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| [00:02:07] | sphery: | iamlindoro___: so I take it the client wasn't interested in hitting a button to go to the next card? |
| [00:02:28] | sphery: | IMHO, that's the best way. |
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| [00:02:52] | sphery: | (requires you to bind NEXT_CARD to a key, though) |
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| [00:03:19] | iamlindoro___: | sphery, Apparently not :) |
| [00:03:27] | iamlindoro___: | though, solved it now, and thatnks for the link |
| [00:03:29] | iamlindoro___: | er thanks |
| [00:03:41] | iamlindoro___: | he, unlike me, has WAF to worry about |
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| [00:04:53] | sphery: | iamlindoro___: btw, there was another approach that I haven't tested... initially connect inputs with max recordings of 3 for all 3 cards. then increase to 4 for each card, then set Avoid conflicts... (That was the approach at the end of the post.) |
| [00:04:58] | sphery: | did you use that one? |
| [00:05:11] | sphery: | if so how's it work? (So I can quit saying, "You can /probably/..." |
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| [00:05:47] | iamlindoro___: | I used the known fix, and it worked |
| [00:05:51] | sphery: | oh, and if you have multiple combined frontend/backend systems, you'll likely have to do it that way (the 2nd way) |
| [00:05:52] | iamlindoro___: | well, sort of used the known fix |
| [00:06:03] | iamlindoro___: | Only one multirec card, just moved it to the end |
| [00:06:09] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [00:06:11] | sphery: | that works, too |
| [00:06:52] | sphery: | or at the beginning if you select Avoid conflicts |
| [00:07:15] | ** sphery wonders how long until the user flips a switch that "breaks" the config :) ** | |
| [00:07:45] | iamlindoro___: | In his defense, he seems fairly proficient and doesn't seem compelled to toggle things for no reason |
| [00:07:54] | sphery: | that's good |
| [00:08:06] | sphery: | I just always expect the worst |
| [00:08:31] | wagnerrp: | such a pessimist |
| [00:08:46] | sphery: | :) |
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| [00:11:34] | ekristen: | anyone install mythtv on fedora 11? |
| [00:11:53] | ekristen: | does anyone know if mythdora can just be a frontend slave? |
| [00:12:06] | sphery: | mythdora should be usable as any of dedicated backend, dedicated frontend, or combined frontend/backend |
| [00:12:30] | sphery: | though I don't use it myself |
| [00:12:54] | sphery: | I'd highly recommend MythDora over Fedora + MythTV, though |
| [00:13:27] | sphery: | as there's a /lot/ of reconfiguring of the distro defaults that needs done before configuring Myth |
| [00:13:40] | sphery: | and all of that's already done in MythDora |
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| [00:15:27] | iamlindoro___: | sphery, Yeah, well what do YOU know? |
| [00:15:43] | ** iamlindoro___ wants to see if we can bat a perfect 0% on convincing people they should be on myth distros today ** | |
| [00:15:50] | sphery: | heh |
| [00:17:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | ekristen: Yes, as sphery says, it can be used as a frontend only. (I use it for one frontend currently) |
| [00:17:27] | ekristen: | ok I am torrenting it right now |
| [00:17:35] | ekristen: | ok |
| [00:17:49] | sphery: | and iamlindoro___ is tormenting it now |
| [00:17:54] | ekristen: | on setup am I prompted to choose which elements I want? |
| [00:17:58] | ekristen: | with mythdora that is? |
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| [00:19:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | ekristen: Here's a good start: http://www.mythdorawiki.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page |
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| [00:21:04] | ekristen: | stupid question but can I just download the live cd and install to hard drive or just disk 1 and install? or do I need both disc 1 and 2 and/or dvd? |
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| [00:21:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | ekristen: I dunno, but your question is probably answered in the wiki. I last downloaded/installed it over a year ago. |
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| [00:47:04] | keith4_: | my firewire tuner setup suddenly stopped working. it recorded something last night just fine, but today it won't. http://keith4.pastebin.com/d7e7e1bc6 |
| [00:47:18] | keith4_: | that's what happens when I try to watch live tv |
| [00:47:23] | keith4_: | any ideas? |
| [00:50:57] | keith4_: | i've restarted the backend and the cable box. firewire_tester says everything is fine. i found this thread, but it doesn't really go anywhere: http://www.mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-commit . . . /042246.html |
| [00:51:15] | keith4_: | i tried removing the tuner and re-adding it in mythtv-setup. doesn't help |
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| [01:15:49] | keith4_: | hmmm. I removed the tuner again, exited setup, restarted the backend, added the tuner back in, exited setup. unplugged the firewire and the box. re-primed... and it's working again ;-) |
| [01:16:11] | keith4_: | so.... the woman: "how'd you fix it?" me: "no idea" |
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| [01:33:51] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://www.pastebin.ca/1465592 |
| [01:33:53] | darkdrgn2k3: | that my backend |
| [01:34:03] | darkdrgn2k3: | any idea why im missing recordings.. ie NO recordings are left |
| [01:34:20] | darkdrgn2k3: | well except 2 |
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| [01:36:53] | darkdrgn2k3: | hmm nm |
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| [02:02:01] | jeconti: | Anyone here use a Hauppauge HVR-1600 as their tuner? |
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| [02:06:39] | SHADOW_V: | jeconti, its better to ask your question also there is a page on it on the wiki |
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| [02:10:15] | jeconti: | I know, Shadow. I've spent most of the night on it. I'm trying to find out if anyone else has had the issue I'm having. And I've posted on both the ubuntu forums and mythtv talk as well |
| [02:11:22] | SHADOW_V: | mention the problem |
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| [02:17:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: What speed RAM are you running in your board? |
| [02:18:03] | thedarkone: | hello all is a dual core with 4 gigs any good |
| [02:18:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | thedarkone: for? I run an Athlon 64 x2 4800+ with 4GB ram... works well for me... ;-) |
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| [02:19:35] | SHADOW_V: | i have a be-2400 wish it was faster but its 45 watt and its the slowest machine that i would be using for myth |
| [02:19:49] | SHADOW_V: | 2.3ghz dual core |
| [02:20:12] | SHADOW_V: | i guess its fine but mythfillbase doing refresh all and it gets alittle sluggish |
| [02:22:10] | SHADOW_V: | i like how you try an help someone and they thank you by leaving the channel |
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| [02:23:39] | thedarkone: | i mean for just a backend |
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| [02:24:19] | J-e-f-f-A: | thedarkone: You don't need much cpu for a backend if you've got hardware encoders, or want to do a ton of transcoding. |
| [02:24:26] | ekristen: | ack, if I use my streamzap remote, mythfrontend just crashes! |
| [02:25:08] | J-e-f-f-A: | thedarkone: I just believe in 'overkill' myself... although the power bill has gone up with my system running 24x7... ;-) |
| [02:25:28] | SHADOW_V: | J-e-f-f-A, thats why you go with a 45watt processor |
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| [02:26:11] | thedarkone: | i see |
| [02:26:20] | thedarkone: | well this is a 64 w cpu |
| [02:27:19] | SHADOW_V: | 65 watt |
| [02:27:54] | ekristen: | need some help please ... on a frontend only setup ... under general |
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| [02:27:59] | superdug: | Hi all, I've got a MythTV setup fairly new. My question is, I have one channel showing Unknown in the programming guide ... all other 30 channels have program info. I'm pulling from SchedulesDirect and I've done the mythfilldatabase a few times (which did fix the other channels) |
| [02:28:20] | thedarkone: | 210.00 for it |
| [02:28:23] | SHADOW_V: | superdug xmltvid |
| [02:28:26] | thedarkone: | i got a nice pc |
| [02:28:27] | SHADOW_V: | do it to it |
| [02:28:27] | ekristen: | I am not running a backend on the frontend only so should I put the master backend IP as my local backend as well as my master backend? |
| [02:28:39] | SHADOW_V: | yes |
| [02:28:50] | ekristen: | cause mythfrontend is throw errors like Could not connect to server "127.0.0.1" @ port 6543 |
| [02:28:59] | ekristen: | AND RingBuffer::RingBuffer(): Failed to open remote file (myth://127.0.0.1:6543/1007_20090618210000.mpg) |
| [02:29:57] | ekristen: | anyone? |
| [02:30:25] | superdug: | SHADOW_V: 26143 |
| [02:30:40] | Dagmar: | It helps when the question isn't a great big runon |
| [02:30:45] | SHADOW_V: | superdug no i meant make sure the xlmtvid is right |
| [02:31:27] | superdug: | SHADOW_V: ohright ... I totally knew that ... |
| [02:32:31] | ekristen: | wtf, mythfrontend continually prompts me for my database connection information like it isn't storing it |
| [02:32:32] | ekristen: | wtf |
| [02:37:40] | ekristen: | ok I am getting this message "lirc_init failed for mythtv, see preceding messages" |
| [02:38:18] | J-e-f-f-A: | Humm... took a bit of digging, but my processor is 65W... ;) |
| [02:41:05] | sphery: | ekristen: you don't put the master backend ip as the local backend ip |
| [02:41:21] | sphery: | ekristen: you put the local ip as the local backend ip--even if you don't run a backend on the machine |
| [02:41:26] | ekristen: | k |
| [02:41:49] | sphery: | ekristen: *however* you cannot ever use 127.0.0.1 /anywhere/ in the setup if you have more than a single combined frontend/backend machine |
| [02:41:58] | sphery: | so replace that 127.0.0.1 with a real ip |
| [02:42:20] | ekristen: | why is it that ever time mythfrontend starts it asks my for the database credentials and locations? |
| [02:42:38] | sphery: | because it's unable to save it |
| [02:42:45] | ekristen: | so that is something I probably need to fix on my other system the 127.0.0.1 thing or at least check it ... why would it not be able to save? |
| [02:42:47] | sphery: | you need a ~/.mythtv/config.xml |
| [02:43:02] | sphery: | start with fixing the 127... thing |
| [02:43:36] | ekristen: | yeah I need to go check it on my master, and omg playback was really really choppy !!!! freaking me out |
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| [02:50:29] | ekristen: | sphery: ok master backend 127 issue fixed |
| [02:51:01] | ekristen: | now what? |
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| [02:54:15] | ekristen: | sphery: two problems, first lirc fails ... second the database information is not getting saved |
| [02:54:20] | ekristen: | I am using mythdora |
| [02:55:45] | superdug: | SHADOW_V: do you know where in the database the XMLTVID is? |
| [02:56:05] | superdug: | because the channel table doesn't have any XMLTVID's in it, or is that the point? |
| [02:56:39] | SHADOW_V: | uh in mythweb |
| [02:56:50] | phunyguy: | holy thunderstorms |
| [02:56:54] | SHADOW_V: | digging way to far deep there |
| [02:56:59] | SHADOW_V: | mythweb seeting |
| [02:57:04] | phunyguy: | i pulled both my cars in the garage |
| [02:57:08] | kormoc: | phunyguy, send them my way |
| [02:57:13] | superdug: | hrm I didn't turn mythweb on I don't think :-/ |
| [02:57:22] | superdug: | what's the default port? |
| [02:57:23] | phunyguy: | they said golf ball sized hail |
| [02:57:37] | phunyguy: | wasnt gonna risk it so i squeezed both cars in |
| [02:57:45] | phunyguy: | had a hard time getting out of the second car.... lol |
| [02:57:45] | SHADOW_V: | superdug uh port 80? |
| [02:58:16] | ekristen: | ack my playback is really really choppy from my remote frontend from my backend ... |
| [02:58:21] | ekristen: | can anyone help? |
| [02:58:28] | superdug: | phunyguy: sup madisonian friend |
| [02:58:45] | phunyguy: | madisonian? |
| [02:59:03] | superdug: | you're on tds, I figured you were somewhere in the middle of the state |
| [02:59:07] | phunyguy: | O_o |
| [02:59:18] | phunyguy: | I am in southeast georgia |
| [02:59:35] | phunyguy: | TDS goes all the way up the US |
| [02:59:36] | superdug: | lulz, forgot they're a semi-national company |
| [02:59:44] | phunyguy: | into MI – etc |
| [02:59:52] | phunyguy: | lawl. |
| [03:00:00] | phunyguy: | by the way, i love them |
| [03:00:15] | phunyguy: | except for the fact the Dish Network TV service sucks |
| [03:00:20] | phunyguy: | coulda done without that |
| [03:00:39] | phunyguy: | man i hope hail doesnt hit |
| [03:00:48] | superdug: | meh, they're okayish ... they wouldn't give me the salary I wanted when I applied to work there |
| [03:00:50] | phunyguy: | because this rain is comin in sideways |
| [03:01:05] | phunyguy: | golf ball sized will blow out windows |
| [03:01:52] | phunyguy: | yeah i applied as well but didnt get a callback |
| [03:02:07] | phunyguy: | ended up working at the main city hospital down here |
| [03:04:07] | sphery: | superdug: you can use the mythtv-setup channel editor |
| [03:04:24] | superdug: | sphery: do I have to shutdown the backend to do that? |
| [03:04:40] | sphery: | but don't edit the DB data directly until you've read every line of code in MythTV and understand all the data integrity requirements (which are enforced by the application, not the database) |
| [03:04:45] | sphery: | superdug: yep |
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| [03:05:04] | superdug: | sphery: I was just going to see what the XMLTVID was currently set to, looks like it is not |
| [03:05:07] | sphery: | but, really, you'd have to shut down the backend for the changes you made to the xmltvid through mythweb to take effect, anyway |
| [03:06:13] | sphery: | ekristen: on your master backend find a file called config.xml (likely in someone's ~/.mythtv/config.xml --perhaps even root's) and copy it to your frontend in the home dir of the user running mythfrontend |
| [03:06:30] | sphery: | ekristen: and on your frontend system, set your Playback Profile group to Slim |
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| [03:06:42] | ekristen: | ok one sec |
| [03:07:03] | sphery: | ekristen: and if that doesn't help, see http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Troubleshooting:Prebuffering_pause |
| [03:07:59] | ekristen: | k |
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| [03:09:08] | Lexridge: | does anyone know why a local station would not appear in my off-air listings in schedulesdirect? I have sent them two emails to no avail. |
| [03:09:50] | sphery: | because the station doesn't provide its listings info to TMS? |
| [03:09:52] | sphery: | what station? |
| [03:10:08] | Lexridge: | but we do. They appear on my cable lineup, and my DISH lineup as well. |
| [03:10:21] | sphery: | what station? |
| [03:10:26] | Lexridge: | WDTV-DT |
| [03:10:46] | sphery: | yeah, a CBS affiliate should |
| [03:10:54] | Lexridge: | yup |
| [03:11:10] | Lexridge: | I cannot get SD to reply to my very polite emails either. |
| [03:11:39] | sphery: | I think there's a place on the SD website to report lineup issues |
| [03:11:44] | Lexridge: | plus, we subscribe to TMS for our PSIP data, and it's all there as well. |
| [03:11:46] | sphery: | they're more likely to see that |
| [03:12:00] | Lexridge: | sphery: that is the first place I sent the email. |
| [03:12:17] | Lexridge: | and maybe the second as well. |
| [03:12:40] | Lexridge: | maybe they're on vacation this week? |
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| [03:13:16] | sphery: | Lexridge: if you really mean e-mail, that's the problem. Go to https://www.schedulesdirect.org/lineupsupport |
| [03:14:00] | ekristen: | sphery: the config.xml file exists |
| [03:14:03] | Lexridge: | sphery: that is where I sent it. I guess email was not an accurate term. |
| [03:14:05] | sphery: | if you mean you sent a message through that page, then I'm not sure why it's taking so long |
| [03:14:17] | Lexridge: | yes, that is what I mean. |
| [03:14:19] | sphery: | ekristen: make sure it's correct |
| [03:14:40] | ekristen: | looks good |
| [03:14:51] | sphery: | ekristen: i.e. you could have a file there that uses the wrong (127.0.0.1 or whatever) ip's |
| [03:14:53] | Lexridge: | the government was really on drugs making the digital switch-over on a fscking friday!! |
| [03:15:17] | SHADOW_V: | they did push it back many times |
| [03:15:40] | Lexridge: | twice that I know of....at least as far as exact dates are concerned. |
| [03:15:45] | cesman: | Lexridge: perhaps it was because Friday is historically, the least watched night of television |
| [03:16:16] | Lexridge: | but then all the folks having problems on sat and sun cannot talk to anyone about it until monday. |
| [03:16:25] | sphery: | SHADOW_V: and made it so that individual stations got to choose when to switch--as long as they did it before the transition date--meaning that some anti-social stations just surprised us users (who were out of town for 2 weeks) |
| [03:16:41] | Lexridge: | most cable systems in the area were not ready, and most didn't even have us up again until tuesday or wednesday |
| [03:16:41] | SHADOW_V: | heh nice |
| [03:16:54] | cesman: | cable doesn't count |
| [03:16:56] | cesman: | didn't count |
| [03:17:01] | cesman: | OTA only |
| [03:17:31] | cesman: | if the cable company was doing something, it is on them |
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| [03:17:46] | cesman: | probably used switch over as an excuse |
| [03:17:57] | Lexridge: | OTA didn't happen until sunday at 6:30pm anyway due to a faulty ASI transmitter feed....UGH....I spent all weekend troubleshooting that one. |
| [03:18:22] | Lexridge: | OTA HD that is.....we had a digital SD signal on, which looked like hell! |
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| [03:18:38] | ekristen: | sphery: maybe I just don't enough horse power on this mini itx system |
| [03:18:52] | sphery: | ekristen: are you using Slim? |
| [03:18:57] | ekristen: | I am |
| [03:19:11] | Lexridge: | ekristen: I have tried miniITX systems with consistently bad luck. |
| [03:19:18] | sphery: | what processor and what content (i.e. CODEC/resolution/bitrate) |
| [03:19:23] | Lexridge: | they make great routers, however. |
| [03:20:00] | ekristen: | resolute might be my main problem I have it hooked up to a 21" monitor, for some reason the video out isn't working, works great until Xorg starts then it stops output |
| [03:20:07] | ekristen: | its a via epia embedded |
| [03:20:33] | Lexridge: | sounds like a driver issue |
| [03:20:58] | ekristen: | oh and my mouse cursor doesn't show up |
| [03:21:25] | Lexridge: | when you say "stops output", do you mean a black screen, or everything is frozen? |
| [03:21:52] | ekristen: | eh tv acts like there is no input |
| [03:22:49] | Lexridge: | what dist? |
| [03:23:08] | ekristen: | mythdora |
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| [03:23:09] | ekristen: | 10.21 |
| [03:23:10] | sphery: | ekristen: assuming you have Xv support, the output resolution is irrelevant--it's the input (source video) resolution that's important |
| [03:23:37] | Lexridge: | mythdora uses KDE4 does it not? |
| [03:24:03] | sphery: | but the via epia probably won't work for anything except standard def (and, possibly only mpeg-2) |
| [03:25:34] | Lexridge: | I'd say that's an accurate statement. Most video chipsets on ITX MBs are not very impressive. What about a sideways riser and a decent gfx card? |
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| [03:26:29] | Lexridge: | do they have PCI-E riser cards yet? I don't recall having seen them, but that doesn't mean they're not available |
| [03:28:20] | ekristen: | so can incorrect audio configuration cause prebuffer skipping? |
| [03:29:09] | Lexridge: | have you looked at your xorg.conf file by chance? |
| [03:29:21] | ekristen: | for what example? |
| [03:30:51] | Lexridge: | well, you said when xorg starts, the monitor gets no signal, or possibly an out of range symptom as well. I'd assume you are starting mythfrondend on bootup, as designed by mythdora. If Xorg doesn't work, there no way mythth is going to work until xorg is fixed. |
| [03:31:14] | ekristen: | understood |
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| [03:32:59] | Lexridge: | when xorg fails to start, you might try ctl+alt+backspace and see if that gets you back to shell. If not, try ctl+alt+F1[F2,F3, etc) to get to a shell. from there, you can run "setup" and try to re setup your xorg display. |
| [03:33:38] | ekristen: | well I am going to have to do some more troubleshooting later, got to go to bed ... |
| [03:33:41] | Lexridge: | you may need to first type "init 3" in order to kill gdm/kdm |
| [03:33:43] | ekristen: | thanks for all your help |
| [03:33:47] | ekristen: | I will be back |
| [03:33:52] | ekristen: | :) |
| [03:33:57] | Lexridge: | good luck |
| [03:34:01] | ekristen: | I will be mad if this doesn't work |
| [03:34:29] | ekristen: | but I mean playback is choppy and I am only at a .3-.5 load average |
| [03:35:12] | ekristen: | up to .8 |
| [03:35:17] | Lexridge: | okay, now I'm confused....how are you playing back anything if xorg isn't working correctly? |
| [03:37:46] | ekristen: | I said output to tv isn't working |
| [03:37:53] | ekristen: | LCD over VGA works |
| [03:38:03] | ekristen: | sorry |
| [03:39:00] | Lexridge: | oh, you have a similar setup to what I have. I have NOT been able to make this work under Fedora 10. I spent days on it, then finally gave up and installed CentOS. |
| [03:39:29] | ekristen: | basically i have a master system setup running on fc8 |
| [03:39:33] | Lexridge: | I believe there is a bug in the later xorg versions which really messes with multiple X sessions. |
| [03:39:48] | ekristen: | I put together this nice little mini-itx system |
| [03:40:00] | ekristen: | 1GB of ram ( probably should go to 2GB ) |
| [03:40:02] | Lexridge: | I have it working great under F8 as well. |
| [03:40:31] | ekristen: | maybe I will just go install fc8 on this thing and install mythtv from atrpms :) |
| [03:41:09] | Lexridge: | Yea, if F10 has this problem, I'd damn betcha that Mythdora 10 has it as well. Revert!! |
| [03:42:05] | Lexridge: | google for it, there are many mentions about the problems out there. That's when I finally shelved F10 and went to CentOS 5.3 on one machine, and F8 on another. |
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| [03:43:42] | Lexridge: | if by change you do happen to make this work with the later xorg, please enlighten us as to how you managed to pull it off. :) |
| [03:43:49] | Lexridge: | change=chance |
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| [03:44:35] | SHADOW_V: | uh for some reason going from watching live tv to the program guide xorg will go upto 100 percent |
| [03:44:37] | SHADOW_V: | is that normal |
| [03:45:22] | Lexridge: | no, that is not normal, and mine did this very thing for about one week, then automagically corrected itself. strange but true. |
| [03:45:30] | SHADOW_V: | hmm |
| [03:45:39] | SHADOW_V: | are you using mythtv .21 fixes |
| [03:45:43] | Lexridge: | yes |
| [03:46:21] | Lexridge: | but I don't think I had done any updates between the problem starting and mysteriously going away. |
| [03:46:57] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok |
| [03:47:03] | Lexridge: | this is the mythfrontend I'm currently running: 0.21.20080304–1 |
| [03:47:37] | Lexridge: | humm, that's odd. It says 2008, but I know I have supplied cvs fixes this year. That too is strange. |
| [03:48:07] | SHADOW_V: | how can i tell what version i am running |
| [03:48:19] | Lexridge: | type: mythfrontend --version |
| [03:48:39] | SHADOW_V: | whoa |
| [03:48:43] | SHADOW_V: | even freakier |
| [03:48:53] | SHADOW_V: | 0.21.20080304–1 |
| [03:48:58] | ekristen: | I am on the same one |
| [03:49:06] | Lexridge: | humm, same versions |
| [03:49:18] | Lexridge: | can anyone explain this? |
| [03:49:47] | kormoc: | you downloaded the same version? |
| [03:49:55] | troldrik: | tag isn't updated? |
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| [03:50:04] | Lexridge: | I have however, updated my nvidia driver numerous times. Are you using nvidia drivers? |
| [03:50:13] | troldrik: | Library API : 0.21.20080304–1 |
| [03:50:17] | troldrik: | MythTV Version : 19961 |
| [03:50:17] | Lexridge: | kormoc: this is from v21 fixes |
| [03:50:22] | SHADOW_V: | no that while watching live tv i try to go into program guide and a core goes to 100 percent ussage |
| [03:50:32] | SHADOW_V: | Lexridge, yes i am |
| [03:50:38] | Lexridge: | what version? |
| [03:50:59] | Lexridge: | I'm running 180.51 ATM |
| [03:51:13] | SHADOW_V: | how can i tell |
| [03:51:31] | Lexridge: | run nvidia-settings from a shell or run command, and it should be on the first page |
| [03:51:56] | SHADOW_V: | how can i tell without x |
| [03:52:25] | Lexridge: | humm, look at the file you last downloaded and installed. The version will be in the filename |
| [03:52:34] | SHADOW_V: | hmm |
| [03:52:44] | Lexridge: | not sure how to do it from a shell. Anyone? |
| [03:53:47] | Lexridge: | it will be named something like this: NVIDIA-Linux-x86–180.51-pkg1.run |
| [03:54:49] | SHADOW_V: | cat /proc/driver/nvidia/version |
| [03:54:54] | SHADOW_V: | 100.11 |
| [03:55:11] | Lexridge: | Which nvidia card do you have? |
| [03:55:22] | SHADOW_V: | 6150 integrated |
| [03:55:30] | Lexridge: | that's a pretty old version of the driver. |
| [03:55:46] | SHADOW_V: | hmm hd pegs one core to 100 percent is that normal |
| [03:55:58] | Lexridge: | you might see what the latest legacy driver they have available. They do update even the legacy drivers fairly often. |
| [03:56:50] | Lexridge: | could be. HD taxes my CPU cores pretty hard, but I'm not using beta VDPAU stuff either. |
| [03:56:53] | SHADOW_V: | eh i can get it from their site |
| [03:56:59] | SHADOW_V: | neither am i |
| [03:57:07] | Lexridge: | yea you can....hold on lemme look |
| [03:57:39] | troldrik: | 6150 shouldn't need legacy drivers.. |
| [03:58:06] | troldrik: | Only FX5000 series cards and below. |
| [03:58:28] | SHADOW_V: | eh well i guess i could upgrade to ubuntu 9.04 also |
| [03:58:39] | SHADOW_V: | eh |
| [03:58:42] | Lexridge: | yea, the latest non legacy driver should work actually: 185.18.14 |
| [03:58:59] | SHADOW_V: | wow we are both behind |
| [03:59:47] | Lexridge: | yea: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/185.18.14/ |
| [04:00:45] | Lexridge: | unless you're running 64 bit |
| [04:00:54] | SHADOW_V: | that i am |
| [04:01:09] | SHADOW_V: | there isnt a reason not to |
| [04:01:09] | Lexridge: | in which case you will need: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/185.18.14 |
| [04:01:17] | SHADOW_V: | http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x . . . .14-pkg2.run |
| [04:01:18] | SHADOW_V: | ? |
| [04:01:27] | Lexridge: | I have found reasons not to, but that's just me ;) |
| [04:01:29] | SHADOW_V: | whats the difference between those two |
| [04:01:33] | SHADOW_V: | yeah |
| [04:01:49] | Lexridge: | well, one is 64bit, while the other is 32bit. |
| [04:02:12] | Lexridge: | opps, same thing actually....sorry. |
| [04:02:48] | SHADOW_V: | wait wha |
| [04:02:59] | SHADOW_V: | the .run file is saying i have to exit x before installing |
| [04:03:05] | Lexridge: | that is correct |
| [04:03:18] | SHADOW_V: | i havnt had to do that before |
| [04:03:24] | Lexridge: | in fact, you will need to be in run level 3 (type: init 3 from a shell |
| [04:03:52] | Lexridge: | Then, once installed, simply type: init 5 to get back to your xorg login screen. |
| [04:04:19] | SHADOW_V: | how do i close x |
| [04:04:41] | SHADOW_V: | or can i goto another tty |
| [04:04:41] | Lexridge: | you need to do a ctl+alt+F2 to get to a console, then type the "init 3" |
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| [04:05:55] | Lexridge: | note, your X-session will be terminated when you do this, thus your chat session will also be terminated. |
| [04:06:04] | SHADOW_V: | another computer |
| [04:06:09] | Lexridge: | gotcha! |
| [04:07:02] | SHADOW_V: | i did both of the things you said |
| [04:07:08] | Lexridge: | and? |
| [04:07:11] | SHADOW_V: | but it still says i have an x sesson open |
| [04:07:23] | SHADOW_V: | i should probably kill vnc right |
| [04:07:23] | Lexridge: | even when you typed: init 3? |
| [04:07:28] | SHADOW_V: | could that be the problem |
| [04:07:29] | SHADOW_V: | yes |
| [04:07:35] | Lexridge: | could be |
| [04:07:36] | SHADOW_V: | even after i typed init 3 |
| [04:07:52] | Lexridge: | vnc might keep an x session open. |
| [04:07:56] | Lexridge: | not suire |
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| [04:08:20] | Lexridge: | if nothing works, you can always reboot in run level 3 |
| [04:08:32] | SHADOW_V: | yeah how do i do that |
| [04:08:39] | clever: | i would just ps aux|grep X |
| [04:08:43] | SHADOW_V: | reboot then what select repair mod |
| [04:08:43] | clever: | and kill them off |
| [04:08:58] | ben_unreg: | hi @all |
| [04:09:15] | SHADOW_V: | clever, there are alot there |
| [04:09:34] | Lexridge: | yea, but just killing X will only result in a restart of X via gdm or kdm.....usually. |
| [04:09:37] | clever: | SHADOW_V: then grep it down more to just X |
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| [04:09:45] | SHADOW_V: | how can i kill x and xfce in one shot |
| [04:09:50] | SHADOW_V: | i did ps aux | grep x |
| [04:09:53] | SHADOW_V: | and alot shhow up |
| [04:10:01] | clever: | X not x |
| [04:10:08] | Lexridge: | killing X should also kill xfce. Sorry, I assumed you were running KDE or Gnome. |
| [04:10:44] | Lexridge: | did you try "killall X"? |
| [04:11:01] | clever: | the vnc sessions are Xvnc4 |
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| [04:11:06] | clever: | on mine |
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| [04:11:54] | Lexridge: | I rarely use vnc from linux to linux. I just use ssh -X and run the apps locally. |
| [04:12:07] | clever: | -X seems to lag alot for me |
| [04:12:11] | Lexridge: | or remotely, that should have said. |
| [04:12:16] | clever: | i just use raw x11 over tcp |
| [04:12:18] | Lexridge: | really? I have great results with it. |
| [04:12:21] | Lexridge: | oh |
| [04:12:37] | clever: | DISPLAY=d630:0 mythfrontend & |
| [04:12:57] | clever: | heck, ive even ran low resolution videos thru it with mplayer |
| [04:13:14] | clever: | i even ran a whole gnome-session once(thin client) |
| [04:13:19] | Lexridge: | I have too, with ssh -X. In fact, mythfrontend has worked great in SD using this method. |
| [04:14:03] | clever: | i only use vnc for gnome-panel and its cpu graphs |
| [04:14:13] | clever: | its ugly to run 2 gnome-panels on the same server |
| [04:14:27] | SHADOW_V: | hmm restarting killall X didnt work |
| [04:14:39] | clever: | SHADOW_V: ps aux|grep X |
| [04:14:42] | SHADOW_V: | how do i go into init 3 on start |
| [04:14:47] | SHADOW_V: | clever, yeah too late now |
| [04:15:04] | Lexridge: | shadow: what dist are you running? |
| [04:15:10] | clever: | you can still manualy kill the X's and get the same effect as 'init 3' |
| [04:15:25] | SHADOW_V: | mythbuntu 8.10 |
| [04:15:25] | clever: | may also need a /etc/init.d/xdm stop |
| [04:15:35] | Lexridge: | unless gdm or kdm is running. Those are hard to kill in my experience. |
| [04:15:35] | clever: | or gdm, or kdm |
| [04:16:05] | Lexridge: | you can also edit /etc/inittab and change that to runlevel 3 |
| [04:16:07] | clever: | Lexridge: they die easily, and get resurected |
| [04:16:13] | Lexridge: | yea, exactly |
| [04:16:30] | SHADOW_V: | hmm ok i will do your way |
| [04:16:37] | SHADOW_V: | i am booting up then will kill xdm |
| [04:16:43] | clever: | its simplest to just stop them manualy with the init script |
| [04:16:48] | Lexridge: | it's the resurrection that's hard to prevent |
| [04:16:49] | SHADOW_V: | yeah |
| [04:17:03] | SHADOW_V: | thats why using init is better |
| [04:17:08] | clever: | i dont like touching the init level because of all the other crap it may stop |
| [04:17:12] | Lexridge: | if you have an init script for them, that is indeed the best way. |
| [04:17:12] | clever: | on my main server |
| [04:17:26] | SHADOW_V: | p2 power!!! |
| [04:17:33] | clever: | P4 :P |
| [04:17:37] | SHADOW_V: | uh oh |
| [04:17:50] | clever: | i should go to sleep |
| [04:17:52] | clever: | 1am |
| [04:18:07] | SHADOW_V: | 1am or is it 12 |
| [04:18:16] | Lexridge: | 12:18 EDT |
| [04:18:22] | clever: | 1:18 am |
| [04:18:24] | SHADOW_V: | ok clever so ctrl alt f2 then xdm stop |
| [04:18:38] | SHADOW_V: | clever, arent you in canada |
| [04:18:38] | clever: | SHADOW_V: you can stop it from an xterm too, or ssh |
| [04:18:45] | clever: | yes, canada |
| [04:18:56] | SHADOW_V: | i am on eastern standard time |
| [04:19:00] | SHADOW_V: | how are you an hour ahead |
| [04:19:03] | Lexridge: | I thought all of the east coast of canada was on EST/EDT? |
| [04:19:04] | clever: | atlantic time |
| [04:19:16] | SHADOW_V: | oh ok |
| [04:19:23] | clever: | i generaly muck with X via ssh, so i dont loose my terminal when X goes up&down |
| [04:19:23] | Lexridge: | cool, never knew that! |
| [04:19:41] | SHADOW_V: | /etc/init.d/xdm: command not found |
| [04:19:50] | clever: | SHADOW_V: try gdm and kdm then |
| [04:20:02] | SHADOW_V: | there we go |
| [04:20:03] | SHADOW_V: | gdm |
| [04:20:04] | SHADOW_V: | xfce |
| [04:20:47] | Lexridge: | I gotta get outta here too. Big day tomorrow. We're putting up 10.1 CW network. Wow-wee!! CW sucks!!! ;) |
| [04:21:03] | Lexridge: | 10.2 CW that should have read :/ |
| [04:21:03] | SHADOW_V: | 10.1 cw? |
| [04:21:21] | Lexridge: | channel 10.2. The secondary to our FOX WVFX affiliate. |
| [04:21:35] | SHADOW_V: | oh ok right you work at a cableco |
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| [04:21:48] | Lexridge: | close.....tv stations |
| [04:22:06] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok |
| [04:22:10] | Lexridge: | a CBS and a FOX |
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| [04:22:34] | SHADOW_V: | uh oh gots an error rebooting to hopefulyl a working system |
| [04:22:39] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok |
| [04:22:45] | Lexridge: | what error? |
| [04:23:03] | SHADOW_V: | i tried to restart x without rebooting and x didnt like that |
| [04:23:28] | Lexridge: | so you installed the newest nvidia driver already? |
| [04:23:53] | SHADOW_V: | yes |
| [04:23:59] | SHADOW_V: | uh ohs still not working right |
| [04:24:00] | Lexridge: | you work quick. :) |
| [04:24:30] | Lexridge: | did it have to build the module for your kernel or was it readily available? |
| [04:24:57] | Lexridge: | I generally have to do the build procedure when I install the nvidia driveres. |
| [04:24:59] | SHADOW_V: | had to build it |
| [04:25:02] | Lexridge: | okay |
| [04:26:10] | SHADOW_V: | trying to rebuild it again |
| [04:26:14] | SHADOW_V: | anything i should have |
| [04:26:16] | SHADOW_V: | or try |
| [04:26:54] | Lexridge: | what is happening? X won't start? |
| [04:27:05] | SHADOW_V: | yeah |
| [04:27:57] | Lexridge: | you may want to make a backup of your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then run nvidia-xconfig and let it rebuild it for you. |
| [04:28:15] | Lexridge: | actually, renaming that file would be your safest bet. |
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| [04:28:57] | SHADOW_V: | its building the kernel module now |
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| [04:29:15] | SHADOW_V: | install nvidias 32 bit compatibility open gl libraries |
| [04:29:16] | SHADOW_V: | yes right |
| [04:30:02] | Lexridge: | if you can't get this to work, you might try the legacy driver next. However, this driver should support everything from 6xxx to 9xxx. |
| [04:30:39] | SHADOW_V: | could it not be compatible with my kernel or is that not plausible |
| [04:31:40] | Lexridge: | it would error out on the build in that case. Not likely |
| [04:31:46] | SHADOW_V: | oh ok |
| [04:31:49] | SHADOW_V: | so what is the issue |
| [04:32:30] | Lexridge: | Try renaming your xorg.conf file and running nvidia-xconfig. That will created a totally new xorg.conf file. |
| [04:34:49] | Lexridge: | verify this after running it. |
| [04:40:51] | SHADOW_V: | hmm alright |
| [04:45:01] | SHADOW_V: | eh still not working |
| [04:46:41] | SHADOW_V: | the error is nvidia(0) failed to initialize the nvidia kernel module |
| [04:48:31] | Lexridge: | humm, not an expert here, but this site should help: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=14 You can always try the legacy driver, but look around here first. |
| [04:49:03] | Lexridge: | I use this site always when I have nvidia issues. |
| [04:53:07] | SHADOW_V: | i am asked in nvidia and in ubuntu so hopefully i can get it working before tomorrow |
| [04:53:49] | Lexridge: | sorry not be be of more help. You never did say what dist you're using. What kernel version? |
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| [04:58:07] | SHADOW_V: | ubuntu 8.10 |
| [04:58:20] | SHADOW_V: | 2.6.27-14-generic |
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| [05:00:41] | Lexridge: | ah, the last ubuntu, actually kubuntu I installed was 6. something. :( |
| [05:00:51] | Lexridge: | I've mainly used Redhat derived products for the last 10 years or so: CentOS or Fedora. |
| [05:01:18] | Lexridge: | Centos for the stability, Fedora for the bleeding edge ;) |
| [05:01:24] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok |
| [05:01:42] | SHADOW_V: | yeah i just started using linux 3 or so years ago |
| [05:01:53] | SHADOW_V: | i think when i get time i will try other distros |
| [05:02:23] | Lexridge: | You should be able to sort this out in a timely manner I'd think. Decompress your nvidia driver file and read the included docs. That may help a lot as well. |
| [05:02:40] | SHADOW_V: | yeah |
| [05:02:42] | Lexridge: | just do a filename.run -x to extract it. |
| [05:02:48] | SHADOW_V: | oh ok thanks |
| [05:03:03] | Lexridge: | g'nite and good luck |
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| [07:05:25] | zika2000: | my mythtvbox connected to LCD via dvi every now and then I get blank screen and it says no signal I had to reboot the mythtvbox why is it happening |
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| [07:12:04] | jtmoney: | this is just an annoying issue... i recently added a card, wiped out all my cards from mythtv-setup, etc. ... now whenever i add a card it will be the "6th" device or "7th" device instead of "0th" and "1st" ... any way i can change that? |
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| [07:15:21] | stuarta: | adapter_nr is an option you can put on the kernel modules |
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| [07:15:48] | stuarta: | to force adapters of a certain type to use certain adapter numbers |
| [07:16:19] | jtmoney: | i don't mean /dev/video0 ... i mean "8: Analog" |
| [07:16:21] | jtmoney: | if that makes sense |
| [07:16:50] | stuarta: | oh right |
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| [07:17:03] | stuarta: | thats the auto increment in mysql |
| [07:17:43] | stuarta: | if you do "delete all cards" then that should wipe the table in a way that the first one you put in is 0 again |
| [07:17:58] | jtmoney: | that didn't work for me |
| [07:18:02] | jtmoney: | meh |
| [07:18:02] | stuarta: | :( |
| [07:18:11] | jtmoney: | maybe "repair tables" after doing that? |
| [07:19:26] | stuarta: | i wouldn't expect that to help |
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| [07:21:27] | jtmoney: | can someone tell me ho w the sleep function works? |
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| [07:21:40] | jtmoney: | does it just stop playing the current program after 30, 60, 90, whatever minutes? |
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| [10:02:43] | d00gle: | Hi all, |
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| [10:19:39] | d00gle: | Can anyone offer some pointers for getting DVB-S2 working in Mythtv please ? |
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| [10:40:32] | d00gle: | I've noticed the ticket #5882 has been closed for a while now, but i'm getting the impression it seems to work for quite a lot of people |
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| [11:06:04] | neo__: | salve a tutti |
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| [11:10:50] | Sigi: | hi where can i change my remote control settings ? I plugd in a X10 controller, and some keys work. im running ubuntu |
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| [11:23:13] | ben_unreg: | Anyone got CI/CAM working? |
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| [12:24:09] | Sigi: | can someone help me with lirc? i got a medion X10 controller usb |
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| [12:24:50] | TiMiDo: | to see tv with mythtv what equipment do you need? so you can see tv? |
| [12:28:28] | Dibblah: | PC with Linux supported tuner card, video card, sound card. |
| [12:28:44] | Dibblah: | You also probably want a linux supported remote control. |
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| [12:29:54] | TiMiDo: | Dibblah, i have an nvidia |
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| [12:31:55] | Dibblah: | TiMiDo: Please have a look at the mythtv wiki and manual. |
| [12:35:22] | d00gle: | Sigi, I'm no expert but i've played around with lirc a fair bit, whats the problem ? |
| [12:36:22] | Dibblah: | He left. |
| [12:37:57] | d00gle: | hehe, see thats why i'm no expert :p can't even read a IRC channel properly ;) |
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| [13:21:20] | Essobi: | Morning! |
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| [13:29:53] | Josh_Borke: | if i'm having trouble with my hauppauge 1600 ATSC reception, where is the best place to seek help? ivtv mailing list? |
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| [13:40:30] | boppen: | Hi! |
| [13:41:11] | boppen: | I'm currently having two problems, I'm running latest trunk now and I can't delete recordings, and MythVideo doesn't browse directories in the correct way |
| [13:41:23] | boppen: | Is there anyone that recognizes these problems? |
| [13:43:18] | GreyFoxx: | What happens when you try to delete a recording? And define the doesn't browse in the "correct" way ? :)\ |
| [13:46:50] | iamlindoro: | In the words of everyone's wife/girlfriend, if you don't know what's wrong, he's certainly not going to tell you |
| [13:49:30] | boppen: | GreyFoxx: I can't do it in any way, if I press "I" and the select Delete nothing happens??? |
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| [13:49:59] | boppen: | About the browsing problem, I just restarted mythfrontend with "-v all" and maybe it has something to do with missing theme-images? |
| [13:50:47] | iamlindoro: | stop guessing at the cause and tell us what the problem *is* |
| [13:50:48] | boppen: | Unable to find image file: mv_gallery_dir_up.png |
| [13:50:48] | boppen: | 2009-06–19 15:50:34.610 MythUIImage::Load Could not load :mv_gallery_dir_up.png: |
| [13:51:35] | iamlindoro: | All that message would result in would be a missing icon for the "back" folder |
| [13:52:00] | boppen: | When I select "Watch Videos" I just get a folder with a "?" inside |
| [13:52:47] | iamlindoro: | What is the name of the folder? |
| [13:52:55] | iamlindoro: | Is it "Unknown Prefix"? |
| [13:53:05] | boppen: | "Video Home" |
| [13:53:21] | iamlindoro: | Nothing wrong with that |
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| [13:53:37] | boppen: | And if I press enter there is some text behind the "?" but I only see a 0 at the ende ... |
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| [13:53:42] | iamlindoro: | You haven't tried to set up Video storage groups, have you? |
| [13:54:12] | boppen: | I think I have – in mythtv-setup – but maybe I've done that in the wrong way? |
| [13:54:13] | iamlindoro: | sounds to me like you haven't configured mythvideo on your frontend... |
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| [13:54:54] | iamlindoro: | Depends on whether you are trying to convert an existing setup to trunk, or whether this is a new setup |
| [13:55:20] | boppen: | When I tried to google this problemI didn't find anyone with the same problem – so I think it's me that have done something wrong ... ;-) |
| [13:55:27] | iamlindoro: | you are right |
| [13:55:35] | iamlindoro: | why are you running trunk? |
| [13:55:50] | boppen: | I deleted my old database and created a brand new becaouse I got some problem with my channels when I tried to upgrade it ... |
| [13:56:04] | boppen: | I'm running trunk beacuse of DVB-S2 and VDPAU |
| [13:56:17] | iamlindoro: | so have you run a video scan in mythvideo yet? |
| [13:57:32] | iamlindoro: | In MythVideo, Press "M"->Scan For Changes, leave mythvideo, slowly count to 10, enter mythvideo |
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| [13:59:49] | boppen: | iamlindoro; great that worked a lot better than doing the Scan under Settings / Video Manager – now it found all my Videos! |
| [14:00:11] | iamlindoro: | That's because video manager no longer scans like in .21 |
| [14:00:25] | iamlindoro: | You are supposed to be following the dev and commit lists for this information |
| [14:01:00] | boppen: | Okay, I think I need to be starting doing that ... |
| [14:01:26] | iamlindoro: | yes |
| [14:01:48] | iamlindoro: | This is your one free trunk answer. The next time the answer exists on dev or commits, people will yell :) |
| [14:02:46] | boppen: | Ooopppss ... thanks for the help this time! I will try to be a more serious trunk user now ... |
| [14:03:09] | iamlindoro: | Sounds good, thanks :) |
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| [14:42:58] | wagnerrp: | what capacity does mythui have to display stuff over video? |
| [14:43:24] | iamlindoro: | How do you mean? |
| [14:44:09] | wagnerrp: | i mean you have the 'm' menu, channel info OSD, and whatever the mythvosd looked like (ive never used it) |
| [14:44:25] | iamlindoro: | Ah, all the in-video stuff is as yet unconverted |
| [14:44:30] | iamlindoro: | OSD/menu/etc. |
| [14:44:35] | jams: | so the answer is 0 |
| [14:44:41] | jams: | or none |
| [14:44:45] | iamlindoro: | indeed |
| [14:44:54] | wagnerrp: | just wondering if it would be capable of something like this... http://www.endgadget.com/2009/06/18/sony-pict . . . e-killer-ap/ |
| [14:45:32] | iamlindoro: | hmm, link doesn't work for me |
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| [14:45:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah... typing out long links sucks |
| [14:45:54] | wagnerrp: | its 'engadget', not 'endgadget' |
| [14:46:25] | iamlindoro: | Ah |
| [14:46:44] | wagnerrp: | basically, some popup that displays more than just the overview |
| [14:46:46] | iamlindoro: | Well, in theory (given the code to write the features themselves) even the current UI supports alpha, icons, etc. |
| [14:47:18] | iamlindoro: | But obviously you'd have to write the new OSD "views" which are not themable |
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| [14:48:05] | iamlindoro: | In my fantasy of what the MythUI OSD will look like, it will have a themer-set number of views, access to all the programinfo, and the ability to use all the mythUI widgets within the OSD |
| [14:48:43] | iamlindoro: | so that you could break up the information into logical units that made sense to you, in an expandable way, and add something like a webbrowser widget to with a pre-populated lookup for the program |
| [14:49:29] | iamlindoro: | so, say, put the classic info on page 1, a cast popup on page 2, a tvdb webbrowser widget on page 3, etc. |
| [14:49:56] | sphery: | iamlindoro: oohhh... he almost said it! |
| [14:50:08] | wagnerrp: | it? |
| [14:50:10] | ** sphery waits anxiously for another "mythbackend leaks memory" post ** | |
| [14:50:12] | iamlindoro: | Udo? |
| [14:50:15] | sphery: | yep |
| [14:50:18] | iamlindoro: | yes, haha, I can read sphery's mind |
| [14:50:23] | sphery: | scary |
| [14:51:13] | GreyFoxx: | hahah me too |
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| [14:53:08] | GreyFoxx: | As soon as I saw a post that said mythbackend and 100% in the subject I expected Udo to popup :) |
| [14:53:22] | sphery: | yep |
| [14:54:59] | sphery: | so that article says that it provides info from Gracenote on demand, but Gracenote seems to be a music info thing |
| [14:55:08] | sphery: | http://www.gracenote.com/ |
| [14:56:15] | sid3windr: | gracenote is cddb |
| [14:56:22] | sid3windr: | (so gone commercial) |
| [14:56:40] | ben_unreg: | hi guys, does anybody know if the mythtv 21 fixes – Basline supports ci/cam? |
| [14:57:19] | laga: | ben_unreg: it does. |
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| [14:57:50] | ben_unreg: | strange, cam works in kaffeine but not in mythtv |
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| [14:59:02] | skipjack: | Hello, is there an way to get the TV Programm Informations in MythTV? I have googled, but there was only much informations about closed projects..? What is the current way to get TV programm for German ppl.? |
| [14:59:32] | sphery: | xmltv? |
| [14:59:54] | laga: | tv_grab_eu_epgdata, for example. also www.xmltv.info |
| [14:59:55] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV#Germany.2FAustria |
| [15:00:37] | sphery: | laga: does that mean that the wiki page is out of date? |
| [15:01:02] | sphery: | if so, perhaps skipjack can update the Germany section after getting tv_grab_eu_epgdata working :) |
| [15:01:11] | skipjack: | hm okay |
| [15:01:26] | laga: | sphery: tvtoday is dead, prisma is dead |
| [15:01:34] | laga: | tv_grab_eu_epgdata is not free |
| [15:01:35] | sphery: | should I remove them? |
| [15:01:47] | laga: | sphery: maybe leave a note saying they're dead |
| [15:01:57] | sphery: | will do. thanks for the info |
| [15:01:59] | skipjack: | the second link ( wiki..) i have already opened, but in mythtv-setup , can't find the german grabber |
| [15:02:10] | ben_unreg: | i also think that the one from tvtoday is dead |
| [15:02:17] | ben_unreg: | erm, tvmovie |
| [15:02:24] | skipjack: | hm okay |
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| [15:02:50] | skipjack: | tv_grab_eu_epgdata is not free? how much? or what do you mean? |
| [15:03:02] | laga: | skipjack: less than 20€/year |
| [15:03:10] | skipjack: | that'S okay |
| [15:03:50] | AndyCap: | laga: what's the source? |
| [15:04:26] | skipjack: | and there is no other solution. |
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| [15:04:37] | laga: | AndyCap: www.epgdata.com |
| [15:04:54] | laga: | skipjack: i don't know if it's the only grabber |
| [15:04:58] | laga: | it's just what i'm using |
| [15:05:46] | AndyCap: | laga: heh, didn't say much about what countries/channels they ahve |
| [15:06:05] | laga: | AndyCap: check the xmltv wiki, i put links to their signup pages there |
| [15:10:02] | sphery: | ben_unreg: I didn't change TV Movie section, but if you find out that it's no longer working for sure, feel free to update it. |
| [15:11:07] | skipjack: | laga: can you give me the Link to register ? / is there an HowTo for MythTV? |
| [15:11:37] | laga: | skipjack: check the xmltv wiki |
| [15:12:11] | ben_unreg: | well, i tried it about 2 months ago, script works, but the content (from tvmovie) is still zip-encrypted, so the script is/was useless... |
| [15:12:25] | laga: | skipjack: and you should have tv_grab_eu_epgdata available in mythtv-setup if your version of xmltv is recent enough |
| [15:14:09] | skipjack: | laga okay what is when I have not tv_grab_eu_epgdata there? is there an way to add it? |
| [15:14:30] | laga: | skipjack: do you have xmltv installed? |
| [15:14:35] | skipjack: | yes |
| [15:14:40] | skipjack: | Ubuntu 9.04 |
| [15:14:40] | laga: | skipjack: what version? |
| [15:15:03] | laga: | do you have /usr/bin/tv_grab_eu_epgdata ? |
| [15:15:37] | skipjack: | yes |
| [15:15:40] | skipjack: | have it |
| [15:16:16] | laga: | did you get a warning about a time out when running mythtv-setup? |
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| [15:17:33] | ** iamlindoro designates laga the official troubleshooter on tv_grab_eu_epgdata ** | |
| [15:17:39] | jamiem: | where do things go after they leave mythconverg.recorded? |
| [15:17:42] | skipjack: | hm hehe |
| [15:17:47] | skipjack: | I think |
| [15:17:51] | jamiem: | there was a program I recorded that I want to know the title of |
| [15:17:53] | iamlindoro: | jamiem: Into the fond haze of memory |
| [15:17:55] | stuarta: | the bit bucket comes to mind |
| [15:18:00] | laga: | iamlindoro: why? |
| [15:18:18] | jamiem: | I thought it saved data for duplicate finding? |
| [15:18:22] | iamlindoro: | laga: because you were the last person to touch the ball, can't argue now, you're stuck |
| [15:18:30] | laga: | iamlindoro: i actually wrote it |
| [15:18:37] | iamlindoro: | laga: ah, heh |
| [15:18:42] | iamlindoro: | laga: then now you're REALLY stuck :) |
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| [15:18:48] | laga: | iamlindoro: yeah ;) |
| [15:19:39] | iamlindoro: | jamiem: You may be thinking about oldrecorded |
| [15:19:40] | skipjack: | laga: I think I will get an timeout. |
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| [15:19:49] | skipjack: | because it's stands now fpr 60secs at 50% |
| [15:19:52] | laga: | meh. gigabit link between my desktop and laptop and VNc is still slow. |
| [15:19:54] | skipjack: | in the setup |
| [15:19:56] | iamlindoro: | jamiem: But there's not a transition between recorded->oldrecorded |
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| [15:20:05] | laga: | skipjack: um. did you select tv_grab_eu_epgdata? |
| [15:20:07] | jamiem: | oh okay :) |
| [15:20:08] | jamiem: | thanks. |
| [15:20:13] | sphery: | jamiem: they go to the Previously Recorded page in mythfrontend |
| [15:20:22] | sphery: | Manage Recordings|Previously Recorded |
| [15:20:25] | skipjack: | laga: yes |
| [15:20:27] | iamlindoro: | jamiem: Once it's recorded, it's there-- so more of a parallel |
| [15:20:31] | sphery: | can sort by title or date |
| [15:20:31] | laga: | skipjack: hit alt+tab |
| [15:20:45] | skipjack: | MythTV says me I should config it in Terminal.. |
| [15:21:00] | AndyCap: | laga: thanks. :) no support for .no unfortunately |
| [15:21:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: I think he was thinking about Previously Recorded... :) |
| [15:21:26] | skipjack: | okay I see |
| [15:21:32] | laga: | AndyCap: could always ask epgdata.com if they data ;) |
| [15:21:34] | skipjack: | ;) now I need some useraccount |
| [15:21:40] | iamlindoro: | sphery: But he asked about a specific DB table |
| [15:21:48] | jamiem: | it's fine, guys :) |
| [15:21:50] | jamiem: | thanks. |
| [15:21:51] | sphery: | AndyCap: did you fill out the Schedules Direct survey |
| [15:22:09] | iamlindoro: | sphery: So presumably he wanted to know the DB location of the duplicate finding info |
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| [15:22:34] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, I just don't want to have to help someone else fix their DB after they break it :) |
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| [15:22:54] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I don't mind people knowing *where* the data is, it's when they touch it that I become hands off :) |
| [15:23:19] | ** sphery really needs to get the embedded db done ** | |
| [15:23:24] | iamlindoro: | In an amusing anecdote, I caused a fun segfault on a frontend I was building as part of a consulting job by directly editing the DB last night |
| [15:23:33] | sphery: | nice |
| [15:23:37] | sphery: | what did you change? |
| [15:23:42] | iamlindoro: | So I am guilty of it myself, but I recognize how stupid I was to do so |
| [15:24:01] | sphery: | AndyCap: http://www.schedulesdirect.org/survey/ ("Schedules Direct Outside of the US/Canada" – http://www.schedulesdirect.org/survey/where ) |
| [15:24:07] | iamlindoro: | There are apparently two DB values that change when changing the System Exit key to "None" |
| [15:24:21] | iamlindoro: | and I managed to change one, but not the other, which confused the heck out of mythfrontend |
| [15:24:48] | jamiem: | it _is_ in oldrecorded |
| [15:24:57] | ** iamlindoro thinks he said that ** | |
| [15:25:10] | sphery: | if you feel like testing it in trunk and fixing the segfault (if it exists there), that wuold probably be good--shouldn't segfault (even if it is impossible to get that config when configuring through the gui) |
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| [15:26:16] | sphery: | skipjack: you may also want to fill out the survey at schedules direct – http://www.schedulesdirect.org/survey/where |
| [15:27:16] | AndyCap: | sphery: well, no since I'm not a SD user. :> |
| [15:27:38] | sphery: | AndyCap: that's the point--it's finding out if you'd be interested in becoming one |
| [15:28:02] | AndyCap: | sphery: also my point. I don't really check SD every day or month. :) |
| [15:28:04] | sphery: | i.e. SD is considering expanding its offerings to people outside of Canada/US/Mexico |
| [15:28:13] | AndyCap: | which is good news. |
| [15:28:35] | AndyCap: | so thanks for pointing it out |
| [15:28:38] | sphery: | yeah, but we need a lot of interested people before they'll take that step (as it's very expensive to add a new area) |
| [15:28:51] | sphery: | so if you are interested, please let them know :) |
| [15:29:13] | sphery: | very expensive to buy data for a new area, actually |
| [15:29:28] | AndyCap: | I guess that depends on the area. |
| [15:30:22] | AndyCap: | or is this more like springer / elsevier that you have an oligopoly |
| [15:30:31] | skipjack: | laga;) okay now I have my pin ;) thanks |
| [15:30:39] | laga: | skipjack: have fun :) |
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| [15:31:03] | sphery: | I think TMS has specific world areas that you buy (so, not just "Switzerland", but more like "Europe"), and it tends to be expensive for everything. |
| [15:31:31] | GreyFoxx: | Very expensive |
| [15:31:35] | sphery: | I know in the US, there are only 2 sources TMS and TV Guide/Gem |
| [15:31:35] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I'll probably try to reproduce it sometime when bored |
| [15:31:37] | AndyCap: | ok, so not considering other providers for other parts of the world |
| [15:31:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro: cool |
| [15:32:12] | GreyFoxx: | AndyCap: That's not really feasible until SD is hosting the data themselves |
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| [15:32:21] | AndyCap: | for instance I'm sure you could get the data for North Korea cheaply. :P |
| [15:32:57] | rooter7: | Suddenly my remote frontend cannot connect to the database. |
| [15:33:06] | iamlindoro: | 8AM: Glorious leader speaks |
| [15:33:11] | rooter7: | DB/UN/PW are all right. |
| [15:33:13] | iamlindoro: | 9AM: Glorious Leader, the early years |
| [15:33:23] | iamlindoro: | 10AM: Glorious Leader Today |
| [15:33:34] | iamlindoro: | 11AM-1PM: Moonlighting |
| [15:33:55] | rooter7: | It works if I log into the database manually. |
| [15:34:03] | stuarta: | iamlindoro: south park re-runs? |
| [15:34:06] | AndyCap: | 16PM: Tribute to our Glorious Leader, Reality-TV |
| [15:34:20] | iamlindoro: | stuarta: Oooh, bet he loves those :) |
| [15:34:24] | sphery: | rooter7: check the contents of every mysql.txt and config.xml on your frontend |
| [15:34:56] | rooter7: | K. |
| [15:34:58] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap: I'm a Glorious Leader, Get Me Out Of Here? |
| [15:35:12] | AndyCap: | harr harr. |
| [15:35:57] | sid3windr: | AndyCap: 16PM?! :p |
| [15:37:15] | rooter7: | My user mysql.txt points to /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt, and that is set right except it does not specify 127.0.0.1 . I know with mysql you must specify 127.0.0.1 and not localhost, or it will mess up. |
| [15:37:24] | laga: | sid3windr: 4am of course ;) |
| [15:37:25] | AndyCap: | sid3windr: uh, FALE. :-) |
| [15:37:38] | rooter7: | Is there a way to specify 127.0.0.1 in mysql.txt? |
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| [15:38:01] | skipjack: | laga: is this normal, that "top" shows me the tv_grab_... with 98% CPU ? |
| [15:38:08] | skipjack: | and it takes long? |
| [15:38:10] | sid3windr: | why would "localhost" "mess up" ? |
| [15:38:10] | iamlindoro: | rooter7: besides typing 127.0.0.1? Nope, nothing besides that |
| [15:38:20] | laga: | skipjack: shouldn't take that long, but give it a few minutes |
| [15:38:21] | sid3windr: | skipjack: yes |
| [15:38:28] | laga: | skipjack: using lots of CPU is good ;) |
| [15:38:44] | iamlindoro: | anyway, localhost w/ mysql is fine |
| [15:38:48] | skipjack: | hehe okay ;) hm 2x Xeon 3GB should work |
| [15:38:49] | rooter7: | iamlindoro: what is the variable name? |
| [15:38:51] | laga: | skipjack: mind you, the first perl script i've ever written might not be the most efficient thing |
| [15:38:56] | iamlindoro: | will only mess up if you haven't given proper permissions on the DB/host |
| [15:38:58] | rooter7: | I do not have that. |
| [15:38:59] | skipjack: | hehe |
| [15:39:22] | iamlindoro: | DBHostname |
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| [15:39:49] | skipjack: | no Problem ;) I hope it run's in 2 hours so I can put my 24" TFT to my Coffe/Eating Table |
| [15:40:38] | rooter7: | Blast, it didn't work. |
| [15:41:16] | rooter7: | I find in config.xml <DBHostName>localhost</DBHostName> which won't do. Can I just change that in a text editor? |
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| [15:41:50] | iamlindoro: | why don't you try it instead of asking each question in IRC? |
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| [15:42:27] | rooter7: | I don't want to wreck my whole entertainment system, making changes I don't understand. Isn't that what I'm supposed to do? |
| [15:43:00] | iamlindoro: | Asking each thing on IRC definitely isn't what you're supposed to do |
| [15:43:11] | iamlindoro: | in this case, I will personally guarantee that you can try this one |
| [15:43:11] | rooter7: | Can't win... |
| [15:43:16] | rooter7: | Never mind. |
| [15:43:36] | sphery: | rooter7: backup/copy the original file, then edit, then test, then--if it doesn't work--restore the backup |
| [15:44:14] | rooter7: | Thanks sphery. Hopefully that won't have consequences beyond that one file. |
| [15:45:20] | iamlindoro: | Nothing you do on frontend configuration files can affect the operation of the backend |
| [15:46:04] | rooter7: | Still no go. My favorite "No error type from QSqlError? Strange..." |
| [15:46:19] | sphery: | is it hitting the right mysqld? |
| [15:46:30] | iamlindoro: | Sounds like you need to let the big kids look at a pastebin of those logs |
| [15:46:38] | iamlindoro: | As that could be a number of things |
| [15:46:45] | rooter7: | Query was: |
| [15:46:47] | rooter7: | SELECT NULL; |
| [15:46:47] | iamlindoro: | such as no qt-mysql installed |
| [15:46:59] | iamlindoro: | no, not an excerpt pasted to the channel |
| [15:47:05] | iamlindoro: | the full logs, to a pastebin |
| [15:50:16] | rooter7: | I'll bet Myth required libqt3-mt-mysql. I'm running qt4.5. |
| [15:51:01] | stuarta: | if you are running 0.21 you need qt3 |
| [15:51:25] | ** iamlindoro is pretty sure he said that not five minutes ago ** | |
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| [15:51:59] | ** stuarta hasn't exactly been following the conversation ** | |
| [15:52:09] | iamlindoro: | stuarta: no, not you :) |
| [15:52:15] | iamlindoro: | the qt-mysql bit :) |
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| [15:52:36] | stuarta: | aye, cept for the qt version mismatch in the comment |
| [15:52:42] | rooter7: | yes running 0.21-fixes. But I wasn't here 5 minutes ago, and can't read minds. |
| [15:52:53] | iamlindoro: | uhhhh what? |
| [15:53:00] | iamlindoro: | You've been here much longer than 5 minutes |
| [15:53:08] | iamlindoro: | or was that when one of the other voices was in charge? |
| [15:53:22] | rooter7: | not arguing... |
| [15:53:23] | stuarta: | you've been here for 23 minutes |
| [15:54:01] | rooter7: | OK stuart 23 minutes, but the mysql issue must have been discussed earlier than 5 minutes ago as I wasn't here. |
| [15:54:16] | iamlindoro: | No, iwas discussed *literally* 9 minutes ago |
| [15:54:33] | iamlindoro: | amlindoro: As that could be a number of things (:46) |
| [15:54:45] | iamlindoro: | iamlindoro: such as no qt-mysql installed (:46) |
| [15:55:14] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [15:56:22] | sid3windr: | the cutie mysql bit |
| [15:56:24] | nambo: | we all arguing about nothing again? |
| [15:56:29] | nambo: | heh :P |
| [15:56:36] | meshe: | of course, this is IRC |
| [15:56:54] | stuarta: | comes with free irrelevant drivel |
| [15:57:01] | nambo: | whoa, you're right, for a second there i thought it was real life |
| [15:57:02] | nambo: | hehe |
| [15:57:03] | meshe: | and drama |
| [15:57:13] | iamlindoro: | The free irrelevant drivel comes with the free support |
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| [15:57:22] | iamlindoro: | and you get what you pay for |
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| [15:57:38] | rooter7: | OK I've found the reason and fixed it. Thanks for the argument... just the thing for Friday. :/ |
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| [16:34:44] | bsl: | can I use mediatomb as a backend upnp media server to my frontend? |
| [16:36:58] | sphery: | I don't think the frontend has any UPnP client capabilities, yet. |
| [16:37:04] | sphery: | Patches appreciated, though. |
| [16:39:27] | bsl: | sphery: thanks |
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| [16:45:16] | javatexan: | hows the best way to transcode DVD vobs into mp4? Do I have to concat all the vobs together first or can I transcode the vobs separately concat to same mp4 file? I am using perl to write this utility... |
| [16:47:04] | meshe: | javatexan: Handbrake or CloneDVD Mobile |
| [16:47:26] | meshe: | oh, sorry, didn't read all of it |
| [16:47:31] | javatexan: | lol |
| [16:47:31] | meshe: | not sure how to do it in perl |
| [16:47:40] | javatexan: | i use ffmpeg usually |
| [16:48:26] | laga: | meshe: lots of bit shifting? ;) |
| [16:48:39] | javatexan: | I am really just curious if I have to concat all the files first before using ffmpeg or if I can do them in serial >> them to same mp4 |
| [16:48:52] | meshe: | heh, i've never worked with video programatically |
| [16:49:01] | javatexan: | its a lot of fun |
| [16:49:09] | javatexan: | and very frustrating... :D |
| [16:49:12] | javatexan: | at times |
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| [16:50:35] | meshe: | you could look at this is doing it: http://search.cpan.org/~jred/dvdrip-0.98.10/lib/Video/DVDRip.pm |
| [16:51:06] | jeconti: | Is there a version of a restricted NVIDIA driver that is compatible with the cx18 driver needed for the Happauge HVR-1600? |
| [16:51:50] | skipjack: | hmm is there an Plugin for MythTV <=> Ampache? |
| [16:54:06] | superdug: | Hello, I've set the xmltvid for two channels not showing up in my guide. I've run database fill and restarted the backend and frontend numerous times. However there is still one channel I cannot get listings for in the programming guide (n.america schedules direct) |
| [16:54:29] | superdug: | they show up in my guide, but no programming information is available it's all "Unknown" |
| [16:54:49] | superdug: | every other channel loads and works fine |
| [16:56:10] | superdug: | I placed the xmltvid in the myth-setup channel editor |
| [16:58:15] | iamlindoro: | jeconti: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1004660 |
| [16:59:43] | iamlindoro: | superdug: Check tomorrow's listings for the channel |
| [16:59:55] | iamlindoro: | Of better yet, that channel two weeks from now |
| [17:00:13] | iamlindoro: | It's a common mistake not to run mythfilldatabase with the correct refresh options after changing XMLTVids |
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| [17:00:50] | iamlindoro: | heh, or just leave without a thanks |
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| [17:02:28] | superdug: | iamlindoro: looks like it's unknown for the next 2 months |
| [17:02:57] | iamlindoro: | Heh, you wouldn't have two months worth of data for anything |
| [17:03:21] | superdug: | but yeah, it's unknown everywhere in the guide |
| [17:04:53] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, what arguments did you give to mythfilldatabase? And does the XMLTVid exist in one of your lineups at schedulesdirect? ie you didn't go find an XMLTV at zap2it or something? |
| [17:05:29] | superdug: | I just ran mythfilldatabase no arguments |
| [17:05:49] | superdug: | and I got the xmltvid from hovering over the channel in my schedules direct lineup |
| [17:06:14] | iamlindoro: | --refresh-all --refresh-today |
| [17:06:44] | ** iamlindoro wonders why everyone does/suggests the hover thing instead of just clicking "Report" ** | |
| [17:08:33] | superdug: | --refresh-all --refresh-today guide still not showing |
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| [17:08:56] | ** dustybin ***THIS IS A AUTOMATIC MESSAGE FOR: iamlindoro*** IT IS NOW TIME FOR YOUR IRC BREAK. ** | |
| [17:09:30] | iamlindoro: | dustybin: you are really asking for a return to our old regime |
| [17:09:52] | superdug: | 15–1 26143 WMTVDT WMTVDT (WMTV-DT) |
| [17:09:53] | superdug: | 15–2 53100 WMTVDT2 WMTV-DT 2 |
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| [17:11:51] | darkdrgn2k3: | lol @ iamlindoro |
| [17:11:59] | superdug: | iamlindoro: mythfill log "Did not find any new programming data" |
| [17:12:23] | iamlindoro: | superdug: If you are looking at the secondary channel, it's entirely possible that there just isn't any |
| [17:12:58] | superdug: | it's both of those channels showing up as Unknown |
| [17:13:10] | juski: | my favourite series, that |
| [17:13:20] | juski: | it didn't get any good until the 12th season though |
| [17:13:38] | iamlindoro: | juski: Whichnow? |
| [17:13:42] | juski: | Unknown |
| [17:13:45] | iamlindoro: | Haha |
| [17:14:11] | juski: | buggers up myth's scheduler though, all the episodes having the same subtitle |
| [17:14:31] | superdug: | if mythfill has sh: wget: command not found ... will it use curl? |
| [17:14:54] | laga: | superdug: no. |
| [17:15:06] | ** juski sends a 'nice gift' to Red Bee for consistently messing up playback of an entirely prerecorded channel ** | |
| [17:15:15] | superdug: | then how is my program guide getting information? |
| [17:15:51] | iamlindoro: | A better question is, why in the world don't you have wget? |
| [17:16:28] | superdug: | fedora 11 and mac os x use curl instead of wget |
| [17:16:38] | juski: | pacman -gobble -gobble -avoid_ghosts grab wget |
| [17:16:54] | juski: | curl != wget ;) |
| [17:16:56] | laga: | juski: ah, i see you're using arch as well now ;) |
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| [17:17:21] | superdug: | juski: they can be used in much the same way to grab internets tough |
| [17:17:39] | juski: | superdug: ahh yes, but unless you alias wget to curl ... |
| [17:17:42] | jduggan: | man alias |
| [17:17:43] | jduggan: | ;] |
| [17:17:47] | ** jduggan nods @ juski ** | |
| [17:17:56] | juski: | and unless they do exactly the same thing with the same commandline options... |
| [17:18:06] | juski: | which, IIRC they do not... |
| [17:18:08] | superdug: | of course not :-) |
| [17:18:29] | iamlindoro: | better than emerge -nocrash -disableDBcorruption -nofail -l33t -juice -rice -spoiler -exhaustplus11 -nitrous wget I suppose |
| [17:18:48] | juski: | _minus_ nitrous? :-O |
| [17:19:07] | iamlindoro: | don't ask me to accurately depict gentoo insanity, please |
| [17:19:12] | juski: | hahaha |
| [17:19:31] | ** juski pats himself on the back for managing to stay off the interwebs for 7 days, anyway ** | |
| [17:19:31] | superdug: | emerge world && pray |
| [17:20:10] | superdug: | gentoo was a great tool for making me realize just how much polarization there is in the F/OSS world |
| [17:20:35] | juski: | any OSS project is a great way to discover that, once you begin to get even slightly involved |
| [17:21:09] | superdug: | juski: well my first foray of it was debian, which I quickly abandoned for slackware ... granted that was in the 90's |
| [17:21:55] | juski: | cue sleeping channel dwellers chipping in with their own distro prejudices/reminiscences |
| [17:22:11] | iamlindoro: | juski: did you hide gbee in a swamp while you were gone? |
| [17:22:46] | juski: | ummm nope |
| [17:23:03] | iamlindoro: | did you finish that variable size button patch, at least? ;) |
| [17:23:07] | iamlindoro: | 'cause now I need it |
| [17:23:07] | juski: | hahaha |
| [17:23:10] | superdug: | uncompressed 1080i is big |
| [17:23:15] | juski: | I needed it when I started it |
| [17:23:22] | iamlindoro: | superdug: How big do you think it is? |
| [17:23:34] | superdug: | iamlindoro: over 9000 |
| [17:23:35] | iamlindoro: | And what is your source of it? |
| [17:23:45] | iamlindoro: | over 9000 whats? |
| [17:23:52] | juski: | still do if I'm ever to convince mommy to up my crayons & put them in my pram again |
| [17:23:57] | juski: | *pick up |
| [17:24:42] | juski: | 9000 cubits of course iamlindoro, piped through a 4400 kiloquad incarcerator |
| [17:25:00] | iamlindoro: | Let me just convert that to stone per furlong/fortnight |
| [17:25:26] | superdug: | could you give it to me in hogsheads as well please? |
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| [17:26:00] | iamlindoro: | superdug: anyway, I think you might be misinterpreting something as there is basically no source of uncompressed material |
| [17:26:21] | iamlindoro: | a 1080 signal, uncompressed, is expressed in gigabits/second |
| [17:26:42] | juski: | uncompressed 1080i = 1920*1080*32*30 bits per second |
| [17:26:50] | juski: | aka quite a lot ;-) |
| [17:26:55] | iamlindoro: | It sounds like oyu are talking about 9000 Kb/s, which would be a moderate-moderate-low compressed broadcast signal |
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| [17:27:24] | iamlindoro: | ie heavily compressed versus a "real" uncompressed source, of which there are none |
| [17:27:36] | bsl: | iamlindoro: is there a quality difference (other than from interferrence) between optical audio and SDIF? |
| [17:27:36] | iamlindoro: | unless you count when it's in the cable between your GPU and your monitor |
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| [17:27:48] | superdug: | not true, look out your window with your eyes ... lossless |
| [17:27:49] | juski: | bsl: interference? sounds like BS |
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| [17:28:09] | bsl: | juski: optical doesn't get affected by magnetism |
| [17:28:19] | bsl: | juski: copper does |
| [17:28:20] | juski: | bsl: nor does coaxial |
| [17:28:23] | iamlindoro: | superdug: don't be disingenuous, you commented on uncompressed 1080i |
| [17:28:33] | juski: | not on any appreciable level considering the voltage levels involved |
| [17:28:45] | superdug: | iamlindoro: I broadly meant not mpeg-4, but wasn't specific |
| [17:28:48] | iamlindoro: | bsl: juski is correct, you will never be able to prove an audible difference between the two |
| [17:28:51] | bsl: | ...SO both streams are digital? same data? |
| [17:29:02] | juski: | you'd have bigger concerns if a magnetic field was inducing close to 1V pk-pk in a nearby cable |
| [17:29:05] | iamlindoro: | bsl: yes |
| [17:29:13] | bsl: | look, I said "other than" because I didn't want to get into this argument |
| [17:29:24] | bsl: | iamlindoro: k thanks |
| [17:29:29] | juski: | well, just pointing out the practicalities ;-) |
| [17:29:30] | iamlindoro: | except the "other than" isn't valid |
| [17:29:31] | iamlindoro: | :) |
| [17:29:50] | juski: | because there's a hell of a lot of BS written & spoken about digital audio |
| [17:30:17] | ** iamlindoro hands juski a unidirectional denon Cat6 cable ** | |
| [17:30:27] | juski: | and if optical cables were so immune from interference compared to copper cable, then why in the world would shops sell (for real) gold-plated optical cables ? |
| [17:30:33] | juski: | ;-) |
| [17:30:37] | bsl: | iamlindoro: i dont use anything other than monster |
| [17:30:49] | ** iamlindoro hopes bsl is joking ** | |
| [17:30:54] | ** bsl waits for freakout ** | |
| [17:30:54] | superdug: | juski: Monster Gold == superior ... that's why |
| [17:31:01] | juski: | http://www.amazon.co.uk/Plated-Digital-Optica . . . p/B001ANDV2A |
| [17:31:08] | iamlindoro: | coat hangars for everyone |
| [17:31:15] | bsl: | no no, i get all my cables from monoprice.com |
| [17:31:37] | superdug: | which is awesome, if you're buying a lot ... their shipping is a killer |
| [17:31:46] | juski: | aaanyway, to all intents & purposes (to answer the original question).. NO there's no difference |
| [17:31:57] | superdug: | gold isn't even the most conductive metal :-/ |
| [17:32:47] | juski: | yeah but cooling your cables down to as near to absolute zero at home is hardly practical :P |
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| [17:33:39] | bsl: | http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp . . . amp;format=2 |
| [17:33:58] | bsl: | this is what I'm waiting on, just wanted to know if I could hook up for some old coax in the meantime |
| [17:34:15] | bsl: | it's got fancy metal connectors |
| [17:34:37] | iamlindoro: | The old coax will do an identical job |
| [17:34:41] | juski: | unless it's a long run it doesn't even have to be proper coax |
| [17:34:54] | juski: | just an ordinary cheap phono (RCA) cable will do |
| [17:35:06] | bsl: | juski: yeah that what i'd use |
| [17:35:08] | juski: | and you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference |
| [17:35:29] | juski: | put this way – once the signal becomes a problem you'll really notice |
| [17:36:39] | bsl: | well i had to order a DVI to HDMI connector anyway |
| [17:36:44] | juski: | was watching some digital satellite TV in a Spanish bar last night & noticed 'sparklies' onscreen from time to time. Puzzled me for a while before I figured they must've used too long/crap an HDMI cable ;) |
| [17:37:57] | juski: | and BTW.. WTF is it with the new craze of applauding when the bloody plane lands at the end of an _uneventful_ flight? FFS |
| [17:38:25] | superdug: | now that's ironic ... I just tried to use wget to get the wget binary for mac os x |
| [17:38:27] | ** juski should really stop flying cattle class ** | |
| [17:39:00] | bsl: | superdug: thats like using man to get the manpages on man |
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| [17:40:36] | juski: | or using tar to unwrap the tar source :P |
| [17:41:23] | legn: | Does anyone know if an EyeTV310 or FireDTV S2 will work with MythTV on a macintosh? |
| [17:41:40] | juski: | legn: not unless there are linux drivers for em |
| [17:42:18] | legn: | I wanted to run OS X |
| [17:42:26] | juski: | the firedtv s2 is that silly thing with a firewire output that sits in a floppy bay isn't it? |
| [17:42:53] | legn: | it's a box, but they make a floppy bay thing as well |
| [17:42:59] | juski: | ah |
| [17:43:07] | juski: | so, no use then |
| [17:43:44] | juski: | you could (in theory) set up something to make IPTV streams on the machine & then get myth to record them, but that'd be about as close as you'd be able to get |
| [17:43:55] | legn: | :( |
| [17:44:08] | juski: | I blame OSX for not having V4L |
| [17:44:32] | juski: | or myth for relying on V4L.. take your pick |
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| [17:45:09] | iamlindoro: | Heh, FireDTV S2, a box with no v4l support using a DVB format Myth doesn't support |
| [17:45:42] | legn: | What should I get for my powermac then to use with mythtv? |
| [17:46:02] | iamlindoro: | Nothing |
| [17:46:02] | juski: | S2 still no worky? :-( |
| [17:46:14] | superdug: | legn: I got an HDHomeRun for my mac myth setup |
| [17:46:24] | juski: | thought it was all pretty straightworward once the API was finalised |
| [17:46:32] | juski: | or is that still the rub? |
| [17:46:45] | iamlindoro: | juski: API is final, just no official myth support |
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| [17:47:29] | juski: | we could have a whip-around to buy generous people hardware so they can help code |
| [17:47:37] | juski: | *for the devices |
| [17:47:57] | iamlindoro: | Believe janneg intends to get it done, but doesn't have the dish set up at the moment |
| [17:48:14] | iamlindoro: | bad view from his location, IIRC, too |
| [17:48:18] | juski: | ach |
| [17:48:25] | legn: | HDHomerun seems to be DVB-C/T only :( |
| [17:48:36] | juski: | they plan a DVB-S version :) |
| [17:48:47] | iamlindoro: | There is no option on OS X for DVB-S or S2 |
| [17:48:48] | superdug: | QAM and ATSC yeah |
| [17:48:50] | juski: | but it won't decripple though |
| [17:48:57] | iamlindoro: | Mythbackend on Mac OS is not a supported configuration |
| [17:49:10] | legn: | bugger :( |
| [17:49:14] | superdug: | iamlindoro: really? it runs fine |
| [17:49:29] | iamlindoro: | it running and it counting as supported are two different things |
| [17:49:30] | juski: | that's not to say it's supported though |
| [17:49:59] | juski: | and if/when DVB-T2 devices ever show up... |
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| [17:51:56] | juski: | wonder if there's ever gonna be a HDHR box that doesn't look like a baboon's ass |
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| [17:52:30] | laga: | are they bright red? |
| [17:52:39] | iamlindoro: | It's not too awful in person |
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| [17:52:52] | iamlindoro: | set one up last weekend, not a bad experience at all |
| [17:56:30] | meshe: | the nice thing about the HDHR is that it can be hidden away in the server closet |
| [17:56:35] | meshe: | who cares what it looks like |
| [17:56:38] | juski: | just from the photos it looks like it's made to be hidden away |
| [17:56:50] | juski: | just like HTPCs :P |
| [17:57:12] | legn: | Are there any embedded-boxes running mythbackend I could get for dvb-s? |
| [17:57:46] | iamlindoro: | No embedded, no |
| [17:58:15] | ** sphery wonders why SD thinks the PBS documentary "The Natural History of the Chicken" is a movie ** | |
| [17:58:17] | legn: | So.. I need to get a pc and stuff linux on it? |
| [17:58:26] | iamlindoro: | There are a few fly-by-night operations that will sell you pre-fabbed myth boxes, but those are still just PCs running linux |
| [17:58:29] | iamlindoro: | legn: pretty much |
| [17:58:36] | juski: | sphery: prolly cos the labs say it is ;) |
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| [17:59:01] | sphery: | it wouldn't be so annoying if it didn't repeat so often |
| [17:59:02] | legn: | kinda silly :( |
| [17:59:08] | legn: | thx a lot for the help tho@ |
| [17:59:37] | iamlindoro: | legn: Why is it silly for you to need a pc with linux to run linux software made for a PC? |
| [17:59:40] | juski: | there were mutterings at work about porting myth to our (cough) STB form factor thingy. pity its chipset is useless (only up to D1 acceleration of h.264) |
| [18:00:19] | sphery: | would they have been able to get drivers for all the hardware in there? |
| [18:00:34] | legn: | cuz I'd like to run OS X |
| [18:00:37] | juski: | when we own the company that makes the chips... |
| [18:00:52] | iamlindoro: | legn: Still don't understand what makes it silly |
| [18:01:03] | juski: | though I doubt they'd open source enough of it to be a successful hobbyist PoS |
| [18:01:17] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [18:01:19] | bsl: | i thought about building a SBC frontend |
| [18:01:28] | iamlindoro: | legn: If someone with adequate skills to improve the OS X compile of myth to the point where it's considered supported comes along, Myth will get that capability |
| [18:01:32] | legn: | because I can shove any card for a pc in the mac, and make it work just fine – just not with mythtv it seems |
| [18:01:32] | bsl: | turns out all the good chips you have to buy in packs of 100 |
| [18:01:57] | iamlindoro: | legn: This is a community project-- if someone wants that capability, they can add it |
| [18:02:06] | iamlindoro: | patches cheerfully accepted, especially for that sort of thing |
| [18:02:24] | superdug: | bsl: thats why you tell the vendor selling the lot of 100 for a free sample ... |
| [18:02:29] | juski: | legn: so all myth needs is API level access to the hardware.. or else port V4L to OSX |
| [18:02:55] | iamlindoro: | But the Mac doesn't have an open tuner driver API, as juski says, and I don't see this project ever becoming one that writes drivers for foreign hardware |
| [18:02:57] | bsl: | superdug: do they fall for that? I always thought they would check that myompany actually existed |
| [18:03:14] | legn: | yeh, sorry – I shouldn't whine cuz I don't like the answer |
| [18:03:37] | superdug: | bsl: well I work for a company that prototypes stuff .. but generally asking for a sample is as simple as just asking for one |
| [18:03:42] | juski: | bsl: the big fat NDA & expecting you to part with a minimum order of 10,000 pieces usually separates the real companies from the fly-by-nights |
| [18:04:00] | juski: | depends entirely what the chip is |
| [18:04:15] | juski: | go to conexant asking for samples of their video chipsets, for example... oof |
| [18:04:33] | bsl: | i work on embedded systems for a government contractor, but I dont think they would appreciate me using the name to trick vendors |
| [18:04:34] | superdug: | bsl: also you can usually buy one off's at a bit of a markup from digikey or graybar ...etc |
| [18:05:19] | juski: | I got our purchasing dept to look into getting a datasheet for a conexant video (mpeg2) encoder once. set off several alarm bells |
| [18:05:21] | superdug: | bsl: and if you don't mind hunting and translating .. you can usually buy almost anything one off from hong kong/china |
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| [18:05:52] | juski: | they wanted to know all kinds of info, then wanted to send a rep over to interview us |
| [18:05:55] | superdug: | bsl: for giggles and ha-ha's ... what chip are you looking for? |
| [18:06:26] | bsl: | well I ended up with COTS components, but I was looking for H.264 hardware encoding chips |
| [18:06:32] | juski: | meh |
| [18:06:35] | juski: | fat chance |
| [18:06:43] | iamlindoro: | Heh, you'll need at *least* an NDA for that one |
| [18:06:44] | bsl: | there are some out there |
| [18:06:44] | juski: | everybody keeps their IP close to their chest |
| [18:06:54] | juski: | NDA please, and MOQ of 10,000 |
| [18:06:59] | superdug: | bsl: give me an example of one |
| [18:06:59] | iamlindoro: | most likely an NDA and a .. yeah :) |
| [18:07:25] | bsl: | superdug: all my bookmarks are on a computer with the power supply poped out |
| [18:07:27] | juski: | either an actual order for 10,000 or a legally binding promise to buy that amount |
| [18:07:52] | superdug: | juski: you can generally get out of those if prototyping fails |
| [18:08:07] | juski: | yeah well it's all hassle we can live without |
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| [18:08:43] | juski: | I've personally sacked off about 3 imaging sensor manufacturers because they wouldn't do business on a reasonable basis |
| [18:09:13] | juski: | like er.. before we decide to buy 10,000 let us have a dev kit to make our minds up first.. oh no, you say? Goodbye! |
| [18:09:39] | juski: | and it's not like the company I work for is a bit-player in our particular market |
| [18:10:00] | juski: | aanyway... |
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| [18:10:19] | bsl: | superdug: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.264/MPEG-4_AVC . . . ons#Encoding |
| [18:10:26] | bsl: | best I can find on short notice |
| [18:11:02] | juski: | I remember why I came on my laptop in the 1st place now.. how to make a caipirihnia |
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| [18:25:39] | superdug: | bsl: http://www.mds.com/products/product.asp?prod=MG-COMET3-KIT |
| [18:25:43] | superdug: | oh he left lol |
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| [18:30:37] | juski: | meh. needn't have searched for that |
| [18:34:50] | superdug: | juski: well it's $5k ... not exactly chumpchange for a dev board |
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| [18:35:31] | iamlindoro: | Especially since you're still saddled with a closed API that would not allow for the code to be added to myth |
| [18:39:08] | juski: | bugger. come back from holiday & find there are no fresh limes in the kitchen |
| [18:40:20] | Dagmar: | You must have forgotten to call the lime delivery ninjas before you left |
| [18:40:38] | laga: | Dagmar: that'd only explain if there were way too many limes |
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| [18:41:06] | Dagmar: | They have a discretionary policy on deliveries. No limes you didn't request. |
| [18:41:17] | Dagmar: | They're not selling CDs and cassettes after all |
| [18:41:40] | Dagmar: | Alternatively, irradiated limes stay fresh on their own. |
| [18:41:47] | laga: | wee. |
| [18:42:01] | Dagmar: | ...and they're easier to find at night. |
| [18:42:03] | laga: | okay, is there something vnc-ish which is not slow over a gigabit link? |
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| [18:42:20] | Dagmar: | laga: X.org |
| [18:42:57] | laga: | meh. i wanna use my complete desktop session, x11vnc-ish ;) |
| [18:43:08] | Dagmar: | You can do that. |
| [18:43:13] | laga: | xdmcp? |
| [18:43:15] | meshe: | ssh -Y me@host startx |
| [18:43:24] | Dagmar: | That's basically one of the things it's for, yeah |
| [18:43:31] | juski: | vnc slow? |
| [18:43:40] | juski: | there's always freenx :) |
| [18:43:53] | laga: | Dagmar: yeah, i guess i can run one of those rootless X servers here.. |
| [18:43:56] | laga: | or try freenx ;) |
| [18:44:02] | Dagmar: | nx is good enough |
| [18:44:30] | Dagmar: | Although honestly, over gig-e, even freaking VNC should be fast unless youv'e still somehow got compression turned on |
| [18:44:31] | ben_unreg: | about the firedtv s2: its wprking ... partially under linux/mythtv |
| [18:45:19] | laga: | Dagmar: i'm basically just using kate over vnc. *shrug* |
| [18:45:32] | laga: | it is using tight encoding, though |
| [18:46:24] | laga: | there are some caching options i could try, too |
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| [18:52:19] | juski: | IMHO the standard linux VNC client is a bit sucky – no easy way to change options on the fly AFAIK |
| [18:53:49] | ** J-e-f-f-A preferrs NX... ;-) ** | |
| [18:54:15] | ** J-e-f-f-A <3 NX ** | |
| [18:54:23] | iamlindoro: | The Mac NX Client drives me crazy, I've never managed to get it working properly |
| [18:54:57] | jams: | laga i have found using kate and fish or sftp protocals works well. |
| [18:55:01] | ben_unreg: | about the firedtv: anyone else got this card working under mythtv? |
| [18:55:36] | laga: | jams: yeah, but i don't have kate on this box and i also need eclipse etc from the other box |
| [18:55:54] | jams: | figured, but it was worth the suggestion |
| [18:55:58] | laga: | ;) |
| [18:56:07] | juski: | iamlindoro: I used to have trouble with windows NX clients on the last server version I used |
| [18:56:33] | iamlindoro: | juski: Can't seem to recall what the issue was, but I believe it liked to just fail silently |
| [18:56:35] | juski: | now on whatever version it is I've got, I can resume sessions & even use a portable client :) |
| [18:56:47] | juski: | yeah seen that too, with no obvious logging |
| [18:56:55] | iamlindoro: | right |
| [18:57:12] | meshe: | i would just XForward Eclipse over Gig, we were planning on doing that here for our development servers |
| [18:57:49] | laga: | meshe: for me it's a matter of using my normal environment, which is "everything on my laptop" – yeah, i'm being lazy ;) |
| [18:58:11] | meshe: | export your homedir? |
| [18:58:38] | juski: | meh. people still talking about updating pooptoobs |
| [18:58:41] | laga: | meshe: still not going to give me KDE 3 – running a different distro on the laptop |
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| [19:00:29] | hk134286_: | Hello, I need. Help. I yesterday updated my mythbuntu 9.04, since then I was not able to view live TV. Recording works fine, but I couldn't swith to view TV. |
| [19:01:00] | juski: | time to look in /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log |
| [19:01:26] | superdug: | how is NX different than VNC ? |
| [19:01:37] | iamlindoro: | about a bajillion times faster |
| [19:02:05] | iamlindoro: | resumable unique sessions |
| [19:02:14] | hk134286_: | I looked at the mythfrontend.log, but it seems I'm to stupid to understand it. |
| [19:02:16] | superdug: | well that's debatable ... seeing as various incarnations work better than others |
| [19:02:29] | meshe: | laga: someone at work years ago was running their full X environment exported over ssh to a Windows machined Gnome and all |
| [19:02:35] | iamlindoro: | Why ask the question? Seems you just want to argue the answer |
| [19:02:45] | meshe: | i don't remember how they did it |
| [19:02:54] | iamlindoro: | hk134286_: Especially since the instruction was to look at the backend log ;) |
| [19:02:54] | laga: | meshe: xdmcp probably |
| [19:03:08] | juski: | hk134286_: frontend log isn't much use, and don't take this the wrong way fella but let more experienced folks be the judge of its contents ;-) |
| [19:03:19] | superdug: | iamlindoro: Faster is debatable, however, encryption or compression or scaling are not |
| [19:03:58] | iamlindoro: | superdug: Sorry, I was under the impression you wanted the answer to the question you asked, didn't realize you were setting up to express your own opinion instead |
| [19:04:01] | hk134286_: | Oh sorry, I'll also locked at the backend log. But this seems to be OK. The crazy thing is, that recording works, only live TV didn't work. |
| [19:04:23] | iamlindoro: | We use NX for the reasons I listed. If you don't want to use it or disagree, don't use it |
| [19:04:27] | superdug: | iamlindoro: It's faster, thank you |
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| [19:04:50] | iamlindoro: | My experience with it being faster is non-debatable, it's tangible |
| [19:04:58] | hk134286_: | There's an error meesage in the mythfrontend.log, but I didn't no what the cause of the error is. |
| [19:04:59] | juski: | hk134286_: 'seems to be ok'.. that'll be your own interpretation then |
| [19:05:13] | juski: | and without seeing it, nobody will be any the wiser |
| [19:05:21] | iamlindoro: | hk134286_: juski is correct, if you want our input, let us do the interpretation of logs |
| [19:05:37] | iamlindoro: | "it's broken but everything seems fine to me!" will get you nowhere |
| [19:05:37] | ** J-e-f-f-A uses NX because it's almost like being directly on the box, it's that fast, even over a WAN... ** | |
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| [19:05:57] | juski: | J-e-f-f-A: all well & good, if the client works fine ;) |
| [19:06:03] | hk134286_: | juski: Ok, then I'll look first at the backend.log. |
| [19:06:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | juski: Yeah, occasionally the windoze client doesnt' connect properly and I have to kill any nx* processes manually, but that's like 1/1000 for me... (not sure about other clients though) |
| [19:07:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | hk134286_: pastebin it – not in the channel – on http://mythtv.pastebin.ca |
| [19:08:00] | superdug: | iamlindoro: The only reason I question NX is because of implementations such as http://www.karlrunge.com/x11vnc/ |
| [19:09:51] | iamlindoro: | superdug: If you can find a VNC implementation that even *approaches* NX speed, more power to you, but the experience of myself and everyone else I know who has used it has been that it is like being on the machine, an experience unparalleled in our experience with VNC |
| [19:10:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | superdug: If you've ever used 'remote desktop' over a local LAN, well, NX is that fast over a WAN connection... |
| [19:10:05] | iamlindoro: | But that discussion has gotten boring |
| [19:10:22] | superdug: | and I'm going to try it out because I'm honestly curious |
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| [19:10:49] | hk134286_: | J-e-f-f-A: One moment. |
| [19:10:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | "Once you've gone NX, you'll never go back!" ;-) (Oh wait, did I get that mixed up? ;-) ) |
| [19:11:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | hk134286_: then you just paste the LINK to the pastebin in the channel. Keeps from flooding the channel. |
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| [19:11:52] | superdug: | VNC is plagued mainly by the fact that the main players in the "free/open" VNC client/servers are focusing on their pay-for products more than anything |
| [19:16:33] | hk134286_: | J-e-f-f-A: I restarted my mythbackend, no frontend started the log ist there: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1466619 |
| [19:17:34] | iamlindoro: | That backend log doesn't show any attempt to watch television |
| [19:17:39] | iamlindoro: | which will not help us |
| [19:18:22] | iamlindoro: | It's generally a good idea to try to reproduce your problem if you wish us to solve it ;) |
| [19:20:07] | hk134286_: | J-e-f-f-A: Additional Warning in the backend-logthat comes some seconds after I started the backend: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1466624 |
| [19:20:42] | ** iamlindoro gives up ** | |
| [19:20:58] | cornell: | Having a problem... my mythtv was working, mostly, and now it seems my one frontend, with PVR350, won't record or allow live tv. I get lots of messages: "error select timeout ivtv driver has stopped responding" |
| [19:21:19] | juski: | frontends with tuner cards? what will they think of next? |
| [19:21:38] | juski: | that would be what *I* would call a _combined_ frontend/backend box! |
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| [19:21:58] | iamlindoro: | juski: You and your accurate naming |
| [19:22:02] | hk134286_: | juski: Did you mean me? |
| [19:22:11] | juski: | hk134286_: did I say you? |
| [19:22:45] | juski: | hk134286_: as iamlindoro said, there's no evidence of you trying to watch TV in that log. get the log output from trying to reproduce the problem & then we can proceed |
| [19:22:56] | cornell: | I googled the message and found a thread from 2008, that mostly ended with comments about it's no longer a problem since ivtv merged in 2.6.22. |
| [19:23:03] | hk134286_: | I'm not sure, I've a combined front/backend so I thought it could be that you mean ... |
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| [19:23:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | hk134286_: As iamlindoro notes, you didn't attempt to watch TV, which is what your question was about. — and I don't have access to Sat DVB here in the US, so somebody on your side of the pond would be better to look at the logs. |
| [19:23:41] | J-e-f-f-A: | hk134286_: I wanted to make sure you used a pastebin instead of pasting the log(s) to the channel. |
| [19:23:48] | iamlindoro: | Once those logs actually indicate an attempt to cause the problem, of course |
| [19:23:56] | hk134286_: | Thanks J-e-f-f-A. |
| [19:24:56] | hk134286_: | Is there somebody online from europe who uses the ASTRA satalite? |
| [19:25:03] | iamlindoro: | SADG:KHASGLKHA:KG |
| [19:25:20] | iamlindoro: | hk134286_: as we are all trying to tell you, PLEASE attempt to reproduce your problem, THEN pastebin the logs |
| [19:25:40] | iamlindoro: | when you come in and say liveTV doesn't work, and then pastebin logs with NO ATTEMPT TO WATCH LIVE TV, we cannot help!!! |
| [19:26:37] | iamlindoro: | oh wait, I had given up, hadn't it? Back to the mines |
| [19:27:18] | SHADOW_V1: | hi oh hi oh |
| [19:27:20] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: minesweeper? Ooh, I'm good at that game! What's your best time??? ;-) |
| [19:27:25] | hk134286_: | Sorry |
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| [19:29:23] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: uh... 7? |
| [19:30:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: hehe... I just blasted out a 75 on Intermediate... ;-) (40 mines in a 16x16 grid... ;-) ) |
| [19:30:56] | iamlindoro: | In that case, me too! |
| [19:30:59] | hk134286_: | So, I started the frontend and tried to switch to live TV. Here's the mythbackend.log: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1466664 |
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| [19:37:46] | ** iamlindoro contemplates leaving early while the boss is out of the office ** | |
| [19:37:57] | Dagmar: | GOGOGO |
| [19:37:58] | iamlindoro: | It is Friday after all |
| [19:38:00] | ** J-e-f-f-A does the same... ;-) ** | |
| [19:39:17] | SHADOW_V1: | i say go enjoy |
| [19:39:20] | SHADOW_V1: | RUN |
| [19:39:51] | iamlindoro: | "Well you didn't say I *couldn't* go!" |
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| [19:40:14] | J-e-f-f-A: | Of course, you'd be leaving VERY early... ;-) Only 1:15 early for me! ;-) |
| [19:40:49] | SHADOW_V1: | it seems like firewire is being a bit reliable WOOO |
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| [19:44:25] | new2linx: | is www.mythtvthemes.co.uk down? |
| [19:44:53] | iamlindoro: | Hasn't been up in.. uh, years? |
| [19:44:57] | GreyFoxx: | long gone |
| [19:44:58] | iamlindoro: | at least a year anyway |
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| [19:45:12] | iamlindoro: | Maybe a bit more |
| [19:45:38] | new2linx: | i am trying to find themeinfo.xml for glasswide |
| [19:45:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V1: That's good news, as I'm going to be calling FiOS today to initiate the switch to FiOS TV – Don't expect to get anything via firewire capture, but channel-changing without lirc will be nice... |
| [19:46:49] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Think a lot of the FIOS TV folks get at least the locals via firewire |
| [19:47:03] | SHADOW_V1: | J-e-f-f-A, yea its nice have one cable going from stb to your be i have a motorola dch3200 and i am on comcast |
| [19:47:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: cool. ;-) Hopefully my HDHR will pick them up too. ;-) |
| [19:47:17] | SHADOW_V1: | locals are better than noting |
| [19:47:38] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Yes, they modulate QAM at the side of the house, so your HDHR *should* work |
| [19:47:45] | iamlindoro: | for whatever is unencrypted, of course |
| [19:47:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | I get 22 channels via roof-top antenna with the HDHR now. ;-) |
| [19:48:05] | J-e-f-f-A: | (well, including the sub-channels) |
| [19:48:26] | SHADOW_V1: | the more i use mythtv the more i love it its great |
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| [19:49:17] | juski: | my ears are burning ;-) |
| [19:49:38] | juski: | new2linx: there never was a themeinfo.xml for it |
| [19:49:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V1: Yeah, it may not be as 'pretty' as other solutions, but it sure blows them away in functionality... and 0.22 will address many of the 'pretty' issues... ;-) |
| [19:49:48] | new2linx: | i have it installed from the ubuntu repos but mythfrontend complains it's missing that file. |
| [19:50:06] | iamlindoro: | That's what happens when trying to use versions of themes for versions of myth they don't belong to |
| [19:50:09] | juski: | new2linx: you can ignore that error message. the file isn't important yet |
| [19:50:12] | new2linx: | juski, oh. i thought maybe that was the reason my letters are off in the theme. |
| [19:50:17] | juski: | nope |
| [19:50:23] | iamlindoro: | juski: Well it's important *now* :) |
| [19:50:27] | iamlindoro: | just not for the masses |
| [19:50:37] | new2linx: | juski, i have been goggling the letter problem for 24 hours now and havn |
| [19:50:38] | SHADOW_V1: | J-e-f-f-A, eh it functions and i dont think its bad really i mean sure there are some usability issues but come on it works its free and allows you to do great things |
| [19:50:45] | new2linx: | haven't yet found a solution. |
| [19:51:01] | juski: | that'd be because you A) have font(s) missing B) are running a wide theme at a 4:3 resolution or C) it's something I messed up because I was lazy |
| [19:51:10] | iamlindoro: | And people wonder why That Justin Guy doesn't write any more themes |
| [19:51:15] | iamlindoro: | Oh there you are ratting yourself out |
| [19:51:22] | juski: | new2linx: which screen? |
| [19:51:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V1: I'm not complaining, believe me... ;-) I Love MythTV, and have been hooked since day-1 — about 5 years ago for me IIRC... |
| [19:51:50] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Ah, way back in aught-four |
| [19:51:52] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
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| [19:52:07] | juski: | I run glass-wide at 720x576, having mangled my DISPLAYSIZE appropriately ;-) and there don't seem to be any issues where text is misaligned or running into other text |
| [19:52:25] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) |
| [19:52:46] | new2linx: | juski, mythweather, also mythmusic, letters are getting cut off etc etc. |
| [19:52:59] | juski: | never themed mythweather for that theme |
| [19:53:04] | juski: | so discount that one |
| [19:53:16] | iamlindoro: | Pretty sure I explained that yesterday |
| [19:53:20] | juski: | and mythmusic.. erm.. no problems here as far as I've been about to tell |
| [19:53:36] | juski: | mythweather could do with being killed off IMHO |
| [19:53:41] | iamlindoro: | mythweather is the devil to theme |
| [19:53:54] | juski: | cough.. erm.. I mean I need to rewrite it one day |
| [19:54:12] | juski: | 12th of never is a likely ETA on that |
| [19:54:19] | iamlindoro: | I say kill it off, use gbee's notification widget |
| [19:54:22] | J-e-f-f-A: | mythweather was beautiful before we stopped scraping weather.com... :-( But I can understand why that had to change... |
| [19:54:23] | iamlindoro: | (once written) |
| [19:54:41] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: it was MSN |
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| [19:54:55] | sphery: | only the map came from weather.com |
| [19:55:02] | sphery: | and, TTBOMK, some still do |
| [19:55:09] | iamlindoro: | Or keep it as a "backend" and do the UI in the notification widget, with a jumppoint to bring it up |
| [19:55:10] | new2linx: | juski, can you point me in a direction to mangle my DISPLAYSIZE then? |
| [19:55:25] | juski: | Option DISPLAYSIZE 400 220 |
| [19:55:31] | juski: | (or whatever) in xorg.conf |
| [19:55:41] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah--many of these things have no business being full-on plugins |
| [19:55:45] | juski: | though you *really* should be running it on a 16:9 display |
| [19:55:51] | sphery: | new2linx: wiki.mythtv.org |
| [19:55:59] | new2linx: | sphery, thank you |
| [19:56:00] | sphery: | new2linx: there's a /very/ detailed page there |
| [19:56:06] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: Ah, ok. ;-) and the google weather api isn't good enough for everything yet... but can give basic info... |
| [19:56:10] | iamlindoro: | sphery: At least a couple of them, anyway |
| [19:56:24] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:56:27] | juski: | N.B. some video drivers insist on using different syntax/stuff for DPI mangling |
| [19:56:44] | sphery: | bring MythVideo and MythMusic into mythbackend/mythfrontend |
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| [19:57:05] | sphery: | Then MythNews and MythWeather as notification stuff |
| [19:57:11] | iamlindoro: | yar |
| [19:57:18] | juski: | wot, no nightmarish per-frontend paths for every media file? what heresy is this? ;-) |
| [19:57:22] | sphery: | or, they could stay plugins, but just not be a "full screen" kind of thing |
| [19:57:47] | sphery: | mythgallery I'm not sure about, though |
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| [19:58:31] | sphery: | and MythBrowser should become just a popup of the browser widget |
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| [19:58:39] | sphery: | (rather than a separate process, as is now) |
| [19:58:55] | iamlindoro: | AIUI paul did that to keep a crash from bringing down the FE |
| [19:59:15] | sphery: | yeah |
| [19:59:20] | sphery: | but is it that crashy? |
| [19:59:34] | juski: | ole konq? meh |
| [19:59:44] | juski: | shurely ish |
| [20:00:00] | sphery: | no, the QtWebKit stuff |
| [20:00:12] | juski: | hope not |
| [20:00:23] | iamlindoro: | I haven't had it crash on me |
| [20:00:29] | iamlindoro: | at least, not any more often than the rest of the FE |
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| [20:00:55] | iamlindoro: | Now if you want to really see crashes, just try playing TV with your MythTV :) (in trunk) |
| [20:01:47] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: although the Google Weather API does seem to show current conditions, and basic forcast (low/high/conditions) for 3 days super-quick via: http://www.google.com/ig/api?weather=Boston (or zip code, city name,state , etc) |
| [20:02:53] | juski: | they have a movies API yet? |
| [20:03:01] | sphery: | J-e-f-f-A: if you know perl, you could hack together a new grabber script for it (as current MythWeather supports pluggable grabbers) |
| [20:03:26] | sphery: | and--assuming google does the whole world--it may be very much appreciated by non-US users |
| [20:03:27] | J-e-f-f-A: | sphery: I don't know perl... :-( But could possibly hack my way though it. ;-) |
| [20:03:36] | sphery: | yeah, don't let that stop you |
| [20:03:36] | iamlindoro: | juski: yep http://www.google.com/ig/api?movies=95136 |
| [20:03:40] | juski: | J-e-f-f-A: that's no excuse |
| [20:03:45] | sphery: | I don't know perl, but I've written a /lot/ of perl scripts |
| [20:03:54] | juski: | sphery: ditto ;-) |
| [20:03:56] | iamlindoro: | Note that I learned this by changing "weather" to "movies" in J-e-f-f-A's link :) |
| [20:04:01] | juski: | well, not a lot.. |
| [20:04:24] | sphery: | However, when a grabber script is broken, I generally defer to someone who knows what they're doing (i.e. meshe ) |
| [20:04:49] | iamlindoro: | juski: UK: http://www.google.com/ig/api?movies=manchester |
| [20:04:54] | juski: | oh nice.. so if it's XML'd it'll be fair game to grab then :) |
| [20:05:03] | iamlindoro: | View source, it is |
| [20:05:07] | juski: | *finally* |
| [20:05:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: no *bleep* cool... ;-) |
| [20:05:23] | sphery: | iamlindoro: there's always only 3 |
| [20:05:28] | juski: | might set to & fix the google movies script then |
| [20:05:30] | iamlindoro: | I just work here |
| [20:05:36] | sphery: | xml'ed doesn't make it fair game |
| [20:05:50] | sphery: | ToS (may) make it fair game, though |
| [20:05:54] | sphery: | we need to find ToS |
| [20:05:58] | juski: | never did before |
| [20:06:02] | iamlindoro: | I only confirmed that there was one, couldn't tell you how to get the right number of movies |
| [20:06:04] | juski: | doubt it will now either |
| [20:06:35] | J-e-f-f-A: | woah... "The Proposal" opens tonight? Part of that movie was filmed in the office building I used to work in... (the Immegration office) ;-) I saw Sandra Bullocks in person there... ;-) |
| [20:06:51] | iamlindoro: | You saw her bullocks? |
| [20:06:56] | iamlindoro: | What kind of scene was this? |
| [20:06:58] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: hehehe... ;-) |
| [20:07:02] | juski: | aha. add &count=$foo to the URL :) |
| [20:07:37] | sphery: | iamlindoro: http://google.com/movies (uses ip geolocation to guess where :) |
| [20:07:57] | juski: | hrm maybe not |
| [20:08:11] | iamlindoro: | Just like services.mythtv.org soon will auto set up Myth for you, right? ;) |
| [20:08:30] | iamlindoro: | My goal for the weekend is to finish all remaining Graphite screens |
| [20:08:37] | iamlindoro: | (minus the non MythUI stuff) |
| [20:08:47] | iamlindoro: | Then as more widgets get added I can spice it up |
| [20:08:53] | juski: | or http://hurwi.net/map/parser2xml.php?loc=$foo |
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| [20:10:10] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, freegeolocation.org! |
| [20:10:20] | kormoc: | I have all the data, just gotta use it |
| [20:10:33] | ** iamlindoro taps his toe impatiently ** | |
| [20:10:37] | iamlindoro: | is it done yet? ;) |
| [20:10:46] | kormoc: | Wanna hire me? I'm cheap at $50 a hour! |
| [20:11:03] | jams: | sure but i expect it finished in 5 – 10 minutes |
| [20:11:09] | kormoc: | Drat! |
| [20:11:15] | kormoc: | foiled again! |
| [20:11:31] | ** iamlindoro draws up all the necessary papers ** | |
| [20:11:58] | kormoc: | jams, I uh... round up to the nearest... year! that's it, year! |
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| [20:12:14] | iamlindoro: | That's totally okay |
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| [20:12:34] | iamlindoro: | unfortunately I will be paying you on a bi-ice-agely basis |
| [20:12:41] | kormoc: | drat! |
| [20:13:19] | kormoc: | least it's not a bi-ice-agely in hades basis |
| [20:14:01] | sphery: | well, 2x per ice age is better than once per 2 ice ages |
| [20:14:13] | ** kormoc requests payment upfront ** | |
| [20:14:33] | iamlindoro: | Sure, I'll just need a canceled check and power of attornet |
| [20:14:35] | iamlindoro: | attorney |
| [20:14:45] | kormoc: | done! |
| [20:14:51] | kormoc: | you can have my negative net worth! |
| [20:14:59] | ** iamlindoro sells kormoc's kidneys and pays him ** | |
| [20:15:16] | iamlindoro: | You're probably going to want to get that checked out |
| [20:15:23] | iamlindoro: | Enjoy the bath I drew you, though |
| [20:15:31] | iamlindoro: | It's a little chilly |
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| [20:16:30] | sphery: | Isn't this a violation of ToS? http://code.google.com/p/imdb-api/ |
| [20:17:08] | iamlindoro: | almost certainl |
| [20:17:09] | Wicked: | hello all. im using vdpau with mythtv and it all seems to be working(watching hd content is barely using any cpu)...but on some videos or movies its kinda skipping around....and it goes pixelated and all blocky for a min or so then back to normal. is this indicating something is working right? |
| [20:17:11] | iamlindoro: | y |
| [20:17:19] | kormoc: | sphery, but he says it uses thetvdb not imdb, no matter the name! |
| [20:17:33] | sphery: | he says he uses thetvdb for tv |
| [20:17:37] | kormoc: | ahh |
| [20:17:38] | sphery: | but imdb for movies, right? |
| [20:17:45] | iamlindoro: | right |
| [20:18:34] | kormoc: | ahh, yeah, the code has http://ia.media-imdb.com/ in it |
| [20:19:17] | sphery: | http://google.com/movies has links to trailers and IMDb info on movies |
| [20:19:37] | sphery: | wonder if it's using kormoc's ip geolocating service. :) |
| [20:19:43] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [20:19:45] | kormoc: | I wish ;) |
| [20:20:00] | Wicked: | also when its doing this i notice this output from mythtv http://pastebin.com/m6d6021c2 |
| [20:20:24] | Wicked: | so it seems that its not vdpau? but something to do with audio? |
| [20:20:30] | kormoc: | Wicked, congratz, you have a broken stream |
| [20:20:42] | kormoc: | vdpau doesn't handle those so well |
| [20:21:02] | Wicked: | hmm. by broken stream you mean the video is fubar? |
| [20:21:18] | kormoc: | sphery, I also have forward and reverse address searching as well, that just has to get hooked up to the interface |
| [20:21:34] | kormoc: | Wicked, breaks standard, broken frames, something like that, yes |
| [20:21:51] | Wicked: | hmm. |
| [20:23:03] | sphery: | Wicked: though it will likely play just fine with ffmpeg/software decoding |
| [20:23:14] | sphery: | maybe with a few artifacts or something |
| [20:24:03] | Wicked: | oh ok. |
| [20:25:12] | Wicked: | now without getting to into detail..most of the x264 content i get is scene and they have standards. is it likely that this video is ripped wrong? or maby the file is incomplete? |
| [20:25:31] | kormoc: | We can't comment on that |
| [20:27:00] | laga: | yeah, the scene has standards. heh |
| [20:27:06] | laga: | pirate pride. ;) |
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| [20:28:41] | iamlindoro: | I would really like it if the channel were a bit more strict about those rules |
| [20:28:50] | jblack: | I wish I could add "mms://a627.l2479952251.c24799.g.lm.akamaistre . . . :52251" as a channel in the backend. |
| [20:29:04] | iamlindoro: | I would like a pony |
| [20:29:11] | laga: | iamlindoro: i was poking fun at him |
| [20:29:14] | jblack: | A pony would be nice. |
| [20:29:15] | Wicked: | hmm seems this is related to mythtv....i tried the same video in vlc(no vdpau) and it played fine. i then tried it in mplayer WITH vdpau and it also played fine. the only thing that is having issues playing it is mythtv |
| [20:29:19] | iamlindoro: | laga: I know :) |
| [20:30:20] | iamlindoro: | laga: This is why I should not have ops-- IMO first mention of questionable material = 5 minute ban. Second = 1 day ban, third = ban until I feel like it. :) |
| [20:30:41] | ** iamlindoro rules with an iron fist ** | |
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| [20:31:05] | ** kormoc rules with a putty fist ** | |
| [20:32:38] | iamlindoro: | This is why we still have certain elements :) |
| [20:32:50] | kormoc: | This is true |
| [20:32:52] | iamlindoro: | It's that, or one of the ops has an alter ego |
| [20:32:58] | ** kormoc bans *@* ** | |
| [20:33:06] | iamlindoro: | Which I have not dismissed as a possibility |
| [20:33:08] | superdug: | wow ... seriously ... a video you admit was ripped (IE: Copyright Infringement) ... and you want user support for it? How about this, go buy the DVD and use that? |
| [20:33:15] | meshe: | i tried glining *@* once, it wouldn't work :S |
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| [20:33:25] | kormoc: | Aww, sad |
| [20:33:31] | superdug: | meshe: of course not *!*@* is the correct format |
| [20:34:05] | ** kormoc sets mode +b on you. ** | |
| [20:34:10] | Dagmar: | "Now without getting into detail"... Translation "I think you're all idiots" |
| [20:34:13] | Wicked: | lol superdug i do own it on dvd and blueray. i just dont have the know how to make my own legal backups |
| [20:34:17] | meshe: | no, it's *@* |
| [20:34:32] | meshe: | the server said it was too broad |
| [20:34:34] | Dagmar: | Wicked: Well hey here's an idea. How about you learn how to rip your media properly. |
| [20:34:41] | Wicked: | everyone always assumes the worst |
| [20:35:07] | iamlindoro: | Why should we trust that you own it when you admit you've broken the law to get the copy you're trying to play? |
| [20:35:09] | kormoc: | Wicked, it's not a topic we welcome in here, why do you feel the rules don't apply to you? |
| [20:35:15] | Wicked: | Dagmar, maby i dont have the time? |
| [20:35:27] | Wicked: | kormoc, i dont. |
| [20:35:47] | iamlindoro: | "I don't have the time" is not a valid excuse for STEALING |
| [20:35:48] | Dagmar: | Wicked: Not our problem. PIRATED MEDIA IS NOT WELCOME HERE. |
| [20:35:50] | kormoc: | Wicked, when why continue bringing it up and making excuses? |
| [20:35:57] | meshe: | Jammie Thomas in Minn just got nailed for $80,000/song for 24 songs |
| [20:36:13] | iamlindoro: | "Your honor, I didn't get a job, I just robbed the bank, I just don't have the time for that kind of thing!" |
| [20:36:15] | Dagmar: | THOU SHALT NOT BRING HTE MPAA TO OUR DOORS, OR WE'LL FIND WHERE YOU LIVE AND BURN YOUR HOUSE DOWN. |
| [20:36:18] | Wicked: | iamlindoro, i own the phisical disc's |
| [20:36:29] | Wicked: | kormoc, im not. |
| [20:36:30] | iamlindoro: | Wicked: I don't believe you |
| [20:36:31] | Dagmar: | Wicked: Doesn't matter if you own them or not. |
| [20:36:39] | iamlindoro: | you have *proven yourself* untrustworthy |
| [20:36:46] | Wicked: | lol |
| [20:37:12] | jblack: | wicked; They're being unreasonably rude to you, but even if they were being polite, they still wouldn't have to help you unless they felt like it. |
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| [20:37:25] | Wicked: | jblack, obviously. |
| [20:37:42] | kormoc: | Let's just drop it, okay? |
| [20:37:44] | iamlindoro: | People who steal *should be* derided |
| [20:37:51] | iamlindoro: | They *should be* made to feel bad |
| [20:37:55] | Wicked: | im just trying to point out there is a issue with mythtv with playing some contents. thats all |
| [20:37:56] | jblack: | I vote for "drop it" |
| [20:38:02] | iamlindoro: | if their own conscience won't handle it, we will |
| [20:38:12] | nambo: | Dagmar is rude naturally, guy was born with a clefed a**hole |
| [20:38:19] | jblack: | iamlindoro: chill out, dude. IT's dropped. |
| [20:38:20] | Wicked: | lol |
| [20:38:38] | kormoc: | jblack, you only added fuel to the fire... |
| [20:38:39] | nambo: | :P |
| [20:38:43] | Dagmar: | Wicked: Invariably the problem is that the ripped media is broken in some way |
| [20:38:47] | jblack: | I like cheese. |
| [20:39:06] | Wicked: | Dagmar, but why do mplayer and vlc play it fine? |
| [20:39:09] | jblack: | And I like schedules direct. Myth rocks. |
| [20:39:19] | Dagmar: | Perhaps you should ask them. |
| [20:39:24] | Wicked: | mplayer having vdpau |
| [20:39:48] | Dagmar: | Show them your shiny pirated media and ask them what they did to get it to play |
| [20:39:57] | Wicked: | Dagmar, all i was trying to point out is both mplayer and vlc seem to play it fine. mythtv is the only thing that messes up like this. |
| [20:39:59] | kormoc: | Wicked, we don't care if it's not legally obtained |
| [20:40:06] | Dagmar: | No one cares. |
| [20:40:12] | Wicked: | lol |
| [20:40:20] | Dagmar: | We can't look at it, so we certainly can't comment about why it might or might not work. |
| [20:40:22] | Dagmar: | AHEM. |
| [20:40:23] | ** kormoc really will start +qing folks... ** | |
| [20:40:30] | ** iamlindoro calls forth the mightye banhammere of olde ** | |
| [20:40:48] | Dagmar: | This channel absolutely, positively, can NOT have anything to do with pirated anything. |
| [20:41:01] | Dagmar: | Fair use is an endangered animal as it is. |
| [20:41:09] | Dagmar: | This software lets a lot of people have fair use rights. |
| [20:41:14] | Wicked: | ok understandable. |
| [20:41:15] | Dagmar: | Greedy monopolists DON'T want that. |
| [20:41:28] | Dagmar: | They'll take any excuse to apply any pressure they can to shut down projects and communities like this. |
| [20:41:35] | Dagmar: | So there can be exactly *zero* pirated stuff going on here. |
| [20:42:09] | Dagmar: | ...and from a technical standpoint, since we can't analyze your media, there's no way anyone here could know why it will or won't play |
| [20:42:25] | Wicked: | on a side note. i have this video i converted to x264....a home video i made. mythtv seems to have issues playing it but other players seem to play it fine. any ideas? |
| [20:42:50] | jblack: | heh |
| [20:42:50] | laga: | Wicked: porn is not allowed either. |
| [20:42:51] | Dagmar: | You could probably figure it out yourself tho if you were to poke at it with midentify or some other tools that will tell you great heaping details about how it was encoded |
| [20:42:57] | Wicked: | lol |
| [20:43:10] | Dagmar: | h.264 in general is seriously resource-hungry |
| [20:43:35] | Wicked: | it is |
| [20:43:58] | Dagmar: | Unless you've got lots of CPU to spare, it's generally a matter of simply not having anything that can hardware accellerate h.264 playback aside from VDPAU (I think) |
| [20:44:09] | jblack: | Ok wicked, we're in business. Since you own the video, you can publicly post it up on the web where people can access it, and post a bug as per http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Bug_Tracking_System\ |
| [20:44:27] | superdug: | Dagmar: personally I send a check bi-monthly to every audio/visual company in the world in homage to their blessing of me with their product availability |
| [20:44:37] | Dagmar: | jblack: Um... "A copy" is not viewed as the same as "a fair use backup" in the eyes of the law |
| [20:44:39] | iamlindoro: | Yes, jblack's suggestion is a good one |
| [20:44:47] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar: If it's a home video it's fine |
| [20:44:52] | jblack: | dagmar: He said it's a home video he created. |
| [20:44:57] | iamlindoro: | That is, of course, if it *is* a home video |
| [20:44:57] | Dagmar: | Bullshit tho it migth be, it's been reviewed by judges and that was the ruling back in '02 |
| [20:45:02] | Dagmar: | The home video he can post tho |
| [20:45:05] | iamlindoro: | (which I don't believe for a second, but hey) |
| [20:45:07] | Wicked: | jblack, im on dial up and its a 10 gig file so i cant ;0 |
| [20:45:15] | ** kormoc sighs ** | |
| [20:45:25] | jblack: | wicked: So nobody could loook at it anyways! |
| [20:45:31] | Dagmar: | So if it's a 10Gb file it's pretty sure that it's just a high-bitrate you need MOAR MEGAHURTZ for |
| [20:45:49] | iamlindoro: | dd if=infile out=outfile bs=1024k count=10 |
| [20:45:51] | Wicked: | i have a gtx260 video card using vdpau |
| [20:45:54] | iamlindoro: | now it's a 10 MB sample |
| [20:45:59] | iamlindoro: | let us know when it's uploaded |
| [20:46:02] | Dagmar: | Wicked: Transcode a copy out at half the original rate and watch it probably play |
| [20:46:45] | ** iamlindoro wonders how those scene releases come down via dialup ** | |
| [20:46:52] | iamlindoro: | oh wait, it's just a red herring, I remember |
| [20:47:48] | ** kormoc is gonna crap bricks when Wicked's 'home' movie shows terminators... ** | |
| [20:47:53] | kormoc: | Skynet is real! |
| [20:47:53] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: maybe he's using an old-school sat link with dialup uplink and sat download? ;-) |
| [20:47:59] | Wicked: | iamlindoro, maby i used a freidns connection? |
| [20:48:15] | nambo: | sounds like he's having the age old issues with the mythtv addons |
| [20:48:20] | kormoc: | maybe you're just lieing and we're tired of it... |
| [20:48:29] | ** nambo shakes his fist at Mythmusic ** | |
| [20:48:31] | iamlindoro: | +1 kormoc |
| [20:48:40] | laga: | god, this discussion is so ridiculous |
| [20:48:52] | kormoc: | it's not witty or funny or useful in the least and only pisses me off with how stupid you must think we are to buy it... |
| [20:48:58] | Wicked: | you guys must be real bored today |
| [20:49:02] | jblack: | wicked: Then use your friend's connection to upload your home movies to your little $20/mo linode account. =) |
| [20:49:16] | Wicked: | whats linode? |
| [20:49:17] | J-e-f-f-A: | "Two guys walk into a bar – you'd think one of them would have seen it!" |
| [20:49:19] | jblack: | Then file a bug, and be patient, and wait. |
| [20:50:02] | SHADOW_V1: | J-e-f-f-A, whoa calm down with those my stomach hurts |
| [20:50:02] | kormoc: | Wicked, look, we're not going to help you, nor be able to help you, nor even want to help you, so you're just wasting everyone's time |
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| [20:51:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | Hehe... Well, I'm off... Happy Father's Day to all the Dads out there... ;-) ttyl. |
| [20:51:46] | juski: | hmm I heard a variation on the '2 guys walk into a bar joke' but the punchline was somewhat distasteful |
| [20:51:54] | nambo: | tell us |
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| [20:52:26] | Wicked: | so much for dropping it? |
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| [20:52:55] | jblack: | drop it like it's hot. Like it's hot. like it's hot. |
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| [21:01:49] | iamlindoro: | Two weeks 'til new Monkey Island |
| [21:02:55] | ** kormoc dances ** | |
| [21:02:59] | meshe: | Blu-ray player prices seem to be coming down |
| [21:03:33] | iamlindoro: | meshe: Looks like there's a $100 unit now |
| [21:03:39] | meshe: | nice |
| [21:03:48] | meshe: | lowest i've seen in stores is $250 |
| [21:03:53] | meshe: | fg |
| [21:04:03] | iamlindoro: | EngadgetHD had a story on the $99 unit today |
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| [21:04:50] | iamlindoro: | http://www.meijer.com/catalog/product.jsp?pro . . . id=commjunct |
| [21:04:55] | iamlindoro: | Looks like it sold out though |
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| [21:05:15] | iamlindoro: | Deal good through 7/31 though, so you could watch it |
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| [21:06:13] | meshe: | wow, $200 off |
| [21:06:22] | jblack: | I don't see the value in blueray |
| [21:06:57] | iamlindoro: | All a matter of personal tastes, I suppose, I can't stand to watch 720x480 any more |
| [21:07:02] | jblack: | Don't the dics sell for more |
| [21:07:13] | iamlindoro: | Sometimes, yes |
| [21:07:22] | ** jblack gacks. Discs, I meant ** | |
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| [21:08:02] | jblack: | You'd _hate_ tv here |
| [21:08:03] | iamlindoro: | Blu ray isn't about the money you save, it's about the quality of the product you get-- for me, the extra price on media is worth the vastly increased quality |
| [21:08:03] | sphery: | IMHO, if the definition (i.e. the lack of grain) is critical to the show, the show is severely lacking substance :) |
| [21:08:24] | sphery: | 720x480 all digital (never NTSC/PAL) is very nice quality |
| [21:08:35] | jblack: | sphery: Impossible to be "blond" and "smart" at the same time? :) |
| [21:08:48] | iamlindoro: | sphery: IMHO, if the show is immersive, then the experience is heightened that much more by seeing it in greater detail |
| [21:09:27] | jblack: | Ok. I'll buy that. |
| [21:10:16] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, i agree except not everything expreinces the benefit of hd or bluray |
| [21:10:21] | iamlindoro: | I mean, of course you can follow the same story regardless of definition, but if I see value in watching a more detailed, realistic representation of that story, and I am willing to spend money I paid for to get it, what does it matter? |
| [21:10:24] | sphery: | I would say, though, that the difference between NTSC and DVD-quality digital (never going through S-Video/Composite/RF-mod or any other garbage representation) is /huge/. The difference between DVD quality digital and HDTV-quality digital is /much/ smaller. |
| [21:11:20] | sphery: | yeah, there's nothing wrong with wanting/paying for Blu-Ray/high-def, but the difference in quality isn't great enough to make me pay the difference. |
| [21:11:25] | iamlindoro: | SHADOW_V1: Not everything gets a great transfer, but a well done transfer (and especially something filmed specifically to showcase HD) can make all the difference |
| [21:11:44] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, yeah i fully agree |
| [21:11:59] | jblack: | I think I'm unspoiled in those regards. Asside from the theatre, I've never seen anything better than dvd over svideo |
| [21:12:02] | iamlindoro: | There is plenty of material that was shovelware to get titles out in the format |
| [21:12:09] | jblack: | and most of what I watch is far, far below that |
| [21:12:20] | sphery: | Also, MPEG's dislike of very dark scenes seems to be a complete shame considering how many shows/movies have taken on a very dark character. |
| [21:12:42] | sphery: | though that affects DVD and HDTV and Blu |
| [21:12:45] | ** iamlindoro recommends Planet Earth on his 1080p projector -> 106" Projection screen :) ** | |
| [21:12:47] | jblack: | I consider that 30KB/sec bloomberg tv feed that I pasted earlier as "rather nice quiality" |
| [21:13:15] | iamlindoro: | Or the Dark Knight, that's my favorite fiction Blu Ray disk qualitywise so far |
| [21:13:34] | sphery: | 30KB/sec? you mean 30Mbps? |
| [21:13:41] | jblack: | No. KB. |
| [21:13:42] | iamlindoro: | Enough that even though it's probably disk 100 or so in my collection, I went, "Holy Crap!" |
| [21:14:09] | sphery: | so, like ~250kbps? |
| [21:14:37] | highzeth: | Agree on Planet Earth, do not agree on Batmate, totally worthless movie(of the year) imo |
| [21:14:44] | jblack: | it claims 177kbit, 21.6kbyte from mms://a627.l2479952251.c24799.g.lm.akamaistre . . . ector:52251. |
| [21:14:59] | sphery: | so, like YouTube quality? |
| [21:15:08] | jblack: | about that, yeah |
| [21:15:33] | iamlindoro: | highzeth: If you don't like the movie, I assume you don't own the blu ray? |
| [21:15:42] | sphery: | yeah, that's well below my quality level |
| [21:15:59] | jblack: | yer spoiled. |
| [21:16:02] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:16:13] | highzeth: | iamlindoro: no, I did see the first 15–20min at a mates house tho. I couldnt waste more time on it, rubbish movie |
| [21:16:35] | jblack: | I'm wtching that stream full screen, and loving it |
| [21:16:42] | sphery: | so, now I understand iamlindoro's point, but realize our scales are different |
| [21:17:13] | iamlindoro: | highzeth: Hardly a basis for commenting on the technical merit of the transfer, then :) |
| [21:17:42] | jblack: | You're big on SE, iamlindoro ? |
| [21:18:09] | iamlindoro: | jblack: SE? |
| [21:18:13] | highzeth: | iamlindoro: well, I couldnt care less for tech merits, if the plot/story is so bad I feel like using dental floss on my eyes after 10min |
| [21:18:15] | jblack: | special effects |
| [21:18:15] | iamlindoro: | Special Effects? |
| [21:18:28] | iamlindoro: | Don't really matter to me |
| [21:18:41] | highzeth: | Planet Earth did blow me away tho ;) |
| [21:18:58] | iamlindoro: | highzeth: Well, we can and do disagree on the story |
| [21:19:05] | sphery: | I really like spacial effects--thus my intrigue with SciFi. |
| [21:19:08] | jblack: | Dude. You're _ON_ planet earth. If you want to see Planet Earth, shut the fucking tv off and go OUTSIDE |
| [21:19:08] | iamlindoro: | but my comments didn't even mention the story, so wondering how it came into it |
| [21:19:27] | iamlindoro: | Talking about the technical quality of the transfer |
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| [21:20:03] | iamlindoro: | If I could go outside and see anything remotely resembling the subject matter of the documentary, I likely would spend much less time on IRC |
| [21:20:13] | jblack: | iamlindoro: I problably misunderstood, but I got the impression you like batman because of the way it looked. |
| [21:20:13] | highzeth: | iamlindoro: was more in line with sphery's comment earlier, if plot/story is good enough it doesnt *need* HD to present it ;) |
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| [21:20:44] | jblack: | iamlindoro: Get yourself a $5.99 magnifying lense, and turn over your nearest rock. You might be surprised. |
| [21:21:10] | iamlindoro: | jblack: I don't recall you being this pushy in the past, would you like to lecture the rest of us on anything else before the day ends? |
| [21:21:11] | meshe: | thank goodness it's friday |
| [21:21:13] | ** kormoc finds it very hard to turn over the nearest rock, it's covered in tar and under some car wheels ** | |
| [21:21:22] | jblack: | Ouch. SOrry. |
| [21:21:34] | iamlindoro: | Maybe you could tell me about my commitment problems too? |
| [21:21:34] | jblack: | You're right. I'm being pushy. Sorry again. |
| [21:21:46] | jblack: | Well, now that you mention it... When's the last time you called her? |
| [21:21:49] | iamlindoro: | s'ok |
| [21:21:59] | ** meshe laughs ** | |
| [21:22:00] | iamlindoro: | She was over last night, I just nudged her ;) |
| [21:22:18] | jblack: | You screwd up there too! |
| [21:22:21] | kormoc: | So that's what the kids are calling it these days eh? |
| [21:22:28] | jblack: | You had a girl in bed, and all you did was nudge her? |
| [21:23:05] | jblack: | You coulda (/me makes a vulgar motion) or even (/me makes another vulger motion). All you did was an underrated shove? You should be ashamed? |
| [21:23:09] | ** kormoc rolls for noisy nookie and wonders if there's any steve jackson lovers in here ** | |
| [21:23:26] | jblack: | Maybe look at some blue-ray pr0n for inspiration. =D |
| [21:23:41] | ** jblack gets out of pushy mode ** | |
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| [21:25:59] | iamlindoro: | Blu ray porn and a love for girl next door types are incompatible with one another |
| [21:26:11] | iamlindoro: | the end! |
| [21:26:16] | kormoc: | Girl next door++ |
| [21:26:19] | iamlindoro: | I do have Firefly on Blu though :) |
| [21:26:26] | kormoc: | Jewel++++++++++++++ |
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| [21:26:36] | jblack: | Ok, that I'm genuinely jealous about |
| [21:26:54] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, so is Blu better then HD? |
| [21:27:10] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Depends, you can't buy any blu ray material for $3 a disk :) |
| [21:27:27] | iamlindoro: | There are tons of title just now coming to Blu that I have had on HD-DVD for a year or more |
| [21:27:38] | iamlindoro: | and paid 3–5 bucks for, and live happily on my myth system |
| [21:27:44] | kormoc: | how bout in actual quality, any difference? |
| [21:28:07] | iamlindoro: | A *tiny* bit when comparing the same movie, but nothing I would pay 5x as much for |
| [21:28:34] | iamlindoro: | The HD-DVD titles tend to be about 20 GB total, and good blu ray transfers tend to be closer to 30 |
| [21:28:38] | jblack: | I didn't think you could play hddvd on a linux system |
| [21:28:54] | kormoc: | Extract them on a windows box, play on linux |
| [21:29:00] | iamlindoro: | so yeah, you're talking theoretically 50% more bitrate, but when you're talking the difference between 30 and 40 Mbit H.264, it's tough to quibble |
| [21:29:10] | ** kormoc nods ** | |
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| [21:29:34] | janneg: | even 20mbit h264 should be perfectly fine |
| [21:29:54] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [21:30:15] | i_is_cat: | finally got a mythfrontend up |
| [21:30:18] | i_is_cat: | yay! |
| [21:30:22] | janneg: | and 10mbit is already a vast improvement compared to high bitrate mpeg2 SD |
| [21:30:42] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, the lowest bitrate stuff I have on HD-DVD is still dynamite looking |
| [21:31:09] | jblack: | I saw king kong playing on blue at blockbuster, I thin. |
| [21:31:15] | i_is_cat: | anyone know off hand what the keyboard buttons are to adjust volume in xine? i dont have mplayer on the frontend.. |
| [21:31:44] | iamlindoro: | King Kong, 300, Transformers on HD-DVD are all astounding... some of the catalog titles are a bit dodgier, though |
| [21:31:44] | jblack: | Their display must have been terrible, becuase it looked awful to me. the resolution was there, but it looked like a video game |
| [21:31:45] | kormoc: | we typically don't use ether |
| [21:31:48] | iamlindoro: | (Spartacus, etc.) |
| [21:31:57] | sphery: | i_is_cat: v and V |
| [21:32:12] | i_is_cat: | thanks sphery :) |
| [21:32:17] | kormoc: | This is SPARTA! |
| [21:32:19] | jblack: | right at the place whre kong is fighting a dinosaur |
| [21:32:21] | ** kormoc starts kicking folks ** | |
| [21:32:31] | janneg: | I would say source and processing is more important than bitrate |
| [21:32:38] | sphery: | definitely |
| [21:33:21] | sphery: | lots of examples of bad processing out there |
| [21:34:44] | iamlindoro: | It's really obvious when someone has put a lot of love into mastering a film |
| [21:35:10] | iamlindoro: | The Dark Knight, The Bond movies, Harry potter, Planet Earth all got great masters |
| [21:35:35] | kormoc: | Kormoc's zombies are cool did not |
| [21:35:43] | iamlindoro: | haha |
| [21:36:07] | iamlindoro: | The one I really remember is Spartacus, which looks like it was either Telecined or scanned against a non-flat background |
| [21:36:23] | iamlindoro: | it looks kinda like someone applied the "crackle" filter to the projection surface |
| [21:36:28] | iamlindoro: | no es bueno |
| [21:36:37] | SHADOW_V1: | muy mal |
| [21:37:00] | ** SHADOW_V1 just realized most of my responses could be scripted ** | |
| [21:37:02] | SHADOW_V1: | :( |
| [21:37:22] | SHADOW_V1: | s/my/his |
| [21:37:40] | kormoc: | SHADOW_V1, http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unis . . . ations/374d/ |
| [21:37:45] | ** iamlindoro pulls SHADOW_V1's conversation circuits ** | |
| [21:39:10] | SHADOW_V1: | but guys ai hasnt come along enough to match my wit |
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| [21:40:36] | ** squidly wont comment ** | |
| [21:41:01] | scart: | anyone personally have or read of success stories with using an atom based frontend with hd? |
| [21:41:47] | iamlindoro: | ION frontends will manage certain types of HD playback once myth has a release with VDPAU support, but with just the Atom chip, you may be out of luck |
| [21:41:56] | iamlindoro: | or at least find it very very hard |
| [21:42:18] | SHADOW_V1: | if you drop the framerate to less than 10 you may be in business |
| [21:42:27] | scart: | oh boy 10 fps! |
| [21:42:38] | SHADOW_V1: | oh boy slow atom |
| [21:42:52] | scart: | really need to build a slim/QUIET frontend |
| [21:43:03] | SHADOW_V1: | 45 watt cpu's |
| [21:43:19] | SHADOW_V1: | no need to have a slow cpu and bad intergraed video |
| [21:43:20] | sphery: | So, missed an episode of CSI: NY when my local CBS affiliate did a no-notice frequency switch in Apr, and am watching it on CBS's website. Not full screen the video is equivalent to a 21" TV screen on my 67" TV screen. And, since if Trash--I mean Flash--my Athlon X2 6000+ can't keep up with playing it full screen (1920x1080). |
| [21:43:50] | iamlindoro: | The moral of the story is, don't watch CSI New York, kids |
| [21:43:59] | scart: | CSI period!? |
| [21:44:31] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I assume you're behind the HTML 5 video push :) |
| [21:44:33] | sphery: | I actually like it better than the other CSI's--especially since Larry Hotfish replaced Gil Grissom on CSI |
| [21:45:11] | sphery: | don't get me started on HTML 5. |
| [21:45:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery: So what's your preferred web video transport method? |
| [21:46:08] | sphery: | text/plain |
| [21:46:27] | sphery: | 1000 words are worth a lot of pictures |
| [21:46:52] | iamlindoro: | Then you'll love my new myth plugin, MythSuck |
| [21:47:03] | iamlindoro: | where all recordings CC will be read to you, while the video is mangled by small gnomes |
| [21:47:25] | sphery: | heh |
| [21:47:33] | sphery: | video has it's place--just not on websites |
| [21:47:52] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, if there is a chance to also get videos to play in ascii art it will definitely hit dig!! |
| [21:47:54] | janneg: | SHADOW_V1: I think 10fps is overly optimistic, maybe for mpeg2 HD but I'll try |
| [21:47:57] | sphery: | If I go to a website to get information and have to watch some stupid advertisement before they let me in... |
| [21:48:16] | sphery: | SHADOW_V1: we need a caca renderer for Myth |
| [21:48:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery: So you'd rather there be no way of watching video on the web at all? |
| [21:48:52] | sphery: | well, if we can convince people/companies to use web video responsibily, perhaps |
| [21:48:54] | SHADOW_V1: | sphery, if thats the case then how would you be catching up on the missed csi |
| [21:48:55] | iamlindoro: | sphery: have to download the (windows only) Hulu app? |
| [21:49:15] | SHADOW_V1: | iamlindoro, according to them it should work under wine |
| [21:50:28] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I would have thought you would have liked it, as at least HTML5 has some chance of not locking up every CPU in the house if you try to watch a video |
| [21:50:48] | sphery: | if done right it will be better than flash |
| [21:50:57] | sphery: | but there's a lot more to hate about html 5 than there is to love |
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| [21:52:34] | new2linx: | my mythfrontend is returning "XvMCWrapper: Could not load hardware specific XvMC library "#libXvMC.so.1". in the log. i am using a Nvidia 6200 with the NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module 169.12. I have grainy playback and recordings thru s-video into my PVR-350 where it wasn't grainy before I upgraded to Hardy |
| [21:52:50] | new2linx: | any suggestions |
| [21:53:40] | sphery: | they really need captions on Hulu/TV network full episode playback |
| [21:54:04] | SHADOW_V1: | you really do love reading dont you |
| [21:54:04] | meshe: | what do you dislike about html 5 *curious* |
| [21:54:23] | jblack: | no <blink> tag |
| [21:54:38] | sid3windr: | ah yes |
| [21:54:44] | meshe: | that was never in the html spec anyway |
| [21:54:45] | janneg: | 10 fps seems to be right for mpeg2 HD and it's 4 fps for 16mbit h264 |
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| [21:54:58] | sphery: | meshe: just think it's going a bit too far into the application realm (as opposed tot he markup realm) |
| [21:55:06] | iamlindoro: | janneg: Ouch! :) |
| [21:55:12] | sid3windr: | <bgsound src="tada.wav" repeat="1"><blink><h1><u><b>HI WELCOME TO MY SITE</blink><img src="construction.gif" alt="UNDER CONSTRUCTION">© 1992 sid3windr |
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| [21:55:40] | iamlindoro: | sid3windr: you forgot the flickery scroller in the status bar |
| [21:55:46] | kormoc: | jblack, lies! there's blink in html 5+, it's just in the style now, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_element#CSS_implementation |
| [21:55:48] | iamlindoro: | in all caps |
| [21:55:50] | sid3windr: | mmm :) |
| [21:55:56] | meshe: | sphery: i love the fact that the browser is becoming an extremely customizable application framework |
| [21:56:01] | sid3windr: | sorry |
| [21:56:07] | sid3windr: | I was trying to concentrate on mismatched tags |
| [21:56:11] | sid3windr: | it's not easy |
| [21:56:21] | iamlindoro: | nice, though |
| [21:56:42] | sid3windr: | should have thrown in some framesets |
| [21:57:05] | ** iamlindoro used to get ALL his news at www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/2493/sid3winder.HTML ** | |
| [21:57:10] | ** kormoc feels schooled ** | |
| [21:57:26] | sid3windr: | =) |
| [21:57:44] | meshe: | i no longer need a word processor installed, or a spreadsheet program or an email client, on a new computer i install firefox and putty if it's a windows box and i'm set |
| [21:57:47] | sid3windr: | with my HoTMaiL account! |
| [22:00:01] | new2linx: | does anyone know what this mean? "XvMCWrapper: Could not load hardware specific XvMC library "#libXvMC.so.1". I goggled to my hearts content and there was only a few results and they are about mplayer and gmplayer |
| [22:00:13] | jblack: | I still use uucp for email. seriously |
| [22:00:31] | meshe: | telnet mymailserver 110 |
| [22:01:06] | janneg: | iamlindoro: I want a 7.5GHz Atom |
| [22:01:44] | SHADOW_V1: | then what would it compare to a intel e8400? |
| [22:01:53] | SHADOW_V1: | if that |
| [22:02:27] | ** janneg wonders how much energy that would use and how hot it gets ** | |
| [22:02:49] | sphery: | can't decide which is better... 21" with tearing or 67" without. |
| [22:03:01] | sphery: | i mean vice versa--21" no tearing, 67" with |
| [22:03:22] | sid3windr: | woah jblack, I'm using my @z2.fidonet.org mail <o/ |
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| [22:03:52] | jblack: | uucp over ssh rocks for transporting mail for entire domains across nat. =) |
| [22:04:03] | meshe: | new2linx: sorry, i don't know what could be causing that |
| [22:04:04] | sid3windr: | :) |
| [22:04:25] | meshe: | meh gmail |
| [22:04:28] | SHADOW_V1: | anyone ever use the laser virtual keyboard |
| [22:04:45] | sphery: | new2linx: your nvidia drivers are improperly installed |
| [22:04:52] | kormoc: | I did until it sliced my fingers off... I now type with my tongue |
| [22:05:19] | SHADOW_V1: | my hat goes off to you kormoc you rarely mispell |
| [22:05:44] | new2linx: | libXvMC.so.1 is located at /usr/lib/ |
| [22:06:10] | kormoc: | I put different flavors on each key, helps keep misspelling down, as I know that tea berry orange tea will spell 'that' |
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| [22:06:26] | SHADOW_V1: | wow very creative |
| [22:06:51] | new2linx: | sphery, dmesg doesn't spit back an error though. is it possible that the mythtv in the repos is looking for libXvMC.so.1 somewhere else? |
| [22:07:14] | kormoc: | your xvmcwrapper is misconfigured |
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| [22:07:33] | SHADOW_V1: | kormoc, what did that taste like |
| [22:07:58] | new2linx: | sphery, actually. what I did was modify /etc/X11/XvMCconfig file so that it had /usr/lib/libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 in it because I thought I was suppose to do that to get XvMC working with my nvidia card. Thats how I had it on my last install and had no issues then? |
| [22:08:02] | kormoc: | Peanut butter garlic prawn pasta with a grape milkshake |
| [22:08:02] | janneg: | kormoc: more than 170 characters per minute with your tongue, very impressing |
| [22:09:06] | kormoc: | it's actually quite disturbing if you watch in real life, |
| [22:10:03] | SHADOW_V1: | you h ave an imagination on you |
| [22:10:19] | SHADOW_V1: | and that would be disturbing to watch |
| [22:10:24] | janneg: | probably not very healthy for your neck either |
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| [22:11:32] | kormoc: | just imagine the looks I get when I'm at a public terminal... it's sad |
| [22:12:32] | SHADOW_V1: | woudlnt you need to tote your special keyboard all around |
| [22:13:36] | kormoc: | Even so, people don't bother to look to see that it's a special keyboard, they just see a long haired, bearded man licking a keyboard rapidly |
| [22:15:19] | SHADOW_V1: | i am sure that can have its advantages |
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| [22:39:46] | iamlindoro: | Whee, trogod is back at work |
| [22:40:28] | sphery: | ffmpeg stuff? |
| [22:41:40] | iamlindoro: | no, wiki |
| [22:42:01] | iamlindoro: | janneg, #5940 is now fixed in upstream ffmpeg, you can close it if you like, thank you for keeping it open as long as you have |
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| [23:07:03] | Hilikus: | hey guys |
| [23:07:26] | Hilikus: | i'm updating to the latest ubuntu and the updater is telling me this |
| [23:07:27] | Hilikus: | This information will be used to create a database and user for MythTV |
| [23:07:33] | Hilikus: | but i already have a mythtv db |
| [23:07:47] | Hilikus: | why is it (or is it not) trying to override my old table?? |
| [23:08:52] | iamlindoro: | They would know better in #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [23:10:07] | laga: | it's not |
| [23:10:12] | laga: | unless something is going really wrong ;) |
| [23:10:38] | ** iamlindoro tucks laga in to bed ** | |
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| [23:11:13] | laga: | iamlindoro: huh? 1am here. |
| [23:11:34] | iamlindoro: | You're right, that's practically mid-evening |
| [23:11:36] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [23:11:40] | laga: | hehe |
| [23:11:44] | ** laga still working ;) ** | |
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| [23:14:02] | iamlindoro: | 4 PM here and I'm already pooped |
| [23:14:11] | iamlindoro: | maybe theming mythweather just sucks out your soul |
| [23:14:19] | iamlindoro: | actually, I can confirm that it does |
| [23:15:46] | ** laga had to use PHP today. ** | |
| [23:17:21] | ** iamlindoro waits for the punchline ** | |
| [23:18:23] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/monkey.png |
| [23:18:46] | sphery: | wow... watching flash episodes of TV shows on network websites really makes me appreciate Myth. |
| [23:18:51] | laga: | iamlindoro: that was the punch line. ;)+ |
| [23:18:58] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [23:19:39] | sphery: | iamlindoro: where are the covers coming from |
| [23:19:50] | iamlindoro: | googley googley |
| [23:19:55] | sphery: | oh, no grabber? |
| [23:19:59] | iamlindoro: | no |
| [23:20:19] | sphery: | Cool, the flash player segfaulted firefox when the show got to the end. Saves my having to close the app. |
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| [23:24:15] | iamlindoro: | sphery, ergo mythbrowser being external I guess :) |
| [23:25:06] | sphery: | heh |
| [23:25:28] | sphery: | guess when you add in proprietary plugins, external does have its advantages |
| [23:26:33] | iamlindoro: | bah, I hate all this fiddly cleanup |
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| [23:28:20] | ** iamlindoro still wonders how so much yellow got into these myth themes ** | |
| [23:30:29] | iamlindoro: | Anyone know the miniplayer toggle? |
| [23:31:54] | sphery: | F12? |
| [23:32:41] | iamlindoro: | Was unbound here, got it now, thanks :) |
| [23:32:44] | sphery: | actually seems it's not bound by default |
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| [23:38:33] | iamlindoro: | http://www.fecitfacta.com/miniplayer.png |
| [23:38:41] | iamlindoro: | Don't think I want to do anything more wild than that |
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| [23:57:27] | sphery: | iamlindoro: nice. |
| [23:57:35] | sphery: | that's the main menu? |
| [23:57:45] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, though it's doubtful it will be the final one |
| [23:57:52] | sphery: | (er, the Media Library menu, but menus) |
| [23:58:02] | sphery: | I like it. Simple, but effective. |
| [23:58:04] | iamlindoro: | I'm too lazy to do 18,000 watermarks, but not sure it's "just right" either |
| [23:58:09] | sphery: | And, with a nice transition effect... |
| [23:58:21] | sphery: | I will say that the color surprised me. |
| [23:58:26] | iamlindoro: | color is random |
| [23:58:28] | sphery: | I was expecting graphite to be a gray theme |
| [23:58:36] | sphery: | ahh |
| [23:59:00] | squish102: | does anyone know the table that the records are kept in, for the dvd archive? ive selected some corrupt recordings and cannot remove them from the archive selection screen |
| [23:59:04] | iamlindoro: | red/green/blue/purple are my random colors |
| [23:59:22] | iamlindoro: | could add more, could rip them out entirely, not sure yet |
| [23:59:26] | Dagmar: | WHAT'S WRONG WITH FUSCIA? |
| [23:59:31] | sphery: | ecru |
| [23:59:44] | sphery: | how do you theme a random color in it? |
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