MythLogBot@irc.freenode.net :: #mythtv-users

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Thursday, June 4th, 2009, 00:00 UTC
[00:00:01] clever: and tried every one, and none worked
[00:00:17] th1: well
[00:00:34] th1: the biggest problem is that some drivers have problems supporting shared irqs
[00:00:39] clever: i then read the code more, and could see that it ran the 'irq handler' with a timer, if it lacked an irq
[00:00:55] th1: yeah that's a common workaround
[00:01:00] clever: the handler that could support sharing, wouldnt get upset from being ran when there was no event
[00:01:14] clever: i then did the same hack to the pcmcia wifi driver
[00:01:26] clever: then the driver would load, and iwconfig could see it!
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[00:01:58] th1: trouble is wifi drivers are usually timing sensitive
[00:02:05] clever: but the instant i run 'ip link set eth2 up', the whole system hard-locks
[00:02:16] clever: i suspect it disabled timers and waited for an irq
[00:02:23] th1: probably
[00:02:42] th1: it could always poll the status register in a loop
[00:02:46] th1: but it would not be very efficient
[00:02:53] clever: and i have seen a timing problem in the same card+driver, on a working system
[00:03:11] clever: every now and the, some kind of io write timeout would happen
[00:03:21] clever: and the link LED would go out on the card, along with an error in dmesg
[00:03:28] clever: and id loose the link for ~15–20 seconds
[00:03:56] th1: yes thaat makes sense
[00:03:56] clever: then mythfrontend(even with a hacked 20mb playback buffer) would screatch to a halt, because it cant fill the buffer anymore
[00:04:10] clever: once the wireless recovers, it resumes playing that buffer
[00:04:16] clever: even if reading timed out
[00:04:25] clever: so it would fake being ok, and id drop my guard
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[00:04:30] clever: then 20mb later, it stops playback
[00:04:35] th1: the same would happen if you tried to download a file or whatever
[00:04:43] clever: and i have to fuss with it for 10 minutes to get back to where i was
[00:04:45] th1: or stream with vlc for example
[00:05:02] th1: yeah
[00:05:02] clever: those programs use the kernel to open the files
[00:05:05] clever: which doesnt timeout as much
[00:05:13] clever: the mythtv streaming protocol is a little more picky
[00:05:26] th1: it still uses the kernel to open the tcp stream :)
[00:05:41] clever: but the timeouts within the mythtv layer, are alot lower
[00:05:47] th1: yeah
[00:05:53] clever: and it would often timeout, and keep playing(the buffer)
[00:06:09] clever: so i'm constantly hitting the bookmark key every time it pauses for a moment
[00:06:10] th1: watching mythtv on a laptop even with a working wifi driver is always annoying
[00:06:24] clever: with 802.11g, its ok
[00:06:24] th1: it always stutters at some point
[00:06:32] clever: but with that b card, it was painfull
[00:06:33] th1: yes for SD
[00:06:47] clever: it also had a funny bandwidth problem
[00:07:02] clever: using nfs on an active recording(not done) would be imposible
[00:07:03] wagnerrp: well this is odd
[00:07:14] clever: the backend would write to the file, changing the mtime
[00:07:19] clever: and flush the read-ahead buffer on the client
[00:07:27] clever: forcing it to reread the same junk over and over
[00:07:31] wagnerrp: one of the rips ended up with a 8.6GB file and a 10GB file, both 1:55:17 long, seemingly the same content
[00:07:33] clever: and waste the little bandwidht it had
[00:08:50] clever: th1: but the harddrive in that wireless laptop eventualy failed
[00:08:55] clever: so now its purely network booting
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[01:03:41] iamlindoro: What a pain in the butt flashing this router for dd-wrt is
[01:03:54] iamlindoro: have to go through four iterations of firmware
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[01:07:22] linxeh: lol
[01:07:41] jams: which router did you end up with?
[01:08:05] iamlindoro: jams, The Asus WL-500W
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[01:09:06] jams: hah newegg even lists it as dd-wrt supported
[01:09:26] iamlindoro: jams, yeah, I thought that was funny, all the Asus have that tag
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[01:12:22] iamlindoro: At last, onto the final firmware
[01:12:47] iamlindoro: dd-wrt has definitely gotten a facelift since the last time I used it
[01:13:19] wagnerrp: four iterations? i could understand two, but four?
[01:14:07] iamlindoro: a clear NVRAM firmware, a recovery firmware, a mini firmware, then the final firmware
[01:14:15] iamlindoro: this is straight off their instructions, don't ask me
[01:15:09] iamlindoro: I'm sure that one or two of them may be purely for safety's sake
[01:15:39] jams: they just want to give you plenty of chances to brick it
[01:15:59] iamlindoro: Hey, so for those who didn't catch the message on -users, JYA is backporting the current ffmpeg
[01:16:13] iamlindoro: In case you didn't have enough reasons to blow off the fork
[01:16:17] wagnerrp: worst ive seen is a double flash on one of the WRTv8s
[01:16:37] wagnerrp: you had to install the mini-flash because of lack of space
[01:16:48] wagnerrp: but once you had that one there, you had room to put the full version on
[01:17:05] iamlindoro: I'd rather flash four times and have it work than decide to write my own install path and be sad in the end
[01:17:17] iamlindoro: as we all too often see here :)
[01:18:08] wagnerrp: any idea why one of these disks would have two seemingly identical copies of the movie?
[01:18:22] iamlindoro: director's cut
[01:18:30] wagnerrp: file lengths are identical
[01:18:41] wagnerrp: reported times, rather
[01:18:47] wagnerrp: one is 8.6GB, the other 11GB
[01:18:53] iamlindoro: hrm... guess in theory it could still be possible (ie same length, more complex scenes)
[01:18:58] iamlindoro: but that's a big difference
[01:19:04] iamlindoro: guess you'll have to watch it twice :)
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[01:19:25] wagnerrp: at the same time
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[01:19:50] iamlindoro: Did it run twice, once with two pass, once with one?
[01:20:18] wagnerrp: the ripper? dont know, just ran it and left
[01:20:32] iamlindoro: ah, then unlikely I guess
[01:20:35] wagnerrp: one is 'feature_1.evo', the other 'feature_2.evo'
[01:20:56] iamlindoro: oh, have you watched them? should be two halves of the same movie
[01:21:04] iamlindoro: didn't realize you were watching HD-DVD
[01:21:17] iamlindoro: HD-DVD is almost invariably two .evos with exactly those names
[01:21:25] iamlindoro: you can cat them together for the final film
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[01:22:13] wagnerrp: well i opened each, and they both started at the beginning of the film
[01:22:21] wagnerrp: but that may have been some weirdness with the windows decoder
[01:22:25] iamlindoro: What movie?
[01:22:28] wagnerrp: automatically picking up the first file
[01:22:33] iamlindoro: could be I guess
[01:23:09] wagnerrp: that would explain why when i remuxed the second (larger) one to strip out the extra audio tracks, it was only about 1hr long
[01:23:53] iamlindoro: Don't know anything on the windows side besides AnyDVD
[01:23:58] iamlindoro: have done all my manipulation in linux
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[01:26:57] wagnerrp: HDDVDs dont have to have file splits at the layer change do they?
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[01:27:40] iamlindoro: yep, they do
[01:27:50] wagnerrp: so that explains the two files then
[01:27:55] iamlindoro: yeah
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[01:31:20] wagnerrp: im also surprised that its a 60fps TCd encoding
[01:31:42] wagnerrp: rather than the standard 24
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[01:41:52] iamlindo`: ahhhh, fresh new routerage
[01:43:19] sphery: Asus routerage?
[01:43:23] iamlindo`: yah
[01:43:26] sphery: nice
[01:43:31] iamlindo`: wagnerrp, What film are you looking at?
[01:43:37] sphery: seems it's cutting packets--you lost your ro
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[01:43:54] sphery: maybe it's an MTU thing :)
[01:43:55] iamlindo`: sphery, heh... now to figure out what the "mega" firmware gets me
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[01:44:16] iamlindo`: I'm just waiting for the other iamlindoro to die because I'm too lazy to figure out how to ghost me
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[01:45:48] iamlindo`: geez, it really has been a while since I played with it, it's picked up all sorts of AJAXy goodness
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[01:49:01] iamlindoro: or maybe I'm not too lazy
[01:49:22] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: bourne ultimatum
[01:49:31] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, Ah, don't have that one
[01:50:16] wagnerrp: just found it odd, even nearly all DVDs ive ripped have been 24p
[01:50:27] wagnerrp: tombstone is the only one that comes to mind that wasnt
[01:51:27] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, last time I checked, ffmpeg/libav reported wrong bitrates on many HD-DVDs and they needed to have the 24p framerate manually set
[01:51:38] iamlindoro: think I made note of it on the High Definition media wiki page
[01:52:22] iamlindoro: curiously, myth plays them at the (proper) 24 fps framerate
[01:52:40] iamlindoro: whereas last time I used mplayer, it needed -fps 24000/1001
[01:55:38] wagnerrp: ah, yeah... mentions the 'feature_1/2' issue
[01:55:42] wagnerrp: should have looked there
[02:01:49] iamlindoro: abqjp, Heh, JYA doesn't like your latest H.264 recording patch
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[02:09:26] wagnerrp: its a shame theres no progress bar for 'cat'
[02:10:20] wagnerrp: for whatever reason, the file is not getting updated in the file system
[02:10:32] wagnerrp: so the only way to track progress is I/O Write Bytes in task manager
[02:18:45] iamlindoro: SMB/CIFS?
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[02:19:02] wagnerrp: all being done on my windows boot disk
[02:19:09] wagnerrp: and 'cat' from cygwin
[02:19:23] jblack: I never guessed that having remote control configurability would such a killer feature when I got a remote. Seriously, thanks.
[02:20:34] wagnerrp: i need to figure out whats wrong with my windows box
[02:20:45] wagnerrp: i had been getting pathetic network transfer speeds
[02:20:59] wagnerrp: but it turns out it was the local disk slowing down network transfers
[02:21:11] wagnerrp: im only getting 5–10MB/s off the disk
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[02:38:48] Ponty: How old is the drive?
[02:39:03] wagnerrp: couple years, 200GB SATA
[02:39:08] Ponty: IDE?
[02:39:35] Ponty: duh
[02:39:44] Ponty: You said SATA. I read up to 200GB and turned the eyes off. heh
[02:40:02] Ponty: So its at LEAST 150mbit.
[02:40:41] wagnerrp: why do you say that?
[02:40:56] Ponty: 5–10meg/sec is pathetic for 150mbit.
[02:41:09] wagnerrp: where did 150mbit come from?
[02:41:13] Ponty: SATA1 specs
[02:41:23] wagnerrp: say nothing about 150mbit
[02:42:11] wagnerrp: its 1.5gbps signalling, with 1.2gbps peak data throughput
[02:42:25] wagnerrp: or 150MBps
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[02:52:52] sphery: wagnerrp: last time I had that kind of slowdown on a disk was right before it failed as I was copying recordings off that disk
[02:53:37] wagnerrp: well i just copied a file off it onto another drive at 35MB/s
[02:53:49] sphery: it had a case of spreading-bad-sectors and the HDD kept trying to re-read when it found erros/move the data from the bad sectors
[02:54:15] sphery: copy all files off it and see if any particular ones are slow--like the ones with the bad sectors
[02:54:36] sphery: (or check the SMART data unless it's a Seagate "we don't do SMART standards" drive)
[02:55:41] wagnerrp: it is a... yeah, seagate
[02:56:28] phunyguy: wow
[02:56:30] sphery: then there's always Seatools :)
[02:56:36] phunyguy: did he just complain about mb vs MB?
[02:56:42] phunyguy: oh wait]
[02:56:44] phunyguy: he said mbit
[02:56:47] phunyguy: mah bad
[02:56:55] phunyguy: everyones eyes are funky tonight
[02:57:04] phunyguy: i was gonna say "I like this guy!"
[02:57:11] sphery: and the great thing about that is that you only need to shut down your computer and reboot it into the Seatools boot disk to use Seatools
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[02:57:46] wagnerrp: i need to figure out what kind of audio this HDDVD has
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[02:58:11] wagnerrp: all the tools say AC3, but neither ac3filter, nor ffdshow, will play it
[02:58:15] basement: hello again... :( .. lol
[02:58:34] wagnerrp: actually, ffdshow says eac3
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[03:04:24] wagnerrp: oh great... now it magically starts working
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[03:07:39] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, HD-DVD standard says all primary audio will be E-AC3 or MLP/TrueHD
[03:07:56] wagnerrp: yeah, i had the output device misconfigured
[03:08:18] wagnerrp: powerdvd tried forcing its own audio playback device inline
[03:08:23] wagnerrp: so i tried forcing it back to normal
[03:08:26] wagnerrp: and forced it wrong
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[03:15:06] phunyguy: yay – got my 8 port KVM installed
[03:15:09] phunyguy: i love freebies
[03:15:20] wagnerrp: freebie KVM?
[03:15:23] wagnerrp: from where?
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[03:22:21] Ponty: I like KVMs, but, I'm all USB. :/
[03:22:32] wagnerrp: both of my KVMs are USB
[03:22:39] Ponty: Nice
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[03:23:04] wagnerrp: although i largely have no use for them anymore
[03:23:35] wagnerrp: i moved my server downstairs, my laptop doesnt play nice with multiple outputs on linux, and the rest of the machines i have up here are rarely turned on
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[03:32:12] Ponty: I've only got two machines close together (Out of 7 machines in the house).
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[03:33:48] wagnerrp: ive got 6 functional machines right next to me
[03:34:01] wagnerrp: but thats just because i have all this space under my desk, and no better place to put them
[03:34:31] Ponty: I had to bribe the wife for room to STORE a couple of machines. :/
[03:35:33] wagnerrp: i should just scrap them somewhere
[03:36:18] Ponty: Well, if I had room AND a purpose for them, I'd GLADLY pick 'em up. :(
[03:37:22] wagnerrp: what for? i mean they would be an upgrade for some people in here, but theyre otherwise worthless
[03:37:43] iamlindoro: There's always someone out there to ensure my children grow up in domes
[03:38:10] wagnerrp: i could see donating them to somewhere that rebuilds machines
[03:38:11] Ponty: Thats what I mean.... If I had a use.
[03:38:35] wagnerrp: but theyre not going to be much use for the flash-y internet
[03:38:58] wagnerrp: they would probably choke on javascript heavy sites
[03:39:21] Ponty: That low end of machine, eh?
[03:39:30] Ponty: Foot stool. heh
[03:39:43] wagnerrp: a couple P3s, and an older P4
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[03:40:52] wagnerrp: theyre all full ATX boards, so its not like i can use them for a SFF machine somewhere either
[03:41:19] wagnerrp: the only one i ever boot is a dual P3 i use to build 32-bit packages
[03:41:29] wagnerrp: and thats maybe once a month
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[03:49:20] phunyguy: wagnerp – free stuff from work
[03:49:29] phunyguy: was gettin thrown our
[03:49:30] phunyguy: out
[03:49:40] phunyguy: same deal i got my rack server from
[03:49:44] phunyguy: which i am selling btw
[03:49:57] phunyguy: its too loud, too hot, and the CPU sits at 0.00 load at all times.
[03:52:43] RyeBrye: sounds like a trophy wife
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[04:10:47] Ponty: heh
[04:15:14] phunyguy: hah
[04:15:38] phunyguy: if you call a rack server a wife.
[04:15:57] wagnerrp: well you know... some like the animals, some like the computers
[04:16:01] ** Ponty 's watching Strange Brew. **
[04:16:09] Ponty: Awesome, even by TODAYS standards.
[04:16:13] wagnerrp: i hear theres some guy who built and married a robot
[04:16:18] phunyguy: Strange Brew?
[04:16:47] Ponty: You CAN'T tell me you've NEVER heard of Strange Brew.
[04:16:59] dewman: must have been in japan.... they are really freaky there..
[04:17:16] phunyguy: nah i got it
[04:17:18] phunyguy: Canada's most famous hosers, Bob and Doug McKenzie, get jobs at the Elsinore Brewery, only to learn that something is rotten with the state of it.
[04:17:18] wagnerrp: he wasnt japanese, i dont think
[04:17:19] Ponty: True. Them and their Hentai cartoons.
[04:17:56] phunyguy: mmm Hentai ^^
[04:18:01] phunyguy: kekekekekeke
[04:18:09] Ponty: oh geeze.
[04:18:11] wagnerrp: here we go... http://gizmodo.com/367698/technosexual-one-ma . . . f-robot-love
[04:18:16] phunyguy: :P
[04:18:22] wagnerrp: Zoltan, from Georgia
[04:18:32] phunyguy: Zoltan huh
[04:18:38] wagnerrp: japanese have nothing on them east europeans
[04:18:39] dewman: what no utube video?
[04:18:46] dewman: ;)
[04:19:54] phunyguy: hmmm I am wondering how I am going to build this rack/shelf "thing" in this closet...
[04:20:03] phunyguy: probably going to be wood.
[04:20:30] phunyguy: and has to hold several PCs, a 24 port switch, an 8 port KVM, and a monitor/kb/meese
[04:20:43] phunyguy: and have some sort of cable management
[04:21:22] phunyguy: will probably put the switch up top with the router PC (Desktop style case)
[04:21:32] phunyguy: just to keep the networking seperate....
[04:22:08] phunyguy: then on the shelf with the output devices, right under it will be the KVM
[04:22:13] phunyguy: and all PCs stacked under that
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[04:22:41] phunyguy: thoughts?
[04:23:11] wagnerrp: what are all these things going to be doing?
[04:23:19] phunyguy: what does that matter? lol
[04:23:28] phunyguy: one is my server
[04:23:30] phunyguy: one is the router
[04:23:34] phunyguy: one is the mythbackend
[04:23:45] phunyguy: etc...
[04:23:53] wagnerrp: thats three... why the rack?
[04:24:02] phunyguy: switch, KVM, limited space
[04:24:08] wagnerrp: put it off to the side of your office, and put your desktop in there
[04:24:14] phunyguy: will be putting my dish network reciever in there
[04:24:15] wagnerrp: four, maybe five if you have test boxes
[04:24:28] phunyguy: well i may not have an office much longer
[04:24:50] phunyguy: this stuff just needs to be out of the way
[04:25:02] dewman: vmware....
[04:25:06] phunyguy: ugh
[04:25:08] phunyguy: been that route
[04:25:23] phunyguy: each box has its purpose
[04:25:35] phunyguy: and i already installed the vent fan in there
[04:25:38] wagnerrp: there are very few problems that vmware solves
[04:25:41] phunyguy: so damit im building a rack
[04:25:59] phunyguy: oh my network printer is in there
[04:26:12] phunyguy: and its will all my communications will eventually terminate
[04:26:27] phunyguy: so there is a very good reason for all of this to be in a closet
[04:26:37] wagnerrp: the only purpose vmware might have for an end user is testing
[04:26:38] dewman: the only rack that I can build is my wifes....at least thats what she told me...
[04:27:00] phunyguy: doh.
[04:27:00] wagnerrp: you can build your wife's rack... you a plastic surgeon?
[04:27:02] iamlindoro: More rack is always good, when it's biological
[04:27:08] phunyguy: UGH
[04:27:10] phunyguy: its HIM
[04:27:14] phunyguy: that GUY
[04:27:32] phunyguy: hi :)
[04:27:45] dewman: No... Oracle DBA here...I dont like blood.....knives....hospitals.... etc... hehehe
[04:27:56] phunyguy: lol
[04:28:05] phunyguy: oooohhhhh... ..a DBA...
[04:28:11] phunyguy: *shudder*
[04:28:12] dewman: her rack 8k... my rack....2k
[04:28:13] phunyguy: ;)
[04:28:21] dewman: what the heck? hehe
[04:28:27] iamlindoro: dewman, worth it
[04:29:07] phunyguy: meh im happy with my wife.
[04:29:13] dewman: me to...
[04:29:24] phunyguy: without plastic surgery
[04:29:25] wagnerrp: youre happy with his wife?
[04:29:37] phunyguy: DOH
[04:29:40] dewman: i'm happy with anyones wife! =P
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[04:29:43] phunyguy: that was just wrong
[04:29:45] dewman: lol
[04:29:53] Ponty: LOL!
[04:30:05] phunyguy: my wife has a nice body with an average C.
[04:30:08] phunyguy: i couldnt be happier.
[04:30:37] dewman: now the dog...is another story..
[04:30:46] phunyguy: i have a cat.
[04:30:56] dewman: shes old, blind,deaf...
[04:30:59] phunyguy: poor guy lost his berries this week too.
[04:31:02] wagnerrp: until she finds out youve been on the internets talking about her rack
[04:31:03] dewman: and she snores
[04:31:12] phunyguy: awww
[04:31:26] phunyguy: i love dogs
[04:31:30] phunyguy: just not the smell
[04:31:37] phunyguy: my cat is bad enough
[04:31:43] dewman: she gets a oatmeal bath every week..
[04:31:49] phunyguy: lucky dog
[04:31:58] phunyguy: the cat has the smelliest poo ever.
[04:32:04] phunyguy: stinks up the room
[04:32:06] dewman: hahahahahaha
[04:32:19] dewman: dog poo=garden poo
[04:32:21] phunyguy: in fact, me putting the fan in the office closet hels the smell out
[04:32:29] phunyguy: helps*
[04:32:30] Ponty: phunyguy> YOu haven't met my two cats....
[04:32:39] phunyguy: the litter box is right by the closet door.
[04:32:49] dewman: should rig up some sort of 90cm fan over the cat box..
[04:32:51] Ponty: You can smell their shit two floors away, and their litter box is in a cabinet. :P
[04:33:00] phunyguy: hah its one of those enclosed boxes too
[04:33:03] phunyguy: the dome looking one
[04:33:08] phunyguy: language ;)
[04:33:23] phunyguy: (hay I always get yelled at when i slip)
[04:33:28] dewman: yep.. watch the poop....
[04:33:50] phunyguy: male cats Ponty?
[04:34:01] Ponty: Yep.
[04:34:04] phunyguy: yeah
[04:34:06] phunyguy: mine too
[04:34:10] phunyguy: he farts worse than me
[04:34:17] phunyguy: still young too
[04:34:24] phunyguy: hes about 8 months old
[04:34:27] phunyguy: (12 lbs already)
[04:34:33] phunyguy: gonna be a biggun
[04:34:38] dewman: I was going to give the ol girl some beans...
[04:34:54] dewman: only because she sleeps on the wifes side of the bed..
[04:34:56] dewman: hehehe
[04:35:13] phunyguy: lol
[04:35:22] phunyguy: speak of the devil
[04:35:29] dewman: I almost had it...
[04:35:31] phunyguy: cat just jumped up on the chair
[04:35:35] dewman: but i got caught..
[04:35:38] phunyguy: lol.
[04:35:47] phunyguy: laid down right behind me
[04:35:52] phunyguy: he's a good cat.
[04:35:56] phunyguy: best cat i have ever had
[04:36:17] phunyguy: the only one that actually uses the litter box, doesnt claw furniture, and has never puked.
[04:36:24] phunyguy: in fact
[04:36:33] phunyguy: the only issue we had with him was before the castration.
[04:36:40] phunyguy: he would meow at the door all hours of the night
[04:36:41] Ponty: My two cats have been put back into my good books again.... The dog, however, has been on my .. crap list.. for months.
[04:36:50] dewman: I only had one cat... and he sprayed all over a $90 shirt that i never wore....Kitty helicopter right out the door
[04:37:03] phunyguy: lol @ kitty heli
[04:37:07] Ponty: heh.. Kitty heli.
[04:37:12] phunyguy: <3
[04:37:15] phunyguy: my twin.
[04:37:29] dewman: the kat never came back..
[04:37:29] phunyguy: need to stop doing that
[04:37:55] phunyguy: well if your significant other chucked out out a door and made you do a 720 flip, would you come back?
[04:37:59] phunyguy: you*
[04:38:14] Ponty: Fine. I'll stop. Cuz I've gotta go on a 2 hour drive first thing in the morning with my two boyz.
[04:38:18] phunyguy: I'd give her the finger and run
[04:38:18] dewman: only depends if the rack was nice..
[04:38:30] dewman: =P
[04:38:30] phunyguy: if the rack was nice?
[04:38:31] Ponty: .. or watch Talladega Nights.......
[04:38:38] phunyguy: she threw you out the damn door, man...
[04:38:38] dewman: n/m
[04:38:42] dewman: hehe
[04:38:58] phunyguy: 2 hour drive, huh...
[04:39:02] phunyguy: i got tomorrow off.
[04:39:10] phunyguy: they keep encouraging us to take days off at work
[04:39:11] dewman: I wish i did...
[04:39:22] phunyguy: less money the company has to keep in the bank
[04:39:31] dewman: yeah, we have to take a week off in july with no pay..
[04:39:37] phunyguy: lucky you!
[04:39:57] phunyguy: i am very lucky in the sense that I still get raises, and dont have to take required days off without pay.
[04:40:06] phunyguy: but i also work for a nonprofit hospital.
[04:40:10] phunyguy: Healthcare IT.
[04:40:17] dewman: we were told we can not turn on laptops or cell phone... I think i am going to do it anways...
[04:40:20] phunyguy: we are the free hospital..
[04:40:43] phunyguy: if you dont have insurance, you go there and cannot get turned away
[04:40:49] phunyguy: state funded
[04:40:52] Ponty: I just had a week off of work.
[04:41:08] stonith: I've gotten my linux box working with audio over hdmi for mythtv. Unfortunately I'm not able to control the volume or mute through mythtv. Was wondering if someone had a solution for this or had similar problems with audio over hdmi?
[04:41:10] phunyguy: I am the lead desktop tech there (meaning i dont touch the desktops)
[04:41:27] phunyguy: isnt audio over HDMI usually just passthrough anyway?
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[04:41:33] phunyguy: i thought so anyway
[04:41:40] phunyguy: its line out]
[04:41:42] wagnerrp: phunyguy: depends
[04:41:42] phunyguy: out*
[04:41:51] wagnerrp: nvidia cards, its passthrough spdif
[04:41:55] phunyguy: you should still be able to mute it...
[04:41:58] phunyguy: just not volume
[04:42:05] wagnerrp: nvidia onboard, or ati use full sound hardware
[04:42:27] stonith: wagnerrp and phunyguy: nvidia onboard hdmi gigabyte motherboard
[04:42:38] phunyguy: but yeah anyway.... I am the SCCM admin
[04:42:49] phunyguy: (microsoft :( )
[04:42:56] dewman: ecck
[04:43:02] phunyguy: unfortunately we are a microsoft shop.
[04:43:09] phunyguy: but it pays well
[04:43:21] dewman: HPUX and AIX...
[04:43:24] dewman: =)
[04:43:25] wagnerrp: stonith: phunyguy is right, you *can* decode/recompress the audio, which would let you control the volume through myth
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[04:43:30] wagnerrp: but you really dont want to do that
[04:43:30] phunyguy: yeah i have hpux exp.
[04:43:41] wagnerrp: if youre doing digital audio properly, myth has no volume control
[04:43:49] stonith: wagnerrp, do you think alsa 'softvol' would be my solution?
[04:44:21] phunyguy: SCCM is actually quite impressive.
[04:44:21] wagnerrp: no
[04:44:26] phunyguy: (new name for SMS)
[04:44:34] stonith: wagnerrp: i think i am doing digital audio properly, myth is just sending the volume to my tv... this particular machine is just my frontend, so i'm just gonna output to tv speakers.
[04:44:35] dewman: I might be able to rebuild a db but getting mythtv up and running is a challange....
[04:44:45] wagnerrp: softvol is just a software volume controller rather than hardware
[04:44:58] phunyguy: in fact the whole System Center suite is pretty sweet (for microsoft products)
[04:45:03] wagnerrp: but if youre using digital audio, nothing should touch the audio stream before it hits the output device
[04:45:16] ** Ponty is still contending with this sleep versus talladega nights..... **
[04:45:20] stonith: wagnerrp: so in reality, just use volume controls from the tv?
[04:45:37] phunyguy: can do software deployments, OS Deployment, asset management
[04:45:38] wagnerrp: stonith: yes, thats the only sensible choice
[04:45:40] phunyguy: upodates
[04:45:42] phunyguy: updates*
[04:45:46] stonith: phunyguy: if you don't mind me asking, how much is 'pay well' in numbers?
[04:45:50] phunyguy: desired config management
[04:45:59] phunyguy: $21 an hour
[04:46:01] dewman: the only sensible choice...make me think if airplane...
[04:46:03] dewman: lol
[04:46:13] phunyguy: not DBA pay
[04:46:19] dewman: lol
[04:46:19] phunyguy: but its pretty good for no college.
[04:46:23] wagnerrp: well you might be able to rig it up to do the decoding locally, and then send multichannel PCM over HDMI
[04:46:29] wagnerrp: but i have no idea how to set that up in ALSA
[04:46:39] dewman: i dont even know the last time that I made 21 an hour..
[04:46:40] Shadow__X: heh i have been trying to find a job to no avail
[04:46:48] phunyguy: like i said
[04:46:51] phunyguy: its not DBA pay
[04:47:04] phunyguy: but i do believe I am underpaid
[04:47:05] dewman: I only make .32 cents an hour
[04:47:08] stonith: wagnerrp: that sounds more complicated than it already seem. I had much troubles compiling the latest kernel with 4GB of usuable cf card space. That wasn't fun.
[04:47:16] phunyguy: lawl.
[04:47:18] phunyguy: yeah right
[04:47:27] phunyguy: times what?
[04:47:40] dewman: taxes,401k,insurance,blah blah blah...
[04:47:51] phunyguy: true
[04:47:55] phunyguy: billz..
[04:47:57] dewman: i think i would make more selling lawnmowers.
[04:48:04] dewman: hehe
[04:48:04] wagnerrp: stonith: compile remotely, or mount your source directory from a NFS share
[04:48:17] phunyguy: my take home is usually $1330 26 times a year
[04:48:21] phunyguy: base pay
[04:48:23] phunyguy: but i get overtime
[04:48:29] phunyguy: plus oncall once every 6 weeks
[04:48:36] phunyguy: ($100 or so if i dont get called in)
[04:48:49] phunyguy: so it comes out to a little more
[04:49:19] dewman: yeah....I am going to not say anything..
[04:49:27] Shadow__X: where would you recommend someone without much experience to look for a job
[04:49:30] phunyguy: thanks :0
[04:49:32] phunyguy: :)
[04:49:34] dewman: lool
[04:49:44] phunyguy: www.navy.mil
[04:49:45] stonith: Shadow__X: to gain experience, intern.
[04:49:46] Shadow__X: i am working towards finishing my degree job market sucks
[04:49:55] phunyguy: the navy got me where I am
[04:49:59] dewman: yep... thats what i did..
[04:50:01] phunyguy: i was a squid for almost 7 years
[04:50:03] dewman: navy..
[04:50:06] phunyguy: :)
[04:50:19] phunyguy: rate?
[04:50:23] stonith: wagnerrp: thanks for your insight – i find that you answer quite a few of my questions.
[04:50:23] Shadow__X: if i was doing military i would do marines no navy
[04:50:31] phunyguy: oh bullet sponge! smart!
[04:50:34] phunyguy: durr..
[04:50:35] dewman: tin can or black sewer pipe?
[04:50:39] phunyguy: dont be retarded.
[04:50:41] dewman: rm4
[04:50:50] Shadow__X: phunyguy: yeah but best training
[04:50:50] phunyguy: 4?
[04:50:52] phunyguy: lol.
[04:51:00] Shadow__X: fighting
[04:51:01] phunyguy: RM
[04:51:02] Shadow__X: cmon
[04:51:08] Shadow__X: rm?
[04:51:10] phunyguy: musta been a long time ago
[04:51:11] dewman: RM e4. they got moved to et
[04:51:17] phunyguy: you mean RM3
[04:51:22] wagnerrp: stonith: careful with that, my 'insight' is often ' random speculation'
[04:51:22] phunyguy: and they got moved to IT
[04:51:26] phunyguy: which is what I was
[04:51:32] phunyguy: I was an IT2(SW)
[04:51:37] phunyguy: actually
[04:51:41] phunyguy: started FC
[04:51:48] phunyguy: was overmanned so i swapped
[04:52:10] phunyguy: IT is RM+DP merged
[04:52:27] phunyguy: in fact the advancement exams plus school was just the books from each
[04:52:37] phunyguy: i caught it right after the merge
[04:52:51] phunyguy: about a year after
[04:52:52] stonith: phunyguy: i guess hourly rate is a good thing. Sucks being salary and doing overtime.
[04:53:01] phunyguy: yeah by law i am hourly
[04:53:06] phunyguy: not sure what law
[04:53:11] phunyguy: but HR is very strict about it
[04:53:26] phunyguy: they tried to make me salary because I do all the software deplyoments on campus (5000 PCs)
[04:53:30] Shadow__X: anyone have wireless n here
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[04:53:38] phunyguy: and its usually in the middle of the night
[04:53:43] ozatomic: iamlindoro: this chanel is better
[04:53:51] dewman: I was out before they merged... but I had heard that they were doing it....
[04:53:51] phunyguy: so they pay me time and a half when i am awake for it
[04:54:03] ozatomic: can mythtv record from a compiset port, i can get it playing the video and the sound but its not recording
[04:54:06] wagnerrp: ozatomic: yes, correct channel for technical assistance
[04:54:08] dewman: e4(rm) ss
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[04:54:17] phunyguy: ahh
[04:54:22] phunyguy: sub guy
[04:54:24] wagnerrp: what is 'compiset'?
[04:54:27] dewman: yep
[04:54:28] phunyguy: my brother in law is a bubblehead
[04:54:32] iamlindoro: wagnerrp, Presumably "composite"
[04:54:33] dewman: ssn709
[04:54:35] phunyguy: MM1(SS)
[04:54:37] phunyguy: :P
[04:54:41] phunyguy: nuke MM
[04:54:44] ozatomic: composite
[04:54:48] phunyguy: made E6 after 3 years
[04:54:57] dewman: bilge buffer
[04:55:06] dewman: hehe
[04:55:07] phunyguy: has 8 years in and has been up for E7 for a few years
[04:55:08] wagnerrp: ah, if you have mythtv playing video and sound, it is recording
[04:55:09] phunyguy: lol
[04:55:18] stonith: Hey wagnerrp: do you have a creative idea how to 'wake' the frontend from suspend? The only thing i am controlling is using mythtv remote on the iphone
[04:55:19] wagnerrp: or do you mean you have a/v playback through some other program?
[04:55:21] phunyguy: took me over 5 years to make E5
[04:55:36] ozatomic: wagnerrp: well i press r to record it and then r to stop it then i go into /var/lib/mythtv/recordings and the mpeg file is 0 in size
[04:55:38] wagnerrp: stonith: from the iphone, you should be able to do WOL
[04:55:38] phunyguy: thanks to FC being full.
[04:55:42] dewman: I was a slacker...went to mast a few times..
[04:55:50] phunyguy: 1.9% advancement rate to E5
[04:55:51] wagnerrp: if you cant do WOL directly from the iphone, you should be able to control another machine to do so
[04:56:00] phunyguy: switched to IT
[04:56:01] phunyguy: 77%
[04:56:03] phunyguy: :O
[04:56:10] dewman: but holding ts, they didnt bang me to hard..
[04:56:13] ozatomic: wagnerrp: and also i can't see a way for it to schedule to record the composite port
[04:56:13] phunyguy: i made it top 1%
[04:56:27] phunyguy: there were like 3 guys above me
[04:56:32] stonith: wagnerrp: yah i think i can make a simple enough script on the iphone to do the WOL.
[04:56:36] wagnerrp: ozatomic: youre watching livetv over the composite input? and its currently working?
[04:56:47] phunyguy: (had all the points from taking the test as an FC then jumping to a rate with 77% advancement rate)
[04:57:00] dewman: MS?
[04:57:01] dewman: lol
[04:57:04] phunyguy: in other words all i had to do was pass the test
[04:57:12] dewman: YN?
[04:57:14] phunyguy: oh they are CS now
[04:57:14] dewman: lol
[04:57:18] phunyguy: went from FC to IT
[04:57:20] phunyguy: keep up
[04:57:21] phunyguy: :P
[04:57:24] stonith: phunyguy: hey related question to what you are talking about. Since you have military experience. How does a civilian obtain 'top secret' clearance for government jobs?
[04:57:33] phunyguy: hmmm
[04:57:36] phunyguy: its a bit tougher
[04:57:39] wagnerrp: stonith: you go through your employer
[04:57:40] dewman: yeah...FC and St and RM... all to the new IT
[04:57:46] phunyguy: normally has to be sponsored by a company
[04:57:47] ozatomic: wagnerrp: i'm watching foxtel over the composite and its currently working
[04:57:53] dewman: and then dont forget about OPP
[04:57:56] dewman: lol
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[04:57:59] wagnerrp: if your employer needs you to have clearance, they should know how to go about doing so
[04:58:11] dewman: yep..
[04:58:15] phunyguy: i still have a top secret/SCI for another year and change
[04:58:17] dewman: you cant just fill out a form
[04:58:25] stonith: wagnerrp: it just seems like a catch 22... need to have 'top secret' clearance before applying for a job
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[04:58:35] phunyguy: well they are looking for prior mil most likely
[04:58:38] wagnerrp: ozatomic: there is no difference between livetv and a recording
[04:58:47] stonith: if one was a civilian trying to obtain a goverment job that is
[04:58:48] wagnerrp: if you are watching livetv, you are recording it
[04:58:53] phunyguy: and the company has to pay for the clearance stuff
[04:59:00] phunyguy: so if you already have it
[04:59:03] phunyguy: they dont have to pay
[04:59:09] phunyguy: it just gets "reactivated"
[04:59:11] ozatomic: wagnerrp: hmmm, i'll go try it again
[04:59:32] phunyguy: took me 2 years to get my clearance too
[04:59:41] phunyguy: its a long process
[04:59:46] dewman: yepper
[04:59:47] phunyguy: they investigate your entire life.
[04:59:50] wagnerrp: 2 years? i thought it usually only takes a couple months
[04:59:55] dewman: they talk to your preschool teacher
[04:59:57] stonith: naw i heard it takes a long time
[04:59:58] phunyguy: sent the guys in black suits down my street back home
[05:00:02] phunyguy: took pictures of everyone
[05:00:04] phunyguy: houses
[05:00:05] phunyguy: etc
[05:00:10] wagnerrp: i guess that couple months was what they told us in college
[05:00:13] stonith: ok that sounds a lil farfetched now
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[05:00:20] phunyguy: well they did
[05:00:21] wagnerrp: when we didnt have any significant life to investigate
[05:00:24] phunyguy: dude it was after 9/11
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[05:00:26] dewman: yeah a few months is a lie
[05:00:46] phunyguy: i was in for 4 years before i even applied for it
[05:00:52] dewman: few months just to generate the paperwork
[05:01:03] phunyguy: it sucked
[05:01:07] phunyguy: i was at my new station
[05:01:12] phunyguy: with an escort badge for over a year
[05:01:22] phunyguy: in fact
[05:01:30] phunyguy: started the clearance paperwork when i went to school for IT
[05:01:33] phunyguy: 3 month school
[05:01:46] phunyguy: got to the new station and waited another year and 9 months
[05:01:57] phunyguy: got to not have an escort my final 3 months there
[05:02:05] dewman: and you did mother may i for that entire time..
[05:02:12] phunyguy: yep.
[05:02:14] dewman: err...almost..
[05:02:28] dewman: yep...yep...
[05:02:30] stonith: heh
[05:02:39] phunyguy: had to have an escort badge yet I was a DSM Subject Matter Expert and worked my way to up to Sysadmin
[05:02:46] phunyguy: DMS*
[05:02:48] ozatomic: wagnerrp: i get "4294967295_20090604144050.nuv" which is 1.2gb
[05:02:56] phunyguy: message center type stuff
[05:02:59] ozatomic: should it be converting itself to mpg
[05:03:01] phunyguy: new version of it
[05:03:01] wagnerrp: ewwww... framegrabbers
[05:03:06] phunyguy: used exchange 5.5 and X.400
[05:03:22] dewman: acck! exchange!!!
[05:03:24] wagnerrp: encoder and digital cards record to mpegs, framegrabbers record to nuvs
[05:03:26] phunyguy: yeah :-/
[05:03:31] phunyguy: especially echange 5.5
[05:03:34] ozatomic: nuv = bad?
[05:03:36] phunyguy: (NT days)
[05:03:41] wagnerrp: nuv = framegabber
[05:03:54] wagnerrp: or otherwise transcoded through mythtv
[05:04:00] ozatomic: maybe there is a way to get the card to use its mpg encoder
[05:04:12] dewman: yeah.... I know...I still have a few NT 4.0 discs laying around..
[05:04:12] wagnerrp: is the card an mpeg encoder?
[05:04:13] ozatomic: its a DTV2000h
[05:04:26] phunyguy: I was also doing VPN connectivity between stations
[05:04:38] phunyguy: (Hawaii, California, Washington, Japan, Virginia, etc)
[05:04:52] phunyguy: we used Juniper Netscreens
[05:05:00] dewman: wow....
[05:05:03] phunyguy: the cool part was...
[05:05:16] phunyguy: the Secret network tunneled over the internet with crypto gear
[05:05:25] phunyguy: Top Secret Tunneled through that
[05:05:31] phunyguy: using special crypto gear
[05:05:39] phunyguy: the netscreens were just for unclass vpn connectivity
[05:05:48] ozatomic: wagnerrp: i'm pritty sure it has mpeg encoder. it records my DTV fine
[05:05:51] dewman: juniper is still around...
[05:05:55] phunyguy: yeah
[05:06:03] phunyguy: we use the same hardware at the hospital.
[05:06:07] dewman: not sure how big they are..
[05:06:15] phunyguy: they make good firewall appliances
[05:06:18] dewman: compared to C****
[05:06:25] phunyguy: gasp
[05:06:30] phunyguy: not the C word
[05:06:32] dewman: yep...$$$
[05:06:32] phunyguy: :P
[05:06:43] phunyguy: the human network.
[05:06:58] phunyguy: :P
[05:07:00] wagnerrp: ozatomic: that card does not appear to be an mpeg encoder card
[05:07:09] dewman: lol
[05:07:20] phunyguy: i gave up on CCNA too
[05:07:35] phunyguy: was getting ready to get out and was trying to crank that course out before i did
[05:07:42] phunyguy: needed 849 to pass the exam
[05:07:45] phunyguy: got an 847.
[05:07:50] phunyguy: two weeks later, 834
[05:07:54] phunyguy: so i gave up.
[05:07:55] phunyguy: lol
[05:08:00] dewman: alright.... i gotta goto bed... i have a Db that needs to be rebuilt tomorrow and I went to the bar tonight...
[05:08:06] Ponty: ... yer getting dummer by the day???
[05:08:12] ** Ponty 's had those days. **
[05:08:15] phunyguy: guess so ponty
[05:08:18] phunyguy: :P
[05:08:20] Ponty: 'Cept it usually works on an hourly basis.
[05:08:24] phunyguy: that test was BAAAD
[05:08:34] dewman: the wife might be upset if i fall asleep on the couch...
[05:08:34] ozatomic: wagnerrp: ok i got another card here aswell. Osprey 230
[05:08:36] phunyguy: live simulators, etc
[05:08:47] phunyguy: ninite dewman
[05:08:59] dewman: nite phunguy,,,
[05:09:00] phunyguy: time for me to go to bed too
[05:09:08] phunyguy: PONTY.
[05:09:10] phunyguy: GO TO BED.
[05:09:13] phunyguy: JEEZ.
[05:09:21] Ponty: ... might be a good idea. {chuckle}
[05:09:32] phunyguy: sleep.
[05:09:58] wagnerrp: ozatomic: also does not appear to be an mpeg encoder
[05:10:24] ozatomic: fuck
[05:10:42] ozatomic: so they are usless for doing this stuff
[05:11:02] wagnerrp: do you know the difference betwen a framegrabber, a mpeg encoder, and a digital card
[05:11:34] ozatomic: not really
[05:11:38] ozatomic: where are you getting this list from
[05:11:58] wagnerrp: a framegrabber literally captures individual frames, and feeds them to a spot in memory
[05:12:11] wagnerrp: either for direct output on screen, or for capture and recording by the CPU
[05:12:33] ozatomic: does the mpeg encoder on the cards do the sound aswell?
[05:12:33] wagnerrp: an mpeg encoder is the same as a framegrabber, except encoding is done internally, and it feeds a mpeg stream to the cpu
[05:12:37] wagnerrp: yes
[05:12:58] wagnerrp: a digital card is a completely different beast, and just captures pre-encoded mpeg transport streams
[05:13:00] ozatomic: have you got a lsit of mpeg encoders
[05:13:12] wagnerrp: your leadtek card has both a framegrabber and a digital tuner
[05:13:22] ozatomic: yeah we are using them for the dtv
[05:13:28] ozatomic: we were hoing to use it for both
[05:13:48] wagnerrp: you can use it for both digital and analog, but probably not both at once
[05:14:04] ozatomic: yeah but if tis not a mpeg encoder i can onylsue it for dtv
[05:14:19] ozatomic: as i need a card to capture the compisite ports video/audio to recorde it
[05:14:38] wagnerrp: well that seems to be what your framegrabber is doing currently
[05:14:47] wagnerrp: and then mythtv is compressing that to a nuv
[05:16:09] wagnerrp: however if you need to capture analog, its suggested you use an IVTV card
[05:16:15] wagnerrp: check ivtvdriver.org for compatible cards
[05:16:43] ozatomic: ok thank you so much for your help
[05:18:35] ozatomic: ok we found the right card finally
[05:18:38] ozatomic: we gota box full of them :)
[05:18:46] ozatomic: Hauppauge code and it has a mpeg chip on it
[05:18:54] ozatomic: code = card
[05:19:15] wagnerrp: when you add those, set them up as an mpeg encoder, not a v4l card
[05:19:23] ozatomic: ok will do
[05:19:24] ozatomic: thanks
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[05:32:32] Ponty: Is it good when you have the headphones on, the bass going so loud, that you can feel the speakers vibrate on your ear lobes?
[05:33:20] wagnerrp: those are some impressive headphones to physically feel the base
[05:33:51] Ponty: Almost $100 set. Sony MDR-V300.
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[05:35:44] Ponty: Bought 'em at walmart a couple years ago. Aside from the actual headphones wanting to fall out of the head band every once in a while, very nice set. I actually purchased them because they had a very long wire. Got the good audio I want out of them too. :]
[05:36:00] Ponty: As for me, bed time... now that my ears are ringing. heh
[05:36:21] wagnerrp: bleh, supra-aural
[05:36:38] Ponty: They work for me.
[05:37:04] wagnerrp: never been happy with how those feel
[05:37:26] Ponty: I hate buds. With a passion, I hate buds.
[05:37:32] wagnerrp: my last pair of sennheisers had a flat face (rather than a donut on your ear) and were acceptable
[05:37:37] wagnerrp: but i prefer circumaural
[05:38:33] wagnerrp: although my earbuds are fantastic, if not for the 3' cable
[05:39:52] Ponty: I gots ta go to bed. Freak'n long drive to lose a kid for the day, but it'll be worth it. heh
[05:40:06] wagnerrp: night
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[05:42:54] ozatomic: wagnerrp: so far so good now. While watching it via the frontend we get sound/video and it records while we are watching it. But how can we set scedules on it
[05:43:24] wagnerrp: you have to find an xmltv provider in your area
[05:43:38] ozatomic: but its the compisite port
[05:43:40] ozatomic: it doesn't ahve a guide
[05:43:46] wagnerrp: dont know anything about that, the US uses schedulesdirect, and its largely automatic
[05:43:57] wagnerrp: the composite port is recording off a cable box, right?
[05:44:05] ozatomic: yeah it will be
[05:44:14] wagnerrp: so theres your guide data
[05:44:23] wagnerrp: get scheduling information about your cableco
[05:44:45] ozatomic: so it just has to have cahnnels assigned to it
[05:45:00] ozatomic: even thou it can't actually cahnge the cahnnel
[05:45:14] wagnerrp: you assign channels to it, and then you set up an ir blaster to change the channels on the cable box
[05:45:24] ozatomic: arh ok
[05:45:26] wagnerrp: you tell it to use an external script with the ir blaster, rather than the tuner
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[06:21:58] pat_: ok, this is a stupid question which is probably in a faq somewhere but I can't find the answer. I've got a master backend which has the recordings directory (/var/lib/mythtv/recordings) exported via nfs for use in the slave backend. Is there any way to make mythweb think it is one drive under "status/machine information"?
[06:23:08] wagnerrp: if the share is mounted in the same location on both machine, mythtv should recognize it as one drive
[06:24:44] pat_: it isn't a share on the first machine, just a partition. from there it is shared.
[06:25:14] pat_: (sorry for the yoda grammar in that message)
[06:25:41] wagnerrp: myth doesnt know a share from a mount from a directory
[06:25:57] wagnerrp: its all the same as far as most applications care
[06:26:36] pat_: http://pastebin.com/m150380ce is what I've got
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[06:27:20] pat_: chook mounts the nfs share. I guess I'll have to use nfs to mount it in the same place on both machines
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[06:28:45] wagnerrp: maybe thats one of the things changed since 0.21 branched off
[06:28:56] wagnerrp: http://pastebin.com/m52bd5853
[06:29:49] pat_: aah, ok. I see. so until 0.22 I'll need to do as I said above, after that the "problem" is solved.
[06:30:04] pat_: it isn't really a problem, more cosmetic. everything still works fine.
[06:30:20] wagnerrp: you dont have to mount on both machines using nfs
[06:30:25] wagnerrp: just the one machine that cant mount directly
[06:30:41] pat_: yep, that's what I'm doing now
[06:30:46] wagnerrp: but an NFS mount is no different than a local disk mount
[06:30:58] wagnerrp: and most programs dont care that from a normal directory
[06:31:27] wagnerrp: there IS some issue that you cannot store video to the root of a mount
[06:31:32] wagnerrp: but i dont remember the reason why
[06:40:20] pat_: (I actually mount /var/lib/mythtv so that if the recordings directory doesn't exist it doesn't fill the drive)
[06:40:55] wagnerrp: that may be what the issue is
[06:41:20] wagnerrp: if you record to the root directory, and your recording drive doesnt mount, you will record to the parent mount
[06:41:43] wagnerrp: which may very well be a small couple GB root partition
[06:42:14] pat_: anyway, thanks
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[06:43:18] wagnerrp: ugh... iron butterfly needs to crawl out of their respective graves and reunite
[06:43:43] wagnerrp: at least the '68 in-a-gadda-da-vida sounds like ass
[06:43:53] wagnerrp: i dont know about the '95 remastering
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[06:45:51] pat_: oh, that brings me to another question in my virtualization quest. Can you run a master backend in a vm with a "dummy" tuner, and have all your real tuners in slave backends? If so which tuner type should I use?
[06:46:20] wagnerrp: you can run your master backend in a vm with no tuner
[06:46:27] pat_: really?
[06:46:32] wagnerrp: its not supported, its not advised, but i dont have any problem with it
[06:46:33] pat_: I thought the master needed a tuner
[06:46:38] pat_: ok, cool. ta
[06:46:45] wagnerrp: but why would you want to put mythbackend in a VM?
[06:46:53] wagnerrp: why this virtualization quest?
[06:47:13] pat_: so when I get some hdhomerun dvb-t boxes I can be down to one machine
[06:47:34] wagnerrp: what does that have to do with virtualization?
[06:47:36] pat_: the virtualization quest is to save power and get rid of the number of machines I currently run
[06:47:44] pat_: this is just one service I run at home
[06:48:09] wagnerrp: do these services run on different operating systems?
[06:48:12] pat_: putting the master in a vm makes it easy to do recovery in the event of a machine collapse
[06:49:11] pat_: yeah... it is complicated (overly)
[06:49:11] wagnerrp: no, i mean do they all run on linux 2.6?
[06:49:11] pat_: some of them do
[06:49:11] wagnerrp: or do some run on different kernel versions, OSX, and Windows
[06:49:14] pat_: in the end the host will be solarisish in flavour
[06:49:29] pat_: with zfs and snapshots
[06:50:02] wagnerrp: well freebsd has terrible support for tuner cards
[06:50:06] wagnerrp: i assume solaris is the same
[06:50:17] wagnerrp: i dont know how easily you can provide hardware access to VMs
[06:50:25] pat_: that's why the master backend in a vm, with hdhomerun dvb tuners
[06:50:53] wagnerrp: the hdhomerun is just a network pipe, it does not need hardware access, and can be used by backends on either OS
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[06:51:05] wagnerrp: (if you can get the backend compiled under solaris)
[06:51:22] pat_: which I don't want to try doing, I'm happy with a linux vm to run myth
[06:52:01] wagnerrp: anyway, my point is... very few people use virtualization properly
[06:52:47] wagnerrp: the point of virtualization is running multiple OSs, running testbeds, and allowing simple migration of VMs across different hardware platforms
[06:52:57] wagnerrp: if youre just doing it for isolation, youre doing it wrong
[06:53:14] wagnerrp: your better off with solaris zones, freebsd jails, or linux vservers
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[06:53:34] pat_: I'm doing it to make it easy to do disaster recovery. When the physical machine dies I
[06:53:44] pat_: 'll just move the backup to different hardware
[06:54:03] pat_: and be up and running as soon as I boot the backup in my desktop machine
[06:54:25] wagnerrp: well thats the migration across different hardware part
[06:55:06] wagnerrp: anyway, im just throwing out different ideas
[06:55:19] wagnerrp: i currently run my master backend on freebsd/zfs
[06:55:39] wagnerrp: i could just as easily put it in an isolated jail as my main image
[06:56:04] wagnerrp: and i used to record off my HDHR with it on 0.21... although for some reason, trunk fails to access it under freebsd
[06:56:12] wagnerrp: i havent gotten around to figuring that one out yet
[06:56:28] pat_: so basically you're already doing what I thought of doing
[06:56:50] wagnerrp: not exactly
[06:56:54] wagnerrp: i use jails, not VMs
[06:57:10] wagnerrp: jails are just an isolation mechanism
[06:57:41] wagnerrp: they run off their own IP, in isolated memory, isolated kernel space, and limited hardware access
[06:57:53] wagnerrp: but its not running off virtualized hardware, its just isolated
[06:58:01] pat_: I use vm so that I can run different versions. A new distro for mythtv, something stable for services etc.
[06:58:37] wagnerrp: you can do that with jails, so long as you can use the same kernel for everything
[06:58:44] pat_: plus, I really like being able to plug in a backup and have it going in 5 minutes
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[06:59:25] wagnerrp: you can migrate jails over so long as its sufficiently similar hardware
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[07:00:47] wagnerrp: i can take my jails and dump them onto probably any x86_64 freebsd machine
[07:01:23] wagnerrp: virtualization would let you move that from an opteron to an itanium or niagara
[07:01:40] wagnerrp: or move from one system to another without shutting the system down
[07:01:58] pat_: it is certainly something to think about
[07:03:20] wagnerrp: basically, its all a matter of performance
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[07:03:28] wagnerrp: virtualization is going to cause a major hit
[07:04:07] wagnerrp: newer hardware that can execute instructions on the bare hardware improves that considerably, but its still not going to approach running things directly
[07:04:24] wagnerrp: and the only hit you take with jails/vservers and the like is increased memory usage
[07:05:11] pat_: I can live with the speed hit, none of these is a build box
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[07:19:34] sidh: greetings gentlemen
[07:20:33] sidh: i'm choosing hardware for my future first HTPC, of course i read the GREAT mythTV wiki (and related v4l and son on wikis)
[07:21:05] sidh: but i would have a general question (that i can't found answers on wiki)
[07:22:04] sidh: is there any advantage/disadvantage between PCI and PCI-express TNT TV Card ?
[07:25:09] wagnerrp: TNT?
[07:28:47] pat_: isn't there lousy support for pci-e tuner cards?
[07:29:21] wagnerrp: rather theres lousy market for PCI-e tuner cards
[07:29:28] wagnerrp: theres only a handful made
[07:29:48] wagnerrp: lot more selection among PCI parts
[07:31:14] wagnerrp: i take it back, the '95 iron butterfy album sucks
[07:31:37] wagnerrp: they found an original, did a nice high quality remastering of it
[07:32:01] wagnerrp: and then in proper 90's fashion, they went and compressed the piss out of it
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[07:49:19] sidh: wagnerrp: sorry TNT=DVB-T
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[07:50:17] sidh: but i just see on some harware resseller that hauppauge is lying , they sell Nova TD-500 as T-500
[07:50:37] sidh: and of course the support by linux is not the same
[07:51:22] wagnerrp: there was some issue like that back with the 150/1600
[07:51:37] wagnerrp: 1600s were being sold in 150 boxes
[07:51:42] wagnerrp: and the linux support wasnt there yet
[07:51:50] wagnerrp: windows users were happy, linux were not
[07:54:07] wagnerrp: looks like both the T-500 and TD-500 are supported now
[07:54:18] wagnerrp: but that doesnt explain your question, since theyre both PCI cards
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[08:29:10] sidh: wagnerrp: sorry for the delay between my answers (customers calls)
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[08:30:34] sidh: wagnerrp: i was wondering between this PCI card and the Terratec Cinergy 2400i DT
[08:30:51] sidh: and the last is PCI-e
[08:33:17] sidh: but as i can see the hauppauge PCI is well appreciated, so i will buy it . Furthermore my favourite OS (FreeBSD) has support fort some haupauge cards, if this doesn't work with FreeBSD, i'll go with knoppmyth i think
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[09:17:17] gbee: ouch, emusic is pulling out of every market except the US and there they've raised prices between 80–200%
[09:19:20] hashbang: http://accessories.euro.dell.com/sna/productd . . . 36f#Overview # yum
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[09:23:23] peque: sidh:_ I have 3 Hauppauge HVR-4000 running (PCI) very perfectly with DVB-S and DVB-S2 – Smoothly in a "under the stairs" solution with 3TV
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[10:25:22] sidh: peque: under the stars ?
[10:25:27] sidh: stairs
[10:29:21] peque: Yes – The server(MBE) is placed in the garage and all frontends using LAN
[10:32:14] peque: sidh:_ http://linux.pbj-design.dk/myth_system.jsp you can see the setup her
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[11:37:06] gbee: finally, 1Tb SSDs are here
[11:38:14] stevecam: gbee, show me :-)
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[11:47:10] FR^2: MythTV rules!
[11:49:41] gbee: stevecam: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/06/04/ocz_colossus/
[11:50:11] gbee: only £2200
[11:51:47] gbee: twice as fast as any HDD :)
[11:57:25] stevecam: its good to see that they are producing that, the price of 1TB will drop dramaticly over the next few years
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[12:02:51] tuntun: Hi. I can watch dvb fine in windows. Why is mythtv stopping after half a second and cpu usage at %100?
[12:03:38] stevecam: tuntun, HD?
[12:04:10] tuntun: no.
[12:05:35] tuntun: dvb works great in Kaffeine though...
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[12:08:32] gbee: that's why logs exist
[12:09:32] gbee: my guess would be that you are using the wrong video driver, no XVideo support ... but I could be wrong
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[12:12:43] ** stuarta tips cap **
[12:17:07] ** FR^2 tips his caps **
[12:17:43] stuarta: i only wear one at a time
[12:17:50] stuarta: but have many :-p
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[12:33:59] Bernmeister: Have a Digitech Windows Media Center Remote (with USB receiver). Selected Windows MCE (both types) in the Mythbuntu 9.04 remote setup. Most buttons work, but some do not. Can someone walk me through how to reconfigure the remote? I've tried irrecord but it boots me out. If I can get irrecord to generate a new lircd.conf file I can then go from there to a lircrc file.
[12:35:44] laga: Bernmeister: i guess you need ot adjust your .lircrc – this is best done by adding an include to your existing one
[12:35:59] laga: might give you trouble if you re-map existing keys
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[12:36:43] laga: so making a new one is also an option. make sure to keep a copy in a safe place  – mythbuntu-control-centre might overwrite it if you're not careful
[12:36:57] Bernmeister: Thanks – will do.
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[12:48:55] Bernmeister: I've looked at my .lircrc (really ~/.lirc/mythtv): the Stop button is mapped to the Escape key. But hitting the stop button does nothing. So I guess I need to verify that the lircd.conf file is indeed correct for my remote. Apart from irrecord, can I get the values for button presses for my remote? How can I verify if the right driver is being used?
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[12:51:01] laga: Bernmeister: irw
[12:54:26] Bernmeister: Yep, tried that – but it'll echo the numeric buttons, and garbage control characters for others. How do people generate the hex values for the button presses?
[12:55:47] laga: ah, i guess X is using the input driver
[12:56:01] laga: not sure how to handle that from the top of my hat
[12:56:09] Bernmeister: Drat
[12:57:12] Bernmeister: Do you know of a tutorial for going from pluggin in a usb ir device, verifying it's there, getting keys into a lircd.conf? There's such a gap in this area for a new kid!
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[13:51:13] FR^2: Hmm. I found some howto on a self-made infrared receiver (USB) for about 10 EUR... But I can't find it anymore. Any hints?
[13:51:30] honk: errh.. buy one on ebay for the same price
[13:52:03] FR^2: Or amazon, or.. yes, I know.
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[13:59:26] Hoxzer: FR^2: You could get a receiver for your DVB-card. but usually those are not as "compatible" as self made IR-receivers are with custom remotes
[13:59:53] FR^2: I don't have a DVB card ;) Not yet, at least :( – But I'm planning to buy one.
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[14:00:36] FR^2: DVB-T sucks (only 12 channels here...), so a terratec cinercy pci DVB-C card will be bought, but I don't know quite, when.
[14:00:53] FR^2: And when I have one, I probably want to have another harddisc for recordings...
[14:01:51] hashbang: FR^2: don't judge DVB-T on the basis of channel count; the tech is adequate, but even though the UK has 80 odd channels, about 76 of them suck.
[14:02:20] FR^2: hehe, true.
[14:04:03] hashbang: boo :-( : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quest_(TV_channel)
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[14:05:59] FR^2: Main issue for me is that I like to view english tv series in original sound, because dubbed versions... erm... how do I say it politely? ;)
[14:06:52] hashbang: ist scheisser?
[14:07:52] hashbang: FR^2: annoyingly, for you, they /could/ broadcast two audio streams; dubbed and original
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[14:08:55] FR^2: Yes, they could do many things ;)
[14:09:11] hashbang: FR^2: I believe we use that facility for audio description for deaf viewers
[14:09:16] hashbang: FR^2: also maybe in Wales
[14:09:16] FR^2: They could even broadcast in HD, but they don't.
[14:09:49] hashbang: FR^2: it'll probably come to .de soon enough
[14:10:07] clever: hashbang: i found a deaf channel at 888 on my line-up
[14:10:09] Hoxzer: hashbang: UK has 80 free channels ?
[14:10:15] clever: TAC, the accessible channel
[14:10:21] FR^2: They announced it – on the other hand: Who would want to view _all_ that crap in HD? *g*
[14:10:28] Hoxzer: aaw...
[14:10:39] Hoxzer: :/ In my cable I have like ~20
[14:10:45] hashbang: FR^2: I'm hopeful that DVB-T2 will just be codec hackery over existing DVB-T, so my current DVB-T cards will continue to work, but MythTV might need some H.264 love
[14:11:22] FR^2: In Bonn, I had 34 channels via DVB-T, here it's down to 12 ;)
[14:11:52] hashbang: mysql> select count(chanid) from channel;
[14:11:52] hashbang: +---------------+
[14:11:52] hashbang: | count(chanid) |
[14:11:52] hashbang: +---------------+
[14:11:52] hashbang: | 88 |
[14:11:52] hashbang: +---------------+
[14:11:54] hashbang: 1 row in set (0.00 sec)
[14:12:12] highzeth: # of channels is irrelevant, I have thousands, but only a fraction of them contain something worthwhile ;)
[14:12:35] hashbang: Hoxzer: lots of +1 hour offset duplicates, shopping channels, radio, though...
[14:12:55] FR^2: highzeth: Indeed
[14:12:55] hashbang: Hoxzer: and a few share multiplex space with others, so neither broadcast 24/7
[14:13:23] FR^2: Oh, what would we do without those shopping channels?
[14:13:57] hashbang: FR^2: wonder how low you can push the bitrate before the picture becomes an artifacted mess? ;-)
[14:13:59] sidh: gbee: ssd are fast while reading data
[14:14:04] sidh: not writing
[14:14:30] FR^2: "...and if you order now, you'll get this nice combined washer and dryer, too! But that's not all! If you..."
[14:15:40] sidh: in the architecture i planned for mythTV at home, KnoppMyth will run on a 8Gb ssd , and will write recorded programs on a NFS ZFS server
[14:16:18] iamlindoro: hashbang, version of DVB-T/S/C/etc. doesn't pertain to codec at all-- you can do h.264 just fine on the initial versions of all
[14:16:46] iamlindoro: hashbang, DVB is codec-agnostic-- you could broadcast text files if you really wanted to, or Ogg, or Quicktime, or whatever
[14:16:51] sidh: like this no fan will be needed (or a little silent one) , and no noise in the living
[14:17:16] hashbang: iamlindoro: sure. It's DVB-T2 I'm curious about; whether it'll up the bitrate and thus require new receivers.
[14:17:23] iamlindoro: hashbang, The newer versions add new modulations, which expand bandwidth, allowing for more channels-- new hardware will without a doubt be required
[14:17:30] iamlindoro: hashbang, it will, and it will.
[14:17:40] hashbang: iamlindoro: arse.
[14:18:22] ** hashbang . o O ( "it's all money, this computing hobby lark, isn't it?" **
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[14:31:01] sidh: what type of amplifier can use with a mythTV box
[14:31:06] sidh: ?
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[14:40:18] jams: pretty much whatever you have and that your soundcard and amp have some connections in common
[14:40:32] jams: analog, optical, coax
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[15:15:29] gbee: sidh: latest gen SSDs can still manage read speeds of 2x that of a HDD
[15:15:48] laga: yes, but random writes are horrible sometimes
[15:15:53] laga: i wish the intel ssds got cheaper :(
[15:16:06] laga: i could afford one for 300€, but 80GB is not going to do me much good
[15:16:23] laga: maybe for the desktop, but i find that box fast enough
[15:16:53] stuarta: only reason i'd bother with a SSD is for a backend
[15:16:59] gbee: sorry, I meant _write_ speeds
[15:17:14] stuarta: keep all the OS / mysql / myth etc on the SSD
[15:17:31] gbee: obviously read speeds are from 2x to 4x HDDs
[15:17:35] stuarta: put all recordings onto normal disks and set spindown times on them
[15:17:48] laga: stuarta: a good SSD will make your computer fly. at leas that's the word on the streets :)
[15:18:05] stuarta: aye, they used to use them on news servers
[15:18:18] stuarta: where they would destroy a physical disk within 3 months
[15:18:27] laga: they had SSDs in the 80ties? ;)
[15:18:34] stuarta: yeah
[15:18:38] stuarta: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
[15:18:43] gbee: don't need to put recordings on an SSD, the speed/power advantages don't play out, but the OS disk ... weee
[15:18:44] stuarta: now only $$$$$
[15:19:24] gbee: these days I'd always opt for an SSD in a portable device, but maybe that's just me
[15:20:26] stuarta: justifing the expense is hard tho
[15:20:47] laga: stuarta: speed. good for the desktop.
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[15:33:59] GreyFoxx: hrm, looks like it'stime to renew my SD subscription
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[15:34:14] GreyFoxx: information should be free man!
[15:34:18] GreyFoxx: ;)
[15:34:36] laga: yeah
[15:34:40] laga: can't we push it over nttp?
[15:34:48] laga: nntp, sorry :)
[15:34:58] GreyFoxx: heh I'm sure we could :)
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[15:35:47] GreyFoxx: guess I'll just have to fork over the $20usd and eat cat food and ramen
[15:35:49] GreyFoxx: hehe
[15:36:11] laga: hum. i wonder if there are common synonyms for "car manufacturer" besides "car maker"
[15:36:19] ** laga doing silly information extraction homework **
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[15:36:35] laga: GreyFoxx: i hear dog food is cheaper because the boxes are bigger
[15:36:50] sid3windr: automotive producer!
[15:36:50] wagnerrp: someone needs to teach Trogod proper use of a wiki
[15:36:55] RyeBrye: SSD? Nah – I'm all about Ram disks: http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GC-RAMDISK-i-R . . . p/B000EPM9NC <-- and maybe have a few of them in a RAID so when the battery dies, you don't lose everything ;)
[15:36:55] GreyFoxx: ooh yeah... plus if I use milkbones I could sop them in milk
[15:37:24] laga: sid3windr: thanks
[15:37:34] sid3windr: I don't know if it's common
[15:37:44] sid3windr: I just invented it after thinking half a minute of other synonyms :p
[15:37:50] laga: sid3windr: in a 650MB corpus, i get at least one match ;)
[15:38:01] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: No kidding
[15:38:11] sid3windr: i'll msg you my paypal :>
[15:38:21] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Could move all that garbage back into his user page and mark it all for deletion
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[15:38:34] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: ah, which you've done :)
[15:38:40] wagnerrp: well i just marked all his spurious empty pages for deletion
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[15:38:55] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: The TrogodSystem1 page should get moved back to his user page too IMO
[15:40:05] wagnerrp: you can make subpages for users right?
[15:40:59] laga: yes
[15:43:07] wagnerrp: and theres a 'TrogoodSystem'... he cant even spell his name right
[15:46:35] wagnerrp: ok, sawdust has been spread on the wikivomit
[15:48:43] wagnerrp: someone want to clean up the 'Ready for deletion' pages?
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[15:56:59] iamlindoro: laga: It's okay, the truly clueless users have all already switched to JYA-TV
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[15:57:45] laga: heh
[15:58:15] iamlindoro: It's really going to be mayhem in a few days when he finishes his ffmpeg backport
[15:58:33] laga: from turnk to -fixes? or from upstream?
[15:58:41] laga: s/turnk/trunk/
[15:58:46] iamlindoro: your guess is as good as mine, but one of those
[15:58:56] RyeBrye: It'd be tragic if he did some backport that touched the db and broke everyones upgrade path
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[15:59:18] iamlindoro: RyeBrye: He already includes an easy one-line config switch that backports HD-PVR support and does just that
[15:59:27] ** RyeBrye facepalms **
[15:59:39] RyeBrye: doesn't he also ask for donations?
[15:59:42] sphery: they'll have to manually run some SQL to un-upgrade it before they can upgrade
[15:59:47] iamlindoro: And those people who have trouble, pardon my indelicacy, can suck my balls when .22 comes out
[16:00:13] RyeBrye: careful what you say... some might switch just for that opportunity
[16:00:14] wagnerrp: are they salty chocolate or scheweddy balls?
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[16:00:27] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Depends on time of day ;)
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[16:09:28] iamlindoro: Wow, David Carradine died in some Bangkok hotel
[16:09:55] wagnerrp: the kung guy?
[16:09:56] sphery: is he the csi: miami guy?
[16:09:59] wagnerrp: kung fu
[16:10:03] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: yeah
[16:10:03] sphery: oh, wait, that's caruso
[16:10:07] iamlindoro: Kwai Chang Kane
[16:10:20] sphery: not Lt Cane :)
[16:10:29] iamlindoro: or Bill from Kill Bill
[16:13:07] ** iamlindoro sends a KOIP packet at JYA **
[16:13:13] AndyCap: Death Race 2000.
[16:13:43] wagnerrp: iamlindoro: 400 points if you drive over him instead
[16:14:00] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: Plus, I'd get an Aussie vacation out of it
[16:14:03] sid3windr: I guess they finally Killed Bill eh.
[16:14:04] sid3windr: :[
[16:14:15] AndyCap: oh my. they remade death race 2000. Heh, I thought the title was a bit similar
[16:14:31] wagnerrp: well... kinda
[16:14:39] wagnerrp: i dont remember the original having anything to do with convicts
[16:15:12] AndyCap: Haven't seen the new one. but yeah, don't think convicts were mentioned
[16:15:26] AndyCap: of course, I guess bonus points for babycarriages isn't PC. :P
[16:15:55] wagnerrp: ive not seen the remake, aside from trailers
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[16:27:56] stevecam: lol
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[16:56:33] gbee: iamlindoro: he didn't just die, he died in a way that is pretty embarrassing for his family
[16:57:15] gbee: which incidentally the BBC decided to edit out of it's later reports
[16:57:25] gbee: or at least carefully reworded
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[16:58:02] wagnerrp: heart attack while... active?
[16:58:03] iamlindoro: gbee: What was the initial report?
[16:58:35] gbee: would the death of Fox Mulder be too obscure a reference?
[16:58:50] wagnerrp: i stopped watching long before that
[16:59:04] laga: i assume fox mulder didn't die while doing scully
[16:59:17] laga: wait, fox mulder didn't die at all
[17:00:14] gbee: wagnerrp: he doesn't actually die in the series, but his death is predicted by a clairvoyant – anyway, Carradine was found naked, hanging in a wardrobe "with rope around his genitals" according to the BBC
[17:00:39] gbee: aka auto-erotic asphyxiation
[17:00:53] wagnerrp: heh... so 'hanged himself' isnt quite correct
[17:00:55] laga: he's breathing through his penis?
[17:02:22] iamlindoro: He knows Kung Fu, they can do anything
[17:02:42] iamlindoro: or, perhaps more appropriately, his inability to breathe through the penis may have been the problem
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[17:05:00] gbee: hey I'm not going to explain the mechanics of autoerotic asphyxiation, that's what the internets for
[17:05:07] gbee: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0751092/quotes
[17:05:46] wagnerrp: http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=5yz4uu&s=5
[17:05:53] laga: oh, i think i remember that episode
[17:06:39] wagnerrp: thats pretty damn esoteric
[17:08:06] laga: esoteric?
[17:08:13] laga: how's that esoteric?
[17:08:53] gbee: laga: definitely one of the funnier ones, which is probably why those particular lines stuck in my memory
[17:09:13] wagnerrp: remembering some comment about mulder's fake death
[17:09:20] laga: gbee: watching season 5 these days..
[17:09:36] wagnerrp: or was there more than just the one line?
[17:10:00] wagnerrp: i guess esoteric implies more 'secret'
[17:10:05] iamlindoro: Jesus Christ, is trogod not aware that you can *edit* pages, and that you don't actually have to move things to new pages?
[17:11:10] iamlindoro: anyway, gbee or anyone else available, there are about a dozen pages ready or deletion by this guy, courtesy of wagnerrp's patient editing
[17:11:26] gbee: wagnerrp: guess you have to see the scene and context, or maybe I've just got a funny memory for these things
[17:12:02] wagnerrp: i was never really a dedicated watcher
[17:12:16] wagnerrp: but i think i saw maybe two episodes after season 6
[17:13:52] wagnerrp: so the red2blue thing wants the case cover? thing between the case and the clear plastic wrap?
[17:14:24] iamlindoro: wagnerrp: yep
[17:14:25] wagnerrp: i thought they just wanted the insert, but theres seemingly no identification code on either of these
[17:15:28] iamlindoro: They want the whole insert sheet
[17:15:40] iamlindoro: ie you should be left with a plain red case
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[17:21:54] wagnerrp: so then... ads and 'how to use double sided disk' is trashed
[17:22:45] laga: ads?
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[17:23:02] wagnerrp: yeah, 'buy these other movies from WB on HDDVD'
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[17:29:36] iamlindoro: Now you'll never find out what hot new titles are coming to HD-DVD
[17:31:14] iamlindoro: http://www.fcc.gov/mb/engineering/maps/
[17:31:15] iamlindoro: Nice
[17:33:34] iamlindoro: You can click on the individual stations and be shown the location of tower and line of sight
[17:35:48] wagnerrp: ill have to try out OTA next week
[17:35:56] wagnerrp: see if any of the local stations bumped up their power
[17:36:37] wagnerrp: im a couple miles from the stations, but in a hole
[17:36:46] wagnerrp: so i cant quite pick up everything cleanly with bunny ears
[17:36:49] iamlindoro: tvfool will show you power levels before/after
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[17:40:56] wagnerrp: woo... mass deletion by gbee
[17:41:29] wagnerrp: only 8 for trogod
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[17:44:44] clever: i can allmost get a digital signal in my province
[17:44:52] clever: but it seems to stop just half way thru:P
[17:45:19] laga: sshfs is awesome. i just wish i had a fast connection
[17:45:26] clever: though i am finding alot of holes in the usa also
[17:49:52] laga: we need more CPUs with a "halt and spontaenously combust" opcode
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[17:50:06] laga: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halt_and_Catch_F . . . h_HCF_opcode
[17:51:22] clever: the 'Execute Operator' sounds more usefull
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[18:18:48] gbee: clever: until the machines rise up and kill us all
[18:19:27] clever: yeah, then it will be a realy bad idea
[18:19:43] clever: thats when the HCF opcode could come in real handy
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[18:35:19] leftler: Hello, I have a question. I am looking for which is currently the most liked distro of mythTV, I saw the http://www.linux.com/news/software/multimedia . . . ros-compared article but it is from Aug 2007. Does anyone know a more current article?
[18:40:15] GreyFoxx: mythbuntu is one that users talk about a LOT in here
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[18:40:47] GreyFoxx: it seems to work well for most and they have a nifty control panel addon for it to make setup/config easier for new users
[18:41:08] leftler: thank you, that is what i was leaning tward anyway
[18:41:20] wagnerrp: what distro do you currently use?
[18:41:58] wagnerrp: ugh... someone up here is hammering the connection
[18:42:13] ** GreyFoxx should install ubuntu one of these days and have a look **
[18:42:15] wagnerrp: irc over vnc over 500+ms lag sucks
[18:42:19] leftler: Well I tried mythbunto as a exprement a year ago, worked ok. then I switched back to XP MCE because of some hardware issues. But I moved and now want to set up a multiple front end system so I wanted to switch back to mythTV
[18:42:42] laga: wagnerrp: eclipse over vnc over wlan sucks as well
[18:42:45] wagnerrp: leftler: i mean what linux distro do you currently use
[18:42:52] wagnerrp: or do you not use linux
[18:43:04] leftler: I am most fimilar with ubuntu, but I have messed with gentoo
[18:43:18] wagnerrp: if youre familiar with ubuntu, use mythbuntu
[18:43:59] wagnerrp: i should go down the street to the combustion lab, and beat on them to stop running torrents
[18:44:14] leftler: Thanks for the help
[18:44:14] GreyFoxx: heh
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[18:44:51] GreyFoxx: wagnerrp: Every week or so I get to pass on a "just so you know we got a complain from the MPAA about you" to a customer :)
[18:45:11] GreyFoxx: Most just laugh about it :)
[18:45:12] laga: i thought you were in canada?
[18:45:15] GreyFoxx: I am
[18:45:22] GreyFoxx: I don't tell them to stop
[18:45:25] laga: heh
[18:45:27] GreyFoxx: just let them know we got the complaint
[18:45:38] laga: did you try telling the MPAA?
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[18:45:56] GreyFoxx: I've responded to a few of them
[18:46:05] Pontiac: I got a complaint for having a password protected zip file containing an ISO of Win2K available.
[18:46:08] wagnerrp: i dont know if theyre doing torrents, for all i know, they could just be uploading a bunch of data back to campus
[18:46:22] wagnerrp: every time ive gone over there before, they deny actively using the internet
[18:46:35] wagnerrp: so it could just be this POS 'business grade' roadrunner
[18:46:55] GreyFoxx: laga: Usually they seem so excited that I replied they want me to be come some sort of Anti Pirate warrior for them. But that fizzles as soon as I tell them I wont give them any information on who the user is
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[18:47:43] laga: did you ask about swords?
[18:48:06] GreyFoxx: here in Canada our privacy laws state that I can't tell you that someone IS a customer of ours, let alone any details about them :)
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[18:49:07] wagnerrp: besides, up there, media piracy is legal
[18:49:10] GreyFoxx: It's funny when someone who isn't a contact on an account calls wanting a change I say no they need a register contact to call, and then I can't tell them who is a registered contact that can call :) they have to figure it out on their own :)
[18:49:36] wagnerrp: i mean youre already being taxed under the assumption that youre pirating stuff... doesnt that make it legitimate?
[18:49:46] GreyFoxx: heh
[18:51:27] Dagmar: THat's the attitude I'd take.
[18:51:38] Dagmar: I'm suprised all Canadians don't consider it their civil duty to pirate
[18:51:55] laga: if it's legitimate, it's not piracy
[18:52:03] laga: so no eye patch for you
[18:52:14] GreyFoxx: Many know they are not in danger of downloading the occasional mp3 or video :) Just don't serve them up to others :)
[18:55:41] baffle: I have 3 DVB-C tuners that have multirec enabled. Very often when I go to a channel that has other channels on the same transponder that card is suddenly locked to that transponder, and I can only switch between the channels on that transponder; Switching to any other channel fails, and MythTV returns me to the channel I was watching..
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[18:55:48] baffle: Is this a know bug?
[18:56:06] Dagmar: Just the same, being asked to pay money on every blank DVD is such bullshit it's actually illegal in the US.
[18:56:56] Dagmar: baffle: Not a bug, probably a limitation of how multirec works
[18:58:44] baffle: Dagmar: But I'm not really able to exit out of this. This means that after a little while all my tuners are "stuck", and I have to reset the backend.. :-/
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[18:59:52] wagnerrp: recordings will lock a tuner in place, such that trying to tune on the tuner will only result in channels on the same transponder
[19:00:50] wagnerrp: but livetv itself locking a tuner (if thats what is happening here) seems to be a legitimate bug
[19:01:20] baffle: wagnerrp: Yeah, it's live TV.
[19:01:34] baffle: wagnerrp: Or, well, the backend says: "Encoder 1 is local on deathstar and is watching Live TV: 'Nyhetene' on TV 2 Norge. This recording will end at 9:20 PM."
[19:02:09] wagnerrp: are you sure youre not hitting 'r', or accidentally have some button on your remote telling mythtv to record?
[19:04:54] baffle: wagnerrp: Yes, quite sure. And the show doesn't turn up in "upcoming recordings" nor "recorded programs".
[19:07:54] wagnerrp: apparently Hulu may start charging for content in the future
[19:08:25] gbee: that's really a surprise?
[19:09:25] wagnerrp: in other news News Corp has hired a magic 8-ball as their CDO
[19:10:01] wagnerrp: when asked if hulu would begin charging for content, he answered 'the answer could be yes'
[19:10:27] Dagmar: He might have quoted what a Magic 8-Ball told him just to be snarky
[19:14:01] laga: how ironic. i'd like to kill a process on this server, but i can't, since ulimits prevent me from finding the PID
[19:14:46] laga: excellent. killing the JVM with ctrl+c resulted in an error about having to kill it manually
[19:14:47] Dagmar: Looks like you'll have to sudo bash then
[19:15:27] laga: well, i don't have roots. besides, sudo probably requires fork() ;)
[19:15:56] laga: i'll try to kill the screen session
[19:16:57] laga: that worked.
[19:17:56] wagnerrp: Hitachi 1TB on sale for $70 if anyone is interested
[19:22:00] baffle: laga: Can't you look in /proc?
[19:22:24] laga: baffle: i think cat requires a fork(), too.. but using shell builtins might work
[19:22:31] laga: i'll remember that for the next time
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[19:36:05] wagnerrp: and the Trogod saga continues
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[19:36:17] laga: ban him? or teach him to do stuff properly?
[19:36:45] wagnerrp: nah, he gave a good enough explination of his most recent actions
[19:37:21] laga: which was?
[19:37:39] wagnerrp: i had copied the page content to a new page under his user account, but he wanted to keep his edit history intact
[19:37:55] wagnerrp: so there was a flurry of action to get stuff moved around
[19:38:07] laga: ouch
[19:38:21] wagnerrp: and apparently he linked to one of his pages on the -users list that he wants to stay up for at least a couple days
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[19:39:34] laga: redirects?
[19:40:18] wagnerrp: yeah, redirects to the one under his user page, its not a full page of itself
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[20:21:15] dustybin: forget all those silly 'gaming' motherboards what asus and gigabyte produce, you want one of these beasts in your myth server box:
[20:21:19] dustybin: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboar . . . 10/X7SBA.cfm
[20:22:18] laga: no
[20:23:35] wagnerrp: thats not even a very good board
[20:23:53] wagnerrp: single processor, only 4 memory slots, only a single x8 pcie
[20:24:05] wagnerrp: it is by no means a beast
[20:24:08] laga: only 8G of memory?
[20:24:16] laga: XGI graphics?
[20:24:27] laga: *6* SATA ports only?
[20:24:43] dustybin: there are no gimmicks on those boards, just pure quality, they are designed for servers
[20:24:46] laga: 64 bit pci slots? these don't look 32bit compatiblre
[20:25:13] wagnerrp: the only redeeming feature are the pair of intel nics
[20:25:43] laga: and LGA775 is not exactly the newest stuff
[20:26:16] wagnerrp: has the 1366 Xeon stuff been released yet?
[20:26:16] laga: oh, dunno.
[20:26:16] laga: the 1366 socket is for those core i7, right?
[20:26:27] wagnerrp: yeah, and then theres a 11xx something for the i5s
[20:26:40] sphery: So, I officially understand why MythTV does /not/ use the AVI container.
[20:26:59] sphery: It has nothing for A/V sync.
[20:27:06] jams: thats correct
[20:27:32] wagnerrp: something to do with avi not supporting proper aspect ratios isnt it?
[20:27:36] jams: thats one of the first things people complain about when talking avi
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[20:27:38] dustybin: check out there other boards
[20:27:38] dustybin: this could possibly be my new home server box
[20:27:38] dustybin: http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/to . . . 733T-465.cfm
[20:27:38] dustybin: my god, check out the memory slots
[20:27:38] dustybin: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboar . . . 0/X8DTN+.cfm
[20:27:43] sphery: been playing with transcoding (as a learning exercise) and finally figured out that the AVI was killing me.
[20:27:56] XLV: wagnerrp, yeah, s1366 xeons are released, for up to 2 socket systems
[20:28:11] XLV: for more, there will be a new socket, s1500 something
[20:28:23] laga: dustybin: how are you going to pay for that much memory?
[20:28:45] laga: dustybin: and no PCI?
[20:29:49] sphery: jams: so, which is a better container for XviD (with good A/V sync)? MP4 or OGM?
[20:30:10] wagnerrp: still only 6 hard drives, with no support for expanders
[20:30:50] Dagmar: The container isn't going to affect it much, but more things are likely to admit they can read it as mp4
[20:31:21] wagnerrp: i dont know of any hardware that supports divx/xvid in an mp4
[20:31:21] wagnerrp: theyre usually avi only
[20:31:22] dustybin: laga: of course its not ideal for me, i will choose a suitable one for my needs
[20:32:04] laga: dustybin: maybe some asus or gigabyte "gamer" board?
[20:32:41] sphery: hmmm... may have to stick with MPEG-2 in MPEG-PS, then.
[20:33:09] dustybin: laga: no way, a supermicro board
[20:33:30] dustybin: and maybe one of these cases for it
[20:33:31] dustybin: http://www.supermicro.com/products/chassis/tower/?chs=733
[20:34:01] ** laga shakes head **
[20:34:53] dustybin: the ultimate media storage server box
[20:34:54] dustybin: http://www.supermicro.com/products/accessorie . . . -RACK14U.cfm
[20:35:45] iamlindoro: I swear I have been explaining how stupid superlatives sound to dustybin for over a year
[20:35:51] wagnerrp: dustybin: if youre going that far, why not just get a thumper?
[20:35:57] dustybin: :P
[20:36:00] iamlindoro: Which just goes to show, you can't teach some people
[20:36:10] dustybin: nah i wouldnt go that far, but i will get a supermicro board
[20:36:43] laga: iamlindoro: the social media crowd is suffering from superlatives. and i want to punish them for it
[20:36:53] iamlindoro: KOIP
[20:36:55] wagnerrp: i have a supermicro board, and i tossed a supermicro case
[20:37:02] wagnerrp: we have a bunch of their hardware at work
[20:37:17] wagnerrp: and i see very little reason to have one for use with mythtv
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[20:37:49] dustybin: also, this rocked my boat
[20:37:50] dustybin: http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subactio . . . d=1237289133
[20:38:16] wagnerrp: theyre loud and noisy... which means no frontends
[20:38:40] wagnerrp: and its not like you really need a lot of power on a backend
[20:38:42] dustybin: wagnerrp: i will only get the motherboard, i will use my own fans
[20:38:58] laga: 24" with IPS panel for 400€ doesn't sound too bad
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[20:39:07] dustybin: laga: exactly
[20:39:08] laga: dustybin: aren't you employed? how can you afford this stuff?
[20:39:14] dustybin: i am employed, i work now
[20:39:34] wagnerrp: it doesnt matter.... you throw multiple xeons with large banks of memory and hard drives, you need a lot of fans
[20:39:35] dustybin: if it wasnt for iamlindoro pushing me to get a job, i would still be unemployed :P
[20:39:38] wagnerrp: theres no way around it
[20:40:10] dustybin: wagnerrp: i will only get a 775 board
[20:40:15] dustybin: stick a core2duo inside it
[20:40:28] dustybin: or a quad
[20:40:36] wagnerrp: then why bother with server grade hardware?
[20:40:51] dustybin: because it will still be a server!
[20:41:02] ** iamlindoro sighs deeply **
[20:41:16] laga: iamlindoro: can you make me get a job where i can buy supermicro hardware?
[20:41:18] dustybin: i dislike all those flash multi coloured OTT boards with bits you dont need, from asus and gigabyte
[20:41:30] laga: then get one of their workstation boards
[20:41:31] iamlindoro: laga: It involves months of ridicule--- ready?
[20:41:55] wagnerrp: dustybin: so youre going to pay more to get a board that doesnt have that stuff?
[20:41:57] laga: iamlindoro: um. i'll think about it
[20:42:18] laga: dustybin: my gigabyte board doesn't have any unnecessatry stuff.
[20:42:19] dustybin: wagnerrp: yes
[20:42:28] wagnerrp: and instead, has a bunch of other hardware like scsi controllers and PCIX slots that you will never use?
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[20:42:51] dustybin: i need to do some more research first
[20:43:04] laga: good answer ;)
[20:43:09] highzeth: hope you got a cellar, if not its time to sound proof the room its gonna be in
[20:43:19] sphery: I don't think I've bought a board that didn't have unnecessary stuff since my 486 DX2/66 system--and not because I buy flashy (but because they all have everything but the kitchen sink in them, now)
[20:43:44] highzeth: every time Ive had to setup a supermicro at home Ive fired it up in the cellar, only way not to go insane by the noise
[20:43:52] laga: btw, i bought some expander rope to suspend my hard drives – my case is rather noise right now. i hope that'll go well ;)
[20:44:55] dustybin: i will probably get something along the lines of this:
[20:44:56] dustybin: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboar . . . 45/C2SEE.cfm
[20:45:52] laga: how much is it?
[20:46:01] laga: DDR3 memory? ugh.
[20:46:09] laga: although they're not that expensive anymore
[20:46:23] laga: but 4G max is not a lot
[20:46:33] wagnerrp: 2 memory slots, a crapass realtek network chip, an older chipset rather lacking in PCIe
[20:47:18] dustybin: ok ok
[20:47:18] dustybin: http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboar . . . 8/C2SBX+.cfm
[20:47:39] wagnerrp: youre still using an older chipset
[20:48:02] laga: if i were to build a new workstation (which is not a server), i'd probably look at intel's latest CPUs to see if they're cost effective. then throw in a nice, reliable board and an intel 80G SSD. add a 1TB drive for storage and at least 8G of RAM
[20:48:09] laga: should be sufficiently cheap and *fast*
[20:48:20] wagnerrp: if youre looking at building a pricey backend at some point in the future, why not go for a i7 chip?
[20:48:22] laga: wagnerrp: the X48 is intel's top of the line chipset though, isn't it?
[20:48:49] AndyCap: X58?
[20:48:53] dustybin: how would a backend benefit from a i7 chipset?
[20:49:06] wagnerrp: how would a backend benefit from a supermicro board?
[20:49:12] dustybin: hmm
[20:49:32] AndyCap: are you talking about sufficient or top of the line?
[20:49:35] Dagmar: Because if you want added cost, you can't do much better tan that
[20:50:47] laga: a "sufficient" backend would be a mid-range cpu and a board with lots of SATA and PCI slots
[20:50:49] wagnerrp: if youre dead set on getting a supermicro board... do it for a reason
[20:50:50] laga: imho
[20:50:55] wagnerrp: get a real MP Xeon board
[20:51:35] wagnerrp: if youre satisfied with a consumer Core2, get a normal consumer motherboard like everyone else
[20:52:05] wagnerrp: save yourself a load of money, spend it on hard drives
[20:52:18] laga: or on an SSD – if it's a desktop box ;)
[20:53:44] AndyCap: or something that takes a car worth of ram. http://supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xe . . . 00/X7QC3.cfm
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[20:54:33] laga: oh my god
[20:54:38] wagnerrp: i love it when programs segfault for no good reason!
[20:54:39] schlazor: i think i just wet myself
[20:54:58] laga: schlazor: yes
[20:55:11] laga: up to 192GB ddr2
[20:55:33] laga: that is *too much*
[20:55:38] schlazor: laga: yeah
[20:56:08] laga: i could finally do data mining with weka.. and maybe load files than 20mb ;)
[20:56:23] th1: If I set some channels to hidden, will they still be used for recording by the scheduler?#
[20:57:00] gbee: no
[20:57:07] th1: thanks :)
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[20:59:43] laga: so, samsung 1TB disk, 80GB intel ssd, core i7 920, 12GB DDR-3 RAM, x58 board: 1000€
[20:59:46] laga: could be worse ;)
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[21:05:57] th1: laga, you need that much for your tvbox?
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[21:06:05] th1: Id have thought the RAM for sure is overkill
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[21:06:55] laga: th1: no, i don't. but it would make a nice workstation
[21:06:56] th1: my satellite backend is a 2*pentiumIII machine 256MB ram 16GB SCSI hd
[21:07:02] th1: hehe
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[21:07:12] laga: th1: i'm not as mad as dustybin
[21:07:14] laga: ;)
[21:07:37] th1: I often waste time and money by sticking with older gear to avoid forking out for new hardware ;)
[21:07:47] laga: it's a terrible habit
[21:07:58] CoreDump: well, you could use this kind of RAM when you are planning to run 5 to 20 virtual machines on your box...at the same time. Apart from that, I doubt most folks will ever use more than 2 or 4 GB
[21:08:03] wagnerrp: ive got 16GB in my workstation, and im frequently having to limit how much i open
[21:08:11] th1: my main workstation and my main server are always ok though
[21:08:18] laga: wagnerrp: firefox user? ;)
[21:08:25] laga: wagnerrp: what kind of board supports 16G these days?
[21:08:31] th1: wagnerrp, I've got 6GB, I stuck with 2GB for years and then Windows 7 beta came along ;)
[21:08:37] CoreDump: *valid only for non-servers
[21:08:57] wagnerrp: no, 3D visualization, loading up simulation dumps
[21:09:13] laga: CoreDump: most folks won't need more than 2 or 4G.. but i'm not one of these people ;)
[21:09:18] iamlindoro: I had loads and loads of 4 GB DIMMs, so all the Myth boxes ended up with 8
[21:09:20] wagnerrp: dual-dual-Xeon 3GHz
[21:09:22] iamlindoro: not by design, though
[21:09:27] th1: CoreDump, a nice big server with virtualization doesn't make up for the lack of PCI slots for tuners on most motherboads ;)
[21:09:42] th1: I had to buy an older motherboard to get enough tuner slots
[21:09:45] wagnerrp: a supermicro board, as it were... :)
[21:09:49] laga: wagnerrp: heh
[21:10:01] th1: the modern motherboards have like 1 PCI slot and 3 small pci-e slots and one big one
[21:10:08] th1: at least the budget mbs
[21:10:15] wagnerrp: two almost identical machines, one with 16 and a big video card, the other with 8 and a big raid card
[21:10:25] wagnerrp: although a third one showed up today
[21:10:30] wagnerrp: i dont know whats in it currently
[21:10:43] CoreDump: my quad has 2GB ;)
[21:10:47] laga: you have random boxen show up on your doorstep?
[21:10:53] iamlindoro: You can use an HVR-2250 in an x1 slot, that's 6xdigital tuners/6x analog hardware capture in one standard Mini-itx
[21:10:58] th1: wagnerrp, my server which is 4 years old has 2 dualcore opteron CPU's, 8GB of RAM and 6TB of raid on a megaraid controller
[21:11:19] th1: disks were upgraded from 250gb to 1tb last year ;)
[21:11:28] iamlindoro: Add a PVR-500 or a Fusion HDTV Dual to the PCI slot and that's 8 of each in your average Mini-ITX board
[21:11:31] th1: but I don't need more Cpu
[21:12:43] th1: iamlindoro, it doesn't help if you upgrade over time. I have 1 single DVB-T, 1 dual DVB-T and two single DVB-S cards
[21:13:11] wagnerrp: looks like one of those SP supermicro boards i just got finished saying were a waste
[21:13:11] th1: my first mythtv setup was with the single dvb-s card and some hauppauge analog tuner that I retired long ago ;)
[21:13:29] wagnerrp: unknown processor, 12GB of memory, and some 4-disk array
[21:13:34] iamlindoro: th1: Well that's the downfall of trying to use legacy cards in modern motherboards
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[21:13:52] th1: iamlindoro, most modern tuner cards are still legacy PCI :)
[21:13:58] iamlindoro: Point being, you can easily stuff your average half-size modern mobo full of more tuners than most people could ever manage to use
[21:14:08] iamlindoro: th1: That's not true at all
[21:14:32] th1: if you're looking at cost effective. I got my TT 1600 DVB-S2 cards for less than 50 euro each
[21:14:35] iamlindoro: th1: Take hauppauge for example
[21:15:13] iamlindoro: Nearly all of their current production is PCIe, with one PCI interface card for each device type
[21:15:16] th1: if they made a quad tuner pci-e card I know I'd get it but I haven't found any so ar
[21:15:29] th1: ok
[21:15:37] th1: but they are not in the budget range ;)
[21:16:06] iamlindoro: They are across the whole range-- the cheapest ATSC/QAM tuner I know is a PCIe card from Hauppauge
[21:16:20] th1: have they got a dual tuner dvb-s2 card in pci-e?
[21:16:23] iamlindoro: They cover the gamut from low to high end
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[21:16:47] th1: well yes hauppauge is the leader in pc tuners
[21:16:58] th1: but they are not the best value always
[21:16:59] iamlindoro: th1: Why would you complain that they're not budget, and then ask for an item that is decidedly a high end buy?
[21:17:09] th1: hehe
[21:17:21] wagnerrp: why oh why are you segfaulting...
[21:17:31] laga: wagnerrp: gdb?
[21:17:33] th1: because I want to buy a budget oldish pc for my backend,. who needs teraflops to do what is basically a network gateway ;)
[21:17:51] ** iamlindoro sighs **
[21:18:01] th1: my frontend is a different story
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[21:18:03] iamlindoro: back to something more sensible than this conversation... like drinking turpentine
[21:18:11] th1: lol, iamlindoro
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[21:19:11] th1: I'm going to build a trunk mythtv backend + frontend in the weekend to check it out
[21:19:28] th1: then I'm going to publish my channel renumbering tool
[21:19:34] th1: if it still works with trunk :)
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[21:23:44] th1: I've written some 6 php tools to do stuff like renumbering channels, assigning xmltv id's and hiding duplicate channels (from multiple sources) since I got my satellite dish :)
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[21:24:16] th1: I spent about 5 hours doing that stuff manually and then I figured it needed to be automated for the next rescan
[21:24:49] th1: how much has the db format changed since 0.21?
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[21:28:48] sphery: th1: more than ever before in the history of Myth
[21:29:21] sphery: th1: if you take all the db schema changes since the first schema version (the 1200 some changes), they're less of a change than the 0.21-fixes to trunk change
[21:29:45] th1: hehe
[21:29:56] sphery: that's not an exaggeration, either :)
[21:29:57] th1: I guess my scripts will take some rewriting then
[21:30:13] th1: or I'll keep my master channel db in 0.21 and use the migration scripts to keep trunk up to date
[21:30:17] sphery: it's mainly just the charset change that makes it huge
[21:30:52] sphery: we went from storing utf-8 in columns that MySQL thought were latin1 data to storing utf-8 in columns that MySQL knows are utf-8
[21:30:59] th1: I think the xmltv handling stuff in 0.21 is probably the poorest part of the setup experience
[21:31:06] th1: ok
[21:31:31] th1: I guess mysql didn't even support utf-8 originally
[21:31:38] sphery: so from a "will random DB queries work the same" perspective, chances are they'll be close, but from a "can I go back from trunk to 0.21-fixes schema version" perspective, the answer is no
[21:32:39] th1: my scripts use some quite complex queries like this: select channum,name,count(*) as num,channum from program,channel where program.chanid in (select chanid from channel where sourceid=4) and program.chanid=channel.chanid group by program.chanid order by num desc limit 20;
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[21:32:59] th1: and the same for the dtv_multiplex table etc...
[21:33:08] sphery: yeah, we chose to lie to mysql and tell it the data was latin1 because otherwise all the text columns would take 3x the space for most users (as a vast majority use primarily latin1 chars) and because mysql didn't support long indices, so we'd have been extremely limited on column width
[21:33:14] iamlindoro: Haaaahaaaa, Hulu to begin charging
[21:33:28] iamlindoro: Which just goes to show what I've always said... Hulu sucks
[21:33:39] th1: wtf is huli, iamlindoro?
[21:33:41] sphery: iamlindoro: nice... guess I need to watch the 2 eps of Harper's Island that I missed before that starts
[21:34:07] sphery: hulu.com — website where people in the US can watch TV shows
[21:34:09] iamlindoro: sphery: I think it's more of a proposed than a confirmed
[21:34:14] sphery: formerly for free :)
[21:34:17] th1: hehe ok
[21:34:28] th1: sounds like a mix of youtube and thepiratebay
[21:34:53] sphery: the networks/cable co's/etc hated it because people started dropping subscriptions/not watching local network ads and just using hulu for everything
[21:34:59] sphery: boxee made it worse
[21:35:07] th1: heh
[21:35:11] th1: I used tvtorrents
[21:35:16] sphery: it's actually legal, though--the content owners put it up there
[21:35:23] th1: ok
[21:35:28] th1: so they have their own ads?
[21:35:38] sphery: and they get a bit of ad revenu (there's an ad every time you skip or every 15mins or so)
[21:35:47] th1: ok
[21:36:04] th1: it lowers the value of their content wrt the local stations though
[21:36:15] th1: I mean they can't charge as much if its available for free on the net
[21:36:29] sphery: and, it's wonderful flash, so you get to max out your CPU, get terrible tearing, and watch in a tiny window (since your AMD Athlon X2 6000+ can't handle flash playback in fullscreen at 1920x1080)
[21:36:40] th1: hehe
[21:36:48] th1: hence, mythtv+vdpau
[21:36:52] sphery: yeah, the local stations suffered a bit
[21:37:00] sphery: cable co's may have actually lost more direct revenue, though
[21:37:05] th1: but the local stations pay these guys in the first place. why would they do this?
[21:37:24] sphery: as a /lot/ of people just dropped subs and started using hulu (often on a computer connected to the tv) for all their non-local tv
[21:37:32] th1: yeah
[21:37:46] th1: I dropped subs when FreeTV was introduced and I got a dvb-t card ;)
[21:38:07] th1: FreeView compares pretty well to basic cable subscriptions
[21:38:08] jblack: I can't help but wonder what sort of effect hulu had on the pirate bay
[21:38:29] th1: pirate bay is more for movies and that kind of thing
[21:38:40] th1: not really for soaps and series
[21:38:45] th1: tvtorrents.com on the other hand
[21:38:51] sphery: I dropped my Dish network sub when a) I got an HDTV and b) I was able to get all the channels I really wanted via an antenna and c) there was (at the time) no way to get HDTV from satellite into Myth
[21:39:07] th1: well
[21:39:20] sphery: no way = no legal way
[21:39:26] th1: I got a new satellite subscription when I got a dish and could receive my native Danish channels here in the UK
[21:39:27] sphery: as I don't steal tv
[21:39:37] th1: well
[21:39:41] th1: mine is pseudo legal
[21:39:43] sphery: oh, and I should say, "in the US"
[21:39:50] sphery: Dish and DirecTV
[21:39:59] th1: I was offered a cardsharing account but I decided to ask a family member in denmark to buy me a legit card
[21:40:09] sphery: I know that DVB-S in some countries is doable
[21:40:17] th1: in europe it is very much doable
[21:40:20] sphery: yeah
[21:40:31] sphery: not here in the land of the "not-free" media
[21:40:31] jblack: Hurh? "was no way to get hdtv from satellite into Myth". Has that changed?
[21:40:42] sphery: jblack: can do it with the HD-PVR
[21:40:44] th1: jblack, I have about 50 HD chans in my myth ;)
[21:40:46] sphery: via the analog hole
[21:40:51] sphery: but it requires trunk Myth
[21:40:53] th1: not analog hole
[21:41:06] sphery: which is not (at all) stable
[21:41:13] th1: I use in-house cardsharing.
[21:41:17] wagnerrp: bah, my text input buffer was too small
[21:41:22] sphery: so, in the US, HD-PVR/analog hole is the only option
[21:41:28] th1: which is sorta questionable against T&C from the provider but not illegale
[21:41:43] jblack: I'm about to cancel non-hd directv, since I'm using OTA
[21:41:48] wagnerrp: and halfway through the file scan, the size of the line increased by one character, putting it over the buffer size
[21:41:51] wagnerrp: causing a segfault
[21:41:53] sphery: th1: not too many details... we don't want to know about anything that may be considered illegal or a violation of terms of service or anything
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[21:41:55] wagnerrp: well that was an hour wasted
[21:42:03] th1: sphery, indeed
[21:42:18] sphery: wagnerrp: doing some patches?
[21:42:20] th1: but at least we don't have DMCA here yet ;)
[21:42:23] jblack: so some day there may be a release for users
[21:42:41] wagnerrp: sphery: no, completely unrelated project
[21:42:50] jblack: th1: Sure you do. The enforcement division is the "us army and air force" :(
[21:42:58] sphery: jblack: yeah, when 0.22 is ready, it should have pretty good HD-PVR support
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[21:43:09] th1: what I wish for is this: an optional copyright poll-tax, where everyone who opted in would pay like $10/month, and the revenue would be distributed to copyrightholders against a kind of "nielsen rating" system
[21:43:12] sphery: (we'll need at least one more ffmpeg sync before then, though)
[21:43:18] wagnerrp: was reading off a table of config settings per machine, indexed by IP
[21:43:20] th1: then you were relieved of all copyright rules
[21:43:41] wagnerrp: when i flipped over to a 3-digit IP (.4.99 to .4.100), everything broke
[21:43:41] th1: I think that will happen in the next 10 years
[21:44:05] wagnerrp: th1: welcome to canada
[21:44:06] kormoc: I doubt $10 per month is anything close to the average revenue generated by copy written content...
[21:44:11] sphery: th1: you mean, "distributed to large corporations who pretend to represent artists, but really strongarm them into relinquishing rights to their creations"?
[21:44:13] jblack: $10? I bet if anything like that _ever_ happened, it would be $100.
[21:44:33] th1: sphery, well distributed to the registered copyright holders of the works that are popular according to the ratings system
[21:44:41] kormoc: I spend likely a few hundred a month personally...
[21:44:43] th1: sphery, at first it wouldbe the big old boys but that would change
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[21:45:05] sphery: I hope whatever happens the big old boys die like the dinosaurs they are
[21:45:08] wagnerrp: th1: the registered copyright holders are often the studio or distribution company
[21:45:31] wagnerrp: i remember hearing some story about some R&B group
[21:45:32] th1: wagnerrp, indeed for current works. but if that system was introduced it would be viable for the artists to keep it to themselves
[21:45:35] sphery: yeah, but they don't tend to pay through
[21:45:39] wagnerrp: they didnt know better, and were screwed over in their contract
[21:45:42] sphery: reference the plethora of writer's strikes
[21:45:45] sphery: etc
[21:45:47] th1: and lets have a 10 year expiration on copyrights
[21:45:58] jblack: So... You want to make a RIAA... for tv. Isn't that the mpaa ?
[21:45:58] wagnerrp: several years later, after releasing several platinum albums, they have basically made no money
[21:46:14] th1: jblack, nah youre getting it wrong
[21:46:39] th1: it's a NGO that distributes the revenue from the voluntary copyright exemption tax to the authors
[21:46:46] th1: I know it could work
[21:46:55] th1: and I'm pretty sure it will have to work that way eventually
[21:47:08] th1: because no matter what happens nobody can stop people from using the 'net to copy stuff
[21:47:42] jblack: sure they can. cap 'em at 20 kilobit
[21:47:43] th1: but essentially people want to be legal so if someone say "pay $10/month and you can copy whatever you want legally" most people would do it
[21:47:51] th1: lol yeah
[21:48:15] th1: and then they use their neigbours open wifi access point ;)
[21:48:16] jblack: which I think is Time Warner's real goal. Push up the cost of trading.
[21:48:30] th1: well yes
[21:48:31] wagnerrp: th1: isnt the RIAA trying to implement a group such as that?
[21:48:53] wagnerrp: except that group gets all copyright revenue for all content played, even if the copyright owner is not part of the group
[21:48:55] jblack: Heh. if your neighbor is payin $1/GB for overages... how many months do you think his wireless AP is going to be open?
[21:49:04] th1: wagnerrp, the point is that it has to be universal
[21:49:16] th1: that you can share anything once you're taking part in the scheme
[21:49:23] th1: with no limitations
[21:49:31] wagnerrp: the point is... this group is going to have a lot of power
[21:49:46] th1: wagnerrp, its gonna be administered by the government
[21:49:51] jblack: they would be a monopoly that sets prices.
[21:49:53] wagnerrp: all youre doing is setting up another organization that is going to end up screwing over the artist
[21:49:59] jblack: So... Socialized art, th1?
[21:49:59] kormoc: th1, it's unworkable. If you pay $10, you get to share with all 216 others in here fine? seems like only a very few would sign up...
[21:50:02] wagnerrp: yeah... because theres no corruption in the government right?
[21:50:22] th1: it could definitely work
[21:50:29] th1: it just has to be set up right
[21:50:30] kormoc: nah
[21:50:32] jblack: There's another possibility, th1...
[21:50:41] th1: yes jblack?
[21:50:41] kormoc: as a copyright holder, I wouldn't subscribe to your plan
[21:50:47] jblack: The full decomercialization of art.
[21:50:48] th1: kormoc, it wouldn't be optional
[21:50:56] kormoc: and then I wouldn't release it at all
[21:51:01] wagnerrp: the system working requires that everyone involved wants to do what's 'right'
[21:51:06] wagnerrp: and that just ain't gonna happen
[21:51:12] th1: it'd be like the library fees or the airing rights for radio stations
[21:51:23] th1: in fact there is a system just like this, for radio stations to play copyrighted music
[21:51:24] kormoc: that's not true
[21:51:28] th1: and it has worked for 30 years or more
[21:51:40] wagnerrp: radio stations dont pay to play copyrighted music
[21:51:59] Dagmar: They actually do.
[21:51:59] th1: in europe they do
[21:52:00] jblack: I think they do
[21:52:03] jblack: In the US, at least
[21:52:04] Dagmar: They do in the US, too.
[21:52:18] kormoc: I find your 'ideal' world view short-sighted and broken and I wouldn't live in a country that enforced their views like that
[21:52:23] Dagmar: You can rest assured that commercial FM stations (and non-commercial ones) all report their playlists to Soundstream
[21:52:24] th1: so I'm just extrapolating that system to citizens
[21:52:36] wagnerrp: i thought they basically got the music free, in exchange for free advertising of the music
[21:52:41] Dagmar: Nope.
[21:52:46] Dagmar: They pay yearly licencing
[21:53:16] kormoc: to groups
[21:53:35] kormoc: if I write a song and don't belong to one of the groups they are licencing, they can't play my music
[21:53:42] kormoc: th1's idea says that they can
[21:53:43] th1: kormoc, in many countries those groups have to consolidate into a national copyright governing body
[21:53:43] jblack: ASCAP, BMI and SESAC, right?
[21:53:47] Dagmar: The cool part is that if you do a web broadcast only, you pay triple
[21:53:56] Dagmar: ...because those lawyers are f**kers
[21:53:57] th1: which is mandated by law that they have to join or lose out
[21:54:14] kormoc: th1, the groups do, but the artists don't have to join the groups....
[21:54:31] th1: they don't have to but if they don't they just don't get revenue when their stuff is played
[21:54:36] kormoc: no
[21:54:42] kormoc: their stuff isn't allowed to be played...
[21:54:44] th1: most european countries work that way, kormoc
[21:55:02] Dagmar: It's rather an indirect way they managed to make it so that people who don't sign up with them can't get airplay
[21:55:05] th1: that's why they all have formed effective copyright consortiums
[21:56:21] kormoc: erm
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[21:56:40] gbee: that defeats the point of copyright, I seriously doubt it TBH
[21:56:44] kormoc: no, european radio stations can not play my song on their airwaves without my express permission
[21:57:22] th1: kormoc, after you release it to the public on CD or whatever they can
[21:57:30] Dagmar: Commercial US stations basically get held up by the contract they signed for the licensing
[21:57:31] kormoc: nope
[21:57:42] kormoc: that's not true at all
[21:57:43] th1: kormoc, yes in the countries that have mandatory licensing bodies
[21:57:57] Dagmar: Unless the rights-holder is licencing through SoundStream, it can't be played
[21:58:12] kormoc: then the entire world copy right agreements are invalid eh?
[21:58:22] jblack: th1: If you don't mind a bit of unasked advice.... I'd google things up for a bit to make that you're right.
[21:58:32] th1: jblack, which I have done
[21:58:48] Dagmar: <-- spent 7 years as a DJ at a college station with 14,500 watts ERP
[21:58:51] th1: I know it doesn't apply to all countries but it does in some EU countries
[21:59:34] ** jblack wonders when 28 months comes out **
[21:59:48] kormoc: I'd wager you couldn't find one creditable reference of a EU country that doesn't follow world copyright laws
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[22:00:57] Dagmar: They really don't like to admit how licence-restrained commercial FM stations are because it would let people know that things have gotten worse, not better, since Freeh and the payola problems
[22:01:44] iamlindoro: That a load
[22:01:47] iamlindoro: er What a
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[22:02:10] iamlindoro: There's not a single EU country where it would be legal to appropriate someones content just because they put it on CD
[22:02:21] iamlindoro: I'd *love* some references on that claim
[22:02:30] jblack: Bill, from kill bill, is dead?
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[22:03:20] iamlindoro: jblack: Having asphyxiated himself while nude and with a rope tied around his genitals, no less
[22:03:35] th1: I got to go to bed, nite guys
[22:03:44] laga: iamlindoro: i think that's a good way to go. especially at that age
[22:03:53] iamlindoro: laga: Heh
[22:04:11] iamlindoro: laga: That's prety much what I've got planned out for myself
[22:04:55] laga: iamlindoro: auto erotic asphyxiation?
[22:05:19] iamlindoro: laga: Yep, what a way to go!  ;)
[22:05:25] laga: ;)
[22:05:37] iamlindoro: It was that or fighting aliens while fondling naked chicks
[22:05:54] iamlindoro: And if I do the former, I might just hallucinate the latter and get the best of both worlds
[22:06:10] AndyCap: iamlindoro: should be careful there, or you'll be fondling naked aliens while fighting chicks
[22:06:25] iamlindoro: AndyCap: Yeah, guess it's sort of luck of the draw on that kind of thing
[22:06:52] jblack: iamlindoro: Pardon?
[22:07:05] iamlindoro: jblack: ?
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[22:07:51] jblack: I think I'm misunderstanding you... somehow..
[22:08:23] kormoc: nah, he's just that deviant of a person
[22:08:39] iamlindoro: Yup
[22:08:42] jblack: movies.yahoo.com says hanging in his closet
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[22:08:58] iamlindoro: jblack: Yes, that's the sanitized version, so?
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[22:09:32] jblack: I'm looking for proof of your exceptional claim
[22:09:54] gbee: jblack: BBC reported it this morning
[22:10:29] iamlindoro: ^^^
[22:10:30] jblack: wow. embarrasing
[22:10:31] jams: isn't a random IRC converstation engough proof?
[22:10:36] jams: enough
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[22:10:53] sphery: I thought you had to hear it 2x in IRC before it's true?
[22:10:55] jblack: Everthing on irc is true
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[22:11:01] iamlindoro: "Thai police told the BBC the 72-year-old was found naked by a hotel maid in a wardrobe with a cord around his neck and other parts of his body."
[22:11:17] gbee: but because he has a wife and 4? children, the news outlets are now showing some respect and keeping the details out of the story
[22:11:29] sandeen: hey, just out of curiosity, is anyone using ext4 for their myth video store?
[22:11:30] jams: it's like the third time it's been mentioned in this channel so it must be true.
[22:11:33] iamlindoro: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/8083479.stm
[22:11:40] iamlindoro: There's the post-sanitized version
[22:11:57] sphery: sandeen: I'm pretty sure the kernel's docs /still/ say don't use ext4 on a production system
[22:12:07] gbee: I should quickly point out, that they changed the wording there, as iamlindoro points out, that's the sanitised version, the first draft was less delicate
[22:12:10] sandeen: do they? that's too bad.
[22:12:12] ** sandeen looks **
[22:12:13] jblack: wow.
[22:12:18] laga: maybe it was actually wrong?
[22:12:23] iamlindoro: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.obituaries . . . 57e54a?pli=1
[22:12:27] iamlindoro: Non delicate version there
[22:12:47] sandeen: sphery, I don't see that :)
[22:12:51] iamlindoro: laga: Only thing they did was change "genitals" to "other parts of his body"
[22:12:55] jblack: And yet Abe Vigoda lives.
[22:12:58] sphery: sandeen: it's probably more of a "that way it's you're fault, not mine", but not bad advice
[22:13:00] sandeen: it really should be useable at this point, was wondering if anyone has been using it :)
[22:13:30] sandeen: sphery, I am asking out of interest as an ext4 developer, not looking for evidence that it's safe to use, myself :)
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[22:14:04] jams: sandeen- 45 people have reported using it with linhes
[22:14:12] jams: no idea if thats for storage or os
[22:14:18] jblack: sandeen: Only a fool would use a new operating system. :)
[22:14:19] jams: linhes = knoppmyth
[22:14:32] iamlindoro: Curiously, 45 people using linhes have died of supposed autoerotic asphyxiation
[22:14:37] sandeen: jams, oh the smolt thing, cool
[22:14:38] iamlindoro: coincidence?
[22:14:50] sandeen: jblack, OS? :) filesystem?
[22:14:50] jblack: Are they the same 45 people?
[22:14:56] gbee: fact is that this isn't the first celebrity to die this way – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoerotic_asphy . . . Famous_cases
[22:14:58] jblack: Pardon, filesystem. :)
[22:15:01] iamlindoro: ... Sure, let's say "yes"
[22:15:07] sphery: sandeen: you're right... they've removed that warning, now
[22:15:27] sandeen: jams, do you have the stats public?
[22:15:37] iamlindoro: Remember, kids, auto-erotic asphyxiation requires a buddy.
[22:15:50] jblack: at least when you're done.
[22:15:54] sandeen: 22,005 ext4 fs's on the main smolts server... 22,005 people can't be (too) wrong.... right?
[22:16:11] jams: sandeen- yeah smolt.mythvantage.com
[22:16:22] iamlindoro: That's 2x as many people as were wrong for running JYA's fork of MythTV last month
[22:16:33] iamlindoro: So I'd wager 22k people *could* be wrong
[22:16:39] jams: it's still an older version of smoon so some nice things are missing
[22:16:44] jblack: There's a myth fork?
[22:16:55] sphery: only 10K running 0.trunk-fixes?
[22:16:56] sandeen: jams, wow, ext3 still fs of cohice
[22:16:57] sandeen: choice
[22:17:00] laga: iamlindoro: even better: let your buddy do it to you ;)
[22:17:06] iamlindoro: sphery: or "trixes" if you will
[22:17:08] jams: sandeen- it's the default
[22:17:15] Dagmar: Large numbers doesn't make people not idiots, it just means you've got large numbers of idiots out there.
[22:17:16] sandeen: jams, MOOOO :)
[22:17:20] iamlindoro: He's a trixy one, he is
[22:17:27] sphery: iamlindoro: silly wabbit, trixes are for idiots
[22:17:27] sandeen: actually it means f11 made it default
[22:17:27] Dagmar: To back up my claim, I present to you the entire player base of World of Warcraft.
[22:17:29] iamlindoro: laga: Then it'd need a new name!
[22:17:37] laga: iamlindoro: s/auto//
[22:17:46] Dagmar: 12 million players world-wide, 11 million complete freaking pinheads
[22:17:47] iamlindoro: laga: affirmative
[22:17:58] jams: sandeen- that might change however.
[22:18:03] sandeen: jams, ok thanks, 75 xfs, 45 ext4 ....
[22:18:10] sandeen: jams, oh the default in mythvantage?
[22:18:17] sphery: I like ext3--it's been around long enough I trust it and it's rock-solid stable
[22:18:19] jams: default in linhes
[22:18:28] Dagmar: Looking at forums.worldofwarcraft.com you'd think lead paint in children's toys had never been outlawed.
[22:18:29] sandeen: jams, er right
[22:18:31] jams: and knoppmyth
[22:18:33] jblack: Nevert mind
[22:18:43] sphery: eventually, I'll use ext4, but I'll give some others a chance to work out the issues /before/ I risk losing my TV :)
[22:19:08] sandeen: sphery, the deletion isn't too painful for you? :)
[22:19:49] sphery: sandeen: not since we incorporated "slow deletes" (which opens file, deletes file, then truncates 4MB/half-second until it's < 4MB, then closes file)
[22:19:53] jblack: Exactly. Let someone else feel the "where's my shit" pain
[22:20:32] sandeen: sphery, I think it's hilarious that myth had to do that ;)
[22:20:34] sphery: sandeen: only time I notice the deletion time is when I shut down mythbackend shortly after deleting recordings
[22:20:51] sphery: sandeen: yeah, but works :)
[22:21:12] sandeen: just fwiw, ext4 is quite a lot faster at that. not as fast as xfs, but much faster than ext3
[22:22:06] sphery: basically deletes about 1GiB/2mins, so my 6GiB (one-hour HDTV) recordings are gone in 12mins... Not bad.
[22:22:16] ** sandeen chuckls **
[22:22:21] sandeen: FSVO "bad" I guess :)
[22:23:03] sandeen: but yeah, ext3 is stable.
[22:23:13] sphery: well, I look forward to ext4, but only once it earns my trust :) (I'm rather slow at accepting new tech's into my "gotta-be-robust-above-all" systems.)
[22:23:29] sphery: and I appreciate the work you've done on it so far!
[22:23:32] sandeen: sphery, sure :)
[22:23:56] jblack: TV is completely unimportant. Until there's a hurricane headed RIGHT AT YOU... then it's critical
[22:23:58] sandeen: getting it out in f11 flushed out tons of bugs, the proof will be in oh, about 2 weeks when the masses get their hands on it :)
[22:26:12] sphery: that's cool... Red Hat's alpha testers (Fedora users :) will be testing out ext4 for us.
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[22:27:07] sandeen: sphery, would you be the right one to ask (or maybe I did already....) about that 5 second sync loop in the backend? :)
[22:27:17] sphery: not me
[22:27:18] jpabq: Comparing drives in RAID configurations: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/storage/disp . . . gb-hdds.html
[22:27:45] basement-server: I can't seem to be able to Manual Record a Channel. I go in, select channel, time, ect.. set for one recording, save changes and it never seems to record.. any suggestions?
[22:27:45] sphery: sandeen: I think danielk22 and/or janneg are the ones you should talk to
[22:28:12] sandeen: sphery, ok
[22:28:30] sphery: basement-server: sounds like a problem with video sources/channels/input connections... I recommend (as I so often do): http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/264034#264034
[22:28:37] ** sphery guesses ghost channels **
[22:29:00] basement-server: well, i can watch and record live tv, play it back.. ect.. no problems... i will read what you linked me to
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[22:30:22] sphery: sandeen: they both tend to be in #mythtv (and, as long as it's somewhat development related--especially if you're proposing a better approach or something--you'd be ok in there)... one's in Europe and the other east-coast US (for time)
[22:30:22] janneg: sandeen: what's the problem?
[22:30:46] sphery: and one of them is /very/ good at noticing when people talk about him :) Hi, janneg!
[22:30:49] sandeen: janneg, it's just that the 5s sync defeats delayed allocation that ext4 and xfs would do
[22:31:25] basement-server: great sphery.. will give it a shot :)
[22:31:26] sandeen: and this can wreak havoc with efficient allocation. it's not a huge deal
[22:32:04] sphery: basement-server: I recommend at least the video sources portion. If you're relatively certain your capture cards are good, you can skip that part.
[22:32:36] sphery: so, just delete all video sources, then create video source, connect inputs, get channels (as appropriate for your TV type/location), and enjoy
[22:32:37] basement-server: will try.. i am pretty sure i remember how to redo i anyway.
[22:32:40] janneg: sandeen: my xfs mythtv recording partitions are mounted with allocsize=1G
[22:32:52] basement-server: Yeah.. i scan for channels though.. humm
[22:32:54] sandeen: janneg, yeah, that's a hack I put in the wiki to work aroudn the problem :)
[22:33:13] sphery: basement-server: so you have digital TV? or analog TV but not in the US?
[22:33:39] basement-server: We have cable here.. i think my card is analog tuner bt878 thing..
[22:33:48] sphery: US?
[22:33:51] basement-server: so analog US
[22:33:59] sphery: then that's probably how you got ghost channels
[22:34:16] sphery: don't scan for analog channels in the us--use "Fetch channels from listings source"
[22:34:24] janneg: the sync loop is there mainly for ext3 sake and maybe to prevent the kernel from becoming unresponsive for several seconds due to large writebacks
[22:34:34] basement-server: and sign up for schdule direct place i guess :)
[22:34:55] basement-server: ok will try this
[22:34:58] basement-server: thx
[22:35:57] sphery: enjoy
[22:36:41] gbee: guess it's been a while since I used my large rucksack, finding a few things I'd forgotten about
[22:37:12] janneg: sandeen: I participated in the recent IO/fsync discussion on lkml and rewrote the sync loop to use sync_file_range
[22:38:09] janneg: which would only sync if a couple of megabytes were written
[22:38:27] sandeen: ok, so that helps ext3 so it doesn't sync the world, but unless it's done for integrity (I don't think that was the original purpose?) is it needed in all cases?
[22:38:32] sandeen: oh so it's not every 5s anymore?
[22:39:22] janneg: unfortunately it is, that change caused backend hangs for some people
[22:39:27] sandeen: hrm
[22:39:48] janneg: and I actually think the sync interval is only 1s
[22:39:56] sandeen: oh yeah, I think you're right
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[22:49:16] janneg: sandeen: to optimize for delayed allocation we should probably use fallocate
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[23:10:47] xaxes: hey there
[23:11:21] xaxes: hey there ;) hopefully somebody could help me.. Cant get my Skystar2 working on mythtv.. just started with mythtv-setup
[23:11:36] xaxes: .. but choosing "dvb v3" results in ERROR OPENING.. (card is working atm in kaffeine)
[23:11:46] xaxes: somebody who has experience with this?
[23:11:55] highzeth: is it running in kaffeine while you are running mythtv-setup?
[23:11:59] xaxes: yes
[23:12:01] jamiem: which table do I need to be looking into to change my mind about [not] re-recording after deletion?
[23:12:04] highzeth: there is your answer
[23:12:11] xaxes: kk, try it
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[23:16:28] xaxes: thx highzeth :)
[23:16:53] highzeth: np
[23:17:09] xaxes: is there a common way to import the channels from kaffeine in mythtv? ;)
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[23:32:48] sphery: highzeth: use the Previously Recorded screen in mythfrontend to find previously-recorded episodes and allow/don't allow re-record
[23:32:51] iamlindoro: http://mythtv.org/pipermail/mythtv-users/2009-June/257079.html
[23:32:55] ** iamlindoro sighs **
[23:33:03] sphery: is it done!
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[23:33:17] sphery: Oh. Worse.
[23:33:30] sphery: I thought it was new ffmpeg for 0.trunk-fixes
[23:33:42] highzeth: sphery: emmm jamiem perhaps?
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[23:33:59] iamlindoro: Maybe if we can get .22 pushed of for juuuuuuust a bit longer, he'll go away and take his code and users with him
[23:35:04] sphery: emm what?
[23:35:26] iamlindoro: trixes, you mean
[23:35:35] sphery: yeah, trixes
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[23:39:22] xaxes: mhh .. Im using this channels.conf http://www.vdr-wiki.de/wiki/index.php/Channel . . . S19.2E_Astra and mythtv-setup tells me that it`s unable to parse it .. (atsc delimiter wrong? (used standard (underscore_)
[23:39:54] sphery: you'll get--by far--the best results if you just let MythTV scan for you
[23:40:07] sphery: channels.conf import isn't ideal
[23:40:35] iamlindoro: And for DVB-S, won't work at all AIUI
[23:40:42] iamlindoro: Must use Myth's scanner
[23:40:43] sphery: only thing to know, on 0.21-fixes, if running mythtv-setup on a multi-core/multi-proc system, use: taskset -c 0 mythtv-setup
[23:40:51] iamlindoro: if only we had some sort of DVB-S wiki page
[23:40:52] xaxes: in which way? full scan (tune)?
[23:41:22] sphery: isn't there a wonderful DVB-S page on the wiki?
[23:41:39] sphery: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/DVB-S
[23:41:54] sphery: written by a true genious
[23:41:55] xaxes: thx
[23:42:02] iamlindoro: plus, you get to see my deck
[23:42:06] sphery: nice...
[23:42:23] sphery: I remember the days when I only dreamed of being able to see your deck.
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[23:42:37] iamlindoro: I know you did
[23:42:46] iamlindoro: oh, *deck*
[23:42:59] sphery: heh
[23:43:34] sphery: I'm starting to wonder if firefox just randomly dumps all cookies... Seems all my cookies expired today.
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[23:43:48] sphery: now I have to log back in to the wiki and the svn site and ...
[23:44:02] sphery: It truly is a minefield.
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[23:50:38] xaxes: mhh .. is there a way to control while mythtv-setup whether the scanning is in progress? every time I click on "ready"(to scan), the mask freezes
[23:50:58] xaxes: s/control/figure out transferings/
[23:51:06] xaxes: argsz.. too late -.-
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[23:57:23] sphery: xaxes: IIRC, a dialog box pops up on top of the part of the screen that shows you the scanning progress
[23:57:49] sphery: dialog may have progress bars on it (don't remember), but you miss the "scanning channel ..." stuff
[23:58:01] sphery: especially if running on a small screen/low resolution
[23:58:14] xaxes: mhh .. no it doesnt.. just in the moment I got one ^^ .. damn crap ^^ i think i should gonna sleep and look tomorrow ;)
[23:59:35] xaxes: thx :)
[23:59:37] xaxes: bye !
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