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| [00:04:18] | dibbz: | good morning.. i'm wanting to add an external channel changer to the network recorder device, but i cant find any dialog anywhere for it |
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| [02:48:57] | mystere_man: | Can anyone tell me if there is a schedule service available for non-US/Canada markets? I don't care if I have to pay for it, I would just like to know if it's possible and if mtv works with it |
| [02:51:12] | mystere_man: | I'm aware that schedules direct is considering doing schedules for other markets, but it's not there yet. |
| [02:52:53] | wagnerrp: | there are any number of xmltv providers and scrapers around the world |
| [02:53:52] | wagnerrp: | although you seem to be in arizona |
| [02:53:54] | mystere_man: | Ah.. that gives me a place to start.. it's very hard to formulate searchs because the topics include too much noise |
| [02:53:57] | CShadowRun: | I just installed the latest version of mythbuntu, and i don't seem to have a media library like i see in all the screenshots :( |
| [02:54:14] | wagnerrp: | CShadowRun: the media library is part of mythvideo, its a plugin |
| [02:54:15] | mystere_man: | No, i'm not in AZ, that's just where my internet service terminates.. i'm in central america |
| [02:54:25] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp oh, is it easy to install? |
| [02:54:29] | wagnerrp: | but it should come packaged with mythbuntu |
| [02:54:41] | wagnerrp: | i believe all the 1st party plugins are |
| [02:54:49] | CShadowRun: | ah, where do i enable it then? |
| [02:54:58] | wagnerrp: | dont know, never used mythbuntu |
| [02:55:18] | CShadowRun: | surely it's in the mythtv ui somewhere? |
| [02:55:32] | wagnerrp: | it should be visible but empty in 'media library' -> 'videos' |
| [02:55:42] | wagnerrp: | 'watch videos' |
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| [02:56:19] | CShadowRun: | yea, i don't have that. I have Watch recordings, upcoming recordings, schedule recordings, recording priorities, system status, utilities/setup |
| [02:56:50] | mystere_man: | I'm curious if there's any device out there that let's you grab guide information off the cable. I've seen TV's that can pick up that data, are there any tuners or other devices that do that? |
| [02:56:51] | wagnerrp: | those... shouldnt be on the same menu |
| [02:57:06] | CShadowRun: | haha |
| [02:57:14] | wagnerrp: | mystere_man: ive not heard of anything doing that except for the official cable box |
| [02:57:26] | CShadowRun: | maybe my dad messed it up...he was using it earlier |
| [02:57:42] | wagnerrp: | there is EIT data, but thats up to the broadcasters how much they want to make available |
| [02:57:50] | wagnerrp: | in some countries, you get up to a week or more |
| [02:58:05] | wagnerrp: | in the US, its usually less than a day, and often just the current and next show |
| [02:58:13] | mystere_man: | Ahh... |
| [02:58:17] | CShadowRun: | ah, got it :) |
| [02:58:27] | wagnerrp: | CShadowRun: there are multiple layouts available, but im only used to the default |
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| [02:58:40] | CShadowRun: | yea, i changed the layout, i put it back to default, much better :) |
| [02:59:14] | wagnerrp: | anyway, after you go into the settings and tell it where your non-recording content is stored |
| [02:59:30] | wagnerrp: | you have to go into the video manager 'utilities/setup' -> 'video manager' |
| [02:59:39] | CShadowRun: | yea, i left that as default and just dumped a file in there |
| [02:59:40] | wagnerrp: | when you enter it, it will automatically rescan your folder |
| [02:59:54] | CShadowRun: | it only scans the folder when you tell it to? |
| [03:00:05] | wagnerrp: | only when you go into the video manager |
| [03:00:11] | wagnerrp: | there is no scheduled scan |
| [03:00:16] | mystere_man: | I'm seeing that there are "grabbers" to grab data from TV Guide.. does TVG change their formats regularly to defeat this? |
| [03:00:34] | wagnerrp: | you can have it browse the directories directly, but then you lose the ability to use metadata |
| [03:00:54] | wagnerrp: | mystere_man: i wouldnt know, but that is a problem you face when using a website scraper |
| [03:01:13] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp in the video manager it says "Enter IMDB #" but i can't type anything :S |
| [03:02:05] | mystere_man: | I'm just trying to decide if I should even bother trying to build a mythbox.. if i can't get guide data, it's pointless |
| [03:02:27] | wagnerrp: | 1, the keypad doesnt really work, but it should instead pop up the on-screen keyboard |
| [03:02:37] | wagnerrp: | 2, the imdb scraper is next to worthless anymore |
| [03:02:57] | mystere_man: | It's not a matter of not wanting to pay.. i'd pay if there was a service.. but you know how it goes |
| [03:02:59] | CShadowRun: | ok :) |
| [03:03:21] | wagnerrp: | imdb has made it known in their TOS that they do not want scrapers being run on their site |
| [03:03:33] | wagnerrp: | and they have changed their site to break old scrapers |
| [03:03:53] | CShadowRun: | that's lame :( |
| [03:03:54] | wagnerrp: | so... the mythtv imdb scraper has been abandoned in favor of one for themoviedb.org |
| [03:04:02] | CShadowRun: | :D |
| [03:04:08] | CShadowRun: | then why does it ask for an imdb#? :S |
| [03:04:55] | wagnerrp: | the tmdb scraper was added after the 0.21 release, and is still not default in 0.21-fixes |
| [03:05:30] | wagnerrp: | and even in trunk, or the guides to explain how to backport the tmdb scraper to -fixes, it still references off the IMDB number rather than the TMDB number |
| [03:05:44] | CShadowRun: | i see |
| [03:05:53] | CShadowRun: | thanks :) |
| [03:05:53] | wagnerrp: | this will likely be overhauled completely in the future |
| [03:06:03] | wagnerrp: | to allow multiple scrapers, rather than just one |
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| [04:58:13] | k-man: | i had a problem with one of my tuners which meant it could not be used for recording, and now I have all these recordings where the file cannot be found. is there a way to find them all and delete them? |
| [05:02:29] | wagnerrp: | theres some perl script that manages orphaned files and recordings |
| [05:02:37] | wagnerrp: | should be in contrib |
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| [05:07:33] | k-man: | wagnerrp: thanks, found it and fixed them. |
| [05:08:02] | k-man: | it also told me i have many thumbnails that don't refer to any file, afaict, it cannot delete those. any idea how to delete those? |
| [05:08:16] | wagnerrp: | rm? |
| [05:09:35] | k-man: | i have 383 orphaned thumbnails apparantly |
| [05:09:54] | wagnerrp: | TBH, i wouldnt worry about them, since they are likely a few KB apice |
| [05:10:11] | k-man: | yeah, its 18 meg |
| [05:10:13] | k-man: | not much |
| [05:10:16] | wagnerrp: | it may be dirty, but its not like its taking any meaningful amount of storage |
| [05:10:21] | k-man: | just thought i could clean them up while im at it |
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| [05:21:25] | joobie: | guys im getting this issue compiling v4l-drv .. http://pastebin.com/m1c65b114 |
| [05:21:42] | joobie: | any help appreciated.. i dont think my usb tuner uses that module, so should be OK to remove it from the build process.. just not sure howt o do this |
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| [05:22:52] | wagnerrp: | it may be easier to just upgrade to a modern kernel that has the drivers you need merged in |
| [05:23:16] | wagnerrp: | that 2.6.18 is several years old |
| [05:23:43] | wagnerrp: | sept 2006 to be exact |
| [05:24:21] | joobie: | ahh |
| [05:24:31] | joobie: | i just realised i have exclude=kernel* in my yum.conf |
| [05:24:48] | joobie: | dun wana go compiling my own kernel just for ease of use |
| [05:24:59] | joobie: | cool there's a new kernel:) |
| [05:25:08] | joobie: | ill try against those headers |
| [05:25:22] | wagnerrp: | no |
| [05:25:30] | wagnerrp: | you upgrade the kernel, and use the built in v4l libraries |
| [05:25:46] | joobie: | 2.6.18–128 new? |
| [05:26:05] | wagnerrp: | usually the only reason to use the mercurial v4l is if your drivers havent made it into the kernel yet |
| [05:26:19] | wagnerrp: | and like i said, 2.6.18 is from sept 2006 |
| [05:26:21] | joobie: | wagnerrp, http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-T_USB_Devices |
| [05:26:25] | joobie: | DiB0700 USB2.0 DVB-T devices |
| [05:26:27] | wagnerrp: | its up to 2.6.29 or 30 now |
| [05:26:27] | joobie: | that is my device |
| [05:26:30] | joobie: | on there it says.. |
| [05:26:34] | joobie: | Note: Currently, at least two dib0700-based devices are known to have problems. The NOVA-T-500 suffers from random disconnects after a few hours or days, and the NOVA-T-Stick, and possibly others using the same hardware, suffer from I2C errors. Updating to current Hg drivers and using new firmware should cure these. |
| [05:26:55] | joobie: | that's why i was planning on grabbing the src and using the latest drivers, rather than what came iwththe kernel |
| [05:27:38] | joobie: | damn centos are far behind |
| [05:28:02] | wagnerrp: | so its been in-kernel since .19 |
| [05:28:51] | joobie: | but wouldnt be the latest build in kernel |
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| [05:32:55] | wagnerrp: | ok... looking back through the history |
| [05:33:08] | wagnerrp: | that error you are concerned about was added to the wiki on aug 10, 2007 |
| [05:33:17] | wagnerrp: | and no one has bothered to fix the page since |
| [05:33:32] | wagnerrp: | i think youre safe just grabing a new kernel and using the in-kernel drivers |
| [05:34:20] | joobie: | ahh thanks wagnerrp |
| [05:35:00] | joobie: | is the 2.6.18–128 incorporating that bug fix? |
| [05:35:13] | joobie: | because that's the latest centos stable kernel.... trying to avoid doing my own kernels on this box |
| [05:35:39] | wagnerrp: | i cant believe that centos has stagnated for almost three years |
| [05:35:52] | wagnerrp: | if it has, you need to dump centos because it has been abandoned |
| [05:36:42] | joobie: | that is the stable branch... they usually stick with the one kernel and just patch major issues.. until the next centos release |
| [05:36:45] | joobie: | the newer kernels go into fedora |
| [05:37:37] | wagnerrp: | what version are you running? |
| [05:37:44] | wagnerrp: | version of centos |
| [05:39:32] | joobie: | 5.3 |
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| [05:40:52] | joobie: | it's just the way the build is wagnerrp .. centos is a copy of the redhat enterprise build.. which is designed for stable production env.. they usually test new kernels, code, etc on the dev platform (fedora).. which has like a 1.5year release cycle before that code makes it to the redhat enterprise |
| [05:41:21] | joobie: | so they just really address major security issues in the running code until the new build comes out, when they do upgrades for features, etc |
| [05:41:55] | wagnerrp: | but for their brand new month old release to be using a 32 month old kernel.... just seems... wrong... |
| [05:43:47] | wagnerrp: | looks like the whole centos/rhel 5.x line is based off the 2.6.18 kernel |
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| [05:44:41] | joobie: | there could be bugs in the newer kernels that are not yet known |
| [05:44:51] | joobie: | i can see why they do it wagnerrp |
| [05:44:53] | wagnerrp: | i suppose they chose one when 5.0 came out back in apr 2007, and they just stick with it for the entire major version |
| [05:44:59] | joobie: | i guess is houldnt be using centos for a mediacenter:P |
| [05:45:09] | joobie: | yaa |
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| [07:36:48] | joobie: | hey guys |
| [07:37:02] | joobie: | having some odd behaviour.. just not sure how to approach it |
| [07:37:09] | joobie: | some channels on my dvb tuner come ok |
| [07:37:21] | joobie: | some come up black.. with audio, but the audio is sorta jumpy |
| [07:37:43] | joobie: | if it comes up black, when i press up on the keyboard to change the channel, i dont see the OSD |
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| [07:53:46] | joobie: | guys whats the command to scroll text at the bottom of the screen? |
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| [08:18:17] | oobe: | joobie have you looked into your graphics card |
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| [10:52:07] | DerBaer: | Hi, |
| [10:52:07] | DerBaer: | i want to trie MythTv to record/save/watch tv-movies, but I'm not sure, if I have the right hardware for that. |
| [10:52:07] | DerBaer: | I have an very old pc(433MHz i think), and a good pc, which I use for daily work. |
| [10:52:07] | DerBaer: | Can anyone say me, if these two Pcs are enough for my wishes? |
| [10:59:30] | at0m|c: | DerBaer: see http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-3.html , come back if you have any questions :) |
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| [11:34:03] | DerBaer: | I'm not sure, if i unstand this right: the frontend is only used to interact with the backend, |
| [11:34:03] | DerBaer: | and the backend captures the movies from the tv-card, writes the movies to the disk, updates the database, ..., |
| [11:34:03] | DerBaer: | but as i read it, with the right ty-card, the main-cpu didn't even need to encode the movie and can be very old? |
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| [11:38:18] | xand: | with the right tv card there is no encoding :P |
| [11:38:50] | DerBaer: | Ah, ok^^ |
| [11:38:56] | xand: | that means a digital one |
| [11:39:10] | DerBaer: | :P |
| [11:39:44] | DerBaer: | For me, it seems, that both Pcs needn't be so good. |
| [11:40:14] | DerBaer: | Is that right? |
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| [11:51:51] | AndyCap: | DerBaer: playback etc needs quite a bit of cpu. depending on resolution etc. |
| [11:53:40] | DerBaer: | Does this use the frontend or the backend CPU? |
| [11:55:01] | gbee: | frontend |
| [11:55:16] | gbee: | playback is done by the frontends, recording by the backend |
| [11:55:21] | DerBaer: | Hmm |
| [11:55:40] | DerBaer: | My backend-pc is good, the frontend isn't :( |
| [11:57:04] | DerBaer: | Hopefully i find a solution for that problem^^ |
| [11:57:11] | DerBaer: | But thanks for help everyone |
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| [12:40:36] | robert2: | stoth are you here? |
| [12:41:08] | stoth: | robert2: hey |
| [12:41:36] | robert2: | OK so I'm far along, just can't get the last bit to work |
| [12:42:11] | stoth: | ok: So in terms of getting the saa7164 driver to work, what does dmesg show when the driver loads? (don't paste output here, paste to pastebin.com and paste url here) |
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| [12:46:01] | robert2: | Almost there |
| [12:46:54] | robert2: | http://pastebin.com/m64c6d6e6 |
| [12:47:13] | robert2: | Remeber i have 2 hvr 2250 cards |
| [12:47:27] | stoth: | ok, so the drivers are installed correctly. |
| [12:47:42] | stoth: | configure them in mythtv and dvb / atsc cards. |
| [12:47:55] | robert2: | correct already done |
| [12:48:19] | stoth: | ok |
| [12:49:14] | stoth: | so, what's the issue? |
| [12:49:25] | robert2: | No TV |
| [12:49:36] | robert2: | On my frontend |
| [12:49:43] | stoth: | does tzap work? |
| [12:49:44] | robert2: | when I press WatchTV |
| [12:49:55] | robert2: | I get nothing |
| [12:50:03] | robert2: | What is TZap? |
| [12:50:30] | stoth: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tzap |
| [12:50:43] | stoth: | It's a command line app for testing hardware and drivers. |
| [12:50:44] | robert2: | Let me take a look at that |
| [12:51:12] | stoth: | Did you scan for channels in mythtv? |
| [12:51:48] | robert2: | Ahh maybe that is it. I just did it klake with my old... |
| [12:52:14] | robert2: | card and figured it would just get the info from... |
| [12:53:12] | robert2: | streamzapper or whatever it is.. |
| [12:53:20] | robert2: | Let me scan now. |
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| [12:59:52] | robert2: | Steve should I have the DiSEqC option set for anything? |
| [13:00:02] | stoth: | no |
| [13:04:06] | robert2: | As I try to scan I am getting no signals – Freq tables "Cable", Modulation Cable QAM-256, Channel separator None |
| [13:04:23] | stoth: | is australia? |
| [13:04:39] | robert2: | No US? |
| [13:04:43] | stoth: | ahh, ok. |
| [13:05:30] | stoth: | do you have a $HOME/.azap/channels.conf file? |
| [13:07:31] | robert2: | No the closest I have is for my HDHomerun: /home/mythtv/libhdhomerun/hdhomerun_channels.c |
| [13:07:49] | stoth: | edit, create a $HOME/.azap/channels.conf with this one line: |
| [13:07:49] | robert2: | channels.s.conf |
| [13:07:52] | stoth: | c80:561000000:QAM_256:33:36 |
| [13:08:13] | stoth: | tell me when you're done. |
| [13:08:40] | robert2: | wait , what did the last sentence mean? |
| [13:08:52] | stoth: | create the file, make it have that one line. |
| [13:08:59] | robert2: | Got it |
| [13:09:05] | robert2: | One sec.. |
| [13:12:22] | robert2: | KO I think I got it |
| [13:12:59] | robert2: | Soory bout the spelling-been up all night... |
| [13:13:16] | robert2: | :( |
| [13:14:02] | robert2: | Done |
| [13:15:40] | stoth: | azap -r c80 |
| [13:15:47] | stoth: | does it report LOCK? |
| [13:15:59] | stoth: | (assuming all your cabling is connected correctly) |
| [13:17:10] | robert2: | Arggh – no it can't find the azap command |
| [13:17:23] | stoth: | sudo apt-get install dvbutils |
| [13:19:00] | robert2: | Double arggh – Coundn't find package |
| [13:19:37] | stoth: | sudo apt-get install dvb-utils |
| [13:19:49] | clever: | tripple arg? :P |
| [13:19:57] | stoth: | ubuntu? |
| [13:20:19] | clever: | it sounds debian based, he had apt-get |
| [13:20:29] | stoth: | indeed. |
| [13:20:43] | robert2: | can't get it with No I was using fedora but "yum install dvbutils" doesn't work either |
| [13:21:07] | stoth: | yum install dvb-utils? |
| [13:21:09] | clever: | ahh, translating it:) |
| [13:21:09] | robert2: | nor does dvb-utils |
| [13:21:18] | stoth: | which distro? |
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| [13:21:32] | robert2: | mythdora 5 |
| [13:21:43] | stoth: | you need to find the azap package for your distro |
| [13:22:00] | robert2: | will do |
| [13:23:35] | robert2: | ahh its dvb-apps |
| [13:24:10] | robert2: | so when i run azap -r c80... |
| [13:24:14] | robert2: | I get... |
| [13:24:32] | robert2: | error while parsing frequency (not a number) |
| [13:24:59] | robert2: | using /dev/dvb/adapter0/frontend0 |
| [13:25:01] | stoth: | c80:561000000:QAM_256:33:36 |
| [13:25:13] | stoth: | Is this the contents of your channels.conf |
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| [13:26:38] | robert2: | Woops – had a semicolon in there instead of a hyphen. Lets try again |
| [13:26:56] | robert2: | I mean instead of a colon |
| [13:27:31] | robert2: | OK so I'm getting a stream of lines status, signal etc |
| [13:27:48] | robert2: | all numbers except signal are 0 |
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| [13:28:36] | robert2: | it is continuing |
| [13:28:42] | stoth: | do you know for sure that your cable is 1) good and 2) connected to the right input on the card? |
| [13:28:57] | robert2: | Let me double check... |
| [13:29:03] | stoth: | and, do you know whgether your cable system is IRC or HRC? |
| [13:32:37] | robert2: | No I don't know which one it is IRC or HRC... |
| [13:33:21] | robert2: | I have the same cable plugged in that was feeding my PVR-150 before to the top TV in plug |
| [13:33:27] | stoth: | Do you know for sure that any of your cable channels are digital? |
| [13:34:09] | robert2: | Well... I don't have a digital decoder box. Just using the straight cable input |
| [13:34:25] | robert2: | This is from Cox |
| [13:34:36] | stoth: | You know that the driver doesn't support analog tv yet, right? |
| [13:35:52] | robert2: | I do now |
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| [13:36:08] | stoth: | The blog did mention this quite a lot. |
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| [13:36:53] | robert2: | Well I was thinking that the cable signal was not analog but I think I am mistaken |
| [13:37:35] | stoth: | No, you do probably have some digital signals, I just wanted to point out the obvious. |
| [13:37:39] | robert2: | Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh |
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| [13:37:59] | stoth: | add this to the channels .conf: |
| [13:38:11] | stoth: | c83:579000000:QAM_256:33:36 |
| [13:38:13] | stoth: | and this |
| [13:38:19] | stoth: | c93:639000000:QAM_256:33:36 |
| [13:38:35] | stoth: | then try azap -r c83 or azap -r c93 to see if you get lock |
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| [13:40:53] | robert2: | No go |
| [13:41:22] | robert2: | Let me retreat to my fortress of solitude and figure out what to do from here... |
| [13:41:31] | stoth: | what's your zip? |
| [13:41:42] | robert2: | Thanks so very much for spending your time trying to help |
| [13:41:49] | robert2: | zip is 92103 |
| [13:42:12] | stoth: | http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . ineup_241771 |
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| [13:42:24] | stoth: | This is what you'll maybe get on digital cable. |
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| [13:42:30] | robert2: | yes I have a HDhomerun attached now |
| [13:42:45] | stoth: | oops: this -> http://www.silicondust.com/hdhomerun/lineup_w . . . ineup_281966 |
| [13:42:46] | robert2: | It does pick up the HD channels through the cable |
| [13:42:56] | stoth: | good, then the 7164 will work for you. |
| [13:43:21] | stoth: | looks like you should get 22 channels or so. |
| [13:43:54] | stoth: | add this to the channels.conf |
| [13:44:14] | stoth: | c79:555000000:QAM_256:33:36 |
| [13:44:19] | stoth: | then azap -r c79 |
| [13:45:07] | stoth: | you are connecting to the TV input on both of your cards, right? |
| [13:45:49] | robert2: | TV in on both cards right. |
| [13:46:07] | robert2: | I'm getting a device busy error |
| [13:46:35] | stoth: | myth is running |
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| [13:47:14] | robert2: | No it is stopped. I think it is from a previous azap |
| [13:48:55] | robert2: | let me just reboot |
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| [13:52:00] | robert2: | Even with azap -r c79 still not getting a lock... |
| [13:52:17] | robert2: | I've got to get in the shower... |
| [13:52:36] | robert2: | Will try again later. Thanks again. Bye |
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| [14:21:54] | iamlindoro: | GreyFoxx, yfayka |
| [14:22:09] | iamlindoro: | yfaykya, that is |
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| [16:47:37] | castlec: | hey guys. Can anyone tell me how to force a new download of scheduling info from schedules direct? |
| [16:47:52] | clever: | mythfilldatabase --help |
| [16:48:26] | castlec: | thanks |
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| [16:51:44] | castlec: | Thanks again clever. refresh-all did the trick |
| [16:52:12] | clever: | :) |
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| [16:56:18] | flexy: | based on what does the 'mythshutdown --startup' return 0 for automatic startup? I have "mythshutdown --startup returned: 1" in frontend logs and "2009-05–16 19:42:48.391 AUTO-Startup assumed |
| [16:56:27] | flexy: | " in backend logs |
| [16:58:02] | flexy: | resulting in mythwelcome starting frontend after automatic startup for scheduled recordings. And so it stays on and does not shut down after the recording, unless I use the frontend and escape from it to mythwelcome... |
| [16:58:42] | flexy: | I'm using 0.21-fixes with svn revision 20552 |
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| [17:44:46] | tomtom033: | How can I tell my frontend NOT to use the AC3 track, but the MP3 instead? |
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| [17:58:39] | Dark``: | hey all, when selecting 'transcode' in mythweb, my recording is transcoded to nupplevideo (.nuv). Is there a way to auto-transcode to a more known codec such as xvid? |
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| [18:01:40] | android6011: | when I run mythbackend I am getting "access denied for user 'mythtv'@'%' to database 'mythconverg' |
| [18:02:41] | android6011: | i edited mysql.txt and config.xml and changed everything to my lan ip so idk why it is saying @'%' |
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| [18:15:10] | wagnerrp: | did you go into mysql and give that computer permission to access the database? |
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| [18:32:37] | iamlindoro: | sphery, So, looks like Dollhouse gets a season 2 for sure :) :) |
| [18:33:09] | ** kormoc cheers ** | |
| [18:33:15] | iamlindoro: | Indeed! |
| [18:33:19] | kormoc: | Now all they have to do is introduce Miss Jewel ;) |
| [18:33:44] | iamlindoro: | Heh, they can bring most of Firefly (minus Captain Reynolds) back, they're all out of work ;) |
| [18:33:57] | kormoc: | I'd be happy! |
| [18:34:24] | iamlindoro: | I hope part of the negotiations include guarantees for Whedon to write more episodes |
| [18:34:32] | iamlindoro: | Or at least Time Minear |
| [18:34:34] | iamlindoro: | er Tim |
| [18:34:57] | iamlindoro: | They also need to get the DVD out soon so that more fans can pick it up over the summer |
| [18:36:38] | iamlindoro: | Think the DVD is out in June or July, so that should hopefully allow enough time for the right audience to pass it around to friends, etc. |
| [18:36:39] | wagnerrp: | iamlindoro: are you implying Chuck is axed? |
| [18:37:04] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Oh, hadn't been thinking of Adam Baldwin at all, actually, AFAIK Chuck should be back at least as a half season |
| [18:38:06] | iamlindoro: | Apparently Dollhouse gets a 40% ratings bump if you put in DVR numbers |
| [18:38:15] | iamlindoro: | which should come as a surprise to noone |
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| [18:39:08] | iamlindoro: | And that is, of course, just DVRs that phone home |
| [18:39:24] | wagnerrp: | werent you talking about some old sci-fi series 'V' several months back? |
| [18:39:42] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, Possibly-- have heard about the Remake with Elizabeth Mitchell |
| [18:39:50] | iamlindoro: | Heh, "some old" |
| [18:40:09] | wagnerrp: | ah... i was going to mention the remake with Alan Tudyk (Wash/Alpha) |
| [18:40:36] | iamlindoro: | 'Hey old man, didn't you say something about a show you used to watch on your old fashion TeeVee?" |
| [18:40:46] | iamlindoro: | s/fashion/fashioned/ |
| [18:40:50] | wagnerrp: | apparently Inara is involved too |
| [18:41:00] | wagnerrp: | hey... 1984? i wasnt even born yet |
| [18:41:05] | wagnerrp: | thats OLD man... |
| [18:41:25] | iamlindoro: | Easy |
| [18:41:49] | iamlindoro: | Alan tudyk has to be Willy |
| [18:42:00] | iamlindoro: | And I guess I could see Morena Baccarin as Diana |
| [18:42:08] | iamlindoro: | Look it up, kid ;) |
| [18:42:12] | wagnerrp: | Anna |
| [18:42:28] | wagnerrp: | and Dale |
| [18:42:38] | wagnerrp: | (reverse order, obviously) |
| [18:42:45] | iamlindoro: | Well now they're just making people up :) |
| [18:42:52] | iamlindoro: | Who's Hamm Tyler, dang it?? |
| [18:43:40] | iamlindoro: | If it weren't for LOST i would refuse to watch any more TV on ABC |
| [18:44:10] | wagnerrp: | its impressive just how much Michael Ironside has been in |
| [18:44:30] | AndyCap: | remake of V? oh no. |
| [18:44:57] | kormoc: | Never seen V actually |
| [18:44:59] | wagnerrp: | oh, i found a new toy last night |
| [18:45:14] | wagnerrp: | or rather decided to try out one i found a while back |
| [18:45:15] | iamlindoro: | Michael Ironside is the best part about V |
| [18:45:18] | wagnerrp: | xpra |
| [18:45:31] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: finally a screen for X? |
| [18:45:32] | wagnerrp: | basically a 'screen' for X |
| [18:45:34] | iamlindoro: | But it *was* a fairly gritty plot about 20 years early for gritty Sci Fi |
| [18:46:05] | AndyCap: | the sad thing with V is that the budget got slashed for the series, so it went downhill. a lot of FX is recognizable from the miniseries. |
| [18:46:25] | AndyCap: | and since it has a cliffhanger I'm afraid of watching it to the end. :p |
| [18:46:52] | iamlindoro: | "Morena Baccarin plays the enigmatic Anna, leader of the Visitors." |
| [18:46:53] | iamlindoro: | hahahaha |
| [18:47:03] | iamlindoro: | so Morena Baccarin *is* (Di)Anna |
| [18:47:26] | wagnerrp: | so... aliens that look like humans? |
| [18:47:39] | AndyCap: | wagnerrp: superficially. :P |
| [18:47:40] | kormoc: | you know |
| [18:47:40] | iamlindoro: | Yes, until you pull their flesh off |
| [18:48:01] | kormoc: | if the average human looks like Morena Baccarin, then I'm in the wrong area of the world |
| [18:48:21] | iamlindoro: | Come to California, if you don't look like that, we have our ways of fixing it :) |
| [18:48:35] | ** kormoc will be put in the slave pits for years... ** | |
| [18:48:54] | wagnerrp: | yeah... but your way of fixing it can turn you into burt reynolds |
| [18:48:55] | iamlindoro: | No, you'd just be junk food |
| [18:49:06] | iamlindoro: | remember, they don't want to be friends, they're here for *food* |
| [18:49:16] | iamlindoro: | (and water) |
| [18:49:47] | kormoc: | and walking meat and water bags fit both wants in one easy package! |
| [18:49:56] | iamlindoro: | Indeedly |
| [18:49:59] | Dibblah: | Grrr. |
| [18:50:00] | Dibblah: | http://hothardware.com/Articles/Zotac-NVIDIA- . . . oard/?page=9 |
| [18:50:32] | Dibblah: | ... Can someone give these people the hint that when testing low-power motherboards, sticking a Raptor in one actually does make a difference? |
| [18:51:19] | wagnerrp: | HAHAHA |
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| [18:51:33] | sphery: | iamlindoro: good |
| [18:51:39] | wagnerrp: | they pitted a raptor vs. 5400rpm laptop drives, and said it takes more power? |
| [18:51:49] | iamlindoro: | sphery, Yeah, the one and only non-obvious pickup that has made me happy this year |
| [18:51:50] | Dibblah: | Very, very funky looking motherboard, though. |
| [18:52:05] | kormoc: | it's only an extra 10 watts! |
| [18:52:05] | Dibblah: | Shame it's expensive. |
| [18:52:24] | Dibblah: | Indeed. |
| [18:52:37] | iamlindoro: | Wonder how it would far with a nice little WD Green |
| [18:52:39] | iamlindoro: | er fare |
| [18:52:43] | Dibblah: | Well, it's not that bad – It's like 6. |
| [18:52:46] | Dibblah: | But still. |
| [18:53:15] | Dibblah: | My frontends are all netboot – So the HD really doesn't apply. |
| [18:53:54] | iamlindoro: | I think it looks like a nice little board-- I generally enjoy building my own, but I think when it comes to ION the premade appliance is more appetizing to me |
| [18:54:06] | wagnerrp: | Dibblah: well if you trust anandtech more, their system did 14W less idle, 12W less under load, compared to the stock Atom |
| [18:54:25] | Dibblah: | You sure you're looking at like for like? |
| [18:54:31] | Dibblah: | There's two variants of the board. |
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| [18:54:43] | wagnerrp: | dual core version |
| [18:54:51] | wagnerrp: | A, not B, or C, or D |
| [18:55:04] | wagnerrp: | or, i guess B is the dual core version |
| [18:55:20] | kormoc: | all I really have to say bout ION is, get selling the darn things already! |
| [18:55:43] | Dibblah: | Very soon. It's on play.com already. |
| [18:55:56] | Dibblah: | (preorder) |
| [18:56:09] | wagnerrp: | id be happy with one the FF as the original ION demo box |
| [18:56:18] | iamlindoro: | Something Revo Like with a dual core might fit the bill for a kitchen box for me |
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| [18:56:56] | wagnerrp: | thats what i was thinking, stuff one behind a monitor, mount it under a cabinet with a fold up mount |
| [18:57:49] | iamlindoro: | I think I saw one that seems to be port for port the reference design at ionbased.com |
| [18:57:51] | Dibblah: | Heh. I need to look out a photo. |
| [18:58:38] | iamlindoro: | http://www.ionbased.com/2009/05/tons-of-new-i . . . ps-pictured/ |
| [18:58:39] | wagnerrp: | too bad touchscreen overlays are more expensive than the monitors themselves now |
| [18:58:47] | wagnerrp: | and built in touchscreens are even more expensive |
| [18:58:54] | iamlindoro: | The third overall system (pictures 8–10) seems to be about the ref board |
| [18:59:11] | iamlindoro: | But no branding of any kind, so your guess is as good as mine |
| [18:59:36] | iamlindoro: | All strange chines brands, though |
| [18:59:40] | iamlindoro: | chinese |
| [18:59:41] | wagnerrp: | the weird curved thing? |
| [18:59:43] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [19:01:40] | Dibblah: | Hrm. Turns out I don't actually have a photo of it. |
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| [19:02:10] | iamlindoro: | http://www.ionbased.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/001054795.jpg |
| [19:02:14] | iamlindoro: | "Quick your Life!" |
| [19:03:20] | wagnerrp: | well PD should show back up on our schedules tomorrow morning |
| [19:03:36] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: better than "Rock solid, heart-touching" |
| [19:03:39] | iamlindoro: | Should 2x11 was on June 6? |
| [19:03:57] | wagnerrp: | 2x12 is on the 6th |
| [19:04:00] | wagnerrp: | 11 is on the 30th |
| [19:04:09] | iamlindoro: | AndyCap, You know what else is heart touching? A stiletto |
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| [19:04:43] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, guess you're right |
| [19:04:44] | iamlindoro: | cool |
| [19:04:54] | AndyCap: | iamlindoro: life on the street still keeping you awake at night? |
| [19:05:16] | iamlindoro: | If only the voices would LET ME SLEEP |
| [19:06:38] | EvilBob: | AndyCap: I was able to get lirc working with out much trouble |
| [19:07:07] | EvilBob: | AndyCap: now I just have to find a useable lircrc |
| [19:08:20] | AndyCap: | EvilBob: hehe, easier said than done? |
| [19:09:18] | EvilBob: | AndyCap: I figure I will make my own once I find the keyboard map for mythfrontend |
| [19:10:17] | AndyCap: | EvilBob: iirc the keymap is viewable / editable in mythweb, but I'm shamefully out of date. :P |
| [19:11:29] | EvilBob: | AndyCap: I was hoping to find an xml file that I can print and edit to make it more user friendly perhaps |
| [19:11:37] | Dibblah: | My kitchen frontendish: http://pendor.org/shared/kitchen-touchscreen.jpg |
| [19:11:45] | AndyCap: | EvilBob: unless I'm mistaken it's in the db? |
| [19:11:55] | EvilBob: | AndyCap: looks that way |
| [19:11:58] | iamlindoro: | Dibblah, That's quite nie! |
| [19:12:00] | iamlindoro: | er nice |
| [19:12:10] | AndyCap: | http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Keybindings |
| [19:12:32] | iamlindoro: | The stainless mount is very nice for a kitchen |
| [19:12:47] | Dibblah: | ... It's amazing what you can do with a router, a sheet of aluminium, some welding and some time. |
| [19:13:20] | Dibblah: | (the ish is because it's not actually functional as a frontend yet :( |
| [19:14:04] | EvilBob: | AndyCap: Yeah I just printed the keys.txt |
| [19:14:22] | EvilBob: | AndyCap: I will edit the bindings from mythweb |
| [19:15:01] | Dibblah: | It's made much easier by the fact the touchscreen is SAW – Much easier to mount, etc. |
| [19:15:39] | AndyCap: | hmm, maybe this is my next frontend case: http://www.microplex.no/aspx/produkt/prdinfovnet.aspx?plid=53300 |
| [19:15:44] | wagnerrp: | SAW? |
| [19:15:53] | janneg: | Dibblah: nice and matching the micro wave |
| [19:16:09] | Dibblah: | Surface acoustic wave. |
| [19:16:24] | wagnerrp: | what are those weird spires out the top? |
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| [19:17:03] | iamlindoro: | drive slots |
| [19:17:18] | wagnerrp: | you just hang them there? |
| [19:17:21] | iamlindoro: | yep |
| [19:17:25] | Dibblah: | Ick. |
| [19:17:31] | wagnerrp: | funky |
| [19:18:27] | iamlindoro: | Personally I would prefer something less obviously a computer in my HTPCs |
| [19:19:14] | AndyCap: | if it looks totally horrible. I could always close off that shelf. |
| [19:21:02] | kormoc: | why put it in a case at all? |
| [19:22:09] | AndyCap: | need something to hold the psu, drive, dvd and motherboard in place. :P |
| [19:22:39] | kormoc: | screw them into the shelf itself |
| [19:23:18] | AndyCap: | Haha, that's not happening. :P |
| [19:23:40] | kormoc: | seems saner to myself then buying a clear case and then boarding up the shelf.... |
| [19:23:43] | AndyCap: | besides, where do you find woodscreew-motherboard standofs. :P |
| [19:23:58] | kormoc: | you don't need any, wood isn't conductive |
| [19:24:07] | AndyCap: | or should I just use pipe |
| [19:24:09] | kormoc: | it's actually been done a fair bit |
| [19:24:18] | AndyCap: | no, but the average motherboard is not flat. |
| [19:25:20] | kormoc: | so just tap some holes and use the normal standoffs |
| [19:25:32] | kormoc: | or just don't screw it down too tight |
| [19:25:34] | wagnerrp: | its not like you need to screw it tight to the shelf |
| [19:26:11] | AndyCap: | anyhow. I have a wooden box I can use for that |
| [19:26:22] | wagnerrp: | do touchscreens all have abysmal viewing angles? |
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| [19:35:04] | Dibblah: | wagnerrp: No. |
| [19:36:04] | Dibblah: | SAW is just a sheet of glass – so as far as I know, it's the one that interferes least with the image. |
| [19:36:27] | Dibblah: | Well, barring IR bars – But hardly anyone does those these days, due to the horrible resolution. |
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| [19:40:13] | gbee: | Dibblah: nice, I was going to do something very similar on the cheap with an old laptop, routed wooden frame though |
| [19:40:35] | gbee: | fell apart when I accidentally shorted and fried the board |
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| [19:41:00] | Dibblah: | This was a touchscreen LCD, I just made the wallmount (the Alu surround). |
| [19:41:16] | Dibblah: | ... Since wood TCT bits are the same as Alu TCT ;) |
| [19:41:35] | Dibblah: | Well, actually, the rake angle is slightly different. |
| [19:41:40] | Dibblah: | But they work well enough. |
| [19:42:01] | gbee: | at the time I figured wood was easier, don't have much/any metal working experience |
| [19:42:33] | Dibblah: | It is easier in some ways. |
| [19:42:59] | Dibblah: | Undoing a cutting mistake is easier in metal, though ;) |
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| [19:45:07] | gbee: | currently making some touchscreen friendly changes to the tv window, nothing too fancy, that will come once the OSD is ported to mythui, but a single click would pause/unpause, left/right gestures skip/ffw etc |
| [19:46:36] | Dibblah: | Nice :) |
| [19:47:05] | Dibblah: | I also wanted it for mythrecipe, or similar. But then I looked at the code and decided... Maybe not. |
| [19:47:11] | gbee: | when the OSD is migrated to mythui I'll create a full playback control OSD |
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| [20:11:54] | wagnerrp: | Dibblah: the SAW screens i was looking at on newegg were reporting angles of ~120deg |
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| [20:13:16] | wagnerrp: | the highest i saw anywhere was in line with low end TN panels |
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| [20:46:27] | iamlindoro: | Nothing decent to blow money on on Steam right now |
| [20:46:57] | kormoc: | new Wallace and Gromit game was recently released |
| [20:47:50] | iamlindoro: | I don't think it's my style, have never really liked those movies/shows/etc. |
| [20:48:16] | clever: | http://xkcd.com/583/ |
| [20:49:05] | wagnerrp: | did you get someone pregnant? |
| [20:49:20] | iamlindoro: | Many words in there you'll never need to worry about hearing, clever |
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| [20:49:27] | clever: | lol |
| [20:51:38] | wagnerrp: | 'Thi4f'... havent companies realized that putting random numbers in their titles is annoying |
| [20:52:02] | iamlindoro: | Oooh, I could go back and play the thief series |
| [20:52:25] | wagnerrp: | ive been playing through T3 upon insistence of a friend |
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| [20:55:01] | iamlindoro: | Selling MMORPG software through Steam seems silly |
| [20:55:05] | iamlindoro: | since you get nothing out of it |
| [20:55:15] | iamlindoro: | $10 to download the client, hooray |
| [20:55:51] | wagnerrp: | im baffled by the entire concept of selling MMOs |
| [20:56:19] | wagnerrp: | if you want to charge a subscription, the game should be free |
| [20:56:30] | stoth: | iamlindoro: is frontend considered rock solid and stable on 64bit? |
| [20:56:46] | stoth: | I'm seeing some app hangs (and segfaults in the frontend log). |
| [20:56:58] | wagnerrp: | stoth: ive been using a 64-bit frontend for a good 2 years now |
| [20:57:05] | iamlindoro: | stoth, Depends on which version of the frontend :) The release versions should be pretty solid, trunk frontend is hurting a bit right now |
| [20:57:23] | clever: | maybe i shouldnt finish that svn update |
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| [20:57:49] | stoth: | iamlindoro: well, I don't run 64bit on my production box this is just a test box, bit I'm seeing a hang that's not driver related. |
| [20:58:04] | iamlindoro: | stoth, on .21-fixes, or trunk? |
| [20:58:20] | iamlindoro: | and anything reproduceable? |
| [20:58:28] | stoth: | hmm, .21-fixes probably – whatever ships on intrepid |
| [20:58:41] | stoth: | assuming that ships -fixes. |
| [20:58:44] | iamlindoro: | yeah |
| [20:59:02] | gbee: | all the devs use 64bit environments and several of us have done so for what seems like forever – 64bit isn't considered to be any less stable than 32bit |
| [20:59:26] | gbee: | which is not to call mythbackend/mythfrontend rock stable either, but close to it |
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| [21:00:10] | iamlindoro: | Yeah, i've never had a myth issue that I could say was 64 bit related |
| [21:00:22] | stoth: | fair enough. |
| [21:00:23] | gbee: | we've certainly fixed 99% of _reported_ stability issues and will continue to do so |
| [21:01:12] | stoth: | At this stage I'm respnding to users who report occasional hangs. Theyy're claiming complete lock up. I'm not seeing complete system lockup but I have seen a couple of app hangs which I had to kill. |
| [21:01:41] | iamlindoro: | This is with the HVR-2250? |
| [21:01:49] | stoth: | So, I'm just drawing some basic lines in the sand and investigating. |
| [21:01:50] | stoth: | yeah |
| [21:01:53] | iamlindoro: | Guess you'll have to send me one then ;) |
| [21:01:59] | iamlindoro: | so I can, erm... test it |
| [21:02:06] | iamlindoro: | you know, for bugs and stuff |
| [21:02:22] | stoth: | lol |
| [21:02:45] | stoth: | that's a maybe. |
| [21:02:56] | iamlindoro: | Users tend to do retarded stuff when it comes to digital |
| [21:03:03] | wagnerrp: | so youre having stability issues with a brand new relatively untested drivers? |
| [21:03:05] | stoth: | yeah, I hear you. |
| [21:03:17] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, He's the author of said driver |
| [21:03:41] | wagnerrp: | oh.... well then... :P |
| [21:03:42] | iamlindoro: | The common myth ones are importing channels.conf in DVB land and manually editing DB tables in ATSC land |
| [21:03:57] | iamlindoro: | both of which end in FAIL |
| [21:04:00] | stoth: | The drivers actually been tested with the backend a lot, I mean a lot. |
| [21:04:21] | stoth: | I don't usually use livetv in myth at all, this is laregly my first experience on 64bit – so I'm asking the obvious questions etc. |
| [21:04:27] | iamlindoro: | Sure |
| [21:04:34] | stoth: | could be my box. |
| [21:04:47] | stoth: | wanna see the segault error? |
| [21:04:48] | iamlindoro: | could install the debug packages and get a backtrace |
| [21:05:07] | iamlindoro: | sure, but might not be helpful without debug symbols |
| [21:05:15] | iamlindoro: | is it reproduceable, or..? |
| [21:05:19] | iamlindoro: | jsut sorta random? |
| [21:05:33] | iamlindoro: | ie, fails only in live TV, backend crashes, etc? |
| [21:05:46] | gbee: | stoth: even the devs rarely use livetv and for that reason there are probably more bugs in that code path than any other, I don't think it's at all unlikely that something in there triggers a deadlock |
| [21:06:10] | stoth: | gbee: hmm, fair enough. It's a DVR for a reason, right :) |
| [21:06:26] | gbee: | it was recently suggested that LiveTV as a feature was dropped entirely ... |
| [21:06:43] | stoth: | seriously? |
| [21:06:44] | clever: | might make testing a pain |
| [21:07:03] | clever: | i say you just burry it in the config and lable it 'test tv' |
| [21:07:03] | wagnerrp: | is there really that much difference between livetv and recording? |
| [21:07:22] | clever: | wagnerrp: when you hit the end of a file in 'playback' it will stop, even if its in progress |
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| [21:07:33] | clever: | thats one of the few differences that i find anoying |
| [21:08:15] | stoth: | damn, wrong window. |
| [21:08:17] | stoth: | well, I'm not exactly pointing a stick at the frontend, probably my box or something. |
| [21:08:38] | clever: | livetv allmost never works for me |
| [21:09:01] | gbee: | wagnerrp: at the recording level, not much, but higher up there are enough differences, the livetv chain in particular seems to be the cause of problems with timing issues causing file transition failures |
| [21:09:02] | stoth: | what's youre frontend then? |
| [21:09:21] | wagnerrp: | stoth: dont listen to clever's bugs |
| [21:09:26] | iamlindoro: | stoth, Ignore him, his whole myth setup is like a birds nest |
| [21:09:27] | gbee: | clever: can't say I've ever seen that |
| [21:09:31] | iamlindoro: | made of spit and twigs |
| [21:09:42] | clever: | gbee: it gets timeouts on allmost every startup and channel change |
| [21:09:59] | iamlindoro: | We only let clever talk to people we don't like, for the amusement of misdirection |
| [21:10:02] | clever: | so it takes 5 trys to get it to even start, then it crashes when i change the channel and another 5 trys |
| [21:10:06] | stoth: | iamlindoro: I'm totally happy with myth, I've been using it for about a year full time, just not for live. |
| [21:10:10] | wagnerrp: | clever uncovers the bugs that any rational system would never encounter |
| [21:10:16] | stoth: | personally I have no issues normally. |
| [21:10:30] | clever: | wagnerrp: and i fix some of them |
| [21:10:47] | iamlindoro: | You create five bugs for everyone one you fix |
| [21:10:56] | iamlindoro: | er every one |
| [21:10:59] | wagnerrp: | im not saying you dont, just that you come up with the strangest of problems |
| [21:11:00] | clever: | proove it |
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| [21:11:29] | iamlindoro: | stoth, LiveTV is certainly the part of myth that is most prone to breakage, It's reasonable to expect that that might be broken before your drivers are |
| [21:11:58] | stoth: | iamlindoro: fair enough, thanks. |
| [21:12:10] | ** gnome42 is planning on commiting some livetv related fixes this week (trunk only) ** | |
| [21:12:15] | iamlindoro: | Guess you could just run mplayer on it overnight and see what happens |
| [21:12:31] | iamlindoro: | (and ask the same of people reporting live TV crashes) |
| [21:13:22] | stoth: | yup. |
| [21:14:09] | clever: | iamlindoro: when was the last time i made 5 bugs by fixing one? |
| [21:14:27] | iamlindoro: | One is unrelated to the next |
| [21:14:58] | iamlindoro: | For every one you fix, there are at least five (or more) retarded things that you do to your system and then paste the resulting error messages in here |
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| [21:15:18] | clever: | such as? :P |
| [21:15:25] | iamlindoro: | To which ~200 or so people around the globe go "Well, Clever's being a dumbass again" |
| [21:15:34] | stoth: | Unrelated question: Can I protect a videos folder using a pin? |
| [21:15:54] | iamlindoro: | stoth, Yes, the parental protection stuff in Mythvideo exists, less protection for recordings |
| [21:16:02] | stoth: | thx |
| [21:16:19] | iamlindoro: | And you can "tier" it across four levels |
| [21:16:19] | stoth: | the stuff I need to protect doesn't get air'd in the US ;) |
| [21:16:24] | iamlindoro: | heh |
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| [21:29:10] | wagnerrp: | i guess now with mythvideo getting streamed from the backend, those restrictions are more meaningful |
| [21:29:39] | wagnerrp: | but before, you could very just go onto the file system and access it |
| [21:30:35] | iamlindoro: | Hmm, I think I might be sold on KDE |
| [21:30:49] | wagnerrp: | liking 4.1? |
| [21:30:52] | iamlindoro: | 4.2 |
| [21:30:58] | wagnerrp: | ah, .2 now |
| [21:31:08] | iamlindoro: | but yeah, pretty decent, at least for casual desktop usage |
| [21:31:41] | iamlindoro: | needed a laptop for my GF to use when she's over and decided it might be a nice time to experiment with Mandriva a bit |
| [21:32:01] | iamlindoro: | after some customization, I think the plasmoids and setting up the common things she would use in her favorites ought to work nicel |
| [21:32:02] | iamlindoro: | y |
| [21:32:09] | wagnerrp: | is it really all that different from 3.x? |
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| [21:32:30] | iamlindoro: | I wouldn't be the authority on that, not having used it in ages, but it seems so, yes |
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| [21:33:17] | iamlindoro: | I'm thinking of seeing how to further simplify the launcher (I'm sure there must be some "dock" equivalent) at which point it ought to be perfect for her use |
| [21:33:58] | wagnerrp: | the systems at work all run 3.4/3.5, and while its usable, i just never really liked it |
| [21:34:27] | wagnerrp: | it seemed little more than an explorer clone |
| [21:34:51] | iamlindoro: | Seems closer to Aqua to me |
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| [21:35:55] | iamlindoro: | Ah, here we go, Kooldock |
| [21:36:53] | ** CoreDump is currently sold on compiz ** | |
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| [21:39:05] | bobbob1016: | I'm not sure if I'm allowed to ask for plugin help, but can anyone help me with mythvodka, or point me to an irc channel that can? |
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| [21:44:53] | iamlindoro: | It's not that it's forbidden, we just don't provide any support for third party plugins here, and that one is particularly hacked together (and most likely broken since the last round of Hulu updates) |
| [21:47:11] | bobbob1016: | iamlindoro: I actually don't need the hulu stuff, although it'd be cool, I'd want the usenet stuff, but since it can be controversial, I see how you might not be willing to help. |
| [21:47:38] | iamlindoro: | Yes, that would be off limits here, and there's nowhere on freenode where it would be acceptable |
| [21:48:20] | bobbob1016: | iamlindoro: Ok, just checking, thanks for letting me know nicely |
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| [21:48:45] | iamlindoro: | no problem |
| [21:49:37] | bobbob1016: | iamlindoro: Is the hulu one illegal or no? Since I don't know what the issue would be, so long as we keep the ads in |
| [21:49:59] | iamlindoro: | It's a violation of their terms of service, which is a no-no for this channel and Myth as a project in general |
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| [21:51:42] | bobbob1016: | iamlindoro: Ah, ok. I figured it was a tos issue not a "you can download loads of illegal stuff" thing, you know what I mean? |
| [21:52:07] | iamlindoro: | Hulu would be the former, Usenet would be the latter |
| [21:54:10] | bobbob1016: | Not sure why Hulu isn't willing to open up to something like that, so long as it is controlled to the point you can't save files, but that is off-topic. |
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| [21:56:40] | gbee: | boils down to the rights holders, production companies/tv & movie studios not wanting Hulu to be used on TVs |
| [21:56:54] | stoth: | not yet at aleast |
| [21:57:45] | gbee: | since they get paid a lot for the exclusive TV rights to material – if people start watching Hulu on a TV that undermines those deals |
| [21:58:04] | stoth: | inside the US that makes no sense. |
| [21:58:13] | gbee: | Hulu have only paid for the internet broadcast rights, in the rights holders eyes that means computers and mobile devices etc |
| [21:58:40] | iamlindoro: | Right, local affiliates are a huge source of income |
| [21:58:59] | iamlindoro: | If local affiliates all start dropping off the map because everyone is getting it online, then they stand to lose a fortune |
| [21:59:29] | gbee: | if it sounds silly, well it is a little, but they aren't about to do a wholesale reform and restructure of their licensing and income |
| [22:00:16] | gbee: | they'd sooner drop internet broadcast and Hulu than risk losing the larger source of income from traditional channels |
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| [22:21:58] | bobbob1016: | iamlindoro: Different question, I store media from different PC's and mount the drives on MythTV. Is it possible to have MythVideo check for new/updated files each time I start it, and auto-add them, without having to manually update the list? |
| [22:23:24] | wagnerrp: | you can set it in browse mode, in which case you see the directory as-is, of the time you went into mythvideo |
| [22:23:30] | wagnerrp: | but then you lose all metadata |
| [22:24:36] | wagnerrp: | aside from that, i believe there are 3rd party scanners you can use, but nothing official |
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| [22:53:44] | CShadowRun: | Hey, with reguards to DVB-S2 stuff, is DVB-S2 basically DVB-S but with support for HD channels? |
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| [22:54:54] | iamlindoro: | Not at all, DVB-S is perfectly capable of HD |
| [22:55:11] | CShadowRun: | oh |
| [22:55:19] | CShadowRun: | whats the benifit of DVB-S vs DVBS-2 then? |
| [22:55:38] | iamlindoro: | DVB-S2 adds new modulations to permit greater bandwidth |
| [22:55:41] | CShadowRun: | I've just built my first mythtv box and i'm unfamiliar with most of the satalite/tv stuff |
| [22:56:05] | CShadowRun: | someone here told me to wait until i could get a DVB-S2 card, but i'm a bit confused |
| [22:56:16] | iamlindoro: | Where in DVB-S you might put three or four HD channels on a mux, you can squeeze one or two more in on S2 |
| [22:56:27] | CShadowRun: | oh i see |
| [22:56:34] | iamlindoro: | DVB-S2 has little to no advantage for the user |
| [22:56:41] | iamlindoro: | it benefits the broadcaster |
| [22:56:47] | CShadowRun: | so it's kinda like the anologue > digital switch? they are gonna drop S and replace it with S2? |
| [22:57:31] | iamlindoro: | I don't see any parallels between the analog to digital switch, but at some murky date in the future most things will probably be S2, though that won't be any time soon |
| [22:57:48] | CShadowRun: | yea, so getting an S2 card is future-proof |
| [22:58:04] | CShadowRun: | i assume S cards can't handle S2 mux's |
| [22:58:09] | iamlindoro: | It's also present-proof since you can't use it in myth for now |
| [22:58:17] | CShadowRun: | haha yea, that's what i heard too |
| [22:58:34] | CShadowRun: | i was thinking, could i not just buy a card and not use the DVB-S2 features until it works in myth? |
| [22:58:50] | iamlindoro: | It's not just extra features |
| [22:59:09] | iamlindoro: | the cards capable of S2 functionality use the v4l S2API, and Myth has no support for it yet |
| [22:59:25] | CShadowRun: | oh i see |
| [22:59:33] | CShadowRun: | so theres no fallback on those cards for just using them as an S card? |
| [22:59:42] | iamlindoro: | Again, no |
| [22:59:50] | CShadowRun: | ah :( |
| [22:59:53] | iamlindoro: | They are capable of tuning DVB-S, but their drivers use S2API |
| [23:00:01] | CShadowRun: | i see, that makes sense |
| [23:00:03] | iamlindoro: | without support for the API, you cannot use them in myth |
| [23:00:22] | iamlindoro: | So if you want support today, you need a cheap DVB-S card |
| [23:00:33] | iamlindoro: | but if you can wait a couple months, then you will probably want an S2 card |
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| [23:00:44] | iamlindoro: | all of this assumes you are outside the US, where this discussion is moot |
| [23:00:54] | CShadowRun: | yea, i'm in UK |
| [23:01:25] | CShadowRun: | whats the best place to watch for when DVB-S2 arrives? |
| [23:01:31] | CShadowRun: | or any way of getting notified |
| [23:01:41] | iamlindoro: | No way of getting notified, you would need to watch the commit log |
| [23:02:00] | CShadowRun: | i see |
| [23:02:03] | iamlindoro: | and even then, that doesn't constitute a myth release, so the official support won't be out until myth has a new release |
| [23:02:35] | CShadowRun: | and the next mythtv release is due in a couple months, right? |
| [23:02:41] | iamlindoro: | there's no schedule for one |
| [23:02:52] | iamlindoro: | but sometime this summer, hopefully |
| [23:02:56] | CShadowRun: | yea there never is, but is that a reasonable ETA? :) |
| [23:02:58] | CShadowRun: | cool |
| [23:03:14] | CShadowRun: | best thing for me to do then is to wait for the next version and then check back, i guess |
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| [23:03:37] | iamlindoro: | yep, there will definitely-probably be support in the next release |
| [23:03:58] | CShadowRun: | hehe |
| [23:04:16] | CShadowRun: | thanks for clearing that up for me, it makes more sense now :) |
| [23:04:27] | iamlindoro: | np |
| [23:04:42] | wagnerrp: | well theres a partially functional branch on svn currently, isnt there? (not that im suggesting someone use it) |
| [23:04:55] | iamlindoro: | wagnerrp, nope |
| [23:05:03] | iamlindoro: | no S2 support in trunk at all |
| [23:05:11] | iamlindoro: | and even the trac patches don't apply any more |
| [23:05:17] | wagnerrp: | ah |
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| [23:08:47] | AndyCap: | so it probably won't be in the next release. :P |
| [23:09:06] | iamlindoro: | Not so |
| [23:09:36] | iamlindoro: | I'm not just making guesses here, the person responsible for the code has literally *said* it will be in the next release |
| [23:14:03] | CShadowRun: | What's the best USB DVB-S card to buy currently? |
| [23:14:46] | CShadowRun: | I could go with PCI-e but i figure with USB is more future-proof than PCI-e :P |
| [23:15:06] | iamlindoro: | If you're buying DVB-S, it really doesn't matter anyway |
| [23:15:09] | iamlindoro: | http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/DVB-S_USB_Devices |
| [23:15:41] | CShadowRun: | yea i'm just reading that, but the ones in the chart seem to be usb 1 only |
| [23:15:45] | CShadowRun: | don't i want a usb 2 one? |
| [23:16:14] | iamlindoro: | What gives you the impression they're USB 1? |
| [23:16:36] | CShadowRun: | because the individual wiki pages for them all say they are usb 1 :P |
| [23:16:42] | wagnerrp: | what gives you the impression PCI-e isnt futureproof |
| [23:17:00] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp because when i buy a new PC it may or may not have PCI-e sockets? |
| [23:17:09] | CShadowRun: | where as it's pretty much sure-fire gonna have USB |
| [23:17:31] | wagnerrp: | what would you buy other than a little embedded box with no pci-e slots? |
| [23:17:45] | CShadowRun: | wagnerrp yea, a little embedded box is an option when i get some money :P |
| [23:17:48] | CShadowRun: | saves on the power. |
| [23:17:54] | Dagmar: | If you're buying without knowing whether or not the motherboard doesn't have PCI-E slots, yu r doing it rong |
| [23:18:00] | CShadowRun: | i've always wanted a nice embedded box. |
| [23:18:32] | CShadowRun: | Dagmar i know my current PC that i'm using for mythtv has PCI-e but as wagnerrp suggested i may replace that pc with something embedded sometime in the future |
| [23:18:37] | Dagmar: | There is no guarantee that smaller == less power |
| [23:18:39] | CShadowRun: | so USB is better than PCI-e for me :P |
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| [23:18:58] | Dagmar: | ...and there's the matter that USB transfers are CPU-driven. |
| [23:19:18] | CShadowRun: | so what do you suggest? |
| [23:19:29] | wagnerrp: | you can get a core2 system running just fine for <50W |
| [23:19:32] | iamlindoro: | Anyway, my point was if you're buying DVB-S equipment, it's only as a stopgap until you buy DVB-S2 equipment, so future-proofedness shouldn't really matter to you |
| [23:19:49] | CShadowRun: | oh yea, iamlindoro has a point there :P |
| [23:20:03] | iamlindoro: | Anyhoo, the Technisat is USB2, AFAIK |
| [23:20:26] | wagnerrp: | i know the machines we just bought at work (3GHz C2Ds) idle around 55W (measured with a amp-meter |
| [23:20:51] | CShadowRun: | that's cool :) |
| [23:20:55] | wagnerrp: | and thats without any sort of power stepping |
| [23:21:24] | CShadowRun: | iamlindoro the technisat listed on the usb devices page says it's usb1.1 :P |
| [23:21:36] | clever: | wagnerrp: my core2duo laptop is at ~46 watts |
| [23:21:54] | clever: | and thats with 200% cpu usage at full freq |
| [23:22:17] | iamlindoro: | CShadowRun, http://www.technisat.com/index04e9.html?nav=P . . . ts,en,76-227 |
| [23:22:22] | wagnerrp: | so when you figure you might save an extra 20W with an embedded box, might save you ~$2/mo, and it comes with a LOT of headaches |
| [23:22:29] | iamlindoro: | Unknown whether the USB 2 iteration uses the same driver |
| [23:22:49] | clever: | wagnerrp: if i used the vga out and a big screen tv, i could get the power usage lower (internal lcd off) |
| [23:22:52] | iamlindoro: | but again, I'd just save yourself the headache, buy one of the many well supported PCI DVB-S cards for next to nothing, and sell it on ebay in three months |
| [23:23:11] | CShadowRun: | iamlindoro cool, and that works well with myth i assume :) |
| [23:23:20] | wagnerrp: | clever: nevermind that the tv itself will be using >200W |
| [23:23:29] | iamlindoro: | Any v4l-dvb supported DVB-S card ought to work fine with Myth |
| [23:23:45] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, but you would still be using the tv if you had a plain old desktop as the pc |
| [23:24:21] | CShadowRun: | ok thanks all for your help :) |
| [23:24:31] | clever: | let me see if i can lower the watt reading |
| [23:24:57] | wagnerrp: | its also probably 1.8GHz or so, and a far more expensive (laptop) CPU |
| [23:25:21] | clever: | yeah 1.8ghz, but ive just scalled it down to 800mhz to reduce the idle power |
| [23:25:43] | wagnerrp: | so when you figure the ~$450 cost of our boxes, and the ~$1500? cost of yours, how long will it take you to recover that in power consumption? |
| [23:25:50] | clever: | ahh:S |
| [23:26:00] | clever: | though technicaly, i got this one for free! |
| [23:26:09] | clever: | i just cant use it 24/7 for a couple more years |
| [23:26:10] | wagnerrp: | well technically, you dont own it either |
| [23:26:15] | clever: | in a few years i will |
| [23:26:20] | CShadowRun: | a nice embedded box now days only costs about $300 :) |
| [23:26:21] | clever: | when it gets replaced again |
| [23:26:34] | CShadowRun: | but yea, with the diffrence it's not worth having the performance reduction |
| [23:27:17] | clever: | wagnerrp: 18 watts when idle |
| [23:27:28] | clever: | massive diff compared to 200% load |
| [23:27:34] | wagnerrp: | ours use.... 0.5W idle |
| [23:27:39] | clever: | lol |
| [23:27:46] | clever: | ok, give me a little time |
| [23:27:51] | wagnerrp: | just enough to maintain the memory and network card |
| [23:28:05] | clever: | i still have firefox and a bunch of crap running |
| [23:28:56] | wagnerrp: | theres nothing you can say... its just not economical to have a laptop solely for mythtv |
| [23:29:08] | wagnerrp: | or really for anything but mobile use |
| [23:30:06] | clever: | ive done some tests before with putting my nfsroot'd laptop into standby |
| [23:30:22] | clever: | then i might be able to beat your 0.5w idle |
| [23:30:37] | wagnerrp: | why would nfs-root matter? hopefully your hard drives arent spinning at that point |
| [23:30:45] | clever: | right now, the nvidia driver is sucking most of the cpu |
| [23:31:14] | clever: | the nfs server may forget about me and close the tcp channels |
| [23:31:17] | clever: | and screw things up:P |
| [23:31:26] | wagnerrp: | not using udp? |
| [23:31:33] | clever: | dont beleive so |
| [23:31:49] | clever: | tcp 0 0 10.0.0.16:882 10.0.0.60:2049 ESTABLISHED - |
| [23:32:00] | clever: | nope, tcp |
| [23:32:04] | Dagmar: | wagnerrp: You're asking this of clever, aren't you... |
| [23:32:18] | clever: | and doesnt udp have more problems? |
| [23:32:44] | wagnerrp: | AFAIK, UDP is default |
| [23:33:16] | ** waxhead_ is thinking about a lightweight myth front end setup ** | |
| [23:33:27] | clever: | brb |
| [23:33:29] | CShadowRun: | oh, do those USB devices have card slots for the premium channels? |
| [23:33:34] | waxhead_: | I have a laptop iwith a dead lcd screen... |
| [23:33:37] | Dagmar: | Nope |
| [23:33:44] | CShadowRun: | oh |
| [23:33:55] | wagnerrp: | they are typically just a little stick |
| [23:34:07] | wagnerrp: | usb on one end, coax on the other |
| [23:34:21] | CShadowRun: | the thing i'm looking at is a box |
| [23:34:50] | clever: | back |
| [23:35:00] | clever: | shuting down Xorg saves alot of cpu cycles |
| [23:35:35] | iamlindoro: | Is clever trying to prove his POS can be as good as a grownup's computer? |
| [23:35:45] | Dagmar: | iamlindoro: Something like that |
| [23:35:50] | CShadowRun: | are there any of the DVB devices that have card slots? |
| [23:35:50] | wagnerrp: | clever: like all of a couple million of 'em |
| [23:36:09] | wagnerrp: | when your computer has billions to spare, its pretty inconsequential |
| [23:36:14] | iamlindoro: | CShadowRun, There are plenty, but only certain CIs and card types are supported in linux |
| [23:36:16] | clever: | iamlindoro: this is a core2duo 1.8ghz laptop, is that realy a POS? |
| [23:36:21] | Dagmar: | Leaving Xorg idle when you're not using it saves more |
| [23:36:24] | iamlindoro: | clever, yes? |
| [23:36:28] | CShadowRun: | iamlindoro ah |
| [23:36:49] | wagnerrp: | clever: how big and what resolution? |
| [23:36:53] | clever: | wagnerrp: i'm using powertop right now, and the idea behind this is waking the cpu from idle state costs alot of power |
| [23:38:07] | clever: | wagnerrp: 1440x900 |
| [23:38:13] | clever: | dell d630 |
| [23:38:27] | wagnerrp: | dont need the brand or model, what size |
| [23:38:56] | Dagmar: | "smaller than a breadbox" |
| [23:38:58] | wagnerrp: | hopefully no larger than 14.1" |
| [23:39:05] | clever: | 14" display |
| [23:39:59] | clever: | ~6:9 |
| [23:40:17] | wagnerrp: | thats not so bad |
| [23:40:39] | wagnerrp: | i just cant stand these laptops with 15" and 17" XGA screens |
| [23:40:57] | clever: | this is the biggest and fastest laptop in the house |
| [23:41:14] | iamlindoro: | shock |
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| [23:42:39] | clever: | still nowhere near 0.5W |
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| [23:45:25] | waxhead_: | can I run a backend with mixed makes of tuner cards? |
| [23:45:27] | clever: | wagnerrp: ok, you win |
| [23:45:33] | clever: | 1 watt with the laptop fully shutdown |
| [23:45:41] | clever: | no way i can get it any lower:P |
| [23:45:42] | waxhead_: | if so, do I have to have each card do it's own scan for channels? |
| [23:46:10] | waxhead_: | I have 2 haupagge 150's and a fusion vision card... |
| [23:46:11] | wagnerrp: | i dont know if its actually 0.5w, the meter was bouncing between 0.00 and 0.01A |
| [23:46:26] | wagnerrp: | probably well below its range of accuracy |
| [23:46:36] | clever: | wagnerrp: my meter cant show <1 watt |
| [23:46:46] | waxhead_: | mind you, the fusion card is only recently supported... it seems to be a bit of a problem though.... |
| [23:46:54] | waxhead_: | might have to find another box to test it with... |
| [23:46:56] | clever: | 0.03 amps |
| [23:47:08] | clever: | wagnerrp: yeah, you win! |
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| [23:48:31] | clever: | next step, run the laptop directly off a solar panel, dc->dc! |
| [23:48:49] | clever: | thats about the only way im going to save power, and cheapen it |
| [23:49:10] | waxhead_: | clever: what's the specs of the laptop? |
| [23:49:39] | clever: | the whole thing or the psu? |
| [23:49:50] | waxhead_: | vid card, cpu... |
| [23:49:57] | waxhead_: | is it a front end only? |
| [23:50:11] | clever: | 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 135M (rev a1) |
| [23:50:16] | clever: | core2duo 1.8ghz |
| [23:50:25] | waxhead_: | newer one then... |
| [23:50:28] | clever: | i mainly use it as a frontend, firefox, irc |
| [23:50:35] | waxhead_: | I have a p4 I'm looking ot rope in as a frontend.. |
| [23:50:54] | waxhead_: | might turn out to be too noisy though... |
| [23:51:11] | clever: | my P4 is real loud, slow, and everybody says the cpu is a power hog |
| [23:51:18] | clever: | model name : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1500MHz |
| [23:51:52] | waxhead_: | ahh... |
| [23:52:10] | clever: | whatever you do, dont get that one:P |
| [23:52:25] | waxhead_: | the screen is dead now... need to find it and see what it has inside... |
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