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| [00:00:31] | wagnerrp: | for some reason, i was never able to make the transition to lagless play |
| [00:02:15] | wagnerrp: | i got used to watching my lag, and leading with a 150–250ms ping, but now there is no leading at all |
| [00:02:20] | wagnerrp: | and it just bothers me for some reason |
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| [00:09:11] | wagnerrp: | apparently the red spy got it on with the blue scount's mother |
| [00:09:18] | wagnerrp: | the blue spy has pictures |
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| [00:11:38] | spaceinvader: | hm, how can i merge channels from the EIT and channels from xmltv |
| [00:14:26] | wagnerrp: | heh... 'Trust Your Feelings: Get 5 kills with the sniper rifle without your scope' |
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| [00:19:25] | iamlindoro: | spaceinvader, You can't, one or the other |
| [00:19:34] | iamlindoro: | very very bad things (tm) happen if you try |
| [00:19:41] | spaceinvader: | well the UI allows it |
| [00:19:46] | spaceinvader: | it has a EIT checkbox on the xmltv pane |
| [00:19:56] | spaceinvader: | but i seem to be getting double entries and stuff |
| [00:20:04] | iamlindoro: | You can use EIT for a single channel, but it's meant to be either or, NEVER both |
| [00:20:24] | iamlindoro: | feel free to disregard, just remind me about it when the aforementioned bad thigns happen so that I can enjoy myself |
| [00:21:58] | spaceinvader: | well if that's the case i will just use EIT as it gets updated more often |
| [00:22:06] | spaceinvader: | do i still need to run mythfilldb? |
| [00:22:20] | iamlindoro: | If you only use EIT, you don't need to run mythfilldatabase-- but that's the wrong way to go |
| [00:22:33] | iamlindoro: | EIT shouldn't be used if you have a decent XMLTV source |
| [00:23:03] | spaceinvader: | i find the UK EIT data is fine |
| [00:23:17] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [00:23:30] | iamlindoro: | why bother asking if you aren't interested in the information from people with real experience? |
| [00:23:33] | mzb: | heh, wait until the same show is shown on a different network ;P |
| [00:23:34] | wagnerrp: | i thought some stations gave you upwards of a week over eit |
| [00:23:40] | wagnerrp: | (just not in the US) |
| [00:23:51] | spaceinvader: | we get a week, sometimes two |
| [00:23:58] | wagnerrp: | yeah, there is the duplicate matching |
| [00:24:07] | wagnerrp: | something thats not going to happen if you use EIT |
| [00:24:39] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Plus, there's the quality and accuracy of the data to worry about |
| [00:24:50] | mzb: | spelling, case, etc ... all makes the job harder |
| [00:24:57] | iamlindoro: | the radio times stuff in the UK is allegedly leaps and bounds better than EIT |
| [00:25:08] | mzb: | think of an xml source as "pre-washed" |
| [00:25:45] | iamlindoro: | seems the questions are being asked without regard for the answers, so I'll not waste any more time |
| [00:27:27] | wagnerrp: | its a shame theres no way for achievements to be retroactive |
| [00:27:35] | wagnerrp: | i would already have a lot of these for the sniper |
| [00:28:11] | iamlindoro: | you could just start up a game against yourself and mess yourself up in interesting ways |
| [00:28:55] | ** mzb slaps himself silly ** | |
| [00:29:19] | mzb: | s/sillier ;) |
| [00:33:27] | iamlindoro: | superdump, Don't suppose there's been any movement on ffmpeg-mt recently? Know you mentioned working with astrange on the core + h.264 parts |
| [00:33:49] | iamlindoro: | not seeing anything in the mailing lists, so wondered if there might have been anything behind the scenes |
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| [00:59:11] | marxistvegan: | this is probably a better place to ask this, has anyone installed MythTV on to the Western Digital TV device? |
| [00:59:44] | wagnerrp: | highly unlikely |
| [01:01:05] | iamlindoro: | just as nobody has installed it on any sigma-chip based hardware |
| [01:01:12] | iamlindoro: | (as it is yet another of them) |
| [01:01:50] | marxistvegan: | ah i see..well thank you for the quick response |
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| [01:02:10] | iamlindoro: | no access to /API for the video DSP means probably never will work |
| [01:02:13] | iamlindoro: | aaaand he's gone |
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| [01:13:29] | lyricnz: | Obviously very interested :) |
| [01:19:37] | iamlindoro: | there are so many people trying to fumble-eff through windows installs lately |
| [01:19:58] | iamlindoro: | Though I must say this Jeff Lu guy seems to be doing good work, nice to see someone actually doing something worthwhile with it |
| [01:21:51] | iamlindoro: | sackboy, you're not Jeff Lu, are you? |
| [01:22:33] | wagnerrp: | dont know, but you better not step on his patch |
| [01:22:42] | iamlindoro: | heh |
| [01:23:02] | iamlindoro: | Well, if he is, good for him, first person in a looooong time to submit worthwhile patches for that port |
| [01:23:03] | ** lyricnz seems to have so many problems with his myth machine these days, thinking about killing it, in favour of xbmc plus some recordey thing ** | |
| [01:23:27] | iamlindoro: | Myth is like a zit, if you pick at it too much, bad things happen |
| [01:23:32] | sackboy: | Let's just say I wasted waay too much time trying to make fglrx work for me, and windows actually seemed the easier answer |
| [01:23:44] | iamlindoro: | sackboy, So *are* you jeff lu? |
| [01:23:59] | sackboy: | Yep |
| [01:24:22] | iamlindoro: | well nice job, that's all. I personally am not a big fan of the windows port idea, but if someone wants to do worthwhile work on it I'm all for that |
| [01:24:25] | lyricnz: | It worked pretty good for years, but recently I updated some stuff, to get new features, and now have CPU load and audio sync problems. |
| [01:24:26] | lyricnz: | Uhg |
| [01:24:50] | iamlindoro: | sackboy, probably not a fan of the idea because it's been left to the people who simply want to run it instead of help with it for so long |
| [01:25:12] | ** lyricnz ducks ** | |
| [01:25:21] | sackboy: | I don't disagree at all |
| [01:25:37] | sackboy: | But I figured I would put in the patches just in case |
| [01:25:55] | iamlindoro: | naw, patches are always good |
| [01:26:23] | iamlindoro: | the few people who know anything about the windows port are also linux devs and seem to msotly tread water and keep it compiling from time to time |
| [01:26:38] | iamlindoro: | so someone who wants to devote some effort to the port itself is a good thing in my book |
| [01:28:40] | iamlindoro: | so what's next? When will you have the backend up and running in Windows properly? Bearing in mind that it's 6:30 PM now. ;) |
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| [01:29:53] | sackboy: | Hah! Not anytime soon... |
| [01:30:19] | sackboy: | No motivation to do it, since my Fedora backend is doing more than I'd get from Windows |
| [01:30:23] | iamlindoro: | I retract any previous compliments, slacker ;) |
| [01:30:32] | sackboy: | Doh! |
| [01:30:56] | _abbenormal: | lol |
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| [01:32:17] | heyheyhey: | lmfao |
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| [01:34:06] | iamlindoro: | Bearing in mind that I don't run windows on any of my systems, there are some neat projects some enterprising windows dev could take on-- backend as a service in windows, Interface with the windows capture card API to use capture cards there, directshow output, DXVA2, all sorts of neato stuff |
| [01:34:40] | iamlindoro: | A couple of fundamental things could make windows a viable platform (ignoring the need for someone to package it as an installer) |
| [01:35:49] | wagnerrp: | well your not going to have much of an installer as long as it relies on QT |
| [01:36:07] | iamlindoro: | don't see why not, lots of Qt based apps with installers |
| [01:36:42] | wagnerrp: | theyre just scripted to download and run the QT installer? |
| [01:36:59] | iamlindoro: | Don't think so, think they just isntall the required libraries |
| [01:38:20] | iamlindoro: | (as precompiled DLLs) |
| [01:38:27] | sackboy: | IIRC, Qt does have some sort of license allowance for OSS to distribute libs |
| [01:39:19] | iamlindoro: | The one that jumps right out at me is VLC, which I seem to recall having a nice little installer |
| [01:39:28] | iamlindoro: | though you might need to click-through some Qt info |
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| [01:42:37] | iamlindoro: | sackboy, So did I understand your resize patch correctly to mean that with D3D output one can dynamically resize the video window? Assume the UI window pops back to the fixed shape? |
| [01:43:55] | iamlindoro: | (and if so, is that click-drag resize, or just using the "use different dimensions for video output" setting?) |
| [01:43:56] | sackboy: | Yep, I just cut-paste from videoout_xv |
| [01:44:09] | sackboy: | click-drag |
| [01:44:16] | iamlindoro: | nice |
| [01:46:23] | sackboy: | D3D class was already written well enough to make it a trivial change |
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| [01:47:05] | iamlindoro: | I think that many deficiencies in the windows port could probably be solved by similar changes, thought, just takes someone actually looking at them |
| [01:47:10] | iamlindoro: | er though |
| [01:47:30] | heyheyhey: | how does exectv command work? |
| [01:48:37] | iamlindoro: | erm, what exectv command? Sure you don't mean using EXEC from a menu? |
| [01:48:49] | iamlindoro: | or possibly the "mythtv" command line app? |
| [01:49:06] | heyheyhey: | i was looking at myth themes |
| [01:49:17] | heyheyhey: | they have a command called exectv |
| [01:49:36] | sphery: | see the examples in the menu |
| [01:49:49] | iamlindoro: | ah, a variation on EXEC |
| [01:50:03] | sphery: | EXECTV says, "execute this app, and make one of the capture cards available for it so it's not available to the scheduler" |
| [01:50:25] | sphery: | so you use it with xawtv or whatever to watch passthrough video without DVR features |
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| [01:51:55] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Heh, that Zalman case page is funny-- someone obviously had big plans and little desire to spend the effort |
| [01:52:11] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, since they thought they needed multiple pages, but didn't have time to actually write any content |
| [01:52:16] | heyheyhey: | sphery could one use mplayer |
| [01:52:18] | kormoc: | Yeah, it happens a lot :P |
| [01:52:31] | kormoc: | 90% of my edits are ready for deletion |
| [01:52:45] | sphery: | EXECTV sample. %s args in order are video, audio, and vbi devices |
| [01:53:26] | sphery: | any app that allows you to use a video, audio and/or vbi device (and to specify which one via command line) |
| [01:53:47] | heyheyhey: | i see i am still kinda lost |
| [01:53:58] | sphery: | but why wouldn't you just use Myth to record whatever? |
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| [01:55:04] | heyheyhey: | yeah but i still tring to figure how i can get comcast ondemand to work |
| [01:55:34] | wagnerrp: | you dont |
| [01:55:34] | heyheyhey: | right now i have a script with this mplayer -fs /dev/video0; ivtvctl --set-input 1 to make comcast work |
| [01:56:03] | wagnerrp: | if you want to use on-demand, use your cable box |
| [01:56:25] | sphery: | EXECTV mplayer_wrapper_script %s |
| [01:56:57] | sphery: | then mplayer_wrapper_script takes the arg and does mplayer -fs $1 & ivtvctl --set-input 1 |
| [01:57:32] | sphery: | (as I think you want to background mplayer so that the set input happens while--not after-mplayer is running |
| [01:58:26] | heyheyhey: | so it would be exectv mplayer_comcast.sh %s |
| [01:58:53] | sphery: | yeah, but all caps EXECTV |
| [01:59:13] | wagnerrp: | this is a worthwhile page... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/HID |
| [01:59:19] | heyheyhey: | would i point it to like this exectv /home/box/mplayer_comcast.sh %s |
| [01:59:45] | sphery: | that's a good idea--that way, even if it's not in PATH it works |
| [02:00:42] | sphery: | you guys are doing an impressive job of finding obscure pages on the wiki, tonight |
| [02:00:58] | heyheyhey: | after i say i am done would it close mplayer |
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| [02:01:41] | Dagmar: | It might. |
| [02:01:42] | sphery: | ah, yeah--you need to keep the program foregrounded so that Myth doesn't respond to LIRC commands |
| [02:02:30] | heyheyhey: | one way to find out |
| [02:02:41] | sphery: | so you'll have to do something like this in the script: mplayer -fs /dev/video0 & mplayerpid=$! ; ivtvctl --set-input 1 ; wait $mplayerpid |
| [02:03:10] | sphery: | then when you quit mplayer the script (that Myth is waiting on) will exit and Myth will stop waiting and start responding, again |
| [02:03:55] | sphery: | but don't hard-code /dev/video0--use the value given you by EXECTV (that's the one that the scheduler won't use) |
| [02:04:02] | sphery: | so change it to a $1 or whatever |
| [02:05:03] | wagnerrp: | this one is pretty worthless too... http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Nvidia_instability |
| [02:05:27] | wagnerrp: | looks like it used to have a lot more text |
| [02:05:50] | meshe: | sudo ./Build install |
| [02:05:56] | meshe: | er... |
| [02:06:51] | heyheyhey: | that works well |
| [02:06:58] | sphery: | guess, though, it should be mplayer -fs "${1}" & mplayerpid=$! ... etc just for safety |
| [02:07:13] | Dagmar: | The curly braces get you nothing. |
| [02:07:27] | sphery: | yeah, but the quotes are important |
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| [02:07:55] | sphery: | the curly braces just make it explicit where the argname stops |
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| [02:08:25] | Dagmar: | Are we concened bash might think the "1" and the null after it are separate tokens? |
| [02:08:45] | sphery: | no, just making it easier for the people reading it |
| [02:08:50] | Dagmar: | I mean, c'mon... One letter variable name and two characters for braces. |
| [02:15:51] | heyheyhey: | if i do it ur way mplayer -fs "${1}" & mplayerpid=$! then lirc don't work |
| [02:16:09] | Dagmar: | You're the one that wanted to use the external program |
| [02:16:18] | Dagmar: | Now you get to figure out how to configure the external program to use LIRC. |
| [02:16:48] | heyheyhey: | i have it configure in mplayer |
| [02:17:24] | heyheyhey: | my fault |
| [02:20:22] | heyheyhey: | i can get to work if i do a manual start |
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| [02:31:21] | togetic: | anyone setup the thermaltake vf7001bns dh101 htpc case to work with mythtv? |
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| [02:32:40] | _mre|666: | greetings |
| [02:33:14] | _mre|666: | i hate to join a channel and ask a question, i feel like an idiot noob, but i just want some feedback from HD users in here, that might be awake |
| [02:33:25] | _mre|666: | pcHDTV 5500 |
| [02:33:32] | _mre|666: | any of you guys use this card? opinions? |
| [02:34:38] | sphery: | I've got the pcHDTV HD-3000 and it works great |
| [02:34:54] | sphery: | though there are many less expensive cards out there than the HD-xx00's |
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| [02:34:58] | _mre|666: | i just upgraded my cable today |
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| [02:35:37] | _mre|666: | i can't take the quality of the analog signal anymore |
| [02:35:45] | _mre|666: | too much noise across it |
| [02:36:17] | sphery: | yeah, going from NTSC to digital TV is a huge upgrade--well worth it |
| [02:36:26] | _mre|666: | i had them out there today to up the signal, and upgrade me to digital cable, still looks like cr&p on the analog signal |
| [02:36:26] | sphery: | only problem with cable is encryption |
| [02:36:39] | _mre|666: | digital signal is nice |
| [02:37:01] | _mre|666: | hmm |
| [02:37:22] | _mre|666: | do i need a key or something for myth? |
| [02:37:47] | sphery: | If I were buying a new digital capture card (for US digital TV) today, I'd probably get the Hauppauge HVR-1250 (PCIe) or the Avermedia A-180 (PCI) |
| [02:38:09] | _mre|666: | how well supported in mythbuntu is it tho? |
| [02:38:10] | sphery: | both are pretty cheap and work well (at least that's what I've heard about the 1250--haven't actually used one) |
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| [02:38:35] | _mre|666: | pcHDTV 5500 is recommended on their page |
| [02:39:01] | _mre|666: | thinking if i have a PCIe slot open on the box |
| [02:39:06] | sphery: | can't get a key for decryption--if your cable co encrypts the channel, you can't get it in myth with digital capture (only analog by capturing the S-Video/Composite/Component output of a set-top box) |
| [02:39:08] | Pontiac: | Hey all. So with Rogers flip'n the switch to all-digital, anyone have any recomendations as to what type of tuner card I could get? Needs to be PCI based only, as this particular machine doesn't have a PCIE slot. |
| [02:39:09] | _mre|666: | naw, need 2 pci |
| [02:39:28] | Pontiac: | ... wow. |
| [02:39:36] | Pontiac: | That looks dumb. Exactly what the topic is. heh |
| [02:39:40] | _mre|666: | sphery: hmm, i'll have to call them and ask them that |
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| [02:40:05] | _mre|666: | i don't think they do tho |
| [02:40:38] | iamlindoro: | I'll bet you a million dollars that everything outside your basic cable lineup is encrypted |
| [02:40:44] | iamlindoro: | two million dollars |
| [02:40:44] | _mre|666: | it's just a seperate signal sent along the carrier, from what the tech was saying today |
| [02:40:47] | sphery: | if you have a digital tuner in your TV, you can find out--just plug the cable directly in to the TV and see which channel it gets (those are the ones Myth will get) |
| [02:40:48] | _mre|666: | but what does he knows |
| [02:41:00] | _mre|666: | well... outside the basic cable lineup |
| [02:41:15] | Dagmar: | He knows how to plug in some coax without putting out an eye. |
| [02:41:21] | Dagmar: | You can't really assume more than that. |
| [02:41:34] | sphery: | and only assume that if he doesn't wear an eye patch |
| [02:41:35] | _mre|666: | i don't care about HBO, Skin-a-max, and THC |
| [02:41:36] | _mre|666: | hehe |
| [02:41:54] | Dagmar: | sphery: He might be new |
| [02:42:09] | iamlindoro: | You'd better not care about anything in HD besides NBC, CBS, Fox, and ABC, either |
| [02:42:10] | _mre|666: | i've been using mythtv for years |
| [02:42:14] | _mre|666: | new here |
| [02:42:27] | Dagmar: | I was talking about the cable installer without an eyepatch. |
| [02:42:49] | _mre|666: | iamlindoro: my cable provider offers about 100+ extra channels on their digital packages |
| [02:42:52] | Dagmar: | I've had them do audits here to find where they might have messed up, decide that I wasn't supposed to have "Extended Basic cable", and put a shunt in |
| [02:42:55] | _mre|666: | as opposed to their regular packages |
| [02:43:04] | iamlindoro: | _mre|666, That's fine, that'll allll be encrypted |
| [02:43:07] | Dagmar: | ...which requires that they correctly crimp a short piece of coax at both ends. |
| [02:43:14] | Dagmar: | The dude failed at both ends. |
| [02:43:20] | _mre|666: | iamlindoro: it's basic service |
| [02:43:21] | Dagmar: | I had no nothing. |
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| [02:43:37] | _mre|666: | it's not paid services |
| [02:43:38] | iamlindoro: | what I'm saying is I'll bet you a million dollars, right now, that the only HD channels you'll get unencrypted will be NBC, CBS, Fox, ABC, and possibly the Cw |
| [02:43:41] | _mre|666: | i'll talk to them |
| [02:43:47] | Dagmar: | I caught him in the parking lot... He wanted to leave. I told him he should probably stick around if he'd like to keep his job |
| [02:43:48] | _mre|666: | HD channels |
| [02:43:57] | _mre|666: | i'm not talking HD |
| [02:44:00] | _mre|666: | i'm talking digital |
| [02:44:04] | Pontiac: | iamlindoro> What about ht regular channels, not HD. I don't have a HD TV. |
| [02:44:14] | iamlindoro: | Depends where you are, and with whome |
| [02:44:16] | iamlindoro: | whom |
| [02:44:17] | Pontiac: | :s/ht/HD/g |
| [02:44:18] | Dagmar: | _mre|666: There's little point in distinguishing between the two |
| [02:44:28] | _mre|666: | lol |
| [02:44:41] | Dagmar: | You don't get HD without digital transmission. |
| [02:44:56] | _mre|666: | god, you're an idiot |
| [02:44:56] | iamlindoro: | some comcast markets you can get the basic cable package unencrypted, but no more than that. Here I am speaking of 60–80 channels, in the "best case" scenarios |
| [02:44:59] | _mre|666: | stop talking to me |
| [02:45:04] | _mre|666: | thanks for your help guys |
| [02:45:12] | _mre|666: | minus the peanut gallery |
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| [02:45:21] | iamlindoro: | lovely |
| [02:46:06] | sphery: | funny when the peanut gallery is actually yelling out useful advice and the guy on stage doesn't realize it |
| [02:46:41] | iamlindoro: | It's a dead giveaway when people start saying things like "my cable provider doesn't encrypt anything" |
| [02:47:14] | sphery: | how long until he comes back to ask about how to capture the encrypted HDTV channels (and then complains that HDPVR would be a waste because of the analog step) |
| [02:47:42] | Dagmar: | Just kick him when that happens. |
| [02:48:09] | Dagmar: | No sense in making us have to sit and explain that no, he won't get us to help him by dressing it up in fancy terms |
| [02:48:17] | Pontiac: | In MY case, all i know is that Rogers is going to be cutting the analog cable soon, and I'm hunting for a card that COULD take some of the channels. I don't have HD, don't want HD. |
| [02:48:46] | iamlindoro: | Pontiac, Dagmar is right, though, there's no point in distinguishing-- whether they're SD or HD, if it's digital, you get them however they are |
| [02:48:57] | Pontiac: | Yep. I realize that. |
| [02:48:57] | Dagmar: | Pontiac: If they're forcing you to upgrade to digital, you can bet money they're not going to let you get anything unencrypted |
| [02:49:00] | sphery: | Pontiac: in scrollback--just about 2 minutes before you first asked--I had given my opinions on pci and pcie digital capture cards |
| [02:49:09] | Pontiac: | Thanks. |
| [02:49:23] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: You've got it obverted. I was saying HD _has_ to be digital. |
| [02:49:30] | sphery: | and I'm pretty sure that cards that work for the US work for Canada, too |
| [02:49:35] | Pontiac: | Hauppauge HVR-1250 (PCIe) or the Avermedia A-180 (PCI) |
| [02:49:36] | Dagmar: | There's no non-digital HD that I'm aware od |
| [02:49:43] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, nor did I say that there was |
| [02:49:52] | Dagmar: | sphery: Yeah teh freq tables were identical when I last looked |
| [02:50:10] | sphery: | and they use ATSC and QAM? |
| [02:50:23] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [02:50:26] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: "there's no point in distinguishing-- whether they're SD or HD," |
| [02:50:43] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, yes, so? Read again |
| [02:50:51] | Pontiac: | Is there any kind of watch dog for Myth to keep an eye on the mythbackend process? |
| [02:50:51] | Dagmar: | We probably both need more caffiene at any rate |
| [02:51:04] | Dagmar: | Pontiac: You can feel free to script one |
| [02:51:10] | iamlindoro: | There's no point in distinguishing between wanting SD or HD, you get what you get when they're digital |
| [02:51:13] | Dagmar: | Generally we assume things are supposed to run until we tell them to stop |
| [02:51:18] | sphery: | iamlindoro: what are you going to do with that couple million dollars? |
| [02:51:25] | Pontiac: | Nothing `official` then. Who can I send a dump to? |
| [02:51:27] | iamlindoro: | buy an island |
| [02:51:31] | Dagmar: | If they *do* stop unexpectedly, that's a bug. |
| [02:52:07] | iamlindoro: | Pontiac, you can get a backtrace, assuming you have built myth with debug symbols, and post a bug ticket |
| [02:52:18] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [02:52:25] | iamlindoro: | if you haven't built myth with debug symbols, however, any debug info is useless |
| [02:52:29] | Pontiac: | Wasn't a build I did. Just came as a downloadable distro. |
| [02:52:35] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: I was chattering at that other newb about his apparent desire for non-digital HD tho |
| [02:52:37] | sphery: | and, if you use a package-based install, please update that page with instructions for using your distro's debug packages |
| [02:52:40] | Pontiac: | But I am pondering on trying a complete build. |
| [02:52:47] | Dagmar: | There's where we got desynched |
| [02:53:18] | iamlindoro: | Pontiac, In that case, you'd need to either build w/ debug symbols yourself, or find out if your distro has debug packages available |
| [02:53:21] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Ah, likely so |
| [02:53:59] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Funny how many times you've said that and yet nobody has ever touched the page, heh |
| [02:54:09] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Everyone wants a cup of coffee, nobody wants to touch the machine |
| [02:54:14] | heyheyhey: | dagmar if i configure lirc to work with mplayer ... do i have to close mythfrontend to work with exectv |
| [02:54:24] | Dagmar: | Nope. |
| [02:54:35] | Dagmar: | There's actually documentation on the wiki about getting them both playing together |
| [02:54:38] | Pontiac: | Something like this: http://www.pastebin.ca/1435771 |
| [02:54:58] | heyheyhey: | i see |
| [02:55:03] | iamlindoro: | Pontiac, Taht would be the aforementioned not-helpful debug info |
| [02:55:31] | Pontiac: | Not-helpful. Perfect. I'll see about getting the debug modules. |
| [02:56:17] | sphery: | iamlindoro: yeah, I figure it's like asking women out--every one in a thousand or so says yes |
| [02:56:34] | iamlindoro: | oh come now, I'm sure your odds are better than that :) |
| [02:56:42] | iamlindoro: | you're a perfectly charming individual |
| [02:56:45] | sphery: | so, I need to ask about 900 more people to do that package-based debug stuff |
| [02:56:51] | iamlindoro: | plus, I know there's a special vacation-taking lady |
| [02:58:47] | sphery: | well, though I'm willing to increase the odds for a date by spending money, I'm not willing to do so for the debug page |
| [02:59:03] | Dagmar: | Good lord |
| [02:59:17] | Dagmar: | I coiuld get one in seven odds just asking for a f**k in college |
| [02:59:29] | Dagmar: | Do you have oozing sores and extra limbs? |
| [03:01:19] | kormoc: | Extra limbs can increase those odds actually, it's the lack of a useful certain limb that reduces the odds... |
| [03:02:19] | Dagmar: | Well, I wasn't walking around with my wang out to let them know my secret |
| [03:02:26] | iamlindoro: | The one that retrieves and uses the wallet? |
| [03:02:30] | Dagmar: | Odds would have been higher than one in seven then |
| [03:02:40] | iamlindoro: | yeah, chicks love a vagina on a dude |
| [03:03:04] | iamlindoro: | or so Dagmar keeps telling me |
| [03:03:14] | Dagmar: | Geez my mouth almost got me into trouble Saturday |
| [03:03:34] | Dagmar: | Some girl was asking me about my scooter and I gave her the standard answer about why I wasn't driving a motorcycle |
| [03:03:42] | iamlindoro: | You should see clever's mouth, he last brushed when Wham! was cool |
| [03:03:45] | Dagmar: | My *gf* pulls up in her car |
| [03:04:25] | clever: | iamlindoro: it was actualy just last week |
| [03:04:28] | Dagmar: | The chick was trying to see if I'd flake after I told her "because I already have a big d**k". I wasn't even thinking about that some women might take that as a blatant come-on |
| [03:04:34] | iamlindoro: | clever, suuuuper |
| [03:04:43] | iamlindoro: | clever, I guess that's "frequent" for you, then? |
| [03:04:48] | clever: | yes! |
| [03:05:11] | iamlindoro: | I can't wait for your dad to have a stroke, you will have totally pre-prepared for homelessness |
| [03:07:34] | iamlindoro: | http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6583 |
| [03:07:44] | iamlindoro: | Holy cow, that's like one of those crazy Dr. Bonners soap bottles |
| [03:09:14] | Dagmar: | Wall of Text crits for 1,849 damage! |
| [03:10:52] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: You think he gets out of the house much? |
| [03:11:07] | iamlindoro: | Dagmar, Just think of all the time he saves not using the carriage return! |
| [03:11:13] | iamlindoro: | or punctuation |
| [03:11:17] | Dagmar: | Most people don't get quite that wordy unless they've been locked up in the dark for a month or two with no one to talk to |
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| [03:13:30] | kormoc: | Is it wrong that I gave up after twelve words? |
| [03:14:28] | Dagmar: | I don't think so. |
| [03:14:53] | Dagmar: | Heck I don't think it would be too much to ask that guy to possibly edit his own bug report down to explaining WTF the actual _bug_ is supposed to be |
| [03:15:10] | Dagmar: | He didn't need to chronicle his every thought through a two hour tinkering sessions |
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| [03:15:58] | sphery: | I got to the part where he finally said it's the "LiveTV sometimes fails on program change" bug and quit reading |
| [03:16:51] | sphery: | and I tend to be very verbose in my tickets, so I'm used to trying to read through wordy tickets |
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| [03:17:02] | sphery: | just couldn't get through that one |
| [03:17:16] | Pontiac: | Reading symbols from /usr/lib/mythtv/filters/libyadif.so...(no debugging symbols found)...done. |
| [03:17:22] | Pontiac: | I'm assuming thats not going to help any? |
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| [03:18:05] | iamlindoro: | Pontiac, no, you actually need to do a debug build (or have someone do one for you), no shortcuts will do |
| [03:18:20] | Pontiac: | Awesome. heh |
| [03:18:28] | iamlindoro: | once done, you can follow the instructions in the wiki page sphery posted |
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| [03:22:43] | sphery: | Pontiac: what distro? |
| [03:22:56] | Pontiac: | Ubuntu. |
| [03:23:50] | sphery: | great... the debug page has a link to Ubuntu's generic package-based debug page (for all packages--not myth specific), so you can use that do learn how to get debug symbols for myth, then can write up myth-specific instructions in that page :) |
| [03:24:08] | sphery: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Debugging |
| [03:25:20] | iamlindoro: | Which is your homework for getting all this wonderful software for free :) |
| [03:26:10] | Pontiac: | Well, I did try what it said, step for step, and what I got was that "Reading Symbols..." line when I did the last instruction in step 3 in the "Already running programs" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace |
| [03:26:26] | Pontiac: | iamlindoro> Wow. Really? Thats cheap! |
| [03:26:37] | ** Dagmar breaks out the cat ** | |
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| [03:27:15] | iamlindoro: | Pontiac, Erm, did you add the debug repositories, apt-get update, and isntall the myth debug packages? |
| [03:27:31] | iamlindoro: | ie mythtv-dbgsym? |
| [03:27:39] | Pontiac: | Lemme see if its there. |
| [03:27:41] | Pontiac: | I thought I did. |
| [03:27:50] | iamlindoro: | ie, you're not suppoed to cut and paste all of that, that page is an example |
| [03:28:03] | ** iamlindoro has a feeling pontiac installed yelp-dbgsym ** | |
| [03:28:07] | iamlindoro: | (the example) |
| [03:28:18] | Pontiac: | Ahhh.. Ok. Thats where I goofed. |
| [03:28:44] | sphery: | thus the need for mythtv-specific instructions on the MythTV wiki Debugging page! |
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| [03:29:01] | clever: | sphery: then go edit it! |
| [03:29:08] | Pontiac: | This will gimme something to do, rather than waste my time watching TV. |
| [03:29:10] | Pontiac: | {smirk} |
| [03:29:14] | iamlindoro: | sphery doesn't use ubuntu, why should he write its instructions? |
| [03:29:32] | subquake: | yay mythbuntu work! |
| [03:29:34] | sphery: | sphery can't even spell appped |
| [03:29:41] | iamlindoro: | apped-git? |
| [03:29:52] | iamlindoro: | appeditood? |
| [03:29:52] | clever: | apt-get |
| [03:29:59] | Pontiac: | Bless you. |
| [03:30:14] | iamlindoro: | synappedtic? |
| [03:30:30] | Pontiac: | Thats where syn<tab> comes in useful. |
| [03:30:46] | sphery: | $ syn |
| [03:30:46] | sphery: | bash: syn: command not found |
| [03:30:46] | iamlindoro: | Not if you're not running an apt distro |
| [03:30:49] | sphery: | didn't work for me |
| [03:31:02] | clever: | tab, not enter |
| [03:31:14] | sphery: | there was a tab, but I hit enter after |
| [03:31:22] | sphery: | $ syn |
| [03:31:22] | sphery: | sync synclient syndaemon |
| [03:31:25] | sphery: | with double-tab |
| [03:31:35] | clever: | then synaptic isnt there |
| [03:31:43] | clever: | and neither is synergy!!:( |
| [03:31:46] | iamlindoro: | jesus christ |
| [03:31:49] | sphery: | ding! ding! ding! we have a winner! |
| [03:31:50] | iamlindoro: | you realy are slow |
| [03:31:55] | iamlindoro: | s/realy/really/ |
| [03:32:01] | iamlindoro: | GO OUTSIDE |
| [03:32:04] | clever: | iamlindoro: i allready knew it was missing |
| [03:32:08] | iamlindoro: | EXPERIENCE HUMANITY |
| [03:32:09] | clever: | iamlindoro: its 12:33 am |
| [03:32:24] | iamlindoro: | that's when all the best people are out |
| [03:32:38] | clever: | like who? |
| [03:32:46] | sphery: | are you in the Atlantic time zone? |
| [03:32:47] | iamlindoro: | people with life enough to be out at midnight |
| [03:32:51] | clever: | sphery: yes |
| [03:33:02] | sphery: | wow... not much land east of you, then |
| [03:33:04] | iamlindoro: | You wouldn't know this from your lifestyle, but sometimes human beings comingle at night |
| [03:33:21] | clever: | sphery: theres 2 provinces on the east-ish side |
| [03:33:30] | kormoc: | they also shower, brush their teeth, then go out and drink and even mate... Every night! |
| [03:33:50] | clever: | ive seen enough of two and a half men to know that:P |
| [03:34:00] | clever: | mythtv helped! |
| [03:34:05] | iamlindoro: | They also don't learn about humanity from a screen |
| [03:34:43] | ** iamlindoro idly wonders how many friends clever thinks he has, and how that number compares to those which he sees in person regularly ** | |
| [03:34:53] | Pontiac: | hmm.. I'm not sure Mythbuntu provides debug packages. |
| [03:35:05] | sphery: | kormoc: mr anon wants you to commit your pet ticket |
| [03:35:11] | sphery: | #4872 |
| [03:35:20] | Pontiac: | Pet ticket? |
| [03:35:24] | subquake: | why would I want debug packages? |
| [03:35:34] | subquake: | =P |
| [03:35:37] | Pontiac: | Not you Sub.. Me. I want the debugs. |
| [03:35:39] | sphery: | he likes the functionality it provides and has been updating the patch |
| [03:35:58] | sphery: | Pontiac: mythbuntu /does/ provide debug packages |
| [03:36:14] | sphery: | and that's the full extend of what I know of them |
| [03:36:26] | sphery: | #mythtv-ubuntu could help you find the repo |
| [03:36:33] | kormoc: | sphery, I actually rewrote a fair chunk of the patch to get it in a commitable state too :) |
| [03:36:35] | Pontiac: | hmmm... I gotta be reading something wrong then. Not in Synaptic, not in Adept..... *continues shoveling* |
| [03:36:37] | sphery: | er, #ubuntu-mythtv |
| [03:36:42] | iamlindoro: | #ubuntu-mythtv, that is |
| [03:36:50] | sphery: | yeah |
| [03:36:55] | Pontiac: | I'm in there. Bunch of statues. |
| [03:37:06] | clever: | apt-get |
| [03:37:08] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, I'd wager that clever sees 3 people semi-regularly who are not related to him. |
| [03:37:26] | clever: | kormoc: close, 2 |
| [03:37:37] | iamlindoro: | clever, and that's.... healthy to you? |
| [03:37:37] | sphery: | I forgot that Ubuntu is basic (Canonical), not commutative |
| [03:38:15] | clever: | iamlindoro: the rest wont get within 10 feet of me enless i shower:P |
| [03:38:30] | kormoc: | Imagine that... |
| [03:38:32] | iamlindoro: | clever, andhow would you propose we solve this boggle |
| [03:38:42] | clever: | shower! |
| [03:38:47] | iamlindoro: | YES |
| [03:39:02] | iamlindoro: | you win at something for once! Now do that! |
| [03:39:05] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, he doesn't want to solve it, that's the heart of the problem, he's a spoiled leetch on his spinless parents, a waste of resources... |
| [03:39:19] | clever: | iamlindoro: its midnight, i'm going to bed |
| [03:39:24] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, As I said before, he's pre-prepared for the looming homelessness |
| [03:39:30] | iamlindoro: | dad gets sick, DONE |
| [03:39:32] | wagnerrp: | its not midnight |
| [03:39:49] | kormoc: | there's not a single timezone in the world where it's actually midnight right now |
| [03:40:01] | clever: | 12:39:59 am |
| [03:40:11] | RyeBrye: | some timezones aren't on hour boundaries |
| [03:40:22] | wagnerrp: | theyre still on halfhour boundaries |
| [03:40:26] | kormoc: | RyeBrye, there are none on the 39 minute boundary ;) |
| [03:41:25] | RyeBrye: | Nepal is UTC+5:45 :) (not quite +39) |
| [03:42:00] | wagnerrp: | not at all 39 |
| [03:42:03] | wagnerrp: | it would have to be +21 |
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| [03:45:47] | RyeBrye: | Hm. when interplanetary travel becomes the norm, time zones will be a real pita |
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| [03:46:01] | wagnerrp: | why? |
| [03:46:16] | kormoc: | they're not now? |
| [03:46:26] | wagnerrp: | well yeah... why would it be any different |
| [03:46:29] | RyeBrye: | well, a martian day isn't 24 hours for starters |
| [03:46:32] | Pontiac: | By then, we'll just have a computer tell us what time it is on the other planets, and we won't have to figure it out. :P |
| [03:47:25] | RyeBrye: | it'd be horrible to call someone when it was midnight on mars and wake them up, it'd be embarassing |
| [03:47:34] | wagnerrp: | RyeBrye: its not like youre going to be doing realtime communications with them either |
| [03:47:40] | wagnerrp: | unless weve solved that issue too |
| [03:48:23] | Pontiac: | Depending on the orientation of the planets, it takes, what, 3–15 minutes to transmit data? |
| [03:48:47] | RyeBrye: | that would be a laggy phone call |
| [03:49:12] | RyeBrye: | imagine the internet with a minimum of 15 minute ping times? |
| [03:49:33] | RyeBrye: | how is that, clever? |
| [03:49:52] | Pontiac: | That'd kick ass for BF2. |
| [03:50:18] | kormoc: | meh |
| [03:50:21] | sphery: | thus TCP-Planet |
| [03:50:59] | kormoc: | I'm sure by the time we really have interplanetary travel, we'll have better communications as well |
| [03:51:42] | RyeBrye: | mars is at least 4.35 light-minutes away though |
| [03:51:57] | wagnerrp: | looks like 3.2 – 22.2 minutes |
| [03:52:01] | wagnerrp: | one-way |
| [03:52:10] | Pontiac: | I dunno about that. Interplanetary travel within our solar system is more likely than our breaking through with faster-than-light communications. |
| [03:52:15] | RyeBrye: | I don't think we will find a way to travel faster than the speed of light |
| [03:52:16] | kormoc: | Sure, but the strange particle interactions are instant |
| [03:52:19] | wagnerrp: | at current, 16.74 minutes |
| [03:52:30] | RyeBrye: | kormoc: oh, you mean funky quantum stuff? |
| [03:52:34] | kormoc: | Aye |
| [03:52:35] | RyeBrye: | funky pairs |
| [03:53:02] | kormoc: | they're doing work on it now, I'm sure by the time we really have to network the earth and mars, we'll have that fairly solid |
| [03:53:09] | wagnerrp: | the interactions themselves are instantaneous, however our awareness of such interactions is still limited to the speed of light |
| [03:53:14] | kormoc: | Sure |
| [03:53:28] | kormoc: | but it still means those few light minutes become zero time |
| [03:53:43] | kormoc: | get a fair sized array of them, we'll have a nice phat pipe |
| [03:54:10] | ** Pontiac dreams of the true 0ms round-robin-planet2planet ping times. ** | |
| [03:54:35] | wagnerrp: | assuming you can get it to work that way, thats an ABSOLUTELY ABSURD amount of pinpoint accuracy |
| [03:54:49] | wagnerrp: | not to mention your transmission point has to be in-between the two endpoints |
| [03:55:00] | RyeBrye: | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster_than_light |
| [03:55:23] | wagnerrp: | rather, the transmission point must bisect the two endpoints |
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| [03:55:36] | iamlindoro: | RyeBrye, Was that linked from the unicorns article, or the one on the loch ness monster? |
| [03:55:46] | RyeBrye: | :) |
| [03:56:47] | Pontiac: | Alright, I THINK the debug code is in.... |
| [03:57:30] | Dagmar: | RyeBrye: Probably the most fictional page on WP |
| [03:58:16] | kormoc: | meh |
| [03:58:29] | Pontiac: | ... still no debugging symbols found... grr. |
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| [03:58:38] | kormoc: | I say give it a few generations and we'll be talking bout how dumb those 21st century folks were |
| [03:59:08] | Pontiac: | ... err.. I talk about how the 21st century folks ARE. Most of the time it ain't good. |
| [04:00:04] | kormoc: | the great culling will fix a lot of it ;) |
| [04:00:29] | kavorka: | hey what do u guys use to convert mythtv recording to avi (ie xvid) directly from myth? i used to use nuvexport but it doesnt appear to be supported anymore |
| [04:00:31] | sphery: | Did the Wraiths get the coordinates of Earth? |
| [04:00:46] | wagnerrp: | yeah, thats how they ended the series |
| [04:00:49] | wagnerrp: | everyone dies |
| [04:00:57] | wagnerrp: | quite japanese |
| [04:00:57] | kormoc: | kavorka, nuvexport works fine, just don't upgrade to a unsupported ffmpeg/mencoder |
| [04:01:07] | kormoc: | they didn't die |
| [04:01:11] | sphery: | kavorka: it's supported, and--assuming you're the one that posted to the -users list--the author asked you what wasn't working for you |
| [04:01:14] | kormoc: | there's the new stargate series comming out |
| [04:01:25] | sphery: | which new series? |
| [04:01:38] | GreyFoxx: | stargate universe :) |
| [04:01:39] | wagnerrp: | quiet, im trying not to spoil the series.... |
| [04:01:45] | kavorka: | sphery: no its wasnt me |
| [04:01:45] | kormoc: | Universe, aye :) |
| [04:01:51] | sphery: | cool |
| [04:01:51] | kormoc: | Fall 2009 |
| [04:01:57] | Pontiac: | I'm gonna give up for now. Wanna watch some TV. |
| [04:02:05] | kavorka: | ok becuase in gentoo it uses an old version of ffmpeg |
| [04:02:09] | sphery: | I've got my SGA S5 pre-ordered... Now I have to wait for Uni S1 |
| [04:02:34] | Pontiac: | sphery> I'll look into getting this jack-assed system to run with debug code. Like iamlindoro says, I gotta pay for my free software somehow. ;) |
| [04:02:45] | iamlindoro: | That's the spirit |
| [04:03:29] | sphery: | Pontiac: thanks... If you write up the instructions for Ubuntu, you'll be the only of ~100 I've asked to actually do it |
| [04:03:43] | Pontiac: | I might even convert the other machine (The .52 machine) to be my `toy box` and have it do some random records to see if it crashes. That way I don't break my working machine. |
| [04:03:54] | Pontiac: | There a place I can add a comment about adding a `watch dog` process? |
| [04:03:56] | sphery: | (where mails to the list count as 1 asking, though many receive the message) |
| [04:04:12] | Dagmar: | You can put it in the "I want hate mail" box |
| [04:04:22] | Dagmar: | ...for the reasons I mentioned earlier. |
| [04:04:23] | sphery: | Pontiac: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Status_Monitoring_How_To |
| [04:04:26] | kormoc: | kavorka, Aye, nuvexport doesn't support every version of ffmpeg, they change their params very often, no point in updating all the time most of the time anyway... |
| [04:05:27] | sphery: | Pontiac: note, though, that throughout Myth's history, actively polling the HTTP status port has probably caused 1000's of times more crashes than saving missed recordings from a dead backend |
| [04:05:56] | Pontiac: | heh.. This is close to what I had for the watch dog... |
| [04:06:07] | Pontiac: | * * * * * ps auxx | grep -v grep | grep mythbackend || /etc/init.d/mythtv-backend restart |
| [04:06:19] | Dagmar: | Yuck |
| [04:06:23] | Pontiac: | Root cron job. |
| [04:06:29] | Dagmar: | Stupid cron job |
| [04:06:32] | sphery: | IMHO, a ping is a better approach: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/370119#370119 |
| [04:06:55] | Pontiac: | Thing is, the machine would ping itself. |
| [04:06:59] | Dagmar: | Try reading the man page for ps. Trust me. |
| [04:07:31] | sphery: | BTW, I meant ping is better than polling HTTP status port. Looking at process list may be better even--I'll let the philosophers argue that one. |
| [04:07:31] | Dagmar: | You don't need grep and you certainly don't need grep twice. |
| [04:07:38] | Pontiac: | <sarcasm> Last time I read a man page, the LCD screen imploded! </sarcasm> |
| [04:07:46] | kavorka: | kormoc: i thought so....going to see if i can install a slotted version of ffmepg |
| [04:08:30] | kormoc: | sphery, all the other SG fans, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g13I9vtr6jc is the only commercial for SG:U so far |
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| [04:08:57] | sphery: | finally a youtube link that's worth starting up a flash-enabled firefox instance |
| [04:09:01] | Pontiac: | I like the one example of mailing me on death. I wonder if I configured my mail machine to actually transmit outside the network....... |
| [04:09:15] | wagnerrp: | ive heard its a mix between stargate and battlestar |
| [04:09:28] | kormoc: | it's a fair bit that way it seems |
| [04:09:43] | wagnerrp: | was that Lou Diamond Phillips i just saw? |
| [04:10:00] | wagnerrp: | indeed |
| [04:10:01] | sphery: | Pontiac: wouldn't you want it to mail your next of kin if you die? |
| [04:10:37] | wagnerrp: | looks like hes a lesser character |
| [04:10:38] | Pontiac: | hehe.. I meant the server mailing me if the backend dies. If I'm dead, I ain't gonna give a rats ass as to what TV shows I record. ;) |
| [04:11:10] | kormoc: | You'll all know when I'm dead, cause mythweb will be ported to python shortly after ;) |
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| [04:11:30] | Pontiac: | LOL! |
| [04:12:22] | kormoc: | "Joseph Mallozzi explained that a new series would have lower salaries and licensing fees than a new sixth season of Atlantis would have had" |
| [04:12:32] | ** kormoc shoots SG:U ** | |
| [04:12:39] | wagnerrp: | licensing fees? |
| [04:12:48] | xris: | kormoc: I don't like python any more than you do. :) |
| [04:12:58] | kormoc: | xris, true... :P |
| [04:13:13] | Pontiac: | Well now... That ain't cool. My VM host machine just blue screened for some stupid reason. |
| [04:13:14] | Pontiac: | grr. |
| [04:14:50] | kormoc: | that just boils my bucket, they only stopped SG:A cause of SG:U being cheaper... god... I don't understand these tv folks... |
| [04:15:27] | Pontiac: | Its all about the almighty dollar. |
| [04:15:48] | xris: | Pontiac: since when does linux go blue-screen? |
| [04:16:02] | xris: | (and yes, that was a loaded question) |
| [04:16:14] | kormoc: | sure, but SG:A happens to be profitable, so rather then keep something that makes some money, they're gonna risk a major flop... |
| [04:16:21] | Pontiac: | xris> Its an XP host. |
| [04:16:22] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, On the plus side, this means Jewel is available for Dollhouse ;) |
| [04:16:31] | kormoc: | Heh, true! |
| [04:16:32] | xris: | Pontiac: somehow I knew that... :) |
| [04:16:38] | kormoc: | Millie's part is open... |
| [04:16:39] | wagnerrp: | xris: depends on how old your monitor is |
| [04:16:45] | GreyFoxx: | ooohhhh that's be nice :) |
| [04:16:46] | ** kormoc sends her resume over... ** | |
| [04:16:51] | Pontiac: | Perhaps cuz MS is the only blue screener? ;) |
| [04:17:04] | iamlindoro: | kormoc, Hell, for my money they can make her Echo ;) |
| [04:17:09] | ** kormoc laughs ** | |
| [04:17:13] | kormoc: | I'd be a fan ;) |
| [04:17:23] | kormoc: | and then Millie could come back! |
| [04:18:00] | kormoc: | She was a good one, I'm sad she's gone |
| [04:18:33] | iamlindoro: | Guess they figured they couldn't leave a chunky girl on the show |
| [04:18:39] | iamlindoro: | not they can get a skeleton in |
| [04:18:51] | kormoc: | That's sad imho |
| [04:19:07] | wagnerrp: | they made her too needy |
| [04:19:08] | GreyFoxx: | hehe the fact that she s considered chunk is what is sad |
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| [04:19:14] | Dagmar: | Yeah that position's already filled by the asian doll |
| [04:19:19] | GreyFoxx: | yeah but that's just a person aility |
| [04:19:35] | GreyFoxx: | they can wipe away the neediness |
| [04:20:01] | RyeBrye: | wait, who is Millie? |
| [04:20:15] | wagnerrp: | the fake girlfriend of the FBI guy |
| [04:20:16] | ** xris changes channel to avoid spolers. :) ** | |
| [04:20:22] | RyeBrye: | Oh, I couldn't stand her acting |
| [04:20:25] | RyeBrye: | or lack thereof |
| [04:20:58] | wagnerrp: | xris: not a spoiler, you should have noticed there was something... off, about her since the start |
| [04:23:07] | xris: | wagnerrp: I've never seen the show. |
| [04:23:40] | wagnerrp: | well its still not really a spoiler, it was in the first or second episode |
| [04:23:45] | xris: | heh |
| [04:24:24] | kormoc: | xris, Say wha? |
| [04:25:07] | kormoc: | xris, you're really missing out, not as good as firefly, but pretty solid... |
| [04:25:24] | iamlindoro: | getting closer by the end of the season, though |
| [04:26:07] | wagnerrp: | firefly was just a straightforward, enjoyable show |
| [04:26:16] | wagnerrp: | dollhouse has too much intrigue |
| [04:26:21] | Dagmar: | Yay space cowboys |
| [04:26:27] | Dagmar: | ..and particularly space cowgirls. :) |
| [04:26:32] | kormoc: | Aye! |
| [04:26:50] | kormoc: | or rather, space mechanics... ;) |
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| [04:26:56] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [04:27:00] | wagnerrp: | who like riding... engines |
| [04:27:06] | Dagmar: | I liked her "gimme" attitude |
| [04:27:43] | mattwj2002: | hi guys quick question....does Mythtv support the EPG data from an ATSC tuner? |
| [04:27:55] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002: yes and no |
| [04:27:58] | Dagmar: | heh |
| [04:28:05] | wagnerrp: | yes, it is supported... no, its not worth using |
| [04:28:11] | mattwj2002: | okay |
| [04:28:16] | mattwj2002: | what is the no part? |
| [04:28:21] | Dagmar: | It can tell you what's on, and *might* tell you what's up next. |
| [04:28:21] | mattwj2002: | buggy or something? |
| [04:28:30] | mattwj2002: | oh |
| [04:28:31] | wagnerrp: | it doesnt really exist |
| [04:28:51] | wagnerrp: | US broadcasters are not very forthcoming on that sort of data |
| [04:29:09] | mattwj2002: | does it matter what tuner you have? |
| [04:29:38] | wagnerrp: | not in the least (since they all receive the same lack of data) |
| [04:30:36] | mattwj2002: | okay....the reason I ask....is because I have convert box and the epg seems to work pretty good on that |
| [04:30:37] | wagnerrp: | pay your $20, get schedulesdirect, and enjoy not having to futz with XMLTV |
| [04:30:51] | mattwj2002: | I'll all ready have it.....I was just curious |
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| [04:32:22] | kormoc: | woah, WD is shipping 2tb drives now, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136344 |
| [04:32:38] | wagnerrp: | theyve been shipping them for some time |
| [04:32:42] | wagnerrp: | but they sold out fast |
| [04:32:50] | wagnerrp: | theyve been OOS for about a month now |
| [04:33:08] | wagnerrp: | they dropped in price too |
| [04:33:15] | wagnerrp: | they were $300 |
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| [04:34:53] | mattwj2002: | I bought my first 1080p monitor |
| [04:35:04] | kormoc: | "Cons: – Way overpriced currently. You can have one 2TB drive, or almost three 1.5TB drives totaling 5.5TB." |
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| [04:35:11] | mattwj2002: | I found a good price $169 with free shipping and handling |
| [04:35:14] | ** kormoc thinks someone failed math class ** | |
| [04:35:38] | wagnerrp: | mattwj2002: one of the new Dells? |
| [04:35:44] | mattwj2002: | nope |
| [04:36:14] | wagnerrp: | i know they just released a new 22" 1080p for around that price |
| [04:36:39] | mattwj2002: | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236051 |
| [04:36:53] | mattwj2002: | yeah this is a 21.5 inch :) |
| [04:37:05] | mattwj2002: | it is only half an inch difference |
| [04:37:06] | mattwj2002: | :) |
| [04:38:21] | wagnerrp: | i dont think i can buy another TN panel |
| [04:38:28] | RyeBrye: | "Other Thoughts: You should know the difference between the way windows defines GB and TB and the way drive manufacturers define those." <-- poor guy |
| [04:38:32] | wagnerrp: | at least for anything im going to use for a desktop |
| [04:38:42] | mattwj2002: | tn panel? |
| [04:39:04] | wagnerrp: | im fed up with being able to sit up or slouch down, and getting a completely different picture |
| [04:39:27] | wagnerrp: | TN = twisted nematic |
| [04:40:09] | mattwj2002: | is that what I bought? |
| [04:40:10] | mattwj2002: | :S |
| [04:40:15] | wagnerrp: | its one mechanism for handling the polarization in LCDs |
| [04:40:32] | wagnerrp: | anything youre going to find that cheap is going to be a TN panel |
| [04:40:44] | wagnerrp: | theyre very fast, at the expense of color quality and viewing angle |
| [04:40:46] | mattwj2002: | what do you find wrong with them? |
| [04:40:55] | Dagmar: | Their ides of "viewing angle" includes anyone who can see there's supposed to be a picture there |
| [04:41:22] | wagnerrp: | that 160H/170V angle they quote |
| [04:41:23] | mattwj2002: | got ya |
| [04:41:30] | Dagmar: | ..which is just "M*TH*RF**KING AWESOM" when you're trying to do some image editing |
| [04:41:32] | wagnerrp: | is the angle at which contrast ratio drops to 10:1 |
| [04:41:52] | Dagmar: | ...and you can't seem to get the colors right because there's a decided difference in your "viewing angle" between a window at the top of the display and a window at the bottom. |
| [04:42:56] | mattwj2002: | well I am also going to use it as a tv |
| [04:43:03] | Dagmar: | NightHawkTheSane: We all know they'd just call them terrorists and cordon off the block |
| [04:43:12] | wagnerrp: | wrong channel? |
| [04:44:05] | ** Pontiac puts his feet up and realizes he's STILL not watched any TV. ** | |
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| [04:54:32] | mattwj2002: | I have a feature request.... |
| [04:54:52] | wagnerrp: | theres a page for those on the wiki |
| [04:54:54] | mattwj2002: | make mythtv scalable like kaffiene |
| [04:55:04] | mattwj2002: | so you scale the window |
| [04:55:20] | Pontiac: | Anyone have experience with setting up MAIL on a linux box, so that when I have my machine send an email, it'll send it to my mail server to fire off to the wild-blue-internet? |
| [04:55:34] | Pontiac: | hmm.. wait.. scratch that. Just got an idea. |
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| [05:01:46] | Shadow__X: | i wish there was a way for me to know what i would get off of firewire in an area |
| [05:01:48] | Shadow__X: | :( |
| [05:02:46] | Pontiac: | ... what do you mean "get off of firewire in an area"?? |
| [05:02:48] | tank-man: | try it or know someone that has tried it |
| [05:03:18] | tank-man: | he means if it works or not |
| [05:03:25] | Shadow__X: | yeah |
| [05:03:32] | Shadow__X: | i am moving |
| [05:03:38] | Shadow__X: | so it would be someting nice to know |
| [05:03:51] | Shadow__X: | i guess worst comes to worst here i go hdpvr |
| [05:09:38] | mattwj2002: | you guys....this EPG doesn't seem too bad |
| [05:10:32] | mattwj2002: | it takes it awhile to gather the data....but it seems to work |
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| [05:16:54] | subquake: | why can't I find my kernel source directory...? anyone direct me? |
| [05:17:14] | subquake: | rather I'm trying to find the get_dvb_firmware script |
| [05:18:48] | tank-man: | did you compile your own kernel? |
| [05:18:53] | subquake: | nope |
| [05:18:57] | subquake: | mythbuntu |
| [05:19:07] | subquake: | is pretty |
| [05:19:17] | tank-man: | then why would you have the source unless you installed the source |
| [05:19:37] | subquake: | point taken |
| [05:19:40] | tank-man: | most stuff you install doesnt install the source as well unless you tell it to |
| [05:20:17] | subquake: | but where did this install to: sudo apt-get install linux-doc |
| [05:20:49] | tank-man: | im not too familiar with apt-get |
| [05:21:04] | subquake: | same thing as yum |
| [05:21:22] | subquake: | or do they install things that differently? |
| [05:21:57] | tank-man: | im only familiar with installing from source and slackware packages |
| [05:22:37] | subquake: | I'm just trying to follow some directions: |
| [05:22:39] | tank-man: | what is "linux-doc" ? |
| [05:22:41] | subquake: | # sudo apt-get install linux-doc-[kernel version] # cd /[kernel source directory]/Documentation/dvb/ # sudo gzip -d get_dvb_firmware.gz # sudo chmod +x get_dvb_firmware # sudo perl get_dvb_firmware nxt2004 |
| [05:22:57] | subquake: | it contains the perl script I want |
| [05:23:04] | subquake: | get_dvb_firmware |
| [05:23:13] | tank-man: | did you fill in the kernel version in that command with yours? |
| [05:23:24] | subquake: | no, I let it figure it out |
| [05:23:32] | subquake: | I put in linux-doc |
| [05:23:37] | subquake: | and it filled in the rest |
| [05:23:58] | tank-man: | kernel source is usually in /usr/src/linux |
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| [05:24:56] | tank-man: | yea, i see that script in my kernel source directory |
| [05:25:45] | tank-man: | /usr/src/linux/Documentation/dvb/get_dvb_firmware |
| [05:26:32] | subquake: | I have linux-headers-xxx-11 and linux-headers-xxx-11-generic |
| [05:26:43] | subquake: | and neither have the script I want =( |
| [05:28:49] | tank-man: | you can always get it from www.kernel.org |
| [05:32:29] | subquake: | here we go |
| [05:32:30] | subquake: | /usr/share/doc/linux-doc-2.6.28 |
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| [05:32:42] | subquake: | thank you synaptic package manager |
| [05:37:21] | Pontiac: | Ahhh.. Sweet.. FINALLY got my mail server setup the way I need to to get my phone to report when Myths backend dies. |
| [05:44:40] | wagnerrp: | why would you need to set up an SMTP server to do that? |
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| [06:27:43] | Pontiac: | I have an SMTP server already running on the LAN, but it was being used internally only. I wanted it to fire email off publically, so instead of setting up a second mail server, I just wanted it to send the mail to my mail server to fire off to my cell phone. |
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| [06:44:46] | subquake: | anyone awake still? |
| [06:44:52] | kormoc: | no |
| [06:45:29] | subquake: | I'm trying to test my tuner card to make sure it's working. Any suggestion for an application? |
| [06:45:41] | kormoc: | depends on the card |
| [06:45:43] | wagnerrp: | what type of tuner? |
| [06:45:55] | subquake: | atsc 115 |
| [06:45:57] | subquake: | kworld |
| [06:46:33] | subquake: | mythtv was able to scan channels and pick some up, but when I try to watch, it just flashes briefly and returns me to the menu |
| [06:46:47] | wagnerrp: | check your logs |
| [06:47:22] | wagnerrp: | specifically, backend logs |
| [06:50:37] | subquake: | looking at the status menus it says I have no guide data |
| [06:50:52] | wagnerrp: | guide data doesnt matter for testing |
| [06:51:07] | subquake: | I better find how to get to the back-end log |
| [06:51:15] | wagnerrp: | usually in /var/log/mythtv |
| [06:53:22] | subquake: | I think its mixed in with the logs for mythbuntu |
| [06:53:34] | subquake: | ==> /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log <== |
| [06:53:36] | Pontiac: | I use mythbuntu, and wagnerrp has it right. |
| [06:53:46] | wagnerrp: | the backend is part of mythbuntu |
| [06:53:49] | subquake: | yea |
| [06:53:52] | subquake: | I noticed |
| [06:54:00] | wagnerrp: | you probably have a mythbackend.log and a mythfrontend.log in there |
| [06:54:21] | subquake: | it won't make a difference if I use the log gathering options in the menus, will it? |
| [06:54:24] | subquake: | yea |
| [06:55:20] | subquake: | for some reason it thinks I have 4 tuners |
| [06:55:35] | Pontiac: | You probably added 4 since it doesn't autodetect. |
| [06:56:00] | subquake: | ok then |
| [06:56:22] | subquake: | would I be able to remove the extras if I got through the mtyhtv setup again? |
| [06:56:27] | wagnerrp: | 4 tuners? or 4 virtual tuners on one physical tuner? |
| [06:56:35] | subquake: | I suppose so, yea |
| [06:56:39] | subquake: | I only have one tuner |
| [06:56:49] | subquake: | but the directions I found: 7. Setup the card in MythTV as two devices. Analog V4l capture card audio input should be "/dev/dsp1" sampling rate 32000 DVB DTV capture card (v3.x) Select "Recording Options" and check the box "Open DVB card on demand" or else the analog won't work because MythTV won't release the card. (In older versions you will need to manually edit the database parentID value of the analog card) |
| [06:56:51] | wagnerrp: | digital tuners can capture an entire multiplex at once |
| [06:57:15] | wagnerrp: | so mythtv has the concept of virtual tuners to handle this |
| [06:57:21] | Pontiac: | *beats up this flip'n back end* |
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| [06:57:55] | wagnerrp: | your card does have a digital and an analog mode, that would be set up as two tuners physical within mythtv |
| [06:58:05] | wagnerrp: | put into one recording group so mythtv knows not to use both at the same time |
| [06:58:23] | Pontiac: | Why the hell does Mythbackend keep crashing?? >:[ |
| [06:58:31] | Pontiac: | Really starting to royally piss me off. |
| [06:58:33] | wagnerrp: | however you really shouldnt even bother with the analog side on that card |
| [07:01:03] | subquake: | the card doesn't have some connections in only digital or analog? |
| [07:01:28] | subquake: | like the antenna connector versus the s-video or a/v connector? |
| [07:02:19] | wagnerrp: | can you use the video inputs while using the digital tuner? maybe, i dont know |
| [07:02:37] | wagnerrp: | but you only have one tuner, you can only use it in digital or analog mode, not both at the same time |
| [07:02:37] | subquake: | digital tuner... |
| [07:02:54] | subquake: | I think I'm confused |
| [07:03:44] | subquake: | digital as in the antenna style? I gots me one 'o' those digital analog converter boxes |
| [07:04:07] | wagnerrp: | tuner as in the antenna style |
| [07:04:38] | wagnerrp: | the tuner handles RF signals, however in this case, its capable of handling both digital and analog |
| [07:04:45] | wagnerrp: | just one at a time |
| [07:05:15] | subquake: | how do I get it to use the digital tuner? |
| [07:05:21] | subquake: | I need some hardware? |
| [07:05:22] | wagnerrp: | however since V4L and DVB are two completely disconnected subsystems, mythtv recognizes the card as two completely separate cards |
| [07:05:46] | wagnerrp: | you have to set up both sides separately |
| [07:05:55] | wagnerrp: | however you really should only bother setting up the digital side |
| [07:05:59] | wagnerrp: | the analog side is hardly worth using |
| [07:06:04] | subquake: | I agree |
| [07:07:16] | subquake: | so I would install only the DVB DTV capture card instructions? |
| [07:07:25] | wagnerrp: | that is correct |
| [07:07:53] | subquake: | and I suppose it wouldn't hurt to delete all of the cards using the mythbuntu setup menu |
| [07:08:07] | subquake: | its strange that it only lists two in there, though |
| [07:08:22] | subquake: | just the analog and the DTV |
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| [07:33:58] | subquake: | =( |
| [07:33:59] | subquake: | DVBChan(1:0) Error: SetChannelByString(2): Failed to initialize multiplex options |
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| [07:45:24] | Pontiac: | Is there a way to get mythcommflag to NOT hammer on Mysql so hard? |
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| [08:27:30] | hot_wheelz: | Does anyone know how i may be able to find an update on the progress on NXP\Phillips drivers for tuners like saa7130 and saa7162? |
| [08:32:59] | wagnerrp: | google and mailing lists? |
| [08:33:03] | wagnerrp: | linuxtv.org? |
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| [09:22:50] | oobe: | Pontiac, make commflag use a screw driver instead of a hammer |
| [09:26:33] | juski: | hammer so hard? not that many transactions/sec shirley |
| [09:26:55] | juski: | myth_optimise_db.pl or whatever |
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| [10:03:16] | gbee: | doubt that commflagging is any more intensive on mysql than recording, in fact less so – anything else would be a bug |
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| [10:08:23] | k-man: | for some reason a recording did not record on my hdhr. it still shows it as recording but if i try and watch it, it says recording not yet available |
| [10:09:50] | k-man: | any idea how i can track down what the problem is? |
| [10:10:10] | gbee: | check logs, that tends to happen when there is zero signal or it is unable to communicate with the driver/device |
| [10:11:49] | k-man: | gbee: yeah, looking in the logs, i can't see anything that looks bad |
| [10:12:50] | k-man: | heres the relevant section in the logs http://pastebin.ca/1436061 |
| [10:13:38] | k-man: | what logging uptions should i enable to get more info next time? |
| [10:22:38] | juski: | record |
| [10:22:45] | juski: | pertinent to erm..recordings |
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| [10:33:56] | stevecam: | hey |
| [10:34:59] | stevecam: | i try to watch tv, but for some reason it goes to a black screen and goes out of tv, this has never happened before, what does it mean |
| [10:36:31] | juski: | means you have to look in the backend logs to find out what's wrong |
| [10:36:39] | stevecam: | lol |
| [10:36:58] | stevecam: | thats what i get for asking questions too fast |
| [10:38:44] | juski: | any problems with recordings not happening like that.. look in the backend log |
| [10:38:44] | stevecam: | Table 'r' is marked as crashed and should be repaired |
| [10:39:16] | juski: | another job for optimize_mythdb.pl |
| [10:39:38] | stevecam: | where is optimize_myth.pl kept |
| [10:39:50] | juski: | or simply mysqlcheck on the mythconverg database a la mysqlcheck -u mythtv -p$THEPASSWORD mythconverg |
| [10:40:17] | juski: | where $THEPASSWORD is the mysql 'mythtv user' password |
| [10:40:36] | stevecam: | oh, i dont think ive set a password for mythtv user yet |
| [10:41:01] | juski: | no not the 'mythtv' *user* |
| [10:41:15] | juski: | the mysql account called 'mythtv' |
| [10:41:25] | juski: | that's an important distinction |
| [10:42:11] | stevecam: | is there a default? |
| [10:42:21] | juski: | depends |
| [10:42:37] | stevecam: | i installed on ubuntu |
| [10:42:40] | juski: | ubuntu tends to generate randomised passwords for mysql users |
| [10:42:48] | stevecam: | gah |
| [10:42:49] | juski: | which isn't helpful in the least |
| [10:43:02] | juski: | /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt should tell you though |
| [10:45:58] | juski: | personally I think that all the password randomisation junk just causes more problems than it solves. I mean – what's the likelihood of somebody running a mythtv box putting it directly on the internet ffs? |
| [10:47:33] | ** sid3windr hides ** | |
| [10:48:03] | juski: | take protecting users to the ultimate level & why not just stop them doing _anything_ that has the potential to break stuff? |
| [10:48:03] | stevecam: | thanks juski , its working |
| [10:48:23] | juski: | sandbox the fscking lot of it! :D |
| [10:48:51] | stevecam: | juski, i think that the password is pointless |
| [10:48:56] | juski: | sudo ...command not found. nononono, you don't need to create a dir or delete files..you cannot be trusted |
| [10:49:33] | juski: | probably is |
| [10:49:56] | juski: | wouldn't be hard to brute-force even a 6 char password over a network connection |
| [10:50:40] | stevecam: | juski, it isnt hard to run cat /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt |
| [10:50:49] | juski: | and then how much fun is it messing with a stranger's database? |
| [10:51:28] | juski: | stevecam: I think the point is to prevent remote access |
| [10:51:40] | juski: | once you have physical access, there's not much you can prevent |
| [10:52:10] | juski: | e.g. if the machine was internet facing, not via a router |
| [10:52:45] | juski: | wouldn't be good having mysql open to the interwebs.. that's their rationale |
| [10:53:16] | stevecam: | the chances are, people either get some sort of access, it could be shell |
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| [10:58:03] | juski: | anyway, first thing I do on ubuntu is change the passwords manually :) |
| [10:58:44] | juski: | change the root password (oh yes) & mysql passwords |
| [10:59:27] | juski: | prolly don't need to do the root password really but I'm a control freak |
| [10:59:39] | juski: | s/control// |
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| [11:12:58] | chainsawbike: | juski, sudo su works for me :P |
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| [11:27:31] | juski: | heh the BNP are claiming they were DDoS'd at the weekend. The possibility that their puny server couldn't handle demand or that they'd maxxed out their BW allowance is of course discounted. Moronicles |
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| [11:37:25] | superdump: | iamlindoro: nothing new with ffmpeg-mt at the moment, but i should be working on it within the next month or so |
| [11:37:33] | superdump: | maybe astrange will get some time too |
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| [14:29:22] | gbee: | janneg: so far I'm happy with UNR, had to workaround a known bug but other than that |
| [14:30:27] | gbee: | just need to figure out how store my WPA key outside their wallet/keychain thing, or at least have that open without requesting the password each time |
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| [14:37:20] | TazgodX: | is there a way to list multiple directories for storing videos, but show all files and folders inside as one directory? i don't want to get rid of all folders, cause i have some shows divided into sub folders, i just don't want to see a drive1 and a drive2 folder to chose from at first |
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| [14:42:56] | clever: | TazgodX: you could use lndir to make a folder with symlinks, that looks like a copy |
| [14:43:14] | clever: | and then repeat that for each drive so you have a 'copy' of both drives in a single directory |
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| [14:44:54] | clever: | mkdir ~/links/; cd ~/links; lndir -silent /media/drive1/; lndir -silent /media/drive2/ |
| [14:45:14] | TazgodX: | thanks |
| [14:45:16] | TazgodX: | ill try that |
| [14:45:25] | clever: | now ~/links/ will have symlinks pointing in both directions, and look like you merged the 2 drives |
| [14:46:06] | TazgodX: | do you have any clue on how to disable the screensaver when xine is playing a movie? :) |
| [14:46:24] | clever: | thru mythvideo? |
| [14:46:28] | TazgodX: | yeah |
| [14:46:34] | clever: | you could make a small script |
| [14:46:50] | clever: | the script would turn the screen saver off, run xine, and then turn it back on |
| [14:46:59] | clever: | and then edit mythvideo to use that script for playing files |
| [14:47:13] | clever: | or use the internal player |
| [14:47:27] | clever: | mythtv itself will turn it on/off when you pause/stop/play |
| [14:47:31] | TazgodX: | the internal player isn't playing well with most my videos |
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| [14:47:41] | clever: | ahh :( |
| [14:49:40] | TazgodX: | xine is actually playing the videos nicly, except for small hickups, like verticle sync on fast scenes, and slightly slower playback at times. internal player sometimes doesn't play the same videos, and sometimes if it does loses audio video sync |
| [14:50:00] | clever: | http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/1436331 |
| [14:50:21] | clever: | if you put a script like that into ~/bin/fake_xine and then +x it, it should turn the screen saver off when running |
| [14:50:30] | clever: | then just tell mythvideo to use that |
| [14:51:07] | TazgodX: | thanks |
| [14:51:16] | TazgodX: | ill try it |
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| [15:10:56] | RoundQube: | hello all |
| [15:11:29] | RoundQube: | this isn't mythtv related but was hoping someone could point me in the right direction. I'm trying to record live streaming video, anyone know how I can accomplish this? sorry for the post in the wrong channel, not sure where else to go (searched google) |
| [15:13:20] | TazgodX: | clever, im getting an error with lndir. says "Value too large for defined data type" |
| [15:14:18] | clever: | TazgodX: i think it does that when you have files over 4gig |
| [15:15:37] | clever: | you should see something like that in the last directory it was working on |
| [15:15:43] | TazgodX: | thats what i first thought, but it did work on a video thats 6.5gig |
| [15:16:04] | gagbro: | RoundQube: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=recording+streams |
| [15:16:22] | clever: | TazgodX: try strace lndir /media/drive1 |
| [15:16:36] | clever: | and post the last 10–20 lines on http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/ |
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| [15:22:29] | ** iamlindoro kicks the internet ** | |
| [15:22:31] | iamlindoro: | work! |
| [15:23:43] | ** clever kicks iamlindoro ** | |
| [15:24:05] | iamlindoro: | luckily, given our disparity in activity levels, that has a far greater chance of hurting you |
| [15:24:39] | clever: | i can allways make a new internet:P |
| [15:25:10] | iamlindoro: | Oh how I wish you would, and then stay there |
| [15:26:22] | slayven: | will there be a router to get from one internet to the other? |
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| [15:26:56] | iamlindoro: | No, the new, brighter internet is inoculated against clever |
| [15:27:02] | clever: | slayven: depends on if the old one still exists at that time |
| [15:27:06] | iamlindoro: | it'll be like a glorious berlin wall |
| [15:27:35] | meshe: | creating a new internet would be way too cost-prohibitive |
| [15:27:40] | iamlindoro: | note that clever can't and won't ever create anything, he's a useless layabout with no ability to create anything, nor come up with original ideas that aren't laughably bad |
| [15:27:46] | slayven: | so you have to be james bond or something to get into east germany ... er, the other internet |
| [15:28:01] | iamlindoro: | slayven: That's like intentionally getting herpes |
| [15:28:34] | clever: | iamlindoro: i made a qt program a month ago that let me control mplayer with the mouse, without having to click in any cerain area |
| [15:28:39] | clever: | left click, pause |
| [15:28:44] | clever: | right click, next song |
| [15:29:01] | iamlindoro: | clever: Should I be impressed? ('cause I'm not) |
| [15:29:18] | clever: | you just claimed 'with no ability to create anything' |
| [15:29:38] | iamlindoro: | That's where column b comes in |
| [15:29:47] | iamlindoro: | That would be "laughably bad" |
| [15:30:05] | clever: | and how is that bad? |
| [15:30:08] | iamlindoro: | Why don't you create yourself some basic hygiene? |
| [15:30:46] | iamlindoro: | clever: Because it's stupid and useless and serves no purpose, not unlike everything you say or do? |
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| [15:31:02] | clever: | iamlindoro: its usefull for controling the laptop when the lcd panel is closed |
| [15:31:16] | ** iamlindoro sighs ** | |
| [15:31:23] | slayven: | no wait |
| [15:31:27] | iamlindoro: | It's probably best that you stay in the house |
| [15:31:34] | clever: | or for putting a usb mouse on 20 feet of extensions to control the system running on the stereo |
| [15:31:43] | slayven: | how are you supposed to watch a movie when the laptop is closed? |
| [15:31:44] | clever: | though lirc would be better |
| [15:31:50] | clever: | slayven: its for music |
| [15:31:53] | slayven: | this doesnt feel right |
| [15:32:05] | iamlindoro: | slayven: You've clued in on the essential clever conundrum :) |
| [15:32:21] | iamlindoro: | Everything he does is more preposterous than the last thing he did |
| [15:32:29] | slayven: | why do you use mplayer for music-playlists? |
| [15:32:29] | clever: | it was originaly for putting the laptop into a bookbag, with headphones and the mouse for control |
| [15:32:37] | iamlindoro: | Pretty soon a whole in spacetime will open up and solve this problem for us |
| [15:32:41] | iamlindoro: | er hole |
| [15:32:55] | clever: | slayven: i know how everything in there works and it was trivial to make a program to control it |
| [15:33:54] | clever: | iamlindoro: and i dont see you doing a thing to help TazgodX |
| [15:35:41] | iamlindoro: | clever: Don't be disingenuous, what does my helping or not helping one of the hundreds of people in here have to do with anything? You must really feel bad about yourself to stetch this far to try to fight back |
| [15:36:00] | janneg: | gbee: using an empty password for the keyring doesn't work? |
| [15:36:01] | iamlindoro: | Besides, I was on my way to my grown-up job, it's this thing people with lives have |
| [15:36:29] | clever: | just pointing out that i'm actualy doing something in this room, other then trying to insult people |
| [15:37:16] | iamlindoro: | clever: For every one person you walk through the ordeal of dealing with you, I actually solve the problems on ten people. I hardly need to compare my usefulness as pertains to this channel or this project to you |
| [15:37:56] | clever: | when was the last time you solved a problem in here? |
| [15:38:19] | iamlindoro: | clever: Multiple times, daily? |
| [15:38:26] | iamlindoro: | yesterday included? |
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| [15:38:45] | clever: | dont remember seeing it |
| [15:38:56] | iamlindoro: | you were likely off being a useless bag of goo somewhere |
| [15:39:37] | clever: | aka, sleeping at night |
| [15:39:48] | iamlindoro: | Let's not stretch believability |
| [15:40:44] | ** jams decides to seperate clever and iamlindoro ** | |
| [15:41:01] | iamlindoro: | oh come on, we were so close to making out |
| [15:41:08] | iamlindoro: | now I'll never get to first base |
| [15:41:11] | clever: | you wish |
| [15:41:22] | ** iamlindoro thinks, dies a little inside ** | |
| [15:41:30] | clever: | :D |
| [15:41:40] | iamlindoro: | now I need a shower to take the dirty away |
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| [15:53:57] | TazgodX: | clever, it seems like this script is working to disable screensaver, just letting a movie run now and seeing if the screensaver tries to come on |
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| [15:55:01] | TUplink: | im trying to setup a remote frontend but i get this Connection to backend server: 127.0.0.1:6543 ... Connection Timed out. You probably should modify the Master Server settings in the setup program and set the proper address. is my prob on the server or the frontend? in frontend i setup the ip to 192.168.15.240 why is it still 127.0.0.1? |
| [15:55:12] | TazgodX: | if i get lndir working, does that mean it has to be ran everytime i add a file to either of the dirs? |
| [15:56:45] | clever: | TazgodX: yeah, i made a script to run it on every drive to update the whole set of links |
| [15:57:55] | wagnerrp: | TUplink: its still 127.0.0.1 because you havent set it otherwise |
| [15:57:58] | kormoc: | TazgodX, you need to change the master backend ips in mythtv-setup on the master backend |
| [15:58:06] | wagnerrp: | on the backend, run mythtv-setup, and change it |
| [15:58:14] | wagnerrp: | kormoc: wrong user |
| [15:58:24] | kormoc: | whoops |
| [15:59:08] | TUplink: | in the frontend i went into setup and changed it |
| [15:59:24] | kormoc: | TUplink, you have to change it on the master backend as well |
| [15:59:29] | wagnerrp: | you have to change both IPs, one is global, one is local |
| [15:59:42] | TUplink: | ok on the backend i need to set it |
| [15:59:43] | wagnerrp: | so you have to run mythtv-setup locally on the backend server to set it |
| [15:59:54] | wagnerrp: | running it on the frontend wont do it |
| [16:00:07] | TUplink: | that did it |
| [16:00:16] | TUplink: | thanks |
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| [16:03:17] | TazgodX: | clever, not working...screensaver still coming on |
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| [16:04:46] | clever: | TazgodX: run 'xset -dpms' in a terminal and see if it stops it |
| [16:04:53] | clever: | and is it xscreensaver? |
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| [16:10:13] | TazgodX: | its not xscreensaver |
| [16:10:33] | TazgodX: | and xset -dpms does not give any feedback, but does not disable screensaver |
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| [16:13:55] | flexy: | I have a box which uses Wake On Lan packets to wake up myth box (only one box, including front and backend) when there is a recording coming up. |
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| [16:14:52] | flexy: | But, when the myth box is woken up like this, mythwelcome/frontend allways assumes manual starting, even though backend assumes correctly auto started system |
| [16:15:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | flexy: why? Why not setup the RTC wakeup so the backend wakes itself up. |
| [16:15:40] | flexy: | resulting in system that cannot shutdown it self after recording without user exiting fe back to mythwelcome |
| [16:15:48] | J-e-f-f-A: | flexy: And why are you concerned about the frontend starting, since it's being woke up to record a program (which is a backend-only function btw) |
| [16:16:25] | flexy: | J-e-f-f-A: cause I have a wlan box doing it, it's allways on in any case. And like this I can use maemo tablet to wake up myth and control myth... |
| [16:16:55] | flexy: | J-e-f-f-A: because: resulting in system that cannot shutdown it self after recording without user exiting fe back to mythwelcome |
| [16:17:24] | flexy: | it should stay at mythwelcome screen, when auto started |
| [16:17:32] | flexy: | am I right? |
| [16:17:41] | clever: | maybe mythwelcome has to start after the backend |
| [16:17:53] | TUplink: | alright it worked once...... not its saying cat login to database |
| [16:17:54] | clever: | so it has the schedules and knows when the next recording is |
| [16:17:58] | TUplink: | cant* |
| [16:18:43] | J-e-f-f-A: | flexy: I dunno – I don't use mythwelcome. And I don't have mythfrontend startup at boot on my backend. (and my backend is on 24x7) – but my point is that myth has functionality built-in to it to support the RTC wakeup. |
| [16:18:57] | flexy: | clever: mythwelcome starts via startup scripts. it should stay at mythwelcome and NOT start frontend IF system is AUTO started to do a pre scheduled recording? |
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| [16:20:05] | clever: | flexy: but if mythwelcome starts too early, it wont know when the next recording is |
| [16:20:08] | flexy: | J-e-f-f-A: Yes, perhaps. but as I understood it, motherboard has to support the rtc boot method. And this system is fine with me. just the fact that it does not shutdown itself after recording |
| [16:20:15] | clever: | and wont know if its in 5minutes |
| [16:20:22] | clever: | so it will think you turned it on manualy |
| [16:20:54] | flexy: | clever: I have a script starting mythwelcome which first checks that backend is up and responding. starts mythwelcome after that. |
| [16:21:05] | flexy: | so that is not the case |
| [16:21:16] | clever: | but does it actualy give the backend a chance to run the scheduler? |
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| [16:21:32] | clever: | on my craptastic box, it can take 30–40 seconds |
| [16:22:05] | flexy: | clever: it waits for the http respond from one port I can't remember right now |
| [16:22:37] | TUplink: | it is saying DB Error (SaveSettingsOnHost query failure: ): Query was: No error type from QSelError? Strange... |
| [16:22:39] | flexy: | 6544 is the port |
| [16:22:43] | clever: | it would still respond if it wasnt done the first scheduling pass |
| [16:22:54] | clever: | mythbackend -v none -printsched |
| [16:23:09] | clever: | try running that before you start mythwelcome, feed it into a log file |
| [16:23:30] | flexy: | what does it do? |
| [16:23:48] | clever: | it will print out the schedule |
| [16:24:06] | clever: | so the log file should show everything it plans to record, at the instant you where starting mythwelcome |
| [16:24:30] | TazgodX: | i have no idea what this is using for screensavers |
| [16:24:34] | flexy: | but, how does the knowledge of the startup come to knowledge of mythfrontend/welcome? |
| [16:25:05] | clever: | flexy: it checks the schedule to see if a recording is starting within 5–10minutes of now |
| [16:25:19] | clever: | and if i'm right, the schedule is empty at that instant and it finds nothing |
| [16:25:42] | clever: | TazgodX: ps aux|grep screensaver |
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| [16:26:10] | flexy: | clever: frontend log shows: mythshutdown --startup returned: 1 |
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| [16:26:50] | flexy: | clever: mythshutdown --startup ; echo $? also shows 1 |
| [16:27:02] | clever: | -p/--startup (check startup. check will return 0 if automatic |
| [16:27:04] | clever: | 1 for manually) |
| [16:27:15] | clever: | so that program thinks you manualy started the system |
| [16:27:37] | flexy: | yes, but backend is still showing the auto startup in the logs after auto startup |
| [16:27:54] | clever: | check the timestamps, is the backend saying that after you checked? |
| [16:28:13] | clever: | what time did the backend claim automatic, and what time did it run mythshutdown --startup |
| [16:29:29] | flexy: | wait, checking... |
| [16:29:32] | TazgodX: | clever, its gnome-screensaver |
| [16:29:43] | clever: | TazgodX: i would just uninstall it |
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| [16:30:16] | TazgodX: | but i do want some sort of a screensaver, just not in the middle of my movies |
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| [16:30:47] | clever: | TazgodX: there is some power-saving built into the X server itself, to blank the screen and later turn it off |
| [16:32:36] | flexy: | clever: backends log says: 2009-05–27 18:41:14.568 AUTO-Startup assumed frontends log says: 2009-05–27 18:41:15.679 mythshutdown --startup returned: 1 |
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| [16:33:03] | flexy: | so, a full second in between, is that not enough? |
| [16:33:05] | clever: | thats cutting it a little close:S |
| [16:33:21] | clever: | maybe you could add a 'sleep 10' to your script before mythwelcome runs |
| [16:34:12] | flexy: | but why does the mythshutdown --startup return 1 now? It booted up almost an hour ago, I've not touched the frontend, just read logs with ssh |
| [16:34:28] | clever: | 1 means it was manualy started |
| [16:34:33] | flexy: | yes, I know |
| [16:34:36] | flexy: | but it was not |
| [16:34:43] | flexy: | and the backend knows that |
| [16:34:47] | flexy: | according to its logs |
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| [16:35:05] | flexy: | it was automatic boot to record a program |
| [16:35:10] | clever: | id have to read the code for mythshutdown to know whats going on in its crazy little head |
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| [16:35:57] | flexy: | I could read also, but it would not tell me anything useful |
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| [16:36:02] | flexy: | :) |
| [16:36:25] | clever: | it would tell you where it gets that info from |
| [16:36:48] | jams: | if anyone cares to see how they rank in this channel http://jmeyer.us/stats/ |
| [16:37:00] | flexy: | yes, but only if I could C or C++, I doubt that mythshutdown is made from bash scripts... :D |
| [16:37:34] | jams: | yes i know the op/kick/voice stats are broken |
| [16:37:35] | iamlindoro: | jams: Is that qualitative, or quantitative? ;) |
| [16:37:41] | clever: | jams: lol, #5! |
| [16:38:03] | jams: | certainly not qualitative |
| [16:38:04] | flexy: | clever: nope, I can't figure this out by myself. /usr/local/bin/mythshutdown: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86–64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, not stripped |
| [16:38:04] | clever: | and ive used :P 14k times! |
| [16:38:10] | laga: | jams: meh, laga and gardengnome out to be merged :) |
| [16:38:44] | laga: | "justinh is a very aggressive person. He/She attacked others 43 times." |
| [16:38:46] | laga: | rotfl |
| [16:38:52] | iamlindoro: | jams: Heh, apparently I'm the smileyest person in the hannel |
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| [16:38:56] | ** clever agrees ** | |
| [16:39:02] | wagnerrp: | well what about the multiple clones of iamlindoro_____________ |
| [16:39:03] | jams: | merging two is easy enough, i think the program has trouble with more then 2. |
| [16:39:04] | clever: | with laga |
| [16:39:40] | clever: | flexy: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . own/main.cpp |
| [16:39:58] | iamlindoro: | Sigh, gotta write 2000 lines to move into the #2 spot |
| [16:39:58] | kormoc: | ugh... I talk that much in here? You guys need to shut me up more :P |
| [16:40:04] | jams: | iamlindoro and iamlindoro_ have already been merged iamlindoro__ was left out. |
| [16:40:18] | iamlindoro: | Oooh, merge that one and I get into #2 |
| [16:40:27] | laga: | jams: parsing seems to be broken? eg for actions |
| [16:40:40] | jams: | yep |
| [16:40:43] | iamlindoro: | plus, puts me in striking distance of most verbose a-hole in channel |
| [16:40:58] | clever: | flexy: how is the wakeup time stored? |
| [16:40:59] | iamlindoro: | Title, not calling #1 an a-hole :) |
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| [16:41:07] | kormoc: | clever talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 668 times! |
| [16:41:07] | kormoc: | epic |
| [16:41:08] | jams: | laga- i would fix it but it's written in perl so I'm not going to touch it |
| [16:41:15] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: heheh |
| [16:41:35] | adamjseed: | hello, i was wondering if anyone coluld help me with an issue... |
| [16:41:37] | iamlindoro: | jams: I officially request that last merge to improve my standings |
| [16:41:42] | kormoc: | and I envy this guy's skillz, http://www.clarklittlephotography.com/ |
| [16:41:42] | laga: | jams: BURN IT WITH FIRE |
| [16:41:45] | iamlindoro: | jams: I'm willing to do dope testing |
| [16:41:49] | wagnerrp: | is the big numbers thing randomized stats? i dont see the talking to ones self one |
| [16:42:10] | jams: | wagnerrp- it's a static page |
| [16:42:16] | wagnerrp: | oh, its in 'other interesting numbers' |
| [16:46:00] | iamlindoro: | heh, justin has spoken over a million words, and that's just one of the two nicks |
| [16:46:17] | adamjseed: | has anyone ran accross "Failed to open card" when scanning for channels and could maybe point me in the right direction? |
| [16:46:38] | wagnerrp: | that kind of bothered me |
| [16:46:48] | wagnerrp: | i dont think ive ever been around when 'juski' has been talking |
| [16:47:21] | wagnerrp: | i see his nick at the top, and think 'wtf is juski' |
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| [16:48:40] | flexy: | clever: As I said, I cannot program other than with bash... it's shutdown script that sends the time as a cron job to the openwrt wlan AP box |
| [16:48:58] | wagnerrp: | if you can call bash programming |
| [16:49:09] | clever: | flexy: from what i just read, the proper shutdown program will store the 'wakeup time' into the database |
| [16:49:19] | clever: | and mythshutdown will try to read that when you use --startup |
| [16:49:53] | clever: | thats what MythshutdownWakeupTime appears to be for |
| [16:50:01] | iamlindoro: | adamjseed: Suggests that you either have the backend running or another process is using the DVB card... could also happen if you were doing something naughty like using the dvbloopback driver |
| [16:51:35] | adamjseed: | Hi, iamlindoro: i do have a cctv card with zoneminder is running on could that cause any issue? im quite new to linux so dont know really want is going on |
| [16:51:50] | wagnerrp: | in an odd turn of events, the woman at the bottom of the street is the mouse quiet, introverted person ive ever met |
| [16:52:02] | wagnerrp: | and currently has a bright red RX-8 parked in her driveway |
| [16:52:14] | wagnerrp: | s/mouse/most/ |
| [16:52:27] | iamlindoro: | adamjseed: Are you trying to scan with a digital card, or an analog one? If you are trying to scan with an analog one, I suggest reading the manual (as you shouldn't be) |
| [16:53:01] | iamlindoro: | If it's a digital card and you're getting that message, it's also possible you've not set up a video source and attached it to the card before attempting a scan |
| [16:53:21] | adamjseed: | iamlindoro: its a hauppage HD-S2 card |
| [16:53:26] | iamlindoro: | (which is to say, there's a reason all of mythtv-setup is numbered-- all the steps are required and they must be completed, properly, in order) |
| [16:53:36] | iamlindoro: | adamjseed: Myth has no S2API support |
| [16:53:39] | iamlindoro: | (yet) |
| [16:53:56] | adamjseed: | yes, however i heard that the standard S should work...? |
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| [16:54:17] | flexy: | clever: yes I have myth writing the required restart time in a file, which then gets saved as a cron at the openwrt box. |
| [16:54:31] | adamjseed: | i can use the card in kaffinee but as soon as i installed mythtv it stops both working... |
| [16:55:13] | flexy: | clever: so everything goes as it should. it's myth itself deciding when to wake up, it just is not bios waking it up, but the WOL packet... |
| [16:56:14] | flexy: | clever: and BE knows it's auto started, but that knowledge is not getting to mytwelcome/FE |
| [16:58:02] | flexy: | clever: and still, mythshutdown --startup ; echo $? gives 1, as it was manually started... |
| [17:02:35] | clever: | flexy: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/trunk/myth . . . ain.cpp#L679 |
| [17:02:45] | wagnerrp: | that sounds like a UPS truck outside |
| [17:02:52] | clever: | even if you dont know c++, the basics of it are similar to bash |
| [17:03:41] | adamjseed: | iamlindoro: are you saying that the HD-S2 card wont work on mythtv? |
| [17:04:39] | wagnerrp: | adamjseed: precisely |
| [17:04:47] | wagnerrp: | it is! it is a UPS truck outside |
| [17:04:59] | wombo: | What is in the UPS truck? |
| [17:05:05] | wagnerrp: | DVB-S and DVB-S2 are two different subsystems inside linux |
| [17:05:15] | wagnerrp: | mythtv needs to be updated to support S2 |
| [17:05:31] | adamjseed: | Will the card not be able to just run in DVB-S? |
| [17:05:44] | wagnerrp: | there are patches to do so, but those patches are outdated, and no longer work with the current development line |
| [17:05:57] | adamjseed: | Im sure that i have read that people have it working just not the s2 aspect |
| [17:06:06] | wagnerrp: | wombo: nothing... they left it at the front door |
| [17:08:50] | adamjseed: | wagnerrp: what are these patches you talk about? |
| [17:09:17] | wagnerrp: | patches are patches, what do you mean what am i talking about |
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| [17:12:06] | adamjseed: | wagnerrp: sorry im trying to make sense of all of this... from want i can tell there is some error with my firmware/drivers/mythtv setup that is causing this problem. i was sure that the card would work in mythtv using the dvb-s system but i just cant make sense of the error im getting |
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| [17:12:55] | wagnerrp: | ive never used DVB, so i have no experience with this |
| [17:13:34] | wagnerrp: | but from what i understand, DVB-S2 cards cannot use the DVB-S API, even if they can pick up DVB-S streams |
| [17:14:43] | wagnerrp: | i really wish Manus would put the MAC address somewhere on their networking equipment |
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| [17:15:49] | adamjseed: | Thanks wagnerrp, dont suppose you know of anyone who has experience with DVB? |
| [17:16:03] | wagnerrp: | likely any mythtv user in europe |
| [17:16:13] | wagnerrp: | or australia |
| [17:16:23] | wagnerrp: | or a country that uses DVB |
| [17:19:36] | TazgodX: | i take it there is no nice way to disable gnome-screensaver when xine is open? |
| [17:20:32] | sphery: | xine should do it |
| [17:20:58] | TazgodX: | it doesn't |
| [17:21:05] | TazgodX: | at least not that i can find any option for |
| [17:21:27] | flexy: | clever: it seems that the 15mins of wake up before first recording is hard coded? Should it not be the time the system is setup to wake up before the recording? That setting is somewhere in the setup menus (FE or mythtv-setup) and I've set it higher that 15min, to have a margin if I get a fsck at the boot for some reason (I'm using xfs for all media and ext3 for the rest of the system)... in order to not miss out the beginning o |
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| [17:22:29] | clever: | flexy: maybe your booting up too early thenm try making it boot within 15 minutes of the time it wants to wake up at |
| [17:22:45] | clever: | might also be helpfull to peek at the database to see what MythshutdownWakeupTime is set to |
| [17:22:53] | clever: | so we know what you need to be within 15 minutes of |
| [17:23:13] | clever: | actualy, we can just ctrl+f that file for MythshutdownWakeupTime |
| [17:23:13] | flexy: | clever: I'll check the database |
| [17:23:19] | sphery: | TazgodX: right-click, Settings|Setup, "gui" tab, "Screensaver reset interval(s)"--defaults to 10mins, maybe too long for your screensaver settings |
| [17:23:52] | flexy: | clever: ctrl+f? |
| [17:24:26] | clever: | flexy: to search main.cpp to find the code that sets that in the db |
| [17:24:52] | clever: | i'm thinking that if its set to wake 20minutes early, it may store the time in the db as 20 minutes early |
| [17:25:34] | TazgodX: | sphery, i just looked again, and its not there. i have the experience level at master of the known universe |
| [17:27:04] | flexy: | clever: ok, I'll check |
| [17:29:54] | flexy: | what table includes MythshutdownWakeupTime? |
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| [17:31:44] | laga: | settings, most likely |
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| [17:33:24] | mike3: | Hey, I'm looking for those screen captures of the newer release of MythTV again. |
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| [17:33:30] | mike3: | Anyone have the link? |
| [17:33:32] | sphery: | TazgodX: you have a version that uses xdg-screensaver, then, so you need to ensure you have xdg-screensaver installed |
| [17:33:42] | sphery: | (and working) |
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| [17:34:16] | sphery: | mike3: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_XML_Examples http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Demo_Theme http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/MythUI_Theme_Development |
| [17:34:22] | sphery: | see the common thread? |
| [17:34:43] | mike3: | thanks |
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| [17:35:07] | sphery: | (by that I mean, and search for mythui on google/archives/... to see others that people have posted) |
| [17:36:32] | flexy: | clever: it seems that I don't have that MythshutdownWakeupTime in my database. I'm using 0.21-fixes, might that be the issue? |
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| [17:38:29] | mike3: | sphery: is this out yet? |
| [17:39:08] | wagnerrp: | if by 'out', you mean available in trunk, sure |
| [17:39:21] | mike3: | so it's still in beta |
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| [17:39:30] | mike3: | what's the newest stable version? |
| [17:39:42] | wagnerrp: | no, its still in trunk |
| [17:39:52] | wagnerrp: | beta implies that it is in some kind of release form |
| [17:40:18] | mike3: | well in trunk doesn't that mean it still hasn't been released// |
| [17:40:19] | mike3: | ? |
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| [17:41:03] | wagnerrp: | release form means that it has a version number and optionally source/binary packages |
| [17:41:14] | wagnerrp: | the only thing trunk has is a subversion revision |
| [17:42:45] | mike3: | wagnerrp: which means? |
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| [17:42:54] | iamlindoro: | Which means it's not a release |
| [17:43:16] | iamlindoro: | Open source means the development code is available at all times, but only things which are tagged as releases are releases |
| [17:44:13] | iamlindoro: | everything else is in-progress, possibly/probably broken which any sane person who is not personally involved in writing code should not attempt to use in production |
| [17:44:36] | iamlindoro: | Plus, the UI core is there, the themes are not, so runnin trunk won't magically give you sparkly UI anyway |
| [17:45:19] | iamlindoro: | Unless you intend to write something sparkly yourself. There is *one* half-done MythUI theme that is publicly available, everything else is not yet available for download |
| [17:45:33] | iamlindoro: | making for a grand total of 0 completed MythUI themes |
| [17:45:37] | mike3: | :) |
| [17:45:39] | ** Dagmar pulls out a top hat and cane and does the "Don't run trunk" dance ** | |
| [17:45:42] | mike3: | Okay... |
| [17:45:53] | Dagmar: | Rat-ta-tat-ta-tat-tah... |
| [17:46:33] | Shadow__X: | heh |
| [17:46:37] | wagnerrp: | >-|o |
| [17:46:41] | wagnerrp: | >-/o |
| [17:46:46] | wagnerrp: | >-\o |
| [17:46:56] | wagnerrp: | |-|o |
| [17:47:22] | flexy: | I must have something wrong in my shutdown/wakeup scripts. I'll have to check them all... To get me started, what is the shutdown chain of myth when I exit FE and mythwelcome begins counting down? |
| [17:48:17] | mike3: | flexy: I used to cat it out to /proc/acpi/alarm |
| [17:48:32] | mike3: | Set the time format and have the computer shutdown and wakeup with the time that was outputted. |
| [17:48:35] | mike3: | worked great.. |
| [17:48:53] | mike3: | there was some information on this on the website.. |
| [17:50:33] | jams: | iamlindoro- found a way to consolidate all your aliases, you are now #2 |
| [17:50:51] | iamlindoro: | jams: Nice, when does the check arrive? ;) |
| [17:51:22] | iamlindoro: | ah, wait, I should use :) |
| [17:51:27] | iamlindoro: | just to keep my stranglehold on that smiley |
| [17:51:28] | flexy: | mike3: I want to use the WOL packets from the openwrt... for several reasons. for example, I can ssh to it, wake up the mythtv box and use mythweb to schedule recordings from 1000 miles away... |
| [17:51:32] | jams: | about 3 days after you send it to me. |
| [17:52:16] | jams: | actually you have both :) and ;) |
| [17:53:02] | iamlindoro: | What can I say, if there's one word people think of when they think of me, it's "happy" |
| [17:53:06] | iamlindoro: | ;) |
| [17:53:48] | jams: | hehe wonder if we should take a poll on that subject |
| [17:53:50] | mike3: | flexy: very easy to do |
| [17:53:58] | mike3: | flexy: I had this setup for a couple years. |
| [17:54:17] | iamlindoro: | jams: Whoah, whoah, I don't think we have to ruin a good thing with facts |
| [17:54:20] | mike3: | However, I ssh'd into a box that was up 24 hours and sent the WOL packets through that machine. |
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| [17:55:44] | jams: | the new webpage will be up shortly. Also made juski an alias for justinh. By a big margin he holds the #1 spot |
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| [17:56:36] | kormoc: | hnitsuj? |
| [17:56:40] | iamlindoro: | If you break it down by whose words are actually of any value, the stats would all change quite a bit :) |
| [17:56:45] | jams: | alright it's up |
| [17:56:45] | wagnerrp: | im really digging this ASUS board |
| [17:57:04] | wagnerrp: | its the little things, like a table in the manual listing possible IRQ assignments |
| [17:58:06] | iamlindoro: | I'm apparently the king of sending people to linuxtv.org too |
| [17:58:08] | Dagmar: | Dunno why they bothered putting that in there |
| [17:58:21] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, suckas, find your *own* capture cards |
| [17:58:30] | flexy: | mike3: I don't even have /proc/acpi/alarm |
| [17:58:40] | jams: | kormoc- it doesn't appear in the top 80, so it's probably not worth the effort to match that one. |
| [17:58:44] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: You and I both know no one would be getting sent to that site if we could stab people over IRC |
| [17:58:56] | Dagmar: | "Do your own research. *STAB*" |
| [17:58:58] | iamlindoro: | SOIP |
| [17:59:08] | Dagmar: | Stabbings Over IP? |
| [17:59:10] | iamlindoro: | yar |
| [17:59:14] | kormoc: | I'll back that RFC |
| [17:59:18] | Dagmar: | Hmm... There's an idea for an 4/1 RFC |
| [17:59:23] | wagnerrp: | wouldnt that be KOIP or something? |
| [17:59:29] | kormoc: | nah |
| [17:59:33] | wagnerrp: | POOIP |
| [17:59:36] | Dagmar: | Stabbings aren't necessarily fatal |
| [17:59:38] | kormoc: | KOIP isn't future proof |
| [17:59:41] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: GDIAFOIP? |
| [17:59:49] | wagnerrp: | pointy objects over IP |
| [17:59:51] | kormoc: | what happens when you get stabbed with a sword? |
| [18:00:02] | mike3: | flexy: look for a guide related to setting up this feature. Search for /proc/acpi/alarm mythtv via google. You should land somewhere related to this guide. I'm pretty sure the reason you don't have it is because you need to enable it in CMOS. It's another wakeup feature that allows the computer to wakeup based off of times of days. |
| [18:00:13] | mike3: | 'that's what alarm is, it writes directly to the cmos. |
| [18:00:16] | kormoc: | "Dude! I totally upgraded to a sword for my SOIP protocol!" |
| [18:00:20] | Dagmar: | kormoc: You learn to store your replicas on a wall *not* directly behind your bed |
| [18:00:27] | laga: | mike3: no, /proc/acpi/alarm is deprecated. use the rtc stuff instead |
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| [18:00:45] | kormoc: | Dagmar, swords not part of your night life? |
| [18:00:49] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: Would have thought you'd be all over GDIAFOIP |
| [18:01:01] | Dagmar: | kormoc: Not really |
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| [18:01:03] | kormoc: | iamlindoro, I still haven't figured it out |
| [18:01:18] | laga: | go die in a fire |
| [18:01:23] | iamlindoro: | kormoc: It's your favorite tell-off! |
| [18:01:23] | kormoc: | Wooties! |
| [18:01:24] | laga: | ;) |
| [18:01:32] | flexy: | mike3: ok |
| [18:01:35] | laga: | "go die in a fire of aids" is even moar awesome |
| [18:02:04] | flexy: | laga: rtc? |
| [18:02:12] | iamlindoro: | Real Time Clock |
| [18:02:21] | Dagmar: | Donut encourage the /b/ contingent |
| [18:02:43] | flexy: | ok, RTC, how does one use that? |
| [18:03:01] | laga: | flexy: wiki.mythtv.org has a howto |
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| [18:04:54] | flexy: | ok |
| [18:06:28] | mike3: | flexy: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/ACPI_Wakeup |
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| [18:08:04] | flexy: | mike3: reading it... :) |
| [18:08:18] | mike3: | flexy: okay dokay... |
| [18:08:25] | mike3: | i'm about to punch some of my co-workers in the face. |
| [18:08:26] | mike3: | :) |
| [18:11:17] | mike3: | it's sad to say but I just switched ovr to Vista Media Center. |
| [18:11:21] | mike3: | ;( |
| [18:11:52] | flexy: | Noooo, don't go to the Dark Side!!!! |
| [18:11:53] | mike3: | In time I'm going to jump back on the wagon with MythTV. I am going to look into gettting a case so I can turn the computer on via controller. |
| [18:14:26] | iamlindoro: | I always wonder about people who see the need to announce their switching away from myth in the myth channel |
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| [18:14:39] | iamlindoro: | It's like they *want* to be convinced not to. |
| [18:15:23] | iamlindoro: | Whereas most people will respond with "don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out" |
| [18:15:25] | flexy: | iamlindoro: it's just the lacking of selfconfidence announcing things like that |
| [18:15:31] | iamlindoro: | Ah, life |
| [18:16:13] | mike3: | The only reason I jumped on to the wagon with VMC is becuase of the UI (mythtv is updating) and the option to power on and off via remote from S3 sleep. I don't think MythTV can wake the computer out of S3 for a recording. |
| [18:16:30] | iamlindoro: | Maybe we should tell all those people how pretty they are, and how important they are to us, and how we would totally miss them at Christmastime |
| [18:16:53] | flexy: | lol |
| [18:17:01] | mike3: | iamlindoro: You should .. :) Actually in a shor twhile I'm going to put Myth back on. |
| [18:17:24] | mike3: | If I can figure out a way to get myth to bring the computer out of s3 mode for recording well that would be a big thing fo rme |
| [18:17:58] | iamlindoro: | Meh, if you don't like myth's UI, then write a theme, I can suspend and restore my box with the remote from with wake-on-USB |
| [18:18:17] | iamlindoro: | http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/7063231_gGk9H |
| [18:18:35] | iamlindoro: | Plenty of potential for people willing to do a little work rather than wait on people to do it for them |
| [18:18:43] | mike3: | iamlindoro: will it come out of sleep mode on it's own to record? |
| [18:18:59] | iamlindoro: | If properly set up, sure, myth will sleep and wake itself to record |
| [18:19:18] | mike3: | from sleep mode... realllllly... |
| [18:19:48] | laga: | if your bios can do that? or WOL |
| [18:20:32] | mike3: | iamlindoro: I need to see a guide on this... Because I don't know how MythTV is going to wake the computer by itself.. |
| [18:21:45] | J-e-f-f-A: | hehe... I'm in 5th place with nearly 6K ;-) 's... ;-) |
| [18:22:01] | meshe: | iirc it sets the wakeup time when it goes to sleep |
| [18:22:42] | wagnerrp: | mike2: its a function of ACPI, your motherboard has a timer built into it |
| [18:22:46] | mike3: | meshe: does the wake up features of the bios still even work when in suspend mode. I know Wake On Lan doesn't. |
| [18:23:07] | meshe: | i don't have it set up, but i've read the chatter on the mythtv-users mailing list about it |
| [18:23:09] | wagnerrp: | mike2: WOL probably doesnt work because you have it disabled |
| [18:23:15] | wagnerrp: | look at the man page for ethtool |
| [18:23:26] | mike3: | wagnerrp: I've been using wake on lan for 3 years via mythtv. |
| [18:23:35] | mike3: | But when in suspend mode it doesn't work. |
| [18:23:39] | mike3: | only when the computer is off |
| [18:23:48] | wagnerrp: | well then thats just a problem with your motherboard |
| [18:23:52] | wagnerrp: | poor implementation |
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| [18:24:46] | meshe: | all of my systems are 24/7/36(4|5) except for laptops |
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| [18:25:22] | wagnerrp: | s/(4|5)/(5|6)/ |
| [18:25:31] | meshe: | yeah, that too ;) |
| [18:26:02] | meshe: | but i have about a day of downtime a year, so.... |
| [18:26:10] | mike3: | wagnerrp: Well I may very well jump back on the wagon with Myth. I didn't fully understand ACPI wake features ntil swapping over to VMC. So I simply need a script that runs the wakeup RTC command and then not shutdown but a script to tell it to suspend in s3 is all ? |
| [18:26:31] | mike3: | Then like I have now I can just push the button on the remote to bring it back up... |
| [18:26:32] | J-e-f-f-A: | Sorry, clever, but this got me rolling: "clever talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 668 times!" ;-) |
| [18:28:00] | flexy: | in shutdown/wakeup options: "block shutdown before client connected"... should I have it checked or not? I'm running both FE and BE in the same machine, the system gets automatically woken for recordings (and starts mythwelcome) and should also shut down if not manually used after the startup and the recording is finished...? |
| [18:28:27] | mike3: | flexy: unchecked |
| [18:28:59] | flexy: | mike3: oh fuck. that must be the reason it did not shutdown automatically... |
| [18:29:20] | flexy: | thanks |
| [18:29:20] | kormoc: | language... |
| [18:29:41] | flexy: | kormoc: yes, english is not my native language... |
| [18:30:05] | flexy: | every once in a while stuff like this just happens... :) |
| [18:30:06] | wagnerrp: | he means watch the foul language |
| [18:30:07] | J-e-f-f-A: | flexy: he was talking about the swear word... |
| [18:30:15] | flexy: | oh |
| [18:30:15] | mike3: | flexy: Yep that would do it. |
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| [18:33:23] | julio: | hello everyone. |
| [18:34:48] | julio: | can anyone help me out.. I'm trying to use make DESTDIR= to install mythtv but it keeps installing to the prefix I gave during the ./configure |
| [18:35:20] | kormoc: | that's because myth doesn't honor DESTDIR, you need to rerun ./configure |
| [18:35:20] | julio: | can anyone tell me how to make mythtv install on what ever directory I want regardles of the ./configure --prefix |
| [18:35:41] | kormoc: | install it into a staging directory and then merge manually over onto /? |
| [18:37:43] | julio: | I was hooping not to do that.. but owell. |
| [18:38:21] | kormoc: | you could always fix up the make scripts to honor DISTDIR and submit it upstream |
| [18:38:59] | julio: | wish I would now how to do that.. :O) |
| [18:39:07] | julio: | know |
| [18:39:32] | kormoc: | Erm... if you don't, why are you attempting to do stuff that will break things? |
| [18:41:23] | jams: | maybe INSTALL_ROOT will work for you instead? |
| [18:42:44] | julio: | making an lzm file (squashfs) so I can use it on a live cd distro |
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| [18:43:47] | julio: | I try DESTBUILD= ROOT= prefix= none work |
| [18:45:40] | clever: | kormoc: the --prefix is compiled into a few places |
| [18:45:43] | flexy: | julio: configure it to install in to /tmp/yes and then make symbolic link to the place you want it to go every time? perhaps that'll do it? |
| [18:45:53] | clever: | so installing it to the staging area may confuse some parts |
| [18:46:04] | flexy: | ok |
| [18:46:13] | julio: | I'm trying that next flexy |
| [18:46:25] | flexy: | julio: according to clever, that won't work |
| [18:46:36] | clever: | it will somewhat work |
| [18:46:42] | clever: | with a symlink, it would work better |
| [18:46:49] | flexy: | julio: if I were you, I would just make a script to run configure with the options needed, every time... |
| [18:46:49] | clever: | aslong as the link stays there |
| [18:47:10] | kormoc: | clever, which is why all the distos that do staging builds (Fedora/CentOS/Mandrake/Gentoo/Etc) are all broken eh? |
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| [18:47:48] | clever: | kormoc: they probly use a more proper method like setting --prefix to /usr/ and then using INSTALL_DIR when doing make install |
| [18:48:07] | clever: | which tricks the makefile into installing somewhere else, without screwing up the hard-coded paths |
| [18:48:24] | kormoc: | clever, given I never said how to install to the staging area, what makes you think my instructions were broken? |
| [18:48:34] | clever: | wait, INSTALL_DIR is something else |
| [18:48:51] | clever: | kormoc: i though you where refering to ./configure --prefix=/tmp/fake_root/ |
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| [18:49:00] | clever: | then installing and packaging that up |
| [18:49:08] | kormoc: | I never said anything specific about how staging was done |
| [18:49:33] | kormoc: | you just assumed we were going to screw it up |
| [18:49:45] | clever: | lol |
| [18:50:13] | clever: | with the Makefiles i have, its trying to install to $(INSTALL_ROOT)/media/mainlv/root/8.04/bin/ |
| [18:50:26] | clever: | so INSTALL_ROOT should work |
| [18:50:30] | kormoc: | I don't think we care |
| [18:50:33] | julio: | well I'll try different things if not I'll just have to modify the Makefile |
| [18:50:58] | clever: | what i found agree's with what jams mentioned a while ago |
| [18:51:13] | julio: | didn't meant to start an argument.. |
| [18:51:33] | clever: | they allways argue with me and think i'm the idiot:P |
| [18:51:34] | kormoc: | it's not an argument |
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| [18:52:27] | julio: | I wonder why the developers decided not to honor DISTDIR |
| [18:52:48] | julio: | DESTDIR |
| [18:53:11] | flexy: | propably because configure does it allready... |
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| [18:53:15] | kormoc: | julio, we do have code generated paths in places, they need to know the installed location of resources |
| [18:53:17] | clever: | it looks more like a problem with qmake |
| [18:53:33] | clever: | all the makefiles are made by qmake |
| [18:54:19] | clever: | qmake is using INSTALL_ROOT instead of DESTDIR |
| [18:54:23] | Dagmar: | Huh? |
| [18:54:28] | Dagmar: | Since when does Qt not honor destdir |
| [18:54:44] | clever: | let me read the makefile again to see if its doing what it seems |
| [18:55:04] | Dagmar: | Maybe 4 doesn't. 3 definitely does. |
| [18:55:05] | clever: | the makefile is setting DESTDIR to '' and never using it for anything |
| [18:55:14] | Dagmar: | No shit, really? |
| [18:55:16] | Dagmar: | That's _normal_ |
| [18:55:17] | clever: | 4.4.0 here |
| [18:55:28] | Dagmar: | Now if it's _unsetting_ DESTDIR then you have a problem |
| [18:55:39] | clever: | isnt DESTDIR supposed to be part of the path that it copies files to? |
| [18:55:44] | Dagmar: | Yes, it is. |
| [18:55:53] | clever: | and its not mentioned anywhere else in the file |
| [18:55:55] | Dagmar: | During the install phase DESTDIR is used to specify an alternate root directory. |
| [18:56:08] | clever: | nothing actualy attempts to use that variable |
| [18:56:27] | clever: | grep DESTDIR Makefile only returns 1 line |
| [18:56:32] | Dagmar: | i.e., if you're making a package to install elsewhere and you want the files in /tmp/foo/ instead of / you do `DESTDIR=/tmp/foo make install` or some variation |
| [18:56:50] | Dagmar: | clever: In the top level makefile sure, there's more than just the one. |
| [18:56:51] | kormoc: | ugh |
| [18:56:53] | kormoc: | I just realized |
| [18:56:55] | clever: | from what i'm reading, you have to INSTALL_ROOT=/tmp/foo make install |
| [18:56:57] | kormoc: | my ignore list is broken |
| [18:57:15] | Dagmar: | Doh yeah |
| [18:57:17] | clever: | DESTDIR isnt in the top-level one at all |
| [18:57:18] | Dagmar: | My mistake |
| [18:57:28] | Dagmar: | I didnt' scroll up far enough in my build script |
| [18:57:29] | Dagmar: | PKG_SOURCEURL='http://ftp.silug.org/mirrors/ftp.trolltech.co . . . ION.tar.bz2' |
| [18:57:29] | Dagmar: | PKG_DESTDIRVAR=INSTALL_ROOT |
| [18:58:15] | Dagmar: | I just saw the makeinstall() invocation towards the end and didn't remember I'd set the hook to chaneg DESTDIR to something else until you mentioned the variable by name |
| [18:58:32] | clever: | ahh:) |
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| [18:59:19] | clever: | if i was automating it for many packages, id just set every common variable thats used for that purpose |
| [18:59:26] | clever: | so you wont have to detect which one is right |
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| [19:00:27] | Dagmar: | That would be a massive mistake. |
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| [19:00:35] | Dagmar: | Do NOT set variables you don't need to set. |
| [19:00:45] | TUplink: | is there a way to change the OSD used but keep the theme? |
| [19:00:54] | Dagmar: | Think of it like taking a handful of pieces of sharp and twisty metal into your clothes dryer, and then climbing inside. |
| [19:01:01] | clever: | lol |
| [19:01:08] | jams: | TUplink- yes it's under the playback settings |
| [19:01:20] | clever: | i was thinking of setting 2–3 variables that have the identical purpose |
| [19:01:30] | Dagmar: | You've no idea what variables might have been put to use inside the build environment, and whether or not what you're doing with them is what the author was doing with them |
| [19:01:34] | Dagmar: | Don't. |
| [19:01:47] | Dagmar: | Find the one or two that are actually used by that package and set those. |
| [19:01:55] | clever: | DESTDIR sounds like a common name that is for the destination of the install |
| [19:01:59] | Dagmar: | You will *not* find a panacea that you can just apply to every package. |
| [19:02:05] | Dagmar: | It is. |
| [19:02:15] | clever: | and how much harm might i cause if i set that for every package? |
| [19:02:19] | Dagmar: | For like 99.9% of the GNU-ish package put together with autotools, that's exactly what it does. |
| [19:02:30] | Dagmar: | It's the .1% that'll blow your willie off when you're not looking. |
| [19:02:34] | clever: | lol |
| [19:02:47] | Dagmar: | So, remember the rule for risk vs. reward |
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| [19:03:09] | clever: | yeah, i'll keep a spare willie for when DESTDIR and INSTALL_ROOT set at once do blow up |
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| [19:03:22] | Dagmar: | It might be a 1% chance to destroy your willie, but the damage is absolutely unacceptable (very high number) |
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| [19:03:41] | Dagmar: | I'm telling you do not set the one you don't need to set |
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| [19:03:49] | TUplink: | what is the interactive tv option what dose it do? |
| [19:04:03] | Dagmar: | I have _hundreds_ of packages not only built, but scripted to build without me looking at them. |
| [19:04:09] | Dagmar: | I put these together myself. |
| [19:04:14] | Dagmar: | Don't do it. |
| [19:04:31] | Dagmar: | TUplink: Whateve the broadcaster wants to do |
| [19:04:59] | clever: | Dagmar: sounds like you recreated gentoo |
| [19:05:05] | Dagmar: | Not quite. |
| [19:05:12] | Dagmar: | My optimizations are a hell of a lot more conservative. |
| [19:05:16] | adamjseed: | is there anyone good with DVB? and able to try and help me with an issue |
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| [19:05:38] | Dagmar: | I jsut got tired of manually building each package, or making a change to the way one thing (like compressing man pages) happens and having to edit 200 scripts. |
| [19:05:39] | clever: | Dagmar: i need to optimize my gentoo X server, it seems to suck half the cpu power when using Xv |
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| [19:06:00] | Dagmar: | clever: That would be a sign you need a hardware-accellerated video card. |
| [19:06:06] | Dagmar: | funroll loops won't help you |
| [19:06:20] | clever: | i chroot into /media/mainlv/nfsroot/ and run the ubuntu X server there, and i get a massive performance boost |
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| [19:06:30] | clever: | the hardware can handle it |
| [19:06:34] | clever: | its a software problem |
| [19:06:39] | Dagmar: | Uh huh |
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| [19:06:53] | clever: | this laptop used to actualy boot ubuntu over nfs and never had the problem |
| [19:07:07] | clever: | the gentoo X server isnt configured the same way |
| [19:07:43] | laga: | funroll loops sounds like a cereal |
| [19:09:11] | galorin: | chocolate coated funroll loops are what my kids eat for breakfast |
| [19:09:31] | clever: | 1280x720_AAC_x264 A: 8.2 V: 7.1 A-V: 1.078 ct: 0.021 0/ 0 120% 8% 2.0% 160 0 90% |
| [19:09:45] | clever: | brb, chrooting |
| [19:13:46] | clever: | A: 8.4 V: 8.4 A-V: 0.000 ct: 0.028 0/ 0 43% 23% 1.3% 11 0 90% |
| [19:13:59] | clever: | Dagmar: identical video file, same hardware, same mplayer binary |
| [19:14:04] | clever: | all i did was switch the X server |
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| [19:14:29] | laga: | is that intel video hardware? |
| [19:14:33] | clever: | ati |
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| [19:14:46] | clever: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02) |
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| [19:15:20] | laga: | i dunno, sometimes i just wanna come by, delete all your distro installs and the backups. untangle that mess of nfs roots. install debian stable. |
| [19:15:28] | clever: | i stored a copy of xvinfo under both, and it seems gentoo actualy has an entire extra section |
| [19:15:50] | clever: | ubuntu is better then gentoo as this instant |
| [19:15:53] | laga: | because your boxen must be so unclean it makes me cringe |
| [19:16:21] | clever: | laga: i'm still running the gentoo kernel |
| [19:16:24] | clever: | with the ubuntu x server |
| [19:16:34] | ** laga dies a little bit inside ** | |
| [19:16:49] | clever: | lol |
| [19:17:01] | clever: | this laptop has trouble powering on, and a chroot is faster then rebooting |
| [19:17:28] | laga: | i used to be like that – mess with stuff all day long. now i don't have the time anymore and pray to $deity that things stay stable |
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| [19:17:48] | laga: | which means i'm disappointed by $deity a lot these days because i'm using intel video hardware |
| [19:18:16] | clever: | i closed MSN on windows last night, and it bluescreened, microshit.com claims it was the intel drivers |
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| [19:18:21] | dustybin: | ive found a fantastic 22" monitor, its a top notic eIPS panel and its only £200!!! Dell Ultrasharp 2209WA 22" |
| [19:18:21] | clever: | intel video |
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| [19:20:38] | clever: | another odity of gentoo, is that xterms cant beep |
| [19:20:49] | clever: | it seems to have magicaly fixed itself now that i'm in the chroot |
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| [19:28:37] | J-e-f-f-A: | dustybin: Sounds pretty good... I picked up an Acer 21.6" for $179 (USD) about 5 or 6 months ago on sale at a local store. Nice monitor for my bedroom. ;-) |
| [19:29:37] | clever: | just verified that its the gentoo xterm and not xorg |
| [19:29:51] | clever: | opened an xterm from the gentoo root and it cant beep |
| [19:30:35] | dustybin: | im im the process of building a mac clone using a gigabyte mobo |
| [19:31:00] | dustybin: | its not as hard as you think :D |
| [19:31:16] | laga: | clever: why dont you just kill one of the chroots? sounds like a lot less trouble to me |
| [19:32:05] | ** Pontiac wonders if he should setup his `playback` machine to be the machine that does the transcoding instead of the machine that does the recording. ** | |
| [19:32:13] | Pontiac: | I LOVE the flexibility of MythTV. |
| [19:32:32] | clever: | laga: my ethernet card is toast, so i cant network boot into that ubuntu anymore |
| [19:32:38] | clever: | i have to boot from the harddrive |
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| [19:41:37] | sphery: | Pontiac: IMHO, you should set up your machine to not transcode. :) |
| [19:41:47] | Pontiac: | Why? |
| [19:42:22] | clever: | something about the energy you use to compress will cost more then the disk space you save? |
| [19:42:24] | sphery: | it's a waste |
| [19:42:34] | sphery: | yeah, HDD's are cheap |
| [19:42:51] | Pontiac: | True, I guess. |
| [19:43:04] | Pontiac: | (Not about the energy thing) |
| [19:43:07] | Dagmar: | UNless you're intending to archive those recordings for an eternity, you're generally better just adding another disk and letting the things expire/self-delete |
| [19:43:08] | clever: | the only thing i can see, is that mpeg4 may get more quality out of every unit of bitrate |
| [19:43:16] | clever: | when compared to the pvr150's mpeg2 |
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| [19:43:36] | clever: | but then you would still be using more energy |
| [19:44:26] | clever: | ive only got a single internal SATA port, so adding a second 1tb wont be easy right now |
| [19:44:31] | ** gagbro wonders how to measure the power consumption from a transcoding ** | |
| [19:44:34] | sphery: | and /if/ you're intending to archive those recordings for an eternity, you might as well keep full-quality recordings (possibly only running a lossless transcode to remove commercials) |
| [19:44:47] | sphery: | of course, that assumes that keeping recordings is legal where you live |
| [19:44:55] | Pontiac: | These are `hardly` full quality. The card is a couple of years old. |
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| [19:44:57] | sphery: | (i.e. keeping recordings is not time shifting) |
| [19:45:03] | clever: | gagbro: its fairly simple to measure the power usage at 100% cpu usage and when idle |
| [19:45:08] | clever: | and time how long a transcode takes |
| [19:45:25] | clever: | the difference between 100% and idle, is the actual load |
| [19:45:26] | Pontiac: | I don't plan on keeping any of these, really. I'm `mostly` just capturing the once-daily shows, like Daily Planet and such. |
| [19:45:28] | sphery: | gagbro: Kill-A-Watt works great |
| [19:45:35] | Dagmar: | The age of the card doesn't matter. |
| [19:46:03] | sphery: | 1TB HDD for $74.99 with free shipping http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145233 , use promo code EMCLSNT27 |
| [19:46:04] | Dagmar: | Pontiac: Yeah then just make sure the machine has a Tb or two of disk and leave 'em like the tuner recorded 'em |
| [19:46:05] | clever: | ive also heard something about the power usage of the capture card itself, when somebody was talking about a cardless master |
| [19:46:14] | gagbro: | if I really cared about power, I wouldn't have a 4TB LVM raid running 24x7 just to take acre of my television needs |
| [19:46:31] | Pontiac: | 4tb to watch TV? When do you find the time?? heh |
| [19:46:31] | gagbro: | acre/care |
| [19:46:43] | Pontiac: | clever> The card is taking juice just sitting in the machine. |
| [19:47:10] | clever: | Pontiac: yeah, there was talk on the mailing list about seting up the capture box with cards to turn off when not in use |
| [19:47:11] | Dagmar: | clever: I would suggest you disregard things said by people who aren't using a kill-a-watt |
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| [19:47:15] | clever: | and put all the drives in a seperate system |
| [19:47:40] | Dagmar: | ...and even then ignore anything where they're not citing specific numbers and specific test requirements. |
| [19:47:40] | gagbro: | well, I've never deleted anything I recorded for 2 years, and motorsports eat a lot of disc |
| [19:47:48] | sphery: | gagbro: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/371460#371460 --running SETI@home is costing me $1.50/computer per month because of power (and that's with my new power-efficient 80 PLUS PSU's--was $2/mo with the old PSU's) |
| [19:47:50] | Pontiac: | ACK! Gotta love this. This transcode I did took an 800meg file and upped it to a 2.2gb show for a 1 hour show. {chuckle} Awesome. |
| [19:48:22] | Dagmar: | Pontiac: This is because transcoding does exactly what you tell it to, especially if what you told it to do was dumb |
| [19:48:26] | clever: | Dagmar: yeah, i dont remember the actual numbers, but it makes some sense |
| [19:48:33] | gagbro: | 41.5 a month, then I have even bigger trouble with the transcoding prize argument |
| [19:48:35] | Dagmar: | There's *lots* of ways to screw up transcoding instructions and double the size of hte file. |
| [19:48:38] | Pontiac: | Dagmar> I have a sneaky suspicion I told it to do something dumb. |
| [19:48:39] | Dagmar: | SCrewing around with interlacing is one of them |
| [19:48:47] | gagbro: | 4/$ |
| [19:49:16] | Dagmar: | The bitch is that you have to know *exactly* what kind of file you've got and *exactly* what kind of file you want to turn it into before you can make informed decisions about transcoding, and this isn't easy |
| [19:49:20] | Dagmar: | It's a massive pain. |
| [19:49:31] | gagbro: | and yes I have seti set to eat one of the quad cpu's |
| [19:49:36] | Pontiac: | More work than required for the stuff I'm recording. ;) |
| [19:49:39] | sphery: | Pontiac: probably specified a higher bitrate than the original |
| [19:49:59] | Pontiac: | sphery> Or I told it to do a frame conversion when it was already basically a frame record. heh |
| [19:50:29] | gagbro: | when I want to save power, I shut down the ps3. that's a true power muncher |
| [19:50:29] | sphery: | well, the bitrate (and only bitrate) determines file size |
| [19:50:32] | Dagmar: | Folks turning a 480i recording into a 480p recording without thinking things through is another stellar shortcut to doubling file size |
| [19:50:44] | sphery: | (ok, technically, bitrate and length of recording, but...) |
| [19:51:47] | clever: | Dagmar: cant find the thread i was refering to |
| [19:52:03] | clever: | it was several months old, so its lost in the haystack now |
| [19:52:23] | clever: | it was related to having each slave wake/sleep on its own as needed |
| [19:52:28] | clever: | instead of all at once |
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| [19:55:20] | sphery: | clever: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/372145#372145 |
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| [19:55:39] | sphery: | just need to make sure you index all the straws/needles in the haystack and it's easy to find :) |
| [19:55:42] | ** Pontiac wonders why Apache likes to just drop transfers on the LAN. ** | |
| [19:56:06] | clever: | sphery: i think i marked it as important in my email client, but i have no idea how to search for those |
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| [19:57:05] | clever: | yeah that looks like the right thread:) |
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| [20:06:21] | Pontiac: | *takes a shotgun to mythbackend* |
| [20:06:39] | ** clever gives Pontiac some -9mm shells ** | |
| [20:07:29] | Pontiac: | *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/mythbackend: malloc(): memory corruption (fast): 0xb2679607 *** |
| [20:07:42] | clever: | ahh:S |
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| [20:19:59] | kormoc: | 9mm shotgun shells? |
| [20:20:00] | ** kormoc blinks ** | |
| [20:20:05] | kormoc: | that's a tiny shotgun... |
| [20:21:46] | kormoc: | looks like a 9mm would be a 70 gauge... |
| [20:22:14] | laga: | all hail to the mighty ccache |
| [20:22:38] | ** laga is slightly unhappy about mythtv just exit()ing when encountering pulseaudio ** | |
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| [20:27:32] | clever: | then uninstall pulse! |
| [20:27:59] | laga: | go chroot something |
| [20:28:07] | clever: | i idi |
| [20:28:20] | clever: | now im washing my hair :P |
| [20:28:24] | ** gbee is slightly unhappy about Ubuntu shipping with pulseaudio installed/enabled by default ** | |
| [20:28:32] | gbee: | :p |
| [20:28:47] | laga: | gbee: i'm running arch and i had to actually install pulse |
| [20:28:57] | ** laga not convinced yet :( ** | |
| [20:30:00] | clever: | then hide pulase |
| [20:31:38] | gbee: | I thought Daniel had gone with a more elegant solution, at least where it was possible to have Myth disable Pulse |
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| [20:32:26] | laga: | gbee: i have built mythtv with pulse support now |
| [20:32:45] | laga: | not sure if that actually adds pulse support or just disables the breakage |
| [20:32:55] | adamjseed: | is anyone good with DVB around? and can help me with a config problem? |
| [20:33:17] | sphery: | pulse support just allows Myth to attempt to disable pulse on startup |
| [20:33:32] | sphery: | without pulse support, if pulse is running, mfe gives an error and exits |
| [20:33:41] | laga: | ah, right |
| [20:33:58] | sphery: | so, it's more properly "pulse-disabling support" |
| [20:34:10] | sphery: | or, "pulse-obliterating support" :) |
| [20:34:11] | laga: | 2009-05–27 22:28:00.343 AudioPulseUtil: Suspend Success |
| [20:34:13] | jams: | laga your using archlinux ? |
| [20:34:20] | laga: | jams: yes |
| [20:34:23] | sphery: | yeah, what's up with that? |
| [20:34:27] | sphery: | defector |
| [20:34:41] | iamlindoro: | He's starting mytharchbuntdora |
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| [20:34:43] | jams: | kind of what i was thinking |
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| [20:34:46] | laga: | heh |
| [20:34:56] | laga: | server is still running ubuntu :) |
| [20:35:25] | laga: | my laptop gave me lots of trouble, so i tried arch. quite like it now |
| [20:35:40] | laga: | the hardware trouble turned out to be hardware trouble. :) |
| [20:35:52] | jams: | good move on your part |
| [20:36:05] | Pontiac: | Does anyone know how to, or even if its possible, to change the "Recorded Shows" page to look similar to "Upcoming Recordings"? |
| [20:36:10] | Pontiac: | In MythWeb that is. |
| [20:36:48] | sphery: | you mean no preview images? |
| [20:37:05] | laga: | so, if mythtv is now using alsa and disabling pulseaudio, and alsa is using pulseaudio.. why am i getting sound? |
| [20:37:09] | laga: | ;) |
| [20:37:29] | jams: | because you have oss installed? |
| [20:37:40] | Pontiac: | That included, yes. I basically want to show the title, air date, channel, length, file size, all in one line. "Delete" and "Delete + Rerecord" could be put in one line. |
| [20:37:55] | Pontiac: | This is all coded in PHP, correct? |
| [20:38:37] | gbee: | laga: as I understand it the fix disables the alsa redirect to pulse, so it's using alsa directly |
| [20:38:43] | sphery: | Pontiac: you can disable previews--think it's either just a setting or some line you comment out--but the rest would require, at minimum, new CSS, but likely code modifications |
| [20:38:53] | sphery: | and, yeah, php |
| [20:39:03] | sphery: | because kormoc is too lazy to convert it to python ;) |
| [20:39:14] | Pontiac: | Not really afraid of code change. |
| [20:39:19] | Pontiac: | Just have to get the feel of what its doing. |
| [20:39:21] | sphery: | (he's not lazy, but some user demanded that he convert it to python :) |
| [20:39:40] | laga: | hum |
| [20:39:41] | Pontiac: | No one has written the php2python script yet? |
| [20:39:43] | sphery: | if you can make it so that it's "skinnable", I'm sure a lot of people would love it |
| [20:39:54] | gbee: | disabling previews in mythweb is under the mythweb settings |
| [20:40:00] | sphery: | talk to kormoc and/or xris for more information on themes/skins ideas |
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| [20:40:34] | sphery: | gbee: cool... I was thinking it was made easier when we had the whole preview generation maxes out backend forever problem, but didn't remember. |
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| [20:41:36] | gbee: | only knew that since kormoc mentioned it the other night |
| [20:42:38] | kormoc: | sphery, nah, we rewrote -trunk's pull method to be a lot different, and only request a max of 2 pixmaps at a time rather then a billion |
| [20:43:03] | sphery: | cool |
| [20:43:33] | sphery: | but I meant way back before 0.21 when the backend/HTTP server was having an issue |
| [20:44:51] | Pontiac: | hmm.. This seems as though it'll be simple enough. Just modify the appropriate files in the tmpl/{theme} directory. |
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| [20:47:58] | Pontiac: | *sigh* Wish I had a quad monitor setup. It'd be so useful right about now. heh |
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| [21:13:09] | flexy: | I'm thinking about mythshutdown -x, what does the -t mean? |
| [21:13:32] | flexy: | Usage of mythshutdown only shows -x/--safeshutdown (equal to -c -t -q. check shutdown possible, set scheduled wakeup and shutdown) |
| [21:13:41] | flexy: | but no explanation to -t |
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| [21:14:42] | iamlindoro: | huh? |
| [21:14:52] | iamlindoro: | mythshutdown --help show all the usage, -t included |
| [21:15:02] | flexy: | forget, found it in the source |
| [21:15:08] | sphery: | -t/--setscheduledwakeup (sets the wakeup time to the next scheduled recording) |
| [21:15:13] | sphery: | as iamlindoro in --help |
| [21:15:24] | flexy: | iamlindoro: no, atleast at 0.21-fixes |
| [21:15:45] | iamlindoro: | sphery: Assume you are quoting fixes? |
| [21:16:15] | flexy: | damn, sorry, my eyes are crossed by this time |
| [21:16:20] | sphery: | yeah, that's -fixes |
| [21:16:27] | sphery: | and it's in help there |
| [21:16:29] | ** iamlindoro narrows his eyes and frowns ** | |
| [21:16:34] | flexy: | it's there, I just looked at it alphabetically wrong... |
| [21:16:52] | flexy: | 8I |
| [21:17:02] | sphery: | yeah, it's not sorted alphabetically, but--presumably--by importance |
| [21:17:09] | wagnerrp: | odd... the 8200 on this board shows up as two different video cards |
| [21:17:18] | Dagmar: | Weeeird |
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| [21:26:02] | gbee: | very weird |
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| [21:29:48] | Pontiac: | Got it. Formatted the "recorded" page so it looks similar to the upcoming recordings. |
| [21:30:17] | Pontiac: | Well coded. |
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| [21:34:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | hi im trying to position my ATSC antenna |
| [21:34:07] | darkdrgn2k3: | which number on FE mon should i be watching |
| [21:34:18] | darkdrgn2k3: | signal snr ber or unc |
| [21:38:52] | Dibblah: | Yes. |
| [21:39:19] | Dibblah: | It depends on your card. Some return valid everything, others only do select counters. |
| [21:39:47] | darkdrgn2k3: | its the hvr... |
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| [21:39:57] | darkdrgn2k3: | signal and snr seem to be the same' |
| [21:40:21] | Dibblah: | UNC should always be 0, BER means an error occurred but was corrected, SNR is the level over the noise, signal is the level of the signal. |
| [21:40:35] | Dibblah: | As I said, some cards report different things. |
| [21:40:53] | Dibblah: | So you want the lowest BER, if that's what your card reports. |
| [21:41:37] | Pontiac: | [5:34p] <darkdrgn2k3> signal snr ber or unc |
| [21:41:37] | Pontiac: | [5:38p] <+Dibblah> Yes. |
| [21:41:48] | Pontiac: | hehe.. I never NOT laugh at that kinda answer to that kinda question. |
| [21:42:25] | Dibblah: | It's only because it's not possible to answer it. |
| [21:42:53] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dibblah: yeh, maybe tahts why i keep asking, i can never get a 1/2 decent answer... guess there just isnt one |
| [21:43:00] | darkdrgn2k3: | how do you point a satalite... signal finder |
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| [21:43:04] | darkdrgn2k3: | how do you point an attenta... luck |
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| [21:43:15] | Dibblah: | darkdrgn2k3: I just gave you one. |
| [21:43:49] | kormoc: | darkdrgn2k3, http://www.antennaweb.org is how you point an antenna |
| [21:45:04] | darkdrgn2k3: | oo lewest ber.. sory :-P missed that (dam phone) |
| [21:45:35] | Dibblah: | However, it will change in different weather / traffic / ... |
| [21:45:53] | darkdrgn2k3: | Dibblah: yeh i noticed my new condo is an RF black hole |
| [21:46:04] | darkdrgn2k3: | cnt figure out why but cell, wimax even FM transmissions are weak |
| [21:46:52] | gbee: | lead paint |
| [21:47:12] | darkdrgn2k3: | gbee: but if i dont use lead pain.... superman can see right into my unit! |
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| [21:49:19] | flexy: | mythshutdown is giving me 16 as output status (locked), is it supposed to be locked while frontend is in use? |
| [21:49:59] | mphill: | kormoc: that is a cool website |
| [21:50:38] | flexy: | I've tried to unlock it with mythshutdown -u, to no avail... |
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| [22:15:19] | Dibblah: | On the plus side, at least we don't get trac hate mail. http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10134 |
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| [22:17:39] | flexy: | is there some counter for the mythshutdown --lock ? I had to do a loop with unlocks, to get the unlock result showing? |
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| [22:24:27] | sphery: | Dibblah: that ticket is incredible |
| [22:24:48] | Pontiac: | hmm.. Whats a `decent` bit rate recording for MP4? Default is 2200, but I have a distinct feeling thats a bit high. |
| [22:26:54] | sphery: | depends on the source/quality |
| [22:27:12] | sphery: | not to mention the resolution/frame rate |
| [22:27:34] | sphery: | for SDTV from analog sources, 2200 is probably not a bad choice |
| [22:27:52] | Pontiac: | Tough question, eh? Hmm.. Ok, well, does the front end config represent 2200 in BPS or KBPS? |
| [22:28:32] | sphery: | if you transcode HDTV (clean, digital picture) to quarter size (i.e.. 640x360) or so, you can go down to 1000kbps without problem |
| [22:28:34] | Dagmar: | Have you really thought that question through? |
| [22:28:39] | sphery: | kbps |
| [22:28:59] | iamlindoro: | Let's just all agree that transcoding sucks and disk is cheap |
| [22:29:05] | sphery: | talk about stuffing the ballot box: http://lives.sourceforge.net/ |
| [22:29:19] | sphery: | iamlindoro: +1 |
| [22:30:53] | Pontiac: | I'm just playing with the system. :P I'm wondering if the initial record can be done in MP4 instead of RTJPG or whatever it is. |
| [22:32:39] | sphery: | best bet is probably high bitrate, then, since you'll have a (low-quality) analog signal and a (low-quality) analog frame grabber... Will probably require fewer resources (less compression) and will handle noise better. |
| [22:33:12] | sphery: | er, strike that... best bet is probably to buy a used PVR-x50 or a new HVR-1600 and don't waste time with a frame grabber :) |
| [22:33:22] | Pontiac: | heh |
| [22:33:31] | Pontiac: | No PCIE. |
| [22:33:45] | sphery: | PVR-x50 is PCI |
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| [22:33:52] | Pontiac: | Hmm... |
| [22:34:27] | sphery: | search on e-bay shows one for sale, buy it now, $19.99 |
| [22:34:40] | sphery: | and a bunch of others at various prices up to about $40 |
| [22:34:41] | Dagmar: | Yep. |
| [22:34:47] | sphery: | (that's a search for PVR-150) |
| [22:35:02] | Dagmar: | Note: The PVR-150 is what you want. The PVR-250 is the same thing, but it's the older model which is now obsolete. |
| [22:35:15] | Dagmar: | The PVR-350 is more-or-less the same as the 150 but with a slightly useless video output. |
| [22:35:25] | Dagmar: | The PVR-500 is a two-tuner version of the PVR-150. |
| [22:35:33] | Dagmar: | All o' dems is NTSC |
| [22:35:44] | sphery: | PVR-500 (2 PVR-150's on one board/one slot) is about $50-$80, so 2 PVR-150's is probably cheaper) |
| [22:36:24] | Dagmar: | That's kinda negotiable unless you've already got a coax splitter and a couple of short pieces of coax. |
| [22:36:29] | Dagmar: | The PVR-500 splits the signal internally. |
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| [22:37:48] | clever: | Dagmar: enless you count the cost of the pci slots your going to run out of |
| [22:38:05] | Dagmar: | You're the only person around with hardware so cheap it only has one. |
| [22:38:29] | clever: | actualy, i have more, but you may allready be using alot of them |
| [22:41:03] | RyeBrye: | clever, you have pci slots? aren't those pretty new tech? |
| [22:41:04] | RyeBrye: | ;) |
| [22:41:31] | clever: | no pci-e slots at all |
| [22:41:54] | clever: | a few ISA still linger |
| [22:43:03] | clever: | the nice thing with my celeron is that EVERYTHING is onboard, so its nothing but empty pci slots |
| [22:43:13] | clever: | if i got winblows off there, i could pack it with 4 tuners |
| [22:43:23] | clever: | 8 if i used pvr500's |
| [22:43:32] | Dagmar: | Sure you could |
| [22:43:57] | laga: | but why? |
| [22:43:59] | clever: | but a digital capture card would be better, then i could get 8 'channels' per pci slot |
| [22:44:14] | clever: | laga: only 1 tuner is painfull, theres some shows that dont repeat and allways conflict |
| [22:44:52] | laga: | yes |
| [22:44:54] | laga: | but eight? |
| [22:45:16] | sphery: | Pontiac: btw, it seems the HVR-1600 is PCI, too |
| [22:45:26] | clever: | then you can allmost match a digital card:P |
| [22:45:37] | sphery: | and it has the huge benefit that when you get fed up with ugly analog, you can switch to digital with no hardware changes :) |
| [22:46:14] | clever: | ive been trying to get one of the HD STB's with firewire ports |
| [22:46:47] | Pontiac: | I `CAN` go to Digital. I'm just worried that when I do switch that Rogers gives me ZERO channels. |
| [22:47:35] | clever: | even if i did get othing over the firewire, i could still capture it with the pvr150 and use the firewire for channel changing |
| [22:47:46] | clever: | it would still be better then the ir blaster that drops digits randomly |
| [22:47:52] | sphery: | so an HVR-1600 is a great way to find out--if the digital side doesn't work, the analog side works great |
| [22:48:03] | clever: | sphery: analog HD? |
| [22:48:15] | sphery: | if the digital works, you can get a bunch more digital cards (i.e. HVR-1250 or something--though that one may be PCIe) |
| [22:48:21] | sphery: | no, analog SDTV |
| [22:48:27] | clever: | ah |
| [22:48:52] | sphery: | AIUI, it's basically a PVR-150 and an single HDTV tuner on one board |
| [22:48:59] | clever: | ahh:) |
| [22:49:18] | clever: | was thinking of something more like a analog encoder for an hd signal |
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| [22:49:23] | sphery: | though, IIRC, you can only use one at a time (i.e. no recording digital /and/ analog simultaneously) |
| [22:49:25] | clever: | component |
| [22:49:36] | sphery: | yeah, that's the HD-PVR |
| [22:49:46] | sphery: | TTBOMK, that's the only one Hauppauge makes |
| [22:56:11] | Pontiac: | 1600 for $50cdn... then $30 for shipping. yeesh. |
| [22:56:59] | Pontiac: | Or I go to the local shop and pay a LITTLE more. |
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| [23:01:35] | Pontiac: | hmm.. I dunno about either now. Both seem to have 125 channel for cable services, yet, my digital tuner box has support up to 999 channels... So I think I'm going to have to look at something else. Unless I'm missing something. |
| [23:03:04] | Pontiac: | But does that mean that I can assign all 125 available chanels on the tuner to a particular frequency the digital signal works on? |
| [23:03:56] | iamlindoro: | You need to break yourself of the one channel = one program assumption |
| [23:04:25] | iamlindoro: | digital television is multiplexed, with many of what you think of as channels packages within a frequency channel |
| [23:04:36] | iamlindoro: | s/packages/packaged/ |
| [23:05:29] | iamlindoro: | A channel width of bandwidth is 6 Mhz, or 38 or so Megabits per second of bitrate |
| [23:05:42] | iamlindoro: | an SDTV channel is often 2–3 Mbit/s |
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| [23:05:55] | iamlindoro: | allowing them to cram many channels into a single frequency width |
| [23:06:57] | Pontiac: | Alright, I get that many channels work on a single frequency, so how does it work that we pull single channel info out of the frequency? |
| [23:07:38] | clever: | you tune the tuner to a single multiplex, and then demux a single channel out of the whole stream |
| [23:07:40] | iamlindoro: | You tune the full frequency and filter the PIDs to get the audio and video streams for the desired program |
| [23:07:55] | clever: | though some programs can extract multiple channels at once, from the same multiplex |
| [23:09:33] | Pontiac: | hmm.. I think I'm going to run over to Futureslop and see what kinda price range they have there. No purchase, but at least have a look. |
| [23:11:27] | Pontiac: | On top of that, they have pretty much a no-questions-asked-return policy, so I can hook it up to my cable services here and see if it works with my digital cable services. |
| [23:11:50] | clever: | nice :) |
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| [23:49:49] | wagnerrp: | damnit... i have bugs in my monitor again |
| [23:50:42] | iamlindoro: | it's warm in there |
| [23:50:44] | iamlindoro: | they love that |
| [23:51:12] | wagnerrp: | little red spider mite... they probably just came right through the screen window |
| [23:52:03] | kormoc: | if there's one red spider mite, there's a billion |
| [23:52:13] | wagnerrp: | 'son of a bitch, i have a dead pixel... wait... its moving!' |
| [23:53:11] | wagnerrp: | it seems to be behind the LCD |
| [23:53:17] | clever: | i found a realy big 'dead pixel' in my basement last night |
| [23:53:26] | clever: | looked like a beatle of some kind |
| [23:53:51] | wagnerrp: | so, it wasnt in your monitor then? |
| [23:54:18] | wagnerrp: | or you have a big blob of a shadow on screen, and a big hole in the back of your monitor? |
| [23:54:33] | clever: | it was just a bug on the floor that time |
| [23:54:41] | clever: | but ive seen a few ants on the lcd before |
| [23:54:55] | wagnerrp: | if its not *inside* your monitor, it doesnt count |
| [23:55:20] | wagnerrp: | i dont go looking at the floor and say 'hey, a dead pixel!' |
| [23:55:22] | clever: | ive only taken 1 lcd panel appart completely, the rest are too sealed up for anything to get into |
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| [23:55:39] | wagnerrp: | people would say 'hey, a crazy person!' |
| [23:56:02] | clever: | the only lcd i could ever get appart down to the layers of glass and filters, was the 640x480 one on the toshiba |
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| [23:56:17] | djtansey: | I have set max transcode instances to 2, but mythtv still only runs one transcode at a time. How can I get it to run two transcode processes at once? |
| [23:56:21] | wagnerrp: | this is a completely untouched monitor |
| [23:56:29] | wagnerrp: | and yet still somehow unsealed |
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| [23:56:50] | clever: | djtansey: it may be 1 transcode and 1 commflag |
| [23:57:10] | clever: | and if the flagging job for that recording is active, it wont transcode |
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| [23:57:54] | clever: | djtansey: if that doesnt help, stop the backend and run mythbackend -v jobqueue |
| [23:58:40] | djtansey: | clever: can you please elaborate? I started encoding one dvd, then inserted another. so there's no chance that the same source files were in use. I don't know what commflag or what a "flagging job is," unfortunately. |
| [23:58:54] | wagnerrp: | so youre using mtd in mythvideo? |
| [23:58:57] | clever: | dvd encoding is a totaly seperate thing |
| [23:59:03] | djtansey: | I will remember -v jobqueue, though. will be useful. |
| [23:59:10] | wagnerrp: | completely unrelated to the myth jobqueue |
| [23:59:19] | djtansey: | clever: sorry — ripping/transcoding one dvd. |
| [23:59:25] | clever: | mtd and mythvideo are kinda hacked in and dont use the proper job queue system |
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