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ksool:

My frontend recently stopped playing prerecorded video. I can browse the library and see preview but when I try to view in full, it goes to a black screen and cuts back after a few seconds. Log shows "buffer underruns." See http://pastebin.ca/1423290

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iamlindoro:

For Lost fans: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sobek

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iamlindoro:

"He was also shown with an ankh, representing his ability to undo evil and so cure ills." and "Sobek's ambiguous nature led some Egyptians to believe that he was a repairer of evil that had been done, rather than a force for good in itself, for example, going to Duat to restore damage done to the dead as a result of their form of death. He was also said to call on suitable gods and goddesses required for protecting people in situatio

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iamlindoro:

n, effectively having a more distant role, nudging things along, rather than taking an active part."

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iamlindoro:

compare with http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Four-toed_statue and Jacob

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Zman1:

Anyone around to answer a question?

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iamlindoro:

You'll never find out unless you ask it, nobody's going to volunteer for the mystery question

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iamlindoro:

But in answer to the question, when a man and a woman love each other very much...

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Zman1:

I can not figure out why my new myth backend video has jitter// I have the Hauppuage 350

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Zman1:

jitter is there even with cat /dev/video1 > test.mpg

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Zman1:

box is fast enough 3ghz 8 gig ram

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wagnerrp:

3GHz what?

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Zman1:

athalon

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wagnerrp:

theres a big difference between a 3GHz P4, a 3GHz Athlon, and a 3Ghz C2D

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iamlindoro:

It's bad enough when people pronounce it that way, let alone spell it that way

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Zman1:

well sorry

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Zman1:

its late and I have been reading a lot and can not find what i need to do fix the jitter

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iamlindoro:

not to mention you'll need to define what you mean by "jitter"

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wagnerrp:

anyway, anything maybe 600MHz celeron or better should be able to manage anything the 350 puts out

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wagnerrp:

how are you playing it?

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wagnerrp:

through the 350? through an AMD/ATI video card? through VDPAU? do you have the proprietary drivers for your card installed? is Xv working? is opengl?

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Zman1:

the box right now is only setup for Backend.. i do not have the frontends done yet.. playing the video with Mythtv player, and also Windows Media player same results ..

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wagnerrp:

so youre complaining about 3rd party windows software?

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Zman1:

i can put a sample up if someone wants to see it

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Zman1:

No not complaining about that. at all

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Zman1:

i have done this in the past with myth and never a single problem..

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wagnerrp:

what im saying is... is it possible the videos are fine, and its a playback problem on your windows box?

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wagnerrp:

because if catting the dev node produced 'jittery' video, either your playback is borked, or the tuner is going bad

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wagnerrp:

which considering the age of a 350, is very possible

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Zman1:

couls be but other things play perfectly fine in terms of video playback. the machine i am playing them back on is a quadcore Intel 2.5 ghz 4 gig ram

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wagnerrp:

you just said 3GHz Athlon with 8GB

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wagnerrp:

or is that the backend?

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Zman1:

ya thats the backend machine

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wagnerrp:

if thats the backend, machine speed is largely irrelevant, so long as it can handle ~6mbps from PCI bus to disk

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Zman1:

ya i think that should be fine..

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clever:

wagnerrp: the master backend still needs cpu power for other stuff

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clever:

rescheduling on a 400mhz P2 takes 30–60 seconds

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wagnerrp:

clever: hes having 'jittery' playback, whatever that means

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clever:

which is painfull sometimes

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wagnerrp:

and rescheduling DOES NOT take 30–60 seconds

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clever:

2009-05–15 00:03:29.551 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 837 items in 86.3 = 0.01 match + 86.30 place

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Zman1:

wanna see a test file wagnerrp?

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wagnerrp:

YOUR rescheduling takes that long because you have several hundred recordings, and some thousand schedules, or something ridiculous like that

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clever:

wagnerrp: uhhhh, 86 seconds...

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wagnerrp:

Zman1: ill take a look if you want

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Zman1:

one sec

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clever:

187 recording rules, 1600 recordings

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clever:

wagnerrp: you got it backwards:P

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wagnerrp:

how many channels?

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clever:

220, split over 2 cards

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Zman1:

sent you a private chat wagnerrp

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clever:

the sound drivers for the bttv box are dead, i should just remove it from mythtv

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wagnerrp:

well i still consider that a bit of an outlier

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clever:

i'll remove the bttv card and channel listing and see

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wagnerrp:

i doubt most people have more than 50 recording rules

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wagnerrp:

Zman1: yeah... im going to say your card is going bad

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Supaplex:

bad card. no biscuit for you!

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Zman1:

shitty...

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wagnerrp:

id stick it in another machine to make sure

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Zman1:

i used to have a FE/BE before i moved.. havent used this in 7 months

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Zman1:

if it works in another machine (ie windows) then what?

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wagnerrp:

maybe you have borked drivers or firmware

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clever:

wagnerrp: there, card removes, input source removed, master reset, cleaning out all program data for that card

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Zman1:

could be the firmware..

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wagnerrp:

i doubt its going to make much difference, because the 186 rules are still there

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wagnerrp:

187

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clever:

but the program table will be a great deal smaller

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clever:

which is where i think alot of the load is

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Zman1:

also not sure if it matters but my linux box is 64 bit CentOS

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wagnerrp:

do you have multiple rules for each show? or a bunch of overrides? or do you just watch that much different crap?

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wagnerrp:

i think ive got ~35 rules

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clever:

wagnerrp: some of the rules dont match anything in the program table, theres a chunk of overrides to fix conflicts, and some are channel based rules for the same show on 4 channels

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wagnerrp:

why not make them 'any channel' and prioritize the channels themselves?

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clever:

because i have 180 rules to edit:P

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clever:

mysql> alter table program order by starttime;

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clever:

Query OK, 78877 rows affected (49.79 sec)

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clever:

(defragged and cleaned up the holes from deleting the other cards data)

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clever:

2009-05–15 01:19:59.504 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 831 items in 26.7 = 0.18 match + 26.54 place

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clever:

avg :(

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clever:

55 of the rules in record dont match any title in program

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wagnerrp:

i guess that time makes sense...

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wagnerrp:

mine usually takes 1–1.5s, with a ~6x faster chip, 40% the channels, and 20% the rules

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wagnerrp:

i just think you could stand to gain considerably by cleaning up your rules

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clever:

i'm doing that right now

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clever:

so far, its slowed down by 0.1 seconds:P

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clever:

29 seconds, even slower:P

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clever:

lets try optimize_mythdb

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clever:

2009-05–15 01:36:55.916 scheduler: Scheduled items: Scheduled 829 items in 37.4 = 0.27 match + 37.13 place

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clever:

ok, that was useless!

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Supaplex:

mmm chicken and gouda on honey wheat. nom.

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eross:

now that i'm compiling the whole thing, if i only need mythtvfrontend, do i still need the entire package?

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wagnerrp:

theres no such thing as 'mythtvfrontend'

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eross:

i thought you could watch tv on one computer to a networked backend

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wagnerrp:

and theres no way to compile only mythfrontend without going in and hacking up the makefile

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wagnerrp:

everything gets compiled into a bunch of shared libraries

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eross:

ok cool

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wagnerrp:

so not compiling the backend means you save a couple MB of space

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wagnerrp:

so while you used to be able to set a configure flag and make them separately, that was removed sometime around 0.20

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eross:

ok i just dont need a backend running on my remote computer

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eross:

since it will be running on my server

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wagnerrp:

correct

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eross:

thanks

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wagnerrp:

but you may want to run mythjobqueue, to give you another jobqueue to do things like transcoding or commflagging

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wagnerrp:

depending on your frontend's processor capacity, and whether you intend to leave it on

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wagnerrp:

yeah... a quick check shows the frontend and backend are linked to all the same libraries

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wagnerrp:

so not building the backend executable would save you about a minute of compile time, and about 1.5MB of space

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wagnerrp:

not worth the effory

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wagnerrp:

and thats a 64-bit executable

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wagnerrp:

on an older 32-bit system, you might be down ~1.2MB

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eross:

omg.. this rocks hard.. set up and watching mythtv frontend, on slackware, with ubuntu and backend mythtv.

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eross:

i tried running mythtv --geometry 1024x768 but it looks a little squashed horizontally, plus the channel number is cut off in the blue theme when i'm changing the channel

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eross:

is there a 4:3 option?

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wagnerrp:

themes can be 16:9 or 4:3

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wagnerrp:

and you can zoom the video to 16:9, 14:9, or 4:3

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eross:

ack.. still looks squashed windowed

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eross:

at 1024x768

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wagnerrp:

what does, the UI or the video?

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eross:

video, when i change channel using arrow keys, I see the first number but second is covered up by blue graphic

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eross:

i meant cut off.. UNKNOWN – 3/

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wagnerrp:

monitor or TV?

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eross:

this is a widescreen lcd

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wagnerrp:

so youre using a widescreen monitor, running at 1024x768, and wondering why its squished?

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eross:

windowed

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eross:

running frontend in a window at 1024x768, full screen at 1680x1050

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wagnerrp:

try changing to the opengl OSD painter

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wagnerrp:

the qt one draws on the video prior to scaling, while the opengl one draws to screen directly

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eross:

opengl is nicer, still horizontally squashed

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wagnerrp:

i love finding random DC adapters on my desk, with no clue as to what they go to

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stuarta:

ahh, it's friday at last

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laga:

stuarta: finally

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stuarta:

yes it's been one of those weeks

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laga:

it always is

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stuarta:

gbee: just found a comical comment about MS "...the company has generally managed to exorcise its programs of dangerous vulnerabilities before they can be exploited by attackers."

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** stuarta calls BULLSHIT on that one **

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stuarta:

it's from -> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/03/20/microsoft_crash_tool/

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frogonwheels:

stuarta: hmm. yes. or a loose grasp on the term 'generally'

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gbee:

heh

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bsusa:

hello all

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bsusa:

could someone please assist me

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bsusa:

m having a big issue with my mythbuntu setup. I cannot run MythFrontend app anymore. When i click on it manually it doesnt even run. Nothing responds.

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stuarta:

have you upgraded it lately or anything like that?

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bsusa:

what happend was i installed a new ati hd 2600xt video card

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bsusa:

then

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bsusa:

i rebooted it was in safe graphics mode

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bsusa:

Mythfrontend still came up then

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stuarta:

sounding like you need to sort you X configuration

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Dibblah:

run mythfrontend.real from the command line and check what it says.

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Dibblah:

(As the user that the system runs Myth as)

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bsusa:

so i then tryed installing the ati driver, and after i reeboted the screen was all fuzzy

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bsusa:

then i reconfigured x and it seemed to fix the screen fine. And looks like the reso was ok to

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bsusa:

i noticed then Mythfrontend did not open automatically anymore. I tried running it manually though the icon and terminal mythtv, nothing happens

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Dibblah:

Through a terminal, do what I said above.

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bsusa:

http://pastebin.com/m116b41fd

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bsusa:

thats the output

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Dibblah:

X is busted. ;)

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gbee:

ouch

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Dibblah:

Can you run glxgears?

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Dibblah:

The lesson to be learned here is not to install anything outside package management.

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pat___:

has anybody set up a tunerless backend for the sole purpose of transcoding? If so, does it need the files mapped and a storage group assigned, or does it connect via the myth protocol?

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bsusa:

its asking me install mesa-utils

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bsusa:

how can i rebuild X?

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stuarta:

shouldn't need to

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stuarta:

that's what packages are for

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bsusa:

what do you reccommend i do?

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bsusa:

sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg

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bsusa:

will this work

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bsusa:

i run this one before to get everything viewable again

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bsusa:

or this one: sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg

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stuarta:

did you install any drivers for the new video card?

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bsusa:

ati-driver-installer-9-4-x86.x86_64.run

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bsusa:

that one

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bsusa:

its a ATI HD 2600XT 512

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bsusa:

i dont know if it likes it though

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stuarta:

pastebin /var/log/Xorg.log

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bsusa:

what u think i sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg it?

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bsusa:

ok

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Dibblah:

I would suggest a reinstall. It'll be less painful in the end. Backup your database and recordings first.

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Dibblah:

And... Don't fiddle with things when they're working ;) ;)

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bsusa:

well at the moment its a vegtable anyways

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stuarta:

it should be fixable, but fixing X is non trivial

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bsusa:

could this command fix it sudo apt-get install --reinstall xserver-xorg

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bsusa:

?

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stuarta:

worth a try

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bsusa:

k ill cross my fingers brb

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stuarta:

but also look in /var/log/Xorg.log for anything obvious

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bsusa:

k

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stuarta:

that'll be his xserver shutting down :-p

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Dibblah:

I would bet that it won't.

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stuarta:

i does look royally screwed

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** stuarta tosses a coin between afternoon snooze and playing with openvz **

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Dibblah:

Meh. KVM is nicer :)

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Dibblah:

On not ancient hardware, of course.

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stuarta:

already running vmware server

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stuarta:

bit too heavy tho

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Dibblah:

If your harware does HVM / the intel one, then just do KVM / libvirt / ...

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stuarta:

my hardware is in germany :-p

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stuarta:

i'm sticking with stuff that i can generally do without a console

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stuarta:

as getting a console is a pita

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stuarta:

plus i'm already running the openvz kernel

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bsusa:

i tried it and still MythFrontend is not running

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bsusa:

nvm im just gona reinstall

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bsusa:

thanks

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Dibblah:

... ISP award of the month goes to... http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Connect-Betterer.aspx

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Dibblah:

If they would run a line to my house, I'd *so* switch to them in a heartbeat.

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stuarta:

where did i put my cluebat....

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Dibblah:

You read the postscript, right?

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stuarta:

aye

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rooaus:

Blame the big T(el$stra), or should that be the big C. I think it is actually a disconnect/reconnect when name change is done. And they wonder why most of us hate the incumbent!

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Dibblah:

I don't hate them at all.

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stuarta:

same goes for Sky over here.

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rooaus:

us == aussies

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Dibblah:

BT is a more apt comparison.

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stuarta:

mate of mine had sky in his flat, that was in the name of a housemate who had left 3yrs before

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Dibblah:

Their backbone carrier network is atrocious for anyone else to use.

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stuarta:

Dibblah: hopefully 21CN will help things somewhat

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** Dibblah wishes you well in your new role as country optimist. **

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stuarta:

well up your way, you'll be lucky to get wet string for a network

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Dibblah:

Major towns and cities actually have dialup, these days, up here :)

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jduggan:

wheres up here?

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heavysidecar:

^

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stuarta:

that's network analysis 101

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Dibblah:

Well, if he's down there...

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Dibblah:

And I'm up here...

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stuarta:

then it's clearly not the bit in the middle

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EvilBob:

Should mythtv-setup be run as a user or as root? As a user I am getting errors trying to setup my tuners. Under probed info it says "Unable to open".

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Dibblah:

User.

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Dibblah:

You need to give permission to the user, though, for the devices.

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stuarta:

"Unable to open" = user needs to be put in the group that has access to the devices

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stuarta:

normally video

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EvilBob:

Dibblah: OK I will go look for that info, I am following http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Installing_MythTV_on_Fedora_7, it does not mention changing the permissions.

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EvilBob:

so is a simple "chmod 666 /dev/video*" enough? I will have to sort out what is needed to have this persistent after a reboot.

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Dibblah:

No.

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Dibblah:

Note, I didn't say change permissions.

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Dibblah:

Read what stuarta said.

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EvilBob:

Dibblah: right, I did note that after the fact, I will not be adding users to root's group and I don't really feel like hacking udev rules today.

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stuarta:

neither are required

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EvilBob:

root:root owns the /dev/video* devices

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** stuarta chants fedora is crap **

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EvilBob:

yeah blah blah blah, use distroX

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stuarta:

nah, use whatever you want

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stuarta:

i'm not distro prejudiced

[14:19:20]

EvilBob:

at least mythtv is easier to deal with now than it was a year ago when you had to use the atRPMs package repo

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stuarta:

although i'm not a fan of gentoo, i gave up compiling my own crap 10 years ago

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EvilBob:

I have been away from running myth for about 4 years.

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stuarta:

except for things like mythtv

[14:20:38]

EvilBob:

did not have cable at my old place and reception on the antenna was bad enough it did not make sense.

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EvilBob:

stuarta: I will hack the udev rules to "fix this" and try to get a patch pushed up to the Fedora Packager. 666 is working for now, I have a 4 year old boy that is pissed, not as bad as a wife that is pissed, but that's OK we moved out.

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stuarta:

oh the joy of hacking udev rules

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stuarta:

i did that to get udev to assign an ipv6 address to the vmware network adapter

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sphery:

I think a better way of looking at distros is, "If you want to use Fedora, use MythDora. If you want to use Ubuntu, use MythBuntu," etc.

[14:27:24]

sphery:

(or, "if you want to use ... and don't want to hack its configuration ...")

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EvilBob:

sphery: issue is that MythDora is falling behind, no updates security or otherwise very soon.

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** sphery wonders if gbee's [20567] has noticeable memory savings (or if the replaced images were too small to notice) **

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sphery:

EvilBob: oh... haven't kept up that much (then again, my Myth boxes are way behind on that type of thing--the whole, "if it's not broke..." thing)

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EvilBob:

sphery: sure.

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sphery:

though I will admit that I'm currently working on a major update for them

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EvilBob:

sphery: I don't mind the bleeding edge, I would not be doing this now if I had not had a HDD failure this week.

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EvilBob:

Think I might write up a "current" Fedora howto after this is over.

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EvilBob:

The distro changes so much that it is hard to follow an old howto for many users.

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gbee:

sphery: unlikely, shape still involves the creation of images only difference is that they are created dynamically

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gbee:

plus they really would be too small for any noticable difference

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J-e-f-f-A:

fc

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J-e-f-f-A:

oops wrong window! ;-)

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gbee:

if the gl painter wasn't so lousy at rounded corners then yes, it might have shifted the burden to the video memory, but as it stands right now both painters render the images first

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sphery:

Ah, interesting.

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stuarta:

gbee: is that why it's a bit slow??

[14:41:31]

sphery:

You've made some suprising advancements in memory-friendliness, before, so I was just curious.

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gbee:

stuarta: fast enough here, but depending on how it's implemented (I've not looked) it could be re-generating the images each time they are drawn which would be slow on some machines

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gbee:

that would be easy to fix

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stuarta:

it's the fade time on the guide grid which is most horrible

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stuarta:

what's different about the fade in

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gbee:

one difference is that on the fade out we only change the alpha of the outgoing screen, fade in we cross fade

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gbee:

I'll suggest to Paul that caching might be worth thinking about

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stuarta:

be even better if i sat down and profiled it :-p

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johnf:

anyone managed to solve the problem of getting mplayer to display on the screen you want when using xrandr?

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johnf:

or instead defining where mythtv starts up?

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|chiz|:

how far in the furture should mythtv know about the listings using schedules direct?

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iamlindoro:

14 days, assuming you're a paid member

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gbee:

johnf: could ask in #mplayer about the mplayer issue

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|chiz|:

is there is a way that i can tell if myth is updating the listings?

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gbee:

you can tell mythtv which screen to use in the settings

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iamlindoro:

There's a frontend option (off by default) called "Allow backend to run mythfilldatabase"

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iamlindoro:

if that's not ticked, myth won't automatically update them

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|chiz|:

ok cool I'll check that out

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|chiz|:

thanks

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iamlindoro:

At work so can't check, but should be in Utilities/Setup->Setup->General or Utilities/Setup->Setup->TV Settings->General

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iamlindoro:

Believe it's the former

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iamlindoro:

and about 6–7 pages in

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|chiz|:

if I want to fill it manually I can just run fythfilldatabase in a terminal right?

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iamlindoro:

yes (although it's nicer to let myth do it for you)

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J-e-f-f-A:

|chiz|: To check if the listings are updated, there are a couple of ways – perhaps one of the easiest is to point a browser to http://localhost:6544 (or your IP if you prefer) and look at the bottom – "There's guide data until..."

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|chiz|:

iamlindoro: I'm just waiting for something at work and was going to browse around to see if there was anything worth recording

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iamlindoro:

yeah, this one time you can do it manually, but for a variety of reasons, both convenience and because it's nicer for the listings source, you'll want to tick that box eventually

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|chiz|:

for sure, I'll look for it sometime this weekend

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|chiz|:

I don't need root perms to run this do i?

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iamlindoro:

nope

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iamlindoro:

just be a user that is capable of running myth and you should be fine

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|chiz|:

awesome

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J-e-f-f-A:

hey iamlindoro .. ;-) I got one of those Sky+ monster remotes with a qwerty keyboard inside -pretty neat, and works well, although I had to re-learn my MCE remote as the Sky+ put my MCE USB receiver in a different mode somehow...

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iamlindoro:

J-e-f-f-A: Yeah, had "overheard" all that when you've mentioned it in channel lately

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: How's your theme coming along?

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iamlindoro:

Haven't worked on it in a while, just haven't been in the mood-- It's certainly usable on an everyday basis, at least for the screens I use, which is probably why I haven't made any progress lately

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: That's cool. I haven't been able to do much myself for various reasons.. Hopefully I'll be able to get back on the horse in a week or so.

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|chiz|:

I asked this here before but didn't really get an answer, If I leave my mythbox on all night on livetv its not the happiest camper in the morning. Is there somethings I can change or check to make it not get all choked up from being left on too long?

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J-e-f-f-A:

|chiz|: What do you mean "it's not the happiest camper' ?

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|chiz|:

ah, oops, the video/audio is super choppy

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iamlindoro:

Well, that *shouldn't* happen, but you shouldn't just leave myth on live TV, either, myth really isn't meant for live TV

[15:48:26]

iamlindoro:

I'd guess you're filling the disk and myth is expiring the old stuff while recording the new and you're running into I/O issues

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iamlindoro:

So, faster/more disks, better file systems, and don't use Live TV, and if you do, don't leave it on

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|chiz|:

yeah that is what i figured, the fs could definitely use an improvement

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J-e-f-f-A:

|chiz|: There's also an undocumented LiveTV time out you can set by altering/adding a value to the database.

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J-e-f-f-A:

|chiz|: Are your recordings on your 'system' disk? Sounds like they are.

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|chiz|:

J-e-f-f-A: yeah on the system disk but not on the partition

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|chiz|:

They're on a separate partition

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J-e-f-f-A:

|chiz|: Best to have them on a completely separate disk. You've got contention for the disk access when it's all on one disk.

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|chiz|:

yeah, I can really only add a usb disk though

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wagnerrp:

it shouldnt really matter

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|chiz|:

ok

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|chiz|:

is xfs a good choice for fs?

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wagnerrp:

mysql writes are going to be buffered through the memory, reads and all OS tasks should be completely from memory

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J-e-f-f-A:

|chiz|: I'm currently using xfs on my 6 video disks. I've also used jfs in the past. Both handle large file deletes quite well, and perform well IMHO.

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wagnerrp:

theres no real good choice, so much as ext2/3 is bad choice

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FR^2:

J-e-f-f-A: The only thing I am suffering with xfs right now is the deletion of "large" directory trees ;)

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J-e-f-f-A:

FR^2: Humm... I only use my disks for Myth recordings, so I can't say that I've seen the same issue... But 6GB file deletes are pretty quick... (a typical 1-hour HD show)

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FR^2:

I assume with myth and video files, xfs is a very good choice.

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J-e-f-f-A:

FR^2: seems to be. It's good with large files and deleting them, which is 99% of what my myth recordings volumes consist of. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

the only problem is that it doesnt handle crashes or power losses well

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wagnerrp:

in flight data will be lost

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wagnerrp:

however, in such a case, youre going to delete the fragment of recording anyway

[16:02:40]

wagnerrp:

the only real risk will be to the database, which can always be recovered from a backup

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wagnerrp:

you are doing that regularly right...? :P

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^ I haven't noticed/seen any major issues... I had more issues when running a software raid5 with jfs...

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: My DB is on an ext3 raid1 – and I do back it up daily (now!) ;-)

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sid3windr:

backing it up to your second server of course? :> (ala avsim)

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wagnerrp:

basically, the only problem with XFS is that syncs to disk are not high priority

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wagnerrp:

new reads get scheduled first as long as there is abundant free memory

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wagnerrp:

but based off mythtv's disk access patterns, this isnt going to cause problems

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J-e-f-f-A:

sid3windr: ATM just to a directory on the OS disk and mirrored to a couple of the video storage disks. ;-) I really should setup my NAS again and have it backup to there though... ;-)

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wagnerrp:

i got burned a while back with an irrecoverable LVM span with XFS, but that really had nothing to do with XFS

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wagnerrp:

the database really isnt even *that* important

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wagnerrp:

you can always rebuild mythvideo, and reinsert old recordings if it comes to that

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wagnerrp:

the only real thing to lose would be your previous recordings list, and if your rules are set up to filter for new episodes only, even that isnt a big issue

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, I once had my OS disk crash hard and was able to recover all my recordings by converting them to videos, it was just a pain going through them and renaming them. ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

^^ exactly

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wagnerrp:

sid3windr: that was just irresponsible on their part if they thought that was any sort of backup

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wagnerrp:

that wasnt a backup, that was just standard practice when youre doing load balancing between two servers

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wagnerrp:

and since theyre going to have identical setups, if you crack one, you can easily crack the other

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sid3windr:

:)

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wagnerrp:

if you have critical data (like all of your data), you never never NEVER leave your only copies on frontline servers

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wagnerrp:

i mean thats day one of system administration

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gumpert345:

hi, I have been running mythtv trunk for some time now, (ubuntu + trunk repository) will I be able to switch from trunk to stable, when 0.22 is out?

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wagnerrp:

at some point prior, trunk will be branched into a 0.22 fork

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wagnerrp:

any version of trunk checked out before that point will be able to be upgraded to the 0.22 release version

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wagnerrp:

wait until later, and you run the risk of getting caught on the other side of a schema update, which can only be rolled back manually

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gumpert345:

what is a schema update?

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wagnerrp:

the database schema

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wagnerrp:

its the current layout of the database

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wagnerrp:

and really, the only thing that prevents you from reverting to an older version of mythtv

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wagnerrp:

mythtv applications are designed to automatically update to new versions, but not downgrade to older ones

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gumpert345:

so the best thing would be to keep on using trunk until 0.22 is out and then change to a stable repo, right?

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wagnerrp:

if you want to go back to using a 'stable' version, yes

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wagnerrp:

of course its a bit more complicated than that

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wagnerrp:

the devs wont just decide one day that 0.22 is ready, branch, and release it

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wagnerrp:

they will decide to put a feature freeze on 0.22, and branch it for a couple weeks of testing and debugging before release

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gumpert345:

I have a dvb-s2 card in a server and would like to use it with this patch http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/5882#comment:57 and trunk until there is a stable 0.22, as there is no more money for a dvb-s1 card I think that would be the best way, or am I wrong?

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wagnerrp:

theres no guarantee any patch in trac will even make it into mythtv, much less in time for 0.22

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gumpert345:

mhm

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gumpert345:

but applying the patch wont hinder further updates, will it?

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wagnerrp:

now if a patch works with trunk right now, it should continue to work with 0.22 in the future

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wagnerrp:

with patches, youre on your own as far as updates

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wagnerrp:

but assuming it doesnt make changes to the database, updates should be trivial

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|Torg|:

if you patch trunk you are changing the code which you compile. It is all beta code anyway. You run the risk of that patch being overwritten in the future or causing problems with future compiles. If you can not read the patch, understand what it does, and even patch it by hand if it the patch fails, do not use it

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gumpert345:

|Torg| Thanks for warning me, wagnerrp thanks for the help

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wagnerrp:

well that should be the warning for using trunk in general, to be honest

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iamlindoro:

Not to mention that patch doesn't even apply to trunk any more

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iamlindoro:

So S2 users will have to wait for it to be implemented properly

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pheld:

gumpert345: the s2api-patch won't work with trunk (0.22) due to conflicts with all the channel-scanning changes in the last weeks

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pheld:

I've got it working, but just beacuse I had done the scanning previously. Now it only works for tuning

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gumpert345:

that doesnt sound good, and I think there is no use in asking, when this may be implemented, right?

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pheld:

Had to break the scanner to get it to compile, but that's just me being too lazy (or not having the time) to implement s2 scan properly.

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wagnerrp:

you have to ask the maintainer of the patch

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gumpert345:

janneg will you please put s2api support into trunk?

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[Peter]:

In the ticket it says it should be done in a few days.... that was 3 months ago

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iamlindoro:

Actually, it says in the next days

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iamlindoro:

which is between then and universal heat death

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wagnerrp:

if you believe in that sort of thing

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gumpert345:

the problem is maintaining it, when it is in trunk, right?

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iamlindoro:

I don't understand what you mean

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iamlindoro:

The reason it's not in trunk is because the patch doesn't meet the quality and coding standards of the person responsible for that bit-- so until that person has time and energy to make it so, it remains in trac

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gumpert345:

I mean when you add some code to trunk you will have to look at it from time to time to see, if it makes problem with other code

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gumpert345:

I see

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pak0:

hi all people, good afternoon

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pak0:

i`m looking for spanish imdb but w/o lucky, only one found on google and dont work fine

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pak0:

anyone know a good imbd for spanish people?

[16:53:27]

pak0:

or how can i modify the original imdb.pl for look info on spanish?

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wagnerrp:

you dont... imdb is defunct

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pak0:

filmaffinity ? alpacine?

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pak0:

another one?

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wagnerrp:

imdb has made it known they dont want scrapers being run on their site

[16:54:34]

wagnerrp:

its being replaced by themoviedb.org

[16:54:34]

pak0:

arg

[16:54:51]

sphery:

pak0: themoviedb.org supports multiple localized pages per movie

[16:54:54]

wagnerrp:

there is a howto on the wiki for replacing the imdb scraper with the tmdb one

[16:54:59]

sphery:

so start adding to tmdb

[16:55:06]

pak0:

i only see the imdb at wikii

[16:55:08]

sphery:

http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Tmdb.pl

[16:55:31]

sphery:

feel free to update the imdb pages on the wiki to refer to the tmdb page

[16:56:07]

gbee:

huh, Quest has been aborted the day after it was supposed to launch

[16:56:17]

califdreas:

isn't tmdb multilingual?

[16:56:33]

pak0:

hey! very thanks i go to try now!

[16:56:51]

sphery:

califdreas: don't think it speaks any languages, but it allows you to put in localized information about movies :)

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gbee:

some of the localisation stuff is broken, Travis wanted to concentrate on getting it working with one language before re-enabling the rest

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califdreas:

sphery: i know that depending on the browser i use, I sometimes get the movie pages (and the content) in german, sometimes in english

[16:58:38]

sphery:

pak0: if you use tmdb.pl, you probably want to apply some patches--most importantly meshe's patch at http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6421 (v4), but if you have a bad network/your own name server, also http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6428

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pak0:

very thanks sphery

[16:59:09]

gbee:

califdreas: depends on your browser sending the correct locale information

[16:59:11]

sphery:

califdreas: yeah, it allows adding different info depending on locale

[16:59:29]

pak0:

i`m looking too for a plugin for series similar on mediaportal, we have anyting?

[17:00:15]

sphery:

pak0: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6242

[17:00:24]

sphery:

pak0: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6440

[17:01:35]

califdreas:

sphery, gbee: it would be cool if that was part of the api as well. I'd love to get the movie info in two languages and just switch between them.

[17:01:54]

sphery:

califdreas: patches for that would be /very/ much appreciated

[17:02:42]

|Torg|:

pak0 do you mean make mythfrontend look like mediaportal???

[17:02:43]

califdreas:

sphery: i'll get to it once i learn how to write code :)

[17:02:53]

sphery:

I think the tmdb api allows it... You probably just need to fix tmdb.pl to support specifying a language, then modify mythvideo's DB schema/data access to support it. Everything except the MV mods would be easy (even for a non-coder)

[17:03:05]

sphery:

(though easy does not imply quick :)

[17:03:07]

pak0:

hmmm

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pak0:

why |Torg| ?

[17:04:04]

** sphery wonders why he's getting an empty response from http://api.themoviedb.org/2.0/docs/ **

[17:04:07]

|Torg|:

you asked for a plugin (I think you meant skin) to make it " series similar on mediaportal"

[17:04:27]

pak0:

i`m looking that sphery, and its possible to use now with the new MythuI?

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pak0:

MythUI its functional?

[17:04:43]

sphery:

califdreas: anyway, if you're interested in updating tmdb.pl, the tmdb API is (supposed to be) at http://api.themoviedb.org/2.0/docs/

[17:04:59]

sphery:

pak0: not sure what you mean

[17:05:07]

califdreas:

just from the sounds of it, I guess I should look at the perl part. but coding in anything c'ish is out of my league.

[17:05:45]

pak0:

my english sux, apologize

[17:06:07]

califdreas:

sphery: I bookmarked the page. doesn't seem to be online for now, though.

[17:06:37]

|Torg|:

pak0 if you simply want it to look similar to media center, look up a theme called MythCenter

[17:06:47]

sphery:

if you get the perl stuff done, it will encourage users around the world to start using themoviedb and stop using the "We steal your data" IMDb site. That will make tmdb a better site, so more people will use it, then more people would be interested in things like the "store multiple localized versions of metadata about recordings" idea, so other people are more likely to write that patch for MythVideo :)

[17:06:53]

sphery:

and a butterfly flaps its wings...

[17:07:18]

sphery:

califdreas: yeah, I'm getting an empty response (not even an HTTP error)

[17:08:57]

pak0:

no, i dont like the look of mediaportal

[17:08:57]

sphery:

pak0: basically, tmdb and thetvdb are only usable in MythVideo... There are patches that help integrate the metadata better into the MythVideo experience and ideas being thrown around about integrating it into the MythTV/Watch Recordings area.

[17:09:04]

califdreas:

hm. far reaching implications. maybe I should start with chaos theory, then perl?

[17:09:11]

sphery:

califdreas: heh

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pak0:

thank you s`hery

[17:09:19]

pak0:

sphery

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sphery:

pak0: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6346 , http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6457 and possibly a few other of iamlindoro's patches add more metadata functionality to MV

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mersault:

Anyone here tried an ATI Mobility Radeon HD 3450 and had success playing back HD content? The new eee box just came out has one, and might be a good choice for a frontend...

[17:11:31]

** sphery hates web sites that don't check password for special characters they don't know how to use **

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pak0:

thanks sphery

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pak0:

a lot of info to read now

[17:11:43]

sphery:

time to change my themoviedb.org password

[17:12:14]

sphery:

ah... they deleted my account...

[17:12:19]

sphery:

that's why my password doesn't work

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iamlindoro:

mersault: An Atom processor with ATI will be next to useless for HD in linux

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iamlindoro:

s/next to//

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wagnerrp:

it should be able to manage low bitrate, multisliced h.264, and probably divx/xvid

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wagnerrp:

certainly no recorded HD though

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mersault:

phoooey. I wonder why Asus would go with ATI when nVidia is so much better supported in linux...

[17:14:39]

pak0:

its required to have an account at themoviedb?

[17:14:45]

wagnerrp:

why would asus care about a very small market share?

[17:14:54]

wagnerrp:

pak0: to update the site, yes.... to use the API, no

[17:15:07]

iamlindoro:

unfortunately, you can update the site without an account too

[17:15:15]

iamlindoro:

A source of some irritation for me

[17:15:16]

sphery:

someone in here was saying they got an atom playing 720p via Xv

[17:15:25]

sphery:

MPEG-2, that is

[17:15:40]

wagnerrp:

there have been reports of the linux versions of the eeepc and others being returned en masse

[17:16:04]

wagnerrp:

sphery: broadcast ~13mbps 720p mpeg2

[17:16:06]

wagnerrp:

?

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sphery:

he wasn't specific

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mersault:

I think broadcast HD is about 19.3mpbs, unless I'm reading the stats outta my HDHR wrong...

[17:17:59]

wagnerrp:

thats the channel bitrate

[17:18:16]

wagnerrp:

digital broadcasts have multiple streams within the channel

[17:18:25]

sphery:

oh, wait... it was an eeepc 900, so it was a celery

[17:18:32]

wagnerrp:

most of my 720p recordings average ~13mbps

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|Torg|:

VIDEO: MPEG2 1280x720 (aspect 3) 59.940 fps 19000.0 kbps (2375.0 kbyte/s)

[17:18:41]

|Torg|:

that is the PID for video

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wagnerrp:

some kind of sporting event?

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|Torg|:

normal ATSC bordcasts

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|Torg|:

specifcailly its KERA, my local PBS stations brodcast of Nova

[17:19:50]

wagnerrp:

im especially surprised by PBS

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wagnerrp:

my two local stations have 4–5 subchannels each

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|Torg|:

one of mine has 3, one has 2 and quote a few only have one

[17:20:56]

|Torg|:

or more prcisly the ones that have "one station" have actualyy muitple streams, only one video and one audio that is usefull

[17:21:09]

sphery:

mine has several, but shuts off the streams for a couple subchannels during "primetime" to increase bandwidth for the main channel's HDTV

[17:21:33]

|Torg|:

ive never watched the weather radar to see :)

[17:22:10]

sphery:

(technically, they send a /very/ low-bandwidth stream that just has a terribly blocky/pixelated message saying the channel is offline)

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pak0:

i just uninstalled xbmc, and break half system, i dont have autologin ni startx lol

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pak0:

bastards

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|Torg|:

sorry that wasnt Nova, they bcast in 1080I. The other one I posted was for my Fox station

[17:26:24]

wagnerrp:

maybe my cableco recompresses

[17:26:31]

wagnerrp:

i dont know what my fox actually broadcasts

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|Torg|:

cable companies often do, and break dvb standards, etc

[17:26:57]

wagnerrp:

although 13mbps is probably about right, since they have THIS-TV on their subchannel

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|Torg|:

VIDEO: MPEG2 1920x1080 (aspect 3) 29.970 fps 12000.0 kbps (1500.0 kbyte/s)

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|Torg|:

thats a PBS 1080I bcast

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|Torg|:

it can go as high as 65mbps tho

[17:33:27]

wagnerrp:

what can?

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|Torg|:

atsc bordcasts

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wagnerrp:

since when?

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|Torg|:

unless mpeg is lying to me as the file size is as well

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|Torg|:

-rw-r--r-- 1 mythtv mythtv 12145704468 2009-05–13 21:45 1081_20090513200000.mpg

[17:34:31]

|Torg|:

VIDEO: MPEG2 1920x1080 (aspect 3) 29.970 fps 65000.0 kbps (8125.0 kbyte/s)

[17:34:44]

wagnerrp:

ATSC maxes out at ~19mbps

[17:34:58]

iamlindoro:

Indeed, you *cannot* do 65 Mbit on ATSC

[17:35:06]

|Torg|:

thats what I thoght but that isnt want my box tells me

[17:35:07]

wagnerrp:

thats not to say they arent broadcasting a malformed stream

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iamlindoro:

give the full ffmpeg -i output on that file

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iamlindoro:

I'm pretty sure I've had this conversation with you before

[17:36:18]

AndyCap:

hm, 65000 was a nice and round number. :P

[17:36:19]

|Torg|:

yes but didnt we track it to mpleyr problems?

[17:36:39]

sphery:

I've wondered if--since the video and audio tend to be variable bitrate--even though the signal bandwidth is about 19.3Mbps, if the video and/or audio can ever (for short periods) go over 19.3Mbps

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iamlindoro:

No, You were looking at the wrong info then, as I suspect you are now

[17:37:01]

iamlindoro:

ffmpeg -i filename

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wagnerrp:

the signal is a constant bitrate, period

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iamlindoro:

Heh

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sphery:

right, but the video stream bitrate isn't constant

[17:37:40]

iamlindoro:

I had a rather spirited conversation with him about a year ago

[17:37:42]

AndyCap:

Hmm http://mymythtv.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_archive.html

[17:37:53]

wagnerrp:

right, so the data must remain below the signal, or you drop data

[17:37:54]

iamlindoro:

when he claimed his PBS affiliate was broadcasting 78 Mbit video

[17:37:56]

sphery:

so, is video constrained to signal bitrate or can it go higher--provided there's sufficient signal bitrate over time

[17:38:05]

AndyCap:

so that blog suggests using -b 65000 for ffmpeg

[17:38:25]

AndyCap:

I smell a rat

[17:38:33]

iamlindoro:

And then I got him to show me the ffmpeg output and he was looking at the containers listed bitrate, instead of the stream's

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iamlindoro:

and now, poof, he quits

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mdm:

http://pastebin.com/m76cf50e2

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|Torg|:

note stream 0.0

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iamlindoro:

Again, you're looking at the wrong info

[17:42:27]

iamlindoro:

"Duration: 01:45:27.9, start: 34476.826133, bitrate: 15354 kb/s"

[17:42:40]

iamlindoro:

*That* is the average bitrate of your recording

[17:43:34]

iamlindoro:

Everything else is just an arbitrary label on the stream, and not an indication of the actual bitrate

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|Torg|:

then somethign in the mpeg they broadcast is wrong

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iamlindoro:

They can label it whatever they want, it doesn't hurt anything. It's *still* not 65 Mbit

[17:44:36]

iamlindoro:

File size in Kilobit / time in seconds = Bitrate

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iamlindoro:

Just as the audio bitrate is going to seldom if ever be 448 Kbps on that recording

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wagnerrp:

oh? i thought AC3 actually was CBR

[17:46:16]

RyeBrye:

Whatever, d00d. my pBS station totally broadcasts 100Gbit imuges!

[17:46:16]

|Torg|:

I just remoted what mpayer and ffmpeg told me it was

[17:46:48]

RyeBrye:

They are so big that my antenna starts to turn red hot because of all the bits flwoing through ti!

[17:47:25]

iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: Well, It's *technically* possible to have VBR AC-3, but almost nobody does it

[17:47:57]

iamlindoro:

|Torg|: It was what? Your file isn't a 65 Mbit file, you just read the wrong information (again)

[17:48:26]

|Torg|:

but why does mplayer and ffmpeg report that as a rate then?

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iamlindoro:

*it DOESN'T*

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iamlindoro:

You are reading the wrong information, the information you are misinterpreting is a label on the stream, *not* a calculation of bitrate

[17:49:01]

|Torg|:

I dint make up the data, I simply copied what it said

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iamlindoro:

You copied/misinterpreted data to mean something it didn't

[17:49:28]

EvilBob:

tuners 4–7 are available on my masterbackend, tuners 8–10, each on different slavebackends are "unavailable", How do I troubleshoot this?

[17:49:39]

|Torg|:

Stream #0.0[0x31]: Video: mpeg2video, yuv420p, 1920x1080, 65000 kb/s, 29.97 fps(r)

[17:49:54]

|Torg|:

thats is what ffmpeg tells me

[17:50:04]

sphery:

EvilBob: are your remote backends connected to the master backend?

[17:50:10]

sphery:

have you tried rebooting the remotes?

[17:50:38]

EvilBob:

sphery: I have tried rebooting, networking is fine, I can telnet to the mysqld port

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sphery:

EvilBob: and can you do (from the remote backends): wget http://masterbackendhostname:6544/

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iamlindoro:

|Torg|: Why do you persist in quoting the wrong line?

[17:52:25]

iamlindoro:

That line is *not* information about the bitrate of your recording

[17:52:46]

sphery:

|Torg|: if you have a 10-gallon rubbermaid tub half-full of marbles, do you have 10-gallons of marbles?

[17:52:49]

|Torg|:

if its wrong its wrong, I simply asked you WHY it says that. You insist i am misquoting it. I am copying it exactly as it is displayed.

[17:52:55]

EvilBob:

sphery: connection failed

[17:53:05]

sphery:

EvilBob: sounds like firewalling...

[17:53:22]

EvilBob:

sphery: actually I forgot I had stopped the master

[17:53:39]

sphery:

yeah, wouldn't get a connection, then :)

[17:53:40]

iamlindoro:

|Torg|: You are quoting information not about bitrate and asking me why the bitrate is wrong

[17:53:43]

EvilBob:

index.html was pulled in

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro: then why doe it state 65000/kbps?

[17:54:14]

sphery:

EvilBob: and try restarting the remote backends, now

[17:55:00]

iamlindoro:

|Torg|: As I continue to explain, that is a label, and nothing more

[17:55:12]

iamlindoro:

it is *not* information about the data rate of your recording

[17:55:46]

iamlindoro:

The line I quoted you above is the correct piece of information to look at for bitrate

[17:56:20]

iamlindoro:

I never said you misquoted, I told you you insist on quoting the *wrong* piece of information

[17:56:21]

|Torg|:

so then, why is the label wrong?

[17:56:35]

iamlindoro:

Because it doesn't *mean* anything

[17:56:39]

wagnerrp:

because it doesnt matter if its right

[17:57:09]

wagnerrp:

the decoders in cable boxes and tvs dont care, and the general users never see it

[17:57:20]

iamlindoro:

One is metadata, one is a calculation of the stream's average bitrate

[17:57:29]

wagnerrp:

so why make the minimal effort to do things properly

[17:57:30]

|Torg|:

still that is not justification for mislabeling

[17:57:38]

sphery:

EvilBob: make sure, also, you have ports 6543, 6544, 6545, 6546 (and, possibly 6948) unblocked

[17:58:03]

iamlindoro:

It's *NOT MISLABELING*, you can set it to any arbitrarily high number you like

[17:58:22]

iamlindoro:

Presumably to be > the mux rate of any source it might be distributed on

[17:58:45]

iamlindoro:

But you're changing the focus of the argument because you're frustrated about being wrong

[17:59:07]

|Torg|:

I never claimed to be right, I simply copied the lines from mplayer

[17:59:29]

iamlindoro:

You claimed ATSC was capable of 65 Mbit, then when told that was incorrect, you fought tooth and nail about it

[17:59:41]

iamlindoro:

By quoting information you didn't and possibly still don't understand

[18:00:05]

iamlindoro:

You copied lines that mean "B" in an argument about "A"

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|Torg|:

I said I had SEEN it not that atsc was capable of it, In fact I told you I didnt think it was capable of it yet I had a recording that told me otherwise

[18:00:56]

iamlindoro:

"|Torg|: it can go as high as 65mbps tho"

[18:01:15]

|Torg|:

yes i was referring to my recording

[18:01:19]

iamlindoro:

"wagnerrp: what can?

[18:01:19]

iamlindoro:

[10:33am] |Torg|: atsc bordcasts"

[18:01:35]

iamlindoro:

Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining

[18:02:10]

iamlindoro:

Jesus christ, just stick your fingers in your ears and scream "I'M NOT WRONG!" until the voices stop or something

[18:02:14]

califdreas:

i usually take my recording, lokk at the length and size, and do a rough calc. of the bitrate.

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iamlindoro:

califdreas: Rightly so :)

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|Torg|:

iamlindoro: this isnt about being right or wrong Its simply about what the recordings display as rate

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laga:

for fucks sake

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iamlindoro:

|Torg|: It's about *you* not knowing where to look for that information

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EvilBob:

sphery: I did not vanish, just bringing up each system one at a time and double checking everything as each comes up.

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RyeBrye:

http://tinyurl.com/really-technical-atsc-book

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RyeBrye:

According to the wikipedia: The ATSC A/53 standard, used in the United States, uses MPEG-2 video at the Main Profile @ High Level, with additional restrictions: The maximum bitrate of the MPEG-2 video stream is exactly 19.4 Mbit/s for broadcast television, and exactly 38.8 Mbit/s for the "high-data-rate" mode (e.g., cable television)

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EvilBob:

sphery: following a systematic set of reboots for all the systems results are the same

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EvilBob:

sphery: where is the database set up on slaves?

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wagnerrp:

~/.mythtv/config.xml

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sphery:

meaning that the slave should be hitting the same DB server the master is hitting--if it's hitting its own local one, that would cause the problems you're seeing

[18:18:35]

EvilBob:

sphery: from reading the slave logs I see that it is trying "localhost"

[18:20:07]

EvilBob:

sphery: "Database host name: [localhost] "

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meshe:

i'm going to be adding all of my dvds to "My Movies" in tmdb and updating/creating movies as needed

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iamlindoro:

cool, the more people who do that, the better TMDB will become

[18:26:26]

meshe:

it was a feature of imdb i used to use, but tmdb is better as you don't need to be logged in to view the list

[18:26:38]

meshe:

http://www.themoviedb.org/user/meshe/movies

[18:27:36]

RyeBrye:

you only own 3 movies? and one of them is originally a made-for-tv holiday special?

[18:27:59]

meshe:

once you get over a couple hundred movies it's pretty hard to remember if you own x movie when you're at the store and see something you like (at least for me it is)

[18:28:14]

meshe:

RyeBrye: 14:24 < meshe> i'm going to be adding all of my dvds to "My Movies" in tmdb

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RyeBrye:

ok :)

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meshe:

that was a test run with what I had in front of me

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RyeBrye:

Do they have some kind of bulk load where you can submit UPC numbers? you could rig up a bar code scanner and chirp away

[18:29:01]

meshe:

no, but that would be a great addition

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RyeBrye:

It would certainly make that process much less painful – even using a webcam for scanning barcodes these days works ok (even if it is still a bit slower than a normal barcode scanner)

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wagnerrp:

go ahead and suggest it

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meshe:

but, this way, i can verify that the movie information is full and correct and update it if i need to

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RyeBrye:

You could rig up a flash app that would use the users webcam and allow them to hold the video in front of their camera, snap the image, decode the barcode, and then submit that to their server and show the movie on their server

[18:31:40]

meshe:

i was pondering doing that with the iphone...

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EvilBob:

does not make sense that the slaves it would appear anyhow are not trying to contact the master backend

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RyeBrye:

The iPhone camera lacks autofocus so it's not that great at scanning barcodes

[18:32:36]

RyeBrye:

the camears in the android G1 phones are great for barcodes because they will focus in quickly and get a crisp shot

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wagnerrp:

they really need to edit the search, so common words are not used

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meshe:

i'd even pick up a cheap barcode scanner to do it, preferably one that had a driver that emulated the keyboard

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wagnerrp:

every time i do a movie with 'the', its the matrix, the dark knight, and the LOTR series

[18:35:41]

wagnerrp:

meanwhile, the movie i want is some 25 items down

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EvilBob:

mythtv-setup connects to the db server just fine, the mythbackend does not

[18:36:19]

wagnerrp:

are you running mythtv-setup and mythbackend as the same user?

[18:36:32]

wagnerrp:

remember kids... '~' is different for different users

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wagnerrp:

and why does 'the dark knight' show up in a search for 'die hard'.... that makes no sense

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tank-man:

probably has to do with kevin bacon :)

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: thank you, mythbackend is running as root, the /etc/mythtv/config.xml is ignored

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meshe:

mmmm bacon

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: ran setup as root, all is golden

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wagnerrp:

maybe /etc/mythtv/.mythtv/config.xml?

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: looks like another patch

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wagnerrp:

masters of the universe returns.... matrix, batman, underworld, pirates, LOTR....

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: the installed packages create a mythtv user, why the hell the backend does not run as that user is beyond me

[18:41:15]

wagnerrp:

are you running mythdora?

[18:41:23]

wagnerrp:

AFAIK, everything else runs the backend as mythtv

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: no, Fedora10

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: using packages from the RPM Fusion repository

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wagnerrp:

huh... i dont remember buying buckaroo banzai

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: I looked at the wrong terminal, it was not working after running setup as root, the solution was in the end to edit /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt

[18:50:19]

wagnerrp:

mysql.txt is the old format

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wagnerrp:

mythtv will read it, and convert it to config.xml

[18:50:38]

wagnerrp:

but as of 0.21, it uses the config.xml

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wagnerrp:

the mysql.txt is only kept around for legacy sake with old scripts

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EvilBob:

wagnerrp: interesting, thank you for your time and input again

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wagnerrp:

i need to get a new copy of xmen... i accidentally bought the full screen version

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meshe:

i hate it when that happens, we were buying only widescreen even when we only had a 4:3 tv

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J-e-f-f-A:

hey meshe – hope you didn't mind the pm's — thanks for the suggestion of Joomla — it works quite well... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Jeepers, I didn't realize they were still manufacturing/selling "Full Screen" dvds -- ;-)

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meshe:

no worries J-e-f-f-A, sometimes i see them, sometimes i don't. glad its working out for you

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wagnerrp:

im sure they are, but this was probably bought 5 years ago

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J-e-f-f-A:

meshe: Ah, my client pops up a separate window for pm's... ;-) So I always see 'em. ;-)

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wagnerrp:

seems woot is broken

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wagnerrp:

im stuck on some outdated caching proxy

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BLuEGoD:

I have upgraded mythbuntu and after running mythtv frontend it hangs with a red box :S I don't know what happened..

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wagnerrp:

try in #ubuntu-mythtv

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sphery:

BLuEGoD: mythtv is not the application name... you probably want to run mythfrontend

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sphery:

mythtv is just a test program

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Humm... seems to come up for me – Transcend 1GB USB Flash Drive for $0.01 ... Says "USB 2.0 compatible"... bet it's 1.1...

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BLuEGoD:

I know, I mean mythfrontend because mythbuntu executes mythfrontend at startup, that's what hangs with a red box :S

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wagnerrp:

except... its a camera

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BLuEGoD:

(not the desktop, just the mythfrontend program)

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: So – the link you go to is a camera? I get right to the flash drive... ;-)

[19:30:55]

wagnerrp:

no, im saying the flash drive is the previous sold out item

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wagnerrp:

there is a camera up now

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Ok, yeah, I just clicked on 'today's woot', and it does show a camera. ;-) my bad... ;-) So their toolbar app isn't updating.... ;-)

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J-e-f-f-A:

10MP for $70.. jeeze... I remember paying $240 for my 4MP camera a few years back...

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wagnerrp:

neither is their site

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wagnerrp:

J-e-f-f-A: and sadly, it probably wont give you significantly better quality pictures than your 4MP one

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wagnerrp:

lens and ccd size/quality is considerably more important than MP

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: Yeah, especially since min is the Kodak with the huge lense and 10x zoom. Incredible pics with that for 4MP.

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** sid3windr recently upgraded from a Nikon Coolpix 4300 to a D60 .. yum =) **

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** J-e-f-f-A has the Kodac DX6490 – pretty decent camera. ;-) **

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wagnerrp:

can newer PAS camers still only do jpeg?

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J-e-f-f-A:

I dunno... haven't shopped around lately – been very satisfied with this one. My wife has the 5MP model. Mine can take low-res Quicktime movies at 30fps with ghood audio though — just video is low resolution.

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J-e-f-f-A:

'good' even... doh!

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wagnerrp:

my old roommate had a sony that took mpegs

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wagnerrp:

but i mean, do they still force lossy images?

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wagnerrp:

or do they support png or lossless tiff now?

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wagnerrp:

just wondering because ive seen the difference between raw and 'high quality' jpegs coming out of SLRs, and its very noticeable

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sid3windr:

size diff between hq jpeg and png will also be considerable

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J-e-f-f-A:

wagnerrp: I'd imagine the 'high end' cameras support much less 'lossy' formats – I'll have to ask a couple of my friends that have 'real' SLR digital cameras.

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wagnerrp:

but who cares, 4GB SD cards are dirt cheap these days

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iamlindoro:

wagnerrp: A fair number of mid range PAS cameras do RAW

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sid3windr:

4GB :/

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** sid3windr has a 16G SHDC in his camera **

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wagnerrp:

well i mean theres no reason to do raw either, when you have nice compressed image formats

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sid3windr:

I would have had to swap the 4GB cards twice

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sid3windr:

on one afternoon... :)

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sid3windr:

my DSLR does 3 standards of JPG, or Raw, or Raw+Jpeg

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J-e-f-f-A:

That's one drawback of my older camera — only does 'regular' SD — so 2GB is the max card I can use, but hey, that's 1700 pictures at high quality... ;-)

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sid3windr:

no lossless formats

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sid3windr:

(well apart from raw)

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sid3windr:

hmm well 16GB is "only" 1500 pics on mine ;)

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sid3windr:

or 1200

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sid3windr:

(raw+jpg)

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sid3windr:

16GB isn't that expensive on dealextreme either btw, $18 with free shipping

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wagnerrp:

yeah, im seeing $30-$40 common on newegg

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wagnerrp:

about the same $/GB as the 4GB cards are

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J-e-f-f-A:

My local Micro Center has good prices on flash memory... That's where I've bought most of my stuff lately. ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Memorial Drive?

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J-e-f-f-A:

iamlindoro: Yep. ;-)

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iamlindoro:

Used to live about two minutes from that one

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iamlindoro:

They are pretty decent

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J-e-f-f-A:

I'm like 25 mins from there, but drive right past it every week going to our datacenter in Boston for tape swaps. ;-)

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iamlindoro:

I may actually have picked up some of the parts for my first mythbox there (back when the "WinTV" (without any other name) was the new sexy)

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wagnerrp:

looks like someone understand the need for good backups, unlike a certain flight sim fansite

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gbee!n=gbee@cpc1-derb9-0-0-cust229.leic.cable.ntl.com changes topic to .:. Welcome to the official user-to-user support channel. .:. http://mythtv.org/ .:. Latest stable release: 0.21 .:. Channel FAQ at http://mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/IRC .:. MythTV Wiki http://mythtv.org/wiki/ .:. Use http://mythtv.pastebin.ca/ .:. US/Canada Listings: http://schedulesdirect.org/ .:.

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gbee:

meh, lag

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wagnerrp:

whats the change?

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gbee:

mythtv.pastebin.ca

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gbee:

might change it back, not sure we want the riff-raff using it

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wagnerrp:

why the custom subdomain?

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wagnerrp:

it specially logged on beirdo or something?

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gbee:

means that the recent posts just contain mythtv related posts, makes digging up old ones easier

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gbee:

+ archives

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wagnerrp:

ah

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denos:

I've got a mythtv setup being fed direct data streams from a cable box via firewire. I've noticed that hour long recordings (according to the guide) end up being 49–57 minutes long. The whole show is there but somewhere it will skip the missing minutes. It only happens on HD channels. Any suggestions?

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denos:

skip=garbled skip within the video. Happens at random locations.

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wagnerrp:

denos: there is an issue where some providers 'skip' frames, causing a hour long recording to be ~51 minutes

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wagnerrp:

the result is slightly sped up playback

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wagnerrp:

however your issue seems to be one of signal quality

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wagnerrp:

youre actually dropping sections of video

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wagnerrp:

either that or your firewire connection is unstable

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denos:

wagnerrp: Ok. Maybe I'll try watching a recording live and see if the skips are in the source feed (signal quality) or only in the recording. There have been a few complaints about HD signal quality with my provider so that fits.

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denos:

wagnerrp: (thanks!)

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iamlindoro:

http://www.aintitcool.com/node/41091

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iamlindoro:

!!!!

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iamlindoro:

sphery, mkrufky, ^^

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mkrufky:

ha!

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mkrufky:

did you hear about the unrelated to current storyline episodes due to come out in a few weeks?

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iamlindoro:

Epitaph one? Yes, have known about that for months

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cponce123:

hello

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cponce123:

i'm building a new computer and i want to have pvr option. Does any one have a good recommendation for a tv tuner card?

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RyeBrye:

I hope Alpha doesn't become like The Penguin or something – it felt a little cheesy how he just slipped away at the end of the finale

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wagnerrp:

analog or digital?

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cponce123:

digital

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RyeBrye:

cable or OTA?

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cponce123:

i have direct tv hd

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cponce123:

cable

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wagnerrp:

direct tv != cable

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RyeBrye:

DirecTV HD will require you to use an analog capture – the HD-PVR, which is currently in development

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RyeBrye:

or rather, the support for it is in development

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wagnerrp:

are you looking for general advice? or advice related to linux/mythtv?

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cponce123:

general advice at this point

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wagnerrp:

so... windows

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cponce123:

windows

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cponce123:

i've tried linux, i like, my wife doesn't understand and she demands windows

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cponce123:

soo....

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cponce123:

yeah

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wagnerrp:

you might want to check out the engadgethd post about DIY cablecard tuners

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, for directtv and digital cable, youre pretty much going to need analog capture

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wagnerrp:

check out silicondust.com to see what you might get over digital cable unencrypted (standard QAM tuner, rather than cablecard)

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iamlindoro:

DirectTV is not cable

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wagnerrp:

yeah, but he said both

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wagnerrp:

im taking him at his word

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cponce123:

that work

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cponce123:

s

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iamlindoro:

(and not capturable digitally either)

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wagnerrp:

i thought you grabbed some with a dvb-s card

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iamlindoro:

Ugh, lag

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iamlindoro:

My directTV is not cable came in several minutes after I wrote it, sigh

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iamlindoro:

and DirectTV isn't DVB-S either

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iamlindoro:

It's DSS

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cponce123:

so pretty much what i need is an analog capture card to capture whatever signal my direct tv box is throwing?

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wagnerrp:

yes

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sphery:

iamlindoro: nice... hope it's not just an empty rumor

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cponce123:

do you have any recommendations?

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cponce123:

nevermind

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cponce123:

i found a collection

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sphery:

hauppauge hardware encoders ftw

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sphery:

PVR-x50/500 or HVR-1600

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wagnerrp:

1600/1800/2250

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sphery:

might be some others that work, too

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wagnerrp:

if you want to pick up broadcast digital

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wagnerrp:

otherwise, just get an old 150/500 off ebay

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cponce123:

i see

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wagnerrp:

or if you dont actually want PVR functionality, and just want to be able to watch tv live... grab any cheapo framegrabber

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cponce123:

i want pvr functionality

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cponce123:

pretty much, i can set my direct tv box to autotune for a channel, and at whatever that time, i want my computer to record that signal

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wagnerrp:

theres what we call an 'ir blaster', which is a little ir transmitter that you tape to the receiver on the DTV box

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wagnerrp:

and it allows the recording program to change the channel on the receiver for you

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cponce123:

nice

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J-e-f-f-A:

cponce123: Yeah, you don't change channels 'manually' on the Dtv box anymore – you hide the remote and control it via MythTV only.

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wagnerrp:

all of those hauppauge cards come with one, whether built in, or with the bundled MCE remote

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cponce123:

thank you

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GriffithLea:

I am not getting any sound in MythMusic

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GriffithLea:

BTW, I am new at IRC. Let me post the whole story in a second.

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GriffithLea:

Sound in MythDVD works fine. Using mplayer, I can play iso's of DVD's as well flac/mp3, all ripped by MythTV, and I get sound. But, when I try to play music in MythMusic, I get no sound. I get this message: Unable to get period size for playback: Invalid argument Can anyone help?

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|chiz|:

has anyone got the mythtv plugin for totem to work in gentoo?

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toma:

hi, on playback my sound slowly gets out of sync with the picture. Going back to the menu and resuming the playback fixes it. Any ideas how to solve this?

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EvilBob:

toma: there is an audio sync option in my OSD Menu

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toma:

EvilBob: sure, but i just want it to work ok, not that i need to adjust it half way during the program

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EvilBob:

toma: no idea, Just passing on what I saw.

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toma:

thanks!

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android6011:

how can i see what the mythtv mysql password is?

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android6011:

im trying to set up a remote frontend

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iamlindoro:

~/.mythtv/mysql.txt or ~/.mythtv/config.xml

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clever:

read the config file in ~/.mythtv/ on the existing system

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clever:

yeah those

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android6011:

ok thanks

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