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Thursday, May 14th, 2009, 00:03 UTC

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mzb:

kormoc: suggested addition for ical upcoming.php:

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mzb:

$event->setProperty('location', $show->channel->callsign);

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mzb:

(works for me;))

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kormoc:

mzb, toss it in a ticket :)

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mzb:

k

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mzb:

kormoc: what you need? => http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/ticket/6549

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kormoc:

Aye

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mzb:

cool

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mzb:

it's such a shame that there aren't shared calendars on a nokia phone ;))

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mzb:

ah well

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kormoc:

I should toss on a RSS feed of the search sometime as well

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kormoc:

imagine getting RSS hits for when a new show you searched for is on

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mzb:

thought about the possibility of using a cron job to import the rss and/or ical info into horde, but it turns out their example script imports in bulk

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mzb:

this means that a second run will fail on the _first_ duplicate, rather than updating add/changed items

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jdblack_:

Woot. That was my problem. Crappy kernel module

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clever:

yay, mythfilldb screwed things up again!

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clever:

it locked half the tables in the db and went to bed

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clever:

not even a simple select on the jobqueue could finish until i killed it

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jdblack_:

So I'm going to have to make a .lircrc file to control myth, eh?

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Dagmar:

Probably not if you Google around for someone else's for the same remote

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GreyFoxx:

the telepathic module isn't finished yet

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Dagmar:

...or if you use a programmable remote you can tell to behave like one you have a working config for (easiest way)

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jdblack_:

some mce2 remote. Should be a good one out there somewhere.

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jdblack_:

emotes things like Right mceusb and Home mceusb

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jdblack_:

pardon, emits.

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jdblack_:

Ahh, here's one right here

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cornell:

Hi Dagmar... I got most of my problems worked out. Still working on the remote and keyboard. And, something funny... the master's recording digital from the hdhomerun, except for Harpers Inn (or Island).... It seems to be recording them, but the files are empty :-(

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jdblack_:

Though some of the instructions are a bit disturbing. "don't forget to make it executeable ... chmod 777 runmyth"

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Pontiac:

Is this the chan where I ask about configuring MythTV or is it the other chan? heh

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opello:

Pontiac: sounds like this channel :)

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Pontiac:

Last night I successfully managed to get my tuner to record the video portion of a television show. However, audio does not work....

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Pontiac:

But when the scheduler does start up and start recording, I can hear the audio coming out of the speakers.

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Pontiac:

How do I configure Myth to use the sound cards aux instead of the tuners audio?

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Pontiac:

That would be aux-in.

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Pontiac:

Hmm..

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Pontiac:

hmm.. aumix MIGHT do it. Gotta tell it which device to record.

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Pontiac:

Problem is, I don't know if its LINE or LINE1...

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Pontiac:

Back in about 30. {chuckle}

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Pontiac:

Gotta reboot this mofo anyways. One of my HDDs is on the fritz. :/

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** jdblack_ cries in joy **

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jdblack_:

just some tuning for the aspect ratio and speed adjust...

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jdblack_:

oh, and maybe use that irblaster to adjust the tv volume and tv power.

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poodyp:

has anyone here tried the HVR-2250 drivers yet?

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cornell:

Ok, I've used irw and checked each button on the remote... they're scans correspond to the info in /etc/lircd.conf (for the hauppage_350 section)

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cornell:

Well, TTFN

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jdblack_:

hrmmm

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jdblack_:

And the remote stopped working.

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Jupp:

I've set up two user jobs (both I trigger manually form mythweb), the first one executes fine, but if I try to run the second one the jobs sits in the queue indefinitely. How do I make it go?

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Pontiac:

I think I've found a bug in MythWeb. When I was just getting my tuner working, I was recording a couple of random sample shows. When I'm in MythWeb and looking at Recorded Programs, I can hit the DELETE button and the 2 shows that are listed disappear of the screen, but when I hit RECORDED PROGRAMS again, the two show up.

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Pontiac:

What gives?

[02:38:30]

Dagmar:

incorrect setup

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Pontiac:

So how do I correct the setup?

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Dagmar:

Double-check what you did when you set it up.

[02:39:04]

Dagmar:

i.e., "read the documentation"

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Pontiac:

I love to RTFM. Thing is, from what I have read it tells ya how to use it, not what happens when it breaks. :P I'll go over the configs yet again.

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Dagmar:

Then you didn't actually read the documentation for setting up MythWeb is what your'e saying

[02:41:02]

Pontiac:

Yes, I did read it. I just can't figure out why when I hit DELETE, it doesn't exactly DELETE. Maybe I missed something, I dunno.

[02:42:21]

jdblack_:

Aha. eeepc has really, really, super crappy usb ports.

[02:42:56]

tank-man:

why are they crappy?

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jdblack_:

because they don't provide enough power to drive either a mce remote sensor, or a usb 2.0 hub, either combined or seperate.

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Dagmar:

So basically, they're unpowered USB ports?

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Dagmar:

That is actually kinda crappy

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Dagmar:

Good luck to anyone trying to use one with a thumb drive, eh?

[02:48:35]

Dagmar:

Pontiac: Lemme make it more obvious for you. Who owns the recordings

[02:49:25]

Pontiac:

Attempting to locate the videos to find that out.

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Pontiac:

Which means attempting to locate the config somewhere in the UI of either MythWeb or the GUI setup.

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Pontiac:

<- Newb.

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Pontiac:

Well.. To myth anyways.

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Pontiac:

Whats that paste site you guys use?

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Pontiac:

pastebin.ca

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jdblack_:

never mind. I take that back. I think it's a bad usb driver for it.

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jdblack_:

unplug and replug the remote sensor enough times, it works. the usb2.0 hub i have works fine in 2 usb ports, and not at all in the third. randomness.

[02:53:08]

Pontiac:

http://pastebin.ca/1422296

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Pontiac:

There are no recordings in that directory.

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thedarkone:

i get error on 0.22 MythTV has not been compiled with Pulse Audio disabling support. EXITING!.. what did i do wrong

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Dagmar:

1. You built a non-existant version

[03:00:16]

Dagmar:

2. You build TRUNK without being an actual developer.

[03:00:31]

Dagmar:

3. You built something from source without paying attention to what you're doing.

[03:00:44]

Dagmar:

4. You did not download and build 0.21-fixes

[03:00:47]

Dagmar:

Take your pick.

[03:01:25]

thedarkone:

so trunk don't support pulse audio yet

[03:01:26]

Dagmar:

Unless you have a tuner card that is only suppported in trunk, don't build that version.

[03:01:50]

Dagmar:

I would think from the message it gave you that it actually does

[03:02:01]

Dagmar:

I'm dead serious tho.

[03:02:06]

Dagmar:

Don't build trunk.

[03:02:09]

Dagmar:

Build 0.21-fixes.

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kormoc:

thedarkone, who ever said it would ever support pulse?

[03:02:43]

Dagmar:

Trunk will just bring you pain and make everyone you pester into helping you build something that doesn't really help anyone make them not like you

[03:02:50]

wagnerrp:

fantastic, i think i may have blown out my headphones

[03:03:17]

Dagmar:

wagnerrp: Ooo.... Ooo! I know some replacements you can get

[03:04:10]

Dagmar:

Wired.com has some cool ones for a mere $1100

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wagnerrp:

they just have that vibrating noise like the cone is loose at higher volumes

[03:05:17]

wagnerrp:

and... thats about an order of magnitude beyond my price range

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Pontiac:

Sure its not just some loose marbles? {smirk}

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wagnerrp:

there is a cobweb in my headphones

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wagnerrp:

well trying to open those things up was a singularly poor move

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wagnerrp:

apparently there were tiny exposed wire traces going from the board into the driver

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wagnerrp:

and opening the headphones cut those traces, destroying the headphones

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: just solder some some wires to the traces, and viola, fixed.

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wagnerrp:

not a trace, but the coil wire

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wagnerrp:

it was exposed over the edge of the driver

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wagnerrp:

and got damaged

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wagnerrp:

theres no repairing that

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Lexridge:

oh, well that's certainly different. :)

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Lexridge:

no, not easily.

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wagnerrp:

its like 40-gauge wire or something ridiculous

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poodyp:

just use some baling wire to fix it up

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Lexridge:

lol

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Lexridge:

I have trashed countless headphones. They are just so damn fragile!

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wagnerrp:

hmm.... refurb headphones... half price

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Lexridge:

My best pair, dunno the make and model anymore, were left in my truck at 0 degree temps, and when I took them out and put them on shortly thereafter, the headband just snapped!

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wagnerrp:

not too keen on inheriting someone elses head grease

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Lexridge:

wagnerrp: agreed!

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Lexridge:

oh crap!! Just finished watching Lost!! Next season should be very interesting indeed!!!!

[04:32:31]

iamlindoro:

SILENCE

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Lexridge:

Don't worry, I won't tell spoilers :)

[04:35:05]

wagnerrp:

John gets killed by Sawyer

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Dagmar:

What's to tell THEY DIDN'T RESOLVE ANYTHING

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Dagmar:

I predict less than a week before the first incident of public violence against a writer from LOST.

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iamlindoro:

I see it's dickface night in channel, minimize it is

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** wagnerrp has never seen any of Lost, and is randomly throwing out actions done by character names found on IMDB **

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Dagmar:

heh

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kormoc:

wagnerrp, the problem is, that's what the writers do

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wagnerrp:

so any recommendations for a ~$75 pair of headphones? im probably just going to grab a pair of HD485s

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Lexridge:

I have never been unhappy with Sennheisers. :)

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wagnerrp:

the pair i just broke were 465s

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wagnerrp:

the 485s are pretty much identical, but circumaural, rather than supraaural

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Lexridge:

I am currently using the 280s, which I love

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wagnerrp:

i prefer something open

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wagnerrp:

i couldnt hear a thing once i put my old closed AIWAs on

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Lexridge:

I need the closed since I use them for recording when other musicians are in the room.

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wagnerrp:

although im sure thats the point

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Lexridge:

The ambient noise is incredible without closed while recording

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Lexridge:

however, I prefer the open design for general listening.

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Lexridge:

I have been wanting to try out some of the noise canceling designs, but have not had the opportunity. Just too damn busy, and since Circuit City is gone, oh well.

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wagnerrp:

i bought a pair a couple years ago, never liked them

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wagnerrp:

they worked, but they added an annoying bit of 'white noise'

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Lexridge:

humm, I've not heard of the white noise issue before. Interesting. If you can hear the cancellation process, then it's basically worthless imo. It totally defeats the purpose.

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wagnerrp:

well it was very low, maybe 15db

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Lexridge:

well, a 60hz humm, even at 15db would be annoying too.

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wagnerrp:

but thats a mains hum, this was just background noise

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Lexridge:

I have developed a 60hz humm in my system, after moving my tower components into a rack case, and also racking all my gear into the same rack. It does not record, but I hear it in the monitoring and I have spent numerious hours trying to isolate it to no avail. Agh!

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Lexridge:

I'm beginning to suspect the db44 connector on the delta 1010

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thedarkone:

hey all i compiled .21 fixes and i can't seem to get rid of mouse pointer on mythfrontend

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wagnerrp:

its in the frontend options

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thedarkone:

wagnerro when i compile it

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thedarkone:

i mean configure

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wagnerrp:

wootoff...

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k-man:

i just went to cebit australia

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k-man:

there was quite a few embeded and SBC distributors there but none of them had any boards with HDMI output

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k-man:

actually, one did, but it was very expensive AU$550 excluding cpu

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frogonwheels:

k-man: I actually got an Asus uatx board for a friend, that just happened to have HDMI output. I would actually like to get back on to it to see if linux actually works with it!

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k-man:

frogonwheels: sounds interesting

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frogonwheels:

I mean linux _does_ work on the m/board – but didn't try hdmi

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frogonwheels:

I can't actually remember now which one it was!

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frogonwheels:

it was an AMD m/board – I thin kthe M4A78-E or variant

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frogonwheels:

AUD 215 – not bad

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k-man:

thats not bad at all

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frogonwheels:

http://au.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2& . . . 881&l4=0

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k-man:

oh, its ATI

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frogonwheels:

hmm..

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k-man:

i think i'd want an nvidia board to do VDPAU

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k-man:

anyway, gotta run

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frogonwheels:

yeah -maybe it was a different one 'cause I thought it was nvidia

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RaftaMan:

hi, it seems that i'm lacking some font package on my centos box. mythtv-setup only shows sqares. is there any specific x11-font package i should install?

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jya:

hi there...

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cecco:

hi all

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Girkers:

I am having some issues with symlinks, can anyone help me?

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cecco:

i have issue with a asus p7131 dual... i get channel lock in kaffeine but in mythtv i get "partial lock" ber 65356 and no signal... anyone know how to convert channels.dvb (kaffeine) to channels.conf for a dvb-t?

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Girkers:

Cecco I can't help you directly with your problem but could I ask, have you done a channel scan recently (through MythTV)and if so how did it go?

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cecco:

i tried a lot of scan types. I have done mythsetup scan but i got only few channels (i think i get only one lock on a multiplex carrying 6 channels)

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cecco:

i have used scan from dvb-utils and w_scan and both give me a lot of channles

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cecco:

i have a working settop box decoder working with my tv

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cecco:

if i try to watch tv with kaffeine everything is ok

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cecco:

with mythtvfrontend i got channel lock only the first time, after i get only "no lock" or "partial lock" with video/audio

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cecco:

it seems to me mythtv is less sensible than kaffeine

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cecco:

later when i go home i'll try to tune mythtv manual

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Girkers:

try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=668519

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cecco:

thanks, but i have tried w_scan as suggested in your link, but if i try the channels.conf generated in mythtv-setup scan using channles.conf i got no channels lock (and the scan finish very soon)

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Jupp:

I've set up two user jobs (both I trigger manually form mythweb), the first one executes fine, but if I try to run the second one the jobs sits in the queue indefinitely. How do I make it go?

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Essobi:

Howdy all.

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cecco:

bye

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cecco:

\leave

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Essobi:

heh

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Essobi:

how's everybody this morn..

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** laga twitches **

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laga:

and you?

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jduggan:

heh

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Essobi:

laga: TFMC?

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laga:

Essobi: which expands to..?

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Essobi:

laga: Too .... much caffiene

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laga:

haha

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laga:

not yet.. still working on that

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Essobi:

laga: Ditto.

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Jupp:

I have two user jobs set to run manually but only the first one starts right away, the second one gets queued and stays there. any help is greatly appreciated

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gbee:

so ... no-one is distributing binaries for Windows? Seems strange when you think about it that no-one has bothered with it yet

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cipher42:

anybody have a hauppauge 1800 working for analog in jaunty?

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iamlindoro:

You can't use the HVR-1800's analog with MythTV at the moment

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cipher42:

yea that's what i'm experiencing..

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cipher42:

it freezes the frontend?

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iamlindoro:

It has a known driver bug, but no, it should not freeze the frontend

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iamlindoro:

anyway, give up on the 1800 and myth at the moment

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cipher42:

green and purple stripes?

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iamlindoro:

no

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cipher42:

what should it do?

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iamlindoro:

Not respond to ioctls

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cipher42:

so it should show some channel?

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cipher42:

i also have an old leadtek tuner card but when i try to change channels it freezes the backend

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cipher42:

uses cd8800 driver

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cipher42:

*cx

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[19:59:55]

wagnerrp:

why are people on the -users group trying to get an IR blaster working with their DTAs?

[20:05:29]

squidly:

wagnerrp: DTA?

[20:06:05]

clever:

how would i go about recording a show once daily, but shifting the 'day' window some?

[20:06:45]

clever:

the show airs at 8pm, midnight, 10am and 1pm

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[20:07:04]

clever:

telling it to record once daily may get the 8pm and the 10am (on seperate days) and wind up with duplicates

[20:07:14]

wagnerrp:

digital transport adaptor

[20:07:30]

wagnerrp:

its basically a clearqam tuner that Comcast is handing out for $1/mo

[20:07:48]

squidly:

ahh

[20:07:50]

squidly:

okies

[20:08:07]

meshe:

why wouldn't they try to get blasters working for it?

[20:08:25]

wagnerrp:

there have been several very lengthy threads about how to get analog cards and IR blasters working on it

[20:08:34]

wagnerrp:

BECAUSE IT TUNES CLEARQAM

[20:08:40]

wagnerrp:

just get a digital tuner and be done with it

[20:09:12]

squidly:

wagnerrp: that is what I'm going to be doing!

[20:09:13]

clever:

wagnerrp: any idea on my scheduling problem?

[20:09:14]

meshe:

ahhh

[20:09:46]

wagnerrp:

the duplicate checker doesnt take care of that?

[20:09:51]

meshe:

clever: you should only have that issue once if you set the rule up after 10AM, after that it will grab the 10AM showing every day

[20:10:14]

meshe:

and yeah, as wagnerrp said, it will check for dups before recording

[20:10:26]

clever:

meshe: its all generic subtitle's

[20:10:31]

clever:

it cant do any duplicate checking

[20:10:45]

meshe:

then what i said first will apply :)

[20:11:12]

wagnerrp:

yeah... you dont *need* to have your schedules so relaxed

[20:11:19]

wagnerrp:

are you otherwise recording something else at 10am?

[20:11:30]

clever:

10am is the worst slot

[20:11:38]

clever:

because thats the final time it reairs

[20:11:49]

clever:

if the ir blaster screws up, i have no 2nd chance to get it

[20:11:54]

wagnerrp:

not 1pm?

[20:12:01]

clever:

oops, yeah 1pm is the last

[20:12:11]

wagnerrp:

so record at midnight

[20:12:14]

clever:

but i ddnt notice i had another hour of a 4 year olds show, until 5pm

[20:12:29]

clever:

midnight has conflicts with some shows

[20:12:39]

wagnerrp:

more tuners?

[20:12:54]

clever:

it could reschedule the show to another slot on those days

[20:13:02]

clever:

but its a pain to have to manualy do that for every conflict

[20:13:31]

gbee:

doesn't SD have program ids rendering subtitle matching irrelevant?

[20:13:48]

clever:

gbee: and the id is also generic, so its useless

[20:14:15]

clever:

SH005354500000

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[20:14:37]

clever:

originalairdate 2002-09–30

[20:14:49]

sphery:

gbee: yes, the SD programid's are in >90% (nearly all) program entries, and whenever 2 programs are compared and both have programid's, title/subtitle/description are irrelevant

[20:14:49]

clever:

thats a new episode from this year, not from 2002

[20:15:23]

gbee:

http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings/ZCPro . . . &chn=130

[20:15:25]

sphery:

though genneric episodes are always recorded (unless you explicitly disallow generics)

[20:15:51]

clever:

sphery: 95% of the episodes that air are generic

[20:16:02]

meshe:

record one each day will catch only one generic per day though right?

[20:16:14]

gbee:

hmm, some people are still putting their mythweb installs on public facing servers

[20:16:16]

wagnerrp:

the problem is that the shows go over the day limit

[20:16:26]

clever:

meshe: it reairs the next day, so it may record the 8pm and the 10am slot(on different days) and get duplicates

[20:16:37]

clever:

then it may get the 8pm for the next day, and miss an episode

[20:16:58]

meshe:

no, it will record the first one of each day

[20:17:13]

clever:

meshe: enless something else comes up in that slot and pushes it to record later

[20:17:17]

wagnerrp:

assuming no conflicts

[20:17:21]

clever:

wagnerrp: exactly

[20:17:24]

wagnerrp:

at which point it will push to 1pm

[20:17:29]

wagnerrp:

and grab the last showing

[20:17:37]

clever:

and 1pm of that day, != 8pm of the same day

[20:17:38]

sphery:

gbee: I know of a couple of people who have scheduled 1-minute recordings at a time when those Myth systems with public-facing MythWeb servers weren't busy and given them titles like, "Your MythWeb is open to the Internet. Please secure it."

[20:17:50]

sphery:

clever: what show

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[20:17:57]

clever:

sphery: daily planet

[20:18:19]

sphery:

did you check the bjm The Daily Show post?

[20:18:24]

clever:

sphery: thats better then mass deleting it

[20:18:33]

clever:

sphery: dont see it

[20:18:42]

sphery:

http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/mythtv/users/153872#153872

[20:19:17]

sphery:

basically, you don't want a Find and record once per day, even though you think you do

[20:19:43]

clever:

i want to add X hours to the starttime, before it extracts the day from it

[20:19:53]

clever:

to shift it, back to the original timezone

[20:19:54]

** sphery wonders if all shows with "Daily" in their title are difficult to schedule... **

[20:20:19]

clever:

date(starttime + interval 5 hours) basicaly

[20:20:23]

wagnerrp:

my daily show comes with program ids and subtitles

[20:20:27]

sphery:

clever: did you read that post

[20:20:36]

clever:

then the 'date' for every reair of a single episode would match

[20:20:42]

clever:

sphery: i was reading it until you asked a question

[20:20:46]

sphery:

it gives /exactly/ what you want as a framework, then just add your MySQL Date math

[20:20:59]

clever:

ah

[20:21:10]

clever:

yeah i just scrolled down to that

[20:21:21]

sphery:

just making sure you saw it :)

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[20:22:11]

clever:

so where would i edit the rule to insert my own sql?

[20:25:41]

sphery:

in mythfrontend's custom recording rule editor

[20:30:40]

clever:

going to clear out every conflict first, so i can see how many the new rule creates

[20:34:37]

wagnerrp:

kill -USR1 causes dd to report status doesnt it?

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clever:

should say so in the man page

[20:34:54]

clever:

sounds right

[20:35:44]

wagnerrp:

oof... 1MB/s to the CF card

[20:35:48]

wagnerrp:

i should be doing 10x that

[20:36:00]

wagnerrp:

i wonder if im connected through USB1.1 somehow

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[20:39:22]

sphery:

wagnerrp: or you can use rsync, which will provide nice status/progress info :)

[20:39:54]

sphery:

I've been having a love affair with rsync since the last time I moved 1TB of recordings from disk to disk (clearing a disk to update its firmware)

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[20:40:49]

wagnerrp:

9MB/s... thats better

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[20:41:39]

clever:

i sometimes use 'iostat -x 5' to see how loaded a disk it

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clever:

nothing is under any real load atm:)

[20:42:50]

sphery:

heh... upcoming pilot episode of The Goode Family: Helen is upset when Bliss joins an abstinence group; Ubuntu wants to get his driver's license. (HDTV, CC, Stereo)

[20:43:10]

sphery:

I think I'd trust Ubuntu to drive more than I'd trust ***dows.

[20:43:29]

clever:

just make shure ubuntu doesnt start drinking wine

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[20:43:51]

luker:

Hi there. I changed a channel's frequency in MythTV Setup Channel Editor. But the channel continues to show the same station as ever.

[20:44:23]

luker:

How's the correct procedure to tune a channel that was missed by the Channel Scanner?

[20:45:10]

sphery:

luker: what type of TV?

[20:45:13]

sphery:

DVB-S?

[20:45:35]

luker:

No, it's an analog WinTV Radio

[20:45:43]

sphery:

you changed the freqid?

[20:46:03]

sphery:

the channel number is completely unrelated to frequency

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sphery:

(technically, the freqid isn't necessarily frequency, either, but some unique identifier used to determine the appropriate means of tuning the channel--generally, though, it's the frequency in kHz or the frequency's ID by channel number according to the specified frequency table)

[20:47:09]

luker:

I changed the "Frequency or Channel" in Channel Editor.

[20:47:59]

clever:

sphery: i'm in the editor now, but just noticed, how would i compare it with other airings

[20:48:14]

clever:

i basicaly want to record one per day, from its original timezone

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clever:

but the sql looks like its just made to match a couple timeslots at once

[20:48:51]

clever:

and record all of them

[20:49:52]

clever:

also, i cant type 0 and 2 came up with a cellphone like keyboard

[20:50:24]

clever:

found 0 under 9, but its still anoying to have to use the ps2 keyboard like a cellphone

[20:51:43]

sphery:

I thought you were in trunk?

[20:51:47]

clever:

i am

[20:52:00]

sphery:

OK... Guess that screen's not yet ported to mythui

[20:52:03]

clever:

MythTV Version : 20184M

[20:52:05]

sphery:

think there's a patch for it

[20:52:23]

clever:

its ~4 months old now i think

[20:52:33]

clever:

but the custom rule is also comming up as invalid sql

[20:52:36]

clever:

No error type from QSqlError? Strange...

[20:52:44]

clever:

error with no error message

[20:52:46]

sphery:

about the SQL, I don't know what exactly you'd want to use... I'm pretty sure you can make it work, but you'll have to consult trial and error.

[20:53:20]

luker:

sphery: So "Frequency or Channel" doesn't really mean frequency.

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sphery:

or you could send an e-mail to the list and it may even wake bjm from his slumber and get a comment from the custom-recording-rule horse's mouth

[20:53:28]

clever:

ERROR 1052 (23000): Column 'starttime' in where clause is ambiguous

[20:53:30]

clever:

ahh

[20:53:40]

clever:

mythfrontend fails at extracting error messages

[20:53:45]

sphery:

luker: looking for that right now, but it's not the words you're using

[20:53:56]

luker:

Where can I use the frequency to get the channel to tune to the desired station?

[20:54:08]

clever:

sphery: also, half the fields need tab to escape, and others need down arrow

[20:54:18]

clever:

i keep changing the values in half of them, and inserting tabs in the others

[20:55:01]

sphery:

clever: all that will change after its ported

[20:55:15]

clever:

yeah

[20:55:35]

sphery:

that's actually why all the work is going into the port--because the old UI is a big ball of multiple different styles stuck on top of each other

[20:56:08]

sphery:

luker: you really need to set the freqid (which is on page 2 of the channel editor in mythfrontend and also easily visible in mythweb's channel editor)

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clever:

sphery: ive got it showing the right shows when i do test, but they still show as 'not recording'

[20:57:06]

luker:

sphery: yes. I set it to 196250. That should be the correct frequency in kHz

[20:57:13]

clever:

ah

[20:57:21]

clever:

i hit record, and then set a normal rule on it

[20:57:52]

clever:

lets see what it schedules

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sphery:

luker: ok, "Frequency or Channel" is the setting to change. If you change that, it will tune that channel--assuming you're using RF-modulated input (i.e. not S-Video/Composite).

[20:59:24]

sphery:

note, also, you need to ensure that Finetune (kHz) is 0

[21:00:23]

javatexan:

this might be off subject a little...but I am trying to find a C++ IDE for linux (I've been using emacs/vi and terminal). I am teaching a c++ class at the local college and they will want an IDE I am sure. Any favorites out there?

[21:00:25]

clever:

sphery: so far, ive just recreated a timeslot rule, and made 16 conflicts

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luker:

Frequency is set, Finetune is 0. What to do next?

[21:02:25]

sphery:

what's it do when you try to tune the channel?

[21:02:36]

sphery:

and, btw, you're restarting the backend after all these changes, right?

[21:02:43]

sphery:

(can't edit channels without restarting backend)

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luker:

First restart the backend or first run mythfilldatabase?

[21:04:11]

sphery:

shouldn't need mythfilldatabase to tune the channel

[21:04:49]

sphery:

luker: I should have asked long ago, too--you're not in the US, are you?

[21:04:54]

luker:

But MythTV-Setup reminds of doing so

[21:04:56]

sphery:

if so, you're doing everything completely wrong. ;)

[21:05:04]

luker:

No, I'm in Germany.

[21:05:14]

luker:

*g*

[21:05:18]

sphery:

OK. I think analog channel scans are actually required in Germany

[21:05:44]

luker:

Yes, and it detected nearly every channel I want to watch.

[21:05:45]

sphery:

the mythfilldatabase warning is really only something you should do the first time you define a new channel

[21:06:00]

sphery:

so if you're just changing existing channels, don't run it

[21:06:05]

luker:

Except for the station showing Simpsons and Futurama.

[21:06:06]

sphery:

(unless you change xmltvid's)

[21:06:18]

sphery:

ahhh... that's an important one to have.

[21:06:33]

sphery:

So, just restart the backend, then try tuning

[21:06:38]

sphery:

and what happens?

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luker:

You mean, run the Channel Scanner again?

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sphery:

no, just go into Watch TV and try to switch to that channel

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sphery:

if you've defined the frequency, already, you don't need to scan it (since it's analog)

[21:09:06]

luker:

That's what I thought, but it doesn't work.

[21:10:20]

billy-jon:

can someone please help me with some sound issues while watching live tv? I have my line-in muted and can hear sound, but its really distorted, like an underpowred speaker kind of noise. when i listen to the line-in channel instead, it sounds fine (but there is a delay)

[21:10:44]

billy-jon:

i also have to turn the volume on my speaker louder than i think i should have to

[21:13:31]

grourk:

can someone help me figure out the stce65scan program? i ran it, csplit the output into different files based on VCT_ID, and have no idea where to go from there. i don't know which VCT_ID is mine. or how to import this into MythTV, since normally i just use mythtv-setup to scan for channels.

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sphery:

luker: still waiting for a description of what it does/how it fails to work

[21:15:31]

luker:

sphery: The channels E7 and E8 are both tuned to the german ARD

[21:15:51]

luker:

Even though E8 should now be Pro7

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luker:

I can even set the frequency to something nonsense. It won't show noise but stay on it's ARD channel.

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sphery:

luker: according to the freq tables, E7 is 189250kHz and E8 is 196250 --you're setting one (I assume E8) to 196250, which means your actions would have no effect

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sphery:

i.e. it's still tuning the same freq

[21:19:23]

sphery:

so, if E8 should be Pro7, what's Pro7?

[21:19:44]

sphery:

do you just mean that when tuning both E7 and E8, you see the same content (i.e. the same signal is actually received)?

[21:19:53]

sphery:

and you're missing a channel

[21:20:21]

sphery:

if so, I'd tend to look at the tuner definition/tuner module choice--sounds like a tuner with some bad ranges specified

[21:22:32]

luker:

Ok, that will take a moment.

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sphery:

oh, and that was assuming that you actually specified E7 and E8 for freqid and/or you had different frequencies in there (i.e. 189250kHz and 196250kHz)

[21:24:11]

sphery:

i.e. if Myth is telling it to tune different channels and its getting the same one, it's likely a driver problem

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jamiem:

2.6.29 is show new kernel DVB thingies

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jamiem:

s/show/showing/

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jamiem:

nothing ahead of mercurial I suppose

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iamlindoro:

The kernel stuff will always lag behind v4l-dvb

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billy-jon:

anyone?

[21:48:44]

** jamiem wants a Lightscribe drive **

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kormoc:

you have that much free time?

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jamiem:

wait: can you use any CD/DVD-R drive?

[21:51:02]

iamlindoro:

No, it needs to be a specific lightscribe drive

[21:51:09]

jamiem:

sucky.

[21:51:13]

jamiem:

and I bet the media is dear

[21:51:20]

iamlindoro:

It's just that they're... silly

[21:51:23]

jamiem:

:)

[21:51:30]

kormoc:

and with a 2.0 LS drive, doing a double burn gets a okay image

[21:51:44]

kormoc:

but it takes 45m to a hour to do a double burn

[21:51:47]

kormoc:

that's a lot of extra time

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jamiem:

wuut

[21:52:00]

sphery:

yeah, but how often do people even take the time to print up a label to stick on their CD's--let alone lay one out then burn it on?

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jamiem:

I colour laser print my labels instead

[21:52:16]

kormoc:

takes me 10 seconds to sharpy them

[21:52:21]

sphery:

I Sharpee my labels

[21:52:34]

jamiem:

I have one in front of me so I'm sure it's "Sharpie"

[21:52:34]

sphery:

sharpie

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RyeBrye:

Anyone know why I would have 4 mythtv-backend processes running, with 3 of them using 100% cpu and one using 50% cpu when I have nothing recording, no user jobs running, and nothing else going on?

[21:52:45]

iamlindoro:

Self made media in general is sucky

[21:52:54]

iamlindoro:

I haven't labeled anything in years

[21:53:07]

RyeBrye:

well, mythbackend is the name of each process

[21:53:12]

jamiem:

I used some cheap labels on customers backup disks and they're bubbling and causing for very noisy access

[21:53:18]

sphery:

RyeBrye: preview generation

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iamlindoro:

RyeBrye: Possibly preview generation run amok

[21:53:23]

RyeBrye:

Ah

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iamlindoro:

damn you sphery

[21:53:54]

sphery:

learning the benefits of conciseness

[21:54:07]

sphery:

type less/get my answer above yours

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sphery:

RyeBrye: especially if you have an HD-PVR, the preview-gen processes can get wedged

[21:55:10]

jamiem:

1572864/4324298752 ( 0.0%) @0.3x, remaining 1969:37 RBU 100.0% UBU 94.1%

[21:55:12]

RyeBrye:

I don't have an HD-PVR, but I do have a lot of hd recordings from HDHR ATSC and some of them have errors in places, and I think that causes it to go nuts

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sphery:

yeah, signal issues/stream errors are a bad thing for previews

[21:56:11]

sphery:

(which is the whole reason that the previews are created in a separate process, now--to prevent a bad recording from taking down the whole (real) backend)

[21:58:01]

jamiem:

I'm not sure it was wise to burn DVD over sshfs

[22:00:19]

jamiem:

kormoc: why is mythweb faster over ipv6? :)

[22:00:27]

kormoc:

it's not

[22:00:33]

jamiem:

it feels it

[22:00:41]

jamiem:

must be my latent ipv4 network

[22:00:53]

jamiem:

it's just one hop at any rate

[22:00:58]

** kormoc shrugs **

[22:01:05]

sphery:

hope you have some kind of burnfree for your dvd writer

[22:01:13]

jamiem:

traceroute to asok (192.168.1.75), 30 hops max, 60 byte packets

[22:01:13]

jamiem:

1 asok.jamiem.home (192.168.1.75) 0.104 ms 0.074 ms 0.116 ms

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jamiem:

1 2001:470:921e:0:217:9aff:fe38:adf6 (2001:470:921e:0:217:9aff:fe38:adf6) 0.476 ms 0.419 ms 0.371 ms

[22:01:26]

jamiem:

:O longer!

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** jamiem might add output buffering to mythweb **

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jamiem:

my "Default" "All programmes" takes a while to load and makes me worry every time

[22:07:35]

RyeBrye:

are your tables optimized?

[22:07:47]

jamiem:

the occasional ob_flush() might reassure me

[22:07:52]

jamiem:

RyeBrye: good question

[22:07:53]

** jamiem looks **

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RyeBrye:

I usually push the button for optimze tables under the tools there whenever it feels like it is getting sluggish

[22:08:17]

jamiem:

tools?

[22:08:20]

** jamiem fired up phpmyadmin :) **

[22:08:42]

jamiem:

. o O ( latin1_swedish_ci )

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RyeBrye:

jamiem: mythweb/settings

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jamiem:

ja

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RyeBrye:

in there there are buttons for "optimize tables" and "repair tables" etc

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** jamiem 's mythtv box's fans kick in **

[22:11:58]

jamiem:

does this script go through every table and OPTIMIZE TABLE the bad boy?

[22:13:19]

RyeBrye:

I think it deletes every odd row

[22:13:21]

RyeBrye:

;)

[22:13:27]

jamiem:

wuuut! :)

[22:13:36]

meshe:

even

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jamiem:

hmm

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jamiem:

does seem a little faster

[22:14:28]

jamiem:

at some point I'll replace system drive with SSD

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meshe:

/var/lib/mysql on a usb flash drive ;)

[22:15:22]

jamiem:

and use some crazy brtfs 4x duplication virtual raid thing

[22:16:00]

jamiem:

hm

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jamiem:

# du -sh /var/lib/mysql

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jamiem:

261M /var/lib/mysql

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jamiem:

would easily fit on an md with interval writeback :)

[22:16:45]

jamiem:

UPSs R us

[22:17:13]

RyeBrye:

is it hard to set up cross-compiling? my c2q box can compile myth in minutes, but the p4 box takes ages... Just specifying --arch=i686 on the c2q wouldn't be enough to make it generate good binaries for me to copy to the P4 would it?

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jamiem:

RyeBrye: afair cross-compiling works very well

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jamiem:

I was doing 486 / 686

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meshe:

fg

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kormoc:

Arch is easy, 32/64 bit is harder

[22:19:24]

RyeBrye:

yeah, I'd have to have all the 32 bit dev libraries available too, huh

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kormoc:

Aye

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kormoc:

you might as well just install a 32 bit os in a VM and compile in that

[22:20:24]

laga:

chroot?

[22:20:26]

RyeBrye:

hm. not a bad idea

[22:20:32]

laga:

would be faster

[22:21:14]

kormoc:

meh, I just install distcc in VM's on my other boxes and thus get a clustered compile

[22:21:34]

jamiem:

/dev/sda 597G 561G 36G 95% /home/mythtv

[22:21:34]

jamiem:

/dev/sdb 699G 644G 56G 93% /home/mythtv/storage/default/default2

[22:21:39]

jamiem:

God damnit

[22:21:45]

kormoc:

language...

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jamiem:

I add a drive and turn my head for five minutes ......

[22:22:06]

jamiem:

Flying spaghetti monster damnit*

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RyeBrye:

I bet I could start compiling on my p4 box at the same time I start installing a 32-bit OS in a vm, and by the time I get done setting up the vm, downloading the svn trunk, and then compling it – the p4 might be close to done

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** kormoc eyes jamiem **

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jamiem:

...

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RyeBrye:

it's just unreal how much faster a c2q is over a p4 for complinig

[22:23:03]

laga:

kormoc: oh, c'mon. that was funny :)

[22:24:37]

gbee:

I've not used PG for ages, are these screenshots accurate? http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/pg-wide/

[22:24:55]

gbee:

did Justin create PG-wide, or was it a third party effort?

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jamiem:

oh dear me

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jamiem:

"I was just thinking: hmm looks like 'Project Mayhem from XBMC' ..."

[22:28:18]

jamiem:

then my brain went: Grayhem / Mayhem ... tick tock

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gbee:

heh, ok, I was about to say that Freevo ripped off PG, but maybe they both ripped off XBMC

[22:29:47]

gbee:

Freevo: http://geexbox.org/img/freevo-scr-video.png MythTV: http://www.mythtvtalk.com/ProjectGrayhem/pg-wide/images/04.png

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gbee:

I've got to say, I thought Project Greyhem was based off the menus of the game "Project Gotham" ... I would have sworn that was the explanation given by Justin, but maybe I got that mixed up ;)

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gbee:

well see now I'm confused, it does look very similar to the game menus (what screenshots I can actually find)

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kormoc:

so perhaps Justin took it from the game and XBMC/FreeVO took it from him?

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laga:

no, he copied it off the xbmc skin

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kormoc:

Everyone copied everyone else... so where'd the original come from?

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gbee:

the game I suppose :)

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kormoc:

Too simple! I demand entertainment! ;)

[22:40:07]

gbee:

well if you'll allow time travel into the equation, then perhaps the game designers copied Justin

[22:40:15]

gbee:

round and round we go ...

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kormoc:

Yay, there we go!

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jamiem:

crikey

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jamiem:

pkill and pkill -9 didn't work on my frozen mythfrontend

[23:05:05]

jamiem:

xkill got it though :)

[23:05:28]

jamiem:

.... oh, and took the backend with it

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jamiem:

mythtv: could not connect to socket

[23:10:22]

jamiem:

mythtv: No such file or directory

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jamiem:

:(

[23:12:02]

laga:

AFAIK that's a lirc message

[23:12:17]

jamiem:

k thanks :)

[23:13:29]

jamiem:

something here is not well :/

[23:13:40]

jamiem:

I think it's this particular frontend though

[23:15:11]

jamiem:

jamie@dilbert:~$ kill -9 16212 jamie@dilbert:~$ kill -9 16212 jamie@dilbert:~$ pgrep myth 16212

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jamiem:

it won't die!

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gbee:

check for a parent process

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clever:

jamiem: what does it say for it under ps aux|grep myth

[23:23:50]

jamiem:

it has died now :)

[23:23:56]

jamiem:

there wasn't one

[23:23:58]

jamiem:

I checked lsof

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gbee:

put the gun down and step away from the body

[23:24:23]

jamiem:

mythfrontend gets as far as 99% theme scaling then freezes

[23:24:44]

clever:

if its busy core dumping, nothing can kill it

[23:24:56]

clever:

even if the io load is crippling the system and you need it to stop:P

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jamiem:

jamie 17032 0.8 0.5 318932 47876 pts/0 DL+ 00:24 0:00 mythfrontend

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gbee:

check for cores, but generally you want to disable core dumping

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jamiem:

wonder if nvidia is causing problems

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clever:

the D means that its blocked on IO

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clever:

swapping, reading files, maybe core dumping

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jamiem:

that did it :)

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clever:

the D means that its blocked on IO

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clever:

swapping, reading files, maybe core dumping

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jamiem:

that last, I think

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