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| [00:01:22] | pizzledizzle: | sigh, my lirc still isnt workign |
| [00:05:38] | psm321: | pizzledizzle: did you do what Dagmar said? |
| [00:06:04] | psm321: | anyone have a few minutes to help with mdadm software raid? |
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| [00:23:05] | pizzledizzle: | psm321, he didnt really suggest anything other than using mceusb2 (which didnt work) and reading documentation (which i reread and found nothing) |
| [00:24:02] | Dagmar: | So the answer is basically "no" |
| [00:25:39] | pizzledizzle: | Dagmar, if you know what the problem is then tell me |
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| [00:32:15] | Dagmar: | I no longer _give a damn_ |
| [00:32:26] | Dagmar: | You're in the wrong channel for "I can't make LIRC work" problems |
| [00:33:05] | Dagmar: | You've done nothing but complain, and given no real indication to anyone that you're doing anything more than saying "I can't make it work" over and over. |
| [00:33:08] | Dagmar: | Good luck with that |
| [00:34:11] | Dagmar: | Maybe next time you'll consider that there might be people on the internet who know more about this stuff than you do before you decide to act like a little punk to them |
| [00:34:40] | pizzledizzle: | Dagmar, so you sit in a support channel and answer people's request for help, but rather than helping them, you tell them to read the documentation, and when they tell you they did several times over, you throw a tantrum and start blogging about how no one is listening to you |
| [00:35:06] | pizzledizzle: | what a troll |
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| [00:48:53] | phunyguy: | wow |
| [00:48:59] | phunyguy: | spoken from a true troll. |
| [00:49:35] | phunyguy: | psm321, what do you need to know? |
| [00:50:37] | Dagmar: | Good thing I plonked him before I felt like being really nasty |
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| [00:52:12] | wagnerrp: | pizzledizzle: this is not a lirc support channel, it is a mythtv support channel |
| [00:52:28] | pizzledizzle: | wagnerrp no shit |
| [00:52:29] | wagnerrp: | if 'irw' returns button codes, but theyre not working with mythtv, that is our area |
| [00:52:52] | wagnerrp: | other than that, we can make suggestions, but we may or may not know what were talking about |
| [00:53:09] | wagnerrp: | what version of lirc are you running, my mceusb2 units didnt start working until 0.8.4 |
| [00:53:11] | pizzledizzle: | wagnerrp that's all i wanted |
| [00:53:37] | pizzledizzle: | wagnerrp and all suggestions are appreciated, of course |
| [00:53:38] | wagnerrp: | under 0.8.2, the box would light up once when i hit a button on the remote, and then stay lit |
| [00:53:51] | phunyguy: | "plonked"? |
| [00:53:58] | wagnerrp: | the drivers would lock and it would take a restart to unload them |
| [00:54:05] | phunyguy: | watch your language |
| [00:54:19] | pizzledizzle: | wagnerrp so how did you fix it |
| [00:54:34] | wagnerrp: | i updated lirc, and then it 'just worked' |
| [00:55:01] | pizzledizzle: | gonna try another version. because it works on 0.8.4a that's on another computer. im doing this on 0.8.5 here |
| [00:55:13] | wagnerrp: | the only problem i had after that was that the drivers loaded in debug mode by default |
| [00:55:24] | phunyguy: | i blame the user. |
| [00:55:24] | wagnerrp: | and dumped a bunch of garbage to dmesg |
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| [01:01:53] | pizzledizzle: | omg it works |
| [01:01:54] | pizzledizzle: | haha |
| [01:02:18] | pizzledizzle: | did exact same install on 0.8.4a and it runs perfectly |
| [01:02:19] | wagnerrp: | sounds like they broke something in 0.8.5 |
| [01:02:26] | wagnerrp: | ill have to remember not to upgrade to that |
| [01:02:40] | pizzledizzle: | and it WAS mceusb like i was saying. NOT mceusb2 |
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| [01:03:36] | wagnerrp: | maybe they dropped support for the older units |
| [01:03:48] | wagnerrp: | or updated something, and no one bothered to check if they were still working |
| [01:05:17] | pizzledizzle: | probably |
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| [01:32:23] | wagnerrp: | seasons 1 of battlestar and heroes up on hddvdboxsets, $7.73 and $5.38 |
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| [02:13:42] | SlicerDic: | ping |
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| [02:41:11] | thedarkone: | hey wagnerrp u ever heard of under clocking a cpu to install linux? |
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| [02:44:48] | wagnerrp: | ive heard of underclocking a CPU, and ive heard of installing linux... but i have no idea what the two would have in common |
| [02:46:11] | thedarkone: | i had to under clock my cpu to install ubuntu |
| [02:46:25] | wagnerrp: | well then your system is horribly broken |
| [02:46:29] | wagnerrp: | and should be replaced |
| [02:47:56] | wagnerrp: | you underclock and undervolt a machine to decrease power consumption, because you want to make it quieter |
| [02:48:12] | wagnerrp: | if you have to do so for stability, you have a broken computer |
| [02:48:48] | thedarkone: | i got crc error and system halt when i run cpu at it normal 3.80 ghz |
| [02:49:00] | thedarkone: | if i run it at 3.20 ghz it installs fine |
| [02:52:53] | thedarkone: | i thought it was wierd |
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| [03:04:54] | pizzledizzle: | configuring my new remote now |
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| [03:33:34] | Hilikus: | hi guys |
| [03:34:03] | Hilikus: | im trying to configure a frontend on my LAN but it is complaining that it can't connect to mythconverg |
| [03:34:16] | Hilikus: | what do i need to do to myslqd to allow this? |
| [03:41:55] | wagnerrp: | thedarkone: where theres your problem, you bought a Prescott |
| [03:42:34] | wagnerrp: | the prescott is the rare CPU that cant even come close to running at stock speed stably with the stock heatsink |
| [03:43:06] | wagnerrp: | in other words... yes, you have broken hardware, you should buy new parts |
| [03:43:51] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: one or both of two possibilities |
| [03:44:20] | wagnerrp: | your MYSQL server is set up to only listen on the local file socket and on loopback, you need to set it to listen on the network and restart it |
| [03:45:04] | wagnerrp: | you do not have the necessary permissions set up... "grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'<your frontend's hostname>' identified by 'mythtv';" |
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| [03:49:09] | Hilikus: | i think its the former |
| [03:49:15] | Hilikus: | im testing it now |
| [03:49:29] | wagnerrp: | did you otherwise grant permissions to that machine? |
| [03:49:41] | wagnerrp: | its more likely both |
| [03:51:28] | Hilikus: | well mythtv user has all the required permissions |
| [03:51:43] | wagnerrp: | sure, on the local machine maybe |
| [03:52:03] | wagnerrp: | did you add permissions to the remote machine? or maybe your network as a whole? |
| [03:52:41] | wagnerrp: | you dont just give permissions to a user, you give it to a user @ a location |
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| [04:14:45] | Hilikus: | well the DB seems to connect, but now the problem is mythbackend |
| [04:15:10] | Hilikus: | do i need to specify the address somewhere else or jsut in the setup menu under database? |
| [04:15:39] | wagnerrp: | the backend must also be set up to allow remote access |
| [04:15:55] | wagnerrp: | by default, you probably set the backend to 127.0.0.1, you need to set it to a real IP |
| [04:16:04] | wagnerrp: | first page, first option, in mythtv-setup |
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| [04:21:10] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: so this is setup of the backend right? |
| [04:21:46] | wagnerrp: | the backend must be set up to accept connections over the network |
| [04:21:59] | wagnerrp: | you must run mythtv-setup on the backend |
| [04:22:55] | wagnerrp: | there are two settings, the master backend ip and the local backend ip |
| [04:23:00] | wagnerrp: | both need to be set to a real ip |
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| [04:25:12] | Hilikus: | whats the difference between local backend and master backend?? |
| [04:25:30] | wagnerrp: | mythtv allows you to operate multiple backends, one master and multiple slaves |
| [04:25:40] | Hilikus: | oh really i didnt knwo tghat |
| [04:25:42] | wagnerrp: | local backend is the IP of the machine currently running mythtv-setup |
| [04:25:50] | Hilikus: | so both of them should be the LAN ip? |
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| [04:25:56] | wagnerrp: | master backend defines which among the multiple backends will be the primary |
| [04:26:14] | wagnerrp: | assuming you have a singular backend, they should both be the same thing |
| [04:26:20] | Hilikus: | ok |
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| [04:36:54] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: i got it! it works |
| [04:36:57] | Hilikus: | thanks a lot man |
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| [04:37:06] | wagnerrp: | good to hear |
| [04:37:25] | kormoc: | Ahh, there we go |
| [04:37:33] | kormoc: | 80 megabytes per second raid-5 rebuild... niceness |
| [04:37:37] | Hilikus: | for some reason my setup menu only has one item. and i can't get to the key binding menu |
| [04:38:15] | Hilikus: | the menus look different from my other frontend |
| [04:38:53] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: thats with software? |
| [04:38:58] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, aye |
| [04:39:16] | wagnerrp: | thats about how fast my hardware does on raid6 |
| [04:39:34] | wagnerrp: | im just guessing that at 80MB/s, its pretty much running at disk speed |
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| [04:40:03] | kormoc: | I'm 20% into it, average is 82 MB/sec, peak is 87 MB/S, floor is 78 MB/sec |
| [04:41:38] | wagnerrp: | im a bit disappointed that theres no amount of parallelism on the rebuild/resize/initialize processes |
| [04:41:40] | kormoc: | I just wonder at the people who claim it takes days/weeks |
| [04:41:51] | kormoc: | ooh? How would you? |
| [04:42:11] | wagnerrp: | well a rebuild, youre only writing to one drive, so theres not much you can do |
| [04:42:26] | wagnerrp: | but initialization is inherently parallel, youre just writing zeros to everything |
| [04:42:54] | kormoc: | I would imagine that it is parallel (as much as the level would allow) |
| [04:43:35] | kormoc: | raid-0, you're limited to disk speed, really, raid-1, same, raid 5, same (parity writing isn't zeros), same with 6, |
| [04:43:35] | wagnerrp: | and when youre expanding, once you get a bit into it, youll have a sizable gap between where youre reading from and writing to, you could run multiple threads within that gap |
| [04:44:15] | wagnerrp: | of course that would not be a simple matter to track all of those operations |
| [04:44:28] | kormoc: | I think that'd be dangerous, as a crash during that could leave things... interesting... |
| [04:44:40] | Hilikus: | i understand mythtv can be user as a upnp server, is this correct? |
| [04:44:49] | kormoc: | yes |
| [04:44:51] | wagnerrp: | the backend, yes |
| [04:45:07] | wagnerrp: | once you change your backend IP to a real ip (as you just did), it should 'just work' |
| [04:45:23] | wagnerrp: | and if it doesnt, theres not a whole lot you can do about it |
| [04:45:29] | Hilikus: | if i were to do this to allow external access, what port would i need to open? the same port the backend uses to talk to the frontend or some standard upnp port? |
| [04:45:41] | kormoc: | external access meaing? |
| [04:45:42] | wagnerrp: | aside from writing a device specific patch |
| [04:45:43] | kormoc: | *meaning? |
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| [04:45:45] | Hilikus: | WAN |
| [04:45:45] | wagnerrp: | internet access? |
| [04:45:50] | Hilikus: | yes |
| [04:45:52] | kormoc: | Hilikus, UPnP Doesn't work over WAN |
| [04:45:53] | Hilikus: | internet |
| [04:46:00] | kormoc: | that'd be... aweful... |
| [04:46:08] | Hilikus: | oh really?? |
| [04:46:15] | wagnerrp: | it uses broadcast packets for discovery... not something that will work over the internet |
| [04:46:24] | Hilikus: | i just want to have access to my music from the outside |
| [04:46:27] | wagnerrp: | you *can* set up a remote frontend over the internet |
| [04:46:33] | kormoc: | Hilikus, UPnP does discovery by asking every device on the network what it is, that's a lot of devices on the WAN |
| [04:46:48] | Hilikus: | kormoc: i see. i diodnt know that |
| [04:46:53] | wagnerrp: | if you just want music, mythweb has an interface for that |
| [04:47:52] | Hilikus: | i wanted to use something that would talk to a real media player.i already have ampache so i can already do everything from a web interface but i was wondering if i could manage everything, sstart stop, playlists etc from a media player |
| [04:48:31] | Hilikus: | kinda like having an external samba share, but i don't want to open my samba to the world |
| [04:49:11] | kormoc: | Setup a vpn? |
| [04:50:35] | Hilikus: | i guess if theres no way to access my music collection using a real media player i'll just continue using the web interface. i just thought i could use mythtvs upnp to do that but now i know better |
| [04:51:35] | Hilikus: | thanks a lot guys |
| [04:53:20] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: the interface in mythweb gives you a playlist file which you should be able to play in any worthwhile media player |
| [04:53:34] | wagnerrp: | and then it streams the individual mp3s off the server |
| [04:53:51] | wagnerrp: | ideally using something other than a Real product |
| [04:53:58] | Hilikus: | yea, that exactly what ampache does, but im having some problems opening m3us with rythmbox or banshee |
| [04:54:14] | wagnerrp: | alternatively, if youre using a system that supports FUSE, you can check out sshfs |
| [04:54:53] | Hilikus: | and i also wanted to avoid having to go to the webpage using a browser and all that. i wanted to make it as if the data was local |
| [04:54:54] | wagnerrp: | oh, 'a real media player', not 'realplayer'... |
| [04:55:07] | Hilikus: | hehe yea, i hate realplayer |
| [04:56:08] | wagnerrp: | well theres nothing stopping you from storing those playlists and loading them at your leisure |
| [05:02:25] | Hilikus: | they expire |
| [05:02:44] | wagnerrp: | how would they expire? |
| [05:03:01] | Hilikus: | the server won't stream them if theyre old |
| [05:03:15] | wagnerrp: | they should be fine so long as you havent moved the music |
| [05:08:21] | Hilikus: | going back to mythtv. how come when i go to utilities/setup i only have setup in the following menu in my new frontend but iin the old one i have key bindings and other things |
| [05:09:00] | wagnerrp: | plugins most likely |
| [05:09:09] | Hilikus: | key bindings is a plugin?? |
| [05:09:17] | kormoc: | yes, mythcontrols |
| [05:09:21] | Hilikus: | wow |
| [05:09:28] | Hilikus: | ok, sorry then |
| [05:09:30] | kormoc: | or just use mythweb |
| [05:09:50] | Hilikus: | so wait, key bindings are not in the frontend?? |
| [05:10:10] | kormoc: | you can edit them via mythcontrols or via mythweb, but yes, they are for the frontend |
| [05:10:37] | Hilikus: | if i edit them from mythweb which frontend will get affected since i have 2 frontends now |
| [05:10:49] | kormoc: | you select which one from the dropdown menu |
| [05:12:45] | Hilikus: | wow, i didnt know the backend was aware of the individual frontends |
| [05:12:56] | Hilikus: | thanks kormoc |
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| [05:14:02] | wagnerrp: | thats what i wanted to ask.... how do you detect the frontends with accessible socket interfaces? |
| [05:14:57] | kormoc: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . Frontend.php |
| [05:15:16] | kormoc: | So we query the database for all the frontends with NetworkControlEnabled set to 1 |
| [05:15:34] | kormoc: | then we connect to it and query it's location |
| [05:15:43] | kormoc: | if it returns anything other then OFFLINE, we consider it up and good |
| [05:16:14] | kormoc: | If the connection fails, we consider it offline as well |
| [05:16:15] | wagnerrp: | ok, thanks |
| [05:16:42] | wagnerrp: | going to add something similar into the python bindings |
| [05:17:12] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [05:17:25] | kormoc: | the connection we do is a bit more complicated, and you'll want to emulate it for the bindings |
| [05:17:40] | kormoc: | when we connect, we read the first response and make sure it's a # |
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| [05:17:59] | kormoc: | that's a good signature (for now) that it's a mythfrontend rather then any other service |
| [05:19:00] | wagnerrp: | ok |
| [05:19:18] | wagnerrp: | i know theres a big header block that gets printed out on connect |
| [05:19:24] | wagnerrp: | but you expect that not to stay constant? |
| [05:20:12] | kormoc: | I was hoping to not have to count on it, some random folks were doing strange stuff and took a few hours to track down they were attemtping to use mythweb on non-frontends, so I added that check for the # to try to lock it down a bit more |
| [05:20:24] | kormoc: | I would hope that's enough, but ya never know... |
| [05:20:36] | wagnerrp: | fair enough |
| [05:20:53] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, ooh! You really need to follow the disconnect style I'm doing in there, in 0.21-fixes, if you don't, you can cause the frontend to segfault |
| [05:21:14] | wagnerrp: | heh... good bit of information there |
| [05:21:27] | wagnerrp: | exactly the reason to be putting this stuff into the bindings |
| [05:21:48] | wagnerrp: | if you have to do something special, why doesnt 'nc' cause widespread failures? |
| [05:22:30] | kormoc: | it might have been fixed sense then, it's been awhile, but it's the second connect from the same host/ip would cause it to try to re-use a unclean file handle |
| [05:22:57] | wagnerrp: | while sending an 'exit' tells it to close cleanly |
| [05:23:07] | kormoc: | right |
| [05:23:13] | kormoc: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5941 |
| [05:24:13] | wagnerrp: | seems its been fixed, but its always good to close things down rather than abruptly cut them off |
| [05:24:33] | kormoc: | It was fixed in trunk according to that ticket, no mention of 0.21-fixes |
| [05:24:42] | kormoc: | but yeah, just caused a bit of grief |
| [05:25:15] | wagnerrp: | well the patches im doing only work in trunk at the moment, the backend queries have changed a bit since 0.21 |
| [05:25:27] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
| [05:25:50] | kormoc: | I wish I had more time to spiffy up mythweb before release, oh well |
| [05:27:15] | xris: | kormoc: like putting flowplayer in or whatever it's called? |
| [05:28:06] | wagnerrp: | shame the HTML5 stuff seems to have stalled |
| [05:29:01] | wagnerrp: | 'we have to use theora because of patents'... 'we cant use theora because of patents'... 'well your mother smells of elderberries' |
| [05:32:35] | Hilikus: | ok, another question |
| [05:32:37] | jblack: | Thought theora didn't have patents? |
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| [05:33:20] | wagnerrp: | jblack: apple was complaining that there might be material in the spec covered under unpublicised patents |
| [05:33:24] | Hilikus: | how come in my new frontend if i press esc while watching tv it goes back to the list of recordings but in my old frontend it doesn't? both have ESC only bound to the escape function |
| [05:34:01] | wagnerrp: | if you press 'esc' in livetv, it should drop you back to the main menu |
| [05:34:06] | jblack: | "might be", as in "the sun might explode" ? |
| [05:34:44] | wagnerrp: | jblack: apple's real complaint was that they cant make any money from their own patents if theora is used over h.264 |
| [05:35:02] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: it doesnt on my old frontend |
| [05:35:09] | Hilikus: | it does on my new one |
| [05:35:13] | wagnerrp: | although the more meaningful argument is that there is no hardware acceleration for theora |
| [05:35:25] | superdump: | they have invested time and money into h.264 as well |
| [05:35:30] | superdump: | and everything's using h.264 |
| [05:35:49] | wagnerrp: | Hilikus: the 'list of recordings' or the EPG? |
| [05:35:58] | superdump: | dvb, blu ray, web, hardware... |
| [05:36:03] | Hilikus: | list of recordings |
| [05:36:26] | wagnerrp: | it should have never dumped you to the list of recordings |
| [05:36:34] | Hilikus: | no wait |
| [05:36:37] | Hilikus: | sorry |
| [05:36:41] | Hilikus: | not from live tv |
| [05:36:45] | Hilikus: | from a recording |
| [05:37:00] | wagnerrp: | hitting escape from a recording should take you back to the list |
| [05:37:23] | Hilikus: | if im watching a recording and i press esc while the OSD is on, it clears the OSD, after the second esc it goes back to the list of recordings. this is in my new one |
| [05:37:34] | wagnerrp: | the only reason it wouldnt is if your lirc inputs are messed up (lack of repeat timeouts) and mythtv is receiving several escape keypresses |
| [05:37:38] | Hilikus: | in the old one the first one clears the OSD but the second one does nothing |
| [05:38:43] | kormoc: | that's very strange... |
| [05:38:47] | kormoc: | xris, yes |
| [05:40:05] | Hilikus: | wagnerrp: well esc in the menu does the same thing in both |
| [05:40:18] | Hilikus: | so it's not completely screwed up |
| [05:40:29] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i dont know why escape would have not exited |
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| [05:40:51] | Hilikus: | btw this is all using the keyboards, i'm not using remote controls |
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| [05:42:03] | kormoc: | hrm |
| [05:42:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hilikus: That's normal behaviour – not sure why it didn't work that way with your 'old' system... |
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| [05:43:03] | kormoc: | while I wish this was true, I doubt it... http://pastebin.ca/1482684 |
| [05:43:06] | kormoc: | I wonder what that means... |
| [05:44:09] | Hilikus: | could it be because my old system is an update from many versions back while the new one is a clean install from yesterday? |
| [05:44:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Do you have a new 2TB USB disk drive? |
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| [05:45:31] | kormoc: | Nope! That's a 500 gb drive |
| [05:45:45] | wagnerrp: | its a 2TB now... magic! |
| [05:45:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: hehehehehe! ;-) 4:1 compression? ;-) |
| [05:46:06] | kormoc: | It also is unwritable! |
| [05:46:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | DOH! |
| [05:46:38] | kormoc: | Two more drives to RMA |
| [05:46:52] | kormoc: | I'm starting to think that I have the touch of death with drives these days |
| [05:48:15] | wagnerrp: | i was a bit worried last night |
| [05:48:35] | wagnerrp: | rebooted my file server, only to have one of my 750s not get recognized by the controller |
| [05:49:15] | wagnerrp: | and by default, the controller is set to hang at the add-on bios for further instruction |
| [05:49:38] | wagnerrp: | it wont boot into a degraded state automatically |
| [05:49:53] | wagnerrp: | whatever the problem, powering down the system for a few seconds fixed it |
| [05:50:20] | wagnerrp: | although now i dont know what to do with that drive |
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| [05:50:27] | wagnerrp: | leave it in the array, or get it replaced |
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| [05:53:22] | kormoc: | check smart on it? |
| [05:54:29] | kormoc: | You know what I want, I want multi-color sata cables, I'm getting tired of not knowing which drive is which |
| [05:54:38] | wagnerrp: | its all well above the set thresholds |
| [05:54:53] | wagnerrp: | but i havent been tracking it to spot trends |
| [05:55:01] | kormoc: | I'd likely leave it in the array until the array pops it rather then a on-boot issue |
| [05:55:21] | xris: | kormoc: you didn't take a pile of red/grey/blue from simech's recycle bins before you left? |
| [05:55:24] | wagnerrp: | yeah, its raid6, so im not too concerned about dropping one drive |
| [05:55:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: I numbered mine on both ends with a sharpie... ;-) (sata cables) |
| [05:55:50] | wagnerrp: | yeah, weve got stacks of the things piled in boxes at work |
| [05:55:51] | kormoc: | xris, yeah, but they're all gone to others who asked for them |
| [05:56:04] | kormoc: | that and I'd need at least 6 colors |
| [05:56:14] | wagnerrp: | i could take a hundred, and no one would notice |
| [05:56:16] | kormoc: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah, I don't want to try to read numbers or what not, |
| [05:56:20] | wagnerrp: | or really care for that matter |
| [05:56:29] | wagnerrp: | spraypaint? |
| [05:56:33] | kormoc: | heh |
| [05:56:38] | kormoc: | that might work |
| [05:56:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Color sharpies!!!! |
| [05:56:54] | xris: | wagnerrp: we had a 5x5x4 foot bin full of cables to be recycled |
| [05:56:58] | ** xris still misses working there ** | |
| [05:57:30] | wagnerrp: | thats quite a bit more than us |
| [05:57:35] | kormoc: | Heh, what I really 'need' is a nice hot-swap bay style storage node |
| [05:57:45] | xris: | heh |
| [05:57:59] | xris: | wagnerrp: simech builds rackmount machines. all of the pieces seem to come with extra cables. |
| [05:58:17] | wagnerrp: | weve got about 15 computer boxes filled with drive cables, maybe 2x1.5x0.5 each |
| [05:58:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, we just got retail consume boards, each with their full allotment of serial and parallel cables |
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| [05:59:34] | kormoc: | xris, were you after 500 gb satas? |
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| [06:02:28] | Hilikus: | ok i just rebound the key to ESC and it fixed it |
| [06:03:18] | Hilikus: | weird |
| [06:05:03] | xris: | kormoc: ? apparently so. but maybe not. not sure where I got the 2 that are in my mythbox |
| [06:05:11] | xris: | newegg or ken.... |
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| [06:06:07] | kormoc: | I might have two to sell off soonish |
| [06:06:45] | xris: | I'm waiting for newegg to get the 1.5T drives down around $100 |
| [06:07:04] | xris: | 1T drives are already occasionally at $80... but would rather have 1.5 drives for $100–125 |
| [06:07:09] | wagnerrp: | xris: dell had some thing a while back where they had two for $200 |
| [06:07:17] | xris: | wagnerrp: not WD |
| [06:07:28] | xris: | should have prefaced that. heh. |
| [06:07:33] | wagnerrp: | ah, no |
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| [06:07:39] | xris: | I've given up trusting seagate for now. |
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| [06:08:57] | xris: | but.. I keep spending money on other things.... and with a kid on the way for december, I'm sure I'll have a LOT of other expenses.. so I can wait on drives. |
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| [06:10:43] | xris: | anyway, I think it's time for me to crash.. I don't even have to go to work tomorrow, yay! |
| [06:10:50] | kormoc: | I do! |
| [06:10:59] | wagnerrp: | crash at 11pm? |
| [06:11:27] | kormoc: | I was gonna crash at 9, but I rather baby-sit the drive rebuild rather then sleep for some sick reason |
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| [06:19:37] | jblack: | You guys remember asteroids? As in little ship blowing up rocks in space, back from the 70s? |
| [06:19:46] | kormoc: | yup |
| [06:19:50] | jblack: | They're gonna make a movie from it. |
| [06:19:53] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt it be great if they made that a movie? |
| [06:19:58] | wagnerrp: | bah... beat me to it |
| [06:20:05] | kormoc: | it worked in futurama |
| [06:20:29] | jblack: | Fine. I'll find newer news. |
| [06:20:31] | wagnerrp: | well so did vacuum tubes and bodyless heads |
| [06:20:38] | kormoc: | True |
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| [06:22:44] | jblack: | nah. Ther'es nothing else really new going on. |
| [06:25:46] | kormoc: | Karl Malden died |
| [06:28:44] | wagnerrp: | i only ever saw him in Patton |
| [06:29:00] | jblack: | Yeah. A lot of people dying lately. |
| [06:29:39] | jblack: | Also, a lot of broke people too. I'm seeing a lot more low-rated disabled at the va lately. |
| [06:29:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah... he was only 97, must be part of some weird celebrity curse |
| [06:29:53] | jblack: | Yeah. 1910, right/ |
| [06:30:01] | wagnerrp: | 12 |
| [06:30:38] | wagnerrp: | he wrecked his Harley driving across New Mexico |
| [06:31:00] | jblack: | Ed Mchmahan(sp) died too. |
| [06:33:00] | kormoc: | I need to snooze |
| [06:33:04] | ** kormoc waves ** | |
| [06:33:21] | wagnerrp: | night |
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| [06:33:49] | jblack: | wagnerrp: Tell a funny story! |
| [06:34:21] | wagnerrp: | my cousin was on this plane once flying through a storm |
| [06:34:41] | wagnerrp: | when all of the sudden, all the hydraulics cut out |
| [06:34:54] | wagnerrp: | the plane started nosing down towards the ground |
| [06:35:25] | wagnerrp: | so he figures the end is near, he whips it out right there and starts jerking it |
| [06:35:51] | jblack: | heh |
| [06:36:10] | jblack: | were you with him? |
| [06:36:12] | wagnerrp: | well all of the other passengers took his cue, so you have this entire plane of people rubbing off, plummeting to their deaths |
| [06:36:49] | wagnerrp: | suddenly, the power returns, lights kick on, hydraulics power back up, and the plane rights itself |
| [06:37:05] | wagnerrp: | everyone puts their respective pieces away, the plane lands, and no one ever says a word |
| [06:37:15] | jblack: | you're shitting me |
| [06:38:00] | jblack: | I could almost believe it. =) |
| [06:40:48] | wagnerrp: | man... you need to watch more movies |
| [06:41:08] | wagnerrp: | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0113749/quotes#qt0342006 |
| [06:42:01] | jblack: | lol |
| [06:42:09] | jblack: | I have that movie. =) |
| [06:42:27] | wagnerrp: | and you didnt recognize that? |
| [06:43:16] | jblack: | I haven't seen it in forever. |
| [06:43:31] | wagnerrp: | terrible... |
| [06:44:01] | jblack: | I've had brain surgery twice since that thing came out. Cut me a break! |
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| [06:44:37] | wagnerrp: | next youre going to say it screwed up your vision and you can no longer see the sailboat |
| [06:47:08] | jblack: | I cannot see the sailboat. |
| [06:47:19] | jblack: | which coast? |
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| [08:07:23] | anykey__: | juski: did you make any progress about the variable button width thing? |
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| [08:09:40] | juski: | anykey__: a little. gbee had a look at my hack & effectively told me what it was doing – setting the parent to the size of the children – so when I sort that out I think it'll be good |
| [08:09:55] | juski: | then just a matter of sorting out the positioning code :) |
| [08:10:21] | Saviq: | guys I'm trying to build 0.21-fixes with backported vdpau patches, I'm getting "undefined reference to `latm_parser'", any idea where that comes from? |
| [08:11:36] | juski: | anykey__: assuming I can get some time to myself today I'll be digging away at it ;-) |
| [08:11:54] | juski: | and then maybe you'll be able to make progress on your ace theme |
| [08:12:05] | anykey__: | juski: would be very cool. I'm ready to theme ;) |
| [08:12:06] | JYA: | Saviq: you probably applied another patch (latm-aac support) , removed it and forgot to do a makedistclean... |
| [08:12:09] | juski: | maybe I will too :D |
| [08:12:35] | Saviq: | JYA: it's a clean build |
| [08:13:19] | JYA: | obviously isn't... latm_parser is only defined in the LATM/AAC patch |
| [08:13:33] | Saviq: | JYA: clean as in no previous builds |
| [08:13:38] | Dibblah: | Saviq: Where are you getting the source from? |
| [08:13:41] | JYA: | there are no reference to it in the vdpau code |
| [08:14:01] | Saviq: | Dibblah: jmd-gentoo ebuilds |
| [08:14:20] | Dibblah: | Right. Well, I would suggest asking the Gentoo ebuild maintainer. |
| [08:14:32] | JYA: | Saviq: if you have applied the latm/aac patch, you must run configure with --enable-libfaad |
| [08:14:42] | juski: | IIRC there are patched ebuilds already |
| [08:15:01] | juski: | think I remember reading about them somewhere |
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| [08:15:03] | Dibblah: | JYA: The issue is that the ebuild pretty much sets the configure flags. |
| [08:15:04] | JYA: | otherwise latm won't compile and you will get that error, I've been asked before |
| [08:15:20] | Dibblah: | So it's up to the maintainer to fix, properly. |
| [08:15:22] | Saviq: | ok that may be it, let me see |
| [08:15:44] | juski: | you could a) hack the ebuild script or b) ignore ebuilds & just build it yourself |
| [08:15:50] | JYA: | Dibblah: they obviously applied a patch and didn't set the configure option properly. Though I know that LATM patch, it doesn't add any dependency in configure... |
| [08:17:38] | Dibblah: | JYA: Are you maintaining any out-of-tree head patches that aren't in Trac? |
| [08:18:15] | JYA: | no, I've put all my patches in trac... |
| [08:18:18] | Dibblah: | :) |
| [08:18:59] | ** Dibblah needs to make some time for ticket triage again :( ** | |
| [08:19:19] | JYA: | though, I've adapted some patches found in trac, to compile with vdpau .. those aren't in trac ... |
| [08:19:35] | JYA: | was asked not to submit anything for the backport |
| [08:19:57] | JYA: | yeah, the backlog in track is huge |
| [08:21:43] | Dibblah: | Please don't. |
| [08:21:52] | Dibblah: | ;) |
| [08:22:50] | Saviq: | JYA: yeah the ebuild only set the faad configure option when aac was enabled and applied the patch regardless |
| [08:23:48] | JYA: | there's obviously a bug in the ebuild ... the LAAC patch will only compile with libfaad active |
| [08:24:23] | Saviq: | yup |
| [08:27:02] | deaman: | Does mythbuntu 9.04 work out of the box for people in NZ and Norway ? |
| [08:27:10] | deaman: | I have already asked in #ubuntu-mythtv but it's pretty quiet, and I think someone here could answer it very easy. I think it needs the latm/aac patch you are talking about now. I have no sound and wonder if it is configuration or if I need to build. I found this, http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/347267 but am still uncertain. |
| [08:28:05] | JYA: | deaman: no it won't. it requires LATM/AAC support, which isn't even in trunk |
| [08:28:41] | JYA: | looks like the new channels in Hungary, also requires LATM/AAC |
| [08:29:08] | deaman: | JYA: thanks. |
| [08:29:23] | JYA: | I only know of two distribution for Ubuntu with LATM support, the one from the author of the LATM/AAC , and mine. |
| [08:29:42] | JYA: | The author hasn't updated his repository in quite a while (last was in November 08) |
| [08:30:15] | JYA: | he's working on getting his mods integrated in ffmpeg, when this happens, it will be in trunk |
| [08:31:23] | juski: | heheheh my wife's work are trialling a 64 bit install on her desktop today. Not that it'll make any odds – it's all done on VMs anyway |
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| [08:33:01] | Dibblah: | Depends what she does. |
| [08:33:14] | juski: | office admin |
| [08:33:27] | juski: | and it's going 64-bit at their end, not her desktop machine |
| [08:33:46] | juski: | sounds like money for old rope to me |
| [08:33:54] | Dibblah: | Oh. All the jobs noone else feels like doing, then. |
| [08:34:58] | juski: | in her case, booking travel/accomodation for all & sundry, formatting financial reports, yada yada. |
| [08:35:19] | juski: | they use lotus notes a little too much in that company |
| [08:36:11] | juski: | ah lotus notes.. I remember having to use that in my last job. SHUDDER |
| [08:36:29] | juski: | that was also in a virtualised environment come to think... bloody horrible it was |
| [08:37:08] | juski: | had the advantage you could log in on any machine & have access to all your stuff but the network wasn't up to it |
| [08:39:32] | juski: | or was it roaming profiles? might've been the latter come to think about it. not much fun on dialup :D |
| [08:40:19] | ** psm321 wonders why beirdobot log for yesterday only goes to 5am ** | |
| [08:41:07] | juski: | maybe he fell asleep |
| [08:41:27] | juski: | the logs are seldom interesting anyway |
| [08:41:50] | juski: | noticed whoever was logging #mythtv stopped a while ago |
| [08:42:27] | psm321: | juski: actually i was trying to find out if pizzledizzle ever ended up actually listening |
| [08:42:42] | psm321: | my client doesnt keep enough backlog |
| [08:43:13] | juski: | psm321: I suspect not |
| [08:43:35] | juski: | a clue is in the nick ;) |
| [08:43:49] | AndyCap: | wtf? is it April 1st again? http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_d . . . de4e28ef8e67 Asteroids the movie? |
| [08:43:54] | juski: | fizzle the nizzle |
| [08:44:08] | juski: | AndyCap: apparently Universal won a bidding war for it |
| [08:44:23] | juski: | at least the CGI will come cheap :D |
| [08:44:36] | juski: | plot could be a tad on the thin side, that's my worry |
| [08:44:47] | AndyCap: | slightly thin. |
| [08:44:55] | juski: | but that will separate it from Transformers et al how? ;-) |
| [08:45:08] | AndyCap: | harr harr. :) |
| [08:47:33] | deaman: | Tetris the movie anyone ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE_1KlWFJyA |
| [08:49:07] | AndyCap: | hehe |
| [08:52:25] | juski: | <deep voiceover> (black screen) "This summer, a movie which will break all reckuds...." A small white square blob zooms past & makes contact with a white rectangle. A loud high pitched beep emanates from the center speaker... |
| [08:52:36] | juski: | PONG – the movie! |
| [08:52:57] | sid3windr: | pablo francisco deep voice ftw |
| [08:53:16] | sid3windr: | HE was trying to sell tortillas on the corner.. but THEY wanted IN |
| [08:53:21] | juski: | lol |
| [08:57:27] | juski: | THE voiceover guy died a wee while ago didn't he? Wonder if that opened the door for zillions of soundeylikeys |
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| [08:58:42] | AndyCap: | Hmm, I don't think so but not sure |
| [08:58:46] | AndyCap: | what was his name again |
| [08:58:50] | AndyCap: | Don Lafontaine or somethign |
| [08:59:12] | AndyCap: | oh, yeah, died last fall |
| [09:01:57] | sid3windr: | yea |
| [09:02:07] | sid3windr: | but the trailers still have the voice |
| [09:02:12] | sid3windr: | so I guess others caught up |
| [09:02:20] | sid3windr: | ONE MAN |
| [09:02:22] | sid3windr: | ONE DESIRE |
| [09:02:44] | juski: | bip! |
| [09:02:47] | juski: | boop! |
| [09:03:56] | sid3windr: | boob...? |
| [09:04:24] | AndyCap: | In a world filled with gigantic rocks. One ship dared to stand up to them. |
| [09:05:15] | juski: | still stuck on Pong! the movie here |
| [09:05:47] | Huijari: | sid3windr: yeah, maybe it's pablo francisco nowadays ;D |
| [09:06:25] | AndyCap: | juski: starring Simona Halep? |
| [09:06:41] | juski: | ruh? |
| [09:06:44] | ** juski googles ** | |
| [09:07:12] | juski: | ah |
| [09:07:28] | juski: | :-O |
| [09:08:39] | juski: | won't please the diehard fans though, they'll be expecting a black raster with white rectangular shapes |
| [09:08:47] | juski: | or Bruce Willis |
| [09:08:48] | sid3windr: | lsl1-style |
| [09:09:12] | sid3windr: | So you want to play Pong? What's the password? |
| [09:09:14] | sid3windr: | KEN SENT ME |
| [09:09:43] | juski: | reminds me, they're redoing/have re-done Tron |
| [09:10:21] | AndyCap: | And I will be very disappointed if there is any sort of raster graphics in Asteroids |
| [09:10:52] | juski: | new vector projection tech with 'l-a-z-e-r-s' |
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| [09:42:07] | Saviq: | guys, another build problem – what's this http://pastebin.ca/1482856 about? |
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| [09:43:30] | Saviq: | the code in question is "const uint8_t * restrict p" |
| [09:43:52] | Saviq: | it's an argument to ff_find_start_code |
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| [09:44:41] | cposada: | anyone home? |
| [09:44:51] | cposada: | Having an issue with ffmpeg |
| [09:45:04] | cposada: | Can't seem to find the offending trell+loop line |
| [09:45:35] | cposada: | already looked in /usr/local/share/nuvexport/export/ffmpeg |
| [09:45:44] | cposada: | the XviD.pm file |
| [09:46:20] | JYA: | Saviq: you didn't past enough information to identify where the problem is, missing the interesting lines above what you pasted |
| [09:47:58] | Saviq: | JYA: I'll paste the full buildlog then |
| [09:48:49] | JYA: | I don't know why you bother with your build, it's obvious the ebuild config is broken to start with, you'd be better off building it all by yourself ... what a waste of time you're doing |
| [09:49:44] | cposada: | Thanks for IMMEFDIATELY being a cynic |
| [09:49:49] | Saviq: | JYA: http://paste2.org/p/300398 |
| [09:49:57] | cposada: | What is wrong with this build and how can I fix it. |
| [09:50:19] | Saviq: | JYA: yeah except I have three machines I want it on and a working ebuild will make me a nice binary package to distribute |
| [09:50:25] | JYA: | my post was in response to Saviq |
| [09:50:39] | JYA: | well, use another ebuild, there are plenty out there |
| [09:50:51] | JYA: | rather than working from one that doesn't compile to start with |
| [09:50:56] | sid3windr: | yawn yawn yawn |
| [09:51:18] | cposada: | sorry |
| [09:51:19] | psm321: | hmm, i've only used the gentoo ebuild once but didnt have any problems with it |
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| [09:53:07] | psm321: | Saviq: do you have any other machines in your distcc config than the one its failing to contact? if so i'd turn it off.. distcc has always been problematic for me |
| [09:53:40] | Saviq: | psm321: yeah that may be, but it then tried compiling locally and failed |
| [09:53:46] | Saviq: | I'll try, though |
| [09:53:52] | JYA: | Saviq: where did you get this ebuild from ? |
| [09:54:24] | Saviq: | JYA: http://wiki.github.com/drescherjm/jmdgentoooverlay |
| [09:54:50] | psm321: | i didnt realize google indexed things so quickly |
| [09:54:59] | psm321: | your first pastebin is already in there :) |
| [09:55:12] | psm321: | Saviq: what's wrong with the portage ebuild? |
| [09:55:19] | JYA: | the ebuild is trying to build libswscale with 0.21-fixes ! what the ... |
| [09:55:34] | JYA: | search the mythtv userlist |
| [09:55:36] | Saviq: | psm321: it doesn't have vdpau backported |
| [09:55:39] | Saviq: | JYA: ok |
| [09:56:08] | psm321: | also try without distcc |
| [09:57:22] | JYA: | there's an ebuild made by John Dresher, people have reported good success with it |
| [09:57:58] | JYA: | bha but that's his :) |
| [09:58:37] | JYA: | you're better off contacting him directly... |
| [09:58:55] | psm321: | it would help to see one of the files that it's actually failing on |
| [09:59:03] | psm321: | like mythvideo.c |
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| [10:00:52] | Saviq: | psm321: just a sec |
| [10:12:27] | psm321: | well, i should sleep |
| [10:12:29] | psm321: | good luck |
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| [10:13:31] | henkpoley: | What is the status of 0.22 ? Is it usable at the moment? |
| [10:13:38] | laga: | there is no 0.22 |
| [10:13:40] | juski: | build it & find out |
| [10:13:50] | juski: | s/it/trunk |
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| [10:14:12] | juski: | YMMV depending on what was checked in just before you checked it out yourself ;) |
| [10:14:19] | henkpoley: | I'm bumping into this: http://mythtv.org/wiki/Channel_tuning_broken_with_DVB-C |
| [10:14:31] | henkpoley: | I am aware of development processes |
| [10:14:32] | juski: | broken providers suck |
| [10:14:52] | henkpoley: | Well.. try to move an elephant when you are but a mouse :P |
| [10:15:20] | henkpoley: | AFAIK all european DVB-C providers use this "broken" system, I bet it works for them |
| [10:15:36] | laga: | i think my provider works fine, thank you |
| [10:15:38] | henkpoley: | My official box (I was fed up with mythtv) tunes just fine |
| [10:15:49] | henkpoley: | Where are you laga ? |
| [10:15:51] | juski: | they should try adhering to DVB standards |
| [10:16:01] | juski: | might cost them less in software development costs long-term ;) |
| [10:16:08] | henkpoley: | Could we skip the should part .. |
| [10:16:24] | henkpoley: | I know some people who are bugging them about that already |
| [10:16:40] | laga: | henkpoley: using kabel BW. kabel deutschland before that |
| [10:17:03] | juski: | I'd have thought, what with them all being lazy bastards & all – that it'd have been easier just to stick to the spec |
| [10:17:21] | henkpoley: | Anyways, my 'officially supported' PVR has trouble with recording (it decided to record 24 hours non-stop, 3x already the past 11 days) |
| [10:17:29] | juski: | oh wait- if that were the case then you could just get any ole box & put it on the cable |
| [10:17:37] | henkpoley: | So I'd like to get mythtv up an running |
| [10:18:04] | henkpoley: | Is this the place to get help with that when I bump into any problems? |
| [10:18:19] | henkpoley: | Or just to discuss things I can not change at the moment |
| [10:18:44] | juski: | Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel" |
| [10:18:51] | henkpoley: | I'd also gladly pay some people ~300 euro to fix the NIT scanner, so it would work for MythTV just like to "official" decoders |
| [10:18:59] | juski: | "people with clues are welcome here" |
| [10:19:27] | juski: | henkpoley: myth already has several workarounds in place – surely it's just a case of adding some more |
| [10:19:43] | juski: | only in cases where it's legally dubious would you be unlikely to get code included in mythtv |
| [10:19:53] | juski: | e.g.where you'd be breaking provider T&Cs |
| [10:20:44] | henkpoley: | That's not the case, Ziggo is fine with AlphaCrypt or whatever official Irdeto CAM and DVB-C receiver you use. |
| [10:20:44] | juski: | *which is why no workaround for Virgin Media in the UK has been included so far AFAIK |
| [10:21:29] | juski: | then it'll just be a case of waiting for a developer to catch up with all the tickets,if patches have been attached to tickets already |
| [10:22:07] | henkpoley: | My problem should be partially patched in 0.22 – since ticket http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/3640 is closed |
| [10:22:39] | henkpoley: | I do believe the "Although all correct values are shown, I had to enter the channelname manually, which by the way was a real pain because the keyboard was useless." issue is still there |
| [10:22:56] | henkpoley: | Though I haven't touched mythtv for a month when working on a thesis |
| [10:26:04] | ** juski hurries up his 3G dongle reflashing ** | |
| [10:27:24] | psm321: | and here i thought europe's situation was better than ours in the US :) |
| [10:28:05] | juski: | only slightly |
| [10:28:49] | juski: | our lot are even talking about implementing something worse than 5C & Cablecard |
| [10:29:47] | Saviq: | JYA, psm321: I think it was distcc caused the problems, seems to compile fine now |
| [10:30:47] | psm321: | :) |
| [10:30:51] | henkpoley: | Ziggo here wants to roll out CI+ |
| [10:31:22] | henkpoley: | Which means new DVB-C receiver and CI(plus) CAM |
| [10:33:50] | psm321: | at least you have CAMs |
| [10:36:54] | Saviq: | you guys in ATSC land have no way to get CAM into PC? |
| [10:39:32] | juski: | they have no way, no how, no sir |
| [10:39:48] | juski: | well other than cablecard,but that's so locked down you may aswell forget all about it |
| [10:40:48] | Saviq: | good they have the firewires at least |
| [10:40:54] | juski: | card reader locked to a PC BIOS, and only supported by MCE which of course obeys all the DRM flags in the streams – so if the provider flags content as 'no recording allowed' guess what? ;) |
| [10:41:07] | Saviq: | right |
| [10:41:12] | Saviq: | I like Europe |
| [10:41:49] | juski: | good food, not bad weather, not all that many people with their own guns.. life is good :) |
| [10:42:11] | psm321: | Saviq: firewire is generally encrypted |
| [10:42:53] | Saviq: | damn so how do you all use Myth at all? |
| [10:44:56] | psm321: | analog cable right now |
| [10:45:13] | psm321: | cable box with ir blaster or serial or firewire channel changing |
| [10:45:47] | juski: | not everything free to air is worthless ya know ;) |
| [10:46:00] | juski: | like, not everything you have to pay to get is worth having |
| [10:46:10] | psm321: | comcast has temporarily (hopefully long-term) put all the basic channels (standard def only) in clear QAM, in order to give out cheap equipment to mollify costumers when they drop analog |
| [10:46:29] | psm321: | but as soon as they get a cablecard waiver from the fcc, that'll be gone |
| [10:48:15] | Saviq: | juski: right, I got used to DVB-S where there's nothing worthwhile here |
| [10:48:48] | Saviq: | and we get DVB-T in 2010 at the soonest |
| [10:49:07] | Saviq: | nothing FTA worthwile, at least |
| [10:50:01] | psm321: | luckily we managed to dodge the broadcast flag bullet (i think, it's not still on the table is it?) |
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| [10:54:49] | Saviq: | juski: what about HDCP, can it be done with Myth? |
| [10:55:02] | juski: | nope |
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| [10:56:12] | juski: | it's not as if TVs require it to work yet |
| [10:56:54] | juski: | although from what I know of CI+, if there's no way to authenticate the data path from end to end it won't be allowed to work |
| [11:00:59] | psm321: | i think providers should have to pick: either get copyright protection, but have data openly available for fair use, or use as much technology as you want to protect the data, but no copyright so that if somebody cracks it they can do what they want |
| [11:01:24] | Saviq: | lol that would be fun |
| [11:01:42] | psm321: | kind of like how patents are supposed to help disclose the details of the invention so companies working on top-secret stuff will sometimes decide to forgo the patent in favor of obscuring things themselves |
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| [11:23:14] | juski: | if there was no piracy nobody would ever see the need for such defeatist encripplement IMHO |
| [11:23:59] | gbee: | fight DRM, fight the pirates! |
| [11:24:11] | juski: | although meeja companies still have a vested interest in controlling what/how/when we watch their crap |
| [11:24:38] | juski: | sometimes I suspect it's more about that than preventing piracy |
| [11:25:44] | juski: | hence companies like Sky patenting silly things like showing adverts while users skip adverts in recordings :-\ |
| [11:26:05] | ** AndyCap liked Philips' patent better ** | |
| [11:26:18] | AndyCap: | preventing channel change while showing ads. |
| [11:26:24] | juski: | heh. that'd be a win for us |
| [11:26:41] | juski: | putting a flag on all advertising :D |
| [11:26:46] | AndyCap: | epic. |
| [11:27:21] | AndyCap: | of course, it would be only days before there were tarpit channels on the air. :P showing ads 24/7 |
| [11:27:59] | juski: | until I visited my folks last weekend I'd not seen a TV ad since I last went to the cinema |
| [11:29:11] | juski: | and up to a certain point I wouldn't mind paying for ad free channels that have no onscreen junk ;) |
| [11:29:38] | AndyCap: | you must feel so left out. not knowing about the latest advances from Reckitt Benckiser et.al. |
| [11:30:19] | juski: | my parents still don't get it. every time we speak I get "have you seen the such & such advert?" |
| [11:32:01] | gbee: | amazing how many people are so brainwashed they actually enjoy watching adverts |
| [11:32:45] | juski: | every now & again a genuinely entertaining ad comes along |
| [11:33:01] | juski: | but those can be hunted down on youtube :D |
| [11:33:37] | ** juski wonders what MythTV's commflagger would make of 'Tarrant on TV' ** | |
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| [11:43:55] | juski: | whee 3G dongle unlocked. Now all I need is one of those free 'Three' sim cards & a £5 top-up |
| [11:59:05] | juski: | and now, time to hit some code with a hammer |
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| [12:31:38] | Dibblah: | I wouldn't mind just paying for programming directly and skipping all of these intermediaries that eat my money. |
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| [12:33:41] | juski: | something just occured to me..like why not just try & make the parent the same size as the text area straight away? |
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| [12:35:44] | juski: | ah. can't |
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| [12:45:35] | juski: | oo I think I might have fixed it a bit |
| [12:46:17] | juski: | now I need to fix the positioning code or I may never know |
| [12:48:35] | juski: | nah. still guff |
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| [13:13:26] | juski: | rahahaha. Now I see how I've gone wrong so badly |
| [13:14:39] | juski: | bloody idiot! (*it)->ExpandArea(m_Area) will set the size of *it to m_Area innit |
| [13:14:51] | oblib: | Hi. I just updated my svn build (First time in a while) and all my themes seem broken. I get "Unable to load window 'watchrecordings' from recordings-ui.xml" for example. |
| [13:15:14] | ** juski suggests sitting in the corner & sobbing quietly ** | |
| [13:15:32] | juski: | failing that, don't use a broken theme |
| [13:15:58] | juski: | *most if not all 3rd party themes are now broken thanks to trunk :) |
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| [13:17:25] | oblib: | Are the themes in trunk third party? I'm using Iulius |
| [13:17:35] | juski: | broken AFAIK |
| [13:17:51] | juski: | try Terra |
| [13:19:30] | oblib: | Is Terra on trunk? |
| [13:19:37] | juski: | yup |
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| [13:20:54] | oblib: | hmm, not my trunk |
| [13:26:46] | stuarta: | did you clean out your old install first? |
| [13:28:01] | juski: | hrm. seems like mythuitype.cpp is not the place to be doing what I'm trying to do here |
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| [13:28:49] | juski: | wibble |
| [13:30:12] | stuarta: | i see your wibble and raise you a fish! |
| [13:31:53] | oblib: | stuarta: No. Weird (and frustrating) thing is that the themes worked when I installed over my old installation. Then I blew away the themes directory and reinstalled myththemes and that's when it stopped working |
| [13:32:19] | juski: | oops |
| [13:32:32] | juski: | run make install again on trunk/mythtv |
| [13:33:10] | juski: | or just svn export trunk/mythtv/themes -C /usr/$whatever/mythtv/themes |
| [13:33:12] | juski: | think it's -C |
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| [13:35:27] | gbee: | umm, howcome uname is crippled with ubuntu? |
| [13:36:10] | juski: | how so? |
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| [13:36:26] | gbee: | doesn't return anything except 'Linux' |
| [13:36:35] | juski: | uname -a |
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| [13:36:36] | ** oblib smacks himself in the head ** | |
| [13:36:44] | gbee: | juski: aye, just 'linux' |
| [13:36:46] | oblib: | thanks juski, all better |
| [13:36:57] | juski: | gbee: works here but then I'm on fiesty |
| [13:37:04] | juski: | wonder what the laptop says |
| [13:37:16] | oblib: | gbee: uname -a works for me |
| [13:37:23] | juski: | hmm that works too |
| [13:37:25] | oblib: | what about uname -r |
| [13:37:42] | juski: | laptop is running Hardy |
| [13:37:53] | oblib: | I've got Ibex |
| [13:38:20] | oblib: | err, 08.10 |
| [13:41:28] | gbee: | uname -p, uname -r etc just return Unknown |
| [13:41:54] | gbee: | this would be whatever the last stable release of mythbuntu was |
| [13:43:15] | xand: | "uname" on its own should only return "Linux" |
| [13:43:27] | xand: | on solaris it only returns "SunOS" |
| [13:43:40] | xand: | oh, with -a. |
| [13:43:42] | xand: | shrug :D |
| [13:43:49] | xand: | doesn't normally do that on ubuntu |
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| [13:55:37] | sid3windr: | gbee: uh weird – I never had uname act weird on ubuntu |
| [13:55:43] | sid3windr: | it's one of the few stable things in the distro |
| [13:55:47] | sid3windr: | I guess not even that anymore :P |
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| [14:10:25] | mzb: | huh? uname does the same on all my boxes: jaunty, lenny, openwrt ... etc |
| [14:11:01] | mzb: | looks consistent to me |
| [14:13:29] | gbee: | working after a reboot, very weird, though it's not the only flakiness exhibited by that box which is why I was wanting the kernel version in the first place |
| [14:13:39] | gbee: | think the heat got to it :/ |
| [14:13:56] | stuarta: | oh well :( |
| [14:14:06] | stuarta: | offer it an icecream |
| [14:14:08] | gbee: | Nova-T 500 keeps dying |
| [14:14:26] | stuarta: | i'm just waiting for my video card to crap itself |
| [14:14:40] | stuarta: | i've had to disconnect the fan due to making horrible noises |
| [14:15:34] | stuarta: | the previous time this happened, i bought an aftermarket cooler, and i think my card was slightly different to the design the had built it too |
| [14:15:45] | mzb: | tick, tick ... boom! ;) |
| [14:15:48] | stuarta: | attempting to fit it i killed the card |
| [14:16:05] | stuarta: | "crack" is never a good thing to hear from a video card |
| [14:16:15] | mzb: | heh |
| [14:16:19] | oblib: | I've got a GeForce 6600 for sale if your interested... |
| [14:16:35] | stuarta: | luckily that machine doesn't get used that much |
| [14:16:43] | stuarta: | it's off most of the time |
| [14:18:56] | oblib: | So I still can't find the Terra theme. Where is it? |
| [14:19:25] | oblib: | nevermind. |
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| [14:24:02] | juski: | nah this can't be real.C++ GUIProgramming with Qt 4 on google books |
| [14:24:50] | stuarta: | anything is possible |
| [14:25:07] | gbee: | it will likely focus heavily on QT 4's own ui widgets so whether it's of any value ... |
| [14:25:15] | juski: | looks like it's almost all there if not all |
| [14:25:52] | juski: | correction: a fair chunk :) |
| [14:26:22] | juski: | gbee: wasn't looking for it as such,just happened upon it |
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| [14:56:15] | ddettman: | juski it's real, the first edition has been made free. |
| [14:57:46] | ddettman: | the big difference between it and the second edition is that the second edition has the new graphics stuff (introduced in Qt 4.2) the book is based on 4.1 |
| [14:59:07] | juski: | as gbee said,likely irrelevant to anyone wanting to code mythui stuff |
| [14:59:08] | sphery: | heh, so the first of the, "The build script is broken because it says I'm not using MMX and I know I am, even though I'm using cpu/arch/tune options incorrectly," comments is in... :) |
| [14:59:42] | juski: | speaking of which, I might go & bang my head against a brick wall for a while |
| [14:59:59] | stuarta: | it's already failed on the ubuntu autobuilder numerous hours ago... :) |
| [15:00:06] | sphery: | yeah... |
| [15:00:11] | juski: | pad the wall with c++ code of course |
| [15:00:12] | sphery: | that's the one |
| [15:00:36] | sphery: | At least this is one case where the use of cpu/arch/tune is actually not a bad user idea |
| [15:00:57] | sphery: | (i.e. those being something distro packagers should use--not end users) |
| [15:01:30] | sphery: | I've just been wondering how many of those comments we'll get. |
| [15:01:34] | juski: | gbee: now's the time where I admit I'm in way over my head. just can't get my head aroud this |
| [15:01:56] | sphery: | good though, as it prevents the problems we've had in the past where distros release the new versions without MMX because they didn't configure right |
| [15:03:31] | juski: | now I'm even doubting that the SetArea(area) bit in mythuitext.cpp is doing what it's meant to |
| [15:04:16] | juski: | certain creek with no paddle, here I come :) |
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| [15:19:36] | mchou: | wow... I was googling for some info, and the first link that comes up is: MythTV is a lot of work |
| [15:19:36] | mchou: | SnapStream Beyond TV is easy. |
| [15:19:36] | mchou: | Even detects and skips commercials! |
| [15:19:51] | mchou: | "Mythtv is a lot of work" |
| [15:21:10] | mchou: | Is that really the best Snapstream can come up with? |
| [15:22:12] | mchou: | If people wanted no "work" they'd get a tivo or STB pvr instead |
| [15:24:00] | wagnerrp: | apparently you cannot use it outside the US |
| [15:24:02] | mchou: | How about "getting rid of viruses on Windows" is a lot of work? |
| [15:25:22] | juski: | google for the name of the company I work for & one of the ad link things on the right hand pane says "Tired of unreliable DVR?" |
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| [15:26:27] | juski: | heh not any more. maybe we bankrupted them by clicking on the links |
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| [15:27:55] | wagnerrp: | looking at the 'comparison of pvr software packages' on wikipedia... since when was XBMC a PVR? |
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| [15:28:25] | wagnerrp: | i had always thought it was playback only |
| [15:28:29] | juski: | it is |
| [15:29:13] | juski: | like people nominating XBMC/Boxee/Plex in 'best OSS PVR' polls ffs |
| [15:29:20] | juski: | completely erroneous |
| [15:29:33] | meshe: | XBMC is a PVR? |
| [15:29:39] | juski: | Pirate Video Replayer |
| [15:29:42] | juski: | :D |
| [15:29:44] | meshe: | haha |
| [15:30:55] | meshe: | for well over a year I ran mythfrontend just for mythvideo to manage my tv series and movies from dvd, I tried XBMC but I didn't like it |
| [15:31:24] | juski: | I've tried to take other apps for a test drive lately, but they just crash or otherwise utterly fail |
| [15:31:39] | wagnerrp: | now the even more interesting part is that it is listed as having absolutely no video playback support |
| [15:31:39] | juski: | y'know..just to see how the other half do things |
| [15:31:49] | juski: | wagnerrp: mythtv is? |
| [15:31:58] | wagnerrp: | i know they use mplayer for playback, but i had assumed they packaged mplayer with their releases |
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| [15:32:27] | juski: | AFAIK it's mplayer-based code, not actually mplayer |
| [15:32:41] | wagnerrp: | so they do have their own player |
| [15:32:43] | juski: | i.e. it can do stuff mplayer can do but it's not mplayer |
| [15:32:48] | wagnerrp: | and the wiki is just blatently wrong |
| [15:33:06] | juski: | wikipoodle wrong?! :-O |
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| [15:33:27] | juski: | high time they updated the blimmin screenshot of mythtv anyway |
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| [15:35:56] | juski: | wiki is wrong where it comes to EPG data too |
| [15:36:11] | juski: | completely ignores xmltv |
| [15:36:36] | juski: | more fool those who beleive what they read on the interwebs I say ;) |
| [15:37:45] | wagnerrp: | one has to wonder about the other programs claiming free EPG, if mythtv says no |
| [15:37:51] | juski: | whoah. mythtv comes out of that quite well |
| [15:39:11] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the only things its listed as missing are home automation, automatic scheduling, and cablecard support |
| [15:39:51] | juski: | wagnerrp: re the EPG freedom.. maybe some people confuse 'stolen' with 'free' ;) |
| [15:40:05] | juski: | aka mc2xml |
| [15:41:28] | juski: | uhoh, the orcs will be looking for me now |
| [15:42:09] | ** wagnerrp just wrote his first recursive function ** | |
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| [15:42:28] | juski: | I need to do one of them |
| [15:42:41] | CGI787: | good morning |
| [15:43:14] | meshe: | recursion is fun |
| [15:43:14] | wagnerrp: | ive heard people say the ability to be able to do advanced things like recursive programming is what separates the self taught from the professionally taught |
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| [15:43:32] | juski: | lol @ this email from cdiscount.com |
| [15:43:33] | meshe: | it still messes with my mind ever time i do a recursive function |
| [15:43:36] | wagnerrp: | but in my experience, its so rare that you come across something that can actually benefit from recursion |
| [15:43:55] | juski: | buy any TV during Wimbledon & if Murray wins the Mens' Singles, they'll refund you the price of the TV |
| [15:44:15] | meshe: | wagnerrp: so only the professionally taught know how to use recursion? |
| [15:44:48] | wagnerrp: | that was the implication of the comment |
| [15:44:55] | meshe: | heh |
| [15:45:10] | wagnerrp: | more the difference between people who can write good code, and people who write garbage |
| [15:45:23] | juski: | like pros never write garbage |
| [15:45:27] | juski: | tell that to our CEO |
| [15:45:29] | juski: | :D |
| [15:45:30] | wagnerrp: | of course i consider myself to write brute force garbage |
| [15:45:46] | meshe: | or people who know to use a screwdriver and not a hammer to drive a screw |
| [15:45:58] | juski: | meshe: both! |
| [15:46:08] | chainsawbike: | hammer works fine... |
| [15:46:14] | wagnerrp: | what about those threaded nails? |
| [15:46:14] | juski: | not got a spanner? hammer and screwdriver! |
| [15:46:32] | juski: | not got a spanner or a screwdriver? Hammer! |
| [15:46:45] | chainsawbike: | drill... rocks... hunks of wood... |
| [15:46:52] | meshe: | i've taken a total of 2 classes on programming and I'm a senior software developer |
| [15:46:53] | juski: | my Dad taught me well |
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| [15:47:37] | wagnerrp: | yeah, we were given a single intro to 'c++' where we were taught the basics of cin and cout |
| [15:47:37] | meshe: | most of the people that have been on my development team have had CS degrees |
| [15:47:47] | wagnerrp: | the rest we were expected to learn on our own as we went along |
| [15:48:54] | meshe: | I took level 100 and 200 C programming courses more for the fun of it than anything, I was already a strong developer |
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| [15:50:07] | meshe: | become very proficient in one language and you can pick up others very quickly |
| [15:50:20] | juski: | English? |
| [15:50:30] | meshe: | i meant programming languages |
| [15:51:00] | meshe: | learn one romance language and my statement rings true for speach languages |
| [15:51:01] | jblack: | So, if one were to master.. logo, then lisp would be quick, eh? |
| [15:51:11] | meshe: | haha |
| [15:51:22] | juski: | I was ace at BASIC but c++ leaves me kinda blank |
| [15:51:24] | meshe: | just go learn Ook! and you'll be set |
| [15:51:25] | juski: | :D |
| [15:51:30] | wagnerrp: | and knowing Lisp can teach me FORTRAN? |
| [15:51:50] | juski: | and looking at Python stuff just makes my eyes go silly |
| [15:52:44] | meshe: | i had years of knowledge of perl before going to those C classses and I was nearly able to sleep through the class and still ace it |
| [15:53:02] | juski: | the code looks like real words – which is nice but doesn't make anything more legible |
| [15:53:07] | jblack: | That's because C is a trivially simple language. |
| [15:53:35] | jblack: | It doesn't work the other way around. |
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| [15:53:45] | meshe: | i think Java and python are similar in their extreme obsessiveness of OO |
| [15:53:50] | juski: | mmmm hometime :) |
| [15:54:16] | meshe: | yeah, I don't think a C programmer could pick up perl as fast |
| [15:55:20] | jblack: | You don't even with yourself? Time to take an irc break. |
| [15:55:29] | jblack: | Dont' even agree with yourself, that is |
| [15:55:55] | meshe: | heh |
| [15:56:19] | meshe: | I didn't mean that it wouldn't still be easy, just the direction would be a bit slower |
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| [15:58:45] | meshe: | and yes, I'll agree that there are languages that have major architectural differences that would make it much harder to learn |
| [15:59:45] | jblack: | Are you a frequent /. poster? |
| [15:59:53] | meshe: | nope |
| [16:00:20] | jblack: | I think you'd love it there. |
| [16:00:37] | meshe: | i read it daily |
| [16:00:55] | meshe: | i don't post there |
| [16:00:57] | jblack: | wtf is up with the stock market? |
| [16:01:13] | jblack: | Oh, closed today\ |
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| [16:01:43] | wagnerrp: | yeah, everyone is already closed on the 4th, so they have their holiday today |
| [16:02:25] | jblack: | I wasn't sure. We delivered meals on wheels today. |
| [16:02:58] | jblack: | The VA hospital was closed though, but anyone that reads the paper knows what lazy, incompetent fucktards they are.. :( |
| [16:03:17] | meshe: | lol |
| [16:04:25] | meshe: | We had to deal with the US consolate here in Canada, they took off Canada Day on wednesday and they took today off |
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| [16:09:57] | jblack: | meshe: That's awesome. |
| [16:10:14] | ** jblack decides to work for a consolate somewhere ** | |
| [16:10:19] | meshe: | hehe |
| [16:10:41] | wagnerrp: | wasnt there some google April Fools where they were running fiber optic through the sewer system? |
| [16:10:57] | meshe: | yeah, we ended up driving to the US on wednesday to do what we needed to |
| [16:11:15] | jblack: | This last one was Katie, an evil bot with the attitude of a 15 year old girl. |
| [16:11:19] | wagnerrp: | you get a spool in the mail, flush it down the toilet, and wait several hours for it to arrive at the local access node |
| [16:11:25] | jblack: | They didn't really get very far with it. |
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| [16:14:17] | wagnerrp: | yeah... Google TiSP |
| [16:14:24] | meshe: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google's_hoaxes#Google_TiSP |
| [16:14:24] | gbee: | wagnerrp: aye |
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| [16:15:13] | wagnerrp: | theres an article on slashdot about italy using robots to run fiber through the sewer system |
| [16:15:36] | meshe: | heh |
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| [16:18:18] | sphery: | what in the world is this guy compiling for ( #6685 )? ./configure --disable-audio-oss --compile-type=release --enable-proc-opt --disable-joystick-menu --enable-ivtv --disable-lirc --disable-xvmc --enable-xv --disable-xrandr --disable-distcc --disable-dbox2 --disable- audio-jack --disable-xvmc-vld --disable-hdhomerun --disable-firewire --disable-iptv --disable-iwmmxt --disable-altivec --enable-dvb --disable- hdpvr ... |
| [16:18:24] | sphery: | ... --disable-mheg --disable-opengl-video --disable-opengl-vsync --disable-vdpau --disable-xv --disable-x11 |
| [16:18:57] | wagnerrp: | im wondering what kind of crackpot enables and disables things in the same configure line |
| [16:19:17] | sphery: | --disable-audio-oss and --disable-x11 really stand out as wrong |
| [16:19:32] | wagnerrp: | sphery: only if you intend to run a frontend |
| [16:19:40] | sphery: | CPU x86_64 (AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3000+) |
| [16:19:47] | sphery: | even then |
| [16:19:51] | wagnerrp: | its the x11 video output mechanism, not x11 display |
| [16:19:52] | sphery: | want preview pixmaps? |
| [16:19:57] | sphery: | want audio in transcodes? |
| [16:20:26] | sphery: | I have a theory as to what distro the guy is running |
| [16:20:37] | wagnerrp: | freebsd? |
| [16:20:55] | sphery: | thing, "--disable-frontend Disabled due to abuse by..." |
| [16:20:56] | wagnerrp: | i had to disable a lot of that to get it to compile under freebsd |
| [16:20:59] | sphery: | think |
| [16:21:14] | sphery: | if so, then it's ok (as that's porting) |
| [16:21:23] | wagnerrp: | various inconsistencies in libraries between linux/freebsd |
| [16:21:32] | sphery: | if it's some guy who /thinks/ he's smarter than the configure script and is making a "lean, mean" build |
| [16:21:37] | sphery: | that's completely wrong |
| [16:22:04] | sphery: | but if it's GNU/Linux, he's building a broken Myth--whether he knows it or not |
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| [16:48:08] | sphery: | ahh, my favorite distro--the one that allows users to disable the parts of any program they want just by specifying the right use flag--strikes again |
| [16:48:30] | sphery: | several users building PHP with -json creating a PHP that doesn't support MythWeb. |
| [16:48:53] | sphery: | But, hey, look how /fast/ my PHP is. |
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| [16:49:06] | sphery: | Who cares that the majority of new web applications don't work on it. |
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| [16:51:48] | AndyCap: | cue funroll-loops. |
| [16:52:32] | dustybin: | what do you guys prefer, RAID 5 or RAID 10 ? |
| [16:52:50] | sphery: | sounds like RAID 10 is twice as good as RAID 5 ;) |
| [16:53:00] | dustybin: | right somebody else said the same thing |
| [16:53:10] | wagnerrp: | how many drives? |
| [16:53:22] | wagnerrp: | four or less, 10 is probably what you want |
| [16:53:22] | xris: | dustybin: depends on what you want out of it |
| [16:53:23] | dustybin: | 4 at the moment, but i might expand to 6 in the future |
| [16:53:39] | xris: | 10 is faster, 5 gives you more storage. |
| [16:53:43] | dustybin: | ok |
| [16:53:48] | xris: | if you don't need the speed, go for 5 or 5+1 |
| [16:53:57] | dustybin: | i dont really need the speed |
| [16:54:08] | xris: | I use 5 for file servers |
| [16:54:10] | dustybin: | this is my rough layout |
| [16:54:10] | dustybin: | http://paste.debian.net/40906/plain/40906 |
| [16:54:26] | dustybin: | that will be all on my future server |
| [16:55:06] | xris: | why separate out an entire 1T for livetv? |
| [16:55:21] | xris: | do you ever go back and watch livetv stuff again? |
| [16:55:33] | AndyCap: | iirc linux md only does reshaping for raid5 / 6 |
| [16:55:39] | dustybin: | i have a 1TB drive spare already from the old server box |
| [16:55:55] | dustybin: | xris: do you think that should be part of the RAID |
| [16:56:07] | AndyCap: | then again, it takes fracking ages to rebuild a large raid5 / 6 |
| [16:56:12] | wagnerrp: | not if the rest of the drives in the RAID are 2TB |
| [16:56:32] | xris: | AndyCap: you can actually convert between raiud levels with the latest md versions |
| [16:56:44] | xris: | sort of. 1 -> 5 should work, though |
| [16:56:45] | AndyCap: | xris: raid 6 to raid 10? |
| [16:57:01] | dustybin: | xris: that live tv, is for recordings as well |
| [16:57:01] | wagnerrp: | AndyCap: you should manage ~7TB/day for rebuilds |
| [16:57:06] | xris: | AndyCap: last I checked md didn't do 6 very well at all |
| [16:57:08] | dustybin: | live tv / recordings – 1TB |
| [16:57:17] | xris: | dustybin: gotcha. |
| [16:57:44] | dustybin: | i dont want to put that in the RAID as that disk will be in use all the time |
| [16:57:59] | AndyCap: | xris: does it have any flaws apart from being slow? |
| [16:58:54] | dustybin: | AndyCap: linux raid is meant to be rock solid? |
| [16:59:04] | xris: | 6? last time I messed with it (granted, over a year ago), it was labeled as buggy |
| [16:59:09] | AndyCap: | dustybin: uh, what? |
| [16:59:21] | dustybin: | oh sorry mixed up |
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| [16:59:31] | sphery: | 1TB for LiveTV is a waste of 1TB |
| [16:59:41] | dustybin: | sphery: live tv + recordings |
| [16:59:59] | dustybin: | if i want to keep something i will move it onto a video hd on the RAID |
| [17:00:01] | sphery: | with recordings, too, it's much better |
| [17:00:12] | dustybin: | yes it will be |
| [17:00:32] | dustybin: | if i lose the livetv/recordings disk, it doesnt matter |
| [17:00:50] | sphery: | guess I should have finished reading the scrollback :) |
| [17:00:56] | sphery: | you already said that |
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| [17:01:46] | dustybin: | i think RAID-5 will suite me better than RAID 10, space is more important than performance |
| [17:02:10] | xris: | dustybin: for storage, there's no real reason to go with raid 10 |
| [17:02:19] | dustybin: | ace :) |
| [17:02:25] | xris: | if you're worried about losing data, when you go to 6 drives, just turn one of them into a hot spare so you have 5+1 |
| [17:02:36] | xris: | or go to raid 6 |
| [17:02:42] | dustybin: | i will have 2 hd bays free, so in the future i could stick in 2x 1.5TB HD if i run out of space |
| [17:02:43] | xris: | but that's probably overkill. heh |
| [17:03:11] | dustybin: | xris: not worried about losing data, important stuff will be backed up onto external hds |
| [17:03:50] | dustybin: | i wonder how easy/hard it will be to expand my RAID-5 array using linux raid |
| [17:04:37] | dustybin: | should i bother using RAID-1 mirror for the OS drive |
| [17:04:43] | dustybin: | decisions, decisions, decisions |
| [17:04:43] | xris: | dustybin: it's just a quick command to add the drives and then extend the underlying partition. |
| [17:04:50] | xris: | even easier if you put lvm between, too |
| [17:04:53] | dustybin: | wow ace |
| [17:05:02] | dustybin: | yes will be using lvm2 |
| [17:05:31] | xris: | it's *slow* to expand, but it works.. |
| [17:05:36] | xris: | afk |
| [17:05:41] | dustybin: | ace |
| [17:05:54] | dustybin: | xris: is linux RAID stable ? |
| [17:06:00] | dustybin: | mdad |
| [17:06:22] | dustybin: | mdadm |
| [17:06:32] | meshe: | very stable |
| [17:06:40] | dustybin: | excellent |
| [17:07:09] | dustybin: | speed and performance really isnt a issue, as long as my frontend can read HD video ok, im happy |
| [17:08:16] | ** dustybin looks forward to buying a supermicro mobo ** | |
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| [17:11:34] | meshe: | in fact, I would advise using linux raid over hardware raid |
| [17:13:44] | dustybin: | does my OS really need to be mirrored... if i lose my OS drive, i would just re-install a fresh OS, and restore configurations from the backup |
| [17:13:55] | dustybin: | hmmm |
| [17:15:11] | jblack: | dustybin: You'll do what you need, but one option is to have a tiny boot partition. Then you can still raid5 your root filesystem with a pivot. |
| [17:15:30] | dustybin: | hmm |
| [17:16:11] | meshe: | for personal machines, i only raid the data drives, the os is easily replacable to I don't raid it, at work, the whole system is on a raid/lvm setup |
| [17:17:24] | dustybin: | ok |
| [17:18:08] | xand: | O.O |
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| [17:19:04] | dustybin: | i think 20GB is a nice amount of space for a OS |
| [17:19:12] | dustybin: | gives it a bit of room to breath if needed |
| [17:19:56] | meshe: | you may want to put either /var/log or /var/lib/mysql on it's own partition to make sure the db is safe from corruption from the logs filling the drive |
| [17:20:25] | dustybin: | meshe: i will partition all of them |
| [17:20:42] | dustybin: | bin |
| [17:20:43] | dustybin: | |
| [17:20:43] | dustybin: | Maildir |
| [17:20:43] | dustybin: | netstore |
| [17:20:43] | dustybin: | News |
| [17:20:45] | dustybin: | torrent |
| [17:20:47] | dustybin: | wordpress |
| [17:20:50] | dustybin: | whoops |
| [17:21:06] | wagnerrp: | youll have a 'whoops' partition? |
| [17:21:11] | Dubstar_04: | ha ha |
| [17:21:44] | dustybin: | i should of done /exec -o ls / |
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| [17:23:56] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [17:24:59] | kormoc: | that's absurd to partition out... |
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| [17:27:03] | jblack: | That's kinda insane, but lvm is up to it. |
| [17:29:02] | jams: | sure it can be done, but why would you want to |
| [17:29:11] | xand: | dustybin: if you partition too much you'll cause yourself to run out of space in one of them. |
| [17:29:45] | dustybin: | those are not partitions, those are dirs |
| [17:30:23] | wagnerrp: | dustybin enjoys doing things like dumping shell commands to IRC |
| [17:30:32] | dustybin: | sorry that was a mistake |
| [17:30:47] | dustybin: | thank god iamlindoro isnt here :) |
| [17:30:48] | dustybin: | phew |
| [17:30:53] | wagnerrp: | building model boats, and long walks on the beach |
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| [17:31:48] | jams: | lowered expectations |
| [17:32:04] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
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| [17:32:22] | wagnerrp: | mean, that was one of the few funny things to come out of MadTV |
| [17:32:25] | wagnerrp: | *man |
| [17:32:30] | jams: | i agree |
| [17:32:39] | wagnerrp: | i dont know how they lasted 13 years |
| [17:33:49] | kormoc: | Look at SNL, I don't know how they lasted the last 13 years |
| [17:33:52] | jams: | when it first came out it certainly was better then SNL |
| [17:34:03] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the current cast is crap |
| [17:34:11] | wagnerrp: | i liked the 90's SNL casts |
| [17:34:55] | dustybin: | why dont they make small hard drives anymore, i cannot find a nice little 20GB anywhere |
| [17:35:05] | kormoc: | So after my raid rebuild, /etc was marked as a pipe, not a directory... that was a very... interesting boot experience |
| [17:35:37] | kormoc: | cause it's worthless, 20 gb would be $1.60 by today's rates, hardly worth shipping when shipping is more then the drive |
| [17:35:42] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: because it costs them just as much to make a 20GB drive as it does to make a 320GB drive |
| [17:35:49] | dustybin: | jeeze |
| [17:36:04] | dustybin: | what the hell are you meant to do with the extra 300GB on a OS disk |
| [17:36:08] | dustybin: | *language |
| [17:36:11] | wagnerrp: | porn |
| [17:36:17] | kormoc: | Database |
| [17:36:23] | dustybin: | eeek no, your OS drive should only be used for the OS |
| [17:36:24] | dustybin: | nothing else |
| [17:36:28] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [17:36:33] | xand: | if you say so |
| [17:36:42] | meshe: | hehe |
| [17:36:53] | kormoc: | you can partition a single drive into multiple partitions... |
| [17:36:56] | xand: | dustybin: you can partition it |
| [17:37:00] | kormoc: | They're virtual drives! |
| [17:37:02] | wagnerrp: | so you want your OS drive to be small, old, and slow? |
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| [17:37:19] | dustybin: | if you use another parition on your OS drive, and that partition has a serious amounts of read/writes, the disk will fail faster |
| [17:37:27] | dustybin: | Fail. |
| [17:37:29] | wagnerrp: | you understand that the higher the capacity the drive, the faster it runs right? areal density and all... |
| [17:37:34] | meshe: | /var/log should be it's won parition, mysql should be on it's own partition |
| [17:37:34] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [17:37:56] | kormoc: | Faster it fails eh? I guess the whole enterprise level drives that support 24x7 read/writes for years don't exist in your world? |
| [17:38:08] | dustybin: | oh ok |
| [17:39:22] | kormoc: | Of course, drives in my house don't last more then a few years before they go to others who don't care as much about their data as I do |
| [17:39:36] | GreyFoxx: | ahahahahah I just updated an internal ticket to one of our own employees with a lmgtfy.com link . Everyone else found it very funny (this guy NEVER goes looking himself) but he apparently doesn;t think it'sso funny :) |
| [17:39:37] | dustybin: | if one buys a set of drives for RAID, should one buy one drive, then wait a month, then get the next drive, then wait another month, then get the next, so they dont fail at the same time? |
| [17:40:02] | dustybin: | or buy from different suppliers |
| [17:40:15] | kormoc: | dustybin, or just buy different models/brands or just count on the chance of pairs as unlikely |
| [17:40:24] | dustybin: | ok |
| [17:40:41] | kormoc: | it's not /that/ common for pairs to die at the same time, home data is typically not worth that level of hassle |
| [17:40:58] | GreyFoxx: | Yeah, that's silly paranoia |
| [17:41:01] | kormoc: | but then I do rolling upgrades, upgrade one disk every few months, grow the array when they're all larger, rinse, repeat |
| [17:41:09] | wagnerrp: | dustybin: if you want a small disk just for boot/OS, grab a largish (16GB) CF card and an IDE adaptor |
| [17:41:19] | dustybin: | wagnerrp: nice! |
| [17:41:21] | GreyFoxx: | Or use a usb stick |
| [17:41:35] | dustybin: | i thought CF are not good at writes |
| [17:41:39] | dustybin: | they wear out |
| [17:41:40] | wagnerrp: | who cares |
| [17:41:44] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [17:41:48] | GreyFoxx: | What do you plan to write to it ? |
| [17:41:51] | wagnerrp: | what are you doing writing to the OS disk anyway |
| [17:41:54] | dustybin: | the OS will write logs etc |
| [17:41:56] | wagnerrp: | it should be all reads |
| [17:42:07] | xand: | put the logs elsewhere, and mount noatime |
| [17:42:12] | dustybin: | ok |
| [17:42:14] | GreyFoxx: | dustybin: just write then to a mount on your raid or another drive |
| [17:42:25] | xand: | or use a dotmatrix printer ;) |
| [17:42:26] | dustybin: | ok |
| [17:42:29] | dustybin: | LOL |
| [17:42:32] | wagnerrp: | you only have to worry about write cycles on a flash drive once you actually fill it |
| [17:42:34] | GreyFoxx: | hell, if you have ram make /tmp a tmpfs drive |
| [17:42:42] | kormoc: | or just turn off logging! |
| [17:42:51] | kormoc: | It's not like you actually read it ;) |
| [17:42:54] | GreyFoxx: | cat /etc/syslogd.conf |
| [17:42:57] | GreyFoxx: | *.* /dev/null |
| [17:42:58] | ** xand reads his logs ** | |
| [17:42:58] | GreyFoxx: | hehe |
| [17:42:59] | xand: | :| |
| [17:43:05] | xand: | (some of them) |
| [17:43:16] | dustybin: | there is a log in my toilet |
| [17:43:21] | xand: | get out |
| [17:43:21] | kormoc: | (Heh, I do as well, but dustybin unlikely...) |
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| [17:43:48] | xand: | harsh :) |
| [17:43:48] | kormoc: | That was a bit too trollish for me |
| [17:43:55] | kormoc: | xand, quiet is fun :) |
| [17:44:23] | xand: | who was the guy that would troll here and ##hardware asking the same stupid questions all the time? |
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| [17:44:51] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [17:44:53] | wagnerrp: | old man across the street sounds like his car is about to fall apart |
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| [17:45:05] | wagnerrp: | belt must have come loose |
| [17:45:17] | kormoc: | Aww, he left |
| [17:45:28] | kormoc: | Impatient |
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| [17:48:01] | kormoc: | So Ubuntu tip, if ssh takes *forever* to go, turn off avahi... it's set as the system's primary DNS server.... |
| [17:48:04] | ** kormoc grumbles ** | |
| [17:48:14] | xand: | to go? |
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| [17:48:19] | kormoc: | to ssh out to a box |
| [17:48:28] | xand: | I see |
| [17:49:05] | wagnerrp: | or you could turn off dns lookup in your ssh[d]_config |
| [17:49:55] | kormoc: | erm... I mean from my ubuntu box, I type ssh client.com and it takes forever, as it's asking zero-conf to scan for client.com before doing a real dns lookup... |
| [17:49:55] | xand: | he said outgoing.... |
| [17:50:11] | kormoc: | and I'm not gonna memorize ip numbers for all the servers I connect to |
| [17:50:44] | wagnerrp: | ah, yeah... didnt think it had no choice to do outbound dns lookup |
| [17:51:04] | wagnerrp: | doesnt that screw up all internet access? |
| [17:51:21] | Dagmar: | wtf |
| [17:51:27] | Dagmar: | How did you manage that, kormoc? |
| [17:51:39] | kormoc: | That's how it was defaulted to be setup |
| [17:51:46] | Dagmar: | zeroconf should *not* actually attempt to handle .com addreses |
| [17:51:50] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [17:51:59] | Dagmar: | There's only a few "not real" TLDs it shoudl check |
| [17:52:04] | Dagmar: | Everything else should pass through |
| [17:52:09] | kormoc: | In this case, it was and slowing down everything |
| [17:52:21] | Dagmar: | I think maybe you have something that decided to announce it offered nameservice resolution |
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| [17:52:53] | kormoc: | nah, it was sending out a broadcast ping according to it's logs |
| [17:53:02] | Dagmar: | That's effed up then |
| [17:53:16] | Dagmar: | I've got some very sketchy stuff set up here using mDNS |
| [17:53:18] | Saviq: | wow vdpau makes a difference... both cpu load and picture quality is quite nice |
| [17:53:20] | Dagmar: | It really shoudln't behave like that |
| [17:53:25] | Dagmar: | Somfin there broke |
| [17:53:52] | kormoc: | Vanilla Ubuntu, small network, doesn't seem likely it's something here, but only ubuntu does it |
| [17:53:57] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [17:54:24] | Dagmar: | If I figure out or remember what to poke at in the next couple of days I'll leave a message on NoteServ for you about it |
| [17:54:26] | Saviq: | btw guys will the internal player use vdpau, too? and do soft subs work in the internal video player? |
| [17:54:33] | kormoc: | Rgr |
| [17:54:45] | kormoc: | Saviq, yes, no idea |
| [17:54:49] | jams: | Saviq- yes internal will use vdpau, don't know about subs |
| [17:54:51] | Dagmar: | Saviq: No idea what "softsubs" means, but VDPAU works in -current |
| [17:55:10] | Saviq: | Dagmar: txt files |
| [17:55:13] | Dagmar: | I gotta replace my motherboard now for sure |
| [17:55:19] | Saviq: | .txt / .sub / .srt / whatnot |
| [17:55:27] | Dagmar: | Something knackered the output on the L-R for the sound card. |
| [17:55:33] | Dagmar: | With my stereo MAXED I can barely hear it |
| [17:55:38] | Dagmar: | ...which really sucks. |
| [17:56:33] | meshe: | Saviq: i know for sure the internal player will use .sub .srt, i'm not sure if it plays well with vdpau or not though |
| [17:56:36] | Dagmar: | So, at least I can be looking for a motherboard that has VDPAU support in it's integrated video now |
| [17:56:52] | Saviq: | meshe: thanks will try |
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| [18:02:01] | GreyFoxx: | does the srt loading work right now in trunk? I thought I saw someone mention it was currently broken |
| [18:02:08] | GreyFoxx: | I'll have to test that later |
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| [18:08:26] | meshe: | not sure, i've seen it work in -fixes |
| [18:09:15] | GreyFoxx: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20545 |
| [18:09:49] | meshe: | i guess not |
| [18:10:50] | meshe: | it seems like a simple patch to turn it back on though if you want it |
| [18:13:43] | GreyFoxx: | hrm, it looks like it's not being passed the right filename for loading the subs, might be why it wasn't working before |
| [18:14:56] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, that's it alright |
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| [18:17:14] | Saviq: | any way to change the text subtitles' font? encoding? |
| [18:17:23] | Saviq: | what about automatically loading them? |
| [18:18:53] | GreyFoxx: | Saviq: The automatic loading is currently disabled in Trunk |
| [18:19:17] | GreyFoxx: | as for the fonts, not sure but I think it honours whatever fonts you set for subtitles in the FE |
| [18:30:01] | Dagmar: | Meaning you get to wander around in the setup menus for awhile |
| [18:30:25] | Dagmar: | I can at least narrow that to "somewhere within mythtv-setup" |
| [18:30:30] | Dagmar: | ...I think. |
| [18:30:46] | Dagmar: | Basically, when you see a screen FULL of nothing but input boxes with font names, you're there. |
| [18:30:50] | Dagmar: | it's not subtle. |
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| [18:41:45] | juski: | gawd, the livetv menu item change hasn't half thrown a spanner in the works for testing this hacking I'm doing |
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| [18:42:05] | juski: | down down enter enter.. whoops |
| [18:42:18] | juski: | :) |
| [18:44:15] | juski: | Ooo bitter "I'm trying to work out who MythTV is for. Masochists? People who don't watch TV?" |
| [18:44:30] | laga: | a |
| [18:44:39] | laga: | aah. someone needs a nice cup of GTFO |
| [18:45:56] | jblack: | I used to fell that way sometimes |
| [18:46:04] | juski: | damn. just thought of a more witty reply than the one I sent |
| [18:46:11] | kormoc: | go -users? |
| [18:46:32] | juski: | People who don't illegally download content & watch it with **** :) |
| [18:46:51] | juski: | kormoc: think more random ;-) |
| [18:47:27] | ** sphery tries to figure out a four-letter word/acronym/initialism for "advocates piracy" ** | |
| [18:47:40] | sphery: | :) |
| [18:47:52] | meshe: | MPAA? |
| [18:48:03] | jblack: | speaking of evil behaviour... I suppose people will be looking for a new place to infringe now that the pirate's bay is sold |
| [18:48:04] | sphery: | hmmm... doesn't seem right... |
| [18:48:27] | meshe: | i find that amusing as hell |
| [18:48:44] | sphery: | yeah, and in another 5 years, Best Buy will buy Pirate Bay |
| [18:48:50] | sphery: | (think Napster :) |
| [18:49:32] | kormoc: | ha |
| [18:49:35] | sphery: | i.e. place for piracy, then some company buys it and tries to take it legit and no one uses the for-pay service, but Best Buy bought Napster, anyway |
| [18:50:00] | sphery: | trying to remember who bought Napster first |
| [18:50:20] | janneg: | bertelsmann |
| [18:50:48] | sphery: | yeah, that's it |
| [18:50:48] | janneg: | or their music publischer to be precise |
| [18:51:40] | meshe: | new business model, set up huge piracy ring, get sued, sell piracy ring for more than lawsuit, profit |
| [18:52:11] | Dagmar: | Works for me |
| [18:52:24] | Dagmar: | I bet the RIAA is probably slapping their foreheads now that they could ahve just bought the company |
| [18:52:29] | sphery: | hmmm... guess the Bertelsmann buy-out was blocked by a US bankrupcy judge, then it was acquired by Private Media Group--an "adult media" company |
| [18:52:45] | sphery: | so, why would Best Buy buy the name from an "adult media" company? |
| [18:53:09] | Dagmar: | What name did they buy? |
| [18:53:34] | sphery: | oh, guess it went from PMG -> Roxio -> Best Buy |
| [18:53:40] | sphery: | name and assets |
| [18:53:51] | sphery: | Napster |
| [18:54:04] | Dagmar: | Oh |
| [18:54:22] | Dagmar: | Yeah they're assuming that at some point it'll HAVE to be profitable because they were an early adopter in this new field |
| [18:54:52] | sphery: | Wow, did I totally derail that Pirate Bay conversation... Sorry guys--trying to figure out my Napster history to see if my joke really made as much sense as I thought it did. :) |
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| [18:56:07] | Dagmar: | Best Buy is planning on suing everyone who lies down to sleep for a short period of time |
| [18:56:11] | ** meshe waits for google to get sued for being a torrent search engine ** | |
| [18:56:23] | Dagmar: | Your'e going to have to call it "short sleeping" instead of "n*pping" or they'll sue |
| [18:56:23] | ** juski chuckles ** | |
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| [18:58:00] | sphery: | Wonder if they'll sue cooks, too--at least those without mixers. |
| [18:58:17] | sphery: | (who "ster" their creations by hand) |
| [18:58:41] | meshe: | on that note, food time |
| [18:59:00] | sphery: | yeah, after making 2 really bad jokes, I should go mow the lawn. |
| [18:59:21] | kormoc: | Pay for your ill humor! |
| [18:59:35] | juski: | TPB.. home of torrents. Manchester .. home of torrential rain |
| [18:59:55] | kormoc: | except when it's not? |
| [19:00:15] | juski: | heheh |
| [19:00:34] | juski: | awww Muwwee is out of wombledon |
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| [19:09:55] | BlackDark: | SQl question : if I upgrade the schema of the database to 0.21, do you think the backend/frontend version 0.20 will continue to work properly ? |
| [19:10:09] | laga: | BlackDark: no, it won't |
| [19:10:45] | BlackDark: | is there any places I could find the packages for the frontend 0.20 for debian/ubuntu ? |
| [19:10:58] | wagnerrp: | both the scheme and the protocol revisions will be wrong, and mythtv will not function if either is wrong |
| [19:11:02] | juski: | what what what? |
| [19:11:06] | BlackDark: | in a ideal world I would have to dist-upgrade the backend frontend, but I have no time for that |
| [19:11:11] | juski: | 0.20? |
| [19:11:13] | wagnerrp: | are you running a very old version, like 6.something? |
| [19:11:37] | BlackDark: | ii mythtv 0.20.2–0ubuntu |
| [19:11:47] | wagnerrp: | of ubuntu |
| [19:11:49] | juski: | your only bet might be to check out 0.20-fixes from svn & build it yourself |
| [19:12:18] | wagnerrp: | why not just upgrade everything to 0.21-fixes and be done with it? |
| [19:12:33] | laga: | wagnerrp: never change a running system ;) |
| [19:13:08] | bobbob1016: | laga: Why? |
| [19:13:16] | BlackDark: | I would have to upgrade the backend / frontend to a newer version of ubuntu |
| [19:13:17] | wagnerrp: | well at least hes running 0.20.2, so hes not without scheduling data |
| [19:13:31] | BlackDark: | actually the initial plan was to upgrade teh hardware and the software at once |
| [19:13:32] | laga: | BlackDark: if it's working, why bother? |
| [19:13:49] | juski: | god, with mythtv & linux being as stable it's just no fun unless you break stuff every day with updates |
| [19:13:55] | wagnerrp: | laga: because we must tinker... its in our bones... |
| [19:14:04] | BlackDark: | the actual problem, sometimes we use the frontend on a laptop, |
| [19:14:09] | laga: | wagnerrp: yes, and i regret it almost every time ;) |
| [19:14:10] | juski: | wagnerrp: speak for yerself |
| [19:14:11] | BlackDark: | I just distupgraded that laptop |
| [19:14:32] | juski: | in the olden days a dist-upgrade was a recipe for disaster |
| [19:14:41] | BlackDark: | I forgo to pin the version of myth |
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| [19:14:53] | juski: | prolly still is if you're upgrading from one of the distros from said olden days |
| [19:15:04] | BlackDark: | my backend/frontend runs 7.04 |
| [19:15:11] | laga: | juski: never was a on debian AFAIK |
| [19:15:16] | laga: | ah, feisty. served me well. |
| [19:15:21] | laga: | too bad it's EOL |
| [19:15:31] | juski: | heh my FE & BE run different versions of ubuntus |
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| [19:15:46] | juski: | but I build myth myself to avoid complimicationings |
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| [19:16:14] | laga: | do we do that in here? |
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| [19:16:31] | BlackDark: | laga : we have everything running on the same box |
| [19:16:34] | juski: | we do for 'mythtv' |
| [19:16:42] | BlackDark: | we have some terms and running ltsp |
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| [19:19:05] | BlackDark: | ok let's try to build mythtv |
| [19:19:37] | juski: | wonder if the version of distro you have has build-dep |
| [19:19:44] | juski: | would save you lots of effort if so :) |
| [19:19:53] | juski: | apt-get build-dep mythtv |
| [19:20:26] | BlackDark: | I have 8.04 on the laptop |
| [19:20:34] | BlackDark: | trying to build 0.20 |
| [19:20:43] | BlackDark: | mythtv-0.20.tar.bz2 |
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| [19:21:01] | juski: | oh no. not the tarballs |
| [19:21:02] | gbee: | why not 0.21? 0.20 is OLD |
| [19:21:15] | wagnerrp: | thats what i said |
| [19:21:17] | BlackDark: | yes I know |
| [19:21:25] | BlackDark: | but the backend is too old too |
| [19:21:39] | gbee: | wagnerrp: sorry, just sat down :) |
| [19:21:40] | juski: | so do that aswell |
| [19:21:43] | BlackDark: | if I need to libs and so on I'll be screwed |
| [19:21:52] | juski: | bah |
| [19:21:52] | BlackDark: | s/to/some/ |
| [19:22:12] | juski: | the lib dependencies are pretty much, if not exactly the same |
| [19:22:22] | psm321: | just make a backup of the db |
| [19:22:31] | psm321: | so you can go back to it if you need to |
| [19:22:38] | psm321: | if the upgrade doesnt go well |
| [19:22:41] | juski: | but you should be making regular backups of the db anyway if you care about what happens should it break |
| [19:22:48] | BlackDark: | I do |
| [19:22:49] | psm321: | true :) |
| [19:22:51] | BlackDark: | daily backup |
| [19:22:56] | juski: | goodo |
| [19:23:06] | BlackDark: | backups are copied to a separate disc |
| [19:23:15] | BlackDark: | then sent to a small nas |
| [19:23:22] | ** juski goes to add more weight to the code hammer ** | |
| [19:23:24] | ** psm321 backs up everything except recordedseek, which is just way too big and can be recreated anyway ** | |
| [19:23:40] | BlackDark: | every 1 week, I burn 2 dvds, one for home, the other one I store it at work :) |
| [19:23:54] | juski: | blimey. taking it serious |
| [19:24:40] | juski: | if my house burned down or something I don't think I'd be overly concerned about my stories being available to watch ;) |
| [19:24:53] | BlackDark: | :) |
| [19:25:24] | BlackDark: | actually my gf is writing her thesis and I don't want she loose her job if something goes wrong |
| [19:25:37] | jarle: | seems like I still need to force the channel scanner in mythtv-setup to only use one cpu to keep it from crashing, but I keep forgetting how to limit mythtv-setup to only one cpu? |
| [19:25:38] | juski: | now that is a good reason to take backup seriously |
| [19:25:44] | juski: | s/is/*IS* |
| [19:26:29] | BlackDark: | btw, how good is mythtv on 64 bits machines ? |
| [19:26:49] | juski: | not much different to how good it is on 32 bit machines I imagine |
| [19:27:13] | BlackDark: | what about the codecs ? |
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| [19:27:18] | BlackDark: | for myth video ? |
| [19:27:23] | juski: | what codecs? |
| [19:27:54] | BlackDark: | any codec you might use to play mpeg-4, h* and so on |
| [19:28:07] | juski: | again, I say 'what codecs' ? ;) |
| [19:28:32] | GreyFoxx: | BlackDark: Myth supports any codec supported by ffmpeg since we use their library for all of that |
| [19:28:35] | GreyFoxx: | so most everything |
| [19:28:48] | GreyFoxx: | at least just about anything you are likely to come accross |
| [19:28:52] | BlackDark: | ok ok |
| [19:28:56] | juski: | never tried wmv in mythtv, so maybe not them but who the hell has WMV home movies? |
| [19:29:08] | BlackDark: | I need to upgrade my machine to be able to play some HD content anyway |
| [19:29:21] | BlackDark: | my bacnend / frontend is a 2600+ |
| [19:30:02] | juski: | wonder if anybody has ever willingly converted a video to wmv.. |
| [19:30:40] | BlackDark: | not me :) |
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| [19:31:09] | juski: | reminds me I need to see if my wife's Chubby Brown DVD plays with Internal |
| [19:31:21] | juski: | .. since I upped the DVD read speed |
| [19:31:48] | BlackDark: | does anyone play some BluRay disc with Myth ? |
| [19:32:22] | XLV: | BlackDark, no |
| [19:32:31] | XLV: | none on linux for that matter |
| [19:32:55] | juski: | not without lipping it first |
| [19:33:15] | XLV: | you can play the individual ts files, but not menus etc.. and ofcourse you need to descramble it first |
| [19:33:29] | BlackDark: | I read it's a pain |
| [19:33:57] | XLV: | not on windows platform |
| [19:34:29] | XLV: | so keep a windows installation |
| [19:35:06] | GreyFoxx: | BlackDark: Some here have a lot of blurray and hddvd movies they ripped with anydvd hd |
| [19:35:11] | GreyFoxx: | and myth will play the files |
| [19:35:12] | juski: | thought it was doable in whine |
| [19:35:23] | GreyFoxx: | anydvd hd, + vmware works |
| [19:35:25] | XLV: | whine it is |
| [19:35:28] | GreyFoxx: | for ripping that is |
| [19:35:36] | juski: | and er, WTF is that Peter Kay DVD doing in our house?!?!?!?! |
| [19:35:55] | BlackDark: | that's good to know |
| [19:36:01] | juski: | somebody must've sneaked it in. I'll have words |
| [19:36:39] | BlackDark: | some table-top blueray readers can read anydvd hd if I'm not mistaken |
| [19:37:56] | GreyFoxx: | BlackDark: I don't understand what that means |
| [19:38:02] | GreyFoxx: | AnyDVD HD is a program |
| [19:38:15] | GreyFoxx: | or do you mean they will play the programs output ? |
| [19:39:31] | BlackDark: | I thought that was a format |
| [19:39:32] | BlackDark: | sorry |
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| [19:41:31] | GreyFoxx: | no worries, just confused me for a sec :) |
| [19:42:19] | juski: | and Chubby crashes mythfrontend. oof |
| [19:42:38] | BlackDark: | chubby ? I know ChuMby :) |
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| [19:42:50] | juski: | should update to a newer -fixes methinks to take advantage of the new dvd libs |
| [19:43:01] | BlackDark: | http://www.chumby.com/ |
| [19:43:05] | juski: | BlackDark: Roy 'Chubby' Brown |
| [19:43:31] | BlackDark: | like chubby in My Name is Earl ? |
| [19:44:06] | juski: | like Chubby as in Roy 'Chubby' Brown. Comedian popular with common, uneducated people in the UK |
| [19:44:26] | BlackDark: | sorry, I'm in Canada |
| [19:45:00] | juski: | no need to apologise. some people are lucky enough not to have heard of the guy |
| [19:46:37] | dustybin: | hey nothing wrong with chubby, me and my mates saw him in blackpool |
| [19:47:07] | juski: | so, that's a disc to rip so it can be watched just once. meh – the things we do for spouses |
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| [19:50:51] | stoth: | Hey. |
| [19:50:56] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | hi i have set a manual record but when it gets close to it, mythtv "decides" that the program is not in the schedule and does not wake and record |
| [19:51:02] | janneg: | hi stoth |
| [19:51:06] | stoth: | hi janneg |
| [19:51:13] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | and how can I modify the time etc of a manual record after I have set it? |
| [19:52:50] | stoth: | I'm investigating iphone streaming support with mythtv. |
| [19:53:31] | stoth: | All of the solutions so far look like they use a userjob to transcode the content. |
| [19:53:57] | stoth: | Is this true for mythtv generally, all of the current mechanisms stream as-is, they don't transcode on the fly? |
| [19:57:57] | Redhammer_the_Ol: | aren't the mythweb folk not working on flash — ah yes but iphone cannot do flash |
| [19:58:25] | juski: | stoth: mythbackend can't stream on a per-client basis – i.e. what you get is what was recorded |
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| [19:59:32] | juski: | seen on-the-fly transcoding discussed many times here but nobody has started looking at it in earnest yet AFAIK |
| [20:00:16] | juski: | it might be neat for all of us to have – being able to watch shows recorded in HD on a low power kitchen frontend or whatever.. might be nice |
| [20:00:39] | juski: | assuming the backend machine has enough grunt of course |
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| [20:17:28] | juski: | haha what have I broken now? button positioning is all over the show. Whoops |
| [20:17:31] | ** wagnerrp has new respect for Amazon ** | |
| [20:18:07] | wagnerrp: | i bought the el cheapo 7–11 day shipping for this UPS rather than the 2-day shipping for $45 |
| [20:18:15] | wagnerrp: | and as a result, the UPS gets here in 2-days |
| [20:18:59] | juski: | wagnerrp: had good results from the saver shipping in the past myself. generally 1–2 days for small items |
| [20:19:23] | wagnerrp: | well this was a BMF 40lb UPS |
| [20:19:48] | juski: | same principle – cheapo shipping is worth the gamble |
| [20:20:24] | juski: | think all you pay extra for is higher priority in despatching |
| [20:20:37] | juski: | not a faster delivery as such |
| [20:20:43] | wagnerrp: | well sometimes its air vs. ground |
| [20:21:07] | wagnerrp: | which means 1-day travel, instead of 1–4 days depending on distance |
| [20:21:28] | juski: | heh I always forget not everywhere is as small as the UK |
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| [20:22:45] | A08: | Hi – can anyone give me a hint what to check if mythfrontend does scale the images and stuff but never brings up the menu (like watch tv)? Tried switching the painter from qt to opengl and back |
| [20:23:09] | juski: | you mean you never see the menu text? |
| [20:23:12] | superdump: | juski: i think ebuyer.com's cheaper delivery options are mostly superficial because the packages always arrive with some next day courier service |
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| [20:23:19] | A08: | yes |
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| [20:23:45] | juski: | A08: missing fonts? |
| [20:23:56] | wagnerrp: | juski: yeah, what are you... 10hrs from top to bottom? |
| [20:24:09] | juski: | depends which carrier you use ;) |
| [20:24:11] | A08: | wouldn't than be something in the logs? |
| [20:24:16] | juski: | but yeah prolly about that by car |
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| [20:25:45] | wagnerrp: | i think drivers over here are limited to 12hrs per day or something |
| [20:26:05] | wagnerrp: | so any further than that, and you end up with several more hours in some depot |
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| [20:30:24] | juski: | bloody hell look how well 'watch recordings' works with a mousey now! |
| [20:31:31] | clever: | recent commit? |
| [20:31:47] | juski: | dunno, just tried it for giggles |
| [20:31:57] | clever: | ah |
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| [20:33:15] | gpd: | is there a way to compensate for lipsync problems with old movies? |
| [20:33:48] | gpd: | ie change the timing of the audio track playback? |
| [20:34:25] | juski: | gbee: if you've got a sec, would the SetArea(area) change I've got in mythuitext.cpp be changing the text area size? still hitting the brick wall |
| [20:34:49] | juski: | gpd: yes. bring up the OSD menu with 'M' and select 'adjust audio sync' |
| [20:35:07] | gpd: | juski: great – thanks |
| [20:35:24] | juski: | gpd: it's currently only a one time thing though |
| [20:36:58] | A08: | it is not just missing fonts... |
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| [20:37:41] | A08: | ...if i hit "enter" it should start watch tv but it does nothing... |
| [20:38:04] | A08: | ...also when i set logging to "all" i can't spot any problems |
| [20:38:06] | juski: | you might've missed something in mythtv-setup |
| [20:38:28] | juski: | any useful log would be present in the backend log |
| [20:38:44] | juski: | since the backend is doing the recording |
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| [20:39:17] | A08: | in my case? I can shut down the backend and do not even receive the usual error message... |
| [20:39:58] | A08: | i somehow managed to screw my system up :S |
| [20:40:00] | juski: | yes in your case |
| [20:41:45] | juski: | second-guessing myself again, SetArea is what I need fer shir |
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| [20:49:36] | ** dustybin listens to Michael Jackson ** | |
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| [20:52:55] | juski: | interesting. made the button width 120 in the xml but the verbose is saying the width is 278 |
| [20:53:30] | juski: | which is the spacing (18) plus the area of the text state (160) |
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| [21:23:22] | dustybin: | who needs a text editor when all you need to do is: cat > myfile << "EOF" type ya stuff, then type EOF when finished :D |
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| [21:24:30] | kormoc: | when you want to backspace beyond the start of the current line? |
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| [21:27:03] | juski: | kormoc: nah trying to make mythui able to set width of buttons according to text width |
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| [21:27:50] | kormoc: | juski, I was responding to dustybin, who I guess you have ignored ;) |
| [21:28:04] | ** juski laughs ** | |
| [21:28:17] | juski: | I do wish people would respond to folks with their nick |
| [21:28:32] | kormoc: | Yeah, I used to a lot, I don't know why I've stoped |
| [21:29:37] | kormoc: | Hrm... 457 gigs of mysql backups... perhaps I should limit how many I store.... |
| [21:46:03] | sid3windr: | ah nice |
| [21:46:09] | sid3windr: | upgraded the laptop to ubuntu jaunty |
| [21:46:18] | sid3windr: | many thanks to their testing team |
| [21:46:36] | sid3windr: | they've been a great help as usual |
| [21:46:46] | sid3windr: | kde broken, bluetooth broken, wlan broken |
| [21:48:01] | gbee: | so a definite improvement then? |
| [21:48:07] | juski: | that's your weekend sorted :D |
| [21:48:26] | ** kormoc is just a grumpy old man ** | |
| [21:49:15] | sid3windr: | juski: well, booting the intrepid kernel makes my wifi work again, so I just purge the new one |
| [21:50:05] | sid3windr: | hmm, they seem to have made that difficult as well ;) |
| [21:50:33] | sid3windr: | kde broken got fixed by me moving my .kde out of the way |
| [21:50:41] | sid3windr: | but yeah, typical ubuntu upgrade. |
| [21:51:00] | kormoc: | So you get to lose your kde settings on every upgrade eh? |
| [21:51:07] | juski: | people scoff when folks say they have issues dist-upgrading |
| [21:52:27] | sid3windr: | juski: on debian! |
| [21:52:34] | sid3windr: | on ubuntu breakage does not need dist-uprading, it breaks just the same if you install a regular update |
| [21:52:43] | sid3windr: | (which it nags you for every goddamn day) |
| [21:53:11] | juski: | to placate windows migrants? ;-) |
| [21:53:28] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [21:53:45] | kormoc: | I spent two days updating my .bashrc to work with ubuntu's brain dead ssh agent/key forwarding setup... |
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| [21:54:11] | sid3windr: | I really can not get over how ugly the icons in the system tray have become now that I went from kde4.something to kde4.somethingnewer |
| [21:54:29] | sid3windr: | network manager is fugly |
| [21:54:35] | sid3windr: | and the battery monitor is a total ms paint disaster :| |
| [21:55:43] | sid3windr: | http://magic.powersource.cx/~tom/kfugly.png |
| [21:56:08] | laga: | ah |
| [21:56:10] | kormoc: | I was expecting worse |
| [21:56:13] | laga: | the joys of kde 4 ;) |
| [21:56:40] | juski: | ugh, did I design it? |
| [21:56:54] | sid3windr: | dunno kormoc |
| [21:57:00] | sid3windr: | the previous one was really really nice |
| [21:57:04] | sid3windr: | (from ubuntu 8.10) |
| [21:57:14] | sid3windr: | which was -also- kde 4 |
| [21:57:18] | juski: | jees those icons are umm... hmmm... |
| [21:57:25] | sid3windr: | juski: yes, something I'd make in paint. |
| [21:57:29] | juski: | wouldn't put my name on em |
| [21:57:30] | sid3windr: | "oh look, it has a circle tool" |
| [21:57:34] | wagnerrp: | u was under the impression ubuntu was entirely gnome |
| [21:57:38] | sid3windr: | "oh, and a rectangle tool, let's make a battery" |
| [21:58:17] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, kubuntu/xubuntu |
| [21:58:21] | sid3windr: | wagnerrp: heh, well then I'd never be using it :P |
| [21:58:27] | wagnerrp: | right, not ubuntu |
| [21:58:34] | juski: | *alternative icon packs are available |
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| [21:58:47] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, or just install kde packages in ubuntu which is all of what kubuntu is |
| [21:58:53] | sid3windr: | apt-get install kubuntu-desktop :) |
| [21:59:03] | wagnerrp: | once you step away from gnome, youre being different, and THOSE people get their own name |
| [21:59:12] | sid3windr: | is just a bunch of deps + a startup image in blue instead of shitbrown |
| [21:59:12] | kormoc: | 465 gigs of database backups gone |
| [21:59:16] | gbee: | winners |
| [21:59:22] | wagnerrp: | 2GB stay? |
| [21:59:32] | kormoc: | yup! |
| [21:59:39] | sid3windr: | I don't have that much of db backups |
| [21:59:47] | sid3windr: | but my mysql relay logs and binlogs get huuuuuge |
| [22:00:31] | kormoc: | only reason I even noticed was I was moving my backups to another drive and the sql folder was taking *forever* |
| [22:03:55] | juski: | anyway I thought one of the aims of KDE4 was to get a more 'together' overall look. all those icons look like vastly different styles |
| [22:04:35] | juski: | not that I can criticise much, as author of pooptoob-wide |
| [22:07:55] | sid3windr: | you mean that theme I use for my mythboxes? :P |
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| [22:17:28] | sid3windr: | http://www.google.be/search?q=kde4+"batt . . . t;+icon+ugly |
| [22:17:32] | sid3windr: | 1500 hits :> |
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| [22:21:02] | sid3windr: | apt-get install kpowersave, remove the battery monitor widget, and all is well. |
| [22:21:22] | Saviq: | sid3windr: i think the 'gradient' tool was the most appaling... |
| [22:21:49] | Saviq: | uglies |
| [22:21:55] | sid3windr: | good that you mention it |
| [22:22:06] | sid3windr: | still have to turn down this blue gradient tint in the taskbar |
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| [22:24:52] | laga: | heh, those sprints on -dev are great |
| [22:26:49] | kormoc: | We get a new dev named Matthew Grant eh? ;) |
| [22:29:00] | laga: | yes |
| [22:29:07] | laga: | he will add ffmpeg-mt to 0-21-fixes |
| [22:30:55] | juski: | can he turn water into wine too? |
| [22:32:04] | gbee: | why can't we have more team players? |
| [22:32:51] | laga: | i love how the development community does not cater to the needs of norwegian dvb-t users or somesuch |
| [22:33:01] | gbee: | says the guy who doesn't play well with others |
| [22:35:39] | juski: | haha there's the blackmail tip.. "I have also looked briefly at freevo, and I am rather tempted". That always gets people on-side |
| [22:37:34] | gbee: | what makes people think those lines work? yesterday it was "you will lose a lot of users" |
| [22:37:44] | laga: | juski: who said that? |
| [22:37:57] | Dagmar: | It's because they're trolls |
| [22:38:03] | gbee: | damn, I guess I won't be able to buy that yacht if that happens |
| [22:38:11] | Dagmar: | They have a nervous system, but it's strictly vestigial. |
| [22:38:11] | Dibblah: | DISEQC works in mythtv-setup? |
| [22:38:17] | juski: | last post on http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/386967 |
| [22:38:46] | gbee: | Dibblah: works just fine for me |
| [22:39:17] | Dibblah: | There are some caveats – I'm sure the DISEQC button used to disappear apart from -S... |
| [22:39:26] | Dibblah: | But I could be just misremembering. |
| [22:39:34] | Dagmar: | Heh. "VGPDAU" |
| [22:39:38] | Dagmar: | What version is that? |
| [22:39:54] | gbee: | in fact all the things he listed work for me (although I'm not sure whether I've correctly translated the text) |
| [22:40:02] | ** Dibblah took a look at the setup wizards recently. ** | |
| [22:40:06] | Dibblah: | <shudder> |
| [22:40:21] | Dagmar: | This guy has suffered repeated blows to the head |
| [22:40:30] | Dagmar: | "My trials with MythTV 0.21 + fixes + patches from |
| [22:40:30] | gbee: | 0.21-fixes the DISEQC button stays visible, at least for all DVB cards |
| [22:40:30] | Dagmar: | Jacque Y Avenard's build of 0.21 indicate that the hardware is capable |
| [22:40:30] | Dagmar: | of full 1080p decode, but that it is bottlenecking on the single |
| [22:40:41] | Dibblah: | Probably easier rewriting from scratch than trying to "port" to MythUI. |
| [22:40:41] | Dagmar: | threaded H264 MP4 decode path in the FFMPEG libraries." god I love embedded CRs |
| [22:41:07] | gbee: | I know that because my DVB-T and DVB-S cards keep swapping on a reboot so I have to delete the LNB from one card and add it to the other |
| [22:41:07] | Dagmar: | Anyone pointed out to him that a failed attempt indicates that the hardware actually ISN'T capable? |
| [22:41:13] | juski: | been said before, that Dibblah |
| [22:41:51] | gbee: | Dibblah: it was always my intention to re-write the settings code, don't dare touch it in it's current form |
| [22:41:53] | Dibblah: | We need a UI designer to design it, then the programmers that we have stashed in cupboards will stream to implement it. |
| [22:42:36] | juski: | anybody know any? |
| [22:42:42] | gbee: | Dagmar: heh, that's a good one, missed it |
| [22:42:55] | Dibblah: | There's one posting huge PDFs at the moment. |
| [22:43:43] | gbee: | juski: I've plenty of programmers stuffed in my cupboard, but unfortunately they all suffocated in there so they aren't of much use to us |
| [22:43:49] | juski: | lol |
| [22:44:18] | juski: | I'm living under the apprehension there's a programmer inside me trying to get out |
| [22:44:45] | ** gbee hands juski a knife ** | |
| [22:45:07] | juski: | rofl |
| [22:46:04] | gbee: | doesn't mailman have an option to reject html emails? |
| [22:46:32] | juski: | wish it had one to reject top posters |
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| [22:49:53] | Dagmar: | s/reject/shoot/; |
| [22:50:49] | Dibblah: | I can code, but not at the level required for Myth. |
| [22:51:10] | ** juski needs a bigger hammer ** | |
| [22:51:26] | Dagmar: | I think that's the general lack of documentation talking |
| [22:51:51] | Dagmar: | The codec stuff is not for "normal coders" but hte rest, if you know C++ shoudln't be a big issue |
| [22:53:02] | Dibblah: | I do have my name in a kernel commit, but that was largely incidental :) |
| [22:53:17] | Dibblah: | Oh, and LIRC. |
| [22:54:00] | juski: | never let a little thing like a lack of knowhow stop you |
| [22:54:38] | Dagmar: | Start by writing new docs for LIRC. :) |
| [22:55:12] | Dibblah: | Heh. http://kerneltrap.org/Linux/One-Time_Contributers |
| [22:55:19] | Dibblah: | I'm in there :) |
| [22:55:33] | Dagmar: | If you're not replacing keyboards because your teeth are wearing off the silkscreening on the ctrl keys, you can probably write better docs for LIRC. |
| [22:56:03] | Dibblah: | Nah – The LIRC one was just a kernel change – They deprecated some form of locking or other. |
| [22:56:40] | Dibblah: | And Linus _very_ helpfully posted an idiots guide to the change required. So I was just the implementing idiot :) |
| [22:56:58] | juski: | it's all gravy baby |
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| [22:59:14] | Dibblah: | I was quite proud of http://www.nabble.com/LIRC-will-not-compile-w . . . 3558651.html |
| [22:59:16] | Dibblah: | at the time :) |
| [23:00:11] | gbee: | Dibblah: you are doing yourself a disservice |
| [23:00:39] | Dibblah: | No, I'm realistic about the time I have available. |
| [23:01:35] | Dagmar: | Newb |
| [23:01:50] | Dibblah: | ... I'm very much a google / paste / compile / oh bugger / google ... programmer. |
| [23:01:55] | gbee: | well that's not quite the same, you don't have the time, that's fair enough but you are more than qualified and capable of working on myth |
| [23:01:55] | Dagmar: | Real coders wait until they're 200% oversubscribed on their time before even thinking about it |
| [23:02:14] | gbee: | Dibblah: well don't tell anyone else, but so am I |
| [23:02:19] | Dagmar: | You'll never manage to get burnt out if you keep up with that tracking your time stuff |
| [23:02:22] | Dibblah: | I have a central heating system that _so_ needs my attention. |
| [23:02:58] | Dibblah: | Currently, it's just doing thermostat emulation and dumbly switching on the radiator loop at certain times. |
| [23:03:04] | juski: | as opposed to the likes of me who have oodles of time but the rest.. lacking :) |
| [23:03:32] | Dibblah: | juski: I think I've seen some of your code and it looked fine to me. |
| [23:03:40] | meshe: | google is a coders best friend |
| [23:04:10] | juski: | depends what you're trying to do |
| [23:04:14] | Dibblah: | Unless you're doing Miranda. |
| [23:04:57] | juski: | Dibblah: keenness helps a lot :) |
| [23:05:34] | juski: | all the main devs are overworked & underrated. I still find it amazing anybody sticks around |
| [23:05:40] | meshe: | well, CPAN is my friend, but i'm a perl coder |
| [23:06:10] | juski: | by 'main' I mean the people who commit the most |
| [23:06:32] | gbee: | meshe already has more friends than me :p |
| [23:06:55] | juski: | anyway, takes no effort to whine but to actually *do* something is.. well those of us who have, know all too well |
| [23:07:32] | kormoc: | I haven't had a mythbox in 6 months |
| [23:07:39] | kormoc: | %s/in/for |
| [23:07:53] | meshe: | but you've committed my patches :) |
| [23:07:59] | kormoc: | Hehe, true :) |
| [23:08:26] | juski: | meh. Now I have two ways to make textareas have trailing lines |
| [23:11:24] | Dibblah: | kormoc: What are you using instead? |
| [23:17:24] | kormoc: | Hulu |
| [23:17:37] | kormoc: | I keep meaning to get the new hardware so I can get myth back, but I haven't had the cash yet |
| [23:20:39] | juski: | hmmm? why is my verbose outputting the button size before the textual width verbose? |
| [23:22:22] | juski: | gah. bedtime. plenty time to look at it tomorrow :) |
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