Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, June 20th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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sphery:

some alphapulse thing?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, no, prerendered backgrounds from a randomized directory

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sphery:

squish102: you tried D?

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iamlindoro:

The thing I bugged gbee to do and then just did myself :)

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sphery:

iamlindoro: ahhh

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squish102:

sphery i think i have tried every key :(

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iamlindoro:

sphery, http://www.fecitfacta.com/green.png

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squish102:

biut i think i have found the table... so i will backup, delete, and then see

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sphery:

I like it

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sphery:

squish102: hold on

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

sphery, All of Graphite's menus and manipulable items are grey and blue, everything else is strong colors

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iamlindoro:

and fanart/coverart/screenshots/banners

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iamlindoro:

graphite testers, new version with a few more improvements in the same spot

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sphery:

yeah, just expected more gray in the background... I like it your way, better, though.

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sphery:

we have plenty of gray/blue themes.

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sphery:

(well, not anymore, but... :)

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

Hopefully mine is different enough not to seem like the same old thing

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new2linx:

due oto mythtvthemes.co.uk notbeing there. where are the themes kept now?

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iamlindoro:

svn.mythtv.org (which is where they've always been)

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iamlindoro:

and various random themes at individual theme author's sites

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, thank you

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

Still have all those little Program Guide Single Letter Icons to figure out, too... hmm

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new2linx:

so if I want to try out another theme I would download it from branches, release .21 fixes?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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new2linx:

NOT from trunk right>

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new2linx:

i am especially upset about mythweather. the darn temperatures aren't even readable.

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iamlindoro:

not unless you're running trunk

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iamlindoro:

Are you upset enough to fix it?

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iamlindoro:

patches for such things are quite welcome

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laga:

oh. trunk made someone upset.

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new2linx:

i had read somewhere that messing with DPI and DISPLAYSIZE could solve the issue but I am pretty sick of reading for now. I have goggled for pretty much the last 2 days straight and read till my eyes were bleeding.

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sphery:

squish102: In the "Select Archive Items" page, select the show you don't want, hit M to get the Menu, then Remove Item.

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, i am upset enough to fix it if I knew how. so I guess I can't complain. i am just happy that there are mythtv developers out there as this program does rock!

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iamlindoro:

theming is a learnable art :)

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iamlindoro:

no programming per ser required

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iamlindoro:

and it's certainly easier than any complicated level of HTML

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iamlindoro:

er per se

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, that would be cool to theme mythtv. i'd have to goggle my face off though.

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iamlindoro:

Or just read the MythUI documentation ;)

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iamlindoro:

complete with helpful tutorials and demo themes

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new2linx:

i wonder if xbmcmythtv has been updated for mythtv .21

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iamlindoro:

not that it applies to the current version of mythtv, but...

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, it's related to the database schema i know. or that's what I am told.

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iamlindoro:

What is relted to the DB schema? We don't provide any support for XBMC in here

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iamlindoro:

You'd need to seek help in their channel for that stuff

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new2linx:

i know, just shooting the s__t

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new2linx:

so you don't use xbox as frontend?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, i am debating about putting a computer in the living room but I am concerned about noise. my cpu fan is not loud but not quite either.

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iamlindoro:

One of the preferred ways of handling that is putting the computer in a closet/basement/quietplace and running cables in the walls

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sphery:

new2linx: you'd be amazed how much info is in that wiki... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_XML_Examples

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sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Demo_Theme

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new2linx:

currently I have an xbox in the basement and in the living room running XBMC T3CH. I have to look into xbmvmythtv, if it doesn't work with mythtv .21, i'll just view recordings through samba or even consider running xebian and mythtv. have you ever ran xebian or a xbox friendly linux distro

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sphery:

new2linx: Even a nice Core 2 frontend system should be a lot quieter than an XBox

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sphery:

especially if you get a nice low-TDP processor

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iamlindoro:

The xbox is also not really adequate hardware for anything but low bitrate SD material

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sphery:

yep

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new2linx:

i currently run a c2d E4300. i think i am using the stock CPU cooler.

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sphery:

and it seems louder than your XBox?

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, are you aware if the PVR-350 captures better quality SD through s-video or the component cables? (or is it composite, I always get them 2 mixed up although I do know 1 of them is HD)_

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iamlindoro:

350 has S-video and composite

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iamlindoro:

(and RF)

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iamlindoro:

component is capable of HD

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iamlindoro:

and is three cables

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iamlindoro:

the best available option for the 350 is S-video

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new2linx:

sphery, well it's sitting in my bedroom on top of my windows box which is overclocked, has an additional pci slot fan and a big thermaltake fan, and 4 case fans. So maybe it's the windows box that's really loud.

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sphery:

Heh, my CSI: NY episode (recorded OTA in HDTV) has a flashback to an episode from 2 years ago. It's /amazing/ how much lower quality the encoding was for that section--I'm assuming because they're getting better at it.

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sphery:

new2linx: I'd guess the Windows box is loud. :)

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sphery:

especially if it's running Windows Vista

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, ok. that's what I am doing. although it does look a little more grainy since upgrading to 2.6.24 kernel and ivtv 1.1.0

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new2linx:

sphery, yeap. it is!

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iamlindoro:

Anything is possible, I guess, the 350 is very old technology and few people have them any more

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iamlindoro:

could be gradually losing driver support

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new2linx:

sphery, nope. XP still. I am about to convert it to Ubuntu and run xp in a virtualbox

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, yeah. it's funny how at the time PVR-350 was awesome with the decoder and encoder on it. now days with digital it's really nothing fancy.

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iamlindoro:

in fact, it's more of an impediment if you try to use the TV out :)

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, could i download the ivtv 0.4.1 and run that see what happens?

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iamlindoro:

the GPU makes a much better TV out device at this point

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iamlindoro:

ivtv is paired with the kernel version, so you need to run the version appropriate for that

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, i don't even use the tv out. I have a Nvidia 6200 with DVI and VGA out, i just use that.

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iamlindoro:

yes, that would be better

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, OH. i thought I could download an older ivtv and compile against my current kernel but you're saying I'd have to run an older kernel with it also?

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squish102:

sphery THANKS... I have been trying to find that ifor 2 days now!

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, wait, so you are saying the PVR-350 is ok for tv out but it's just hard to setup?

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squish102:

that has really helped me out soooo much

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iamlindoro:

new2linx, no, I'm saying it's a poor choice for TV out

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, can you point me to a place that would help me adjust my xorg.conf and put in mode lines and fix the DPI and DISPLAYSIZE issue?

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, oh. what does, "the GPU makes a much better TV out at this point"?

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iamlindoro:

new2linx, GPU = Graphics Processing Unit. Your nVidia

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iamlindoro:

versus the comparatively poor PVR-350

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, oh sorry.

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iamlindoro:

And I have no idea about your DPI/displaysize issues, I haven't experienced what you are seeing myself and my theming knowledge all pertains to the new version of myth (where the theme engine has been rewritten)

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, i'm running imdb-bulk-updater.pl right now to update the imdb data on over 500 movies. i figured out the rename command to use and it was awesome. it was rename -n 's/ cd/./' *.avi

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, ok.

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, now I have the gruling task of going through my music and renaming all the crap names so that I can run an id3tag program on them so that I can then get all the album covers for the music.

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iamlindoro:

Heh, I know that feeling

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iamlindoro:

it's soooo worth it in the end when you get all the metadata 100% clean though

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iamlindoro:

wait 'til .22 comes out, you (and everyone else) will have a job ahead of them :)

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, HUH? mythtv .22 will be hard to install?

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iamlindoro:

No, myth .22 will have many new types of metadata to straighten out

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, i found a theme that is better than the rest with the font. it's Titivillus. Except the 18 hour forcast, the preceptation number, the percentage symbol is cut off though and the beginning of the number is overlapping "Temp"

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** iamlindoro shrugs **

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iamlindoro:

I never use mythweather, I think it's a waste of time

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sphery:

squish102: You're welcome... I guess I remembered a bit more about Paul's post than I thought--I just had to go into MythArchive to see how it's layed out to put it all together. (First time I've ever started MythArchive.)

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new2linx:

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/852/screenshotuux.png

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, so how do you see the weather if you're in mythtv? you just go to a weather channel?

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iamlindoro:

I have many windows

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iamlindoro:

and if I really need to know what the internet thinks about my weather, a web browser

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iamlindoro:

You need to understand that myth had had its UI core gutted and rewritted since the current release-- so if it seems that nobody is in a big rush to fix it, you're pretty much right

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iamlindoro:

rewritten

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iamlindoro:

Add to that the fact that the most prolific themer has given up on theming, and there's not a lot of interest in the themes right now

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iamlindoro:

At last count, there will be *two* themes which are completely compatible with the next release

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iamlindoro:

Terra, and Graphite

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sphery:

but if you have any kind of artistic talent...

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iamlindoro:

everything else will either have someone step in at the last second and rescue them (unlikely given how much work each is) or they'll disappear

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sphery:

or they'll all be the same theme--default--with different names :)

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iamlindoro:

That said, the new UI core is more exciting in just about every way than the last, and is far better documented (is I do say so myself)

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iamlindoro:

s/is/if/

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sphery:

I'm very impressed with the level of documentation for the themes

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iamlindoro:

so once people get *going*, much better themes will appear... but right now we're suffering from a bad lack of people actually willing to do any work

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sphery:

and I don't say so yourself

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iamlindoro:

sphery, thanks :)

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sphery:

(meaning I'm saying that without bias)

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sphery:

I doubt anyone will step up to do mythui'ed themes until 0.22 is out

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iamlindoro:

I too

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sphery:

after all, they don't work in trixes

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iamlindoro:

Lots of people talking about wanting to write one, precious few doing so

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new2linx:

gotta go for now. talk to ya'll later.

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iamlindoro:

seeya

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sphery:

once people are using 0.22, they'll start theming

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iamlindoro:

Hope so

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iamlindoro:

It really is a crushing amount of work to finish one

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iamlindoro:

it's easy to see how someone could easily give up

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** iamlindoro figures he's entitled to say that given how he can see the finish line at this point **

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sphery:

yeah, but once they have the default (/and/ default-wide, which we don't now have) fallbacks, they'll likely piecemeal some stuff together

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iamlindoro:

And I also figure I have what amounts to more of a complete theme than anyone else does w/ MythUI

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iamlindoro:

sphery, or all use Graphite!

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iamlindoro:

:)

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sphery:

well, based on your earlier statement, some of us don't qualify to use it

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iamlindoro:

fine, fine, sexy people and kormoc and sphery

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iamlindoro:

;)

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sphery:

since you only have a kormoc-exception in there

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sphery:

better

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sphery:

now I can actually test it

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iamlindoro:

Pfft, some people were offered the chance and ignored it

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sphery:

I didn't want to break the rules

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Chaorain:

I'm trying to compile MythVodka but I get error 2 on mkae. help?

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Chaorain:

er make

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Chaorain:

,

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iamlindoro:

error 2 isn't a real error :)

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iamlindoro:

it means "look at the stuff above me!"

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Chaorain:

paste.ubuntu.com/199669/

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sphery:

Chaorain: does MythVodka even work anymore?

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iamlindoro:

Not with trunk it doesn't

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iamlindoro:

and with .21, ... well, still no

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iamlindoro:

Hasn't for about the last couple hulu countermeasures, and not with iPlayer either AFAIK

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Chaorain:

oh it doesn't work with hulu anymore?

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sphery:

firefox does

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iamlindoro:

nope, hulu longs since broke RTMPdump which it relies on

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sphery:

(but, due to the flash plugin, may or may not crash at the end of the show :)

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iamlindoro:

and adobe sued them off sourceforge if memory serves

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Chaorain:

ok nvm then

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iamlindoro:

You're welcome!

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iamlindoro:

come back soon!

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sphery:

iamlindoro: that makes the page title so apropos: http://sourceforge.net/projects/rtmpdump/

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Chaorain:

hopefully I won't have to

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iamlindoro:

hahaha

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iamlindoro:

hahah, I totally got my nicks mixed up

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iamlindoro:

Chaorain, thought you left without a thanks, was being sarcastic :)

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iamlindoro:

But you did not, so I stand corrected

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Chaorain:

yes thanks for the help and saving me hours of working in vain

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iamlindoro:

np

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Chaorain:

btw does anyone here know a lot about samba?

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sphery:

http://www.chillingeffects.org/anticircumvent . . . ticeID=25159

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** iamlindoro senses us veering OT **

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sphery:

Chaorain: only what I learned watching Dancing With the Stars

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iamlindoro:

sphery, So you're the guy who watches it

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Chaorain:

sphery, so no.

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iamlindoro:

sphery knows much about many things... but not as much as they know in #samba

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sphery:

iamlindoro: someone else got me started on it... my watching it is justified.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, That justification better have ladyparts

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sphery:

I'm justified

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iamlindoro:

well, or $genderofchoiceparts

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iamlindoro:

whichever

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iamlindoro:

I hope gbee comes home with a renewed desire to finish MythUI :)

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sphery:

well, that's why the devs all chipped in to send him on vacation

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

And here I was just going to get him a beer when he was done

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sphery:

that works--you just have to include a trip to the German brewery with it

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iamlindoro:

Haha

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iamlindoro:

Does it count if I just have laga PM him a picture of a german brewerei?

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iamlindoro:

brauhaus?

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iamlindoro:

brauerei?

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iamlindoro:

bier!

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iamlindoro:

pivo!

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sphery:

bieron

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iamlindoro:

pi jiu!

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iamlindoro:

I think I can do this in many many languages :)

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iamlindoro:

That is easily in the first five words I've learned any place I've gone

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iamlindoro:

but beer/bier and pivo are by far the most universal

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iamlindoro:

If you can't figure out the local equivalent from those two, you're really lost

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highzeth:

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iamlindoro:

highzeth, see? That's how I would know I was lost :)

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sphery:

isn't that just zero in long int representation?

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highzeth:

iamlindoro: hehe =)

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sphery:

now everytime I say: long value = 0l; I'll be thinking about beer

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highzeth:

great init? ;)

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

iamlindoro: so you just caused me to learn way more about RTMPE than I ever wanted to know

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Heh, well it will shortly become a part of ffmpeg, so there's more to come

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iamlindoro:

well, shortlyish

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sphery:

really

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sphery:

even the encrypted part?

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iamlindoro:

not that part

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sphery:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

Think they don't desire to be sued into the paleolithic

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sphery:

so RTMP but no RTMPE (where RTMPE is what got RTMPdump the DMCA takedown notice)

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sphery:

good

[01:22:37]

sphery:

we need them for Myth

[01:22:43]

iamlindoro:

indeed

[01:22:52]

sphery:

and I'd hate to have to move outside of the US to use Myth

[01:22:59]

thedarkone:

well could some one help me out with this i have a nvidia 9500 gt 1024mb video card and have hooked up dvi to hemi and i get a wierd colors when i watch tv

[01:23:01]

** iamlindoro wonders if anyone has checked Anduin's pulse lately **

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sphery:

then I may have to drink zero beer

[01:23:16]

iamlindoro:

sphery, where zero beer = one beer!

[01:23:18]

highzeth:

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sphery:

thedarkone: you hooked dvi to your Dodge Ram's Hemi engine?

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iamlindoro:

highzeth, in nont-norway-places, the 0 is collonly represented with the strikethrough

[01:23:46]

iamlindoro:

er non-noway

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iamlindoro:

norway

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iamlindoro:

stupid fingers

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iamlindoro:

and commonly

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highzeth:

[01:24:09]

highzeth:

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sphery:

cool

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I'm sure there's a math proof in there somewhere

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thedarkone:

lol

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iamlindoro:

sphery, don't try it, the universe may implode

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thedarkone:

well all the people come up blue

[01:25:26]

thedarkone:

lol

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Anduin:

iamlindoro: I'm around, just working weekends for now so no myth time

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sphery:

thedarkone: when you say weird colors, what specifically do you mean?

[01:25:48]

thedarkone:

like red is blue

[01:25:48]

sphery:

oh... you answered as I typed

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sphery:

thedarkone: in video only?

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iamlindoro:

Anduin, Was out of friendliness, not crack-the-whip-i-ness

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thedarkone:

yes

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thedarkone:

video only

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** iamlindoro bets SOMEONE is using VDPAU backports **

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sphery:

thedarkone: in TV playback or the little live preview in Watch Recordings

[01:26:15]

iamlindoro:

or trunk

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thedarkone:

trunk

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sphery:

tv playback?

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** iamlindoro further bets that turning VDPAU off fixes it **

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thedarkone:

tv playback /recordings/dvd

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sphery:

something with the hue being off

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iamlindoro:

yep

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sphery:

should be beer, right?

[01:27:12]

sphery:

set hue to beer

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sphery:

ot

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sphery:

it's currently at 255

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iamlindoro:

where Xv 50% = VDPAU 0%

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thedarkone:

on video card?

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sphery:

ahh, so it's currently 127

[01:27:45]

iamlindoro:

I should mention that to mark, I guess

[01:27:52]

sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

will probably catch a lot of people

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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sphery:

F to fix?

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iamlindoro:

thedarkone, Press M during playback->Picture controls->Hue, to 100%

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sphery:

Or F until you see Hue

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iamlindoro:

or that

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iamlindoro:

I've also never been fond of the fact that those controls roll over

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iamlindoro:

as no other control in myth does

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phunyguy:

Hmmm.... I am very impressed with the aoTuV OGG library

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thedarkone:

iamlindoro it is 100

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iamlindoro:

Then crank it down to 50

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** sphery wonders why Aoyumi is forking the vorbis encoder rather than working as part of the vorbis team **

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thedarkone:

syill off but will do

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thedarkone:

still

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thedarkone:

now i have to figure out why it way overscan at 720p

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sphery:

thedarkone: your TV is likely overscanning

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thedarkone:

yeah well i have a 42 vizio lcd 1080i

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iamlindoro:

1080i LCD does not compute

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iamlindoro:

your LCD may take 1080i input, but its native res is almost definitely 1366x768

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thedarkone:

i see

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new2linx:

does xorg require modelines for best results out of 17" LCD HDTV?

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iamlindoro:

if you're using a digital out, doubtful

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iamlindoro:

most common configurations should not require custom modelines these days, assuming decent GPU and marginally decent display

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, are you aware of a way to set mythtv viewing of tv to be adjust fill "full"? i suppose I could setup a button my remote to accomplish this. is that the best solution you think?

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, ok. thanks

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iamlindoro:

new2linx, If you want it to default to full, set the TV playback settings to it

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback

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iamlindoro:

second page I think

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, ok. sorry, I should of figured that.

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iamlindoro:

np

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, one thing that is werid is that the picture on my screen is over to the right and I have to hit menu on the real tv controller and adjust the horizontal to the left. is this because the the video card can't communicate with the the tv using EDID or whatever that is?

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iamlindoro:

new2linx, tough to tell, but you can set video offsets on the same page I just directed you to

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sphery:

new2linx: it's likely your TV "auto-aligning" the picture

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sphery:

and doing it wrong

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new2linx:

i suppose this is in the documentation as well, how do I re-watch a live tv channel I had just seen after I leave mythtv watching. when I look in the recording list, it's not there?

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iamlindoro:

M->change filter->LiveTV

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iamlindoro:

And you're right, it is ;)

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, so the default isn't to show ALL programs?

[01:46:37]

iamlindoro:

No, would you want to see every two minute length of program you watched while browsing through Live TV?

[01:46:44]

iamlindoro:

The average person would not

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new2linx:

iamlindoro, dah, true.

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sphery:

new2linx: if you want to see it, set: "Show 'LiveTV' recordings when using "All Programs" filter"

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sphery:

playback settings under recording groups

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new2linx:

sphery, thanx

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** iamlindoro wonders if anyone *really* cares about the icon downloader **

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iamlindoro:

(being themed, that is)

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new2linx:

does MythCinema-MovieTimes support dvd covers?

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leprechau:

heya...this is probably online someplace already but i can't seem to find it...

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leprechau:

the new channels with the digital conversion here in usa are now 2–1 and 2–2, etc... but when i populate the channels in mythtv-backend

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leprechau:

it only shows the non – (hyphen) channels

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leprechau:

what am i missing here?

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iamlindoro:

You run a channel scan with a digital card

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sphery:

or are you using a digital converter box and an analog capture card?

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leprechau:

sphery, yes

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sphery:

at SD did you select the digital lineup?

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leprechau:

i have a converter box hooked up to the analog composite input of a pvr-150

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sphery:

but you need to select the digital channels through SD

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leprechau:

sphery, right

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sphery:

then once you've done that, do the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[02:24:45]

sphery:

but don't do a channel scan

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iamlindoro:

Not that you should be able to use what you've got, but buying a very very inexpensive digital tuner will make you soooo much happier

[02:25:00]

sphery:

and use "Fetch channels..."

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leprechau:

iamlindoro, have any reccomendations?\

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iamlindoro:

I like my Hauppauge HVR-1250 a lot

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leprechau:

all the hauppage cards i looked at were really expensive

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sphery:

and it's cheap

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iamlindoro:

(if you are loking for inexpensive)

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sphery:

cheap meaning inexpensive, not quality

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iamlindoro:

If you can afford a bit more, the HDHomeRun is really nice

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SHADOW_V1:

i like my pinnacle 800i

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SHADOW_V1:

works better than my hvr 1600 and hvr 1800

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SHADOW_V1:

and its cheap

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leprechau:

lol pci express on the 1250...it doesn't come in plain pci?

[02:26:43]

iamlindoro:

If you need plain PCI, the HVR-1600 or Pinnacle will work

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iamlindoro:

or the HDHomeRun for two tuners

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iamlindoro:

(the HDHomerun being a network device, not PCI)

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sphery:

but that's only PCI if you get a PCI ethernet card

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leprechau:

damn 1600 is 85 bucks

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SHADOW_V1:

iamlindoro, is the hdhr comparible to the 800 i

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leprechau:

my two 150s were $20 each lol

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sphery:

http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards

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SHADOW_V1:

because the 800i locks on to channels and work better on my connections

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V1, Depends what you are comparing, the HDHomeRun is a dual network tuner

[02:28:00]

SHADOW_V1:

iamlindoro, i meant of locking and recording

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iamlindoro:

Couldn't tell you, all my tuner card work in equivalent fashion, but I have good signal

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iamlindoro:

cards

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iamlindoro:

leprechau, You could also get a KWorld 110 or 115 very inexpensive

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sphery:

iamlindoro: got any links to HVR-1600 (or even 1250) for $40, anymore?

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SHADOW_V1:

because the 800i will lock and record without hickups where my hvr 1800 will give me locking issues and/or and pixelation

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iamlindoro:

leprechau, where do you live?

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leprechau:

iamlindoro, usa...oklahoma

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sphery:

OK

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leprechau:

there is on SD broadcast here anymore

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sphery:

it must be late, because I find my response funny

[02:29:54]

leprechau:

sphery, i got it

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I guess I paid $54: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815116024

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sphery:

yeah, just saying that I know it's not funny, but I still think it's funny because I'm tired

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iamlindoro:

Google shopping claims 42, but the site is a dead end

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, since you gave me the link to the $42 HVR-1600, I don't want to pay more

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sphery:

(that site no longer has them, though)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, har har

[02:31:24]

iamlindoro:

ah, you mean way back

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

didn't buy then

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iamlindoro:

Lowest I'm finding: http://itwinkle.stores.yahoo.net/noname13.html

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iamlindoro:

good ol' nonam13

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sphery:

heh

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sphery:

close enough to newegg's price, I'll go with tried and true

[02:35:04]

sphery:

(and, likely the same price or more than newegg after shipping)

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iamlindoro:

wiki wiki

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leprechau:

sphery, i've been googling and it seems i need to manually enter all of my channels?? if i do that how do i make sure they match up with the SD info?

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leprechau:

since the SD uses hyphens in the channel numbers that i CAN'T use in mythtv

[03:10:40]

leprechau:

this would all be alot easier if mythv just supported the hyphens...that's kind of ridiculous

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iamlindoro:

It's about time myth supported Ampersands, too!

[03:12:07]

iamlindoro:

And the shifty umlaut!

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leprechau:

lol...i get the feeling you are poking fun at me...but i was quite serious

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iamlindoro:

I am gently poking fun at you because I can't find a nice way to explain that the notion of myth not supporting hyphens makes you look silly

[03:13:08]

iamlindoro:

Myth happily supports hyphenated channels

[03:13:27]

leprechau:

so why doesn't it grab them from schedules direct?

[03:13:34]

iamlindoro:

Now granted, since you're using a converter box, you'll need to teach your IR blaster the – key

[03:13:46]

leprechau:

right...that's not a problem

[03:13:52]

iamlindoro:

clear out all your channels, create a fresh source, fetch channels from listings source

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iamlindoro:

done

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leprechau:

my problem is when i hit "fetch channels from source" it doesn't pick up any channels with subs

[03:14:20]

leprechau:

it only pulls whole channels from SD none of the channels with hyphens

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iamlindoro:

Then you are pointing at the wrong lineup

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leprechau:

i only have one lineup on SD

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iamlindoro:

It's a misconfiguration, I have many a hyphenated channel

[03:15:13]

iamlindoro:

Did you clear out all your existing channels and create a fresh source?

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leprechau:

yeah i went through and did "delete all" on everyhing

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leprechau:

capture cards, sources, channels, everything

[03:15:45]

leprechau:

and reset them all up

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iamlindoro:

Dunno what you're missing, then, my hyphenated channels work great

[03:16:23]

leprechau:

do i have to set some other frequency id other than us-bcst?

[03:16:45]

Dagmar:

That's not a frequency, it's a table of frequencies

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new2linx:

leprechau, if you're using a cable box i am not sure if you get the sub channels? i have Time Warner Cable and I don't get any subchannels. example 2–1 or 2–2

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iamlindoro:

He's not using a cable box

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iamlindoro:

he's using a digital converter

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iamlindoro:

different animal

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Dagmar:

Ah

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iamlindoro:

They definitely support subchannels

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Dagmar:

...but it performs the same role as a cable box tho

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leprechau:

yeah i tested the box it works fine...watched /dev/video0 through mplayer

[03:18:24]

iamlindoro:

yes, but (at least per him) the subchannels remain hyphenated using the box

[03:18:47]

iamlindoro:

ie the box takes 2–1 as a valid channel from its remote

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leprechau:

yeah they do....on the remote that came with the box there is a hyphen key...and the EPG on the box shows the hyphens

[03:19:25]

leprechau:

it's a dtx9900 and i got the lirc config file for it from lirc.org

[03:19:35]

Dagmar:

An auspicious start

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sphery:

leprechau: please pastebin the output of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT chanid, channum, freqid, atsc_major_chan, atsc_minor_chan FROM channel; SELECT sourceid, name, lineupid FROM videosource;"

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leprechau:

sphery, http://pastebin.com/m3ee2f864

[03:37:11]

leprechau:

like i said...for whatever reason it's only fetching one channel from SD

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Dagmar:

Oh

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Dagmar:

Login to SD and make sure that you didn't somehow actually set that lineup *up* as just having one channel

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Dagmar:

...or that it didn't somehow magically mangle itself to that

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leprechau:

Dagmar, i am in SD i have several channels enabled

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leprechau:

looking at it now

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Dagmar:

So you have to dump the entire lineup on your end before it'll see new changes to teh SD lineup if I remember correctly

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Dagmar:

About six months ago I beat my head against that for an hour because I wanted to watch something that was on a channel I thought I'd never watch, so I had deleted it from the lineup

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sphery:

leprechau: try running: mythfilldatabase --do-not-filter-new-channels --only-update-channels --do-channel-updates

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leprechau:

sphery, aight one sec...

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sphery:

--do-not-filter-new-channels: Normally MythTV tries to avoid adding ATSC channels to NTSC channel lineups. This option restores the behaviour of adding every channel in the downloaded channel lineup to MythTV's lineup, in case MythTV's smarts fail you.

[03:42:32]

sphery:

then write up that info in a wiki page, please :)

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leprechau:

hehe

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leprechau:

aight it's running one sec ;p

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sphery:

Perhaps a note at: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Television#Digital_converters

[03:44:52]

sphery:

basically, instead of Fetch channels, you need to run mfdb directly with the --do-not-filter-new-channels arg (but should also do --only-update-channels and it doesn't hurt to add --do-channel-updates)

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sphery:

only for people using ATSC converter boxes with analog capture cards, though

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leprechau:

hrm from the output of mythfilldatabase that may have worked

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leprechau:

let's look

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leprechau:

weee

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leprechau:

sphery, they are all there

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sphery:

leprechau: you'll also need to ensure the freqid is set to a value that your external channel change script understands

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sphery:

note that channum is not sent to the script, but freqid is

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sphery:

you can edit them quickly/easily in the MythWeb channel editor

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leprechau:

gotcha

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leprechau:

thanks man

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sphery:

channum is for you--only for the purpose of specifying human-readable channel numbers and providing a means to ask myth to change to a specific channel in LiveTV

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sphery:

freqid is for your channel change script

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leprechau:

cool thanks man

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sphery:

enjoy

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sphery:

leprechau: if you're even more motivated, rather than just a note at http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Digital_Television#Digital_converters , you could also create a whole page on using an ATSC digital converter box with Myth

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leprechau:

sphery, i may do that

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sphery:

thanks

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karatekickz:

hey guys

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sphery:

I'm sure many would find it very useful

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sphery:

hey

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karatekickz:

any of you guys use a different front end than myth itself?

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iamlindoro:

Some people might, but we don't provide any support for "alternative" frontends in this channel

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iamlindoro:

you'd need to go "to the source" for help with those, as it were

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karatekickz:

is the .23 front expected to be much better>

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karatekickz:

?

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iamlindoro:

I'll let you know when we start planning for it

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iamlindoro:

since .22 isn't even out

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karatekickz:

bhahhaa

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karatekickz:

I mean .22

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karatekickz:

sorry a bit of n00b... slight gaff there

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iamlindoro:

but sure, I'll tentatively say Yeah. it's going to be "much better". I don't know what it'll be better than, but it'll be much better

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karatekickz:

you a dev?

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iamlindoro:

A contributor

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karatekickz:

cool

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karatekickz:

I think you guys have a great app.. .but im disapointed with the frontend

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karatekickz:

after using xbmc

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iamlindoro:

You have a nice family, but your mom is an ugly bitch

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karatekickz:

hope I dont sound like a dick

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karatekickz:

yep

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iamlindoro:

see?

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karatekickz:

lol

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iamlindoro:

That's how I feel

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karatekickz:

so I insulted u?

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iamlindoro:

A backhanded compliment without the compliment is just a backhand

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karatekickz:

its simply constuctive critism ... I get it all the time too

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iamlindoro:

likewise, critiques without any patches or effort to fix them are just complaints

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karatekickz:

I guess

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iamlindoro:

> /dev/bull

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iamlindoro:

/dev/null

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karatekickz:

;)

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karatekickz:

no desire to ever merge ?... join forces etc

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iamlindoro:

nope

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tripppy:

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Ryan09:

Hello

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Ryan09:

I have a problem with mythbackend which no one seems to be able to solve. Basically, The system was watching live tv, then I pressed escape to go back to the main menu. When I pressed Esc the backend crashed, and now it won't start back up.

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Ryan09:

When I try to start it I get the error "Failed to bind port 3. Exiting."

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Ryan09:

I have seen a lot of threads with people getting fail ed to bind port 6543, being an sql problem, but mine just says port 3, (sql ir running fine by the way)

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Ryan09:

Has anyone seen/heard of this before?

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boppen_away:

ps aux | grep mythbackend

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Ryan09:

ryan 4069 0.0 0.0 3336 796 pts/0 S+ 17:12 0:00 grep mythbackend

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Ryan09:

Ok... so does that mean it can't connect to the port because mythback is already running, or is that the actual grep process?

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Ryan09:

Ok, so it looks like that's just grep...

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boppen_away:

okay ... it was just a guess ...

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boppen_away:

Then it might have been something corrupt with the database maybe=

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boppen_away:

?

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Ryan09:

...no worries thanks for your interest, I can connect to mysql and see the mythconverg database... so I guess thats ok, I've run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-database" and "sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common" and it made no difference

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Ryan09:

I guess I could try removing the actual database file (hopefully one of the above commands will recreate it)

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Ryan09:

...I've also tried removing ~/.mythtv and /home/mythtv/.mythtv

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Red_:

Hello

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Red_:

I want to build a pc just for mythTV I'm new to mythTV. What kind of hardware do will I need?

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pat___:

what are you aiming to do?

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Red_:

record programs watch recorded movies

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pat___:

from cable/ota/...

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pat___:

displaying standard def/high def?

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pat___:

via hdmi, composite, component, svideo, scart?

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Red_:

from digital televison comes true the phone wires

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Red_:

HD

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pat___:

unless you use the experimental vdpau patches (not recommended for a stable system) you'll need a fairly powerful cpu

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pat___:

ie, highish end core 2 duo

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pat___:

as for video I'd recommend something that supports vdpau with some nice deinterlacing, I'm assuming you'll be fine with a hdmi-dvi adaptor or cable

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pat___:

1G of ram would be adequate for a dedicated back/frontend

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Red_:

my main concern what size cpu and what kind cards do I need

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pat___:

and since you'll be doing hd you'll need oodles of hard drive space

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pat___:

have a look at the mailing lists for video card suggestions. I'd recommend nvidia

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Red_:

what model

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pat___:

as for cpu, I'd go for something that can do hd in software until vdpau is ironed out

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pat___:

they keep mentioning 9500 or higher

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pat___:

but look at the vdpau deinterlacing, I'm not up on it as I'm sd only and don't follow what the latest is

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Red_:

which would be the best linux distro?

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pat___:

what are you used to using?

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Red_:

for mythTV

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pat___:

or is this your first linux project?

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Red_:

I'm using pclinuxos

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pat___:

you could compile yourself on that platform if you are most comfortable with it, or you could use a redhat or debian derived system if you want precompiled packages

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pat___:

I'm not up on the redhat style distros, but hear that mythbuntu is pretty easy

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Red_:

i hear that too

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pat___:

whatever you are most comfortable with is a good answer

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pat___:

I use mythbuntu/minimyth and plain ubuntu

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Red_:

I used other linux distros but the one a like ix pclinuxos

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pat___:

I'm not familiar with that one, is it rpm, deb, tgz or something else based?

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Red_:

it's RPM

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Red_:

mandriva based

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pat___:

then you'd probably be best off with some sort of redhat derived system

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Red_:

Pat___ thanks

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pat___:

seems mythtv is available with a recent build in atrpms

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pat___:

you probably know what that means for you. I'm sketchy on the whole rpm stuff...

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Sigi:

some one? i loaded lirc_atiusb module, but when i run irw i dont get any response

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Sigi:

and now my remote control does not appear when i run cat /proc/bus/input/devices

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phunyguy:

Sigi, you may want to try #lirc channel

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Sigi:

thx, i already fixd it with the MCC :D

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Sigi:

mythtv is running good now :), but men its got a lot of options :D

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phunyguy:

glad you like it.

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pac1:

I have one channel that comes in analog and digitial. In the digital lineup, most of the programs are offset by 3 minutes. Recordings start three minutes into the program. Is there a way to fx this?

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sphery:

pac1: Give the 2 channels separate callsigns (i.e. WLAT and WLAT-DT), then do a "this channel" recording rule for some show on the digital channel (assuming it's 3min late) with -3 min start early and 3 min end late. Then, if you want a fallback rule for the analog lineup, do a rule for the show on it with 0 start early/end late.

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sphery:

pac1: or, better, complain to your local cable co/municipal authority so they actually fix the problem

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pac1:

actually I found the problem by looking at the mysql database.

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pac1:

There's a column tmoffset that was set to 3 for the channel in question. (don't know why.)

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pac1:

select * from channel where tmoffset <> 0

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pac1:

returned only the channel that was in error.

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pac1:

I updated the tmoffset value to zero and did a mythfilldatabase --refresh-all

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Jimmi_jones:

I am having trouble with lirc and was wondering if anyone had a few minutes to help me out?

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pac1:

Jimmi_jones, plenty willing to help, but you have to be very specific about your trouble. People without a few minutes to help tend not to show up here....

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pac1:

sphery, all the channel 4 WBZ and 4_1 WBZ HD programs now start at the same time (on the hour)

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pac1:

or half hour.

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Jimmi_jones:

ok thanks, I hesitate to ask because it is not a myth thing, just a lirc thing. Here goes, I have a homebrew receiver that I know to work. I have tested it on an XP box with winlirc when I started having problems. I also can get results by running mode2 --device=/dev/lirc0, but get nothing out of mode2 or irw

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Jimmi_jones:

I am using a replaytv 5000 remote

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Jimmi_jones:

sorry, it is a serial receiver

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Jimmi_jones:

I have updated lircd.conf.gnome to include the remote codes for the specific remote that I downloaded off the internet.

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Jimmi_jones:

I think that if I could get lirc to start listening to the remote properly I could go at it on my own from there, but I have had no luck working at it sporadically for the last week or so.

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pac1:

Jimmi_jones, glad you showed up. I've got questions for you too. I've got a Hauppauge myself. It comes with a nice 2 foot cable with an IR receiver. I got it working after reading through a bunch of stuff on lirc. My problem is I'd like to put the receiver in another room about 20' from the computer. That 2' cord is a bit short.

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pac1:

Ok so what do we know about the replaytv 5000?

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Jimmi_jones:

I made mine out of a telephone cable that came with a dish receiver. It is at least 20' long and the signal travels down the cable just fine.

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Jimmi_jones:

which what do we know?

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pac1:

ok. time to get out my wire strippers then.

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Jimmi_jones:

yeah, building the receiver seems to have been the easy part, LOL

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pac1:

Configs for lirc are a pain. I had a devil of a time getting mine to work.

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tank-man:

Jimmi_jones, you say mode2 command gives output and works then next sentence say it doesnt work. so whcih is it?

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Jimmi_jones:

"mode2" does not work, "mode2 --device=/dev/lirc0" does

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pac1:

mode2

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pac1:

mode2: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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pac1:

mode2: default_init(): No such file or directory

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tank-man:

do that means when you use mode2 with default options, it is not working

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Jimmi_jones:

ryan@ubuntu:/etc/lirc$ mode2

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Jimmi_jones:

mode2: could not get file information for /dev/lirc

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Jimmi_jones:

mode2: default_init(): No such file or directory

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tank-man:

that means everything is working, you just need to use options that are not default

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Jimmi_jones:

irw gives me nothing as well

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pac1:

i did mode2 --device="/dev/lircd"

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tank-man:

do you have a file "/dev/lircd" ?

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Jimmi_jones:

where should I be finding /dev? I have /devfs...

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pac1:

got space 3158064 space 3158064 space 3158064 pulse 6371121 space 3158048 space 2116431 space 7370081 pulse 6780257 space 3486559 mode2: error reading from /dev/lircd mode2: Success readdata() failed

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Jimmi_jones:

oops, sorry, found it, just a second

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Jimmi_jones:

yes, have one

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tank-man:

if so, does "irw /dev/lircd" work ?

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Jimmi_jones:

nope, still sits there doing nothing at key presses.

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pac1:

I've got irw /dev/lircd 00000000000017b5 00 Play Hauppauge_350 00000000000017b5 01 Play Hauppauge_350

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Jimmi_jones:

pac1> looks similar

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tank-man:

pac1, that means it is working

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pac1:

yep.

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pac1:

s /etc/lirc

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pac1:

hardware.conf hardware.conf.old lircd.conf lircd.conf.dpkg-old lircmd.conf

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pac1:

oops. thats ls /etc/lirc

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Jimmi_jones:

ryan@ubuntu:/etc/lirc$ ls /etc/lirc

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Jimmi_jones:

5000 hardware.conf hardware.conf.dpkg-old hardware.conf.old lircd.conf lircd.conf.dpkg-old lircd.conf.gnome

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tank-man:

ok, you got mode2 working ,now load lircd with this command "lircd -d /dev/lirc0"

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pac1:

ps aux |grep lirc shows root 2465 0.0 0.0 3116 572 ? S<s Jun19 0:00 /usr/sbin/lircd --device=/dev/lirc0

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pac1:

Jimmi_jones, you need a shorter nick!

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Jimmi_jones:

I will fix that!

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pac1:

Jimmi_jones, do you want to see hardware.conf contents etc?

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Jimmi_jones:

sure

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pac1:

http://pastebin.com/d6356939e

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pac1:

for hardware.conf

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pac1:

http://pastebin.com/d1f3a40f7 for lircd.conf

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pac1:

Jimmi_jones, what os you on?

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Jimmi_jones:

Ubuntu 9.04

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pac1:

same as me.

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z1pp3r:

I have a laptop which has an integrated IR module. Is it possibleto use any regular remote control (for my tv/hifi or whatever) to control my laptop? I've googled a bit and found that i should be using lircd but i didnt have much luck getting it to work

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pac1:

lircmd.conf is "unconfigured"

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z1pp3r:

found a post somewhere that said it was impossible to use "normal" remote controls with irDA devices.... true/false ?

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Jimmi_jones:

ok, you said that you had managed to work out your configurations, right? I am thinking that is my issue

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Jimmi_jones:

http://pastebin.com/m55a44dd5

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Jimmi_jones:

my hardware.conf

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pac1:

yeah. I had to poke around a bit before I figured it out. If I had to redo-it I'd have to figure it out all over again.

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jjones:

I have been poking around for over a week as time allows. It is getting quite frustrating.

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pac1:

jjones, I think there's an additional mapping somewhere that translates the actual codes to myth commands.

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pac1:

probably somewhere in /etc/myth?

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jjones:

yeah, that would be in ~/lircrc for me as I am not even trying to get myth working, just lirc

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pac1:

z1pp3r, my sharp AQUOS remote doesn'nt seem to make mode2 do anything

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z1pp3r:

pac1: it's been a while since i played with it, kindda gave up after reading that post saying it was impossible. I do remember however, that i was getting an error about "not allowed" when trying to use the IR device (on the laptop) at all, even as root

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pac1:

z1pp3r, there may be more than one type of signalling. try wikipedia for details on how remotes work and what signalling systems they have in common.

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z1pp3r:

okay, i will

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pac1:

Am I wrong or is l33t speak out of fashion?

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pac1:

;-)

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z1pp3r:

it is, but name was taken by nickServ and i have no imagination =/

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pac1:

uh huh!

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pac1:

me neither. I'm using a pre-l33t name.

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pac1:

actual initials!

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pac1:

how vax is that?

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z1pp3r:

=)

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z1pp3r:

i use that as my login name on some systems, might be a bit paranoid but i prefer not to use name/pass that i use for serious stuff anywhere else

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z1pp3r:

btw, pretty wicked name you got there. Your last name starts with '1' ? =)

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p1:

Ever read "The Adolescence of P1"

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pac1:

The one came from getting late to the party on my first isp. somebody else had pac.

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z1pp3r:

anyway back to the topic. Can anyone confirm or dimiss the possibility of using a laptops integrated IR module with any regular remote control (got plenty, one of them ought to work if its possible)

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AndyCap:

z1pp3r: http://www.lirc.org/irda.html

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z1pp3r:

thanks

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ontopic:

http://lirc.sourceforge.net/remotes/

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AndyCap:

z1pp3r: dunno if they focus on recieve or transmit though

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ontopic:

lots of sharp remotes in there, just not the one I happened to grab.

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z1pp3r:

from the look of it, it seems like receiving is rather limited and/or buggy =/

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newbee1:

i get this error EntryToProgram(0@Do Jan 1 01:00:00 1970) failed to get pginfo no Livetv with kaffeine it works channels are also found in setup any idea?

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AndyCap:

z1pp3r: hehe, yeah, I'd think it's easier to convince it to transmit something looking like remote commands than hoping to make sense of incoming signals.

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AndyCap:

rf-based input remotes ftw. :P

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newbee1:

here is all the output http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1467736

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ontopic:

newbee1, I've seen that one.

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newbee1:

yes, have you an idea ontopic

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newbee1:

the card is working 100 % and in the setup all channels are detected

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ontopic:

yeah that's what i had. still didn't work.

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ontopic:

wishing i kept a change log.

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ontopic:

There's a couple of things that can cause this kind of failure. One is permissions on the directory where the live tv recording would be stored.

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ontopic:

Another symptom you might find is that the recording is present but takes up zero bytes.

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newbee1:

ontopic i think because we did not add storage directory?

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ontopic:

possible.

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ontopic:

see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=790618 for more info.

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newbee1:

will try takes a moment

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ontopic:

pac1 whacks the side of his monitor to see if that helps.... It doesn't.

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gbee:

typical, less than a week after I go away, the root partition fills up on the myth box and nothing gets recorded for the following 10 days

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Seagate's on top, again: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/739 (specifically http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/739/10 ). Of course, they also said, "All 1 TB models we tested have a real capacity of 931.51 GB (1,953,525,168 sectors). As you may be aware, the capacity advertised by hard disk drive manufacturers isn't the real drive capacity." So, what do they know.

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sphery:

gbee: I know what you mean. My boxes only go down when I'm gone.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I'm most interested in not needing to return the drive to the manufacturer, and for that, Seagate has a lot of making up to do in my eyes

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Welcome back!

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sphery:

gbee: But, welcome back. We missed you. :) Hope you didn't miss anything too important.

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gbee:

thanks guys

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gbee:

not sure what I missed yet, pretty much forgotten what's on tv at the moment, suspect the important stuff will be repeated ...

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Yah, and their conclusion says that only an idiot wouldn't buy the Seagate because it's got the best speed/performance. But they completely discount uses where speed is irrelevant.

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sphery:

yeah, and if your schedules are like ours--where summer is the lull between new shows--there's likely not too much on now, anyway.

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newbee1:

ontopic, adding the folder to group did not solve the problem

[17:04:15]

ontopic:

did you restart the backend and the frontend?

[17:05:39]

newbee1:

yes

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newbee1:

i restarted both

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jduggan:

sphery: hollyoaks, eastenders, coronation street, they run all through the year ;]

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iamlindoro:

jduggan, Aren't those like soap operas?

[17:07:09]

jduggan:

iamlindoro: yea, was a subtle joke, implying gbee missed all his soap recordings

[17:07:12]

jduggan:

=]

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iamlindoro:

hehe

[17:07:23]

iamlindoro:

gotcha

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jduggan:

humour doesnt traverse irc so well :(

[17:07:51]

iamlindoro:

Just need to draw to local parallels

[17:08:08]

iamlindoro:

as my Grandmother calls them, her "stories"

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ontopic:

newbee1, lets take a look at your mythconfig.

[17:16:11]

ontopic:

What are you using for a tuner?

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gbee:

jduggan: heh :p

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newbee1:

ontopic i am using dvb-t

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ontopic:

What card?

[17:17:59]

newbee1:

ontopic Cardbus Avermedia e506r

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newbee1:

ontopic detected as zaralink

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newbee1:

ontopic where is the mythconfig file /etc/mythtv/config.xml is it the file?

[17:20:01]

newbee1:

the dbPort is 0 is it ok?

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wagnerrp:

apparently people stateside providing routing and proxies for Iran are getting attacked

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ontopic:

That's what mine is.

[17:21:09]

newbee1:

oki

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ontopic:

config.xml just sets up the database connection.

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ontopic:

oh by the way, did you change your hostname?

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newbee1:

no its localhost

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ontopic:

how about the one in /etc/hostname

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newbee1:

its home

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newbee1:

my ubuntu pc name is home

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ontopic:

did it change after you installed mythtv?

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newbee1:

no

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ontopic:

ok

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ontopic:

This could be a problem with the way you have the tuner set up or with the drivers for your card.

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ontopic:

what do you get for lsmod output (pastebin)

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ontopic:

newbee1 have you seen: http://mcentral.de/wiki/index.php5/AverMedia_ . . . _TV_FM_E506R

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newbee1:

yes my pastebin of lsmod is http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1467788

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newbee1:

that the install i did

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newbee1:

with kaffeine it works

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ontopic:

kaffeine?

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ontopic:

kde media player...

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newbee1:

yes

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ontopic:

how about you post dmesg output

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ontopic:

what's in /lib/firmware?

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newbee1:

my firmware is http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1467796

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ontopic:

newbee1 how about dmesg?

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ontopic:

by the way, if you've gotten this far you are not a newbee.

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newbee1:

ontopic u are right:)

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newbee1:

dmesg will come

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ontopic:

Mythbuntu-8.04? why not 8.10?

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newbee1:

i used apt get install

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newbee1:

but i am further

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newbee1:

i changed the channel to 65 and now it seems to work but very slow i get this on the console 2009-06–20 19:46:17.241 NVP: Prebuffer wait timed out 10 times

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newbee1:

have choosen another channel

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newbee1:

do you know how to switch the channels

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ontopic:

up and down arrows I think.

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newbee1:

proberbly the signals are weak =0:)

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newbee1:

oki will try

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ontopic:

also just try number keys

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ontopic:

gotta run. great day outside!

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newbee1:

now i get another error i think thats the channels i have to start with that one that everytime works. A great day here , too. =:)

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newbee1:

no with other channels the screen is black and no sound here is the output http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1467816

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newbee1:

ontopic will come in 10 Min back have to buy some Milk, smile

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newbee1:

i am back

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darkdrgn2k3:

any idea why my PVR150 is dropping frames:

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darkdrgn2k3:

ivtv0: All encoder MPG stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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darkdrgn2k3:

ivtv0: Cause: the application is not reading fast enough.

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** juski uninstalls XBMC *again* .Stinking load of bollocks **

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iamlindoro:

Oh now you've done it

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iamlindoro:

Now the horsemen of the apocalypse have to show up

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juski:

so sue me:)

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iamlindoro:

NOooooooooone expects the XBMC inquisition!

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juski:

at least now it actually loads & kinda does things

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juski:

erm.. apart from playing videos

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iamlindoro:

But it looks AWESOME while not playing them

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juski:

oh is that supposed to be a _plus_ point?

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juski:

it was also sucking up 50% CPU while not playing them

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iamlindoro:

Now I need to go find a conversation I had last night in the logs for you

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juski:

I saw it

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iamlindoro:

well good

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juski:

myth is great, but looks like arse compared to XBMC

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juski:

yada yada

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iamlindoro:

I was particularly proud of my comment about his mom

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iamlindoro:

WHY MUST THERE BE SO MANY SCREENS TO THEME

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juski:

what they mean is, if myth had pointless little animated bits which made screens take longer to appear than they notionally should....

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iamlindoro:

Every time I think I'm 99% done I discover some random screen I've never seen, let alone themed

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bsl:

Is there a terminal version of the mythtv-setup?

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bsl:

I just got it installed on my server, without xserver

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iamlindoro:

If you mean a text based version, no

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iamlindoro:

Then you'll need to forward X to a machine with X

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bsl:

I've never done that, can you give me a quick tip on where to start?

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iamlindoro:

from machine with X: ssh -Y user@ip.ad.dr.ess

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iamlindoro:

then run mythtv-setup

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bsl:

ok

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bsl:

thanks

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juski:

iamlindoro: don't worry about it. I seldom did :)

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

juski, Heh, well there are the few that I've taken a hard line on (MythArchive, the Video Manager) but everything else I hope to get done

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iamlindoro:

Hell, I even did MythFlix

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bsl:

iamlindoro: do you remember me? you've had to help me before

[19:10:23]

iamlindoro:

bsl, You all look the same to me ;)

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bsl:

heh, well i finally got all my HW and starting to setup

[19:10:52]

iamlindoro:

$lettersAndNumbers: Help! It says can't connect to database!

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iamlindoro:

k, good luck, it can be tough the first time but perseverence, some reading of the wiki, and a critical eye to the logs go a long way

[19:12:31]

iamlindoro:

And since you're running mythtv-setup, I'll note that the steps are numbered for a reason-- they are all required, they all must be done in order, and each step depends on properly doing the last

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bsl:

iamlindoro: do you recommend starting with mythbuntu on frontend or just installing myth from ubuntu

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juski:

I recommend RTFMing whatever you do

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bsl:

iamlindoro: i'm fairly linux savy

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iamlindoro:

For someone new to Myth, I strongly strongly recommend mythbuntu

[19:16:51]

iamlindoro:

Even with linux savvy, myth is still new and has enough moving parts that having some of the headache taken out of it is soooo welcome

[19:16:59]

juski:

I strongly recommend you avoid Joe Bloggs' blog page which contains how he 'got mythtv worky'

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iamlindoro:

yeah, ignore the blogs

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bsl:

juski: yeah i'm well ahead of that

[19:17:26]

bsl:

juski: i'm not the one to look for a blog saying "these are the steps to setup"

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bsl:

juski: I already have the wiki / manual open

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iamlindoro:

That makes you part of a minority :)

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juski:

whichever ubuntu route you choose, I'd recommend reading their community docs or in the case of mythbuntu their official manual

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bsl:

ok, i'll probably go with ubuntu standard install

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juski:

they're one of the distros which, in their attempt to make things easier for users, obsfurcate some parts of the install/config process – which sometimes works – but if you're trying to follow the official docs can confuse you

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** iamlindoro sometimes wonder why people ask questions they don't care about the answers to **

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juski:

step 1: make sure the blimmin hardware works in linux before installing mythtv

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bsl:

iamlindoro: I'm looking to learn as much as I can along the journey, so I sometimes attempt the harder route

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juski:

*especially* the tuner(s)

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iamlindoro:

most people are looking to have a functional system at the end of the day

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juski:

s/day/hour/minute

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iamlindoro:

But it's kinda rude to ask for a recommendation you intend to disregard

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bsl:

sorry :(

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juski:

hmmm wonder if the trouble I'm having is because I've not got any mpeg codecs installed here

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iamlindoro:

juski, This smells like that other OS

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juski:

iamlindoro: yup. haven't run loonix on my laptop for ages now

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juski:

anyway, that shouldn't be the issue since *cough* is meant to support this stuff out of the box

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juski:

ach well. best put it back in the recycle bin

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iamlindoro:

beats me why you keep trying

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juski:

curiosity more than anything else

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SRoss|home:

good afternoon

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juski:

iamlindoro: anyway, it sort of makes myth's delay before starting playback look more than bearable :)

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iamlindoro:

juski, Heh, well at least now we have the "Please Wait" screen in trunk, though there are a ton of places where long DB queries are going on and it would be nice to have a busy dialog

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iamlindoro:

juski, Did a paid medium sized install the last few weekends, and one of the valid points that came out of it is that Myth often does things in the background that make it look frozen

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juski:

better to not have to wait at all though :)

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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juski:

commenting out the ATSC font caching improved things no end here :D

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juski:

iamlindoro: btw re the theme stuff.. what's still needed is a team effort

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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juski:

I remember trying to theme mythgame & not really having a clue what it was supposed to look like cos I didn't even know how it worked

[19:39:32]

juski:

same with mythflix

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iamlindoro:

Heh, in that respect I've learned a lot about how certain plugins I never use work :)

[19:41:12]

juski:

I couldn't be arsed to get a load of ROMs & game images/whatever to check it out properly

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juski:

well, once it's all nicely mythui'd ...

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iamlindoro:

Did some magic to add fanart and boxart this week

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythgameplus.png

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythgameplus2.png

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juski:

nice :)

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juski:

I still want to do *something* theme related at some point but just CBA to pick up my crayons right now

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SRoss|home_:

so what's the state currently of Myth w/ OTA HD and NVidia graphics...Is it feasible to get HDMI output working properly?

[19:45:25]

SRoss|home_:

so what's the state currently of Myth w/ OTA HD and NVidia graphics...Is it feasible to get HDMI output working properly?

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iamlindoro:

yes

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iamlindoro:

yes

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SRoss|home_:

iamlindoro: last time I tried (1+ yrs. ago) it was not an easy thing do

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SRoss|home_:

is it easier now?

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iamlindoro:

If your HDMI out works w/ X, it'll work with Myth, since myth has nothing to do with it

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defaultro:

that's very cool iamlindoro :) nice shots

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iamlindoro:

defaultro, thanks

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defaultro:

what can mythgame play?

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Guest5311:

Anyone out there using hauppauge nova-t 500 and a pvr-350

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juski:

defaultro: nothing without emulators installed!

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defaultro:

i have not tried it

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defaultro:

ok

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defaultro:

are the instructions on our wiki regarding installing of the emulators?

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iamlindoro:

yep

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defaultro:

cool

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iamlindoro:

"Configuring MythGame" IIR

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iamlindoro:

IIRC

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defaultro:

k

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SRoss|home_:

iamlindoro: one of the issues I had was scaling...in Windows the screen was properly scaled for the HDMI out, on Linux, it was "zoomed" in, i.e. it wouldn't show the whole desktop/display

[19:47:44]

iamlindoro:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Configuring_MythGame_Emulation

[19:47:53]

iamlindoro:

SRoss|home, again, that pertains to Xorg setup

[19:48:04]

SRoss|home_:

iamlindoro: well, thanks, that's what I thought

[19:48:08]

iamlindoro:

but myth has built in tools for correcting overscan if you can't figure it out in X

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defaultro:

juski, I'm still a fan of your project grayhem and i'm still using it

[19:48:29]

SRoss|home_:

every iteration gets friendlier to non-linux-junkies, and I'm appreciative of that

[19:48:44]

defaultro:

thanks iamlindoro for the link

[19:48:55]

SRoss|home_:

has anyone done much with Netflix streaming, hulu, etc. on Myth?

[19:49:03]

SRoss|home_:

I think it's dependent on ActiveX, no?

[19:49:07]

iamlindoro:

Neither is currently possible in Myth

[19:49:13]

juski:

defaultro: bully for you

[19:49:18]

iamlindoro:

Well, you can launch mythbrowser and do both

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defaultro:

:)

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juski:

hrm. trying to work out wtf is up with mv*.png on my frontend

[19:49:45]

** iamlindoro wonders why the textedit widget is so very confused all the time **

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SRoss|home_:

iamlindoro: if I can do them w/ Mythbrowser, that makes me happy

[19:49:58]

iamlindoro:

SRoss|home, Yes, that much is doable

[19:50:14]

SRoss|home_:

awesome

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defaultro:

yeah, I would also like to connect my myth to hulu :)

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SRoss|home_:

now all I need to do is decide on a good "front-end" box for the other portion of the house

[19:50:43]

iamlindoro:

I think I pop hulu up in this: http://www.fecitfacta.com/graphite-preview2.ogv

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juski:

why are so many people clamouring to watch low quality streaming video? l-)

[19:51:48]

SRoss|home_:

juski: maybe because we don't get that particular content

[19:52:07]

SRoss|home_:

90%+ of the shows my family watches are on OTA HD

[19:52:07]

juski:

so? the default option is usually to do without, like in the old days :D

[19:52:21]

SRoss|home_:

getting the others would be wonderful (but not required)

[19:52:26]

juski:

more free time to do other, more useful things :)

[19:52:38]

SRoss|home_:

and netflix streaming is just fine on a small non-hd tv

[19:52:48]

juski:

since installing myth I actually watch far less television

[19:53:04]

juski:

but then I'm just weird

[19:53:11]

SRoss|home_:

juski: as in you watch more video that's captured?

[19:53:22]

juski:

no, I just watch far less TV full stop

[19:53:31]

juski:

probably less than an hour a day on average

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SRoss|home_:

one of the biggest reasons for me is being able to take old VHS and put them on there...the kids will use that

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juski:

myth is pointless for that task

[19:54:11]

SRoss|home_:

juski: I know there was a study that found people w/ DVR's watch less TV

[19:54:37]

SRoss|home_:

juski: the conversion will happen elsewhere, but being able to bring up the video file for The Lion King..that's useful

[19:55:49]

jduggan:

any of you been watching 'occupation'

[19:55:52]

jduggan:

good show

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jduggan:

=]

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juski:

iamlindoro: impressive video once again :)

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iamlindoro:

juski, Thanks, have cleaned up a ton since then, but few major new developments

[19:57:46]

juski:

all it needs is a teensy bit of UI animation & it should silence the whiners once & for all

[19:58:18]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, it's awaiting a bunch of the still pending MythUI stuff

[19:58:18]

juski:

if I could just get a handle on why that variable width button patch didn't work...

[19:58:38]

** iamlindoro casually wonders if gbee came back from vacation with a renewed sense of resolve to MythUI things :) **

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juski:

I hate not finishing stuff, but maybe starting again would help

[19:59:26]

juski:

I'm still annoyed by 'info' menu actions too

[19:59:34]

iamlindoro:

heh

[19:59:46]

juski:

lowest hanging fruit first, maybe

[20:00:04]

juski:

good for the motivation & all that

[20:00:10]

SRoss|home_:

what are some example remotes that work well w/ Myth nowadays (logitech harmonies?)

[20:00:25]

juski:

wouldn't recommend a logitech harmony

[20:00:33]

SRoss|home_:

juski: ok, thanks

[20:00:37]

juski:

simply not configurable enough

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iamlindoro:

The most commonly used one is a basic MCE remote, which I quite like

[20:00:56]

juski:

it works ok, is easy enough to configure BUT it's just not snappy enough

[20:01:23]

juski:

though apparently you can change the length of button presses in the 'troubleshooting' section (WTF?!)

[20:02:01]

juski:

100ms between button presses is as fast as it'll go too :(

[20:02:03]

SRoss|home_:

juski: I'm looking for a remote that works w/ Myth, and that I can also use w/ my other components

[20:02:23]

SRoss|home_:

the big ones are TV on/off and volume on my receiver/DVD player combo

[20:02:37]

juski:

I'm just disappointed because it's not as snappy as my OFA-6 (JP1 reprogrammed) remote

[20:02:43]

SRoss|home_:

obviously one to rule them all would be nice, but that's probably a pipe dream

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juski:

the activities stuff on it is nothing but a PITA too

[20:03:05]

juski:

unless your TV has discrete codes for all its inputs

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SRoss|home_:

juski: I have the remote that came w/ my FusionHDTV RT Gold

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juski:

I also despise the fact that it doesn't have designated keys to change devices

[20:03:45]

juski:

you have to press 'device' and then a virtual button

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SRoss|home_:

hmm

[20:04:28]

juski:

my OFA remote just has buttons you press to change functions, e.g. 'DVD', 'VCR' whereas the Harmony has virtual buttons which can be redefined

[20:04:37]

SRoss|home_:

yeah, I'm looking to go one of 2 ways: Either stay with the "multiple remotes" idea, or move to a remote that is wife-friendly

[20:04:43]

juski:

and the order of the device buttons changes too

[20:04:54]

SRoss|home_:

*and* the 2nd option would have to control all devices

[20:05:19]

juski:

I think if you're happy with 'activity' based remotes I'd opt for the harmony

[20:05:40]

SRoss|home_:

I have found "activity" based remotes to be more wife-friendly

[20:05:43]

juski:

but if pressing a button to change the remote's personality isn't below you, go for a OneForAll or something

[20:05:58]

juski:

wife friendly, but they SUCK if you know what you're doing

[20:06:26]

juski:

it's high time somebody did something about device interopability

[20:06:32]

SRoss|home_:

can you elaborate on the "if you know what you're doing"

[20:06:47]

juski:

like say, you want to turn the TV on, you press TV then POWER

[20:07:08]

juski:

then you want to use it for Myth so you press the VCR/DVR button

[20:07:21]

SRoss|home_:

ok, that's the "personality" option, correct?

[20:07:27]

juski:

rather than what I call frankly brain-dead 'activity' BS

[20:07:34]

juski:

yup

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SRoss|home_:

I'm torn there though

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juski:

my 515 is kinda halfway

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SRoss|home_:

the "activity" stuff is stupid-easy, which makes it wife/guest friendly

[20:08:21]

juski:

the problem is, the remote can all too easily lose track

[20:08:32]

SRoss|home_:

yeah

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SRoss|home_:

the "help" button has worked well on the Harmonies IME

[20:08:47]

juski:

i.e. if you ever switch between activity & personality modes it buggers up activities from then on

[20:09:03]

SRoss|home_:

hmm

[20:09:16]

juski:

I made a 'play wii' activity which is meant to turn on the TV, send it to av mode & select AV3

[20:09:18]

SRoss|home_:

my Father-in-Law's harmony hasn't had that issue that I've heard of

[20:09:20]

juski:

only it doesn't

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SRoss|home_:

ouch

[20:09:29]

GlemSom:

Is it somehow possible to detect if the attached device to HDMI is powerd on? (like trying to get EDID data or something?)

[20:09:57]

SRoss|home_:

GlemSom: you *could* look for EDID data, but it could not be sending any also

[20:10:17]

SRoss|home_:

GlemSom: that's going to depend on manufacturer's specs in design, etc.

[20:10:27]

juski:

my next telly had better be a load better at selecting inputs

[20:10:55]

juski:

f'ing Panasonic

[20:11:30]

juski:

there probably ARE discrete codes for everything but there's no information out there

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GlemSom:

SRoss|home_, Ok – the thing is... I can only power on my TV using IR – which isn't always 100% reliable... So I was wondering if I could double-check if the TV is on...

[20:11:57]

** sid3windr still pondering about getting the usb-cec bridge **

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sid3windr:

that way you could check if the tv is on, and control it

[20:12:15]

sid3windr:

only it's effin' expensive

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sid3windr:

and by expensive I mean $99

[20:12:48]

juski:

seen a lot of TVs with RS232 these days

[20:12:49]

sid3windr:

not deadly, but a bit steep for controlling your tv

[20:13:01]

sid3windr:

mine is supposed to have rs232 according to specs

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sid3windr:

("for manufacturer use only")

[20:13:15]

sid3windr:

only it's nowhere to be found on the actual tv

[20:13:33]

GlemSom:

Mine's a cheap Zepto LCD TV... no RS232 connection there :/

[20:13:43]

juski:

Zepto? LOL

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sid3windr:

Zepto Bismol

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iamlindoro:

Harpto, grouchto

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juski:

rebadged by Krapton Inc?

[20:14:18]

jduggan:

what are we, TV snobs? =]

[20:14:41]

juski:

prolly nothing wrong with it, just the names they pick are laughable sometimes

[20:14:43]

sid3windr:

so when will mythtv play dvd iso's !

[20:14:50]

juski:

it does!

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sid3windr:

noo it doesn't !

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juski:

bleddy does here

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sid3windr:

it plays udf rips! not iso9660 you make !

[20:15:08]

sid3windr:

:]

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sid3windr:

juski: you must know this: is there a secret commits list where only commits and clueful bug entries are posted instead of everything reported into trac? :>

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juski:

I dunno, I was never told the secret handshake

[20:16:22]

sphery:

sid3windr: yeah, and I really want someone to close http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6621 , since it's invalid

[20:17:34]

sid3windr:

:)

[20:17:43]

sid3windr:

don't evade the issue! you must fix libdvdnav!

[20:17:46]

sid3windr:

NAO!

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sphery:

It was designed to play DVD's, so they need to be DVD's.

[20:17:50]

sid3windr:

hehehe

[20:18:02]

sphery:

If nothing else, it's a feature request without a patch

[20:18:13]

sid3windr:

apparently it doesn't get fixed swiftly enough since it's been entered twice now

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gbee:

iamlindoro: I came back exhausted and in need of a holiday ...

[20:18:16]

iamlindoro:

Let's get to the core of the issue: Why doesn't libdvdnav play my laserdiscs?

[20:18:17]

sid3windr:

probably by the same person

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sid3windr:

oooh karaoke discs?

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iamlindoro:

gbee, d'oh!

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sid3windr:

it's fun to stay at the !

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iamlindoro:

gbee, But I need you to finish the notification widget and the video widget and the... and get me a pony!

[20:19:40]

gbee:

it will probably be a week or so before I get back into mythtv related things, I need to straighten out stuff now I'm back home first

[20:19:56]

juski:

my holiday was nice & relaxing, apart from the inlaws interrupting

[20:20:08]

juski:

good job they were staying at a different hotel though :D

[20:21:34]

juski:

all went for a drink on Thursday night & they insisted on going to 'lively' English pubs. All of them featured Karaoke & football on big screens. The karaoke btw was all maudlin songs, absolutely tuneless. no wonder everybody looked depressed when we'd walked past them earlier :D

[20:21:40]

iamlindoro:

I could also use the variable buttonsize patch from justin

[20:21:42]

iamlindoro:

;)

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juski:

I'll start that from scratch if I pick it up again – or rather from where wossisname left off

[20:22:23]

iamlindoro:

Not writing any more MythUI patches myself, those just get closed out of spite

[20:22:26]

sphery:

heh, #6642 ... IMHO, if you're running both trunk and -fixes on your network, you should know enough to not need Myth to tell you which DB is being upgraded.

[20:22:49]

trisooma:

i got a segfault on svn 21-fixes r20592

[20:23:00]

trisooma:

can someone help me

[20:23:15]

iamlindoro:

once you have a backtrace per the manual from a debug build, someone surely can

[20:23:29]

trisooma:

yup, got one

[20:23:40]

sphery:

pastebin?

[20:24:07]

iamlindoro:

yeah, shepry's smart, he'll do it ;)

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iamlindoro:

sphery

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iamlindoro:

Good ol shep-ree

[20:25:02]

shepry:

You were right the first time.

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trisooma:

http://pastebin.com/d5a23bbc1

[20:26:00]

trisooma:

it's a fedora 11 (svn-fixes r 20592)

[20:26:06]

shepry:

trisooma: what were you doing in there? and is this mythfrontend?

[20:26:22]

trisooma:

it's a trace from fontend

[20:26:32]

trisooma:

first mythtv-setup -> OK

[20:26:40]

trisooma:

mythfrontend -> segfault

[20:26:50]

trisooma:

now once and again the setup segfaults too

[20:27:05]

trisooma:

i traced it to a call to show() (some qt call?)

[20:27:14]

shepry:

Have you tried: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=qt

[20:27:40]

trisooma:

nope, doesn't use qt by default?

[20:28:02]

trisooma:

hang on, will try...

[20:28:19]

shepry:

default is Qt, but still worth a try

[20:28:32]

shepry:

I'm thinking it won't help, though

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trisooma:

right, i didn't

[20:31:11]

shepry:

then the second time, you should try: mythfrontend --disable-autodiscovery

[20:31:18]

shepry:

any chance you still have the log from that?

[20:31:33]

shepry:

(guess you could always grab another :)

[20:31:45]

shepry:

reproducible segfaults are nice that way :)

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trisooma:

nope again, want me to do backtraces of both?

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sphery:

no need... How about a log, though

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juski:

hrm. what were the default names of the folder images for mythvideo's gallery view?

[20:33:19]

sphery:

folder.jpg (and a couple other extensions), IIRC

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sphery:

don't know how that differs in trunk, though

[20:33:44]

wagnerrp:

same in trunk

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iamlindoro:

with a fallback to "anything"

[20:33:54]

wagnerrp:

at least 'folder.jpg' still works

[20:34:11]

iamlindoro:

note that that behavior is changed/broken when SGs come into the picture

[20:34:16]

juski:

no I mean the things mythfrontend uses as icons to depict selected folders etc

[20:34:21]

juski:

mv_gallery et al

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juski:

mv_gallery_back_reg.png is what I've got (etc) but they don't seem to be working here

[20:34:42]

iamlindoro:

mv_gallery_dir_up.png

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juski:

wonder if it's a perms issue then

[20:34:57]

iamlindoro:

mv_gallery_dir.png

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iamlindoro:

etc.

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sphery:

juski: don't be getting our hopes up too much

[20:35:43]

juski:

ruh?

[20:35:53]

sphery:

you're talking theming stuff...

[20:36:26]

juski:

just need to replace the default orange looking icons on my 0.21 frontend, which isn't working for some inexplicable reason

[20:36:27]

sphery:

I'm imagining all the wonderful things you could do now that you have mythui in addition to your talent :)

[20:37:01]

juski:

I wouldn't bet your house on me doing _anything_ myth related in future

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trisooma:

sphery: backtrace #1 (qt painter) http://pastebin.com/d664ef3ac backtrace2@ (dis auto) http://pastebin.com/m403f192f

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juski:

hrm. all the filenames are right. the images look fine but for some reason mythvideo still isn't using the ones in the theme root dir :-\

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juski:

wonder if clearing the themecache would help any

[20:44:44]

juski:

dates back to last year, possibly before I changed the icon images

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sphery:

trisooma: got mythfrontend logs/terminal output?

[20:45:07]

trisooma:

sphery: sure, hang on...

[20:48:50]

sphery:

trisooma: btw, I only need one log file--don't need to reproduce it with those different options

[20:49:07]

trisooma:

sphery: console#1 (qt painter) http://pastebin.com/m6f79cc09 logfile#2 (dis auto) http://pastebin.com/m14409b46

[20:49:13]

trisooma:

got 'em already

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sphery:

sorry... thought of that too late

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sphery:

what video card/drivers?

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sphery:

it looks to me like an error that's outside of Myth (in X/video drivers)

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sphery:

ohhhh... X

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sphery:

#

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sphery:

warning: .dynamic section for "/usr/lib/libXv.so.1" is not at the expected address

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trisooma:

chipset: VIA Technologies, Inc. CN896/VN896/P4M900 [Chrome 9 HC] (rev 01) – dirver: openchrome

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sphery:

lib issues

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trisooma:

good, issues sonds fixable

[20:51:13]

trisooma:

*sounds

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sphery:

wonder if you can start without prelink

[20:51:32]

sphery:

Ubuntu?

[20:51:38]

trisooma:

fedora

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trisooma:

how would i go about that?

[20:51:53]

sphery:

can you do a: file /usr/bin/mythfrontend

[20:52:00]

sphery:

is it a script or a binary?

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trisooma:

is in local.. and its an executable

[20:54:06]

sphery:

OK. I'm going to guess that's not really a problem, then--as others would likely be affected.

[20:54:19]

sphery:

though I still think it may be an issue with your X/video

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sphery:

(looks like fedora runs a cron job that goes through and adjusts all binaries on the system for prelink, so...)

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trisooma:

too bad, openchrome drivers are not my fave

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trisooma:

could i force themepainter to use something other than qt

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sphery:

qt is the most likely to work

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iamlindoro:

opengl

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sphery:

but if you do: mythfrontend -O ThemePainter=opengl

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sphery:

you get opengl

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trisooma:

i see

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sphery:

worth a try, though

[20:57:18]

trisooma:

and again.. segfault...

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trisooma:

I tried using the vesa driver too (no luck either)

[20:58:39]

trisooma:

so any ideas why the setup works?

[20:58:46]

trisooma:

does it not use qt?

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sphery:

Let's try: mythfrontend -O Theme=blue

[21:00:03]

trisooma:

nope, segfault again

[21:00:26]

sphery:

unfortunately, there's really no information about the thread in which it's crashing

[21:00:47]

sphery:

seems to be crashing when trying to create the thread

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sphery:

#

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sphery:

#4 0x0807328b in run_priv_thread (data=0x0) at main.cpp:858

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trisooma:

prolly somewhere in openchrome

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sphery:

actuallly...

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sphery:

try: mythfrontend -O RealtimePriority=0

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trisooma:

hmmm, what if i tried another video card

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sphery:

no luck with the realtimeprio?

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trisooma:

nope

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trisooma:

then we might rule out video

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sphery:

might be worth a try.

[21:07:36]

sphery:

I don't see any smoking guns

[21:07:46]

sphery:

and I'm out of ideas for things to try.

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trisooma:

oke, thanks – locating a videocard will definitely take some time

[21:09:47]

trisooma:

so i'll try that tomorrow

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sphery:

good luck

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, See if you can get Yeechang to cite references on his claim the HD-PVR can do multisliced now, I have heard no such thing

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wagnerrp:

i have no idea HOW a firmware update would result in multisliced recordings

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** psm321_ looking for cheap qam (yes i know i'll only get clear qam)/atsc tuner recommendations **

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wagnerrp:

PCI or PCIe

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psm321_:

probably PCI

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Per Steven Toth at Hauppauge, the hardware doesn't support it

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psm321_:

tho i might be building a new system so if theres cheap PCIe ones it would be good to know about those too

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wagnerrp:

i would go for an 800i (if you can find one on sale), or maybe a kworld (is it the 115 that doesn't support QAM?)

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iamlindoro:

120 doesn't

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iamlindoro:

110 and 115 do

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wagnerrp:

for pcie, my HVR-1250 was painless

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psm321_:

yeah i have 2 800i's already

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psm321_:

got them for $20 at woot, but looks like they go for $80 otherwise

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psm321_:

which is too much for me :)\

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wagnerrp:

the 1250 is readily available for 45–50, which is about as cheap as you find normal retail for an ATSC tuner

[21:39:12]

wagnerrp:

i think the kworlds get down around 40

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psm321_:

ok

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psm321_:

thanks :)

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iamlindoro:

I really like the 1250 a lot, probably the most painless QAM tuner I've bought

[21:39:49]

iamlindoro:

HDHR was painless to set up, but don't own one so can't speak to using it over time

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wagnerrp:

below that, and you just have to hope for deals like the semi-frequent 800i on woot

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sphery:

psm321_: http://linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/ATSC_PCI_Cards

[21:40:06]

psm321_:

so, anyone have theories on whether comcast will get a waiver to enable privacy mode on the DTAs? (trying to decide whether to invest lots of effort into getting a clear QAM setup going)

[21:40:37]

wagnerrp:

i strugged getting my HDHR set up for a bit

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iamlindoro:

Nobody could possibly offer you more than a 50% guess at being right

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wagnerrp:

but that was because i set up the wrong subnet on my backend

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wagnerrp:

so the broadcast address was wrong

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psm321_:

iamlindoro: true :) just wanted to see what people thought

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iamlindoro:

I think that if they do, it will take them long enough that QAM is still well worth getting set up

[21:41:21]

wagnerrp:

aside from that, there are reports of the HDHR spontaneously dying and needing power cycling

[21:41:38]

wagnerrp:

but ive had that happen once in 7 months of relatively frequent use

[21:41:56]

wagnerrp:

although its also about $75/tuner

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psm321_:

also, whats the name of the feature that lets you record multiple sunchannels at once? (i read about it a while ago, want to look more into it now that i'm setting up digital, but don't know the name to search on)

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iamlindoro:

multirec

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iamlindoro:

It's a totally "hand off" feature, though

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iamlindoro:

nothing to read about, per se, when setting up the card you edit "recording Settings" and set max recording to > 1, and you're done

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psm321_:

oh cool

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iamlindoro:

myth handles all the scheduling automatically to use tuners optimally

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psm321_:

back when i read about it you had to set up multiple fake cards or something

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iamlindoro:

It's always been this way

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iamlindoro:

they appear as virtual tuner cards, but it's just one number box to change

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psm321_:

oh ok, must have misread back then

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psm321_:

k

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psm321_:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, I've painted myself into a corner

[21:48:22]

iamlindoro:

only MythWeather remains

[21:48:27]

iamlindoro:

and now I can't avoid it any more

[21:48:50]

iamlindoro:

Well, I can avoid it by getting a beer

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psm321_:

is there any reason not to set the number as high as possible? just hard drive speed?

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iamlindoro:

IO, some cards don't have good hardware PID filters

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iamlindoro:

I set to 5, personally

[21:51:33]

iamlindoro:

but much higher is entirely possible. In the US, little is gained from multirec, usually

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iamlindoro:

but IMO it's still worth having it on just to catch the occasional instance where it might help

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psm321_:

iamlindoro: well, i'm not too familiar with digital tech/terminology, but multiplex = "channel" right? or no?

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psm321_:

because comcast has all the clear channels as subchannels of only 9 main channels

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thedarkone:

is 1024x768 480p?

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iamlindoro:

Generally speaking, yes, a single muiltiplex occupies a single 6 Mhz channel width, which can contain many of what we aactually consider channels

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iamlindoro:

thedarkone, not even close-- 720x480

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psm321_:

plus i have lots of issues with catching beginnings and ends of consecutive recordings, so i'm excited about getting that fixed (at some point i had even thought of trying to get that part working on analog for that reason but never got the time to put into it)

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iamlindoro:

thedarkone, the number in those terms is the vertical measurement

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iamlindoro:

ie 720p = 1280x720, 1080p = 1920x1080

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iamlindoro:

480 = 720x480

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iamlindoro:

576 = 720x576

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psm321_:

iamlindoro: so then for comcast it would actually be a huge advantage for me given that i record lots of stuff, its very likely that there'll be 2 things on the same multiplex that i want

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thedarkone:

wonder why this video card only wants to do 1024x768

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iamlindoro:

psm321_, It's not for comcast, but rather for your particular comcast headend. All headends are engineered in vastly different ways

[21:55:25]

iamlindoro:

but you'll need to experiment and see whether it's of any use to you

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psm321_:

yeah osrry

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psm321_:

yep

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psm321_:

i have a testbed myth system that i've been using occasionally to play with digital, kicking that into full gear getting stuff set up for the next few months

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psm321_:

until the real analog transition for me, in october :) (thats when comcast cuts off most analog in my area)

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psm321_:

*digital transition

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psm321_:

lucky for them they had to put everything in clear, otherwise i was going to cancel when they dropped analog :)

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psm321_:

except i also need to get a good antenna cause theres some nice OTA channels i get that arent on comcast :)

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thedarkone:

if i do 720 it overscan way too much

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thedarkone:

same with 1080

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wagnerrp:

thedarkone: overscan is a function of life with mythtv

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wagnerrp:

all analog TVs do it

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wagnerrp:

most digital TVs do it

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wagnerrp:

rather all digital TVs do it, but some offer an option to turn it off

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->Screen Setup Wizards

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wagnerrp:

yeah, just use the adjustment wizard in mythtv that iamlindoro pointed to

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wagnerrp:

it seems tcpdump (or at least my build of it) does not support ipv6

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iamlindoro:

Blah, one of three MythWeather screens done

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, it's way more than three

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iamlindoro:

effin MythWeather

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iamlindoro:

I don't even have *access* to some of these views

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sphery:

psm321_: probably the long, complex, set-up-multiple-fake-cards description you read was my description of how people who actually waste time with LiveTV can configure it so that LiveTV gets its own tuner even if a recording is in progress

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sphery:

not worth learning unless you think LiveTV is more important than recordings

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dvdjimmy:

hello

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sphery:

or you hear way too many people complain about "LiveTV is broken because I have to hit one button to switch cards sometimes" and you want to find a way to get them to stop complaining

[22:25:12]

sphery:

hello, dvdjimmy

[22:25:38]

dvdjimmy:

hi

[22:25:56]

dvdjimmy:

I am a little bit confused :(

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dvdjimmy:

my setup with two dvb-c cards is not working

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dvdjimmy:

somehow I suddenly get plenty of transport settings which correlate to dvb-s

[22:27:36]

dvdjimmy:

and then I get errors that he cannot tune to a specific channel

[22:28:21]

dvdjimmy:

I wonder if there is a way to setup the transport and channel stuff directly by a config file

[22:28:38]

dvdjimmy:

this way I do not have to use the TV gui all the time

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sphery:

dvdjimmy: I don't know anything about DVB-*, but (assuming you had it set up once) you do, so I'd recommend: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[22:29:26]

sphery:

use the GUI, though--the import of channels.conf doesn't work very well since there's a /lot/ of info Myth needs that's not in channels.conf

[22:30:12]

sphery:

basically, the approach I recommend is to clear the video sources (channels)/capture cards as if you're setting it up for the first time

[22:30:35]

sphery:

usually, "weird" problems where something quits working when you add a new card are due to garbage getting left in the DB

[22:30:37]

dvdjimmy:

thx for your link

[22:30:49]

sphery:

hope it help

[22:30:50]

dvdjimmy:

ok, I will try to delete everything

[22:31:01]

dvdjimmy:

but how do I setup the scan afterwards

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sphery:

make sure you use "Delete all ..." or it's not deleting everything

[22:31:15]

dvdjimmy:

do I have to give him some kind of initial frequency?

[22:31:24]

dvdjimmy:

ok, I will take care of that

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sphery:

no, should select a frequency table and then do a full scan

[22:32:02]

sphery:

myth should take care of the rest

[22:32:26]

sphery:

if you have a multi-core/multi-proc system, start mythtv-setup with: taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup

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sphery:

before the scan (or it will likely segfault)

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dvdjimmy:

hmm...I think for a dvb-c setup this is not working

[22:33:03]

dvdjimmy:

I mean the frequency table

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sphery:

generally, you want to set the mythtv-setup setting for default frequency table to the one you use (i.e. Europe East) and then leave the setting in the input connection (or video source?) at default

[22:35:09]

sphery:

it /should/ work, though--being in the US--I've never tried it with DVB

[22:35:26]

dvdjimmy:

hmm...ok, i just deleted everything and now I am setting up the cards first and then the video sources and input connections

[22:35:32]

dvdjimmy:

then I should be able to scan :)

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dvdjimmy:

hopefully

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dvdjimmy:

I am from germany

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sphery:

that's the right process

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dvdjimmy:

therefore I will choose europe west I think

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sphery:

make sure you connect inputs in the order of preference--i.e. most preferred input first, then second most, etc.

[22:36:28]

sphery:

can do one from one backend, then one from another, then one from first, etc or whatever to spread the load

[22:36:46]

sphery:

yeah, was just guessing on Europe East/West :)

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dvdjimmy:

ok, in my case I have just one system which is a combined backend/frontend

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dvdjimmy:

with the two dvb-c devices

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dvdjimmy:

:)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythweather1.png

[22:37:18]

iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythweather2.png

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iamlindoro:

blahhhhhhhhh stupid mythweather

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iamlindoro:

UGH, okay, I am not hunting down a script that will do these other Mythweather views just to theme them

[22:38:46]

psm321_:

sphery: i dont really use livetv much, but where do i find this description? (i have the feeling it would give me more insight into how this actually works, and i love knowing how things work... plus it's good to know in case i ever do decide to do it)

[22:38:47]

iamlindoro:

People who use MythWeather are sterile child molesting terrorists anyway

[22:40:18]

sphery:

iamlindoro: looks good, but that's not my city. Aren't you theming it specifically for me?

[22:40:36]

iamlindoro:

There's no listing for Guantanamo Bay, terrorist!

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sphery:

psm321_: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/dev/369358#369358

[22:42:34]

sphery:

iamlindoro: heh... OK, fine. I don't use MythWeather.

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sphery:

though it seems to be set up

[22:43:11]

sphery:

(just tried to start it--slow to download first time)

[22:44:24]

sphery:

iamlindoro: at least the way you did it, it works for people in CA and TX

[22:44:45]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Howzat?

[22:44:54]

sphery:

San Jose, TX and San Jose, CA

[22:45:09]

iamlindoro:

indeed

[22:45:14]

iamlindoro:

and costa rica, most likely

[22:45:16]

psm321_:

hmm, looks like the max is 5 anyway

[22:45:21]

sphery:

true

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sphery:

seems CA, IL too, plus a lot of overseas places

[22:46:08]

iamlindoro:

psm321_, That's just hard codec in the code, and is considered the optimal max-- many more are possible with a code hack

[22:46:21]

sphery:

coded

[22:46:30]

iamlindoro:

yeah

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psm321_:

yay, more custom hacks :)

[22:47:51]

sphery:

so, still hasn't brought up MythWeather.

[22:47:53]

psm321_:

(my copy of myth is already a bit hacked up)

[22:47:55]

sphery:

Guess it's not so much set up

[22:48:15]

sphery:

just enough (from the first time I installed the new MW) to confuse it into not complaining

[22:49:00]

iamlindoro:

sphery, back out once, then pop back in

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iamlindoro:

First load fails frequently

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sphery:

tried that

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iamlindoro:

ah

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sphery:

the 2nd time waited about 3mins

[22:49:32]

iamlindoro:

psm321_, Note that bad things can happen if you make that change

[22:49:43]

iamlindoro:

5 is there because most cards have hardware pid filters up to that number

[22:49:53]

iamlindoro:

go beyond it, and you could cause real problems on some cards

[22:50:06]

iamlindoro:

like teen pregnancy

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dvdjimmy:

now it seems to work

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dvdjimmy:

thx sphery

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sphery:

you're welcome

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iamlindoro:

sphery, you're my hero!

[22:50:43]

sphery:

glad it's working

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sphery:

enjoy

[22:51:10]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I set all mine to 1--I /really/ want to avoid that problem

[22:51:39]

iamlindoro:

multirec has yet to actually help, but I life for the moment when it finally does

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iamlindoro:

live

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psm321_:

iamlindoro: anywhere i can learn more about how all this works? (i.e. what hardware pid filters are, etc)

[22:52:03]

iamlindoro:

stupid hooked on phonics box lies

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iamlindoro:

libs/libmythtv/*

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psm321_:

looks like its mostly an issue of bandwidth for grabbing the whole channel vs specific parts?

[22:55:25]

iamlindoro:

no, the channel will always be a max of #8 megabit, which is trivial

[22:55:28]

iamlindoro:

er 38

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iamlindoro:

bandwidth is not the issue-- as I said, PID filters are the issue

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dvdjimmy:

thx and n8 sphery

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iamlindoro:

I strongly advise not mucking with the code until you figure out whether you *need* >5 max recordings from a single tuner

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iamlindoro:

which you don't

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psm321_:

ok

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psm321_:

but i still want to understand the issue... its the cpu used for doing the filtering in software?

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sphery:

iamlindoro: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0409043/ = http://www.themoviedb.org/movie/11701 , but 'sup with the plot? http://pastebin.ca/1468144

[22:57:52]

iamlindoro:

Would I have called them a *hardware PID filter* if it was done in software, psm321_ ?

[22:58:08]

sphery:

granted, there's no plot in tmdb, but where'd the Angelina Jolie bio come from?

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psm321_:

sorry i'm not being clear, i meant the problem that arises from not having enough hw pid filters

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psm321_:

n/m, i'll just google around some more :)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I see two identical plots here

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sphery:

identical to mine? The Angelina Jolie bio?

[22:59:41]

iamlindoro:

only looked at the first two links, sorry

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iamlindoro:

yeah, that's got to be a DB or API error, I'd report it

[23:00:04]

sphery:

Oh, yeah, the plot's in tmdb...

[23:00:25]

sphery:

looked at the wrong place on the web page (light gray on dark gray isn't ideal, IMHO)

[23:00:38]

sphery:

ticket you think, or a sidebar with meshe? :)

[23:00:57]

sphery:

guess I could just try to fix it.

[23:02:13]

iamlindoro:

I don't think it's a grabber issue, do you?

[23:02:25]

sphery:

Oh... DB is sending bad info...

[23:02:25]

iamlindoro:

have you tried the API query in a browser?

[23:02:36]

** sphery stares blankly **

[23:02:50]

iamlindoro:

You can look at the returned XML if you format your query in a web browser

[23:03:00]

iamlindoro:

and see what comes back for the plot attribute

[23:03:25]

iamlindoro:

you could figure out why the textedit widget alway looks like horrible ass, that would be helpful :)

[23:03:50]

sphery:

wondering if it's easier to dump $xml

[23:05:14]

iamlindoro:

http://api.themoviedb.org/2.0/Movie.imdbLooku . . . 009380562c62

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iamlindoro:

bad DB info

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iamlindoro:

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY SCREENS

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sphery:

guess the web browser approach was easier

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sphery:

(as I just got the hash print working)

[23:08:16]

sphery:

but, both show the same result :)

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sphery:

thanks for the help.

[23:08:22]

sphery:

I'll report it.

[23:08:22]

iamlindoro:

Every once in a long while I am right :)

[23:08:24]

iamlindoro:

np

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wagnerrp:

does each input script come with its own screen?

[23:10:28]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It's mostly the pain of all the setup screens, not just mythweather, but mythwide

[23:10:57]

iamlindoro:

and while each is getting plugged into a similarly themed space, they all have different assortments of widgets, each of which need to be hand massaged into someplace that looks OK

[23:11:19]

juski:

meh

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iamlindoro:

so it's like, move 5 pixels over, exit, enter, move three pixels back, enter, exit

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iamlindoro:

again

[23:11:24]

iamlindoro:

and again

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iamlindoro:

and again

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juski:

til somebody writes a theme editor

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sphery:

I remember doing this once before--spending forever looking for the place to open a new ticket for tmdb (at http://meticulo.lighthouseapp.com/ ).

[23:11:38]

iamlindoro:

not it!

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sphery:

Ahhh, the big grey button on big grey background.

[23:12:53]

sphery:

meticulo(usly) hidden

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juski:

thing is though iamlindoro if more of myth's screens were alike we'd end up with suckage like ****

[23:13:25]

iamlindoro:

uh oh

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iamlindoro:

don't you know they have a python plugin for converting *** to text?

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juski:

lol

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sphery:

iamlindoro: probably shouldn't put the MythTV API key in the ticket, right (even though it's publically available by downloading tmdb.pl)?

[23:15:19]

iamlindoro:

probably not

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juski:

devil & deep blue sea as far as the # of screens vs xml files innit

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sphery:

trying to provide a link showing the incorrect info

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sphery:

OK. I'm sure Travis knows one :)

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iamlindoro:

juski, Every time I think I'm close...

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juski:

no theme is ever finished. nobody told you that yet? ;-)

[23:16:18]

juski:

you'll never leave!

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juski:

be thankful it's not as bad as with **** though. they don't seem to have any inheritance – or at least the evidence I've looked at seems to point that way

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juski:

zillions of xml files

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iamlindoro:

yeah, I noticed the lack of inheritance

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iamlindoro:

and the <area> tag, too

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iamlindoro:

<firstword>each</firstword> <secondword>thing</secondword> <thirdword>is</thirdword> <fourthword>seperate</fourthword>

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juski:

still, have to admire the skinner's tenacity eh ;-)

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iamlindoro:

teams

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juski:

73@mz

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psm321_:

heres an interesting question, for digital, does myth "know" when it's getting an imperfect/corrupted recording (due to signal not being strol enough or something), and if so, can i get it to tell me?

[23:20:21]

juski:

nope

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wagnerrp:

no

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juski:

and nope

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iamlindoro:

negative!

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wagnerrp:

mythtv doesnt even know when its not recording

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juski:

although in an ideal world your signal would be nice all the time

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juski:

and we'd all own ponies

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wagnerrp:

it will print out an error message, give you a 0-byte file, and not reschedule

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iamlindoro:

you could probably do something neat where you kicked femon on whenever myth was recording and if biterror went above a certain threshhold, have it e-mail you

[23:21:09]

iamlindoro:

but that would all be scripts, and outside of myth entirely

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wagnerrp:

hey, something to put on the feature request page on the wiki!

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iamlindoro:

haha

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sphery:

wagnerrp: no error message, even

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sphery:

iamlindoro: look how much more data you get with the tmdb getInfo (versus imdbLookup): http://api.themoviedb.org/2.0/Movie.getInfo?i . . . 009380562c62

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wagnerrp:

sphery: well it will give you one if the recording fails altogether

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psm321_:

ok, so mythtv doesnt support it but it is theoretically possible? (i.e. does a card give my a "corrected" stream or does it give me the stream corrupted so i can tell?)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I know

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juski:

psm321_: it gives the stream _as_ _is_

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I have been bitching about this for ages

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sphery:

we need to get the per-provider ID's in there

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juski:

so if you put crap in, you get crap out

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psm321_:

juski: ok, so theoretically, a program could figure out that it got a corrupted mpeg stream, or a perfect one

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juski:

psm321_: with DTV there's error correction built in. any crap you get is what it can't correct

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wagnerrp:

and you know what they say about fecal matter...

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sphery:

iamlindoro: and, now that you mentioned that the plot is identical to the imdb plot, I feel I must edit it.

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juski:

#1 – improve thine signal

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juski:

#2 – improve thine signal

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juski:

#3 see #1 and #2

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psm321_:

sure, but since i dont watch every recording immediatel;y, it would be good to know when i have a problem and need to do #1,#2,#3

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juski:

set & forget :)

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juski:

if your signal is going crap from time to time, you need to fix it

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psm321_:

sometimes thats just not possible :)

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juski:

bah

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psm321_:

alsa, how does EAS work? i'm asuming its just a message that cable boxes respond to and switch channel so that would just be ignored?

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juski:

fix the problem, not the symptom

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iamlindoro:

I declare that the video manager can suck it

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iamlindoro:

and should be ripped out

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sphery:

it's not getting ripped out?

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iamlindoro:

I sure hope so

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jomido:

I'm having some trouble starting mythtv-setup: http://pastebin.com/m4b7f8ff9

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iamlindoro:

nothing in your pastebin is a fatal error

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jomido:

ok well it doesn't start after that, just drops back to a prompt

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jomido:

oh sorry, add a seg fault after that

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sphery:

Fedora 11?

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jomido:

yup

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sphery:

you're running it as root

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jomido:

correct

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sphery:

what will the backend run as?

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sphery:

(or who)

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jomido:

hang on ill check

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xris:

someone have a link to the european xmltv data provider?

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jomido:

same

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jomido:

root

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jomido:

(started using the provided init-script)

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sphery:

xris: http://xmltv.info/ ?

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jomido:

and yes, selinux is disabled

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xris:

sphery: I think there's a commercial one

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jomido:

it was working fine a few minutes ago, then mysteriously stopped

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laga:

www.epgdata.com?

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xris:

laga: that's probably it, thx

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sphery:

ahh... that's it

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sphery:

I knew laga had just told me when I was editing the xmltv page for Germany (because he mentioned 2 that were there were dead), but I copy/pasted the wrong link)

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xris:

looking at options for getting SD into the international market

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jomido:

ive tried mythtvfrontend --reset as well with no luck

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sphery:

jomido: I don't know what might be causing it. You can try getting a (proper) backtrace ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging --and then once you figure out how to get a backtrace using the RPMS, update the wiki page with the instructions :).

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sphery:

The backtrace is really the only way to figure out what's causing it.

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sphery:

But, I will say that someone was in here just a bit ago having a similar problem on F11. mythtv-setup worked fine, then mythfrontend started segfaulting.

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sphery:

So, it's quite possible that the packages are just broken.

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sphery:

only a backtrace could tell :)

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Woosta:

I'm sure this has been asked before, but the google isn't helping me. I can get my DVB card to show digital tv in Kaffeine, but a channel scan in myth is giving me nothing. Is there any way to import the channels from Kaff.?

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sphery:

better option is to figure out the mythtv scan

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sphery:

importing (rather than scanning in mythtv-setup) doesn't work well because the file that you import doesn't have all the necessary info

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sphery:

Woosta: increase your timeouts (to the max if necessary)

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Woosta:

I'll try that

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sphery:

Woosta: and realize that you must start the scan and walk away--it takes a long time

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sphery:

if you start hitting keys, you'll exit the scan and then "it will give you nothing" :)

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iamlindoro:

AHHHHh ahahahahahahahahaha I just discovered MORE SCREENS

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Woosta:

Wow .. that certainly slows the scan down

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Woosta:

But, if it finds channels, I'm a happy bunny

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jomido:

sphery: i'm actually having problems with mythtv-setup as well

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jomido:

and it was working fine, very strange

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sphery:

jomido: yeah, it's the "worked, then didn't" part that seems similar

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Woosta:

During the scan, should I be seeing information about found channels int he window behind the scanner?

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Woosta:

All I'm seeing is Timeout Scanning type messages

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jomido:

i think I might go back to f10

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jomido:

the ati fglrx drivers arent working with the f11 kernel(s) yet anyway

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jomido:

so this is kind of an exercise in futility

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sphery:

Woosta: wait for all of it

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Woosta:

ok

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sphery:

Woosta: it scans all channels and that means a /lot/ of no channels

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Woosta:

yeah, but 20% of the way through I would have expected at least one channel .. but I'll leave it

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sphery:

what kind of TV, by the way?

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sphery:

DVB-? or ATSC or QAM or ...

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Woosta:

DVB-T

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Woosta:

.au

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sphery:

ok... (making sure it wasn't something like DVB-S2, which isn't supported)

[23:53:24]

Woosta:

ahh

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Woosta:

Glad it's not then :-D

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sphery:

and you did choose the right default frequency table for Australia?

[23:54:04]

Woosta:

I chose 'australia' at every oportunity I had a choice

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Woosta:

Maybe I should find the freq table on the HDD while I'm waiting and compare it to the one I have from Kaff. that works

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sphery:

Woosta: looks like Australia DVB-T in Myth is: 177500000–226500000 at 7000000/chan and 529500000–816500000 @ 7000000/chan

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sphery:

(VHF 6–12 and UHF 28–69)

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** iamlindoro ponders releasing Graphite today so that people can STFU about trunk not having any finished themes **

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sphery:

iamlindoro: then they'll whine about the lack of metadata in MV

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