Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: In which directories are the graphics for mythgames being stored?

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iamlindoro:

They're set by the user

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->Media Settings->Game Settings->General

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iamlindoro:

(at least, as of current trunk)

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RDV_Linux:

Ok, I am concerned that they were in the same directories as for mythvideo, The Jamu -MJ janitor function would end up removing them as they are not associated with any video files. Could a user could set the mythgame graphics directories to be the same as the mythvideo graphics directories?

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iamlindoro:

They could

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iamlindoro:

That would be their own fault, though

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iamlindoro:

as that would make them stupid :)

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clever:

iamlindoro: do you use a joystick with mythfrontend, i think i remember you saying you did

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iamlindoro:

Only with games in mythgame

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clever:

ah

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RDV_Linux:

Stupidity is way too common for programmers to ignore.

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iamlindoro:

Greyfoxx does, though

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clever:

i just patched it to make the throttle act as a volume knob

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, yes, but all the same, that's going to be an extreme corner case

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, I would make a note of it in the docs and let them figure it out on their own

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iamlindoro:

IMO, even though it's growing on me, I expect a very very small percentage of myth users use mythgame

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iamlindoro:

and fewer still will use MythGame and JAMU, and fewer *still* w/ the Janitor option

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RDV_Linux:

I will most likely put in a simple check and stop the janitor function if the game graphics directories are the same. I am into that code anyways.

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clever:

ive found that the zsnes emulator is performing alot poorer then i remember it being

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, cool

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clever:

any tips on that?

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iamlindoro:

clever, I don't use zsnes

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clever:

what console do you emulate?, and with which emulator?

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iamlindoro:

only have some NES games, Scumm games, and some PC games via WINE

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clever:

ah

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iamlindoro:

fceu

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iamlindoro:

scummvm, and wine/bashscripts

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jams:

RDV_Linux- so if the video graphics were kept in the same directory as mythgallery, would that cause problems?

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iamlindoro:

(yes)

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iamlindoro:

well, only if the pictures of your child's birth disappearing is a problem :)

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jams:

thats aproblem then. I know several people whoe keep videoart in the same place as the gallery

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RDV_Linux:

jams: TROUBLE. The janitor option cleans out any mythvideo graphics directories of graphic file not associated with a videoemetadata.

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jams:

what if video is it's own subdir ?

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jams:

say /images/posters

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jams:

where /images is mythgallery and /images/posters is all things video related

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jams:

that seems like it might be ok

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RDV_Linux:

I will take a hard look at the janitor code and these potential issues. I do not think jamu climbs the subdirectory tree for video graphics although I will have to check. In general I would rather check for graphics directories used for more than one purpose and just stop the janitor option.

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RDV_Linux:

jams: Thanks for bringing the mythgallery issue to my attention.

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iamlindoro:

yeah, good catch

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iamlindoro:

you may want to employ a check for file types, too

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: so the only thing of note is lines 27–30?

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iamlindoro:

ie if there's anything but a graphics file there, abort, or require user to confirm

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RDV_Linux:

I do not remove any non-graphic files and only "png", "jpg", "bmp"

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iamlindoro:

cool, so nobody will lose recordings/DB backups etc.

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RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Correct, just a try/except around the return when trying to encode the string to unicode utf8. The string the was causing the problem was the name "Penélope Cruz" with an accent over the first "e".

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RDV_Linux:

iamlondoro: The janitor function is the graphics equivalent to a mythvideo scan but for orphaned graphics files. It is meant to be run every week or two.

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I did catch the irony in your question:) No more videometadata record deletes of any kind in Jamu.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, no, nothing ironic

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iamlindoro:

If I'm being sarcastic it's obvious :)

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iamlindoro:

(this is not one of those times)

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RDV_Linux:

Sometimes I think we should rename this to the #comedy-channel.

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thedarkone:

iamlindoro can i ask why would someone want boxart and fanart on mythgames it would take for ever if they had 1000's of games

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iamlindoro:

what would take forever?

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iamlindoro:

I wanted it, I wrote the code. If you don't want it, don't use it

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thedarkone:

i was just asking

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iamlindoro:

What would take forever?

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thedarkone:

getting all artwork and boxart

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iamlindoro:

It's purely optional

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thedarkone:

is there a script

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iamlindoro:

no

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thedarkone:

oh

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iamlindoro:

though writing one would be a welcome addition, feel free

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thedarkone:

i gota find were i can get rom database

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thedarkone:

i am guessing u only have a few games on ur box

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iamlindoro:

I don't have thousands, but I don't have few

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iamlindoro:

A list of text is ugly to me.

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thedarkone:

ahh

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thedarkone:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

I'm wondering why you care since you don't have to use it

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thedarkone:

i have every game they have made

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thedarkone:

hey iamlindoro is rom's still recorded in mysql?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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thedarkone:

some reason my says it empty

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thedarkone:

but still show in myth

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iamlindoro:

Then you're likely looking in the wrong table

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thedarkone:

romdb

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GreyFoxx:

that's not your games

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iamlindoro:

gamemetadata

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GreyFoxx:

That's metadata about a lot f games used to fill in info about roms found during a scan

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thedarkone:

i feel like a dumbass

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iamlindoro:

slow Saturday

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iamlindoro:

you'd think people had families or lives or something

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wagnerrp:

better than a Lazy Sunday

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mycosys1:

hmmm – is a lazy sunday here lol

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wagnerrp:

*woosh*

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iamlindoro:

I got it ;)

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wagnerrp:

apparently mycosys1 doesnt spend much time in the more worthless areas of the net

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Smirnov:

anyone know the difference between UPnP and DLNA?

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** wagnerrp is stumped on turning a negative double into a pair of signed int **

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wagnerrp:

UPnP is a generic specification describing autodiscovery, file transfer, and a range of other things

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wagnerrp:

DNLA is a very limited subset of the capabilities of UPnP

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** mycosys1 is stumped as to which of the worthless areas he is missing lol **

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Smirnov:

well what's the difference when it comes to streaming video

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wagnerrp:

specifically for video distribution

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Smirnov:

cause my video player supports DLNA

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Smirnov:

and I am wondernig if mythtv is what I should be using to do the streaming

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wagnerrp:

if you use mpeg encoders or digital tuners, youre probably safe

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mycosys1:

anyone here using trunk via the mythbuntu repos on 9.4?

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wagnerrp:

if youre using framegrabbers, transcoding, or doing anything that might create nuvs, you need to look elsewhere

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Smirnov:

mmm I just need to stream whatever videos I might have to the video player :-\

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Smirnov:

not live video or anything

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wagnerrp:

no hardware player is going to support nuvs, and mythtv will not transcode on-the-fly

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Smirnov:

whats nuvs again? bluray?

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wagnerrp:

nupplevideo, myth's in-house container format

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Smirnov:

oh yeah I dont think I will be using that since I don't do any recording

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mycosys1:

!trunk

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Smirnov:

what would be something that does support transcoding incase i needed that though?

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mycosys1:

mythtv

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Smirnov:

i already used mythtv (directly on my pc) before but not as a upnp server

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wagnerrp:

i believe fuppes and mediatomb both support transcoding

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wagnerrp:

mycosys1: mythtv can transcode as a batch process, but it has no capability of doing that on-demand

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Smirnov:

so does any video player that supports DLNA pretty much work with what most people call UPnP video streaming?

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wagnerrp:

sadly, many manufacturers have bent the term 'universal' over a barrel

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Smirnov:

well i know my video player supports DLNA but every site I go to for OSS video streaming mentions upnp not dlna

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iamlindoro:

any DLNA product that is a media streamer is by defintion uPnP certified

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Smirnov:

so I would just be able to use anything that streams upnp with it?

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wagnerrp:

you should... yes

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iamlindoro:

no, you'd be able to use anything that streams uPnP in the format it demands with it

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iamlindoro:

if it doesn't support the codecs/containers you have in your myth video library over uPnP, then you won't be able to play those files

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iamlindoro:

take, for example, the xbox 360 or ps3

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iamlindoro:

both are DLNA/uPnp clients

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iamlindoro:

neither plays most of what regular people have in their libraries via uPnP

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wagnerrp:

the 360 is DNLA compliant?

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wagnerrp:

i thought it would only accept servers masquerading as Media Centers

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iamlindoro:

yes, 360 is DLNA

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Smirnov:

hmm so i need something that transcodes?

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wagnerrp:

seem comment way back

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wagnerrp:

s/seem/see/

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iamlindoro:

depends entirely on the capabilities of your player. Again.

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Dagmar:

uPnP is just the communication mechanism

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wagnerrp:

anything off an mpeg encoder (IVTV card) should be fairly universally playable

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Dagmar:

Might as well be looking for a web browser that supports HTTP

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Dagmar:

Those are just a bitch to find, let me tell you

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wagnerrp:

anything from a digital tuner should have pretty good compatibility, but some devices may not have AC3 support, or may not support the necessary bitrate

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wagnerrp:

anything off a framegrabber, not a chance of direct playback

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iamlindoro:

or just be bastards like the 360

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iamlindoro:

which won't play MPEG-2 over uPnP

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iamlindoro:

but will happily play it from a DVD

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iamlindoro:

go figure

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wagnerrp:

divx/xvid in avis, should have pretty good compatibility, as should h264 and aac in mp4s (assuming sane encoding options)

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wagnerrp:

mkvs and ogms... likely very little compatibility

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wagnerrp:

anything that will not directly playback will require transcoding, which mythtv will not do for you

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wagnerrp:

try the aforementioned fuppes or mediatomb

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Smirnov:

hmm do transcoders usually support playing dvd

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Smirnov:

like the vob files i think?

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wagnerrp:

theres probably other linux software that will work as well

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Smirnov:

would any probs even play vobs or is that a pipe dream

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Smirnov:

would any progs*

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wagnerrp:

awesome... seems i dont need to do anything special to split negative longs into ints

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wagnerrp:

Smirnov: you might find something to do that... but youre better off either ripping it normally, or just putting the disk in a dvd player

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Smirnov:

yeah i guess so

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Smirnov:

and nothing supports playing bluray rips right?

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wagnerrp:

does mythvideo support playback of ISOs?

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wagnerrp:

Smirnov: i dont know the state of m2ts or evob support on hardware devices

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devinpitcher:

So is Schedules Direct the only option at this point?

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wagnerrp:

the only sensible one, yes

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wagnerrp:

you *can* use EIT for the show or two (maybe as much as a day) that youre likely to get

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devinpitcher:

Is it worth the $20?

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GreyFoxx:

heck yeah

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wagnerrp:

you *can* try to find an XMLTV provider, but given the availability of SD, theres not much incentive to write a scraper

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GreyFoxx:

like 0.05 a day

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GreyFoxx:

more than worth it:)

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wagnerrp:

its $20/year, and you never have to worry about it again

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mycosys1:

wish icetv was that cheap lol

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devinpitcher:

Cool. I hope they don't go away like zap2it did. I was reading tutorial after tutorial, and it was all for zap2it, only to find out it closed back in 2007.

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GreyFoxx:

sd isn't going away anytime soon

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wagnerrp:

schedules direct came about because zap2it went away

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wagnerrp:

schedules direct uses the same data from the same provider as zap2it

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devinpitcher:

Oh, cool. So if zap2it.com shows the correct listing for my area, then thats what SD will give me?

[04:33:53]

wagnerrp:

yes

[04:34:12]

wagnerrp:

im wondering what youre doing asking these questions now... didnt zap2it die like two years ago?

[04:34:34]

GreyFoxx:

just the free listings for us

[04:34:43]

GreyFoxx:

zap2it is still active

[04:34:56]

devinpitcher:

Well, i just decided to build a DVR today and found mythTV, and all the tutorials I found mentioned zap2it. They must have been old... :P

[04:35:30]

devinpitcher:

well, zap2it *Labs* is dead ...

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wagnerrp:

yeah, 0.20.2 was released (in 2007?) to make the transition from zap2it to schedulesdirect

[04:36:14]

devinpitcher:

Oh wow. Yeah, my tutorials must have been pretty old. I saw one with Kevin Rose and some other guy on Google, and they talked about getting the labs account and all

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wagnerrp:

youre better off not using those... they likely have a lot of stuff wrong

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devinpitcher:

well, i was gonna use KnoppMyth. is that good?

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wagnerrp:

its abandoned

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devinpitcher:

Really? Its being updated on its website... :/

[04:38:06]

wagnerrp:

knoppmyth moved from knoppix to arch, and got renamed to linhes

[04:38:34]

wagnerrp:

that was some time early this year

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devinpitcher:

Oh, I see.

[04:38:55]

devinpitcher:

So whats the best approach to MythTV for a newbie then?

[04:39:05]

wagnerrp:

do you have any experience in linux?

[04:39:34]

devinpitcher:

Yeah. I also run Mac OS X so I have alot of terminal knoledge and UNIX knowledge

[04:39:47]

** Dagmar snickers **

[04:39:51]

wagnerrp:

what distro do you prefer?

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devinpitcher:

I used to use MEPIS a while back, and then used Ubuntu and Kubuntu, but it doesn't really matter.

[04:40:50]

wagnerrp:

then youre probably best off sticking to mythbuntu

[04:41:17]

devinpitcher:

Ok. I'll look that up.

[04:41:21]

wagnerrp:

which means using the mythbuntu install docs as well... they do things a bit differently than a normal source install

[04:41:22]

devinpitcher:

Also, is the hauppauge WinTV PVR 150 any good?

[04:41:35]

wagnerrp:

that is the recommended analog capture/tuner card

[04:41:46]

devinpitcher:

Awesome. I found it on Craigslist for $40

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wagnerrp:

that and the 500, depending on your needs

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devinpitcher:

I have Comcast Cable, standard 90 or so channels.

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wagnerrp:

$40 seems a bit high... but i guess you dont have to deal with shipping and paypal/ebay issues

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Dagmar:

Wait, wait...

[04:42:37]

wagnerrp:

dont expect those 90 channels for long

[04:42:50]

Dagmar:

Someone comes in and wants some advice about what to run, someone tells him a canned distro and he accepts that?

[04:42:50]

devinpitcher:

Why?

[04:43:09]

Dagmar:

No complaining that we're insuling him by not helping him piece it together on an old FBSD he found?

[04:43:13]

devinpitcher:

Well, I just started looking at this stuff TODAY, so idk anything about it really.

[04:43:15]

Dagmar:

It's a trick

[04:43:20]

Dagmar:

This has to be some kind of new troll

[04:43:28]

Dagmar:

People taking advice gracefully... Riiiiight

[04:43:32]

devinpitcher:

Wha-?

[04:43:45]

devinpitcher:

Im not a troll. Google my name

[04:43:50]

devinpitcher:

Im a real person

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Dagmar:

Oh you won't trick me that way!

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GreyFoxx:

devinpitcher: Many peoplecome in and ask questions only to yell at s when we tell them answers they don't like :)

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GreyFoxx:

so you ar e abreathe of fresh air )

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devinpitcher:

wtf? I just wanted some help

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wagnerrp:

dont mind him, hes just making jokes about you being a lot easier to help than the normal person in here

[04:44:45]

clever:

GreyFoxx: do you use a joystick to control mythfrontend much?

[04:44:45]

Dagmar:

I'm being sarcastic

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wagnerrp:

the whole, 'its quiet... too quiet' sort of thing

[04:45:03]

devinpitcher:

Geeze, got me worked up there. :P

[04:45:08]

GreyFoxx:

clever: Now. It's confiured but I rarely use it :)

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GreyFoxx:

s/now/no

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clever:

GreyFoxx: does it have a throttle control?

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GreyFoxx:

no

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wagnerrp:

anyway, comcast has been transitioning their markets over to digital with DTAs

[04:45:38]

GreyFoxx:

gamepad like device

[04:45:41]

Dagmar:

devinpitcher: Generally the response we get from telling someone to run Mythbuntu or something is along the lines of "OMG U THINK I R STPUID! THAT R SLOW! HALP ME BUILD THIS ON MY OMGTIMIZED GENTOO DAMNIT"

[04:45:46]

clever:

GreyFoxx: ah, was looking for somebody to test my patch

[04:45:51]

clever:

GreyFoxx: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6713

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Dagmar:

I'm pleased to see you. :)

[04:45:59]

devinpitcher:

But yeah, im builing a new rig for this soon, but for now, is a P4 1.7 with 512mb OK, with the PVR 150?

[04:46:01]

clever:

it basicaly turns the throttle into a volume control

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Dagmar:

clever; I used to have a throttle like that on my car

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wagnerrp:

they cut their analog lineup down to about 30 channels, and then you rent a little $1/mo box to access the previously analog channels using clearQAM

[04:46:52]

wagnerrp:

although when that happens, you can just grab any QAM tuner, and access the channels digitally directly

[04:47:07]

devinpitcher:

so wait, I wont get all my channels?

[04:47:10]

GreyFoxx:

yeah I don't have one

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Dagmar:

It

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wagnerrp:

you will have to contact comcast to see what their rollout schedule is for your area

[04:47:44]

Dagmar:

It's just a prediction based on some of the sleazy stuff some francises are pulling

[04:48:10]

Dagmar:

They haven't done anything like that here yet

[04:48:28]

wagnerrp:

it has primarily been on the west coast

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devinpitcher:

Maybe I missaid this: will i get all the same channels i would get if i plugged the cable directly into a tv?

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Dagmar:

I think it's partly that there's a lot of activist geeks here who would get in their faces about it, and partly that there's a shortage of managers who would be the ones to say "Hey, I've got an idea how to screw the customers even more" at the moment

[04:49:04]

wagnerrp:

with an analog tuner, yes, for now

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Dagmar:

devinpitcher: Unless you've seen your cable co yammering on about it, all your analog cable channels should be fine

[04:49:39]

devinpitcher:

Ok

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Dagmar:

Anything you can pick up without an STB (set top box) you should be able to pick up with a PVR-150/500

[04:49:43]

wagnerrp:

read http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan for more information

[04:50:08]

devinpitcher:

Dagmar: Just what I wanted :)

[04:50:09]

Dagmar:

Once they start leaning on their customers to try to force them to go digital tho, expect channels to start disappearing

[04:50:11]

wagnerrp:

and anything you can pick up with their new DTAs, you can pick up with any QAM tuner

[04:50:19]

Dagmar:

But it *could* be a blessing in disguise

[04:50:26]

Dagmar:

Here they took away two channels

[04:50:33]

Dagmar:

Home Shopping Network, and G4.

[04:51:06]

devinpitcher:

Yeah, we got in the mail something about 2 free complimentary "boxes"

[04:51:14]

devinpitcher:

is that to convert to digital?

[04:51:16]

Dagmar:

Yes, I'm really feeling that a network that airs chauvanist pig videos and things like "Hurl" is really hurting my lifestyle by it's absence

[04:51:21]

Smirnov:

does windows have upnp support or something, so i can test my upnp server easily

[04:51:22]

wagnerrp:

that converts FROM digital

[04:51:28]

Dagmar:

Smirnov: It actually does

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Smirnov:

upnp support as a client*

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wagnerrp:

Smirnov: vista or better

[04:51:37]

Smirnov:

yeah I've got vista

[04:51:39]

Dagmar:

Nuh uh

[04:51:40]

Smirnov:

is it just in media player?

[04:51:43]

Dagmar:

XP will do it too

[04:51:57]

wagnerrp:

Dagmar: not with microsoft software

[04:52:01]

devinpitcher:

So when we get that "box" i'll still have my channels?

[04:52:02]

Dagmar:

I might have prodded something from Microsoft's Knowledge Base, but my Myth box shows up here with XP, man

[04:52:15]

Dagmar:

It's just relatively useless functionality

[04:52:25]

wagnerrp:

microsoft arbitrarily blocks WMP11 from using UPNP under XP

[04:52:27]

devinpitcher:

So maybe I should just look for a *digital* tuner card?

[04:52:35]

Dagmar:

devinpitcher: When you switch to using an STB things become marginally more complex, but that's about it

[04:52:41]

Dagmar:

A digital tuner card won't help

[04:53:27]

devinpitcher:

Sigh, so I basically have till October to use this before it gets hard.

[04:53:44]

wagnerrp:

analog cable is very easy

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wagnerrp:

digital cable, you have a few options

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GreyFoxx:

You could still record from the outputs of a settop box if they go all digital

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wagnerrp:

you can get a digital tuner, and try your luck with clearQAM (and since comcast is moving to DTAs, you should get a fair number of channels this way)

[04:54:33]

Dagmar:

...but only until Comcast notices

[04:54:39]

devinpitcher:

Well, the only settop we have is on the first floor, while I am on the second. Thats too hard, and I dont want to wire anything up

[04:54:43]

wagnerrp:

you can get a cablebox, and capture using the firewire ports

[04:54:49]

Dagmar:

In most regions Comcast won't even let their people get video over firewire

[04:55:06]

wagnerrp:

or you can get a cablebox and capture using the analog outputs with a 150 or HDPVR

[04:55:10]

devinpitcher:

Here is the box we will get: http://picasaweb.google.com/virgegx/ComcastDTAUnboxing#

[04:55:34]

wagnerrp:

the DTAs do have some form of crypto hardware, however at the moment, they are not allowed to use it

[04:55:49]

wagnerrp:

it is yet to be seen whether their lobbying will change that

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devinpitcher:

screw this DTV transition. Making this hard for me. :(

[04:56:47]

wagnerrp:

do you have a digital tv?

[04:57:52]

devinpitcher:

I will be using a computer LCD with DVI and VGA

[04:58:01]

wagnerrp:

ok... nevermind then

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devinpitcher:

why?

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wagnerrp:

i was going to say if you had a digital tv, you could plug it into the cable line, do a scan, and anything you pick up would also be receivable by a digital tuner

[05:00:58]

devinpitcher:

So when I get this box, is it going to not allow me to use it with an analog card? Sorry if i ask a lot of qesions: not very good with this stuff

[05:01:16]

wagnerrp:

that box is nothing more than a QAM tuner

[05:01:35]

wagnerrp:

you plug it into the cable line, it tunes QAM channels, and outputs analog (svideo or composite)

[05:01:56]

wagnerrp:

you *can* capture the video off that box using an analog card

[05:02:06]

wagnerrp:

however the much better option is to just buy your own QAM tuner card

[05:02:09]

wagnerrp:

and not bother with the box

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devinpitcher:

is the PVR 150 a QAM tuner card, or no?

[05:02:45]

wagnerrp:

no, analog only

[05:03:11]

wagnerrp:

the 1600 is effectively a 150 plus an ATSC/QAM tuner

[05:03:38]

wagnerrp:

the 1800 and 2250 will also do analog+digital, but the analog sides on those cards do not currently work with mythtv

[05:04:15]

wagnerrp:

however, unless you have limited PCI[e] slots, its cheaper to just buy a 150 now, and a QAM tuner when it comes to that

[05:04:21]

devinpitcher:

well, i'm not big on money here, so if i get the PVR 150 and the comcast box, am I OK? I dont mind having the box, as long as i still get my channels...

[05:04:30]

devinpitcher:

yeah

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devinpitcher:

i think ill do taht

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devinpitcher:

Hmm, theses a problem with this box though. You use it as a set top box. You leave your TV on channel 3 and the box changes channels. How would that work with mythTV for changing channels?

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wagnerrp:

you dont use the tuner, you use the svideo inputs on the capture card

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wagnerrp:

and then you use an external channel changer script with an IR blaster to change the channels on the box

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devinpitcher:

... so is it easier to get a digital card then, with a QAM tuner?

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wagnerrp:

that depends... most QAM channels are encrypted

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wagnerrp:

i only get the local broadcast channels over QAM

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wagnerrp:

however in your case, you should be able to pick up most of the channels you would otherwise get over analog, because of the DTAs

[05:12:29]

wagnerrp:

the standard cable channels you would get over QAM will probably be standard definition

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wagnerrp:

however with a digital card, you should be able to get the high definition versions of the local broadcast channels

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wagnerrp:

your 1.7 P4 is incapable of decoding those in software

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devinpitcher:

I will be using a Dual Core Celeron 2GHz later on

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wagnerrp:

but you should be able to manage it if you have a video card capable of XvMC (partial hardware offload of mpeg2 decoding)

[05:13:53]

wagnerrp:

anything that is a Core2 or derivative should be able to manage HD mpeg2

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clever:

ive found some mpeg2 that makes my c2d 1.8ghz struggle or choke

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wagnerrp:

i believe the dual core celerons are all allendale (core2) cores

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clever:

but it was unsliced

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devinpitcher:

Yes, they are.

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wagnerrp:

ALLLLLL mpeg2 is unsliced

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clever:

ah

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wagnerrp:

slicing is a h264/vc1 thing

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clever:

that explains it:)

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devinpitcher:

So whats the cheapest digital card thats good you can think of?

[05:17:38]

devinpitcher:

Hows the Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1250

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wagnerrp:

i have one, its great, but its pcie

[05:19:03]

wagnerrp:

and your 1.7P4 board probably has no pcie slots

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devinpitcher:

the new board im getting will. hmm

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Dagmar:

If you think you might be getting digital HD cable you might consider the HD-PVR

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wagnerrp:

trunk might be getting a little ahead of ourselves here

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Dagmar:

Yeah

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wagnerrp:

although it seems 0.22 may not be long off

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devinpitcher:

Well, we get HD Digital here with a DVR box

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devinpitcher:

but i wanted to build this dvr for my room upstairs

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wagnerrp:

but then the HDPVR is not cheap

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abqjp:

http://www.amazon.com/Hauppauge-1212-Definiti . . . p/B0018LX0DY

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devinpitcher:

I'm just trying to get the cheapest possible card so I can get my channels, without it being messed up with this DTV transiotion

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FR^2:

hiho

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mycosys1:

!ask

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FR^2:

Hmm? Why? At the moment I have no specific question ;)

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KaZeR:

i do have one :) i'm trying to use xbmc (linux port) as a mythtv frontend

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KaZeR:

from the wiki i should use mythtv:// url, but it doens't work (exact message is coming)

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KaZeR:

'unable to connect to server'. does this part relies upon uPNP?

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KaZeR:

i guess no since i have to explicitely configure the IP address

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KaZeR:

xbmc and mythtv backend are on the same computer

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khoj_:

hello

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khoj_:

my recordings for few of the channels fail at the end of the recording, when the new recording is to start

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khoj_:

i am using cable

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khoj_:

all the channels on one mplexid dont face this issue

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khoj_:

channels on the remaining mplex ids have this issue

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khoj_:

behavior on live tv is random

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khoj_:

sometimes i can change; sometimes i get a partial lock and frontend also hangs

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khoj_:

should i suspect the signal (cable)

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khoj_:

please give me some pointers to troubleshoot

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khoj_:

the signal strength is above 93%

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FR^2:

KaZeR: Hmm. I never used xmbc before, it looks nice. But how do I access mythtv by it?

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fdlinux:

hi all

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fdlinux:

first to say , i love mythtv

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fdlinux:

have been using it for years

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fdlinux:

but having a problem with a new install with fedora 11 , i have a medion saa7134 card wich gets detected but the sound doesn't

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fdlinux:

alsamixer -c 1 gives me control over the sound on the tv card

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FR^2:

What sound card do you have?

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tanderson:

fdlinux: did you set the audio input setting in MythSetup->Capture Cards ?

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tanderson:

should be /dev/dspX

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fdlinux:

that's the problem , there are no /dev/dsp files

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fdlinux:

checked in fedora channel and they been replaced with alsa in /dev/snd/

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fdlinux:

that's what i am trying , to set in mythtv-setup

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laga:

then enable the oss compatbility

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fdlinux:

how ?

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tanderson:

so fedora doesn't have oss compatibility anymore?

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fdlinux:

its now pulseaudio appereantly , but i removed it

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laga:

pulseaudio is a layer on top of alsa

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fdlinux:

alsamixer -c 1 gives met control over the sound output of my saa7134 tv card

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coldpenguin:

Anybody fancy what is going to be a difficult problem I suspect?

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coldpenguin:

I had a working system with mythtv 0.21, running from ATRPMS

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coldpenguin:

Two backends, two dedicated diskless frontends

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coldpenguin:

One backend was FC7, so I wanted to upgrade, and have done so.....

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laga:

fdlinux: look up oss compat on fedora 11.

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tanderson:

wagnerrp: i got the audio thing fixed. I had to match the sampling rate that I captured off the card with the sampling rate I encode the audio stuff into(mp3)

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coldpenguin:

1 master backend, with DVB-T hauppage USB2 recorders, 1 slave backend with a hauppage DVB-S PCI card, + frontend

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sphery:

enable OSS compatibility = load OSS compatibility ALSA modules, such as snd-pcm-oss , snd-mixer-oss , and snd-seq-oss

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coldpenguin:

master backend is F11, slave backend F10, installed to trunk

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sphery:

and you really need to get rid of Pulse for a Myth box

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sphery:

or, just use MythDora = Fedora that's /already/ configured properly for Myth

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coldpenguin:

slave backend/frontend can watch all recordings, laptop running F11 can watch all recordings. Diskless frontend, running F11, can only watch 50% of recordings from DVB-T, and all recordings from DVB-S, the other couple of recordings cause mythfrontend to crash and generate a bug report

[12:38:46]

coldpenguin:

This is as the recording starts.

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fdlinux:

sphery: thx , loaded those modules , and now i have my dsp files back

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coldpenguin:

Any ideas which area I should look at? I have tried to compare all rpms to the laptop, but apart from a few (mainly java based rpms) there seems to be no difference.

[12:39:41]

laga:

coldpenguin: get a backtrace and report it on trac

[12:40:08]

FinnTux:

is there a way to set default language when using backend selection?

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coldpenguin:

ok thanks laga. Is there a record of this channel?

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sphery:

coldpenguin: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging (and feel free to fill out the package-specific section for your distro)

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FinnTux:

now frontend always asks it first

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sphery:

coldpenguin: http://mythtv.beirdo.ca/ircLog/channel/1/history

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coldpenguin:

thanks

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sphery:

FinnTux: means your ~/.mythtv/config.xml is broken --fix it (edit by hand if necessary and/or find a copy on another system and copy it to the right place)

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sphery:

broken, in this case, probably means nonexistant

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fdlinux:

found that there i al line in vi /etc/modprobe.d/dist-oss.conf that was commented to disable oss sound in fedora

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FinnTux:

sphery, its there. but nothing about language in there.

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FinnTux:

sphery, language is ok after I select the backend I want

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FinnTux:

I just want frontend to go directly to backend selection

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fdlinux:

next problem , i am trying to find lib32nss-mdns for fedora11 64 bit

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fdlinux:

tried google no luck , yum no luck

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laga:

fdlinux: ask in #fedora – this is not the right place

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pwarren:

hey folks, just wondering if there's an easy way to display stream info on livetv.

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pwarren:

i.e. how many audio channels of what type, video type and size.

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pwarren:

all that stuff.

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laga:

pwarren: you can see the audio channels in the audio channel menu

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pwarren:

laga: a yes, I see it. My main interest is in the video size, to see what passes for "HD" in this backwards capital city of Canberra.

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pwarren:

GOGO Mark Webber btw! ;)

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laga:

pwarren: you can see that in the frontend logs (might have to crank up debugging)

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pwarren:

ah, can see the audio info, video lines just say it's mpeg2. I'll look at the debugging.

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pwarren:

thanks :)

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laga:

-v playback might help

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khoj:

hello all

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khoj:

i am having some issues with few channels with recordings

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khoj:

my recordings for few of the channels fail at the end of the recording, when the new recording is to start

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khoj:

this is with cable; all the channels on one mplexid dont have this issue

[14:00:10]

khoj:

channels on the remaining mplex ids have this issue

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khoj:

should i suspect the signal strength (cable) or the card

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khoj:

on live tv – the signal strength is above 93% for all the channels – those having issues and those that dont have

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pwarren:

laga: That gives me lots of detail, only resolution I could find was about the xv display rectangle.

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pwarren:

but mplayer tells me the resulting .mpg file is 1440x1080

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pwarren:

25 fps, and 14600 kbps

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pwarren:

so, the answer is, I guess, no easy way to display the video info on the OSD.

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wagnerrp:

pwarren: try 'mplayer -identify' or 'ffmpeg -i'

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wagnerrp:

theres been discussion of adding current playback details as n OSD widget with the mythui rewrite

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wagnerrp:

but i dont know if anything has come of it

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pwarren:

wagnerrp: ah, thanks for that.

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pwarren:

wagnerrp: I'll keep an eye on the release notes for upcoming mythtv releases :)

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pwarren:

anyways, my question's been answered, and the F1 has finished, night folks, thanks for your help!

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wagnerrp:

F1?

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wagnerrp:

as in race?

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pwarren:

yeah, Formula 1.

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pwarren:

German Grand Prix.

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coldpenguin:

Was just about to log my problem with trac, however, after having re-compiled with --debug, the problem doesn't exist. #

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coldpenguin:

Is there anything in between production and debug which would be of use? SEGFAULT in mythfrontend when watching /some/ recordings

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laga:

coldpenguin: try with the profile compile type

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laga:

lyricnzzzzzzzzzz: /help away

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laga:

lyricnzzzzzzzzzz: nobody really cares if you're asleep or not. if someone cares, they can find out husing /whois :)

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coldpenguin:

Thanks,

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coldpenguin:

tried it with 'release' and gdb, mythfrontend just hung after the please wait screen

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laga:

did it crash or not?

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coldpenguin:

it hung

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coldpenguin:

it did not play the recording, it did not return to the recordings screen. This was after a minute (usually enough for either to happen)

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laga:

did GDB say anything about SIGSEGV?

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coldpenguin:

A crash is usually immediate, working is usually ~2–5 seconds

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coldpenguin:

nope.

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coldpenguin:

nada

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laga:

because gdb will prevent the app from exiting when it catches a SIGSEGV

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coldpenguin:

only complained that it didn't have the debuginfo

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laga:

ah, okay. you used *release* and gdb. i missed that

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coldpenguin:

when I used quit on gdb, it said are you sure, the program is still running

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coldpenguin:

with debug, it was quite happy.

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laga:

try profile, that comes with debug symbols and most, if not all, optimizations of the release code

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coldpenguin:

I might just run with that, it seemed fast enough (even though it is only a P4 1.4)

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coldpenguin:

Is compiling profile right now. Not the fastest thing to compile on

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laga:

well, if it is a bug, it'd be good to get it fixed :)

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coldpenguin:

I agree, but it is just whether it takes too much dev time just to reproduce the blooming thing if we can get a pointer as to where the bug is

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laga:

yep.

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coldpenguin:

Maybe one day, we will no longer run 32bit

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coldpenguin:

(hah)

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laga:

what's that got to do with anything?

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laga:

that's not going to prevent seg faults ;)

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coldpenguin:

All the 64bit machines I have here are quite happy. It is only the 32bit frontends which are crashing

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laga:

ah

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laga:

did you get the same revision from svn as you were using previously when it was crashing?

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coldpenguin:

This bug is probably an incorrect assignment from int to pointer or something, something which may not be a problem on the 64bits

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coldpenguin:

Yes, I have had this bug for a week, and this morning, updated svn on all 5 machines, then recompiled all and re-tested

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coldpenguin:

For a while (before I reinstalled the servers) I was running 0.21-fixes FE against an old atrpms F7 myth distro. I expected errors on that and accepted that differences in code were probably going to create them. So now I have kinda up-to-date systems (F10 +F11), I am running trunk so I can keep them all at the same codebase

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laga:

that's a good idea usually

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laga:

cesman: do you have trunk PKGBUILDs for arch somewhere?

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coldpenguin:

Trouble is, F7 (and now F8) were too old to recompile trunk

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jams:

laga http://linhes.org/cgit/cgit.cgi/LinHES-PKGBUI . . . 91e7ac90169c

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laga:

jams: ooooh. cesman, thanks, jams got it covered :)

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jams:

you will need to remove the myththemedmenu patches as those are now in trunk

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laga:

yeah, no problem. i was going for a vanilla build anyways

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laga:

i'm currently installing CentOS in a VM. it sounds very promising – i'm a sucker for stability

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coldpenguin:

Are you intending on running it from the VM? I thought that PCI passthrough etc. was still a tad dodgy? What virtual manager are you using?

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jams:

heh arch isn't the best for a stable set of packages.

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jams:

unless you NEVER update anything

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laga:

jams: yeah, but i can choose what i update. and i can run kde 3.5 without major pains :)

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laga:

jams: i only run arch on the laptop where i'm used to fiddling anyways

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laga:

coldpenguin: i'm not running myth in a VM

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jams:

i'm fine with it, but hate it when the kernel is a forced update

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jams:

always have to update vmware because of it

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laga:

jams: yeah, that's annoying. i'mc urrently rolling my own kernels anyways. that might change for 2.6.31.

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laga:

i get to not use pulseaudio, i get to keep hal.. that's something i prefer over the "oh hai let's switch half of the desktop stack" approach other distros take

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jams:

correct

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fdlinux:

does anyone know how it comes that i can wake up with sudo sh -c "/usr/bin/setwakeup.sh epochtime" and not with mythtv ?

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fdlinux:

epochtime represent the numbers

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jams:

why sudo sh ?

[15:35:44]

fdlinux:

because i need root and setwakeup.sh is script i need to run

[15:35:58]

jams:

sudo /usr/bin/setwakeup.sh doesn't work?

[15:36:23]

jams:

just curious, seems like a extra step that isn't needed

[15:36:33]

fdlinux:

in terminal well , but in mythtv not

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fdlinux:

i configured it in both mythtv-setup and mythwelcome

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fdlinux:

first in mythwelcom and then also in mythtvsetup

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coldpenguin:

well, if you are going to have sh, then how about /bin/sh

[15:38:15]

coldpenguin:

what is the first line of the script, will that need a full path as well?

[15:38:25]

jams:

First thing I would do is make sure it's being called by myth. Modify the script to write out to afile anytime it's called.

[15:38:41]

coldpenguin:

Assume you have tested using the same user as myth runs as as well?

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coldpenguin:

Is there still a plugin for iplayer, (mythvodka appears to be unavailable), or what is the way of using it now?

[15:53:25]

iamlindoro:

No, and mythbrowser

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coldpenguin:

ok, thanks

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fdlinux:

will try in a bit , girlfriend is watching tv

[15:58:14]

coldpenguin:

Yeah, I had to book my downtime for a couple of months with the wife (but I intended on 2 days)

[16:04:59]

coldpenguin:

finally finished the compile, time to test

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laga:

coldpenguin: use ccache?

[16:08:17]

coldpenguin:

as there is a problem related to possibly the way the binaries are optimised, I prefer to distclean

[16:08:36]

coldpenguin:

with profile, it did segfault, so at least I have something to report!

[16:09:46]

laga:

nice. now to get the backtrace :)

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coldpenguin:

done and submitted. Now to recompile in debug mode so I can use it again

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laga:

great

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coldpenguin:

one job down, now onto the next

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laga:

clever: i find it pretty impressive that your vbase hack works. *shiver*

[16:59:16]

laga:

clever: so you basically have a static field which has a reference to the latest instance of vbase?

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neoteny:

i have a wintv pvr usb. mythtv is setup and everything works great but there are issues with the remote. sometimes keys are repeating and sometimes when you press a key the key that is entered is a key that's not even close to the key pressed. the remote is new. is the grey hauppauge with the 4 colored buttons on the bottom. is this likely a hardware issue, setup issue, or bug?

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coldpenguin:

Could be a bug, could be your batteries are low (that is what happens on my remote). The remotes are usually shipped with pretty poor batteries in them

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neoteny:

coldpenguin, i put in fresh batteries.

[17:19:44]

sphery:

FinnTux: it still means your config.xml is broken... the config.xml specifies database information--once that's specified your language is determined from the setting in the DB

[17:20:35]

sphery:

FinnTux: the only other problem that could cause that is if you're using a dynamic IP address/hostname (so you're creating a new set of settings each time you start the program)

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neoteny:

i found this post which says any remote that works with lircd can be used as a mouse and you set up a button to put it in and out of mouse mode. but i can't find instructions on how to set that button up. can someone point me to a page with these instructions? http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2004-April/039327.html

[17:39:26]

iamlindoro:

man lircmd

[17:40:05]

sphery:

iamlindoro: isn't the main problem with the highlight color just that the one in default doesn't work well with all of the broken/legacy theme colors?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, No, the highlight color isn't set by the theme itself

[17:40:38]

iamlindoro:

well, it is, but it doesn't vary

[17:40:54]

iamlindoro:

default's buttons are just bad

[17:41:01]

sphery:

oh

[17:41:08]

neoteny:

iamlindoro, yeah, i have lircmd set up but pointing and clicking isn't working.

[17:41:18]

iamlindoro:

sphery, #6557 is a legit fix AFAICT

[17:41:33]

sphery:

real problem in #6714--user is using LiveTV

[17:41:50]

sphery:

(i.e. not visible channels are /never/ used by the scheduler)

[17:43:54]

iamlindoro:

that said, it *shouldn't* be possible to tune invisible channels in live TV

[17:44:53]

sphery:

yeah

[17:45:33]

sphery:

though I do believe it's wrong to define a non-tunable channel as part of a video source (i.e. video source is a list of channels tunable via a specific input)

[17:46:14]

iamlindoro:

interesting... Mythtranscode is reporting 0% through the entire transcode job for me, even though they're getting done

[17:46:29]

Dagmar:

EFFISHENSEE!

[17:46:37]

sphery:

iamlindoro: on #6557, I now see that gbee said that's the right fix back in Jan

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iamlindoro:

wonder if it might have been broken by the sync

[17:46:47]

iamlindoro:

sphery, yeah, they're just images

[17:47:39]

iamlindoro:

sphery, still would rather people actually start writing themes and make it moot though :)

[17:47:46]

sphery:

exactly

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iamlindoro:

but both is good too

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clever:

laga: yep

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sphery:

I think, actually, the LiveTV tuning not visible channels was broken by other stup^H^H^H^Hchanges like "Allow LiveTV to browse across inputs"

[17:49:50]

clever:

laga: the only real problem i can see, is that the OSD doesnt react at all

[17:50:24]

sphery:

(the almost stupid not because of the code, but because the whole idea simply adds complexity to LiveTV, which is already a big enough mess--and, of course, because LiveTV is inherently stupid)

[17:50:27]

clever:

so the only feedback that its working, is stdout and the speakers

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sphery:

gbee: another approach is to make the images in the default/default-wide themes as ugly/bright as possible so that people are actually motivated to make real themes

[17:57:08]

iamlindoro:

That's the reason the legacy themes should be set on fire :)

[17:57:11]

sphery:

might also have the added benefit of making people think that svn rm'ing the legacy themes isn't a bad idea

[17:57:42]

Dagmar:

Where did that background of day-glo maple leaves run off to?

[17:57:45]

iamlindoro:

Not because I dislike them, but just to force them getting fixed

[17:57:50]

Dagmar:

That thing was win

[17:57:58]

iamlindoro:

Though it seems at least 3 or 4 people are doing their own ports of Blootube

[17:58:19]

sphery:

ah, what a wonderful idea

[17:58:36]

sphery:

port a theme--designed under the constraints of the old/inflexible UI--to the new UI

[17:58:49]

iamlindoro:

Blootube is a nice theme, it's one of the few that is nice enough that a port would be an okay thing

[17:58:50]

sphery:

instead of actually taking advantage of/designing for the new capabilities of hte new UI

[17:59:02]

iamlindoro:

especially for folks who are running or more limited hardware that new themes may make choke

[17:59:08]

Dagmar:

[17:59:26]

sphery:

heh, blootube was actually one of the heaviest of the old themes...

[17:59:34]

sphery:

(within top 2, IIRC)

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iamlindoro:

I did see a users list message about someone using Graphite on their VIA with minimyth, god love 'em

[18:00:05]

sphery:

can the via's even do GL painter?

[18:00:20]

iamlindoro:

dunno

[18:00:30]

iamlindoro:

Software GL maybe?

[18:00:35]

wagnerrp:

sure.... it just takes a long time because they dont have much spare CPU to run MESA

[18:00:59]

sphery:

heh

[18:02:06]

Dagmar:

Doublecheck... VDPAU does h.264, right?

[18:02:11]

iamlindoro:

yeah

[18:02:12]

wagnerrp:

yeah

[18:02:37]

wagnerrp:

mpeg1 (for no real need), mpeg2, h264 (up to L4.1), and VC1 (up to L3?)

[18:02:41]

** sphery starts work on CUDA-based acceleration for Mesa **

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iamlindoro:

Heeeeere cuda cuda cuda... good cuda

[18:03:42]

Dagmar:

Thanks

[18:03:51]

Dagmar:

That's what I thought but someone elsewhere was disagreeing

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robbins876:

Anyone well versed in lirc?

[18:42:22]

laga:

anyone well versed in meta questions?

[18:42:25]

tanderson:

just ask a question, I might be :)

[18:42:42]

robbins876:

I have installed lirc through Yum on Fedora 10

[18:42:52]

robbins876:

all went well, so far as i can tell

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robbins876:

IRW shows nothing, however. BUt i'm sure that's because I have yet to properly assign a device to lirc

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robbins876:

or lirc.conf whatever it is.

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hippiehunter:

Hi, I'm having a problem with my MythTV frontend. my video is being tiled verticaly. Esentialy its getting stretched out to the sides of the TV then repeatedly tiled verticaly.

[18:48:30]

hippiehunter:

ive searched around in the FAQ's and forums and my problem lies in a very search polluted area so ive not been able to find anything

[18:48:39]

wagnerrp:

isnt there some problem with one of the ATI drivers that causes that?

[18:49:08]

hippiehunter:

I have an AMD760G so that sounds like something that would affect me

[18:49:22]

hippiehunter:

are there any work arounds?

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wagnerrp:

dont know, never had to deal with it

[18:51:10]

wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: you around?

[18:51:38]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: Yes

[18:52:16]

wagnerrp:

two questions

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wagnerrp:

first, im updating the export script to automatically use '-c ~/.mythtv/ttvdb.conf' if it finds a file there

[18:52:38]

RDV_Linux:

go for it

[18:52:52]

wagnerrp:

and im trying to correct for one specific episode of the office

[18:53:11]

wagnerrp:

its 'Lecture Circuit' from SD, but 'Lecture Circuit Part 1' on ttvdb

[18:53:27]

hippiehunter:

I suppose i will try installing different ATI drivers

[18:53:27]

wagnerrp:

is there any way to correct for that without hosing up 'Lecture Circuit Part 2'?

[18:53:57]

wagnerrp:

maybe with a '$' to denote the regex end-of-string?

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wagnerrp:

the other issue, now im starting to get unicode errors when using the '-D' option

[18:56:05]

fdlinux:

well i did the test , and mythtv is not writing into the file

[18:56:17]

iamlindoro:

ATI problem = using Bob deinterlace

[18:56:26]

iamlindoro:

no need for new drivers, just configure playback profiles properly

[18:56:34]

wagnerrp:

http://pastebin.ca/1492939

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RDV_Linux:

Correcting for a specific episode is not possible. Only configuration settings for series and formatiing for all episodes in a series *only the series 24 had that episode issue). ttvdb.py should handle "xyz – SxxExx – new episode (1)" and "xyz – SxxExx – new episode (2)" but not "Part 1" and "Part2"

[18:56:42]

fdlinux:

and if i do it manual with the script , then it writes to the file

[18:57:42]

wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: well i was just going to do something like 'The Office: "Lecture Circuit","Lecture Circuit Part 1"' in the [ep_name_massage] section

[18:59:00]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: That may work changing "Part 1" to "(1)". As for the unicode error give me a second to see if I get that problem.

[19:00:15]

fdlinux:

made a screenshot of my mythwelcome setup : http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/468/70047309.jpg

[19:00:59]

wagnerrp:

what did you do, its all gibberish

[19:01:10]

robbins876:

Anyone have any experience with gnome-lirc-properties?

[19:01:22]

fdlinux:

anyone know what is wrong with settings?

[19:01:38]

iamlindoro:

laga, Wow, there *are* a lot of metaquestions today...

[19:02:04]

robbins876:

I will re-phrase...

[19:02:33]

iamlindoro:

Hee hee, "Commando"

[19:02:59]

fdlinux:

someone here that can help me pls ?

[19:03:12]

robbins876:

using gnome-lirc-properties to setup my philips mceremote...gnome-lirc-properities has an "unlock" button that requires authentication (I assume root)...i type in my PW and it gets denied. I can't unlock the app. Any idea why or how to rectify?

[19:03:45]

iamlindoro:

robbins876, that's definitely an question for your distro people

[19:04:12]

iamlindoro:

or you could go old school and just invoke it from a command line...

[19:04:26]

tanderson:

wagnerrp: did you get my message about that sound issue?

[19:04:34]

wagnerrp:

yeah, glad its working now

[19:05:11]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: I am not getting the unicode error see (http://pastebin.ca/1492944). I suspect you may be using an old version of ttvdb.py please replace what you have with v0.9.6 at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6242 if you are already using v0.9.6 then I suspect thae account running ttvdb.py does not have a utf8 locale.

[19:05:37]

wagnerrp:

yeah... 096 recent? i just picked up 095 a week or so ago

[19:05:39]

RDV_Linux:

s/thae/the/

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tanderson:

wagnerrp: really strange problem it was anyway

[19:05:53]

iamlindoro:

.0.9.6 is yesterday I think

[19:06:21]

wagnerrp:

28 hours ago apparently

[19:06:49]

RDV_Linux:

If you had 095 then may be it is the locale. I really only resynced the tvdb_api for 096.

[19:07:18]

wagnerrp:

nope, same issue on 096

[19:08:03]

iamlindoro:

xris, don't suppose you would consider a "quick delete" button on mythweb/tv/schedules?

[19:08:22]

iamlindoro:

erasing a lot of rules can be a pain, entering each, switching to "never record" and saving

[19:09:09]

wagnerrp:

locale, as in system locale?

[19:10:21]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: run the command "locale" from the command line from what ever user account or root that you are running ttvdb.py. I will pastebin you what you should see.

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wagnerrp:

well everthing is "C" or empty

[19:10:54]

fdlinux:

can someone see on this screenshot what is wrong with my mythtv setup ,cause manual it works : http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/468/70047309.jpg

[19:11:31]

RDV_Linux:

wagnerrp: http://pastebin.ca/1492951 they all end in uft8 this is a must.

[19:11:45]

wagnerrp:

are you sure '$time' is the correct word to be using there

[19:12:00]

wagnerrp:

because i know the format '%variable%' is used in other formatting strings in mythtv

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fdlinux:

that's what all the howto's say

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fdlinux:

what should i use then ?

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fdlinux:

$time_t ?

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wagnerrp:

RDV_Linux: that fixed the error

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wagnerrp:

thanks

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RDV_Linux:

Great

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fdlinux:

%time ?

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wagnerrp:

ah well there you go.... right there in the wiki

[19:15:27]

wagnerrp:

i really should learn to look for things

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fdlinux:

?

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wagnerrp:

my UTF-8 issue

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fdlinux:

oh ok

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fdlinux:

what variabel should i use then ?

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wagnerrp:

looks like '$time'

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wagnerrp:

make sure its in the right format, make sure it doesnt need to be quoted

[19:18:30]

fdlinux:

so sudo /usr/bin/setwakeup.sh '$time'

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fdlinux:

manual i can do it with sudo /usr/bin/setwakeup.sh 344344443

[19:18:57]

fdlinux:

and it works

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wagnerrp:

ive not used mythshutdown nor the automatic shutdown in mythtv

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fdlinux:

format can't be wrong cause its time_t

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fdlinux:

just found a possible mistake , time format may should be t_time instead time_t

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fdlinux:

2009-07–12 21:36:26.639 Mythshutdown: wakeup time given is: 2009-07–12T21:58:00

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fdlinux:

but its not in the timestamp

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fdlinux:

now i see a result

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fdlinux:

i set it without quotes to t_time , and timestamp says : t_ti58e lol

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fdlinux:

with quotes , i get nothing

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fdlinux:

its like i am talking to myself lol

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wagnerrp:

like a crazy person

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fdlinux:

so here is nobody online who can help :(

[19:53:20]

iamlindoro:

or people who are too busy

[19:53:25]

iamlindoro:

or people who are not watching the screen

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iamlindoro:

or people who are annoyed by people who repeat themselves

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laga:

or people who don't know the answer

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iamlindoro:

or that :)

[19:53:40]

laga:

or people who don't care

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wagnerrp:

im gonna go with laga on that one

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wagnerrp:

the automated backend wakeup is one of the far lesser used features in mythtv

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laga:

or people who're too tired after spending the entire day working

[19:54:24]

** iamlindoro beers laga **

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iamlindoro:

there there, you can drink the pain away now

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wagnerrp:

beer as a verb... i like it!

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laga:

iamlindoro: yes. now there is a great idea. my beer is still in the car, brb

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iamlindoro:

I'm out :(

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fdlinux:

hehe:p

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mythUser10:

hi folks! i've setup nuvexport and when i run it from the command line, it works. however, when i set a recording w/ user job, i receive the following error: http://pastebin.com/d38ca54c1 nuvexport is installed in /usr/local/bin/ any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, read the error closely

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wagnerrp:

it tells you exactly what the problem is

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wagnerrp:

you dont need any more information than what is in that pastebin

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dustybin:

i have found out why all the menu text disappears from my frontend

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dustybin:

if i adjust my screen with the wizard, so everything fits in

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dustybin:

i have problems

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dustybin:

if i just leave it, its ok

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dustybin:

the channel icon is bleeding off the edge slightly, however, at least everything works ok now

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wagnerrp:

are you running at an extremely low resolution or something?

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wagnerrp:

i know a lot of text fields get squashed if im running 640x480

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dustybin:

yes low-res, 720x576

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dustybin:

my lord, somebody has started .23

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wagnerrp:

trunk is still trunk, that milestone is just for long term projects not expected to be finished by the 0.22 branch

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

will the smooth moving cursor go in .23?

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wagnerrp:

smooth moving cursor?

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dustybin:

yar, when you move and select on mythtv, the pointer moves smoothly

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dustybin:

slides

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wagnerrp:

as in a themed cursor?

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wagnerrp:

for a mouse?

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dustybin:

erm, not sure about theme, if you take a look at apples frontrow, look how nice the pointer feels and looks when it slides

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iamlindoro:

s/pointer/selector/

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dustybin:

yeah selector sorry

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iamlindoro:

he's asking about animated buttonlists

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wagnerrp:

ah

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dustybin:

smooth gliding selector

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iamlindoro:

and for that, you'll have to ask the man in charge of MythUI

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dustybin:

aye ok

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wagnerrp:

gbee has talked about animation, but last i heard he has no plans for anything in 0.22

[20:08:45]

iamlindoro:

Whether it will in fact make it for .23 is anyone's guess, however

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iamlindoro:

MythUI will be incremental and as time permits for those working on it

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iamlindoro:

at least, the eye candy portions of it

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dustybin:

i havent tested out .22 at all

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iamlindoro:

good thing, since it doesn't exist

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dustybin:

the trunk does?

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iamlindoro:

s/the//

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iamlindoro:

yes

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dustybin:

i will save it, it will be a great suprise :)

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AndyCap:

Hmm, Windows 7 media center wasn't all that.

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wagnerrp:

so why is #2617 still open? i thought input groups took care of that whole issue

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hippiehunter:

@iamlindoro that BOB deinterlace thing fixed my problem, any idea why mythfrontend keeps locking up? sometimes it happens when switching back to the UI, sometimes switching to TV and sometimes just while its playing

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iamlindoro:

Nope, no idea

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mythUser10:

ok, myth is not looking in /usr/local/bin since it's not listed in PATH

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mythUser10:

but when i do echo $PATH, it is listed. so mythtv uses a separate $PATH?

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clever:

depends on how mythtv is started

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wagnerrp:

mythUser10: mythtv uses the 'PATH' defined for the mythtv user

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wagnerrp:

(usually)

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wagnerrp:

the best option would be to simply provide mythtv the full path to the executable

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wagnerrp:

other options would be add the folder to the path variable in /etc/profile (systemwide), or to the user rc file in ~/.bashrc or ~/.cshrc or whatever the mythtv shell is

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clever:

or edit the init.d script that starts mythbackend/frontend

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wagnerrp:

yeah, that works too

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mythUser10:

at the point in my linux career, those are a bit above me, so i think i'll just as the full path to the user job

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wagnerrp:

the syntax youre probably looking for would be 'export PATH=${PATH}:/usr/local/bin'

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wagnerrp:

thats for Bourne (Again) shell

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laga:

hum

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laga:

i get interlacing artefacts. although yadif seems to be enabled. weird

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mythUser10:

ah found export PATH

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mythUser10:

in .bash_profile file

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mythUser10:

lemme see what happens...

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wagnerrp:

you will most likely have to restart the backend before such environmental changes take effect

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laga:

hum. it works when i force interlaced in the OSD

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mythUser10:

yep that did it!

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mythUser10:

added the /usr/local/bin, rebooted and its transcoding now!

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mythUser10:

will have to tweak nuvexport for quality but the important thing it's working

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mythUser10:

thanks for the help!

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nighty_:

hi

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nighty_:

if i start the mythtv backend, the tv tuner (hauppauge hvr 1900) is not available, if i stop the backendserver it is.

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iamlindoro:

nighty_, Myth expects to have exclusive access to tuners, it being unavailable when the backend is running is normal

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nighty_:

that was a real fast answer :=

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nighty_:

)

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iamlindoro:

I also live where you asked it the first time ;)

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nighty_:

:-)

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nighty_:

so what can i do now? If the backend is off i cannot watch tv because mythtv cannot connect to the backend and if its turned on the tuner is unavailable?

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iamlindoro:

Myth reports it as unavailable when the backend is running?

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iamlindoro:

that's a configuration error, then

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nighty_:

hmm

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iamlindoro:

you haven't properly completed all the steps in mythtv-setup

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nighty_:

maybe i should do the setup again then

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nighty_:

iamlindoro: hmm the settings seems to be correct, the card is working with mplayer and vlc already. So this should not be a hardware problem too.

[21:13:45]

iamlindoro:

The settings are not correct ;)

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iamlindoro:

If they were, it wouldn't be marked as unavailable

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iamlindoro:

you acn look at your backend logs, they may be enlightening

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iamlindoro:

er you can

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iamlindoro:

Went to my folk's house and found a bunch of classic sierra and infocom games in the shed today :)

[21:18:50]

iamlindoro:

now if only I had floppy drives to get the files (if they still work)

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nighty_:

hmm i don't find anything wired there

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nighty_:

larry :)

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iamlindoro:

nighty_, It seems you are new to myth, so it may be that you are not familiar enough with the logs to know what counts as weird

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iamlindoro:

pastebinning them here (without editing them) might help

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iamlindoro:

from the start of the backend, and including an attempt to watch television

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nighty_:

there are only mysql queries and a few socet things

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nighty_:

http://pastebin.com/f5a7d41df maybe you could have a look, that is the output what appears if i select TV

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iamlindoro:

that is not from the start of the backend

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iamlindoro:

need complete logs, not just 18 lines

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iamlindoro:

You are also running at a *way* too verbose level, these logs ought to be painful

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nighty_:

so i should turn it off better?

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iamlindoro:

just use the default verbose level, not all, most, or database

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nighty_:

k i clean the logs, change the log level and restart the backend.

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nighty_:

I'll be back :)

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nighty_:

there is no default, do you mean general?

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nighty_:

instead?

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iamlindoro:

no I mean not specifying a verbose level

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iamlindoro:

which is the default

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nighty_:

ok didn't know

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luker:

Hi there. How can I delete or change an upcoming recording? On the web, I only found out how to delete a recording already made. But now I want to delete the future recordings of a weekly show.

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iamlindoro:

Manage Recordings->Upcoming Recordings, hightlight one and press M

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luker:

Oh, and then I select "do not record this show" and it will never be recorded again?

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iamlindoro:

erm, I'm assuming you've jumped to editing the rule

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iamlindoro:

in which case, setting the rule not to record and saving it prevents any furhter shows that match that rule from recordings

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gbee:

just hit Del in that screen

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luker:

That's fine. Is there a possibility to change the date/time without deleting and re-programming the show?

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gbee:

goto Edit Options

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tanderson:

gbee: btw, my problem is that the encoding sampling rate in Recording Profiles was different from the sampling rate I used to grab the audio off the card

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gbee:

tanderson: ok thanks, I remember that next time .. maybe

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tanderson:

well google knows anyway(found it on some pcHDTV posting)

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jblack:

shuffle play rocks when you have dozens of Novas & Natures. THanks mythtv devs

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nighty_:

hmm there is an errormessage now in the backend log file, that it cannot get inputs for the capture card. I tried to use the hauppauge hvr als v4l as well as ivtv device.

[21:48:12]

nighty_:

http://pastebin.com/m32376a1c

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nighty_:

I realy don't know what i can do now :(

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nighty_:

# /dev/video0 is working but it seems that i did something wrong with mythtv

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iamlindoro:

That's correct

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iamlindoro:

You haven't completed steps 2–5 of mythtv-setup properly

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iamlindoro:

What's more, the HVR-1900 is the Euro version of the HVR-1800 IIRC

[21:51:21]

iamlindoro:

which will not work properly w/ myth in analog due to a driver bug

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nighty_:

iamlindoro: maybe its a realtime issue to?

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iamlindoro:

There are multiple issues here

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iamlindoro:

You have not set up myth correctly, and even when you do, analog won't work properly w/ that card due to the driver issue

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nighty_:

hmm k thx so i will not be able to use mythtv for watching tv :/

[21:53:03]

iamlindoro:

not until you set it up properly and the driver gets fixed, no

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nighty_:

thy anyways

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

You could use the DVB side, though

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iamlindoro:

then you only have to set myth up correctly

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nighty_:

iamlindoro: dvb – t doesn't work here

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iamlindoro:

Why buy the HVR-1900 if you have no DVB-T?

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nighty_:

because it was the only one which i could get with external case

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iamlindoro:

Ahhh, the 1900 is the euro 1950

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iamlindoro:

in which case that should work fine in myth

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iamlindoro:

you just need to fix your setup

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nighty_:

hmmm then i will have a look again into the guide

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iamlindoro:

I'm a little amazed that there are parts of germany without DVB-T

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iamlindoro:

especially a city w/ a quarter million people

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nighty_:

iamlindoro: its not the city

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nighty_:

its my location

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laga:

i have dvb-t, but only the public channels. so no simpsons and all that other mind-numbing stuff

[21:57:54]

laga:

.. i love

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iamlindoro:

ah, bad line of sight?

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nighty_:

cellar

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iamlindoro:

Same here, no ATSC for me :(

[21:58:14]

iamlindoro:

not cellar, but behind a mountain, sigh

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laga:

iamlindoro: ah, living in your parents' basement? ;)

[21:58:23]

laga:

aah.

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iamlindoro:

anyway, yes, that device should work okay, just get your setup fixed up, pay particular attention to steps 2, 3, 4, and 5

[21:58:53]

iamlindoro:

laga, You misspelled "clever" or "dustybin" ;)

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nighty_:

i followed the gentoo howto, maybe i should use another guide from the mythtv page

[21:59:51]

iamlindoro:

The mythtv-setup portion should be more or less the same regardless of distro

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iamlindoro:

Can't guess at the quality of j. random wiki entry though

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awalls:

iamlindoro: Winegard preamp and diffraction mode propagation – hope for the best.

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iamlindoro:

awalls, It's a big mountain :)

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awalls:

Or are you too close to the mountain

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iamlindoro:

on it :)

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awalls:

Ah. That won't work.

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iamlindoro:

base of wrong side of it, alas

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iamlindoro:

Sort of shameful, this is Silicon Valley and a hunk of the largest city is ATSC-dark

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neoteny_2nd:

when i'm just flicking through channels things are getting recorded and i can watch the recordings under watch recordings. however, the programs which i recorded through the scheduler don't show there. they were recorded because i see the files in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings. how do i watch the recorded shows?

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iamlindoro:

Maybe some of the 250 Million they set aside for repeaters will get spent here, I can always hope

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awalls:

Then just move to Oakland... :)

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iamlindoro:

awalls, the only problem with that is then I have to live in Oakland

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laga:

neoteny_2nd: hit m and change the recordings group

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awalls:

lol!

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awalls:

Yet somehow you got analog?

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iamlindoro:

Of course, then MythTV would make tons of sense as I'd have to live in my fortified bunker

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laga:

what's wrong with oakland?

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iamlindoro:

awalls, I tune QAM and firewire, only analog device is the HD-PVR

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iamlindoro:

laga, it's a warzone

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luker:

iamlindoro: Thank you a lot

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laga:

ah, looks like you want oakland west

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neoteny_2nd:

laga, thanks. was i supposed to know that?

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awalls:

Wife says it's dinnertime. Bye.

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laga:

neoteny_2nd: for some values of 'supposed'..

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iamlindoro:

luker, no problem

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neoteny_2nd:

laga, i mean is it in the docs and i just missed it?

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: The "W" metadata download is great. Well done!

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laga:

neoteny_2nd: it's in the channel FAQ

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, Isn't it a huge help? Such a simple thing, didn't imagine it would make such a usability difference

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, Not even when writing it :)

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neoteny_2nd:

laga, aha.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, but with the shortcut you can burn through whole seasons of TV *wuick*

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iamlindoro:

er quick

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: The KISS principal never gets old. Almost puts Jamu's mass update feature out of business. Assuming you have a decent naming convention for your movies.

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, Heh, thanks for breaking my videometadata so I had to write it ;)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Well anything I could do to help:-D

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: If you are feeling inspired add a key combination where you hit a specific key and the next keystroke repositions you in the browser video list to the first video starting with that letter.

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iamlindoro:

Myth has an incremental search, it would actually be pretty easy

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iamlindoro:

(he says, not having tried)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: How much sucking up do I have to do?

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iamlindoro:

I'll take a look at it

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neoteny_2nd:

laga, does it also tell me in the faq how to get both groups to show in the list together or do i have toggle back and forth?

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Do I ever tell you that you are a genius? :)

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laga:

neoteny_2nd: common sense might tell you that if you look at the available entries :)

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laga:

RDV_Linux: tell him it'd add lots of polish ;)

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, heh, don't get ahead of yourself, I could run up against a brick wall :)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Please wear a helmet while coping.

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neoteny_2nd:

laga i was afraid of that. cause it looks to me like i have to toggle back and forth.

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laga:

neoteny_2nd: just select "show all"

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neoteny_2nd:

laga, i don't see a show all. closest i see is All Programs. but that just has the recorded shows and not the recordings from just watching tv.

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laga:

neoteny_2nd: hum. can't check here right now, i'm watching something

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nighty_:

k now mythtv scans for chanels and it found 30 already.

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nighty_:

hopefully i can watch tv too :-)+

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neoteny_2nd:

laga, you helped. i'll look around

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neoteny_2nd:

laga, but maybe the toggle isn't so bad anyway. kinda nice to have them separate :)

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, done ;)

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iamlindoro:

though it still needs testing

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neoteny_2nd:

mythtv is so nice i have to set it up twice

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: I can test

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neoteny_2nd:

different boxes. not because it was too hard!

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iamlindoro:

Heh, let me do a bit of my own first

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wagnerrp:

neoteny_2nd: most people set it up several times before they get it right

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Ok second tester

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, the one limitation so far is that I only have it working in list view

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iamlindoro:

and not totally sure yet how to make it work in the other views

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Browser view is where I have too much to scroll left or right.

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neoteny_2nd:

wagnerrp, well my first try many years ago was like that. last couple times wasn't so bad even though some things are still not exactly right. but the progress mythtv has made adn the community with mythtv distros is nice

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, all the examples of incremental search that I have to go on are button trees, so I need to do a bit of thinking

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: np take all the time you are willing to spend.

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nighty_:

what das this mean: 2009-07–13 00:28:45.243 EntryToProgram(0@Thu Jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo

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iamlindoro:

it means you are looking at the wrong log

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iamlindoro:

frontend logs are no help when diagnosing tuner issues

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nighty_:

ok failed to find chanel, sounds better :)

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nighty_:

thx

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nighty_:

now it works

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iamlindoro:

np

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nighty_:

so now i have to tune my lirc remote, but this should not be a problem :)

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superdug:

hello all, does anyone know how to tell my local stations that broadcasting standard def in 1080i with black bars on the sides IS NOT HD

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superdug:

also ... mythtv++

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laga:

um, get a grown up to help you with writing a letter?

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xand:

lol

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superdug:

heh

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux, got ti working in all views :)

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Impressive! So you find it valuable? My set up is going to start to record in 10 minutes so I could bot test until tomorrow,

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iamlindoro:

Not sure if it's valuable to me, I only have a few hundred movies, but I'll try to get a patch up tonight

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iamlindoro:

I can see the value for large collections

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RDV_Linux:

I will give it a try and tell you how it helps me, What is the key combination?

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iamlindoro:

Ctrl-S

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iamlindoro:

Same as the other locations that have incremental search

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iamlindoro:

also has a keybinding

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iamlindoro:

so you can do what you like with it (you can also reassign the download key, of course)

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RDV_Linux:

I had never tried Ctrl-S before many only "M" and now "W".

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iamlindoro:

All the inc searches are ctrl-s AFAIK

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iamlindoro:

but you can reassign to whatever you like

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RDV_Linux:

I look forward to the patch. Thanks for working on it.

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iamlindoro:

certainly

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wagnerrp:

what is this 'HD-PVR Signal Monitor' patch?

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wagnerrp:

presumably its not signal strength like you would see on a tuner card

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iamlindoro:

Allows streaming to wait for the HD-PVR to be ready

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