Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Sunday, June 14th, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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mattwj2002:

anyone watch the beacon programs on analog US tv?

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iamlindoro:

Seems like there are more interesting programs to watch ;)

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Guest45756:

Anybody else getting sandbox violations while emerging media-tv/mythtv-0.21_p19961-r2?

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mattwj2002:

:P

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lyricnz:

Waaaah.

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** lyricnz starts to dig into the code :( **

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wagnerrp:

beacon programs?

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pizzledizzle:

hm, i cant get my ir blaster to work. i got this HP MCE receiver, remote, and ir blaster that plugs into the HP receiver. the remote works great. when i try to use irsend, it keeps saying "hardware does not support sending." anyone have any suggestions

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wagnerrp:

Guest45756: youll probably have to go to gentoo for that one

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mattwj2002:

yeah it is an analog tv station program after the digital switch telling people how to get over the air digital tv

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Guest45756:

Yeah, there is a bug report http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=272847

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j-rod:

pizzledizzle: what's the lsusb output for your receiver?

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pizzledizzle:

Bus 001 Device 003: ID 045e:006d Microsoft Corp. eHome Remote Control Keyboard keys

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j-rod:

and I'm guessing the driver for it is lirc_mceusb ?

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j-rod:

(opposed to lirc_mceusb2)

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pizzledizzle:

yes

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j-rod:

yeah, you're currently SOL for blasting

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j-rod:

the mceusb driver doesn't support it

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j-rod:

only the 2

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mattwj2002:

it is also called night lighting

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mattwj2002:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTV_transition_i . . . ightlighting

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pizzledizzle:

j-rod, is there a work around or something?

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j-rod:

nope

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j-rod:

you need to wait for someone to finally port support for it into the mceusb2 driver

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j-rod:

at which point, it *should* inherit functional blasting support

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j-rod:

its been on my TODO list for a while, and I've started on it, but never finished...

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j-rod:

I've got one of the HP receivers myself

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pizzledizzle:

dangg

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j-rod:

hey, it only took me ~6mo to get around to this imon work I committed yesterday, so there's hope... :)

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j-rod:

xris: apparently, mythweb on F11 goes bang — see rpmfusion bz#652

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wagnerrp:

what about it goes bang? seems to be working fine for me

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wagnerrp:

i dont see how 'fullscreen' could break a website

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** wagnerrp is an idoit **

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j-rod:

wagnerrp: version?

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wagnerrp:

the operating system F11, not the button F11

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wagnerrp:

those people need a more meaningful name

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j-rod:

it works for me, but I'm running svn trunk

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j-rod:

oh, hahaha

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wagnerrp:

j-rod: i opened firefox, and hit 'f11' to full screen it

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lyricnz:

Should the start/end times in {program} be in UTC or localtime? (or does mysql have TZ information in the datetime field?)

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lyricnz:

j-rod: what kind of bang? I'm running mythweb on Fedora 11, and am attempting to diagnose a listings/timezone issue

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** lyricnz looks for the bz **

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lyricnz:

Ahh, I'm running totally different versions.... updates-testing r20668

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j-rod:

https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=652

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lyricnz:

Yup, found it.

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lyricnz:

You're running head on Fedora 11?

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j-rod:

yeah, it works just fine for me too, but I'm also svn trunk

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j-rod:

yup

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lyricnz:

What timezone are you in? Can you check something for me?

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j-rod:

East Coast of the US

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lyricnz:

Unless you're in UTC – then you're no help at all :)

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lyricnz:

Can you look in {program} and tell me if they're in local TZ, or in UTC?

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j-rod:

I think they're in local TZ

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j-rod:

but w/everything in reruns for summer now, I'm not certain...

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lyricnz:

Look for the 6pm news or something like that?

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j-rod:

yeah, they're in local TZ

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lyricnz:

Hmm, my listings (in frontend and mythweb) are out by 14 hours : yet in the xmltv input file, and the DB, they're perfect (assuming localtime).

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lyricnz:

I get same results whether mythtv is set to TZ None, Auto or my local TZ

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j-rod:

wacky

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lyricnz:

Yet mythweb in particular (which I can diagnose better) is using from_unixtime() to build the comparison

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lyricnz:

That takes a timestamp (in localtime) and converts it to a UTC yyydddmm etc suitbale for comparison

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j-rod:

system clock isn't off kilter or /etc/localtime fubar'd?

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lyricnz:

That's my first guess – but 'date' returns the right zone and time, and system-config-date is correctly set to my local time, and ntpd is keeping it right

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j-rod:

ya got me then. :\

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lyricnz:

phpinfo() shows correct tz (ish) too

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BitPlacebo:

Hello, I have a quick q. I am new to mythtv and want to test it. I've installed it in my Ubuntu box. I have Cox cable. If I plug in the cable from the wall into my video capture card will it work or does it need to run through the cable box first? I just want to test the set up with basic channels? Thanks.

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j-rod:

BitPlacebo: analog cap card or digital cap card?

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j-rod:

either *should* work for basic channels

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BitPlacebo:

mmm not sure, but I think it is digital. Norwood s800

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BitPlacebo:

a cheap card my friend gave me

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j-rod:

though some providers are dumping analog, and some are dicks and don't send unencrypted QAM for the OTA digital channels

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wagnerrp:

they MUST provide clearQAM of the OTA channels

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j-rod:

yes, I know, but even still, some don't.

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wagnerrp:

well then they need a call from the FCC

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j-rod:

one of the providers in the Boston area doesn't

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j-rod:

they've been called

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j-rod:

dunno what ever came of it

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BitPlacebo:

so basically, I should just try it out and see

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j-rod:

BitPlacebo: looks like an analog card. if cox has analog channels still, should work

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BitPlacebo:

ok

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BitPlacebo:

thanks

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j-rod:

its apparently a cx88-based analog card

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j-rod:

you could try something lighter, like tvtime first

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j-rod:

if that works, mythtv can be made to work with it as well

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BitPlacebo:

great, i will try it out. Going to buy some coax and a splitter right now

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BitPlacebo:

thanks

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Ponty:

Time Warp... Awesome. Its a 98 priority. heh. 99 is anything from Angelina Jolie. .. ahem

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lyricnz:

j-rod: actually, I go check on the frontend, it's fine (I believed my kid, bad idea). does your mythweb show correct times?

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lyricnz:

Interestingly, the problem file hasn't changed in 16 months... http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . programs.php

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SHADOW_V:

http://cgi.ebay.com/APPLE-15-MACBOOK-PRO-2-4- . . . 3A1|294%3A50

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SHADOW_V:

inner linning of gold

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SHADOW_V:

its 11k

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lyricnz:

hahah

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lyricnz:

and $350 in shipping

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lyricnz:

and it's lid doesn't shut properly, and full of presumably illegal copies of software

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lyricnz:

Plus, the new 15" mbp look cool – 8 hours of battery life

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SHADOW_V:

well 8 hours of web browsing with no flash

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lyricnz:

yeah – we obviously read the same theads :)

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SHADOW_V:

yup

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lyricnz:

noscript++ :)

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lyricnz:

but I wish firefox didn't suck so bad on mac

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SHADOW_V:

they have intel builds for it that should help

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lyricnz:

well, not "sucks". But... it's a bit of a resource hog

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SHADOW_V:

i am trying to get my first mac

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Ponty:

Welcome to the world of Windows.

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SHADOW_V:

Ponty, he said firefox was a resource hog not the os

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** lyricnz was linux desktop/laptop for 5+ years, finally switched to mac about 18 months ago, loving it. **

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Ponty:

Which is nothing new in the Windows world for any app.

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lyricnz:

What has firefox got to do with windows?

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SHADOW_V:

lyricnz, the issue with linux on a laptop is there goes batt life and sleep/resume

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SHADOW_V:

although if you like to leave things upto chance that might be right for you

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SHADOW_V:

what are the odds it resumes succesfully today!

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lyricnz:

on linux, nothing is (was?) easy: video drivers, sound, bluetooth, wireless, power management, suspend, etc

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Ponty:

Its becoming an application thats becoming bloated with `features`.

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lyricnz:

You could usually get it working, but always such a fscking hassle

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lyricnz:

I gave up

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lyricnz:

Modern distros are obviously getting better all the time

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SHADOW_V:

lyricnz, eh i dont know i love linux but havent gotten sleep to play nice

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lyricnz:

Mac is just soooo much easier, and now that it's a real operating system underneath, it's perfect for me

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lyricnz:

awk/sed/perl, compilers etc.

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lyricnz:

I spent about half my time in Terminal

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SHADOW_V:

nice

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SHADOW_V:

yeah i like terminal

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SHADOW_V:

i do alittle bash scripting

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squish102:

anyone able to watch your videos on mythtv on your wii?

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lyricnz:

haha, probably not fast enough

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lyricnz:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/238131

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squish102:

i was hoping i could use a wii as some kind of media center front end... maybe aupnp a/v client

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lyricnz:

http://www.hacksawlabs.com/index.php?option=c . . . mp;Itemid=53

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SHADOW_V:

squish102, gl with that i am sure you would have to trancode it down alot

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lyricnz:

transcode to flv according to that last link :)

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squish102:

ok i may just give up before i start

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SHADOW_V:

heh

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lyricnz:

squish102: did you read second link/

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squish102:

lyricnz i'm still on the first one

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lyricnz:

second is better

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lyricnz:

success!

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squish102:

lyricnz looks like it works

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squish102:

but not gonna work too well for a 6 year old to play back his dvd's :(

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squish102:

i was kinda hoping the wii had a upnp a/v client... looks like i'm all out of luck

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lyricnz:

I really dig my popcorn hour A110

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Ponty:

*perks* Popcorn. Dude, you're a genious.

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squish102:

i would too, if i had one ;/

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lyricnz:

Especially since I set up a directory with pretty nested symlinks to recordings, rather than stupid native names

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lyricnz:

and exposed that from the myth backend as a smb share

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SHADOW_V:

popcorn hour does seem cool

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lyricnz:

I never got upnp working properly with myth, maybe the native recordings aren't quite perfect or something

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** lyricnz has recordings since early 2006, wife still says "I'm going to watch that!" **

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squish102:

lyricnz had similar problems with mythtv's implmentation of upnp... i used ushare

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Chicago:

Isn't UPNP pretty ugly as far as keeping your firewall/router under control?

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lyricnz:

It's all LAN for me, so I don't care too much.

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Ponty:

Chicago> Which is why I disabled UPNP on ALL of my customers machines.

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squish102:

me too

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Chicago:

Ponty, which is why I disable UPNP on ALL of my Linksys equipment.

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squish102:

now if only orb would release a linux version

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JYA:

only issue with upnp is that there's no much security on the private side of the LAN, so any applications can open your router wide open.

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** lyricnz doesn't enable it on his router/modem, so it should be lan only, hopefully **

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lyricnz:

The only thing that wanted it was torrent thing, but I just manually configured it.

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JYA:

damn useful however... fool-proof

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Chicago:

fwbuilder is a nice frontend for iptables

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** lyricnz doesn't have a linux box firewall anymore, my modem does enough for me **

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lyricnz:

I change old firewall into another mythfrontend :)

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Chicago:

then you're old firewall was a powerful beast.

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lyricnz:

Only SD, and it had a nvidia card, so good enough

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lyricnz:

Kids playroom has old CRT, and firewall was some AMD 1.6GHz thing

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pizzledizzle:

is it normal for schedule direct to stop recording some shows too early or start recording them too late?

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Ponty:

If your clock is off, yes.

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pizzledizzle:

i checked it and it's right

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pizzledizzle:

could the listning change? the --refresh-all command refreshes it for 2 weeks

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Ponty:

Then it might be that the time on the channel is `off`. I'm finding that with a couple of channels. Some record a few seconds before the actual showing and end early, other channels start late but give me the beginning of the next show.

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pizzledizzle:

yeah

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Ponty:

You can adjust on a per-channel basis. I just don't know how off the top of my head.

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pizzledizzle:

if therre are two that start one after the other and if on second show i ask it to record 5 minutes early, how will that work?

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pizzledizzle:

will it end the firt show 5 minutes early to give time for 2nd show?

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lyricnz:

pizzledizzle: channels are notoriously bad at sticking to their scheduled

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lyricnz:

Down here (Australia) I start on time, and record 15 minutes later. They're _that bad_

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lyricnz:

But I have lots of tuners, so the overlap isn't an issue

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Ponty:

My advice is to leave things as is. You'll run into conflicts, which could cause an entire show to not record.

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lyricnz:

iirc there's some soft-padding thing, which is sensitive to overlaps, but I never played with it much

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pizzledizzle:

i have a receiver from an old wireless keyboard. is it possible to configure it into a receiver for remotes for use with lirc?

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broseidon:

hi i am trying to get the windows port of mythtv compiled and i am getting the build error with a missing file qsqlmysql4.dll

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broseidon:

i found it in the possible errors and it says that the C:\MingW\include\mysql.h file is incorrect...how would i correct that file?

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Garbanzo3:

broseidon: are you using the win32-packager script?

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broseidon:

yes

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Garbanzo3:

then it should have patched mysql.h for you...

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Garbanzo3:

you need to find out why your QT build failed

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broseidon:

i saw the patch file

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broseidon:

i am running the qt4_env batch file again

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Garbanzo3:

fwiw, i had a problem building QT4 when I had MSYS in my path

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broseidon:

what is a way around that?

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Garbanzo3:

take MSYS out of your path and delete/rebuild QT

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Garbanzo3:

because MSYS in the path messes up the QT makefiles

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broseidon:

ok so how do i modify the path to skip msys?

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Garbanzo3:

Environment Variables in your System Properties

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Garbanzo3:

but it shouldn't be there unless you added it...

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broseidon:

it isnt

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Garbanzo3:

ok, then you're having a different problem then I had...

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wagnerrp:

well that pushing daisies sucked as a last episode

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wagnerrp:

it was an episode wanting of a third season

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wagnerrp:

or at least a second half

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** iamlindoro wonders if anyone actually uses all these recording scheduling screens **

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wagnerrp:

i guess they finished the season before finding out they were cancelled

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broseidon:

there is a QTJAVA

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Ponty:

<- Web uzr

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broseidon:

variable

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iamlindoro:

There are probably a dozen of them that could be done in a single screen

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Garbanzo3:

broseidon: best to just re-run qt4-env as you are doing and see where it bombs

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broseidon:

i have that result too

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broseidon:

i just ran that

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broseidon:

"mingw32-make : No rule to make target 'sub-plugins-make_default-ordered'. Stop"

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wagnerrp:

think anyone has numbers on percentages of shows that end gracefully, versus those cancelled on a cliffhanger?

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broseidon:

"sub-plugins-make_default-ordered"

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Garbanzo3:

broseidon: broken makefile? did the configure run properly?

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wagnerrp:

hahahahaha... demolition crew in georgia destroys the wrong house due to faulty GPS

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Ponty:

LMFAO! Awesome. hahaha

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broseidon:

wagnerrp:haha

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broseidon:

garbanzo3:i dont know at this point

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broseidon:

im removing the MSys folder and rerunning the script

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broseidon:

i guess i got a corrupted file somewhere

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rooter7:

Mythtv-fixes has been so crashy lately. It segfaults on every recording I start.

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rooter7:

I have to retry three and four times before I can get the video going.

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rooter7:

Is there some reason it's been doing this for the past month or so?

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rooter7:

Whelp, thanks for the help...

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iamlindoro:

Thanks for being an impatient piece of crap!

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SHADOW_V:

iamlindoro FTW

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Er1K:

I still have some cleanup/etc before I can do a writeup, but I (through a downright obscene setup) have the 'almost but not quite ivtv' analog mpeg encoder on my HVR-1800 working in myth.

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SHADOW_V:

when toth gets a chance he will write it in and will be updated

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Er1K:

We've been waiting on that for two years and it's been at a standstill for several months since the cx23885 analog drivers have been stable.

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iamlindoro:

That's not so

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SHADOW_V:

whoa whoa calm down there

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iamlindoro:

The driver dev found out about the bug that causes the issue a few weeks back, it's on his list to fix

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SHADOW_V:

one these guys are doing this out of their own will

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SHADOW_V:

also the hvr-1800 works in linux

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SHADOW_V:

theres just a bug in how mythtv talks to it

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iamlindoro:

Well, it's a bug in the driver

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SHADOW_V:

so relax there unless you are rolling up your sleaves dont get upset at a guy who codes the driver because he wants to help others

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SHADOW_V:

yeah

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SHADOW_V:

hmm web pages dont want to load dns shot?

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Er1K:

It has worked great in Linux for several months, and I look forward to having Myth support it properly, but for the first time ever...It's not a $100 paperweight.

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SHADOW_V:

Er1K, uh i have been using it for more than a year

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SHADOW_V:

just the analog sie of things havnt been the best

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wagnerrp:

its never been a $100 paperweight

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wagnerrp:

its only been about a ~$50 paperweight

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wagnerrp:

without the analog encoder, it basically turns into 1250

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SHADOW_V:

right

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Er1K:

Shadow: You have the analog mpeg encoder side working as it should?

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SHADOW_V:

uh in myth no

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SHADOW_V:

i have gotten it for the most park working

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SHADOW_V:

i could of gotten it working because you can change the channel using the framegrabber side

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SHADOW_V:

but i have had other issues

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iamlindoro:

Er1K, nobody is saying the analog side works properly in myth, just that it's a driver bug which the author only became aware of in the very recent past and has publicly stated he intends to fix, so the righteous indignation helps no one

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SHADOW_V:

but you can get it to channels and record in myth i just wasnt able to finish that

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iamlindoro:

So complaining in a way that makes it sound like it should have been fixed ages ago tends to get people's hackles up

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SHADOW_V:

iamlindoro, also i have been trying to keep to the weekly emails

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iamlindoro:

Especially when that driver author is easily one of the top five most prolific tuner driver authors in all of linux

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Er1K:

iamlindoro/shadow: I'm sorry if I came off with a tone of "righteous indignation", that was not my intent.

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Er1K:

and steve is truly one of my heroes....it wouldn't work at all in linux without him

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iamlindoro:

ok, sounds good, just a miscommunication then

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iamlindoro:

anyway, I would expect the fix to be in in the nearish future

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SHADOW_V:

yeah i am sure he is just extremely busy

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SHADOW_V1:

iamlindoro, what do you think of the palm pre

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iamlindoro:

I think that my money is tight enough that I don't need another 500+ dollar phone :)

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iamlindoro:

besides, I need a new bike

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iamlindoro:

ugh, and it's mid triathlon season :(

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SHADOW_V1:

what phone do you have and what bike are you looking at

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iamlindoro:

I have some ancient HTC POS

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wagnerrp:

should be looking at one with a motor

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SHADOW_V1:

how come no iphone

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SHADOW_V1:

also if you want to get everywhere fast get a turbobusa

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iamlindoro:

and I'll probably buy a Felt F3 or F4

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iamlindoro:

already have a motorcycle, that one if fine :)

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SHADOW_V1:

gebus thats alot of mola

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wagnerrp:

i keep meaning to bike more, but ive hardly done any in about 10 years

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iamlindoro:

I only really went from marathons->tri in the last year or two, so it will be my first really higher-end bike

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SHADOW_V1:

oh ok that makes more sense

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iamlindoro:

My current bike has just been ridden into the ground

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iamlindoro:

I have put 1300 miles on in since January

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SHADOW_V1:

nice

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SHADOW_V1:

atleast you have gotten use out of it

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SHADOW_V1:

was that a highend bike

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Er1K:

Exactly, which is why I'm not holding my breath. I'm sure it will be fixed, but with Charter choosing to encrypt >99% of the QAM content and living where there is almost zero OTA reception . . . . This 'thing' is finally going to be used for what it was purchased for.....tonight

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wagnerrp:

thats a lot of miles... i think mine has maybe 1800 total

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wagnerrp:

over about 16 years

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Er1K:

I miss motorcycles, but they scare the crap out of SWMBO. I didn't learn this until I told her I had a verbal agreement to purchase one bike and was pursuing a 2nd one.

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leprasmurf1:

hello all. is there a way to see captions on the mythtv player on a desktop pc?

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leprasmurf1:

....nvm...that option that I've never been able to find...just popped up in the most obvious place...

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leprasmurf1:

thanks anyway

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downandout:

hello all, i'm using mythtv with a iptv service in aus. works great. The one question i have is when doing scheduled recordings each channel has its own rtp. Mythtv complaints about conflicts between some shows. but i don't see why i can't record one on different channels it's not using dvb its using rtp: and each channel has it own ip. why can't i record more then one at a time?

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downandout:

that is ones that conflict in time slots

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JYA:

start mysql with mysql -u myth

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JYA:

mysql -u myth -p mythconverg

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JYA:

run the command:

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JYA:

> select * from videosource ;

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JYA:

what does it return?

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K|NgGh0sT:

I accidently hit D when browsing a photos in MythGallery any way to recover the image?

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xaxes:

hey there ;)

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xaxes:

cant find settings to disable the signal-info, which get displayed after each channel-change

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xaxes:

wheere? :D :)

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Defense|Twin:

Hi anyone knows if it is possible to downgrade from 0.22 to 0.21 in fedora?

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Defense|Twin:

(or does my database crash or something else nasty...)

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Defense|Twin:

?

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olejl:

Defense|Twin: As far as I know it is not possible to downgrade the database. You would then need to create a new database

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Defense|Twin:

olejl: hm :/

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Defense|Twin:

damn rpmfusion...

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Defense|Twin:

i think due to the progress from fedora-F11-beta to fedora-F11-stable the repos changed so that i lost the 0.22 packages...

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olejl:

you could install .22 from source, then you would be able to keep your database

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olejl:

compile and install

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Defense|Twin:

olejl: nah, but the bad thing is that i uninstalled the 0.22 version already if i would have archived everything before i wouldn't have lost the meta-data

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laga:

Defense|Twin: i think you can get 0.22 rpms in some other repo

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mzb:

question about raid5 for (my) sanity's sake:

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mzb:

if I have xfs on raid5 of 3x1TB drives and then buy a 4th 1TB drive, am I right in believing that a) I can grow the raid5 array to 3TB and b) then grow the xfs fs to fit?

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mzb:

(software raid of course!)

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mzb:

note that I currently only have 1x1TB drive, but planning to get 2 (now) ... possibly more later.

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mzb:

so to start with I will be creating a 3x raid5 array using 2 drives + 1 missing (as it has data on it!), copying the data from the "missing" drive onto the array, then adding the missing drive in to the array

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mzb:

ie: I can't create a raid5 array of 3 drives with 'n' missing drives from the outset

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** mzb checks he's typing in the right # **

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** mzb checks deodorant levels **

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Dassu:

You should use deodorant only when needed. It get's into your blood and it doesn't leave your body.

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mzb:

Aluminium free ;)

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wagnerrp:

please dont ever suggest to geeks to wear deoderant sparingly

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mzb:

heh

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laga:

in ym opinion, deodorant is always needed

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laga:

s/ym/my/

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wagnerrp:

mzb: are you sure you can initialize a degraded array?

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wagnerrp:

i doubt it will let you do that

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mzb:

err ... you mean r5 using 2 drives an 1 missing ... yes ... that's how I initially setup my 3x500G array

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wagnerrp:

you might be able to start with RAID0, and upgrade to a RAID5

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wagnerrp:

that just seems like trouble brewing

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mzb:

why?

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wagnerrp:

starting out with a degraded array

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wagnerrp:

im honestly surprised the system will even let you do that

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wagnerrp:

i know my RAID card wont

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janneg:

mzb: yes, you should be able to start a raid5 array with one missing device

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janneg:

and the since 2.6.17 or so it's possible to grow raid5 arrays by adding devices

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mzb:

thanks janneg, I already know I can. I'm asking about growing.... ^H^H^H^H^H

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mzb:

$ mdadm --create /dev/md0 --level=5 --raid-devices=3 /dev/hd[ab]1 missing

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janneg:

growing the array should be as simmple as adding the new device as spare

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mzb:

err.. a spare? Why so?

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janneg:

and then mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=4

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janneg:

mzb: that's the way md/mdadm does it

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mzb:

so I wouldn't be able to do (say): # mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=4 /dev/hd[a-d]1 ???

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mzb:

I thought spare devices were essentially inactive

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wagnerrp:

they are

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janneg:

at least that's how I just did it to move my raid1 to a different device while still haven at least two copies

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wagnerrp:

but their set up to automatically start recovering to it in the event of a drive failure

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Mythed:

Hello every one

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janneg:

mzb: man mdadm

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wagnerrp:

meaning they are bound to the array

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mzb:

I'm looking at the manpage now

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janneg:

or array parameter change

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mzb:

(and still none the wiser)

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Mythed:

Im having big issues trying to setup the IR on my mythtv box, can any one help at all ?

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Mythed:

ive tried so many guides and been searching for a solution on the net wor days!

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mzb:

wagnerrp: my issue with a spare is that (by my understanding) adding a spare does not increase (grow) the array ... right?

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Mythed:

would any one be willing to connect to my Myth box and checkout my configuration?

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wagnerrp:

what hes saying is that you add the disk to the array as a spare

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wagnerrp:

and then tell the array to expand, using the spare

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janneg:

mzb: look for grow mode

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mzb:

refer to my grow suggestion above

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janneg:

mzb: correct adding the spare doesn't change the array size

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janneg:

but mdadm --grow dev -n N+1 does

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mzb:

ok

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Mythed:

i would be willign to pay for some one to connect up and configure my IR remote if any one is interesting?

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Mythed:

*interested

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mzb:

oh ... I think I get it ... I assume the devices aren't specified in the grow command, so you use the 'add spare' just prior to that

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janneg:

yeah, grow doesn't get devices but will use spares

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mzb:

but single line like: # mdadm --add /dev//md0 /dev/hdd1 --grow /dev/md0 -n 4

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mzb:

should work

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janneg:

not sure, could irritate mdadm

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janneg:

mzb: and you want to use --backup-file for the --grow command

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mzb:

ok ... so then growing the xfs is trivial ... are there issues with distribution of inodes (?) over all the drives with an array that's been (incremantally) grown?

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mzb:

um .. right, I think

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janneg:

I don't think it's a problem for xfs. but growing from 2 to 3 terrabyte shouldn't be a problem

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mzb:

ok, "RAID-DEVICES CHANGES" section floats my boat ;)

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mzb:

hmm ... better try and order these drives before I fall asleep ;) (and before ${WOMAN} wakes up and demands her credit card back again;))

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mzb:

thanks all for the help

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mzb:

hopefully the TTL serial converter will arrive any day now so I can unlock #1 1TB drive (Seagate firmware! ... grrr!)

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mzb:

(need the converter for other things, so no big deal;)

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wagnerrp:

unlock?

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wagnerrp:

you have a trashed drive?

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mzb:

firmware bug

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mzb:

can't use the drive on motherboard ports ... works on RR PCI card though

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wagnerrp:

but the bug was actually triggered? you cant just flash the firmware through normal means?

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mzb:

I have flashed the firmware (eventually) ... but the drive is still locked

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mzb:

(from the motherboard's point of view)

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mzb:

using TTL serial you can "log in" to the drive and unlock it (afaict)

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laga:

and your drive has a serial port?

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mzb:

*or* I could copy all the data off and send it back to Seagate ... but I just don't have the time

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mzb:

all drives do, afaik. Diagnostic pins are TX/RX serial

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mzb:

there's a procedure outlined for this method in the Seagate forums

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mzb:

looks simple enough ... we'll see ;)

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laga:

so you dont have time to send your drive back to seagate but you do have time to talk to the firmware? amazing :)

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mzb:

3 days until the convertor arrives + a few hours(?) stuffing around ... vs a few weeks with other method (wait for 2x new drives, copy off current drive, send it away, wait for return)

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mzb:

if TTL serial method doesn't work I'll go back to plan A ... but having just bought a house I've got things that need to be done *now* (and preferably in a certain order) .... computers are important, but not the only thing I have to take care of ;)

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Pontiac:

Whats the link to that process of hooking up via serial to a HDD?

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mzb:

combined with SWMBO (pregnant) announcing that the 3rd bedroom is no longer going to be _my_ computer room .. but a nursery!! ... kind of puts me under a bit of pressure :( ... heh

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** mzb trundles off to buy drives **

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wagnerrp:

SWMBO?

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jams:

she who must be obeyed

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wagnerrp:

ah

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jduggan:

should have pulled out

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jduggan:

oops, did i say that outloud =]

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Pontiac:

No you typed it

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jduggan:

thanks for pointing that out

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wagnerrp:

jduggan has no inner monologue

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mzb:

lol

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mzb:

hmm, this is child #2

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mzb:

looks like I can get WD green 1TB for an extra $20 ea ... with bonus eSATA+USB docking station (Welland?) with each drive

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mzb:

meh ... prefer to keep all the same drives

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Pontiac:

WD=Seagate.. sort of.

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mzb:

I though that was Maxtor

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Pontiac:

You're right.

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mzb:

must be on a roll (downhill all the way;)

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mzb:

err .. link ... hang on

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mzb:

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=128807

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Pontiac:

Purdy cool.

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mzb:

k, that's done. Now time to crash (2:20am). Good night all, and thanks for the help.

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Dimitree:

Hello :) I have Cinergy S2 HD CI installed with http://mercurial.intuxication.org/hg/s2-liplianin driver under Ubuntu 9.04.Will MythTV work with my card and is it working with S2 satellite transponders and 4LBN Switch ?

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dustybin:

would a mac mini make a perfect mythtv VDPAU playback device?

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dustybin:

http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_ma . . . ?mco=MTE3MDM

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Dimitree:

Also how does MythTV handle HD satellite channels ? does it use vdpau ?

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Dimitree:

And how do i approach installing MythTV in my case ? Can i install it from the repository or should i compile the latest version for DVB-S2 use ?

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stuarta:

well there are some patches on a ticket somewhere to add dvb-s2 support to mythtv, they need some testing

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Dimitree:

stuarta, i'm troubled with this because i use Kaffeine and compiled it with S2 support but even with that Kaffeine seams to skip all the S2 transponders at random, and it's pure luck to make it work with xine-vdpau

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stuarta:

dvb-s2 support hasn't matured at all yet

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Dimitree:

stuarta, can you tell me where to read about MythTV for DVB-S2 + VDPAU ?

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Dimitree:

am i wasting my time trying to make it work then ?

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stuarta:

vdpau is in trunk although it's only alpha/beta

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stuarta:

dvb-s2 support hasn't matured at all yet

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Dimitree:

stuarta, what should i do ?

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stuarta:

well you can try it. but you will be largely on your own

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laga:

test the patches and improve them ;)

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Dimitree:

i doubt that i can make it on my own so i guess i will drop it :)

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Dimitree:

laga, i wish i could ;) but i'm a windows loser switching to linux haha

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Dimitree:

it was a terrible pain to learn how to compile Kaffeine for dvb-s2 and then Xine with vdpau support and the Nvidia drivers and even then it's not working haha

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laga:

well, that's what you get for running beta code ;)

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stuarta:

getting things like kaffeine working is almost a pre-req for a painless mythtv experience

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Dimitree:

why are these thing so not developed on linux :) i mean this stuff is old news in windows

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stuarta:

well there's been a API war

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laga:

Dimitree: because you didn't do it ;)

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stuarta:

linux drivers are always at least 6–12 months minimum behind windows

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Dimitree:

stuarta, well i'm sure that the drivers work and in Kaffeine when i manually tune to s2 transponder it actually find the HD channels, but with Full scan it skips them, so i was hoping that MythTV has a better scan approach for s2 or something

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Dimitree:

laga, i'm a bit old to learn programming ;)

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stuarta:

well it should find them, hopefully

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** stuarta crosses finger **

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** stuarta crosses fingers **

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laga:

Dimitree: i was referring to the old "scratch your itch" paradigm – things are developed when someone wants them :) unfortunately there was this really stupid API war stuarta mentioned and lack of developer time etc

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janneg:

and lack of dvb reception here

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janneg:

dvb-s

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laga:

janneg: i thought it worked in your kitchen? :)

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** stuarta chuckles **

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janneg:

barely, I should have taken pictures

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Dimitree:

so small number of people are using DVB-S2 cards ?

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stuarta:

microscopic

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Dimitree:

thats weird ...

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Dimitree:

so my best bet is to install from repository and wait like a year or so for it to get updated with support for dvb-s2 and vdpau and all the goodies ?

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janneg:

hopefully earlier

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Dimitree:

any idea how to download from this place ? https://launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/ppa/+build/962788

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leeb:

Hi all, can anyone recommend what revision of trunk and patches to use for DVB-S2 ?

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leeb:

I've found ticket #5882 but it's now been closed for 4 months and there is lots of patches and mixes comments about them, now totally confused :s

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wandering_newbie:

hello!

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sphery:

he truly is just wandering...

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** stuarta throws a map **

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wandering_newbie:

hei there!

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** stuarta hits wandering_newbie with a map **

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wandering_newbie:

a quick question: is it possible to use mythtv via a web interface?

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** stuarta hits wandering_newbie with mythweb **

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wandering_newbie:

i mean install mythtv on a ubuntu server (no X), and interface to it using a browser?

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tony_:

slightly unrelated, but on my other tv, it has Dish satellite. is there any way to show all available channels?

[18:01:57]

tony_:

i'm hoping one of you is familiar with satellite, my first time using it

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** cesman wonders is there is a #dishtv channel... **

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sphery:

tony_: based on my memory of using Dish years ago, somewhere in the setup menu it lists all channels and puts a check by those to which you're subscribed

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tony_:

i've browsed through all i knew. it would take too long to do manually. thanks anyhow

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basment:

Anyone here had any luck getting the intel-wings to work with intel wireless gamepad? :)

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Dagmar:

By now you have to know that we'll ignore 99% of the crap that has to do with mythgame

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laga:

i didn't know intel made game pads

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Dagmar:

Yeah especially since mythgame doesn't use any gamepads

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laga:

tbh, i didn't know intel made wings either

[18:27:53]

Dagmar:

WiNGs

[18:28:50]

Dagmar:

Stands for WIreless Next Generation or some such bullshit marketdroid-speak

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Dagmar:

What it amounts to in practice is mediocre wireless gamepads

[18:31:01]

basment:

yeah, i know.. actually just trying to get the game pad to work as remote for the mythtv..

[18:32:17]

basment:

some guy made a intel-wings module.. but I can't seem to "make" it... and I have no clue about that.. So i guess i will go read up on what "make" is :)

[18:33:05]

wagnerrp:

there is 'joystick' control for mythtv

[18:33:40]

wagnerrp:

is the gamepad somehow supposed to set your gaming free?

[18:33:44]

basment:

yeah, but I have to get the wireless base installed first

[18:34:12]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt show up using the generic HID codes?

[18:34:33]

basment:

no, something special w/ how intel made the protocol..

[18:34:50]

basment:

http://intel-wings.sourceforge.net/

[18:34:55]

wagnerrp:

hooray for standards

[18:35:07]

basment:

yes..

[18:35:21]

wagnerrp:

i thought just about everything now minimally supported the basic DirectInput HID codes

[18:36:30]

basment:

need to find out what this "linux/config.h" thing is... seems to be erroring on that when i do the make.. humm

[18:37:03]

basment:

ah! it's been removed!

[18:37:37]

Dagmar:

You need to go find people who will teach you Linux 101

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wagnerrp:

cant say i know of (or have looked at all for) LUGs in the area

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basment:

teaching myself :P

[18:40:52]

Dagmar:

Driving people online to homocidal mania one unrelated question at a time is not "teaching myself"

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austin:

Hey anyone from the Twin Cities area using 8VSB?

[18:41:36]

wagnerrp:

yeah... dont want to set off johnny

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wagnerrp:

austin: you just looking for others in the area? or do you specifically have a problem?

[18:42:48]

basment:

sure it is. Dawinism... if it drives you to that, i'm sure you'll be killed off :)

[18:43:25]

austin:

after the switch one of my channels is missing after rescanning, I was wondering if there was a place to look for the mplex/service id's

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austin:

that way I could add the channel and then tune the antenna using the signal meter

[18:44:11]

wagnerrp:

check out silicondust.org, theyve got local scans indexed by zip codes

[18:45:30]

wagnerrp:

you can also try tvfool or antennaweb for a calculated lineup

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austin:

the numbers aren't the same it appears.... ie: the channel/virtual numbers don't correlate to an mplexid/serviceid

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wagnerrp:

virtual numbers arent supposed to match up with anything, theyre arbitrary

[18:49:19]

wagnerrp:

youve got three completely independent numbers there

[18:49:27]

wagnerrp:

the physical channel

[18:49:40]

wagnerrp:

the programid within the multiplex

[18:49:45]

wagnerrp:

and then the virtual channel number

[18:50:13]

austin:

right...but it doesn't list the programid within the multiplex

[18:50:35]

wagnerrp:

if you get the multiplex, you get all programs contained within

[18:50:38]

SHADOW_V:

http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/channels_us

[18:50:44]

wagnerrp:

if you dont see them, they dont exist

[18:51:15]

austin:

that's the page i was at

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austin:

looking on tv fool also. Maybe i just don't completely understand

[18:52:19]

austin:

doesn't seem to provide enough channel numbers to "tune the channel"

[18:52:58]

wagnerrp:

no, you just have to do a scan

[18:53:20]

SHADOW_V:

sob after looking at that site i think i want to scan again

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SHADOW_V:

eh

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austin:

that's the problem it doesn't show up on the scan

[18:53:42]

austin:

everything else but nbc

[18:54:07]

wagnerrp:

check tvfool or antennaweb to see what direction its coming in from, and at what strength

[18:54:28]

wagnerrp:

you may need to reposition or reaim the antenna, or you may just nee a bigger one

[18:55:00]

austin:

in your experience have these numbers been up to date in relation to the data "after the switch" ?

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wagnerrp:

the switch was just two days ago, and i havent tried an OTA scan in several months

[18:55:57]

wagnerrp:

i pick up my local channels over QAM from my cable provider

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austin:

nvm it shows post dtv on this chart

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austin:

i've got two tuners, one qam/one ota because i didn't want to split the cable again

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wagnerrp:

buy an amp

[18:57:48]

wagnerrp:

the problem with cable is that the local channels are often recompressed so the cableco can cram more in

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austin:

ahh i see it....now

[18:58:13]

austin:

tvfool is where it's at

[18:58:48]

austin:

freqid is the primary channel number and then there is mplexid/serviceid then atsc_major/minor i would assume are the virtual?

[18:59:06]

wagnerrp:

yes

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austin:

need to invest in a compass

[19:05:02]

wagnerrp:

you dont know what direction is south?

[19:05:06]

austin:

lol

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austin:

i can get close

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austin:

but it's not tuning

[19:05:39]

wagnerrp:

no protractor?

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Defense|Twin:

Hi, i have a problem.. my mythtv-setup finds my USB DVB-T stick, but if it tries to scan for channels it doesn't find something an says something about timeout.. and the lamp of the stick also indicates nothing at all

[19:07:18]

Dagmar:

Check the system logs and make sure the driver is loading

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austin:

nope

[19:08:58]

Defense|Twin:

Dagmar: the driver is loaded

[19:09:23]

Dagmar:

So check the system logs

[19:10:11]

wagnerrp:

a protractor just seems like the kind of thing everyone should have one of

[19:10:12]

austin:

dmesg also

[19:10:19]

wagnerrp:

none left over from grade/highschool geometry?

[19:10:32]

austin:

nope

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austin:

it's a vhf channel though so it uses the rods, didn't have those fully optimal so i'm going to keep trying

[19:12:43]

Defense|Twin:

Dagmar: system logs (messages / dmesg) looks clear.. the only warning i can see is DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid 2 in the console output...

[19:13:26]

Dagmar:

Yeah that would mean it didn't init properly

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Dagmar:

You have fun with that

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Defense|Twin:

?!?

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wagnerrp:

translated... 'in that case, it is no longer a mythtv problem, but one with your distro or #linuxtv'

[19:14:18]

Defense|Twin:

but the card should be ok... until this morning 0.22 was working fine with it.. but them i downgraded to 0.21

[19:14:47]

wagnerrp:

you *cant* downgrade from 0.22 to 0.21

[19:14:55]

wagnerrp:

but that wouldnt cause this error anyway

[19:14:59]

Dagmar:

Then your problem would likely be that you failed to correctly reconfigure it

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Defense|Twin:

wagnerrp: and the system-logs look pretty ok (i have this stick now since a while and i know how it should look like)

[19:15:08]

Dagmar:

meaning you didn't nuke the lot and reinstall

[19:15:56]

Dagmar:

You've had that all this time and you've never googled "DiSEqCDevTree, Warning: No device tree for cardid"

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Dagmar:

hint hint

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Dagmar:

Because basically, if I had a fucking nickle for every time someone was too lazy to google something the system was trying desperately to tell them, I COULD WIN THE LOTTERY BY BUYING ALL THE TICKETS.

[19:18:16]

Defense:

Dagmar: ? maybe i was too dumb to find the solution?

[19:18:43]

Dagmar:

You wouldn't be alone.

[19:19:16]

Dagmar:

If I knew a way to get to these people to make them google *before* asking other people, I'd be buying airtime on late night TV to talk about it

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wagnerrp:

you wouldnt talk about it... thats why we have Billy May

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wagnerrp:

impressive... someone is claiming HDmpeg2 playback on an Atom on the -users list

[19:23:05]

Te3-BloodyIron:

i need some help with an IR/RF receiver device, should I just ask my question?

[19:23:06]

wagnerrp:

... nevermind

[19:23:13]

wagnerrp:

G45, not 945

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stuarta:

if its off loadable it could be possible

[19:23:21]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Heheh it wasn't really an HD stream was it

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Te3-BloodyIron:

do logitech harmony products typically work with mythtv/linux?

[19:27:12]

Te3-BloodyIron:

ie: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/remotes/uni . . . amp;cl=us,en

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wagnerrp:

logitech harmony products have nothing to do with linux

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Dagmar:

In that Linux boxes generally don't use remotes? No.

[19:27:46]

wagnerrp:

they send IR signals

[19:27:52]

Dagmar:

Might as well ask if they work with Peugot sedans

[19:28:00]

wagnerrp:

if you happen to have a receiver on your linux system, then yes, they work with linux

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Te3-BloodyIron:

im talking about using it to transmit IR signals to a STB

[19:28:38]

Dagmar:

The Trance Vibrator is more applicable, and it has a driver.

[19:28:51]

stuarta:

batteries?

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Dagmar:

Te3-BloodyIron: So you're planning on installing Linux on your Harmony remote?

[19:28:57]

Te3-BloodyIron:

no

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Dagmar:

stuarta: USB-powered actually.

[19:29:28]

stuarta:

usb powered vibrator! hmmm!

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wagnerrp:

logitech does not provide software to program harmonies on under linux

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Te3-BloodyIron:

this device connects to a system via USB supposedly, i was wanting to use it to transmit IR signals to devices

[19:29:30]

Dagmar:

stuarta: My thinking is that once Linus foudn out what it was, he no longer wished to question why the driver's author was asking it be included in the kernel.

[19:29:35]

wagnerrp:

there is software available, but ive not used it

[19:29:45]

wagnerrp:

and no, it cannot be controlled by the computer as an ir transmitter

[19:29:49]

Dagmar:

Te3-BloodyIron: You should call Logitech

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wagnerrp:

furthermore, that would be a stupid plan, because a $100 costs far more than the $2 worth of hardware you need to build you own blaster

[19:30:33]

Te3-BloodyIron:

i dont think they'll have the answers im looking for, that's why i ask here.

[19:30:33]

wagnerrp:

$100 remote

[19:30:41]

Te3-BloodyIron:

i already have the blaster wagner

[19:30:43]

Te3-BloodyIron:

it was given to me

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wagnerrp:

the harmony is a remote, it is not an ir blaster

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Te3-BloodyIron:

i dont have the remote

[19:31:08]

Te3-BloodyIron:

just the extender and IR transmitter thinggy

[19:31:12]

Te3-BloodyIron:

read my link then

[19:31:14]

Te3-BloodyIron:

maybe youll see

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wagnerrp:

you program it using USB

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Te3-BloodyIron:

that im not atlking about a remote specifically

[19:31:23]

wagnerrp:

and then you use it just like any other remote

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Dagmar:

Te3-BloodyIron: Then let's just go ahead and fill in the next twenty silly questions with "No.", "no.", "no", "No!", "Not a chance.", "No.", and "You *should* jump."

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Te3-BloodyIron:

dagmar if youre not going to be helpful then just stop talking to me

[19:31:44]

Te3-BloodyIron:

i came here for help

[19:31:48]

Te3-BloodyIron:

why do you have to be a dick?

[19:31:55]

Dagmar:

If you're going to ask dumb questions there's people who get paid to listen to them.

[19:32:10]

Dagmar:

If you're going to call me names you're going to be getting nothing but more grief about asking silly questions.

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Dagmar:

The harmony remotes can be programmed to emulate other remotes through USB

[19:32:26]

Te3-BloodyIron:

frankly you havnt given me much so far, so im not exactly at a net loss

[19:32:32]

Te3-BloodyIron:

okay

[19:32:46]

Dagmar:

Just that they connect to a computer running Linux using USB doesn't make them a linux problem, and it doesn't make them a Myth-TV problem

[19:32:47]

wagnerrp:

i dont know if an extender can be controlled over USB

[19:32:58]

Te3-BloodyIron:

aha

[19:32:58]

Dagmar:

...but you're apparenbtly willing to waste our time on it because we're conveniently located on your screen?

[19:33:03]

Te3-BloodyIron:

see that's waht im looking for wagner

[19:33:03]

wagnerrp:

but im going to guess the only way readily available to control one is with an RF capable harmony

[19:33:12]

Dagmar:

Freaking call Logitech already

[19:33:19]

Dagmar:

They have a help line jsut for these types of questions

[19:33:20]

wagnerrp:

either way... its a $100 for a ir blaster if you want to use it that way

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Te3-BloodyIron:

wagn, im more wanting it to help automate a STB

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Dagmar:

Turns out when you spend several hundred dollars on a damn remote, the manufacturer will hire people to put up with a lot of silly questions.

[19:33:39]

Te3-BloodyIron:

and i already have it, so im not out of pocket (as it was given to me)

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Dagmar:

You ask them if the thing can pop popcorn and they'll tell you no with a smile

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Te3-BloodyIron:

wagnerrp: do you understand what i mean about using it to automate a STB?

[19:36:17]

Defense:

if i really want to delete everything from mythtv where do i have to delete files? (currently i did "yum erease myth*" and delete /root/.mythtv and /home/user/.mythtv...)

[19:36:29]

Defense:

and i deleted /etc/mythtv

[19:36:30]

wagnerrp:

yes, you want to control a STB using a computer

[19:36:31]

Dagmar:

rm -ef / will generally do the trick

[19:36:36]

Dagmar:

er -rf

[19:36:38]

wagnerrp:

you use an rf blaster for that

[19:36:43]

wagnerrp:

err... ir blaster

[19:36:50]

Defense:

Dagmar: i'm close to laughing..

[19:37:00]

Defense:

(not really)

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Te3-BloodyIron:

wagnerrp im pretty sure this does that

[19:37:07]

Dagmar:

We've no idea where the hell you installed it man

[19:37:22]

Defense:

i used yum (fedora install tool)

[19:37:23]

Dagmar:

From our point of view, it'd probably be faster to lay waste to teh box and reinstall.

[19:37:32]

Dagmar:

Actually in reality it probably sould be faster.

[19:37:35]

Dagmar:

s/sould/would/;

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wagnerrp:

Te3-BloodyIron: it is an extender... it is only controlled by a Harmony 890 and 1000, using signals sent to it over RF

[19:37:41]

wagnerrp:

its not what you want

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Te3-BloodyIron:

why does it have usb then?

[19:37:58]

Te3-BloodyIron:

very confusing

[19:38:10]

Te3-BloodyIron:

well i guess you cant tell me, but it makes me wonder

[19:38:13]

wagnerrp:

because it needs to be programmed

[19:38:23]

Dagmar:

because it works better than asking the user to enter a mere 4K of digits into the keypad on the remote.

[19:38:31]

Dagmar:

ffs

[19:38:49]

wagnerrp:

now why the remote itself doesnt just send the commands, i dont know

[19:39:04]

Te3-BloodyIron:

well, i dont exactly have a harmony remote for this

[19:39:04]

Dagmar:

Not only can he tell you, he's told you several times why it's got a USB connection.

[19:39:07]

wagnerrp:

perhaps it works both ways

[19:39:13]

wagnerrp:

the remote can be programmed over RF

[19:39:23]

wagnerrp:

either way, it is not what you want

[19:39:35]

wagnerrp:

even if it might function as an ir blaster for you, its $100

[19:39:37]

Te3-BloodyIron:

well, what do you recommend?

[19:39:41]

Te3-BloodyIron:

yeah i know wagner

[19:39:42]

Te3-BloodyIron:

but

[19:39:45]

Te3-BloodyIron:

i have it in hand

[19:39:46]

Te3-BloodyIron:

right now

[19:39:50]

Te3-BloodyIron:

i got it for free

[19:40:11]

Te3-BloodyIron:

hence why im trying to figure it out

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wagnerrp:

i dont know for certain.... but i highly doubt it can do what you want

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Te3-BloodyIron:

alright

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Te3-BloodyIron:

do you know if others have had success with other harmony equipment?

[19:40:58]

Dagmar:

Unless perhaps you install Linux on it

[19:41:06]

wagnerrp:

i have a pair of harmony remotes

[19:41:09]

wagnerrp:

they work great

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Te3-BloodyIron:

dagmar would you just stfu already? youre not helpful

[19:41:10]

Dagmar:

People use them as remotes all the time

[19:41:12]

wagnerrp:

but its just a remote

[19:41:16]

Te3-BloodyIron:

yeah

[19:41:19]

Dagmar:

Stop the short bus questions then

[19:41:21]

Te3-BloodyIron:

i figured as much

[19:41:43]

Te3-BloodyIron:

wagnerrp: can you link me to the receiver they come with?

[19:41:56]

wagnerrp:

they dont come with a receiver

[19:41:58]

wagnerrp:

theyre just a remote

[19:42:08]

Te3-BloodyIron:

ahh

[19:42:12]

wagnerrp:

it doesnt have its own set of codes to send

[19:42:26]

wagnerrp:

you program it to act in place of remotes you already have

[19:42:30]

Te3-BloodyIron:

yeah

[19:42:49]

Te3-BloodyIron:

well, if i cant get this working, whatwould you recommend in place?

[19:42:53]

Dagmar:

If he didn't know that then he hasn't even bothered to read the little flyer the thing comes with.

[19:43:13]

Dagmar:

Finally a non insane question

[19:43:26]

wagnerrp:

the mceusb2 remotes/receivers usually work well

[19:43:31]

Te3-BloodyIron:

hi, im dagmar, i get self gratification out of my own text demeaning others in a support channel where people come for honest help.

[19:43:37]

Te3-BloodyIron:

grow up dagmar already, or stop talking

[19:43:49]

Te3-BloodyIron:

wagnerrp: the "offciial" windows mce ones?

[19:43:50]

Dagmar:

RF broadcast control mechanisms are near to nonexistant where LInux is concerned. You could build something, but then, if you could build it you wouldn't need to ask.

[19:44:04]

Dagmar:

IR is farily easy, the hardware is cheap, and it's almsot fully documented

[19:44:10]

Dagmar:

RF is doom and pain

[19:44:11]

wagnerrp:

anything that works with the mceusb2 drivers

[19:44:19]

Te3-BloodyIron:

dagmar: this is an ir blaster too

[19:44:23]

Te3-BloodyIron:

ir just happens to also receive rf

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Dagmar:

Well good for it

[19:44:38]

Te3-BloodyIron:

well can you link me to ir documentation please?

[19:44:43]

Dagmar:

www.lirc.org

[19:44:44]

Te3-BloodyIron:

i havnt had much luck turning some up

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Te3-BloodyIron:

thanks

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Dagmar:

You haven't looked and you insult everyone around be claiming you did.

[19:45:06]

Te3-BloodyIron:

wagnerrp: is there a compatability list?

[19:45:15]

Dagmar:

s/be/by/;

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wagnerrp:

not that i know of

[19:47:00]

wagnerrp:

buy from a website with reviews

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wagnerrp:

make sure someone in the reviews says it works with linux

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wagnerrp:

the official ones tend to have a small square receiver box, with a pair of ports on the back for transmitters

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Te3-BloodyIron:

yeah, pretty much identical to this device

[19:49:23]

Te3-BloodyIron:

well

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Te3-BloodyIron:

thanks, ill see waht i can do

[19:51:25]

wagnerrp:

nothing like the logitech device you linked to

[19:51:29]

wagnerrp:

entirely different purpose

[19:51:40]

Te3-BloodyIron:

maybe i linked the wrong one

[19:51:48]

Te3-BloodyIron:

was it the RF extender i linked?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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Te3-BloodyIron:

well it has the ir blaster connectors on the back

[19:52:18]

Te3-BloodyIron:

and the person who gave it to me says it receives IR signals, and i trust him

[19:52:27]

Te3-BloodyIron:

so how is it different? what am i missing?

[19:53:26]

wagnerrp:

that device is designed to work in unison with certain harmony remotes

[19:53:35]

wagnerrp:

the remote sends a signal over RF

[19:53:40]

wagnerrp:

this device repeats it over IR

[19:53:52]

wagnerrp:

so you can control infrared devices without line of sight

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Te3-BloodyIron:

yeah that's waht i figured, it's just odd taht it also has usb

[19:54:12]

wagnerrp:

i do not see anywhere in the specs that it can receive IR

[19:54:19]

Te3-BloodyIron:

yeah i didnt either

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Te3-BloodyIron:

but i trust my friend as he only has an ir remote

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wagnerrp:

i also dont see anywhere in there that says the attached computer can send IR

[19:54:43]

Te3-BloodyIron:

it's rather limited information :/

[19:54:57]

wagnerrp:

from what i can tell, it allows wireless syncing of your remote with your computer

[19:55:08]

wagnerrp:

and it provides power for the transmitters over USB

[19:55:09]

Te3-BloodyIron:

for like IR controls?

[19:55:15]

Te3-BloodyIron:

but it has AC power

[19:55:20]

Te3-BloodyIron:

why would it have AC and usb power?

[19:55:23]

Te3-BloodyIron:

ac power isn't even removable

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wagnerrp:

well it has to be able to work without use of a HTPC

[19:56:07]

wagnerrp:

so i guess wireless syncing is optional

[19:56:24]

wagnerrp:

your computer has to program the remote

[19:56:53]

wagnerrp:

and any time you want to make changes to your remote, you have to plug it back into the computer to sync the setup with their programming application

[19:57:02]

Te3-BloodyIron:

yeah i know

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Ponty:

t

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cesman:

u

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austin:

wagnerrp: i've gotten things mostly figured out, thanks for the web link resources

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austin:

I ended up using the scan command and then modifying the multiplex frequencies in mysql to match their new locations, then they scanned fine when scanning existing transports. So it wasn't a signal issue it seems.

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bsl:

hey, does anyone have a prefered tool for USB analysis?

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bsl:

I'm trying to figure out the protocol iMON is using

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jerkface:

hi, mythfilldatabase started giving me this error: #

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jerkface:

Duplicate entry '' for key 'title_pronounce'

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jerkface:

http://pastebin.com/m74a112b9

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** Ponty 's pondering a new system build for his backend. **

[23:40:37]

Ponty:

In reality I'm trying to figure out what exactly is dropping network packets, if its THIS machine or if its my backend because the 533fsb just isn't quick enough evem though its got a 3ghz skt478 CPU in it.

[23:43:39]

wagnerrp:

Ponty: what speed network?

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Ponty:

GigE

[23:44:16]

wagnerrp:

nevermind... a P4 of any blend should not be dropping gige packets

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wagnerrp:

not unless you have a lot of other traffic over PCI

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wagnerrp:

like a graphics card

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Ponty:

Well, the graphics card is pretty much idle. It is acting as the FE and BE.

[23:45:10]

wagnerrp:

or maybe a framegrabber

[23:45:19]

wagnerrp:

is it PCI or AGP?

[23:45:23]

Ponty:

heh. *takes back the knife*

[23:45:28]

Ponty:

AGP Video.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, so its not putting significant strain on the PCI bus

[23:46:06]

Ponty:

Doesn't the PCI bus also deal with IDE traffic?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but your IDE drives probably arent getting more than 50MB/s sustained

[23:46:53]

wagnerrp:

so youve got at least that much more left for network traffic

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Ponty:

What I'm gonna do in a bit is see if I can saturate the network between my machine and Distro (The BE), then see how many packets are lost over night.

[23:51:57]

Ponty:

I'm thinking its something to do with the machine itself, versus the network, because even Apache drops traffic. I carry on at 30meg/sec, then poof it drops randomly.

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