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Thursday, July 9th, 2009, 00:02 UTC
[00:02:26] SHADOW_V: when i call comcast i am going to ask them why they dont have the same amount of hd verzion has when the commercial cleerly said they do
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[00:04:03] Dagmar: Call them back and ask them.
[00:04:05] Dagmar: And RECORD IT.
[00:04:11] Dagmar: It's worth an extra call.
[00:06:24] J-e-f-f-A: SHADOW_V: And ask them about their internet speeds... FiOS has 25/15 for about $50/month here now...
[00:06:52] ** sphery wonders if he needs to donate a Myth box to kormoc to get him to write the AJAX-y RECORDING_LIST_CHANGE handler... :) **
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[00:08:30] SHADOW_V: J-e-f-f-A, yeah i am going to ask about that
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[00:29:27] k-man: is it my imagination or is there a lot of commits going through at the moment?
[00:30:00] iamlindoro: It's not your imagination
[00:30:21] iamlindoro: ffmpeg sync, resulting cleanup, and a general push to clean up bugs for .22
[00:30:31] k-man: oh, thats good to know
[00:33:26] sphery: what, 0.22 is going to release soon?
[00:33:34] ** sphery heads to /. to post a story **
[00:33:36] iamlindoro: heh
[00:33:46] Dagmar: That's just crazy-talk
[00:34:26] iamlindoro: Let me add the disclaimer that while people have generally mentioned wanting to get it out very soon, that nobody has actually *agreed* that it will be :)
[00:34:59] sphery: now I have to figure out how to get that post off /.
[00:35:38] ** J-e-f-f-A thought he heard some of that 'crazy talk' in the dev channel a day or two ago... ;-) **
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[00:40:47] iamlindoro: Madness!
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[01:09:03] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: Just to confirm, are you running Jamu with the -MW option on your machine that has all the graphics as local files?
[01:09:17] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, yes, it's cron'ed on the backend
[01:09:24] RDV_Linux: thanks
[01:09:30] iamlindoro: np
[01:11:38] RDV_Linux: With SG's do users get the option of having graphics on different BE's. Like banners on BE#1 and Fanart on BE#2 without requiring NFS of any sort?
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[01:14:59] wagnerrp: yes, its just like normal storage groups
[01:15:09] wagnerrp: as long as its in one of the folders listed, mythtv will find it
[01:16:34] iamlindoro: no, it doesn't work quite like that
[01:16:59] iamlindoro: at the moment, *all* banners/fanart/cover/etc. for a given movie must be on the same host as the video file
[01:17:55] iamlindoro: I have thought a lot about how to make it as flexible as you are talking about, but haven't quite decided on the best way to do it-- it may involve a couple more host fields in videometadata
[01:18:24] iamlindoro: or even better, expanding the SG functionality itself to find files across hosts
[01:19:13] wagnerrp: didnt think about that... mythtv still needs to know on what machine to search through the storage groups for recordings
[01:19:57] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: With the way things are "at the moment" people could run Janu on each backend and Jamu would skip any video's that are not on the same host that it is currently running on. Crappy but functional.
[01:20:08] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux, functionali is good :)
[01:21:13] RDV_Linux: I probably could have that version of Jamu working in a few days.
[01:21:31] wagnerrp: awesome... winamp keeps 'boop'ing on my FLACs
[01:21:48] iamlindoro: I think anything you do will be a stepwise process, as the SG Video functionality has a long way to go
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[01:25:56] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: I talk big now but the devil is in the details. So far the issue for me is how to do the various file functions that Jamu needs without assuming NFS is set up between BE's. For example I need to check if files exists, their file size, write to the various graphics directories ... etc. More thinking and research is required. I had hoped that mythproto may have methods.
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[01:27:22] wagnerrp: mythproto is rather lacking as far as mythvideo goes, rightfully so considering its a plugin
[01:27:40] wagnerrp: all of that data is available for recordings though
[01:28:14] georgem: does anyone know a good tutorial for allowing access for a remote front end.. sharing mysql and such
[01:28:21] RDV_Linux: That seems to be consistent with what I read on the wiki and say in MythTV.py
[01:28:36] wagnerrp: georgem: should explain how to do so on the wiki
[01:28:59] georgem: ive done everything on the wiki and i still cant connect
[01:29:04] wagnerrp: in short, you need to make sure your backend is set to listen on a real IP in mythtv-setup (instead of 127.0.0.1)
[01:29:12] georgem: done that
[01:29:22] wagnerrp: you need to make sure your mysql server is listening on a real ip (again instead of localhost)
[01:29:34] wagnerrp: and you need to add mysql permissions for the new machine
[01:29:36] georgem: in mysql.cnf?
[01:29:49] wagnerrp: i dont know, never had to do that myself
[01:29:52] georgem: added premissions and changed mysql.cnf
[01:30:11] knowledgejunkie: georgem: no, in mysql
[01:30:23] georgem: ive done evrything everyones said todo and I still cant get them to connect
[01:30:28] wagnerrp: you used an ip in mythtv-setup, and not a hostname?
[01:30:34] georgem: yes
[01:30:47] wagnerrp: you set an IP for both the master backend and the local backend?
[01:31:05] georgem: and my primary frontend / backend combo works fine and connects to itself ok
[01:31:44] wagnerrp: there should be two IPs on that page you need to set, and they should both be the same on a system with only one backend
[01:31:48] georgem: the remote, im still in setup, but i see it on my dhcp and its all right
[01:32:00] wagnerrp: can you run 'mysql' from the command line on the remote machine, and connect to the database?
[01:32:27] georgem: im still in setup... lets me see if it will go further
[01:32:29] wagnerrp: ooh... dhcp.... you have your backend set statically within the dhcp server configs right?
[01:32:39] georgem: yes
[01:32:49] wagnerrp: the two IPs are both on the same page, first page on the first section in mythtv-setup
[01:32:49] georgem: and static on the adapter itself
[01:33:01] georgem: yes the same
[01:33:23] georgem: brb
[01:33:39] wagnerrp: do you have any sort of firewall set up?
[01:33:49] wagnerrp: or perhaps a router in between the two machines?
[01:34:08] wagnerrp: have you restarted the backend since changing the IP?
[01:34:16] knowledgejunkie: georgem: have you also modified the database per http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO.html#toc6.2 for additional systems?
[01:34:53] wagnerrp: well thats poorly worded
[01:35:03] wagnerrp: i wouldnt call adding permissions 'modifying the database'
[01:35:20] wagnerrp: i mean technically, youre modifying the mysql.users table.... but that hardly counts
[01:35:23] georgem: ive set the premissions using the first suggestion on that page
[01:35:40] georgem: no firewall
[01:35:45] georgem: a switch
[01:35:54] georgem: yes many many restarts
[01:36:09] wagnerrp: a switch shouldnt matter
[01:36:12] georgem: is there a wat to check permissions?
[01:36:12] Dagmar: How many times have you had to replace the enter key?
[01:36:30] georgem: ;)
[01:36:45] georgem: *way
[01:38:03] knowledgejunkie: georgem: firstly, you can try to connect to the database directly from the command line on your remote frontend
[01:38:25] georgem: right now its installing
[01:38:46] Dagmar: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=howto+check+mysql+permissions
[01:39:16] georgem: cool, let me check it out
[01:39:31] knowledgejunkie: georgem: secondly, you can check the mysql.users table to check which hosts have privileges to access the database
[01:40:24] georgem: one thing i noticed though is, on my command line it gives an error if i try to connect with -h the.ip.m.m. nut -h hostname connects ok
[01:40:35] iamlindoro: Is there anyone out there experiencing the "Header missing" issue with post-resync trunk that can provide a small sample?
[01:40:42] iamlindoro: (w/ PVR-150, probably)
[01:41:07] wagnerrp: that reminds me, i still need to figure out my compile issue
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[01:41:33] wagnerrp: it seems to have something to do with configure grabbing a C compiler on my system, rather than a CPP compiler
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[01:41:54] knowledgejunkie: georgem: did you grant privileges based on IP/subnet in addition to hostname/domain?
[01:41:57] georgem: how do get to see mysql.users table ?
[01:42:39] Dagmar: See previous URL.
[01:43:16] georgem: no i took the first suggestion, no security
[01:43:45] wagnerrp: anyone happen to have a copy of the album The Slip?
[01:43:47] knowledgejunkie: georgem: also see http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/374151#374151
[01:44:01] Dagmar: wagnerrp: Somewhere
[01:44:12] Dagmar: Is it not still available for download?
[01:44:23] wagnerrp: you have the 96kHz FLAC version?
[01:44:33] Dagmar: Nope.
[01:44:35] wagnerrp: i do, but it seems to be borked
[01:44:44] georgem: ty 4 googleing that 4 me
[01:44:51] wagnerrp: looking for an MD5, and the internet is failing me
[01:44:59] Dagmar: It looks like it's all still up there on his site
[01:45:09] Dagmar: Ah
[01:45:19] Dagmar: I see what you're on about now. Nah I generally stick with lame-0
[01:45:52] Dagmar: My MD5's wouldn't match anyway because I had to de-progressiveize the JPEG album art that had been tagged in the files so that my mp3 player could actually display it
[01:46:15] wagnerrp: i suppose i can always grab the torrent again, copy the files over, and let the torrent checksum the chunks
[01:47:42] Dagmar: That would be an excellent use of technology
[01:48:44] wagnerrp: seems i still even have the original torrent file
[01:50:39] georgem: hey while i got u guys.. how do i try to connect from the command line on the remote frontend?
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[01:51:48] wagnerrp: mysql -u<user> -p<password> -h<host> mythconverg
[01:52:50] knowledgejunkie: didn't you do that 10 mins ago?
[01:53:34] knowledgejunkie: when you said you could connect by hostname but not IP, was that on the DB server?
[01:53:48] georgem: yes
[01:55:51] georgem: im babysitting a 2 mo old... they dont like to sit and typpe... becoming proficient one handing it
[01:56:20] georgem: ty, i mean it
[01:57:56] Dagmar: 1. Find some bungee tie downs
[01:58:05] Dagmar: 2. Proceed to whatever room has a ceiling fan
[01:58:10] Dagmar: 3. Improvise harness.
[01:58:17] Dagmar: 4. Mount child from ceiling fan.
[01:58:35] Dagmar: Kids LOVE being slowly swung around the room
[01:59:21] iamlindoro: until the brain injury rocks them gently to sleep
[01:59:35] georgem: i like the way u guys think
[02:00:17] Dagmar: iamlindoro: One... Little kids are mostly rubber. Two... no one should do it in a room with hardwood furniture
[02:00:22] Dagmar: That would just be sick
[02:01:07] iamlindoro: 1) Little kids are not mostly rubber. 2) The centrifugal force is enough to cause them brain injury after a bit
[02:02:18] Dagmar: Don't turn the fan on high, stupid
[02:02:35] Dagmar: Gotta use the LOW setting
[02:03:32] wagnerrp: i wonder if winamp broke these files
[02:03:42] Dagmar: I suspect the "ring of wee" factor would also limit the amount of time one might use this to entertain a small child, too
[02:03:49] wagnerrp: the winamp flac tag editor seems to be built of fail
[02:04:29] wagnerrp: no matter... its downloading faster than realtime
[02:04:36] Dagmar: Use mp3tag, although I don't know for sure if it does FLAC
[02:04:55] wagnerrp: well the winamp editor seems to do absolutely nothing with flac
[02:04:56] Dagmar: It's the only thing that seems to reliably be able to edit tags worth a damn (including the oddball fields)
[02:05:07] wagnerrp: it can read them, but it does not seem capable of altering them
[02:05:35] wagnerrp: of course if i did somehow alter them, they would make any checksum completely worthless
[02:05:42] Dagmar: Yep. mp3tag does flac apparently
[02:05:49] Dagmar: http://www.mp3tag.de/en/
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[02:16:50] georgem: guys yall there?
[02:17:08] kormoc: georgem, didn't you tell us to fuck off earlier?
[02:17:17] Dagmar: Really?
[02:17:33] georgem: great news i got it to connect on the command like from the remote frontend
[02:17:36] georgem: not me
[02:17:39] Dagmar: I must have missed that somehow
[02:17:56] iamlindoro: It was a curiously close IP
[02:18:03] iamlindoro: too close, one might say
[02:18:16] georgem: oh, must have been my partner
[02:18:28] iamlindoro: Is your partner a dick?
[02:18:34] georgem: he was working on it earlier today too
[02:18:36] sphery: the 2-mo old?
[02:18:41] georgem: no
[02:18:42] sphery: you should teach him better manners :)
[02:19:09] georgem: ill ask him about it
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[02:21:53] kormoc: mattano (mattano!n=matt@adsl-240-191-208.msy.bellsouth.net )
[02:22:04] kormoc: that was the guy, very similar and said yall a lot, but fair 'nuff
[02:23:13] Dagmar: If it were the same person we'd be hearing from the bot I dropped by now
[02:23:31] jams: heh i checked that when he first joined
[02:23:34] Dagmar: That is unless that deadline code fouled up and we've another 24 hours to go before it kicks in
[02:24:10] Dagmar: You know where MSY is, right?
[02:24:12] georgem: i can only apoligize so much for someone else, it was my partner, I dont know what was said, but I'm sorry and very grateful for your help tonight.
[02:24:25] Dagmar: The use of "ya'll" shouldn't really come as a shock
[02:24:27] iamlindoro: same misspellings, too
[02:24:37] iamlindoro: like... *exact* same misspelling
[02:24:48] sphery: well, the fact that georgem was actually asking for a reference--rather than hand-holding--says a lot :)
[02:24:51] iamlindoro: guess they went to bad grammar school together ;)
[02:24:56] kormoc: Heh
[02:25:17] georgem: were form new orleasns, MSY is the initals for our airport.
[02:25:35] Dagmar: HEY
[02:25:47] georgem: New Orleans
[02:25:52] Dagmar: If you limeys had thought things through the southern US wouldn't have had to complete your language.
[02:26:01] kormoc: heh
[02:26:06] kormoc: so anyway! back on topic?
[02:26:22] Dagmar: Next time remember to add a third person plural whydoncha
[02:26:28] sphery: georgem: and you checked the bind-address in /etc/my.cnf (or /etc/mysql/my.cnf)? (apologize--I haven't read all of scrollback)
[02:26:31] Dagmar: Even Mexico got that one right
[02:27:07] georgem: im sry dagman, i dont understand what your talking about
[02:27:12] georgem: dagmar
[02:27:23] Dagmar: It's a literacy thing--don't worry about it.
[02:27:27] georgem: k
[02:28:23] georgem: my bind-address is commented out
[02:28:53] georgem: i just got it to connect from the command line, so im so much more colser to having this work
[02:29:17] sphery: georgem: and which is not connecting? mythbackend or mythfrontend?
[02:29:51] georgem: thnks guys but I gtg, ill tell matt you all asked for him, and the baby is fine... good night
[02:30:23] sphery: georgem: might want to just run mythfrontend --prompt
[02:30:42] sphery: even if mythbackend is the problem (just run it as the user who runs mythbackend) to get your myth config files straightened out
[02:31:16] sphery: if it's mythfrontend that's not connecting, then run mythfrontend as the frontend user
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[03:18:53] SHADOW_V: and yet alot of people complain how we dont try and help :(
[03:19:01] SHADOW_V: they all just leave
[03:19:08] dan__t: Hello.
[03:19:31] SHADOW_V: as if ok i have 5 minutes to try and fix a problem no matter how many people tell me what to do to fix it if the 5 minutes are up i am out of here
[03:19:52] dan__t: Having a hell of a time actually getting this hauppauge 1600 to work. I see it, I see /dev/video* devices being made, but when I try to cat one of those devices: /dev/video0: No such device or address
[03:20:07] dan__t: Its there... modules are loaded, even using the latest cx18 drivers.
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[03:23:45] Dagmar: SHADOW_V: I bloody well wish they'd go after five minutes
[03:24:06] Dagmar: dan__t: And yet, it's probably saying something dire in the syslog. You should check that.
[03:24:55] dan__t: Yeah, i was pastebin'ing.
[03:25:00] dan__t: I'm not completely retarded, I promise.
[03:25:00] dan__t: http://pastebin.com/mffe2437
[03:25:24] dan__t: Looks like it starts around "cx18–0: Could not start the CPU"
[03:25:48] Dagmar: Yeah I think if you Google that phrase and the model number of hte card, you'll _probably_ turn something up
[03:26:01] dan__t: I had Fedora first pull the firmware, as it so kindly offered. Then I tried using the provided Conexant firmware per the MythTV wiki, even though the firmware that Fedora pulled out was the same size, etc etc.
[03:26:16] dan__t: And I have, but I've yet to see a resolution.
[03:26:23] Dagmar: hah
[03:26:26] dan__t: .....which is why I'm using #mythtv-users as a last resort.
[03:26:30] Dagmar: lol
[03:26:37] dan__t: I know, hilarious, right.
[03:27:16] Dagmar: So you got the firmware from the windows driver package, right?
[03:27:24] Dagmar: Above all else, that is something you'll need
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[03:28:12] dan__t: I'm using the firmware that the MythTV Wiki had recommended. I'm not aware that I was supposed to pull any additional firmware, much less from any Windows driver package.
[03:28:27] SHADOW_V: dan__t, what page did you use
[03:28:38] dan__t: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Hauppauge_HVR-1600
[03:28:54] SHADOW_V: so you added that firmware
[03:29:33] SHADOW_V: did you follow the installation guide completely step by step
[03:29:48] SHADOW_V: like copy and paste
[03:30:55] SHADOW_V: i thought the firmware had 3 files to it
[03:31:15] Dagmar: Well, all three might not be used
[03:31:25] Dagmar: By hte way, if you're assuming the length of the file matters, FORGET IT
[03:31:35] Dagmar: Firmware files rather often tend to be uncompressed ROM dumps
[03:31:51] Dagmar: ...meaning their size is the size of the chip, and useless as a measurement for anything intrinsic to them
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[03:32:08] dan__t: Yeah, I did. The firmware has 3 files.
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[03:32:50] iamlindoro: dan__t, you appear to be doing everything right
[03:33:00] iamlindoro: It *could* be as simple as switching to a different PCI slot
[03:33:00] dan__t: I've checked, re-checked, and checked again.
[03:33:10] Dagmar: It *should* work if you followed those instructions to the letter
[03:33:13] iamlindoro: as "couldn't start CPU" is most abnormal
[03:33:14] dan__t: Wouldn't that be some sh1t.
[03:33:15] dan__t: haha
[03:33:20] dan__t: Yeah it is. That's what I've been reading.
[03:33:31] dan__t: I've got no problem swapping it out, no problem
[03:33:44] iamlindoro: http://forums.sagetv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30821
[03:33:47] iamlindoro: see that
[03:33:55] iamlindoro: "Note that if you get the message "Could not start the CPU" then edit cx18-firmware.c, go to line 350 and change the '#if 0' to '#if 1' and see if that helps. It is not clear to me whether that is needed or not, I get conflicting results."
[03:34:14] iamlindoro: That's also on Hauppauge's support faq for the card
[03:34:50] Dagmar: I assumed that was old info but it's worth a shot
[03:34:53] dan__t: Now I feel like an ass.
[03:34:58] Dagmar: Assuming line 350 has an if statement in it
[03:35:03] dan__t: Sure.
[03:35:05] dan__t: I'll check.
[03:35:29] Dagmar: I tend to skip over "voodoo" instructions like that
[03:35:39] Dagmar: i.e., instructions that make little sense and offer no explanation
[03:35:41] dan__t: Likewise.
[03:36:06] Dagmar: ...but in this case I thought it was something that would have been obsolete by now
[03:36:27] iamlindoro: I tend never to ignore instructions that describe accurately the problem and offer a concrete step to try
[03:36:35] dan__t: Awesome, there's two cx18-firmware.c files
[03:37:09] Dagmar: No ther'es not
[03:37:15] Dagmar: If there is, it's time to put the bong away
[03:37:16] dan__t: Yea those must be old, there's no statement like that anywhere around line 350.
[03:37:17] iamlindoro: $v4lroot/v4l/cx18-firmware.c is what you likely want
[03:37:28] Dagmar: ...or run fsck.
[03:37:54] dan__t: Yeah, bong my find, said it found two.
[03:38:05] dan__t: Copy of the build I guess, sorry.
[03:38:15] kormoc: the bong might be why you can't find
[03:38:19] Dagmar: heh
[03:38:38] dan__t: http://pastebin.com/m1c10bd2e
[03:38:39] dan__t: I know right.
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[03:39:08] SHADOW_V: itts the v4l one
[03:39:14] SHADOW_V: as iamlindoro said earlier
[03:39:44] iamlindoro: Still suspect swapping PCI slots is a winner
[03:39:53] dan__t: I'll save myself some trouble and do that.
[03:39:57] dan__t: Thanks for the help. brb.
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[03:40:18] dan__t: huhhuhuh huh huh need to go repack the bong too huhhuhhuhhu huh huuhh
[03:40:47] iamlindoro: Must be sundown in the US
[03:40:53] iamlindoro: the channel has gone retarded again
[03:41:17] SHADOW_V: :( ouch
[03:41:47] iamlindoro: You must admit that the euro crowd brings up the average IQ the the channel a few dozen points
[03:41:56] iamlindoro: there are notable exceptions on both sides of the atlantic
[03:42:16] SHADOW_V: eh yeah sadly enough alot of the astanine questions get asked my us people
[03:42:33] iamlindoro: *cough* asinine *cough*
[03:42:41] SHADOW_V: i cant spell
[03:42:59] SHADOW_V: but pretty bad while trying to make a point
[03:43:00] iamlindoro: identifying the problem is the first step towards finding a cure ;)
[03:43:30] Dagmar: You're making a deductive error
[03:43:31] SHADOW_V: i fully agree i rather put effort onto other things than my inability to spell
[03:43:45] Dagmar: Only in the US do the majority of the visitors speak English
[03:44:05] Dagmar: All them furriners are just askin questions in channels that don't speak English
[03:44:19] SHADOW_V: so in the other mythtv channels there are ignorant questions as well
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[03:44:37] iamlindoro: Considering I am far and away referring to visitors from english speaking countries, I don't think it's a deductive error
[03:45:03] Dagmar: I disagree..
[03:45:11] iamlindoro: as is your right
[03:45:12] Dagmar: Not that I'm saying we don't have a lot of idiots over here.
[03:45:18] iamlindoro: but it doesn't *make* you right
[03:45:31] Dagmar: ...I just think that we have a lot of people over here, period, that it makes the percentage of idiots seem higher.
[03:45:32] SHADOW_V: iamlindoro, it seems you should invest in boxing gloves
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[03:45:48] Dagmar: iamlindoro: No, the fact that we invented the internet makes me right.  ;)
[03:45:54] Dagmar: HAH
[03:45:56] iamlindoro: SHADOW_V, Who needs gloves? If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying
[03:46:32] SHADOW_V: but the gloves in question has laser guided missles attached
[03:46:42] iamlindoro: I like up close and personal work
[03:47:10] iamlindoro: eye gougings and so on :)
[03:47:32] SHADOW_V: of course
[03:47:52] Dagmar: He *thinks* like an american at any rate
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[03:48:09] Dagmar: I was arguing with someone from the UK earlier who preferred a gun over a blunt object.
[03:48:21] Dagmar: I'm like, a blunt object is a lot more satisfying.
[03:48:45] SHADOW_V: bare hands 'nuff said
[03:48:55] Dagmar: It's not enough to "just" hurt people. We have to be able to properly enjoy it.
[03:49:22] rlb: Can mythtv be reasonably used as an audio server (in addition to video)?
[03:49:38] Dagmar: If youo don't mind a TV being attached, sure
[03:49:52] Dagmar: I would have thought that bit would be obvious
[03:50:08] Dagmar: If you're just looking to do a shoutcast stream or something, forget it.
[03:50:10] rlb: Can audio playback be controlled via web?
[03:50:17] rlb: (I'm guessing not...)
[03:50:19] Dagmar: There are things far more stable and feature-complete for that than mythmusic
[03:50:26] Dagmar: ...like mpd
[03:51:04] rlb: Dagmar: that's what I'm wondering about... I've been using squeezecenter, but was considering alternatives. I was also looking in to the possibility of adding a squeezebox output plugin to mpd.
[03:51:15] rlb: It seems feasible.
[03:51:26] rlb: Though I don't know if I'll decide to do it.
[03:53:46] rlb: If you listen to a lot of podcasts, news, etc. It does start to seem a little odd to have two completely different servers for audio and video. i.e. I might want to start watching some program on tv, but then turn the audio on in the kitchen (or transfer it) while cooking, etc.
[03:54:33] Dagmar: MythMusic is basically a strap-on
[03:54:49] Dagmar: It works, but it's not what Myth was really meant for
[03:54:52] rlb: The squeezecenter handles the multi-site/multiple-stream issue, but (obviously) doesn't do video, and doesn't always behave well...
[03:55:56] rlb: Dagmar: OK, thanks. I suspect there may not be anything that does exactly what I want right now.
[03:58:15] rlb: I'd like to have all the media on one server and be able to route video or audio streams to various output devices, and be able to optionally control the playback queue for each stream via a web interface.
[03:59:37] rlb: ...and in some cases I might want to send the audio part of a video to an audio only output (like the squeezebox, or a DAC, etc.
[04:00:25] rlb: anyway, thanks again. For now I suppose it'll be mythtv+squeezecenter(or mpd).
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[04:22:39] TTxT: where the data is stored when using the code from HostLineEdit?
[04:24:37] dan__t: Hrm.
[04:24:39] dan__t: Nothin' so far.
[04:25:01] dan__t: Tried a few different recommended firmwares, udev tweaks, increasing vmalloc for kicks
[04:25:05] Dagmar: Teh Google knows
[04:25:21] dan__t: For the past two hours I've been asking it, it sure isn't giving up much.
[04:25:21] Dagmar: dan__t: Sadly, have ytou tried a different card?
[04:25:27] dan__t: I have not.
[04:25:29] Dagmar: ...or tried the card in a Windows box
[04:25:37] Dagmar: Cuz, it *might* actually be dead
[04:25:41] dan__t: Negative, I have no WIndows machines right here.
[04:25:47] Dagmar: Bummer
[04:25:47] dan__t: Yes, I understand.
[04:25:54] dan__t: Not really.
[04:26:10] dan__t: Hmm... bet it wouldn't even be worth it, or a valid test, to see if VMware could use it.
[04:26:18] Dagmar: The onlyother thing I can suggest is to go to Hauppauge's site and look for possibly newer drivers, extract the firmware from them, and try that
[04:26:25] dan__t: Yeah.
[04:26:38] Dagmar: There's been a few times they've made minor changes to the PVR-500 that required a firmware update to deal with moderately newer revisions of the card
[04:26:44] dan__t: I'll do that now.
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[04:30:10] dan__t: Not totally familiar with using firmware like this – is a reboot required when swapping them out?
[04:32:24] Dagmar: Yes.
[04:32:36] Dagmar: ...mainly just because there's no simple way to unload the old firmware
[04:33:55] dan__t: Got it.
[04:33:56] dan__t: brb.
[04:34:02] dan__t: Using the latest firmware.
[04:35:16] dan__t: Forgot about the trusty laptop.
[04:35:38] dan__t: I've even blacklisted cx18, and loaded it manually, as I've read that sometimes there's "too much going on", on the bus, for the driver to load properly.
[04:39:15] Dagmar: Laptop?
[04:39:42] Dagmar: Nevermind, for a moment there I thought you had a USB device and I was going to mock you
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[04:41:41] Nomexous_: I'm trying to run mythtv-setup over ssh with X forwarding, but I keep getting "mythtv-setup: cannot connect to X server localhost:10.0". The backend is running Fedora 11, while I'm ssh'ing from Fedora 10. Any help?
[04:41:45] xris: Nomexous_: try adding -X or -Y to your ssh command
[04:41:58] sphery: Nomexous_: sounds like you're not running mythtv-setup, but you're running a script that runs mythtv-setup as a different user
[04:42:12] Nomexous_: xris: I did. It doesn't work.
[04:42:30] sphery: Nomexous_: file `which mythtv-setup`
[04:42:49] Nomexous_: sphery: /usr/bin/mythtv-setup
[04:43:01] sphery: Nomexous_: the whole thing
[04:43:05] dan__t: haha
[04:43:07] sphery: i.e. the file command, too
[04:43:17] Nomexous_: Huh?
[04:43:19] sphery: does it say it's a script or an ELF executable
[04:43:23] sphery: file `which mythtv-setup`
[04:43:52] Nomexous_: Right, sorry.
[04:44:00] Nomexous_: \/usr/bin/mythtv-setup: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, stripped
[04:44:11] Nomexous_: Ignore the leading backslash.
[04:44:13] sphery: hmmm
[04:44:23] ** wagnerrp returns from 2.5hrs spent in mp3tag and promptly hits Dagmar for pointing out such a program **
[04:44:33] Dagmar: lol
[04:44:38] Dagmar: Dude don't complain to me
[04:44:53] Dagmar: All my mp3s are now so obsessively tagged it's sick
[04:45:26] Dagmar: I can't pirate anyone else's because it would KILL ME to pollute my archive with badly tagged media
[04:45:45] sphery: Nomexous_: then I'd guess that the sshd_config on the mythtv-setup box has X11Forwarding no or the ssh_config and sshd_config are specifying different XAuthLocation
[04:46:33] xris: wagnerrp: huh? try easytag.  :) actually, I have a nice script that runs freedb checks on directories of files, too.
[04:46:45] wagnerrp: its that its considerably better than winamp's tagger (the only significant addition ive found so far is the renamer)
[04:46:50] sphery: can you run other X apps, like xcalc or whatever?
[04:47:04] wagnerrp: its just that it motivated me into cleaning up my collection again
[04:48:28] Dagmar: easytag is a bit trickier when it comes to using the not-so-common tags like involved parties, original authors, etc
[04:48:52] Dagmar: ...and mp3tag is _way_ easier when it comes to adding album art
[04:50:02] wagnerrp: i cant believe its easier than winamp
[04:50:18] Dagmar: No one ever claimed Winamp was that great at it
[04:50:34] Dagmar: It just consistently managed to not destroy mp3s is about the best one can say of it
[04:50:59] Dagmar: I expect we'll be seeing tagged album art support in MythMusic now? Hmmm?
[04:51:04] Dagmar: :)
[04:51:11] wagnerrp: assuming it can find art on amazon, its three clicks (and no dragging) to add art to an album
[04:51:16] ** xris looks for mp3tag **
[04:51:26] Dagmar: Until I saw The Slip do it, I didn't even _know_ you could embed album art directly into the mp3
[04:51:33] xris: Dagmar: no mp3tag for me in fedora11
[04:51:44] Dagmar: xris: yeah they really need to port the damnm thing to Linux
[04:51:50] Dagmar: It would end some other people's projects.
[04:52:01] wagnerrp: yeah, id3v2 allows some 256MB of generic embedded data
[04:52:04] Dagmar: Runs great under Wine tho.
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[04:55:14] Nomexous_: sphery: ForwardX11 yes, no mention of XAuthLocation in either files.
[04:56:40] xris: silly embedded data. that's what cover.jpg in the same directory is for.  :)
[04:57:43] Dagmar: THAT is just messy
[04:58:10] xris: but takes up a lot less space than having one copy of the cover art stored in each audio file.
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[05:00:56] wagnerrp: and just how many months of video are you currently storing?
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[05:03:26] xris: I don't store that much TV. plus mythtv is on a different server.  :)
[05:05:39] dan__t: Well. Damnit.
[05:05:50] dan__t: Guess I'll exchange this card tomorrow. I'm out of ideas.
[05:07:15] sphery: Nomexous_: and you can't get any other X app to run with the ssh X forwarding?
[05:08:20] Nomexous_: I'm not sure there are any others installed... it's supposed to be a headless. Let me try and find one...
[05:08:36] sphery: well, you have to have X libs for ssh to have X forwarding support
[05:08:45] sphery: and for Qt3 to be installed
[05:09:02] sphery: chances are you have simple X things (xeyes, xcalc, etc)?
[05:09:29] Nomexous_: No xeyes, no xcalc.
[05:09:40] sphery: xterm?
[05:09:49] Nomexous_: Nope.
[05:09:55] Dagmar: If you don't have xtemr you don't have X.
[05:10:14] Dagmar: Soo... that brings things to full stop, time to go prod the package management tool and get X installed.
[05:16:42] dan__t: http://pastie.org/539644 – there's some more details
[05:17:10] Nomexous_: sphery, Dagmar: After installing xorg, still the same error.
[05:18:02] sphery: with a new ssh -Y
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[05:18:14] sphery: i.e. one after installing xorg
[05:18:20] Nomexous_: Still the same error.
[05:18:25] sphery: and, you may need to restart sshd on the mythtv-setup box
[05:18:35] Nomexous_: I just rebooted it.
[05:19:15] sphery: dan__t: and you did an ls -l /dev/video0
[05:19:37] sphery: and made sure there's no video0 in some subdir (liek /dev/v4l/video0 or whatever
[05:20:02] dan__t: I do. I see it. However, upon trying to access it (as well as video24, video32) I get "cx18–0: Failed to initialize on minor 0"
[05:20:30] dan__t: There's some voodoo in /dev/v4l/by-path/......./ symlink'd to /dev/video*
[05:20:48] sphery: ok, just wanted to make sure there weren't 2 and you were using the wrong one
[05:20:58] dan__t: Nope, I've tried all of them.
[05:21:16] dan__t: Even something as simple as cat'ing them. Using v4l, they should be straight mpeg streams, I'd get *something*.
[05:21:34] iamlindoro: not so
[05:21:39] dan__t: No?
[05:21:49] sphery: dan__t: Ubuntu?
[05:21:49] iamlindoro: 0 will be a framegrabber node if the card didn't init properly, which it didn't
[05:21:59] iamlindoro: 24 and 32 are raw video and audio, respectively
[05:22:03] dan__t: Oh...ok.
[05:22:13] dan__t: I'd at least get *something*. Anything but "Failed to initialize..."
[05:22:18] iamlindoro: which is to say, no video node will give you an mpeg stream until you get the card loading properly
[05:22:19] dan__t: Fedora 11, sphery.
[05:22:29] iamlindoro: No, you'de get exactly what you're getting
[05:22:50] dan__t: I can swear I've done that with a pvr150 back in the dya.
[05:22:52] dan__t: day, rather.
[05:23:03] iamlindoro: fix your card loading (#v4l, probably during the daytime) and things will begin to work
[05:23:15] dan__t: Yeah that's exactly what I'm trying to do.
[05:23:16] iamlindoro: there's no point traying anything further until your dmesg output is pristine
[05:23:22] iamlindoro: er trying
[05:23:27] dan__t: And its dvb, so #linuxtv I've found.
[05:23:34] iamlindoro: no, it's not
[05:23:41] iamlindoro: /dev/video# is analog
[05:23:41] dan__t: Ok. I *know*. That's exactly what I've been saying.
[05:23:42] sphery: dan__t: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=2b2bd1 . . . postcount=26 is ubuntu, but probably the same advice holds
[05:23:50] iamlindoro: and analog is handled in #v4l
[05:24:00] iamlindoro: if you're troubleshooting the /dev/dvb node, you belong in #linuxtv
[05:24:03] sphery: once you figure out the right dirs for F11, that is
[05:24:12] iamlindoro: if you're troubleshooting /dev/video#, you do it in #v4l
[05:24:43] dan__t: huh. So this 1600 should be using... cx18 still?
[05:25:20] iamlindoro: yes
[05:25:27] sphery: hmmm... nvm--different initial error
[05:28:37] dan__t: Did I get d/c'd?
[05:29:25] iamlindoro: Direct Currented? I don't know, did you feel a buzzing sensation followed by death?
[05:29:25] dan__t: Anyway. So I'm wanting to use the analog off of this card, I have no need for the digital side. I suppose at this point I need to start looking at the dvb side.... maybe I'll actually get something to work.
[05:29:39] iamlindoro: Criminy
[05:29:41] iamlindoro: NO
[05:29:56] dan__t: uh, sorry.
[05:29:59] dan__t: misread haha.
[05:30:01] iamlindoro: At no point should you look at getting any part of the card working until you have Clean, correct dmesg output
[05:30:23] dan__t: Right, I'll be back in a bit.
[05:30:38] iamlindoro: I wait with baited breath
[05:30:50] sphery: been eating worms, again?
[05:31:06] dan__t: haha.
[05:32:34] dan__t: Ok. I'm pointed in the right direction now. Thanks for beating that in to my head.
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[05:55:23] dan__t: Awesome: known not to work: Hauppauge WinTV HVR1500/1600 (CX23418 based) (there is a beta cx23418 driver .....)
[05:55:32] dan__t: The driver I've been using is that beta driver
[05:56:23] iamlindoro: Huh? where are you reading that?
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[05:56:36] iamlindoro: HVR-1600 has had a stable driver (and been in the kernel) for ages
[05:57:00] dan__t: ivtv docs
[05:57:09] iamlindoro: They are out of date
[05:57:30] iamlindoro: stop looking for exotic solutions, we are not making this up as we go along
[05:58:01] ** iamlindoro goes to bed before someone finds a blog entry that HVR-1600s lead to teen pregnancy **
[05:58:27] dan__t: hahaha.
[05:58:30] dan__t: Thanks for your help.
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[06:05:43] abqjp: iamlindoro, Amazon has HD-PVR for $194.99
[06:07:54] iamlindoro: abqjp, have a dell $100 Gift Card coming in the next couple weeks, that makes it $119 when not on sale, $54 when it is
[06:10:58] iamlindoro: plus my original coming back by the 16th or so
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[06:18:21] iamlindoro: abqjp, These people have very messed up HD-PVR setups, somehow
[06:18:29] abqjp: iamlindoro, then you don't need that dell gift card, so send it to me.
[06:18:33] TTxT: anybody knows when I define a textarea and try to set its text(on code) gets Segmentaion Fault?
[06:18:41] iamlindoro: abqjp, Your Jedi Mind trick is broken
[06:19:05] TTxT: why this might happen?
[06:19:34] abqjp: I get the impression that Kevin Wambsganz has not read the wiki. Or, if he did, he did not read it very well.
[06:19:40] wagnerrp: i love these little switched power outlets, that cut power to peripherals when the primary device shuts off
[06:20:09] wagnerrp: one of them mentioned in a press release that a PS3 will consume $250/yr in electricity if left on while not in use
[06:20:29] abqjp: wagnerrp, if you find one of those that can be controlled via USB, let me know.
[06:20:35] wagnerrp: nevermind the fact that it will use a whopping $2.5/yr when properly put into standby
[06:20:57] wagnerrp: meaning it will take over a DECADE to recover the cost of their $35 product
[06:21:13] iamlindoro: only if it's the only thing you plug in to it :)
[06:22:04] wagnerrp: it only has one switched outlet
[06:22:15] wagnerrp: even money says its only rated for 250W
[06:22:33] abqjp: Ouch, I just realized what time it is. Better try and get some sleep. l8r
[06:25:59] RyeBrye: on my x86_64 system I'm getting this compile error: http://pastebin.com/d7defa889
[06:26:10] RyeBrye: I think I've had this problem before, but can't remember how I fixed it
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[06:32:33] RyeBrye: ah. duh.
[06:32:53] RyeBrye: Something helpfully "removed" the dev packages for qt4 from my system. reinstalling them makes it build
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[06:34:37] clever: yay for 'helpfull' things!
[06:35:00] RyeBrye: yeah. Apt sometimes gets to smart for its own good. "The following packages are unused..."
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[06:45:15] RyeBrye: Hmm... wonder what else was helpfully removed; "../../../libs/libavcodec/libmythavcodec-0.22.so: undefined reference to `aac_decoder'"
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[06:51:08] RyeBrye: make clean looks like it unclogged it
[06:51:13] RyeBrye: now its back to building
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[09:27:47] orly_owl: hi kids
[09:28:03] orly_owl: any good guides for DIY SCART to VGA?
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[09:48:13] xand: whether that'll work depends on the hardware
[09:48:24] xand: many things with scart won't do RGB that VGA needs
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[12:18:02] jamiem: can mythfrontend be 'safely' terminated with SIGTERM?
[12:22:31] GreyFoxx: Sure, sigterm is the standard kill signal
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[12:31:35] jamiem: ya
[12:31:41] jamiem: but some apps trap it and do weird stuff :)
[12:31:42] jamiem: thanks.
[12:36:29] clever: some apps will try to do a proper shutdown on the 1st emision of the signal, and then an improper one on the 2nd
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[13:25:07] CGI035: asfd
[13:27:20] Essobi: Good Morning. :)
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[14:27:36] rand0: got a quick question
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[14:28:21] jams: that was quick I didn't even see it
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[14:28:47] rand0: i would like to playback DVDs and DivX movies off a NFS share on my network. Does this share get mounted on the frontend or the backend?
[14:28:54] rand0: :)
[14:29:57] jams: on the backend. In general it's good practice to have the nfs share mounted in the same location across all frontends and backends.
[14:30:21] jams: whoops I meant on the frontend, it's the one that does the playing
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[14:31:27] rand0: So the my "movies" share would be mounted on the FE as that is the one doing the playback? then why does it need to be mounted on the BE as well?
[14:33:00] jams: It doesn't need to be on the B.E..
[14:33:04] rand0: another question; if a front end has a tuner and/or capture card can i tune and caputer? if so does it become a BE/FE hybrid?
[14:33:27] rand0: thanks jams for the mount answers :)
[14:33:50] jams: you would need to run a slave backend on the machine that has the capture card
[14:34:25] rand0: so ONLY BE record / tune.. FE ONLY do playback?
[14:34:30] jams: yes
[14:34:31] rand0: got it. thanks.
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[14:36:22] rand0: last Q; other than the Hauppauge MediaMVP, Xbox (1g), apple tv, what other set top boxes can i use as a FE?
[14:37:12] rand0: either having HD capability or being able to upgrade to HD later would be a PLUS. right now i am happy with SD.
[14:40:16] jams: maybe the popcorn hour, can't think of any others
[14:40:55] jams: that one would be upnp only
[14:42:08] rand0: can mythtv record HD video in SD?
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[14:42:28] rand0: nothing on the roku yet, huh?
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[14:43:38] rand0: wishful vent: wish i could find a single device that would have netflix streaming, hulu, and mythfrontend, all seamlessly integrated.
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[14:48:12] jams: probably not going to find that on the shelf
[14:48:18] rand0: yeah :(
[14:48:38] rand0: can mythtv record HD video in SD (ie; downgrade it)?
[14:49:01] GreyFoxx: You can transcode it after it has been recorded
[14:49:10] clever: or you could just take the analog SD outputs on the box, and use an old SD capture card
[14:49:18] jams: what they said
[14:49:43] jams: GreyFoxx- do you have a popcorn hour?
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[14:54:55] clever: can mythtv be controled from a joystick?
[14:55:03] jams: yes
[14:55:22] clever: where are the bindings setup?
[14:55:29] clever: same plugin as keyboard?
[14:55:56] jams: file named joystickmenurc
[14:56:02] clever: ah
[14:56:05] jams: or something very close to that
[14:56:15] clever: so i'm guessing you cant bind the throttle directly to volume?
[14:56:36] jams: you bind a button to a key
[14:56:39] jams: so yes you could
[14:56:49] GreyFoxx: jams: YUp, well. My mother in law next door does
[14:56:50] clever: but it wouldnt exactly act like a volume knob
[14:56:55] GreyFoxx: but I had it for 2 weeks before I gave it to her
[14:57:37] clever: jams: the throttle on this joystick is an analog input, not a button
[14:57:44] clever: i'll try following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Joystick_Control
[14:58:30] GreyFoxx: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1489701 that's my joystick config. But just the basics for navigation and playback
[14:58:39] GreyFoxx: though to be hones4t I never ever use it :)
[14:58:53] jams: heh
[14:59:07] jams: set it up once to test it, but thats about all that I used it for
[14:59:28] jams: was going to make a control panel out of one, but ended up using something else
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[15:00:13] clever: GreyFoxx: this stick has atleast 11 buttons, a hat stick, and 3 analogs
[15:00:28] clever: ah, and they are nicely numbered
[15:00:49] jams: the ipac or u-hid it was one of those two devices
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[15:04:27] clever: umm, 4 analog inputs!
[15:04:29] clever: twist!!
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[15:07:55] clever: seems i allready have the config setup
[15:08:02] clever: its just not for this stick
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[15:14:53] shadash: Can anybody give an update of the development status? It seems like the dev mailing list has slowed down. Release soon?
[15:17:07] GreyFoxx: shadash: the rate of chat on tdev list is not an indicator of a new release
[15:17:21] GreyFoxx: however the large uptake in commits and the recent ffmpegsync are :)
[15:17:30] shadash: yea I saw that
[15:17:36] GreyFoxx: lets just say there is now a push on, but no timeline set
[15:17:45] shadash: cool thanks
[15:18:47] GreyFoxx: on than "soon" :)
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[15:38:47] sphery: Ah, once again... Monit: killing more live MythTV backends than bugs.
[15:39:16] SHADOW_V: monit?
[15:40:29] sphery: a program that monitors running server programs
[15:40:40] sphery: when it detects that one isn't responding, it kills it and then restarts it
[15:41:07] sphery: someone on -users list is running it and when mythfilldatabase runs, the system is loaded to the point that monit doesn't get a response in time and kills/restarts mythbackend
[15:41:20] SHADOW_V: yay
[15:41:40] mkrufky: whoah .. .suddenly my eit is working... the only thing i changed — i enabled OPEN DVB CARD ON DEMAND
[15:41:46] mkrufky: you'd think that would BREEAK the eit scans
[15:42:03] SHADOW_V: mkrufky, i totally said that :)
[15:42:06] sphery: and, the way people run it--connecting to the backend status port every couple of minutes then disconnecting--tends to cause issues, too, because the backend status port isn't designed as a highly-reliable high-usage http server
[15:42:36] SHADOW_V: right so it expands the problem to afew things
[15:42:37] mkrufky: SHADOW_V: that should not have fixed it ... im confused. but.... .my fingers are not in this codebase, so i just report the status and move on
[15:42:44] sphery: for a while, the HTTP connections would cause the backend to stop responding to any network requests after a couple of days
[15:43:30] SHADOW_V: mkrufky, yeah i was just kidding
[15:44:11] SHADOW_V: the real reason it worked is because iamlindoro isnt fighting with someone currently
[15:44:35] laga: not my turn today
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[15:52:35] ** iamlindoro eyes SHADOW_V dangerously **
[15:52:39] iamlindoro: oh he's about to be
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[15:53:20] iamlindoro: Fact: Every time iamlindoro disagrees with someone, god strangles a puppy.
[15:54:01] meshe: awwww
[15:55:12] ** meshe thinks of the millions of dead puppies and sheds a tear **
[15:55:50] laga: god, i can't see a woman cry.
[15:55:55] ** laga hangs something over meshe's head **
[15:56:03] ** iamlindoro happens to think he's done more good than harm, but whatevs **
[15:56:35] SHADOW_V: iamlindoro, yup you chear up everybodys day
[15:56:44] ** iamlindoro grumbles **
[15:56:59] meshe: iamlindoro: you said every time you disagree with someone, that doesn't mean that you aren't doing good things
[15:57:11] iamlindoro: No I didn't!  ;)
[15:57:26] meshe: 11:53 < iamlindoro> Fact: Every time iamlindoro disagrees with someone, god strangles a puppy.
[15:57:48] ** meshe cheers up **
[15:57:50] iamlindoro: *sigh*, the ensuing disagreement was a joke
[15:57:56] meshe: oh yeah, i don't beleive in god :)
[15:57:59] iamlindoro: see ";)"
[15:58:39] meshe: ;)
[15:58:51] ** meshe looks for her caffeine delivery system **
[15:58:55] wombo: "I dont believe in no ghosts"
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[16:26:21] SHADOW_V: eh comcast i asked the guy why the uploads where so slow and he was like i have fios at home and we are faster
[16:26:31] SHADOW_V: sorry sir thats incorrect
[16:27:01] SHADOW_V: then he said oh well upload is faster because its fiberoptic and then i talked about how 5mbps isnt anywhere near docsis 2. or 3
[16:27:10] SHADOW_V: but hurray i do have docsis 3 here
[16:27:16] wagnerrp: 'i have files at home and we are faster'.... what does that even mean?
[16:27:29] SHADOW_V: fios
[16:28:00] SHADOW_V: the guy was saying he has fios at home but he said comcast is faster
[16:28:02] ** wagnerrp needs more caffeine **
[16:28:26] SHADOW_V: was my grammer that bad
[16:28:39] SHADOW_V: i have been out of it but i didnt think it was that bad
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[16:28:45] wagnerrp: no, i saw 'fios' and read 'files'
[16:29:04] SHADOW_V: oh ok
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[16:52:39] wagnerrp: so then... the ffmpeg sync is a prelude to release?
[16:54:56] agent0range: ok this is my card ---> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ATI_HDTV_Wonder EXCEPT mine is the usb version. is there anything more/less i need to do to get it working?
[16:55:23] iamlindoro: The USB and non-usb versions of a card are almost undoubtedly different hardware entirely
[16:55:37] iamlindoro: as to how/whether it can work, www.linuxtv.org is the place to look
[16:55:40] iamlindoro: in their wiki
[16:56:06] agent0range: v4l-dvb wiki?
[16:56:22] iamlindoro: yep
[16:56:24] iamlindoro: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATI/AMD . . . r_HD_600_USB
[16:56:28] iamlindoro: Possibly that one?
[16:56:31] wagnerrp: yes, all digital cards (ATSC/QAM/DVB) all run through the DVB subsystem
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[16:57:05] agent0range: no thats close ... buts its the 650 breakout box type
[16:57:14] wagnerrp: aside from a handful of devices (HDHR, HDPVR) that mythtv supports directly, it can only use devices listed as working on the linuxtv page
[16:59:03] wagnerrp: well my $5 Heroes Season 1 just came in the mail
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[17:05:07] wagnerrp: looks to be ~6/episode
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[17:22:32] agent0range: iamlindoro, i think i have the module built because my kernel was a genkernel and all the dvb drivers were made. the only reason i think it mmight not be working is because i dont have the DVBUSD driver enabled?
[17:22:48] agent0range: its in the multimedia devices section of the kernel config
[17:23:26] agent0range: and whe its working i should have a /dev/video0 dev file correct?
[17:23:45] iamlindoro: digital tuners create /dev/dvb/adapter# nodes
[17:24:16] agent0range: i dont even have a dvb folder
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[17:24:25] iamlindoro: it's creted dynamically
[17:24:31] agent0range: i see
[17:24:32] iamlindoro: created
[17:24:42] iamlindoro: so if there's no dvb folder, then your driver has not been loaded properly
[17:24:46] agent0range: you thin thats the prob? the DCBUSB?
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[17:24:57] iamlindoro: dmesg likely holds more clues, but most commonly missing firmware
[17:24:57] agent0range: &DVDUSB driver option
[17:25:14] iamlindoro: I really have no experience when it comes to compiling drivers into the kernel, I do everything with modules
[17:25:16] agent0range: dmesg show me nothing
[17:25:47] iamlindoro: #linuxtv is probably the place to ask, I have no experience with your hardware, or the way you have it set up
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[17:25:58] agent0range: i have all the lsusb info if you;d like to look
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[17:26:16] agent0range: ok i'll head over there
[17:26:24] iamlindoro: generally speaking I would compile dvb out of the kernel, compile the v4l-dvb tip, modprobe the right driver, check dmesg output, find any firmware it's looking for, download the firmware, and reboot
[17:26:48] iamlindoro: But aside from general guidelines like that I'm afraid I won't be much help
[17:27:14] agent0range: compile the v4l-dvb tip?
[17:27:57] agent0range: you talking about murcurial?
[17:28:02] iamlindoro: You pull down the latest copy of the code
[17:28:03] iamlindoro: yes
[17:28:19] agent0range: but its all in the recent kernels too though right?
[17:28:25] iamlindoro: No
[17:28:41] iamlindoro: individual driver merges happen manually, it doesn't get pulled in wholesale
[17:28:54] agent0range: right. i gotcha
[17:29:44] iamlindoro: abqjp: Do you want me to pull the suggestion for the signal monitor patch out of the HD-PVR page?
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[17:42:16] agent0range: iamlindoro, cool i installed the packaed and it built and loaded this module --> cx88xx
[17:43:00] agent0range: i still dont have a dvb folder though. would i need to attach the cable to the ddevice maybe?
[17:44:55] iamlindoro: nope
[17:45:13] iamlindoro: dmesg will tell you why everything didn't load, but I suspect there are more modules to be loaded
[17:45:33] iamlindoro: ie cx88-dvb, probably
[17:45:50] iamlindoro: and then dmesg may well tell you that it's looking for a firmware and not finding it
[17:46:06] iamlindoro: in which case you will have to hunt down the firmware file and put it wherever your distro keeps them
[17:47:15] agent0range: this is all i get from dmesg
[17:47:18] agent0range: [219774.893983] cx88/2: cx2388x dvb driver version 0.0.6 loaded
[17:47:18] agent0range: [219774.893986] cx88/2: registering cx8802 driver, type: dvb access: shared
[17:48:15] iamlindoro: don't know, then, #linuxtv is the place to you should pastebin lsusb, lsmod |grep cx, and all of dmesg for them
[17:48:28] iamlindoro: s/to you/to go, you/
[17:48:40] agent0range: lol ok ill stop bothing you. You've been alot of help. thanx
[17:48:48] iamlindoro: np
[17:56:25] wagnerrp: is video playback easier or harder than commflagging?
[17:56:36] wagnerrp: i mean theres additional processing that has to be done for both sides
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[18:04:17] SHADOW_V: i would like to think play back
[18:04:44] kormoc: There's a difference between 'harder' and 'takes more time'
[18:04:56] wagnerrp: yeah, i know bitrate will fluctuate
[18:05:13] kormoc: Well, it's more playback is limited to display refresh rates, etc
[18:05:34] kormoc: I'd say commflagging is 'harder' (assuming no deinterlacers), but playback is slower
[18:05:51] wagnerrp: ok... let me rephrase
[18:06:00] wagnerrp: which is harder, playback or realtime commflagging
[18:06:14] kormoc: in CPU time, likely commflagging
[18:06:41] wagnerrp: im just wondering, considering that comment on -users about someone using a ZOTAC board
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[18:07:15] kormoc: but if you toss on any deinterlacer, the reverse is likely true
[18:08:15] wagnerrp: the OP was reporting roughly realtime commflagging of 720p (likely ~13mbps)
[18:08:44] wagnerrp: which seems line with iamlindoro claiming the appletv is marginally capable of playback of such video
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[18:09:48] iamlindoro: The guy I got those working for is really dissatisfied with them, though-- the UI is horrendously slow
[18:10:07] iamlindoro: Video playback mostly works, but channel change times are awful, and the UI is like molasses
[18:10:19] iamlindoro: I think he's reconsidering going with them
[18:10:34] iamlindoro: s/reconsidering/regretting/
[18:10:40] wagnerrp: well the UI is probably slow because the mediocre graphics capability of those things
[18:10:56] GreyFoxx: What kind of ram? Using GL or QT Painter?
[18:11:11] GreyFoxx: channel changes... is he running a BE on it too?
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[18:11:22] kormoc: 256 megs ddr2
[18:11:24] SHADOW_V: iamlindoro, i will give him 50 bucks for each one :)
[18:11:42] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: It's an appletv, and the UI is awful regardless of painter
[18:11:47] SHADOW_V: wagnerrp, the new ones have geforce 9400's
[18:11:50] GreyFoxx: Ahhh
[18:11:54] SHADOW_V: oh wait
[18:11:58] SHADOW_V: nvm thats the mac mini
[18:12:00] SHADOW_V: i am wrong
[18:12:01] GreyFoxx: I'm very tempted to try a zotac ion
[18:12:04] iamlindoro: GreyFoxx: I cautioned against them but was overruled
[18:12:14] kormoc:
[18:12:15] kormoc: youch
[18:12:54] SHADOW_V: 111F isnt that hot unless its not like a normal computer
[18:13:07] iamlindoro: SHADOW_V: It has no fans and no air outlet
[18:13:11] iamlindoro: it's HOT for that setup
[18:13:23] wagnerrp: well its a little 1GHz mobile processor
[18:13:24] iamlindoro: And that's surface heat
[18:13:35] SHADOW_V: right nvm that is really toasty then
[18:13:56] SHADOW_V: apple tv the only device you need it even secounds as a toaster oven :)
[18:14:18] iamlindoro: I have toyed with ideas on how to improve his experience, but keep coming back to new hardware
[18:14:18] kormoc: secounds?
[18:14:39] kormoc: iamlindoro, he have a real mac?
[18:14:42] iamlindoro: Have tried all the themepainters, lighter themes, etc., but it's just bad all around
[18:14:55] iamlindoro: kormoc: Yeah-- actually, going back this coming week to install the mac frontend for him
[18:15:18] SHADOW_V: seconds
[18:15:21] iamlindoro: kormoc: And he knows that it's his frontend choice that caused it, as his frontend on the (very powerful) backend works amazingly
[18:15:36] kormoc: One thought I was having was have a apple script on the mac that takes the myth stuff, imports it into itunes as tv shows and then stream that out to the real apple tv os, thus getting the hardware accelleration
[18:15:50] iamlindoro: I think he'll see that it performs well on the Mac Mini he wants me to get it going on and I'll be back for a round of hardware upgrades in the near future
[18:16:35] SHADOW_V: iamlindoro, then the $50 atv comes into play?
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[18:16:42] iamlindoro: NO ATV FOR YOU
[18:16:57] kormoc: SHADOW_V, get a job you dirty hippy!
[18:17:07] ** kormoc grumbles about kids on his lawn **
[18:17:11] SHADOW_V: kormoc, honestly i am trying
[18:17:27] wagnerrp: i didnt think the ATV had any real hardware acceleration
[18:17:32] SHADOW_V: also i hate hippies
[18:17:44] kormoc: wagnerrp, it has enough for 720p playback via it's own os
[18:17:48] iamlindoro: It does Xvmc in linux
[18:18:01] iamlindoro: and probably something slightly better than xvmc in mac os
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[18:18:29] kormoc: shadash, eteaminc.com is hiring SA's
[18:19:02] shadash: hmmm...
[18:19:11] kormoc: whoops, that was to SHADOW_V
[18:19:18] SHADOW_V: SA?
[18:19:23] kormoc: System Admins
[18:19:42] SHADOW_V: i wish i knew enough to be a sys admin not there in the experience
[18:19:52] kormoc: you only get experience by doing it...
[18:19:53] iamlindoro: South Africans
[18:19:54] wagnerrp: SHADOW_V: i have a friend who looks like a hippy, has unkempt long blond hair, wears bell bottoms, uses a messengers bag for a backpack, has the Jim Breuer 'always looks high' problem
[18:19:58] iamlindoro: only South Africans
[18:19:59] wagnerrp: he hates hippies too
[18:20:03] iamlindoro: take off, you 'merkin!
[18:20:17] kormoc: go apply, see if they're willing to take a intern/entry level and see where it takes you
[18:20:21] kormoc: no harm in trying
[18:20:25] shadash: I met a South African SysAdmin
[18:20:25] SHADOW_V: very true
[18:20:37] shadash: they guy was like magyver
[18:21:07] shadash: told me stories about using banks of cell phones to provide internet to remote sutes
[18:21:10] shadash: sites
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[18:23:16] SHADOW_V: kormoc, thanks for the heads up but I am not seeing the SA job on their job opportunities page
[18:23:34] kormoc: they just emailed me about one last night
[18:23:44] kormoc: just write up a nice cover letter and send it in
[18:23:59] SHADOW_V: alright will get to it now
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[18:24:49] laga: i love how this channel gets people employed
[18:25:03] GreyFoxx: hehe
[18:25:30] iamlindoro: Now if only it would get some of them... erm... physical companionship
[18:25:45] laga: 7topic get a job and get laid. kthx
[18:25:50] ** kormoc gets first pick **
[18:26:14] ** kormoc has a sanity and gender clauses **
[18:26:34] iamlindoro: The gender clause invalidates the sanity clause
[18:26:38] kormoc: oh noes!
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[18:26:43] kormoc: So much is explained!
[18:26:43] laga: 'sane, single, good-looking. pick two.'
[18:27:12] wagnerrp: there are no women on the internet.... meshe is a liar
[18:27:44] shadash: first the money then the power then the women
[18:27:46] ** laga invokes xkcd on wagnerp **
[18:28:14] laga: shadash: not sure if money and power will get you true love and companionship
[18:28:28] shadash: enough of it will
[18:28:43] wagnerrp: laga: i didnt ask for pics did i?
[18:29:12] juski: hey what's with all the A/S/L MSGs ? ;)
[18:32:01] SHADOW_V: that would be great if this channel got me employed
[18:32:26] SHADOW_V: kormoc, who knows maybe a good be would be sent your way
[18:32:31] ** iamlindoro wonders when Half Life 2 Pt 3 will come out **
[18:32:55] SHADOW_V: iamlindoro, when you are done with the new monkey island
[18:33:00] kormoc: SHADOW_V, it wouldn't be the first time a job came from here :)
[18:33:17] iamlindoro: SHADOW_V: Sooooooo in five months?
[18:34:54] ** juski wonders how dustybin's gainful employment is going **
[18:35:11] iamlindoro: Amazingly well
[18:35:17] iamlindoro: by which I mean we don't see much of him
[18:35:27] iamlindoro: which means it's going amazingly well for me
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[18:36:58] juski: just had an email from a guy I work with. Apparently the HR dept., in the employee forum – have stated they're disappointed at the level of despondency the redundancy plan is causing. What do they expect? "Oh goody – they're going so I'm safe" ? Blah.
[18:37:57] juski: wonder what frickin planet they live on
[18:38:14] juski: iamlindoro: w00t :)
[18:38:23] ** wagnerrp needs more disk/network bandwidth **
[18:40:39] juski: wagnerrp: don't we all? ;)
[18:40:49] SHADOW_V: iamlindoro, yup
[18:40:55] SHADOW_V: kormoc, sweet
[18:43:17] meshe: wagnerrp: :P
[18:43:33] kormoc: iamlindoro, so where did Mr. Bin find employment?
[18:43:46] iamlindoro: Local Copy shop IIRC
[18:44:30] juski: all the goading must've worked :)
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[18:46:04] iamlindoro: indeed! The iamlindoro career center works!
[18:46:25] iamlindoro: "What this guy needs is MOAR CRUALTEE"
[18:47:00] meshe: the curriculum contains only: get a job! get a job! get a job! get a job!
[18:47:21] iamlindoro: I'm one for two so far
[18:47:21] wagnerrp: and insults about not having a job
[18:47:37] meshe: wagnerrp: yeah, forgot about that :)
[18:47:44] kormoc: %s/insults/motivation/
[18:47:45] iamlindoro: The other is a tough nut to crack, but that problem will solve itself when his family dies off and he starves to death
[18:48:12] juski: guy at work this morning was on about how keen he is to get his HTPC going better – looking at using myth on windows. That started an interesting conflab.. ooof
[18:48:50] wagnerrp: did he expect to use mythbackend on windows too?
[18:49:07] meshe: i don't get it, why windows?
[18:49:23] juski: hint – he's one of the people who can't see why OSS developers don't jump when users want things. Said rubbish like how does anybody expect mythtv to reach the max amount of users if.. yada yada yada
[18:49:31] wagnerrp: meshe: hes a masochist
[18:49:32] iamlindoro: Because linux is scary scary and used only by filthy pirate thieves
[18:49:50] kormoc: OSS is the new goth
[18:50:00] meshe: ohhh *takes a shower*
[18:50:18] juski: set me right off on one. entitlement culture BS.. grrr
[18:50:45] ** kormoc feels entitled to tell entitled people to shove off **
[18:51:01] kormoc: kormoc, Shove off ya hoser!
[18:51:23] juski: if you turn it around & ask them if it was *their* free time it's different apparently. Lol
[18:51:26] SHADOW_V: you are way to close to that ca boarder man
[18:52:11] meshe: i actually like how myth is "use it if you like it, fix it if you want to, but we don't really worry about mass adoption"
[18:53:08] juski: s/want\ to/can
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[18:55:37] kormoc: if you want to enough, you can
[18:56:12] ** juski laughs **
[18:56:33] juski: yeah given enough time..
[18:57:16] iamlindoro: GIVE ME VARIABLE BUTTON WIDTHS
[18:57:31] SHADOW_V: now now
[18:57:35] SHADOW_V: indoor voice
[18:57:37] iamlindoro: NO. GIVE
[18:57:39] iamlindoro: ;)
[18:58:02] juski: hey that's twice in 5 minutes I've laughed. I'll lose my reputation
[18:59:49] iamlindoro: Didn't you hear? I'm the new channel villain
[19:00:07] juski: heheheh
[19:01:03] meshe: it was awefully quiet last week, where'd you go?
[19:01:05] kormoc: Hrm, I own 40% of the steam games available
[19:01:23] iamlindoro: meshe: If I tell you, I'll seem charitable and not eeeeveeeel
[19:01:31] meshe: lol
[19:01:36] iamlindoro: And I'd hate to do that to my reputation
[19:01:45] meshe: ummm, you work on an open source project
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[19:02:00] iamlindoro: Hoooookay
[19:02:07] iamlindoro: I was a counselor at a camp for children with cancer.
[19:02:13] juski: I was overheard saying something quite vile the other weekend about a woman making collections for terminally ill kids
[19:02:22] iamlindoro: So much for #1 channel villain, sigh
[19:02:37] iamlindoro: It was fun while it lasted
[19:02:45] kormoc: You'll always be my villain!
[19:02:56] ** iamlindoro chokes back tears **
[19:02:59] iamlindoro: you.... you mean it?
[19:03:07] juski: iamlindoro: duh, you don't have to be nasty 24/7 to be the #1 channel villain – just while you're here ;)
[19:03:10] kormoc: Yes!
[19:03:18] ** iamlindoro hugs kormoc **
[19:03:25] iamlindoro: juski: Oh, okay then
[19:03:30] juski: ruh-roh. there goes the rep
[19:03:34] ** kormoc laughs **
[19:03:49] ** iamlindoro stomps on dustybin's fingers and pees in the potted plants **
[19:06:53] juski: heh that manufactured sperm news story has sure brought the militant men-hating sensible shoe wearing hairy armpit types out of the woodwork
[19:07:19] iamlindoro: "TiVo, for its part, will develop a special flavor of its set-top box that will be sold in Best Buy stores and lets the retailer advertise its products and services directly to TiVo subscribers — items can then be purchased via the TiVo remote."
[19:07:22] iamlindoro: uhhhhhh
[19:07:29] iamlindoro: why in GOD'S name would you want that?
[19:07:37] iamlindoro: (I don't mean the sperm thing :) )
[19:07:39] laga: iamlindoro: is graphite going to support that? :)
[19:07:54] iamlindoro: laga: Hehe, Sure!
[19:08:28] juski: edible DVRs? cool!
[19:09:01] kormoc: laga, he already supports popups!
[19:09:31] juski: yeah, graphite could show BestBuy popup ads during commflagged sections :D
[19:10:29] kormoc: Nah, he'll show his own amazon affiliate store ads ;)
[19:10:31] iamlindoro: I wasn't going to, but as you know I am a slave to my audience, and since you guys seem to want it so badly
[19:10:52] juski: they want something badly :P
[19:10:58] sphery: But that's not fair for those of us who'd prefer buying from Circuit City.
[19:11:09] kormoc: "You just watched a ad for Crest, would you like to buy (Must pick one)? [1 case] [10 cases]"
[19:11:12] laga: sphery: sheesh. go make your own theme :)
[19:11:34] sphery: and start another Circuit City company, perhaps...
[19:12:16] sphery: (may have lost a bit in translation for you non-US folk--Circuit City went bankrupt/out of business this year)
[19:12:43] kormoc: "GOING OUT OF BUSINESS SALE, EVERYTHING IS STANDARD RETAIL PRICE! BUY NOW!"
[19:16:23] ** kormoc yawns **
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[19:16:51] ** kormoc wonders if Captain_Murdoch will get the multi-file format patches done anytime soon **
[19:18:09] ** iamlindoro hopes that between .22-.23, with HD-PVR support stabilized, that someone looks at commercial cut for it **
[19:19:01] kormoc: xris, do you happen to know what file formats your android can stream/play?
[19:19:47] juski: sod the file formats.. can it do the dishes & walk the dog? ;)
[19:21:47] kormoc: only if you give it your wallet every day ;)
[19:22:47] meshe: i just handed apple my wallet for the new iPhone
[19:23:17] meshe: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=A . . . 1_support.3F
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[19:23:43] kormoc: Awesome!
[19:24:04] kormoc: the same iphone/ipod streaming should work out of the box for the G1 then, assuming it supports unified playlists
[19:26:01] juski: I'd really love an iPhone. love the UI, like the idea of nifty apps & cheap mobile data plans.. but the wallet rape .. I can live without that
[19:26:28] kormoc: which is why I have a ipod touch!
[19:26:43] juski: I'll wait till a 'pay as you go' version costs under £100. So prolly won't have one til around 2020
[19:26:45] kormoc: all the joy of a iphone without the phone + $100 a month bill
[19:27:18] juski: I used to be an early adopter & paid dearly for it
[19:27:33] meshe: having internet access everywhere is sooo worth it to me
[19:27:47] kormoc: I'm in Seattle, so wifi is almost everywhere anyway
[19:27:56] xris: kormoc: not sure on file formats. h264 *should* work, but I don't know how fast.  :)
[19:28:15] kormoc: Heh, when I get the iphone unified playlist streaming done, you'll have to give it a go
[19:28:21] meshe: i commute on the train and bus for 2.5 hours a day, the tethering feature is a real sanity saver
[19:28:26] xris: juski: htc hero will hit Orange soon. I think the UI blows away the iphone
[19:28:29] juski: free wifi.. in the UK? ROFL
[19:28:48] kormoc: meshe, ahh, my bus had wifi ;)
[19:28:56] meshe: haha, nice
[19:29:03] kormoc: xris, do the light trains have wifi? I'd imagine they do?
[19:29:19] meshe: not our transit system, they *just* got gps and electronic fare boxes
[19:29:36] kormoc: Yeah... first time on Vancouver Metro really confused me
[19:30:02] meshe: but we do have the longest lrt system in north america
[19:30:04] kormoc: I had a day ride ticket and it had no place to put it in the fair box, they just waved me though
[19:30:13] kormoc: The skytrain is that long?
[19:30:17] meshe: yeah
[19:30:18] juski: they just about have seats on buses in Manchester
[19:30:33] kormoc: Fair 'nuff, I've really only taken it to burnaby
[19:31:17] meshe: sorry, the world: SkyTrain's 49.5 km (30.8 mi) of track make it the longest automated light rapid transit system in the world
[19:31:30] juski: bah. I'm on ironing detail
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[19:32:32] meshe: another 19.2 kilometres (11.8 mi) is opening in september too
[19:33:53] kormoc: "Seattle's new light rail system is by far the most expensive in the U.S. at $179 million per mile"
[19:33:56] kormoc: Yay!
[19:34:00] meshe: lol
[19:34:13] kormoc: "Over the U.S. as a whole, excluding Seattle, new light rail construction costs average about $35 million per mile."
[19:34:22] meshe: ouch
[19:35:15] kormoc: 13.9 miles opening in a few days, 1.7 more miles end of the year
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[19:35:35] iamlindoro: Wow, new mechwarrior game
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[19:35:55] iamlindoro: I played.. a *lot* of mechwarrior as a kid
[19:35:56] meshe: the new one opening in september cost us $174m/mile
[19:36:36] kormoc: At laest you're getting screwed almost as bad as we are!
[19:36:55] meshe: getting screwed?
[19:36:55] kormoc: iamlindoro, the classic revival is awesome :)
[19:37:24] kormoc: $174 million a mile is still quite high compared to other places
[19:37:33] iamlindoro: kormoc: No kidding... really hoping Lucasarts follows through with some other classics (and maybe some farmed out sequels) and doesn't fizzle
[19:37:51] meshe: yeah, most of this project was cut and cover tunneling
[19:37:55] kormoc: I spent $5 each for the old indy, loom and the dig
[19:38:13] kormoc: that's a lot of money for classic games, and it took forever to order them, I figure a lot of folks are doing the same
[19:38:16] kormoc: meshe, ahh, fair 'nuff
[19:38:29] xris: kormoc: don't know about light rail wifi.. maybe. but may eventually charge.
[19:38:31] iamlindoro: kormoc: Are those out on Steam now?
[19:38:35] kormoc: iamlindoro, aye
[19:38:36] ** xris goes to find lunch before the barrage of afternoon meetings. **
[19:38:38] iamlindoro: Nice
[19:38:59] iamlindoro: I have original disks for most of that stuff, but I'm missing the boxes and "feelies"
[19:39:24] iamlindoro: If I had money burning a hole in my pocket I'd think about picking up some ebay copies
[19:39:31] kormoc: I never bought them originally, so it's my penance
[19:41:11] wagnerrp: was mechwarrior microsoft or sierra?
[19:41:27] iamlindoro: Activision IIRc
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[19:41:31] wagnerrp: ifstat
[19:42:00] wagnerrp: didnt sierra distribute for activision?
[19:42:10] iamlindoro: Later on maybe
[19:42:19] iamlindoro: I only ever had sierra games when they were all by themselves
[19:42:22] mkrufky: there was some way to use a command line tool to tell me the format of a video / audio stream in a file.... . how do i do that? i think it was an option to ffmpeg or vlc ... i dont recall ... i want to know what type of audio data is in a recording
[19:42:40] sphery: ffmpeg -i
[19:42:45] GreyFoxx: mplayer -identify or ffmpeg -i
[19:42:49] mkrufky: ah, thanks
[19:42:54] sphery: which tells ffmpeg to transcode the file, but doesn't specify an output file, so it errors out
[19:43:04] sphery: but does so after giving some info
[19:43:08] wagnerrp: no, earthsiege was sierra
[19:43:15] sphery: (-i = input file, not information)
[19:43:20] iamlindoro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MechWarrior_(video_game)
[19:43:21] wagnerrp: because it was earthsiege --> starsiege --> starsiege: tribes
[19:43:28] wagnerrp: and i remember tribes was sierra/dynamix
[19:43:42] ** kormoc misses http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terra_Nova:_Strike_Force_Centauri **
[19:44:22] iamlindoro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_control_2
[19:44:25] iamlindoro: Best ever!
[19:45:18] GreyFoxx: Mmmm I spent many a night running around in MechWarrior :)
[19:45:52] iamlindoro: I spent a whole summer indoors playing SC2 :)
[19:47:09] SHADOW_V: i played out side
[19:47:13] ** SHADOW_V runs for cover **
[19:48:29] meshe: what, did you have a laptop?
[19:48:58] SHADOW_V: no, when i was growing up i didnt go on the computer that much
[19:49:08] meshe: *blink*
[19:49:35] SHADOW_V: is it that hard to believe?
[19:49:54] meshe: no, just a bit far from my reality :)
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[19:50:16] SHADOW_V: ah yeah i guess also i am younger than you too
[19:50:20] meshe: and trying to be funny
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[19:50:43] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: When creating a storage group does mythtv-setup get hostname from the /etc/hostname file?
[19:51:37] iamlindoro: I don't know for sure, but expect it's that or that it uses a Qt function to get hostname (for cross platform compat)
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[19:52:48] iamlindoro: gContext->GetHostName()
[19:53:28] RDV_Linux: thanks. I would like to use the same method as mythtv-setup for jamu's determination of which host it is being run on. I will see if there is a similar python function rather than just read the hostname file.
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[19:58:00] juski: lol. anybody here watch 'Deadliest Warrior'? Just seen a clip.. erm.. hmm..
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[20:01:44] dustybin: anybody here use just a windows manager for mythtv frontend?
[20:01:53] dustybin: this looks ace: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=58369&action=new
[20:01:58] dustybin: whoops wrong link
[20:02:03] dustybin: http://dwm.suckless.org/screenshots/dwm-20090709.png
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[20:02:21] juski: WTF?! "The Taleban.. vs the IRA.." :-O
[20:02:26] GreyFoxx: Most users use a window manager for mythfrontend
[20:02:34] dustybin: ok
[20:02:43] dustybin: GreyFoxx: i think most users use a desktop rather than a wm?
[20:03:13] iamlindoro: I don't think those words mean what you think they mean
[20:03:18] dustybin: titling windows managers look really good, i might test one out for my real desktop
[20:03:23] GreyFoxx: To me they are one and the same. One provides more crap than the other
[20:03:26] dustybin: *tiling
[20:03:33] dustybin: ok
[20:03:34] GreyFoxx: but both require windowmanagement of some sort
[20:03:38] dustybin: yar
[20:03:46] GreyFoxx: it's a waste of cpu/ram to run kde/gnome and such
[20:03:53] dustybin: yes agree
[20:03:55] GreyFoxx: for a dedicated FE that ios
[20:04:06] dustybin: even a waste to run fluxbox, you can go even more minima
[20:04:06] dustybin: l
[20:04:31] GreyFoxx: I just use xfce and or icewm.
[20:04:38] dustybin: ok
[20:04:56] juski: OMG that show cannot be real, but apparently it is
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[20:05:34] dustybin: with a normal desktop, you spend a lot of time moving windows around / re-sizing, etc, a wm what does automatic tiling sounds ace
[20:06:34] juski: hmm not many windows to manage on a real myth frontend :)
[20:07:55] sphery: though mythfrontend /does/ use multiple windows
[20:08:07] sphery: (i.e. if you /only/ run mythfrontend, you still have multiple windows)
[20:08:14] juski: my point is.. not many windows to juggle around
[20:08:30] sphery: true--compared to a normal workstation/computer, not many
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[20:10:09] iamlindoro: I think it's silly to pat yourself on the back about what a minimal environment you've built when all you're playing is SD and it's totally unnecessary
[20:10:14] dustybin: juski: yar not for frontend, im talking about my main desktop computer
[20:10:50] iamlindoro: And on a desktop, it's even sillier to blow away all the usability improvements of the past three decades to prove to yourself how smart you are
[20:11:09] juski: me smart. me use ALT & various other keys
[20:11:18] laga: iamlindoro: well, tiling WMs are nice if you use lots of x terms – or so i hear
[20:11:32] meshe: use screen
[20:11:33] dustybin: iamlindoro: spending you life re-sizing / moving windows manually, isnt smart
[20:11:41] ** juski chuckles **
[20:11:45] iamlindoro: dustybin: Who spends their life doing it?
[20:11:53] dustybin: meshe: yar a mixture of screen and this: http://dwm.suckless.org/screenshots/dwm-20090709.png
[20:12:21] meshe: nah, screen and sloppy mouse focus
[20:12:30] meshe: and screen -x
[20:12:31] juski: dustybin: you taken to piracy much lately?
[20:12:39] laga: meshe: with screen, you're not going to see many terms simultaneously
[20:12:39] dustybin: ?
[20:12:50] meshe: laga: screen -x
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[20:13:06] juski: dustybin: yar, yar, yahahahahaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr
[20:13:18] dustybin: PMSL LOLZZZZ
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[20:14:01] juski: hmm. is it time for torchpoo yet?
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[20:14:11] meshe: i always have at least 2 terms open to the same screen session
[20:14:19] juski: wonder when we're gonna see all the special FX
[20:14:29] iamlindoro: juski: So, decent?
[20:14:38] iamlindoro: we get it in a week or two
[20:15:11] dustybin: anybody who lives in UK, i recommend recording: Bear Grylls
[20:15:17] juski: iamlindoro: so far, chanting children, Capt. Jack reincarnating lots and a box full of smoke with green snot spewing alien(s) inside
[20:15:35] iamlindoro: juski: Which is... good?
[20:15:52] iamlindoro: plotline = good?
[20:16:03] meshe: sounds like a movie my husband would watch
[20:16:14] juski: lots of cutaways to 'news' channels to prove the phenomenon is international (duh) and plenty of padding in the form of aerial shots
[20:16:32] juski: plot's ok. could use less padding IMHO
[20:16:56] iamlindoro: All the dead folks still dead?
[20:17:06] iamlindoro: Was wondering if they'd find a cop out for killing the whole team
[20:17:22] juski: iamlindoro: yeah they're still dead
[20:18:21] juski: the writing is evidently Russell T Davies' though
[20:19:10] juski: so to sum up – worth watching, but not worth kicking a woman out of bed for
[20:19:40] iamlindoro: Little is
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[20:19:42] juski: oh wait. how much TV would amount to that anyway? heh
[20:20:09] juski: don't think it'll be up for another season though. not doing well in the ratings
[20:20:24] juski: big mistake moving it to the other channel (BBC1)
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[20:22:28] juski: oops. talking out of my hat. 5.87 million for the 3rd episode
[20:22:48] juski: 27.1% of total viewing share.
[20:23:42] iamlindoro: That would definitely be pretty good percentagewise here
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[20:23:50] iamlindoro: (really good, actually)
[20:23:58] juski: heh there's nothing up against it though. 2nd highest was 3.37 millioin
[20:24:18] juski: I had no idea midweek telly was so mediocre :)
[20:24:48] juski: aye 27.1% meant it was the top rated show in that timeslot
[20:25:13] juski: maybe I just want it to fail to punish RTD
[20:25:32] juski: never forgiven him for the 'Love & Monsters' Dr. Who episode
[20:27:04] iamlindoro: That was pretty bad (had to look it up)
[20:27:23] iamlindoro: "Blink" redeemed the "non-doctor" episodes, though
[20:27:27] iamlindoro: But I think that wasn't RTD
[20:28:57] juski: oh yes it was :)
[20:29:19] juski: if you have to have a hatred, it helps to base it on fact ;)
[20:29:39] iamlindoro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(Doctor_Who)
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[20:29:47] iamlindoro: That says Steven Moffat?
[20:30:05] wagnerrp: reincarnating? i thought he just couldnt die
[20:30:07] juski: oh hell yeah, Blink was far & away the best one IMHO
[20:30:17] juski: wagnerrp: all will become clear
[20:30:30] wagnerrp: (ive not seen any of torchwood)
[20:30:30] juski: iamlindoro: I knew RTD didn't write 'Blink' :)
[20:30:52] juski: wagnerrp: Cpt Jack does die, but re-animates
[20:31:11] juski: iamlindoro: I thought you doubted RTD wrote the 'Love & Monsters' ep ;)
[20:31:17] juski: crossed wiring
[20:31:57] kormoc: juski, I saw the taliban vs IRA thing, was... uhhh.... I can't describe it
[20:32:16] kormoc: Ooh, and Oscar Mayer the Third died :(
[20:33:01] meshe: too many weiners?
[20:33:08] kormoc: could be
[20:33:15] kormoc: he was 95
[20:33:28] juski: hope that gets Graham Norton soon?
[20:33:34] meshe: ahh, then it could be just age
[20:33:40] ** juski is going to hell **
[20:33:52] ** kormoc saves juski a window seat **
[20:37:15] juski: ahhh duh! That explains the 'Oscar Meyer weiner' line in 'Funky Cold Medina' at long last. The US will have to invade here & assimilate us properly
[20:37:37] meshe: lol
[20:37:51] juski: damn obscure cultural references
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[20:38:21] meshe: not like the british don't have their own culture and language that confuses us :)
[20:38:52] msaul_: was wondering if anyone has used OTA with Mythtv and had "choppy" playback
[20:38:59] juski: you should see my wife's face everytime somebody on a US sourced show mentions their fanny. sheesh
[20:39:15] meshe: hehe
[20:39:23] ** kormoc raises an eyebrow **
[20:39:50] juski: over here, fanny means something else ;)
[20:40:21] kormoc: define: to the rescue
[20:43:56] msaul_: It was recommended to change setting in /etc/X11/XvMC config file to dynamic.so.1 file which I tried (just abbreviating here, did the exact requirements) for my NVIDIA card...
[20:44:35] msaul_: Then changed playback profile to CPU--, but system hung when I switched to ATSC portion of my Hauppauge card...
[20:45:33] msaul_: Have done tons of reading, but no real solution. One thing I notice is that playback is OK, with stations broadcasting SD instead of HD...
[20:46:07] wagnerrp: what is your processor?
[20:46:20] msaul_: CPU: Dell Dimension 4650 32-bit
[20:46:28] wagnerrp: what is your processor?
[20:46:30] msaul_: Works great with my analog NTSC
[20:46:46] msaul_: Pentium IV 2.1 Ghz
[20:47:11] msaul_: Video Card: Nvidia GeForce 7600 GS (AGP)
[20:47:11] msaul_: * Satellite Card: VisionPlus TwinHawn 1020A (PCI)
[20:47:11] msaul_: * Hard Drives: 40 GB, 30 GB (SDA, SDB)
[20:47:11] msaul_: * Keyboard / Mouse: Micro$oft Wireless 7000 (USB – Bluetooth)
[20:47:11] msaul_: * Wired NIC card
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[20:47:50] wagnerrp: i would say xvmc just isnt active
[20:47:58] msaul_: Hauppauge HVR 1600 dual tuner
[20:48:12] wagnerrp: you should be able to manage ~14mbps on that processor, which would be most 720p broadcasts
[20:48:23] msaul_: Is there a way to see if xvmc is active?
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[20:49:32] msaul_: When I issue command from root: find -P . grep XvMC (it shows pathnames of various XvMC NVIDIA object files...
[20:50:29] msaul_: btw, I'm running Mythbuntu 9.04
[20:50:56] kormoc: XvMC on a 7600?
[20:51:21] kormoc: I thought the 6xxx was the last ones to really do XvMC?
[20:51:37] msaul_: So that wouldn't work anyways... ?
[20:51:38] iamlindoro: dropped in 8 series
[20:51:41] kormoc: oh wait, the atv does Xvmc with a 7300... nevermind
[20:52:47] iamlindoro: isn't #6703 invalid?
[20:52:51] msaul_: I seem to have more luck in Mythbuntu with detecting my Hauppauge card... Did quickly switch to MythDora yesterday, but switched back...
[20:53:02] iamlindoro: It's a bug report that myth doesn't work w/ a patch that's not even in trac
[20:54:05] kormoc: Isn't paul a dev?
[20:54:32] iamlindoro: paulh is, paul kendall isn't
[20:54:36] kormoc: ahh
[20:57:03] juski: Are Shuttle still peddling their square frontend boxes? Meh I want a mac-mini-alike for $less
[20:57:29] SHADOW_V: kpc?
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[20:58:31] SHADOW_V: if you dont mind an outdated chipset you can get a shuttle k48
[20:59:00] SHADOW_V: gma 950
[21:01:23] msaul_: So I will check to see if XvMC is not active (from earlier suggestion) to check if XvMC is active would this be a process running (i.e. check ps aux | grep XvMC) or is there another method of checking to see if this is running?
[21:03:42] wagnerrp: run xpdyinfo, and in the first couple dozen lines, there will be a list of functional extensions
[21:03:51] wagnerrp: it should list as XVideoMotionCompensation
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[21:05:20] msaul_: OK, thanks, I will do that... will let you know how is goes... Here is a URL to my blog containing my various Linux resources: http://murraysaul.wordpress.com
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[21:09:37] SHADOW_V: is the orig dev of mythtv still around
[21:10:23] kormoc: SHADOW_V, you mean chutt?
[21:10:54] SHADOW_V: according to this article his name is isaac richards
[21:10:55] SHADOW_V: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/ . . . 2500115.html
[21:11:01] wagnerrp: when is trogod going to finish doing research and just build a machine...?
[21:11:02] kormoc: Yes, that'd be Chutt
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[21:11:11] SHADOW_V: ah ok is he
[21:11:17] meshe: yup
[21:11:26] wagnerrp: SHADOW_V: that the one calling him a high-seas pirate?
[21:11:34] kormoc: yup
[21:12:26] kormoc: wait, maybe not, I don't see the bit in that one
[21:13:19] SHADOW_V: this article seems to be in a good nature but i could be msitaken
[21:13:30] wagnerrp: yeah, seems to just be informative
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[21:20:04] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: On your FE's do you leave the "Directories that hold Videos" setting empty? It seems to me that the SG 'Videos' would appear without any FE directories being specified. I am assuming you do not have local videos on your FEs.
[21:21:20] iamlindoro: Yes, the SG videos appear without the setting set. I do leave it set, and have a small change to the code so that it ignores that setting. I have them mounted locally for development purposes, but the "average" user of Video SGs will not
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[21:24:10] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: Thanks. With that confirmation I think I have a plan that will make Jamu compatible (non-destructive) with SG videos. Be a few days yet though.
[21:24:28] iamlindoro: no rush, take your time and let me know if you want me to test something
[21:26:17] RDV_Linux: Thanks for the offer. One surprise I had was that only the internal play worked with SG Videos. I was using mplayer and it threw me before I looked at the FE log.
[21:26:55] iamlindoro: yeah, internal player only, just like with recordings
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[21:27:03] kormoc: ouch, that's one argument for removing the external player options
[21:27:32] iamlindoro: and would be a quick way of forcing people to send samples to improve the player :)
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[21:27:54] msaul_: wagnerrp: I ran xdpyinfo, and extension "XVideo-MotionCompensation appears...
[21:28:12] ** kormoc uploads iamlindoro a 45 gig 2girls1cup 1080p recording as a unplaying sample **
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[21:28:26] iamlindoro: Heh
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[21:28:40] laga: what's the point if it doesn't play?
[21:28:51] kormoc: laga, the shock when they do get it to play?
[21:28:59] iamlindoro: I have plenty of helpful tweaks to the player, but they live in trac now
[21:29:03] kormoc: "Ooh, that might be the problem, let me test this OH MY GOD!"
[21:29:18] iamlindoro: club someone over the head and mention that a dozen more devs would be awful helpful
[21:29:35] iamlindoro: As opposed to the secret handshake club ;)
[21:29:54] ** kormoc 's handshake is a 1024 bit RSA key **
[21:30:27] SHADOW_V: why so small
[21:30:38] kormoc: Here, I'll teach it to you, 1010100001010100100100100101010100010100100101010101....
[21:30:45] iamlindoro: For serious, need more devs
[21:30:55] SHADOW_V: the 10th 0 needs to be a 1
[21:31:00] SHADOW_V: you should know better
[21:31:02] iamlindoro: What's the use of having one $plugin guy if he never touches the thing?
[21:31:14] iamlindoro: especially true with the player
[21:31:16] kormoc: SHADOW_V, it's not /that/ small, it's still ungodly unlikely to be cracked in my lifetime
[21:31:32] kormoc: iamlindoro, preaching to the choir here
[21:31:40] SHADOW_V: yeah i know i guess my ability to perpetuate humor over the intertubes is lacking
[21:31:49] iamlindoro: Send a message to the secret-not-so-secret dev list ;)
[21:32:11] ** kormoc eyes the folks who use 4128 bit keys suspiciously **
[21:32:15] iamlindoro: mythtv-dev-no-really-this-one-is-real@mythtv.org
[21:32:28] iamlindoro: #mythtv-special-devs@mythtv-org
[21:32:31] iamlindoro: am I close?
[21:32:32] kormoc: iamlindoro, been there, done that, didn't help one iota
[21:32:52] kormoc: nah, the domain is wrong on the second and the first one is way off
[21:32:59] iamlindoro: heh
[21:33:10] SHADOW_V: kormoc, any recommendations for the cover letter
[21:33:12] iamlindoro: Well I admire the effort
[21:33:22] kormoc: Surprise! mythtv-org.com isn't taken!
[21:33:26] iamlindoro: Obviously most people are satisfied with the status quo than not
[21:33:33] iamlindoro: er more
[21:33:45] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: There is an odd SG related anomaly with multiple directories in the FE's "Directories that hold Videos" setting. I had two directories. When I added SG Videos one directory was fine while the other showed with half SG Videos. If I reversed the order of the directories and rescanned all the SG Videos showed up. If they were reversed the problem reoccurred.
[21:33:55] kormoc: SHADOW_V, hrm. Not really, just talk up what you've done in the past, doing now, etc
[21:34:14] iamlindoro: RDV_Linux: dunno about that one, sorry
[21:34:19] SHADOW_V: alright thanks
[21:34:37] iamlindoro: Hmm
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[21:35:25] RDV_Linux: All I think it indicates that is not to mix SG and multiple local file directories.
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[21:36:08] iamlindoro: I strongly agree with that
[21:36:18] iamlindoro: I would really really like to see the local stuff go bye-bye
[21:37:23] RDV_Linux: iamlindoro: I agree it, I do not see too many reasons to mix both.
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[23:08:06] worldpoop: Howdy?
[23:08:27] worldpoop: A question if anyone is here :)
[23:08:46] kormoc: you should just ask
[23:09:55] worldpoop: Programming recordings, advanced settings, filters – What is the difference between "New Episodes Only" and "Exclude Repeat Episodes"?
[23:10:10] SHADOW_V: thats not a questions
[23:10:23] SHADOW_V: s/questions/question
[23:10:44] worldpoop: (That's my question)
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[23:12:53] worldpoop: (Shadow_V ??)
[23:13:06] SHADOW_V: i dont understand that question
[23:13:32] kormoc: SHADOW_V, what's wrong with that question?
[23:13:33] SHADOW_V: oh wait nvm
[23:13:46] SHADOW_V: i didnt fully read it
[23:13:54] SHADOW_V: new episodes only is that
[23:13:58] SHADOW_V: new episodes of the show
[23:14:01] kormoc: worldpoop, I'd say that the wiki has it
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[23:14:44] worldpoop: If been scouring the Wiki at Myth and at Knoppmyth, but if you have any hints on where to go I'd be ever grateful!
[23:15:21] worldpoop: So question is, isn't "new episodes of the show" the same as not a repeat?
[23:15:26] SHADOW_V: scouring the wiki huh
[23:15:59] worldpoop: Yes, honest, I have. The filter options are listed several places, but nowhere are they explained.
[23:16:38] worldpoop: (The filter options are worded slightly differently in the FrontEnd versus MythWeb, but essentially the same issue)
[23:17:36] worldpoop: Perhaps the crux of the question is, what is the functional difference between the two choices?
[23:17:46] kormoc: dupsin_newepisodes vs dupsin_ex_repeats
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[23:19:08] worldpoop: "dupsin_newepisodes vs dupsin_ex_repeats" ??
[23:20:20] kormoc: So there are certain flags on recordings
[23:20:48] kormoc: You can have the new episode flag on or off, the repeat flag on or off, it's not a single flag that says it's new or it's a repeat
[23:21:02] kormoc: you could even have a new and a repeat showing or a non-new and a non-repeat showing
[23:21:37] iamlindoro: eg when Sci fi plays the same prieme 80 times
[23:21:41] SHADOW_V: kormoc, how can something be non new but a non repeat an unaired old show?
[23:21:41] iamlindoro: er premiere
[23:21:49] iamlindoro: SHADOW_V, yep
[23:21:55] SHADOW_V: ah ok
[23:22:27] kormoc: it all depends on your listing data provider if that info makes any sense or not or if it's useful or not
[23:23:22] SHADOW_V: kormoc, you are able to watch your shows on your itouch correct
[23:23:32] kormoc: yes
[23:24:05] SHADOW_V: the way you have it setup does it automatically transcode the shows or does it transcode on the fly
[23:24:27] kormoc: I run a userjob to do it
[23:24:37] SHADOW_V: oh ok
[23:24:45] worldpoop: kormoc, if I understand you, choosing one or the other options are both there because some listing sources list shows as repeats, and some as not new?
[23:24:55] kormoc: worldpoop, yes
[23:25:14] sphery: worldpoop: basically, a show can be marked as not a repeat even if it originally aired years ago--for example, when it's the first time they've shown that episode on the channel on which it airs
[23:25:27] sphery: worldpoop: new episodes are the most-current episodes
[23:25:41] sphery: but note that new episodes only generally works if you're in the US (using Schedules Direct data)
[23:26:05] sphery: or some other source that actually specifies original air date
[23:27:02] SHADOW_V: kormoc, i see that alot of these ways to have mythtv recordings on the itouch function through mythweb can you sitll use mythweb's flash player normally
[23:27:07] worldpoop: Thank you Kormoc!
[23:27:15] worldpoop: Thank you sphery!!
[23:27:20] kormoc: SHADOW_V, yes
[23:27:27] worldpoop: THank you SHADOW_V
[23:27:32] SHADOW_V: yup
[23:27:36] SHADOW_V: and thanks kormoc
[23:28:26] worldpoop: When using Schedules Direct is it your feeling that "New Episodes Only" is more reliable, or it doesn't really matter?
[23:29:31] sphery: It depends on what you want
[23:30:01] J-e-f-f-A: humph... thought I'd try out the latest trunk, doesn't wanna compile on my 'new' test server... doh!
[23:30:10] sphery: If you want only the current Simpsons episode, you probably need to use New Eps Only. If you want only the new episodes of some show that's not showing on 300 channels, both would probably work
[23:30:15] sphery: But, I use neither.
[23:30:21] SHADOW_V: J-e-f-f-A, its because you never tested it on the mac
[23:30:24] SHADOW_V: :)
[23:30:35] sphery: Instead, I tell Myth to record /every/ episode. Then, I actually tell Myth which ones I've already seen outside of Myth.
[23:30:36] ** J-e-f-f-A runs upstairs to boot the mac now... DOH! **
[23:30:42] sphery: So my database actually remembers for me...
[23:31:16] worldpoop: sphery – okay then, new episodes ever vs. repeats on a channel, and SchedDir supports both. Got it finally. That's great.
[23:31:57] worldpoop: I appreciate that, and walk away edified. Take care.
[23:32:11] sphery: worldpoop: or, just do all episodes and use Never Record to tell Myth you've already seen an episode.
[23:32:23] sphery: Only have to check Upcoming Recordings once every 2 weeks.
[23:33:01] worldpoop: (Ah, and now I get the usefulness of "never record" too. Okay, I can start putting filters to use.)
[23:34:14] sphery: I also Never Record movies that I see at the theater or at friends' houses. That way, when someone asks if I've seen <movie title>, I can find out (since I don't remember titles all that long).
[23:34:41] sphery: Of course, the downside is waiting until the movie appears in listings (which, for me is a couple of years since I have OTA only).
[23:38:07] worldpoop: OTA fills my time just fine. Netflix or the net take care of any cinema needs or Daily Show clips :)
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[23:42:37] SHADOW_V: iamlindoro, do you have your dch3200 and dct6200 on the same firewire port
[23:42:54] iamlindoro: nodoby would have both a 3200 and 6200
[23:43:02] SHADOW_V: why is that
[23:43:11] iamlindoro: They are analogous units for two different types of cable setup
[23:43:41] iamlindoro: 6200= 3200 + analog tuner for systems where the whole lineup isn't available in digital
[23:43:53] iamlindoro: so they are (generally) used in different markets
[23:43:55] SHADOW_V: hmm my local store doesnt have the 3200
[23:44:02] SHADOW_V: they are backordered or something
[23:44:27] iamlindoro: You could use a 6200 on an all digital system, you could not use a 3200 on a hybrid system
[23:44:38] SHADOW_V: whatever their deal is i tried to exchange my 3200 for another one due to it being sporatic and they only had 6200's
[23:44:42] sphery: strange... someone in .hu requested a password reset on my wikipedia account.
[23:44:44] iamlindoro: If they have both, it's fine, they will be functionally equivalent to the user
[23:45:07] iamlindoro: anyway, I use different ports but as I have mentioned to you before, I have daisy chained them also
[23:45:13] SHADOW_V: oh ok because i am getting another tuner and hopefully i can get them to be daisy channed and place nice
[23:45:16] Dagmar: sphery: Ohnoes! Do you think it might be a haxor?\
[23:45:24] SHADOW_V: iamlindoro, oh ok thank you
[23:45:52] iamlindoro: np
[23:46:01] sphery: I'm trying to figure out what benefit someone could get from getting into another's wikipedia account
[23:46:09] sphery: maybe it was just a typo, though
[23:47:00] iamlindoro: shepry!
[23:47:00] Dagmar: They could make edits with that person's credibility
[23:47:15] Dagmar: ...or if they were lucky, go and unlock pages.
[23:47:20] Dagmar: ...or just spam.
[23:47:34] Dagmar: Of course, no one with a hungarian email address would ever shill for penis pills.
[23:48:33] SHADOW_V: Dagmar, how do you know this
[23:48:51] sphery: well, fortunately, I have no credibility on wikipedia, so I probably won't be much of a target :)
[23:49:47] sphery: iamlindoro: So, if you want to put some additional information in thetvdb.com (that's not in tv.com :), do you just type it in and hit save on the episode? (Adding Guest Stars)
[23:50:55] sphery: also, anyone know if they plan to allow linking guest stars to roles/character names? (which would require actually adding character names)
[23:57:20] SHADOW_V: according to ffmpeg -version i dont have libfaac and libxvid to have a ffmpeg with them would i download ffmpeg from source and compile it with those
[23:57:51] SHADOW_V: i am following this http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Streaming_to_iPod_touch_or_iPhone

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