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| [00:02:57] | sphery: | Sikander: when you click that link, you should be getting the "what do you want to do with this file" dialog. Tell it to always open with. The ASX file is just a tiny text file that tells a media player where to read the video from, so you need a media player that knows how to use ASX files--just open it with mplayer or xine or whatever. |
| [00:04:18] | Sikander: | sphery: mplayer can't handle it properly when I do it like this. |
| [00:04:36] | Sikander: | sphery: apparently, it needs the -playlist option. |
| [00:05:09] | Sikander: | sphery: Also, it's https, so I need a username and password, and pass those as options to mplayer |
| [00:05:32] | Sikander: | Wouldn't using a plugin be cleaner? |
| [00:07:02] | sphery: | that would require streaming and we don't currently have a means for doing that |
| [00:07:19] | sphery: | there's a proof-of-concept Flash streaming mechanism, but it's far from complete and has to be manually enabled |
| [00:07:44] | sphery: | and see the README and mythweb.conf for all the "why the ASX probably won't work for you" stuff... |
| [00:08:45] | sphery: | Q: I'm trying to stream audio/video, but it's not working. (in the README at https://yourhost:port/mythweb_root/README ) |
| [00:09:02] | sphery: | it's basically what you were saying, though |
| [00:10:58] | Sikander: | Hmm... Ok, thanks |
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| [00:11:40] | sphery: | If you're a coder and you're really interested in some real streaming support, there's a lot of work that needs doing :) |
| [00:12:05] | phunyguy: | coding is for suckers. |
| [00:12:07] | phunyguy: | ;) |
| [00:12:16] | sphery: | Sikander: if nothing else, though, you can try enabling the Flash streaming--go into MythWeb settings (I think it's under MythWeb) and click the checkbox with the /huge/ red warning |
| [00:12:22] | phunyguy: | naah im just kidding |
| [00:12:27] | phunyguy: | i wish i had the time and patience for it |
| [00:12:36] | sphery: | but note that you'll need a backend that's sufficiently powerful to transcode your recordings in real time |
| [00:12:38] | phunyguy: | i have done a TON of scripting but nothing of use to anyone else |
| [00:12:52] | phunyguy: | mostly PERL stuff |
| [00:13:06] | sphery: | you'll have no commercial skipping (or fast forward or jump forward or ...) and, well, basically, it will drive you back to watching TV the right way--through mythfrontend ;) |
| [00:13:07] | Sikander: | sphery: Thanks, I'll have a look. I code in my spare time, so maybe... |
| [00:13:46] | phunyguy: | i wish i could figure out what is slamming this disk so hard |
| [00:13:52] | phunyguy: | almost a constant access light |
| [00:13:54] | phunyguy: | for 2 days now |
| [00:14:00] | phunyguy: | no server services on this drive... |
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| [00:14:10] | sphery: | If you are interested in working on it, though, make sure you talk with the developers for the respective parts--they know how it needs to be done before it will be accepted |
| [00:14:29] | sphery: | phunyguy: that doesn't sound good... |
| [00:14:33] | Sikander: | sphery: I understand. If I find some time, I might have a look |
| [00:15:27] | Sikander: | phunyguy: is it your main disk (with root et al partitions)? |
| [00:15:43] | Sikander: | phunyguy: if it isn't, then you could try lsof or fuser to see what's accessing it |
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| [00:22:39] | wagnerrp: | when you use 'mythcommflag --video' to rebuild a seektable for a non-recording, where does it store it? |
| [00:24:17] | sphery: | in filemarkup |
| [00:24:20] | iamlindoro: | filemarkup |
| [00:24:22] | iamlindoro: | DANIGT! |
| [00:24:23] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
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| [00:24:37] | sphery: | too slow |
| [00:24:41] | iamlindoro: | evidently |
| [00:25:02] | wagnerrp: | and building seekdata will fix mythvideo not being able to reliably fast forward more than 3x? |
| [00:25:42] | sphery: | I think the internal player still has some problems with that in certain types of files, but it's worth a shot |
| [00:26:46] | kormoc: | There have been cases that the seekdata has caused playback issues that removing the data fixes, so watch out |
| [00:27:30] | wagnerrp: | should the entries be the file name? the file path? the relative path from the storage group base? the path including myth:// and all? |
| [00:28:00] | phunyguy: | ahh, i figured it out |
| [00:28:12] | phunyguy: | forgot i keep my music on that drive |
| [00:28:19] | phunyguy: | sister is streaming some audio over the net |
| [00:28:23] | phunyguy: | from my ampache site |
| [00:28:33] | phunyguy: | transcodes flac to mp3 and streams it |
| [00:29:00] | wagnerrp: | well that shouldnt be 'slamming' the disk |
| [00:29:11] | wagnerrp: | i mean that might be what, 1 mbps? |
| [00:30:48] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, It's fairly likely the seektable rebuilding hasn't been modified to format data properly for mythvideovideo in SG |
| [00:30:55] | iamlindoro: | In fact, I'm 99% certain it hasn't |
| [00:31:30] | wagnerrp: | weee! generating seektables at 130MB/s |
| [00:31:47] | iamlindoro: | which means it probably only knows to put what's in the -f argument |
| [00:32:22] | wagnerrp: | anyway, ive got an entry in here ... 'myth://Video@10.254.2.1:6543/TV/Two and a Half Men/Season 6/6x19 – The Two Finger Rule.mpg' |
| [00:32:23] | iamlindoro: | What *might* work is to run it from the root of the SG path, with -f taking the relative pathname like you would see in the videometadata entry for it |
| [00:32:53] | iamlindoro: | hmm |
| [00:33:51] | iamlindoro: | I honestly don't know whether a full myth:// URI is good or not in this instance |
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| [01:13:57] | DGMurdockIII: | how good is the support for sound througt hdmi |
| [01:14:35] | kormoc: | that entirely depends on your card/drivers |
| [01:14:52] | DGMurdockIII: | its a ati all in wonder HD |
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| [01:26:14] | ** J-e-f-f-A just IMHO – buy an NVIDIA instead.... ** | |
| [01:27:58] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: that URI was generated by something in myth |
| [01:28:34] | wagnerrp: | ive never run commflag on something in mythvideo (before tonight) and i already had 6 files in there |
| [01:29:23] | wilturn: | buy nvidia instead is becoming out of date info.. there are some myth specific problems with ATI, but on the whole the hardware on the 3000 series+ and the drivers closed and open are good now in my experience |
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| [01:29:46] | wilturn: | audio through hdmi is the least of my problems |
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| [01:30:22] | wagnerrp: | well you still have to buy nvidia for decode acceleration |
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| [01:30:47] | wagnerrp: | until amd eventually comes through with their advertised but undelivered support |
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| [01:31:31] | J-e-f-f--: | /who |
| [01:33:09] | iamlindoro: | /me |
| [01:33:27] | wilturn: | good point wagnerrp .. I am waiting on XvMC/UVD forever to finally get to play the 'killa sample' smoothly and it works fine on this old POS nvidia |
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| [01:40:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: hehe... typed '/who' instead of '/whois' to check my nick... just re-booted my router... ;-) (And I'm 'floating' for the first time in years after attending my neighbor's wife's birthday party... I'll sleep well tonight... |
| [01:40:52] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [01:42:46] | _abbenormal: | hi iamlindoro |
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| [01:42:53] | iamlindoro: | Hey _abbenormal |
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| [01:43:20] | _abbenormal: | ? for ya is there a kernel room on here or is it on some other server |
| [01:43:57] | iamlindoro: | hmm... I'm sure there must be, but I don't know it |
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| [01:45:09] | _abbenormal: | ya having issue with a driver for a network card not building in 29 and reading other issue so wondering if theres a work around |
| [01:46:40] | _abbenormal: | make me feel dumb on this ive built a lot and when i cannt i feel dumb as a box of rocks |
| [01:47:19] | _abbenormal: | normally its a simple fix but dont think so on this one |
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| [01:48:51] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, I just don't know where to go for it, I'm sorry |
| [01:51:33] | wilturn: | I just realized that I'm able to watch live HD (Laker's game) using mythfronted running on a 1.6Ghz Atom netbook.. never figured the hardware would hold up for that.. it's outstanding |
| [01:51:53] | wilturn: | _abbenormal, if its distro related at all, sometimes those channels are good to try |
| [01:52:20] | wilturn: | network drivers building against kernels is one of those common things people might also have delt with |
| [01:58:02] | _abbenormal: | nope this is a kernel issue |
| [01:58:49] | _abbenormal: | im using a vanilla kernel 2.6.29.3 and the forcedeth module does build or load |
| [01:59:16] | kormoc: | seems like that wouldn't be something to complain about |
| [02:00:03] | _abbenormal: | its weird works in the distro kernel which is 2.6.26 but it loads everything |
| [02:00:16] | kormoc: | You don't want it to build or load? |
| [02:00:38] | _abbenormal: | no i only want whats in or on this board to build and load |
| [02:01:03] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [02:01:22] | _abbenormal: | if it loads a lot of extra modules that dont work it could cause issue with other device i use |
| [02:01:55] | kormoc: | Well, I know that my box doesn't build it when I ask it not to |
| [02:01:57] | ** kormoc shrugs ** | |
| [02:01:58] | jpabq: | iamlindoro: did you get your on-board NIC working? |
| [02:02:08] | _abbenormal: | like now its loading something called dock and demsg complains about it |
| [02:02:14] | iamlindoro: | jpabq, yeah! Ended up taking me five minutes, worked like a champ |
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| [02:02:45] | jpabq: | Yeah, I was pleasantly surprised when it (finally) just worked. |
| [02:03:01] | iamlindoro: | so finally put my extra QAM card to use in that PCI slot that had been a NIC |
| [02:03:27] | iamlindoro: | Not that I really needed another, but I owned it, might as well have it in there |
| [02:03:50] | jpabq: | I am sooo looking forward the digital cutover, just to get rid of those VERY annoying banners warning that it is coming. |
| [02:04:50] | wagnerrp: | i love how those banners are being broadcast on digital channels |
| [02:04:50] | iamlindoro: | Heh, we only really see it very very late at night-- have been recording Lost at 12:30 at night and only see them there |
| [02:05:27] | wagnerrp: | its a digital channel... you obviously dont need the warning |
| [02:05:37] | iamlindoro: | Am planning on buying those seasons on Blu ray next month so I'm not sweating it too much-- thankfully here they're keeping it off the primetime stuff |
| [02:05:38] | jpabq: | I complained to one of the local stations about the banners being broadcast *on* their HD station. He said that he did not understand it either, but the FCC required them to do it. |
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| [02:06:25] | jpabq: | My local NBC station sucks the worst. The damn banner takes up 25% of the screen! |
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| [02:17:44] | jblack: | jpabq: I think that's for people that happen to watch more than one TV..... |
| [02:18:06] | jblack: | they might have one at home, but usually watch one somewhere else. |
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| [02:28:18] | ** Pontiac kicks up his feet and watches some TV. ** | |
| [02:28:26] | Pontiac: | Its so good to be home. |
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| [02:44:29] | phunyguy: | ahhh |
| [02:44:35] | phunyguy: | nothing like a new set up clippers |
| [02:44:39] | phunyguy: | of* |
| [02:44:56] | phunyguy: | (my hair is very short) |
| [02:44:57] | Pontiac: | Yeah there is. |
| [02:45:13] | phunyguy: | i usually hack it all down to 1/8 of an inch |
| [02:45:17] | phunyguy: | #1 guard |
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| [02:45:41] | Pontiac: | I don't use a guard. :P |
| [02:45:47] | phunyguy: | lol |
| [02:45:54] | phunyguy: | all the way down? |
| [02:45:57] | phunyguy: | as in BIC? |
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| [02:46:26] | Pontiac: | Pretty much. |
| [02:46:37] | phunyguy: | or are you just balding so you cover it up with that |
| [02:46:44] | Pontiac: | 'Cept its not for my hair. I'm talk'n beard and stache. |
| [02:46:45] | phunyguy: | like my brother in law |
| [02:46:53] | phunyguy: | ahh |
| [02:47:01] | phunyguy: | yeah i got a stache/goatee combo |
| [02:47:08] | phunyguy: | same length as the hair on my head |
| [02:48:33] | phunyguy: | my old clippers were a little ratty |
| [02:48:40] | phunyguy: | hadn't been oiled in 2 years |
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| [02:48:48] | phunyguy: | they would start to stick so i would crank the power |
| [02:48:57] | phunyguy: | suckers started runnin hot ;) |
| [02:49:28] | phunyguy: | but man they lasted me 5 years |
| [02:49:31] | phunyguy: | best $20 i ever spent |
| [02:49:44] | phunyguy: | spent $25 this time |
| [02:49:46] | phunyguy: | (inflation) |
| [02:50:00] | Pontiac: | 5 years for 5 bucks? |
| [02:50:06] | Pontiac: | Thats just taxes, dude. |
| [02:50:09] | phunyguy: | lol |
| [02:50:11] | phunyguy: | well |
| [02:50:16] | phunyguy: | they are a little better too |
| [02:50:24] | phunyguy: | more guards that i will never use |
| [02:51:35] | phunyguy: | ok |
| [02:51:36] | phunyguy: | shower time |
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| [03:00:58] | darkdrgn2k: | hey any one know why my usb mce would just stop working |
| [03:01:08] | darkdrgn2k: | theres no red light at the front and i changed nothing |
| [03:01:15] | darkdrgn2k: | no errors in lird dmesg or anythign |
| [03:01:18] | wagnerrp: | driver unloaded? |
| [03:01:23] | kormoc: | so unplug it and plug it back in? |
| [03:01:27] | darkdrgn2k: | i tried |
| [03:01:28] | darkdrgn2k: | rebooted |
| [03:01:30] | Pontiac: | Plug it into another machine? |
| [03:01:30] | darkdrgn2k: | everything nothing |
| [03:01:46] | kormoc: | if you tried everything, there's nothing left we can offer you |
| [03:01:58] | Pontiac: | Dead stick. |
| [03:01:58] | darkdrgn2k: | well the odd part is.. |
| [03:02:03] | darkdrgn2k: | i tried my other one too |
| [03:02:05] | darkdrgn2k: | same deal |
| [03:02:18] | darkdrgn2k: | hard to beleave 2 receivers would be dead! |
| [03:02:23] | kormoc: | so turn off the computer, leave it off for a minute or two, and then power it back |
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| [03:03:10] | darkdrgn2k: | ok.. ill try that... |
| [03:03:22] | darkdrgn2k: | btw lsusb records it as ID 1784:0006 TopSeed Technology Corp |
| [03:03:30] | darkdrgn2k: | wernt they philips before? |
| [03:03:36] | kormoc: | They are philips |
| [03:03:45] | darkdrgn2k: | so whats with topspeed |
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| [03:05:41] | darkdrgn2k: | if i plug it into a windows box.. are the drivers defaultly installed? |
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| [03:05:49] | kormoc: | no |
| [03:05:57] | kormoc: | the drivers are only with windows MCE or vista MCE |
| [03:05:59] | Pontiac: | If you plug it into a windows machine, you'll know if its a dead unit. |
| [03:06:16] | darkdrgn2k: | ??? how will i knwo |
| [03:06:33] | Pontiac: | Because it'll go through the install new devices routine. |
| [03:06:38] | darkdrgn2k: | yeh it did |
| [03:06:42] | darkdrgn2k: | (windows 7) |
| [03:06:50] | Pontiac: | Obviously its not going to install the drivers, of course, but at least you'll know if its communicating. |
| [03:07:12] | Pontiac: | After that, its a matter of figuring out why the 'Nix box has decided to use a different device for that device. |
| [03:07:22] | darkdrgn2k: | it instaleld the drivers and all |
| [03:07:29] | darkdrgn2k: | is ther red lite sopposed to be on at the front all the time |
| [03:09:28] | Pontiac: | Don't know. I don't have that device. |
| [03:09:43] | darkdrgn2k: | i just cant beleave that 2 devices would fail out of the blue |
| [03:10:44] | darkdrgn2k: | working fine yesturyda.... |
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| [03:14:06] | basment: | Hello, I am still having problems doing a scheduled recording or even manual recording. I have just (yesterday) installed fresh mythbuntu install. |
| [03:15:07] | basment: | I follow the guides, but I can't get this to work. If anyone has another option for me to try, i would appreciate it :) |
| [03:15:34] | basment: | It has to be something i'm doing incorrectly .. i think? :( |
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| [03:16:25] | wilturn: | can you view live tv basment ? |
| [03:18:09] | darkdrgn2k: | OMG |
| [03:18:13] | darkdrgn2k: | for those wondering |
| [03:18:19] | darkdrgn2k: | no the mce usb red lite is not to be on all the time |
| [03:18:29] | darkdrgn2k: | fixed my problem.. dead battereid |
| [03:18:33] | ** darkdrgn2k slaps himself in the forhead ** | |
| [03:19:33] | phunyguy: | lol |
| [03:19:45] | phunyguy: | i was gonna suggest that after I read the chat history |
| [03:19:52] | phunyguy: | i wanted to make sure nobody else did |
| [03:20:00] | Pontiac: | I should go to bed. |
| [03:20:02] | Pontiac: | ... should. |
| [03:20:06] | phunyguy: | work in 6 hours? |
| [03:20:06] | Pontiac: | ... I'd better. |
| [03:20:16] | darkdrgn2k: | i cant beleave it... |
| [03:20:17] | Pontiac: | Meeting in 9. |
| [03:20:23] | phunyguy: | ahh |
| [03:20:25] | darkdrgn2k: | :-S man.. |
| [03:20:28] | darkdrgn2k: | ok im of to bed to |
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| [03:20:32] | darkdrgn2k: | got myself a meeting at 98 |
| [03:20:32] | phunyguy: | yeah I go in for 8:30 tomorrow |
| [03:20:32] | darkdrgn2k: | nite |
| [03:20:35] | phunyguy: | eastern time |
| [03:21:00] | phunyguy: | pretty much standard time for me |
| [03:21:06] | phunyguy: | 8:30 – 5 |
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| [03:41:54] | basment: | wilturn: (kids got hold of me..) anyway.. yes, can watch live TV, and Watch Recording from that. Just can't schedule.. |
| [03:42:33] | wilturn: | basment, you said you did a new myth install.. new DB as well? I have had issues like that and I needed to delete all my cards and re-setup |
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| [03:43:50] | basment: | I repartitioned and installed mythbuntu from start.. set up everything. Got it to work for Live TV added the schedule direct stuff.. |
| [03:44:17] | basment: | but have SAME problem as before fresh install |
| [03:44:31] | basment: | but i can't put a finger on what it could be :( |
| [03:44:33] | wilturn: | hrm ok, so if you hit r while you are watching a live recording, will recording start? |
| [03:44:44] | wilturn: | that is strange.. maybe a storage permissions issue? |
| [03:45:18] | wilturn: | I wonder if anything turns up under /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend ? |
| [03:45:40] | basment: | well.. not really. it will record auto because I'm watching. But if I hit R while watching Live TV it will say 'recording.."... but if I then look at it in Program Guide.. it sez "Scheduled Recording... Inactive".. |
| [03:45:44] | basment: | but rule is active |
| [03:46:24] | basment: | this is why i did full mythbuntu install cause i hoped to get around premissions issues lol.. |
| [03:46:31] | basment: | ok will check deeper into that log |
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| [03:47:10] | wilturn: | yeah, I run mythbuntu as well.. if you set your cards up fresh I cant understand why you would be having issues recording, but I think that varies a lot from capture card to card |
| [03:47:11] | basment: | I thought permissions was just to add my user to the mythtv group.. and it looks like mythbuntu does that from start |
| [03:47:32] | basment: | did you have to set permissions on fresh install? |
| [03:47:55] | wilturn: | by default mine stores in /var/lib/mythtv/recordings .. I believe I widened the permissions there, but I dont think it was a necessary just to have myth record |
| [03:48:15] | basment: | i havn't done that.. |
| [03:48:25] | wilturn: | can you browse to that directory? |
| [03:48:29] | basment: | checking |
| [03:49:07] | basment: | yes |
| [03:49:54] | wilturn: | well if you can get your mythbackend log put into pastebin that will probably be helpful getting it debugged on this channel |
| [03:50:28] | basment: | ok.. kids getting me again.. lol.. I will clear my logs, reboot, and attempt again.. then send logs.. |
| [03:50:41] | wilturn: | I know how it is :) catch you later |
| [03:50:46] | basment: | thx, cya |
| [04:34:45] | wagnerrp: | xkcd is pretty good today |
| [04:36:10] | iamlindoro: | I get to enjoy xkcd dozens at a time, as I always immediately forget it exists after reading it |
| [04:40:11] | wagnerrp: | you better be careful... red spiders riding on raptors will come for you |
| [04:42:29] | clever: | 413 nanohertz! |
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| [07:18:41] | hot_wheelz: | how can one find out how much more is left in driver development before it's done..I am following the progress of this http://jusst.de/hg/saa716x/ |
| [07:18:59] | hot_wheelz: | I have also tried contacting Manu A to ask but no answer :-) |
| [07:28:51] | Dibblah: | hot_wheelz: Try it. |
| [07:28:55] | Dibblah: | If it works, great. |
| [07:29:12] | Dibblah: | If it doesn't, shed a few tears and wait. ;) |
| [07:37:54] | hot_wheelz: | +Dibblah: I wont to what is left to be done so i can help it along...surly there should be a todo list bug tracker |
| [07:38:27] | Dibblah: | Do you have the hardware? |
| [07:38:52] | Dibblah: | If so, try it and see what does / doesn't work... |
| [07:39:06] | Dibblah: | And look on the linux-dvb mailing list. |
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| [07:44:55] | hot_wheelz: | +Dibblah: ok |
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| [08:44:12] | messerting: | Hi, I'm trying to set up my mythtv box to watch a FTA channel using TerraTec Cinergy C HD (DVB-C), togheter with the "mantis" module from s2-liplianin. Do I need mythtv from svn, or should it work with mythtv-0.22–0.2.svn.r20586.fc11.x86_64? |
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| [09:32:58] | Finswimmer: | Hello, I have an OO spreadsheet that I want to display in MythTV. How can I do that? (The format is not important, I can export it to PDF/HTML...) |
| [09:33:32] | Finswimmer: | But it is important to read this documente and scroll within with my remote control. |
| [09:34:17] | jduggan: | if you can export to html, mythbrowser seems like the way forward |
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| [09:43:46] | Finswimmer: | jduggan: I have exported it to html via OO. Saved it in my homefolder, added it to mythbrowser. But now it says: unable to view page: http://home/finswimmer/list.html |
| [09:49:34] | Finswimmer: | jduggan: Specifying file:// in front of it helped :) |
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| [10:02:16] | Finswimmer: | jduggan: Hmm. This is not the very best solution as I cannot zoom. Even if it is set to 80%... |
| [10:09:38] | mzb: | iirc you can convert pdf to jpg ... does that help? |
| [10:10:42] | juski: | just make a menu xml entry to open a pdf viewer. use lirc to control the pdf viewing prog :) |
| [10:12:00] | Finswimmer: | mzb: It is a spreadsheet with ~200 entrys. Converting this to an image might be unreadable. |
| [10:12:08] | juski: | spreadsheets on teevees. fascinating |
| [10:12:09] | Finswimmer: | juski: How can I do that? |
| [10:12:26] | juski: | how can you search the internet using google? I dunno |
| [10:12:39] | Finswimmer: | It is a spreadsheet where I manage my DVDs... |
| [10:12:58] | juski: | ruh? |
| [10:13:06] | ** juski stops listening ** | |
| [10:15:18] | juski: | ok. small hint. irxevent |
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| [10:22:38] | Finswimmer: | juski: Thank you!! :) |
| [10:23:15] | juski: | seems like a daft idea though, when Mythvideo is actually _designed_ for all that |
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| [10:26:17] | Finswimmer: | No not really as it is my DVD storage. For example I have Rush Hour: cupboard 1, board 2. |
| [10:26:38] | juski: | takes all sorts |
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| [10:31:40] | jduggan: | lol |
| [10:32:44] | juski: | I think I'll print out mythtv's source code & then every time I want to use it I'll type it all in & compile it |
| [10:33:01] | jduggan: | haha |
| [10:33:34] | juski: | 10 print "welcome to MythTV" |
| [10:33:43] | juski: | 20 load "glass-wide" |
| [10:36:30] | juski: | oh dear. protest in Manchester at 5.30pm today outside the town hall. What use is protesting against the BNP NOW, AFTER they were democratically elected? |
| [10:37:19] | Finswimmer: | juski: MythVideo seems to organize only the video files that are stored on the local system... |
| [10:38:01] | juski: | so share them over the network. I export mine via NFS |
| [10:38:28] | juski: | in 0.22 there's no need to do that since all video will be streamed :) |
| [10:39:38] | juski: | e.g. all videos live on /myth/videos on the backend. export that & mount it to /myth/videos on each frontend :) |
| [10:40:12] | juski: | but in 0.22 it'll just stream them from the backend automagically, like TV & recordings are treated now |
| [10:41:11] | Finswimmer: | I know that. But the spreadsheet/pdf whatever is for my Original DVDs that are stored in my cupboard. So MythVideo would not help, or? |
| [10:42:41] | juski: | if you ripped them all, store them on the backend & export them to frontend(s) over NFS then yes it'd help |
| [10:43:02] | juski: | FWIW you may aswell just print out the spreadsheet & keep it on your coffee table otherwise |
| [10:44:29] | Finswimmer: | Printing is not the best idea as it changed every 2–7 days. Trying to save the trees ;) |
| [10:45:27] | Finswimmer: | Ok. But if there is no built-in solution I will try it with xpdf. Thank you! |
| [10:47:49] | juski: | Sunday, Disc 52: Mars Attacks, Cupboard 5 Shelf 3 |
| [10:48:10] | juski: | Monday, Disc 52: Mars Attacks, On floor somewhere under couch 2 |
| [10:51:39] | hashbang: | http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/3326726/-/Produ . . . p;P36=EDRBAM # USB Nova-T for £14.99 |
| [10:52:11] | juski: | heh already have a usb dvb-t stick I've never used |
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| [11:19:27] | juski: | wonder how far from reality dvb-t2 tuner devices for PCs are |
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| [11:23:43] | jduggan: | how far from reality is the uk moving to t2? |
| [11:25:45] | juski: | all SDTV services are going to move to just 5 muxes – the freed mux will then be used for 'HD' via dvb-t2 – allegedly |
| [11:26:41] | juski: | no extension of television services from re-use of frequencies currently used for analogue TV |
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| [11:48:56] | messerting: | Around what revision was s2api included in 0.22-fixes branch? is r20586 fully s2api compliant? |
| [11:49:25] | juski: | there's no 0.22-fixes branch |
| [11:52:21] | messerting: | juski: hm, sorry – I meant 0.22 branch |
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| [12:05:44] | juski: | searching on svn.mythtv.org it would appear that dvb-s2 support is still lacking |
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| [12:47:23] | juski: | hmmm. anyone ever been to a GeekUp event here? |
| [12:48:55] | nambo: | no, but i've watched 2 nerds hump a door knob before |
| [12:48:59] | nambo: | does that count? |
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| [12:54:01] | juski: | mno |
| [12:59:06] | Zanthus: | lol |
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| [13:28:29] | Dibblah: | Can someone help me track down a fix? |
| [13:28:30] | Dibblah: | http://cvs.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/1449 |
| [13:28:47] | Dibblah: | I'm 90% sure this was fixed recently, but I can't find the commit :( |
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| [13:30:19] | ServerSage: | Hey folks, I have a DCT-6200 hooked up over firewire. Works great for a little bit, then for some reason it gets a "Current remote IRM is not 1394a-2000 compliant, resetting..." and changes the Node (from 0 to 1, or 1 to 0) and then of course myth loses it and can't seem to recover without restarting. Any ideas? |
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| [13:40:33] | ServerSage: | Figured out a workaround. Added disable_irm=1 to my modprobe.conf for ieee1394. |
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| [13:47:31] | sphery: | Dibblah: TTBOMK, recordings are disabled on channels set to visible=0 in /all/ cases. See the "AND channel.visible = 1" in scheduler.cpp . |
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| [13:51:05] | sphery: | Dibblah: confirmation from bjm that visible always means don't record: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/269164#269164 (last para) |
| [13:51:42] | sphery: | Dibblah: "If for some reason you still receive channels that you don't want to use, you can mark them as not visible and the *scheduler* ... will ignore them." |
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| [13:53:44] | sphery: | Dibblah: So, perhaps the "right" fix is to modify the help text in channelsettings.cpp for "Visible" to say, "If set, the channel will be visible in the EPG. If not set, the channel will be ignored by the EPG and searches and the scheduler." |
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| [13:55:17] | sphery: | or, better worded--perhaps even saying something about "recordings will not occur on the channel" |
| [13:55:53] | juski: | ooo. MCPS now licensing music podcasts for a minimum of £50 per quarter |
| [13:56:07] | sphery: | Dibblah: if you don't want to be the bad guy (again :), let me know and I'll post some of that info to the ticket |
| [13:59:55] | sphery: | Dibblah: oh, and btw, I don't know if the "not listed" fix you were thinking of was http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6185#comment:4 |
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| [14:00:59] | wagnerrp_: | it seems advertising works... Bing has overtaken Yahoo |
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| [14:03:41] | Dibblah: | sphery: Thanks for that. Yes, it was and no it doesn't apply. |
| [14:03:43] | Dibblah: | Bugger. |
| [14:04:01] | Dibblah: | I was hoping to lose one of these 551 tickets. |
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| [14:07:36] | Pontiac: | sphery> Do you recall that situation where I had two records showing up at the same time, while I only have single tuner? |
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| [14:23:44] | Pontiac: | For you Queen lovers, or enjoyed Waynes World: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht96HJ01SE4&fmt=22 |
| [14:25:50] | wagnerrp: | i heard that before... they dont quite have it |
| [14:26:21] | Pontiac: | Its pretty close. I did hear a few off notes and missed timing. But still pretty damned good all things considered. |
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| [14:29:04] | sawireless: | hi to all from south africa |
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| [14:30:35] | sawireless: | please can some-one please help me with a manual in how to install mythtv server and how to connect clients to is ????? |
| [14:31:25] | wagnerrp: | well youve got the official manual in the mythtv documentation |
| [14:31:30] | wagnerrp: | then you have the one in the wiki |
| [14:31:48] | wagnerrp: | then you can find individual manuals for most big linux distros |
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| [14:33:15] | wagnerrp: | then you can find several more that individual users put up on their own web pages |
| [14:33:24] | juski: | www.mythtv.org/documentation ? |
| [14:33:50] | juski: | oops http://www.mythtv.org/docs/ |
| [14:33:58] | sphery: | Pontiac: yeah, did you figure out what caused the issue? |
| [14:34:23] | juski: | never ceases to amaze me how people find this channel & yet fail to find the docs :-\ |
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| [14:35:48] | Pontiac: | No. I forced a refresh of all the channels from the provider, I backed up, then dropped all scheduled recording via the MythWeb interface, re-entered the two offending, and it still thought it'd be cool to double-up on the tuner. |
| [14:36:00] | Pontiac: | What I did was force one, tell the other to not record. |
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| [14:36:22] | juski: | digital tuners allow that |
| [14:36:48] | juski: | by default, two recordings are possible from one tuner as long as both are on the same multiplex/transponder |
| [14:36:58] | sphery: | strange... don't know why MythWeb says it's recording both. IIRC, mythbackend --printsched showed a proper conflict, so I'm assuming that mythfrontend would, too. |
| [14:37:03] | Pontiac: | Except mine is not a digital tuner. Purely analoge. |
| [14:37:21] | juski: | so then two simultaneous recordings should be impossible |
| [14:37:31] | Pontiac: | juski> Thats the problem. ;) |
| [14:37:34] | juski: | even two recordings of the same channel |
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| [14:38:05] | Pontiac: | The only thing I can figure thats different is that they had different recording priorities, and something goofed. |
| [14:38:15] | juski: | pebcak? |
| [14:38:32] | Pontiac: | Doubtful. :P |
| [14:38:42] | juski: | :-\ |
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| [14:39:08] | sphery: | I think it's just an unhandled case in MythWeb or something--as it looked like the backend was doing the right thing |
| [14:39:17] | juski: | whee hometime |
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| [14:42:44] | Pontiac: | Ok, so the problem seem to still exist. I forced the one I want to record, and defaulted the one i don't, and MythWeb still thinks both should be recorded. Checking back end. |
| [14:43:10] | sphery: | check the frontend's Upcoming Recordings, too |
| [14:43:16] | Pontiac: | Will do. |
| [14:44:58] | Pontiac: | Canada's Worst Driver 42 TDCC 08 18:00–19:00 1 0 0 O C 0/0 |
| [14:44:58] | Pontiac: | Holmes on Homes – "Drain Disda 43 HGTVC 08 18:00–19:00 1 1 1 C 1 20/0 |
| [14:46:51] | Pontiac: | The FE says both are going to record. |
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| [14:46:54] | Pontiac: | Wait.. Sec |
| [14:47:25] | sphery: | So, Canada's Worst Driver is a conflict and Holmes on Homes will record on card 1, input 1 |
| [14:47:33] | sphery: | the backend has it right |
| [14:47:37] | Pontiac: | CWD says "Override Recording +0 Conflicting" |
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| [14:47:53] | Pontiac: | Holmes says "Channel Record +20 Will Record" |
| [14:48:02] | sphery: | that's in mythfrontend? |
| [14:48:05] | Pontiac: | Yes. |
| [14:48:05] | sphery: | if so, it's right, too |
| [14:48:22] | Pontiac: | But I told (Via Web) that I want to record CWD. |
| [14:49:04] | Pontiac: | I gotta go. Which ever gets recorded I'm OK with. Repeats are abundant. ;) |
| [14:49:05] | Pontiac: | BBL |
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| [14:49:45] | sphery: | how--with a Activate or a proper override (i.e. clicking the title in MythWeb's Upcoming Recordings and under "Schedule Override" selecting "Record this specific showing")? |
| [14:49:53] | sphery: | Pontiac: ^^^ |
| [14:50:04] | sphery: | I'd lay odds that a proper override will work |
| [14:50:14] | sphery: | Activate is "less reliable" as much more is involved |
| [14:50:37] | Essobi: | Morning. |
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| [14:51:41] | sphery: | Dibblah: I put a comment on the ticket and I think it should be marked closed/invalid or closed/wontfix--especially since we now have the multiple-favorites channel groups |
| [14:52:16] | sphery: | Dibblah: but, my stupid Firefox lost its cookies, so it was anonymous |
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| [15:15:07] | Dibblah: | sphery: I've closed it. |
| [15:15:29] | Dibblah: | I don't mind being the "bad guy" :) |
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| [15:16:35] | Dibblah: | Thanks a lot for the investigative work, though :) |
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| [16:17:53] | Pontiac: | sphery> I just selected the "schedule override" and Web is still showing that both are going to record. |
| [16:22:12] | Pontiac: | http://pastebin.ca/1452007 |
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| [16:24:00] | sphery: | Pontiac: that just says that Holmes on Homes is going to record, but in all the previous --printsched's you've posted (which also had the other show), it shows the other show is a conflict |
| [16:24:16] | sphery: | recording at Jun 08 18:00–19:00 |
| [16:25:01] | Pontiac: | Theres another thing for ya to look at though... Even though its saying that one is a conflict, and the other is going to get recorded, what I noticed just now is that Holmes is available a few days later. |
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| [16:25:38] | darkdrgn2k3: | hi, |
| [16:25:51] | darkdrgn2k3: | an 8200 nvidia doesnt support hardware hdtv right? |
| [16:26:31] | sphery: | Pontiac: yeah, but unless you select, "Reschedule Higher Priorities: Move higher priority programs to other cards and showings when resolving conflicts. This can be used to record lower priority programs that would otherwise not be recorded, but risks missing a higher priority program if the schedule changes.", Myth always records the first showing possible. |
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| [16:27:05] | Pontiac: | Where is that? |
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| [16:29:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | anywone which nvidia supports hd hardwaore/ |
| [16:29:03] | darkdrgn2k3: | support |
| [16:29:32] | sphery: | Pontiac: frontend settings under Scheduler Options on the General Recording Priorities |
| [16:30:17] | sphery: | Pontiac: you don't have the same callsign on multiple channels, do you? That would cause MythWeb to be all messed up (as it's a broken configuration). |
| [16:30:47] | Pontiac: | I don't think so, no. I'll check. |
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| [16:44:41] | Pontiac: | Call signs check out. TDCC and HGTVC. |
| [16:45:17] | Pontiac: | http://imagebin.ca/view/rdUyMjq1.html |
| [16:47:40] | Pontiac: | Heading out again. |
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| [16:49:03] | darkdrgn2k3: | which HD hardware soltion is the oen that works the best with myth, nvidias? |
| [16:49:52] | Pontiac: | I'm all about nVidia |
| [16:50:11] | sid3windr: | is there another? |
| [16:50:31] | darkdrgn2k3: | "Unfortunately, while VDPAU should benefit a number of users, it will also create a divide in the Linux community. NVIDIA has released documentation that will allow other vendors to add VDPAU support to their own drivers, but so far, no-one has announced any plans to do that. On the contrary, AMD is working on its own new extension, called "XVideo Bitstream Acceleration", or XvBA, which will support hard |
| [16:51:24] | sid3windr: | yeah, but it doesn't really exist |
| [16:51:26] | sid3windr: | the amd one |
| [16:51:39] | darkdrgn2k3: | oh? |
| [16:52:06] | darkdrgn2k3: | did "ATI" screw the end user again? |
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| [16:54:38] | sphery: | I think ATI just decided not to make their API public. Instead, they have one guy working to add XvBA as a backend for the "standard" Intel is pushing called VAAPI. Then, developers will add VAAPI support to their apps and it will work with an VAAPI backend--including the ATI XvBA one. |
| [16:55:13] | sphery: | However, VAAPI and its XvBA backend aren't really usable, today, and only time will show what the future holds |
| [16:55:29] | darkdrgn2k3: | what do you tihkn of nvidia's attempt? |
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| [16:55:45] | pak0: | hi all people good affternon |
| [16:55:45] | darkdrgn2k3: | so far AFAIK they have been the beakon for linux integration into linux... |
| [16:55:47] | sphery: | I'm the worst person to ask. I think hardware acceleration is a waste. |
| [16:55:58] | darkdrgn2k3: | sphery: how come ? |
| [16:56:08] | darkdrgn2k3: | sphery: asside rom VxMC being a complete waste :-p |
| [16:56:16] | darkdrgn2k3: | *from* |
| [16:56:21] | sphery: | because hardware decode is simply the most expensive software you can create |
| [16:56:34] | sphery: | and it's a /lot/ easier for FOSS developers to change soft software |
| [16:56:58] | darkdrgn2k3: | sphery: yes but hardware lets you create smaller and cooler units. |
| [16:57:21] | sphery: | i.e. so when new CODEC's come out or new profiles for existing CODEC's or <things change>, people using hardware decode are stuck at the mercy of a company that may or may not decide to support the new stuff |
| [16:57:23] | darkdrgn2k3: | right now im batteling with my stupid cute, trying to figure out where to put it. |
| [16:57:39] | darkdrgn2k3: | *cute=cube* |
| [16:58:07] | darkdrgn2k3: | and if you are running hardware, you drop back to software for stuff that cant be played |
| [16:58:17] | darkdrgn2k3: | besides, why does windows now have a problem with HD content? |
| [16:58:18] | sphery: | I also believe that small/quiet is a waste of money--that's why houses have other rooms/closets :) |
| [16:58:36] | darkdrgn2k3: | sphery: yeh, few props with that |
| [16:59:02] | darkdrgn2k3: | sphery: im in a condo... no room |
| [16:59:16] | darkdrgn2k3: | sphery: closets have no ventalation, and they go up a few degrease (or 10s ) |
| [16:59:49] | darkdrgn2k3: | its bad enough that my hd antenna cant pick up a single channel.... and im on the 13th floor! |
| [16:59:49] | meshe: | in the 500 sq ft condo i was in i just had a mATX case beside the tv |
| [17:00:16] | darkdrgn2k3: | meshe: exacly, back to small and quaite |
| [17:00:18] | darkdrgn2k3: | quite |
| [17:00:32] | meshe: | it's still a regular desktop case |
| [17:01:04] | darkdrgn2k3: | meshe: yeh i have a cube right now.... its nice but... i dont know...... |
| [17:01:33] | darkdrgn2k3: | need to replace the mobo to get hdmi and optical out .. |
| [17:01:58] | darkdrgn2k3: | whats better.. amd or intel |
| [17:02:52] | darkdrgn2k3: | for processors |
| [17:02:54] | troldrik: | intel |
| [17:03:11] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k3: anyway, IMHO, by the time VDPAU (which is significantly farther along in Myth than any other approach) is well supported by a) drivers and b) Myth and is usable for most of the things you want to use it on, it won't be necessary (as ffmpeg is adding multi-threaded decoding that will allow any of today's mid-to-low-range Core 2 Duo's to decode even high-bitrate H.264). |
| [17:04:03] | sphery: | but that's just my opinion, so feel free to disregard |
| [17:04:09] | darkdrgn2k3: | its gonna be like XvMC then |
| [17:04:20] | darkdrgn2k3: | its nice.. but just not worth the pain |
| [17:04:31] | sphery: | others can tell you the current state of VDPAU (I don't use it/don't have a card that supports it) |
| [17:04:51] | darkdrgn2k3: | fair enough thanx |
| [17:05:07] | darkdrgn2k3: | right now i dont even have an HD source.. and i probably wont get one :'( |
| [17:05:43] | sphery: | that said, though, I'm using all NVIDIA cards in my Myth boxes--and after considering switching to ATI--have decided to stick with NVIDIA (mainly because of AMD's lack of support for pure 64-bit Linux systems--i.e. without multilib/32-bit support) |
| [17:06:10] | sphery: | so, if I do upgrade my Myth boxes, they'll get new nvidia cards |
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| [17:06:48] | meshe: | i'm personally sticking with nvidia and intel |
| [17:06:57] | darkdrgn2k3: | this wont support HD right? AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3500+ |
| [17:07:13] | meshe: | i've never bought an AMD chip (except in a laptop) |
| [17:07:31] | sphery: | assuming that's a dual core, it would definitely handle MPEG-2 |
| [17:07:45] | darkdrgn2k3: | dam |
| [17:07:47] | darkdrgn2k3: | single core :( |
| [17:07:55] | sphery: | but I'd recommend going for a nice low-TDP (=low power = low heat) X2 5200+ or so |
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| [17:08:20] | sphery: | 45WTDP (either AMD or Intel) or 35W TDP AMD (don't know of any Intel chips at 35W TDP) |
| [17:08:44] | darkdrgn2k3: | TD? |
| [17:08:45] | darkdrgn2k3: | P? |
| [17:08:57] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k3: for single core, it will most likely work--some people have 3000+ working--but having more headroom is a good thing |
| [17:09:01] | sphery: | Thermal Design Power |
| [17:09:08] | darkdrgn2k3: | aaa |
| [17:09:08] | troldrik: | Thermal DESIGN Power. |
| [17:09:18] | troldrik: | Doesn't mean the cpus actually uses that. |
| [17:09:31] | sphery: | i.e. if you buy top of the line CPU's, you'll usually get somewhere around 105W or 120W TDP |
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| [17:10:11] | sphery: | as the tech improves and is washed down to midrange/low end, it gets more efficient, so what was a 105W proc could be a 45W or whatever |
| [17:10:20] | troldrik: | Intel penryn gens C2Ds idle at 3 watts, tops at 35–40 watt. |
| [17:10:56] | sphery: | and, yeah, every processor uses a different amount of power, but if you look at TDP, you have a good idea of how it compares to other procs |
| [17:11:23] | darkdrgn2k3: | socket 775 is the intel proceesors right |
| [17:11:46] | FR^2: | it's the "old" one for intel core2 and such |
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| [17:12:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | oo whats the new one |
| [17:12:15] | darkdrgn2k3: | 1366? |
| [17:12:32] | troldrik: | http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athl . . . 0.html#sect0 |
| [17:12:35] | sphery: | OK, so now there are 2 35W Intel's, but both are Celeron's, so don't use them |
| [17:13:09] | troldrik: | why not? |
| [17:13:21] | darkdrgn2k3: | celerys?? thye cant crunch numbers! |
| [17:13:28] | troldrik: | @_@ |
| [17:13:33] | sphery: | Celeron's are low-performance Intel chips |
| [17:13:58] | sphery: | Good chip from AMD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103255 , better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103298 |
| [17:13:59] | troldrik: | They're just single core c2d conroe gen chips. |
| [17:14:10] | troldrik: | Nothing wrong with them. |
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| [17:15:40] | troldrik: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116091 better intel chip |
| [17:16:19] | sphery: | So, Intel's starts at 65W: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . category=343 |
| [17:16:38] | troldrik: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128363 |
| [17:16:46] | troldrik: | sphery: DESIGN |
| [17:17:19] | troldrik: | look at my link, c2ds use less actual power at idle and load. |
| [17:18:13] | troldrik: | TDP is just a ballpark figure for the heatsink and system designers. |
| [17:19:26] | sphery: | troldrik: look at the chips they compared--they were not 65W TDP ones... They compared 95W and 125W TDP Athlons to 65W TDP Pentiums... http://xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/athl . . . ntium_4.html |
| [17:19:32] | sphery: | apples != oranges |
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| [17:19:52] | Dibblah: | sphery – C2D Mobiles will draw 25w at the wall for a full system (- hard drive) |
| [17:20:01] | sphery: | but--imagine this--the ones with higher DESIGN power used more power |
| [17:20:16] | sphery: | I was looking at desktop ones |
| [17:20:18] | Dibblah: | Smallest C2D will pull about 50w for a full system. |
| [17:20:31] | Dibblah: | (Chipset is ~15–20w) |
| [17:20:51] | Dibblah: | I would seriously suggest looking at an Ion, though :) |
| [17:21:11] | sphery: | regardless, TDP is still a better point of comparison than nothing |
| [17:21:25] | Dibblah: | It can be very misleading. |
| [17:21:43] | sphery: | And I have said that TDP is more an upper limit and that every processor (every single chip) uses a different amount of power |
| [17:21:49] | troldrik: | VDPAU isn't stable. |
| [17:21:51] | Dibblah: | Nope. |
| [17:22:05] | Dibblah: | Intel defines TDP as maximums. |
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| [17:22:12] | Dibblah: | AMD is 'normal operation'. |
| [17:22:32] | Dibblah: | ISTR, anyway. |
| [17:22:34] | troldrik: | And the atom won't do hd by itself |
| [17:23:16] | Dibblah: | Without deinterlacing and deblocking, it might on the multicore. |
| [17:23:25] | Dibblah: | And it definitely will for mpeg2. |
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| [18:07:09] | darkdrgn2k3: | troldrik: how unstable is VDPAU |
| [18:07:52] | troldrik: | well... vdpau itself worked fine for me in trunk, once I upped the number of buffers. |
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| [18:08:04] | troldrik: | It's only in svn myth though... |
| [18:08:08] | darkdrgn2k3: | yeh i know |
| [18:08:17] | troldrik: | And the rest of myth was bloody unstable and broken. |
| [18:08:24] | darkdrgn2k3: | yeh? |
| [18:08:25] | darkdrgn2k3: | dam QT4! |
| [18:08:35] | darkdrgn2k3: | i was gonn ask how stable is svn for normal use |
| [18:08:52] | darkdrgn2k3: | i really wanna use one of those cool themes that they have been working on... |
| [18:08:57] | darkdrgn2k3: | now that i have an HD tv |
| [18:09:02] | GreyFoxx: | I use the VDPAU video rendere for several months now and it works perfectly... I accidentially used the decode for 2 weeks without realizing it. And no glitches hence why I didn't notice |
| [18:09:10] | GreyFoxx: | troldrik: What specifically was unstable ? |
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| [18:09:21] | GreyFoxx: | Mine is very stable |
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| [18:09:32] | darkdrgn2k3: | GreyFoxx: any word on the new themes for trunk? |
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| [18:09:36] | troldrik: | mythfrontend segfaulted for whatever reason serveral times. |
| [18:09:43] | GreyFoxx: | darkdrgn2k3: I don't work on themes, not idea :) |
| [18:09:45] | troldrik: | channel scanner segfaulted. |
| [18:10:01] | laga: | and how many of these did you report? |
| [18:10:04] | GreyFoxx: | Did you get any backtraces or report any of it? |
| [18:10:13] | troldrik: | laga: zero :p |
| [18:10:17] | GreyFoxx: | I've had no fe segfaults in a while |
| [18:10:22] | darkdrgn2k3: | GreyFoxx: ok forgot who it was.. but i saw screenshot a few moths ago.. they loooked awsome.. like that other video thing.. |
| [18:10:25] | GreyFoxx: | haven'ttouched the channel scanner though as I don't need it |
| [18:10:52] | troldrik: | mythvideo scans / if I didn't use a clean config. |
| [18:11:09] | troldrik: | which I couldn't due to the channel scanner not working. |
| [18:13:05] | GreyFoxx: | Myth video scanned / ?? That sounds more like the upnp media scanner on the backend if mythvideo had never been run to set the videostartupdir |
| [18:13:22] | GreyFoxx: | The code itself "should" prevent that |
| [18:14:54] | troldrik: | 04:06 < troldrik> 'MythVideo: Adding MediaMonitor device: /' |
| [18:15:11] | GreyFoxx: | Ahhh ok, that's a different thing altogether |
| [18:15:21] | GreyFoxx: | for some reason it was watching that for usb/cdrom changes |
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| [18:17:40] | troldrik: | DTVSignalMonitor::GetScanStreamData() don't have the whole backtrace on the channel scanner. |
| [18:18:01] | troldrik: | but it segfaulted in that... PAL pvr350 card. |
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| [18:20:04] | GreyFoxx: | Now that is something I've never had to do... scan with a PVR card |
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| [18:20:18] | GreyFoxx: | I should try that one of these days out of curiousity |
| [18:21:29] | troldrik: | Shrug... listings don't come with channel freqs round these parts. So it's the only way, apart from tinkering with the db table directly. |
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| [18:22:03] | troldrik: | Had to study for an exam... so I decided not to cock with it and went back to .21. |
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| [18:43:38] | RDV_Linux: | troldrik: You mentioned with vdpau you need to "upped the number of buffers". Where can I adjust these buffers? With the mythtv internal player and vdpau I get 30 second pause every 2–3 minutes. Vdpau work perfectly with mplayer. |
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| [18:47:18] | troldrik: | RDV_Linux: vdpau was artifacting badly because it was dropping frames on some h.264 files. |
| [18:48:11] | troldrik: | Doesn't sound like it's the same issue.. |
| [18:48:23] | darkdrgn2k3: | what do you guys thing of thie motherboard |
| [18:48:23] | RDV_Linux: | Thanks but where did you adjust the buffers? It sounds like your issue was completely different then mine. |
| [18:48:23] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=7976 |
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| [18:50:34] | troldrik: | too AMDy. |
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| [18:55:03] | troldrik: | RDV_Linux: NUM_VDPAU_BUFFERS in videoout_xv.cpp |
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| [18:55:38] | troldrik: | had to increase it to 25 (tried 21 first) before all the h.264 files played fine. |
| [18:55:56] | RDV_Linux: | Thanks I may try that. |
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| [18:56:57] | RDV_Linux: | clear |
| [18:59:00] | ** kormoc shocks RDV_Linux ** | |
| [18:59:25] | RDV_Linux: | kormac: ??? |
| [18:59:57] | kormoc: | you said clear, the traditional thing to say before using a defibrillator |
| [19:00:08] | jpabq: | RDV_Linux: you don't watch enough medical dramas |
| [19:00:16] | kormoc: | ^^ |
| [19:00:31] | RDV_Linux: | OK now I get it :-D |
| [19:00:59] | RDV_Linux: | Unless they are scfi related I find them boring. |
| [19:01:16] | kormoc: | SciFi Medical Dramas? |
| [19:01:39] | jpabq: | Aliens was a great movie! Very medical |
| [19:01:52] | RDV_Linux: | Sure some medical stuff in for example Fringe. |
| [19:02:34] | kormoc: | Meh, harder to make a drinking game, House is awesome for that |
| [19:03:10] | darkdrgn2k3: | so anyone know if this board will work decently -> http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=7976 |
| [19:03:45] | kormoc: | As troldrik said, too amdy imho |
| [19:04:16] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: whats wong with amd? |
| [19:04:33] | ** GreyFoxx wonders how difficult it will be to make mythweb have a default RecGroup for a specific user when they make recordings ** | |
| [19:04:55] | darkdrgn2k3: | GreyFoxx: shouldnt be to hard.. im sure you could do cookies :-P |
| [19:05:30] | GreyFoxx: | getting the user name is simple. I just need to find the best place to put the if user = blah, and regroup = default then recgroup = blah |
| [19:05:31] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, there was talk about having the frontend suppor that as well, via having a 'specail' recording rule that we could all use |
| [19:06:06] | kormoc: | GreyFoxx, just store it in the $_SESSION and if (isset($_SESSION['default_recgrou['])... |
| [19:06:57] | GreyFoxx: | I want to make sure my motherinlaws recordings go to her own Recgroup :) |
| [19:07:01] | darkdrgn2k3: | soo wahats wrong with amd? |
| [19:07:06] | kormoc: | heh, fair 'nuff |
| [19:07:21] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k3, I don't like them, but it's only my personal opinion |
| [19:07:32] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: any specific reason? |
| [19:08:08] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k3, I find their hardware offerings lower quality then Intel's, they tend to have more issues, and tend not to be a good value for the money |
| [19:08:15] | GreyFoxx: | If you talk to enough people you will always find someone who has a bad taste for everything |
| [19:08:32] | jpabq: | darkdrgn2k3: my historical dislike has to do with the chipsets --- poor linux drivers. Nothing wrong with AMD itself, and the driver situation is getting better. |
| [19:08:40] | kormoc: | Intel spends a lot of time and money writing their own linux drivers for their hardware, fixing bugs, and keeping things current, you don't have that backing from AMD |
| [19:09:02] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: but it AFAIK most of the drivesr are open source for the board |
| [19:09:11] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: and its using nVidia chipset for the gfx card.. |
| [19:09:21] | darkdrgn2k3: | kormoc: so no amd-written drivers.. or am i wrong? |
| [19:09:22] | sphery: | IMHO, now that ATI = AMD, the AMD chipsets are getting better than ever. |
| [19:09:34] | GreyFoxx: | I have the opposite opinion. I find AMD a much better value for the money |
| [19:09:34] | sphery: | Though I'll admit that Intel makes some really nice processors |
| [19:09:52] | GreyFoxx: | but if I wasn't a miserly bastard I would likely go with Intel more often |
| [19:09:53] | troldrik: | except that whole... ahci is totally broken on ATI^WAMD crapsets. |
| [19:10:18] | darkdrgn2k3: | ahci? |
| [19:10:21] | sphery: | I'm using AHCI on at least 3 different AMD-based mobos |
| [19:10:25] | sphery: | and no problems at all |
| [19:10:32] | ** GreyFoxx wants an Intel atom with 5 pci slots :) ** | |
| [19:10:52] | ** jpabq wants a Core i7 ** | |
| [19:11:10] | sphery: | Advanced Host Controller Interface--basically allows use of SATA without special SATA drivers |
| [19:11:21] | GreyFoxx: | I am looking for something low power, than I cna populate with drive controllers, and or PCI capture cards :) |
| [19:11:29] | ** sphery has /never/ used any SATA driver other than AHCI ** | |
| [19:11:34] | GreyFoxx: | don't need much CPU, just slots / ports |
| [19:11:54] | Dibblah: | That's not exactly correct. For AHCI, you need AHCI drivers. |
| [19:11:55] | sphery: | why not the new PCIe capture cards? |
| [19:12:06] | sphery: | right, but not card-specific SATA drivers |
| [19:12:07] | GreyFoxx: | sphery: Because I already have the PCI cards :) |
| [19:12:11] | sphery: | ahhh |
| [19:12:13] | sphery: | makes sense |
| [19:12:21] | GreyFoxx: | they are just spread over several more power hungry boxes |
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| [19:12:29] | ** Dibblah hugs his 7 slot PCI expander ;) ** | |
| [19:12:29] | sphery: | (or chipset-specific SATA drivers) |
| [19:12:44] | GreyFoxx: | dibbz: Those are crazy expensive aren't they ? |
| [19:12:54] | GreyFoxx: | Last time I looked at one is was thousands |
| [19:12:55] | Dibblah: | ebay is a wonderful place. |
| [19:13:02] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [19:13:02] | jpabq: | GreyFoxx: I can send you some more HD-3000 cards. I got tired of finding PCI motherboards, and switched to HDhomeruns instead. |
| [19:13:17] | Dibblah: | ... As long as you're patient and just use a automatic bid program. |
| [19:13:24] | ** darkdrgn2k3 cries ** | |
| [19:13:26] | darkdrgn2k3: | i get not hdtv sources |
| [19:13:46] | jpabq: | darkdrgn2k3: satellite an option? |
| [19:13:53] | darkdrgn2k3: | jpabq: nop facing wrong way |
| [19:14:01] | darkdrgn2k3: | jpabq: atsc is not picking up a single channel.... dont know why |
| [19:14:06] | darkdrgn2k3: | jpabq: and cable company a bastard |
| [19:14:09] | GreyFoxx: | heh |
| [19:14:34] | sphery: | darkdrgn2k3: IMHO, if you have digital TV--even if it's not HDTV--and can capture directly (i.e. DVB-T or whatever), you have good quality, just lacking a little definition (but not that much) |
| [19:14:37] | GreyFoxx: | I'm considering dropping my digital cable/firewire and going with regular cable + sat with hdpvr's |
| [19:14:50] | sphery: | if you're stuck with PAL/NTSC, though, you should cry... :( |
| [19:15:09] | darkdrgn2k3: | sphery: i cant figufre out why i cant pick up any atsc channels |
| [19:15:13] | jpabq: | darkdrgn2k3: based on that link, I assume you are in Canada? |
| [19:15:20] | troldrik: | darkdrgn2k3: probably scrambled. |
| [19:15:28] | darkdrgn2k3: | troldrik: no my old place.. i was 3 floors lower |
| [19:15:36] | darkdrgn2k3: | troldrik: and pickingup 5 channels with a settop antenna |
| [19:15:37] | sphery: | but if you're talking atsc, then for you digital/hdtv are mostly overlapping... |
| [19:16:05] | darkdrgn2k3: | now im 3 floors higher... and cant pick up a single station |
| [19:16:31] | darkdrgn2k3: | (3 blocks way.. so geographically not much differnt |
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| [19:19:40] | Dibblah: | Multipath is a tricky thing. |
| [19:19:57] | Dibblah: | 10cm can make a lot of difference in antenna placement. |
| [19:21:38] | GreyFoxx: | dibbz: How well does your PCI expander work? using one of those MAgma expander cards ? |
| [19:25:58] | Dibblah: | Fine. |
| [19:26:12] | Dibblah: | It's not actually a Magma – It's an Avid. |
| [19:26:24] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dibblah: any suggestions on how to find the optimal antenna placement |
| [19:26:37] | Dibblah: | But it's the same thing – PCI bridge on a card, then cable, then PCI bridge out to 7 slots. |
| [19:27:03] | Dibblah: | darkdrgn2k3: Tune the frontend then move the antenna around. |
| [19:27:16] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dibblah: what am i looking for |
| [19:27:21] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dibblah: usinb the HVR 1600 |
| [19:27:32] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dibblah: seems signal and srn is the same |
| [19:27:41] | Dibblah: | S/N |
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| [19:27:46] | Dibblah: | Yes, they can be. |
| [19:28:01] | Dibblah: | If you have BER reported, then you want the lowest BER. |
| [19:28:21] | darkdrgn2k3: | its usually 0.. but sometimes jumps up a bit |
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| [19:29:42] | darkdrgn2k3: | ie: |
| [19:29:43] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/susen . . . onal-366426/ |
| [19:29:44] | darkdrgn2k3: | oops |
| [19:29:52] | darkdrgn2k3: | sorry didnt copy |
| [19:30:02] | darkdrgn2k3: | ber: 327d |
| [19:30:14] | darkdrgn2k3: | then 0 then 3281 then 329d |
| [19:30:32] | darkdrgn2k3: | best signal i could get was in teh ac range |
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| [19:42:56] | pak0: | where can i change the keys of keyboard control on mythtv? |
| [19:43:23] | Kernel: | hello all. anyone here ever have issues with vdpau? everytime i use vdpau when i hit the back button to close the movie im currently watching it freezes up my whole computer(keyboard is unresponsive...i cant ssh in) and i need to hard reboot the machine. |
| [19:43:31] | pak0: | my remote mce (chip philipis, product conceptronic) dont read the config from lircrc, only work 4 keys... |
| [19:45:07] | GreyFoxx: | Kernel I've certainly never had that happen |
| [19:45:42] | iamlindoro: | nor I |
| [19:46:38] | highzeth: | nor I |
| [19:46:40] | Kernel: | GreyFoxx, ....out of the 3 times ive ive tried using the built in vdpau in mythtv it has crashed all 3 times. i have only tested it with x264 video(both 720 and 1080). i have a nice video card(gtx260) and my machine is otherwise stable as heck |
| [19:47:14] | Kernel: | and i know its working as when i use the vdpau playback profile the cpu usage when playing hd stuff is low. |
| [19:47:23] | darkdrgn2k3: | jsut wwanted to confirm.. the gforce 8200 suppoers VDPAU right? |
| [19:47:36] | Kernel: | i think so...but i have no idea. |
| [19:47:48] | Kernel: | try googling around for "vdpau supported cards" |
| [19:47:55] | iamlindoro: | Yes |
| [19:48:05] | troldrik: | 8200 ought to. |
| [19:48:09] | iamlindoro: | Though it will be extremely limited as far as which deinterlacers you can use |
| [19:48:22] | iamlindoro: | You will be limited to the less attractive deint |
| [19:48:38] | Kernel: | im also using the latest beta nvidia driver |
| [19:49:06] | troldrik: | iamlindoro: Which cards can use the advanced deint at 60hz? |
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| [19:49:44] | iamlindoro: | Assuming you mean the 2x advanced, then I would say the 8500 or 9500 or better |
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| [19:50:51] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: at the moment im looking at replacing my board with this: http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=7976 |
| [19:50:56] | darkdrgn2k3: | to support hdmio and opticla out |
| [19:51:39] | iamlindoro: | It's not a very good GPU, so as previously mentioned you'll need to use 1x deinterlacers, and the lower end ones at that |
| [19:51:56] | iamlindoro: | If you want something better with HDMI/audio/etc. then get a 9400 onboard |
| [19:52:06] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: but for an onboard card its not bad right? |
| [19:52:12] | iamlindoro: | It's pretty bad |
| [19:52:19] | iamlindoro: | it's the worst VDPAU capable chip |
| [19:52:28] | darkdrgn2k3: | iamlindoro: can you suggest a better board? |
| [19:52:36] | iamlindoro: | "iamlindoro: If you want something better with HDMI/audio/etc. then get a 9400 onboard" |
| [19:52:37] | darkdrgn2k3: | or can i get a better board for about the same price |
| [19:52:40] | troldrik: | gigabyte e7aum-ds2h |
| [19:52:50] | iamlindoro: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp . . . ;x=0&y=0 |
| [19:53:06] | darkdrgn2k3: | hmm nice |
| [19:53:07] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://www.pccanada.com/viewitem.asp?id=9303 |
| [19:53:14] | iamlindoro: | Plus, it's Intel, so even better |
| [19:53:23] | GreyFoxx: | Kernel: What revision of trunk are you running? Something recent ? |
| [19:53:27] | darkdrgn2k3: | but i need to get a chip :'( |
| [19:53:58] | darkdrgn2k3: | is that board one compatible with nix? |
| [19:54:05] | troldrik: | yes. |
| [19:54:12] | darkdrgn2k3: | dam just a chip now |
| [19:54:15] | troldrik: | I'm using one. |
| [19:54:15] | darkdrgn2k3: | i have a celery but eewe |
| [19:54:35] | darkdrgn2k3: | baa special order :-S |
| [19:55:10] | nambo: | only reason celerys suck is because of the limited cache memory on them |
| [19:55:27] | darkdrgn2k3: | yeh well |
| [19:55:32] | wagnerrp: | and reduced bus speed |
| [19:55:43] | troldrik: | depends on the celly... p4 based cellys are bloody awful. |
| [19:55:59] | nambo: | wagnerrp: well, Core2s have reduced bus speed |
| [19:56:02] | nambo: | too |
| [19:56:07] | darkdrgn2k3: | wow td sells it for 184.99 |
| [19:56:13] | nambo: | it's the cache that equals performance |
| [19:57:18] | wagnerrp: | depends on the application |
| [19:57:26] | darkdrgn2k3: | hmm this one is not bad |
| [19:57:27] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=1533 |
| [19:57:48] | wagnerrp: | expensive and recertified |
| [19:57:49] | nambo: | new intel chips have an average of 12MB cache... celerys are lucky to have 256kb cache |
| [19:58:30] | troldrik: | only highend quads have 12MiB. |
| [19:58:31] | nambo: | cheap board |
| [19:58:52] | nambo: | troldrik: new cores they just came out have it |
| [19:59:02] | darkdrgn2k3: | nambo: what do you mean cheap? |
| [19:59:03] | wagnerrp: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813141015 ... same board, unused |
| [19:59:12] | nambo: | pynryn cores |
| [19:59:27] | nambo: | darkdrgn: just that, GeForce boards are junk |
| [19:59:36] | darkdrgn2k3: | aaa.. i se |
| [19:59:37] | wagnerrp: | the new cores they just came out with have 9MB of cache |
| [19:59:39] | darkdrgn2k3: | i know i had one |
| [19:59:44] | darkdrgn2k3: | i lost gigabit on it.. just out of the blue |
| [19:59:54] | nambo: | i've built a few comps with them, they're all cheap |
| [20:00:01] | darkdrgn2k3: | (reember thses are canadian prices) |
| [20:00:03] | nambo: | got one on my bench right now, lasted a few years |
| [20:00:14] | nambo: | guess it wasn't the board that did it in, the CPU fan went out |
| [20:00:25] | nambo: | but still... cheap caps, cheap components, etc |
| [20:01:28] | nambo: | if you want a good board, get good 4000, 5000 VRM Hour caps... ASUS makes a few boards with high VRM caps |
| [20:01:50] | troldrik: | Gigabyte's 9400 board is all solid caps |
| [20:01:51] | nambo: | first thing that goes out on 90% of motherboards first, is a cheap, chinese cap |
| [20:02:16] | nambo: | yeah... gigabyte's newer boards make use of good caps |
| [20:02:35] | troldrik: | http://ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=35764& . . . ure=Gigabyte |
| [20:03:03] | nambo: | i think i finally figured out what's wrong with my mythtv box picking up digital signals |
| [20:03:13] | nambo: | i think my line has too many splits on it |
| [20:03:51] | nambo: | sucks.. i have to use a $120 pchdtv 5500 as a analog tuner until i get that fixed |
| [20:04:00] | nambo: | ugh, pain in the a** |
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| [20:11:42] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: This is what I've got |
| [20:11:59] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: it's better than I expected |
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| [20:12:29] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: there are a few minor quirks but not really to complain about |
| [20:12:54] | android6011: | For a myth based htpc, how does nvidia 8600gt, 4gb ram, and Intel Core 2 Duo E7300 sound? |
| [20:12:57] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: if you want to consolidate I think that's the board |
| [20:13:14] | mchou: | android6011: almost overkill |
| [20:13:27] | GreyFoxx: | Whcih board is that ? Did you paste a URL ? |
| [20:13:31] | android6011: | mchou: which parts are overkill |
| [20:13:43] | android6011: | i want 1080p hd for a 47" lcd |
| [20:13:49] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: oh, sorry. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186146 |
| [20:14:19] | GreyFoxx: | cool |
| [20:14:21] | mchou: | android6011: it's a good enough box. |
| [20:14:43] | android6011: | mchou: but why almost over kill? because of the graphics or b.c of the processor? |
| [20:14:58] | GreyFoxx: | That would do it, and the board is cheap enough it's worth just trying it |
| [20:14:59] | mchou: | android6011: both really (for mpeg2) |
| [20:15:13] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: I'm pretty happy with it |
| [20:15:27] | android6011: | I plan on watching a lot of downloaded hd videos etc |
| [20:15:56] | android6011: | what is a good graphics processor combo? b.c i dont mind buying something cheaper and using the parts i have in a diff build |
| [20:16:02] | mchou: | android6011: I still think it's overkill but if that's cheap then get it |
| [20:16:37] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: dont use the on board display for playback. Intel has minor tearing |
| [20:16:49] | android6011: | i already have the machine built, i was just considering using it for a htpc |
| [20:17:14] | mchou: | android6011: heck, if you have it then by all means use it |
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| [20:18:22] | mchou: | GreyFoxx: of course I'm using older kernel. New kernel might have that fixed. I havent kept up |
| [20:18:54] | darkdrgn2k3: | this looks like a nice baord. but no gfx on it :-S |
| [20:18:55] | darkdrgn2k3: | http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Search . . . p;CatId=1572 |
| [20:19:22] | mchou: | darkdrgn2k3: what is your fixation on Tiger direct? |
| [20:19:27] | mchou: | they suck |
| [20:19:49] | android6011: | mchou: is it all good enough for a blueray drive ? I want to get one eventually |
| [20:19:49] | nambo: | hey! you stole my mobo! |
| [20:19:49] | nambo: | heh |
| [20:19:52] | nambo: | i got that same board in my mythtv box |
| [20:20:10] | nambo: | spdif on it is crap, btw |
| [20:20:16] | nambo: | but other than that, it's a good board |
| [20:20:16] | darkdrgn2k3: | mchou: its down the street from me :-P |
| [20:20:23] | mchou: | android6011: it's good enough for BR |
| [20:20:41] | darkdrgn2k3: | just looking at their intell chipsets |
| [20:20:45] | darkdrgn2k3: | easiwer to see then pccanada |
| [20:20:58] | nambo: | spdif onboard gives too much feedback |
| [20:21:05] | android6011: | has anyone here evered measured how many watts their htpc build uses? |
| [20:21:29] | nambo: | htpc? |
| [20:21:34] | wagnerrp: | somewhere around 50W, about double under load |
| [20:21:41] | android6011: | home theater pc |
| [20:22:00] | android6011: | wagnerrp: is 50w about standard? |
| [20:22:02] | nambo: | ohh, well, that depends upon the PSU and components you put in it |
| [20:22:09] | wilturn: | mine sits at about 70W according to kill-a-watt (3 hdds, ati 3450, 450W PSU) |
| [20:22:18] | Kernel: | GreyFoxx, well im using latest 0.21-fixes with some patches to enable vdpau into 0.21.....i was just wondering if my problem was a known issue with vdpau in general..but now its starting to look like its the patches i use. these are the pacthes im using http://avenard.com/media/MythTV_%26_VDPAU/MythTV_%26_VDPAU.html |
| [20:22:33] | android6011: | i think mine idles at around 65watts according to kill-a-watt |
| [20:22:33] | mchou: | wilturn: ati3450??? |
| [20:22:34] | nambo: | 50W is a little low |
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| [20:22:45] | mchou: | wilturn: that even have xv? :) |
| [20:22:52] | wilturn: | mchou, lol.. yeah.. cheapest HDMI capable I could find at the time |
| [20:22:56] | wagnerrp: | nambo: depends on the PSU |
| [20:23:01] | nambo: | best way to find out, hook it up to a UPS, and read what the load on the UPS is |
| [20:23:06] | wagnerrp: | cheap PSUs get really inefficient at low power outputs |
| [20:23:07] | wilturn: | meh UDV/XvMC is still not there on ATI, no |
| [20:23:22] | mchou: | wilturn: no, xv, not xvmc |
| [20:23:30] | nambo: | wagnerrp: really depends totally on the load, what you have in the box |
| [20:23:38] | mchou: | wilturn: as in xvideo |
| [20:23:53] | wilturn: | yeah, I get xv :) |
| [20:24:18] | mchou: | wilturn: what proc you got? |
| [20:24:23] | nambo: | DC switching power supply is a pretty simple device |
| [20:24:35] | wilturn: | mchou: intel E2200 oc'd to 2.4 |
| [20:24:44] | wilturn: | plays everything except 'killa sample' smoothly |
| [20:24:54] | mchou: | wilturn: there's your problem right there |
| [20:24:57] | wagnerrp: | this was a machine at work, 2GB DDR2, Core2 8400, integrated intel graphics, 80GB hard drive |
| [20:25:05] | mchou: | OC means power sucka |
| [20:25:12] | wagnerrp: | was running 0.41A idle, 0.9A under load |
| [20:25:41] | wilturn: | yeah you are right about the power.. the appletv sat at 15W but couldnt decode worth a damn :) |
| [20:25:44] | nambo: | mchou: mostly on the CPU and memory, and/or video card |
| [20:25:44] | mchou: | wilturn: all power savings is out the window if you OC |
| [20:26:17] | wilturn: | ahh it's not *that* bad but you're right.. I'd be worse off with a big GPU I didn't need |
| [20:26:18] | nambo: | you're dealing with small voltages and currents usually, so it's not that much, on a oc |
| [20:26:19] | wagnerrp: | well its fairly easily calculable |
| [20:26:34] | wagnerrp: | power goes up linearly with frequency, squared with voltage |
| [20:26:43] | wilturn: | and then add in the heat you have to dissipate |
| [20:26:47] | nambo: | P = V * I |
| [20:26:53] | wagnerrp: | its not going to be exact, but its a close estimate |
| [20:26:59] | nambo: | it's not just a rule, it's the law |
| [20:27:01] | nambo: | hehe |
| [20:27:05] | darkdrgn2k3: | aww e7aum-ds2h doesnt have coax audio out? |
| [20:28:05] | darkdrgn2k3: | but i guess teh HDMI out has audio :-P |
| [20:28:33] | nambo: | wagnerrp: in communications, it's dBm tho.... dB can tell you everything |
| [20:28:39] | nambo: | it's kinda neat |
| [20:28:54] | troldrik: | darkdrgn2k3: 'Optional' bracket. |
| [20:29:07] | nambo: | just have to know the logorithimic ratio to use |
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| [20:30:13] | Kernel: | this looks just like the issue im having http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/384853 |
| [20:31:06] | nambo: | i'm on mythbuntu myself, i had issues as well with the upgrade |
| [20:31:19] | nambo: | i had to do a hatchet job, and redo the os |
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| [20:34:00] | mchou: | anyone here ever a directv customer? |
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| [20:36:41] | cityLights1: | hi all |
| [20:37:13] | cityLights1: | yesterday I erashed the channel list from mythtv-setup by mistake |
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| [20:37:36] | cityLights1: | I tired to restore from the daily backup -but it doesnt work |
| [20:37:44] | cityLights1: | how can I restore the channel list? |
| [20:39:36] | pak0: | when i plug an external hard drive to mythbuntu, they stay all time hot, include on idle, what process i have to watch? |
| [20:39:41] | pak0: | tracker is off |
| [20:40:41] | android6011: | if i took the 8600gt card out of my machine, would onboard geforce 7100 be good enough for hd including blueray? |
| [20:41:05] | wagnerrp: | android6011: what is your processor? |
| [20:41:15] | android6011: | core 2 duo e7300 |
| [20:42:00] | wagnerrp: | HD, yes |
| [20:42:25] | android6011: | what if i kept the 8600 gt, could i downgrade the processor? if so what range processor would be good? |
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| [20:42:26] | wagnerrp: | but bluray and hddvd will be a stretch |
| [20:43:47] | wagnerrp: | you could probably handle any mpeg2 HD, but h264 and VC1 at the 20mbps+ speeds you get on HD disks will probably be too much |
| [20:44:25] | wagnerrp: | as for VDPAU, you need a processor good enough to run a couple MBps of IO, and handle audio decoding |
| [20:44:39] | android6011: | so i should just keep the core 2 duo and 8600 to keep things smooth? |
| [20:44:42] | wagnerrp: | which probably means something in the P2 family or better |
| [20:45:07] | android6011: | oh wow, so i could probably get just about any old 775 socket processor? |
| [20:45:22] | wagnerrp: | with VDPAU, yes |
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| [20:45:35] | android6011: | how do i enable vdpau? |
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| [20:45:56] | wagnerrp: | use trunk, set the proper configure flags |
| [20:46:20] | android6011: | ok |
| [20:46:39] | android6011: | without vdpau the current hardware i have is plenty to handle just about any hd video? |
| [20:47:18] | wagnerrp: | you can play any mpeg2 you might find |
| [20:47:45] | wagnerrp: | you can play h264 up to maybe 11–12mbps per core |
| [20:47:54] | wagnerrp: | vc1... i dont really know |
| [20:48:13] | android6011: | is that a good or bad thing for h264? |
| [20:48:26] | SHADOW_V: | the hdpvr outputs h.264 correct? |
| [20:48:35] | wagnerrp: | correct |
| [20:48:41] | wagnerrp: | single sliced, so only single core playback |
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| [20:49:46] | cityLights1: | I try to run mythconverg_restore.pl --verbose --restore_xmltvids --filename ~/mythconverg-1235–20090608000203.sql.gz |
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| [20:49:59] | cityLights1: | and get ERROR 1062 (23000) at line 856: Duplicate entry '????-2' for key 1 |
| [20:50:01] | SHADOW_V: | ok so a 2.4ghz c2d or higher is fine correct or is vdpau better |
| [20:50:02] | iamlindoro: | 11–12 Mbit is below the HD-Pvr max, and wayyyyy below Blu ray bitrates |
| [20:50:09] | cityLights1: | ERROR: Cannot write to mysql |
| [20:50:27] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok |
| [20:50:33] | iamlindoro: | so the long and the short of it is that that processor probably won't manage Blu Ray/HD-DVD content, and would probably struggle mightily with high bitrate HD-PVR captures |
| [20:50:35] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: ffmpeg (non-mt) only seems to support single threaded VC1 decoding at the moment? |
| [20:50:38] | cityLights1: | this issue aint covered in the wiki |
| [20:50:51] | SHADOW_V: | i need to weigh options might be getting hd pvr |
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| [20:51:26] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I'm not 100%, I've got The Dark Knight and I'm *pretty* sure it multithreads (and is definitely VC-1), but I'd have to check at home |
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| [20:51:43] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: may be another of those "only certain encoding options" things |
| [20:52:08] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp: I was in the ffmpeg dev channel yesterday and there was talk of the ffmpeg-mt merge starting sometime soon, so that'd be good news |
| [20:52:19] | wagnerrp: | ok, ive been playing some of these HDDVDs (all VC1) on my desktop |
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| [20:52:31] | wagnerrp: | and ffdshow (a couple weeks old) is only single threaded |
| [20:52:44] | wagnerrp: | i havent actually tried software decoding on either of my myth boxes yet |
| [20:52:47] | iamlindoro: | yeah, no idea on fdshow especially, I've never used it |
| [20:52:52] | iamlindoro: | er ffdshow |
| [20:53:43] | sphery: | iamlindoro: on the ffmpeg-mt merge, would that work for most real-world H.264 |
| [20:53:59] | wagnerrp: | oddly, it seems a C2 2.7 is *almost* fast enough for most of these movies, even single threaded |
| [20:54:09] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I should think, I'm not aware of any material it wouldn't work for |
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| [20:54:34] | iamlindoro: | sphery: But I'm not intimately knowledgeable it's limitations either |
| [20:54:36] | wagnerrp: | i remember seeing things that it used to have trouble with some multisliced files, but i dont know if thats the case any longer |
| [20:54:36] | sphery: | so the whole sliced/not sliced thing--it works for both (I probably have the terms all messed up) |
| [20:54:38] | iamlindoro: | er about its |
| [20:54:49] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Right, slices are immaterial |
| [20:54:54] | sphery: | cool |
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| [20:55:57] | iamlindoro: | There was also some interesting discussion compating current h.264 decode in libavcodec with coreavc |
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| [20:56:15] | iamlindoro: | more or less indicating that ffmpeg's decode is now as fast or faster on most material |
| [20:56:16] | wagnerrp: | musical names! |
| [20:56:24] | sphery: | iamlindoro: so if they do get it in, it may actually be there for 0.22... The users have no idea how much of a favor the devs are doing them by taking a while to get 0.22 out... :) |
| [20:56:38] | iamlindoro: | yeah, and I meant "comparing libavcodec" |
| [20:57:03] | iamlindoro: | sphery: I thought that same thing-- if it can just get pushed off a few more months... :) |
| [20:57:32] | iamlindoro: | sphery: but we all know it's really about deciding who can have the new features and who can't, declared from on high. ;) |
| [20:59:00] | CityLights: | thnaks |
| [20:59:20] | sphery: | CityLights: for the --restore_xmltvids option, you have a complete database, already, right? |
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| [20:59:30] | CityLights: | ok, last night I try to add another pc with a tv card to act as a second backend |
| [20:59:46] | CityLights: | right I got a full database |
| [20:59:51] | CityLights: | it worked fine last night |
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| [21:00:24] | sphery: | and you did a full rescan (or delete all video sources, then rescanned)? |
| [21:01:10] | CityLights: | I deleted the video source from the second backend, and was sure it was to only be removed there |
| [21:01:27] | sphery: | video sources are global--which I'm sure you learned :) |
| [21:01:42] | CityLights: | seems it pointed to the main mysql and removed the primary backend vidoe soiurce |
| [21:01:53] | CityLights: | ya I got it now :-) |
| [21:02:34] | CityLights: | so all I need is just the video source |
| [21:02:47] | CityLights: | I tried a full resote but also get an error |
| [21:03:12] | sphery: | so, anyway, the current implementation of restore-xmltvid's is very naive... It basically assumes that the callsigns you have in the already-configured-state (i.e. before wiping video sources) are identical to the ones post-scan... If not, you may have to edit the SQL you got from the --backup_xmltvids ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_an . . . nnel_scan.29 ) |
| [21:03:24] | sphery: | Oh, and I'm assuming you actually did the --backup_xmltvids |
| [21:03:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Jeepers – was just researching the LCoS projectors – 18,362:1 contrast for the JVC DLA-HD750 ... wow.... CRT-Grade! (Of course,it's like $7000 though!) |
| [21:04:01] | sphery: | CityLights: though looking back at your command line, it looks like you didn't as you're trying to restore xmltvid's using a full backup |
| [21:04:12] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: Heh, mine is 3 LCD, but I'm quite happy with it |
| [21:04:12] | CityLights: | sphery: no I didnt do the --backup_xmltvids |
| [21:04:14] | sphery: | CityLights: unfortunately, I haven't written the code to do it that way, yet |
| [21:04:23] | CityLights: | I am counting on the daily backup |
| [21:04:40] | sphery: | CityLights: but since I'm feeling slightly bored/generous right now... |
| [21:05:12] | CityLights: | ( I only studied btrees now, wish I knew mysql) |
| [21:05:19] | CityLights: | that is B-trees |
| [21:05:24] | wagnerrp: | 3 LCD? |
| [21:05:33] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: The first time I saw a LCoS set, I knew it was likely to be HUGE... It was a 50" or so Sony rear-projection set, and the blacks were stunning... I said to my friend "I can't wait until they're making projectors based on LCoS!"... |
| [21:05:38] | wagnerrp: | does each do contrast only? |
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| [21:05:54] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: No, 1 Red, 1 Green, 1 Blue... |
| [21:06:06] | SHADOW_V: | like old projectors |
| [21:06:08] | wagnerrp: | right, contrast only on the backlight |
| [21:06:24] | wagnerrp: | i knew there were 3x DLP projectors, but didnt know they made 3x LCD ones |
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| [21:07:11] | J-e-f-f-A: | wagnerrp: LCoS is not transmissive, it's reflective like DLP. But LCoS are triple-chip, so no rainbow effect. LCD projectors have always been triple-chip. |
| [21:09:38] | CityLights: | sphery: should I send you the backup? |
| [21:09:42] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I've got a really old-school SD CRT projector now — fantastic blacks, but only about 200 lumens and SD... :-( |
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| [21:12:12] | iamlindoro: | I like my projector, no plans of replacing it any time soon, and it's 1080p, so works for me |
| [21:13:08] | CityLights: | brb |
| [21:14:30] | SHADOW_V: | iamlindoro, do you use it often |
| [21:14:37] | SHADOW_V: | and have you had to replace the bulb yet |
| [21:14:45] | iamlindoro: | As often as I like to watch my TV with images |
| [21:14:55] | iamlindoro: | and no |
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| [21:15:22] | SHADOW_V: | hmm |
| [21:15:42] | basment: | Thanks to everyone here for their help! All is working for me now :) |
| [21:15:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: I'm not trying to put it down... Heck, it's about 500x better than my current projector... ;-) I was just dreaming of the blacks on the LCoS ones... ;-) |
| [21:15:45] | SHADOW_V: | i dont know how often that is i regularly hear tv instead of watch it and try to imagine whats going on |
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| [21:16:14] | basment: | FYI: ... my problem was that i didn't have the same IP in the myth backend setup in both places... duh |
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| [21:16:33] | iamlindoro: | J-e-f-f-A: The next one I buy will need to be Laser or at least OLED, this one will do for quite some time, and incremental improvements are unlikely to make me replace it |
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| [21:17:28] | J-e-f-f-A: | iamlindoro: Awesome technologies... ;-) I wonder if the laser ones will 'twinkle' though like a 'normal' laser pointer does? |
| [21:17:45] | iamlindoro: | Apparently they have substantial technology to prevent that |
| [21:18:02] | Furkle: | so how functional is the windows version of mythTV? |
| [21:18:41] | Furkle: | I've got an HD 650 and windows media center is giving me a headache over it as a result of living in Canada |
| [21:18:47] | sphery: | CityLights: zcat mythconverg-1235–20090608000203.sql.gz | grep "INSERT INTO \`channel\` " | sed -e 's/INSERT INTO.*VALUES //' -e 's/),/)\n/g' | awk 'BEGIN { FS="," }; {printf "UPDATE channel SET xmltvid = %s WHERE callsign = %s;\n", $10, $5 }' > mythtv_xmltvid_backup-20090608000203.sql |
| [21:19:01] | sphery: | CityLights: careful with the copy/paste |
| [21:19:09] | iamlindoro: | Very functional if you're in it to develop the windows version, not so much if you're looking to run a production environment |
| [21:19:09] | CityLights: | right |
| [21:19:10] | wagnerrp: | i thought the 'twinkling' was just a function of cheap diode lasers not holding a precise frequency |
| [21:19:39] | iamlindoro: | Furkle: If you're looking to run a backend in windows, you are sunk, not possible ATM, aside from some recent patches to allow one to use the HDHomeRun |
| [21:19:55] | iamlindoro: | There is no interface between myth and the windows capture aPI |
| [21:19:57] | iamlindoro: | er API |
| [21:19:57] | wagnerrp: | HD 650... isnt that the ATI Cablecard tuner? |
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| [21:20:25] | Furkle: | yeah |
| [21:20:27] | Furkle: | that's great... |
| [21:20:37] | iamlindoro: | That will *never* happen with myth, regardless of platform |
| [21:20:44] | sphery: | CityLights: guess it may be easier in a pastebin... http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1452359 |
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| [21:22:14] | CityLights: | 1. should I pasebin the file I get? |
| [21:22:16] | SHADOW_V: | anyone have mythtv fe in osx |
| [21:22:29] | CityLights: | o ok |
| [21:22:31] | Furkle: | ugh... all the DVR packages just seem like complete and utter garbage |
| [21:22:45] | sphery: | CityLights: the file you get is what you would have gotten with mythconverg_backup.pl --backup_xmltvids |
| [21:22:47] | CityLights: | this file is missing the frequencies |
| [21:22:50] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: I had it running on my wife's intel mac a few months ago, haven't updated it lately. |
| [21:23:03] | sphery: | CityLights: it's just using callsign |
| [21:23:18] | nambo: | sphery: think i figured out the issue with mine |
| [21:23:20] | CityLights: | so I need to scan again? |
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| [21:23:31] | sphery: | if you need another field as the before/after equality, adjust the awk to output it |
| [21:23:31] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: I built a dedicated Myth fronthend for the living room instead... ;-) |
| [21:23:40] | nambo: | came to me about 4am last night, when my digital box in my bedroom went pixilated on the tv |
| [21:23:41] | sphery: | CityLights: or let me know how you want to match them up |
| [21:23:47] | sphery: | nambo: what was it? |
| [21:24:06] | nambo: | i think the signal is bad |
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| [21:24:26] | nambo: | i ran that mythtv.org script today, for finding QAM channels, while i was running around. |
| [21:24:32] | nambo: | got signals on none of the channels |
| [21:24:42] | sphery: | CityLights: yeah, the xmltvid backup is /only/ the xmltvid's--it assumes you use the channel scanner to get new channels... If you just want the channels you had before: zcat mythconverg-1235–20090608000203.sql.gz | grep "INSERT INTO \`channel\` " > restore_channels.sql |
| [21:24:42] | wagnerrp: | mythtv.org script? |
| [21:24:43] | CityLights: | sphery: thanks, but can I restore the frequencies that each channel had? |
| [21:24:45] | nambo: | didn't record a thing |
| [21:24:51] | CityLights: | also, how to restore it now? |
| [21:25:10] | SHADOW_V: | J-e-f-f-A, i just want to watch mythtv videos while retaining comm flagging on be bought mbp |
| [21:25:12] | CityLights: | thanks |
| [21:25:16] | SHADOW_V: | on soon to be* |
| [21:25:20] | nambo: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Adding_QAM_Channel . . . _Tuner_Cards |
| [21:25:37] | sphery: | nambo: I feel your pain... I was having some signal issues for a while and eventually, while trying various things to fix it (none of which worked), it just got not bad, again... |
| [21:25:52] | sphery: | crazy analog signals carrying digital information... |
| [21:25:56] | nambo: | i'm wondering if an amplifier might fix it |
| [21:26:31] | CityLights: | excelent! the last line was exectly waht I was looking for |
| [21:26:37] | sphery: | CityLights: if you use the restore_channels.sql, just a) make sure you TRUNCATE TABLE channel; then b) mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg < restore_channels.sql |
| [21:26:38] | CityLights: | pls tell me how to restore it |
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| [21:26:42] | nambo: | yeah... Quadrature Amplitude Modulation |
| [21:26:56] | nambo: | Amplitude being the height of the sine wave... fun stuff |
| [21:27:10] | SHADOW_V: | J-e-f-f-A, i use .21-fixes on my backend should i have any issues running a fe on osx |
| [21:27:30] | sphery: | CityLights: though note that if it's digital, you'll need a /bunch/ of other tables, and you should really do a new scan (do the video sources portion of http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 and then recreate video sources, input connections, then scan for channels) |
| [21:27:42] | sphery: | CityLights: i.e. channel does /not/ have all the info you need for digital channels |
| [21:27:45] | CityLights: | it is analog |
| [21:28:02] | sphery: | CityLights: then it should work |
| [21:28:04] | nambo: | the crazy thing is, each kind of modulation has all it's own formulas, not even the phds remember all of them |
| [21:28:06] | CityLights: | what does a) make sure you TRUNCATE TABLE channel; mean? |
| [21:28:08] | nambo: | i got books of them |
| [21:28:16] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: I only used it a dozen or so times, but it did work. I also run 0.21-fixes. I didn't build it from source, I just downloaded it and installed it. ;-) If you want, when i'm home later tonight I can update it to the latest and let you know how it works. |
| [21:28:43] | nambo: | but yeah... i'm thinking i'll bring the cable box from upstairs down here and test it.. see what it gets |
| [21:28:59] | jduggan: | nambo number five |
| [21:29:01] | nambo: | easy way to test without using a coax linetester |
| [21:29:04] | jduggan: | sry, couldnt resist |
| [21:29:19] | nambo: | number 5? |
| [21:29:32] | nambo: | heh, not getting the reference |
| [21:29:37] | sphery: | CityLights: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "TRUNCATE TABLE channel;" && mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg < restore_channels.sql |
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| [21:30:12] | CityLights: | :-) you are such a saver |
| [21:30:14] | CityLights: | THANKS |
| [21:30:17] | sphery: | worked? |
| [21:30:27] | jduggan: | someone else will enlighten you on that reference, nambo ;] |
| [21:30:43] | nambo: | sphery is a well of information |
| [21:30:57] | sphery: | nambo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mambo_No._5 |
| [21:30:59] | nambo: | jduggan: i am not a number, i am a free man!! |
| [21:31:05] | nambo: | ohh... lol |
| [21:31:13] | jduggan: | lol |
| [21:31:15] | kormoc: | thank god he's not a artesian well... |
| [21:31:29] | J-e-f-f-A: | nambo: And no, it's not "Beef With Broccoli" from the chines restaurant... ;-) Search for the movie "Short Circuit" |
| [21:31:33] | CityLights: | worked, but the shows are missing |
| [21:31:39] | nambo: | i've seen that movie |
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| [21:31:43] | nambo: | been about 15 years |
| [21:31:45] | CityLights: | I am running the mythfill now |
| [21:32:01] | sphery: | yeah, you'll need to do that |
| [21:32:30] | nambo: | you guys hear about how the chinese are making everybody install porn filtering software on their computers? |
| [21:32:52] | nambo: | crazy how they have new rules every day concerning "internet safety" |
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| [21:32:57] | CityLights: | how should I backup the channel list now? |
| [21:33:25] | SHADOW_V: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah that would be great i am debating when to place my order but it will def be soon |
| [21:33:36] | CityLights: | also , if the second pc that I want to use as a second backend has a diffrent tv card, how can it have its own frequency list? |
| [21:33:49] | Wicked: | so i have the same issue as this http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/commits/384853 and the fix it says(to downgrade nvidia driver to 180.51) seems to work for me. |
| [21:33:55] | sphery: | CityLights: do full backups--best bet, though, is to do full restores when you make a mistake |
| [21:34:17] | sphery: | CityLights: therefore, before messing with your DB/channel configuration/video sources/... /always/ do a backup |
| [21:34:32] | CityLights: | ok, I will remember this |
| [21:34:43] | sphery: | I'm guessing you have the backup script set up, so doing a backup before messing with config takes about 30s (including 27s of compressing :) |
| [21:34:54] | CityLights: | but does mythtv keep a new frequency list for each backend? |
| [21:34:59] | sphery: | nope |
| [21:35:00] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: You going to be doing HD playback on it? I have ATSC 720p (and perhaps 1080i) programs, but no 1080p or MPEG4 sources to test for you right now... |
| [21:35:06] | sphery: | video sources are global |
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| [21:35:12] | sphery: | and are linked to global channels |
| [21:35:26] | sphery: | the video source is connected to a per-capture-card input |
| [21:35:42] | CityLights: | well the reason I removed the video source was that I didnt see the second backend |
| [21:35:42] | sphery: | so, you'll never have a problem even if 2 different backends use channels on different frequencies |
| [21:35:51] | sphery: | (i.e. they'll have different video sources, so different channels) |
| [21:35:57] | CityLights: | in fact, how can I test to see that it is alive? |
| [21:36:11] | sphery: | best bet is to look at the log file for the backend |
| [21:36:35] | sphery: | or, shut down the mythbackend process on that computer, then start it up in a terminal so you can see the output and fix the problems |
| [21:36:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: And for reference my wife's mac is a 17" iMac – Intel C2D 2Ghz (IIRC) |
| [21:37:03] | J-e-f-f-A: | CityLights: Check for a pulse!!!!! |
| [21:37:05] | SHADOW_V: | J-e-f-f-A, well i can use something else for 1080p but i am going to be recording hd content from either firewire hdpvr or qam |
| [21:37:13] | CityLights: | I see |
| [21:37:16] | Wicked: | hmm. so i signed up on that mailing list..but i dont know how i can reply to that thread.... |
| [21:37:37] | CityLights: | well I assume that when I hit the watch tv in the front end I would be asked to choose a backend |
| [21:37:56] | SHADOW_V: | J-e-f-f-A, mine will be 15 mbp new one wireless n 3.06ghz c2d 9600 and 9400 |
| [21:38:15] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: Well, HDPVR will be MPEG4... That will be pretty demanding. I think FW and direct QAM will still be mpeg2, but I may be wrong on that... ;-) |
| [21:38:19] | Wicked: | doh! it says in the help part i cant. oh well |
| [21:38:22] | CityLights: | by the way the USB->DVI converter is nice |
| [21:38:48] | CityLights: | new development going on and it is nice |
| [21:38:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | CityLights: Is it fast enough for video? I had (have?) a usb->vga that's like a VNC session... ;-) |
| [21:39:10] | CityLights: | yes |
| [21:39:12] | sphery: | CityLights: nope, it will always choose the best local input (if it's a combined frontend/backend) or the best input (if it's a dedicated frontend) or--if, and only if you specified, "Avoid conflicts between LiveTV and recordings"--it will choose the worst input--even if there's a local one |
| [21:39:15] | SHADOW_V: | J-e-f-f-A, yeah well 3.06ghz should beable to handle mpg4 shouldnt it i dont know how mac handles video |
| [21:40:15] | CityLights: | ok, so the mistake was my, I should have named the video source diffrent on the second pc to allow TWO video sources |
| [21:40:34] | CityLights: | and then get two channel lists |
| [21:40:51] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: Well, MPEG4 is very demanding... so it may be enough, it may not be... Lots of factors come into play... |
| [21:41:05] | CityLights: | J-e-f-f-A:chk out http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/libdlo |
| [21:41:07] | SHADOW_V: | right |
| [21:41:15] | sphery: | CityLights: video sources represent some unique collection of channels |
| [21:41:23] | SHADOW_V: | J-e-f-f-A, doesnt mac use the gpu |
| [21:41:33] | sphery: | CityLights: so if you have the identical channels on both backends, you should have only one video source |
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| [21:41:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: I'll at least update it to the latest package I can find for the mac 0.21-fixes frontend, and fiddle around with it. Maybe I'll even poke around for some HDPVR samples to try playing back on it. |
| [21:42:06] | sphery: | i.e. if you have a signal from the same antenna plugged into both backends, use one video source |
| [21:42:55] | J-e-f-f-A: | CityLights: Gee, ex-Amiga hardware developers perhaps? (They named the chip!) |
| [21:42:58] | CityLights: | but if the two pcs have a diffrent frequency list? |
| [21:43:44] | sphery: | SHADOW_V: high-bitrate/high-resolution MPEG-4 AVC (H.264) is a strain for even top-of-the-line general purpose processors |
| [21:43:51] | CityLights: | for example the second pc receives ch3 poorly and I dont want it to record it |
| [21:44:02] | sphery: | SHADOW_V: though it sounds like that may be changing RSN |
| [21:44:18] | sphery: | (i.e. ffmpeg gaining multithreaded decoding support) |
| [21:44:43] | CityLights: | sphery:? |
| [21:45:07] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [21:45:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: I dunno – probably for MPEG2, but not sure if it has MPEG4 hardware support (yet?) – especially in Myth. Heck, VDPAU support is still pretty new to Myth. ;-) |
| [21:45:12] | sphery: | CityLights: while you could use different video sources for that, you may be better off using one and using "custom priorities" to prevent that backend (or some specific input) from recording from bad channels |
| [21:45:28] | CityLights: | thanks |
| [21:45:35] | CityLights: | I think I got it now |
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| [21:45:54] | pak0: | when commes out myth 0.22? |
| [21:45:55] | sphery: | CityLights: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/307620#307620 |
| [21:45:56] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: Gee... does 'top' exist on OS X? ;-) |
| [21:46:05] | SHADOW_V: | yes |
| [21:46:09] | J-e-f-f-A: | pak0: When it's ready. ;-) |
| [21:46:27] | sphery: | CityLights: if you have 2 video sources, Myth will actually download listings twice |
| [21:46:33] | pak0: | can i upgrade from 0.21? |
| [21:46:43] | CityLights: | ok |
| [21:46:44] | pak0: | i cannot find the way at wiki |
| [21:46:45] | CityLights: | thanks |
| [21:46:52] | CityLights: | I will read the thread |
| [21:46:53] | kormoc: | pak0, that's because there is no 0.22 yet |
| [21:46:57] | J-e-f-f-A: | pak0: Wait until it's actually released. It doesn't exist yet. |
| [21:47:03] | sphery: | pak0: trunk is currently in a rather unstable state |
| [21:47:04] | pak0: | ok |
| [21:47:10] | pak0: | thank you |
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| [21:47:14] | CityLights: | I am sorry but my SO is demending I disconnect |
| [21:47:16] | sphery: | pak0: if you want a working DVR, I /highly/ recommend 0.21-fixes |
| [21:47:27] | CityLights: | sphery: I use trunk |
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| [21:47:43] | CityLights: | its works better on my ATI then 0.21 fixes |
| [21:47:47] | sphery: | pak0: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ , the part that says, "For the stable version" |
| [21:48:01] | sphery: | though it seems that svn.mythtv.org is kinda dead (or very slow) right now |
| [21:48:31] | CityLights: | I asked here and also confirmed at the ubunto that ati seg fault 0.21 fixes |
| [21:48:34] | sphery: | CityLights: what works might work better, but there's a /lot/ that's still broken/not working/not ready for primetime :) |
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| [21:48:48] | CityLights: | I agree |
| [21:49:01] | sphery: | CityLights: pretty sure you just need to set an environment variable |
| [21:49:05] | CityLights: | the issue of focus was marked fixed but it isnt |
| [21:49:10] | sphery: | CityLights: it's a bug in the ATI drivers/Qt3 |
| [21:49:26] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: Ok – I'll take a look at that tonight. Will you be on? If not, feel free to PM your email and I'll shoot you a reply. ;-) (it'd be at least 2 hours from now...) |
| [21:49:38] | CityLights: | also, my analog scan wasnt fixed yet |
| [21:49:41] | sphery: | CityLights: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 84228#384228 |
| [21:49:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | analog? |
| [21:49:57] | CityLights: | so analog cards, can't actully scan with current trunk |
| [21:50:17] | CityLights: | bt878 |
| [21:50:30] | J-e-f-f-A: | ;-) ^^^ was just thinking about that 80-year old lady in the digital transition parody video. |
| [21:50:35] | CityLights: | the bug is that it trys to scan using dvb code |
| [21:51:55] | CityLights: | ok off, |
| [21:52:05] | CityLights: | "(coming dear...)" |
| [21:52:07] | sphery: | CityLights: or it was (don't remember which): export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS="1" |
| [21:52:11] | CityLights: | good night folks |
| [21:52:24] | CityLights: | I will be back tommorow |
| [21:52:57] | CityLights: | thanks sphery, I appriciate your help a lot |
| [21:53:02] | sphery: | enjoy |
| [21:56:48] | CityLights: | o almost forgot |
| [21:56:58] | CityLights: | how can I fix job #4 |
| [21:57:02] | CityLights: | o o |
| [21:57:04] | CityLights: | next time |
| [21:57:07] | CityLights: | sorry |
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| [22:13:18] | th1: | is it possible to make mythtv "Record on any channel" rule but only for a specific Video Source? E.g. I want to record EastEnders on any channel but only FreeTV because it doesn't figure out that the episodes are the same on satellite.. but I can't find an option for it. Is it possible? |
| [22:13:42] | th1: | or can I have a "Record at any time on this channel" for both BBC1 and BBC3, and then it will still find dupes between those two? |
| [22:13:53] | th1: | I mean if I specify the freeview channels specifically |
| [22:14:02] | highzeth: | sounds like a power search to me |
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| [22:14:52] | th1: | highzeth, not possible from the regular "recording schedule" menu? |
| [22:15:11] | th1: | I know it's possible to specify an *input*.. but not Video Source afaics |
| [22:15:40] | highzeth: | power search works on channel(s), not sure about input(s) |
| [22:15:57] | th1: | if it works on channels it would be good enough for me |
| [22:16:01] | th1: | but where is it? ;) |
| [22:17:13] | highzeth: | custom record sounds about right |
| [22:17:30] | highzeth: | Ive only used it via web, but seems to be it |
| [22:19:27] | sphery: | highzeth: it's custom record, but if you use the frontend, you get examples that you modify--one of which is exactly what you're trying to do |
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| [22:20:49] | highzeth: | understood, I read up and had enough to get going with web ui.. had to check when th1 asked, never used it via frontend before =) |
| [22:24:13] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: Have you setup your FiOS boxes on myth yet? ;-) I'm really, really strongly considering switching now... ;-) (even if it's HD boxes feeding PVR's via S-Video for a while) |
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| [22:24:46] | kormoc: | not yet |
| [22:25:30] | th1: | sphery, highzeth: thanks, I'm going to try and modify my rule :) |
| [22:25:52] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: ;-) Thanks... Anything worthwhile on the 'analog' 50 channels? |
| [22:25:58] | SHADOW_V: | J-e-f-f-A, thanks for the help |
| [22:26:31] | th1: | sphery: in fact, there is one called "Only on a specific video source" :) |
| [22:26:37] | kormoc: | heh, I'm entirely myth free right now, hulu is keeping the edge off :) |
| [22:26:38] | J-e-f-f-A: | SHADOW_V: hehe... No problem... haven't left work yet, so that 2-hour estimate has to be pushed back to about 1–1/2 from now... DOH! ;-) |
| [22:27:01] | SHADOW_V: | J-e-f-f-A, your doing me a favor its at your leasure |
| [22:27:10] | J-e-f-f-A: | kormoc: WHAT?!?!?!?! Yikes!!!! OH NOOOOO!!!! ;-) |
| [22:27:15] | sphery: | th1: yeah, seems I told the wrong person... glad you saw the comment, anyway :) |
| [22:27:16] | SHADOW_V: | and more work means more mney so thats good |
| [22:27:37] | ** sphery thinks that kormoc must not watch CW shows ** | |
| [22:27:56] | kormoc: | that's likely true |
| [22:28:18] | sphery: | hulu links to the CW site for CW shows, but the CW site only keeps the shows up for 2 weeks |
| [22:28:31] | sphery: | and the CW site /requires/ an "approved" operating system/browser |
| [22:28:46] | sphery: | (i.e. can't watch video without some activex garbage) |
| [22:28:59] | kormoc: | yech |
| [22:29:28] | SHADOW_V: | gross |
| [22:29:35] | SHADOW_V: | enough to not watch cw shows |
| [22:29:42] | SHADOW_V: | just use bloated flash |
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| [22:30:25] | sphery: | yeah, I missed an episode of Supernatural (one of my faves) because of another channel's switching freqs on their digital station and a little HD-3000 driver issue that's triggered by tuning a freq without a signal and had to buy a copy of it (XBox 360) because they took it down days before I was ready to watch it |
| [22:30:52] | SHADOW_V: | hmm |
| [22:30:58] | SHADOW_V: | there must be another way |
| [22:31:01] | SHADOW_V: | wait for another airing |
| [22:31:01] | SHADOW_V: | ? |
| [22:31:37] | sphery: | yeah, but that's hard to do for serials |
| [22:31:46] | sphery: | would have been the end of the summer before I could finish the season |
| [22:31:58] | SHADOW_V: | hmm |
| [22:32:00] | sphery: | actually, hard to do for serials that you enjoy |
| [22:32:06] | SHADOW_V: | right |
| [22:32:10] | SHADOW_V: | i know the feeling |
| [22:32:17] | sphery: | not so bad for some others |
| [22:32:37] | SHADOW_V: | thats why you have others record too just in case |
| [22:32:51] | SHADOW_V: | and goto there house to watch it of course |
| [22:32:53] | SHADOW_V: | ;) |
| [22:32:58] | sphery: | heh, that would work |
| [22:33:19] | sphery: | unfortunately, the only other myth guy I know records all sorts of garbage, instead :) |
| [22:33:30] | SHADOW_V: | eh right |
| [22:33:41] | SHADOW_V: | thats no good |
| [22:33:50] | sphery: | and I think all my non-Myth friends with their cable-co DVR's don't realize that local channels exist (they just record from cable channels) |
| [22:34:23] | SHADOW_V: | heh they rarely do |
| [22:34:23] | th1: | sphery, is there a way to get back and show your existing power search record schedules? |
| [22:35:08] | sphery: | th1: in the frontend, go to Manage Recordings|Set Priorities (yes, that's really the one you want)... Find the rule, then menu or info or something and edit rule |
| [22:35:35] | sphery: | I think if you just hit space/enter (INFO), it will ask you what to do, then select edit |
| [22:35:42] | SHADOW_V: | why do some people still use a 2.4 kernel |
| [22:36:49] | sphery: | Only reason I use it is for my WRT54GL which has OpenWRT and a broadcom wifi (and the broadcom support in the OpenWRT 2.6 build is not "ready", yet)... Other than that, I couldn't think of any reason. |
| [22:37:40] | th1: | sphery, thanks but I can't find the "Edit rule" anywhere. I guess I'll just edit in the database now that I know how it's done so thanks in any case :) |
| [22:37:50] | SHADOW_V: | ah ok thanks also anyone run mythtv on a apple tv |
| [22:38:09] | th1: | anyway beats typing sql with the on screen keyboard ;) |
| [22:38:50] | th1: | sphery, now how can I tell it that all shows on a specific channel are in HD? ;p so I get the HD logo in the menus and in MythWeb searc? |
| [22:40:07] | sphery: | th1: sorry... for editing the /custom/ part of the rule, you go to Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Custom Record, then while in the "Edit Rule" drop-down, right/left to find the rule to edit |
| [22:40:26] | sphery: | th1: I thought you wanted to edit storage options or priority or other "normal" stuff about the custom rule |
| [22:40:42] | th1: | sphery, ah ok thanks :) |
| [22:41:01] | th1: | it works a charm |
| [22:41:46] | th1: | I never needed the custom rules before since only after I added the satellite chans did I get this issue |
| [22:42:35] | sphery: | and, yeah, on-screen keyboard is a pain... I keep a wireless keyboard and mouse connected (but out of the way) for the one time every few months that I need to really type something |
| [22:42:46] | sphery: | but, yeah, the custom rules are great |
| [22:43:04] | sphery: | let me record the series Flashpoint but not the PBS news show Flashpoint |
| [22:43:39] | sphery: | and let me tell it to exclude unidentified episodes (generic episodes) of Nova and New Yankee Workshop and ... |
| [22:43:46] | ** sphery loves Custom Record ** | |
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| [22:48:36] | th1: | sphery, I don't know why but somehow it doesn't realize that showings on FreeView are the same as the ones on FreeSat |
| [22:48:46] | th1: | so I need to restrict it to FreeView |
| [22:49:00] | th1: | I guess the EIT guide is slightly different or whatever... |
| [22:49:01] | sphery: | th1: using EIT data? |
| [22:49:05] | th1: | yes |
| [22:49:23] | th1: | I use EIT for FreeView and FreeSat, and xmltv for other sat |
| [22:49:41] | sphery: | yeah, different data or it may be that your EIT isn't inserted right and its putting some programid's on there (there shouldn't be any for EIT) |
| [22:49:41] | th1: | I never browse more than a week ahead so it seems the easy thing to do |
| [22:49:51] | th1: | well yes |
| [22:49:54] | th1: | it puts some programid |
| [22:50:13] | sphery: | yeah, programid's don't mix across different listings providers |
| [22:50:16] | th1: | but funny enough it puts almost the same programme id but not quite the same |
| [22:50:30] | sphery: | and just having a programid means that the title/subtitle/description are ignored for duplicate matching |
| [22:50:49] | sphery: | (which is why there really shouldn't be any unless there's some way to ensure they're the same across all providers) |
| [22:50:58] | sphery: | sounds like there is across those providers, then |
| [22:51:11] | sphery: | perhaps it's the "defaultauthority" issue that stuarta was working on |
| [22:51:30] | sphery: | (I really don't know much about EIT other than I'm really glad I have Schedules Direct instead of EIT :) |
| [22:53:08] | sphery: | th1: I think this is the issue you're seeing: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 44735#344735 , which should be fixed in 0.22 when it's ready |
| [22:53:45] | th1: | e.g.. for an episode of eastenders: "fp.bbc.co.uk/1FH5RD" on FreeView and on FreeSat it puts only "/1FH5RD" |
| [22:53:53] | th1: | for the same episode |
| [22:54:45] | sphery: | would that be "Astra 28.2" satellite? |
| [22:54:47] | sphery: | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . 42723#342723 |
| [22:54:54] | th1: | yes |
| [22:55:13] | sphery: | then yours is #5562 (again, should be fixed in 0.22) |
| [22:55:44] | th1: | do you know if I can patch it manually to get it in .21? |
| [22:55:48] | sphery: | unfortunately, the fix requires new features (parsing the BAT), so it won't go back to 0.21 |
| [22:56:19] | sphery: | it's not yet fixed in trunk, either... just has the start of a fix |
| [22:56:28] | th1: | ah ok |
| [22:56:42] | th1: | maybe a db fix? |
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| [22:56:51] | th1: | I mean after scanning fix it in the database or something |
| [22:57:03] | sphery: | and thanks for teaching me enough about UK EIT to know that there is sometimes a way to use programid with EIT data... |
| [22:57:05] | th1: | like how I type the xmltv id of my channels.. |
| [22:57:18] | sphery: | you could do it with a hack... |
| [22:57:19] | th1: | I think in UK they try to "do it right" |
| [22:57:31] | th1: | because it is a free and open service |
| [22:58:22] | sphery: | that's cool |
| [22:58:24] | th1: | sphery, I think I will just delete most of the satellite duplicates of the freeview channels, that should sort the problem, anyway I have 3 DVB-T tuners and only 2 Sat tuners |
| [22:58:34] | sphery: | wish we had more of that (rather than "do it for the most profit") in the US |
| [22:58:50] | th1: | well we have pay tv as well ;) |
| [22:58:51] | sphery: | th1: or you can set the channel to be not visible, then it won't record from it |
| [22:59:05] | th1: | yes I will do that in fact that's what I meant ;) |
| [22:59:46] | th1: | I did that with all the weird channels that scanned duplicate channel numbers, but I figured that if you type a hidden chan number it will still tune to it |
| [23:00:08] | sphery: | the biggest problem with hacking the programid after EIT inserts it into the DB is that EIT is constantly running/updating data so you'd have to hack it each time the EIT update changes it back, then you'd have to re-run the scheduler after you make changes... |
| [23:00:12] | th1: | so I also renumbered all the invisible channels like this: update channel set channum=channum mod 10000+80000 where visible=0 |
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| [23:00:40] | th1: | sphery, I was more thinking hacking the EIT updater so it would insert the right ID |
| [23:00:42] | sphery: | better approach would be to hard-code in the defaultauthority for FreeSat |
| [23:00:50] | sphery: | yeah, that would work... |
| [23:00:58] | sphery: | don't know where the eit stuff is, but you could probably find it... |
| [23:01:11] | th1: | defaultauthority would be a problem because there are many channels that are both on freeview and freesat |
| [23:01:42] | th1: | but of course it would be unlikely that they had same program ID so I guess I could just hack DVB-T to use empty authority |
| [23:02:02] | sphery: | basically, before setting programid, check if defaultauthority isEmpty() and if so, instead of defaultAuthority + "/" + whatevervaluetheprogramidis, use "fp.bbc.co.uk" + "/" + whatever |
| [23:02:23] | th1: | ah |
| [23:02:25] | th1: | good point |
| [23:02:26] | sphery: | yeah, could try using empty authority, too |
| [23:02:33] | sphery: | either way should work for a "local" modification |
| [23:03:14] | th1: | I think it will be fine if I just use custom recording rules you showed me, with forcing source to be DVB-T |
| [23:03:34] | th1: | after all with 3 dvb-tuners I hardly ever have conflicts |
| [23:04:00] | th1: | and then I don't have to maintain hacks :) |
| [23:04:00] | sphery: | yeah, that's always the hard part--figuring out which workaround is the least trouble over time :) |
| [23:04:20] | th1: | hehe |
| [23:04:25] | sphery: | but if nothing else, you can be psyched about how great 0.22 will be for you :) |
| [23:04:33] | th1: | I already sort of know |
| [23:05:01] | th1: | and I already look forward to it ;) |
| [23:05:05] | sphery: | me too |
| [23:05:26] | sphery: | just wish I could get done more of the work I'd like to do before 0.22 is released... |
| [23:05:46] | sphery: | unfortunately, I've been way too distracted and haven't been doing the work on Myth I wanted to do |
| [23:05:49] | th1: | I wish Myth would be released more frequently |
| [23:06:05] | th1: | I know some big changes went in that made it hard to release but I hope from 0.22 on it will be more of rolling releases |
| [23:06:21] | th1: | where the trunk doesn't divert from stable as much and we'll see point releases like 0.22.1 etc. |
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| [23:06:44] | sphery: | I'm guessing that we'd be more likely to just see more frequent minor releases |
| [23:06:52] | th1: | that would be great |
| [23:06:55] | sphery: | 0.22.1 is actually more work than 0.23 |
| [23:07:02] | th1: | hehe |
| [23:07:04] | sphery: | (i.e. because it's 2 separate codebases) |
| [23:07:20] | th1: | well |
| [23:08:12] | th1: | I guess most devs want to work on bleeding edge stuff ;) |
| [23:08:26] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:08:37] | sphery: | the plan is to do more frequent minor releases |
| [23:09:05] | sphery: | but the real world gets in the way (0.22 was originally planned to be about 6mos after 0.21) |
| [23:09:12] | th1: | hehe |
| [23:09:21] | th1: | now its more like 2.5 years? ;) |
| [23:09:33] | sphery: | I think we're at about 16mos... |
| [23:09:38] | sphery: | can't check as Trac is down |
| [23:09:38] | th1: | ah ok |
| [23:09:47] | sphery: | ooh it's back |
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| [23:10:01] | sphery: | 15mos |
| [23:10:04] | th1: | well I have used myth since 0.20 and in spite of the slow releases it's still pretty awesome |
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| [23:10:14] | th1: | at least I have made my wife use it ;) |
| [23:10:23] | th1: | and even like it :) |
| [23:10:30] | sphery: | tagged on |
| [23:10:31] | sphery: | tagged on MythTV |
| [23:10:31] | sphery: | Search: |
| [23:10:31] | sphery: | * Login * Help/Guide * About Trac * Preferences |
| [23:10:31] | sphery: | * Wiki * Timeline * Roadmap * Browse Source * View Tickets * New Ticket * Search |
| [23:10:35] | sphery: | Context Navigation |
| [23:10:37] | sphery: | * # Previous Period * Next Period # |
| [23:10:40] | sphery: | Timeline |
| [23:10:42] | sphery: | View changes from |
| [23:10:45] | sphery: | and days back. |
| [23:10:47] | sphery: | Ticket changes Ticket details Repository checkins Milestones Wiki changes |
| [23:10:50] | sphery: | d'ohb |
| [23:10:52] | sphery: | that wasn't Ctrl-c |
| [23:10:55] | sphery: | 03/08/08 |
| [23:11:14] | sphery: | My IRC client even asked if I wanted to paste, and I hit the wrong Ctrl key combo, so I said yes... |
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| [23:13:09] | th1: | hehe |
| [23:13:17] | th1: | the irc server throttles your output when you flood |
| [23:13:24] | sphery: | oops |
| [23:13:45] | th1: | so it came over like a minute or so |
| [23:14:31] | sphery: | good thing the usual people aren't here... I might have gotten banned |
| [23:15:43] | th1: | well if nobody else are talking you're not disrupting anything ;) |
| [23:15:59] | sphery: | yeah |
| [23:16:20] | sphery: | at least it was after I was legitimately trying to help someone :) |
| [23:16:57] | ** kormoc eyes sphery ** | |
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| [23:17:04] | ** sphery hides ** | |
| [23:18:51] | th1: | sphery, http://pastebin.ca/1452550 |
| [23:19:10] | sphery: | hmmm... pastebin... what an interesting idea... :) |
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| [23:19:32] | th1: | you reckon if I do, "update channel set default_authority='fp.bbc.co.uk' where name like '%bbc%' it will solve my problem? |
| [23:19:42] | sphery: | th1: if it's using the value in the channel table, then go ahead and change it |
| [23:20:26] | sphery: | might have to restart the backen for it to start updating the programs through EIT, but... |
| [23:21:00] | sphery: | (don't know if the EIT parser caches the defaultauthority) |
| [23:22:21] | th1: | I think it might do but I wonder if it will update it |
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| [23:22:38] | th1: | I can always delete all the schedule data for the freesat source and wait for it to get re-filled |
| [23:22:42] | sphery: | best way to be sure is a restart |
| [23:22:50] | th1: | I already restarted the master backend |
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| [23:22:56] | sphery: | cool, then you should be good |
| [23:23:17] | sphery: | I'd just let it update as it gets new data rather than erasing your listings for satellite |
| [23:23:18] | th1: | well |
| [23:23:25] | sphery: | can take a while to get new EIT |
| [23:23:35] | th1: | I just wonder as you said if it caches the programid raw |
| [23:23:39] | th1: | with the authority set |
| [23:24:02] | th1: | and of course if it even uses the one from the channel table.. |
| [23:24:09] | sphery: | I haven't looked at the code at all |
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| [23:25:08] | th1: | which table does it even store the listings in? ;) |
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| [23:25:33] | th1: | program.. found it |
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| [23:28:30] | th1: | I did it now, delete from program where chanid in (select chanid from channel where sourceid=7); |
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