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Friday, June 5th, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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achew22:

What table in the DB holds the recorded programs list?

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Pontiac:

recorded

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achew22:

thank you

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achew22:

if I truncate that will all my old recordings go away (as far as myth is concerned)

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Pontiac:

Yep

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achew22:

thank you

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sphery:

though it will leave orphaned data

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sphery:

you should /really/ use the UI to delete your recordings

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sphery:

best way is to go to mythfrontend, Watch Recordings, left column "All Programs", MENU (M), Add this group to Playlist, MENU, Playlist Options, Delete (or Delete and allow re-record)

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sphery:

achew22: ^^^

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achew22:

sphery: I reformated the disk that had the files

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achew22:

I'm not really interested in having recording listings for nonexistant recordings and sitting there and doing that through the UI for 300+ recordings seems tedious

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iamlindoro:

You didn't read what he wrote

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iamlindoro:

you don't have to do it for 300 items

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iamlindoro:

it's a four second operation

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** iamlindoro sighs **

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sphery:

achew22: mysql -umythtv -p mythconverg -e "SELECT CONCAT('touch ', basename) FROM recorded;" > touch_files

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Dagmar:

If he read he wouldn't be doing it this way to begin with

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sphery:

achew22: then go to one of the dirs in your default storage group, then bash touch_files, then do the above

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sphery:

any other approach and there will be side effects

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achew22:

okay — I may not read but I have incremental backups of literally everything (and an old image of that disk if I want it again) I'll just reinsert the table

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achew22:

I play with DB's during the day for work, in my mind the easiest way to kill data is to truncate a table

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sphery:

achew22: then you should realize that tables don't often stand on their own

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sphery:

i.e. there are relationships in, er, relational databases

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achew22:

which is why I asked "if I truncate that will all my old recordings go away (as far as myth is concerned)"

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achew22:

no biggie I don't want to flame anyone

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sphery:

but hey, it's your data, so feel free to corrupt it if you refuse to do the 10-second process that will fix it properly

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sphery:

and with the approach I laid out, you can actually decide if you want to allow yourself to re-record the shows

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sphery:

with your approach, Myth will never re-record them for you

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mzb:

there are also scripts in contrib(?) which can help, but delete playlist method is so clean

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sphery:

don't mention those scripts... I've already done my run for today, and I don't want to have to do another to work out my frustration with those scripts. :)

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achew22:

Thanks guys/gals

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iamlindoro:

Hey, what about myth.find_orphans.pl?? ;)

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iamlindoro:

enjoy your run!

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iamlindoro:

My run + bike total for the week is at 120 miles, you'll get no sympathy from me :)

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sphery:

you're way ahead of me

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sphery:

I got 5 in today--up from 3 the last few because my cold was killing me

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sphery:

hoping that means I'm getting past the cold

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, still need to take care of yourself, no sense making sure you can't work out next week

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mzb:

sphery: mention of scripts withdrawn ;)

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sphery:

thx :)

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** mzb tosses the scripts onto the bonfire **

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** mzb thinks about running 5 metres to the kitchen to get a another coffee ... but decides walking will achieve the same result without injury **

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sphery:

on the bright side, you burn almost the same number of calories whether walking or running some given distance :)

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iamlindoro:

horse pucky

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iamlindoro:

higher heartrate is by definition a greater expenditure of calories

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sphery:

for a shorter time

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iamlindoro:

some given distance implies you are comparing like distances

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iamlindoro:

20 miles of run is a greater calorie burn than 20 miles of walk

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sphery:

right, walking a mile takes much longer than running a mile

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iamlindoro:

time isn't a factor in the equation!

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Pontiac:

Gotta take in wind resistance and such.

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kormoc:

heart beats per foot?

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Pontiac:

Number of times you turn around looking at great look'n women....

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iamlindoro:

Calroies burned per mile at 2.0 mph – 91. Calories burned per mile at 10.0 mph – 131

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iamlindoro:

so by the time the two atheletes have completed the same distance, one has burned 40 more calories

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kormoc:

but it trends back up around 0.005 MPH and slower!

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iamlindoro:

(assuming identical weights of 160 pounds)

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sphery:

but the same 160-lb person walking 5.0mpg burns 116

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sphery:

mph

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iamlindoro:

116 *per mile*

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sphery:

and to me, all those numbers fit in the "almost the same" category

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iamlindoro:

just puts another data point on the plot, doesn't disprove my point

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iamlindoro:

it may not be linear, but it's not flat either :)

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iamlindoro:

the difference between 2 and 10 is 50%!

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sphery:

yeah, basically, it's high for slow walking (around 2mph) because of lack of momentum, goes down at about 2.5–3mph, then back up at about 4.5mph (13-min mile)

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sphery:

but it's all relatively close to the same

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kormoc:

if standing still burns 100 calories per hour, if it takes you two hours to walk a mile, it's at least 200 calories per mile, if it takes you 4 hours, it's 400 calories per mile...

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Pontiac:

... standing still takes 100 calories per hour?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Heh, that's stretching the definition of "the same" *awful* thin

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Pontiac:

Shweet.

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iamlindoro:

Pontiac, your body is still metabolizing and running itself

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kormoc:

according to random internet searching

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sphery:

then again, it seems my calorie resolution is much lower than yours :)

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Pontiac:

Well, yeah, I realize that. I just didn't think of that.

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kormoc:

2,400 calories burned a day standing eh?

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** kormoc needs to stand up more **

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Heh, I burned more biking today than the average person eats per day :)

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Pontiac:

I'm 150lbs, 5'7. All belly, unfortunately.

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Pontiac:

I dunno about that iamlindoro.... I can eat a medium Canadian (Ham, mushroom, bacon) pizza to myself.

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Pontiac:

Then again, I ain't exactly average, so I'm told. heh

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iamlindoro:

Oh I can eat a pizza, I looove my food... I just make sure to make it so I don't feel bad about it :)

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Pontiac:

I NEVER feel bad when I feed myself till I hurt.

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Pontiac:

Feeling bad, and feeling pain are two different things in my book. heh

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iamlindoro:

nothing wrong with pain, so long as it's borne out of accomplishment

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kormoc:

what bout 4 lbs of bacon? 9833 calories...

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iamlindoro:

It *hurts* to run/bike/swim as much as I do

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iamlindoro:

but it makes me feel pretty good too

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kormoc:

Mmm... Bacon...

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Pontiac:

4lbs? Sounds like a wonderful, oh so wonderful dream.

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kormoc:

no dream, http://www.sexandbacon.com/excerptbook.html

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iamlindoro:

I love bacon too, but four pounds might stretch anyone's ability :)

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kormoc:

there's actually reasoning behind it! ;)

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Pontiac:

No, I mean actually being allowed to eat it all at once. heh

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kormoc:

meh, just cook it up and eat it!

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kormoc:

and btw, that book is awesome :)

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Pontiac:

Wife issues. ;)

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kormoc:

have her figure out her own BQ!

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iamlindoro:

Someone needs to watch Alton Brown, we *bake* our bacon in this house, mister!

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iamlindoro:

try it sometime, it tastes the best :)

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kormoc:

I do it all, bake, fry, broil, deep fry, roast, etc

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iamlindoro:

Oven at 375, lay a wire rack in a cookie sheet, lay the bacon on that, wait for it to cook

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iamlindoro:

soooo good, perfectly shaped, and the nice, light crunchy texture of not soaking up the lost fat

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kormoc:

Fat is your friend! It's so tasty and all it wants to do is be a part of your life!

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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** Pontiac ponders raiding the freezer. **

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kormoc:

Pontiac, It's for science after all!

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iamlindoro:

I actually just bought some applewood smoked bacon at the butcher

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iamlindoro:

today, even!

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kormoc:

To be fair, I might have a ever so slight crush on the author...

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Heh, is she the chick on the cover? I like that indie-chick vibe

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kormoc:

Aye, she is

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iamlindoro:

niec

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iamlindoro:

er nice

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kormoc:

And she's a Seattle native, and she's coming to my next bacon potluck :)

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iamlindoro:

hehe

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iamlindoro:

Triathlon chick are also nice ;)

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iamlindoro:

chicks

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iamlindoro:

if a little intense sometimes

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iamlindoro:

'cause sometimes even I just want to stay in bed

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kormoc:

heh

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iamlindoro:

What's up with Conan only being on three days of his first week?

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kormoc:

http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/05/23/heres-the-g . . . -first-week/

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kormoc:

seems like he's on all week

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iamlindoro:

--refresh-today it is

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, http://kotaku.com/5279414/taste-hot-monkey-ve . . . utoplay=true seen?

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kormoc:

not yet

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** kormoc peers **

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iamlindoro:

I do so love that theme song

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** kormoc wants now **

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kormoc:

looks like perhaps a few new puzzles throw in, whee

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iamlindoro:

that's the new, not the remake

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kormoc:

ahh!

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kormoc:

if they remade all three of the monkey island ones, I'd buy them all

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iamlindoro:

"11:30 PM – 12:00 AM Sex and the City"

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iamlindoro:

what the?

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iamlindoro:

There, that's fixed it

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, Especially given there were four of them :)

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iamlindoro:

try as I might to forget the last

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kormoc:

there was?

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iamlindoro:

SOMI, MI2:LR, COMI, EMI

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iamlindoro:

Secret of, Lechuck's Revenge, Curse of, Escape From

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kormoc:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

EMI suuuuuuucks though

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iamlindoro:

totally different folks, more like recent lucasarts than classic lucasarts

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kormoc:

huh

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sandeen:

janneg, fallocate would be pretty cool, you don't know for sure how big the file will be but you could get pretty close

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sandeen:

janneg, last time I suggested this years ago I was told to "go polish my button collection" or something along those lines

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sandeen:

janneg, or, allocate a gig at a time and truncate to size when done would be fine too

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kormoc:

a gig at a time seems... excessive to me, but my recordings are typically under a gig per hour, and most of them are 30 minute shows

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** kormoc shrugs **

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sandeen:

kormoc, well, I guess I was thinking for HD

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sandeen:

clearly could be less for std def or whatnot

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sphery:

should base it on bitrate and program runtime

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sphery:

(or, if we need to know before starting the recording, previous average bitrate for channel)

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sandeen:

sounds good to me :)

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sandeen:

does anything keep track of that ?

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sphery:

not currently

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** sandeen wonders what an hour of HD on ext3 looks like, currently **

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sphery:

but wouldn't be too difficult (and would be unnecessary for analog--since recording profiles specify the bitrates)

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sandeen:

in terms of file layout

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sandeen:

sphery, that's just for software encoding? (specified bitrates?)

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sphery:

if you have your storage groups set up appropriately (# of filesystems >= # of tuners), then they should be pretty flat--assuming you don't overflow your filesystems

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sphery:

specified bitrates for all analog--hardware encoders, too

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sandeen:

hm ok

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sphery:

digital, though, comes pre-compressed, so we get what bitrate they gave

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sandeen:

yep. (why # filesystems >= # tuners? )

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sphery:

Myth attempts to balance I/O, so if it's recording to one filesystem, when it starts a second recording, it will choose a different filesystem if possible

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sandeen:

huh

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sphery:

that means that it will do a very good job minimizing fragmentation due to not preallocating sufficient space

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sandeen:

really, even 2x HD streams shouldn't be too much for a decent FS to hande, IMHO

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sphery:

right--it's mainly to prevent fragmentation

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sandeen:

ah

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sphery:

though the fallocate sounds like it may help with that

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sandeen:

well, that's reasonable. I hate having to manage space on multiple filesystems but I suppose myth takes care of most of that

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sphery:

(I don't have a fallocate man page, though, so that's pure conjecture on my part :)

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sandeen:

the only problem with fallocate is fallocate(2) is only available on bleeding edge glibc

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sphery:

yeah, that's what I figured

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sandeen:

fallocate really only guaranteees that you won't run out of space, but in practice you generally get more contiguous allocation too

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iamlindoro:

wonder if eglibc has picked it up :)

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sphery:

no prob for me (assuming glibc 2.9 has it) as I'm upgrading :)

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iamlindoro:

for the debian kids

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sandeen:

posix_fallocate will call sys_fallocate on older glibc, but the problem with that is it falls back to writing 0s if the kernel or the fs doesn't support it

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sandeen:

and you may not want that

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sandeen:

fallocate(2) is nicer because you know if it's there, and you know if it works (vs. falling back to writing 0s)

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sphery:

d'oh

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sphery:

you know how long it takes to write 6GiB of 0's?

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sandeen:

sphery, http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pa . . . ocate.2.html

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wagnerrp:

sandeen: 2xHD streams should be trivial for any decent FS to handle

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sandeen:

sphery, a while :D

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sphery:

yeah

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sphery:

if it locks the I/O subsystem, too, that would be A Bad Thing

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sphery:

don't remember if that's a TM or R

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iamlindoro:

(tm)(r)

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sphery:

sounds like it would be better to check for support in config and only use it if it's there

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wagnerrp:

my available file space is disappearing in a pit of HD movies

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sphery:

mine is growing--catching up on my TV watching

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, hehe, now you understand my giganto mythvideo array :)

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sphery:

now that the season's over, I know what's safe to watch :)

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sandeen:

sphery, well you need nice alignment of all the stars: glibc has it build-time, then kernel -and- filesystem have it runtime

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sphery:

ah, filesystem, too... that makes it tough

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sandeen:

wagnerrp, spend $89 and get another terabyte :)

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sandeen:

sphery, xfs, ext4 and ocfs2 support the efficient preallocation

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sandeen:

oh and btrfs :)

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wagnerrp:

sandeen: no can do... have to get 750s

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sphery:

2 of the 4 of those are new to me

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wagnerrp:

either that or i buy a bunch of 2TBs and whipe the whole thing

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sphery:

(I'm one of those boring/conservative guys who doesn't experiment with filesystems. :)

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sandeen:

ocfs2 is a clustered fs, btrfs is sortakinda zfs-like

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sphery:

heh, you knew which 2 :)

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sandeen:

not too hard a guess :)

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sphery:

yeah, true

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sandeen:

i'd be happy to help with putting preallocation in though, if I could

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sphery:

btw, the one you were talking to is the one in Europe, so he'll probably get your message tomorrow

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sandeen:

I want to fiddle with that on samba too ...

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sphery:

patches are always appreciated (even if it takes the devs a while to get to them)

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sandeen:

my problem is grokking all the surrounding code

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sphery:

if you can work something up, it will be considered (and much faster than just an idea)

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sandeen:

i'll try lurking on #mythtv to find the right spot

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sphery:

yeah, there's a lot of code in Myth

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sphery:

I started small--with trivial patches--and before long started to learn a few parts of the code.

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sandeen:

I don't have a lot of extra bandwidth, either, TBH :)

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sphery:

Now, I just do my best to avoid any parts I don't already know (like the whole recording/video portion :)

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sphery:

yeah, I'm sure your work on other projects (including ext4) take a nice hunk of your time.

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sandeen:

ext4, xfs, ext3, fedora, rhel, and several packages I maintain... oh and then kids :D

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

well, thanks for the work on them

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** sandeen maintains kids ;) **

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sandeen:

sure, thanks for working on myth :)

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sphery:

I just play with Myth. jan neg and danielk and gbee and ... do the work.

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iamlindoro:

well there you go being full of it again

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iamlindoro:

modesty, pfft!

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sphery:

Just saying I get to write patches without any of the responsibility.

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iamlindoro:

You *often* take responsibility for other people's bugs, don't feed me a line, take some credit for once :)

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sphery:

heh

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iamlindoro:

sandeen, sphery says you're welcome ;)

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sandeen:

hehe

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sphery:

one of these days, iamlindoro will teach me how to live in a social world...

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iamlindoro:

heh, this is IRC, and this channel has much more critical cases than you ;)

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sphery:

of course, iamlindoro, I've never had any users drooling over my patches/enhancements

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sphery:

in fact, generally, they just complain about then

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sphery:

them

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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iamlindoro:

Funny how a certain person never posts to the users list about how *my* patches sit in trac for ages ;)

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sphery:

Why does it check the time zone? Why does it have to do a database backup? ...

[01:45:14]

iamlindoro:

and they're shiny!

[01:45:20]

sphery:

true...

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sphery:

but then again, your patches will go in shortly before 0.22

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wagnerrp:

oh but mysql fixes are so hawt!!!

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iamlindoro:

sphery-- saving Myth users from themselves since 200x

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sphery:

in the Myth world, mythtv is the tortoise and MythVideo is the hare

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sphery:

MV sits around waiting until the race is about over, then jets out of the starting box

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iamlindoro:

pew pew

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sphery:

yeah, my best patches are the ones that users will never realize are there--i.e. they keep them from breaking things so they never have anything to think about

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sphery:

iamlindoro: "best deinterlacers available today on Linux"... thoughts?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, guess that "amongst the most factual things uttered by Jean-Yves Avenard" ;)

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iamlindoro:

that's

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sphery:

haven't seen them, so I have no basis of reference

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sphery:

just wondered what you thought

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bsl:

any reason I should NOT get a nvidia graphics card for my ATI mobo mythtv box?

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I was cputting it in the perspective of everything *else* he says

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iamlindoro:

sphery, I'm no longer surprised by the retarded stuff he comes up with

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mchou:

bsl: well you could theoretically switch to windoze :)

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iamlindoro:

(well, sometimes I'm a *little* surprised, ie ffmpeg syncs)

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sphery:

bsl: only if there's no port to plug the video card into

[01:52:14]

bsl:

sphery?

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mchou:

bsl: and not have to get any HW

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sphery:

just saying that if you want an nvidia card in there, you can get one unless there's nowhere to plug it in

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mchou:

nvidia cards are overrated

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bsl:

I went overboard on my hardware, and I need to get a graphics card so I can play TF2 on my TV

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mchou:

bsl: ahh, you didnt mention gaming

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** sphery plays TF2 on his TV through his XBox 360 **

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bsl:

everything runs awesome (even the HDMI out) but I want that extra boost so I have an all purpose front end

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wagnerrp:

does TF2 do well on WINE?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, My experience with all the HL2 engine stuff has been good

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bsl:

not with integrated video

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bsl:

lots of jaggies

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mchou:

bsl: well, go for nvidia then

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wagnerrp:

bsl: TF2 doesnt do well in windows with integrated video either

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bsl:

my real question, i guess, is there is no reason a Nvidia card would underperform against an ATI card, (on an ATI mobo)

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wagnerrp:

shouldnt be, no

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bsl:

wagnerrp, I've only tried on windows, lol

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wagnerrp:

the only limitation would be lack of SLI

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wagnerrp:

but i doubt youre going to be using that

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mchou:

bsl: only if you're worried about dual cards

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bsl:

mchou, not at all

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wagnerrp:

you can do two independent cards just fine, just no SLI

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bsl:

I've never run SLi, plus I want to keep it semi power concoius

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mchou:

bsl: just go get an nvidia card

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bsl:

gotcha

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wagnerrp:

and no hybrid SLI either, so you cant set it up to turn off the discrete card when youre not using it

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mchou:

bsl: why you even bother asking if you play games is beyond me

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bsl:

mchou, enough said, I'm fairly versed in all things computer

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mchou:

bsl: if your only concern was myth, that could be a different story

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bsl:

mchou, I ended up spending ~700 on my computer after getting psyched about some slickdeals

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mchou:

bsl: 700??

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bsl:

yup

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mchou:

wtf is on it?

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mchou:

I mean you have 17?

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wagnerrp:

well when you have to buy a case and multiple hard drives, it ads up

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mchou:

umm, i7*

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wagnerrp:

unless this is just a frontend

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bsl:

6GB RAM – $100, Phenom II 720 Black, Micro-ATX DFI board, Antec Fusion Case, 600W Earth-something PS

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mchou:

oh my god

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mchou:

total overkill

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bsl:

i know i know, I like hardware

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mchou:

600W

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bsl:

I want HD no questions asked

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bsl:

It was cheap

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bsl:

low watts

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mchou:

you dont need 600W for HD

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bsl:

low watts

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bsl:

no question about supporting any video I wanted

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bsl:

** video card

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wagnerrp:

well ram wont give you that... and using 6GB on a dual channel system will probably just end up reducing throughput

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mchou:

why didnt you go intel?

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bsl:

I'm away about the RAM, it was a good deal

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mchou:

mchou: you could have gotten HD with intel on board :)

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wagnerrp:

my decently overclocked desktop, with 4GB of ram, several hard drives, and two video cards hits maybe 300W under load

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bsl:

mchou, only mobo supported DDR3 + micro was DFI JR-M5H3

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mchou:

lower power consumption too

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bsl:

** with the speed channels I wante

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bsl:

I DID say I went overboard

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bsl:

I'm aware

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bsl:

but I love me some HW

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mchou:

you want HW go get an iphone :)

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bsl:

f-that

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bsl:

spending 700 on computer is nothign to me against spending 80$ a month on a phone

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mchou:

now that intel has bought wind river life is gonna get interesting

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bsl:

I KNOW

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bsl:

I work with VxWorks at my day-job

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mchou:

intel inside....

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mchou:

more ways than one

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mchou:

MSFT is toast

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bsl:

fucking crazy, 800 million!!! for fucking WindRiver

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mchou:

qualcomm with their android implementation on their chipset.....

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bsl:

I wonder how many employees WindRiver has, can't be THAT many

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mchou:

bah

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bsl:

they mad some bank

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sphery:

bsl: good choice on the Antec Earthwatts PSU, though :)

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** sphery loves 80 PLUS **

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bsl:

sphery, smooth and quiet so far

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wagnerrp:

why is burn notice not recording...

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sphery:

I have a bunch of the 430W ones

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wagnerrp:

they changed the time slot

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sphery:

switching from my old cheap "up-to-80% efficient" ones is saving me $1.50/mo per myth backend (and about $0.80/mo on other, less-loaded (with HDD's and peripherals) systems)

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sphery:

wagnerrp: they should have given more notice :)

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bsl:

I want to program to my IMON LCD without any external driver, is ther any community created documentation about their protocol? (other than reading the LIRC driver code)

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wagnerrp:

sphery: it recorded just fine, i was just surprised to check the backend status and not see it recording

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wagnerrp:

it used to be 10–11, but now its 9–10

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sphery:

cool

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mchou:

I'm all for saving power but how long does it take to pay for itself?

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wagnerrp:

2–3 years?

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mchou:

I men let's say your old PSU is 70% efficient. New 80+

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sphery:

I paid $30 for each of mine, so 20mos for the 2 backend systems

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mchou:

that's a 10+% deifferential

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mchou:

differential*

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sphery:

and 3 years, 1 1/2 mos for the others

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sphery:

but the thing is, I got these to replace failing or failed PSU's

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mchou:

well, then that would make sens

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sphery:

mchou: the differential is much greater

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mchou:

if your PSU aint failing I wouldnt rush out to replace it

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sphery:

as 80 PLUS guarantees 80% efficiency from 20% load to 100% load

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bsl:

can you guys recommend a low-profile, cheap case for a backend?

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sphery:

and most of the "up-to-80% efficient" ones are 80% efficient at 50% load and go drastically lower at other loads

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mchou:

sphery: bah

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sphery:

mchou: all my measurements of power savings (and money savings) are using a kill-a-watt with at-the-wall usage, so I believe it

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mchou:

mythbackend workload doesnt vary that much

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mchou:

mythbackend here is pretty much steady state

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mchou:

only time when it might even spike is transcoding....

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sphery:

so, if you happen to know exactly what power load your system will be under, you can buy the exact right PSU (assuming they make one that's 2x your average load) to give you max efficiency with a cheap PSU

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mchou:

and since I do lossless only....

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mchou:

it's hardly economically justifiable unless my PSU is failing

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sphery:

like I said, "I got these to replace failing or failed PSU's"

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mchou:

I'm still using my 350W psus from eons ago

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mchou:

like from the P2 days

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sphery:

and I recommend to /anyone/ in the market for a new PSU that they buy 80 PLUS because doing otherwise is just a waste

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mchou:

sphery: agreed

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sphery:

oh, and the $1.50/mo and $0.80/mo is with a power cost of $0.10/kWh (which is cheap)

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sphery:

if you're in CA and paying an average of $0.20/kWh or $0.30/kWh after factoring in tiered billing...

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mchou:

bah

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mchou:

baseline only baby!

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mchou:

that's how you tell the greenies from the gas guzzlers!

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sphery:

if you're keeping it to baseline, you're doing pretty well, so you probably don't have to worry too much about cutting usage

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mchou:

yup. baseline only here

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mchou:

solar + gas elsewhere

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mchou:

now if I can only hook up my mythbox to solar panels....

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mchou:

mediated by the UPS

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bsl:

hmmm... I wonder what would happen if you hooked up your penis to solar pannels.. hm...

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mchou:

bsl: that Carradine

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mchou:

that's*

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bsl:

lol, didn't he die today

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bsl:

that tasteless

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mchou:

nothing tasteless about it

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mchou:

that's pretty much how he dies

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mchou:

died*

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mchou:

auto-eroticism or whatever it''s called

[02:20:16]

mchou:

naked hanging from closet.....

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mchou:

you figure it out

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bsl:

lol, you see a headline saying "died in bangkok" and you know nothing good can follow...

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mchou:

bsl: you know what's really strange

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bsl:

mchou: I don't

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mchou:

bsl: the crack hos in bangkok couldnt keep Carradine busy

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bsl:

mchou: wow, they suck

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mchou:

I mean that part makes no sense whatsoever

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bsl:

PUN INTENDED!!!

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bsl:

bwahahhaa

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bsl:

he's an old man! he has no juice left

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bsl:

must have ben popping the viagra to begin with

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mchou:

precisely. more solar panels :)

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bsl:

solar panels can't solve ALL problems

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mchou:

it would have given him more juice

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basement-server:

he tried pullin' a INXS...

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phunyguy:

:-/

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Dagmar:

Putting out weak albums, dressing gay and telling everyone you're not?

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basement-server:

it's totally flawed.. lol... come on grasshopper!

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basement-server:

no.. the self affication thing

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basement-server:

how ever ya spell it

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Dagmar:

What? PLaying the "spaceman" game?

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Dagmar:

Autoerotic asphyxiation

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basement-server:

dunno... just guessing at this point

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basement-server:

but 73... gotta do something different?

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basement-server:

i dunno.. very weird situation there.. i haven't heard anything new since hearing "hung in closet, naked"

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Dagmar:

I kinda doubt he was alone

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iamlindoro:

I would say he succeeded at pulling an INXS

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basement-server:

dunnoo... they strangle themselves while jerking to get off....

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basement-server:

passing out it typical...

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basement-server:

sounds just about right..

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basement-server:

it=is...

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Dagmar:

I suspect he was getting kinky with a karaoke girl

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Dagmar:

...and someone screwed up

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basement-server:

i hope so.. lol

[03:06:07]

basement-server:

would suck to kill yourself trying to get off...

[03:06:42]

basement-server:

well, i guess "you" wouldn't care...

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Dagmar:

You really woulnd't believe the freaky s**t that goes on there

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basement-server:

don't call it bangcock for nothing...

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Pontiac:

Anyone still awake?

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wagnerrp:

nope

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Pontiac:

heh. Awesome.

[04:12:35]

Pontiac:

Its good that everyones asleep here. Sleep does the body good.

[04:12:44]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: looks like moon bloodgood is going to guest star on burn notice next week

[04:12:56]

iamlindoro:

God damn it I love her

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wagnerrp:

i know you think shes no Jewel and all...

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iamlindoro:

Oh I'll be okay

[04:15:20]

Pontiac:

does mythfilldatabase --refresh-all essentially wipe and re-process the datadirect channel listings?

[04:15:44]

wagnerrp:

as far as i know

[04:15:59]

Pontiac:

I notice when I process manually, it says "Today is up to date... not gonna do anything with it even though I just spent the time downloading it"

[04:16:29]

Pontiac:

Mythtv is written in a subset of C, isn't it?

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wagnerrp:

mythtv is written in C++, with QT bindings

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wagnerrp:

so a superset of C

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** Pontiac 's gotta flip his terms around. heh **

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iamlindoro:

--refresh-all --refresh-today

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Pontiac:

Both on one command line?

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wagnerrp:

well you can use '\' to split it into two lines

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Pontiac:

What I meant was doesn't `today` become redundant if you use `all`?

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iamlindoro:

try it and find out

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Pontiac:

Ya know, my car just exibited its first paranormal experience by not turning over today for 15 minutes, then 45 minutes later by the tow truck driver... only to have the repair shop ONLY plug in the diagnostic tool, and then the car works...

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sphery:

--refresh-all should do all days including today

[04:20:39]

Pontiac:

So lets push my luck some more and see what I can screw up on my 2nd favorite machine in the house. heh

[04:20:46]

sphery:

but, depending on where you're at, there may not be enough of today so that might mess it up

[04:20:47]

Dagmar:

It r teh dedly VAPOR LAWK

[04:21:16]

Dagmar:

Did the engine turn at all when you were first trying to start it?

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Pontiac:

No.

[04:21:32]

Dagmar:

Loose wire then

[04:21:48]

Dagmar:

Be glad you don't have a gratuitous fuel line cutout switch on the handlebars

[04:22:02]

Dagmar:

Twice now I've tried to kick-start my scooter

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Pontiac:

Turn the key to ON, hear the fan turn on, the fuel pump turn on, dash board lit up.... turn to crank. Nothing. My key fob also was dead, until the ghost got scared of the repair shop.

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Dagmar:

Oh wait you have one of the fancy smart keys?

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Pontiac:

The key is just metal... Just the key lock tries to be smart. Its getting old and forgetting what the original key looks like.

[04:23:06]

Dagmar:

The ones with little RF tags in them can go screwy on you

[04:23:13]

Dagmar:

They'll do what you're talking about

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Pontiac:

3 brown bills (100s for you yankees) to fix.

[04:23:23]

Dagmar:

Key can be in there and turn, but ignition won't come on

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Dagmar:

The scooter's fuel cutout switch is just embarassing. The thing will just refuse to catch when you turn it

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Pontiac:

In the Grand Am, its called a Pass Lock system. What happens is the key lock decides if the car starts or not. It needs glasses or something, cuz its not looking at the key properly.

[04:24:23]

Dagmar:

I've no idea why the hell the Taiwanese/Koreans have that switch there at all really

[04:24:37]

Pontiac:

Every once in a while, I get the SECURITY light up. I just don't wanna fork over the $300+ to fix it right at the moment. Paying off one $800 cell phone and a $8000 credit card.

[04:24:46]

Dagmar:

"Wait, so this button makes it so fuel won't go to the engine, even when I'm turning the starter?"

[04:25:01]

Pontiac:

Dagmar> Cuz they like to pretend that they're smart.

[04:25:09]

Dagmar:

Enh sounds like you've got iffy power connections to the ECU

[04:25:28]

wagnerrp:

why would you want to cut off fuel flow?

[04:25:38]

wagnerrp:

its not like you have a diesel scooter

[04:25:43]

Dagmar:

Pontiac: Well, I'm about to turn that particular control into a volume control if I can't find a good reason for that being there.

[04:25:44]

wagnerrp:

you cut the ignition, and the engine stops

[04:25:45]

Pontiac:

Its the BCM thats making the decisions, not the ECU.

[04:25:59]

Pontiac:

hehe. volume control. Nice.

[04:26:42]

Dagmar:

Well, I *did* just install a stereo into the thing

[04:27:00]

Dagmar:

I would like some controls I can hit with my thumb so I'm not sitting at a red light with the stereo on full blast

[04:27:13]

xris:

wow, hdhomerun recording really kills my poor little switch.

[04:27:21]

Pontiac:

... why not? I do that with the GA, and all the windows are open.

[04:27:25]

Dagmar:

125cc means only having to worry about 50W and two little speakers to completely drown out the engine

[04:27:36]

Pontiac:

oh.. speaking of tunes. Need something to wake me up in the AM on my wat to work in ...6 hours.

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Dagmar:

There's a couple of cops who regularly trawl my neighborhood who know who I am now

[04:28:38]

Dagmar:

I don't want them hassling me again. Heh

[04:28:45]

wagnerrp:

dagmar: bah... ive got a 15cc motor that will pump out 2.5kW

[04:28:57]

Dagmar:

I actually got pulled over and given a warning a few months ago because of NIN's "1,000,000"

[04:29:09]

Pontiac:

Damn... *turns his headphones waaaay up*

[04:29:15]

Dagmar:

It wasn't the stereo in the beemer he was hearing two blocks away, it was me.

[04:29:45]

Dagmar:

THAT's just embarrassing

[04:30:16]

Dagmar:

Well, that and the lyric in question involved the phrase "...blow my f**king brains out..." which is perhaps a bit much for a nice little suburb at 6pm

[04:30:38]

** Pontiac kicks up Buck Cherry – Lit Up... then starts FEELING the headphones move against his ears.... oh so sweet. **

[04:31:04]

Dagmar:

You can't understand Industrial's true power until you can hit 120dBa unassisted.

[04:31:21]

wagnerrp:

pontiac: i found out my headphones will actually do that too... i had just never turned them up that loud

[04:31:46]

Pontiac:

LOL!

[04:31:59]

Pontiac:

I rarely get to do this.

[04:32:24]

Pontiac:

I honestly, sincerely, can... not.... WAIT... to get my own house, kick the wife and kids out, and kill some speakers. >:]

[04:33:04]

Pontiac:

I used to have a set of speakers that'd rattle windows on the opposite side of the house. Those were the days.....

[04:33:29]

Dagmar:

Cheat.

[04:33:39]

Pontiac:

Cheat?

[04:33:46]

Dagmar:

Hit up a concert supplier for whatever they're getting rid of

[04:33:59]

Dagmar:

If you want LOUD you want 250lb bass bins.

[04:34:04]

Pontiac:

LMFAO! I never thought that...

[04:34:19]

Pontiac:

*starts another savings account with an evil laugh*

[04:34:24]

Dagmar:

F**k buying some pantywaisted "audiophile" speakers.

[04:34:32]

Dagmar:

Get the s*8t you'd use for a warehouse party.

[04:34:45]

Dagmar:

The kind of stuff that makes landlords not even *bother* with saying something about noise

[04:35:10]

Pontiac:

Well mostly because they can't be heard over the music... or.. their pace maker starts acting up when they come near the speakers.

[04:35:20]

Dagmar:

We had just one four-foot high sub in the garage for awhile

[04:35:31]

Dagmar:

It was the most fun you can imagine having with the right LFO

[04:35:33]

wagnerrp:

who cares about audio quality in your acoustically tuned listening room... you want to know what the sound quality is halfway down the street

[04:35:36]

Pontiac:

4 foot??

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Dagmar:

Oh yes

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Dagmar:

...as in "large enough to lay on it's back and bounce pennies into the ceiling"

[04:36:11]

Pontiac:

Thats a way to wake the kids up. ... or knock them out, depending on the frequency, I suppose.

[04:36:23]

Pontiac:

LMFAO! That woulda been AWESOME to see.

[04:36:39]

Dagmar:

It can make all the furniture in the house skitter around the floor like those football games kids played with before video games existed

[04:36:52]

Pontiac:

Would also have to turn all the electrical equipment in the house as well, due to power spikes and sags.

[04:37:00]

Dagmar:

Nope

[04:37:20]

Dagmar:

We were screwing around with resonant frequencies

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Dagmar:

It almost occurred to us too late what happens to cars where the stereo is tuned poorly and it vibrates the vehicle

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wagnerrp:

well my weak little pair of 10"s will make furniture bounce around

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Pontiac:

Well, ok... Computers. Making the heads skip on HDD platters isn't .. well.. yes, it is fun. Nevermind. heh

[04:38:04]

Dagmar:

We were like "Mayyyybe we don't want the nails to come crawling out of the wall studs"

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wagnerrp:

freshman year, i had my bed lofted with my computer underneath

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Dagmar:

bed crash?

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Pontiac:

... maybe... Like the CSI ep where airplanes collapsed a house? heh

[04:38:39]

wagnerrp:

with a pair of combo speakers taped to the back bed posts

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Dagmar:

Ah

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wagnerrp:

2x2", 1x6" and 1x10" in one box

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wagnerrp:

hooked up to a stereo, and used as computer speakers

[04:39:16]

wagnerrp:

well i would use my computer as an alarm clock

[04:39:29]

Pontiac:

I used to do that as well, when I had my computer in my room.

[04:39:34]

Pontiac:

Now its in the kitchen.

[04:39:38]

wagnerrp:

but one night, i forgot to turn the bass down, and a rather bassy song started up on shuffle

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Dagmar:

Oh dear

[04:40:07]

wagnerrp:

vibrating awake is not a pleasant feeling

[04:40:21]

Dagmar:

Agreed

[04:40:33]

Dagmar:

I have an earlier model of the "Sonic Boom" alarm clock that ThinkGeek sells.

[04:40:43]

wagnerrp:

but that surge of adrenaline when almost falling 7ft to a hard tile floor instantly wakes you up

[04:40:47]

Dagmar:

That black egg-like thingy that comes with it is a vibrator for shaking the bed

[04:40:54]

Dagmar:

I used it twice.

[04:41:03]

Dagmar:

I decided that waking up swinging isn't a good idea

[04:41:35]

wagnerrp:

my roommate wasnt too happy either

[04:42:46]

wagnerrp:

ah yes... Rage Against the Machine, cover of Maggie's Farm

[04:42:58]

wagnerrp:

a couple seconds of guitar, and then rumbling bed

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Pontiac:

I'm more into listening the mid-to-bass tones.. like metal guitars. I can't get enough of the sound. Such as in "Lit Up" or "Back in Black".

[04:48:45]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: You should dig around for the limited edition version of Prodigy's "The Weather Experience"

[04:49:03]

Dagmar:

One of the tracks on it is kinda quiet on normal stereos. Oddly quiet in fact.

[04:49:15]

Dagmar:

That's because most of it is going on in the <20Hz range.

[04:49:32]

Pontiac:

Very nice.

[04:49:35]

Dagmar:

The little squeaky "Little bit o' base!" sample is somewhat of a joke.

[04:49:39]

wagnerrp:

the album, not the song?

[04:49:41]

Dagmar:

Sounds like a damn train coming through

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Pontiac:

Gotta get to bed.

[04:50:09]

Dagmar:

The CD5, i.e., one of the EP CDs... not the album itself.

[04:50:16]

Dagmar:

The album version is relatively normal

[04:53:15]

wagnerrp:

well a quick check with a tone generator, these headphones go down to about 7Hz

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Pontiac:

.. software based tone gen? Again, why didn't I think of that?

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wagnerrp:

the earbuds actually do a bit better, i stop hearing pulses around 5Hz

[05:00:09]

merlin^:

Okay so I loaded mythbuntu, latest version, and when I try to go to set up the backend ( http://turl.ca/mythbackend ) it goes to a blank screen with a box ( turl.ca/mythfail ) and sits.. then if I hit escape it goes to a blank-ish screen ( turl.ca/mythblank ) and sits.... trust me, I wait a LONG time (like go make a pizza) for something to appear... This is on a fresh install on a decent machine with a Radeon 7000 video card. Any thoughts?

[05:00:41]

merlin^:

(oops I failed to http those other two turl images sorry)

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Pontiac:

If I crank the volume, I can hear the static coming in and out at less than 1hz.

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wagnerrp:

Pontiac: this was with volume kept at reasonable levels

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wagnerrp:

merlin^: what video drivers are you using?

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wagnerrp:

specifically, have you intentionally dont anything to enable opengl?

[05:02:19]

wagnerrp:

s/dont/done/

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merlin^:

wagnerrp: I haven't made any changes... so I've not specifically done anything other than the base install from the mythbuntu CD

[05:02:40]

Pontiac:

I'm at about 22hz where I can still hear it. too much background noise though.

[05:03:10]

wagnerrp:

background noise? environmental or line?

[05:03:16]

Pontiac:

environmental.

[05:03:24]

Pontiac:

Computer fans.

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merlin^:

wagnerrp: I had originally done an Ubuntu install and then added the mythtv packages, got the same problem, so I decided to blow it away and use mythbuntu... thinking it might work better =\

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wagnerrp:

merlin^: chances are you are trying to use the opengl painter, and your system does not currently support opengl

[05:04:01]

merlin^:

wagnerrp: can I turn that off?

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wagnerrp:

you need to use '-O ThemePainter=qt' when calling mythtv-setup

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merlin^:

ok

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merlin^:

brb

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wagnerrp:

however mythbuntu goes about things differently

[05:04:14]

wagnerrp:

hold on

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Pontiac:

At 19hz, I can just barely `feel` the pulse.

[05:04:33]

wagnerrp:

mythbuntu has a wrapper script that replaced mythtv-setup

[05:04:57]

wagnerrp:

you need to ask a mythbuntu user how to properly run the mythtv applications

[05:05:02]

wagnerrp:

as in #ubuntu-mythtv

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wagnerrp:

ask

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Pontiac:

Alright, I'm out.

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wagnerrp:

but if you get the expresso machine on woot, the caffeine can keep you up longer!

[05:06:18]

merlin^:

ok

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merlin^:

yeah the -O etc etc didnt help

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merlin^:

I'll go ask in the other chan

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merlin^:

wagnerrp: looks like I need a new video card (from my research) ... is there a favorite that "just works" ?

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wagnerrp:

anything nvidia, or something you can confirm is supported by fglrx

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wagnerrp:

(something ATI supported by fglrx)

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joako:

I have huge problems with my video, All I see is: http://www.bouncethem.com/8081

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merlin^:

wagnerrp: ok thx

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android6011:

I'm trying to decide which of my 2 motherboards i should use for m.c machine, for integrated graphics would you go with nvidia geforce 7100 or radeon 3000 hd

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kormoc:

neather

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android6011:

what do you recommend?

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kormoc:

I'd use a nvidia card that supported VDPAU so in the future, you'd have hardware accelerated decoding

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kormoc:

that said, no matter what, ati would be my last choice, as they traditionally have many issues under linux

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android6011:

how can i tell if a card i have supports vdpau

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kormoc:

check the supported card list on the wiki?

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kormoc:

but the 7xxx cards don't

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android6011:

ok, i think i have an 8600gt

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kormoc:

that very likely does

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android6011:

would vdpau be enabled by default or is it one of those things that requires tweaking

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kormoc:

it's still under active development, but the next stable myth release will have support for it, and it should work fairly out of the box

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android6011:

also, ive been told my 8600 card would be overkill for hd content that i could have a 6000 series geforce and up and be fine

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kormoc:

assuming your cpu could handle the decoding and all that jazz on it's own, that's true

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android6011:

core 2 duo , one of the cheaper ones

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kormoc:

it's more effecient to have the gpu do it tho, especially if/when you interact with h264 content

[06:03:11]

android6011:

ya thats what i figured

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android6011:

also, any idea when the next release of mythtv might be?

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kormoc:

a few months at least, but no real idea

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android6011:

if i install mythtbuntu or something similar, how easy is it to upgrade and test out latest svn? because ive been using vista mc b.c my hauppauge 1800hvr card isnt supported

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kormoc:

I've only used gentoo, so I don't know

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android6011:

is there a myth geared gentoo distro?

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kormoc:

nope, just gentoo

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wagnerrp:

it wouldnt be all that difficult to write some scripts and meta-ebuilds to pull everything together off a few options in a GUI

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wagnerrp:

but youre still going to be compiling for 2–10 hours depending on the machine

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sidh:

greetings home theater lovers

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shawnmstout:

hey i got my backend configured but im still not able to see any live tv, can someone point me in the right direction?

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civpro:

hey i got my backend configured but im still not able to see any live tv, can someone point me in the right direction?

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tank-man:

try looking at log output

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civpro:

tank, where can i find the log output at?

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civpro:

sorry for the repeat, that was a accident

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tank-man:

depends on where you tell it to output the log

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tank-man:

a reasonable place is somewhere in /var/log/

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civpro:

tank, sorry im pretty new to mythtv man,

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civpro:

ok ill look there first

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tank-man:

mythbackend has an option for where to put the log file

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civpro:

tank-man, http://www.pastie.org/501373 can you take a look?

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tank-man:

civpro, does your tv tuner card work outside of mythtv ?

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jonau:

I added a new storage area, but now all my predefined rules say they are recording, but the file is not there. The log shows continuous errors that the file does not exist? Anyone seen this before?

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stuarta:

jonau: check permissions, directory names setup properly etc

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xaxes:

hey there :) how can I adjust a channel list? like my favourite channel on "1", second on "2" and so on?

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jonau:

stuarta: Nothing has changed for the default storage, I just added a new storage area and I did check the permissions. The problem is the default storage is no longer working after creating a second storage area?

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stuarta:

what do you mean by "creating a second storage area"

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jonau:

stuarta: Go into the mythtv backend setup and create a new storage area.

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stuarta:

right

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jonau:

creating a new storage area should not cause the existing default one to stop working?

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stuarta:

not unless you replaced the old one inadvertantly

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xaxes:

mhh, setting in mythweb on the tv->channel-info the "channel"-row, should effect access on this channel using the number I entered, or?

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stuarta:

jonau: pastebin the output of "select * from storagegroup;" from your database

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jonau:

http://pastebin.com/d60c153bd

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stuarta:

so mythtv is your backend?

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jonau:

yeah

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stuarta:

so you only have 1 storage area defined /var/lib/mythtv/recordings

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stuarta:

which is where it will try to put everything

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jonau:

no, the other one is the new one, but I am not recording to that yet, so even with the wrong name it should not interfere with the recording?

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jonau:

yeah, the path you list above is the one I have used for 2+ years now. It was working up until I added the other storage area last night?

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toxster:

anyone have any idea on where to start troubleshoot why my mythweb listings is empty?

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toxster:

theyre working in the frontend

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toxster:

I have EPG data, and the passwords are correct in the mythweb.conf for apache

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toxster:

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Finswimmer:

Hello, I have an Frontend/Backend where umlaute/special signs e.g üäö are working fine. But on a remote frontend they are all messed up.

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Finswimmer:

Driver error was [2/1267]:

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Finswimmer:

QMYSQL3: Unable to execute query

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Finswimmer:

Database error was:

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Finswimmer:

Illegal mix of collations (latin1_swedish_ci,IMPLICIT) and (utf8_general_ci,COERCIBLE) for operation '='

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Finswimmer:

Is said on the remote frontend with mythfrontend -v all

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stuarta:

jonau: where have you got the new storage mounted?

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jonau:

stuarta: I think there may have been something that changed my hostname as part of an upgrade. Just trying something out, but will get back to you if there is still problems. Thanks for the help

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stuarta:

k

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Finswimmer:

The mystery is that it is working on one frontend. And the DB is the same for both, of course...

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hashbang:

http://www.ebuyer.com/product/128368/show_product_reviews # MSI Media Live Barebones for £49.98

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** stuarta thinks hashbang needs to read more carefully **

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hashbang:

no RGB on the SCART, apparently – the pins don't go anywhere!

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hashbang:

stuarta: oops, yeah, add £100

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sid3windr:

funny comments

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toxster:

have anyone gotten mythstreamtv working on mythbuntu 9.04 ?

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toxster:

i want to use myth as a slingbox, for watching at my summer house, but my upstream is only 2mb so i need to transcode the stream before i send it out

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Pontiac:

Awesome. I get to be at work, yet still use my home machine TO work. :/

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Pontiac:

This is gonna chew bandwidth. *sigh

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J-e-f-f-A:

toxster: There's built in flash streaming in mythweb, just have to turn it on. I don't know if it's installed in mytubuntu 9.04, but I would think it is...

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basement-server:

ok.. well, I have all channel listings now.. I can watch and hear live tv.. record live tv.. but I cannot Schdule or do Manual recordings

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basement-server:

I'm about to delete all my capture cards and try that step over.. but seems like capture is actually working fine...

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basement-server:

when I try to use the Program Guide or the Manual Record, it goes thru all the set up, but looking in Upcoming Recordings shows nothing

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basement-server:

and it doesn't record :(

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basement-server:

umm, possible ignore this lol.. going to delete them all and try from scratch :)

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civpro:

tank-man, sorry i ended up falling asleep last night

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civpro:

anyone able to help me getting my tv tuner working?

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sphery:

Finswimmer: is your database on your gentoo box or some other distro?

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sphery:

Finswimmer: if it's on the gentoo box, it's broken: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding

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sphery:

Finswimmer: If it's not on a gentoo box, then chances are you have a partially-corrupt DB (which is /much/ more difficult to clean up) from using a broken config on the gentoo box and a not-broken config on others (like the Ubuntu box). My recommendation would be to not worry about the garbage that's in there, now, but to fix your mysql config on the gentoo box so it uses the proper encoding for client connections.

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sphery:

note, that the http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Fixing_Corrupt_Database_Encoding instructions assume that the entire DB is corrupt--if it's only partially corrupt, that approach will "flip-flop" what's corrupt, so unless it's completely corrupt, you're better off just using the info about proper config to try to fix the gentoo mysql client config

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Finswimmer:

sphery: Thank you for your help. I solved it by compiling mysql with "latin1" useflag.

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Finswimmer:

The situation was: backend on mythbuntu, frontend: gentoo.

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Finswimmer:

So now everything is working fine.

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Finswimmer:

Thanks again

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sphery:

Finswimmer: and the database itself was on which system (the backend system that was on mythbuntu)? if so, you should be good.

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Finswimmer:

sphery: Database is on mythbuntu using latin1 encoding.

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sphery:

cool...

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sphery:

glad you got it sorted

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Zaqq:

hi everyone ... i was wondering if i can use a dvb-c pci card to create a dvr .. i am from india

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: Assuming your local cable provider uses DVB-C, and it's either unencrypted or they provide a hardware CAM, that should be fine

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Zaqq:

it is encrypted i believe

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Zaqq:

its a humax box he provides .. if thats of any help

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iamlindoro:

If it is, then they would need to sell or rent you a CAM to use in a DVB-C card with CI

[15:05:02]

iamlindoro:

if they don't provide that, then you probably can't use a DVB-C card

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iamlindoro:

You *could* still use a capture card to capture the output of the cable box, though

[15:05:24]

Zaqq:

but its a hassle changing channels

[15:05:42]

iamlindoro:

Not really, Myth handles all of that when you set it up properly

[15:06:03]

iamlindoro:

meaning you set up IR or Firewire channel changing in myth's setup, and it changes the boxes on the cable box automatically

[15:06:51]

iamlindoro:

er changes the channels on the

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Zaqq:

i wanted to achieve something like the tatasky+ service provides .... with the IR and everything .. can i pause and resume and go backwards while watching live tv?

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Zaqq:

or sky+ service in the uk

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iamlindoro:

Heh, tata really owns everything in India, don't they? :)

[15:07:46]

iamlindoro:

And yes, you can pause, go back, etc. with Myth

[15:07:52]

Zaqq:

yeah ... there the only guys here who sell a DVR box

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Zaqq:

iamlindoro: but the question is .. can the features i mentioned be enabled with the capture card method?

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: Yes

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Zaqq:

wow ... can some1 point me to a web link on the results achieved? any drawbacks?

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: There's nothing special about what you are talking about doing, I would estimate that at least half of myth setups use the Set top box + capture card method

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iamlindoro:

so there's no real link to provide on results, as that's a fairly average myth setup

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Zaqq:

and what abt EPG for india?

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iamlindoro:

You could look at the XMLTV project for that-- Myth uses XMLTV for places outside the US

[15:10:39]

iamlindoro:

I would guess that there's a grabber for india

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Zaqq:

hmm .. googling

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Zaqq:

also can i record one channel while pausing another channel to resume watching later? .. the mind never stops does it? :)

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: For you to record/watch multiple things at once in your situation, you would need multiple set top boxes and multiple capture cards

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sphery:

Zaqq: you'll need a separate tuner/capture card for each channel you want to use at the same time

[15:12:25]

sphery:

in your case, the tuner = the set-top box

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iamlindoro:

1 STB + 1 Capture card for each simultaneous recording or live TV session

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sphery:

and the capture card would be, for example, a Hauppauge PVR-150

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Zaqq:

sphery: i have a pinnacle pctv pro ... which does not have a hardware MPEG encoder

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Zaqq:

can a sempron (i want a low power 24x7 machine) handle 2 capture cards and run mythtv?

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: That's unfortunate, you really want a hardware ancoder for analog whenever possible

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iamlindoro:

But a Sempron would likely be fine whether you have hardware encoders or not... still, the hardware encoding cards are *much* nicer-- if you have the option they are strongly recommended

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Zaqq:

hauppage pvr-150 is available with a microsoft media centre bundle pack .. i.e OEM only

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clever:

even my 1.6ghz system has trouble with 1 software encoder

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Zaqq:

and i dont want to use MCE because it doesnt support all the codecs and do so much more like mythtv

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sphery:

yeah, 2 software encoders would be /very/ difficult (if not impossible) with a sempron-based system

[15:16:20]

Zaqq:

athlon dual core? 2.1 Ghz? with mythtv running in the background?

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Zaqq:

it retails for abt $40 on newegg

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sphery:

Zaqq: here in the US, they sell PVR-150 MCE "kits", which are just the PVR-150 capture card plus an IR blaster (for changing channels on the set-top box) and IR receiver/remote control

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sphery:

you don't have to buy an entire Windows MCE system (including Windows MCE)

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Zaqq:

btw i am currently on a athlon xp 1700 which i intend to upgrade ... so all options welcome .. subject to being the best bang for the buck

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sphery:

and the PVR-150 MCE kit works great in Myth... I think the IR blaster works, too

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Zaqq:

sphery: exactly ... in india hauppage does not sell it .. it is avlbl only thru the microsoft bundle pack

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sphery:

are you guys using PAL or NTSC?

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Zaqq:

PAL

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Zaqq:

PAL-D to be secific

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Zaqq:

specific*

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Zaqq:

sphery: by 'works great' wht exactly do u mean? my non-encoder connexcent chip causes audio delas sometimes on the athlon 1700+ xp machine

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Zaqq:

delays

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Zaqq:

do you get any audio sync issues?

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iamlindoro:

He means not having those types of problems

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sphery:

I just meant that that PVR-150 MCE kits work in Myth/Linux--not just WIndows MCE

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sphery:

and, yeah, you won't have those problems

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iamlindoro:

the PVR-150 is the "gold standard" analog encoder card for myth

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sphery:

(or a host of other audio-related issues)

[15:21:29]

iamlindoro:

meaning of all the possible cards we could recommend for analog capture, that's the one and only one we recommend first, every time

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Zaqq:

do u guys have a post/ blog somewhere i can read on how you built your machines ... so tht i can take tips?

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Zaqq:

thx iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: There's lots and lots of useful information on the wiki, wiki.mythtv.org

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iamlindoro:

most people who post about their hardware do it on their user page, which means using the advanced search (or just browsing through user pages)

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Zaqq:

ok ... i wanted a more *personal* how i did it kinda thing ... with a little more passion than a wiki page :) but i will check it out

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: Trusting peoples blogs is a very very bad thing when it comes to myth

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: As every single Myth blog I am aware of is horribly out of date and always ends up leading people to buy stuff they shouldn't buy

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iamlindoro:

We constantly get people who bought out of date equipment or fouled up their install because they followed a blog

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Zaqq:

if i somehow get my hands on the PVR-150 ... what's the most bang for the $$$ system i can buy? dual core / sempron/ celeron

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Zaqq:

i want it to take as little power as possible

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Zaqq:

taking into account ... i have an inefficient 400W PSU

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Zaqq:

considering 70% efficiency

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Zaqq:

any tips?

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sphery:

Zaqq: everything I'm seeing online says that Hauppauge is not officially selling the PVR-150 in India, but it's available at many retailers if you specifically ask for it.

[15:27:53]

sphery:

I.e. those places that will sell it to you in an MCE system generally tend to sell it to you alone if you ask.

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Zaqq:

sphery; absolutely correct ... the one's i have asked bundle it with xp mce

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: If you are using hadware encoders, any of those will work adequately for an SD machine

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sphery:

it sounds like they'll sell it without, though

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Zaqq:

sphery: i'll check it out tommorow ... how much does it retail for out there?

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sphery:

as for power, I'm a /big/ believer in 80 PLUS power supply units (especially if your cheap one fails). Beyond that, get a nice low-TDP processor

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Zaqq:

iamlindoro: sphery: an atom 230 single core might be too slow for rendering the UI and fast forwarding etc right?

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: Considering we're talking about Standard Definition, and the backend load will be extremely low with hardware encoders, I'd wager even an Atom would be fine

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sphery:

i.e. if you can have a 65WTDP Athlon X2 or a 65W TDP Athlon XP 2000+, go for the X2 (as it will likely run at lower power because it will be under much lower load)

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Zaqq:

we get the atom+sucky intel motherboard for abt US$80

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Zaqq:

can i underclock the athlon on linux? like i can on windows using utilities that reduce the vcore

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sphery:

Zaqq: this site: http://www.techfuels.com/everything-else/4840 . . . 150-mce.html from July 2008 said Rs.l,300 another place that mentioned getting it was http://www.pcworld.in/india/features/5046357/ . . . s_on_Your_PC

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Zaqq:

wow

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Zaqq:

thx so much for the links sphery

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sphery:

I, personally, would choose a more powerful processor than the atom--especially if you plan to run a single combined frontend/backend/database server system

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Zaqq:

combined

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sphery:

but then again, I'm a big fan of having more power than required

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Zaqq:

it will be on 24x7

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sphery:

I think running the MySQL database that Myth requires on the atom would likely be a problem

[15:33:38]

Zaqq:

and i would be overjoyed if linux supports underclocking the cpu to abt 0.80 volts

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Zaqq:

by underclokcing i meant undervolting

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sphery:

with 0.21-fixes (current stable release), you can use MythWelcome/MythShutdown ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Mythwelcome ) to have the Myth box shut itself down when not in use.

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Zaqq:

but will it wake up to record my scheduled programs?

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Zaqq:

AND wake the set top box too?

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sphery:

with 0.22 (when released), you'll be able to do the same even with a multi-backend distributed Myth system (i.e. it will wake remote backends when they're needed for recordings).

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sphery:

yeah, in -fixes, it works great for single-backend systems

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sphery:

in 0.22, it will be great for any number of backends

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sphery:

generally, to wake the STB, though, you'll have to script that

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sphery:

i.e. have a script that powers it off when not in use and powers it on when needed

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Zaqq:

ok

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sphery:

that requires discrete power codes, which are hard to come buy

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sphery:

buy

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sphery:

by

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Zaqq:

u mean IR codes?

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Zaqq:

its a humax el cheapo box

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sphery:

but, on the bright side, nearly /all/ set-top boxes take almost exactly the same amount of power when on or off--i.e. just having them plugged in, they consume the same 37W or whatever

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sphery:

(my Dish network receivers took 37W on or off)

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sphery:

so generally people just leave them on all the time

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Zaqq:

oh boy

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sphery:

and, yeah, discrete IR power codes--meaning a /separate/ code for power on and power off--versus the typical power toggle that you get by recording the signal from a remote

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sphery:

If you really wanted, though, you could work out some kind of power switch using i.e. X10 modules to cut the power from the wall, but IMHO, it's not worth the cost/time

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clever:

i can see how i would use the ON code in a channel changing script

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clever:

but i dont see where i can safely use an OFF code

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Zaqq:

has anyone tried making a circuit which will switch all connected power supply when invoked by a script via USB?

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Zaqq:

like speakers / subwoofers

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Zaqq:

tv / cable box

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sphery:

yeah, the big problem with the discrete on code is that in many cases (i.e. with DISH) it can take as much as 30 seconds after that code is sent for the system to allow additional IR commands (i.e. if it were off, it has to boot)

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clever:

sphery: that could be a pain, but with enough of a sleep in the script it can be handled

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sphery:

also, I would guess that most current STB's are closer to the 16W range than 37W... See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/234916#234916

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sphery:

clever: yeah... not ideal

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Zaqq:

sphery: one more doubt ... with all this cable box to capture card back to tv ... how much is the delay? like if i hit pause on the remote .. does it take like 1–2 secs for it to reflect on the tv?

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clever:

i have a spreadsheet which shows masterbe+stb+usb_enclosure

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clever:

though openoffice isnt installed on this drive

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sphery:

what I ended up doing was just setting a cron job that ran a script that sent a discrete on code at about 7:40pm every day--as I do most of my recordings in primetime (8:00–11:00pm)

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sphery:

that way, if for some reason the STB shut down, it wouldn't cause problems for more than 1 day

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sphery:

Zaqq: Myth records everything to a file--whether you're using LiveTV or doing a normal scheduled recording.

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clever:

ive got a webcam on mine to verify it went to the channel i wanted

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clever:

i plan to make it reblast when needed

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sphery:

so when you pause, you're simply pausing playback of the recording--it has nothing to do with the STB or the capture card.

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Zaqq:

oh .. so is not really LIVE ... whts the delay between live and what i see in mythtv?

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sphery:

and, once you've used Myth for a while, you'll find out that LiveTV (watching as something airs) is the biggest waste of time in the world, then you'll start scheduling recordings and watching things you already have recorded

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sphery:

i.e. I have >900 recordings on my system from which to choose--and I watch recordings and then delete them immediately after

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Zaqq:

:) thts the reason y i want to build a pvr

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clever:

sphery: the STB and everything else totaled 15.78 kWh over 219 hours, which i think is $4.95 a month

[15:43:35]

sphery:

so I /never/ waste time watching things on the network's schedule

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sphery:

clever: do you know about how much the STB pulled by itself?

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Zaqq:

how many channels do u record simultaneously?

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clever:

sphery: nope, but i can go check

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sphery:

I have 4 capture cards, so up to 4

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Zaqq:

wow

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Zaqq:

and 4 STBs?

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sphery:

I'm using over-the-air HDTV (so an antenna), so there's no encryption, so I don't need STB's./

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Zaqq:

u in the usa?

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sphery:

I dropped Dish when I went to HDTV

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sphery:

yeah, US

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Zaqq:

which capture card?

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sphery:

The pcHDTV HD-3000 , which I wouldn't currently recommend (even if it were the right type of capture card for you)

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sphery:

there are many others that are cheaper and work just as well.

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clever:

sphery: the new firmware in my STB officialy sucks

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clever:

it now flashes 'load' after being unplugged for a second

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sphery:

When I got them, they were only slightly more expensive than others and I liked the things the company did. Now, there's just too big a price difference (and, for example, rather than letting pcHDTV donate a portion of the sale to the EFF, you'd be better off saving $80/card and donating some or all of that $80 to the EFF directly)

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clever:

it never did that before

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sphery:

clever: nice

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sphery:

gotta love those proprietary firmwares that you can't do anythign about

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clever:

while they did somehow make the whole thing faster

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Zaqq:

sphery: can u watch 2 channels simultaneouly? like the old days of Picture-in-Picture Sony tvs?

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clever:

it takes longer to boot up when plugged in

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clever:

and it doesnt realy do anything special

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sphery:

Zaqq: myth has support for Picture-in-Picture

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clever:

nothing new

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sphery:

the next version of myth has support for Picture-by-Picture (i.e. good for 2 4:3 shows side-by-side on a widescreen TV)

[15:48:55]

Zaqq:

i know i am asking too many questions ... but which myth distro is the more feature packed? and which one do u use?

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sphery:

however, I will /never/ use either--when I watch a show, I actually watch it and pay attention to it

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Zaqq:

more=most

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Zaqq:

i like debian for its speed

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clever:

sphery: 18 watts, on and off

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Zaqq:

any better distro? i've heard of mythbuntu .. knoppmyth i've tried

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Zaqq:

but i tried it like a year ago

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sphery:

what I do, instead, is watch the show, skipping commercials (so, in a 1-hr recording, it will have at /most/ 42 minutes of content), so that saves me 18min/hr. I can choose to watch it at faster-than-realtime. At 1.25x timestretch, that 42min plays back in 33 1/2mins and you really can't tell that it's playing faster than normal (it even pitch-corrects the audio, so it doesn't sound like chipmunks) unless they play a song you ...

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sphery:

... know or you see full-body shots of people walking or some physics-related event (ball being thrown). At 1.5x, you can play back 42mins in 28mins, and at 1.75x, you can play back 42mins in 24mins. However, at 1.5x you /really/ have to focus on the show and at 1.75x, you cannot have /any/ distractions.

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sphery:

if you know debian, I suggest MythBuntu

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sphery:

http://www.mythbuntu.org/

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sphery:

It's simply Ubuntu (which is debian-based) already configured for Myth.

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sphery:

and all the normal Ubuntu repos work fine on it, so if you want to install other things, you can do so very easily.

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clever:

my dad can notice when i turn it up to just 1.1x

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clever:

the only thing i can notice is that they are talking faster

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sphery:

yeah, if you're watching for it, you can tell

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sphery:

but in general, it's not really noticeable

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clever:

but if it was on from the start of the file, and maybe youve never seen that show normaly

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clever:

you may get tricked into thinking they allways talk that fast

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sphery:

right, exactly

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clever:

i should edit a playback profile and do that:P

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sphery:

my parents were visiting and we watched several shows at 1.25x and they had no idea

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sphery:

I eventually told them and actually demonstrated the changes

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sphery:

they were impressed--especially that they didn't notice.

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clever:

my dad just complains that its only tv and i can watch it later, and dont have to record it

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Zaqq:

which distro do u guys use?

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akv:

I have a DVB channel that used to work and status always been "LAMC", now it's "La" not "LAMc" like normal when a channel can't be decompiled...anyone know what this means?

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: There's not just one, everyone has their own preference

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Zaqq:

i ask because i wanted to make my little machine my wifi-draft n access point too

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Zaqq:

and it's a atheros chipset pci card .. Dlink branded

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: That really doesn't have anything to do with distro, though, it's either linux supported or it isn't

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clever:

some distro's may have the drivers missing by default

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clever:

the wifi driver for my pcmcia card is missing from recent ubuntu kernels

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iamlindoro:

akv: no M means not PMT found, which generally means the stream you're looking for isn't there

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iamlindoro:

akv: Your backend logs will be far more informative

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iamlindoro:

clever: Are you trying to sabotage actual troubleshooting again? If not, could you please go bother some other channel?

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akv:

iamlindoro: okay

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sphery:

akv: which means now is a great time to a) backup DB ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ) and b) rescan channels :)

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iamlindoro:

akv: yes, sphery's advice is good, that's what I'd try first

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akv:

okay, i'll try that, thanks :)

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Zaqq:

is wifi streaming possible across rooms ... like if i wanted to watch something on my laptop (which has the slower wifi-g though)

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clever:

i could stream some stuff over B

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clever:

G has no trouble with SDTV

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: Wifi streaming of SD content is possible, though we generally advise people to avoid wifi whenever possible

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sphery:

given adequate signal quality, that is

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Zaqq:

i had a hard time getting my signal across 6 brick walls between my living room and my bedroom

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sphery:

generally, you can make a works-great wifi Myth setup have prebuffering pauses just by closing a door or whatever...

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sphery:

exactly--which is why you're better off with wires

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iamlindoro:

Zaqq: It's much more common to have big problems with wifi and myth than to have it "just work"

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iamlindoro:

In fact, having it "just work" is pretty rare

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Zaqq:

thts why i am going for a wifi-n network .. which vendors claim to have more range

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iamlindoro:

vendors claim lots of things

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Zaqq:

lol true

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iamlindoro:

n *is* better, but signal issues are still relevant

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iamlindoro:

0% of a 54 Mbit signal is just as fast as 0% of a 300 Mbit signal

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Zaqq:

but i have seen some demos where a guy was streaming HD content on his sony laptop upto his garrage

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GreyFoxx:

There are no guarantees

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GreyFoxx:

If you live in the woods far from all other signals you can get amazing performance

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clever:

i loose my G signal just a couple feet from the garage door

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GreyFoxx:

live in the city next to 30 other AP's, someones 2.4Ghz nanny cam, and 2.4Ghz cordless phones

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sphery:

yeah, especially if the spectrum is crowded or you have lots of walls or you have non-perpendicular angles

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GreyFoxx:

and say bye bye to speed

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superdump:

does anyone use the mythbrowser plugin? if so, how does one run it from within the main mythtv UI and how does one type in an url to navigate to within mythbrowser? it loads up the mythtv site but i can't figure out how to navigate to some other url

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GreyFoxx:

802.11a is basically G + a different frequency range so can get better performance in many areas

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GreyFoxx:

less interference

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Zaqq:

its hard getting a direct line of sight .. although it's possible ... but it's too much trouble keeping everything aligned all the time

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clever:

my AP is in the basement atm, so i'll only get a good signal within the house

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GreyFoxx:

I have 2 AP's with the same SSID

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GreyFoxx:

one in the basement one in the top floor

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superdump:

i'm using trunk by the way

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GreyFoxx:

my laptop basically floats between them depending on what I'm closer too

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clever:

ive seen that done at hotels before

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GreyFoxx:

yup

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Zaqq:

ok one important question ... to play 1080p content will an ATI 740g chipset motherboard suffice? (with 2.4ghz dual core)

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Zaqq:

or do i need to go nvidia?

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meshe:

GreyFoxx: i need to add a second wifi router to my network, is that all you need to do? set up the second router with the same SSID? should I turn off dhcp on one of them?

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sphery:

I looked into that whole thing once...

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GreyFoxx:

meshe: yeah, turn off DHCP on one, give them the same SSID/WPA/WEP info

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clever:

meshe: id turn the dhcp off, and setup its private ip to be uniqe and on the same subnet

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GreyFoxx:

and make sure they are both wired into the same switch

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sphery:

found out there are /tons/ of considerations with each setup

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clever:

and make the wifi config identical

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meshe:

cool, that sounds pretty easy

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clever:

though i think the channel should be different

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meshe:

i should be able to make the second route an N even though the main one is a G

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clever:

the packets are aimed at a certain AP, by mac, so if the other router hears things, it wont try and be helpfull

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GreyFoxx:

In my case everything is identical, one you start changing stuff who knows :)

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clever:

so sharing a channel between them wont help

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GreyFoxx:

Yes you will need seperate channels

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meshe:

worth a shot, worse comes to worse, i have to upgrade the other AP

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sphery:

Zaqq: generally, nvidia is easier to set up, but the video card has little to do with how much video you can decode/display (as long as the video drivers support Xv) unless you're talking about proprietary/you-get-what-they-give-you, I mean, hardware decoding with VDPAU

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sphery:

which isn't supported on the released version of Myth

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Zaqq:

Xv is?

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sphery:

Zaqq: IMHO, software decode (using the CPU) is the way to go

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sphery:

Xv = X Video extension

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sphery:

basically, without it, you won't be able to do scaled video or fullscreen video on most systems (because of bandwidth limitations)

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sphery:

most drivers support it, but getting it with the newest ATI video cards is more challenging (as they've changed the hardware design which requires significant changes to the drivers) unless you can use the ATI proprietary drivers (catalyst/fglrx)

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Zaqq:

sphery: i think i would need to go for nvidia 7050 motherboard. but purevideo hd is only supported on 8000x chipsets right?

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sphery:

purevideo doesn't exist in Linux

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Zaqq:

oh

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sphery:

there's VDPAU for Linux

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sphery:

and it's not supported by the released version of Myth

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Zaqq:

ok.. so have to have a powerful cpu for all the decoding

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wagnerrp:

meshe: at least with DDWRT, you can turn them into access points

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sphery:

VDPAU = Video Decode and Presentation API for Unix

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clever:

wagnerrp: ive got a 'wireless router' acting as a 'wireless access point'

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sphery:

but for some reason, it seems to only work on Linux, which is not Unix, but Unix-like ;)

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wagnerrp:

i suppose with other routers/firmwares, you could at least turn all the management stuff off and plug it in through the switch

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clever:

doesnt really take much, just turn off dhcp and ignore the gateway features

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wagnerrp:

clever: ive got three

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clever:

original firmware

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wagnerrp:

but its a special mode, lets you plug it in through the WAN port, rather than the switch

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clever:

ah

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clever:

i find that the wireless 'port' acts like a 5th port on the internal switch

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clever:

and anything can talk between the 4 lan ports and the wireless 'port'

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wagnerrp:

WAN being 'wide area network', not 'wireless netowkr'

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GreyFoxx:

most of those things are just 1 single interface with vlans. and the 4 ports + wireless are a member of the same vlan

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clever:

GreyFoxx: yeah thats one way to explain it:)

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clever:

the 'WAN' interface is usualy only usable thru the NAT features, and is for a seperate subnet

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wagnerrp:

more movies in the mail

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** wagnerrp watches as 200GB of space magically disappear **

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clever:

fun fun

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iamlindoro:

if clever lost that much, he'd have -40GB

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clever:

i have ~168gig of shows on auto-expire

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iamlindoro:

meow meow meow

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clever:

so actualy, your dead on for once:P

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iamlindoro:

I'm always dead on that you *are* an idiot, just not always dead on on the specifics of *how* you are an idiot

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iamlindoro:

And in this wild, crazy, mixed-up world, that's enough for me

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clever:

ok, how much disk space do i actualy have free? :P

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iamlindoro:

I said you were an idiot, I didn't say I was omniscient

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wagnerrp:

2TB drive for $230.... i think ill hold off until theyre under $200

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wagnerrp:

and then just dump all these rips onto there

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wagnerrp:

i dont want to re-rip them, but since im not transcoding, an hour per disk isnt going to piss me off too much

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iamlindoro:

The 1.5 TBs are getting prety close to the $/GB as the 1TBs

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iamlindoro:

er pretty

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wagnerrp:

your *want* me to buy seagate? you?

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iamlindoro:

Should be able to get 2 x 1.5TB for $240 or so

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iamlindoro:

naw, WD

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wagnerrp:

oh, i didnt think anyone else was currently making 1.5s

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iamlindoro:

yeah, WD makes 1.5 TB WD Greens

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iamlindoro:

Have a little stack on the desk

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wagnerrp:

well 1.5 isnt enough of a bump for the next array

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wagnerrp:

ive got to have big enough disks that i could possibly migrate the data on the remaining ports on this controller card

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iamlindoro:

I'm still trying to decide exactly how/when I want to swap the 1TBs for 1.5s

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meshe:

before i moved i had a dhcp server running on my gateway and my wireless router had dhcp turned off and it was plugged into the uplink port on my switch using one of it's switch ports

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meshe:

it basically acted as a wireless switch instead of a router

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meshe:

i decommissioned the gateway server and now my wireless router is the firewall/gateway

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wagnerrp:

i just didnt want to learn IPTables, so i was stuck with a full machine

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meshe:

i used a full machine and used iptables

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meshe:

i decided that I didn't need to waste the power on a 1U rackmount server in the new place and that a wrt54g would be good enough for a gateway

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wagnerrp:

well im sure it depends on how much bandwidth you have

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meshe:

well, even the linksis is a 100mb switch, so as long as your internet connection is <= 100mb you should be fine

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wagnerrp:

id like to see if one of these little 200MHz chips with embedded networking hardware could handle a FiOS line with some manual IPTables filtering rules

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wagnerrp:

ive got a pretty complex ruleset on mine

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meshe:

yeah, that could get pretty intense

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wagnerrp:

but my 500MHz geode hits 5–10% when i peak out my 5mbps connection

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meshe:

the biggest issue i've seen is memory issues with NAT keeping track of all of it's connections

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meshe:

that was back with my p90 gateway that had 32MB ram though

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wagnerrp:

well thats only because those things have ~16MB of memory

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wagnerrp:

you have a decent amount of memory for a desktop built in the last 10 years, and that becomes trivial

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meshe:

true

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meshe:

an atom board would probably make for a good low power firewall box

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wagnerrp:

if they can get the NB power consumption down

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wagnerrp:

it would be nice not to worry about a fan

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wagnerrp:

i mean my current box doesnt even have a heatsink

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meshe:

the proc runs about 1W, what does the northbridge consume?

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wagnerrp:

which is ironic, because my first gigabit switch had a fan

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wagnerrp:

the NB uses like 8–14W

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meshe:

ouch

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meshe:

though it's still probaby a hell of a lot lower than the P3 800 rackmount i was running

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RDV_Linux:

Now that Dollhouse has been renewed has there been any word on the 13th episode that was never aired? Will it be aired or turned into episode one of season two?

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Neither

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iamlindoro:

They announced before the season ended that it would be on the DVD only

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iamlindoro:

It won't air

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RDV_Linux:

Disappointing now that there will be a season two. Thanks for the response.

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

I intend to buy the Blu-ray disks of the season, personally, so no skin off my back

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wagnerrp:

so it must be an otherwise independent episode

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iamlindoro:

Yes, apparently it takes place in the future

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RDV_Linux:

I found this quote on a wiki "As of April 2009, FOX has no plans to pay for or air the episode,[40] but it will air as part of the first season when broadcast in international markets, and be released on DVD". Unfortunately I do not think Canada will be considered an international market.

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wagnerrp:

in the year.... 2000...

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iamlindoro:

RDV_Linux: Probably not, given it got the first-run episodes

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iamlindoro:

Plus, it's got Felicia Day, who is a fairly cute-ish redhead

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wagnerrp:

international usually means 'overseas'

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Dagmar:

What's Felicia Day going to be on?

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iamlindoro:

The unaired episode of Dollhouse

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Dagmar:

Damn I'll have to buy the DVD then

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iamlindoro:

Worth supporting the show by buying it regardless

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Dagmar:

Not really

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iamlindoro:

Worth it to me

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meshe:

dvd sales have put a show back on the air

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Dagmar:

I don't feel any need to own the Dollhouse DVD, but if I have to get the thing to see that ep I'll do it

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wagnerrp:

supporting the show is based off tv ratings

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Not when the renewal of that show came because they anticipate strong DVD sales to grow the audience

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter off much the first season dvd sells, if the second season doesnt get the ratings they promised their advertisers

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: That's the exact opposite of what the Fox president has gone on record as saying

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wagnerrp:

oh?

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iamlindoro:

He has said that they renewed it because of past experience with Whedon showing that low ratings initially can grow, the anticipated heavy DVD sales, DVR viewing, etc., and that all of those factors *together* influenced them to renew the show

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Dagmar:

Yeah but hes a Fox exec, which means he's been dropped on his head as a child, a few times as a teen, and probably recently as awll.

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Dagmar:

Joss Wheedon's fans buy a lot of DVDs

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iamlindoro:

But one of the factors they were counting on was for the DVD sales to be Firefly-like

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iamlindoro:

He's a new fox exec who has made wise decisions on programming elsewhere in the past

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nambo:

anyone in here, that's awake, using a pchdtv 5500 with myth? having some issues getting myth to recognize it

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wagnerrp:

nambo: does your linux system recognize it?

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nambo:

yes

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wagnerrp:

and youre trying to add it as a DVB tuner?

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nambo:

it's there, and is being querried by myth

[17:33:23]

sphery:

and you can record from it using, i.e. azap and cat?

[17:33:37]

nambo:

i'm trying to use the DVB drivers, but i get nothing when i use it

[17:33:49]

nambo:

it has a section for connecting to something

[17:33:55]

nambo:

switch, and 2 other things

[17:34:01]

nambo:

i just got basic digital cable

[17:34:16]

iamlindoro:

someone is messing with DiSeqC settings

[17:34:18]

nambo:

i installed the v4l-dvb drivers, still nothing

[17:34:36]

nambo:

iamlindoro: yeah... that's it

[17:34:38]

iamlindoro:

You know, Di(gital)S(attelite)Eq(uipment)C(ontrol)

[17:34:44]

sphery:

nambo: test it with something like: http://turtlespond.net/scripts/dvb-t.html

[17:34:50]

iamlindoro:

three chances at guessing whether that pertains to cable

[17:34:54]

iamlindoro:

and the first two don't count

[17:34:55]

nambo:

figured that out, but it wasn't working

[17:35:02]

nambo:

so it didn't hurt to mess with it

[17:35:11]

iamlindoro:

It certainly *does* hurt to mess with it

[17:35:23]

sphery:

once you've played with things like that, you may be better off doing the capture card portion of: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034

[17:35:26]

iamlindoro:

because now you potentially have fouled-up setup that needs to be un-fouled

[17:35:44]

sphery:

and, really, depending on what you've done so far, you may want to just do both the video sources and the capture cards portion of it

[17:35:54]

sphery:

where http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034 is the way to unfoul :)

[17:35:54]

nambo:

yeah... i deleted that junk

[17:36:02]

nambo:

the other tuner is working fine

[17:36:03]

sphery:

do it as described in that post

[17:36:08]

sphery:

any other approach is likely to make a mess

[17:36:15]

sphery:

i.e. leave garbage that breaks things

[17:36:52]

nambo:

i did all this in that post

[17:36:59]

nambo:

redid the tuners last night

[17:37:02]

nambo:

still no signal

[17:37:13]

nambo:

did an EIT scan, nothing

[17:37:14]

sphery:

then get things working outside of myth: http://turtlespond.net/scripts/dvb-t.html

[17:37:36]

sphery:

(and many other refrerences on the net--just know that you may need azap instead of tzap, depending on distro)

[17:37:50]

nambo:

mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

Hmmmm, Ronald D. Moore of BSG fame has a new series coming

[17:38:02]

Dagmar:

...and make notes of what you did so you can come back to them later if you decide you need to wipe and reinstall.

[17:38:31]

nambo:

i'm thinking maybe if i pull the analog card, and just leave the digital card, install the new mythbuntu

[17:38:37]

nambo:

maybe that'll do the trick

[17:38:45]

wagnerrp:

you know Conan is freakishly tall when he stands next to Kareem Abdul Jabar and doesnt look like a dwarf

[17:38:51]

nambo:

is it typically a pain in the ass to set this up? heh

[17:39:00]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yeah, he's like 6'4" or something

[17:39:30]

sphery:

nambo: the first time you do it, perhaps. Once you've done it once, it's a 30-second process to redo it (assuming you remember what you learned the first time).

[17:39:47]

nambo:

the mythbuntu page says it should work great "out of the box"

[17:40:01]

sphery:

(OK, might be longer than 30s if you factor in the time required for the channel scan to complete, but since that's the computer working without me, I don't count it :)

[17:40:05]

nambo:

well... i didn't install the new Jaunty install fress, i upgraded from Intrepid

[17:40:14]

nambo:

fresh*

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iamlindoro:

The Hd-5500 has worked out of the box since Dapper at least

[17:40:41]

nambo:

does it have issues with having another tuner in the box?

[17:40:54]

nambo:

i have a analog tuner in this computer as well

[17:41:04]

nambo:

will that complicate the install?

[17:41:05]

iamlindoro:

no, it doesn't

[17:41:40]

nambo:

just seems weird i install the v4l drivers for it, and it doesn't see those drivers at all

[17:41:49]

nambo:

just the analog-v4l drivers

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wagnerrp:

the only problem is you might have issues with the two analog cards flipping orders

[17:42:27]

nambo:

yeah... but i made another SD group for that

[17:42:41]

Dagmar:

Actually you shouldn't with the newer kernels.

[17:42:46]

nambo:

i'm going to go play with it a bit, thanks for your help guys

[17:42:53]

Dagmar:

There's options to enumerate the PCI bus more strictly now

[17:42:56]

wagnerrp:

hah... that 'in the year 2000' comment was oddly appropriate

[17:43:01]

nambo:

linuxtv-dvb-apps looks like a good direction

[17:43:05]

wagnerrp:

seems Conan did that wednesday night

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sphery:

Though I have to admit to being completely confused by, "before the watershed," isn't http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-dev/2009-June/065284.html just a matter of putting the commands to send the PIN in the channel-change script?

[17:56:03]

iamlindoro:

sphery: AIUI that's the cutover point in the UK between "family" and "adult" programming

[17:56:16]

sphery:

oh...

[17:57:31]

sphery:

even if he ends up doing some kind of screen recognition thing to determine whether to send a PIN, I think it should be done in the channel-change script (i.e. outside of Myth).

[17:58:18]

sphery:

after all, since Myth isn't changing the channel, why should Myth be expected to know when to send the pin

[17:59:03]

sphery:

(and, really, since Myth doesn't know any IR sending stuff, now...)

[18:00:29]

iamlindoro:

I solve this problem by not having children

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iamlindoro:

then I can create dummy tuners with hardcore pornography files on every channel

[18:00:49]

sphery:

I solve it by not having those channels

[18:01:01]

iamlindoro:

Well where would the fun in *that* be?

[18:01:17]

sphery:

it's in the not receiving a cable bill every month :)

[18:01:34]

iamlindoro:

worth it

[18:01:37]

GreyFoxx:

I solve it by teaching my daughter not to be ashamed of the human body and that porn is not a bad thing, just not appropriate with little kids to be viewing

[18:02:01]

GreyFoxx:

If she has questions she is free to ask me and I will answer all of them honestly

[18:02:11]

iamlindoro:

HIPPIE!

[18:02:12]

iamlindoro:

;)

[18:02:19]

iamlindoro:

No, really, I think that's a very sensible approach

[18:02:23]

Dagmar:

iamlindoro: Shut up man

[18:02:34]

iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Excuse me?

[18:02:40]

Dagmar:

Not to sound like a fiend but I love girls that were raised like that

[18:03:03]

iamlindoro:

For someone who is always railing at people about reading, you appear not to be doing much of your own

[18:03:08]

GreyFoxx:

My daughter knows she can ask me pretty much anything and I will give a real (non baby coated) answer

[18:03:42]

Dagmar:

Women shouldn't be ashamed of being naked.

[18:03:43]

Dagmar:

:)

[18:03:58]

GreyFoxx:

I'd rather she gets real answers from me rather than what her other little kid friends have "figured out" :)

[18:04:12]

Dagmar:

GreyFoxx: Things like "the spaceman game" yeah

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GreyFoxx:

In my house you wouldn't last long if you were ashamed of showing some skin :)

[18:06:23]

joako:

I am trying to use a PVR500 card, but all I get on my screen is gibberish: http://www.bouncethem.com/8081

[18:06:35]

sphery:

joako: ATI video card (not capture card)?

[18:06:44]

GreyFoxx:

wow that does look nasty

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joako:

sphery: Yes

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sphery:

I was thinking there was a bug in one of the ATI drivers that caused that.

[18:08:03]

GreyFoxx:

Try taking a a sample capture to another machine and play it

[18:08:05]

sphery:

might want to try a) playing back a recording from the PVR-500 on some other system (with other video card) and b) if it plays fine elsewhere, start playing the driver-roulette game

[18:08:07]

GreyFoxx:

see if it looks different

[18:08:23]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Bob

[18:08:29]

iamlindoro:

Bob Deint + ATI, that is

[18:08:37]

iamlindoro:

but that looks like the Bob bug plus another combined

[18:08:42]

EvilBob:

Yeah I am not guilty

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sphery:

joako: and, if it is bob, change your playback profile group to Slim

[18:09:04]

sphery:

not guilty--just evil :)

[18:09:10]

GreyFoxx:

That actually looks like 2 problems to me

[18:09:13]

EvilBob:

that's right

[18:09:25]

GreyFoxx:

1 the bob ati problem, the other being the capture is off

[18:09:34]

sphery:

yeah, the frames on top of each other is the bob one

[18:09:48]

** Pio writing a GUI alternative to nuvexport : http://pio.longstair.com/misc/mythrip.jpg **

[18:10:02]

sphery:

and the capture being off may be because the recording profile isn't using 720x480 (NTSC) or 720x576 (PAL)

[18:10:16]

GreyFoxx:

yeah

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sphery:

though I could see the ATI driver having problems with scaling, too

[18:11:07]

sphery:

I'm still putting ATI driver at the top of my guess-list

[18:11:09]

iamlindoro:

Pio: Looks nice! I don't do any transcoding myself, but if you manage the same features/commercial cutting/etc. I'm sure people will appreciate it

[18:11:35]

GreyFoxx:

Pio: cool!

[18:11:56]

Pio:

its not going to be as powerful with the encoding options as nuvexport, at first at least

[18:12:00]

Pio:

im only doing mencoder for now

[18:12:13]

sphery:

I would appreciate someone's writing better support for the transcoding, itself--i.e. that fixes issues with real-world (broken) streams

[18:12:20]

Pio:

but it does pull in the cutlist

[18:12:23]

sphery:

but that's a big job

[18:12:31]

** iamlindoro would be much happier when someone gets around to moving transcode into the backend **

[18:12:36]

Pio:

yeah tbh i've barely used myth's built in transcoding

[18:12:38]

GreyFoxx:

sphery: and dealing with subtitle streams being cut, or the multiple audio channels being cut

[18:12:44]

Pio:

i want avis

[18:13:12]

sphery:

GreyFoxx: yeah

[18:13:25]

Pio:

its multi-threaded too :)

[18:13:47]

sphery:

Pio: are you using the Python bindings? (or are you even using python?)

[18:13:50]

Pio:

yes i am

[18:13:54]

Pio:

and yes i am

[18:13:54]

Pio:

heh

[18:14:11]

Pio:

but i've modified them already

[18:14:14]

sphery:

Pio: you should be able to get all the DB and backend information directly through the bindings, then

[18:14:17]

Pio:

i do

[18:14:19]

Pio:

its great

[18:14:20]

GreyFoxx:

I've not done more than 5 lines in python... maybe one day I'll look at it

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Pio:

yeah python's fun

[18:15:10]

sphery:

and, ideally, you'll never hit the DB directly (i.e. can get the list of recordings and recording info from the backend through the bindings).

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Pio:

the python bindings determine the master server host/port via the database

[18:15:41]

sphery:

just a recommendation as we have tons of pre-bindings stuff that just goes direct to the DB for stuff and is becoming a maintenance nightmare

[18:15:41]

Pio:

they search for mysql.txt files in the various places they can live, then connect to the db and query the master server info

[18:16:02]

Pio:

yeah i've stuck to the bindings as much as possible

[18:16:09]

sphery:

though I'll admit there are a few things you may not be able to get from the backend

[18:16:19]

Pio:

maybe once i have something im ready to distribute i'll talk to the upstream maintainers about the various changes i made

[18:16:34]

sphery:

but if something's available from the backend (even if not through the bindings), fixing the bindings to allow accessing it would be much appreciated

[18:16:40]

Pio:

all i use is QUERY_RECORDINGS anyway

[18:17:08]

sphery:

cool... I don't know the current state of the python bindings, but I know the perl ones are pretty full-featured

[18:17:27]

iamlindoro:

Wonder if Chase is still planning on adding some transcode fuctionality to the backend

[18:17:33]

Pio:

yeah i havent seen the perl ones so i have no basis for comparison.. the python ones are pretty simple though, i'd imagine they are much less mature

[18:17:35]

sphery:

and, yeah, patches to the python bindings would be great... http://svn.mythtv.org/

[18:17:46]

iamlindoro:

or if he's given up and decided to podge together "whatever works" for his iPhone app

[18:18:11]

sphery:

exactly... perl was first, then some python ones were started and they're slowly catching up

[18:18:41]

Pio:

do any other projects use them?

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sphery:

only stuff I know of is some of the MythVideo grabber scripts

[18:19:07]

sphery:

imdbpy or something

[18:19:14]

sphery:

I think that's where the bindings actually started

[18:19:54]

Pio:

interesting

[18:19:57]

sphery:

the main problem is that people start, then find there need to be changes to the bindings, then give up and hit the DB directly/duplicate the myth code that does whatever

[18:20:24]

Pio:

yeah i havent written any sql heh

[18:20:27]

sphery:

we need someone to make a good comprehensive program that uses them and brings them up to speed

[18:20:33]

Pio:

i was really glad to see that there were bindings at all

[18:20:33]

sphery:

then others will follow

[18:20:43]

Pio:

i came in here a couple weeks ago and someone told me about them

[18:20:49]

sphery:

cool

[18:21:21]

Pio:

my program only needs a very simple thing though, a list of recordings.. i use mythtranscode to actually get my hands on the video streams (same as nuvexport)

[18:21:47]

sphery:

cool

[18:22:06]

sphery:

Well, Mother Nature says it's time for my run (it finally stopped raining)... Good luck with the app.

[18:22:32]

Pio:

so right now ive pretty much got it doing everything it needs with the python bindings.. though i could probably fold some of the functionality i've written back in to the bindings, like parsing the recordings flags field, and pushing the output from QUERY_RECORDINGs in to the binding's "program" object

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snarkster:

can anyone explain to me how to configure the screen resolution in txt mode

[18:36:53]

wagnerrp:

txt mode?

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snarkster:

yah this mythbox has been offline for about 2 months just put it back on line and no video

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wagnerrp:

do you mean mythtv resolution? or X resolution?

[18:38:04]

snarkster:

it boots, but i get a black screen, switched to vt1 and just a white bar on the right. reboot in recovery mode and now I get a green screen mess which is rolling

[18:38:34]

snarkster:

i can see the mythbar as its booting so I know the graphics are working

[18:38:53]

snarkster:

same tv as I had it on before to

[18:39:07]

wagnerrp:

you can force the resolution and placement of mythfrontend using the '--geometry' flag

[18:39:26]

snarkster:

hmm yah cant see anyhting to do that

[18:39:41]

wagnerrp:

i just told you how to do that

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snarkster:

i see, well maybe i didnt make myself clear.. I cant read anything on the screen. its just a rolling mess.

[18:40:23]

wagnerrp:

its '--geometry WxH' or '--geometry WxH+X+Y'

[18:40:31]

wagnerrp:

so run it remotely over ssh

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snarkster:

that would be great cept im on a new network and the box wasnt configured for this network.. thats what I was going to do when this graphics issue came up outta no where

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wagnerrp:

youre not using dhcp?

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snarkster:

wireless

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tank-man:

so what changed to make this problem arise?

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tank-man:

network change made your graphics not work?

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snarkster:

nothing but physical location of the tv and the mythbox

[18:42:26]

wagnerrp:

physical location makes no difference

[18:42:37]

wagnerrp:

unless you change to a different output device, or change hardware

[18:42:39]

snarkster:

oh and of course the network.. we moved into a new house

[18:43:01]

wagnerrp:

change in network would just mean network doesnt work, would not affect graphical output

[18:43:26]

snarkster:

no i changfed nothing on the box or the tv.. i can get inot the bios and it shows up perfectly. I can see the boot menu to get into recovery, but after that it all to mess

[18:43:56]

snarkster:

really strange

[18:46:44]

snarkster:

so have i tap out the limit of you guys knowledge?

[18:47:02]

wagnerrp:

were here for help with mythtv

[18:47:08]

snarkster:

googleing console configureation or garbled command line turned up nothing for me

[18:47:09]

wagnerrp:

it looks like you need help fixing your distro

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kormoc:

that's cause you didn't google for linux console vga resolution

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snarkster:

could be but like i said it does boot i just cant see anyhting

[18:47:44]

snarkster:

oh maybe thats it

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kormoc:

but that said, as wagnerrp pointed out, this is a mythtv help channel, this isn't a myth issue, and you might be better served in #yourdistro

[18:48:53]

tank-man:

try alt+ctrl+f6, that might give you a login shell

[18:49:56]

kormoc:

I would hope he'd understand the difference between text mode and a console in the gui...

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snarkster:

i just resumed from the recovery screen and wow i got a mouse on the screen

[18:50:19]

snarkster:

guess I need to look at my grub eh?

[18:50:26]

Dagmar:

Among other things.

[18:50:26]

wagnerrp:

we have no idea what this 'recovery mode' means

[18:50:52]

wagnerrp:

recovery mode for me means everything disabled in the kernel, no modules, and 'init=/bin/bb'

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snarkster:

press esc at the grub screen to get into a recovery menu

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Dagmar:

wtf is bb

[18:51:20]

kormoc:

pressing escape at my grub screen gives me a text prompt that waits forever

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kormoc:

Dagmar, busybox

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Dagmar:

Ah

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wagnerrp:

busybox, minimal, static linked shell

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snarkster:

i appreciate the lack of flames in here.. thank you very much

[18:51:37]

Dagmar:

Man why do people gotta go renamin things

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Dagmar:

:)

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Dagmar:

pressing escape on my grub screen would require using grub

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wagnerrp:

whats the difference between AC3 and EAC3?

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kormoc:

the E?

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Dagmar:

http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=A52

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Dagmar:

IT R ENHANCIFIED

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kormoc:

aka Dolby Digital Plus

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wagnerrp:

so its higher bitrate, and more channels, than AC3, but largely the same

[18:54:52]

Dagmar:

I've *no* idea why it was decided it needed to be enhanced.

[18:55:09]

wagnerrp:

im just wondering why a disk would have a 2-channel 192kbps AC3 track, and a 2-channel 192kbps EAC3 track

[18:55:24]

Dagmar:

...other than perhaps to get a fresh start on using patents to restrict access to purchase media.

[18:55:41]

snarkster:

is there a way to get mouse control using arrow keys?

[18:55:41]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: See above line.

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snarkster:

in xfce?

[18:55:51]

Dagmar:

snarkster: Not one worth bothering with.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Commonly I see AC-3 as the commentary tracks on HD-DVD, with E-AC-3 being primary audio in one or more languages

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snarkster:

excellant

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Dagmar:

It's "doable" but it'll be hours of digging through docs to find where in Xorg it's hiding now

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tank-man:

probably easier for you to just plug in a usb mouse

[19:03:24]

Dagmar:

WAY easier

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Dagmar:

Heck I can recommend a keyboard with a builtin pointer stick thing

[19:04:25]

tank-man:

he probably needs it for temporary purposes to fix his graphics issues

[19:05:05]

snarkster:

well for somereason graphics are now fine.. need it to configure network manager

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snarkster:

but i can get a mouse to it no problem

[19:05:28]

tank-man:

what was the problem with the graphics?

[19:05:37]

Dagmar:

Meh you need a DHCP server

[19:05:48]

Dagmar:

Manual network configuration is so last century

[19:09:55]

wagnerrp:

so do i spend an extra 2GB on a 'making of' track ill probably never watch?

[19:10:59]

kormoc:

no

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snarkster:

tank-man: I have no idea..

[19:12:17]

Dagmar:

What counry is so forward-thinking as to be using GB for currency now?

[19:12:34]

snarkster:

I just rebooted it and bang graphics are working great

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wagnerrp:

wagneropia

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nambo:

ok, i got the driver loaded, but now i can't load any channels

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nambo:

keeps saying no signal

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nambo:

i have Time Warner HD, anybody know the proper QAM settings in mythtv?

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kormoc:

nambo, if they're encrypted, you won't get them anyway

[19:54:16]

iamlindoro:

nambo: You're not doing something like trying to scan after the cable box, are you?

[19:54:25]

iamlindoro:

ie, you *are* plugged straight into the wall, right?

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Bas:

Evening

[19:57:51]

Bas:

I have been having an issue with mythtv since installing it...

[19:58:23]

Bas:

I am running Gentoo and start mythbackend via the rc script at book /etc/init.d/mythbackend

[19:58:47]

Dagmar:

Wake someone when you get to the actual problem

[19:58:54]

Bas:

mythfrontend starts in xinitrc so it is on top of vanilla X

[19:59:10]

Bas:

what do you mean by wake people?

[19:59:24]

iamlindoro:

I think he's hoping you will get to the point

[19:59:32]

Dagmar:

Exactly.

[19:59:36]

Bas:

i select Watch TV but it just says no lock

[19:59:47]

Dagmar:

If you knew what the problem was for sure, you would ahve fixed it.

[19:59:53]

Dagmar:

That's better.

[19:59:58]

Bas:

to fix i /etc/init.d/mythbackend stop and then start again then its fine

[20:00:04]

wagnerrp:

no lock means you cant lock onto the digital signal

[20:00:14]

Bas:

yeh i know

[20:00:14]

wagnerrp:

the channel you want to tune to does not exist, or is too low

[20:00:18]

Dagmar:

You apparently skipped a step, i.e., did you configure the tuner card and scan for channels?

[20:00:22]

Bas:

but i dont see why it dont get a lock on first boot

[20:00:37]

Bas:

i have even sleeped the processes for a while to give backend time to start but no luck

[20:00:43]

Bas:

oh tuner works

[20:00:53]

iamlindoro:

Bas: Sounds like your backend is getting started before a requisite module or service is loaded

[20:00:58]

Dagmar:

I have news for you, if hte backend weren't running, it would just _say that_

[20:01:04]

Bas:

i can watch my tuned channels and record fine, only each time the box starts, i have to stop backend and start it again

[20:01:26]

Dagmar:

The tuner card isn't working right, or you've not told it to look for channels that exist, or you'd get a signal lock.

[20:01:36]

Dagmar:

Ah...

[20:01:58]

Dagmar:

Bas: Edit rc.mythbackend, and somewhere near the top, just try adding two lines...

[20:02:09]

Dagmar:

echo "Sleeping for 15s to let the tuner card initialize"

[20:02:10]

Dagmar:

and then

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Dagmar:

sleep 15

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Dagmar:

That'll buy you another 15 seconds which will probably give udev time to properly load the modules and init the tuner

[20:02:56]

Bas:

in the init.d/mythbackend file?

[20:03:04]

Dagmar:

Yep

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Bas:

i have just added it before the depend() { line

[20:03:39]

Dagmar:

If the issue is like you say, if that simply restarting the backend once after boot fixes things, then it's probablly starting before udev's had a chance to scan the PCI bus and properly initialize the card

[20:04:05]

Bas:

restarting the box...

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kormoc:

congratz, you just broke the init script

[20:05:07]

kormoc:

add it as a part of the start(){...} chunk

[20:05:30]

Bas:

oh

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Bas:

i will repair...

[20:06:07]

kormoc:

and turn off parallized bootup if you enabled it in your rc.conf

[20:06:49]

Dagmar:

As long as it's in there somewhere in immediate mode, the extra 15s isn't going to break life

[20:07:18]

Bas:

right its now in the start() { area

[20:07:39]

Bas:

im sure it tried this once before, from what i recall it worked but stopped the keyboard responding

[20:07:48]

kormoc:

for 15 seconds, it will

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Bas:

and sometimes made the keyboard very erratic

[20:08:08]

kormoc:

Dagmar, nah, it'll just eat up 15 seconds before it even gets to starting udev, so it won't do anything

[20:08:48]

Bas:

yeh i have a 15 sec pause in the boot up

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Bas:

still no lock

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kormoc:

get the backend logs?

[20:10:29]

Dagmar:

kormoc: Since when does mythbackend start before udev?

[20:10:45]

Dagmar:

...and if you werne't mistaken, who do I need to ship a beating to?

[20:11:01]

kormoc:

Dagmar, Gentoo parses all the init.d scripts, for the depends and all that before it loads up a single one

[20:11:14]

Dagmar:

Okay, so there's more than one extra 15s pause

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nambo:

this is ridiculous

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kormoc:

Dagmar, so having the sleep 15 not in the depends function, it'll run when it's figuring out what requires what, and then won't run again after it starts up each script

[20:11:44]

nambo:

i have to use dvb-apps, a 3rd party app, because mythtv can't pick up digital channels right?

[20:12:02]

Dagmar:

Nope.

[20:12:12]

kormoc:

nambo, you know, we did ask you a few questions and you didn't bother answering them...

[20:12:16]

Dagmar:

Myth doesn't pick up channels.

[20:12:20]

Dagmar:

Tuner cards do.

[20:12:21]

nambo:

i wasn't here

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nambo:

dagmar: either be helpful or leave me alone

[20:12:40]

kormoc:

according to the logs you were

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** kormoc shrugs **

[20:12:56]

nambo:

i've been working back and forth between this system and the myth box

[20:12:58]

Dagmar:

nambo: You're on your own now

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nambo:

dagmar: piss up a rope

[20:13:17]

nambo:

i've gotten into it with you in here before

[20:13:24]

nambo:

ignored

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kormoc:

nambo, be civil...

[20:13:38]

nambo:

i'm trying to be

[20:13:43]

nambo:

so anyways

[20:13:58]

nambo:

i scan with myth, and it brings up the channels, but no signal

[20:14:47]

Dagmar:

I don't deal with petulant bitches.

[20:14:56]

nambo:

dagmar: because you are a bitch?

[20:15:02]

kormoc:

Guys...

[20:15:05]

nambo:

yeah, i know what they say about women

[20:15:06]

iamlindoro:

I like cheese.

[20:15:09]

Dagmar:

Carping at kormoc to "be helpful or leave me alone" pretty much typifies being a beyotch

[20:15:13]

iamlindoro:

And Jewel Staite

[20:15:20]

** kormoc agrees with iamlindoro **

[20:15:30]

Dagmar:

You know hew record label raped her, right?

[20:15:34]

nambo:

dagmar: you were a dick last time i was in here, you're a dick now

[20:15:51]

kormoc:

Dagmar, no?

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iamlindoro:

Dagmar: Think you mean "jewel" the singer

[20:16:02]

nambo:

so where can i find us-Cable-Standard-center-frequencies-QAM256

[20:16:06]

iamlindoro:

we mean Jewel the firefly star

[20:16:18]

kormoc:

The jewel of my eye...

[20:16:19]

nambo:

i'm not seeing it in scan with dvb-utils

[20:16:24]

iamlindoro:

and the momma of my future children

[20:16:26]

sphery:

Yeah, Jewel Kilcher is a very different Jewl

[20:16:29]

sphery:

Jewel

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iamlindoro:

and the future ex-Mrs. iamlindoro

[20:16:39]

** kormoc laughs **

[20:16:46]

kormoc:

You take your dreams way too far

[20:16:56]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, I should stop them before the custody hearing

[20:16:56]

sphery:

iamlindoro: so, what does Matt Anderson think of that?

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iamlindoro:

sphery: He thinks that if he has to lose, it might as well be to a guy like me

[20:17:16]

sphery:

heh

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nambo:

funny how you guys mimic a support channel, but when people ask questions all we get is trolls

[20:17:38]

laga:

ah, go away

[20:17:46]

nambo:

i guess none of you guys use digital tuners

[20:17:54]

laga:

we're doing it for teh lulz

[20:18:11]

iamlindoro:

I have pictures engraved on pieces of stone and have my underlings run them in front of my face very very quickly

[20:18:17]

Dagmar:

Actually iamlindoro was right

[20:18:25]

Dagmar:

I thought you were talking about the singer girl

[20:18:51]

sphery:

nambo: the easiest approach may be a) backup your DB ( http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Database_Backup_and_Restore ) and b) reinstall MythBuntu from scratch (and don't upgrade v4l-dvb or anything) as the pcHDTV HD-5500 should just work (hope I have the right problem, here)

[20:19:05]

Dagmar:

It's a perfect example of why labels should just start every month by burning an A&R person alive

[20:19:12]

nambo:

sphery: think i should pull the analog card before i do so?

[20:19:18]

iamlindoro:

nambo: I aksed this before, but... are you plugged into the cable box?

[20:19:26]

nambo:

yeah... i know how to backup... might just wipe it anyways

[20:19:37]

iamlindoro:

he, "aksed"

[20:19:39]

iamlindoro:

er heh

[20:19:42]

nambo:

iamlindoro: no boxjust straight cable

[20:19:45]

iamlindoro:

ok

[20:19:52]

nambo:

do i need to be?

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sphery:

nambo: I think if you do a fresh install of current mythbuntu with all your capture cards installed, it will take care of all your problems

[20:19:59]

kormoc:

nambo, and you understand that if the channels are encrypted, you won't get them, right?

[20:19:59]

iamlindoro:

in that case, I'm with sphery, it really should "just work"

[20:20:08]

iamlindoro:

and I'm also with kormoc

[20:20:09]

nambo:

yes... i understand that

[20:20:14]

iamlindoro:

but don't tell sphery, he gets jealous

[20:20:25]

kormoc:

they'll show up in the scan bit you won't get a lock (same as you're seeing now...)

[20:20:30]

kormoc:

*but

[20:20:33]

sphery:

but I thought we were exclusive...

[20:20:42]

kormoc:

oh noes!

[20:20:46]

iamlindoro:

sphery: Shouldn't you be working on my dinner?

[20:20:49]

nambo:

kormoc: a no signal error?

[20:20:52]

iamlindoro:

and wash my shirts

[20:21:07]

sphery:

I'm glad I never did those patches I promised you!

[20:21:15]

kormoc:

nambo, depends specifically on the error message

[20:21:28]

iamlindoro:

sphery: I gave up on those long ago, you're just a big tease!

[20:21:34]

sphery:

heh

[20:21:39]

meshe:

iamlindoro: http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Marjory_the_Trash_Heap <--- check out the design team under the picture

[20:21:44]

nambo:

i'm going to try one more thing.... then i'm just going to redo it, like sphery said

[20:21:46]

iamlindoro:

kormoc gave me patch on the first date!

[20:21:53]

nambo:

tnx for your help guys

[20:22:11]

iamlindoro:

meshe: You mean good ol' aunt Maria? ;)

[20:22:13]

sphery:

I knew you were going to him for SQL help, but I thought it was just SQL...

[20:22:18]

meshe:

hehe

[20:22:28]

** kormoc laughs **

[20:22:42]

meshe:

caught the name when i was watching fraggle rock yesterday

[20:22:54]

sphery:

that's cool... any relation?

[20:23:53]

iamlindoro:

sphery: heh, no, it's allegedly the 2nd most common irish last name

[20:24:04]

kormoc:

I added that recorded markup duration query to our dev test, and it's been amazingly useful, have had many people with, ifnull doesn't exist, subqueries are invalid, using a non-field for a order by is invalid, etc. Quite telling on akill level :)

[20:24:09]

iamlindoro:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McNamara

[20:24:12]

iamlindoro:

is a much better question

[20:24:39]

kormoc:

Anduin, the answer is?

[20:24:47]

iamlindoro:

hehehe, silly tab

[20:24:47]

kormoc:

whoops

[20:24:51]

iamlindoro:

anyway, no

[20:25:01]

sphery:

I always said iamlindoro's middle name is Strange

[20:25:13]

iamlindoro:

Among my other middle names

[20:25:35]

kormoc:

So I guess it's down to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McNamara_(figure_skater) then eh?

[20:25:54]

iamlindoro:

My secret shame!

[20:27:20]

AndyCap:

what would brian boitano do?

[20:27:46]

Dagmar:

Probably cruise for guys

[20:27:54]

kormoc:

So I've really taken a liking to "Legend of the Seeker" btw

[20:28:11]

iamlindoro:

The chick is kinda hot

[20:28:14]

iamlindoro:

ish

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snarkster:

hi im back

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iamlindoro:

Whew, I was worried

[20:29:27]

snarkster:

one last question.. do you really need to have a desktop underlying myth?

[20:29:44]

nambo:

i'm getting locks now, i was being impatient

[20:29:46]

sphery:

desktop environment, no (and recommended that you don't), window manager, yes

[20:29:47]

iamlindoro:

Myth will run without a WM, it's just a terrible idea

[20:30:01]

sphery:

i.e. no GNOME or KDE, but yes to Fluxbox or RatPoison or ...

[20:30:07]

snarkster:

so i can remove xfce then

[20:30:25]

sphery:

probably ought to switch from xfce to something else, like RatPoison

[20:30:34]

snarkster:

ok

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laga:

sphery: fyi, mythbuntu uses xfce

[20:30:48]

sphery:

RatPoison takes about 300KiB incremental memory, so it's /very/ low-resource

[20:31:19]

sphery:

well, xfce is light-years better than GNOME or KDE, but still rather heavy for a dedicated myth box in my opinion

[20:31:25]

iamlindoro:

If you're splitting hairs and you already have xfce installed, you should have a *really good* reason for removing it

[20:31:28]

sphery:

but for general desktop-like-usage, it's ideal

[20:31:52]

iamlindoro:

If your reason is "to have a lighter weight box" without more specific information, that is a bad reason

[20:31:54]

laga:

sphery: it's intended to provide a more desktop-ish feeling for administration

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sphery:

laga: exactly... I think it's a good choice for a nice middle-of-the-road for a general-usage Myth distro, but I wouldn't use it.

[20:33:10]

sphery:

those who want to can switch to a plain WM and those who like the desktop-like behavior can stick with xfce

[20:33:24]

laga:

sphery: it's my main desktop now ;)

[20:33:36]

kormoc:

I love xfce

[20:33:43]

iamlindoro:

I like xfce a lot

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sphery:

Yeah, I like Xubuntu better than Ubuntu, but I still use Flux for my main desktop

[20:34:14]

sphery:

(there's something nice about a desktop that does /not/ allow desktop clutter/icons :)

[20:35:15]

snarkster:

ok thanx

[20:38:24]

meshe:

E

[20:39:51]

nambo:

sphery: is it normal for myth to find like 8 different channels per frequency?

[20:40:07]

laga:

sphery: i'm currently setting up lxde + fluxbox on my laptop :)

[20:40:11]

nambo:

got a bunch of weirdly named channels... heh

[20:40:34]

laga:

sphery: looks like urxvt will be my new terminal of choice, although i can't seem to get the colors right :(

[20:41:35]

iamlindoro:

nambo: That's how digital television works...

[20:41:43]

iamlindoro:

(the multiple channels per frequency)

[20:42:04]

nambo:

yeah... learning that first hand

[20:42:12]

nambo:

heh, read about it... now seeing it

[20:42:21]

iamlindoro:

and any weirdly named channels are weirdly named because cable providers in the US choose not to put the naming/numbering information for any more than they are required to in the clear

[20:42:34]

nambo:

thought it was 4 digital channels or 2 hd channels per frequency

[20:42:40]

nambo:

or that might be over the air

[20:42:49]

iamlindoro:

Which means (for most people) that the only channels that will end up named or numbered properly will be those that you could get with an antenna

[20:43:04]

iamlindoro:

nambo: There is no standard for how cable companies (or OTA) multiplexes their data

[20:43:11]

nambo:

yeah, gonna be a bitch to rename these, but it's nice just to see it working

[20:43:24]

iamlindoro:

Quite oten one will see 10–12 SD channels on a single 6 Mhz channel

[20:43:26]

iamlindoro:

er often

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iamlindoro:

or upwads of 30 audio-only channels

[20:43:41]

iamlindoro:

upwards

[20:44:03]

nambo:

crazy how much more they can modulate on the signal through copperwire

[20:44:21]

iamlindoro:

I think you may be misunderstanding terms

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iamlindoro:

as modulate in this sense doesn't mean what it seems like you think it means

[20:44:59]

nambo:

modulation is putting information on a carrier

[20:45:11]

nambo:

it's a simple concept

[20:45:17]

nambo:

QAM is just new to me

[20:45:20]

** iamlindoro sighs **

[20:45:47]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, it's not worth arguing to try to inform someone, so back I go to more soothing pastimes

[20:46:09]

nambo:

of course it's modulated, all information whether through the air or wire has to be modulated

[20:46:28]

nambo:

it's just a higher frequency digital carrier

[20:46:42]

nambo:

they have both frequencies on the coax

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iamlindoro:

nambo: A bit of advice, you spent the better part of 20 minutes complaing of how myth sucks and how nobody was helpful when you had simply not waited for the scan to finish, and now you're asking basic questions about digital transmission that indicate you are not experienced in it-- if you'd like to continue to get help here, I would check the superior attitude and adopt one that is more respectful

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nambo:

haha

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nambo:

i'm studying modulation and digital signals right now, just because i didn't know how myth worked in that regard doesn't mean i don't know wtf i'm talking about

[20:48:42]

** iamlindoro sighs **

[20:48:47]

iamlindoro:

well, I tried

[20:48:52]

nambo:

ever hear of Phase Modulation before? howabout pulse width

[20:49:08]

nambo:

well, stop waving your dick in the air, i don't care

[20:49:13]

nambo:

i just want to get this working

[20:49:47]

nambo:

you don't need to one up me because you know the idiosynchricies of mythtv more than i do

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kormoc:

nambo, as I said before, watch the language....

[20:51:17]

nambo:

what language? dick is a man's name

[20:51:20]

nambo:

hehe

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kormoc:

go ahead and push your luck, next time it's a hour ban

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** iamlindoro yawns at youth-induced idiocy **

[20:52:33]

nambo:

youth induced idiocy? dude, i'm working on an EET degree... what degree do you have?

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nambo:

sorry i made you feel stupid

[20:53:14]

nambo:

but going back to the original point, all signals are modulated

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** kormoc sighs **

[20:53:22]

nambo:

kormoc: seig heil mein fuhrer

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kormoc:

we don't need a wikipedia re-hash of terms...

[20:53:44]

kormoc:

we have clever for that...

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nambo:

no, but all do need a lesson in how not to be rude pricks

[20:53:55]

nambo:

seriously

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nambo:

i come in here asking questions, and i get trolled, and told to go away

[20:54:10]

kormoc:

If you don't like it here, then go away

[20:54:24]

laga:

i told you to go away because you were being bitchy *shrug*

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nambo:

naw... if you want to troll, i can troll

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kormoc:

you're not going to get the channel to change/accept you by telling us all how awful we are...

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nambo:

laga, kormoc: neither of you helped me

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iamlindoro:

especially in light of your own ignorance

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kormoc:

nambo, you're using myth, right?

[20:54:53]

nambo:

sphery is the only person here that took the time to support

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iamlindoro:

I did help you, I got the biggest earful

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laga:

nambo: yeah, because i re-attached to my IRC session and saw you bitching :)

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kormoc:

nambo, cause if you are, welcome to using our code!

[20:55:27]

nambo:

because this Dagmar prick wanted to talk s***

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nambo:

your code?

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nambo:

did you write it?

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iamlindoro:

Yes

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sphery:

he wrote a /lot/ of it

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iamlindoro:

he di

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kormoc:

that's sorta the point of being a project developer...

[20:55:53]

iamlindoro:

did

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iamlindoro:

You're also using my code, you're welcome

[20:55:59]

nambo:

kormoc: well then copyright it next time... instead of giving it away for free, if that's how you feel

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AndyCap:

O_o

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** kormoc laughs **

[20:56:14]

wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: do you have stuff old enough to get commited to -fixes?

[20:56:18]

sphery:

it is copyrighted

[20:56:28]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yeah, some, though not as much as there will be in .22

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nambo:

i don't give a shit who's code it is, if it doesn't work and requires a reinstall of the os to work, it needs work

[20:56:37]

nambo:

sphery: under the GNU

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iamlindoro:

He's right, it's obviously not idiot-proof yet

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iamlindoro:

case in point

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nambo:

idiot-proof? it's down right buggy as hell

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** iamlindoro yawns **

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nambo:

want my list of issues?

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AndyCap:

nambo: matches your social skills then. :)

[20:57:15]

laga:

no

[20:57:15]

nambo:

of course not... you wouldn't care

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kormoc:

nambo, so go find something else

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laga:

go install win mce ;)

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iamlindoro:

oh yes, please do

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laga:

because we really really do not care

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nambo:

kormoc: thinking about it

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** kormoc waves **

[20:57:36]

nambo:

laga: that's obvious

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iamlindoro:

don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out

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nambo:

you guys are a bunch of twits

[20:57:56]

iamlindoro:

And you're a clueless college freshman

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nambo:

lovely to see the professionalism of this channel

[20:58:01]

iamlindoro:

go learn to drink, it's Friday

[20:58:15]

AndyCap:

iamlindoro: that's probably illegal. :P

[20:58:21]

kormoc:

nambo, what professionalism? it's a OSS project none of us get paid for...

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iamlindoro:

AndyCap: Ooh, good point

[20:58:33]

iamlindoro:

AndyCap: unless it's .eu, I guess

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nambo:

kormoc: right... meaning if you could really program, you'd be getting a check?

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kormoc:

I should have known when his hostmask was asshole@

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** kormoc laughs **

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nambo:

i mean, this is a goddamn joke

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kormoc:

okay

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nambo:

how long has mythtv been out?

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iamlindoro:

adios!

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nambo:

and it's still a ball of crap?

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nambo:

lol

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nambo:

i thought you guys liked to troll

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AndyCap:

Hmm. season 5 of babylon 5 doesn't really gel with the rest.

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iamlindoro:

AndyCap: No, it wasn't that great

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kormoc:

huh, quiet doesn't do what I thought it did

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Bas:

UPDATE: in mythbackend startup script I have changed the line "need net " to "need net local" and put a 10 second delay in the script, so mythbackend starts up last. This has solved the issue of the tv not locking, but now i have no keyboard, although I do have mouse which uses the same radio dongle.

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iamlindoro:

quiet is neat, now he can watch us talk about how silly he is

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iamlindoro:

It's like.. hey, speaking of Babylon 5..

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iamlindoro:

"I have no mouth and I must scream!"

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** kormoc laughs **

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sphery:

that's unbelievable

[21:01:09]

iamlindoro:

I really hope I wasn't that insufferable in college

[21:01:44]

iamlindoro:

For reference, I have two graduate degrees and used to work in a cable headend, but what do I know? :)

[21:02:03]

iamlindoro:

For some reason "I'm studying for an EET degree" does not impress me :)

[21:02:24]

sphery:

Eastern European Time?

[21:02:44]

iamlindoro:

sphery: hehe, I almost made that joke, but I think he wouldn't have gotten the intentional denseness

[21:02:54]

iamlindoro:

"Haha, you really are stupid!"

[21:02:54]

wagnerrp:

technologies... associates degree

[21:02:55]

AndyCap:

hmm, ironically, that makes a tv the ass-end of a cable-plant.

[21:03:14]

wagnerrp:

my EE friends call them electricians

[21:03:15]

sphery:

yeah... I just think way too much about time zones, anymore--ever since the patch

[21:04:26]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, while getting an education is always commendable, going to Devry does not entitle one to look down on people

[21:04:33]

kormoc:

I love the fact that it was heading towards yet another person to tell me I don't understand OSS

[21:04:55]

AndyCap:

kormoc: yeah, you really should have copyrighted it. :)

[21:05:29]

kormoc:

heh, totally

[21:05:33]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, then there was the (undiscussed) misunderstanding between license and copyright

[21:05:39]

sphery:

kormoc: I still haven't seen that Python conversion...

[21:06:00]

kormoc:

heh, funny you should mention that...

[21:06:06]

AndyCap:

Convert now or fall forever!

[21:06:16]

iamlindoro:

PythWeb is done!

[21:06:26]

sphery:

heh, nice name

[21:06:27]

iamlindoro:

Plus, it's fun to say

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kormoc:

there is that perl mythweb project

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sphery:

where?

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sphery:

someone's doing a fork?

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sphery:

(or, really, a re-implementation)

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AndyCap:

not the perl mythtv project?

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kormoc:

Aye, they already did

[21:07:15]

kormoc:

nah, not the BE perl project

[21:07:23]

kormoc:

some guy just decided to do a perl version of mythweb

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kormoc:

let me find the url

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kormoc:

xris linked it to me not too long ago...

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iamlindoro:

Here's one: http://sourceforge.net/projects/jmythtv/

[21:08:16]

iamlindoro:

Same idea, but not the same

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kormoc:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythwebz/

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sphery:

iamlindoro: yeah, because all we need is to have to teach people how to install Java /and/ Tomcat

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iamlindoro:

heh

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Dagmar:

It would also be fun to explain why the thing is so damnably slow

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schlazor:

and run out of ram all the time

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wagnerrp:

but Sun tells me java is fast

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sphery:

Hey, it's not the fault of the tomcat devs--they do all the microoptimizations that a 1980's C programmer would have done: things like copy/paste code inlining, etc.

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schlazor:

most of my day job involves java ee web stuff

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schlazor:

once everything is up and running its not too bad

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sphery:

though I will argue that most slow Java is slow because it was written that way, not because of Java

[21:11:27]

schlazor:

but there's a lot of overhead involved where it wouldn't be

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kormoc:

haha

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kormoc:

http://mythwebz.sourceforge.net/

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kormoc:

has a donate money link

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sphery:

wow

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sphery:

I'd rather donate my money to the developer who converts MythWeb to python ;)

[21:12:27]

iamlindoro:

Ah well @ nambo... I guess the world needs comcast technicians too

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AndyCap:

isn't that the default sf.net page?

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kormoc:

Is it? I don't really use SF much at all

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AndyCap:

http://diane.sourceforge.net/

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kormoc:

ahh, guess it is

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sphery:

You have to enable donations on the project, though

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AndyCap:

unlike jyatv or what it was

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AndyCap:

achaa

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wagnerrp:

iamlindoro: its a bit more than that... my cousin is an EET, he does circuitboard repairs

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sphery:

just like your user has to enable them

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wagnerrp:

id say thats beyond the level of your average comcast tech

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laga:

sphery: do you use automagic tab grouping on fluxbox?

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sphery:

so he could fix XBox 360's? (There's job security.)

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sphery:

I don't use tabs...

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laga:

sphery: ah, okay

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sphery:

I like to put my windows where I want them, and I find that the tabs make it harder

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: The point was to be funny, not accurate

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sphery:

even with manual grouping

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kormoc:

hrm

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shadash:

release release release....

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iamlindoro:

There goes shadash praying for the swet release of death again

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iamlindoro:

sweet

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laga:

sphery: yeah, i just want to tab my terminals

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, .22 is on hold until MythWeb is in Python

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kormoc:

I tab a few things, irc, web browsing, chats, no so much terminals anymore

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kormoc:

Submit it to slashdot!

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wagnerrp:

well any of the more advanced terms support tabbing

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kormoc:

huh

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kormoc:

so MythWebZ doesn't even bother to use the perl bindings, he's writing his own, and they're incorrect to boot! Whee!

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laga:

wagnerrp: yeah, but i want urxvt.. for some reason i forgot now ;) mainly because it's not linked against kde ;)

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shadash:

I don't understand this project. Myth is good software but there doesn't seem to be any urge to release a stable version. Even if the stable version is unstable at least it gets people invloved.

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wagnerrp:

well trunk is available to all

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wagnerrp:

but was a massive rewrite, and that takes time to get fully stable again

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iamlindoro:

I would love to hear of a project that went from a working release to a broken release, and that *gained* them users

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iamlindoro:

Windows doesn't count

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wagnerrp:

when has windows gone from working to broken and gained users?

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iamlindoro:

anyway, there are at least two huge conversions going on in myth which cannot be left half-done in a release, so I'd love to know how the devs could ust call it a day right now

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shadash:

I used to put together rpms for yoper linux and finally gave up. The core group kept stalling on releases

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laga:

wagnerrp: ME?

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** cesman wonders what isn't stable about 0.21-fixes... **

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shadash:

They decided to write their own installer even when I provided a working protype that install the os using anaconda

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Dagmar:

heh

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Dagmar:

Too advanced for them was it?

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wagnerrp:

cesman: hes saying trunk should be released, even in an unstable form, in order to draw more users

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shadash:

I'm not providing anything here so I can't comment

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shadash:

but I see parallels

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wagnerrp:

not that 0.21-fixes is unstable itself

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cesman:

wagnerrp: isn't that what /ignore is for? ;)

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: not until certain people start installing the kitchen sink on it :)

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wagnerrp:

well then youre not running -fixes anymore are you

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Dagmar:

Just tell them "Nina Reiser kept insisting on premature releases."

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cesman:

ouch

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sphery:

wow... T-Bag heading to Heroes: http://www.tv.com/story/15425.html?tag=person . . . news;title;0

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kormoc:

So I ask you, when did bookcases start being designed for non-books primarily?

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Dagmar:

When your gf took your ahem away

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sphery:

what do people put on bookcases, now?

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Dagmar:

"Fire hazardS"

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Dagmar:

"Information which can't be grepped."

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wagnerrp:

i know ive got several hundred pounds of fire hazards on my book cases

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wagnerrp:

and some speakers

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kormoc:

I mean really, http://www.amazon.com/Home-Star-Espresso-Ladd . . . /B000PWISIO/ is a book case?

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Dagmar:

Looks like a curio shelf to me

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wagnerrp:

looks rather narrow to put anything on the top shelf

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kormoc:

yeah...

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Dagmar:

Dusts catchers

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Dagmar:

s/Dusts/Dust/;

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iamlindoro:

That looks nothing like homestar!

[21:35:54]

iamlindoro:

http://www.davidandgavinhoffman.com/photos/go . . . homestar.jpg

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Dagmar:

It looks like him to me

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iamlindoro:

Enmity: Well, you get points for having read the channel topic on your own, anyway ;)

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sphery:

Enmity: yeah, any nick with mythtv in it is banned from this channel

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sphery:

supposed to prevent anyone from being able to pose as an important decision maker in the project or whatever

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sphery:

at least that's my understanding

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laga:

not sure

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laga:

oops

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Enmity:

I must be getting old, its been a week since I last futzed with getting mythtv working and can't even remember where I was up to last week end – how is everyone this fine morning anyway?

[22:11:43]

sphery:

doing well and happily watching my MythTV, now :)

[22:11:47]

sphery:

good luck with yours

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Enmity:

heh, thanks, am now scanning for channels as root instead of user mythtv, see if that is why I can't see anything

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Enmity:

any other Aussie's here? does anyone else use icetv for the video sources?

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purserj:

Enmity: yes and now

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purserj:

no

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** purserj is australian and uses shepherd **

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sphery:

wouldn't just dumping data from /dev/urandom into the schedule be just as accurate for you folks in Australia? :)

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Dagmar:

Pretty much

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Dagmar:

They need to stop running their stations on "Alfie-time"

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Dagmar:

...or buy Alfie a new watch so he can start the programming at the right time

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Dagmar:

Their dentists are also bloody savages.

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Enmity:

when I run mythtv-setup and search for xmltv grabbers, it does not find the icetv grabber I installed – looking up Shepherd now

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sphery:

Myth only lists those that support ... some optional XMLTV standard. --capabilities or something?

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sphery:

yeah, --capabilities

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Enmity:

it seems the Shepherd wiki is down

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Enmity:

can't load http://svn.whuffy.com/index.cgi/wiki

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sphery:

Enmity: http://svn.whuffy.com/wiki works for me

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sphery:

looks like they rearranged the site

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sphery:

see, also: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/XMLTV#Australia and http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Australian_TV_Listings#Shepherd

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Enmity:

yeah, futzing away, following installation instructions for shepherd now, installing perl modules atm

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iamlindoro:

kormoc, ping?

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iamlindoro:

(or any other dev who has a second for me to ask a policy question)

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