Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, July 14th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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kormoc:

I've been planning to, along with inline editing of a pile of the stuff based on tablekit

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iamlindoro:

cool

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Guest91866:

kormoc: Hi again! I'm back with the same problem, anyway now I've been able to scan Analog and DVB-S, no way with DVB-T... the log shows this error: DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 4

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kormoc:

that is beyond me I'm afraid, I think you'll do well posting that to mythtv-users and seeing if anyone else has run into it or researching it on linuxtv.org

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knowledgejunkie:

Guest91866: that warning is normal for DVB-T

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iamlindoro:

That's not an error

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iamlindoro:

and yeah, normal for DVB-T, which has no DiSEqC

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Guest91866:

kormoc: ok, anyway I tried to import a channel list generated with dvbscan

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Guest91866:

is there another way to tell the channel scanner to scan the right multiplex...

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knowledgejunkie:

do a tuned scan of the multplex in question

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knowledgejunkie:

Guest91866: what version of MythTV are you running?

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Guest91866:

so I have to manually insert the multiplex of my area? Version 0.21

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Guest91866:

is there a way to import multiplex list?

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knowledgejunkie:

possibly. the channel scanner is a work in progress and will hopefully work when 0.22 is released. it is currently broken in trunk for DVB-T/DVB-S and gave me a lot of problems in 0.21 scanning for DVB-T

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knowledgejunkie:

that's what the importing of channels.conf should do. do you have any multiplexes available in the channel scanner?

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Guest91866:

No it is emply... if I manually insert multiplex into Transport tab of the channel scanner, do you think I'll be able to scan them (anyway I'm gonna try)...

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iamlindoro:

knowledgejunkie, Is DVB-T analogous to DVB-S in that once you have one multiplex scanned, you can do a scan of existing transports and pick them all up?

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knowledgejunkie:

allegedly

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knowledgejunkie:

my logs during scanning in trunk showed that each DVB-T mux was aware of the others

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kormoc:

It's a SlicerDicer! How goes the new location?

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SlicerDicer:

kormoc: not bad :)

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SlicerDicer:

I have Motorola Boxes that are not 5C ;-) LOL

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kormoc:

oh, nice :)

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kormoc:

You should hook Beirdo up ;)

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SlicerDicer:

he has problems

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SlicerDicer:

Liberty is angry at him :/

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kormoc:

ooh?

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SlicerDicer:

they wont drill under his road

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kormoc:

youch

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SlicerDicer:

aye

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knowledgejunkie:

iamlindoro: i've got a couple of tickets regarding the channel scanner – there are issues with scanning and inserting channels, the latter looks likely related to problems with networkid

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iamlindoro:

knowledgejunkie, Yeah, I'm eager to see the new scanner come together, hopefully *pre* .22 instead of during :)

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knowledgejunkie:

iamlindoro: agreed. imo it would be a mistake to release 0.22 with it broken

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Guest91866:

when do you think it will be released the .22 with workin DVB channel scanner?

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knowledgejunkie:

Guest91866: when it's ready

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Guest91866:

:-) Guess what!

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knowledgejunkie:

Guest91866: i did not have a problem yesterday important a dvb-t channels.conf and getting the channels working though (trunk @ 20830)

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Guest91866:

ok, that why I installed .22 but then I downgraded it...

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iamlindoro:

you should *not* be running trunk, Guest91866

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iamlindoro:

.21 is correct

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wagnerrp:

looks like google has released an NX server, to anyone who uses X remotely

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Guest91866:

ok, I have to wait... that's why I asked for a release forecast... weeks? months? years?

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iamlindoro:

decades

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iamlindoro:

millenia

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iamlindoro:

epochs

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iamlindoro:

no, wait, the second one

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iamlindoro:

not years, not (many) months, but not days

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wagnerrp:

ages of man

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knowledgejunkie:

Hubble constants

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iamlindoro:

anyhoo, "in the next couple months"

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Guest91866:

ok, thanks :-)

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wagnerrp:

libraries of congress

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iamlindoro:

I remain unconvinced that this isn't a configuration issue

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, so, is compiling fixed on FreeBSD now?

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knowledgejunkie:

i'll look at the log on beirdo's logger

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wagnerrp:

i saw a response on that ticket, but i didnt see any new changesets

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wagnerrp:

oh... 20888, 10 minutes ago

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

well lets try it out...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that fixed it

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iamlindoro:

cool

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wagnerrp:

and i dont seem to be getting some spurious ': Permission Denied' line anymore either

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iamlindoro:

well, neatx seems to build, not that I have time to test it right now

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wagnerrp:

should i bother with a 'confirmation' comment?

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iamlindoro:

Think he already closed it

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iamlindoro:

you could just tell him :)

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wagnerrp:

ok

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wagnerrp:

so did 'NinjaNumberNine' not understand the simple concept of not taunting someone who just opped themselves?

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iamlindoro:

guess not

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sphery:

did I miss some kickbanning fun?

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iamlindoro:

yes you did!

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sphery:

d'oh!

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wagnerrp:

around 3 hours ago

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sphery:

think of all the times I won't understand the jokes when you all are quoting the conversation in the future...

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wagnerrp:

hahahhahahahah

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sphery:

heh, so I went and read scrollback... well worth it--and now I can make jokes, too :)

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iamlindoro:

welcome to the club

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iamlindoro:

we'll get you signed up for the secret mailing list later

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sphery:

sweet

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awalls:

I was so looking forward to iamlindoro's new handle (though the chances of it happening was 10 ^-12)

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iamlindoro:

alas!

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iamlindoro:

I try never to make bets I don't know I'll win ;)

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awalls:

I'll have to use a new nick tomorrow....

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awalls:

:)

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cornell:

iamlindoro: How you doin'? I was thinking about some conversation last evening, and got to wondering about getting a graphics card for the slave (my primary front end). Any suggestions for a graphics card that 1) plays well with myth and 2) is cheap?

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cornell:

TTFN

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iamlindoro:

cornell, Anything nvidia 8xxx or greater

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iamlindoro:

a 9400 or 9500 is a really ncie choice, and can be had for very very little

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knowledgejunkie:

cornell: I'd try to get a silent 9400

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psm321:

anyone around?

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psm321:

i had a long-winded question, but i guess what it basically boils down to is, is there any way to have myth prefer getting the global pre-/post-roll in to conserving tuners?

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sgtpepper:

this is really weird... why when I change channels mythtv (live tv) stops working untill I reboot

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sgtpepper:

btw tvtime works great

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sgtpepper:

just mythtv

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sgtpepper:

I can read the channel guide perfectly also

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knowledgejunkie:

psm321: can you rephrase the last part of the sentence

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knowledgejunkie:

sgtpepper: have you checked the frontend logfile/console output? are you changing to a channel that is off air? what type of capture card are you using?

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sgtpepper:

checked the output => ) http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1493871 changing a channel on air, and I'm using a bt878, but it hapenned also with an saa7134

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sgtpepper:

knowledgejunkie: don't know what might be

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sgtpepper:

any thoughts?

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sgtpepper:

any place where I can post the error? a forum or bugzilla maybe?

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knowledgejunkie:

the mythtv-users mailing list is best

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knowledgejunkie:

what distro are you running? have you updated to a new kernel recently?

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knowledgejunkie:

sgtpepper: also, has it ever worked properly?

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sgtpepper:

never

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sgtpepper:

fresh install

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sgtpepper:

Fedora 11

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cornell:

First, my apologies for asking and running... the other half got home a tad early and I had to scamper

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knowledgejunkie:

sgtpepper: perhaps restart mythbacked and mythfrontend and pastebin the logs from both? try to start livetv, change channels, and then try to start live tv again. then pastebin the logs

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cornell:

Second, I do backscroll and saw your suggestions iamlindoro and knowledgejunkie.

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knowledgejunkie:

sgtpepper: start using the default logging of 'important,normal' for both

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cornell:

And I will definitely check into nvidia 8xxxx or greater, starting with 9400

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** cornell is puzzling about "silent", but figures, he'll learn. **

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knowledgejunkie:

it makes no noise

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cornell:

Thank you gentlemen, or gentleladies, for all I know.

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knowledgejunkie:

i.e. no fan on the card

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sgtpepper:

let me try knowledgejunkie

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cornell:

My effort here is to get something that's not going to give me problems, and not break the bank ;-)

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cornell:

Woof... one too many glasses of wine, I have to retype every line ;-)

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knowledgejunkie:

no problem, a cheap nvidia 8xxx should be fine

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cornell:

(thank heaven for cut and paste)

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cornell:

;-)

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knowledgejunkie:

cornell: if you're interested in playing back HDTV, take a look at http://mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau

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cornell:

Ah silent... heatsink, no fan

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sgtpepper:

knowledgejunkie: I got something... pastibinnig it

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cornell:

Amazon talks about a sparkle nvidia 9400.... I'm guessing this is another case of nvidia making the chips and somebody else making the card...

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knowledgejunkie:

cornell: indeed

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psm321:

knowledgejunkie: eh, i'll write out the long version some other day :)

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cornell:

mmm, ASUS also, but that's in pounds...

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sgtpepper:

knowledgejunkie: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1494261 ... a bit cryptical but maybe it make sense for you

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cornell:

Oh... lot's of 9400's, cool that'll keep me busy

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** cornell must remember not to type in chat rooms after one too many glasses of wine **

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cornell:

In any case, I thank you gentlemen for your leads.

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cornell:

And your kind.... indulgence

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cornell:

TTFN, and I shan't bother you... till tomorrow, when I've not had too many.

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knowledgejunkie:

cornell: enjoy the evening :)

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sgtpepper:

knowledgejunkie: weird huh?

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cornell:

Wow... EVGA GeForce 9400 GT Video Card – 512MB DDR2, PCI Express 2.0, (Dual Link) Dual DVI, HDTV, VGA Support, Low Profile at tigerdirect $50 (with a fan)

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cornell:

oops, sorry, really should go now

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cornell:

:-)

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knowledgejunkie:

sgtpepper: it looks like your framegrabber capture card is not set up correctly

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sgtpepper:

knowledgejunkie: I did'nt get that. Its a coding issue? Configuration issue? tvtime works fine with it

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knowledgejunkie:

sgtpepper: you have not configured your capture card in MythTV correctly

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sgtpepper:

its a hrc/irc kind of thing?

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** knowledgejunkie looks puzzled at that question **

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iamlindoro:

No, it's not

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sgtpepper:

when I have to choose the channel table as in us-cable-hrc and such

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iamlindoro:

It's a failing to configure card and recording profiles properly kind of thing

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knowledgejunkie:

sgtpepper: have you read line 8 of your pastebin?

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** iamlindoro checks the calendar **

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iamlindoro:

Yep, 2009, FRAMEGRABBERS BAD!

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iamlindoro:

Just needed to be absolutely sure it wasn't 15 years ago

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iamlindoro:

Thisis one of many annoyances avoided when you spend double digits on a capture device :)

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sgtpepper:

the codec stuff?

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sgtpepper:

sorry, it is about the best you get around here

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sgtpepper:

no haupage

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iamlindoro:

where is here?

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sgtpepper:

hauppauge

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sgtpepper:

Argentina

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sgtpepper:

you have bt878's or saa7134's

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sgtpepper:

and also, analog tv

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iamlindoro:

you could ebay a PAL PVR-150

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sgtpepper:

with 75% tax when it arrives

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knowledgejunkie:

sgtpepper: you need to tell MythTV how you want it to record the video and audio from your framegrabber cards – that is what line 8 is saying

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iamlindoro:

Well worth it

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sgtpepper:

ok, I'm starting mythfrontend now

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sgtpepper:

I should go to the Recording Profiles

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sgtpepper:

Software encoders ?

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sgtpepper:

I've 4 of them

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

4 profiles, yes, they are named according to what they do

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sgtpepper:

yes

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iamlindoro:

live TV, default, etc.

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iamlindoro:

so modify them

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sgtpepper:

to what?

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iamlindoro:

to whatever is appropriate for your TV format

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iamlindoro:

native resolution, then pick codecs and bitrates, etc.

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iamlindoro:

presumably 720x576, set up bitrates and codecs for each, and save each of them

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iamlindoro:

anyway, I literally haven't used a framegrabber in a decade, it is very VERY worth it to eBay an old PVR-150

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iamlindoro:

well, maybe a *little* less than a decade

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iamlindoro:

but not much

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sgtpepper:

let me search

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sgtpepper:

I've a friend going to the states so he might bring it to me

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iamlindoro:

well, you'd probably want to get it from a PAL country, we are not

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iamlindoro:

Think Argentina is PAL-N

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sgtpepper:

PAL-NC according to mythtv

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iamlindoro:

same thing

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sgtpepper:

but according to tvtime, is ntsc

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sgtpepper:

weird

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iamlindoro:

it's not NTSC, that's for sure

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sgtpepper:

might be my cable

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iamlindoro:

huh?

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iamlindoro:

No, your cable provider is not NTSC

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sgtpepper:

yep

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sgtpepper:

definitely is'nt

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sgtpepper:

wow, I'm getting new debug now

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sgtpepper:

something about the backend can't find the next channel

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iamlindoro:

maybe pastebin would be wiser than paraphrasing :)

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iamlindoro:

"something about *mumblemumble* bytes... and... *mumble* Hippos..."

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sgtpepper:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1494273

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iamlindoro:

yep, that's your problem

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iamlindoro:

you've messed up your channels table

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iamlindoro:

you need to go back to mythtv-setup, clear the channels out, and rescan from scratch

[02:53:14]

iamlindoro:

that's also the reason it only works once

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iamlindoro:

as it sets the start channel to a nonexistent channel

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sgtpepper:

but I don't know how to join them to xmltv... to get the right programming guide

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sgtpepper:

let me try that in the meantime

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sgtpepper:

my grabber does not provide channel numbers

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iamlindoro:

good thing myth doesn't care about channel numbers

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** iamlindoro pages sphery for that explanation **

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sgtpepper:

still crashing... let me clear the whole database (since it is a brand new media center) and start over

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iamlindoro:

that's totally unnecessary

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iamlindoro:

you just need to clear out your lineup

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iamlindoro:

which, if it is still crashing, you have not done

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sgtpepper:

I erased all channels from the only video source

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iamlindoro:

you didn't have nearly enough time to clear them out and rescan completely

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iamlindoro:

not even close

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iamlindoro:

so I know you skipped some part of that

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sgtpepper:

I used the delete button next to the all video source

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sgtpepper:

and it cleaned up the list

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iamlindoro:

and then?

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sgtpepper:

channel scanner

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iamlindoro:

remove the video source *entirely*

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iamlindoro:

recreate it from scratch

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iamlindoro:

scan.

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sgtpepper:

I haven't done that

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iamlindoro:

let it FINISH

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iamlindoro:

there is no way you did all these things in four minutes

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sgtpepper:

ok, now I did all that... but, still crashes

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sgtpepper:

anyway.. I'm going to bed now, I'll try to continue tomorrow

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iamlindoro:

Sigh, so the second time he did it in *three* minutes

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wagnerrp:

practice makes perfect

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iamlindoro:

would love to have my whole break down of a lineup and channel scan take three minutes

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larzen:

ahh i found the problem with my pvr-500

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larzen:

i dont know how to solve it =)

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larzen:

my cable signal is too strong

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musicgeek1:

Hello all. I am brand new to MythTV. I have a 2 ghz PC with 2.5 GB RAM, 250 GB HD and a PVR-150 TV card. I've been playing with the Muthbuntu 9.04 version and can't Watch TV. Do you recommend a different version instead or is there something I need to do outside of config the software.

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larzen:

it causes the card to have diagonal scan lines, etc..

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larzen:

musicgeek1: what do you mean "cant watch tv?"

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larzen:

is your driver loading up/

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musicgeek1:

It flashes the screen back to the menu

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larzen:

musicgeek1: lsmod ?

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wagnerrp:

musicgeek1: just read the documentation, read the documentation some more, install, fail, go back to the documentation, install, fail again, read some more, read some more, read yet more, finally get it right

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larzen:

make sure your card is first actually working

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larzen:

so lsmod | grep cx25840

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larzen:

make sure the module is loaded

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larzen:

once you've determined that... make sure ivtv is properly installed on your system

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larzen:

so run ivtv-tune --channel 8 and you should get something like : /dev/video0: 331.250 MHz (Signal Detected)

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larzen:

once that is working ... try capturing by hand: cat /dev/video0 > myshow.mpg

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larzen:

if that works.. then you've got mythtv problems =)

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larzen:

or permissions issues (probably the most likely case)

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musicgeek1:

http://pastebin.com/d399d2b33

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larzen:

modules seem to be loaded

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larzen:

so try recording a show by hand?

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larzen:

issue ivtv-tune --channel 8

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musicgeek1:

Is the unbuntu version the more favored of them all?

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larzen:

im not sure if there is a version or "them" per say

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larzen:

its linux

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larzen:

i use gentoo

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larzen:

with a vanilla kernel

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larzen:

My take would be to stay away from these "prepackaged" pvr things

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larzen:

they only work half the time...and when they dont its hard to fix them

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kormoc:

musicgeek1, officially there is no recommended distro

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Dagmar:

I'd say it's only hard to fix them when you're unfamiliar with the base distro

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Dagmar:

...and that's a problem that's not rememdied by building your own binaries, really.

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Dagmar:

There's basically not a solution set that doesn't involve learning at least some Linux admin stuff

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Dagmar:

OKay, that and draining the blood of a few sacrifical goats by the light of the full moon.

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Krellan:

is there a FAQ about what to do re keypresses getting doubled-up?

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wagnerrp:

from an IR remote?

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Krellan:

No, just from an ordinary USB keyboard

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wagnerrp:

nope, cant really help you there

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wagnerrp:

is it only mythtv? or all X programs?

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Krellan:

interestingly, only happens in MythTV main menus – once you drill down into a setup wizard, the problem no longer exists there

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Krellan:

Just mythtv

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Krellan:

everything else, including xterm, perfect every time

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Krellan:

and the keypresses seem very slow, taking up to 1 full second to respond – on a system with essentially zero load

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wagnerrp:

might want to try bumping up the priority of 'X' a notch

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wagnerrp:

if it is currently at 0

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Krellan:

hmm – don't think it's an X issue

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Krellan:

i wonder what would have it work perfectly in the setup wizards, but fail on mythtv's main menus?

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, turn off/on the opengl painter

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wagnerrp:

what video card?

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defaultro:

off topic question folks :D I know it's preference, which slr should I go with, Nikon or Canon?

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wagnerrp:

oh, definately Conan

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defaultro:

k

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wagnerrp:

nothing takes pictures like a tall irishman

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Dagmar:

Not even Paris Hilton's date?

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wagnerrp:

nah, they take video

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kormoc:

defaultro, I like the Digital Rebels, but the Nikons are quite nice as well

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

so looks like i can't go wrong with either

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wagnerrp:

so now the RIAA is going after commercial radio for performance fees

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wagnerrp:

i was under the impression radio ran on pretty slim margin as it is

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Dagmar:

Are tehy?

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Dagmar:

I figured they'd be pretty quiescent after sodomizing the webcasting industry

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Radio does, kinda, but the fees terrestrial radio pay are way less than what webcasters now pay

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Dagmar:

$25,000/year *minimum*

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wagnerrp:

i know they pay fees, but apparently theyre trying to milk more out of them

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Dagmar:

No exemptions for non-profit stations like colleges run.

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Dagmar:

Terrestrial radio stations perhaps should have remembered the "First they came for the webcasters" bit then

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Dagmar:

Tough luck for 'em

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wagnerrp:

i mean there are a handful of entrenched stations in my area, but the rest rise and fall every couple years

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Dagmar:

That industry will immolate soon due to all that crap

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wagnerrp:

they wouldnt die off like that if they were all that profitable

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Dagmar:

Technology makes it possible for them to be more efficient and charge less, and they're trying to double and triple their revenues directly.

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Dagmar:

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Keep in mind that colleges are teaching RIM students that you're necessarily required to spend X dollars to attract Y listeners

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Dagmar:

There's a terrestrial station here called "JACK FM" that kinda proves that wrong tho

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Dagmar:

They put up billboards that basically say "JACK FM" and some semi-dim aphorism (on purpose) and little else...

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Dagmar:

...don't really advertise in other ways at all, let their DJs run amok within the limits of what restrictions Soundstream places on them, and they've not folded yet

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Dagmar:

...but that might have something do with that the Nashville market is flooded with bullshit.

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Dagmar:

For awhile there were no (as in none, nada, zero) commercial rock stations here.

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Dagmar:

It was all country and pop

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that happens when youre the country music capitol of the world

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wagnerrp:

i pity you...

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Dagmar:

Well, it happens when one company owns all the stations and doesn't pay attention to that their guidelines kinda left out an entire sector

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wagnerrp:

i suppose thats the purpose of turning your scooter into a ghetto blaster

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Dagmar:

It's not a ghetto blaster.

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Dagmar:

It's a weapon for destroying the morals of youth.

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Dagmar:

I filled it up (takes like, a "dollop" of gas) earlier and noticed I was next to two church buses.

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Dagmar:

Good thing I had My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult on the player

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wagnerrp:

buses or vans?

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Dagmar:

Like Ford 15 passenger types

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wagnerrp:

ah

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Dagmar:

"Shheee iiiiis... equipped with re-ve-nge... The tempter... the BAD MA-RY...."

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Dagmar:

The "lovers and killers of Christ" bit really went over well. :)

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wagnerrp:

we had a couple of those in high school... not like you need more when your school only has ~200 students

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wagnerrp:

of course the year after i left, they outlawed those, and the school had to buy a bunch of shortbuses

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Dagmar:

Seatbelts are overrated anyway

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wagnerrp:

oh, we had seatbelts

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Dagmar:

They have seatbelts in buses?

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Dagmar:

WTF

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wagnerrp:

i meant the vans

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Dagmar:

Ah yes.

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wagnerrp:

but yeah, i think buses have seatbelts now

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Dagmar:

That would be the reason to get a van and not a shortbus....

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Dagmar:

There were no belts in the buses my HS used. You were just expected to roll with it if you were in the back when they hit a speedbump.

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wagnerrp:

the problem with the van was that you dont need a CDL to drive one

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Dagmar:

They threatened to give me detention for denting the roof of the bus once

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wagnerrp:

and some dumbass got in over his head with a large vehicle, rolled it into oncoming traffic, and killed a bunch of kids

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Dagmar:

Ouch

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wagnerrp:

so now no one can have them

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wagnerrp:

to hell with vans and buses anyway

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wagnerrp:

we could cram 9 people into my coach's Nissan Stanza for the trip to the garbage dump... errr, reclaimed soccer field

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svqyqb:

http://tinyurl.com/nkypfa

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laga:

GDIAF.

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laga:

just reported him to the support of this stupid game

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Dagmar:

I wonder what they'd do if 10,000 hits came in on that, really fast.

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juski:

just block everyone from t-dialin.net ;-)

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laga:

Dagmar: using the trickle attack? ;)

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laga:

juski: i used to use t-dialin.net :P

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juski:

fine. used to, so you're ok now:)

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laga:

heh

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Dagmar:

Trickle?

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Dagmar:

Why be subtle.

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Dagmar:

If something triggers their anti-fraud mechanism, what's the worst that could happen

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juski:

whoops /dev/sda1 932G 905G 28G 98% /video

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juski:

time to do some housekeeping I think

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stuarta:

loads of space

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stuarta:

oh and morning :)

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Huijari:

mythtv's auto-expire <3

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juski:

morning :)

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juski:

Huijari: yeah but I'd sooner choose what goes first

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juski:

CBA to set priorities on everything I record

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stuarta:

i like the weight expiry method

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stuarta:

then the priorities affect what is expired

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juski:

gonna see where the hell all the space has gone first

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juski:

was out on an all-dayer on saturday.wife txted me to say the BE had gone down so I phoned her & talked her through restarting it

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juski:

ssh via the wife proxy :D

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stuarta:

monit

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stuarta:

i use that to start the backend

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stuarta:

that way, if for any reason it happens to crash, it gets restart automatically

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juski:

I could make a script I spose, but I CBA

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stuarta:

monit

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juski:

doesn't happen very often

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juski:

CBA to even set it up

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** stuarta pokes juski with the trout of apathy **

[09:01:09]

juski:

heh

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juski:

stays up for *months* & *months* at a time. I don't worry about it

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stuarta:

same here

[09:02:13]

juski:

wonder if 'delete recordings' can show you the disk usage of a group

[09:02:15]

stuarta:

before we fixed it, it had a habit of evaporating at an inappropriate moment

[09:02:42]

stuarta:

mythweb, view recordings, filtered by group

[09:02:43]

juski:

haven't even looked in the log yet

[09:02:53]

stuarta:

tho you kinda have to count a bit

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juski:

not running trunk here

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stuarta:

me either, my prod box is still 0.21

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laga:

my prod box is trunk. hah. :)

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stuarta:

i'm thinking about moving soon

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juski:

aha. Wossy going all the way back to February

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stuarta:

prime candidate for a tweak to the recording rule

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stuarta:

max episodes = 10, expire oldest to record new

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juski:

max episodes = 0

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juski:

and another 52 shows are cleared out of the way

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juski:

sorry wife, if you ain't watched "whatever happened to baby p" yet, hard luck

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sid3windr:

where's your mama gone, little baby don.. :>

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juski:

think I might zap Spooks too

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juski:

tedious crap

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juski:

Survivors? not got around to it since it was aired. Byebye

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juski:

wtf? just deleted a load of crap in 'manage recordings' & the stuff is still there

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laga:

might take a while

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juski:

oh yeah since the pretendy delete feature came along :)

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juski:

they're put in a queue

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laga:

ffs, i always lose the cellar key

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juski:

wonder if I still have slow deletes enabled :-\

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juski:

nope.. TruncateDeletesSlowly | 0 | mythbackend

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juski:

they're going at about 2GB/min :(

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Dibblah:

Hmmmm.

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Dibblah:

maxKBperMin = 139899972187635

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Dibblah:

Methinks something has gone wrong for poor Simon.

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juski:

this is terrible

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juski:

wonder if the delay is fs or myth related

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juski:

hrm 'upcoming recordings' could do with a 'sort by name' option I think

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Dibblah:

What's the FS?

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Dibblah:

Also, deletes cause a reschedule.

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juski:

xfs

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wombo:

Potential bug with Mythweb (trunk). When I click on a show I can see everything as normal. But when I change it recording status the description, category, type, length, playback group and mythtv Status disappear.

[11:08:17]

wombo:

Anyone else seeing this?

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sulx:

no but i'm experiencing dvb subtitle issues

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gbee:

one naturally leads to another ...

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juski:

heh. guy wonders if his epia is underpowered. Yes

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psm321:

juski: if you're still having the issue, make sure you check logs... if myth doesn't have permission to delete the file or something similar, it wont delete the DB entry either, and you dont get an error on the frontend other than seeing the recording come back

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juski:

pah!

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juski:

the very idea!

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psm321:

?

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juski:

that MBE doesn't have the right perms

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psm321:

ok sorry, was just suggesting a possibility... it could be something else too... if it fails to delete the file for any reason it wont remove it from the db

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juski:

it was just that the deletes don't happen immediately, that's all

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juski:

stuff happens when you schedule over 500GB to disappear in one sitting

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psm321:

ok

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psm321:

sorry for distracting you then :)

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gbee:

juski: xfs?

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juski:

yup

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cityLights1:

hi all

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cityLights1:

I am tring to use the power search to setup a rule.

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cityLights1:

then no english letters appear, the rule in inactive

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cityLights1:

can anyone test this? how to report this?

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cityLights1:

I mean I do see eppisodes when I click TEST but the coming shows are not marked in green , I am using 0.21 fixes

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sphery:

cityLights1: you have to mark the rule active for it to show that it will record things

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sphery:

otherwise, they'll have "inactive" status

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cityLights1:

let me check myself,,,

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Zaqq:

hi gues

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sphery:

what did you mean "no english letters appear"?

[13:01:16]

Zaqq:

Hauppauge WinTV-PVR-USB2 — how does this compare to the 150?

[13:01:44]

cityLights1:

yes: This rule is active does appear

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cityLights1:

sphery: title is all in HEBREW'

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sgtpepper:

iamlindoro

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sphery:

cityLights1: is your language set properly? can you restart mythfrontend with -p and ensure you select English?

[13:04:18]

cityLights1:

I mean I take a rule that appears in orange (so it is schedualed) and change the rule from

[13:05:21]

sphery:

Zaqq: The PVR-150 has a hardware encoder and takes almost no CPU power. The USB ones are the same, but use different chips/drivers (which are less mature than the PVR-x50 drivers). I was very happy with my PCI-based PVR-x50's, but I had plenty of PCI slots for them.

[13:05:36]

Zaqq:

the one i mentioned has a mpeg2 encoder

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sphery:

right, so does the PVR-150

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Zaqq:

but i dont have to build a pc ... coz i already have a laptop

[13:06:16]

sphery:

if you mean /decoder/, the PVR-150 does /not/ have one, the PVR-350 has one

[13:06:22]

sphery:

but the decoder is a waste of money

[13:06:40]

sphery:

if you're lacking PCI slots, then the USB ones might be worthwhile

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cityLights1:

program.seriesid = '41103721' --- to -> program.title LIKE '%לונדון את קירשנבאום %'

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Zaqq:

i mean .. an encoder

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Zaqq:

http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-WinTV-PVR-USB . . . p/B0000AL8XX

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sphery:

I just generally dislike USB for any system where I want long-term reliability (i.e. start it up and it runs for months) because of the occasional disconnects/lost devices that require unplug/replug.

[13:08:16]

sphery:

I think the drivers work OK, now, but I have no experience with the Hauppauge USB-based encoder cards

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Zaqq:

sphery: i am going to use a netbook for my bedroom pvr ... and carry it on my escapades and watch the content on the road :)

[13:08:43]

stuarta:

sphery: well unfortunately for you quite a few of the newer pci cards are merely pci-usb glue with the usb device on the card

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Zaqq:

hey stuarta :) wb

[13:10:02]

Zaqq:

myth should run on a netbook right? esp with the encoding taken care by a hardware encoder?

[13:10:18]

sphery:

cityLights1: those chars came through as question marks, here (probably my locale settings on my IRC client)... Is it actually Hebrew or is it just "gibberish" characters?

[13:10:29]

juski:

if said netbook is up to the task of *decoding* in software

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Zaqq:

yes it has a ati radeon card

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Zaqq:

x1200 to be exact

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cityLights1:

it was hebrew

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sphery:

Zaqq: The biggest backend issue will be running the MySQL database... If you run it elsewhere, you may be OK. And, as juski said, decoding (frontend) will leave much to be desired.

[13:11:26]

juski:

Zaqq: well I hope whatever drivers you can use support Xv or you're boned

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sphery:

cityLights1: so, I'm assuming you meant to change it to Hebrew?

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Zaqq:

the radeon x1200 chips have a hardware decoder ... uvm or something

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stuarta:

driver support?

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juski:

no use in linux yet

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Zaqq:

oh

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Zaqq:

no hardware decode drivers?

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juski:

not for ati yet

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stuarta:

i've not heard anything about ATI releasinging VA-API officially yet

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Zaqq:

:/

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sphery:

nope, and especially not in Myth

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Zaqq:

that sucks

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cityLights1:

sphery: if I use the mythfront -p and change it to hebrew – I get the hebrew gui

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juski:

and?

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cityLights1:

I preffer the english gui

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cityLights1:

I just want the hebrew program names

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sphery:

I'm confused, then... What's it doing wrong?

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stuarta:

well don't bloody well change it to hebrew

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Zaqq:

an athlon 64 @ 1.2 ghz should be able to decode 480p right?

[13:13:51]

cityLights1:

I set my frontend as english

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Zaqq:

even if there is no hardware decode support

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cityLights1:

I set a new rule to record by the series number

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cityLights1:

program.seriesid = '41103721'

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juski:

if you have working Xv for colour space conversion sure

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juski:

otherwise. Wah wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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cityLights1:

but when I change the condition for the rule to a rule

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Zaqq:

ok ... can i install mythtv and check some mpeg2 video ... and if it plays soothly go and buy the usb pvr?

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cityLights1:

program.title LIKE '%Hebrew name %'

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cityLights1:

and the rule becomes inactive

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sphery:

so, you're saying when you create a rule with Hebrew characters, Myth doesn't match it

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cityLights1:

RIGHT

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sphery:

(or, MySQL doesn't, really)

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cityLights1:

otherwise all is well

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cityLights1:

hmmm

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sphery:

is this 0.21-fixes?

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cityLights1:

yes 0.21 fixes and my mysql config is http://dpaste.com/66964/

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sphery:

gentoo?

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cityLights1:

I run gentoo and fixed mysql by the wiki

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cityLights1:

brb

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juski:

Zaqq: I've heard more sucky ideas.. carting a USB tuner around with a netbook just to watch some TV. Meh

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sphery:

cityLights1: can you pastebin the output of: echo 'status;' | mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

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Zaqq:

juski: no .. i will nto carry the thing of course lol ... it will record the off-hour shows .. and i can just take the netbook during the day time

[13:19:08]

Zaqq:

or watch weekend programming on weekdays on the train

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Zaqq:

leaving the tuner home

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juski:

mythbackend won't like it when you pull a tuner, mind

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sphery:

or change its IP address

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sphery:

best bet is a real Myth system that records and stays home

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juski:

use a real computer :)

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sphery:

then copying the desired recordings to a laptop/netbook for playback

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Zaqq:

takes too mych power lol

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Zaqq:

much*

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juski:

muh, save the trees!

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Zaqq:

the desktop i mean

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sphery:

heh, someone hasn't looked at the new low-TDP processors

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Zaqq:

the netbook pulls 10w from the wall

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sphery:

can get a 35W TDP Intel proc for a desktop

[13:21:56]

sphery:

can get a 45W TDP AMD proc

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juski:

well sure you can save power but it'll suck in so many ways you'll end up wishing it was a real computer :)

[13:22:36]

sphery:

agreed

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Zaqq:

true .. esp with the database

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sphery:

in my systems, the HDD's and capture cards pull the most power

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Zaqq:

what is the wattage pulled from the wall?

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juski:

who cares if it doesn't suck? ;-)

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Zaqq:

umm the trees? :)

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juski:

bah. trees do nothing but get in the way of signals anyway

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Zaqq:

haha

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juski:

they burn well though

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Zaqq:

i am looking closely at the 45nm celeron 3000 dual cores

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Zaqq:

due in october i think

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Zaqq:

with EIST .. they should pull less power than the 35W AMD i think

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juski:

each USB device could pull up to 0.5W (!)

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sphery:

a non-Myth system that does /not/ have a low-TDP CPU is pulling 40kWh/mo (or 80kWh/mo when running SETI@home--CPU max'ed). A nearly identical Myth system (both with 89W-TDP procs) pulls 94kWh/mo (or 107kWh/mo with SETI)--actually the non-Myth one had better idle power usage (as obvious from the increase when running SETI), but max'ed out, they're both near identical.

[13:26:02]

juski:

oops 0.25W

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sphery:

^^^ my systems, that is

[13:26:31]

juski:

no need to look for aliens. we know they're already here ;-)

[13:27:00]

juski:

they come here looking for ways to make a mythbox that consumes a picowatt to save their home planet

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sphery:

Zaqq: remember that the 35W TDP Intel CPU should pull 35W or less when max'ed... And, every chip pulls different amounts (even if they're all 35W TDP).

[13:28:01]

Zaqq:

i know the tdp rating is basically for design of the cooling systems

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Zaqq:

rather than the power usage

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Zaqq:

at idle these will consume much less

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sphery:

right, but the important part being that a 35W TDP CPU won't pull 35W unless you're max'ing it out

[13:28:42]

sphery:

if you have a nice modern proc, you won't come close to maxing it out over time

[13:28:50]

Zaqq:

has amd switched to 45nm for their lower end chips? i know some phenoms are 45nm

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sphery:

unless you run some program like BOINC/SETI@home

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sphery:

and, when not max'ed out, they will power down/take less power

[13:29:34]

Zaqq:

right .. PowerNow and EIST

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Zaqq:

Cool'n'quiet

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sphery:

but, the most important part is to buy based on CPU /and/ chipset as some chipsets--I won't mention the name of the company who makes a lot of them--eat power worse than the CPU

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Zaqq:

intel :o)

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Zaqq:

gma

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sphery:

I was thinking of a 'greener' chipset company

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Zaqq:

oh gotcha

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sphery:

and I don't mean green in the 'power-friendly' way :)

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Zaqq:

Nice company though

[13:31:05]

sphery:

true

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sphery:

and good tech, generally

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Zaqq:

i have it running on this very laptop

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sphery:

and, really, their video cards are probably the best choice for a Myth system

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Zaqq:

coz of linux drivers

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sphery:

nvidia video cards work great for Myth with the proprietary drivers

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juski:

heheh AMD/Nvidia confusion

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gbee:

we're talking lime green, not forest green

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sphery:

I've heard good things about their latest chipsets, but haven't actually used any of them

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sphery:

so they may do better power-wise, now

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juski:

just name names so people who don't know/care what colour their logos are know :)

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Zaqq:

amd is 55nm and now even 40nm for their gfx chips .... and the gfx cards are the most power hungry devices in a pc

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sphery:

oh, yeah, I still consider the video arm of AMD to be red, even though AMD is green :)

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Zaqq:

one of*

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sphery:

yeah, buying a top-of-the-line (=power-hungry) video card for Myth is a waste

[13:34:13]

sphery:

I'd buy first based on driver support, and second based on power usage

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Zaqq:

i was extending my new pc upgrade for this very reason ... the new 45nm cpu combined with a 40nm gfx card .. will be great to run 24x7

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gbee:

sphery: same complaint has been made of intel chipsets, their CPU power figures look great until you realise that unlike AMD you've got the additional chipset to worry about which brings up the total wattage

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Zaqq:

all this with a 80plus psu of course

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sphery:

gbee: yeah... I just bought a low-power system (the one I'm on now) and I used a 45W TDP AMD proc rather than a 35W TDP Intel because I liked the chipset better.

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cityLights1:

back

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cityLights1:

http://dpaste.com/66973/

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sphery:

cityLights1: ok, looks like your mysql is good, so it's possible that it's just -fixes that has the issue

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sphery:

cityLights1: I expect it will work fine on trunk

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sphery:

cityLights1: oh, and I /think/ I may have heard of an encoding issue when doing the "speculative" scheduling (i.e. what you're seeing when you test) that did not affect the real scheduler.

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sphery:

cityLights1: so, set the rule, then check upcoming recordings and see if it work--if so, the tests will be useless to you and you'll have to do tests with the real scheduler

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cityLights1:

so , should i open a bug?

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sphery:

cityLights1: not against -fixes

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sphery:

until you can test with trunk (or, better, wait a little bit for 0.22, then test with 0.22-fixes), it's not worth opening a ticket

[14:09:53]

sphery:

however, if it is actually an encoding issue, it's almost definitely fixed in trunk

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cityLights1:

issue posted to mailing list

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cityLights1:

o ok

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cityLights1:

I also wanted to report an issue with picture in picture between two pcs

[14:13:12]

cityLights1:

what options should I add to verbose to give meaningfull trace

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cityLights1:

I actually can get mythfront to seg fault when tring to run picture in picture

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juski:

PiP == LiveTV but half as useful

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juski:

*but still handy for testing tuners

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cityLights1:

thnaks juski

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juski:

reyou wlecmeo

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iamlindoro:

liharsuo

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iamlindoro:

liharisou, that is

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nobody99:

hi

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nobody99:

is it possible to run the scan.php from command line?

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nobody99:

I always get "Undefined variable: db in /usr/share/mythweb/modules/video/scan.php on line 16

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nobody99:

"

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sphery:

mythweb uses a lot of info that's set up by apache--all the stuff in the mythweb.conf

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sphery:

it's not meant to be a command-line app

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nobody99:

have you an idea how I can patch it to rnu on the commad line or another idea how i can scan my videos from a script?

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sphery:

nope

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sphery:

best bet is to use MythVideo's Video Manager

[14:49:13]

sphery:

there was a command-line app posted to the lists about 3 years ago, but it's probably woefully out of date (and could actually break your DB or whatever since it's been so long)

[14:49:20]

sgtpepper:

quick question, when you're using different machines for the backend/frontend, is it possible to put the tv card in the backend?

[14:49:47]

sphery:

and, since you're not constantly getting new MythVideo content, it's not that big a deal to run a scan each time you buy a new DVD

[14:50:18]

nobody99:

mythvideo's video manager would not help me if I need it in a script:(

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sphery:

yeah, but you shouldn't need the script since you shouldn't be getting all that much new video all that often

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sphery:

since, of course, there's no way you'd be doing something like having your computer automatically download pirated video into MythVideo folders or anything

[14:53:52]

nobody99:

no thats not the pint

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nobody99:

point

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Your favorite channel name--SyFy--made the Grammar Girl newsletter: http://view.mail.macmillan.com/?j=fe641670716 . . . 04747312727c

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nobody99:

I have all tv recordings as divx so I have a lot of videos

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sphery:

well, with trunk, there are scripts that can move tv to mythvideo--including metadata

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sphery:

that's really what you want

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sphery:

but you're not here, anymore, so I guess you won't find out

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sgtpepper:

is 0.22 stable enough?

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sphery:

nope, that's why it doesn't exist

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sphery:

trunk exists, though

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sphery:

and some people use it for their production systems

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sphery:

but if you want a stable system that just does the right thing, 0.21-fixes is the way to go, IMHO

[15:08:09]

sphery:

if you want to do development, do it on trunk

[15:08:33]

sphery:

if you want a stable system that just does the right thing and want to do development, I /highly/ recommend a separate development system

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iamlindoro:

Agreed!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: can myth do passthrough for them, too?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: no

[15:09:40]

iamlindoro:

well, the DTS core it can, that's just DTS

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sgtpepper:

right now I'm using 0.21 provided by rpmfusion rpm... I guess its 0.21-fixes

[15:09:58]

iamlindoro:

But not TrueHD/E-AC-3

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sphery:

which means we just decode them, then output as normal 2-channel analog, 5.1-channel analog, 2-channel S/PDIF PCM, or 5.1-channel S/PDIF AC-3?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: decode to various-channel-PCM, yeah

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sphery:

which means we don't have HD-audio output support, right?

[15:10:32]

iamlindoro:

Well, we do... sorta

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sphery:

(yeah, I don't know the state of the re-encode to AC-3/#5900 stuff, so I just threw that in in case...)

[15:10:49]

iamlindoro:

in that you can technically output "lossless"

[15:11:07]

iamlindoro:

just can't bitstream

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iamlindoro:

and in the case of DTS-HD MA, can't do the lossless version of that yet, just the lossy DTS core

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sphery:

can GNU/Linux do >2-channel PCM via HDMI?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Think so

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sphery:

then I'd consider it HD audio

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sphery:

if not, I consider it a HD placebo

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sphery:

an?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: It's still HD audio if you use analog outputs, IMO

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wagnerrp:

well that depends on your sound card

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt consider anything you have onboard analog worthy of 'HD'

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sphery:

from what I understand the A/D's in most (all?) sound cards are extremely poor quality (even compared to "cheap" A/V receivers)

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iamlindoro:

The calibre of the audio output has no bearing on whether or not it is still HD audio support, again IMO

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sphery:

of course, I still do analog audio out and have a cheap A/V receiver--and ears that don't care--so I'm not much of an audiophile/tech expert

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iamlindoro:

ie you could bitstream the same signal to a POS receiver and it could render it poorly-- but it would still *technically* support HD audio

[15:14:43]

iamlindoro:

just as a Vizio is still an HDTV

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iamlindoro:

(barely)

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sphery:

I'd consider it more similar to recording/decoding 1080i/720p ATSC material and outputting to an NTSC TV...

[15:15:46]

sphery:

regardless of what it /was/, it's no longer high-def

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iamlindoro:

that's just "audiophile" nonsense IMO

[15:16:13]

sphery:

that may be

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wagnerrp:

its like watching HDTV, running it through an analog R/F modulator, and calling it HDTV

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sphery:

like I said, my ears don't care, so...

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sphery:

I really don't know

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iamlindoro:

ie D/A may be poor in onboard sound cards, but you'd still fool 90%+ of "audiophiles" in a double blind test

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sphery:

Myth only supports 5.1-channels max of analog out, right?

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sphery:

(without ttable copies, that is)

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iamlindoro:

dunno

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wagnerrp:

i dont near noise when plugged into tinny TV speakers, or even the stereo system on the back TV

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sphery:

i.e. Myth->ALSA = 5.1, but ALSA can then copy channels to mix another 2

[15:17:57]

sphery:

if so, I'd assume the same is true of multi-channel PCM

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wagnerrp:

but i can absolutely hear noise coming out of the onboard chip when using my desktop speakers or headphones

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: conversely, the onboard audio sounds perfectly adequate to me, run via analog into a 7.1 channel receiver

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iamlindoro:

have nice shielded analog audio cables to get them there, but nothing special otherwise

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sphery:

most of my understanding of audio quality comes from this thread: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/199266#199266

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wagnerrp:

like i said, i dont hear noice out of the onboard audio on the back frontend, running through a 5.1 receiver

[15:20:53]

wagnerrp:

maybe it has to do with distance from the speakers, maybe other background noise (or the noise of the movie), maybe its just a cheap receiver

[15:22:07]

wagnerrp:

but i pull my heaphones out of my speakers (and creative card) and plug it into the port on the front of the computer

[15:22:28]

wagnerrp:

i can hear hissing, popping, fans and hard drives spinning up...

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sphery:

Sure there's not a snake in there? Snakes on a backplane?

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tanderson:

Is there any way to group listings in mythweb by input sources?

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iamlindoro:

I have had it with these monkey lovin' snakes on this monkey lovin' backplane!

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sphery:

tanderson: renumber your channels by input sources

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sphery:

iamlindoro: still haven't seen the movie... gotta find it (think I missed it on redbox, and I don't think it's worth buying--though it may actually be on sale, now, for redbox-like prices :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: haven't seen it either, don't plan on doing so :)

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sphery:

well, you know how I like bad movies :)

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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wagnerrp:

TBH, i couldnt care less if my A/D's S/N is 80dB or 140dB, i just wish they would isolate them from the rest of the computer

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I remember reading about a motherboard w/ vacuum tube audio

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wagnerrp:

and if you spend enough money on youre sound system that you can actually tell the difference between an EAC3 stream, and lossless audio, youre going to be able to hear the computer noise as well

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iamlindoro:

http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Re . . . penax4btube/

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sphery:

I'd have to spend a lot of money to upgrade my ears, too...

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** iamlindoro wonders if there's anywhere we could run mac and windows auto-builds to automatically notify when they are broken by a given revision **

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cityLights1:

does any here uses one pc to output to desktop speakers OR to tv speakers?

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wombo:

Well my work are just investigating

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wombo:

ignore that

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wagnerrp:

cityLights1: huh?

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wombo:

I am just investigating for work to build an auto build system

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wagnerrp:

you mean you have both connected on different outputs, and want to switch between the two?

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cityLights1:

is there a better way then going to setup / general every time?

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cityLights1:

wagnerrp: my pc is in the living room

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meshe:

cityLights1: you mean switch between audio outputs?

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cityLights1:

yes

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wagnerrp:

you could check to see what changed in the database, and write a wrapper script to do the same before starting mythfrontend

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cityLights1:

I couldnt get pulseaudio to work well

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wombo:

iamlindoro; basically it will be a huge vmware system, with another product that auto provisions then runs what ever commands are required on the virtual machine. should be neat

[15:35:10]

cityLights1:

did anyone tries to use JACK?

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wagnerrp:

or you could have two separate configurations living on that system, by telling one to use a different config set (than its hostname) on the command line

[15:35:50]

cityLights1:

what?

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iamlindoro:

wombo: I'm pretty sure sourceforge supplies some limited build facility, but not sure if it's enough to manage auto-build tests for myth

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tanderson:

sphery: ok, should work ok

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wagnerrp:

looks like theres an '--override-settings' and '--override-settings-file' option

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cityLights1:

I also tried scripting two frontends with over-writing .asoundrc

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wombo:

I know the Mythbuntu guys have a system that auto builds once per week

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wombo:

they then check it over for any compile problems

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iamlindoro:

yeah, think that's part of the larger ubuntu build system

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wagnerrp:

well the Mac one wouldnt be much different than a linux setup, but the windows one might be difficult to get running

[15:38:28]

wombo:

I was independant, but yeah they have merged into the borg now I think

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cityLights1:

wagnerrp: how can i tell what key holds the default alsa device?

[15:39:03]

wagnerrp:

dont know

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wagnerrp:

if nothing else, dump the table, change the setting, dump again, and find the differences

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tanderson:

sphery: it's a little inelegant though, has anyone thought of having an option to sort it by input in the mythweb code?

[15:39:55]

wombo:

tanderson, Do you have any coding experience?

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tanderson:

wombo: C, not php

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wombo:

thats fine

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tanderson:

I could learn I guess

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wombo:

:)

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sphery:

tanderson: add support for channel groups to MythWeb, then use channel groups

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tanderson:

ok...

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wombo:

I am not a dev, but I agree with wanting to have sorting abilities in Mythweb. If you could do it that would be great.

[15:42:19]

sphery:

tanderson: btw, trunk now has support for Channel Groups, so it's just writing MythWeb support for it that needs done

[15:44:28]

tanderson:

sphery: ohhh, so I'd have to run trunk... :/

[15:44:41]

sphery:

for any new development, you need trunk

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sphery:

I'd recommend it on a different/separate system, though

[15:44:54]

sphery:

not your production one

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wombo:

Which distro are you using?

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tanderson:

yeah

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tanderson:

gentoo

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cityLights1:

wagnerrp: what table to dump?

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plb:

Hey guys what's a good USB digital tv tuner for USians?

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iamlindoro:

Hauppauge HVR-950Q

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plb:

No problems with that one?

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tanderson:

plb: Pinnacle PCTV USB PRO recently got linux support as well, works great

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plb:

what's the quality like on the hvr-950q..it's only $60 on amazon

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plb:

ah actually i can go to manhattan and get it for $70..no shipping woohoo

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iamlindoro:

Digital tuners have no control over quality... they just tune and dump

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iamlindoro:

you'll get identical picture on all digital tuners, presuming adequate signal for each

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plb:

ah

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plb:

does getting this to work involve any trickery? I currently have a pvrusb2 and it works out of the box on ubuntu 9.04

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iamlindoro:

no more than any other card

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iamlindoro:

you may need to dig up a firmware file for it (as you would with most digital tuners) and depending on whether the driver is in-kernel, may need to compile v4l-dvb

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plb:

ok, well guess I'll make my way into manhattan and pick it up

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plb:

will be back tell you how it works out =)

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kormoc:

huh

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iamlindoro:

heghhn?

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kormoc:

Sorry kurre, tomimo, plugin want insane

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gbee:

one down, just a dozen more to go

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kormoc:

say what?

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kormoc:

So any thoughts on the design of http://www.kormoc.com/SeaGL/

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iamlindoro:

Mmm, blue

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iamlindoro:

Is there no "official" SeaGL logo?

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kormoc:

There is not :(

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gbee:

love the layout and colour scheme, only the text background gives me pause

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Defense|Twin:

Hi, is there a way how i can tell my mythtv to get the EPG for the current channel?

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kormoc:

text background eh? The white text on the lite blue is a little too light for ya?

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iamlindoro:

Defense|Twin: Do you mean via EIT? If so, no

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gbee:

yeah, contrast could be a touch better, trying to decide whether it's hard to read because I don't understand latin or purely because of the contrast

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kormoc:

gbee, go to the sponsors' page, that's english

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gbee:

definitely better, I still find I'm having to focus harder, but if you get no other complaints then put it down to my failing eyesight ;)

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gbee:

in all other respects I really admire the design

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kormoc:

:)

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kormoc:

To be fair, a ton of it was done via Min of templatemo.com, he did the bulk of it

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kormoc:

I just asked for a SeaGull theme and modified it to fit wordpress :)

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Cool, when will the same for MythWeb be done?

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iamlindoro:

;)

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iamlindoro:

mythweb-wp?

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gbee:

yeah, you've stripped it down though, which is what it needs, especially for you purposes – event sites should be clean and clutter free IMHO

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kormoc:

iamlindoro, when will mythweb-graphite be done? ;)

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Captain_Murdoch:

kormoc, can you add some javascript so that I can grab the seagull with my mouse and fly him around the window?

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** iamlindoro hisses **

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Captain_Murdoch:

if I click really fast between 'info' and 'sponsors', he moves slightly left/right so it looks like he's flapping..

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Captain_Murdoch:

s/info/about/

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Defense|Twin:

iamlindoro: but why? kaffeine always got the epg when i tuned to the channel

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sphery:

Defense|Twin: he means that Myth will get it when it's good and ready

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iamlindoro:

Defense|Twin: Because you haven't submitted the patch to make it do that yet?

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sphery:

you may need to enable/disable active EIT scanning

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sphery:

you may need to flip the Open DVB card on demand switch

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sphery:

or, you may just need to be patient

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sphery:

Myth backends are meant to run for long periods of time, so they don't really work for "let me just start Myth up for the first time in 6 months and see what's on TV now"

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sphery:

but once it gets the data, it should keep it updated as long as you continue to run it

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meshe:

i'm running into that problem with my parents myth box, they shut it off during the week while they are away and mfd pins the machine when it starts up (time for a hardware upgrade)

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Defense|Twin:

iamlindoro: ... i didn't even know that myth isn't doing that so how could i have been writing a patch :p

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iamlindoro:

Now you know, let me know when the patch is done

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Defense|Twin:

sphery: the myth box is running for at least a day without reboot now before that something about a month

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Shadow__X:

hmm i wonder if i should sill be sending stoth the nag emails

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Defense|Twin:

sphery: where can i enable active eit scanning in mythtv 0.21?

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Shadow__X:

Defense|Twin, in mythsetup

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Defense|Twin:

has the backend to be down?

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Shadow__X:

on capture card setup make sure one of your scanners are setup to use eit scan

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Shadow__X:

yes

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Shadow__X:

then either in the channel setup or in mythweb select the channels to use eit scan

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Defense|Twin:

do i have to enable it for each channel?!? in the channel setup i can only see the channels, sort, video-source, delete channel, filter, channel scan, icon download and edit transponder... but nothing about eit

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Shadow__X:

select a channel

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Shadow__X:

and you can enable eit

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Defense|Twin:

ahh

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gbee:

Shadow__X: per-card _active_ eit options are in the Card Setup screen under the Advanced section

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Shadow__X:

gbee, ah right i was close

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Shadow__X:

i must get points for close

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gbee:

active scan keeps looking for EIT when the card isn't recording, it changes from channel to channel to collect the information, so long as per-channel options to collect eit are enabled it will always passively collect EIT when tuned to those channels to record/livetv

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gbee:

the option to disable the active scan exists because on some hardware it causes problems, the driver/card can't cope with the constant usage

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Defense|Twin:

hm so if i dont record and the backend is running but i dont get any information about some channel (always some at the same transponder) the signal has to be bad?

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Defense|Twin:

but the signal seems to be ok... at least i can watch the channel without problems

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Defense|Twin:

gbee: how can i enter the advance section in the card-setup?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: what part of, "Is there a HOWTO," did you not understand?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: The response was accurate! :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: He didn't say "Hey, WRITE me a Howto..."

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iamlindoro:

I can start a wiki page called IamlindorosDigitalAudioWithHDFormatsHowto

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gbee:

Defense|Twin: uh, must have the name wrong if you can't see it .. anyone want to jump in here and help?

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gbee:

I'm in the middle of a recompile right now otherwise I'd do it

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Defense|Twin:

gbee: noo need i have time

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Defense|Twin:

when i come to the card-setup i can see the card an when i selct it and press enter i come to a single page with the normal card setup.. but nothing advanced..

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gbee:

'options' maybe?

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iamlindoro:

Recording Options

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gbee:

ah, 'Recording Options;

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gbee:

which is mis-leading, since EIT scanning isn't a recording option :)

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I'm going through and adding missing stuff to various screens, e.g. I noticed that you can't display a programme rating in the guide, anything else of that nature that you've noticed?

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iamlindoro:

gbee: Hmm... I am just heading off on a run, let me think about it while I'm out and get back to you? Nothing off the top of my head

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gbee:

it's a little more work, but I'd also like to see the vid/audio/subtitle icons available whereever we have programinfo

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iamlindoro:

I think there are a number of similar missing pginfo things on the upcoming/previously/etc. screens

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iamlindoro:

But I just can't remember which they were

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stevi:

hello

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stevi:

i need some help with my dvb-s box. it works but i only get a really bad picture.

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stevi:

can you please take a look at this: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f620a8b24

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wagnerrp:

describe 'bad picture'

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wagnerrp:

unless youre seeing 'lack of data' errors, you get exactly the video that the broadcaster sends

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stevi:

hi wagnerrp

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stevi:

it's a bit difficult for me to describe in english

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iamlindoro:

stevi: There's also #mythtv-de

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iamlindoro:

(but we are willing to listen in english too)

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wagnerrp:

you get blocking, the video stutters and pauses?

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stevi:

yes

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iamlindoro:

Bad signal

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stevi:

it stutters and pauses as if there was a bad signal

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stevi:

but signal strength says 80%

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bunder:

trying to install the windows frontend and i'm getting an error... http://pastebin.ca/1495045

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iamlindoro:

If it's just stutter, it's likely a playback/CPU issue

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iamlindoro:

if it's stutter and breaking up picture, it's bad signal

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iamlindoro:

stevi: Signal is an indication of electrical power, not the quality

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iamlindoro:

Biterror and SNR are what matter in terms of signal quality

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Dibblah:

Not always.

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Dibblah:

Different drivers report unfortunately different things.

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iamlindoro:

s/Biterror/Generally speaking, Biterror/

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Dibblah:

BER is not _always_ accurate – Some cards it's completely faked.

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stevi:

i'm using an opera dvb-s box.

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stevi:

i checked all cables and i'm quite sure that the signal strength is okay

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iamlindoro:

stevi: Does the picture become corrupt, or merely pause?

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stevi:

corrupt

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iamlindoro:

Then I am quite sure the signal quality is *not* okay :)

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stevi:

it breaks completly up after some time

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stevi:

failed to reinit video

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iamlindoro:

What version of myth are you running?

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iamlindoro:

And since the answer is trunk, why?

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stevi:

i upgraded yesterday to mythbuntu 9.02

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stevi:

04

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iamlindoro:

mythbackend --version

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stevi:

0.21

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iamlindoro:

OK, good

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, You should look at your biterror and SNR, even though they might not *necessarily* be accurate, as Dibblah mentions

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stevi:

where can i see the snr

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iamlindoro:

Same place you see the signal strength

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stevi:

i'm totally new to this. i had dvb-c for the last two years ;)

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iamlindoro:

SNR/BER/etc. are relevant to DVB-C too

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stevi:

snr 4.7 db, 0 biterror

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wagnerrp:

whats the sequence for which mediawiki will add a signature and date?

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wagnerrp:

ah 3/4 tildas

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp

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Spida:

are there any dvb-c cards that work especially well with myth?

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: In python do you know of a way to detect if a file or directory is on a NFS?

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: i dont even think theres a way to do that under C

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wagnerrp:

at most, you may be able to find the filesystem root, and then check mtab to see how it's mounted

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Spida:

wagnerrp: if you are allowed to...

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sphery:

inordkuo: around?

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wagnerrp:

Spida: access to mtab is restricted?

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Spida:

wagnerrp: may be, but generally not.

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Spida:

wagnerrp: I wouldn't count on it beeing available.

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wagnerrp:

what about /proc/mounts

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Dam, I may have to remove the Jamu Janitor option (which I like) as I have realized that if different backends point to their metadata graphics to a common NFS location the Janitor function could remove graphics used by a different BE. In general I do not trust users to read documentation when it comes to a potentially destructive action.

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Spida:

proc MAY be restricted (but most of the time, it is not)

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Spida:

grsecurity and selinux do that kind of stuff, chroot may, too.

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iamlindoro:

gbee: How does recordingstatus differe from rectypestatus? (or is one deprecated?)

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I thought of mtab processing but I hate adding too many layers of complexity. It usually backfires some where down the line.

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sphery:

inordkuo: Anyway, I uploaded another patch to #6700 ( http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6700 ). It needs to be applied in addition to the one that was already there. I'd appreciate your testing/letting me know if it works.

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sphery:

inordkuo: oh, and thanks :)

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sphery:

RDV_Linux: just make an option --link that makes it safe to use and do the destructive stuff if that's not passed in.

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sphery:

(see mythrename.pl --help for an explanation of the joke :)

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RDV_Linux:

sphery: Do you mean have the case documented and if they add the option --link assume they know what they are doing?

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sphery:

it was just a little remark about how mythrename.pl by default does the potentially-destructive rename, but requires the --link argument to do the always-safe link creation

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RDV_Linux:

sphery: I will take a look so that I understand. Thanks for the suggestion.

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sphery:

RDV_Linux: it wasn't a real suggestion... it was a bad joke.

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RDV_Linux:

sphery: Mark me down as a little slow:)

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sphery:

it was an obscure joke--one that someone who's not intimately familiar with mythrename.pl isn't likely to understand--so not your fault

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RDV_Linux:

sphery: Gee Dad that me feel somewhat better:)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: do you know anything about setting up Myth for use with an antenna/dish rotor?

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sphery:

not looking for help--just info

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iamlindoro:

sphery: No, I'm afraid I don't, sorry

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sphery:

just trying to figure out the channum guy's project...

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Spida:

are there any dvb-c cards that work especially well with myth?

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iamlindoro:

Myth doesn't provide card support

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iamlindoro:

find a DVB-C card that works well in linux, it'll work well in Myth

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iamlindoro:

www.linuxtv.org, in the wiki

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Tuxteri:

iamlindoro : my hauppauge hvr-4000 works in kaffeine and www.linuxtv.org but not MythTV :(

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iamlindoro:

Tuxteri: If you're trying to use S2, that's true

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Tuxteri:

yes

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iamlindoro:

But that has nothing to do with myth supporting your card

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Tuxteri:

well i wait MythTV-S2 or get azbox or ipbox

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iamlindoro:

OK... still not sure what that had to do with anything...

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iamlindoro:

Myth doesn't provide support for cards... v4l does

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iamlindoro:

Myth needs to support *APIs*, but that has nothing to do with what I was saying

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plb__:

Ok, just got back and picked up the wintv hvr 950q..I see I have /dev/video0 but mplayer /dev/video0 doesn't seem to work

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iamlindoro:

plb__: You asked for a *digital* tuner

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iamlindoro:

plb__: Digital tuners aren't /dev/video nodes

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plb__:

eh?

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plb__:

what do I use then to see if it's working

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iamlindoro:

/dev/dvb/adapter#

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plb__:

ah

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iamlindoro:

and you don't use that format with mplayer

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iamlindoro:

not with digital

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iamlindoro:

for my money, if you have a dvb node, you're ready to start trying to make it work with myth

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iamlindoro:

as it will take you just as long to "test" it at the command line

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plb__:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

though it's quite likely you'll need to dig up whatever firmware it needs

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wagnerrp:

ive been looking through feature requests (editing out existing features)

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plb__:

iamlindoro, does this work the same as if I have it connected to a cable box?

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wagnerrp:

is there ANY analog tuner that supports capturing multiple autio streams?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: not that I know of

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iamlindoro:

plb__: You never connect a digital tuner to a cable box

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plb__:

eh, why not?

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iamlindoro:

because set top boxes don't emit digital signals

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iamlindoro:

you connect it to an antenna or the wall, and capture thoe channels which are unencrypted

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plb__:

the card says it can receive analog on the box from cable boxes?

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iamlindoro:

likely meaning NBC, CBS, Fox, ABC, and.. ermm.... Chinese news

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iamlindoro:

plb__: That's the crap framegrabber side of that card, it's basically useless

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, autio? you mean audio?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, sure...

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plb__:

iamlindoro, is that what the /dev/video0 entry is for? the analog portion?

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wagnerrp:

its a bit hard to correct typing mistakes over VNC with a 2-second lag

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, certainly not then, as the only audio is always the secondary tuner, and the first can't get it

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iamlindoro:

plb__: yes. It's basically the same capability as a $5 tuner card, and should be avoided like the plague

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plb__:

ah

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f4hy:

Hey all, after installing mythbuntu, when I start the mythtv front end I just get a black screen, if i press buttons and stuff I can get to annother page which just seems to have the outlines around the text fields and buttons but I cant read what any of it does. Is this some sort of coruputed theme or something?

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iamlindoro:

f4hy: Since you installed mythbuntu instead on myth on top of ubuntu, you *should* theoretically have all the fonts you need, so my guess is broken video drivers/OpenGL

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iamlindoro:

what is your GPU, and which drivers are you using?

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f4hy:

iamlindoro: I have an ATI card, and tried both the open srouce and AMD drivers

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iamlindoro:

You definitely should use the closed source drivers

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iamlindoro:

(assuming they support your card)

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f4hy:

iamlindoro: well they do, but neither work

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iamlindoro:

anyway, it's most likely that, broken GL

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f4hy:

I first tried the close source ones, they failed, so I tried the open ones

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iamlindoro:

you can try running mythfrontend.real in a terminal and pastebin the output for the big kids to read

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f4hy:

well not failed, just dont render the setupscreens correctly at all so i cant get it configured

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iamlindoro:

my guess is we'll be seeing things like "bad opcode" etc.

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f4hy:

I get Xerror: BadMatch

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

broken drivers/GPU setup

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f4hy:

Ya, and majopr opcode: 62

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f4hy:

ahh alright

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iamlindoro:

no idea how to fix, they may know in #ubuntu-mythtv

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f4hy:

Ill try playing with drivers then

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iamlindoro:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1094371

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iamlindoro:

That is a thread describing your issue

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iamlindoro:

so try

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iamlindoro:

XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" mythfrontend.real

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iamlindoro:

or

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iamlindoro:

XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" mythtv-setup

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** kormoc shudders at the .real **

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iamlindoro:

or maybe it's XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" mythtv-setup.real

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f4hy:

whats the difference between the .real and the one without

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I just work here ;)

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iamlindoro:

f4hy: ubuntu people renaming binaries and wrapping them in scripts

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kormoc:

just in case you wanted to use the unreal setup app

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: ah, but to run Unreal on Ubuntu, do you have to run unreal.real?

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** kormoc dies in a recursive plop **

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f4hy:

iamlindoro: nope that didnt help

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f4hy:

iamlindoro: it gave me some menu screen, but i still couldnt read it

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** iamlindoro shrugs **

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iamlindoro:

erm, so it's *different*?

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iamlindoro:

bah, go buy an nVidia card

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iamlindoro:

anyway, home

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gbee:

sounds like broken mesa packages

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f4hy:

iamlindoro: ya, I will have to get an nVidia card I guess.

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gbee:

nah, the problem isn't related to the card, just the gl packages I'm guessing

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gbee:

are you running any non-standard packages? Say from a PPA or experimental repo?

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f4hy:

Nope, FRESH install of mythbuntu

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f4hy:

9.04

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f4hy:

mythbuntu worked for me 3 years ago, but I have not used ubuntu in a while, so I might just start over and install on a distro I know more about so I can debug better.

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gbee:

it's definitely broken mesa packages IMHO, not much you can do about that until Ubuntu fixes them

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gbee:

it won't affect nvidia because they overwrite the gl libraries with their own versions

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jduggan:

whats the difference between ct100 and ft100 cable

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jduggan:

ot for myth i know :P

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iamlindoro:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2 . . . 64924AAx8HfO

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iamlindoro:

first hit for "ct 100 ft 100"

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gbee:

way I read it, CT100 and FT100 are equivalent, but you want copper foil over aluminium if possible

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gbee:

WF100 has a foam core or something

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gbee:

making it more pliable but technically equivalent

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gbee:

that said, the cheapo cable I've got worked just fine ;)

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mycosys:

hav a small issue – should eb simple enough i think – mythbackend seems to be starting fromt he init before mysql is up, if i start it manually using the script in init.d it is fine – would it just be a matter of changing the number in rc5.d to exec it later?

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mycosys:

running fully updated mythbuntu jaunty/trunk btw – otherwise is gorgeous

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meshe:

yeah, make sure it starts after mysql, also another user had success adding a sleep in the mythbackend init script

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mycosys:

thx – mysql is S19, mythtv-backend is S24, should already be after, but – would moving it back a lil be likely to help?

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clever:

mycosys: i think the mysql script starts it in the background

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mycosys:

mysql starts fine – and yes – in background – just doesnt seem to be up by the time mythbackend starts

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clever:

mycosys: but it may still be starting, when the mysql start script returns

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mycosys:

ahhh

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clever:

so its still starting up(in the bg) when the init system fires up the next script

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mycosys:

which would normally be a good thing lol

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clever:

which is why a sleep in the mythbackend script would help

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** kormoc sighs **

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mycosys:

reluctant to use a sleep as i use the init.d script to start it if it should fall over – toherwise end up with permissions errors

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kormoc:

I love clever talk, mycosys says the script starts in the background and so clever suggests that the script might start in the background...

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clever:

kormoc: i'm going by what i remember from somewhere else

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kormoc:

but you didn't bother to read what was being said in here

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mycosys:

i think was a comment on restating the problem

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mycosys:

really need a test in the init.d script for mythbackend to test for sql availability and otherwise sleep

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clever:

mycosys: if you read the mysql init.d script, you can see how it checks to see if mysql is running, and could use a similar method in the mythtv script

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mycosys:

thats more like it

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kormoc:

you should report it upstream to the mythbuntu folks so they can fix it

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mycosys:

also good idea – was ok til going for the trunk ppa repos

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