| Monday, June 22nd, 2009, 00:00 UTC | ||
| [00:00:19] | wagnerrp: | what do you mean? |
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| [00:06:44] | thread: | Hi, everyone... |
| [00:07:10] | thread: | So hey, I just installed mythtv on a fresh Gentoo install.... I can see mythbackend is listening on 6549 (via lsof) |
| [00:07:26] | thread: | but I don't see it listening on 6543! and mythfrontend will not find it |
| [00:08:24] | thread: | I read someone said they had the same problem, and they cleared out their schedules and some things in the database to resolve it... Well I just blew away my entire db and started fresh. After configuring only the recordings dir in mythtv-setup and launching mythfrontend, I have the same problem |
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| [00:09:16] | wagnerrp: | frontend and backend are on the same machine? |
| [00:09:24] | thread: | yes |
| [00:09:30] | thread: | compiled at the same time |
| [00:09:52] | wagnerrp: | well you cant compile the frontend and backend independently anyway |
| [00:09:59] | thread: | ah :) |
| [00:10:04] | thread: | [ebuild R ] media-tv/mythtv-0.21_p19961-r2 USE="alsa dvb dvd jack mmx opengl perl python -aac (-altivec) -autostart -debug -directv -fftw -ieee1394 -lcd -lirc -xvmc" VIDEO_CARDS="nvidia -via" 0 kB |
| [00:10:11] | wagnerrp: | you used to... but not anymore |
| [00:10:30] | thread: | it's not a flag you can set, is it? ... to enable networkability or something? |
| [00:10:39] | thread: | seems to me that mythbackend should be listening when i launch it ... |
| [00:10:46] | wagnerrp: | not that it matters because skipping one or the other saves you about 2MB and maybe 20 seconds |
| [00:11:08] | thread: | ah heh that's interesting |
| [00:11:27] | wagnerrp: | basically, everything is built before hand in shared libraries |
| [00:11:43] | thread: | right, sounds like they share mostly everything |
| [00:12:05] | thread: | so why on earth would mythbackend not be listening? i see a tiny bit about this sort of thing on the google |
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| [00:13:12] | wagnerrp: | im showing listening on 6543 |
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| [00:13:26] | wagnerrp: | the only reason i could think it wouldnt use that port, is if you changed it |
| [00:13:36] | thread: | where would i change it? |
| [00:13:41] | wagnerrp: | mythtv-setup |
| [00:13:45] | wagnerrp: | first option, first page |
| [00:13:48] | thread: | right |
| [00:14:00] | thread: | that's the same place (in the db) that the frontend looks to knwo where to connect to, yea? |
| [00:14:07] | thread: | so it can't differ between the front and backend |
| [00:14:12] | thread: | cuz it's the same place |
| [00:14:27] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if thats a global setting or not |
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| [00:14:35] | thread: | and yea, like i said even just tried blowing away my entire db |
| [00:14:38] | thread: | and starting over |
| [00:14:39] | wagnerrp: | but its at least global for one machine |
| [00:14:57] | wagnerrp: | and youre on one machine, so giving it a proper IP isnt needed |
| [00:15:20] | wagnerrp: | i can only think something else was using 6543 already |
| [00:15:38] | thread: | nope, sudo lsof|grep LISTEN reports nothing |
| [00:15:46] | wagnerrp: | if a program ends abruptly without a chance to clean up |
| [00:15:52] | wagnerrp: | it can leave sockets hanging open |
| [00:16:00] | wagnerrp: | but typically those get flushed after a minute or two |
| [00:16:18] | thread: | i've had this issue across reboots |
| [00:16:33] | thread: | even tried rebuilding mythtv |
| [00:16:41] | wagnerrp: | yeah, i have no idea why it would not open the socket |
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| [00:17:34] | thread: | yeah, talk about frustrating... thanks anyway, wagnerrp |
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| [00:17:38] | wagnerrp: | you probably want to rebuild with 'autostart' and 'lirc' though |
| [00:17:49] | thread: | i don't need lirc |
| [00:18:05] | kolby: | I only have 2 channels. I have channels 2 and 3. Where do I start figuring out how to fix this? |
| [00:18:25] | wagnerrp: | you can probably just dig around the portage tree to find the autostart script |
| [00:18:43] | wagnerrp: | kolby: did you ever set up the channels? |
| [00:19:17] | thread: | wagnerrp: ah yea i see what it wants to do in the ebuild |
| [00:19:20] | thread: | yea i don't need that stuff |
| [00:20:31] | wagnerrp: | typically you do a channel scan before ever starting mythbackend |
| [00:20:45] | wagnerrp: | or in the case of analog cable, you would grab a listing straight from Schedules Direct |
| [00:21:07] | wagnerrp: | both of which are under option 4 in mythtv-setup |
| [00:21:40] | wagnerrp: | the online documentation will guide you through either of those processes |
| [00:22:31] | kolby: | thank you |
| [00:22:53] | kolby: | sorry, I started watching TV again. |
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| [00:25:00] | kolby: | I haven't set up the channels recently. |
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| [00:42:01] | mazda01: | how could I manually tell a mythvideo movie metadata to look for a certain jpg for it's artwork? |
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| [00:51:02] | thread: | I'd love for someone to suggest why mythbackend might just listen on 6549 and not 6543 at all? (Fresh install, fresh database.) |
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| [00:51:35] | edoceo: | I just did an install with mythubuntu but now when the system boots my video output is all kinds of buggered up – like resolution is too high – where to edit? |
| [00:53:10] | edoceo: | Or is there a way to boot mythtv with "safe video mode"? |
| [00:56:15] | iamlindoro: | edoceo, That would be better handled in #ubuntu-mythtv, as it pertains to the distro, not to myth |
| [00:56:36] | edoceo: | iamlindoro: thanks for the pointer |
| [00:56:42] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [00:57:13] | mazda01: | im so dumb. there's an option to manually edit metadata. DAMN IT, why can't I just RTFP. |
| [00:57:49] | thread: | my question is impossible, though! mythbackend is supposed to friggin listen on 6543 |
| [00:58:40] | ** thread sighs ** | |
| [00:59:15] | kormoc: | if it's impossible, why keep asking it? |
| [00:59:29] | thread: | correction: it seems like it should be impossible :) |
| [01:00:40] | iamlindoro: | That's like when I say I'm not going to do any more MythUI documentation, and then I write the rest of ti |
| [01:00:41] | iamlindoro: | it |
| [01:01:03] | thread: | heh |
| [01:01:21] | thread: | i've sunk too much time into this issue... |
| [01:01:41] | thread: | i just need someone to suggest one reason why mythbackend might not listen (besides another process holding the port) |
| [01:01:54] | thread: | cuz i haven't found anything else |
| [01:01:56] | kormoc: | so why don't you strace the backend startup process and see why it's failing rather then asking us to guess? |
| [01:02:06] | thread: | hmmm |
| [01:02:51] | kolby: | mazda01, you and me both. |
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| [01:18:30] | superdug: | thread: sudo netstat -naptu |
| [01:18:38] | superdug: | thread: make sure it IS listening |
| [01:18:48] | superdug: | then sudo iptables -F |
| [01:18:57] | superdug: | and then see if it magically starts working |
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| [01:37:21] | thread: | I sorted it. thanks muchly, kormoc & superdug |
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| [01:37:31] | ekristen: | anyone have a xorg config for svdideo out for a epia via board? |
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| [01:42:33] | ekristen: | please |
| [01:42:38] | ekristen: | anyone |
| [01:43:14] | ** kormoc wonders if begging has ever worked in this channel... ** | |
| [01:43:49] | mattygabe: | is anyone remotely familiar with the Avermedia A180 card that uses SAA7134/Nxt2004 drivers/firmware? I've tried to install the card using about a dozen online blogs and/or wikis, but to no avail. |
| [01:43:52] | iamlindoro: | especially when using substandard hardware that most people left in the dumpster long ago |
| [01:44:07] | mattygabe: | it's not recognized in Mythtv ("Tuner 1 is not available") |
| [01:44:09] | ekristen: | kormoc: probably not, but always worth a shot |
| [01:44:24] | ekristen: | I mean I know I can't be the only one that has ever used a epia via motherboard |
| [01:44:37] | kormoc: | Likely not, as it doesn't make me want to help you at all, and others likely share the feeling... |
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| [01:45:05] | mattygabe: | what pisses me off most is that the drivers, from what I hear, have been incorporated in the linux kernel for some time now, and I cant even get the damn thing to work with what should be a simple modprobe |
| [01:45:21] | kormoc: | mattygabe, language.... |
| [01:45:24] | iamlindoro: | Still need to load the firmware, that ain't in the kernel |
| [01:45:39] | mattygabe: | kormoc: i apologize |
| [01:45:55] | mattygabe: | iamlindoro: i have loaded the firmware... i placed the .fw file in /lib/firmware |
| [01:46:04] | iamlindoro: | then dmesg should ahve any and all answers |
| [01:46:06] | iamlindoro: | have |
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| [01:46:24] | mattygabe: | iamlindoro: how do I limit dmesg output to just what I'm looking for |
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| [01:46:36] | iamlindoro: | rmmod the module, modprobe the module,and it'll be at the end |
| [01:46:43] | mattygabe: | ok |
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| [01:47:48] | mattygabe: | iamlindoro: so, say if I did everything right, I modprobe the drivers, and the device works, when I go into MythTV and add a DVB capture card, it should come up with all correct information, right? |
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| [01:47:58] | mattygabe: | *mythtv backend |
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| [01:48:06] | ekristen: | kormoc: wow |
| [01:48:09] | iamlindoro: | assuming adequate permissions to the device, yes |
| [01:48:56] | mattygabe: | how does one ensure that the device has adequate permissions? |
| [01:49:09] | iamlindoro: | That's putting the cart before the horse |
| [01:49:20] | iamlindoro: | I'm still not convinced the card is set up |
| [01:49:41] | mattygabe: | alright |
| [01:49:50] | mattygabe: | fair enough, because you're right, it most likely isn't |
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| [01:51:35] | mattygabe: | when I attempt to rmmod saa7134, it says: "ERROR: Module saa7134 is in use by saa7134_dvb, saa7134_alsa" |
| [01:51:59] | iamlindoro: | rmmod saa7134-dvb |
| [01:52:04] | iamlindoro: | smmod saa7134-alsa |
| [01:52:08] | iamlindoro: | er rmmod |
| [01:52:11] | thedarkone: | i am thinking hp's are not good for mythtv |
| [01:52:15] | iamlindoro: | rmmod saa7134 |
| [01:52:34] | kormoc: | ekristen, wow? is it really that surprising that something that is considered socially unacceptable to do by adults is considered rude and doesn't gain favor? |
| [01:52:42] | mattygabe: | good, got it. now do I modprobe all of those? or just saa7134? |
| [01:52:55] | iamlindoro: | just the -dvb should bring the the plain one |
| [01:53:04] | iamlindoro: | ie modprobe saa7134-dvb |
| [01:53:11] | mattygabe: | gotcha |
| [01:53:19] | iamlindoro: | and the alsa one shouldn't strictly be necessary but will probably pull itself in automatically too |
| [01:53:19] | mattygabe: | alright, let me get dmesg and then I'll type in what it has |
| [01:53:24] | iamlindoro: | pastebin |
| [01:53:28] | iamlindoro: | www.pastebin.com |
| [01:53:37] | iamlindoro: | that way we can take a look ourselves |
| [01:53:55] | ekristen: | kormoc: your telling me that you have never worked a problem for 10+ hrs and have gotten to the point where you are a little frustrated and just need a little bit of help? sorry that my asking "please anyone" once was so socially unacceptable to you |
| [01:54:15] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: i know we all hate the Epias... but i would go so far as to call using them socially unacceptable |
| [01:54:26] | iamlindoro: | I would! |
| [01:54:32] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [01:54:35] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [01:54:56] | iamlindoro: | ekristen, "please" then "anyone" on seperate lines 5 minutes after asking your question sure *looked* like begging |
| [01:55:02] | kormoc: | I don't interact with people that own them in real life ;) |
| [01:55:19] | mattygabe: | iamlindoro: ive never used or heard of pastebin, but i'm on the site and have pasted the dmesg into the box... do I use mattygabe as my name and then Send it? |
| [01:55:29] | iamlindoro: | especially as someone elses xorg.conf has about a 0% chance of actually working for you |
| [01:55:36] | wagnerrp: | you can do it anonymously |
| [01:55:40] | iamlindoro: | mattygabe, You click send, then paste the resulting link here |
| [01:55:46] | iamlindoro: | name is unimportant :) |
| [01:55:50] | iamlindoro: | fred will do |
| [01:55:53] | iamlindoro: | hank |
| [01:55:57] | mattygabe: | sweet, this is a good service |
| [01:56:19] | mattygabe: | http://pastebin.com/d23268fa9 |
| [01:56:53] | iamlindoro: | mattygabe, you modprobed the -dvb version too? |
| [01:57:01] | mattygabe: | i only modprobed -dvb |
| [01:57:22] | iamlindoro: | Well that's not good |
| [01:57:39] | iamlindoro: | (not that you did wrong, just that there should be *some* reference to the dvb module |
| [01:57:42] | mattygabe: | ah |
| [01:57:57] | mattygabe: | I edited my blacklist file, perhaps thats part of it? |
| [01:58:05] | mattygabe: | but I think i blacklisted the basic saa7134, not the -dvb |
| [01:58:05] | iamlindoro: | depends on what you put there |
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| [01:58:24] | iamlindoro: | undo anything you may have done to this point, then rmmod the modules, then modprobe them again and let's see if this gets better |
| [01:58:28] | mattygabe: | I forget... where's the blacklist located again? |
| [01:58:40] | iamlindoro: | probably in /etc/modprobe.d/ or similar |
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| [02:00:33] | ekristen: | fine, I apologize for coming off as begging, but in all seriousness, has anyone seen, or by chance know how to get s-video on an epia via board working? For me the output is working except it is all scrambled, so I know the board and output is functioning, just the signal isn't being sent properly |
| [02:00:36] | mattygabe: | i removed the blacklist because I believe besides downloading/messing with get_dvb_firmware and nxt2004.fw, the blacklist was all that I've done |
| [02:00:57] | mattygabe: | and I rmmod'd everything and then modprobed' saa7134-dvb, and it looks to be the same output |
| [02:01:28] | clever: | i prefer to use modprobe -v |
| [02:01:34] | clever: | to see what else it drags in |
| [02:01:42] | mattygabe: | verbose? |
| [02:01:53] | clever: | yep |
| [02:02:03] | iamlindoro: | mattygabe, do a dmesg |grep -i dvb |
| [02:02:08] | iamlindoro: | and pastebin results, please |
| [02:02:11] | mattygabe: | gotcha |
| [02:02:20] | iamlindoro: | we're looking for something like "registering frontend 0" |
| [02:02:31] | iamlindoro: | (nextwave blah blah) |
| [02:02:40] | mattygabe: | i get nothing |
| [02:02:44] | ekristen: | svidio is working perfectly when not in X.org |
| [02:02:54] | iamlindoro: | mattygabe, What distro are you running? |
| [02:02:59] | ekristen: | xorg rather ... but as soon as I startx, it goes all screwy |
| [02:03:04] | mattygabe: | the latest Ubuntu 9.04, jaunty |
| [02:03:07] | mattygabe: | including updates |
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| [02:03:36] | iamlindoro: | lsmod |grep -i dvb |
| [02:03:42] | iamlindoro: | does saa7134_dvb show up? |
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| [02:04:32] | mattygabe: | yes, here's the link: http://pastebin.com/d4afc54b2 |
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| [02:05:38] | iamlindoro: | mattygabe, can you please pastebin the output of lspci -vvnn |
| [02:06:17] | iamlindoro: | according to linuxTV it looks like they've released an updated card, if you bought it recently it may be one |
| [02:06:51] | mattygabe: | this is a pretty long output: http://pastebin.com/d1737d8f3 |
| [02:06:58] | mattygabe: | you're talking about the a180 card I have? |
| [02:07:08] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [02:07:30] | mattygabe: | it's a bit different, I got it off of newegg, it's a stripped down version of the retail a180 that has JUST the RF coaxial input and nothing else |
| [02:07:37] | mattygabe: | less than 6 months ago... around february |
| [02:08:25] | iamlindoro: | hang on, seeing if I can find a reference to it in current v4l-dvb |
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| [02:09:33] | iamlindoro: | hmm, I think you may need to compile your own v4l-dvb, that card should be detected, not as generic |
| [02:09:39] | iamlindoro: | rmmod all the saa7134 stuff |
| [02:09:42] | iamlindoro: | then do this: |
| [02:10:00] | iamlindoro: | modprobe saa7134 card=75 |
| [02:10:07] | iamlindoro: | modprobe saa7134-dvb card=75 |
| [02:10:16] | iamlindoro: | if that doesn't work, then you'll need to compile v4l-dvb |
| [02:10:33] | iamlindoro: | as in my (fairly current) driver source I see that PCI ID supported |
| [02:11:33] | mattygabe: | I modprobed both, and it didn't spit any errors out... what do I do to check to see if it worked? |
| [02:11:50] | iamlindoro: | just the last 100 or so of dmesg to a pastebin |
| [02:12:17] | mattygabe: | looks good |
| [02:12:21] | mattygabe: | let me post it to see what you think |
| [02:13:18] | mattygabe: | http://pastebin.com/d67cccb14 |
| [02:13:26] | iamlindoro: | ls /dev/dvb/ |
| [02:13:28] | iamlindoro: | much better |
| [02:13:34] | iamlindoro: | you should ahve an adapter0 in that dir now |
| [02:13:47] | mattygabe: | yup |
| [02:13:52] | mattygabe: | that means it's been registered then? |
| [02:13:59] | iamlindoro: | loaded, yes |
| [02:14:01] | iamlindoro: | now do |
| [02:14:19] | iamlindoro: | echo "options saa7134 card=75" >> /etc/modprobe.d/options |
| [02:14:23] | iamlindoro: | echo "options saa7134-dvb card=75" >> /etc/modprobe.d/options |
| [02:14:46] | iamlindoro: | so that with any luck it will survive the next reboot |
| [02:14:57] | iamlindoro: | and you should be good to continue setting up myth |
| [02:15:17] | mattygabe: | both with and without sudo it tells me permission denied |
| [02:15:23] | mattygabe: | do I need to chmod a dir or file? |
| [02:15:31] | iamlindoro: | no, don't chmod any of that |
| [02:15:41] | iamlindoro: | just sudo su |
| [02:15:46] | iamlindoro: | then run those commands |
| [02:15:48] | iamlindoro: | then type exit |
| [02:16:45] | mattygabe: | awesome |
| [02:17:09] | mattygabe: | doing sudo su means I log in as root user? |
| [02:17:16] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [02:17:21] | mattygabe: | that's extremely helpful... i need to remember that, thanks |
| [02:17:31] | iamlindoro: | much as ubuntu would rather you never be root ; |
| [02:17:32] | iamlindoro: | ) |
| [02:17:36] | mattygabe: | haha |
| [02:17:49] | mattygabe: | so i take it you're more of a traditional linux user? |
| [02:18:07] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [02:18:07] | ekristen: | ok so Option "VBEModes" "true" makes the s-video work, but its really crappy resolution ... :/ |
| [02:18:18] | iamlindoro: | I don't know about that, I have ubuntu systems, but I'm sure as hell not going to sudo every little thing |
| [02:18:51] | iamlindoro: | I usually get about two sudo's in before irritation overwhelms me |
| [02:18:54] | mattygabe: | lol |
| [02:19:02] | kormoc: | mattygabe, Ubuntu is still a minority of linux users, no matter what their press says.... |
| [02:19:06] | mattygabe: | haha |
| [02:19:10] | mattygabe: | oh, believe me, i know that |
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| [02:19:30] | mattygabe: | i wanted to get a tradiional linux user's take on the whole ubuntu thing, up to this point I assumed that there were two camps |
| [02:19:50] | iamlindoro: | Don't think there's such a thing as a traditional user, really |
| [02:19:53] | mattygabe: | one that thought it was rediculous that a distro would try to make linux accessible to so many people ("Why would we want to do that to ourselves? They already have windows") |
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| [02:20:12] | iamlindoro: | I have ubuntu, debian, and fedora boxes floating around, and I do prefer to get stuff done on the command line, but only out of expediency |
| [02:20:31] | iamlindoro: | I still prefer to just use the mac whenever possible |
| [02:20:34] | mattygabe: | well, traditional in the sense that they have been using it for over a decade and actually using it to do work |
| [02:20:46] | iamlindoro: | ah, you mean "experienced" :) |
| [02:20:49] | mattygabe: | whereas someone like me, where I've only used it sparingly and in my free time |
| [02:20:54] | mattygabe: | yes, sorry. that is the better term |
| [02:21:15] | mattygabe: | btw, the card's identification did show up in the mythtv backend |
| [02:21:23] | mattygabe: | im starting the frontend now to see if it actually tunes anything |
| [02:21:28] | iamlindoro: | anyway, my experienced opinion is that Ubuntu is very good for new and old users, but as always it's a matter of the right tool for the right job |
| [02:21:41] | iamlindoro: | won't tune anything until you've scanned for channels, set up storage groups, etc. |
| [02:21:49] | iamlindoro: | The steps in mythtv-setup are numbered for a reason |
| [02:22:00] | iamlindoro: | they're all required, they all must be done in order, and they all depend on the previous steps |
| [02:22:28] | iamlindoro: | And now the manual would be a very worthwhile (nay, necessary) accessoty |
| [02:22:30] | iamlindoro: | accessory |
| [02:22:49] | iamlindoro: | Since nothing turns us into the incredible hulk faster than lack of RTFM |
| [02:23:04] | mattygabe: | hahaha, point taken. |
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| [02:26:30] | wagnerrp: | and then he gets really pissed off.. keeping having to buy new clothes and all |
| [02:27:37] | iamlindoro: | I'm trying to start a fad of ripped pants |
| [02:27:42] | iamlindoro: | going well so far |
| [02:28:07] | mattygabe: | lol |
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| [02:33:14] | ekristen: | "VideoOutputXv Error: GetRefreshRate(): X11 ModeLine query returned zeroes" <-- i get that error when trying to watch a DVD |
| [02:40:57] | mattygabe: | when adding my capture card, the only inputs are Svideo and Composite1... If my card only has an RF-in, is this a problem? |
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| [02:41:44] | iamlindoro: | you are adding it as the wrong card type |
| [02:41:52] | iamlindoro: | you added it as v4l, it's not |
| [02:41:55] | iamlindoro: | it's DVB |
| [02:45:01] | mattygabe: | hey, thanks again iamlindoro |
| [02:45:09] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [02:45:12] | mattygabe: | like i said before i've sifted through so many wikis and manuals that I couldn't get it |
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| [02:45:32] | mattygabe: | i'm not out of the woods yet but Im at least getting some signal strength during a channel scan |
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| [02:45:55] | iamlindoro: | Another pro tip: *wait* for the scan to complete |
| [02:46:07] | iamlindoro: | when it gets to channel 70 and hasn't found anything... that is *not* a bad thing |
| [02:46:17] | iamlindoro: | especially if you're using Cable/QAM |
| [02:46:30] | iamlindoro: | and ideally you chose the right modulation/frequency table |
| [02:46:34] | mattygabe: | mostly just OTA |
| [02:46:37] | wagnerrp: | well its a bad thing for OTA |
| [02:46:48] | mattygabe: | heh |
| [02:46:56] | iamlindoro: | if you're scanning OTA, then you should see channels sooner, but still shouldn't be alarmed |
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| [02:47:06] | mattygabe: | is it bad that my signal/noise is only ~8% less than the signal strength? |
| [02:47:10] | wagnerrp: | OTA only goes up to 88? |
| [02:47:39] | iamlindoro: | mattygabe, you need to not worry about those values unless you have good reason to be |
| [02:48:05] | iamlindoro: | OTA = us-bcast, VSB modulation, so hopefully you chose those |
| [02:48:54] | ekristen: | I am getting a whole bunch of "NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost!" |
| [02:48:55] | mattygabe: | i know I did us-bcast, is vsb modulation in the same area? |
| [02:49:04] | ekristen: | in my frontend logs and my playback is really choppy |
| [02:49:15] | iamlindoro: | it's the one marked "Modulation" ;) |
| [02:49:20] | mattygabe: | heh heh heh |
| [02:49:26] | mattygabe: | my apologies |
| [02:50:54] | mattygabe: | got some channels |
| [02:51:19] | ekristen: | can anyone help |
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| [02:57:20] | tmkt: | ola |
| [02:58:00] | tmkt: | 2 questions.. what is the most stable, and fastest mythtv setup? been fighting with ubuntu/mythdora for 1 week |
| [02:58:20] | kormoc: | there really isn't a answer to that, as it all depends on your skills and knowledge |
| [02:58:22] | tmkt: | Dual AMD X2 7750 CPU / GeForce 6200 |
| [02:58:36] | tmkt: | skills and knowledge aren't a problem |
| [02:58:42] | ekristen: | tmkt: I prefer to use fc9 with atrpms and install mythtv that way |
| [02:58:47] | tmkt: | just think I should be getitng better performance then I'm getting now |
| [02:58:49] | ekristen: | I am not a fan of mythdora |
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| [02:58:54] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [02:58:55] | tmkt: | it sucked |
| [02:59:01] | tmkt: | and mythbuntu 9.04 |
| [02:59:01] | ekristen: | get fc9 |
| [02:59:03] | tmkt: | was unstabble |
| [02:59:17] | ekristen: | and google mythtvology and follow the guide for fc9 |
| [02:59:20] | tmkt: | so I'm on ubuntu 8.10 right now..and apt getted the mythtv stuff |
| [02:59:37] | ekristen: | you will have to change a view things based on version but you can probably figure that out |
| [02:59:37] | kormoc: | tmkt, then tweak your setup, all the myth distros can be tweaked with your skills and knowledge you claim to have the performance of any other one |
| [03:00:05] | tmkt: | was wondering about gentoo..and if it made sense to install |
| [03:00:09] | tmkt: | not saying I have the knowledge |
| [03:00:18] | tmkt: | just saying I'll look and look and look... |
| [03:00:21] | tmkt: | till I find it |
| [03:00:40] | kormoc: | none are likely going to preform much better then any other one out of the box |
| [03:00:40] | tmkt: | right now..only way I get good performance is using nvidia Xvmc |
| [03:01:18] | wagnerrp: | you should not be using xvmc |
| [03:01:23] | tmkt: | yeah..thats what I've been told |
| [03:01:25] | tmkt: | but without it |
| [03:01:35] | tmkt: | HD performance is choppy |
| [03:01:46] | wagnerrp: | are you somehow stuck underclocked? |
| [03:01:54] | ekristen: | yeah I am have a lot of audio issues right now that I am trying to figure out :/ |
| [03:01:57] | wagnerrp: | your governors not working properly? |
| [03:01:59] | ekristen: | nothing is jumping out though |
| [03:02:04] | tmkt: | my CPU is always at around 10% |
| [03:02:46] | wagnerrp: | youre not trying to use the opengl anything are you? |
| [03:02:52] | tmkt: | saw it once at 40.. xvmc is the only solution I've found after a week of fiddling, searching forums |
| [03:02:58] | tmkt: | nope... |
| [03:03:16] | wagnerrp: | well if xvmc is doing anything, the nvidia drivers are obviously installed properly |
| [03:03:17] | tmkt: | as basic as I can possibly get, just want smooth HD |
| [03:03:20] | wagnerrp: | so xv should be working as well |
| [03:03:45] | tmkt: | xv? |
| [03:03:51] | wagnerrp: | XVideo |
| [03:03:58] | tmkt: | ag |
| [03:03:59] | tmkt: | ah |
| [03:04:00] | wagnerrp: | as opposed to XVideoMotionCompensation |
| [03:04:20] | wagnerrp: | are you trying to use one of the 2x deinterlacers? |
| [03:04:46] | mattygabe: | is there any difference between mythbuntu 9.04 and ubuntu 9.04 with mythtv installed? Other than mythbuntu comes with it installed already in addition to a few options changed? |
| [03:04:47] | tmkt: | just pretty much using the default settings on mythtv + passthrough for the audio |
| [03:04:55] | kormoc: | mattygabe, not really |
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| [03:05:18] | iamlindoro: | mythbuntu includes a great many tools for simplifying setup, too |
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| [03:05:45] | tmkt: | looking around in forums, it seems no one is really having my problem – seems like I have ample hardware |
| [03:05:48] | tmkt: | which is why I'm stumped |
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| [03:06:17] | mattygabe: | i see, thanks. |
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| [03:07:21] | tmkt: | wagner 2x deinterlacers? |
| [03:07:48] | wagnerrp: | yeah, the deinterlace by doubling the framerate (among other things) |
| [03:07:56] | wagnerrp: | its 'whatever 2x' in the video settings |
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| [03:08:01] | wagnerrp: | playback settings |
| [03:08:12] | tmkt: | TV Settings – playback |
| [03:08:12] | tmkt: | k |
| [03:08:14] | tmkt: | checking |
| [03:09:54] | tmkt: | yeah..dont see anytihng related to that |
| [03:09:58] | tmkt: | Have these checked |
| [03:10:29] | tmkt: | Enable realtime priority, extra audio buffering, warn on no audio output, clear saved position, alternate clear saved, jump to program osd |
| [03:10:49] | tmkt: | Playback profile CPU-- |
| [03:10:50] | wagnerrp: | ugh... mythfilldatabase just kicked in and is screwing with my file server |
| [03:11:38] | tmkt: | so if I change to CPU++ I guess I should go edit it |
| [03:11:43] | tmkt: | and put Max CPUs to 2? |
| [03:12:36] | tmkt: | what Video redenrer should I be using? |
| [03:12:48] | tmkt: | xv-blit? |
| [03:12:52] | iamlindoro: | Just switch the profile to slim, and put max cpus to 2 |
| [03:12:52] | wagnerrp: | yes |
| [03:12:59] | ekristen: | I have having some major audio issues, and prebuffering issues, I am running my mythfronend over wireless G, can anyone help? |
| [03:13:05] | tmkt: | OSD Renderer softblend |
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| [03:13:38] | iamlindoro: | If you don't know what each element means, and what specifically you should have there, you should use slim-- 95% of myth users should be using Slim, actually |
| [03:13:50] | iamlindoro: | and the max CPUs will only help with H.264 material, but set to 2 is fine |
| [03:14:09] | tmkt: | yeah..slim is choppy for me also |
| [03:14:13] | tmkt: | only one that isn't is CPU- |
| [03:14:57] | iamlindoro: | sounds a lot like broken video drivers, but depends on what you're trying to play |
| [03:15:11] | tmkt: | OTA HD |
| [03:15:30] | iamlindoro: | Then sounds an awful lot like broken video drivers |
| [03:15:54] | iamlindoro: | what driver are you using? |
| [03:15:59] | tmkt: | NVidia 1.8 |
| [03:16:06] | iamlindoro: | erm, there is no 1.8 |
| [03:16:26] | iamlindoro: | anyway, that's where I'd look |
| [03:16:58] | tmkt: | nvidia-glx-180 – NVIDIA binary Xorg driver |
| [03:17:12] | tmkt: | most recent ones |
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| [03:20:49] | tmkt: | so I should probably try older versions of the video card drivers |
| [03:21:05] | squidly: | what is the prefered way to start a frontend, mythwelcome or some autologin/mythfrontend |
| [03:21:45] | jomido: | Has anyone gotten audio over HDMI working in myth? ive got an ATI HD4650 and I can't seem to get sound over hdmi with mplayer |
| [03:22:20] | squidly: | jomido: yea I did |
| [03:22:29] | squidly: | what does your aplay -l show? |
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| [03:22:35] | jomido: | let me check |
| [03:22:42] | jomido: | this will require some back and forth, the pc is in the living room, one moment |
| [03:23:23] | jomido: | the ATI card shows up in there listed as HDMI |
| [03:23:55] | tmkt: | and my other issue is |
| [03:23:59] | tmkt: | I live in Toronto |
| [03:24:03] | tmkt: | so using the Antenna |
| [03:24:09] | tmkt: | I get tons of Buffalo stations |
| [03:24:26] | jomido: | card 1, device 3, ati hdmi |
| [03:24:27] | tmkt: | so using schedules direct I get the program listing for buffalo |
| [03:24:34] | squidly: | jomido: ok pm? |
| [03:24:37] | tmkt: | just need to get the toronto data in there also |
| [03:26:35] | wagnerrp: | tmkt: that might be your problem right there |
| [03:26:46] | wagnerrp: | is the 6200 still supported in the lastest revision of the drivers? |
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| [03:27:55] | squidly: | wagnerrp: the nvidia 6200 cards? |
| [03:28:15] | squidly: | yes they are (I'm running 6200's in sli mode |
| [03:28:46] | wagnerrp: | i didnt think the 6200s could run in SLI mode either |
| [03:28:56] | wagnerrp: | or that it was ever considered worthwhile to do so |
| [03:29:20] | tmkt: | what might be my problem the new driver? |
| [03:29:22] | wagnerrp: | yeah... running 6200s in SLI is definately mind boggling |
| [03:29:28] | squidly: | oh wait. i'm doing 6800's |
| [03:29:35] | squidly: | grr.. sorry |
| [03:29:48] | squidly: | last I was told though the 6200's were still supported |
| [03:30:20] | tmkt: | not really in the mood to get a new video card..bought this one, because the one on the motherboard was the ATI x2100 |
| [03:30:22] | wagnerrp: | seems the 6200s are supported, 5-series are not though |
| [03:30:25] | tmkt: | and the ati drivers were crap |
| [03:30:51] | squidly: | yea the 5000 series is eol |
| [03:30:57] | squidly: | ati is crap |
| [03:31:08] | tmkt: | yeah |
| [03:31:18] | tmkt: | which is why I searched around for a good card for mythtv |
| [03:31:22] | tmkt: | seemed the 6200 was it |
| [03:31:34] | wagnerrp: | im surprised you can still buy 6200s |
| [03:31:36] | iamlindoro: | a year ago it was, but not since them |
| [03:31:39] | iamlindoro: | then |
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| [03:31:49] | wagnerrp: | especially considering the 8400s are cheaper |
| [03:31:58] | tmkt: | so I should be looking at 8400? |
| [03:32:01] | squidly: | wagnerrp: yea newegg still has them for like 20–30 |
| [03:32:13] | tmkt: | my dual AMD 64 can't make up for it? |
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| [03:32:25] | wagnerrp: | cheapest on newegg is $40 |
| [03:32:42] | squidly: | ahh okies |
| [03:32:48] | wagnerrp: | and there is no 'making up for it', since every card with support for Xv will do exactly the same amount of work |
| [03:32:54] | tmkt: | ok |
| [03:33:14] | tmkt: | what video card would you suggest? |
| [03:33:26] | wagnerrp: | your 6200 should be just fine |
| [03:33:27] | squidly: | wagnerrp: what does external audo controls do for a frontend exacly? |
| [03:33:32] | tmkt: | k |
| [03:33:55] | wagnerrp: | now that i think about it, i was flipping back and forth between a 6200 and 8400 when the 180 drivers first came out |
| [03:34:19] | wagnerrp: | squidly: probably script access to control your receiver over serial/IR |
| [03:35:33] | wagnerrp: | now this is an interesting card, Jaton quad-port dual 6200 PCI |
| [03:35:46] | tmkt: | so loving mythtv, other then the choppyness with the OSD, and the need to use XvMC |
| [03:36:03] | wagnerrp: | they slapped two 6200s on a board, gave it a PCI bridge, and four VGA outputs |
| [03:36:28] | wagnerrp: | along with a GB of memory, and some crackpot reviewer calling it a 'great gaming card' |
| [03:36:46] | wagnerrp: | i suppose you could have 40 instances of solitaire on screen at one time |
| [03:37:10] | tmkt: | BFG GeForce 6200 Video Card – Overclocked Edition, 256MB DDR, PCI, DVI, VGA, TV Out |
| [03:37:18] | tmkt: | is the one I picked up |
| [03:37:21] | wagnerrp: | see, thats another one |
| [03:37:29] | wagnerrp: | why would you overclock a PCI card |
| [03:37:35] | wagnerrp: | OH!! |
| [03:37:40] | wagnerrp: | what resolution are you running? |
| [03:37:54] | wagnerrp: | you cant get 1080i working over that card, right? |
| [03:38:00] | tmkt: | 1360x768 |
| [03:38:07] | tmkt: | exactly |
| [03:38:11] | wagnerrp: | video resolution, not output resolution |
| [03:38:17] | wagnerrp: | its because you bought a PCI video card |
| [03:38:26] | wagnerrp: | PCI doesnt have the bus bandwidth for decoded HD video |
| [03:38:31] | tmkt: | ah so I should have gotten pci express |
| [03:38:50] | wagnerrp: | since XvMC does partial decoding on the board, it keeps the bandwidth requirements down |
| [03:39:35] | mattygabe: | iamlindoro, thanks again so much. I tried to chronicle the steps you took me thru on the ubuntu forums, hopefully a few people with the same card find it, read it, and follow it so they don't have to come here to bug any of you guys. thanks again |
| [03:39:46] | iamlindoro: | mattygabe, no problem |
| [03:39:52] | wagnerrp: | !trout tmkt bandwidth |
| [03:39:52] | ** MythLogBot slaps tmkt with a bandwidth trout on behalf of wagnerrp... ** | |
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| [03:40:27] | tmkt: | so...i should return the card and get a pci express one |
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| [03:40:33] | wagnerrp: | yeah, youre basically SOL with that card |
| [03:40:43] | tmkt: | k |
| [03:40:46] | wagnerrp: | drop that zero and get with a hero |
| [03:40:46] | iamlindoro: | wow, there's a problem we haven't seen in a while |
| [03:41:49] | tmkt: | any of these http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/catego . . . &Recs=10 |
| [03:41:51] | tmkt: | do the job ? |
| [03:42:14] | iamlindoro: | either of the 9400s will work nicely |
| [03:42:14] | wagnerrp: | just grab any nvidia PCIe card |
| [03:42:18] | tmkt: | or should I move up to the 50–99$ range |
| [03:42:20] | iamlindoro: | and support VDPAU when .22 is out, too |
| [03:42:24] | SHADOW_V: | why would someone buy a pic video card when they have a pcie card |
| [03:42:32] | wagnerrp: | you can pick up 8400s for <$30 |
| [03:42:46] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use VDPAU in the future |
| [03:42:56] | wagnerrp: | you probably want to look for an 8600 or 9500 |
| [03:43:08] | wagnerrp: | the lower end cards dont have the GPU throughput for all the deinterlace options |
| [03:43:22] | tmkt: | they have the 9500 for 75$ |
| [03:43:48] | tmkt: | and 8600 for 89$ |
| [03:44:00] | SHADOW_V: | aww sucks so no vdpau on the 8400 |
| [03:44:12] | wagnerrp: | a 9400GT *might* be powerful enough, check around |
| [03:44:17] | wagnerrp: | SHADOW_V: i said no such thing |
| [03:44:27] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp> the lower end cards dont have the GPU throughput for all the deinterlace options |
| [03:44:28] | tmkt: | 1gig on on the 9500, 512 on the 8600 |
| [03:44:39] | SHADOW_V: | so whats that mean |
| [03:44:43] | wagnerrp: | thats exactly what i said |
| [03:44:56] | SHADOW_V: | right |
| [03:45:00] | wagnerrp: | it means the lower end cards dont have the GPU throughput to use all the deinterlacers available |
| [03:45:10] | SHADOW_V: | oh ok so just some of them |
| [03:45:10] | SHADOW_V: | ? |
| [03:45:25] | tmkt: | ok...so which is the better card for now/future 8600 or the 9500? |
| [03:45:26] | wagnerrp: | doesnt mean they cant decode video, or use the lower complexity deinterlace filters |
| [03:45:33] | iamlindoro: | 9500 |
| [03:45:39] | jomido: | Anyone have any other suggestions for audio over HDMI with ATI HD 4650? |
| [03:45:46] | iamlindoro: | 9400 will do the job, barely, with most stuff |
| [03:46:03] | tmkt: | ok..so the 9500 is better then the 8600 correct? |
| [03:46:08] | iamlindoro: | but if you somehow happened across 40 Mbit material that needed deinterlacing, which would be quite rare, the 9400 wouldn't mange it |
| [03:46:18] | iamlindoro: | the 9500+ should be more than capable |
| [03:46:29] | tmkt: | ok..9500 it is |
| [03:46:32] | tmkt: | thank you sirs |
| [03:46:42] | iamlindoro: | oh, and the 9400 will be fine with anything on lower deinterlacers |
| [03:46:51] | iamlindoro: | and advanced deinterlacers on almost anything |
| [03:47:01] | tmkt: | what about 9600? |
| [03:47:06] | iamlindoro: | 9600 is fine too |
| [03:47:09] | iamlindoro: | don't overthink |
| [03:47:13] | wagnerrp: | higher number, moar power |
| [03:47:14] | tmkt: | 9400–9600 are all about the same price |
| [03:47:19] | tmkt: | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/catego . . . &Recs=10 |
| [03:47:26] | SHADOW_V: | gtx275 should be enough |
| [03:47:26] | wagnerrp: | if a 9500 is good enough, so is the 9600 |
| [03:47:34] | iamlindoro: | anything 9400 or greater will do fine for anything you are likely ever to encounter |
| [03:47:41] | wagnerrp: | gtx275 wont work |
| [03:47:47] | SHADOW_V: | why |
| [03:48:10] | SHADOW_V: | vdpau doesnt work on gtx cards? |
| [03:48:11] | wagnerrp: | because you now have a vacuum cleaner sitting next to the tv, and your SO will continue to turn it off |
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| [03:48:36] | iamlindoro: | viddypoo works on GTX, though it's insane-o overkill |
| [03:48:39] | SHADOW_V: | your so ? |
| [03:48:42] | iamlindoro: | and viddypoo is overrated anyway |
| [03:48:44] | wagnerrp: | significant other |
| [03:48:45] | tmkt: | any idea when 22 will be out? |
| [03:48:47] | iamlindoro: | Significant other |
| [03:48:49] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok |
| [03:48:55] | SHADOW_V: | yeah she would |
| [03:49:04] | iamlindoro: | One of them scary girls you look at through their windows sometimes |
| [03:49:23] | iamlindoro: | tmkt, A few months, most likely |
| [03:49:41] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, uh sure but i have a so |
| [03:49:43] | tmkt: | the only other problem I have other then the schedules direct thing is the Mplay 202 LCD not working |
| [03:49:51] | tmkt: | didn't expect it to though |
| [03:50:06] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V, sure ya do |
| [03:50:15] | SHADOW_V: | :) |
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| [03:51:20] | SHADOW_V: | why is viddypoo overated |
| [03:51:38] | iamlindoro: | because slightly broken streams make it cry like a little girl |
| [03:51:39] | SHADOW_V: | allows cpu to focus on commflagging no? |
| [03:52:00] | SHADOW_V: | well its still new wouldnt that get fixed once its more mature |
| [03:52:10] | iamlindoro: | Vee dee poop is fine when it works. But when it screws up, it does it in style |
| [03:52:27] | iamlindoro: | It's a function of the hardware, not the software |
| [03:52:32] | SHADOW_V: | what constitues as "style" |
| [03:52:46] | iamlindoro: | The hardware is build to manage beastly bitrates and encoding options, not to provide fault tolerance, since it's designed for Blu Ray |
| [03:52:55] | SHADOW_V: | hmm |
| [03:52:58] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V, freezing the machine, turning the video playback to soup? |
| [03:53:09] | iamlindoro: | or my personal favorite, "permanently breaking the hardware" |
| [03:53:15] | SHADOW_V: | hmm yeah than its really not the most useful |
| [03:53:26] | SHADOW_V: | how does it break the hardware |
| [03:53:28] | tmkt: | so when I get this new video card...i should use SLiM as my video profile? |
| [03:53:45] | iamlindoro: | tmkt, yep |
| [03:53:51] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: in all fairness, didnt it just break VDPAU? |
| [03:54:02] | wagnerrp: | i thought normal Xv output still worked fine |
| [03:54:06] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Still permanent, still broke hardware |
| [03:54:20] | iamlindoro: | the breakage may have been limited, but still existed |
| [03:54:31] | SHADOW_V: | how does that even happen though |
| [03:54:37] | SHADOW_V: | overheated? |
| [03:54:47] | wagnerrp: | still no official word |
| [03:54:49] | tmkt: | will do, thank you again |
| [03:55:10] | kormoc: | by forgetting to zero out a pointer before telling the card to write to it... |
| [03:55:15] | iamlindoro: | Most likely the driver at that time allowed bad data being passed to it to overwrite something |
| [03:55:30] | SHADOW_V: | oh |
| [03:55:34] | SHADOW_V: | i guess when |
| [03:55:49] | SHADOW_V: | you get down the hardware level stuff its easier to break things |
| [03:55:52] | tmkt: | anyone using 0.22? |
| [03:55:58] | iamlindoro: | tmiw, exactly 0 people |
| [03:55:58] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [03:55:58] | kormoc: | there is no 0.22 |
| [03:56:01] | SHADOW_V: | no such thing |
| [03:56:13] | iamlindoro: | lots of people using trunk, though |
| [03:56:27] | wagnerrp: | when you realize that fact, you will understand that it is all in your mind |
| [03:57:09] | tmkt: | meant the truck/svn |
| [03:57:10] | wagnerrp: | there are several distros releasing 0.22 builds |
| [03:57:27] | wagnerrp: | however that is just for ease of use with their package systems |
| [03:57:30] | iamlindoro: | I have a truck parked outside |
| [03:57:44] | poodyp_: | any bodies in it? |
| [03:57:51] | iamlindoro: | not yet, but the night is young |
| [03:57:54] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, because it snows so much |
| [03:57:56] | poodyp_: | bodies of people asking about .22? |
| [03:57:56] | wagnerrp: | no, those are in the buick |
| [03:58:19] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V, or because I frequently have to haul large quantities of gear |
| [03:58:28] | sphery: | and he burned the bodies of people asking about framegrabbers with the framegrabbers themselves |
| [03:58:40] | iamlindoro: | yeah, that was fun |
| [03:58:44] | iamlindoro: | burny |
| [03:58:49] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, unnacceptable get a wagon heh |
| [03:58:59] | sphery: | red flyer? |
| [03:58:59] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V, get a job |
| [03:59:07] | kormoc: | *Bing* Bring out your dead!*Bing* |
| [03:59:21] | wagnerrp: | but.. im not dead yet |
| [03:59:29] | sphery: | ahh... I was too slow |
| [03:59:38] | wagnerrp: | as always |
| [04:00:02] | SHADOW_V: | there are wagon automobiles |
| [04:00:12] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, pickup? |
| [04:00:21] | iamlindoro: | No, SUV |
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| [04:00:43] | poodyp_: | I can't wait to get a hand-me-down truck from work |
| [04:00:58] | poodyp_: | tired of driving around with a ladder in my frigin car |
| [04:01:29] | SHADOW_V: | hmm |
| [04:02:54] | iamlindoro: | So I am really going to have to figure out a better way to commercial cut h.264 someday soon, I have True Blood episodes recorded with the HD-PVR backing up |
| [04:03:14] | wagnerrp: | commercials on a premium channel? |
| [04:03:18] | wagnerrp: | just what are you paying them for? |
| [04:03:29] | SHADOW_V: | to access hd commercials of course |
| [04:03:33] | iamlindoro: | In this case, just pre and post |
| [04:03:40] | iamlindoro: | so I'll probably just dd out the bit offsets |
| [04:03:45] | iamlindoro: | but long term that's a pain |
| [04:04:16] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, didnt you say it wasnt that much work to get mythcommflag to do it or am i mistaken |
| [04:04:36] | iamlindoro: | You are mistaken (and it would never be mythcommflags job anyway) |
| [04:04:53] | SHADOW_V: | right mythtranscode right |
| [04:05:02] | iamlindoro: | I did mention that I'd like to write a GOP-accurate cutter that would allow h.264 for mythtranscode, but I'm a long way from even starting anything like that |
| [04:05:52] | iamlindoro: | dd *does* work, though, just sucks |
| [04:06:05] | SHADOW_V: | what is the issue with mythtranscode currently that would not allow it to crop h.264 |
| [04:06:26] | iamlindoro: | Commercial cutting is not as easy as you think |
| [04:06:56] | SHADOW_V: | i know that it isnt easy |
| [04:07:15] | SHADOW_V: | i was just being curious as to what would be limitting it from one video format to another |
| [04:07:20] | iamlindoro: | the only thing that allows mythtranscode to do what it does with mpeg-2 is some imported code from replex, which is mpeg-2 only |
| [04:07:23] | SHADOW_V: | or encoding i guess right |
| [04:07:36] | iamlindoro: | transcoding is easy, lossless cutting is less so |
| [04:07:37] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok yeah i didnt know that part |
| [04:07:49] | iamlindoro: | mythtranscode would happily transcode HD-PVr stuff |
| [04:08:21] | SHADOW_V: | but the lossless cutting stuff is the issue |
| [04:08:37] | iamlindoro: | As previously mentioned, yes |
| [04:08:39] | SHADOW_V: | does mythcommflag work on h.264 |
| [04:08:48] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [04:08:53] | SHADOW_V: | ah alright |
| [04:08:55] | SHADOW_V: | thanks |
| [04:09:45] | mazda01: | hi ya'll |
| [04:13:42] | SHADOW_V: | asus exclusive innovations |
| [04:13:55] | SHADOW_V: | "Enthusiastic 4 Heat-Pipe Dark Knight Cooler " |
| [04:14:10] | jomido: | ok so if I go into Hardware->Sound and click "Test" I can hear sound out of my speakers, but no system sound other than that |
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| [04:15:58] | wagnerrp: | SHADOW_V: i cant imagine that works very well |
| [04:16:15] | SHADOW_V: | but its enthusiastic |
| [04:16:41] | SHADOW_V: | even if it doesnt work well it tries to do a good job |
| [04:17:02] | wagnerrp: | huh... it actually does keep things fairly cool |
| [04:17:24] | SHADOW_V: | i meant the wording |
| [04:18:01] | wagnerrp: | surprising, considering the underside of a card, and the tight spacing of those fins, do not facilitate passive convection flow |
| [04:18:11] | wagnerrp: | and that fan should not be pushing much air over those fins |
| [04:19:40] | SHADOW_V: | hmm |
| [04:19:59] | SHADOW_V: | so you are saying it actually does do well |
| [04:20:07] | wagnerrp: | according to a benchmark |
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| [04:26:37] | mattygabe: | hey guys, i'm back |
| [04:26:51] | mattygabe: | have a quick question, i think this time 'round the solution will be a bit more trivial |
| [04:27:22] | mattygabe: | afer re-boot the settings I tried to save in /etc/modprobe.d/options didn't take... I tried saving them in /etc/modprobe.d/options.conf because it prefers having a .conf file, I suppose |
| [04:27:24] | mattygabe: | but |
| [04:27:40] | mattygabe: | in dmesg for saa7134_dvb it says "Unknown parameter "card"" |
| [04:28:15] | tmiw: | huh? |
| [04:28:21] | tmiw: | oh, i got pinged by mistake again |
| [04:29:41] | iamlindoro: | mattygabe, it may only need card for the base saa7134 part |
| [04:29:47] | wagnerrp: | Trogod just keeps going... is he ever just going to build a system? |
| [04:29:52] | iamlindoro: | so you may just be able to safely remove the card part |
| [04:29:57] | iamlindoro: | from saa7134-dvb |
| [04:30:21] | iamlindoro: | sudo nano /etc/modprobe.d/options then edit out card=75 after saa7134-dvb |
| [04:30:36] | iamlindoro: | but leave it for the base saa7134 |
| [04:30:58] | wagnerrp: | not to mention in all his research, he still has no idea what to put in a computer |
| [04:31:22] | iamlindoro: | Aw, and the wiki history was just getting to be a sea of iamlindoro |
| [04:31:25] | wagnerrp: | at the bottom of his system page, he includes a power consumption printout, including one IDE drive and one 32MB AGP/PCI video card |
| [04:31:33] | iamlindoro: | and at least my info is useful |
| [04:32:07] | iamlindoro: | oh, he's not writing right now |
| [04:32:31] | wagnerrp: | and one stick of memory |
| [04:33:38] | mattygabe: | in order to test if these settings stick, I have to do a full restart, correct? |
| [04:34:02] | iamlindoro: | if you're trying to test whether they're survive a restart, a restart is called for, yes |
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| [04:35:10] | mattygabe: | so im curious, what kind of system do you use for mythtv? |
| [04:35:24] | mattygabe: | be as vague or detailed as you like |
| [04:35:34] | iamlindoro: | What specifically do you want to know? |
| [04:36:09] | mattygabe: | well, i guess hardware wise what type of processor, memory, video card combination do you use, what type of inputs are you providing to it (do you have digital cable, just OTA, QAM)? |
| [04:36:53] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, what article are you talking about i am curious and couldnt find it on the mythtv wiki so far |
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| [04:37:09] | iamlindoro: | Two systems at home, one a Q6600, one a Q9650, both with 8 GB of ram, one running Debian, one Ubuntu, all myth, drivers, and dependent packages compiled from source, recording 3xQAM, 1xfirewire input, and 1xHD-PVR |
| [04:37:09] | wagnerrp: | SHADOW_V: its a couple days old |
| [04:37:37] | wagnerrp: | trogod has been making a list of components for several weeks now |
| [04:37:45] | mattygabe: | nice |
| [04:37:49] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok link to it? |
| [04:38:09] | wagnerrp: | and a while back, flooded the wiki with duplicate pages of his possible future systems |
| [04:38:20] | wagnerrp: | required considerable cleanup |
| [04:38:22] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, are your systems two seperate backends or a be/sbe |
| [04:38:39] | iamlindoro: | One backend, one frontend |
| [04:38:47] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, nice some people take community to the nexy level |
| [04:38:57] | iamlindoro: | backend is mostly left alone, I work on myth code on the frontend |
| [04:39:09] | iamlindoro: | and convert it to an SBE when needed for that |
| [04:39:16] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, oh ok trying to figure out whats all that power is used for |
| [04:39:27] | SHADOW_V: | unless that info is classified |
| [04:39:32] | mattygabe: | lol |
| [04:39:44] | mattygabe: | half of it is for pr0n |
| [04:39:44] | wagnerrp: | mainly blu-ray |
| [04:39:54] | mattygabe: | elephant, meet room. |
| [04:39:56] | mattygabe: | hahaha |
| [04:39:58] | iamlindoro: | I prefer software rendering to VDPAU, and I have 8 TB or HD-DVD and blu ray, and an Hd-PVR |
| [04:40:18] | iamlindoro: | s/or/of/ |
| [04:40:18] | SHADOW_V: | ah right so that needs the moar powers |
| [04:40:32] | pat___: | my frontends are dell sff gx-260 with p4–1.6g processors |
| [04:41:13] | wagnerrp: | oof... |
| [04:41:22] | wagnerrp: | far more than needed for SD, far underpowered for HD |
| [04:41:31] | pat___: | all my tv is recorded on a dedicated backend with dvb tuners and all works well. I only have standard def tvs, so all recordings are transcoded to sd. |
| [04:41:56] | JYA: | I think if you have the CPU grunt, for BD, HD-DVD and all other progressive sources, VDPAU or software rendering make no difference. they look identical to me (and they should) |
| [04:42:05] | pat___: | the dells were cheap on ebay a while ago. |
| [04:43:07] | mattygabe: | iamlindoro, taking off the card option did the trick... is it required that options have a .conf file extension? I saw modprobe complain about it when I executed it manually, and I changed "options" to "options.conf" |
| [04:43:13] | wagnerrp: | JYA: not so, VDPAU barfs on stream errors, and a wide range of encoding options |
| [04:43:33] | iamlindoro: | mattygabe, I beleive ubuntu is trying to obsolete the monolithic options file, but it should still work for now |
| [04:43:47] | mattygabe: | alright |
| [04:43:52] | iamlindoro: | mattygabe, I believe the message you saw (which I also have seen) is just a warning ATM |
| [04:43:56] | iamlindoro: | but whatever works |
| [04:44:30] | mattygabe: | figured, kinda seemed like the type of thing where they're trying to change something but haven't changed it for good |
| [04:44:37] | JYA: | it's unlikely you'll get any stream errors with a HD-DVD or BD. The latest nvidia drivers have solved most issues related to stream error |
| [04:44:59] | JYA: | interestingly, the latest ffmpeg are far more sensitive to stream errors than the one in 0.21 |
| [04:45:31] | JYA: | I have files playing fine in 0.21 , well, as well as what you can expect them to. Yet, ffmpeg 15261 (the one in trunk) choke on those |
| [04:45:46] | JYA: | latest ffmpeg trunk, completely refuses to play them... |
| [04:46:50] | wagnerrp: | cant say ive got anything myth cant play with enough CPU grunt |
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| [04:47:00] | wagnerrp: | but ive got a couple files that fail on VDPAU |
| [04:47:12] | JYA: | which nvidia drivers? |
| [04:47:36] | wagnerrp: | whatever the stable 185 release is |
| [04:47:49] | JYA: | the main reason I'm keen on vdpau is for the deinterlacers anyway... |
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| [04:48:18] | JYA: | you may not want to used vdpau with 185.18.14 anyway.. I got a hardware lockup every few hours with those |
| [04:48:22] | wagnerrp: | ive got low end cards, so i cant use the nice deint anyway |
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| [04:51:44] | SHADOW_V: | anyone try the windows port of mythtv |
| [04:52:02] | wagnerrp: | i did some time last year, never got it working |
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| [04:52:17] | iamlindoro: | But enough about wagnerrp's time in prison |
| [04:52:38] | SHADOW_V: | wagnerrp, i am trying to debate if its worth it |
| [04:53:05] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, yeah well since i cant get a mb just yet have to deal with what i have |
| [04:53:47] | iamlindoro: | "I did some time last year" |
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| [04:54:58] | SHADOW_V: | ah |
| [04:55:04] | SHADOW_V: | didnt catch that |
| [04:55:13] | SHADOW_V: | -4 SHADOW_V |
| [04:55:56] | SHADOW_V: | well from reading into it the fe works which is exactly what i want |
| [04:56:20] | SHADOW_V: | in 14 hours i will let you know if it works |
| [05:00:58] | SHADOW_V: | hmm seems like i may need to install xp within a vm |
| [05:01:10] | iamlindoro: | Well there's a recipe for success |
| [05:01:23] | SHADOW_V: | its incredible reasurring |
| [05:01:27] | iamlindoro: | A known-unstable frontend in a windows VM |
| [05:01:36] | iamlindoro: | That's sure to be satisfying |
| [05:01:41] | SHADOW_V: | i much rather just buy my mb |
| [05:02:00] | wagnerrp: | why cant you just install it directly? |
| [05:02:02] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, well for the compiling process i might need to use an xp vm not to run the fe |
| [05:02:29] | SHADOW_V: | according the the wiki page there are incompatibility issues with vista 64 and i am on 7 64 bit |
| [05:02:37] | SHADOW_V: | so i am going to try it anyway |
| [05:02:42] | SHADOW_V: | then install the vm if need be |
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| [05:08:21] | lwizardl: | hi can mythtv handle evo files? |
| [05:10:11] | kormoc: | (assuming you mean hd-dvd files) the EVO files are worthless without the MAP files as well, and no, nothing on linux plays HDDVD natively yet, you have to use windows to extract it into another format |
| [05:11:05] | SHADOW_V: | SOB xp vm is going to be easier |
| [05:11:19] | lwizardl: | well I was looking at ripping my discs to files on a HDD and the wanting to play the files without transcoding to something like mkv etc |
| [05:11:19] | wagnerrp: | i was under the impression evos played just fine |
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| [05:11:45] | kormoc: | wagnerrp, iamlindoro is the HDDVD Master and I'm fairly sure he rips on windows |
| [05:12:04] | iamlindoro: | HD-DVD I've been doing in Linux |
| [05:12:05] | lwizardl: | I can rip the discs fine atleast last time i tried king kong |
| [05:12:10] | kormoc: | so I'm wrong! |
| [05:12:12] | lwizardl: | sweet |
| [05:12:17] | SHADOW_V: | dun dun dun |
| [05:12:26] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, But the first time through (before I had an array crash a year or so ago) I did |
| [05:12:28] | ** kormoc bows to the master and comits harrikarri ** | |
| [05:12:35] | iamlindoro: | and all the Blu is all done in windows |
| [05:12:36] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [05:12:42] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, what apps you using? i was using a java app dumpHD i think it was |
| [05:12:51] | iamlindoro: | DumpHD is your only option |
| [05:13:02] | wagnerrp: | dont send him to the mental institute... who will be our mad baseball announcer? |
| [05:13:11] | lwizardl: | could a linux install on the ps3 be used to do rips |
| [05:13:25] | wagnerrp: | lwizardl: kind of... |
| [05:13:29] | lwizardl: | for blurays |
| [05:13:33] | wagnerrp: | you would have to rip an image to disk |
| [05:13:37] | wagnerrp: | mount it on a windows machine |
| [05:13:40] | wagnerrp: | decrypt |
| [05:13:51] | wagnerrp: | and copy back to your file server |
| [05:14:03] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, can I pm you for a few minutes I'm sure this is getting OT |
| [05:14:16] | iamlindoro: | Linux on the PS3 couldn't do anything for Blu ray that linux on a regulat PC |
| [05:14:20] | iamlindoro: | regular |
| [05:14:31] | iamlindoro: | you'd still be unable to decrypt BD+ |
| [05:14:45] | iamlindoro: | in channel is fine, I'm not down for PMs right now |
| [05:14:52] | lwizardl: | I was just saying because I have no bluray drives other than my ps3 |
| [05:15:04] | wagnerrp: | and unlike a normal linux PC, theres no way youre running a windows VM on a ps3 |
| [05:15:31] | iamlindoro: | If you want Blu ray disks, outside of a very few early disks, you're going to need a PC Blu ray drive and windows |
| [05:15:41] | lwizardl: | ok well i was going to ask where did you get the current list of keys? the last one i had was from when dumphd was first released with like 10 movie keys |
| [05:15:57] | wagnerrp: | theres a guide on the wiki |
| [05:16:00] | iamlindoro: | My drive is flashed with a hacked firware, I don't need keys |
| [05:16:09] | iamlindoro: | indeed, a well written guide, written by sexy people |
| [05:16:11] | wagnerrp: | you need a drive that can be hacked, so that keys can be pulled out of it |
| [05:16:17] | lwizardl: | :) ok you just peeked my interest |
| [05:16:45] | iamlindoro: | piqued |
| [05:16:55] | lwizardl: | for my hddvd drive i have the 360 addon and my set top HDA30 |
| [05:17:14] | iamlindoro: | the 360 drive will work, your set top player will now |
| [05:17:15] | iamlindoro: | not |
| [05:17:22] | wagnerrp: | well theres a limited few number of drives with hacked firmwares available |
| [05:17:28] | lwizardl: | yeah other than playing the movies |
| [05:17:34] | iamlindoro: | yeah, neither of those can be hacked |
| [05:17:47] | iamlindoro: | the LG drive I have is quite nice, both blu and HD-DVD |
| [05:17:48] | ** SHADOW_V grumbles about vm being the e asiest way ** | |
| [05:17:52] | lwizardl: | so another drive to add to the windows ripping machine |
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| [05:18:12] | wagnerrp: | you can use the 360 drive just fine in the windows ripping machine |
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| [05:18:28] | lwizardl: | its already got 2 lg drives. one for ripping xbox/xbox360 games and one for ripping gamecube/wii games |
| [05:18:32] | wagnerrp: | the only reason to use windows is for anydvd |
| [05:18:33] | iamlindoro: | and external keys files aren't used any more anyway |
| [05:18:38] | iamlindoro: | libaacs is |
| [05:18:43] | wagnerrp: | which removes the need for hacked firmwares and the like |
| [05:18:47] | arrenlex: | In 'manual schedule', I can't enter a channel number with the remote — I have to manually press the right arrow key to go up by one! Is there some way to enable this? Fixed in a new version, perhaps? |
| [05:19:31] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, you got a link for a guide on the new steps? last time i missed with this stuff was around when dumphd was first released and hddvds was still releasing new movies |
| [05:19:41] | iamlindoro: | somewhere on doom9 |
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| [05:20:01] | iamlindoro: | Which means you have to google it or I have to google it, and I don't need it ;) |
| [05:20:19] | lwizardl: | k i just bought a new (for me atleast) hddvd waterworld and want to rip it also |
| [05:20:23] | kormoc: | arrenlex, and all you're doing is adding more spam to the dev channel... |
| [05:20:59] | iamlindoro: | the MythUI version of that screen still uses a buttonlist |
| [05:21:05] | lwizardl: | I have most of my hddvd collection ripped so far and saved waiting for a working mythtv setup on my part to be finished |
| [05:21:25] | iamlindoro: | though if you have repeat turned on on your remote you should be able to crank through them in seconds, since you can hold down a key |
| [05:22:01] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, the current trunk ffmpeg will work for most of the files, another sync will make it better, and I have a few patches pending for parsing some of the audio tracks in a slightly better way |
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| [05:22:09] | iamlindoro: | all told, by .22 it should be quite a bit better |
| [05:22:50] | poodyp: | how is mouse support in trunk? |
| [05:22:58] | kormoc: | no different |
| [05:23:04] | poodyp: | :( |
| [05:23:06] | lwizardl: | sweet. my only issue currently is figuring out where i'm having a grounding issue on this pc case and then my mythtv setup should be ok. i'm currently killing drives if the case moves |
| [05:23:06] | iamlindoro: | can you be more specific? It works |
| [05:23:36] | SHADOW_V1: | how do you enable repeat on the remotes |
| [05:23:46] | iamlindoro: | lircrc |
| [05:24:06] | iamlindoro: | where repeat = 0 is repeat off, but then 1 is the fastest repeat, with it getting slower as numbers go up |
| [05:24:24] | SHADOW_V1: | ah ok great thanks |
| [05:24:30] | poodyp: | I forget what I was having trouble with that made me quit trying to use a mouse |
| [05:24:31] | SHADOW_V1: | i didnt even think to look into that |
| [05:24:36] | SHADOW_V1: | thanks alot iamlindoro |
| [05:24:59] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [05:25:11] | wagnerrp: | you do have to enable the option to not hide the mouse |
| [05:26:12] | poodyp: | yeah, did that, but I think it kept getting covered up by things anyway |
| [05:29:16] | mazda01: | anyone know what I can do without restarting my machine to trouble shoot why my it says that my /dev/video0 is busy but it's not according to mythtv? |
| [05:29:31] | mazda01: | my last 2 recordings were black? |
| [05:30:25] | kormoc: | restart the backend? |
| [05:31:38] | mazda01: | i try to watch tv on that tuner and frontend just kicks me out of mythtv. errors show this: http://pastebin.com/ma028683 |
| [05:31:50] | mazda01: | kormoc, without doing that though? |
| [05:32:11] | mazda01: | kormoc, because then the tuners on the slave backend will lose their recordings. |
| [05:32:44] | iamlindoro: | yeah, krmoc, how can he troubleshoot without doing anything to actually fix it? ;) |
| [05:32:47] | iamlindoro: | kormoc |
| [05:32:56] | mazda01: | kormoc, i suppose I could check to see if they are playing at a later date. I was just wondering if what I want to do is possible. I tried removing the ivtv module but it said it couldn't, it was in use. |
| [05:33:08] | iamlindoro: | it's in use by your backend |
| [05:33:21] | iamlindoro: | and if you want to *really* break things, keep messing with modules while the backend has the devices open |
| [05:33:24] | mazda01: | iamlindoro, not according to mythweb or mythtv-status |
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| [05:33:36] | iamlindoro: | I didn't say it was recordings |
| [05:33:38] | iamlindoro: | recording |
| [05:33:45] | iamlindoro: | doesn't mean the backend isn't holding it open |
| [05:33:50] | mazda01: | iamlindoro, oh, so it's just hung or something? |
| [05:34:02] | iamlindoro: | No, tuner devices belong to myth when myth is running |
| [05:34:32] | iamlindoro: | like it or not, you will need to restart the backend, as kormoc mentioned |
| [05:34:44] | mazda01: | iamlindoro, oh. but how come I can cat /dev/video0 on my slave backend when myth is running then? |
| [05:35:11] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [05:35:19] | iamlindoro: | well, seems you've got it all figured out, good luck |
| [05:35:27] | iamlindoro: | Clearly it's my first day here |
| [05:35:46] | iamlindoro: | off to more satisfying pursuits, like shoving bamboo under my fingernails |
| [05:35:57] | mazda01: | iamlindoro, im just saying that according to mythtv-status that card is idle. but clearly it's not because I can't cat /dev/video0 > test.mpg it or remove the module. |
| [05:36:20] | mazda01: | iamlindoro, i don't know why you're getting like that. I am merely asking a question. |
| [05:36:27] | iamlindoro: | mazda01, and *I'm* just saying that it's not worth arguing with someone asking for help |
| [05:36:38] | mazda01: | iamlindoro, trying to understand to the degree that you understand mythtv |
| [05:36:42] | iamlindoro: | believe the advice, or don't, but I won't shove it down anyone's throat |
| [05:36:49] | iamlindoro: | off to TV time |
| [05:36:56] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, this is the only thing i am finding so far http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=12311 . . . light=dumphd |
| [05:37:14] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, yes, aacskeys is linked there |
| [05:37:20] | iamlindoro: | the 4–13 version |
| [05:37:30] | iamlindoro: | aacskeys replaces a keys file |
| [05:37:40] | lwizardl: | k just making sure it has been updated and not giving me just old info |
| [05:37:43] | mazda01: | iamlindoro, ok. i'll restart the backend if that's the only way to unfreeze tuner 1 despite mythtv-status and mythweb stating it's not in use. |
| [05:37:44] | iamlindoro: | (for drives which cannot be flashed not to need it) |
| [05:38:46] | kormoc: | mazda01, I'm sure that if you bothered to check dmesg, you'd see something about ivtv being in some odd state. The easy fix is to restart the backend, why the MBE restarting would affect your slave backends is beyond me... |
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| [05:39:38] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, so does your mythtv box play all your hd/bd rips? |
| [05:40:41] | mazda01: | kormoc, OH. so killing the backend won't kill a recording that is in process on the slave backend? |
| [05:40:48] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, yes, though I have written numerous patches to improve the situation |
| [05:41:15] | kormoc: | mazda01, it shouldn't AFAIK |
| [05:41:29] | lwizardl: | ok so not as good as native player set tops but handles them good enough for now |
| [05:41:32] | mazda01: | kormoc, ok. |
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| [05:43:10] | lwizardl: | what kind of hardware you using for the front end iamlindoro |
| [05:43:36] | SHADOW_V1: | core i10 |
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| [05:43:51] | iamlindoro: | This one goes to 11 |
| [05:43:58] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, Q6600, Q9650 |
| [05:44:12] | poodyp: | my current frontend optiplex gx620 with a 2.6GHz Pentium D |
| [05:44:46] | poodyp: | I can play 10Mbps 1080p with only %50 cpu utilization |
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| [05:45:18] | poodyp: | s/d o/d is an o/ |
| [05:46:07] | iamlindoro: | It's too late at night to explain why "10Mbit 1080p" isn't a useful metric |
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| [05:46:33] | SHADOW_V1: | and now that i have been taught by iamlindoro and wagnerrp i know why |
| [05:46:35] | SHADOW_V1: | :) |
| [05:46:41] | poodyp: | I forget if it was mpeg2 or h264 |
| [05:46:43] | iamlindoro: | especially as it would inevitably degenerate into a discussion of where 10Mbit H.264 sources are born |
| [05:47:00] | poodyp: | I think it was h264 |
| [05:47:36] | lwizardl: | my mythbox is an AMD athlon 64 x2 Blackbox edition 5000+ 2.6GHZ, 2GB DDR2 800 ram, 400GB sata 3.0gb/s drive, 512mb nvidia geforce 7200GS |
| [05:48:14] | poodyp: | but it can play everything I can record which is all that really matters |
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| [05:57:14] | lwizardl: | so iamlindoro think my hardware would andle the native rips? |
| [05:57:41] | Dagmar: | You'll never know until you try. |
| [05:57:55] | Dagmar: | ...which is not being gnomic, it's being realistic. |
| [05:58:05] | Dagmar: | You've just got no idea how many variables come into play. |
| [05:58:21] | Dagmar: | Without testing, any answer will be about as accurate as a Magic 8-Ball |
| [05:58:26] | SHADOW_V1: | its more than just x and y |
| [05:58:33] | Dagmar: | It's a whole bloody alphabet. |
| [05:58:44] | Dagmar: | That having been said, you've got pretty good odds. |
| [05:58:49] | SHADOW_V1: | even doubling up ab ac? |
| [05:59:14] | Dagmar: | Meh. 2.6Ghz core. He's not in bad shape, it's close-ish |
| [05:59:58] | lwizardl: | yeah before i can get my mth box working i gotta get the pc working properly. I'm thinking either the case has a bad ground or the mobo has a cold soder point |
| [06:00:20] | iamlindoro: | As of right now that box should play most native rips nicely, with a few outliers giving it trouble |
| [06:00:38] | iamlindoro: | once ffmpeg-mt gets merged later this summer, and that gets synced to myth, it'll make mincemeat of any blu ray material |
| [06:00:51] | lwizardl: | if the case moves just a tad bit it powers off and the hdd and cdrom drive in the case when it does that is dead |
| [06:01:01] | Dagmar: | lwizardl: Or you've got a screw loose up under the motherboard, or you've put a grounding post where one shouldn't be (or vice-versa) |
| [06:01:42] | Dagmar: | I'm guessing you probably just need to strip down the case and give the mounting posts under the MB a good looking at |
| [06:01:45] | AndyCap: | when you hear hooves, think horses, not zebras. :P |
| [06:02:12] | lwizardl: | Dagmar, I only placed the screws into the posts directly visible through holes in the mobo. i'm going to test the computer out side of the case and see what happens |
| [06:02:28] | Dagmar: | pardon my paranoia, but... |
| [06:02:47] | Dagmar: | Does this mean you didn't make sure there weren't *extra* posts up under there which didn't have matching holes in the MB? |
| [06:02:59] | Dagmar: | Your statement leaves that undefined. |
| [06:03:13] | lwizardl: | if it still does it then I know the mobo is the issue. which i think it is because it was an open box from newegg |
| [06:03:45] | lwizardl: | Dagmar, i removed all the posts from the case before test fiting the mobo and seeing where that board needs them at |
| [06:03:57] | Dagmar: | Ah okay |
| [06:04:08] | lwizardl: | the first mobo i got from newegg for this case was doa |
| [06:04:23] | lwizardl: | it was a biostar mobo, and now i have a MSI |
| [06:04:24] | Dagmar: | Believe it or not, I've gone to fix PCs before and found the user filled in *all* the holes in the backplane with metal standoffs |
| [06:04:37] | lwizardl: | lol |
| [06:04:58] | Dagmar: | Like, the good news there is that there were so many grounding shorts the electricity never had a chance to get into anything bad |
| [06:05:24] | lwizardl: | i always remove all posts from the case first and then look for any spos that could have issues like points touching bare metal before i even put in any parts |
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| [06:06:09] | Dagmar: | There's another statement that scares me |
| [06:06:19] | Dagmar: | Those standoffs should be about a CM long |
| [06:06:23] | lwizardl: | well so far on this pc i have had 3 dvd-rw drives die and 4 hdds |
| [06:06:30] | Dagmar: | Tell me you're not putting washers in there or something instead |
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| [06:06:44] | Dagmar: | It's *blowing equipment* out? |
| [06:06:46] | SHADOW_V1: | :) |
| [06:06:48] | lwizardl: | nothing major largest drive was 60gb |
| [06:06:53] | Dagmar: | Throw away the PSU. |
| [06:06:56] | lwizardl: | nope no washers |
| [06:06:57] | SHADOW_V1: | yup |
| [06:07:00] | Dagmar: | Throw away the PSU. |
| [06:07:03] | lwizardl: | and yes its killing stuff |
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| [06:07:07] | SHADOW_V1: | NOW |
| [06:07:12] | Dagmar: | A motherboard short will generally never kill equipment like that |
| [06:07:13] | lwizardl: | did that bought a new psu and same issue |
| [06:07:15] | Dagmar: | You have a serious PSU problem |
| [06:07:19] | Dagmar: | wtf |
| [06:07:39] | ** Dagmar racks his brain ** | |
| [06:07:50] | SHADOW_V1: | any ever overload a psu so much they saw a neon green sparc? |
| [06:08:02] | lwizardl: | not kidding if the case moves like .1mm even on carpet or on the desk the pc powers off |
| [06:08:11] | Dagmar: | I thought of that but I think if he'd scored like an 80W PSU he'd have been bragging about i |
| [06:08:15] | Dagmar: | Something's hellishly wrong |
| [06:08:22] | lwizardl: | and any drive in the system won't detect in the bios |
| [06:08:24] | SHADOW_V1: | yeah |
| [06:08:33] | iamlindoro: | I set a hard drive on fire when I was a kind once, SHADOW_V1, does that count? |
| [06:08:36] | lwizardl: | nope first psu was 600w |
| [06:08:41] | iamlindoro: | like, consumed in flames fire |
| [06:08:43] | Dagmar: | If a drive won't detect in the BIOS then either it's dead or the PCI and/or SATA controllers are |
| [06:08:44] | lwizardl: | and the current one is 450w |
| [06:08:53] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, eh kinda for a forensics project i shot at hd's with guns |
| [06:08:54] | iamlindoro: | and not on purpose |
| [06:09:07] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, oh ok you get points for that |
| [06:09:11] | iamlindoro: | s/kind/kid/ |
| [06:09:12] | Dagmar: | We got that degausser in |
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| [06:09:30] | iamlindoro: | And this is when $/MB ratio was not good |
| [06:09:35] | iamlindoro: | note that's MB, not GB |
| [06:09:46] | SHADOW_V1: | yeah you get extra points for that |
| [06:09:52] | SHADOW_V1: | you old battleaxe you |
| [06:09:55] | iamlindoro: | probably right around the 2$/MB time |
| [06:10:06] | SHADOW_V1: | ouch what was it a 250? |
| [06:10:07] | iamlindoro: | not that old, but old enough to appreciate how cheap storage has become :) |
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| [06:10:22] | iamlindoro: | was a 500 B drive, I believe |
| [06:10:24] | iamlindoro: | er MB |
| [06:10:28] | SHADOW_V1: | nice |
| [06:10:39] | SHADOW_V1: | how exactly did the fire start btw |
| [06:10:39] | Dagmar: | After giving it some hard thought, I've got no idea |
| [06:10:50] | iamlindoro: | I took it apart and put it back together |
| [06:10:55] | SHADOW_V1: | heh |
| [06:11:03] | SHADOW_V1: | clean the gunk off the platters right |
| [06:11:05] | Dagmar: | Like, I don't want to be mean, but even randomly picked hardware from an unmarked cardboard box shouldn't blow out drives like that |
| [06:11:31] | Dagmar: | I would have said the PSU was filled with Satan, but since that's been replaced, that's out. |
| [06:11:34] | Dagmar: | OH! |
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| [06:11:36] | SHADOW_V1: | lwizardl, are the psu new new or new to you |
| [06:11:37] | iamlindoro: | I think it was more me being curious to see what the platters looked like after hearing the head crashing on them and causing what turned out to be big divots |
| [06:11:50] | Dagmar: | lwizardl: DO YOU HAVE A MULTIMETER there? |
| [06:11:51] | SHADOW_V1: | heh nice |
| [06:12:01] | Dagmar: | Check the wall outlet it's plugged into. |
| [06:12:33] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, seagate hd? |
| [06:12:40] | lwizardl: | SHADOW_V1, yeah both are new, the 600w was from ebay so i'm sure that was its problem |
| [06:12:45] | Dagmar: | 15+ years of experience says the problem is likely there, or you're doing something a trained tech would burst into tears at seeing |
| [06:12:45] | iamlindoro: | Was probably connor or maxtor |
| [06:12:55] | lwizardl: | and the 450w is from a local shop and was still wraped |
| [06:13:10] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: You realize that you can't be sure that *you* started the fire, having cited those two vendors, right? |
| [06:13:25] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, hmm never heard of connor before gues i am a youngin i do have a 5.25 bigfoot hd though |
| [06:13:37] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Heh, my having just had it gutted tips the odds considerably in favor of it having been my fault |
| [06:13:50] | Dagmar: | lwizardl: Do you have a PSU from any other machine that you *know* is good thta you could cannibalize temporarily to test with? |
| [06:13:51] | iamlindoro: | !trout SHADOW_V1 young punk |
| [06:13:51] | ** MythLogBot slaps SHADOW_V1 with a young punk trout on behalf of iamlindoro... ** | |
| [06:13:59] | iamlindoro: | jesus christ, haven't heard of connor? |
| [06:14:08] | SHADOW_V1: | how young do you think i am |
| [06:14:09] | Dagmar: | The only things you've not replaced would be the PATA and SATA cables |
| [06:14:11] | lwizardl: | Dagmar, yeah i have 2 of them. one from radio shack and one from harbor freight but none really great ones |
| [06:14:16] | Dagmar: | one of those COULD be bad |
| [06:14:21] | iamlindoro: | they're the company that gave Seagate all their FAIL |
| [06:14:25] | Dagmar: | ...but I think the odds might be higher something is very wrong with the wall socket |
| [06:14:34] | SHADOW_V1: | yeah they dont ring a bell |
| [06:14:53] | Dagmar: | If you have a multimeter there and know how to use it, this would be a good time to break that puppy out and make damn sure you don't have like, 60VAC coming up through the ground line or something. |
| [06:15:25] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V1, you're young enough not to have heard of conner, that's how young |
| [06:15:42] | SHADOW_V1: | great description there |
| [06:15:43] | iamlindoro: | Young enough that you never programmed in Logo in elementary school |
| [06:15:54] | SHADOW_V1: | nope |
| [06:15:56] | Dagmar: | They didn't have logo when I was in elementary school. |
| [06:16:01] | iamlindoro: | young enough that Oregon trail had graphics for you |
| [06:16:04] | lwizardl: | Dagmar, I've used the meters for stuff like testing fuses etc but thats about it |
| [06:16:13] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, i believe it did |
| [06:16:18] | SHADOW_V1: | was never a fan though |
| [06:16:22] | iamlindoro: | Young enough that you don't know what a wumpus is |
| [06:16:23] | Dagmar: | lwizardl: Well, if you're feeling brave, it's not hard to check a wall outlet |
| [06:16:30] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, nope |
| [06:16:41] | iamlindoro: | that's *YOUNG* |
| [06:16:44] | iamlindoro: | and I'm not even 30 yet |
| [06:16:53] | Dagmar: | lwizardl: Set the thing to >200VAC and shove the probes into the spade holes. You should see 110–120 AC (that's the first test) |
| [06:16:56] | lwizardl: | i'll try it in the morning when more people are awake incase something bad happens |
| [06:17:32] | iamlindoro: | God, you've probably never even encountered a Grue |
| [06:17:36] | SHADOW_V1: | it was released in 1980 cmon |
| [06:17:40] | Dagmar: | lwizardl: One of these is "hot" and one of them is "neutral". Doesn't really matter which. You then check each one against the ground hole. One should (again) show 110–120VAC, one should show *nothing* |
| [06:17:46] | SHADOW_V1: | i dont even know what that is |
| [06:17:59] | Dagmar: | The one that shows no voltage, you then do a _resistance_ check. You should see less than 10 ohms |
| [06:18:06] | iamlindoro: | GOOD GOD HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT A GRUE IS |
| [06:18:14] | iamlindoro: | Your geek card is REVOKED |
| [06:18:26] | Dagmar: | ...although if you'd see a lot of resistance on the ground you would probably see some bias coming up out of the ground (which is bad) |
| [06:18:53] | iamlindoro: | I like Kormoc, we're contemporary and played all the same games |
| [06:18:57] | lwizardl: | Dagmar, this is my meter http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/display . . . ction=Search |
| [06:19:05] | Dagmar: | Surge suppressors can go bad, UPSes can lose their minds, and a lightning hit or other short can actually fuse wiring in an outlet and cause weird things to happen |
| [06:19:32] | SHADOW_V1: | is that what a grue is |
| [06:19:33] | SHADOW_V1: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grue_(monster) |
| [06:19:39] | iamlindoro: | I cry for our youth when they are more excited about God of war 97 than a new Monkey Island game |
| [06:19:54] | ** kormoc weeps for humanity ** | |
| [06:19:57] | Dagmar: | That link didn't actually go to a product |
| [06:19:57] | iamlindoro: | without reading, probably |
| [06:20:15] | lwizardl: | ok item number 90899 |
| [06:20:21] | Dagmar: | Either way, any multimeter you didn't buy from the quarter machine outside the grocery store should be able to safely test a wall outlet. |
| [06:20:25] | iamlindoro: | I was very excited when Chuck made Zork a plot point |
| [06:20:34] | lwizardl: | nope it was 4.99 |
| [06:20:36] | Dagmar: | Yeah that one will work fine |
| [06:20:36] | lwizardl: | lol |
| [06:20:54] | Dagmar: | Mine's a $60 one I got on sale for $20 but that was 10 years ago |
| [06:21:01] | lwizardl: | k |
| [06:21:20] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, two weeks! |
| [06:21:22] | lwizardl: | would you mind sending me the steps for testing in a pm |
| [06:21:23] | Dagmar: | There was an old (i.e., "historic building") one of our client's offices was in where I tested the wiring |
| [06:21:39] | Dagmar: | ...because they were having us out there weekly for machines dying. |
| [06:21:51] | Dagmar: | I had to force myself not to *run* outside |
| [06:21:53] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, so if i dont have a geek card what do i have |
| [06:22:07] | Dagmar: | 38–45VAC coming out of the ground lines. |
| [06:22:09] | iamlindoro: | a geek lite card |
| [06:22:18] | iamlindoro: | where everything has graphics and is made nice for you |
| [06:22:22] | lwizardl: | I know on all my tv lines in my room I have a constant humming unless i run it through a surge protector |
| [06:22:30] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, i like terminal |
| [06:22:32] | SHADOW_V1: | and bash |
| [06:22:36] | Dagmar: | This is why you use a TRAINED electrician to wire your antebellum property |
| [06:22:37] | SHADOW_V1: | love* |
| [06:22:47] | iamlindoro: | well super, let me know when you've finished all the infocom games |
| [06:22:54] | iamlindoro: | them we'll graduate you to the *early* sierra games |
| [06:22:57] | Dagmar: | You absolutely don't just replace the ancient wiring with modern, and then add flourescent lights |
| [06:23:01] | Dagmar: | lol |
| [06:23:02] | iamlindoro: | them we'll let you play lucasFILM games games |
| [06:23:03] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, i was never a big gamer though |
| [06:23:10] | iamlindoro: | then we'll let you play lucasarts games |
| [06:23:13] | iamlindoro: | then some late sierra games |
| [06:23:25] | SHADOW_V1: | atleast i know who those people are |
| [06:23:27] | iamlindoro: | then you'll realize how games have been on a gradual downslide since Grim Fandango |
| [06:23:32] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Screw bothering, they're about to do a new McCracken |
| [06:23:35] | iamlindoro: | It's not gaming, it's CULTURE |
| [06:23:49] | Dagmar: | Grim Fandango was probably one of the best games ever for single player |
| [06:23:52] | lwizardl: | iamlindoro, so when can he play maniac mansion |
| [06:24:07] | lwizardl: | hehe |
| [06:24:13] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, after infocom |
| [06:24:19] | iamlindoro: | This is a strict cirriculum |
| [06:24:30] | lwizardl: | I still haven't finished that game yet |
| [06:24:32] | iamlindoro: | God, even talking about them makes me want to follow my own cirriculum |
| [06:24:39] | Dagmar: | If someone redid the engine to take advantage of modern video cards and re-released it, it would probably take awards again |
| [06:25:09] | iamlindoro: | The Grim sequel is one of the many adventure games that lucasarts scrapped :( |
| [06:25:28] | lwizardl: | I think my nes cart is glitched. i'm going to grab a new rom and test and see what happens. because I don't remember the item exactly but something isn't where the guides online says it is |
| [06:25:32] | iamlindoro: | Which is why everyone needs to buy the monkey remake and telltale game |
| [06:25:43] | iamlindoro: | lwizardl, put the hamster in the microwave |
| [06:25:48] | iamlindoro: | if you can do it, you have a very rare cart |
| [06:26:15] | lwizardl: | i'll test that i still have my nes hooked to my tv |
| [06:26:19] | lwizardl: | i play it weekly |
| [06:27:00] | iamlindoro: | There were probably a few thousand of those carts made, and very few survived |
| [06:27:35] | SHADOW_V1: | very big on culture you are |
| [06:27:41] | lwizardl: | well I remember getting the game close to the release date |
| [06:28:13] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm anyone have a pinnacle 800i and a hvr 1250 |
| [06:28:33] | iamlindoro: | It's funny how fast I can blast through all the lucasfilm games now, could probably finish most of them in under an hour, but back then they took me AGES |
| [06:34:40] | SHADOW_V1: | so how many days of video games do you want me to go through |
| [06:34:55] | iamlindoro: | days? This course is measured in *years*, boy |
| [06:35:11] | iamlindoro: | Go finish all the infocom games |
| [06:35:11] | defaultro: | anyone here with Dish Network? |
| [06:35:17] | iamlindoro: | INCLUDING plundered hearts |
| [06:35:21] | SHADOW_V1: | you want me to go through years of video games |
| [06:35:30] | iamlindoro: | you can come back in 2010 when you're done with that |
| [06:35:35] | SHADOW_V1: | you want me to steal hearts? |
| [06:35:42] | iamlindoro: | and no walkthroughs |
| [06:36:13] | SHADOW_V1: | but i need to work and goto school |
| [06:36:23] | iamlindoro: | This is school |
| [06:36:29] | SHADOW_V1: | heh |
| [06:36:36] | SHADOW_V1: | right i can put this on my resume |
| [06:36:48] | iamlindoro: | If you do it right, you won't need a resume |
| [06:36:49] | SHADOW_V1: | i will get a great job as soon as they see that |
| [06:36:52] | iamlindoro: | people will just KNOW |
| [06:36:59] | SHADOW_V1: | oh right of course |
| [06:37:17] | iamlindoro: | "Hey! That's the kind of guy who almost certainly has faced down the Sariens." |
| [06:37:20] | iamlindoro: | or |
| [06:37:30] | iamlindoro: | "I bet he would totally beat me in an insult swordfight" |
| [06:37:32] | iamlindoro: | or |
| [06:37:42] | iamlindoro: | "I get that guy has solved the babelfish puzzle" |
| [06:37:46] | iamlindoro: | s/get/bet/ |
| [06:38:04] | SHADOW_V1: | all this and more if i play video games for a year |
| [06:38:11] | iamlindoro: | a year? |
| [06:38:14] | iamlindoro: | That's just Infocom |
| [06:38:19] | SHADOW_V1: | oh so more than a year |
| [06:38:30] | iamlindoro: | Year two is LucasFILM games and AGI engine Sierra games |
| [06:38:31] | SHADOW_V1: | how many hour days are we talking about |
| [06:38:37] | iamlindoro: | 40 hours days |
| [06:38:41] | iamlindoro: | s/hours/hour/ |
| [06:38:49] | SHADOW_V1: | oh so this is like a 4 year degree in itself |
| [06:38:57] | iamlindoro: | You're going to need to move somewhere with a longer orbit |
| [06:39:07] | iamlindoro: | This is better than any degree |
| [06:39:17] | SHADOW_V1: | right so i have to lengthen days to almost 2 times their original size and also not sleep or eat and not die |
| [06:39:33] | Dagmar: | Okay. nuff chit chat for me. Time to kill Ahune |
| [06:39:35] | iamlindoro: | You can eat and sleep |
| [06:39:45] | iamlindoro: | dying will affect graduation, though |
| [06:39:57] | SHADOW_V1: | oh sweet so i am allowed to eat and sleep thats nice |
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| [06:40:09] | SHADOW_V1: | i will try not to die then |
| [06:40:33] | Dagmar: | SHADOW_V1: That deprivation comes later, when you're being put through the Early MMO years and playing EverQuest |
| [06:40:42] | iamlindoro: | Ew, everquest |
| [06:40:48] | SHADOW_V1: | eh mmo |
| [06:40:50] | Dagmar: | You'll cry and kiss the feet of the devs of any game since then |
| [06:40:54] | iamlindoro: | The emphasis of this program is on QUALITY |
| [06:41:00] | SHADOW_V1: | :) |
| [06:41:03] | iamlindoro: | any MMO is off the list |
| [06:41:17] | SHADOW_V1: | that makes it that much more likely to happen |
| [06:41:17] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: The pain EQ induced was suitable for the most discriminating of masochists |
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| [06:43:24] | defaultro: | off topic question folks, i have a dish network 301 receiver that has been sitting in the basement for a long time. I tried it and it still works although it took me almost an hour to get the signal. Anyways, I would like to sell it on ebay. Is the card bound to my account before? |
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| [06:48:15] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, is this how you are going to school your children someday |
| [06:48:42] | iamlindoro: | I'm counting on them to be born with an innate genetic memory of this sort of thing |
| [06:48:56] | SHADOW_V1: | oh ok of course |
| [06:49:08] | SHADOW_V1: | sorry silly me |
| [06:50:01] | iamlindoro: | defaultro, yes, the card is bound to the activating account, you will need to call them |
| [06:50:46] | iamlindoro: | Not that that receiver will be much good to anyone as AFAIK it will only do MPEG-2, which little of Dish's worthwhile programming is any more AIUI |
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| [06:51:04] | iamlindoro: | And won't do their new modulation at all |
| [06:51:04] | defaultro: | iamlindoro, it was my receiver back in 2003. I am worried that when I sell it, what is going to happen to the card? Is dish network going to call me? |
| [06:51:20] | iamlindoro: | defaultro, You need to call Dish first to unbind the card if you intend to sell it |
| [06:51:28] | iamlindoro: | otherwise you are going to have an unhappy buyer |
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| [06:51:48] | iamlindoro: | which, as I explained, you will probably have anyway as those receivers are of limited use with current (and future) programming |
| [06:51:49] | defaultro: | so even if I am no longer a Dish Network subscriber, i still need to do that? |
| [06:52:01] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [06:52:03] | defaultro: | ok |
| [06:52:27] | defaultro: | i see that this 301 setup box is hot in ebay, not sure why |
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| [06:53:41] | iamlindoro: | looks like they're going for 20–30 dolalrs each |
| [06:53:46] | defaultro: | yep |
| [06:53:59] | defaultro: | not to bad at all instead of it collecting dust |
| [06:54:32] | SHADOW_V1: | aged dust is going for 5 dollars an ounce on ebay though |
| [06:54:40] | defaultro: | :D |
| [07:00:22] | iamlindoro: | Come to think of it, I don't think the infocom games would be as much fun without all the shwag |
| [07:00:52] | iamlindoro: | thos games used to come with TONS of novelty stuff in the box that actually made the game an experience (in addition to acting as copy protection) |
| [07:01:40] | iamlindoro: | like, if some adventurer had left a journal behind and your character had it at the start of the game, the box would come with the full, aged journal with tons of clues and background info |
| [07:02:05] | iamlindoro: | and more than just printed stuff--- sigh, now I'm gonna have to go check eBay |
| [07:02:44] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm that does kinda sound cool |
| [07:03:43] | kormoc: | It really was |
| [07:05:10] | iamlindoro: | Heh, postcards from outer space, coins (Zorkmids), cloth maps, all sorts of good stuff |
| [07:05:28] | iamlindoro: | Jeez, sealed original copies going for $130 |
| [07:06:07] | iamlindoro: | But some super cheap, too! $10 for cutthroats, sealed! |
| [07:07:08] | SHADOW_V1: | i wont even ask |
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| [07:07:54] | iamlindoro: | Just another infocom game |
| [07:08:05] | SHADOW_V1: | ah ok |
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| [07:08:58] | iamlindoro: | Heh, how's this for old, the games didn't include executable files |
| [07:09:02] | kormoc: | I wish I was rich enough to buy the rights to all the old games and give them to telltale... |
| [07:09:09] | iamlindoro: | you couldn't even put the disks in the drive and run them |
| [07:09:20] | iamlindoro: | nor could you read them |
| [07:09:29] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, so how did that work |
| [07:09:29] | iamlindoro: | you had to boot from them to play the game |
| [07:09:35] | SHADOW_V1: | oh wow |
| [07:09:44] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm i played monopoly on a tandy |
| [07:10:07] | SHADOW_V1: | and chess on a machine from that time period as well |
| [07:10:18] | SHADOW_V1: | but i am sure that isnt helping me right now |
| [07:10:25] | iamlindoro: | bully for you |
| [07:10:56] | iamlindoro: | Here's an example |
| [07:10:58] | iamlindoro: | http://cgi.ebay.com/PC-COMPUTER-GAME-MOONMIST . . . notsupported |
| [07:11:20] | iamlindoro: | Moonmist-- as I recall the game starts with you showing up because you've been called tot he house by some departed relative |
| [07:11:34] | SHADOW_V1: | thats interesting |
| [07:11:34] | iamlindoro: | so the game came with a handwritten letter to you, sealed in an envelope, from that relation |
| [07:11:47] | SHADOW_V1: | oh thats cool |
| [07:11:53] | SHADOW_V1: | kinda brings ideas to life |
| [07:11:58] | iamlindoro: | Except the letter was *actually handwritten* and totally set the tone for the game |
| [07:12:07] | SHADOW_V1: | wow nice |
| [07:12:24] | Dagmar: | Occasionally, this went hellishly wrong. |
| [07:12:38] | Dagmar: | "The Pawn" came with several things. Things which you were actually supposed to use in the game. |
| [07:12:46] | SHADOW_V1: | its seems like attention to detail is something that cant be compared to with todays games |
| [07:12:59] | Dagmar: | Except half the boxes didn't get all four things, and many got things which were *wrong* |
| [07:13:09] | Dagmar: | Like, I got a 6-sided die with a blank side |
| [07:13:20] | SHADOW_V1: | nice |
| [07:13:26] | Dagmar: | Not nice. |
| [07:13:33] | Dagmar: | It meant I actually couldn't complete the game |
| [07:13:38] | SHADOW_V1: | oh |
| [07:14:14] | Dagmar: | i took special pleasure in dismantling their code and reverse engineering it |
| [07:14:32] | SHADOW_V1: | where you able to finally beat the game |
| [07:17:30] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, So "Ask Me About Loom" is intact in the MI remake |
| [07:17:41] | iamlindoro: | which gives me hope for a loom remake |
| [07:17:48] | ** kormoc is happy ** | |
| [07:20:15] | iamlindoro: | Heh, I could get very carried away on eBay buying classic adventures |
| [07:20:45] | kormoc: | it's an investment! |
| [07:20:57] | iamlindoro: | a re-investment :) |
| [07:21:14] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, what did you do with your old ones |
| [07:21:17] | iamlindoro: | Hell, some of my classics *could* still be in my parent's shed |
| [07:21:34] | iamlindoro: | Probably the one and only thing I was meticulous about keeping as a kid, those games |
| [07:21:55] | Dagmar: | I had thousands of 3.5 and 5 in floppies. |
| [07:22:00] | Dagmar: | I was a bad man. |
| [07:23:19] | iamlindoro: | I still have most of the disks, but the printed material is either long gone or in my folk's shed |
| [07:23:21] | Dagmar: | I merrily destroyed all of it when I felt it was obsolete |
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| [07:23:48] | iamlindoro: | I'm not sure I follow the logic |
| [07:24:03] | Dagmar: | *THOUSANDS* of disks. |
| [07:24:23] | iamlindoro: | Those games aren't obsolete even now |
| [07:24:25] | Dagmar: | No way was I going to be toting those around with me the rest of my life. |
| [07:24:28] | iamlindoro: | hell, they're a lost art |
| [07:25:00] | kormoc: | but perhaps telltale will save us all! |
| [07:25:07] | kormoc: | and with that, to bed I go I go |
| [07:25:08] | iamlindoro: | one can hope |
| [07:25:28] | Dagmar: | Well, there's also that while some of them were incredibly, *most* of them were shit. |
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| [07:26:28] | Dagmar: | Although Little Computer People should be brought back as an MMO. |
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| [11:13:23] | at0m: | Dagmar: Little Computer People as in "Anthony Rother"? |
| [11:14:11] | at0m: | oh. google returns "The most boring, irritating en stupid game ever on the c64" |
| [11:14:36] | at0m: | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWpJ2n90xN4 for Anthony Rother's version :) |
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| [13:11:52] | jduggan: | dont suppose anyone here has built an atom 230 SD frontend? |
| [13:11:53] | jduggan: | :o |
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| [13:18:30] | gbee: | not 230, but I've a 270 which is pretty much the same thing |
| [13:19:19] | jduggan: | cool |
| [13:19:22] | gbee: | and I didn't build it ... it's a netbook |
| [13:19:28] | jduggan: | ah, same |
| [13:19:37] | jduggan: | i got the netbook, though didnt try myth on it yet |
| [13:19:42] | jduggan: | aa1 |
| [13:19:55] | jduggan: | i use vlc/mplayer on it without issue though |
| [13:20:04] | gbee: | ditto, you shouldn't have much problem with an SD frontend |
| [13:20:32] | jduggan: | i just got given a dvd formfactor case for $0 and a friend wants rid of his atom 230 for 25quid |
| [13:20:38] | jduggan: | so i think it'd make a good frontend |
| [13:21:19] | jduggan: | i just need a picopsu |
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| [13:23:46] | darkdrgn2k: | hey guys any one here use HDMI for 5.1 audio output? |
| [13:24:58] | nambo: | yeah, but not for myth |
| [13:25:00] | gbee: | just stereo atm |
| [13:25:04] | nambo: | to the tuner i use spdif |
| [13:25:13] | nambo: | toslink |
| [13:25:43] | gbee: | gold plated? :p |
| [13:25:47] | bunder: | got a split front/backend, and when i play back recordings, the video will play normally for a bit, then go into hyperspace, and then slow down then go back to normal, all the while the sound is normal... any ideas? |
| [13:25:51] | nambo: | gbee: fiber |
| [13:26:38] | gbee: | nambo: it's a joke, there are a few companies selling gold plated toslink cables .... |
| [13:27:03] | nambo: | desynched video/audio, usually thats a tuner issue or memory |
| [13:27:14] | nambo: | gbee: this thing you call a joke? i don't understand |
| [13:27:16] | nambo: | hehe :P |
| [13:27:30] | bunder: | can't be the tuner, it's pre-recorded |
| [13:27:33] | nambo: | i was not aware of that... gold plated toslink cables, damn |
| [13:27:38] | nambo: | must be pricey |
| [13:27:49] | nambo: | bunder: sure it can, if it recorded it that way |
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| [13:28:08] | xand: | try playing it outside mythtv |
| [13:28:11] | bunder: | it didn't... i can rewind it and it'll play back fine |
| [13:28:15] | xand: | e.g. mplayer |
| [13:28:18] | nambo: | actually, i think it might be gold plated |
| [13:28:19] | nambo: | heh |
| [13:28:21] | bunder: | it worked fine before i made the split |
| [13:28:39] | nambo: | you split the backend from the frontend? |
| [13:28:56] | bunder: | i'm thinking it's network related, but my lan is almost quiet |
| [13:29:00] | nambo: | what kind of switch do you have it hooked up to? |
| [13:29:05] | nambo: | bunder: has to be |
| [13:29:22] | gbee: | always makes me laugh – http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=35921 |
| [13:29:33] | bunder: | some POS belkin 100 switch, then a smoothwall router, then a dlink 100 switch |
| [13:29:34] | nambo: | if you're using a 10/100 switch, consider upgrading to a gigabit switch |
| [13:29:47] | nambo: | it'll probably fix the issue |
| [13:29:50] | gbee: | "Q- What is the benefit of the gold plating? – James Hadwen" "Answer- Gold plating gives a better connection." |
| [13:30:00] | nambo: | gbee: lower impedence |
| [13:30:02] | gbee: | ahh, pure comedy gold |
| [13:30:15] | bunder: | the backend is only pushing 300–400k/s |
| [13:30:21] | bunder: | which isn't a whole lot |
| [13:30:31] | bunder: | i've maxed out this lan plenty of times |
| [13:30:41] | nambo: | bunder: most likely due to the limitations in network hardware |
| [13:30:57] | nambo: | yeah, but streaming video takes up a lot more bw, especially higher the quality is |
| [13:31:57] | nambo: | and mythtv records in mpeg, unless you have it set to transcode to avi |
| [13:32:30] | bunder: | nope, plain cable to mpeg/mp3/nuv |
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| [13:32:38] | nambo: | how many hops is the backend from the frontend? |
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| [13:32:43] | bunder: | one |
| [13:32:49] | bunder: | the switches aren't managed |
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| [13:32:54] | nambo: | then upgrade the switch |
| [13:33:03] | nambo: | yeah, most lower end ones aren't |
| [13:33:27] | bunder: | give me a bit, i just noticed i had QOS enabled on the smoothwall |
| [13:33:36] | nambo: | newer linksys ones, you can upgrade with cisco firmware |
| [13:34:14] | nambo: | i doubt that's the issue, since it's within the lan |
| [13:34:53] | nambo: | well, it is non-managed, could be... but i doubt it |
| [13:45:53] | GreyFoxx: | ummmm gold plated TOSlink cable?!?!?! hahahahah some people will buy anything if you tell them it has gold in it :) |
| [13:46:07] | darkdrgn2k: | GreyFoxx: LMAO |
| [13:46:24] | darkdrgn2k: | GreyFoxx: i never understood the "QUALITY" aspect of a digital signal... |
| [13:47:36] | darkdrgn2k: | soo |
| [13:47:39] | darkdrgn2k: | hey guys any one here use HDMI for 5.1 audio output? |
| [13:49:44] | nambo: | grey: the gold is just on the connector tips |
| [13:50:08] | nambo: | those toslink cables are expensive as hell regardless, i think i paid like $40 for mine |
| [13:50:45] | nambo: | darkdrgn: not much to understand, you're asking about HDMI, and you can't understand "quality" of a digital signal |
| [13:50:47] | nambo: | come on |
| [13:50:48] | nambo: | hehe |
| [13:51:46] | GreyFoxx: | nambo: Yes, and gold on a FIBER cable is silly |
| [13:52:06] | GreyFoxx: | It's passing light not electrical signals |
| [13:52:24] | nambo: | true, but i don't make them |
| [13:52:46] | GreyFoxx: | It just amazes me that people fork over big bucks for "gold plated" cables so much |
| [13:52:47] | nambo: | it wasn't much gold, just a little on the tip |
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| [13:53:03] | GreyFoxx: | same as someone will gold plated composite cables and such |
| [13:53:05] | darkdrgn2k: | nambo: the point is... what good does it do |
| [13:53:17] | GreyFoxx: | I suppose, just like gold t eeth |
| [13:53:27] | GreyFoxx: | not much functional diff, just for looks and bragging |
| [13:53:44] | GreyFoxx: | my teeth are more expensive than YOUR teeth |
| [13:53:47] | nambo: | with composite it's a big different |
| [13:53:49] | darkdrgn2k: | GreyFoxx: curious.. does it actulay make a diff on analog signals? |
| [13:53:56] | nambo: | i don't understand why they would on toslink, like you |
| [13:54:05] | GreyFoxx: | darkdrgn2k: Only with REALLY high end sensitive equipment |
| [13:54:16] | GreyFoxx: | which frankly is not most people/gear |
| [13:54:19] | nambo: | but with electrical based signals it's for lower impedence |
| [13:56:16] | GreyFoxx: | yeah, and maybe if the entire cable was gold you might have something, but having a fraction of a millimeter of gold on the outer tips makes no functional diff for the majority of users. Only if you require the utmost high end gear will anyone noticed. Basically well beyond consumer grade stuff |
| [13:56:38] | nambo: | grey: hold on, i got something to show you |
| [13:56:41] | nambo: | you'll enjoy |
| [13:57:12] | nambo: | http://www.hifi-products.com/Transparent,Cabl . . . icFront.html |
| [13:57:22] | nambo: | the $33,000 speaker cable |
| [13:57:26] | nambo: | yes, it does exist |
| [13:57:27] | nambo: | heh |
| [13:58:30] | GreyFoxx: | hahahahaha |
| [13:58:37] | GreyFoxx: | sad |
| [13:58:38] | ddettman: | the other idea with gold plugs is that gold doesn't oxidize, so you never have to deal with rusty terminals. |
| [13:58:49] | nambo: | ddettman: yes that too |
| [13:58:54] | CyberKnet: | mumbo-jumbo mumbo-jumbo give us all your money now. |
| [13:59:15] | nambo: | well, most electronics has a level of precious and semi-precious metals in it |
| [13:59:19] | nambo: | for conductivity |
| [13:59:40] | nambo: | i had a buddy that used to remove gold from circuit boards |
| [13:59:47] | CyberKnet: | ddettman: I've never had a set of cables or display device long enough to get rust on the terminals. Things just aren't made that well any more, and get better too quickly to retain something any length of time any more. |
| [13:59:59] | nambo: | he could get an oz of pure gold out of about 12 old motherboards |
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| [14:00:45] | gbee: | hmm, noxious chemicals |
| [14:01:01] | nambo: | cyberknet: i like things that last forever... so i'm a sucker for that gold shit |
| [14:01:05] | CyberKnet: | noxious ... I thought the burning meant they were clearing my sinus? |
| [14:01:33] | nambo: | but to be fair, all the toslink cables at Micro Center were similarly priced, so it's not like i did bad |
| [14:01:34] | CyberKnet: | nambo: My point is that the TV won't last forever, the receiver won't last forever, so why worry about the cable "lasting forever"? |
| [14:01:34] | nambo: | heh |
| [14:01:52] | nambo: | gbee: yeah... it's very dangerous too |
| [14:02:02] | nambo: | guy ended up burning down his house, so go figure |
| [14:02:12] | CyberKnet: | People are lucky any more to get five or ten years out of their TV. |
| [14:02:35] | nambo: | cyberknet: i have the old tube tv my parents got when they got married |
| [14:02:38] | nambo: | before i was born |
| [14:02:40] | nambo: | i'm 33 now |
| [14:02:56] | nambo: | thing still works, great |
| [14:02:57] | CyberKnet: | Whether that is because a) The TV dies, or b) the technological standards proceed to the point that the set is so outdated as to be useless. |
| [14:03:47] | nambo: | my Vizio is holding up well, but i've only had it about 2 years |
| [14:05:47] | wagnerrp: | nambo: if you paid $40 for Toslink cables, you got taken |
| [14:06:13] | nambo: | wagnerrp: you do anytime you buy good cables from radio shack or micro center |
| [14:06:36] | wagnerrp: | define 'good' |
| [14:06:42] | nambo: | i wanted to get my tuner setup that day, not wait 3 days on newegg |
| [14:06:53] | wagnerrp: | ok, thats a good enough reason |
| [14:07:06] | CyberKnet: | nambo: you'd be better to wait 3 days on monoprice than 3 days on newegg |
| [14:07:17] | nambo: | good thick shielding, good connectors, usually gold plated tips |
| [14:07:38] | nambo: | toslink doesn't matter, i know, i'm speaking in general |
| [14:07:51] | nambo: | cyber: well... most things, newegg ftw |
| [14:08:06] | nambo: | microcenter actually beats them on harddrive prices |
| [14:08:22] | CyberKnet: | nambo: And monoprice beats them on cable prices. |
| [14:08:24] | wagnerrp: | maybe on their OEM bin drives |
| [14:08:40] | nambo: | yeah... but those used to be quality, before they switched to WD |
| [14:08:51] | nambo: | those Samsung OEMs were good drives |
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| [14:09:03] | CyberKnet: | and WD apparently is *not* a "good" drive? |
| [14:09:10] | nambo: | unless it's a Raptor |
| [14:09:15] | CyberKnet: | ugh. |
| [14:09:25] | nambo: | i've seen too many WD drives lately go bad |
| [14:09:29] | CyberKnet: | I suppose you'd like a Seagate 1tb drive? |
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| [14:09:36] | nambo: | and they only come with standard 1year warranties |
| [14:09:48] | nambo: | cyber: seagate fixed that issue you're going to talk about |
| [14:09:48] | wagnerrp: | well the OEM ones maybe |
| [14:10:01] | nambo: | seagate > WD any day of the week |
| [14:10:02] | CyberKnet: | nambo: I'm not going to talk about it. I'm pretty much done talking now. |
| [14:10:05] | wagnerrp: | i think all the major brands have 3–5yr warranties on their retail drives |
| [14:10:08] | CyberKnet: | nambo FTL. |
| [14:10:11] | nambo: | don't get mad about it |
| [14:10:11] | superdump: | is there any news on pulseaudio support? |
| [14:10:16] | nambo: | it's just my opinion |
| [14:10:39] | CyberKnet: | It sure is your opinion, and you are very much entitled to it. |
| [14:10:45] | wagnerrp: | ill agree with you on the samsungs |
| [14:10:48] | ** nambo turns on some Morrisey for CyberKnet ** | |
| [14:10:53] | nambo: | heh |
| [14:10:56] | CyberKnet: | I respect your right to choose. I also respectfully decline to discuss things further with you. |
| [14:11:00] | wagnerrp: | ive not yet had one fail, and theyre the coolest running drives i have |
| [14:11:10] | CyberKnet: | wagnerrp: no argument there. |
| [14:11:20] | nambo: | cyberknet: go breath in a bag, and come back after you calm down... heh |
| [14:11:30] | ** CyberKnet wonders who isn't calm. ** | |
| [14:11:38] | darkdrgn2k: | soo i guess no one used HDMI for audio :-S |
| [14:11:59] | wagnerrp: | my desktop is still running on a 5yr old 80GB samsung |
| [14:12:02] | nambo: | cyber: you're the one that can't talk about hds, i don't care if you agree with me or not |
| [14:12:05] | CyberKnet: | darkdrgn2k: Sure people do. |
| [14:12:18] | CyberKnet: | darkdrgn2k: I do without any issue. |
| [14:12:21] | nambo: | most techs perfer different kinds of hardware |
| [14:12:34] | darkdrgn2k: | CyberKnet: any idea on how to enable/test 5.1 passtrough? |
| [14:12:54] | wagnerrp: | darkdrgn2k: theres a couple howto's on the wiki |
| [14:13:01] | wagnerrp: | although ive not gotten it to work |
| [14:13:14] | CyberKnet: | No, sorry. I don't use that. No receiver for me yet. |
| [14:13:43] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: cause when i try with myth.. i get pulsaging staticy type thing. |
| [14:14:00] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: i got sterio working but :-S; |
| [14:14:33] | wagnerrp: | id like to use it, but its just not high priority for me to figure out |
| [14:14:48] | wagnerrp: | it just means one less cable (out of six) i have to run through the floor |
| [14:15:01] | wagnerrp: | running audio to a TV with a pair of 10W speakers |
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| [14:15:30] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh i only have an optical out on the board :-S and its not on (dam drivers) |
| [14:15:31] | nambo: | darkdrgn2k: how are you connecting your myth box to the tuner? video card with hdmi out or something? |
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| [14:15:44] | darkdrgn2k: | nambo: mobo with hdmi out... |
| [14:16:29] | darkdrgn2k: | nambo: have a bunch of DVDs on an hd (ezer then swiching dvds all the time) |
| [14:16:40] | nambo: | hmm, i know there's issues with onboard spdif outs and tuners, wondering if the same is true for hdmi |
| [14:16:40] | darkdrgn2k: | nambo: my stero works but im not sure if sorround works |
| [14:16:47] | nambo: | with static |
| [14:17:05] | juski: | wth? |
| [14:17:06] | darkdrgn2k: | nambo: well the "Static" i think is a problem because the receive still thinks the signal is "PCM" |
| [14:17:19] | CyberKnet: | juski: It's better if you just leave it alone. |
| [14:17:30] | juski: | CyberKnet: doubt that very much |
| [14:17:32] | nambo: | darkdrgn: can't you switch that on the tuner? |
| [14:17:40] | nambo: | i know i can on mine |
| [14:17:40] | darkdrgn2k: | tuner? |
| [14:17:44] | darkdrgn2k: | you mean receiver? |
| [14:17:48] | nambo: | yeah |
| [14:17:49] | CyberKnet: | juski: *shrug* |
| [14:18:04] | juski: | static on digital audio is generally due to misconfiguration of the software playing back the audio |
| [14:18:05] | wagnerrp: | nambo: the receiver is supposed to auto-detect what it's being sent |
| [14:18:24] | juski: | or misconfiguring AC3/DTS to be passed through to the wrong device |
| [14:19:16] | nambo: | i'm glad i went the route i did, it was very easy and works flawlessly |
| [14:19:17] | darkdrgn2k: | thing is i trie d" speaker-test -Dplug:hdmi -c6" |
| [14:19:24] | CyberKnet: | juski: I wasn't referring to the static. nvr mnd. |
| [14:19:28] | nambo: | but i didn't use the onboard spdif due to poor support and static |
| [14:19:28] | darkdrgn2k: | and i onyl get output on left and right front |
| [14:19:38] | wagnerrp: | looks like the LHC gets turned on next october... i get to see another birthday! |
| [14:19:38] | juski: | my FE is configured to output analogue AND digital at the same time, but DTS/AC3 was supposed to be put right through to SPDIF. But, rather than getting *nothing* out of analogue while playing AC3/DTS I got SCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| [14:20:06] | nambo: | there's a minor voltage difference between the pci bus and onboard devices, which sometimes can screw things up |
| [14:20:27] | juski: | wtf are you talking about? |
| [14:20:28] | wagnerrp: | no, its because youre pumping encoded audio through the analog output |
| [14:20:37] | juski: | bad decoupling :) |
| [14:20:41] | juski: | bad hardware design |
| [14:20:45] | nambo: | juski: he's using a onboard hdmi |
| [14:20:46] | juski: | poor analogue design |
| [14:20:50] | nambo: | yep |
| [14:20:53] | wagnerrp: | digital audio sounds indistinguishable from static |
| [14:21:03] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: thats what i figued... |
| [14:21:15] | darkdrgn2k: | see the thing is |
| [14:21:15] | nambo: | well, didgital should filter more noise out in a signal |
| [14:21:21] | nambo: | digital* |
| [14:21:24] | darkdrgn2k: | im running HDMI to the TV and Optical OUT from TV to Receiver |
| [14:21:28] | juski: | yeah putting digital – e.g. DTS or AC3 & piping them to analogue audio sounds like really loud white noise |
| [14:21:30] | wagnerrp: | the digital should have NO NOISE in the signal |
| [14:21:33] | wagnerrp: | its a digital signal |
| [14:21:42] | wagnerrp: | you get the original source, or you get garbage |
| [14:21:53] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: yeh but playing DIGITAL as ANALOG creates static like behaviour |
| [14:22:01] | juski: | so in your case it's probably that the stream is being messed up big style, somehow |
| [14:22:26] | nambo: | wagnerrp: that's not always true, noise can easily distort a digital signal |
| [14:22:33] | nambo: | make a 0 into a 1 |
| [14:22:35] | juski: | oh come on |
| [14:22:43] | juski: | it'd mean a brief blip |
| [14:22:52] | nambo: | it's all modulated on a analog sine wave |
| [14:22:52] | darkdrgn2k: | nambo: yeh it would not be "Static" |
| [14:22:52] | juski: | not a continuous rush of crap |
| [14:22:52] | laga: | if there is no error correction ;) |
| [14:23:16] | nambo: | laga: touche |
| [14:23:18] | wagnerrp: | nambo: you dont get 'noise', you get garbage |
| [14:23:26] | wagnerrp: | it sounds nothing like analog noise |
| [14:23:26] | juski: | I think the problem is the definition of 'static' |
| [14:23:35] | darkdrgn2k: | white noise |
| [14:23:47] | darkdrgn2k: | or pink noise i guess |
| [14:23:50] | juski: | pulsey or continuous? ;-) |
| [14:24:16] | juski: | intermittent, the odd click here & there or a steady stream of very loud mush? ;-) |
| [14:24:28] | darkdrgn2k: | *sigh* |
| [14:24:38] | darkdrgn2k: | this is correct right? |
| [14:24:39] | darkdrgn2k: | speaker-test -Dplug:hdmi -c6 |
| [14:24:51] | juski: | like when retarded people say the video playback 'lags'. Lags what?! |
| [14:24:57] | nambo: | heh |
| [14:25:15] | nambo: | juski: i don't think he realizes the difference |
| [14:26:04] | juski: | anyway, I suspect something is misconfigured & whatever is getting the audio doesn't know what to do with it |
| [14:26:07] | darkdrgn2k: | (wow 2.2 has a REALLY nice theme out... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Theme_Terra) |
| [14:26:15] | juski: | 2.2? |
| [14:26:18] | juski: | there is no 2.2 |
| [14:26:18] | darkdrgn2k: | soryr |
| [14:26:19] | darkdrgn2k: | .22 |
| [14:26:24] | darkdrgn2k: | . in the wrong place :-S |
| [14:26:26] | juski: | not that there's even a 2.2 |
| [14:26:31] | juski: | er 0.22 yet |
| [14:26:31] | wagnerrp: | there is no .22 |
| [14:26:41] | darkdrgn2k: | fine Trunk |
| [14:26:47] | wagnerrp: | and terra is an unfinished theme |
| [14:27:00] | darkdrgn2k: | 1) wiki states Release Notes – 0.22 |
| [14:27:03] | juski: | no theme is ever finished :-P |
| [14:27:04] | wagnerrp: | theres large chunks of screens that are left unthemed |
| [14:27:17] | darkdrgn2k: | Second "New Default Theme: Terra" |
| [14:27:24] | darkdrgn2k: | i didnt say it was Finished. i just said it looks good |
| [14:27:24] | wagnerrp: | well, lets say unfinished to the point of things being broken |
| [14:27:40] | wagnerrp: | for instance, the whole schedule recordings block of screens |
| [14:27:42] | ** juski whistles & moves away ** | |
| [14:27:55] | darkdrgn2k: | juski: LoL.. |
| [14:28:04] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: just looking for a reason to go bleeding edge.. thast all |
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| [14:28:39] | darkdrgn2k: | and YES i do like walking in shoes that periodically blow up! |
| [14:28:43] | wagnerrp: | although i admit, ive been using it for several months |
| [14:28:58] | wagnerrp: | most of the missing stuff i would already use in mythweb anyway |
| [14:29:19] | darkdrgn2k: | i just record, watch recordings and watch videos on my mythweb FE |
| [14:29:20] | wagnerrp: | or are things for the extra 'information' plugins |
| [14:29:26] | juski: | not really looking forward to 0.22 for any particular feature, personally. unless I can sort out the things I want to change |
| [14:30:58] | darkdrgn2k: | has the protocl changed in mythtv much in .22 |
| [14:31:15] | juski: | the ver. has been bumped a couple of times at least |
| [14:31:30] | juski: | new storage groups for stuff.. that'll be a boon |
| [14:31:35] | darkdrgn2k: | juski: but nothign major right? |
| [14:31:46] | darkdrgn2k: | IE: will an old clien t still work with it? |
| [14:31:49] | juski: | video SGs & stuff |
| [14:31:52] | juski: | no |
| [14:31:53] | juski: | NO |
| [14:31:56] | darkdrgn2k: | dam |
| [14:31:59] | juski: | and thrice *NO* |
| [14:32:01] | darkdrgn2k: | i use mythtv player for my windows box :-S |
| [14:32:06] | juski: | awwww |
| [14:32:15] | wagnerrp: | the mythtv player doesnt even work with the current release |
| [14:32:17] | darkdrgn2k: | (i said i like walking in exploding shoes didn i) |
| [14:32:24] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp:ummm yeh it does ??? |
| [14:32:31] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp:even live tv.. works.. kinda |
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| [14:32:54] | wagnerrp: | the author recompiled it, taking out the protocol and schema checks |
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| [14:33:05] | wagnerrp: | its still built to run against a 0.20 backend |
| [14:33:10] | juski: | well, at least XBMC – even if it doesn't actually *play* recordings from my backend – doesn't take the backend down :) |
| [14:33:16] | darkdrgn2k: | wagnerrp: no... you jsut change the max protocol v in the ini file :) |
| [14:33:40] | darkdrgn2k: | juskiL and i never seen my backend crash using mythtv player,,, |
| [14:33:57] | juski: | first & last time I ever tried it, it crashed my backend |
| [14:34:16] | darkdrgn2k: | juski: **Srhug** i just like throwing it on my 2nd monitor when i play wow! |
| [14:34:30] | juski: | why don't you go play WoW now? :-P |
| [14:34:43] | juski: | or just do that all your waking hours.. :) |
| [14:34:44] | darkdrgn2k: | juski: cause i actualy HAVE stuff to do..... |
| [14:34:52] | darkdrgn2k: | juski: :( but if you dont want me here... **SNIFF** |
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| [14:35:12] | juski: | WoW must be awfully fascinating if you get the urge to watch teevee while playing :P |
| [14:35:23] | darkdrgn2k: | juski: ooo its not :-P |
| [14:35:32] | juski: | so why play then? |
| [14:35:40] | wagnerrp: | i seem to be covered in bug bites |
| [14:35:45] | darkdrgn2k: | juski: you know what.. thats a very good questsions.... |
| [14:35:58] | juski: | never understand peeps who use TV as background noise.. just think it's weird |
| [14:36:04] | darkdrgn2k: | juski: to be honest.. i dont know... irocnically its the ONLY game i actualy play... |
| [14:36:16] | darkdrgn2k: | juski: i dont know i like it as background noise.. especialy when programming... |
| [14:36:17] | juski: | heh |
| [14:36:18] | laga: | breathing is the only game i actually play |
| [14:36:41] | darkdrgn2k: | laga: you should try Eating to.. thats a good game! |
| [14:36:41] | juski: | well, time for me to play the driving game they call 'Going Home 4T' |
| [14:36:50] | darkdrgn2k: | hmmm teee... |
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| [14:48:47] | c_plus_plus: | Hello, my Idle shutdown timeout is malfunctioning. Here is the tail of my log file :http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1469922 notice the idle notification states shutdown will occur in 300 seconds, but It actually occurs in 4. This used to work, but I have done several things since then including moving partitions around. Any Idea what could cause this problem |
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| [15:04:21] | c_plus_plus: | I've tried changing the value of the idle timeout to see if that fixes things. I'll try restarting and see if it works any better. |
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| [15:04:51] | th1: | is this patch of framerate matching from Avenard or similar supported in trunk? http://www.avenard.org/media/Patches_%26_Add- . . . support.html |
| [15:05:17] | JYA: | I need to update the one in trac |
| [15:05:34] | JYA: | it won't compile following the move of opengl and vdpau to their own framework |
| [15:05:47] | th1: | ok. will this make it harder to maintain the 0.21 backport? |
| [15:06:00] | JYA: | why? |
| [15:06:27] | JYA: | i won't backport those changes, if you want them you need to run trunk ;-) |
| [15:06:31] | th1: | if vdpau and opengl support in trunk moved to a new framework presumably it would be harder to backport :) |
| [15:06:32] | th1: | ok |
| [15:06:53] | th1: | but you can still backport bugfixes? |
| [15:07:16] | th1: | I started to use the framerate settings yesterday, and it makes a huge improvement |
| [15:07:42] | JYA: | trunk adds support should the vdpau playback fail for one reason or another... I've never seen it happening for me... so while an improvement, it may not affect everyone |
| [15:07:44] | th1: | especially for "scrolling" e.g. on credits and news updates on news channels etc. |
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| [15:08:28] | th1: | often when watching satellite TV it will hang for some time then show "Error displaying video", presumably because of bit errors |
| [15:08:40] | th1: | but I guess it is VDPAU not your patch |
| [15:09:02] | JYA: | there's too it... trunk can fallback to software decoding on the fly |
| [15:09:07] | JYA: | the backport can't |
| [15:09:21] | th1: | but I can't watch HD channels in software decoding anyway so it doesn't matter for me |
| [15:09:29] | th1: | because my CPU is not fast enough |
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| [15:10:31] | JYA: | i've worked on a new mod which has removed most error displaying video for me ... |
| [15:10:39] | JYA: | you can try moving to trunk though |
| [15:11:07] | th1: | I know that trunk has big problems with Live TV support at the moment and WAF dictates that LiveTV works |
| [15:11:27] | th1: | but if you have a mod for fixing the "error displaying video" I would like to try it :) |
| [15:12:07] | tmkt: | th1 I was having issues with HD channels |
| [15:12:15] | tmkt: | and it seems to be because my card is PCI |
| [15:12:20] | tmkt: | so getting PCI-e tonight |
| [15:12:31] | th1: | tmkt, mine is 9400GT pci-e |
| [15:12:37] | wagnerrp: | livetv works fine for me... but then i pretty much only use it to make sure tuners work after tinkering with something |
| [15:12:45] | JYA: | I've seen many problems with trunk, but LiveTV wasn't one of them |
| [15:12:48] | wagnerrp: | dont use it for more than a minute or two |
| [15:13:02] | JYA: | it has worked well for me |
| [15:14:27] | tmkt: | ah |
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| [15:14:48] | c_plus_plus: | No luck. |
| [15:15:03] | th1: | I prefer to use your 0.21 packages for my frontend because I don't have to touch my backends and they are frequently updated and easy to install. one day when I have time I will try with trunk, but it's a big project for me |
| [15:15:30] | th1: | because I have 2 backends and 2 frontends and outage by more than a few hours is not good for WAF |
| [15:15:54] | JYA: | ok |
| [15:16:18] | th1: | I guess one day there will be a 0.22 release ;) |
| [15:17:07] | JYA: | don't mention here you're using my packages , or you'll get in trouble :) |
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| [15:32:06] | th1: | JYA, what is the mod to remove error displaying video? have you made a package with it? |
| [15:32:20] | JYA: | not yet |
| [15:32:31] | JYA: | and it doesn't remove the error... |
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| [15:33:19] | JYA: | if you can provides me a sample and some logs with -v playback,audio |
| [15:35:01] | JYA: | which distrib are you running ? |
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| [15:36:30] | th1: | ubuntu 9.04 |
| [15:36:35] | darkdrgn2k: | Any one know what the best format to store a DVD movie in is? |
| [15:36:42] | th1: | I'm not sure how to get samples but I can do the logs |
| [15:36:53] | th1: | it only happens on live tv typically just after changing channel |
| [15:37:07] | th1: | recorded programmes never show this issue |
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| [15:37:42] | JYA: | ok ... good to know... I'm hoping those changes will fix that |
| [15:37:44] | th1: | darkdrgn2k, it doesn't really matter mythtv will play .iso, .img and VIDEO_TS directory |
| [15:37:46] | JYA: | I'm compiling now |
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| [15:38:15] | th1: | JYA, sounds great I can try it in a couple of hours when I get back from work |
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| [15:38:47] | JYA: | will take more than 2 hours... I have almost 1GB of packages to upload, and I only have 1Mbit/s line upstream |
| [15:39:11] | th1: | darkdrgn2k, personally I prefer .iso images because they are a single file and they work on most players incl. in windows (with virtual clonedrive or daemontools) |
| [15:39:34] | th1: | jya, ok I will try when they are ready then |
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| [15:40:05] | JYA: | email me at jyavenard@gmail.com to send you the instructions, I won't be releasing them publicly yet |
| [15:41:37] | th1: | ok done |
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| [15:43:42] | th1: | sometimes the playback hangs for a while and it prints thousand of messages like this in the log: "2009-06–21 23:19:02.730 [h264 @ 0xb72a3784]number of reference frames exceeds max (probably corrupt input), discarding one" |
| [15:44:21] | th1: | then sometimes it hangs forever (until killall mythfrontend.real), sometimes it starts playing fine, and sometimes it shows "error displaying video" and returns to the main menu. |
| [15:44:30] | th1: | this is usually when I switch to an HD channel.. |
| [15:45:41] | tmkt: | mythtv does rock |
| [15:45:52] | tmkt: | anxious for the new video card tonight |
| [15:46:11] | th1: | which new card have you ordered? |
| [15:46:43] | tmkt: | going to pick up the 9600 tonight |
| [15:46:48] | tmkt: | have the 6200 PCI |
| [15:47:07] | tmkt: | and performance is pretty bad on HD unless I enable xvmc |
| [15:47:12] | tmkt: | which causes a bunch of other issues |
| [15:47:29] | th1: | I think 9600 can do the best deinterlace on 1080i |
| [15:47:41] | th1: | my 9400gt can only do the temporal on that res |
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| [15:48:06] | th1: | I wish I could get a 9600 with passive cooling |
| [15:48:24] | tmkt: | good good, probably could upgrade to 9.04 also...had to stick with 8.10 to not have freeze ups |
| [15:48:41] | tmkt: | so fanless? |
| [15:49:53] | tmkt: | guess the less fans in there...the quieter |
| [15:50:18] | th1: | yeah and more reliable too :) |
| [15:51:09] | th1: | but even the temporal interlacer is better than my TV's deinterlace by far |
| [15:51:15] | tmkt: | so much to think about when building your own box |
| [15:51:16] | th1: | so I am happy with 9400gt |
| [15:51:24] | th1: | yes |
| [15:51:25] | tmkt: | my last 5 computers have all been laptops |
| [15:51:34] | th1: | I have 2 backend servers and a frotnend |
| [15:51:39] | tmkt: | but now with the htpc setup – first computer I've built for myself in years |
| [15:51:39] | th1: | the frontend is diskless and boots via nfs |
| [15:51:47] | tmkt: | hmm |
| [15:51:53] | tmkt: | going to have to look into that soon |
| [15:52:07] | tmkt: | my current laptop, everytime I boot it, it tells me the HD is going to die any day now |
| [15:52:28] | tmkt: | so was planning on using livecd ubuntu and connecting to backend for home folder storage stuff |
| [15:53:06] | th1: | livecd is slow. I have a laptop with 8GB microSD card in a USB card reader, it works great. |
| [15:53:21] | th1: | will set you back $15 or so |
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| [15:55:00] | tmkt: | usb stick instead of livecd |
| [15:55:11] | tmkt: | ouch..70$ for regular 9600 |
| [15:55:15] | tmkt: | 185 for passive cooling |
| [15:55:34] | JYA: | the 9500GT will do all deinterlacing option with vdpau and is available with passive cooling |
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| [15:58:02] | tmkt: | so this guy? |
| [15:58:03] | tmkt: | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=3669 |
| [16:00:18] | th1: | or PALIT one for £36 |
| [16:00:36] | th1: | http://www.ginger6.com/components-video-cards . . . p-31664.html |
| [16:00:37] | th1: | 1 gb.. |
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| [16:00:41] | th1: | the other has 512 |
| [16:00:41] | tmkt: | so..you'd recommend the 9500 without fan over the 9600 with fan |
| [16:01:01] | th1: | I read in some forums that 512mb is not enough for some vdpau |
| [16:01:16] | tmkt: | yeah..the one I pasted was 1gig Sparkle GeForce 9500 GT Video Card – 1GB DDR2, PCI Express 2.0, (2) Dual-Link DVI, SLI Ready, HDTV, S-Video, Composite Support |
| [16:01:25] | JYA: | my 8600GT with 256MB plays everything perfectly |
| [16:01:44] | JYA: | used to be an issue with earlier nvidia drivers, not anymore |
| [16:02:05] | th1: | well the 185 drivers are at least crap |
| [16:02:40] | wagnerrp: | ive heard of problems with the 256MB cards, but not 512 |
| [16:02:46] | th1: | ok |
| [16:02:58] | th1: | but when the 1GB card costs the same I guess it is better regardless |
| [16:03:16] | wagnerrp: | and i thought it was just a problem with the mythtv implementation, not actually a limitation of vdpau |
| [16:03:32] | wagnerrp: | a 1GB card is just going to consume more power to no advantage |
| [16:03:52] | tmkt: | so...for 12$ less I can get a fanless 9500 512mb |
| [16:04:09] | th1: | wagnerrp, what when vdpau supports multiple stream decoding.. 1GB sounds more future proof |
| [16:04:52] | wagnerrp: | does it support multiple stream decoding? |
| [16:05:00] | th1: | in fact I read that VDPAU caused the live picture to go away from the Program Guide beacuse it didn't support multiple stream decoding. |
| [16:05:13] | th1: | but still "picture in picture" works so I don't really get it. |
| [16:05:27] | iamlindoro: | The reason live preview went away has nothing to do with VDPAU |
| [16:05:33] | iamlindoro: | at least, not in trunk |
| [16:05:39] | JYA: | this is a limitation of the code in mythtv |
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| [16:05:50] | th1: | ok |
| [16:05:58] | th1: | then I misread something |
| [16:06:01] | tmkt: | so...should I get the 512 or 1mb for 12$ difference |
| [16:06:01] | JYA: | "The reason live preview went away has nothing to do with VDPAU" it has everything to do with vdpau, same problem with opengl |
| [16:06:11] | iamlindoro: | No, it doesn't. |
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| [16:06:54] | iamlindoro: | It has everything to do with the MythUI coversion of the PBB. |
| [16:06:57] | ** squidly waves ** | |
| [16:07:14] | iamlindoro: | And it'll be back when the MythUI video widget is done |
| [16:07:53] | wagnerrp: | anyway, 512MB vs. 1GB has no bearing on mythtv, unless you expect someone to start porting stuff to CUDA |
| [16:08:03] | tmkt: | any plans of adding widgets to mythtv – so it can operate like the new samsung tvs? |
| [16:08:33] | wagnerrp: | in which case 1GB cant hurt, but youre still dealing with stream processing, so theres not really need for a large cache on the card |
| [16:08:40] | iamlindoro: | Ah, we may be speaking of different live previews, actually |
| [16:08:50] | JYA: | iamlindoro: there's more than that with opengl/vdpau ; opengl had it disabled to way before the conversion to mythui |
| [16:08:52] | iamlindoro: | I was speaking of the PBB one, seems you might mean the EPG one |
| [16:08:58] | SHADOW_V1: | dont reveal my secret cuda project wagnerrp cmon it was a secret i told you in confidence |
| [16:08:59] | iamlindoro: | in which case, we are both right |
| [16:09:00] | JYA: | the one in the EPG |
| [16:09:05] | th1: | ok |
| [16:09:10] | th1: | so they are different? |
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| [16:09:18] | JYA: | which other preview are you talking about ? |
| [16:09:19] | iamlindoro: | yes, they are different |
| [16:09:28] | iamlindoro: | Preview of recordings in the PBB |
| [16:10:03] | JYA: | as he's using 0.21, those are still there... |
| [16:10:05] | tmkt: | so no real advantage of the 1gig or 512mb... |
| [16:10:18] | tmkt: | 9500 fanless or 9600 w/fan |
| [16:10:28] | iamlindoro: | If he's using .21, then discussion of VDPAU is moot in this channel anyway |
| [16:10:45] | JYA: | could have been talking about opengl :) |
| [16:10:56] | iamlindoro: | But wasn't |
| [16:11:04] | iamlindoro: | go start your own channel if you want to talk about your stuff |
| [16:11:08] | JYA: | and the preview in the recording, doesn't use VDPAU anyway |
| [16:11:23] | iamlindoro: | Here I was presuming we were talking about actual mythtv |
| [16:12:03] | JYA: | say he was using trunk, your answer would have been incorrect anyway. As the preview in the recordings never used vdpau regardless |
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| [16:12:34] | iamlindoro: | My answer *wasn't* incorrect, as I was speaking of previews of recordings, which went away for reasons having nothing to do with VDPAU |
| [16:12:38] | iamlindoro: | which is exactly what I said |
| [16:12:49] | th1: | is preview in recordings missing in trunk? |
| [16:12:55] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [16:13:00] | JYA: | which was irrelevant to his question ... |
| [16:13:24] | iamlindoro: | Just as discussion of VDPAU in .21 is irrelevant to MythTV |
| [16:13:34] | JYA: | you wrote: "The reason live preview went away has nothing to do with VDPAU" |
| [16:13:48] | iamlindoro: | Yes, and I misunderstood which he meant |
| [16:13:56] | JYA: | the preview in the recording, is certainly not "live" |
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| [16:14:38] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [16:14:44] | th1: | in any case it says under MythTV wiki's VDPAU page, "What doesn't work": Live TV with EPG (due to VDPAU not yet being able to decode more than one stream at once) |
| [16:15:16] | iamlindoro: | Yes, the preview in the EPG being disabled is renderer related |
| [16:15:31] | th1: | iamlindoro, but then what I don't understand is how come Picture In Picture still works from LiveTV? |
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| [16:15:41] | SHADOW_V1: | i get what your saying iamlindoro just so you know someone does |
| [16:16:07] | iamlindoro: | th1: PiP works in VDPAU by starting the second playback w/ the software decoder |
| [16:16:15] | th1: | ok.. |
| [16:16:22] | iamlindoro: | th1: The live TV Preview is undoubtedly fixable, just hasn't been yet |
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| [16:16:47] | iamlindoro: | In fact, recent changes mark made for VDPAU and MHEG mean it's probably a very simple fix at this point |
| [16:16:50] | th1: | fixable from resizing the vdpau to occupy the square where the live view should be I guess |
| [16:17:00] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [16:17:28] | th1: | ok I was just confused from the wiki statement |
| [16:18:06] | JYA: | currently, live preview doesn't resize the existing video, but instead open a new stream... so the statement in the wiki is still valid ... |
| [16:18:19] | th1: | ok |
| [16:18:49] | JYA: | but as said above, the work by mark_k will make this irrelevant as you'll be able to change decoder on the fly should on fail |
| [16:19:14] | th1: | except if only vdpau is fast enough it won't help |
| [16:20:35] | th1: | with CPU only I could never watch HD on that frontend.. and I guess many will be building atom- or celeron-m based frontends and rely on vdpau for decoding all video even SD |
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| [16:33:21] | superdug: | the dual proc atoms with nvidia's ion should make a pretty killer frontend |
| [16:33:37] | juski: | assuming VDPAU doesn't absolutely suck like xvmc does of course |
| [16:33:56] | juski: | which, in an ideal world it won't |
| [16:34:40] | GreyFoxx: | I've been using VDPAU for a month now (mostly by accident) and it's been very solid |
| [16:34:44] | juski: | but if any of your streams are corrupted slightly it'll throw vdpau decoding curves that software decoders can cope with without flinching |
| [16:35:15] | SHADOW_V1: | GreyFoxx, can you please elaborate mostly by accident |
| [16:35:29] | juski: | might improve over time. it's all still in beta don't forget |
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| [16:35:53] | th1: | juski, for me VDPAU actually plays some files where mplayer's standard decoder didn't. |
| [16:36:03] | juski: | but then even other HW decoders were prone to vomit with corrupted streams |
| [16:36:05] | juski: | YMMV |
| [16:36:07] | th1: | but with 185 drivers it crashed the box hard |
| [16:36:13] | GreyFoxx: | SHADOW_V1: I turned it on to test a patch, and forgot to turn it back off. So for almost a month I thought I was using software decoing when for all my h264/mpeg2 content I was using vdpau |
| [16:36:27] | SHADOW_V1: | ah ok |
| [16:36:29] | GreyFoxx: | it wasn't until I was poking around in my playback profile I realized I was still using it |
| [16:36:38] | juski: | wonder what the difference in heat output is between CPU/GPU decoding |
| [16:36:47] | GreyFoxx: | so I was happily shocked that it hadn't broken in some way to make me notice before |
| [16:36:50] | SHADOW_V1: | my concerern is sometimes i have stream errors and vdpau will not like that |
| [16:36:53] | juski: | that might be crucial for me |
| [16:37:16] | JYA: | juski: were di you see it was in beta? that's two lines of nvidia driver now that have been declared stable with vdpau (180.x and 185.x) |
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| [16:38:00] | juski: | not been following it intently on account of not caring much ;-) |
| [16:38:00] | GreyFoxx: | SHADOW_V1: I can't say, but it's handled all my recordings and ripped DVD's without a a glitche for a month so it's quite stable |
| [16:38:03] | GreyFoxx: | YMMV |
| [16:38:10] | SHADOW_V1: | yeah |
| [16:38:38] | GreyFoxx: | That's PVR recordings, firewire recordings, a few QAM recordings, and a wack of h264 mkv ripped dvd's |
| [16:38:50] | jams: | GreyFoxx- was that before or after the patch that allows it to fallback on software decoding? |
| [16:39:01] | superdug: | Where might one find the error log from mythtranscode? |
| [16:39:26] | th1: | jams, is it possible to disable the fallback? |
| [16:39:33] | jams: | th1- don't know |
| [16:39:39] | juski: | superdug: not that error '214' will mean much. nor error '225' |
| [16:39:41] | GreyFoxx: | dunno. It's of course falls back for xvid and other stuff, but if it's done anything while watching one og the blessed codecs I wouldn't have known |
| [16:40:24] | GreyFoxx: | and I've been using the VDPAU video renderer exclusivly since last xmas when it was added |
| [16:40:28] | GreyFoxx: | the output is much better |
| [16:40:31] | juski: | superdug: most you really get from transcode fail logs is a code you have to dig in the source to calculate :( |
| [16:40:32] | GreyFoxx: | imho |
| [16:40:32] | jams: | i guess either way it's good news. Either vdpau was stable, or the fallback worked as planned |
| [16:40:39] | GreyFoxx: | yeah |
| [16:40:52] | GreyFoxx: | ugh work calls |
| [16:41:00] | th1: | particularly the vdpau interlacer is much better |
| [16:41:11] | juski: | superdug: most common error is that folks haven't defined/edited transcoding profiles |
| [16:41:39] | juski: | superdug: leave it on defaults – i.e. don't set up the profile(s) & it'll fail every time |
| [16:42:44] | superdug: | juski: yeah, I'm not getting an error code, because it's a mac .app :-) which doesn't actually translate STERR or STDOUT to the popup ... just says "quit unexpectedly" |
| [16:43:29] | juski: | possibly better off a) getting a bigger disk or b) using nuvexport |
| [16:43:53] | juski: | you're not one of those file hoarders are you? :-P |
| [16:44:04] | superdug: | juski: I'm mpeg-4 encoding a 5 gig basefile with 100 gigs free |
| [16:44:23] | superdug: | 2200 bitrate, tried it with scaling and without, disabled the motion sensing, enabled it ... |
| [16:44:33] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: I read on the channel log that you are looking for a lossless edit method for HD-PVR recordings (e.g. True Blood). The process I use with 720p recordings has gotten near perfect over the few months since I last wrote of it. Any issues I still have are always traceable to original source transmission issues. See: http://pastebin.ca/1470021 |
| [16:45:05] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: threads doesn't work/do anything with a stream copy :) |
| [16:45:07] | juski: | superdug: preaching to the converted I'm afraid. I don't care for transcoding |
| [16:45:59] | RDV_Linux: | iamlindoro: Sorry threads? I must have missed something. |
| [16:46:10] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: ffmpeg -threads 2 -v 1 -i "$1" -vcodec copy -acodec copy -y "$name.mkv" |
| [16:46:32] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: need only be ffmpeg -v 1 -i "$1" -vcodec copy -acodec copy -y "$name.mkv" |
| [16:46:37] | RDV_Linux: | Yea I just failed to remove it as it had no ill effect. |
| [16:46:39] | iamlindoro: | and really, even the -y isn't necessary |
| [16:47:03] | superdug: | juski: it's not a big deal, but if there was a place in the database or what-have-you to see the err log, I'd like to take a peak at it |
| [16:47:30] | juski: | superdug: if mythbackend runs it you'd see it in the backend log AFAIK |
| [16:47:30] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: But anyway, last time I worked with AVIDemux the audio sync was still an issue (versus dd'ing out the bytes is always correct)), but I can try an updated copy |
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| [16:47:47] | juski: | superdug: otherwise STDOUT, but maybe it has an option to dump to a file |
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| [16:47:54] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: My comments were more about expanding mythtranscode's lossless cut to simplify the process |
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| [16:48:32] | RDV_Linux: | The only real change in Avidemux over the last several month is with it not loosing audio sync between cuts. |
| [16:48:41] | iamlindoro: | RDV_Linux: thanks or the info, though, I'll play with a new version :) |
| [16:48:49] | RDV_Linux: | np |
| [16:48:50] | iamlindoro: | If they've fixed the audio sync thing, that's awesome |
| [16:49:16] | juski: | heh. mythtranscode -v help lists every myth* verbosity options |
| [16:49:53] | RDV_Linux: | I used to always have to make some audio adjustment (~350ms) but that has not been necessary for months now, |
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| [16:55:04] | pak0: | hi all people good afternoong |
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| [16:55:28] | pak0: | i want to test 0.22, its possible? |
| [16:55:58] | iamlindoro: | That depends heavily on you :) |
| [16:56:08] | iamlindoro: | But the code that will become .22 is available |
| [16:58:47] | pak0: | i want to test it |
| [16:58:52] | pak0: | i`m bored :P |
| [17:00:07] | iamlindoro: | You can feel free, just know that you should be self-sufficient enough not to need help making it work, and you'll need to subscribe to and follow the dev and commit lists |
| [17:00:25] | RDV_Linux: | pak0: Do you have the summer doldrums on the very first day? |
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| [17:01:03] | juski: | and _read_ said mailing lists :) |
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| [17:01:48] | iamlindoro: | indeed |
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| [17:03:23] | juski: | hey if you're really bored why not have a go at making new themes? |
| [17:03:36] | juski: | oh wait, few people can ever get so bored |
| [17:04:22] | iamlindoro: | Now there's even tons and tons of mind-numbingly long-to-write theming documenation |
| [17:04:31] | iamlindoro: | So now people don't need to make it up as they go |
| [17:05:14] | juski: | s/make/balls |
| [17:05:15] | juski: | ;-) |
| [17:06:02] | pak0: | :? |
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| [17:42:25] | squish103: | if i am having lots of problems getting mytharchive to work, is there any other tool that I can use to put a couple eps onto a dvd. windows or linux? |
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| [17:46:53] | iamlindoro: | ffmpeg -i infile.mpg -target ntsc-dvd outfile.mpg |
| [17:46:57] | iamlindoro: | dvdauthor -o dvd/ -t outfile.mpg |
| [17:47:04] | iamlindoro: | dvdauthor -o dvd/ -T |
| [17:47:13] | iamlindoro: | growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -dvd-video dvd/ |
| [17:47:15] | iamlindoro: | done |
| [17:47:47] | GreyFoxx: | Can you pass that multiple files and it create a basic menu of them ? |
| [17:47:54] | GreyFoxx: | That would be handy |
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| [17:48:16] | iamlindoro: | the -t file can be done several times to add multiple titles |
| [17:48:36] | iamlindoro: | But I don't exactly know what it does with multiple titles, may just create a basic text menu |
| [17:48:42] | iamlindoro: | I've only ever done it for one |
| [17:48:56] | GreyFoxx: | Nice, I'll have to try that out just to see |
| [17:49:29] | iamlindoro: | the -T finalizes the disk structure once you've finished all the -t stuff |
| [17:49:41] | iamlindoro: | So I assume if a menu is generated, it would be then |
| [17:50:13] | iamlindoro: | Heh, MythUI docs are in teh top 10 longest pages on the wiki already |
| [17:50:18] | iamlindoro: | wonder if I can crack the top 5 |
| [17:52:44] | squish102: | cool thanks iamlindoro, i'm going to give it a try now... mythburn.py keeps telling me mythtranscode fails but when I run it on the command line and 'echo $?' it returns 0! wierd |
| [17:52:54] | iamlindoro: | Mytharchive makes me sad |
| [17:53:09] | iamlindoro: | I would like to see someone pretend it doesn't exist and do something nice up from scratch |
| [17:53:27] | squish102: | i had it working once and it was pretty smooth (although confusing interface) |
| [17:53:33] | iamlindoro: | Something that would do AVC DVDs and fun stuff like that |
| [17:54:37] | squish102: | i guess I could do a ' mythtranscode --mpeg2 --honorcutlist -c 4201 -s 2009-06–20T20:00:00 -o /storage/tempdvd/work/1/newfilenew.mpg' first to remove commercials |
| [17:54:55] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [17:56:18] | meshe: | for any canadians they are doing a marathon on Canada Day for the Bob & Doug cartoon |
| [18:00:57] | iamlindoro: | If that like Terrence and Philip? |
| [18:01:13] | iamlindoro: | s/If/Is/ |
| [18:01:19] | iamlindoro: | literacy, iamlindoro! |
| [18:03:18] | meshe: | hmmm, no |
| [18:03:31] | meshe: | they are a bit of classic canadiana |
| [18:04:03] | meshe: | back from the SCTV days |
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| [18:09:27] | bart_: | Any clues on where to look for a solution for distorted tv and errors like ivtv0: All encoder VBI stream buffers are full. Dropping data. |
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| [18:14:37] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Was a joke ;) |
| [18:15:19] | iamlindoro: | Distorted TV image will often be a ground loop, and the VBI thing can be solved by either increasing the buffer size in the module options or turning off VBI |
| [18:15:28] | iamlindoro: | both of which are covered to death in the users list archives |
| [18:16:05] | iamlindoro: | and if fact, are the *first google result* |
| [18:16:07] | iamlindoro: | in |
| [18:16:17] | iamlindoro: | http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&am . . . amp;oe=UTF-8 |
| [18:16:23] | ** iamlindoro grumbles ** | |
| [18:16:41] | iamlindoro: | Why do your own research when you have slaves to do it for you, I guess |
| [18:17:45] | bart_: | I have googled for it, but when before the upgrade everything worked fine, i wondered if this was a recently introduced issue (with a bugfix or something of the sort) |
| [18:18:08] | iamlindoro: | Dude, the solution is the *first result* |
| [18:18:18] | iamlindoro: | so having googled for it doesn't ring true to me |
| [18:23:50] | ** meshe cracks the whip ** | |
| [18:23:58] | squidly: | iamlindoro: lmgtfy.com ;) |
| [18:24:01] | meshe: | back to work iamlindoro |
| [18:24:04] | meshe: | ;) |
| [18:25:20] | bart_: | True, I read that post |
| [18:25:43] | bart_: | First noting that it was dated 2007 and second that I couldn't find the modprobe.conf the guy was referring too :) |
| [18:25:53] | squidly: | bart_: what distro are you using? |
| [18:25:58] | bart_: | mythbuntu |
| [18:26:09] | squidly: | bart_: /etc/modules.d/options |
| [18:26:13] | squidly: | put it in that file |
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| [18:26:29] | squidly: | or google ubuntu modules options |
| [18:27:09] | bart_: | options.dpkg.bak also good? |
| [18:27:15] | bart_: | Or should I create it as a new file? |
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| [18:27:59] | ** squidly facedesks ** | |
| [18:28:41] | thedarkone: | i finally got my sound to work now i can't control volume |
| [18:29:01] | ** squidly is too tired to be non-grumpy today ** | |
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| [18:29:13] | thedarkone: | i put on as asla 5.1 |
| [18:29:29] | squidly: | thedarkone: what audio output? |
| [18:29:36] | squidly: | bart_: yes make a new one |
| [18:29:49] | thedarkone: | alsa |
| [18:29:55] | thedarkone: | 5.1 |
| [18:30:05] | iamlindoro: | If you're doing digital out, you won't be able to control volume |
| [18:30:16] | iamlindoro: | you'll need to do it on your receiver/TV |
| [18:30:19] | squidly: | bart_: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+modules+options |
| [18:30:33] | thedarkone: | so i can't use 5.1 |
| [18:30:38] | thedarkone: | anlog |
| [18:30:43] | squidly: | thedarkone: I was what output not what drives? |
| [18:30:55] | iamlindoro: | If you're using analog outputs, volume can work file |
| [18:30:56] | iamlindoro: | fine |
| [18:31:09] | squidly: | yea I used it on my desktop for a coupple of hrears |
| [18:31:11] | bart_: | Thanks squidly, rebooting, hoping to be able to see decent tv again :) |
| [18:31:17] | iamlindoro: | assuming you have the Volume control device set properly in settings |
| [18:31:17] | squidly: | bart_: np |
| [18:31:40] | thedarkone: | i tryed like i did before dsp |
| [18:31:42] | ** squidly needs to make a script to give me a lmgtfy.com url ** | |
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| [18:33:13] | bart_: | Tv still horrible :( |
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| [18:33:55] | laga: | yeah, especially the ads |
| [18:34:07] | bart_: | If it was only that |
| [18:34:29] | meshe: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=mythtv |
| [18:34:36] | meshe: | /alias lmgtfy say http://lmgtfy.com/?q=$0- |
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| [18:36:01] | meshe: | simple script ;) |
| [18:36:03] | squidly: | meshe: yea I though of somtehing like that |
| [18:36:08] | ** squidly is just to lazy to write it ** | |
| [18:36:09] | squidly: | :D |
| [18:36:22] | squidly: | ie I've had suck a lack of sleep that it's not funny |
| [18:36:26] | meshe: | i just did it in irssi, that's the "code" i used ;) |
| [18:36:59] | squidly: | meshe: yea It been added to my config |
| [18:37:05] | nambo: | you should sleep |
| [18:37:08] | meshe: | we should teach mythlogbot to do that |
| [18:37:25] | nambo: | lack of sleep has adverse effects on your health |
| [18:38:08] | squidly: | yea I know |
| [18:38:17] | squidly: | I went to sleep last night and woke up like I had not slept |
| [18:38:23] | squidly: | brb one sec |
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| [18:40:08] | squidly: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ubuntu |
| [18:40:25] | squidly: | http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Ubuntu Modules |
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| [18:40:53] | squidly: | meshe: it works with only one word, multple workds dont work |
| [18:42:43] | laga: | superdump: s/ /%20/ |
| [18:45:25] | squidly: | meshe: actually I was incorrect sorry |
| [18:45:27] | squidly: | the space does work |
| [18:45:49] | thedarkone: | well i am lindoro if i use 6 channels that i can't control by mixer? |
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| [18:55:28] | bart_: | Could the VBI problem be related to installing a new HD? (i tested it using hdparm, it's speeds are normal |
| [18:56:00] | bart_: | On the same time as upgrading my mythbuntu I installed a new HD (as primary disk), it's since then that i'm having these problems |
| [18:56:12] | bart_: | Just reinstalled the old HD, everything looks fine |
| [18:56:14] | squidly: | bart_: doubt it |
| [18:58:12] | bart_: | Must be some setting in the new mythbuntu or one of the packages |
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| [18:58:43] | bart_: | Guess I'll postpone the upgrade a bit to a weekend with a lot of time to spare ;) |
| [19:02:16] | bart_: | Nevertheless, thanks for the tips |
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| [19:08:07] | juski: | Mmmmmm Caipirihnia :D |
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| [19:08:27] | tmkt: | those are good |
| [19:08:33] | juski: | oops. shouldn't drink on a weeknight. heh |
| [19:08:44] | tmkt: | have a couple bottles of cachaca waiting to be used |
| [19:08:53] | tmkt: | tequila first |
| [19:09:03] | ** juski throws some limes & crushed ice at tmkt ** | |
| [19:12:10] | tmkt: | the right weather for it lately |
| [19:16:10] | th1: | has anyone made a table comparing the vdpau performance of various cards/gpus? |
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| [19:17:31] | th1: | if not I will try to compile one... |
| [19:18:30] | juski: | problem with benchmarks is determining a reliable basis for them |
| [19:19:12] | juski: | ooo look my box can play '1080P'.. when nobody says the 1080P video is actually 2Kbit/sec :P |
| [19:19:21] | th1: | well there was this guy who made a vdpau benchmarking tool and a lot of people posted their results from that in a thread on nvnews |
| [19:19:31] | th1: | that would probably be an ok source for a comparison |
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| [19:22:48] | th1: | I'm trying to figure out which card I should get for my frontend. I have a 9400gt and it does everything nicely except for deinterlacing 1080i with the advanced spatial deinterlacer |
| [19:23:10] | th1: | I am a bit pissed off that they decide to transmit in that retarded format |
| [19:23:42] | th1: | the channels I have that are 1080p are perfect and smooth |
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| [19:23:52] | th1: | but the interlaced ones never quite the same quality on an LCD |
| [19:24:00] | th1: | even with the best deinterlacer... |
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| [19:28:18] | at0m: | hi, for some reason both my frontends (both debian testing, one 32 and one 64bit) refuse to display OSD. Or, they don't display the text just the frames when pressing 'i' (info) or freeze/hang when pressing 'e' for edit cutpoints |
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| [19:29:13] | at0m: | on both machines i find the FreeSans.ttf in /usr/share/mythtv/FreeSans.ttf, and i can't select another font in the Setup. Anyone have an idea? |
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| [19:33:05] | th1: | at0m, have you tried both Qt and OpenGL for OSD? |
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| [19:34:57] | at0m: | th1: i have now, same result |
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| [20:08:14] | iamlindoro: | jpabq abqjp: So I finally got my RMA OK from Hauppauge, took ten days |
| [20:08:44] | iamlindoro: | Now I have to figure out what the best way to get the two shows I rely on it to record for me is-- I may be on the hook for a second unit this week |
| [20:09:23] | iamlindoro: | Oh, and everyone set their Myth box to record "Virtuality" this week if you like BSG |
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| [20:12:32] | th1: | iamlindoro, tvtorrents.com? ;) |
| [20:12:43] | ** iamlindoro eyes th1 dangerously ** | |
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| [20:14:46] | jpabq: | Heh, I just received SPAM from Barrack Obama. |
| [20:14:58] | iamlindoro: | with two rs? |
| [20:15:28] | jpabq: | Nope, I miss typed. |
| [20:16:00] | meshe: | "Do your country proud, buy Viagra" |
| [20:16:02] | jpabq: | received from "service.govdelivery.com" |
| [20:16:40] | th1: | .com not .gov |
| [20:16:54] | jpabq: | yup |
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| [20:18:52] | jpabq: | The email content does sound like one of his speeches. Has a few links, which all go back to whitehouse.gov |
| [20:21:19] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: both newegg and amazon sell the hd-pvr for $205 |
| [20:22:20] | iamlindoro: | jpabq: Yeah, gotta see if Dell is running a 25% of on peripheral coupon, that could get it close to $170 there |
| [20:22:26] | iamlindoro: | off on |
| [20:24:26] | bradleee: | hello all, i have a working setup in ubuntu 9.04 which can correctly serve my mpeg2 files to upnp clients. however, when i do so, it seems that the upnp service can only serve that one client at a time. when i use mythtv-status or mythweb to view the status (both of which, it seems, use upnp), the status request times out. i have verified this with netcat to the upnp port while streaming content over upnp and while idle, |
| [20:24:38] | bradleee: | can upnp only support one request at a time? |
| [20:30:09] | th1: | JYA, when do you think you'll upload your experimental package? |
| [20:31:13] | th1: | bradleee, it depends on the upnp implementation, the protocol itself is not limited in such a way |
| [20:31:27] | th1: | I've never gotten the MythTV one to work |
| [20:32:37] | iamlindoro: | bradleee is a Jumbo |
| [20:32:44] | SHADOW_V1: | are there any devs for the windows port here |
| [20:32:57] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V1: no. |
| [20:33:07] | th1: | what's a jumbo? |
| [20:33:13] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V1: Mark Kendall does some occasional work on it |
| [20:33:23] | SHADOW_V1: | oh ok |
| [20:33:35] | iamlindoro: | It's a student/faculty/staff at Tuft's university |
| [20:33:35] | SHADOW_V1: | having a qt issue missing file going to track it down |
| [20:33:54] | th1: | SHADOW_V1, I tried getting it to build on Vista 64 but it was a nightmare and I gave up |
| [20:34:02] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V1: Read the dev and users lists, lots of recent people stupid^H^H^H^ crazy^H^H^H^H enough to try it |
| [20:34:10] | bradleee: | 'tis true |
| [20:34:44] | SHADOW_V1: | th1 they say vista 64 has compatibility issues |
| [20:34:53] | iamlindoro: | bradleee: It's entirely possible, and I thought I heard a similar complaint recently (unless it was you that recently went to the list/trac about it) |
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| [20:35:19] | iamlindoro: | bradleee: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6620 |
| [20:35:21] | bradleee: | it wasn't me, though i didn't find that post when i searched |
| [20:35:57] | iamlindoro: | don't know if same would work for you, but that's probably what I was remembering |
| [20:36:02] | th1: | SHADOW_V1, I couldn't even get Msys to work properly in vista 64. I tried with Cygwin but there were so many issues trying even to build qt |
| [20:36:06] | iamlindoro: | if not, you can reopen the ticket |
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| [20:36:16] | mazda01: | how does mythrename work when you're using storage groups and you have 2 drives defined? |
| [20:36:17] | SHADOW_V1: | th1 try in a vm |
| [20:36:21] | bradleee: | i think i will be able to duplicate and post info to the ticket |
| [20:36:22] | th1: | it works fine in a VM :) |
| [20:36:24] | bradleee: | thank you for the link |
| [20:36:28] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [20:36:35] | th1: | I have dualboot Ubuntu on that machine and it also works in vmware under windows |
| [20:37:35] | th1: | but now I just use Linux only for TV. I only use vista for games anyway |
| [20:37:39] | bradleee: | iamlindoro: familiar with Tufts? |
| [20:37:53] | iamlindoro: | Yar, dated a Tufts girl, went to school in Bostom |
| [20:37:56] | iamlindoro: | Boston |
| [20:38:04] | iamlindoro: | How are things in Medfuhd? |
| [20:38:29] | bradleee: | hah damp and dreary, what else? |
| [20:38:32] | ** iamlindoro makes an appointment to meet bradleee in Davis Square ** | |
| [20:38:53] | iamlindoro: | I went out for a run just now, but it's like 90 degrees, woe is me ;) |
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| [20:42:57] | mazda01: | how does mythrename work when you're using storage groups and you have 2 drives defined? |
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| [20:44:14] | iamlindoro: | mazda01: The uestion doesn't make much sense to me-- the script either renames them all in prace, regardless of SG, or links them all the the provided link argument dir |
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| [20:48:11] | cityLights1: | hi guys |
| [20:48:23] | tmkt: | hola |
| [20:48:39] | iamlindoro: | s/uestion/question/ , s/prace/place/ |
| [20:48:51] | cityLights1: | as sphery suggested I tried to install mythvideo and mytharchive |
| [20:49:07] | cityLights1: | it didnt work |
| [20:49:19] | cityLights1: | how can I build them from source? |
| [20:49:52] | cityLights1: | In the mythplugins README I see I need to to run qmake then make |
| [20:49:56] | cityLights1: | make failed |
| [20:50:32] | iamlindoro: | Erm, why not just install your packager's versions? |
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| [20:51:05] | cityLights1: | cause gentoo only has packages for 0.21 not trunk |
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| [20:51:25] | iamlindoro: | compiling the plugins isn't just "run qmake, run make" |
| [20:51:45] | laga: | iamlindoro: is your theme for sexy people out in the wild? |
| [20:51:48] | iamlindoro: | run configure with a prefix that matches your mythtv libs, then run make |
| [20:51:52] | iamlindoro: | laga: yep |
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| [20:52:02] | iamlindoro: | laga: http://www.fecitfacta.com/graphite.tar.gz |
| [20:52:19] | iamlindoro: | laga: It's definitely worth reading the release notes on the users or theming mailing list, though |
| [20:52:33] | cityLights1: | so no need for the output with the error, great |
| [20:52:33] | laga: | thanks |
| [20:52:38] | laga: | iamlindoro: not running trunk anyways |
| [20:52:42] | iamlindoro: | laga: In short, use the GL themepainter, and the release notes offer some tips on how to get the metadata to make it look sexy |
| [20:52:48] | laga: | iamlindoro: thinking about upgrading, though.. |
| [20:53:13] | cityLights1: | iamlindoro: there in no configue file in the root of mytharchive |
| [20:53:23] | cityLights1: | dont I need one to run |
| [20:53:24] | cityLights1: | ? |
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| [20:53:30] | iamlindoro: | laga: Things have gotten better in recent weeks, and (IMO) makes it feel more finished to have a finished theme |
| [20:53:38] | iamlindoro: | cityLights1: Because you don't compile plugins from within each plugin |
| [20:53:52] | iamlindoro: | ./configure --prefix=/what/ever/ --disable-all --enable-theoneyouwant |
| [20:54:11] | iamlindoro: | These are all red flags for "shouldn't run trunk" BTW |
| [20:54:25] | iamlindoro: | But I'm sure now that I've said that it will somehow be *my* fault |
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| [20:55:27] | cityLights1: | ok I see I need to svn checkout http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythplugins |
| [20:55:28] | cityLights1: | right? |
| [20:55:32] | dubstar_04: | Does anyone know where I can find an example of a recorded show being inserted into the database within the source? |
| [20:55:40] | iamlindoro: | laga: If you do go to trunk, I'd recommend ticket #6346, not just for the TV episode management, but becuase it improves some of the grabber behaviors (like pulling in just images when that's all you need) |
| [20:56:08] | iamlindoro: | dubstar_04: you could probably run the backend with -v database and do a quick recording and find it in there |
| [20:56:28] | cityLights1: | do I need the mythtv source also? |
| [20:56:33] | iamlindoro: | (assuming you didn't want to track it down in the source, where it should be somewhere in libmythtv) |
| [20:56:42] | dubstar_04: | i cant at the minute as the mrs is watching tv in the bedroom!# |
| [20:57:15] | iamlindoro: | cityLights1: You need at least the Myth dev libraries installed, if gentoo doesn't install them as part of the install, then yes, you'll need to build and install myth from source |
| [20:57:24] | iamlindoro: | though I expect gentoo probably installs the dev stuff |
| [20:57:30] | laga: | iamlindoro: thanks |
| [20:57:34] | iamlindoro: | laga: np |
| [20:58:00] | cityLights1: | iamlindoro: do you have a name of on of the dev libs I can whereis |
| [20:58:38] | iamlindoro: | mythdb.h |
| [20:58:50] | cityLights1: | thanks |
| [20:58:54] | iamlindoro: | probably in /usr/include/mythtv or /usr/local/include/mythtv |
| [20:59:12] | iamlindoro: | which will inform you which prefix to use |
| [20:59:23] | cityLights1: | /usr/include/mythtv/libmyth/mythdb.h |
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| [20:59:48] | cityLights1: | sweet now to svn checkout http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythplugins |
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| [21:02:06] | cityLights1: | is the only way I can use trunk and report bugs, by having a second pc for it? |
| [21:02:29] | mazda01: | iamlindoro, for example. I have a folder names /mnt/recordings1 and /mnt/recordings2. I have a command that is mythrename.pl --link /mnt/readable_recordings. I have it run every 30 minutes everyday. when I look in it after an hour, I only have 15 symlinks in that readable_recordings directory but I have about 50 recordings. |
| [21:02:39] | cityLights1: | btw, I like that ati's bug was closed as mesa fixed it |
| [21:02:46] | cityLights1: | that is xorg etc |
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| [21:06:06] | dubstar_04: | I want to achieve something similar to what myth.rebuilddatabase.pl does but with no user interaction as the information can be passed from the plugin, are there any scripts out there? |
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| [21:16:29] | cityLights1: | iamlindoro: most excelent |
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| [21:20:40] | SHADOW_V1: | how can i check if i can login to mysql from another machine |
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| [21:20:45] | SHADOW_V1: | the other machine is a windows box |
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| [21:21:20] | gbee: | mysql -u username -p -h hostname/ip mythconverg |
| [21:21:43] | iamlindoro: | That sounds like a horrible bumper sticker |
| [21:21:51] | iamlindoro: | "My other machine is a Windows Box" |
| [21:22:42] | iamlindoro: | cityLights1: Is "most excellent" to say that it compiled this time? |
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| [21:23:47] | cityLights1: | yes this is quite simple if you know what to do |
| [21:24:08] | iamlindoro: | s/know what to do/read the README in the plugins code/ ;) |
| [21:24:10] | cityLights1: | wish the README had this simple info, instead on the qmake line |
| [21:24:11] | SHADOW_V1: | yeah well give me mac money |
| [21:24:20] | SHADOW_V1: | and ill pay you back as soon as i can |
| [21:24:31] | iamlindoro: | Erm, the readme *does* have that simple info :) |
| [21:24:36] | SHADOW_V1: | gbee, from a windows box though |
| [21:24:51] | cityLights1: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/mythplugins/README&n bsp;: qmake .... |
| [21:25:11] | cityLights1: | 12 qmake mythplugins.pro |
| [21:25:13] | iamlindoro: | cityLights1: before which it tells you to run configure --help |
| [21:25:15] | cityLights1: | 13 make |
| [21:25:20] | iamlindoro: | then to run configure with what options you need |
| [21:25:28] | gbee: | SHADOW_V1: that would be the same way (or was when I last used windows back in the 2K days) |
| [21:25:29] | iamlindoro: | then AFTER that, to run the remaining lines |
| [21:25:35] | cityLights1: | ok ok |
| [21:25:39] | iamlindoro: | sorta like exactly what I told you to do ;) |
| [21:25:54] | iamlindoro: | thought the qmake isn't necessary for most |
| [21:26:08] | gbee: | unless Vista/XP finally got rid of the command line ... |
| [21:26:41] | gbee: | but then there were always gui tools for mysql, where you just feed in the ip/port/username/database and click 'connect' |
| [21:26:44] | iamlindoro: | s/thought/though/ |
| [21:28:33] | ** iamlindoro pokes gbee ** | |
| [21:28:39] | iamlindoro: | finish the MythUI docs so I don't have to :) |
| [21:29:06] | gbee: | meh |
| [21:29:12] | iamlindoro: | That's the spirit |
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| [21:34:47] | iamlindoro: | Though if you continue with the "meh" It'll likely get done for you |
| [21:34:50] | iamlindoro: | you're a clever one |
| [21:35:16] | laga: | iamlindoro: can we make that work for my homework? :) |
| [21:35:47] | iamlindoro: | laga: I've gotten so much of it done now It's irritating me to have three -ui files left undone |
| [21:35:59] | iamlindoro: | But they're the few I just really REALLY don't want to document |
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| [21:45:59] | gbee: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6634 – borked tables? |
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| [22:03:23] | jduggan: | totally offtopic, but does anyone else using an nvidia with a fan on, find without X running, the fanspeed is some insane rpm? |
| [22:03:31] | jduggan: | even though the nvidia module is still loaded |
| [22:03:31] | _bradd_: | anyone using 6200ch to change channels via firewire on a QIP6200–2? |
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| [22:20:06] | gbee: | jduggan: fan speed control is probably done in the userspace X module rather than the kernel one |
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| [22:28:21] | jams: | up up and away |
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| [22:38:16] | SHADOW_V1: | i found a version that atlest loads without crashing |
| [22:39:10] | SHADOW_V1: | video works! |
| [22:40:00] | SHADOW_V1: | i found a mythtv windows fe that works |
| [22:40:06] | SHADOW_V1: | on .21-fixes |
| [22:40:09] | th1: | where? |
| [22:40:18] | SHADOW_V1: | nope sorry its a secret |
| [22:40:28] | SHADOW_V1: | http://www.mediafire.com/?plbnz2xytoc |
| [22:42:13] | th1: | does it have a description site? |
| [22:42:27] | th1: | I'm a bit wary of standalone exe's from unknown sources.. |
| [22:42:48] | SHADOW_V1: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . in32;#329916 |
| [22:42:55] | SHADOW_V1: | you run windows you already have a bad os |
| [22:43:13] | th1: | work issue laptop ;) |
| [22:44:06] | SHADOW_V1: | you know any problems that you have wont be supported on this channel |
| [22:44:58] | th1: | lol |
| [22:45:12] | th1: | not the first time that's happened to me |
| [22:45:25] | th1: | does it work with LiveTV? |
| [22:45:42] | SHADOW_V1: | dont know dont honestly care i use mythtv for recored tv |
| [22:46:16] | th1: | yeah just wondering if this is my ticket to watch 6 oclock news whilst on the shitter ;) |
| [22:46:36] | SHADOW_V1: | tmi |
| [22:46:51] | laga: | ah. windows, one-click hosters.. only the best stuff |
| [22:46:54] | jams: | th1- no need to be crass |
| [22:47:21] | SHADOW_V1: | laga, its a laptop and sorry i like sleep to function |
| [22:47:54] | laga: | what's got sleep to do with it? |
| [22:48:08] | SHADOW_V1: | sleep doesnt like to work on linux |
| [22:48:11] | SHADOW_V1: | if it did |
| [22:48:14] | laga: | ah |
| [22:48:16] | SHADOW_V1: | thats the os i would be running on her |
| [22:48:17] | laga: | works for me ;) |
| [22:48:19] | SHADOW_V1: | here* |
| [22:48:23] | SHADOW_V1: | lucky |
| [22:48:37] | GreyFoxx: | Works on my FE's |
| [22:48:49] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm then i will try it |
| [22:48:54] | SHADOW_V1: | any distro to recommend |
| [22:49:01] | SHADOW_V1: | th1, live tv doesnt work |
| [22:49:08] | th1: | ok |
| [22:49:08] | GreyFoxx: | I always use Slackware when I have ac choice |
| [22:49:21] | SHADOW_V1: | GreyFoxx, will that actually work on a laptop |
| [22:49:47] | GreyFoxx: | Works fine on mine |
| [22:49:54] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm alright |
| [22:49:57] | GreyFoxx: | but then I don't expect it to not require me to do some of the setup |
| [22:50:08] | SHADOW_V1: | what do you mean |
| [22:50:10] | GreyFoxx: | if you have never used it then it can be an uphill battle for you :) |
| [22:50:31] | SHADOW_V1: | yeah i never have used slackware before |
| [22:50:38] | iamlindoro: | Heh, the users list has discovered the bird scene from planet earth |
| [22:50:43] | GreyFoxx: | basicaly I don't really use package managers, nor is it a distro for "everyone" :) |
| [22:50:53] | gbee: | might be nice to have a reliable and trusted source for Windows binaries, since there is a general reluctance to host binaries of any sort officially |
| [22:50:55] | iamlindoro: | next thing you know they'll invent steam power |
| [22:51:07] | GreyFoxx: | gbee: yeah |
| [22:51:27] | squish102: | is there an easy way to get a cutlist when using mytharchive? or do i need to go into each recording? |
| [22:51:34] | SHADOW_V1: | GreyFoxx, thats fine aslong as i can get sleep to work and maybe clock down my video card |
| [22:51:40] | iamlindoro: | and of course instead of naming it something descriptive, the **** "scene" calls is "killa.sampla" |
| [22:51:44] | iamlindoro: | s/is/it/ |
| [22:52:25] | GreyFoxx: | I would expect distros like ubuntu and such to have sleep working outa the box |
| [22:52:37] | iamlindoro: | Sleep works out of the box on all my laptops |
| [22:52:41] | iamlindoro: | (and desktops) |
| [22:52:55] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, thats cheating |
| [22:53:06] | iamlindoro: | cheating by having hardware that works? :) |
| [22:53:11] | SHADOW_V1: | its the os |
| [22:53:33] | iamlindoro: | I mean the linux ones |
| [22:54:09] | SHADOW_V1: | hmm |
| [22:54:24] | SHADOW_V1: | all i can speak of is this dell e1705 |
| [22:54:34] | SHADOW_V1: | and the fact that it hasnt been very nice with sleep |
| [22:54:41] | SHADOW_V1: | very rarely will it come back |
| [22:54:42] | superdump: | i asked earlier but no one responded – is there any noise on pulseaudio support in mythtv? |
| [22:54:55] | superdump: | (pun not intended but i'll take it) |
| [22:55:03] | iamlindoro: | superdump, Myth will allow you to not have it, or compile in support for disabling it :) |
| [22:55:08] | th1: | SHADOW_V1, are you talking about standby, suspend to ram or to suspend to disk? |
| [22:55:49] | SHADOW_V1: | any of them |
| [22:56:19] | superdump: | iamlindoro: and there's no chance currently of someone coming along and implementing proper pulse audio support in myth? |
| [22:56:22] | iamlindoro: | superdump, Amusingly, I think it's referred to in the source as the "audio sync destruction daemon" |
| [22:56:33] | SHADOW_V1: | atleast with the newest version of windows 7 it resumes quicker than before and quicker than linux when it works |
| [22:56:37] | iamlindoro: | superdump, Always a chance, I'm sure if it was done nicely nobody would have any objection to it |
| [22:57:02] | superdump: | so it's not an outright aversion to pulse but rather than no one has implemented it well? |
| [22:57:10] | superdump: | that* |
| [22:57:11] | iamlindoro: | superdump, But one of the devs had severe audio desync issues with it, and then did some research and found that even the authors felt it shouldn't be enabled by default on distros |
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| [22:57:30] | superdump: | even the pulse authors? |
| [22:57:32] | iamlindoro: | superdump, There's aversion to the desync it's caused, but if that weren't an issue I'm sure there'd be no objection to it as a concept |
| [22:57:40] | iamlindoro: | superdump, yeah |
| [22:57:48] | GreyFoxx: | superdug: pulse causes a huge, non consistant audio delay |
| [22:58:01] | SHADOW_V1: | so why do people use it? |
| [22:58:06] | superdump: | but they worked so hard pushing it |
| [22:58:07] | GreyFoxx: | making keeping video and audio in sync almost impossible |
| [22:58:14] | SHADOW_V1: | escuse my lack of knowledge |
| [22:58:24] | sphery: | it's good for network audio |
| [22:58:27] | iamlindoro: | superdump, As I understand it, they have one core dev that pushed it hard as default in distros, and the others were horrified |
| [22:58:27] | SHADOW_V1: | excuse* |
| [22:58:29] | SHADOW_V1: | ah ok |
| [22:58:30] | sphery: | like X for sound |
| [22:58:35] | sphery: | (like the old Y sound server) |
| [22:58:37] | superdump: | i've met lennart |
| [22:58:37] | GreyFoxx: | SHADOW_V1: because someone saw the "Cool toy of the month" and people bought it |
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| [22:58:50] | iamlindoro: | superdump, Note that I'm speaking with third-hand knowledge |
| [22:58:54] | superdump: | ok |
| [22:59:13] | superdump: | hmm |
| [22:59:14] | iamlindoro: | superdump, But given you do know a little something about audio/video sync, if you're in to looking at it, I'm sure nobody would complain |
| [22:59:40] | sphery: | someone did do a pulse audio output patch for Myth, but it was still bad with it (due to pulse limitations, not the patch) |
| [22:59:56] | superdump: | it annoys me because it somewhat dictates my choice of distribution or how i set up my distribution |
| [23:00:01] | superdump: | i don't like that |
| [23:00:04] | sphery: | but danielk has been talkign with pulse devs and was given a list of "safe calls" that he can use |
| [23:00:07] | superdump: | i'd rather myth support it and work well |
| [23:00:14] | laga: | i loved the "solution without a problem" blog posting about pulseaudio (although there *are* use cases) |
| [23:00:29] | sphery: | he will eventually do something, but it may still have problems |
| [23:00:43] | ** laga just set up his distro to use alsa dmix. just like in the good old days ** | |
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| [23:01:01] | iamlindoro: | superdump, I just don't want you to walk away with the impression that myth will never have pulse support, I think a fair prerequisitie is that it maintain good audio sync |
| [23:01:12] | superdump: | right |
| [23:01:15] | superdump: | that's understandable |
| [23:01:47] | laga: | i wish people/distributors wouldn't do dumb shit to their distros |
| [23:01:56] | gbee: | sphery: sums up Pulse for me, you can use it but only if you limit your application to a fraction of the ALSA api .... |
| [23:02:14] | gbee: | so um, what's the point of PulseAudio again? |
| [23:02:22] | iamlindoro: | laga, so are you ready to swear off ubuntu and go to work on ArchMyth? :) |
| [23:02:49] | iamlindoro: | laga, notable recent "D'oh!"s in ubuntu include the network manager and pulseaudio by default, IMO |
| [23:02:50] | SHADOW_V1: | its all about the tickless kernel |
| [23:03:01] | iamlindoro: | but especially the network manager |
| [23:03:03] | superdump: | i don't really understand how pulse has been rolled out on such a large scale if latency is such an issue |
| [23:03:16] | laga: | iamlindoro: i am running arch on my laptop :) but mythbuntu is still going in the right direction, ie by not including PA ;) |
| [23:03:28] | laga: | superdump: i believe lennart poettering claims it is not an issue with fedora kernels |
| [23:03:41] | superdump: | so fedora is the answer? |
| [23:03:41] | iamlindoro: | laga, indeed, now strip out the network manager and you'll have something going :) |
| [23:03:42] | superdump: | :) |
| [23:03:51] | laga: | iamlindoro: network manager works fine here. and i think it does in recent ubuntu versions as well |
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| [23:04:03] | gbee: | superdump: hype from people who don't really know what they are talking about IMHO, it was the cool new plaything of the moment |
| [23:04:05] | superdump: | does he know why it is not an issue? can that solution be passed on to other distributions? |
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| [23:04:26] | iamlindoro: | laga, I just know (and this is as a big mythbuntu fan who considers himself by no means slow) that I have never made it work properly for a backend, and have always uninstalled it and just done it manually |
| [23:04:38] | laga: | superdump: there was a posting on a mailing list where he recommended certain kernel options. i can't comment on the quality of those suggestions |
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| [23:05:20] | superdump: | i think i may have seen some of those suggestions filtered through via someone else |
| [23:05:24] | laga: | iamlindoro: granted, the whole "let the user enable networking" thing seems.. wrong on a unix-ish box. |
| [23:05:28] | gbee: | iamlindoro: have to say the network manager in ubuntu seems to have improved massively since I last gave ubuntu a try ... though that's not really a tick in the pro-ubuntu column, other distros got that right years ago |
| [23:06:11] | iamlindoro: | gbee, laga: I guess after the first long bad experience with it I have since decided not to fumble-eff around and just done it the way I *know* it will always work, with /etc/network/interfaces |
| [23:06:12] | laga: | iamlindoro: especially on a server. in current incarnations, you can just set up a static entry via the networkmanager applet. not sure if that will set up NM correctly or just use the distribution's tools |
| [23:06:25] | superdump: | initially i found networkmanager to cause far more problems than it solved |
| [23:06:25] | laga: | iamlindoro: i certainly can't blame you for that. |
| [23:06:54] | superdump: | so really no myth devs or users use pulse? |
| [23:06:59] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, my network manager is working but yes i have had issues with it |
| [23:07:03] | laga: | although i am glad there is a standard now, instead of a plethora of more or less compatible wifi management applets |
| [23:07:23] | laga: | iamlindoro: in fact, i went through the trouble of installing NM on arch ;) |
| [23:07:27] | gbee: | I'm not unhappy with either mythbuntu or UNR so far, which surprised me because 3 months ago I'd still be swearing never to touch Ubuntu again |
| [23:07:28] | iamlindoro: | ewwwwwww |
| [23:07:28] | superdump: | nm seems to work now though |
| [23:07:51] | laga: | iamlindoro: i can just click on a network and it works. wee. |
| [23:08:08] | iamlindoro: | One of these days I'll have to play with arch, I still have the the Dell Hybrid waiting for a purpose |
| [23:08:10] | dashcloud_ is now known as dashcloud | |
| [23:08:22] | laga: | since i use GDM and the gnome nm-applet, i even have my keyring unlocked when i log in |
| [23:08:22] | iamlindoro: | likely once ffmpeg-mt gets done, as it'll be a kick ass HD frontend then |
| [23:08:52] | gbee: | iamlindoro: the one big problem I still have with it is the inability to set a hostname in the network manager, but even that was broken slightly in the latest Mandriva, still it's easy to edit manually |
| [23:09:00] | iamlindoro: | gbee, yeah |
| [23:09:16] | laga: | gbee: "broken slightly" means "no damn QA" |
| [23:09:22] | laga: | s/QA/QC/ |
| [23:09:46] | laga: | that's something i don't like – always this mad rush before a release, getting semi-working things in last minute |
| [23:09:54] | SHADOW_V1: | eh for some reason i hated mandriva could just be me |
| [23:09:56] | laga: | ubuntu's "release on schedule" attitude is not helping |
| [23:10:20] | SHADOW_V1: | laga, you mean constantly pumping out released instead of building upon current ones isnt good? |
| [23:10:29] | ** laga still remembers falling asleep in front of his first mandrake box.. 7 years ago ** | |
| [23:10:37] | SHADOW_V1: | but if we saturate people with released we can promise bug fixes on the next release |
| [23:10:47] | laga: | SHADOW_V1: i'm not talking about rolling releases. i think there's not enough time for things to settle |
| [23:10:55] | SHADOW_V1: | right i agree |
| [23:10:59] | laga: | i'm a fine one to talk, though, since i haven't contributed in ages :) |
| [23:11:00] | gbee: | laga: actually seems to have been deliberate, some bright spark thought that ".local" should be applied to the hostname if it's a local subnet ... so you enter "foobar" and instead you get "foobar.local" thus breaking myth etc |
| [23:11:12] | laga: | gbee: great |
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| [23:13:51] | iamlindoro: | isn't .local a zeroconf thing? |
| [23:14:24] | iamlindoro: | ie all my ubuntu frontend respond to $hostname (if in /etc/hosts) but respond to $hostname.local without any messing about |
| [23:14:42] | iamlindoro: | it's become a convenient way to get at DHCP'd boxes without looking it up |
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| [23:16:06] | laga: | my dnsmasq does that automagically – the box tells it the host name and it adds that to the dns |
| [23:16:16] | laga: | afaict ;) |
| [23:16:21] | gbee: | iamlindoro: some distros will alias it in hosts, afaik that was the standard behaviour before in mandriva, but it changed in the last year |
| [23:17:03] | iamlindoro: | hmm |
| [23:17:15] | sphery: | ddns |
| [23:17:27] | sphery: | works great with dhcp for me |
| [23:17:37] | gbee: | anyway, whatever the reason for it, it's bloody annoying |
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| [23:18:59] | ** iamlindoro wonders why someone would go into a wiki article about the ATI driver only to add "Here's a link to screenshots of my desktop environment running with this driver!" ** | |
| [23:19:14] | iamlindoro: | LOOK AT ME I HAVE NEAT DESKTOP |
| [23:19:42] | laga: | the cubes. i has it |
| [23:19:44] | iamlindoro: | "I prefer the ATI chipset because it allows my 720P TV to have a 1920 x 1080 resolution, which is much better for my desktop environment!" |
| [23:19:50] | iamlindoro: | uhhhhh |
| [23:20:00] | iamlindoro: | Can I get some of whatever he's having? |
| [23:20:11] | laga: | it might melt your brain |
| [23:20:23] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:20:27] | sphery: | on myth wiki? |
| [23:20:30] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [23:20:39] | sphery: | wow... how completely ot |
| [23:20:39] | iamlindoro: | last two edits |
| [23:21:09] | iamlindoro: | Though he tried very very very hard to make it on topic |
| [23:21:14] | iamlindoro: | and failed |
| [23:21:38] | sphery: | yeah, doesn't help that the article is bordering on ot |
| [23:21:40] | iamlindoro: | But I'm not reverting it because I'm tired of being the wiki dictator and still not having power to delete pages :) |
| [23:21:54] | sphery: | meaning it's Myth, not some distro |
| [23:22:23] | kormoc: | the ones by Ndeidm1? |
| [23:22:27] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
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| [23:24:36] | sphery: | You know, since I caught you spying on the Recent changes link, I've been extremely self-conscious as I edit pages. |
| [23:24:41] | iamlindoro: | haaha |
| [23:25:05] | iamlindoro: | I'm mostly contemplating whether to try to document recordings-ui.xml |
| [23:25:23] | iamlindoro: | which is the sole remaining truly megalithic MythUI file |
| [23:25:26] | sphery: | some guy's been doing a lot of hacking on the MythUI Theme Development page. Probably ruined it. |
| [23:25:44] | iamlindoro: | Probably |
| [23:25:56] | iamlindoro: | now people will never be forced to carve through random other theme files to learn how |
| [23:26:02] | iamlindoro: | and what fun will that be? |
| [23:26:02] | sphery: | when you're 90% of the recent edits page, you might want to think of taking a break. |
| [23:26:12] | sphery: | Oh, wait... That was quite some time ago, Mr 95%. |
| [23:26:45] | sphery: | iamlindoro: you mean that new themes won't inherit the bugs/misunderstandings/mis-designs of the old themes they copy? |
| [23:26:45] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [23:27:22] | laga: | they will inherit iamlindoro's misunderstandings then |
| [23:27:26] | iamlindoro: | No, they'll just be copies of Terra and Graphite, but with MOAR DROPSHADAO |
| [23:27:39] | iamlindoro: | laga, and they are many and frequent |
| [23:28:08] | SHADOW_V1: | how do you get 720p to 1920x1080 |
| [23:28:13] | iamlindoro: | with weed |
| [23:28:24] | SHADOW_V1: | what do you do if you dont smoke |
| [23:28:35] | laga: | brownies |
| [23:28:57] | SHADOW_V1: | nope |
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| [23:31:22] | sphery: | d'oh... The AP Stylebook for 2009 actually addresses which of "Twitter" or "tweet" to use as a verb (either)... To Twitter means to tweet? What a country! |
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| [23:34:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro: probably completely unrelated (as it is -fixes), but I get swimming gray soup with ffmpeg/Xv sometimes when I start playback too quickly (seems to be related to network/data starvation on init). Never recovers. Just have to exit and restart playback. |
| [23:35:13] | sphery: | but mentioning just in case it might be useful to know |
| [23:35:22] | iamlindoro: | sphery, in this case it's persistent, VDPAU only, and even after idling on the recording for a while |
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| [23:35:36] | iamlindoro: | (and there's no live preview to use as a guide for when to start) |
| [23:35:50] | sphery: | so probably not just a starvation issue for you, then |
| [23:36:18] | iamlindoro: | not AFAIK |
| [23:37:44] | iamlindoro: | superdump, would you happen to have any knowledge about why blu ray LPCM is unsupported in ffmpeg? I would have thought PCM audio would have been a snap |
| [23:38:02] | sphery: | see the discussion in -users list about the Planet Earth clip that "melts VDPAU"? |
| [23:38:12] | iamlindoro: | I think the only curveball is that it can be 16, 20, or 24 bit |
| [23:38:21] | iamlindoro: | sphery, see my comments about it just a bit ago :) |
| [23:38:27] | sphery: | one said he can't stream it over his 100MB switched/duplex network (which would imply >30MB/sec) |
| [23:38:41] | iamlindoro: | sphery, :50 after last hour |
| [23:38:52] | sphery: | I'm always too slow with the -users list commentary :) |
| [23:39:31] | laga: | tables in latex: hell |
| [23:40:11] | sphery: | laga is decorating his dungeon? |
| [23:40:23] | iamlindoro: | mm, latex |
| [23:40:38] | laga: | sphery: yes. here, meet my grue |
| [23:41:04] | iamlindoro: | YAY GRUE! |
| [23:41:13] | iamlindoro: | were just taling about Grues last night |
| [23:41:22] | iamlindoro: | and the sorry state of classic gaming knowledge in our youth |
| [23:41:34] | iamlindoro: | which made me go spend money on eBay on classic infocom games |
| [23:42:31] | phunyguy: | holy crazy thunderstorm |
| [23:42:36] | superdump: | ffmpeg used to only support 16-bit pcm |
| [23:42:39] | phunyguy: | gettin random hail blasts too |
| [23:42:47] | superdump: | that was 'fixed' more recently |
| [23:42:56] | ** laga needs a ncc-1701D or -E poster ** | |
| [23:43:00] | superdump: | but maybe there are issues with 24-bit |
| [23:43:06] | sphery: | iamlindoro: how do you play them? |
| [23:43:12] | superdump: | and maybe there are issues with the ts demuxer (more likely i think) |
| [23:43:20] | iamlindoro: | sphery, I don't, I just cuddle with them |
| [23:43:30] | iamlindoro: | superdump, I think very likely both (or at least the latter) |
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| [23:43:52] | iamlindoro: | the PCM stuff was the only thing still misidentified with the new TS demuxer last week, ID'd as "Data" instead of audio |
| [23:44:10] | iamlindoro: | though a month or two ago when I hacked in the PID and assigned it to the PCM decoder, it choked it |
| [23:44:27] | iamlindoro: | superdump, but it could have been before fixes for 20/24 |
| [23:45:03] | iamlindoro: | I'll upload samples and ping bcoudrier, don't want to bother him so much that he becomes irritated :) |
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| [23:59:04] | ** iamlindoro bows and scrapes for ffmpeg improvements :) ** | |
| [23:59:19] | iamlindoro: | don't let anyone tell you I'm above demeaning myself for the good of the project, I'm not ;) |
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