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| [00:13:53] | psm321: | is it normal for some tuners (qam/atsc) to not show signal strength? or does it mean i have something misconfigured? |
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| [00:14:41] | iamlindoro: | Yes, some drivers do not show signal strength |
| [00:16:36] | psm321: | just curious, is it generally a driver limitation or hardware limitation? |
| [00:16:54] | iamlindoro: | driver |
| [00:17:01] | psm321: | k thanks :) |
| [00:17:04] | psm321: | brb |
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| [00:27:16] | mycosys: | kormoc: may i request a sanity check? mythtv-backend – start section modified http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1495306 |
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| [00:30:42] | mycosys: | or anyone lol |
| [00:31:14] | clever: | mycosys: mysqld_status is a function in the mysql script, you forgot to copy it |
| [00:31:29] | mycosys: | thats what i'm talkin bout lol |
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| [00:32:03] | mycosys: | lack of sleep thanks to dog makes for silly errors lol |
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| [00:33:05] | mycosys: | thank you |
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| [00:43:24] | ** iamlindoro grumbles about random PM'age ** | |
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| [00:45:07] | Shadow__X: | :D |
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| [00:59:21] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, what did the Prime Minister do to you lately? |
| [01:01:00] | iamlindoro: | He was a made-up position, that's what he did! |
| [01:01:13] | iamlindoro: | Who ever heard of such a thing... |
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| [01:06:23] | mycosys: | clever: (or others) – sanity check #2 for mythtv-backend lol http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1495328 :) thank you :) |
| [01:08:27] | iamlindoro: | Wonder if it's worth clearing out all the feature requests that already exist... |
| [01:10:11] | Dagmar: | Maybe. |
| [01:10:20] | Dagmar: | What's certain is that I have tickets to Harry Potter and you don't. :) |
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| [01:12:18] | sphery: | re: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6126#comment:5 --patch is trivial and applying it to MythWeb--even packaged versions--is trivial |
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| [01:14:44] | iamlindoro: | Anyone have an *objection* to clearing out feature requests that are already committed? (but leaving those implemented in tickets) |
| [01:15:07] | iamlindoro: | 80% of the MythVideo ones are already committed or in tickets |
| [01:15:35] | sphery: | I wouldn't object to clearing a lot of the unimplemented ones :) |
| [01:15:45] | sphery: | my choice, of course... |
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| [01:16:14] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [01:16:20] | iamlindoro: | OK, I'm gonna do some pruning, then |
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| [01:41:33] | larzen: | anyone...how would i go about buying a pvr-150 ? |
| [01:41:39] | iamlindoro: | ebay |
| [01:42:43] | iamlindoro: | $20 buy it now |
| [01:42:57] | iamlindoro: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150-M . . . 3A1|294%3A50 |
| [01:44:32] | iamlindoro: | $17 buy it now |
| [01:44:32] | iamlindoro: | http://cgi.ebay.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-150-M . . . 3A1|294%3A50 |
| [01:44:44] | iamlindoro: | (with 6 available, too) |
| [01:46:14] | sphery: | ooh, and probably special deals on shipping when ordering multiple |
| [01:46:54] | psm321: | dont forget bing cashback :) |
| [01:47:07] | psm321: | though i guess its not worth it on something that cheap |
| [01:51:39] | larzen: | oh wow |
| [01:51:43] | larzen: | ok =) thanks! |
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| [02:09:50] | larzen: | wooooow pvr-150 = awesome picture |
| [02:10:06] | larzen: | pvr-500 = terrible |
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| [02:13:02] | Shadow__X: | larzen, but arent the tuners on the 500 the same as the 150 |
| [02:13:41] | kormoc: | yes, they are |
| [02:13:53] | larzen: | they arnt |
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| [02:14:22] | larzen: | the tuner in the PVR-150 is a Philips NTSC MK3 (FM1236MK3 or FM1236/F) |
| [02:14:38] | larzen: | the tuners in the PVR-500 are samsung tunners |
| [02:14:54] | kormoc: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_PVR-500#Introduction |
| [02:15:00] | kormoc: | Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 500 type B – Philips FQ1236A MK4 TV tuner |
| [02:15:06] | kormoc: | Hauppauge WinTV-PVR 500 type A – Philips FQ1216AME MK4 TV tuner |
| [02:15:11] | kormoc: | All depends on the hardware version |
| [02:15:41] | larzen: | apparently the philips tuners are far superior to the samsung ones |
| [02:15:43] | kormoc: | But don't let facts get in the way of your joy |
| [02:16:21] | iamlindoro: | I've heard from both stoth and mkrufky that the Samsung issues with the driver have been solved for years, and I tend to trust their knowledge of the issues |
| [02:16:34] | larzen: | iamlindoro: i have the latest drivers and kernel =) |
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| [02:16:51] | iamlindoro: | larzen, Ten it's a driver configuration issue or bad card, as I mentioned to you several days ago |
| [02:16:55] | kormoc: | Newer pvr 150's ship with the samsung tuner as well iirc |
| [02:17:11] | iamlindoro: | as both of the guys mentioned above are both Hauppauge engineers and involved with the driver development in linux |
| [02:17:34] | iamlindoro: | and as such, their answers are pretty darn reliable |
| [02:18:01] | ** kormoc hopes that he doesn't burn out the nvidia card in his mini now... ** | |
| [02:18:22] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, You'll need it to play naughty single sliced H.264 :) |
| [02:19:03] | iamlindoro: | at least, until .23 has multithreaded ffmpeg :) |
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| [02:19:34] | kormoc: | Yeah, makes me wonder if I should give my aspect patch the sleep for the vdpau support :P |
| [02:20:11] | iamlindoro: | mark might have some good advice/help for that patch |
| [02:21:01] | kormoc: | Yeah, and I guess it's unlikely I'd fry another peice of hardware... |
| [02:21:07] | ** kormoc eyes apple's return policy ** | |
| [02:21:31] | iamlindoro: | Their service/support is one of my major reasons for loving them |
| [02:21:45] | iamlindoro: | dropped an iphone in a dogbowl, they replaced it no questions asked |
| [02:21:53] | iamlindoro: | then I dropped that iphone in a big gulp, and they did it again |
| [02:22:38] | wagnerrp: | sounds like you need one of those electronic condoms they make for the wiimotes |
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| [02:23:01] | psm321: | i'm still wary of the samsung tuners, but the last time a bought a 500 i was able to find the phillips version on ebay |
| [02:24:29] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, i thought they had a strict iphone water policy do you have an at&t protection plan |
| [02:24:54] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, they do, and I was honest about what happened, they replaced them with a refurbed unit in the store, both times |
| [02:25:18] | iamlindoro: | I'm also quite charming in person :) |
| [02:25:22] | Shadow__X: | ah ok well atleast thats good |
| [02:25:33] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, what do you mean you are charming here as well |
| [02:25:33] | Shadow__X: | lol |
| [02:25:39] | iamlindoro: | You're right! |
| [02:25:47] | iamlindoro: | I'm also ruggedly handsome |
| [02:26:25] | Shadow__X: | today i found out that aslong as you go through enough with a dell laptop and max out your options for warranty coverage they will eventually replace your laptop with a new one |
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| [02:30:45] | iamlindoro: | sounds fun |
| [02:31:20] | Shadow__X: | i just wanted a working laptop so i think the new one will tide me over until i have money for a mb |
| [02:31:21] | Shadow__X: | :) |
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| [02:33:13] | mycosys: | me again lol. utterly puzzled http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1495364 mythbackend isnt starting from the init script, database is pingable when it starts, run the init script from a console (sudo) and it is just fine. thinkin permissions – but .... cant see anything that shoudl kill it? any ideas? |
| [02:34:04] | iamlindoro: | network manager strikes again |
| [02:34:22] | mycosys: | ? |
| [02:35:03] | mycosys: | iamlindoro: that directed at me? if so, expansion on that would be much appreciated |
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| [02:35:39] | Shadow__X: | network manager ruins lives |
| [02:36:52] | mycosys: | good to know – would love to have a little pointer on a way to debug this tho – how it may be ruining my life for instance? |
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| [02:37:18] | mycosys: | preferably a way from the console |
| [02:37:30] | ** Shadow__X chuckles ** | |
| [02:38:19] | ** mycosys thinks chuckling doesnt help anyone much ** | |
| [02:38:55] | pllb: | Ok so I got the digital portion of wintv hvr 950q to work but i have dev/video0 entry so would this work for analog cable box? |
| [02:39:11] | mycosys: | any reason WHY you have pointed out network manager? what in my situation points you to this? |
| [02:40:00] | wagnerrp: | newer builds of ubuntu do not start up the network until you get into the GUI and run the network manager applet |
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| [02:40:18] | wagnerrp: | mythtv is set to use a network accessible IP that does not exist |
| [02:40:22] | wagnerrp: | so so it refuses to run |
| [02:40:36] | wagnerrp: | once you boot the system, and networkmanager configures the network, everything works just fine |
| [02:40:45] | larzen: | iamlindoro: well the funny thing with the card is my signal is too strong it seems |
| [02:40:58] | larzen: | and apparently the samsung tuners are very sensitive to this |
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| [02:41:39] | Shadow__X: | larzen, starve your signal for a few days that should fix the problem |
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| [02:42:17] | mycosys: | thank you so much wagnerrp – urs and superm1's names are burned in my mind as super helpful here – from my attempts at knoppmyth a couple years back thru to now. u rock. would u recommend ditching network manager for good ol if? |
| [02:42:22] | larzen: | Shadow__X: oh yeah? how do i do that =) ? |
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| [02:42:43] | Shadow__X: | mycosys, most people recommend ditching it |
| [02:42:51] | Shadow__X: | hard code your ip |
| [02:43:00] | Shadow__X: | as your ip's should be static |
| [02:43:10] | mycosys: | ifup? or is there somethign more modern? |
| [02:43:20] | mycosys: | yup – configured static at router |
| [02:43:58] | wagnerrp: | you have to disable networkmanager, and then tweak your init scripts to call dhclient, or dhcpcd, or dhcpbd, or whatever ubuntu uses directly |
| [02:45:36] | larzen: | do you know how to tell what model of card i have – type a,b,c ? |
| [02:45:39] | wagnerrp: | now how to go about doing that... i couldnt say |
| [02:45:46] | wagnerrp: | ive never used ubuntu |
| [02:45:54] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, couldnt he edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| [02:46:36] | Shadow__X: | mycosys, you can follow this |
| [02:46:37] | Shadow__X: | http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-set-a-static . . . id-ibex.html |
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| [02:47:08] | mycosys: | tysm – has been an age since i admined and configured a server properly |
| [02:47:43] | mycosys: | an once it is done – well they go years without needin it again lol |
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| [02:47:54] | larzen: | soooo.... if i have two pvr-150s – they should work fine in linux? |
| [02:47:57] | wagnerrp: | is mythbuntu set up to configure that automatically yet? |
| [02:48:20] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, static ip's? |
| [02:48:30] | wagnerrp: | yeah |
| [02:48:45] | Shadow__X: | not that i have noticed but i havnt used the newest version yet |
| [02:48:47] | wagnerrp: | either statically, or through dhcp |
| [02:48:59] | Shadow__X: | dhcp has always worked for me |
| [02:49:14] | Shadow__X: | and only have had minor and infrequent hiccups with network manager |
| [02:50:29] | wagnerrp: | networkmanager will work fine for a frontend... assuming you use a desktop manager with applet support |
| [02:50:44] | Shadow__X: | i meant on backends |
| [02:50:58] | wagnerrp: | do you have networked frontends? |
| [02:51:06] | wagnerrp: | or an HDHR? |
| [02:51:09] | mycosys: | me? |
| [02:51:22] | Shadow__X: | yes i have networked frontends |
| [02:51:25] | Shadow__X: | no hdhr |
| [02:51:41] | mycosys: | trying to lol – even attempting win32 compile (connects, playback blows) |
| [02:51:50] | Shadow__X: | i have everything static on router sometimes i forget to put it static on the machine itself and it has worked |
| [02:51:50] | wagnerrp: | huh... i would have figured those would not worked if the network was not set up when mythbackend started |
| [02:52:27] | Shadow__X: | mycosys, i have used the win32 build all i can say is buggy buggy buggy also not the best representation of what mythtv should be |
| [02:52:58] | mycosys: | yah – very tru – tho apparently the build script was just updated – have yet to try it |
| [02:53:21] | Shadow__X: | also menus dont get drawn so once you open up the fe and see the time show up you have to move through the menu to see the options |
| [02:53:24] | mycosys: | the old build worked – btu anything i try to play gets lil loops in playback every second or so |
| [02:53:43] | Shadow__X: | mycosys, my build did play back perfectly fine |
| [02:53:54] | larzen: | Ivtv developers have noted that the Samsung tuners used in later PVR 500s are rather sensitive and will show a grainy picture if supplied with too high a signal level. In this case you must reduce signal strength by either inserting a 'pad' |
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| [02:54:10] | mycosys: | good to hear – maybe an athlox x2 5200 is just not enough to decode without dxva? |
| [02:54:18] | larzen: | that is exactly my problem |
| [02:54:23] | wagnerrp: | what are you trying to decode? |
| [02:54:32] | mycosys: | mp2 575i |
| [02:54:47] | wagnerrp: | should not be a problem |
| [02:54:49] | mycosys: | vlc plays the same files just fine over mythweb |
| [02:55:02] | Shadow__X: | mycosys, my c2d 2.16 with a x1400 would play hd fine in windows using the windows fe build but again it isnt supported here |
| [02:55:05] | larzen: | iamlindoro: see my previous paste – this is exactly my problem as I actually have an amplifier that i plugged in – and the picture got even worse! |
| [02:55:20] | mycosys: | still fun to hack at tho lol |
| [02:55:29] | Shadow__X: | i can only speak of my experience and even then very lightly because soon i will get the stink eye by the elders |
| [02:55:34] | iamlindoro: | larzen, Why not buy a 25 cent attenuator then? |
| [02:55:46] | wagnerrp: | an x2 5200 should play anything up to maybe 10mbps h.264/core |
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| [02:56:23] | Shadow__X: | i extremely dislike people who complain when their signal is too strong i have had to complain to my cable company because mine is too weak |
| [02:56:38] | larzen: | iamlindoro: – where do you buy these? |
| [02:56:44] | iamlindoro: | radio shack |
| [02:57:07] | iamlindoro: | you can probably even buy a variable attenuator |
| [02:57:33] | ** mycosys has had signals needing attenuation on broadcast ** | |
| [03:00:42] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: i was under the impression a number of those 'feature requests' were simply left there to prevent them being asked again |
| [03:00:55] | wagnerrp: | especially things like the one for rar file playback |
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| [03:01:33] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, I asked if anyone minded, nobody seemed to, if that's the intention it's never beed stated |
| [03:01:40] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [03:02:00] | iamlindoro: | s/beed/been/ |
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| [03:02:52] | larzen: | iamlindoro: how did you search for those pvr-150s on ebay? |
| [03:02:59] | larzen: | i looked here and did not see those |
| [03:03:17] | ** Shadow__X blinks ** | |
| [03:03:24] | iamlindoro: | larzen, just searched pvr-150 |
| [03:03:40] | Shadow__X: | no fancy search parameters you say |
| [03:03:41] | Shadow__X: | ? |
| [03:03:55] | Shadow__X: | (scratches head) how is this possible |
| [03:04:41] | larzen: | iamlindoro: ohh i see... ebay.ca = not showing all items! |
| [03:05:19] | mycosys: | should try .au sometime lol |
| [03:08:10] | larzen: | iamlindoro: how would i tell which card is the A, B or C ? |
| [03:08:47] | iamlindoro: | you mean of those on ebay? |
| [03:09:11] | iamlindoro: | I dunno, how can I tell the weather in nepal? |
| [03:09:44] | Shadow__X: | lmgtfy? |
| [03:10:19] | iamlindoro: | point being, there's not going to be a way to figure out the model outside of asking someone to read the chips |
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| [03:11:14] | iamlindoro: | And since I continue to stress that the tuner makes *no* difference when you're not overloading it with signal, maybe you should ask someone *else* how you get the information that I keep arguing is irrelevant |
| [03:12:12] | larzen: | iamlindoro: I am going to get a signal attenuator from radio shack and see how it does =) |
| [03:12:25] | Shadow__X: | larzen, attenuator install problem still there moar attenuator till fixed |
| [03:12:52] | larzen: | yep...=) that is my next step |
| [03:13:02] | Shadow__X: | no moar asky then |
| [03:13:41] | larzen: | ok.. quick question...besides mythtv... are there any other programs that i can used to schedule recordings that will dump them out in mpg or even h264 format? |
| [03:14:04] | larzen: | on the front-end, I have XBMC – and its interface with myth is poor |
| [03:14:22] | Shadow__X: | or is xbmc poor |
| [03:14:43] | larzen: | yes.. thats what I am saying |
| [03:14:51] | larzen: | it doesnt support myth nicely |
| [03:14:55] | Shadow__X: | (those are Shadow__X opinions and do not represent those of mythtv and or their devs) |
| [03:15:34] | larzen: | maybe i should be using the myth front end... but I wish there was a cleaner/easier way to schedule recordings... =( |
| [03:15:56] | Shadow__X: | mythweb you nincompoop |
| [03:16:13] | Shadow__X: | awesome spelled right first try |
| [03:16:22] | larzen: | yes, that is what I use now |
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| [03:16:33] | larzen: | then I watch the mpg through xbmc |
| [03:16:44] | Shadow__X: | larzen, if you want better then make it better |
| [03:16:46] | larzen: | but there are problems with this setup...i.e. no commercial skipping...etc. |
| [03:17:06] | larzen: | are there any new builds of mythtv coming out in the next little whil? |
| [03:17:07] | Shadow__X: | i personally use mythtv fe and i like it |
| [03:17:24] | larzen: | someone at one point mentioned 0.22x |
| [03:17:33] | Shadow__X: | there isnt a definite release date for .22 yet |
| [03:17:39] | Shadow__X: | it will come out eventually |
| [03:17:44] | iamlindoro: | soon, even |
| [03:17:50] | Shadow__X: | eventually soon? |
| [03:17:56] | iamlindoro: | real soon soon |
| [03:17:56] | Shadow__X: | i like the sound of that |
| [03:18:23] | ** iamlindoro hears Graphite makes you more attractive to the opposite sex ** | |
| [03:18:40] | larzen: | what is graphite |
| [03:18:41] | larzen: | ? |
| [03:18:49] | ** Shadow__X hears someones ego growing to enormous levels ** | |
| [03:19:00] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/Graphite/Home.html |
| [03:19:31] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro, have you used it successfully to get the opposite sex yet |
| [03:19:35] | larzen: | wait... mythtv 0.22 ? |
| [03:19:47] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, I don't need the crutch |
| [03:20:40] | iamlindoro: | larzen, 0.22 will be the next version of myth |
| [03:20:52] | larzen: | oh... so i presume its quite stable if they made a skin for it =) |
| [03:21:02] | iamlindoro: | theme, not skin |
| [03:21:11] | iamlindoro: | and anyone can write a theme, regardless of trunk's stability |
| [03:21:12] | larzen: | i meant theme =) |
| [03:21:22] | larzen: | iamlindoro: do you run this build? |
| [03:21:27] | iamlindoro: | what build? |
| [03:21:36] | larzen: | 0.22 – build? |
| [03:21:40] | iamlindoro: | trunk |
| [03:21:41] | iamlindoro: | and yes |
| [03:21:48] | larzen: | reasonably stable? |
| [03:21:51] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [03:21:54] | ** xris still wants theme-protocol-version code added. ** | |
| [03:22:23] | iamlindoro: | xris, Yeah, that would be good-- though Ideally going forward .22+ themes should work okay |
| [03:22:33] | iamlindoro: | though .23 themes will obviously have more candy |
| [03:22:45] | larzen: | are there any milestone builds? |
| [03:22:48] | iamlindoro: | larzen, no |
| [03:23:03] | larzen: | so this is really just the early stage of 0.22 ? |
| [03:23:16] | iamlindoro: | no, .22 will be out in the next few months |
| [03:23:20] | iamlindoro: | it's the home stretch |
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| [03:23:47] | larzen: | and its still not very stable? |
| [03:24:00] | iamlindoro: | Not if you expect it to be as stable as .21 |
| [03:24:14] | iamlindoro: | releases are preceded by feature freeze and major period of bug smashing |
| [03:24:17] | iamlindoro: | .22 has not had that yet |
| [03:24:46] | larzen: | iamlindoro: and there is no way to run it in parallel? |
| [03:24:53] | iamlindoro: | *all* myth releases are unstable in the run up to their completion, they only become stable during a period of everyone working together to smash bugs |
| [03:25:14] | iamlindoro: | larzen, Not in any way I would call "safe" |
| [03:25:14] | iamlindoro: | you could put it on a totally seperate machine |
| [03:25:34] | iamlindoro: | but with it coming in the very near future, I advise everyone who's not involved in developing for myth to just be patient a little longer |
| [03:25:57] | larzen: | right. Well... i think given that I work for a web/software agency... I am sure we can crank out some updates to MythWeb that are purddy |
| [03:26:04] | jblack: | patient? what for? current is already great! |
| [03:26:39] | larzen: | seems that mythweb really needs some UI love |
| [03:26:40] | xris: | larzen: that implies that the mythweb developers have time to apply the changes. :) |
| [03:26:51] | iamlindoro: | I rather like Mythweb's UI quite a lot |
| [03:27:02] | xris: | (which we might do if some cool theme work were put forth) |
| [03:27:13] | ** wagnerrp now hates Warehouse 13 ** | |
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| [03:27:19] | kormoc: | It's not that we can't do pretty, it's the lack of time ;) |
| [03:27:20] | xris: | the biggest problem is dealing with the number of LOUD users who complain every time we try to do something web-2.0-ish |
| [03:27:44] | larzen: | isnt that what themes are for? |
| [03:27:47] | ** xris assumes that people would rather he work on keeping SD providing listings than make mythweb pretty ** | |
| [03:27:48] | ** iamlindoro punches xris in the jaw for breaking links support ** | |
| [03:27:57] | xris: | iamlindoro: that was kormoc! |
| [03:28:02] | wagnerrp: | they played some song during tonight's show, that reminded me of something else ive heard before |
| [03:28:05] | iamlindoro: | then you punch him! |
| [03:28:08] | xris: | I haven't really done any commits at all in like 2 years. :) |
| [03:28:14] | kormoc: | There will be happy happy joy joy with -trunk! |
| [03:28:19] | kormoc: | COOKIE BASED THEMES! |
| [03:28:25] | jblack: | who gripes about that? konqueror users? |
| [03:28:31] | wagnerrp: | so now its just going to keep repeating in my head ad infinatum until i figure out what it is |
| [03:28:32] | kormoc: | No more using lynx breaks firefox and the like! |
| [03:29:01] | larzen: | i was thinking .NET =) |
| [03:29:04] | jblack: | wow, I thought I was the last lynx user (and I gave it up in '07) |
| [03:29:06] | larzen: | mythweb.... mono-style =) |
| [03:29:07] | kormoc: | oh lord |
| [03:29:08] | ** iamlindoro hopes you are kidding ** | |
| [03:29:46] | wagnerrp: | mythweb.... now with more mono! |
| [03:29:52] | wagnerrp: | has someone been kissing their browser again? |
| [03:29:59] | Dagmar: | Wish me luck this evening. I'm wearing my cop attracting shirt to Harry Potter |
| [03:30:16] | kormoc: | Dagmar, G'Luck! |
| [03:30:20] | Dagmar: | Something about a pirate skull and crossbones really makes them edgy nowadays |
| [03:30:35] | wagnerrp: | my grandma has one of those shirts! |
| [03:30:47] | Dagmar: | Your grandma must be very cool. |
| [03:30:56] | Dagmar: | ...or she has no idea how to work ecommerce sites. :) |
| [03:31:16] | wagnerrp: | nah... has to do with a certain pirate, one with scissors for hands |
| [03:32:21] | larzen: | i guess i can use myth through VNC =) |
| [03:32:29] | larzen: | i don't actually have a physical monitor at that PC |
| [03:32:32] | Dagmar: | You can, but the performance will suck |
| [03:32:51] | larzen: | and VNC is having some issues with the latest Xorg |
| [03:33:32] | larzen: | RandR extension missing on display 1:0 errors |
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| [03:41:13] | ** wagnerrp has found the bit of music that has been rigging through his mind ** | |
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| [03:41:30] | ** wagnerrp realizes that it sounds nothing like the original song that triggered the memory ** | |
| [03:41:51] | ** iamlindoro wonders what the plans are for MythMusic for the release ** | |
| [03:42:22] | wagnerrp: | its amazing how you can recognize a song based off one matching note |
| [03:42:33] | wagnerrp: | (if perhaps incorrectly) |
| [03:44:52] | iamlindoro: | Did wrestling run 8 minutes late for you? |
| [03:45:19] | wagnerrp: | on SyFy? |
| [03:45:52] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [03:46:05] | wagnerrp: | no, timed perfectly |
| [03:46:05] | iamlindoro: | actually, scratch that, I'm sure it did |
| [03:46:13] | iamlindoro: | hmm, that's odd, we should be on the same feed |
| [03:46:46] | wagnerrp: | if its live, wrestling could come on after the shows, and thus not screw me up |
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| [03:47:07] | wagnerrp: | no, recording was an hour, plus 29s |
| [03:47:26] | wagnerrp: | the show started 27 seconds into the recording, and the credits ended 3 seconds before the end |
| [03:47:58] | wagnerrp: | looks like wrestling started just after, so scheduled at 10pm here |
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| [03:48:17] | iamlindoro: | hm |
| [03:48:53] | Shadow__X: | i want to be a part of all the trunk bug smashing |
| [03:48:59] | Shadow__X: | took me a while to read back |
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| [03:51:06] | iamlindoro: | so start a-fixin' |
| [03:51:12] | iamlindoro: | and a-patch-submittin' |
| [03:51:34] | Shadow__X: | :) |
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| [03:58:08] | mycosys: | on the remote x tack – how would mythfrontend go over a remote x connection over ssh tunnel? |
| [04:00:13] | mycosys: | wagnerrp: Shadow__X: thank you so much – all is well, mostly lol |
| [04:00:21] | Shadow__X: | yup |
| [04:00:33] | wagnerrp: | mycosys: the frontend would run just fine |
| [04:00:56] | wagnerrp: | video would work more or less... depending on the capabilities of your X server, and the resolution of the video stream |
| [04:01:00] | mycosys: | network audio device? |
| [04:01:25] | wagnerrp: | audio would not work unless you manually set up an audio server, like esound or pulseaudio (and mythtv does not like pulseaudio) |
| [04:02:22] | wagnerrp: | ive run mplayer over the network before, onto a machine with a gigabit NIC and a processor incapable of doing the decoding on its own |
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| [04:11:07] | wagnerrp: | i would like to know how amazon does its recommendations |
| [04:11:38] | wagnerrp: | they recommended the SG:A Complete Series, because ive 'shown an interest in stargate-related items' |
| [04:11:56] | wagnerrp: | i dont know of any stargate-related material i have ever bought off amazon or its affiliates |
| [04:13:48] | ** mycosys regrets the passing of the unix 'file is a file, who cares where or what it is' ethos ** | |
| [04:14:15] | wagnerrp: | aside from /dev nodes, that is not still the case? |
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| [04:14:15] | mycosys: | iirc doesnt jack support unit style passing of the stream over a network> |
| [04:14:54] | mycosys: | that is caring WHAT it is tho |
| [04:15:02] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, amazon screen scrapes your thoughts |
| [04:15:08] | Shadow__X: | patented design |
| [04:15:08] | thedarkone: | whatz a good hard drive |
| [04:15:13] | thedarkone: | to get |
| [04:15:21] | mycosys: | for what? |
| [04:15:23] | wagnerrp: | thedarkone: check out FusionIO |
| [04:15:46] | thedarkone: | i will |
| [04:15:55] | mycosys: | what is the HDD for? internal or external? interface? |
| [04:16:00] | thedarkone: | this 1.5 tb is a hunk of junk |
| [04:16:06] | mycosys: | what is it? |
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| [04:16:36] | thedarkone: | seagate |
| [04:16:50] | mycosys: | lot of people saying that of late :( |
| [04:16:52] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the 7200.11s are pretty much crap |
| [04:17:04] | mycosys: | 7200.10 is slow, but good |
| [04:17:04] | wagnerrp: | the original firmware was horribly bugged |
| [04:17:16] | wagnerrp: | they seem to work fine with the newer firmwares |
| [04:17:29] | mycosys: | for a media drive, WD Caviar Green seem to be a good buy |
| [04:17:30] | wagnerrp: | but people are not quick to return trust after being burned that badly |
| [04:17:54] | wagnerrp: | WD and Samsung have never done me wrong |
| [04:18:19] | thedarkone: | this is 4th time i have to reinstall linux on same drive |
| [04:18:39] | mycosys: | but really – what the drive is doing dictates what is best |
| [04:18:47] | wagnerrp: | what does having to reinstall have to do with the quality of the drive? |
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| [04:19:08] | wagnerrp: | unless its dropping sectors (and data) like mad |
| [04:19:44] | mycosys: | in which case seagate RMA actually seems to be pretty good, at least in au |
| [04:19:44] | thedarkone: | well seagate said drive is fine |
| [04:20:10] | wagnerrp: | thats right, seagate has no control over you hosing up your linux install |
| [04:20:13] | mycosys: | what is the actual symptom causing you to ri-install? |
| [04:20:21] | thedarkone: | but then again it would be fine for 2 weeks then i install dgen then os is gone |
| [04:20:31] | thedarkone: | missing os |
| [04:20:46] | wagnerrp: | missing os? |
| [04:20:51] | thedarkone: | all files gone |
| [04:20:58] | thedarkone: | no were to be found |
| [04:21:01] | wagnerrp: | do you have windows installed on the same drive |
| [04:21:05] | thedarkone: | etc gone |
| [04:21:06] | wagnerrp: | and theyre having MBR fights? |
| [04:21:18] | thedarkone: | no windows |
| [04:21:24] | thedarkone: | just ubuntu |
| [04:21:34] | wagnerrp: | grub pulling on windows bootstraps? |
| [04:21:49] | thedarkone: | no windows on it |
| [04:22:05] | thedarkone: | it was fresh out of box linux |
| [04:22:08] | mycosys: | if it happens again – see what testdisk says |
| [04:22:08] | wagnerrp: | been doing some sleep fdisking? |
| [04:22:30] | thedarkone: | hmm |
| [04:23:08] | thedarkone: | it was fine till 10 mins ago |
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| [04:23:25] | thedarkone: | rebooted to install dvi to hdmi |
| [04:23:28] | mycosys: | get a livecd with testdisk on it |
| [04:23:31] | thedarkone: | then no os |
| [04:23:37] | thedarkone: | i did |
| [04:23:45] | mycosys: | didnt find ANYTHING? |
| [04:23:46] | thedarkone: | i on a live cd |
| [04:23:55] | thedarkone: | mounted drives |
| [04:24:03] | thedarkone: | and well no files |
| [04:24:07] | wagnerrp: | you could mount the file system, and there were no files? |
| [04:24:07] | thedarkone: | on whole drive |
| [04:24:26] | thedarkone: | not one |
| [04:24:35] | mycosys: | only one patition? |
| [04:24:44] | wagnerrp: | you didnt have to fsck the partition first? the FS mounted cleanly on the first try? |
| [04:25:01] | thedarkone: | mounted clean |
| [04:25:21] | mycosys: | no way on earth that is the fault of the drive dude |
| [04:25:21] | thedarkone: | like drive was formated |
| [04:25:52] | mycosys: | mbr and partition info is still there – something has hosed the filesystem |
| [04:25:57] | wagnerrp: | unless the seagate drive was repeatedly failing in just the right bit locations so as to remove all record of the files located within |
| [04:26:02] | wagnerrp: | you are doing something wrong |
| [04:26:20] | thedarkone: | hmm |
| [04:26:23] | wagnerrp: | something like an 'rm -rf /' called at the end of the shutdown script |
| [04:26:29] | mycosys: | really impressively wrong tho – if that is any consolation |
| [04:26:49] | thedarkone: | never gets shutdown |
| [04:26:58] | thedarkone: | it a decated box |
| [04:27:09] | wagnerrp: | you said you restarted it, and when it came back, you had no files |
| [04:27:13] | thedarkone: | i had on that drive 500 dvds |
| [04:27:26] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [04:27:26] | mycosys: | (2009-07–15 14:23:19) thedarkone: rebooted to install dvi to hdmi |
| [04:27:31] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [04:27:33] | wagnerrp: | so you shut down |
| [04:27:36] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [04:27:44] | wagnerrp: | you just said it never gets shut down |
| [04:27:44] | thedarkone: | sudo reboot |
| [04:27:59] | thedarkone: | well first time to install dvi to hdmi |
| [04:28:23] | thedarkone: | maybe i should of never put that on |
| [04:28:26] | mycosys: | shouldnt need a reboot for that, but ok |
| [04:29:01] | wagnerrp: | mycosys: but how else are you going to restart X??? ... :P |
| [04:29:07] | thedarkone: | well i shouldn't say reboot i should say shut down completely |
| [04:29:20] | wagnerrp: | its the same thing, linux is no longer running |
| [04:29:22] | thedarkone: | i mean power down |
| [04:29:35] | wagnerrp: | one just means the bios cuts power |
| [04:30:06] | thedarkone: | i guess i lost 500 dvds again |
| [04:30:13] | wagnerrp: | again? |
| [04:30:44] | thedarkone: | yeap |
| [04:30:47] | thedarkone: | again |
| [04:31:04] | thedarkone: | 4th time this has happened on same drive |
| [04:31:08] | mycosys: | wagnerrp – lol |
| [04:31:11] | wagnerrp: | and you didnt think to take precautions against it |
| [04:31:17] | mycosys: | like backup? |
| [04:31:32] | thedarkone: | i have all dvds on hard disk |
| [04:31:32] | wagnerrp: | like figure out what youre doing that is causing a reformat? |
| [04:31:59] | thedarkone: | i am doing nothing to format it |
| [04:32:15] | wagnerrp: | apparently you are, because there is NO way a drive failure could do what you claim |
| [04:32:35] | thedarkone: | this all i do i have a script goes out and gets newest trunk then compiles it |
| [04:33:03] | thedarkone: | that is it |
| [04:33:14] | wagnerrp: | the odds of it happening four times would cause me to get k-lined due to flooding from all the zeroes if i tried to paste it into here |
| [04:33:21] | thedarkone: | only thing i did today was apt-get install dgen |
| [04:33:44] | mycosys: | when did you last reboot before that? |
| [04:33:57] | mycosys: | what repo is it coming from? |
| [04:34:08] | thedarkone: | from svn |
| [04:34:13] | wagnerrp: | ... |
| [04:34:17] | mycosys: | lol |
| [04:34:22] | thedarkone: | 20906 |
| [04:34:26] | wagnerrp: | that answer means you should not be running trunk |
| [04:34:48] | thedarkone: | i think it damn drive |
| [04:35:11] | mycosys: | !=drive |
| [04:35:25] | wagnerrp: | an empty file system cannot be caused by a failing drive |
| [04:35:37] | wagnerrp: | at most, a failing drive could wipe out your file table |
| [04:35:56] | wagnerrp: | in which case you would have to fsck, and the fsck would wipe out your files |
| [04:36:07] | wagnerrp: | but since it mounted cleanly, that is not what happened |
| [04:36:08] | thedarkone: | would it cause to lose partion table |
| [04:36:16] | mycosys: | 2 copies – with a clean fsck, and part and mbr fine – nup |
| [04:36:17] | wagnerrp: | but you said you mounted the file system |
| [04:36:33] | wagnerrp: | if you mounted the file system, your partition table is intact |
| [04:36:47] | thedarkone: | when i do fdisk -l |
| [04:36:51] | thedarkone: | i get this |
| [04:36:53] | wagnerrp: | and your superblocks and tables and whatnot are all intact |
| [04:36:54] | thedarkone: | Disk /dev/sdb: 1000.2 GB, 1000204886016 bytes |
| [04:36:54] | thedarkone: | 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 121601 cylinders |
| [04:36:54] | thedarkone: | Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes |
| [04:36:54] | thedarkone: | Disk identifier: 0x00030dbd |
| [04:36:54] | thedarkone: | Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System |
| [04:37:00] | thedarkone: | that it |
| [04:37:08] | wagnerrp: | thats a 1TB drive, not a 1.5 |
| [04:37:31] | kormoc: | also, don't flood the channel |
| [04:37:41] | wagnerrp: | two lines of pasting maximum |
| [04:37:48] | mycosys: | !paste |
| [04:37:49] | thedarkone: | ok |
| [04:38:02] | wagnerrp: | how did you mount a file system, from a disk with no partitions? |
| [04:38:02] | thedarkone: | !paste |
| [04:38:23] | kormoc: | mount /dev/sda /mnt/point? |
| [04:38:26] | wagnerrp: | youre not running that drive dedicated are you? |
| [04:38:37] | wagnerrp: | i.e.: partitionless |
| [04:38:39] | mycosys: | no bot? |
| [04:38:41] | mycosys: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/ |
| [04:38:50] | thedarkone: | mount /dev/sdb /media |
| [04:38:52] | kormoc: | mycosys, no chatty bots |
| [04:39:20] | mycosys: | nice bots save so much typing lol |
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| [04:39:43] | wagnerrp: | thedarkone: running without partitions is something sometimes called 'dangerously dedicated' |
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| [04:39:48] | kormoc: | mycosys, it's linked in the channel topic |
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| [04:39:52] | wagnerrp: | you are running WITH NO partition table |
| [04:40:21] | mycosys: | how on earth is that even possible? |
| [04:40:28] | wagnerrp: | many tools expect that you have a partition table, and if you dont, things get flakey |
| [04:40:30] | kormoc: | why wouldn't it be? |
| [04:40:45] | wagnerrp: | such as spuriously wiping out your file system |
| [04:40:46] | kormoc: | it's quite common with removal devices, floppies, cdroms, etc |
| [04:40:53] | kormoc: | a partition table is never required |
| [04:40:54] | mycosys: | true |
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| [04:41:18] | mycosys: | just...... would think grub or something would give you a sanity check |
| [04:41:27] | wagnerrp: | although its usually fine for secondary disks |
| [04:41:31] | thedarkone: | well there was a partion table before |
| [04:41:46] | thedarkone: | i rebooted |
| [04:41:50] | kormoc: | tools are designed for their purpose, partition tables are unrelated to that purpose |
| [04:42:04] | kormoc: | thedarkone, it's doubtful there was, else you couldn't mount it as you are |
| [04:42:24] | kormoc: | as your superblocks would be offset by 512 bytes |
| [04:42:39] | thedarkone: | i have fstab file still |
| [04:42:59] | J-e-f-f-A: | try running testdisk on it? |
| [04:43:08] | wagnerrp: | but even that wouldnt explain why you ended up with a perfectly clean, yet empty file system |
| [04:43:27] | wagnerrp: | the only way that could happen would be for you to delete all the files, or create a new file system |
| [04:44:18] | thedarkone: | i had it like this /dev/sdb1 / ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| [04:44:26] | thedarkone: | in fstab |
| [04:44:58] | thedarkone: | so ur telling me when i installed ubuntu and used guided that was wrong |
| [04:45:27] | kormoc: | Some people might say you went wrong at installing ubuntu ;P |
| [04:45:50] | thedarkone: | lol |
| [04:46:01] | thedarkone: | so what one is better distro |
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| [04:46:26] | thedarkone: | don't tell me forda |
| [04:46:34] | iamlindoro: | forda! |
| [04:47:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | cheva |
| [04:47:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | pontiaca |
| [04:47:21] | iamlindoro: | kia...a |
| [04:47:34] | thedarkone: | fedora |
| [04:47:35] | wagnerrp: | porsche-a |
| [04:47:36] | thedarkone: | lol |
| [04:47:40] | ** J-e-f-f-A like fedora... ;-) ** | |
| [04:47:59] | wagnerrp: | say it right now... porsche-a |
| [04:48:11] | iamlindoro: | we got it the first time |
| [04:48:20] | wagnerrp: | porsche... a |
| [04:48:24] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [04:48:27] | thedarkone: | i tried breezy /lenny/sid/ubuntu hardy /jack |
| [04:48:28] | iamlindoro: | understood |
| [04:48:49] | wagnerrp: | beep beep |
| [04:49:10] | thedarkone: | i used to work on porsche years ago |
| [04:49:21] | J-e-f-f-A: | ooh, nash ramblera? ;-) |
| [04:49:48] | thedarkone: | lol |
| [04:50:02] | thedarkone: | a buddy of mine owned 4 911's |
| [04:50:23] | wagnerrp: | deloreana... thats the feminine version, styled for marty's girlfriend |
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| [04:51:02] | wagnerrp: | what was the ill fated 'dell for women' site called? |
| [04:51:08] | iamlindoro: | della |
| [04:51:16] | wagnerrp: | well... there you go! |
| [04:51:21] | thedarkone: | well i liked his he had a 1963/64/68/72 |
| [04:52:31] | thedarkone: | personal i like american muscle car |
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| [04:56:06] | thedarkone: | hey jeffa u like pontica |
| [04:56:25] | wagnerrp: | hahaha... didnt even catch that one, jeffa |
| [04:57:43] | ** kormoc misses Pontiac ** | |
| [04:57:58] | ** wagnerrp drives a Pontiac ** | |
| [04:58:31] | ** kormoc does as well ** | |
| [04:58:45] | thedarkone: | i still have mine |
| [04:59:02] | thedarkone: | i have a rare one |
| [05:01:58] | kormoc: | I just don't know what I'll do, I'm such a one brand man... |
| [05:02:33] | thedarkone: | what kinda pontica u have kormoc |
| [05:02:38] | wagnerrp: | buy up a couple solstices, and use them for spare parts against each other? |
| [05:03:15] | kormoc: | 2007 G6 Convertible, 3.9L v6 |
| [05:03:23] | thedarkone: | nice |
| [05:03:27] | kormoc: | Solstices sucked :P |
| [05:03:43] | thedarkone: | i race yah sometime |
| [05:03:53] | wagnerrp: | my dad has one, i dont care too much for the interior |
| [05:04:03] | kormoc: | I love it |
| [05:04:04] | Shadow__X: | i like my saturn |
| [05:04:05] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [05:04:18] | Shadow__X: | kormoc, i agree i drove afew they felt weird |
| [05:06:17] | kormoc: | I still owe $20k on mine :( |
| [05:06:35] | thedarkone: | lol |
| [05:07:29] | Shadow__X: | kormoc, manual or auto also i am sure with your mysql cert and all that you bring in the big bucks |
| [05:07:42] | kormoc: | Manualmatic (both) |
| [05:08:23] | Shadow__X: | but but no clutch |
| [05:08:27] | kormoc: | right |
| [05:08:28] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: some sort of robo-clutch? an SMG? or an automatic with paddle shifters? |
| [05:08:52] | Shadow__X: | you probably what push the shifter to the side and itll shift right |
| [05:09:02] | kormoc: | Basically auto + paddles but the paddles are in the center |
| [05:09:23] | thedarkone: | i seen that on a saturn |
| [05:09:36] | Shadow__X: | i have good ol manual on my saturn |
| [05:09:56] | thedarkone: | i like good ole manual |
| [05:10:04] | kormoc: | http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/200605/ . . . 3_460x0w.jpg |
| [05:10:23] | thedarkone: | try 5 speed m22 |
| [05:10:24] | kormoc: | When you shift down, it slides to the right into basically paddle shift mode, up is up down is down |
| [05:10:26] | wagnerrp: | thats getting common in newer cars, gives drives the illusion of control, but they dont actually have to work at it like a manual |
| [05:10:38] | kormoc: | I'm too lazy |
| [05:10:45] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [05:10:53] | kormoc: | If I had two cars, one would be auto, one manual, but I only own one |
| [05:11:16] | thedarkone: | how fast is it anyway kormoc |
| [05:11:31] | thedarkone: | top speed |
| [05:11:42] | kormoc: | I've taken her to around 135, and she had some fair range left in her |
| [05:11:45] | wagnerrp: | i like the roboclutch my friend's M3 has |
| [05:12:00] | wagnerrp: | it will shift automatically if you want, but its a full manual |
| [05:12:19] | wagnerrp: | with all the responsiveness that comes with one |
| [05:12:28] | thedarkone: | nice 135 mine does that in 3rd gear |
| [05:13:06] | kormoc: | She wasn't made for that fast, she got really light |
| [05:13:28] | thedarkone: | nice |
| [05:13:46] | thedarkone: | one i have is made for speed |
| [05:13:52] | thedarkone: | 400/4 |
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| [05:15:16] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp, he pays for it in that car through price and the fact he is driving an m3 |
| [05:15:17] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [05:15:49] | wagnerrp: | well he bought it used, i think for $25k |
| [05:16:08] | wagnerrp: | and he said his insurance rates only went up $15/yr from his old impreza |
| [05:16:08] | Shadow__X: | atleast he didnt buy it new |
| [05:16:53] | thedarkone: | m3 are somewhat nice |
| [05:17:08] | Shadow__X: | i like the 09 cts v personally |
| [05:18:18] | thedarkone: | well shadow__x they do have a nice frontend but don't like backends of it |
| [05:18:36] | Shadow__X: | i like the numbers and how it crushes the competition with an iron fist |
| [05:19:24] | thedarkone: | ya in new school but not ole school |
| [05:21:29] | Shadow__X: | nay there is definitely a difference in the feel of power in a euro car and an american car |
| [05:23:04] | thedarkone: | we should should test that some time |
| [05:23:29] | thedarkone: | put ur euro car against a american muscle car |
| [05:23:40] | Shadow__X: | thedarkone, i used to valet so i got to drive a decent amount of cars i did enjoy a lambo though |
| [05:23:51] | Shadow__X: | thedarkone, i am all for american cars and american muscle |
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| [05:24:03] | Shadow__X: | one of my projects is building a race car |
| [05:24:11] | thedarkone: | what kind |
| [05:24:16] | Shadow__X: | 81 malibu |
| [05:24:24] | thedarkone: | nice |
| [05:24:41] | thedarkone: | i built a 1/4 mile car |
| [05:24:53] | thedarkone: | 1979 corvette |
| [05:25:06] | Shadow__X: | yeah thats whats mine is going to be but i dont know how off topic we can go so we might want to pm |
| [05:25:24] | thedarkone: | well ya |
| [05:25:47] | thedarkone: | my daily car is a 1980 trans am |
| [05:26:08] | wagnerrp: | OT is OT, but no one really cares unless youre making noise when someone is trying to get assistance |
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| [05:59:16] | k-man: | anyone know of a free tool for creating subtitles for a video? |
| [05:59:45] | wagnerrp: | vi |
| [06:01:32] | Shadow__X: | lol type away |
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| [06:02:03] | wagnerrp: | if youre making them from scratch |
| [06:02:22] | wagnerrp: | just open up a text editor, mplayer to get the timecodes, and start typing away |
| [06:02:49] | wagnerrp: | if you want to RIP subtitles from a DVD, you need OCR software to actually read the rendered video |
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| [06:03:12] | k-man: | no, i want to create my own subtitles – not rip them |
| [06:03:15] | k-man: | its for my own video |
| [06:03:21] | k-man: | not video i stole from the internets |
| [06:04:04] | wagnerrp: | video you stole from the internets will either have canned softsubs, or the subtitles will already be hardcoded into the video |
| [06:04:17] | wagnerrp: | the only time you would need to rip them is if you had the actual DVD image |
| [06:04:30] | k-man: | no no – i am creating the subtitles myself |
| [06:04:48] | k-man: | but anyway, you say you just put them in a text file? are there tools to help you do this? |
| [06:04:53] | wagnerrp: | looks like i used subrip under windows last time i had to do that... |
| [06:05:15] | wagnerrp: | as for creating your own... |
| [06:05:23] | wagnerrp: | no, i dont know of any tools to aide with that |
| [06:05:41] | wagnerrp: | but like i said, just open an instance of mplayer to find the timecodes |
| [06:05:47] | k-man: | ok |
| [06:05:54] | wagnerrp: | and then open your favorite text editor |
| [06:06:10] | wagnerrp: | use the .srt format.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SubRip |
| [06:07:21] | wagnerrp: | theres a couple others, that allow more complex formatting and such |
| [06:07:32] | wagnerrp: | but srt is very simple, and rather widely usable |
| [06:07:48] | k-man: | wagnerrp: great, thanks for the advice |
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| [07:03:32] | k-man: | wagnerrp: in case you are interested, VisualSubSync is a pretty nice tool for adding subtitles |
| [07:03:58] | k-man: | win32 though |
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| [07:24:07] | juski: | heh somebody said ****'s interface with mythtv is poor. they must've seen it |
| [07:36:43] | k-man: | ****? |
| [07:38:01] | juski: | yeah **** |
| [07:47:23] | juski: | iamlindoro: your reputation has slipped irreparably now. Donations going to charity? ;-) At least I drank all my profits |
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| [07:50:48] | mycosys: | x-platform subtitle creation and timing tool http://www.aegisub.net/ |
| [07:50:52] | mycosys: | very nice |
| [07:51:30] | juski: | bah just convert the rest of the world to use English |
| [07:51:37] | mycosys: | lol |
| [07:51:56] | mycosys: | what about the deaf? |
| [07:52:23] | mycosys: | hand on a speaker? |
| [07:53:38] | juski: | good point. You win |
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| [08:06:10] | mycosys: | this mean anything to you guys? [14543.378652] dvb-usb: could not submit URB no. 0 – get them all back |
| [08:06:11] | mycosys: | [14543.378664] dvb-usb: error while enabling fifo. |
| [08:07:03] | mycosys: | seems to be the ongoing saga of dib0700 – i think, but am already running 1.20 firmware and mercurial |
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| [08:09:49] | juski: | one for #linuxtv by the looks of it |
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| [08:10:50] | mycosys: | asked there too lol |
| [08:11:09] | juski: | they'd be more likely to know |
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| [08:35:02] | mycosys: | probably already being fixed – but mythweb seems to report 'B' for the size of 0 length recordings, and if the recording group is empty |
| [08:36:10] | juski: | it's not B AFAIK, it's 0B with the 0 taken off ;) |
| [08:36:22] | mycosys: | ahhhh |
| [08:36:52] | juski: | hrm come to think you know,I've got a dib0700 based tuner at home |
| [08:37:02] | juski: | so that's gone from worky to nonworky? GRRR |
| [08:37:02] | mycosys: | which you got? |
| [08:37:09] | mycosys: | check dmesg |
| [08:37:23] | juski: | it's lying in an unused system at the mo |
| [08:37:24] | mycosys: | it seems mainly to be on ati/amd chipsets |
| [08:37:43] | juski: | Avermedia something or other Super007 PCI |
| [08:38:11] | mycosys: | unusual – like the Hauppage nova t-500 eh? usb hub on board? |
| [08:38:16] | juski: | nope |
| [08:38:19] | mycosys: | ? |
| [08:39:02] | juski: | this is it http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=221086 |
| [08:40:15] | juski: | duh, doesn't use dib0700 after all |
| [08:40:22] | juski: | maybe I was thinking of my USB stick tuner |
| [08:40:28] | juski: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMedia_A . . . -T_Super_007 is the PCI card |
| [08:41:27] | mycosys: | appears to be an saa7134? |
| [08:41:39] | mycosys: | http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/AVerMedia_A . . . -T_Super_007 |
| [08:42:04] | juski: | I just said that |
| [08:42:11] | mycosys: | lol missed that |
| [08:42:18] | juski: | I'm sure I have a dibcom piece of crap at home somewhere though |
| [08:42:24] | mycosys: | yeah – dib0700 seems to be usb |
| [08:42:53] | juski: | prolly the cheap ass USB tuner I bought for my laptop (for doing dev work) |
| [08:44:32] | mycosys: | lot of people swear by them, odd innit |
| [08:44:51] | mycosys: | http://www.overclockers.com.au/wiki/MythTV#Su . . . ner_adapters |
| [08:45:27] | juski: | I do wish people would get a clue & STOP THINKING MYTHTV 'SUPPORTS' devices |
| [08:47:05] | juski: | *** The Linux distro you choose may not have a new enough kernel to support device XYZ :D |
| [08:48:40] | juski: | and all this duplicated effort on wikis/blogs/webpages everywhere..stupid! Like it's not hard enough to keep one wiki up to date :-\ |
| [08:49:04] | mycosys: | lol |
| [08:49:24] | mycosys: | that one is australian specific – mainly points people other places |
| [08:49:30] | juski: | hahaha "post pics of your FUGLY box here" |
| [08:49:58] | juski: | http://www.overclockers.com.au/wiki/Image:Hrd . . . thserver.jpg |
| [08:50:39] | mycosys: | jebus – that is worse than mine lol |
| [08:50:50] | juski: | mycosys: I disagree. That page is frickin massive & full of 'info' all over the shop |
| [08:50:53] | juski: | it's a mess |
| [08:52:21] | mycosys: | yup |
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| [08:52:51] | mycosys: | but half the page is member configs, next largest would be tuners, then AU TV guides |
| [08:53:03] | mycosys: | for the most part even that is links |
| [08:53:31] | juski: | a mess |
| [08:53:44] | juski: | no wonder so many people come in here without a clue |
| [08:54:19] | mycosys: | i can think of other reasons :) |
| [08:55:09] | juski: | I know if I found that documentation I wouldn't bother trying to read it |
| [08:55:24] | mycosys: | lol :) |
| [08:55:48] | mycosys: | unfortunately the mythtv.org docs are even less approachable :) |
| [08:56:21] | juski: | wouldn't say so, but they all assume the user can read |
| [08:57:36] | mycosys: | and a bit more besides |
| [08:58:01] | juski: | so? users need to have a clue |
| [08:58:02] | juski: | :) |
| [08:58:09] | mycosys: | why? |
| [08:58:22] | mycosys: | PCs are ubiquitous |
| [08:58:36] | juski: | yes and people are almost universally stupid |
| [08:59:07] | juski: | a line has to be drawn somewhere ;-) |
| [08:59:17] | mycosys: | u dont see ur doctor saying you should know what the purpose of clavulanic acid is in Augmentin Duo tablets |
| [08:59:42] | juski: | if all you wanna do is record teevees, just go out & buy a DVR |
| [08:59:56] | juski: | if you can't afford a DVR, go get a job! |
| [09:00:19] | mycosys: | seems a very narrow worldview |
| [09:00:35] | juski: | hey I'm alright Jack |
| [09:00:56] | juski: | I couldn't care less if clueless dolts don't know their ln from their ls |
| [09:01:26] | mycosys: | maybe a user support area isnt ur calling then lol |
| [09:01:36] | juski: | who said I said it was? |
| [09:01:42] | mycosys: | true |
| [09:01:46] | juski: | where would you draw the line? |
| [09:01:58] | mycosys: | the power switch |
| [09:02:01] | juski: | "oh noes! it's telling me to press any key. WTF does that mean?" |
| [09:03:02] | mycosys: | should try talking my mum thru stuff on a gui – she is much more comfortable with punch cards :) |
| [09:03:04] | juski: | no matter how easy mythtv is eventually made to set up & use, you'll never be able to remove certain prerequisites. Like knowing how to hook it all up etc |
| [09:03:20] | mycosys: | which is where people make money with support |
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| [09:03:31] | juski: | easy money |
| [09:03:42] | mycosys: | i aint complainin :) |
| [09:03:55] | mycosys: | moved on now tho |
| [09:04:10] | juski: | I'd end up finding out where they live & going round with mr cluebat |
| [09:04:35] | mycosys: | lololol – has been tempting many times – esp the public servants |
| [09:05:11] | juski: | "put it back in the box and take it back to where you bought it" |
| [09:05:12] | mycosys: | but is a helluva lot easier to do tech with a keyboard than a soldering iron (my trade) |
| [09:05:34] | juski: | try fixing BGA devices with a mere soldering iron :P |
| [09:05:36] | mycosys: | nah – never got quite as far as the ol 'you are too stupid to own a computer' myth |
| [09:05:55] | juski: | myth? no myth! |
| [09:06:17] | mycosys: | it was actually – he just felt like saying it, and went on to marry her |
| [09:06:48] | juski: | there are plenty of people who are too stupid to own computers. My wife's parents, for example |
| [09:06:57] | mycosys: | lol |
| [09:07:26] | mycosys: | i was talkin bout a story, absolute classic – been on the net for – about as long as the web |
| [09:07:50] | mycosys: | tho i did hav a mate who reckons he really did ge a 'cupholder' call |
| [09:08:01] | juski: | ahh, a liar |
| [09:08:52] | mycosys: | lol |
| [09:09:00] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [09:09:34] | mycosys: | sigh – single speed cartridge cdroms – oh the memories |
| [09:09:39] | mycosys: | rofl |
| [09:10:06] | sid3windr: | I have a cartridge cd-rom somewhere |
| [09:10:10] | sid3windr: | it's a 2x though afaik |
| [09:10:11] | juski: | they were a really good idea,cartridges for optical media |
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| [09:10:27] | juski: | the way peopletards treat em :) |
| [09:10:31] | mycosys: | yup – but – cost b4 function as always |
| [09:10:45] | sid3windr: | I always wanted an MO drive |
| [09:10:46] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [09:11:04] | juski: | then again, if media lasted forever nobody would ever buy new |
| [09:11:07] | mycosys: | MOD had them, 3.5: had em, minidisc etc |
| [09:11:37] | mycosys: | nah – jus quadruples the manufacture costs – people wont pay |
| [09:12:19] | sid3windr: | 3.5" is not really optical media :> |
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| [09:12:50] | juski: | MD..I still have lots of those |
| [09:12:52] | mycosys: | but has the case |
| [09:12:53] | juski: | junk |
| [09:13:03] | mycosys: | yeah – but MD didnt take off like CD |
| [09:13:23] | juski: | coulda, but mp3 came along |
| [09:13:33] | juski: | good job too |
| [09:13:40] | mycosys: | never even looked like taking off |
| [09:13:47] | Dibblah: | MD did take off in limited places. |
| [09:13:56] | juski: | I was even a fan |
| [09:14:05] | mycosys: | is very useful |
| [09:14:12] | mycosys: | esp for feild recording |
| [09:14:14] | juski: | I had a MD recorder ages before you could buy a CD burner |
| [09:14:19] | Dibblah: | DJs, etc. |
| [09:14:30] | mycosys: | used a lot in radio |
| [09:14:30] | juski: | it was more useful than DCC,for example |
| [09:14:33] | juski: | now that was a lemon! |
| [09:15:18] | juski: | MD is still used in radio AFAIK. BBC Radio2 still haven't gone to computer plaout entirely..not yet |
| [09:15:19] | mycosys: | yay for betamax? |
| [09:15:30] | juski: | DCC was no betamax |
| [09:15:41] | mycosys: | was talkin MD |
| [09:15:41] | juski: | DCC was the video2000 of digital audio formats |
| [09:16:39] | juski: | I still use my MD separate unit as an A/D converter. Blows my SBLive! away :D |
| [09:16:40] | mycosys: | MD is used extensively in radio voxpops btw – just as Beta became the standard for commercial TV |
| [09:17:06] | mycosys: | any interviews actually |
| [09:17:15] | juski: | nah flash is overtaking it |
| [09:17:26] | mycosys: | ? |
| [09:17:34] | juski: | portable flash media recorders |
| [09:18:02] | juski: | they're cheap,light & shock resistant |
| [09:18:14] | mycosys: | havent seen it here – they have the MDs, and their great ADCs etc |
| [09:18:30] | mycosys: | but i am a couple years out o the loop |
| [09:18:33] | juski: | plus flash is much easier to get the audio off. no real-time :) |
| [09:19:01] | juski: | cos MD data drives never really made it either. MD transfer was very much a one-way street |
| [09:19:27] | mycosys: | whatever happened to Dcart? lol |
| [09:19:50] | juski: | like sonifex carts but with floppies? |
| [09:20:05] | juski: | something like X100 compressed audio on a 2.88MB disk? |
| [09:20:07] | mycosys: | cant even remember what was in em |
| [09:20:33] | mycosys: | main advantage was DJs didnt have to adapt their workstream |
| [09:23:27] | juski: | I'd never call a professional jibber-jabber merchant a 'DJ' ;) |
| [09:23:46] | juski: | _presenter_ yes.. not DJ :) |
| [09:24:14] | mycosys: | was what the name came from :) |
| [09:24:39] | juski: | they're more salesmen now than anything |
| [09:25:27] | juski: | soul-less whores |
| [09:25:43] | mycosys: | were they ever anything else? |
| [09:25:49] | juski: | heh |
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| [09:26:03] | juski: | well at least they used to have creative input |
| [09:26:10] | mycosys is now known as mycosys-afk | |
| [09:26:15] | juski: | not now, with scripted voice tracking, automation & all that |
| [09:26:19] | mycosys-afk: | some of them lol |
| [09:26:24] | mycosys-afk: | bbs |
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| [09:43:23] | Dagmar: | <SPOILER>Snape did it.</SPOILER> |
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| [09:43:31] | d3v1l: | hi all |
| [09:44:49] | d3v1l: | i need help with nova-s usb2 and mythbuntu |
| [09:45:00] | d3v1l: | there's anyone use it? |
| [09:45:20] | juski: | #mythbuntu |
| [09:45:50] | d3v1l: | thanks |
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| [09:56:58] | juski: | stupid returns rules stipulating that the packaging of a returned item must be intact – when the item was in one of those stupid blister packs |
| [09:58:04] | Dagmar: | I'm starting to hate the hell out of china for that |
| [09:58:39] | laga: | blister packs suck. i tend to hurt myself with those |
| [09:59:00] | juski: | the distance selling regs here state you can return stuff in saleable condition for any reason you want |
| [09:59:32] | juski: | so if you buy something you like the look of but find out it sucks.. just send it back. so long as it comes in a box & can be repackaged |
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| [10:00:01] | Dagmar: | I just object to getting things in giant plastic bubbles |
| [10:00:09] | juski: | still, ve hav vays ov making sings broken ;-) |
| [10:00:11] | Dagmar: | ...that I need to get the damn dremel out to open |
| [10:00:40] | juski: | time to put mains up its USB socket then... |
| [10:01:23] | juski: | erm. not actually mains, just enough to fettle the USB port |
| [10:01:44] | jduggan: | i hate it when you order something and it has to go to teh registered address of the card holder |
| [10:01:47] | juski: | bought a USB audio interface & it's a load of crap |
| [10:01:51] | jduggan: | as in, where teh bank has the address registered to |
| [10:02:02] | jduggan: | unfortunate for me because i work 150miles away from home mid-week |
| [10:02:03] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [10:02:12] | juski: | technically can't return it cos the packaging is mangled, so it's faulty :D |
| [10:02:35] | juski: | jduggan: but think of how they're protecting the card company! |
| [10:02:40] | jduggan: | heh |
| [10:02:40] | juski: | erm.. YOU, I mean ;) |
| [10:03:06] | Dagmar: | Thankfully, thieves don't have to spend your money all at once anymore |
| [10:03:30] | Dagmar: | With the lack of controls on wire transfers, they just need to find out your account number and ask nicely for the bank to give them your money. |
| [10:03:30] | juski: | heh |
| [10:03:36] | jduggan: | it usually means i have to take a day off work to go to some depot to collect my parcels, because theyre usually shut on weekends |
| [10:03:46] | jduggan: | so annoying |
| [10:04:00] | juski: | jduggan: serves you right for having a job to earn money to buy things |
| [10:04:04] | Dagmar: | We live like kings here. |
| [10:04:05] | jduggan: | heh |
| [10:04:15] | Dagmar: | UPS has no problems ditching things on my stop |
| [10:04:22] | Dagmar: | er stoop |
| [10:04:32] | juski: | Dagmar: hardly anyone over here uses UPS |
| [10:04:41] | jduggan: | UPS is expensive here |
| [10:04:46] | juski: | I |
| [10:04:57] | juski: | I'd gladly pay extra to use UPS |
| [10:05:10] | juski: | screw ebuyer with their shittylink affiliation |
| [10:05:10] | Dagmar: | It might cost more than the royal post but if it's anything like in the US, it'll arrive in a _predictable_ amount of time |
| [10:05:34] | Dagmar: | Whenever I get something postal mail, it arrives in three days sometimes, fourteen days others. |
| [10:05:41] | Dagmar: | Shipped from the same place, to the same place |
| [10:05:41] | jduggan: | work uses UPS because their depot is right around the corner so its easy for collection/delivery :) |
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| [10:06:15] | juski: | I've seen couriers just drop a card in my letterbox without every even calling |
| [10:06:20] | juski: | *ever |
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| [10:06:26] | laga: | juski: yeah. that happens |
| [10:06:27] | Dagmar: | Long time back when I was doing field repair, the company I worked for mailed our checks to us |
| [10:06:45] | Dagmar: | Literally every other check mailed to me was never heard from again. |
| [10:06:55] | juski: | if they actually had a 'collect from the depot' |
| [10:06:55] | Dagmar: | So I might be a little bitter about that |
| [10:07:07] | juski: | option it might be better for all :) |
| [10:07:24] | juski: | Dagmar: time for Mr Postie to go missing |
| [10:07:42] | Dagmar: | juski: Might they just word that as "turn it over to the man in the long coat with the wide brimmed hat and large sunglasses claiming to be me"? |
| [10:07:48] | jduggan: | my boss had some nice digital camera delivered from amazon... delivery guy just left it dumped in an open reception area... so my boss cheekily told amazon it wasnt delivered and got a second one for nothing |
| [10:08:00] | juski: | Dagmar: they may aswell do that anyway |
| [10:08:07] | jduggan: | bit dodgy... but bad of the delivery guy |
| [10:08:12] | juski: | jduggan: good call, your boss :) |
| [10:08:28] | jduggan: | lol |
| [10:08:31] | juski: | nobody signs, it's their loss |
| [10:08:40] | jduggan: | yea |
| [10:09:05] | Dagmar: | When I ship with UPS, they put the note on my door if I miss them, and then I just sign it and the next night when I come home it's there |
| [10:09:29] | Dagmar: | Anything I'm worried about someone walking off with I order on a day when I know it'll arrive when I'm home |
| [10:09:41] | Dagmar: | Predictability of delivery time is everything |
| [10:09:43] | juski: | Royal Mail are ok too, if you can get up early enough to visit the sorting office |
| [10:09:57] | jduggan: | heh, yea ive never had a problem with royal mail |
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| [10:10:14] | ** laga hopes to get some cookies delivered today from the US :) ** | |
| [10:10:28] | juski: | not have cookies in Germany? :-O |
| [10:10:30] | Dagmar: | Fedex I hope |
| [10:10:48] | laga: | no clue |
| [10:10:57] | laga: | juski: not the ones my ex's mom makes |
| [10:11:08] | juski: | be careful ;-) |
| [10:11:13] | Dagmar: | Why not just have her email you the recipe? |
| [10:11:24] | juski: | give some to somebody else first, for erm.. testing |
| [10:11:41] | juski: | oops. not everybody's ex is a psycho.. ahem |
| [10:12:16] | laga: | Dagmar: because i don't have an oven. and for some cookies, i can't get all the ingredients |
| [10:12:43] | juski: | 'special' / illegal ingredients? ;-) |
| [10:12:44] | Dibblah: | Microwave cookies! |
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| [10:13:23] | laga: | Dibblah: bah. i only use the microwave to make coffee ;) |
| [10:13:35] | juski: | you know those cookies grandma used to make? they smelled really strong and had a very relaxing effect? mmmmmmmm |
| [10:14:34] | laga: | juski: ie marionberries |
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| [10:16:09] | juski: | http://www.ehow.com/how_4530152_grow-marion-berries.html |
| [10:17:21] | laga: | okay everyone. it really *is* easier for me to have them mailed to me than grow my own berries to bake them ;) |
| [10:17:33] | juski: | less fun though :) |
| [10:17:48] | laga: | 5 |
| [10:17:51] | laga: | oops. |
| [10:18:10] | laga: | juski: moar tastier, though. they own a restaurant, so they know what they're doing ;) |
| [10:25:29] | juski: | heheh |
| [10:27:01] | Spida: | laga: try this: http://www.feinbaeckerei-otten.de/ |
| [10:28:18] | Spida: | laga: my father goes to their factory in early december, and gets a trunkload for his whole company... |
| [10:28:37] | laga: | Spida: ah, they dont do delivery, sad |
| [10:30:00] | Dagmar: | Key Lime Pie |
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| [10:34:45] | Spida: | laga: where are you located? |
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| [10:36:43] | juski: | don't you have a zoom-in-able whois tool which shows you everybody on a cool 3d map? :-O |
| [10:39:32] | Dagmar: | For some reason, I'm thinking Germany |
| [10:40:57] | Spida: | Dagmar: germany is quite large, if you don't want to use any aircraft. |
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| [10:43:33] | Dagmar: | You really suck at stalking. |
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| [11:01:01] | juski: | heh digitalspy make much ado about Sarah Hardon being in a telly drama & it turns out it was only a bloody cameo |
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| [11:11:04] | laga: | Spida: depends. badem-württemberg or saarland ;) |
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| [11:17:04] | laga: | for fucks sake, everyone who is too stupid to trim their replies correctly on -users should have their internet access taken away for 2 weeks |
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| [11:28:59] | juski: | and top posters :) |
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| [11:31:38] | jduggan: | bleh, fascists |
| [11:31:42] | jduggan: | :P |
| [11:32:16] | juski: | damn straight :) |
| [11:34:52] | jduggan: | im a complete hypocrite when it comes to mailing lists... i hate trawling through posts where people havent trimmed and/or top posted... but half the time im too lazy to bother myself so i totally understand ;) |
| [11:35:30] | juski: | laziness should always be punished |
| [11:35:54] | jduggan: | true true |
| [11:49:27] | ** Scopeuk notes by that metric he should be about dead by now ** | |
| [11:51:36] | Scopeuk: | although i do operate under the school of thought that as i ahve nothing of use or interest to post to the mailing list i wont post to the mailing list |
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| [11:52:32] | laga: | Scopeuk: some people post anyways. |
| [11:52:43] | laga: | and that is one of the reasons i don't read -users ;) |
| [11:56:48] | ** Scopeuk looks at his mail client and realises he only follows -dev ** | |
| [11:57:08] | Scopeuk: | only look at it when i have issue tbh |
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| [12:20:04] | juski: | hrm. I think I want to build a DIY MIDI controller |
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| [12:31:36] | Scopeuk: | juski i've considered it on so many occasions |
| [12:31:53] | Scopeuk: | even picked out a micro at one point |
| [12:32:11] | Scopeuk: | theres a nice pic which has built in usb midi support and 13 analog inputs |
| [12:32:17] | juski: | wouldn't waste time going that far with it |
| [12:32:25] | juski: | just get something midibox based |
| [12:32:36] | Scopeuk: | fair enough |
| [12:33:35] | Dibblah: | ISTR someone in ##electronics did that quite recently. |
| [12:33:42] | juski: | outgrown my 8 channel controller already :) |
| [12:34:10] | juski: | just build a box with pots/switches & hook it up to a 64 channel USB midibox board :) |
| [12:34:17] | ** Scopeuk has been intening to buy a midi controler but i set my selfa hard and fast budget of 30 quid for one and obviously that makes things difficult ** | |
| [12:34:27] | juski: | lol |
| [12:34:46] | Scopeuk: | you use it for audio production or ? |
| [12:34:51] | juski: | 30 quid would get you some crap looking switches.. and not many to speak of either |
| [12:34:58] | juski: | Ableton Live |
| [12:35:29] | Scopeuk: | ahh id be doing visual stuff no real need for triggers although pads are nice but i'd like a bunch of twiddly bits |
| [12:35:33] | juski: | need about 5 pots & 5 switches per channel |
| [12:35:43] | juski: | prolly 6 channels |
| [12:35:49] | Scopeuk: | one of my friends recently broguth a bcr2000 |
| [12:35:59] | juski: | got one |
| [12:36:02] | juski: | it's not enough |
| [12:36:02] | Scopeuk: | thats quite nice pair it with a bcf2000 and you'd be good to go |
| [12:36:07] | Scopeuk: | yikes |
| [12:36:17] | juski: | not enough buttons |
| [12:36:39] | Scopeuk: | closest i come to a midi controler is my ds emulating a mcu over wifi |
| [12:36:42] | juski: | need something more like what DeadMau5 uses :D |
| [12:38:56] | ** Scopeuk goes looking for pics ** | |
| [12:39:56] | mycosys-afk: | get an ol SB16 PCI :P |
| [12:40:18] | mycosys-afk: | use the game port for 2 sets or trim pots |
| [12:40:21] | mycosys-afk: | *of |
| [12:40:22] | juski: | for my laptop? |
| [12:40:26] | juski: | pfft |
| [12:40:29] | mycosys-afk: | bugger lol |
| [12:40:40] | juski: | then 'just' write a driver to get it to send MIDI... |
| [12:40:40] | mycosys-afk: | would need a PCIe-PCi host |
| [12:40:50] | juski: | USB ftw |
| [12:40:58] | Scopeuk: | the moneome? pannel with an 8x8 matrix of buttons?> |
| [12:41:06] | mycosys-afk: | expresscard prolly |
| [12:41:30] | ** Scopeuk has a game port onboard ** | |
| [12:41:36] | Scopeuk: | i could quite easily map that to midi |
| [12:41:49] | Scopeuk: | 2 pots doesent go very far though |
| [12:42:12] | juski: | Scopeuk: use an analog mux controlled by the parallel port :P |
| [12:42:13] | Scopeuk: | supose if i combined it with something to strobe the paralel port i could potentially have 16 but it would whalop my response time |
| [12:42:38] | juski: | bet you could scan it faster than a human could change 2 controls in succession |
| [12:42:56] | Scopeuk: | probably |
| [12:43:10] | Scopeuk: | unfurutnately my papparlel port is occupided by an avr programmer |
| [12:43:39] | Scopeuk: | my god my typings awfull at the moment |
| [12:43:43] | ** Scopeuk goes to make ttea ** | |
| [12:44:20] | laga: | i'd love to get into AVR programming. so many cool things.. |
| [12:46:05] | juski: | wooo. illuminated tact switches from £0.85 |
| [12:47:01] | juski: | or this.. this is nice http://cpc.farnell.com/_/pb61302bl-2c/switch- . . . w/dp/SW02998 |
| [12:47:16] | Scopeuk: | laga start out with the tiny 2313's there about $2 ea and the programmer i use cost abotu the same to build |
| [12:47:27] | Scopeuk: | my latest progrect is an led cube |
| [12:47:47] | ** Scopeuk wishes he was still a student use to get huge discounts and free shippign of farnell ** | |
| [12:50:23] | sid3windr: | mycosys-afk: SB16 PCI? I'd love to see that one.. :p |
| [12:50:46] | sid3windr: | oh, it exists. |
| [12:50:49] | sid3windr: | hmhm. :) |
| [12:51:06] | sid3windr: | (but it's just an ensoniq thingy) |
| [12:53:24] | ** Scopeuk has a cupboard full of useless old sound cards but his desktop is freszh out of useable sockets ** | |
| [12:53:30] | laga: | cynicismic: yeah, i just don't have time ;) |
| [12:53:59] | Scopeuk: | ah fair enough |
| [12:54:26] | laga: | err, Scopeuk i mean |
| [12:54:38] | Scopeuk: | guessed that much |
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| [13:11:42] | sid3windr: | :) |
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| [13:56:18] | musicgeek: | I can watch TV through "gmplayer -vo xv /dev/video0" with no problems. |
| [13:56:18] | musicgeek: | However, when I try to use MythTV to watch LiveTV I am getting the following erros in the log: http://pastebin.com/d5350eda4 |
| [13:56:18] | musicgeek: | Running Ubuntu 9.04 and MythTV 0.21 w/ PVR-150 Card. |
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| [13:58:55] | juski: | they never say what they use for video output, like it has nothing to do with playback |
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| [14:01:53] | juski: | as for errors.. 2009-07–15 09:13:41.038 EntryToProgram(0@Wed Dec 31 19:00:00 1969) failed to get pginfo..any EPG data at all? |
| [14:03:02] | juski: | and erm.. what part of the world are you in where it's still 1969? |
| [14:03:56] | juski: | 31st December 1969 at 19:00 lol |
| [14:06:50] | jduggan: | skegness |
| [14:07:10] | juski: | lol |
| [14:08:32] | laga: | shagadelic |
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| [14:21:34] | juski: | well,obviously some problems aren't important. Important enough to *ask* about but obviously not important enough to warrant paying attention to replies. Sigh |
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| [14:25:22] | sphery: | juski: I'm sure when you told him his clock was unset, he fixed it and then it worked. You should know by now that saying, "It worked,"--let alone, "Thanks"--makes for too much chatter in IRC. ;) |
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| [14:26:04] | juski: | how would the log timestamps be ok if the clock was unset? ;) |
| [14:26:16] | sphery: | different systems? |
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| [14:26:23] | sphery: | frontend unset, backend set |
| [14:26:27] | sphery: | or vice versa |
| [14:26:55] | juski: | looked like one machine to me 127.0.0.1 |
| [14:27:29] | sphery: | doesn't help that he has way too much logging enabled. |
| [14:29:14] | sphery: | then again, it may be the failure "GetEntryAt(-1) failed" that results in an unset starttime, resulting in passing the epoch to MySQL |
| [14:30:03] | juski: | i.e.absolutely no EPG data |
| [14:30:17] | sphery: | well, no EPG for 1969 |
| [14:30:33] | sphery: | but GetEntryAt(-1) failed is due to no records returned from the tvchain query |
| [14:30:46] | sphery: | meaning that the recorder didn't start |
| [14:30:57] | sphery: | my guess is now broken input connections |
| [14:31:00] | juski: | ach well if people can't be bothered to read their own logs.. |
| [14:31:24] | sphery: | or--as you said--read the responses in IRC... |
| [14:31:29] | juski: | my hours aredown but I care not. I'm offski |
| [14:31:54] | sphery: | well, some of us appreciate your helping others--even if it's not those you help |
| [14:32:41] | sphery: | juski: btw, are you a last.fm user? |
| [14:37:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery, This is classic: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commits/2009-July/053945.html |
| [14:37:52] | sphery: | iamlindoro: last.fm hasn't responded (or fixed their ToU) |
| [14:38:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, just saw and replied to that one |
| [14:38:13] | sphery: | was a bit short on the reply, too |
| [14:39:34] | sphery: | I will admit that RH did a /terrible/ job of naming the package when they decided to put sysvshm, sysvsem, sysvmsg, and posix PHP functions in a separate package |
| [14:40:00] | sphery: | could have even done a php-posix and php-sys package to make it easier for users |
| [14:40:08] | laga: | ticket locked. SCNR ;) |
| [14:41:59] | sphery: | Yeah, good idea. No use back-committing that patch (especially now). As a matter of fact, I think putting that patch in trunk was actually a mistake as now (again), PHP posix functions are no longer required for MythWeb, but next time we use them, ... The packagers just need to update deps to include the PHP posix functions. |
| [14:42:29] | sphery: | (those packagers who broke out the PHP posix functions, that is) |
| [14:42:46] | sphery: | laga: nice message, too :) |
| [14:43:00] | laga: | i should have locked it stating "Not an issue on Mythbuntu." ;) |
| [14:43:30] | sphery: | heh |
| [14:43:51] | sphery: | knife -> Fedora ... twist |
| [14:48:51] | wagnerrp: | sphery: actually, he fixed the clock, and it is just taking X this long to become responsive again after the abrupt clock change |
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| [14:50:04] | sphery: | heh... imagining it waiting 39 years to catch up :) |
| [14:52:23] | sphery: | laga: Would you like to do me a huge favor? Since #5910 is a patch for broken functionality in 0.21-fixes and trunk, I had marked it for 0.21-fixes, but since -fixes isn't worth bothering with, can you change it to trunk/head? I'll be forever indebted to you. |
| [14:55:37] | laga: | done |
| [14:55:51] | laga: | less boilerplate, moar patches please ;) |
| [14:56:15] | sphery: | thanks |
| [14:56:16] | laga: | (in your request. note: i was just kiddinfg. before someone gets annoyed at me again ;)) |
| [14:57:12] | sphery: | I think, though, there are plenty of patches on that ticket--I'm up to 4 different ones (though I accidentally uploaded one twice :) |
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| [14:58:19] | laga: | yeah |
| [14:58:25] | laga: | there are so many tickets with patches |
| [14:59:06] | sphery: | yeah... probably time for me to do my once-every-month-or-so patches update for changes to trunk |
| [15:00:02] | iamlindoro: | laga, Quite often a little demoralizing for the patch authors, that fact |
| [15:00:16] | laga: | iamlindoro: yeah. |
| [15:01:43] | sphery: | So, anyone have comments on #6726? If you run mythrename.pl --hardlink , it will create hard links (assuming that the link dir and recordings are on the same filesystem/device). Then, when Myth deletes the recording, the hard-linked, pretty filename still exists, so the recording still exists. Nothing would ever go back and delete the "linked" view--even if you tell Myth to follow symlinks (as it's a hard link). |
| [15:02:34] | laga: | without looking at the ticket – that's intended behavior. |
| [15:02:34] | sphery: | It just seems there are /way/ too many failure possibilities (different filesystems) as well as problems (recordings never deleted) to put it in the script. |
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| [15:02:45] | sphery: | intended behavior of hard links |
| [15:02:48] | laga: | yes |
| [15:02:49] | sphery: | but the patch adds hard links |
| [15:02:49] | iamlindoro: | sphery, we're waiting for you to rewrite mythrename to use all the bindings, then we can all look at it in the trac patch museum for a couple years and make a comparison ;) |
| [15:03:01] | sphery: | I don't think hard links should /ever/ be created |
| [15:03:15] | sphery: | iamlindoro: it actually does use bindings (thus my using the script :) |
| [15:03:19] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [15:03:22] | sphery: | though more of it could be bindicized |
| [15:03:22] | iamlindoro: | touche |
| [15:03:33] | laga: | sphery: if in doubt, reject it. OTOH, it is optional.. |
| [15:03:40] | sphery: | true |
| [15:03:58] | sphery: | I'll send a message voicing my concerns to the dev list for xris's consideration |
| [15:04:15] | laga: | sphery: i'd just add a big fat warning to that option and add it if the code is good |
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| [15:07:21] | Dibblah: | Also, the concern that created the ticket is misunderstood. |
| [15:07:31] | sphery: | yeah |
| [15:07:36] | sphery: | mirror filesystem layout/paths |
| [15:07:37] | Dibblah: | ... NFS works just fine with symlinks. |
| [15:07:41] | sphery: | I'm mentioning that |
| [15:08:02] | laga: | Dibblah: what's the problem then? the popcorn hour? |
| [15:08:16] | sphery: | right, but it's still a reference (and, as mythrename.pl creates symlinks with absolute paths), so you need the same directory structure on all hosts |
| [15:08:34] | Dibblah: | Exactly. |
| [15:09:17] | sphery: | and, for those using CIFS, they need to enable it to "follow" links for them |
| [15:09:38] | laga: | oh. now i get it |
| [15:09:52] | wagnerrp: | rather, they need to disable it not following links for them |
| [15:10:12] | Dibblah: | http://ou800doc.caldera.com/en/SDK_sysprog/_U . . . ith_NFS.html |
| [15:10:19] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I stand corrected :) |
| [15:10:30] | wagnerrp: | its a special option to send the symlink across CIFS, rather than just sending the file |
| [15:10:32] | Dibblah: | Is the issue not that the script creates fully qualified symlinks? |
| [15:10:54] | Dibblah: | And would be fixed by creating them path referential? |
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| [15:12:08] | sphery: | I'll mention that as a more sensible change to mythrename.pl (--relative <base_dir> , perhaps?) |
| [15:13:10] | wagnerrp: | well this is groundbreaking... company fined $300K for having its employees post favorable reviews from supposedly independent customers |
| [15:13:18] | sphery: | nice |
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| [15:15:41] | Scopeuk: | wagnerrp good |
| [15:15:53] | Scopeuk: | maby it will clean it up a bit (fat chance imho) |
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| [15:22:44] | sphery: | wagnerrp: do you know if current Samba now allows specifying the server can follow symlinks for the client without disabling all Unix extensions? |
| [15:25:37] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, its all or nothing |
| [15:26:24] | sphery: | OK. Thanks. I'm still using an old one and it looked like they broke some stuff out from an API level, so I wondered about the user config level. |
| [15:26:27] | wagnerrp: | ive not looked at in a couple years though, not since getting samba running sufficiently for my purposes |
| [15:27:05] | wagnerrp: | im running a new version, but my config file is probably a carry over from 5+ years now |
| [15:28:09] | sphery: | yeah, that's the other thing... I never really reconfigure stuff once I get it working like I want. |
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| [15:38:30] | wagnerrp: | sphery: looks like theres a 'follow symlinks = no' to disable serverside dereferencing independent of 'unix extensions', but i cant find anything that works in reverse |
| [15:41:20] | sphery: | wagnerrp: hmmm... http://ssh-lroot.blogspot.com/2007/06/cifs-mo . . . h-linux.html says to also disable unix extensions |
| [15:43:45] | sid3windr: | brakes o_O |
| [15:44:18] | wagnerrp: | in that symlink dereferencing is now done client-side, as opposed to server-side |
| [15:44:31] | wagnerrp: | the behavior changed, so things that depended on that behavior broke |
| [15:45:26] | sphery: | or, stopped, as the case may be, because of CIFS's applying the brakes :) |
| [15:45:51] | sid3windr: | indeed, I just disable unix extensions |
| [15:45:55] | sphery: | (instead of breaking the functionality :) |
| [15:46:07] | sid3windr: | it's always fun to link a file on the server to /etc/passwd or so, then having some user overwrite the link destination |
| [15:46:09] | sid3windr: | :> |
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| [15:46:20] | sphery: | I'll put all 3 lines in my message and let the users sort it out |
| [15:46:25] | wagnerrp: | sid3windr: thats what were wondering... if you can have the old symlink behavior AND the rest of the unix extensions |
| [15:46:32] | sid3windr: | I don't think so. |
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| [16:35:50] | vintonc: | I am having issues with setting gui offset on a f10 system, it worked under f8 but since I upgraded it doesn't. I have googled and searched the myth forums for a couple of days and haven't found any solutions. Has anyone else seen this? |
| [16:38:03] | tank-man: | Ive seen it in the documentation |
| [16:40:21] | vintonc: | which documentation? the official user docs or the wiki? |
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| [16:51:59] | iamlindoro: | Heh... it's been a *year* since ATI added XvBA to their drivers. |
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| [17:02:19] | vintonc: | i've check the database and the X and Y gui offsets are the same as I set in the UI and the frontend reports the correct size at startup but shows the offsets as 0,0. The host name is correct, I actually ran the SELECT commands shown in the frontend log |
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| [17:11:40] | ** iamlindoro waits for the storm of armchair legal opinion to begin re: R5000 ticket closing. ** | |
| [17:13:59] | iamlindoro: | Oooh, my HD-PVR RMA is out for delivery! |
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| [17:15:30] | GreyFoxx: | iamlindoro: your DMCA is really a pain for users :) |
| [17:16:12] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: Don't blame me, I have no personal objection to it, you and I are of a like mind about it |
| [17:16:42] | iamlindoro: | But I also understand the limitations imposed on a public project, and wouldn't wish ill on the devs |
| [17:16:49] | iamlindoro: | Yourself included ;) |
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| [17:25:55] | msaul_: | Would someone be able to help me with choppy osd on my NVIDIA 7600GS card? |
| [17:26:18] | msaul_: | Someone earlier mentioned to remove OSD fade. |
| [17:26:58] | msaul_: | I assume that is the setting for osd theme in /usr/share/mythtv/themes and to set fadeaway from 30 to 0 |
| [17:27:30] | msaul_: | I did that for the OSD theme "Isthmus" for the file called osd.xml... |
| [17:27:31] | kormoc: | no, it's a frontend setting called 'Enable OSD fades' |
| [17:28:03] | msaul_: | Could you specify where in the setup screen? I'm using mythbuntu 9.04 |
| [17:28:38] | msaul_: | I didn't seem to see that option (been over the settings quite a bit...) |
| [17:28:44] | iamlindoro: | Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->OSD Somethingorother |
| [17:28:59] | iamlindoro: | and if not there, then in Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback somewhere |
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| [17:31:50] | msaul_: | OK, there is a setup section called PLAYBACK OSD, but I don't see Enable OSD fades, there is something that says "Enable Interactive TV" is that the one? |
| [17:32:03] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [17:32:15] | sphery: | it's in the playback profile |
| [17:32:16] | iamlindoro: | The option is as kormoc explained it |
| [17:32:25] | sphery: | got moved |
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| [17:33:30] | sphery: | Like kormoc would know where to find it, now... He doesn't even use Myth, anymore. ;) |
| [17:34:07] | sphery: | msaul_: so you have to go to the playback profile page, then select an appropriate group, then edit each profile within that group |
| [17:34:27] | msaul_: | There are 9 setup screens in playback, but nothing regarding "Enbale OSD fades" |
| [17:34:41] | vintonc: | this offset issue I'm having makes it impossible to read the program lists on the left, I'm using an nVidia 6200 w 180.29 driver and myth svn 20503 from may 7, 2009 on fc10. please help. |
| [17:34:41] | sphery: | oh, and BTW, kormoc is actually a very good source of info about all things Myth--I was just joking above |
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| [17:34:54] | msaul_: | Looking for the profiles section... |
| [17:35:00] | sphery: | it's in playback |
| [17:35:04] | sphery: | like page 3 or so |
| [17:35:38] | sphery: | the "LiveTV is more reliable than recordings" post on the list makes me think that someone's box is really messed up |
| [17:35:52] | ** iamlindoro squints, blinks ** | |
| [17:35:54] | msaul_: | I'm using CPU-- this seems to be the only profile that doesn't do choppy HD when OSD not displayed... |
| [17:36:05] | sphery: | however, I'll admit that the messed up box may actually be the cable-co-provided STB with firewire or something |
| [17:36:14] | sphery: | msaul_: use Slim |
| [17:36:22] | sphery: | msaul_: however, note that Slim is /not/ a playback profile |
| [17:36:26] | msaul_: | Done that already – didn |
| [17:36:27] | sphery: | it's a playback profile /group/ |
| [17:36:39] | msaul_: | Slim didn't work when I tried it |
| [17:36:52] | sphery: | if that's the case, you have a video card that's far more powerful than your CPU |
| [17:37:08] | sphery: | meaning you have an underpowered CPU |
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| [17:37:36] | msaul_: | But it works with profile CPU+ as well... |
| [17:38:12] | sphery: | both of those are attempting to use XvMC for playback |
| [17:38:12] | msaul_: | i.e. displaying the HD (without the OSD) |
| [17:38:17] | sphery: | which means using the GPU |
| [17:38:29] | msaul_: | GPU? |
| [17:39:21] | sphery: | so, if you can't do Slim--the most lightweight software-/CPU-decode profile--but you can use the XvMC ones (which use the graphics card/Graphics Processing Unit (GPU)), your CPU isn't up to the task |
| [17:39:39] | sphery: | meaning you may want to look at repurposing that computer and getting a frontend with sufficient power :) |
| [17:40:02] | iamlindoro: | Hahahaha, I just got a couple of cheap USB keyboards from Newegg... the box says, as a slogan... "Keyboard: The *ultimate* input device!" |
| [17:40:02] | msaul_: | OK, that makes sense, and I can live with that. |
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| [17:40:16] | sphery: | but, if you're right on the edge and it only stutters with the OSD, you can disable the fades and live with the constraints |
| [17:40:39] | sphery: | i.e. no timestretch, occasional pauses or playback irregularities, ... |
| [17:40:39] | msaul_: | Has anyone used an Xbox360 live for a frontend? Is there any practical reason to do so/ |
| [17:40:51] | sphery: | won't even work with UPnP |
| [17:41:05] | sphery: | Only supports a small number of CODECs (mainly MS ones) |
| [17:41:20] | sphery: | after all, you're /only/ supposed to use MS hardware with MS software (such as WIndows MCE) |
| [17:41:27] | ** kormoc pokes his new backend as it's on a plane from China ** | |
| [17:41:45] | sphery: | Yay!!!! kormoc is coming back to Myth. |
| [17:42:13] | sphery: | finally realized that the iPod Touch--despite commercials promising everything--couldn't replace Myth ;) |
| [17:42:14] | msaul_: | OK, so another computer for the frontend – any suggestions for video card? Is it better to go with 8 / 9 series? |
| [17:42:31] | sphery: | msaul_: what CPU do you have? |
| [17:42:33] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [17:42:47] | msaul_: | 2.1 Ghz pentium IV for backend/frontend |
| [17:42:58] | msaul_: | 1 Gb RAM |
| [17:43:00] | sphery: | Yeah, you really need a 3GHz P4 for HDTV |
| [17:43:10] | sphery: | but you're /much/ better off with a better computer |
| [17:43:26] | sphery: | so, I'd recommend a nice low-TDP processor |
| [17:43:40] | msaul_: | Anyone recommend ITX boards |
| [17:44:09] | msaul_: | I'm looking for low noise, smaller unit – some of my colleagues are experimenting with these... |
| [17:44:36] | msaul_: | Apparently some ITX boards are coming out with NVIDIA cards embedded... |
| [17:44:44] | sphery: | (newegg even has one on sale right now--http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103298 for $59.99 & free shipping and use promo code EMCLVMR28 to get $10 off (total $49.99) |
| [17:45:00] | sphery: | low-TDP will save you money on energy bills (and it adds up a lot over time) |
| [17:45:12] | sphery: | There are also a lot of low-TDP Intel procs if you prefer |
| [17:45:20] | msaul_: | What sort of video card? |
| [17:45:22] | sphery: | low-TDP should also help with noise |
| [17:45:23] | msaul_: | I'm interested... |
| [17:45:43] | msaul_: | I assume this does not include the case... correct? |
| [17:45:43] | sphery: | though my recommendation is to just put the Myth boxes in another room and run cables through/around walls |
| [17:45:55] | sphery: | then you don't have to worry about noise/ugliness/size |
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| [17:46:07] | msaul_: | Yeah, my backend is in the basement and easy to run cables... |
| [17:46:15] | sphery: | right, the $49.99 is processor only. You'd still need a mobo, RAM, case, and power supply |
| [17:46:30] | sphery: | I /also/ recommend nice 80 PLUS power supplies (they save a /lot/ of money on power, too) |
| [17:46:53] | msaul_: | mobo refers to motherboard? |
| [17:46:57] | msaul_: | I assume.. |
| [17:47:20] | jduggan: | yes |
| [17:47:26] | sphery: | on my myth backends, switching PSU (no other changes to the system) to an 80 PLUS is saving me about $2/mo per backend |
| [17:47:33] | sphery: | yeah, mobo = motherboard |
| [17:47:37] | msaul_: | Since I'm here, what are your thoughts on Hauppauge dual tuner cards PCIE vs USB |
| [17:48:21] | msaul_: | Someone told me that the Hauppauge USB capture devices put off a lot of heat – but I don't know is that is true... |
| [17:48:24] | sphery: | as for GPU, 8x00 and 9x00 support VDPAU, which future versions of Myth will support, for on GPU decoding (versus XvMC which only offloads a small amount of decoding). However, I think software decoding is /much/ better way to go. |
| [17:48:52] | sphery: | that doesn't mean don't get an 8x00 or 9x00 nvidia GPU--just means that if I got one, I wouldn't be using the VDPAU support |
| [17:49:44] | sphery: | I also dislike USB because it's not very efficient (CPU polling) and--in my experience--over time, the system tends to lose USB devices requiring an unplug/replug (or reboot) to make them work again |
| [17:50:34] | clever: | my usb harddrive enclosure used to not work, if it was plugged in durring bootup |
| [17:50:39] | sphery: | USB 3 sounds like it will be much better (basically PCIe over USB cables), but until then, I wouldn't use USB for a critical device in any machine intended to be super reliable |
| [17:50:41] | clever: | id have to replug it before it worked |
| [17:51:29] | sphery: | msaul_: oh, and all of the above is my personal opinion. The opinions expressed above are not those of the MythTV project or developers or ... ;) |
| [17:51:30] | clever: | other then that, its fairly stable |
| [17:51:38] | msaul_: | OK, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. I'm very happy with my system, and this will allow me time to design and purchase an appropriate front-end... |
| [17:51:43] | clever: | my webcam managed to half-work durring a brownout |
| [17:51:56] | sphery: | msaul_: your current system wuold work very well as a backend |
| [17:52:06] | sphery: | so you could use it for capture and just get a system for playback |
| [17:52:18] | msaul_: | I realize its your opinion, I take everything with a grain of salt. One thing I have learned from Linux – it make you a great reader... |
| [17:52:20] | msaul_: | lol |
| [17:52:28] | sphery: | yeah |
| [17:53:11] | sphery: | I would tell you what motherboard I got with my Athlon X2 5050e 45W processor, but if I do, many people will tell you not to get one like it |
| [17:53:36] | sphery: | (I bought a cheap brand that's not known for quality, but it's appropriate for my usage of the system.) |
| [17:53:51] | msaul_: | I have upstairs via wireless nic Good 64 bit HP pavillion machine 4 Ghz – Will test that out for the frontend. |
| [17:54:16] | msaul_: | Do frontends work OK with wireless nic cards or do you preferred WIRED connections? |
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| [17:54:25] | laga: | sphery: pc-chips is ewww ;) |
| [17:54:28] | clever: | depends on the video bitrates |
| [17:55:22] | eljefe: | hello, I have a hauppauge pvr-500 and can only see one of the tuners in mythtv. I tried to update the firmware (i think). Any ideas? |
| [17:55:56] | sphery: | laga: pc-chips is so last year... I'm up to ECS, now. :D |
| [17:56:02] | msaul_: | Anyways, good info. This will give me lots to work on – will let you know how it goes... |
| [17:56:03] | msaul_: | bye |
| [17:56:52] | sphery: | msaul_: many on the users list (or here, when around) could give you a lot more ideas about silent/pretty frontend design |
| [17:57:54] | sphery: | laga: yes, i realize that ECS and PCChips merged, so that was a joke |
| [17:58:09] | msaul_: | Thanks. I will come back periodically to get that info :) |
| [17:58:15] | sphery: | good luck |
| [17:58:23] | laga: | sphery: used to have a k7s5a which worked quite well ;) |
| [17:58:28] | jblack: | would anyone happen to know a cartoonist that would be willing to make a meals on wheels logo for charity? |
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| [17:58:34] | sphery: | I will promise that an appropriately-powered myth frontend is /much/ nicer to use than an underpowered one |
| [17:59:24] | sphery: | laga: yeah, in truth, both of my myth backends are PCChips/ECS mobos and /much/ more stable than some of my "good" mobos because they used tech that was old/well-tested when they were built |
| [18:00:03] | laga: | sphery: they could still use cheap caps etc |
| [18:00:31] | sphery: | Yeah. I had 3 that did, but then again, I had Asus and Gigabyte's from the same period that did. |
| [18:01:14] | laga: | yup |
| [18:01:34] | laga: | i consider gigabyte's tech support a joke, but i doubt ECS is better ;) |
| [18:01:46] | sphery: | Does ECS have tech support? |
| [18:02:45] | laga: | um, dunno |
| [18:03:11] | sphery: | That was a joke. The only time I've ever used tech support for real was calling Asus when the chipset fan on a 3-week-old mobo (I had planned to use for my master backend) died. They sent a better-quality replacement right out. But, the mobo used a particularly toasty design for a chipset and would overheat and cause memory corruption. |
| [18:03:23] | sphery: | So, I replaced that mobo with an ECS and it hasn't had an issue since. :) |
| [18:04:00] | sphery: | It was nasty tracking that issue down--it would run for 1 to 2 months before I had an issue. |
| [18:04:48] | eljefe: | do you guys run two separate computers? one for frontend and one for backend? |
| [18:05:28] | sphery: | I have 3. 2 backends and 1 frontend |
| [18:05:36] | sphery: | though you can have frontend and backend running on any system |
| [18:05:41] | eljefe: | yea thats what I have |
| [18:05:56] | eljefe: | whats the reason for those? |
| [18:06:00] | sphery: | so, my 2 backends /could/ also be frontends (if I needed more frontends and if I upgraded them so they could actually decode the shows they record in real time) |
| [18:06:11] | laga: | my frontend ais my backend is my desktop box |
| [18:06:20] | sphery: | or my frontend /could/ also run mythbackend |
| [18:06:33] | eljefe: | right, everything can do everything, so why separate? |
| [18:06:34] | sphery: | but I wanted a dedicated frontend that I could shut down when not in use |
| [18:06:37] | eljefe: | ah |
| [18:07:09] | kormoc: | backends traditionally are loud? |
| [18:07:17] | sphery: | yeah, lots of hard drives |
| [18:07:30] | eljefe: | this is the first time i *kinda* got myth working |
| [18:08:11] | eljefe: | whats some cool things that I just can't live without on myth? |
| [18:08:48] | laga: | eljefe: EPG? |
| [18:09:08] | kormoc: | mythweb! |
| [18:09:12] | ** kormoc toots his own horn ** | |
| [18:09:23] | eljefe: | ha, yea, but things that don't come in the original, plugins and stuff |
| [18:09:34] | laga: | eljefe: most third-party plugins suck |
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| [18:10:48] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: you must be really flexible... |
| [18:11:14] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [18:11:40] | ** wagnerrp cowers from the impending kick ** | |
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| [18:26:28] | eljefe: | kormoc, can you watch recorded tv through mythwed? |
| [18:26:32] | eljefe: | mythweb* |
| [18:26:59] | wagnerrp: | recorded, yes... live, no |
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| [18:28:26] | sphery: | kormoc: regarding your recommendation for the hostname resolution, ignore/don't support IPv6? |
| [18:29:31] | sphery: | kormoc: also, we can't use gethostbyname because it wouldn't work on networks without name resolution... I'm currently just looking up the address using the settings ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/attachment/ticket/ . . . d_find.patch ) |
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| [18:30:13] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [18:30:20] | kormoc: | that's true, ip2long won't work with ipv6 |
| [18:31:17] | kormoc: | yeah, I'd call that good |
| [18:31:22] | sphery: | I'm happy to use ip2long to see if it looks like it's already an IP address before doing the lookup (though doing so means we'd have to use the default port or do an "inverse" setting lookup to get the hostname associated with the BackendServerIP setting whose data is the passed in value) |
| [18:31:24] | kormoc: | just push them to properities |
| [18:31:47] | sphery: | so, just saying it /must/ be hostname makes it a /lot/ easier :) |
| [18:31:52] | kormoc: | Yeah |
| [18:32:11] | sphery: | if you have requests on the error handling of the given patch, I'm happy to fix it up |
| [18:32:11] | kormoc: | everything else is hostname based, so might as well enforce is :) |
| [18:32:18] | sphery: | cool |
| [18:32:24] | sphery: | what do you mean "push them to properities" |
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| [18:33:03] | sphery: | also, don't know if your (proper) style has a better way for creating local vars (the $hostname I created) |
| [18:33:20] | kormoc: | that works fine, it's just the ip won't be on context in the actual object |
| [18:33:46] | sphery: | Oh, and I /could/ write it so that if they pass in $host /and/ $port, we use the specified $port even if it disagrees with settings, but I thought that might be worse |
| [18:33:57] | kormoc: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . kend.php#L52 |
| [18:34:10] | eljefe: | is there a mythtv pip command? |
| [18:34:11] | sphery: | ah, so, make it a property and only look it up if we don't already have it? |
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| [18:34:33] | sphery: | and that way we keep both $host (name) and $ip |
| [18:34:49] | kormoc: | So around line #55, add in a $this->ip = setting('BackendServerIP', $host) |
| [18:35:12] | sphery: | eljefe: PiP is supported. Don't know the default key binding, but it should be visible in the (LiveTV) menu |
| [18:35:20] | sphery: | cool |
| [18:35:22] | sphery: | sounds good |
| [18:35:23] | kormoc: | so we'll look it up on creation of the actual object instance |
| [18:35:31] | sphery: | much easier than my approach :) |
| [18:35:34] | kormoc: | Yeah :) |
| [18:35:43] | eljefe: | sperhy: whats the hotkey for the livetv menu? |
| [18:35:50] | kormoc: | and from then on in all the non-static functions, $this->ip will map to the ip :) |
| [18:35:54] | sphery: | eljefe: M |
| [18:36:06] | eljefe: | thanks. is there a wiki with all of the key bindings? |
| [18:36:12] | sphery: | kormoc: thx... will update the patch |
| [18:36:40] | kormoc: | and so function connect should also use $this->ip rather then $this->host, as well as httpRequest |
| [18:36:49] | wagnerrp: | eljefe: yes, on the wiki |
| [18:36:50] | kormoc: | Heh, Thank you! :) |
| [18:36:54] | sphery: | eljefe: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings and please update (with default values--not ones you've mapped locally ;) if necessary |
| [18:38:21] | eljefe: | Thanks sphery! |
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| [18:39:29] | sphery: | kormoc: btw, I don't even know if Myth/Myth's usage of Qt4 supports IPv6, but wanted to verify the approach, anyway :) |
| [18:40:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | eljefe: There's also 'keys.txt'... although I don't know if it's up-to-date. ;-) |
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| [18:52:20] | sphery: | kormoc: re: $this->port = $port; can I change it to: $this->port = _or(setting('BackendServerPort', $host), $port); |
| [18:53:08] | kormoc: | yes |
| [18:53:15] | sphery: | kormoc: i.e. in theory, it's not required for each backend to use the same port. Ugliness is that if you specify a different port and we ignore it, it's kind of, er, bad? |
| [18:53:29] | kormoc: | yeah, that'd be great to fix |
| [18:54:35] | sphery: | OK. Didn't know whether you'd just want it to work or to do as it's told (i.e. use the specified port rather than the one the DB says is correct). |
| [18:54:52] | kormoc: | nah, just me coding in my nice little isoloated world ;) |
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| [18:57:55] | eljefe: | okay, so my image is a little off and I read that changing the video resoution to 720x480 would help, but where is that option? |
| [18:58:09] | iamlindoro: | Recording profiles |
| [18:58:16] | iamlindoro: | you realllllly need to read the manual |
| [18:58:20] | iamlindoro: | This is all daily use stuff |
| [18:58:33] | eljefe: | its a lot different than it used to be... |
| [18:58:43] | eljefe: | or i just can't remember anything |
| [18:58:44] | iamlindoro: | Um, that part hasn't changed, not even a little |
| [18:58:59] | sphery: | kormoc: by "if you specify a different port and we ignore it", I mean my approach would ignore what the dev/code asks--so not criticizing your code, but actually saying I like API's that do like your code better--i.e. they do what the programmer asks, even if it's wrong |
| [18:59:00] | iamlindoro: | or that |
| [19:00:24] | sphery: | eljefe: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Index is generally good info and, of course, the /real/ (completely correct) http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html |
| [19:00:40] | sphery: | Plus http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Daily_Use for "what to do now that it kind of works" |
| [19:01:37] | kormoc: | sphery, what you could do is... |
| [19:02:24] | kormoc: | function __construct($host, $port=null) { $this->port = _or($port, setting( |
| [19:02:34] | kormoc: | that way it defaults to the database one unless you tell it otherwise... |
| [19:04:51] | sphery: | preference? |
| [19:06:39] | sphery: | Actually, I like that way. I'll do it that way and you can change it when you commit if you prefer. |
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| [19:11:17] | sulan: | Would anyone have an idea why live tv video (not sound) stutters about once per second, it is very visible when video pans |
| [19:12:31] | iamlindoro: | System too slow, playback profile too wrong |
| [19:13:29] | Dagmar: | Bad sync rate, bad capture settings |
| [19:13:55] | iamlindoro: | audio tickboxes ticked that oughtn't be |
| [19:14:02] | iamlindoro: | poorly encoded program |
| [19:14:15] | Dagmar: | Excess predestination |
| [19:14:17] | jblack: | My frontend skips from time to time too. That's because the cpu isn't powerful enough. |
| [19:14:26] | iamlindoro: | bad signal |
| [19:17:10] | sphery: | heh, the decoder in my HDTV has the same issue (though only about once every several minutes)--and it's because it's on the edge of powerful enough |
| [19:17:34] | iamlindoro: | Now *that* would irritate me |
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| [19:18:03] | sphery: | fortunately, with Myth, I don't have to use the decoder in my HDTV (i.e. Michael Powell made me waste money buying a tuner/decoder for my HDTV that's really used as a monitor). |
| [19:18:59] | sphery: | iamlindoro: ATI Xilleon (though AMD bought ATI, but Xilleon has since been sold to Broadcom) |
| [19:19:12] | iamlindoro: | Yay |
| [19:19:14] | sphery: | I'd bet a /lot/ of HDTV's have the same issue |
| [19:19:14] | jblack: | It can get irritating at higher bitrates. I usually play at a low enough bitrate that it doesn't happen. |
| [19:19:20] | iamlindoro: | sounds like an evil lizard |
| [19:19:25] | sphery: | as they had some >60% of the market when I bought |
| [19:19:34] | iamlindoro: | jblack: Not referring to your issue, that's user-fixable |
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| [19:19:54] | iamlindoro: | You can buy a new CPU, sphery can't buy a new internal tuner for his HDTV |
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| [19:20:48] | sphery: | iamlindoro: but, I can do what they want me to do--buy a new TV |
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| [19:20:57] | iamlindoro: | yes you can :) |
| [19:21:05] | sphery: | just to spite them, though, I'm not doing it until Canon releases their SED TV! |
| [19:21:20] | eljefe: | I am trying to run myth in a window (i've got the box checked) but it just shows my top and bottom panels and no window around myth |
| [19:21:45] | sulan: | hmm, I have the exact same hardware (Apple MacMini 1.83GHz) running Ubuntu 8.10 that does not show the same issue (both running with the same backend) |
| [19:21:46] | sphery: | eljefe: window decorations are placed by your window manager, not by myth |
| [19:21:54] | sphery: | so change the window manager to tell it to decorate myth |
| [19:22:02] | iamlindoro: | Need to set dimensions less than the total of your screen... |
| [19:22:06] | sphery: | decorations = border, title bar, min/max/close buttons, etc |
| [19:22:08] | Dagmar: | sulan: Then either copy the hard disks or send one of them back as defective |
| [19:22:19] | iamlindoro: | ie run in a window won't do you any good if you don't change myth's geometry on the same screen... |
| [19:22:34] | eljefe: | oh, okay, I was hoping that I could resize on the fly |
| [19:22:38] | iamlindoro: | you can't |
| [19:22:49] | eljefe: | ah, so, what is the windowed mode for then? |
| [19:22:54] | iamlindoro: | running it in a window |
| [19:23:01] | iamlindoro: | predictably |
| [19:23:10] | eljefe: | so i have to set geoms and where it will be at |
| [19:23:13] | eljefe: | and then can't move it |
| [19:23:30] | iamlindoro: | you can move it |
| [19:23:45] | sulan: | ah, forgot to tell that it is 9.04 on the machines that exhibits the issue |
| [19:24:08] | sulan: | thanks for the ideas, will test more, or downgrade. |
| [19:25:25] | iamlindoro: | very unlikely to have anything to do with your distro version |
| [19:25:47] | eljefe: | sphery: is the decorations part of some myth command or do i have to go through compiz? |
| [19:26:47] | sulan: | iamlindoro: okay, so maybe the mythtv version? I run the ones available in the repository for each machine |
| [19:26:48] | wagnerrp: | decorations? |
| [19:26:59] | sphery: | If you get nothing after sizing the Myth window (in Appearance) to something smaller than the screen, you need to go through your window manager |
| [19:27:01] | iamlindoro: | sulan: No. |
| [19:27:18] | sphery: | which might be some kind of compiz thing |
| [19:27:39] | sphery: | don't remember if Compiz is both a Window Manager /and/ a Compositing Manager or just the latter. |
| [19:27:57] | iamlindoro: | We *listed* the things which could cause your issue, none of which are the reasons you've settled on |
| [19:28:03] | sphery: | seems it's a compositing window manager, so yeah, you'd go through Compiz |
| [19:28:28] | sulan: | iamlindoro: well, I'm going through the playback settings now |
| [19:29:00] | iamlindoro: | Slim |
| [19:29:09] | sulan: | i don't believe it's a capture problem since the same show plays back fine on the 8.10 mac |
| [19:31:42] | sulan: | trying Slim now |
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| [19:34:36] | sphery: | kormoc: I posted a new patch, but it's wrong :) and I'm trying to fix it. Actually defined the private field this time, but looking at the inits there, the "private $port = 6543;" is going to kill the "function __construct($host, $port = null)", right? So, I'd need to change it to "private $port = null;"? |
| [19:34:54] | sphery: | i.e. __construct would never be called without port, right? |
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| [19:35:38] | sulan: | iamlindoro: I'm not yet sure it's gone, but I believe it is! Thanks! Never been forced to mess with these settings before, so I learned something new. Thanks for the lesson! |
| [19:36:20] | sphery: | Too bad the chance of users actually choosing the right playback profile group are so Slim. |
| [19:36:40] | sphery: | The name "Slim" seems to turn away the "manly" myth users. |
| [19:37:04] | wagnerrp: | yes, the manly mythtv users, with their cute little minimacs |
| [19:37:23] | elmojo: | funny, apparently LiveTV is more reliable than recordings -> http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/388871#388871 |
| [19:38:03] | eljefe: | I've figured out/solved my issue (in case anybody cares or wants to do this later) using compiz, enabling shelf allows the resize of windows without recaching myths OSD. fullscreen to little screen by alt+super+scroll. I can move the screen my holding alt+click and dragging. |
| [19:38:12] | iamlindoro: | sulan: np |
| [19:38:58] | ** wagnerrp doesnt have a 'super' key ** | |
| [19:39:01] | sphery: | elmojo: /and/ with LiveTV you don't have to set appropriate end late values |
| [19:39:05] | eljefe: | windows key |
| [19:39:12] | wagnerrp: | ah |
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| [19:39:23] | wagnerrp: | never heard it called that before |
| [19:39:31] | eljefe: | but mines just a black key |
| [19:39:31] | sphery: | It's not super common |
| [19:39:40] | eljefe: | compiz calls it that is why |
| [19:40:11] | sphery: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_key_(keyboard_button) |
| [19:40:22] | sphery: | Really a Space-cadet thing |
| [19:40:32] | elmojo: | sphery: it's almost impossible for me to believe that claim, LiveTV has been quite unreliable ever since it went to using a LiveTVChain |
| [19:40:36] | eljefe: | lol okay wiki master |
| [19:40:47] | sphery: | heh |
| [19:41:21] | sphery: | yeah, I was just as surprised by that claim--especially since I've only had recordings fail due to non-Myth issues |
| [19:41:29] | sphery: | but I've locked up LiveTV a ton of times |
| [19:41:36] | elmojo: | same here |
| [19:41:58] | sphery: | and I /only/ use LiveTV for testing (so, we're talking about a 90% failure rate with LiveTV, here) |
| [19:42:12] | eljefe: | ooh and I even have wobbly window myth ooooh aaahh |
| [19:43:34] | sphery: | all my failed recordings due to things like the government's telling TV stations to change frequencies/shut down analog channels on their own schedules, instead of a specified date or power outages or ... |
| [19:45:10] | elmojo: | yep, I actually have no recollection of a failed recordings due to Myth ever in the past 4–5 years |
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| [19:46:26] | gbee: | I do, but then I live on the edge |
| [19:46:42] | gbee: | majority of failed recordings I see are driver or kernel related |
| [19:46:52] | iamlindoro: | I lose the occasionaly firewire recording |
| [19:46:55] | iamlindoro: | not myth's fault, though |
| [19:46:59] | iamlindoro: | er occasional |
| [19:47:50] | elmojo: | only problem I can remember is a rare zero-byte recording and I'm not convinced it's Myth related |
| [19:48:08] | gbee: | though I'd agree with that guy that myth could handle failures MUCH better, they simply aren't frequent enough to warrant my time atm and I don't like people tacking on feature requests to bug tickets (as he did earlier today) |
| [19:48:49] | sphery: | I've always said that gbee lives on the edge. |
| [19:49:55] | gbee: | just an inch away from losing my sanity completely |
| [19:50:06] | msphobia: | does anyone know of a way to do lossless transcoding for HDPVR recordings? I ran across http://monopedilos.com/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=hdpvrcutter.pl but it seems to depend on the avidemux project mythcommflag patch which is no longer maintained |
| [19:50:48] | iamlindoro: | dd and byte offsets |
| [19:50:49] | sphery: | gbee: in the US, we call those "riders"... It's how we get the legislature to approve things they should /never/ approve. I'm guessing he's just a very well-informed citizen (or politician) in the US. :) |
| [19:51:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro: but dont byte offset more than you can chew |
| [19:51:37] | iamlindoro: | Indeed |
| [19:54:39] | gbee: | sphery: OT yeah, I'm fascinated by that stuff, can't understand how any government can work that way, I honestly don't know what the rules are over here, but you don't get people tagging on completely unrelated amendments to bills |
| [19:55:05] | wagnerrp: | woo! after 6 years, my logs will no longer be filled with failed ssh attempts |
| [19:55:22] | sphery: | wagnerrp: fwknop? |
| [19:55:40] | wagnerrp: | na, just changed it to public-key only |
| [19:55:44] | sphery: | oh |
| [19:55:44] | gbee: | e.g. Gun related law changes tagged onto Agriculture bills ... how is that crap allowed to happen? |
| [19:55:57] | wagnerrp: | and then set up another instance of sshd on a random port to let me in if need be |
| [19:55:57] | eljefe: | government is messed up. |
| [19:56:04] | gbee: | wagnerrp: nah, you'll still have logs filled with failed attempts |
| [19:56:11] | wagnerrp: | through some chrooted jailbox |
| [19:56:52] | wagnerrp: | gbee: nope, it makes no entry in either auth.log or messages |
| [19:57:30] | gbee: | I've been public-key only for at least 4 years, still get an auth.log full of attempts, taken to running denyhosts to shut them down |
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| [19:58:59] | elmojo: | another funny one -> http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=135750 |
| [19:58:59] | wagnerrp: | seems however my syslog/ssh is set up, its not logging them |
| [19:59:11] | sphery: | wagnerrp: I love fwknop... With it, when I travel to a hotel with "High-speed Internet" that blocks /all/ traffic except port 80 and port 443, I can use fwknop to temporarily redirect port 443 traffic from the hotel's 'net-facing IP address to port 22, instead (for 30 seconds), giving me time to connect an SSH client, then after it times out, I can still use my https server from the hotel's IP... It's beautiful! |
| [19:59:28] | elmojo: | people reporting bugs against private beta releases that require an NDA |
| [19:59:29] | sphery: | it's nice even if you have good authentication set up |
| [19:59:46] | sphery: | my ssh port is never open |
| [20:00:02] | sphery: | until I send the appropriate encrypted single-packet authorization |
| [20:00:14] | kormoc: | sphery, the constructor right now never gets called without a port, but might as well allow it if they want |
| [20:00:37] | sphery: | and since it's a single packet, it works even with hotels with multiple 'net connections (where port knocking won't work) |
| [20:00:38] | wagnerrp: | sphery: thats the thing, i dont want to have to carry around some auth key with me |
| [20:00:57] | clever: | sphery: and in my case, i often need to auth from a palm based OS |
| [20:01:06] | sphery: | well, you're carrying your ssh key, right? :) |
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| [20:01:24] | clever: | sphery: i have an ssh private key on the phone, but i sometimes loose it |
| [20:01:49] | wagnerrp: | i have it on my laptop, but aside from that, ive just used password login for everything |
| [20:02:02] | sphery: | wagnerrp: although, I wrote a little PHP page that allows a friend of mine to use fwknop on his myth box without carrying the fwknop client (or the key)--just needs his http user/pass |
| [20:02:14] | sphery: | runs fwknop on the local system |
| [20:02:44] | sphery: | he needed it primarily for the hotel-blocking-port-22 thing |
| [20:03:01] | jblack: | wagnerrp: I have a micro-usb key fob. It's barely the size of a micro-sd card. Without it, no /home on my computer. :) |
| [20:03:19] | sphery: | kormoc: so, that means just init the port to null and use the _or in __construct to specify 6543 last? |
| [20:03:56] | wagnerrp: | jblack: i do have a SD/USB card, but im not carrying something that small around by itself |
| [20:04:00] | kormoc: | sure |
| [20:04:18] | sphery: | thx |
| [20:04:30] | iamlindoro: | That's what she said |
| [20:04:59] | kormoc: | I'm always happy to please the ladies! |
| [20:05:25] | iamlindoro: | Any of the preceding three would work |
| [20:05:39] | wagnerrp: | what do you need them for, i thought you could toot your own horn |
| [20:05:48] | jblack: | wagnerrp: Oh, I keep it on my keyring. |
| [20:05:52] | iamlindoro: | "sure," "thx", and my personal favorite, "I'm not carrying something that small around by itslef" |
| [20:06:22] | jblack: | It's encrypted with a very, very long passphrase. Unlock it, and you get the keys to all my other encrypted filesystems |
| [20:06:43] | kormoc: | jblack, but you used the same key as my luggage! |
| [20:06:58] | wagnerrp: | 12345, repeating of course... |
| [20:06:59] | sphery: | very, very long passphrase = 1, 2, ... 3, ... ... , 4, ... ... ... 5 |
| [20:07:01] | jblack: | damn. I would have thought 12345 repeated five time swould be secure... |
| [20:07:42] | jblack: | I know. my passphrase is "password" written in morse code. |
| [20:07:42] | sphery: | jblack: you have to alternate... 1234554321123455432112345stop |
| [20:07:52] | sphery: | and see how I threw in stop at the end, just to make it more secure |
| [20:09:09] | sphery: | I find that using aaaaaaa as the first 7 characters of all my Lanman passwords is a great way to throw people off |
| [20:09:52] | eljefe: | you guys don't just use qwerty for all your passwords? |
| [20:10:00] | iamlindoro: | asdsfjkl; |
| [20:10:06] | laga: | eljefe: i use qwertz |
| [20:10:32] | sphery: | eljefe: ',.pyf |
| [20:10:35] | sphery: | dvorak |
| [20:10:44] | jblack: | dvorak passwords are ironically less efficient |
| [20:10:46] | eljefe: | you can get free internet at airports/hotspots by using john/qwerty usually |
| [20:10:49] | iamlindoro: | wwssadadba<enter> |
| [20:10:59] | iamlindoro: | (which is the konami code in FPS commands) |
| [20:11:01] | sphery: | eljefe: no way? |
| [20:11:13] | eljefe: | yea, usually |
| [20:11:27] | eljefe: | john / john1 / john01, it lets you try forever |
| [20:11:39] | sphery: | wow |
| [20:11:40] | eljefe: | bruteforce logins like that with qwerty. |
| [20:11:46] | eljefe: | iv |
| [20:11:53] | eljefe: | spent too muych time in airports i guess |
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| [20:17:11] | wagnerrp: | apparently three have been charged with trying to descramble DISH signals |
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| [20:18:27] | eljefe: | from space? |
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| [20:19:02] | RyeBrye: | wagnerrp: "trying to" you mean they didn't succeeed? |
| [20:19:08] | wagnerrp: | yes, the first part of their plan was to build a spacecraft capable of getting them into orbit, and then supporting them while up there |
| [20:19:19] | laga: | um, i guess i should stop running SETI@home then. |
| [20:21:46] | RyeBrye: | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2009/ . . . nspiracy.ars ah |
| [20:22:26] | wagnerrp: | they were trying to descramble signals from DishNetwork, not just signals from a parabolic dish |
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| [20:26:41] | iamlindoro: | AIUI most of those folks outsource the decryption work to russia and korea to prevent that kind of thing from happening |
| [20:26:59] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like in addition to being theives, they are morons |
| [20:27:15] | wagnerrp: | wealthy morons apparently |
| [20:27:24] | wagnerrp: | they dumped quite a chunk of change into the attempt |
| [20:27:31] | eljefe: | yea |
| [20:27:34] | jblack: | Infringers, not thieves. At worst. |
| [20:27:53] | iamlindoro: | theives |
| [20:27:54] | eljefe: | dishtv is free compared to those costs. |
| [20:28:15] | iamlindoro: | sorry, but trying to dress it up as anything but theft is disingenuous |
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| [20:28:34] | jblack: | theft requires illicit removal of property. Period. |
| [20:28:41] | jblack: | want to argue that it's immoral, fine |
| [20:28:45] | eljefe: | i dunno, if their signal is hitting my property... |
| [20:28:45] | jblack: | but don't call it the wrong thing |
| [20:28:52] | jams: | either way it wn't be argued here |
| [20:28:54] | wagnerrp: | well in this case it is theft of service |
| [20:29:19] | wagnerrp: | consider bringing someone into your house, having them clean, and then kicking them out without paying them |
| [20:29:40] | iamlindoro: | You are taking something from someone which by all accounts you should be paying for, without the owner's consent-- that's theft. |
| [20:29:48] | iamlindoro: | ah, sorry jams, ok |
| [20:30:55] | jams: | it's been discussed many many many many times with the same result. |
| [20:31:33] | eljefe: | does anybody transcode to .avi? |
| [20:32:10] | wagnerrp: | there are a couple scripts and guides on the wiki, for the purpose of exporting to hardware devices |
| [20:32:46] | eljefe: | yea, i was hoping somebody had done it already because there are lots of ways to do it and I wanted opinions on the best/fastest |
| [20:33:40] | wagnerrp: | have you ever clipped commercials before? |
| [20:34:00] | eljefe: | no |
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| [20:34:09] | eljefe: | but that isn't an issue to much |
| [20:34:15] | wagnerrp: | well youre going to want to do that manually |
| [20:34:30] | eljefe: | the auto one doesn't handle it so well? |
| [20:34:56] | wagnerrp: | you can copy the skiplist over to the cutlist, and transcode, but you really should check the skiplist before doing so |
| [20:35:20] | wagnerrp: | its often accurate, its sometimes not, and its rarely dead on |
| [20:35:32] | eljefe: | yea, i wasn't concerned so much about commericals, just getting it into the .avi for the xbox |
| [20:35:36] | sphery: | inordkuo: if you get a chance, I'd be very happy if you could test mythweb-6700-add_ip_address_to_MythBackend_class.2.patch after removing mythweb-6700-resolve_hostname_in_MythBackend_find.patch (both at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6700 ). I'm 99.9999% positive it will work, but since I can't test, a confirmation would be nice. Thanks, again, for all the testing. patch -Rp to remove an old patch--just in case. |
| [20:36:09] | sphery: | actually, tested the local case, but can't test remotes on a network without name resolution |
| [20:36:15] | wagnerrp: | aside from that, its just one 'ffmpeg' or 'mencoder' or 'vlc' line for the transcoding, whichever is your preference |
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| [20:37:32] | wagnerrp: | the internal transcoder will output nuvs, but you can probably just remux those straight into an avi if you want |
| [20:38:01] | wagnerrp: | it does mpeg4asp+mp3 by default, which should be compatible with any decoder that will play divx files |
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| [20:39:17] | eljefe: | i think i need avi or wmv – its for xbox streaming |
| [20:40:27] | jams: | iamlindoro- are you located in CO or CA or someplace else? |
| [20:40:35] | iamlindoro: | jams: CA |
| [20:40:42] | jams: | k |
| [20:40:45] | iamlindoro: | why? |
| [20:41:03] | jams: | I knew it was one of those two but couldn't remember which one. |
| [20:43:14] | wagnerrp: | eljefe: avi is just a container, it tells you nothing about what form the audio and video are inside |
| [20:43:25] | eljefe: | yes |
| [20:43:39] | eljefe: | sorry, I need xvid/divx and probably mp3 |
| [20:43:57] | wagnerrp: | well divx and xvid are just different forms of mpeg4 asp |
| [20:44:13] | wagnerrp: | so the built in transcode will probably generate compatible raw streams |
| [20:44:19] | wagnerrp: | you just need to remux them afterwards |
| [20:44:43] | wagnerrp: | from nuv to avi |
| [20:45:27] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, nuvexport is a fairly general purpose transcoder to be run as a user job |
| [20:48:28] | eljefe: | okay, so as a job right after it finishes recording i can have it remux that recording without any input yea? |
| [20:49:22] | wagnerrp: | you just wait for it to finish transcoding, and then run the proper ffmpeg command |
| [20:49:36] | wagnerrp: | not sure what the syntax would be off hand |
| [20:49:59] | eljefe: | sure i just want the jist so I have a direction |
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| [20:59:16] | Dr{Who}: | mythtvosd will display text what If i want to display a photo or image? |
| [20:59:29] | wagnerrp: | use mythgallery |
| [21:00:26] | Dr{Who}: | is that usable while I am watching tv etc simmilar to mythtvosd? |
| [21:00:47] | wagnerrp: | nope, just another media plugin like video or music |
| [21:00:57] | Dr{Who}: | hmm ok so its not an OSD |
| [21:01:01] | wagnerrp: | but its currently the only mechanism to display arbitrary images in mythtv |
| [21:01:08] | Dr{Who}: | k |
| [21:01:38] | wagnerrp: | the popup mechanism in mythtv is getting reworked for 0.22 and mythui |
| [21:01:48] | wagnerrp: | such that it will work anywhere, not just over the playback window |
| [21:01:58] | wagnerrp: | but i dont know if it supports images, or just text |
| [21:02:22] | wagnerrp: | rather, i dont know what the intentions of the write are, i dont think it has been worked on yet |
| [21:02:30] | Dr{Who}: | sounds like a good feature request. Currently my soon to be retired tivo has an osd device that I can inject images into. so when someone walks in front of my security camera zoneminder sends it to my tivo where i run a script to dispaly it. feature I dont want to loose. |
| [21:02:32] | inordkuo: | sphery: will give it a go in a bit |
| [21:03:57] | wagnerrp: | zoneminder has the capacity to output mjpeg, right? |
| [21:04:27] | Dr{Who}: | yes |
| [21:05:16] | wagnerrp: | im just wondering how easy it would be to capture that using a 'tuner', and flipping to picture-in-picture |
| [21:05:59] | wagnerrp: | ive been meaning to get zoneminder working |
| [21:06:04] | Dr{Who}: | hmm my tivo does have a way to let me remote control ie switch channels. I supposed if mythtv allows for the PIP button to be remotely clicked then sure |
| [21:06:16] | wagnerrp: | but my cameras are v4l2 framegrabbers, which zoneminder doesnt like too much |
| [21:06:31] | Dr{Who}: | though it would require zoneminder to be constantly streeming |
| [21:06:50] | wagnerrp: | no it wouldnt |
| [21:06:50] | Dibblah: | Uhm... MythZoneMinder? |
| [21:06:53] | Dibblah: | Plugin. |
| [21:06:57] | wagnerrp: | it would just show up as live tv |
| [21:07:26] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if you could do a livetv PIP over a recording playback window |
| [21:07:39] | Dr{Who}: | ok if the capture cards are on the same system as mythtv |
| [21:09:04] | wagnerrp: | Dibblah: i was speculating on a way to better integrate that, than have you back all the way out from where ever you are, and go into another plugin |
| [21:10:50] | Dr{Who}: | MythZoneMinder looks good for integrating all of zoneminder very cool. |
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| [21:14:01] | gbee: | wagnerrp: at this stage those popup/notification changes _may_ get pushed back to 0.23 :/ |
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| [21:20:01] | Dr{Who}: | most dvr's i have played with force all OSD to be an image and you have to convert text to the image first. So the only need of the system is to provide an overlay OSD at all times. |
| [21:23:54] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, http://store.steampowered.com/app/32360/ *yay* |
| [21:24:07] | iamlindoro: | !!! |
| [21:24:12] | ** iamlindoro "goes home early" ** | |
| [21:24:15] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [21:24:39] | iamlindoro: | Was planning on buying it on xbox, but PC would be much nicer |
| [21:24:54] | kormoc: | "Purists will also delight in the ability to seamlessly switch between the updated hand-drawn re-imagining and the original classic version." |
| [21:25:52] | iamlindoro: | yeah, that part is cool |
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| [21:44:51] | gbee: | hmm, wonder whether that would run ok under wine |
| [21:45:25] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Got TOMI working okay in WINE, so I have high hopes for this version |
| [21:45:33] | iamlindoro: | Will let you know tomorrow :) |
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| [21:48:46] | gbee: | don't ask how, but I've never played any of the series, just a short demo at some point |
| [21:48:56] | iamlindoro: | :O |
| [21:49:07] | kormoc: | :O |
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| [21:50:39] | iamlindoro: | Are you... ok? |
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| [21:50:59] | ** kormoc calls a witch doctor ** | |
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| [22:01:08] | inordkuo: | sphery: still works |
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| [22:14:17] | kormoc: | Ha! http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/15/quadrillion. . . . h/index.html |
| [22:18:30] | gbee: | saw that earlier |
| [22:22:35] | gbee: | I like the fact that he didn't get an explanation, obviously accidentally charging people 23 Quadrillion dollars happens so regularly that they don't think it needs explaining ;) |
| [22:22:59] | kormoc: | I liked the $15 extra charge |
| [22:33:14] | gbee: | $15 for going $23 Quadrillion overdrawn is pretty reasonable, my bank would have dispatched a hit squad |
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| [22:35:12] | gbee: | heh, that CNN version actually does have an explanation, BBC report earlier in the day said that none had been given at that time |
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| [22:57:06] | janneg: | gbee: the explenation is 2314885530818450000 = 0x2020202020201250 |
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| [22:58:45] | kormoc: | I just wonder at why all the $12.50 charges were padded out and none of the others were |
| [23:00:19] | iamlindoro: | UPS too slow |
| [23:00:30] | iamlindoro: | Supposed to get my HD-PVR back today, still haven't arrived... |
| [23:00:35] | kormoc: | I agree |
| [23:00:42] | kormoc: | my mac mini is in Alaska.... |
| [23:00:46] | iamlindoro: | customs? |
| [23:00:52] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: is that the HD-PVR you mounted inside your case? |
| [23:00:56] | kormoc: | nope, cleared, just sitting there |
| [23:01:09] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, yes, but ssshhhhh, it went back to Hauppauge in the case ;) |
| [23:01:15] | elmojo: | hehe |
| [23:01:23] | ** kormoc wonders if he could shove a hdpvr into a mac mini ** | |
| [23:01:30] | iamlindoro: | and since it's an eaaaaaarly revision there's no way to retrofit it to be current, I get a new one back :) |
| [23:01:54] | elmojo: | sweet |
| [23:01:56] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, it's quite easy to get out, you could build a stackable matching case for it easily |
| [23:02:13] | iamlindoro: | though the board's footprint is probably a little bigger than the mini based on my recollection |
| [23:02:19] | kormoc: | oh well |
| [23:02:51] | iamlindoro: | hmm, maybe it's not |
| [23:02:52] | iamlindoro: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mounting_the_HD-PVR_Internally |
| [23:03:11] | iamlindoro: | That actually looks pretty close to what I recall the mini footpring being-- good thing I took photos :) |
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| [23:04:53] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, at least it doesn't have far to go when it starts moving |
| [23:05:08] | kormoc: | http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ministack/HD_Enclosure_Kits |
| [23:05:12] | ** kormoc eyes those ** | |
| [23:05:18] | kormoc: | Heh, true... |
| [23:05:27] | kormoc: | But those Canadians are out to get me... |
| [23:05:30] | ** kormoc eyes the border ** | |
| [23:05:46] | iamlindoro: | Is that what Sarah Palin quit to do? |
| [23:05:55] | iamlindoro: | patrol the Canada-US border? |
| [23:06:42] | kormoc: | Likely |
| [23:06:44] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: sphery brought up a reasonable concern related to the HD-PVR being USB and the possibility of the USB connection staying reliable for long periods of time |
| [23:06:47] | janneg: | kormoc: not my bug |
| [23:07:10] | ** kormoc peers at janneg ** | |
| [23:07:21] | kormoc: | ooh, right |
| [23:07:23] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: have you experienced anything unreliable with USB on your system |
| [23:07:29] | janneg: | iamlindoro: maybe she's looking for the russia-alaska boarder |
| [23:07:32] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, I have not experienced an issue with the HD-PVR |
| [23:07:41] | iamlindoro: | janneg, Heh, I don't think she could find it on the *map* |
| [23:07:50] | elmojo: | good, i'm still on the fence about getting one |
| [23:08:03] | iamlindoro: | elmojo, I think that that issue tends to affect specific tuners and USB chipsets |
| [23:08:14] | iamlindoro: | but My experience with my particular hardware has been good |
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| [23:08:49] | janneg: | iamlindoro: I thinks she's looking for it out of her window |
| [23:09:01] | iamlindoro: | That's the best place for her :) |
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| [23:11:10] | gbee: | janneg: huh |
| [23:11:31] | kormoc: | gbee, %20 is url encoded spaces, I'd wager it's a webservice |
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| [23:14:17] | gbee: | raises more questions that it answers :) |
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| [23:19:54] | janneg: | I think it's nice to know that visa can aperently handle amounts up to at least 2^63/100 |
| [23:20:29] | ** kormoc auctions off the solar system ** | |
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| [23:21:05] | gbee: | hehe |
| [23:21:44] | jblack: | planning ahead for when the US gets zimbabwee type inflation.. :) |
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| [23:23:39] | iamlindoro: | gbee, I was thinking about adding an alternate= attribute to font definitions-- any objections to that or way you'd like to see that done? |
| [23:23:54] | gbee: | or they are hoping to attract bankers looking to spend this years bonus cheques |
| [23:25:04] | gbee: | iamlindoro: no thoughts right now, probably because I'm about 30 seconds from falling asleep at this desk |
| [23:25:11] | iamlindoro: | no worries |
| [23:25:14] | iamlindoro: | thanks |
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| [23:27:02] | gbee: | an html/css style maybe, comma separated list? That way you could specify any number of fallbacks in priority order |
| [23:27:17] | gbee: | s/priority/preference/ |
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| [23:28:05] | gbee: | face="Arial,Tahoma, Helvatica,Comic Sans MS" |
| [23:28:57] | gbee: | assuming that's what you meant by alternate? |
| [23:29:17] | iamlindoro: | yeah, had thought of actually doing it as a second parsed value, but that works too |
| [23:29:27] | iamlindoro: | !trout gbee comicsans |
| [23:29:28] | ** MythLogBot slaps gbee with a comicsans trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [23:29:37] | iamlindoro: | NO! |
| [23:29:56] | ** gbee chuckles ** | |
| [23:30:12] | gbee: | now I know what font I'm using for my next theme |
| [23:30:20] | kormoc: | So you prefer Comic Surf MS? |
| [23:30:28] | iamlindoro: | MakeAllFontLoversCry Sans? |
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| [23:32:27] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, and here I thought you liked the dark knight... |
| [23:33:24] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Herm? |
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| [23:34:57] | kormoc: | "he decided to create a new face based on the lettering style of comic books he had in his office, specifically The Dark Knight Returns (lettered by John Costanza) and Watchmen (lettered by Dave Gibbons)." |
| [23:35:00] | kormoc: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_Sans |
| [23:35:05] | ** iamlindoro shudders ** | |
| [23:35:11] | iamlindoro: | nothing wrong with it as a font per se |
| [23:35:17] | iamlindoro: | just used for SO much *stupid* stuff |
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| [23:36:35] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, like Canadian Currency! http://web.archive.org/web/20060210170001/www . . . oto-3501.jpg |
| [23:36:43] | iamlindoro: | hehehe |
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| [23:42:18] | ** kormoc yawns and wants to go home ** | |
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| [23:42:43] | ** J-e-f-f-A yawns as he's watching tv at home... ;-) ** | |
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| [23:42:56] | ** iamlindoro wants his HD-PVR to get home ** | |
| [23:43:03] | ** kormoc refreshes ups's site ** | |
| [23:43:55] | ** kormoc wonders if they're using a dogsled to bring the mac mini to him ** | |
| [23:44:39] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/sans.png |
| [23:44:43] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, ^^ |
| [23:45:07] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [23:47:10] | iamlindoro: | It's PERFECT now! |
| [23:47:33] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs too! ;-) hehehehehe ** | |
| [23:48:18] | iamlindoro: | Trying to find a workable font that everyone should have-- Liberation sans looks okay, but I am having a hell of a time figuring out what Qt expects certain fonts to be called |
| [23:49:21] | awalls: | xlsfonts ? |
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| [23:57:03] | cornell: | Good evening all... We were having a discussion about my poor graphics, and I seemed to get the idea that I really need to get a card, instead of using the embedded VIA. A recommendation of an nvidia 9400 was made. |
| [23:57:49] | cornell: | I'm finding mostly PCI-express 9400's, and a few PCI, which is much slower. My box has empty PCI slots and one labeled AGP1. |
| [23:57:54] | iamlindoro: | yikes |
| [23:58:02] | iamlindoro: | if you are using a VIA box, better to just scrap the whole thing |
| [23:58:25] | cornell: | Any recommendations for a graphics card that plays well with linux/myth and is AGP? |
| [23:58:50] | cornell: | I've been using this box for myth for several years without displeasure ;-) |
| [23:59:30] | iamlindoro: | Point being that box is a upgrade dead end |
| [23:59:40] | cornell: | There's that |
| [23:59:43] | iamlindoro: | Don't throw good money after bad |
| [23:59:57] | iamlindoro: | If it makes you happy, use that system, but upgrading it is just a waste |
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