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Monday, June 15th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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Dagmar:

Ponty: Run ifconfig. Look at the errors field for RX and TX packets. Any number greater than about well, 0 should be cause for concern.

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Dagmar:

Odds are if you have something more than a dozen or so tx/rx errors, you have a cabling issue

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Ponty:

RX packets:4481217 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0

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Ponty:

TX packets:5107169 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0

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wagnerrp:

well thats unfortunate, i have 83 listed on my PBE

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wagnerrp:

although ive not experienced any form of problems

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kormoc:

blame it on rats

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iamlindoro:

Not on the a-a-a-a-a-alcohol?

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Ponty:

She's only been up for about a day so far. I'll keep my eye on that aspect IF I get a dropped video.

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kormoc:

that works too

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iamlindoro:

So I got hack not one, not two, but THREE AppleTV's for Myth this weekend

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kormoc:

nice

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Ponty:

Clarify?

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iamlindoro:

leading me to believe that while it *can* be made to work for broadcast ATSC/QAM up to 1080i, nobody in their right ming *should* do so

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SHADOW_V:

iamlindoro -5 points

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iamlindoro:

s/ming/mind/

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wagnerrp:

so are you going to have to go around in a couple months and upgrade everything?

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V, iamlindoro + $$$

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SHADOW_V:

alright that makes it better i gues

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Yeah, that would be more $ :)

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SHADOW_V:

push out small updates to myth

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SHADOW_V:

:)

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wagnerrp:

yeah... might be able to do it remotely

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Mozz:

any Terratec Cinergy C owners here?

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wagnerrp:

all signs point to no

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iamlindoro:

There could be dozens here, but since nobody responds to "Does anyone own $HARDWARE?" we'll never know

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iamlindoro:

and another question will go unanswered, even though it likely required no knowledge of that card whatsoever to answer

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wagnerrp:

well if theyre not responding, theyre likely not 'here', but rather one of some ~190 idlers

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iamlindoro:

or one of 190 people like me who intentionally don't respond to said questions, even if they happen to be staring at that item :)

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SHADOW_V:

http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/TerraTec_Cinergy_C_DVB-C

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SHADOW_V:

and all i did was google it

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SHADOW_V:

pretty interesty

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SHADOW_V:

this thing people call google

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iamlindoro:

Bah! yet another screen committed that I have to theme

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SHADOW_V:

whose cracking the whip

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wagnerrp:

what is a 'cracking the whip'

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SHADOW_V:

i meant cracking the whip to make him do it

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iamlindoro:

I am, I was just starting to get in sight of all current MythUI screens themed

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SHADOW_V:

ah ok

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iamlindoro:

Did most of the recording scheduling stuff over the past few days

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jams:

iamlindoro- i'm just glad your committed to theming most of the screens. 98% of the themes out there don't do it.

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jams:

And yes some of theme can be a REAL pain

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iamlindoro:

jams, In fairness, I won't be touching MythArchive, MythFlix, or MythZM :)

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iamlindoro:

ever.

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Mozz:

SHADOW_V: yeah, i have read it. My problem is that i can't get remote control working

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jams:

bah you can do mythflix. It should be almost a direct copy of mythnews

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iamlindoro:

jams, but no way to test it

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jams:

i see

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jams:

mytharchive is tricky, just don't try to move any anything around and it works =)

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iamlindoro:

I don't ever use mytharchive

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iamlindoro:

and I'm not sure it's even converted yet

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jams:

it isn't

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Mozz:

nice, some progression. Now /dev/lirc0 and irw react to pushing remotes buttons

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skd5aner:

Hello – how is everyone?

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skd5aner:

I'm having a problem trying to bring my backend up after a parition failure, was hoping someone might be able to help – myth can't connect to MySQL, although I can connect without problems via the console via the mysql command

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wagnerrp:

sounds like youre missing your config.xml

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skd5aner:

that's what I thought... so, I copied it from my frontend...

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skd5aner:

still caused the issue

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skd5aner:

actually – let me try something real quick...

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skd5aner:

well – so, now mythbackend will start without any problems once I've removed config.xml and mysql.txt

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skd5aner:

that makes no sense to me...

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skd5aner:

well – I found that I needed to change my "dbhostname" to "localhost"

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skd5aner:

go figure

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skd5aner:

for some reason on the backend I can't keep the hostname in there. 2 hours, simple fix

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skd5aner:

anyway – have a good night everyone

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austin:

nice looks like hbo/cinnemax are in clearQAM for awhile

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iamlindoro:

There, themed, a pox on it

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sphery:

re: comment on #3405 on -dev list "Yep, me [been using the patch for ALSA input for analog capture] too. And for the sceptics, it's not there just to accommodate ancient framegrabbers. My dvb cards love it too." — Yeah, the framegrabber on your DVB card that uses ancient technology.

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sphery:

austin: is it a "free movies weekend" kind of thing?

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jams:

yes it is

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austin:

yeah

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austin:

too bad i caught it at the end of the weekend

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SHADOW_V:

austin, comcast?

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austin:

yeah

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SHADOW_V:

what region

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SHADOW_V:

and of course when i have my box down

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SHADOW_V:

i dont even have hbo though

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austin:

found this... http://www.freepreview.tv/hbo/reminder-hbo-ci . . . oviders.html

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sphery:

closest I get to free movies weekend is "this", which plays tons of movies (mainly old and classics--but they often do the originals just before the modern remake is released :)

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jams:

there all my universal remotes are updated & synced, nowthe orig can be boxed.

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jams:

And the harmony one can be placed on ebay.

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austin:

SHADOW_V: you don't need hbo, they just open it on clearQAM and then it is available via cable box or from qam tuner

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SHADOW_V:

sweet let me go check

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wagnerrp:

free skinimax?

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austin:

indeed 579000000 in my area(comcast)

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wagnerrp:

its actually named on QAM?

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austin:

no, happened to be doing a scan through all the qam's and doing caps and saw a screenshot of the dark knight

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austin:

*wait a minute.....*

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wagnerrp:

presuming HBO is going to be in HD, at fairly high bitrate and on with maybe 1–2 other channels

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wagnerrp:

ive got a singular channel on 103... that doesnt seem right

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austin:

63:579000000:QAM_256:2048:2049:3

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austin:

64:579000000:QAM_256:2112:2113:1

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austin:

65:579000000:QAM_256:1984:1985:2 in this case HBO was 64 of this frequency and cinnemax is 65

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austin:

the other one is still encrypted so i presume that may be showtime

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wagnerrp:

well this is interesting

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wagnerrp:

hdhomerun_config scanned down to channel 7, and then started bumping around to various channels before coming back to 6 and finishing out

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iamlindoro:

Heh, MS MCE had any ATSC channel that changed frequencies go dark, and is still dark, and you can't scan for channels in MCE

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** iamlindoro suppresses a smug chortle **

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iamlindoro:

have to wait for MS to issue a fix

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iamlindoro:

or manually add the channel by finding and entering the frequency, yum

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Ponty:

<- Sucker for punishment. I received a ATI TV Wonder VE card for nadda. Saw some `minor` things I have to do to get MythTV working, and REGARDLESS if its a dual framegrabber, its a free card. :P

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** iamlindoro sighs, shakes his head **

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Ponty:

LOL!

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iamlindoro:

So we're five framegrabbers in so far, odds on when he'll buy a real card anyone?

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Ponty:

I'm still gonna look for a 150. But reluctant to lose coing because of Rogers dropping Analog.

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Ponty:

Not 5. 4. 2 I had BEFORE I got the myth box going. :P

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SHADOW_V:

i say no framegrabbers ever

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SHADOW_V:

they are horrid

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SHADOW_V:

quality sucks

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SHADOW_V:

and use cpu power

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Ponty:

They should be outlawed.

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Ponty:

Primarily because ANY capture card would tend to keep me awake till 2am, so I should at least get quality out of it. {smirk}

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SHADOW_V:

hmmm

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SHADOW_V:

sounds like a personal problem

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SHADOW_V:

heh

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Ponty:

heh

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Ponty:

It is a personal problem. Called finances. Where do I want to put my money? Into a decent capture card, or food on the table?

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SHADOW_V:

1/2 each

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SHADOW_V:

i am sure people could cut alittle weight

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SHADOW_V:

and with better quality recorded tv they wouldnt realize

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SHADOW_V:

see case closed

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Ponty:

{chuckle} Well, so far this week it seems I do have some extra coin. `IF` I have some left over at the end of the month, I'll buy a 150. :P

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SHADOW_V:

also its early to tell but i think comcast may not through the book at me for downloading too much

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Ponty:

And if its as good as you say it is, then, well, I'll have to hunt two.

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SHADOW_V:

i didnt have anything to say about the 150

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SHADOW_V:

i have 2 hvr -1600's a hvr -1800 and a pinnacle hdtv something or other

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SHADOW_V:

but mpeg encoders are better and you do see a difference

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Ponty:

I was looking at the 1600. Just the three digit price tag (To the left of the decimal point) kind has me weary. ESPECIALLY if Rogers drops analog, and thats the WHOLE reason why I'm not going that route yet.

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SHADOW_V:

well theres the thing though

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SHADOW_V:

if rodgers may drop analog why wouldnt you want a dual card

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SHADOW_V:

like the 1600

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SHADOW_V:

than you could record either analog from the line or analog over composite and qam or atsc

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Ponty:

Thats the other part I'm uneducated on. If they do drop Analog, and I do gotta go to Digital, will the card tune to the different channels I want to record?

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SHADOW_V:

Ponty, well there are afew things to consider

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iamlindoro:

so long as those channels are unencrypted

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SHADOW_V:

such as if rodgers broadcasts a good amount of unencrypted channels

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iamlindoro:

or if you decided to get a set top box and capture the analog output of that

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SHADOW_V:

fcc mandates local channels to be unencrypted

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SHADOW_V:

thats it

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SHADOW_V:

right

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iamlindoro:

he's in canada, they don't even have that mandate

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SHADOW_V:

oh ok

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snarkster:

hi does anyone know if mythbuntu has the netflix module? Or is that still around?

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SHADOW_V:

so he might not have anything over qam?

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iamlindoro:

yes, it is still around, and yes, it is available in mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

SHADOW_V, in theory, yes, he could get nothing

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Ponty:

I *SUPPOSE* that if I do get screwed with Rogers, then it'd be a pretty easy case of trying to sell the card in here, eh? ;)

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snarkster:

awesome! have you ever used it? is it considered one of the watch on tv now devices?

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iamlindoro:

snarkster, MythFlix is only for queue management, there is no video component to it

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snarkster:

oh thats a shame

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SHADOW_V:

akaik linux cant watch netflix natively right

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Ponty:

MythTV's netflix != Public Netflix.

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snarkster:

well i treid to watch a movie with firefox on kubuntu and it said my os isnt suopported. they must have some sort of way to id

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Dagmar:

How in the hell is that our problem

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Ponty:

snarkster> The Netflix service (Order CDs/Stream video online) you're talking about has NOTHING to do with the MythTV product.

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clever:

snarkster: firefox tells the website your exact browser and os version in the user-agent field

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snarkster:

yah i know.. sorry off topic

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iamlindoro:

Ponty, uh, yes it does

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iamlindoro:

MythFlix is a tool for managing your queue for Netflix

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Ponty:

I know I read that the two aren't the same ordeal. I'm sure of it.

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SHADOW_V:

hey clever do you have any clear qam

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SHADOW_V:

or do you even have a qam tuner

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iamlindoro:

Ponty, You are wrong

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clever:

SHADOW_V: no idea, dont have any digital tuners

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Ponty:

Ok, I'm wrong. Again.

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clever:

bbl

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iamlindoro:

jams, There, themed MythFlix just to make you happy ;)

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iamlindoro:

It *probably* works fine

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jams:

i'm sure it does

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iamlindoro:

I'm still not theming MythZM or Archive though ;)

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jams:

can't blame you

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iamlindoro:

Maybe if I get really drunk I'll do MythArchive ;)

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jams:

i wouldn't bother with it, as you can't do much with it besides change backgrounds

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jams:

and change the buttons

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iamlindoro:

jams, So I did a four-system Myth install this weekend, your Settings plugin would *really* have come in handy

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jams:

hehehe it's sitting there waiting for a commit

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jams:

I used it today to sync up all my machines and remotes =)

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** iamlindoro grumbles **

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iamlindoro:

So, only things left on my local copy of Graphite are MythMusic, the program guide, MythWeather, and the DVD Rip dialog

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iamlindoro:

everything else is done

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iamlindoro:

oh, and figuring out how to redo the menu

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jams:

oh mythweather...it's as painful to theme as it is to use. That one by far is the one I hated the most.

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iamlindoro:

I don't plan on giving it a lot of love

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Ponty:

Is it possible to get Mythweather working for Canada?

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jams:

Ponty I beleive so.

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jams:

the wiki says there are sources for Canada

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Ponty:

I must be missing something.... It can't find anything for my postal code... Still working at it.

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SHADOW_V:

whats the settings plugin

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iamlindoro:

A plugin for backing up and cloning frontend settings from box to box, saved to the DB so you can save/fetch/clone them from anywhere

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SHADOW_V:

ah nice

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Ponty:

Sounds very nice.

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SHADOW_V:

according to my shuttle manual i can not put a elephant ontop of it

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wagnerrp:

they tell you that?

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Ponty:

What about a rhino?

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wagnerrp:

there are some interesting warnings that come with the Wii

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SHADOW_V:

well it says do not place this device underneath heavy loads or in an unstable position

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SHADOW_V:

the picture representation is an elephant ontop of it

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Ponty:

Got weather to work. Entering bad info it seems. A very apparent theme with me. :/

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iamlindoro:

http://www.fecitfacta.com/ripdvd.png

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iamlindoro:

Yet another screen I don't use out of the way

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SHADOW_V:

wohoo

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jams:

at least that screen doesn't eject the tray every time you enter/leave it like the cd import screen does

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wagnerrp:

so do the theora guys have some sort of inferiority complex?

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wagnerrp:

they keep coming out with claims that they are just as good or better using comparisons that are almost fraudulent

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wagnerrp:

they came out with a comparison yesterday in response to youtube using for h264 for their html5 video demo

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wagnerrp:

they have a 500kbps sample of h264 and theora on the same frame, and h264 looks a bit better

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wagnerrp:

then they have a 325kbps sample of h263 and theora on the same frame as before, and theora looks vastly better

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wagnerrp:

so obviously theora is the better codec when you want to use low bitrate

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iamlindoro:

Nice part about MythUI letting you change label/button names is that you can make them comprehensible to human beings

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iamlindoro:

Like the box marked "Select" in MythDVD

[03:21:15]

iamlindoro:

or the box marked "AC3"

[03:24:56]

Ponty:

Welp, I just had a video cramp, and ifconfig is showing no dropped packets.

[03:25:19]

Ponty:

mythbackend and mythcommflag are beating the CPU though.

[03:26:07]

wagnerrp:

what are they doing comparing theora to h263 when google wants to move to h264

[03:29:14]

Ponty:

2nd drop. *shakes his head and sighs*

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SHADOW_V:

for the fun of it

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Zaqq:

Hi. is EPG for MythTV available for India?

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq, I don't believe so, but you could coordinate with the XMLTV people to write one, a billion or so people would surely appreciate it :)

[03:45:58]

iamlindoro:

Whoever thought having all this yellow text in old Myth Themes was a good idea should really be seen by a doctor

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jblack:

Man, I am so frigging pissed off about this mcse2 remote. 30 bucks, and it only works once every 50 boots.

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tank-man:

hyperbole much :)

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jblack:

Yeah, there's something like 1.16 billion people in india. I somehow doubt almost all of the mhave myth/xmltv

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wagnerrp:

jblack: what lirc version?

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jblack:

I'm working with 0.8.4a now. The most recent that worked at all was 0.8.3

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wagnerrp:

ah, was going to say my mceusb2 didnt work properly UNTIL 0.8.4

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jblack:

mceusb2, I meant. Ironically, 0.8.3 was the last time it worked at all (that was every x boots, things were fine)

[04:02:35]

jblack:

but I'm not sure that I'm using the lirc modules that I think I am

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Ponty:

Nice. I just had a battery blow up in the charger.

[04:04:35]

Ponty:

Crap all over the charger.

[04:04:40]

Ponty:

*takes pics*

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jblack:

Careful with that

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wagnerrp:

so it didnt blow up... just oozed

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iamlindoro:

You'll need to taste test it to be sure it came from the battery

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iamlindoro:

I promise to sign your get well soon card

[04:05:54]

wagnerrp:

mmm... salty

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jblack:

MOTHER FU... uh.. I mean... ahhh... heh

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Ponty:

heh. Well, there was a loud snap. Similar to the sound of a single electrical arc.

[04:08:05]

Ponty:

Didn't see any smoke or anything, but I'm glad I was downstairs when it went off.

[04:08:23]

Ponty:

As for removal, yes... Rubber glove time. heh

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SHADOW_V:

oh cmon be a man

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jblack:

So, it appears that dkms is broken for 2.6.30. At least two ways. One of them is that it doesn't bother to log how it's broken.

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jblack:

would anybody cre to recommend a usb remote that just works?

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jams:

streamzap remote and reciever work really well

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jams:

plug and go for the most part

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jblack:

That's what I need. Just plug and go. Before I unquit smoking

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jams:

with the streamzap there is one model, unlike the mce.

[04:11:55]

** jams have 5 of them **

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jblack:

Out another $40. :(

[04:12:24]

jams:

it's a reciever only, no blaster

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Ponty:

Well, you may be out $40, but how many packs of smokes woult that cost ya, and STILL not have your system working the way you want?

[04:12:30]

jblack:

I like the one I have, when it actually works.

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jblack:

ponty: Exactly my thinking.

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jblack:

Money may not buy happines,s but it can help cut back on the stress

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Ponty:

Happiness is a matter of relativity. I don't think thats an accurate example when applied to an extreme. It may not buy pure happiness, but is certainly does buy some.

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jblack:

I'm decidedly unhappy with no remote. I'm about ready to plug the tivo back in.

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jblack:

Wow. For once, thinkgeek is actually cheaper on something?

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Ponty:

I have NEVER seen my BE work as pathetically as it is currently. :/

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Ponty:

hmm.. maybe PART of the problem is that I'm currently recording the show thats screwing me up. heh

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SHADOW_V:

Ponty, upgrade

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SHADOW_V:

core i7 975 should fix your problems

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iamlindoro:

He's on his 4th framegrabber, what do you think the odds are he'll buy an i7?

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Ponty:

I get to build a whole system versus plug in a single card?

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SHADOW_V:

iamlindoro, i dont know maybe he will eventually realise shotty frame grabbers on older tech turns into a pitfall of wasted time

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Ponty:

What I might do is get my wifes machine (My old gamers box) which is a 3ghz 800mhz FSB Intel P4 chip and see if the card will work.

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Ponty:

I know, I know.. the 150 would bring down the CPU load immensely. :P

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wagnerrp:

what system are you currently running?

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Ponty:

P4 3ghz 533fsb w/ HT.

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wagnerrp:

plenty for a framegrabber

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wagnerrp:

if you cant get it working on one 3GHz P4, you wont do it on another

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SHADOW_V:

how much ram

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wagnerrp:

guess thats a cue to give up... :P

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Ponty:

Well, its not the fact that I'm losing frames. its just anything external to the machine seems to barf randomly.

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Ponty:

SHADOW_V> A gig I think.

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Ponty:

Correction, 2gig.

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SHADOW_V:

hmm

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SHADOW_V:

that box shouldnt be having those problems

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SHADOW_V:

i would mem test it and check logs

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SHADOW_V:

was that a stable system before

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Ponty:

Yeah, it was. I bought it new, aside from the memory.

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SHADOW_V:

buying something new does not mean its stable

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Ponty:

Well, its lasted 5+ years.

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Ponty:

And its always been rock solid. 2K up to XP, and now Myth.

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SHADOW_V:

again if you never taxed the system problems wouldnt of arisen

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SHADOW_V:

prime 95?

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SHADOW_V:

any of that stuff

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wagnerrp:

we have memory randomly go bad after a couple years at work

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wagnerrp:

no instability, no warning

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SHADOW_V:

try memtest

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SHADOW_V:

yeah i had a pair of 1 gig sticks that where fine

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Ponty:

wagnerrp> I'd be seeing a lot more issues with bad memory than just random external disconnects. The machine does stay up, framegrabs everything I ask of it. Its just when I start to stream, it craps.

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SHADOW_V:

i moved the machine

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SHADOW_V:

now one stick is bad

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wagnerrp:

except suddenly your simulation run goes bad, forcing you to delete two weeks of runtime on half the cluster

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wagnerrp:

nothing like canning 100k CPU hours

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Ponty:

I did that with my current machine. Working great. Finished a game of Need for Speed, then brought it to work. memory fried en route. Didn't take the machine apart, or anything prior to it died. Scared me pretty badly. heh

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SHADOW_V:

nie

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SHADOW_V:

nice

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Ponty:

It was less than 3 months old as well, IIRC. Oh well. Upgrade in memory. :]

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troldrik:

Why is mythvideo deinterlacing my progressive .avis?

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Ponty:

Got some dishes to do, then bed time. Gotta be on the road at 7:30, and its now 1:30.

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Ponty:

L8r gents.

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wagnerrp:

night

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SHADOW_V:

Ponty, you know its more efficient to let the dishwaasher was the dishes

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SHADOW_V:

and it comes outs cheaper

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KaZeR:

hi

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jamey:

Hello, lets say i have two monitors on one computer both running mythtv and i have two remotes Ir, I want one remote to control one monitor and the other to control the other one. I already test both remotes with (irw /dev/lircd and irw /dev/lircd1) and that works. However getting the second ir to work independtly is the problem

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phantom:

anyone able to assist with setting up a DTV 2000 H card for mythtv ?

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F-GT:

anyone able to help with setting up a DTV 2000 H card with mythtv

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F-GT:

noone here can help with a DTV 2000H ?

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JohnQ:

Anyone know offhand if the knoppmyth project is still alive? The web pages look rather stale.

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stuarta:

NFI

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JohnQ:

Maybe I should just abandon knoppmyth on this machine and start from a vanilla debian

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stuarta:

that works for me

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Dibblah:

"my DVB card works great with this ALSA patch".

[09:58:41]

Dibblah:

Argh.

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GreyFoxx:

My couch is also working as expected with this ALSA patch

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** stuarta patches pet hampster **

[10:02:02]

Dibblah:

You know what TMI is?

[10:02:09]

Dibblah:

Well, that's WAAAAY TMI.

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** hashbang grrs and Radio Times and EIT disagreeing about how Bremner, Bird & Fortune is titled/subtitled **

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hashbang:

now bodged with a custom recording schedule...

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hashbang:

as this is not the first time I've missed broadcasts...

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stuarta:

hashbang: more annoying is the EIT monkeys not being consistent with how they title the formula 1

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JohnQ:

any idea what protocal version is used in svn and in 0.21?

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Dibblah:

JohnQ: You can't mix them.

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JohnQ:

I know that.

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Dibblah:

Same version on FE and BE is the only supported configuration, really.

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Dibblah:

For varying values of supported.

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JohnQ:

... I know that as well.

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JohnQ:

That is exactly why I am asking the question.

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Dibblah:

Same SVN version.

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Dibblah:

So the same binaries for frontend and backend.

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JohnQ:

sigh. Nevermnd

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Dibblah:

What's the problem you're trying to solve here?

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JohnQ:

No problem. I just wanted to know the protocol versions used in 0.21 and head as of today. I'll just go find out on my own.

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Dibblah:

mythbackend --version |grep "Network Protocol"

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JohnQ:

I know what version *I* am running.

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GreyFoxx:

head uses protocol ver 45

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stuarta:

we don't change protocols in the stable series

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stuarta:

so that's unchanged

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JohnQ:

45. thanks.

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stuarta:

40 in 0.21

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JohnQ:

perfect. thats exactly what I needed. Gracias

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JohnQ:

How easy is it to downgrade your db to a previous version?

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Dibblah:

Restore from the backup.

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stuarta:

or start over

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Dibblah:

Generally, not very. And that's not dependent on the protocol version.

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Dibblah:

It's the schema versions in the database.

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JohnQ:

I know this as well.

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Dibblah:

If you know, why ask?

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Dibblah:

Again, what are you trying to do?

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Dibblah:

I am actually trying to help here.

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JohnQ:

I didn't ask if the protocol versions were related to the schema versions...

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Dibblah:

No. You asked about DB downgrading.

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JohnQ:

Help with what? I don't really have a problem that needs helping.

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stuarta:

just asking random questions?

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JohnQ:

Not random... just unrelated

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anodesni:

My media library (for browsing non recorded video files) does not show thumbnails, how do I enable that?

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laga:

what the.. anyone remember shiva kumar, the guy on -dev? i just got spam from him

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laga:

probably some botnet

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Dibblah:

Oh goodness, no.

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Dibblah:

You mean the commercial detection / stripping programs guy?

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laga:

yep

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Dibblah:

Shame that "spammer – kill" emails don't work any more :(

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laga:

what's that?

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JohnQ:

Heres a problem: Given a set-up-and-running myth machine (FE+BE), I want to set up a second FE which uses the same binaries, libs, etc... which directories/files/etc need to be copied?

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laga:

use your package manager

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JohnQ:

hmm. Im not sure I uded the package manager when I installed it originally.

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** JohnQ goes off to check **

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JohnQ:

yeah, no packages, sadly

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laga:

if you didn't use a package manager, use the same source tree to rebuild it on the other box i'd suggest

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JohnQ:

Sadly, I removed it shortly after building

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laga:

then recreate it?

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JohnQ:

It was trunk at some-time-ago. Im not sure I could even identify what date that was.

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laga:

if you can't deal with this stuff, you shouldn't be running trunk

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laga:

use mythfrontend --version to find out the revision

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JohnQ:

If I could downgrade, I would

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sphery:

z/sb c

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sphery:

oops

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Dibblah:

JohnQ: What does mythbackend --version report?

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Dibblah:

Does it not have an SVN version number embedded?

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Dibblah:

svn up -v <x>

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Dibblah:

Will get you a matching version.

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JohnQ:

20293 might be the svn version number

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Dibblah:

Right – So pull that, build it – Job done :)

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JohnQ:

Good idea,

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Dibblah:

I sense a but incoming :(

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JohnQ:

Nope :-)

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JohnQ:

If I am going to recompile, I'm wondering if it is worth upgrading to head for both machines.

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Dibblah:

I would not recommend it at this time.

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JohnQ:

Probably is..

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Dibblah:

Head has some major issues that are not resolved.

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JohnQ:

I might already have them :-(

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Dibblah:

Specifically, lack of themes, live TV issues (which may have been resolved), crashiness (which doesn't affect everyone)

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Dibblah:

etc.

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JohnQ:

Fair enough. I'll stick with the mess I have now and avoid the new mess :-)

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stuarta:

Dibblah: gnome sorted out the main livetv issues the other day

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Dibblah:

Excellent news.

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Dibblah:

It's still minimally tested, though.

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stuarta:

lack of themes my arse, the stock ones all function (*)

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stuarta:

(*) until i see evidence to the contrary

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Dibblah:

Okay, my apologies :)

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Dibblah:

Oh, right – It was the Tivo ripoff one that was busted.

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Dibblah:

MePoo, or something.

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JohnQ:

that one was cure.

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JohnQ:

cute

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JohnQ:

shame its dead

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JohnQ:

anyone have a feel for how far they are from releasing 22?

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Dibblah:

Ages away.

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** JohnQ figures **

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Dibblah:

3+ months, as a hopeful non-dev estimate.

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stuarta:

last estimate + (1month * count(is it ready yet?))

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JohnQ:

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