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| [01:17:24] | dashcloud: | hi, I'm looking for a recommendation on a USB tuner that handles ClearQAM (and hopefully) multirec |
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| [01:19:42] | pembo13: | i have 3 (seeminly working) tuners, and one show listed for 8pm |
| [01:20:01] | pembo13: | that show was put for "later showing" with no later showing in the near future |
| [01:20:10] | pembo13: | i'd like to understand why |
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| [01:25:39] | pembo13: | is there any way to recalibrate mythtv's recording schedule or something? |
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| [01:43:12] | tmkt: | my favourite channel |
| [01:47:14] | wagnerrp: | dashcloud: check linuxtv.org for compatible cards |
| [01:50:31] | dashcloud: | thanks! |
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| [01:53:23] | pembo13: | is these something i'm supposed to do to myth once i add more cards |
| [01:53:24] | pembo13: | ? |
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| [02:21:17] | Shadow__X: | in mythweb ihave 2 different sources on my listing line up that share xmlid's on one of the channels when i select to record someting on one source for some reasons it setups a schedule on both sources |
| [02:23:32] | Shadow__X: | as far as i can tell it only happens on this one channel which is scifi |
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| [02:33:25] | xris: | Shadow__X: xmltvid is supposed to be unique |
| [02:33:55] | xris: | or are you saying that it's the same channel, but on different sources? |
| [02:34:12] | xris: | check out the "preferred input" setting for the recording schedule. |
| [02:34:13] | Shadow__X: | its the same channel different sources sorry |
| [02:34:21] | Shadow__X: | sorry for me not being clear |
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| [02:41:46] | Shadow__X: | xris,any ideas |
| [02:43:38] | superdug: | remove one of the sources :-) |
| [02:44:25] | Shadow__X: | i want both sources |
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| [02:54:30] | phunyguy: | lol i forgot how crappy the quality was on old Tube TVs |
| [02:54:38] | phunyguy: | can't even browse the web – too blurry |
| [02:54:47] | phunyguy: | set up a little TV box for my 4 year old |
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| [02:57:37] | Shadow__X: | is it something stupid i am missing? |
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| [03:02:38] | EvilBob: | I think I have some old stale recordings from a back up. Is there a way to clean things up that had been deleted in the past? |
| [03:03:16] | EvilBob: | Or that there are not db entries for? |
| [03:03:22] | wagnerrp: | myth.find_orphans.pl |
| [03:03:38] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,any ideas on my weird mythweb thing |
| [03:03:46] | Shadow__X: | is it something stupid |
| [03:05:15] | EvilBob: | wagnerrp: rock on, thanks, I never thought of "orphans" |
| [03:05:37] | wagnerrp: | Shadow__X: yeah... i have no idea |
| [03:06:33] | Shadow__X: | it only happens to that one channel which is weird because i can record all the other channels that share that multiplex fine at teh same time but that channel wants to record from qam and from stb at teh same time |
| [03:06:43] | Shadow__X: | i tried to cancel one recording but it cancels both |
| [03:07:17] | Shadow__X: | unless i am missing something the channel is setup like the others and they work fine |
| [03:09:03] | Shadow__X: | i thought i didnt fail at setup but this seems to point other wise |
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| [03:13:20] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro,any ideas? |
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| [03:45:34] | darkdrgn2k3: | hey guys |
| [03:45:55] | darkdrgn2k3: | which Disk Access Scheduling would you suggest for myth backends |
| [03:46:38] | kormoc_: | doesn't matter |
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| [03:47:20] | darkdrgn2k3: | really? |
| [03:47:22] | darkdrgn2k3: | hmm.. |
| [03:48:19] | kormoc: | unless you're slamming your io, any modern drive can handle things fine |
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| [03:52:15] | darkdrgn2k3: | good to know |
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| [04:16:35] | elmojo: | iamlindoro: i analyzed some 720p hd-pvr samples tonight and they were all legit 60 fps videos – no repeat frames so the current trunk av sync code should work fine |
| [04:18:35] | elmojo: | however MPEG-2 and H.264 broadcasts sometimes have telecine'd material that need to honor the repeat fields/frames |
| [04:20:12] | elmojo: | i have a patch for that but the H.264 parser in current trunk doesn't report repeat frames – however, the latest ffmpeg code does report them so when it's sync'd I can add support then |
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| [04:25:36] | thedarkone: | with ati is there any specail configure? |
| [04:26:16] | kormoc: | just the special configuration of removing the card and adding in an nvidia one |
| [04:26:32] | thedarkone: | lol |
| [04:26:45] | thedarkone: | well my nvidia one sucked |
| [04:27:11] | ** cesman agrees w/ kormoc ** | |
| [04:27:14] | wagnerrp: | what was your nvidia one? |
| [04:27:27] | cesman: | ati is going to suck far more |
| [04:27:29] | thedarkone: | 1024 9500 gt |
| [04:27:37] | wagnerrp: | how did it suck? |
| [04:27:40] | ** kormoc thinks that's not a sucky card ** | |
| [04:27:50] | cesman: | again |
| [04:27:52] | ** cesman agrees w/ kormoc ** | |
| [04:27:59] | thedarkone: | well when i had it installed took out sound |
| [04:28:15] | wagnerrp: | were you trying to use HDMI with analog audio? |
| [04:28:24] | thedarkone: | no |
| [04:28:27] | thedarkone: | compont |
| [04:28:49] | wagnerrp: | why component? |
| [04:29:13] | thedarkone: | well hemi worked but overscan was a bitch |
| [04:29:29] | wagnerrp: | overscan can be corrected very easily within mythtv |
| [04:29:39] | thedarkone: | yeah |
| [04:29:51] | thedarkone: | well this ati is really nice |
| [04:29:59] | thedarkone: | it a hd 2400 pro |
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| [04:30:27] | wagnerrp: | except its a several year old card, and no decode acceleration (if youre into that sort of thing) |
| [04:30:45] | wagnerrp: | and you still have to struggle with fglrx drivers |
| [04:30:50] | thedarkone: | on box it says it does |
| [04:31:00] | wagnerrp: | on the box, it expects youre using windows |
| [04:32:10] | Dagmar: | Amazing how a piece of cardboard's opinion carries more weight than a live person |
| [04:32:40] | thedarkone: | well i go back to onboard graphics |
| [04:32:47] | thedarkone: | that a nvidia |
| [04:32:52] | wagnerrp: | what model? |
| [04:35:05] | thedarkone: | never mind it a intel one |
| [04:35:47] | wagnerrp: | unless you want decode acceleration, and assuming it has the outputs you want, intel graphics will do just fine |
| [04:36:09] | wagnerrp: | i assume those things have enough power for the opengl painter? |
| [04:36:41] | thedarkone: | well i want just for dvds and hd |
| [04:37:00] | wagnerrp: | HDDVDs? or ATSC? |
| [04:37:13] | thedarkone: | well hddvd |
| [04:37:30] | wagnerrp: | what processor? |
| [04:38:34] | thedarkone: | http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/prodinfoCa . . . &lang=pt |
| [04:38:37] | thedarkone: | is pc i have |
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| [04:39:51] | Dagmar: | Offhand, it won't work |
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| [04:40:27] | thedarkone: | so it a hunk of junk |
| [04:40:27] | wagnerrp: | at least under windows, (non-mt) ffmpeg doesnt seem to handle VC-1 slicing |
| [04:40:32] | wagnerrp: | that processor wont cut it |
| [04:40:36] | wagnerrp: | better stick with the nvidia |
| [04:40:51] | Dagmar: | GMA 3100 chipset won't do any hardware accellerated decoding that I know of |
| [04:40:51] | thedarkone: | so quad core 2.4 won't work |
| [04:40:59] | thedarkone: | and 8 gigs of ram |
| [04:41:00] | wagnerrp: | you dont have a quad core |
| [04:41:16] | thedarkone: | i have a 775 quad core |
| [04:41:24] | wagnerrp: | or you linked to the wrong computer |
| [04:41:42] | Dagmar: | Well, HP has two options for that board that would be quad-processor, but this isn't currently an operation tht can be multi-threaded so the numer of cores doesn't matter. |
| [04:42:08] | thedarkone: | i see |
| [04:42:10] | wagnerrp: | whats the point of linking to a page if its not actually going to show the specs on your computer? |
| [04:42:15] | thedarkone: | time to buy a new pc |
| [04:42:25] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: That's as much as he could be bothered to do |
| [04:42:28] | wagnerrp: | no, just time to stick that nvidia card back in |
| [04:42:30] | thedarkone: | well it same mother board |
| [04:42:48] | wagnerrp: | or wait a couple months and hope ffmpeg-mt gets sync'd in |
| [04:43:27] | kormoc: | so rather then spend the time to fix the current box with the nvidia card, you're gonna buy a whole new computer eh? |
| [04:43:41] | thedarkone: | yeap |
| [04:43:49] | kormoc: | seems wasteful |
| [04:43:59] | wagnerrp: | want to throw some gravy my way? |
| [04:44:00] | kormoc: | as what are you gonna buy that's gonna 'fix' it? |
| [04:44:23] | thedarkone: | well a dual core |
| [04:44:36] | kormoc: | so a dual core is better then a quad core? |
| [04:44:37] | thedarkone: | gigabyte mother board |
| [04:44:39] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [04:44:47] | kormoc: | what's that gonna get you? |
| [04:45:07] | wagnerrp: | about 10 minutes of video |
| [04:45:12] | thedarkone: | more pci slots and a agp slot |
| [04:45:17] | wagnerrp: | AGP??? |
| [04:45:31] | thedarkone: | well nivida is a agp |
| [04:45:39] | kormoc: | oh lord |
| [04:45:44] | wagnerrp: | the 9500 is an AGP? |
| [04:45:45] | thedarkone: | and ati is a pci express x16 |
| [04:45:50] | thedarkone: | yes |
| [04:45:51] | kormoc: | how do you have a quad core with a agp slot? |
| [04:46:02] | thedarkone: | it don't |
| [04:46:10] | wagnerrp: | please, show us this mythical 9500 AGP |
| [04:46:11] | kormoc: | then how did you use the nvidia card? |
| [04:46:17] | thedarkone: | it only has pci express x16 |
| [04:46:38] | thedarkone: | i used it in my old pc |
| [04:46:56] | wagnerrp: | do you mean a Radon 9500? |
| [04:47:00] | wagnerrp: | Radeon |
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| [04:47:27] | thedarkone: | no pny nvidia 9500 gt |
| [04:47:27] | wagnerrp: | or maybe a GeForce 5900? |
| [04:47:53] | wagnerrp: | agp |
| [04:50:48] | thedarkone: | okay might been i bought at staples |
| [04:51:31] | wagnerrp: | well PNY will certainly have it on their website |
| [04:52:32] | wagnerrp: | this one? http://www3.pny.com/9500-GT-1024MB-PCIe-P2812C331.aspx |
| [04:52:42] | kormoc: | oh hey look, nvidia claims it's only pci-e! http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_9500gt_us.html |
| [04:53:06] | wagnerrp: | oh snap! |
| [04:53:46] | kormoc: | plus the 9500 gt was released in July 29, 2008, so the oldest card is less then a year old |
| [04:54:49] | kormoc: | plus, it never supported a gig of memory, only 256 megs |
| [04:54:58] | thedarkone: | yeap it is a pcie |
| [04:55:07] | Dagmar: | What, someone's claiming they have an AGP 9xxx card or something? |
| [04:55:26] | kormoc: | yes |
| [04:55:29] | kormoc: | well, he was |
| [04:55:39] | kormoc: | now he's claiming it's a pci-e card that was used in a agp slot |
| [04:55:40] | thedarkone: | they look damn same |
| [04:55:54] | wagnerrp: | in that theyre both slots, yes |
| [04:55:56] | Dagmar: | thedarkone: Wow dude. Put your screwdriver away before you catch something on fire |
| [04:56:24] | thedarkone: | lmfao |
| [04:56:30] | wagnerrp: | other than that, the length, pin styles, and keying are completely different |
| [04:56:36] | kormoc: | http://www.tomshardware.se/grafikkort/2004112 . . . ie-cards.jpg |
| [04:56:40] | kormoc: | only slightly there |
| [04:57:02] | Dagmar: | Hey now guys... People who don't regularly open PCs can reasonably make that mistake, IMHO. |
| [04:57:02] | wagnerrp: | yeah, pretty hard to mistake one for the other |
| [04:57:22] | Dagmar: | If he's not screaming that we're all meanies and so on then it's probably a win |
| [04:57:31] | thedarkone: | i don't build pc's all day long |
| [04:58:01] | Dagmar: | You don't have to be doing it all day long, but generally folks who've seen more than five of each will recognize them on sight |
| [04:58:02] | thedarkone: | it only a 100.00 card |
| [04:58:07] | Dagmar: | Unless they work at CompUSA. |
| [04:58:28] | Dagmar: | ...those people know to check their little book with the pictures. ;) |
| [04:58:34] | thedarkone: | they all look the same to me |
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| [04:58:50] | thedarkone: | the slots are both green |
| [04:58:54] | Dagmar: | opmgracist |
| [04:58:55] | wagnerrp: | well this issue here is that he had that card in that computer, couldnt get audio to work, and was subsequently saying it was because it was an AGP card |
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| [04:59:15] | mchou: | hdmi ftw yo! |
| [04:59:21] | Dagmar: | Well, how much sound would you expect from an AGP video card in a PCIe slot? |
| [04:59:23] | thedarkone: | well nvidia i would lose sound |
| [04:59:31] | Dagmar: | ...other than maybe... bzzzzzzzzz-zzzz-zzzzz-zzt... |
| [04:59:34] | mchou: | maybe that was why audio didnt work |
| [04:59:54] | wagnerrp: | component outputs will not affect sound at all |
| [05:00:06] | thedarkone: | i would have to delete xorg.conf file and sound would come back |
| [05:00:08] | Dagmar: | thedarkone: That's likely something that can be worked around or simply made to work. Don't sweat that yet |
| [05:00:26] | wagnerrp: | recent nvidia cards (8-series +) with DVI/HDMI ports may report that they carry an audio stream |
| [05:00:46] | wagnerrp: | and depending on your TV, you may not be able to force it to use the analog audio |
| [05:00:56] | kormoc: | all you might have to do is setup the correct soundcard as the primary one... |
| [05:01:03] | thedarkone: | it a vizio 32 ince |
| [05:01:06] | thedarkone: | lcd |
| [05:01:39] | wagnerrp: | if thats the case, theres a howto on the wiki about how to make a custom EDID block to prevent the driver from reporting an audio stream |
| [05:02:08] | thedarkone: | well u guys told me to goto alsa |
| [05:02:10] | wagnerrp: | and your distro should have a fairly simple method of fixing the analog output |
| [05:02:13] | thedarkone: | cheannel |
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| [05:02:19] | thedarkone: | channel |
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| [05:02:39] | wagnerrp: | is alsaconf something that comes with the alsa packages? |
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| [05:02:58] | thedarkone: | well i did what they said |
| [05:03:07] | thedarkone: | updated to 1.0.20 |
| [05:03:09] | thedarkone: | and all |
| [05:03:23] | wagnerrp: | updating audio is only necessary if you want to use HDMI audio |
| [05:03:30] | thedarkone: | no sound and they said no luck |
| [05:03:34] | wagnerrp: | and discrete nvidia cards do no have sound hardware |
| [05:04:11] | thedarkone: | dagmar i fixed that problem with nvidia i took it out |
| [05:04:15] | thedarkone: | and put in a ati |
| [05:06:06] | Dagmar: | OKay, so now you'll be having serious pain then |
| [05:06:10] | Dagmar: | ATI and LInux don't get along well |
| [05:06:41] | Dagmar: | I think I did at least see HDMI drivers for nVidia mentioned in the kernel I downloaded yesterday tho |
| [05:06:44] | thedarkone: | i was looking on web |
| [05:07:10] | thedarkone: | and saw that ati put out new drivers |
| [05:07:32] | Dagmar: | Yeah but even for people who are good at installing things like that, the ATI drivers are a bitch |
| [05:07:39] | Dagmar: | If you get them working, you should feel pleased with yourself. |
| [05:08:09] | thedarkone: | well how would u know if they are working lol |
| [05:09:04] | Dagmar: | You get no video or hideously corrupted video or spontaneous reboots when they don't. |
| [05:09:09] | Dagmar: | Trust me, you'll _know_ |
| [05:09:15] | wagnerrp: | run glxgears, if its smooth, theyre working |
| [05:09:23] | mchou: | lol |
| [05:10:37] | thedarkone: | they run fine |
| [05:11:01] | thedarkone: | a blue and a red and a green |
| [05:11:26] | thedarkone: | no studder |
| [05:11:39] | wagnerrp: | run 'xdpyinfo | grep -A50 extensions', see if 'XVideo' is listed |
| [05:13:16] | thedarkone: | http://pastebin.com/m9904012 |
| [05:13:30] | Dagmar: | You have a fast enough machine that with NO video accelleration glxgears should run smoothly |
| [05:14:02] | wagnerrp: | and XVideo-MotionCompensation... i didnt think XvMC was working in the ATI drivers |
| [05:14:19] | wagnerrp: | are you using the ATI card? or the integrated Intel? |
| [05:14:26] | thedarkone: | ati |
| [05:14:36] | Dagmar: | He's using hte ATI card or the ATI symbols wouldn't be listed |
| [05:14:38] | kormoc: | XvMC doesn't work with ATI |
| [05:14:48] | wagnerrp: | right... see them at the top now |
| [05:15:03] | Dagmar: | It *might* with this new driver, but it's long odds IMHO |
| [05:15:34] | thedarkone: | i will find out soon |
| [05:15:40] | wagnerrp: | well if youve got XVideo, youre golden |
| [05:15:56] | wagnerrp: | but youre still not going to manage BluRay/HDDVD/HDPVR on that chip |
| [05:16:03] | thedarkone: | then it fine |
| [05:16:06] | wagnerrp: | not until the ffmpeg-mt stuff comes through anyway |
| [05:18:21] | thedarkone: | xvmc in myth runs fine |
| [05:18:50] | wagnerrp: | well if it werent working, it would just fall back to Xv |
| [05:19:05] | wagnerrp: | and on that chip, it might only be a 5–10% difference in CPU usage |
| [05:19:34] | thedarkone: | okay |
| [05:20:00] | wagnerrp: | XvMC is only a partial offload of mpeg2 |
| [05:20:19] | wagnerrp: | and HD MPEG2 decoding is something that chip should do without breaking a sweat |
| [05:20:27] | thedarkone: | i do knowest it pauses alot |
| [05:20:46] | wagnerrp: | if youve got clock stepping on, it may even stay at low frequency |
| [05:20:46] | Shadow__X: | in mythweb ihave 2 different sources on my listing line up that share xmlid's on one of the channels when i select to record someting on one source for some reasons it setups a schedule on both sources |
| [05:20:50] | thedarkone: | just in mpeg |
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| [05:22:01] | Shadow__X: | it just happens on one channel that i know of but the rest that are setup the same work |
| [05:23:43] | Shadow__X: | Dagmar,any ideas? |
| [05:25:15] | Dagmar: | My best guess is you need to dump the listings and reget both sets, making sure you don't accidentally dupe the channel ID this time |
| [05:25:31] | Dagmar: | I *think* sphery would be the man to ask about finesseing that |
| [05:25:44] | Dagmar: | I have a very heavy-handed method of dropping channel tables no one likes. ;) |
| [05:25:47] | Shadow__X: | ah alright thanks so i duped one channel |
| [05:25:50] | wagnerrp: | he wants the same ID on both channels |
| [05:26:03] | wagnerrp: | scifi over firewire, and analog capture |
| [05:26:04] | Dagmar: | He does? Okay. I'll take your word for it. |
| [05:26:16] | Shadow__X: | the same xmlid 2 different sources qam and stb |
| [05:26:18] | Dagmar: | Oh. Heh |
| [05:26:25] | Dagmar: | I misunderstood part of what he was saying |
| [05:26:33] | wagnerrp: | wait... qam and stb? |
| [05:26:41] | Shadow__X: | qam and firewire |
| [05:26:49] | wagnerrp: | if you get it over qam, why bother with the stb? |
| [05:27:04] | wagnerrp: | or is the qam one only standard definition? |
| [05:27:14] | Shadow__X: | wagnerrp,just incase i fill the tuners but yeah i could delete it |
| [05:27:19] | Shadow__X: | yeah qam is sd |
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| [05:28:02] | Dagmar: | Not sure why it's hitting them both with a schedule item, but meh |
| [05:28:08] | wagnerrp: | well then youre probably picking up two separate channels |
| [05:28:11] | Shadow__X: | there are afew channels that i have on both the stb and qam but they work no issue |
| [05:28:16] | Shadow__X: | this is the only one giving me an issue |
| [05:28:17] | clever: | who here has some experience with mpegrecorder.cpp? |
| [05:28:22] | wagnerrp: | the SD one over clear-qam, and the HD one over firewire |
| [05:28:41] | wagnerrp: | each with different XMLIDs on your lineup |
| [05:29:14] | Shadow__X: | for tis instance they are both sd and share the same xmlid |
| [05:31:33] | Shadow__X: | if it let it record it does infact record from both qam and the stb |
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| [06:29:00] | juski: | XvMC *can* be a full offload of mpeg2 decoding but it obviously depends on your hardware. xvmc is only partial help with intel & nvidia GPUs – some boards made by Via have full mpeg2 decoding on-chip. Not that it's much use some of the time... |
| [06:29:34] | juski: | Via kit was only ever any use for SDTV anyway, when it was of any use |
| [06:31:12] | juski: | sooner or later they'll probably wheel something out which can decode real HD like bluray material at silly high bitrates but by the time that happens (and there's linux support for it) it'll be time to go home :D |
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| [06:33:41] | juski: | ooo software updates are available. wonder what joys there are... |
| [06:33:57] | juski: | aka what can I break today? |
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| [06:37:30] | iamlindoro: | juski, what amazes me is that in this day and age we still have to pry people considering hardware purchases off of VIA hardware with a crowbar |
| [06:37:59] | juski: | let em buy. they'll only make the mistake once |
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| [06:38:16] | juski: | nobody can say they weren't warned |
| [06:39:12] | juski: | short of things to do, I wouldn't mind getting to the bottom of all the issues I was having with my epia frontend but it's a bit late for that now :D |
| [06:40:27] | juski: | heheh we're getting some ATX DC-DC converters in :) |
| [06:41:10] | juski: | sheesh. 250W DC-DC converters at that! |
| [06:41:39] | juski: | must need one hell of a mains power brick though |
| [06:42:17] | wagnerrp: | we were considering switching to DC power at work |
| [06:42:26] | wagnerrp: | but you just cant find high power 12V supplies |
| [06:42:54] | juski: | well, 20A at 12V is a pretty steep requirement |
| [06:43:34] | juski: | 48V is commonly used in telecomms – if they'd aimed for that market... |
| [06:43:47] | wagnerrp: | we were looking more at 7kA |
| [06:43:55] | juski: | yeeps |
| [06:44:26] | wagnerrp: | although realistically, we were hoping for maybe one supply per shelf |
| [06:44:30] | wagnerrp: | maybe 100A per unit |
| [06:44:53] | wagnerrp: | supplying power to a bunch of pico-psus in the compute nodes |
| [06:45:08] | juski: | heh. not impossible to build of course.. just hardly a stock item |
| [06:45:34] | wagnerrp: | under full load, our nodes use around 100W each, and thats including the power supply inefficiencies |
| [06:46:05] | wagnerrp: | so probably 7A/box, 11 boxes/shelf |
| [06:46:22] | wagnerrp: | plus a bit of overhead for startup spiking |
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| [06:49:07] | juski: | must be fun keeping that little lot cool |
| [06:49:18] | wagnerrp: | used to be a real joy |
| [06:49:46] | wagnerrp: | we started out with an aged frankenstein of a an AC unit |
| [06:50:17] | wagnerrp: | something like 12 tons, salvaged from some temporary structures on campus |
| [06:50:37] | wagnerrp: | only it had been dropped at some point while being shipped out to our lab |
| [06:50:53] | juski: | heheheh |
| [06:50:58] | wagnerrp: | and became finicky, leaked freon from an unknown location |
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| [06:51:53] | wagnerrp: | it was fine for the first couple racks of P4s (64 units), but by the time we hit the forth, and it became summertime, it didnt have much of a chance |
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| [06:52:34] | wagnerrp: | add in the fact that it kept freezing up, we would have to run with most of the cluster shut down half of that summer |
| [06:53:24] | wagnerrp: | of course when the AC did kick back in, all that humid air would flash condense, and we would knock out whole blocks of systems powering things back on |
| [06:54:11] | wagnerrp: | start powering systems up and BAM! PSU caps blow in your face complete with sparks and blue smoke |
| [06:55:30] | wagnerrp: | now we've got a pair of proper units, and in the mid 90's humid heat, it seems to be running fine |
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| [06:59:28] | juski: | time to take my fixed google movies script for a test drive |
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| [07:01:06] | wagnerrp: | for what purpose? |
| [07:01:56] | wagnerrp: | stuff not available on tmdb? or is this a movie times sort of thing? |
| [07:02:52] | iamlindoro: | MythMovies |
| [07:02:56] | juski: | movietimes |
| [07:03:29] | juski: | haven't fiddled with movie metadata stuff yet, but I need to |
| [07:03:53] | iamlindoro: | I hear there are new themes that take advantage of the new fancy |
| [07:03:56] | iamlindoro: | you know, from some guy |
| [07:04:05] | juski: | effing hell I'd forgotten how ugly GNAT is |
| [07:04:28] | juski: | when I say ugly I mean eye-bleedingly-offensive |
| [07:04:55] | iamlindoro: | And yet someone is sure to swoop in and rescue it when .22 is out |
| [07:06:03] | juski: | iamlindoro: btw re 'popups' – basically just using less than the full screen real estate for plugin screens, taking advantage of the fact they're drawn on top as a matter of course? Are the underlying screens updated perchance? |
| [07:06:36] | juski: | I mean while a 'popup' is displayed, does say the time on the main menu (assuming it's not covered over) update? |
| [07:06:37] | iamlindoro: | juski, More or less, yeah, and no, the underlying screens aren't updated unfortunately |
| [07:06:56] | iamlindoro: | so the need to use a clock still exists (not an issue for me as they're all in the same place) |
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| [07:07:27] | juski: | hmmm. so nothing to gain at this point, then – other than saving yourself a little bit of copy/paste ;-) |
| [07:07:52] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: is your 'export to mythvideo' stuff still working? |
| [07:07:59] | juski: | ruh? the MBE has gone away?! Gone.. away?! |
| [07:08:02] | iamlindoro: | IMO the big gain is in feeling like you're using a consistent experience |
| [07:08:06] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, It does here |
| [07:08:18] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, though I've tracked changes over time, it may take some offsets to apply |
| [07:08:25] | wagnerrp: | ill have to look into that... doing it manually is such a pain |
| [07:08:44] | iamlindoro: | Should mostly still apply |
| [07:08:47] | wagnerrp: | all the more so with videos moved over to storage groups, the mythweb does not properly put into directories |
| [07:08:57] | juski: | hmm. ps reckons MBE still running |
| [07:10:10] | juski: | heh. no, it really is still running |
| [07:10:16] | wagnerrp: | kormoc's JS usually sorts through it in under a second or two, but occasionally the script gets caught in some loop, and i ether close firefox or wait 5 minutes for it to finish chunking through a couple thousand files |
| [07:13:10] | wagnerrp: | although its probably set up such the the FE does the file transfers, right? |
| [07:13:52] | juski: | mmmkay. and so onto configuring MFE to use TMDB etc... |
| [07:16:18] | wagnerrp: | might be better to try to re-implement that as a user job |
| [07:16:42] | wagnerrp: | so it can be offloaded to the backend, rather than having the frontend copy the files over the network, and then copy them back |
| [07:17:05] | wagnerrp: | ... i should probably look at the patches first before deciding how they work |
| [07:19:10] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, It does the copy via the frontend for lack of a better way to do it at the time it was written-- there is some code floating around to move files between storage rgoups, but nothing in trunk yet-- when that make it in, the export will be switched to using it |
| [07:20:09] | juski: | wtf? the mythtv wiki page on tmdb looks like a load of gash |
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| [07:20:41] | wagnerrp: | well complain to sphery |
| [07:20:44] | juski: | echo "Successfully configured MythVideo and MythWeb to use tmdb.pl." |
| [07:20:56] | juski: | it's not configuring anything by the looks of it |
| [07:21:04] | iamlindoro: | it does |
| [07:21:07] | iamlindoro: | ln -s |
| [07:21:10] | wagnerrp: | theres not really anything to configure is there? |
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| [07:21:21] | wagnerrp: | i thought the tmdb stuff was basically a drop-in replacement for the imdb scripts |
| [07:21:21] | juski: | that's not configuring :) |
| [07:21:52] | iamlindoro: | I think sphery has done a nice job of giving cut-and-pasteable code that should work for almost anyone |
| [07:22:07] | juski: | I think it's misleading |
| [07:22:37] | iamlindoro: | I disagree |
| [07:23:00] | iamlindoro: | before you run it, your lookups are done with IMDB. After you run it, they're done with TMDB. sounds like configuration to me. |
| [07:23:01] | juski: | well, from a dumb user PoV it's good |
| [07:23:20] | juski: | a good 'get em working' solution :) |
| [07:23:41] | wagnerrp: | well from a knowledgeable user PoV, they dont need that page |
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| [07:24:04] | juski: | unless they don't know diddly about tmdb.pl & how it's a drop-in replacement for imdb.pl |
| [07:24:09] | juski: | ;-) |
| [07:24:18] | juski: | like I didn't, until a second or two ago |
| [07:24:29] | wagnerrp: | seems youre not very knowledgeable then... :P |
| [07:31:50] | juski: | "could not find tmdb.xml". hrm |
| [07:32:08] | iamlindoro: | you can immediately redo your lookup |
| [07:32:12] | iamlindoro: | should go away |
| [07:32:18] | juski: | doesn't exist, methinks |
| [07:32:19] | iamlindoro: | ISTR it has something to do with load on TMDB |
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| [07:33:20] | juski: | oops. trying more likely candidates, and they're producing errors too |
| [07:33:28] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6428 |
| [07:34:20] | wagnerrp: | i guess i should brush up on the mythtv python bindings |
| [07:34:50] | wagnerrp: | im not one with the perl, im not keen on learning a language for something that will probably be <100 lines of script |
| [07:35:07] | juski: | lernin fings can be fun! |
| [07:36:03] | juski: | nah this isn't on |
| [07:36:18] | juski: | if tmdb.org is so overloaded maybe it's time to look at another way to do this |
| [07:36:45] | wagnerrp: | the site is somewhere slow to respond, but API access is surprisingly quick |
| [07:36:53] | wagnerrp: | s/somewhere/somewhat/ |
| [07:37:00] | juski: | let's try running the script manually & see what it spits out |
| [07:38:26] | juski: | can't possibly be returning 0 results for the stuff I'm searching on |
| [07:38:36] | wagnerrp: | what are you searching for? |
| [07:38:51] | wagnerrp: | the search functions leave something to be desired sometimes |
| [07:39:07] | wagnerrp: | you often have to have the name exactly as its seen on tmdb |
| [07:39:08] | juski: | just common stuff, stuff anybody would reasonably expect to be on tmdb |
| [07:39:23] | juski: | not weird avant-garde subtitled shite |
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| [07:40:35] | wagnerrp: | so MythTV.MythVideo.get/setMetadata are for controlling mythvideo entries |
| [07:40:56] | wagnerrp: | but they use some undescribed 'data' block |
| [07:41:03] | wagnerrp: | so much for python being internally documented |
| [07:42:41] | juski: | well, it ain't cos tmdb is offline that's fer shure |
| [07:43:08] | juski: | Use of uninitialized value in printf at /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl line 108 |
| [07:43:11] | wagnerrp: | ooh! i could have the file transfer run parallel, and update the jobqueue table with current progress |
| [07:43:55] | ** wagnerrp realizes how much of a dork he is when that excites him ** | |
| [07:43:57] | juski: | wonder if I'm missing a PM |
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| [07:46:52] | wagnerrp: | running it from the command line, it should have warned you if you were missing one |
| [07:47:20] | juski: | e.g. /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl -M 2001 fails |
| [07:47:45] | juski: | e.g. /usr/local/share/mythtv/mythvideo/scripts/tmdb.pl -rM 2001 doesn't give me anything either |
| [07:49:16] | wagnerrp: | its returning nothing |
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| [07:49:30] | wagnerrp: | its supposed to at least return an empty xml stating there were no results |
| [07:49:41] | wagnerrp: | something is wrong with tmdb |
| [07:49:44] | wagnerrp: | maintenance or something |
| [07:49:58] | juski: | heh typical, when I go to use it |
| [07:50:11] | wagnerrp: | erm... no, other searches are working |
| [07:50:16] | wagnerrp: | funky |
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| [07:50:46] | gravisan: | hi all |
| [07:50:53] | gravisan: | does anyone feel that mythvideo is incomplete |
| [07:51:05] | ** juski sighs ** | |
| [07:51:12] | gravisan: | in the sense you need the filesystem mounted on every frontend in order to access your videos |
| [07:51:25] | juski: | gravisan: in 0.22 that will not be the case |
| [07:51:36] | wagnerrp: | gravisan: your suggestions are noted... that will be fixed in the next version |
| [07:51:37] | gravisan: | ooo ... alright :) |
| [07:51:38] | juski: | is being/has been addressed already |
| [07:51:56] | gravisan: | thats really good |
| [07:52:01] | gravisan: | i can't wait till it is out |
| [07:52:09] | juski: | same might be the case for mythmusic too :) |
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| [07:52:18] | juski: | using Storage Groups |
| [07:52:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah, additional storage groups were added for videos, coverart, fanart, trailers, etc... |
| [07:52:24] | wagnerrp: | a couple months ago |
| [07:52:34] | wagnerrp: | but there is currently no writeback support |
| [07:52:35] | gravisan: | that should be really good, it'd make the whole thing really ubiquitous |
| [07:52:36] | juski: | wagnerrp: tried all kinds of search strings – no response at all |
| [07:52:51] | wagnerrp: | so those folders have to be mounted locally to download coverart and such |
| [07:53:07] | wagnerrp: | well '300' returns information' |
| [07:53:43] | juski: | better go out & buy it so I can display it in mythvideo then :D |
| [07:53:50] | juski: | and delete the rest |
| [07:54:04] | wagnerrp: | only other number-only movie i could think of |
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| [07:54:18] | wagnerrp: | 2010 doesnt work either |
| [07:54:19] | juski: | http://api.themoviedb.org/2.0/Movie.search?ti . . . 009380562c62 returns zip too |
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| [07:54:34] | juski: | which I frankly, am surprised by |
| [07:56:04] | wagnerrp: | yeah, they have to be tinkering with something on their end |
| [07:56:19] | wagnerrp: | it usually works a lot better than this |
| [07:56:33] | juski: | effing hope so too :) |
| [07:57:21] | wagnerrp: | because '-D <any number below ~20000>' should return a bunch of data |
| [07:57:24] | wagnerrp: | and its not |
| [07:57:38] | wagnerrp: | it works for 1271 (300), but not 62 (2001) |
| [07:57:45] | juski: | the web searchy stuff is still working though :-\ |
| [07:58:11] | juski: | maybe the likes of boxee have been overloading it |
| [07:58:15] | wagnerrp: | the API stuff is kept in disconnected caches |
| [07:58:47] | juski: | wahhhh I want my metadata & I want it noooooooooooooooow! :-S |
| [07:59:42] | wagnerrp: | looks like the forums are down too |
| [07:59:57] | wagnerrp: | no... just slow |
| [08:00:22] | juski: | time to pay for service, then :) |
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| [08:00:49] | wagnerrp: | theres been discussion of having a couple bucks from SD accounts kicked over |
| [08:01:00] | wagnerrp: | apparently even after lowering the price, SD still has a surplus |
| [08:01:23] | juski: | hell, I'd pay for good metadata. information isn't cheap |
| [08:01:40] | wagnerrp: | well the information is free |
| [08:01:44] | wagnerrp: | its just the servers that cost |
| [08:01:49] | juski: | exactly |
| [08:02:39] | juski: | well, whatever.. I'm ready for em coming back online anyway |
| [08:03:24] | juski: | not like I'm an avid file squirrel, so not exactly in a rush ;-) |
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| [08:50:07] | juski: | whee fire drill. half expected the doors to be locked on our return from the meeting point |
| [08:50:32] | juski: | wouldn't put it past this company :P |
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| [08:53:37] | stuarta: | morning juski |
| [08:55:20] | juski: | morning :) |
| [08:55:55] | stuarta: | how goes it in the wild west? |
| [08:58:17] | juski: | not bad. sitting here waiting for my P45 |
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| [09:07:18] | stuarta: | not so good then |
| [09:07:45] | juski: | it's not so bad, I'm not on the list yet |
| [09:08:01] | stuarta: | that's something then |
| [09:08:34] | juski: | aye. Just trying to keep looking busy :) |
| [09:09:31] | ** stuarta is busy ** | |
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| [09:13:39] | juski: | got some cables to draw in autocad, nothing majorly time consuming though |
| [09:13:54] | juski: | slimline sata power to male molex, e.g. |
| [09:14:46] | stuarta: | sounds like fun </sarcasm> |
| [09:16:50] | FR^2: | hehe |
| [09:17:43] | juski: | is it lunchtime yet? |
| [09:18:04] | stuarta: | trolley should be about due |
| [09:18:29] | juski: | quote of the day: "Body Orifice Security Scanners will soon be introduced" |
| [09:18:51] | juski: | prisoners updating their facebook pages while incarcerated indeed |
| [09:19:20] | stuarta: | today i got up |
| [09:19:26] | stuarta: | walked around a bit |
| [09:19:30] | stuarta: | went back to bed |
| [09:19:41] | stuarta: | </end entry> |
| [09:28:44] | juski: | heh |
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| [09:35:36] | stuarta: | excellent s2 of reaper starts showing next week |
| [09:37:03] | juski: | tried an episode of Kingdom last night. Effing chuff it was crap |
| [09:37:27] | juski: | completely whimsical ITV nonsense. might aswell have been Heartbeat |
| [09:37:38] | stuarta: | that's the spoof thing from mr little britain isn't it? |
| [09:37:45] | juski: | nope |
| [09:38:19] | juski: | ITV thingy with Stephen Fry. Disappointed he needs the money so badly.. only reason I can figure for his appearance in it |
| [09:40:58] | juski: | get him to *write* and star in it – might stand a chance of being good then :) |
| [09:41:14] | juski: | rather than the shoddy predictable numpty faire they've got |
| [09:42:01] | juski: | that said I think it's proper sunday night telly. make cocoa, unplug brain. plonk down on sofa & watch |
| [09:43:36] | stuarta: | oh look, quest is finally going to start broadcasting 4 months after being put in the EPG |
| [09:43:47] | juski: | Disco Quest? |
| [09:44:19] | stuarta: | supposed to come from discovery channel |
| [09:44:26] | juski: | I watched a bit of Russia Today before checking out of my hotel on Friday last week. Good God. Just what I imagined it'd be like! |
| [09:44:47] | juski: | they had a technology update show on. it was about new farming techniques lol |
| [09:44:57] | stuarta: | tractors! |
| [09:45:24] | juski: | the amount of rhetoric they managed to get into a 5 minute segment was erm.. bordering on stereotype |
| [09:45:45] | juski: | *without resorting to words like 'imperialist' ;-) |
| [09:49:56] | juski: | ROTFLMAO. Wife didn't get a birthday card from her mother because... motherinlaw didn't get her RadioTimes this week, so didn't know what day it was |
| [09:50:34] | ** stuarta shakes head ** | |
| [09:52:21] | juski: | and they wonder why my brother inlaw calls them The Clampitts |
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| [10:31:06] | michael__: | hey i've got some questions – Is mythTV for me? I've just installed it, i'd like to be able to watch TV on it, but i'd really like for it to be able to access all of myt downloaded media and play that on a TV |
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| [10:32:47] | michael__: | hello? |
| [10:33:23] | michael__: | plus im having problems getting mythbuntu recognising that i've got another hard drive |
| [10:33:49] | juski: | #mythbuntu |
| [10:34:43] | michael__: | ok, how about my first question? |
| [10:34:54] | juski: | I dunno. Is mythtv for you? try it & see |
| [10:35:03] | juski: | not our job to sell it to you |
| [10:35:13] | michael__: | ok, i don't know if some things are possible on it yet |
| [10:35:24] | michael__: | information would be great thought |
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| [10:35:29] | juski: | you can certainly watch TV with it |
| [10:35:43] | juski: | and record TV, and access media & play it |
| [10:35:44] | michael__: | ok TV is good |
| [10:35:54] | juski: | like the docs at www.mythtv.org say, funnily enough |
| [10:36:18] | michael__: | i want to be able to access media through a home network and play it in MythTV too |
| [10:36:25] | juski: | as for 'downloaded' media, it doesn't matter where it comes from. you point mythtv at it & it can play it |
| [10:36:44] | juski: | one thing it doesn't do is mount remote shares itself |
| [10:36:51] | juski: | but other than that... |
| [10:37:10] | michael__: | I've got a windows box full of movies, i want Myth to be able to access it |
| [10:37:11] | juski: | i.e. all file paths have to be 'local' so you have to mount shares yourself |
| [10:37:36] | michael__: | and play that stuff and for all of that to be in the libirary |
| [10:37:56] | michael__: | ok i'm not great at this stuff, do you have a resource i can read that can explain it to me? |
| [10:38:10] | michael__: | i don't understand "mount shares yourself" |
| [10:38:42] | juski: | oh God |
| [10:38:59] | juski: | well, when you access a network share on another machine you're 'mounting' it |
| [10:39:37] | juski: | what you can't do in mythtv is add a path like 192.168.1.100\videos\movies |
| [10:40:11] | michael__: | so i can't just turn on Myth TV and have it access a local net work for media? |
| [10:40:18] | juski: | you have to use SAMBA, NFS or similar to 'mount' a share onto a directory you create which will then act as if it's local |
| [10:40:22] | juski: | no |
| [10:40:35] | juski: | mythtv != file browser |
| [10:40:40] | michael__: | oh ok, i've kinda used samba before |
| [10:41:20] | juski: | FWIW, if you can get XBMC to work, just use that |
| [10:41:28] | michael__: | so then if samba gives me a directory where that information will be avalable to my Mythbox it'll be ok |
| [10:41:28] | juski: | though it doesn't have any TV features |
| [10:41:34] | juski: | yup |
| [10:41:55] | michael__: | yeah well the TV features will be coming later, this is a step by step process for me |
| [10:42:08] | juski: | anyway, what mythtv really excels at is *recording* TV as opposed to just passively watching |
| [10:42:26] | michael__: | i just got the thing playing DVDs now, so the next thing is getting samba working i guess |
| [10:42:26] | juski: | plan your viewing ahead of time & waste less of your life surfing the tripe |
| [10:43:32] | michael__: | ok but i want it to do more for me- that's why i'm not sure about MythTV, i think recording TV will be cool, but watching stuff i've alreasy downloaded on a big screen is important |
| [10:43:49] | michael__: | it seems to rip DVDs ok too which is good |
| [10:43:51] | juski: | downloading TV is *wrong* but anyway... |
| [10:44:08] | michael__: | too later |
| [10:44:09] | juski: | unless it's 'web tv' of course... |
| [10:44:30] | juski: | anyway watching videos on your TV is not an issue so long as your computer can keep up ;-) |
| [10:44:42] | juski: | no matter where they've come from |
| [10:44:49] | michael__: | anyway do you have a guide on how i can get samba working? and would you even reccommend mythTV to organise all of my videos? |
| [10:44:55] | juski: | i.e. so long as your machine is fast enough to play them |
| [10:45:11] | juski: | I never recommend anybody use mythtv. that's entirely up to them |
| [10:45:32] | juski: | stopped being an advocate quite some time ago |
| [10:45:35] | michael__: | do you think MythTV can do what i want it to? |
| [10:45:39] | juski: | yes |
| [10:45:42] | michael__: | ok |
| [10:45:55] | juski: | like it says on the mythtv.org website! |
| [10:45:57] | juski: | sheesh |
| [10:46:17] | michael__: | do you have a guide on how to get samba working to share my movies? |
| [10:46:58] | juski: | your distro probably has a wiki with pointers in the right direction |
| [10:47:38] | michael__: | what is your MythTV sitting on? |
| [10:48:01] | juski: | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpSamba |
| [10:48:14] | michael__: | i'm thinking of dumping Mythbuntu and getting MythTV ontop of Ubuntu |
| [10:49:11] | juski: | ooo the harder way |
| [10:49:45] | juski: | the issue where mythbuntu isn't recognising you've added another HDD is probably that you've not TOLD it to use that drive yet |
| [10:50:02] | michael__: | this seems like the harder way at the moment – Mythbuntu is so stripped back i'll have to install printer drivers, PDS readers, this IRC client blah |
| [10:50:08] | juski: | it won't just go "hey look, I see another hard disk. Do you want to format it & mount it for you now?" |
| [10:50:27] | juski: | man fdisk |
| [10:50:34] | at0m: | "oh darn it had already data on it. too late, formatted now" |
| [10:50:37] | michael__: | i'm used to Ubuntu finding it for me |
| [10:50:55] | juski: | man mkfs |
| [10:51:33] | juski: | sure ubuntu can 'find' disks automagically. Getting it to mount em where YOU want it to.. that's something else |
| [10:52:22] | juski: | FWIW you might end up putting all your media on the linux box anyway, to make it available 100% of the time. Windows file sharing sucks arse |
| [10:52:31] | at0m: | michael__: automatic mounting is nice for a cam, but learn how to do it yourself and properly for internal and network drives. it's easy. |
| [10:52:45] | michael__: | ok |
| [10:52:50] | michael__: | well how do i start? |
| [10:52:57] | michael__: | the local has media on it already |
| [10:53:06] | juski: | man fstab |
| [10:53:08] | michael__: | it's an IDE drive |
| [10:53:21] | juski: | man fstab |
| [10:53:59] | at0m: | google howto's for fstab, smb.conf |
| [10:54:20] | juski: | ubuntu even has a nice easy GUI tool for both of them |
| [10:54:34] | juski: | which you can no doubt find out about in Ubuntu's community documentation |
| [10:54:52] | juski: | but I always opt to do things manually anyway |
| [10:55:04] | michael__: | yeah that's why i'd rather instal ubuntu and start over |
| [10:55:22] | michael__: | mythbuntu is too stripped back and io |
| [10:55:24] | juski: | you could just install ubuntu-desktop on top I guess |
| [10:55:36] | juski: | or kubuntu-desktop if that's your fetish |
| [10:55:49] | michael__: | i'd be worried that'll break something |
| [10:56:07] | michael__: | Gnome is fine for me |
| [10:56:15] | juski: | doing that should *not* affect a mythtv install |
| [10:56:37] | juski: | not as much as flattening a disk would, certainly ;) |
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| [10:57:41] | michael__: | i'm sure there'd already be an fstab file on my system wouldn't there? |
| [10:58:03] | juski: | myers |
| [10:58:09] | juski: | for it would not work otherwise |
| [10:59:01] | juski: | anyway I'm surprised the MCC doesn't allow you to do basic stuff like add shares & disks etc |
| [10:59:02] | michael__: | of course! |
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| [11:00:31] | juski: | lunchytime :) |
| [11:00:58] | michael__: | ok |
| [11:01:01] | michael__: | thank's |
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| [11:51:40] | juski: | blah. tmdb searches still not worky :( |
| [11:53:37] | ** juski blames XBMC ** | |
| [11:57:25] | juski: | http://twitter.com/themoviedb doesn't say there's a problem though |
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| [12:16:35] | ddettman: | juski: look again. |
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| [12:19:02] | juski: | last update was 8:18 PM Jun 23rd from Tweetie in reply to akivalevy |
| [12:19:20] | juski: | and says "Everything should be back to normal" |
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| [12:19:58] | sphery: | Shadow__X: "this channel" recording rules are based on callsign. So, if you set the exact same callsign for the 2 channels on the different sources, you cannot distinguish between the 2 when created rules. If you want to be able to say "record from this channel /on this source/" you /must/ use different callsigns for the channels. |
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| [12:36:14] | ddettman: | juski: good point, I should have looked again ;) |
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| [12:51:06] | gbee: | some of the apps using TMDB are doing no form of caching at all, not even store images locally, so the strain they place on the servers ... |
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| [12:53:39] | juski: | sigh. oh well I'll just do without metadata for a bit longer :) |
| [12:54:12] | juski: | this is where P2P would come in handy innit |
| [12:54:26] | juski: | you wanna use it, you become a link in the chain :) |
| [12:55:09] | juski: | fair's fair & all that |
| [12:55:35] | sphery: | Would also be nice if SD were able to provide bandwidth/hosting support for them... Don't know how copyright issues may affect that, though. |
| [12:55:54] | gbee: | it was offered |
| [12:56:16] | gbee: | or at least support was offered, no idea what came of it though |
| [12:56:20] | sphery: | I think xr is (/SD lawyers) had some copyright concerns, so they're still looking into it |
| [12:56:46] | juski: | legally grey, but veering towards 'fair use' as far as the images are concerned I thought |
| [12:57:07] | sphery: | yeah, I think SD wanted to stay away from any gray |
| [12:57:26] | juski: | grey as in untested in a court of law |
| [12:58:20] | juski: | wonder how many mirrors they have |
| [12:58:23] | juski: | if any |
| [12:59:50] | sphery: | don't think they have any (either SD or TMDb) |
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| [13:21:10] | gbee: | afaik tmdb has no mirrors just a couple of load balanced servers |
| [13:21:45] | gbee: | or maybe the api is on one machine, site on another ... something like that |
| [13:25:49] | stuarta: | numerous different way of scaling up |
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| [15:30:10] | sphery: | iamlindoro: trying to decide whether to spend some time on (starting over on) my upgrade or doing some Myth patches... |
| [15:31:33] | iamlindoro: | sphery: don't try to get my hopes up any more, I won't let you hurt me any more |
| [15:31:39] | sphery: | heh |
| [15:32:24] | nambo: | i hate upgrading linux, never gets all the packages |
| [15:32:53] | sid3windr: | ? :p |
| [15:33:04] | nambo: | easier to just reinstall |
| [15:33:28] | nambo: | well, install the new distro |
| [15:33:45] | wagnerrp: | well dont you update everything when you install the new distro anyway? |
| [15:33:49] | sphery: | actually, was thinking that the biggest annoyances lately are a) myth.rebuild_database.pl/myth_find_orphans.pl and b) the nagging feeling I have to clean up the TZ check (cleaning up the early-proto-usage) |
| [15:34:02] | sphery: | nambo: yeah, I'll be just installing a new distro |
| [15:34:14] | sphery: | ^^^ short story |
| [15:34:18] | nambo: | wagnerrp: yeah, but it's fresh, there's no cross packages, etc |
| [15:34:24] | stuarta: | nambo: you must be using a crap distro |
| [15:34:32] | nambo: | debian is a crap distro? |
| [15:34:39] | stuarta: | debian works properly |
| [15:34:43] | stuarta: | wtf are you doing wrong? |
| [15:34:45] | wagnerrp: | apparently, if its package manager cant handle an update |
| [15:34:46] | nambo: | i've been using linux for 10+ years, linux is a pain in the ass to upgrade |
| [15:34:52] | nambo: | it's usually better to just reinstall |
| [15:34:55] | ** stuarta calls bullshit ** | |
| [15:34:59] | nambo: | well, install a new distro |
| [15:35:08] | gbee: | huh? |
| [15:35:08] | nambo: | stuarta: what do you use? |
| [15:35:13] | stuarta: | i've upgraded debian through many different version without a reinstall |
| [15:35:25] | nambo: | i have too, and it doesn't work as well as a new install |
| [15:35:32] | nambo: | hence my point |
| [15:35:36] | stuarta: | so what are you doing wrong? |
| [15:35:40] | nambo: | lol |
| [15:35:49] | nambo: | whatever dude |
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| [15:36:02] | nambo: | i got 0 to prove to you, so zip your pants back up |
| [15:36:13] | sid3windr: | but seriously |
| [15:36:20] | sid3windr: | if there's something that doesn't work, bugreport it |
| [15:36:27] | nambo: | Linux historically is a pain to upgrade |
| [15:36:28] | sid3windr: | I have never ever reinstalled a debian box |
| [15:36:36] | stuarta: | and i have nothing to prove to you |
| [15:36:40] | nambo: | sid3: i have when a new distro comes out |
| [15:36:44] | sid3windr: | why? |
| [15:36:45] | stuarta: | just interested in why you can't upgrade debian |
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| [15:36:49] | sid3windr: | apt-get dist-upgrade && echo done/done |
| [15:36:59] | nambo: | because the upgrade sucks, once a new version comes out |
| [15:37:05] | nambo: | sure, within the same version number |
| [15:37:08] | gbee: | depends if you do a simple package upgrade, or a CD/DVD based upgrade – every distro changes around their preferred software or configuration with a new release, a straight package upgrade doesn't always bring the benefits of those changes |
| [15:37:21] | nambo: | but going from 4.3 to 5.0 was a pain |
| [15:37:25] | sid3windr: | :| |
| [15:37:33] | stuarta: | that was straightforward... |
| [15:37:40] | nambo: | gbee: exactly |
| [15:37:42] | sid3windr: | I'll venture a guess most of your 10+ years of linux experience was spent reinstalling machines for no reason |
| [15:38:02] | ** sid3windr eod, because you've got nothing to prove to me, nor vice versa ** | |
| [15:38:12] | nambo: | sid3windr: huh? go piss up a rope, chumptard |
| [15:38:35] | gbee: | that said, I've never had an unusable system from doing package upgrades with Mandriva etc, it just might miss out on a particular feature or improvement |
| [15:38:38] | nambo: | i love you Ubuntu fags that think you're hot shit because you know how to compile from source |
| [15:38:38] | sid3windr: | at least i've got something to aim with |
| [15:38:39] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [15:38:45] | stuarta: | nambo: stop insulting knowlegable users |
| [15:38:49] | nambo: | lol |
| [15:39:01] | sid3windr: | I bet nambo uses slack |
| [15:39:03] | sid3windr: | cuz it's TEH SHIT |
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| [15:39:10] | nambo: | i'll just ignore him... i don't care about his penis size contest |
| [15:39:18] | stuarta: | well that explains everything "nambo (i=asshole@ubersource.net )" |
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| [15:39:49] | nambo: | he obviously has something to prove to a bunch of ppl on irc who couldn't give a shit |
| [15:39:52] | sid3windr: | =) but i=luser does not do too much good either though :> |
| [15:40:11] | sid3windr: | I wonder what his problem is |
| [15:40:21] | sid3windr: | sounds like a lot of anger and frustration with computers |
| [15:40:33] | stuarta: | and a basic inability to upgrade stuff |
| [15:40:43] | sid3windr: | yes, well that 's the cause of the anger and frustration |
| [15:40:43] | nambo: | son, i own a support business, and have been using linux for many many years |
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| [15:40:50] | stuarta: | so have i |
| [15:40:52] | ** sid3windr rofls @ "son" ** | |
| [15:40:54] | iamlindoro: | god help your customers |
| [15:40:55] | sid3windr: | and so have I ;) |
| [15:41:18] | stuarta: | started on 0.99r13 |
| [15:41:23] | iamlindoro: | "I need an upgrade.." "Sure! Let's see, I'll just format your drive..." |
| [15:42:00] | stuarta: | redhat and debian didn't even exist then |
| [15:42:09] | nambo: | i try to contribute to this convo with my opinion, that installing a fresh version at a new version is better than reinstalling, and you start foaming at the mouth, and being a dick |
| [15:42:24] | nambo: | seriously... i don't care, i got better shit to be doing that sitting here wasting time with you blowhards |
| [15:42:28] | stuarta: | no, i was asking why you find upgrading impossible |
| [15:42:37] | nambo: | i never said impossible |
| [15:42:49] | iamlindoro: | someone needs a lesson in the channel rules |
| [15:42:52] | stuarta: | near enuf |
| [15:43:15] | stuarta: | i can't be arsed kicking anyone atm |
| [15:43:24] | nambo: | but you know what, you know more than i do... i've only been using linux from redhat v2.4 |
| [15:43:29] | nambo: | still got the book around here somewhere |
| [15:43:35] | nambo: | lol |
| [15:43:41] | stuarta: | book? |
| [15:43:49] | nambo: | kick me, i don't care |
| [15:43:59] | iamlindoro: | stuarta: It's what happens when someone prints out man pages and charges you $50 for them ;) |
| [15:44:06] | stuarta: | ahh... |
| [15:44:08] | wombo: | I have been using my current Ubuntu install since 7.10 Beta1 |
| [15:44:11] | nambo: | if i want back in here, i'll be in here.... i'm not going to feed noob egos |
| [15:44:16] | wombo: | dist upgrading everytime |
| [15:44:20] | gbee: | at that time lots of linux howtos shipped with a cd or two of linux distros |
| [15:44:20] | stuarta: | and they are out of date before you get a copy |
| [15:44:45] | ** stuarta counts back ** | |
| [15:44:53] | stuarta: | fm 16 years |
| [15:45:56] | stuarta: | came on floppies then :) |
| [15:46:08] | wombo: | UPGRADES FTW |
| [15:46:08] | nambo: | i'll tell you what, i'm tired of waving my dick in the air with a bunch of noobs, see you fags next time i have a problem with mythtv, which i hope will be never, because the only 2 users in here worth a damn supporting this buggy as hell project is kormoc and sphery |
| [15:46:11] | ** sid3windr prints the conversation :) ** | |
| [15:46:23] | GreyFoxx: | Dude, you get awful upset about something you don't care about |
| [15:46:24] | nambo: | the rest of you are a bunch of little noob dickwads with attitudes to prove |
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| [15:46:28] | iamlindoro: | Now that deserves a ban, come on |
| [15:46:29] | wombo: | cya good to know you :) |
| [15:46:39] | stuarta: | he didn't actually ask a question |
| [15:46:47] | iamlindoro: | dropping four letter f-bombs doesn't bother me, but the three letter one does |
| [15:46:51] | wombo: | he left quick after the payout |
| [15:46:54] | GreyFoxx: | He comes in regularly and the same thing happens |
| [15:46:55] | sid3windr: | WHAT DO I KNOW, I'VE ONLY BEEN USING LINUX SINCE UBUNTU 9.04 |
| [15:46:56] | gbee: | stuarta: aye, I made the mistake of buying one since it was easier than printing all the man pages ;) It was extremely helpful for the first two months, never touched it since ... huge thing it was, weighs a tonne |
| [15:47:09] | GreyFoxx: | someone says something that questions his skill and he freaks |
| [15:47:15] | stuarta: | useful if you ever take up pressing flowers |
| [15:47:18] | GreyFoxx: | all the while repeating that he doesn't care |
| [15:47:24] | sid3windr: | but that's normal if you have MAD SkillZ GreyFoxx :> |
| [15:47:26] | GreyFoxx: | ... apparently he does, or his ego does |
| [15:47:31] | sid3windr: | he thinks he's chuck norris :> |
| [15:47:51] | iamlindoro: | the only thing behind nambo's beard... is another fist |
| [15:47:53] | sid3windr: | while there actually was no real argument going on, just a question about why he thought upgrading couldn't be done, out come the insults ;) |
| [15:47:58] | iamlindoro: | nambo does not sleep... he waits |
| [15:48:03] | GreyFoxx: | heheh |
| [15:48:19] | stuarta: | he wasn't even worth the trouble of kicking |
| [15:48:20] | sid3windr: | nambo does not fear the grim reaper, the grim reaper fears nambo? |
| [15:48:28] | iamlindoro: | crop circles are just nambo's way of saying that sometimes corn just needs to lay down |
| [15:48:35] | stuarta: | hah |
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| [15:49:13] | iamlindoro: | Do bans follow cloaked nicks? |
| [15:49:26] | wombo: | Some say that Nambo is the reincarnation of the Sun |
| [15:49:40] | meshe: | that one will ban him by hostname |
| [15:49:56] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: afaik yes |
| [15:50:02] | GreyFoxx: | [12:48pm][nambo(i=asshole@ubersource.net )] sorry, i don't like the taste of |
| [15:50:02] | GreyFoxx: | dick in my mouth to get answers to myth. I'm not the only one that |
| [15:50:02] | GreyFoxx: | thinks #mythtv-users is a goddamn joke |
| [15:50:04] | iamlindoro: | meshe: right, I had just always wondered |
| [15:50:17] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: cool |
| [15:50:20] | meshe: | it doesn't matter what nick he uses with that ban, though he'll need to find another proxy |
| [15:50:29] | stuarta: | iamlindoro: it depends how you do it |
| [15:51:13] | meshe: | somebody takes life waaaaaay to seriously, irc esepcially |
| [15:51:32] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx: you'll find particularly good ones any time I talked to him ;) |
| [15:51:40] | stuarta: | i'd hate to have a support contract with that guy |
| [15:51:45] | jams: | no kidding |
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| [15:52:02] | ** GreyFoxx waves to nambo via the channel web logs ** | |
| [15:52:17] | GreyFoxx: | but getting around bans seriously is simple |
| [15:52:35] | meshe: | yeah, sadly they are |
| [15:52:40] | iamlindoro: | This is why the channel needs meaner ops ;) |
| [15:52:42] | jams: | yes it is, but it's something |
| [15:52:48] | iamlindoro: | zero tolerance! |
| [15:52:58] | stuarta: | i can be mean, i just can't be arsed mainly |
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| [15:54:23] | iamlindoro: | My fave is still when he told me how jealous and uneducated I was because he has an in-progress two year degree |
| [15:54:28] | meshe: | when you find yourself getting pissed of with an irc channel, you need to stop and realize what it is "TEXT" and that there's a button on the top bar that will give you all the power you need to remove the aggrivation |
| [15:54:58] | stuarta: | meh, graphical irc clients... |
| [15:55:04] | stuarta: | real men use text mode |
| [15:55:20] | jams: | meshe isn't a real man ? |
| [15:55:32] | meshe: | nope |
| [15:55:37] | jams: | didn't think so |
| [15:55:41] | stuarta: | iirc woman :) |
| [15:55:45] | jams: | hehe |
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| [15:56:16] | meshe: | i do use irssi and there's still an x button on the top right of my terminal window |
| [15:56:30] | stuarta: | ah well, i stand corrected |
| [15:56:39] | ** stuarta offers meshe the real man title ** | |
| [15:56:47] | ** meshe declines ** | |
| [15:57:02] | wombo: | Can I have it? |
| [15:57:04] | stuarta: | i just use /leave |
| [15:57:11] | stuarta: | !trout wombo |
| [15:57:11] | ** MythLogBot slaps wombo with a trout on behalf of stuarta... ** | |
| [15:57:12] | meshe: | ctrl-a K |
| [15:57:22] | stuarta: | that works too |
| [15:57:47] | RDV_Linux: | meshe: Have you done anything about the script that iamlindoro requested so that Watch Recordings would have graphics (Posters, Fanart and Banners) for his Graphite theme? I ask this as I am interested in creating that script. I already have most of the code in other scripts I have written (e.g. Jamu). I do not want to clash with your efforts. |
| [15:58:39] | meshe: | RDV_Linux: go for it, i planned to work on it on the weekend, but too many non-programming things came up |
| [15:58:39] | ** iamlindoro probably shouldn't get too used to people wanting to fulfill his wishes ** | |
| [15:58:54] | CyberKnet: | Told you guys the day before yesterday that there was no having a reasonable conversation with nambo. |
| [15:59:14] | ** stuarta mustn't have been here ** | |
| [15:59:18] | iamlindoro: | You sir, are a prophet |
| [15:59:26] | RDV_Linux: | meshe: thanks I will go for it. |
| [15:59:32] | ** stuarta awards gold star ** | |
| [15:59:37] | sphery: | I almost passed another tmdb.pl "bug" to meshe, but then iamlindoro pointed out that it was a TMDb (website/database) bug. :) |
| [15:59:47] | stuarta: | :) |
| [15:59:47] | meshe: | hehe |
| [16:00:01] | iamlindoro: | Even a broken clock is right twice a day |
| [16:00:07] | iamlindoro: | unless said clock is digital |
| [16:00:21] | stuarta: | if in doubt, apply hammer to clock |
| [16:00:31] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: Wow. I'm really hurt ;) |
| [16:00:36] | sphery: | I've seen analog clocks with AM/PM |
| [16:00:37] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: I meant me ;) |
| [16:00:41] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: perhaps I should follow nambo's great example! |
| [16:00:46] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: hah! |
| [16:01:00] | sphery: | I think he was referring to himself |
| [16:01:08] | CyberKnet: | that's too bad |
| [16:01:22] | CyberKnet: | I was gonna go off like the kid on the youtube video the other day. |
| [16:01:38] | CyberKnet: | Which actually is kind of what nambo just did in text mode. That's a pretty amusing comparison. |
| [16:01:38] | ** iamlindoro hands CyberKnet a remote ** | |
| [16:01:43] | sphery: | now we can only wonder which conversation that statement is a part of |
| [16:02:10] | ** stuarta suffers motivation failure ** | |
| [16:02:27] | ** CyberKnet bets iamlindoro still has that link ** | |
| [16:02:35] | ** sphery suffers fear of MythProto usage from the backend ** | |
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| [16:02:51] | iamlindoro: | I promised laga I'd never post it again ;) |
| [16:02:58] | iamlindoro: | motivated parties will have to check logs :) |
| [16:03:01] | CyberKnet: | laga be darned! |
| [16:03:12] | CyberKnet: | oop. better hide from laga. |
| [16:03:38] | ** CyberKnet looks at the 'Do Not Mess With The laga.' sign prominently posted ** | |
| [16:03:42] | jams: | oh yeah..when you make him made he becomes gardengnome. Thats soemthing you don't want to see |
| [16:03:50] | jams: | make him mad |
| [16:04:17] | sphery: | then he just keeps trying to sell you airline tickets |
| [16:04:26] | CyberKnet: | o_O |
| [16:07:11] | CyberKnet: | as long as its not car warranties, or plans to reduce credit card debt as long as you have over $10k, and can pay the $500 plan start fee |
| [16:07:33] | CyberKnet: | I'd be upset if he started moving in on my territory. |
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| [16:08:20] | jams: | that would be one heck of a battle "gnome" vs "nofee" |
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| [16:09:17] | jams: | iamlindoro- have you been watching merlin on nbc? |
| [16:09:32] | iamlindoro: | jams: No, smacked of cheap NBC stunt to me |
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| [16:10:09] | jams: | it is..tried to watch it but the fact that merlin is younger then Arthur really bugs me |
| [16:10:23] | jams: | the whole show is just wrong |
| [16:10:49] | sphery: | how long does it go on? I thought it was a mini-series? |
| [16:11:13] | jams: | sphery- could be a mini-series not for sure. |
| [16:11:22] | iamlindoro: | 13 shows |
| [16:11:30] | jams: | so a full season! |
| [16:11:30] | sphery: | so more than a mini |
| [16:12:06] | jams: | i thought it couldn't be worse then a scifi channel orginal movie, but I was wrong |
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| [16:12:15] | sphery: | heh |
| [16:12:21] | sphery: | I still have to watch Impact. |
| [16:12:55] | sphery: | After all, I've had niggling concerns over whether the moon might fall into the Earth, and it seems I can learn more from the show. |
| [16:14:17] | jams: | maybe thats why scifi keeps pumping out those movies. They are training videos for epic events. |
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| [16:14:53] | sphery: | Heh. Better training than Armageddon, at least. |
| [16:16:01] | iamlindoro: | sphery loves B movie quality stuff |
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| [16:16:10] | iamlindoro: | which explains liking Stargate, I guess |
| [16:16:15] | ** iamlindoro hides ** | |
| [16:16:39] | sphery: | hey |
| [16:16:47] | sphery: | stargate was so much more than a B |
| [16:17:07] | iamlindoro: | C- is not more than B |
| [16:17:18] | iamlindoro: | Well, it's further along I guess |
| [16:17:29] | sphery: | you can criticize 100M BC all you want, but don't say bad things about my SG |
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| [16:17:47] | meshe: | lol |
| [16:18:04] | meshe: | i liked the movie, i've never seen the series though |
| [16:18:30] | sphery: | If you're not careful, I'll send some of my local station operators out your way--to make sure you get all the weather/fire/freeze/dog-crossing-the-street warnings as well as annoying animated ads plastered all over your TV shows |
| [16:19:00] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Not at all, we're classy out here ;) |
| [16:19:04] | sphery: | I loved the movie. The series was 10x better. |
| [16:19:59] | gbee: | aye, it was |
| [16:20:31] | sphery: | think I may have to post the results of a "study" (like the one that says people enjoy shows more if they have commercials) that says that people enjoy TV more if it has all sorts of warnings/ads/... plastered all over the picture during the show |
| [16:20:53] | sphery: | that way, everyone else can suffer with me |
| [16:20:56] | gbee: | warnings? ads? |
| [16:21:25] | sphery: | yeah, it's very unusual for me to have a TV show where there's nothing overlayed on top of the picture during the show |
| [16:21:48] | sphery: | and, since we don't have any nice MHEG stuff, it's /in/ the frame from the show (not a separate stream) |
| [16:22:45] | meshe: | one of our channels does that, they usually have 15–20% of the frame covered with station junk |
| [16:23:10] | sphery: | they put up warnings or breaking news that take up anywhere from a small bar 1/8 of the height or width of the screen (scroller) to 3/4 of the screen (where they downsize the tv show picture and put it in a corner of the screen with all sorts of news/video/... in the rest |
| [16:23:29] | GreyFoxx: | Or adds for other shows on that network... I hate that |
| [16:23:31] | gbee: | only thing we have to put up with is channel logos, even that is annoying and unfortunately a growing trend (5/10 years ago they didn't exist, you were trusted to know which channel you were on without constant reminders) |
| [16:23:33] | sphery: | and then there's the animated ads in the bottom of the show. The Family Guy even did a gag on that one |
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| [16:23:45] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: that was funny :) |
| [16:23:48] | sphery: | yeah |
| [16:23:55] | sphery: | iamlindoro probably didn't understand it, though :) |
| [16:24:27] | gbee: | saw that episode, but don't really remember the joke |
| [16:24:28] | iamlindoro: | :P |
| [16:24:36] | wombo: | Its not on TV, but I HATE the bright flashing ads on websites so much that I either leave the page or cover that bit up with my hand |
| [16:25:22] | sphery: | wombo: I find that running Firefox without the flash plugin helps with that |
| [16:25:35] | sphery: | (though now with the javascript-morphing ads, it's still annoying) |
| [16:25:41] | wombo: | yeah but then you miss our on other stuff |
| [16:26:26] | gbee: | the thing which _really_ bothers me, another new trend, announcers talking over the credits and 'credit squeezing' where they reduce them to an unreadable size to display the schedule or trailers of upcoming programs |
| [16:27:02] | sphery: | I have a separate profile with flash and start my flash-enabled firefox with -no-remote, so I can have 2 separate instances (general use and just-to-see-some-flash-garbage instances) |
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| [16:27:28] | sphery: | gbee: exactly... I don't see how they can even get away with that |
| [16:27:40] | gbee: | wombo: that's why I like the option in Opera to block any content images/flash etc with a simple click – sorta like adblock but better IMHO |
| [16:28:03] | wombo: | gbee: I like that, never heard about it before |
| [16:28:03] | sphery: | sure, the credits don't seem to be important to a lot of viewers, but it's kind of insulting to the people involved when the station says they're not important enough to get the viewer's full attention |
| [16:29:13] | sphery: | Everytime I hear Modest Mouse's Dashboard, I want to watch Planes, Trains, and Automobiles, again |
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| [16:29:39] | ** laga kicks CyberKnet ** | |
| [16:30:39] | ** kormoc kicks CyberKnet for good measure ** | |
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| [16:30:56] | gbee: | wombo: they don't advertise it because merely offering that sort of thing makes them very unpopular with companies which depend upon adverts, or the brokers, hell even Opera has at times in their history depended heavily on ads and they are well aware of the hypocrisy |
| [16:31:13] | CyberKnet: | oh come on you guys. |
| [16:31:18] | gbee: | it's why it's "Block Content" and not "Block Adverts" |
| [16:31:30] | CyberKnet: | You could at least put some effort in and kick like a little boy, if not a man. |
| [16:32:55] | gbee: | aww, ID has been bought up |
| [16:33:33] | CyberKnet: | oh my |
| [16:33:38] | CyberKnet: | parent of Bethesda |
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| [16:34:13] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: If you go kicking people for no reason, you're no longer going to be one of the two people on this buggy ass project worth a damn |
| [16:34:38] | CyberKnet: | lmao |
| [16:35:10] | CyberKnet: | I wonder if ZeniMax will have as much ... committment ... to open source |
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| [16:36:02] | dlonie: | Hi all — I just moved and have a new line up. Is there a way to change the time/channel of existing recording schedules? |
| [16:36:58] | wombo: | seeing as you are an Aussie the first thing you need to do is reconfigure Shepherd for the new zone |
| [16:37:22] | wombo: | I think (help please others) it may also just sort it all out for you after that |
| [16:37:50] | dlonie: | wombo: Was that to me? |
| [16:38:05] | wombo: | dlonie: sorry yes it was |
| [16:38:30] | dlonie: | I'm not in Austrailia — NY, USA :) |
| [16:38:35] | wombo: | actually I am wrong arnt I your not aussie, I though I saw a.au |
| [16:38:39] | dlonie: | Ah :) |
| [16:38:55] | iamlindoro: | he's in buffalau |
| [16:39:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: the funniest part of his saying that is that I'm the guy on the list who's normally perceived as mean |
| [16:39:21] | dlonie: | I've reconfigured SD, but I had some schedules set to specific channels, I'd just like to change the channel they're recording on. |
| [16:39:36] | iamlindoro: | sphery: horse pucky., that was before I came along ;) |
| [16:39:57] | sphery: | dlonie: best bet is to /never/ use "this channel" rules--always use "any channel" rules |
| [16:40:07] | sphery: | dlonie: then you don't have to worry |
| [16:40:19] | CyberKnet: | sphery: Learned that one the hard way. |
| [16:40:36] | wombo: | dlonie: but if you would prefer a certain channel set its priority higher |
| [16:40:51] | sphery: | dlonie: to fix your broken "this channel" rules, change them to "any channel" rules. If you still want broken rules, then, do a "find other showings" and select the showing and change the rule to a "this channel" rule |
| [16:41:28] | sphery: | dlonie / wombo : really, you should /never/ set channel priorities unless you read /all/ of section 12.6 of the HOWTO (and, really, you should read all of section 12) |
| [16:41:33] | CyberKnet: | Hmm... I didn't know about that workaround |
| [16:41:38] | CyberKnet: | good to know. |
| [16:41:41] | wombo: | IE in Aus we symalcast the same shows on SD and HD (most of the time) so I set the HD to have a higher priority set for it |
| [16:41:41] | sphery: | once you do, you'll realize that you shouldn't use channel priorities |
| [16:41:52] | CyberKnet: | although "Any CHannel" is a better work around. |
| [16:42:23] | dlonie: | sphery, wombo: Thanks — I'll use the "Any Channel" as much as possible, but I don't want to record every showing of e.g. The Simpsons that airs :) |
| [16:42:35] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6 = why channel (or input or ...) priorities may cause you to miss shows you want to record |
| [16:42:47] | CyberKnet: | dlonie: It just makes for a lot of deleting until you get a history |
| [16:43:17] | sphery: | dlonie: that's the whole purpose of "Never Record"--teach your Myth box which episodes of The Simpsons you've seen |
| [16:43:32] | dlonie: | CyberKnet: true, but then the wife complains about all the clutter in the recordings :) |
| [16:43:36] | sphery: | dlonie: or, you can use rules that do new episodes only |
| [16:43:50] | sphery: | with never record, there's no deleting :) |
| [16:44:07] | sphery: | though there is something to be said for re-watching every episode of The Simpsons |
| [16:44:18] | sphery: | (it's amazing how much it's changed--and how much better it used to be) |
| [16:44:28] | dlonie: | sphery: That's why I have all the old seasons in MythVideo :-P |
| [16:44:53] | dlonie: | Thanks for the ideas — I should be able to get it working now :) |
| [16:45:26] | ** sphery thinks dlonie is longing for iamlindoro's TV series support in MythVideo ** | |
| [16:45:40] | iamlindoro: | All the cool kids are |
| [16:45:58] | sphery: | well, I guess that means I'm not--I don't meet either qualification |
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| [16:46:31] | dlonie: | what does that do, description fetching? |
| [16:46:40] | iamlindoro: | Can't even get the channel regulars to try my theme, trying my large MythVideo patch is out of the question I guess |
| [16:46:52] | sphery: | yeah, metadata, posters, banners, fan arts... |
| [16:47:23] | gbee: | iamlindoro: I will try it, I promise |
| [16:47:42] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Could the Upcoming Recordings screen be themed to show graphics as the you did with the Watch Recordings screen? |
| [16:48:03] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: Can't be themed for that presently, would need a patch |
| [16:48:08] | iamlindoro: | gbee: When you get around to it |
| [16:48:24] | ** sphery wonders how mikp got a DB with indices that shouldn't be there ** | |
| [16:48:47] | RDV_Linux: | It can impact which graphics the new scripts downloads, "recorded" or "scheduled". Thanks for the answer. |
| [16:49:17] | sphery: | funny thing, though, is that he did what I was waiting to recommend until he told me how he got the new indices... too bad he didn't fess up about how it got "optimized". |
| [16:49:20] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: For my money you'd parse upcoming anyway so that it's waiting there for when the recording starts |
| [16:49:55] | gbee: | RDV_Linux: which graphics? posters/banners etc? |
| [16:49:55] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: rather than having to wait for the next cron job when you start a recording |
| [16:50:21] | RDV_Linux: | I had considered having the script as a user job that downloaded when the recording was complete. |
| [16:51:18] | sphery: | daily cron wouldn't be bad |
| [16:51:25] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: Could give the option to do either, I suppose, I would like to have them waiting so that I didn't have to wait for it |
| [16:51:35] | sphery: | (and, like you said, check at least 24hrs of upcoming) |
| [16:51:36] | dlonie: | Is there a rule that only records programs that don't have the "repeat" flag? |
| [16:51:47] | sphery: | dlonie: yep |
| [16:52:08] | dlonie: | I've been looking for it, can't find it :( |
| [16:52:27] | sphery: | dlonie: http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.2 (search for "new episodes") |
| [16:52:38] | sphery: | and scroll since it's underneath the footer |
| [16:52:43] | dlonie: | sphery: thanks :) |
| [16:52:54] | sphery: | it's a filter in MythWeb if you use that to schedule |
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| [16:54:36] | RDV_Linux: | How long would you really wait? The real advantage of downloading for scheduled is that it works for both Watched recordings and a possible future theming of Scheduled Recordings. I think that I will go with Scheduled and be a little bit future proof. |
| [16:55:06] | CyberKnet: | argh. Linksys have terrible support. Latest firmware on their website doesn't work in my router "upgrade are fail" and their answer is "old product, out of warranty, limited support ... call us and pay money and we'll help" |
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| [16:55:25] | sphery: | CyberKnet: openwrt/dd-wrt compatible? |
| [16:55:29] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: I guess the advantage of doing upcoming + existing parsing is that (in theory) you would *always* have fanart/coverart for all your stuff |
| [16:55:44] | CyberKnet: | sphery: Not sure if the wireless is compatible. It's a WRT54GS v2 |
| [16:55:47] | sphery: | if so, you'll find that either of those kicks the standard linksys firmware's rear end |
| [16:55:47] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: As opposed to in progress/recent recordings potentially having nothing |
| [16:55:50] | CyberKnet: | I'd go open before dd |
| [16:55:55] | sphery: | I like open |
| [16:56:10] | CyberKnet: | Tried an openwrt firmware with the same result though ... upgrade are fail |
| [16:56:11] | sphery: | but dd seems to be easier for people to start with (better GUI config) |
| [16:56:30] | CyberKnet: | does openwrt keep your existing linksys settings when you install it? |
| [16:56:35] | sphery: | nope |
| [16:56:37] | kormoc: | negative |
| [16:56:47] | CyberKnet: | probably not a good idea for me to do that remotely then. |
| [16:56:49] | sphery: | it's kind of like installing a new distro rather than upgrading it :) |
| [16:56:54] | CyberKnet: | heheheh |
| [16:57:08] | iamlindoro: | hahahahaahaa |
| [16:57:10] | CyberKnet: | man. nambo's gonna be getting spnaked in here for years. |
| [16:57:12] | wombo: | hahaa |
| [16:57:22] | iamlindoro: | sphery: which you should always do, right? |
| [16:57:32] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: it's the better option. |
| [16:57:33] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Because I heard from a guy w/ 10 years experience that upgrading doesn't work |
| [16:57:36] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, heh, so tell us how you really feel |
| [16:57:44] | iamlindoro: | this guy's really smart, he owns his own repair business |
| [16:57:55] | sphery: | CyberKnet: looks like WRT54GS 2.0 should work fine. Hard part might be getting the firmware upgrade to work. |
| [16:57:59] | CyberKnet: | I took my PC there once. There were no viruses on it when it came back. |
| [16:58:00] | iamlindoro: | and is totally like 30 credits away from a 2 year degree |
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| [16:58:17] | CyberKnet: | sphery: Oh, thanks for looking :) I think it might be file size related – a bad check in my current firmware. |
| [16:58:29] | CyberKnet: | but getting linksys to admit that will be like pulling teeth |
| [16:58:40] | CyberKnet: | I might have to factory reset and then load open |
| [16:59:00] | CyberKnet: | assuming there is a way to do that. |
| [16:59:07] | sphery: | yeah, might require some "more involved" upgrade procedure |
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| [16:59:35] | CyberKnet: | I suppose my router must have something to prove to me. |
| [16:59:55] | sphery: | should be able to tftp if nothing else |
| [17:00:00] | iamlindoro: | I'm surprised we didn't touch on the new version = "new distro" mistake, either |
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| [17:00:45] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: He's still online – you could try |
| [17:01:00] | iamlindoro: | He'll never be able to read my message through his teary eyes |
| [17:01:08] | CyberKnet: | sphery: Hmm... I readily admit I know too little about this. I will need to read up on the docs on the openwrt site I suppose. |
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| [17:01:38] | sphery: | CyberKnet: start with: http://oldwiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs(2f)Installation.html |
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| [17:03:16] | CyberKnet: | d'oh. I just spammed #linuxtv with a message meant for here. |
| [17:03:21] | ** CyberKnet ducks in shame ** | |
| [17:03:55] | CyberKnet: | So ... since I'm already shamed ... anyone in here use twitter? What usernames should I be following? |
| [17:04:42] | gbee: | t-w-i-t-t-e-r .. ? |
| [17:05:01] | CyberKnet: | erm. yes. without the dashes. |
| [17:05:05] | CyberKnet: | ;) |
| [17:05:21] | laga: | follow mythbuntu on identi.ca |
| [17:06:43] | ** CyberKnet never indenti.ca'd ** | |
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| [17:08:21] | ** kormoc yawns ** | |
| [17:08:50] | ** CyberKnet contemplates what "The WRT54GS v2.0 uses a BCM5325EKQM switch and a BCM4712LKFB processor. Resetting to factory defaults via reset button or mtd erase nvram is not safe on this unit." means ** | |
| [17:09:09] | sphery: | kormoc: I ended up having to install the ATI Catalyst drivers on this machine (swapped mobos) and no longer get the Firefox-locks-up-system with JS morphing of images |
| [17:09:38] | kormoc: | woah, that's odd |
| [17:09:57] | kormoc: | you know, it might be cario, that does have some hardware acceleration if supported |
| [17:10:21] | sphery: | It may have just been the old gf4-class integrated GPU with 32MB shared memory |
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| [17:11:59] | gbee: | nah, don't believe that you had any success with the Catalyst driver, AMD sucks or so I've heard |
| [17:12:02] | ** iamlindoro ships his HD-PVR back to Hauppauge for burnination ** | |
| [17:12:43] | gbee: | iamlindoro: that demands questions |
| [17:12:59] | sphery: | heh |
| [17:13:21] | iamlindoro: | It's one of the first few hundred units made, no cooling, no heatsinking, so it likes to stop being an HD-PVR after a half hour or so |
| [17:13:40] | sphery: | gbee: the biggest problem I had was that the chipset (AMD 740G = RS740) is no longer supported, so I had to just randomly type in what I thought might be the URI of older release version until I found one that supported it. |
| [17:13:57] | sphery: | Just glad this is a 32-bit build |
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| [17:14:46] | gbee: | yeah, sucks that they dropped support for chipsets which are still being sold or were just a year ago |
| [17:14:47] | sphery: | oh, and that same chipset is not yet supported by radeon or radeonhd |
| [17:15:38] | gbee: | really? pretty sure that Radeonhd claimed support |
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| [17:15:42] | sphery: | I got serious visual corruption in radeon and radeonhd |
| [17:15:51] | gbee: | oh :/ |
| [17:15:59] | sphery: | I didn't use the most-current radeon, though--my server is too old |
| [17:16:10] | sphery: | I really should be working on my upgrade, now |
| [17:16:46] | gbee: | iamlindoro: ah |
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| [17:18:20] | SHADOW_V: | hey sphery i have a problem that you might beable to fix |
| [17:18:33] | sphery: | did you get my message about how to fix the recording on both sources thign? |
| [17:18:44] | SHADOW_V: | oh let me check my other computer |
| [17:19:16] | sphery: | 20090625 08:19:57<+sphery> Shadow__X: "this channel" recording rules are based on callsign. So, if you set the exact same callsign for the 2 channels on the different sources, you cannot distinguish between the 2 when created rules. If you want to be able to say "record from this channel /on this source/" you /must/ use different callsigns for the channels. |
| [17:19:47] | sphery: | s/when created/when creating/ |
| [17:20:16] | SHADOW_V: | the only thing i set the same where the xmlid's |
| [17:20:34] | SHADOW_V: | or is that what your talking about |
| [17:20:42] | sphery: | are you sure that the channel scanner/mythfilldatabase didn't set the callsigns the same? |
| [17:21:11] | sphery: | the /only/ way 2 channels are considered the same for the purposes of "this channel" rules is if they have the same callsign |
| [17:21:24] | SHADOW_V: | how would i check that because i have other channels setup the way i setup this one and they work fine recording from only one source |
| [17:21:47] | sphery: | you can use the channel editor (in mythtv-setup or MythWeb) to see callsigns |
| [17:21:50] | SHADOW_V: | how do i check the callsigns |
| [17:21:51] | sphery: | and edit them |
| [17:22:19] | sphery: | I'm guessing that you have a digital source and an analog source |
| [17:22:30] | SHADOW_V: | a stb over firewire and qam |
| [17:22:39] | ** kormoc loves it when sphery is a step ahead of the questions ** | |
| [17:22:48] | gnome42: | Ok, ok .. who added the MythBBQ option? It truly is the mythical convergence box. ;) |
| [17:23:34] | meshe: | forget mythbbq, i want mythcoffee and mythbartender |
| [17:23:40] | iamlindoro: | Not too far off with the oft-promise mythrecipe |
| [17:23:45] | iamlindoro: | er oft-promised |
| [17:23:51] | sphery: | the analog source was populated with channel callsigns from SD (using "Fetch channels", which probably just have things like WKMG). The digital source was populated with a scan, so you got whatever callsigns the streams contained. The majority were probably things like WKMG-DT, but one or two may have been without the -DT. |
| [17:24:10] | gnome42: | hehe, MythCocktail sounds good! |
| [17:24:17] | SHADOW_V: | sphery, yeah |
| [17:24:21] | sphery: | there used to be a mythrecipe... |
| [17:24:38] | sphery: | someone did promise to update it (and completely change the schema to make it better) |
| [17:25:06] | sphery: | Though I'd have to wonder why not just pop up real recipe software... |
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| [17:27:03] | gbee: | 10 foot ui, remotes etc |
| [17:27:19] | SHADOW_V: | sphery, i am in mythweb setup under tv channel info i have the challsign on numerous channels the same and the rest work |
| [17:27:28] | SHADOW_V: | is that no good |
| [17:27:45] | gbee: | though touchscreen makes more sense and proximity renders the readability/layout issue moot |
| [17:28:08] | sphery: | assuming they have good keybinding support, remotes shouldn't be a problem , but the 10' UI may be helpful (though just how big are these screens that people put in their kitchens?) |
| [17:28:34] | sphery: | SHADOW_V: callsign only affects "this channel" rules |
| [17:29:07] | sphery: | but it affects all of them--even if you /think/ it doesn't because it just happens to be planning to record from the desired source |
| [17:29:09] | SHADOW_V: | hmm so what am i doing wrong then |
| [17:29:35] | SHADOW_V: | even if i have 2 different sources it will try to record from both |
| [17:29:39] | sphery: | basically, use the same callsign when you want "this channel" rules to apply to multiple channels. Use different callsigns when you want to be able to distinguish between the channels. |
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| [17:29:55] | sphery: | SHADOW_V: oh, you're saying it's recording /the same episode/ from 2 channels. |
| [17:29:59] | SHADOW_V: | yes |
| [17:30:08] | SHADOW_V: | sorry about that |
| [17:30:09] | sphery: | SHADOW_V: that's a bug and it only happens when both episodes air at the same time |
| [17:30:32] | SHADOW_V: | sphery, but that only happens on one channel |
| [17:31:19] | sphery: | SHADOW_V: please pastebin mythbackend --printsched |
| [17:31:22] | SHADOW_V: | i have afew channels sharing callsign name and xmltvid and i can tell them to record and it willl only record from one source |
| [17:31:45] | SHADOW_V: | sure |
| [17:32:14] | sphery: | seems this is a well-loved recipe prog: http://grecipe-manager.sourceforge.net/ |
| [17:32:49] | sphery: | would probably work well with an EXEC and a touchscreen... |
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| [17:41:26] | CyberKnet: | wasn't xris working on some recipe stuff? |
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| [17:41:36] | CyberKnet: | a long while back |
| [17:41:50] | sphery: | don't know... but that would make sense (as I think his SO is into cooking) |
| [17:42:12] | CyberKnet: | Yeah, it was xris ... but I don't know if it was a web thing, or a frontend thing |
| [17:42:33] | meshe: | that's something that i would tie into a web based solution |
| [17:43:13] | CyberKnet: | I think it would be more useful tied into the LCD support. Read your recipe two lines x 16 characters at a time |
| [17:43:39] | sphery: | OK, so I'm starting to think of some nice things about having a real MythRecipe... Video/Recording playback in a corner of the screen while viewing recipes (including cooking shows :) or music playback. |
| [17:43:51] | SHADOW_V1: | sphery, http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1474459 |
| [17:44:14] | sphery: | ability to link shows to recipes (America's Test Kitchen episode on making pie crust with vodka to your pie crust recipe)... |
| [17:44:34] | sphery: | I better stop or I'm going to have to go get myself a touchscreen and a kitchen frontend. |
| [17:44:37] | meshe: | that's a good idea |
| [17:44:47] | sphery: | SHADOW_V1: which show/channel(s) |
| [17:44:51] | CyberKnet: | ability to record you making your recipe, and upload to MythVideo |
| [17:44:53] | SHADOW_V1: | the top SCIFI |
| [17:45:17] | CyberKnet: | Or just capture stills |
| [17:45:18] | SHADOW_V1: | i select to record 42–2 yet it records it on 42 |
| [17:45:30] | SHADOW_V1: | both at the same time |
| [17:45:35] | SHADOW_V1: | thats the only channel that does that |
| [17:47:48] | sphery: | SHADOW_V1: the card 0/input 0 stuff on some of the others really worries me (as our valid cardid's/cardinputid's start at 1). I think you have some ghost stuff in there. |
| [17:48:09] | sphery: | I'd recommend both the capture card and video sources portion of: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 |
| [17:48:25] | sphery: | doing so will clean out the garbage and, chances are things will work better then. |
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| [17:48:47] | SHADOW_V1: | delete all the video sources and capture cards |
| [17:48:52] | sphery: | oh, wait... |
| [17:49:12] | sphery: | nvm... those are valid 0's |
| [17:49:25] | SHADOW_V1: | i have no problem doing that but how do i save atleast one of my video sources it took along time to setup the channels and xmltvid's |
| [17:49:33] | sphery: | (I thought I saw some on ones that were recording, but my eyes were crooked) |
| [17:49:48] | SHADOW_V1: | iheh its alright again i have no problem doing that |
| [17:50:06] | SHADOW_V1: | but how do i atleast save one of the video sources that took awhile setting up |
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| [17:50:36] | sphery: | your best bet is to not try to save them. |
| [17:51:10] | SHADOW_V1: | aww but thats alot of setup like flipping through close to a hundred channels one by one |
| [17:51:11] | sphery: | if what's hard to set up is the xmltvid's, then use: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . nnel_scan.29 (before deleting) and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . channel_scan (after) |
| [17:52:24] | SHADOW_V1: | it will restore the xmltvid data after i change the channels fro m109.12 to 32–2 |
| [17:52:27] | SHADOW_V1: | correct |
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| [18:03:05] | Treito: | hello, i have a problem. mythbackend slows down my usb-sticks, but only when i run kde4 (plasma) can anybody help me? |
| [18:03:29] | SHADOW_V1: | dont use kde4 plasma |
| [18:03:42] | kormoc: | the backend or the frontend? |
| [18:04:12] | Treito: | @kormoc the backend |
| [18:04:48] | kormoc: | That doesn't seem right, as the backend doesn't do media insert checks or the like |
| [18:05:31] | laga: | that question does not seem right at all |
| [18:05:54] | Treito: | yes, but it is definitly so, when i kill the backend or i use xfce all is fine, starting plasma decreases the transferrate, killing the backend increases it |
| [18:06:38] | sphery_: | if you have the mount points you used for your USB sticks in the MythVideo directory list (or a link to them underneath one of the MythVideo directories), it could be the UPnP server scan that happens every 30 minutes... |
| [18:06:40] | Treito: | laga. where is the problem with my question?! |
| [18:07:24] | Treito: | sphery, i tried to start mythbackend with --noupnp, but without success |
| [18:07:45] | sphery_: | don't know for sure that would stop the scans |
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| [18:08:06] | SHADOW_V1: | sphery_ so i deleted everything and restarting scans ill let you know if that fixes that problem that would be nice if it does |
| [18:08:22] | sphery: | good that other sphery guy finally left... (the one who didn't lose power) |
| [18:08:48] | iamlindoro: | shepry? |
| [18:09:03] | sphery: | SHADOW_V1: yeah, please do... If it's a real bug, I'd like to fix it. If it's just a weird thing that happens sometimes, I'd like to understand it. |
| [18:09:16] | sphery: | iamlindoro: heh, no the guy whose nick I just stole :) |
| [18:09:30] | iamlindoro is now known as shepry | |
| [18:09:36] | SHADOW_V1: | yeah i would like to understand how that happens to only one channel when i though i setup all of them up as the same |
| [18:09:42] | shepry: | No, *he's* the imposter! |
| [18:09:47] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:09:55] | shepry: | Don't shoot me, shoot hm! |
| [18:10:26] | SHADOW_V1: | hm will go down |
| [18:10:35] | sphery: | anyone who knows me would know that I wouldn't beg for my life! |
| [18:10:50] | shepry: | Anyone who knows me would know that I definitely would! |
| [18:11:28] | shepry: | Plus, I capitalized properly so I must be the real thing! |
| [18:12:08] | Treito: | kormoc, do you have any idea? |
| [18:12:12] | sphery: | Now that my living-room computer is quiet, I need to read up on making a silent refrigerator... |
| [18:12:21] | ** shepry strokes his evil universe goatee... ** | |
| [18:13:19] | sphery: | it doesn't count if youjust printed it. http://www.io.com/~sjohn/goatee.htm |
| [18:13:59] | laga: | awesome |
| [18:14:24] | shepry: | dum dee dum http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding words words words http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore |
| [18:14:36] | shepry: | do the first and third step of blah blah |
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| [18:14:46] | sphery: | heh |
| [18:15:04] | Treito: | has anybody else an idea?! |
| [18:15:05] | shepry: | Only the capture card section of bork bork bork |
| [18:15:09] | sphery: | shepry: why don't you fix http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl while you're at it? |
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| [18:15:18] | shepry: | sphery: I hear it's misleading and looks like gash |
| [18:15:25] | sphery: | yep |
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| [18:15:38] | shepry is now known as iamlindoro | |
| [18:15:41] | sphery: | (though I--er, you--never tried to make it pretty :) |
| [18:15:53] | iamlindoro: | Whew, not a moment too soon, I was almost talked into helping |
| [18:15:58] | sphery: | darn |
| [18:16:23] | meshe: | that was cute |
| [18:16:32] | eviltwin: | hey. My organisation (large school) is looking at using mythtv to constantly record several channels and then break those channels up into the various programs. Is there a way to do this with Mythtv without having to schedule each show on the channels individually? |
| [18:16:41] | sphery: | good thing I chose to do some Myth stuff--I had a feeling that I'd lose power today (FPL is doing inspections in the area) |
| [18:17:02] | kormoc: | eviltwin, you can use a power schedule |
| [18:17:22] | sphery: | eviltwin: guide data + custom recording rule (a.k.a. power schedule) |
| [18:17:30] | sphery: | eviltwin: but /make sure/ you have guide data |
| [18:17:54] | sphery: | if it's "local" programming, just make appropriate xmltv files and import them with mythfilldatabase --file... |
| [18:18:28] | laga: | huh. i just saw an ad. "tired of reading on your computer screen? *download* our PHP tutorial" |
| [18:18:43] | kormoc: | Because pressing print is so much work! |
| [18:18:56] | eviltwin: | am I right in saying that it can just fetch the dvb data from the signal itself? (sorry, long time since I've used myth) |
| [18:19:06] | ** kormoc writes all his php on the back of letters and gives it to the interns to type in ** | |
| [18:19:09] | sphery: | yeah, if there's good EIT data, it can use it |
| [18:19:10] | Treito: | is there a good alternative to KDE4? |
| [18:19:11] | ** iamlindoro wonders if he's the only one amused after the last exchange that someone named eviltwin showed up ** | |
| [18:19:17] | iamlindoro: | "anything but KDE" |
| [18:19:19] | laga: | kormoc: i wish i had an intern ;) |
| [18:19:25] | laga: | Treito: KDE 3.5 |
| [18:19:38] | iamlindoro: | gbee: Font sizes are still in point size, right? |
| [18:19:39] | kormoc: | Treito, you already mentioned xfce |
| [18:20:12] | Treito: | laga, but KDE4 looks so great... |
| [18:20:14] | sphery: | eviltwin: but if it changes too frequently, it may not have the most-current info (i.e. we don't really capture the last-minute delays other than through sheer lucky timing and don't really capture last-minute overruns) |
| [18:20:18] | iamlindoro: | and works so ass |
| [18:20:20] | laga: | Treito: then use KDE 4? |
| [18:20:33] | kormoc: | Treito, then use it and deal with the slow down... there's not much we can really do... |
| [18:20:48] | Treito: | kormoc, i cannot get glipper to work |
| [18:21:04] | ** kormoc wonders how that's relatd ** | |
| [18:21:08] | kormoc: | *related |
| [18:21:27] | Treito: | kormoc, but there must be a reason why KDE4 und mythbackend slow down the stick |
| [18:21:34] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, point sizes... the switch to pixel sizes is pretty major (and would help people who have high-res screens, but not so much low-res/SDTV screens) |
| [18:21:45] | iamlindoro: | sphery: thanks |
| [18:21:49] | eviltwin: | sphery: I could have sworn there was a standard that would actually inform your set top box that a show was ending/beginning/there are adverts now |
| [18:22:09] | kormoc: | eviltwin, not a open standard afaik |
| [18:22:21] | eviltwin: | damn |
| [18:22:22] | kormoc: | other then EIT which is just show start/end time info |
| [18:22:25] | eviltwin: | oh well, not to worry :) |
| [18:22:35] | eviltwin: | I doubt that the current system deals with it properly anyway |
| [18:22:42] | at0m: | hi, for some reason both my frontends (both debian testing, one 32 and one 64bit) refuse to display OSD. Or, they don't display the text just the frames when pressing 'i' (info) or freeze/hang when pressing 'e' for edit cutpoints |
| [18:22:55] | sphery: | and though I think there was something with analog signals, it was not well-deployed and often gave worse information than just going by the schedule |
| [18:23:03] | eviltwin: | (I don't manage the current system, I just made the unfortunate mistake of saying "hey, mythtv could do that" while I was in the office) |
| [18:23:04] | at0m: | on both machines i find the FreeSans.ttf in /usr/share/mythtv/FreeSans.ttf, and i can't select another font inthe Setup. Anyone have an idea? |
| [18:23:21] | eviltwin: | I'm normally the unix guy that babysits the firewall and asterisk :P |
| [18:23:24] | gbee: | at0m: log say anything? |
| [18:23:52] | sphery: | I can tell you that at least 2 of my local stations are broadcasting signals where the timecode is off by > 10mins. So, on my TV, if I get now/next info at :05, it says it's playing the show that ended 5 minutes ago and next is the show I'm currently watching |
| [18:23:56] | iamlindoro: | The only way to win at using FreeSans is to not use FreeSans |
| [18:24:12] | sphery: | so trusting the station to get the "we're going to overrun by X minutes" correct is something I"m not willing to do :) |
| [18:24:44] | sphery: | at0m: you can /only/ select OSD fonts from those installed in your MythTV share dir: /usr/share/mythtv/ |
| [18:25:01] | gbee: | eviltwin: actually DVB-T does have a running flag, but for whatever reason we never finished implementing support – it didn't flag adverts though, just signalled that a programme has started/ended |
| [18:25:05] | at0m: | gbee: i'm sorry, it'd been like that for weeks, now that i ask and have time to fix, it solved itself |
| [18:25:10] | at0m: | checking other machine noe |
| [18:25:12] | at0m: | now |
| [18:25:26] | sphery: | at0m: the OSD theme can (attempt to--I think it got broken a couple years ago) select a font from the OSD theme directory |
| [18:26:03] | ** sphery wonders what "solved itself" means... Are you saying you see fonts that aren't in your share dir? ** | |
| [18:26:33] | Treito: | kormoc, is there anybody who could help me? |
| [18:27:26] | gbee: | janneg: just curious, what happened to your dvb-t run flag experiments? |
| [18:27:50] | sphery: | ohh.... I think solved itself means they're displaying the OSD (not that fonts are different) |
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| [18:33:14] | at0m: | gbee: still, on 32bit machine: 'font not found' http://pastebin.ca/1474509 |
| [18:33:58] | Treito: | 7minutes instead of 1 minute for 1,062.12 MB |
| [18:34:07] | sphery: | at0m: check permissions on the file and directories |
| [18:34:07] | at0m: | sphery: right, 64bit machine shows OSD fine now |
| [18:34:18] | at0m: | sphery: oki |
| [18:34:36] | sphery: | at0m: and make sure that it's using the share directory you /think/ it's using (i.e. at the top of your logs should be some info about that) |
| [18:34:47] | at0m: | oki |
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| [18:39:21] | at0m: | sphery: right, ls -al says /usr/share/mythtv/FreeSans.ttf is invalid link.. thanks! |
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| [18:41:23] | sphery: | at0m: cool |
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| [18:52:18] | CyberKnet: | sphery: Looks like boot_wait isn't enabled on my router by default (According to their wiki) and I'll have to install a serial header onto the router before I could flash an image safely to it. |
| [18:52:34] | CyberKnet: | dagnabbit that's more work than I'm competant at. |
| [18:54:15] | CyberKnet: | install = solder; and that's one thing I've never managed to do well. |
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| [19:14:05] | Shadow__X: | does mythfilldatabse normally make systems sluggish or am i experiencing why not to buy a amd be240 |
| [19:14:24] | iamlindoro: | mythfilldatabase can be quite intensive, that's normal |
| [19:14:38] | Shadow__X: | i need moar speed |
| [19:14:58] | iamlindoro: | You run mfdb once a day, for a couple minutes |
| [19:14:59] | laga: | moar renice |
| [19:15:00] | iamlindoro: | deal |
| [19:15:09] | laga: | although it probably is the mysqld |
| [19:15:34] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro,do you enjoy telling me to pipe down |
| [19:15:41] | iamlindoro: | only when it's warranted |
| [19:18:57] | laga: | i thought i needed 2G moar ram |
| [19:19:03] | laga: | still haven't fitted them |
| [19:21:11] | sphery: | CyberKnet: if it's like the WRT54G, you don't need solder--just a pointy screwdriver: http://voidmain.is-a-geek.net:81/redhat/wrt54g_revival.html |
| [19:21:34] | laga: | sphery: i think the openwrt guys really don't like that approach |
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| [19:24:04] | sphery: | I haven't tried it, and I understand why they might not like that approach |
| [19:24:58] | laga: | the proper method for reviving a wrt54g is a jtag cable |
| [19:25:00] | sphery: | seems there was also an exploit in some of the WRT54GS Linksys firmware versions which allowed enabling it with a "ping hack": http://martybugs.net/wireless/openwrt/flash.cgi |
| [19:25:02] | laga: | though i havent tried that |
| [19:26:07] | laga: | i assume he bricked the unit? |
| [19:28:52] | sphery: | he said that the linksys web interface won't accept a linksys firmware upload (or an openwrt firmware) |
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| [19:29:18] | laga: | ooh |
| [19:29:23] | laga: | never mind then |
| [19:29:29] | laga: | then he'd best flash it using tftp |
| [19:29:50] | sphery: | yeah, but boot_wait isn't on, so he has to find a way to enable it |
| [19:30:34] | laga: | hum |
| [19:30:38] | laga: | i don't remember how i did it |
| [19:30:47] | laga: | when i got my new one, it was a wrt54gl |
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| [19:31:50] | sphery: | yeah, gl has boot_wait on by default, I think. I just did an upgrade using the linksys web page. |
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| [19:33:13] | hu: | HEIL HITLER |
| [19:33:13] | laga: | i didn't have to use boot_wait, i just uploaded the firmware using the interface |
| [19:33:13] | hu: | â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â– ‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘ |
| [19:33:13] | hu: | ░░█████░░░░░░░░░██████████■ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–‘â–‘ |
| [19:33:13] | hu: | ░░█████░░░░░░░░░██████████■ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–‘â–‘ |
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| [19:33:18] | hu: | ░░█████░░░░░░░░░█████░░░░░■‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘ |
| [19:33:21] | hu: | ░░█████░░░░░░░░░█████░░░░░■‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘ |
| [19:33:24] | hu: | ░░█████░░░░░░░░░█████░░░░░■‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘ |
| [19:33:27] | hu: | ░░█████░░░░░░░░░█████░░░░░■‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘â–‘ |
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| [19:33:35] | hu: | ░░████████████████████████■ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–ˆâ–‘â–‘ |
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| [19:33:44] | CoreDump: | heh |
| [19:34:04] | CoreDump: | a nazi from france...idiot |
| [19:34:18] | laga: | yes, that's probably the dumbest thing i've seen today |
| [19:34:40] | sphery: | yeah, boot wait is only necessary if using tftp |
| [19:34:54] | sphery: | and since the web interface isn't working... |
| [19:35:05] | laga: | oops |
| [19:35:11] | laga: | sphery: sorry, wasn't following the discussion |
| [19:35:39] | squidly: | all I can say is wtf? |
| [19:36:13] | iamlindoro: | Did someone let the news that MythTV is run by a secret jewish cabal out to the public? |
| [19:36:15] | sphery: | perhaps my lack of charset support is a good thing, here... I'm guessing there was more to that than just a bunch of lines of question marks |
| [19:36:37] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Not much more |
| [19:36:40] | squidly: | sphery: yea |
| [19:36:48] | iamlindoro: | got about a half a swastika in there |
| [19:36:51] | laga: | was supposed to be a swastika |
| [19:36:51] | sphery: | ascii art (with unicode chars?) |
| [19:36:57] | gbee: | sphery: half an ascii art swastika |
| [19:37:04] | sphery: | wow |
| [19:37:16] | iamlindoro: | on an unmasked IP, no less |
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| [19:37:28] | iamlindoro: | Although I suppose it could be tor |
| [19:38:37] | gbee: | yeah, I'd ban the IP but I have leave/join messages suppressed so I don't have the details |
| [19:39:08] | laga: | n=hu1@abo-166-58-68.mts.modulonet.fr |
| [19:39:09] | iamlindoro: | abo-166-58–68.mts.modulonet.fr |
| [19:39:13] | gbee: | don't expect him to be back, in fact if he did it in other chans I guess he's already been kick/banned from the entire network |
| [19:39:15] | laga: | he's k-lined anyways ;) |
| [19:39:29] | gbee: | yeah, guess he would be |
| [19:39:44] | wagnerrp: | well that was fun |
| [19:40:16] | wagnerrp: | was that just a spam auto-kick? |
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| [19:45:34] | sphery: | wonder how many people will figure out that the extra "- |
| [19:45:56] | sphery: | " – " in my most-recent post to -users list was where I planned to put the URI to the tmdb.pl wiki page |
| [19:46:03] | laga: | heh |
| [19:47:01] | iamlindoro: | 0 |
| [19:47:23] | sphery: | daylight come and me wanna go home? |
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| [19:52:27] | meshe: | wow, this seems like a good idea *rolls eyes*: http://idle.slashdot.org/story/09/06/25/15352 . . . ngs-Marathon |
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| [19:52:58] | wagnerrp: | well you know... Middle East meets Middle Earth |
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| [19:53:38] | meshe: | movies about the little guy being able to destroy tyranny? good message to send to the iranian people :) |
| [19:54:27] | meshe: | actually it's a good thing for the people, i just have to laugh at how well thought out the idea was |
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| [20:03:13] | AndyCap: | maybe it's a "Ayatollah's Cut" |
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| [20:03:58] | iamlindoro: | In this version, Sauron shoots first |
| [20:04:46] | CyberKnet: | laga/sphery: Well, I suppose I can try the tftp, and if it bricks then I could do the pointy screwdriver method. If all else fails then I just go buy a new wireless router I guess. |
| [20:05:32] | meshe: | yeah, buy a GL :) |
| [20:05:49] | laga: | or something newer |
| [20:05:54] | laga: | maybe one of these nice ASUS ones |
| [20:06:23] | CyberKnet: | Haven't seen anything Wireless-N that dd- or openwrt support, have you? |
| [20:06:41] | CyberKnet: | almost certain that openwrt doesn't have any supported. |
| [20:06:53] | CyberKnet: | dd-wrt less sure, but less inclined to use that firmware. |
| [20:07:17] | CyberKnet: | It always seems like you are supposed to pay for it, and there's this general "not open, but not closed" feel about it that I get. |
| [20:07:22] | iamlindoro: | Asus 500W |
| [20:07:34] | iamlindoro: | N + dd-wrt |
| [20:07:50] | laga: | iamlindoro: what about openwrt? |
| [20:07:58] | iamlindoro: | laga: I don't know |
| [20:08:05] | CyberKnet: | Are you supposed to pay for dd-wrt? |
| [20:08:06] | AndyCap: | sveasoft!! :P |
| [20:08:34] | iamlindoro: | CyberKnet: If you're supposed to, I never have |
| [20:08:44] | CyberKnet: | I can't ever tell based on their website. |
| [20:09:03] | iamlindoro: | They sell lots of stuf, from their own custom routers to t-shirts, but the firmware is free |
| [20:09:13] | CyberKnet: | iamlindoro: Don't suppose you happen to know one that has a gigabit switch in it, eh? |
| [20:09:20] | iamlindoro: | It's 100 Mbit |
| [20:09:24] | CyberKnet: | yep, saw that. |
| [20:09:33] | iamlindoro: | I only know about that one, because I got it recently |
| [20:09:39] | iamlindoro: | I just went Router->Switch->network |
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| [20:10:31] | CyberKnet: | Yeah, I'm actually contemplating going Firewall Router->Switch->Wireless AP and separating all of those duties out |
| [20:10:56] | sphery: | that's how I have mine |
| [20:11:18] | CyberKnet: | Firewall Router I was considering a Cisco PIX 501 or 506E |
| [20:11:34] | sphery: | though I do use the 4 ports on the wireless ap for 4 extra 100Mbit network ports |
| [20:12:22] | kormoc: | if only the mac mini had two network ports... |
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| [20:14:29] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: seems a bit overpowered for a router |
| [20:14:42] | wagnerrp: | unless youve got a FiOS line or something |
| [20:14:47] | ** kormoc has a fios line ** | |
| [20:14:57] | iamlindoro: | an ever-faster FIOS line |
| [20:15:04] | gbee: | and probably not power efficient in comparison |
| [20:15:06] | kormoc: | 25x15 now ;) |
| [20:15:15] | sphery: | yeah, power is the big problem with my setup |
| [20:15:17] | ** CyberKnet kicks kormoc ** | |
| [20:15:21] | kormoc: | but it'd also be the firewall, web server, mysql server, etc |
| [20:15:25] | wagnerrp: | oh, well one of the geode boxes would handle that little bandwidth |
| [20:15:28] | sphery: | separate hosts doing separate functions |
| [20:15:34] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, move somewhere civilized! |
| [20:15:45] | squidly: | CyberKnet: get a asa5505, more power and easier configuration |
| [20:15:49] | iamlindoro: | sphery: how "clever" of you |
| [20:15:50] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [20:15:52] | wagnerrp: | im not a big fan of running extra functions on a firewall |
| [20:16:09] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: APparently that action is civilized enough for here: [11:30] * +kormoc kicks CyberKnet for good measure |
| [20:16:19] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, doubtful the geo could handle the 18 gigs of database... |
| [20:16:25] | CyberKnet: | squidly: Got one spare, or $500 to cover the difference? |
| [20:16:28] | CyberKnet: | ;) |
| [20:16:32] | squidly: | CyberKnet: lol |
| [20:16:39] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, if they're public services, it seems sane enough imho for a home box |
| [20:16:48] | wagnerrp: | hell, the minimac probably couldnt handle an 18GB database |
| [20:16:54] | squidly: | oh yea.. I forget I can get them for $300 here at work ;) |
| [20:17:01] | wagnerrp: | how much memory can you get in those things? |
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| [20:17:04] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, heh, I ment move to FIOS |
| [20:17:08] | wagnerrp: | 2GB? |
| [20:17:13] | CyberKnet: | squidly: 10, 50 or UL? |
| [20:17:17] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, 4 gb, more then I have now on my db box |
| [20:17:43] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: I respectfully wish to keep my misinformed position, and kick you. |
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| [20:17:57] | squidly: | CyberKnet: UL |
| [20:17:59] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, fair 'nuff |
| [20:18:09] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: heh |
| [20:18:15] | squidly: | I wish I could get something orhte then cable wiht good speed |
| [20:18:18] | CyberKnet: | squidly: that's some serious discount. |
| [20:18:28] | squidly: | CyberKnet: we get them at reseler prices ;) |
| [20:18:37] | squidly: | (because we resell them) |
| [20:18:58] | CyberKnet: | squidly: I may have to buy two of them from you at cost, and sell the second one to cover part of the cost of the first one :P |
| [20:19:13] | squidly: | lol |
| [20:19:20] | squidly: | CyberKnet: they would KILL me |
| [20:19:33] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, worth it |
| [20:19:36] | CyberKnet: | squidly: Does it speak ill of me that I would be OK with that as long as you had shipped my ASA? |
| [20:19:40] | CyberKnet: | :D |
| [20:19:52] | squidly: | CyberKnet: umm.. yea and no ;) |
| [20:20:01] | CyberKnet: | aah well, conjecture anyway. |
| [20:20:23] | squidly: | yea. I would love to get one. Right now I'm on a 501 |
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| [20:20:45] | kormoc: | now granted, I'd sell both of them and get a procurve... |
| [20:20:50] | CyberKnet: | You know, if that 501 is 10/100, I could see buying it from you if you upgraded to a 5505... ;) |
| [20:21:13] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: a procurve? |
| [20:21:20] | squidly: | yea but I have an issue with the power.. if I move the power cord it will reset the power |
| [20:21:22] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, hp's line |
| [20:21:26] | squidly: | s/power/firewall |
| [20:21:34] | squidly: | kormoc: they are pretty good |
| [20:22:03] | kormoc: | I like them better then the Ciscos |
| [20:22:17] | CyberKnet: | What's their entry level device? |
| [20:22:30] | squidly: | kormoc: it depends on the usage |
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| [20:22:54] | squidly: | for leafs they are pretty good |
| [20:23:08] | squidly: | I like Allca-Telle Switches |
| [20:23:35] | kormoc: | CyberKnet, depends, what do you want it to do? |
| [20:23:49] | CyberKnet: | This thing doesn't look like an ASA-5505 level device... looks much bigger |
| [20:23:56] | CyberKnet: | kormoc: basic firewalling and routing |
| [20:24:15] | CyberKnet: | liek you'd use an ASA-5505 or PIX-501 for – branch office level hardware |
| [20:25:00] | squidly: | or a lower traffic main office |
| [20:25:10] | squidly: | I use them on t1 lines |
| [20:25:34] | CyberKnet: | Yeah. very low volume routing and firewalling, but enterprise gear, not consumer crud |
| [20:25:48] | kormoc: | I think they have the access controller 800 for that role, I've only really used them in core and edge setups |
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| [20:26:23] | kormoc: | squidly, you really haven't used them right, it's nice when you have 10GbE lines to the cores :) |
| [20:26:42] | kormoc: | but sadly I've only been able to do that in testing, never productions |
| [20:27:07] | CyberKnet: | Heard anything (positive or negative) about Juniper gear lately? |
| [20:27:30] | kormoc: | Lindon labs still loves them |
| [20:27:37] | iamlindoro: | Have a Juniper VPN appliance here, I like it quite a lot |
| [20:27:39] | squidly: | kormoc: sorry I ment to say I used the asa's on t1 lines |
| [20:27:48] | squidly: | yea we use them on most of our clients cores |
| [20:28:07] | CyberKnet: | does the SRX210 have an ethernet WAN option? |
| [20:28:36] | squidly: | juniper's are pretty good |
| [20:28:44] | squidly: | I dont like the asa's for l2l vpns any more |
| [20:28:51] | squidly: | they are good firewalls |
| [20:29:41] | squidly: | CyberKnet: you will be supprised the difference between a pix-501 and a linksys |
| [20:30:28] | squidly: | I wish the pix could do ospf (so I could use it in a lab) |
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| [20:37:37] | mattygabe: | is there a way to "save" an option selected for "video-scan" for a particular channel? |
| [20:38:27] | mattygabe: | for instance, channel 33.3 in MythTV needs Progressive scan, or else the picture and all menus drawn by Myth are very buggy, and then other channels require interlacing to produce a clear picture, yet every time go into myth I have to reset these options... can I set default video-scan values and change them later? |
| [20:39:17] | sphery: | nope |
| [20:39:26] | sphery: | Myth's player always uses the information specified by the video |
| [20:39:39] | sphery: | so the best bet is to report the error to the broadcaster |
| [20:39:42] | mattygabe: | damn... that's annoying |
| [20:39:49] | mattygabe: | sorry for language |
| [20:39:56] | mattygabe: | darn... that's annoying |
| [20:40:04] | sphery: | kind of a garbage in, garbage out thing |
| [20:40:26] | sphery: | this is digital tv, right? |
| [20:40:36] | sphery: | if it's analog, you may need to fix your recording settings |
| [20:40:44] | mattygabe: | yes, i have an atsc-only tuner |
| [20:40:50] | sphery: | yeah, contact the broadcaster |
| [20:40:56] | mattygabe: | and i believe it's the live feed |
| [20:40:56] | sphery: | lots of them are still trying to figure things out |
| [20:40:59] | mattygabe: | i see |
| [20:41:10] | mattygabe: | i will, thanks for that. would have never considered contacting them |
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| [20:41:30] | sphery: | sounds like they're just encoding improperly |
| [20:41:33] | gbee: | this is something that playback groups could be expanded to handle, IMHO it's a criminally under-featured facility |
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| [20:42:19] | mattygabe: | so the best way to provide info to the broadcaster is to tell them my situation, and explain what the picture looks like? |
| [20:44:28] | mattygabe: | because the problem occurs (at the current moment) on 33.3 and 33.2, but 33.1 is fine on startup... 33.3 is a 24/7 weather channel, so it's the same output all the time |
| [20:44:37] | mattygabe: | very interesting |
| [20:44:43] | sphery: | mattygabe: you do realize that you can enable a deinterlacer in your playback profile, but when you watch a show from 33.3, you can hit M(enu)|Video Scan|Progressive, right? (I.e. you don't need to change the playback profile each time.) |
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| [20:45:52] | mattygabe: | yes, that's what I meant, if I could somehow do some legwork now in order to save the choice of a deinterlacer rather than having to go to the menu and choosing it each and every time |
| [20:46:09] | sphery: | and, it's not surprising that it's their subchannels that are broken (they get far less attention) :) |
| [20:46:16] | mattygabe: | i only found out about it after I looked up the myth keyboard shortcuts, and played around with everything in the menu |
| [20:47:52] | CyberKnet: | squidly: how do you mean I will be surprised? Good or bad? |
| [20:49:26] | mattygabe: | msg sphery thanks for your help once again. the more and more I use myth the more I love it, and you're really helping me use the most of its features quickly, so thanks again. |
| [20:49:31] | mattygabe: | grr |
| [20:49:35] | mattygabe: | well, you get the point |
| [20:49:38] | mattygabe: | even if I fail horribly |
| [20:49:41] | mattygabe: | ;-) |
| [20:49:46] | laga: | ooooooh |
| [20:49:50] | laga: | get a room you two ;) |
| [20:50:17] | mattygabe: | me and the software, or me and sphery? ;-) |
| [20:50:36] | CyberKnet: | yes |
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| [20:53:55] | sphery: | heh |
| [20:54:01] | sphery: | you're welcome |
| [20:54:08] | sphery: | hope the broadcaster fixes things |
| [20:58:07] | iamlindoro: | msg sphery wow, can you believe that last guy? I sure wouldn't want to make that mistake. So are you wearing that lacy pink thing like I asked? |
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| [20:59:28] | sphery: | ^^^ I have no idea what you're talking about |
| [21:00:06] | iamlindoro: | see the msg gone wrong at :50 after the hour :) |
| [21:00:10] | gbee: | sure you don't |
| [21:00:28] | sphery: | I understood the joke... I just don't know what pink thing you mean. |
| [21:00:52] | laga: | it's about time we give sphery the talk |
| [21:00:54] | gbee: | maybe it was more of a salmon shade? |
| [21:01:05] | sphery: | just trying to make sure everyone else knows it's a joke :) |
| [21:01:05] | laga: | gbee: that was when he took it off.. |
| [21:01:57] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [21:02:24] | iamlindoro: | Well there's my good deed for the day |
| [21:03:13] | sphery: | which deed? Don't see any messages on the lists... |
| [21:03:32] | iamlindoro: | No, the one where I cast false aspersions about helpful people |
| [21:03:39] | iamlindoro: | oh, did I say "good"? |
| [21:03:39] | sphery: | oh |
| [21:04:02] | iamlindoro: | I meant "sinister" |
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| [21:04:48] | iamlindoro: | <-- hopes he hasn't actually offended sphery |
| [21:04:54] | sphery: | nope |
| [21:05:03] | sphery: | just watching Nova, so only half here |
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| [21:35:29] | Shadow__X: | i think this time when things are setup the right way db backup i go |
| [21:35:37] | Shadow__X: | stupid scifi |
| [21:36:40] | iamlindoro: | You spelled SyFy wrong |
| [21:37:08] | kormoc: | It's cause he's Gen X and not Gen Y |
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| [21:45:55] | squidly: | CyberKnet: sorry I ment supprised as in good |
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| [21:59:12] | CyberKnet: | squidly: heh |
| [21:59:36] | CyberKnet: | squidly: well, I'll just wait for a good deal on a 506E to present its self on eBay. I'm in no hurry. |
| [21:59:49] | squidly: | CyberKnet: Understood |
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| [21:59:57] | squidly: | you going to setup vpn on it? |
| [22:00:06] | ** squidly does not have ssh open to the world any more ** | |
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| [22:09:34] | CyberKnet: | squidly: I would imagine so, VPN access would allow me to narrow down my publically exposed services quite a bit |
| [22:10:21] | CyberKnet: | well, alter folks. got to get home. |
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| [22:11:17] | iamlindoro: | Hmm... so unconfirmed reports saying Michael Jackson is dead after his heart attack today |
| [22:12:19] | meshe: | first twitter, then 2 irc channels, wow |
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| [22:12:42] | wagnerrp: | ok kids, its safe to go outside and play again |
| [22:12:44] | XLV: | good news travel fast |
| [22:13:18] | meshe: | yeah, i like so got that tweet like 45 minutes ago |
| [22:13:27] | meshe: | old news already ;) |
| [22:13:27] | Shadow__X: | iamlindoro,SCIFI Sci-Fi Channel |
| [22:13:41] | iamlindoro: | Shadow__X, SyFy, SyFy Channel |
| [22:13:51] | Shadow__X: | thats what SD says |
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| [22:14:05] | Shadow__X: | and zap2it |
| [22:14:05] | meshe: | The Channel Formerly Known as Sci-Fi |
| [22:14:06] | iamlindoro: | That's what SyFy says (Nee SciFi) |
| [22:14:18] | iamlindoro: | http://www.syfy.com/ |
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| [22:16:16] | iamlindoro: | Wonder if his many medical procedures had any bearing on it |
| [22:16:40] | wagnerrp: | in related news, a Tennessee man was charged with virtual child pornography after taking the faces of children, and putting them on the bodies of adult women |
| [22:17:02] | sid3windr: | :| |
| [22:17:21] | ** kormoc wonders what's going to happen to all the short second life sex addicts ** | |
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| [22:18:51] | XLV: | wagnerrp, how american.. |
| [22:19:03] | kormoc: | oh lord, not again... |
| [22:19:22] | laga: | they should just ban photoshop |
| [22:19:29] | kormoc: | XLV, didn't you get tired enough the last time you bashed America? |
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| [22:19:56] | iamlindoro: | I wish we americans weren't the source of everything bad, criminal and boorish |
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| [22:20:21] | iamlindoro: | It would be okay if we were at all cultured or educated |
| [22:20:23] | iamlindoro: | alas! |
| [22:20:28] | XLV: | kormoc, i dont bash america, but they tend to have a somewhat legal weirdness |
| [22:20:54] | laga: | s/america/the USA/ |
| [22:21:02] | XLV: | though its transfered to EU lately too |
| [22:21:21] | kormoc: | laga, Meh, Neather Canada or Mexico want 'America'.... |
| [22:21:36] | laga: | kormoc: what about south america? |
| [22:21:45] | kormoc: | laga, they have the south to set them apart :P |
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| [22:22:37] | meshe: | i'm a canadian and I may move to the USA in a couple years |
| [22:22:54] | ** kormoc thinks meshe needs a shot of moosedrool asap ** | |
| [22:23:13] | meshe: | lol |
| [22:23:32] | meshe: | property is sooo much cheaper in the US |
| [22:24:04] | kormoc: | well... once you get out of Vancouver Metro (including Surry, Burnaby, etc), it's not /that/ bad |
| [22:24:38] | ** iamlindoro imagines where he lives has to be more expensive than most of Canada ** | |
| [22:24:42] | meshe: | 10 minutes south of the border i can buy a house for 1/4 of the cost this side of it |
| [22:25:09] | meshe: | and i'm looking for acreage |
| [22:25:12] | kormoc: | Sure, but if you moved to a similar area on your side (say powell river), it's slightly cheaper... |
| [22:25:44] | ** iamlindoro likes Victoria ** | |
| [22:25:48] | iamlindoro: | it's purty |
| [22:25:49] | meshe: | uhhh, yeah, but i wouln't be near Vancouver or Seattle |
| [22:26:01] | kormoc: | Blaine is considered fairly... worthless in terms of tech jobs |
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| [22:26:28] | meshe: | kormoc: true, but it's only an hour to Van or 2 to Seattle |
| [22:26:46] | kormoc: | iirc isn't Maple Ridge like dirt cheap right now? |
| [22:26:59] | meshe: | no, it's all going nuts here |
| [22:27:17] | meshe: | 3rd most livable place in the world |
| [22:28:13] | kormoc: | wouldn't have thought that would have changed much |
| [22:28:29] | kormoc: | but then, it's been a few years sense I last looked into real estate in Vancouver |
| [22:28:47] | meshe: | metro vancouver has inflated so bad, so people are moving further out and the prices are going up there |
| [22:29:10] | kormoc: | I've always liked Seattle better then Vancouver |
| [22:29:22] | meshe: | honestly, i could live in either |
| [22:29:23] | kormoc: | way less annoying to get around in |
| [22:29:39] | kormoc: | but less places to speed too ;) |
| [22:29:49] | meshe: | and my husband was born in Seattle, so i could work out employment easier |
| [22:29:55] | meshe: | easyish |
| [22:30:19] | kormoc: | fair 'nuff |
| [22:30:24] | kormoc: | we're in a bit of a slump right now |
| [22:30:37] | kormoc: | just hit 9.6% unemployment for Seattle Metro |
| [22:30:39] | kormoc: | and it's going up |
| [22:31:04] | meshe: | aye, i'm hoping in about 2 years we'll have something going that I can work online instead of in an office |
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| [22:34:15] | meshe: | could also just get Nexxus and keep working in Vancouver |
| [22:34:25] | kormoc: | True, they're dirt cheap |
| [22:34:56] | kormoc: | I keep meaning to get one, but I just don't go up often enough anymore |
| [22:35:09] | meshe: | wow, 1 month and I'll have worked at the same .com for 10 years |
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| [22:35:37] | ** kormoc is way too flaky to do 10 years... ** | |
| [22:36:16] | meshe: | as long as the job stays interesting, i don't mind staying |
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| [22:37:26] | gbee: | "I have just upgraded to Fedora 11 on a generic AMD x64 and MythTV which was working well under F10 crashes EVERY time I run it." |
| [22:38:19] | iamlindoro: | Bah! Apparently r8169 has a regression on 2.6.28 w/ certain hardware... mine included |
| [22:38:21] | gbee: | reminds me of the old joke, "Patient: Doctor, it hurts when I do this!" ... "Doctor: Well stop doing it then" |
| [22:38:21] | iamlindoro: | wonder if there's a fix out yet... |
| [22:38:26] | ** kormoc wants less -users in -users ** | |
| [22:38:56] | kormoc: | yeah |
| [22:39:02] | iamlindoro: | When XBMC forks myth that problem will take care of itself |
| [22:39:09] | kormoc: | I often wonder about people who thinks things are always one way |
| [22:39:21] | sphery: | gbee: I've heard a lot of people complaining about mythfrontend and/or mythtv-setup crashing after upgrading to F11 |
| [22:39:29] | sphery: | starting to wonder about the package |
| [22:40:01] | iamlindoro: | that's what she said |
| [22:40:16] | meshe: | sphery: it's because they are doing OS upgrades, they don't work remember? |
| [22:40:24] | sphery: | oh, yeah |
| [22:40:29] | sphery: | they should have just reinstalled |
| [22:40:55] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [22:41:03] | iamlindoro: | oh, when the new distro came out? |
| [22:41:41] | meshe: | yeah... |
| [22:42:07] | ** meshe refrains from slapping the webdesigner: <input type="radio" name="radiobutton" ** | |
| [22:42:09] | iamlindoro: | meshe, Making a joke about the same guy who said upgrades in linux don't work |
| [22:42:21] | iamlindoro: | meshe, called new versions "new distros" too |
| [22:42:23] | meshe: | iamlindoro: i know, i was lurking at the time |
| [22:42:32] | iamlindoro: | ah, ok |
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| [22:43:06] | meshe: | that guy was way too wound up |
| [22:43:10] | kormoc: | the oldest dir on my server is July 14, 2002, that was the last time I installed an os on my server :) All upgrades ever sense |
| [22:43:24] | iamlindoro: | meshe, he's been that way for *weeks* |
| [22:43:32] | gbee: | huh, Michael Jackson is dead? Why does that feel like an April fool ... |
| [22:43:48] | iamlindoro: | AFAICT it's a combination of little experience, low self confidence, and big ego |
| [22:44:08] | iamlindoro: | gbee, so it seems |
| [22:44:16] | sid3windr: | let it go son. |
| [22:44:20] | sid3windr: | just let it go. |
| [22:44:21] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [22:44:27] | meshe: | lol, that part was good |
| [22:44:34] | ** iamlindoro feels a little guilty having mixed feelings about MJ ** | |
| [22:44:51] | phunyguy: | well |
| [22:44:54] | phunyguy: | no matter who it is |
| [22:44:57] | phunyguy: | 50 is too young |
| [22:45:00] | iamlindoro: | fun memories of being a kid and doing "Thriller," no problems whatsoever about seeing a child molestor go |
| [22:45:02] | gbee: | aye |
| [22:45:04] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [22:45:06] | sphery: | woah... he was 50? |
| [22:45:09] | sid3windr: | I liked MJ 10 years ago too |
| [22:45:09] | sid3windr: | hehe |
| [22:45:09] | phunyguy: | yeah |
| [22:45:12] | sid3windr: | uh 50?! |
| [22:45:13] | sid3windr: | woah :) |
| [22:45:15] | phunyguy: | my mom was 42 when she went |
| [22:45:24] | XLV: | sid3windr, yeah, we get older |
| [22:45:25] | phunyguy: | she was a miserable mom |
| [22:45:29] | phunyguy: | but 42 is too young |
| [22:45:44] | phunyguy: | in fact |
| [22:45:47] | phunyguy: | she would be 51 now |
| [22:45:57] | sid3windr: | be prepared for lots of MJ tomorrow on the radio |
| [22:46:01] | sphery: | heh, the top linked news story on Google is unreachable (perhaps all of latimes website) |
| [22:46:02] | sid3windr: | phunyguy: :( |
| [22:46:36] | gbee: | sid3windr: and weeks of MJ tribute documentaries etc on TV |
| [22:46:42] | sid3windr: | [26|00:19:36] <@Axu> Vaizki | News just in – Jackson died of heart failure when he saw a Walmart commercial advertising "Little Boys Pants Half-Off" |
| [22:46:48] | sid3windr: | counter it with that ;) |
| [22:47:51] | kormoc: | meh |
| [22:48:26] | kormoc: | there were reasons he was aquited, he might have never actually done the dead... |
| [22:48:30] | kormoc: | *deed |
| [22:48:51] | sphery: | though if he did the dead, I think there's a law against that, too |
| [22:49:22] | ** kormoc wonders if that's a law in washington ** | |
| [22:49:25] | gbee: | puts thriller into a new context ... |
| [22:49:56] | sphery: | Gary, Indiana? |
| [22:49:59] | sphery: | who knew? |
| [22:50:02] | iamlindoro: | Here at globogym, we realize that "fatness" and "ugliness" are just genetic defects, like baldness, or necrophilia! |
| [22:50:08] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Me! |
| [22:50:17] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, so how is ol' Gary? |
| [22:50:31] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Still the dirtiest city in America, thanks! |
| [22:50:33] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [22:50:48] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [22:51:24] | kormoc: | Indiana Gary is a awesome Indiana Jones knockoff name |
| [22:52:22] | ** iamlindoro rushes to the trademark office ** | |
| [22:53:03] | iamlindoro: | Bah, all my facebook friends are all boo hoo |
| [22:53:36] | ** kormoc mutes his facebook ** | |
| [22:53:52] | ** sphery has neither facebook nor friends ** | |
| [22:54:10] | iamlindoro: | If you get one, you end up with the other |
| [22:54:15] | ** kormoc thinks there's an operation that can fix that ** | |
| [22:54:18] | sphery: | heh |
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| [22:55:17] | iamlindoro: | I'mma get in trouble, though |
| [22:55:45] | iamlindoro: | I posted "Is it okay to not be all that broken up when someone you're pretty sure was an awful person dies?" |
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| [22:56:01] | iamlindoro: | Note I didn't say that I was dancing in the streets or anything |
| [22:56:18] | ** kormoc watches iamlindoro's friend count trend towards zero ** | |
| [22:56:55] | iamlindoro: | That's the kind of thing you want to watch on a comedic analog meter |
| [22:58:11] | iamlindoro: | actually, first person to comment on it is a regular in here, heh |
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| [22:59:05] | kormoc: | and not even American! Our pop stars keep dyeing and theirs keep getting older and older |
| [23:00:00] | wagnerrp: | pop is dead? horray! |
| [23:00:47] | gbee: | iamlindoro: the Farrah Fawcett fans are going to wonder just what made her so awful in your eyes |
| [23:01:09] | iamlindoro: | gbee, Farrah Fawcett was always rather nice to my eyes |
| [23:01:48] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: I know I am way behind on the conversation(s), but it is actually Syfy, not SyFy. |
| [23:02:04] | iamlindoro: | CORRECTION TROUT! |
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| [23:02:09] | iamlindoro: | !trout jpabq correction |
| [23:02:09] | ** MythLogBot slaps jpabq with a correction trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [23:03:09] | jpabq: | Heh, I didn't see a trout when you made the SciFi ->SyFy correction! |
| [23:03:29] | sid3windr: | !trout jpabq correctioncorrection |
| [23:03:29] | ** MythLogBot slaps jpabq with a correctioncorrection trout on behalf of sid3windr... ** | |
| [23:03:31] | wagnerrp: | looks like thats starting in around 2 weeks |
| [23:03:31] | sid3windr: | :> |
| [23:04:13] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, But it was eligible :) |
| [23:04:23] | jpabq: | :-) |
| [23:04:50] | ** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a stinky old correction trou trout on behalf of kormoc... ** | |
| [23:04:58] | iamlindoro: | Ewwwwww |
| [23:04:59] | kormoc: | forgot about that behalf bit... |
| [23:05:38] | sid3windr: | ye gods |
| [23:05:41] | iamlindoro: | stealth trout |
| [23:05:43] | sid3windr: | even profile pictures change to MJ |
| [23:05:44] | wagnerrp: | a trou trout? |
| [23:06:06] | kormoc: | they're extra trouty |
| [23:06:25] | kormoc: | just missing a bit of their tail |
| [23:06:55] | ** sid3windr reinstalls a debian just for the sake of it ** | |
| [23:07:13] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr, So a new version must have come out then? |
| [23:07:17] | sphery: | I'm so glad Better Off Ted is back |
| [23:07:25] | sphery: | didn't expect more until next season |
| [23:07:25] | iamlindoro: | Ah-yup, we're gonna get a lot of mileage out of ol' nambo |
| [23:07:30] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: yeah I got this security update for samba |
| [23:07:34] | kormoc: | "Jackson had rented the Bel-Air home for $100,000 a month" |
| [23:07:35] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [23:07:35] | sid3windr: | so I'm currently reinstalling the fileserver |
| [23:07:44] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr, heh |
| [23:07:57] | iamlindoro: | Seriously, can you imagine his customers? |
| [23:08:00] | sid3windr: | I'll be restoring the fileshares from backup tomorrow during the day... should be back up by monday! |
| [23:08:00] | jpabq: | ohhh, what I could do with $100,000/month! |
| [23:08:19] | sid3windr: | iamlindoro: you don't need too many to fill your day if you're continually reinstalling... |
| [23:08:31] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr, Oh I'm sure he stayed busy |
| [23:08:34] | sid3windr: | and if you find the right gold mine they'll keep paying him by the hour too :p |
| [23:10:07] | laga: | argh, can't edit a wikipedia article |
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| [23:10:59] | wagnerrp: | i didnt even think wikipedia required login |
| [23:11:07] | wagnerrp: | unless is the article locked? |
| [23:11:20] | laga: | it doesn't, but they're experiencing technical difficulties |
| [23:11:31] | laga: | but i got what i needed from Secpail:export ;) |
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| [23:13:20] | wagnerrp: | there is a game coming out for the DSi where players fight cigarettes |
| [23:14:00] | ** meshe goes out for a smoke ** | |
| [23:14:11] | gbee: | doesn't seem like a fair fight ... cigarettes being so small an' all |
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| [23:15:17] | gbee: | what's the player armed with? a match? a lighter? |
| [23:15:28] | wagnerrp: | yeah, but theyll always kill you in the end... :P |
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| [23:16:34] | wagnerrp: | i dont understand this whole kick with smoking |
| [23:16:36] | iamlindoro: | Ugh, cannot suddenly start using Facebook again, people suck you IN |
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| [23:16:50] | iamlindoro: | and then you're stuck using FACEBOOK until you escape |
| [23:16:50] | wagnerrp: | i dont smoke, ill probably never smoke, but if you want to do it on your own time, who am i to stop you |
| [23:16:55] | meshe: | a water gun is the best weapon against cigarettes |
| [23:16:55] | meshe: | though you may want something a little more deadly to protect yourself against the smoker |
| [23:17:14] | wagnerrp: | meshe: replace the water with acid? |
| [23:17:31] | meshe: | that might work |
| [23:17:53] | iamlindoro: | They do that some places.. except replace "smoking" with "being female" and "on your own time" with "trying to go to school" |
| [23:17:58] | wagnerrp: | or some sort of light gas |
| [23:18:30] | wagnerrp: | yeah... i dont expect to be female at any point in the future either... |
| [23:18:45] | gbee: | op delayed again? |
| [23:19:02] | wagnerrp: | op? |
| [23:19:08] | iamlindoro: | eration |
| [23:19:39] | wagnerrp: | na, just so costly... and i dont trust those docs in thailand |
| [23:20:23] | kormoc: | Meh, I'm sure you can pay a guy in beer to lop it off for ya |
| [23:23:46] | iamlindoro: | would he actually be *in* a beer? |
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| [23:24:14] | kormoc: | it takes the edge off if he is |
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| [23:36:28] | sphery: | Mark T. really needs to get a real MUA or configure Outlook correctly |
| [23:37:05] | iamlindoro: | Which thread izzat? |
| [23:37:22] | iamlindoro: | ah, found him |
| [23:37:30] | iamlindoro: | yes, agree |
| [23:37:56] | sphery: | yeah, just look for the blue/no-proper-quoting posts |
| [23:38:44] | sphery: | doesn't help that someone else top-posted on a already-bottom-posted message, either |
| [23:39:32] | iamlindoro: | I've taken to your subtle top post correction |
| [23:39:38] | iamlindoro: | Fix it, and mention you did it |
| [23:40:36] | sphery: | yeah, figure it serves 2 purposes: 1) reminder and 2) explains why my quote isn't formatted the same as the previous message |
| [23:41:06] | iamlindoro: | I'm sick of having Allen Edwards go nuts for a half dozen posts any time anyone overtly mentions it anyway |
| [23:41:18] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:41:38] | iamlindoro: | Which serves only to produce gems like "everyone should use gmail" and "we should revisit this archaic policy" |
| [23:41:48] | iamlindoro: | I *do* use gmail and I don't like top posting |
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| [23:42:29] | sphery: | as far as top vs bottom posting, who cares in the end, but it's kind of like driving--if everyone else on the road drives on the right side, you should probably do the same. When you go to London, though, ... |
| [23:42:33] | ** MythLogBot slaps MarkT with a posting rule trout on behalf of theworld... ** | |
| [23:43:15] | iamlindoro: | someone had to work to make that trout happen |
| [23:43:17] | iamlindoro: | impressive |
| [23:43:50] | iamlindoro: | Maybe I need to get a phantom nick that I can do that with... |
| [23:43:59] | sphery: | how come I no longer see the !trout line? I used to see that, and now I don't always? |
| [23:44:07] | iamlindoro: | /msg mythlogbot |
| [23:44:12] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [23:44:20] | sphery: | don't you mean: |
| [23:44:44] | sphery: | msg mythlogbot !trout iamlindoro no slash |
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| [23:45:50] | iamlindoro: | hmm, maybe it's not exactly like that |
| [23:46:05] | ** MythLogBot slaps sphery with a you are missing the channel trout on behalf of TheWorld... ** | |
| [23:46:34] | sphery: | (I was referring to the accidental in-channel msg from before...) |
| [23:46:36] | ** MythLogBot slaps iamlindoro with a and no ! trout on behalf of TheWorld... ** | |
| [23:47:46] | iamlindoro: | Why... the channel ghost was just ol' man kormoc all along! |
| [23:48:00] | iamlindoro: | And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids! |
| [23:48:06] | kormoc: | Indeed! |
| [23:48:23] | sphery: | Back to the Mystery Machine! |
| [23:48:43] | iamlindoro: | but really, what's the proper syntax? |
| [23:48:52] | sphery: | So, turns out I'm an IRC pacifist. Never wielded a trout in anger. |
| [23:49:00] | kormoc: | /msg MythLogBot trout #channel nick message |
| [23:49:01] | iamlindoro: | I weild trout only in joy |
| [23:49:09] | iamlindoro: | er wield |
| [23:49:43] | ** iamlindoro welds some trout into an almighty trout siege engine ** | |
| [23:50:07] | ** kormoc wonders if the giant badger will work better ** | |
| [23:50:33] | iamlindoro: | You're always badgering me, I should have expected this |
| [23:51:17] | iamlindoro: | *sigh*, so this r8169 bug basically makes the NIC go out for a few minutes at a time when under load, and only w/ .6.28 |
| [23:51:27] | iamlindoro: | er 2.6.28 |
| [23:51:44] | iamlindoro: | and the solution is "upgrade to 2.6.30", which I am not willing to do, too much breaky breaky in that kernel |
| [23:52:50] | iamlindoro: | Unfortunately it's the NIC for my backend/IRC proxy/etc. |
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| [23:54:18] | sphery: | iamlindoro: another solution is a $10 PCIe gigabit NIC |
| [23:54:44] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Yeah, just swapped another (unaffected) card out for a QAM tuner a few weeks ago, which is when I learned of the issue |
| [23:54:47] | sphery: | use it 'til you have a good r8169 driver, then you've got a backup NIC when you need it |
| [23:55:10] | kormoc: | or bond them for extra fun |
| [23:55:12] | iamlindoro: | well, I learned of the issue today, but started seeing it them |
| [23:55:20] | abqjp: | iamlindoro, is 2.6.29 broken too? |
| [23:55:28] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, The Mobo has 4x r8169, no need for the PCI one :) |
| [23:55:32] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, so was comcast not broken, just your nick? |
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| [23:55:47] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, last time was comcast, this time is the NIC |
| [23:55:51] | iamlindoro: | abqjp, I'm not sure |
| [23:56:16] | iamlindoro: | Can afford to loas a QAM tuner for sure, just a bummer |
| [23:56:18] | iamlindoro: | er lose |
| [23:56:31] | sphery: | iamlindoro should do a /nick broken |
| [23:56:34] | iamlindoro: | Just when I thought the onboard NIC thing was "figured out" |
| [23:56:35] | abqjp: | F11 ships with 2.6.29. I was trying to decide if I should install it. If 2.6.29 is broken too, then that makes the decision for me. |
| [23:57:04] | iamlindoro: | abqjp, Yeah, just not sure, only suggestions I'm seeing are that it's solved or mostly solved in 2.6.30, but no mention at all of 2.6.29 |
| [23:57:32] | sphery: | what brokenness in 2.6.30 worries you? |
| [23:57:47] | iamlindoro: | sphery, major issues with v4l-dvb over the past few weeks of lurking in thre |
| [23:57:48] | iamlindoro: | there |
| [23:57:53] | sphery: | oh |
| [23:58:55] | iamlindoro: | And that's one place I'd rather not risk it |
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