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Tuesday, May 26th, 2009, 00:21 UTC

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Ponty:

I just sat at my machine to see whats planned to be recorded, I see stuff in my "Recording Schedules", but I see NOTHING in my Upcoming Recodings. All DISPLAY check boxes are working just fine. What might be going on/

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Ponty:

Nevermind.. I'm gonna try and redo my entire schedule.

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Ponty:

hmm.. even rescheduling everything doesn't show anything for upcoming recordings.

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jblack:

Is there a setting in myth that could cause mythvideo and mythtv to play at a higher pitch?

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heyheyhey:

is lirc always have a delay?

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jblack:

a delay?

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heyheyhey:

yeah when i use irexec

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heyheyhey:

there a 2 second delay

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jblack:

clicking buttons on the remote feels nearly instant to me, up in human space. certainly not 2 seconds

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jblack:

however, I don't use irexec. I use the builtin stuff.

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** Ponty grumbles at this machine. **

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Ponty:

Its getting ever so close to a complete reload.

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Ponty:

Problem is finding a blank CD. heh

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mchou:

blank cd

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mchou:

pls

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mchou:

usb thumb drive

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mchou:

nobody burns cd for installs any more

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** chainsawbike uses a re-writable one :P **

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mchou:

rewrite or not, usb thumb drive is still the way to go

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mchou:

dont even need a cd drive installed as long as you can boot off usb

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Ponty:

I don't think this particular box can boot off USB... but.. I do have a gigger that I could try.

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Ponty:

Anyone got a decent walk through to do this?

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mchou:

consult the docs for your distro

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mchou:

they'll tell you how

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Ponty:

TBQH, don't care what distro, just so long Myth works. ;)

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Ponty:

Although I am partial to Ubuntu. I'll check that out.

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sphery:

Weird. Never seen that one before. Did a commercial skip, the OSD came up and said how far it was skipping. The picture froze, and the audio started playing at super-fast speed. Completely reproducible, too. All due to a corrupt portion of the recording (which, surprisingly enough, is in the commercials).

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mchou:

it happens

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mchou:

dont be too concerned

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mchou:

if the recording is really messed up just record again

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Ponty:

... when threats backfire....

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Ponty:

Me: "Ok, here's the deal boys... You're either going to sit down nice and quietly, with no playing, and watch TV, or you're going to bed."...

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Ponty:

Boys: "Ok."

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Ponty:

20 minutes later... they're still watching TV quietly.

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Ponty:

I really wanted an excuse to put 'em to bed. {chuckle}

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xris:

interesting thing about comcast having all of these SCTE stations is that I'm suddenly getting all of my non-HD digital channels in clearQAM

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mchou:

xris: nah

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mchou:

xris: that aint new

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mchou:

xris: it's been happening for a while here

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jpabq0:

I tried to use mythjobqueue to run mythcommflag on my FE, but if it starts running mythcommflag right after a show starts recording, it always stops immediately and just says it found 1 commercial break. I have to re-queue the job to get it to finish.

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mchou:

in fact, since at least feburary

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mchou:

when the first dtv transition was supposed to occur

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mchou:

anyway, sctescan works way better than the native myth scan

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mchou:

since it's based on the dvb_scan, which has always worked for me

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xris:

mchou: but you have to actually know how to get the channels. they don't show up in a normal scan because mythtv doesn' tknow how to extract the channum info from them

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xris:

sctescan works because it's pulling the scte data instead of whatever the normal thing is.

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mchou:

xris: dvb_scan would have told you the channels (earlier)

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xris:

mythtv will get it soon. daniel just has to work around the whole twin-babies thing.

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mchou:

xris: not quite. sctescan is based on dvb_scan code base

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mchou:

xris: and like I said, that util has ALWAYS worked

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xris:

dunno. the scte data has only been available in-band since the dtv transition

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xris:

*some* channel info has been in-band, but not all of it.

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mchou:

xris: you only thought you didn't get those channels since mythtv scan was borked (fo a very long time)

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mchou:

for*

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xris:

that and I hadn't done a channel scan in about 9 months.

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mchou:

yup, that too

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xris:

anyway, daniel said he'd be adding the scte scanning stuff to myth's channel scan soon.

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mchou:

also, there is no need to go thru the whole us-centr-freq table

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xris:

there is if you want it to grab the atsc channels, too

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xris:

or so say the docs.

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mchou:

nah

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xris:

myth's scanner picks up the channels, it just doesn't know how to decode the scte meta data, so it detects WAY more channels than actually exist.

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mchou:

you can skip th least the first 13 frequencies

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xris:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Comcast_Users_And_scte65scan

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mchou:

the atsc channels psip is NOT in the first 13 frequencies

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xris:

anyway, this makes the hdhomerun MUCH more useful now.

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mchou:

what?

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mchou:

it works on any qam tuner

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xris:

my qam tuner is an hdhomerun

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mchou:

dvb_scan doesnt even work on HDHR :)

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xris:

everything else comes from firewire

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mchou:

ok

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mchou:

but sctescan works on any qam tuner as well as hdhr

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xris:

so it says

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mchou:

in fact I think the wiki is misleading

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xris:

so fix it.

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mchou:

you dont even need to get a DTA from comcast

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xris:

no, you don't.

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xris:

you *do* need some form of digital box, though.

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mchou:

nope

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xris:

read the whole page.

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mchou:

no digital box required

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xris:

unless you know how to get the VCT_ID from the stream, you need a comcast box.

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mchou:

I have no digital box

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mchou:

the default scan get ALL VCT_IDs

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xris:

I have 12 channel lineups coming over the scte data. only one is dorrect.

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xris:

correct

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xris:

right. gets all of them. you only want one. and you want the correct one.

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mchou:

I have many too, but not 12

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mchou:

the correct one is easy enough to discern with mplayer or xine

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xris:

I have about 12. most only have minor differences (local channels, etc), but a couple only have a few channels. still nice to get the correct one.

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xris:

easier to detect by just copying the data from the cable box.

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mchou:

no digital box required

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mchou:

I dunno

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mchou:

seems wasteful to make people make a trip down to comcast office

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xris:

not required. just makes things easier.

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xris:

mchou: hence the list of vct ids in the wiki page

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troldrik:

http://cbaoth.dk/~cbaoth/vdpaufail.log I'm having issues with VDPAU and OLDER x264 files: 2009-05–26 02:59:36.407 VDPAU Error: Error at util-vdpau.cpp:1726 (#0, UNKNOWN)

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mchou:

anyway, this scan is a significant improvement over the internal myth scan

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mchou:

internal myth scan has always been next to useless

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troldrik:

mplayer plays the same file just fine with vdpau.

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troldrik:

selecting no interlacing filters doesn't change anything.

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troldrik:

except removing the vdpau error message. :/

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ultra-:

hi

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ultra-:

does anybody here code for squeezebox?

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mchou:

doubtful

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elmojo:

troldrik: that ERROR message is harmless

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elmojo:

it is triggered when both temporal and spatial deinterlacing are set to false

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elmojo:

are you using the latest nvidia driver?

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troldrik:

180.60

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elmojo:

what type of issue are you having with your older x264 files?

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troldrik:

Geforce 9400 IGP if that matters.

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elmojo:

playback of some H.264 files can be improved if you increase the number of VDPAU buffers in the mythtv source

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elmojo:

are you compiling from source? trunk or JYA sources?

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troldrik:

trunk

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troldrik:

sores

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troldrik:

It's dropping frames by the tonnes, so the hw isn't getting enough data to decode without serious artifacting.

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troldrik:

2009-05–26 03:50:25.349 GetNextFreeFrame() unable to lock frame 100 times. Discarding Frames.

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troldrik:

get a lot of these.

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elmojo:

you can play around with libs/libmythtv/videoout_xv.cpp and increase NUM_VDPAU_BUFFERS

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elmojo:

it should be set to 17

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troldrik:

What's the maximum?

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elmojo:

not sure

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elmojo:

IIRC some videos needed 21

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elmojo:

the max should depend on you hardware.. probably memory bounded

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elmojo:

give it a shot... if that doesn't help then you might want to file a bug report with the nvidia devs over at nvnews.net forums

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elmojo:

they have an upload repository for videos that don't playback properly

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troldrik:

well.. mplayer plays them file.

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troldrik:

so isn't a myth issue?

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troldrik:

fine*

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elmojo:

if mplayer plays back fine then changing the number of buffers should help

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troldrik:

k, I'll try it in a few mins.

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Ponty:

Ya know, i really hate being in the newb position. Just wanna say thanks to all those that have helped. ... even those who have just bluntly told me to RTFM. ;)

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elmojo:

i believe that when a newer FFMPEG is sync'd back into myth that it will be possible to dynamically allocate the proper number of buffers depending on the video

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phunyguy:

yay

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phunyguy:

bathroom fan is in the server closet

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phunyguy:

now I can shut the door.

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Ponty:

.... wouldn't that make the bathroom your server room?

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mchou:

and take a dump?

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phunyguy:

ok.

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phunyguy:

"bathroom fan" does NOT mean its in the bathroom.

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phunyguy:

:)

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phunyguy:

i tell you what, I will never install a fan on existing construction again.

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mchou:

lol

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phunyguy:

especially with that cellulose insulation crap.

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phunyguy:

its in my lungs.

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phunyguy:

not to mention i have to do some patchwork on the ceiling... i didnt have the hole the exact right size so when i pushed the unit in, it chipped a crap-ton of drywall.

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phunyguy:

sticks out from under the cover

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phunyguy:

had to install additional framing... etc..

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phunyguy:

never again.

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mchou:

bah

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mchou:

get professionals

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mchou:

your description certainly didn not sound professional

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phunyguy:

i am not a pro by any means.

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Ponty:

To put a fan in a closet with a closed door, yer gonna pay someone huge coin? Meh. Much more entertaining to do it yourself.

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phunyguy:

but it works.,

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phunyguy:

yes Ponty, thank you.

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phunyguy:

still have to mount the switchbox

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phunyguy:

the on/off switch is dangling right now

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phunyguy:

just gonna screw the box on outside the drywall

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phunyguy:

not cutting the drywall again

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Ponty:

At least tack the wires and make sure they're safe.

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phunyguy:

oh they are good

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phunyguy:

not much slack

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Ponty:

Hate those mornings when ya go to turn the light on and ya end up frying yourself.

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phunyguy:

zzzztt AH!

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phunyguy:

naah i am pretty electrically inclined.

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Ponty:

Sure as hell wake ya up pretty quickly... only to knock ya dead in some cases.

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phunyguy:

had the sense to get the wiring right the first time

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Ponty:

Good move.

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phunyguy:

used the existing switch for the light portion of it, then tapped into the supply line for that switch to add the other switch...

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Ponty:

I'd love to put dimmers in this place, but, all normally used lighting is high-efficiency bulbs. They don't like partial electricity.

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phunyguy:

yeah man

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phunyguy:

only thing stopping me as well.

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phunyguy:

hmm

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phunyguy:

still a tad warm in that closet

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phunyguy:

may need to vent the door

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Ponty:

I was just gonna say, you're just making a vacuum in the room without any sort of ventilation.

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Ponty:

Vacuums increase heat.

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phunyguy:

well there is 1/4 inch between door and floor

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phunyguy:

still may need more flow

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Ponty:

What kinda CFMs that `bathroom fan` have?

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phunyguy:

70

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phunyguy:

was on sale

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phunyguy:

and I don't have the "coin" for anything else right now

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phunyguy:

yep a vent will do it

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phunyguy:

i cracked the door about 1/2" open and it cooled off

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Ponty:

When I buy a house, its going to be all drywall.. THIS place is all freak'n concrete walls... With the new house, I'll be setting up my `server` equipment in the basement so I don't have to hear it all day. heh

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phunyguy:

not even 1/2"

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phunyguy:

yeah i dont have the luxery of a basement

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phunyguy:

Georgia

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phunyguy:

i have a garage – but that stays about 130 degrees all summer

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phunyguy:

sun beats down on the door during the hottest part of the day

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Ponty:

... at least you've got a garage.

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Ponty:

I have the largest parking spot in this complex, but, I'm under a tree, and its leaking all over my car.

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phunyguy:

lol.

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phunyguy:

yeah

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phunyguy:

worked hard to get this house

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phunyguy:

i was ther

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phunyguy:

e

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phunyguy:

lived in various apartments for years with the military

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Ponty:

I'd LOVE to build it ground up, or at least, prior to the walls going up.

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phunyguy:

virginia, chicago, san diego, florida, etc

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Ponty:

And now I'm REALLY starting to get pissy with these CDs. 2 bad burns.

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phunyguy:

we bought this place as a wood frame

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phunyguy:

didnt get under contract in time to get what i needed accomplished though

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phunyguy:

the day we signed, the drywall was up

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phunyguy:

blast it

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phunyguy:

:)

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phunyguy:

at least we got to pick the colors

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Ponty:

Cat 5 or 6 to every room in the house, with a 24 or 48port GigE switch in the basement.

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phunyguy:

i would have had those guys install the fan and my ethernet cable

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Ponty:

*sigh* Oh to dream.

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phunyguy:

i got a 24 port now with cat5e all over the house via baseboard and carpet

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phunyguy:

i dread going in the attic

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phunyguy:

it was bad enough today

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phunyguy:

musta been 150 up there

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phunyguy:

been up there a few times already, had to run speaker wire for the theater... (vaulted ceilings in the living room :( )

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Ponty:

I've got 2 8-ports and 1 4-port. The 4 port is on my entertainment center next to the router, modem and two Mythbuntu boxes... Then theres my wifes desk, then mine.

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phunyguy:

got a 1U rack server laying on its side in the closet, with another small crappy tower in there as a torrent box...

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phunyguy:

network printer is in there

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phunyguy:

switch is in there

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phunyguy:

that rack server is so darn hot

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Ponty:

I've seriously been thinking about getting a real server, but my desktop is doing just fine hosting 3 VMs.

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Ponty:

I think my DVD burner is starting to go. :[

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phunyguy:

lol

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phunyguy:

you sound like me

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phunyguy:

did the VM thing for a while

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phunyguy:

then just put everything as a service on the 1U

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phunyguy:

the 1U was a snag from work

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phunyguy:

they were sending it to be recycled...

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phunyguy:

dual Xeon 3.0GHz

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phunyguy:

3 gigs of ram

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phunyguy:

2 36 gig SCSI

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Ponty:

Nice.

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phunyguy:

i was like "WTF?!?"

[02:28:00]

phunyguy:

"GIMME."

[02:28:03]

phunyguy:

"...ok.."

[02:28:10]

Ponty:

I keep asking when they're going to sell server hardware at work, but, they always "REPURPOSE" them. grrr.

[02:28:17]

phunyguy:

yeah

[02:28:26]

phunyguy:

this will come to an end for me too

[02:28:34]

phunyguy:

they are looking at "leasing"

[02:28:41]

Ponty:

oye.

[02:28:45]

phunyguy:

so we wont have to worry about hardware anymore

[02:29:01]

Ponty:

Then ya gotta worry about tech support.

[02:29:02]

squidly:

phunyguy: lol nice

[02:30:13]

wagnerrp:

sandboxing is one thing, but i dont understand the big VM kick

[02:30:24]

phunyguy:

well wagner

[02:30:37]

phunyguy:

its nice to be able to migrate to new hardware by moving VMs

[02:30:48]

phunyguy:

plus if a server gets hacked...

[02:30:50]

wagnerrp:

so you sandbox it

[02:30:50]

phunyguy:

thats just one.

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[02:31:03]

phunyguy:

never sandboxed something...

[02:31:08]

phunyguy:

sounds interesting...

[02:31:11]

phunyguy:

if you like sand..

[02:31:13]

Ponty:

Which is basically copying an image file from one hardware server, to another, then mounting that image, and poof, your machine is back.

[02:31:47]

phunyguy:

is that easier or harder than a VirtualBox install? Or VMWare....

[02:31:50]

phunyguy:

whatever your preference

[02:32:07]

wagnerrp:

sandboxes are just the minimal set of files and binaries necessary to run your application

[02:32:19]

wagnerrp:

you can have just those files, all the way up to a full system install

[02:32:22]

wagnerrp:

its your preference

[02:32:30]

wagnerrp:

chroot is a basic form of sandboxing

[02:32:58]

phunyguy:

server just rebooted

[02:33:02]

phunyguy:

not good...

[02:33:07]

phunyguy:

need to find out why

[02:33:08]

wagnerrp:

more advanced forms are freebsd's jails and linux's vservers

[02:33:12]

Ponty:

*beats head on desk*

[02:33:17]

Ponty:

So I got a bunch of bad CDs. GRRR.

[02:33:20]

phunyguy:

another frisbee?

[02:33:25]

phunyguy:

lawl.

[02:33:25]

wagnerrp:

where you have memory and network partitioning as well

[02:33:25]

Ponty:

Three.

[02:33:43]

Ponty:

I'm ALMOST to the point of freak'n setting up a damned PXE box for this.

[02:33:52]

mchou:

Ponty: I keep on telling ya. USB flash

[02:33:54]

Ponty:

*OR* its a bad ISO.

[02:34:03]

Ponty:

mchou> Can't. machine doesn't boot from a USB stick.

[02:34:05]

Ponty:

Tried that.

[02:34:12]

wagnerrp:

must be some ancient machine

[02:34:19]

Ponty:

533mhz FSB. Yes.

[02:34:26]

wagnerrp:

anything built within the last 5 years or so should be able to boot off USB

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mchou:

sounds like clever

[02:34:41]

Ponty:

I think this one is JUST outside that.

[02:35:47]

Ponty:

Is there a way I can reset the MySQL database and have it rebuild everything?

[02:36:06]

wagnerrp:

drop table mythconverg;

[02:36:35]

Ponty:

The drop I know.. but how to rebuild?

[02:36:38]

troldrik:

elmojo: It's BETTER with 21 as in less artifacty.

[02:36:44]

Ponty:

RTFM, lemme guess? {chuckle}

[02:36:45]

troldrik:

run mythtv-setup

[02:36:51]

wagnerrp:

mysql -uroot -p < mc.sql

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Ponty:

Perfect. I'll try that.

[02:37:10]

troldrik:

elmojo: but it's still dropping.

[02:38:05]

troldrik:

trying 25.

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troldrik:

25 buffers appear to work.

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** Ponty 's got a distinct feeling this is a config issue more than a database issue. **

[02:43:12]

Ponty:

My program listing comes up, the list of programs I want to record show up, but nothing shows up for whats to be recorded.

[02:43:31]

Ponty:

Two of the three are ordeals that talk to the database... WTF is preventing it from recording?

[02:45:41]

Ponty:

It also shows everything that I've previously recorded... so THATS working.

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elmojo:

troldrik: glad it helped

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troldrik:

thanks for the help, any idea what time frame for the auto-pick ffmpeg-sync is?

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subquake:

anyone here able to help me find the get_dvb_firmware script? I can't find it on the wiki...

[03:00:02]

subquake:

no one alive now? all must be busy...

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[03:01:52]

Ponty:

Found the answer to my problem: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/295670

[03:02:15]

Ponty:

Last post. Corrected, and now I have my listing.

[03:02:20]

Ponty:

how goofy is that? heh

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subquake:

wow, that takes some digging there, ponty

[03:08:52]

subquake:

anyone alive in here?

[03:10:03]

phunyguy:

no

[03:10:05]

phunyguy:

all dead.

[03:10:12]

subquake:

looks like it

[03:10:12]

phunyguy:

come back tomorrow.

[03:10:16]

subquake:

'=P

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sphery:

subquake: /usr/src/linux-`uname -r`/Documentation/dvb/get_dvb_firmware

[03:18:47]

Ponty:

subquake> It was to the point where i was thinking of reloading the database ground up... but it didn't make sense to do so since I had everything else working properly.

[03:19:00]

Ponty:

Just a logic issue in the code. No biggie. Now I know its there, I know how to get around it. :]

[03:19:14]

sphery:

actually, it's a configuration issue, right?

[03:20:03]

Ponty:

Well, yes... It is. But its not realizing that the IP I put in is actually itself. Its checking two different bits of information to validate that its the master back end or not.

[03:20:11]

sphery:

you had more than one system and used 127.0.0.1 somewhere or your mixed 127.0.0.1 and a real IP in a config (you should use either 127.0.0.1 /only/--therefore, only for single combined frontend/backend--or should never use 127.0.0.1 anywhere)

[03:21:00]

Ponty:

I actually don't recall changing the IP on the main machine.

[03:21:05]

Ponty:

Or on the master back end.

[03:21:18]

sphery:

well, it's working as designed and the requirements for configuration say that 127.0.0.1 can only be used with a single combined frontend/backend system

[03:21:21]

Ponty:

I DID setup another front end, so I'm wondering if thats what caused the glitch.

[03:21:43]

sphery:

likely was

[03:22:03]

sphery:

really, IMHO, even on a single combined frontend/backend, you shouldn't ever use 127.0.0.1 for exactly that reason

[03:22:21]

sphery:

when you later add more boxes, things will break if you don't remember to change your config

[03:22:45]

Ponty:

I'll probably go change that later, once I get my schedules back into play. heh

[03:22:47]

sphery:

of course, that's not something that a first-time Myth user is likely to realize

[03:23:14]

sphery:

anyway, it's good that you figured it out

[03:23:17]

Ponty:

<- First time myth user gaining traction and experience. :)

[03:23:20]

sphery:

that's often the worst part of the whole thing

[03:23:21]

wagnerrp:

maybe have mythtv-setup automatically detect and use the first network configs it finds if there are no settings already set

[03:23:43]

Ponty:

eth comes before lo.

[03:24:22]

wagnerrp:

well you cant rely on eth0 existing

[03:24:25]

Ponty:

Then the problem with DHCP and assigning IPs, etc. Myself, I have these two machines (New front end and old back end) assigned IPs via MAC level in the DHCP config.

[03:24:49]

wagnerrp:

if you have backends that can change IP, your system is already FUBARd

[03:25:02]

Ponty:

No, you can't, and I guess you can run Myth on a machine without a network connection I suppose.

[03:25:10]

elmojo:

troldrick: the devs are aware of this issue and it's up to them on if and when that capability gets implemented

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Ponty:

YES... Thank the programming gods for backups.

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Ponty:

After I dropped my programming schedule thinking THAT was the goof, had to revert, and not lose anything.

[03:31:18]

Ponty:

umm.. or not.

[03:31:53]

phunyguy:

lawl.

[03:31:54]

phunyguy:

pwnt

[03:32:14]

Ponty:

Well, the schedule is there... It just didn't set them up for upcoming recordings for some reason.

[03:32:17]

phunyguy:

this fan was a good idea.

[03:32:30]

phunyguy:

not to mention the cats litterbox is in this room...

[03:32:37]

phunyguy:

i just put it by the closet door...

[03:32:40]

phunyguy:

no more stink.

[03:32:42]

Ponty:

That'll help just in itself.

[03:32:53]

phunyguy:

awesome :P

[03:32:55]

Ponty:

I have two cats, and any crevice they can find, they'll piss in.

[03:33:03]

phunyguy:

sounds like my old cat

[03:33:09]

phunyguy:

gave her up because of it

[03:33:17]

phunyguy:

the retard would piss on her pillow and sleep in her litter.

[03:33:21]

phunyguy:

:-/

[03:33:26]

Ponty:

So far, my bed, kids bed, closet, basement, dogs papers... Middle of the living room.

[03:33:35]

phunyguy:

lol

[03:33:37]

phunyguy:

yeah

[03:33:38]

Ponty:

Would LOVE to get rid of them.. but they're not exactly mine.

[03:33:50]

phunyguy:

aww so you are obligated

[03:33:51]

Ponty:

Same with the dog. She's out of my good graces.

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[03:34:05]

Ponty:

No, I've got a wife and inlaws that'd kill me. heh

[03:34:05]

phunyguy:

we got one cat that abolutely rules.

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phunyguy:

}s

[03:34:14]

phunyguy:

+s*

[03:34:27]

phunyguy:

he uses his litter, doesnt do his claws, etc

[03:34:33]

phunyguy:

never seen him puke

[03:34:39]

phunyguy:

nor stepped in any

[03:34:47]

phunyguy:

absolutely awesome

[03:35:01]

phunyguy:

hes a tuxedo cat

[03:35:05]

phunyguy:

wife named him Jake

[03:35:13]

phunyguy:

I call him Tux (see if you can figure out why)

[03:35:21]

phunyguy:

:D

[03:35:57]

Ponty:

Don't get me started on the puking.... *evil eyes the cats, knowing full well they're both in my spot on my bed*

[03:36:03]

phunyguy:

Ponty> No, I've got a wife and inlaws that'd kill me. heh <--- obligated...

[03:36:18]

Ponty:

heh. No. Enjoy life and my kids too much. ;)

[03:36:21]

Ponty:

Its called strategy.

[03:36:26]

phunyguy:

lol

[03:36:30]

phunyguy:

aka "ammo"

[03:36:38]

phunyguy:

I TAKE CARE OF YOUR RETARDED CATS.

[03:36:43]

Ponty:

This too.

[03:37:18]

phunyguy:

the last cat started rebelling because we had a kid.

[03:37:31]

phunyguy:

she was great until the little one came along

[03:37:37]

phunyguy:

had a couple accidents in a few years

[03:37:44]

phunyguy:

but she puked like the typical female.

[03:37:54]

phunyguy:

once the kid came..

[03:37:58]

phunyguy:

"oh hellz no they didnt"

[03:37:59]

Ponty:

ah-haaa... My messy upcoming recordings is back to normal.

[03:38:29]

phunyguy:

got to a point where we had to lock her in a closet to minimize the "potty damage"

[03:38:45]

Ponty:

We had that worry with our dog and two cats. Dog got the worst of it cuz she USED to be the baby.

[03:38:48]

phunyguy:

especially since we hadn't paid a "Pet Deposit" in the last apt.

[03:39:13]

Ponty:

She WAS a pretty good dog. But now? Won't shit on the papers, jumps all over the kids and is WAY too excited to see us when we leave the house for 10 FREAK'N MINUTES...

[03:39:24]

phunyguy:

lol.

[03:39:27]

phunyguy:

breed?

[03:39:43]

phunyguy:

should change your nick to "Potty"

[03:39:46]

phunyguy:

(lawl)

[03:39:53]

phunyguy:

sorry – had to.

[03:40:01]

Ponty:

Then theres always trying to run out the door when we open it, only to greet us.. NEVER listens when we tell her to do things, like, you know.. Get out of the way so we don't step on ya while we bring in 30 lbs of groceries....

[03:40:07]

Ponty is now known as Pontiac

[03:40:08]

Pontiac:

:P

[03:40:13]

Pontiac:

I'm a dying breed. heh

[03:40:15]

phunyguy:

GM Fan?

[03:40:19]

phunyguy:

<3

[03:40:20]

Pontiac:

Absolutly.

[03:40:23]

phunyguy:

<333

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Pontiac:

First car was an 87 Camaro LT. 2.8L with a 5 speed. Drove her till I bought my Sunbird. Then bought a Grand Am.

[03:40:57]

phunyguy:

shall we start the car conversation?

[03:40:59]

phunyguy:

guess so.

[03:41:22]

Pontiac:

Well, theres no one else really asking for help, or telling us to shut up. {smirk}

[03:41:23]

phunyguy:

first car was an '86 Celebrity... then a '90 grand am...

[03:41:29]

subquake:

mind if I interject with a question?

[03:41:36]

Pontiac:

Grandpa had a Celeb. Good car.

[03:41:38]

phunyguy:

then a '91 Camaro RS (5.0)

[03:41:42]

Pontiac:

subquake> Dont ask. Please do. :)

[03:41:55]

phunyguy:

then i fell off the wagon for a while...

[03:41:58]

Pontiac:

phunyguy> I'd kill to own a late model 3rd Camaro again.

[03:42:05]

phunyguy:

yeah!

[03:42:09]

phunyguy:

mine was 5 speed as well.

[03:42:11]

subquake:

okay then! I want to install mythdora but the site seems down... is there news that I should have that it will come back sometime?

[03:42:12]

phunyguy:

so fun.

[03:42:32]

phunyguy:

paid too much for it and broke it too fast

[03:42:32]

subquake:

I found another place to get the ISO but I can't tell if I have bad media or not

[03:42:34]

phunyguy:

:P

[03:42:46]

phunyguy:

dont ask Ponty about bad meida

[03:42:52]

phunyguy:

story of his life tonight

[03:42:55]

phunyguy:

;)

[03:43:09]

Pontiac:

Yeah... Not only for the CDs, but... well.. news media too. (joke at the nick)

[03:43:15]

subquake:

heh

[03:43:16]

phunyguy:

they got a couple of the new Camaros at the dealership here...

[03:43:25]

Pontiac:

I have yet to see one.

[03:43:32]

phunyguy:

they...are...sweet..

[03:43:39]

Pontiac:

There was a dealership here that advertised "NEW 2010 CAMAROS HERE NOW!"

[03:43:50]

phunyguy:

i want to see if they are stupid enough to let me test drive one

[03:43:53]

Pontiac:

... ran a U-Turn rather quickly.. only to find out they were teasing me. :P

[03:44:08]

phunyguy:

they got them out on the showroom

[03:44:11]

Pontiac:

subquake> I'm getting the same results here. It may be just a net breakage issue.

[03:44:11]

subquake:

anything to get you in the door

[03:44:12]

phunyguy:

well

[03:44:15]

phunyguy:

the outside showroom portion

[03:44:24]

subquake:

well, I did find a live iso

[03:44:29]

subquake:

er 10.21

[03:44:41]

Pontiac:

<- Ubuntu fan. Sorry.

[03:44:46]

phunyguy:

<3 DUDE!

[03:44:53]

phunyguy:

lets cyber..

[03:44:56]

subquake:

I just might try mythbuntu

[03:44:57]

phunyguy:

wtf seriously.

[03:45:15]

subquake:

fedora has been rather frustrating to get working

[03:45:16]

phunyguy:

<--- Ubuntu.

[03:45:31]

wagnerrp:

its going to be weird being in 2010, or talking about things that happened in 2010

[03:45:39]

Pontiac:

phaethon> My 87 was a wreck when I bought her, and a wreck when I buried her. About 2 years into my ownership, the stabalizer arm that goes from the axel and mounts to the body "FELL OFF" the body when hitting a speed bump....

[03:45:43]

Pontiac:

Rust galore.

[03:45:54]

phunyguy:

lol wrong nick

[03:45:54]

Pontiac:

I ended up using a BBQ skewer to hold the arm up.

[03:46:08]

phunyguy:

lol fell off.

[03:46:10]

subquake:

rofl thats sweet

[03:46:11]

phunyguy:

riiight

[03:46:27]

Pontiac:

phunyguy> I'm not kidding in the least.

[03:46:29]

phunyguy:

held the muffler on the grand am up with a metal coat hanger

[03:46:41]

wagnerrp:

i mean you could say 'oh-four', or 'ninety-two', or 'eighty-seven'

[03:46:47]

wagnerrp:

but 'ten' is just too short

[03:46:51]

subquake:

put some marshmallows on there for style

[03:46:53]

phunyguy:

not to mention the rear strut wasnt bolted to anything....

[03:47:09]

Pontiac:

I could take crunch up a peice of paper, and throw it in the back seat (When I took the carpet out to figure WTF was going on under there) and I'd end up seeing the paper fly out my back window.

[03:47:09]

phunyguy:

BECAUSE THE WHEEL WELL WAS GONE

[03:47:19]

Pontiac:

it was AWESOME when i stomped on the gas to feel the ass end wiggle some.

[03:47:39]

phunyguy:

:P

[03:47:44]

phunyguy:

i had some beaters...

[03:47:55]

phunyguy:

the camaro was the best beater by far though

[03:48:14]

phunyguy:

drove that thing from Chicago to Massachusetts,,,

[03:48:23]

phunyguy:

then to VA and back MANY times

[03:48:27]

phunyguy:

then MAss to Florida

[03:48:34]

phunyguy:

and retired her there

[03:48:51]

Pontiac:

My car LOVED to run. I mean she was NOT well taken care of, unfortunately. I think in the 6 years I had her, she had two sets of plugs. Won't tell ya the drags I won against other cars. hehe

[03:49:01]

Pontiac:

Ohhhh I'm gonna wanna go play in the GA.. Damn it.

[03:49:01]

phunyguy:

hah

[03:49:09]

phunyguy:

the GA?

[03:49:15]

Pontiac:

Grand Am.

[03:49:18]

phunyguy:

ahh

[03:49:23]

phunyguy:

I live in Georgia

[03:49:25]

phunyguy:

confused me

[03:49:26]

phunyguy:

:P

[03:49:27]

Pontiac:

Ahh. heh

[03:49:37]

wagnerrp:

i never much liked grand ams

[03:49:40]

Pontiac:

GAGT better for ya?

[03:49:41]

subquake:

simple question of opinion for ubuntu: how well supported by community is it compared to fedora?

[03:49:47]

phunyguy:

that grand Am of mine delivered some pizza..

[03:50:00]

phunyguy:

much better subquake

[03:50:10]

wagnerrp:

didnt like the body styling

[03:50:11]

phunyguy:

wheel well missing and all

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Pontiac:

subquake> Can't answer that because I'm not a Fedora user. However, I do know that the community is well supported for Ubuntu. I've had all my questions answered, or at least found.

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phunyguy:

was a long time red hat user

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phunyguy:

ubuntu was a god send

[03:50:45]

Pontiac:

I started with ...

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Pontiac:

Slackware.

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phunyguy:

i wasnt so lucky.

[03:51:12]

Pontiac:

I downloaded the 3 CDs required on a 56k modem. :P

[03:51:14]

subquake:

I'm far too new a user to try and figure things out on my own

[03:51:17]

phunyguy:

i started with fedora core 1 – all windows before that

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wagnerrp:

three cds?

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Pontiac:

I run XP and Ubuntu flavors at home.

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phunyguy:

attempted linux a few times before that, i think my first attempt was the first or second release of red hat

[03:51:52]

Pontiac:

wagnerrp> Yeah. One install, then two `accessories`.

[03:51:52]

wagnerrp:

i cant say ive ever run an OS that required more than one disk to install

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Pontiac:

.. i just wanted the `accessories` more than what was on the default install. heh

[03:52:18]

phunyguy:

then quickly reformatted back to winb lows

[03:52:21]

phunyguy:

winblows*

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wagnerrp:

hell, aside from windows, everything i use fits on one of those mini-cds

[03:52:30]

phunyguy:

i remember the 3 CDs

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Pontiac:

Back then, repositories didn't exist as they do today.

[03:53:05]

phunyguy:

not to mention dependency hell..

[03:53:14]

Pontiac:

After Slackware I went into Red Had 5.1.

[03:53:34]

phunyguy:

my first linux install lasted 2 days on my 486

[03:53:40]

phunyguy:

DX4–100

[03:53:54]

wagnerrp:

didnt know they made 486s run that hot

[03:53:54]

phunyguy:

had it dual booted with Windows 95..

[03:53:58]

Pontiac:

Then left Linux because both were driving me asinine crazy. I swore up and down Linux didn't like me cuz the DUMBEST things would stop working for no reason after reboots.

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phunyguy:

then i messed up and destroyed the windblows partition

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Pontiac:

End of breed for the DX4s. my first PC was a 386sx-16.

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Pontiac:

my gawd... 16mhz.

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phunyguy:

:D

[03:54:47]

phunyguy:

thats like the 286 "Screamer"

[03:54:50]

subquake:

that's exciting

[03:54:59]

wagnerrp:

sounds about like my graphing calculator

[03:55:06]

subquake:

wristwatch

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phunyguy:

well this was back in the day

[03:55:18]

Pontiac:

My FIRST computer was a Vic20.. well.. it was my dads. I received a C64 for my birthday.

[03:55:23]

phunyguy:

DUDE!

[03:55:27]

phunyguy:

im gonna hump you.

[03:55:33]

phunyguy:

stop it.

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Pontiac:

LOL!

[03:55:35]

subquake:

you guys...

[03:55:36]

phunyguy:

i still got a VIC 209

[03:55:40]

phunyguy:

20*

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phunyguy:

with a tape deck.

[03:55:59]

phunyguy:

audio tape that is

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Pontiac:

I used to, but ended up going to the scrap a few years later.

[03:56:03]

styelz:

trs-80?

[03:56:06]

Pontiac:

Yeah, I know those things.

[03:56:09]

wagnerrp:

well thats one mental image i would prefer not to have

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phunyguy:

:D

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phunyguy:

sorry wagner

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Pontiac:

TRS? Trash 80?

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phunyguy:

i joke

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phunyguy:

I KID!

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subquake:

you child!

[03:56:53]

subquake:

I chide?

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subquake:

chaffe

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phunyguy:

lawl.

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subquake:

sure

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phunyguy:

i as only choking.

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phunyguy:

was*

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phunyguy:

pontiac.. where do you live.

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subquake:

okay, time to find mythbuntu and try it out

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Pontiac:

Waterloo Ontario

[03:57:37]

phunyguy:

eh?

[03:57:39]

subquake:

don't tell him! he's gonna come to your house and hump you!

[03:57:53]

phunyguy:

lol i'm a little far from canada ;)

[03:58:03]

phunyguy:

and i can tell alot from a STATE

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phunyguy:

tard.

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Pontiac:

Solid or liquid?

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subquake:

=P

[03:58:14]

Pontiac:

haw-haw

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phunyguy:

hee haw

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phunyguy:

lol A/S/L?

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phunyguy:

had to do it

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Pontiac:

... thats so... 90s. :P

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phunyguy:

lol.

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phunyguy:

whats yer ICQ number?

[03:59:03]

phunyguy:

:D

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Pontiac:

1563663

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phunyguy:

jesus.

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subquake:

you guys must be too close to my age =P

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phunyguy:

i dont know mine

[03:59:17]

phunyguy:

lost it years ago.

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subquake:

you're scaring me

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phunyguy:

<--- 29 next month,.

[03:59:28]

Pontiac:

I remembered mine over all these years.

[03:59:32]

Pontiac:

<-34 in Jan.

[03:59:36]

subquake:

I just turned 28

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phunyguy:

i didnt use IRC enough

[03:59:44]

subquake:

dammit I hate it when I'm right

[03:59:44]

phunyguy:

i used the hell out of Kali though

[03:59:49]

Pontiac:

IRC was the thing I used first when we got the internet.

[03:59:53]

Pontiac:

WWW hardly existed then.

[03:59:59]

phunyguy:

yeah

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phunyguy:

lol @ Geocities

[04:00:17]

phunyguy:

my first website

[04:00:23]

Pontiac:

egads.

[04:00:29]

Pontiac:

I wonder if my site still exists.

[04:00:34]

phunyguy:

*shrug*

[04:00:36]

phunyguy:

prolly noit

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phunyguy:

-i

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Pontiac:

I checked a few years ago (After 10 years of non-use mind you) and it was there.

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subquake:

someone prolly hacked it and filled it with pr0n 'n' ads for lube =P

[04:01:47]

subquake:

not that I'm bitter about it...

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Pontiac:

I so love MythTV.

[04:02:10]

subquake:

I wish I could love mythtv...

[04:02:22]

subquake:

if I ever get it to work! sheesh

[04:02:30]

phunyguy:

it takes time and patience

[04:02:40]

phunyguy:

so no old Kali users in here?

[04:02:46]

Pontiac:

I've run into glitches the last couple of days, but thats because I'm too dumb to leave things alone. heh

[04:02:57]

phunyguy:

used it to play War2 and Descent

[04:03:11]

subquake:

Kali?

[04:03:12]

Pontiac:

I used to play Warcraft. had the original and expansion.

[04:03:19]

subquake:

I thought that was a reference to california

[04:03:28]

phunyguy:

geocities is now yahoo?

[04:03:36]

subquake:

sure, why not

[04:03:37]

phunyguy:

no it wasnt

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phunyguy:

lol

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phunyguy:

hmm

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subquake:

I figured it wasn't

[04:03:55]

phunyguy:

well i guess that site is gone

[04:04:00]

Pontiac:

LOL! Awesome. I'm recording AND playing at the same time.

[04:04:01]

phunyguy:

oh well

[04:04:06]

phunyguy:

there was Hypermart...

[04:04:12]

Pontiac:

This should be intresting when commercials come on.

[04:04:16]

phunyguy:

that one hosted my first Perl Forum

[04:04:30]

phunyguy:

pontiac...

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phunyguy:

its fun

[04:04:53]

phunyguy:

i only have one tuner right now

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subquake:

you know, I'm trying to get mythtv installed because I have no TV

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phunyguy:

so i was recording... and the only option i had when trying to watch liveTV was watch a recording, or watch WHATS recording

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subquake:

but I have 2 decent desktops, a laptop and one desktop from 2002

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phunyguy:

"as" a recording

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subquake:

and a tv tuner

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phunyguy:

ok this mothis gonna piss me off.

[04:05:56]

phunyguy:

i gotta seal these holes in the closet

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phunyguy:

moth is*

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phunyguy:

thing landed on my nipple.

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subquake:

get the cat to take care of it!

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Pontiac:

I've got one tuner in the machine, but another I may put in.

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phunyguy:

well i have a ATSC tuner

[04:06:27]

Pontiac:

So far I haven't really run into a `major` issue of multiple recordings.

[04:06:32]

phunyguy:

with no antenna anymore

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phunyguy:

the active one is a PVR150

[04:06:52]

Pontiac:

by the way, when I had myth do a transcode, why did it convert my video from an 800meg file to a 1.2gb file???

[04:06:52]

phunyguy:

connected to Dish Network

[04:07:16]

phunyguy:

i will be keeping the HD tuner though

[04:07:26]

phunyguy:

the local cable company here is geek heaven

[04:07:35]

phunyguy:

154 channels all unencrypted

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phunyguy:

no set top box

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phunyguy:

free HD

[04:07:42]

phunyguy:

etc

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phunyguy:

even HBO is unencrypted

[04:07:55]

phunyguy:

$46 a month

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subquake:

that's exciting

[04:08:31]

phunyguy:

got that moth.

[04:08:37]

phunyguy:

i am very sneaky.

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Pontiac:

heh.. Jamie from Mythbusters: "Ok, you're going to build a wall... We're going to blow it up, but do a good job anyways. lets go."

[04:08:55]

Pontiac:

<- Easily amu.. ohhh.. a shiney thing.

[04:09:01]

phunyguy:

<3

[04:09:06]

phunyguy:

shiney things rule

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Pontiac:

Yes. Unless its a cops badge in your face.

[04:09:23]

phunyguy:

are you like my long lost brother or something?

[04:09:38]

phunyguy:

my long lost canadian brother?

[04:10:03]

Pontiac:

LOL I doubt it. I've already got two brothers that have caused my hair to go grey early. :P

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phunyguy:

lol

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phunyguy:

well i am an only child (from my mom and dad put together)

[04:10:39]

phunyguy:

i have plenty of step/half siblings

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Pontiac:

Well, better that way than via test tube.

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phunyguy:

true

[04:11:15]

phunyguy:

i have 2 half sisters, a half brother, a step sister and a step brother.

[04:11:20]

phunyguy:

:O

[04:11:36]

phunyguy:

my step brother and I are only 9 months apart in age

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Pontiac:

... what are the other halves of each brother and sister?

[04:11:46]

phunyguy:

you know what i mean

[04:11:47]

phunyguy:

:P

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Pontiac:

Do two half sisters make a whole one?

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phunyguy:

sure.

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phunyguy:

*rolls eyes*

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Pontiac:

Ok, lame.

[04:12:09]

Pontiac:

So what?

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phunyguy:

</care?

[04:12:19]

phunyguy:

err

[04:12:21]

phunyguy:

</care>

[04:12:31]

Pontiac:

Should me when I'm tired and `try` to be funny.

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phunyguy:

and when you misspell "be"

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phunyguy:

ok bed time for me

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Pontiac:

L8r

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phunyguy:

gotta wake up in 6 hours

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phunyguy:

nice talkin, bro

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Pontiac:

I gotta be awake on Friday.

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subquake:

yeh it must be late for you, too

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Pontiac:

12:15am.

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subquake:

okay, time to try out the mythbuntu install

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subquake:

g'nite, then!

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subquake:

thanks for the help, by the way

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Pontiac:

No prob.

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jblack:

Would anyone have thoughts on why a frontend would play audio at a high pitch? mp3s and other types of audio (at least outside of myth) are fine.

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wagnerrp:

digital output?

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troldrik:

who broke the channel scanner in trunk? :/

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wagnerrp:

check trac

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wagnerrp:

it was a couple weeks ago

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wagnerrp:

i wouldnt call it 'broken', so much as 'partially fixed'

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troldrik:

Well it segfaults for me.

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wagnerrp:

oh? havent heard of that issue

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troldrik:

in DTVSignalMonitor::GetScanStreamData()

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wagnerrp:

usually people complain that it gives them a bunch of conflicting SCTE channels

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troldrik:

Don't have it built with symbols

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laga:

stevecam: i guess there are some open source hosting sites where you could host your distro. not sure about size restrictions

[08:25:08]

laga:

stevecam: but i'm also sure some existing distro would appreciate your contributions if they're not too crazy

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brett_:

mythvideo is crashing whilst playing back dvds. When it crashes the computer is totally unresponsive requiring a hard reset. I'm running a new install of jaunty

[09:02:03]

brett_:

any ideas?

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stevecam:

laga, do you know any distros that would? i dont plan on doing a big distro, just a small one

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stevecam:

Does MythTV have stability issues?

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laga:

stevecam: pretty much any distro i suppose? i know for a fact that mythbuntu always looks for developers

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laga:

stevecam: well, yes and no? it can crash :)

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stevecam:

laga, is mythbuntu dedicated?

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stevecam:

its crashed 3 times this week

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gbee:

if the computer is completely unresponsive it's a driver/kernel problem, possibly the video driver

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laga:

stevecam: dedicated? as in "dedicated mythtv box"?

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stevecam:

ok

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stevecam:

yeah, dedicated mythbox client

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laga:

stevecam: yeah. it can be. default install is like that. but it's easy to turn it into whatever you want, since it's ubuntu

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** laga turned his myth backend into a desktop box the other day **

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gbee:

brett_: are you running a non-standard version of Myth? e.g. One that provides VDPAU?

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stevecam:

hmm, sounds too simple to me

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laga:

stevecam: too simple? :)

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stevecam:

ok, the mythbackend just crashed 1 this week, just then, i lost a recording

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laga:

btw, if someone knows how i can make lyx not line-break my code when i insert it into a listings box, please let me know before i break something

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stevecam:

lynx?

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laga:

no, lyx. think latex editor

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stevecam:

oh

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stevecam:

i never got in to LaTeX, although my dad seems to be obsessed with postscript and markup languages

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stevecam:

LaTeX is post script isnt it?

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laga:

no, LaTeX is a typography language which can then be turned into postscript, for example

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laga:

latex makes my homework look very pretty, that's all i care about :)

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brett_:

standard mythtv, standard everything

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brett_:

I was building from source on an old dapper system, but had mucho problems with channel tuning so upgraded

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stevecam:

oh, would you care to enlighten me, ive heard much about LaTeX, but have never really done anything with it

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brett_:

sorry, re-installed

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brett_:

I also get hard crashes sometimes when I create a new recording schedule

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stevecam:

brett_, if your whole system is crashing, maybe its what laga said, and a kernel-related problem

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stevecam:

have you tried using a different program to play your DVD?

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laga:

stevecam: as i said, all i know is that it makes my homework look good and there's 90% less teeth-grinding compared to using oowriter. wikipedia should have a big article on it :)

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stevecam:

oowriter is open office writer i presume

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brett_:

the last entry in the log before the crash (when i created a new tv recording schedule) was UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap Done. Found 36 objects

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brett_:

in UPnpMedia: BuildMediaMap VIDEO scan starting in :/mythdata/dvd

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brett_:

that was the line before

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stevecam:

brett_, have you tried playing your DVD with a different program yet?

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brett_:

no not yet

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stevecam:

maybe you should

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stevecam:

have you got VLC or MPlayer installed on your system?

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brett_:

If not, I can, thanks for the pointers guys, eating dinner now

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stevecam:

just an idea thats all, if it is, you could try having a look in /var/log for some sort of reasonable explanation

[09:32:29]

stevecam:

where does MythTV keep its logs?

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stevecam:

oh there it is /var/log/mythtv

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stevecam:

what exactly does MythTV transcoding do, transcode it into what?

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Ryan09:

Hello hello

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Ryan09:

Would anyone know if its possible to get mythtv to automatically record an amount of minutes before and after an 'on demand' recording (ie. pressing r)?

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gbee:

Ryan09: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/User_Manual:TV_Set . . . n_seconds.29

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Ryan09:

...thanks a lot, I can't believe I missed that after all the rummaging around in menus... gotta love that its item 1.1.1

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clever:

what CLI tool can i use to rip music cd's?

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clever:

i'm having trouble with mythmusic and sound-juicer isnt working

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stuarta:

hah! DB hacked to swap cards around

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stuarta:

i've much more stuff to record now virgin1 has gone 24hrs on freeview

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clever:

what CLI tool can i use to rip music cd's?

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clever:

stuarta: nice, i lost a card recently so i cant even record 2 things at once:(

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clever:

the sound card drivers on my framegrabber box are dead, so i cant play or capture

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clever:

but right now, i just want to rip a cd or 2

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** laga is jealous of clever sitting at home and playing around with stuff **

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clever:

laga: did i mention ive been doing this all night?

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janneg:

clever: abcde

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clever:

ahh yeah, i remember that one now

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clever:

janneg: its working great:)

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clever:

thanks

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phunyguy:

hi

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bidossessi:

i'm running mythtv on ubuntu jaunty, and i've just finished my dvb card setup. i configured a local frontend and a remote frontend on my laptop. for some reason i cannot seem to be able to watch live tv on both at the same time. is it a limitation or am i missing something?

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stuarta:

how many dvb cards do you have?

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bidossessi:

one

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bidossessi:

do i need a card for each frontend?

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stuarta:

imho live tv is for testing

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stuarta:

record what you want and watch it on either frontend

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bidossessi:

that is a possibility, ys, but not really the answer to my question. live tv is not really only for testing. the wife wants to be able to move from one room to the next and continue her program without having to turn it off every time. is it possible?

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juski:

oh joy. PMT errors. need to bloody rescan AGAIN

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stuarta:

well they did reshuffle all the channels last week

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stuarta:

mainly cause virgin1 went 24hrs

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juski:

thought I'd fixed that

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juski:

full scan of existing transports.. can't be bothered with deleting all the channels & redoing the xmltv config

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juski:

Russia Today marked as encrypted? wtf?

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juski:

heh Mojo must've moved serviceid

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stuarta:

lost your Mojo?

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** stuarta hears the crash of cymbols after that one **

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juski:

dunno why anyone even bothers with all the junk channels. bout time they did away with a load of them

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juski:

at least on myth we can hide the crap – something you can't do on most STBs

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stuarta:

aye

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juski:

lies! PS3 'playTV' listed on a shop website with tags 'PS3, tv, pvr, HDTV'

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stuarta:

well you can get it todo that stuff

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juski:

won't ever do HD in the UK though

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stuarta:

no, but it does HD playback

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stuarta:

best way to get a blueray player

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juski:

bit of a mis-selling tactic to say a PS3 TV tuner will do HD in the UK though

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stuarta:

it may well do

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stuarta:

most of that will be done in software on the ps3 i reckon

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juski:

not the demodulation :-P

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stuarta:

no, but there is a thing you can by which give the ps3 a tuner

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juski:

that's the 'playtv' thing I've been talking about

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juski:

the one they're mis-selling as 'HDTV compatible' in the UK

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juski:

looking fwd to the furore about dvb-t2 :-D

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stuarta:

yeah, that's going to be fun :(

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gbee:

compatible maybe, doesn't equate that HD is available

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juski:

"whaaaaaa? whaddya mean the new HD telly I bought 3 months ago can't tune HD on terrestrial?" :-D

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gbee:

DVB-T is capable of HD, but no-one is going to waste that much bandwidth on mpeg2 HD

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stuarta:

juski: depends if they have built the hardware into the tv or not

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juski:

there's no dvb-t2 hardware in the wild other than a very small production run of one chipset

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gbee:

most have

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stuarta:

the dvb-t2 hardware i was talking about

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stuarta:

saw argos are doing *freesat* tv's

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juski:

I think dvb-t2 will die on its arse before even getting started

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gbee:

here's hoping

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stuarta:

aye

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juski:

dvb-t can accomodate h.264 just fine

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gbee:

couple of manufacturer's are now producing DVB-S2 capable sets

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juski:

by ofcom's own admission they only want the extra capacity for more channels. great. more junk

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juski:

*capacity dvb-t2 would offer

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spaceinvader:

does anyone have a recent osx intel frontend build?

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spaceinvader:

all the ones online are old or incredibly slow downloads

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stuarta:

not that i know of

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stuarta:

my mini's died, and gone for surgery

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spaceinvader:

i need to reposition my antenna

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spaceinvader:

so i was going to put the osx myth frontend on my laptop so i can go on the roof with it and check the BE

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stuarta:

why not just build it

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spaceinvader:

will take a while, and all i want to do is position the antennae...

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spaceinvader:

is there a telnet interface or something that could tell me the signal?

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gbee:

ssh + femon

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stuarta:

i think one of the plain dvb utils will report the SNR

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spaceinvader:

didn't see it ;p

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Essobi:

Morning.

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k-man:

is there a mechanism in mythtv to get the backend to call a script when a user schedules a new program to record?

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spaceinvader:

status SCVYL | signal 55% | snr 99% | ber 220 | unc 0 | FE_HAS_LOCK

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spaceinvader:

there we go :D

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k-man:

anyone tried xbmc?

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juski:

no commenty

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k-man:

is there any kind of user jobs that can be run when you schedule a recording? as opposed to after it finishes recording something? I'd like to make a job that sends an email to someowhen when i schedule a new show to be recorded

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spaceinvader:

why does the osd wobble up and down a bit? something to do with deinterlacing?

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juski:

just after a recording.. post recording or nothing

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k-man:

ok, thanks

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k-man:

does mysql have the concept of triggers? maybe i could do it that way?

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juski:

just look at the 'upcoming' recordings list

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k-man:

is there any kind of script that will list upcomming recordings?

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juski:

mythbackend --printsched

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stuarta:

mythbackend --printsched

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** stuarta yells SNAP! **

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k-man:

hmm... interesting

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k-man:

is there any other things mythbackend can do from the cli?

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juski:

mythbackend --help

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k-man:

thanks

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k-man:

i was hoping i could use --printsched to work out new shows that the user has scheduled but it might be too hard because it includes the episode name in the title

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juski:

mv $file1 $file2; mythbackend --printsched > $file1; diff $file1 $file2 :-P

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elmojo:

gbee: curious what vsync method are you using for vdpau?

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k-man:

juski: no, that won't work because the shows include episode names

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juski:

suit yerself

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honk:

awk -F- print $1

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honk:

;P

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stuarta:

cut -f 1 -d ' '

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juski:

oh yeah! The motivation-sink has kicked into a higher gear

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Essobi:

TFMC here..

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Essobi:

WEEEEEEEEEEEE!

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juski:

wonder what kind of company lays people off & expects them to repay training course fees

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stuarta:

they didn't...

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juski:

ok if you say so...

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stuarta:

"f... off" comes to mind

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juski:

ugly, ain't they? ;-)

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iamlindoro:

juski, So, how 'bout that Myth .18, eh?

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juski:

it won't be out for ages yet

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iamlindoro:

I heard a rumor that Zap2It labs was going to offer us free listings!

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sid3windr:

no way

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iamlindoro:

fo' reals!

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sid3windr:

I don't think they'll be keeping that up for too long!

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sid3windr:

my commercial entity will take advantage of this right away – thanks for the tip iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

Alas, if only there was some direct way of getting schedules

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sid3windr:

feh, if you want it so bad, start something yourself!

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juski:

community-run entity, working with listings providers direct?

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juski:

methinks you are overly optimistic :)

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iamlindoro:

Bah, it'll never happen!

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sid3windr:

yea, when pigs get the flu and myth is at 0.21.

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Essobi:

....

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, off to finish my theme, it's this nice grey one with Gooey-icons And Neat Text... you'll never guess what I'm going to call it

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juski:

ahh only another 30 minutes left in this misery hole

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juski:

iamlindoro: G.T.A.N?

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iamlindoro:

Close!

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juski:

or is it spelled G'Tan ?

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sid3windr:

Brother of T'Pol :o

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stuarta:

!seen sanity

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sanity has not been seen here

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iamlindoro:

!seen levity

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MythLogBot:

levity was last seen 5 seconds ago

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juski:

well, on the plus side of today's news I prolly won't have to listen to stupid music from the other tech's iPod all day 30 days from now

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Essobi:

juski: downsizing?

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juski:

no, not officially

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Essobi:

Nice, non-official downsizing.

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sphery:

k-man: myth_upcoming_recordings.pl (from contrib/misc_status_info). use --help to find out all the options

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spaceinvader:

what record option do i want to record any showing of any episode in a whole series?

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sphery:

k-man: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/345749#345749 and http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/348206#348206

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juski:

is that some kind of joke?

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juski:

'record at any time on this channel' for example

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iamlindoro:

curse you, plain english recording types!

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spaceinvader:

it's aired on multiple channels

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sid3windr:

=)

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iamlindoro:

at any time on any channel, then, they *are* in plain english

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sid3windr:

record any time on any channel then?

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sid3windr:

doh

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sid3windr:

lol.

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sphery:

should always use any channel, anyway

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sid3windr:

but you don't have all those in the epg do you

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** juski submits a patch to replace plain English text wih more meaningless strings **

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Essobi:

juski: Nice.

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iamlindoro:

used recording type 7b!

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sphery:

i.e. things change--NBC bails on Scrubs, but ABC had promised 2 more years a year ago, so ABC airs the last year

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sid3windr:

I only saw most of them in mythweb

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spaceinvader:

so "record at any time on any channel" will record one of each title from anywhere?

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juski:

iamlindoro: needs 6 chars minimum

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iamlindoro:

juski, 7b1234?

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juski:

:D

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iamlindoro:

needs more hex

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juski:

just read that back.. submits patch. lol

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iamlindoro:

0x7b1ae

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iamlindoro:

yessssss

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Essobi:

MORE COWBELL!

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sid3windr:

0xB00000

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sphery:

I recommend 196e2d44d77874d2e214627db813babc . (It's the md5sum of the MythWeb wording.)

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iamlindoro:

Yeah, use WMCE if you can't do md5 in your heads, pussies

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sphery:

most can probably do md5--but only the 1337 can do reverse md5 in their heads

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juski:

who needs VDPAU – you mean you can't just dump the video & audio directly into the socket on the side of your head?

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juski:

chuffing weirdo

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iamlindoro:

rendering it is so 21st century

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juski:

7 minutes to go :)

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sphery:

Wow. Hitachi 1TB HDD for $74.99 with promo code EMCLSNT27 at newegg. I'd think you'd have to pay extra for a drive with musical propensities (click, click, click... --at least in my experience :)

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juski:

we have seagate 1.5TB drives here lying unused. pretty safe to say nobody will be pinching em

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iamlindoro:

could be worse, could be *shudder* Seagate *twitch*

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sphery:

at least my Seagates don't click.

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sphery:

Of course, the Hitachi DeathStar still hasn't failed--it just sounds awful

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iamlindoro:

yet

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juski:

time to head down the precinct & yelling 'gis a job' at passers by

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juski:

*start yelling

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bobbob1016:

How can I get mythmusic to differentiate between my flac files and my mp3s? I renamed the files _flac, but they still show up as the same names, I can only differentiate them by their quality

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juski:

try not having both

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bobbob1016:

juski: I thought of that, but I need them to play on my ipod as well. I shared my iTunes folder, and this is the problem

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juski:

so keep the mp3s separate

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juski:

duh

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sphery:

bobbob1016: you'd have to edit the ID3 data to include MP3 or FLAC in the title or something

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juski:

I ripped all my discs as flac, and have a script to convert them to mp3 for the portable devices

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juski:

makes for slightly more work but does the job – then myth only has the FLACs

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bobbob1016:

sphery: Any suggestions for an ID3 editor?

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bobbob1016:

juski: I also want to keep some MP3 and some Flac so I can "show" people the difference

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sphery:

no ideas... never edited them mysql--don't have much of a music collection

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bobbob1016:

sphery: Nevermind, exfalso is in synaptic

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MrGandalf:

so I finally figured out my 1920x1104 problem.. changeset 16424

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spaceinvader:

how do i make commercial flagging work in live tv?

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kormoc:

spaceinvader, you don't/can't, as if it's live-tv, there's nothing for it to skip over to...

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sid3windr:

well yes, the future

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spaceinvader:

kormoc: not even in the live-tv recordings?

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sid3windr:

realtime commercial flagging can be done I think, then you start to watch the recording a little later

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sid3windr:

reminds me I still haven't programmed a skip button on the remote =)

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spaceinvader:

sid3windr: that's what i want

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spaceinvader:

i have cpu set to high and max jobs to 2 and autoflagging

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spaceinvader:

but mythcommflag isn't runnig

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sid3windr:

I don't know how, I have comm flagging after the fact :)

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iamlindoro:

mythcommflag *doesn't* run on liveTV. At all. Ever.

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iamlindoro:

If you convert it to a recording and manually run commflagging, that's your only option.

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** cesman thinks realtime is it's own setting. In addition... **

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sid3windr:

oh!

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cesman:

what iamlindoro stated...

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iamlindoro:

The solution is to never use live TV

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jduggan:

but then how can he channel hop

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sid3windr:

yeah I meant with a recording :]

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sid3windr:

then realtime :)

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spaceinvader:

well say i have a recording in my recordings list, how do i flag that?

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iamlindoro:

Open the context Menu->Job Options->Bgin Commflagging

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spaceinvader:

ah thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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sid3windr:

there's a context menu o_O

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meshe:

M or I

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cesman:

In this case, I is the one you want...

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spaceinvader:

it has to be in the playlist first

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iamlindoro:

no it doesn't

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cesman:

M will give you different options

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iamlindoro:

just has to be the selected item

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J-e-f-f-A:

... Anyone with FiOS TV – and use more than one 1 box with MythTV? I'm considering switching, but wondering if I'll have to setup 3 separate instances of LIRC...

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Could just use firewire control

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iamlindoro:

6200ch works with the DCX boxen

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Do they have firewire on their boxes? cool!

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iamlindoro:

and the QIPs

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iamlindoro:

iamlindoro: yep, they're just moto boxes (QIPs)

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iamlindoro:

haha, talking to myself

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: ^^

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Is that only on the HD boxes, or the SD ones too?

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spaceinvader:

hmm it didn't find any

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: I don't know that for sure, TBH

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iamlindoro:

spaceinvader: Did you let the job complete?

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iamlindoro:

spaceinvader: it' not instantaneous, it'll take at least a couple minutes

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spaceinvader:

in the job queue screen it said 0 breaks

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iamlindoro:

ah, then yep, it didn't find any

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iamlindoro:

If you live somewhere like the UK, it's entirely possible it will fail... lots

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spaceinvader:

ok

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iamlindoro:

commflagging tends to work decently in the US, poorly in the UK, and somewhere in the middle everywhere else

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J-e-f-f-A:

I've noticed it doesn't seem to work very well on local OTA digital channels that are 4:3 format with letterboxed 16:9 video. (IE: Non-HD digital programs)

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cesman:

spaceinvader: there are various methods for commflagging, you may want to set what it is set at and play with the various options

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iamlindoro:

That said, the default is the method that is most likely to work-- it generally will only become *less* effective by changing to a single method versus the (default) combined

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iamlindoro:

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meshe:

lol

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J-e-f-f-A:

YMMV

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meshe:

can anyone suggest an antenna for ATSC, supposedly people around here are getting channels from Seattle

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iamlindoro:

meshe: Diretion or omni?

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iamlindoro:

er directional

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iamlindoro:

meshe: You're a handy type, you might want to do the homemade yagi project that everyone seems to do-- allegedly the quality is dynamite

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iamlindoro:

Personally, I have a couple of Terk antennas that have done a nice job in the past

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meshe:

well, depends, i may want directional to pick up seattle which is straight south of me, but Vancouver's stations broadcast from straight north of me

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iamlindoro:

AIUI if they are polar opposites a directional antenna pointed at the further of the two should pick up both

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meshe:

cool

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AndyCap:

assuming they don't have overlap

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iamlindoro:

my understanding is that the directional antenna has a (smaller, weaker) "tail" in the backwards direction

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cesman:

meshe: antennaweb.org

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iamlindoro:

So you'd want the tail pointing at the closer one

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meshe:

i'm probaby 40 miles from Vancouvers towers, and > 150 miles from Seattles

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iamlindoro:

150 is probably a stretch even for a good directional

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iamlindoro:

but depends on terrain

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meshe:

seen reports on the web that people in my area are getting it

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iamlindoro:

probably decent terrain, then-- I have had trouble with a signal 60 miles away :(

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: For a directional one, I use a RS 75-mile UHF antenna – Number: 15–2160 ^^^ 150 miles.. Humm... ^ yeah, what iamlindoro says! *maybe* with an amp... but YMMV...

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iamlindoro:

and then I bought my house in the shadow of a hill that is an ATSC death zone :(

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wagnerrp:

ive seen guides for homeade antenna, but not a yagi

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: I'm only ~25 miles from Boston, and with that antenna – no amp – and split 4 ways, I get 90%+ on most channels.

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iamlindoro:

If you're out in the boonies you can probably get away with something ginourmous

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Build yourself a 1000' tower... ;-) The neighbors would let you run the guy wires into their yards, right? ;-)

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AndyCap:

J-e-f-f-A: guy wires are for wusses.

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meshe:

haha

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iamlindoro:

Am hoping the $125 M congress allocated for ATSC repeaters results in a repeater in my area in the next few years

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wagnerrp:

meshe: you may want to hold off a couple weeks for the transition to take place

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AndyCap:

meshe: you have checked the frequency tables for seattle and vancouver and seen that they don't use the same?

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wagnerrp:

a number of stations will be swapping their current ridiculously lower power ATSC tranmitters for high power ones on their primary channels

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meshe:

not yet

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meshe:

i'll be doing some research, my tv does atsc so i'm going to use that as a test to see what i can pick up

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wagnerrp:

stations should be cranking up their power in a couple of weeks

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wagnerrp:

so that alone may make the difference

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meshe:

if they use the same frequencies, i should be able to separate them on 2 different tuners and hopefully block the opposite cities using a directional antenna

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wagnerrp:

stations are spaced such that you should never be picking up conflicting broadcasts

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meshe:

thats cool

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sphery:

Dibblah: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that Myth doesn't allow custom naming for DVB stuff, so if nothing else, it's probably a feature request without a patch. (Though you should verify that with someone who actually knows what they're talking about.)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, but she's talking about picking up Seattle (150 miles away) and Vancover (Canada, 40 miles away)... so that probably doesn't apply in this case...

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Dibblah:

Meh. That "someone" can close the ticket then.

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sphery:

heh...

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wagnerrp:

oh... well ignore any previous comments about waiting for the stations to do something

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sphery:

that's also why I didn't reply to it on the list--figured I should leave that for someone who knows what they're talking about.

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wagnerrp:

no normal amount of effort is going to get you 150mi range

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Dibblah:

Sure it is.

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Dibblah:

Use a blimp bounce.

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think she's gonna build a 20' super-yagi. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

normal effort being buying a cheap to moderate antenna and sticking it behind the tv

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iamlindoro:

I think that the future is bright for anyone who thinks of that as a normal effort-- that's a hard working individual!

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Dibblah:

Heh. You obviously haven't met my employer.

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sphery:

You could build a very large tower and put a big antenna on top. To cover the costs, start selling the signal to your neighbors.

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** J-e-f-f-A thinks that's a good suggestion! ;-) **

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sphery:

harkens back to the '80's and the start of cable TV service...

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meshe:

i don't think i'm allowed to build a tower that big

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sphery:

or hearkens, I suppose

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meshe:

i do however have a lot of 40–50' tall trees behind my place

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: Just disguise it as a tree... ;-) A Redwood would probably be tall enough...

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meshe:

hmmmm, actually, while i'm up there i'm sure i could seriously extend my wifi range

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sphery:

Dibblah: I think we just found our "somebody else" :)

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wagnerrp:

i saw a Cell tower disguised as a tree driving west of Carson City

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, there's a half dozen or so up here in MA. ;-)

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Dibblah:

There's one less than a hundred meters from my house.

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Dibblah:

It's trunk glints in the sunlight :(

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wagnerrp:

this one was rather awkward

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wagnerrp:

the branches didnt 'branch'

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wagnerrp:

they were just even length, and evenly spaced about ever 6ft

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: yeah, I think that's how most of the ones out here are designed... pretty dumb looking, not disguising it much...

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iamlindoro:

We have tons and tons of the "disguised" towers here in CA

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iamlindoro:

they range from awful looking to quite convincing

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wagnerrp:

the hills above lake Tahoe is the furthest ingo CA ive been (not counting a layover in the SF airport)

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wagnerrp:

so this was the only fake tree tower ive seen

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J-e-f-f-A:

They should put cell antennas on the windmills — Naw, on second thought, that would probably make the call 'choppy'... hehehehe

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iamlindoro:

Damn it, Moon Bloodgood is smoking

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iamlindoro:

I mentioned her to a coworker and had to send a picture, and am filled with a renewed WANT

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wagnerrp:

hah! she did the cutscenes for Nuclear Strike

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wagnerrp:

i remember that game

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wagnerrp:

i should have it on my shelf somewhere

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CyberKnet:

Bosses in that game were something else...

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kormoc:

Meh, she's okay, No crackers tho ;)

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wagnerrp:

'something else'? you just strafed and unloaded with missiles, whats the problem?

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wagnerrp:

i struggled with some of the missions, but the bosses were fairly easy

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CyberKnet:

Just saying that after the missions they could put you through, getting to those bosses was completely different – it was an interesting play on things – usually the bosses are hard.

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wagnerrp:

the only one i really struggled with was the DMZ

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** CyberKnet likes to play video games, but isn't really good at them. **

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: WhatWHAAAAAT?

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wagnerrp:

the DMZ mission basically amounted to one of those tower defense games

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: She could eat crackers, smelly cheese, pass gas, whatever in my bed

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** kormoc laughs **

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kormoc:

She's no jewel, if you know what I mean :P

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kormoc:

I figure, if I'm gonna swoon, might as well stick with the best!

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iamlindoro:

She's damn close

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wagnerrp:

apparently kormoc likes the white women

[16:26:18]

iamlindoro:

http://filmbuzi.hu/files/film2008/moon-bloodgood-t4-question.jpg

[16:26:21]

iamlindoro:

SOSFW

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iamlindoro:

Sort of Safe for Work

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iamlindoro:

God damn, I'm gonna need a minute

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meshe:

iamlindoro: don't forget to close the door to your office

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iamlindoro:

curse you, cubicle!

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** CyberKnet sees the cubicle visible shrink back with fear **

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meshe:

haha

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CyberKnet:

And let's not discuss the topic of shrinkage any further, k? ;)

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kormoc:

heh

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wagnerrp:

apparently JVC is starting to sell large gamut displays

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wagnerrp:

just released a 42" LCD that does 96% of the ARGB color space

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gbee:

have to side with kormoc here, she's no unattractive ;) but she lacks the cute girl-next-door factor IMHO – but each to their own :)

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pak0:

hi all people, good affternon

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gbee:

s/no/not/

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iamlindoro:

gbee: bah!!

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iamlindoro:

Not disparaging the cute girl next door, but there is a time and place for smoking jesus god saints preserve me hot

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pak0:

its required to connect the cable of motherboard spdif to vga for output sound on hdmi correct?

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pak0:

and next, in xfce4-mixer, i have to check or uncheck de iec958 boxs?

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iamlindoro:

pak0: Only if your video card doesn't have its own audio hardware

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iamlindoro:

recent onboard nvidia and many ATI cards have their own sound hardware capable of "real" HD audio (SPDIF is not), no passthrough required

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pak0:

i have one 9500GT from "PALIT" with HDMI output

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pak0:

that card have this conector

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wagnerrp:

is the spdif passthru even supported in linux?

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iamlindoro:

If it has the connector, it doesn't have its own audio hardware and then yes, you'd need to use the passthrough

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pak0:

if this card add the conector is because is required to conect to the motheboard really?

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Yeah

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pak0:

yes wagnerrrp

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pak0:

apologyze about my english

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pak0:

i have to take sound from my vga on hdmi because my DENON 1508 is break again

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pak0:

3 times in 6 mounths

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pak0:

Y_Y

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sid3windr:

because you didn't use the $500 powercable with the $500 hdmi cable and the $500 ethernet cable for the $500 rca cable to the $500 optical cable.

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pak0:

and how can i do for take the info from tmdb.pl on spanish? is only supported on english?

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wagnerrp:

sid3windr: what $500 ethernet cable?

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pak0:

i can`t understand you sid3windr, sorry

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CyberKnet:

wagnerrp: You haven't seen the $500 denon ethernet cable with directionality marked for lower impedence?

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CyberKnet:

It'

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CyberKnet:

It's priceless :)

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sid3windr:

Winkie: lmgtfy.com/search?q=500+dollar+ethernet

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laga:

no, it's $500 :)

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pak0:

i have used one optical cable to connect my denon from my pc

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sid3windr:

err, s/Winkie/wagnerrp/

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wagnerrp:

ive seen the $500 digital audio cable that just happened to be using standard CAT5 wire

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sid3windr:

:)

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wagnerrp:

but AFAIK, it was just a balanced transmitter using TP wiring, nothing to do with ethernet

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sid3windr:

it's wired just like ethernet afaik

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sid3windr:

which makes it an ethernet cable in my book. :P

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CyberKnet:

http://www.usa.denon.com/productdetails/3429.asp

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CyberKnet:

"Additionally, signal directional markings are provided for optimum signal transfer."

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CyberKnet:

lmao

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pak0:

500$ one conexion?

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pak0:

omg

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pak0:

its for freaks i think

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wagnerrp:

nevermind the fact that its DIGITAL, and only needs to be good enough

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wagnerrp:

unless they built it with no error correction

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bobbob1016:

wagnerrp: I am using spdif passthrough, so I think it is supported. Optical not sure, but spdif coax is.

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pak0:

on themoviedb we only can found info at english really?

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CyberKnet:

Too bad they provided signal direction markings. If you plugged it in reverse you could listen to all your music backwards for hidden messages.

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pak0:

xD

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wagnerrp:

bobbob1016: i dont know of any cards with optical inputs

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bobbob1016:

wagnerrp: I thought you meant output

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wagnerrp:

the only ones ive seen use the 2-wire connector like DVD drives have

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wagnerrp:

bobbob1016: talking about dumping digital audio into a video card, for muxing into the HDMI feed

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iamlindoro:

a fair number of the turtle beach and M-audio cards have optical ins

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wagnerrp:

(video cards with optical ins)

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bobbob1016:

wagnerrp: Ah, I can't even get HDMI Audio out, so I'm not sure about adding it to the HDMI Audio feed

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Ah, video cards, my bad

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pak0:

optical its supported too

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pak0:

i`m triying to get hdmi audio output too xD

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pak0:

its a little hard

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pak0:

i dont see the correct output with aplay -L or aplay -l

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pak0:

only get spdif output but nothing about hdmi output

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bobbob1016:

wagnerrp: Why do you need audio from another optical source to go to your HDMI's audio? Recording component on your mythbox with optical audio or something? Might be easier to get optical in, then just send it out via hdmi, I doubt there is an optical in on a video card

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pak0:

and using the latest alsa

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bobbob1016:

wagnerrp: Well on a *reasonably priced* video card

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iamlindoro:

pak0: You wouldn't see anything about HDMI output, your computer won't "know" about it if it's just a passthrough

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pak0:

i get one 9500GT with HDMI w/o cooler and works great with VDPAU

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bobbob1016:

pak0: It usually depends on the driver. I know some ATI cards can do HDMI audio out, but my Nvidia driver doesn't support it

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pak0:

30? + iva

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wagnerrp:

bobbob1016: you output digital audio on your motherboard or sound card, connect it to your video card, and the video card muxes the stream into the HDMI feed

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pak0:

nice

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wagnerrp:

the video card does not do capture

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pak0:

then my 9500GT doens?t have support to hdmi output audio correct?

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wagnerrp:

it just inserts the audio, meaning you only need one cable running to the tv instead of two

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iamlindoro:

pak0: As far as the system knows, it's the just plain old IEC958 output, it doesn't have any way of knowing you're passing it through to the video card

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bobbob1016:

wagnerrp: Oh, I thought you were looking for optical in on your video card.

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iamlindoro:

unmute IEC958, set your audio output device in whatever program to that, done

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pak0:

i have iec958 passtrough and unmuted

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pak0:

but cant get this from my videocard correct?

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bobbob1016:

iamlindoro: Not that easy, mine doesn't even with IEC958 unmuted. I just did spdif out, easier to work with.

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iamlindoro:

bobbob1016: erm, it *is* that easy, most likely you misconfigured the audio output

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** iamlindoro waits for someone to continue arguing with him about something he's set up a few dozen times **

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bobbob1016:

iamlindoro: That was the first thing I tried, and I couldn't get audio over hdmi. What is your video card then? If you don't want to get into it, then don't.

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iamlindoro:

Have set it up on various and sundry nvidia cards, both 8 and 9 series

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bobbob1016:

First thing I tried *before* changing anything from standard, so nothing should've been misconfigured.

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bobbob1016:

iamlindoro: Onboard or off?

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iamlindoro:

both

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iamlindoro:

and the fact that I've set it up the same exact way every single time, and had it work every single time tells me that I'll keep my own council on whether it's that simple

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bobbob1016:

iamlindoro: I couldn't get my 8400gs to do it, I've done the unmuting and everything. What base distro then? I'm just looking for what we have different.

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iamlindoro:

Debian, Ubuntu, Red Hat, have had all of the above working

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iamlindoro:

s/red hat/fedora/

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bobbob1016:

iamlindoro: Well, didn't work here then, Ubuntu must've gotten the wrong hardware or something. I have spdif working though, and sounds good enough for me.

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wagnerrp:

well spdif-over-hdmi will sound no different than spdif... you just get one wire instead of two

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pak0:

good

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wagnerrp:

however hdmi will sound better than spdif, assuming you have the sound system for that

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wagnerrp:

but youre probably talking over $1K before you would notice

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iamlindoro:

ugh, stupid california supreme court

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iamlindoro:

apparently a simple majority is enough to deny people equal rights

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iamlindoro:

dummies

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cesman:

argh!

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kormoc:

meh

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Dagmar:

It doesn't matter much that they did that, because I suspect it'll come out just like it did the last time that it's unconstitutional to do it that way

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kormoc:

I say give the churches the word marrage and change all the laws to apply to civil unions

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iamlindoro:

It's definitely unconstitutional

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Dagmar:

The CA gov't has enough morons that they regularly bring things to a vote that can't actually be decided through a vote--which is why it went to the CA Supreme Court tha last time

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kormoc:

and if you want to get married, you get both married and civil unioned

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Dagmar:

They can vote on it all they like, it won't make any difference

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iamlindoro:

kormoc: I agree-- taking the government completely out of marriage and making the government grant license for civil unions to *anyone* is fine too

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kormoc:

I feel it's the only way that's gonna work out in the end

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Dagmar:

What should happen is that any person that says something patently false about it in front of a camera should be slapped unconcious.

[17:44:14]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, it's just frustrating as a Californian (where we are *proud* of being quite liberal) to see us lag behind other states that are more traditionally conservative

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Dagmar:

It's bloody ridiculous how often the anti-gay people throw some emo argument in that has no bearing on reality

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cesman:

iamlindoro: right

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iamlindoro:

if freaking *iowa* can figure out that everyone deserves equal rights before we can get it fixed, that's a problem

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Dagmar:

...like when they bring up the subject of children, which is entirely different from marriage.

[17:45:16]

Dagmar:

...particularly with respect to non-breeding relationships

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kormoc:

The world needs less breeders...

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, california is two very disparate environments-- you have cities/coastal communities, and inland/desert/argicultural communities

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iamlindoro:

And the vote was almost an even split along those lines

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Dagmar:

I would seriously applaud if just once when some fundie lackwit says to a reporter "They shouldn't be allowed to marry because it's bad for the children" someone just ran up and slapped them unconcious

[17:47:03]

Dagmar:

"We deny you the right to say stupid things to the press, and we grant you the right to remain unconcious until the reporter goes away"

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Dagmar:

Or maybe if a reporter would just laugh at them when they make a comment about "what about their children"

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iamlindoro:

I know a fairly decent number of people with same sex parents-- great people, to a one

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Dagmar:

Very irritating that the anti-marriage people never make a single coherent and reasonable argument. They just bring their bigotry out in droves

[17:48:56]

kormoc:

Jebus says it's wrong! Oh lordy!

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Dagmar:

No he didn't, actually.

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iamlindoro:

maybe because they were raised in a house that knew something about discrimination and both parents wanted them, but open minded, kind people to the last one

[17:49:12]

Dagmar:

That bit really gets under their skin.

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kormoc:

meh, didn't you know that everyone that goes to church is a biblical scholar?

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Dagmar:

Actually I'm pretty sure they're not because I just about got kicked out od Sunday school at a Church of Christ church as a kid because I asked "troublesome" questions

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** laga remembers telling the religious ed teacherin fourth grade he didn't believe in god **

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Dagmar:

Things like, given the number of species in the world and the measurements of the ark, how did Noah fit all those critters in there without freezing them and stacking them like cord wood?

[17:51:33]

iamlindoro:

Anyway, sorry for starting a charged discussion, was just overwhelmed with frustration at that

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gnome42:

Think of how many childeren there are in the world that are orphaned/abused/neglected/unloved and who would give up anything to have those things.

[17:51:44]

iamlindoro:

Although we all seem to generally agree

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kormoc:

gnome42, but but but then they'd think it's okay to be gay! Can't have that... oh no... not at all...

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gnome42:

heh :)

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gnome42:

iamlindoro: ... and we should all be more like Dagmar and ask the troublesome questions. We are too passive in our support.

[17:55:23]

kormoc:

Ugh... I should be world ruler to end this madness! Vote chaotic good 012!

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iamlindoro:

gnome42: FWIW I've never been passive on that topic, I've protested :)

[17:55:58]

iamlindoro:

kodos and kang 2012

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iamlindoro:

homophobia for some, forced gay marriage for others!

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iamlindoro:

Yaaaaaaay!

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laga:

rotfl

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gnome42:

iamlindoro: yeah, I thought that might be the case. Good on ya then!

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mchou:

Dagmar: regarding noah's ark, they didn't answer "that's b4 evolution"?

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juski:

that'd bring tears to their eyes

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mchou:

The next time someone says "bible says gay is wrong...."

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mchou:

Just say "The bible says you should sell your daughter into slavery.... how much you willing to sell your daughter to me for?"

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mchou:

lol

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iamlindoro:

I'm curious to see the legal analysis in the coming days-- It occurs to me that the legal requirements (because Prop 8 was so narrowly worded) might have forced a ruling this way, but by recognizing the 18,000 existing marriages, the justices may actually have been intentionally leaving the door open for the appeal (ie leaving the existing marriages violates equal protection, so it gives grounds to appeal the constitutionality of any ga

[18:00:04]

juski:

tell you what – you can have all the same sex partnerships you want.. so long as you agree to ANPR cameras tracking every vehicle across the country

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juski:

how's that for a deal? we've got it here now :(

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** iamlindoro wonders how much public sex gets picked up by those cameras **

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iamlindoro:

yes, I'm a perv, that;s the first thing I thought of

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juski:

not many. most of them just take pics of number plates

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iamlindoro:

ah

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meshe:

gay marriage is legal in Canada without the cameras TYVM

[18:01:58]

iamlindoro:

plus, I hear there's no sex in the UK anyway

[18:02:15]

iamlindoro:

only between twelve year olds, and then, only for tabloid purposes

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iamlindoro:

meshe: Well there you canadians go being sensible again

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Dagmar:

12-year-olds and bishops that act like it

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wagnerrp:

yeah... how can you say same sex relations are wrong, your clergy obviously believe in them

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jduggan:

loll

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mchou:

wagnerrp: your confusing Catholics with Protestants

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mchou:

you're*

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mchou:

wagnerrp: get your denominations straight

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** CyberKnet tunes out **

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mchou:

for example, Souther Baptists are definitely not Catholics

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mchou:

Southern*

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wagnerrp:

i refuse to believe there is anything that different about Catholicism that it is the only one that draws that sort of behavior

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Dagmar:

I believe it's a result of an cultural problem

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Dagmar:

Thinking that going celibate is going to do something about those "improper urges"

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mchou:

wagnerrp: that's a defence for your confusion?

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Dagmar:

Oh, and putting little boys in dresses.

[18:10:47]

Dagmar:

That can't be helping.

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mchou:

wagnerrp: I'd hardly defend Catholics but apparently you're don't want to be confused by facts

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wagnerrp:

its just a function of parents teaching their children that priests should be trusted implicitly

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wagnerrp:

any religion that follows their leaders as such is going to have problems

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Dagmar:

That and thinking that pedophilia is something that can be cured by putting on a frock.

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mchou:

you guys are too funny

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mchou:

you cant even get your denominations straight

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mchou:

Prop 8 in CA was funded by Mormons

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mchou:

nothing to do with Catholics

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mchou:

direct your anger to the approriate people

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wagnerrp:

im not saying it has anything to do with Catholics, im saying it has to do with religious leaders

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mchou:

appropriate*

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wagnerrp:

that position is going to draw aberrant behavior

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mchou:

wagnerrp: that's rich

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mchou:

leaders arent the problem

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mchou:

it's the fools who follow them

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Dagmar:

Of course it will

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mchou:

leaders are nobody if no one is willing to follow

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mchou:

they'd be regarded as loonies

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Dagmar:

...but the bigger problem is that culturally, regardless of how often it *fails*, they continue to try to "treat" homosexuality and pedophilia by telling these people that by going into the clergy they'll magically be cured.

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** cesman wonders if leaders are the problem, why did leaders cover up for members of the clergy for years... **

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wagnerrp:

this the big problem around here

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wagnerrp:

its not that the clergy did it in the first place, its that the church covered it up and moved them to another parish

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wagnerrp:

like it wasnt going to happen again

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mchou:

you guys are dodging

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** cesman is just wondering **

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mchou:

Protestant clergy can marry. Catholic clergy cant

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cesman:

whatever...

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mchou:

Protestants (mormons in this particular case) are against gay marriage

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mchou:

what does gay marriage have to do with pedophilia?

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jams:

This discussion is very much off topic, please move it to another channel.

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, I'm the one who dragged it off topic, my fault

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bbitz:

Hello

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jams:

hi

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iamlindoro:

hey there sailor

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iamlindoro:

a/s/l?

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xris:

iamlindoro: have to say this scte65 stuff is nice.

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iamlindoro:

xris: Yeah, My channel layout has never been this accurate

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iamlindoro:

xris: TBH I'm having to get used to having certain channels where he cable company wants them, instead of where I've become accustomed to them being :)

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iamlindoro:

s/he/the/

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xris:

I had to write a query to fix the callsigns and names, but that was easy enough to do

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xris:

mythtv will need some special something to monitor that data for changes, though.

[18:51:54]

iamlindoro:

sweet, I'm hoping Daniel gets it into the myth scanner soon, would be nice to not have to use the external tool

[18:51:59]

xris:

would be nice if the correct vct_id was transmitted somewhere in the stream so users wouldn't have to pick it manually

[18:52:15]

xris:

taking care of premie twins is a lot of work...

[18:52:38]

xris:

I'm surprised he's around as much as he is.

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iamlindoro:

Worst comes to worst, we can send out a shout for people to pull it off of their STBs and "seed" services.mythtv.org with that info

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iamlindoro:

xris: Oh no doubt, I wasn't faulting him, just saying I'll be glad to see it internalized

[18:53:02]

xris:

yeah, I've been pondering figuring out how to do it.

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iamlindoro:

silicondust may be best positioned to automate the mappings

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xris:

the guy who writes the tool seems uniterested in working with the silicondust api (too much work to coordinate with the pat_tsid)

[18:53:56]

iamlindoro:

that said, it would be nice not to have to rely on them more than necessary

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xris:

and jafa seems to think there are some technical issues in dealing with the mappings on their end.

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xris:

wish I had more time to spend on writing services APIs.. or fixing the existing ones.

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iamlindoro:

could always build submitting channel lineups (and VCT_IDs in the stream) into the channel scanner, I guess

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iamlindoro:

And then deduce the VCT_ID from what was scanned

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bbitz:

What speed of processor is needed for 1080i MPEG2 decoding?

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bbitz:

(decoding and display)

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juski:

depends on the bitrate

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iamlindoro:

bbitz: If you intend only to decode broadcast HD in north america, a P4 3.0 Ghz is about what you'd want, or for something modern, a midrange Core 2 Duo or better

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iamlindoro:

If you need higher than broadcast bitrates, the requirements go up

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cesman:

the recommended would be a 3 GHz PIV, however depending on your video card, it can do the heavy lifting

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RyeBrye:

vdpau definitely reduces the cpu reqs.

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xris:

bbitz: or something slower if you have an nvidia graphics card and don't mind running bleeding edge mythtv code for VDPAU decoding.

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iamlindoro:

not that VDPAU is available in any released version of myth...

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RyeBrye:

especially if you want to deinterlace the 1080i

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cesman:

a nvidia card w/ XvMC works too

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xris:

too bad my nvidia card is too old for vdpau

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xris:

I should get a new one for my wife's gaming box and steal her 8500 for the mythbox.

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Dagmar:

XvMC will not help you with non-MPEG content.

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Dagmar:

xris: Good idea

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bbitz:

I have a 1.8Ghz and I can't afford to build a new computer. Guess I will have to: ATSC --> STB Decoder ---> MPEG Encoder via Composite Cable

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, scte65?

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iamlindoro:

1.8 Ghz P4? Yeah, that's not going to manage HD ATSC in software-- as the others have mentioned, in the next release of myth you should be able to drop a $30 8 or 9 series nvidia card in and let it do all the decode

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: A table being rolled out where comcast is going all-digital, which gives the exact correct channel mappings and callsigns

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Shadow__X:

ah ok sounds cool

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iamlindoro:

ie instead of 128#11 you get 63 COM

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RyeBrye:

I've got a 3 Ghz P4 that uses 5% cpu to playback and deinterlace 1080i ATSC content thanks to vdpau

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Shadow__X:

awesome

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bbitz:

iamlindoro, could the GPU be used for transcoding too?

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: We really shouldn't be "selling" VDPAU to everyone who comes in here, however

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RyeBrye:

true

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wagnerrp:

bbitz: yes and no

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iamlindoro:

bbitz: Not with VDPAU, but yes, the hardware itself could be used for that with the right code

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iamlindoro:

using nVidia's CUDA API

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, but that doesnt change the fact that most of my qam is encrypted

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wagnerrp:

right now, the GPU isnt being used for decoding, only deinterlacing

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wagnerrp:

theres separate video hardware for decoding

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: That may be so now, but Comcast is movoing the entire "basic cable" lineup to ClearQAM in the all-digital transition markets

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RyeBrye:

I've not seen anyone writing any CUDA stuff for MythTV though – anyone know of any?

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** juski laughs **

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: For me that's 120 cable channels and 37 radio channels

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wagnerrp:

and like iamlindoro said, you can encode using your video card, theres a couple of programs for windows that do that, but someone has to write it

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: because VDPAU has only been available for about 6 months

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Shadow__X:

hmm damn and i was purposely trying to find a house that wasnt under comcast reign

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wagnerrp:

err... CUDA has only been available for ~6 months

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wagnerrp:

same time VDPAU came out

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RyeBrye:

CUDA? I thought that has been around much longer than vdpau

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wagnerrp:

not for linux

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wagnerrp:

they both got added in the 180.x driver release

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RyeBrye:

Ah, ok

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** juski is still waiting for 3D support **

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juski:

3D TV is already coming

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, so all basic in clearqam is anything changing under firewire less stuff being 5c'd

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juski:

& nobody has even started a 3D theme yet ffs

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** wagnerrp fears the day of 3D tv **

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: Nothing changing regarding firewire as far as I know

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wagnerrp:

3D TV sucks

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iamlindoro:

juski: Flaming video backgrounds!!

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wagnerrp:

anaglyphs are the devil

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RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: is it CUDA 2.1 or 2.2 you are referring to? Not to nitpick, but I thought CUDA 1.1 was supported as far back as 169.09

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RyeBrye:

http://developer.download.nvidia.com/compute/ . . . se_Notes.txt

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wagnerrp:

RyeBrye: oh... looks like your right

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wagnerrp:

maybe 180.x was the 2.0 release

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Shadow__X:

hmm although its mostly blind faith from what i have read cablevision allows everything over firewire although yes its depending on my headend i think its wroth trying my luck over the lack of firewire i have now

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RyeBrye:

I think it was

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juski:

believe it or not, I've not even seen inside an xml file for quite a period of time now

[19:07:03]

RyeBrye:

but I think most video cards that are CUDA capable are also VDPAU capable... maybe with a lot of interested devs upgrading to newer nvidia GPUs there might be someone wanting to scratch a CUDA itch

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wagnerrp:

either way, transcoding is the only thing that would really benefit from CUDA support

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iamlindoro:

Yes, all CUDA cards can do VDPAU and vice versa

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wagnerrp:

and thats all handled by libavcodec anyway

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juski:

ah but.. won't CUDA use the same bits of hardware.. i.e. GPU cores ?

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wagnerrp:

commflagging anything but HDPVR content is fairly trivial anymore

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wagnerrp:

juski: VDPAU does not run on the GPU

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juski:

ruh?

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wagnerrp:

the cards have dedicated video decoding hardware

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juski:

they've got dedicated video decoders in the GPU then?

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wagnerrp:

deinterlacing runs on the shaders, but decoding is done separately

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juski:

hmmm

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, when is the basic tier to clearqam switch start should i start a scanning

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: It's not a fixed date, they're rolling it out selectively per-market-- everywhere I've heard of so far has been west coast

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iamlindoro:

They aim to do so in 20% of the markets by the end of the year

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juski:

here was me thinking they were rewiring the logic on the fly for video decodering

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iamlindoro:

You would get a pamphlet/flyer about how you need to come in and pick up decoder boxes at their office, two free per family, etc.

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iamlindoro:

Their DTA (Digital Terminal Adapter) is a ClearQAM tuner with a tiny bit of extra logic for reading SCTE-65 and mapping the logical channels... the scte65scan replicates that bit of logic and outputs myth-compatible channel insertion SQL

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iamlindoro:

so basically allows your mythbox + QAM tuner to map the channels the way the cable company maps them instead of the ugly way, plus adds the correct callsigns, and makes them all match up nicely with SD without needing to manually insert all those XMLTVids

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iamlindoro:

all in all, a nice little utility

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juski:

anyway. it's a moot point all that VDPAU talk. by the time I'm in a position to even want HD... think mythtv 0.30

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juski:

if I'm even using it by then

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wagnerrp:

a 5yr old computer can handle any broadcast HD youre going to get in the US

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RyeBrye:

is SCTE-65 only used by Comcast?

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iamlindoro:

SCTE-65 is a standard available to any cable company, Comcast just happens to be the first one using it

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bbitz:

Is it just me or is 15GB file transfers over USB 1.1 a form of torture?

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juski:

rofl

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wagnerrp:

the difference is that other cablecos send the data on a frequency range outside that of traditional QAM

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wagnerrp:

with the DTAs, to cut the cost, theyre dropping that additional hardware and sending the data in-band

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bbitz:

I don't remember it being this slow back in 2000, then again my harddrive was probably around that size.

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juski:

wagnerrp: try 18Mbit h.264 .. not that UK HD will end up at that high a bitrate by the time they're done

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RyeBrye:

Hmm... in CUDA SDK 2.0 they made the video stuff nicer it seems: they have a "cudaVideoDecode" function now

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bbitz:

USB has come a long way...

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juski:

15GB over USB2.0 is slow enough as it is

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: That function is windows only

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wagnerrp:

juski: does that stuff get multisliced?

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juski:

wagnerrp: yeah

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RyeBrye:

iamlindoro: how nice of them :)

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iamlindoro:

yep

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iamlindoro:

That's okay, VDPAU is fine for video decode, CUDA is more insteresting for encode anyway

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wagnerrp:

so youre looking at a midrange C2D/X2, or any tri/quad core chip

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iamlindoro:

er interesting

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bbitz:

Too bad I am stuck with old stuff. 4 1.8Ghz machines with USB 1.1. I occasionally borrow a friend's macbook pro to transcode something and it seems lightning fast in comparison.

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iamlindoro:

You could sell the four machines and buy one decent machine with the proceeds

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wagnerrp:

yeah, your friend's MBP is easily 4x faster than a 1.8P4

[19:18:22]

iamlindoro:

plus you'd save a fortune in power consumption

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, wow that sounds very good of course they do this as i am leaving :(

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iamlindoro:

Yep, my lineup is extremely clean and well organized thanks to it

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iamlindoro:

Plus it minimizes my reliance on firewire

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iamlindoro:

Now what i'd really like is an ATSC repeater in my (dead) area

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bbitz:

(anyone): What "form factor" is your MythTV box, and do you seperate the backend and the frontend?

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CyberKnet:

I can't see how the diverse range of answers to that question would help you any...

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wagnerrp:

full ATX, yes

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laga:

big tower, yes/no

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wagnerrp:

no, little mid-towers, one behind the cabinet, one under the floor in the basement

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wagnerrp:

hah, theres a python library for cuda

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iamlindoro:

heh

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iamlindoro:

My myth backend is a gigantic closet full of stuff, as it should be

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iamlindoro:

http://robertmcnamara.smugmug.com/gallery/406 . . . 527086_8xQz8

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iamlindoro:

Note that the wire management issues have been fixed ;)

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iamlindoro:

And that my downstairs backend/frontend is 100% "silent" :)

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Shadow__X:

nice is that the motorla 3200 i see

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iamlindoro:

1x3200, 1x3416

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Shadow__X:

and it seems that comcast has brought back history channel on qam

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Shadow__X:

yeah i am moving soon and it may seem like i am going to get cablevision so we shall see how that works out

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Shadow__X:

atleast i can appreciate no dowload caps

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Shadow__X:

are those a bunch of externals as well

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iamlindoro:

Yes, though they're no longer present

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iamlindoro:

They were only there during setup to move media around

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Shadow__X:

ah ok

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Shadow__X:

if everything goes as planned i am going to need to upgrade storage as well

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Shadow__X:

i do like the closet idea i may have to do something like that

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iamlindoro:

Only way to get truly silent while maintaining lots of expandability

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juski:

think once my computer room is relegated I might go to combined box & just run cables into the livingroom

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juski:

for the amount of times we use the optical drive

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Shadow__X:

iamlindoro, i cant wait for your theme additions i might start running trunk so i can use it NOW

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iamlindoro:

Only if you can break into my system and steal it, since that's the only place you can get it ;)

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juski:

bet dustybin has a copy already, what with his l337 haxx0r skillz & all

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Shadow__X:

whats your password again

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Shadow__X:

:)

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juski:

not to mention the accute social engineering knowhow

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Shadow__X:

well than if i asked nicely could i get a sampling?

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juski:

leads to ruination giving out free samples. speaking from experience

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Shadow__X:

i was kidding i know he is doing great work

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Shadow__X:

and i am sure he will continue to keep up the good work

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Shadow__X:

i can wait until its finished

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Shadow__X:

and i shall

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iamlindoro:

Shadow__X: No, not just yet-- I haven't done anything on it for a little while, as it is usable for my purposes for now, but there are certain elements that I just don't like and can't see myself sharing it without fixing

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iamlindoro:

I am using it every day, though, so it's usable as far as that is concerned, but just not where I'd want to share it yet

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Shadow__X:

ah alright when i get things under control i am going to see what i can actually do i have been keeping the reminders to stoth so the fix gets put in

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Shadow__X:

right well than keep up the good work

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iamlindoro:

k ;)

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laga:

ah, the arch community. just found this in their wiki: "I have three 64-bit Archies running now, and they perform noticeably better under heavy load. It just seems to deliver more punch. "

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Shadow__X:

i want to contribute but i need to get things squared away like finding a house and moving into it

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juski:

I want to contribute, but I just can't be arsed

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juski:

never know.. give it another 6 months or so

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Shadow__X:

juski, sorry a place to live takes precidance over mythtv

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Shadow__X:

atleast in my book

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iamlindoro:

laga: Well they've got twice as many bits, after all ;)

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laga:

iamlindoro: hell yeah, 32 moar bits under load. 32 bits moar punch

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iamlindoro:

plus, it's arch, so I hear it's like having 8 extra bits

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iamlindoro:

It's pretty much a virtual 72 bit system

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iamlindoro:

With Gentoo you get 5, 6 extra bits max

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Shadow__X:

how is that iamlindoro ?

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juski:

you just do, RIGHT (tm)

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iamlindoro:

72 bits, that's enough to run 4 Sega Genesis and still have room for an NES

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juski:

what about the bits loose in the case – can I use them too?

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iamlindoro:

My humor is wasted here

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iamlindoro:

juski gets it, I'm moving to the UK

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iamlindoro:

hmm, but that involves being on the same land mass as dustybin... decisions, decisions...

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** laga got it **

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laga:

just busy configuring arch on the laptop ;)

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iamlindoro:

mainland Europe it is

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laga:

those 8 extra bits take some extra work

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juski:

nicer erm.. hmm... umm....

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iamlindoro:

Plus, immediate family in France, so good to go

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laga:

iamlindoro: 2h from here to the french border :)

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iamlindoro:

We don't have a mainland Europ equivalent of our NA and UK layabouts... hmm... coincidence?

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iamlindoro:

s/Europ/Europe/

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iamlindoro:

laga: ja, aber mein Deutsche ist nicht so gut, mais ma mére a la nationalité française

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iamlindoro:

ugh, first acute was meant to be grave

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iamlindoro:

can't remember the shortcut for the grave accent now, durnit

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laga:

your mom would be ashamed ;)

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iamlindoro:

indeed

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iamlindoro:

mère

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iamlindoro:

voila

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iamlindoro:

Interesting-- Canonical is writing an Android app execution layer for Ubuntu/Netbook remix

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iamlindoro:

Which of course presumes that there's something you can do in android that you can't do with an actual linux app

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RyeBrye:

deploy the same apk that will run on a wide variety of devices?

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iamlindoro:

We call that "linux"

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RyeBrye:

without recompiling I mean

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iamlindoro:

We're still taking about applet-type stuff, there's little out there that's worth the wrangling

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iamlindoro:

Most of what makes an android/iphone app worthwhile is the fact that it exists on a miniscule device

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RyeBrye:

I agree

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RyeBrye:

I'll have to see android on a netbook to see why people are all excited about it... it seems like a slimmed down distro would be a much better choice

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iamlindoro:

I agree (with no experience with it)

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iamlindoro:

Moblin seems like the right weight versus capability mix for my money

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J-e-f-f-A:

Any opinions on Samsung 1TB drives?

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RyeBrye:

(Although I do really like android on my phone)

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: I think they're mostly well regarded-- In the last year I've had a bromance with the WD Green drives, as you know

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cesman:

I guess it is a bromance because it is a hard drive

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cesman:

drum roll please

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: ive never had a single fault with my half-dozen or so Samsung drives

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iamlindoro:

wah wah waaaaaaaaaah ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: yeah... I had another of the WD500's fail (last week), and picked up a Samsung 1TB at Micro center today for $79.99...

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wagnerrp:

theyre cheap, theyre reliable, and (at least according to SMART data) they run damn cool

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: I think any time you buy a manufacturer's "brand" drives (Green, Black, etc.) you get a better QA process

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iamlindoro:

versus the "generic" drives from those same manu's

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iamlindoro:

I'm of a "anything but Seagate" mind these days, though

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bbitz:

Wasn't Seagate good?

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RyeBrye:

Seagate was good, but they have fallen :(

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wagnerrp:

seagate has a recent disastrous failure with their firmwares

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J-e-f-f-A:

If this 500 is still within warranty, the replacement will either be ebayed or put in my son's computer when it arrives... I think I'm done with WD for now...

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iamlindoro:

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me 42 times, shame on me

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bbitz:

Does it have to do with it's history with Conner? Conner was trash.

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iamlindoro:

<-- replaced 42 Seagate 1 TB drives in two months

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RyeBrye:

Since I've been burned by WD a few times, and had horrible luck with a Samsung laptop drive, I will still go with Seagate since I haven't personally been burned by them yet

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RyeBrye:

Wow

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RyeBrye:

that'd like a wheelbarrow full of hard drives

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iamlindoro:

It was a *lot* of drives

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iamlindoro:

multiple large RAIDs at work, and one large one at home

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: did you get a Seagate rep on-site to remedy the issue???

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iamlindoro:

especially when you're replacing the replacements

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iamlindoro:

That's when it really got annoying

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iamlindoro:

Because Seagate sends you what they call a "reconditioned" drive, when the first drive failed in < 24 hours

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iamlindoro:

and who knows how long that one had been used before it got "reconditioned"

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iamlindoro:

then *that* one fails and...

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laga:

eah, excess flood

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wagnerrp:

ill admit that my current array started because i got a reconditioned 750GB in exchange for a failed 320GB seagate

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iamlindoro:

Just very frustrating and nerve wracking, restoring huge RAIDs from backup did *not* sound like fun and multiple times I was one drive from having to do so

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J-e-f-f-A:

Jeeze, this Samsung drive has 32MB of cache... I remember having HDD's smaller than that!!! /me feels old...

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iamlindoro:

I'm not that old and I remember a 10 MB drive in the house

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iamlindoro:

loud mofo

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wagnerrp:

our first was a 20, although i cant really claim to remember it

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laga:

are we going to have that discussion again?

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iamlindoro:

which one?

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laga:

someone tell me whether i want dmix or pulseaudio on my kde4 laptop ;)

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iamlindoro:

no?

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iamlindoro:

is no to both an option? ;)

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laga:

iamlindoro: the whole "my first hard drive was smaller than yours" bragging thing

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laga:

iamlindoro: what do you suggest? OSS?

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iamlindoro:

laga: Oh, I never felt like it was that, more like "what will clever claim to have in the attic" ;)

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kormoc:

get a real sound card you hippy!

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wagnerrp:

laga: its probably more of a 'my first hard drive was bigger than yours'

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laga:

iamlindoro: heh ;)

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iamlindoro:

To be fair the 10 MB drive was my dad's work machine-- heh. I remember being really little and writing on my folks' word processor and running to ask my mother what would happen because I was almost at the end of the page

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laga:

my first own hard disk was 15 gig.

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wagnerrp:

first to claim a cabinet sized drive wins

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iamlindoro:

My parents, god bless 'em, owned all the Infocom games, so that's where I had my gaming start :)

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, cabinet? my drive was a small house you insensitive clod!

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wagnerrp:

your children used to use the spinning disks as a merry-go-round!

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kormoc:

Little Johnny? Put that bit right back where you found it!

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iamlindoro:

Mmm, brick sized bits

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iamlindoro:

Apparently Broadcom is providing the video decode silicon for the next Atom interation

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iamlindoro:

which does decode of all the same formats decoded by VDPAU, in linux, at blu ray bitrates, at 1W

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wagnerrp:

yeah, since its a SoC now, no separate NB/graphics

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iamlindoro:

which is *insane*

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clever:

its relatively simple to explode a giant formula into a massive chain of transistors

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iamlindoro:

Hope that the completion of VAAPI drivers and VAAPI in libavcodec coincides with release

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clever:

relatively

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wagnerrp:

what does that have anything to do with

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iamlindoro:

clever: not while making the whole process take a watt, dude

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laga:

clever: always takes me a lot of clicking in quartus ;)

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iamlindoro:

It has to do with clever needing to make noise

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iamlindoro:

because he can't go outside

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clever:

ive read about the whole md5 algo being done several times over in a FPGA

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iamlindoro:

the canadian environmental agency says so

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clever:

if you used a proper chip, you would take less space and less power

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iamlindoro:

He's a pollutant

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clever:

getting all that onto a single chip seems 'relatively' simple

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Plus, they're saying 30 mW idle-- crazy!

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clever:

just not shure what you could do to lower the power usage

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wagnerrp:

for the most part, FPGAs ARE a proper chip

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wagnerrp:

they use far less power on a given task than a generic CPU

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clever:

wagnerrp: but if you printed out a custom die to match the exact same thing, would it use less power?

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iamlindoro:

clever: Jesus Christ, are you just talking to try to keep things off topic?

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wagnerrp:

i wonder how much power on current chips is spent maintaining the massive caches

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iamlindoro:

and if so, would you please, PLEASE shut up?

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clever:

wagnerrp: static or dynamic ram for the cache?

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wagnerrp:

i mean that and the branch logic is where most of the die space if going these days

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wagnerrp:

you chop that off and you get a 2–4W Atom

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iamlindoro:

*anyway*, if the power claims are true, and Intel can produce a decent driver for linux for once, Pine Trail has some promise for a *really* low power frontnd

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sphery:

And since Broadcom has a long history in graphics processors. Wait?

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laga:

sphery: and good linux support!

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sphery:

yeah... 8)

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iamlindoro:

sphery: I think it's *just* the video decode part

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iamlindoro:

not the full GPU, which presumably will be Intel hardware

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sphery:

ah, so sticking with Intel silicon for the GPU

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iamlindoro:

Broadcom BCM70015

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sphery:

seems that a certain company was very upset to hear about the integrated GPU on atom's successor plan, though...

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iamlindoro:

understandably

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iamlindoro:

but clever business

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sphery:

yeah

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iamlindoro:

and by clever I mean real world clever, not in-channel stupid clever

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wagnerrp:

whos to say you cant just turn off the graphics system, and add your own discrete graphics

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sphery:

kind of like bundling a web browser/media player/"flash-like thing" with your OS...

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Apparently you can

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wagnerrp:

for all we know, they might be able to rig up some form of hybrid SLI on that thing

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iamlindoro:

They've come out and said it will still be ION capable, but having hardware decode and playback on-chip significantly reduces the gains from ION

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iamlindoro:

assuming it's as capable, of course

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sphery:

I'd rather see a switch-over graphics capability--i.e. use the integrated for low-power/low-performance mode, then switch to the discrete when doing the heavy lifting

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wagnerrp:

sphery: thats the idea of hybrid SLI

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sphery:

oh

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wagnerrp:

you use the onboard chip and video outputs for most tasks

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sphery:

i thought it just meant using both all the time (but hybrid because one's integrated/one's discrete and/or one's Intel and one's not)

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wagnerrp:

for intensive tasks, the discrete chip kicks in, and pipes pre-rendered frames to the onboard chip

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sphery:

I guess I should have looked up the meaning of hybrid sli long ago

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clever:

sounds similar to one of the ideas i had a few months back and you just called me crazy:P

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clever:

a dedicated pci board/chip that would decode the video and pump the frames directly into video ram

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iamlindoro:

Yes, you're a real innovator, clever

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wagnerrp:

clever: that is crazy idea

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iamlindoro:

way to invent things multiple years after the fact

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clever:

wagnerrp: and isnt that basicaly what hybrid sli does?

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wagnerrp:

not over PCI

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sphery:

"Kernels built without OSS support are becoming more common" *ugh*

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clever:

wagnerrp: so its basicaly my idea, but onboard and tied directly into the main bus on the motherboard

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wagnerrp:

and besides, those kinds of things have been around for a long time

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sphery:

how come the only people who use stupid lame-grabbers are people who don't understand what OSS is?

[20:49:28]

wagnerrp:

you have the old DVD decode accelerators

[20:49:31]

iamlindoro:

This is just like that time I invented the horse drawn carriage

[20:49:46]

wagnerrp:

more recently there were divx accelerators

[20:49:58]

clever:

sphery: i was using my framegrabber just find with alsa, until the alsa drivers crapped out

[20:50:02]

sphery:

iamlindoro: I tried that once, but couldn't figure out how to get the crayon to stay on the horse's hoof...

[20:50:26]

wagnerrp:

now theyre trying to push Cell-based boards for video acceleration

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clever:

though now that i think of it, i may be using the wrong kernel

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clever:

the modules may be missing

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wagnerrp:

you even had the old Voodoo2s, where you had one lower power chip do 2D

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wagnerrp:

and the Voodoo would kick in as needed, and do the 3D gruntwork

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clever:

i think i have one of those cards!

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** iamlindoro is shocked **

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iamlindoro:

old crap and clever, whodathunk

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clever:

dont worry, its been in a box for years

[20:53:54]

iamlindoro:

I'm not worried, I'm totally nonplussed

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J-e-f-f-A:

I think I sold my Vodoo 3500 TV AGP for $40 on fleabay a year or two ago... ;-)

[20:55:26]

hondo:

I added some previously backed-up music files to my /myth/music directory, but Myth is not seeing the new files. perms = 777. I've checked setup several times. Any help?

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wagnerrp:

have you rescanned?

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hondo:

wagnerrp, uhm rescanned?

[20:56:14]

wagnerrp:

that reminds me, mythmusic hasnt been moved to storagegroups yet has it?

[20:56:19]

sphery:

nope

[20:56:29]

wagnerrp:

hondo: go into utilities/settings, music tools, rescan

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J-e-f-f-A:

wow... This Samsung 1TB drive has a great review on Tom's Hardware... Seems it's pretty fast too... That's cool. ;-)

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hondo:

wagnerrp, Just installed Knoppmyth R5.5 and I don't think Music has storage groups.

[20:57:59]

wagnerrp:

hondo: knoppmyth wouldnt, this would be a development trunk thing

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** sphery tries to decide where to put functions to retrieve total amount of LiveTV, Deleted, and Expirable recordings... **

[21:00:01]

J-e-f-f-A:

Speaking of storage groups... ;-) Adding this 1TB drive into my storage group of 5 other 500GB drives will work fine, right – ie:Myth will probably fill up the 1TB drive until the free space matches the other drives, then begin to alternate recordings around and keep the free space pretty level, right?

[21:01:19]

clever:

are all of the drives local?

[21:01:34]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: Yep. ;-)

[21:01:40]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: nope, you'll have to move some recordings to the new drive--you want all drives to have approximately equal free space

[21:01:47]

sphery:

myth balances I/O load, not free space

[21:01:56]

hondo:

wagnerrp, That did the trick. Thanks.

[21:02:29]

clever:

ive patched things before to avoid SG's with <7gig free, so it would avoid triggering autoexpire at 5g

[21:02:29]

hondo:

Uhm, How'd I miss this in the last 6 hours of searching I don't know.

[21:02:45]

clever:

not shure where it went

[21:02:51]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: Ok, sounds reasonable. It must do a mixture of both though, no? As all 6 drives were darn close in free space usage.

[21:02:54]

sphery:

I highly recommend rsync for moving recordings (copy with rsync, then delete)... It gives you nice status and you can limit its I/O usage without any kind of crazy hacks.

[21:03:22]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: its probly just over-using one drive all day long, and expiring half the stuff on just that drive

[21:03:29]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: it picks the filesystem with the most free space that's not in use

[21:03:33]

clever:

causing it to stay level(expire limit) with the others

[21:03:43]

sphery:

then it goes to the one with the next most free space

[21:03:48]

clever:

though i havent used it much with several local drives

[21:03:56]

sphery:

so, if you only have one capture card, it will actually do free-space balancing

[21:04:11]

clever:

it counts transcode and commflag load also

[21:04:20]

sphery:

if you have more than one (and you actually do concurrent recordings), the I/O load balancing will likely catch you off guard

[21:04:39]

clever:

if theres too many jobs on the drive, it will avoid it to keep things under control

[21:04:47]

sphery:

then you'll be the next guy writing to the -users list to say auto-expire is broken because it deleted some recordings from a near-full HDD when there was plenty of space on the other drive...

[21:05:16]

clever:

sphery: i didnt bother -users with that, i fixed it myself:P

[21:05:26]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: But I'll move a bunch of stuff over the 1TB drive 'manually' to level the drives out a bit when I first put it in. ;-)

[21:05:30]

sphery:

yeah, but there have been about 100 people to do that

[21:05:32]

clever:

(after bothering #mythtv-users a bit)

[21:05:43]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: yep, that's the best approach

[21:05:55]

gbee:

meh, great start with Ubuntu, can't find the kmail package

[21:05:58]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: i made a bash alias for helping to level things out and defrag at the same time

[21:06:13]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: I've got 5 capture sources... ;-) 3x SD off of Sat, and 2x HD OTA (HDHomerun)

[21:06:15]

clever:

it basicaly uses filefrag to find the worst file, and moves it over to the said dir

[21:06:30]

clever:

and hopefully, that FS will put the peices together a little better

[21:06:42]

clever:

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laga:

sphery: i would consider mythtv deleting files when there is plenty of space a bug ;)

[21:06:52]

clever:

mythtv@theP4:/media/mainlv/mythtv$ defragcmd /media/redhat/recordings/

[21:07:04]

J-e-f-f-A:

My disk free space on the SG disks is pretty even...

[21:07:04]

sphery:

laga: it's an unimplemented feature

[21:07:08]

wagnerrp:

thats the fugliest piped command ive ever seen

[21:07:09]

hondo:

wagnerrp, Anything similar for the video file a have placed into /myth/video?

[21:07:27]

clever:

wagnerrp: yeah its ugly, but it works

[21:07:47]

sphery:

laga: Captain_Murdoch designed the storage groups to allow for pluggable disk selection mechanisms, but no one has actually built any new ones, so we only have what Captain_Murdoch made--the I/O load-balancing mechanism

[21:07:55]

wagnerrp:

hondo: you go into the video manager, and it automatically rescans

[21:07:59]

gbee:

sphery: nah, it's a bug ;) Since it affected me I've promoted it

[21:08:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

ie: 27G/29G/28G/29G/28G — that's pretty darn even IMHO, when you're talking about 500Gb disks...

[21:08:13]

clever:

works on everything except xfs, xfs doesnt have any notion of block groups, so there is no perfect ammount of fragments(other then 1)

[21:08:39]

clever:

J-e-f-f-A: but at what point does it start to expire?

[21:09:17]

J-e-f-f-A:

clever: I dunno... I keep like 30 copies of most shows... ;-)

[21:09:38]

clever:

i set my mythtv-setup(i think) to expire when it gets <5gig free

[21:09:54]

gbee:

losing a 100Gb+ of recordings when there is plenty of available space == angry, disappointed user

[21:10:04]

clever:

gbee: yeah

[21:10:20]

hondo:

wagnerrp, Oh I see. Myth sees the video files, but all the metadata is gone. So it appears as if something is wrong.

[21:10:30]

bbitz:

I am having a hard time finding information about computational requirements for encoding/decoding ffmpeg supported formats.

[21:10:35]

sphery:

gbee: you shouldn't lose 100+GB of recordings unless you're recording some long show at extremely high bitrate

[21:10:43]

sphery:

I think there was something else gong on

[21:10:46]

wagnerrp:

bbitz: codec and bitrate?

[21:11:26]

hondo:

Director = unknown, runtime = ? , year = ?

[21:11:39]

sphery:

Perhaps we should try to make a new acronym like ASL--CBR for "CODEC, Bitrate, Resolution?"

[21:11:43]

gbee:

sphery: I thought the implication was that the load-balancer didn't consider available space, in other words if it keeps picking the full drive it's going to keep expiring stuff from the other drive needlessly

[21:11:51]

sphery:

might have to reorder it for the constant bitrate people, though

[21:12:36]

wagnerrp:

RBC... sounds like a soft drink

[21:12:38]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, it finds the least-weighted filesystem (i.e. not in use), then chooses based on most space free

[21:12:46]

gbee:

and in my case it was a long show (several of them), 6 hours long at standard hardware encoding bitrates

[21:12:47]

sphery:

so if you don't catch it early, it would do as you say...

[21:13:36]

gbee:

logs reveal that the expired recordings were deleted over a period of two days

[21:13:40]

sphery:

J-e-f-f-A: that reminds me--even with only one capture card, you wouldn't get perfect free-space balancing because of commflagging/transcoding. so, back-to-back recordings would likely go on different filesystems

[21:14:15]

sphery:

gbee: yeah, that could do it--100GB in 2 days isn't unreasonable (assuming HDTV, especially)

[21:14:18]

bbitz:

I am wanting to get fast (as in fps encoded) encoder for SD video. I am not too concerned with high quality or framesize. But I want at least 15 frames per second.

[21:14:29]

bbitz:

I may not be able to achieve that

[21:14:40]

wagnerrp:

bbitz: what processor?

[21:15:17]

sphery:

if going from SDTV -> SDTV size, getting 15fps encoding shouldn't be a problem for anything I'd consider a computer

[21:15:23]

gbee:

sphery: the 100Gb is an estimate, I haven't actually tallied the amount, I just have a rough idea of the number of recordings lost along with an average size

[21:15:29]

J-e-f-f-A:

sphery: yeah, wouldn't expect 'perfect' free-space balancing... Although my current free space values seem to indicate 0.21-fixes is doing a great job with it's current algorithm. ;-)

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sphery:

if going from HDTV -> SDTV size, most any modern processor should handle it, given an appropriate CODEC (i.e. H.264 might be a stretch for many processors)

[21:16:24]

gbee:

pretty much everything I still had recorded from 4+ years ago until late last year went

[21:16:25]

bbitz:

Would you consider a 1.8Ghz mobile P4 a 'computer'?

[21:16:33]

kormoc:

yes

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wagnerrp:

a 1.8P4 should have no trouble decoding SD h264 at... say <2mbps

[21:16:52]

sphery:

yeah, should do 15fps encoding of SDTV->SDTV

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bbitz:

Xvid+AAC is giving me 5 frames per second

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wagnerrp:

encoding should be quite a bit slower

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sphery:

yeah, and assuming a reasonable CODEC (input and output)

[21:17:29]

wagnerrp:

now part2 (xvid/divx) should be able to run at 15fps on such a processor

[21:17:57]

wagnerrp:

HD anything to SD will go quite a bit slower

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wagnerrp:

because that processor cant even do HD mpeg2 in real time

[21:18:05]

J-e-f-f-A:

15fps? iick! ;-)

[21:18:17]

wagnerrp:

cant decode, rather

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sphery:

but then again, if you're paying for power, you might find it cheaper to just get a new system that's more efficient (i.e. P4's are space heaters)

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bbitz:

This is 720x480 2Mbps MPEG-2

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sphery:

and, really, transcoding is a waste if you're doing it just to put more on the drive... You'd be better off just getting more/bigger HDD's (i.e. 1TB HDD is $74.99, so...). If you're doing it to play the recordings on your iPod, then it makes as much sense as watching TV on a 2.5" screen can possibly make

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wagnerrp:

at current pricing on a modern, energy efficient processor

[21:21:39]

meshe:

i'm trying to figure out what format I want to transocde our dvds to

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wagnerrp:

you consume half to a third as much cost in electricity as you save in storage space by transcoding

[21:21:51]

meshe:

i don't mind having them full sized, but i don't want them as isos

[21:21:57]

wagnerrp:

on an aged P4, you might not break even

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sphery:

Hmmm... Just got an e-mail from Sun: "Cut Product and Support Costs, and Shorten Time-to-Market with MySQL Embedded Server"

[21:23:25]

sphery:

I think we should do that

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laga:

yep

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clever:

and a couple months ago i mentioned something about embeding an sqlite 'server' into the master be

[21:26:18]

clever:

though the main scheduling query performs horidly on that, i hear

[21:26:34]

wagnerrp:

sqlite does not meet the needs of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

and using embedded mysql has been talked about for years

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clever:

you would still need to modify the frontend and every plugin to route all querys thru the master

[21:27:23]

clever:

or have the master run normal mysql on the normal port, within its own process

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wagnerrp:

the latter is the more likely approach

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clever:

would have alot less breakage

[21:28:18]

wagnerrp:

the former is probably more complex than the QT3-QT4 transition

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sphery:

clever: the idea is to have an embedded mysql in a mythdataserver process... All communications would go through mythdataserver.

[21:28:27]

clever:

yeah

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clever:

ahh

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clever:

how would that be any different from mysqld?, other then less config

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wagnerrp:

just looking for the 'less config'

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clever:

ah

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sphery:

then the user /never/ even knows we're using MySQL/doesn't bork their DB's through direct editing (unless they open the files themselves)/doesn't complain that we're not using Postgres/...

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wagnerrp:

one less thing new users have to manage

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clever:

sphery: if its still running on the mysql port, then the user could still connect a mysql shell to that and bork away

[21:30:00]

sphery:

and since embedded mysql is /only/ available to the process in which it's running, it provides some nice security

[21:30:10]

sphery:

can't do that with embedded mysql

[21:30:14]

clever:

but it would be helpfull to run the mysql server under the mythtv username and maybe have mythbackend fire it up when its missing

[21:30:20]

clever:

ahh

[21:30:29]

clever:

so you would still need to proxy all querys to it somehow

[21:30:48]

sphery:

yeah, mythdataserver is the database manager and proxy

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clever:

doesnt a great deal of mythweb use mysql directly?

[21:31:02]

sphery:

yep

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sphery:

which is one problem that would be fixed in this reorg :)

[21:31:16]

clever:

and wont it be a pain to edit everything to handle the proxy in mythdataserver?

[21:31:27]

sphery:

progress

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sphery:

makes automatic database maintenance extremely easy (as there's only one process accessing the DB), keeps misbehaved clients from doing Bad Things(R), ...

[21:35:46]

sphery:

clever: http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/libmys . . . ictions.html (#5)

[21:36:16]

Dagmar:

"keeps misbehaved clients from doing Bad Things(R)" <-- bullshit

[21:36:33]

Dagmar:

Might as well be saying it cures cancer and rehydrates deserts while you're at it.

[21:37:07]

Dagmar:

Nothing short of violent beatings keeps users from doing stupid/destructive things to databases

[21:37:23]

clever:

rm -rf /!

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sphery:

users != clients

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Dagmar:

We've got a pretty massive db sytsem here, and at *least* once a week an admin has to put it out of it's misery and restart it because of someone incredibly stupid query

[21:38:01]

sphery:

users can still do bad things--like opening the files themselves and editing them directly

[21:38:16]

Dagmar:

THey do it through queries alone.

[21:38:19]

sphery:

but any client would have to go through the mythdataserver to access/change the data

[21:38:26]

Dagmar:

We would never let these loons have logins to the server itself

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sphery:

Dagmar: not if they can't connect to the DB because, "You cannot connect to an embedded server from an outside process with sockets or TCP/IP. However, you can connect to an intermediate application, which in turn can connect to an embedded server on the behalf of a remote client or outside process."

[21:39:29]

Dagmar:

sphery: They're still blowing sunshine up people's rears with that

[21:40:22]

Dagmar:

So they can't make 4,000 connections a second--big deal

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sphery:

embedded mysql isn't a client/server DB, so they can't connect at all

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Dagmar:

That's only one of hundreds of ways things go wrong when you allow users to make their own queries

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clever:

do a crappy query that ignores every index, and consumes massive IO and cpu

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sphery:

what I'm saying is that doing that would require either a) the user opens the MySQL data files themselves or b) the user modifies mythdataserver

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sphery:

(the code)

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sphery:

as mythdataserver wouldn't allow ad hoc queries

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clever:

what if i just properly connect to mythdataserver and give it a query?

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sphery:

you'd have to speak mythdataserver protocol, which is not SQL

[21:44:45]

sphery:

i.e. mythdataserver proxies the data in some protocol

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sphery:

the clients /never/ use SQL

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clever:

yeah, so id have to grab libmythdataserver and throw together my own hacked together mysql shell

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sphery:

yep

[21:45:19]

sphery:

and you'd be welcome to do so on your system, because--after all--it's your data :)

[21:45:22]

clever:

and atleast one dev is going to make his own for stuff like testing a db schema update and stuff

[21:45:29]

clever:

and it will probly wind up in svn

[21:45:52]

clever:

while its more hidden then the proper mysql shell, the user can still login and hose the db himself

[21:46:16]

clever:

the docs will eventualy catch up and show how to use the new shell to fix something like renaming a host

[21:46:26]

clever:

and some noob is bound to mistype it and hose the db up:P

[21:46:50]

clever:

though you could have that console queue up a full db backup the instant the idiot connects:P

[21:47:52]

clever:

its amazing how much people ignore copy/paste, even when told to copy/paste, and screw up even a simple 13 character command

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clever:

and it doesnt work the first time so he changed the -

[21:49:00]

clever:

's to ~'s thinking it will fix it

[21:49:13]

RyeBrye:

"You cannot set this up as a master or a slave (no replication)." Damn. My redundant server farm that I have set up to cluster my mythconverg will be useless!

[21:49:18]

RyeBrye:

;)

[21:49:37]

clever:

RyeBrye: you would need every server to be perfectly sync'd and thats not realy posible to begin with

[21:49:54]

wagnerrp:

nevermind the lack of redundancy in the master backend

[21:50:08]

galorin:

Howdy yall, I'm tinkering with a mythbuntu install, rolled my own on a Debian box about 3 years ago,died a year ago. What has changed majorly since .18?

[21:50:23]

jduggan:

lol

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galorin:

I've got a master-master-slave MySQL setup at work for our critical data, works well enough. :)

[21:54:34]

wagnerrp:

when you have multiple mysql servers, how does it all sync?

[21:55:00]

wagnerrp:

does it only improve reads, not writes? or is there some sort of digesting that chunk updates the other server?

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sphery:

galorin: http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.19 , http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.19.1 , http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.20 , http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.20.1 , http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes_-_0.20.2 , http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Release_Notes

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sphery:

that will catch you up to 0.21-fixes :)

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sphery:

galorin: but your best bet is to treat it as a first-time-user would--i.e. a lot has changed. Your DB will upgrade nicely, but otherwise, do an install as if you've never used Myth before.

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sphery:

galorin: and, really, I'd recommend (as your a deb user) MythBuntu

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sphery:

you're

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galorin:

sphery: My entire system is dead. All I have left is my single-tuner Hauppage card.

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galorin:

I am tinkering with mythbuntu on a system I rescued from the local recycling point. the mythtv control centre applet looks cool, I like the idea of the disklessfrontend builder,as I have worked with LTSP in the past.

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laga:

galorin: do i know your nick from #ltsp?

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galorin:

would cut down the cost if I do a frontend-backend.

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galorin:

laga:possibly, but it's been a while since I haunted that chan

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galorin:

had a single server and about 5 ltsp clients as a demo for local schools and businesses. Didn't sell a single one. LOL

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hondo:

I added some previously backed-up music files to my /myth/music directory, but Myth is not seeing the new files. perms = 777. I've checked setup several times. Any help?

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cesman:

hondo: did you scan for new music?

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hondo:

cesman, worked like a charm

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hondo:

IMDB was my friend on the video

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cesman:

:)

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gbee:

damn, hate it when that happens – missed the conclusion of a two parter because it had the same subtitle as the first

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gbee:

in this case the second episode just happened to be the final ever episode

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cesman:

doh!

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clever:

doh!

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Dibblah:

doh!

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kormoc:

doh!

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RyeBrye:

(I would have said doh! as well, as the final "doh!" in the series, but I didn't since the previous "doh!" was already read)

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spaceinvader:

gbee: make it compare subtitle AND description?

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nthalk:

Doh!

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sphery:

gbee: since you're the man with the plan, is this what you were imagining for the status page (after moving total to first)? http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/status.png

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sphery:

gbee: I was considering changing it up a bit and dong 2 separate lists... One "Disk Usage Summary:" then one "Disk Usage Details:" Which would you prefer?

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sphery:

(first list would only have the single element--Total section

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castlec:

anybody able to share experience with atom set-ups for a front-end?

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sphery:

My frontend is made up of trillions of atoms... Never tried using just one.

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meshe:

sudo apt-get install mythtv-frontend && mythfrontend

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meshe:

voila

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castlec:

funny people......

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castlec:

I just wonder what they are capable of

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meshe:

worked great on my new asus eee 1000he

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castlec:

1080p capable?

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** kormoc laughs **

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meshe:

i only do SD

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castlec:

i only need 720p but I'd prefer to be ready for 1080p when I decide to use it

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kormoc:

you might be able to have working 1080 with vdpau, but I doubt without it

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castlec:

sorry for my ignorance but what is vdpau?

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kormoc:

http://wiki.mythtv.org/wiki/Vdpau#What_is_it

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spaceinvader:

castlec: it's a bit like XvMC for mpeg4, but only on certain nvidia cards

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janneg:

meshe: oh, could you please paste `dmesg | grep eee`

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kormoc:

spaceinvader, mpeg-1, mpeg-2, h264, and vc-1...

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janneg:

from the 1000he

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meshe:

janneg: sure, give me a min

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sphery:

Anyone have any recommendations for wording on: http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/status-show_auto_expire.png (the "Space Available after auto-expire" section)?

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castlec:

gotcha, in that case, it would require an ion chipset

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kormoc:

Aye

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castlec:

not sure those are available yet are they?

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sphery:

(I did fix the caps on "After Auto-expire")

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meshe:

janneg: http://pastebin.ca/1435561

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meshe:

i haven't installed the eee specific kernel yet

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janneg:

sphery: I think it'll look nicer without the details

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castlec:

so what would be the minimum nv gpu to purchase if I decide to piece one together vs the sweet little atom bare-bones?

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sphery:

janneg: so don't show how much is used by LiveTV and Deleted and (other) Auto-expirable recordings?

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sphery:

I have another patch where I'm moving the Total to the top. Was thinking of breaking it out to another section.

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janneg:

meshe: thanks, does it have a 3G modem? i think not

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meshe:

janneg: no, would be nice, but I just tether it to my iphone

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janneg:

sphery: well, another top section with auto expire details would be fine too

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janneg:

but second list is too much imho

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meshe:

the next model the clamshell is supposed to have a 3g modem, the 1008something

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meshe:

this one does have a "9 hour" battery though, which is why i went for it

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janneg:

meshe: ccording to my interpretion of the control method flags it has one

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janneg:

+a

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meshe:

really...? interesting

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janneg:

and the disassembly of the xandros asus_acpi module agrees

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meshe:

so they just didn't include a sim card slot on it?

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janneg:

meshe: probably bios/acpi table bug in the 1000he

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meshe:

ahhh

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sphery:

janneg: so, something like http://misc.thirdcontact.com/MythTV/status-sh . . . l_at_top.png (mock-up) with Disk 1 stuff repeated for all other disks... Or, you're saying "undent" the LiveTV/Deleted/Auto-expirable stuff?

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janneg:

moving the totals to th top is ok, but the auto expire details should also be under details

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janneg:

except you want to calculate them ultimatelz also per disk

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janneg:

s/z/y/

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sphery:

if we calculate per disk, we have to do a storage group lookup on every single recording

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sphery:

i.e. we don't know which recording is on which disk

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sphery:

that would be very slow

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janneg:

yeah, and it's probably information overkill

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sphery:

yeah... I figured the total available after auto-expire is useful to appease users who complain that using auto-expire prevents them from seeing how much space is available

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sphery:

I guess if we really want autoexpire totals per filesystem, we could have the autoexpire thread save some info in the DB as it does its runs...

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wagnerrp:

i was going to say that, why not just add a couple extra columns to store as the files are recorded

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sphery:

mental note... when sticking some recordings in your dev box in the LiveTV recording group, make sure you also change their starttime/progstart to today.

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wagnerrp:

are they otherwise instantly expired when the backend starts?

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sphery:

I lost one before I remembered.

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sphery:

fortunately, it's a dev box, so they're not important

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sphery:

just means my db backup I keep going back to has a recording that my system doesn't

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wagnerrp:

that reminds me, new parts come today, so i should get the boot image ready

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wagnerrp:

i think i need to update the kernel with some extra network drivers

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sphery:

(I have a 0.21-fixes backup that I use so I can import listings from my production 0.21-fixes box)

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sphery:

fun

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wagnerrp:

maybe audio as well

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wagnerrp:

nothing of consequence, might take all of 10 minutes

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wagnerrp:

i swear, steam has popped up and said it has finished updating TF2 about a dozen times in the last week

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iamlindoro:

I don't know why, I just have no enjoyment with playing FPSes against a human being

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iamlindoro:

Which is not to say that it's wrong, or bad, just not in any way fun to me

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iamlindoro:

maybe because I only play games when I want other people to leave me the heck alone

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iamlindoro:

But wasn't TF2 just updated for like two of the characters? Probably something to do with that?

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wagnerrp:

they added new bonus packs?

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iamlindoro:

Something to do with new features for the spy, and maybe the sniper guy

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wagnerrp:

a couple of the characters have already had bonus packs, where are you do achievements, you get optional weapons

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iamlindoro:

yes, that kind of thing

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wagnerrp:

ill have to check those out

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wagnerrp:

im a halfway decent sniper now, but i used to be a lot better in the TFC days

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