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Thursday, June 11th, 2009, 00:01 UTC

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quantum__:

anyone online

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quantum__:

I just did an upgrade but now I get all these errors when I try to run mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

Yes, we're all online, 206 of us

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quantum__:

AudioPulseUtil, Error: Failure to suspend: Invalid argument

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quantum__:

2009-06–10 18:40:26.338 ERROR: ***Pulse Audio is running!!!!***

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quantum__:

2009-06–10 18:40:26.338 ERROR: But MythTV was not able to suspend it. EXITING!

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quantum__:

2009-06–10 18:40:26.338 AudioPulseUtil, Error: Failure to suspend: Invalid argument

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iamlindoro:

and please PLEASE use a pastebin in this channel

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iamlindoro:

So remove pulseaudio or compile myth with pulse-disabling support

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iamlindoro:

for my money, removing pulseaudio is best

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quantum__:

how did the last version of mythtv handle this I wonder since it didn't complain

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iamlindoro:

Your last version of mythTV disn't include code to prevent you from using pulse

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iamlindoro:

or, as I saw it amusingly called, "the audio sync destruction daemon"

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quantum__:

ahh maybe that is what has been causing the skipping on the pervious version

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iamlindoro:

nothing to do with skipping

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sphery:

actually, there it's compiled to allow suspending it

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sphery:

it just failed

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sphery:

meaning Myth won't run since pulse is running

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sphery:

so get rid of Myth

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sphery:

I mean get rid of Pulse

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iamlindoro:

heh

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quantum__:

o.k. looks like I can start mythfrontend now thanks. hopefully removing allthose modules linked to pulseaudio won't hose FC10 too much

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iamlindoro:

Seemed like throwing the baby out with the sewage

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sphery:

Yeah, Myth is a good baby... Don't want to get rid of it.

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sphery:

iamlindoro: does export LIBXCB_ALLOW_SLOPPY_LOCK=1 && mythfrontend fix the xcb errors?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I haven't tried, don't know anything about that one, but the one reference I found to it appeared to have been solved by updating video drivers

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sphery:

cooll

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iamlindoro:

so I did so, and will have to see-- thanks, though, I'll try that if I see it again

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Hilikus:

hey guys

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Hilikus:

every time i start mythfrontend i get a message about prescaling images. i remember i once added some setting in xorg.conf that fixed that but i can't remember what it was

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Hilikus:

can anyone remind me

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sphery:

it always displays that message on startup

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sphery:

if Myth is configured right, it won't take long, so it goes away fast

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Hilikus:

im pretty sure theres a setting for that no?

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sphery:

but it has nothing to do with x config

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Hilikus:

yea, it doesnt take that long

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sphery:

then it's as good as it gets

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Hilikus:

i just thought it was misconfiguration

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sphery:

it always displays that.

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Hilikus:

ok

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sphery:

You can do like I do, though--just never exit mythfrontend and you'll never see it :)

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Hilikus:

hehe, no, it had more to do with my impression that with that xorg setting it didnt do that AND the fonts were bigger

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Hilikus:

but i might be wrong

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iamlindoro:

You are indeed

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iamlindoro:

As sphery mentioned, the image scaling has nothing to do with xorg

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sphery:

bigger fonts were related to X settings in 0.20-fixes and before

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sphery:

(for that particular dialog, at least)

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sphery:

it was the DisplaySize setting

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mgroman:

When you decompose a video, what does it become? something sorta like BufferedImage() from the java api?

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J-e-f-f-A:

mgroman: Wrong channel???

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sphery:

Hilikus: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Display_Size --important part, now (in 0.21-fixes and above), is to make sure that the ratio of width to height specified in DisplaySize is identical to that of the physical dimensions of your TV/monitor

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sphery:

i.e. generally 4:3, 16:9, or 16:10

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mgroman:

they hate me in #mythtv i think

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J-e-f-f-A:

mgroman: Well, what does that ? have to do with MythTV? There's no Java AFAIK within myth...

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mgroman:

J-e-f-f-A: i was comparing it to that. there has to be some point between transcoding where the video data isnt a specific format? i am not trying to troll, just curious

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mgroman:

bufferedimage in java is sort of useless as a real image unless you encode it to jpeg etc

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J-e-f-f-A:

mgroman: Well, sure. The video has to be decoded into a frame (or frames?), then re-encoded into the new compressed format.

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Hilikus:

sphery i think it was DisplaySize

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Hilikus:

thanks

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mgroman:

ok so i guess generic video "data" in mythtv is called a frame(s)?

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mgroman:

J-e-f-f-A: thanks, ill start googling that

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Hilikus:

but youre right, it still shows that prescaling msg

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sphery:

Hilikus: in theory, though, DisplaySize won't have any effect on font size, now

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sphery:

it's all up to the theme

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Hilikus:

that was probably it then, it was in the older version

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J-e-f-f-A:

mgroman: I dunno... To MythTV, it's just a video file, in whatever container the recorded source provided it in. (Unless it's a framegrabber, then it's whatever format myth was configured to encode it into.)

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mgroman:

:-/ i should probably start looking at the source i guess

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J-e-f-f-A:

mgroman: For my Hauppauge PVR 'analog' tuners, they record in MPEG2 format with on-board hardware encoders. My ATSC digital tuners simply dump the raw stream from the air to disk.

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J-e-f-f-A:

mgroman: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Main_Page <-- is an excellent source too...

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mgroman:

J-e-f-f-A: yea sorry, im already looking at wiki... honestly, im not going to use mythtv, im just curious to how this stuff works

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mgroman:

thanks again

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mgroman:

though *

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J-e-f-f-A:

np.

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** Ponty purchased another tuner yesterday and is looking forward to installing it... right.... about.... n*poof* **

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Ponty:

.. or... maybe I need to figure out Why TF MythWeb decided to lose my entire format.

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Ponty:

Well, web format. All I did was just log in through my Cell. :/

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deeemac:

trying to play a recording on a front end and getting a 2009-06–10 18:00:15.270 ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1002_20090610155913.nuv' should be local, but it can not be found.

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deeemac:

on the backend

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Ponty:

... or maybe just fight with getting MythWeb to talk to the database AT ALL now. ...

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Ponty:

so much for a smooth sailing night. heh

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sphery:

Ponty: MythWeb's desired template is session based... Sessions are maintained according to the user who logs in. So, when you logged in on your cell phone, MythWeb noticed it was not a normal computer and automatically changed the template to the "lite" template for you. Then, when you use the computer, it thinks you changed it to lite...

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deeemac:

any ideas why a backend would not see files on a slave to allow the frontend to play them?

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sphery:

Ponty: so, to fix it now, do as instructed in http://<mythweb_host>:<port>/< . . . t>/README under FAQs in "Q: I've changed my theme to one that doesn't have a "settings" section. Help!"

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deeemac:

nfs is enabled on the slave, and mythweb sees it

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sphery:

Ponty: though, note that if you have an old MythWeb, it will say RESET_THEME, but you really want RESET_TMPL -> http://my.mythweb.tld/settings?RESET_TMPL=yes

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sphery:

Ponty: then, set up a /different/ username/password for use with your cellphone and it won't happen again

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sphery:

(mythweb/apache username/password, that is)

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Ponty:

Gotchya. Next step though is since I ran dpkg-reconfigure mythweb I gotta figure WTF changed. I'm severely annoyed, yet, smiling about it. heh

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Ponty:

Ahhh.. It decided to re-establish the mythtv password.

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Ponty:

grr

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Ponty:

.. or not.

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Ponty:

hmm.

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wagnerrp:

wow... Anne Friel with her normal accent is creeping me out

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wagnerrp:

its just wrong...

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deeemac:

wagnerrp: thanks for your help earlier! got 6 mythtv boxes all connected now, with a master with no tuner heh

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Ponty:

6 boxes? Whatchya need all them for?

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deeemac:

Ponty: lot's of recording!

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sphery:

still don't understand why you're running mythbackend on that machine

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Ponty:

... ya know... ask a dumb question... heh

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deeemac:

sphery: just didn't want taking down a recorder take down all the others

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Ponty:

But wouldn't taking down the primary back end snafu current recordings?

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sphery:

yep

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deeemac:

the primary backend would never go down

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Ponty:

heh. You don't know computers too well, do you? ;)

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sphery:

"taking down a recorder" meaning what?

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deeemac:

one of the slaves with actual recorders

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sphery:

why would you need to do that more than shutting down the master backend?

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sphery:

any time you make changes to mythtv configuration through mythtv-setup, you have to take down the master backend--so that means if you add/remove capture cards

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clever:

i think you should also restart the slave, if you add/remove cards on that slave

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sphery:

and, your capture cards shouldn't be causing any kind of kernel panics/system crashes/mythbackend crashes, either, so whether a master backend has capture cards or not should make no difference

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sphery:

clever: yeah, actually, before running mythtv-setup, you need to shut down all frontends, then all remote backends, then the master backend

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clever:

that would be the best case

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sphery:

that would be the /only/ supported case

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sphery:

anything else and you're playing with fire

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iamlindoro:

or just set fire to all the slave backends and bash the master with a hammer

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sphery:

speaking of playing with fire :)

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iamlindoro:

Only way to get rid of potential framegrabbers

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clever:

the framer grabber is currently in dads gaming system

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clever:

and i cant use it, because the sound card drivers crapped out

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iamlindoro:

that's a blessing

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clever:

the audio quality was horid anyways

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clever:

crappy card

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sphery:

Wha? A cheap frame grabber that produced recordings with bad quality? Stop the presses!

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** Ponty just can't figure out what changed after running the reconfigure. Getting access denied from MythWeb, yet, mysql -u {} -p {} works just fine. **

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clever:

the problem was actualy the audio capture card

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iamlindoro:

In its defense, it was phenominal quality for when they were invented, just after America declared independence

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sphery:

using mysql -u<space><username> is a pet peeve of mine

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iamlindoro:

having people tell you you missed the space is my pet peeve ;)

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clever:

Ponty: you cant put a space between -p and the password

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Ponty:

Actually, the -p {} was just -p

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clever:

if you just do -p, it will ask for a pw on stdin/out

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sphery:

if I wrote the mysql client, mysql -u<username> would work and mysql -u <username> would /not/ because as it is, people think that in : mysql -u <username> -p <database> that <database> is the password

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Ponty:

Yeah, I know. Command line.

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clever:

i usualy do mysql -u mythtv -p mythconverg

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sphery:

mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg

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clever:

the mysql arguments are a bit backwards

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sphery:

no, the space is just plain wrong

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sphery:

and the fact that it allows it is stupid

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Ponty:

Either way, I am able to log in. MythWeb is stating otherwise, and I'm not sure why, where, or what changed. Well, WHY because I ran reconfigure. What and where I don't know yet.

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sphery:

(it does /not/ allow a space for the password--the way it /should/ be for -u)

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clever:

run that mysql cmd on the same host as mythweb

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sphery:

Ponty: edit your mythweb.conf in apache

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sphery:

it has DB username/password/hostname

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Ponty:

Got it. was a typo.

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Ponty:

... again.

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Ponty:

Back in. I checked the file, but missed the password somehow.

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Ponty:

Thanks.

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Ponty:

Error at /var/www/mythweb/modules/settings/handler.php, line 61:

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Ponty:

require_once(modules/settings/tmpl/wap/header.php) [function.require-once]: failed to open stream: No such file or directory

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sphery:

see my above RESET_TMPL statement

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Ponty:

Got it.

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Ponty:

WHEW!

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Ponty:

*bookmarks that link just in case* heh

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Ponty:

So I got about an hour to configure the other card.

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Ponty:

BRB.

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heyheyhey:

i get this weird error anyone ever seen this 2009-06–10 21:40:39.588 Cannot load language en_us for module mythnews?

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iamlindoro:

It's harmless

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iamlindoro:

since you're running trunk, one presumes you would know that from following the dev and commits lists

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heyheyhey:

it does it for all plugins

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iamlindoro:

yes

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heyheyhey:

then segafaults out

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iamlindoro:

not related

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iamlindoro:

pastebin ls -al /usr/lib/libmyth*

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iamlindoro:

or /usr/local/lib/libmyth* if you used /usr/local as the prefix

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AnNahar:

hello friends

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AnNahar:

help plz

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AnNahar:

mythweb does not display since upgrade to f11

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AnNahar:

mythbackend is running

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heyheyhey:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1456091

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deeemac:

do you have to do anything special to let the front end view recordings off of a slave backend? nfs is enabled on everything, but no recordings show up on the slave, I am able to watch live tv from it but no recordings

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iamlindoro:

heyheyhey, Good, you don't have old libs-- anyway, the en_us thing is a harmless non-issue, your segfault won't be related to that

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clever:

the recordings should be visible allways, and even play without any special config

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deeemac:

clever: ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1002_20090610163000.nuv' should be local, but it can not be found. I just get this :/

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heyheyhey:

i also have one in usr/local

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heyheyhey:

http://www.pastebin.ca/1456092

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deeemac:

clever: on the slave backend

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clever:

deeemac: it normaly will try to stream the files if it cant find them localy

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iamlindoro:

heyheyhey, It's possible you have linked against older libraries, I suppose, I would rm /usr/local/libmyth* /usr/lib/libmyth* make install myth, then recompile and reinstall the plugins, personally

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iamlindoro:

making sure you explicitly set prefix

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sphery:

and maki distclean

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heyheyhey:

i will

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iamlindoro:

yeah, aand as sphery mentioned

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iamlindoro:

er and

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heyheyhey:

should i also do ones in usr/lib

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iamlindoro:

yes, remove all installed libmyth

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iamlindoro:

and for good meanuser /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins* and /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/* too

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iamlindoro:

er good measure

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iamlindoro:

haha, how did I get meanuser?

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iamlindoro:

freudian

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iamlindoro:

and I missed a slash above, /usr/lib/mythtv/plugins/*

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iamlindoro:

and /usr/local/lib/mythtv/plugins/*

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sphery:

aka /usr/{,local/}lib/mythtv/plugins/*

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** sphery loves globbing **

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AnNahar:

[Wed Jun 10 20:59:00 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function posix_uname() in /usr/share/mythweb/includes/defines.php on line 21

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sphery:

upgrade php

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AnNahar:

i just upgraded my entire distribution, that's how this happened

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AnNahar:

im using the fedora 11 myth rpms

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sphery:

AnNahar: php5-posix package, probably

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AnNahar:

jna-posix.noarch 0.7–2.fc11 fedora

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AnNahar:

lua-posix.i586 5.1.4–2.fc11 fedora

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AnNahar:

the only ones available

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AnNahar:

im using the mythweb for fedora 11

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sphery:

right, you probably need to install php5-posix

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sphery:

i.e. you don't have all the php stuff you need installed

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AnNahar:

well, i did a yum list available for posix and that's the only two it showed

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sphery:

no idea what your distro calls it, but you should look to see what php packages are there as you're probably missing some

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AnNahar:

i can do a yum provides... what would the library or file be called?

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heyheyhey:

i removed all plugins and libs

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sphery:

AnNahar: http://us2.php.net/posix_uname

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heyheyhey:

and did in mythtv dir make distclean

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iamlindoro:

heyheyhey, Now configure with an explicit prefix, make, make install, then make distclean the plugins, configure with a prefix, make install

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iamlindoro:

same prefix for both, of course

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deeemac:

clever: hmm there was a bunch of entries in the db for recordings that didn't exsist under recoreded, once removed all the recordings showed up!

[02:07:39]

heyheyhey:

so it would be in mythplugins ./configure --prefix=/usr/lib

[02:08:26]

iamlindoro:

yes, though of course you need to go through the mythtv portion first

[02:08:27]

sphery:

you need to rebuild mythtv, then install mythtv, then build mythplugins, then isntall mythplugins

[02:08:46]

heyheyhey:

yes

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sphery:

and you only specify --prefix for configure in mythtv (not in plugins--it uses the one configured in mythtv)

[02:09:07]

heyheyhey:

okay

[02:09:24]

iamlindoro:

sphery, Well, I specify both times, didn't know it wasn't necessary, learn something every day

[02:09:44]

AnNahar:

php-process

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sphery:

* Mon Jan 26 2009 Joe Orton <jorton@redhat.com > 5.2.8–5 – split out sysvshm, sysvsem, sysvmsg, posix into php-process

[02:09:50]

Ponty:

Darn it. This card comes back as an saa7130.

[02:09:50]

sphery:

yeah

[02:09:51]

heyheyhey:

it was wierd it was working fine till i lost power and it rebooted

[02:10:37]

deeemac:

clever: lol well they all show up now, but I get a the file for this recording can not be found, but the little thumbnail plays the video

[02:11:25]

sphery:

iamlindoro and heyheyhey : looks like iamlindoro is right--you should specify it for mythplugins, too

[02:11:47]

heyheyhey:

okay

[02:11:50]

sphery:

(since I install to /usr/local, my forgetting it never caused problems :)

[02:12:12]

deeemac:

clever: oh I think the front end doesn't have the right dns to see the nfs share

[02:12:22]

deeemac:

since it uses servername://

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deeemac:

ok scratch that still can not find file when trying to play a recording on slave backend

[02:21:02]

iamlindoro:

deeemac, You are using IP addresses in all the mythtv-setup settings, right? Never hostnames?

[02:21:12]

deeemac:

iamlindoro: correct

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Ponty:

I have a feeling I got skrewed on this saa713xhl card.

[02:30:23]

iamlindoro:

Ponty, Why? What card?

[02:30:56]

Ponty:

dmesg shows the card as a saa7130, and is also picking it up as a card=0,autodetected.

[02:31:15]

iamlindoro:

But what *card* is it

[02:31:16]

Ponty:

Although it is giving me a /video1 option.

[02:31:57]

Ponty:

Philips SAA713XHL TV1301

[02:32:01]

Ponty:

$40 card.

[02:32:07]

wagnerrp:

using mythvideo on mythweb, without the folder view because of storage groups... is a painful process

[02:32:14]

iamlindoro:

Not what chipset, I want to know what *product* it is

[02:32:24]

Ponty:

EasyTV MPEG...

[02:32:24]

iamlindoro:

brandname, model name

[02:32:40]

Ponty:

Lemme take a pic of the box and the tuner.

[02:33:32]

J-e-f-f-A:

Ponty: Does the box have a brand name on it?

[02:33:34]

iamlindoro:

No need

[02:33:49]

iamlindoro:

Appears it's framegrabber only in linux at least

[02:33:59]

iamlindoro:

Need to stop cheaping out on cards

[02:34:24]

iamlindoro:

Hell, you could have spent $30 on eBay and gotten a PVR-150

[02:34:29]

iamlindoro:

less money, real card

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Ponty:

I just may take this thing back.

[02:40:06]

Ponty:

Its not detected in any of my machines. {smirk}

[02:41:11]

iamlindoro:

If you have a video node, it's been detected

[02:41:28]

Ponty:

... shhh.

[02:41:42]

** iamlindoro sighs **

[02:41:46]

Ponty:

LOL

[02:42:11]

iamlindoro:

Is it September again?

[02:42:29]

Ponty:

Half way through June... I wish it would stay June.

[02:42:55]

iamlindoro:

Funny, it seems a lot like September

[02:43:13]

iamlindoro:

eternally, even

[02:43:55]

Ponty:

Found one command line that JUST might work.

[02:46:22]

Ponty:

Maybe next week I'll look into getting one of those 150s since pretty much EVERYONE in here says their a good card.

[02:46:45]

Ponty:

I'm not overly concerned about high-quality viewing as I've just got a standard television.

[02:46:56]

iamlindoro:

One PVR-150 is worth a million framegrabbers

[02:47:27]

Ponty:

TBQH, what the existing ASUS card records (Another framegrabber) looks just about the same as what I see on regular digital TV, but just MONO, not stereo.

[02:47:35]

iamlindoro:

And if you're under the impression that you'll end up with higher quality viewing with what you are doing, you are mistaken

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wagnerrp:

its not about 'high quality viewing', its about 'ease of use'

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Ponty:

*nods* Ease of use is pretty damned important.

[03:00:39]

Ponty:

Hmm.. With the card in auto-detected mode the 7130 doesn't work.

[03:00:42]

** Ponty grumbles **

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[03:11:43]

Ponty:

I'm such a newb.

[03:12:52]

squidly:

ok this is kind of odd. I keep seeing GetNextFreeFrame() served a busy frame G. Dropping. UUUUUUuUUUUUUUuUUUUUUUUuUUUUULL and NVP::AddAudioData():p1: Audio buffer overflow, audio data lost! with mythfrontend. I play it with xine or mplayer perfect video and audio

[03:14:07]

Ponty:

.. oh this is so nice. Any PVR 150 cards I can find are from USA only. Cost is ~40, then theres $30 shipping.

[03:19:42]

Ponty:

Anyone know if the WINTV949 USB Capture device is any good??

[03:21:16]

iamlindoro:

You really really really need to stop looking for other ways around this problem

[03:21:25]

iamlindoro:

no, the pvr-usb is a framegrabber

[03:21:46]

iamlindoro:

If there were alternatives, we would have mentioned them

[03:22:02]

Ponty:

Its not that I'm looking for a way around it, I'm looking for the cheapest card I can get. The 150 doesn't seem to be highly available around these parts.

[03:22:19]

iamlindoro:

you can't get there from here

[03:22:30]

iamlindoro:

if you persist in going for the cheapest, you will end up with a collection of useless cards

[03:22:39]

Ponty:

Lemme rephrase...

[03:22:39]

iamlindoro:

measure twice, cut once!

[03:22:58]

Ponty:

I'm looking for a 150, but I'm kinda wondering if I want to spend the $45cdn, then another $30 for shipping.

[03:23:01]

iamlindoro:

You're three cards in, how many will you have to buy before you realize that paying 50% more once would be preferable?

[03:23:25]

iamlindoro:

If the alternative is a framegrabber, YES, YOU DO

[03:28:10]

kormoc:

^^++

[03:28:17]

squidly:

^^++++

[03:30:55]

tank-man:

Ponty, have you been in here before wondering if you should buy the pvr150 ?

[03:31:00]

tank-man:

its like dejavu

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squidly:

tank-man: a couple of times iirc

[03:31:34]

heyheyhey:

iamlindoro and shery thanks

[03:31:41]

iamlindoro:

heyheyhey, worked?

[03:31:43]

heyheyhey:

sphery

[03:31:48]

heyheyhey:

yes

[03:32:02]

iamlindoro:

good. Yeah, figured your plugins got linked against an older version of the libraries

[03:32:02]

Ponty:

{smirk} More like trying to figure out what kind of card I should get, previously. Now I'm just trying to see if theres a 150 in my area before I pay the Canadian/US gov't for shipping.

[03:32:09]

heyheyhey:

next i gona try to get mythvodka to work

[03:32:31]

sphery:

mythvodka = new name for mythstreamtv?

[03:32:34]

iamlindoro:

heyheyhey, If you're hoping for hulu, I can save you the effort

[03:32:42]

sphery:

guess not

[03:32:59]

iamlindoro:

even if you do the work to get it compiling w/ trunk, it's still broken for at least the last couple sets of hulu countermeasures

[03:32:59]

heyheyhey:

no just shoutcast

[03:33:01]

squidly:

Ponty: if you are looking for basic good SD support get a pvr-150. I personally wont mess with anything other then hauppage cards

[03:33:08]

squidly:

that or a hd-homerun box

[03:33:40]

heyheyhey:

iamlindoro or sphery witch one does shoutcast

[03:33:47]

sphery:

what? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythStreams

[03:33:53]

iamlindoro:

I believe mythstream does shoutcast, and may actually compile with trunk (though I wouldn't bet on it)

[03:33:55]

heyheyhey:

is it vodka or mythstreams

[03:34:18]

iamlindoro:

Mythvodka = mythstreams, but mythstream != mythstreams

[03:34:18]

heyheyhey:

i will try both

[03:34:32]

sphery:

The MythStream I know seems to still be used: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~moongies/streamtuned.html

[03:34:49]

sphery:

And I've never heard of "MythStream*s*" (emphasis added)

[03:34:51]

iamlindoro:

like I said, you can't compile mythvodka against trunk

[03:35:07]

iamlindoro:

You could do the work to port it, but it still wouldn't do hulu/iplayer

[03:35:17]

sphery:

so, should have been reading what iamlindoro wrote rather than figuring it out the hard way

[03:35:17]

iamlindoro:

and it has never done shoutcast

[03:35:37]

iamlindoro:

*MythStream*, on the other hand, does do shoutcast

[03:35:45]

iamlindoro:

but may or may not compile against trunk

[03:35:58]

iamlindoro:

and is a big ol' hackgasm besides

[03:36:01]

squidly:

in video manager how do I get rid of the box that is asking for the IMDB #?

[03:36:18]

iamlindoro:

by running a version of your theme that matches your version of myth

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squidly:

iamlindoro: so it's a theme issue huh?

[03:36:53]

iamlindoro:

yep

[03:37:27]

squidly:

I was affraid of that

[03:37:41]

squidly:

i'm running mythbuntu.. you would think they fix it

[03:38:03]

squidly:

I like the blootube-wide theme

[03:38:20]

iamlindoro:

I don't think they've ever done theming (outside of their own)

[03:38:32]

squidly:

I dont think so either

[03:38:38]

squidly:

that one looks to be one that came with myth

[03:39:32]

elg:

hmm. my pvr-150 just went out to lunch the other day.

[03:39:34]

elg:

http://pastie.org/508058

[03:40:03]

elg:

i swear I've seen this before. google isn't much help. I wonder if it just went away on its own after a reboot or something. (I have rebooted this time)

[03:42:17]

heyheyhey:

did u get mythvodka to compile on trunk before iamlindoro

[03:42:54]

iamlindoro:

"<iamlindoro> like I said, you can't compile mythvodka against trunk"

[03:43:22]

iamlindoro:

"<iamlindoro> You could do the work to port it, but it still wouldn't do hulu/iplayer"

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Ponty:

I gotta get my machine back together, then watch some TV before bed.

[03:48:11]

Ponty:

<- frustrated.

[03:53:47]

** cesman wonders where juski is to help squidly.... **

[03:55:16]

squidly:

cesman: if justdave cant help me out I'll just post it on the userlist

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** iamlindoro wonders when the last time juski actually touched a theme was ;) **

[03:55:33]

iamlindoro:

besides, he knows about that one

[03:55:44]

iamlindoro:

Just not interested in touching it again

[03:55:57]

cesman:

iamlindoro: yeah...

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** justdave doubts if he can help **

[03:56:06]

iamlindoro:

and I don't blame him, if one were to take up theming again, it probably wouldn't be for a deprecated theming system

[03:56:07]

justdave:

I've been having that problem, too.

[03:56:09]

cesman:

my comment was more tongue in cheek...

[03:56:14]

justdave:

but just pretend it's not there

[03:56:14]

iamlindoro:

cesman, I know ;)

[03:56:19]

justdave:

it's only visually in the way

[03:56:32]

justdave:

the arrows and enter key still operate on the video list

[03:56:34]

squidly:

iamlindoro: I take it the mythtv's theming system is old?

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** kormoc blinks **

[03:59:26]

** squidly is not a themer at all, and know nothing about how to theme **

[04:00:00]

iamlindoro:

squidly, The theme system that theme is based on has been replaced

[04:00:06]

iamlindoro:

with MythUI, in trunk

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squidly:

iamlindoro: ahh

[04:00:46]

iamlindoro:

therefore existing themes would need a fairly complete rewrite to function with .22

[04:00:51]

iamlindoro:

and so probably will disappear

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squidly:

ahh

[04:01:05]

squidly:

so I should not be running trunk then

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iamlindoro:

Not if you expect existing themes to function

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squidly:

and I didnt though trunk was fixes

[04:01:49]

iamlindoro:

... E_FAILEDTOPARSE

[04:02:21]

squidly:

iamlindoro: yea 100% pebkac error

[04:04:23]

justdave:

squidly: /usr/share/mythtv/themes/blootube-wide/video-ui.xml

[04:04:38]

justdave:

search for "enterimdb"

[04:05:00]

justdave:

in the <area> block, change the first number to something ridiculous like 2000

[04:05:09]

justdave:

that'll make it show up offscreen so you won't see it

[04:05:25]

iamlindoro:

A window which, as an example, does not exist in MythUI

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justdave:

since it's not really there anyway (it's just getting drawn)

[04:06:39]

justdave:

perhaps nuking that entire <container> block would work, but I didn't get that adventurous. :)

[04:07:02]

iamlindoro:

removing required elements will break things

[04:07:16]

justdave:

right, which is why I wasn't that adventurous :)

[04:07:17]

iamlindoro:

not just visually, but in a "fail to load the screen" sort of way

[04:07:59]

justdave:

I was just cuing on your "window doesn't exist in MythUI" and thinking that meant it was a useless chunk of construct anyway

[04:08:15]

justdave:

but maybe you just meant on the trunk

[04:08:36]

iamlindoro:

No, just that many windows are renamed in MythUI, and the widget types and names are entirely different

[04:09:07]

iamlindoro:

ie MythUI is better designed, so rather than a new popup, it re-uses the existing base popup defined in the theme

[04:09:17]

squidly:

oh nice

[04:09:27]

iamlindoro:

Only popups which have unique layouts are uniquely themed

[04:09:38]

iamlindoro:

anything that can use a base popup type does so

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squidly:

ok.. I borked my db.. anyway I can downgrade my backend?

[04:09:54]

iamlindoro:

to an earlier schema?

[04:09:57]

squidly:

yes

[04:09:59]

iamlindoro:

by using a backup

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squidly:

that is what I thought

[04:10:05]

iamlindoro:

otherwise, you're stuck

[04:10:10]

justdave:

pretty sure upgrading is a one-way street with most database-backed stuff

[04:10:22]

iamlindoro:

especially if that upgrade was .21->trunk

[04:10:25]

justdave:

restore a backup or nuke it and start over.

[04:10:53]

justdave:

or go whole hog and live with trunk :)

[04:11:33]

jroysdon:

I've got an odd (to me) no audio problem. I can't play from within mythtv via livetv, recorded, videos, or music and get any audio. I can use an apple streaming feed to watch trailers and get audio, and other things play audio just fine in the system (Fedora 10). Any thoughts on what to check?

[04:11:37]

squidly:

justdave: I've got enough issues imposed by ubuntu

[04:12:36]

jroysdon:

Actually, this used to work just fine before I added flash player support which required a bunch of i386 things for np-plugins something to work. Bleh, I wonder if that broke something.

[04:13:05]

justdave:

oh, the 32bit version of flash works like crap on x86_64

[04:13:17]

justdave:

go download the alpha 64bit one and install it by hand

[04:13:23]

justdave:

I just had to do that today

[04:13:51]

justdave:

npwrapper is the "make 32-bit plugins work in 64-bit" thingie

[04:13:54]

jroysdon:

hmm, I'll need to backout a lot of i386 stuff that yum installed..., but I wonder if that's what really caused the problem

[04:14:04]

jroysdon:

justdave, yup, i'm guessing that is what broke it

[04:14:23]

justdave:

but usually sound problems like that are because of using the wrong sound engine in the myth prefs

[04:14:26]

** iamlindoro wonders what was wrong with just installing 64 bit flash **

[04:14:41]

justdave:

64 bit flash is alpha

[04:14:44]

justdave:

nobody packages it yet

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jroysdon:

imalindoro – I like using repository based packages that auto-update

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iamlindoro:

it's just a binary file you dump in your ~/.mozilla/plugins dir

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jroysdon:

I probably just need to update the sound engine in myth preffs

[04:15:10]

iamlindoro:

no need for packages, you don't even need to compile it

[04:15:16]

iamlindoro:

and it works fine

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jroysdon:

right, but when a security bug is out for it, I won't get auto updates

[04:15:30]

jroysdon:

as it stands, I would get auto updates

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justdave:

the package on the system doesn't actually have flash in it

[04:15:55]

iamlindoro:

auto updates should never be used on a working myth system anyway

[04:16:04]

justdave:

it's an installer stub that downloads it off adobe's site during the post-install

[04:16:33]

justdave:

depends on your distro

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jroysdon:

On my system, it installs a adobe.repo and checks updates

[04:16:44]

** iamlindoro sighs **

[04:17:02]

justdave:

some distros are better about not breaking things.

[04:17:11]

jroysdon:

I know, don't auto update, but I'll deal with it with some things

[04:17:16]

jroysdon:

(flash being one of them)

[04:17:31]

jroysdon:

Ok, where do I dig for the sound driver? I don't see it in mythsetup general

[04:17:36]

jroysdon:

Is it via the frontend?

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justdave:

it is in mythsetup general

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iamlindoro:

errrrrrrrrrrrm no

[04:18:20]

justdave:

the third screen

[04:18:23]

iamlindoro:

audio is a frontend function, not a backend one

[04:18:29]

justdave:

er, yeah, frontend

[04:18:32]

jroysdon:

argh, I can never spot stuff in there. Lemme look again

[04:18:35]

justdave:

setup in the frontend, then general

[04:18:37]

jroysdon:

(ah, ok)

[04:18:54]

jroysdon:

found it

[04:19:17]

jroysdon:

So the next question is which one do I use? I t was set for ALSA:default

[04:19:25]

justdave:

generally check what Gnome's using (or whatever your desktop environment is) and then set mythtv to match

[04:19:56]

justdave:

ALSA:default is probably good as long as your desktop environment is using ALSA (and sound works there)

[04:20:10]

jroysdon:

HDA NVidia (Alsa mixer) is what I have by default

[04:20:24]

jroysdon:

Sounds works there and I can control it there via the Volume Control in Gnome

[04:22:12]

jroysdon:

No audio. What things can I debug/test with?

[04:24:32]

jroysdon:

What is the streaming plugin using that the rest of myth isn't using?

[04:24:44]

jroysdon:

streaming plugin just works, but probably uses vlc or something

[04:32:19]

clever:

oooooo neat

[04:32:23]

clever:

'please wait'

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iamlindoro:

wow, it's been a while since you updated apparently

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clever:

many months

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kormoc:

it's taken that long to compile

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clever:

i ws using 20184

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iamlindoro:

hahaha

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clever:

i started compiling head a few hours ago

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clever:

on the 400mhz! :P

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jroysdon:

woohoo, I removed all the i386 crap that npwrapper installed and sound is working

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jroysdon:

ok, 'bout this silly alpha flash binary... where might I find it? ;-p

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iamlindoro:

http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+64+bit+flash

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jroysdon:

ok, odd new issue. Analog playback is fine. Playback of Livetv digital has no real audio, just a popping sound.

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jroysdon:

Any idea why one source would do that but not another? Same dual-tuner card

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sphery:

sounds like you have AC-3/DTS passthrough enabled but not configured correctly

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jroysdon:

ah, perhaps I changed that when I was troubleshooting the sound setup

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jroysdon:

Can it be set to none?

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jroysdon:

Or, where would I configure that, as setting it to none is probably the same as having it set to Default

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jroysdon:

ah, I see how it was checked

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jroysdon:

I didn't think I changed that, but I bet I did accidentally

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jroysdon:

woot, that was it

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jroysdon:

Hrm, glad to have things back to normal. Is there a way to hide the white flashing bar at the top? I think that's where the CC info is

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iamlindoro:

scale the video output up by a few percent

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iamlindoro:

Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->Playback

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jroysdon:

manual zoom as a test, and then do that permanently? ah, ok

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jroysdon:

great

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jroysdon:

So do I need to do Vertical scaling? What's Scan displacement?

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jroysdon:

Yeah, displacement is probably better than scaling, no? easier cpu-wise, I'd think

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iamlindoro:

neither is going to affect the CPU

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iamlindoro:

and these things *do* have descriptions

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jroysdon:

ah, ok. Yeah, but the description is a bit lacking

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jroysdon:

actually, that one was pretty decent

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jroysdon:

iamlindoro, does changing the video output up by say 10 produce a noticable change? I'm trying a number of changes (sometimes by 40) and not seeing it as far as I can tell with recording playback

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

changing the video output up?

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jroysdon:

the scaling

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jroysdon:

or the scan displacement, to try and get rid of the white blinking CC line at the top of the screen

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jroysdon:

oh, n/m, it changed it this way

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jroysdon:

still seeing it though, hrm

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jroysdon:

Is there anything I can do to improve digital "LAM Lock" ? Sometimes it takes some time, but once it locks on one channel the others seem to be better

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EnderTheThird:

jroysdon: mine got a little better when I got an amp for my cable going into my tuner

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jroysdon:

Hmm, what does an amp like that cost?

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EnderTheThird:

I think it was around $30 on ebay.

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EnderTheThird:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem . . . 370005977209 That's what I got

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jroysdon:

ah, ok. It requires an external power source, or what?

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kormoc:

jroysdon, you don't read much do you?

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EnderTheThird:

Yes. You need to get power from somewhere to amplify a signal.

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EnderTheThird:

It's kind of silly that they use a coax cable to connect to the power adapter, but whatever I guess.

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iamlindoro:

all decent drop amps use coax for power insertion

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iamlindoro:

only cheap garbage uses DC wall wart types

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iamlindoro:

where cheap garbage = anything from Radio Shack

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EnderTheThird:

Really? The more you know I guess. :)

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EnderTheThird:

Getting the parts for my new BE tomorrow. Woo!

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jroysdon:

Where would you want to boost the signal? As close to the source (input to the house)?

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jroysdon:

Also, will it mess with a data cablemodem?

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EnderTheThird:

How is your cable split now (into house then what... cable modem, STBs, etc.)

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jroysdon:

It's split outside at the input. I have direct runs to all the wall inputs

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EnderTheThird:

Shouldn't mess with a cable modem AFAIK. Pretty sure it's boosting my cable modem connection and mine's working like a champ.

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jroysdon:

It's just under my MPOE for my telco plant (which I don't use at all)

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EnderTheThird:

So you split the outside connection how many times?

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jroysdon:

I split it 2 times presently, one to my family room (mythbox, which then has a 4-way splitter) and one to my office where my cablemodem is.

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jroysdon:

4-way splitter at the mythbox as I have 4 encoders (1 digital, 3 analog)

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EnderTheThird:

Put it at your mythbox. 4 outputs from the amp, should work nicely.

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jroysdon:

That's true, but I just wonder how much loss occurs in my inside wiring. I guess I can test it at both places.

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EnderTheThird:

True. You can check the signal outside and then after your 4-way splitter. But splitting it 2-way and then 4-way has to be killing your signal.

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EnderTheThird:

I noticed a difference when mine was split 2 and then 3 ways. Look at the splitters and they'll say how much signal strength you're losing (dB)

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jroysdon:

True

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Dibblah:

JYA:?

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JYA:

yes?

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JYA:

sorry , wasn't looking at the window

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Dibblah:

I was wondering why the CTCP version.

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sid3windr:

they accidentally the whole version?

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Dibblah:

sense makes conversation none.

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Essobi:

Morning, everyone.

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highzeth:

this is a new one for me; "DVBChan(36:3) Warning: Unsupported fec_inner parameter." ..upon start of backend, TT-S2–1600 cards running 2.6.30. Anyone able to shed some light on it? =)

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tank-man:

lol, so you updated your kernel and now have problems?

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highzeth:

no, I setup the box just now.. new backend this is

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tank-man:

oh :)

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highzeth:

running 2.6.30 so the tuners are detected without having to pull latest v4l

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tank-man:

I olny have experience with analog cards in northamerica

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highzeth:

those I use for zoneminder these days, analog cards that is =)

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highzeth:

this is backend #6 in my setup, the rest of the slaves are a-ok, just never seen that warning before

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wagnerrp:

why do you have six backends?

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highzeth:

pushing telly to 3 houses/families on our farm instead of dedicated stb/tuners

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wagnerrp:

so why do you have six backends?

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highzeth:

why not? why push 8 tuners into one box and have 0 fail-over?

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wagnerrp:

well if your primary backend fails, its all over anyway

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iamlindoro:

You have 6 backends for only 8 tuners? Holy crap

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highzeth:

2 of the backends are fe/be combos, the others are running openvz & xen kernels and got about 70 VPS's under them

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tank-man:

"because he can" is why :P

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highzeth:

so there are max 10 fe's on, 6 on average

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iamlindoro:

tank-man, At least that answer would seem reasonable

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highzeth:

iamlindoro: and my answer wasnt? well thanx for that

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wagnerrp:

well at least youre running openvz and not a full hardware virtualization package

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highzeth:

wagnerrp: I do on the xen boxes ;)

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wagnerrp:

anyway, myth just isnt designed with any sort of redundancy or fail-over in mind

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iamlindoro:

As I am fond of saying to certain other elements around here, this is the reason that my children will be forced to live in domes

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iamlindoro:

possibly thunderdome

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wagnerrp:

going to go kidnap tina tuner now too?

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iamlindoro:

oh she'll find her way there, she's tough

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highzeth:

heh, talk about going OT, any input on the fec_inner parameter unsupported?

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nambo:

tina tuner?

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wagnerrp:

yeah, she runs the worlds first 'green' city

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wagnerrp:

powered entirely by pig dung

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iamlindoro:

aided by that lovable scamp, blaster master

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wagnerrp:

you know... its sad when i consider calling someone a young'un at never hearing of thunderdome, when the movie is older than i am

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superdump:

i see in the frontend that one can configure mythfilldatabase to run every 'N' days to obtain updated schedules and so on

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wagnerrp:

superdump: where do you live... what country?

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superdump:

i have a few questions – is mythfilldatabase run on a frontend and then the data fed back to the master backend? if the frontend and backend are off for some days (say one goes on holiday for a couple of weeks) and new schedule data is required immediately, does one has to run mythfilldatabase manually or will it be automatically spawned as needed?

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superdump:

wagnerrp: uk

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superdump:

why?

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superdump:

does one have to run*

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wagnerrp:

well if you lived in the US/Canada, those options are all irrelevant, since schedulesdirect tells MFD when to run

[13:59:34]

wagnerrp:

but for dealing with xmltv scrapers, i cant really help you

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wagnerrp:

never used any of them

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superdump:

what happens with the EPG stuff?

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highzeth:

superdump: it will not be initiated 'as needed' with xmltv, you need to run it fi. nightly to keep it updated.

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superdump:

ok

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superdump:

and EIT/EPG?

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highzeth:

you on -s or -t?

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iamlindoro:

superdump, You should use XMLTV if possible, and EIT as a last resort, but never both on the same channel

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superdump:

i'm on -t

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iamlindoro:

as it causes scheduling mayhem, missed recordings, and sometimes broken/wrong listings data

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superdump:

how come?

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highzeth:

freesat/sky offers a decent(couple days) EIT

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highzeth:

ohh -t I dont know, xmltv would be pref then yes

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iamlindoro:

superdump, because the unique identifiers used by the scheduler to determine if a program matches a rule aren't identical between EIT and XMLTV

[14:06:07]

iamlindoro:

especially the program/series IDs and the times

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superdump:

i could understand conflicts when running both, but i mean why is EIT/EPG a last resort?

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iamlindoro:

ah, because generally the quality of XMLTV listings data is superior to EIT, but YMMV

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superdump:

ok

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iamlindoro:

I do know that in the UK the radiotimes grabber tends to be *extremely* verbose about show, maybe too much so from what I've heard

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superdump:

thanks :)

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iamlindoro:

so you can choose what works for you

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superdump:

hehehe

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iamlindoro:

np

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highzeth:

radiotimes is good =)

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wagnerrp:

awesome... Louisiana wants to pass an internet tax to help fight cybercrime, and of course... to 'save the children'

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wagnerrp:

maybe its just me, but when I was young, the kids dumb enough to follow the creepy old guy into the van with the porthole window were the ones who *should* be left behind

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CyberKnet:

I suppose that is one way to look at it.

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wagnerrp:

oof... dead pixel on a $1600 monitor

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wagnerrp:

time to go find the admin!

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: well, todays kids will get into the van, blackmail the creepy guy for money to buy Alli and Melanotan, and post videos of themselves doing it on myspace.

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wagnerrp:

does the digital cutoff happen tonight? or tomorrow night?

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wagnerrp:

i dont even know what Alli and Melanontan are...

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GreyFoxx:

ahha me either

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wagnerrp:

i remember seeing some thing that said it would happen at 2AM, but that would put it tonight if it is supposed to happen on the 12th

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_Maybelline_:

Hello

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_Maybelline_:

Can anyone shed light on why, after a successful transcode, the "RENAME_TO_NUV" argument gets set? I'm recording to MPG, then transcoding to MPG (mpeg4), why would I want a .NUV container?

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wagnerrp:

because thats what mythtranscode does

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wagnerrp:

if you use mythtranscode, you get a nuv

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_Maybelline_:

wagnerrp: But, if I manually transcode an MPG, the last line says "Failed to rename The.Simpsons.04-18–2009.nuv.tmp to The.Simpsons.04-18–2009.nuv — File does not exist" The file that DOES exist is The.Simpsons.04-18–2009.mpg

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_Maybelline_:

and .mpg.tmp

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_Maybelline_:

Then, it loses my file.

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wagnerrp:

well that sounds like something is broken

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wagnerrp:

if you do a lossless transcode, where all it does is clip the commercials and then fixes the cutpoints, it will stay in an mpeg container

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wagnerrp:

any other kind of transcode will be a nuv, regardless of what file extension it may have

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_Maybelline_:

wagnerrp: OK, that's good info. Thanks.

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mr_claus:

hi, i try to get mythfrontend running with a EX15000g, i gave up because the tv-out is more as terrible, now i think about to use that board as mythbackend, would be the performance ok as backend with pvr-150 card(s)?

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wagnerrp:

old VIA systems are painful to use as frontends

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wagnerrp:

and next to worthless for HD frontends

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wagnerrp:

however, it should be fine for a backend with mpeg encoders and digital tuners

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mr_claus:

ok, i will try to get it running, should be much easier as to get it running as frontend, now i'm just looking for a new frontend which is doing tv-out out of the box

[17:01:16]

mr_claus:

i have read the mythwiki pages, there are a lot of systems listed, whats about icy box?

[17:01:22]

meshe:

pick something with and nividia card/chipset

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mr_claus:

probably it's not working because i didn't find anything

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wagnerrp:

icy box? never heard of it

[17:02:18]

mr_claus:

http://www.raidsonic.de/de/pages/products/ext . . . bjectID=5522

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meshe:

actually, if you're not recording hidef, any atom board will work, not sure about tv out on those though

[17:03:05]

mr_claus:

the big problem is always the tv-out, sometimes black borders around the picture, sometimes a terrible picture, sometimes no picture

[17:03:20]

mr_claus:

the frontend itself is running fine on the most systems

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meshe:

black borders can be fixed in myth

[17:03:50]

wagnerrp:

ive found the svideo out on modern nvidia cards to be surprisingly good

[17:04:04]

wagnerrp:

black borders cannot be fixed in myth

[17:04:17]

meshe:

composite/s-video give crappy output compared to what you see on your monitor

[17:04:38]

mr_claus:

i have tested a lot with openchrome until now, probably is used days/weeks to get it running

[17:04:38]

wagnerrp:

black borders (on the UI at least) can only be fixed (if they can be fixed at all) by tweeking the overscan settings in your drivers

[17:04:58]

wagnerrp:

overscanning CAN be fixed within mythtv

[17:05:16]

wagnerrp:

and black borders within the recorded video can be fixed with the zoom modes

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meshe:

my nvidia 6200 has the overscan settings, i heard that newer 8000+ cards it may have been removed

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i dont have overscan control on any of my 8000 cards

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wagnerrp:

but ive found that things look better on my 8000 without special overscan settings, and just using the mythtv scaling ability, than they did on my old 6200

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mr_claus:

what you think about the icy box?

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meshe:

i switched to vga when i got my new tv, still using the 6200 and it's phenomenally better

[17:08:54]

wagnerrp:

mr_claus: you cannot run mythtv on it, if thats what youre asking

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wagnerrp:

whether or not UPnP works with it... i cant say

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mr_claus:

wagnerrp: why? wrong chipset?

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iamlindoro:

Because it's not a PC

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wagnerrp:

because its a piece of hardware

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wagnerrp:

its not a computer you can throw linux and mythtv onto

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mr_claus:

no, it's a mips cpu and there is the whole toolchain released

[17:13:03]

mr_claus:

they use linux with uclibc

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iamlindoro:

no, it's a tiny embedded processor with a Sigma DSP

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iamlindoro:

making it unusable for any actual linux multimedia use

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wagnerrp:

it would be like installing mythtv onto your phone or gameboy

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iamlindoro:

and there is no open API whatsoever for accessing that DSP

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wagnerrp:

without enough effort, and the proper documentation, you could write your own version of mythfrontend to run on it

[17:14:35]

wagnerrp:

but you cant just copy one to the other and expect it to work

[17:15:10]

mr_claus:

of course, the only way would be to integrate the myth source into the toolchain

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iamlindoro:

mr_claus: You're not understanding, there is *no* free API for accessing the hardware in that box that does the video and audio decode

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wagnerrp:

by 'write your own', i mean youre going to have to write a brand new video output routine to use the DSP

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iamlindoro:

which would require reverse engineering it

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wagnerrp:

and probably trash most of the code base, rewriting it without the QT libraries, in order to get it under the memory constraints

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mr_claus:

it's a pity, would be a nice box

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wagnerrp:

if thats what youre looking for, go pick up an ION board, and start using trunk

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wagnerrp:

or pick up an icy box, and use the upnp capability

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wagnerrp:

assuming it has a client, rather than just a server

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mr_claus:

i'm just looking for a hardware which is working with s-video, spdif-out, which is silent and work as a frontend, in best case with minimyth and nfs-boot

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wagnerrp:

if youre only doing standard definition, theres any number of SFF systems you can get

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sphery:

iamlindoro: Samsung 1TB WD-Green-wannabe, I mean, EcoGreen for $69.99 with promo code EMCLTMM28 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152173 )

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, but too tiny

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iamlindoro:

;)

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** iamlindoro pats the 5 2 TB drives that came in today **

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sphery:

yeah...

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wagnerrp:

but understand that digital may be HD

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wagnerrp:

youre getting the resolution they broadcast, at the bitrate they broadcast, and theres nothing you can do to control that

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sphery:

your 2TB's are for work?

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wagnerrp:

so if you ever want to do digital tv, you either need a halfway decent processor (Via, ARM, and Atom chips dont cut it), or you need an ION which can use the nVidia hardware decoders

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iamlindoro:

sphery: No, personal use

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sphery:

nice

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sphery:

what will you do with all those 1TB Greens?

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wagnerrp:

so you almost doubled your capacity?

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sphery:

still using them, too?

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wagnerrp:

looking to buy another glut of movies?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Gradually cycle them out, I'll probably actually bring them to work and use them here

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meshe:

2TB? how much were those?

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mr_claus:

wagnerrp: today i get standard definition, but the system should work with high definition too, you would recommend the ion system?

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iamlindoro:

meshe: $249

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sphery:

will work pay you for them?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah

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meshe:

not bad

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iamlindoro:

It ends up being close to the same effective space, but many fewer drives and leaves me lots of slots to expand into

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iamlindoro:

You know you've gone overboard when all the 1TBs are starting to feel cramped

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sphery:

and with fewer drives = lower power bill

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wagnerrp:

if you want a SFF silent machine, the ION systems are currently the only way to go

[17:30:38]

wagnerrp:

if youre willing to deal with 'quiet', there are things you can do to make a normal system inaudible

[17:30:39]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Yeah, I'll likely run the two arrays side by side for a few weeks just to make sure the 2TBs are reliable

[17:30:46]

meshe:

if you're not worried about price, the new mac mini will do great also

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sphery:

mr_claus: I, however, recommend getting a big, ugly, loud, powerful system for a frontend and putting it in another room/closet and running the wires to your TV/speakers

[17:30:49]

wagnerrp:

and you can do it in a fairly small mini-atx case

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sphery:

no SFF is prettier than invisible

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iamlindoro:

sphery ++

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sphery:

meshe: what proc on the new mini?

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meshe:

iirc 2.8 C2D

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mr_claus:

wagnerrp: i will try to find one with tv-out (svideo)

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sphery:

not bad

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meshe:

there are stats in the mailing list about it using < 30W doing 1080i

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sphery:

1080i MPEG-2?

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wagnerrp:

well its uncommon to find 1080i mpeg4

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wagnerrp:

a lot of HDDVD/Bluray claims 1080i, but its really just flagged for pullup

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wagnerrp:

its not actually interlaced

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iamlindoro:

Discovery had an unfortunate run where they dumped some of their material straight to blu ray using the original broadcast signal, that was a shame

[17:37:10]

iamlindoro:

In particular, Discovery Atlas, which was a great show and deserved a better transfer

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wagnerrp:

if i want to make fonts smaller, i set 'DPI' lower?

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meshe:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/375676

[17:40:05]

meshe:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/375775#375775

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wagnerrp:

well lets just do some trial and error...

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sphery:

wagnerrp: not any more

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sphery:

fonts are now specified by the theme and unrelated to DPI

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sphery:

so you have to edit the theme

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sphery:

or, if the fonts you don't like happen to be Qt fonts (from unthemed dialogs), you change the Qt font size

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wagnerrp:

sphery: this is standard desktop usage (or in this case laptop)

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wagnerrp:

apparently telling X that i have a 15" screen means "i run 800x600 and am blind"

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sphery:

ahhh

[17:43:46]

wagnerrp:

so if anyone asks, my laptop is actually 30"s

[17:43:54]

meshe:

he doesn't give a lot of details on what kind of media, just 5.5Mbps MPEG

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mr_claus:

wagnerrp: hmm, ion does not do tv-out it seems, only hd, so i have to use an additional gpu with tv-out

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sphery:

meshe: interesting, nonetheless

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wagnerrp:

they dont make ion boards with svideo? i know the nvidia reference box had an svideo output

[17:45:15]

wagnerrp:

i need food...

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meshe:

yeah, that second link i posted shows both cpu %'s and wattage

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mr_claus:

wagnerrp: at the moment i can only find the zotac board, there is no s-video or cinch

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meshe:

sub 30W for something that's capable of CPU decoding of HD :)

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jblack:

I have a wireless camera, wich I normally watch via mplayer (specifically, mplayer -fps 99 -cache 64 -vf pp=ac/al:f -vf-add hqdn3d=30:30:40:40 -vf-add eq2=2:.5:-.2:1.2 http://camera/img/video.asf -vo sdl )..... so....

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mr_claus:

wagnerrp: perhaps i should use a Zotac GF6200 until new boards are available

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jblack:

Is there a way to integrate that with myth?

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meshe:

i have a feeling that tvout is going by the wayside as pretty much all tv's now support component or dvi or vga or hdmi

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wagnerrp:

i hadnt even thought about it, but my new frontend doesnt have tv-out either

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wagnerrp:

looks like you have no choice but to buy a full system

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sphery:

jblack: see the examples of EXEC in the menus

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jblack:

sphery: Thanks

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wagnerrp:

jblack: you may want to look into zoneminder, and mythzoneminder

[18:00:28]

wagnerrp:

however i dont know if that plugin will have a lasting future with mythtv

[18:00:35]

sphery:

jblack: and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Menu_theme_develop . . . Helpful_Tips

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jblack:

Ohh, mythzoneminder

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wagnerrp:

i know mythphone got axed, and some people wanted to do the same with mythzoneminder if noone picked it up to maintain

[18:04:59]

wagnerrp:

although that may have just been some vocal users wanting it canned so they wouldnt need to theme it... *cough*

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jblack:

Yeah. I remember that.

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jblack:

I'm not sure anyone used it for anything other than callerid anyways.

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wagnerrp:

videophone is just one more of those things that the future came and we didnt really want it

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Not so much, that, whether it stays through .22 or not, I'm not theming it either way

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wagnerrp:

heh, ok

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iamlindoro:

It's already too much to have to theme the scheduling stuff that I never use :)

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sphery:

callerid with the mythui'ed/available in menus and playback equivalent of mythtvosd would be a much better way of doing callerid, IMHO

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sphery:

of course, we don't yet have that functionality, but...

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wagnerrp:

sphery: better deal might be the 1TB Blacks for $58, although thats after rebate, and youre looking at an extra $0.15/mo or so

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sphery:

wagnerrp: nice... hadn't seen those.

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sphery:

I'm good on storage, now... Just amazed at how fast price is dropping

[19:09:14]

sphery:

(especially since very few users actually have need for such large drives--though, I suppose, that's never stopped them from buying, before)

[19:10:08]

sphery:

they're good for video, but it takes a /lot/ of Word/Excel/etc. to fill up a TB+ HDD...

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jblack:

80 bucks for a tb?

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jblack:

Heh. It's not over either. I see WD is selling a 2tb drive for $250

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wagnerrp:

ive seen them as low as $220

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jblack:

For that size, same difference.

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wagnerrp:

but the 2TB still have a long way to go

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wagnerrp:

since you can get 3TB for < $200 at the smaller sizes

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jblack:

Oh, 3s are out?

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wagnerrp:

no, 2x1.5 or 3x1.0

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sphery:

he means 3 of the $60 1TB's

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wagnerrp:

theres a deal dell has currently where its 2x1.5 for $200

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jblack:

sure.

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jblack:

I remember building a 240 gig array back in '99 or so, out of 40 gig drives. I was so thrilled... "a quarter terrabyte for only about $700"

[19:36:34]

jblack:

Unforutnatley, they were the IBM death drives.

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XLV:

that 2TB WD is 20EADS and not a 7200rpm hdd

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XLV:

5900rpm or so, so its a bit slower in seeks

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wagnerrp:

XLV... kindof

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sphery:

I have a Hitachi version (Deskstar) that's been clicking for >8mos, but the dumb thing won't die. It's like they designed them to take forever to actually fail once they start to fail.

[19:38:41]

wagnerrp:

it scales from 5400–7200 as needed

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wagnerrp:

so it is a bit slower, but only until it decided it should spin up

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sphery:

but it's not like Myth needs fast :)

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XLV:

wagnerrp, well, i read contradictory things about that, most sites come to conclusion its fixed rpm not spining up and down

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XLV:

that would be very stressful for the hdd too i assume

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wagnerrp:

why?

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XLV:

they dont like spining up/down when power save features kick in, much less from 5400 to 7200 and back many times a min

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wagnerrp:

who says you do it several times a minute

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wagnerrp:

that 5400rpm is like a secondary idle mode

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wagnerrp:

much lower power than 7200, but you dont have to wait a couple seconds for it to spin up before you can use it

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sphery:

Wow, so my cookies haven't been lasting more than about 5mins for about a week, now. I finally did a clear all private data (which I haven't done on this system for >1yr) and all is fine, now.

[19:41:38]

jblack:

Besides, the difference between 0 and 7200 and 5400 and 7200 are significant

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sphery:

Either some corrupt SQLite DB's or they reach a point where they're overwhelmed.

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XLV:

wagnerrp, well, had a dispute with some owners of such hdds in a local forum here... one of them things drive is spinning from 5400 to 7200, other says its fixed

[19:42:52]

wagnerrp:

sphery: i havent cleared my cookies on my windows machine since i started copying over my firefox directory, which was some time back in 2004

[19:43:02]

jblack:

xlv: Ok. Whatever.

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XLV:

the one that claims it does, says it even produces different sould pitch

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XLV:

s/sould/sound

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wagnerrp:

XLV: well i dont know for certain, but if its fixed, that seems like a false advertising lawsuit waiting to happen

[19:43:33]

XLV:

i dont know either, thats why i ask

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jblack:

I imagine that if he has something doing constant reads, that the drive may never idle down.

[19:44:17]

wagnerrp:

maybe constant log hits

[19:44:25]

jblack:

I was thinking bittorrent. :)

[19:44:39]

sphery:

wagnerrp: perhaps it was just a corrupt .sqlite file

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sphery:

definitely annoying, though

[19:44:53]

wagnerrp:

any decent bittorrent client should have some amount of memory caching

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wagnerrp:

specifically to NOT incur constant hard drive access

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XLV:

jblack, and also, doesnt it seem strange that in all that time from 75 that the whole mech hdd concept is developing, WD did it only now? and only them at least yet? and that they dont use it in hdds more geared towards power conservation, eg for laptop hdds?

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wagnerrp:

XLV: if you want a low power laptop, you just buy a 5400rpm drive

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jblack:

xlv: Completely makes sense to me. I think we're near the end of size differentiation, so they're going to power savings to be different.

[19:46:10]

sphery:

I'll take a 3-state, 4200/5400/7500 RPM laptop HDD

[19:46:26]

sphery:

(of course, I'd just lock it to 4200, so I might as well just get a 4200...)

[19:46:28]

wagnerrp:

i think the original drive on my laptop was 4200

[19:46:31]

jblack:

I'll take a ssd once they work out the kinks. :)

[19:47:00]

wagnerrp:

actually, it was a travelstar too, and it died after about 8 months

[19:47:07]

wagnerrp:

go go IBM!

[19:47:11]

jblack:

good ole ibm. :)

[19:47:15]

sphery:

now hitachi, right?

[19:47:19]

jblack:

They're out of that game now.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, they sold it off

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sphery:

(unless you mean really old)

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XLV:

or it could be that they are preparing to go to SSDs in all other areas and leave hdds for settop PVR and such machines, where a 3.5" large capacity low power/noise/consumption is ideal

[19:47:38]

XLV:

anyhow

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XLV:

i'd guess i could buy a wd green and see for myself

[19:47:57]

wagnerrp:

PVRs dont use high capacity drives

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jblack:

And noise is important. :)

[19:48:28]

wagnerrp:

theyre usually only a couple hundred GB

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XLV:

wagnerrp, yeah, they seem to lag.. i have seen 640GB sony hdd & dvd recorders i think

[19:48:51]

XLV:

500GB certainly

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sphery:

and now, it looks like rather than increasing STB PVR HDD capacity, they're just adding eSATA/USB HDD support

[19:49:32]

sphery:

so you get the PVR, then upgrade storage yourself

[19:49:45]

jblack:

Bleh. ssd's are still expensive.

[19:50:20]

sphery:

gotta wait until the market moves on to "The Next Big Thing"

[19:50:23]

wagnerrp:

i would much rather have a hybrid drive

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sphery:

then they'll get cheap

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wagnerrp:

something like 16–32GB of cache built onto a hard drive

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XLV:

the yamakawa hdd dvd recorder i had, had a trapdoor to change hdd, was very easy.. havent checked the new samsung i got, if it has trapdoor, or you lose warranty with hdd upgrade

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wagnerrp:

i mean i like a lot of space, but i have no need to quickly access most of that data

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jblack:

Hmmm. $3 a gig sound about right?

[19:52:27]

wagnerrp:

for an SSD? maybe the cheaper ones

[19:52:46]

wagnerrp:

i think the high end ones (X25-E and such) are still more expensive that that

[19:53:43]

jblack:

OCZ will sell ya a 120 gig drive for 1300. They're pretty far out of the pocket, it seems

[19:54:30]

wagnerrp:

just a couple GB of whatever windows needs on boot, maybe all the files for the current game im playing, and a cache of whatever modifications ive made since the last time the drive spooled down

[19:54:49]

wagnerrp:

16GB should be more than plenty for most purposes

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jblack:

16GB should be plenty for anybody. :)

[19:55:21]

wagnerrp:

i remember that was supposed to be the big thing when Vista came out, and then it completely fizzled

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jblack:

The readydrive thing?

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wagnerrp:

jblack: im not going to say that... ive got like 8TB of drives sitting at home

[19:55:59]

jblack:

Yeah. The performance wasn't there.

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wagnerrp:

but for most operations, id say i use far less than 10GB on a day-to-day basis

[19:56:55]

jblack:

I think you'd be better off with ram that drive cache.

[19:57:43]

jblack:

Then it can go to dcache, or texture cache, or ... or... etc

[19:58:26]

wagnerrp:

yeah, but then youre talking an extra 50–100W consumption for that extra memory, not to mention several times the cost, and a server board to have enough slots

[19:59:16]

XLV:

a i7 can take up to 24GB ( and soon will be at sensible cost ) .. 4GB ddr3 dimms are currently expensive but will soon come down in price

[19:59:33]

wagnerrp:

well an i7 costs as much as a server board

[19:59:44]

wagnerrp:

i still dont think you can buy a board for under $200

[19:59:51]

jblack:

I think intel chips have been able to address 64gb for years with windowing.

[19:59:58]

wagnerrp:

and the 6-slot ones are more expensive

[20:00:01]

jblack:

Like "since the p3" or so.

[20:00:01]

XLV:

for i7? there are some x58 for 150–160$

[20:00:18]

wagnerrp:

oh? seems theyve dropped in price considerably in the last couple months

[20:00:19]

XLV:

dual xeon nehalem board from asus ( asus z8 series ) for 260$ or so

[20:00:49]

XLV:

that takes registered ddr3, where 4GB ddr3 dimms are much more economical..

[20:01:09]

wagnerrp:

yeah, seems FB-DIMMs flopped hard

[20:01:44]

jblack:

Hmm. memory's still tsuck at 2 gig sticks ?

[20:01:51]

wagnerrp:

seems the cheapest 6-slot board is $185

[20:02:04]

XLV:

nehalem xeon doesnt use fb-dimm

[20:02:13]

XLV:

common registered ecc ddr3

[20:02:34]

wagnerrp:

right, but most of the old Core2 Xeon systems required FB-DIMMs

[20:02:37]

XLV:

s15xx multi cpu nehalem xeons may use fb-dimms

[20:02:43]

jblack:

I would have thought by now there'd be 4 gig and even 8 gig sticks.

[20:03:10]

wagnerrp:

no, im pretty sure its been dropped all together

[20:03:36]

wagnerrp:

just like AMD and their external memory splitter (GMX?)

[20:04:48]

wagnerrp:

jblack: there are 4GB DDR2 modules, but i dont see any DDR3

[20:05:15]

wagnerrp:

of course when you can already get 12GB on a desktop, there isnt a whole lot of demand

[20:05:38]

wagnerrp:

servers are the only real market for gobs of memory

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ACExTechGeek:

i have a nehlem cpu and there are 4gb sticks avalable

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wagnerrp:

not yet on newegg

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ACExTechGeek:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?It . . . ;Tpk=corsair

[20:09:21]

ACExTechGeek:

there is the closest i could find

[20:09:42]

ACExTechGeek:

theyre not ddr3 but theyre 4gb sticks

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wagnerrp:

right, there are 4GB DDR2 modules, but no DD3 on newegg

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ACExTechGeek:

ok

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wagnerrp:

ive seen 8GB modules as well, but anything above 2 is rare outside the server market

[20:11:13]

wagnerrp:

although even last year, anything above 1 was rare outside the server market

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ACExTechGeek:

well whenever they get to the desktop market i know some board already support 4gbx6 setups

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wagnerrp:

yeah, most of the boards on newegg claim 24GB support

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ACExTechGeek:

yeah there was a round of bios updates that was adressing that

[20:12:19]

wagnerrp:

and they would probably work just fine with 48GB of memory if you could find it

[20:12:31]

ACExTechGeek:

do you know how to properly install the mythtv backend?

[20:12:32]

wagnerrp:

considering the controller is now part of the chip, rather than something the motherboard has control over

[20:12:42]

wagnerrp:

what is your problem?

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ACExTechGeek:

i cant seem to get it recognizing my capture card

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ACExTechGeek:

i am trying to get it up using dvb

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wagnerrp:

does the dvb card show up in /dev/dvb?

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wagnerrp:

should be a folder named 'adaptor0'

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ACExTechGeek:

yeah there is one

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ACExTechGeek:

the card is a PcHDTV hd 3000

[20:14:13]

wagnerrp:

then it should just get auto-detected by mythtv-setup, if you tell it to add a dvb card

[20:14:29]

ACExTechGeek:

well when i open mythtv i get stuck on the config

[20:14:34]

ACExTechGeek:

it trys to setup a database

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wagnerrp:

so you havent gotten to the point of setting up the card yet?

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ACExTechGeek:

well they said with the new kernel it sould not be an issue

[20:16:17]

wagnerrp:

the TUNER CARD should not be an issue

[20:16:23]

ACExTechGeek:

yeah

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sphery:

what distro?

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wagnerrp:

but you still have to set up the database before you can do anything with mythtv

[20:16:43]

ACExTechGeek:

fedora 11

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wagnerrp:

the only thing mythtv does not store in the database is a small xml file indicating how to access the database

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sphery:

I /highly/ recommend a Myth distro--MythDora for people who know RedHat/Fedora or MythBuntu for people who know Ubuntu or LinHES for those who know Arch

[20:17:08]

sphery:

they generally make all that stuff automatic

[20:17:16]

sphery:

so, MythDora would be perfect for you

[20:17:22]

ACExTechGeek:

im lookin at it

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sphery:

(and, yeah, it may not be F11, but do you /really/ need F11--plus all it's not-yet-alpha-tested problems :)

[20:17:55]

sphery:

its

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ACExTechGeek:

um

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ACExTechGeek:

i was looking to run it on the fedora platform

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ACExTechGeek:

not as a standalone

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sphery:

MythDora is Fedora (don't know which, but since it's MythDora 10.21, I'd guess F10)

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sphery:

it's just already configured for Myth.

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ACExTechGeek:

hm

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sphery:

so you can give F11 some time to cook and use MD 10.21 for a while

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Hoxzer_:

Hello.

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ACExTechGeek:

F11 is working except for getting that configured

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sphery:

especially for first-time configuration, a Myth distro is the way to go

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ACExTechGeek:

well id just like to get this finished on f11

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sphery:

in other words, "F11 is working, so now all you have to do is unconfigure all the things that don't work with Myth, like PulseAudio and ..., then reconfigure for Myth, then install and configure Myth"

[20:20:49]

sphery:

or you could just use MythDora, which is Fedora already configured for Myth :)

[20:20:56]

ACExTechGeek:

good thing im not using pulse

[20:21:05]

ACExTechGeek:

im using alsa

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sphery:

you do realize that F11 uses Pulse by default, right?

[20:21:29]

ACExTechGeek:

i had to change it

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wagnerrp:

check one of the mythtv howtos, there should be one for fedora that will walk you through getting mysql installed and the database set up

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ACExTechGeek:

alright

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wagnerrp:

theres not much use coming in here asking for help until you read a howto

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ACExTechGeek:

the guides i had up before didnt answer that setup question

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ACExTechGeek:

im going to try this one now

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wagnerrp:

any guide worth reading should at least mention that you need to set up the database

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wagnerrp:

or be specifically tuned to some installer that does it for you

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wagnerrp:

if youre using one of the myth-specific distros, trying to read documentation for the standalone release, or asking questions of people who have only used the standalone release, is just going to make you more confused

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wagnerrp:

and visa-versa

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ACExTechGeek:

ok

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SHADOW_V:

any good show recommendations?

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iamlindoro:

Presumably ones on during the summer?

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dustybin:

peepshow

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iamlindoro:

In which case, cooking shows and travel shows

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dustybin:

new series out soon

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dustybin:

iamlindoro: are you looking forward to snow leopard?

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wagnerrp:

you can always fall back on Survivor reruns

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: They weren't any good when they were Survivor first-runs :)

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SHADOW_V:

any shows in general i have become quit bored with whats currently on

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but on the reruns, you can impress your friends and guess who's going to get kicked off

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kormoc:

Top Chef!

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SHADOW_V:

no no top chef

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SHADOW_V:

no cooking shows unless i am cooking or going to cook soon after why would i watch a cook show

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iamlindoro:

because learning about food is fun and educational

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SHADOW_V:

i want more fringe

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wagnerrp:

give you some ideas? im always indecisive on what i want to eat

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iamlindoro:

and leads you to try new things

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SHADOW_V:

sure it is

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SHADOW_V:

yeah i have no problem trying new things but in my current situation i cant whip up that kind of food

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schlazor:

SHADOW_V: where are you and what programming do you have available to you?

[20:51:52]

wagnerrp:

if you can follow directions, those shows really arent all that hard to copy

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SHADOW_V:

snow leopard seems good especially that its not expensive

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wagnerrp:

SHADOW_V: well the 'expense' is that you already bought the Mac

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SHADOW_V:

wagnerrp, yeah i know i meant food options available to me and purchasing the food for it

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iamlindoro:

It's not expensive because it's got next to no new features

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SHADOW_V:

wagnerrp, right if you bought one after wwdc its 10 bucks

[20:52:44]

iamlindoro:

It's all bugfixes and usability improvements

[20:53:04]

SHADOW_V:

it improves on the architecture

[20:53:06]

SHADOW_V:

and its faster

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SHADOW_V:

yay for that

[20:53:18]

iamlindoro:

Heh, yay for marketspeak?

[20:53:26]

SHADOW_V:

yup

[20:53:34]

iamlindoro:

They themselves have said this is just a refinement of Leopard

[20:53:43]

iamlindoro:

it still costs the normal arm+leg to upgrade from 10.4

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SHADOW_V:

i am currently trying to figure out where i am going to find the funds to get my first mbp

[20:53:54]

wagnerrp:

i dont understand the whole claim about snowleopard supporting GPGPU processing

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wagnerrp:

does that mean the internals are going to start using it for various operations?

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SHADOW_V:

thats what it seems like

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: They've abstraced OpenCL even further in their own API, AIUI

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schlazor:

wagnerrp: yes, but only if you have very specific GPUs

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dustybin:

snow leopard will have exchange support built in

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wagnerrp:

so its like UPnP vs. DNLA

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wagnerrp:

it adds nothing to the spec besides putting restrictions on it?

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dustybin:

quicktime has been updated

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dustybin:

you dont need crappy new eye candy for a upgrade

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iamlindoro:

Well, you could still use the regular OpenCL API, I think they've just added some niceties for common functions

[20:56:02]

wagnerrp:

oh happy day! quicktime

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wagnerrp:

im convinced quicktime is a conspiracy on apple's part

[20:56:38]

wagnerrp:

they make it run like ass on windows, so you can show it running on a Mac to people to show how much greater their systems are

[20:56:39]

schlazor:

does that whole "we'll play this if you buy a $20 codec" thing still cripple quicktime?

[20:56:40]

dustybin:

i wonder if snow leopard will be able to play blu-rays

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dustybin:

as in movies

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wagnerrp:

why is Nacho Libre playing on Cartoon Network in the middle of the evening

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wagnerrp:

looks like theyre picking up a lot of not-cartoons

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dustybin:

this channel should be renamed to #dave – the home of witty banter

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wagnerrp:

witty banter?

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dustybin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_(TV_channel)

[20:59:17]

dustybin:

my favourite channel :P

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wagnerrp:

well then technically, it would have to be '##dave', but i dont consider anything in here recently to be witty banter

[20:59:59]

wagnerrp:

this is just normal complaints and discussion

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wagnerrp:

if you consider it witty, your bar is set far too low

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dustybin:

LOL

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dustybin:

im in the process of building a workstation

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dustybin:

server class hardware in a desktop

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schlazor:

anyone know if any mpls, mn usa locals are changing frequency or dialing up transmitter power during the switch?

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iamlindoro:

tvfool.com

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iamlindoro:

you're able to check that there

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wagnerrp:

thats the one i was trying to think of, you mentioned that site a couple days ago

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iamlindoro:

yeah, it's pretty good, if a bit dense informationwise

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schlazor:

thanks, i checked all the stations websites but they have no engineering info on them. figures.

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squidly:

does anyone know if comcast is killing analog tv with the digital switch comeing?

[21:26:18]

wagnerrp:

partially

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squidly:

wagnerrp: what do you mean by that?

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schlazor:

squidly: depends on where you are but yes eventually it'll go away

[21:26:44]

wagnerrp:

they have begun dropping large sections of analog cable, and replacing them by DTAs

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squidly:

that force me to get one of their setup boxes to use right?

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wagnerrp:

a little $1/mo rented box, that is effectively a ClearQAM tuner and a svideo output

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SHADOW_V1:

no when they replace you can use qam

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iamlindoro:

0$ a month

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iamlindoro:

for a year, anyway

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iamlindoro:

x2 per household

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schlazor:

until they encrypt it

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wagnerrp:

which means you dont even bother getting them, and you just buy your own QAM tuner to use with mythtv

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squidly:

wagnerrp: yea that is what I will be doing

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iamlindoro:

schlazor: The boxes they are handing out don't have any form of encryption that can be legally used, so that can't encrypt it without getting a waiver from the FCC or a new law passed

[21:28:39]

wagnerrp:

right, the DTAs have some minimal crypto hardware, but since it is embedded, they cannot use it (unless/until they get a waiver by the FCC)

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schlazor:

oh really? fabulous

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iamlindoro:

ruhly :)

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wagnerrp:

FCC mandates that the crypto hardware in devices be modular, under the expectation that you get the crypto module from the cableco and then you can use any STB you want

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wagnerrp:

not that it has actually worked out that way

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schlazor:

def not

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schlazor:

$1000 says they get a waiver within 10 years

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schlazor:

;)

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squidly:

wagnerrp: that is the cablecard thing right?

[21:30:35]

wagnerrp:

i think within 10 years, it will all be a moot point anyway

[21:31:08]

wagnerrp:

cablecard was one (rather limited) modular spec

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squidly:

wagnerrp: so basically I can get somethign from comcast to let me get all their encrypted channels?

[21:32:03]

squidly:

as long as I pay for it. right?

[21:32:13]

wagnerrp:

if you have a device that supports cablecard, sure

[21:32:46]

wagnerrp:

there are some TVs and DVRs you can get that will do that

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CyberKnet:

Seriously. Try getting a cablecard capture card for linux. Will. Not. Happen.

[21:33:05]

wagnerrp:

there are also some tuners you can get with a prebuilt system

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wagnerrp:

CyberKnet: its called a TiVo

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CyberKnet:

No commercial skip, no time stretch, no thanks.

[21:33:45]

CyberKnet:

This is the price I pay.

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squidly:

yea I'm not worried about it to be honist. I was mostly currious.. so I need to really start looking at ClearQAM cards soon

[21:34:22]

wagnerrp:

tivo doesnt do that 'skip 30 seconds' thing anymore?

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CyberKnet:

Maybe it does, but that's not the feature I want.

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sphery:

I thought people stopped using that because they liked hearing the "bip-boop" of ffwd

[21:35:48]

wagnerrp:

anyway, youll never get support for a cablecard tuner, until you pay into the cablecard licensing, and promise to follow along with copy-once/copy-never rules

[21:36:31]

squidly:

what is a good ClearQAM card for MythTV that is under or around $100, the pvr-1600 or what?

[21:36:45]

wagnerrp:

1250 is a nice card, $50

[21:36:52]

wagnerrp:

assuming you have no need for analog

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sphery:

HVR-1600 is only useful if you want both digital and analog

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sphery:

(only useful upgrade, I mean)

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schlazor:

i have a couple kworld atsc 110s that were like $30 but i think they are hard to find now

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squidly:

For now I want to be able to do both, so I may just get one then get a 1250

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squidly:

schlazor: I tried a kworld.. I forget what one.. didnt like how it worked

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schlazor:

squidly: only annoying thing is remembering to download the firmware and figuring out where to plug in the antenna. otherwise a rock solid card

[21:39:19]

squidly:

schlazor: that I must have had a bad one

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squidly:

it was hard to use

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schlazor:

squidly: yeah hauppage definitely makes a better quality product but i'm super cheap

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squidly:

lol, I try to be cheap

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nambo:

super cheap usually equates to subpar hardware

[21:40:38]

nambo:

some good whitebox hardware

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squidly:

but I've found that going to cheap over spending a little bit more and getting good quality is usualy worth it in the long run

[21:40:52]

nambo:

just buy smart

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squidly:

nambo: pretty much

[21:40:59]

nambo:

don't buy cheap, but smart

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schlazor:

nambo: ok, so i do my homework and get the cheapest workable solution

[21:41:05]

kormoc:

Buy at S-Mart!

[21:41:09]

nambo:

spend $10 more for that seagate drive

[21:41:15]

kormoc:

ugh

[21:41:17]

nambo:

because Hitachi is cr*p

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sphery:

wow... http://www.factorydirect.ca/catalog/product_s . . . pcode=HA7111 --refurb, but wow

[21:41:24]

kormoc:

spend $10 less for a western digital ;)

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nambo:

kormoc: amen brutha

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CyberKnet:

truth.

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** nambo <3s his TB Seagate Baracudas **

[21:42:00]

CyberKnet:

No seagate for me thank you. Not since the bricks.

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sphery:

wonder how much $24.99 CA is--but whatever, it sounds like a very low price for an HVR-1600

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nambo:

cyber: i haven't seen a bad seagate drive, in awhile

[21:42:39]

nambo:

i mean... bad, like in a line of drives

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sphery:

too bad Ottowa is so far away

[21:42:50]

nambo:

i see bad drives, with bad sectors, all the time

[21:43:11]

nambo:

Seagate drives come with 5 year warranties, that's pretty good for a hd

[21:43:14]

CyberKnet:

nambo: are you being serious?

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schlazor:

$1 US = $1.1027

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schlazor:

ca

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nambo:

cyber: quite

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squidly:

nambo: I will do them now that they fixed the brick issues

[21:43:39]

CyberKnet:

nambo: http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfser . . . DocId=207931

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squidly:

though WB does the 5 year warranty as well

[21:44:00]

nambo:

squidly: they're fine, that's old news

[21:44:08]

sphery:

I think the drive/flight to Ottowa or Scarborough would make it a losing proposition, but if anyone in that area is looking for a cheap HVR-1600...

[21:44:38]

kormoc:

the singlular fact that Seagate breaks SMART standards is enough to keep me away from them

[21:44:55]

CyberKnet:

nambo: well, the first round of firmware fixes just bricked the drive completely. I realize they warranty them, and that the next firmware supposedly fixed it ... but I think that I'll steer clear of them for the time being just as a precaution.

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CyberKnet:

WD for me, thanks.

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nambo:

that's with dells

[21:45:10]

CyberKnet:

kormoc: aaah. I didn't know that.

[21:45:10]

nambo:

note to self: dells suck

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nambo:

:P

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squidly:

nambo: when I got my 1tb drives it was during that whole issue

[21:45:26]

squidly:

nambo: their desktops are not that bad

[21:45:39]

squidly:

I would not use thier servers for anything critical though

[21:45:43]

nambo:

squidly: their desktops are crap, i've worked on them for years

[21:45:47]

nambo:

their servers are ok

[21:45:56]

nambo:

poweredge servers are actually pretty nice

[21:46:02]

schlazor:

man, i hate everyone who likes emacs better than vi

[21:46:08]

nambo:

their laptops are the worst

[21:46:18]

nambo:

i could ramble for pages why not to buy a dell laptop

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squidly:

schlazor: then I guess you hate me. I use emacs for quite a bit.. vi is ok when I'm very space limited

[21:46:26]

squidly:

nambo: HAHA yea I agree there

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highzeth:

CyberKnet: same here, samsung & seagate's have all failed over the last year for me. WD? Not a single one, 250/500/1TB both regular & GP ones.

[21:46:33]

** squidly <3's my lenovo **

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kormoc:

http://seagate.custkb.com/seagate/crm/selfser . . . Hilite=SMART

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schlazor:

squidly: joking, sarcastically pointing out that we're sliding into holy wars over personal preferences

[21:47:20]

kormoc:

"Seagate does not provide support for software programs that claim to read individual SMART attributes and thresholds."

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squidly:

schlazor: lol yea true

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kormoc:

"The individual attributes and threshold values are proprietary and we do not offer a utility that will read out the values"

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highzeth:

I couldnt care less if they got 10 years warranty, if they fail within a year of usage, they are useless to me

[21:47:56]

sphery:

kormoc: what, you don't want to shut down and reboot into SeaTools?

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kormoc:

Heh

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** iamlindoro twitches and thinks about the 43 drives he sent back to Seagate this year **

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kormoc:

it's silly to do that after every false SMART failure :)

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sphery:

that's why I only do it after the real SMART failures

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kormoc:

Tell us the magic you use to tell the false from the real!

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sphery:

of course, the only way to know that the SMART failures were real is to realize that the drive isn't working at all anymore...

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nambo:

sphery: Seatools > *

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kormoc:

ugh

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kormoc:

standard utils > Seatools...

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nambo:

kormoc: which standard utils? :P

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kormoc:

nambo, smartctl?

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** nambo loves to know what other ppl use **

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kormoc:

nambo, my linux server shouldn't have to reboot into DOS to verify drive health...

[21:49:47]

nambo:

i use seatools and ibm drive fitness test

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nambo:

and pc check

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nambo:

pcdos, it's not microsh*t

[21:50:16]

nambo:

hehe

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sphery:

so you use SeaTools for Windows?

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nambo:

no, i use it onboot

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sphery:

as they don't have a GNU/Linux version

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nambo:

iso

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nambo:

pcdos based

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sphery:

ah... yeah, that's how I do it--when I have to, right before RMA'ing the drive

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kormoc:

which is absolutely useless for a 24x7 linux server to actively monitor drive health, unlike *every* other drive manufacturer out there...

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nambo:

you have to

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nambo:

well, linux filesystems > MS FAT, FAT16, FAT32, NTFS, etc

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nambo:

MS is working with 15–20 year old technology

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sphery:

current NTFS isn't too bad, actually

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kormoc:

My western digitals tell me before the fail so I can you know, replace the drive before it fails and data might be loss...

[21:52:06]

schlazor:

i was gonna say

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schlazor:

ext3 vs ntfs

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sphery:

if not for the proprietary garbage

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kormoc:

the whole following standards thing...

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schlazor:

might be a tough battle

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nambo:

sphery: true, but it still has issues

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nambo:

like how the drive is read

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nambo:

try recovering data from a ext3 part

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highzeth:

kormoc: right you are, only ones did smartd get confused about a drive, it lasted a whole month longer than smartd thought it would ;)

[21:52:50]

nambo:

it's not that bad or hard

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nambo:

now try from a ntfs part

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nambo:

ext3 you use dd_rescue, job's done

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nambo:

ntfs is a pain in the a**

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kormoc:

ugh

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iamlindoro:

sigh

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kormoc:

this is just worthless textual dribble at this point

[21:53:50]

sphery:

ext3 you use dd_rescue until the HDD completely fails, then you have a bunch of partial files...

[21:54:17]

iamlindoro:

This is reading like a CompUSA tech training manual

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nambo:

dd_rescue will write around bad sectors

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CyberKnet:

When is the part about reasons for upselling Monster Cables?

[21:54:47]

nambo:

CompUSA training manual? lol

[21:54:54]

** iamlindoro hands CyberKnet some $500 Cat6 **

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CyberKnet:

lower impedence, clearer audio, superior digital link ... woooo

[21:55:15]

nambo:

i'm a reseller for ESS, i know they won't touch this crap... :P

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CyberKnet:

iamlindoro: and I can plug it in, because the directionality is clearly marked!

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sphery:

nambo: and, really, you don't want to use dd_rescue, you should use GNU ddrescue

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nambo:

sphery: most comps i do recovery work on, are ntfs

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nambo:

so ddrescue or dd_Rescue doesn't work as well as getfilesback

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kormoc:

http://www.hifi-products.com/Transparent,Cabl . . . icFront.html

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kormoc:

$33,000 for a 8" speaker cable

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nambo:

cheesy name for a program, but it's pretty good, takes forever

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nambo:

kormoc: wow!

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CyberKnet:

wow!

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CyberKnet:

I hope the assembled that one atom at a time!

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: Yes, a new champion!

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sphery:

well, my only attempt (which set my policy to never need to recover data from a failing HDD) got most of the data from 2 files (one 1.25GB one 600MB), then on the 3rd the HDD failed completely--trying to read the data from bad sectors worked the drive to its death

[21:58:15]

iamlindoro:

look at those sexy "content spades"

[21:58:36]

iamlindoro:

Which those born < 80s remember as the UHF connectors

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nambo:

kormoc: funny the degrees ppl will go to to lower impedence

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nambo:

there's probably over an oz of gold in that

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AndyCap:

wonder if it's actual carbon fibre or just well, fake, like the rest of it. :)

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kormoc:

"To keep resonance from obscuring the nuances of the music signal as it travels through the cable"

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nambo:

god, that's insane

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kormoc:

that's awesome that physical motion changes the electrons around!

[22:00:03]

nambo:

you know, i spent about $175 running speaker cable to my back porch

[22:00:08]

nambo:

and i thought that was alot

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AndyCap:

"thrilling levels of performance in low level information retrieval" The what now?

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schlazor:

at some poing hiring the band to play live for you might be cheaper

[22:00:31]

** iamlindoro pokes AndyCap with a content spade **

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nambo:

lmao

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nambo:

yeah, Jimmy Buffet only charges $100k per concert

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nambo:

heh

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AndyCap:

the most amazing thing about all this hifi crap is the fact that they're not even building an instrument, just a bloody sound reproduction system, for CD or in the best case SACD.

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sphery:

I still like the directional ethernet cable from (?) Denon?

[22:02:21]

AndyCap:

ah, the denon link

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sphery:

http://www.usa.denon.com/productdetails/3429.asp – note the arrows

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AndyCap:

I'm sure some perv has made a high end cable for it

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AndyCap:

because the manufacturer cable must be crap

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kormoc:

"Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer."

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kormoc:

Yay!

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iamlindoro:

hmmm, needs more signal

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AndyCap:

that way, or the other. whatever. :)

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kormoc:

"With that cable, I get my full 100 mbit speed out of my ethernet"

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AndyCap:

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/06/20/denon_cable/

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sphery:

yeah, you really wouldn't want to send the signals th wrong way

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iamlindoro:

Actually, speaking of things that need more signal, welcome all to #mythtv-users

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AndyCap:

we get signal

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sphery:

SNR is low

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iamlindoro:

Not to mention the copious amounts of bit error

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iamlindoro:

leading one to check the calendar to see if it's September

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AndyCap:

iamlindoro: it has been since 1996 or so

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iamlindoro:

Inddedy

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iamlindoro:

er Indeedy

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AndyCap:

nothing that hyperbaric ethernet won't fix

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AndyCap:

sorry, polarized hyperbaric ethernet.

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sphery:

now I have Green Day stuck in my head...

[22:07:32]

sphery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wake_Me_Up_When_September_Ends (specifically)

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iamlindoro:

You'd have a long sleep ahead of you

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Dassu:

:-( Green day is cra music

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SHADOW_V1:

iamlindoro, you liked fringe and dollhouse correct?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, very much

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SHADOW_V1:

do you have any tv show recommendations then even if they are old that arent cooking shows or traveling shows

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SHADOW_V1:

also i am looking forward to their new seasons

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iamlindoro:

True Blood is coming back this week

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SHADOW_V1:

yeah sunday night

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iamlindoro:

So that's something

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iamlindoro:

Flight of the Conchords is funny

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SHADOW_V1:

hmm i could give that a look

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iamlindoro:

If you're in to going back to old series, Carnivale, Dead Like Me, Wonderfalls

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SHADOW_V1:

i havnt had luck finding a job so i have a bit of free time

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SHADOW_V1:

also trying to find a way to get a mbp keeps me a little busy

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wilturn:

ah we seem to have similar taste iamlindoro .. I just grabbed s1 of True Blood.. a worthwhile watch?

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SHADOW_V1:

yeah its interesting

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iamlindoro:

wilturn: I think so-- It has a bit too much of that "female author eroticizing vampires" thing that turns me off to some other similar shows, but at least it's a fresh idea, and the actors are all good

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SHADOW_V1:

iamlindoro, thats exactly my problem with it too

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wilturn:

haha, I did catch that sexy vampire vibe which was a bit offputting, but they are sweet 720p source so Ill give it a shot

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troldrik:

The teeth are awful.

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wilturn:

thanks guys.. I can never tell what is good, we jsut get bombarded with billboards for any old crap in LA

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iamlindoro:

Pretty sure HBO HD is 1080i

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iamlindoro:

(or you can pick up the blu rays and get 1080p, of course)

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SHADOW_V1:

not everyone has blu ray players sir

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SHADOW_V1:

lol

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wilturn:

hrm... looks like you are right, Ill have to figure out what I actually got when I found these

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iamlindoro:

I understand that the second season expands beyond the basic vampire mythos and into the general supernatural, so that bodes well

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SHADOW_V1:

thats good

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kormoc_:

./push_release live -r 23245 -b release -t 0.01.2009.06.11 --now

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kormoc_:

whoops

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iamlindoro:

./get_me_a_beer --coldones --import --now

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sphery:

iamlindoro: http://xkcd.com/149/

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

I actually made a delicious beer bread last night with Stella Artois, I'm craving some right now, but stuck at work, boo

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kormoc_:

I think the sad part is I typed all that without tab completion cause I've typed it that often...

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iamlindoro:

I think we all have similar commands :)

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iamlindoro:

the ones that are burned on the back of your eyelids

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jpabq:

sphery: what dist do you run? F11 won't run ratpoison because it can't find some bitmap font. I am considering trying LXDE.

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darkdrgn2k3:

okie, anyh idea why i get

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darkdrgn2k3:

PHP Fatal error: Call to undefined function posix_getpwuid()

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmm nm

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sphery:

darkdrgn: because you don't have the php posix functions installed

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sphery:

jpabq: I'm not a good person to ask about distro... My approach isn't the right one.

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SHADOW_V1:

sphery, whats your approach

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iamlindoro:

sphermyth

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SHADOW_V1:

where can i download that

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iamlindoro:

kernel.org

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SHADOW_V1:

also does anyone else feel like john connor on the sarah connor chronicles is alittle wimpy

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sphery:

doesn't matter--he went to the future and found out he was unimportant there

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sphery:

and then they cancelled the series

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SHADOW_V1:

yup

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SHADOW_V1:

but i didnt see them goto the future

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SHADOW_V1:

s/them/him

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iamlindoro:

retroactive spoiler alert, then

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iamlindoro:

I haven't seen it either, nice job

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SHADOW_V1:

what episode does that happen in

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sphery:

maybe I made that up

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SHADOW_V1:

beginning of season 2?

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SHADOW_V1:

uh oh hey now i have to watch

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SHADOW_V1:

Genius!

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sphery:

it was season 12--Fox gave me a preview to review

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sphery:

shame they're not airing all those seasons--it was good

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juski:

squidly: I know it's broken and no, I don't plan to fix it. Ever. And yes, I really should stop reading the logs

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juski:

could still be tempted to make new stuff for 0.22 but managing to keep busy enough otherwise these days. And sane. Ish

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iamlindoro:

gnome42, You need to stop doing things that speed up and otherwise improve live TV, people will end up with the impression that someone cares about it ;)

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iamlindoro:

juski, So you're saying I pretty much nailed the answer then? ;)

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juski:

iamlindoro: yup

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juski:

caught something interesting (i.e. not theme related) in a recent log & was tracking back. really must ignore stuff in future

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SHADOW_V1:

iamlindoro, are you going to watch season 2 of sarah connor chronicles

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iamlindoro:

when I get around to it

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SHADOW_V1:

i just saw an action shot and it was pretty bad you could see the rig they used

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darkdrgn2k3:

hey guys,

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darkdrgn2k3:

there is no "catagories" sorting in myth video is there?

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SHADOW_V1:

hello everybody

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juski:

not yet no

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darkdrgn2k3:

anything in on the drawing board for that?

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juski:

darkdrgn2k3: somebody was planning a big mythvideo overhaul with extensive metadata improvements, then mythui happened but I *think* something may have bee afoot for that

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juski:

s/bee/been

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darkdrgn2k3:

hmmm nothing yet though

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darkdrgn2k3:

ie

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darkdrgn2k3:

no poin tupgrading to trunk

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juski:

depends. I thought no sooner than people ask here, the code appears in trunk

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iamlindoro:

upgrading to trunk for a sort option in mythvideo would be like dousing yourself in acid to scratch an itch

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: meh.. im just looking for a rason to swich to trunk :-P

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: meh.. im just looking for a rason to swich to trunk :-P

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darkdrgn2k3:

oops

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juski:

mmm raisins

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darkdrgn2k3:

.. so far there is nothign that relly makes me want to swich to it :-P

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darkdrgn2k3:

maybe when the new themes come out :)

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juski:

unless you're willing to live with possible instability, between bugfixes.. erm... hmmm

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iamlindoro:

when the new themes come out, it won't be trunk any more

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juski:

I should get some hypnotherapy for that theming crap

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darkdrgn2k3:

iamlindoro: :( booooo

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darkdrgn2k3:

juski: meh.. myht is not my life blood its just a hobby

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juski:

put me off it for good

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juski:

hobby? BLASPHEMER!

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iamlindoro:

I really should finish up the screens that have been annoying me

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darkdrgn2k3:

juski: i have no TIME..

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darkdrgn2k3:

juski: i wish i did.. i really have to start learning QT!

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juski:

if you're not a true believer you should be struck off

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iamlindoro:

But meh, it works for me as it is

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darkdrgn2k3:

juski: actualy i wish i could contribute... just dont have the time

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juski:

I never bothered learning anything. didn't stop me any. got a few titbits done in the time it took to watch a few episodes of a crummy TV show

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juski:

amazing

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darkdrgn2k3:

juski: im just afraid of touching anything this big.. should get over my phobia!

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darkdrgn2k3:

juski: i miss c :(

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juski:

don't touch any file longer than 15000 lines :)

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darkdrgn2k3:

i RALLY wanna jump in and put a blood "LOADING" screen during tuner changes..

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juski:

can't remember the last thing I looked at but I recall it gave me a very big headache

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darkdrgn2k3:

black screens scar me :(

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juski:

tuner whatnow?

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iamlindoro:

juski, variable sized buttonlist items

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juski:

ahh yes.

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darkdrgn2k3:

when you swich between tuners.. (ie ferom my pvr150 to hvr1600 digital)

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juski:

bet I still couldn't do it

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darkdrgn2k3:

screen goes black for a goot number of seconds

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juski:

so erm.. just watch recordings instead

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darkdrgn2k3:

*good

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juski:

not watching livetv enabled me to find enough time to do erm... how many themes again?

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darkdrgn2k3:

lol nice

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juski:

and then I got a laptop, which kinda ruined my urge to do *anything*

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darkdrgn2k3:

but im just playing with an atsc antenna.. soo yeh

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