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Wednesday, June 17th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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superdump:

iamlindoro: aha, i see

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superdump:

well, i think mans has surrendered maintainership of mpeg-ts stuff

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superdump:

baptiste has taken over

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superdump:

he may be more welcoming of patches for blu ray support

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superdump:

if well-implemented of course

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superdump:

and possibly more responsive

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iamlindoro:

cool, maybe I'll ping him in #ffmpeg-devel some time

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iamlindoro:

my patch merely added new pids to the existing demuxer, and cases for handling EAC3 and TrueHD

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iamlindoro:

But I think that as you mentioned, Mans more or less considered/considers the demuxer on the whole to be a hack, though I didn't quite understand why that should prevent it from at least functioning until something better comes along

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superdump:

hmm, i would have thought that would have been OK assuming they're valid

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superdump:

i guess mans didn't want to spend (waste?) more time on it

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iamlindoro:

That's the impression I got

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superdump:

baptiste spent some time on it earlier this year

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superdump:

and is interested in it

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superdump:

hence why he's become maintainer

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superdump:

he's in the US at the moment, just so you have an idea of his timezone

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superdump:

in fact, he's in #ffmpeg-devel right now

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superdump:

bcoudurier

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I lurk :)

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iamlindoro:

Have figured out the nick-name mapping for the most part, but didn't want to appear to be someone who just kept submitting the same thing again and again

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superdump:

well, if you have a chat with him, that may help your cause

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superdump:

aha...

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** superdump reads **

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superdump:

told you he was interested :)

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, I'll be embarassed if he's already done it all

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superdump:

no need for embarrassment

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iamlindoro:

I follow the dev list but some commits sneak past me

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superdump:

me too

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superdump:

it happens

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superdump:

i mostly just filter out threads of interest to me

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superdump:

i don't read everything

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zom1:

Hi, I've been playing with the new (at least new to me) "AC3 Upmix" setting. It works pretty well, but some of my old recordings don't work well. Their sound volume in the recording was 100% and the upmixed output for these is crackly and metallic. New recordings won't have this problem. Toggling of the upmixer while watching solves the problem. Is it possible to set the upmixer to toggled off by default instead of on like it currently is?

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iamlindoro:

superdump, thanks for the info on who to poke, though

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superdump:

you're welcome

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: You around ?

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, of all the times to lose connection

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, yes, I'm here

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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GreyFoxx:

So I downloaded a couple hundred fanart for my movies

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GreyFoxx:

and while I do s a noticable delay on the initial load+scale I don't see any after that. Even after a mythfe restart to flush the memory cache

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GreyFoxx:

all loads of the already scaled fanart are almost instant here

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iamlindoro:

Like I was saying before, it's just for the first load

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iamlindoro:

but then you have *none* in cache, and hundreds of movies, try navigating through

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GreyFoxx:

for me the first load(I timed it) is a hair under a second

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GreyFoxx:

a perl script to automate the "prescaling" to the full screen resolution or some other passed on a commandline for be prtty simple

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GreyFoxx:

though a better solution would be the background loading

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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GreyFoxx:

though I gotta say now seeing the fanart in play makes me really want to get more fanart/banners and so on in there for the rest of the stuff

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it kinda makes having it *all* really nice :)

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iamlindoro:

I'll do MythGame if you don't do it while looking at that patch

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iamlindoro:

Would like to get Boxart and Fanart in there

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GreyFoxx:

feel free :)

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iamlindoro:

OK, going to wait for it to get committed, though, since I don't want to modify an unknown

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GreyFoxx:

makes sense :)

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iamlindoro:

Will be a snap to do, though

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iamlindoro:

Ah, what the hell, I'll add id and add the patch to the ticket

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iamlindoro:

you can look at it all in one go

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GreyFoxx:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, It's going to be a *quick* addition, though, I still think the rom edit screen needs porting to MythUI

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iamlindoro:

rather than staying Qt

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SHADOW_V1:

anyone use spotify here

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iamlindoro:

When Grandma stating spotifying, we put her in a home

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SHADOW_V1:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotify

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iamlindoro:

er started

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iamlindoro:

Yes, I know

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wagnerrp:

we got in home care

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wagnerrp:

24-hr care... the home is expensive

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petre:

I just brought up mythbuntu with a Hauppauge 2250 connected to an antenna.

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petre:

It seems to be recording fine.

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wagnerrp:

ok...

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petre:

For the front end I'm using a Hauppauge mvpmc but the sound & video are not in sync and the sound has an echo

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iamlindoro:

So you're using a beta driver with an unsupported frontend?

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iamlindoro:

bye!

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wagnerrp:

im surprised that thing can manage HD

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iamlindoro:

could just be SD channels

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wagnerrp:

well whats the worth of that

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iamlindoro:

regardless, we no do that here

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SHADOW_V1:

iamlindoro, thats the only way to get support imo

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wagnerrp:

i can watch the weather and the extra PBS channels!

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wagnerrp:

woo! hooray for the switchover!

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iamlindoro:

Or 150 something channels if you live in a lucky DTA area :)

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wagnerrp:

yeah... you suck

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wagnerrp:

big salty monkey balls...

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iamlindoro:

I'm sorry, I couldn't hear you, I had the history channel on

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wagnerrp:

not like it matters to you, you got most of the channels BEFORE comcast opened them up for DTAs

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jblack:

I'm actually losing hdtv channels

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iamlindoro:

This is true :)

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** iamlindoro clicks over to Sci Fi HD **

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petre:

grr, battery on my laptop died suddenly

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petre:

So, I was saying that I'm using a Hauppauge mvp for the front end, loading the mvpmc firmware

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: and you just thought you had a way with people

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iamlindoro:

alas

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petre:

But the sound & video are out of sync and the sound has an echo.

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petre:

It has worked fine for the past couple of years with old analog tuner in myth box.

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petre:

Is SDTV a greater amount of data to stream than the old analog?

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petre:

It sort of appears that the mvpmc is having trouble keeping up, but that's just a guess.

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wagnerrp:

the mediamvp would not play analog tv

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wagnerrp:

it would play digital recordings

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petre:

I meant when I had an analog tuner in my myth backend

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wagnerrp:

and it was probably only designed to play up to the 10mbps or so that the PVRs could ouptut

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wagnerrp:

anyway, standard definition digital tv should be no more intensive than output off an PVR

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wagnerrp:

nigh, it will probably be considerably lower bitrate than what you were previously recording

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petre:

why lower than what I was recording with an analog tuner?

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wagnerrp:

people usually their PVRs between 4 and 7mbps

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petre:

That's one thing I'm curious about: is there just more data with digital, even SD?

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wagnerrp:

SD digital broadcasts are usually 2–4mbps

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wagnerrp:

ATSC is up to 19mbps

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petre:

So, you think the MediaMVP just can't keep up?

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wagnerrp:

are these standard definition recordings? or HD?

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petre:

SD

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wagnerrp:

then it should have no problem

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wagnerrp:

however ive never used one, and that device is not supported in this channel

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petre:

At least I think they're SD; it's just OTA

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wagnerrp:

what channel?

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wagnerrp:

network, rather

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petre:

PBS

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wagnerrp:

PBS usually has a HD channel on their primary

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wagnerrp:

and then several SD subchannels

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petre:

Hmm, perhaps that's it.

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petre:

'course, that will be a problem if it can't handle HD recordings since most of the commercial shows are HD

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wagnerrp:

yes it will

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petre:

What happens when a HD recording is fed back to a SDTV?

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wagnerrp:

it gets downscaled to fit the SDTV

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wagnerrp:

assuming the playback device has sufficient power to decode it

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petre:

TV has a digital tuner, but is only standard res.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, you havent been able to sell devices without a digital tuner for several years

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petre:

And the MediaMVP probably doesn't have the power to decode it, I suppose

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wagnerrp:

thats a good assumption

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petre:

Wish they made one that did.

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petre:

They're nice small quiet simple units.

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petre:

any other dedicated front ends that can handle HD?

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GreyFoxx:

the popcorn hours are nice, small, silent an will happily do just about any media you spit at it :)

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GreyFoxx:

hdtv, h264, xvid, etc etc

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J-e-f-f-A:

GreyFoxx: Is it just a UPnP player for myth, or is there a myth 'skin' or something for it?

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petre:

yeah, I just want a simple front end for myth

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SHADOW_V1:

J-e-f-f-A, heyyyyyy

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SHADOW_V1:

:)

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J-e-f-f-A:

SHADOW_V1: Hey man... ;-) I guess I should fire up my wife's hackintosh and throw the osx frontend on it and try it out for ya, eh? ;-)

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: no... nothing wrong with my desktop and EVOs

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wagnerrp:

those particular movies just seem to be.... funky

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wagnerrp:

and it only just so happened to be the first two i did after reinstalling windows

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wagnerrp:

tsmuxer under linux has the same behavior

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SHADOW_V1:

J-e-f-f-A, actually lol i was going to say you dont have to anymore

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SHADOW_V1:

i didnt get the funds to purchase the mbp

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J-e-f-f-A:

SHADOW_V1: DOH! ;-) Well, I will still get to it... ;-) A buddy of mine is strongly considering a Mac after getting totally disgusted with winblows...

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SHADOW_V1:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah i know exactly how that is so i am getting a job so maybe in a few months ill beable to get it

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythgameplus.png

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SHADOW_V1:

oh noes not scummvm again

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SHADOW_V1:

damn old timers

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kormoc:

these old timers have the ban hammer available to them, unlike you young whippersnappers....

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iamlindoro:

note the MythGame "improvements" :)

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SHADOW_V1:

it was a joke

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SHADOW_V1:

:(

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SHADOW_V1:

why does violence always need to be braught about i though i was not supposed to reenact my internship

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wagnerrp:

perhaps anydvd is not working properly under win7

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whodat:

upgraded mythtv and now the multimedia keys dont work, is this a known problem? (volume keys for instance). actually they appear to be handled at the OS level now rather than from the mythtv app. volume changes, but the mythtv volume indicator doesnt come on screen any more.

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythgameplus2.png

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iamlindoro:

There's another game you punk kids missed out on playing

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iamlindoro:

Bah, now I have to go theme Terra and default for this

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SHADOW_V1:

punk kids ? i am not that young

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iamlindoro:

That's what all the young ones say

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SHADOW_V1:

of course

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** wagnerrp throws up the horns **

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SHADOW_V1:

hey iamlindoro i rescanned and wow comcast opened up alot of channels over clearqam

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GreyFoxx:

ugh.... I think my flatscreen just died

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GreyFoxx:

I was watching something, and "click" and the screen went black

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SHADOW_V1:

difribrilator ?

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GreyFoxx:

now no reaction to the powr button or over the serial port

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** GreyFoxx wonders where he put the paper work.......can't remember how long the warranty on this was **

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythgameplus2.png and http://www.fecitfacta.com/mythgameplus.png

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iamlindoro:

patch attached to the ticket

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GreyFoxx:

ugh man this sucks

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GreyFoxx:

so tomorrow I gotta hunt for paper work to go see if these guys will honour the warranty :)

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GreyFoxx:

but luckily since I bought it will my credit card I get and free extended warranty so I know for sure I'm covered

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Cool :)

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GreyFoxx:

where are you getting the art from ?

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GreyFoxx:

Or just manual entries?

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iamlindoro:

creating the fanart, downloading the box covers via google (mostly mobygames)

[03:25:39]

iamlindoro:

yeah, manual entry

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iamlindoro:

no such thing as a video game art grabber AFAIK

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GreyFoxx:

cool

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new2linx:

for some reason after a fresh install of Hardy Heron, mythtv, and mythbuntu control center I get, "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'core2duo' (using password: YES)

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new2linx:

"

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iamlindoro:

Bah, now there's a bug where all that stuff only shows if a screenshot exists

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new2linx:

can somone please help me? I have gone into phpmyadmin and made it so that everyone from everywhere should be able to access and change mythconverg but I still can't access with the mythbackend-setup command

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new2linx:

all the mysql.txt files have the same info in them.

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iamlindoro:

Gonna need to find a useable method of lossless cutting H.264 someday soon

[03:52:01]

iamlindoro:

one less obnoxious than dd with byte offsets

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new2linx:

i would really appreciate some help here. it's probably an easy fix but I am not familar with mysql.

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SHADOW_V1:

iamlindoro, would you mind telling me where that nifty script is to rename the channels using comcasts info

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SHADOW_V1:

i believe i am decribing it partly right

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iamlindoro:

It's not a script, it's a program-- scte65scan-- but it wont' do you any good unless comcast is handing out DTAs in your area and has shut off analog

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SHADOW_V1:

hmm no analog is still around but many channels are coming up with somewhat familiar names such as spk_uns

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iamlindoro:

If they are coming up with names, then that's not SCTE-65

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SHADOW_V1:

ah ok

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new2linx:

please. i would really really appreciate some help/

[04:00:58]

iamlindoro:

you can try it, but since comcast has only been deploying the DTAs in four or so markets, it's unlikely to work for you

[04:02:35]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if anydvd is even decrypting on my windows7 install

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, I have it working at this moment under Win7

[04:03:18]

iamlindoro:

Blu, not HD-DVD

[04:03:29]

iamlindoro:

But fairly certain I've had HD-DVD working there too

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wagnerrp:

anything ive ripped under there is just massive garbage files

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Captain_Murdoch:

iamlindoro, where I live, scte65scan works for my local ASTC OTA channels being rebroadcast by Cox over cable when I specify the -p flag.

[04:03:46]

SHADOW_V1:

do you have to disable the driver reinforcement

[04:03:57]

Captain_Murdoch:

well, works as in finds them, I didn't try updating the DB. :)

[04:03:59]

wagnerrp:

they seem to be just like the decrypted stuff, but they cannot be played back

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, Sure, but that's just an ATSC PSIP scan, Myth's scan does that too

[04:04:05]

new2linx:

wagnerrp, i am now having database connection issues after a fresh install using Hardy Heron. can you please help me?

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wagnerrp:

new2linx: first off, mysql.txt is not the proper file

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wagnerrp:

you want the config.xml

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Captain_Murdoch:

just saying it found something without having to worry about myth updating the DB, etc..

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wagnerrp:

mysql.txt is only kept around for legacy support of old scripts

[04:05:25]

wagnerrp:

second, have you gone into mysql and given that login permission to access mythconverg?

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, ok. what should I be fixing?

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iamlindoro:

Captain_Murdoch, I suppose, but then you might as well use the dvb-utils scan utility (which scte65scan is doing via the API when it's doing -p anyway)

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iamlindoro:

I would figure that most people who use scte65scan are hoping for the "magic" result that those of us in SCTE-65 areas get-- namely, actually finding, reading, and parsing SCTE-65 tables :)

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Captain_Murdoch:

ah, didn't know that (re dvb-utils). pretty much everything here is encrypted except home shopping and locals.

[04:07:04]

wagnerrp:

third, mythbuntu control center automates a number of tasks that i would otherwise do manually

[04:07:32]

wagnerrp:

having never used it.... i have no idea what you should be doing in there, what you should be doing on the command line, what you should be doing in mythtv....

[04:07:33]

new2linx:

wagnerrp, should the config.xml have this in it, "DBHostName>localhost</DBHostName" or should it be the ip of the main server which is 192.168.0.3?

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wagnerrp:

is that machine not running your backend and mysql server?

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, yes I have. from the command line. I can access mythconverg with user mythtv and the password that's in config.xml

[04:08:33]

wagnerrp:

are you setting up a remote frontend?

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new2linx:

this machine is running the mysql server as well as the main backend.

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wagnerrp:

if its all on one machine, 'localhost' works just fine

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wagnerrp:

however you will not be trying to login as machine 'core2duo'

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wagnerrp:

if you connect through localhost, your machine name will be 'localhost'

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, yeah. i think mythbuntu control center screwed everything up. i actually had my PVR-350 working at one point but then went into the control center to add some more stuff

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iamlindoro:

Heh, *you* screwed it up, it's just that your tool of choice was the MCC

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, for now I am only concerned on getting the master backend working. i will add the slave backend at a later date. but yes, it should be visible to other frontends/.

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hads:

mysql.txt is still referenced in the code.

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wagnerrp:

so you have multiple machines... then you must set real IPs in each place mythtv asks for one

[04:11:26]

wagnerrp:

but the machine running the mysql server can still use 'localhost' to connect to it

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, i only see 2 different config.xml files. one in /usr/share/doc/mythtv-backend/contrib/config.xml and one in /root/.mythtv/config.xml

[04:12:54]

new2linx:

wagnerrp, is it possible that it's named something else besides only config.xml

[04:13:08]

wagnerrp:

well im not sure how you would ever have anything in /root/.mythtv

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wagnerrp:

since youre not supposed to be able to use the root account in ubuntu

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hads:

Of course you can. It just doens't have a password.

[04:13:55]

wagnerrp:

and the one youre looking for might be in /home/mythtv/.mythtv or /etc/mythtv/.mythtv

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hads:

Doesn't mean you can't use the account.

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wagnerrp:

i dont know where mythbuntu puts these things

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hads:

sudo -i is equivilient to su -

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hads:

And there you have root.

[04:14:32]

wagnerrp:

thats why mythbuntu setup problems usually get redirected to #ubuntu or #ubuntu-mythtv

[04:16:57]

new2linx:

wagnerrp, they all have matching information.

[04:17:24]

new2linx:

wagnerrp, i am there also. No one is helping me there.

[04:17:49]

new2linx:

wagnerrp, osm

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SHADOW_V1:

in these channels they recommend atleast an hour before squirming around

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, isn't there some mysql command for me to show you that I am in fact letting ALL access mythconverg from ALL hosts.

[04:18:33]

wagnerrp:

the simple fix for the original error would be... "grant all on mythconverg.* to 'mythtv'@'core2duo' identified by 'whateveryourpasswordis';"

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V1, where actualsquirmaround = recommendedtime / 10000000 x 10^23

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SHADOW_V1:

i think that deserves a high five

[04:20:17]

SHADOW_V1:

a rather enthusatic one at that

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iamlindoro:

I'm all about the maff

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: should have put some parentheses on that one

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, i have all access granted from any host. see here please: http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2853/screenshotudc.png

[04:20:49]

SHADOW_V1:

maf??

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iamlindoro:

yeah, you know, maff, engrish, hirstory, MAFF

[04:21:19]

iamlindoro:

don't you talk american?

[04:21:26]

wagnerrp:

new2linx: well then the set password is wrong

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SHADOW_V1:

oh right maff

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SHADOW_V1:

sorry i guess i am more tired than i though

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wagnerrp:

or mysql doesnt like your wildcard for some reason

[04:21:58]

wagnerrp:

ive not had good success granting database access from wildcards

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kormoc:

so check the mysql access logs?

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, I found a site with lucasarts boxes scanned at 6480x8244. This will make ScummVM fanart easy :)

[04:23:00]

SHADOW_V1:

tuning 543000000hz.....locked...PID 0x1ffc found

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SHADOW_V1:

Collecting data (may take up to 2 minutes)

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SHADOW_V1:

parse_cds:734: FATAL: CDS too big; noncompliant datastream?

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kormoc:

yay

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SHADOW_V1:

uh thoughts on that

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wagnerrp:

so whats larger... the original scanned image, or myth's scaled png?

[04:23:39]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Heh, I'll let you know when I get around to it, still harvesting box images

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, no. i can login from the terminal just fine using what's in all the mysql.txt files.

[04:24:26]

wagnerrp:

new2linx: then the only other option is that mythtv is not using the config.xml you think it is

[04:24:30]

new2linx:

wagnerrp, does it matter that I have a file " /etc/mysql/conf.d/mythtv.cnf" that states to bind to 192.168.0.3. that is the ip of my master be.

[04:24:33]

SHADOW_V1:

iamlindoro, what does the above mean it locked on one of the freq but then had a fatal error

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SHADOW_V1:

does that mean its not the right stream

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wagnerrp:

and it is definitely not using a mysql.txt

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, there is no other config.xml.

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V1, presumably

[04:24:52]

iamlindoro:

The former

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wagnerrp:

new2linx: i have no clue what that file is supposed to do

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wagnerrp:

i dont use ubuntu

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SHADOW_V1:

so wrong freq because its not in my area yet?

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, i did a find / -name config.xml and it only found one file. located at /root/.mythtv/config.xml and that matches all the info that I have been using.

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V1, the PID implied that there is SCTE-65 data, but the error message is unknown to me and suggests a broken stream of some sort

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V1, have you tried again?

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SHADOW_V1:

yeah trying it now

[04:27:21]

SHADOW_V1:

one thing that disturbs me is how bad the signal quality is here

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SHADOW_V1:

i think i can make that a bigger point when they hand out the boxes and i take off my amplifiers and they wont want to loc

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, could you spell out the exact mysql commands for adding user mythtv from core2duo for me please?

[04:30:26]

new2linx:

wagnerrp, i can't seem to find a "add user" within the mythconverg table within myphpadmin.

[04:30:41]

iamlindoro:

he gave you exactly the MySQL like 5 minutes ago

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, there is only an add user for the entire mysql database.

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iamlindoro:

11 minutes ago, to be precise

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kormoc:

that's cause users are for the database server, permissions for each database map to users...

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wagnerrp:

huh... seems windows doesnt like flipping between vista and 7 with the same domain machine account

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wagnerrp:

i have to leave the domain, and rejoin whenever i flip between the two

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SHADOW_V1:

wagnerrp, you have a domain in your house

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SHADOW_V1:

iamlindoro, same error again

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SHADOW_V1:

i should call customer service and ask them

[04:35:08]

SHADOW_V1:

surely they will know

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iamlindoro:

Well, you might want to check in #linuxtv about what the error means first, tit doubtless comes from their API

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iamlindoro:

er, it

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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SHADOW_V1:

freudian slip there sir

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iamlindoro:

Technically speaking, if you get channels that include nudity, tit *does* come from their API

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SHADOW_V1:

now now dont try to justify

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wagnerrp:

SHADOW_V1: running a basic domain means adding about a dozen lines to your smb.conf, and a couple new users to your linux system

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SHADOW_V1:

ah ok what is the benefit to that

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wagnerrp:

and apparently dealing with a never ending stream of problems coming out of windows

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wagnerrp:

when you use a domain, your user account gets stored on the server, rather than the computer

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SHADOW_V1:

ok

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wagnerrp:

meaning a complete system wipe is fairly inconsequential to me

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wagnerrp:

all i have to do is reinstall a couple applications, log into the domain, and im right back where im started

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SHADOW_V1:

right because you have a profile dedicated to the user on the server

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SHADOW_V1:

ah ok so it isnt that hard to setup?

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wagnerrp:

actually looking at it... its 25 lines in smb.conf, one new user account per machine, and three new groups

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SHADOW_V1:

hmm not bad at all

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wagnerrp:

add in a couple additional directories for account storage

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wagnerrp:

optional custom batch files run during user login (directory mounting and such)

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wagnerrp:

half a dozen registry entries to change in win7 to get it to log onto the domain

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SHADOW_V1:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

some folder redirection in windows so im not passing a several GB 'My Documents' back and forth on every login

[04:45:26]

SHADOW_V1:

aww come on why not

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wagnerrp:

a program on the server to do automatic snapshotting and management

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SHADOW_V1:

use the network

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SHADOW_V1:

ah thats convenient

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wagnerrp:

so yeah, basic setup is copy-pasting a chunk of lines into your samba configs, and adding a couple users and folders

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wagnerrp:

under five minutes of effort

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wagnerrp:

but that five minutes is after a learning curve

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wagnerrp:

im sure you could set mythtv up from scratch in under half an hour now... but how long did it take the first time?

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SHADOW_V1:

yeah the first time was abit bumpy

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SHADOW_V1:

but i do like how much i have learned

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wagnerrp:

crap... AnyDVD wasnt even running on 7

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wagnerrp:

no wonder my rips are all a garbled mess

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SHADOW_V1:

:)

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SHADOW_V1:

could be

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wagnerrp:

'autostart' was checked off, maybe it was just never run that first time for it to set up autostart

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wagnerrp:

and now 80GB of video later, everything is working just fine

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wagnerrp:

thats somewhat annoying

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, WOW. that's so weird. once I set the mythconverg database to be accessable by mythtv from core2duo it worked. but prior to that it was suppose to allow user mythtv to access mythconverg from ANY host?

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wagnerrp:

like i said a while back, wildcard permissions on mysql have never worked for me

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new2linx:

wagnerrp, OH. i didn't see you say that. I wish I had. Man have I ever been fretting over this. now hopefully everything goes ok with adding the slave be

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iamlindoro:

That was most definitely not 4ev

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new2linx:

i got an error in mythweb. Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 33554432 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 46 bytes) in /usr/share/mythtv/mythweb/modules/tv/includes/programs.php on line 213. Can i increase the allocation size somehow?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, should be in php.ini

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wagnerrp:

somewhere in /etc

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wagnerrp:

'memory_limit' under the Resource Limits section

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SHADOW_V1:

find / -name php.ini

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

don't do that....

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SHADOW_V1:

etc/php5/apache2/php.ini

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SHADOW_V1:

i was kidding with the find

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wagnerrp:

i think hes saying dont change the limit

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kormoc:

nope

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kormoc:

change away, the find was just a nasty disk smash

[06:11:03]

wagnerrp:

oh, dont find the entire file system

[06:11:04]

wagnerrp:

right

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SHADOW_V1:

:( its not my computer

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kormoc:

I have my php max memory set to 512 megs actually, depends on what you're doing and how much data you're dealing with

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wagnerrp:

im several hours into paper writing, my mind is a mush...

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SHADOW_V1:

wagnerrp, thesis?

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wagnerrp:

yeah

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SHADOW_V1:

doctarate masters what?

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wagnerrp:

masters

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kormoc:

Epic

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SHADOW_V1:

in your crazy rocket science?

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wagnerrp:

nah, crazy turbomachinery

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kormoc:

"I have a epic in computer sciences with a minor epic in chem"

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SHADOW_V1:

wagnerrp, what kind of car do you drive

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wagnerrp:

eew... chem

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iamlindoro:

Aw, all I managed was a win in Communications

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kormoc:

I guess communications would be better :P

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wagnerrp:

us physics types never mixes much with the chemical types

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iamlindoro:

HAHA

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SHADOW_V1:

heh

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wagnerrp:

oddly, i work just down the street from a big chem lab... P&Gs R&D plant

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wagnerrp:

i drive this... http://japanesenostalgiccar.com/blog/wp-conte . . . /z600jet.jpg

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SHADOW_V1:

freaking awesome

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SHADOW_V1:

truth be told me and a friend of mine where thinking about builindg a busa powered z600

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wagnerrp:

seems like a waste of a perfectly good engine

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SHADOW_V1:

in the jet car or busa in z600

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wagnerrp:

busa

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wagnerrp:

that engine is army surplus turboshaft off a helicopter

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SHADOW_V1:

eh i dont think its a waste you would have a sub 10–11 sec strip car that is still capable of doing 30mpg

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wagnerrp:

probably picked up for a couple hundred

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wagnerrp:

whether its in functional condition, or retrofitted for thrust, i cant say

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wagnerrp:

but i can say if that engine actually ran at full power, it would tear right off that rigging they have back there

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SHADOW_V1:

yeah

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SHADOW_V1:

wagnerrp, did you ever read about hte chrysler jet car

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wagnerrp:

yeah, turbine powered car in the 60s

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wagnerrp:

terrible idea

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SHADOW_V1:

but it can mostly run on anything

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wagnerrp:

well so can a military diesel

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SHADOW_V1:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

and just because it *can* run on anything doesnt mean you *want* it to run on anything

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SHADOW_V1:

right

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wagnerrp:

you try to run thick fuel through injectors designed for kerosene and youre going to starve the engine, not enough fuel flow

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SHADOW_V1:

right

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wagnerrp:

not to mention you throw off carefully designed mixing/combustion chambers

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SHADOW_V1:

would heating the fuel before it hits the injectors help

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wagnerrp:

and if you have fuels with high particulate counts, you end up destroying the hot section

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wagnerrp:

not really

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wagnerrp:

you could change the properties of the fuel, but youre not going to get them to the properties you want

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kormoc:

If you want a transportation device that would take anything, the answer already exists, http://www.dieselmotorcycles.com/models.htm

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wagnerrp:

the only thing a turbine gets you is compactness

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wagnerrp:

its less efficient than a diesel or some other piston cycle

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wagnerrp:

and you NEVER want it providing shaft power in a scenario where the shaft might be stopped

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SHADOW_V1:

what happens then?

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kormoc:

death

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wagnerrp:

the turbine stalls, and you have next to no power

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SHADOW_V1:

hmm

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SHADOW_V1:

thats not good

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AndyCap:

but the abrams gets excellent mileage. :P

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SHADOW_V1:

wouldnt a certain type of shaft stop that though

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wagnerrp:

SHADOW_V1: you could clutch it, so the turbine continues to run... but then you burn up your clutch quickly

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SHADOW_V1:

right

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wagnerrp:

and the abrams gets terrible mileage

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SHADOW_V1:

well dont they have floating rear ends

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SHADOW_V1:

couldnt that principle be used or no

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wagnerrp:

but who cares when you can have a 60-ton tank ramping over terrain at 50mpg

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wagnerrp:

mph

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kormoc:

When you get only 12 feet per fillup, that's when :)

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SHADOW_V1:

i would love to have tank that got 50mpg

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AndyCap:

when your supply lines can't keep up with you. :P

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kormoc:

%s/that got 50mpg//g

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SHADOW_V1:

kormoc that does that mean

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jduggan:

he means he'd just love to have a tank.

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jduggan:

:o

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kormoc:

it changes "i would love to have tank that got 50mpg" to "i would love to have tank" in vim

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SHADOW_V1:

ah ok

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wagnerrp:

well the 'g' was superfluous

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kormoc:

It's true, I just forget backwards replace

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wagnerrp:

anyway, a 'floating rear end' just has to deal with how the weight of the vehicle is loaded onto the wheels

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AndyCap:

Hehe, hard to find the numbers, but seems M1 is around 0.3 – 0.7 miles pr gallon. :-P

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jduggan:

no its not... he has five lines of the same text!

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wagnerrp:

AndyCap: diesels are usually several times that... but then diesel tanks are usually running on 1/4 the horsepower

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jduggan:

diesels tanks are half as economical on fuel as petrol?

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jduggan:

%s/petrol/gas/ for you american folk

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jduggan:

=]

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AndyCap:

jduggan: you don't have gas tanks. :-P

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AndyCap:

turbine vs. piston

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jduggan:

AndyCap: i dont have any tanks

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jduggan:

:\

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jduggan:

i assumed diesel but guess i took that comment out of context

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AndyCap:

hmm, I don't think I'll ever get around to upgrading the mythtv backend. :)

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voxadam:

Who make really good DVD drives these days? I'm looking for something that can rip discs really fast and reliably.

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kormoc:

It's old tech these days, they're all fairly decent, but pioneer is the king still iirc

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new2linx:

voxadam, the Optiarc DVD RW AD-7170A has been very reliable for me. inexpensive also.

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MrMiteshah:

.help ping

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voxadam:

new2linx: Thanks.

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voxadam:

I wish there were there was such a thing as a good slot loading optical.

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Sjano:

Hello. I haven't used mythtv yet so i got a bunch of questions like. Can i use it to make my own PVR box? does it support tv tuners and cards for watching digital video broadcasts? (DVB) and does it support mpeg-4 video (which we use in norway?

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stuarta:

Sjano: yes

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Sjano:

stuarta: Thanks for the answer.

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igor_:

enyone here?

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oaf:

Hi igor_ :-) doesn't look like it!

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oaf:

You got probs?

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** stuarta notices there are 202 ppl in this channel **

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FR^2:

wrong.

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oaf:

:-)

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FR^2:

Totally wrong.

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FR^2:

There 201 of the clients connected to freenode have joined #mythtv

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stuarta:

200 ppl, 1 bot, 1 services

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oaf:

Yep, just very quiet...

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stuarta:

[freenode] |-| #mythtv-users 202

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oaf:

Anyone know about DVB-S and HD? I'm having an issue recording BBC HD.

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stuarta:

oaf: you need to actually say what the issue you are having is

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oaf:

I get Error: SetChannelByString(6940): Failed to initialize multiplex options in mythbackend

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FR^2:

I would estimate it a little bit different: 201 clients, 1 bot, 1 services, 10 people "really there", about 190 clients just idle or bnc

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oaf:

stuarta: I can record SD though and the card appears to tune OK etc

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** stuarta puts on his DILLIGAF hat **

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stuarta:

oaf: is this with a pure unpatched myth install?

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oaf:

stuarta: thanks for listening, it is via rpmfusion (yum)

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stuarta:

k

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stuarta:

that's not an error i've seen before

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oaf:

hmmm

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stuarta:

try google

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oaf:

I've Googled etc but it's not much mentioned

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stuarta:

hmmm

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oaf:

I also tried switching of multirec (was 2, now 1) but to no avail

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oaf:

would it help to troubleshoot with szap etc?

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oaf:

not sure of command line...

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oaf:

Sky News for example works (SD channel) but not BBC HD

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oaf:

TVRec(1) Error: Failed to set channel to 6940. Reverting to kState_None is the other message in log. Is it picking the correct card? I have dvb0 and 1 as DVB-T and dvb2 as the -S card

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stuarta:

have you got a different source configured for each card?

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oaf:

I am using the same, Radio Times (tv_grab xml listing)

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stuarta:

ah, well that's your problem

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stuarta:

the available channel on dvb-t & dvb-s are different

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oaf:

stuarta: I have just tried recording a different SD channel (via MythWeb) and I don't think it recording anything

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stuarta:

so you have to have 2 different sources

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oaf:

stuarta: this is where I start to struggle

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oaf:

stuarta: I have three cards, 2xdvb-t (working) and 1xdvb-s

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stuarta:

right

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oaf:

stuarta: I have one "listing source" (Radio Times) via xml grabber

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stuarta:

that is the problem

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oaf:

stuarta: I have linked cards to RTimes in mythtv

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oaf:

ok

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oaf:

go on...?

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stuarta:

since you have the same source listings for each card, all are considered valid for a given channel

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oaf:

oh, ok, didn't realise that

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oaf:

I did wonder as I was trying to force-set an input for the sat recording

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oaf:

but that didn't work either

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oaf:

so I need a Radio Times (T) and a Radio Times (S)?

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stuarta:

yup

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oaf:

What is the best way of "combining" an -S and a -T listing?

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oaf:

Do I have to have -S and -T versions of the channels which are available on both "platforms"?

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stuarta:

um, not entirely sure since i use EIT exclusively

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oaf:

ah, I see

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oaf:

ok

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stuarta:

but in theory you could have the RT grabber configured for all the channels

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stuarta:

and it'll ignore channels not present when it fills the DB

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oaf:

yes, that's what I was hoping... I changed the config file to include the satellite channels and mythfilldatabase DOES populate them fine

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oaf:

I think it's the link between tuner and channel (whether it can provide it)...? Which is the Radio Times "source" bit? yes?

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oaf:

That is causing my prob? So the backend should try to open dvb2 cardid?

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** stuarta ponders **

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stuarta:

in mythtv-setup you'll see which channels are available from which "source"

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stuarta:

myth will pick which ever one has the channel you want available

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oaf:

OK I was just about to head back in to there... :)

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stuarta:

the way you've set it up, the channel is available on all tuners

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oaf:

yeah

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oaf:

What's the best way of recovering it?

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oaf:

Don't really fancy messing with the xmltv IDs again if I can avoid it.

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oaf:

Don't really want to delete all cards/inputs

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stuarta:

you'll have to add another source, and assign it to the dvb-s card

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stuarta:

and get rid of all the channels now poluting the dvb-t source

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stuarta:

it may mean rescanning the channels

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oaf:

OK, that makes sense. Thanks for your time/help, I'll have a go now. :)

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stuarta:

my dev box has the same setup :)

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oaf:

stuarta: OK, good... I've removed the link from DVB-S to (original) Radio Times and created a new Radio Times (Sat)... the system is now scanning.

[11:17:36]

oaf:

It sounds like I'll have to delete the sat channels from inputs 1 and 2 (DVB-T) I guess I can use MythWeb or just delete the high numbered channels?

[11:17:46]

oaf:

...using MySQL.

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stuarta:

you have know what you are doing, so i don't really recommend mysql fu

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oaf:

yeah, fair enough. I know SQL but not the DB schema for Myth, not well enough anyway

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stuarta:

well i'll leave it as an exercise for the reader, if you know mysql you can work out the schema

[11:19:47]

oaf:

ha ha

[11:19:48]

oaf:

yeah

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oaf:

I'll see how it looks

[11:20:20]

oaf:

thanks for the pointers though, much appreciated. I have a DiSeqC switch with three LNBs so I think I'm going to be scanning channels for a while.

[11:20:32]

oaf:

Funnily enough the DiSeqC bit seems to work fine.

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oaf:

:-)

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stuarta:

heh

[11:22:07]

stuarta:

take bloody long enough just with a single dish

[11:22:39]

stuarta:

i found decreasing the timeouts on the dvb card helps considerably

[11:23:14]

oaf:

yeah

[11:23:26]

oaf:

I think that's the secret, though mythtv-setup is segfaulting now :-/ Grrr.

[11:23:38]

oaf:

Doesn't seem to be something I can reliably reproduce, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.

[11:23:41]

oaf:

Ah well.

[11:23:47]

stuarta:

ah thats the multi cpu issue

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oaf:

oh... OK. I vaguely remember that. Some startup option?

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stuarta:

some taskset magic to force it to only use one core

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oaf:

yeah I'm Googling!

[11:24:43]

oaf:

thanks

[11:26:14]

oaf:

taskset -c0 mythtv-setup, try again :)

[11:27:55]

stuarta:

was going to say before, it's probably quicker to delete all the dvb-t channels and rescan

[11:28:06]

stuarta:

than to attempt mysql fu

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oaf:

yeah I was wondering. I just have all my xmlvids all nicely set up and it was a pain last time.

[11:28:55]

oaf:

Fortunately the chan numbers for the -S channels are high

[11:29:01]

oaf:

So I could use that I suppose.

[11:29:09]

stuarta:

yeah that would work

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oaf:

XML stuff seems more polished than when I set it up though

[11:29:23]

oaf:

So mebbe it will be more "automated"

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stuarta:

best to do it before rescanning the dvb-s tho :-p

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oaf:

Might try the high nums first

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oaf:

I can always rescan and go for lunch :-)))

[11:30:14]

oaf:

I wish the card/source setup stuff was a bit more intuitive. Maybe it's just me but it seems a bit opaque.

[11:30:15]

stuarta:

alternative is to use your mysql-fu to copy the xmltvids to a temp table and copy them back later

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oaf:

yeah

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oaf:

I dumped the xmls to a text file as backup

[11:30:36]

oaf:

can always plonk them back in later

[11:31:49]

oaf:

Is the satellite EIT stuff working nicely now? All the reverse-engineering done?

[11:32:01]

oaf:

stuarta: Are you the stuarta who did some work on that?

[11:32:10]

stuarta:

aye

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stuarta:

you get data for the freesat channels

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oaf:

stuarta: OK, that's interesting. Thanks for working on that :-) And do you find it "adequate" as a data source?

[11:33:24]

stuarta:

yeah, you get a few discrepancies between the dvb-t & dvb-s eit data

[11:33:36]

stuarta:

clearly they get different monkeys to do the typing

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stuarta:

nothing major tho, if anything you record a few episodes too many

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oaf:

Sounds about right. So one last thing before I stop bothering you... how do you pick HD versions of shows over SD?

[11:34:33]

oaf:

Let's say Prog "X" is on BBC1 *and* BBC HD? I want the HD version?

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stuarta:

atm, the only way is to change the priority of a channel

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oaf:

Hmmm I thought so. OK.

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oaf:

...and make sure any recording rules are "one a week" or whatever not "*on this channel*"

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oaf:

Would that be right?

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stuarta:

i have an outstanding ticket that i want to work on allowing HD indicators to modify priority

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stuarta:

any channel rules

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oaf:

Yes, exactly.

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oaf:

HD indicators vs priority would be great.

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oaf:

It feels like something which should "just happen" though I appreciate the complexities (or some of them)

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stuarta:

all the priority modifiers are interesting

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oaf:

There are HD flags aren't there in the data?

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stuarta:

there's scope there to do stuff like prefer signed showings of a program (for deaf ppl) etc

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stuarta:

yes

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oaf:

Yes I saw that discussion, I'd like to *avoid* those for example

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stuarta:

me too :)

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oaf:

Ha ha

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oaf:

Nothing worse than thinking the system has been clever and then discovering the show recorded at 2am is signed.

[11:37:26]

oaf:

grr.

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oaf:

:-)

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stuarta:

they haven't gone as far as putting signed repeats of hd programs on bbc hd at 2am tho

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stuarta:

priority mod = hd (+1), signed (-1) = 0 :(

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oaf:

stuarta: :) Yes, there isn't so much on HD at all really as far as I can see but I suppose it will improve.

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stuarta:

the documentaries are the main ones of interest

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oaf:

stuarta: thanks for your pointers. Much appreciated, as is your work on Myth :-) I'll get scanning. Cheers!

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sphery:

oaf: see http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6 under Input Priority, Channel Priority, and HDTV Priority, and Custom Priority

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highzeth:

will see if I can get a lock on that sat this week, my last attempt was fubar, too small a dish, hopefully 2meter will do it

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sphery:

too late

[11:49:02]

sphery:

stuarta: The HDTV priority setting isn't what you want? It's not per-rule, but it seems to do the job.

[11:49:02]

stuarta:

blimey, pretty pictures

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stuarta:

that would

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** stuarta rereads his ticket **

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stuarta:

okay, i originally created it for signed program

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stuarta:

later added HD to the ticket

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stuarta:

seems like in the meantime someone has added HD priority already

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sphery:

ah, for signed priority, you'd have to use the Custom Priority (though there's an example for exactly that in the docs)

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highzeth:

what kinda paint/paintjob would you recommend on a dish? Need to make it "blend" in a bit more than it is now..

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stuarta:

i want to extend the priority modifiers to include signed as a modifier

[11:52:39]

stuarta:

exactly like what the HD one seems to be doing

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sphery:

oh, it was for Closed Caption priority...

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stuarta:

#2201

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sphery:

what's the field for signed?

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stuarta:

it's an attribute iirc

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sphery:

audioprop of HARDHEAR or VISUALIMPAIR?

[11:54:01]

** stuarta is just finding an example **

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sphery:

I guess it would be HARDHEAR

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sphery:

or subtitletypes of SIGNED

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sphery:

could definitely do it with a Custom Priority, though

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sphery:

we should modify the docs (and possibly the Custom Priority editor) to include an example

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stuarta:

custom priority is only cause we don't yet have the appropriate priority mod

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stuarta:

doh, empty result set

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stuarta:

select * from program where subtitletypes='SIGNED' limit 2;

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sphery:

stuarta: to get all those that include (but aren't limited to) SIGNED, I think you need subtitletypes LIKE '%SIGNED%' or subtitletypes & 8 (per http://dev.mysql.com/tech-resources/articles/ . . . tatype.html)

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stuarta:

my way should work too

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stuarta:

select distinct subtitletypes from program where subtitletypes <> '';

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stuarta:

and i only get HARDHEAR, NORMAL

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stuarta:

which explains the whole problem :)

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sphery:

ah, yeah

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sphery:

only times your query wouldn't work is if you had multiple (like 'HARDHEAR,SIGNED')

[12:09:04]

sphery:

but it would work if you had one that's only one

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stuarta:

there's an example of that in the link you posted

[12:10:11]

stuarta:

you would want where subtitletypes in ('HARDHEAR', 'SIGNED');

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sphery:

hmmm... in http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6 , we show how to get the list of available values for a set with: SHOW COLUMNS FROM program LIKE '%prop'\G SHOW COLUMNS FROM program LIKE 'subtitletypes'\G

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sphery:

we should probably do it as DESCRIBE program videoprop\G DESCRIBE program audioprop\G DESCRIBE program subtitletypes\G

[12:16:31]

sphery:

or DESCRIBE program '%prop'\G for the 2 prop ones

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sphery:

or may even want to do a SELECT DISTINCT, like you did, to show which ones are usable

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stuarta:

no that just shows which ones are currently present in your program data

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stuarta:

not which ones are available

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sphery:

yeah, but with 3 weeks of data, I figured it would be likely to show most of the ones that your grabber provides

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sphery:

because creating a rule that uses one that will never be in there wouldn't work well

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stuarta:

indeed :)

[12:23:03]

sphery:

maybe just show both so they can see why it doesn't work when they try to increase priority for SIGNED shows :)

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** stuarta makes a note to fix the eitfixup to indicated signed shows **

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Essobi:

Good Morning!

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cynicismic:

ls

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iamlindoro:

.

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iamlindoro:

..

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iamlindoro:

filthyporn/

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iamlindoro:

midgetporn/

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iamlindoro:

grannyporn/

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iamlindoro:

furry/

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iamlindoro:

Fraggle Rock/

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stuarta:

iamlindoro: *AHEM* !!!

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iamlindoro:

sudo relax

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iamlindoro:

;)

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nambo:

fragle rock!!

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** stuarta pokes iamlindoro with a sharp obscenity **

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iamlindoro:

You brits need a more scandinavian outlook :)

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stuarta:

well that's not me :)

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wagnerrp:

even they dont like the furries

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iamlindoro:

I was just listing the contents of whassisname's drive

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iamlindoro:

he's the one who ran the command, blame him

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diesel:

I setup a recording last night, but don't see it when I go to Watch Recordings under Media Library. When I go under manage recordings, the recorded program that I thought I would see under Watch Recordings is listed here. Any ideas what I am missing

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iamlindoro:

Manage recordings contains dozens of subscreens, you'd need to be a lot more specific about where you saw it there

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iamlindoro:

The recording could have failed, or you could just have the wrong filter set in the Watch Recordings screen

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jduggan:

cant fault scan for business

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jduggan:

get emails for status notifications and 20minutes later its all picked awaiting dispatch

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sphery:

oaf (tried to tell you before you left earlier): see http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-12.html#ss12.6 under Input Priority, Channel Priority, and HDTV Priority, and Custom Priority

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oaf:

sphery: thanks for that... useful. I've got BBC HD now cranked up a notch in channel priorities and it is behaving nicely.

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chris_:

Can anyone tell me what the quality of SDTV from DVB-T source will be like on a 24" 1080p monitor?

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SHADOW_V2:

not hd looking

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chris_:

But as good as on a CRT?

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chris_:

or... really sharp looking such that it looks like crap?

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SHADOW_V2:

all depends on the source

[16:41:26]

SHADOW_V2:

sure the it wont be as sharp as on a lower res monitor

[16:41:38]

SHADOW_V2:

you can also letter box it

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chris_:

I'm in the UK, so it's a PAL-I source (I think)

[16:42:00]

SHADOW_V2:

i am just saying source quality

[16:42:09]

chris_:

Basically, thinking of replacing my CRT TV with a computer monitor, using my myth box.

[16:42:30]

SHADOW_V2:

i think its personal if its acceptable or not

[16:42:45]

SHADOW_V2:

if i where doing that change i would try and put some hd on there but thts me

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chris_:

I'd love to as well, but can't get much HD here.

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SHADOW_V2:

i think it will look better than a crt but not as crisp as hd

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chris_:

that's acceptable to me.

[16:44:14]

SHADOW_V2:

best bet is to try

[16:44:20]

SHADOW_V2:

and see what you think

[16:44:47]

GreyFoxx:

Ok, stupid question, can any of you ubuntu users point me to the proper procedure to install the ATI catalyst drivers? Apparently I'm google impaired

[16:44:48]

chris_:

Yes, but I'll probably be buying online, so returning might be a pain.

[16:45:55]

AndyCap:

chris_: snag 1. a monitor can't be turned on and off by remote usually.

[16:46:48]

AndyCap:

chris_: and are you using dvb-t or analog on the crt today?

[16:46:59]

chris_:

AndyCap: that's fine by me. As long as I can use my remote to control my mythbox (Mac mini), then it's fine...

[16:47:05]

stuarta:

dvb-t != pal-i

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SHADOW_V2:

GreyFoxx, sudo apt-get install fglrx

[16:47:59]

chris_:

I've installed Mythbuntu successfully with an old CRT monitor over VGA. When I connect to my CRT (using Apple DVI to composite adapter, older intel mac mini with 945GM chipset), it doesn't work.

[16:48:00]

janneg:

chris_: I would say it will look as bad as the source is which might be an improvement compared to the CRT

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SHADOW_V2:

or or something close to that

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chris_:

So, looking into other solutions, like a new monitor/TV.

[16:49:11]

RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Here is a slightly better patch for the Filter – full text search and Graphite. http://pastebin.ca/1463630

[16:49:26]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: don't know if it works (as I don't use either *buntu nor the ATI proprietary drivers), but http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Jaunt . . . yst_package. seems to indicate you build a deb from the package on ATI's website yourself.

[16:49:50]

SHADOW_V2:

sphery, they also do have some in repos

[16:49:54]

wagnerrp:

why cant they just use numbers like normal people

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chris_:

janneg: thanks, that's acceptable to me. My hesitancy is that I've walked past HDTVs in shop windows, and the images look awful due to their sharpness and grainyness... as long as this doesn't happen that I don't care.

[16:50:08]

chris_:

or perhaps you can't see this from a distance.

[16:50:28]

iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: What I did for you is an ugly hack, I can't look at that one more closely until the code is in, can't drop a random textedit in when most people won't have it

[16:50:55]

stuarta:

chris_: the shops don't tend to have decent source material imho

[16:51:12]

AndyCap:

chris_: I would not bet on it looking prettier, but it depends on how far away you sit from the monitor. :)

[16:51:13]

RDV_Linux:

Understood. I was not expecting anything.

[16:51:17]

stuarta:

but know way of knowing unless there's a dvb-t box in the back or build in

[16:51:28]

wagnerrp:

which makes no sense... you would think they would want the absolute best material they could find

[16:51:48]

chris_:

stuarta: this was my thought, yes. I get good reception from my aerial (DVB-T), so hope it's ok. But first to try and sort the issue with my current CRT TV. I suspect it's a xorg.conf issue, but am looking into it.

[16:51:58]

stuarta:

these are people who couldn't find the on button on the front of the computer if you pointed it out to the

[16:51:59]

janneg:

chris_: grainyness is probably a bad analog signal. DVB-T will have block artifacts

[16:52:01]

stuarta:

m

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AndyCap:

or you know, feed the tv with the best profit margin with the best material, but that would require that the people wiring this cared.

[16:54:04]

chris_:

My real issue is that MythTV frontend starts up fine when connected to a VGA monitor, but only the wallpaper and XFCE menubar shows when I boot up connected to my CRT TV with composite.

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chris_:

I'm running Mythbuntu 9.04, Myth 0.21. Cursor moves about fine, but keyboard doesn't seem to function (ctrl+esc for menu, etc.)

[16:55:02]

chris_:

Does this sound like a xorg.conf issue? Only thing changing is which monitor is connected.

[16:55:03]

AndyCap:

chris_: so how does this work? one monitor or does it think you have two when you use tv out

[16:55:17]

AndyCap:

chris_: read your X log files.

[16:55:38]

chris_:

AndyCap: I turn everything off, and unplug the VGA monitor. Then connect CRT TV.

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GreyFoxx:

SHADOW_V2: / sphery: Thanks. I'll look into both

[16:56:12]

SHADOW_V2:

yup

[16:56:27]

chris_:

AndyCap: It should just think I use one monitor, I think.

[16:57:09]

chris_:

(The mac mini is running both frontend and backend.)

[16:59:10]

chris_:

Do I need to specify in my xorg.conf that the output should be PAL-I?

[17:00:08]

chris_:

Since it's going over composite, so I've read I might need to set max resolution at 800x600. Yet, when I had Mac OS X running, it ran fine at 1024x768.

[17:01:14]

sphery:

the tv out on the video card should scale fine from 1024x768 (and picture/UI fit will likely be better than 800x600)

[17:01:53]

chris_:

It's a 16:9 TV, not sure if that's an issue.

[17:01:53]

sphery:

but I'd bet you have a multi-screen setup and that's what's causing the problem

[17:02:15]

sphery:

not an issue as long as you set DisplaySize to an appropriate (16:9 ratio) value

[17:02:16]

chris_:

I haven't specified anything multi-screen in my xorg.conf though...

[17:02:37]

sphery:

chris_: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size

[17:02:46]

sphery:

I think the default is multi-screen

[17:03:20]

chris_:

Thanks, I have set DisplaySize, but can't even get the frontend to show, nevermind at correct ratio.

[17:03:22]

sphery:

but if you have multi-screen setup, you have to specify the Monitor Aspect Ratio in mythfrontend settings (it won't be there if you don't have a multi-screen setup)

[17:03:41]

sphery:

is mythfrontend running/visible in process list?

[17:03:49]

sphery:

if so, it's on screen 0 and you're looking at screen 1

[17:04:02]

sphery:

most likely, at least

[17:04:16]

chris_:

I have no idea... can't use keyboard as it doesn't operate, and last I checked, sshd hadn't started so couldn't get in from my laptop.

[17:04:28]

chris_:

Is there a way to force all output to screen 0?

[17:06:34]

wagnerrp:

all screens on a server will be screen 0

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chris_:

damn, have to run to lecture. will look into it. thanks.

[17:06:50]

wagnerrp:

however if you dont use xinerama, you will be 0.0, 0.1, 0.2....

[17:07:03]

wagnerrp:

im not certain how xrandr handles those things

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SHADOW_V2:

Why do some channels lock but only display a black screen before saying error was encounterd while displaying video

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wagnerrp:

because theres no video feed

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wagnerrp:

theyre broadcasting a signal, but theres no feed, or its an encrypted one

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SHADOW_V2:

oh ok

[17:10:10]

SHADOW_V2:

didnt know they did that i do have do not show encrypted channels checked off is that a smart option or does it have false positives

[17:10:35]

wagnerrp:

then its possible youre picking up 'on demand' channels

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wagnerrp:

they have a descriptor, but are not actively sending video

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SHADOW_V2:

ah ok

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thos:

hi, I notice that mythbacked constantly uses about 1–3% CPU. Are there any options I can tweak to reduce this?

[17:43:14]

wagnerrp:

is there a problem with mythbackend using such a small amount of processor?

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thos:

yes, the power consumption and heat generated by constant load

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meshe:

killall mythbackend

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meshe:

that should take care of it :)

[17:45:05]

wagnerrp:

its apparently doing something... mine is sitting at 0%

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meshe:

yours could be a faster processor wagnerrp

[17:45:37]

wagnerrp:

what processor are you using? are you currently playing something on the frontend? (or recording on the backend)

[17:45:50]

wagnerrp:

do you use EIT?

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thos:

I'm using a via processor on a nano-itx board, hence the concern about heat :-)

[17:46:55]

wagnerrp:

well thats why you have noticeable CPU usage

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thos:

exactly

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meshe:

then most likely your processor usage matches up to wagnerrp's and your slower processor is showing it

[17:47:17]

meshe:

it's probably just normal behaviour

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wagnerrp:

and that low CPU usage is probably eating up a couple of watts by keeping your machine out of a sleep state

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thos:

meshe: but 20 wakeups a second for idle seems to be a bit odd?

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wagnerrp:

if you cant handle a couple extra watts, you need to rethink your placement

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highzeth:

thos: get used to it, I have 4 via backends too, showing constant 1–3% load

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thos:

it's really the heat i'm most concerned about

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wagnerrp:

those things dont put out sufficient heat to worry about

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wagnerrp:

not unless you wrap them in blankets or something

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thos:

they do when they are at 70C

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meshe:

thos: depends on how it's coded, the backend watches a number of things

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thos:

meshe: that's what I was wondering, what things can I turn off?

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thos:

can I turn EIT off

[17:49:07]

wagnerrp:

if you have a VIA running at 70C, you need better ventilation

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highzeth:

thos Ive put in small case fans, it was either that or jacking the "lid"

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wagnerrp:

EIT comes off by default

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meshe:

you can run; strace -p <pid>

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meshe:

and see what it's doing

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thos:

good idea

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thos:

mysql wakes up a lot too though

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meshe:

probably checking for connections

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wagnerrp:

if you cant handle the heat load by the machine at a couple percent usage, youre doing it wrong

[17:51:22]

wagnerrp:

you should always, always, ALWAYS design things for the maximum amount of heat they may put off

[17:51:52]

highzeth:

thos: if you got a better spec'd box, set it up as the backend master(with db)

[17:52:01]

thos:

wagnerrp: hmm, I usually try and design my software to be as efficient as possible too :-)

[17:52:28]

wagnerrp:

thos: theres only so much you can do if you need to stay active for incoming connections

[17:52:55]

thos:

ok, the backend is now recording anywya, will have to investigate later

[17:53:10]

thos:

wagnerrp: sure, I just wanted to understand *what* mythtv was doing

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sphery:

ahh, powertop... making users everywhere feel that software is poorly written

[17:53:40]

meshe:

hehe

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thos:

so, what does mythbackend do while not recording?

[17:54:34]

wagnerrp:

sit there, waiting for connections

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meshe:

i dont' code for efficience, i code making sure that it works then test for slowdowns and refactor where necessary

[17:55:03]

thos:

wagnerrp: what sort of connections?

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meshe:

most often i don't need to refactor as todays machines are powerful enough to execute the code quickly

[17:55:17]

sphery:

thos: there's the autoexpire thread, the housekeeping thread, the main thread, and probably a /whole bunch/ of others I'm forgetting, plus all the other stuff

[17:55:19]

wagnerrp:

connections from frontends, connections from slave backends

[17:55:26]

wagnerrp:

connections over UPNP

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sphery:

thos: mose likely, though, the wakeups/sec you're seeing are due to Qt3's event loop

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wagnerrp:

anything else over mythproto

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thos:

sphery: really? interesting

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sphery:

thos: it might be better in 0.22 (which will use Qt4), but I won't guarantee that... If nothing else, though, 0.22 will be a much better one to start worrying about that kind of stuff (so your patches to trunk or 0.22 when released would be appreciated :)

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wagnerrp:

is that something better tweeked in Qt4? might explain why i have absolutely no load on trunk

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sphery:

they completely changed their event loop design in Qt4

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thos:

sphery: cool I might give that a try

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wagnerrp:

about 20 minutes after starting the backend, im still at 0:00 wall time

[17:57:15]

thos:

meshe: coming from an embedded background, efficiency is always near the top of my priority list

[17:57:42]

meshe:

thos: i could see that, i write code for the web and data processing on pretty powerful clustered machines

[17:57:43]

sphery:

and--thanks to a lot of hard work by a few devs--the myth code has been improved to take advantage of the new event loop/not use the Qt3-style event stuff that was really inefficient

[17:59:25]

sphery:

heh, "plus all the other stuff" above was meant to mean the stuff that wagnerrp and meshe were talking about

[17:59:31]

wagnerrp:

i write code for data processing on pretty powerful clustered machines

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wagnerrp:

and efficiency is still very important

[18:00:08]

wagnerrp:

of course thats so you can get your program results in 20 days instead of a month

[18:00:20]

squidly:

anyone know how I can setup alsa to pass every thing though to my hdmi sound?

[18:00:26]

thos:

anyway, thanks for the suggestions, I'll try out 0.22 as soon as I can

[18:00:49]

meshe:

effieciency is important, but it's not at the forefront of the development process, it comes after when you test how long your code takes to run

[18:00:54]

sphery:

thos: might want to wait until it's released

[18:00:58]

meshe:

premature optimizations cost too much

[18:00:59]

wagnerrp:

squidly: its possible, but ive tried... and failed

[18:01:03]

sphery:

that is, if you want a low-maintenance/working PVR

[18:01:19]

wagnerrp:

i know you need 1.1.19 or something before its functional

[18:01:29]

wagnerrp:

im not sure if any of the in-kernel versions are new enoug

[18:01:38]

squidly:

ahh

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sphery:

meshe: +1 --Write for maintainability, then, iff there are performance problems (and you have the budget), profile and then fix the bottlenecks (which are almost never where you expect them :)

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iamlindoro:

Hmm. Maybe MythUI conversions should not be my job

[18:02:53]

meshe:

sphery: exactly!

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wagnerrp:

meshe: well most of the 'optimizations' end up being algorithms and linearization done on paper and blackboard

[18:02:59]

squidly:

I will have to check to see what version mythbuntu runs. I can do some things to my HDMI sound, like live tv, but I cant get ac3 pasthough and dts passthrough working

[18:03:02]

sphery:

I find it very annoying when devs code for optimizations and all their micro-opts end up making it harder to maintain code and in some cases slowing the program down

[18:03:22]

sphery:

*cough*Tomcat*cough*

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sphery:

excuse me... something in my throat

[18:03:54]

squidly:

*cough*java/ms*cough*

[18:04:01]

meshe:

i was taught that a long time ago, it's sooooo true, write for readability and functionality, then speed it up when you know where the problem is

[18:04:32]

meshe:

wagnerrp: different case when you're dealing with complex algorithms, i agree

[18:04:56]

sphery:

I find that when I code for maintainability (even on a presumedly slow platform, like Java), performance tends to follow...

[18:05:21]

squidly:

meshe: my dad (a coder for 30+ years) alwyas said, write clean, optomize in the algo then you should not have to optomize the code in a bad way

[18:05:23]

meshe:

my optimizations tend to be like "improve that sort", "touch a file instead of going to the db 20,000 times"

[18:05:46]

wagnerrp:

the most i do with optimizations in the actual code is just trying to tune for how the processor cache functions

[18:06:04]

sphery:

yeah, there are some places where you have to focus on performance (high-bitrate/high-res H.264 decode, for instance :), but for the majority of code...

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squidly:

wagnerrp: yea I tend to not, but then I'm lazy like that and let the compiler do that for me :)

[18:06:17]

** meshe looks at her perl interpretre and asks "where do i tune the processor cache?" **

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sphery:

meshe: yeah, often it's not the code so much as the design of the code that's the problem

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squidly:

ok time to get some fresh air ;)

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squidly:

(before I start killing pebkac clients)

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wagnerrp:

i know i can see as much as an order of magnitude difference in speed just by changing the order of looping through an array

[18:09:32]

clever:

i found a chunk of code that would do the same mysql query 1000+ times in a row

[18:09:40]

meshe:

yeah, small changes can give huge improvement, all i'm saying is I leave that to the end of the coding process and only do it if necessary

[18:10:27]

meshe:

for i in `seq 1, 100`; do echo 'select 1' | mysql -u root; done

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meshe:

and?

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meshe:

while 1; do echo 'select 1' | mysql -u root; done

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clever:

dont use echo, just do mysql -u root -e 'select 1'

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wagnerrp:

but pipes are fun

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clever:

and take more cpu time :P

[18:12:13]

meshe:

oh noes

[18:12:16]

wagnerrp:

looks like SCO is selling off UNIX

[18:12:28]

meshe:

why are people so obessed over cpu time?

[18:12:42]

meshe:

i thought they didn't own UNIX

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wagnerrp:

there was some thing with Novell claiming they still owned UNIX... i dont know what ever came of that

[18:13:55]

wagnerrp:

something like they just sold SCO the rights to license UNIX to other companies

[18:13:55]

meshe:

yeah, afaik, they just own a license from novell

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AndyCap:

they still have the products. OpenServer and whatnot. dunno if anyone actually buys that for new stuff though, or they only charge maintainance fees from McD and other huge users that are trapped. :P

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wagnerrp:

McD?

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AndyCap:

mcdonald's, dunno if they still use it, since I remember seeing colour monitors there last year.

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SHADOW_V2:

ii have a hvr 1800 and a hvr 1600 in the same be they are being fed from the same splitter the 1800 locks where the 1600 doesnt

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SHADOW_V2:

any ideas?

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wagnerrp:

they have different tuner chips

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wagnerrp:

one in the 1800 might be better

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SHADOW_V2:

hmm should i put in my pinnacle pctv

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SHADOW_V2:

800i

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SHADOW_V2:

seems like i should

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Garbanzo3:

i've found the hvr-1600 to be very sensitive to local EM interference – i had to install a well-shielded soundcard between the 1600 and another tuner card to maintain lock on the 1600

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SHADOW_V2:

its having trouble locking and then quality is bad

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SHADOW_V2:

hmm

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wagnerrp:

doesnt the 1600 have an EM shield on the tuner components?

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wagnerrp:

well it has a metal cover... i assumed that was intended as an EM shield

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SHADOW_V2:

hmm

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Garbanzo3:

at least in my case, the other tuner was behind the 1600, so the interference was coming in from the back

[19:55:28]

SHADOW_V2:

is there a reason why a channel would be broadcasted on multiple streams

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wagnerrp:

german people are nuts...

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SHADOW_V2:

i have a hvr 1800 then the mb riser card than a 1600

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SHADOW_V2:

german people are nuts?

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wagnerrp:

they now have gold vending machines

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SHADOW_V2:

thats not a waste?

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wagnerrp:

carry it around... give it to your children... store it for uncertain times

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meshe:

my husband has sold lots of gold bars in the last 6 months

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wagnerrp:

gold has worth because of jewelry and electronics

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** stuarta nicks a few **

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wagnerrp:

in a downturn, people wont be buying jewelry, and industry doesnt need much of it

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wagnerrp:

worth will fall just like everything else

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wagnerrp:

i guess its the whole thing about hoarding cash under a matress

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meshe:

yeah, people were buying them because the price had dropped

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wagnerrp:

the vending machines are selling at 30% above market price

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meshe:

also if one economy dies paper money is worthless, but gold is of value in other countries

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wagnerrp:

why would gold have worth?

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XLV:

also its useful if you end up teethless

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defaultro:

Afternoon folks. Can mythtv play BD movies now?

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laga:

no

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laga:

can you?

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wagnerrp:

defaultro: mythtv can play the decrypted media files that come on bluray disks

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defaultro:

nope, I don't have a drive yet

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defaultro:

oh, it has to be decrypted first

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wagnerrp:

but it has no support for the menu structure, and it has no way to decrypting it

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wagnerrp:

linux in general has almost no support for decrypting it

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defaultro:

oh

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defaultro:

so looks like everything is done on Windows

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wagnerrp:

AACS can be done fairly reliably

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wagnerrp:

but BD+ has only been cracked for a handful of disk

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defaultro:

is that a tool?

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wagnerrp:

aside from AnyDVD

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defaultro:

k

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defaultro:

it's a type of encryption then

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defaultro:

so I guess, i'll just have to buy a standalone bd player

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wagnerrp:

thats the ticket

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defaultro:

k

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wagnerrp:

or buy a rom, rip them in windows, and play them in mythtv

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defaultro:

yep, that's a good idea too :)

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wagnerrp:

but there is no support for direct playback visible on the horizon

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defaultro:

mythvideo should

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defaultro:

although we have to enter mplayer in videometadata

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Sigi:

hi, i got a ati card and nvidia, i only can start mythtv if i use XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" myth-frontend

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wagnerrp:

mythvideo can play the m2ts files that come on bluray disks

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wagnerrp:

it cannot use the menu system on bluray

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Sigi:

but can i make that permanent somehow ?

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kormoc:

Sigi, and?

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defaultro:

yep, it's fine if it doesn't have the menu

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kormoc:

Sigi, add it to your .bashrc file?

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wagnerrp:

why would you have to add anything about mplayer in videometadata/

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Sigi:

kormoc: ok

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defaultro:

the mplayer command

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defaultro:

that's how I currently do it

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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defaultro:

to play files

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wagnerrp:

theres no need for mplayer

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Sigi:

kormoc: just add XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" to the bottom?

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wagnerrp:

and theres usually less need for you to be going into the database

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defaultro:

oh ok, i've been doing this for more than 2 years now

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defaultro:

so everything I have an mpg file, I will have to sql INSERT it

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defaultro:

s/everything/everytime/

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defaultro:

i must be doing it the old way

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wagnerrp:

the scanner should do that just fine

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wagnerrp:

there should be no reason to manually insert files

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Sigi:

can someone help me howto make XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" permenant for mythtv?

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laga:

what distro are you running? ubuntu by any chance?

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Sigi:

yes

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Sigi:

9.04 with ati car

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Sigi:

d

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laga:

Sigi: /etc/mythtv/session-settings or something similar

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Sigi:

i read that on google to, just add in the bottom ?

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Sigi:

export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" .. but that doesnt work

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laga:

yeah, should work

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Sigi:

or without export ?

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laga:

try it

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Sigi:

both dont work here

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darkdrgn2k:

ok this is wier

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darkdrgn2k:

mythlog shows thigns are recording:

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darkdrgn2k:

http://pastebin.ca/1463958

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darkdrgn2k:

butnothign is recoreded?

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darkdrgn2k:

ok how do i reset the "Recorded" flags?

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Sigi:

how can i complete remove mythtv from ubuntu?

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Sigi:

also all settings and everything ?

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iamlindoro:

Ask your packager

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Sigi:

i did, complete remove all. but there are still files from mythtv...

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Sigi:

and my problem still exists when i try to reinstall it

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laga:

man aptitude, look for purge

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iamlindoro:

Myth's configuration is not in config files, it's in the database, so as long as you have removed that, then your problem is likely related to setup errors

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Sigi:

are there stored in mysql?

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darkdrgn2k:

sigi: most of myth's config is stored in the database

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darkdrgn2k:

sigi: the only config files that exist really is the file that tells myth were the database is :)

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clever:

and to store the db wakeup command

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clever:

for wake on lan

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Sigi:

ok thx :) its running again, im trying this for the first time, but it isnt very easy :P

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Sigi:

when i try to go to "watch tv" it just returns to the main screen

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meshe:

check your backend logs

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meshe:

most likely you either haven't completed the setup process in mythtv-setup or you're getting the permission denied error on your recordings directory

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Sigi:

ok chekking now :)

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Sigi:

does it need to be 777 ?

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Sigi:

who, it works!! :D

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meshe:

no, the mythtv user has to have permissions to access/write to it

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Sigi:

now i need to fix program guide for dutch tv mmmmh

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Sigi:

does someone know why my gnome menu bar is above mythtv ?

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Josh_Borke:

you didn't tell it to be full screen?

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Sigi:

y it is on full screen, but gnome panel is still on top

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meshe:

compiz

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meshe:

try disabling the advanced desktop appearance settings

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Sigi:

oke :)

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laga:

qt 3 does not set the proper full screen hints AFAIK. there is a compatbility plugin

[22:08:32]

meshe:

if you have the compiz settings manager install there is a setting for it...

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Sigi:

can i also just put visual effects to none ?

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meshe:

Utility -> Workarounds -> Legacy Fullscreen Support

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meshe:

yes

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Sigi:

oke :)

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** laga still wonders why people needed compiz **

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Sigi:

on destkop it owns....

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laga:

it owns what?

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meshe:

cube++

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Sigi:

my destkop :D

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meshe:

the first thing i do after installing Ubuntu is get the cube going

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Sigi:

i think its a bit like those iphones... also nice and shiny

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** laga kde 3 user ;) **

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meshe:

iPhone user :)

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laga:

n95 for my phone ;)

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Sigi:

whehe :P

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Sigi:

w960 music phone here :O

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laga:

sony ericsson? those who come without a real headphone jack?

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Sigi:

y its a sony, real headphone jack? its the same plug ass the charger

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meshe:

heh i remember that on my old SE's

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laga:

Sigi: http://images.appleinsider.com/ipodiphoneav-review-5.jpg ;– cable on the bottom

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Sigi:

ok, but the headphones are awsome :) so no need for others

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laga:

when i went to buy my n95, i had to take the sales guy to the headphone dept to show him what a standard 3.5mm headphone jack looks like. ridiculous

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Sigi:

whaha :P i know what it is, but my English isn't always as good... probably noticed that already :P

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laga:

francais? :)

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Sigi:

no dutch :P

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Sigi:

going to france in about a month :)

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Sigi:

what much is the communication between frontend and backend ?

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Sigi:

in kb/s or mb/s

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Sigi:

or depends that on resolution of your frontend screen ?

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clever:

usualy in the kb/s, but it also depends on if your streaming video

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clever:

ive rigged things up to have a local slave with all the recordings, and the master was in another country

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Sigi:

ohw nice!

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clever:

it took 12 hours to push a 1h recording over the web and into my local slave

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clever:

but once i had it in place, things worked somewhat ok

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Sigi:

pfuu ok :P

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clever:

i also had to mess with the mysql stuff to make it route stuff thru a VPN

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Sigi:

ok, i was thinking about ssh tunnel

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clever:

i was using hamachi, so i could just access the master like it was on the local network

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clever:

but an ssh/ppp tunnel could be used to do the same thing

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SHADOW_V2:

i am having a an issue with my source comming in

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SHADOW_V2:

the hvr 1800 would lock and i could watch the channel

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SHADOW_V2:

except every few secounds or so the video would stop

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SHADOW_V2:

then it would start again

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SHADOW_V2:

its audio and video would stop

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SHADOW_V2:

i was wondering if someone could help me out on what i should do with my amplifiers or what i should do

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pizzledizzle:

can someone help? im trying to start Live TV but it's taking me back to the menu without showing anything. here are the logs: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/f502399a6

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SHADOW_V2:

pizzledizzle, did you follow the mythtv manual

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SHADOW_V2:

and setup everything in the be

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pizzledizzle:

yes.. i have a changechannel script and everything. i tried using the script and it worked perfectly alone

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SHADOW_V2:

pizzledizzle, make sure the be is setup correctly

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pizzledizzle:

be?

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clever:

backenc

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clever:

backend

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SHADOW_V2:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:Detail . . . tion_Backend

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SHADOW_V2:

because it could be that you dont have it setup right

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RDV_Linux:

iamlindoro: Graphite theme observation: I noticed something odd when using Graphite. In Gallery view (enabled – File Browse Mode and Flat View) I go into a directory of TV episodes and my CPU is between 0–1% (idle). If I bring up the play window on one of those episodes the CPU changes to 11–14% (consistent 19–22% on one of four cores). If I exit the play window the CPU returns to idle.

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RDV_Linux:

I repeated this same test with the Terra theme and the play window caused a CPU changed to 2–4% (consistent 14% on one of four cores). Do you experience the same thing? If so do you know why? Overall it does not have any ill effects on my system but that kind of processing overhead on a screen display seems wrong.

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pizzledizzle:

i just double checked the backend and everything is setup right

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pizzledizzle:

#

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pizzledizzle:

2009-06–17 18:32:31.864 TVRec(1): Changing from WatchingLiveTV to None

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pizzledizzle:

#

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pizzledizzle:

2009-06–17 18:32:32.582 Finished recording Sled: channel 3140

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pizzledizzle:

this is weird. it says channel 3140 but it's supposed to be 2140

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Josh_Borke:

please don't paste here

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pizzledizzle:

anyone know what could be wrong?

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pizzledizzle:

what does "writeStringList:

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pizzledizzle:

Error, socket went unconnected.

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SHADOW_V2:

pizzledizzle, google is your friend

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SHADOW_V2:

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=342520

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SHADOW_V2:

hmm oh look seems to have been a seting up the be problem

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nambo:

so i finally figured out my digital tuner :]

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nambo:

it was the splits

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pizzledizzle:

everything was working. i added a serial irblaster and now nothing works

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** nambo went out and bought a coax amplifier today, whalah, i gots signal :P **

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pizzledizzle:

wasted 3 hours sitting here trying to figure out what went wrong

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nambo:

pizzledizzle: i spent 3 days working on this tuner, until i figured out my signal was junk

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nambo:

so cry me a river... heh :P

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SHADOW_V2:

nambo, how did you figure that out

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nambo:

intuition, wasn't getting anything

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nambo:

and the fact that the cable company has been out here a bit

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nambo:

hehe

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nambo:

they just boosted my signal

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nambo:

this amplifier boosts it another 10dB

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nambo:

you lose dB per each split

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nambo:

if it's 13dBm at the tap, it's 9dBm at my box, and it's all downhill from there

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pizzledizzle:

ok you know what's weird? selecting "Watch TV" doesnt do anything but take me back to the menu, but when it tries to record a scheduled recording, it works

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SHADOW_V2:

yeah but isnt there a such thing as too much amplification

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SHADOW_V2:

i have 2 amplifiers

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pressure:

my mythtv goes up to 11

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nambo:

shadow_v2: s/n ratio suffers a little

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nambo:

noise is also amplified with a amplifier, but this one filters it pretty well

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SHADOW_V2:

i have one -1.5 db spllit +16 db amplifier + 8 db amplifier -5.5 db splitter

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nambo:

noise from the first amplifier is most important

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nambo:

so it's good you have the +16dB amp first

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nambo:

probably has the best s/n ratio

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SHADOW_V2:

yeah

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nambo:

this is just a 10dB, 2W amplifier

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nambo:

nothing fancy, but it's doing a good job

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nambo:

$35 at Radio Shack

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darkdrgn2k:

is this normal?

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darkdrgn2k:

2009-06–17 19:06:32.491 Opening audio device 'default'. ch 2(2) sr 48000

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darkdrgn2k:

2009-06–17 19:06:32.491 Opening ALSA audio device 'iec958:{ AES0 0x02 }'.

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darkdrgn2k:

2009-06–17 19:06:32.502 Mixer unable to find control Master

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darkdrgn2k:

2009-06–17 19:06:32.502 Mixer unable to find control Master

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laga:

darkdrgn2k: no, people usually use a pastebion

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laga:

g'night

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darkdrgn2k:

laga: *sigh* sorry

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darkdrgn2k:

http://pastebin.ca/1464198 <- any one? no sound

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nambo:

ugh

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nambo:

now i'm dealing with getting the channel numbers right

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darkdrgn2k:

hug?

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darkdrgn2k:

any one know if HDMI audio out passes through IEC958?

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darkdrgn2k:

wow

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pizzledizzle:

anyone know what could be the reason for live tv not working but recordings work fine?

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sphery:

pizzledizzle: analog capture? broken LiveTV recording profile

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pizzledizzle:

basically when i select "watch tv", pictures turns black and i can see ir blaster trying to change channel on directtv, and after that it returns me to the menu

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sphery:

so, sounds like analog capture

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sphery:

fix your LiveTV recording profile

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sphery:

if using ivtv, make it 720x480 (assuming NTSC since it's DirecTV)

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sphery:

the other reason that can happen is if you have broken system configuration (specifically time zone differs on frontend and backend)

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** iamlindoro grumbles about people who choose AppleTV frontends and then ask qhy the UI isn't responsive **

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iamlindoro:

s/qhy/why/

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jduggan:

i looked @ apple frontend

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jduggan:

certainly in the uk, one could get the zotac ion with case and disk for the same price

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** jduggan does not see anything special **

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nambo:

heh, craples

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nambo:

sorry, they have a purpose, i agree

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nambo:

but i'd never choose one for a front end

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nambo:

to each their own tho

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** nambo is just stoked his DTV is FINALLY working **

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nambo:

god, wasn't that like pulling fingernails

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iamlindoro:

Nothing Crappy about Apple, they make excellent hardware, and the best laptops on the market

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iamlindoro:

doesn't make the ATV an appropriate frontend choice, though

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nambo:

most overpriced hardware on the market you mean

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nambo:

plenty of good lappys out there

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nambo:

they make a good product, don't get me wrong

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SHADOW_V2:

iamlindoro, boxee?

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** SHADOW_V2 runs away as fast as he can **

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nambo:

but you pay that markup on the name

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V2, Guess it depends on your content

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nambo:

Panasonic Toughbook > macbook

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nambo:

any day of the week

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nambo:

:P

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SHADOW_V2:

for looking ugly

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iamlindoro:

anyone who thinks you're paying only for the Apple name when you get an apple has never owned one, or is dense

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nambo:

shadow: they are fugly as hell, i admit

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SHADOW_V2:

iamlindoro, i cant agree more

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nambo:

but damn, you can roll over it in a truck

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SHADOW_V2:

you get much more than just the logo

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iamlindoro:

You are paying for a superior operating system, premium parts, and excellent service

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nambo:

pick it up, and work on it

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iamlindoro:

All of those things are worth a little more money for me

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iamlindoro:

Like the difference between a brand name road bike and a china special

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nambo:

iamlindoro: i've owned an apple, i've supported apple networks, in fact i've repaired plenty of them (macbooks and desktops)

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iamlindoro:

You can get the same parts, but they are *not* the same device

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nambo:

and i still say they're overpriced

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SHADOW_V2:

iamlindoro, but it does the same thing

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nambo:

and you're paying for a name

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nambo:

they have their nitch

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nambo:

ppl that need them, love them

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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iamlindoro:

this is what happens when I clean the ignore list

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nambo:

but if you don't need them (ie: movie producer, sound producer, making art) then go get an acer

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nambo:

yeah, you have to listen to people with more experience than you have

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nambo:

i've worked with laptops for 7 years bud, i know them pretty well

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** iamlindoro chuckles **

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nambo:

i mean, working... like repair work

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nambo:

yeah, you're an egotistical jackass

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iamlindoro:

Maybe you can stay off the ignore list, laughter is good for the soul

[23:44:36]

nambo:

go jerk off to yourself in the mirror

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** iamlindoro yawns **

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nambo:

like every other "programmer" i know

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nambo:

iamlindoro: sorry you fell for the Crapple propaganda, just like everybody that ever bought a BMW

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nambo:

BMW = Beer Money Wasted

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iamlindoro:

I'm sorry your youth makes you think that 7 years of experience is a long time. Taste comes with time, I don't blame you for being age-appropriate

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nambo:

i'm 33 years old son, i've been in IT for a very long time

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nambo:

youth

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nambo:

lol

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nambo:

i'm sorry you think programming for a FOSS project makes you worthy to kiss up to

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nambo:

i'm telling you you're paying for a name with an Apple because it's accepted amongst most IT professionals that you are

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iamlindoro:

7 years does not a long time make, and as I recall you seemed to think your unfinished degree made you more educated than me

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nambo:

sorry you're too arrogant to figure out where macs shine and where they don't

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nambo:

blah blah blah

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iamlindoro:

So if you're a non-college grad with only 7 years of experience, I'll keep my own counsel on... well, everything

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nambo:

<iamlindoro> my penis is bigger than yours

[23:50:10]

nambo:

<nambo> no it's not

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nambo:

get a life son

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nambo:

seriously

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nambo:

have you ever had sex before?

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nambo:

sorry i won't feed your ego iamlinmoron

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nambo:

i bet you're begging ops right now to ban me, because i have shamed you in your little stomping grounds

[23:52:19]

nambo:

seriously, i'm here for one reason alone, the only reason you are good for

[23:52:23]

nambo:

getting my dvr working

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nambo:

now that it is, you can go piss up a rope jackass

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GreyFoxx:

I'll ban you for the lnguage, not for having an attitude. Cut it out

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nambo:

fuckin egotistical moron, lifelong virgin... no one cares about you or your ego

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nambo:

greyfoxx: i'm done

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GreyFoxx:

You wanna talk like a sailor do it elsewhere

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GreyFoxx:

ok

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nambo:

i'm sick of trying to be nice to this guy, and have him snap at me

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nambo:

agreed

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nambo:

he's ignored

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iamlindoro:

Aaaaaanyhoo, back to our regularly scheduled program

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SHADOW_V2:

iamlindoro, is the best!!!!

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** iamlindoro slips SHADOW_V2 a twenty **

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iamlindoro:

don't spend it all in one place

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SHADOW_V2:

thank you i wont

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