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pac1:

I'm getting "you haven't scheduled any Programs to be Recorded", but I had several before. When I try to reschedule them, nothing happens.

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pac1:

Is there a fix for this?

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Chase_:

I'm trying to run trunk using some qam-256 tuner cards

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Chase_:

I assume I'm supposed to scan for channels first

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Chase_:

but after I did so it said there were 172 conflicting scte channels

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Chase_:

and it wants a new name for every one of them

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Chase_:

is this normal?

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wagnerrp:

the problem is that cable companies dont bother naming their channels, because they dont want anyone to be using them without running through their cableboxes

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Chase_:

so what's the solution?

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wagnerrp:

so you end up with a bunch of generic, unnamed channels

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wagnerrp:

and you have to go through and figure out what they are on your own

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Chase_:

there also certainly aren't 172 unencrypted channels it could have found

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wagnerrp:

possibly

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wagnerrp:

i get about 45 normal channels

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Chase_:

I know there are only about 10 here

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wagnerrp:

when you add in all the local channels, plus cspan, shopping, public access

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wagnerrp:

and then i get another 30 or so audio only channels

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Chase_:

I would rather just import the channels from schedulesdirect, but it doesn't seem to let me

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Chase_:

on the console it complains that I need to scan for channels first

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wagnerrp:

and a bunch of unusable channels that are unencrypted VOD streams

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wagnerrp:

thats because the SD lineup is based off the numbers the cable company gives them

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wagnerrp:

it has nothing to do with the actual broadcast arrangement of the channels

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Chase_:

I understand, but what is the best method for getting the channels into mythtv?

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Chase_:

manually adding them to the db?

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wagnerrp:

you scan them, and then sort through them to figure out what they are

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Chase_:

ugh, I don't want to have to give a name to every single one of them though

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wagnerrp:

thats your only option

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Chase_:

especially when I can't just type '1', I have to type '11111111' to actually get the digit 1....

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wagnerrp:

even if you do it manually through the DB (not recommended) you still have to name them manually

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im not a fan of the onscreen keyboard

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Chase_:

I only have to name the 11 that I know exist

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Chase_:

not all 172 that it "found"

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wagnerrp:

the scanner got a major rewrite a couple weeks back

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wagnerrp:

i imagine its going to get tuned and cleaned up a bit more before the release

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Chase_:

ok

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Chase_:

that makes sense

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wagnerrp:

the old scanner had some issues with handling encrypted QAM channels

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wagnerrp:

it would leave out a lot of stuff

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wagnerrp:

but the new one really gives too much

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Chase_:

so what fields must I fill in in the channels table so mythtv will pick them up when I try to add channels to the db

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wagnerrp:

dont know, never added them manually myself

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Chase_:

hmmm

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wagnerrp:

editing the database directly is never recommended.... but then again trunk isnt recommended for anyone not comfortable with getting their hands dirty anyway

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dibbz:

mm

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duffrecords:

I'm trying to manually add some ota channels via mysql but there are 2 fields I can't find. anyone in here from Southern CA?

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duffrecords:

I found most of what I need on tvfool.com but I still need the mplexid and serviceid

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Dagmar:

Editing the database manually for any reason is not recommended.

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duffrecords:

well, the channel scanner is terrible, so I'm resorting to hacks

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duffrecords:

I know mysql, I just don't know some of the channel info

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mike_hurley:

this isn't really a mythtv question, but a htpc w/ir remote question...has anybody had trouble with another remote locking up the ir receiver for the htpc remote? i've noticed the tv remote at times cause the receiver to show a solid red LED and not accept input. Any thoughts?

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Chase_:

I think I've enabled vdpau, but I'm not sure

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Chase_:

what do I need to look for in the mythfrontend log

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Chase_:

to tell me that it is using vdpau

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wagnerrp:

CPU usage

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Chase_:

cause it's still using 20% on a core i7

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Chase_:

that doesn't sound like vdpau to me

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wagnerrp:

play something, and if youre running more than 5%, youre not using VDPAU

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Chase_:

yeah...

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Chase_:

so how do I figure out why it's not using vdpau?

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Chase_:

I tried to add a playback profile for vdpau

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wagnerrp:

you have to go back into playback options, and tell it to use VDPAU rather than one of the other mechanisms

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Chase_:

but it wouldn't let me add any entries into the profile

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Chase_:

yeah, that's what I tried to do

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wagnerrp:

so change an existing entry

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wagnerrp:

the multiple entries really only exist either to fall over when your video isnt support in one option, or to tune more intensive video for less intensive decoding

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wagnerrp:

with an i7, there is really no reason to be using anything besides ffmpeg/xv-blit

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wagnerrp:

there is nothing available any i7 wont be able to encode

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wagnerrp:

s/encode/decode/

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wagnerrp:

someone on -users just suggested mythtv drop their frontend in favor of mythbox.... this should prove interesting/comical

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Chase_:

I want vdpau for the supposed great deinterlacing

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Chase_:

I see this in the log file "AFD: Opened codec 0x40282b0, id(MPEGVIDEO_VDPAU) type(Video)"

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Chase_:

makes me think it is using vdpau

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Chase_:

but the proc usage seems high

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wagnerrp:

what video drivers do you have installed?

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Chase_:

although what I'm really saying is 20% on one hyperthreaded core

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Chase_:

nvidia 180

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, Especially as it lacks scheduling, settings, recording profile manipulation, etc.

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp, It can watch live TV, play recordings, and look at the EPG-- yep, that's all the frontend does all right... *sigh*

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Chase_:

overall, top says 3%us, so if that's what people are looking at, then I'm convinced

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wagnerrp:

it says 'mythfrontend' is using 20%? because i get about 5% on my P3 800

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wagnerrp:

and 2–3 on my A64 2000

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sphery:

iamlindoro: after all, doesn't everyone create recording schedules by hand-editing DB records?

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sphery:

(OK, so a lot use MythWeb, but still...)

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Usually it's just people who want to wait for XBMC to have DVR frontend functionlity, first time I've seen someone want to throw out myth frontend for a python script

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wagnerrp:

gbee is just crazy bothering with all that work on a new UI

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iamlindoro:

(then again, myth is pretty much just 1100 lines of perl)

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sphery:

though I have to admit that--AFAIU--a person who understood FOSS would be willing to rewrite the entire frontend in Python

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sphery:

as well as MythWeb, of course

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clever:

how would python handle video decoding?

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sphery:

why would that be important?

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sphery:

It's FOSS, you know

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wagnerrp:

same way it handles anything else, by trying to take over the world

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iamlindoro:

import videodecode

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iamlindoro:

import videoplayback

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iamlindoro:

done

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sphery:

(BTW, that statement is a reference to something that kormoc was told to do by some user who never contributed anything.)

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wagnerrp:

yeah, i think weve all heard the story (well maybe not Chase_)

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sphery:

didn't seem like clever did

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wagnerrp:

well i just ordered some upgraded parts so i can ditch the old P3

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wagnerrp:

should only have a handful of files i cant play without VDPAU

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wagnerrp:

well the new machine in the front should play them, but the old machine from the front is moving to the back, and will struggle on some files

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wagnerrp:

i should be able to clone my existing machine onto the new hardware directly

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wagnerrp:

no need to install

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wagnerrp:

all together, this is looking to be a 20min job to swap everything and get myth back online

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wagnerrp:

so it will only take... 2 hours?

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Chase_:

wagnerrp, I see that when idle, mythtv still takes 14% according to top

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Chase_:

I wonder if it isn't a attributable to bad stats when using hyperthreading

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Chase_:

though one would think it would still mean 7% use when idle

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wagnerrp:

thats possible, i have no idea what linux thinks of hyperthreading

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Chase_:

actually, I see it finally stopped using the processor

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Chase_:

maybe there was a rogue thread?

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Chase_:

I can tell I'm gonna have fun using my main mythtv as my dev platform ...

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wagnerrp:

hopefully just a frontend

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Chase_:

nope, front and back

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Dagmar:

I smell failure incoming

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wagnerrp:

ideally, you dont want your backend running on something of which you have the possibility to break

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wagnerrp:

im interested to see what AMD now packages with their chips

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wagnerrp:

the ones they used to ship with their X2s were pretty high grade

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wagnerrp:

(heatsinks)

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Dagmar:

The last two I got were quite nice

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Dagmar:

The important thing being is that if you use their HSF they dont ask a lot of questions about warranties

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wagnerrp:

the one on my A64 singlecore was alright, what i would expect stock

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wagnerrp:

but the dualcores at work, and my old DC opteron came with a fairly impressive heatsink

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Dagmar:

If you use your own, and you do like Dell does, you're probably going to be told you violated your warranty

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wagnerrp:

something i would expect to pay $30-$35 for aftermarket

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Dagmar:

That still kills me

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Dagmar:

One of their little optiplexes died here at work last week

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wagnerrp:

fairly large, 80mm fan, heatpipes and all

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Dagmar:

One of those cute little SFF dealies. We've got a lot of them, and they seem to die a lot

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Dagmar:

I pulled this one apart, looked at the HSF...

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Dagmar:

The heat sink is a pretty reasonable "mostly copper" heat pipe spreader thing like youd' expect

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Dagmar:

However, they had a disgusting morass of about 1mm thick heat sink compound in there

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Dagmar:

Like, NO EFFING WONDER it died

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Dagmar:

That grey goo had hardened, dried, and was basically ticking away like a time bomb

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wagnerrp:

retail chips ive bought have had a fairly thick layer of goo

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Dagmar:

it's not a good idea

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wagnerrp:

although i usually scrape it off, and rub it down with a credit card and AS5

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wagnerrp:

that stuff lasts forever if you put it on properly thin

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wagnerrp:

im not even halfway through a 6-yr old stick

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Dagmar:

Exactly, thin is good

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Dagmar:

No squishy compound is going to conduct heat as well as bare metal on metal

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Dagmar:

When there's a lot of it on there and it starts drying out and shrinking/cracking, you're better off taking your chances with cleaning it all out and running bare for awhile

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clever:

but you cant get perfect contact between 2 peices of metal, so you need something to fill the gaps

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Dagmar:

The stuff is only supposed to be there to fill in the gaps where people are too lazy to sand their HSF mirror smooth etc

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elmojo:

Chase_: one of the devs also noticed higher than expected CPU usage when idling and it was due to the CPU entering a low-power state

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clever:

which is where the thin layer comes ou

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clever:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

looks like the Ci7s can drop to a 2.5x multiplies (375MHz)... lot lower than the C2Ds could do

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elmojo:

cool

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wagnerrp:

no... 333MHz, the 375 was from someone's overclocked FSB

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wagnerrp:

looks like my C2D only drops to 6x (from 11x)

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wilberfan:

Yikes...i just notice on my new myth install, I can't enter a channel number into the Manual Recording Scheduler!

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wilberfan:

*noticed*

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wilberfan:

That box won't respond to keyboard or remote...

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wilberfan:

any thoughts on what might be causing that? it'll put a SERIOUS dent in my recording!

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crawfordcomeaux:

Is there a way to find out what channels are available over clear QAM or ATSC in my area?

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crawfordcomeaux:

And can I get ATSC via Dish Network or do I need to setup an antenna for that?

[05:50:11]

wagnerrp:

myth cannot record digital off of Dish

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wagnerrp:

and for local ATSC and QAM channels, check out silicondust.com

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iamlindoro:

Heh, so I played through the Ur Quan Masters (Star Control 2 Port) tonight, and was slightly surprised to see my name in the credits

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iamlindoro:

Forgot I did some OS X port/packaging stuff like four years ago

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wagnerrp:

they get updated lists each time someone runs a scan on their HDHR

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crawfordcomeaux:

thanks wagnerrp

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crawfordcomeaux:

and that's ok if myth can't record digital from Dish. I'm actually asking in here because it seems like the best place to ask on freenode.

[05:55:28]

crawfordcomeaux:

I'm just wondering if I can hook up my Dish line to my tuner card and get ATSC channels from it or if I need to go buy an antenna.

[05:56:14]

RyeBrye:

hd-pvr would record from dish

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wagnerrp:

and use your dish as a high gain antenna?

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wagnerrp:

you can probably use the dish as a reflector, but youll have to swap out the LNB

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crawfordcomeaux:

probably just easier to buy an antenna?

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** crawfordcomeaux has no clue what he's doing, fyi **

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wagnerrp:

unless all your stations come from one direction from a long distance away

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crawfordcomeaux:

ah...that makes sense

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crawfordcomeaux:

Any idea how much a proper antenna might cost me?

[06:00:40]

wagnerrp:

what range?

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crawfordcomeaux:

what ranges are the major price breaks at?

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wagnerrp:

anything within 10–15mi, and you can probably get by with a pair of bunny ears

[06:02:15]

wagnerrp:

check out antennaweb.org for transmitter positions

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crawfordcomeaux:

lol...thanks for that link

[06:04:14]

crawfordcomeaux:

I just googled the call letters for each of the stations that popped up on silicondust

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crawfordcomeaux:

there's only one that's just over 30 miles away.

[06:08:57]

crawfordcomeaux:

So here's the goal: my aunt and uncle have a small side business recording clips of local news broadcasts for people that request them and pay for them burned onto a DVD.

[06:09:27]

wagnerrp:

thats not exactly legal

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crawfordcomeaux:

I'm looking to setup a computer for them to record several channels simultaneously.

[06:10:17]

crawfordcomeaux:

I don't remember what his response was when I said that same thing, but I do know that the channels he records refer people to him.

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wagnerrp:

so he has permission from the broadcasters?

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crawfordcomeaux:

I assume so.

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crawfordcomeaux:

They aren't the types to be running some kind of piracy-based business, especially since he works for one of the stations.

[06:12:48]

crawfordcomeaux:

They've been doing this for a couple years now, but they're recording using 2 dual tuner dish STBs that seem to have a problem with deleting some recordings when they burn clips. So they're looking for a more reliable solution.

[06:13:38]

wagnerrp:

myth will do exactly what you want

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crawfordcomeaux:

I know :)

[06:14:07]

wagnerrp:

can they get into their attic?

[06:14:22]

crawfordcomeaux:

unsure. why?

[06:14:39]

crawfordcomeaux:

to plant a pole to mount the antenna?

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wagnerrp:

the higher up you are, and less structure between the outside and the antenna, the better reception

[06:15:06]

wagnerrp:

one common setup is to run a network line up to the attic, and plant a HDHR and an antenna up there

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crawfordcomeaux:

HDHR?

[06:15:22]

wagnerrp:

the HDHR is a network-attached dual ATSC tuner

[06:15:39]

crawfordcomeaux:

how much do those run?

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wagnerrp:

theyre a bit pricey, usually $150–160

[06:16:02]

wagnerrp:

i got mine on sale for $120

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crawfordcomeaux:

I think I'll stick with a couple of hauppauge tuner cards. Especially since they won't require a trip to the attic for troubleshooting.

[06:17:12]

wagnerrp:

im comparison, my 1250 (single pcie tuner) was $50, but then you have to run a coax line all the way to the computer

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wagnerrp:

the idea being that you keep the coax line as short as possible

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wagnerrp:

to minimize attenuation

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crawfordcomeaux:

Well if we're looking to split that at least once, then we'll need a signal booster. Wouldn't that remedy that issue?

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wagnerrp:

to some extent

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wagnerrp:

you can also get a remote power switch, but those tend to be very expensive

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crawfordcomeaux:

what kind of issues could I expect from running coax the whole way through?

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wagnerrp:

or you could just wire up a power switch to an outlet up there

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wagnerrp:

anything goes wrong, flip the switch and reset the tuners

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crawfordcomeaux:

to reboot the box? ah ok

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crawfordcomeaux:

Ok. I'm sold.

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wagnerrp:

i have one, and its never given me any problems

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wagnerrp:

but then i dont use it with an antenna

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wagnerrp:

i have mine hooked up to the cable line

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wagnerrp:

so signal strength isnt really an issue

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crawfordcomeaux:

to get clear QAM channels over cable, you have to be signed on with a provider, right?

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wagnerrp:

you just have to have a basic cable account

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wagnerrp:

since its clear, everyone on the network gets it

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crawfordcomeaux:

right

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wagnerrp:

and that includes your broadcast channels, usually in HD, and usually the shopping, c-span, and public access channels

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wagnerrp:

you may additionally receive some or all of extended channels

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crawfordcomeaux:

is there any reason to go with ATSC over clear QAM, if channel selection isn't an issue?

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wagnerrp:

the cablecos often recompress the streams to cram more channels into their lineup

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crawfordcomeaux:

what's the end result?

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wagnerrp:

and they can re-order channels without warning

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wagnerrp:

im satisfied with the quality i get off of it

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wagnerrp:

but occasionally i drop a channel, and have to rescan to figure out where they repositioned it

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crawfordcomeaux:

hmmm ok

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crawfordcomeaux:

I'll leave that up to my uncle to decide what it is he wants to deal with. Doesn't seem like there'd be much of a price difference between the two setups, though.

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wagnerrp:

well its the price of the antennas

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wagnerrp:

depending on how many devices you have on cable, you may end up needing an amp for that anyway

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wagnerrp:

the cable feed is usually good for 4–6 devices before you have to amplify it

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crawfordcomeaux:

yeah, already figured the amp would be part of either setup

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wagnerrp:

note that most dual tuners have two inputs, so they still count as two devices

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crawfordcomeaux:

right

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crawfordcomeaux:

I was looking at the hauppauge cards with dual tuners on the single input, though.

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wagnerrp:

what card would that be?

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crawfordcomeaux:

Ideally, I'd like this whole thing to be as simple for them to use as possible, that way I'm not getting calls to help troubleshoot.

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crawfordcomeaux:

WinTV-HVR-2250

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wagnerrp:

two tuners, two inputs

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wagnerrp:

oh, nevermind

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wagnerrp:

one tv, one radio

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crawfordcomeaux:

right

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wagnerrp:

well the 2250 just recently got drivers for linux

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crawfordcomeaux:

I may not know too much, but I can at least read ;)

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wagnerrp:

the driver writer was in here a couple days ago questioning about some possible bug with the 64-bit version

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wagnerrp:

he only had 32-bit systems to test it on

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wagnerrp:

backend lockups or segfaults or something

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crawfordcomeaux:

well since cost is a factor, we're not looking for some kind of powerhouse workstation.

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wagnerrp:

you cant buy 32-bit systems anymore (except for low power stuff like the atom and via chips)

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crawfordcomeaux:

discount/refurb stuff is all over the place

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wagnerrp:

of course theres nothing stopping you from running 32-bit linux on 64-bit systems

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Supaplex:

my solar calculator isn't 32bit

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Supaplex:

but I don't plan to watch tv on it.

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wagnerrp:

meh... spend $300, get a nice new system to run this on

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crawfordcomeaux:

that's true, too.

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crawfordcomeaux:

http://www.pacificgeek.com/nooner.asp?P=SS – what do you guys think about this offer?

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crawfordcomeaux:

or should I just get a newer dual core system and be done with it?

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wagnerrp:

the old P4 xeons are low and power hungry

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wagnerrp:

you would be much better served just getting a new A64X2 or C2D

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crawfordcomeaux:

well ok then. seems like my research has come to a stopping point.

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crawfordcomeaux:

thanks a ton, wagnerrp

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Captain_Murdoch:

that dual xeon system will cost him more in power the first year than he'd pay to buy the system. I just decommissioned one myself.

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kaeles:

not really the right place, but I thought someone here might know, on the mythbuntu diskless client system, is the mythdvd temp folder mounted from the NBD server over the network, I'm wondering so that if it is, I can replace the stuff with gigabit for faster ripping, cause I have about 150 dvd I need to archive into my myth system :P

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gbee:

So who in my absence got all excited over the news that Hulu is launching in the UK? (Even though it won't carry the us programming .... :p )

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lyricnz:

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Nightchill:

hi

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Nightchill:

i'm having an error with mythv, everytime it starts it shows blank blue screen with light blue highlights

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Nightchill:

here's how it looks, http://i39.tinypic.com/24zg8w4.png

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gbee:

missing fonts probably, that would be the first startup language selection screen

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Nightchill:

oh. what fonts does myth use?

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highno:

Hi guys. Anyone up to fix a problem with my mythbuntu setup, having a live tv on first start of LiveTV screen but escaping it and reentering it mythtv no longer tunes into a single station?

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Dibblah:

Nightchill: Is this installed from packages?

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Nightchill:

yes, arch linux

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Dibblah:

Pastebin mythfrontend log.

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Nightchill:

give me a moment

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Nightchill:

Dibblah: http://pastebin.com/m4416c2b7

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Dibblah:

Fix your database error.

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Nightchill:

ah ok

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Nightchill:

i'll just add myth to db users

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Essobi:

Morning

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f0urty5:

anyone around here knowledgable about ground loopps?

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laga:

pro-tip #1: avoid them.

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f0urty5:

lol...

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f0urty5:

I get a hum in my speakers _only_ when I hook up my tuner to its source

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f0urty5:

but I looked, and the cable demarc is grounded to the meter

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f0urty5:

(which I would think would be a semi-proper way to ground it...

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f0urty5:

although I dont recall a ground spike from the meter... I think thats by the breaker panel

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bbeattie:

what is the compilation column in the music_albums for?

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sphery:

f0urty5: There was lots of discussion of ground loops/fixing them/how you can get them when you don't think you have them on the -users list. I completely ignored them because I don't seem to have one (yet :). I'm sure you could find them easily enough by searching for "ground loop" (likely with quotes) on the archive. http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/

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sphery:

bbeattie: It indicates it's a compilation album, like The Best of the 80's, which generally has multiple artists. Don't think it was taken to the point that some desired, but it's supposed to make it easier for storing data about those types of albums.

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bbeattie:

I was wondering.. I noticed viewing music in the web module shows a different album for each artist when they're all from the same album, and I noticed the compilation flag wasn't set. Does myth's music scanner read the id3 info for this or how can I "fix" this situation so all albums with multiple artists show up as one album in the web? Do I just need to set the id3 compilation flag? Is myth broken? something else?

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f0urty5:

sphery: ty.

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gbee:

bbeattie: mythmusic reads the compilation flag, but since there is no standard for this in ID3 different software uses a different field for the info – we use one of the most common fields

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bbeattie:

is that either the flag set in itunes or easytag (linux)?

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gbee:

no idea what field either of those use

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wagnerrp:

damn you Johnny... making a cool, logical response to a thread that should have become an amusing flamewar

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wagnerrp:

bbeattie: i know winamp has an 'album artist' field available, so i did some digging

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wagnerrp:

like gbee said, there is no specific field for such

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wagnerrp:

winamp, itunes, and wmp improperly task 'TPE2' for it, while its supposed to be used for the orchestra or accompaniment

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sphery:

throwing out our cars in favor of segways... nice analog, iamlindoro

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iamlindoro:

sphery: Hope that's not facetiouts, I thought it was apropo :)

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iamlindoro:

er facetious

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gbee:

iirc TPE4, but I'd have to check to be sure

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wagnerrp:

the other option is using the user defined 'TXXX' field, but then you run into problems with non-standard user field tags

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wagnerrp:

gbee: im looking at this thread, http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=259523

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sphery:

iamlindoro: I meant it... I think it's a great comparison.

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wagnerrp:

anyway, TPE2 is basically 'the band'

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wagnerrp:

and WMA and M4A use a 'BAND' tag for album artist

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wagnerrp:

so it has stuck for the big windows three

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wilberfan:

hmm. my 'live tv' doesn't start. screen goes blank for a second, but then the menu comes back...

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wilberfan:

pvr-350

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meshe:

check your backend logs

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NavY-Seal:

hi all a stupid enough question ... if i want to use mythtv as a dvr what capture card do i need a pvr or a hvr and if u guys can sugest me a good hd one that has been tested please

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wilberfan:

meshe, where are those kept...?

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meshe:

wilberfan: depends on your distro/how you installed it

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wilberfan:

maybe /var/log/mythtv/mythbackend.log ? :)

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meshe:

that would be it

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wilberfan:

meshe, ah...the old 'permission denied' error.... I've seen that before..but i forget how i fixed it...

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meshe:

chown mythtv: /path/to/my/recordings/directory

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wilberfan:

meshe, that was my next question... so mythtv has to be the owner... Can *I* be the owner (since I'm in the mythtv group?

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meshe:

the : on the end sets the group ownership to mythtv also

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wilberfan:

ah... thanks!

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wilberfan:

:D

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meshe:

and no, it doesn't work that way, mythtv would have to be in your group

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wilberfan:

meshe, well...the screen stays black longer now...but still comes back to menu...

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wilberfan:

ProgramInfo, Error: GetPlaybackURL: '1003_20090522085919.mpg' should be local, but it can not be found.

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duffrecords:

what's a good app for reading OTA signal strength in real time? the MythTV wiki describes hdhomerun_config, but I don't have an HDHomeRun tuner; it's a Hauppauge card.

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wilberfan:

MPEGRec(/dev/video0) Error: error reading from: /dev/video0

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wilberfan:

eno: Input/output error (5)

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wilberfan:

MythSocket(b22049a0:-1): writeStringList: Error, socket went unconnected.

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laga:

duffrecords: femon

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wagnerrp:

NavY-Seal: what do you want to record?

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NavY-Seal:

wagnerrp: i have a time warner cable so i want to use it as a dvr insted of paying time warner wor theri stupid dvr service

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wagnerrp:

so... analog or digital cable?

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NavY-Seal:

digital

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wagnerrp:

youll need a QAM tuner, check the list at linuxtv.org to see whats available with support under linux

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wagnerrp:

note that with a QAM tuner, you will only be able to receive unencrypted channels

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meshe:

wilberfan: not sure whats causing that, give it a reboot

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wagnerrp:

to go silicondust.com for a list of what you should expect, searchable by ZIP code

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wilberfan:

!paste

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wagnerrp:

for anything encrypted, you will need to rent a STB, and use an analog capture card

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wilberfan:

meshe, oh, thanks... I was just about to post more of the same... brb

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kormoc:

!paste ?

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wagnerrp:

you want an IVTV card (hauppauge PVR) for capturing analog, or if youre willing to spend a bit of money and are comfortable with linux, you might try an HDPVR and mythtv-trunk

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duffrecords:

where can I find a man page for femon? Google is returning a bunch of Star Wars-related links

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kormoc:

man femon?

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duffrecords:

no man page on my system

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kormoc:

then it likely doesn't have one if it doesn't ship with the package

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duffrecords:

anyone know the home page?

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sphery:

search femon dvb

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kormoc:

granted, it's not even a mythtv app, shouldn't you be asking in #vdr?

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wilberfan:

It's WORRRRRRKINGGGGGGG! :D :D :D

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meshe:

:)

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duffrecords:

I hadn't heard of VDR until laga mentioned femon a few minutes ago

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wilberfan:

"All Hail, meshe !"

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duffrecords:

if there's an equivalent MythTV app, that's what I'd like to use

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wilberfan:

thanks, bud! 'preciate it...

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wagnerrp:

i know mythtv has a built in signal monitor, but i dont know off hand how to call it up

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laga:

femon is part of VDR?

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janneg:

VDR has a femon plugin

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duffrecords:

my antenna probably only needs a little nudge. there are a couple of channels I used to get before I redid my system, so I know the signal is there

[16:47:43]

janneg:

and there's the femon command line utitily from dvb-apps

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duffrecords:

yeah, I have that utility. but I'm not sure how to use it correctly

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wagnerrp:

well anyone who still has faith in seagate, Dell has a 2-pack 1.5TB for $200 AC

[16:51:18]

wagnerrp:

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?sduid=0&t=136961

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duffrecords:

when I run femon -H I get a bunch of 0% signals and 0% SNR. the SNR in the Myth frontend shows about 2.4 dB. it's very low, I realize, but it's good enough for HDTV to come through with no issues. so I need a signal monitor that displays it in decibels, rather than percentage

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sphery:

link was missing a 2: http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?s . . . mp;t=1362961

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wagnerrp:

yeah....

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** wagnerrp cannot type out links **

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sphery:

now you've got me wondering if I should get some

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sphery:

(to replace my other 1.5TB Seagates when they fail :)

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wagnerrp:

AFAIK, these should have new firmwares and *should* be safe

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sphery:

yeah... I got some with the old firmware and it was easy enough to upgrade the firmware

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sphery:

my main problem is lack of SATA... considering replacing my old Athlon XP era backends with newer, more power-efficient systems with SATA on the mobo

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NavY-Seal:

[12:30] <wagnerrp> so... analog or digital cable?

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NavY-Seal:

[12:34] <NavY-Seal> digital

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NavY-Seal:

sorry i got disconected

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wagnerrp:

NavY-Seal: what was the last thing you saw?

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NavY-Seal:

what i just pasted

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wagnerrp:

youll need a QAM tuner, check the list at linuxtv.org to see whats available with support under linux

[17:01:53]

wagnerrp:

note that with a QAM tuner, you will only be able to receive unencrypted channels

[17:02:01]

wagnerrp:

go to silicondust.com for a list of what you should expect, searchable by ZIP code

[17:02:07]

wagnerrp:

for anything encrypted, you will need to rent a STB, and use an analog capture card

[17:02:12]

wagnerrp:

you want an IVTV card (hauppauge PVR) for capturing analog, or if youre willing to spend a bit of money and are comfortable with linux, you might try an HDPVR and mythtv-trunk

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wagnerrp:

bah... forgot to pick up an HDMI cable with the upgrade yesterday

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sphery:

some idiot web developer at sourceforge.net changed their login page to have a 13-char limit on username--which is bad for those of us whose usernames (for the accounts we've been using for >5yrs) are >13chars...

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sid3windr:

13 characters should be enough for anybody

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NavY-Seal:

wi am an mcse know basics in linux never played enough with it but what is this STB and how much it would cost to rent it any webpages where i can search abt it

[17:07:31]

wagnerrp:

STB = set top box... generic cable box

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sphery:

sid3windr: not when they recommend(ed--at least when I signed up) using e-mail addresses

[17:07:47]

wagnerrp:

cable goes in, video goes out

[17:08:11]

wagnerrp:

you dont need a full DVR, but you need the cableco's STB for the crypto hardware

[17:09:20]

NavY-Seal:

since i have one for my TV i can use that one am i right ?

[17:09:31]

wagnerrp:

sort of

[17:09:50]

wagnerrp:

if you intend to continue using it for TV, you should really get a second one for mythtv to record off of

[17:09:59]

wagnerrp:

mythtv really needs dedicated hardware

[17:10:13]

sid3windr:

=)

[17:11:10]

wagnerrp:

is there any reason to get thick gauge HDMI cables?

[17:11:27]

wagnerrp:

(24AWG vs. 28AWG)

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janneg:

wagnerrp: depends mainly on the lenght

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wagnerrp:

10'

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p:

stupid cable internet

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p:

:@@ grrrrrrrrrrr

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janneg:

that shouldn't be a problem with thin wires

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Guest75757:

[13:09] <wagnerrp> sort of

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Guest75757:

[13:11] <NavY-Seal> sort of meaning ? sorry for my miss informations first time trying smth like this

[17:13:51]

wagnerrp:

sort of meaning mythtv really wants dedicated hardware

[17:14:09]

wagnerrp:

if you intend to continue using the current STB for tv viewing, you need a second STB for mythtv

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wagnerrp:

if all future TV viewing will be going through myth, then dont worry about it

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Guest75757:

that is what i can do since i have 2 STB i can conect mythtv to my badroom TV and use mythtv as a tv viewing

[17:16:12]

Guest75757:

since i use that tv only at night

[17:17:16]

wagnerrp:

oof... bargin ground shipping is more than the cable itself

[17:17:34]

wagnerrp:

its not even shipping, they put it in a bag and put it in the mail

[17:18:43]

Guest75757:

so coax from cable company to STB from STB coax to hauppauge HDPVR and from the card HDMI to the TV am i corect ?

[17:19:18]

wagnerrp:

from STB, component to HDPVR, or svideo to some other capture device

[17:20:19]

duffrecords:

oh hey, just FYI, I figured out that running femon without the -H (human-readable) flag, I can see the signal level in hex (now I can read extremely low levels)

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gbee:

wagnerrp: sorry, got called away, but I was about to link to the official standard – http://www.id3.org/id3v2.4.0-frames – we use TPE4 (Interpreted, remixed, or otherwise modified by) which IMHO was a better fit than TPE2 (Band/Orchestra)

[17:31:27]

wagnerrp:

yeah, i was looking at that page earlier

[17:31:28]

gbee:

and it's also used by a few linux apps, just don't happen to remember which atm

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wagnerrp:

'we' as in mythtv?

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gbee:

aye, mythmusic reads/saves compilation info to that field

[17:32:16]

wagnerrp:

know of any applications that could do a mass copy from TPE2 to TPE4?

[17:32:33]

wagnerrp:

most of my stuff is cleaned up and tagged in winamp

[17:33:05]

gbee:

in interests of avoiding a long drawn out argument I'd probably be willing to accept a patch which uses both fields – but for obvious reasons I wouldn't want to swap to using just TPE2

[17:33:33]

gbee:

we already had a guy who was pushing for the switch to yet another field entirely

[17:33:48]

wagnerrp:

ill make no argument, i have no opinion on the matter, besides getting it to work with my files

[17:34:18]

wagnerrp:

yeah, like said in the linked thread, foobar uses a custom field in TXXX

[17:34:24]

gbee:

I could write a quick app to convert using taglib, if I get time over the weekend ...

[17:34:49]

wagnerrp:

i think ill just look into patching it to search both fields

[17:34:56]

wagnerrp:

should be fairly simple

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duffrecords:

is there a way to increase the number of milliseconds before the "scan" utility times out?

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wagnerrp:

i think you can set that in the tuner options in mythtv-setup

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wagnerrp:

you mean the mythtv stuff, not the dvb-tools 'scan' right?

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duffrecords:

dvb-tools

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duffrecords:

I'm using the command line at the moment

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Guest75757:

wagnerrp: sorry but i got confused is mythtv able to change the channels in the STB through the component or svideo?

[17:39:42]

wagnerrp:

Guest49166: no, you use an IR blaster

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wagnerrp:

basically an ir transmitter taped over the receiver on the STB

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wagnerrp:

alternatively, you can try to get an STB that supports firewire

[17:40:29]

wagnerrp:

you can change channels using firewire, and you may be able to pull video off firewire as well (but encryption comes into play again)

[17:40:56]

wagnerrp:

note that different content will be encrypted on firewire than was encrypted over QAM

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Guest75757:

wawww this got to complicated i have to study this a little bit more before i decide to purchase anythin

[18:03:37]

Dagmar:

Smart man

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Dagmar:

You'd be amazed how many people come in hear and cry at us because they spent their last $200 on some stuff they've no idea what it is or does

[18:04:19]

Dagmar:

..and all we can say is stuff like "If you want to use that card you'll have to move to Europe, dude"

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kormoc:

Sadly most people don't follow the move to Europe advice...

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Guest75757:

lool u read in internet convert your pc in to a dvr but there is no technical info i went to where wagnerrp told me at silicondust.com and all the channels that are unecrypted are crap none of what i want to record now that encryptin and STB got involved is totaly a different story i have to realise more hot to make this STB/PVR/IR blast configuration work for my purpouse i asume mythtv website should be a start

[18:15:47]

Dagmar:

TL;DR

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wagnerrp:

wha?

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kormoc:

I always assumed the Elite Special Forces could spell better....

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Guest75757:

not a native english speaker sorry :(

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wagnerrp:

but you were so understandable just a moment ago

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iamlindoro:

Freenode cut off most of his nick

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iamlindoro:

Lithuanian Navy Seal Trainer

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Guest75757:

hahahah not even close to Lithuania ... i will try to do my best in spelling ... sorry again guys

[18:19:16]

wagnerrp:

anyway, you have two options for capturing encrypted digital cable

[18:19:37]

wagnerrp:

capture over analog, or capture using Vista MCE and a cablecard tuner

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wagnerrp:

the latter requires you buy your computer prebuilt from an OEM, and that the video pass back through the tuner to be decrypted every time you want to play it

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Pio:

i'm considering writing a wxpython GUI app to export videos out of mythtv.. kind of like nuvexport but with a GUI and encoding queue etc..

[18:42:36]

gbee:

interesting, BBC Music reviews are licensed CC ... can't see a way to exploit that for myth unfortunately

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wagnerrp:

are you not allowed to scrape them?

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Pio:

my question is, does anyone know of any python modules to provide functionality similar to MythTV.pm?

[18:43:45]

wagnerrp:

arent there python bindings for myth?

[18:44:05]

Pio:

i guess thats what im asking

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wilberfan:

anyone know why my keyboard loses focus on the mythtv screen? I've got a dual-monitor setup (CRT-TV / LCD Monitor).

[18:45:32]

wilberfan:

Once it does, I can only move left/right/up/down.. can't select "ok" to quit, or "yes to all" on media manager etc...

[18:46:36]

wilberfan:

it's the one (mostly) remaining thing between me and an awesome myth setup! :)

[18:47:35]

gbee:

wagnerrp: we can scrape them legally, but I'm not sure how much interest there would be in having reviews available for albums you already own. It might be better for a music shopping plugin but no such thing exists and writing something that works with a variety of stores/countries would be challenging

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AndyCap:

wilberfan: are you running a window manager? seem to remember some people having problems when not using a WM

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wagnerrp:

the no window manager problem was from people opening external applications from mythtv, like mplayer from mythvideo

[18:56:19]

wagnerrp:

but i assume with a dual monitor setup, hes using a WM, and using the machine like a desktop

[18:56:54]

sphery:

Pio: there are preliminary python bindings for Myth, but they need work

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Pio:

i have my lirc remote control set up so i can move the mouse cursor with it.. so when the mythtv loses focus, i can use the remote to get focus back

[18:57:39]

sphery:

Pio: if you are really interested, you'd probably have to bring the bindings up to speed with the perl bindings

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Pio:

sphery, for just exporting recordings with mythtranscode, i shouldnt really need to talk to the backend at all right? im thinking i can get all the info i need from mysql

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sphery:

note that they've changed a bit (including where they're at) in trunk and there are a couple of tickets with patches/additions to them in Trac, IIRC

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Pio:

got a url to that?

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sphery:

best I can suggest is to search at http://svn.mythtv.org/

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Pio:

k

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wagnerrp:

svn_branch_root/mythtv/bindings/python

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sphery:

I'm likely to miss some of the important ones as I don't really pay attention to the Python bindings stuff

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JosefAssad:

moin

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Pio:

yeah this looks pretty useful

[19:02:12]

JosefAssad:

when I run mythfilldatabase --manual the first time, the backend needs to be started or stopped?

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wagnerrp:

doesnt matter

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JosefAssad:

hm.

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JosefAssad:

Because it just sits there doing nothing

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JosefAssad:

It's obviously me doing something wrog, but I'm not sure what.

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wagnerrp:

well, the procedure for XMLTV may be different, ive never used it

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wilberfan:

AndyCap, I'm using xfce...is that what you mean?

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wilberfan:

AndyCap, is that 'gdm', or...? (I've forgotten at the moment which WM runs in xfce...)

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lammert:

ppl i've did a search on gossamer but couldn't find a satisfying answer and numbers of google thries didn't help me either.

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lammert:

this the error i get FE_GET_INFO ioctl failed (/dev/dvb/adapter1/frontend0)

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lammert:

made a capture card, made a videosource tied them together at input connections

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lammert:

then i would like to preform a channel scan and i

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lammert:

m only getting failed to open card

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JosefAssad:

ok, so the first screen in the myth-setup General section, you can enter host/ip and port. Shouldn't the second one determine what port the backend listens on? Because I enter 6543 and it listens on 6549

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justinh:

you shouldn't even have to touch any of those settings – usually a good reason they already come with sensible defaults

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JosefAssad:

First time around I left them at 6543. Then I netstated and noticed the backend on 6549

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JosefAssad:

*sigh*

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Dagmar:

If you have to ask questions about it, don't change it.

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justinh:

I doubt that very much somehow

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Dagmar:

The thing listens on more than one port

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laga:

maybe upnp on 6549?

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laga:

or the telnet control?

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Dagmar:

That.

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laga:

which doesn't apply to the BE, of course

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Dagmar:

Get it completely running, THEN find new and interesting ways to break it by changing things

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JosefAssad:

I honestly don't know enough to say precisely what is listening there. netstat says the process is called mythbackend. Whether that's telnet control or upnp I'm not smart enough at this point to say

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JosefAssad:

Alright.

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Dagmar:

So again, if you have to ask questions about something, don't change it.

[19:22:14]

Dagmar:

The defaults for everythihng will "just work".

[19:22:23]

JosefAssad:

Dagmar: I got it.

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justinh:

so, I thought Virgin1 had moved on Wednesday – I've not rescanned yet but just tested a recording tonight & it worked. eh?

[19:22:37]

Dagmar:

Wait until you've seen it running, or mostly running, before you change things that'll break it. Trust me. You'll be happier this way

[19:22:44]

JosefAssad:

Though, that's a bit of a catch22 isn't it...

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Dagmar:

No it's not.

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gbee:

justinh: the old slot is being used for a +1 version

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justinh:

ahh

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justinh:

that'd be it then cheers gbee

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Dagmar:

It's going to be rather likely to "just work" sticking with the defaults and only setting the things mentioned in the install docs.

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JosefAssad:

Dagmar: In other words, I'll try to just get rid of the couldn't connect to backend error in the frontend right now.

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justinh:

smart move on their part :)

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gbee:

new one is 24h and on a different mplex

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Dagmar:

Go round changing things like port number settings and you can readily wind up with a broken config you can't fix and no one wants to bother helping with

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JosefAssad:

Dagmar: Thanks for your patience

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gbee:

justinh: aye

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justinh:

backed up my db ready for the rescan :)

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Dagmar:

Messing about once you can tell the difference between "broken" and "working" tho I heartily recommend

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wagnerrp:

changing ports isnt going to fix any 'cannot connect to backend' error, unless you already changed the ports once in the first place

[19:24:08]

wagnerrp:

your problem is elsewhere

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wagnerrp:

cannot connect to backend usually means your backend is not running

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wagnerrp:

or you have a firewall in place that is blocking access to it

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lammert:

ux

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gbee:

doing a rescan with trunk didn't exactly go as smooth as I'd hoped, worked out in the end but it needs work

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JosefAssad:

yes, but you can understand how a cannot connect to backend followed by a look at netstat to see if it's running, then seeing a process called mythbackend on a different port might lead to certain (eventually incorrect) conclusions

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JosefAssad:

no no, no firewall. I probably just didn't do a good job setting the backend up

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wagnerrp:

cannot connect to backend? or cannot connect to database?

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wagnerrp:

is this a local or remote frontend?

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wagnerrp:

if remote, did you give the backend a real IP to listen on, rather than localhost?

[19:26:58]

JosefAssad:

wagnerrp: I'm a newbie, let me waste my own time :) No sense wsting yours too :)

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** JosefAssad is good at breaking and fixing **

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wagnerrp:

im just giving you the normal modes of failure

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justinh:

well no rescan for me tonight. too many recordings coming up. bah

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iamlindoro:

Any of you UK folks caught "South Pacific?" Any good? Figure we'll eventually see it on Discovery

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Supaplex:

iamlindoro: yea, but my fishing line was too weak and snapped.

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** laga applauds **

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gbee:

iamlindoro: recording it, haven't watch any of it yet but I heard good things

[19:47:03]

iamlindoro:

gbee: Cool, I like the BBC NHU stuff quite a lot usually

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iamlindoro:

Loads better than 99% of the stuff Discovery produces themselves

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laga:

heh. heh. i'm currently indexing the mythtv-users mailing list (playing with search engine stuff) and just saw this gem scroll by: "[mythtv-users] tv_grab_uk_dvb – UK DVB – site down?!?"

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gbee:

oops, looks like I let all but one episode expire :/

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gbee:

no HD repeats either, nuts

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iamlindoro:

Jesus, Samsung 1 TB, $68

[20:17:10]

iamlindoro:

Is it just me or are they $10 cheaper each week?

[20:17:27]

Dagmar:

wow

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wagnerrp:

thats the price i just paid for a 750 last month

[20:17:55]

wagnerrp:

if only the 2TBs were dropping like that

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wagnerrp:

1TBs arent worth an upgrade

[20:18:36]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, I have a little stack of 1.5s right now that I plan to use, their $/GB ration isn't too too bad

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iamlindoro:

er ratio

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wagnerrp:

the 1.5s for $100 are still marginally cheaper, but theyre both under $0.07/GB

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Dagmar:

Heh I've been dorking with Xfire's video recorder this week

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wagnerrp:

theyre approaching DVD media prices

[20:23:23]

Dagmar:

I was talking with a guildmate about it and complaining about the egregious disk usage it causes...

[20:23:42]

Dagmar:

Their codec makes the PVR cards look like alien technology

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Dagmar:

It's pretty close to raw frames of video, not too far below 1Gb per minute

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Dagmar:

$guildmate cautioned that I mgiht run out of disk space

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wagnerrp:

well im sure its optimized to use almost no processor

[20:24:32]

Dagmar:

"Umm... dude I've got like 3Tb floating around here. I'm not running out of disk."

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kormoc:

so Hulu teamed up with happauge for the alien take over eh?

[20:24:46]

mkrufky:

ha!

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Dagmar:

I could probably record a whole Naxx run, from start to finish.

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wagnerrp:

is that recording at full resolution?

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Dagmar:

Oh that reminds me... "WHY R MYTH NOT PLAY XFR1 CODEC?! IT R UNFAIN!"

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Horrifyingly, that's _half_ res, but then I run at 1680x1050

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wagnerrp:

thats only about 20–25% smaller than raw YUV

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Dagmar:

Getting video out of that codec isn't funny. VirtualDub seems to be the only tool that can get the color right

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wagnerrp:

assuming 30fps

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: What's messed up is to reencode to IV5.0 and see an 800Mb video go to ~78Mb

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wagnerrp:

its probably lossless

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wagnerrp:

something akin to huffman

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Dagmar:

It does appear to be raw video frames, yeah

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TyposuAway:

I've installed 0.22 from svn, and was wondering if mythwelcome was known to work? Because it seems it doesn't want to launch mythfrontend at all.

[20:31:48]

TyposuAway:

I press enter, the button animates, and nothing happens

[20:31:56]

Dagmar:

0.22 does not exist.

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Dagmar:

SVN trunk is not for people who can't figure these sorts of things out

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Dagmar:

SVN trunk is _not_ stable. The answer to "Is X broken?" is generally going to be "probably"

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Dagmar:

Get 0.21-fixes

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TyposuAway:

so far mythwelcome is the only problem. I just need a hint of what to look at :o

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laga:

the logs?

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Dagmar:

0.21-fixes is what you should look at.

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TyposuAway:

logs for mythwelcome? they exist?

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Dagmar:

You're not doing anyone, including yourself, any favors by trying to run trunk without good reason.

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kormoc:

when you run it in a debugging output state... sure, they exist

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Dagmar:

s/, /--/g;

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TyposuAway:

Dagmar: yes, I was using 0.21 fixes for quite some time. but I really prefer using svn right now. the ui is way better for one.

[20:35:02]

TyposuAway:

in most places at least.

[20:35:06]

Dagmar:

Then consider all the bugs a free bonus.

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kormoc:

I wish I had more bugs in my software... stupid coders fixing them all...

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TyposuAway:

wow, are you always this rude to someone doing free testing?

[20:35:36]

Dagmar:

No, I'm always this honest.

[20:35:45]

TyposuAway:

no, you're jsut a jerk

[20:35:52]

kormoc:

calm down folks...

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Dagmar:

Did you tell your Mom she was being rude when she said "DON'T TOUCH THAT STOVE YOU'LL BURN YOURSELF!"

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Dagmar:

So, what "testing" are you doing?

[20:36:36]

Dagmar:

It looks to me like you're trying to fidn a way to avoid bothering with reading a man page or glancing at source code

[20:36:41]

TyposuAway:

indeed. I intend to report bugs that don't already exist in whatever bug tracker is used.

[20:36:49]

Dagmar:

Mythwelcome's code is very, very small.

[20:37:04]

Dagmar:

But hey, have fun calling people names.

[20:37:24]

TyposuAway:

But hey, being rude is fun right?

[20:37:42]

Dagmar:

Wasting other people's time is clearly much more fun

[20:37:46]

Dagmar:

Enjoy your stay in the ignore list

[20:38:24]

TyposuAway:

thank god.

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** Dagmar sets mode +(hidden) for TyposuAway on #MythTV-Users **

[20:38:43]

TyposuAway:

but I think I figured it out. for some reason the db schema is too new?

[20:38:55]

kormoc:

it was likely never updated

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TyposuAway:

I'll try an update

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TyposuAway:

the backend doesnt seem to have a problem, and they are both from the same checkout

[20:39:17]

kormoc:

right

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** TyposuAway checks the backendlogs **

[20:39:23]

kormoc:

the code was likely never updated

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wagnerrp:

doesnt mean someone is maintaining mythwelcome

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wagnerrp:

thats just something that will get stuck on someone's todo list as 0.22 nears

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TyposuAway:

it seemed to me that the message was comming from mythfrontend when I click the button and it immediately exits.. but it starts up standalone, so that cant be it.

[20:40:52]

TyposuAway:

hrm

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iamlindoro:

mythwelcome, just like the frontend, backend, and setup, etc. shouldn't need manual updates to the schema number

[20:41:14]

iamlindoro:

their paired schema number should be based on the version of libmyth they are compiled against

[20:41:31]

iamlindoro:

More likely unclean build/bulldozing over an existing install

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TyposuAway:

thats what I would have figured myself. but I'm not a myth dev.

[20:41:44]

TyposuAway:

this was a fresh myth install afaicr

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TyposuAway:

the db wasn't though

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TyposuAway:

could that be it?

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iamlindoro:

pastebin output of ls -al /usr/lib/libmyth*

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iamlindoro:

(or /usr/local/lib/libmyth* if you used prefix /usr/local)

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iamlindoro:

DB should upgrade itself first time you run the backend or mythtv-setup with a newer build

[20:44:13]

TyposuAway:

hmm, seems I have an install in both places. I suppose mythwelcome is trying to start the old mythfrontend instead of the new one.

[20:44:20]

TyposuAway:

I'll try uninstalling the old one

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Dagmar:

lol freah install

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iamlindoro:

both builds are likely broken at this point

[20:45:15]

iamlindoro:

This kind of basic problem is a *really really* good reason not to run trunk

[20:45:38]

iamlindoro:

and not knowing where the bugs are tracked is a pretty good indication that you're not following the bug/commits list

[20:45:46]

** iamlindoro sighs **

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Dagmar:

God iamlindoro, you're such a jerk.

[20:46:07]

iamlindoro:

Que sera, sera

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TyposuAway:

heh

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Dagmar:

I tried to warn him

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TyposuAway:

so my memory isn't as good as It could be. tbh, I think I installed 0.21 after...

[20:47:26]

_abbenormal:

hi iamlindoro

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_abbenormal:

have a good weekend bro

[20:47:37]

iamlindoro:

_abbenormal: hey there

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iamlindoro:

_abbenormal: You too!

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Supaplex:

shiney new software syndrome

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_abbenormal:

i will

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TyposuAway:

meh, I'll be doing a reinstall later on my new SSD. I'll fix it then.

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

SSD for myth?

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wagnerrp:

hopefully that SSD is just for root and the database

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** kormoc blinks **

[20:49:17]

TyposuAway:

yeah, boot disk only.

[20:49:30]

TyposuAway:

I have several 1TB disks and a large nfs share for the actual video

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iamlindoro:

I think I had this exact discussion about the wastefulness about a week ago

[20:49:41]

iamlindoro:

Was it with you?

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kormoc:

you know... I know a few non-profits if you have some spare cash laying around...

[20:49:45]

TyposuAway:

nope

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TyposuAway:

the SSD was on sale.

[20:49:58]

TyposuAway:

and its a smallish one.

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TyposuAway:

30G

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iamlindoro:

Hmmm, need to check logs

[20:50:12]

TyposuAway:

makes my desktop boot up in under 10s

[20:50:36]

TyposuAway:

I figure if I configure things right my mythbox should beable to boot normally in around 8–10s

[20:50:48]

TyposuAway:

grub to myth

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mkrufky:

why bother with a 30 G SSD for booting myth when you can use a 1 GB CF instead?

[20:51:01]

wagnerrp:

i cant even get through post in under 10s

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TyposuAway:

1G isnt enough?

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kormoc:

so a 2G or a 4G?

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mkrufky:

1 G is more than enough

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iamlindoro:

Then use a 4–8 GB one

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wagnerrp:

1GB and youre a big cramped

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TyposuAway:

mkrufky: only if thats all I want to do with the machine

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iamlindoro:

SSD is totally wasted on myth

[20:51:46]

iamlindoro:

But whatever makes your pee pee feel big

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TyposuAway:

I doubt the cf cards do 200MB/s ;)

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mkrufky:

TyposuAway: I see your point, but its still more than enough.....

[20:52:16]

TyposuAway:

for a strictly myth machine.

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kormoc:

they don't need to do 200 MB/S

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kormoc:

nor will the SSD

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TyposuAway:

but I recently bought a new "server" machine, and am moving my older server hardware to my mythbox. Phenom 9550 :)

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iamlindoro:

If you think SSD is noticeably faster than conventional drives, you've been reading the marketing material instead of the benchmarks

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TyposuAway:

kormoc: it does 200MBs just fine. the OCZ Vertex is quite capable. it also does pretty decent at random access io

[20:53:22]

TyposuAway:

nah, I was reading the benchmarks, thats why I got the vertex

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TyposuAway:

the new ones aren't slow

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TyposuAway:

I just want my mythbox to boot up as fast as possible. :)

[20:54:28]

TyposuAway:

10s is a lot better than the current 30 or so I have to wait

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wagnerrp:

so dont shut it down, use standby

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wagnerrp:

boots in ~3s

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wagnerrp:

uses marginally more power

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iamlindoro:

Bah, not worth the argument, he already bought it so it'll just be an endless argument not to feel silly for having done so

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TyposuAway:

lol

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iamlindoro:

Shiny syndrome

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TyposuAway:

not true. I honestly didn't think about it

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kormoc:

TyposuAway, random gives only ~30 mb/s read, http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3531&p=25

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TyposuAway:

kormoc: and how much better is that then a regular disk? ;)

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kormoc:

TyposuAway, given my random read on my raid set gives me around ~80... not much better at all

[20:56:42]

TyposuAway:

how bout a single disk?

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kormoc:

TyposuAway, and besides the inter x25-e is the clear SSD winner in speed, and has been for awhile

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kormoc:

TyposuAway, I match 30 for my single disks

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TyposuAway:

real random tends to give under 1mb/s (not megabyte, megabit)

[20:57:23]

TyposuAway:

yeah, I _really_ cant justify the intel

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kormoc:

and my single disk will do a ton better random write too...

[20:57:41]

kormoc:

2 megs a second random write is quite bad, and that's what you get with that device

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TyposuAway:

write isn't a serious issue with a boot/system disk.

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kormoc:

the OCZ SSDs are not that good of a product at all imho

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iamlindoro:

*is* your drive an OCZ vertex?

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** kormoc shrugs **

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TyposuAway:

I do have the OCZ Vertex yes.

[20:58:30]

iamlindoro:

Anyhoo, it just comes down to someone who felt like he was buying the new hotness not wanting to feel like he was duped

[20:58:37]

TyposuAway:

lol

[20:58:46]

TyposuAway:

keep telling yourself that

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** kormoc blinks **

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kormoc:

It's sorta fact given the intel SSDs are lightyears ahead in all random IO tests...

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TyposuAway:

it is. but the vertex isnt much worse from the review I read. and are MUCH cheaper

[21:00:05]

TyposuAway:

specially since I got it on sale.

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** kormoc shrugs **

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TyposuAway:

here's a question, can mythtv wake itself up from STR when its the masterbackend?

[21:05:48]

kormoc:

STR?

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TyposuAway:

Suspend to Ram

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kormoc:

yes, it can

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kormoc:

it support S1 and S3 wakeups

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TyposuAway:

how exactly? does the bios alarm stuff also work then? I would have thought not

[21:06:59]

JosefAssad:

argh...

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kormoc:

Aye, the bios alarm wakeup does work for standards compliant hardware

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TyposuAway:

cool. I'll have to mess with that later.

[21:11:56]

TyposuAway:

now that I have hardware it _should_ work with. I seem to recall my old hardware didnt.

[21:12:02]

Dagmar:

Generally when the hardware is kosher and it mysteriously fails, the user has something in their distro saving the clock time back to the RTC *after* the wakeup conditions have been set, and it resets those

[21:12:05]

JosefAssad:

so, if the backend log has messages about being denied access to the database, could that be why the frontend can't connect to it?

[21:12:06]

TyposuAway:

athlon xp hardware. fun stuff.

[21:12:32]

Dagmar:

Just about anything made after 2000 will support at least one if not both of those states

[21:12:45]

Dagmar:

Don't write it off just because it's an "old" Athlon Xp.

[21:12:45]

TyposuAway:

Dagmar: yeah, I setup my old mythbox with autowakeup/shutdown. it worked rather well most of the time.

[21:13:15]

TyposuAway:

well it worked most of the time when the machine was shut down, but I dont think suspend worked all that well.

[21:13:38]

TyposuAway:

sometimes, even from power off, it wouldn't wake up and record a show when it should have.

[21:15:56]

Dagmar:

I wound up moving most of my disks out of the myth box and into a machine that is just a giant disk array basically

[21:16:37]

Dagmar:

...cuz that board doesn't reliably unsuspend or WOL, but the frontend/backend box does it fine

[21:17:34]

TyposuAway:

I might try the same thing. I'll have to see if causes any stuttering in the recording. hope not.

[21:18:04]

TyposuAway:

I already have a server with a ton of disk space. I'll probably just build another array and give that to myth

[21:20:19]

Dagmar:

WEll, if youv'e got 100base-T and your network cabling isn't made of tin foil and coat-hangers, an NFS mount shouldn't present any unusual problems.

[21:20:28]

Dagmar:

Thank god.

[21:20:56]

TyposuAway:

indeed. its actually GbE, but the throughput I get isn't all that great. 30MB/s or so frommy current share.

[21:21:25]

kormoc:

so turn on jumbo packets?

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TyposuAway:

wouldnt that break the existing 100mb/s devices?

[21:22:03]

kormoc:

yes, unless you had something to convert between them

[21:22:12]

TyposuAway:

nope.

[21:23:17]

TyposuAway:

well, its still better than 100BaseTX :)

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JosefAssad:

hi again

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JosefAssad:

I got mythtv running against the backend (turns out it's an init script bug, not any misconfig I did I think) but it's around 1 fps. Is it this I ought to be reading? http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Optimizing_Performance

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dustybin:

anybody here used a LED TV ?

[21:51:17]

mkrufky:

i think my LCD TV has an LED backlight

[21:51:21]

mkrufky:

does that count, dustybin ?

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dustybin:

mkrufky: its new technology

[21:51:39]

mkrufky:

then no, it doesnt count

[21:51:51]

dustybin:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LED_TV

[21:52:29]

iamlindoro:

""LED TV" is a marketing term invented by Samsung to promote LCD television sets with light-emitting diodes (LEDs) as a backlight"

[21:52:34]

iamlindoro:

learn to read, dustybin

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iamlindoro:

And it's not new technology, LED backlit LCDs have been out for years

[21:53:06]

dustybin:

"LED TVs usually produce deeper blacks and a higher overall color saturation"

[21:53:13]

iamlindoro:

mkrufky: So yes, your TV counts :)

[21:53:15]

dustybin:

oh ok

[21:54:00]

dustybin:

here in the UK, LED TVs are the new thing

[21:54:01]

mkrufky:

yeah, i thought it had an LED backlight .....

[21:54:39]

iamlindoro:

I very much doubt that LED backlights haven't been in TVs in the UK for several years too

[21:54:56]

AndyCap:

heh, even samsung had led backlights before inventing the "LED TV"

[21:55:19]

mkrufky:

so, this is just merketing

[21:55:21]

mkrufky:

marketing

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iamlindoro:

yep

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Slim-Kimbo:

are you talking OLED tvs, that new tech

[21:55:49]

Slim-Kimbo:

thats

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dustybin:

they are _expensive_ http://www.ebuyer.com/search?q=LED+TV&x=0&y=0

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iamlindoro:

If you search by marketing term, sure

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iamlindoro:

just like if you search of an "iLink" TV you'll get an expensive Sony, instead of searching for "firewire"

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dustybin:

ok

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dustybin:

deeper blacks and better colour saturation sounds good

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iamlindoro:

Or just buy a Plasma

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dustybin:

even justinh might even approve of a LED TV...

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dustybin:

(acutally, probably not...)

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JosefAssad:

guess I'll stick with xawtv for now. So long!

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wagnerrp:

whats wrong with LED TVs?

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wagnerrp:

(that justinh wouldnt approve, or would even care)

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gbee:

he's generally unimpressed with HD and anything that isn't CRT

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** sphery longs for SED **

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AndyCap:

sphery: heh, you think we'll ever get it?

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sphery:

I don't know... Now that the lawsuit is over, I have hopes, again.

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AndyCap:

dlp will have to see me through the wait. :P

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sphery:

If not, the wait for real NED may be worthwhile (depending on how long my current DLP and bulb last :)

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sphery:

same here

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sphery:

wow... seems Fedora is also using NetworkManager/requiring GUI before networking

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laga:

at least on ubuntu, you canm configure things statically AFAIK

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sphery:

yeah, just talking defaults

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Dagmar:

Actually it doesn't

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Dagmar:

You can easily set it to grab DHCP from the first install, if they didn't set it up that way, it was a deployment decision

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sphery:

well, was basing that on a statement from a guy who posted on -users list

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Dagmar:

That would be a confused user, I suspect

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sphery:

iamlindoro: is xris's SCTE thing something that that scte65scan tool is needed for?

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Dagmar:

There's also that if someone's going to use DHCP in their home, they should at least not go about it half-assed.

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Dagmar:

If they need a static IP assignment for a machine, it's stupid-easy to make that happen.

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iamlindoro:

sphery, Dunno, until just now I didn't know Myth even tried to look at the SCTE-65 stuff

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iamlindoro:

sphery, But it would explain the conflict thing if myth doesn't differentiate between one table and the next

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sphery:

xris: anyway, might want to check out http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/382657#382657

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iamlindoro:

rather interestingly, the new version spits out the whole, properly mapped (w/ callsign, correctly mapped channel number, etc) SQL to insert the lineup into the DB

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iamlindoro:

lots faster than a channel scan, too

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xris:

interesting

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xris:

I have no idea what a vct_id is

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xris:

oh, you need a DTA box

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Guest75757:

since all channels in us are going to change to digital will a analog card still pick up the channels ?

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xris:

NavY-SeaL: only OTA channels are forcibly going digital

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iamlindoro:

xris, if you run that utility with no arguments, you'll see all the SCTE maps

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Dagmar:

...contrary to the bullshit certain Comcast francises are spewing

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J-e-f-f-A:

... Wait.. cumcast is full of BS? NO WAY?!? ;-) hehehehe ... They're the whole reason I switched to FiOS the second it came out in my area!

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dibbz:

does anyone have iptv working

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iamlindoro:

Depends on what you think iptv is

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dibbz:

well

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gbee:

IPTV != Youtube/Hulu/etc

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dibbz:

its a mpegts stream broadcast on a multicast address

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dibbz:

i ma creating the stram in this case

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gbee:

many, many people seem to think that's the case

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iamlindoro:

In that case, yes, what you understand to be IPTV (which is in fact IPTV) is doable in myth

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dibbz:

ok so i have a m3u file that is valid

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dibbz:

no witespace

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iamlindoro:

I myself have not done it-- Robert Johnston on the users list has and seems to know a bit about it, might be worth posting there

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dibbz:

i egt the chans

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dibbz:

when i scan

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dibbz:

ok

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dibbz:

basically i'm down to

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dibbz:

2009-05–23 09:50:25.242 RemoteFile::openSocket(control socket):

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dibbz:

Could not connect to server "" @ port -1

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dibbz:

so i was figuring it was fiddly config

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iamlindoro:

You might want to look at the wiki to see if the "old" way of doing multirec is still documented there

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iamlindoro:

Which was having VLC tune the stream and multicast it, w/ an m3u

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iamlindoro:

that might provide some reference for you

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dibbz:

i'm actually piping netcat to emcast

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dibbz:

i have put ffmepg inline

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dibbz:

it is mpegts

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dibbz:

ta

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iamlindoro:

np

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dibbz:

its like im not subscribed

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dibbz:

in the multicase sense

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dibbz:

s/e /t /

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dibbz:

bah

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dibbz:

maybe it just needs more coffee

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