Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Saturday, June 6th, 2009, 00:00 UTC

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GreyFoxx:

What's up ?

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** GreyFoxx has found 2 flaws in his PH he has to decide on how to work around **

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, Can I just confirm that the "official" policy on schema or protocol changes in a fixes branch is that it's forbidden?

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-June/257173.html

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iamlindoro:

and response:

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iamlindoro:

http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-June/257177.html

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GreyFoxx:

yes. It has happened but it is very much frowned upon

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iamlindoro:

Just confirming the accuracy of the answer

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GreyFoxx:

and even then it was 0.20–0.20.1

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iamlindoro:

OK, just wanted to make sure if I went to war over it, I was accurate :)

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iamlindoro:

thanks

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GreyFoxx:

So the popcorn hour hates my mpeg2 pvr car drecodings

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GreyFoxx:

see them as vobs with no audio

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iamlindoro:

the PCH is angry at you for watching standard def

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GreyFoxx:

if I convert to a mpegts with no other change thy are fine

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iamlindoro:

Can't you set the recording profile to TS?

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iamlindoro:

It's been a while since I was on an analog capture card, but I thought I recalled that

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GreyFoxx:

I know you use to be able to, I haven't looked in a while

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GreyFoxx:

And problem # 2 ...it converts some characters in a UPNP get url into hex codes

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iamlindoro:

Well that's just naughty

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GreyFoxx:

so GET /moo?variable=meow&moo=cat becomes GET /moo%3Fvariable=meow%26moo=cat

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GreyFoxx:

I should be able to work around that in the backend code ...but ugh

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GreyFoxx:

wtf

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sphery:

I think we took out the TS-writing code

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sphery:

was buggy and not really helpful

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GreyFoxx:

at one point the ivtv stuf let you select it.. no idea if it actually worked

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sphery:

yeah, think that was removed

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GreyFoxx:

looks like a user job with an ffmpeg line and a call to rebuild the seek table might be in order

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iamlindoro:

MythTV: Bringing you fewer container formats in every release :)

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sphery:

that would work

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sphery:

iamlindoro: have you ever tried organizing a closet with both RubberMaid /and/ TupperWare containers? It's 10x the work. Things fit so much nicer if you stick to one type of container. :)

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kormoc:

One is good enough for me!

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** iamlindoro spins a wheel to determine the .22 container **

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iamlindoro:

and the winner is...

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iamlindoro:

.3gp!

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GreyFoxx:

.rle

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iamlindoro:

Oooh, and Video Blasters only

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iamlindoro:

recording using the VFW API

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GreyFoxx:

hrm, the ph can't detect the vido resolution of some of my old transcoded recordings.....

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GreyFoxx:

ffmpeg to the rescue

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sphery:

I vote for .m4p /complete/ with FairPlay

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iamlindoro:

I've actually come to a place where I wouldn't mind the transcoded container being MKV

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sphery:

as long as it's not AVI, I'm happy

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GreyFoxx:

iamlindoro: Me either

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iamlindoro:

It's probably a fairly small change*

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iamlindoro:

*Where the changer is someone who knows what they're doing

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rooaus:

I vote for a container that can hold the program metadata for migrating tv recordings to video as well as position maps. But I guess my vote is informal as I am not a registered developer ;)

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iamlindoro:

We could always go NUTs

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sphery:

MPEG-7!

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iamlindoro:

it's only a one letter change!

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GreyFoxx:

hah a simple ffmpeg copy to rebuild the file and now it plays fine.... it just thinks it's the wrong audio codec

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sphery:

So, if NUV is NuppelVideo, what's NUT?

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GreyFoxx:

this is why I like software players

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I believe it's the ffmpeg dev's "ultimate container"

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Dagmar:

It holds very small things.

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** GreyFoxx rebuilds this avi as an mkv to see how it likes that **

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GreyFoxx:

haahhah so original file is detected as 0x0 video resolution and mpeg1 audio(it's mp3 and plays fine) ... ffmpeg copy to an new avi and video wks fine but audio fails...turn it to a mkv and it plays perfectly

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GreyFoxx:

not one change to the streams, just the containers

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sphery:

We can make it faster, stronger, better than normal! (The Six-Million Dollar Container)

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kormoc:

the sound affects while using it might be a problem

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kormoc:

*effects

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wagnerrp:

na-na-na-na-na-na-na

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GreyFoxx:

heh I should just whip off a script and repackage all the old avi's as mkv :)

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iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx, And while you're at it, a patch to make it the default container for myth ;)

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GreyFoxx:

heh

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kormoc:

MKV is just a sed script away!</sarcasm>

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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GreyFoxx:

well this ph is going to my mother in law who will be feeding off my setup so I need it to be as few "support" calls as possible :)

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GreyFoxx:

and besides. It's not like I'm in love with he avi container :)

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wagnerrp:

i think moving away from nuvs would be a bad idea

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wagnerrp:

can you imagine all the additional support needed as people start using mythtranscode again?

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iamlindoro:

Yes, let's not fix it, as then people would use the programs! ;)

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sphery:

and especially don't even think of releasing a /stable/ version

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iamlindoro:

What was it someone said earlier? Oh yeah, "stalling"

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Dagmar:

It should transcode to Theora by default and say eff anyone who wants differently--they can use Handbrake and plague *those* devs

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wagnerrp:

still in a nuv?

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Dagmar:

Sure!

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Dagmar:

I'm feeling a little misanthropic right now as I've been dealing with effing Sprint for the last few hours.

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wagnerrp:

how long until we can get VDPAU support for theora?

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, it's just a wiki edit away!

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kormoc:

it just won't be /working/ support

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Dagmar:

Just watch CNN and wait until Westinghouse gets the contract for air conditioning hell.

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wagnerrp:

super!

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Dagmar:

It'll happen about three Q's later

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wagnerrp:

hey look! Trogod cleaned up!

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wagnerrp:

well thats the last of the movies (for today) and im down... 165GB

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jblack:

What is a VDPAU anyways, and can doctors cure it?

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wagnerrp:

i think its something you get from the SyFy channel

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jblack:

Your search – VDPAO mythtv – did not match any documents.

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jblack:

Wow. Google says it doesn't exist. Must be nasty.

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jblack:

Oh, I see why. PAU, not PAO

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jblack:

never mind

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wagnerrp:

what was that SNL skit where the insurance company went into your house and clean up all the S&M equipment so your loved ones wouldnt find out after you died?

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phunyguy:

www.clownpenis.fart?

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wagnerrp:

is that even a valid link?

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** kormoc eyes phunyguy... **

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phunyguy:

that was the first google result for "SNL insurance company skit"

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phunyguy:

or the second

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phunyguy:

cant remember'

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phunyguy:

:P

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phunyguy:

third

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kormoc:

it's not a valid url....

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phunyguy:

lol

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kormoc:

sO I fail to see how it was ever a search result...

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phunyguy:

didnt thjink it would be since i doubt fart is registered as a top level or whatever

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kormoc:

so then you lied eh?

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phunyguy:

it was IN a search result. sorry for not being clear enough to doge your smart alecness

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wagnerrp:

what was the search?

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phunyguy:

*sigh*

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wagnerrp:

exactly what you put up there?

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wagnerrp:

im not getting any clownpenis

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phunyguy:

is that the one where they are advertising for an insurance company, but b/c all the domains are taken, they have to use 'www.clownpenis.com' as their corporate website? that skit was hilarious

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phunyguy:

then another person said clwonpenis.fart

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phunyguy:

wait – same guy fixed it

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phunyguy:

http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/archive/t-351483-p-2.html

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phunyguy:

lol those posts are from 2004

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phunyguy:

hawt

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wagnerrp:

that looks like netscape

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nambo:

this pchdtv 5500 tuner is bad

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nambo:

it's not even doing analog

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phunyguy:

hmm

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phunyguy:

looks like responsibility calls

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wagnerrp:

you really dont want to do analog on a 5500

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phunyguy:

I am selling a server and my best frontend

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nambo:

i just did it to test it

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phunyguy:

got braces to pay for

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nambo:

it crashed myth

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nambo:

the tuner is obviously hosed

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nambo:

i even redid the entire mythtv install

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phunyguy:

anyone in the market for a frontend or a rack server?

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kormoc:

you have to set it up as a V4L Frame Grabber, not any other card type

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kormoc:

phunyguy, rack server stats?

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phunyguy:

PowerEdge 1750

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phunyguy:

Xeon 3.06 GHz

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phunyguy:

3GB ram

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phunyguy:

2 36gig SCSI

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nambo:

V4L Frame Grabber?

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phunyguy:

1U

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phunyguy:

loud

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phunyguy:

hot

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phunyguy:

beastly

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nambo:

kormoc: sorry i went off on you earlier, this has been irritating as hell

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wagnerrp:

the 5500 is a digital/framegrabber hybrid

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phunyguy:

dual cpu capable

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kormoc:

nambo, yes, that card is basically two cards in one, a digital receiver and a frame grabber, both are stand-alone

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wagnerrp:

you can use one or the other, but not at the same time

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kormoc:

nambo, no worries

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phunyguy:

i sell it to you for cheap

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wagnerrp:

standalone? its a dual tuner?

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phunyguy:

$300

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nambo:

i've tried the V4L drivers, they don't work

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nambo:

well, they did briefly

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phunyguy:

plus shipping of course

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kormoc:

phunyguy, I'll consider it, but that's not quite what I'm looking for

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nambo:

it sees the signals, pulls the list of unencrypted channels

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phunyguy:

want frontend specs?

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nambo:

i open it, nothing

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nambo:

or i'll get brief pictures, then i change the channel, and it crashes myth

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wagnerrp:

nambo: try the framegrabber with xawtv or tvtime

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wagnerrp:

try the digital tuner with mplayer or vlc

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nambo:

good idea

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nambo:

i'm really starting to think the tuner is messed up

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wagnerrp:

however, if youre going to use analog with mythtv, dont use a framegrabber

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nambo:

when i tested it as analog, it worked, then crashed myth

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phunyguy:

frontend is an Asus M3N78-VM with an athlon X2 5400B, 2 gigs PC2–6400, 80 gig HD, DL DVD Burner, and i am including a DViCO Fusion 5 Gold.

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nambo:

well... i wasn't planning on using it

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nambo:

heh

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phunyguy:

Antec Fusion V2 case

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nambo:

it was just for testing

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phunyguy:

i will be posting on ebay in case anyone is interested

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wagnerrp:

sounds about like mine, except nicer case and extras

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phunyguy:

i really dont want to sell all this crap, but I got $700 left to pay on the old ladies braces, then I can have fun again

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nambo:

company i've been working with just got a new blade center in the other day

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phunyguy:

plus the server was hardly used, and the frontend wasn't used except to watch xvids

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nambo:

brings the total up to 3

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nambo:

still need to get over there to bang around on the cisco... get their other collision domains configed

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phunyguy:

lol

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phunyguy:

so you need to install a switch.

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phunyguy:

:)

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nambo:

but no... here i am, skipping my communications class to get this working

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nambo:

they got the switches, they need routers

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phunyguy:

thats broadcast domains

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phunyguy:

;)

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nambo:

they got 2 Cisco 2620XMs

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phunyguy:

you need to subnet it...

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nambo:

i know, already done that

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nambo:

got it all mapped out in PT

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phunyguy:

a switch breaks up collision domains, and a router breaks up broadcast domains

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nambo:

yeah... but it is a collision domain as well, since they all go to a switch

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nambo:

heh

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phunyguy:

wrong

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phunyguy:

each port on a switch is its own collision domain

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phunyguy:

a hub is one collision domain

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phunyguy:

a switch is multiple.

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phunyguy:

multiple meaning one per switch.

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phunyguy:

rer

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phunyguy:

err

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phunyguy:

switch port

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nambo:

ok, you're right, broadcast domains

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nambo:

they all go to the switches regardless

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phunyguy:

2 failed attempts at CCNA, you would think i learned something

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nambo:

lol

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nambo:

i'm planning on taking the CCNA here soon, just don't have the time atm

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nambo:

trying to finish my degree

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phunyguy:

you got a lot to learn then ;)

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phunyguy:

test kicked my butt

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phunyguy:

twice.

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nambo:

i already have worked with them for years... and taken classes ccna 1–3

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phunyguy:

then i gave up on it

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nambo:

phuny: VLSM?

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phunyguy:

Variable Length Subnet Mask

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nambo:

that's usually what TKOs most ppl going for it

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nambo:

aye

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phunyguy:

well when i took it, they didnt go in depth with it

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phunyguy:

its changed so much

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phunyguy:

this was 4 years ago

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nambo:

it was funny watching half my CCNA3 class drop out when the professor got to that

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phunyguy:

frame relay, ISDN, and STP got me

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phunyguy:

the stuff i blew through because i was getting close to test date

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phunyguy:

lol.

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nambo:

that's not so bad

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phunyguy:

not to mention i was all self taught

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nambo:

if you saw the math i deal with in communications, you'd learn fear

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nambo:

hehe

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phunyguy:

no pro classes

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phunyguy:

just books

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phunyguy:

needed an 849... got an 847.

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phunyguy:

then an 834

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nambo:

can't believe i skipped tonight, i never skip

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phunyguy:

so i chose another field

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wagnerrp:

i imagine ISDN is largely unused now

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phunyguy:

:P

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phunyguy:

not as much as you think wagner

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nambo:

i busted my ass for that class the start of the week, i'll be ok

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phunyguy:

but 4 years ago, it was still at least an option

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phunyguy:

the tests were also INTRO and ICND at the time

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phunyguy:

now they are ICND1 and ICND2

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nambo:

it's very possibly you overstudied

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phunyguy:

yeah

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nambo:

cramming is the worst

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phunyguy:

i flip-flopped a lot of stuff

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phunyguy:

and the router sims were killer

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phunyguy:

they grade hard on those

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nambo:

i crammed for my midterm, professor asks an 8point question "Convert 15dBm into watts" my mind went blank

[01:41:56]

nambo:

heh

[01:42:02]

phunyguy:

lawl.

[01:42:20]

phunyguy:

wouldnt even know where to start on that one

[01:42:30]

phunyguy:

i was an electronics guy in the navy too

[01:42:34]

phunyguy:

Radar tech

[01:42:45]

phunyguy:

but of course it was 40 year old technology

[01:42:54]

phunyguy:

vacuum tubes, etc.

[01:43:16]

nambo:

well, easy formula... 15dBm = (10 log X Watts) / .001

[01:43:24]

Dagmar:

There's a rare possibility that you know one of my coworkers then

[01:43:25]

phunyguy:

magnetrons, klystrons, thyratrons...etc

[01:43:29]

nambo:

about .034W

[01:43:38]

phunyguy:

me dagmar?

[01:43:41]

Dagmar:

Yes.

[01:43:46]

phunyguy:

when was he in?

[01:43:53]

Dagmar:

If there was a lot of weed being smoked on your boat, even more so

[01:43:57]

phunyguy:

nope.

[01:43:58]

phunyguy:

:P

[01:44:10]

phunyguy:

when was he in?

[01:44:14]

Dagmar:

Well, he's pushing 50 now

[01:44:17]

nambo:

phuny: vaccum tubes replaced solid state devices in radio... believe it or not... heh

[01:44:30]

phunyguy:

maybe so

[01:44:35]

Dagmar:

...but you were just describing the same kind of tech they had on his boat. He was a sonar geek

[01:44:37]

nambo:

go to a big FM or cell tower, got big ass glass tubes

[01:44:41]

phunyguy:

ahh

[01:45:11]

phunyguy:

our stuff wasnt that powerful

[01:45:15]

phunyguy:

just 1.3 megawatt

[01:45:18]

phunyguy:

;)

[01:45:26]

nambo:

it was funny, i was driving out of town the other day, with a few buddies, and we just start sizing up all the towers we saw

[01:45:26]

phunyguy:

that'll wake ya up in the morning

[01:45:28]

kormoc:

nambo, wouldn't it actually be 0.0316?

[01:45:31]

nambo:

lots of cell phone towers

[01:45:36]

Dagmar:

So, only the small seagulls would fry in mid-flight then

[01:45:46]

nambo:

kormoc: i can't remember, it's in my notes somewhere

[01:45:47]

phunyguy:

yeah dagmar

[01:45:49]

wagnerrp:

yeah, but that 1.3MW was getting pumped down a couple degree arc

[01:45:52]

phunyguy:

we used to pop popcorn with it

[01:45:54]

nambo:

don't feel like getting out the Ti 89

[01:45:56]

phunyguy:

;)

[01:46:16]

phunyguy:

yeah wagner

[01:46:26]

phunyguy:

good old waveguide and SF6 gas tanks

[01:46:31]

nambo:

although i find it very cool how dB can tell you alot about a signal

[01:46:33]

wagnerrp:

my uncle use to work radar maintenance in the army

[01:46:36]

phunyguy:

SulferHexaflouride

[01:46:47]

Dagmar:

Shucks

[01:46:54]

phunyguy:

heavier than air

[01:46:57]

Dagmar:

Sodium hexaflouride would be more fun

[01:47:01]

phunyguy:

needless to say carrying those tanks sucked.

[01:47:05]

phunyguy:

400lbs each

[01:47:10]

wagnerrp:

he said guys would spend a couple minutes in the equipment room while active, before spending a night out on the town

[01:47:24]

phunyguy:

lol

[01:47:26]

Dagmar:

You can safely inhale sodium hexa

[01:47:28]

phunyguy:

sterilize

[01:47:32]

phunyguy:

yes you can

[01:47:35]

phunyguy:

makes your voice deep

[01:47:37]

phunyguy:

lol

[01:47:37]

Dagmar:

...then you can hit those ultra-deep bass notes

[01:47:42]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

[01:47:49]

phunyguy:

same with SF6

[01:47:57]

Dagmar:

I've used it twice for lo-fi effects purposes

[01:48:00]

phunyguy:

must be the hexa

[01:48:11]

phunyguy:

flouride

[01:48:12]

wagnerrp:

instant barry white

[01:48:14]

nambo:

heh

[01:48:16]

Dagmar:

Oh yes defintitely

[01:48:25]

nambo:

you guys go off on a lot of tangents in here

[01:48:27]

Dagmar:

My voice is already pretty deep.

[01:48:32]

phunyguy:

yes we do

[01:48:45]

phunyguy:

lots of life experience in here i would imagine

[01:48:45]

Dagmar:

I could shame the average movie demon into hiding in a corner with that stuff

[01:48:51]

phunyguy:

usually only the smart ppl stop by

[01:49:15]

Dagmar:

"life experience" == "did a lot of dim things that didn't kill us." ;)

[01:49:16]

nambo:

is knopmyth still active anymore?

[01:49:24]

phunyguy:

dim as in dum

[01:49:29]

phunyguy:

probably not

[01:49:35]

Dagmar:

dim as in dimwitted

[01:49:36]

Dagmar:

;)

[01:49:39]

phunyguy:

ahh

[01:49:43]

nambo:

i seem to remember it not being well supported

[01:49:53]

Dagmar:

Things like how to strip phone cable with your teeth

[01:49:59]

kormoc:

it's as well as it's ever been

[01:49:59]

nambo:

eww

[01:50:00]

Dagmar:

...which works great until someone calls the damn line

[01:50:03]

phunyguy:

then a ring comes in

[01:50:06]

phunyguy:

24v

[01:50:08]

phunyguy:

bzzzt

[01:50:12]

Dagmar:

Yep. :)

[01:50:13]

phunyguy:

WHAAA!!!!!!

[01:50:22]

phunyguy:

i got one for you

[01:50:25]

nambo:

kormoc: so it's supported?

[01:50:26]

Dagmar:

More like "murphle-mumble-mrph"

[01:50:34]

phunyguy:

pulled a fuse cap off some radar gear – usually the fuse comes with it

[01:50:37]

Dagmar:

Made my mouth go numb for a few moments

[01:50:45]

Dagmar:

Oh my

[01:50:45]

phunyguy:

115v/400Hz

[01:50:48]

kormoc:

sure, cesman still develops it

[01:50:50]

phunyguy:

so i grabbed the fuse

[01:50:55]

phunyguy:

bad idea.

[01:51:03]

phunyguy:

60Hz aches

[01:51:07]

phunyguy:

400Hz STINGS

[01:51:14]

nambo:

cool.... i'm wonder if i should try it instead of mythbuntu

[01:51:43]

kormoc:

can't hurt

[01:51:44]

nambo:

it's giving me some issues

[01:52:14]

nambo:

keeps losing the keyboard, crashing the frontend, it's weird

[01:52:55]

nambo:

but then again, if this tuner card is bad, that could be the problem

[01:53:29]

pat_:

is there any ever reason that the process mythbackend would ever start using 100% cpu for extended periods of time?

[01:53:49]

pat_:

I could understand commflag or transcode. but...?

[01:54:06]

wagnerrp:

commflag and transcode run in separate processes

[01:54:10]

pat_:

yeah

[01:54:25]

iamlindoro:

pat_, Preview generation is a backend process, and it can get hung up sometimes at 100%

[01:54:31]

iamlindoro:

ps aux |grep mythback

[01:54:48]

iamlindoro:

if you have instances with the preview generation flag, odds are they're hung up

[01:54:52]

Dagmar:

If it does a massive bit of scanning it's tables to see what's been recorded while it tries to reconcile recording directives with schedules it might stay at 100% for awhile

[01:55:05]

Dagmar:

...but it should clear

[01:55:11]

pat_:

currently it has been chewing 100% for 45 minutes

[01:55:37]

pat_:

mythtv 7451 2.8 2.5 279392 53108 ? Ssl Jun05 44:57 /usr/bin/mythbackend --daemon --logfile /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log --pidfile /var/run/mythtv/mythbackend.pid

[01:56:16]

iamlindoro:

you can tail /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log if that's the only instance running

[01:56:22]

iamlindoro:

may give you some insight

[01:57:39]

pat_:

it seems to keep trying to expire a show every 15 minutes because it has too many episodes of it. but that's it

[01:57:44]

pat_:

(the only odd thing)

[02:05:59]

pat_:

oh well, can't see why. I'll just restart it and see if it happens again

[02:06:18]

pat_:

(I've been running myth for a while and never had that problem before)

[02:08:22]

wagnerrp:

i used to get that happening, 0.19 or 0.20 era

[02:08:40]

wagnerrp:

backend continued on just fine, but something internally was locked

[02:08:49]

wagnerrp:

would just restart it and continue on

[02:08:53]

wagnerrp:

i havent seen it in years

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sphery:

there's some issue that can cause the server to just stop responding to all network requests, but I don't remember any details

[02:16:41]

sphery:

best approach, though, is to just restart it.

[02:16:52]

sphery:

so, just like wagnerrp mentioned

[02:17:19]

wagnerrp:

well my issue, it would function just like a normal backend

[02:17:23]

wagnerrp:

only at 100% cpu usage

[02:17:30]

clever:

wagnerrp: had that countless times

[02:17:34]

clever:

upnp related

[02:17:42]

wagnerrp:

this was before the upnp stuff

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clever:

it was somewhere in the http code

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clever:

basicaly,it cant detect when the tcp socket is closed, so when read() returns 0 bytes read, it thinks the socket is still open and keeps polling it

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sphery:

ah, didn't read enough scrollback

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clever:

and the poll function says its ready to be read, because its closed

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sphery:

so, yeah, haven't seen the 100% CPU backend thing for a long time

[02:18:56]

clever:

yeah, i havent seen it in several months either

[02:19:18]

sphery:

though I hear it happens for people using trunk with the HD-PVR (preview gens killing it) and for some others with H.264 DVB

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clever:

dont have either of those

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leftler:

Greetings and salutaions

[02:34:13]

leftler:

I have a quck question, I am setting up a mythTV setup. I will have a headless primary backend, with a low-ish power front end supplying the TV. What are the advantages/disadvantages of using frontend vs secondary backend w/ front end?

[02:34:35]

kormoc:

extra room for tuner cards?

[02:34:54]

leftler:

ok

[02:35:05]

Dagmar:

Just hit up the wiki for "Executive Overview"

[02:35:13]

Dagmar:

It 'splains what the bits and pieces do

[02:35:34]

leftler:

thanks I was looking for a good explation for secondary backend and was having trouble finding one

[02:35:44]

phunyguy:

yeah – extra tuners, and another CPU for commercial flagging / transcoding

[02:35:48]

phunyguy:

...if you bother to transcode

[02:35:58]

Dagmar:

Disk is so cheap now tho...

[02:36:06]

wagnerrp:

you can run the jobqueue if you want an extra CPU for flagging/transcoding

[02:36:20]

Dagmar:

It's barely worth bothering since you can get 2 terabyte for like $180 now

[02:36:24]

leftler:

I got 1.8 TB accross 5 disks

[02:36:40]

wagnerrp:

small disks

[02:36:41]

leftler:

I am thinking about just dumping the whole array and just buying 2 1 TB

[02:36:56]

Dagmar:

It wouldn't be that bad of an idea

[02:37:07]

wagnerrp:

would be good for reliability

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wagnerrp:

but itll be time for new drives before youre halfway through recouping the cost vs. power consumption

[02:38:22]

wagnerrp:

buy drives for more space, or if you think the current ones are going bad

[02:38:31]

wagnerrp:

but just to replace them is not really needed

[02:38:32]

leftler:

I think one of the 160's are

[02:38:51]

nambo:

newer big drives are faster now too

[02:38:53]

nambo:

you should

[02:38:54]

Dagmar:

Grab the stethescope and run the SMART tests on it

[02:39:00]

nambo:

i got 2 1TB drives in my box

[02:39:10]

wagnerrp:

newer drives are faster

[02:39:18]

cesman:

nambo: actually "KnoppMyth" is no longer being developed

[02:39:20]

leftler:

I have, and Spinright no errors. but 1 out of 10 boots it does not detect the drive as connected

[02:39:21]

nambo:

yep, more cache

[02:39:26]

cesman:

nambo: I've change the name to LinHES

[02:39:32]

wagnerrp:

but youre going to get more throughput from 5 drives totaling 1.8 than you will drives totaling 2.0

[02:39:34]

Dagmar:

Pardon my french, but fuckabunchaspinrite

[02:39:37]

cesman:

nambo: so, KnoppMyth lives on

[02:39:41]

wagnerrp:

(two drives)

[02:39:46]

kormoc:

I need to get rid of drives... 3x1tb, 5x500gb, 3x320gb, 1x200gb....

[02:39:52]

Dagmar:

Steve Gibson drives the short bus to DummyTown

[02:39:52]

nambo:

cesman: been going through hell trying to get HD working on this box, but i suspect the tuner is bad

[02:40:05]

nambo:

will do battle with it again tomorrow, your distro might be tried :P

[02:40:06]

cesman:

nambo: ahhh ok...

[02:40:10]

leftler:

What do you have agenst Steve Gibson?

[02:40:16]

Dagmar:

Other than he's an idiot?

[02:40:28]

wagnerrp:

nambo: grab dvbtools, run scan to make a channels.conf, and use mplayer

[02:40:31]

cesman:

nambo: why are you sticking your tongue out?

[02:40:32]

kormoc:

Gibson research Gibson?

[02:40:35]

wagnerrp:

if mplayer works, its a mythtv program

[02:40:39]

Dagmar:

...that he's gotten the media all worked up about TEH INTERNETS ARE FALLING more than a few times

[02:40:41]

wagnerrp:

if mplayer doesnt work, its a distro problem

[02:41:10]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Yep

[02:41:10]

leftler:

Thats the medias fault not his

[02:41:16]

nambo:

wagner: having some issues with dvbtools

[02:41:16]

leftler:

@kormoc yes

[02:41:17]

kormoc:

then I agree, he's a idiot

[02:41:19]

Dagmar:

No, it's his fault for telling them incredibly wrong stuff

[02:41:40]

Dagmar:

He still claims to have invented syn cookies.

[02:41:43]

nambo:

scan doesn't have the necessary file

[02:41:51]

nambo:

it's all euro stuff

[02:41:57]

Dagmar:

...even though his implementation was fatally flawed and a half a year too late

[02:42:01]

wagnerrp:

well then you screwed up

[02:42:03]

nambo:

i'm done with it today

[02:42:14]

wagnerrp:

last time i used dvbutils, or dvbtools, or whatever it is

[02:42:17]

leftler:

Other than the "windows metafile backdoor" name another media frensy

[02:42:25]

wagnerrp:

it had the necessary ATSC and QAM frequency files

[02:42:28]

Dagmar:

Half the stuff spinrite frets over are things which are utterly inapplicable on modern drives

[02:42:48]

wagnerrp:

should be in the same folder as the dvb frequency files

[02:42:49]

Dagmar:

...and a quarter of the rest (like restoring data *back to the failing drive*) is just entirely wrong-headed.

[02:42:51]

nambo:

wagnerrp: i paste the command from mythtv.org and it claims the file can't be found

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nambo:

oh well... tomorrow i'll do battle with it some more

[02:43:15]

kormoc:

the whole shields up stuff is bullcrap

[02:43:21]

wagnerrp:

its very likely your distro stores the frequency files somewhere other than the place listed on the wiki

[02:43:25]

nambo:

i'm suspecting the tuner is bad

[02:43:34]

Dagmar:

For those of us who work in the IT security industry, Gibson is a *quack*

[02:43:38]

basement-server:

ok just a lil' more help and I think I'll have this all sorted! :)

[02:44:02]

wagnerrp:

basement: a local, eh?

[02:44:06]

basement-server:

I followed all the steps here http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 (given by sphery ) , but still can't do a manual or schedule record..

[02:44:08]

nambo:

i hate dooming a piece of hardware, so i'll do battle with it some more

[02:44:13]

nambo:

before i send it back

[02:44:15]

wagnerrp:

except youre one of those roadrunner types

[02:44:22]

leftler:

Jeze. I would hate to hear what you think of Leo Laport (now that guy is a quack)

[02:44:31]

basement-server:

when i try schedule record, it will say in program guide "Single Recording — Inactive "

[02:44:31]

nambo:

wagner: you in cincy?

[02:44:43]

wagnerrp:

south of the boarder, but yeah

[02:44:46]

nambo:

fuse.net, you are

[02:44:50]

nambo:

i'm in Columbus

[02:44:58]

nambo:

i grew up in cincy

[02:44:59]

sphery:

basement-server: sounds like your recordings schedules are set to inactive

[02:45:05]

Dagmar:

No, Leo is jsut a bit newbish

[02:45:12]

Dagmar:

Him having Gibson on his show just about killed me tho

[02:45:30]

basement-server:

Humm, i will bing it... oh lol.. had to do that.. sorry. .. :P

[02:45:37]

wagnerrp:

nambo: anyway, most package managers have a way of listing out the files that they installed, and where they installed them to

[02:45:43]

kormoc:

huh

[02:45:54]

kormoc:

guys, does http://www.kormoc.com work for you?

[02:45:58]

wagnerrp:

just figure out where it installed those frequency files to, should be somewhere in /usr/share or /usr/local/share

[02:46:09]

Dagmar:

Is it supposed to be filled with goat porn?

[02:46:13]

kormoc:

Nope

[02:46:19]

Dagmar:

Okay then it's probably working.

[02:46:22]

** kormoc blinks **

[02:46:25]

Dagmar:

All I see is some chatter by some bloke named Tob

[02:46:27]

Dagmar:

er Rob

[02:46:29]

kormoc:

my ISP blocks port 80

[02:46:33]

cesman:

kormoc: works here

[02:46:34]

kormoc:

that shouldn't be working...

[02:46:42]

Dagmar:

Not *well* apparently

[02:46:43]

kormoc:

but I'm not gonna complain!

[02:46:47]

wagnerrp:

its telling me im some sort of traveller

[02:46:58]

nambo:

wagnerrp: and do what to them? heh

[02:46:59]

kormoc:

Yeah, welcome to my SEO speal

[02:47:11]

kormoc:

it's actually absurd how much more traffic I got with that copy

[02:47:12]

nambo:

it should still be scanning them and playing them

[02:47:19]

wagnerrp:

nambo: 'scan <filename> > channels.conf

[02:47:30]

nambo:

i get a lot of noise as well

[02:47:39]

nambo:

hmm... good idea

[02:48:25]

nambo:

made a note to try that tomorrow

[02:48:29]

Dagmar:

kormoc: That's because you strangely have a page with very little redundancy, and logicall consistent statements.

[02:48:33]

wagnerrp:

i love it when people call you up and start a conversation

[02:48:35]

Dagmar:

s/ll/lly/;

[02:48:39]

nambo:

i banged my head against this box for 5 hours, i'm done tonight

[02:48:47]

wagnerrp:

without first checking to see that they called the person they wanted to talk to

[02:48:52]

nambo:

wagnerrp: that's called "drunk dialing"

[02:48:54]

nambo:

hehe

[02:48:58]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Oh god I love calls like that

[02:49:01]

wagnerrp:

didnt sound drunk

[02:49:07]

wagnerrp:

but apparently my name is David

[02:49:08]

Dagmar:

A ringing pay phone to me is better than any porno

[02:49:35]

nambo:

i used to call payphones just to mess with people

[02:49:40]

nambo:

damn we got bored in cincinnati

[02:49:45]

wagnerrp:

so whats on kormoc's wishlist...

[02:50:10]

Dagmar:

Something that knows how to spell f-o-l-d-e-r-o-l perhaps. ;)

[02:50:19]

wagnerrp:

serenity... books?

[02:50:35]

kormoc:

wagnerrp, aye, comic books!

[02:50:57]

wagnerrp:

sex and bacon....

[02:51:25]

kormoc:

Amazing book!

[02:51:39]

wagnerrp:

i saw an article the other day, apparently someone in your area is making bacon flavored vodka

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kormoc:

Aye, I'm gonna grab a bottle

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, the really cool bit is the author of Sex and Bacon is gonna come to my next bacon potluck :)

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nambo:

can't hurt to try it

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Dagmar:

You *might* want to clarify what kind of party it is.

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Dagmar:

Then again, you might not.

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kormoc:

I'll let that work it self out...

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: its one of those parties where you throw your strips of bacon into a bowl, and everyone

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wagnerrp:

picks a piece to see who gets who

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Dagmar:

Whoohoo!

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kormoc:

Mmm... Bacon...

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wagnerrp:

Hot Shots! had scenes with sex and bacon

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basement-server:

sphery: forget what I said about Single Recording — Inactive.. (that is only when I hit 'R' while watching TV) ...

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basement-server:

when i try to record schedule, go thru all settings (rule active, ect) and hit save... it is like it does not save..

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basement-server:

permissions problem...?

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sphery:

basement-server: go to Manage Recordings|Upcoming Recordings... is it empty?

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basement-server:

yes

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basement-server:

always..

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sphery:

then it's either the problem I mentioned before (i.e. you re-did it, but did the same thing wrong that you did wrong the first time) or you're hitting the wrong database/backend (which can happen with multiple hosts)

[03:13:39]

sphery:

or your backend user doesn't have permissions to the capture cards

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basement-server:

only one PC.. frontend and backend same.. (for now :) )

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sphery:

or your database is corrupt (needs an optimize_mythdb.pl run)

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basement-server:

I will give that a try I guess... I did the schdule direct thing and that was no problem... I deleted everything in capture and source ect and re-did.. just as web page said

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basement-server:

I can watch Live TV.. and it auto records that

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sphery:

that sounds a /lot/ like the input connections problem

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sphery:

is it analog or digital channels?

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basement-server:

analog

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basement-server:

I'm actually guessing that.. :(

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sphery:

and you didn't do a channel scan, right?

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basement-server:

no, not at all

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basement-server:

It's just the straight "free" cable

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sphery:

with a PVR-x50 or V4L capture card, it's analog

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basement-server:

analog

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basement-server:

v4l

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basement-server:

and i followed instructions... did not scan even one time

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sphery:

and you have exactly one video source?

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kormoc:

did you get the schedules direct free account yet?

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basement-server:

one

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basement-server:

I did

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basement-server:

looks cool :)

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kormoc:

and that's working and attached to the card?

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basement-server:

yup, i can see channels and info

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sphery:

and you definitely did a Delete all capture cards and Delete all video sources (and did /not/ do the "on this host" versions of them)

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basement-server:

humm.. i may have done your (....) part...

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basement-server:

i deleted everything

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basement-server:

then deleted host, then deleted everything

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basement-server:

then i created in order that they come up in menu

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basement-server:

but yes, i am sure that I deleted all caputer, all video sources, and then started over

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sphery:

can you pastebin the results of: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT sourceid, name, xmltvgrabber, freqtable FROM videosource; SELECT * FROM capturecard; SELECT * from cardinput;"

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basement-server:

will do!

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sphery:

(don't do a SELECT * FROM videosource as it would have your schedules direct password--do it the way I showed using copy/paste)

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Pio:

it looks like nuvexport determines a video's height/width/fps and audio rate/channels by actually examining the recording files themselves.. anyone know if theres an alternate way to get that information?

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sphery:

Pio: all those attributes (except, maybe, audio rate) can change on a per-frame basis

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sphery:

audio rate might be able to change, also, but I don't know for sure

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Pio:

is that a feature of nuv? never heard of a video codec which was capable of changing height/width/fps mid-stream

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sphery:

MPEG does it

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Pio:

or container format..

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Pio:

weird

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sphery:

it's very common in Europe, at least

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sphery:

even if you're in the US, the audio channels you probably see when it goes from show (with 5.1-ch AC-3) to commercials (with 2-channel AC-3)

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basement-server:

sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1449385

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Pio:

well i know that *myth* only stores one height/width/fps and audio rate/channels per recording

[03:26:05]

Pio:

i was just hoping to get that information without forcing the user to have filesystem access to the files, like nuvexport does..

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Pio:

i guess i could stream the recording from the backend

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sphery:

basement-server: how about: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT chanid, channum, freqid, sourceid, xmltvid, name, visible FROM channel;"

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sphery:

Pio: in trunk we're storing most or all of that info in the DB, but it's not there for 0.21-fixes

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Pio:

doh

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basement-server:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1449389

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sphery:

basement-server: that looks good...

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sphery:

I don't think you need to do anything with the Delete all, again

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sphery:

how about: mythbackend --printsched > mythbackend_schedule

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sphery:

pastebin the contents of mythbackend_schedule

[03:33:01]

sphery:

oh, and run mythbackend --printsched while the backend is running normally

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basement-server:

sphery: http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1449392

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basement-server:

i am slow.. lol

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sphery:

OK, and: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT recordid, type, chanid, starttime, startdate, endtime, enddate, title, subtitle, profile, recpriority, maxepisodes, seriesid, programid, findid, inactive, parentid, storagegroup FROM record; SELECT * FROM storagegroup;"

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basement-server:

http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1449394

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sphery:

what time zone are you in?

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basement-server:

New York

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basement-server:

-5 GMT i believe

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sphery:

looks like everything is in the past

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sphery:

try going to Manage Recordings|Schedule Recordings|Program Guide

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basement-server:

so i had it working at first.. then lost it some how lol

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basement-server:

that was back when i had no sound

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sphery:

Then select soemthing like Late Night With Jimmy Fallon (i.e. that starts in the future)

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basement-server:

ok

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sphery:

then while "Do not record this program" is highlighted, hit left once to get "Record at any time on any channel"

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sphery:

Then scroll to "[Save these settings]"

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sphery:

select it

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sphery:

then you should see a little icon on the show and it should change color (mine is an A icon for "Always record" and it's green)

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sphery:

I'm guessing you're getting different results

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basement-server:

see... it is right here that looks to be the problem... cause I hit enter to select.. either your record always, or when I try record only once, and i make sure rule is active, and i save... it does not seem to do anything

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sphery:

and you're sure you're hitting save and not cancel?

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basement-server:

so right here seems my connection problem? or maybe my "LiveTV" directory has wrong permissions

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basement-server:

I'm sure ;)

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sphery:

on at least one of the themes, it can be /very/ difficult to tell which one is selected

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sphery:

you said that LiveTV works, right?

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basement-server:

Yes

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sphery:

if not, then the /LiveTV directory could be the problem

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sphery:

if LiveTV works, then the directory is not the problem since LiveTV and recordings are set to use the same directory

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basement-server:

and if I hit "r" while watching liveTV, it will say "Scheduled Recording... Inactive" when I look at it in the guide

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sphery:

anyway, everything looks like it should be working

[03:53:09]

sphery:

at this point, I'd almost recommend just rebooting everything and seeing if it's still messed up

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sphery:

it looks good to me

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basement-server:

but it will record the livetv i am watching... cause i can goto manage recordings and see all these channels

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basement-server:

lol.. i will threaten my machine w/ reformatting it... seems to fix most my problems so far lol

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basement-server:

I'm really thinking it has something to do with the user/permissions.. but I don't know enough about that stuff .. I have d/led a full mythbuntu install disk

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Dagmar:

Oh you just don't understand how hard it works for you

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Dagmar:

You should offer to bring it things...

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basement-server:

lol.. i threaten it

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Dagmar:

...like a nice tall glass of chilled saltwater.

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basement-server:

I will install windows on you!!!

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basement-server:

;)

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basement-server:

well... i will try a reboot first.. if not luck... to the gpart it goes

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basement-server:

cause I know how to setup db, card drivers, sound options, all that now :) thanks alot guys

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wagnerrp:

basement-server: my cousins computer is currently sitting in my office

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wagnerrp:

after one of his friends told him 'windows sucks, you should install leenix'

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basement-server:

lol

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Dagmar:

Broke it good did he?

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wagnerrp:

now there is neither leenix nor windows on there

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basement-server:

no no... you really have to understand the bridge

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wagnerrp:

my uncle failed to install windows subsequently

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Dagmar:

Just pop an Ubuntu CD in and tape the door shut

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wagnerrp:

i dont know if he actually trid

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basement-server:

there is so much for me to learn

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basement-server:

and yo uhave to be willing.. but you can usually find help :)

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wagnerrp:

i asked him if he wanted me to set up a dual boot, he said no

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basement-server:

if you try hard enough

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that last time i did some complicated thing

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wagnerrp:

set up user accounts for each of his kids

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wagnerrp:

along with some script that ran on login and automounted their respective desktops and documents off their main computer

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wagnerrp:

going to be hard to reproduce that from my home

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leftler:

Ok, I am back with another noob question. What is the best filesystem to format my drives in for data storage? Currently my best two options from what I have researched is JFS or XFS

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wagnerrp:

damn, that is a newbie question.... everyone knows you should be using UDF

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basement-server:

going to try this out... hopefully i won't see you later :P

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wagnerrp:

there is no clear winner between JFS/XFS, its really up to personal preference

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sphery:

wagnerrp: of course--otherwise, they wouldn't have called it the "Universal" disk format

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wagnerrp:

the general consensus is just to avoid ext3 with large files

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leftler:

What are some of the benifits of choseing one or the other

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leftler:

Yea, i relised that I formated all 3 storage disks ext3 then poped open a installation guide PFD and the fist thing i see is dont use ext3

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** sphery loves his ext3 **

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sphery:

(not that I'm recommending it for you--just like it for me)

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leftler:

*PDF

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leftler:

What is the diffrence between JFS and XFS and UDF (unless that one was a joke responce, I am fairly new to the underworking side of linux)

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wagnerrp:

JFS is IBM, XFS is SGI

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wagnerrp:

JFS is a bit faster on deletion, a bit lower CPU usage

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wagnerrp:

XFS gives you some nice file allocation and anti-fragmentation tools

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Pontiac:

... leenix...

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Pontiac:

*shakes his head*

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leftler:

Yes I know its a kernal not a OS

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leftler:

but I don't care

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wagnerrp:

XFS does have some issues that it holds things in memory for a while before writing to disk

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wagnerrp:

but thats irrelevent because if your computer crashes while recording something, youre going to delete the whole recording anyway

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leftler:

I will go with jfs being that this is a slightly older PC

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wagnerrp:

were talking about an extra percent or so under full disk load

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leftler:

ah

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wagnerrp:

not something to even concern yourself over

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leftler2:

bah! I hate network cables with bad clipys

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Pontiac:

Better than wireless.

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leftler2:

if it dident get through, Thanks for the help.

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wagnerrp:

clip and recrimp

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leftler2:

I will eventually, I just need to get angry enough with the tools nearby

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wagnerrp:

i wonder if i should just toss a 20GB ubuntu partition on there

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wagnerrp:

ubuntu should be happy with that much space right?

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Pontiac:

It'll do with 10 gig, so long you're not saving anything to the partition.

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Pio:

http://mirrormere.longstair.com/screen/?imgserv=d0 >:)

[06:00:11]

Pontiac:

.. aqua teen?

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Pontiac:

The whole two-pass thing.. pfft... Ruined due to you're even RECORDING aqua teen. :P

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Pio:

i figured out a way to get the video/audio params i was looking for earlier without touching the physical recording files

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Pio:

mythtranscode --verbose libav spits them out

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Pio:

im just scraping em out of that

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Pio:

hopefully the format doesnt/hasnt change(d)

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** Pontiac ... almost woulda kicked his MythTV box in its digital nuts if the chan guide didn't show up. **

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Pontiac:

Lost yet ANOTHER days worth of recording due to external software goofing with settings.

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Pontiac:

:%s/MythTV/HTPC/g

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Pontiac:

Wasn't myth that caused the problem. Was an external app that interfaces with myth that changed the settings without my granting permission.

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Pontiac:

Either way, off to bed I go.

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troldrik:

Halp.

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troldrik:

I'm trying to get hdmi audio to work (gigabyte e7aum-ds2h), either flash won't work, or myth won't work (no audio)

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troldrik:

Pulseaudio is not installed, I used this http://cbaoth.dk/~cbaoth/asoundrc.flashfail .asoundrc first, myth played fine, but flash was soundless.

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troldrik:

googled and found guy with flash audio issues on hdmi, used the .asoundrc suggested to him and flash works now... except myth doesn't now... myth is set to ALSA:default output.

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troldrik:

http://cbaoth.dk/~cbaoth/asoundrc.mythfail new .asoundrc

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troldrik:

MP3s playback with either config

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troldrik:

Ubuntu janundiced 9.04 fwiw

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pat___:

what's the easy wasy to make a new master backend, and change the current master to a slave (keeping it's hostname)?

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pssrax:

hiu

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pssrax:

efsa

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laga:

yes

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laga:

bai

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jjlee:

has anybody had any success with a pci-e TV card (analog)?

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mediaBox:

hey. Using ubuntu 9.04, how do I keep the screen from blanking? If I run xset -dpms, its fine for a few hours, then it reverts to dpms back on...

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mediaBox:

i need to PERMANENTLY disable dpms

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yianni:

hi, has the s2api patch (5882) been commited to trunk yet? I don't dare update my mythtv in fear I won't be able to use my STB0899 card.

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laga:

why don't you go and look at the ticket?

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iamlindoro:

Because if he asks here, he can hopefully force someone to do it for him, *duh*

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iamlindoro:

;)

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yianni:

It says "started enhancement". in http://dolot.kipdola.com/index.php?title=Install_MythTV it says that the s2api patch has been commited, though.

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yianni:

I did, look at the ticket. The different source I mentioned is confusing me. You don't have to be so harsh, do you?

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iamlindoro:

Whatever that URL is, it's not MythTV documentation. IT is wrong.

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laga:

i was not being harsh. i was being direct.

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yianni:

Thank you, that was what I was looking for. Do you know if and when it will be commited? In the #5882 ticket, janne said that he would commit s2api support in the next days, but that happened 4 months ago!!

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yianni:

Due to all the changes in the trunk, s2api patch doesn't compile any more beyond 20427. I was hoping to get some more information here. Googling "s2api mythtv" doesn't provide any new links.

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wagnerrp:

is it the anniversary of tetris or something?

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kormoc:

it is

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iamlindoro:

I don't know whether to be flattered or worried that someone has written a myth howto that applies a bunch of my trac patches

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kormoc:

both!

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iamlindoro:

I think that's about right

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iamlindoro:

I don't like that it just wgets the patches and ignores the numerous warnings in the ticket that testing it changes the DB schema

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iamlindoro:

But that's not my problem, oh well

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wagnerrp:

any idea why i might be getting surging playback on HDDVDs?

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wagnerrp:

same behavior on two different machines (one about 3x as fast as the other) on both ffmpeg and vdpau playback

[19:08:09]

wagnerrp:

its almost as if its a network problem

[19:08:18]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, surging in what way?

[19:08:36]

wagnerrp:

plays slow, plays fast, plays slow, plays fast

[19:08:40]

iamlindoro:

I personally see pretty smooth playback here

[19:08:45]

wagnerrp:

oscillates maybe once a second

[19:08:46]

iamlindoro:

hmm... haven't seen that one, TBH

[19:08:53]

iamlindoro:

anything in the logs with -v playback?

[19:09:04]

iamlindoro:

or do you have use video as timebase on?

[19:09:51]

wagnerrp:

is on... should be off?

[19:09:57]

iamlindoro:

yes

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wagnerrp:

i need to figure out why my laptop wont connect wirelessly

[19:10:50]

wagnerrp:

so i can actually watch this thing as its running

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sphery:

wagnerrp: if you point to the graphic on Google's page, it explains why it's different

[19:28:49]

sphery:

So, is sourceforge.net down for anyone else, or are they just blocking me?

[19:34:13]

RDV_Linux:

It is also down for me

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jams:

blank page

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sphery:

Yeah, I'm getting a "connection was reset"

[19:35:17]

sphery:

thanks for checking, though--wondered if it was local, semi-local, or sourceforge itself

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larzen:

Folks.... does mythtv work on 64-bit systems?

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sphery:

yep

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sphery:

works great on them

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larzen:

ah, what about the pvr500 ?

[19:36:46]

larzen:

i know.. not a myth problem.. but still thats the card that needs to work =) happuauge pvr500 is what I run.

[19:36:53]

sphery:

TTBOMK, ivtv drivers work fine on 64-bit

[19:37:14]

sphery:

though I haven't used ivtv in a long time (and back then was using 32-bit)

[19:37:33]

larzen:

whats the common card of choice these days?

[19:37:51]

larzen:

i bought my pvr500 3 yrs ago... and it still runs in my mythbox on 32-bit gentoo system

[19:38:05]

larzen:

but now I am rebuilding on a new box..and I am wondering i I should even consider running it still

[19:39:07]

Collin:

hey guys

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sphery:

For analog, the PVR-150/500 are the card of choice. For digital, there's not a lot of difference (so generally, it's a matter of price/preference)

[19:40:19]

Collin:

can anyone help me with a couple of questions about getting a remote working?

[19:40:35]

sphery:

larzen: I'm guessing you should just stick with the PVR-500 if you're happy with analog. Though there are others--like the HVR-1600 (which is basically a PVR-150 and a digital capture card sharing a tuner)--if you're not doing digital, it's not worth switching.

[19:40:49]

sphery:

Collin: depends on the questions :)

[19:41:14]

Collin:

Well I have lirc running and I can do a irw and I get responses

[19:41:38]

Collin:

I put lircd.conf and lircrc in the ~/.mythtv/

[19:41:58]

Collin:

anything else I should do because it's not working

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sphery:

lircd.conf only needs to be in /etc/ , but lircrc in ~/.mythtv (or ~/.lircrc works)

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Collin:

its in /etc/ as well

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sphery:

make sure a) your mythfrontend log file says something about lirc or a socket or something (don't have my frontend running and don't feel like checking the source for the message) and b) that you have the proper information in the lircrc stanzas--i.e. prog = mythtv; button = <name used in your /etc/lircd.conf>; config = <key name, like M>; and--if you specify it--remote = <remote name from /etc/lircd.conf>

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sphery:

for a) if you get something about unable to connect to socket, that means that lircd isn't running or your lircd socket has the wrong permissions/mythfrontend user can't access the socket

[19:45:49]

sphery:

sorry about the guesses for wording, but it's a start

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Collin:

ok I will check that out real fast

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bsl:

After I configure my backend, will I hit any problems running the computer without a display adapter?

[19:48:40]

Collin:

Ok I dont know how this worked

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bsl:

the BIOS won't freak out or anything will it?

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Collin:

but it works now that I turned logging on

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Collin:

Thanks lol

[19:49:35]

sphery:

Collin: that's pretty much how lirc goes--it's not working, then it just starts working

[19:50:15]

Collin:

I don't get why specifying a logfile would make it work but I guess I can't complain now that it works

[19:51:01]

Collin:

bsl: it shouldn't have any problems

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sphery:

bsl: some BIOS's have a setting "Halt on" that's usually set to "All errors", but you can often change it to "Keyboard/Mouse", "Display", ... Just make sure yours doesn't halt on Display errors and you should be good.

[19:51:21]

sphery:

Collin: it was likely just restarting the frontend that fixed it

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bsl:

sphery: cool, thanks

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Collin:

I had restarted the front end 100x before I came here. I don't see how that could have been it

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nambo:

so i got my channels.conf file made, and i go into myth to scan it, and it just hangs

[19:58:55]

nambo:

saying "Scanning" and sits at 0%

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nambo:

is this normal?

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nambo:

anyone alive?

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sphery:

all I know is that the MythTV channel scanner works much better than importing from channels.conf

[20:03:08]

nambo:

sphery: dbtutils found a bunch more channels than mythtv did

[20:03:35]

nambo:

i'm not getting anything the the default channel scan, keeps crashing the frontend

[20:08:22]

iamlindoro:

Heh, history channel HD has a 2 minute listing tonight

[20:08:30]

iamlindoro:

8:58–9:00

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bsl:

iamlindoro: yeah it does that

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bsl:

iamlindoro: it's a recap of a show

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iamlindoro:

yep

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bsl:

iamlindoro: pisses me off when my dvr records it

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iamlindoro:

*shrug* Doesn't do any harm to me, lots of free tuners

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bsl:

I just don't like taking the time to delete it

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sphery:

nambo: if by "crashing the frontend" you mean that mythtv-setup is crashing when you try to scan for channels, you need to do: taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup

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nambo:

naw

[20:15:35]

nambo:

after i scan

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nambo:

when i load the frontend, and try to load the tuner

[20:16:29]

nambo:

mplayer is saying it can't determine the type of card it is, i'm starting to really think (more than just suspect) that the card is bad

[20:16:55]

nambo:

i even tried LinHES as well... same stuff

[20:17:12]

nambo:

can see the frequencies, can lock onto them, but won't play them

[20:18:05]

nambo:

even tried making mpgs through the command line, keeps saying it can't communicate with the card

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** cesman wonders if nambo has a multi-processor system... **

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cesman:

that would explain the crash

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nambo:

cesman: but it's weird, myth sees the card, i even made a channels.conf file

[20:26:47]

nambo:

i can lock on the frequencies

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nambo:

it works, but it doesn't work

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Dibblah:

Do you have a CAM?

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cesman:

still using mythbuntu I take it...

[20:27:37]

abqjp:

sphery, there have been a couple of times that it would have been nice to have "multirec" for the HD-PVR. Only a couple of times, though, so I have not been motivated to do the work.

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cesman:

there is a bug...

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cesman:

just a sec

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Dibblah:

... Some CAMs are troublesome.

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nambo:

yeah... i tried your distro and it was the same song and dance

[20:28:14]

Dibblah:

And don't interact too well with anything but an STB.

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cesman:

taskset -c 0 /usr/bin/mythtv-setup

[20:28:39]

cesman:

we take account for that bug w/ LinHES

[20:28:51]

** cesman thought nambo would report the issues to him... **

[20:28:55]

cesman:

:(

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iamlindoro:

cesman, See above, he says it's not mythtv-setup crashing (sphery gave him same info)

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nambo:

yeah, it's not the setup

[20:29:47]

nambo:

setup is working great, it's actually the front end crashing, when i try to load the card

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sphery:

that sounds like a problem with your video drivers

[20:30:11]

nambo:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Adding_QAM_Channel . . . _Tuner_Cards

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sphery:

as the frontend /never/ touches the card

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sphery:

i.e. backends have capture cards, frontends don't

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Dibblah:

Oh, wait.

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Dibblah:

nambo. Is this US?

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nambo:

i've been using this page to guide me, and mplayer is reporting it can't connect to the card

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nambo:

dibblah: yes

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Dibblah:

And what's your source?

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Dibblah:

ATSC, QAM, ...

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nambo:

yeah

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nambo:

ATSC QAM256

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Dibblah:

That's a question.

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Dibblah:

So OTA?

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nambo:

naw... cable

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Dibblah:

And your card is...?

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nambo:

pcHD5500

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Dibblah:

QAM is a cable modulation.

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Dibblah:

ATSC is over the air, isn't it?

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Dibblah:

Isn't the HD5500 OTA only?

[20:33:52]

Dibblah:

Also, many providers encrypt the streams.

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Dibblah:

So you won't get anything from cable.

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tgm4883:

Dibblah, HD5500 worked fine with comcast when I had it

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nambo:

well... it's technically NTSC, but the card support ATSC

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Dibblah:

tgm4883: Depends on the region.

[20:34:37]

Dibblah:

ATSC != QAM.

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tgm4883:

wouldn't it just depend on if it's encrypted or not?

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Dibblah:

http://www.pchdtv.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6 . . . e3220045bfd1

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nambo:

granted, but i'm getting NOTHING

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tgm4883:

Supports unencrypted QAM 64 and QAM 256 Cable signals

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Dibblah:

Yes, you could well get nothing if the streams are encrypted.

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sphery:

Dibblah: I think it was the HD-2000 that was OTA only, HD-3000 started that way, then got QAM support

[20:35:42]

Dibblah:

All depends on your regional provider.

[20:36:03]

Dibblah:

Can even vary down to headend if all streams are encrypted or not, from what I understand.

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nambo:

i should be getting something

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Dibblah:

Not necessarily.

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jpabq:

sphery: you are correct.

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nambo:

even when used as an analog tuner, i get nothing but noise

[20:36:21]

nambo:

well

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nambo:

i get pictures, but lots of noise

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Dibblah:

You're using a splitter?

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Dibblah:

Otherwise, you're just seeing pickup of the OTA channels.

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nambo:

yeah, but even without the splitter, i'm still getting nothing

[20:37:40]

nambo:

the signals i'm pulling are around 80%

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nambo:

3.8 dB, plenty high enough

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nambo:

just don't get any picture

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nambo:

just a black screen, and then it crashes the front end

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nambo:

like i said, i think the tuner is bad, i'm going to send it back tomorrow

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nambo:

well, monday

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Collin:

hey hey

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FR^2:

ho ho

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pizzledizzle:

is it possible to record a show without scheduling it first? like im watching a show and i have to leave so want to record the rest of it

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iamlindoro:

pizzledizzle: Press the key you have assigned to record while watching it to record it. This will save the entire program thus far, and record through the end

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iamlindoro:

by default this is the "R" key

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pizzledizzle:

im not using a blaster to change channels

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** kormoc blinks **

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pizzledizzle:

basically there's only 1 channel i record everything off

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kormoc:

where in iamlindoro's entire message does he say blaster?

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wagnerrp:

what does a blaster have anything to do with

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