]

psm321:

the major one is every say 10–15 days (sometimes less, sometimes more), one of the tuners either loses sound completely, stops recording completely (no data from the tuner device), or gets really garbled video

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psm321:

once that starts its permanent across recordings until reboot (sometimes removing and reloading drivers fixes it but not always)

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psm321:

still, it's the best solution for my needs for now... so i deal with it :)

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iamlindoro:

HD-PVRs for all!

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iamlindoro:

HD-PVRs for none!

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iamlindoro:

HD-PVRs for some, miniature american flags for others!

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** kormoc thinks iamlindoro's got monkeys on the brain **

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iamlindoro:

won't run in WINE, sigh

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wagnerrp:

!trout iamlindoro windows

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** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a windows trout on behalf of wagnerrp... **

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iamlindoro:

now you're just talking crazy

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wagnerrp:

you even have a windows VM all ready to go

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kormoc:

Didja try Cedega?

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wagnerrp:

how much power does that game actually need?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's a few gigs of artwork/audio...

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wagnerrp:

i think ive actually got a key for Cedega floating around somewhere

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wagnerrp:

they did some promo a while back where they were handing out free licenses

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kormoc:

There's no keys really

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kormoc:

that was crossover

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juski:

ffs never twigged this before, but for multichannel audio output from ableton I just need a cheapo 7.1 USB device. If I want better connectors just hack it up & put it in a box. £cheaper

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juski:

if it's noisy, improve the PSU decoupling & use better output opamps

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juski:

saves spending £150 :)

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Beowulf:

Can someone tell me what is the status of MythVideo metdata feature? Seems to have broke recently

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juski:

if it broke recently,then surely its status could be said as being broken :P

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juski:

but it depends what you meant by 'metdata'

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juski:

morning gbee

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juski:

another smokin' deal on dealextreme.com.. about a tenner for 7.1 USB soundcard,delivered. So it'll take a week to arrive but I'm in no rush :)

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sid3windr:

only a week? you think very highly of dx

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juski:

took a few days last time

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sid3windr:

it depends

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sid3windr:

i've gotten 2–28 days latency ;)

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juski:

when I'm saving money sometimes I can wait a little ;)

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leOn:

hello

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leOn:

would this be the right channel to ask about minimyth?

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juski:

you could try

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juski:

I've used minimyth in the past

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leOn:

strangest thing .. i've set my backend as tftp boot server, configured minimyth.conf .. the thing boots off but then it says it can't connect to the master database

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juski:

not strange at all

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leOn:

the connect credentials are right and i see nothing wrong with the permissions on the database

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leOn:

you have any idea?

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juski:

can you log into the db from another machine?

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leOn:

sure

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juski:

I mean use a mysql client & see the mythconverg database

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juski:

and are you sure you mean 'master database?' ?

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juski:

is your mythbackend daemon running bound to 127.0.0.1 or the LAN IP of the machine?

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leOn:

Jul 15 15:43:12 (none) local0.err minimyth: cannot connect to the MythTV master backend database.

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leOn:

but you might be right ... i might have the mythbackend bond on the loopback device only

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leOn:

the message should just say "cannot connect to the MythTV master backend" and leave the database alone

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leOn:

=)

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leOn:

but actually that's not the case .. mythbackend is bound to *

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leOn:

also i can connect from a regular mythtvfrontend on my laptop

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leOn:

hmm...

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leOn:

i love typos

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** leOn < dumbfuck **

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juski:

hmm all the electronics bar pots & switches I need to build my own whizzy MIDI controller for less than $70

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Dibblah:

juski: DIY or kit?

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juski:

Dibblah: kit :)

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Dibblah:

Heh. Wuss ;)

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juski:

PCBs, components & PIC etc

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juski:

life is too short to have to learn PIC programmering

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juski:

and yeah I could knock up my own with shift registers & analogue multiplexes but raaahly..;-)

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juski:

made a PCB at home once before. never again. EVER

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Dibblah:

Heh. It's a learning experience.

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juski:

besides it'd turn a £200 pet project into £1000

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juski:

oo 32 analogue channels & 32 digital channels. neat

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gbee:

fecking Easyspace overcharged me for a domain renewal and failed to notify me of the charge/renewal in advance or even inform me that a payment had been taken, I had to find it on my card statement

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sid3windr:

report fraudulent activity to visa, get your cash back, move away your domain, done/done

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gbee:

been with them for years and have several domains registered, so I'm going down the support route first

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psm321:

if you do go the dispute route, i'd move away the domains first, so you dont risk them being cancelled

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gbee:

they can't cancel them

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gbee:

they are just an intermediary, not the registrar and .co.uk domains have different rules/protection

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gbee:

can't find a single pencil

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gbee:

ok, they've replied stating it was an error and I've been refunded the difference :)

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FR^2:

Hmm. What "services" does mythtvbackend provide on the tcp ports 6543 and 6544? And is there any way to access the EPG via a web frontend?

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iamlindoro:

Jesus, this Christopher Meredith guy does not have a future in theming

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juski:

lemme email him ;)

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iamlindoro:

Don't know how much more clear I can be than "you are looking at the wrong part of the XML entirely, you are lost and have no clue, it works fine"

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kwagga:

Hi All, anyone here making use of TT-1500 DVB-T cards in The Netherlands?

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gbee:

sphery, knowledgejunkie: already attached a patch to fix Simon's segfault, I'm not going to speculate on the root cause of the condition under which we lose backend connectivity since Daniel is already looking at that, but the segfault was pretty simple

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Spida:

do I undestand correctly that a pvr 500 is just two pvr 150s/250 on one board?

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iamlindoro:

Basically, yes

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gbee:

in capability, if not technically

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jduggan:

UK to get HD softcore porn channel

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** jduggan rescans **

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jduggan:

*snigger*

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iamlindoro:

bah, softcore

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jduggan:

lol

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kwagga:

Anyone know if there's a way to force mythtv to lock while doing a channel scan? I have a perfectly working channels.conf in kaffeine, but when I do a channel scan in myth and present the channel.conf I keep on getting timeouts

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gbee:

timeouts are normal, question is whether you get channels found

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vintonc:

Is anyone aware of a issue with the gui offsets in mythtv not working with fedora 10? Using the command line options works for the gui but then xrandr won't change resolutions for my sd recordings.

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kwagga:

gbee I'm afraid no channels found. This is worrying since I'm using valid multiplexes that contains working channels.

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gbee:

you performed a "Full Scan"? Ignore the channels.conf for now and make sure you have selected your correct locale otherwise it will be scanning the wrong frequencies for your country

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kwagga:

gbee tried a full scan, it only locks on one of the 4 valid multiplexes. Funny thing is, I never had this issue running pre 0.20 version. Hardware stayd the same, version changed to 0.20

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gbee:

0.20? you mean 0.21?

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** iamlindoro sniffs around for LMCE **

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gbee:

if you aren't already running 0.21-fixes (not 0.21) then please upgrade, 0.21 is nearly 18 months old and it's likely bugs you've found in 0.20 were fixed already

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gbee:

0.22 is just around the corner

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wombo:

and 0.23 is way over the hill......and then over the next and the next........:)

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iamlindoro:

In theory the gap between .22 and .23 should be much narrowed than .21 and .22

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iamlindoro:

As there's no qt4 port to do and the MythUI stuff will be closer to completion

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iamlindoro:

But you never know I guess

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gbee:

we plan on keeping the 0.23 cycle as short as possible, focusing on completing the mythui porting and addressing any bugs in 0.22

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wombo:

Will that include the conversion of mythweb to Web 2.0 ???

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wombo:

:) hehe

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wombo:

some punk will read that and believe it is going to happen

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iamlindoro:

Is there really a way of saying that a site is "completely" web 2.0 anyway?

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iamlindoro:

and doesn't mythweb have a number of web 2.0-ish features already?

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sid3windr:

yeah it does some ajaxy stuff

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sid3windr:

however, a web2.0 site means its pages cannot be bookmarked

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sid3windr:

mythweb is only halfway

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wombo:

I think it is like Web 1.35 at the moment

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gbee:

Web 2.0 is a nonsense term (utter bollocks)

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wombo:

bring on 3.0

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iamlindoro:

Isn't there an open ticket requesting HTML 5.0 streaming?

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iamlindoro:

Last I checked it was still open and still feature request without patch

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wombo:

yeah but that standard is up the wazoo

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wombo:

I think it has been canned for the moment as all the major browser players couldnt agree on a codec

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iamlindoro:

No, it's part of the standard, they just removed the requirement of which codec it would be

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iamlindoro:

to allow each to use what they want

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wombo:

all ok

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wombo:

ahh*

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sid3windr:

which makes it rather useless?

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gbee:

HTML 5.0 just seemed a bad joke to me, they were going the right way with xhtml then suddenly up pops HTML 5.0 harking back to the days of marquee, blink and animated gifs

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sid3windr:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

sid3windr: The argument I have heard is that they never required what image formats would be supported in the image tag, and that worked out okay

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sid3windr:

IE does bmp's in there too

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sid3windr:

so people put bmps

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sid3windr:

but ff/opera don't get that.. ;)

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iamlindoro:

In reality, everyone will use either ogg or h.264, so all browsers will support both

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iamlindoro:

don't think it's going to be a big deal

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wombo:

yeah I think google said ogg wasnt ready for prime time. And they support h264

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wombo:

or something

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wombo:

or maybe it was the reverse

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iamlindoro:

google supports h.264

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iamlindoro:

because ogg sucks

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iamlindoro:

hard

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: sid3windr: The argument I have heard is that they never required what image formats would be supported in the image tag, and that worked out okay <--- transparent PNG's come to mind

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** iamlindoro marvels at the misunderstanding on the users list of what telecine is **

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RyeBrye:

telecine? that's a european TV station, right?

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RyeBrye:

;)

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sid3windr:

lol

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Shadow_X:

hey stoth

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iamlindoro:

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadgethd.com/med . . . tings_md.jpg

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iamlindoro:

New Macrovision guide they are trying to sell

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Shadow_X:

thats interesting

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iamlindoro:

I wonder if it is wrong of me to be annoyed by the fact that the names of the shows get a text transform, but the times don't

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sid3windr:

haha

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sid3windr:

yeah that's pretty stupid :p

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Shadow_X:

nope never second guess yourself

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sid3windr:

and probably a bug

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Is the videometadata field 'host' only populated with a hostname when a SG 'Videos' exists or is it also populated when there are multiple backends? I suspect it is only used along with 'Videos' SGs but I need to confirm.

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iamlindoro:

Yes, you are correct

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iamlindoro:

Only used w/ SGs

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gbee:

iamlindoro: looks great, no idea how you'd make that work if it had to be defined by theme though

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gbee:

it's easy to create a really different layout when you only need to worry about the one working

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Hmm, figured such a thing might be possible using a transform matrix, with 0 spacing between items, and making the transform change the offset and not the angle

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iamlindoro:

Not currently possible for sure, but was under the impression you ahd the transform matrix stuff planned

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GreyFoxx:

That does look pretty slick

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gbee:

yeah, it would be possible to achieve a fair approximation with mythui, just not identical (without making the xml really complicated)

[16:31:56]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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RDV_Linux:

thanks

[16:32:40]

iamlindoro:

I'm less interested in the transform (which is gimmicky) and would be far more interested in us getting the show cards in there (or starting to use fanart for that purpose)

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iamlindoro:

Which is why I'm more than passingly interested in TMS's expanded suite of services

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gbee:

the transform stuff is planned (for 0.23 now) and I'd need to properly mythui the guide widget, with that done you could get pretty close

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RyeBrye:

Doesn't TMS serve up that kind of art to other people currently?

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: Yes, it's part of an expanded array of services they want to sell SD

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iamlindoro:

which means more money, and someone having to implement it

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RyeBrye:

yes, of course they want more money :/

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gbee:

plus it may be limited to certain regions, great if you live in one, but for everyone else ...

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iamlindoro:

gbee: I'm looking forward to it-- Have more or less decided that outside of a few tweaks, I will probably leave Graphite as .22 compatible and put my effort into something new, to include any new features implemented for .23

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gbee:

same here, maybe

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gbee:

I'm working on a new theme for 0.23, but right now it mostly works within the limitations of 0.22

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iamlindoro:

Haven't even mocked anything up for the new one yet, just have random ideas floating around

[16:38:40]

iamlindoro:

Mostly a desire to make something more "sleek," for lack of a better word

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gbee:

hoping we'll get some more people interested, I probably wouldn't have ever come up with something as well designed as that screenshot – I know my limitations

[16:40:27]

iamlindoro:

Heh, That one is okay, I prefer the moxi EPG

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gbee:

already I'm looking at this new theme and thinking that it might not make the grade

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iamlindoro:

http://www.gadgetreview.com/wp-content/upload . . . -580x326.jpg

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cesman:

ahh....

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cesman:

moxi

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I like

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gbee:

hmm, it's ok, not to my taste though

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cesman:

and that is going on 7 years now

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iamlindoro:

I like the simplicity of the live TV EPG

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iamlindoro:

ie "What's on NOW"

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iamlindoro:

keeps the user focus on what is relevant to the context

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gbee:

feels a little cluttered/confusing

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iamlindoro:

Interesting, what I like most about it is the simplicity

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kormoc_:

that's what she said!

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iamlindoro:

heh

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hmmm, dead system drive on my BE/FE box, not good

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meshe:

that'll teach me to back up the mythconverg db to another system

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laga:

ouch

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meshe:

still have to see if it's at all recoverable, but it's not looking good so far

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: When was the videometadata table 'host' field added to that table? Was it in 0.21 or only with trunk?

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iamlindoro:

Trunk only, as part of the SG additions

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iamlindoro:

specifically, r19979

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RDV_Linux:

Glad I am such a slow typist as you anticipated my next question. Thanks

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iamlindoro:

Heh, reading the mythvideo changelog gives one a certain sense of pride

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I assume you are frequently name, Congrats.

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iamlindoro:

now and again, anyway

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kormoc:

There can only be one Robert!

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meshe:

He's dead Jim

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iamlindoro:

but there can be a Robert and a Rob

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kormoc:

Ooh...

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iamlindoro:

Could have gotten messy

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luker:

Hi there, my mythtv box is equipped with two harddisks. How can I tell MythTV to use not only the standard path /home/mythtv/Movies but the other harddisk, too?

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kormoc:

luker, add it to the storage group

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meshe:

kormoc: i'm doing the same "Where's my friggen iPhone?"

[18:39:39]

kormoc:

It left Anchorage yesterday at 4:39 pm, it should have arrived in Seattle last night... grumble grumble...

[18:39:54]

meshe:

kormoc: mini?

[18:39:58]

kormoc:

Aye

[18:52:36]

jpabq:

meshe: Mine is out for delivery

[18:52:58]

meshe:

nice, nothing on ups yet for mine

[18:53:21]

kormoc:

I'm sure some moose are really enjoying the power of the mini right about now...

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meshe:

so simple even a Canadian Moose can run OS X

[18:55:37]

iamlindoro:

Whih everyone knows is the most retarded variety of moose

[18:55:44]

iamlindoro:

s/Whih/Which/

[18:56:15]

** kormoc wonders if you can use beirdo bot logs as wikipedia citations **

[18:56:29]

jpabq:

I really like my macbook. OSX is better than any MS OS. That is not to say that OSX is bug free. OSX has a couple of bugs that I hit ALL THE TIME, and drive me nuts.

[18:56:44]

** iamlindoro is on a Macbook Air presently **

[18:56:55]

iamlindoro:

and Colloquy is by far the best IRC client

[18:57:00]

kormoc:

xchat aqua!

[18:57:12]

sphery:

irssi!

[18:57:16]

iamlindoro:

Ewww

[18:57:20]

iamlindoro:

ouble eww

[18:57:22]

iamlindoro:

double

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kormoc:

/dev/tcp/irc.freenode.net/6667!

[18:57:31]

iamlindoro:

Colloquy + bip :)

[18:57:35]

sphery:

see, Colloquy can't even spell^^^

[18:58:03]

sphery:

irssi + screen (and + bip, as desired)

[18:58:08]

iamlindoro:

bah

[18:59:17]

sphery:

kormoc: BTW, the ever-patient tester, inordkuo , verified the new patches on #6700. I think they're good and just need some dusting off by a real PHP coder.

[18:59:25]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: See the down side to posting tickets publicly? Some people should be forced to use the release :)

[18:59:31]

** kormoc gets the canned air **

[18:59:57]

sphery:

down side = people tell you when your patches don't work?

[19:00:18]

iamlindoro:

If kormoc gets his Mac Mini tomorrow, where does that place the release of pyMythWeb and MythWeb-mt, anyway?

[19:00:24]

iamlindoro:

and MythWeb-wp, I guess

[19:00:28]

** kormoc laughs **

[19:00:35]

sphery:

mt = multi-thread?

[19:00:38]

iamlindoro:

In time for .22, I'll bet

[19:00:45]

jams:

moveabletype

[19:00:49]

iamlindoro:

and I'll post that same prediction to the users list right now!

[19:00:57]

sphery:

I heard that MythWeb is moving to AppleScript

[19:01:04]

iamlindoro:

I heard it's not Web 2.0 enough

[19:01:15]

sphery:

jams: thanks... I don't speak blog/wiki

[19:01:16]

Dagmar:

It'll run pretty well as a hypercard stack

[19:01:17]

jams:

sphery- yes thats why kormoc needed the mini

[19:01:21]

iamlindoro:

and that X**C totally has like a web 5.0 interface

[19:02:04]

sphery:

Dagmar: true, and since everyone using that new-fangled web thing is violating the Apple patents from HyperCard, we can finally clean up our act by moving to HyperCard

[19:02:15]

** kormoc laughs **

[19:02:41]

kormoc:

We'll require firefox 3000

[19:02:45]

EvilGuru:

Hmm, I didn't know DVB-T had provisions for updating over the air

[19:02:58]

sphery:

EIT guide data?

[19:03:22]

sphery:

if so, there are up sides and down sides

[19:03:40]

sphery:

(though far more up sides for DVB-T than for ATSC)

[19:03:45]

EvilGuru:

sphery: No, as in a firmware style upgrade

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sphery:

oh

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sphery:

that's scary...

[19:04:29]

EvilGuru:

The thing has never ever been near a ethernet cable and doesn't have wifi

[19:04:37]

sphery:

some random broadcaster sending out new firmware to receivers made by various other companies?

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[19:05:23]

saedelaere:

hi

[19:05:32]

sphery:

hello

[19:05:38]

EvilGuru:

Unlikely, I would expect TVs like most devices to use digitally signed updates

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saedelaere:

i have a hauppauge pvr 150, now when i change to s-video or composite video input do i also have to tune a channel/frequency or should i receive a picture immediately?

[19:06:40]

EvilGuru:

http://www.dtg.org.uk/industry/download_schedule.php &md ash; hmm

[19:08:27]

jpabq:

10% off coupon available for Dell. Knocks the price of a WD 2TB drive down to $180

[19:09:31]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: What's it make an hd-pvr? 190ish?

[19:09:51]

sphery:

saedelaere: are you using a set-top-box, like a cable or satellite receiver?

[19:09:52]

iamlindoro:

(can't remember what they charge)

[19:10:08]

saedelaere:

just have analog cable

[19:10:33]

sphery:

saedelaere: then you should be using the tuner in the PVR-150

[19:10:33]

jpabq:

iamlindoro: $215, but with a $30 mail in rebate

[19:10:46]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: Ah, not too bad

[19:11:14]

sphery:

saedelaere: to get a picture via S-Video or Composite, you need some tuner (or other TV source, such as a VCR or DVD player or ...) involved

[19:11:29]

jpabq:

iamlindoro: saw it on techbargains.com

[19:12:16]

sphery:

not bad--$0.09/GB (only slightly more than a 1 or 1.5TB)

[19:12:19]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: New HD-PVR rock solid so far, not sure I care for the BRIGHT bling lights or branding, but since it's in a closet it doesn't bother me-- reinforcing the backplane is welcome, though

[19:13:09]

sphery:

saedelaere: am I misunderstanding your question?

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EvilGuru:

iamlindoro: New HD-PVR!?! Have a link to the details/differences?

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iamlindoro:

EvilGuru: It's nothing new to anyone who didn't buy one of the first few hundred units

[19:18:13]

Dibblah:

He didn't have one before. Now he does? ;)

[19:18:35]

iamlindoro:

EvilGuru: Adds vents in the bottom, blue bling lights on top, Hauppauge branding, and cooling/heatsinking on the encoder chip, and reinforces the backplane

[19:18:52]

EvilGuru:

Just minor design tweaks/corrections then

[19:18:54]

iamlindoro:

So more tweaks than what you might call "new"

[19:18:58]

iamlindoro:

yes

[19:19:11]

** Dibblah wants a slave to do his work work. **

[19:19:29]

sphery:

all we have here are slave backends

[19:19:47]

iamlindoro:

Was nice to send back an early revision and get a brand new current revision for the RMA, though :)

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iamlindoro:

I got to enjoy it early and then trade it in for the current hardware, while getting it brand new. nice! :)

[19:21:54]

saedelaere:

sphery: yes the question is, do i get a signal on composite e.g. as soon as i have a signal there or do i have to use the tuner of my pvr to tune to special frequency.

[19:22:13]

saedelaere:

but as longer as i'am thinking of my own question i think it was stupid :)

[19:22:58]

sphery:

as I think you've figured out, the tuner isn't used with S-Vid/Composite, so you should get a picture immediately

[19:23:09]

saedelaere:

ok thanks a lot

[19:23:11]

saedelaere:

:)

[19:23:20]

sphery:

though--if whatever is sending the picture isn't on/tuned/whatever--it may be a black picture with no audio :)

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[19:23:53]

sphery:

I call it "Darkness and Silence." I recorded several hours of it when I had Dish network and forgot to turn on my receiver.

[19:24:12]

sphery:

Every episode is the same, though, so it's hardly worth watching.

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saedelaere:

rofl

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[19:25:35]

saedelaere:

ok got to leace, have a nice chat

[19:25:38]

gbee:

eh? When did they stop making the 45W AMD processors? Can't find anywhere that stocks the 4850e etc

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[19:25:56]

sphery:

newegg (US) has the 5050e on sale for $10 off

[19:26:12]

sphery:

I think you want a 5050e, though--better than the 4850e and also 45W

[19:26:14]

Finswimmer:

Hello, I am recording "The simpsons". How can I get them sorted (S01E01–19 e.g.) in the most easiest way?

[19:26:27]

sphery:

gbee: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103298

[19:26:40]

Finswimmer:

Is there a way to chang betwenn "order by name" and "order by date" very quickly?

[19:27:00]

gbee:

sphery: true, but only by 0.1 Ghz and it's ~£60 here, I paid £40 for the 4850e back in November :(

[19:27:22]

gbee:

wanted another for my production box

[19:27:55]

sphery:

hmmm... $49.99 here with promo code EMCLVMR28 .

[19:28:08]

sphery:

perhaps they're (once again) favoring the US for distribution

[19:30:43]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, newegg only lists the 4450B (2.3GHz) and the 5050e (2.6GHz) dual cores as available.

[19:30:53]

sphery:

guess maybe the 4850e is out of production

[19:31:01]

gbee:

can't find anything in the EE range here, unless I want to pay nearly 50% more

[19:31:24]

gbee:

which isn't exactly unaffordable, I just resent it

[19:32:07]

sphery:

especially when your last was so much less

[19:33:17]

gbee:

hmm, wonder what sets the LE-1640 apart aside from having half the cache

[19:33:34]

sphery:

single core

[19:34:35]

gbee:

oh that explains it then ... wonder why it's in the list of Dual Core search results

[19:34:57]

sphery:

maybe it's a buy-one-get-one-free CPU deal ;)

[19:38:23]

JEDIDIAH__:

has anyone tried the asrock ION system that newegg sells yet?

[19:38:50]

** JEDIDIAH__ tried to order a revo from amazon.uk but it wouldn't accept the US shipping address. **

[19:40:11]

gbee:

ok, that's annoying, the 4850e and 5050e were nice cpus, great price/power/performance

[19:40:38]

iamlindoro:

JEDIDIAH__: It was reviewed quite positively at phoronix this week

[19:40:54]

iamlindoro:

http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article . . . 30&num=1

[19:41:01]

JEDIDIAH__:

I figure it has the same "flash problem" as the revo does.

[19:41:03]

gbee:

just zero stocks all over here, bigger names just aren't even bothering to list them anymore

[19:42:15]

sphery:

I've been considering getting a new system for my mbe... The $10 discount on that 5050e (that /is/ in stock, here ;) might be enough encouragement...

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[19:44:38]

gbee:

reason I was looking for one is that the open source AMD driver is less efficient than Catalyst when it comes to XV and 1080i, so I can no longer manage HD on my frontend :(

[19:46:37]

gbee:

real pain in the neck, driver developers aren't really interested in working on XV performance (submitted patches were rejected for being unmaintainable)

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[19:47:13]

gbee:

dunno if the ffmpeg-mt stuff will make a difference for h.264

[19:47:49]

iamlindoro:

It ought to

[19:48:09]

JEDIDIAH__:

it will require nice beefy cpu's though.

[19:48:22]

iamlindoro:

Not at all, it will drastically lower the CPU needs

[19:48:36]

iamlindoro:

ffmpeg-mt will make a medium range c2d more than adequate for any h.264 material

[19:48:46]

JEDIDIAH__:

is anything supposed to be planned for amd/ati in terms of hw acceleration like vdpau

[19:49:00]

iamlindoro:

They have had their equivalent in drivers for over a year now

[19:49:00]

JEDIDIAH__:

cpus in low profile boxes are still anemic

[19:49:02]

iamlindoro:

just no API

[19:49:19]

sphery:

XvBA

[19:49:28]

iamlindoro:

anything with a ~1.6–8 Ghz C2D will easily manage blu ray content with fmpeg-mt

[19:49:40]

sphery:

supposedly the VA-API guys are going to have support for it

[19:49:51]

JEDIDIAH__:

dunno about that ial. I will believe it when I see it.

[19:49:56]

iamlindoro:

and won't hork on broken streams like VDPAU does-- yay software decode!

[19:50:17]

iamlindoro:

JEDIDIAH__: ffmpeg-mt is already testable, and our resident myth ffmpeg expert has experiemtned with it in myth

[19:50:21]

sphery:

of course, that's once they fix ffmpeg-mt to not hork on non-broken streams (of various types :)

[19:50:27]

iamlindoro:

sphery: indeed

[19:50:33]

JEDIDIAH__:

I thought software decode was already borking on broken streams.

[19:50:47]

iamlindoro:

pfft, software decode is infinitely better at broken streams than VDPAU

[19:50:49]

sphery:

certainly doesn't lock up the system requiring a hard boot

[19:50:49]

JEDIDIAH__:

...freaky CBS streams

[19:50:59]

sphery:

s/hard/cold/

[19:51:17]

iamlindoro:

Don't read confused ramblings on the users list, that thread makes my head hurt it's so wrong

[19:51:17]

JEDIDIAH__:

vdpau hasn't choked on me quite that hard yet. although I don't use it that much.

[19:51:21]

sphery:

are the CBS (and/or NBC) streams really broken?

[19:51:24]

iamlindoro:

no

[19:51:36]

JEDIDIAH__:

it's not a bug it's a feature.

[19:51:44]

sphery:

isn't it just telecined?

[19:52:04]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Heh

[19:53:26]

iamlindoro:

There's a pretty good mplayer dev list thread floating around somewhere that explains the "saw xx progressive frames," etc. issue

[19:53:31]

JEDIDIAH__:

I thought that hdpvr captures weren't suitable for mt decode.

[19:54:03]

iamlindoro:

JEDIDIAH__: I think you are misunderstanding what ffmpeg-mt is

[19:54:13]

iamlindoro:

or confusing the HD-PVR decode issue with it, anyway

[19:54:16]

sphery:

iamlindoro: so (all my investigation was just reading random posts on the current thread on -users list), it's not just 2:3 pulldown-ed?

[19:54:28]

JEDIDIAH__:

a definite possibility

[19:55:03]

iamlindoro:

ffmpeg-mt is generic frame level multithread of all codecs, currently maintained in a seperate branch. Its very strength is that it *doesn't* rely on the current encoding limitations that ffmpeg's existing, limited multithreading does

[19:55:23]

JEDIDIAH__:

cool

[19:55:41]

iamlindoro:

so while current ffmpeg requires multi-sliced encoding, ffmpeg-mt removes that requirement, and (can) multithread all codecs

[19:55:52]

iamlindoro:

(though it requires some code tweaks to each)

[19:56:13]

iamlindoro:

and based on some testing w/ it in myth, the decode is spread linearly amongst available cores

[19:56:31]

iamlindoro:

so very roughly speaking, you get the combined clockrate of your cores thrown at the decode

[19:56:38]

iamlindoro:

(minus some overhead)

[19:57:24]

iamlindoro:

so a 1.8 Ghz C2D (pretty low end) is as far as decode is concerned, 3.6 Ghz of clock speed

[19:57:42]

iamlindoro:

With all the advantages/better reliability of software decode

[19:57:52]

sphery:

iamlindoro: heh, just saw your above message saying that thread is all wrong...

[19:57:52]

iamlindoro:

Which is why some of us are pretty psyched about it :)

[19:58:05]

sphery:

guess that means I should flush it all

[19:58:30]

iamlindoro:

sphery: The biggest error is in the "explanation" of what telecining is

[19:58:37]

gbee:

probably worth waiting for a stable -mt patch against trunk and then upgrading from 0.21, though I'd still have preferred a lower TDP cpu in that machine

[19:58:42]

sphery:

I ignored all that

[19:58:54]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Anyway, I wrote a long reply and realized that I was about to get into a pissing match and deleted it

[19:58:54]

gbee:

AMD, why hath thou forsaken the uk?

[19:59:34]

sphery:

but found it /much/ easier to believe that it was just something Myth didn't handle well/how-random-users-thought-was-right rather than all CBS affiliates sending out broken streams

[19:59:53]

sphery:

so I figured it must be telecining

[20:00:17]

sphery:

(as we don't really have much/any ivtc support, do we?)

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iamlindoro:

well, we don't, but myth will still play telecined material just fine

[20:01:20]

sphery:

yeah

[20:01:30]

iamlindoro:

personally notice no issues with 1080i material from either channel, but I'm also tracking trunk and not fixes so I can't speak to that experience

[20:01:47]

sphery:

I /really/ think the only "bug" is Myth's outputting info on its enabling/disabling deint

[20:01:57]

sphery:

i.e. if the users weren't told that, they wouldn't have anything to complain about

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Shadow_X:

i watch 1080i material fine what doesnt work fine is my comcast equipment

[20:02:19]

sphery:

iamlindoro: and I notice no issues with CBS or NBC material and I'm using -fixes

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iamlindoro:

there you go

[20:02:40]

sphery:

but I also have a sufficiently-powerful system that enabling/disabling deint doesn't cause playback issues

[20:02:44]

iamlindoro:

I suppose it's possible that some local processing is getting messed up

[20:03:05]

iamlindoro:

But I can definitely ivtc my 1080i stuff, so I know the flags are there

[20:03:10]

sphery:

I think it boils down to underpowered systems

[20:03:26]

sphery:

and users unwilling to admit their systems are underpowered

[20:03:51]

jams:

so your saying refuse to start if myth detects a puny cpu?

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msaul_:

Hi, I was chatting with some (yesterday) of using a better machine for frontend to view HD channels, with my backend being an older machine... I had a question regarding Myth's Upnp problem connecting to backend server...

[20:04:01]

sphery:

and, likely running logging at -v everything,kitchen_sink

[20:04:05]

Shadow_X:

jams: yups do it

[20:04:57]

JEDIDIAH__:

...perhaps a content specific warning might be in order. You could put it with the "please wait" message.

[20:05:22]

JEDIDIAH__:

the desktop players throw errors when it thinks the box is to weak.

[20:05:24]

sphery:

jams: better, just don't give any ammunition--I mean log output--to users if Myth detects a puny CPU

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iamlindoro:

trunk/the future .22 flags all recordings with their resolution, so that should help diagnostically, assuming they run a theme that displays the resolution icons

[20:05:54]

JEDIDIAH__:

I think myth already does that... logs output on puny cpu

[20:06:13]

sphery:

msaul_: what specific errors?

[20:06:17]

JEDIDIAH__:

...about time

[20:06:26]

sphery:

msaul_: only MythWeb should be using UPnP, though

[20:06:32]

msaul_:

Upnp, cannot connect backend server

[20:06:52]

msaul_:

I setup IP address for backend server properly...

[20:07:16]

sphery:

if using multiple systems, you can /not/ use 127.0.0.1 /anywhere/ in the configuration

[20:07:32]

msaul_:

Its weird, because in when running *Windoze* the Mythtv player accesses the Myth backend no problem...

[20:07:35]

sphery:

chances are you have that as the master backend ip and it's disabling upnp?

[20:07:52]

Shadow_X:

msaul_: yeah you have to allow outside connections to mysql

[20:07:59]

sphery:

really, though, nothing should be using UPnP except MythWeb

[20:08:08]

msaul_:

I recall I already did that

[20:08:14]

iamlindoro:

Anduin, just polling you and checking whether you thought the mondo-patch I have pending would make it in for .22 (and trout me if I'm nagging you)

[20:08:37]

sphery:

msaul_: Ahhh... You mean the backend selection which uses UPnP to try to auto-discover the backend

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msaul_:

I performed a series of commands to do that, and then use "Flush" command at end (can't remember specifics)

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sphery:

msaul_: no big deal... Just configure it manually

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sphery:

UPnP requires switches that pass multicast pings and other stuff that might not work on your net

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sphery:

msaul_: there should be an option to configure manually--just type in the master backend ip and the database server ip

[20:09:33]

sphery:

and whatever else it requests

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sphery:

then save

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: if I get some time it will make it, I'm going to have to find some time before .22 as mythvideo can't go out as is

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msaul_:

I did that, but indicated can't connect to that port

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msaul_:

6534 as I recall

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: OK, fair answer, thank you

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: and I don't mind nagging, sometimes it is the only way to make me feel guilty enough :)

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msaul_:

Someone mentioned there is a bug with Upnp... but I don't know if that is the situation...

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sphery:

Anduin: if nothing else, just commenting the MythVideo-related storage group names from kSpecialGroups would be better than current (i.e. only allow people who did some research to use MythVideo + Storage Groups)

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Why would you feel guilty? It's only been months and months, and you only said you'd do it a few months back ;) (TOTALLY JOKING)

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sphery:

msaul_: should be 6543, but assuming that was a typo and not a misconfiguration, you likely have a firewall that's blocking it

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iamlindoro:

Heh, anyway, the longer it goes, the more random new features I tack on to it

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sphery:

again with the riders...

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Anduin:

I did say that, I anticipated the usual break between contracts then, currently even when I do get free time I'm sick of looking at the computer

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msaul_:

Yeah, was a typo, I will check to see if it has to do with firewall, but wouldn't that have prevented MytvPlayer for windows not to work if it was using the same port?

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iamlindoro:

Anduin: Was only teasing (because of your guilt comment), besides, as I mentioned it let's me sneak new features in and still piggyback on the same sense of guilt ;)

[20:14:19]

iamlindoro:

er lets

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sphery:

msaul_: if it's not a firewall, make sure you are configuring right--use IP address and /not/ hostname

[20:14:48]

sphery:

other than that, I can't think of any other common gotchas

[20:15:01]

msaul_:

Yeah, I was using the IP address

[20:15:19]

msaul_:

I used ifconfig to get that IP address...

[20:15:59]

iamlindoro:

Is VideoStartupDir defined on the system in question?

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msaul_:

My backend computer really does backend and frontend. I'm running another frontend on the other computer...

[20:17:33]

msaul_:

I had set the backend to that IP address and Master IP address, then on the same machine set up for that IP address, and of course, detected that backend and work perfectly, then rebooted system, and then has problems with that frontend connecting to backend (same computer)!

[20:18:07]

msaul_:

As of now, I set backend back to localhost, so I can at least connect frontend (on same physical computer) to backend...

[20:19:06]

msaul_:

When I ran mythfrontend manually, I noticed an error with "MediaRenderer" ...

[20:19:50]

msaul_:

Other errors when running manually indicated "no such file", "can't connect to socket"....

[20:21:44]

msaul_:

When I forgo Upnp, and just run mythfrontend with proper settings, it indicates DBhostname is empty, uses my domain name of my frontend machine. indicates 1 connection, then hangs in the terminal window...

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msaul_:

iamlindoro: Where would VideoStartupDir be located in the setup? I didn't seem to see that, but when running mythfrontend, I recall, it mentioned directory pathname /

[20:26:21]

iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Video Settings->General

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iamlindoro:

path to store videos

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iamlindoro:

If videostartupdir *were* set to /, that could confuse the dickens out of the uPnP server, I'd bet

[20:27:22]

iamlindoro:

as it'd be hunting for files across the whole filesystem(s)

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Hilikus:

is mythbrowser still supported?

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Hilikus:

for some reason i don't have it anymore

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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gbee:

ok, now Simon is getting on my nerves

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Hilikus:

ok so mythbrowser got dropped off the jaunty release

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Hilikus:

anyone here knows why?

[20:40:22]

kormoc:

It's broken in stable?

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Hilikus:

Mythbrowser is based on Konqueror and as such it requires a lot of KDE libraries. Unfortunately it requires KDE3 libraries which are no longer readily available in Ubuntu repos since the switch to KDE4.

[20:40:35]

Hilikus:

no, its just not there

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Hilikus:

the package doesn't exist

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kormoc:

Okay, so your explanation then?

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Hilikus:

From what I can read on the web, Mythbrowser is being completely rewritten to use webkit instead of Konqueror, but this will not be available until the 0.22 release of Mythtv. The advantage should be that it will be easier to make mythbrowser play flash animations etc.

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Hilikus:

is there a time plan for 0.22?

[20:42:02]

kormoc:

Nope

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msaul_:

The directory settings find. On my Backend/Frontend system, I setup for the IP address for local and master and setup frontend to run on that as well and it works. I'm going to work on the frontend again to see what happens... Will get back to you...

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Hilikus:

is it at least true that it is being rewritten?

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pizzledizzle:

hi

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pizzledizzle:

does anyone know if you have to turn off mythtv backend and front end when doing mythfilldatabase --refresh-all?

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wagnerrp:

no

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Hilikus:

pizzledizzle: not the frontend and pretty sure not the backend either

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wagnerrp:

when the backend does a scan, all it does it call mythfilldatabase

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pizzledizzle:

ok thanks

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wagnerrp:

there is no special mode it has to go into

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pizzledizzle:

oh

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wagnerrp:

it will reschedule with the new data when it pleases

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Hilikus:

any suggestions to replace mythbrowser appart form firefox? is there maybe some browser that's specifically made for tvs?

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gbee:

Hilikus: it has been entirely re-written for 0.22

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gbee:

it uses webkit and supports flash animation

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Hilikus:

gbee: i heard. but there's no ETA so i need something to replace it

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gbee:

we supports flash (video whatever)

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iamlindoro:

ETA is soon

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Hilikus:

oh really?

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Hilikus:

cool

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Hilikus:

soon as in < 6months?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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gbee:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

you can always use firefox and lircmd

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Hilikus:

whats lircmd?

[20:48:26]

wagnerrp:

lirc mouse daemon

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Hilikus:

oh ok

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wagnerrp:

for use with simulating an X mouse through lirc

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wagnerrp:

although im not sure what you would do for an onscreen keyboard

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Hilikus:

nah if its soon that 0.22 is coming out then i'll just wait

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you might be able to find firefox plugins designed for this purpose

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gbee:

so long as your definition of soon is < 6 months yeah, soon, maybe 2 months – others might be thinking sooner but I think 2 months is a safer estimate, upto 3 if we find showstopper bugs

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Hilikus:

that's great to hear

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Hilikus:

thanks guys

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** iamlindoro idly wonders about S2API making it in to .22 **

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iamlindoro:

(not that it affects my continent)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: it needs to happen

[21:01:54]

iamlindoro:

Lord knows another 6–9 months of people using hacked together solutions is bad news

[21:02:55]

iamlindoro:

Just hadn't heard it officially mentioned in a while

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gbee:

if I have to, I'll get my hands dirty, but I don't think anyone wants that since I know nothing about the API

[21:09:23]

iamlindoro:

IMO the issue w/ .22 isn't identifying the bugs, it's having the manpower/numbers/expertise to fix them

[21:09:45]

iamlindoro:

I woder where "pre" tarballs will help or hurt

[21:10:06]

iamlindoro:

er wonder

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gbee:

it will only delay 0.22

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iamlindoro:

by accident or by design, there's less than a dozen people who can actively review and apply what patches there are, and of those, the same people are responsible for fixing those issues without patches

[21:11:26]

gbee:

better a limited release than a broken wide release

[21:11:27]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, it kinda seems that way

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JEDIDIAH__:

release it when it's ready. stubborn masochists can keep on checking out copies of trunk.

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: Elementary my dear Watson

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jduggan:

...

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iamlindoro:

dustybin: what are you on about?

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jduggan:

he's just being dustybin

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jduggan:

;]

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iamlindoro:

indeed :)

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knowledgejunkie:

any UK/Eire-based Gentoo users having problems with the tv_grab_uk_rt XMLTV grabber bailing out? (XMLTV version 0.5.55 specifically)

[22:00:41]

gbee:

JEDIDIAH__: we want more people testing 0.22, 0.21 was a little shambolic with fixes being rushed out just hours after it was released, no sense repeating that

[22:01:15]

gbee:

besides myth has reached a size where we really should be having a proper beta stage

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gbee:

knowledgejunkie: just Gentoo?

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knowledgejunkie:

gbee: can't reproduce on Gentoo and will try Ubuntu later

[22:01:56]

meshe:

since it looks like i'll be reinstalling myth without a database backup, i'll put trunk on my production node :)

[22:02:06]

knowledgejunkie:

gbee: s/Gentoo/Fedora/

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gbee:

just checked my logs and it turns out mythfilldatabase has been running all day ...

[22:04:14]

knowledgejunkie:

gbee: I've not had any other complaints since March when it was released – but a Gentoo user's run borks in Encode.pm when getting channel 4 listings

[22:05:01]

gbee:

well it's past C4 here

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knowledgejunkie:

gbee: most likely due to poor utf-8 handling in the grabber but I thought it'd would have affected more users and other distros too

[22:06:05]

knowledgejunkie:

gbee: not had any probs either, nor had anyone else that replied to the thread on xmltv-users

[22:06:55]

knowledgejunkie:

gbee: wanted to check if other Gentooites were experiencing probs too, or if it was an isolated problem

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gbee:

understood, not running Gentoo, but the stuck mfdb process made me wonder if there was a wider issue

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plb:

hey guys I've got my pvrusb2 card working good..plays fine in mplayer but in mythtv when I click watch tv it does nothing...

[22:08:12]

gbee:

stuck mfdb breaks reschedules, which is a bad thing

[22:09:22]

plb:

2009-07–16 18:09:12.115 GetEntryAt(-1) failed.

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plb:

2009-07–16 18:09:12.115 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo

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plb:

2009-07–16 18:09:12.116 TV Error: LiveTV not successfully started

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plb:

is what I get in terminal

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gbee:

plb: you need to complete mythtv-setup, you appear to have no guide data?

[22:10:14]

plb:

hmm

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gbee:

actually ignore me, that shouldn't break livetv

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iamlindoro:

That's a frontend log message

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iamlindoro:

which is useless for diagnosing recording errors

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iamlindoro:

you need to be looking at your backend log

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plb:

im looking now

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plb:

2009-07–16 18:09:12.089 Channel(/dev/video1) Error: GetCurrentChannelNum(): Failed to find Channel

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plb:

2009-07–16 18:09:12.091 Channel(/dev/video1)::TuneTo(): Error, failed to find channel.

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iamlindoro:

It *will* come down to not having done mythtv-setup right, or directory permissions, though

[22:11:22]

plb:

hrm

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iamlindoro:

Sounds like you don't have any channels

[22:11:48]

plb:

hm I do..

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iamlindoro:

myth disagrees

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meshe:

start channel is wrong?

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iamlindoro:

or that

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plb:

lemme see

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iamlindoro:

but more commonly the former

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plb:

so if I have a cable box hooked upto the tuner which has to be on 3 where do i set that?

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iamlindoro:

If you have a cable box, you should use *anything* but the RF, which will give you the worst picture wuality

[22:15:17]

iamlindoro:

quality

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iamlindoro:

S-video, prefereably

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iamlindoro:

RF also requires some extra setting located near start channel for the channel, which there have been questions whether it still works

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plb:

seems to be working

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plb:

argh what's the key to bring up zoom menu in tv?

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plb:

nm

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plb:

hm ok it works with cable box but it doesn't set to channel 3 so I have to go from command line ivtv-tune -c 3 -d /dev/video1

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plb:

before watching tv

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ekristen:

whats the best resolution to run X11 in for mythtv? I have a 56 inch tv hooked up via DVI

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gbee:

the TVs native

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gbee:

i.e. for a 720p set that will probably be 1360x768 or 1366x768

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gbee:

for 1080, pfft who knows, but just pick the top res given by the TV through EDID

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ekristen:

ok

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ekristen:

well now I have another problem (I had to replace my ps, it died) but now when X11 starts it freeze the box

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ekristen:

the box is still pingable but not services work

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ekristen:

can't ssh, can't ftp, can't stream video from it

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ekristen:

all I did was change the power supply out :/

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karatekickz:

what would be the best way to test the .22 without disturbing my present stable install of .21?

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knowledgejunkie:

karatekickz: several different ways depending on your competence

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wagnerrp:

0.22 what?

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knowledgejunkie:

karatekickz: separate distro installation for 0.22-pre into a new partition or virtual machine, or (more involved) you could run them in the same installation but with different databases, binary and library paths

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wagnerrp:

you DO NOT want to install mythtv into a virtual machine

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wagnerrp:

the backend will run fine if you can get hardware access into the VM, but the frontend will be next to worthless

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wagnerrp:

and the updates to be the backend will be things you will never notice

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wagnerrp:

at most, you discover that you now have HDPVR access (if you have one of those) and a broken channel scanner

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karatekickz:

any links on running both on the same distro?

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wagnerrp:

furthermore, if you are unsure about running trunk, you DO NOT want to be running trunk and 0.21 on the same installation

[23:03:38]

wagnerrp:

you need to install each of them into their own separate prefix (rather than /usr or /usr/local)

[23:03:50]

wagnerrp:

something which is not going to be done with any pre-compiled build

[23:04:20]

wagnerrp:

you have to custom define your PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH so mythtv and your linker can find the necessary binaries and libraries

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wagnerrp:

and you need to figure out how to install qt3 and qt4 on the same system without conflicting, which can be done, but is non-trivial

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wagnerrp:

either repartition, or install to a second drive

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wagnerrp:

or if you netboot, this can be done very simply

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meshe:

or get another box

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Dagmar:

What he doesn't mention is that if you're the kind of person who needs to be told all that, the chance you'll be able to do it on your own is slightly less than zero.

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Dagmar:

...meaning the odds are higher you could possibly start a housefire

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karatekickz:

thx for the good info... I guess I will hold off

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