| Friday, June 26th, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:24] | abqjp: | iamlindoro, you should have your HD-PVR back around July 14th, if my experience is anything to go by. |
| [00:00:40] | iamlindoro: | abqjp, Hope so-- though I only shipped it off today |
| [00:01:01] | jduggan: | whats wrong w/it? |
| [00:01:05] | abqjp: | Priority mail? |
| [00:01:09] | iamlindoro: | July 14th wouldn't be too bad-- will miss some True Blood but it'll get replayed incessantly later |
| [00:01:12] | iamlindoro: | abqjp, UPS |
| [00:01:31] | abqjp: | In that case, make it July 17th. |
| [00:01:47] | iamlindoro: | jduggan, I have one of the first couple hundred units produced, which had none of the (required) heatsinking/fans on the encoder |
| [00:01:53] | iamlindoro: | s/have/had/ |
| [00:02:05] | jduggan: | ah |
| [00:02:20] | iamlindoro: | So now I should get back one of the new fancies with the fan/proper cooling/slightly different plastic with vents |
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| [00:03:12] | iamlindoro: | Thankfully I'm out of town for 10 days Starting Saturday, so that takes some of the perceived wait away |
| [00:05:10] | sphery: | even if you're flying, you're not getting /that/ much closer to the speed of light--and besides, the acceleration throws off those relativistic effects terribly |
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| [00:05:36] | iamlindoro: | You have clearly not witnessed my driving style |
| [00:05:42] | sphery: | heh |
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| [00:06:33] | ** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a speeding ticket trout on behalf of TheWorld... ** | |
| [00:06:41] | kormoc: | and with that, I should go |
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| [00:07:16] | ** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a coward! trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
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| [00:08:00] | sphery: | hope that was a big trout with lots of reach |
| [00:08:39] | iamlindoro: | Well he *is* theworld, it's tough to miss |
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| [00:09:17] | iamlindoro: | Which reminds me of the old adage about flying |
| [00:09:28] | iamlindoro: | "Flying's easy, you just throw yourself at the ground, and miss" |
| [00:10:22] | CoreDump|cf-18: | iamlindoro: my favorite book ever |
| [00:10:28] | sphery: | great book |
| [00:10:45] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [00:10:47] | sphery: | I've considered getting some of the other versions of the book to see how they differ |
| [00:10:52] | iamlindoro: | later books got a little not-as-good |
| [00:10:56] | iamlindoro: | but the first is great |
| [00:11:09] | iamlindoro: | And the Infocom game is just as good :) |
| [00:11:27] | CoreDump|cf-18: | I really dig his writing style and humor |
| [00:11:59] | CoreDump|cf-18: | when I first read it, it captured my interest from page one |
| [00:12:37] | sphery: | I waited to watch the movie until after I'd read the book. I'm /very/ glad of that. |
| [00:12:46] | CoreDump|cf-18: | hehe |
| [00:13:22] | iamlindoro: | I like the Terry Pratchett books for many of the same reasons |
| [00:13:31] | gbee: | hmm, this would have to be one of those books that everyone except me has read, so I'm going to guess HHGTTG |
| [00:13:38] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [00:13:53] | sphery: | people keep telling me I need to read Pratchett books, but I haven't gotten around to it, yet |
| [00:14:06] | iamlindoro: | a similar sort of zany, witty humor |
| [00:14:13] | gbee: | figures, the number of times people quote Douglas Adams :) |
| [00:14:19] | iamlindoro: | and they're good, and MANY of them |
| [00:14:26] | iamlindoro: | good to have a fun author who was/is prolific |
| [00:14:41] | gbee: | poor guy :/ |
| [00:14:42] | iamlindoro: | though with Pratchett having early onset Alzheimers, I feel sad for the worlds he's created |
| [00:14:59] | iamlindoro: | (in addition to obviously feeling sad for him as a person) |
| [00:15:19] | sphery: | I didn't realize that. |
| [00:15:26] | sphery: | How early? How old was/is he? |
| [00:15:42] | iamlindoro: | He's gotta be 60's-ish |
| [00:15:52] | iamlindoro: | but very young for alzheimers |
| [00:15:59] | iamlindoro: | 61 says Wiki |
| [00:16:01] | sphery: | And doesn't that completely blow away the Nintendo, "Active brain to defeat Alzheimers," claim? |
| [00:16:27] | sphery: | As I'm sure he had a /very/ active mind/imagination. |
| [00:16:49] | iamlindoro: | yes, and likely still does |
| [00:17:04] | sphery: | wow... they have his signature on the wikipedia page |
| [00:17:05] | iamlindoro: | would be nice if he can manage another book or two to tie up any loose ends he feels like tying up |
| [00:17:08] | sphery: | so nice for forgers |
| [00:17:59] | sphery: | so do I just jump into Discworld or read his early work first? |
| [00:18:00] | gbee: | iamlindoro: he's still writing AFAIK, he made a recent documentary about his life with the disease, but I only saw fragments |
| [00:18:27] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Well that's good |
| [00:18:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery, They are all stand alone |
| [00:18:37] | iamlindoro: | sphery, except for the first two |
| [00:18:43] | iamlindoro: | which are a back to back adventure |
| [00:19:08] | iamlindoro: | But you can pretty much read any of the other 30+ by itself |
| [00:19:08] | purserj: | sphery: start with Colour of Magic and Light Fantastic |
| [00:19:29] | iamlindoro: | though the characters will mean much more to you if you read them sort of in order |
| [00:19:37] | sphery: | cool |
| [00:20:01] | iamlindoro: | I personally think that he got stronger in the later discworld books |
| [00:20:16] | iamlindoro: | I actually prefer the latest ~15 to the first 15 |
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| [00:21:32] | sphery: | Wow... 30 novels. It's been a long time since I read that much just for fun. |
| [00:21:45] | sphery: | (thinking like since I was a kid) |
| [00:22:07] | iamlindoro: | If you drive a lot (or like to relax this way) the audiobooks are also really really well done |
| [00:22:10] | sphery: | I'd feel less guilty if he wrote a few computer/tech books. Maybe Hex will be close enough. |
| [00:22:29] | sphery: | Don't drive much at all. |
| [00:22:42] | iamlindoro: | could take them on runs :) |
| [00:22:45] | sphery: | Maybe I'll read when flying when I get back to traveling a bunch. |
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| [00:35:38] | iamlindoro: | sphery, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DiscworldShelf.png |
| [00:36:18] | ** jblack tries to figure out what killed michael jackson ** | |
| [00:36:36] | iamlindoro: | stressed caused by living life as Michael Jackson |
| [00:37:02] | sphery: | iamlindoro: wow |
| [00:37:58] | sphery: | free radicals caused by spending too much time in his oxygen-tent bed? |
| [00:40:09] | SHADOW_V: | sphery, that solved the issue |
| [00:40:17] | sphery: | SHADOW_V: cool |
| [00:40:30] | sphery: | probably ghost channels/sources/something |
| [00:40:33] | sphery: | ghost in the machine... |
| [00:40:39] | SHADOW_V: | although rescanning and going through qual channels can be a pain |
| [00:40:42] | SHADOW_V: | yeah freaking ghosts |
| [00:40:50] | SHADOW_V is now known as GHOSTKILLER | |
| [00:41:01] | sphery: | qual channels? |
| [00:41:09] | GHOSTKILLER: | i think i should put the side of the case back on |
| [00:41:11] | GHOSTKILLER: | qam |
| [00:41:14] | sphery: | ahh |
| [00:41:19] | sphery: | yeah, you likely have quite a few |
| [00:41:47] | sphery: | you almost motivated me to work on my rework of the xmltvid backup/restore stuff in the backup/restore script... |
| [00:41:49] | GHOSTKILLER: | i am going to do thinkgs smarter and do db backups |
| [00:41:56] | GHOSTKILLER: | heh nice |
| [00:42:00] | GHOSTKILLER: | almost |
| [00:43:26] | sphery: | new version will remove all backup xmltvid stuff, create a temp table of oldchannels using a standard backup, and then compare all sorts of stuff--channum, callsign, name, xmltvid, ...--to find matches and ask the user whether to restore some/all of it (including things like xmltvid, visibility, commfree-ness (commmethod), useeit, and anything else I think might be useful) |
| [00:44:16] | sphery: | if not for the power outage/motivation killer today, I may have actually done some of it :) |
| [00:44:20] | GHOSTKILLER: | nice sounds pretty robust |
| [00:44:45] | GHOSTKILLER: | yeah afew days ago i had a power outage ruined my week or so streak of trouble free firewire |
| [00:45:05] | sphery: | :( |
| [00:46:16] | GHOSTKILLER: | eh it happens |
| [00:46:43] | iamlindoro: | only to people without UPSes ;) |
| [00:47:07] | sphery: | I just took 11 UPS's to recycling. They were killing my uptime. |
| [00:47:29] | GHOSTKILLER: | i dont have UPS money YET |
| [00:47:43] | sphery: | Without an UPS, the power goes out, and the computer goes down. When poewr is restored, if the computer didn't fry, it boots back up. |
| [00:47:59] | GHOSTKILLER: | yeah i know |
| [00:48:18] | GHOSTKILLER: | what i will need to look into is how to tell the machine to power down when on ups power |
| [00:48:26] | iamlindoro: | apcupsd |
| [00:48:46] | GHOSTKILLER: | well thanks iamlindoro less i have to romage |
| [00:49:10] | iamlindoro: | Where's laga when I need him to tell you to speak english? |
| [00:49:20] | GHOSTKILLER: | i dont know |
| [00:49:38] | GHOSTKILLER: | its more that fact I can't spell |
| [00:50:53] | sphery: | With the UPS, I had all sorts of problems from breakers in the UPS's getting tripped that required someone to push a reset button (hard to do when you're traveling) or power resumed just at the wrong time--i.e. after the point of no return on the computer shutdown, so the computer shut down with power available and then didn't get "signalled" (by the resumption of power) to reboot. |
| [00:51:31] | sphery: | since I unplugged my UPS's, my network uptime has been unbelievably higher. |
| [00:52:11] | sphery: | and haven't lost any computers (though one HDD failure may be related :) |
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| [00:53:45] | GHOSTKILLER: | hmm nice |
| [00:54:05] | GHOSTKILLER: | yeah there hasnt been that many power interruptions but when i move it would be a good idea |
| [00:54:12] | iamlindoro: | Maybe you just need decent UPSes :) |
| [00:54:27] | GHOSTKILLER: | sphery, that story did kinda sound like a clever story |
| [00:54:33] | sphery: | I just need UPS's that don't pretend to be smart |
| [00:57:27] | sphery: | in otherwords, I need online UPS's |
| [00:57:41] | sphery: | but the efficiency is way too low, so I'm not going there |
| [00:58:57] | Shadow__X: | online ups's? |
| [00:59:19] | sphery: | the computer is always fed from batteries--even when mains power is available |
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| [00:59:58] | Shadow__X: | aren't ups designed to give you uninterrupted power |
| [00:59:58] | sphery: | most of the power events here are just spikes/drops--hardly ever an outage--and those kill the ups and often the ups doesn't react in time to help |
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| [01:00:49] | iamlindoro: | We're in brownout season here, and I managed to weather everything last year, hoping for a repeat |
| [01:02:07] | Shadow__X: | what does brownout mean |
| [01:03:02] | iamlindoro: | http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=brownout |
| [01:04:07] | Shadow__X: | ah ok thanks |
| [01:04:23] | Shadow__X: | yeah i get that here when the neighbor kicks on their AC |
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| [01:16:00] | Shadow__X: | http://www.autobloggreen.com/2009/06/18/mit-w . . . ams-w-video/ stupid drivers |
| [01:16:08] | Shadow__X: | just use cruise control |
| [01:16:23] | Shadow__X: | not everyone can do pulse and glide |
| [01:17:11] | jams: | phantom-jams i like the sound of that |
| [01:17:50] | Shadow__X: | uh oh |
| [01:17:54] | wagnerrp: | not everyone cane do 'drive like a sane person' |
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| [01:18:12] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,thats why you take their license away |
| [01:18:15] | Shadow__X: | right? |
| [01:18:29] | wagnerrp: | no, because the cops dont see what theyre doing as dangerous |
| [01:18:44] | Shadow__X: | heh |
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| [01:19:16] | wagnerrp: | people who have to be in a specific lane, because they need to get off the highway several miles down the road |
| [01:19:24] | wagnerrp: | and dangerously merge into a line of cars as a result |
| [01:19:47] | wagnerrp: | or do other stupid crap with merging, like slamming on the breaks |
| [01:20:07] | wagnerrp: | or preventing people from merging when there are plenty of open lanes to their left |
| [01:20:14] | wagnerrp: | erratic speeds |
| [01:20:20] | wagnerrp: | lack of turn signals |
| [01:20:24] | wagnerrp: | failure to adhere to the lanes |
| [01:21:20] | wagnerrp: | there are any number of actions considerably more disruptive and dangerous than my speeding |
| [01:21:23] | wagnerrp: | but go unpunished |
| [01:21:38] | Shadow__X: | i fully agree |
| [01:21:46] | Shadow__X: | but you have a brain |
| [01:22:07] | wagnerrp: | what really throws me off is some industrial road on the way to work |
| [01:22:25] | wagnerrp: | people cant stay in their lane, rather wide lanes |
| [01:22:39] | wagnerrp: | but then then dont try to avoid the numerous dips and pot holes either |
| [01:23:32] | wagnerrp: | its alright to violate the lines if youre not paying attention, but oh no! i cant move out of the way of something that may damage my car |
| [01:26:37] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,you are trying to rationalize irrational behavior |
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| [01:54:00] | phunyguy: | anyone in here use AIM? |
| [01:54:17] | phunyguy: | (the protocol, not software) |
| [01:54:26] | phunyguy: | i cant connect from my phone or my PCs |
| [01:54:32] | phunyguy: | just curious if anyone else has issue |
| [01:54:33] | phunyguy: | s |
| [01:57:25] | wagnerrp: | i got disconnected sometime earlier today, but im back online now |
| [01:57:53] | phunyguy: | hmm |
| [01:57:56] | Shadow__X: | ma pidgin she works |
| [01:57:58] | phunyguy: | i cant seem to get back in... |
| [01:58:04] | phunyguy: | yeah im on pidgin |
| [01:58:06] | phunyguy: | hmm |
| [01:58:07] | phunyguy: | odd |
| [01:58:14] | Shadow__X: | dns? |
| [01:58:19] | phunyguy: | and my Crackberry wont work neever |
| [01:58:20] | Shadow__X: | can you goto sites? |
| [01:58:22] | phunyguy: | yes |
| [01:58:27] | phunyguy: | EVERYTHING else works |
| [01:59:03] | phunyguy: | hrmm |
| [01:59:12] | phunyguy: | looks like the account disabled itself |
| [01:59:19] | phunyguy: | i hit enable account and it came up |
| [01:59:32] | phunyguy: | but that doesnt explain the crackberry |
| [01:59:40] | phunyguy: | wondering if Gaim "gave up" on the connection |
| [01:59:47] | phunyguy: | after some time today |
| [01:59:57] | Shadow__X: | meebo? |
| [02:00:04] | phunyguy: | no. |
| [02:00:20] | Shadow__X: | you can use meebo temporarily |
| [02:00:25] | phunyguy: | naah i got it |
| [02:00:31] | phunyguy: | the connection was disabled |
| [02:01:02] | Shadow__X: | RTM |
| [02:01:09] | Shadow__X: | just kidding |
| [02:01:10] | Shadow__X: | :) |
| [02:01:11] | phunyguy: | like i said |
| [02:01:21] | phunyguy: | looks like pidgin gave up on the connection after a few hours |
| [02:01:21] | phunyguy: | lol |
| [02:01:23] | phunyguy: | :) |
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| [02:13:27] | wagnerrp: | do successive calls to 'DirectoryIndex' in apache overwrite eachother? |
| [02:14:58] | GreyFoxx: | I would expect it to , or to error out and not start |
| [02:15:18] | GreyFoxx: | usually you just specify all of the various valid index filenames in the single line |
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| [02:15:47] | wagnerrp: | trying to get some little webapp working on one of the campus servers |
| [02:16:10] | wagnerrp: | and theres a file /etc/apache2/conf.d/php5.conf, that has three separate DirectoryIndex calls |
| [02:16:13] | wagnerrp: | one after the other |
| [02:16:37] | wagnerrp: | just seemed counterproductive |
| [02:16:37] | GreyFoxx: | weird |
| [02:16:41] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [02:16:51] | wagnerrp: | thats with the stock config files |
| [02:17:05] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt help that i have no root, and im trying to work around that limitation to get this thing running |
| [02:17:51] | wagnerrp: | for some reason, i dont seem to be able to force it using a .htaccess |
| [02:28:08] | wagnerrp: | awesome.... seems mrsdonovan found some advertising on the wiki |
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| [02:29:00] | tmkt: | wow |
| [02:29:04] | tmkt: | is all I can say |
| [02:29:13] | tmkt: | difference between my PCI 6200, and PCI-E 9600 |
| [02:29:21] | tmkt: | the pain is gone |
| [02:29:30] | wagnerrp: | what pain would that be? |
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| [02:30:02] | wagnerrp: | i found i had all new and different pains with my 8/9 series cards |
| [02:30:08] | wagnerrp: | although the overall experience was better |
| [02:30:25] | tmkt: | the pains of the choppy HD video |
| [02:30:33] | wagnerrp: | running VDPAU then? |
| [02:30:41] | tmkt: | and choppyness all around with the OSD |
| [02:30:48] | wagnerrp: | or were you running at too high of a resolution for the PCI bus? |
| [02:30:50] | tmkt: | when I was running the PCI 6200 |
| [02:30:52] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [02:31:05] | wagnerrp: | 720p is about at the limit for PCI |
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| [02:31:29] | tmkt: | much nicer with the PCI-E |
| [02:31:58] | tmkt: | now just curious what would happen if I disconnected the fan on the 9600... is mythtv runnning it that hot, that the fan is needed? |
| [02:32:11] | Shadow__X: | tmkt,leave the fan |
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| [02:32:18] | tmkt: | just noisy |
| [02:32:19] | wagnerrp: | unless youre using VDPAU, the card should largely be idling |
| [02:32:20] | Shadow__X: | better to be safe than sorry |
| [02:32:45] | tmkt: | but tons of fans in there already.the cpu fan..the power supply fan.. the 4 fans that came with the htpc case |
| [02:33:13] | wagnerrp: | but none of them are doing anything to the GPU |
| [02:33:17] | wagnerrp: | or are anywhere near it |
| [02:33:28] | tmkt: | true |
| [02:33:29] | wagnerrp: | you take off the GPU fan, and youre stuck with convection cooling |
| [02:33:52] | tmkt: | what about the case fans....they needed? |
| [02:34:02] | wagnerrp: | depends on the system temperature |
| [02:34:20] | wagnerrp: | you dont want your processor getting much over 50C under load |
| [02:34:26] | tmkt: | k...guess I'll leave it like this.. |
| [02:34:40] | wagnerrp: | similarly, you dont want your video card getting much over 80C under load |
| [02:34:48] | tmkt: | and next year...when the 9600 passive cooled card is under 80$ I'll pick that up |
| [02:34:53] | wagnerrp: | if you can remove fans and still manage that, go for it |
| [02:35:09] | wagnerrp: | check out 'nvclock' for GPU temperature |
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| [02:35:35] | wagnerrp: | you could probbaly find an aftermarket cooler that would be sufficient for that chip |
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| [02:37:40] | tmkt: | ah...didn't know nvclock had the temp |
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| [02:38:27] | tmkt: | guess I have to compile it myself |
| [02:38:42] | tmkt: | the one I installed is seg faulting on every command |
| [02:38:57] | wagnerrp: | might be too old |
| [02:39:13] | wagnerrp: | although in that case, it usually throws up a warning, and then refuses to do anything |
| [02:39:34] | tmkt: | actually I can probably upgrade to jaunty from hardy now |
| [02:39:46] | tmkt: | jaunty wasn't a fan of the XvMC stuff |
| [02:39:59] | wagnerrp: | wrong |
| [02:40:10] | wagnerrp: | your 9-series card wasnt a fan of the XvMC stuff |
| [02:40:28] | wagnerrp: | its not supported in cards that are capable of VDPAU |
| [02:40:28] | tmkt: | the 6200 |
| [02:40:36] | wagnerrp: | oh, nevermind |
| [02:40:37] | tmkt: | never tried the 9 series on jaunty |
| [02:41:09] | wagnerrp: | well ive not used jaunty, so i cant say one way or the other on that |
| [02:41:22] | tmkt: | intrepid actually was the only one that wasn't locking up with the 6200 |
| [02:43:08] | tmkt: | think I found a bug also..yesterday..turned on a channel..decided to record it, went to bed |
| [02:43:18] | tmkt: | today...on the web interface |
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| [02:43:22] | tmkt: | I see it as recorded |
| [02:43:45] | tmkt: | but if I go to Media LIbrary->Recorded Programs |
| [02:43:48] | tmkt: | its not there |
| [02:44:05] | wagnerrp: | it should show up in normal recordings |
| [02:44:09] | wagnerrp: | but it may be listed as livetv |
| [02:44:15] | wagnerrp: | hit 'm', and change the filter |
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| [02:46:03] | tmkt: | you are correct |
| [02:46:13] | tmkt: | great channel this is |
| [02:46:49] | wagnerrp: | assisted you are, mmm |
| [02:47:04] | phunyguy: | Yoda <3 |
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| [02:58:34] | tmkt: | OTA + Mythtv... no need for cable or satellite |
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| [03:18:58] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro,does your box reset it self |
| [03:19:01] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [03:19:15] | Shadow__X: | the 3200 just rebooted |
| [03:19:19] | Shadow__X: | by itself |
| [03:20:31] | phunyguy: | was it a hard reboot? |
| [03:21:00] | Shadow__X: | uh how can i tell that |
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| [03:21:09] | Shadow__X: | my cable box reset itself |
| [03:21:15] | Shadow__X: | and now its on standby |
| [03:21:34] | CyberKnet: | sphery: Well, I got openwrt on it after much consternation :) |
| [03:26:48] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,any ideas |
| [03:26:48] | Shadow__X: | ? |
| [03:27:22] | wagnerrp: | your cableco resets it for updates? |
| [03:27:56] | Shadow__X: | it has done this numerous times before i think i should switch it for a new one |
| [03:30:54] | Shadow__X: | well firewire is working now i guess i have to see tomorrow night if it does it again? |
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| [03:34:17] | wagnerrp: | ugh... i need to quit transferring files between drives, that appear as one drive over samba |
| [03:34:24] | wagnerrp: | it really rapes things |
| [03:34:45] | Shadow__X: | hmm |
| [03:34:48] | wagnerrp: | samba seizes up doing a local file transfer |
| [03:35:01] | Shadow__X: | too much thorough put? |
| [03:35:29] | wagnerrp: | it must be a blocking I/O |
| [03:35:37] | wagnerrp: | it blocks until the transfer is done |
| [03:35:49] | wagnerrp: | expecting that youre just transferring within the drive |
| [03:35:56] | wagnerrp: | and all you have to do is rename the file |
| [03:36:22] | Shadow__X: | yay samba |
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| [03:55:06] | thedarkone: | has anyone have a problem with schedules direct? |
| [03:55:42] | wagnerrp: | one of the things you buy from them is support when something goes wrong |
| [03:55:48] | wagnerrp: | what specifically is your problem? |
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| [04:16:13] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,the notion of you helping him was to great |
| [04:27:03] | CyberKnet: | anyone here an OpenWRT user? |
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| [04:30:44] | thedarkone: | well it says Authorization failed |
| [04:31:21] | wagnerrp: | you must have given it the wrong username/password |
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| [04:32:53] | thedarkone: | same one i use all the time |
| [04:33:14] | wagnerrp: | same one you used when you signed up on their website? |
| [04:33:22] | thedarkone: | i see the problem schedules direct is down |
| [04:33:32] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [04:34:14] | wagnerrp: | looks like they have some known problems, starting about an hour and a half ago |
| [04:35:28] | thedarkone: | yeah |
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| [05:18:44] | deaman: | morning |
| [05:18:49] | deaman: | anyone here ? |
| [05:20:42] | SHADOW_V: | deaman, maybe yes maybe no just ask your question |
| [05:20:43] | SHADOW_V: | !ask |
| [05:20:51] | SHADOW_V: | !help |
| [05:21:02] | SHADOW_V: | !list |
| [05:21:14] | deaman: | oh bugger, sorry, wrong channel :S |
| [05:21:25] | wagnerrp: | !poop |
| [05:21:30] | deaman: | indeed! |
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| [05:44:21] | SHADOW_V: | anyone else like its always sunny in philadelphia |
| [05:44:42] | wagnerrp: | my roommate did, i never saw it |
| [05:44:59] | SHADOW_V: | its pretty hilarious worth a view |
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| [06:12:33] | juski: | yay tmdb is working |
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| [06:46:55] | juski: | no way do they not have info for Ferris Bueller |
| [06:47:30] | juski: | heh. helps if there's an apostrophe |
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| [06:59:29] | juski: | meh. no entry for 'it came from outer space' :-\ |
| [06:59:47] | juski: | guess it's time to sign up |
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| [08:05:01] | janneg: | gbee: probably nothing since I can't even remember/get what you're referring to |
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| [08:12:16] | juski: | bloody hell this is a pain in the ass |
| [08:16:46] | juski: | Application Error (Rails). going to be seeing a lot of that today |
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| [08:21:59] | stuarta: | morning |
| [08:22:54] | stuarta: | gbee: much more importantly than BET HD -> http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/digitaltv/a162071 . . . ecember.html |
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| [08:51:13] | janneg: | gbee: got the context. no I haven't done anything with DVB running status recently |
| [08:51:29] | janneg: | but I still have the patch from 2 years ago |
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| [08:52:39] | janneg: | and I got annoyed enough with schedule changes by a channel which has acurate running status |
| [08:52:48] | janneg: | morning stuarta |
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| [09:02:08] | gbee: | stuarta: :/ switchover isn't due for another two years here |
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| [09:03:29] | juski: | meanwhile, the search for dvb-t2 tuners continues |
| [09:04:39] | stuarta: | juski: morning |
| [09:04:44] | stuarta: | janneg: morning |
| [09:04:51] | juski: | morningski :) |
| [09:04:53] | stuarta: | oh and one for gbee too |
| [09:04:54] | juski: | happy Friday |
| [09:06:14] | gbee: | morning all |
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| [09:07:39] | ltracy: | Anybody here use mythnettv? |
| [09:07:53] | ** juski does the pay day dance ** | |
| [09:08:25] | juski: | does anybody even use mythnettv? |
| [09:08:43] | ltracy: | some people |
| [09:08:59] | ltracy: | is there something cooler out there for putting downloaded shows into mythtv? |
| [09:09:31] | juski: | we don't talk about getting TV shows from Torrance here |
| [09:09:47] | ltracy: | some of 'em aren't illegal :) |
| [09:09:59] | juski: | still... |
| [09:10:04] | ltracy: | k |
| [09:10:06] | juski: | the vast majority of em are |
| [09:10:26] | stuarta: | gbee: 2012 where i'm moving too :( |
| [09:11:09] | juski: | 2009 switchover here, but no use getting 'HD' when you can't get a DVB-T2 tuner for a PC |
| [09:11:24] | juski: | so I'm not going all gooey about it :) |
| [09:12:38] | juski: | HD isn't important enough to me to warrant having to sit down in front of the telly at the *actual* show time :) |
| [09:15:05] | ltracy: | Are there digital cable tuners that work with MythTV? |
| [09:15:43] | juski: | with linux you mean? sure |
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| [09:18:22] | ltracy: | do they come with hardware encoding like my nifty Hauppage card I got years ago? |
| [09:18:31] | juski: | nope |
| [09:18:34] | juski: | no need of it |
| [09:18:41] | juski: | the streams come in as mpeg already |
| [09:18:48] | ltracy: | even niftier |
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| [09:23:13] | ltracy: | duh, I'll mess with this more tomorrow. 'night all |
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| [09:40:48] | juski: | dum de dum de dumm.... cheesy backdrop uploaded :) |
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| [10:10:20] | juski: | Daniel Craig in his first roll... WTF?! |
| [10:10:26] | ** juski smacks the idiot ** | |
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| [10:24:05] | Steve14: | Hi folks, I'm having little display issue with mythtv while watching tv. I've an 20" monitor (4:3) connected to the box, but mythtv displays tv with black borders on the left and right side and compresses the output |
| [10:27:13] | Steve14: | I'm using an analog Terratec Cinergy 400 TV, tvtime displays a flawless output with the correct aspect ratio and without black borders on the left and right |
| [10:28:46] | juski: | so it's your fault for not configuring the aspect ratio properly :) |
| [10:28:47] | Steve14: | Where can I find those options? |
| [10:28:47] | juski: | either the input aspect ratio is set wrongly in mythtv-setup |
| [10:29:30] | juski: | or the playback aspect ratio in mythfrontend isn't right (in Appearance settings IIRC) |
| [10:30:36] | Steve14: | overriding the aspect ratio in mythfrontend with 4:3 didn't help, I'll have a look at mythtv-setup |
| [10:31:00] | juski: | thought it always defaulted to the same as the input aspect |
| [10:31:20] | juski: | unless you're doing something silly like running it in windowed mode in a wide aspect resolution... |
| [10:31:24] | stuarta: | ah, is the broadcast stream actually 16:9? |
| [10:32:14] | juski: | be 14:9 if it's 'wide' I'd have thought |
| [10:32:18] | stuarta: | analog hmmm |
| [10:32:33] | Steve14: | Stream is 4:3 and display is 4:3, but mythtv doesn't output 4:3 |
| [10:32:34] | stuarta: | so it's however it's setup to capture |
| [10:32:54] | juski: | can't remember where the capture aspect is set up |
| [10:33:11] | stuarta: | i've never used analog, so i've no idea |
| [10:33:11] | juski: | it's either in mythtv-setup within input connections or in your recording profiles |
| [10:33:38] | stuarta: | and i'm making the assumption that you can set the analog input aspect ratio |
| [10:33:44] | juski: | yeah you can |
| [10:33:48] | stuarta: | thought so |
| [10:33:50] | juski: | just can't remember where it's done |
| [10:33:56] | juski: | might be recording profiles |
| [10:34:18] | juski: | bollocksed if I can remember. having a look now |
| [10:34:52] | juski: | meh. I ain't got no analogue no more so I can't check |
| [10:35:17] | JohnQP: | Anyone have any good suggestions for how to efficiently play HD recordings on a StdDef frontend? It seems that my fe cant keep up with decoding/downsampling. |
| [10:35:32] | juski: | JohnQP: MOARGHZ |
| [10:35:56] | JohnQP: | Not really an option |
| [10:36:01] | juski: | you need a fast enough CPU to play back the streams no matter what resolution it's outputting to |
| [10:36:15] | juski: | then your only choice is to transcode the files |
| [10:36:23] | Steve14: | Aspect Ratio adjustment ia avaible in General Playback |
| [10:36:29] | Steve14: | Let's see if it helps |
| [10:36:57] | JohnQP: | Im surprised that an athlon xp 1800+ cant keep up... but it cant |
| [10:37:05] | juski: | I'm not at all surprised |
| [10:37:54] | juski: | might be able to play lowish bitrate 720P mpeg2, at a push |
| [10:38:12] | juski: | but not broadcast HD, no way |
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| [10:38:45] | juski: | so, it's transcode or upgrade your CPU to MOARFASTR |
| [10:38:58] | juski: | *WAYMOARFASTR |
| [10:39:15] | JohnQP: | transcoding would kill the quality on my hd frontend |
| [10:39:27] | juski: | awww |
| [10:39:35] | juski: | there's no other way around it |
| [10:40:25] | juski: | maybe one day mythbackend will be able to transcode on the fly to suit the machine it's serving but it's just not possible yet |
| [10:43:12] | juski: | then again you'd need a hell of a machine to transcode HD to SD on the fly.. certainly no XP 1800 CPU :) |
| [10:43:32] | JohnQP: | my backend is not on the 1800 |
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| [10:45:28] | juski: | well, there's yer options. take yer pick |
| [10:45:49] | JohnQP: | doesn't look like my motherboard can take more than a 1900 |
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| [10:46:57] | juski: | maybe you'd stand a chance if you had a VDPAU capable graphics card |
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| [10:47:08] | juski: | but then I doubt there are many of them which fit an AGP slot |
| [10:47:38] | johnny_b: | hi guys, i have a problem. I wonder could you sort it out/shed any light on it? |
| [10:47:52] | juski: | and technically you'd have to run trunk to use it. yes I know there are hacked, mashed up builds for 0.21 but let's just ignore them & hope they go away |
| [10:48:08] | juski: | johnny_b: not unless you give us a clue what it is! |
| [10:48:13] | johnny_b: | ok |
| [10:48:35] | johnny_b: | first off im in the UK and im using freeview |
| [10:48:40] | juski: | never ask to ask. it's annoying as hell |
| [10:49:28] | johnny_b: | basically, whenever i scan for channels, it picks up some channels from the South West region, as well as all the channels from the West region, where i live |
| [10:49:38] | juski: | whoops |
| [10:49:42] | johnny_b: | and so, i get duplicates i dont want |
| [10:50:04] | juski: | so erm, get your aerial pointed a little better :) |
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| [10:50:27] | johnny_b: | is there any way (bar moving my arial about, ive tried that), to stop this from happening |
| [10:50:28] | Steve14: | Is there a way to reset the recording profiles? |
| [10:50:54] | juski: | johnny_b: only by scanning specific frequencies where the multiplexes for your region are |
| [10:51:04] | johnny_b: | yest |
| [10:51:06] | johnny_b: | *yes |
| [10:51:21] | johnny_b: | does telling mythtv what transports to scan on also help? |
| [10:51:32] | juski: | transport/multiplex same diff |
| [10:51:37] | johnny_b: | great |
| [10:51:38] | juski: | yeah that'd help |
| [10:51:53] | johnny_b: | i know which duplicate multiplexes it picks up |
| [10:52:05] | johnny_b: | Digital 3&4 and the BBC one |
| [10:53:01] | juski: | can't remember if you're able to see network/location info for muxes in mythtv-setup or not |
| [10:53:19] | juski: | I know they're shown during scanning, but fat lot of good it is then |
| [10:54:04] | johnny_b: | yeh, i can get the list of transports its found, delete the south west ones and do a rescan using existing transports? |
| [10:54:18] | juski: | erm... hmmm |
| [10:54:41] | juski: | prolly have to delete all the channels too before rescan using existing transports (after deleting the SW ones) |
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| [10:55:22] | johnny_b: | yes |
| [10:55:27] | johnny_b: | ill get back to you |
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| [10:55:34] | juski: | might be easier to find out what frequencies the offending transports are on, look up the mplexid of said frequency & delete channels in the channel table with those mplexids |
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| [10:56:17] | juski: | at least in mythtv you can do _something_ about it. not with MCE :P |
| [10:57:36] | gbee: | deleting the muxes from mythtv-setup should delete associated channels |
| [10:58:10] | gbee: | wonder where we're getting the transmitter names from |
| [10:59:53] | gbee: | not in the NIT or SDT that I can see |
| [11:01:54] | juski: | where does it get the networkid? same place I'd expect |
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| [11:04:04] | gbee: | NIT |
| [11:04:28] | gbee: | maybe it's in the freq tables, but that doesn't seem likely |
| [11:06:03] | juski: | it's in the NIT according to a DS thread I just found |
| [11:06:36] | gbee: | hmm, guess I'll look at the specs again, can't see it with dvbsnoop |
| [11:09:56] | gbee: | ah, ok it's there, it's just not parsed by dvbsnoop |
| [11:10:26] | juski: | most logical place for the network name to be, innit ;) |
| [11:11:40] | gbee: | aye |
| [11:11:59] | gbee: | and it is parsed, I kept getting the second half of the two part NIT ... doh |
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| [11:13:00] | gbee: | still, scan displays the transmitter name, all I'm getting is the region |
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| [11:17:03] | Steve14: | 14:9 seems to be the right aspect ratio ... is there any way to reset the recording profiles? audio is delayed and video playback is slow :( |
| [11:17:33] | stuarta: | it's in the NIT iirc |
| [11:18:17] | stuarta: | the clue's in the name "Network Information Table" :) |
| [11:18:47] | gbee: | stuarta: aye, seems logical that it _should_ be there, I just couldn't see it ;) |
| [11:18:53] | stuarta: | heh :) |
| [11:20:47] | gbee: | though as I noted, the transmitter name isn't, so that's probably coming from the freq tables, I can't check just now |
| [11:20:47] | ** stuarta reads a bit of documentation ** | |
| [11:20:57] | stuarta: | it's not in the freq tables |
| [11:22:56] | stuarta: | ah, it's the network name descriptor and is normally found in the NIT |
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| [11:23:15] | gbee: | hmm, let me check, it could be that they used to broadcast the transmitter name in the Network Name field but switched to a more general region label |
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| [11:23:24] | gbee: | stuarta: aye :) |
| [11:23:25] | johnny_b: | thanks for the advice guys it worked |
| [11:23:30] | juski: | doesn't follow that the network name IS the transmitter name of course :) |
| [11:23:49] | stuarta: | it's pretty good in the uk |
| [11:24:06] | stuarta: | pointed at Crystal Palace and it says Crystal Palace |
| [11:24:13] | gbee: | juski: no, in fact it used to be that I'd get "Brierly Hill" instead of "Nottingham" since the latter is just a repeater for the former |
| [11:24:38] | stuarta: | gbee: i assume that's the one you are pointed at? |
| [11:24:50] | gbee: | actually, I lie., it was Waltham |
| [11:25:08] | gbee: | stuarta: pointed at the Nottingham repeater |
| [11:26:46] | gbee: | yup, just confirmed that it's now displaying "East Midlands" in the scan, so at some point they changed from putting the transmitter names in the Network Name descriptor |
| [11:26:51] | stuarta: | ahah. network_name_descriptor is only found in the NIT |
| [11:27:22] | stuarta: | that sounds like preparations for the full dtv rollout |
| [11:28:09] | juski: | ugh. I read they're moving to SFNs where possible too |
| [11:28:13] | juski: | god help us |
| [11:28:18] | stuarta: | nothing wrong with that |
| [11:28:36] | stuarta: | also they are going POWER+++++++++ |
| [11:28:56] | stuarta: | so you can glow in the dark by standing next to the tx |
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| [11:30:30] | gravisan: | hi guys |
| [11:30:32] | juski: | Network Name is 'North West' now. sure it used to say 'Winter Hill' |
| [11:30:56] | gravisan: | i've got lirc running now i think , is there a way to sever X from all input devices |
| [11:31:11] | gravisan: | (because I think it is still using the fail keyboard interface?) |
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| [11:33:21] | JohnQP: | Anyone have any experience getting XvMC to work on a geforce 6150? |
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| [11:40:34] | gbee: | using region based names makes more sense for the average person, people can't be expected to know what their local transmitter is called and whether they are pointed at the right one |
| [11:41:11] | juski: | pah. average people shouldn't be pointing their own aerials :) |
| [11:42:17] | juski: | though if Sky keep up their campaign with their lying monkey operatives nobody will even need an aerial. sick of being offered Sky when I'm out & about, lying c***s |
| [11:42:53] | juski: | would you be interested in Sky, they ask. NOPE. Not even when it's FREE?! Oh yeah, you gonna pay the BT line connection fee too? :-D |
| [11:43:37] | stuarta: | you can get someone to install an aerial for 69 quid |
| [11:43:39] | stuarta: | bargain |
| [11:43:59] | juski: | cheaper to get Sky then innit |
| [11:44:19] | stuarta: | :( |
| [11:44:19] | juski: | in the short term at least |
| [11:44:33] | stuarta: | i'm going to end up with both |
| [11:46:15] | juski: | cable's a much smarter proposition – if only they had better boxes or at least nippy software |
| [11:46:39] | stuarta: | i hear the area i'm going to does have decent cable |
| [11:46:43] | juski: | the on-demand stuff looks like they render the GUI at the headend |
| [11:47:06] | juski: | or at least the STB asks for only as much data as it can display at a time |
| [11:47:47] | juski: | if whatever you want to see isn't on the first or 2nd page.. it gets frustrating |
| [11:48:12] | juski: | thankfully there's nothing I want to watch on non-terrestrial :) |
| [11:49:03] | juski: | wonder if google have lost the cache of that leaked info yet... |
| [11:49:29] | juski: | nope. a few working days, the council said |
| [11:52:33] | stuarta: | the ashes? |
| [11:52:49] | stuarta: | missus is going to go and sit in the pub all day and watch the cricket |
| [11:53:19] | juski: | nice work if you can get it |
| [11:53:42] | juski: | if I was into sport I think I'd much rather go to the pub to watch it than sit at home |
| [11:53:44] | stuarta: | well she will be on maternity leave :) |
| [11:54:20] | juski: | enough of us going home to be in our little boxes watching the same crap on other little boxes :) |
| [11:55:23] | juski: | right. another email fired off to the council. if they don't manage to boot Google up the arse by this time next week I'm going to the ICO again |
| [11:56:26] | juski: | " will be unavailable to read/respond to enquiries until 29/6/09". Ahem |
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| [12:02:14] | stuarta: | your house on google maps then? |
| [12:02:32] | kslater: | isn't eveyone's? |
| [12:02:34] | kslater: | hehe |
| [12:02:51] | juski: | stuarta: yeah but it doesn't list my name on there |
| [12:03:02] | stuarta: | kslater: no, we're on the 2nd floor |
| [12:03:11] | stuarta: | that's a start |
| [12:03:25] | juski: | and searching for your own name on google shouldn't bloody come up with your address |
| [12:03:32] | kslater: | yikes |
| [12:03:47] | wagnerrp: | why not? |
| [12:03:48] | juski: | THAT, is my beef with Oldham council |
| [12:04:00] | stuarta: | wagnerrp: data protection act |
| [12:04:02] | wagnerrp: | searching for your name in the phone book results in your address |
| [12:04:07] | kslater: | I was searching for my Mom's cabin with Google Earth – I know that I'm looking at the exact location and you still can't tell there's anything there but trees |
| [12:04:31] | juski: | wagnerrp: not in the phone book :) |
| [12:04:45] | stuarta: | the phone book is an exception, but the councils records shouldn't be available with your address in it |
| [12:05:03] | kslater: | interesting |
| [12:05:31] | kslater: | thing is, once the GOOG has it, how do you get it to forget it? |
| [12:05:40] | juski: | you tell em to remove it |
| [12:05:54] | juski: | or you change the meta tags of the content |
| [12:05:57] | juski: | or both |
| [12:05:59] | kslater: | I guess and then just trust that it's no longer available to anyone? |
| [12:06:15] | juski: | it's already been removed so step 2 is now impossible |
| [12:06:25] | wagnerrp: | seems the RIAA was forced to settle a suit when the defendant proved she did not own a computer at the time the data against her was collected |
| [12:06:35] | juski: | rofl |
| [12:07:07] | juski: | dunno if I'm causing a fuss over not much since anybody can go look at council records in person anyway |
| [12:07:15] | juski: | but it's the fscking principle |
| [12:07:16] | stuarta: | yeah, but that is hard |
| [12:07:33] | wagnerrp: | she had been receiving several letters from UMG, linking her to a website where she could pay her 'debt' |
| [12:07:35] | stuarta: | you have to know what you want and how to convince the useless person at the council to give it to you |
| [12:07:40] | wagnerrp: | so she rightfully assumed it was a scam |
| [12:07:50] | wagnerrp: | and when she failed to pay, they brought her to court |
| [12:08:04] | juski: | I mean yeah if I'd been dork enough to upload a doc with it to my own webspace or some CV site or other.. then yeah I'd put my hand up |
| [12:08:30] | juski: | but not a local council, not even MY local council doing it ffs |
| [12:08:48] | wagnerrp: | luckily i have a relatively common name |
| [12:08:52] | juski: | and no, I wasn't actually searching on my own name.. was the street name |
| [12:09:09] | wagnerrp: | with a couple actors and a phd or two that pop up first |
| [12:09:15] | juski: | mrs was being nosey about how much the house down the street was for sale for |
| [12:09:43] | wagnerrp: | along with several people on facebook |
| [12:09:53] | juski: | hey yeah I could just change my name and move house! |
| [12:10:15] | juski: | infact since the whole street was affected, they should relocate us :D |
| [12:13:04] | gravisan: | ah ... evdev is horrible if you want to do something out of the ordinary |
| [12:14:37] | juski: | wouldn't be so worried about this leak if I hadn't already been stalked by 2 nutters in my life already |
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| [12:28:13] | wagnerrp: | looks like someone finally put together a group tv recommendation script for myt |
| [12:28:14] | wagnerrp: | h |
| [12:29:00] | juski: | joy. so when Fox want people to watch their latest dirge they just spam it? |
| [12:29:16] | wagnerrp: | sure |
| [12:29:39] | wagnerrp: | because getting people to watch tv on mythtv is somehow going to gain them something |
| [12:31:14] | juski: | got a linky? |
| [12:31:31] | wagnerrp: | check the recent pages on the wiki |
| [12:31:40] | wagnerrp: | under feature requests, mythme |
| [12:32:50] | wagnerrp: | http://www.andreas-fey.com/downloads/mythme.txt |
| [12:32:59] | juski: | so it's a user job not a plugin. sigh |
| [12:33:26] | wagnerrp: | seems its a cronjob rather |
| [12:33:31] | juski: | really wish people would stay on message about what are plugins & whatnot |
| [12:38:30] | wagnerrp: | looking through the code... it... doesnt really seem to do anything |
| [12:40:21] | juski: | looks like it's doing a fair bit to me |
| [12:41:07] | juski: | apart from doing the scheduling insertion |
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| [12:52:59] | juski: | "Sorry dude, currently no recommondations for you. Please try again periodically!" |
| [12:53:10] | juski: | nobody else has my impeccable taste :D |
| [12:55:22] | stuarta: | "special" comes to mind :-p |
| [12:55:30] | juski: | wonder what it says when it finds recommendations |
| [12:55:39] | stuarta: | try this shit |
| [12:55:41] | juski: | "dude, you should like totally be recording this" |
| [12:56:10] | stuarta: | and walk around with your trousers around your ankles |
| [12:56:23] | ** stuarta does the big up ya nan dance ** | |
| [12:56:44] | juski: | but I don't want to go upstairs & be groomed by the CEO |
| [12:57:46] | juski: | I need an internet filter. want to be able to block any page content featuring topics I'm effing sick of already :) |
| [12:59:11] | sid3windr: | where's my recommandation, dude? |
| [12:59:13] | stuarta: | no you don't really |
| [12:59:18] | stuarta: | we have one of those |
| [12:59:26] | stuarta: | my day job involves linux and opensource |
| [12:59:39] | stuarta: | so the filter blocks "freeware and software downloads" |
| [12:59:45] | stuarta: | useful |
| [12:59:52] | sid3windr: | makes sense |
| [12:59:54] | sid3windr: | damn communists |
| [13:00:03] | juski: | just a page filter will do |
| [13:00:12] | stuarta: | it blocks updates to software we use |
| [13:00:14] | juski: | if I see the words Jackson & M... again today.... |
| [13:00:16] | stuarta: | stupid fecking thing |
| [13:00:29] | sid3windr: | Ferrah Jackson |
| [13:00:31] | stuarta: | yeah, lets go back to Farrah Fawcett |
| [13:00:52] | gravisan: | i am listening to him |
| [13:01:11] | juski: | I am not listening to people who listen to him :) not now |
| [13:01:31] | sid3windr: | HEAL THE WORLD |
| [13:01:34] | sid3windr: | MAKE IT A BETTER PLACE |
| [13:01:35] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [13:01:42] | stuarta: | the only time i ever listen is when i'm really drunk on a dancefloor and the dj plays one his songs |
| [13:01:47] | gravisan: | i'll beat it then ;) |
| [13:01:50] | sid3windr: | aha |
| [13:01:56] | sid3windr: | do you do the thriller dance then stuarta ? :> |
| [13:02:01] | stuarta: | nah |
| [13:02:14] | stuarta: | incapable of such things |
| [13:02:30] | gravisan: | dj's who play MJ and or madonna are er borderline shite |
| [13:02:40] | juski: | real mean don't dance, etc |
| [13:02:42] | juski: | ;-) |
| [13:02:58] | stuarta: | they drink, wobble about on the dancefloor trying to talk to chicks |
| [13:03:08] | stuarta: | = failure generally |
| [13:03:16] | juski: | and if they're really unlucky, they succeed |
| [13:03:29] | stuarta: | normally with the biggest munter there |
| [13:03:47] | stuarta: | funny to watch usually |
| [13:04:02] | juski: | depends how many times you've seen it |
| [13:05:00] | gravisan: | i usually don't remember much afterwards |
| [13:05:22] | stuarta: | gravisan: do you have to chew your arm off to get away? |
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| [13:06:27] | gravisan: | not quite, but i've woken up in a hospital once |
| [13:06:29] | ** juski has never played MJ or Madonna, not even in anger :) ** | |
| [13:06:35] | stuarta: | good man |
| [13:06:39] | gravisan: | that was slightly odd |
| [13:06:46] | juski: | but I was still borderline shite |
| [13:06:47] | juski: | :D |
| [13:07:48] | gravisan: | i got sickof the same music week in week out |
| [13:08:02] | gravisan: | granted most people probably don't pay attenton to that stuff ;) |
| [13:08:11] | juski: | I got sick of the same customers asking for the same crap week in week out |
| [13:08:24] | gravisan: | juski: that'd suck too |
| [13:08:24] | juski: | in the same extremely rude manner |
| [13:08:36] | juski: | was mostly the latter that did my head in |
| [13:09:03] | gravisan: | "yea after this song, now frak off and dance like a moron" |
| [13:09:27] | juski: | what currently does my head in is people my wife knows, on hearing I used to be a DJ, suddenly conjour up an image of somebody who has a doubledeck & FAL light cluster in the attic :P |
| [13:09:40] | juski: | so any sniff of a disco requirement & I get called upon :-\ |
| [13:10:12] | juski: | just had a narrow escape from doing a party on a canal boat for 30 people (! as many as that!) |
| [13:10:48] | juski: | heehee. sha'mone |
| [13:10:52] | gravisan: | ahaha |
| [13:10:58] | gravisan: | oh dear |
| [13:11:09] | jduggan: | 30ppl on a canal boat? |
| [13:11:12] | jduggan: | wowzers |
| [13:11:13] | jduggan: | :P |
| [13:11:26] | Steve14_: | What options can I use to solve video delay in mythtv? |
| [13:11:29] | juski: | jduggan: yeah, some pleasure cruise outfit |
| [13:11:43] | juski: | Steve14_: set up mythtv correctly – see the Audio section of the mythtv docs :) |
| [13:12:08] | stuarta: | you are being ever so helpful today |
| [13:12:19] | gravisan: | pleasure cruise eh, i like that sound of that |
| [13:12:22] | juski: | Steve14_: your problem is that you're listening to 'live' audio from the TV tuner card rather than what myth should be recording |
| [13:12:59] | juski: | Steve14_: so like the docs say, mute the 'playback' channel in the linux mixer & make sure the same channel is set to be CAPTUREd in the linux mixer |
| [13:13:14] | juski: | stuarta: being an angry bastard all the time is tiring |
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| [13:14:05] | juski: | though compared to Charlie Brooker, my vitriol is weak :P |
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| [13:14:48] | juski: | wonder why that guy didn't publicise his script on the ML |
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| [13:15:06] | juski: | he'd get more takers. more takers == better recommendations/data to sell/whatever |
| [13:15:20] | juski: | maybe he thinks forums are superior |
| [13:15:39] | stuarta: | forums suck arse |
| [13:15:48] | juski: | they're not even that good |
| [13:16:45] | juski: | wtf? just read that in windows 7 basic, peeps will be unable to even change the desktop background. that's hilarious |
| [13:16:49] | juski: | (if true) |
| [13:17:00] | Steve14_: | Thx forgot to switch back mysoundcard from Input stream to Internal stream, juski |
| [13:17:11] | stuarta: | \o/ |
| [13:17:17] | juski: | w00t |
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| [13:17:24] | juski: | can I go back to being a c*** now? |
| [13:17:42] | stuarta: | it's friday, you are meant to go back to apathy |
| [13:18:40] | juski: | apathy towards work I think :) |
| [13:18:53] | stuarta: | everything |
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| [13:20:14] | gravisan: | anyone know how I can find a dictionary/list of "config=" keys used by mythtv (for lirc) ? |
| [13:20:31] | juski: | keys.txt :) |
| [13:20:38] | gravisan: | ah |
| [13:21:16] | juski: | more or less, anyway |
| [13:21:56] | gravisan: | ok |
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| [13:24:20] | Steve14_: | I'm just wondering why mythtv eats so much cpu time when I want to output the usual PAL resolution 720x578 instead of 480x576 ... |
| [13:24:54] | gravisan: | maybe it's doing software scaling? |
| [13:25:24] | juski: | not having Xv won't help |
| [13:26:10] | juski: | i.e. from using unsupported hardware on ATI drivers, or open source drivers with Nvidia gear... |
| [13:26:16] | Steve14_: | According to tvtime my tvcard outputs 720x576 so why should it rescale it? |
| [13:26:38] | th1: | Steve14_, if the input is 480x576 it'll have to scale it |
| [13:26:42] | th1: | what tv card is it? |
| [13:26:48] | gravisan: | xvinfo? |
| [13:26:49] | juski: | Steve14_: depends on the recording profile :) |
| [13:26:52] | Steve14_: | Terratec TV 400 |
| [13:26:55] | juski: | entirely on the recording profile :) |
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| [13:28:00] | Steve14_: | Terratec Cinergy TV 400, th1 |
| [13:28:16] | th1: | Steve14_, chances are it's just using more bandwidth because it's 720x576 uncompressed frames. |
| [13:28:54] | th1: | if you ask the tvcard to output 480x576 it uses much less cpu/memory/dma bandwidth |
| [13:29:10] | Steve14_: | coding and encoding and saving might be too much for my Athlon 64 (2,0 GHz) |
| [13:29:55] | Steve14_: | Ok, I'm just asking 'cause tvtime offers a higher resolution |
| [13:30:33] | th1: | dunno if an athlon 2.0 can handle realtime encoding of |
| [13:30:40] | th1: | 720x576 but I would have thought it could |
| [13:30:52] | juski: | should be ok |
| [13:31:00] | juski: | so long as you're not doing anything else |
| [13:31:13] | th1: | in any case encoding 480x576 is going to be about 40% faster |
| [13:31:23] | th1: | so if that is the bottleneck it would explain the difference |
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| [13:31:42] | th1: | you're better off getting a card with hw encoding |
| [13:32:07] | th1: | or dvb card where it's already encoded by the tv corp ;) |
| [13:32:16] | Steve14_: | First of all I would need a bigger hdd :) |
| [13:32:33] | th1: | if you get a card with hw mpeg4 encoding you could do with a smaller hdd :) |
| [13:32:34] | juski: | so? |
| [13:32:40] | juski: | 1TB HDDs cost bugger all now |
| [13:32:52] | juski: | cheaper than a HW encoding mpeg4 tuner |
| [13:33:24] | Steve14_: | But I'm not sure if my old nForce chipset supports current sata hdds |
| [13:33:43] | stuarta: | 2 port sata card 15–20 quid |
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| [13:34:03] | stuarta: | put that in my prod backend |
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| [13:34:30] | stuarta: | which is a crappy old p4 |
| [13:34:39] | juski: | if no PCI-e available, PCI SATA cards can be got for $notmuch too |
| [13:34:48] | stuarta: | that was a pci card |
| [13:34:55] | juski: | got mine from dealextreme for £12 delivered |
| [13:35:01] | stuarta: | bastard |
| [13:35:09] | gravisan: | sata ftw! |
| [13:35:15] | juski: | was a git to update the firmware on though |
| [13:35:27] | juski: | needed a floppy – and who the hell has those these days? |
| [13:35:28] | Steve14_: | pci-e wouldn't fit in a agp box, juski ;) |
| [13:35:29] | stuarta: | meh, plugged mine in and it just worked |
| [13:35:55] | gravisan: | ahh.. i miss the sounds those 1.44 floppies make |
| [13:35:59] | juski: | stuarta: mine didnt like the sammy 1TB disks |
| [13:36:14] | stuarta: | who made yours? |
| [13:36:23] | stuarta: | mine was a "sweex" iirc |
| [13:36:36] | juski: | erm.. $CRAPMADEUPNAMECORP |
| [13:36:41] | stuarta: | basically just a silicon image controller + pci interface |
| [13:36:44] | juski: | SiL controller |
| [13:37:06] | stuarta: | wouldn't surprise me if it's a reference design |
| [13:37:11] | juski: | heh |
| [13:37:17] | juski: | like most things are these days |
| [13:37:47] | stuarta: | on the bright side, that brings consistency and increased likelyhood of linux drivers |
| [13:38:17] | juski: | jups :) |
| [13:38:25] | ** stuarta sighs ** | |
| [13:38:31] | juski: | hmm. time for some choccies |
| [13:38:58] | ** stuarta goes to look for the magic glue that's lost its stick ** | |
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| [13:40:30] | Steve14_: | But a card with mpeg encoding would even mythtv avaible for xbmc ... |
| [13:40:40] | Steve14_: | +make |
| [13:43:33] | juski: | pfft |
| [13:43:44] | juski: | I've yet to see a non-xbox build of XBMC even work |
| [13:45:22] | juski: | oops hush my mouth I'll have the gestapo onto me |
| [13:45:44] | CyberKnet: | We'll sick nambo on you... |
| [13:46:09] | juski: | is that something like ebola? |
| [13:46:55] | CyberKnet: | Do you remember the video that iamlindoro posted of some kid flipping out over a closed WoW account? |
| [13:47:02] | juski: | yeah |
| [13:47:12] | CyberKnet: | Imagine that, but on IRC. |
| [13:47:19] | CyberKnet: | *that* would be nambo. |
| [13:47:20] | juski: | lol |
| [13:47:34] | stuarta: | yes he was a dick |
| [13:47:34] | CyberKnet: | Were you not here yesterday to see the nambo affair? |
| [13:47:47] | juski: | I was probably here but not here |
| [13:47:57] | stuarta: | feel free to read the logs |
| [13:48:01] | CyberKnet: | gotcha |
| [13:48:02] | stuarta: | i'm not going to rehash |
| [13:48:14] | CyberKnet: | I wasn't planning on it either. |
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| [13:49:25] | juski: | not gonna blame anyone for getting defensive about a project they're involved with. been guilty of that enough times myself |
| [13:50:14] | ** CyberKnet makes a mental note that either someone now owns his router, or he didn't set up OpenWRT quite right last night ** | |
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| [13:53:02] | ** sid3windr bricked his fonera yesterday ** | |
| [13:53:03] | sid3windr: | :[ |
| [13:53:33] | juski: | heh I actually kinda agree with nambo in some ways. I can be a PITA to dist upgrade |
| [13:53:50] | juski: | or at least, it has a tendency to break lots, so I don't |
| [13:54:24] | sid3windr: | are you speaking ubuntu or debian now? :P |
| [13:54:29] | sid3windr: | +about somewhere |
| [13:54:42] | juski: | tried a few times a couple of years ago on a spare machine. once it completely hosed a myth install & the other time with exactly the same base it succeeded |
| [13:55:23] | juski: | course one of those times involved a user hand-editing an source.list file... cough |
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| [13:55:44] | sid3windr: | hm |
| [13:55:51] | sid3windr: | how else do you edit sources.list if not by hand? :/ |
| [13:55:54] | juski: | last time I dist-upgraded it just worked though |
| [13:56:17] | juski: | sid3windr: scripts are available from certain blog pages :P |
| [13:56:27] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [13:56:31] | juski: | sed is handy too :) |
| [13:56:44] | ** stuarta loves sed ** | |
| [13:56:53] | juski: | and where users mix package sources... erm.. hmmm. |
| [13:57:23] | juski: | some day I'm gonna get bit for using some multimedia source or other |
| [13:57:58] | juski: | if only ubuntu had a 'look, I don't give a flying eff about software patents, just gimme the nice software' repo |
| [13:58:52] | juski: | or (and this is purely the heretic in me talking now) we could just PAY to have mp3, mpeg etc & be done with it |
| [13:59:12] | ** juski hates freedom, remember ** | |
| [13:59:38] | sid3windr: | damn straight! |
| [13:59:59] | sid3windr: | in any case I updated my debian etch frontends and backend to lenny without real issues |
| [14:00:07] | sid3windr: | (and that's including usnig debian-multimedia.org for packages ;) |
| [14:00:42] | juski: | yeah but I'm not fool enough to expect nothing to go wrong due to me mixing repos ;) |
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| [14:01:24] | juski: | speaking of updates... |
| [14:01:52] | juski: | there's prolly been a whole new kernel version since I last updated |
| [14:02:11] | sid3windr: | I'm stuck at 2.6.28 as 2.6.29 breaks nfs |
| [14:02:16] | sid3windr: | (for me) |
| [14:04:05] | juski: | I can install 159 updates. s/install/ignore |
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| [14:13:08] | _bradd_: | any have fios/motorola qip6200–2 and able to change channels via firewire? |
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| [14:18:56] | superdump: | hmm |
| [14:19:16] | superdump: | i appear to be having some include path issue when compiling the mythplugins from trunk |
| [14:19:18] | superdump: | http://pastebin.com/m31027476 |
| [14:19:29] | superdump: | but then... |
| [14:19:30] | superdump: | $ find /usr/include/ -iname "QApplication" |
| [14:19:30] | superdump: | /usr/include/qt4/QtGui/QApplication |
| [14:19:46] | superdump: | (debian unstable) |
| [14:20:14] | superdump: | (as an example) |
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| [14:22:17] | juski: | roll on the end of the month! I can book some more time off in July :D |
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| [14:24:30] | superdump: | weird, it was working before |
| [14:24:42] | stuarta: | -I/usr/include/qt3 |
| [14:24:55] | stuarta: | it's picking up qmake from qt3 |
| [14:25:56] | jduggan: | juski: sweet, i have next week in work then a week off |
| [14:26:02] | jduggan: | cant wait :S |
| [14:26:17] | juski: | feel like climbing the walls here |
| [14:26:17] | superdump: | stuarta: the configure script doesn't complain, i noticed that though |
| [14:26:29] | superdump: | should i remove qt3 dev tools or something? |
| [14:26:42] | stuarta: | i've both installed on my debian box and it copes |
| [14:26:46] | superdump: | the configure script does find qmake4 |
| [14:26:53] | stuarta: | distclean methinks |
| [14:27:00] | juski: | well, time for offski |
| [14:27:01] | superdump: | i did a distclean |
| [14:27:05] | juski: | have a good 'un all |
| [14:27:10] | jduggan: | laters |
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| [14:27:28] | superdump: | $ qmake --version |
| [14:27:28] | superdump: | Qmake version: 1.07a (Qt 3.3.8b) |
| [14:27:28] | superdump: | Qmake is free software from Trolltech ASA. |
| [14:27:47] | superdump: | it seems 3 is the default |
| [14:28:02] | stuarta: | qmake-qt4 is what it needs to run |
| [14:28:08] | superdump: | right |
| [14:28:27] | stuarta: | it's something silly like removing the generated .pro files |
| [14:29:12] | superdump: | well, cd ../mythplugins; rm -rf mythplugins; svn up; cd mythplugins; ./configure && qtmake-qt4 mythplugins.pro && make seems to be going ok so something just broke at some point in the build system |
| [14:29:14] | ** superdump shrugs ** | |
| [14:31:15] | superdump: | when updating all of myth, i normally go into my trunk checkout, svn up and then go into the mythtv dir, make distclean, configure, compile (using ccache and make -j8) and install, then into mythplugins and just configure, compile and install |
| [14:31:21] | superdump: | i guess i could make distclean in there too |
| [14:34:10] | sphery: | probably removing the generated Makefiles |
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| [14:34:54] | sphery: | do: make distclean && find . -name Makefile -delete && svn up |
| [14:35:47] | sphery: | (there are some non-generated Makefile that you'll need restored with either svn revert -r (to maintain your svn rev) or svn up (to maintain local changes) |
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| [14:48:18] | bthornton: | I'm looking to upgrade my old analog TV tuner... I've got HD DirecTV now and was wondering if it's possible to somehow watch that (in HD) on my computer? |
| [14:49:03] | bthornton: | I'm guessing I'm going to have to rely on a hardware box to decode the signal, regardless--so that turns my computer into just a monitor... |
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| [14:52:38] | janneg: | sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1475234 should be more efficent than the .rgbSwapped() |
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| [16:08:29] | sphery: | janneg: Cool--definitely better. And, especially nice since the systems without mmx are the ones most likely to need the extra efficiency, so the rgbSwapped() call would be more difficult on them. |
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| [16:48:30] | iamlindoro: | Is it the weekend yet? |
| [16:48:45] | ** iamlindoro bleakly looks at the clock reading 9:48 AM, sighs ** | |
| [16:48:50] | meshe: | T-7 hours |
| [16:49:06] | SHADOW_V: | its 12:48 here |
| [16:49:26] | wombo: | where are the themes normally stored? |
| [16:49:35] | wombo: | I want to try out graphite |
| [16:49:41] | meshe: | on the filesystem |
| [16:49:44] | meshe: | ;) |
| [16:49:44] | SHADOW_V: | my weekend begins when gf gets out of work though |
| [16:49:45] | wombo: | :) |
| [16:50:33] | meshe: | my weekend begins at about 6:10PM after my hour and 20 min commute |
| [16:50:40] | iamlindoro: | Graphite is a non-core theme, and is linked the the e-mail releasing it-- probably best to read the whole thread, though, but the absolute cliff-notes version is that you must use the GL theme painter, and you must install the included font systemwide |
| [16:50:43] | wombo: | dont worry I found it |
| [16:51:30] | wombo: | yeah I have been following the thread and some comments in here and interested in trying it out |
| [16:51:39] | wombo: | im already running OpenGL |
| [16:51:51] | wombo: | so I just need to add the font then, thanks |
| [16:52:22] | iamlindoro: | Then, of course, it only really becomes fun once you get all the fanart, coverart, and banners sorted out |
| [16:52:29] | iamlindoro: | but there are some hints on that there too |
| [16:52:56] | meshe: | i can imagine it would be a pretty boring theme without |
| [16:53:18] | iamlindoro: | Not boring, just not as fun |
| [16:53:29] | wombo: | yeah |
| [16:53:30] | ** iamlindoro grumbles ** | |
| [16:53:39] | meshe: | ? |
| [16:54:07] | SHADOW_V: | it looks very nice iamlindoro dont worry its not boring |
| [16:54:31] | ** iamlindoro hugs SHADOW_V, waits for the mean man to go away ** | |
| [16:54:48] | ** J-e-f-f-A laughs ;-) ** | |
| [16:54:52] | SHADOW_V: | there there its going to be ok |
| [16:55:45] | meshe: | hopefully i'll get 5 minutes to play with myth this weekend, I haven't had a chance to in weeks |
| [16:55:46] | J-e-f-f-A: | Now wombo, you go stand in the corner until you're ready to come out and apologize! |
| [16:56:04] | wombo: | ? |
| [16:56:08] | wombo: | What I do :) |
| [16:56:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | wombo: just having some fun... ;-) |
| [16:56:18] | wombo: | lol |
| [16:56:29] | wombo: | I think it looks good hence we wanting to try it out |
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| [16:56:40] | wombo: | lol |
| [16:56:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | wombo (you have been following the session, right? ;-) ) |
| [16:56:48] | wombo: | in and out |
| [16:57:15] | wombo: | but if it helps it already the weekend here |
| [16:57:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | 4 hrs to go here... |
| [16:57:42] | meshe: | wombo: sure, rub it in :S |
| [16:57:56] | meshe: | ;) |
| [16:58:09] | wombo: | but I start work on Sunday through this week :( |
| [16:58:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | Ah, and it's after midnight too... ;-) |
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| [16:59:38] | meshe: | i just got a camperized van from my grandfather, i want to go camping *grumbles that her husband works saturdays* |
| [16:59:55] | SHADOW_V: | can he telecommute |
| [17:00:05] | meshe: | he's a bank teller... |
| [17:01:00] | meshe: | night be a tad difficult, plus i don't want his customers coming to our camp spot ;) |
| [17:01:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | -sign- called Verizon last-night to switch to FiOS TV – seems there's no movie channels included, wheras on dish I get Encore and a couple of Starz channels included... $15/month extra for 45 movie channels... I dunno.. I told them I'd think about it and call back later. if I was still interested... |
| [17:01:34] | tmkt: | mythtv remote iphone ap is nice |
| [17:01:44] | meshe: | mymote? |
| [17:01:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | meshe: computerized van? Like KITT From Knight rider? ;-) |
| [17:02:09] | gbee: | muppet |
| [17:02:24] | meshe: | camperized silly :) fridge, stove, furnace, sink, hidabed |
| [17:02:24] | iamlindoro: | We're gonna need to use turbo mode! (cranks framerate to 3x) |
| [17:02:42] | meshe: | though it will be computerized eventually |
| [17:02:44] | tmkt: | RRgh |
| [17:02:50] | meshe: | i need a pet project |
| [17:03:07] | meshe: | tmkt: i didn't like RRgh, i found mymote to be much nicer |
| [17:03:24] | J-e-f-f-A: | meshe: Oops, I guess I read your initial comment with my geek glasses on... come to find out it does say "cAMPerized"... ;-) |
| [17:03:25] | tmkt: | ah..will try when available for 3.0 |
| [17:03:46] | ** iamlindoro wonders about naming an application after the sounds you make while talking to the dentist ** | |
| [17:03:53] | meshe: | is mymote broken for 3.0? hmm... |
| [17:04:32] | tmkt: | yeah, waiting for approval from apple to be put on the app store |
| [17:04:32] | meshe: | load up fine on my 3.0 3G |
| [17:04:36] | tmkt: | ah |
| [17:04:38] | meshe: | though i'm not near my myth box |
| [17:04:44] | tmkt: | didn't try...just the comment on the page when I went to DL it |
| [17:04:55] | tmkt: | it said wait for the 3.0 approved one |
| [17:05:05] | ** J-e-f-f-A wants a Google Android phone on Verizon... But that will probably never happen :-( ** | |
| [17:05:35] | meshe: | i looked at the google phones, but they don't allow tethering, which is a must for me now |
| [17:05:59] | iamlindoro: | I need actual button feedback when using a remote, I don't like having to look at the remote to use it |
| [17:05:59] | meshe: | i'm sticking to iPhone for now, picking up a 3GS next week |
| [17:06:34] | meshe: | iamlindoro: i've found that we only use the iPhone for a remote when we're outside listening to music or have lost the IR remote |
| [17:06:44] | tmkt: | yeah..got the 3gs on Tuesday |
| [17:07:07] | tmkt: | lam..what I like about rrgh...is the program guide is on the iphone |
| [17:07:13] | tmkt: | so you just scroll through, and select the show |
| [17:07:28] | tmkt: | so you don't need the tactile feedback you'd want if you were just going channel up/down |
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| [17:07:37] | meshe: | tmkt: mymote has that too |
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| [17:07:44] | iamlindoro: | channel... up... down? |
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| [17:07:49] | iamlindoro: | If that for that live TV thing? |
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| [17:07:55] | wombo: | Android does do tethering |
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| [17:08:03] | iamlindoro: | Wouldn't know anything about using channel buttons |
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| [17:08:13] | iamlindoro: | LiveTV is for suckas |
| [17:08:16] | meshe: | Tuner Tester (Watch TV) |
| [17:08:23] | wombo: | theres 2 ways to do it, one with root the other without root |
| [17:08:27] | wombo: | ive used both |
| [17:08:42] | meshe: | wombo: it's native to the iPhone now |
| [17:08:48] | wombo: | meshe, that was a prereq for me before I switched from iphone to Android |
| [17:09:36] | wombo: | is that in 3.0? |
| [17:09:49] | meshe: | i'm on the bus and trains for 2.5 – 3 hours a day, tethering is a must for me too |
| [17:09:52] | meshe: | wombo: yeah |
| [17:10:01] | wombo: | iamlindoro, got the theme up and running |
| [17:10:12] | wombo: | ive got no recordings or anything and it is still cool |
| [17:10:19] | meshe: | with bluetooth tethering it's linux compatible too, my 1000HE connects to it like a dream |
| [17:10:31] | wombo: | ahh |
| [17:10:59] | wombo: | I liked the android version as it just makes it into a wifi/bluetooth router |
| [17:11:07] | wombo: | so anyone can use it that im with |
| [17:11:26] | SHADOW_V: | i am sure the palm pre will be able to do that |
| [17:11:27] | wombo: | But when they go to use it my phone beeps so I can approve there MAC address |
| [17:11:29] | SHADOW_V: | i dont see why not |
| [17:11:35] | meshe: | i didn't like the fact that you had to set up an adhoc netowrk with the iphone before, it was a pain |
| [17:11:44] | wombo: | yeah agree |
| [17:12:11] | meshe: | palm just shut down talk of tethering on the pre |
| [17:12:15] | meshe: | sprint didn't like it |
| [17:12:18] | wombo: | its got that apple of done it as there is a precedence there now by a major, previously it has all been addon apps |
| [17:12:27] | SHADOW_V: | meshe, please there are already ways to tether it |
| [17:12:30] | wombo: | apple have got alot of power |
| [17:13:51] | tmkt: | my 3Gs seems to be having BT issues |
| [17:13:55] | tmkt: | just sits there searching forever |
| [17:14:09] | meshe: | i just prefer that it's official and not a hack |
| [17:14:51] | meshe: | (not that i didn't use JB and pdanet before 3.0) |
| [17:15:49] | meshe: | hmmm, twittering is potentially deadly: http://idle.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/06/24/1635206 |
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| [17:20:52] | CyberKnet: | aaah man. I was looking at the window thinking "it's really weird that nothing has happened at all in the last three hours." ... then noticed I was scrolled WAY back. d'oh! |
| [17:23:46] | kormoc: | That's too bad, you missed a talking dog juggle banana cream pies |
| [17:24:05] | ** meshe laughs ** | |
| [17:24:08] | iamlindoro: | 2dogs2creampie |
| [17:24:13] | iamlindoro: | 1creampie that is |
| [17:24:22] | meshe: | as the stomach churns |
| [17:24:43] | ** iamlindoro cues up the youtube reaction videos ** | |
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| [17:29:46] | iamlindoro: | So the Michael Jackson death has already become predictably weird |
| [17:30:02] | iamlindoro: | LAPD towed his doctor's car as evidence and are looking for him but can't find him |
| [17:30:22] | iamlindoro: | where the second two hims=the doctor |
| [17:31:20] | kormoc: | It was all a plot by North Korea to distract us from their fueling of their missiles... |
| [17:31:39] | wombo: | I am not gonna blame it on the sunshine, or the moonlight, or the good times |
| [17:31:51] | kormoc: | wombo, that was really not right for #mythtv.... |
| [17:32:01] | wombo: | yeah wrong thread |
| [17:32:11] | wombo: | :) |
| [17:33:02] | iamlindoro: | And apparently the doc maybe/probably OD'd him on Demerol |
| [17:34:06] | kormoc: | reading tmz.com eh? |
| [17:34:21] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, http://whymichaeljacksondied.com/ |
| [17:34:51] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: I have facebook friends who are apparently very interested |
| [17:35:40] | iamlindoro: | HAHAHA |
| [17:35:42] | iamlindoro: | "Food poisoning...he ate some 12 year old nuts." |
| [17:36:14] | laga_: | "tickets for the jackson 5 reunion concerts now with a 20% discount" |
| [17:36:50] | wombo: | haha |
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| [17:37:14] | wombo: | That was my first thought when I heard the news. What about the concerts? |
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| [17:41:21] | CyberKnet: | *groan* ... food poisoning? |
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| [17:41:57] | CyberKnet: | were they too acidic or something? |
| [17:45:08] | ** kormoc wonders why CyberKnet is baiting folks to continue down that line... ** | |
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| [17:50:53] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: I am foreign in this country, not understanding the language you use... |
| [17:51:23] | CyberKnet: | This "american" ... not like the language in the old country (Australia) |
| [17:51:52] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [17:52:13] | kormoc: | Just wondering if why you seemed to want people to keep commenting about the taste of those nuts... |
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| [17:56:13] | CyberKnet: | No, definitely no desire for description of the taste, thank you :) |
| [17:57:50] | laga_: | ls |
| [17:57:52] | laga_: | oops |
| [17:58:03] | CyberKnet: | su - |
| [17:58:26] | iamlindoro: | # |
| [17:58:30] | iamlindoro: | . |
| [17:58:31] | iamlindoro: | .. |
| [17:58:36] | iamlindoro: | sheisseporn |
| [17:58:49] | CyberKnet: | ^D |
| [17:58:50] | CyberKnet: | ^D |
| [17:58:52] | CyberKnet: | ^D |
| [17:59:05] | iamlindoro: | mv sheisseporn not_sheisseporn |
| [17:59:08] | iamlindoro: | whew! |
| [17:59:15] | CyberKnet: | crisis averted |
| [17:59:29] | CyberKnet: | no desire for tubgirl flashbacks, thankyou |
| [18:00:20] | laga_: | thanks. |
| [18:00:39] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [18:00:53] | ** CyberKnet wonders if kormoc has something in his eye that is making him blink so much ** | |
| [18:00:57] | gbee: | o ... k ... |
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| [18:01:10] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, I blink when I'm at a loss for words |
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| [18:01:20] | laga_: | niveau is not a skin lotion ;) |
| [18:01:23] | ** iamlindoro notes kormoc constant blinking around him ** | |
| [18:01:25] | iamlindoro: | hmmmm |
| [18:03:40] | kormoc: | correlation or causality? The world may never know... |
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| [18:03:46] | iamlindoro: | hehe |
| [18:04:13] | iamlindoro: | ooooooh stuarta got yelllled at.... |
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| [18:05:01] | laga_: | orly? |
| [18:07:12] | iamlindoro: | The semi-annoying guy who posted to daniel's tracking ticket for the "delete all channel info" for the new channel scanner also whined on the dev list in response to a post from Stuart |
| [18:07:37] | gbee: | from the guy who can't express his problem very clearly, his initial comment in Trac just left me baffled |
| [18:08:32] | laga_: | ah, just saw it on -dev |
| [18:08:33] | ** kormoc wishes for a Ticket closed, status: "I have no idea WTF you are saying" ** | |
| [18:08:50] | iamlindoro: | closed->suckit |
| [18:09:14] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: closed->status->GDIAF? |
| [18:09:16] | gbee: | I'm starting to see what he's saying, but he's not articulating the problem very well and his frustration as a result is turning into anger ... just another Friday on the internet |
| [18:09:23] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, yes! |
| [18:09:41] | kormoc: | %s/Fri// |
| [18:10:21] | wombo: | hey a new version of LCDproc has been released 0.5.3 |
| [18:10:33] | gbee: | personally I've little respect for people who resort to screaming about something being a bug and that we must fix it, even if I've been in that position myself in the past, it's just not productive |
| [18:10:36] | wombo: | it nor support iMon LCD's OOB including icons |
| [18:10:42] | wombo: | <now |
| [18:11:23] | laga_: | gbee: i occasionally scream about my own bugs. ;) |
| [18:11:42] | iamlindoro: | It should do, it's been ages since the last LCDProc release |
| [18:12:00] | tmkt: | does it support M-play 202 |
| [18:12:16] | wombo: | dont know |
| [18:12:33] | wombo: | 0.5.2 was on 27-04–2007 |
| [18:12:37] | tmkt: | ah |
| [18:12:39] | wombo: | < aussie date format :) |
| [18:12:42] | tmkt: | long time ago |
| [18:12:47] | tmkt: | same as Canadian |
| [18:12:54] | tmkt: | commonwealth date format |
| [18:13:07] | wombo: | canadia follows Aus |
| [18:13:15] | wombo: | :) |
| [18:13:37] | wombo: | actually nah were both sheep to the motherland |
| [18:13:55] | laga_: | so they got raped? |
| [18:14:15] | CyberKnet: | Said as an aussie: Only if they lived in NZ, I would think. |
| [18:14:56] | ** CyberKnet waits for the blink ** | |
| [18:15:11] | tmkt: | can't be that hard to get an LCD going |
| [18:15:19] | ** kormoc double blinks ** | |
| [18:15:26] | iamlindoro: | you must not have tried before |
| [18:15:28] | CyberKnet: | and there you have it. |
| [18:16:20] | tmkt: | nope..going to give it a shot though |
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| [18:16:46] | laga_: | holy crap michael jackson could dance |
| [18:17:14] | tmkt: | probably taught by an assie |
| [18:17:30] | laga_: | nice typo |
| [18:17:44] | CyberKnet: | I'd have to object. |
| [18:18:09] | laga_: | one day, i'm going to visit australia |
| [18:18:16] | CyberKnet: | me too ;P |
| [18:18:19] | wombo: | cya all |
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| [18:18:24] | CyberKnet: | alter wombo |
| [18:18:27] | CyberKnet: | later, even |
| [18:18:43] | wombo: | what am I doing at am alter? |
| [18:19:01] | wombo: | :) |
| [18:19:59] | tmkt: | ok |
| [18:20:06] | tmkt: | seems the Mplay 202 Is – HD44780 Compatible |
| [18:20:12] | tmkt: | and lcdproc supports it |
| [18:20:35] | tmkt: | so..guess time to read some docs |
| [18:20:39] | tmkt: | and get it going |
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| [18:23:56] | gnome42: | gbee, iamlindoro, kormoc: Can I gently lobby you guys for a little tolerance/understanding. I don't read that much whining or anger in that post to the dev list, some frustration, yes. But it looks to be mainly a communication problem. He likely does have a real issue of some sort (which I don't understand), but as gbee said is not communicating it well and is confused/frustrated by our trac policies (which is common). |
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| [18:25:00] | gnome42: | Just a thought, no biggie :) |
| [18:25:08] | tmkt: | thinking my lcd problem is usb related..dont seem to see anything related to it in lsusb |
| [18:25:34] | iamlindoro: | gnome42: Was only poking gentle fun, don't actually have any personal animosity towards the guy |
| [18:25:37] | kormoc: | Heh, we weren't picking on him, just the general concept of tickets that make no sense :) |
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| [18:26:34] | Mode for #mythtv-users by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. : +v gbee | |
| [18:26:48] | iamlindoro: | Sssh, he's here, talk about something else! |
| [18:26:57] | ** iamlindoro whistles nonchalantly ** | |
| [18:27:42] | kormoc: | After that conversation, what can anyone say? |
| [18:28:17] | ** iamlindoro submits his hand for slapping ** | |
| [18:28:27] | gbee: | that was too close for comfort, moving a binary from /usr/bin I typo'd a space "/usr/bin/ kwrited /usr/bin/kwrited_moved" ... cue lots of crashiness |
| [18:28:51] | ** gbee just ignores them ** | |
| [18:29:02] | kormoc: | youch |
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| [18:29:35] | gnome42: | heh, yeah. I understand it wasn't malicious but it could give the wrong impression thats all. :) |
| [18:31:19] | iamlindoro: | I on't mind giving the impression that silliness and impatience will be met with teasing ;) |
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| [18:31:52] | iamlindoro: | But I guess that's why my patches live in trac and I don't get a vote on things ;) |
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| [18:32:14] | tmkt: | Think this would be my LCD? |
| [18:32:14] | tmkt: | Bus 004 Device 002: ID 0403:6001 Future Technology Devices International, Ltd FT232 USB-Serial (UART) IC - |
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| [18:32:39] | iamlindoro: | That's a USB to serial bridge |
| [18:32:44] | iamlindoro: | which your LCD may well use |
| [18:32:50] | iamlindoro: | but anyone would be guessing |
| [18:32:55] | tmkt: | Hmm guess easiest way to find out is to unplug it |
| [18:32:58] | tmkt: | and see if its still there |
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| [18:34:40] | gbee: | gnome42: always do my best to remain tolerant, just found the initial posting to trac (after he'd already been told that it was not the place for the discussion) to be a little aggressive, I wasn't prepared to get into an argument with someone who appeared to have already formed an opinion and decided to take the attitude "I'm right, your wrong" |
| [18:34:54] | gbee: | you're |
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| [18:36:09] | ** kormoc wonders if gbee has a second nick in here ** | |
| [18:36:26] | gnome42: | iamlindoro: Good natured teasing is cool, but I think the communication problem should be at least identified first. :) |
| [18:36:44] | iamlindoro: | fair enough |
| [18:36:51] | gbee: | he's still misunderstanding a few things, but seems determined not to accept that, his reference to "*keeps that cache even after deleting the channel*" is demonstrably wrong, at least with respect to the behaviour of -fixes and unless I'm very mistaken, trunk doesn't function that way either |
| [18:37:00] | gbee: | kormoc: Beirdo's logs ;) |
| [18:37:04] | kormoc: | ahh! |
| [18:37:09] | hume: | hi.....I accidentally set the wrong language on a frontend connected to a backend on another machine – how do I change that? the settings table in the mythconverge database shows the right language, that is, not the one now used on the frontend. So how do I find this setting on the frontend machine? |
| [18:37:38] | kormoc: | hume, try checking your config.xml? |
| [18:37:42] | gbee: | don't touch the database directly |
| [18:38:19] | ** MythLogBot slaps kormoc with a get with it trout on behalf of DuhKormoc... ** | |
| [18:38:45] | ** kormoc eyes iamlindoro ** | |
| [18:38:54] | ** iamlindoro looks around for the culprit ** | |
| [18:38:59] | hume: | config.xml seems not to say anyting about language....? |
| [18:39:09] | hume: | gbee, don't, just look...:) |
| [18:39:16] | gbee: | language settings can be changed through the general settings, but a shortcut would be to delete ~/.mythtv/config.xml and ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [18:39:24] | ** kormoc wonders if iamlindoro knows about /whowas ** | |
| [18:39:42] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: um... my box has been rooted by dustybin? |
| [18:39:50] | gnome42: | gbee: Yeah, I understand. And you are extremely tolerant and generous, I've gained greatly from that generosity myself. I can't fault you for anything. :) |
| [18:39:50] | gbee: | guess we need a switch to force the display of the language prompt |
| [18:39:57] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: the cur! |
| [18:40:20] | hume: | gbee, slight problem is that I set it to polish, which is a language I dont understand, so it is hard even to find "general settings" |
| [18:40:27] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, I am amazed you would admit to such a thing! |
| [18:40:52] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: only admittable when it's funny ;) |
| [18:40:56] | iamlindoro: | like Roger Rabbit |
| [18:40:59] | kormoc: | Heh, fair 'nuff |
| [18:41:02] | hume: | but there seems to be no language setting in neither config.xml nor in mysql.txt....? |
| [18:41:11] | iamlindoro: | my secret shame... |
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| [18:41:23] | kormoc: | hume, then it's purely in the database, you restarted the FE? |
| [18:41:46] | gbee: | hume: the setting is in the database, but deleting those config files forces the language prompt to be displayed on startup because it can't see the database anymore |
| [18:42:16] | hume: | ok....got it....i'll try deleting them. thx |
| [18:42:42] | gbee: | you can then just plug in the database details again, it's not really a great solution, but it's the only one which doesn't involve digging around in the database (or an understanding of Polish) |
| [18:43:33] | gbee: | I'll add an option to mythfrontend to force display of the language prompt now that I'm aware it's an issue |
| [18:49:16] | gbee: | conditional on my remembering this conversation a week from now |
| [18:51:10] | gnome42: | There is no shorter route to those beloved ego issues than a straight forward misunderstanding. :)) |
| [18:52:31] | gbee: | gnome42: aye, it gets really, really tiring after a while |
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| [18:53:07] | gnome42: | true, true, it does indeed. |
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| [18:55:53] | sphery: | gbee and hume : pretty sure that you can force the language prompt with mythfrontend -p |
| [18:56:08] | sphery: | (where -p == --prompt) |
| [18:56:56] | kormoc: | Ugh, even Pandora is playing MJ more then usual.... |
| [18:57:42] | jblack: | wooooo hooo hoooo yoooouuu! |
| [18:59:21] | tmkt: | any way to figure out what /dev/tty the usb-serial maps too? |
| [18:59:30] | gbee: | sphery: funny, I was going to suggest that until I convinced myself that -p only forced the backend selection prompt |
| [19:00:02] | gbee: | heh, yeah, -p does work |
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| [19:00:17] | sphery: | I have to admit that I didn't try it, but looking at the code it appears.. |
| [19:00:21] | sphery: | ok, so you verified |
| [19:00:29] | sphery: | much quicker than explaining my path through the code :) |
| [19:00:46] | sphery: | gbee: so, one more thing to mark off your TODO list as complete! |
| [19:01:43] | sphery: | gbee: though, to avoid confusion, it might be nice to modify the --help output to say: Always prompt for Mythbackend and language selection. |
| [19:02:27] | sphery: | (and I'd even say that it should be either "Myth backend" or "MythTV backend" or "mythbackend" since "Mythbackend" seems very weird) |
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| [19:10:30] | dustybin: | how can one delete a group of recordings? im in the delete recordings menu but can only delete 1 recording at a time |
| [19:10:45] | dustybin: | mythweb also only allows one to delete one recording at a time |
| [19:11:04] | gbee: | press / to add them to a playlist, then "Playlist Options > Delete All" or something like that |
| [19:11:23] | dustybin: | gbee: aye ok thanks! |
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| [19:12:05] | gbee: | or with the group selected, "Add group to playlist", etc |
| [19:12:23] | dustybin: | right ok, all these functions are pretty hidden |
| [19:12:34] | gbee: | aye |
| [19:13:43] | dustybin: | i think mythweb could do with delete group features |
| [19:14:00] | ** dustybin doesnt know how to code :P ** | |
| [19:14:30] | iamlindoro: | I think we should all have ponies that be cotton candy |
| [19:14:36] | iamlindoro: | er pee |
| [19:15:08] | dustybin: | there is a bug in my setup |
| [19:15:16] | dustybin: | everything works fine apart from 1 thing |
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| [19:15:32] | iamlindoro: | the thing between the couch and the remote? |
| [19:15:49] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I was going to say, if the pony be cotton candy, you couldn't ride it in the rain--it would melt |
| [19:16:13] | dustybin: | if i am watching live tv, and i then flip back into the main menu, everything goes blank, apart from the background from the theme, i can still navigate into menus, then the text re-appears |
| [19:16:27] | dustybin: | the main menu stays blank |
| [19:16:33] | bobbob1016: | Anyone successfully get a G1 to work as a MythTV remote? I installed an app on my G1 to do it, but it says it can't connect, I nabled network remote interface, and gave the app the right port, and still nothing, any ideas? |
| [19:16:42] | dustybin: | if i am watching recordings, the menu seems to always be ok |
| [19:16:58] | dustybin: | its the switch from livetv >> main menu, there is some kind of problem |
| [19:17:02] | kormoc: | bobbob1016, is it on the wifi? any firewalls enabled? |
| [19:18:05] | bobbob1016: | kormoc: It is on wifi, no firewalls, at least none I enabled myself. I can SSH into the machine without issue, so I'd think no firewalls. |
| [19:18:19] | kormoc: | bobbob1016, telnet to the frontend? |
| [19:18:20] | ** iamlindoro wonders if the app does something silly like use the mythweb remote as its interface ** | |
| [19:18:29] | kormoc: | that'd be amusing |
| [19:19:02] | kormoc: | I really do need to theme the ipod/iphone/g1 remote interface |
| [19:19:14] | kormoc: | It's all there, just gotta write the display code |
| [19:19:40] | bobbob1016: | I could do it bluetooth too, just not sure how to set that up either. |
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| [19:24:50] | bobbob1016: | kormoc: I just connected to myth via vnc from the g1, so I figure it isn't a firewall thing. |
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| [19:25:22] | kormoc: | bobbob1016, so telnet to the frontend and see if you get the prompt? |
| [19:27:35] | bobbob1016: | kormoc: Trying to now, from the desktop first |
| [19:27:41] | bobbob1016: | this desktop* |
| [19:28:10] | sphery: | perhaps it's the old, "did it once, but didn't close the telnet session on the client side, so when it got killed, the frontend quit listening," bug you fixed only in trunk, kormoc? |
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| [19:29:24] | kormoc: | it could very well be |
| [19:29:36] | iamlindoro: | Fool me once, shame on you... Fool me twice... can't get fooled again? |
| [19:30:19] | bobbob1016: | So, reboot it? |
| [19:30:25] | kormoc: | bobbob1016, if it's just hanging, then it's likely the bug, restarting the frontend should allow it to listen again |
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| [19:31:38] | kormoc: | bobbob1016, also the frontend logs should show it as well |
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| [19:33:46] | bobbob1016: | kormoc: Where would I find said logs, /var/log/what? |
| [19:34:20] | sphery: | depends on what the script that started mythfrontend put after the -l (log) argument :) |
| [19:34:40] | sphery: | (or, some don't use -l, and do a redirect, but the same idea applies) |
| [19:34:51] | bobbob1016: | I found something in /var/log/mythtv/, has a bunch of mythfrontend.log files |
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| [19:36:07] | bobbob1016: | I telneted in from this machine, so I think I figured out the setting I did wrong |
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| [19:43:15] | bobbob1016: | kormoc: You know the default telnet port on myth? I think I changed it, and this app doesn't let you give it a custom port |
| [19:43:38] | bobbob1016: | 6546? |
| [19:43:40] | sphery: | Soon to be seen in MythTV retail boxes: LiveTV inspected by elmojo! :) |
| [19:43:44] | kormoc: | Aye, I believe 6546 |
| [19:43:51] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [19:44:17] | elmojo: | sphery: somebody has to do it |
| [19:45:24] | iamlindoro: | It'll be good to have a name to blame for LiveTV |
| [19:45:53] | sphery: | elmojo: Yeah... I really appreciate all the work you and gnome42 are doing on LiveTV. It's something that users seem to care about, so the issues with it tend to cause a lot of complaining. (Just hasn't been enough to motivate me to work on something I'll never use. :) |
| [19:46:32] | bobbob1016: | kormoc: It works, too bad only for myth and not mplayer though. |
| [19:47:23] | elmojo: | LiveTV got really bad in trunk until gnome42 starting working his magic |
| [19:48:00] | elmojo: | sphery, iamlindor: i'm changing my nick once LiveTV is "solid" |
| [19:48:43] | sphery: | yeah, and it has enough issues in 0.21-fixes that he's done for trunk should make a lot of people happy when 0.22 is released |
| [19:49:04] | elmojo: | no doubt, it failed on me all the time in 0.21-fixes |
| [19:50:18] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: question – why do you think AVI is a better container than MKV for HD-PVR transcodes? |
| [19:50:33] | elmojo: | editing capability? |
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| [19:53:10] | iamlindoro: | elmojo: Naw, audio sync is better when using AVIDemux straight into AVI, but seeking is broken |
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| [19:53:24] | iamlindoro: | so cut->AVI->remux to MKV gets you better audio syn and seeking working |
| [19:53:27] | elmojo: | ok, good to know |
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| [19:54:02] | iamlindoro: | All shortcomings of AVIDemux, as it should all be possible in one step, it just doesn't work that way for whatever reason |
| [19:54:12] | elmojo: | i'm finding cutting with ProjectX doesn't always work |
| [19:54:38] | iamlindoro: | Don't think PRojectX can even handle H.264, can it? |
| [19:54:40] | elmojo: | i'll have to try AVIDemux then, especially since it supports more than just MPEG-2 |
| [19:54:50] | elmojo: | i don't think so |
| [19:55:10] | iamlindoro: | yeah, AVIDemux is really the only option outside of using dd + byte offsets to cut HD-PVR stuff |
| [19:55:40] | meshe: | that sounds painful |
| [19:56:03] | iamlindoro: | In a perfect world someone would look at Mythtranscode and have it check codec, and if it's not MPEG-2, to do GOP-level cutting in TSes |
| [19:56:12] | iamlindoro: | as GOP cuts are literally just copies |
| [19:56:39] | elmojo: | does Mythtranscode still create bad av sync? |
| [19:56:53] | elmojo: | that's why I abandoned it in the first place |
| [19:56:54] | iamlindoro: | mythtranscode works great for me, always has, but lossless is MPEG-2 only |
| [19:57:14] | iamlindoro: | I have (I guess) been lucky and always done well w/ mythtranscode |
| [19:57:31] | gbee: | lossless mpeg-2 has always worked perfectly for me |
| [19:57:50] | elmojo: | k, I should try it again then |
| [19:58:17] | JEDIDIAH__: | livetv is probably more of a waf issue than anything else. |
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| [19:59:06] | JEDIDIAH__: | trunk mythtranscode loses all of my closed captions. |
| [19:59:07] | jblack: | I'm not the only person that can't/doesn't watch livetv? |
| [19:59:38] | ** JEDIDIAH__ doesn't watch (livetv) much ** | |
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| [20:00:01] | JEDIDIAH__: | when you want to watch the tornado reports it's handy... |
| [20:00:09] | jblack: | my wireless network isn't up to it. even if it was, I'm not sure my front ends would be up to it |
| [20:00:33] | jblack: | my backend is already creaking under the string of trying to record more than 2 things at a time. |
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| [20:03:50] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: (unless that's a new bug in trunk) it won't lose EIA-608 captions with a lossless transcode. |
| [20:04:07] | sphery: | you may need to request them specifically, to use them, though |
| [20:05:00] | sphery: | (i.e. TOGGLECC may not work, you may need TOGGLECC608 |
| [20:05:31] | gbee: | stored in the frame, rather than a private data stream? |
| [20:05:53] | gbee: | lossless transcoding does strip DVB subtitles unfortunately |
| [20:06:10] | sphery: | "line 22 captions", but don't know exactly how it works... I just know that I get them even after lossless transcode in -fixes |
| [20:06:33] | sphery: | originally they were part of the video signal, but now in MPEG??? |
| [20:06:54] | gbee: | ok, so VBI |
| [20:07:01] | sphery: | yeah, and I'd guess it will strip EIA-708 captions (as they're definitely a separate stream) |
| [20:07:06] | sphery: | yeah, originally VBI |
| [20:08:10] | sphery: | guess it was "line 21 captions" :) |
| [20:09:18] | sphery: | according to wikipedia, though, they're in picture user data in ATSC transmissions |
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| [20:09:40] | sphery: | can be at the sequence level, GOP level, or picture data level |
| [20:10:40] | sphery: | funny enough, though, EIA-708 captions are also in picture user data... Now I'll have to check a losslessly-transcoded recording to see if it has EIA-708 captions, too |
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| [20:11:30] | JEDIDIAH__: | I don't do lossless transcodes. |
| [20:11:54] | JEDIDIAH__: | OTOH, there was an apparent problem with Russian titles in mythvideo that seems to have sorted itself out. |
| [20:12:08] | CyberKnet: | sphery: weirdest thing. When I did a factory reset in the WRT54GS, Tomato showed up. |
| [20:12:42] | CyberKnet: | I had tried to flash tomato on there at one point in time, but it failed. Weird, eh? :) |
| [20:12:45] | JEDIDIAH__: | my captions go missing for SD and HD content both. |
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| [20:13:35] | sphery: | CyberKnet: strange |
| [20:13:54] | sphery: | JEDIDIAH__: yeah, if you don't do lossless, you'll lose all captions/teletext/subtitles |
| [20:14:20] | sphery: | CyberKnet: glad you got it working, though |
| [20:15:15] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...it didn't used to be that way. |
| [20:15:29] | sphery: | pretty sure it always has |
| [20:16:04] | JEDIDIAH__: | I've been agressively transcoding up until the first 0.22 trunk version I built. no problems with CC's until then. |
| [20:16:11] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/231851#231851 + http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/231852#231852 |
| [20:16:29] | dustybin: | how can one tell the exact version of mythweb? |
| [20:17:02] | sphery: | from inside the mythweb source dir: svn info |
| [20:17:24] | sphery: | if your installed mythweb is installed without svn data, you'll have to rely on packager info |
| [20:17:51] | dustybin: | holy cows |
| [20:17:56] | dustybin: | one can svn update the mythweb dir |
| [20:18:01] | dustybin: | i didnt know that |
| [20:18:07] | dustybin: | thanks :D |
| [20:18:17] | dustybin: | Updated to revision 20746. |
| [20:18:31] | sphery: | dustybin: though if you do that, make sure you also update your mythtv and mythplugins to the same rev |
| [20:18:37] | sphery: | otherwise, things may not work |
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| [20:18:48] | JEDIDIAH__: | ...ok, so basically it was "supposed to be broken" already. |
| [20:19:24] | dustybin: | sphery: aye done that already :D |
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| [20:23:12] | gbee: | nothing has changed with transcoding from 0.21 that I know of |
| [20:23:54] | tmkt: | any lcdproc experts here? no matter what I do.. lis.so isn't being created |
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| [20:26:49] | iamlindoro: | [11:15 AM] tmkt: can't be that hard to get an LCD going |
| [20:26:59] | iamlindoro: | I said at the time they were famous last words ;) |
| [20:27:01] | tmkt: | it isn't |
| [20:27:11] | tmkt: | but...lis.so isn't being created |
| [20:27:15] | tmkt: | every other driver in the world is |
| [20:27:29] | tmkt: | even yinst install lcdproc |
| [20:27:32] | tmkt: | I mean apt-get install |
| [20:27:41] | tmkt: | includes all but lis.so |
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| [20:31:16] | tmkt: | looks like it's the configures fault |
| [20:31:20] | tmkt: | for not mentioning missing libs |
| [20:32:38] | tmkt: | configure: WARNING: The lis driver needs the ftdi library |
| [20:35:00] | thedarkone: | i messed up |
| [20:43:10] | iamlindoro: | Galactica Fans, set Virtuality to record tonight on Fox |
| [20:43:12] | tmkt: | seems like a bug in lcdproc..have the ftdi libs installed |
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| [20:43:37] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:44:05] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: hm? |
| [20:44:17] | kormoc: | tmiw, what about the ftdi-devel/dev/etc libs? |
| [20:44:37] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [20:44:40] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, you think I only blink for you? |
| [20:44:43] | tmkt: | have those installed |
| [20:44:51] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: I can hope ;) |
| [20:44:57] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [20:45:01] | tmkt: | ii libftdi-dev 0.13–2 Development files for libftdi |
| [20:45:01] | tmkt: | ii libftdi1 0.13–2 Library to control and program the FTDI USB |
| [20:45:17] | kormoc: | and they're in the right dirs that your ./configure is looking for? |
| [20:45:27] | kormoc: | check the configure log and see where it's failing and see what the check is |
| [20:46:02] | tmkt: | yeah...funny thing is..they pass |
| [20:46:03] | tmkt: | checking for LIBUSB... checking if libftdi support has been enabled... yes |
| [20:46:04] | tmkt: | configure: WARNING: The lis driver needs the ftdi library |
| [20:48:30] | kormoc: | verify you have ftci in your ldconfig output? |
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| [20:48:51] | kormoc: | (likely need a -v in there) |
| [20:48:58] | tmkt: | root@Napa:~/lcdproc-0.5.3# ldconfig -v|grep ftdi |
| [20:48:58] | tmkt: | /sbin/ldconfig.real: Can't stat /lib32: No such file or directory |
| [20:48:58] | tmkt: | libftdi.so.1 -> libftdi.so.1.13.0 |
| [20:49:26] | kormoc: | and that directory that it's in is being picked up by configure? |
| [20:49:42] | tmkt: | the lib32 thing is nothing |
| [20:49:52] | kormoc: | looking at the config it needs both ftdi.h and -lftdi to work |
| [20:50:17] | tmkt: | so I downloaded the source to FTDI |
| [20:50:27] | tmkt: | is their a param I can use to just point to that source? |
| [20:50:50] | kormoc: | give the source isn't really worthwhile until it's compiled and installed, not really |
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| [20:52:44] | tmkt: | what would you suggest? |
| [20:55:29] | iamlindoro: | Pretty sure he's suggesting you compile and install the libftdi source |
| [20:55:36] | tmkt: | ok |
| [20:55:42] | tmkt: | I'll give that a shot |
| [20:56:00] | tmkt: | so I should remove the ftdi and ftdi-dev packages |
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| [20:58:54] | tmkt: | no better... |
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| [21:21:43] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, looks like Justin may be one of the first Mythusers eligible for Freeview HD |
| [21:22:00] | iamlindoro: | And December 2nd, too, fairly soonish |
| [21:23:43] | iamlindoro: | 'course, will still need DVB-T2 tuners and linux hardware... |
| [21:23:51] | iamlindoro: | s/hardware/drivers/ |
| [21:23:54] | laga_: | heh |
| [21:24:00] | laga_: | that'll lead to a fair amount of ranting |
| [21:24:34] | iamlindoro: | http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/06/26/freeview . . . -december-2/ |
| [21:24:37] | iamlindoro: | Heh, most likely |
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| [22:13:45] | tmkt: | silly make files |
| [22:14:23] | tmkt: | pkg-config missing |
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| [22:28:53] | tmiw: | ugh, i'm not tmkt :P |
| [22:29:26] | tmkt: | now I think its time to get someone to come change my root password on my box...now that I have everything working perfectly |
| [22:29:35] | tmkt: | won't have to worry about me tinkering and messing something up |
| [22:30:06] | laga_: | /msg me your password |
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| [22:31:30] | tmkt: | I had to say something...front end just locked up while playing music |
| [22:31:33] | tmkt: | guess I have to tinker some more |
| [22:31:57] | SodaKille: | hello, i have libiec61883 installed and plugreport shows my firewire connected, i cannot execute the test-mpeg2 command. am i missing something to execute these files? |
| [22:31:58] | gbee: | mythfrontend, or the whole machine? |
| [22:32:37] | tmkt: | can't tell |
| [22:32:42] | tmkt: | I'm trying to ssh in |
| [22:32:45] | tmkt: | it responded |
| [22:32:49] | tmkt: | but not logged in yet |
| [22:32:58] | tmkt: | and the lcd keeps switching |
| [22:33:08] | tmkt: | so trying to ssh in and kill whatever is holding it up |
| [22:33:39] | tmkt: | whole machine |
| [22:33:48] | tmkt: | ctrl-alt backspace didn't work |
| [22:33:53] | tmkt: | reset button sure did though |
| [22:34:31] | SodaKille: | what do i need to run these scripts (test-mpeg2) ? |
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