Beirdobot, irc.freenode.net

Tuesday, May 19th, 2009, 00:05 UTC

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xjblack:

she meant island as in hawaii

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wagnerrp:

well it does have an island chain larger than hawaii

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xjblack:

don't defend her. This is the same chick that gave herself severe chemical burns by using magic eraser to take paint off her face.... because "it worked great on my hands"

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wagnerrp:

why did she have paint on her face, and why would erasers give you anything more than a friction burn

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xjblack:

google "magic eraser"

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xjblack:

it's a brand name product

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xjblack:

http://www.mrclean.com/en_US/products/eraser.shtml

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Dagmar:

Ni-i-i-icew

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xjblack:

She also hit a lawyer's car once. While it was parked.

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Dagmar:

yay!

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xjblack:

hrmm. ubuntu ignores .xinitrc ?

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wagnerrp:

more likely gdm ignores .xinitrc

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xjblack:

I suppose I could set default-display-manager to execute a script that does a su mythuser mythfrontend

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iamlindoro:

Oof, schedule looks like a wasteland the next two weeks, going to be a long summer

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xjblack:

yeah.

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wagnerrp:

yeah... but it gives a chance to catch up on missed recordings

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xjblack:

Time to practice saying "Arrrggghhhh"

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Essobi:

Hmm.

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Essobi:

VLC is identifying the stream as a RTJPeg stream.

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wagnerrp:

which it very well may be

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wagnerrp:

myth can record to rtjpeg or mpeg4asp

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Essobi:

Oh.. probably why I can't stream it on VLC..

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wagnerrp:

vlc should be able to handle rtjpeg just fine

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wagnerrp:

probably easier than mpeg4, since each frame is independent

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wagnerrp:

i dont get it... why did WOL work yesterday, and not today

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wagnerrp:

theres the problem... wol in ethtool got reset

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wagnerrp:

ill just have to make this program forcefully set it when it runs

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wagnerrp:

yep, that did it

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Essobi:

wagnerrp: Oddly enough... VLC doesn't seem to be handling rtjpeg but I found a media filter and got them playing in MediaPlayer

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Pontiac:

<iamlindoro> Oof, schedule looks like a wasteland the next two weeks, going to be a long summer

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Pontiac:

pfft... My machine records at least 4 shows a day.

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Pontiac:

And I still get bored. heh

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iamlindoro:

There aren't four shows worth watching per day

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Pontiac:

For me there is. Discovery Channel and Spike has several shows I like.

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wagnerrp:

that didnt do the trick... why did that not do the trick?

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wagnerrp:

i bet i didnt use the newly compiled version...

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mphill_:

is there a plugin that will allow me to scan public samba shares instead of having to mount the devices?

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wagnerrp:

you can set up your system to automatically mount those that it finds

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Pontiac:

I wouldn't say a plug in, but perhaps maybe a script that'll do the trick.

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wagnerrp:

but you will still have to scan them

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wagnerrp:

you *can* but mythvideo into 'browse' mode where it works on the directory structure as is when you first open it

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wagnerrp:

however then you lose all metadata capability

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Essobi:

mphill_: I believe you want pam automountd type services for unix..

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wagnerrp:

thats why it didnt work, ethtool is in two different places on the two systems... odd

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Essobi:

... yea.. VLC knows there's a rtjpeg inside the container.. it's streaming it.. just not rendering it

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Essobi:

So... what's everyone use for remote viewing?

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wagnerrp:

zoomplayer

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wagnerrp:

and samba

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Essobi:

Ah

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Essobi:

And..

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wagnerrp:

and mythrename.pl

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Essobi:

It looks like RTJpeg isn't official until 1.0.. http://trac.videolan.org/vlc/ticket/1812

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Essobi:

in VLC..

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wagnerrp:

i didnt realize there was a difference between mjpeg and rtjpeg

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Essobi:

Appearently so..

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Essobi:

But VLC has seeking and everything else in that version..

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Essobi:

Wonder if there's any svn builds floating around

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Essobi:

I should make a multicast streaming frontend..

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wagnerrp:

what for?

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wagnerrp:

multicast streaming requires that you have multiple boxes watching exactly the same thing

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Essobi:

Because I can.

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wagnerrp:

while thats great for a website and a live webcast, thats rather against everything mythtv stands for

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Essobi:

I know what multicasting is. :P

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Dagmar:

....becuase buzzwords make it all better.

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Dagmar:

:)

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Essobi:

Umm.. no.. I'm sort of a nerd, and I like programming wierd shit for exercises.

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Essobi:

*SHRUG*

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wagnerrp:

so most consumer switches even understand multicast? or does it end up being no different than a broadcast?

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Dagmar:

There's "weird sh*t" and there's "stupid sh*t". Guess which one of thse multicasting video for unicast reception is

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Most switches, yes.

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Dagmar:

It's not really their job to care since the things are sent to the ethernet broadcast address at that level

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wagnerrp:

they shouldnt be sent to the broadcast address

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Dagmar:

They're broadcast packets.

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Essobi:

Vlans are multicast aware.. and if I want to watch the same thing simultanously on more then one machine, then why transmit the stream X n?

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Dagmar:

I mean, I could be wrong because it's been like 15 freaking years since I've looked at the spec, but still

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wagnerrp:

but thats the thing, why would YOU want to watch on more than one screen

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Dagmar:

I was pretty sure they are broadcast.

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Essobi:

wagnerrp: Why not?

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wagnerrp:

ah, so theyre set up as broadcast UDP packets, only sent to the 224/4 address space

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Dagmar:

Sadly, I can at least offer in his favor that it's probably easier to find mbone software to do it than it would be to get somme other thing doing it

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Essobi:

wagnerrp: yea, it's on a special address range.. only real difference.

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Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Yeah, which is why ethernet switches don't care. Routers, on the other hand, need to be told to handle them and how

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Dagmar:

...and damn the admins of hte world for figuring out to restrict that

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wagnerrp:

so at the bridge/switch level, it is no different from a broadcast packet

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Dagmar:

yip

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GreyFoxx:

currect

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GreyFoxx:

correct

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wagnerrp:

anyway, i just see the current capability to pause on one frontend, and pick up on another, to be more functional

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Dagmar:

It is

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wagnerrp:

maybe throw in some bluetooth magic, so it tracks your phone, and automatically sets up the second frontend

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Essobi:

VLC 1.0 can stream OOB from mythWeb but it appears the seeking they said was fixed, isn't.

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Dagmar:

multicast streaming is decidedly not personalizable unless you want to buffer on each then

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wagnerrp:

well thats 180 Core2s that now come in and out of standby on load demand

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wagnerrp:

lets see if i can get it working on the older amds

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Essobi:

wagnerrp: I've got 3 kids, and more then one might want to watch the same program, without saturating my switches or mythbox.

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wagnerrp:

and neither should happen

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wagnerrp:

an old hard drive and a 10/100 switch can handle three ATSC broadcasts without breaking a sweat

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wagnerrp:

youre only talking 6–7MB/s

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Essobi:

Fine.. spoil my fun.

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** Essobi snickers. **

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wagnerrp:

dont let me stop you from doing it

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wagnerrp:

im just commenting that the effort will get very little use

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Essobi:

fair enough

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wagnerrp:

well the a64 came online, but is otherwise unresponsive... just a blinking cursor

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wagnerrp:

now i just have to go to the other end of the complex, and flip some breakers...

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Essobi:

hehehe

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wagnerrp:

ironically, this machine is probably more powerful than the CM5s they had in the movie

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Essobi:

... what movie..

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wagnerrp:

jurassic park....

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tank-man:

"it's a Unix system, I know this"

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Essobi:

wagnerrp: oh yea... hehe.

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Essobi:

Ah, seeking does work on vlc 1.0...

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Essobi:

buffering just took longer then I expected..

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wagnerrp:

attempt 2 was even more of a failure... didnt even get a blinking light this time

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wagnerrp:

err... cursor

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Essobi:

nice

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Essobi:

WOL FTL

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wagnerrp:

its not even WOL, that works fine

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wagnerrp:

the machine wont come out of standby

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wagnerrp:

WOL wakes it, but it never fully wakes

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Dagmar:

Odd.

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wagnerrp:

we really need to get a radioclock for the cluster

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wagnerrp:

time has little consequence, but it has drifted several days in the last couple months

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wagnerrp:

its just annoying

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wagnerrp:

so you need APCI support to suspend something?

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wagnerrp:

standby doesnt work... and i cant even get them to shutdown properly so i can use WOL normally

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xjblack:

in the lircrc, config = ..... is the .... arbitrary? I.E. can I mape Clear to Clear, then in the myth edit keys, press clear and see "clear" ?

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xjblack:

nope.

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Dagmar:

heh

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xjblack:

interesting. once I got rid of the window manager, fill is no longer an issue

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** sphery wonders why "Change Recording Group" in the "Storage Options" submenu of the action Menu (INFO in -fixes) of the Watch TV screen defaults to "All Programs" for programs in "Default" recording group. **

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sphery:

now I'm further wondering why there even exists an "All Programs" recgroup (as--since Myth only supports one recgroup per recording--it cannot contain All Programs if any recording is in any other recgroup)

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Dagmar:

sphery: Because the same table is used to look 'em up both ways, probably.

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heyheyhey:

what is freesurround?

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tank-man:

what ever it is I want it!

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xjblack:

Ok... This is interesting.

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xjblack:

if both the TV and the laptop lcd are on, fill is automagical. But if I turn off the laptop lcd with xrandr, fill stops automatically working

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wagnerrp:

freesound looks like a software Dolby Prologic decoder

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wagnerrp:

so largely unnecessary

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Pontiac:

How can I tell what physical device is attached to /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp and /dev/adsp?

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wagnerrp:

since most content is surround now, rather than having to be upmixed

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Pontiac:

Nevermind, figured it out.

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Pontiac:

I'm attempting to get my tuner card to record audio instead of the on board audio.

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sphery:

xjblack: sounds like 2 different displays with different characteristics (i.e. display size/aspect ratio)

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sphery:

xjblack: if you are running with 2 displays, you likely need to set the Monitor Aspect Ratio in Appearance settings

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sphery:

(and the "Display on screen")

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xjblack:

They're both 800x600, though they may have different bit depths.

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heyheyhey:

http://ww.pastebin.com/m2fafb669

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heyheyhey:

i keep get this error when compiling mythtv

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sphery:

wagnerrp: LIRC modes exist, but are seldom used because they require that you enter and exit the mode using LIRC (i.e. a remote button press) since the LIRC devs didn't like the patch that allowed command-line switching of modes (which I may eventually get around to cleaning up since I really want modes). The "documentation" (which doesn't really explain how they work or why they're great) is at ...

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sphery:

... http://lirc.org/html/configure.html#lircrc_format .

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wagnerrp:

well the point still stands that they are completely unneeded for the intended use

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sphery:

yeah, since Myth will ignore button presses until the spawned program exists when the program is started from the menu, modes are unnecessary

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sphery:

they're only really useful for programs that are started from outside Myth

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wagnerrp:

apparently with displaylink adapters, you can turn openwrt routers into full computers

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wagnerrp:

now why you would want to is completely beyond me

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wagnerrp:

i guess its all the gee-wiz factor

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wagnerrp:

building computers out of crappier and crappier hardware

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iamlindoro:

sounds terribly familiar around here

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at0m|c:

found the BE/home server's north/south bridge lying loose on PVR last weekend, supports had come out of the motherboard... loctite to the rescue! :D

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at0m|c:

s/bridge/bridge passive cooler

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wagnerrp:

loctite isnt particularly thermally conductive is it?

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wagnerrp:

usually one uses custom thermal epoxies for that

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wagnerrp:

although usually those heatsinks are pinned to the board, rather than epoxied

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at0m|c:

dont think so – used it on the edges, quite an end from the chip (1cm^2 chip, 3x3cm plate)

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wagnerrp:

oh... right... supports had come out

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at0m|c:

wagnerrp: right, it had 4x 2-pin bridges in which the sink springs latched

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at0m|c:

bridges came out

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at0m|c:

should have redone the thermal paste, but was euhm in a hurry

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wagnerrp:

machine was still running?

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at0m|c:

no, had transported it to the new house

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xjblack:

I see a pattern. serial shows (lost, dead like me) are fine. High production news is fine (60 minutes). Local and craptastic shows, their aspect ratio is horked.

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at0m|c:

so it's also a mystery when it had come loose – could be anywhere last 6 months

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at0m|c:

(transport was just hand carry across the street)

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wagnerrp:

its a wonder it hasnt been unstable

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at0m|c:

as long as i can /ping at0m it hasn't :)

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xjblack:

aaaaahhh HAH!

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at0m|c:

xjblack: seen the light?

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xjblack:

by changing letterbox color to grey, things suddenly make more sense. Those _bastards_ !

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xjblack:

The broadcaster is letterboxing 4:3 in 16:9.

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wagnerrp:

pillerboxing?

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xjblack:

I don't know what the slang term is, but the technical term is "asinine"

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wagnerrp:

its 4:3 content, boxed to 16:9, and then youre playing it back on a 4:3?

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wagnerrp:

so its in a small square in the center of the tv?

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xjblack:

I've gotten past that point.

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xjblack:

Bsically, they've put brs down the size, so that 4:3 + black bars = 16:9

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wagnerrp:

right... check out the zoom modes

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xjblack:

down the sides, that is. It's actually in the signal.

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wagnerrp:

they would only give you a 16:9 signal if its digital, and likely HD

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wagnerrp:

which means on a 4:3 tv, the resulting feed is still going to be higher resolution than the display

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xjblack:

I'm on a 720p hdtv, being driven at.... 1360x768, displaying a transcoded to hell recording of the local news.

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wagnerrp:

ok, so you just run at full screen, minus the sides.... whats the problem?

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xjblack:

I think I just got to ideal. For a while there, I had a box within a box.

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xjblack:

I've been playing xrandr games, and aspect ratio has been popping in and out as an option.

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at0m|c:

xjblack: /me presses 'w' to cycle modes

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xjblack:

720p is 1280x720, right?

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wagnerrp:

correct

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wagnerrp:

although screens are usually 1366x768

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xjblack:

1360x768 is closest, which is what I'm driving at now.

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xjblack:

The other resolutions are 1.33:1, excepting 720x400, which is 1.8:1

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wagnerrp:

i dont really understand why they run at 1366x768

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xjblack:

probably a manufacturing issue. I imagine it's some even measurement point.

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wagnerrp:

i know it doesnt really matter, because the displays will be overscaled anyway

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wagnerrp:

however why you would overscale a digital recording, i have no clue

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wagnerrp:

digital transmission, digital display, theres no reason for it

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xjblack:

It's all moot for me... High quality is "400xauto" and low quality is 320xauto

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wagnerrp:

why no digital recorders for an HDTV?

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xjblack:

pardon?

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wagnerrp:

if you have an HDTV, why not grab a digital tuner?

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xjblack:

I have digital tuners. Two, in fact.

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xjblack:

I'm transcoding hdtv for a couple reasons. One, I get to keep _loads_ of stuff. Two, 802.11g isn't good enough for hdtv, so I transcode things to save on local network bandwidth.

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AndyCap:

http://www.tvtechnology.com/article/13084 :P

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xjblack:

I have over 2200 shows recorded on a 700 gig drive. :)

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wagnerrp:

so transcode to h264, it will take a fair bit more time, but you can get it down to acceptable bitrates for wireless

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xjblack:

That's close to what I do. I auto-transcode everything to low mpeg4 rates.

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heyheyhey:

i get a error could someone help me figure it out?

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heyheyhey:

freesurround.cpp:32:21: error: qstring.h: No such file or directory

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heyheyhey:

freesurround.cpp:33:23: error: qdatetime.h: No such file or directory

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wagnerrp:

why not keep it high resolution, 6–8mbps?

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xjblack:

Full hdtv can't quite make it across the pipe. at the current settings, I can just barely handle watching 2 high quality shows at the same time.

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wagnerrp:

qstring and qdatetime are parts of qt, are you missing the qt header files?

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xjblack:

and still have my phones work reliably.

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xjblack:

I'd like to do better transcoding, but I'm also facing cpu tradeoffs as well.

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heyheyhey:

so i need qt

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wagnerrp:

you should have qt or else mythtv wouldnt work in the first place

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xjblack:

Yes.

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wagnerrp:

however you may not have the qt header files to allow compiling

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xjblack:

Maybe he's using a distro myth, has the qt libs, but not the headers.

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xjblack:

Or maybe he's not pointing the compiler in the right place for the headers.

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wagnerrp:

yeah, last time i tried transcoding something to HD-h264, it averaged about 2fps

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xjblack:

yeah. I need to keep transcoding fps up to about 30 or so, before things fall behind, and I get too impatient to watch something. :)

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wagnerrp:

well thats what you get for using wireless and a single hard drive

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xjblack:

Well, yeah...

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xjblack:

I could probably afford better equipment, if you wouldn't mind paying more taxes. :P

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heyheyhey:

are the header files -dev

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xjblack:

yes.

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xjblack:

Thanks for all the help. I need to get some sleep.

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heyheyhey:

wagnerrp thank you

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xjblack:

??

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xjblack:

Night.

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heyheyhey:

thank u too xjblack

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heyheyhey:

for ur help

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dibbz:

good evenings

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Essobi:

morning..

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sphery:

If anyone is looking for a new 80 PLUS PSU, newegg has a special on the Corsair 400W ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139008 ) for $29.99 after $10 mail-in rebate with promo code EMCLSMX24 . It's a pretty good PSU (I have one). Non-modular, which is probably good at low wattage. Works for Core i7, too.

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sphery:

(through May 25, BTW)

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Essobi:

Nice..

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Essobi:

What kind of bandwidth do you need to run mythfrontend remotely?

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GreyFoxx:

what bit rate is the video you are watching?

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Essobi:

Hmm.. no clue.

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GreyFoxx:

If you have a 4 megabit stream, you need 4 megabit

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GreyFoxx:

at least

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GreyFoxx:

Mythbackend/frontend don'ttranscode the video

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Essobi:

roger that... so other then actually streaming.. I take it the BW isn't intensive?

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GreyFoxx:

brb, called to work

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justinh:

ruh?

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justinh:

whether the bandwidth is intensive or not depends on what kind of connection youv'e got:P

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justinh:

.e.g. trying to watch 2mbit/sec video on a 3mbit/sec connection you might have trouble

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justinh:

pretty obvious kinda stuff really – much like the fact myth doesn't send out an _uncompressed_ 24-bit colour bitmap for each video frame – that'd be silly

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MilkBoy:

my (not too broad) experience is that the bandwidth should be at least a few mbits higher than the actual stream.. otherwise it will fail eventually

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justinh:

and if you're thinking about wireless.. good luck! YMMV

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justinh:

oh crap. somebody should sack the developers here. software corrupting a flash partition the software is stored on. OOPS

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justinh:

hahaha. turns out the app has got too big for the flash

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spoky99:

hi all

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spoky99:

someone can help me?

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spoky99:

I had a hauppauge hvr 1100, it work fine with xine, I see the dvb-t channel one time then I selected a channel and... every time that I start the tv I have one error message and the frontend return to the menu

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wagnerrp:

did you possibly tune to a non-functional channel?

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spoky99:

mybe

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wagnerrp:

go into mythtv-setup, item 4, go into the card properties and change the default channel

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wagnerrp:

change it to one you know it should be able to tune

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spoky99:

now I'm start with the program list and I select a work cannel

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spoky99:

and... the tv crash

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spoky99:

umm, it select the last channel

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spoky99:

I return to the mythtv-setup, selecting one right channel and.. into the terminal (I launch mythfrontend from terminal) I see mani times "NVP : Prebuffer whait timed out 10 times"

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spoky99:

I try to select one other channel and.. it crash :)

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Essobi:

Umm.. how do a specify a different server IP for mythfrontend/mythtv? I assumed all I had to do what put in the mysql backend.. which works.

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spoky99:

umm I see the same channel with xine, after quit from it i open the channel in mythtv and... now say me that is locked

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spoky99:

I see some other channel, but some other is locked

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Quantumstate:

danielk here?

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Quantumstate:

In case danielk picks up, I was wondering when the R5000 patch will be committed? I've been using it in the mythtv-fixes SVN for months to record Dish on my ViP211, and it seems to be fine, with Alan's h264_length and mythcommflag patches.

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RyeBrye:

what comflag patches?

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gbee:

Quantumstate: increasing debate over the legal implications

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iamlindoro:

Oh yays, Udo is back

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iamlindoro:

"This behaviour hasn't improved in my loggings (like this one) since the past 6 to 9 months."

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iamlindoro:

Nor has his ability to do anything to solve the problem

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laga:

\o/

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iamlindoro:

I don't understand what he figures will happen by posting the same thing monthly

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wagnerrp:

users help themselves? blasphemy

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laga:

bet he paid good money for myth ;)

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wagnerrp:

why is he using mythtv to record 24-hr streams?

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meshe:

that's a lot of hard drive space

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wagnerrp:

and what is this 'powersearch'?

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Quantumstate:

RyeBrye: Myth is not compatible with DishNetwork H.264 transport streams, so Alan has made a commflag patch.

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Quantumstate:

You guys are so negative...

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iamlindoro:

You misspelled "realistic"

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wagnerrp:

i mean if youre not recording individual shows, whats the point of myth

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wagnerrp:

just boot up with VLC on constant record

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iamlindoro:

We're also nearing the one year mark of him complaining about it regularly without providing any diagnostic info

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iamlindoro:

He has pasted the output of ps aux every. single. time.

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wagnerrp:

and what the hell is he running this on that a digital tuner sucks 10% CPU

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iamlindoro:

It's an EPIA IIRC

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Essobi:

anyone gotten snd_bt87x to work?

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iamlindoro:

Somebody in the 90s probably had it working

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iamlindoro:

Since that's the last time those tuners were any good

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Essobi:

iamlindoro: that was btaudio in the 90s. ;)

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Essobi:

snd_bt87x is the new interface that replaced btaudio

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iamlindoro:

Cards are still garbage

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Essobi:

I didn't say they wern't. :)

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Essobi:

iamlindoro: But they'll suffice to record cartoon for kids.

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Essobi:

s/cartoon/cartoons/

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Quantumstate:

I am beginning to suspect that danielk has stopped trying.

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iamlindoro:

Quantumstate: Stopped trying what? gbee already explained to you why it hasn't been committed

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Quantumstate:

gbee explained that it is up to danielk's discretion.

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iamlindoro:

Quantumstate: danielk has done more recent work on myth than almost anyone, including writing, merging, and debugging the whole channel scan branch

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iamlindoro:

Erm, that is *not* what he said

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iamlindoro:

He said there is increasing debate over legal concerns-- which are *not* at his discretion, his discretion doesn't enter into whether or not it's legal

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Quantumstate:

I have not been able to reach him... along with a few others.

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Essobi:

gbee: ... increasing debate on commercial flagging?

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iamlindoro:

Has nothing to do with commflagging

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Essobi:

Oh..

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Essobi:

iamlindoro: What's it over?

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schlazor:

@Essobi the r5000 is a little IC you stick in your STB and it gives you access to the data stream

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schlazor:

all kinds of awesome and probably super illegal

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Essobi:

schlazor: Oh, neat..

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iamlindoro:

Over whether it's a circumvention of encryption/copy protection

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Essobi:

Umm.. So why is the myth community in-general super anal about legalities?

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Quantumstate:

It is not circumvention. It taps in -after- sub decryption.

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schlazor:

at a minimum probably a violation of terms of use

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Essobi:

Quantumstate: Got and URLs?

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Quantumstate:

nextcommwireless

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iamlindoro:

Quantumstate: Whether or not it would be considered circumvention isn't up to random people on IRC, it's up to lawyers and judges

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schlazor:

its also silly expensive. why not just use an hd-pvr?

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iamlindoro:

And unless the project gets an official legal opinion showing that it's not a violation of the DMCA, I wouldn't anticipate seeing it in myth

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Essobi:

iamlindoro: Exactly, and until ruled otherwise, should one not support it?

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Quantumstate:

Commercial-skipping could be considered in the same category.

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iamlindoro:

Essobi: No, the opposite. Why should the devs put their asses on the line when something's on questionable ground?

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iamlindoro:

Essobi: It's not you who would get sued if someone decided to wield the lawsuit stick, it's *them*

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Essobi:

Why wouldn't your asses be on the line? It's software. You can't hold gunsmiths accountable for the weapons they make. :)

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Quantumstate:

schlazor, the sat providers compress with $50k engines t, and any de/recompression will degrade quality.

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iamlindoro:

Essobi: How totally naive

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Essobi:

iamlindoro: I'm not saying you won't get sued into oblivion..

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iamlindoro:

People get sued for exactly this kind of thing all the time

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Essobi:

iamlindoro: I'm saying legal precedent has to exist, and once it does.. you remove the said code.

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iamlindoro:

That is *not* the way the law works

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schlazor:

Quantumstate: i am familiar with the concept of lossy compression :)

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iamlindoro:

You don't operate under the assumption that it's legal until proven otherwise, that's an invitation to be sued

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schlazor:

Essobi: pretty sure those precedents come from someone's ass getting sued

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Quantumstate:

Automated commercial-skipping is in exactly the same category.

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sphery:

"mythbackend still eats memory: the current status"

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sphery:

ahh... I needed a good laugh.

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Quantumstate:

Don't give me this fearful stuff

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iamlindoro:

Quantumstate: Commercial flagging does *not* have a statute making it illegal. circumvention of encryption does.

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meshe:

commercial skip doesn't circumvent anything

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Essobi:

iamlindoro: Yup.. Goood ole DMCA.

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meshe:

it doesn't alter the intended purpose of hardware either

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meshe:

er intended operation

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, feel free to fork myth if you don't like the way patches are applied, don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out

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Essobi:

Just one little way the mass media giants are crushing the end-user. http://xkcd.com/129/

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Quantumstate:

I am not playing King of the Hill with anybody. Commercial skipping is in exactly the same category. Replay got in trouble for it.

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sphery:

what about France's latest?

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Quantumstate:

If it becomes of interest to them, you ALWAYS get notice and a chance to remove before anything's done.

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iamlindoro:

Quantumstate: That had *nothing* to do with violation of the law

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sphery:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/09/business/gl . . . ;partner=rss and http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworl . . . 462107.story

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sphery:

3 strikes

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wagnerrp:

did replay get in trouble for commskipping? or because they let you transmit video to other replay boxes over the internet?

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iamlindoro:

Quantumstate: Replay was sued over infringement of D&M's IP, *not* a violation of the law

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Quantumstate:

No, they were also sued for the commercial skipping. I am not arguing about this anymore.

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iamlindoro:

Good, seeya!

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meshe:

wagnerrp: both

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meshe:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReplayTV#Legal_Battle

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Quantumstate:

This fearfulness over the R5000 is unbased, at least in the law.

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iamlindoro:

Quantumstate: You are not a lawyer, but if you are, feel free to litigate it and get us some nice case law

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iamlindoro:

Let us know when you're done

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iamlindoro:

So much for not arguing it any more

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Quantumstate:

Actually, I am a lawyer, but there is no case to fight.

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iamlindoro:

Horse shit

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Essobi:

Quantumstate: Yea.. once you do something that companies get pissy about... you get a cease and descist first 99% of the time.

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Quantumstate:

You get a cease-and-desist.

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iamlindoro:

I don't believe for a second that you're a lawyer, given your fuzzy-at-best understanding of what constitutes a potential DMCA violation

[18:07:15]

iamlindoro:

anyway, thought you were done arguing?

[18:07:33]

Quantumstate:

Always have time for takedown. But obviously the Kings of the Hill are fighting innovation.

[18:07:42]

Essobi:

Both the “AutoSkip” and the “Send Show” features violate U.S. copyright and other federal and state laws, according to the TV industry plaintiffs, who wanted sales of the ReplayTV 4000 devices--slated for shipment on Nov. 15, 2001--stopped.

[18:07:44]

Quantumstate:

I said I am not arguing Replay.

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Essobi:

Wow.. I didn't know they actually lost for autoskip.. I thought it was just the send-shows featue..

[18:08:13]

sphery:

besides, lawsuits by deep pockets against shallow pockets are generally a way to influence the company's direction regardless of law (i.e. spend them into submission)

[18:08:13]

schlazor:

Essobi: key phrase "according to the TV industry plaintiffs"

[18:08:14]

meshe:

they didn't lose

[18:08:21]

meshe:

keep reading

[18:08:31]

schlazor:

case was dropped when they filed for bankruptcy

[18:08:31]

iamlindoro:

At the end of the day, my point still stands, it's not going into myth until there's actual legal counsel documenting that it's not a violation

[18:08:45]

Essobi:

schlazor: Ah.

[18:09:14]

iamlindoro:

Sorry you have to apply a patch to play with your shiny toy, but them's the breaks

[18:09:25]

kormoc:

and besides, arguing about it here is pointless, we have already talked to the EFF about the patches and awaiting to hear back from them

[18:09:29]

Quantumstate:

This is why XBMC will get timeshift before Myth gets to .22

[18:09:37]

schlazor:

i'm thinking if you're already hacking your STB applying a patch shouldn't be an issue

[18:09:50]

** kormoc blinks **

[18:09:54]

wagnerrp:

but... xbmc doesnt record

[18:10:03]

kormoc:

Quantumstate, I fail to see any correlation...

[18:10:07]

iamlindoro:

We also couldn't care less what XBMC does

[18:10:13]

iamlindoro:

More power to them

[18:10:31]

Quantumstate:

schlazor: I am not hacking the box. I am a legitimate sub.

[18:10:39]

meshe:

sorry if this is a dumb question, but what do you mean timeshift?

[18:10:47]

meshe:

myth timeshift's for me

[18:10:50]

sphery:

great, now they're going to come back in here when their scanners see the mention in here...

[18:10:58]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:11:11]

kormoc:

XBMC is so awesome, it takes awesome to a new awesome level!

[18:11:20]

schlazor:

i'm so done with this conversation

[18:11:22]

sphery:

Quantumstate: isn't R5000 a hacked box?

[18:11:23]

kormoc:

There, that hopefully will make them happy

[18:11:39]

Quantumstate:

wagnerrp: I'm saying that innovation in Myth has all but halted, and that .22 may never be released because of just this sort of in-fighting.

[18:11:39]

sphery:

thanks Barney--I mean kormoc

[18:11:46]

Essobi:

lol

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sphery:

Wait... I thought only Microsoft innovates.

[18:12:01]

wagnerrp:

hardware hacked... yes, they added in hardware to capture the digital stream after the CAM has had its way with it

[18:12:42]

kormoc:

Quantumstate, what in-fighting? All the devs agree, we need a legal opinion before adding the patches....

[18:13:27]

Essobi:

So.. is myths abilities to make cutpoints in recordings going to get nuked because users could potentially cut out commercials, then share the said cut-point times with other users?

[18:13:27]

sphery:

But really, if you compare MythTV 0.21-fixes to 0.22, there aren't any noticeable differences. So perhaps his point is valid.

[18:13:38]

iamlindoro:

Yep, pretty much the same exact thing

[18:13:39]

sphery:

After all, they both have VDPAU and LATM/AAC and ... ;)

[18:13:44]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:13:59]

kormoc:

I know the only improvement to mythweb was the version number change

[18:14:19]

Essobi:

kormoc: I really don't know much about the core.. are the devs in the USA?

[18:14:23]

sphery:

and mythui is just a way to make all those award-winning 0.21-fixes themes stop working...

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Quantumstate:

kormoc: looking at any of the listservs at about any time, you see a few Strong browbeating everyone else. It runs off the more creative and creates an atmosphere of fear.

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sphery:

(BTW, that statement was not meant to offend any 0.21-fixes theme authors, but to imply that the foundation on which they built their themes was severly lacking.)

[18:15:32]

** iamlindoro discretely phones the Myth Stasi **

[18:15:37]

Quantumstate:

I say this is why innovation has become stifled.

[18:16:02]

sphery:

could always work on one of the many myth forks

[18:16:10]

kormoc:

Essobi, Most of the devs are in the US, but there's a decent representation worldwide (Europe/Australlia come to mind)

[18:16:24]

sphery:

Heliocreek, Myth with left-to-right support, Myth with VDPAU, ...

[18:16:30]

Essobi:

I can see why the US ones mig be apprehensive..

[18:16:35]

Essobi:

sphery: Forks?

[18:16:50]

iamlindoro:

The spiky ones next to the spoons

[18:16:59]

Essobi:

lol

[18:17:07]

Essobi:

OUCH MY EYE!

[18:17:32]

wagnerrp:

left-to-right?

[18:17:39]

Essobi:

for arabic languages..

[18:17:42]

sphery:

mainly the "since our idea isn't in(/won't go in) upstream, do it ourselves" groups

[18:17:45]

sphery:

right.

[18:17:46]

wagnerrp:

right-to-left?

[18:17:58]

sphery:

sorry... this hand makes the L

[18:17:58]

Quantumstate:

"Legal opinion".... pffffff

[18:18:00]

Essobi:

oh.. yea.. lol

[18:18:13]

sphery:

there's a sourceforge project for that

[18:18:18]

Essobi:

I think the whole baby and bathwater argument...

[18:18:53]

AndyCap:

you can't boil babies without bathwater.

[18:19:06]

sphery:

wow... someone should look at this--a web front end to Myth: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythwebz/

[18:19:17]

iamlindoro:

Essobi: How about explaining what you mean by that?

[18:19:19]

Essobi:

sphery: don't we... have one..

[18:19:29]

iamlindoro:

Essobi: What specifically has been thrown out that should have been kept, hmmmm?

[18:19:34]

AndyCap:

", similar features to the official Mythtv Mythweb project."

[18:19:51]

Essobi:

iamlindoro: Umm. like not supporting a torrent client in-menu but there is legal content distributed via torrent.

[18:20:02]

Essobi:

And there's nothing directly illegal with torrent clients either.

[18:20:04]

sid3windr:

like what?

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schlazor:

rev3 programs

[18:20:12]

iamlindoro:

$5 on "linux distros"

[18:20:13]

sphery:

Essobi: yeah, but it's being developed by a guy who doesn't understand FOSS--I mean he refused to rewrite it in Python when a user told him to

[18:20:14]

sid3windr:

it's not like WoW updates or linux iso's are useful in mythtv

[18:20:33]

xris:

wow. someone writing it in perl...

[18:20:37]

sphery:

Essobi: I'm being very sarcastic, here

[18:20:42]

xris:

I pondered doing that for awhile until kormoc offered to quit. : )

[18:20:45]

Essobi:

sphery: ;)

[18:20:51]

iamlindoro:

Essobi: What is it you think 99.99% of users would be using an official torrent client for?

[18:20:54]

AndyCap:

sid3windr: the public broadcaster here

[18:21:07]

iamlindoro:

Hint: It's not downloading the new Ubuntu

[18:21:29]

schlazor:

iamlindoro: but there is legal content out there

[18:21:36]

schlazor:

reminds me a lot of the betamax case

[18:21:37]

Essobi:

iamlindoro: And are you the boss of those users? did you force their hand to do anything with it? How are you legally liable for what they did? :)

[18:22:14]

sphery:

legally liable doesn't mean anything when you don't have millions of $ to stump up for the lawsuits that the big boys can afford

[18:22:22]

iamlindoro:

^^ Exactly

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iamlindoro:

Plus, nobody is stopping anyone writing a torrent client for myth

[18:22:46]

sphery:

now if you're volunteering to completely cover court costs/lost wages/... from any future cases...

[18:22:50]

meshe:

napster never forced anyone to share copywrited material

[18:22:51]

iamlindoro:

It just won't be an official plugins

[18:23:01]

Quantumstate:

OK, maybe the answer then is to work with a Myth fork to get the fuctionality I want.

[18:23:04]

iamlindoro:

So interesting how there's not a third party torrent client right now

[18:23:16]

iamlindoro:

because the jackasses bitching for one aren't willing or able to do it themselves

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** AndyCap suspects Quantumstate underestimates the amount of work involved in a fork **

[18:23:30]

Essobi:

That's what the ACLU is for. :)

[18:23:48]

Quantumstate:

I'm not a coder.

[18:23:55]

AndyCap:

O_o

[18:23:56]

Quantumstate:

I am a real estate developer.

[18:23:57]

Essobi:

meshe: No, they connected clients together to share the said content.

[18:23:59]

kormoc:

ACLU doesn't represent anything

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schlazor:

Quantumstate: that's right you're a lawyer ;)

[18:24:05]

xris:

Essobi: ACLU/EFF only do so much.

[18:24:06]

iamlindoro:

You change careers fast

[18:24:10]

kormoc:

erm

[18:24:11]

iamlindoro:

you were a layer 10 minutes ago

[18:24:14]

iamlindoro:

lawyer

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meshe:

Essobi: right and they got nailed in court

[18:24:15]

Essobi:

xris: That's true.

[18:24:18]

kormoc:

ACLU doesn't represent everything

[18:24:24]

kormoc:

they have to pick and choose

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Quantumstate:

I didn't say spin me up a fork, but to advocate and work toward a good one, maybe based on XBMC.

[18:24:27]

kormoc:

so relying on them...

[18:24:27]

sphery:

ok, 2 forks: http://sourceforge.net/projects/heliocreek/ and http://sourceforge.net/projects/mythdorarpms/

[18:24:39]

xris:

Essobi: but the main answer is "the people in charge of MythTV do not want *anything* to do with *anything* that might be construed as illegal"

[18:24:43]

Essobi:

mythdora doesn't count. ;)

[18:24:44]

laga:

a fork off mythtv based on xbmc

[18:24:45]

sphery:

the 2nd doesn't want to be a fork, but has been until RTL support is improved

[18:24:47]

laga:

yeah, sounds good

[18:24:47]

sid3windr:

myth dor arp ms!

[18:24:59]

sphery:

mythdorarpms != mythdora

[18:25:08]

sphery:

it's a poor name choice for a project

[18:25:11]

kormoc:

Quantumstate, Have fun, I think it's clear that you're not going to get anything out of this channel, so it's likely in everyone's interest if this topic is just dropped

[18:25:12]

Quantumstate:

Don't be stupid schlazor. I can't be both? Maybe I prefer one over the other?

[18:25:12]

sphery:

it's the RTL one

[18:25:21]

Essobi:

sphery: haha.. yea.

[18:25:29]

schlazor:

Quantumstate: oh snap

[18:25:32]

Quantumstate:

You too lindoro

[18:25:42]

iamlindoro:

What about me?

[18:25:48]

kormoc:

Let's keep it civil folks...

[18:26:15]

** iamlindoro yawns **

[18:26:24]

Essobi:

Maybe we should just move the project to an international waters colo-center.

[18:26:28]

Essobi:

heh

[18:26:32]

iamlindoro:

Yet another case of those unable to do any of the work demanding that it be done their way

[18:26:49]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: So is that python thing I asked for done yet?

[18:27:12]

sphery:

Essobi: that didn't even work for the Pirate Bay people, did it?

[18:27:46]

kormoc:

iamlindoro, totally, it's in the mail... when do I get my check?

[18:27:54]

wagnerrp:

Essobi: the site is still up isnt it?

[18:28:04]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Ugh, you don't understand what open source is about, MAN!

[18:28:20]

kormoc:

Drat... why did I quit my day job again?

[18:28:23]

iamlindoro:

kormoc: Don't you know Open source is about listening to the yooooosurs?

[18:28:31]

iamlindoro:

And doing exactly what they tell you to?

[18:28:35]

sphery:

kormoc: oh, yeah, you need to be very careful with JS... Anyone who gets FOSS would know that: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html

[18:28:58]

sphery:

iamlindoro: it's not his fault. He fell into the JS trap.

[18:29:12]

** iamlindoro dangles a vine to kormoc to get him out of that trap **

[18:29:45]

sphery:

(I get what RMS is saying, there, but really...)

[18:29:46]

** kormoc laughs **

[18:30:20]

Essobi:

sphery: Fair enough...

[18:31:02]

sphery:

just put a new about:config property in Firefox that allows you to disable all JS that's not openly licensed (and make some standard means of specifying license within the JS itself). Then RMS can have things his way and we can still use the 'net.

[18:31:17]

Essobi:

sphery: Fine line thou between people profiting from advertising on a site oriented to piracy, and people writing free software.. I can see how you might consider them the same. :)

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xris:

Essobi: give it a rest. regardless of what you think and might want to argue, the channel rules still stand.

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iamlindoro:

Well, all the good TV is over, now I can make really nasty changes to my backend

[18:33:15]

Essobi:

So many ways to twist that comment, so little time. :)

[18:33:18]

xris:

iamlindoro: mythbusters and good eats just hit new episodes.

[18:33:20]

iamlindoro:

Although "Glee" might be fun, though that's just a fall preview tonight

[18:33:30]

iamlindoro:

xris: I don't watch the former, *love* the latter

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iamlindoro:

xris: I actually like pretty much anything Alton Brown is on, enjoy that the food is great, the little goofy flair, and the little bit of cooking science

[18:34:31]

Essobi:

I like alton brown

[18:35:11]

AndyCap:

somebody should film Steve, don't eat it! and put it on TV. :>

[18:35:13]

Essobi:

He's a food nerd.

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schlazor:

its like if harold mcgee didn't have a face for newspapers

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edman007:

hi, i'm trying to build 0.21-fixes and i have QT4 and QT3 installed, it is trying to build against QT4 and throwing errors...can i tell it to use qt3?

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iamlindoro:

edman007: --qmake=

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iamlindoro:

and point it at the qt3 qmake

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edman007:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

np

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iamlindoro:

your source is probably a bit tainted at this point, so you will at *least* need to make distclean, but possibly hunt and destroy any makefiles it misses

[18:39:22]

meshe:

make qmake_all

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meshe:

should reset the qmake used by all the sub makefiles

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meshe:

after doing ./configure

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sphery:

edman007: /must/ specify QTDIR for Qt3 (and don't specify it for Qt4)

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edman007:

sphery, QTDIR.. like QTDIR=/usr/lib64/qt-version ./configure ?

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meshe:

./configure --qmake=/path/to/my/qmake

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wagnerrp:

someone should toss a 'hello world' proprietary blob into the linux kernel, and see if stallmann notices

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edman007:

meshe, iamlindoro Unknown option "--qmake=/opt/kde3/bin/qmake"

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edman007:

umm....

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AndyCap:

wagnerrp: don't you mean in the hurd kernel? :P

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wagnerrp:

mach still exists in a form other than OSX?

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AndyCap:

mach? I dunno. I suspect they dumped that when the thing actually booted in favour of a rewrite in some other guy's NIH cool kernel of the day

[18:50:02]

AndyCap:

s/kernel/microkernel/

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iamlindoro:

edman007: It's possible that option was introduced in trunk when we went to Qt4, so I may have fed you bad information-- sounds like sphery has it right, use ./configure --help and check for the QTDIR option there

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sphery:

edman007: I installed Qt3 to /opt/qt3 (which has its own bin/, lib/, etc.) so I use export QTDIR=/opt/qt3

[18:51:15]

iamlindoro:

or that :)

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edman007:

sphery, alright...

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wagnerrp:

ah, hurd still exists, but a couple years ago they dropped Mach for something more modern

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AndyCap:

heh, iphone

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meshe:

yeah, sorry about that, i've only ever compiled trunk

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newuser325:

Hi, Does anyone know what package I have not installed if I am trying to compile fixes0.21 and it is saying it can't find qptrlst.h and qsocket.h ? The error is displayed after compile for quite some time so compiling is working to some degree. Using Mythbuntu 8.10. Thanks

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meshe:

all of my 0.21-fixes boxes are mythbuntu

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iamlindoro:

newuser325: Sounds like you don't have the qt3 dev libraries installed

[18:54:16]

iamlindoro:

The first few libs aren't from myth, which would explain some of the compile working

[18:54:57]

iamlindoro:

since you are on mythbuntu, do "apt-get build-dep mythtv"

[18:55:05]

iamlindoro:

which should pull in any missing dependencies

[18:55:17]

iamlindoro:

and you'll probably need an sudo, silly buntu

[18:55:44]

edman007:

sphery, not working either...it is still using qt4

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newuser325:

Thats a possibility as I have followed instructions for trunk from http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Ubuntu-8.10_Source_Install ? Should adding qt3-dev-tools libqt3-dev do the trick? I have already tried build-dep so I tried the Wiki and have got much further it is just the qt3 dev libraries I think. Does anyone know if its "sudo apt-get installqt3-dev-tools libqt3-dev" ?

[18:57:15]

sphery:

I purposefully installed my Qt3 and Qt4 in completely separate dirs (/opt/qt3 and /opt/qt4) to ensure that I could use them as if I had only one installed. I've never tried to use one versus the other on a commingled install.

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sphery:

so I probably can't be any more help... soryy

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iamlindoro:

newuser325: If build-dep didn't do it, you did something wrong, that's exactly the same as apt-get installing each and every dependency

[18:58:37]

iamlindoro:

and no reason to install the dev tools, you just need the dev libraries

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newuser325:

Thanks I will give build-dev another try and then try libqt3-dev cheers.

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iamlindoro:

dep with a p

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Essobi:

Hmm... Is it difficult to get mythtv to spawn arbitrary programs?

[19:07:37]

wagnerrp:

thats exactly what mythgame is for

[19:07:42]

Essobi:

Like it'd be nice to have a sleep/shutdown menu...

[19:07:48]

Essobi:

wagnerrp: Oh.. good point.

[19:08:04]

wagnerrp:

you can add menus using the xml system

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wagnerrp:

check out mythappletrailers (or something like that) for an example

[19:08:45]

laga:

uh

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laga:

or just look at the existing examples in the xml files ;)

[19:08:57]

laga:

or in the wiki

[19:09:20]

wagnerrp:

ah, TBH, i didnt know of any other examples

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sphery:

grep for EXEC (all caps) in, i.e., the blue theme

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schlazor:

oh man, i just hacked the flash streaming script to detect the aspect ratio and add letterbox or pillarboxing as needed and then saw kormoc's patch where he smartly just looks it up the aspect ratio in the db instead of using ffmpeg to get the height and width. oh well.

[19:12:13]

newuser325:

When I try a "sudo apt-get build-dep mythtv" it returns a "package liblame-dev has no installation candidate" I am using a default Mythbuntu 8,10 installation. Does anyone know what I need to do?

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iamlindoro:

newuser325: Sounds like the ubuntu myth build scripts are broken-- it should still present you with a list of packages it was going to try to install, you can apt-get install those (cut and paste the list in)

[19:27:05]

newuser325:

Just tried cutting and pasting and trying to compile again and I still get the errors with "qptrlist.h" and "qsocket.h" no such file or directory. Could I try anything else?

[19:27:47]

iamlindoro:

Those files can *only* mean missing qt3 libraries, can't be anything else

[19:28:16]

newuser325:

If the qt3 libraries are installed which directory should they be?

[19:28:23]

iamlindoro:

You might want to take your question to #ubuntu-mythtv, however, since you're doing a "semi-packaged" approach

[19:28:31]

iamlindoro:

they will likely be in /usr/lib/

[19:28:51]

GreyFoxx:

hahahaha do Udo pops up AGAIN, having done nothing tapping his toes because it hasn't been fixed yet ?

[19:28:56]

iamlindoro:

and the headers will probably be in /usr/include/qt

[19:29:15]

iamlindoro:

er /usr/include/qt3

[19:29:26]

iamlindoro:

GreyFoxx: Yep, what an ass

[19:30:18]

Essobi:

wagnerrp: Roger that.

[19:30:34]

sphery:

but I think we can all agree that if running a program uses memory that /something/ is definitely wrong

[19:30:49]

Josh_Borke:

definitely

[19:30:58]

iamlindoro:

sphery: haha

[19:31:06]

newuser325:

Yes the qt3 files are their. I think I need to tell Myth to compile using qt3 anyone know how to do that? At the moment going off the messages going by it is using qt4 directory?

[19:32:32]

iamlindoro:

newuser325: you should seek help in #ubuntu-mythtv, you have managed to munge up your source, why are you trying to compile your own anyway?

[19:35:43]

newuser325:

Trying to make my first code change and submit a patch to see if will be accepted.

[19:36:11]

iamlindoro:

newuser325: To what code? Generally speaking, any patch needs to be against trunk, no -fixes

[19:36:16]

iamlindoro:

er not -fixes

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Josh_Borke:

newuser325: if you're trying to patch something that requires qt3 then you're doing it wrong

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kormoc:

schlazor, but my changeset requires trunk

[19:37:40]

iamlindoro:

newuser325: Trunk is now compiled against qt4, and is a night and day difference from the current release, so (with a very few exceptions) you will need to patch that, but knowing what you plan to do could help us guide you better

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schlazor:

kormoc: yeah i realize that, just still feel dumb for not searching for a patch first. although i guess if one wanted to stream mythvideo via flash my method would work and yours wouldn't.

[19:39:25]

kormoc:

true, although the ticket that changeset references has the code for ffmpeg detection as well ;)

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sphery:

and we really need to do the whole streaming thing right (i.e. backend support) before making the current proof-of-concept good enough that people are no longer motivated to do things right :)

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Essobi:

sphery: Streaming will lead to lawsuits. Best to avoid that until you speak to a lawyer.

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GreyFoxx:

I just wish there was a simple way to do on the fly transcoding to flash with seeking. It kinda sucks having to keep a flash copy of everything to allow for seeking

[19:41:31]

iamlindoro:

Essobi: You really are looking for a fight, aren't you?

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newuser325:

Yes i know it should be against trunk but I do not have another machine to run both fixes and trunk so I want to see if I can do the code changes with fixes first. I just want to make a minor change to the preview generator code to force it to not use frame 0 for the preview image – I want it to use frame 10/20/25 or something at a minimum (perhaps if frame is < 25 force to 25 and if seconds <1 force 1). This should stop the ini

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Essobi:

iamlindoro: Nope.. but streaming CAN be illegal, no?

[19:42:06]

iamlindoro:

Essobi: Again, maybe until you have done *anything* for this project you should keep your opinion on how it should be run to yourself?

[19:42:26]

Essobi:

iamlindoro: Sure, I'll start commiting tonight. :)

[19:42:31]

iamlindoro:

No, you won't

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GreyFoxx:

just about anything can be illegal in some way

[19:42:40]

GreyFoxx:

but if this is in refferring to torrents and such

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Essobi:

GreyFoxx: Ayup.

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iamlindoro:

as the average joe doesn't get to commit anything-- but feel free to start writing patches

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GreyFoxx:

get real, be honest people. We all know that the VAST majority of mp3's around the net, and vast majority of torrenting is NOT legit

[19:43:11]

iamlindoro:

the more you write, the more your opinion will actually matter instead of just being obnoxious

[19:43:14]

GreyFoxx:

and no I will not get into a 5 year old "prove it" contest

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Essobi:

Oh and those nextcom devices that dude was pointing to... those are totally illegal in the DMCA.

[19:43:59]

Essobi:

GreyFoxx: That true.. so why does myth support Mp3s, and not torrents if... the majority of both are illegal?

[19:44:01]

Josh_Borke:

i read streaming as being able to watch like youtube and hulu. how am i mis-interpreting it such that i miss torrents?

[19:44:30]

GreyFoxx:

Essobi: mp3's are files, not ways of accessing other content

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schlazor:

tough crowd today

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iamlindoro:

newuser325: The preview generation point is already user-configurable

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GreyFoxx:

Josh_Borke: That's from earlier :)

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iamlindoro:

newuser325: And by default ISTR it's set to 60 seconds in, not frame 0

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GreyFoxx:

Essobi: And in the end it's irrelevant what you or I think. The devs who live in the US of lawsuits do not way to expose themselves to ridiculous lawsuits. Doesn't matter if they legal win, it's expensive to defend yourself. and the *AA have a lot more money to waste on lawyers

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GreyFoxx:

Wow, that sentence made NO sense

[19:46:53]

Essobi:

GreyFoxx: Very true thou. :)

[19:47:15]

Essobi:

and I grepped what you meant.

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newuser325:

The default only seems to work for certain files for me – e.g. recorded TV files. Other files the first frame of the video is used – e.g. if you have manually converted from MPG to AVI to save space and then added to database "recorded" table?

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Essobi:

So.. that being the case.. Perhaps there should be a sister project.. (not touched by the devs obviously) hosted in some bastard country that the *AA doesn't have a vice-like grip on..

[19:50:31]

schlazor:

alternatively lobby elected officials to change laws to be more consumer friendly

[19:50:40]

GreyFoxx:

Yeah

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Essobi:

.... excuse my pondering but how big is the user base? ..

[19:51:01]

schlazor:

assuming you're not trying to convert someones chattles

[19:51:28]

schlazor:

chattels*

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GreyFoxx:

Essobi: I think there are 9k or so on the -users list, many many more who are not on the lists

[19:51:41]

Essobi:

schlazor: Lobbying takes money unfortunately, whereas the previous doesn't require much..

[19:51:42]

GreyFoxx:

and that number is old

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schlazor:

Essobi: grass roots efforts are cheap

[19:52:44]

Essobi:

true enough...

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schlazor:

there are plenty of other groups out there that share our desire for more open content

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iamlindoro:

newuser325: What you are describing would only happen if the seeking on the file was broken, which is a much deeper problem to solve-- also possible that you still have the old seektable which would break seeking on a new file

[19:54:28]

iamlindoro:

Or no seektable at all, which would also break things

[19:54:45]

Essobi:

To seek, or not to seek.

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newuser325:

As its an AVI file does it need seek table entries playback seems to work fine?

[19:57:10]

iamlindoro:

It's very likely that it does

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newuser325:

Thanks I will investigate further.

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iamlindoro:

Anyway, *any* time it fails to respect the user setting for the preview, it's because a) seeking is broken on the file, or b) you are on a screen that has the image before the file has that much video, and so it will pick an earlier spot. Neither is going to be a simple change

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iamlindoro:

aaaand he's gone

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sphery:

iamlindoro: are you talking to yourself, again?

[20:19:56]

iamlindoro:

Yeah, spehry's talking to us again

[20:19:59]

iamlindoro:

sphery's

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laga:

awesome

[20:27:39]

sphery:

what? You think I was avoiding you all?

[20:27:47]

sphery:

I missed you.

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laga:

i doubt that somehow ;)

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jpabq:

I am surprised that Medium has been cancelled.

[20:35:28]

iamlindoro:

Never watched it, but if it was mildly good, there's your answer :)

[20:35:36]

iamlindoro:

I am somewhat looking forward to "glee" tonight

[20:35:51]

iamlindoro:

I used to like Nip/Tuck a lot, and it's the same people

[20:35:56]

jpabq:

iamlindoro: glee is just a "preview". When does the series actually start?

[20:36:02]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: Fall

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wagnerrp:

ive never much been one for singing and dancing

[20:36:18]

jpabq:

So, why show a preview now? Trying to build hype?

[20:36:48]

jpabq:

Dollhouse renewed, Terminator cancelled.

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: Guess so-- Reviews have been off the charts, and watched a short preview that looked promising

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: While a show about a glee club necessarily has some of that, I think it's just as much Drama/Comedy

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jpabq:

I have not actually watched any of the Terminator episodes yet. Probably will eventually — now that summer is here.

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iamlindoro:

Was very glad about Fringe and Dollhouse, though

[20:38:24]

iamlindoro:

Of all the networks, much to my surprise, Fox has done right by me the most this year

[20:38:32]

iamlindoro:

ABC can burn in hell

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iamlindoro:

NBC, meh, glad Chuck is coming back (albeit with big changes)

[20:38:54]

iamlindoro:

and I watch nothing on CBS

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wagnerrp:

what has ABC dropped (other than PD)?

[20:39:13]

iamlindoro:

Life on Mars

[20:39:21]

wagnerrp:

ah, forgot about that

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jpabq:

I have watched about 4 episodes of Fringe. That is a very dark show.

[20:39:25]

cpufreak2589:

I am at the very very beginning of setting up a htpc that will use myth, but first I am trying to make sure my pchdtv 5500 card is working right on ubuntu 9.04....I have installed it, it seems to be recognized, but dtvsignal <any number> does nothing for me....where does a noob turn? ubuntu forums have gone nowhere

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jpabq:

I will miss "Life".

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: It gets increasingly good as the season goes on, but yeah, darkish

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wagnerrp:

so three episodes on PD, and i can kill that schedule, terminator is gone

[20:40:29]

wagnerrp:

what else i can drop?

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jpabq:

I really do not understand why CSI is so popular. It is not a bad show, but it is not (even close to being) a great show.

[20:40:59]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority prefers episodic to serialized drama

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schlazor:

i liked the unusuals, apparently that got dropped, still 4 eps left tho

[20:41:21]

iamlindoro:

jpabq: Whereas my experience w/ the tech crowd, here, and other types like us, we tend to prefer complicated and serialized

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iamlindoro:

jpabq: I personally *hate* procedurals and episodic shows, which leaves little to watch

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jpabq:

I also don't really understand why "24" is so popular either. I watched it, but at 2x speed to get through it. I understand that they are not even trying to be even remotely realistic on that show, but they push it a little too far, for me.

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gbee:

I'd have to generally agree with that, I still record a couple of procedurals just as filler, something to stick on while I switch off

[20:44:24]

schlazor:

does house count as a procedural?

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schlazor:

l&o/csi have no appeal but i do love me that dr house

[20:44:54]

wagnerrp:

theres an ongoing storyline, but not much of one

[20:45:10]

wagnerrp:

you can watch the episodes in any order without missing much

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gbee:

didn't stick with 24 after the first series, got halfway through the second before finding the pace and constant twists draining, not to mention it stretched credibility beyond my limits

[20:46:05]

jpabq:

gbee: agreed

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gbee:

with House I could have kept watching, but when the latest series was bought by a Pay TV channel over here I didn't shed a tear

[20:46:20]

Essobi:

I've been watching the re-runs of West Wing.. scarey how it reflects into todays life in America still..

[20:46:26]

iamlindoro:

I never really liked 24, but picked it up this season and thought it was better than the last time I tried it

[20:46:37]

gbee:

Essobi: ditto

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iamlindoro:

and ended up watching the whole season

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jpabq:

iamlindoro: I have recorded this season, but not watched.

[20:47:05]

jpabq:

West Wing was a very well written, well acted show

[20:47:34]

schlazor:

in laws have all the west wing dvds, perhaps i'll borrow

[20:47:36]

wagnerrp:

fringe is moving to thursdays at 9, 'against raitings superheroes Grey's Anatomy, CSI, and The Office'... i thought greys anatomy ended

[20:47:47]

schlazor:

you hoped it ended

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schlazor:

;)

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schlazor:

i'm sure they'll milk that one for another 5 years

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iamlindoro:

Suppose it's too much to hope they're rescue Dollhouse from Friday's

[20:48:16]

iamlindoro:

er Firdays

[20:48:18]

iamlindoro:

Fridays

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schlazor:

i kind of wonder if they just figure their entire audience watches it on hulu or DVRs anyway

[20:48:38]

wagnerrp:

but they just had a 2-part show finale (my sister watches it)

[20:48:41]

schlazor:

so its timeslot doesn't matter

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iamlindoro:

It needs to improve drastically to get a third season

[20:49:10]

schlazor:

well, lost had a 2 part finale too, but there's another season still

[20:49:17]

iamlindoro:

(Dollhouse)

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iamlindoro:

And I think it needs to come off Fridays to have a chance

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Essobi:

I havn't watched Dollhouse at all...

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schlazor:

yeah, i'm not sure it will.. i do generally like it, but some of the characters are unforgiveable. not much you can do about that

[20:49:57]

wagnerrp:

the stargates ran their entire length on friday

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: A million people watching a show on cable is very different than a million watching it on network TV

[20:50:43]

iamlindoro:

At its peak, stargate never had ratings that would have gotten it renewed on network TV

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jpabq:

"Lie To Me" is extremely poorly written. Another show which pushes the boundaries of what is believable.

[20:51:25]

iamlindoro:

Stargate pulled in 1.1 and 1.2s (overall), which was half of Dollhouse's abysmal ratings

[20:51:27]

schlazor:

yeah maybe dollhouse should have been on that syphilis channel

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Essobi:

lol

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gbee:

currently enjoying seeing The Wire for the first time, BBC are running all the series back to back. IMHO the best tv drama I've seen in a very long time, maybe even the best of all

[20:53:26]

Essobi:

gbee: My dad watched that religiously.. He loves cop shows.

[20:53:27]

gbee:

which I feel dirty for saying, since it was so hyped

[20:53:51]

Essobi:

I think he shed a tear when Hillstreet blues went off..

[20:54:11]

schlazor:

i still miss hillstreet blues

[20:54:20]

Essobi:

schlazor: Ditto.

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Essobi:

Anyone watched The Unusuals?

[20:54:47]

schlazor:

Essobi: i did

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shadash:

I miss Miami Vice

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schlazor:

do, i guess

[20:55:09]

schlazor:

i dunno, miami vice got old after the first season

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shadash:

Although Nash Bridges washed away my tears

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Essobi:

Hehe.. So did Dragnet.

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gbee:

seems unfair to lump in The Wire as a cop show, sure it's about cops, but it's unlike most others – not least because it's not episodic in any way, each season and the series as a whole follows a single story arc

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shadash:

Miami Vice was awesome becasue of Michael Mann

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Essobi:

I learned what LSD and "maryjane" was watching Dragnet.. *SNICKER*

[20:56:24]

Essobi:

gbee: True true..

[20:56:38]

wagnerrp:

wow! they killed Guiding Light

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RyeBrye:

wagnerrp: first TSCC now guiding light?

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schlazor:

lol

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shadash:

Michael Mann's direction made Miami Vice cool

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wagnerrp:

they never gave it a chance... only 58 seasons

[20:57:54]

RyeBrye:

the plans they had for season 75 were mind-blowing

[20:58:00]

shadash:

If you watch Vice today look at all the weird camer angles

[20:58:22]

shadash:

and odd timing between scenes

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gbee:

guess The Wire can more favourably compared to The Sopranos

[20:58:38]

meshe:

that's going to be a record that's hard to beat, they've been running since 1937

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schlazor:

wikipedia says BET airs The Wire but i'm not seeing any listings for it

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shadash:

This is going to be an interesting Michael Mann production http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Enemies_(2009_film)

[21:01:26]

wagnerrp:

im more interested because of Depp than Mann

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shadash:

They're both good

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schlazor:

anyone watch "raising the bar" any good?

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wagnerrp:

apparently JJA put an r2d2 somewhere in Star Trek

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iamlindoro:

http://gizmodo.com/5261285/is-r2+d2-driving-the-enterprise

[21:12:32]

wagnerrp:

yeah, theyre having a contest, giving away some official props to whoever correctly finds it

[21:13:12]

wagnerrp:

of course one must wonder where theyre going to get photos of it

[21:13:21]

wagnerrp:

because certainly no one is bringing a camera into the theater

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RyeBrye:

Yeah, that's odd – it kind of encourages people to pirate the film

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wagnerrp:

someone made a poignant comment.... the contest should have coincided with the BR/DVD release

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wagnerrp:

have it as something to help drive sales

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sid3windr:

everyone has a camera in the theater

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sid3windr:

or is your cellphone really that old? ;)

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wagnerrp:

almost noone has a camera in the theater capable of taking a motion shot with any amount of detail

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meshe:

wait, stop, rewind that movie so i can get a shot of r2d2

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wagnerrp:

certainly nothing good enough to tell what youre looking at on screen

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sid3windr:

:)

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iamlindoro:

It's just a plot to send the staatspolizei to knock down your front door for downloading movies or decrypting Blu rays

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iamlindoro:

Everyone who enters wins a free trip to federal pound me in the ass prison

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wagnerrp:

well theres nothing wrong with videotaping your tv

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wagnerrp:

hell, they WANT teachers to do that

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shadash:

Have people seen this? http://www.myka.tv/

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shadash:

Linux operating system

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iamlindoro:

Yes, it's yet another one of those Sigma chip boxes

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iamlindoro:

which means it's open right up until the point where you want info on the video decode DSP

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shadash:

would it work as a frontend?

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iamlindoro:

As a myth frontend? No.

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shadash:

ahh

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iamlindoro:

As a uPnP device/video player, sure

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shadash:

gotcha

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iamlindoro:

If you st myth aside, though, seems like a neat little video appliance

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iamlindoro:

er set myth

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mchou:

there is nothing to prevent that box from playing back files recorded by myth

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shadash:

that's what I thought

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shadash:

you'd just have to work with their os

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mchou:

it probably has the advantage of being less buggy than nvidia ion too

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mchou:

a dedicated mpegX HW decoder ASIC that been qualified as opposed to some crappy nvidia junk

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mchou:

I cant vouch for that particular box bug I trust sigma designs decoders any day over nvidias

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mchou:

s/bug/but

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mchou:

If all you need is a myth frontend I say go for it

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mchou:

the throw switch in the back is a bit extreme though

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mchou:

it apparently is also missing SATA

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Essobi:

Anyone picked up that apress book on myth?

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iamlindoro:

Published May 2007-- might be some good general information, but anything specific might be wrong/confusing

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mythbox1:

anyone have knowledge of mythstreamtv?

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mythbox1:

I get this error when I try to stream from my mythdora 10.21 box: "inhibit interface error: Failed to connect to the D-Bus session daemon: dbus-launch failed to autolaunch D-Bus session: Autolaunch error: X11 initialization failed."

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mythbox1:

no takers?

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jamiem:

mythbox1 is dbus-x11 installed

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jamiem:

oh

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gbee:

iamlindoro: MythThemedDialog is libmyth, not mythui, so even if he's using trunk, it's not a ported screen/plugin

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iamlindoro:

gbee, Hadn't thought of that possibility, but yeah, figured something in that neighborhood

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gbee:

guess I could have posted that to the list instead, but I'm not opening my mail client again tonight so ...

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