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Thursday, May 28th, 2009, 00:02 UTC

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clever:

ive never used them myself because i dont have a dvd drive in 90% of my myth box's

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wagnerrp:

because you actually have 10 boxes running myth

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djtansey:

clever: well, thanks for your help. I'll keep poking around.

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djtansey:

first going to run an instance of transcode outside of myth to see how well my system handles it

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wagnerrp:

what are you doing trying to transcode two DVDs at once anyway?

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clever:

wagnerrp: it might be a dual-core

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clever:

some people have better hardware then what i have:P

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wagnerrp:

that still doesnt mean you should be doing more than one

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djtansey:

it is indeed dual core. i'm doing the initial loading of the system. and ripping the vobs is a lot faster than the transcoding is. so i can easily queue them up.

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, ive no idea how mythvideo stores the temp files, it may clobber the 1st when ripping the 2nd

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wagnerrp:

clever: im saying you should be running the encoder multithreaded

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

that reminds me, ive seen some signs of multi-thread i mythcommflag

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clever:

durring a certain stage, it has 2 threads using cpu at oce

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clever:

i'm guessing decoding and flagging

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wagnerrp:

at least x264 and xvid are multithreaded, i dont know how much of ffmpeg is

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iamlindoro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHb5KtVT9Fo&feature=related

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iamlindoro:

So the question is, why do the myth devs want their software to shock people to death?

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clever:

shit!

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kormoc:

clever, language...

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clever:

2 noobs cite the power supply, which isnt even connected...

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clever:

kormoc: yeah, i forget sometimes

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wagnerrp:

thats quite a spark... almost like his coax is grounded against the AC line

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clever:

all my rogers cable boxes are electicaly hot

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clever:

and the coax is properly grounded

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clever:

so when i touch both, i can feel the power going thru my hands

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clever:

but its not even enough to give a spark

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clever:

and it seems to be low current, it hasnt stopped my heart yet(sorry iamlindoro :P) and it doesnt seem to cause any problem being 'shorted out'

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iamlindoro:

keep trying, you'll get it eventually

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clever:

ive run 120v in 1 hand and out the other countless times, but it never realy did anything

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clever:

must have allways been low current

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clever:

one of my old CRT monitors had the same problem

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kormoc:

try your tongue...

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clever:

heck, i think i ran full 120v ac right from the socket thru me atleast twice, and nothing horid happened

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wagnerrp:

current is meaningless, its all voltage

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iamlindoro:

so that's what happened to make you this way

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clever:

wagnerrp: current is what stops your heart, you just need enough voltage to get thru the skin

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clever:

iamlindoro: i was allready like this:P

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wagnerrp:

you cant supply a certain amount of current unless you have some electronics dedicated to doing so

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iamlindoro:

god help us all

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clever:

the GND of the socket above the stairs is HOT, so the whole computer tower was HOT when i connected it to a stereo in the other room

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wagnerrp:

its all dependant on what voltage you provide

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wagnerrp:

you dont provide a current, you provide a voltage

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wagnerrp:

the current just happens

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clever:

the 2 are heavily related

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clever:

to calculate it properly, you need to know what resistance its going thru

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iamlindoro:

Haha, I found a youtube myth demo with the guy's mom yelling at him in the background

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clever:

while i could measure the resistance of myself and the wires, and do the math

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wagnerrp:

my point still stands, you cannot specify a certain current unless you have some form of feedback loop to automatically adjust the voltage

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clever:

it would be somewhat simpler to just zap myself again, with the current meter in the loop

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clever:

wagnerrp: or a very high resistance that keeps it below the deadly level

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clever:

to keep it 'low' enough that it doesnt kill you instantly

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momelod:

greetings channel

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kormoc:

Are you a mamager?

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momelod:

ever since i upgraded to the latest ubuntu my hauppuage card is mis-behaving

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momelod:

after a reboot the card will capture fine for a show or two, but then freezes up and i cant watch live tv, or record anything..

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kormoc:

So... downgrade ubuntu?

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momelod:

i see these errors in my mythbackend.log: MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: select timeout – ivtv driver has stopped responding

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momelod:

kormoc: i would rather not. instead i would like to know what is going on and perhaps help solve the problem

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kormoc:

momelod, so check the output of dmesg for ivtv errors?

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** iamlindoro suggests asking in #ubuntu-mythtv, from whence the proverbial he who hast smelt it, hast dealt it **

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momelod:

kormoc: ivtv0: DMA TIMEOUT 00000001 0

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momelod:

tones of those

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kormoc:

they're shipping a older ivtv driver version

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kormoc:

the latest should have fixed those

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momelod:

i thought so, so i went to the ivtv site and downloaded the latest.. ivtv v1.4.1

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momelod:

same problems..

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momelod:

the version that was installed from the ubuntu repos was 1.4.0

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wagnerrp:

so you didnt read any documentation about 1.4?

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wagnerrp:

i think somewhere around 1.3, it stopped being a driver entirely

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momelod:

oh?

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momelod:

what would it be then?

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wagnerrp:

userland tools for controlling ivtv cards

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momelod:

i call it a driver b/c i load it into my kernel w/ modprobe

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wagnerrp:

the driver has been moved completely into the kernel source

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momelod:

maybe im not using the correct terminology

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wimpies:

hi all, I installed the mythweb plugin on ubuntu but apache does not seem to be able to find the mythweb plugin

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momelod:

so your saying its built into the kernel now?

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wagnerrp:

uh huh

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wimpies:

Although it is installed in /var/www/mythweb my apache seems to want to try to access htdocs

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wagnerrp:

it has been for some time, but i believe 1.3 marked it moving completely over

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wimpies:

however nowhere in the apache conf is htdocs used

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momelod:

wimpies: is there a mythweb.conf file under /etc/apache2/sites-enabled?

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wimpies:

momelod : yes there is

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wimpies:

(a link to sites-available)

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momelod:

paste the contents to pastebin.ca

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wimpies:

However I do not have a 'default' site ... I only use the my public-html (home directory) for my web content

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momelod:

wimpies: so, when i say modinfo ivtv is it showing me what version the kernel is using?

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momelod:

or the version i have loaded manually w/ modprobe

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wimpies:

momelod : the ivtv remark was that intended for me ? Here is my mythweb.conf file http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1436973

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wagnerrp:

the newer version do not have a kernel module to build

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wagnerrp:

the older versions will refuse to build against a newer kernel

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momelod:

wimpies: do the others .conf files in sites-enabled load?

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wimpies:

there are not others. I only use the public_html method. I.e. my website is in my home directory accessible by http://.../~foo

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momelod:

so u do most of your configuration in the httpd.conf file?

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momelod:

is there a line in your main conf file to include configurations from sites-enabled/*.conf ?

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wimpies:

I just enabled the 'default' apache site (/var/www) and apache provides them the 'It works !' page, so yes I think sites-enabled gets loaded

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wimpies:

momelod : enabling the default also seems to enable the mythweb.conf site ...

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wimpies:

Now I can access ...

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momelod:

nice

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wimpies:

momelod : access I can but when I click on mythweb.php It states my login is badly setup. And yes there is a .htaccess file linking to /etc/mythtv/htaccess

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wimpies:

which does not exists. I do have a /etc/mythtv/mythweb-digest containing user/password but I think that htaccess file should not be there

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wimpies:

Am i right ?

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android6011_:

on a 22" 1080p monitor will i notice a difference between hdmi and vga? the card I am using has both

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wagnerrp:

VGA will be a bit fuzzy

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wagnerrp:

and will continue to get more fuzzy as you use longer cables

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wagnerrp:

but under 10ft, you probably wont notice anything

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wagnerrp:

if you have hdmi/dvi on both... use digital

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wagnerrp:

theres no reason not to

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momelod:

wimpies: well, i see you have digest authentication setup in the conf file (/etc/mythtv/mythweb-digest), so yeah no need for the htaccess file (unless there are configs there auther than authentication)

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android6011_:

wagnerrp: im having audio over hdmi issues and im using speakers on monitor and it won't take the 3.5mm cable for sound if its using hdmi

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wagnerrp:

it wont use analog if youre using HDMI? or it wont use analog if it detects an audio feed over HDMI?

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android6011_:

wagnerrp: it wont use analog when im using hdmi

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wagnerrp:

the nvidia troubleshooting page described how to capture the EDID block, and modify it so the nvidia card will no longer send an audio header

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wagnerrp:

on the mythtv wiki

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Pontiac:

[7:52p] <wagnerrp> 'son of a bitch, i have a dead pixel... wait... its moving!'

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Pontiac:

LMFAO!

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** Pontiac sacrifices digital TV for analog to test dual tunerz. **

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Pontiac:

Looks like that slot isn't gonna work.

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Pontiac:

There we go.. Now I've got two.

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Pontiac:

Sha-weet.

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Pontiac:

YES! Both are recording. *bounces in his chair*

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Pontiac:

Now to figure out if both are recording audio properly.

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Pontiac:

.. er.. no... one is not recording..

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squidly:

is there a way i can have myth just give me listing of some file in a dir to play?

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squidly:

and a way to hid them behind pin number or something?

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flexy:

I think so. parental control of some sort in setups

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flexy:

don't know more, cause I'm not a parent, theres no reason to forbid anyone from watching the pr0n in this household...

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Pontiac:

I don't think you can PIN recordings.

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squidly:

Pontiac: not recoarding

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squidly:

movies

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clever:

but i think you can pin everything of a certain level

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clever:

and then assign video files(mythvideo) a certain level

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clever:

basicaly giving each rating a diff pw

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Pontiac:

Yeah, you can do that then. In the front end, you can manage your videos and assign the levels for each movie.

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clever:

no pw on the kiddie shows

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clever:

1 pw on the violence for the teenagers

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clever:

2nd pw for the parrents pron:P

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clever:

though it had 4 levels i think

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squidly:

clever: yea that is pretty much what I wnt to lock it out

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clever:

you can also password a 'recording group' to stop playback of recordings, but you can change the group for rules

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clever:

so while you can block the pron you got from satalite, the kids can make all future pronn go to a non-pw group

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clever:

but thats a seperate part outside of mythvid

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squidly:

clever: I dont get porn off sat.

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squidly:

I have just basic cable

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clever:

just an example

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squidly:

yea. I torrent it basicly

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squidly:

mostly what I want is a dir listing for my porn and other movies I dont want my kids to watch. But I want to be able to watch it on my frontend.

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clever:

i think you have to put each video into the special parrental group

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clever:

ive never used it myself

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squidly:

yea I dont wann have to do that

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clever:

dad doesnt use mythtv, and i dont even have the pron in sight of mythtv

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squidly:

heh

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clever:

i use a xterm to access it:P

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squidly:

I may do that

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clever:

command line makes my dads head spin :P

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squidly:

setup a local webpage

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squidly:

clever: I am the DAD!

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clever:

lol

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Pontiac:

Can anyone gimme a link to diagnose whats going on with my second tuner card? Linux sees it, but I remember seeing some more detailed information as to what its capabilities were.

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clever:

Pontiac: what card is it?

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squidly:

or is there a way to say anything under a specific dir to be listed tagged as a specific rating

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Dagmar:

Nope

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clever:

squidly: not that i know of

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Pontiac:

Tagging recordings (TV recordings or videos) are done at a database level, not file level.

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clever:

but you may be able to fudge it with sql, if you knew the schema

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squidly:

Pontiac: yea I know, perhaps a stored procedure or something

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squidly:

it would be a nice feature :D

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Pontiac:

Tagging at the file system level? How'd it be a nice feature?

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squidly:

to be able to lock down what dir's you have access to at with pin lvl

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squidly:

or to auto tag a file with a specific rating

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abqjp:

Ug! Scheduledirect completely removed channels 701–706. Anyone know how to record off of a channel which scheduledirect does not list at all?

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clever:

you might be able to tag every file in a dir using some custom sql

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squidly:

clever: yea I might

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clever:

but if you mess up, you may tag every file or delete something

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squidly:

yea

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Pontiac:

I have the distinct impression that I'll be purchasing a new tuner soon, as the second one doesn't seem to wanna work for whatever reason. The machine SEES it but can't talk to the eprom. :/

[03:14:18]

Dagmar:

Brooktree chipset?

[03:14:26]

Dagmar:

It's probably mis-detected the type of card.

[03:14:26]

Pontiac:

No.

[03:14:39]

Dagmar:

What kind of card is it?

[03:14:55]

Pontiac:

http://pastebin.ca/1437099

[03:14:58]

Pontiac:

KWorld of some sort.

[03:15:10]

Dagmar:

So basically, you have no idea.

[03:15:17]

Dagmar:

...because it *is* a Brooktree chipset.

[03:15:19]

Pontiac:

I can pull it and maybe take a pic of it.

[03:15:26]

Dagmar:

That's what the "Bt" part of "Bt8x8" means

[03:15:35]

Dagmar:

I'm not lookin' at it

[03:15:46]

Dagmar:

There's a whole page over at video4linux for identifying those types of things

[03:15:58]

Dagmar:

Look at line 6.

[03:16:09]

Dagmar:

THe phrase "autodetected" generally means "wrong"

[03:16:34]

Dagmar:

If you dig a bit you should be able to find some hints as to what alternate card type to tell it to think that is, and then the card will work as well as it's going to

[03:16:37]

Pontiac:

*powers off the machine*

[03:16:49]

clever:

http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&source=web& . . . ViMtJCuwbBdQ

[03:16:49]

Pontiac:

.. funky effects on the TV. heh

[03:16:57]

clever:

www.bttv-gallery.de/ i mean

[03:16:59]

Dagmar:

THis is one of the ugly problems with Bt cards... Manufacturers who made them cheaply tended to mix and match parts

[03:17:07]

Dagmar:

Oi.. .that's the site

[03:17:31]

clever:

beware, it has a crapload of images and needs a fair ammount of ram

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Pontiac:

Its an saa7131 card.

[03:20:50]

Pontiac:

Screw it. I'm just gonna get a better card tomorrow.

[03:21:13]

Dagmar:

Soon you shall see

[03:21:16]

Pontiac:

Paid like $30 three or four years ago for this thing.

[03:21:25]

Dagmar:

The differnce between those and the PVR cards is not just like night to day

[03:21:37]

Dagmar:

It's like the difference between driving to work in a cheap car

[03:21:42]

Dagmar:

...and dragging yourself there by your elbows.

[03:21:48]

Pontiac:

heh

[03:22:20]

Pontiac:

Now to compare whats compatible out of the box, what is capable of running with my machine, and what I can find from my suppliers.

[03:23:31]

tank-man:

for $30 now, you can get the pvr150

[03:23:34]

clever:

Dagmar: lol, yeah

[03:23:40]

Dagmar:

PVR-150 for NTSC broadcast.

[03:23:41]

Dagmar:

Done.

[03:23:48]

Dagmar:

It'll work

[03:24:00]

Pontiac:

If I want it tomorrow, its not gonna be an ebay buy. ;)

[03:24:01]

clever:

for some reason, the alsa drivers for my sound card have up and died, so now my bttv is unusable

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Dagmar:

Well, let me put it another way then

[03:24:25]

clever:

and that card has allways been wonky

[03:24:38]

Dagmar:

You can spend the next three days agonizing on how to make whatever piece of crap you bought from Fry's partially work

[03:24:46]

clever:

the audio must be coming out the speakers, for me to record it

[03:24:57]

Dagmar:

...or you can just have someone 3-day UPS ship you a PVR-150 and spend the next three days drinking sake.

[03:25:09]

clever:

i spent several days agonizing over the damn sound card to get it to even capture

[03:25:25]

clever:

i eventualy gave up with common sense and did every posible combination of audio options

[03:25:25]

Pontiac:

Or spend another 3 days after receiving the UPS shipment only to find out its DOA.

[03:25:29]

clever:

brute force

[03:25:41]

Pontiac:

Don't trust EBay computer hardware. ;)

[03:26:04]

tank-man:

you can get the pvr-150 for $30 new, forget ebay

[03:26:33]

tank-man:

http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=36 . . . promoid=1018

[03:27:47]

Dagmar:

Well, rest assured that if you go out and buy another framegrabber card and can't get it to work, we're just going to laugh at you

[03:28:12]

Dagmar:

We'll probably laugh at you even if you do get it to work because it'll still be a framegrabber card.

[03:28:15]

Pontiac:

{smirk} Knowing that, I just won't tell ya when I plug it in and fail. ;)

[03:29:01]

Dagmar:

I know how to make a fire using a branch, some twine, and bit of firewood.

[03:29:09]

Dagmar:

I use a Bic lighter anyway.

[03:30:01]

clever:

thats pretty simple

[03:30:22]

clever:

just make the branch into a bow and use that to spin a 2nd branch

[03:30:28]

dragonian:

you can't even give away pvr-150's anymore :)

[03:30:45]

Pontiac:

... nor can I find any retailers selling 150s.

[03:31:01]

dragonian:

really?

[03:31:24]

Pontiac:

Checked my local shop, bestbuy, and futureshit. Nadda with the 150s.

[03:31:29]

Pontiac:

Well still checking bestbuy.

[03:31:53]

tank-man:

I just posted a url above for a store with it in stock

[03:32:16]

Pontiac:

Which is located in BC.

[03:32:50]

tank-man:

which is also located on the internet and does sales over the internet

[03:33:25]

dragonian:

they also have a ncixus

[03:33:31]

dragonian:

http://www.ncixus.com/products/36422/1062/HAUPPAUGE/

[03:33:48]

Pontiac:

Again, the problem is that its a wait time. :P

[03:34:18]

dragonian:

impatient.. :)

[03:34:25]

tank-man:

versus having nothing

[03:34:26]

Pontiac:

Yes, I am. :]

[03:34:39]

Pontiac:

Nothing? No. I have other alternatives.

[03:34:46]

Pontiac:

The 150 isn't the end all.

[03:34:52]

subquake:

good evening my car-fan

[03:34:55]

subquake:

er

[03:34:57]

subquake:

mr

[03:35:07]

Pontiac:

Morning.

[03:35:15]

subquake:

no, you're upside-down

[03:35:25]

subquake:

get your head out of your butt

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[03:35:47]

Pontiac:

I thought som'n smelled off.

[03:35:48]

wagnerrp:

well, yeah... the 150 (and friends) is the end all of SD analog capture

[03:36:47]

wagnerrp:

you may be able to find better quality on some other card

[03:37:04]

Pontiac:

wagnerrp> I'll cede to your experience, but I'm not stuck to the 150 (and friends). I'm also looking at the 1600, which is available all over the place. I'm just hard pressed (But not not completely opposed) to spend that kinda cash.

[03:37:04]

dragonian:

(hdpvr) :)

[03:37:19]

wagnerrp:

the 1600 is a 'friend'

[03:37:47]

Pontiac:

I really do wish I had your experience with this stuff. heh

[03:38:08]

wagnerrp:

its not so much that the 150 is the 'end all', but that framegrabbers suck

[03:38:11]

Pontiac:

I am so out of it when it comes to hardware anymore. Been outta it for 2 years.

[03:38:37]

wagnerrp:

and the IVTV cards are common, relatively cheap, work great on linux, and (at least used to be) readily available

[03:39:12]

subquake:

I have a question for anyone. I got the firmware installed and I can view what's on the s-video input, but when I select the source of "television" I get no signal.

[03:39:25]

subquake:

for an ATSC 115 kworld

[03:39:25]

wagnerrp:

you can get a PlextorX, or anything that can output RTSP

[03:39:34]

wagnerrp:

but those tend to be a bit more expensive

[03:39:47]

wagnerrp:

last i checked the plextor went for $120

[03:39:52]

dragonian:

i'm a little sad that i have 5 different socket 939 amd procs & mobos.. collecting dust.

[03:40:00]

Pontiac:

AMD?

[03:40:02]

wagnerrp:

i think theres also one or two other mpeg4 USB capture devices

[03:40:13]

dragonian:

yes

[03:40:22]

Pontiac:

If yer gonna give 'em away...... ;)

[03:40:28]

wagnerrp:

dragonian: yeah, the upgrade path on that pretty well got cut off

[03:40:50]

wagnerrp:

but then again... i have ONCE ever bought a processor and used it on the old board

[03:41:19]

wagnerrp:

and as it turned out the old board was incapable of stably handling the FSB speed of the new chip, and i had to replace it anyway

[03:41:20]

dragonian:

well i swtiched back intel when i needed more HP to do h.264 last year

[03:41:25]

dragonian:

now i'm using vdpau.

[03:41:58]

dragonian:

and ions :)

[03:42:07]

dragonian:

err atoms

[03:42:15]

Pontiac:

For the 1600, at Staples, the price tag is 149.95... At Future Shop, its $144.99. At Canada Computers, its $129.99.

[03:42:34]

wagnerrp:

expensive, i think newegg has them for <$100

[03:42:35]

subquake:

I've been testing with tvtime and just can't get the antenna to pick up a signal (broadcast)

[03:42:43]

Pontiac:

... just.. canada computers doesn't seem to have it in my local store.

[03:42:47]

wagnerrp:

the 2250 is only $130, although analog on that is not yet supported

[03:42:52]

dragonian:

amazon has for $85

[03:43:11]

wagnerrp:

oh, canadian prices...

[03:43:16]

wagnerrp:

whats the exchange rate these days?

[03:43:42]

Pontiac:

.8993.

[03:44:10]

Pontiac:

http://www.bankofcanada.ca/en/rates/converter.html

[03:44:16]

dragonian:

http://www92.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=%241

[03:44:26]

dragonian:

$1.12

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wagnerrp:

looks like theyre $105 at the newegg.ca store

[03:45:47]

wagnerrp:

$140 for the 2250

[03:48:36]

subquake:

are you all looking up various cards?

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wagnerrp:

just those two

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Dagmar:

We're long past hte point of having to look at many cards.

[03:49:56]

Dagmar:

We know which ones don't suck.

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subquake:

lol

[03:50:12]

Dagmar:

That wasn't a joke.

[03:50:38]

Dagmar:

Every time someone buys some new card, we hear about it.

[03:50:55]

Dagmar:

...and there's at least one person in here with a cracked-out framegrabber card every day.

[03:51:18]

Dagmar:

KWorld, Phillips, Hauppauge, ASUS... we hear about them all

[03:51:20]

iamlindoro:

which contributes significantly to irritation in here

[03:51:45]

iamlindoro:

a dozen people with probably 50 years combined myth experience says don't buy that, and 50% of people still do

[03:51:54]

Dagmar:

Like when we say "Don't buy a framegrabber card" we say this with the knowledge of hte pain of thousands of news who have come before

[03:52:01]

Dagmar:

It's not just a snap observation.

[03:52:11]

Dagmar:

s/news/newbs/

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wagnerrp:

basically, were not pushing IVTV cards, were shunning framegrabbers, and IVTV cards are the primary alternative

[03:52:21]

subquake:

I just went with cheap

[03:52:22]

Dagmar:

I've got like eight of the damn things collected over the last fifteen years

[03:52:32]

subquake:

how can I tell the difference?

[03:52:37]

Dagmar:

They are all various degrees of crap.

[03:52:37]

clever:

Dagmar: ship them here! :P

[03:52:45]

Dagmar:

clever: Um no.

[03:53:06]

Dagmar:

subquake: Well, there's always radical caloric testing.

[03:53:22]

wagnerrp:

HAH

[03:53:22]

clever:

:D

[03:53:31]

wagnerrp:

test them for nutritional value in a blast keg

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Dagmar:

i.e., put them in a sealed steel container with something very flammable, and then measure the energy released in teh container as they burn.

[03:53:48]

clever:

we may need to 'test' 100 or 200 to get a good sample size to compare against

[03:53:59]

clever:

to see how much it varries within a single type

[03:54:12]

iamlindoro:

I'd wager the nutritive value of framegrabbers far outstrips their myth value

[03:54:35]

wagnerrp:

lots of heavy metals!

[03:55:26]

Dagmar:

Wow. I don't want to post this to the channel but... wow

[03:55:58]

Dagmar:

I'll let iamlindoro be the water mark on whether or not that's appropriate for general consumption

[03:56:02]

wagnerrp:

well now youve piqued our interest, post it already...

[03:56:46]

iamlindoro:

heh

[03:56:57]

iamlindoro:

it's not gory, I don't see why not

[03:57:30]

iamlindoro:

certainly movie deaths are significantly more graphic, I say post it

[03:58:34]

Dagmar:

Dude catches on FIRE

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iamlindoro:

well, yeah, a little

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iamlindoro:

I may not be the best barometer, I've been a first responder

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wagnerrp:

that sounded like an AC power line!

[03:59:26]

Dagmar:

DC

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wagnerrp:

really? why the oscillation?

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clever:

?

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Dagmar:

Cux I'm pretty sure he blew a couple of fingers off initially, which broke the circuit

[04:00:29]

iamlindoro:

pew pew

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wagnerrp:

had to be more than that

[04:00:55]

wagnerrp:

on both bursts, it was the same tone

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clever:

link?

[04:01:42]

Dagmar:

You might be right. Either way, that guy clearly didn't suffer.

[04:01:43]

iamlindoro:

ugh, this lack of TV is hurting

[04:04:06]

Dagmar:

I still don't see what tone you were talking about

[04:04:16]

Dagmar:

I think what we're hearing there is explosive evaporation

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iamlindoro:

If so, he was much lighter being carried out ;)

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wagnerrp:

did he even grab it?

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wagnerrp:

i think seeing it in person might have an effect... but watching someone cellphone cam, its almost comical

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Dagmar:

He grabbed it

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wagnerrp:

it looked like it first arced before he had a chance to

[04:33:30]

Pontiac:

If I go with the 1600, how easy is it to get lirc running with the remote?

[04:33:45]

Dagmar:

Already documented

[04:33:50]

** Pontiac checks **

[04:38:42]

wagnerrp:

well after about 10 minutes of tinkering, i *almost* have standby working

[04:38:49]

wagnerrp:

i can put the machine in standby

[04:38:55]

wagnerrp:

i can bring it out with the power button

[04:38:59]

wagnerrp:

i can bring it out with WOL

[04:39:05]

wagnerrp:

i can bring it out with the USB remote

[04:39:19]

wagnerrp:

however at that point, the receiver stops responding

[04:39:30]

wagnerrp:

and has to be unplugged and plugged back in before i can use the remote

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clever:

i had similar problems with my usb hdd enclosure, wouldnt work after a reboot or power up

[04:41:33]

clever:

like it crashes durring bootup

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Pontiac:

wagnerrp> Fan of the 1600? If you say yes, I'll burn money on it.

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clever:

but the whole enclosure is toast now

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wagnerrp:

Pontiac: never used one, ive heard there used to be some driver issues

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wagnerrp:

but, its the only in-production IVTV card you can buy

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Floppe:

any solution on how to get teletext to use entire screen and not only like this? http://yfrog.com/10teletextlittlescreenj

[04:56:37]

wagnerrp:

that looks rather distracting with only a partial screen

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Floppe:

mm

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Floppe:

hard to read anything from it

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wagnerrp:

hard to see the game behind it

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Floppe:

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subquake:

I need some help!

[05:20:57]

Pontiac:

... don't we all? {smirk}

[05:21:01]

subquake:

yes!

[05:21:35]

subquake:

sudo modprobe saa7134

[05:21:35]

subquake:

WARNING: All config files need .conf: /etc/modprobe.d/oss-compat, it will be ignored in a future release.

[05:21:45]

subquake:

does that message mean I mess something up?

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wagnerrp:

that sounds like something you need to ask of your distro

[05:23:06]

subquake:

hmm

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Floppe:

as I understand it the files need to be named something.conf

[05:23:24]

subquake:

its kind of bizzarre

[05:23:59]

subquake:

I've been able to use the tuner and get s-video, but the digital tuner isn't working

[05:24:19]

subquake:

and I can't get w_scan to recognize my card

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subquake:

please ignore me, I'm too darn impatient

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k-man:

which table stores the shows you have scheduled to record?

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wagnerrp:

i dont think any

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wagnerrp:

i think thats all stored internally in memory

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k-man:

huh?

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k-man:

i mean – when you schedule a show to record, where is that stored?

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k-man:

looks like its the record table maybe

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sivchand:

What does this line in mythbackend.log means "ATSCStreamData::HandleTables(): Unknown table 0xc0 "

[06:08:26]

sivchand:

i am new to mythtv. Please help me.

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subquake:

do you know what the backend is?

[07:02:41]

subquake:

er, its mysql server

[07:03:08]

subquake:

I think it means that it's missing an argument or something

[07:04:32]

subquake:

the table is a reference to the database and it just means that whatever was referenced is not available. This could be if mysql server is not running, or you cannot connect to it

[07:04:39]

subquake:

or perhaps that the table doesn't exist

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clever:

nope

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subquake:

I fail

[07:04:50]

clever:

thats refering to the DVB tables

[07:04:55]

wagnerrp:

more likely hes trying to tune a QAM channel

[07:05:03]

subquake:

yay peoples!

[07:05:06]

wagnerrp:

and the cableco has moved around their program streams

[07:05:21]

clever:

that sounds alot more likely then an sql error

[07:05:26]

clever:

and ive never even used digital cards

[07:05:28]

subquake:

thank you =P

[07:05:35]

subquake:

the heck if I know whats going on

[07:05:42]

clever:

and my ir blaster just failed even harder:P

[07:05:47]

clever:

its recording the tv guide again

[07:06:00]

wagnerrp:

why are you thanking us, it wasnt your question

[07:06:14]

subquake:

why oh why can't I get a signal to come in from my antenna?

[07:06:21]

subquake:

I like to have good info

[07:06:22]

wagnerrp:

anyway, sivchand, this is all purely conjecture

[07:06:40]

wagnerrp:

you may want to try a rescan, but i have no idea if thats your problem

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sivchand:

i have tried rescanning still the same problem.

[07:08:33]

subquake:

has it worked before?

[07:09:16]

subquake:

what stopped working?

[07:09:18]

sivchand:

earlier i used schedulesdirect, now i turned on eit

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wagnerrp:

youre in the US?

[07:10:14]

sivchand:

when using schedulesdirect i did not have these problems.

[07:10:36]

wagnerrp:

if youre in the US, dont bother with EIT

[07:10:39]

wagnerrp:

its next to worthless

[07:10:50]

subquake:

heh

[07:11:05]

wagnerrp:

its usable for live tv, and thats about it

[07:11:14]

wagnerrp:

usually you get the next show

[07:11:24]

wagnerrp:

at the very best, they might give you the rest of the day's programming

[07:11:37]

clever:

what about canada?

[07:12:00]

wagnerrp:

i cant say what you canucks do up there

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sivchand:

thanks folks

[07:12:08]

clever:

lol :(

[07:12:08]

subquake:

either of you two familiar with xine?

[07:12:40]

wagnerrp:

there you go again... primary user of all but the smiley face

[07:13:03]

clever:

lol :)

[07:13:15]

clever:

i'll increase that soon! :)

[07:13:20]

subquake:

anger! >:o

[07:13:22]

wagnerrp:

i would imagine canada is much the same in terms of EIT usefulness

[07:13:35]

wagnerrp:

but ive not really heard anyone in here talk about it

[07:14:30]

subquake:

xine has some kind of DVB function, but I can't use it without the channels.conf

[07:14:42]

subquake:

so I got one created, but I don't know how to get it loaded

[07:15:00]

subquake:

and the documentation is useless...

[07:15:13]

subquake:

can't find the supposed "README.dvb" doc...

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clever:

try throwing a copy in ~/.xine/

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subquake:

what is this ~~~

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clever:

your home directory

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subquake:

the user home?

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wagnerrp:

some quick googleing to the rescue... http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DVB-S#Xine

[07:16:26]

clever:

subquake: something like /home/james/

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wagnerrp:

tilda '~', the thing above the hash '`'

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wagnerrp:

not a dash

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wagnerrp:

next to the 1

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subquake:

really

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clever:

wagnerrp: he had the right key, and he typed it 3 times

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subquake:

so it just needs me to make the dumb directory?

[07:17:22]

clever:

xine will have probly made the directory allready

[07:17:27]

subquake:

yes! 3 for anger at not being able to understand it

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wagnerrp:

oh, at my font size, tilda and dash look identical

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clever:

you just need to put the file in there, i think

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subquake:

nope, I see nothing =/

[07:17:53]

clever:

what username do you login as?

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subquake:

what the

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wagnerrp:

try '${HOME}/.xine/'

[07:18:37]

wagnerrp:

you should have files in your home directory

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clever:

that works just as much as ~, when in command line

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subquake:

for some reason it just doesn't show up in the gui

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wagnerrp:

but the .xine directory may very well not exist

[07:18:51]

clever:

i suspect he is using a GUI file manager

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clever:

see:P

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subquake:

but in the terminal it exists

[07:19:03]

subquake:

you so smart

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wagnerrp:

files preceded with a period are hidden

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clever:

all directorys starting with . are hidden

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clever:

lol:)

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subquake:

because that's intelligent design to SOME people

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subquake:

just not to the lame windows users =P

[07:19:48]

subquake:

wait wait...

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wagnerrp:

its all based off unix standards from 40 years ago

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subquake:

:P

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clever:

. and .. are hidden on dos and windows

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subquake:

there we go

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clever:

linux/unix just extend it to everything starting with .

[07:20:43]

wagnerrp:

they arent hidden, theyre just pseudo directories

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wagnerrp:

to let you traverse upwards

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clever:

wagnerrp: yeah, but ls and dir 'hide' them from the listing

[07:21:35]

wagnerrp:

because ls and dir expect you have some minimal knowledge of your operating system

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clever:

and the code to hide '.*' is simpler then the code to hide '.' AND '..', so it may have originaly even been an attempt to shorten the code a tad:P

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subquake:

okay that is strange

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clever:

dir, going the long route of blocking 2 exact strings, ls going the short route of checking 1 character

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wagnerrp:

its not blocking them, they dont exist

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clever:

wagnerrp: . and .. do exist, as hard-links to directorys usualy

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subquake:

so what does it mean when xine quits on me when I try to select the dvb? did I make a bad .conf?

[07:23:20]

clever:

which is why the linkcount(the thing for hardlinks) on a dir, refers to how many subdir's a dir has

[07:23:31]

wagnerrp:

it means this is the mythtv support page

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wagnerrp:

we really dont know our way around xine

[07:23:41]

subquake:

bah

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clever:

it shouldnt just up and close when you pick dvb and it has an error

[07:23:41]

subquake:

!

[07:23:51]

clever:

it should give an error

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subquake:

I agree

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clever:

open a terminal and run xine, then repeat

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subquake:

pid type 0x81, has audio 0

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subquake:

xiTK received SIGSEGV signal, RIP.

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subquake:

Aborted

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subquake:

hey thats interesting

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subquake:

I must find out what it means

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clever:

SIGSERV == heart attack:P

[07:25:31]

clever:

xine exploded

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clever:

not good:P

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wagnerrp:

segfaults are always fun

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clever:

thats also the exact thing i was expecting when you said it closed

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subquake:

it looks fun

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subquake:

Hmm... some dev post says that it needed some additional code... someone else says that the stable source needs to be manually compiled or something

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subquake:

a little progress when I try and specify a channel at the command line

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subquake:

I get a snippit of a show and then sigsegv

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subquake:

it gives me : *** glibc detected *** xine: free(): invalid pointer: 0xab706008 ***

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subquake:

and some backtrace info

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juski:

mmm segfaulty

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** clever drools **

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gagbro:

best served with fresh disk crash at the side

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gbee:

must have wandered into #xine by accident

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juski:

hey, apparently SkyHD's 'new EPG' software groups recordings. Meh. It even lets you get info on upcoming shows just by selecting them & pressing a button. Effing hell they should patent that!

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juski:

.. meaning that their software couldn't do that before?! how did anybody put up with that?

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gbee:

juski: well I could point to their ever decreasing viewer/customer numbers and suggest that they didn't put up with it ;)

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jduggan:

hmmm

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jduggan:

ppl are actually leaving sky?

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jduggan:

wonder if the 'credit crunch' has anything to do with that

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clever:

i think my rogers cable box has had that ever since we got it

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clever:

open the 'info' on a program and you can see the times it airs on next, and the info for them

[11:32:11]

clever:

but you cant actualy record

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clever:

and its imposible to view old info, so you cant see what just ended 30 seconds ago

[11:34:17]

clever:

they recently did a major overhaul of the firmware, and it seems alot faster

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sid3windr:

oh nice

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sid3windr:

mythfilldatabase segfaults

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clever:

but nothing realy new

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sid3windr:

so I have no guide data

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clever:

ouch

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sid3windr:

since 14 days, too I guess

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sid3windr:

because I notice today there's nut'n

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sid3windr:

the file itself is fine :/

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juski:

had another reply from oldham council about their data protection breach. now they have to get google to remove the cached info. wish them all the luck with that

[11:49:48]

sid3windr:

that actually takes just one email

[11:49:57]

sid3windr:

I think they have even a webinterface for exactly that

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juski:

this is a local authority we're talking about here. if they'd known what they were doing in the 1st place they wouldn't have unleashed tens of property owners' details on the web

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sid3windr:

=)

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sid3windr:

true dat

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sid3windr:

and they can't look it up, because if you type google in to google...

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juski:

I told the neighbours about the leak the other week. nobody seemed at all fussed

[11:53:10]

juski:

good job somebody's bothered. the info is available elsewhere of course but not as easily as typing stuff into google

[11:53:27]

juski:

certainly not for free either

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sid3windr:

what info actually? :P

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juski:

names, addresses, actual land area owned

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juski:

stuff ordinarily available from HM Land Registry for a fee

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sid3windr:

handy dandy

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sid3windr:

and grmbl, apparently my xmltv data is not valid xml

[12:02:01]

sid3windr:

when's SD gonna cover Belgium :(

[12:02:23]

juski:

they were looking into providing euro EPG data apparently

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sid3windr:

yeah, I know

[12:03:00]

sid3windr:

I filled out the survey and all

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sid3windr:

but currently I'm using <small>mc2xml</small> which apparently doesn't really know what it's writing out ;/

[12:04:30]

juski:

ahh that old chestnut

[12:04:41]

sid3windr:

# Escape lt and gt symbols (<,>) in some listings that improperly contain them

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sid3windr:

heh, there's a new version I think :>

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juski:

I dunno if it has options to not steal data from MS...

[12:05:07]

sid3windr:

it does

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sid3windr:

unfortunately I am not using those, so I keep quiet about it in here

[12:05:28]

sid3windr:

but it can do SD as well

[12:05:38]

sid3windr:

then someone noticed it was not on the authorized clients list for SD or something.. doh

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juski:

I tried it once to see what it did & immediately felt dirty

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gbee:

well so can a proper xmltv grabber ....

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sid3windr:

:)

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sid3windr:

juski: there are a number of belgian grabbers available, they're ALL violating the TOS of the sites they're scraping

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sid3windr:

so I rather have ms think I'm using MCE until I can get listings from SD for example ;/

[12:07:22]

sid3windr:

anyway, it works again \o/

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hashbang:

heyas

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hashbang:

is it xmltv/EIT that provides the data for the category and category_type rows of the program table?

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gbee:

jduggan: they've seen year on year declines of viewer numbers, I believe subcriber numbers generally trend upwards though, as do their profits, but compared to 14 years ago _fewer_ people are actually watching stuff on Sky ....

[12:10:52]

jduggan:

gbee: im not disappointed =]

[12:11:08]

gbee:

not quite sure how that works, they increase their subscriber numbers but none of them actually use the service? :)

[12:11:34]

jduggan:

maybe people watch less TV

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jduggan:

or subscriber == phone&internet numbers also

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hashbang:

and if so, why are some movies Film,movie, whilst others are Movie,movie and a few Film,tvshow ?

[12:13:55]

juski:

methinks they prolly include broadband/phone in their subs stats#

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gbee:

hashbang: xmltv provides category, category_type is derived, if possible, from that information by myth

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jduggan:

they seem to get good ratings for their broadband service

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gbee:

Sky 1 figures are down from 9% of total viewing share, to under 1%, total viewing share (all sky channels) is down from 22% to 8% over the last 15 years

[12:17:20]

gbee:

but in that time they've pushed up subs and branched out into telecoms, so yeah, they are keeping afloat in other ways

[12:18:21]

gbee:

hashbang: category is provided by the grabber in your local language, category_type will or should always be movie since it's used internally for filters etc

[12:24:37]

hashbang:

gbee: that's what I'd expect, but something is sometimes setting catgeory_type to tvshow

[12:24:43]

hashbang:

gbee: EIT, maybe?

[12:27:52]

gbee:

may be that EIT isn't handling it correctly

[12:28:08]

gbee:

that would be our EIT parsing stuff

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hashbang:

gbee: from my reading of libs/libmythtv/mpeg/dvbdescriptors.cpp, it looks like 'tvshow' is the default if EIT doesn't recognise a show as a movie or sports

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hashbang:

gbee: which suggests it's being fed duff data OTA

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juski:

I should chip in on #6576 about disabling 'useonairguide' – which should stop it crawling dbox2 channels since I submitted that change originally

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juski:

but is it worth it since dbox2 support looks like it'll be removed

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** juski goes for a ferret in the source **

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laga:

juski: you should chip in about "not a bug, gtfo" ;)

[12:56:38]

juski:

good point

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juski:

intended behaviour!

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laga:

which i was gonna do, but i lost my password

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juski:

I'll see if the code still looks at the useonairguide column in the channel table in the dbox2 code first

[12:58:26]

juski:

dbox2epg.cpp or dbox2channel.cpp likely

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juski:

yeah looks like it still does that

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hashbang:

oh, any insight why the channel scanner reckons Russia Today is encrypted?

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juski:

a bug? ;-)

[12:59:26]

juski:

or maybe flagged as encrypted by mistook

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juski:

to stop you pesky capitalist scum watching it

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gbee:

dbox2 support _may_ be removed, but someone might still step forward and pledge to support it

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hashbang:

juski: if I add it manually, then disable MHEG, I can view recordings

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juski:

I sold my dbox to a guy at work. he still bugs me to fix it, but he won't be here much longer

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gbee:

"The combination of third-party developers and network connectivity which facilitates card sharing, makes DBox2 (and the DBox2 based Dreambox) use particularly common among enthusiasts and those who intend to obtain services without payment." – Wikipedia

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hashbang:

juski: incidentally, as it's state-run, I'm sure they'd love us pesky capitalist scum watching it. :-)

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juski:

if he's not using it as a networked media player with high quality SDTV RGB out that's his lookout

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** juski whistles & looks shifty **

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gbee:

heh, so DBox production ceased back in 2001, only devices that remain in circulation are second hand, hardly a candidate for continued support

[13:02:22]

juski:

gbee: it has a proper CI etc though, so to all intents & purposes IS legit

[13:02:35]

juski:

though not in the UK generally speaking

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juski:

there are newer boxes which run basically the same software too – computer fairs here are rife with them

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gbee:

juski: sure, just can't be that many owners around still

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juski:

ah but there are. good many on ebay too still

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laga:

gbee: i have one ;)

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laga:

i dont use it, though

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juski:

its puny 10mbit network connection couldn't hack most SDTV

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juski:

hack... oops

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juski:

handle

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juski:

the newer boxes all have 100Mbit NICs, are smaller, more reliable.. yada yada

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juski:

easier to come by too, and all use software based on the dodgybox2 gear i.e. enigma or whatever it's called

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juski:

aaaanyway, I'll log in & close the ticket. make it the one thing I'll have contributed in a while

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juski:

crap. can't close it

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juski:

oh well. wonder if my svn privs are gone too. no great loss to the world if so

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juski:

oh noes! it change the channel during livetv! I just stopped caring

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Essobi:

Morning.

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Pontiac:

It'd be nice to be able to mark an upcoming show as a duplicate, or an already captured video, or whatever you want to call it.

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juski:

pah

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juski:

it's better to record too many showings than not enough :D

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juski:

poor MCE users I know end up with lots of duplicates despite telling it to only record new showings

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juski:

the end result being they actually miss new showings

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juski:

I know which I'd rather have

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juski:

besides, we're beholden to the EPG data providers really. if they can't mark the data accurately or consistently then it doesn't matter what myth can do

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weiser:

Anybody having some experince with Freebox recorder, I want to use it for other streams, if it is possible?

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J-e-f-f-A:

weiser: Not me... I'm a MythTV-only shop here. ;-)

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gbee:

heh, Time Warner is dumping AOL

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squidly:

anyone ever have a multiple backend setup?

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squidly:

like a master and a slave backend?

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squidly:

how well does that work?

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juski:

works very well

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juski:

works as well as one backend on its own :)

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juski:

heh somebody here has his cards marked now for suggesting the directors take a pay cut to save money rather than what they're doing

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squidly:

lol

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squidly:

juski: thanks :D

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** J-e-f-f-A hasn't ventured into Master/Slave BE setups yet... 5 tuners now and still room for more... ;-) **

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juski:

before multirec came along I needed an extra tuner around xmas time

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squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: my currnet backend box. single amdx64 2.4ghz 512mb ram

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squidly:

and it's a cheap crappy backend

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J-e-f-f-A:

juski: Yeah, multirec don't work with a stb feeding analog video into a tuner... :-( You guys are lucky over there! ;-)

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juski:

oof. the guy is talking about going to the FSF & MPEG.org now

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squidly:

so I'm looking at getting a pair of x335's and putting them in my rack at home with a couple of tuner cards each.

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squidly:

juski: what guy?

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juski:

the guy

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cesman:

squidly: MBE and SBE work very well together

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J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: My first backend was a Dual PIII 866 w/512mb ram. Ran 5 tuners on it too... ;-) (PVR-250, PVR-500, HD-3000 and HD-5500) ;-)

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squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: my backed is constanty dropping out stuff. Also my backend is doing raid1 and raid5, web, dns, nfs, dhcp, ntp, cups, torrents, sql, samba, ldap,

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J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: I had considered a slave BE to run a couple of USB HVR-950 ATSC tuners, but never got around to setting that up. (At the time they required some nasty 'hacks' to work, which 'broke' all other tuners in the same box...)

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squidly:

it's over loaded. And most of that stuff I want to move off to a pair of boxes for clustering

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squidly:

ugg

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J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: but that was like 2+ years ago, I think things are better now..

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squidly:

yea I think they are too

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squidly:

ivtv0: All encoder VBI stream buffers are full. Dropping data.

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squidly:

any idea how I can fix that issue?

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juski:

stop recording CC data?

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iamlindoro:

there should be many references to that in the users list archive

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juski:

there should be a law against it

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iamlindoro:

but I must be wrong, since no doubt you searched that first before asking here

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juski:

oh god, there really is cause to go to the FSF etc

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juski:

whoops

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: oddly enough, I see those too, and don't *intend* to record VBI data, but don't see where to shut it off anymore... (0.21-fixes) – don't see it in mythtv-setup, where I would expect/STR seeing it...

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squidly:

iamlindoro: all I've seen is "the app is not reading data fastenough"

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J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: just did a gossamer thread search and this looks quite useful: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/ . . . fers;#317918

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squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: oh thanks

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squidly:

I usualy just hit google

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A, squidly: Yes, that would be the aforementioned solution ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: gossamer hosts the searchable archives of the mythtv mailing lists. Much better in most cases than a 'world-wide' search (too much junk then!)

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squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: yea, I'll remember that

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squidly:

ty :D

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J-e-f-f-A:

squidly: bookmark http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv

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squidly:

J-e-f-f-A: too late :)

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J-e-f-f-A:

;-)

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** J-e-f-f-A wonders if that will help with his 'tinny/scratchy audio' issues on the PVR tuners occasionally... **

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squidly:

now can I change that with out having to reboot my box

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... That's odd, I wonder why I did that... My first ivtv alias in modprobe.conf is "alias char-major-81 videodev" With 81–0 ivtv and 81–1 ivtv after it... with 3 tuners (PVR-250, PVR-500), maybe that 1st one should be '81 ivtv" instead of videodev, and I should have a "81–2 ivtv"???? Humm...

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** J-e-f-f-A thinks that this may be contibuting/causing my tinny/scratchy audio issues... Humm... **

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adamjseed:

is there anyone experienced in DVB Cards able to give me a hand?

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meshe:

the best way to ask a question in this room is to state your problem and ask a specific question

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Shadow__X:

right also if its a question not about mythtv #linuxtv might be a better place

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adamjseed:

When im scanning for channels in mythtv it says: "failed to open the card"

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juski:

insufficient privileges, I suspect

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juski:

or mythbackend is running & already using the card

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adamjseed:

is there anyway i can tell?

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adamjseed:

i have manually stoped mythtv...

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adamjseed:

sudo /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend stop < i think i used

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meshe:

ps auxww | grep myth

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adamjseed:

what am i looking for with that meshe?

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meshe:

mythbackend

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adamjseed:

no mythbackend there

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adamjseed:

but still in the scan type: Failed to open the card

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adamjseed:

would zone alarm cause anything?

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meshe:

i'm not sure where dvb cards are in /dev, but to check permissions ls -alFh /path/to/my/dvb/card

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meshe:

zone alarm has a linux client?

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juski:

zone alarm? for loonix?

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adamjseed:

sorry lol zoneminder

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meshe:

if your cameras are hooked up to the card you are tyring to scan, maybe

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adamjseed:

does: /dev/dvb/adapter0/ sound right for the location?

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adamjseed:

nah, this is just the dvb card

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adamjseed:

zoneminder just uses the other dvr card

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iamlindoro:

adamjseed: You were told yesterday that you are trying to use a S2API card in myth, which has no S2API support

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iamlindoro:

Apparently you have decided that information was useless, and it would be better to waste these nice people's time

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adamjseed:

imalindoro, i took that on, but i have been told that the card should perform as a DVB-S Card with the firmware it is currently using

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** iamlindoro sighs, returns to the mines **

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adamjseed:

would you say that, that info is wrong/

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iamlindoro:

The "I've taken your correct information under advisement, and decided to ignore it" thing really gets under my skin

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iamlindoro:

Oof, so the new HDMI spec includes *five* variants of cable

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iamlindoro:

"Standard," "High Speed," "Standard with ethernet," "High Speed with ethernet" and "automotive"

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iamlindoro:

Note that the "standard" variants are actually a step *backwards* as they can only allegedly manage 1080i data rates

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meshe:

other than the fact that it's audio and video over a single cable, what's the point of hdmi vs say dvi and spdif

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iamlindoro:

can manage higher resolutions, and much higher bitrate audio

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iamlindoro:

namely all the lossless formats from blu/HDDVD aren't possible over SPDIF

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iamlindoro:

And HDMI 1.4 will do 4kx2k resolution at the same time

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meshe:

ahh

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meshe:

so spdif needs an update too

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meshe:

hmmm

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** meshe ponders changes to her home theatre **

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iamlindoro:

TBH I'm not sure the equipment for the 8 channel lossless stuff is worth the money

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iamlindoro:

guess it depends on how much of an audiophile you consider yourself

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meshe:

well, i love good sound, my previous home theatre was worth $3,000ish (mostly speakers), but we didn't have the space for that system so we downgraded to a HTIB

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meshe:

which i did make sure had an optical input

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iamlindoro:

coaxial actually has the greater bandwidth, but as the TOSLINK and coaxial are sort of bound together now, it seems we'll never see those of the HD audio formats which are possible via coaxial sent that way

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iamlindoro:

ie Toslink can't do any of the HD formats, coaxial theoretically could do some of them, we'll just never see it done

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meshe:

ahh

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meshe:

i guess another reason for hdmi is hdcp

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meshe:

er, dvi is capable of that too, nvm

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iamlindoro:

yeah

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meshe:

my tv is hooked up to my mythbox via vga and it looks great, the current mobo doesn't have spdif so it's analog out to the HTIB

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meshe:

since i'm only recording off pvr-150's, digital audio doesn't really make sense at this point

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iamlindoro:

The SCTE-65 scan tool has spurred me to get all my channel lineups working more neatly than they ever have, I finally brought the HD-PVR back into the fray, definitely less of a chore than it used to be

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** Pontiac 's somewhat torn.... **

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** laga somewhat tired **

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Pontiac:

I'm thinking about moving the movies I've pulled from the cable, to put it in my Videos directory, but haven't decided if I want to make it a manual affair or add to a PHP page to do it for me.

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** iamlindoro is somewhat swedish **

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** Pontiac 's a Puke. **

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Pontiac:

<- Polish and Ukranian.

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wagnerrp:

arent there some patches to do that exactly?

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Pontiac:

I haven't really seen anything as of yet.

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iamlindoro:

Yes, some very smart and good looking guy wrote them

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Pontiac:

oye. heh

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iamlindoro:

Though they're not mythweb patches, they're actual frontend patches

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** Pontiac senses the room is getting smaller due to egos growing. **

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meshe:

there's nothing wrong with a healthy ego

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Pontiac:

Maybe I'm a bit unique in how I work with Myth, but I typically use the front end PURELY to watch videos/TV. Any other maint I do I do via MythWeb.

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wagnerrp:

so you dont do cutting/transcoding either?

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meshe:

transcoding can be done from mythweb

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wagnerrp:

but cutting cant

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wagnerrp:

and you shouldnt transcode until youve cut

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Pontiac:

Nope. When watching video, I let the software decide the commercials.

[17:43:08]

Pontiac:

If I want to watch the videos on my main PC (Not the Myth box) I'll just download the NUV and watch it on here, then just FF through the commercials.

[17:43:10]

wagnerrp:

shouldnt rely on that either if you plan on permanently removing them

[17:43:38]

wagnerrp:

shouldnt need to download the video either... samba doesnt work?

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Pontiac:

It does, but the files are named: 1070_20090517130000.nuv... hard to figure out which one is Mythbusters, and which one is Daily Planet. ;)

[17:44:30]

wagnerrp:

so you use mythrename.ple

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Pontiac:

Plug in page?

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wagnerrp:

plug in page?

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kormoc:

contrib

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wagnerrp:

it ships with mythtv

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Pontiac:

Oh really? hmm.

[17:45:19]

** Pontiac does some investigating. **

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meshe:

--link :)

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wagnerrp:

it may not get installed, depending on your package

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Pontiac:

I'll have to look into this later. Head'n out. Thanks for the info, I'll dig for it later. :) Really do appreciate your help guys.

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iamlindoro:

Ah, summer, when I am forced to turn to educational television

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xris:

iamlindoro: I watched Wipe Out last night. it's actually pretty funny (truly took the feel of the japanese game they ripped off)

[18:05:18]

xris:

ah

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xris:

oops, wrong window.

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iamlindoro:

xris: Heh, yeah, reality TV/gameshows just really rub me the wrong way

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iamlindoro:

though the ridiculousness of the japanese game shows can sometimes be funny

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xris:

iamlindoro: me too, usually.

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GreyFoxx:

v ˜≥bkdsx

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wagnerrp:

and now on pet talk....

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J-e-f-f-A:

... "America's Funniest Videos" or "Cops" are more of a reality show than the others IMHO!!! ;-)

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wagnerrp:

so much of that AFV crap is staged

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clever:

like when the camera keeps looking between the tree and car?

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, sometimes, but usually there's a genuine 'victim', kinda like "Candid Camera"... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Now for something that's *totally scripted/staged* – look at the final episode of American Idol... Although I have to admit I was ROTFLMAO about Bikini Girl's intro and performance... ;-)

[19:00:52]

Jupp:

after transcoding my recorded shows to remove the commercials the resulting videos are no longer "skippable" while viewing them on my PS3 (via MythTV's UPnP)

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wagnerrp:

id rather not

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wagnerrp:

Jupp: you transcoded them from a transport stream to a program stream

[19:01:38]

wagnerrp:

the PS3 has some difficulty with PSs

[19:02:21]

J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: do the seek tables come into play there, or is that only for a myth frontend?

[19:02:33]

wagnerrp:

just something for myth

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J-e-f-f-A:

ok. ;-)

[19:02:59]

Jupp:

how can I tell if it came from a ps or a ts?

[19:03:22]

wagnerrp:

'ffmpeg -i' or 'mplayer -identify'

[19:03:37]

wagnerrp:

anything you record digitally will be a TS

[19:04:11]

wagnerrp:

well everything will be recorded digitally, rather anything you record off a digital source will be a TS

[19:04:14]

Jupp:

can I transcode them back to a ts?

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wagnerrp:

not so much transcode, as remux

[19:04:38]

wagnerrp:

all you have to do is swap containers

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wagnerrp:

and ffmpeg can do that fairly easily, dont know the command off hand though

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Jupp:

let me see if I'm understading, when I removed the commercials the end product is a PS?

[19:05:38]

wagnerrp:

correct, and you need to put it back into a TS

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clever:

wagnerrp: so in theory, you could make a user-job to remux something back to a TS?

[19:05:50]

wagnerrp:

correct

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Jupp:

I called ffmpeg to copy the audio and video and force into a TS because I was having audio issues

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clever:

then queue it to run after every transcode

[19:06:27]

Jupp:

ffmpeg -i %DIR%/%FILE%.tmp -f mpegts -vcodec copy -acodec copy %DIR%/%FILE%

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clever:

but what makes .tmp?

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Jupp:

I thing the -f mpegts will force a ts

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wagnerrp:

mythtranscode makes a .tmp

[19:07:10]

wagnerrp:

but then it usually copies it over to the original file when its done

[19:07:14]

clever:

and mythtranscode then moves the .tmp back over the original file, exactly

[19:07:15]

Jupp:

the .tmp is made by mythtranscode (used to remove commercials)

[19:08:35]

Jupp:

so I believe the final final is a TS which fixed my PS3 not playing the audio of the transcoded recording, but it won't skip forward or backwards now

[19:09:44]

Jupp:

I was wondering if this had anything to do with the "seektable" being destroyed by the trancode?

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wagnerrp:

no, the seektable is only stored in the database

[19:10:10]

wagnerrp:

so it is only ever used for myth apps

[19:10:49]

wagnerrp:

i could be wrong on that

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wagnerrp:

the PS/TS thing

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wagnerrp:

its been a year since ive tried playing anything on my PS3

[19:11:23]

wagnerrp:

so im not to current on things

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Jupp:

the other things I don't understand is why the PS3 is still reporting the length of the transcoded program as if I didin't remove any commercials (which I did)

[19:11:39]

gbee:

no that's correct, in part – many container formats, including mpeg TS have no support for embedded seektables

[19:11:57]

J-e-f-f-A:

I think my son can play the SD stuff (PVR recordings – PS format) fine on the PS3, but not the HD recordings (TS format)...

[19:11:59]

Jupp:

that's why I think there's a disconnect. I would expect the PS3 to report the correct length

[19:12:06]

wagnerrp:

i dont mean the seektables, i mean the PS3 not playing some PSs properly

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Jupp:

all my recordings are HD (TS)

[19:16:55]

J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... just called home and asked my son about using the PS3 for Myth, and he says he hasn't done it for a while – as it's just said "corrupt file" for virtually everything with the latest Sony update... (Was working perfectly before) Humm...

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Jupp:

J-e-f-f-A, thanks

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jupp: The SD recordings are generated by Hauppauge PVR tuners (S-video in from Sat STBs), and the HD are from US ATSC OTA HD (MPEG2)

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jupp: But I don't know that he's tried it in a month or more – perhaps there was another PS3 update since then that 'fixes' it again? He gave up on it, and chose to play Call Of Duty 24x7 instead...

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jupp: I gave him a dedicated Myth frontend... ;-)

[19:23:10]

Jupp:

hahah

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Jupp:

I just want to have as many appliances as possible, the PS3 plays all my HD recordings great

[19:23:48]

Jupp:

except that I can't skip ;)

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gbee:

does the ps3 support the mkv container?

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jupp: Could you skip *before* transcoding? ISTR that my son couldn't skip in HD recordings, but could for the SD recordings... But I suffer from CRS, so that may not be accurate (CRS = Can't Remember $h...)

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Jupp:

J-e-f-f-A: Yes, I could skip fine before transccoding

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Shadow____X:

kormoc, you have fios?

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kormoc:

Aye

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow____X: Me too. ;-)

[19:31:51]

Shadow____X:

do you get anything other than local broadcast through qam or firewire

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Jupp:

Shadow____X: me three

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kormoc:

Sadly, I could only get a lock on the local broadcasts but never got any data via firewire

[19:32:42]

kormoc:

and haven't tried QAM yet, as my setup is ethernet direct to the cable box

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Shadow____X:

hmm oh ok

[19:33:05]

** J-e-f-f-A only has FiOS internt currently... but that $69/month offer they just sent me is tempting (Internet, phone & TV) **

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Shadow____X:

so it doesnt really look good unless you have the hdpvr

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Are your STB's HD or SD?

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kormoc:

HD

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J-e-f-f-A:

How much /month for the HD boxes?

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Shadow____X:

i think when i move i am going to give cablevision a whirl hopefully it likes me and gives me everything firewire

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kormoc:

I talked them into free for the first year, $10 after

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J-e-f-f-A:

Humm... I've been considering swapping from Dish (Currently just SD) to FiOS – due to their offering me $69/month for 6 months, then $99/month after... Humm... ;-) Do you capture in HD with a HD-PVR now?

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kormoc:

I plan to, but I don't right now

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Shadow____X:

how do you record sd through pvr-x50?

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]Oscar:

How update diskless image adding nvidia driver? I'm trying via MCC, but got an error: "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory"

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kormoc:

that said, I'm paying $80 a month for their extreme hd + fios package

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: So do you just capture via s-video for now? (That's what I would do initially)

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kormoc:

5/2 mbit internet, 300 channels, 100 hd, 200 sd

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kormoc:

heh, sadly I haven't captured at all yet, I need to get a FE box together before I bother, as where I have my be, there's no good place for my tv

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Shadow____X:

5/2 mbit i cant even get that slow here

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kormoc:

oh wait

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kormoc:

20/5

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kormoc:

5/2 was my old plan

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Shadow____X:

that sounds better

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Shadow____X:

yeah because atleast in the tri state area i know we have better pricing and options

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Shadow____X:

but i didnt think it was that bad else where

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow____X: I'm at 15/2 – But I've had FiOS since the fiber was laid down in my neighborhood – about 2–1/2 years now IIRC...

[19:38:21]

Shadow____X:

it was 15/2 before 20 came around right

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Shadow____X:

J-e-f-f-A, yeah it depeneds where you are i guess

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kormoc:

when I first got it 3 years ago, it was $30 for 5/2 and I didn't upgrade to the 15/2 when they first offered it

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J-e-f-f-A:

^ yep. ;-) 30/2 was available for like $350/month at the time... (YIKES!) So I stuck with 15/2. ;-) (5/2 was the lowest back then)

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Shadow____X:

hmm yeah

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Shadow____X:

30 a month isnt bad for 5/2

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J-e-f-f-A:

I pay $47.95 for 15/2 currently... so bundling my TV, Inet & phone for $99 would be a deal... (currently pay $48 + $80 + $17 = approx $145 total)

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: do you have the channel-changing setup via firewire yet? (perhaps not if you're not capturing yet... ;-) )

[19:43:00]

kormoc:

not yet, but I did test it out and that did work with a simple mod

[19:43:49]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: That's cool. That would be much faster than my lirc setup with the dish receivers...

[19:43:54]

kormoc:

http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/changeset/20141/tr . . . nel_changers

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kormoc:

I even commited my changes!

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: awesome. ;-)

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Shadow____X:

nice

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Shadow____X:

but i wants firewires hdpvr is kinda expensive

[19:50:18]

Shadow____X:

although that would warrant an upgrade to a quad core if i was going to have atleast 2 boxes right

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meshe:

cpu should really matter for hd-pvr or firewire

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meshe:

myth would just take the data stream and write it to disk

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jpabq:

meshe: true, but with the H.264 it takes a lot more horsepower to commercial flag....

[19:52:09]

meshe:

yeah, true

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Shadow____X:

yeah thats what i meant

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Shadow____X:

due to H.264

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J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow____X: You could transcode & commercial flag with a slower processor, it would just take longer...

[19:54:03]

Shadow____X:

right

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Shadow____X:

well we shall see what i can do and what i end up doing

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Shadow____X:

i just want to use myth more than i was before

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J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: Cool, so you just had to add some new vendor ids. ;-) The more I think about it, The more I think I'll switch to FiOS TV as well... ;-)

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Shadow____X:

J-e-f-f-A, how do you record now

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kormoc:

looks like daniel even added them to myth directly, so perhaps you'll have better luck then I did

[20:01:15]

J-e-f-f-A:

Shadow____X: I've got 3 Hauppauge PVR tuners (500+250) fed by Dish STBs with S-video and analog audio, and a HDHomeRun for ATSC HD.

[20:01:41]

Shadow____X:

ah so going to fios tv will still give you sd

[20:02:03]

J-e-f-f-A:

kormoc: That's cool. ;-) Shadow____X Yep. Until I buy some HD-PVRs.

[20:02:31]

Shadow____X:

ah ok i am crossing my fingers to be able to use firewire if not hd pvr i go

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jpabq:

I have a couple of first generation HD-PVRs which have served me great for almost a year now. No way I would give them up!

[20:03:36]

jpabq:

Been a very long time since I could do firewire. When I could do it, it worked okay, but the HD-PVRs have actually been more reliable than firewire was.

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darkdrgn2k:

is there any performance advantage of a nvideo 5200 vs 6200?

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Shadow____X:

hmm firewire in my current location was pretty reliable

[20:04:58]

Shadow____X:

and hopefully its even more reliable in next location

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meshe:

darkdrgn2k: the first number in nvidia cards is the generation and there is always some architecture imporovements between generations

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sphery:

meshe: BTW, if you're bored, there's another tmdb.pl bug reported at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6574 (it does happen after your other patch--I verified when it was reported, though I can't guarantee that the specified movie hasn't had a category added since then)

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: as far as Myth goes, the only noticeable improvement would be in "relatively" complex OpenGL (i.e. the MythGallery transitions, but not the simple OpenGL in the menus) and memory speed--both advantage 6200 (but not enough to worry about, likely)

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sphery:

darkdrgn2k: however, the 5200 allows the obsessive to change their playback picture controls (Hue, Contrast, Balance), you can't on the 6200

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meshe:

sphery: i'll take a look at it

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sphery:

meshe: thanks... Only if you have time/motivation, though.

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meshe:

time not so much right now, things are busy at work, but i may be able to look at it on the commute

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sphery:

yeah, your stuff comes first

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sphery:

I just thought I'd mention it

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meshe:

thanks, i don't always watch the commits list

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heyheyhey:

sphery well i deleted comcast thing

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sphery:

deleted comcast thing?

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laga:

deleted comcast thing!

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heyheyhey:

remeber i working on a way to make comcast on demand thing

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heyheyhey:

threw mplayer

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sphery:

oh...

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sphery:

didn't get it working?

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heyheyhey:

yeah i got it to work but it keept ordering ppv

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heyheyhey:

lol

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heyheyhey:

order 3 at once

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sphery:

heh

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heyheyhey:

not a good thing

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sphery:

not cool

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heyheyhey:

yeah

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kormoc:

Comcast enjoyed it

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heyheyhey:

it would stick on select

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heyheyhey:

well i trashed my mce remote

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heyheyhey:

and moded the mce reciver to use a old dtv remote

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heyheyhey:

works alot better

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heyheyhey:

there 70 buttons on dtv remote

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heyheyhey:

lol

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wagnerrp:

i dont know what i would do with 70 buttons on mythtv

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wagnerrp:

looks like my frontend is good for about 15–16mbps h.264 before it starts to buckle

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heyheyhey:

lol wagnerrp

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wagnerrp:

i fail to see how that was a joke

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heyheyhey:

with the 70 buttons

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wagnerrp:

im serious, i dont know what i would do with 70 buttons on a remote

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heyheyhey:

i have it all linked

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heyheyhey:

and i added a goto sleep button turns off mythtv frontend and shuts down the tv

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wagnerrp:

well all remotes have a power button

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wagnerrp:

however, you have your mceusb2 receiver going to sleep?

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kormoc:

my mce remote had two power buttons, one for the computer and one for the tv

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dustybin:

the _perfect_ av hard drive

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dustybin:

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=615

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wagnerrp:

why is that?

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wagnerrp:

its too expensive

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dustybin:

Green Power for AV: Cool, quiet, reliable.

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dustybin:

the price will come down at some point

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wagnerrp:

at some point, sure

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dustybin:

like all computer bits

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Dibblah:

"Preemptive Wear Leveling (PWL) – The drive arm frequently sweeps across the disk to reduce uneven wear on the drive surface common to audio video streaming applications. "

[20:56:24]

wagnerrp:

but currently the 1 and 1.5TB drives are at a much cheaper $/GB

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Dibblah:

I call bullcrap.

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Dibblah:

Firstly, heads fly.

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laga:

Dibblah: might be true for some appliance which does not use regular file systems..

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Dibblah:

Secondly, *all* drives do this – It's called thermal recalibration.

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dustybin:

wagnerrp: what happens when you have run out of space for hard disks,

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laga:

oh

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: it just means you didnt plan ahead and bought a small case

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Dibblah:

Proper AV HDs *don't* do it, however.

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dustybin:

:P

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Dibblah:

Since during the recal, the head is not available to do it's main job.

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wagnerrp:

hard drives consume relatively little power

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wagnerrp:

and they spin down to use next to no power

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dustybin:

does RAID spin down?

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Dibblah:

wagnerrp: I wish that was true.

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wagnerrp:

mine has an option to do so, yes

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

a lot of people say WDs are quiet

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Dibblah:

8w / disk * 10 disks = 80w, when spun up.

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dustybin:

and thats a important factor for me

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Dibblah:

2w / disk * 10 disks = 20w, when spun down.

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dustybin:

ok

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meshe:

ls

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Dibblah:

+ port multipliers, the other side of the SATA link, etc.

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wagnerrp:

so youre looking at $2–3 to run your hard drives for a month

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kormoc:

meshe: I doubt you'd want the reality of that in here

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wagnerrp:

going to take a LONG time to make up the additional cost of buying a low power hard drive

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dustybin:

reading this has made me start work on another box

[21:00:51]

dustybin:

http://www.osnews.com/story/21564/Building_a_ . . . _Sue_You_For

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kormoc:

dustybin: talk of that nature isn't allowed in here, it's not necessarily legal...

[21:01:22]

wagnerrp:

besides, at least from my experience, the samsungs are already low power

[21:01:27]

dustybin:

oh sorry

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meshe:

sloppy mouse focus ftw

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Dagmar:

It's just playing right into Apple's hands is all

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wagnerrp:

the standard WDs run a good 5C hotter, second only to the seagate burners

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Dagmar:

People who do that show all their friends which is free advertising of a very heavy nature to a bunch of people who will just buy the bloody OS with the hardware from Apple

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dustybin:

well, i want a matt display, if the imacs were matt, i would buy one. the next option is a mac pro, those start at £1899... apple do not sell a matt 24" monitor, unbelievable

[21:04:26]

Dagmar:

They just go straight to OMG" after that

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dustybin:

yep, they do a 30" matt display, what cost more money than you can imagine

[21:04:57]

Dagmar:

Oh I can imagine

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dustybin:

so after some hardcore research, this monitor kicks ass Dell Ultrasharp 2209WA 22"

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wagnerrp:

dustybin: especially when you can get a much better, cheaper monitor from dell or hp

[21:05:21]

dustybin:

its a eIPS panel, every review i read said it kicks ass

[21:05:40]

dustybin:

wagnerrp: exactly

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dustybin:

that dell is only £200

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wagnerrp:

well im talking about the 30" ones

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wagnerrp:

our 30" HPs were about $400 less than the Apples, and thats after the Apple university discount we have

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dustybin:

for sure, dell also do a nice 24" called: Dell 2408WFP again that also got excellent reviews, but that doesnt use a IPS panel, but its stil good

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wagnerrp:

not to mention they are better designed, have better panel drivers, and better screens

[21:07:07]

wagnerrp:

the apples bleed too much backlight

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dustybin:

eeek

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schlazor:

only the extremely vain buy apple displays

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wagnerrp:

and they have a big fat cable sticking out the back of the monitor

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wagnerrp:

straight out the back, and its non-detachable

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wagnerrp:

obviously not designed for wall mounts

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dustybin:

the only apple bits i will buy is, the keyboard and OS

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schlazor:

i don't like their keyboards either. love my 17" MBP tho

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schlazor:

although i wish it was LED backlit.

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Shadow____X:

buy a new one

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Shadow____X:

:)

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schlazor:

not sure how i convinced the boss to buy me one in the first place.

[21:11:15]

schlazor:

i certainly wouldn't buy one with my own money :)

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heyheyhey:

komac ya mce remote did but for some reason the buttons would stick even know it was brand new

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wagnerrp:

anyway, heyheyhey, you have standby working with an mceusb2 receiver?

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heyheyhey:

yes

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wagnerrp:

how did you set it up

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wagnerrp:

im having some trouble with mine where it becomes unresponsive after waking from standby

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wagnerrp:

like USB needs to be reset or something

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Dagmar:

It does

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heyheyhey:

i used irexec and i disabled the screen savers

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wagnerrp:

right, irexec running a call to s2ram (or using procfs directly if you prefer)

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wagnerrp:

power button brings the machine back out

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wagnerrp:

but i have to unplug and plug the receiver back in before LIRC receives signals from it again

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heyheyhey:

yeah well what i did was link it to a button to restart lirc

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Dagmar:

Yeah, but the devices on the USB bus have stopped hearing from you a long time ago by the time you unsuspend

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wagnerrp:

Dagmar: you said i had to had to reset the bus?

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Dagmar:

It won't just magically happen on it's own unless your distro's straightened it out

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heyheyhey:

wagnerrp what distro u using

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wagnerrp:

gentoo

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heyheyhey:

i use ubuntu 9.04

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Dagmar:

Crude way, just dump and reload the module (think that works)

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heyheyhey:

yeah

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Dagmar:

I've not looked at it in awhile because mainly, I have one thing that usefully suspends.

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wagnerrp:

tried that last night, no go

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heyheyhey:

dagmar that what i do

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Dagmar:

heyheyhey: afaik ubuntu has it working correctly.

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wagnerrp:

shutdown irexec, shutdown lircd, and dumped the driver

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heyheyhey:

some times it goes wacky

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wagnerrp:

it ended up just locking up the receiver completely

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wagnerrp:

from some quick searching, i just found some simple programs for a usb reset

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Dagmar:

Um, not that my equipment can't suspend, but that I keep the stuff busy all the time

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wagnerrp:

ill try that

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heyheyhey:

nice dagmar

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heyheyhey:

i use mine one just for htpc

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heyheyhey:

only

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Dagmar:

Like, later I'll go to the coffee house and take my laptop (which hibernates) to ssh tunnel back to my desktop

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wagnerrp:

well WOL is working just fine, so i can wake and use it if i want

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wagnerrp:

but this is a relatively older box

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wagnerrp:

if i need to do something, i do it on one of the dual-core machines that are kept running

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Dagmar:

It takes awhile to md5sum the xp filesystem

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laga:

screen?

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Dagmar:

Don't mind if I do... | Client Uptime: 138d 9h 7m 28s

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wagnerrp:

heh... i tinker with things too often for that

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Dagmar:

At home, production is production and dev is dev. Uptime on the desktop is like 8 hours

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wagnerrp:

i think my firewall was up for about that long before i decided i wanted more space on the CF card

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heyheyhey:

wagnerrp do u know apache well

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wagnerrp:

rather it wasnt up for very long at all before i decided that, but it was about that long before i did something about it

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wagnerrp:

i can use apache, i wouldnt claim to know it well

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heyheyhey:

i can't get it to connect to my webpage

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Dagmar:

It's running, right?

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wagnerrp:

well normally, apache wouldnt connect to a webpage

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wagnerrp:

or do you mean your browser wont connect to apache

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heyheyhey:

i tring to host a webpage

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Dagmar:

You know where DocumentRoot is set to?

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heyheyhey:

i was using apache

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wagnerrp:

ok, so youre not trying to proxy into another server

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heyheyhey:

yes var/www

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Dagmar:

Okay, so what happens when you point the browser at http://127.0.0.1

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wagnerrp:

the server is unresponsive, but you see httpds running?

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heyheyhey:

yeah everything works but website

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Dagmar:

Okay, so what happens when you point the browser at http://127.0.0.1

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heyheyhey:

my dns are pointed

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Dagmar:

Nevermind DNS.

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heyheyhey:

page not found

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heyheyhey:

on 127.0.0.1

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Dagmar:

Okay, so /var/www is probably empty then

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wagnerrp:

so the server is working, it just cant find the data

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wagnerrp:

and youre getting an apache error page

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heyheyhey:

it says not found the requested url/was not found on this server apache /2.2.11

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heyheyhey:

it not empty

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heyheyhey:

if i put in my ip addy it comes up with the test page

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Dagmar:

OKay so you put in a vhost for some domain didn't you

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wagnerrp:

IIRC, ubuntu is set up to use vhosts for everything

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heyheyhey:

[Thu May 28 17:27:14 2009] [error] [client 127.0.0.1] File does not exist: /htdocs

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Dagmar:

*shudder*

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heyheyhey:

i added a vhost with my ip and domain name

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heyheyhey:

is that wrong

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gbee:

cat just brought in an eyed hawk moth – wingspan over 3 inches, always wanted to see one of those first hand

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malocite:

Good-day all

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malocite:

I'm trying to compile myth0.22 from source so I can poke around in it, but I'm getting an error of not being able to find the lame codec, but lame is installed. Any thoughts?

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kormoc:

you're likely missing lame-dev

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RyeBrye:

liblame-devel?

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malocite:

ahhhh libmp3lame-dev

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RyeBrye:

yeah, that

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malocite:

I'm all excited, I've got two boxes, a frontend / backend and another front end in my bedroom, and I just wanna setup a third frontend as a test box just to poke around and see all the cool stuff the mythdevelopers have been working on.

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RyeBrye:

you can't do a 0.22 frontend without a 0.22 backend

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malocite:

no huh?

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RyeBrye:

well, a trunk frontend without a trunk backend I should say

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RyeBrye:

new protocol verisons, etc

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malocite:

:)

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malocite:

I guess I will just run it as a test without connecting to the old

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malocite:

thats good to know :)

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malocite:

RyeBrye: How's it lookin' so far?

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RyeBrye:

I like it

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RyeBrye:

the coolest themes are not released yet – it seems the themers working on cool themes are all wanting them to be perfect before releasing them

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gbee:

you wouldn't think they were so cool if they were incomplete or poorly put together :)

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malocite:

I can't wait to see it

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malocite:

hmmm.... /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv

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malocite:

I get that during that make

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malocite:

Link.o -L/usr/lib -lfreetype -lz -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lXinerama -lXv -lX11 -lXext -lXxf86vm -lXrandr -lGL -lGLU -lpthread -lQtGui -lQtCore

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malocite:

/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lXv

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malocite:

collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

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ajhtiredwolf:

I am running Ubuntu 9.04, I have mythbuntu in running in a seperate monitor. I have it setup so the seperate monitor runs in as a difference x-session, I need that x-session to not use compiz, and the other monitor ( primary non myht monitor) to use compiz, know how to do this?

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kormoc:

you can't

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kormoc:

it's a global server option

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ajhtiredwolf:

kormoc, hmmm k. ( problem is Compiz causes breakage in video play back )

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laga:

nobody "needs" to use compiz – unless you need the on-screen magnifier

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kormoc:

there's none compiz versions of that anyway

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ajhtiredwolf:

laga, well yeah i dont "need it" but no one "Needs" mythtv either :p

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laga:

i do.

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ajhtiredwolf:

laga, well then i need compiz too

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** kormoc sighs **

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kormoc:

ajhtiredwolf: then you're stuck

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laga:

or go complain to the guys who make your video card

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laga:

.. driver

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ajhtiredwolf:

kormoc, are you sure it is a global server option? a guy named oobe was writing a tutorial on opening a seperate x window that just mythtv would launch in to solve the problem. But that wasn't using dual monitors

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kormoc:

given the extension that's likely broken is the Composite extension, and that's a global server option, I'd venture to say yes

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ajhtiredwolf:

i got it working ( mostly) , compiz.real --only-current-screen ccp

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Wicked:

hmm i used these patches http://avenard.com/media/MythTV_&_VDPAU/M . . . ;_VDPAU.html and they all patched fine and everything compiled and install fine...but when i go into my video folder and watch a hd movie(1080 x264) mythfrontend is still using 130% cpu....so i dont think the video decoding is being pawned off to my gpu(gtx260)

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kormoc:

Those are unofficial and unsupported patches, please talk directly to the author of them

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Wicked:

hmm

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Wicked:

ah. i needed to set up a new playback profile and specify it to use the vdpau

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Wicked:

right on!

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