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Saturday, July 4th, 2009, 00:09 UTC
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[00:29:09] SHADOW_V: what should i use to open asx streams from mythweb windows media player doesnt like them
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[00:33:42] Dagmar: VLC
[00:34:46] SHADOW_V: why thank you
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[00:42:24] Arpman: where would I look for the error "can't cd to /src/moc" for Freebsd?
[00:43:15] Arpman: while installing the mythtv plugins (.21)
[00:54:18] ** kormoc didn't know we supported *bsd **
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[00:56:50] Arpman: well its ported, but I had to do a few things to get it running. still trying to learn the in-outs of each part of the system so I can make an efficient install.
[00:57:46] Dagmar: Oh
[00:57:47] Dagmar: One moment
[00:58:02] Dagmar: This will help http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Executive_Overview
[00:58:06] Arpman: however the plugins wont install as is and Im abit new to make
[00:58:15] Dagmar: The /src/moc thing is probably some degree of Qt insanity
[00:58:30] Dagmar: Qt3's build framework is frankly, quite retarded
[00:59:09] Arpman: still trying to figure out which statement causes the error...
[00:59:37] Dagmar: Well, moc is part of Qt
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[00:59:57] Dagmar: I imagine the /src bit is coming from some hack or other they had to do to get Qt's stuff to not use r-tard r-paths
[01:00:37] Dagmar: So um, consider that a hint that rebuilds with Qt3 will wind up linking against installed libs instead of their own private versions at compile time... all because of Qt3's brain damage
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[01:02:03] Arpman: first thing i need to do is determine is Qt3 is installed then..
[01:02:36] Dagmar: If it's not you sure as hell won't get far compiling MythTV, let alone the plugins that require it installed to compile
[01:03:14] wagnerrp: IIRC, theres some fugly mess with getting qt3 installed on freebsd
[01:03:37] wagnerrp: something about the source package not including the freebsd config file
[01:04:10] Arpman: well the backend and front end are installed and i can run setup – but I have not proceded further then that
[01:04:56] Arpman: I do have x11 installed
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[01:05:30] Dagmar: hint: Google "can't find '/src/moc/"
[01:06:04] Dagmar: You didn't set QTDIR or QTPATH I'll bet
[01:06:41] Arpman: I was just about to google that to...
[01:09:03] Dagmar: Through long habit I google everything before I even mention it to anyone
[01:09:51] Arpman: yeah – smart idea – I was just frustrated, looking through FAQs and forums...
[01:10:36] Arpman: just I need to read the porters handbook for ${QTDIR} to seem if its a support ENV
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[01:12:17] Arpman: ah – look at that, there is a QT presence in the Make environment. just have to figure it out now...thanks Dagmar
[01:12:38] Dagmar: Dude, supported or not, if it's not set, your s**t ain't going to compile
[01:12:54] Dagmar: This is part of the great "Qt's build harness is shit" saaga
[01:12:59] Dagmar: s/saaga/saga/;
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[01:26:06] xris: juski: caipirinha toast to you.  :)
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[01:59:59] shesek: when I installed mythtv (with mythbuntu) it asked me wheter I want NTSC or PAL. I choosed the wrong one, where I can change it back >?
[02:00:58] Dagmar: You can reinstall
[02:01:31] shesek: I know I can, I prefer not to
[02:01:36] Dagmar: ...which, before you can argue, would likely be faster and less hassle than anything else you could bother with.
[02:01:58] Dagmar: It's not a single switch you can flip.
[02:02:07] shesek: oh damn.
[02:09:46] wagnerrp: that sounds like one of those settings that only exist in mythbuntu
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[02:21:36] shesek: hmm, Dagmar, I seem to got it working anyhow. is that okay, or I might have issues in the future and its better to just reinstall it now?
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[02:39:04] shesek: I can't get the fast forward key to work (iMON pad). I do see "..... 00 FastForward iMON-PAD" in irw. what could be the cause?
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[02:42:09] wagnerrp: check your lircrc files, i think ubuntu stores them in ~/.lircrc/
[02:45:08] Dagmar: oMake sure you're not trying to use Fast Forward to get ahead of Live TV
[02:45:21] shesek: nope, its an file I have in my library
[02:45:44] shesek: also, the mouse thingy that it has, the wiki says it should work by default
[02:45:52] shesek: but it doesn't, I don't see that on irw too
[02:46:21] Dagmar: It's an HID device
[02:46:32] shesek: HID?
[02:46:35] Dagmar: ..and mice are fairly useless in MythTV anyway
[02:46:56] Dagmar: Yes, you're missing kernel drivers for that apparently
[02:46:59] shesek: well, I use my media server for other stuff, too
[02:47:14] shesek: and that mouse thingy also functions as up/down arrows
[02:47:14] Dagmar: Hassle the people in #MythBuntu about why it doesn't work
[02:47:22] shesek: to navigate menu and stuff
[02:47:28] Dagmar: Good for you.
[02:47:37] Dagmar: Myth wasn't designed to cooperate with other uses
[02:47:42] Dagmar: It was designed to do the thing it does well
[02:48:23] shesek: and yet, the wiki states that "The "PAD Controller", a pressure sensitive mouse cursor control is fully supported"
[02:48:39] shesek: so the problem is with mythubuntu, it should work on mythtv ?
[02:48:40] Dagmar: Then chase down what it says you need to to do make it work
[02:49:17] Dagmar: "fully supported" doesn't mean "works without you doing anything"
[02:49:21] Dagmar: It just means it can be used.
[02:49:39] shesek: ... and previous patches that were required to get it fully working have been incorporated into LIRC.
[02:49:52] shesek: it does look like it can be just used :)
[02:49:56] Dagmar: Apparently you're looking at a page which tells you everything you need to know.
[02:49:58] shesek: but well, what should I do, than ?
[02:50:01] Dagmar: Read.
[02:50:26] shesek: I did follow what the page said
[02:50:51] Dagmar: Then it looks like you have a mythbuntu problem
[02:51:52] Dagmar: Seriously none of it is that terribly complex
[02:52:00] shesek: well, not exactly – i compiled&built lirc with --with-driver=imon_pad without installing it, than copied the created lirc_imon to the old one
[02:52:03] shesek: should that work ?
[02:52:04] Dagmar: Oh and next time...
[02:52:08] Dagmar: Don't partially quote things
[02:52:11] Dagmar: That's nto cool.
[02:52:22] shesek: well, I quoted what seems relevant
[02:52:25] Dagmar: "The "PAD Controller", a pressure sensitive mouse cursor control is fully supported" ...
[02:52:51] Dagmar: You left out "... and previous patches that were required to get it fully working have been incorporated into LIRC. As of LIRC 0.8.6 full user friendly support will be included. Several patches were available, but they can be depended on LIRC version and kernel version: "
[02:52:57] Dagmar: This is important stuff.
[02:53:04] Dagmar: If you only HALF read things, you will continue to fail
[02:53:21] Dagmar: Read that entire page.
[02:53:28] shesek: it only said that on 0.8.6 will have a GUI, and they gave the patches for those who are using older LIRC
[02:53:28] Dagmar: Check that everything behaves as it should.
[02:53:29] Dagmar: EVERYTHING.
[02:53:41] Dagmar: Great. That means you have all the pieces.
[02:53:51] Dagmar: This stuff does not work on it's own.
[02:54:00] Dagmar: ...as you're probably starting to realize.
[02:54:36] shesek: well, it does have a weird way of saying that. it says that old patches that were needed are now part of lirc
[02:54:45] Dagmar: There's also three separate links there to different pages that talk about how to set it up
[02:54:50] Dagmar: Yes, do you even
[02:54:57] Dagmar: know what version of LIRC you have installed?
[02:55:03] Dagmar: Whether or not those patches were applied to it?
[02:55:12] Dagmar: Whether or not it's currently configured to use those?
[02:55:14] shesek: 0.8.4
[02:55:22] Dagmar: Gosh. Looks like you have work to do then
[02:56:17] shesek: well – /etc/lircd.conf includes /usr/share/lirc/remotes/imon/lircd.conf.imon-pad
[02:56:18] Dagmar: Give MythBuntu a little while to figure it out and it *should* start trying to tell you there's some patches it can download and install
[02:56:27] Dagmar: Don't tell me
[02:56:31] shesek: which has the new config that the wiki tells me to use
[02:56:44] Dagmar: You have to be able to look at this stuff nad make intelligent decisions
[02:57:25] Dagmar: ...although whoever put that bit in there about 0.8.6 I'll bitch at later.
[02:57:26] shesek: Well. They say it should be supported with my version of LIRC. It uses the correct config files. their contents is the same as what the wiki tells me to use
[02:57:33] Dagmar: There's not much use in mentioning something that doesn't exist yet
[02:58:11] Dagmar: So hopefully someone responsible for MythBuntu will show up in their channel
[02:58:14] shesek: it does get some of the keys, so its not hardware problem
[02:58:34] Dagmar: I'd say that's probably a safe assumption.
[02:59:22] shesek: so... LIRC 0.8.4 should support that, I have the correct config files, I don't get what I haven't done right
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[02:59:35] Dagmar: Read this page _carefully_
[02:59:36] Dagmar: http://mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC
[02:59:45] shesek: I did read it, carefully
[02:59:53] shesek: I complied LIRC with that thingy they said
[03:00:01] Dagmar: And you still can't figure out what programs you need to run to debug the problem
[03:00:23] Dagmar: If you actually read http://mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC carefully you will realize what you need to look at
[03:00:34] Dagmar: I put those illustrations in there myself.
[03:02:12] shesek: Oh, damn, sorry
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[03:02:25] shesek: when you linked me to do LIRC wiki page I thought it was the Imon page again
[03:02:45] shesek: I have not read the page about LIRC, I'll check it now
[03:02:45] Dagmar: Nope
[03:02:53] Dagmar: Ah it should help then
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[03:03:06] Dagmar: Note: There is *no* solution set for this that won't involve you learning in detail how LIRC works.
[03:03:12] Dagmar: It won't hurt (much).
[03:06:58] Dagmar: Gotta have a smoke. Shall return
[03:08:42] shesek: I still don't quite get it. the wiki says it should work. how come its that hard to actually get it working?
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[03:23:54] Dagmar: Because rare bits of technology have this wonderful tendency to not work
[03:24:01] shesek: in lircrc, under "config" for rewind, should I use "<", "PgUp" or "seek -30"?
[03:24:43] Dagmar: That's where you go back to the IMON page and look at what they used
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[03:25:38] Dagmar: There _are_ tools that come with LIRC that let you debug what's going on at each step
[03:27:15] shesek: I don't think I'm quite enough savvy to be able to debug&fix it by myself
[03:28:15] shesek: well, lets leave that last, I'll finish up stuff that are identified with irw
[03:28:27] shesek: like my Rewind button
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[03:28:39] shesek: which seems to be configred in lircrc, but still won't work
[03:29:33] banyan: Hey, are the myth packages set up and working for f 11 out of the rpm-fusion repo?
[03:29:46] shesek: but I think that should go to #mythbuntu
[03:30:25] banyan: as opposed to atrpms which I have enjoyed not having to use for the last while?  :-)
[03:33:35] Dagmar: shesek: So the LIRC page tells you what tools to use to test that the various bits of LIRC are interpreting things correctly.
[03:34:03] banyan: I've held off rushing off and installing f11 in order to give things time to settle with myth...
[03:36:59] shesek: Dagmar, like.. irw which I did check with?
[03:37:42] Dagmar: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/LIRC
[03:37:44] Dagmar: Read _carefully_
[03:38:16] Dagmar: As in "do not SKIM the page looking for keywords"
[03:38:33] Dagmar: More than irw is mentioned there, of that I am very certain.
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[03:40:33] shesek: yes, mode2
[03:40:45] shesek: but it seems like if irw is showing it than mode2 should too
[03:42:22] shesek: ok, so I see it with mode2 too
[03:42:35] shesek: (Rewind)
[03:43:46] Dagmar: So, pardon if this sounds condescending, but I've said some things about a half dozen times now
[03:43:52] Dagmar: Look at the pretty pictures and try again
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[03:44:17] Dagmar: THAT is what most people would consider entirely ubsubtle
[03:44:34] Dagmar: s/ub/un/;
[03:45:58] Dagmar: I believe if you give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day, but if you teach a man to fish he'll eat for the rest of his life.
[03:46:14] Dagmar: Don't make me escalate to the "other" version of that axiom. *snif*
[03:46:38] Dagmar: "Make a man a fire and he'll be warm for a night. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
[03:47:24] Dagmar: from the a to the b to the c to the d to the e to the f to the g
[03:47:33] Dagmar: ALL of those steps must transpire correctly
[03:48:16] shesek: I don't really see a reason too teach someone fishing, when he actually prefers to eat cows and only wants fish that one time
[03:48:38] Dagmar: Yeah, that's where you set them on fire and cook your fish.
[03:48:51] shesek: hell, I'm using linux for 3 years now
[03:49:16] shesek: and I barely understand anything "behind the scenes"
[03:50:21] shesek: I am a programmer, so I can usually understand stuff well (/me is high, a bit drunk and tired). but most of the time I don't have to "fish", so why learn?
[03:50:52] shesek: I know the stuff I need for daily usage, and that's about it :O
[03:51:31] Dagmar: Because if you can't outwit a fish you fail at the food chain
[03:51:56] Dagmar: ...and the "gimme a fish" approach is probably why after three years no one's _paying you money_ to work with unix machines
[03:52:53] wagnerrp: the worst part about new UPSs is that you have to shutdown to install them...
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[03:53:02] banyan: it's the double edged sword of open source. most things aren't productized which means they're free and it means they get out there faster than if they had to have somebody who was liable for the stuff working 100%. But the other edge is that you're as responsible as the authors for getting it to work.
[03:53:56] banyan: aka, ymmv — your mileage may vary.
[03:54:53] banyan: speakin' a witch — if I installed F11 and used the rpmfusion myth libraries would I end up with a working backend and a working frontend?
[03:55:06] Dagmar: wagnerrp: That depends on if you had a UPS already in there, and to a small degree, how fast you can whip around power cables
[03:55:24] kormoc: banyan, lots of reports of segfaulting frontends with f11
[03:55:36] shesek: Dagmar, well, I was paid to code on unix machines
[03:55:48] banyan: hmm, so there's maybe a bug or two left to squash then.
[03:55:49] Dagmar: "was" is a telltale
[03:56:21] shesek: and I tried my best when the one responisble for them wasn't there
[03:56:26] kormoc: code on or code for? important distinction
[03:56:26] shesek: telltale?
[03:56:42] Dagmar: Yes, as in it gives away more information than the original statement intended.
[03:56:42] shesek: on, not for
[03:56:49] Dagmar: In this case, that no one's paying you anymore for that
[03:56:53] shesek: Today I actually run my own company
[03:57:04] shesek: I have peoples to fix those stuff — but not for my home HTPC
[03:57:10] shesek: maybe I should get one of them here :\
[03:57:14] Dagmar: Go forit
[03:57:24] banyan: thanks kormoc, I'll probably hold off another few weeks then.
[03:57:52] banyan: particularly since my frontend is x64 which is a thinner install base.
[03:57:57] Dagmar: There's something you've yet to even mention that lets me know you have a serious reading comprehension problem.
[03:58:00] kormoc: banyan, it seems to be related to kde, so perhaps if you use gnome/xfce/etc it won't apply, but no one really knows why yet
[03:58:51] banyan: lol, how embarrassing I just realized I don't know what the hell wm this is!
[03:58:58] kormoc: was close to tracking down the same style issue on a Gentoo box but the guy gave up right before getting which package was responsible
[03:59:45] banyan: I'm gonna say gnome because more gnome processes are running.
[03:59:46] shesek: come on.. it shows up on irw, I can't seem to find anything that would help me on the LIRC wiki page
[04:00:00] shesek: it shouldn't be much work to get it working, should it?
[04:00:25] kormoc: There isn't already config files for your remote?
[04:00:35] shesek: yes, there's
[04:00:42] kormoc: So what are you after?
[04:00:44] shesek: I also tried the one on the wiki
[04:00:48] shesek: well, it doesn't work
[04:00:53] shesek: some keys work, some keys doesn't
[04:01:04] kormoc: and running the frontend with -v lirc tells you?
[04:01:05] shesek: I'll leave aside the mouse thingy for now, as irw doesn't see that either
[04:01:20] shesek: but keys like Rewind, I see them on irw, but they don't do anything
[04:01:25] banyan: Oh, hey, the phone company called me today and asked me about switching from cable to adsl-based digital boxes. with myth, I kind of figured I would hate that, but do any of you have experiences with tuner boxes, internet-based tv service etc? good or bad?
[04:01:29] Dagmar: Because apparently the phrase 'ircat' is too long and complex for anyone to ever read
[04:01:46] Dagmar: THAT Is as bloody far as I go
[04:02:00] Dagmar: People calling themselves adults should have basic literacy skills
[04:02:01] kormoc: It more sounds like the config file is incomplete and just needs the right mappings done to it
[04:02:38] shesek: kormoc, well, when I installed mythbuntu it asked me about my controller, and it seems to use the correct config file now
[04:02:45] Dagmar: It's nothing personal, but it makes me want to reach out and strangle people to death when they just skim that page and then claim over and over that they've actually read it
[04:02:46] shesek: but I also tried to change it to what the site has
[04:02:56] Dagmar: ...and it happens at least three times a week
[04:03:21] shesek: Dagmar, well, it is kinda hard to read the whole thing
[04:03:27] banyan: I was shocked to read in the globe and mail a couple weeks ago that presumably the adult functional literacy rate in Canada is like 50%. There had to be some context around that, it's a shockingly low number.
[04:03:31] Dagmar: ohnoes it r hard!
[04:03:33] kormoc: shesek, that doesn't mean the config file is complete or fully compatable with your remote
[04:03:33] shesek: I almost never read a while.. anything, skimming is normal action for people to do
[04:03:48] Dagmar: What about following instructions?
[04:03:52] kormoc: skimming technical documents is a recipe for missing important bits...
[04:04:03] shesek: kormoc, well, the file name that I got by default is lircd.conf.imon-pad
[04:04:04] Dagmar: What would you say to any of your employees who steadfastly failed like that, other than "You're fired"
[04:04:09] shesek: so I'm pretty sure it should work with my remote..
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[04:04:27] Dagmar: I'm pretty sure it'll work, too, but you're going to have to poke and prod at it to knock the rough edges off
[04:04:29] kormoc: shesek, given there might be a dozen hardware revisions all with slightly different codes, it's not a sure bet
[04:04:36] Dagmar: LIRC shouold be more thought of as a kit for making something that works
[04:04:53] Dagmar: ...because the number and type of remotes out there is such that there will NEVER be a way for any one program to handle them all
[04:05:44] Dagmar: If you want it to work you have to look at the pretty pictures, read the text near them carefully, and then use the tools that verify functionality through each step.
[04:05:53] Dagmar: This is why I drew the pictures and rewrote that section.
[04:05:53] shesek: but, rewind, for example, it does recognize it as "Rewind" in irw, which means the mapping should be the problematic part
[04:05:55] shesek: not the remote
[04:06:02] Dagmar: So that it would at _least_ be written somewhere in a concise fashion
[04:06:12] Dagmar: WHICH IS WHERE BLOODY IRCAT COMES IN
[04:06:20] shesek: yes, I was just looking at it
[04:06:22] Dagmar: ...ad explained by the pictures, man.
[04:06:27] kormoc: shesek, right... which is why you should check the mapping and make sure it maps right and run the frontend with -v lirc and see what it claims is happening...
[04:06:32] Dagmar: You're making me despair for the future of humanity, you know that don't you?
[04:06:51] ** kormoc weeps for humanity most of the time **
[04:06:57] ** kormoc wonders if this is why he's single **
[04:06:59] Dagmar: Invoking ircat or mythfrontend with -v lirc will tell you how much or how little mythtv should be seeing
[04:07:24] kormoc: "Hey you want to go out for dinner? Oh why are you going to bring humanity to the dark ages again?!?!? so About that dinner?"
[04:07:29] Dagmar: well, "should be" in the case of ircat, "is" in the case of mythfrontend -v lirc
[04:08:39] shesek: I do see it with ircat
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[04:09:25] Dagmar: Okay. NOW see if running mythfrontend -v lirc shows that it's seeing the keypress
[04:09:45] Dagmar: If it's not, you get to go rummaging around the filesystem looking for the _other_ config file that mythbuntu put in there
[04:09:48] shesek: seems like Rewind works now (I see "PgUp" in ircat), but fast forward doesn't work (which shows PgDown)
[04:10:30] Dagmar: ...but that's really an option *only* in the case of getting inconsistent results from ircat and mythfrontend-v-lirc
[04:10:37] kormoc: so make sure your bindings are set right? (mythweb/mythcontrols)
[04:11:38] shesek: I ran "mythfrontend -v lirc", it doesn't show any keypresses (even ones who does work, like pause)
[04:11:56] shesek: oh, wait, pause goes to mplayer, not to mythtv, I think
[04:13:17] Dagmar: <yoda>there is no think, only know</yoda>
[04:13:33] shesek: well, no, I don't see any key-presses
[04:14:12] shesek: kormoc, it seems like it, I'm a bit confused, tho
[04:14:37] shesek: I have both ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:14:51] shesek: not sure which is the active one with mythbuntu
[04:15:03] kormoc: mythtv only uses .mythtv/lircrc
[04:15:23] Dagmar: Delete the weaker of the two
[04:15:34] shesek: weaker?
[04:15:42] Dagmar: Give 'em knives and tape their forelimbs together if you have to
[04:16:38] shesek: kormoc, are you sure mythbuntu didn't change that?
[04:16:40] Dagmar: While mythtv uses a search path to look in _possible_ locations for that, one huge way to eff up is to actually have two and be editing the wrong one
[04:17:39] kormoc: the frontend on startup will tell you which one it's using
[04:17:41] shesek: because ~/.lircrc has a "custom lircrc generated via mythbuntu-lirc-generator" which includes around 6–7 files at ~/.lirc/.. (each file for a different program)
[04:18:04] shesek: kormoc, where does it say it ?
[04:18:14] kormoc: in it's stdout output
[04:20:11] shesek: it seems to be ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[04:20:34] shesek: which is kinda weird, because mythbuntu created like 9 different files with lirc config who aren't being used
[04:20:49] kormoc: not used by myth
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[04:21:12] shesek: what's not used by myth?
[04:21:30] kormoc: the ~/.lircrc isn't used by myth, but it's used by other apps
[04:22:06] shesek: and btw – I just noticed it now – mythfrontend -v lirc didn't show any keypresses because "Unknown argument for -v/----verboose: lirc"
[04:22:13] shesek: kormoc, it has a ~/.lircrc/mythtv file, tho
[04:22:26] kormoc: which is only used by myth, not other apps
[04:22:33] shesek: s/--+/--/
[04:22:33] kormoc: it's not unusual to have both
[04:22:48] wagnerrp: although often, one just symlinks one to the other
[04:22:50] kormoc: so then I was wrong about the verbrose argument, it might be listed under -v help perhaps
[04:23:28] shesek: "no manual entry for mythfrontend" ? :(
[04:23:33] shesek: how come?
[04:23:44] kormoc: noone wrote one yet
[04:23:51] kormoc: feel free to
[04:24:22] shesek: -v wants debug-level, what should I give it so I'll see key-presses but not too much useless data?
[04:26:25] kormoc: -v most?
[04:27:14] kormoc: it's too bad encyclopedia sphery isn't around
[04:27:59] shesek: I don't see any key-storkes now either
[04:28:23] shesek: damn. working with a screen that's on the floor is a really bad idea for my back :\
[04:28:44] shesek: I can barely stand up to get a smoke
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[04:35:13] Dagmar: Hmm... key storks
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[04:35:23] Dagmar: I like that idea
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[04:39:27] shesek: Dagmar, you liked.. what idea?
[04:39:32] shesek: and.. any other suggestions?
[04:39:46] Dagmar: Storks flying in with new keys
[04:39:56] Dagmar: Great big novelty ones
[04:40:40] shesek: oh.. s/storks/strokes/
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[04:51:42] shesek: so, any ideas?
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[05:56:52] shesek: Good night, and thanks for everyone's time
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[06:14:31] JYA: sphery, are you there?
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[07:07:51] henkpoley: Say I want to wipe all channel/card/etc. information (but not my recordings...) what table contents do I need to drop ?
[07:11:37] wagnerrp_: none, you go into mythtv-setup, wipe all cards in section 2, and create new
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[07:23:36] henkpoley: Ah, okay
[07:23:56] henkpoley: I had already used the "wipe channels" option, but I'm still seeing older channels in my DB
[07:24:07] henkpoley: But okay, I''l try that next
[07:25:31] wagnerrp: you will see older channels, but as long as your sources are not bound to a card, mythtv will not try to record from them
[07:25:36] wagnerrp: and they will not show in your lineup
[07:26:08] wagnerrp: however if you remove the old sources, you tend to screw up old recordings that are tied to those sources
[07:44:45] new2linx: whats the fastest way to get 5,000 songs from another folder into mythmusic? I can't believe i'd have to do it a file at a time? I searched the top level folder but I notice if I select import all, it'll have the same track number, same genre and whatnot for all songs OR am I misunderstanding the import file section within mythmusic?
[07:47:14] henkpoley: wagnerrp: nice to know
[07:48:10] henkpoley: I'm struggling getting MythTV to work with the DVB-C of my "broken" cable provider
[07:48:42] henkpoley: Did the stuff here: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_tuning_broken_with_DVB-C
[07:48:50] henkpoley: Did (does..) not work
[07:49:17] henkpoley: I'm seeing 0% signal on some channels
[07:49:25] henkpoley: 53% on others, but never a lock
[07:50:19] henkpoley: It used to work fine until they started moving frequencies
[07:50:32] henkpoley: ..about a month ago.
[07:57:34] henkpoley: Oh joy, just tried a rescan of known transports. crashes mythtv setup
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[08:03:53] henkpoley: now a non crashing run, still no image
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[08:13:50] wagnerrp: new2linx: you set the root folder for music, and it should just scan everything and pull metadata out of the tags
[08:14:23] wagnerrp: i was unaware mythmusic even had a way to import individual files
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[08:29:18] new2linx: wagnerrp, i wasn't sure because when I am looking at the first file after searching folder, it has the Genre, Year and Track No all blank so I didn't want to import 5000 songs wrong.
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[08:59:15] juski: Genre is generally *wrong* anyway by my reckoning
[08:59:58] juski: since when were albums by house music artists 'folk' music? ;-)
[09:00:16] juski: stupid user-contributed crap
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[09:15:05] juski: heh ID3v2 supports chapters. Didn't know that
[09:26:26] jduggan: so
[09:26:36] jduggan: uhm
[09:26:42] jduggan: i was on big brother for like 1second
[09:26:46] jduggan: fame \o/
[09:26:46] jduggan: ;]
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[09:29:07] xand: eww
[09:29:17] jduggan: shush
[09:29:22] jduggan: im not a fan
[09:29:35] jduggan: i just happened to get vip passes and thought it would be an experience
[09:30:16] clever: lol
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[09:30:35] laga: sheesh
[09:30:37] jduggan: :P
[09:30:41] laga: other peoiple are on big brother for a month or more
[09:30:56] jduggan: ok, steal the lime light why dont you
[09:31:27] laga: :P
[09:31:33] jduggan: :P
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[09:58:28] johannes_: hi I bought a skystar hd2 pci card for my mythbuntu server, when I try to watch TV, it only works with kaffeine, mythtv wont find a signal, I think this may be due to s2api support on mythtv, is s2api planned to be inplemented in mythtv any time soon?
[09:59:49] henkpoley: Is there anything special you need to do to compile MythTV on ubuntu, apart from getting several -dev packages?
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[10:00:09] henkpoley: Mine just built fine, but keeps segfaulting
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[10:00:48] henkpoley: Just did a make clean, and started again. But just to be sure I'm missing something
[10:01:02] henkpoley: Ubuntu 9.04 AMD64, btw.
[10:01:19] henkpoley: And mythtv 0.21 fixes
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[10:04:12] JYA: on ubuntu, type: sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv
[10:04:18] henkpoley: johannes_: search svn.mythtv.org
[10:04:20] JYA: this will install all the required dependency
[10:04:36] henkpoley: JYA: you need the source repo's enabled for that isn't it?
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[10:04:40] henkpoley: Anyways, I'll try
[10:05:21] henkpoley: Ah.. seems to work
[10:05:26] JYA: why compile it yourself, when there are so many pre-built pacages for mythtv/
[10:05:27] JYA: ?
[10:05:28] henkpoley: Thanks JYA
[10:05:45] henkpoley: JYA: this: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_tuning_broken_ . . . .pl_solution
[10:05:54] henkpoley: The script there does nothing
[10:06:00] henkpoley: So I'm trying the patch now
[10:06:11] henkpoley: Can't really do that without compiling heh
[10:06:40] JYA: that says to install mythtv, the pre-built package, I see no instructions requring you to build from source
[10:06:54] henkpoley: Patch is linked just above the anchor
[10:06:54] henkpoley: Scroll up 3 cm
[10:07:11] henkpoley: Yes, but that walkthrough did not help me
[10:07:29] henkpoley: It does do a lot of things, and give me a nice listing of all channels in a txt file
[10:08:02] henkpoley: But when mythtv imports, it seems to trust the tuning the channel tells it more, than tuning it uses itself
[10:08:19] henkpoley: The fixup perl script should fix that, but it doesn't for me
[10:08:39] johannes_: henkpoley this looks bad. I found a ticket for s2api support, the last time some work on it had been done was 4 month ago http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5882
[10:09:21] henkpoley: johannes_: what about the changesets ? Sometimes tickets don't get updated while work is still done
[10:09:28] JYA: s2api patch is for trunk, not 0.21. it requires a database change, so won't install on 0.21
[10:09:44] henkpoley: johannes_, you could try commenting at that ticket though
[10:10:52] johannes_: I would not mind to run trunk until 0.22 is out ( I already do) but it doesnt work
[10:11:56] henkpoley: Ask there, and be prepared to get the 'fix it yourself' reply
[10:11:58] johannes_: what should I write? that there are still people out there interested in this feature?
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[10:12:19] henkpoley: Just what you did to try to get it to work
[10:12:29] johannes_: Ok
[10:13:49] henkpoley: johannes_: also seen this: http://dolot.kipdola.com/index.php?title=Install_S2API ?
[10:14:03] henkpoley: I bet you did
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[10:27:51] johannes_: I used this howto: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Azurewa . . . 28VP-1041%29
[10:35:05] henkpoley: Just installing from source (compiling in /mythtv) means it misses all the extra themes ?
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[11:07:05] henkpoley: Ah with patched mythtv I just get blackness on livetv
[11:08:33] henkpoley: And still not EIT, though it's been running for a few minutes
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[12:24:31] shesek: hey, I'm having some problems with my iMON PAD remote controller. some keys are working, but some keys (like rewind) shows up on irw but don't do anything. any ideas?
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[12:33:17] johannes_: I installed a frontend on my new notebook and want to connect to my mythserver, though I forgot the databases name (probably still mythconverge) the user name and the password, I can access the server as root via ssh. Is there a way to retrieve the needed informations by ssh?
[12:34:18] janneg: mythconverg
[12:35:46] Saviq: johannes_: you can check on the backend in /etc/mythtv
[12:36:15] johannes_: ok, what file would I have to look into?
[12:36:42] johannes_: I think I found it in config.xml
[12:36:43] johannes_: thx
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[12:48:49] johannes_: I got the password and netstat -tulpen says there is a programm listening at port 3306, but when I try to connect I get a connection failed. what can I check next? maybe the database itself?
[12:50:37] janneg: johannes_: does the database allows network connections? is the mythtv user restricted to localhost
[12:53:40] johannes_: janneg I dont know how to check this, is this written to config.xml?
[12:54:17] janneg: no mysql permissions
[12:54:32] janneg: or configuration
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[12:57:12] johannes_: there is a mysql.txt file in /etc/mythtv but it says nothing except DbName User name and the password
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[13:00:59] JYA: that's all it is supposed to say ...
[13:02:25] johannes_: OK, Ill have to wait for 0.22 anyway, thanks for your help though
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[13:07:56] janneg: johannes_: no the actual mysql configuration, probably /etc/mysql/my.cnf
[13:09:46] janneg: and check http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-6.html#ss6.2
[13:09:54] janneg: "Modifying access to the MySQL database for multiple systems"
[13:13:54] johannes_: thx
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[13:56:46] juski: oo somebody's started work on a google calendar thingy for mythtv
[13:57:05] juski: in python. EEW
[14:00:01] laga: yeah, java would be much better ;)
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[14:02:21] gbee: google, eew
[14:02:58] juski: one of my long term wants is to make a calendar/reminder whatsit
[14:04:02] juski: be quite cool to be able to pull up a list of upcoming events/birthdays/whatever
[14:06:29] gbee: I'd only remember to check it two days after I'd missed each event
[14:07:04] juski: aye which is why having a notification thingy first would be best :)
[14:07:21] juski: heheh that python thing is basically just a webkit browser
[14:08:53] gbee: umm, why not just use mythbrowser, or the browser widget inside a new C++ plugin
[14:09:09] juski: muh, because c++ is too hard!
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[14:36:20] juski: so much for the rain they forecast :)
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[14:43:35] Hoxzer:
[14:45:18] juski: ?
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[15:00:52] Buds: Hi i have been working on my mythtv setup with a Hauppauge PVR 150, I have set it up as IVTV and i have a picture. But the picture is very staticy both on mythtv and on normal comcast cable now. When i dont run the coaxial through the tuner card it works fine. Any ideas?
[15:02:23] juski: sounds like a signal strength issue
[15:03:05] juski: i.e. split the cable too many times & signal strength suffers
[15:03:31] Buds: hmm
[15:03:34] Buds: it is split once.
[15:03:38] juski: every two-way split divides the signal by at least a half
[15:03:41] Buds: for the modem and TV.
[15:04:04] Buds: Does it lose some signal when i run it through the TV tuner card?
[15:04:15] juski: yup
[15:04:17] Buds: It normally runs like a top with my 1 split
[15:04:30] juski: don't doubt that
[15:04:42] Buds: Any ideas how I could approach that problem?
[15:04:52] juski: get an amplified splitter
[15:05:23] juski: or get the cable company to give you more signal
[15:06:53] Buds: hmm, ill look into it real quick, thanks for your input i appreciate it.
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[15:08:35] juski: every device on the cable presents a load on the signal, so any unused split-offs won't necessarily 'sap' the signal
[15:09:15] juski: although having unterminated cable runs around the place probably isn't a great idea since cable has a tendency to act like an antenna itself ;-)
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[15:09:52] Buds: should i try to run it without the modem hooked up first?
[15:10:09] Buds: to see if that is the problem
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[15:10:38] juski: the problem is that there's not enough signal on the cable
[15:10:45] juski: you need to modem on :)
[15:11:16] Buds: hmm ok, 1 more question =X Does the comcast cable box also split the signal?
[15:11:41] juski: no but it'll present a load on the cable
[15:12:31] Buds: when i hooked it up straight to the cable (bypass the box) the signal actually got worse
[15:12:53] juski: sure the modem splitter is connected properly?
[15:13:45] Buds: Yea the wiring is right
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[15:16:09] juski: maybe try without the modem then, but if taking the modem out fixes it – then it's a matter for the cableco I'd have thought
[15:16:43] Buds: yea thats what i was thinking
[15:17:14] Buds: would the amplified splitter or calling the cableco be a more viable solution?
[15:17:38] Buds: i cant seem to find many of those splitters even on fry's website
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[15:18:02] juski: YMMV
[15:18:17] juski: might also be known as active splitters
[15:18:23] juski: or powered splitters
[15:18:39] Buds: lol ok ill take another look =p
[15:21:21] Buds: im gunna take that modem out of the equation and see what happens, brb.
[15:21:55] Buds: i shouldnt bypass the cable box though right?
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[15:23:09] juski: no reason why not
[15:23:28] Buds: k sounds good
[15:24:27] rickk: greetings, can someone tell me how to use the playlist to watch several recordings?
[15:24:52] oblib_: So I finally got around to using VDPAU, and I love it. Is there some established way to convert TV recordings to H.264? It is not listed as a transcoding profile, just MPEG4 and RJPEG.
[15:25:26] juski: http://www.frys.com/catreq/-10728
[15:25:52] juski: oblib_: that's all you get in mythtv at the moment
[15:26:10] juski: see nuvexport or make your own user job(s) to transcode to h,264
[15:26:32] oblib_: I think I tried that before, but had trouble seeking while playing in myth
[15:26:39] juski: rickk: easy. Press MENU while a recording is selected & select 'add to playlist'
[15:26:52] juski: rickk: you can add whole groups, or single shows
[15:26:56] juski: easy peasy
[15:27:06] rickk: Ok, then once I
[15:27:12] oblib_: Once I have a valid H.264 file, how do I make it play well with MythTV?
[15:27:12] juski: is it MENU or INFO? hrm
[15:27:17] juski: anyway one of those :)
[15:27:23] rickk: oops – after that then what?
[15:27:46] juski: oblib_: seeking in h.264 files is better nowadays apparently – and since you're thinking about VDPAU that means trunk anyway
[15:28:30] juski: rickk: after what?
[15:29:05] rickk: sorry – after added a recording to playlist, forgot to mention i am not using a remote.
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[15:29:46] juski: rickk: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Watch_Recordings
[15:30:22] rickk: will look there, thanks for the assistance!
[15:30:31] juski: yeah read the manual :D
[15:30:35] oblib_: juski: If I record and then automatically transcode, can I still cut commercials? Or shoud I make sure to cut commercials first, and then transcode to H.264?
[15:30:53] juski: oblib_: I'd never trust automatic commflagging
[15:31:05] juski: not before transcoding & dumping the original file :)
[15:31:29] juski: but transcoding to h.264 isn't going to make the video look any better
[15:31:41] juski: VDPAU is useful for mpeg2 too!
[15:32:06] juski: and if HDD space is an issue, it shouldn't be. storage has never been so cheap
[15:32:22] oblib_: True, but 2–3 GB movies are a lot nicer to have around than 12–20 GB movies
[15:32:48] oblib_: Just got a terabyte for $70... I guess I need to fill it with something
[15:33:06] juski: sigh. I'll never get you file squirrel types :)
[15:33:28] juski: watch, delete, watch, delete.. or just delete :D
[15:34:51] oblib_: You don't have any kids, do you ;)
[15:35:05] oblib_: That's more like watch, watch, watch, watch...
[15:36:10] juski: when I do they'll learn the value of disk space
[15:36:29] juski: wont stand for any repetition. I have friends whose kids have worn DVDs out
[15:37:11] juski: my dad taught me well. we used but one VHS tape for years when he bought a VCR :D
[15:37:35] juski: I hope mythtv's parental controls are better by then too
[15:38:23] rickk: found it — press "/" to add recording to playlist, press "M" to get to menu, and choose playlist options, and lastly choose play...
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[15:38:42] juski: it's in the manual!
[15:42:06] oblib_: So I'm also trying to get the frontend to work in Windows, but I'm having troubles with mysql. Do I need a local server running if I've got a backend that I'm trying to connect to?
[15:43:12] juski: no
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[15:43:30] juski: though you need to configure the mysql server to allow remote connections
[15:43:40] juski: and mythbackend to do likewise
[15:43:54] Buds: juski: unfortunately the picture still has static on it weather or not it is split.
[15:43:55] juski: leaving em bound to 127.0.0.1 won't be any use :)
[15:44:02] oblib_: I run the frontend, and get the following: Connected to database 'mythconverg' at host: media
[15:44:03] Buds: it just seems to be whenever it has to go through the tuner card that the slight static comes up.
[15:44:13] oblib_: DB Error (delete_profile_group 1):
[15:45:18] juski: Buds: go *through* the tuner?
[15:45:34] juski: Buds: there's only one 'cable' input on the pVR150 card
[15:45:50] Buds: FM in / TV out
[15:45:52] Buds: correct?
[15:45:56] Buds: lol
[15:45:56] juski: no
[15:46:04] juski: FM in / TV IN
[15:46:23] juski: FM, as in FM radio
[15:46:35] juski: TV, as in the input for cable/antenna
[15:46:43] kormoc: and not all pvr-150's have the FM in
[15:46:49] Buds: hmm ok
[15:46:50] juski: so only one wire should be going to the tuner card
[15:47:07] juski: one wire in. none out
[15:47:11] Buds: hmm, let me take a look at the wiring.
[15:47:15] juski: it's not a loop through :)
[15:49:02] Buds: so the TV out from my cable box goes into the Tv in?
[15:49:15] kormoc: yes
[15:49:17] Buds: then what brings the signal to my TV
[15:49:24] Buds: via HDMI?
[15:49:31] kormoc: from your videocard, however that is
[15:49:48] Buds: i have a 9800gtx via HDMI
[15:50:10] kormoc: thefRont, yes, that's how you get the tv to see the display
[15:50:36] Buds: okay ill see what i can do
[15:50:46] Buds: thnx
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[15:51:58] juski: Buds: ok. as far as the cable is concerned – it comes in the house, then splits to the modem, TV and/or cable box, TV tuner card. Your PC is then connected to the TV via the VGA card by whatever means are available :)
[15:52:54] juski: the PVR150 cannot output to your TV by RF cable or any other way
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[15:53:34] oblib: Here's the vital output from my frontend crashing : http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1483906
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[15:54:25] rickk: Buds: check the cable from pvr150 to splitter for loose connections, also check grounding system.
[15:54:43] kormoc: oblib, looks like the mysql client headers you used to build your qt-mysql drivers are for a different version of mysql then your server is
[15:54:50] Buds: hmm okay so its running pretty well now, so since it isnt a loop that means watching normal cable isnt possible without ANOTHER splitter?
[15:55:08] juski: Buds: yups
[15:55:11] oblib: kormoc, that's likely, I had 5.0 installed from a while ago, but when I just built, it installed 5.1
[15:55:18] Buds: ahhh okay i didnt get that piece
[15:55:20] juski: Buds: see the link I posted earlier?
[15:55:31] kormoc: oblib, that can cause issues like that
[15:55:42] oblib: kormoc, is there an easy fix
[15:55:48] Buds: sry no i didnt i was messing with the cables
[15:56:01] kormoc: oblib, upgrade your mysql server, downgrade the client libs on the windows build and rebuild
[15:56:10] kormoc: those are really only the two options
[15:56:20] juski: Buds: http://www.frys.com/catreq/-10728
[15:56:47] oblib: kormoc, the server on my backend?
[15:56:49] juski: dunno if I'd recommend anything from that selection, maybe other USA folks could comment on good quality amplified splitters
[15:57:07] kormoc: oblib, yes
[15:57:15] Buds: juski: thanks for the link, are those all the coax splitters they have or just the amplified ones?
[15:57:22] juski: both
[15:57:31] Buds: k
[15:58:17] juski: the cable co can usually adjust the power level they give you. some people find they can split the cable lots of times & not notice any degredation
[15:58:54] juski: well, when I say adjust – they have a number of feeds of a given power available & they just put some cables on the appropriate one
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[16:01:15] Buds: do they have to come out to the house and deal with that underground?
[16:01:25] oblib: kormoc, will I need to rebuild QT, or just mythtv?
[16:01:27] Buds: or can they do it over the phone
[16:01:37] kormoc: oblib, QT
[16:01:39] juski: splitting a cable once & feeding it to two devices rather than just one effectively *halves* the signal level available to both devices. Every used 2-way split after that does the same, so splitting a cable 4 ways into say, 2 TVs, a STB & tuner card would end up with each getting a quarter of the full signal at best
[16:01:47] juski: Buds: they prolly need a guy to come out
[16:02:39] juski: good quality amplified splitters are worth the money IMHO
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[16:03:58] Buds: yea it looks like there about 30$ right?
[16:04:11] juski: wouldn't pay much more than that
[16:04:33] oblib: kormoc, do I need to do something to let QT know where sql 5.0 is, or just run it's build batch file?
[16:04:37] Buds: i figured, well i really appreciate the help juski, now i need to get an SPDIF cable for my HDMI sound and that splitter.
[16:04:40] juski: I can get an 8-way model for about £20 here – but I live just down the road ffrom the manufacturer
[16:05:02] juski: analog cable on an HDTV isn't gonna be pretty ;-)
[16:05:30] Buds: lol yea i dual boot and play some games in 720p though :)
[16:05:31] kormoc: oblib, the mysql 5 header files need to be the ones it includes, so they have to be in the include dirs
[16:05:34] juski: Buds: BTW unless the splitter has a 'bypass' port for the modem, put it on the cable AFTER the modem
[16:05:58] juski: i.e. don't put the modem on one of the splitter outputs
[16:06:19] oblib: Is there an easy way to tell the myth build script to rebuild QT (and copy the correct header files) without redownloading things, or should I just try to do it by hand?
[16:07:29] Buds: juski: so i dont bottleneck my Internet connection?
[16:07:48] juski: no, so you don't fry the modem or the splitter
[16:08:03] juski: (worst case). best case it'll just not work
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[16:09:16] oblib: kormoc, that was directed at you, forgot to type your name, sorry
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[16:09:30] Buds: kinda confused again lol, im just using the splitter to get my cable box working as normal incase i dont want to run my computer while i watch tv.
[16:09:52] Buds: the modem isnt connected to the cable box
[16:10:07] juski: where does the modem get its connection from?
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[16:10:38] Buds: the coax from the wall is split into 2, 1 for the tv tuner and 1 for the modem.
[16:10:44] juski: right
[16:11:10] juski: so where does the cable for the TV/STB come from?
[16:11:12] Buds: im planning on splitting the coax between the tuner and tv
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[16:12:06] Buds: the TVs coax is split once from the wall, into the tuner.
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[16:12:20] Buds: wait no, into the cable box, into the tuner.
[16:12:23] Buds: lol
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[16:13:23] Buds: what if i just bought a 4 way coax amplifier and just used that as the splitter for them all? would that be easier?
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[16:15:54] juski: don't put the modem on an output of the splitter
[16:16:09] juski: unless it has a specific 'bypass' or 'cable modem' socket
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[16:17:19] juski: so from the wall you'd go cable -> 2-way split (as now). one leg of the 2-way splitter goes to the cable modem & the other goes to the input of the coax amplifier. then connect TV, cable box etc to the coax amp's outputs
[16:17:50] Buds: oh ok
[16:18:03] Buds: so just amplified splitters you dont wanna put the modem on the output
[16:18:07] Buds: correct?
[16:18:12] juski: correct
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[16:18:27] Buds: that makes sense, normal splitters is okay though right?
[16:18:31] juski: but for best results I'd always put the cable modem as close to where the cable comes into the house as possible
[16:18:32] kormoc: oblib, I wouldn't know, sorry
[16:18:41] Buds: cuz mines always been like that on a normal splitter
[16:18:58] tank-man: just call the cable guy :)
[16:19:12] Buds: tank-man: whats the fun in that? =P
[16:19:17] juski: Buds: cable amplifiers generally only work one-way, and modems need it to be two-way
[16:20:23] juski: you can buy fancy two-way cable amplifiers but they cost more – and you likely won't need one anyway
[16:20:38] juski: that's two-way is in *bidirectional*
[16:21:08] Buds: would it make my internet faster? =P
[16:22:04] juski: erm, no
[16:22:47] juski: this is reminding me of a guy I heard about who wanted to feed 4 satellite receivers from one dish. He used a passive splitter & blew up three of the four receivers :-P
[16:23:13] Buds: lol brilliant
[16:23:35] Dibblah: Actually quite easy to do. You're essentially shorting out each 12v supply.
[16:23:42] Buds: well im gunna head off to frys and pick this stuff up. thanks again juski for the help. your a lifesaver.
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[16:26:33] juski: Dibblah: the fuses on the LNB +12V side hadn't blown but it'd taken the PSUs out. Cheap STBs :D
[16:27:18] juski: logical assumption to make though, innit? ;-)
[16:27:38] wagnerrp: i just got a dirty look from some people in a parade
[16:28:12] wagnerrp: they were promoting environmentalism, and i commented about how they were littering the streets with their fliers
[16:28:47] jduggan: ah
[16:28:48] kormoc: I will destroy the Earth to save it!
[16:28:57] ** jduggan was going to make a funny about the gay parade **
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[16:29:26] Dibblah: Just show them your http://images.ethicalsuperstore.com/images/75 . . . %20Maker.jpg
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[16:31:00] AndyCap: Dibblah: something about the name ethicalsuperstore sounds wrong
[16:33:27] juski: not quite as wrong as www.ethical-eugenics.com or www.ethical-euthenasia.org
[16:34:31] gbee: www.ethical-politician.co.uk
[16:34:51] juski: touche!
[16:37:23] jduggan: lol
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[16:50:39] wagnerrp: AndyCap: why is that? people can have different ethics
[16:51:10] wagnerrp: Dibblah: is that for making granola bars?
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[17:08:29] AndyCap: wagnerrp: was thinking along the lines of "Get your indulgences here, 2 for 1 sale, Can't find cheaper indulgences anywhere"
[17:13:23] Dibblah: wagnerrp: It's for making paper logs.
[17:13:26] Dibblah: To burn.
[17:13:53] wagnerrp: it was a joke... granola bars... made out of packed newspaper...
[17:18:31] jblack: what granola bars aren't?
[17:20:40] sphery: http://onlineslangdictionary.com/definition+of/granola
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[17:43:58] shesek: which config should I use for the Menu button for lirc config file?
[17:45:04] shesek: I want it to pop up OSD
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[19:09:41] KaZeR: hello there
[19:11:05] KaZeR: i'm reinstalling mythtv on a fresh gentoo, installed latest available one but mythtv-setup segfaults when i launch it
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[19:40:02] cesman: KaZeR: you'll have to provide more details
[19:40:40] cesman: KaZeR: I don't use Gentoo myself, I know there is an issue w/ scanning and multi core CPUs
[19:41:28] cesman: KaZeR: taskset -c 0 /usr/bin/mythtv-setup
[19:41:38] kormoc: that will only help if you're scanning
[19:41:58] kormoc: if it's during startup, run it via strace and see if it segfaults right after checking kde theme files
[19:42:44] KaZeR: cesman, i have a dual core cpu (X2 64)
[19:42:51] KaZeR: kormoc, i can share my strace hang on
[19:43:45] KaZeR: http://www.kazer.org/mythtv.trace
[19:44:18] kormoc: and what were you doing when it segfaulted?
[19:45:40] KaZeR: i'm only trying to launch mythtv-setup. i don't even see the window
[19:46:04] KaZeR: on console i have :
[19:46:06] KaZeR: 2009-07–04 21:45:44.406 lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages
[19:46:06] KaZeR: 2009-07–04 21:45:44.408 JoystickMenuClient Error: Joystick disabled – Failed to read /root/.mythtv/joystickmenurc
[19:46:10] KaZeR: then it segfaults
[19:46:47] kormoc: that's a different location then the kde theme issue we've seen before
[19:47:02] kormoc: you'll need to read the debugging wiki page and do a backtrace
[19:47:29] cesman: and not run mythtv as root ;)
[19:48:21] KaZeR: cesman, yes that's because i have a few more things to emerge
[19:48:30] KaZeR: kormoc, gahh.. thanks anyway
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[20:08:23] shesek: hey, I'm having some problems with my iMON PAD remote controller. some keys are working, but some keys (like rewind) shows up on irw but don't do anything. any ideas?
[20:08:38] shesek: oh. never mind that
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[21:33:09] Buds: im having some trouble with getting my channel guide to work correctly, im hooked to a comcast digital cable box and that seems to be the only way to navigate channels, is there a way to sync these both to work simultaneously?
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[21:33:55] kormoc: YOu need a ir blaster to control the cable box, and you'll need a schedules direct subscription to get the guide data
[21:35:17] Buds: okay i did the schedules direct thing last night, what is "ir blaster"?
[21:35:31] kormoc: It's a device that allows the computer to emulate a remote
[21:35:48] Buds: ah okay that makes sense, ill look into it. thanks.
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[21:36:01] wagnerrp: your tuner card may have come with one
[21:36:07] Buds: its a pvr 150
[21:36:14] Buds: i dont think it did
[21:36:44] wagnerrp: it should have
[21:36:54] wagnerrp: all PVR150s should come with one
[21:37:09] kormoc: not all the 150 packages came with them
[21:37:11] Buds: what is it exactly, a program correct?
[21:37:19] kormoc: no
[21:37:22] kormoc: it's a hardware device
[21:37:25] wagnerrp: its a device, an infrared transmitter
[21:37:25] Buds: then no
[21:37:25] Buds: i didnt
[21:37:55] kormoc: http://wiki.mythtv.org/wiki/IR_Blaster
[21:38:08] Buds: yea im on that page already
[21:38:12] wagnerrp: i thought the vanilla 150s came with a receiver/transmitter combo, and the MCE ones came with one blaster for the included receiver box
[21:38:43] Buds: i just got a pci tuner card
[21:38:45] Buds: thats it
[21:38:59] wagnerrp: at least both of my vanilla tuners came with blasters
[21:39:00] Buds: i ebayd it
[21:39:26] Buds: if i just bypass the cable box do i even have to deal with it?
[21:39:51] wagnerrp: no, but you also (most likely) lose out on most of your channels
[21:40:11] Buds: yea i just get basic cable channels instead right?
[21:40:46] wagnerrp: you get the analog lineup, but the comcast may have already dropped most of their analog lineup in your area
[21:41:08] wagnerrp: or do you mean basic cable, as in local broadcast channels only?
[21:41:48] Buds: naw i mean the analog lineup i think, as in just hook straight into the wall.
[21:42:13] wagnerrp: if comcast has moved to DTAs in your area, you are only likely to get 30 or so channels
[21:42:26] Buds: hmm
[21:42:29] wagnerrp: if they have no, expect them to be doing so in the near term
[21:44:40] Buds: the tv in the other room hooked directly into the wall has quite a few channels
[21:44:43] Buds: about 70
[21:45:05] Buds: thats analog right?
[21:45:35] wagnerrp: yes
[21:45:48] wagnerrp: however Comcast is switching to DTAs
[21:45:56] Buds: okay cool ill give it a try until i have to switch
[21:46:01] wagnerrp: basically a $1/mo rental on a QAM tuner
[21:46:18] wagnerrp: they drop most of their analog channels, and make users start using these
[21:46:32] wagnerrp: a cheaper alternative to full cable boxes
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[21:47:48] wagnerrp: to be honest, the preferred method is just to get Comcast to swap out your cablebox for one that supports firewire
[21:48:28] wagnerrp: you may be able to record over it, and even if you cant, you can use it in place of an IR blaster to change channels
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[21:49:30] syamajala: hi
[21:49:59] syamajala: i've been thinking about getting a netbook and usb atsc tuner
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[21:50:40] wagnerrp: mythtv probably isnt for you
[21:51:03] wagnerrp: mythtv is entirely based around recording TV, while i assume you want to watch TV
[21:51:37] wagnerrp: also, note that most netbooks you can buy will probably be underpowered for playing ATSC content
[21:51:54] syamajala: thats what i've been wondering about
[21:52:31] syamajala: i would probably need a hardware decoder right?
[21:52:50] wagnerrp: nearly all of them will be incapable of directly decoding ATSC content, and most of them will be incapable of doing so even with XvMC assistance
[21:53:51] wagnerrp: something ION based will work just fine, but you would probably have better luck getting something that will work in windows
[21:54:40] wagnerrp: windows tends to have better hardware decoding support
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[21:54:59] syamajala: meh it probably isn't worth the trouble
[21:55:08] syamajala: it was just a crazy idea i had
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[22:01:01] syamajala: my friend actually gave me a refurbished pctv hd pro which a i got working on my mbp with myth
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[22:01:32] wagnerrp: a MBP actually has a proper processor
[22:01:52] wagnerrp: netbooks usually use underpowered Vias or equally underpowered in-order Atoms
[22:01:56] syamajala: he thought it was broken because it was refurbished, but i got it to work and got it for free!
[22:02:48] syamajala: i've been thinking about selling my mbp though and getting a netbook, because i've been using linux on it anyway
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[22:04:35] wagnerrp: linux doesnt magically make poor hardware faster
[22:06:30] Buds: but it can be used to use less resources therefore being a more viable option for a low-end system.
[22:07:16] wagnerrp: yeah, but youre looking at a system that idles on 5W instead of 15W
[22:07:27] wagnerrp: irrelevant even in the long term
[22:08:07] Buds: it wouldnt be worth it, but i have heard of lots of people throwing together a low-end system from spare parts and having mythbuntu run fine.
[22:08:30] Buds: but obviously yes you would get better results with a better system.
[22:08:32] wagnerrp: a low end system made out of spare parts from old desktops
[22:08:47] wagnerrp: any desktop system built in the last couple years is going to be capable of decoding ATSC
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[22:10:44] Buds: well, depending on the hardware makeup, but yea most likely. netbooks were created for email and web browsing, i wouldn't suggest trying much more on them.
[22:11:01] Buds: you get what your pay for =p
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[22:11:44] wagnerrp: something built off a low end celeron or athlon might manage ATSC
[22:11:53] wagnerrp: but youre not going to get much out of a Via or Atom chip
[22:12:32] Buds: yea thats a little too old, he used a scrap p4 and he ran like a top.
[22:12:44] Buds: *it ran like a top
[22:12:48] Buds: lol
[22:13:06] wagnerrp: netburst really needed 2.4GHz or better to manage full bitrate ATSC
[22:13:26] wagnerrp: although you could probably get by with any P4 if you used XvMC
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[22:16:57] Buds: so i tryed to bypass the cable box, i have it split out of the wall into a modem and the other end into a amplified splitter. from the splitter i ran a coax into the tuner card.
[22:17:04] Buds: but tv isnt working
[22:17:08] Buds: any ideas?
[22:17:21] wagnerrp: you have it set up like an mpeg encoder card, not ivtv?
[22:17:31] wagnerrp: err... not v4l
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[22:17:59] Buds: yea its set as ivtv
[22:18:08] Buds: mpeg-2
[22:18:30] wagnerrp: and youre using the tuner input, instead of the svideo one?
[22:19:22] Buds: umm, yes the coax is going into the tv in.
[22:19:26] Buds: no svideo at all
[22:19:38] wagnerrp: no, in mythtv-setup
[22:19:44] wagnerrp: the ivtv cards list five inputs
[22:20:06] wagnerrp: you have it set up using the correct input?
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[22:20:29] Buds: yea its using tuner1
[22:20:43] Buds: /dev/video0
[22:21:12] Buds: none of the component / svideos have ever been touched
[22:21:29] wagnerrp: but you were running it through your cable box?
[22:22:09] Buds: yea i was, and the picture showed but i still had the comcast remote as the channel guide
[22:22:34] wagnerrp: plugged into the cable box using the RF input?
[22:23:34] wagnerrp: usually you would use svideo, or at least composite for that
[22:23:43] Buds: the cable box is using RF in, its also connected to the amplified splitter along with the coax going to my tuner card.
[22:23:56] wagnerrp: the RF modulators in those cable boxes generally look like ass
[22:25:12] Buds: use svid/comp for my tuner to tv or cable box to tv?
[22:25:45] wagnerrp: you would either plug the cable line directly into the tuner, or run svideo from the cable box to the capture inputs
[22:26:05] wagnerrp: but you dont want to run RF from the cable box into the tuner
[22:26:43] wagnerrp: did you ever make a new lineup for analog cable?
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[22:27:04] wagnerrp: you wont be able to use your digital cable source for analog
[22:27:05] Buds: channel lineup?
[22:27:15] wagnerrp: yes
[22:27:35] wagnerrp: make a new lineup on schedules direct, and then import it into mythtv
[22:27:58] wagnerrp: you can just use the 'import lineup' when you bind the source to the card
[22:28:01] wagnerrp: rather than having to scan
[22:28:16] Shadow__X: wagnerrp, you use your recently setup server
[22:28:21] Buds: i did the scan and it came up with a bunch of crap
[22:28:26] Buds: but ill try to import it
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[22:58:55] Buds: wagnerr, so i have the correct listings, the channels are all correct and showing up, but when i press watch tv it just blinks.
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[23:26:55] beta__: Hello oall
[23:27:15] beta__: Anyone have any idea how to stabalize my FW connection to my STB?
[23:28:20] beta__ is now known as beta2k
[23:30:13] beta2k: Hello oall
[23:30:16] beta2k: Anyone have any idea how to stabalize my FW connection to my STB?
[23:30:28] beta2k: Neither broadcast nor p2p are stable :(
[23:37:07] Shadow__X: beta2k,what do you mean by unstable
[23:37:47] beta2k: I mean when I run firewire_tester I get probably 50%+ failed
[23:38:59] Shadow__X: try on a broadcast channel
[23:39:08] Shadow__X: firewire is finnicky
[23:39:18] Shadow__X: you arent guaranteed to get it to work
[23:41:37] Shadow__X: beta2k,what service provider do you have and where are you
[23:42:08] beta2k: Cogeco in Ontario, Canada
[23:42:26] beta2k: I've tried broadcast
[23:42:47] Shadow__X: beta2k,oh ok i have heard mixed things about fw in canada some providors are good while others arent
[23:43:05] beta2k: What's odd is I had no issues getting it working with my mac...
[23:43:06] Shadow__X: beta2k,i would make sure you are following the information you find on the wiki and your stb
[23:43:23] Shadow__X: beta2k,eh it all depends on time channel and all that
[23:43:46] Shadow__X: they can encrypt things sometimes and not others
[23:45:39] beta2k: Gagh, I missed the part in the wiki where I had to turn on the connections....
[23:46:43] Shadow__X: turn on the connections?
[23:46:43] beta2k: still can't get livetv to work, hrm
[23:47:11] beta2k: By default your n_p2p_connections will be set to '0'. This mode presented unreliable operation with dct6200's for recording and watching. Set p2p to 1.
[23:47:15] Shadow__X: beta2k,you have to test channels with firewire tester first to make sure you have a connection
[23:47:18] beta2k: I have a dct6200
[23:47:21] Shadow__X: ah ok
[23:48:01] Shadow__X: you also have the run firewire tester on known good channels to make sure packets are being sent
[23:50:15] Shadow__X: beta2k,all the info you need to get firewire working should be in the wiki thats what i followed
[23:50:26] Shadow__X: and it works on my dch 3200 no issue
[23:50:46] Shadow__X: and i would say its pretty reliable but again thats ymmv
[23:50:53] Shadow__X: on cable box and provider
[23:52:27] beta2k: Yeah this is kinda finiky :)
[23:52:43] beta2k: I'm sure I'll get it working
[23:52:59] beta2k: Atleast I'm getting further using ubuntu then I did with Mythdora
[23:53:17] Shadow__X: eh distro shouldnt really make a difference
[23:53:23] Shadow__X: atleast to my knowledge
[23:53:59] Shadow__X: just follow al the steps they tell you to and make sure you have everything
[23:58:55] Shadow__X: also beta2k make sure the backend isnt running while you are trying to get firewire working
[23:58:59] Shadow__X: with firewire tester

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